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Official Trailer: Mouthpeace with Michael and Pele Bennett

Mouthpeace with Michael Bennett & Pele Bennett

02:55 min | 1 year ago

Official Trailer: Mouthpeace with Michael and Pele Bennett

"Wait wait this is live. Oh Shit wake up. Wake up this official trailer of the brand new podcast Michael Pele Benaco mouthpiece were Limonov comedia-. I'd say that we've made on the bus and I said does she wanted to marry me when she saw me but she doesn't recall the story being way I was on the bus and she needed to push it. I was just like you could see her. Pele are we meant negative. That is not true at all. Remember going on the bus in. You're on that bus a couple of times and then I decided to not take the bus anymore. Not because of you know I remember meeting you and actually didn't like you hire looks. It was more your personality in really goofy loud. You're like a clown in the hallway and you kept trying to ask me out talk to me show every week. We're going to talk to each other in our friends about things like the NFL sports and we're GONNA talk about culture of course an estate of politics in other news recently The NFL real people are getting backlash from the race games again because of their name and people are wondering if they should have a name change because imagine if the team was called in the Washington crackers. There's people will be mad because he'd be like w racial slur and if it was the Washington in were full they won't be able to play at all and we're going to talk about raising kids in this crazy fucking world world baccini rely. I think Peyton is the main reason why for like I've made it this for an NFL. Honestly because I feel like at that point looking at hers another level of like you cannot fail you cannot fail you let yourself down but you cannot let this trial down Mike you have to be able to provide for. We're definitely going to talk about. Se Ex sex to be honest communication during sex. That would be my prototype communicate while you're having sex if he's in the wrong Area let him know. Don't make it be painful sexy but in a bad way to say it in a nice way gentle way because of really look I love. You can sing it. You can do whatever you want but you gotta help him out. Which is going to help you grow? So let him know what he's doing wrong. Every week. Google protests most. You're welcome in events we're also gonNA talk about Whatever the fuck we want to is our show I will be air new episodes of mouthpiece every fucking Friday? Please don't forget to subscribe now on Apple spotify Stitcher or whatever the hell you listen to podcasts when you try to have your family whether it's in the bathroom and you car just make sure you subscribe now the.

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Pel's #10 Jersey

Lost at the Smithsonian with Aasif Mandvi

31:21 min | 1 year ago

Pel's #10 Jersey

"Saint John's college is the nation's Great Books College where students explore three thousand years of human thought and just four years or into graduate students on campuses in Santa Santa Fe New Mexico and Annapolis Maryland encounter the most influential works by the greatest thinkers of all time in this vibrant community of learning visit S. J AC DOT EDU to learn more lost at the Smithsonian is brought to you by bear. Bear is helping advance stem cell therapy to repair heart tissue to keep heart stronger longer. From advances in health to innovations in agriculture bear is advancing science for a better life. If at bear this is why we science going right now we're going to our fourth floor. Storage Room Awesome on V.. Here and I know exactly where I am at the Smithsonian actually. That's a lie. I'm lost at this myth. Sonia again this is not your first time there today. I'm lost in a sports collection storage area at the National Museum of American American history. There are roughly six thousand pieces of sports memorabilia. Here for today's episode. I have to pick just one to learn about. It's not an easy choice. You're seeing a baseball. Signed by the nine hundred thirty one yankees colluding Babe Ruth. I'm completely lately overwhelmed by my options. Here there's Tony Hawk. Skateboard Chris Everett's tennis racket. A Yankee Stadium Ticket booth from Nineteen twenty-three. There is even a handball handball here. That was used by Abraham Lincoln. It's impossible to choose look at that. Oh Oh wow number ten jersey. New York has mos Pele is one of the most famous athletes ever. He was the goat before for the war. Goats are celebrated player in the history of the game over the course of a twenty one year career as a professional soccer player. Pele did more for the sports global appeal than anyone in history. He did so much in fact that the International Olympic Committee named Pele The athlete of the century Capelli's spent most of his career in Brazil where he was born but towards the end of his career. He came to America to popularize soccer in the US. Today he joins the New New York Cosmos and the North American Soccer League. Pele Worn unassuming White Mesh Jersey with the number ten on it and now that Jersey has made its way to the Smithsonian's the American history is not just an culture. Doesn't just come from America. I'll kinda shows like we also are Indebted to other cultures for building. Our own is as well. You know. I've actually Matt Pella Okay. Oh Yeah and he actually. He actually came to the daily show once really nancy like meet him tonight. Legendary Footballer One three World Cups during his professional career is the all time leading. Goalscorer are in soccer. Johnston and I both huge soccer fans. I grew up in England where watching soccer is practically citizenship requirement. And though it's hard to believe John Played in college so heck sometimes we even call it. Football new grow up very little money. You use for a soccer ball sock doc stuffed with newspaper or something grateful grapefruit. I mean that's how they they plan on the dirt Pele. He's on a whole other level level. He doesn't even need a ball to play the game and the she works socks Wow It really is a testament. When your socks talks are in the Smithsonian dirty socks dirty socks her in the Smithsonian it is it Pele Pele? I've heard Pele but but I grew up. So I probably will fluctuate through the course of the interview. Herrick is an expert on sports more importantly. He's a curator. Raider the American History Museum which means he's in charge of making sure. I don't walk out of here wearing Pele's Jersey. There is such a legend. Even his name has an origin story. He was born Edson. Atlantis do Nascimento. Pele was a nickname. Other boys started calling him when he was just a kid. He didn't really. I liked the name. They said he said it was a kid before he no he didn't like the name. Pele Pele or my understanding is that he didn't really care for it but it was the nickname that it was attributed them as a as a kid and didn't mean something because he grew up in Brazil. Yeah they say he's the they claim to not know what it means interesting even if it didn't mean anything then Pele certainly means something now soccer legend and he grew up playing soccer football doc football on the streets of West and Paolo he was an incredibly impoverished and became a professional as a so. You know and it's really teams wore shoes in a game at age. Twelve but at fifteen. He was a major league player at Seventeen storrow the World Cup and a major world bigger over the next fifteen years Pele scored more than a thousand goals. One reporter wrote the best and most experienced defenders on earth could do nothing to stop him short of homicide aside. No wonder that. So many people the name Palais is synonymous with soccer itself. There's not many people so associated with a sport back then soccer's Babe Ruth would be an example in baseball where people who don't know baseball that Babe Ruth Baseball player but he's that level of tame the return of Pele attracted worldwide interest and given professional soccer in the US a kingside shock in the art when Pele came to play for the New York Cosmos in nineteen seventy five. It was a big deal not just because polly was a soccer star but because he came out of retirement to bring soccer to America America it was only a two year stint but it made a huge impact the return of play today on. CBS Look at. It is like when you have people like when Brigitte cough or come to America. You know like these kind of international stars people not interested in sports still want to see the best or the most interesting wresting thing so play was able to do that just as presence joining the team and I think he did it intentionally. Because he's new America. Was this great market that it was kind of untapped for the sport that he loved a few years. Before Pele's arrival when the North American soccer league began Dan soccer was largely seen as a sport for foreigners but just a few years after Pele's brief chapter with the cosmos. There were over three million organize players in the US. I went to my first practice and I fell in love. It was just I call it love it. I kicked among the young players who felt that spark when Pele played in the. US was brandy chesting. Justin is best known for her penalty. Kick at the one thousand nine hundred ninety nine World Cup in front of ninety thousand fans at the Rose Bowl and with forty million Americans watching at home keeper in the world is going to save chastain ripped off for Jersey and dropped to her knees in a black sports sports bra an iconic image that was on the cover of sports illustrated Newsweek and Time magazine because of its importance on so many levels for women's sports and for soccer in the US that in one thousand nine hundred nineteen put women's soccer on the map. It really is a moment of insanity because it was relief it it was satisfaction. It was it was passionate it was love it was pride than if you could multiply it exponentially by probably like million. Then we might get close is to the feeling that I had at that moment but it all started when chastain went to a soccer camp as a nine year old with a prize for the best is player was the chance to wear. Pele's number ten Cosmos Jersey for an afternoon man. If that didn't ignite a fire in me and so I I have to set the stage even more and saying that was like three hundred boys at an overnight camp and like five girls so the competition was stiff but I was determined to wear that Jersey and sure enough I did and it was like a Magic Cape. It was like you know the invisibility cloak so to speak. You could put it on and you felt like you could do anything it was you know obviously way too long for me at nine and I wore more like address than a shirt but it was spectacular. It made me so happy. I mean even now talking about you know I have a big big smile on my face and it's one of those moments that you hope in your lifetime. You can recreate the feeling you you had when you put that Jersey on now first of all let me ask you this. Is it Pele or visit Palay. Well I I would just call him. The King David Hershey. The sports writer who co wrote Pele's new World Pele's his autobiography about his time in the US. If there's anybody who knows Pele well enough both personally and professionally to give the king his do it's him it's Pele. La Pele Pele Right. It's not as my first. Sports editor referred to them is really that is not say that guys should have been fired right on the spot. I had this debate with the curator at the Smithsonian Palay. He wanted to call him Palay an well. Hey late eight makes perfect sense because he did nothing. Basically that didn't have a check attached to it so pay lay right. Maybe that's what they're talking about. His opportunism was even spoofed on the simpsons. King of view became of your kitchen us. Chris revealed waxed paper. David who she's interest in soccer wasn't strictly professional. He used to play in college when he was twenty two. He was working as a reporter for the New York. Daily early news. Who's editor told him? Don't waste your time on soccer. It's a game for comedy pansies. Luckily David Din listen. I volunteered in tiered to cover soccer because no one else wanted anything to do with it. So for that first year it was seventy three seventy before I would schlep out to Long Island and write four paragraphs about the cosmos That were usually cut in in half and placed in the hair replacement ads in the back of the paper but that all changed in July tenth nineteen seventy five Wenn Pele arrived and all of a sudden my stories were leading the sports section. So basically I own my career to to demand are here under threat is. I'm still not sure about how much money he got. I was told by my source that it was a two point. Eight million for two years which seems chump change by today's standards but was then the most money that any soccer player made need. It's important to point out that while Pele loved the idea of coming coming to the states to spread the gospel of soccer to the Heathens. He also loved the string of zeroes on his paycheck because he was frankly broke broke from hat relying on his entourage to handle his finances. Share and stuff ya well now when Pele got to America. Soccer wasn't really part of American sports now. Being on a soccer team in elementary school is a right of passage inch back then. It was practically unheard of baseball was American football was American basketball was American but soccer. That was a Commie Armie pansies until Pele showed up when that happened David her. She suddenly went from covering bottom tier sport to following around the biggest biggest sport celebrity in the world in Brazil where he was before he retired all he could win was a championship because he was already a national treasure but here he could actually win a country he could. He could conquer the last outpost of indifference toward the beautiful four-game while at the same time making himself whole financially light takes a pretty good shot of the penalty. Area down the ball comes across three Palais Palais. What half-full stadiums? We're talking about. You Know Ramshackle Stadium Field was strewn with rocks in glass and the mixture of You know former semi pro players in college graduates to make a a decent team but there was nothing cool about the sport back thing whatsoever out in the tie up traffic when we return soccer takes over the United States with Pele leading the charge at the request of Henry. Kissinger wait. What what really okay? I'll check my notes and get back to you on that. The story of the Gods Hero's quest a monstrous force. The stuff of Legend offering a glimpse into a fantastical passed and guidance. For creating a meaningful future they're also the focus of the extraordinary tales explored in podcast network's original series mythology every Tuesday mythology delves deep into the history origins and meaning of myths. 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Bear is advancing science for a better life because because someone with heart issues should still be able to have their heart jumped with joy because a farmer using less water should still be able to grow their crops. Because someone getting getting older should still be able to act young at bear. This is why we science What was the impression of Pele before he came to people that Americans know who he was and what he what he meant to the game? Well you know you had to be a die. Hard to really understand his importance as a soccer player but I think a lot of people knew him as a global Nikon. Here's this guy who I think it was nineteen sixty seven chopard into Nigeria and. They stopped the civil war for forty forty eight hours while he was there and there was all sorts of legends about that his popularity eclipsed the pope and maybe only Ali. The League was in his category worldwide. As a sportsman youngster emerged from the obscurity of the backstreets of Sao Paulo to world fame. Almost overnight is famous number. Ten shirt became a symbol of footballing skill. I don't know if you're aware of this. But Pele came by that number Burak sedan in nineteen fifty eight when he when he made his world cup debut as a seventeen year old. The Brazilian team had forgotten To allocate numbers on the shirts right so AFIFA stepped in and is randomly gave the number ten shirt to Pele which was usually awarded to the teams most creative player and playmaker. But you know it was totally by accident that he got that number and of course he made it into the most famous shirt in sports history regardless of how he got what is number Pele's certainly made it his own becoming the most creative player and playmaker not only on his team but in soccer at large. Ah Ah David once wrote the many of Pele Saba goals were masterpieces worthy of the move. Pele himself once said I was born to play football just like Beethoven was born to write music and Michelangelo was born to paint. I bet it does what was so special about in the way he played. Well I think three things balance you couldn't you couldn't shoulder barge him or or tackle them off the ball. He was a squat man with a very sturdy physical plant so he's five foot six that allowed him to wriggle out of tight spaces faces he then had the you know the golden touch he would stop the bull dead upon arrival that gave him an explosive first step to get by defenders and then his vision he could see things that no one else on the field could he. He could see a space that was about to open up in a nanosecond whereas others just saw two defenders in front of them. I think it was that combination of Balance Vision physical little strength and imagination. That set him apart now. Who is responsible support for convincing him to come to the states in the end I think Henry Kissinger Henry Kissinger breath? That's right former secretary of State Henry Kissinger who served under Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford Award might be directly responsible for Pele and soccer coming to the US. I think Henry Kissinger a long story. But the general manager you're of the Cosmos was a An ex pat former soccer writer in England. Who is Clive Clive? Toy Right. Who who realized that you know no matter how much effort and gimmicks they put into promoting the cosmos that they would continue to play in near obscurity in less they could get a superstar somersaulting building through the air the score with a by cycle? There wasn't a superstar in all of soccer. Then Pele if the cosmos could get him he'd put them on the map but the problem was Pele had been anointed a national on exportable treasure by Brazil. So he had to resort to using the leverage of our government in dealing with the Brazilian their Brazilian counterparts and that's were Kissinger game in. He was a former mediocre goalkeeper in Germany who loved the sport and he was able to to convince the Brazilian minister that this would be a win win for everybody and I'll forever be grateful to him for that crowd at historians. Now believe I'm saying this but Kissinger was rate. Pele's first game with the Cosmos was televised in twenty two countries which was a major change of pace for the cosmos and what was the spectacle of that first game like what. What was the feeling in the in the in the stadium? Well the irony is they had to play it at this. At Randall's island is said the downtrodden auden pile of rocks left over from the Paleolithic era in Manhattan rather than at Yankee Stadium. which had a capacity the of seventy seven thousand Randall's island could squeeze in maybe twenty what was to me? What was noticeable? was that the press box. which as I said usually had no more than six or seven journalists had three hundred reporters from around the world mile to witness this watershed shed moment and it was? The stadium was in such sad ass shape that I ride in our before the game to see the clive toy. The general manager on his hands and knees painting dirt spots on the field so they would look good on television loud it it was like displaying the Michael Angelo in some ratty basement. So you know Eh feverish ephemeral moment in time that could never be sustained but for those couple years to say as I did to the to the gatekeeper at studio fifty four. I'm with the cosmos. Those four words were like saying I'm with the stone in another year. That leads me to the to Funny Story probably the most surreal moment in the thirty years. I've been covering Pele took place at the at the famed nightclub studio fifty four back in the late seventy s when it was you know the Temple of disco and drug fueled parties and it was full of one one name. People Warhol was no Andy. Liza Minnelli was Liza Bianca Jagger Bianca and he fit in seamlessly. And I'll never forget seeing him stretched out on some leather banquet like Roman emperor with two blondes on each side of him feeding him dom perignon and grapes and looked up at me in winked and he said not for the book up my friend not for the book at the time we were working on a memoir. One of his six autobiographies mine was simply about his time. In this in this state southbound at the time to follow today Pele was this big of a sports star as you could get in America feet which was all the more impressive because his American soccer career only lasted two years. Two years later he retires. Is that right. He retires. Yes two years in nineteen seventy seven before before seventy seven thousand giant stadium in a game where he played the first half for the cosmos and the second in half for his old club team Santos Auto and then what today is all about the over over. He was able to score a goal for each team so everybody was happy. And then he was carried aloft on the shoulders of his Cosmos teammates around for victory. Lack one hand in in teeming rain and I just remember everybody in the stadium staying while it pissed down around and he finally took the microphone and said this is for the children. I'm hoping my time here will l. had planted the seeds for the children who will follow and then he closed with love love love. They wave me three times. No no AH with this day is about the love of the game in the world in two years. He's playing and then after Pele retires. American soccer never looks back like it's just the biggest sport in America. No no no. No what did it was a house of cards. That crumbled the league that he propped up for those two years now the rest of the team's couldn't compete with the millions of dollars and yet they tried and they didn't get the traction that the cosmos did did than it was I think ten years later before. MLS came into being So no there was that period. Where was just? It's an obscure sport that had its once in a lifetime moment but now forty years later the sport is I think entrenched inched in the DNA of American kids. And that's who you're seeing come out to. MLS Games and Selana united where. There's seventy five thousand people every week. So the seeds that he planted did bro At this point the is almost a quarter order century old. An entire generation of American kids have grown up playing and watching soccer and American soccer teams now compete on the world stage where they inspire via a love for the game in a new generation. Twenty five million Americans say play soccer at some level and that doesn't count people like me who want to play but can't because I'm not very good twenty first century. American soccer has firmly established itself as a mainstream sport. And it's all because of one player. Pele take out a troll as their own. Aw and there's no question that his presence you know when people say that the United states is no longer a sleepy backwater of soccer. It was all due to his presence in in in this country goes goes to amazing years. And that's quite a gift and Doc David her. She was a soccer columnist for ESPN and is now a writer at large for the magazine. Gene 8-for-8 next time on loss to the Smithsonian particular that I wanted to pull out So suits suits worn by the beaches. Oh my God matching. That's huge for me. Matching suits from their nineteen seventy tour with their shoes watt fan on this planet Silver Shimmering Shiny suits that represent one of the best selling selling soundtracks of all time lost at the Smithsonian is produced by Mary. Beth Kushner our executive producer and editor is Ellen Weiss Technical Support from Robin Wise. Fact checking from Danielle Roff and scripting by Alex. Berg mixing and sound design by Casey Holford and John Galore original theme Music Music by Casey Holford. Our supervising producer is Jordan. Bell and our executive producer is Chris. Bannon huge thanks to the Smithsonian's National Museum of American History Eric Jansen Ryan Lintel men John Trautmann and Laura Doff for all their help in making this show lost at the Smithsonian is a production of the scripts Washington Bureau and Stitcher. I'm your host of Monty. 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Miracle Healers Pt. 3: Tanzania

Cults

37:23 min | 3 months ago

Miracle Healers Pt. 3: Tanzania

"In early two thousand eleven a line of cars stretched across the craggy tanzanian dirt road for miles. Each one carried the dying hopes of the passengers. Inside the heat made the experience unbearable. The packed in passengers started getting out of their stopped cars to see how much farther they had to go before they reached the remote town of simone gay but it was impossible to calculate the distance. The line stretched all the way into the horizon and out of sight. All they wanted was the miracle drink being sold by seventy six year. Old bielecki lay waspy. Lay they heard it could heal them of serious illnesses from cancer to aids but not everyone in line was going to make it there in time they were in the middle of nowhere and there were no facilities for countless miles for those already in dire straits. This long journey put their bodies over the edge. Dozens of people ended up dying on the way. And even for those who made it. There being healed by moscow appeal as miracle. Formula was far from guaranteed. Hi i'm greg paulson. I'm vanessa richardson. And this is colts. A spotify original from podcast episode three of our four part special on miracle healers in this episode. We're taking a deep dive into tanzanian faith. Healer on key lay wasser pele also known as babu who promised to cure for cancer diabetes. Hiv and aids. His radical claim struck a nerve with a population desperate for help but these were miracles that he was ultimately unable to provide will have all this and more coming up stay with us rees is a personal untold. Story of fbi agent clery starling as she returned to the field in nineteen ninety-three one year after the events of the silence of the lambs. She tracks down monsters and men men while working in a man's world. Now it's time to speak. The silence is over the cbs original glories thursdays at ten nine central or streaming anytime on. Cbs this episode is brought to you by fan duel sportsbook. 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That's why the responding to the cove nineteen crisis by working on solutions for some of today's biggest challenges as leading provider of personal protective equipment. Three emma's producing critical products for health. Care workers and first responders in donating to local anti unitarian eight partners around the globe. They're also making more respirators than ever before with plants working around the clock producing more than ninety five million respirators per month in the us. Helping those in the front lines. Continue the fight. Three m science applied to life. Learn more about how three m is helping the world respond the cova pandemic at three am dot com slash kovin when most people think of miracle healing. Their minds are drawn to images of evangelical preachers on television or loud pastors sweating and revival tent. But faith healers come in all forms whether that's inexperienced. Doctor turned healer or a toddler with the power of god on her side and their purported cures are just as varied as their personalities while some develop an entrepreneurial spirit at a young age others find their calling much later in life. Like on billy key les moss. Pele appeal was born in one thousand nine hundred thirty six. In what is now southern tanzania. He spent his youth in the quaint village of evenly lou. But it's unlikely that he had an idyllic childhood life in tanzania was hard and poverty affected every facet of life. It's likely that he didn't have access to potable drinking water and as a young boy both of his parents died which left him an orphan. It's easy to imagine how this loss would have deeply affected wasser pele. Vanessa's going to take over. And the psychology here and throughout the episode. Please note the is not a licensed psychologist or psychiatrist. But she has done a lot of research. This show thanks greg. According to the book bereavement reactions consequences and care published by the institute of medicine. The loss of a loved one at a young age can have disastrous effects. The authors explain unlike adults who can sustain a year or more intense grieving. Children are likely to manifest grief related affect and behavior on an intermittent basis for many years after loss occurs masa. Pele likely felt the impact of his parents. Deaths even as an adult. It's also possible that as a coping strategy. He deepened his lifelong christian faith. When wall subpoena was a teenager he left his village and traveled north to find steady work for the next twenty years. He lived in northern tanzania building houses. He carved out a decent life for himself but at some point it became apparent that his current path wasn't going to lead to anything special he longed for something more so in the early nineteen seventies. Waspy lay then in his mid thirties. Made a radical change. He joined the seminary his commitment to the evangelical lutheran. Church of. Tanzania was strong from the start. According to a later interview with one of moss appeal as teachers reverend key mir i must appeal was quiet studious and always gave the right answers however once waspy lay became part of the clergy and the years past. He privately questioned whether the meagre life of a pastor was right for him. He was intrigued by stories of men. Working in the mines and the meranti hills over a hundred miles away. The hills were home to tanzania one of the rarest. Jim stones on earth one of moss appeal as friends had headed to the minds to seek his fortunes and was appealing was tempted to tag along. But one night moss appeal. I had a dream that changed everything in his dream. Moss appeal a found himself deep within a mine underneath thousands of tons of earth. He desperately doug for gemstones and after what felt like an eternity he hit pay dirt there in front of him was a gorgeous gem that would provide him with all of the earthly riches he could effort desire but as he grabbed the stone his hand immediately started to feel warm within seconds. The sensation intensified into a violent burning. He recoiled in horror. Then he noticed his friend down the mine with him. He was able to grab stones with no problem in his panic. Moss appeal didn't understand what was happening. And then just as things were getting too intense. He awoke as moss appealing recovered from the nightmare. He slowly became convinced that he just received a message. from god. In the old testament daniel joseph and king solomon all experienced holy dreams after years in seminary moss appealing would have been familiar with their stories and he was primed to interpret his dream as god speaking to him. Moscow pee lay thought the meaning was clear instead of heading out for the minds in hopes of financial prosperity. God was telling him to remain in the church where his true purpose was not one to argue with the creator of the universe. Wasa pele obeyed. He continued work. As a pastor and nineteen eighty-nine the fifty-three-year-old once lay decided to travel as a missionary to the remote village of simone gay. It wasn't a desirable assignment. Running water was hard to come by and the village wasn't connected to the electrical grid. The nearest large town was over. Two hundred miles away and the pay wasn't great but apparently moss appeal felt called and he offered his services. It's unlikely that waspy lays arrival came with much fanfare but easily slipped into the role and began his outreach. It's hard to say. How many were in his congregation. He had at any given time because the population of the village was always in flux. But there were never more than a thousand people despite taking such a big risk in moving to some gay. It seemed that moss appeal as life remained the same as it had always been average. The church gave him a small monthly stipend and let him live in a modest house. Built for the area's previous pastors everything was business as usual until nineteen ninety-one when waspy lay experienced another divine dream. This time it proved prophetic. And it would not only change the course of waspy lace life but the lives of millions. He'd come in contact with coming up. Moss epeli creates a miracle cure high listeners. Vanessa from podcast. When you think of a criminal do you picture a killer. A gangster a thief. I bet you didn't think it could be the little old lady down the street. Who murdered her tenants. Every wednesday on my series female criminals. Meet the unlikeliest of felons. Mothers neighbors and unsuspecting lovers with a penchant for dangerous behavior. 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And if they ever did meet watts appeal. I wasn't sure how. With the lord commanded he had no magical cure. The idea of miracle healing was nothing new to those in tanzania let alone someone of christian faith in the bible there countless healings performed including christ giving sight to a blind beggar. Healing lepers and raising lazarus from the dead so for moss epeli. The command in. His dream didn't seem impossible. He just didn't know where to begin so he continued his work and waited for further instructions from god as the years rolled by and moss appeal got older. His work in the savannah began taking. Its toll. He was no longer the young man who once hoped to gain fast money at gemstone mines. He was well past middle age and the locals had begun calling him babu as a sign of respect. The swahili term for grandfather. In two thousand. Two at the age of sixty six babu was ready to retire after having spent the majority of his life. Devoted to the lord's work some in church leadership expected him to go home to the largest city of bomani where his relatives left. But instead he stayed put in simone gay but staying in the village wouldn't be easy after he retired. He wasn't allowed to remain in the churches housing anymore. He received a small retirement payment each month. The equivalent of only twenty seven. Us dollars which he used to move into a mud hot. The money was barely enough to live on and with someone gay being so far out of the way it took weeks for the checks to arrive so to supplement. Some of his income babu began helping out with small building projects around town but he didn't seem to mind he still believes he was following. God's will and continued to have divined dreams then in two thousand nine while at the church's choir practice babu saul something incredible. The woman from his dream eighteen years before he couldn't believe his eyes. She looked exactly the same as in his vision and despite the decades that had passed she was young just like in the dream that night bob went to sleep wondering how he might fulfill god's demand he hoped that the lord might speak to him again and it seemed that god did in a dream. Babu saw strange man standing holding two large routes in his outstretched hands when he woke up. Babu new where the plant roots were from the mubarak tree in rural tanzania traditional healers commonly used the route in soups and drinks as a way to cure headaches and fevers. It's likely that babu new of the plants medicinal use but he'd never heard of it curing aids. He had faith but he still didn't have any idea what to do. His only hope was to pray and ask god for further guidance. A few days later the lord answered in another dream babu saw reddish brown liquid without hesitation babu to do he needed to boil the root in water amazingly one day during this time babu woke up and saw something at his house. He'd never seen before a small plastic cup. He hadn't brought it inside and he didn't think he'd had any visitors left behind as babu stood there looking at the little cup. He put it all together. God had placed it there to show him how much of the miracle drink was needed to heal aids. Babu said about brewing. His first batch of the drink he took roots from mugabe got tree and place them in a pot of water to boil after the mixture cooled. He poured some into the small plastic cup. Then he tracked down the woman from his dream and gave her the liquid. She drank it weeks later. She came back to tell bob with that she'd gone to her doctor. Her white blood cell count was climbing enter. Immune system is stronger than before she told baba with that she no longer had aids. That moment likely validated. Every decision babu had made in his life the times of uncertainty in the church his move to simone gay and his resolve to stay suddenly. The hardships were all worth it. He'd found his purpose. God had worked through him and he knew they had more work to do. Throughout summer and fall of two thousand ten babu expanded his operation serving his special drink to more people in the community with hiv and aids word slowly spread to the surrounding areas of babu's purported success at the time an estimated one point five million people in tanzania where living with hiv or aids. They were all desperate not to let the disease kill them. As more and more people arrived from the rural outskirts babu welcomed them with open arms. Before passing out his miracle cure he would gather small groups and give a short sermon about the power of faith. He'd quickly point out. That god was the one who made his liquid so powerful after the short surface babu would hand out the small plastic cups. Some people who drank the concoction said it tasted bitter with the ingested it. They didn't feel the wave of relief. Or a euphoric feeling. Everything seemed normal but they were willing to give abu the benefit of the doubt after returning the cups they thanked babu and headed home quietly hoping that the medicine had worked and that was just the start for babu by tober of two thousand ten. He claimed he had another dream. This time the lord decreed that the drink could do more than just cure. hiv and aids. It could cure a whole litany of ailments including asthma diabetes and cancer. Bob who also claimed the lord told him to charge five hundred tonnes in the shillings worth about thirty cents per cup. In the next few months babu saw dozens of people arrive each day most went home to tell their family and friends about the miracle cure sending even more hopeful patients. His way in a country like tanzania were in two thousand twelve. One third of the rural population lived in poverty. People were desperate for medical care. They could afford babu's promised to heal any ailment for less than the cost of a can of soda struck a nerve. Many people who'd been hopeless could finally see a brighter future. Babu didn't seem to realize that. He was praying in the hopes of his desperate neighbors. Even though there wasn't any empirical evidence that his miracle cure was effective. He felt steadfast in the belief that he was doing. The work of god in his is the more people that came the more people he could heal. And those numbers dramatically increased after november of two thousand ten when the first large tanzanian newspaper picked up babu story by two thousand eleven crowds from all reaches of the country were heading across the rugged landscape to some gay and for at least a few of them it appeared that babu's miracle trink really worked several travelers. Who had diabetes reported that blood sugar levels were suddenly and check to them. The cemented babu's claims but not everyone was buying it so easily that winter evangelical lutheran church leaders arrived in simone gay. They wanted to investigate. The claims of a retired pastor. Who said he was healing in the name of god when they rolled into town they seemed relieved to see babu an actual member of their church and not an impostor to them. It didn't look like he was taking advantage of anyone. He was only doing. The lord's work. The leaders spent the day with who as he handed out the drink. At the end of the day they went back to their congregations impressed with what they saw. They even told their own church members about the miracles occurring in gay. We should note that the church leaders might have realized that could capitalize on babu's popularity thirty cents a cup divided up might not seem like a lot but with thousands of desperate travellers coming through each day. The some added up at some point. Church leaders offered to bill. Bobooh and official healing center tried to collect donations on his behalf. Bob who reportedly resisted saying that this was not part of god's plan but their endorsements only added fuel to the fire. Those who might have been skeptical before were now packing their things and heading off to see babu as hundreds arrived in san moon. Gay babu tried to maintain his grip on the cure by placing parameters on. It's miraculous abilities. Only he and the assistance he approved could hand out the drink. He also dissuaded anyone from taking some of the root concoction. Back home with them. He claimed it would turn to poison the moment. It left the village. Most dangerously babu claimed that those who took the drink no longer needed to take their medication. He stressed that the cure came from their faith and god was already working in their bodies to eliminate their ailments while these claims for wild no one had any reason to doubt babu. They believed he'd already cured. Thousands of people from diseases that were once considered death sentences. Unfortunately their faith was unfounded. Many who came to see babu stopped taking their insulin. For diabetes those with hiv halted their anti retroviral drugs which kept their hiv from progressing and from there things got out of hand at first all the exposure was good for babu's image but it was becoming too much as he became famous nationwide for his miracle. Cure thousand for setting out across the sparse landscape to get to him. They encountered a tough journey into seemingly endless line of cars that ultimately took some of their lines coming up babu's meteoric rise reaches its peak and comes crashing down. This episode is brought to you by fan duel. Sportsbook march mania. Is here. you can choose to be a bench warmer and watch from the sidelines or you could get in the game and try your hand at fan duel. Sportsbook shoot your shot on money. Lines point spreads parlays more. 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Fbi agent clarisse darlie returns to the field to pursue serial killers and sexual predators while navigating the high stakes political world of washington dc. Her complex psychological makeup empowers her to begin to find her voice and track the darkest psychological forces that prey upon the innocent. Now it's hurts. i'm the speak. The silence is over the cbs original glories thursdays at ten nine central or stream anytime on cd s now back to our story by late february. Two thousand eleven people from all across tanzania were traveling to the remote village of simone gay to reach babu moss epeli. They packed their bags and crammed into rented vehicles joining a caravan of tens of thousands of others. It was a long expedition. It an ideal scenario it would take around seven hours from the nearest pay road to reach the village but with the influx of people making the pilgrimage. Trek might stretch on for days and require camping on the side of the road in such a remote part of the country. There were no roadside facilities like restrooms restaurants or motels. Once people started their journey they were in it for the long haul for the weary travelers. That made it taboo. The scene looked very different for months. Before the pastor used to gather as visitors and lead them in prayer before handing out his medicine but now he operated things more like a drive through. Everything was organized to pump as many people through the line as possible. Babu had helpers come by with trays full of cups as he poured in the liquid. The helpers went to the waiting cars handed them out then collected the empty cups and brought them back to babu. The personal touch had vanished. But that didn't stop people from arriving in droves even government officials and foreign dignitaries wanted babu's miracle tonic and they found ways to jump the line some days high profile. Visitors flew into the village with helicopters. It's unknown how much babu charged those guests who were able to cut the line but it was almost certainly more than thirty cents and we do know that for those coming from outside of tanzania babu charged a slightly higher fee of one dollar but no matter how many customers he served the volume never slowed down as weeks. Pass by there. Were simply too many people to accommodate in a given day. This created a backup on the road that sometimes stretched for over thirty miles. Unfortunately the harsh landscape and lack of these put the feeble pilgrims in a dangerous position according to a two thousand eleven report by the boston globe. At least fifty travelers ended up dying before they ever made it to the village. Things are spiraling out of control but local government leaders were reluctant to step. In babu's business had increased tourism boosted the local economy and provided. Hope in a place where most people had none for the government. The benefits far outweighed the drawbacks even though they were already regulations in place for traditional healers the government refused to investigate whether babu was following them they also ignored the pleas of healthcare professionals. Who were worried about the patients who had stopped taking their medications. International journalists began applying pressure by running stories about the pilgrims and babu's line however the local governments seem to ignore the criticism. Babu was still a large draw and all publicity was good publicity but in light of the mounting issues. Babu himself finally realized that things were out of control. He'd always wanted to help others but now it seemed like he might be doing more harm than good in a news story from this time babu is quoted as saying this is a pathetic situation and something should be done to stem the crisis with babu vocalizing. His concerns reluctant officials coordinated with the former pastor to call for a week. Long pause. i'm pilgrims coming to someone gay during this break. Bubba claimed he and his helpers would set up the appropriate infrastructure to accommodate more visitors without leaving anyone to die in the wilderness to quell some of the skepticism. The tanzanian government commissioned a study to look into the safety of babu's drink they also tested the validity of some of his more outlandish claims about curing diabetes cancer and aids. To no surprise they found the drink was safe to consume specifically in the small quantities. That babu handed out more importantly though they discovered that some of bubbles claims may have actually been true at least somewhat the study found evidence that the key ingredient in the drink. The mugabe tree root had medicinal benefits. It could help regulate blood sugar levels. Lower blood pressure and treat the herpes simplex virus people with hiv have compromised immune systems causing opportunistic infections like herpes to thrive unfortunately curing. Their visible sores may have convinced some patients with hiv that their disease was gone in a sign of possible government bias. The report conveniently never refuted babu's claims of curing hiv or cancer for the government. The conclusions gave them the confidence to allow babu to continue his operation. When babu opened back up in april two thousand eleven he had better procedures in place. Additionally officials levied tolls on the countless vehicles on their way to simone gay the government also made it harder for foreign correspondents to spread bad. Press about babu. According to reporter jesse dukes. If a journalist wanted to receive the drink they were more than welcome to travel to simone gay however if they wanted an interview they i had to apply for a permit in arusha over two hundred miles away. In some cases a government officer was required to accompany the journalist on the journey to someone gay while in town reports were allowed to talk with babu who seemed willing to answer questions but a translator sympathetic to babu usually acted as go between this meant that many hard hitting questions were accidentally lost in translation but these measures had little influence on the bad publicity stories continued to be published about the problems facing pilgrims including even more deaths along the road to simone ghei some reports even questioned the truth about babu's first healing the young woman who claimed he cured her. Hiv some wondered if the woman even had hiv to begin with by june the damage to babu's reputation what becoming irreparable menu had visited. Babur discovering that. His cure was only a stopgap for the health issues. Those who had stopped taking their medication found their conditions coming back and most were worse off than before for patients with hiv who had stopped their anti retroviral medicine. The results were catastrophic. The virus progress to the point where returning patients to stability was nearly impossible and this affected more than just a handful of people during babu's healing craze hundreds if not thousands of people stop seeing their doctors or taking their medication than without actual medical care many patients whose health was already teetering on the edge suddenly died. Healthcare professionals across the country did their best to stop the damage but it was a nearly impossible task task. The most they could do was to try to convince their patients who hadn't already seen babu to stay away in summer of two thousand eleven. The news abobo's failed. Miracles reached almost everyone in tanzania and with that the rapid flow of visitors into simone gay quickly dried up. Babo success wasn't built to last. Once people discovered that his cure didn't work he had nothing left to lean on. He hadn't used his fame to build a real church. He didn't pedal any books or merchandise. After their i drink pilgrims were sent back home to wait for their miracle. Without that miracle the public's faith in babu plummeted they wanted guaranteed results and unfortunately he couldn't provide them for babu's part he didn't seem all that remorseful for his actions but a news crew interviewed him in two thousand nineteen. He said he had no regrets. He still believed that he done the work of god during the interview he flip through the glossy pages of an autobiography. He'd recently released his old weathered fingers glided over the countless pictures that pointed to his success. There were photos of helicopters landing a few hundred yards from his one time. Home in saloon gay. It seems that if he could babu would do the work all over again. That is if people are willing to show up. According to psychologist and author guy wench some people with fragile egos are unable to admit that they've ever been wrong. He writes accepting. they were wrong. Absorbing that reality would be so. Psychologically shattering their defense mechanisms do something remarkable to avoid doing so they literally distort their perception of reality to make it less threatening in this case babu may be looking back on his time as a healer in a positive light to hide the fact that he likely caused. The deaths of hundreds were babu might like to see himself as purely altruistic in his quest to heal his countrymen. He also did quite well for himself financially. He netted enough to move into a full house and buy a truck. He didn't gain extravagant wealth from his work but compared to others in the area he seemed well off. The craze created plenty of opportunities for other people in simone gays. Well many neighbors capitalized on the influx of visitors by opening shops restaurants and makeshift lodgings. But there was no happy ending for the pilgrims who were longing to be healed in total. It's estimated that four million people visited babu between late two thousand ten and summer. Two thousand eleven each one of them came because they had hoped for a better future. They weren't necessarily gullible just desperate. Babu's tail is a cautionary one. Anyone can find themselves taken advantage of in desperate situations when the government's institutions don't protect the vulnerable. It paves the way for opportunists to do harm. But these problems don't just exist. In countries like tanzania where the healthcare system is fragile and poverty is rampant. They happen all across the globe. Even in the united states where faith healing met capitalism in the gentle wind project. Thanks again for tuning into colts. We'll be back next week. With our fourth and final installment of our miracle healers special where we'll explore the gentle wind project in the united states for more information on being a key. Lame waspy lay monks many sources. We used we found meek of a hacking gos- paper babu alonzo healing the tensions between tanzania at world's extremely helpful to our research. You can find all episodes of cults and all other spotify originals from podcast for free on spotify. Colts is a spotify original. From podcast executive producers. Include max and ron cutler sound designed by anthony val sick with production assistance by ron shapiro. Carly maddin and bruce kovic. This episode of cults was written by robert tyler walker with writing assistance by mallory. Kara and k gallagher fact checking by claire cronin and research by brian. Peteris cult stars. Greg poulsen and vanessa richardson.

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"In early two thousand eleven a line of cars stretched across the craggy tanzanian dirt road for miles. Each one carried the dying hopes of the passengers. Inside the heat made the experience unbearable. The packed in passengers started getting out of their stopped cars to see how much farther they had to go before they reached the remote town of simone gay but it was impossible to calculate the distance. The line stretched all the way into the horizon and out of sight. All they wanted was the miracle drink being sold by seventy six year. Old biki lay waspy. Pele they heard it could heal them of serious illnesses from cancer to aids but not everyone in line was going to make it there in time. They were in the middle of nowhere and there were no facilities for countless miles for those already in dire straits. This long journey put their bodies over the edge. Dozens of people ended up dying on the way. And even for those who made it there. Being healed by moscow appeal miracle formula was far from guaranteed. Hi i'm greg paulson. And i'm vanessa. Richardson and this is colts. A spotify original from podcast episode three of our four part special on miracle healers in this episode. We're taking a deep dive into tanzanian faith. Healer on key lay wasser pele also known as babu who promised to cure for cancer diabetes. Hiv and aids. His radical claims struck a nerve with a population desperate for help but these were miracles that he was ultimately unable to provide will have all this and more coming up. Stay with us hi listeners. Don't forget that starting july first podcast presents is moving exclusively to spotify. Find all your favorite specials only in one place to ensure you can still hear this exciting content. Download the spotify app for free and search. Paul cost presents. Give it a follow and stop engine. That's it we appreciate your loyalty and support and look forward to seeing you on spotify. 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The power plants with the plus energy power up When most people think of miracle healing their minds are drawn to images of preachers on television or loud pastors sweating and a revival tent. But faith healers come in all forms. Whether that's an experienced doctor turned healer or a toddler with the power of god on her side and their purported cures are just as varied as their personalities while some develop an entrepreneurial spirit at a young age others find their calling much later in life like on billy key lay. Moss's pele one subpoena was born in one thousand nine thirty six in. What is now southern tanzania. He spent his youth in the quaint village of evenly blue. But it's unlikely daddy had an idyllic childhood life in tanzania was hard and poverty affected every facet of life. It's likely that he didn't have access to potable drinking water and as a young boy both of his parents died which left him an orphan. It's easy to imagine how this loss would have deeply affected wasser pele. Vanessa's going to take over. And the psychology here and throughout the episode please note. Vanessa is not a licensed psychologist or psychiatrist but she has done a lot of research for this show thanks greg. According to the book bereavement reactions consequences and care published by the institute of medicine. The loss of a loved one at a young age can have disastrous effects. The authors explain unlike adults who can sustain a year or more of intense grieving. Children are likely to manifest. Grief related affects and behavior on an intermittent for many years after loss occurs mosque. Pele likely felt the impact of his parents. Deaths even as an adult. It's also possible that as a coping strategy. He deepened his lifelong christian faith. When wall subpoena was a teenager he left his village and traveled north to find steady work for the next twenty years. He lived in northern tanzania building houses. He carved out a decent life for himself but at some point it became apparent that his current path wasn't going to lead to anything special he longed for something more so in the early nineteen seventies. Waspy lay then in. His mid thirties made a change. He joined the seminary his commitment to the evangelical lutheran church of tanzania was strong from the start according to a later interview with one of moss appeal as teachers reverend kimera. Moss appeal was quiet. Studious and always gave the right answers however wants waspy lay became part of the clergy and the years past. He privately questioned whether the meagre life of a pastor was right for him. He was intrigued by stories of men working in the mines and the member ronnie hills over a hundred miles away. The hills were home to ten tonight. One of the rarest gemstones on earth one of moss the appeal as friends had headed to the minds to seek his fortunes and moss appeal was tempted to tag along. But one night watts appeal. I had dreamed that changed everything. In his dream. Moss appeal a found himself deep within a mine. Underneath thousands of tons of earth he desperately doug for gemstones and after what felt like an eternity he hit pay dirt. There in front of him was a gorgeous gem that would provide him with all of the earthly riches he could ever desire but as he grabbed the stone his hand immediately started to feel warm within seconds. The sensation intensified into a violent burning. He recoiled in horror. Then he noticed his friend down in the mind with him he was able to grab stones with. No problem in his panic moss. They didn't understand what was happening. And then just as things were getting too intense. He awoke as moss epeli recovered from the nightmare. He slowly became convinced that he just received a message. from god. In the old testament daniel. Joseph and king solomon all experienced holy dreams after years in seminary moss appealing would have been familiar with their stories and he was prime to interpret his dream. As god's speaking to him moss appealing thought the meaning was clear. Instead of heading out for the minds in hopes of financial prosperity god was telling him to remain in the church where his true purpose was not one to argue with the creator of the universe wikipedia obeyed. He continued his work as a pastor and in nineteen eighty nine the fifty-three-year-old waas epeli decided to travel as a missionary to the remote village of semyon gay. It wasn't a desirable assignment. Running water was hard to come by and the village wasn't connected to the electrical grid. The nearest large town was over. Two hundred miles away and the pay wasn't great but apparently moss epeli felt called and he offered his services. It's unlikely that moss appeal as a rival came with much fanfare but easily slipped into the role and began his outreach. It's hard to say. How many were in his congregation. He had at any given time because the population of the village was always in flux but there were never more than a thousand people despite taking such a big risk in moving to some gay it seemed more so as life remained the same as it had always been average. The church gave him a small monthly stipend and let him live in a modest house built for the area's previous pastors. Everything was business as usual until nineteen ninety-one when was appealing experienced. Another divine dream. this time. it proved prophetic. And it would not only change the course of waspy p life but the lives of millions. He'd come in contact with coming up. Moss appeal creates his miracle cure. High listeners don't forget that starting july first holocaust presents this moving exclusively to spotify find all your favorite specials all in one place to ensure you can still hear this exciting content. Download the spotify app for free. Search podcast presents. Give it a follow and stop engine. That's it we appreciate your loyalty and support and look forward to seeing you on spotify. This episode is brought to you by progressive. What's one thing you'd purchase with a little extra savings weighted blanket smart speaker that new self care trend. You keep hearing about well. Progressive wants to make sure you're getting what you want by helping you save money on car insurance drivers who save by switching to progressive. Save over seven hundred dollars. On average and customers can qualify for an average of six discounts when they sign up discounts like having multiple vehicles on your policy progressive offers outstanding coverage and award winning claim service day or night. They have customer support. Twenty four seven three hundred sixty five days a year when you need the most. They're at their best. A little off your rate each month goes a long way. Get a quote today. Progressive dot com and see. Why four out of five new auto customers recommend progressive progressive casualty. Insurance company and affiliates national annual average insurance savings by new customers surveyed in two thousand twenty. Potential savings will vary discounts vary and are not available in all states and situations now back to our story in january nineteen ninety-one fifty five old on key lay mosit- pele experienced his second defined dream in this vision moss. Epeli saw a young woman. He'd never seen before landing right in front of him according to religious studies scholar. Mika hakkinen gus who interviewed masa pele extensively. As the pastor studied her features the voice of god spoke to him. Give her that medicine of yours. And she will be cured of aids watts. Appealing stood in awed silence. He didn't dare speak. Everything seemed unusually vivid. He'd never forget that young woman's face moss appeal woke from his dream with a start. He didn't know what to make of it. He didn't know this woman and wondered how long it might be before their paths crossed. And if they ever did meet waspy lay wasn't sure how to do. With the lord commanded he had no magical cure. The idea of miracle healing was nothing new to those in tanzania let alone someone of christian faith in the bible there countless healings performed including christ giving sight to a blind beggar. Healing lepers and raising lazarus from the dead so for moss epeli. The command in. His dream didn't seem impossible. He just didn't know where to begin so he continued his work and waited for further instructions from god as the years rolled by and moss appeal got older. His work in the savannah began taking. Its toll. He was no longer the young man who once hoped to gain fast money at gemstone mines. He was well past middle age and the locals had begun calling him bobooh as a sign of respect. The swahili term for grandfather. In two thousand and two at the age of sixty six babu was ready to retire after having spent the majority of his life. Devoted to the lord's work some church leadership expected him to go home to the larger city of vermoti where his relatives left. But instead he stayed put in simone gay but staying in the village wouldn't be easy after he retired. He wasn't allowed to remain in the churches housing anymore. He received a small retirement payment each month. The equivalent of only twenty seven. Us dollars which he used to move into a mud hot. The money was barely enough to live on and with someone gay being so far out of the way it took weeks for the checks to arrive so to supplement. Some of his income bobble began helping out with small building projects around town but he didn't seem to mind he still believed he was following. God's will and continued to have divined dreams then in two thousand nine while at the church's choir practice babu saw something incredible. The woman from his dream eighteen years before he couldn't believe his eyes. She looked exactly the same as in his vision and despite the decades that had passed she was young. Just like in the dream. That night bob who went to sleep wondering how he might fulfill god's demand he hoped that the lord might speak to him again and it seemed that god did in a dream. Bob saw strange man standing holding two large routes in his outstretched hands when he woke up. Babu were the plant roots were from the mubarak tree in rural tanzania traditional healers commonly used the route in soups and drinks as a way to cure headaches and fevers. It's likely that babu new of the plants medicinal use but he'd never heard of it curing aids. He had faith but he still didn't have any idea what to do. His only hope was to pray and ask god for further guidance. A few days later the lord answered in another dream babu saw reddish brown liquid without hesitation. Babu understood what to do. He needed to boil the root in water amazingly one day during this time babu woke up and saw something in his house. He'd never seen before a small plastic cup. He hadn't brought it in sidon. He didn't think he'd had any visitors. Left behind as babu stood there looking at the little cup. He put it all together. God had placed it there to show him how much of the miracle drink was needed to heal aids. Babu said about brewing is first batch of the drink. He took roots from mugabe. Got tree and place them in a pot of water to boil after the mixture cooled. He poured some into the small plastic cup. Then he tracked down the woman from his dream and gave her the liquid. She drank it weeks later. She came back to tell babu that she'd gone to her doctor. Her white blood cell count was climbing and immune system was stronger than before she told baba with that she no longer had aids. That moment likely validated. Every decision babu had made in his life the times of uncertainty in the church his move to simone gay and his resolve to stay suddenly. The hardships were all worth it. He'd found his purpose. God had worked through him and he knew they had more work to do. Throughout summer and fall of two thousand ten babu expanded his operation serving his special drink to more people in the community with hiv and aids word slowly spread to the surrounding areas of babu's purported success at the time an estimated one point five million people in tanzania where living with hiv or aids and they were all desperate not to let the disease kill them as more and more people arrived from the rural outskirts. Babu welcomed them with open arms. Before passing out his era cure he would gather small groups and give a short sermon about the power of faith. He'd quickly point out. That god was the one who made his liquid so powerful after the short surface babu would hand out the small plastic cups. Some people who drank the concoction said it tasted bitter. Were they ingested it. They didn't feel the wave of relief. Or a euphoric feeling. Everything seemed normal but they were willing to give babu the benefit of the doubt. After returning the cups they thanked babu and headed home quietly hoping that the medicine had worked and that was just the start for babu by tober of two thousand ten. He claimed he'd had another dream. This time the lord decreed that the drink could do more than just cure. hiv and aids. It could cure a whole litany of ailments including asthma diabetes and cancer. Bob also claimed the lord told him to charge five hundred tanzanian shillings worth about thirty cents per cup in the next few months. Babu saw dozens of people arrive each day. Most went home to tell their family and friends about the miracle. Cure sending even more hopeful patients. His way in a country like tanzania were in two thousand twelve. One third of the rural population lived in poverty. People were desperate for medical care. They could afford babu's promised to heal any ailment for less than the cost of a can of soda struck a nerve. Many people who'd been hopeless could finally see a brighter future. Babu didn't seem to realize that. He was praying in the hopes of his desperate neighbors. Even though there wasn't any empirical evidence that his miracle cure was effective. He felt steadfast in the belief that he was doing. The work of god in his is the more people that came the more people he could heal. And those numbers dramatically increased after november of two thousand ten when the first large tanzanian newspaper picked up babu story by two thousand eleven crowds from all reaches of the country were heading across the rugged landscape to simone gay and for at least a few of them it appeared that babu's miracle shrank really worked several travelers. Who had diabetes reported that the blood sugar levels were suddenly in check to them. The cemented babu's claims but not everyone was buying it so easily that winter evangelical lutheran church leaders arrived in simone gay. They wanted to investigate. The claims of a retired pastor. Who said he was healing in the name of god when they rolled into town they seemed relieved to see babu an actual member of their church and not an impostor to them. It didn't look like he was taking advantage of anyone. He was only doing. The lord's work. The leaders spent the day with babu out the drink. The end of the day. They went back to their congregations impressed with what they saw. They even told their own church members about the miracles occurring in simone gay. We should note that the church leaders might have realized that could capitalize on babu's popularity thirty cents a cup divided up might not seem like a lot but with thousands of desperate travellers coming through each day. The some added up at some point. Church leaders offered to bill. Babu official healing center then tried to collect donations on his behalf. Bob reportedly resisted saying that this was not part of god's plan but their endorsements only added fuel to the fire. Those who might have been skeptical before were now there things and heading off to see babu as hundreds arrived in san moon. Gay babu tried to maintain his grip on the cure by placing parameters on. It's miraculous abilities. Only he and the assistance he approved could hand out the drink. He also dissuaded anyone from taking some of the root concoction. Back home with them. He claimed it would turn to poison the moment that left the village most dangerously babu claimed that those who took the drink no longer needed to take their medication. He stressed that the cure came from their faith and god was already working in their bodies to eliminate their ailments while these claims wild. No one had any reason to doubt poppel. They believed he'd already cured. Thousands of people from diseases that were once considered death sentences. Unfortunately their faith was unfounded. Many who came to see babu stopped taking their insulin. For diabetes those with hiv halted their anti retroviral drugs which kept their hiv from progressing and from there things got out of hand at first all the exposure was good for bob whose image but it was becoming too much as he became famous nationwide for his miracle cure. Thousands were setting out across the sparse landscape to get to him. They encountered a tough journey into seemingly endless line of cars that ultimately took some of their lines coming up babu's meteoric rise reaches its peak and comes crashing down. This episode is brought to you by v. Eight plus energy in every eight ounce can of va plus energy. You're getting a combined serving of fruits and vegetables with vitamin c b vitamins and eighty milligrams of natural caffeine from t. v. Eight plus energy gives you steady energy. You can feel good about harnessed. The power plants with v plus energy power up. This episode is brought to you by the all new infiniti q x fifty five. The all new infiniti. Q x fifty. Five is a car that defies john ras and expectations challenged the status quo with the only unfinished x fifty. Five this crossover. Coupe is made exclusively for the nonconformists. Those who know exactly what they like and aren't afraid to show it from the dramatic. Silhouette to the eyecatching two tone leather appointed interior and sleek dual screen infotainment system. This is a car that sure to turn heads lead the way. Let the world catch up learn more at infinity. Usa dot com and find your q. X fifty five today now back to our story by late february two thousand eleven people from all across tanzania were traveling to the remote village of simone ghei to reach babu wasser pele. They packed their bags and crammed into rented vehicles joining a caravan of tens of thousands of others. It was a long expedition. It an ideal scenario it would take around seven hours from the nearest paved road to reach the village but with the influx of people making the pilgrimage trek might stretch on for days and require camping on the side of the road in such a remote part of the country. There were no roadside facilities like restrooms restaurants or motels. Once people started their journey they were in it for the long haul for the weary travelers. That made it to babu. The scene look very different from months. Before the pastor used to gather as visitors and lead them in prayer before handing out his medicine but now he operated things more like a drive through. Everything was organized to pump as many people through the line as possible. Babu had helpers combined with trays full of cop says says he poured in the liquid. The helpers went to the waiting cars handed them out then collected the empty cups and brought them back to babu. The personal touch had vanished. But that didn't stop people from arriving in droves even government officials and foreign dignitaries wanted babu's miracle tonic and they found ways to jump the line some days high profile. Visitors flew into the village with helicopters. It's unknown how much babu charged those guests who were able to cut the line but it was almost certainly more than thirty cents and we do know that for those coming from outside of tanzania babu charged a slightly higher fee of one dollar but no matter how many customers served the volume never slowed down as weeks. Pass by there. Were simply too many people to accommodate in a given day. This created a backup on the road that sometimes stretched for over thirty miles. Unfortunately the harsh landscape and lack of facilities put the feeble pilgrims in a dangerous position according to a two thousand eleven report by the boston globe. At least fifty. Travelers ended up dying before they ever made it to the village. Things were spiralling out of control but local government leaders were reluctant to step in babu's business had increased tourism boosted the local economy and provided hope in a place where most people had none for the government. The benefits far outweighed the drawbacks even though they were already regulations in place for traditional healers the government refused to investigate whether babu was following them they also ignored the pleas of healthcare professionals. Who were worried about the patients who had stopped taking their medications. International journalists began applying pressure by running stories about the pilgrims dying in baba's line however the local government seemed to ignore the criticism. Babu was still a large draw and all publicity was good publicity but in light of the mounting issues. Babu himself finally realized that things were out of control. He'd always wanted to help others but now it seemed like he might be doing more harm than good in a new story from this time babu is quoted as saying this is a pathetic situation and something should be done to stem the crisis with babu vocalizing. His concerns reluctant officials coordinated with the former pastor to call for a week. Long pause. i'm pilgrims coming to assemble gay during this break. Babu claimed he and his helpers would set up the appropriate infrastructure to accommodate more visitors without leaving anyone to die in the wilderness to quell some of the skepticism. The tanzanian government commissioned a study to look into the safety of babu's drink they also tested the validity of some of his more outlandish claims about curing diabetes cancer and aids. To no surprise they found the drink was safe to consume specifically in the small quantities. That babu handed out more importantly though they discovered that some of bubbles claims may have actually been true at least somewhat the study found evidence that the key ingredient in the drink the mugabe gotree route had medicinal benefits. It could help regulate blood sugar levels lower blood pressure and treat the herpes simplex virus people with hiv have compromised immune systems causing opportunistic infections like herpes to thrive unfortunately carrying their visible. Sores may have convinced some patients with hiv. That disease was gone in a sign of possible government bias. The report conveniently never refuted babu's claims of curing hiv or cancer for the government. The conclusions gave them the confidence to allow babu to continue his operation. When babu backup in april two thousand eleven he had better procedures in place. Additionally officials levy tolls on the countless vehicles on their way to some gay. The government also made it harder for foreign correspondents to spread bad. Press about babu. According to reporter jesse dukes. If a journalist wanted to receive the drink they were more than welcome to travel to simone gay however if they wanted an interview they i had to apply for a permit in arusha over two hundred miles away. In some cases a government officer was required to accompany the journalists on the journey to someone gay while in town the reporters were allowed to talk with babu. Who seem willing to answer questions but at translators sympathetic to babu usually acted as go between this meant that many hard hitting questions were accident. Louis lost in translation but these measures had little influence on the bad publicity stories continue to be published about the problems facing pilgrims including even more deaths along the road to mugabe some reports even questioned the truth about babu's first healing the young woman who claimed he cured her. Hiv some wondered if the woman even had hiv to begin with by june the damage to babu's reputation becoming irreparable menu had visited by buber discovering that his cure was only a stopgap for the health. Issues those who had stopped taking their medication found their conditions coming back and most were worse off than before for patients with hiv who had stopped their anti retroviral medicine. The results were catastrophic. The virus progress to the point where returning patients to stability was nearly impossible and this affected more than just a handful of people during babu's healing craze hundreds if not thousands of people stop seeing their doctors or taking their medication than without actual medical care many patients whose health was already teetering on the edge suddenly died. Healthcare professionals across the country did their best to stop the damage but it was a nearly impossible task. The most they could do to try to convince their patients who hadn't already seen babu to stay away in summer of two thousand eleven. The news of babu's failed. Miracles reached almost everyone in tanzania and with that the rapid flow of businesses into simone gay quickly dried up. Babu's success wasn't built to last once people discovered that his cure didn't work he had nothing left to lean on. He hadn't used his fame to build a real church. He didn't pedal any or merchandise. After their i drink pilgrims were sent back home to wait for their miracle. without that miracle the public's faith in babu plummeted they wanted guaranteed results and unfortunately he couldn't provide them for mabus part. He didn't seem all that remorseful for his actions but a news crew interviewed him in two thousand and nineteen. He said he had no regrets. He still believed that he done the work of god during the interview. He flipped through the glossy pages of an autobiography. He'd recently released his old weathered fingers glided over the countless pictures that pointed to his success. There were photos of helicopters landing a few hundred yards from his one. Time home in simone gay. It seems that if he could babu would do the work all over again. That is if people were willing to show up according to psychologist and author guy winch. Some people with fragile egos are unable to admit that they've ever been wrong. He writes accepting. they were wrong. Absorbing that reality would be so. Psychologically shattering their defense mechanisms do something remarkable to avoid doing so they literally distort their perception of reality to make it less threatening in this case babu may be looking back on his time as a healer in a positive light to hide the fact that he likely caused the deaths of hundreds while babu might like to see himself as purely altruistic in west to heal his countrymen. He also did quite well for himself financially. He netted enough to move into a full size house and by truck he didn't gain extravagant wealth from his work but compared to others in the area he seemed well off. The craze created plenty of opportunities for other people in simone gay as well many neighbors capitalized on the influx of visitors by opening shops restaurants and makeshift lodgings but there was no happy ending for the pilgrims who were longing to be healed in total. It's estimated that four million people visited babu between late two thousand ten and summer. Two thousand eleven each one of them came because they had hoped for a better future. They weren't necessarily gullible just desperate. Babu's tail is a cautionary one. Anyone can find themselves taken advantage of in desperate situations when the government's institutions don't protect the vulnerable. It paves the way for opportunists to do harm. But these problems don't just exist. In countries like tanzania where the healthcare system is fragile and poverty is rampant. They happen all across the globe. Even in the united states where faith healing met capitalism in the wind project. Thanks again for tuning into colts will be back next week. With our fourth and final installment of our miracle healers special where will explore the gentle wind project in the united states for more information on on being a key. Lame waspy lay. Amongst the many sources we used we found meek of hacking gos- paper baba while lally ondo healing the tensions between tanzanian world's extremely helpful to our research. You can find all episodes of colts. And all other spotify originals. From podcast for free. On spotify colts is a spotify original. From podcast executive producers include max and ron cutler sound designed by anthony vowel sick with production assistance by ron shapiro carly madden and bruce kovic. This episode of colts was written by robert tyler. Walker with writing assistance by mallory. Kara and kate gallagher. Fact checking by claire. Cronin and research by brian. peteris cult. Stars greg olsen and vanessa richardson.

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E144: The Making of Pele

Unofficial Partner Podcast

42:46 min | 3 months ago

E144: The Making of Pele

"Hello and welcome to unofficial part of the sports business podcast. I'm richard gillis today. We're talking about pele. The greatest football ever discuss and specifically the new documentary film of his life released on netflix. This week the film chronicles pele's life on and off the field from his first world. Cup appearance in nine hundred. Thirty eight through the great final of nine hundred seventy period in which brazil move from democracy to dictatorship. An pele himself moved from an unknown teenager to the most famous sportsman in the world out guests of films directors. Ben nicholas and david try horn and we discussed the storytelling challenge in herrin long-form sports documents. The issue of editorial integrity and the expectations we project onto athletes when it comes to social and political activism if you like unofficial partner your love the weekly newsletter which is read by thousands of people across the global sports business and is where we talk about the topics and themes that arise from the 'cause conversations. We can send it direct to your inbox. Every thursday or you've got to do is sign up for unofficial partner dot com. Where you know say. Find our back catalogue of podcasts. Ali slipper has been on. I've been trying get trevor east on. But he won't come on. He's got lots of great stories but shy. Which is which is very irritating. Trevor east east shy as a headline the film. Let's just before we get into the to the sort of detail of the film. Can we get to how it happened over. The ben and i both have been working in the the world of sports documentary filmmaking little wild now and it's a golden period. I guess at the moment for the sports don't commend trait and there are only so many stories and every year another sort of ten fifteen twenty major sports stocks come out. The production. Company initially commissioned. This pitch have caught a few links with brazilian football. One for some reason the conversation got to palais anyway. And i remember. We were chatting entangled. There's never really been i. It's a story that everyone has a very superficial knowledge of and it's one that has never really had definitive and cinematic treatment. That probably deserves a career repeats his stature and so we discussed it with the guys pitch and they were quite cain. And i'm ben. And i will will sort of starting to put a structure together and then one of the executives a page Jonathan rudge's he. And i flew out to new york to meet patties manager in a. I think there was a snowstorm. At the time he was going gonna be a a two day trip for absolutely nothing because we still stood up by his manager on the first night that we actually had breakfast with him and took him through the ideas but anyway went back and forth for probably six seven eight months between pitch between bannon. I between pele's happening has a very small team around him. But between palestine until we find the kind of agreed on the approach. And then i flew out to brazil to chat with pele. Sit down with him. Tell him what we will all plans were unto the workout. How on board. He he would be with that. And that's kind of how it started. And i think our main intention of the beginning was right. We really wanna contextualized pele because people have this very superficial knowledge of his story and because he's always the reference point in the who's the greatest discussions but i guess with time that becomes increasingly irrelevant and so i think the the main idea of the documentary was to show the viewer. He became who he became how he became this. Myth i guess a humanized as well because again with the passage of time we increasingly see palais less as a footballer. More is a guy in a suit at a world cup droll and so i think it was interesting process kind of and share the man behind the maytham and humanize him to the point that we can establish an emotional connection with with the view as someone who's become very familiar to people in some ways but also very enigmatic as well and largely because of the era he played in so we always felt that he was someone as they've said who likes that kind of definitive cultural reference point for a modern audience especially as they've said he's got this kind of everyone has kind of one minute youtube completion in ahead of what pele's life is but not much else so that was the two main things we wanted to do to explain. How does someone become this mythical character. What are the things that needs to happen in brazil and around the world to make a guy come a mythical god almost by the age of seventeen where then crucially also humanize him so. Those are the two main things. Can we explain the myth. But can we also humanize the myth. What would the levers that you had the incentives for him to do it. I think it's probably a case of timing as much as anything you know. He's eighteen now so He has made he's written a few Face he's made. A few films have had release his only in brazil and never. I've never really felt we're up to the standard that the they should have been escape to victory oversleep. Yes scape- escape to victory is yet a different different conversation but I think we made me realize that this is about his legacy as much as anything. He's not he's a little bit more reflective on his life and i think he's. He's very keen to still be part of that conversation. As who's the greatest. I think it gets over exaggerated how we would always get involved in that conversation because i think journalists just asking the same question the whole time and and it probably gets boring for him but at the same time i think he is immensely proud about what he did especially what he did for his country. He's a very very proud brazilian. And i think that's that's kind of how we sold it to him. This was a chance really to show. Future generations why we com. Forget him in the in the conversation why he's still relevant also knew that i think he also knew it was kind of now. We'll never as well. This is maybe in a last chance to cement that legacy and he's kind of fascinating mixture of old fashioned star and also just quite sweet humble guy. But i think he's eighteen now and he's a. He's one of the younger guys in the film so i think he'd reach an age way. He felt more reflective. And and i think the time was maybe him to open up on camera in a way in a way he hasn't done before it wasn't it wasn't just him. I think we're looking a whole generation. Probably two generations. Brazilian is in that era a represented and you know this the likes of zagallo. Who's one full. Well cups Oversee to to manager or management and. He's closing ninety. You know wanna pele. Strike pottery samples continue. We probably get his last ever interview before he passed away. Same with patterson co pass away during filming off the after we interviewed him so it was a little bit of a race against time with some of these guys. But i think it is it. Was that fact that this is probably the sort of last will and testament of an entire generation of players. That i think may might so important. You only have to look at members of the england sixty six team who died in just the past two or three years alone and and you know there were very few survive is now in brazil. Left fifty eight and sixty two and that will eventually be the case with seventeen. So i think it was important to get these guys testimony. While they're all still alive. Mother will still remembering it. What did you learn about brazil. Sixty s what you really is. It's as you say it's a film about pele. Ambu on their relationship between fifty eight and seventy so. It's about his personal identity. And also brazil's national identity because brazil before pele and afterpay two totally different places in terms of cultural national identity and just more generally how they feel about themselves as a country before play brazil is a country riddled with self doubt and he arrives on the scene and says you know what forget about everything before. Just give me the ball. I'm gonna. I'm gonna take care things from now on. And that is such a profound moment for the country that he instantly italians this status king seventeen symbol of a new brazil and he becomes a catalyst in the spark for brazil's golden years. On a thing that's really. There was a lovely mirror when we were sitting down structure the film and we always wanted this kind of time period. We didn't really want to go beyond seventy. We felt once you start getting beyond seventy. The narrative starts going up and down and it doesn't have that natural log that gives you dramatic tension that you need in film like this and at the same time in the late fifties and sixties in brazil. This was a huge cultural boom economic. Boom of which the world cup victories in fifty eight sixty two possibly also had bossa nova becoming sort of music sensation in the world. A brazilian films were winning. The palm door can only things seem to happen at once and then kind of bang in the middle of awesome twelve year time period. A right wing. Military dictatorship comes in and has been set sort of brazilian world. Tease into pele's likes may have this symbolic relationship. Where when pele's on the rise brazil's on the rise when when brazil's onyx knees pilates on his knees and to takes us to our inevitable climax in one thousand nine hundred seventy and i seventy is the crucial thing is. We were saying this. This whole thing about identity. The film really is about identity as much as anything. So pre fifty at you you know. We always think of brazil. Is the country football. That's not really the case. Pre fifty eight and seventy gives pele. That rubber-stamp mortality. But it also gives brazil that that rubber-stamped identity that off to seventy two plus thing people think about brazil was football and that's pretty much down to one guy. We we lights them. We liked this idea that by the time we reach the end in seventy brazil is really on its knees which seems crazy given the it was at the top of the world five years previously. But there's this question in the Brazil get it back compelling get it back kenny. Do it again can remember what he did. In fifty eight why it was important. What it represented. How does he want to remember. But and what kind of country does brazil want to be interesting theme that you brought out with the relationship between him and receive got this vicious right-wing hunter who would take control and quite often looking back. People criticize him for not being active enough or criticizing the regime enough. And that's one of the themes that comes out. I wonder what your view of it is. Because it's really complicated. And i don't know why i think i think we came away thinking and this is and this is something i think we. We came to from spending time with him. I know sir spending all the time looking back at russia's looking back at what he did and what he didn't do but we've always said that pele someone exploded onto the scene in the late fifties and for whatever reason he really kind of suits that time he really understood how to be a stall in the late fifties early sixties. He really understood what people wanted from a star We often compare it to like a hollywood actor from the old studio system. He's got that kind of quality about him so he saw his job than was to kind of turn up every week. Be the best football in the world represent brazil around the world and smile for the camera essentially and he's unbelievable at it. He gives the people exactly what they want. As i say then as the mid sixties come along. I think what people want from a style will demand from a star starts this ship lightly you see people like mohammed. Ali emerge the black power. Sue is at dreux and suddenly. Pele's babe outstep with that time now i we. Don't we try in the film not to speak for him or anything. But i would argue. If you'll pele in everything you touched. His tend to go for the first half of your career is quite hard to sunday. Pivot become a radical figure who's challenging the establishment but i think he rightly or wrongly decides up to now. We're working really well. i'm pele. i'm going to stick to the plan. And i'm going to opt out of this woman may need. I think because he didn't want to but because he found himself going down a path and decides to stick to it. That's who i am. I think it's also important to think about his upbringing as well. He comes from a obviously a very humble background. I'm one thing we pointed out. He very very stable family. Which i think helped him cope with some of the pressures of fame where other players perhaps didn't cope to the same extent. I'm probably him becoming partly establishment would have probably bring the families dream for him. You know that that's exactly what you need to become. You need to become becoming. Partly snobbish is good so in a way he's he's fulfilling What his family. The partha is family. Would've sat out for him and then. I think you know the probably educational rest whether he traveled quips enough. You have to remember age. I think pele's got one of those faces in one of those. Look you know the heck out so we stayed the same. We always think he's about fifty win. The military dictatorship came in brazil. Nineteen sixty four. He was twenty three When nine hundred seventy comes around and we see him as this veteran player one final gunslinger with one final fight. He's only twenty nine so he's he is still very young and then it's dangerous. Attempts always trying compare some civil rights movements or things happening society with the us in the sixties and won't brazil did have movement against the government of course like did they want same extended civil rights movements in america. So that wasn't that same sense precedent. The is a movement. I should get on board with other players making stan no other players who are making a stand even to educated ones. Like till style in the late sixties. No other players were making Wasn't resisting bandwagon to jump on and he probably didn't really have the press players now beginning to see that power the power that they have so much more which is fascinating and it's great but they have had the precedent will their lives they have had mohammed ali to look at. They've they've they've seen the rebelliousness of the maradonna or something again. Because pilot was the first. He didn't have that. I think that's exactly that that the temptation for him to suddenly become will to go from being the symbol of a new country the symbol of a massive country to then become a divisive figure. I felt like an attractive option for him. An honest they've said. Lebron james marcus. Russia these days so many more examples to look to you about. Oh maybe i could do this. Maybe i could do that. Maybe doing this will help me. Not not harm. Might not harm my standing. But didn't have that he didn't have those precedents and didn't have the examples and as i said decided to stick to the program. It's not funny. This isn't justifying told. Because it's it's not something we sought to do we didn't want to condemn or justify in the film but it was the press this week. That was quite interesting. Also by a brazilian journalist who who was talking you know. Demanding heroism with of others. And there's probably we. Arthur thrash saying you know being a reveler hero or an activist is quite complicated thing that said you know we will. We will want our heroes to be radicals but it's very easy to say that from the comfort of our own home and i think he's happy now on the pitch On the pitch pele was king if hit if it been as good off the pitch as he was on the pitch than it had been a god but we convert them than we con expects everything they are criticized for being too quiet and also for being too loud and this is particularly true black athletes actually and this goes back to arthur ashe king criticizing for not saying anything you know we. Now think of our ashes a great sort of political activist and sports star but actually the criticism early on is that he. He wasn't vocal in the same way as we criticize tiger woods or michael jordan in a different context or very you know they appear to be more much more commercially minded and much less about societal sort of causes republicans buy sneakers to etc and pele is a sort of is is a bit of both of those things. There's a brand there. If you look at it crudely the and we've great brands. people always project onto them on prejudices and thoughts and feelings. I'm just wondering what the role television in this story because It's incredible looking at me now but i was too young to remember ninety seventy but i've got such a very vivid memories and i'm just wondering if it's to do with color television just collective memory. Would you think. I think it's massive. I think the nature of the nature of tv and also the nature of fame is so interesting in the film as a few a few shots in the film where you see kind of pele in the middle of the crowd with fans running onto the pitch being yanked pulled in every direction in a way that would just be inconceivable today. He's public property basically at that time On the other hand as you say he someone. That had a bit afford june in his life in terms of just time and time again being the white man at the right time he explodes onto the scene time when. Tv's becoming the next big thing. Appetizing with celebrities to sell products is becoming big magazines. Getting huge to this kind of i. Two a couple of star will time someone with a great smile to put on the front page. Plus travel is starting to become affordable Brazil are able to monetize pele tool the world year after year with him as the kind of main attraction. So yeah someone says in the film. He's a product of his era and somehow he instinctively seems to understand how to work that how to work fame and how to work the media and again as you say he gets really lucky. Again in nineteen seventy would not becomes the first world cup to be shown around the world in color because seeing polite look so majestic in the best of all the time i think is a huge paw off his mythology but that is just his goodful june again so i think all these things come together to help. Kind of perpetuate the creation of pele. I think that whole you know seeing seeing the yellow shirts is huge to the site. Mike is a child of the eighties. I'm that magical yellow show. Brazil was was something so special when you saw the blue shows the white sox and i think everyone around the world has that i think that is down. Seventeen is we were talking about identity again. It's not perfect. Timing that seventy again. By everyone's saying in color it is forging identity in brazil and how we recognize and then the footage is spectacular. The it's so cinematic. The stuff around nineteen seventy is crazy. Yeah i always say. The nineteen seventy woke up and the nineteen eighty-four olympics better than that coverage. Wise footage voice. How do you get the footage. Is it expensive kombi. It's i think there were about sixty five different sources of archive for the for the film which is pretty huge. When would probably dealt with another forty on something that that. We ended up not choosing to use some of that footage. We had a brilliant. All searcher are out in brazil antonio financier who had worked on films like senator. He the big brazilian archival based films And then we had a great guy over the move. She was kind of responsible for the archive In the rest of the world. I'm sort of helping us piece it all together. Unfortunately that's how it is you get you. You approach various archives and see what they have it comes in you. Hope for something incredible. You get disappointed when something average arrives then move on you you keep moving on and you keep moving on sunday with a film like this. I think we said to ourselves one point whenever ever doing a film weather. So much footage from the fifties sixties needed again. I'm so much of its from brazil. We come against complicated can get expensive. Been getting some of the postage. in brazil. Brazil suddenly became the epicenter of the pandemic made life extremely difficult. You have some people not willing to even license their footage some people wind license to the streamers when they know net flicks other people just in brazil where they just simply refuse to license that petition. Already chill why you have these problems on the plus side. I guess some of the first people used to show a lot on film so it looks spectacular. It looks beautiful. Lotta those out. Welcome russia's we were talking about nineteen seventy that shelton filming. It looks incredible The problem is you don't have people with camcorders like you would in the eighties nineties. Two thousand filming everything filming long takes filming with audio so you end up getting lots of little to the twelve second burst. That usually often done sound. And then that's that's very difficult to try and put those little these little fragments of archive together to create kind of coherent scene. It's not just one constant montage and occasionally you have to resort to a bit a montage because you you have no other way of doing it but yeah was. It was the really heavy. The heavy work of project light. This is done in the edit. And so much of that while while the interviews k. In the spine of your film so much of that is is the archive and there's no visual references. That just kind of hit a an emotion that palais showing or or what. What the feeling is at the time we were lucky. I think it's especially in terms of on pitch stuff. We're very lucky to have a pitch behind us. Who a of the experts in the sports rights industry and said how their expertise with that kind of thing. I think made it more a condemnation. Come to this film without doing something like this before. And and and try and work out how to navigate the archives. And i think it would be. It would send you matt is it. You both work full pitch or you. Are you sort of independent production company that work into an pitcher the distributed. How does it just break that down for us. I i went for pitch and so you know recently. Probably in the last four or five years pitches always had a production department or production wing. It has been said it's mania sports rights company but in the last four five years it started to expand into higher end documentary films and series So in the last few years alone We could pick film on. Kenny dalglish Big film on. Andy murray on amazon a couple of years ago a series on newer nothing series on brazil for amazon as wells have pitched sort of expanding into this market and yet i worked for them and ben is independent but benadryl tend to What together on on on films mentioned earlier that this is a sort of golden era for and it's a guess my question is to do with authenticity. There's a range. I guess documentaries from authentic editorially lead documentaries but also go into you know the cricket australia one which i'm hoping you didn't have is it was perfectly acceptable was a viewing experience. But you always felt that. There was a hand of the pr department and shaping the narrative. And i'm a spurs fan. I watched all or nothing spurs documentary. And i came away thinking always being manipulated to an extent. It was quite good fun watching marino girl about the place but ultimately it was a good news story and it felt like a pr led exercise. What do you think about that. How do you deal with that because oversee as documentaries sort of become more prevalent even see that as community just as communication sort of assets. They are valuable. I can see why rightsholder a team would want to do one. But it's a problem in terms of independence. Think i'm i'm a fan as well and i think really got the impression that the documentary's really important to the to the i think they sacked. I got it got to the point. Wyoming stately To get marina Full the documentary. Almost it kind of seemed like everything was built around. Forbid to get the arnold schwarzenegger afoot bull in to help out for the first couple of episodes of the documentary. And i think those first two three really great marina was really into it and Happy to have the cameras in his office all the time. I think when things when the season started to drift of it It may be may maybe lost its footing slightly but i think in terms of you know often it's often. It's all about eve on this project. We have people say you know it'd be great to dance with eight episodes. Something always really comes down to archive really the quality of archiving as you say where the coming from the reason for the archive is and i think the works so well on some of that allows don's because i just had hundreds of hours of some quite independent guy capturing stuff throughout jordan's law season so they were able to go back and forth in time but they always had this footage that hadn't been used before wasn't really done With the club as such. It wasn't a it wasn't a sponsored thing and they able to capture real genuine behind the scenes insight. Something like that. You can really feel that and as you say you can. You can feel the opposite when it's been when when the the hands of the is a old over it i think it's a really good question though about authenticity. And how you deal with it because obviously if you're gonna make it feel when pele the first thing was palace involvement but you're not going to go to say we we're gonna we're gonna take down dot com. You destroy your reputation and he's gonna get past guys you know where where do i. Where do i sign. And that's the problem so you either go. There was a recent tiger woods for a very good recent tiger woods documentary Hbo that was on sky. hit And they had no involvement from tiger or his team or anyone really really close to him. And you have to decide your route. You're gonna go that route. I knew gonna probably get in the inner circle. B be comforting. You can get enough on the outer circle to make to make take down or you gotta go through official channels at the moment you guys who official channels then have this authenticity dilemma. But i think the key thing is you know we. We made sure that pele understood what we were trying to do in our initial conversations And we we. We respectfully would allow him in his team's watch cuts in terms of accuracy that we weren't saying anything completely factually incorrect. You know he didn't have any sign off in how how film was shaped editorially or how it looked even with no one hundred centuries seen it yet so it's it's It was something we thought long and hard about. Because you don't wanna make it hockey over you're going to get criticized and especially when we're talking about making politis more human character then you're gonna have you gotta you gotta show floors everybody's flawed. I'm going to highlight as close as we do in this sort of when you know the relationships and when people accused him of being political at the same time though you wanna. He's your hero. I guess in in your movie so you want to celebrate him. You don't want the audience coming away gun cut. I i- pele and there's always this. I remember halfway through the edit and we switched editors in the new editor came in watch and with being so desperate not to show the sort of double thumbs up to the big smiley politer. We're used to seeing because we wanted to show that conversion of got rid of all the all the smiles and all the human wolves and in that temptation to kind of showing you version of and remember the new editor going yeah. I'm just not warming him at all. And so so important that you you. You still have figure that you're gonna connect to and that so by the time we get to nine hundred seventy. The view is desperate for in brazil to win. 'cause that's the point so it's always fine line where you're celebrating the individual but you're not trying to pray want ninety minutes people god. He was great. He was the best he was the best. It's quite difficult with that when you've got someone so famous for such a long time that they become sort of anecdote machines and they sort of. It's quite go. There's a comfort zone where they go in trot out a story that they think they you want so. Is it just a question of time being able to see it with them for enough time to get beyond that. Yeah because i think after awhile you'll get your dealing with memories of memories of time you know so much of what we were asking. Pele was from fifty sixty even seventy years ago. I think a lot of probably forgotten. Or he's just remembering what he's told people and that's how you remember it so i it's exactly that we have probably the best of eight or nine days with him across sort of two years of filming and with just back sporadically. And you know we all you guys are here again. What what what do we need now would have to assess out the exact same shot so it looks identical which would always take take considerable time and you just days where we know we were pushing and get nothing from him you know. He didn't wanna talk about relationships he really didn't want to talk about politics An and hit hit sort of he might even confuse some of the world cups and some of the memories and some of the stories and you leave that day. Feeling really so downhearted. And how are we gonna put this together. And then you'll have other days where he was brilliant. Really happy to to talk about certain things you know. He might say close down and talk about relationships among before a now he was kind of happy and very open talking about it so i think it is time. It's building confidence. It's getting lucky. And then when you do have that little moment of oh. He's owning up kind of drilling in a little bit more. Probably just wearing him down in the anything. Just tell us. I think that was a big choice. In why remade the film in the style we did. We wanted people. We wanted him on camera. We wanted him talking. Portuguese very importantly we wanted the audience to be able to sit with him and kind of unfilled connected to him But i suppose. Paul job was as they've said in. He plays a guy who since the age of seventeen has had a microphone his face every time he steps out the door so he's probably created a set of kind of stock answers to get himself through these interviews. So you a big part of what we do was spend time with him right down. What through those and then try and get to something authentic. Try and get something deeper to explain to him. We don't want the same old story you want to do. Something different something better for the film for us but also better for him and and his legacy and the the reunion barbecue was lovely yet. That was that was. That was a really nice moment. i think it is quite a melancholy. Highlight we see. An interview is quite at the time and i think it was really important to show him upbeat and happy and i think he's having those memories being apply that there's a little at the end where he says. Don't eat too much We could gain tomorrow. You really feel all of them transported back in that particular moment in time but i think it was a conscious decision and it took. It took us a lot of persuading. He wasn't keen to do that Because he gets emotional. I think he thought saying everyone would make him emotional and we really sort of convince because it. It's again that that sort of the image. We have appellate much. These days is the guest of honor at some function in a suit. Anonymity is very very resilient. He's he likes to wear shorts. T shirts and flip blocks and hang out in his in his backyard and eighteen drinking tropical. Jesus he's he's. He's stereotypical stereotypically brasilia. So we so we wanted to. We wanted to show him with his teammates. One of the boys in that very relaxed environment. And i think what really nicely and his manager since told us that despite taking ages to persuade them to do it Apparently he's still talking about it a year on it was it was still kind of highlight of his. I think so meeting meeting with the boys again. And it's not miraculous thing where you know there's other guys are in their eighties and this was probably you know people talk about the great real madrid side of the fifty s or guardiola's barcelona and the ac milan's even the nineties but that sounds so statement the fifties. Yeah that sounds. We'll stay in. The fifties was possibly the greatest well club side of time and so to have an nearly all of the major players unbelievably still alive so we thought it was really crucial to actually get them all together. It's funny everyone. You talk to about polite and everyone we spoke to on the film will always say oh. He's so humble humble and that was definitely true they went they went lying but he's also the king and he knows he's the king So we always have to remember that dating with one of the most famous men to ever will planet hit So in that sense you'll never one hundred percent. Sure he's gonna turn up. Never hundred percents will how much time we're gonna get never really show how will go down. But sometimes good things come from that and the opening of the film when he walks in for instance is completely of saying okay. This is the first day of filming as soon as you hear the call up putting up outside. Just turn the camera on. Let's get everything. And then he walks in you see that silhouette new seat you get that quite powerful image to not something like that was quite happy accident but speaks a lot. All the kind of prepped. We have to take any chances. It's funny the central thing. As i never realized how much they were sort of harlem globetrotters away. They put them on the road the whole time. It's a hard side to. It's really hard side to kind of do justice from a cinematic view. We found because they Brazil was still playing regional leagues up until nineteen seventy seventy one You know you want to kind of go. Intense won the league We didn't really wanna go down the route of sons on the same palace state championship And then it's been said because they sort of came out with a couple of So early It was one of the reasons we decided to structure the film around the world cup's unless around what he did for the club but the statistics have kind of i think before pele joined santos said one about three regional tournaments and then after it was kind of identity exact statistics but it's something like ten regional tournament seven brazilian two national cups to Doors to well club cups. It's just ludicrous. How his harshest say man because he had some brilliant players around him but he was he was the star manathat fat side. May they will. They will admit it but it is amazing. Man could transform again transformed the club's identity as much as with his nation. We're to think that. Santos almost i think they had to almost take themselves out of. They didn't play the liberty doors for many years because they were on the road so much so they took. They took pele's chance to win. More things away from him by choosing opting to kind of make money so they can play all the competitions and they. They used any spare time they had to hit the plane. Hit the Hit the tarmac. But yeah the central thing is crazy. Really when you think. Back to the back to that. Nineteen sixty-two crumble cup. Final against benfica. When it must have been a real chance for everyone in brazil just the square european for up to south american football and speak so loud to how good pele was the steps up nasa two legged final. He scores two goals in the game. In a hattrick in the second game away and yeah something that you can't escape just how great aside. That was just sort of rich bush's relationship with monday night. He's he's rich. I would say he's not. He's no by today's standards. He wouldn't be he's not name already. She's not he's not a outta messy rich and i think he's someone who by his own. Admission didn't trust the white people host career a couple of times when he was going quite close to the edge had to work his way back up again. So yeah he's he's rich and old money but winds as a rich rich by today's standards. I think i think he gets accused. Often of chasing those endorsement deals in chasing the money. I think one journalist who knows him very well put it really well for us in the in the sense. That pele's known hunger said you know he. He actually went hungry as a kid. Said once you once you've done that then you have a very very different relationship to money and one that people haven't done honda com really comprehend And i think there's probably a lot of truth in that but yeah has been said you know he. It'd be a rich man. I've got no idea how rich you sent me out. you know. We lucky enough to spend time in his current his old home in his accommodate sounds that he's he's the those kind of beverly hills mansions when you're thinking. Oh my god. There's something about that journey isn't a an. It's really moving as you say we call. I can't comprehend living in that sort of poverty. Maradonna film you see where they've come from and just the Adulation that they went through such a bizarre peculiar life but also just beginning with that level of poverty. You just can't get in the head of that can you. It's one of those things where you can't. You can't quite work out. You know for him to come where he came from to become. I'll give you the famous most famous man on the planet at that time during that that the film set is so crazy. But as you say with madonna madonna madonna and other people. It's a similar story. So maybe there's something behind the oldest because of that because of where they come from they know how to fight harder to get there but yeah you always hard to explain how how that can possibly happen to reach the level of fame. He did from from the starting point. He had right just to finish off. I just want to tips from one from each of you about a sports documentary that we might not have seen or listeners. Might not have thought of. I'm going to go with one I've i've often talked about. I'm not quite a sports documentary. But it's tenuous enough that i can include it as a sports documentary Film and i think bbc. I play could minding the gap which is about These kids who who kind of form the basis that friendships around skateboarding and while it's not really about skateboarding tool it's much more about sort of friendships and father's and family It's an unbelievably An emotional film. And i definitely recommend anyone to watch it. I guess i'm gonna go with well. I think the first fill the first documented vessel in the cinema. i think was when we were kings. Which is about them. Mohammed ali's rumble in the jungle in nineteen seventy four year. I guess showed us alre age. The idea that you can tell us sporting story in a really cinematic way on the big screen Recently i saw from so power which is about the music festival. That was that don king per on alongside the bumble in the jungle. And i hadn't seen how things about ten years old. I haven't seen that before. And i really recommend that you're wins if you enjoyed when we were kings and from that era not quite a sport from it's more about the music But yeah i thought it was really fantastic. And if you james brown fran music of everything. I would really really strongly recommend tastic survivor. Surely i'm gonna i'm gonna premiere. I was thinking ep out there now. Less square o'clock tonight. I was thinking more complicated. Banner is kobe on the beach right now. But for the for the big brazilian premier. Now it's a real shame and it's one of those things a we've actually Pitchy supply us with a huge box full of food and drink to to enjoy tonight. So it's the next best thing for sure. Yeah i've got one just got it just got delivered excellent and i hope that there's also some kind of added poignancy to the film at the moment when you watch it. This wasn't something we plan. I think we've become so used to watching games in this quite steroids environment at the moment. So hopefully some kind of overwhelming about seeing pele clay in front of the fans for the fans. Seeing the crowd react to him. I'm watching fans lose. Themselves emotionally during a game of football particularly in seventy john film under that mexican son i think it provides a hopefully an added level of poignancy reminds us that football and sport bring people together like nothing else really. Ain't that the truth. But listen ben day thanks very much for your time. Really appreciate it. Great film and recommend it to everyone. They'll it by the time this comes out. There's only coming out friday. Everyone they have seen it trevor. East martin campaign on. Twitter is is relentless. Thanks richard thanks for having us.

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Win the week ahead in 20 minutes

Before Breakfast

06:09 min | Last month

Win the week ahead in 20 minutes

"Hey listeners microsoft teams is helping priority bicycles reinvent. The way they work when the pandemic hit. The bike shop had closed their new york city showroom. They found a way to reopen by doing virtual visits teams. Now the team can meet with two or three times the number of customers that they could before and people from all over the world can visit their showroom learn more about their story and others at microsoft dot com slash teams. Welcome to before breakfast. A production of hurt radio. Good morning. this is laura. Welcome to the before breakfast podcast. Today's tip is about how you can win the week ahead in twenty minutes by taking a few minutes on friday to think about the next week's priorities you increase the chances of spinning time. Well and the really good news is that this doesn't take much time at all. Over the past year have become a big fan of the podcast. Best laid plans which is hosted by my friend. Sarah hart unger who is also my co host on the best of both worlds podcast. Her podcast shows all the amazing planners out there and she interviews people who have inspiring artistic styles of writing or planner decoration. I love learning about this world. But what i've come to recognize is that planning has a functional component and then for the planner community and aesthetic elegant component. In this way it's a lot like cooking. you can create amazing meals. Study for a lifetime to be a gourmet chef. But you don't have to do that either. Most of us would improve our lives by mastering of twenty minute meals. that will feed our families on weeknights. Same with planning you can create intricate spreads with high end planners and beautiful pens. You can also get a basic notebook. Look at your calendar and do a quick and dirty planning session once a week. That takes twenty minutes. Max that is pretty much what i do on fridays. I sit down with my planner and my calendar. And i think through my priorities for the upcoming week. I list what projects. I'd like to spend my time on professionally and personally i figure out what is already on my calendar that deserves extra attention. I draw up a rough schedule for the week and think through logistics. And then i am done. I often do this while eating my lunch. It's really no big deal. Some people have told me they are too tired to plan on fridays. Which makes me think they've got the idea of planning kind of wrong. Lower your standards and you realize it's not a marathon. It's really just a quick walk around the block. But take that walk friday after friday and the upcoming weeks. Ob so much less stressful. If you'd like to implement a weekly planning session but think it will take too much time. Challenge yourself to set a timer for twenty minutes and absolutely do not spend more time on it than that. My guess is that in twenty minutes. You'll get a lot more done than you will. You'll have a much better handle on your upcoming week. You'll know what's going on and what you'd like to have going on. Maybe you'll send a note to a friend to arrange a phone call or to your spouse to arrange a date night or you'll make a reservation for that exercise class. You keep wanting to try. That is a future fun for your twenty minutes. And maybe you'll see that. There's a big project due friday but thursday is full of meetings. See you will carve out. Time to work on the big project on tuesday and wednesday rather than being surprised by it that is a lot of tranquillity for twenty minutes and so this is a big win when we plan we don't live in chaos or at least that chaos that is always lurking is more manageable. And yes you could spend hours on. Planning he could spend days planning but you can also spend twenty minutes and get a lot done so why not give it a try in the meantime this is laura. Thanks for listening. And here's to making the most of our time. Hey everybody i'd love to hear from you. You can send me your tips your questions or anything else. Just connect with me on twitter. Facebook and instagram at before breakfast pod. That's be the number four then breakfast. P o d you can also shoot me an email at before breakfast podcasts. At iheartmedia dot com that before breakfast is spelled out with all the letters. Thanks so much. Look forward to staying in touch before. Breakfast is a production of iheartradio for more podcasts. From iheartradio visit the iheartradio app apple podcasts. Or wherever you listen to your favorite shows what. If i told you your sheets might be compromising your ability to get a great night's sleep i'm alison howard and i was tired of waking up. Not looking or feeling refreshed so i invented a new fabric. Nulla pele sheets field buttery soft and are the perfect mix of cozy and trust this. Mom when i say the moms in your life would really appreciate better rest this year. Visit nola pele dot com and use code mom twenty twenty percent of all betting now through mother's day.

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'More than just order history': Farfetch's Kelly Kowal and Sandrine Deveaux on the new standards of personalization

The Glossy Podcast

42:10 min | 5 d ago

'More than just order history': Farfetch's Kelly Kowal and Sandrine Deveaux on the new standards of personalization

"Streaming into the glossy podcast. I'm your host. Jill man off and today i sit down with pele koale chef platform officer at farfetched and sandrine devaux the company's executive vice president of future retail as we're coming out of a period where all things digital accelerated. I wanted to ask them about the new competition online as well as the impact on luxury retail overall where will the high spend shopper when browse and by moving forward. Welcome to kelly. Thank you very much for your really excited to be here. So excited to have you and welcome sandrine. Hi thank you for having us today so happy to have you guys what a year. It was the impact on farfetched as a whole was traffic up. Were sales up was a luxury shopper. Spending let's start with you kelly. Yeah i mean. Overall we performed really well as an overall company. I mean nobody ever wants to capitalize off a pandemic. But i think one thing that we were really sort of excited about something that we really championed is keeping our small an actually relatively large size boutiques online and able to to trade so for those people who aren't familiar with fetched. One side of our business is a marketplace marketplace consists of independent retailers online through our marketplace that can reach a global audience and has traffic and sales and so part of the pandemic word to keep a lot of these independent boutiques online and intriguing. And i think that's something that we really focused on during the pandemic on the on the marketplace side and then on the platform side we saw an increase in new clients and we saw an increase in new technology really being adopted as well so overall we were really fortunate to be able to have both sides of our business kind of fire on all cylinders. Yeah tell me about your your job. Your responsibilities platform side you are working with. These brands are coming to you for websites everything. Yeah absolutely so. The other side of our business which a lot of people may not be ask familiar with is the platform side of our of our company and it's called platform solutions and really the idea is that we take the platform that we've built over the course of the farfetched dot com lifespan and we white label and we work with brands and retailers to bring the same technology in the same innovation to be able to run their retail strategy. And i i think the focus at the beginning maybe was more around a websites and apps and purely digital but we're definitely really making an effort to blend online and offline and have a huge part in this is and and i work really closely together and making sure that we're not just thinking online that were really bringing the entire connected experience together the entire connected and retail experience. Because that's actually what customers are looking for. That's what they need and that's what they're expecting so the platform has been able to take all of those. I would say you know. We use your statements or customer statements. And what we've done is we've built that all into the platform and then with one single integration. The brands and retailers have access to all the same amazing technology. We have for farfetched on call. We'll see andrian. You're more focus on the physical retail side. That's what's in my head. Tell me if i'm wrong. Tell me about all that you're responsible for 'cause through it. She's focusing on retail and west future. The future would be so started at chicago six years ago and actually minature rimi twas we need to think about how platform back to its kidney was saying kodak should you make sense of physical space and said to say that you know that the physical space already bought of the strategy when a ceo started the business About even years ago so we call nine to flan and now we actually connect it was amazing products at around the world in petits quizzing boutiques how it connected to a global audience. That's always been kind of really focus for us. And my china enjoy the time is what does that mean from a platform point of view and from a tech point of view. And now can we actually did ever solution showed in a meaningful way for the customer. So they did seen as basically a- a- blocker or something they are asked to do something with integrated into the experience so that's kind of been extra journey of travelers. We started when i started at. And how we have evolved now. Kids team has evolved through how we bring that technology to brands. This is now how we look at attending a much bigger way and how look at online of flying in a blend of both but also the next question around what could next run the digital world. So that's my sort of kind of gary meets that we talk about tweet in all these form and not having that sort of kind of china's specific angle to it. What do you guys think about. Obviously you're both focused on this twenty four seven innovation digital. What's next getting in front of it. I feel like you have a good for headstart compared to maybe some competition or maybe those who haven't been thinking thinking with the digital mindset this whole time but would you say brands and retailers are getting smarter. They're coming into your territory. They are playing catch-up but are you feeling competition. Are you feeling the heat or is it. Just your onto the next thing i guess. How would you describe that kelly. Yeah i mean it's it's it's a question we talk about this all the time but we obviously want to be at the forefront and this is where i spend a lot of our time thinking about what we call the the now the next in the future so a lot of what we've deployed recently is about the now. What is the customer expecting now. Some very much focused on sort of the next in the future so looking at consumer friends and looking at retail trends to try and identify. What is the next and ultimately even what is the future. So i think having our i both on the now and the in the future has allowed us to continue to scale at pace. Were always afraid of competition right. Anyone is in that. That's everywhere across business weather it's marketplace or its platform innovation. But i think what's something that is very unique about our company is that innovation is at the heart of our platform and it's at the heart of our dna. So it's really ingrained in in all of us. And so i think for us to be able to to think about the now there's teams in really execute that but then really thinking about the future allows us to be able to stay ahead of that competition. Anything really unique proposition that have to is that we are very much customer centric. So we're not tech for tech sake so we're doing a lot of proof of concepts and we're doing a lot of testing but really where it comes from is no problem. Statements are things that we're trying to solve for the customer and equally things that we're trying to solve for the retailers so what we find sometimes. The customer demands are way ahead of what the retailers can do. So how do we ramp up amp up those efforts to make sure that we're staying really relevant for the brands and the retailers in the especially the in-store staff as well who are at the forefront of you know the the customer journey. Yeah we'll see android. When i think of the store of the future. The store the future and far-fetched one in the same interlinked. Like i think if the same in my head. What's the story of the future did. Did the last year really changed with. That's about if you had to say your direction and what you're eyeing what's happening there whereas it's interesting right because we've been talking about this for so long about that. Concept of the storm of the future was kind of brands. were accuracy. Well is it like did you screen or is it like you know some sort of task for finger around in a shop floor. I've been one of the most carry thing that it could think about this. What about initially and facetious evolution of retail and how consumers want to shop and what was really interesting. We worked for a long time on this On this problem and how we solve that how digital and physical blending into one and win the Pandemic it's us. We were about to launch over news browns flagship stores in london and And we were all getting the teams to get a kiddie and assoc- of browns. And so can my goodness is still relevant technology and is actually including the customer experience and we realize it's actually on we had actually was accelerating the fact that customers want to be connected in real time in stores who or they've seen online when riding store they want essays and set associated already. Knowledgeable of what they've been seeing and can be delivered is very great recommendation. In a seamless way they want to bring digital into the stores in a unique way right. They have control of what that can buy so all of that was actually really relevant. And that's why to what's killing was saying. He wasn't actually the future. He was a now has as why we just basically said okay. Great like make you tapper at back to your question around the brands. I think for me. What is really interesting today. Is that the fiend to get it and some kind of do more than others. But this i think stuck into their conversion way of thinking of their lack of ability to transform themselves right so they will have their retail teams and digital teams. So for example. What is really interesting is kelly will go and send a solution right until you can probably relate to that but you will meet. Oh oh it's digital right. Yes or no so okay and you have the digital and the retail director guys on talk to each other because they have two different customer bays suffering. What we find out as we were brand is not only about the technology is howie almost becomes this sort of conned of example to them think differently on other look at this new opportunities and he's not necessarily about merge invest is also the ability to really transform themselves internally and i don't think you can probably jump on that but i think we re not during our industry right now. I completely agree. I think it takes a big mindset shift and that's that's part of our role as well as bring sort of the education as well around what the technology can do and what can walk and and how. It shouldn't be siloed anymore. I mean the customer doesn't think online and offline they don't think wholesaler directly owned inventory. Right they want an amazing experience and they want a lot of personalization. And that's where we focus a lot of our time is on personalization with it's funny. Sometimes we talked to brands like. Yeah we do that. We have a client telling app and it's like well no the customers expecting a lot more than just your order history when they walk in the door they want so much more and so the technology that we've been building is really about taking customer intent and actually using real time data in the store which is very difficult and i think one of the things that we used to talk about is how do you take the online experience where we're really good at it right. You've got cookies you tracking. It's it's really easy to do. Personalization online serving up in a relevant content in the moment. Much more difficult to do offline. And so that's really the area that we've been tackling. I would say in the most and over the past year of. How do we bring that sort of offline cookie as we call it to the store to be able to offer the same sort of experience we can online. We have to dig into that really quickly about the cookie. We just had a package. The editorial package unlike cookie pacalypse and what brands are gonna i to do with all these new privacy rules in such moving forward. Is that a big concern for you. Actually not really. Because i think we had always a big principal when we started You know this sort of thing. And i started to talk the sheriff Team saudi to to work together on that is the fact that customers needs to have the choice of all. They want to interact review as brand. So you'd never first accustomed to do something you have to always be very transparent and how you're going to use the data and you break that the immunity or model actually breaks so when we look at what we do. We have always With that in mind so actually. When you are getting into a stores in lebron's you will have emerged for better experience if you don know the browns. Because you know that's exchange of value you download the app you can have that personalization and this is of where you feel much better. I never much more enjoyable experience. But if you don't want to download the app if you want to be known that's okay. You don't need to. And i think this is of fundamental principle on. How brand will go around these phone. Privacy issue it's transparency to customers. What is the value. They will get by doing x. Y. and z. And if they don't want to it is case. Some won't someone's i mean you know. It's the same as you log on the website someone to use your guest checkout someone to actually check out completely. We've we've a full can of profiling. Because they know they will get better service afterwards. So that's actually the same principle and what we've noticed when we be testing for customers. Actually what. Kenny was mentioning the technology to get that of data and complement online customer. Love it because what they go on their phone. Ease that ability not to take them picture on their phone now. They go for the read. Write the product directly on their wish. List what is find out. She's actually the product appearing on their is what browse around in store then this phenomenon that content about how to sell the product a new emerging brands. So he's not enriching the journey. I think this is what brands needs to understand. It's not about illegal place about the customer keeps control in this new day. Especially we've actually yonkers run right and the teens and keeps you. Keep that in mind throughout whatever things you do and your k. and it's very issue i think i guess probably quite all way of thinking is gloomy. No if you have that transparency. It's okay and kissed him understand that right on will you mentioned that personalization and kind of supplementing. Maybe what they were looking at and having them discover new things. I really wanted to ask where you guys think. Discovery is happening right now for the customer. Is it on instagram. Is it on where they're shopping in store. How would you. What would you say kelly. I mean i would honestly say it's everywhere and that's really vague answer but i think that's the part that is something that we're gone so much is the fact that there's this whole blend of your your lifestyle and so yes discoveries happening on instagram. It's happening in store. It's happening online. It's happening on your competitors is happening on different. Different is happening in real life and so in the street exactly. It's even happening literally. Virtually i mean in in in video games as well right like all of that is something that we're looking into like there's a whole virtual world that we now need to be exploring too so it really is everywhere and i think that's the point of sending retailing in all its forms an everywhere where retail is because the customer is everywhere and they're getting their inspiration and they're getting their discovery and You know and. I don't see that that is ever going to go away. In fact as you know as we become more mature and as new things are constantly popping up. We just have to stay on top of those trends meeting the customer where they are. What does that mean. now that they're everywhere in discovery is everywhere. Does that mean a larger staff. Does that mean what does that mean for. You join to go ahead good injury. Well don't think you can keep is back to what i guess. We're talking about the now. The next sunday future so just be really present. What they want today. so you know. I think that's the no brainer conversion on nine of flying now you already event diggity and bringing your sort of physical expands to the digital journey so kind of where we are. We have been investing alert around virtual. Try on and hold the sort of augmented reality technology that you fit into your digital experience. Because today's quite boring right. Its website not tweeted. Our apps are not really that exciting anymore and vice versa. That's what we are doing. Is bringing that digital technology in the physical space as we are discussing and fedspeak and then i think the second thing is as we are exploring and as a as a company we would need to explore new type of avenues on our customer which up in the future so this is kind of where we have teams looking at what the customers in two thousand twenty five. We've we shop right and taking risk of doing of of of concept and buckling startup in so many different ways and and the digital of juicy. Something which is a big interest for us because we know that the new generation is actually one digital products that digital twins before they won't physical product right or they would want to basically trade just products on the blockchain of marketplace before they actually start to own anything so physically. So i think it's almost sort of kind of two ways we look at. It is very practical today. Way on helping to brands with what we need to have. As of now and this is kind of what kid is team is really focusing on and my team is looking at. What's come next and now we can explore Stuff of trends and weaving that it's sixty new technology and we know one out of ten. We only work and one out of one hundred but because reality company and we can take risk can read this investment on the background to supervision. We have the best place to do that within the industry more than one brunswick do because plants called do that. Right is very different. Skill set and talent need to pull for days so that would be violence. Sir i dunno kid if there is any way you see about it differently that i think that was an absolute brilliant answer and you know i think for us to work. We're also looking at the way that it you use data in in a really sort of clever way as well right so that you don't have to have teams and in armies of people so instead you're using customer intent to really drive any sort of like algorithms or any sort of personalization or any sort of recommendation so that you don't have teams of people behind but after using the data that the customer is willing to give you to actually really curate their experience in a real time way so that that's kind of also we're looking at it. Who would you say is your competitor. Now maybe your biggest competitor. I would think that obviously like like we talked about luxury. The luxury brand has been holding tight to their traditions may be slow to go digital but also so many brands moving to direct to consumer and also so many marketplace's popping up and also amazon and also facebook anyway. They're all your competition. Where do you is the brand the biggest one so no not not not even i was not even remotely and the reason i would say this is because i think there's two parts of our business and actually the entire company we want to be the luxury platform for the luxury industry. So that means that the brands clients what we're what we're doing is to help them grow their digital strategy and we're helping them transform and so for us that means if they wanna partner with us on the marketplace that offers them a new way to experience new customers new traffic new territories in an easy way to sell but then on the platform side they can partner with us and we can drive all of their digital technology and their platform to be able to have an amazing online experience. Amazing off-line experience in an amazing connected commerce. I would say the brands are actually the our partners and that that's kind of how we look at it. I think it was really interesting in the technology. Space is that the actual industry is very fragmented so one of the things that sandrine did very early on is is recognized how fragmented it what so you know you might have a company for clan. You might have something else for your digital displays. You have something else for your connected mirrors but there was no one in the market that was actually really bringing this together and looking at it to be. A more cohesive integration for the brands and the retailers and so. I think that's really where we spent a lot of time at the beginning was to say we could be your one partner and we can help you both online offline connected and so i would say for us. There's lots of competition as you said as you rattled them off of we think of them all is competition but more also around the fact that it's the competition but in in in a slightly different way because what we're really focused on is also the luxury consumer journey which no one's really sort of honing in on that specific journey and it's very very different journey and he's off as well to get from the brands. The trust on that. I mean we work with from however it to chanel. Brands are not giving that trust easy. You have to prove yourselves. And what's happening while we always been grad blend between fashion loves tech and text fashion right and this is kind of we have. We have so many polarities at farfetched people also tactics of very creative and fashion and actually the war of of that we bring up the standards to get us then when we talk to brands. Deputy trust us because they know we understand you know other quoted experienced french the experience on payments and this is true right and we do get it at the same time also get complex integration when it comes to how we actually inc all of these different systems together and what you know platform needs to do so. I think this is why i don't think he's competitors out there. What also is always a bus important on friday is always to be at the forefront because we have distract this industry in a really positive way. We don't want to be disturbed by someone else so we are. We need to go fast and always to question we do back to the ship is we are talking about before right on anything that has sprouted up in the last year everybody was really jumping on the livestreaming trend and everybody was really jumping on. I mean virtual stylists. I know that you guys teamed with wishy who we just had on the on the podcast and they were so fun but anyway anything that in the last year maybe some new technologies that either you know you want to discard you. Don't think it will stick or maybe things that you really embraced in the last year. What happened where can not interesting. Because companies wrecking tons of startups. So as being a very interesting way using leveraging opinion ovation on how can we extend the capability of a platform right. We don't build auto technology ourselves the beauty of tapping into the cushy tech ecosystem is they can you provide new innovation. Also reading customer transform now for the next eighteen months so what has been happening is actually deny team was already looking about digital fashion and that opportunity around how consumer could trump digital fashion. And we did that very early. Stage a lot of research and a lot of thinking around virtual. Try on right how you could use this type of technology to it. Something quite emergency and remember actually to an for years ago. Really kind of struggling with augmented reality was just not right. It was hard to find a use case. Technology wasn't treaty It was it was key and when it's given me key for us he's just not the right thing to do. And what if you got over the last eighteen months. We saw huge addition of technology. Now the quality of the chicago padres is absolutely studying. Sotos digital free asset is amazing and then of his tea consumers are really getting into this right. just love it did. We did We started with trainers and sneakers. We moved to sunglasses We not doing fine jewelry. What she's And and what twelve finding is that huge adoption of its technology. And that was. I think about of being much more kind of playful during the pandemic. We needed that experience to be more cool and more exciting and engaging and so that the technical trend has been really accelerating. So i think for me. It has been very interesting within the length of eighteen months. How the virtual try on trend as a way to solve. The problem of customers wanted the product here and want to try to on. But you you know. It's not really out there. So that's been actually really interesting to see that as a huge piece as a learning curve. Right and obviously. Back to your point. Ronn wishy i mean you know. Great work ritchie. I mean we've done Pity create pilot with them and really really for us. How you bled the human interaction of personalization and recommendation. We've and we've data. Is kitty west seeing to make you know the line can of vinyl recomendation fed into our ai. Engine advisors side goes by kane. And that's sort of kind of we have working and actually services has been really interesting five. Ap's custom up. And i wouldn't even say with the virtual triumph something. That was what i really liked about it as well as something over the past eighteen months. It's comes relates imbalanced. But we're actually all also using it for a different use case too so if if you we've just launched the browns brickstreet's you can see all of our technology but on the browns act you you can try on watches. Virtually and we were doing it in the store and i was. I can't but they're in the store the physical. Why would anyone be using virtual. Try on in the store. Sundry with like you have it. You have to think that most of the retailers don't have all of their inventory in their store so if they only have twenty percent of the inventory in the store and the rest of the eighty percent isn't a warehouse where not attainable by the customer to great way to actually show the full catalog as well so we were watching people use the virtual triumph for a watches and it was amazing to see it. Come to life in. You would never think why. Would i put virtual down in the actual physical space. But because it's come so far you can actually start to use various use cases so it doesn't just solve an online problem anymore of. How is this going to look me. It's now solving a retailer challenge as well where i don't have all of my inventory in the store. So how do. I bring this to life and explained that i was like that makes sense. Go thanks to add a good idea. But this virtual trianon all of these new technologies. Is it an awesome opportunity for data collection. And are you a giving that data back to the brands to say you know. People are trying this on and it doesn't fit or they don't like it. Or what are you doing with that data accidentally. I mean data really is sort of the key to unlocking all of this and we are unveiling a new technology in our store in roughly about q. two q. Three in its the farfetched. Smart tag and sundry and i'm not sure if you wanna sort of give a little bit as an overview. I took your baby. She got into. You know he doesn't Doesn't leave me. it's always said we'd be. Yeah we'd been actually we've been Small tag is being the the challenge. That kidney was mentioning around how we kept shahal. That daytime stores for from the customers. Gettin- how the v. politics and how we can brands can actually comprehended profile of the customer. The one nine. That's eight so we walk with. Startup is bought about pretty ovation for for about few years. As at indy efforts. So that kind of exploration is we cut it I was on so people start on which we have actually invested afterwards and a great example on how we use up innovation to kind of create products. And what that does he's basically would be on each of the clothes in garments lsu to try to protect moving from within the rail you typed shoot. Tweeted us to try to put agreeing from durant defeating wound fitting into the -til asa kind of you know the the branch physics view of what the customer is doing. So much of that data back to customer accounts and then What you can do is your bras overseeing before you can start you know adding product appearing on your on your browns apso without huge taking the picture like you all of that product and indicate picture any offers you a lot of different digital content. That could be associated with a new designers that you have no clue about. So you know instead of going back to google and just searching for new designers. That's all immersed into the into the browns app and also it can be useful for for detection of this security tag since week. Exciting because i think also you know quite frankly when you look at the technology like that right you have to. You have to work with the supplier to designer tag which is actually looks good. Looks nice so we've spend a lot of time in terms of our team. Designing that piece of hardware to making sure looks looks exciting for brands. Because what's happening. They don't like security tax. Quite a renter's that's why they don't have some. They have someone insurance taking it so excited about decide because so much opportunity for brands. But it's also solves this challenge. We had around offline data. Which i think we'd compliment that really incredible connected journey that that kidney was referring to and then all of the brands have that information readily available so literally what items are being picked up and actually moved to address her. So it's almost like mirroring what you can measure online so you know from a product detail page into the shopping car into an so by actually being able to mimic that. They had the full spectrum of what their customers are engaging with everything. I know that the browns is at brook street. Is that recently opened. What are you finding in terms of. Is everything really intuitive in in terms of the technology our customers having to opt in and try things like what are you. Finding in terms of the i guess interplay the the willingness to i don't know in the game say engage. I think for me to be a nice. What i found what i'm most proud of except effective always beautiful detect communities so good an easing visible is our. We have worked seamlessly weave retail celestial sheets. And how the technology for themselves i mean. This is the biggest challenge of any retailers. Today in how they deemed for their staff they becomes a sort of the desert is becoming zoos. Infringers community managers. And that's the reason why you're going to store to store case so you get into that that books restored and you were welcome with with love and warm by by that team and you browse and you do whatever you want to end. This is as they engage with you during the process that you start discovering what is there. It's not opinion face back to my point. Katie not seeing. Can you have come no no. He's not. That is old riven by usa by disassociate and this is what the engagement is so great and what they are amazing at an f. ing the work we had to do between the bland of technical skills set and and sort of kind of retail skill. Set is how they understand using their emotional intelligence that you want to give you might not want and this is why you know we have phenomenon resort and okay if you want to share that finn result on. The armored at technologies driving incremental saddened that all. Yeah absolutely so even just looking at the engagement metrics people who are engaging with you the connected mirrors and engaging with the sales associates and engaging as they come in they have their open and they basically have their wishlist fall. And as soon as you walk in the store you can go into in story mode and basically it shows you. What's in store what sizes that can then. Easily be beamed to the in store sales associate. They have in store app. And all of that communications there and it's it's not that they're not talking. They're they're talking about other things but in the background. Basically you the dressing rooms getting ready for them like silas are pulling in new. Looks and it just yeah. It's it's the engagement that we're seeing an end. The uptake of what people are adopting is is is incredible when we look at the numbers. Got it moving forward. To what extent would you say that online ecommerce is going to be the go to for convenience. It's the convenience play and in store is going to be about. If you actually like want the experience you wanna do something. I guess in quotes. Is it going to be split like that. I put opponent not as kind of blunt as that you know i think for sure we learned so much from the live i mean especially if independent me like the beauty of convenience from amazon orders arriving every single day at two and we used to that we used to be able to. Now we want something we like online wants to get it tomorrow right so i think definitely thing for me like you know what i look at luxury luxuries time and we don't have a lot of time so having things fast and i think in denver witty Whenever i need is actually the new extra for sure and this is kind of where there is almost sabbarra that okay if he thought about online dance. Total dead bestow. Actually i'm not dead souls need to win vandam selves. And that's why. I think thinking about a retail stores. We talk about like a theater. We talk about like brennan. Expression plays where foster beating immersive experience that actually dwell you into the stores and you stay more than just an hour the next twenty minutes and what we are seeing is actually kissed him without outgoing installs less to only browse but also to browse with the purpose of shopping. And then that's because of shopping. Is the nasa be mehrabad. Es to be linked to something which is unique to you makes you feel really good which is linked also to all of that. Sustainability kind of feel is so important to consumers analysis shop. You know consciously today. So i think the big thing you know for me's how brands really understand the role of their retail footprint. And really think about the different ray and you know having a flex cheap enough new montano or bond street. What does administers new world. Now right it doesn't mean that much to this back to my point on the younger generation. So i think this is probably what we're going to see him quite fascinated to see how brands will really think about the role of their stores in a very different way. Because you have to. That's a customer wants. will. I think that's exactly it goes back to what to this customer one and you know. It's experience is convenience is personalization and for me. It's choice like like sundering getting loads of packages every single day embarrassing. I know my dhl driver's name. But i was talking to a friend the other day he was like a can't handle online shopping anymore. I just wanna go physically in hamburg returns. I can't handle the packages. And i understand and you know it's funny. We had an event are luxury taliban last week. And you know. I haven't personally got dressed for an event a year and so it was like what am i gonna wear but what i wanted to do was actually go into the store and having experience and you know it wasn't enough just to be able to shop online. I did my research online. I put my things in my wishlist. Myself associate me and it was great. Is that you know. They had a flavor of what i was looking for but rather than just relying on that they were able to use that to pull in other items and it was just so much of a better experience than me ordering zeno a few things in not working sending back and so for me. It was the choice and it was. It was such a beautiful experience and it felt really good to be in store again when you talk about this customer and this customer wants and being i guess. More digital savvy are you. Do you have the gen z customer in mind the digital native the is it just about a digital savvy customer because that's who we all are. Now who are they well. I think it's quite a diverse publicly talking about right and we have not of that. Defend predict in traffic dot com. I mean obviously. It's it's a of digital savvy audience and we've got also a lot of that. Jane said especially from different territories. If you think about a china nutrition is actually quite big for edge so the very interesting base from which we can learn from the thing for me. I always talk about. Did you told state of mind. You know the millions of mine. Even if you're over your forties fifties. You always think about that. You're about being connected. You're about adding that exchange of value. The idea of ownership does not mean as much as they used to and. That's where the concept of sustainability and prideaux preowned. So important. so i think for us we. It's really how we do our customers all of these forms and what's interesting with off edge as a as a destination is because of the diversity of inventory to diversity of where we are we can actually talk Different ways and From that from tech front of you we can learn around our we start back to the phones. Kenny was making we we. I mean i purpose in relation. Suppressant on is that we can talk to any single one of them. Yes the last question at kelly l. Ask you moving forward this year. We talked about kind of giving the customer. What they're looking for. Maybe solving pain points for that shopper. What are you what are you looking to solve. what are you looking to. How are you looking to elevate the experience. So i think for for us again it goes back to the now the next and the future and what we've just failed in. Bronze brook street really focuses on those pain points and for us. It was more about customer recognition. So how do you recognize me as a customer. When i come into the store. It's about product recognition. So what sundering was talking about with the farfetched smart tags it's about blending. Both of those to create hyper personalized experience in store. One of the things that we've really been focused on our payments and promote payments. So one thing that we've really seen throughout the pandemic is obviously people are traveling. People are traveling stores are closed. So how'd you them still have the sales associate being able to continue to speak to their their clients. And how do you still have that sort of connection in payments of really big part of that. It's a topic that most people don't like to address because it's complicated it's tricky. It's i think people don't think sexy but actually this is something. We've been really focused on for the past year because it's it's so important and so what we've really focused on is you know. How do you still give it a great experience to the customer through remote payment. So you know as easy as sending a link through whatsapp or a lead through text message and have all completely secured once you check out then. It's basically in your account you have your order. Your essay has your order so bringing that full sort of experience and not It's really interesting. Because i think during the pandemic we didn't necessarily see new trends per se but we saw the existing trends be massively accelerated. That's really where i think sundry and was mentioned at the beginning. You know when we re looked at what. We're opening up into the browns butchery store. It was all still incredibly relevant because what we have been focused on was the solving the customer challenges. Those customer challenges didn't change. They just became much more at the forefront. While you're right not sexy but timely we will end on geeking out totally you guys. This was so so fine. Thank you both for being here. Thank you for us. It was amazing. Thank you thank you great. Thank you so much. That's all for this episode. Our theme music is by otis mcdonald. If you liked this episode be sure to share it with someone else. Do you think would thanks for listening to the glossy podcast.

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18: Love After Lockdown

Mouthpeace with Michael Bennett & Pele Bennett

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18: Love After Lockdown

"Wake up. Wake up a wake up. Wake up a I said wake up. Wake up you're listening to mouthpiece Michael Bennett and Pele Ben. Hello who are tune into mouthpiece this week this week we have an interesting subject. We'RE WONDERING HOW WILL AMERICA DEAL WITH? Come BACK INTO SOCIETY. Everybody's been in their own cocoons for two months and we've seen what we thought was essential what was important to us. The value of different things have went up and went down and now we feel I feel personally that people are going to have a hard time going back into the workplace going back into different areas because also the communist. The safety will we was regular. Safety is not gonNA seem safe to anymore we talk about the NFL Games. Talk by going to the movies I mean. Movies is an American pastime. Going to the movies and having a great time know movies is Michael's pastime. Something you love to do. I mostly watch my movies. I have my own home but It's going to be different. It's going to be different. Actually I'm were because in my class. The other day we were talking a lot of students were saying like they all had these different things that will build these berries up that they didn't have to deal with certain traumas right like student. She was saying that education was her blocking important. It was like it was the black of a nerve that makes to arm Phnom and makes her so now had to deal with the issue that she was doing with her family and when was taken out like when the things that we've seen is very were taken out and we have to face our issues and face ourselves and others who knows what we're going to look like. Do you think the society is GonNa Look Different? Do you think is going to stay the same or you feel like people are going to have to do a lot more trauma allow more disorders or a lot more. How do you how do you? I think a what she's saying. It also makes you reflect on other people in who they are to you and what role they play in your life and I think all of that is a full circle till you have to really create your bubble again. It's like wait. What am I doing? What am I doing literally in life? Am I doing with my family? What am I doing with my job career? What do I wanted to continue to move forward especially for this young person's career also because I everybody has their own social value to like we were talking about like people have their social value on. Internet have their social value to have their space and when they in their place they feel so valuable when they taken out there place the not as have the myself love as they thought they did. I take a lot of people are dealing with the issue of not having as much love for himself so they thought I was GonNa say I think more love for yourself because you're talking about social you know having attention socially than I think it goes kind of hand in hand because it gives you a creative space to be social but because people are able to maybe like something oh social or give a comment of judgment you know you have a lot of people commenting judging you and then you turn around and it's like wait. What about yourself? What did you say the other day you said one ear students Something about them being alone. She says something was so profound but so simple. She's like if you don't like being alone looking to mirror check while you don't like being along with that person and she was really talking about. Why didn't you like looking at yourself? Why don't we like being alone? I think being home now needs cocoons with have an opportunity to really hibernate and really dig deep into our self awareness and really figure out. Why have we been loving are soft is like everybody's been dress themselves up to these different reasons and like you said you close is value anymore because we're not going anywhere it's like your car doesn't matter because you can't drive you know and it's like you have to really do it yourself and I think if we taken out of our social spaces realized the value of the things that we are placed in front of Dillon with our past has really just been buried his whole time because something you said a your students said do I like myself enough to be alone with myself and I remember? I was thinking about that. Because I'm like well. Yeah you know you can be alone but then I was like I guess that's true to an extent because a lot of people like the energy of people so you do like to be around people but tap to isolate yourself and be like a lot of people don't have family or friends are staying home alone by. That is a lot to deal with in your own mind and only your thoughts are coming along. You don't have that outside space sorry. I'm pretty sure that's probably why social media is going crazy. I've even gone a lot more than I usually do. Just because of the extra time could be for extra time with me because you know Michael. Does versatile decided to get an xbox not one but two and he decided to play to K. Madden NFL. I don't even know the titles of these Games where minute extra time is going. Nationwide Video Games not true. But that's okay because that's what you like to do in your own time. Most video gamers on what you know what it comes down to like also the other day in multi king talking about it but then we were we. I was reading. I was talking about the different types of love that the Greeks believed you know the Greeks were supposed sophisticated right Like with social media is like is the love this car. Eros Eros erotic love. The love is connection to sexual passion and is seen as strong as physical or emotional attraction like the whole world like when it comes to social media and sell value. We're so in love. With the physical way of people people look on their what they're doing attracted to it and we so emotionally attached to it that we start to base our desires on that beauty and this is what he's talking about is that you start to love something. Zodda and you start. The base desires and your focus is on the individual says vacation of the manifesto an emotional involvement only based on certain factors and characteristics of the individual of the and the characteristics factors disappeared. The love would be broken. The low only wants to receive with others can't supply and that's really that's that's of how the where we are right now because we really haven't had a chance to love ourselves really weird you so and I guess because we're living in a world where everything is pitchers and everything is like instant and it's like people do fall in love with the way that things look like people who fall in love with people on Internet that they don't even know or they just go go crazy and why do all kinds of husbands and it's all because something that they seen and has become this individual desire to have that and I feel like we all have become so we desire so much that other people are doing other people have that we don't desire ourself no more because other people's individual characteristics seem more valuable to us but we were talking about like how like every day you wake up every day. Your mind is infiltrated other. People starts doesn't matter how as soon as you you look. You look at instagram. Before you could form any bar somebody else already want to talk for you so I actually have all of those on my phone. It's like a daily thing I think because we're so stuck in our bubbles. It's like to figure out what's going on. You do almost have to read every source of news. You have to talk to friends and family because the news the way it's circulating. It keeps changing constantly daily. So I don't know what the Hell is going on. It keeps changing so I do watch the news. I think what you're saying is that I feel like I'm an old lady or old couple because in the morning I do read my news first and then I'm like Michael so this is what I read here. This is what I read here. You know and then we start talking about it but I could see how that could definitely put thoughts into your head on that. Whatever the newses gold. Because that's why I think it's important to read different sources of news and Harvey you get your information so that you can. If it's not factual you can come up with your own opinions and thoughts but also having conversation with someone like me and you talking about I think is important because you're by yourself and you're just you know thinking about you don't have someone saying no that can't be true or did you read something else or I thought something else. I think it's important to have that dialogue with friends family. So that way. You're not going crazy. You know you can kind of stay sane but having information going back and forth because not all of it is true and some of it needs to be talked out. But that's what I'm saying. I'm saying that most people fall in love with something that they don't even know what they're perceiving is really factual whether it's the ways there's somebody look the way that their house. What happened like people? Don't really know about it and like so. We've built so many ways to not be happy with ourselves and be happy if we had that if I had what Kim Kardashian had I'll be happier for had Bill Gates had ahead. I'll be happier life and now we're home realizing like doesn't really matter what they have because they're dealing with their own thing and even though we can look at stuff inform our opinions right off the bat because if we look at on social media we assume that everybody's happy right. Nobody GOES TO SOCIAL MEDIA. Blood fucking hate myself hate my life. My wife doesn't love me. My kids hate me is like nobody's GonNa go. They'll take a great pitching using social media for their outlet. But that's not a healthy way to let out your thoughts and whatnot when you're suppressing your anxiety depression. Whatever you're going through and that's why I think that I'm worried about how America the climate of America after all this pandemic because it's going to be a lot of self salvation a lot of revelations to people that they seeing value. I don't know if people are going to be working the same. The output of America's workplace might be different now because people might not see work is being as valuable as it was before so many people are at home working and a lot of friends and family are homeworking. So that gives us more time to communicate more whether it's on phone email texting but it's kind of interesting because I'm like well. That means a lot of the jobs in. America. They can be at home. Which for me is more thinking of having time to be more saying having time with your family having time in your home is like almost your time for yourself so I feel like there is new ideas on what that would look like moving forward like. Can you do your job from home? But of course it goes. Is your home a healthy place because everyone is different nearby home is different but I definitely am worried about the psyche of each individual going back into America because even like for example is like. We're talking about the movie theaters now. Going to movie theaters. You gotTa Wear Mash. You gotTa be far distance from somebody if you go into the restaurant like kindergarten a Bar. The Strip clubs are going down. It's like it's definitely going to be a different America and I wonder how people are going to deal with not being able to have the freedom that they used to have is going to be a lot of people who are either going to be rebellious people going to follow than I am. But America's built on a revolutionary spirit from the beginning. Because people think you know. Look at the what. America's supposed to be people still keep those the hold true and dear near today heart the bill of rights and the Constitution. Even they don't follow it but as individual people don't want any of their rights being suppressed and the fact that they might not be able to go into the movie theater not be. Do this do that. A lot of people are going to be happy even more because now when they said it's going to be safe to go out and they're still going to be stipulations. People aren't GonNa like the way things are going to be in the future because new laws are going to be created and policies are going to be created. There are so many new things are gonNA come out of this. I think that is so important for you to figure out yourself and your family so when you do go out into our new world because we don't know whether it's going to look like is like how you going to adapt to it because they are going to be that we're not gonNA WANNA do. I think there's going to be even more of that in there. It's going to be new laws that affect different communities in different ways and that is going to be more of an issue. So it's like how do we adapt? And how do we really come into this where we can actually help change mold? What do we do moving forward when there are things that are gonNA place against us? Stay with us. We'll be right back at the short break. We're GONNA go have some drinks or something. Jeffrey second life full of Tuck choices and tradeoffs your beauty routine. What you put on your body everyday shouldn't be one of them given what's going on in the world. Why not focus on your skin and health? Self require compromises when it comes to choosing safe and effective skin care products. True botanical product can becoming during the stressful times in our delivered. Straight to your door build with natural inorganic ingredient true botanical skin and body. Products your result without talk then so you can feel good while working from home. 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Virgin it can lead to an overbearing amount of self importance while healthy veloce tends to be more connected to self esteem and empowers the individual. What does that mean to? You might call. It means that it's not really about like highlighting ourselves to like seem so important but to really empower ourselves in a healthier way like really going out to really achieve the knowledge of ourselves right. We're really makes us happy. Where really makes us tick? Is it really putting the pitcher on somebody? Liking Twenty Five Thousand Times that makes us feel important or is it being able to look in the mirror and say. I'm really happy with the person that I'm looking at. I'm really happy with the things of dillwyn. I'm really happy with a trauma face and I think a lot of times. That's what we're going to be looking at in the futures. If we can go home they come out as America and I think it goes to different things in America to think. America has to face now when we talk about individual but America has a lot of his own self love that it needs to really go back because we America's really been focused on the obsessed self-importance low where like each individual cultures more important than eggs or does it like America seems more divided than ever right but Dan is like America. It's really hard that self important love and really the healthy love. America's deal with the trauma of his Perez and it has to do with the coaches that is taken advantage of the different things and really recognize their contributions to American which is made America what it is in the twenty first century and I think America so divided. We look at some other countries. There's a sense of like you day. Love love love everything about it. They love when people talk about it. They're ready to go fight for whether Italy whether it's offer France or somewhere else but America lot people will denounce America a lot and say. I'm out that America so I think a lot of a lot of us have a lot to do in really face ourselves as Americans citizens as you look at the president and we say that eighty seven thousand deaths is now a Lotta deaths you know and you look becky like well. One differs a lot. And you know you think about the value of people's lives and really coming out to say that there is something in America that we really have to face whether it's economically or socially. There's a lot of things that we need face within ourselves. I think both of those battles within the country in both those within ourselves those to go hand in hand you're saying that America has to reflect on their pass. Thomas you're also saying people I'm saying how do those two go hand in hand? Because I think people have to do with their traumas and things that they have to face individually and be able to find a way to improve and found a way to deal with them. I think we all have our images and things that we've put like we said we've become so obsessed with other people and other things that other people are doing that. We haven't had time to self improve. It's like so like in relationships. People harp on the negative of their partner and not the positive or the partner and after a while the negative become so normal and be normalized. You forget anything that the person has done and then you just have a negative outlook on. I think in America we have within ourselves and we've had a negative outlook on what our country's a patriotism is really changed to something as really negative like we take up a Patriot of America. People don't see that as a positive people see that as somebody who's narcissistic and as a form of racism I was GonNa say the all these different communities that are being hit the hardest. I feel like because the commuters are already with so much from America from past to present. Unfortunately I feel like this time has also been given to we can regroup our communities because now it's like we can't depend you know right with through pandemic we can't depend necessarily on the government can't depend on a lot of other sources that normally we are trying you know fighting constantly fighting into hitting the brick wall where hitting the brick wall and nothing is breaking in so now it's like okay now. Our communities can start thinking of how to become sustainable on. Okay now we have to literally pick it up and do it ourselves now. Can we come together and work on our own things working on our schools building? Our families better you know working on. You're talking about self love. I like that part goes hand in hand with America is that our homes are so broken. You know and then we're looking to a system that is broken for us so it's like starting from the roots starting from the soil in working our way up in working on relationships working on. How do we even treat each other and I mean like as your partner as parents you know? How do your children all these different things that were wanting wanting but we really need? It's like we've ignored that. And now we're going to the next step that America's like hold on wait. We're not ready for y'all either so I feel like this. Time is important that we have downtime to work on those things and I feel like that is a lot harder you know then how. I'm saying it but think like this. Downtime is giving us time that we have to face like you said. Each other in the mirror were facing ourselves in the mirror facing each other as a reflection in our family. Like you looking at your children like are you a good parent to your child. Are you doing the most you can like? I feel like all these different things are reflecting back to us your job. Do you give so much tear job. What is job right now? Giving back to you? It's like not only the mirror but is like so many things Mira us because we put so much time and effort into it but is it giving a return and I think what your students were talking about for their schooling and for what they want to do in the future. It's like as much as you're putting out you know. Are you getting bat? And then after you figure that out. It's like okay. Now what do I do? 'cause you literally are starting from zero again like the world it got to shed all of this shit from all of us humans and now it's shedded all that is starting from one so. I feel like if we can just work on shedding layers and figuring that out then slowly building you all the way. I think we gotta look at ourselves as Caterpillar going into cocooning Other side is butterflies. Right because we have to be able to truly shed ourselves look in mirror and I think like you said the self-awareness time at all these things that we see that are valuable and has so much value realizing we could be on social media for two hours three thousand hearts and realized that that's not really changing the world or is it not really changing who we are as individuals. And I think there's a sense of like now is kind of like when you talk about the value in this. I goes back to like US. Really put into a work is giving value back to things like you saying is it giving value back does because like for example like an NFL like you give so much to the game you get money back but then sometimes people leave in a broken state. You know what I'm saying. So people will give so much a certain job and after that they just broken you know and I remember one time Kelly who player directive said his. Daddy WORKED IN A FACTORY FOR THIRTY YEARS. And on his thirtieth he was so happy about his retirement there at the bay when he retired they gave him like plex for study as a service and he was like. Wow that's all I get like thirty years. You know you Miss Birthday parties. You Miss Family Wedding. Jim Is all these things. I gotta get back to work. Get back to work. We're going to get back. Get back in America's Kinda like in a place where it's like no. I need a drink. Chill drink often. Ed and live well rated off a bottle of water bottle guys philosophy for with the children. 'cause as much as I like to preach to you know like we spend time with your kids. Sometimes you do. Hit those roadblocks. And they're like. I don't want to do what you want me to do. I don't want to read a book right now. I don't WanNa play a game with you. I don't WanNa Cook in the kitchen. Like sometimes hit those road blocks so I told her oldest Peyton I was like look rogue roadblocks robots whatever it is. They're obsessed with it like they legit to spend all day on it and one point. I'm like no IPAD no screen time but I'm like but you know what this is actually something that you're interested in and you do like to put you know your talent. This talent your creative in it and so now. I'm like hey I was like I understand. You love playing this game but how about as much as you love this. Do a little bit into a bunch of different things you know. Put Your Passion and your time into a lot of different things so you can just spend time on these different things that you're nationally talented. Or maybe you want to evolve in and I'm like you're consuming so much time until one thing that you literally to me it's like you kinda given up on yourself phone like what about everything else that you do love to do though. I think we are at the point where we gotTA BE STU restored to listen before I used to walk outside and I always had headphones on because I was outside with the outside was just scenery was one flew. Michael has headphones. Drives me crazy. I'm going to the music. I'm Pecans such as own in your music and especially in the airport off with the kids and the bags trying wave you down like Michael Michael and liked that. He has no because I was really Greg Golfing. Tangent I like all the different styles of music instruments that they using who produced differ in different genres. But I think he's like this moment where we're being still now. I take the headphones off and I really walk. I can actually hear the world talking to me and I think each one of us is in a moment where we could actually hear are talking to actually spouses tacos. You know. Sometimes Pele says something and I really don't WanNa hear that shit within it's really hard. It's a real self reflection on how she really seen situation. I'd like to say like ways and when you in a moment before like you weren't trying to hear what she was saying because seeing what she was saying was really ugly side of you that you didn't really want to have to deal with but now you look at it and you're like well. Maybe she is right. Maybe not doing it three times now. Matama sex maybe. If you doing something maybe not doing three times. Maybe do at one time maybe due to but you don't have to do it as much or find more time to just listen to yourself and listen to your partners and listen to your kids and I think being still being calm were still sometimes. No noise is actually a great noise. But it's like you know like for example. I was telling my daughter said everybody loved each other like we loved our phones. And I think America's been away in a lot of ways in a lot of our society has been built physically present in every moment we physically. I'm here but are you mentally. Listen I am at Pele said to me the other day she was like get focused on what you're doing. I'm sitting there talking to you. It's like talking to a brick wall and I'm sitting here trying to defend myself and actually she's right. Sometimes I get so deep into my thoughts there I think about something such a perplexed way. I started to take about different ways. How things can turn out like doctor? Strange looking at different realities and one moment. Y- you sound like a crazy person and she's getting paranoid and she's and she's right and she's right she's like Oh you like a brick wall and desa ugly thing to have to hear that. Sometimes you don't want to listen to your spouse and you sound like Oh brick wall talking back the way that you should be talking. But that's how we are. Sometimes you president but you're not really listening. I think America's really dealing with this moment right. Now we've been president in a lot of ways we ever been listened to what women are saying about their race. We haven't been listening to us and about their rights. We haven't been listening to where immigrants have been saying all along about being central to the fabric of America. And I think now we're still and we're listening to the value of a lot of people bring to society so many people bring so much to the table in their absence. It really is a up call. We'll be right back more to come after the break is something that's interfering with your happiness or prevent you from achieving your goals. If so better help all NY council dear for you. Better help offers. Licensed professional counselors who specialize in issues such as depression stress relationships grief self-esteem and more so much more connect were professional counselors and safe and private online environment at your own time people and at your own pace no rush you can schedule secure videos or phone. 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I want time what Indian curry and it just shows. You like what you'll blend that America has but it's like everybody loves those things you know like everybody loved eating that food and this is just food but I think like food does bring people together so I really shows you on like the smallest little thing of food you know. We can't go get food. And now we're able to go into these stories and support these small businesses and people that own these businesses that are from you know other countries is just shows you. How beautiful like America is? Were able to get all of these things and it shows that we are and people have made great value to the things in society that we see right and I think when we talk about the West essential and being still I think it has given us this moment a society where people are like given out things in building and more charity and doing more stuff and realizing there's there's people who have value to what we do every single day and I think it's not just doing charity out in the world because I think a lot of times we do so much charity out in the world so people can perceive us as people. People can see the work that we're doing but we forget to do to charity home. Men Our relationships with our local families are in sensual people that we live with every day because when it was time to go into quarantine the first thing he wasn't GonNa put my Karma House. Let me put my favorite. It was like let me get my family. Let me get my wife in this. Go in and make sure they have everything to be saved and realize that they're essential and ESA charity and he really starts at home. My Grandmother says is I really need to on our relationships within our own family and I think that is something that's really going to take us to a whole `nother level self and spiritually and physically and mentally that. When we come out we should be a stronger society. We should be a stronger nation. We should have stronger core values in our own family and think and core value within our neighbor. The Bible say love THY neighbor. I was really thinking of the Michael. Also has become kind of a pastor during quarantine so no but it's definitely one of those things love on neighbor because we love our neighbor as Seattle thing attention. We loved neighbor. We love ourselves. That's going to say a lot but if we don't love ourselves we can't possibly love other people around us. It's just impossible but then also do you judge someone on them. I think we have to get past the judging moment. I think we've been a judgy culture. We've been so judging on everything and I think social media has allowed us to be judgy. It'd be the judge your the jurors the executioner all in one quick forty to tweet or characters on instagram. We've been so judgy never really asking. Why is a person going through there and I think you do a great job with it you always want to go to? The root of wire person is feeling that way. How did they get to this moment? And we don't do that enough in so we have been doing our Bible study within our me and Michael our family and I think something that I learned or not learn learn but just has like really upset with me as like intent. You know like intent in anything that you do. It's like before you do something planning on doing something I feel like surrounding your your thoughts around your intentions on that. What's your purpose? What you wanting out of it and then moving with it because sometimes go so fast so quick. And like you're saying if you're referring to social media you know you wanna put stuff out maybe you're border. Maybe but I feel like if your intentions are like positiveness or you are wanting to be creative. You know I think that is more powerful than you just aimlessly putting shit out just for the hell of it and I feel like that's intention to your family and intended to your job your career your life goals like what is it that you want out of life. What is it that you want with your family? I just think that's important. That's something I definitely picked up and had been trying to use more just on a daily as we get out. We talk about the different types of love to Greek and I think I would say challenge everybody who is listening to the podcast to go figure out. What kind of love that you want to be on your Greek mentions of love right. The seventy eight different types of love. Be Sure to tweet us on our instagram twitter stuff and tell us about it but I think this love are. Here is the highest form of love. It's called the copy. The highest form of love. Cherry the love of men of God right the words not to be confused with any other love it. Embrace universal unconditional love that transcends and persist Ellis of circumstances unless the kind of love that we have to have for our fellow man the essence of Gop love is goodwill but nevertheless and Wolford delight in the object of love. It's a beautiful So we had to go back and really look at this love that we've been dealing with and we've been so caught up in the rocks of love like. Oh look at girls but how big can somebody big? How big is that person cock? You know people everybody's looking at objectify and people's body right but nobody's looking at somebody spiritual side and we have to deal with that again pro today day is to go search love. Search the type of love that can change in your own self that could transcend your family and look for love in different ways as a partner sometime your wife might not think sex is the type of love that she was right now and you might be taking. Their love is type of sex. That you all right now as she might be like. I'm looking for another type of cuddle of or talking love and I think that's really hard for a lot of people that did with the different types of love that there really are. I think that goes hand in hand with affirmations. Also you know what are your affirmation for the day. And what are your affirmations year? Maybe expecting from your partner or from your family and I think we always talk about US communicating but it also goes hand in hand with our children you know. Let's be honest. We're all in the house. The kids go crazy sometimes. There's only so much time we can give them to keep them busy as well as you know. Keep ourselves busy and do it. We need to get done. And so I think it's just communicating that love in tier children. What are they love? You know that you do for them. You know you could literally ask what you love that I do for you. Like what is a service? I do for you that you love and maybe it is. Maybe it's I love you cook with me. It could be anything and I think that goes with. It can go beyond you know your partner and your family but finding the love and also finding the affirmation what goes in hand in hand with the love so that you communicated properly after the show this show is built on love today you find somebody that you really love and you get a hug. Man. That you'd love is your brother. You go to give wife give her a kiss. If there's somebody that you love your is tell them that you love him like because will come out the situation and we've been built on hate for so long to hatred of other. People have done what they've done to us and our whole system is being built. Don't hate and because we built on hate so much that we're so in seeds of hey so often that only thing has grown. Our trees of life is. Hey we gotta do some bills person type of love and back saying like Oh go tell someone you love them ask them what left but it's also like because those are words and emotions you know how do you put action behind it so I think affirmation comes with it but then also literally like literal action like. What can you do together that maybe your partner love for your children. Love your neighbor lay. I'm lonely I actually love to go swimming. Would you like to accompany swimming like different things like that? I think? Sometimes it's not only for you but maybe you find something from it so for example if the girls love to. Cook I love to cook so recently? The girls wanted to do a youtube channel and I was no. We don't do Youtube. The girls going social media in. So we're like okay. We'll let you guys do channel but I'll just be cooking spirit family and I told him it has to be more healthy items. Because you know we're going to be honored. This is what we eat. You know making cakes all day. Which Blake could do everyday so they did create a channel? And they edit everything themselves. Patient is really took a role too. You know putting this time into something that looks to be on his. Sometimes she'll start editing video and it'll be an hour and she let go over this and I'm like that's fine because you're putting your talents and your passion into something for a little bit. Okay you WANNA go ride a bike or you want to read. Maybe you WANNA play back online on your blocks. That's fine so they've been working on this and they just something that we can do together that we all love and it's all around food and at the same time they're learning so it's just been amazing so if y'all do want to check that out it's on Youtube and it's called Cooking S. E. K. I. Cooking and Seki is a someone word it means cool so the girls were like It's cool cooking and look at. That's perfect so have you guys do WanNa go check it out. Go subscribe on you to send cooking Markov Shuki cooking. People don't look for anything. Sucky owners great cooking nasty. Seki are so I wanNA thank you guys for tuning in this week. Once again we were talking about dinner with the Traumas of ourselves and dental with the traumas of our country. And what are we going to look like? In this new America does coming out of this cocoon or we're going to be beautiful butterflies living in harmony and being different animals. That can be able to e- in hang out with each other. Are WE GONNA go back to the ravishing ways that we must survive so we must take over everything in everybody. Make sure nobody has anything but me back to selfish love or we find a way to be unconditional connected to our other people in our community and making our self in place in his world a lot better. 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Michael, Pele & Dr. Eddie Glaude (Listen Again)

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You grew up in The lds church which is different from why group in the baptist church but which is a big question because we have three children so people do ask us knowing that both sides of our families are rooted within the church So they always want to know. How does that work in our household. Do we have aside. Do we how we communicate with. Our children religiously affleck taxes. You pay your taxes like you pay different levels of taxes but all the taxes go to the same place as kind of religion a little bit of food that like. We're all praying for different in a different manner using the king james version this version but today mostly we all got religion. It's changed a lot. Since we grew up in america in general especially in school. Because i remember in school like a prayer was like the first thing that we did like before we started school. I don't really. Yeah what do you mean like before you because angela. Yeah the pledge of allegiance were sounds crazy. Really think about it. You know what we're doing. It's how we look. Also extending in a classroom of twenty kids are people are. People took a picture of the perfect communist her attention. Pledge allegiance to the flag so young that you dislike. It just comes out so easily like you're not even thinking of what these words mean. The history of it like you don't really know issuing is just an act the pledge of allegiance. Exactly you're yourself. You signed learning very young. But that's why that's what they started breeding nationalism at the beginning of it that level you breed initiative but now it is very interesting though though because religion is very something that a lot of couples have to deal with especially in the weight. America's changing like you really could be baptised who's married to a hindu lady had to decide. How would you how to raise a family and that is. I think it's up to the couple. It is up to the couple. There's no standard of how you do it. I don't think so. Can you do both you could do wine. I think he just personally that you put both in front of your children in is kind of like when he let them like when you divorce you put the baby at the back with the baby and the baby until the baby to run cross. Apparently the baby goes to. And that's how i feel about religion whichever person that was when they driven to which they feel that the now i do think that as a parent you responsibility is not necessary to lead them direction but to lead them with all the information so let them know both sides all the information if they have questions mix you answer them thoughtfully and then let them you know as they get older to decide which they feel best fits them true but you but but i remember the first time marchers was shocked and i was shocked. The first moment to your church lee a lot going on here we went to this went together. There's a lot going on like the. Lds church is different now. Shock to they really really professional here. Like the first time i went to church everybody would just like little house on. I was like everybody had little. Bob haircuts the little daily. Long ring would nitny stuff. I was like okay. Everybody was nice though the mormon church. Everybody's nice it became the electric me. Those experts you need is chick chick-fil-a the never met him. You're not mad. You be her all day serving waffle fries. He's still not particularly sauce. And these assaults. Right now but i do think that we both bring different aspects of both sides to our children and then it's kind of when my parents are in town. They'll take the kids with them to church. Your parents are in town. I don't even think it has to be either or though to revisit. No no no to people who like to different types of teams all of the lake. But that's why that's why. What if your child doesn't pick either of them. And i think that's where it comes within the home to teach them of both sides but i think it's okay when your child is like asking questions of another religion because curiosity all you want to do is learn and know you know. And i feel like that's where growth come when they start to bring it within and they're just comparing in and that's when you're having conversations with them you know on different thoughts or different things that they've heard. I don't think i think she'll be open minded today. We're talking to dr declawed chair of the department of african american studies and professor of religion at princeton university about who's in black politics religion and changes society and the role of black athletes. Also our athletes play in the political climate of america. So is it true that you left home to attend morehouse to go to college. A sixteen kind of young as sixteen hours. Still you running through the fields and by more holidays you're busy lifting engines and things like that. I know yeah. I did i i left home and went to morehouse at sixteen. Morehouse had What they call an early admit program that they started as a result of the world war. I think it was world war two when a lot of black men had gone off to fight in the war and so they started admitting younger students. And so martin. Luther king junior for example was an early admit maynard. Jackson was an early admits. It's an aug line of folks who came through that program so it was. It was really interesting. I was running away from home. But i ran iran the college instead of into the streets. I'm from louisiana right. And i'm not gonna talk about louisiana mississippi but they have the history and not always has always been a pretty history as always been people can really be proud of it. Sometimes you know but what was it like growing up mississippi where you eager to enter a place like morehouse to pursue something. That could change the way you grew up. I'm from a small town cost point and you know named after the mazda dangled from Trees and it's called the river city as its nickname and So it's really beautiful. But moss point is majority. Black is about seventy percent black It's the labor force for the town right next to it Pascagoula mississippi were trent senator. Trent lott's from so. I grew up in an environment. That was It wasn't segregated in any formal sense but there was Kind of de facto segregation and interesting sorts of ways and and. Because i was involved in politics at a young age i was crossing kind of racial lines and very interesting sorts of ways at a good friend of mine. She was a neighbor down the street. Who who went on to become an endowed professor of law at the university of southern california told me that she remembers me and her little brother going off to boys state and hearing some white woman saying that the problem with me eddie was that i didn't know my place and has something to do. I didn't know my place and that has something to do with my dad. You know my dad. How can i put this. My dad didn't suffer white folks easily. And you know it just to be honest when we moved into you know. He was a policeman and he had an opportunity to he knew. He hasn't some precarious since for coaches kids rather and he moved us into this neighborhood. I think we will third black family to move in the neighborhood and somebody shot out back window and my dad responded with his twelve gauge and blew off the limb of a tree and said shoot becky again. I mean he was not a man who allowed anybody to diminish him so i grew up in an environment where there was a sense of. You know you stand up for who you are. You be proud of who you are. And i grew up in an environment that was basically black fish fries on fridays brown liquor. You know i mean. Is this the blues listening. Bb king and bobby blue bland. At least the oh folks were. It was a nurturing environment for me and my sister graduated valedictorian of our high school and went to spelman and then came back home and said you know you act like you to while you need to come to. Morehouse said. I wanna get away from daddy anyway. So you know so funny. Though like as an athlete like sometimes growing up is like we've never really heard about like the black colleges as far as sports in his funny because there are so many great black african american players who went to african american schools that we just didn't know the history of that in like it's like the first thing that came to us was a good at texas stadium. Or you know lsu or alabama like it wasn't go to morehouse or go to all these different places and it was just which i just find it interesting and i always think to myself like if i didn't play sports have changed that experience time. Yeah you know a lot of a lot of folk. I mean you know when i was growing up you know people were so proud of walter payton new when i think he went to jackson state doug williams went to grandma and i think and so you know there's a period of time where these predominantly white institutions weren't available to us. I remember growing you know when i was in high school bear bryant walking into cafeteria. 'cause we had at the time and we had a powerhouse high school football team. You know so. You know the wassily brothers. So wisely played with the washington redskins. George juan's lee. Who played with the baltimore. Colts nathan wisely who played with the tampa. Bay buccaneers all of them came out of high school. We kind of like a farm team for mississippi state and ole miss and then those who didn't go there ended up going to jackson state southern Morehouse You know going to hp us and so is really remarkable. When i look back on it My little small town on the coast of mississippi man. You know the people who've come out of that place the place that they think just full of people who don't have any ambition when in fact when you look at it on the ground you know it's just some amazing stuff that happens. Amazing will come out of their. You're growing up My family they are first generation coming over from the polynesian islands. In so we were in Tippy a lot of our years. We toured. And we did we performed in the casinos. They didn't know we weren't black or white so they didn't know what we were. So you know there was a lot of different things that happen but just being in. Mississippi is definitely a different culture. Where do grope in houston was your experience as you were going to be elected for the governor of mississippi. What was your thoughts and experience of how you sorry movements dome go i want to know is how did you feel that. You're able to take that role on. As i said you know i was able to cross certain kinds of boundaries because of my involvement in politics i guess i had a good head on my shoulders and i had been you know. We had this thing called the ymca us legislature at the time. And they would invite young students from across the state to come in and we would take over a state government for three days and happened to be the case that i was elected. You governor from statewide right. And i remember the newspapers to jack. The clarion ledger. In jackson saying that mississippi us were generations ahead of the state because they had elected this black governor but what was so fascinating about the moment is that i didn't really have a developed political sense about the world. You know i understood. You know racism are understood. White supremacy viscerally intuitively. But i didn't have an analysis at that point. And i remember as a young man you know. Before i went off to college i was able to go to the democratic national convention in san francisco to eighty four convention with jesse spoke when when he ran and eighty four and mario cuomo gave his tale of two cities. Speech and i was sitting on the front row. This country boy from mississippi ges soaking it in remember being in an elevator and jesse jackson walking into the elevator and again. I'm just a country boy from the coast right so the guy comes. Just jackson walks. He's towering over me and he asked me where i was from joining just told me to keep struggling. Keep working and keep evolving in some ways right. That wasn't his language but he just kind of set the bar so high. So in that moment of being elected youth governor at the time and in going to the democratic national convention at the age of fifteen and i just got a sense that my world was so much more expensive than moss point. And it's something that. I've come to articulate. Now as you know in my fifties the world is always conspiring to make you. Small and in the question is whether or not you're going to be complicit and so in the early days of my life i was able to imagine myself in the most expensive of terms so i wasn't or constrain by my little hometown in fact that was the fuel that in some ways propelled before if that makes sense in vietnam and people don't realize how big jesse jackson is man. Jesse jackson big man has do man. I'd be like man. Jesse jackson biggest. Hell like walkable me now. Dan just like he played. You see people forget that he was a broken. I believe man. Jesse jackson's huge. Huge human being is funny though because like of skipping ahead but like jesse jackson. He got a sense of religion with politics. Two comes in. He's a preacher. He comes out of the king tradition. Yes oh you know stay. Member of the national baptist convention absolutely absolutely. There's reverend jesse. Jackson stay with us. I gotta take shit. I'll be right back more. And more after this break. Hey sports fans mouthpiece is brought to you by living guard. As swiss hygiene technology company that is making revolutionary face masks. These fantastic facemask provide safety and comfort even while you're playing sports while being a sustainable option listeners. Did you know them. Most masks can be a breeding ground for bacteria. Gross in a recent study. Living guard found that people regularly reuse single use disposable masks and fail to wash reusable cloth masks according to cdc guidelines. That means other people's masks are potentially not as effective as they could be and full of germs gross. That's not what anybody wants. That's not we want for ourselves. 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Lemon media's critically acclaimed hit podcast in the bubble is welcoming interim host. Dr bob walker starting january eighteenth. Dr bob was handpicked by andy slavik. Who's headed to washington for a few months to help us overcome this pandemic. Don't worry andy we'll be back later this year to host the show. Dr bob leads the medical department at the university of california san francisco each week. Like andy. bob will answer. All of your big and small questions related to covid. Nineteen along with experts insiders and cultural icons from the incoming white house staff to comedians to frontline workers. Join dr bob. Every week on in the bubble hill even try some andy style jokes. You can find in the bubble wherever you get your podcasts. Is there a role in the church in the modern world. Because i feel like when you look at back malcolm even malcolm be muslim It's still he still had a connection to the to the community. But then you look at martin look at everything need did from the when the bus boycott was through the church and i grew up in church as i see that church avenue at saint impact politically that they used to when they were risking. That you know. James cone talked about religion tree about to but at the same time. I just don't see that's being used the way that it is now And that kind of scares me a little. Because i feel like if we look at the barefoot. Jesus was induced. Was a risk taker when it came to religion. And what they did this. It feels like that. We've fallen short of their risk taking ability to be able to go out and say we really believe in us a church in a way not just for prosperity but for change. You know. it's a complicated story to tell michael about the role of black churches in politics. And i say that because you know we tell the standard story that you know black. Churches have been at the center of black politics right. And we tell that story as if it's if it's inherent to black religious life right and in fact what is inherent is what is really singular. Is that black. Churches are independently owned by black people. So they were naturally organizing spaces. They were our institutions right. It didn't mean that the gospel was that was preached from the pulpit was necessarily radical or not. It just meant that that space was singularly hours so it made sense that people were organizing and mobilizing in those institutional spaces but there's always been kind of tension within african american religion man and attention. Has you know people who are in scholarly terms people who have their priestly function and people who have that prophetic function that priestly functions folk simply thinking about your soul trying to make sure you right with regards to dogma and with regards to god. That prophetic function has something to do with. How do we make real the gospel. The lives of folk that matthew twenty five religion right and so as early as nineteen o three. Might you can read into boys as souls of black folk in chapter of the faith of the fathers were says. Churches are differentiating some into institutions. That are more entertaining. That are more for and he's talking in one thousand nine hundred three right so you always have always had in some ways this element in black religious life of churches. That weren't on the front line and what we need to understand. I think is that the prophetic is always in the minor key is never the dominant key. So when we look at today and we see all of these churches so preoccupied with sowing seeds and prosperity gospel. As you mention you see people like cref low dollar and those sorts of folk and say what the hell is going on. Looks like reverend one in dr king loss but then when you look closely and you go to local churches you see some churches out here thinking freddie keynes's church and dallas. They are actually on the front lines door work so it varies so one of the things i say really quickly though is that black. Life is so much more complicated. Now you know even from when your grandfather was growing up who's more. Who's more known now. Oprah beyond the local past who's more influential so because of the nature of black lives being so complicated by market forces by consumer forces by a range of things. The black church isn't a center of black life like at once wise. Because there's so much else happened. I wanted to know because of michael stance politically in the field. I have a question. I want to know because right now like sports politics they're saying it doesn't coexist but religion does on the field. You know it's so we can talk about. We have bible group bible studies. We moved to each group. I go to the bible study. We can be very open the women's specifically but we can be very open about our views religiously and then we don't talk politically. Why does religion. Why is there like There's no barrier there but when we come to political and we're there's a wedge ima- perspective on the people only wanna talk about the the giving side of being in religion like we have to dig deeper into what we are as human beings. And i think sometimes we don't really want to do that because he comes with a risk actually taking a risk of say. We really believe in. That people don't really want to do that. It's like because if they say oh we would pray at because people. Every time we pray at work. I say i don't want to do the prayer as a group because i feel that some of the stuff that i don't feel that this sanction is holy and i feel that the way that the gospels priest inside the locker room is something. That's just a bitch. Elite doesn't really have no sources behind it and just my opinion. I mean you know this okay for folk to kind of get all excited. When tim tebow would get on his knees point up. You know you remember that right now even league anymore. But you're everybody's excited because it doesn't threaten anything you know folks get that you know. Jesus was put on the cross right by wrong. He was challenging principalities empower so there's a way in which the gospel can be understood to unsettle power to unnerve those who hold power. So what happens when you have a particular voicing of religion in public space that is how shall we say. Comfortable with power is comfortable with roll so part of what. i think. The question that you're asking is why is it the case that religion is sanctioned but a kind of political voices and that's because the way in which religion is being articulated voiced in that moment poses no threat to the order things right and so if there's a voicing of the gospel and i heard this in your point michael that really seeks to. She ate justice and love in the arrangements of our world. Then it unsettles for right so if you were at the end of a game saying we wanna pray in the name of jesus. We have justice. In our criminal justice system that we address racial inequality then suddenly jesus talked. We'll be unsettling for some fo is a little bit more than just getting on your knee and expressing your piety in front of thousands of people. So i think you know. How can i put this. I wanna be that moment. If i if i want to bear witness as someone who's a believer want to be that person that they ask in acts. What's wrong with those people. They must be drawn. Something about their behavior is not in alignment with the order of things right. Trying to account for the fact that the way in which you occupy space entire disrupts those who seek power and to to hold on it hold onto it no matter what after that makes sense because i felt that being almost being a cushions you should understand the persecution that comes along with it because his all affleck is always been along that line and i feel that sometimes when you when we making those statements. We don't want to have any persecution. But we want to be able to live vicariously through where jesus did. But we don't want to. We don't wanna live in that world that round where you have to become more than just the flesh and i think sometimes i for me. That's the issue that i have with it because nobody wants to be job. Everybody wanted to be solomon. Nobody wants to be job. Nobody wanted to get tested. The way their job the in his life and i think that's for me that's where for me just feels faulty. Whenever whenever i go through this for me the point. I'm trying to make here is what does it mean to bear. Witness to. the gospel are gospel. That is fundamentally about the least of these so when you take a knee and fokker okay with it might need to say a little bit more and it goes to that you grew up you seen the role of the black athletes have john carlos on the show. I think we want to pay to people who came before us. And what do you see in this public. Discourse political discourse on Politics in the future of america. What is the road is athletes in general not just to black athletes put athletes in general have a platform with their role in being able to speak up on the issues. That our current in this america. You know i mean it varies. I think all of us have a responsibility to give voice to our aspiration for more justin loving world. What does it mean to have a platform. You have your particular platform failures. I have mine. What does it mean to take advantage of the resources. We have to ensure that the least of these that the most vulnerable among us cannot only dream dreams but to make those dreams a reality. I think the reason why people look black people in particular look to athletes is because not only do they have platforms. They have resources. What does it mean for us to be able to leverage our power to leverage our brand leverage our assets are skills right to really bring pressure to bear on arrangements. That really do our people in and i think if we use justice and love has our model as our guiding principle and value then no matter who we are no matter where we are located. We're gonna live lives to in stantione justice and love in the world's best we can. So my responsibility is to always put that in the forefront and part of what the athlete what she he or she has to grapple with is that we live in a world that is so defined by selfishness and greed and narcissism donald trump as. I've said before just a reflection of us and so so. Many people are just so preoccupied about just give me collecting their cars by you. Know big houses just collecting material toys. That they're not in some ways dedicating their lives to love justice right and it seems to me that what we have to fight against is you know. Is this temptation to be just simply navel-gazing just to preoccupied with our own with ourselves right so we've got a battle that fight we gotta fight that battle against selfishness and greed and narcissism. It seems to me you know. I can go on and on sorry silly but also without if you're not an athlete so you're just with social media because it's so big right now and it is a platform for other people who whatever it is that they do in their career or profession of how do they use social media with activism in like a ball a positive way of reaching out to people because they get you get this news now so quickly but also people. Are you know putting out information so quickly their opinions or swinging different ideas so how has done correctly. You know varies you know. Social media is almost like social. Media's become how how. Can i put this like micro reality shows right. You use the platform simply to project the image of yourself and it seems to me that that's not some people that for some people. That's fine do you. But you know for some of us at these you know the the smartest way to think about social media at least to me is the distribution of distribution we can begin to push information to various public's right we can begin to create conversations with people whom we may never see. And so there's a way in which you can a really a build. The conditions for much more informed electorate much more informed public so that we can do the kind of work we need to do. And i was on on the ground to see what they were doing and ferguson. I saw how they use social media organize their assault. How black lives matter used it. And then i also saw how social media worked too disorganized it right and how. It played a negative role in interesting sorts of ways. So i guess the the main thing is to be deliberate. What are the values animating. Why you on on social media in the first place. Why are you doing it. What is the point and it could range from the kind of basic social things that we want to do to the basic organizing injustice work. We can do and you just have to be deliberate. How you approach it right. And i think we always reevaluate like within me and michael relationship family. The kids we re evaluate what we're doing. We're doing it. And i think what you're saying on social media is do a clean sweep you know if you're using social media as just scrolling for nonsense but if you really are being intentional what you're wanting to learn and read about and listen to do clean sweep of the including that out because right now. Actually i was working on this song or poetry. Whatever is called its reps. This rapid everybody is really is like emma worth worthy. There's love and is really talking about like are people really worthy of the love that they're receiving on his instagram and twitter and facebook and they don't really know what to do with it because the like you said they projected something that they really aren't don't really let you know about the pain will really let you know what they suffer from. So i don't feel like there's no clear vision so i do think i do agree with you about that but i do have a particular question though. I know you're saying was questioned by police in college terrified sprint for a lot of people in america when it comes to their black brown charlotte people of color. How did that make you feel. And what is the reality of being a black man and having a child and having to put them into the world and thinking about What what is going to be their reality. In my book i was saying i got three daughters and i was always scared like even though i wanna sign always feel like like if likes is almost dangerous sometime to be black as a black male in america so but you could go into the dummy know personally from your own experience right so when my son called me and told me that i had to think really quickly 'cause you know first things you wanna you wanna just choke somebody at you know you wanna hurt somebody because they don't do that threatening sung yoon threatening your son but the main thing though for me was how do i in this moment. Keep this from turning inward for him because what happens in these moments when society tells us that we're less than when they police our bodies when the exact harm what happens sometimes is that hatred and anger turns inward and it begins to corrode to seoul and so part of what i didn't want him to do in. That moment was to was to become embittered where the anger would in some ways. Limit how he imagined himself and so when the police stopped him and put the hand on the gun and told him to leave and set and he was like. Yeah when i was like just imagine how much how many times that happens to someone on stuyvesant avenue and trim just imagine how much how many times it happened to somebody and cabrini-green when the projects up the chicago just think about what happens to folk in the delta. Mrs so part of what i wanted to do was to turn outward right and so the rage instead of the rage taking root in him the rage becomes the fuel for this commitment to justice and law right to become other regarding in that moment and not self obsessed with your own wound pain. 'cause you know cornell west told me something. One time appeal mike that i think i've never i'll never forget. He said we're all wounded. The question is whether or not we're going to be a wounded hurt or wounded healer and so in those moments when my child was faced with the kind of the bitter racism of the united states what i wanted to do with. That won't was to say okay now. Let's make sure you turn out. Come out of this experience with the aim of being a healer and not a hurter and so you get angry. i'm worried about. He's twenty three. And i'm still worried about him. He's six two and he's just like you know he's walking around with dreads in his head even though he's brown graduate doesn't matter you know i'm still worried about him as my mother told me i won't stop worrying about you until they put me in the ground and so you know is one of the with a black tax. You have to go through this. Not worry about this at all so the main thing is to you know james baldwin said you know whatever. The negro problem is is this problem. He says he paraphrasing him here. He says our problem is trying to keep what the world says about our children from taking root in there so And so we have to work day in and day out so that children won't believe what the world says about them and that's at the heart of my parenting because a- as crazy as my dad was much as i wanted to leave home right. I remember when i was in the fourth grade. And ms davis was messing with me. And i was the only black kid in the class and i jumped up and i said you are racist and declares like or you said it like richard. Pryor you like richard pryor and are not going to get killed by my dad. 'cause my dad is looking in our cry you know and i thought he was gonna just i thought he was on break my sternum and i told he said what she say can i. She said that allah he said if anybody ever says something like that to you again you do the same way as empowered exactly so in the midst of a world. That's constantly bombarding our children with the belief that they're not valued as much as other people because of the color of their skin. Our task is to make them believe that. They are kings and queens. If they don't come to bow to come to conquer that they walked this planet straight back right. And if i say that i'm out here fighting lines with the switch. The next thing i'm gonna say is that i'm winning. You see. it's a different way of being in the world. I'm not a recipient of your charity. You a gifted by my presence in the world and i just want to impart that in my son in that moment when he was so full of rage that i was worried that it was going to choke the life out of his soul. I really don't think people really understand that. Like what it feels. Like the be african american in america because they don't really understand the rich history but also is kind of is being kind of plagued with so much harsh. If so a lot of time people tell us to get over stuff but is hard to not to get over something like when you can't find your last name like that's a big issue like not being able to trace your origin in the world has to meet us a big issue and just to think about out row. Look at something like putting a muslim. Somebody like you look at something like that like. It's just so much stuff that has happened over this time and just is a costume. Variables that things that keep perpetuate the hate behind just being the color of your skin. Or whatever and i just feel like this is hard to voiced some times. What are people feel like. Oh there they go again with the same old story that opportunity not take advantage of the opportunities. It seems like there's always somewhere. You always be suppressed or preston some type of way as sometimes when you grow up and you go through the is hard to keep your dignity and unless you have a pair of this around you really put that into you put that seed into your soul james baldwin said then there's no is no way of really defeating because every time you turn on the tv you see your people look diminished and for me as a parent is very difficult for us. Sometimes but at the same time we potentially fight to keep pushing is never indian too because it's also kids but then there's also yourself too because you also dealing with the image of who you are as an individual you being a woman of color me being a man of color is always something that it's been times where people come to our house fix something and people will ask pele. She working their business. My house they'll say. Can i speak to the owner. And i'm like you're looking in her. What you on this day. It happened to me today. Rob but you know you said something earlier that i just thought about you know you know there they go again. Daddy go again you know. Is this thing that you know. They can't believe what we tell them. That's happened about what has happened to us. In what is happening to us because to believe us is to confront who they are honestly and you see that this is important because the illusion that the illusion of innocence is at the heart of the lie together. So america. And i've said this before my work america is like pita pans never never land. Not the one that michael jackson here now not similar things but but but the point is never never land is the place where lost boys don't have to be responsible for nothing. You can put a bullet in general of iran. And say don't don't do nothing. Just did a review of this book called. The wilmington's lives massacre in wilmington. North carolina in eighteen. Ninety eight man were literally white supremacists at gunpoint took overload. Local government ran black. People in their homes into the swamp killed over sixty people. At least that's what they reported right just literally with the idea that black people were overrunning government that they were negro domination threatened. white supremacist. Right this is not like it was in the seventeen hundreds. We talk about tulsa. We can talk about elaine arkansas. Whenever white america feels as if it's threatened we've experienced the brunt of the violence and then when we tell that story daddy go again. Daddy go again. No no no no no all of this has to do with the need to preserve a kind of innocent so they don't have to be responsible for the lives and the violence and death that has been such a crucial part of this country's history. We'll be right back more to come after the break. Some say there are no seasons karen l. a. but in hollywood there's at least one award season. Listen to the envelope. The podcast from the la times every wednesday to hear from the talent behind some of this year's best movies and tv shows including stars like rashida jones. Hugh grant an annual taylor joy. It's hosted by me. Yvonne video and by my colleague. Margot wilson our podcast will also feature conversations with show runners and directors along with regular awards minute from times entertainment columnist one. Whip the envelope. The podcast is available every wednesday on the la times app apple podcasts. Spotify or wherever you listen. I don't want to skip over the part that you've got the new book coming out beginning again. James ball when america in urging the lessons of our own. Ns month. there's dog that's my man. And i just love jimmy bomber man when you think about geologists is crazy like it's just the power of what he can do. A words is like some people like you look at mohammed ali. What he can do with his fist. But this man can do that with words not just cut beneath the scandal. We could see it would cut the flesh. What is your book going to be a barrel so in some ways what i was trying to do is to figure out so jimmy live long enough to see them kill martin. He lived long enough to see that the That the hopes of the civil rights movement were betrayed. You know and there's a line that comes out of his last novel. Just above my head. and i'm paraphrasing. He says you know when when the dream was shattered and people scattered some lost their minds some went to jail and he says responsibility isn't loss. Responsibility is and if one refuses abdication than one begins again and so jimmy is writing in a moment when the country has turned its back on this rights movement. The backlit white backlash has happened and he sees ronald reagan on the horizon. He sees another words all the things that will lead up to trump today. And so i wanted to write about how he responded to that moment of betrayal. Because we're living in a moment of betrayal of our own and so most folk will go and read jimmy's Read The fire next time and i'm like no no go rideau name in the street. The bouquet wrote in one thousand nine hundred seventy two and it's a book that is like you know if the fire. Next time is the prophecy. No name in. The street is the reckoning. And so i wanted to use that book as a frame for thinking about our current moment. So it's not a book about jimmy. It's a book where i'm thinking with him and trying to find resources to keep my head up in this dark moment where the country has turned. Its back on. Its promise once again. I would like to know other sources that you use personally for hope and optimism in what else what the craziness. That's happening right now. I think is really important to make a distinction between hope and optimism juno optimism. I don't have a lot of that from mississippi you grew up in. Houston you know what that. I ten corridor blues sounds. There's a line in it. Bb king has a line where he says. Nobody loves me but my mother but she could jiving too so he's blues. Soco is a hope that the boys says so's a black folk is a hope not hopeless but unhelpful. You know so. Where do i find this blues soaked. Hope i find it in us. We've seen dark times in this country. May i mean we've experienced the country at its lowest point and what i do know. Is that my faith in human beings capacity to respond in. The darkest of the hour is the faith that i have. I'm constantly trying to be able to cultivating my ability to see beyond the ugliness of now to imagine and otherwise where human beings could be treasured where everyone can no matter the zip code. No matter who they love no matter. The color of their skin were we afford dignity and standing in a society that values human beings as opposed to money and things winded thing. You both know mayor. Michael dyson cornell. Yeah and you in with both of them but my question would be. Who would beat a better rapper. Michael i was like west would not be on beat but it should be really handling. Also he'd be really good but that should be like. What did you say i should do. Not rhyme in. No no neither one of need to be rhyming. Neither one of you need to understand your limitations as you know like the oklahoma to the to the cookout in shorts bra you need to put on some law pants. You don't walk around you probably got uncle to from new zealand and ab wearing shorts. I'd be like bro. My daughter's ankle why you got grocery so his choice to be so sure like it's like literally but he has. He has a tattoo on his leg. He like show it all the same time i know. He's that's uncle right there. That really wears a short short man. All right So we got we got like like to do rather not questions are just things that yes or no you can give a little s why you say yes why you say no okay so the first one is Morning or night six warning. Start your day off the i. I first medicine morning. Most of the most everybody's been saying both. I'm a different. Do i see you start your day off right exactly. Yes certain watson to be. Let's see okay. How about your drinks. You prefer wine or hard liquor. I'm irish whiskey. Oh whiskey. Kevin hart are richard. Pryor richard pryor. Yeah kevin hart redundant when he stuff is kinda gets kinda boring richer prize the father. I mean there's no yeah. How about your vacation. Do you like to relax at the beach or going city tours. Relax at the beach with a good novel in the caribbean. I love in whiskey Usually like I had a place in version. Don't tell no tell them to check into you to your. How much got he got a damn llc lords talk about justice and love. Look at it right. Don't tell them a sports team. Mississippi state ole miss mississippi state. Now wouldn't you wouldn't catch me for the running rep of rebels. No oh no no. No johnny rib. Oh hell no all right. What about some food. Crawfish or poboy. That's a hard one i know. God who could you ask me that question. So long whom between the two just say either or oh my god i love i love second. This is only so what we call it. You know hey louisiana you know I go to a bushra poboy okay listens catering be blues. Depends on what kind of liquor drinking. If i'm if i'm listening to the blues there has to be so you know some whiskey. If i'm be i'll go with the blues. Bobby blue bland to A great book or a great movie book. I'm a nerd. Dive into a book to movie is your hand you. I always grew a great book to me is also a vacation absolute shit soon mentally. You get lost a love to James baldwin tony morrison. Oh well you know. Tony says she foul language in baldwin. She taught it. He taught her what the english language could do. So i would have to go with the master. Have to go jimmy although i love tony presley crawfish and shrimp paula. I think you're sending your day up. He's like. I know what i'm gonna do this. We have crawfish personal profit bid on veto. Read my book richard. Pryor days vacation. Summary michael talk about this. Is this chill today a busy. You got a lot of stuff going on. I'm always grateful for you to take the opportunity to bless me which which voice. I think your voices. The soup is the voice of this century. You know being able to be able to articulate. The rich do is like nobody can really compete you any type of way because you got that armor on their arm there. That is something i appreciate. Oh man appreciate everything you do. And i appreciate shaw. Thank you so much reba opportunity and and continue to model what you model than your model. You model deep and genuine and abiding love. Thank you so much appreciate each. That's it that's it that's the end. You don't have listened to michael anymore. 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Michael and Pele Bennett: Life of an NFL Family

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Michael and Pele Bennett: Life of an NFL Family

"How'd you guys together in the first place a high school shoes a Martinez cousins so too might shut up to Mike? Show tonight Michael Right. Well he was very annoying like a class clown kind of guy but he did. He played football with my cousin and I was new to the school. He'd you'd try to talk to we wine years in I'll just you know? Turn down really easy okay. The next year I was like Hey Mike how you doing you know He. He grew he blossom into a beautiful flower the next year. And that's when I was like got attracted and you are on the football team. Pack watching him play in high school. What was that like I think it was a lot of fun. Because you're addressing Been I don't know I think it's much more innocent and it's just like for finding pork. Were those best high school. Football is like the fun. Like what about the pain aspect of it was that president? All back I don't think so. I don't think I mean maybe it was. I think I was so so hungry just to be successful at the GUS. I can't remember to paint. You're so young you don't even think about those type of injuries and maybe you're so young you don't even notice them but I remember it. Being you know on a pro level is completely different. Nfl Defensive End Michael Bennett and his wife. Pele have been in and around football for most of their lives but as Michael contemplates whether he'll keep playing concerns about his health and future at the front of both of their minds. Today I talked to Michael Pele about the toll that the sport has taken on their family. And why walking away is never an easy decision. I'M UNICOM'S IT's Thursday February thirteenth this is espn daily presented by ADT. Michael you're thirty four years old. You've played eleven seasons you've been in three prebble's Yuval want super bowl now. You're staring down the barrel gun of Your Twelfth Year in the NFL you were traded yet again to Dallas. And you're not sure if you're going to keep playing football. Tell me why it's one of those things where I think football you just shelf life on everything. Michael Bennett and his wife. Pele live in Hawaii during the NFL. Offseason they co-host podcast called mouthpiece weighed the options at the season. Seen how you fit in what you can do your feeling so I think every player at the end of every season. Kinda goes through an adjustment of chicken. What did they needed just what their body is. Kenny still continue to the rigorous recovery of each game in each season. I think every player goes through the. I'm no different in that situation. I think I'm just another player. Who is figuring out? What's the best thing for? His life is a process. You've gone through every off season. You have to give your off season. Go through the same process you just gonNA check your body check with your family. See how you doing. I think the older you get to cause a lot of times you in the locker room guys guys are like twenty two years old. They don't even have kids yet. Then you got like a thirteen year old daughter so you got a lot more responsibilities and you start wearing your responsibilities Towards the responsibilities of the job and I think that's where people try to weigh out there options. Pele is something you also go through every off season. Yeah I think a lot of times when I get asked. I always say it's stress. It's crazy as a headache but I mean there's been a lot of opportunity. Blessings have come that way but I think for me seeing him retire. I always say like I'll leave it up to him because he knows people are like. Oh but he's so good. Why would he retire? And I'm like but football is so good. He's such a good player. But I think that there's anything that's so good. You know like traveling. Soga Family. We have kids is that we wanna spend that together and do stuff outside of the field. One of the scariest injuries I remember seeing involved you. It was in two thousand thirteen guys were in Houston for like my Nigga pinched or something. They went back. I feel like I was paralyzed for a moment like I couldn't move for like Luba. L. shriners includes get up. Get up. You know clue for you. Look at me like role. Don't go don't go into your head. I was just going through my head. I was like I did. I didn't know what happened. I just knew the the nerve in my neck had pitched to my lower back. Were you terrified? I think everybody I mean if any player that plays any sport until you did not terrify from the possibilities of plan a sport or getting injured while doing sport or repercussions of doing the sport. I think there'll be lying because I think it's important. The fears always part of. What are we doing because I think it makes us makes us human? But there's fear and then there is momentarily thinking. I might be paralyzed. The fear the fear of not being accused fear of not being able to make love to your wife. Yes they make. Love IS ESPN but okay no fear of all that is definitely something over warm and I think when you get injured I think th reality of which you are I think if some point because everybody fantasizes about to play a lot of time players start to believe in the hype. They're superheroes it is into that moment that they really feel that. Kryptonite of being a human being. That they realized that they don't they not is not as free as they think they are. Palay what was it like for you? Watching him stretchered off the field in that moment the Houston game. So we're both from Houston so immediately. Everyone's calling me like my phone's blowing up. His parents were there A lot of our really close friends were there which I thank God that not that it happened there but you know that he was in a safe place of people that loved him so they also him but we just had blake our second child. She's an infant so I'm trying to tend to her. I'm yelling you know for the game and My cousin was over and she's like. Hey she was like are you okay? And I'll take the baby for a second and I gave her the baby and I one of them and I was crying and she was like are you okay and the Guy Disney. The moment you know can command me but also because I didn't know what was going on so I think like the unknown of not knowing what's happening then you're trying to contact family members who are like Kinda panicking over there. Because they don't know what's going on and then you have only so many people you can actually contact for information but in that process something so traumatic and so it feels so long. It's like the longest time in because you're so far away I'm in Seattle. It felt like forever to find out like information. What's going on? And there was so funny because it was family there then the jokes and humorous are coming in. Because they're like okay he's okay and I'm brands. Mom Tights me like funny things so it was kind of like those roller coaster of emotion because the unknown. I think what Michael saying like that fear of not knowing like you literally. There's nothing you can do your Kinda just like an empty and youthful hollow. Because you don't know what's going to happen. I was wondering about that because when there is an injury like that and I remember seeing. Your father was on screen on issue guys. The camera showed him trying to figure out how to get to the Field Bennett. Their father he went to Texas. A&m Texas is Michael Bennett helpless feeling. Gm calling for his son from the stands hopefully will get a chance to go and then as fans and reporters were trying to figure out. Okay what's going on here? How do you get that information? Twitter joke I mean in some cases maybe out. I would hope that you get it before other people. Yeah I think. Every team has their point of contact that you would hit up for different injuries. Different things that you can get information from anyone else. You hit up them. But sometimes there's a stall in that also in so even if it's like a ten minute stalled at can philly thirty minutes to an hour and then you have other people trying to tell you what's happening but they don't really know you know they're just trying to help you. Modern trying to heal the moment. And you're like okay. I don't I can't listen to you because I need to know the actual facts and so I think just the waiting time of not knowing it just feels like forever so I think it just depends my first concussion. Karen remember anything high school or I don't know like I can't pinpoint the moment. Is something like that happened over ability for it I liked the first one I ever got really was an NFL. By Dakota Watson is little was I was. I wasn't even play standing on the sideline he ran into him. I'm not even NFL. Like but he hit me. When I was looking and those Mike my first one and Tampa Bay. What'd I feel like I don't know if I mean if it just feel like like it was like you feel like you? Bill is wrong first time that I felt like I had a concussion. You can try to describe the feeling for people who have no idea what it actually entails. I felt like it was basically like racquet ball. I guess like my head was going back and forth it and I don't know for me. I just felt like it was just like a ringing in the bill. Type thing issue but I do think the concussions like is individuals grow. I think some people with the concussions. They dependent on how success they WANNA have in the league. I think a lot of times concussion. You get swept under the rug because the person wants to had success. Nobody wants to be know as somebody. I can't compete or can't pay through injury or something like that so I think a lot of people high the concussion is because they want to get back out there when we step potential they they wanna give money and I think it comes down to money for a lot of people Kelly. How is learning about concussions affected you I think it really touches you d I think also because not only learning it through him but experiencing witnessing through other families you know having you know making friendships you have all these friendships with people that you meet and you don't realize that they become your family you know in a sense and so two also witnessed them go through something you know the traumatic experience of their partner their husband Going through concussion and then not only that moment but maybe more so than after but you know how it affects them later in the relationship in the family. You know it kind of What they have to deal with what they have to go through and I think that has been an eye opener for me then sometimes like you WanNa talk about it and you really don't know what to say because there's still so much information like you're still learning about you still trying to figure out what this is. What's going to happen after the symptoms and aftereffects but I think also sometimes conversation becomes kind of empty because you just kind of like dumbfounded. What are some of those after effects that you've seen hit people later in life? I think like loss of communication you know. I think they really WANNA be secluded. Just isolate yourself you know. I think if I'm speaking in terms of like marriages than it would be the loss of communication just winding down where the household is not functioning. How it was on a regular you know everyday stuff with children or whatever it is that you do in a family. I think that areas like you. Can't you want to explain how you're feeling the motion but it you don't have the words to express it and then there's this wall that comes up and literally the communication goes from your at one hundred? It literally goes to zero goes to nothing. Michaels is something that concerns you as well for me. I think concerns meave personally not I. It concerns me as a whole like as a player because I felt like players are usually dehumanize and so as a player I think is important that each player raise rises to the occasion to talk about. Concussions is a big issue because of that reason that we have to make sure now we're just not fighting for the players that are playing now. Five hundred players who come in from behind us and the players already already retired Coming up how. Michael's injuries can affect him and his family's Day to day life. Espn daily is brought to you by ADT. What is real protection? Well when it comes to your home real protection means. Adt The nation's number one smart home security provider with Adt. You get all of the latest innovation in Smart Home Security combined with twenty four seven monitoring from the most trusted name in home security. You get everything from video doorbells indoor and outdoor cameras smart locks and lights controlled from the eighty APP or the sound of Your Voice. So what are you waiting for? Help protect your home with. Adt Go to ADT DOT COM slash podcast today. If you play on Sunday. What does Monday morning look like for both you now? Mondays is crazy because like when my kids were school. I used to hate Mondays. 'cause like everybody had to go to school so it was like it wasn't like I was getting sleepy and it was still like six thirty flight. Pele did a good job of not trying to wake me up or whatever but my daughter always Blake Dan. I see last night so they always get excited because they haven't seen you in the day and a half and is good that your kids. Michigan's I feel like one day probably will miss you when they see you but as going your kids coming a jump on you and do all that kind of stuff so but usually why the kids at school. I'll try to go Monday. You had to go back up and you had to watch the place that you did what you messed up. Also you kind of get up early in kind of start to rehab his early and then you try to figure out how to get your massages but the worst part is going to the film. I hate going watched the film at the game. Because it's like like if you win you have to stay all day. You lose at the State all day in your cycle. You lose feels like somebody die. Mondays are just like a mix between going to work and trying to recover but the pain is there though. The pain is definitely on the Monday. You still get sore Sunday. You KINDA YOU. Kinda feel really good. Monday buffalo Tuesday's the hardest day 'cause like two days after the game like you. Finally I feel like you have so much journalism running during a game. That is just that you don't really feel it as much as you do on Tuesday because Monday's still kind of moving around in to kind of sit like you don't sleep as much Monday. 'cause backup ten o'clock you might get home at three at the facility at ten so he slept three or four hours and then you get back up and in Tuesday. Really go to sleep and you wake up. You're like Oh my God. What happened to me? Just stay up for stiffy. Everything's hurt and he does and he's like you still got to do stuff around the house you know. You can't be there and Tom. I can't do that so not because your wife wants you to do it because you just want to be like. I'm not you just want to be like I'm superhuman. But you not. Let's see like on Tuesday. Tuesdays would be the day that like you see him in the most pain besides him not sleeping all Sunday night. You know he's laying down in the. Tv comes on. I have to be up with the kids. So it's different roles that were you know and at that moment. I'm like DUDE TURN THE TV OFF. And he's like he can't sleep But I think Tuesday to me also from what I see is like is the most pain level is like the worst but Tuesday's is already when he started getting his Rehab so he'll starts getting worked on that day So it's kind of like. Oh say Monday is kind of a blur. Sometimes I and then Tuesday you get back into the rhythm ago. How cognizant are your kids what you go through your body. I think my kids getting my daughter's her whole life is my thirteen or her. Life has been football pretty much. She so adjusted to it. She thirteen she'd been college. She'd been NFL so she adjustment is just something that she's used to think for her. She says I can't say I've had like a injury prone career. I've been hurt like every single game every single day but I've had injuries were just nagging stuff like Mafia tober. My kids. They always laughing my feet because the billions and stuff. They hate the daddy's feet but at the same time. I love my feet but I'll like they've I flunked. My daughter's adjusted to off like she's ever been like data. She always good. Are you okay? Whenever I'm at home accused always do. They can't even get you some water. So flay marketers do a great job of you know making sure that I'm okay. We hear a lot about the effect that has on players bodies in terms of pain both immediately and in the long term. How does pain effective family as well? I think affects everyone because I also different in our family. We do everything together so save. Some of US will be cooking helping out. You know the basic stuff you doing your house. Do the dishes laundry watching a movie. But I think like when he's hurt it affects all all of us so the kids will see it you know. And because they're all daddy's girls also they like get affected via so they get sad they go. Oh Daddy can't do that because he will get worked on in so people think about during that week of recovery. He's not with US watching movies going out doing stuff like that like we're doing everyday stuff and he's getting worked on getting Rehab. He's getting you know his massages and so many different things that he has to do to recoup for the end so it's like the football season even though they only play one day. It's like football season. Not that I'm a single mom during the season but like mold joke around with other wives like yeah. We're kind of living the single life with the kids because we don't have that our partner with us on an everyday basis. That people may think we do. What's the worst injury of his? You've ever witnessed? Oh yes this is another moment ozone on October earlier remember. He got the ball north through the tightening hitmen. Becker slaughter all my my my my Benetton shaking know what happened to you. Never Monique again. But it wasn't like a known thing just like it was kind of like little shock but the took us up to the game budget. Remember her in the going to merge in MRI machines like and. I gotta take them. Every single year has taken Emara and so after an associate night I was just like all amped up and I was like I want to get in there so they gave me some of that medicine. I was probably trying to pull me into the car and there was like I was like a dead body charged. She was trying to pull into the car. People prioritize murder me. She's also for those against much much smaller than you. So that sounds very challenging shlaim. Does you got carshield? Like legs for your. What do you remember about that? No I remember it happening. We were riding in the ambulance to the hospital and he already. You know seemed fine at that moment but they still have to cover all the precautions and make sure he's good but I'm like you said he doesn't like to get into the machine and so that's where it goes from like being very worried to almost like get in there because we need to get home because their home waiting and then having you know. I don't know what they gave him but trying to get him in the car. That was a struggle. There's a workout struggle is late. It's February you've got a big decision to make. What's the process like? I mean the process really is like everything else. I've just sit back and wait to see what happens. It really is to see who calls. Who DOES THIS? Who Does that? You know there's so many strings to it but really for as my position I just. There's nothing I can do. I literally just sit back and wait. And then what's the next plan? You have described the amount of pain. The sport puts you in the challenges that come with it your enthusiasm about a post. Nfl Life what that will bring and yet you're still deciding you might still play. Why is that I think is I think it's a love for gamma think he's people end up being something that you just love? I think I mean for me. I Love I love. I like football from just like the plan perspective. But just like the history of the sport. The coaches the how the game started Everything about like that part of the two so I like that that personal along process in just figuring out just like okay. I feel like you've got to go to process. I've finished my process it. Thanks so much. Thank you for having us. Thank you for having us. And it's nice to see a lady on the Mike on the other end coming up by the Toronto Raptors are coming for everyone's necks Here's another story. I want you to know the Toronto Raptors are really really good. I know we haven't talked about them much here and I promise that will change soon. But they're one of the best teams in the NBA sitting just behind the bucks in the Eastern Conference and they're also one of the warmest Toronto Centre Serge. Ibaka surprise just teammates with a gift. And we've got audio of this moment. Courtesy of a now deleted instagram story. York vehicle in New York. So I've got something you guys stop. Now that's what I call free throws right anyway. Swell surge presents were certainly timely. Given the weather they didn't come out of nowhere. This story are. Shall I say this? Yarn goes back to early February when a clip of a Bacha and his teammate. Og Anan Oh be discussing. Fashion went viral. We saw we have lots of our garage fire. I'M GONNA get one too and you've got one next time when I was wearing mine. You have to act like you did it. I I had the SCAR. I G Lynch as something. This is your second second league. The League okay. I've been a scarf game ten years. Not You haven't. Oh yes one at two or G I don't you saw. I don't dress afterwards. Anna nobis showed up at the Raptors Game Against Indiana wearing a plaid scarf wrapped around his head and a Bacha Top Tim. By donning what appeared to be a full length. Blanket around his neck the size. Of which would lenny. Kravitz proud. Now it's unclear if an OB is going to strike back you get a little nitpicky in the comments of bacchus photo writing influenced you. I showed you a scarf is say thank you to me. You're welcome so while it would seem that. Baca ENDED THE GREAT TORONTO SCARF WAR WITH HIS GENEROUS GIFT. It might not be a rat just yet and this has been ESPN daily. I'll talk to you tomorrow.

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How To Foster Empathy (with Michael & Pele Bennett)

Good Kids: How Not to Raise an A**hole

24:46 min | 1 year ago

How To Foster Empathy (with Michael & Pele Bennett)

"Welcome to good kids how not to raise soul. We have a special episode of Good Kids for you this week that we want to tell you a little bit about thank view Eli all right everyone just I am the CEO of Lebanon media. Help run things behind the scenes and I also read these ads every week with my husband. Eli Who's our COO. Oh and on today's episode where you're like so frigging excited to bring this to you. You get to hear from current. NFL Defensive Lineman Michael Bennett and his wife. Pele Bennett who are her adoring parents and when lemonade had Michael Impel record this very episode. In the fall we love them so much and I think they loved us to that. We decided added to bring them into the lemonade. Immediate family with their very own podcast series that's their new show called mouthpiece that's M. O. U. T. H. P. E. A. C.. He like the peace. Sign with Michael Bennett premiered. Just last week on January thirty first after hearing them on good kids today. We hope that you'LL WANNA listen and subscribe to their new show so as well mouthpiece brings you inside Michael and Pele's experience as an NFL family moving around the country from Seattle Super Bowl champions to Philly to Boston to Dallas. They had their daughters with them all along the way and it is really interesting to get behind the curtain and see what it's like to live in the NFL. Yeah I I cannot imagine what. It's like to run around the country all these different places with three kids. I thought parenting was hired. I I heard about Michael Bennett when I listened to his New York Times bestselling book look on audible. It's called things that make white people uncomfortable. You should definitely check that out. Yes I also had the chance to read air quotes Michael's book on audible an ally and I were just down in Miami for the Super Bowl doing some press and recording from skis and audible as you can probably hear as a new sponsor for good kids also also a sponsor for mouthpiece and some other lemon shows and Pele pulled out her phone and had about one hundred audible books on there. Yes it was Super Fun we we were talking about are different cues we. We helped add a couple of books to her cues including Clint. Smith's poetry book called counting descent and also sapiens by Yuval Harari which chronicles human civilization and unjust. And I added a few to argue from Liz as well. Yeah we are so grateful for good things you can put in your ears. That's what lemon tries to do. Every single day for you and audible audible is no different on audible. You can download and listen to books offline anywhere anytime. The audible APP is free. Things are the best things and can be installed on. SMARTPHONES can be installed on tablets. You can even listen across devices without losing your spot which is a miracle of science. So if you already rock podcasts. And you do you you can rock audible to and every month audible. Subscribers get one credit to pick any title plus to audible originals from monthly selection. You get access to Daily News Digest just like The New York Times and Wall Street Journal. You get access to guided meditation programs. which like we all frigging need this week? Good kids listeners. That's you get get a free audible trial go to audible dot com slash. Good kids or you can text good kids to five hundred dash five hundred that's audible dot com slash. Good kids or text. Good kids to five hundred five hundred you can also check out mouthpiece for free when Michael Impaler were in the studio with us for the good kids episodes. We didn't even know how frigging funny. They were going to we on their own show so check that out. It's on every podcast APP. You can think of end for the double whammy. You can get Michael's book things that make white people uncomfortable with your free audible trial. See what we did there audible dot com slash. Good kids or text. Good kids to five hundred dash five hundred so now. Let's turn it over to Michael and Palay Bennett to drop. Drop some knowledge about good kids. Enjoy the show. This is Michael in Pele. And you're listening coming to good kids on Thursday many kids but we'll say there's kids out there we have three girls are old as is Peyton. She's twelve than we have blake. Who are eight year old and then our youngest? It's only Jesus firecracker one she's five to me me. What is it good kid? I think a good kid is a kid who is humble and I think a kid that is able to voice their pain in a way. That's respectful and a kid that is able to you have compassion and empathy for other people. The I think empathy I think kids need to if they could learn empathy at an early age it would do them good long-term what do we do to help. Our kids foster empathy. I think is experiencing the thanks to experiences that we take our kids through. We'll take until different places and let them see how other people are living in. Also we'll have them have a community service. I think community doing stuff within their community and working with people. I think it allows them to see that you know. They're not the only thing that's living. There's other things that are living around them. It's not only that we are just preaching to them like we actually do stuff with them. They're not just there to watch us like they're being active. The we recently started a new program. It's easy and so it's childhood learning on healthy food and so we implemented this year and and it did so good. We had a lot of different teachers. Come in even parents of the children that said they're preschoolers didn't know the difference from you. Know an apple orange they did it know what things taste like where it comes from and so they just immediately because it wasn't sweet. The Mike turned it off. Want that so now after they went through our program in learned what these things were where they come from how they can even cook so they can participate in the kitchen. Which I think is important with families now? They're more excited and they weren't conscious. Okay so one of the teachers told us recently that the parent was driving with their kid and the the whoever it was a mother father was Kayla. WanNa go to McDonalds and at the child was like no you. You can't eat that because it's full of fat cholesterol. He started breaking down process foods. And so I think just the fact that they were constantly aware of that and they knew the difference because even adults don't so I feel like the program is so successful because the children are learning is such a young age but they're also teaching their parents we are the engagement pillar was nineteen twenty twenty. Yeah so we got like a good grasp of like raising kids earlier and then also growing in a profession that requires you to move around a lot in your kids kids to experience a whole bunch of different types of realities. What is the reality at back home where people were living under the poverty line earned in going to a place where people have success in a lot of money and trying to get your kids to understand that the world's not like that is one of the hardest conversations and situations to deal with and I think we've done a great job because we literally were dating since high school and so we have experienced a lot of stuff together experience each other as kids? We supposed to his kids so now we we are able to work with our kids. Liked it too. What are the things? Our parents do to shape us to be good. The humans grow a pillow Tell you things that I feel like her. Parents did good as grown up with her and watching her and seeing how she became the woman she did. I think Personally when I used to come over there I saw her. Parents have really involved in a church and there was always strange people at the house but it was because they were helping other people who didn't have the means to even though they didn't have the greatest means or whatever. They were always willing to help people you know when we talk about family when I used to watch her parents and I used to go to the house and like my parents were good but you know her parents they we're really family oriented. They always used to have like Monday. Night Study Nice with the Church and the elders used to be over and they're just always doing stuff I'm like always he's doing stuff. They will always go around to different things. Sometimes she would tell me. I'll talk to her about experience of Mike you did and as a kid and like funny to see how much how involved are parents was uh-huh growing up and I just think I just think it's very interesting to see how watching you grow up in seeing all stuff that your family did an those and all that stuff like your mom is just like a superwoman warming actually like when I think about like super women I actually think about your Mama. Because she's like a woman raise all these kids were still seven of them and she moved from Hawaii. I start her own business and doing all these different things and it's just like this. There's no there's no there's no there's no wonder why you able to like you had just had a great example. Alice just trying someone. They're like Dita's banking's when you're a kid and I was like no actually did it and they were asking me if my siblings how much we fought. Because we're talking about our own kids and I said you know what I was like. There's seven of us in on one hand. I can count. How many times actually fought with my siblings as kids like honestly and I have three older sisters three younger brothers we never fought? I call my mom and I'll say Kale. How did you get it where none of us ever like? Were nagging each other biting. You know we had to do something. We're just like okay. Go and she she goes. Oh it was out of love in eltek. Okay that sounds Corny. Because our answer was like it was like she. I thought she was like dismissing me. Like okay pellet with love keep going but I would like you know what else I honestly I do think it was that because my parents were always around we had a family business so they were always around we did did. We did a lot of things together. We would go on different experiences together in the city or we're traveling growing up in a family business. We already have. We're spending a lot of time and so from all the time it's like we really knew each other and like now as adult like I'm so thankful for having all my siblings and spend time with them and you know being close with them now but I do think think what. Michael said that. We just did everything together. Like literally and I think it's just time and talking like real talking not calling someone email taxing like really one on one in person just talking about stuff your feelings. What you're doing if you're mad my dad would be like? Oh Europe's okay you come with me and we would hash it out and talk about but not just let us sit in boyle and dwell and then we don't even know what we're arguing about type of thing I think if you don't have that model growing up of having empathy as an adult. I feel like it's something that you have to see. A lot of people will now were behind our keyboards. Boards were behind our phone. We're like we're just not as even though we're online for not really engaging with anyone if you're like me you've got stuff lots of stuff stuff that's been sitting there for way too long stuff you've been bringing with you across the country as you move taking up valuable space adding to clutter in your life but the new year is a perfect time to finally deal with it. Yes it's February but it's still the A frigging New Year people and I'm not talking about throwing it out or hiding it even deeper in the closet I'm talking about selling it on macari. No macari the selling APP. Yep that makes selling almost anything fast and easy. So here's where you begin. You go through your home. You find all your stuff that you didn't use in two thousand nine hundred nine or your partner stuff. If you're like my wife all your your kids crap that they never use them you bought and now it's a waste with forty five million that's million downloads in the US and one hundred and fifty thousand new listings everyday man. You guys have a lot of crappy cell. It's time to download macari so ring in the new year with less stuff in your home and more money in your pocket with macari. That's that's an E. R. C. A. R. I.. macari the fabulous selling out. Steve something that interferes with your happiness or is preventing you from achieving your goals. Also I think that's another podcast that I need to launch right now. Better help online. Counseling is there for you. Better help offers. Licensed professional counselors who specialize in issues such as depression stress relationships grief self-esteem anxiety and more. It sounds like my Lincoln profile. You can connect with a professional counselor in a safe and private private online environment at your own time and at your own pace. It's so convenient and anything. You share is confidential. I love that it's secure and I also love the better help allows allows you to swap out your counselor if you're just not like in love with the first person they match you with for no additional charge because trust is really important people and they even have financial aid available for those who qualify qualify. Go to better help dot com slash. Good kids fill out a questionnaire to help them. Assess your needs and get matched with a counselor. You'll love as a special offer for our listeners. Get Ten percent off your first month with code good gates. Don't delay get help today at better. Help Dot com slash good kids. I think kids struggle with today. I think a lot of times. I feel like our kids in a situation that we put in because The success that we had I think our kids his struggle with the sometimes dealing with if they are in a situation where they feel like. There's not enough of them. You know me or somebody that looks like I didn't with a UH with the skin color their hair and stuff like that so I think a lot of times has to explain to them that the is what what guy gives the under special and how they look in holiday talk in the hair trigger alert but reinforce that they're special and I think that's important when when it comes to people who are teachers that look like them are learning about their own history and stuff that's important to their own culture and help we know grows individuals so a lot of times is apparent. You gotTa Take hands-on dog approach by going to the schools in volunteer a lot and I think we do a lot of that whether Teaching Hoping Teaching History or coaching on the teams or going on field trips I think our kids have to deal with a lot so we have two parents and I think sometimes now we're parents were so busy with all the work that we were cost answering the facebooks answering the twitter twitter the easing. We're looking at other people's life judge in our lives on on their expectation. Instead of taking on a hands on approach until getting into our own schools in our own environment remain all communities and being all resource that we wanna see I think having to do with our kids is something that they have to deal and I think as parents to things that are dealing with or things that we have to do it. We can't think that because kids are dealing with A. That's not. Our problem is definitely our problem and we have to help them find a solution in their own way but in a way to seize his hands off but when you have parents who are very involved kind of helps you shape your parenthood. What's your marriage is GonNa look like by how you mimic that you know saying? We hate to say mimic but we a lot of times. We were mimicking where parents or we also fight and not to be like liked them. So it's like there's a sex sized half of us. Fifty percent of us are like. Yeah my parents were like this. I'm going to be like that. And the other fifty percent like my parents did this. I'm going to do the opposite or the Parents Act. It definitely shapes us for adulthood in in our marriage life in an apparent in two thousand seventeen Thursday incident between the police officer myself when I was just being a loyal citizen of America give soil and And I had a gun to my head I had a gun in my head. I think a lot of times as parents various people want to parents want to whether the copiers rier the players right or the person the citizens right at the end of day there. The lack of humanity eighty four when my child feels if they lose a father with my wife if she loses a husband. So I think there's a lot of that that people misconstrued and they don't have any compassion empathy for for and I think that incident for myself was very very gut wrenching to think that this could be the end or something so simple can turn into something so violent. I feel like you WanNa keep that Christmas thing your kid for as long as you can. I call it the Santa Clause if back you want to keep the Santa Claus affect all your kids as long as you can. The Santa Claus effect is for the listeners is to keep that the majestic life thing where the kids are feeling feeling like like they can keep their childhood and they don't have to go into the realities of the true world. I think a lot of times. There's kids we lose their that affected three years old when they go that you know they don't get food or whatever it's like you don't have that childhood where they get to know cautiously takes unicorns and do all those things that keep kids young and when you have to tell your kids about the life if it just sucks because then they have to see the world for what it really is and there's enough of that when you see how everything really is and is Kinda desperate your day sometime. You don't want your kids to Kassi. There's the world's doom and gloom and I I think for us when you speak to kids and have to tear down. I think that's the hardest thing for us is now. She has to see the world for how it truly is. When you're a person of color and the things that you can experience not just reading your book but a first hand experience for someone that she loves dearly and closer art and I think when you sit sit there and talking to her and she gets emotional? You get emotional because you know that you know the fear is reality and I think that any hurt hurt Israel via Israel because to the world. There's just a football player or black man who experiences something that happens on a daily basis to people of color but to her happened happened to her dad now. The fear doesn't feel so far away the fears near is closer is breathing on her neck and I think that's the hardest thing to explain to your kids when they feel the difference is not they. They start to feel that they're not the same anymore. They started feel different infamy. I think that was really hard to explain to her. And I think there's tears tears as coming from each of our is because this is how this is the validation that you know because you're black or this this could happen to you and I think that really hurts because now our kids aren't they don't feel kids they feel like a black kid they just don't feel like a kid. They feel like a women now are a girl like it's not just being a kid. They have to identify where more thanks to the realities of life and I think that's harsh for parents constantly deal with or constantly. Tell their kids. But then there's the other side of is to tell your kids not to be fearful and not got to fear because they have to fear if they start to life in fear in every single thing every single thing that gap to the shelter life so you know be able to not have I fear and is just constantly move on regardless of the bears continuously break Dow. Don't fear I'm just go head on with them and try not to you know be so cautious which alive be smart but don't have so much fear that you can't do exactly what you want to be because of your color don't have fear that you can't beat the boss because you're a woman Eh. They'll have fear of those things is constantly just continues to work hard and don't worry about those things and that's a hard thing to tell kids like well. Dad that happened to you so why should not have have to do that. Why shouldn't they be watching? I'd be scared to tell you that happened to me but I got back up and are dust myself off the grid. I have is sticky fight and take this for both of us as parents. I feel like we humans. were all doing something different. Someone's creating something new. I don't think it's ever GONNA be peaceful. I don't think ever be perfect. He said I don't think it'll ever just be great because everyone's perspective everyone's views are so different but I do think that if we just trying to understand each other instead of trying to solve you you know attack point your finger at trader wrong. You know because everyone's right and wrong is a little different but if we just try to understand each other whether I feel it it was right or wrong. Then we can keep moving and I feel like that's also with my kids in the house if they're fighting and they're poking each other or they're fighting over one object. It's it's like using the language you know how you speak to someone you're not gonNA say. Hey give me that now. You know because that's obviously we're putting empathy compassion all of that into it but it is a language. How are you speaking to each other as adult Harley? Speaking to each other because I can still mean Michael can have a good argument. You know or whatever debate eight by the end of the day like we all love. Each other whistle are going home to the same house but our views might be different and I feel like for able to teach children that just understand hand a little more. Whether you're right or wrong you can still keep moving forward. I think limited peripheral gotta take the phones away. Even it is apparent like I get on my phone or on her phone. She gets on her phone world. Don't let it will fly to people were flawed This is Michael Bennett. And this has been episode of. Gut's yes you can find our foundation online at the Bennett Foundation Dot Org. It has oliver information programmes things that we do all over the US and and actually in a few other countries you can follow me on Instagram at Pele pels P. Te l. e. p. e. l. s. you could follow me Moses Brit seventy-two which probably won't get a lot of information on there put something on every once in a while but you do you can beg US good. Kids is a production of lemonade media. Media it's produced and edited by Andrew. Stephen our executive producer is Stephanie. WHITTLES WAX and our music is by Dan Molad ad sales and distribution by Westwood. One you can find got more about lemonade online at lemonade media. If you liked what you heard share rate review say great things about us. Wait wait this is live Waco wakeup this the Fisher trail of the brand new podcast by Michael and Pillai Benaco mouthpiece were lemonade media. I'd say we've made on the bus and I said that. She wanted to marry me when she saw me but she does recall the story being that way I was on the bus and she needed to push it. I was just like you could see her. Pele we've been negative. That is not true at all this was going on the best in you. Were on that bus a couple of times and then I decided to not take the bus anymore. Not because of you know I remember meeting you and actually didn't link you looks. It was more of your personality in really goofy allowed. You relate the clown in the hallway and You kept trying to ask me out. Talk to me Hi to more than one. Every week we're going to talk twitch other in our friends about things like the NFL in sports and we're going to talk about culture of course in a state of politics in other news recently The NFL people getting backlash from the redskins again because of their name and people are wondering if they have a name change because imagine if the team was called. You Know The Washington crackers people imag because it'd be like it'd be a racist slur and if it was the Washington in were full they will be able to play at all and we're going to talk about raising kids in this is crazy getting world buccaneer. Rely on Peyton is the main reason why I feel like I've made it this far. NFL honestly because I feel like at that point look at hers like another level of like you cannot fail you cannot fail. You can let yourself down but you cannot let this trial down like you have to be able to provide for and we're definitely gonNA talk about s e x six to be honest communication during your tip communicate while you're having sex. If he's in the wrong area let him know you. Don't make it be painful sexy from saint in a in a bad way you know you gotta say it in a nice way way. Move because really you can sing it. You can do whatever you want but you gotta help him out which is going to help you grow so let him know what he's doing wrong. Every week you'll get protest. Most you're welcome in events we're also GONNA talk about whatever we want to is our show. We'll be air new episodes of mouthpiece every Friday. Please don't forget to subscribe now on Apple. spotify edifying stitcher or wherever. You listen to podcasts when you try to have your family whether in the bathroom and your car just make sure you subscribe now

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Battle of the Sexes: Super Bowl Champs Edition

Mouthpeace with Michael Bennett & Pele Bennett

1:01:42 hr | 1 year ago

Battle of the Sexes: Super Bowl Champs Edition

"You wake up. Wake up a wake up. Wake up a I said what wake up you're listening to mouthpiece Michael Bennett and Pele. Hello everybody you listening to mouthpiece where Michael Pele been in. I guess S. Four something before the show started today. We got us some special guest cliff April and tear April two outstanding human beings to great parents and just two people that are doing a lot of things in the community and mean cliff. Go Way back. We want to together in this without. Get THE DUDE ISSUES. But we did. It was still chasing that thing Dan Marino. Dan gave wise a couple of them. Right now. Rivers. Get One but this is a good conversation because we also. There's not a lot of relationships in sports where you take off the field and I think our family's been pretty close traveling together and doing different things together so it's good to have you guys on. Thanks for having US your Sir appreciate a members that you guys have you guys family so it ain't nothing cancer also yes. We have talked more than they really do. A Lot facetime on the Mike watching each other play videos. But it's interesting to talk about the book. Is We actually hear Miami? And I think we all day radio row and Yeah that's just that's just kind of tiring at the core of him just like everybody's like I don't know I don't know if I like it that much. You know what I will say. Radio row here was a lot more calm than it was in Minnesota so in Minnesota it was completely chaotic because it was in the middle of the mall banned all around. It was a mess. I left him this com. Yeah I mean it's still alive but there's a lot more condom puts things in perspective to how big the NFL is it. Nfl is a powerhouse. People forget that the Super Bowl people on the super bowl like the Olympics super bowl comes to your town. It changes everything about your city as far as far as money but you know they always stay in certain areas and really reach out that much but when they do is is crazy and Michael is telling me that. It's a lot of work and I was like. Oh No it's fine. I was like I'll stay there all day like weaken. Let's go. I TOLD THEM WHENEVER. And then when we got there and halfway through. I say you know what I was wrong first time ever first time ever but I'll have to say to both of you guys. Good job 'cause that's a lot because I text her too. I was like I should have stayed at. The hotel are told her to be doing. You'd probably not going to do this. It's a lot of work and sometimes I'll tell Pele because sometime I will go to L. A. and I'd be working in La but it'd be like whole different seniors not even media's doing a TV show then come and doing and it's like it's just so much sometimes as like attitude as in an La or New York. I'm just like I'm just burnt out. I can't I can't do this but you know what is no different. I actually have. I view is no different from what we did in the NFL from Israel. Different from the standpoint of like it's GonNa take the same type of energy and same type of work if you really want to be good at it and for me. That's kind of my goal so it's going to have to get your reps just like you gotta get your ups and football is just starting all over. Which sometimes for us is Gary. Because we've been doing for so low but one thing on the radio rents A. We're talking to show mad dog and he says something that we thought it was very interested. I don't think it was a bad thing. I think it was just an observation. Says normally I wouldn't. Have you have a husband and wife on my show especially in the sports world and I don't know but see sis earth's US like okay? We'll have you on but I know that kind of a third in sports. Sometimes the wives get isolated and people. I don't know why they do that. But it just makes everybody forget the higher important our wives are. They won't give him the time of day or they won't give them the opportunity to have the same quality of shows that we have and it's like they play such a big partner lies but it was interesting that somebody would have wife. Were actually say something like that. But I also think it's rare to have why like the debt that that Dan dynamic being displayed as well right I mean like you and Pele myself and my wife but you walk into a locker. Room is a high possibility. Might be to that are married. Zan so that that's lacking too but it's also because guys young now I think there's more people continuously disregarding women and it goes beyond. I mean well but it goes beyond the sports. Ram General like this is applicable to many industries. Right I think of course for me in the sports realm it's A little disheartening. Because we know what we go through and everything that we put up within. We have a lot of things so to get in front of the mind. Like I wouldn't talk to you. But since his ex-wife I'll talk to you like you anyway really WanNa know but a lot of the questions where to be honest. They were directed to him for specific things but some of them are general questions that were football questions now. They could have asked me because I was still there. And my point exactly. They're promoting your pocket rex right. There's you and Mike together so better. Prepare yourself and be prepared to ask me questions too because this is my project. They didn't now now. I will say with with me. Obviously having done in having a radio show. I think it's obviously easier to ask Mike Questions. Because there's more information out on Mike than say you and I'm not I'm not giving him a pass defense I wouldn't. I decided that I wouldn't do any shows unless they would take me my wife on 'cause I show. They wanted me to come home by myself here while I was like I'm not going to do. What's the point of me coming to do is show by myself is I'm here for Marlin Park? You know what I'm saying is as far as for questions as a radio personality like I would have more questions for you now have repel because that's not all that information is not doing your job if you're doing your job correctly and you are journalists like as you say you should be then if you haven't seen people on your show then you should be able to come up with some questions for her too because you know that. She's coming to a to promote her project. No I know the easy to me. The easy route is to have questions for your true because some of the questions could've been you know. Yeah they definitely but they weren't looking at me for the answer is probably more exciting. They probably want to hear his take on it. But like you said we both were there so they easily could have been both obviously US women. You guys see the Gender Dynamics in sports and I think it is does go to a level where women are really respected in sports even if you look at the WNBA Wnba. They had to go through just to get more. Their stars can't even get what the bench warmer. Nba's making the towel boy. They got a second jazz salon. These women who are the guys that aren't even playing getting five million dollars. You got the best players in WNBA. Not even make five hundred K. So I do think there's like a gender dynamic in the in the realm of then even in the room at Radio Road. There weren't any former where there were females. But there weren't any they're also interviewing so most of them were like publicists. Mark agents things at nation. You're right there was. They weren't behind the MIC. And so I thought that was interesting that it was older white males that were predominately. The one that we're doing the interviews or that's the common denominator in America but I think that's the thing does really young people don't really understand when we asked for when when you ask for equality in things they think they're like players getting bigger contracts players getting bigger contractors important but I do think people changing everything about sports whether it's the the president of team there's not many of those. There's not many black coaches. It's not many hedge. Commanders not just the blackness or Hispanic is not a lot of like when you see somebody like Odessa outlier. Nothing like what is completely African American if you look at the League I bet it's like eighty five percent American and at the same time you look at the front office. Occupied is like five percent. And which is sad and you put women on top of that. Islam is even more or less is less than that and African American Women Zero Zero Zero Zero. Not but that's rare though and but again going back to America's way like that's Kinda what is right you you take yourself outside of sports you look at Corporate America. Same concept is months old white men that don't WanNa give our they don't want they don't want other people in those doors. I was having a conversation with somebody recently. Where you know the coaches getting jobs like they rather hire thirty two year old coach then a D. Corner Office of quarterback coordinator. That's been doing it for twenty years and still can't get the dog on opportunity and what it boils down to is. They are comfortable talking to people that are look just like them. You know what I'm saying and that's not an excuse. That's not in the past is is the reality of it and they got to get out of your comfort zone because everybody else is overtone. Washington debut comfort zone because the fans don't allow them to be out there. I think it's definitely the fans. Take the Fares. I think everything like fairs like it's like when they is if you San is from your perspective of seeing the people that they like seeing the people who are watching a game and they usually the white males white stuff so he like seeing those people in those positions just like the black. I don't know if that's true. That's what I think. It's just my facts about the fans that come to the way he's in that watched the other things and I remember. They told us did something saying that. It was like the demographic for the NFL IS MIDDLE. Aged white man between twenty one gained thirty five and they watch football. I mean more White People Watch football. That's just effect more white. This is more white people in America but no so not to cut you off. I think there's I think there's more white people that go to games because they can afford the tickets like that's the different. I didn't think that I think there's more going. Smartphones have day but as far as watching games. I think most black males in America. That's all for them to hear. I think yeah I think actually the viewership is more diverse than how thick the at the game women. Also yes because there's a job but I'm saying like football you think low meals. I know a lot of women are fans but they also know their stuff. They know their stats. They know their history. I'm not sure that they don't last cater more to look at the commercials. Look at all the stuff more to because there's I mean that's the viewership that's why why would you? Why would you care to somebody? Why would you have as an avon product trying to control that? I get what you're saying but I'm also saying that they cater to the folks that's GonNa go out and buy and unfortunately so white people but unfortunately we follow that trend too and that's part of the problem too like it's the. Oh they're doing it too so they must be the right way of doing define we because I'm not in that we there are now. I mean we do what we WANNA do. I'm saying in general though like when we watch a product like we see most products they have white folks on there and to a lot of people like the whole thing right. Oh that's what success looks like so they put that on TV. And you assume that's what you need to do or get to kind of cater be like them innocent and I think it's unfortunate but whatever material but seriously yes yes because that's all they promote on TV anyways laughable push the culture in as an emmy like the influence of black coaches absolute brands that maybe why people are purchasing. Sit In there. I still like the NFL or sports in general when you talk about the holiness of these sports from I feel like they catered more to wipe demographics and I think that's I mean their defense like you said they. That's what they see. They WANNA see which I do. Think the fans if more fans when I say fans off Lake Fans Control. What the League does if the fans want to see a certain player day-by-day Jersey so that player's GonNa be lifted. More so affairs wanted when capital? Canea fans really care then. Everything would have changed. It didn't because didn't really what they really bothering them. They were more offended by what he did than actually being like. Oh he's doing this and it's the writing do they? Were like you stop in our game. You offend in those so phase. Control everything that the lead. Dirk because desk. They moneymakers their consumers. What they're going to build is the audience that they build an everything for so in a sense. I'm saying that they when they see white. Quarterbacks is like or white this white. This isn't the normal. Because that's that's what I didn't hear the fan man you probably remember we had NFL PA meeting one time. And I was asking the Rep way like why aren't there more black folks getting these major deals right and and I was talking about J. J. Watt and some of these other guys or whatever that get all these you know the Papa. John's at the time or whatever the sponsors the league right now is and he told he told me flat out. That's what the companies want so you so you agree with me. I'm saying went through. The whole thing came back and you grow. I go boy the point. I said that I sent more white people go to buy tickets. Can afford them. So yes you cater to the people that are going to come to the game. That's going to spend money which you I think just bringing it back to the gender thing. I think that it's GonNa take like you. People like you and cliff to be more forthcoming with like you have to hear my wife. I had to say you have to respect that. She has an opinion. They have things to say because they they are going to disregard us because that's what they have continuously done in the past whatever and it's GonNa take you guys change in their notion like even something as simple as when we go into these social settings and you are introduce yourselves. People are people. Come up if y'all don't turn around and say Oh and this. Is My wife kind of thing? You Disregard D- don't say if you don't introduce because I don't think one it takes nothing for you to say. Excuse me and this is my wife to acknowledge me now. Now if money the cliff has met before then I know the routine not times out of ten. He probably don't remember their name which is why he does not a thousand percent. Yes so then. I'll interject thing. Okay excuse me and I'm glad y'all have to get better at just acknowledging us and making sure our presence known in the room and this definitely but doesn't mean that's the reason why we doing podcast and that's why I was. I thought it was important to make sure people understood like this. Is the package deal like you? Just I'm not gonNA come do a show if you're not going to have my wife on because it's not just about you. Yes as Knowledge Index. She has a voice in the whole thing. Funny that you said that because in the beginning I was saying. Oh well if he needs to talk about football because this is you know Football Week. I was like go ahead and do it and I think that also takes part to realize that it'd be like no. I do need to say something. We need to speak. But I wasn't allowed that he did that but at the same time I was trying to play the game. I'm giving it to him right now publicly. You will want to make sure that you know it is like sometimes you kind of have to know how to play in it also and I think is one of those times that I was trying to figure it out also but also to is for the for the player to also now is the wife but also think that the the wife should have also have the confidence to be like. I'm here like you got to me. I'm Jacky Journal. Is What Alan but some some women that do they okay. She doing too much. Oh I never saw or when you speak up. It's not even acknowledged. I have been in spaces where I'm like. Hi I'm Kelly are really speaking up and nothing. I'm they went over. There was more business like is if for example like in this situation like I feel like podcast basing on with my wife like I feel like she should do man her respect at all times like sometimes. I won't be able to like somebody speaking out for you sometime. This won't be the same as you saying. Like what the Fuck Are you not listening? You follow with her. She say five. Yeah Bahar who can't follow follow like you solidify in it. I just said I'm saying this space apple like in this space like because you know like for example of a woman goes into business with her husband and of his visit vice versa if the if the woman has more fame than the husband or the husband has more fame than a wife like if we go into something. You should acknowledge. You should already know that. That's going to be a part of the conversation. Don't get you. Don't get offended when it happens because now lock nothing against you is just those people are looking at now. This is this person. He's done this in like now. I disagree yes. You can walk into the space and be prepared. This one thing right but is still doesn't mean that I don't have the right to be offended right because you still being dislike because the person is still being disrespectful regarding me so yes I do need to be forthcoming and be strong and make sure my voice is being heard at the same time. Sometimes that she is exhausting. Live it on us all the time while. What I'm saying though is that we know that might happen in the place but it but time we build up our company would build up the way they wanna be there. Where mean you have been in different settings and I'll just all of a sudden my attitude comes out and changes and he's like what's wrong like that one time? We're with one of our friends. Aaron and we're with a realtor. This is an example and he came up. Said hello to both males. I was standing right there. You can't miss you hold on. Yes that's what you were about to say. And so he just totally disregarded me and I immediately got so upset and I was trying to keep my composure but Michael. Not Trying to blame you. But he didn't say anything about it in which made me a little like ours. Everybody immediately came to me and was like. Hey what's up? And I was like what and he goes. I just felt like the energy shifted. Everything changed and I feel like immediately. I'm like okay. You saw what I saw you know so I think there's are there times where you might honestly not have noticed that I mean I'm not saying that I see every single thing. Yeah but I'm saying if you look at House I'm the I'm not even look at sometimes in. The mail always comes with excuses. Look at people is when I was in my mind was on the House and the House is gonNA cost. No no at that point though. I don't even care about the house because I know nothing together in. That's what it is. We came in as a couple looking at a place that we're purchasing to gather. That was very. He's very disrespectful right. But at the same time to think you have to understand your mate to in like kind of give them grace. Sometimes he might not just see what you see or he might get the benefit of the doubt. What I'm saying says blaming him at that time but I was kind of like she was like he didn't see that but this other person did this other man saw again. I didn't call them. Washington out six eight. Do Look right behind me. Introduce the people vs job. I mean but at the same time up for above real people fuck up by no. I was just focused on house more than I was everything else but maybe lots in the situation message one of many examples like I feel like that has happened a lot and I'm not trying to blame you but it has went over your head where you didn't notice that but I also think that you can't connect to be honest in that way because you haven't experienced and I don't know if you will so as it's kind of optical to unfair because sometime after like not not too athletic in a conversation with women and men some time women come from a space where they say that men don't understand at least try though it's not nature that you'll just don't if you're not putting any effort trying to understand our process then the that's the problem of US ended up what you say. Oh you never been overlooked this. I didn't a terrible thing to say that obviously I'm sending their stuff that women understand that they do men who started we go to the two guys. Don't go too if something happens. I don't not going to blame you for. Not If somebody's digress. Choose this is. She's not blaming she was. She was just acknowledging the fact that sometimes you will but both ways I think for the other person to really listen to the person on whatever the issue whatever happened instead of just saying no. That didn't happen to you. I didn't see that like they were. They weren't like defending not defending the person but like just disregarding the situation if you like you know what I didn't notice that but let me take some time to think and you know just trying to understand process. Sometimes it might take a day two days to really even try to kind of get to that like what that felt to her. Stay with us. We'll be right back at the short break. Linda go s when drinks or something chauffeur. 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Women Say I don't think that alignment should depend on every single increasingly depending on you or anybody else to make sure my voice is being heard. But I'm saying you need every time you need to back me have your back. I really period. That's all it is. But that's what he's saying right now. That was not what he was saying. Look he shouldn't have depend on Solo. You should be able to defend yourself and I got your back when you do the future and if if I if I slip up like miss the disrespect but you should address it every. Go round obstinate obstinate and also to in this business world. Because I'm saying to from simple fact that people don't know if if you're in a business which if I'm business which you and you doing Polynesian dancing or something you go in the room or just say hypothetically speaking we got somebody coming in and they they pass automatic because I don't know shit about about this and they're gonNA respect your body of work. I so I'm not going to get offended by that. I'm just going to be like okay. I don't even say I'm not going to get offended by that because every situation would be different. But I'm saying what I'm saying is that you can't tell someone not necessarily mean you can't tell someone you shouldn't get offended by feeling at that moment or they're going through they're going to go through that regardless but what. I don't think you can tell someone and emotion. No I'm not telling motion upsetting to people are in business and they partners and business now is like you have to like if somebody doesn't respect that when we come into the night acknowledging this thing that means they you should just be like. Hey I don't care what they say no matter what they do if they mentioned me. I or they mentioned you. I met you whoever I and something the person is what you WANNA use that platform and springboard like like I feel like Dick Spring Board passed the small-mindedness of the individual who's keeping them from their goal. I think the businesses were prepared but if every single bump that comes along with. Somebody's say oak cliff. I didn't if you didn't we? Never GONNA REESE POTENTIAL. Because we're going to be too busy fighting over the notion of you you've been the most popular person when you walk into a radio. Nfl radio row is just a complete disregard of a females voice. Yeah it is that we're together to do one thing together and I think your example was a little off to me because you don't even know if you knew something about Polynesia dancing or something. That's different so wallace birch where coming into certain spaces example radio row together for the podcast in you specifically asked not to be asked any football questions and you still were so. That's what I'm saying is that we came in together for one thing and it was not football year. But what I'm saying even happened. We stood opportunity to grow our business. I just feel like that's important to know everything. Let's be clear this even situation. It AIN'T STOPPING. We keep on pushing through and we don't keep on making sure 'cause just just women do in general we are just noticing a nuance or situation. I'm in now but as I know but as a male we acknowledge that there's a gender issue in America I agree with you. All how about in your home always agenda gender. Let's be honest. Some people will say. Oh this issue in America issue in America whether it's parenting whatever it is but they're not even doing it in their own home is what I'm saying is that sometimes you have to look at yourself on how you're acting in displaying yourself and how you treat others that starting all of a sudden just blame and that is true people to all people listen and make sure you do what you do. At home into the real world choose dislike instagram. He really feels about zero. And we got all kind of social media and everything going on with But I I guess the whole thing is that there is a gender inequality in the fan experience and especially in the NFL. But I don't know actually know what to do about it except for I don't know how. How do you get past it? How how do as a woman what do you feel that the NFL should do or sports in general when you come into this realm of actually allowing women to have a voice but not even just allowing the women that have a voice but respected voice? Because there's a difference between what respected his way different from me. Do you feel males would respect that though with more women coming in like honestly would they? Now I know because new. Right is for you. Of course you did at first but we have to realize this too if if the white males don't care for another meal with a different skin color like it's going to be hard for just a female to even make that transition to like. They want they want that spot for them. So but what do you do though? What is the what is the what is do? How do we draw the inequality out into the forefront people to see to have other people have this opportunity because like when we had the took a need? That wasn't one thing that we fought for. You know we didn't. It was like we take a niece or women can have voice within the NFL. There wasn't an issue that we mostly let's goes to what Pele's basically saying like you know before he tells somebody else to clean up the house. You need to clean up y'all how so how. How can we as players pull that out and give women more opportunities on looking for? What do you guys think about? How is it starts with the small things like even the the example? I gave in social settings like you all like I know. Sometimes it can be absent on. My is something that you all have to practice and be more intentional acknowledging us and once your asked are forcing people to acknowledge our voice. Then I think it'll be a ripple down to face irving is well. I'm talking about none individually to. I'm talking about companies. I'm talking about like we took a knee with demand. Something how do we demand that the women in the NFL of women that watch this sport women do how do we demand for them to have a voice? What is the what? Would you guys like to see? As far as what that looks like do we are we? Are we also? I'm kind of going back to what I just said. Is They like. It's not even just the female plight. It's everybody else's plate that's that's issue right like executives don't like they don't have black men in there don't have women that don't have white women in the black. It's their spot like they're not giving it up to anybody so it's everybody else's problem but that's something different but my problem is with that is that we have all these different social things every month but the one thing that we have for women is Breast Cancer Awareness and even breast cancer awareness anymore. It's all of them. Yeah because people got jealous or whatever but should there be a women's March within the NFL in sports to recognize the women who have put forth the game on their back in every type whether somebody who's been a part of the video part of the Management Part of the coaching part of anything to do with sports the wise. How can we be better at that? That's really what I'm really trying to get down to. We talking about changing the way. Their gender is being seen with an. Nfl is we could go to our individual battles but as a holistic battle. What is it that we need to do to change their? I honestly don't know but I will say if I would say that starting from the top. I think it's respecting women in general because I might think about talking about different people who are management owners. I'm in very high positions. I feel like the lack of respect for women in those positions. Also there is none. I just feel like in any position that a male has if there's a woman that is next to him it's not she's not it's behind him and I just feel like there's that lack of respect already in that space that women can't hold these different positions of higher power and that's not highlighted. That's not looked upon so I think it would start from the top and and that would have to wait work. Its way down. I feel like if you start from the ground. I mean that only does so much but I'm like you want to kill it. Then you need to aim to the head but Martin to also feel the need for the head also feel like the idea that women playing football is the answer. I don't believe that's the answer. I believe that Santer but they tried to do they. They showed a commercial with the woman during this. What they not showing. But there's been a lot of issues with me just to make you happy. That's what I'm saying is very shallow. What is really dead? What my question is what is what is women really want from the League because when people took took a knee the demand is something. What is it they? Would they want the voice? Would it would. Honestly I think if you were to ask different women in different positions. Maybe women that don't even are not even sports -tunities that's what it is. I feel like they're all going to have different answers. So that's why it's starting from the top because if you don't change the top on their mentality on how they think and view women that's not going to change for my point. Is that if these people who'd you gotTa bring substituted in this show them. This is what we want. I'm saying if you had the car a slice of the pie opportunity would be one of right but a respect would be another but genuine opportunity. It's not it's real opportunity. Just just just gave me opportunity to go back to the same thing with the black coaches getting like the opportunity to get a head coaching job. Is they have a rule in place. So we're going to bring you in explained that rule. Yes can you explain it for people that don't know about it so we can even say where we're starting from the gap go? Hit the wrong room were. The Rooney rule is basically. If there's a a a head. Coaching Job Art Rooney from the Pittsburgh steelers made a rule artisanal versus where they came to an agreement that they have to part of the coaching. Search you have to interview at least one minority coach? But with that rule. It didn't necessarily bring more black coaches. It was just check. Check off the box that okay we we brought them in. We didn't like what he said. We can't relate the blessed fall to explain so I feel like the players also have a role in demanding. What they want for their coaches and what they look like. I believe that each player should bring it up because if we do bring that up is going to be turned to issue because just like we saw the power of the players. The players forget how much power that they have. We always forget that and then we stumbled upon once upon a time and then we do you think that that same notion is not applicable when it comes to force people to respect the voice of your wife you know. I think no. I believe that I'm not saying what I'm saying. I'm saying what I already decide balance the same damn thing. I know what I'm saying is we don't know what I'm saying though is from that perspective is what I'm saying. Is that if if the players want to see more players more players more coaches being the blackhawks being the looked like them then they got a disabled so when I say what an expert what women want because it's important to note is because then we can go into the meetings. It'd be like you know what we need to make a women's women as much within the NFL like where we highlight women. Give him an opportunity. Show women different things. Because if we don't have that then we can have like. We can't turn. You can't turn the page because we have to fight for what we want. What we want is for women to have a month women to have the opportunity to do so. Women are bringing coaches more coaches for for women in general opportunities for mature ship. Different things like that for the whole highlighting different things like. That's the kind of stuff that needs to be done. I feel like with an NFL. I was GONNA say that every team has a women's organization and so they always have different ways that they can get into community but sometimes there are flaws in that where they're not actually reaching the community. They're reaching their you know small areas or not getting out into the outskirts to like. There's so many people in the community that hasn't been touched in so I think this is just an idea. I'm like what if that is something how they get involved. Because if you're having a month crosses in touches so many different areas and topics for women but that's also another way where a lot of wives and significant others want to participate. But they don't feel like it's good enough or it's not put together right and so maybe them using their voices in that way also can help that because obviously the wives us we are just as much of the NFL game in life and you know the way that we are with you guys during the season so we are a part of that and I feel like we do do a lot of giveback also so I think maybe that's an idea was something that they could get us together to put something out. I don't I don't disagree with that I I just wrote something. I was thinking about this hour. While you're talking is go right now said disrespect and we're talking about again. I don't I don't want to sound crazy like we're talking about women and like getting more opportunities in the NFL whether it'd be exempt jobs or whatever it may be right but with that being said as well now if it was all males dominating at exact jobs in the NFL. Then you say okay. Well why aren't there any women in those jobs? It's just white males in these roles so with that being said like it's issue for everybody to your issue. Look there's the Rooney rule so there is a fight for black people but how we just not even something in place for women is not even. There's not even something in place for property. That's what I'm saying so there needs to be something it put in place where women have these opportunities. Would we be happy with it. They just said okay. We have to interview a woman. Well we're not even happy with the fact that they they should interview a black man. That's the start. So then how do we go about? That was part. Black coaches black. Men are told him already if we walk into the NFL experienced. And you walk through there. You don't see very many women. Do you see a white women. Okay and walk to the front office anywhere. You don't see many women and that's just effect to. The locker does a lot of women. There's not a lot of women in the sport but still probably like Pele said in women make up a lot of women buying things for the NFL buying products for stuff so my my proposal is to change that we should have. We got to highlight social justice. And when like we did we took a knee for social justice but we forgot about other things too like women and I take because the. Nfl's has so many battles with abuse you know we've had we've had tons of domestic abuse the number one issue with an NFL. You notice affair with you. Listen so I feel like for the simple fact. They're women have been the Philip affected. Nfl has failed to acknowledge that. That's been an issue are only thing is that well we declare. It has nothing to do with the face it or the NFL. It does because we kind of build in we call a building. The tolerance for it is been a tolerance for is like it just gets to the point. Where if a player as how good is he? Is He fast fast? Good is if he's good enough to change the game was I black was it was. It was really wasn't choker out or do you just choker like is there a difference exact. That's my point saying depending on how good you are. There is a difference within. How does that make you feel women to know things like that? Is that is allow some time or does that make you feel different? Saw Ray rice when he beat his wife up Ellen camera to the. Nfl had the fire him but before it had it had to make to make an example out of him different they were just making it like in our reality if somebody else had done that before him before to lots of players now but but it took it took a life of its own in the NFL had to react to it right because women women demanded that it was a men. Men did not demand that the women in America demanded that he be fired. The women demanded that there wasn't a male meal and there's the problem. There's a press. The issue right above slammed the women having to speak up and demand. The I don't know I just think I mean at even stuff like that like to. Pele's point to point. It should not have taken women to brace such a big ruckus because the truth at a Matt domestic violence within the. Nfl is here. Like y'all know about it. You know what I mean like. It's not a secret it's not like Oh this. This one player has had this issue and it doesn't happen again like it happens all the time but I also think on a national level you have to be consistent because then you have some white players that did not receive the same punishment in absolutely should have. I'm not taking it. I'm not taking away from the fact that Ray rice was his black player. Yeah his ashes and fire like this. You shouldn't even playing but it should be an even. It should also be same at two things can be true at once. It should also be Even play NFL. Because somebody like me and rather burger. There's no reason why he should do why he should have been playing. Patsy J. Rey. Rice was on camera so they're actually covering for themselves not for women covering for themselves. These happen to have but nobody has seen it. So it's like you can hush it up. I mean like even like you know those players as they've done it like you see in this like I believe that how good the player is is depending on how good he is if he'll ever get always but that's always been the case in sports in general last Japan. Or how good you are you get away with more but that that goes in business though like depending on how good you are. That's trouble what what allow you to get away with. And it's unfortunate but we do need more people just begin their mind on it and not just women not just males everybody collected people know right from wrong but people don't care but the issue is interesting thing too is that like for example. Like don't care until it's in their own back. Oh is that true because things like things in gravy or whatever until it happens to your daughter. 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How do you reverse 'cause we don't have girls? We have two boys but you see something happened to fema and I'm like Abbie damned if I allow my son to be exact ship man. You know what I mean like. There's there's not is when you finally when you have a daughter is it's not very far. Empathy is just about really understanding the story like I have empathy for women all the time. There's things that are happening to women but when you finally see your daughter have into it just brings in a more at tier set a great point. I think the fact that you said that you have two sons and for you to recognize that to say no. This is wrong like I wish he would type of thing. I think that's a different narrative to start for young males in general to teach them. You know how you do treat women how you act around women you know just kind of like how do you respect women gender example but? I think that's important that a mother understands that and knows that that's like a responsibility but the same time as a man of course to show the same thing were you guys are parenting black sons. Do you guys ever get fearful of the things that they're going to have to experience all the time while being black because they can still do everything right but the outcome could still turn are completely wrong. You would actually Any brought me to tears. It brought me to tears when I heard him. But Eh Martell issue brother headed a episode with Your Dad. He explained or they were talking about raising black boys in America in general and he. Your Dad gave a few examples but one of the examples stuck out was the notion of him. Telling you like it can never be more than two or three. Y'All in the car 'cause outside of that. Y'All are considering the game and when I say I didn't even think of that like I you know. Of course you see the Trayvon Martin to me arrested like you think of those situations. Are those incidences but like. Oh Damn Mike I am. I really have to go on a different. Parental Terendak should trajectory. Because I didn't even think about that for a brown boy like crazy because I it's sad that I have to tell my son. He can't do the same stuff. His friends at school do like the cause because the the results of it or the consequences of it isn't going to be the same and I happen to remind him constantly like 'cause you see such and such do that like such as we'll get in trouble but it won't be nowhere near as bad as the penalty that you'll get so guess what you just can't do what he does. And it's unfortunate that he has to look at such as such as every day. My parents say if I get in trouble this is what's going to happen the penalties and it's sad but that's just the world we live in. So yes I like my tummy. Little stuff like oh You know just like having three people in a car or watch who you have in the car because if they stopped yelling at kearns somebody has some illegal on them. Guess what all y'all going to jail or what like those aren't rules that black or white boys have to think about like I've seen my white friends. Spas out police officers and I sit there and like I could never even fathom to think about doing something like what he said back them. Up I know don't do is crazy that we were playing two different like two two different lives that we have to live in two different set of rules but yes as little black boys and especially like especially when you have a little bit of money. You move question my next question. My next question was think the change does. Is it more dangerous for your center? Live in the hood and bill be where we grew up in. Different areas is more harmful for him to be in white settings growing up for his own identity. I Z harder. Or is it is. I think they are equally harmful Snaps artery I Italy harmful as well is one of those things. You gotta take the pros and cons. Like what do you value most right? Yes you want your son to be around other black folks. You want them to have that kosher you want them to to to. Have you know all the different things that you've got to experience at the same time I know? First hand at the suburbs play by different rules when it comes down to education and value that too right so so it's like okay and we're so conscious we're like we don't want our kids to just see black boys when they go to play basketball because that's the only that's subconscious the growing fear to some kind of insecurity of sort but at the same time to. I'm like I don't want that same type of education because I see the difference. I see what my kids are learning now. I didn't learn that so sixth grade. I learned that the seventh grade so I want to have like I also think that education piece is important as well so trying to find that balance unfortunately a successful Batman in America. It's it's so confusing like what quote unquote successful. Because you're damned if you do when you go to suburbs you Dan if you do if you just stay in the ems in and so what do you do like. Do you live out in the sticks down to that because I really want to know. What do you think is is this same or is it different now? I think they're equally as harmful right. Because if if they're in the middle of the hood whatever you are more concerned with peer pressure that they may succumb to an making bad decisions because everybody will not everybody a lot of people in our own operate in a motor survival when you operate in a mode of survival. You don't necessarily think clearly right there of course but you don't necessarily think clearly however being in the suburbs putting your kids in private school though every case may be this the there's a huge issue with identity that I'm about a with every day because my kid is the only black boy and a third grade and there's probably like six black boys in the entire school and there's other black girl and so I had to teach himself. He added a heritage project last week and the week before. And we're going through stuff and he's like naming I am because is my little heart like we went through. The Haiti are Haitian side. He was able to. You know mark name stuff off so then we get to. African African Americans died. And you know he's learning about more about my side and stuff whatever then we get to food and so he's like so what type of cuisine like African Americans usually eat. I was like oh so food and he was like well. What's so food and so I was like put up a little quick Google image and I'm like here's this play tomorrow. What you think like spinach. Carrots corn bread. It's not even funny but it's wordy and I'm like these like these Collard Greens like you've eaten them. Who's like? Oh it Kotaro House because this usually when we have a huge Sophie's but it really hurt my heart because I'm like us being in Seattle in him NYC not being around my family because I'm not a shift by any means but he's missing out on a lot of things that you know like a lot of coach coach that he would that he would experience if he was around more black people almost like Greens with spinach. Sweet potatoes was carried. Sweet potatoes cares very healthy. I stay away but you still WanNa know what's right and just trying to find that balances so hard man because it's again you you're either you pick the great education and you lose. The identity piece is like okay. Well now. You're around more more black folks. Then they're not putting money into the education system honestly though now so I feel like I want to give them a strong like educational foundation. And I'm okay putting him back in the more diverse Setting because now I know where to fill in again and that they have that foundation already so we can say that I think is up to the parent also to really be responsible for that because I feel like for me you know. Arc is are mixed and so I know so much right but I feel like it's my duty to know more for them. I want them to identify with both sides of their family and I want them to know both sides so that does take a little more effort on my heart. And sometimes you slack. Because it's just stuff going on just exactly but I also your parents are representing that. Dan makes a lot harder for them. Like Affleck Youtube guys. You represent a lot of things like things that are happening in black culture things that are happening there so I feel like because you guys do a lot of history stuff like that. It's I mean he could get the coach from net too because there's opportunities where he can learn about Langston Hughes and doing all these things because you you push them for their side of to take the other side. I mean might be culture shock if you go to. Hbu and be like what the hell they see. That's what I'm saying like my was talking about some collared. Greens Thursdays that honestly. You can't learn like you. Just learn through life right so as a parent. Yes you're trying to incorporate like you want to know his history you WanNa know about. Hey do you want to know about black history in different things like that? But there's also a lot of things that you guys learned that we learned learned. Risco or read and you just learned from the experience is by being around other people that are experiencing some of the same different things and then you just pick things from that so. That's the piece that I'm worried about like I agree my wife. Who's the smart one of two is an extremely educated like she can teach them a lot but life teaches you more things than not and if they're not in those environments hard to replicate so like me and Michael say you just send them appearance all new experience going to be worried about my baby's GonNa Change. It's one the prototype of the week is how do you allow both coaches in your household to be known? Like how do you allow? How do you have an honest conversation about the yams and then the same time as the rice in Pisa the same time as dancing in the same time as black history? So what's the pro tip wanted somebody who has a diverse family on allowing both families the culture of of each side so I think The low hanging fruit of courses. Okay and you WANNA teach verbally like this is what this is etc. Whatever but I don't think you should this Discount experiences so while weird like China. Protect our kids and keys hood or keep them out of you know whatever situation that sometimes has a negative connotation. We can't disregard the experiences that we learnt and build upon ourselves. Yes I agree. I think the experiences play play a big role. It is just one of those situations to is again. You can teach them at home and you try to you know. Give them the educational background all these different things but kids. We all learned from our experiences. More so than anything you can say charter a thousand times. That thing is high and today actually touch and see how how much it hurt like. Sometimes some kids just got man. You just burn mess out. You're here so I'm GONNA say experience in action because not only do child learn from the verbal things that you tell them what they also learned from watching you and your habits and your behaviors along with their no. Yeah I would say conversation. I think pro tip is to keep popping bubbles because I feel like in the world that we live. We live in different communities that we didn't grow up from so I think our reality is different from our children's reality. We also have to remind them constantly like. I feel like I always do that. Especially with the oldest one. Payton is that everyone. Does everyone not live like you? I didn't grow up blank. You like literally did not. Your family doesn't live like you. People down the block in different community. Don't live like you so in reality. Your reality is very tiny in so for me having these conversations with you go much broader than your bubble in so for me is to pop those bubbles into remind you like you are privileged and you have a lot to learn also but experienced will come from different directions in different ways but I also want to remind her that. Don't feel less of that because you have don't opportunities you know take advantage and then you can grow from there and that's how you give back to people that need it or that one it but I think that she needs to. All of them need to learn that. So I'm going to say pro. Tip of popping those bubbles of reminding voters presume brazen I think it takes two other person from the other side to make sure that their kid is embracing their departments culture because the the person who is the culture can keep bringing it up into the mom order. Dez Like we have to go. This is your culture like we have to be a part of his. The other person embracing embracing you partners culture. You might embrace your party culture because of the way they look like then you have this mix that looks good but at the same time. You've got embrace that culture and make sure that you are the one who is pushing the other person's culture for agree. I think everything you got everybody says is right on is. It's a learning process for all of us. That's what it boils down to like. We're all trying to figure this thing out a we're all in Tel is also like this is a new space for all of us. We didn't grow up with this. So we're trying to figure out how to raise you guys to make sure you respect what we did but also appreciate what we have going on right now to working people follow you guys on anything going such a podcast. Baby. Go ahead and share that fleas. So you guys can follow me on instagram handle tier eight two seven and also have a podcast to give women's voices to make sure they're heard podcast. Yoon that was in sidelines. Podcast for the wife. I see the second attention to detail and then mine is at cliff April Just post random stuff but please follow it. It's a it's a good follow most times. It'd probably be about my wife and kids which is a great follow. Amazing thank you guys for being a mouthpiece today with your presence and wisdom in Positivie and also advice on parenting coacher relationship definitely We had a good conversation. We talked about last verse. Lack of back coaches raising a black child in America. This is a great episode. But you know was was crazy although it is on podcast this is something we would probably surreal. I think for us is being that. We want to make sure that we are vulnerable conversations. Because what that does no chance for us to grow. I mean Shit. I knew better not. We all need to do but again data intentions. That is important yet. Yeah you had to be intentional man. That's about I learned that two hundred slots for having us. 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20: Are You Authentic?

Mouthpeace with Michael Bennett & Pele Bennett

38:33 min | 1 year ago

20: Are You Authentic?

"Hall of Shame Sports Scandals. What more could you ask for every week? On Hall of Shame and new podcast from cricket, Media Fox sports host comic Rachel Panetta in comedy writer Russia breakf- Bomb Tech, each other through some of the biggest scandals in sports history to discover the humanity behind the headline. They get to the bottom of what happened why these stories matter how they are still relevant today you'll laugh. You'll cry. You feel more invested in sports than you ever thought possible. Listen to the hall of shame from Crooked Media. Wherever, you get your pockets new episodes of Hollis Shane. Every Monday subscribe right now. People on Apple podcasts spotify or wherever you can get your podcast. Wake up wake up a wake up. WAKE UP A. I say wake up. Wake up! You're listening. To mouthpiece Michael Bennett and Pele Penny. Finding. What is authentic like that word authentic? It's like. I think kind of disappeared. You know sure sure for a long time now and if you really think about it like what does that word mean, and what does it mean to you as a person and things that you're trying to do in life for yourself for your family for your loved ones I think like re grounding yourself and filling out what is authentic within your being within your work. You know whatever your work is if it's a creative work if it's. Your Job Your career, your passionately, what is authentic to you would just interested, though because people don't know, this is hard to be authentic when you have other people the pin and it's kind of weird, because like I'm like a AFLAC. We're at the stage and life is like if we for like something we don't want to do. We can't go like it's okay to have that power, but sometime I feel like is individuals. We don't want to tell people know and Dan we ended up doing something that does really validate who we truly are like. We really are mentoring and candidates like we were reading the Bible today. It was saying. You talking about like being a stranger right as seeking asking for help and I think a lot of us are looking in the mirror, and we see in a stranger, but we really don't know how to ask for help like we forgot will be like we forgot who we what we do, the music and it's like. I don't know it's just a weird combination when I look in around the world, and I'm Kinda just seeing the reflection like of seeing like. On a couple of weeks ago when we were talking about the value of the NFL like you know, it's like it's just one of those things where you just kind of like looking just like what is the true value of the fan? Experience was really the true value. Like at what point do you do something so much that you become it right right? You become the character that you started to that you in the road that you are in like. Have the character and if you are. GonNa, you're feeling. The pressures of those expectations you know and I feel like when you're starting to feel pressures of expectations. You have to really go back again and figure out who's expectations are those because sometimes you are assuming it's you know someone else's, but really it's your own that you're putting on yourself and those are not achievable. You're not going to reach those because they're made up. Making empty fake expectations that nobody ever was really wanting out of you and so now to go back and really feel like what is it that I want for myself before taking someone else's perceptions on such a profound statement that came from my wife. Yard at first. Mouthpiece, but yeah, it is, it is super is tough. Oh, because what really is who? We are acts, everybody's question. Who are you really? What do you really like? What is your true hobbies? What are the things that you really WanNa do in life like you know what actually makes me think about it, because I know a lot of times for me, personally I'm like you know we have so many thoughts and. And influences in our head from different sources. I think that it is important to talk it out with someone to people, because then those ideas just kind of float around in your head, this kind of stagnant instill and have anything to come out from. It's like it doesn't. It doesn't change right like it might read something. I don't to you about it. My thought in my head could just stay the same, but if If I. Talk With You then we'll think about it I'm like Oh you know what that's a different perspective? That's a different idea about it I, think like sometimes you know coming back to your own being is to journal because we have so many conversations with other people, we have ideas and things that we see through the news social media. TV, movies music. You know sometimes. It's like going back to the beginning and. And being in your own thought, but writing down and just kind of journaling your thoughts on daily just to kind of have that conversation with yourself, not making you sound like a crazy person, but just kind of like sometimes you don't need all the outside when you're trying to get creative zone, you really just yourself in sometimes we want those outsources for people to be like. Hey, like we need inspiration we need. and. It's like you really don't. People are inspired by themselves anymore more basic. You can be inspired. Of course you walk outside Your House. beautiful grassy area. Mike inspired from the clouds like icy that, but sometimes it's like also try interest being in your own self and drilling those thoughts in daily things that you're thinking randomly in kind of go back until like your own brain and know that you are, you can be your own inspiration that can be your on wanted to come out with your new creative. You know whatever that is through your work through your passion so true. I accomplished a lot. People all my listeners in Asia. Accomplish a lot, but there's only one thing that I truly enjoy. Accomplish me, Pele put the bike rack back at a car and put the bikes on there. Correctly. We have been bikes on. We've been tying them wrong and we did it. We also expire, but it was like those simple things amount of even though I did like so many different things at the moment time the bike. Bike around and getting the thing on their also inspire so i. do think you can get inspired by yourself and I think Philly's definitely write about US getting not own prison right because we formed his prison of ourselves in his prison, the being that we used to be imprisoned right now and everything on a shell of us is not really. It's a really big facade and. And I think we have to unshackle ourselves. Unleash our beings on these are chew cells unleash what we truly a passionate about, and not try to be into the group when it was cool to be an outlier again really have your own true free thoughts and free spirited. It's like the people who say are really want to be that way are being ostracised and it's like if. If you, don't follow line with the way that things are supposed to be of your NFL player. You take a neo you do this and people were like Oh my God. You not do what you're supposed to do. If you're doing more than what you're doing more than people like all, you're doing too much. It's like there's no Bisbee you could be you. Be You be you? Stay with us. We'll be right back at the short break. We're GONNA go s from drinks or something for seconds. If you're still sleeping on the same saggy old raggedy mattress. You deserve better helix sleep quiz that only takes two minutes to complete and matches your body type and sleep preferences to the perfect mattress for you. 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Why don't people getting hired more with the music like I was listening to the Curtis Mayfield undertake. It just seems like the music back then where there's rock and roll whatever type of music it is, it just kind of has his influence and his responsibility to society, so like Lee people because music is in everybody's ear and. Just think and we listened to what you said the other day when his little big boy and he was talking about like the contradiction doesn't music now and how you know, there's such a big contradiction like the music itchy hair in one time, the personages Sunday song is telling you to do something as completely illegal in which is supposed to do. Yeah, I think that. When I'm hearing, you say that I'm like Oh my God! You're hitting your home moment because I feel like your age is now reflecting the Times of no make your saying like the music now is like all over. The place is reflecting the Times because they're mad and it's. It's so much chaos going on, but then I'm like I. Guess Every era. The music actually is for the time because you're getting older. You're getting wiser, so the newer music is not reflecting you. As a person that you know who you are in this age or in the State Minister, young person you know in these different eras and what the world's going doing what we're going through as a young person, I feel like the music does reflect that time, and then now that you can say that that's an older person in your thirties is like. Oh, wait, you're actually getting older and wiser to the music. That's coming out now it's it isn't for you, but the problem. Is that have always listened? Listened to older music and I feel like there's always been a side of music has kind of been reflective like there's a side of us. Each individual has chaotic cy in this this rebellious side. This wants to do everything against society and just go crazy and beyond and be wild, and don't have any responsibilities, but after like the complete circle of music right now. Is there like there isn't no have like half of his like there's another like the anything that's on the radio now is in thought provoking. Saying last you for as far as thought provoking, but I think also our limit now you know every decade like they get pushed further around so now we know we're in twenty twenty. The music to us is like the new music is like what the hell are they talking about or as Raunchy or it's you know pushing someone outside of their own thinking limits like behavioral limits, but I think it's because it's getting pushed down even further, so it's like we're now. Our parents saying. Oh, my Gosh, his music is just. So many curse words. It's really you know pushing you to a narrative to do something outside of your limit. No, I actually think I I. Don't know. Maybe I disagree with you on this one because i. just feel like it. Really I find it odd because I feel like you would be on my side in this conversation, but I think. We are also getting older and. No I think I just think there. The music is in the same because there's a lot of stuff going on in society, there's no. I'm not saying music okay. But what I'm saying is that music reflects the times is on one side of society, like everybody's just kind of left like their place of where they had the star process of things that they will follow, but now it's like one person does, isn't it just keeps this trickle down effect. There is nobody in music like you know. When is to get on and say something in like it would be profound or something like that I mean pretty much. We have Jay Z and beyond say, but I mean yeah. I was said it'd be honest. His music is very thought provoking. I never heard her really drop beside them and they in that was like. Herbal. Music also reflected times. I don't know I. Feel like you can pick and choose out of different artists. Bob Says She's never been that type of artist. She's never been artist. She's never been Nina Simone. She's never been Lauren Hill. She's never been that type of artists that was said. Some of it, but it's kind of like an assassin. Like a A younger you know like Sassy type of way and I feel like. That actually does make an impression on the youth because you know, everyone listens to be unsafe, but the youth they love her, and so some her lyrics from her last album, it did reflect on the towns and people were like. Yes, she knows what she's talking about. I wasn't like Mississippi Dan. I mean if you're really thinking about knowing really deep. says. This doesn't obscure. Scratching the surface I feel like if you're in a position like a net position like there has to be like you have your commercial album. You're sorry. Listen as we get into this because it just like music I'm here. My kids repeat certain songs on Dislike D. and it's hard because you have kids who just hear words and it just regurgitating. What the fuck did you do a jump up in my car? Sucky Sucky, GET A. Show. You don't even know what you're saying. You saying that because people they just don't care they just saying music, as or even artistry like is has reflected in such a way to us to. And I don't know. I don't know why I feel like I. Think because of world is built around more individuality and built on people following you people like it's like I don't know. Maybe it's not the same as like. I, don't know I, don't. You to revert back to music now as much as you like. The new music is good. It's like my friend was saying Oh Ma'am Chris. Brown is like Michael Jackson. Sake what who said the Houston like as far as fame and dad, but then I was like really. Michael Michael Jackson songs are really really deep like even though he was you know he did what he did, but his music, a lot of songs really debilitating off the podcast now. But a lot of Michael Jackson's. We're depot lake. Those artists that were in those positions. Their ballots were very strong, and their penmanship was very stressed. Going to say it's the writing. Like who are some of the writers now that are behind. You know some of the big artists. Scheme. I know. It's not the same no more, but it's so honest that you know somebody writers. Changed on Roy and the dream and people like that are right in a lot of songs, but but a lot of their songs that are really big. Your are always question tonight. Though if if artists now you're saying starts putting out these deeper lyrics anything that are thought provoking. Do you think the mass of the people will be like? Yes, like we still love the music? Other people were hungry for. For, I think there's definitely people who are hungry for I. Think there's enough to be able to mix both to have songs that occur like I feel like Jay Z does agree balance of the. He didn't do that before I think you might be right. Because when he was younger, you might, you might have a maybe. When he was younger, he was more the means that he's putting out was. was more towards the things that he was experiencing, but now maybe he looks back and reflecting. Maybe there was a little bit He wouldn't take it back. But at the same time it was a little bit negligent to share those experiences to Asto his experiences by for like now he feels like he's more obligated for the culture. If you look at the way how he responds to certain things, I think there's people who think that. Oprah count as one of those people but. Not really as far as certain things, but I'm just saying I. Don't feel like music and stuff is definitely not how it used to be in. Even movies are even the same more on this fall into that line as well. And that's why I've been tune into Bollywood. Movie People. They reflect real shit renowned. What's happening in India right now? I might not understand. Should they sat on film, but when I watch it on leaving the words. So, but it's like even everything that we hid has to be so surface level that I will say now we're talking about you. Know Film also in this during the quarantine time. It's like you have in that flakes. You have a who you have. All these different networks that you can pull and other types of international genres and I think that's actually really dope that you can do that. Because growing up my grandmother's Indian washed Bollywood films. That was like I had to go down to Hardouin y'all know then Houston. Go to the little shops rent. The H has taken home, but now it's like we can go on Netflix. When I'm like mom, you know what you want now and she loves Korean soap operas in like I think that is beautiful how we can still. In, almost a learning curve lake, we're learning about other cultures through watching their film and watching also a our differences in so many things that we relate to because me and Michael Watch. Rush box was good from crumlish walks spots, but we another. Popular Bollywood movie and it was just beautiful like the story was really need. The acting was okay The dancing was amazing. Australia, but is me Oh. It was okay the. Nobody was really good film, and it was a bollywood film in. It did have subtitles, but it was so much of culture. You know that. And learn from it to what they're eating to heather dress to the dancing to this. Even the ceremonial things are doing their weddings and different types of and it's crazy, because like you know you look at Apple. We look title then apples is on TV stream any look at net flicks, and he looked at Hulu. You look all these HBO's like there's not very many great shows out there right now. We have we have been watching if he on apple that we liked watching with girls also was done a good job for the but I'll just sound like to me. There's there's now a lot of movies that are very topper. Okay? Maybe people don't want to deal with the realities in the movies in the time of instant. Now you want instant gratification. You don't WanNa have these long conversations on wooded the movie you know, mean to you now. It's just like was great. That was bad. You know it's like either, or we don't have a learn more like I feel like I agree. Movie is of movie. You or something is great. Like. You have to go back into really dissect. What did you see the lies of it? Like like even so music like when you have great artistry and listen to it or something and you? You heard one part of a go back here it again you hear another small nuance in it and it Kinda makes you have thought about it, but I feel like so midge music now so much of these movies, and so much of everything is kind of like you listen to you see, and you can move on you. Don't go back and be like I need to hear it again. I'm not overplaying it again and again, but like stuff like outkast liberation. Came out in the nineties I'm I'll play the and just like the horns. The sounds everything in the drums. It just sounds like it's better than what's out now, and that's terrible. Boo is lies wise in get in better, but maybe you're right. Maybe the way that the shit is how people really. Tired of living a life that seems like you're so the reality. It doesn't seem like it has has freedom, and maybe the music mix and feel free. We'll be right back more to come after the break. I. Want I'm listening to to be what I'm listening to. Not What everybody else is listening to? 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Oh, you need to talk about this. You need to include this in your work and I think that is a big difference. That I've noticed from like seventy six investigation. Now now it's like yes, do it talk about it. Push it, so you send people. Are Forced to talk about more than what they're trying to talk about. I don't think. They'd be more inclusive to everything. Dusty Freedom Freedom but that inclusiveness baking people. The people that think there really are free. They narrowly free because they're so inclusive. They're not really saying what they really feel. How they really talk because they're worried about the opinions of others. Artistry used freedom of speech. But that's what I'm saying. Is that before? It was offensive to not now it's offensive if you don't. Like this complete reverse now. But I'm not saying it made it better. Though because you're right, it's not making it better. It's pushing people into zones at. They're not ready for you know, but at the same time is. How do we get those to connect together? Where you have both sides? You have the freedom of speaking on that, but then you also are not. Forcing it pushing it, you know like how do you have a balanced mind and and thought of what you're trying to say I think it really turns it to like people researching and I think. Maybe. Maybe people don't research as much as music because I was telling my brother day about albums. I was saying I was looking at someone Iraq. Albums like Pink Floyd rattles look. Pink Floyd's album. The Tom Line between their album like like five years between each album is like they'd take so much time before I even put anything out like now. It's like some artists drake. They dropped three or four albums and one year like it's like the stuff that you were around. That's not good enough. They put out like this this part of. Like what you just said the stuff that they would have thrown out. We're like that's our number one. Becomes a number one hit and they're like. Wow, I didn't know so I'm like who has done in this. Everybody. All. But that's the too, but it's taking longer like you look at even rap albums like back in the day. They Alcatraz is three or four years before new album. Come out future job, but you know they drop in young dropping an album every year. Like different people, boss will take some time people I. Maybe it's because people like outcasts, and those they had a better control of their own music, and maybe way music is maybe the people who are controlling music or controlling because everything's built on digital streams I think maybe that's why maybe that's. Right goes deeper into like their team, and how it works for them to put out their own work, but sand the amount of time do people like the guy who did the game of thrones or the habit or or the people who wrote those books like those books for seven years a book? You know what I'm saying like. We were talking to Peter Jackson one time and he was saying like he can't even watch boys. It rains just can't look at it. Nobody did the movie can look at it because it was literally twenty years of their life like you gotta think they did over seven. Those movies like a one of them was three four years. Is this amazing like the artistry that people. I think it. Maybe it's the lack of commitment to really truly dig into something. There's really thought provoking really share because sometimes, even when people share their stuff on music is that this is the most. This is the most harmful musicals you listen to you like this stupidest also be due to instant era that we're in is as much as like. An artist might be like I have to put it out because people are wanting. The next thing is like the lack of the listeners and the lack of the fans of putting the pressure to be like. Like Oh, that was great last month. But what do you have for us this month? You know it's like pressure on both sides we might be getting really can steph because we want the next thing already very no our Adrenalin, just keep pumping. We're GONNA. Throw that out and put it on. The back burner in our hand is out like okay. What else do you have and I think sometimes that could be also pressure on the other side of the artists to do. The same thing is that they want more, they want more. I need to be relevant. My work needs to be relevant. So you shouldn't waste needs to be relevant. It's like there's this. Two magnets of opposite signs and we're just pushing pushing pushing. Athletic. Too because it's like. It's like I see people instagram right now like they're just trying to stay current, and it's probably 'cause. Everybody has the same people managing him in ages trying to stay current try to whatever thing is happening doing video just a match it. It's like if that's not truly in you. Then why people continuously try to do that, maybe is maybe us right. Is this constant battle between being relevant and being stagnant I? Don't think people want to be relevant so much that they have to stay with the Trans whatever train of somebody putting ice cream on his face and is going to give viewers. Everyone put ice on it if as. Just a new challenges is just the challenge to be seen like a whole, and it's and I. Think is because this. Is a weird weird time to because is almost sometime. Everybody put stuff out. You don't even know if invalidation to. It was the uniqueness to and I remember you were saying like. How is a couple years ago? You were saying like instagram had got in trouble for it, and had the people start pulling what sponsorships and stuff because those people have so big following his in like they say something we like. We've taken this whole idea. MITO EAT Burger King. Just not Berkey and is he eating McDonalds and your whole dream? Your whole face is just went down. Because he dang liposuction, he had me. Thinking is healthy and use. Damn. There was a movie we watched one time in. Remember the name of it was about. It had and I know that like there's like what like a few thousand you see. Add to daily so now. We're in this digital era where we are still being influenced. Do an obviously, it's all online, but it's now like that thing has to have you know, doubled or tripled now? Because now we're constantly seeing ads and we're being influenced without knowing in so when we have these artists, we have social be of Sony, with beings pushing us in different. Different directions. How do we as like our own being realized like what we really like? What do we really WANNA, Watch. How do we filter our thoughts out into lake? What it is that we want to take in and I think that goes back into like your family, your friends, you know surrounding people not necessarily like minded, but kind of like in directions that you feel that you want to go move towards the AD. Movie was really interesting, too because. There's not too many free moments, and we mentioned this before Catolica bring. Our brains are not ours anymore. Once who come out the wound? We start to recognize brands right like you know. That brand now if we're if we're pushing into like a science artists. Artists have to have their social following and they have to have all of that in. It's like constantly. You're your own walking. I hate about own podcast. I can hate that the hate to say that I hate that about more kids that have to put up a picture just like. Can we just put the put it on? People listen to it because sometime. You just feel like. People trying like you're trying to build something, and it just feels like when you try slowly losing a part of you trying to do something that you truly love, and it becomes like slow slowly. Part of you starts to become gimmicky right. I think everybody started slowly become gimmicky, and they don't even realize that becoming gimmicky like this is the first time in music history lake. Drake is like the biggest artists and like nobody wants to dress like nobody's trying to be like him. You know what I'm saying and. Dr Sample before like Diem Mexico man, Oh, JC aggregate, the s Carter's. I gotTA GHETTO CASHMAN yeah. I gotta put. The GERBILS is because he don't even have a style. He'd already have a personality. He just Kinda like he blaze, and he makes music where people in context their stuff in in making his own kind of thing right, and it's kind of like I feel like even society. We all kind of liked that. We all know we don't want to be our own selves. So shooters hard for other people that want to be us and I think it's hard, because when you are truly being your own self, you get so much ridiculed for. Either Roseanne Barr like I'm not saying when she was being racist. Issue is right, but she was her true self, saying what she wa- She talked about been a comedian and joking as she got so much ridiculed for it, and she lost her whole career, and they basically took the Roseanne show took her out to show and call it. The Connors, an kilter, often a mean nasty. She has sores, and then she had ebola as she got hit by a car. Like I mean that's. That's what society you do to you. If you really try to be yourself, so maybe you're right, it's like. Why don't we all just be fake? Because be a fake is really being real in this society real as being fair. When someone's telling you, Oh, be real or post. Something does not really. I can tell this fake or that. Was You know your team pushing? It is just kind of funny 'cause you're like I am being real, but then it's like. Why are you being rules? No you're right. We come into the situation, and I think this realization is you sit in the house and you start watching on Instagram, and you look on TV and you just start to realize like damn like there's just this big wool like in everybody's so thirsty to stay relevant people bringing more time instagram than they did before like Ham I. GotTa make sure new. Job But at the same time. We go start being real again. Wing! CAN THE WORLD BE? What can we sit down and really look at somebody in the I? Really feel passion between two people like people. Can't even you know look at each other and I without looking at the phone or just getting to the point where maybe everything around us is becoming so fake that we don't even know ruining more no living in the Matrix. Can Our we're not high. which wake you in the Matrix. The Matrix about it. Think about everything you. Do. You dressed every how you look like you're so consumed by it like you find yourself on Pinterest. Is I. Don't know what is reality. I was thinking of and depot chopper. He was talking about where he was saying. We start putting titles ourselves. and. He said the more titles we put on Earth. This is not word for word, but it was something similar. Though the more titles we put on ourselves as a person. It actually closes in room. It closes, and it doesn't keep us free from being whatever we want to be, and I think that this is kind of like Kinda. Closing in on what we're trying to say. Is that you continuously these titles on you on yourself to your work through your lifestyle through whatever it is, but I could see that as being bars to making you prisoner those things when in reality we wanna do so many things, and we wanted to live life to its fullest in by that. It's like trying everything you WanNa. Try and live and pursuing it if it. It fails it fails, but you try to. And I think like just freeing yourself from those titles and freeing yourself from that prison space of all these different influences that we have on a daily basis, and just really come into your own and journaling those ideas from your own mind from your own thoughts in using that. Do Your Passion in your creativeness to find you know what your path is. When you find you find that path or you see that vision and you can see it from a distance. Just continue on and keep moving forward. Anna All those different distractions, but move on your path that you created for yourself. I everybody is Tom of the week or you kind of you know, have our little pro tip in La does things we respectfully disagree on certain things, but at the same time we still love each other. So, today's pro tip. We want to include journaling journaling on a daily basis of not only what you did for the day, but maybe your thoughts for the day or your opinions on something your vision for the future on topics that you know are going to come sooner than later. We don't know but just drilling on your thoughts and ideas for yourself burgers. That's it that's it. That's the end you don't have listened to. Michael Anymore, but come back next week for me on another episode of mouthpiece with Michael Emmy Kelly Bennet please describe to us or like Oh so anything that you're listening to Apple Stitcher spotify whatever you listening to get away from your family, whoever you don't WanNa be around and make sure you rate us or give us a comment, even though we don't give a fuck about your comments, give a comment. Mouthpieces of production of lemonade meal which you can find online also platforms at Lemmon Nadi Media Hueco for me on social media. 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8: Real Love (w/ Tobe & Fat)

Mouthpeace with Michael Bennett & Pele Bennett

1:02:23 hr | 1 year ago

8: Real Love (w/ Tobe & Fat)

"Up Wake up a wake up. Wake up wake up you're listening to mouthpiece Michael Bennett and Pele Benny. Before the guests that become one today dig up an interesting story and they also work together. I think is really interesting too. Because we've done a lot of stuff together but this is our first like actual business together but it's like in our own private time and space but then doing a business that's public like this where you're being more vulnerable and you're getting deeper within yourself and each other. I think it does take it to another level is different. Because it's just one of those things where you work differently. Do not work in different than you work. But at the same time it's like we're coming together. You work within a business so you also have to follow these guidelines but the tubs that breaks a lot of relationships business relationships because at the same time the business is your livelihood as time people care about the business more than they care about they significant other and I just think that's a hard balance have because people want to be successful in their business with also want to be successful in their marriage right and I think that Our NEXT GAS I've really displayed Great Partnership where? They know them personally and they've shown how they were together. Then I've got married are bringing kids. And they're flourishing and doing so many great things and I think is beautiful to have that type of healthy relationship reflected for people that they can see that that is obtainable but also to. I don't think arguments and stuff like that doesn't mean that there's not a whole to relationship. I think that's the issue that I feel a lot of people that work within business. There's GonNa be arguments because you try to make a product so that you work on each other to make the right. I've talked to people who are working on a product to bring together and when people are working on a project together that brings in mind and brings an inspiration brings impassioned so I feel like that's okay within business to have that title arguing about things is unhealthy because if everything was perfect every day all the time. I don't think that's healthy either. Because then you're not really speaking your mind and opening up how you feel or your thoughts or opinions on anything I think is important to be able to express yourself on whatever you feel. The business decision needs to go which direction but also the other and other person needs to be able to receive that information. Sometimes difficult I think is bringing those together when you do not agree on something. Also think that within this works bracelet the couple of sharing with a restaurant or something that they make sure that they don't take that home because I feel like that can happy like all you feel that way. I know you feel that way. You said that if you're saying to separate business from your relationship Elias in I'm saying that is difficult because they're constantly both going all the time readers individuals and we couples have to find out if we choose to work with a partner. What does that bring to the table? What does that bring? We work with a partner in a business like atmosphere. There's GonNa be some stresses the happened to us. And just because the individual stressing about the product or the job or to site doesn't mean that the person has their feeling towards you towards the work that the person is having an if it's towards your work ethic that is towards you because you do. Kinda feel attacked when it's against you're whatever. Act that your role that you're responsible for but like you have to have those clear lines where it's like. No no I'm actually. This is constructive criticism for this area. Not For you personally as a person are. That's what the Google to business together. We should change our names out the bag walk into my name's not Michael any mortars someone else somewhere else because it's like those two people can argue they. Okay pill you lose your Dale's good marcus because sometimes if we see someone and we're like arguing and they're like hi. Hello how are you so maybe we should pretend we're both someone else out for you guys. And then we'll let you know if it works because this might not be a good idea markers in my job. Today he was a fucking ass and that could be like. Oh that's true. Sounds like a jerk now because I feel that kind of going in circles no dad. It's that's that's a great idea i. I'm pitching ideas for it. Changed your name. Which a partner at work did this is what it is a lot easier to get a word that will make knowing Luksa. You grew up in a family business. See I didn't grow up in a family business. Both of my parents worked in two different places is still argued. But you'll family group in a family business so I never knew what that dynamic because it just wasn't you was. This was all the siblings working together. Uncle is like people were working together with the whole family unit. Business start like I can't speak on because I know like every family businesses different from but for our specifically I think it brought us together. I truly believe that that's another piece of our family that why we're so close and we have these great bonds and relationships and able to talk Is because we work together every day for years and before siblings came along. My parents were already working together for years along with their siblings. So it is. I think it is a different dynamic but I think it's a beautiful thing that you can come together with your loved ones and grow something and work on a project company but I think it is true to specifically tell everyone what their role is and what they're in charge of and then let them handle it. Because I mean I can't say it wasn't perfect every time you know like we've had our different agreements and arguments. But I think at the end of the day the bomb. It does it just forms. Any grows The more you spend time and really was just spending time together and listening to each other's decisions I think that's the biggest thing I take from our conversation and hopefully the conversation that we're going to have with toby and if it's not perfect doesn't mean that there isn't GonNa be growth within your relationship so I just feel that it's okay to understand it. There's GonNa be some rocky roles but being able to hold still through the tide. Just know that there's GonNa be some ups and downs but love conquers. All love conquers eight. So I'm changing my new work name. Everybody that listens to this show key. Please choose to work as for me and Pele work that you choose for us on our twitter or instagram. Or You guys hit of the Manati media. Let them know what names you pick on. Don't be vulgar named gave us good names. Every that we come to work for our podcast is going to be the names that we go by So just choose those names and the bullwork it out and see what happened working out today. We're talking to one of our good friends. She sent you down inch. Oh baby she did her own intro who've our good friends from Houston will fats from Houston. She wished she wishes from Houston. But Toby's from fat. Toby is a rapper dead. He really didn't learn how to wrap it to. We started free standing together. Matter of fact I still feel like had. I taught him how to free style. You know him and his wife and they produce a nail. They put together some of the greatest messages for people to have today. These meaningful misses that they do within their wraps. Where did they live? Their life is not a lot of couples others doing and they you know they are what People WanNa have relationship goals. How you could work with your partner how you could be a great family and how you can do all those things together. So I'm glad to have the show but first of all at the drop a little beaten my pencil changing down now. You need to produce this thirty. Toby told You I knew you had to drop a pin and it was gone. But now you gotTa have mixed engineer producer. All in their fire. We're going to Be Throwing some some some worries job. Freestyle blesses. How did you guys I meet? What's the story behind it? I know your story is GonNa be extravagant but what we need. Both of those stories are we. Are we literally jumping into right now? We want to know how your story both sides. I know what I know about it. But in case fannies so. I'll promise you you might want to go by. Wal Fats a first now because if I talk if I if I tell the story I that when I when I do people be thinking. I'm lying then. I'm guessing the story so I don't WanNa be. Today is any gas added to it. I just wanted to hit a story in totality. And then we're GONNA move from their affect if you would please. How long do we have? Because the story you know You want the short version the long version. You know whatever information you want to give. That will defend your story before. Toby speaks short. Version is Assad Toby Apple Toby. We got married. Wow the logger version is we met at. Church was doing his nonprofit a in his nonprofit trying to give God my best. He had already transitioned in life from his college ways. Trying to live right for the Lord in. I have been doing that my whole life and I was currently on a sabbatical when I met job so I was experienced in life as I met him at a church and when I first saw him we went to like the united charging. He ended up in violence to his nonprofit. A meeting like the next day or or whatever knee and my friends with in And when I saw him I knew that he was supposed to be for me And he saw me he was. I think I knew that she was supposed to be for somebody else. I initially wanted him and he he wanted nothing to do with me. And then he was very vocal about that. It would tell me that he didn't WanNA relationship that he wasn't into me all those things and I was like well. I got two options. Aca Ignore what I felt like I was telling me or I could not be put into the right context so I probably jumped to relationship status in God was probably telling me I'm supposed to be helping with what he has gone. So I am by myself in his nonprofit. I started by evolve herself in my not. Privacy means wherever position was open. She tried to do all the position. Oh we need somebody to do. It is our volunteer. So what I'm getting from this. Toby toby effect especially fat at the situation. You send it. It's okay to continuously pursue a relationship. Even if you give the wrong answer sometime you should continuously go so. Tell me times you've got to work for ship. I'm saying sometimes you gotTa work to get what you won't like. Sometimes in the people like soon as they hear no or to hear something. Just give. But it's like you you like you wanted something and you kept pursuant and I think that's a that's a that's a positive message to have within the relationship that goes to show to in the long run that you're gonNA be there because at dinner date is what you really want so. I do agree with that in some relationships that is the case but in this specific one. I felt like I heard from God telling me that he was my husband and my mind. I could have gassed right so I want him to be but he was sitting there telling me that no that wasn't it so I was like maybe maybe embellished got was telling me so. We he told me no. I put toby into a frank category and started helping him with whatever. He had a nonprofit when it first started off. I'll be honest with you. I don't necessarily know frank category. I'll be honest with you. So was fat Showed me like she is genuinely there for me like a true friend and and I could just really see how much she loved me like. It made me the very first time that we Decided to be together. It made me say I let me see if I could get to love in her life. She loves me When we first got together for six months and I literally just told her like a listen. I don't think we should be together. I don't love you like you love me an Yup phenomenal person and you deserve somebody who loves you like you love them. And I'm not the person so stop talking for like a year. Lie did not have no conversation. No communication like. She started like just doing her own thing. Being fully confident who she is going home and auto other type of stuff and after a year we started talking straight platonic and then I had any pigmy within myself so once. I had that epiphany I knew for a fact that this is the person that I wanted to be with Matt. Just lie so we could be like boyfriend girlfriend but I wanted to like fully committed to be with her for the rest of my life which is interesting too because you guys are in love but you also run. Your Business Together. You guys are independent. Right definitely I love. How when you say we run. Our business together fed just looking off into the dishes. I feel like though I run a majority of the stuff that goes on you. Run me you make sure I have everything I need. And I'M NOT GONNA Christ so we do in our promise you essentially I would not have went on vacation if you did not say a list like a break Bid Independent. What are the challenges that you know? There's a lot of people who probably listening to this. They may not be music artists. They may be somebody who wants to do their own book or whatever the business. What are the challenges of being independent is something and putting everything into something that you believe in regards to the you have the back in behind you? Talent is your trajectory. Yo Success your or whatever is dependent upon the effort in the time and the energy that you put in whatever it is that you're doing if you don't do it nobody's going to do it for you and I think that's one of the biggest struggles with the In being independent or being an entrepreneur It's a different life style. The majority of people in the world. They they value F- EVALU- effort. They value how much time it took to do. Some the what for entrepreneurs and Independent people the the only thing that we truly value is execution and then he done at the end of the day and I feel like that's how most business owners operate Though for me specifically I love everybody. I want the best for everybody when it comes down to. What is doing With my stuff like if I don't execute for me in my mind is either is execution or Die Execution. Or out of my. You know what I'm saying. A loss to me equals death to Niger's myself not just to what I'm doing with my family. My Kids my wife so I just look at things a whole whole different way when I'm doing even though my service is to the world so what are some of the challenges you guys face a couple and also within Challenges and how to job brand love. Yeah that's what I mean. Like how did they do it together? Though you talk about the challenges I would say What challenges we ran into was the the fact that Ed Very like aggressive just driven my person as far as they go like when it pertains to like the music and everything must be doing and I'm more of a free spirit. Let's every and so it was clashing at one point because he was like that. Why you're not doing this doing this way. And I do in this business and I'm like are I'll do you know when needs to be done if I don't feel the importance of it in that. Like in that moment I will put it on my list based off a priority and so I had different priorities especially with us being a year in having a baby and then on a second baby in congratulations I had to. I had to have different. Priorities almost wasn't a choice for me but for him to understand that that was one of the challenges that we ran into. Because I was always there was always at the video shoots always at you know right right by his side doing doing things but other steps that he wouldn't need to do with social media and stuff like that. I was able to do because I had to have if in priorities because We were building a family. I will say some of the challenges. Were you not come from a sports background? So our whole thing is like Roh Execution. A nose like no excuses. No softness no weakness no blah blah blah. All that type of stuff so I took that same football workout championship mindset to not just fat but my entire team and I learned quickly thereby hand played football. Everybody everybody don't talk everybody don't Move based upon like you challenging them like you saying respond to aggression and the number one person who don't respond to is fat. I guarantee want to redirect that limitation for the Hawaii before I will say necessarily after we got married but before we got married. I struggle with trying to motivate that way I received motivation and oh I'm talking about I would say stuff does to sternly. Not even allow voice in fact will be like. Why are you talking to me like that? I'll be like what you be like. I just don't I don't understand why you have had the realize. Hey Hey hey she don't work for you. This ain't like a football team. This is a marriage. You will humble yourself when you talk to her in a way that she can receive it because we are partners alive. I used to be like I used to be awesome. Like and you just sensitive you. Stop being insensitive. Were no she? Don't gotTA stop being sensitive. I got stopped talking like I'll talk. Switched away I was talking to her because she is sensitive issue. Not me I had to understand and this was before we got married. I'd understand that if I really if I truly love and I'm Julie Mariner The reason I accept her one hundred percent as she it not that. I don't want it to get better not that. I don't like push in a way that she can receive to get better. But I accept wholeheartedly cheese and I appreciate her. Hardly foods years And the difference is that we have because the differences that we have make us work so well together And Mike to answer your question. I don't think our intention was to brand love. It was really to show people who we are like. Where the saying in a video On a podcast on TV. Like where the same in all those other spaces as we are in our actual home and so it was really just to show people in to tell people who are and after like our our marriage is built on a foundation of love so it can't help but shine through everything that we do beautiful. I just feel like when a new generation were. Everything is so Mimi Instagram facebook twitter. All this stuff is just like and when people talk about mayors they talk about it like Odell Ball and chain in a negative way. They just seems like when you guys talk about marriage you talk if if those is biblical in its divine and I think that's that's not convenient in it. Yeah it's not instant and is something that you have to work through when there's going to be tough times in hard times get to know somebody and this is the really cool aspect because there's not a lot of people who have that within their relationship or who are sharing that within the World People WanNa show their butts on. Instagram is though they not showing like what a healthy relationship is. And I just think that's really really dynamic I I fully agree with you and beyond like whole biblical thing. I really think that marriage is literally the most beautiful relationship you can have in your life and I feel like it. Rozier most Grocery more than any other relationship that you have in your life because you're dealing with somebody on a twenty four hour seven day a week basis. Who can't hide from? Uc's all your flaws and like you know what I'm saying is as you like. Full like the whole naked and unashamed type thing and this person is who has my best interest at heart is to hold me accountable to everything and why you can't hide from the person and you have to be who you say you are with this person because like Jose. It's a marriage is not like you can always tell if somebody's in like a healthy relationship with the warriors by how they treat like the person closest tool. I look at life completely different now. I will be talking to a do it if I do say he got away for the. I'll look at how they relationship is how she responded to him and how she acts with him and thank sweet together. That might prompt. I probably don't WANNA be like in no type of relationship with my partner because it's the person closest to you and that relationship banks week so You know what I'm saying. What would you do with me? You would do the person that you would like the person that's closer to you liked by. How would you handle me so I always look? I look at does life and Family in relationships just completely different just because my hope respective of marriage an because how we grew up people always may mayor seemed like Like it's just the worst. It could be the worst thing possible for you. If you get involved in is really the best thing that ever happened in my life. I think unfortunately there are so many examples of failed marriages or bad marriages. So I think it's like for me like when someone says over Mary like to me that if that's not a great thing like you said because you don't know them. I don't know what happens behind the walls. What happened when the door closes? Because there's so many people you know personally that are married in looks great on the Outside. But they're struggling in their literally Just living through pain every day even though there Mary. So I think that it's so important to show A healthy marriage what that looks like it with a Chemical Lake but just know is work if so it is is so much work every day but in so worth what's rewarding it's all worth it like. Is it really is? It really is to go through the heart compensations in some of the arguments and then come out on the other side. You're closing your stronger. Together is so beneficial so many beneficial but a lot of people. Just don't WanNa put in the work though rather run and try to start something else. Are you guys go about putting such a artistic feeling on the videos and stuff in Intel v particularly the message that you do within Europe? You know we always talk about like how rap has changed so much and everything but to get you to jump. Majo- Bouma and then you come out these messages just like so positive and is A. How do you get caught up in was played on the radio but staying true to your vision? And how do you continue the Not not become a gimmick person but keep the validity in truth. I think it's real simple my. I'll be honest with you before I started doing any of this music stuff or not profits of I think and I thank God for that. I I knew exactly who I was before I ever started doing music. So I didn't know exactly how I was going to deliver a message in music or delivered a message in my nonprofit organization and stuff like that but I knew exactly who I was and I had already had the revelation on who told me was outside the football player outside. The talent outside charisma outside of all of that I knew exactly who I was under. Exactly what my purpose was. A new purpose was to be a conduit to the realization that people a purpose in people's lives in no matter what vehicle God has me and so now that I know exactly who I am. I know exactly what I will will not do. That's why I feel. I feel real bad for like child. Stars like kids get into business and they don't even have a chance to know who they fully are is like if I wanted to like sad things to me when when you see somebody grow up. Ambi extremely popular famous deal with all the extra stuff and people have to watch you. Go through your trials and tribulations whereas I got to figure out why was today aged twenty five. Stay with us. We'll be right back. After this short break Linda Ago Esam drinks or something. Je for second. First alert is the company that makes smoke alarms carbon monoxide alarms fire extinguishers. I'm happy about first alert. Because there's nothing more important to me in the safety of my wife and my kids I learned has been protecting homes and families over sixty years and encouraged you to practice carbon monoxide also known as C. O. Safety. My favorite is first alert. Ten years sealed battery table. Top alarm the one with digital temperature display. 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How did you guys get into that in in build? It started with my nonprofit organization. I didn't necessarily think I was GonNa ever be doing music. Even though I love music I got involved with Air Thomas in a CO owner more motivational speaking in the world. It's awesome things talent wise A later on in life he literally just told me I should music because I'd have any brands that were like had the influence in my life and were successful as ENC J. I just listen to what they were saying. I home myself listen to him. I never had no like Ashington make But I think I should do it. They didn't influence me enough in my life and helped me with integrity and character. Let me try out with talking about and I did within two months. I made like twenty songs. Now Mind you at that time all twenty songs to me where I'm at right now. We're all trashed. They were all necessary to begin the process for me to get to where I am right now. Though music is not my passion music my passion I have a passion to make urban either. I have a passion to ill the void that we have. I feel like in a quick question does a lot of mothers out there but you do a lot of this a lot of stuff why you pregnant and when. I went to the show. A couple of weeks ago US on stage dancing and shake in jumping up and down in the notes. Unless you pregnant like how do you maintain all that running a household running his business being pregnant on tour like does that take a baby? How does it took a toll on you? Like how do you mentally Basically condos challenges. Basically I definitely Devon the league. You'll get tired but my situation is different right because this is my nor I didn't have a pregnancy normal like at home Going through the motions and everything now my first pregnancy our own tour like almost a whole pregnancy and then at the baby had the baby all on tour like this it became my nor so. I just adjusted right. Don't know no different like I don't have that situation of you know being able to be at home the whole time or like my kids off with the babysitter. Go to work and all of that now. My child is here. I'm seven months pregnant and we go move whenever we have to. But I try to do little things here near for myself Even when Toby's like when we gotta go I'm like Nama. I'm glad ladies Baby based because desk for me the just little stuff here near or I'll go and get my nose done sometimes or you know just little things that give me like little breaks here near your meantime mentally but I love doing what I'm doing. I love taking care of my babies. My baby is very resilient. And she's like my. She's my little dog. She's right there with me is is fun. I don't have a I don't have a problem with it at all is fun. You guys ever scared about all the things that are happening in America in Wichita is GONNA be growing up in the you know I laugh but I you know as you traveling you guys are going on and you guys are travelling through cities through airports through different things like is. Is there a fear of those situations so concern it arises for sure but I don't I am learning not to be fearful of those things because I feel like I am protected by whatever he has for me? He has for me right so concern. Yes be knowledgeable. Yes Be Protective yes. But afraid no because I live for guy a he's protecting and I'm confident in that so when we travel and we go these different places. I know we'll be okay because I'm with that and I'll be honest while fat is learning not to be fearful. I don't have no fear of nothing. I don't feel nothing. I've already accepted all the except about this life and my weary of the ways world were the salon the answer is yes world but I'm also not fearful of anything. I look at everything that's going on in the only thing I try to do is stay prepared for whatever is coming. Whatever like whatever trials that I'm going to have to face on this. I'm just try to stay as prepared as possible. Am I by no for your perspective gender you have? The next baby is a boy or girl you know me man. I had okay so the simple fact just to say if you were having a boy would you? Would you feel feel differently with your son growing up? Or what your daughter growing up in this in this world up saying like you can have no fear you have no fear but when your child leaves the House make you feel a certain way like the child in fear for their their world? Because you know you you you see in a whole bunch of different size of America from the Pacers you might go in Detroit the places you might go in. Houston or la like is different. So I do feel like sometimes as parents we do feel a little bit of fear we send our children into the world. I mean one of the reasons why we home school was that lousy. I was GONNA say one hundred percent home school now. We're not home school. Our kids out of fear. I'm a home school market is because I'm not GonNa let your biggest influence. The people at your school minute like it works for me. So growing up by biggest influence in my life was my period. Maybe not you know what I'm saying. Your Dad Your Dad is different than my pops. You know what I'm saying but I don't want my kids biggest influence to be their peers or whatever's going because of society society is is wild man is while so you. I'm not like I'm just GonNa try to prepare my kids the absolute best way that that we possibly can't for me. I'm all right. I've given you all that I can give. Hopefully we've given you enough information that you could go out and lead us. 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How do you merge those two cultures because is a very rich culture in the Nigerian American history? How do you tell those stories story to pass in the President? A lot of times people see two black people in the culture two different. You know I remember what you guys. Waiting guys had the Nigerian. I was just like a whole different vibe and have you adjusted to being a part of another culture too I think is real simple. You just tell the story of I think the most beautiful thing about My situation is that I'm the first generation born here so I have a full. I had a full black experience going to school. I had a full Nigerian spirits. A coming home and being with my family so. I just think you just tell the stories by. I'll tell the story of my GRANDPA and I'll tell the story of my Grandpa told him and we'll go back home and you'll be able to see where you come from. You'll be able to see your lineage. You're saying I think the most beautiful thing about like where I'm just just me in particular is that I'm not too far removed. So that I don't know whereas that can go back that far in her lineage and get all the way back home you understand what I'm saying so like my my kids will still have a connection to home But we'll just tell a story that would today I mean I would. I would agree. I think that I think that there is a benefit for Within Toby's culture to be able to go back to his origin right and know exactly where he comes from Mine is a little bit broader are African. American heritage is just as important And they do need is she does need to know about kids. Do need to know that in that in that doesn't telling stories educated on that Astle experience in my family are traditions or whatever. We have one on but The fact that he can go all the way back to the actual origin Of His culture is is very beneficial. Until I've been considering it for a while now to go ahead and go find You know the whole history where I come from all be able to tell her June. That's not how when they ask me. Who was my great great great adding to be able to tell her too. So I think that's good on both sides because even though you might not be able to trace far back to specific place you still have traditions within your own family or things you did growing up that you want to implement into the family as well but but toby you speaking of the African African American grown up. This did that influence your way of doing music. Because I feel like a lot of music you have the you have someone to African Be survived it and you also have the southern a hundred percent hundred percent without without a doubt like everything that I that I've experienced growing up shake molded everything that I do. So it's a unique style unique style and sound because I have two completely different cultures. Emmy genuinely I also want to ask you guys real quick because you guys are always on the go. Hustle bustle business. You know as a part of your relationship. What do you guys do for your own alone time? And I don't mean like you don't have to give me the specifics but like what are you guys. Do like hobbies activities. What because I feel like that was going down the wrong will. How do you find time first of all? How do you find time with babies business going and then what do you guys like to do? Our real thing is just watching movies. I would just go over one of our friends house. Sit on their couch and watch Watch movies of. That's that's really as we used to go to the year a lot but we haven't had the chance In a while to actually Theater in a in a in a in a while. But that's really thing we like to watch movies and do nothing our. That's our day. Tom Com now. Doing nothing sometimes is the best thing to do. Because we're always always going somewhere always in a meeting or always on a roll always on a plane. Always you know doing always moving so we just like to sit still in lookout crazy tomorrow. Is Fats Birthday? You know what I'm saying in life ain't like once. Was I say fat? Let's go to Miami for your birthday. She said no not an essay for way. Once there were I said come on. Let's go you go to the beach your birthday and I think he's saying that because I love the beach. That's my happy place is going to the beach but I'm just like I don't feel like going anywhere. I don't WanNa do anything. I just WANNA do nothing. She said I don't want no surprises. I don't want to entertain no exactly assume his entire stillness. I feel like sometimes me and Michael going on vacation and the first thing we did. We're like what do you WANNA do? Don't really let's take a nap. I'm matt being tired. I go love. Akc FOR ME. I promise you we could go anywhere in the world. I nine times out of ten. I will not evenly Altero. I will make them unless unless fax has and the times when I do make him he ends up enjoying it. We went on a yacht. We went on a yacht for the first time it Combo or we saw some. Whales isn't sales in the water. Don't did you die no absolutely now. We didn't get into water water with humans. The swimmer Wales. I didn't say in the whales. Get another area. And then you see free willy now weeding getting out. We didn't get in the water. Will Be Free Willis Free Willy. We really never been a whole another move to be in prison. Got To give this up to be a false murder exactly wrong which there will But if if there are some some things that you would tell. People listed are into business with their Their significant other partner on the lover. Whoever THEIR WIT What would you tell them to avoid these pitfalls? You've got to be very open minded on some good advice for not that so some Some pitfalls and things that you like about being in business which a partner and things that people should avoid doing stuff that you like I think one is what you said earlier was realizing that business is. They're they're just -nificant other doesn't work for you. They work which you those are good point. No doubt not only that Just make sure your relationship is strong. Make sure your relationship with your spouse is solid after that comes first. Yeah that before Before everything that comes before everything making sure your relationship with Joe Spouse solid and that you understand clearly. Hey Hey Yo y'all wife your husband Is Not your your employees that show partner who I don't care what the I don't care what the business roles are. That's not joe employee and if you try to talk to them they employees. You'RE GONNA have real a heavy tension in your relationship zone and then say I would say once once you do that. Once you're you know you're the relationship is solid And you really should with your cases solid that needs to not assume Roles on the other person in needs to be very clear who's responsible for what And that that person is okay with doing that. A lot of time with assume at this person is going to do this Nigga and they're going to do it this way and you know an and execute in a certain manner or timeframe that becomes a huge issue in Huge area for conflict. Because once they don't do that you're looking at them like why. Are you not doing your disappointed? But if you clearly communicate your roles you on assume that other person is going to be doing this then it makes for a better relationship work relationship so when it comes to sex do you guys. Is it one of those things that the other person has to athlete? Sometimes when it comes to sex like it becomes like a task but do you feel like when you in the sexual issue which partner do they have to ask or do do? Do you guys feel like it's better to because. Pelley said a sexual relationship that communication is the important thing. Do you guys feel that is important to know what you mean by. Communication is the most important thing I think communicating role before. Like how you get it going. Let's communicate has going 'cause I'm not feeling it right now. I'm GONNA lay here. I'm GonNa go do something. My stomach hurts. You know what the situation but communicating before and then during because you during the act you know. Sometimes you do need to guide your partner and that's okay though. So how does that work absolutely active? I one hundred percent agree with you. The other person can't remind you'll be over there by struggling if you don't open your mouth and say something A lot of the Times. It's it's initiated both ways. Sometimes one person wanted signs the other person does it is the way life like your TV show and everything. It's always hot steamy on my God. I just want to actually down. It's not always like that. So you communicate and how you are a how you're feeling in that moment and being open Other person however they're feeling or their needs in whatever they got going on is is very important especially especially now for me because I'm pregnant and my body is doing a whole lot of crazy stuff that to him. He has no idea just trying to have sex with somebody got a whole another person inside of and ABC moving while you uh talking about sick. I'll talk about well. Listen listen but you gotta stay true to the game. That's what I don't stop us. Oh Dad Tombaugh immaculately yeah but you gotta you gotta you gotTa communicate a you gotta be like like I said open. Because when we first started encounter in these issues it was like The other by almost like they were like a toby was like you. Don't you know a What you know how you want me to say like desire muir initiate in stuff like and I was just like do like. It's exhausting making. I want you Budo. Because he let me tell you how go here might say yes. Go ahead Michael. I said the F. Like guys do feel like they initiate sex more than women. But I don't think that's the issue but it just seems that seems like the because I guess because it's like men initiate the dance. I guess men feel like that a lot of times. This doesn't Chew Statement. Yeah maybe there's an issue on the woman is not an issue. There's everything could be anything. It could be tired but I'm saying like if the communication is not there that could be an issue not false cutting the man. You're not at all no no you don't WanNa just be laying down and try to like you wanted to be to just say why don't be trying to get hit with the sneaky meat. I Trudeau like I grew appellate though it is very hard because I feel like sex is not something that we talked to have that communication about we even we look back in school. Learn how to communicate with. It's just something most time you see is sexual things you own. Tv or anything like people kissing high steamy close. That's what you'd envisioned. There is too much too aggressive ono. No seriously and this thing in real life especially mayor it sex. Don't be nothing like yeah. Okay that it's not that's the media. Sex is not real. Life is not the norm. So is okay but like you to be like one person initiate and then you talked. Y'All talking through without doing in the moment like hold on. I watch what watch how crazy this I used to. I used to try to hold fat to Her loose ways that she had before. Wow nighttime about Louis with everybody. I'm just like hey I need you to that we good. I was ready willing and able ready ready willing and able when we first met on it. I'm not here on this. I want I don't want no conservative. Behavior everything after you got married but that goes both ways over. Sure goes both ways. The only thing that was different is I'm I'm asking to be like that and does life has changed. Like Brag. Need she be tired. She don't be a be a whole bunch of different stuff and I'd be like Hey I'm just as lane I'm justed. I'm the exact same person that you that you that you bet i. I'm talking about a hold it together. She like you know that I'm tired. I'm tired when I when I was young and I was out here. Don't do it turn around. And it's not that I love him. Any LEZAMA transit him any less. It's not that my body literally. It is going through changes. I cannot entrust a sign right there where you need to act. Maybe she needs to lay there. Oh you're retired now. We go to. I went from this how Saturday I didn't win from being like I was up. Let's do it to see just saying descent her while she always willing Okay Sa that'd be nice okay. Let me just rub your back. I'm going to say it is what it is is love. Real relationships are built on so much more than sex. Not a necessity Is is is a beautiful thing to have. But you're not GonNa die if you don't have sex couple nights. I promise you noticing. Set a couple. Now I'm saying I could say Five to six weeks. Because that's what that's not too far because they exactly say six weeks but you know saying I tonight. I'm having a baby a month before one six weeks but I was like I'll definitely test that theory. That's ageism but you're right. I think yeah marriage relationship. It's more than that but but when that doesn't come around you know. Communication is key. Communication is key absolutely so we have this little game. We play low tin. But I'm not taking questions maybe nine ten questions about actual question either or either one. You guys can answer that. We just did the questions a quick. This is rapidly quickey so we go food food food or Gumbo. Ooh Yeah Okay. We're going to do music. Dj Screw or Michael Watts School. Of course I don't know I don't know Michael. Actually Michael did the specifically for you. Toby another morning night or morning and night night with a lot of people said morning. This really interesting. I gotta get to work out all right. Let's get some drinks. Weiner's alcohol hard alcohol alcohol because I'm pregnant I'm pregnant. I JUST WANNA glad this is for this fat clear around. Oh Oh staycationing or vacation. Do you stay home around your area or do you like to go stay case in vacation for vacation from me station. Good answer all right we would first of all we gotta drop drop. The man I came down. You got to do that before you go. That's how we used to wrap for defense. Listen to the show. I didn't come down. Uh Adam came through with Mike and Pele man what do what do y'all Swat Kim. Young West shower winters brush my teeth with crafts. Hygienes the best. So is my wife. How down on a you just might lose your life as it is what he had B. B. He came into the airport. Thank you thank you guys man. I mean we love you all man to man I. Everybody is the time of the week or you know. Have our little pro tip in. La does things so town we respectfully disagree on certain things but at the same time we still love each other so today's tipped we WanNa talk about having love. I think you have love. Automatically being married like it looks like it but also generally having love from both sides and bringing those together literally as a superpower Cubano love within the businesses and other. That's a good tip to because it's so hard to easily be shattered by what's happening in the workspace around your was happening in the world and you could easily be influenced by other. People's relationships is really about the love that you guys share so keeping love from both sides like Pele say is important within the relationship because love is hard. Love is unconditional love. His heart and additional levies will not love tonight. I loved his pin or loved his thing. Because I even get Joe. Supposedly I love Bruno. Mars go fucking talk about Bruno. Mars like that he did say. Don't postel fees? I said why he goes. Because that's my face. I was like Whoa. You are getting a little crazy now but is true love. Love is so hard because I don't know if we something that we have the experience we have to go through to have that. Unconditional love so I feel like the prototype is to really have an open. Heart Open heart like because love comes with so many so many strings. I mean we you dealing with the trauma of people like of our own experiences. Just I don't know I just feel like unconditional. Love is something. That's really hard hard thing to do. Today on this prototype are fans if you have anything that you feel that. It's been hard for you. Unconditional love is hit us on the feed and let us know. Maybe we can jab talk about those things have been hard for you to get over his in really love your partner the person family. Because there's some kind of love this keeping you back from the unconditional side. That's blocking you. You just like the campaign Matombo like no love. No love no so as this hard so if you guys are out there listening you hit up or instagram or twitter. Whatever and just let us know about it. That's it that's it that's the end. You don't have to listen to Michael Anymore. But come back next week for me on another episode of mouthpiece with Michael Emmy Kelly Venit next week. We talked to James Beard Award winning. Chef Eduardo Jordan. He's the man behind the great restaurant. June baby which is located Seattle. Please describe to US or like us on anything that you listen to Apple Stitcher spotify. 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14: Staying Sane While Staying Home

Mouthpeace with Michael Bennett & Pele Bennett

40:57 min | 1 year ago

14: Staying Sane While Staying Home

"You wake up. Wake up a wake up. Wake up a I said what wake up you're listening to mouthpiece Michael Bennett and Pele. Welcome everybody in the crisis of the world right now you tune into mouthpiece and we're here today to talk about keeping your family positive and sane in his world crisis that we all thought it was a joke but his come into reality right now and his twenty four seven which a family twenty four seven dilawar any crisis within your family and having to face it every day. Not as miserable as it sounds. I know people like but we're live from our bunker. We just bought this new bunker. Who would kind of dug in the ground and Montana? We have a enough food for two years. A couple of weapons some highly explosive tools. So don't try to find us in our location but we're Montano so yes. Are we telling. So we're not telling you where bunkers but you just told everybody we have so that actually also compromises us. We're not compromised. Because we have the new technology that we just got from China. No I'm joking but we are definitely not in a bunker. We're definitely not watching netflix constantly. We're not overeating right now. Chocolates and and extra fried chicken on a daily basis. So basically really talking about yourself right now owned my whole family has been eating Mediterranean fish from the Mediterranean. No but I think what we also at will. I guess we can share like personal stuff. That has been trying to keep us saying individually as well as trying to keep the family entertain. Keep the kids going and for me. I would love to order food because I've been cooking every day three time today. We Open Cooker. So yes you do cook. Sometimes Times. I didn't count on maybe two hands up and prepare food daily reduced lunch or snacks for cost of so when I mean cooking. I don't mean like instant microwave oatmeal sandwiches does to thank you. Don't tell people down doing their best. To help you turn it down is. GonNa just make my effort gold right now. Hi I'm hi my contribution to the team so cooking has definitely been. Actually you know what it hasn't been like a headache or like I think. In the beginning it was fun to cook and then in the middle. It's like okay. Go to your cookie now but it has been a little more fun because you have a little more freedom to cook because you have to cook not because it's like you had this crazy intense day then you have to get in the kitchen. You know it's been I think not easier. It's just been more fun. You're mean I've been really pushing my cooking skills to the test these days you know. I could the Mediterranean chicken other day. Put it in the Crock Pot. I didn't lamb at it. May steaks on the Grill Fish. That doesn't allow different types of dishes. These days probably wasn't eating meat in another thing we've been doing. She's been eating some land. That been preparing and it's been interesting so I I would say with cooking has been fun is I. Want to say it's therapeutic for me but it's been fun. I think the hardest thing people do appreciate was schoolteachers. How often we send our kids to school. Don't have to deal with them from eight hours a day and now we stuck with me like do I really like my kid or not and then you can probably questioning that. But we've been lucky though 'cause so but then also we have been doing. I think a lot of people know that for the last year and so even with that being said is that that was good that we did it because we got a taste of what this is like now but at the same our teacher is not with us so we are more mobile. We have to be virtually online. And so now. It's like another curve. We had to also adjust to ourselves. Because everyone's like. Oh you guys already do home school so it's finally yes but no like even all of this is new to US having to go ahead and try to figure all this out to be honest the the patron. She's good she kind of goes in. And she's very studious. She does all her work. She goes back. It does what she needs to do. Blake is a hit or miss. You know one day she she's an hot streak and didn't one thing can go down the long long road but Ali who saw the prayer Rufus. She definitely been on a hunger stay with her constantly. That's been the hardest child to deal with. I think for for our kids. I know Ali. She just wants to do what she wants to do. She wants to do. You've got to follow the but the thing is it's like she knows what she needs to get done. She'll get it done. He's told us go in like a few circles and then she'll get it done. It's Kinda like you when we get lost and I'm like Oh Michael Tournament and GPS and you're like no no no. I know where I'm going. We get where we're we need to be. But it takes an extra thirty minutes from dusk. Not True to doesn't further fake news fake news to our listeners. Doing a CNN please. Don't listen to Fox News but now I just think you have the youngest kid. The age difference like the amount of when they pay attention. They don't pay attention. That's Kinda hard to judge and I think definitely the Yogi kids to our listeners. We're which you in spirit right now. We do understand if you have kids under seven how hard it is to keep them focused the whole time because you really have to stay with them the whole time you wanna run off and do something and then you come back. You're like what the hell. How did you get marker the wall hauling at that happening you know? I was just about to say that. And it's like as much as Zany to focus. Also sometimes when you're helping them you have to focus also because you yourself as adult get distracted because you're like oh. I have to sit with them. And then you might have your cell phone with yours. Something on the TV POPs up in so it's like a double whammy of two people trying to stay focused. It's more difficult but overall I think he's been. I think the greatest thing is the ability to spend more time with your family but I was looking at one thing that I did. Take for. Granted was bagging groceries. I didn't know you go to the grocery store and you had the bag your grocery and your own groceries in a cart and you know you just take that for granted but Baggio on groceries wanted somebody waiting behind you and you worried about getting corona virus and you try to pack up and you got your gloves. Oh it'd becomes really hectic in the store that is true so when I was in the store and I was starting to bag groceries and mind like a lot of items and are moving. Slow the girls looking at me. The cashiers look at me like hurry up keep moving and so this other guy came over and he started helping us and I just stopped and I was like I really underestimated people. Bagging things at all. I usually not a person that's like. Why did they put so many cans in one bag? Why do they do that? Why do they not double the bag? But I'm like it's really really difficult in a young man. That was there he goes yes. It's a science to it and I said almost a literally as to sign a high pressure job. When there's a virus online is hazardous and there's somebody waiting in line and they're looking at you and you like do not call me 'cause we can get a Roland in the store right now and you feel bad because you know the people who are working behind the cashier. They really are stuck in a hard place. Because they're behind this and name literally risking life and risking disease and you just try to move fast or you know you can help them and have their day but then also bagging. Groceries is harder than I would say a death one thing that I will forever ever remember about this whole thing with my friends of bagging groceries for sure. It's a winning. That's the one. That's that's like a little small thing that I took for granted. Everyday you usually go to the grocery store a lot and now you go to the grocery store not as frequently but when you go there you have a lot and you just kinda rush and like you said you look at the cashier. You like the person bagging groceries. I come speed up. I don't want to be and now you the person that everybody's looking at you speed up. I got somewhere to be like as I came back and forth. I think is because everyone in line has so many items so now he because you have to bag so much and was so much to go through is taking longer thing. I hate about that whole idea though is just like you go to the grocery store and you walk into the grocery store and everybody's like don't panic. Don't get more than you need. And you look at the news is like people are dying every day. Kid everything you need tech what you are you going to die so you go in the grocery store you go. They were like you have a list. You have everything you're going to get. And then all of a sudden you go into many manic mode and everything that you had it just changes. It's almost like you. In one of those old shows that people used to to the grocery stores and everything in the grocery allowed that show it was called grocery store something in they give you like five minutes and you could whatever you get in your car. There was like a two shows one. Was you just get it in another one? You had to ring up to see who purchased the most money wise and so you throw stuff in your car and that was the first time we went to the store. We care we butter. We did get none of the central being. Is that like you said? Everyone's saying not to panic but there is is so difficult to knock on the store and not feel a little unease but also knowing that you need to get food but looking at the surroundings how your regular grocery store trip is not the same. No you're Mad Max Walker but I'm like Oh my God. This is Mad Max nearby guy on people got BANDANNA ZONE. People people got semiautomatics in a pocket. It's just you go in there and you just like I don't get gotTa survive this moment and you just go and just knocking meat into your thing and just grabbing things. You don't need there. Were so many things. I think that we got that. I was like what is this. What do I pair with this so then I think that's why I said it was kind of fun in the kitchen. 'cause you're like okay what it's got to do what? I gotTA DO in. So you know you get creative but I feel that we got the thing. Is I keep making a list. I'm a list person for the grocery store because I'm usually the one that goes but all the kids say Michael is better than the grocery store because he gets more snacks and junk food and Macho. I'll just get the right things and I don't need this. I don't know but I'm saying the even when my niece lived with us she was like okay. I have to be honest. I do like Michael. Go to the grocery store because you get more stuff that they want to eat snacks and whatnot. But I'm every time we've gone to the grocery store now which we really try not to go out a lot not so much to get it but just in general staying at home I think is more important but every time I take my list I never use it and then when come back home I'm like damn it. I didn't get half of what I need to know. She don't get what she needed in the car does she gave me that. Wife look like go into store. You never get any has left something in and I'm like okay. Let me go. Would you leave Lim- limit? You want me to raise my life or some damn limit. Now I I the only happened one time and I think Oh. I didn't either lemon and butter butter. Which are very crucial to how we 'cause we need in both of those two looking at me on my risk my life for this but you better you better give me some risk my life with no gloves on this in there I just. I don't know if this is just the grocery store experience I it was a whole nother experience and I think now. I think I'll take my time in Maury when I when things get back to normal and smelled of vegetables once again and pick things up slowly and just avacado many times Avocados and got home. I realized that these avocados are over. Fucking right happened like seven times so it's just like a millionaire and I'm trying to get the car does with somebody behind me. Nato have a coffee mask or they don't have on gloves and I'm just like I seen people with no shoes on and I think those people are just trying to test the viruses grill or not. I'm like okay. Keep walk around notions. Oh no gloves now has definitely alarming when to see someone with no shoes like. I say some people. They don't have mass when they don't have gloves on. Like you see it but to see someone with no shoes. I was looking at him like really. Why don't you have shoes on in the grocery store in general even if we weren't going to this pandemic why don't you have shoes on? Oh man but you know after after that. I think the another thing has been pretty interested in. It's definitely spend more time and having time to self reflect. I think a lot of times we. We've been so busy with jobs and all these different things. We don't suffer flex much as we need to or affect on family journal our faith and I think this has been a great time to reflect on all those things right now. Yeah I think no definitely I think but it's also a little difficult because I feel it everyone you know. Their situation is so different. How they're living Their means to to get things in to use things and so I feel like it's the reflection is a good in a bad though because reflecting on like Oh would I have is not a lot but it's not what I you know. It's all I need but also in cycling missing in your life also so it's like filling those little holes and like okay. Where can I do better for myself? So you know for my family and whatnot but you know one of the funny things happen this whole harm. People can't even I. I've been neglecting put lotion on my feet in. They've been pretty. They've been pretty Ashi right and and it was so gentle. Pele looked at me with so much concern last night. And she said I think you. Are you saying we need to go? Are you okay and I looked Harrison. L. Baby I just need put lotion on my feet. But those are the things that I remember like being so Ashi that my wife was so concerned that I needed to go to the hospital. I didn't know you were going to mention your feet. I am nine joking. He was watching. Tv I walked into the room. The lights were on and his ashes of his feet was just like glaring with the light in it like literally. Well it's like a reflection income. I like straight to his feet and I was like Michael. Oh my God look at your feet and he was like what and I don't even know how to explain what your feet look like because it was beyond stones. It was so scaly in dry it would dry dry feet. The water dry. I was like Oh my God. Michael is something wrong. Like is your body deficient. If something do we do I need to? And then yes. He put on coconut oil in. It disappeared also. My badges didn't need the Ashrafi up my feet out in a while but that moment right there is a moment. I'm going to cherish the way to my wife looked at me will concern. She cared about me. She cared about the way to my feet. Were and how is present myself? Stay with us. We'll be right back at the short break. We'RE GONNA go drinks or something for a second distress. Daily life ways on Oliver's whether you're an elite athlete like me or just in regular person trying to get through the day with all these muscle pains in his muscle. 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No no you ordered along. The events are mark. Argue situation have a very limited items. No they just don't wear the clothes to have. They just were more clothes hanging up than they WANNA wear. And especially the kids but I do think it is important. I think you can have some executive being in house. I think sometimes people dressed up makes them feel like they want to be proactive or whatever but at the same time I'll know being comfortable is super important right now but I just don't want my kids wearing pyjamas holiday and teenager. She's trying to pull it off and I have to be like brush your hair please. But she's no no. I'm not trying to impress anybody like impression yourself. You'll get real busted house right now. You'll he's been impressing yourself. I think is taking care of yourself like I don't want the kids to address for me. I Want Them. Because you know like when you get dressed and also changes your mood it makes you feel good so if you're at home and you're bored and you've nothing to do than actually fixing your hair and actually does change your mood in for the girls and like look I do. They're here and I also take them ticket the Harrigan so right now on the only person that has to do their hair in my here so I have neglected my hair for those and afternoon. The girls here all the time. So our oldest Peyton. She's thirteen and she's really long hair. And I'm like dude. You know how to do the basics. I'm like if you could just help me out in that space. I would be forever grateful but she likes to keep it in a ban in opponent till so it goes so far long. I'm like Dude I can't even get these tangles out right now so for everyone. I think like with your children. I mean obviously we need to have patience with them but if the kids also can step up and you know help out in these different little areas then I can maybe tend to my solo at the whole. Let's you and you know what's so funny now. A thing like a common sneeze sneeze that I just right now. I've never seen people try not to sneeze or cough. I see people toe. Is Everybody's holding in a blunt or something? Some type of cigarette is that they call it but they're trying to keep to keep the smoke inside an inhaler. I don't actually you know something. Bill Clinton said he says I didn't inhale but at the same time is like when people call now you just look at them with his. There's glare like you sound like you're looking at people crazy when they cough and sneeze. Now even your own family members I sneeze to see look like I don't have I don't have no. I'm we're looking at you because you're not sneezing in your elbow you sneezing in the air pump sick. I want my family. At least they got myself. I want the whole family to go through. We can go through it as a whole family. No we already know where we're going to lock people up does feel like he does like Collar duty or GIAMBI's or or walking dead but that little comments. Newsday people do now. It's like there's look it's a look that people give each other and it just looks like but it's also if you see someone sneezing but also you don't want anyone to see you sneeze like. Oh my God I'm fattest needs to cough and then you channel. That's what I'm saying. You hold them in like you smoking a blunt you just. Kinda like do you. Just kind of go into the choir spiers and find a bag of potato chips and just let that go out and make sure nobody here you because it could be turned into something and I mean just the common things that we took for granted like sneeze and cough is also knew. That thing is that Having tease bathroom while you're out I don't want to go into the restaurant. I got a diapers so you have to hold yourself and not just little tiny things are just do it right there. Just pee right on coupon would do that though. People do football although some people people themselves. I've asked you that a lot I said. What do y'all do or if you have like a bad stomach diarrhea like what do you do on the field? Turco bag depending on. How important game is bacteria scheduled conversation? But what is something that most people probably miss being along that they didn't do affect people probably now for only along is on a toilet and house? Yeah that could be possible which is so funny. 'cause my sister sent me this mean and it was like a photo of a woman and she has like ten arms in every hand is on something like cooking cleaning. Zoom was on there feeding a baby so many different things and at the bottom says when your friends ask. Aren't you so glad you have all of this free time? Okay I was like right said some. It's still funny because that's what I said. It's so easy to say. Oh It's so nice. To reflect is so nice to have downtime. It's like there's so much good in all of this. You know that we have our temperature family but then there's so many different things that are happening. Also you know with domestic violence. You know different things like that that people have to endure during this time. So I might. We're all in our own bubble of lake reality but I'm really curious too late. How is everyone's reality? You know. I'm sure it's so different. Pick those everybody's reality so different were they experiencing is so different in these moments. Some of these moments are creating more anxiety for certain people people feeling trapped in close. There's a certain sector of America. Who feels they're like with this lockdown or these different things? They like their freedom of speech. The freedom of just being free is being challenged and just by that being challenged. They're trying to react to and not realizing that. We're not challenging. Your freedom we people actually trying to extend the freedom you know you. There's a lot of people who almost like is like we talked about this. But like it's like a pulling the plug into a circle like is people who are like okay. I want the sickness to go away and I care about people but in his people. WanNa go outside. I want to do this. But it's like at this moment. If you care about people who is you have to give up a little bit secure a better future for our kids and our grandparents and I think a lot of people are having a hard time balancing that. I think it's because usually you know everyone's like oh we carry viruses already. There's so many people dying already in so like this happens daily you know with all of these different things but for us to have to do it in this pandemic worldwide. We're all having to do this together. I think it does. Kinda if we're talking about reflecting it also reflects on like how you care about people how you think about people because using the example like old people are dying people are saying this statement but then you as a person. I was like well. I'M GONNA go out to the beach like I don't think to tear down like Oh you don't care a shame on you but I do think that that reflection is like a little selfishness. Because now it's like we're not like small little things like this is a whole big thing that if everybody can do this at the same time the impact it makes but then inside judging like other people's actions or even their words. I'm like I can't believe you would say that. But then like where does it go when someone like? How do you judge that? Can you judge just? Ms Is obvious. Like View San you care about this new human doing all these different things and then all of a sudden you have one task and people and people I actually. I think a lot of people will take how people go to jail for. The people have been taking that for granted people just in their house and being like having to like C. J. Did you've got to three years so two years you'd be out man like. Oh you got like we in the house all the things that we want all our house their house arrest some people are going mad in all we people are asking is for people to stay in the House one month. You still got everything you need to dig any. Just try not to go as much as you want. And funny part is that everybody should say man. I don't WanNa go to work today kisses. I don't WanNa go to school now. Everybody don't have to do something when your freedom is taken away if you have the opportunity to choose if you don't want to go to school is idea chose not to go to school but then somebody say you can't go to school like we let us read like one of those things where people just go at this idea that there are freedoms being challenges. Really what they're dealing with. I don't think they really day if they had the choice to stay home. They'd be like I'll stay home because I want to save people and save people who saw the vouchers and spare because they're being mandated. Stay home it just seems so un-american two they're controlling the soon as they have control over you like the dentist like okay wait now. It's a problem. I was GonNa say the girls because our family. We talk all the time on zoo based on whatever it is and they keep asking them also. Are you guys ready to leave out of your house? He'll ready to go places in my girls. I didn't realize like maybe they're really homebodies because all three of them are like nope. I'm fine don't want to go anywhere. I could stay home all day. I mean of course there are a little obsessed with the IPAD so that has definitely been a struggle on how much time you give them and then some days. I'm like you know what I'm cutting down tomorrow in the next day. I'm like okay cutting down tomorrow because there really is so much I was so it takes like you really have to be so creative for the younger for your children. Onto like how you're controlling not controlling your how you dislike keeping them entertained but also keeping them educating themselves so many different things so it's like if we can do to keep ourselves happy keep ourselves together same working on our individual things. It is getting tougher and tougher the more time in days people the more I mean they added more time. I feel like it's one of those things like we. We used to have the cell phone and you had the by twenty more minutes and thirty more minutes alive our listeners. You probably don't remember those days when we were kids yet to have the cell phone the by minutes fucking soaked but at the same time now is just one of those things where keep adding time and so we have to keep figuring out what is the best way to keep ourselves together and I think as parents that is very hard and as individuals heart and then collectively as a society are so I think we just have to find what is the most important thing is it the survival of our species or is it the opportunity to go to the beach will more tile which one it is to most people. Most people will say. I'm just worried about me. You know what I'm saying and to tragedy strikes ojomo tragedy. Strikes close into their environment is really when they get the wakeup call. But why do you think we have to get that type of wake up? Call for us to realize that this virus is real and it could possibly the injure life or make you have a hard time with the disease. I think it goes back to. I don't know that we're reflecting. You have to reflect on everything on your health. You know how you're eating before but then it's like compromise at the same time because then you're put into a spot. Where like if we're talking about food for instance all Evans. I guess stay healthy. You Know Clean. But then you're also in your home leg trapped with food that you can bring in an so then those desires and those temptations are actually becoming worse. Because it's harder to have that willpower to have the habit change so I feel like this town. Downtime could go either way for you personally. Are there you look at these things that you really want to work on or you just like in? Dole's eat chocolate chips and staying Accounting Netflix. It's like what kind of person are you right now or do you have a good balance in. Maybe you do a little bit of both in your labeled get things done. I don't know but I do think like balancing with your family so for us. Balancing with me and Michael then with the children and we actually have Michael's grandmother with us which has definitely been. She's always a blessing but during this time has been a blessing guys because she has been so helpful and when I say helpful not only cleaning helping the cleaning helping with the kids only like that I think also just bringing her wisdom of life in her spiritual wisdom of life that she's brought to our family that really helped us strengthening connect in different ways that I think has expanded spiritually and also mentally also. That's another reluctant to look at that. And like how do we apply these different things of higher power what you believe in to our lives and then also just listen not always talking is just listening to each other listening to yourself and then stepping outside and listening to nature? I think like everything is just kind of coming into one. Also think too. I think we say reflect and think okay. Let's take this into full circle just nature all these different things now. Sitting here in the people who have always been essential to our existence are now being seen as heroes is takes something for us to shine a light on people who've been doing people are doing job like people at the grocery store they go every day. They do their job. People at the nursing people helping people drop packages. This is just people who do these normal things into now that we appreciate these people. A lot of these people were immigrants allow. These people are people are lower income area. There's always dila racial tension all these different things that are happening to those people to happen every day and now those people are people that we always have been overlooking and said this about them they need to be moved out the country these all these different things and now those people who are now seen as the heroes and I think there's a crazy kind of blows my mind to seed it but those people who were considered non essential are essential people at this moment. And I think it's important for us to not just lied those people when this virus has over and all these things is that remember those people who put they life on the line every single day and we should make sure that they're not non essential people now that there are essential people to our success our society and we as individuals and we as society shouldn't take anybody for granted anymore because the richest people in the world have the smallest impact right now and people who considered to have the smallest place in the world are having the biggest impact in the world. And I think there's something to say about the world right now. No I agree one hundred percent. I think. Also what we're looking at is like what is essential. They keep using that word on. Get your essentials or only essentials are open and I know. Some people's essentials are different but to end the day. It's like when you're talking about like looking at people talking about leadership retirement people that we think have power that we think have authority. You know where is it? What are we used? What are we looking at when we're looking at people just like put them onto high pedestal and so now we're talking about thinking people that do these every day job in the grocery store and it's like what is the power? What is the authority? What is that? That's you know captivating but now pointing down it's like okay wait. I think it's almost like humbling to see people not in need but like how people are helping each other. How we're thinking of you know grocery store clerks like that's a very humbling. Just think of that person in like a very like human way that like they matter you know their work is valuable. I think that's what I'm trying to say is what we value the people that we value their skill. We value their time. But also we're just valuing. Their effort is not anything they're actually giving to us. It's almost like revaluing their sacrifice where volume sacrificing themselves going to these jobs that we once look that as nothing not nothing but we looked as you know not essential. But now it's like we're all valuing things in different ways and it's crazy because in our Bible study talking about there's one chapter in proverbs and it was just talking about like basically about how God shows us the strength of the world the weakness of the world basically and I think that's the thing that's happened to not right now this is really relevant is important and also to the things that we have always try. A high in the darkness are having the brightest light on. Her Main. People cannot shine those lights away from them. And you consider these. You could see the racial disparities in different communities the lack of opportunity and lack of medical attention to certain communities. And I think this right now the people who believe that they were like. There's not you everything fair people are really like okay. I need to swallow my fucking whereas I was wrong. There's a lot going on right now. And people are starting to realize there and the people who were against those essential workers now are begging for those essential workers to drop off their fucking Amazon Bucks to get the FUCKING TV new. Xbox were that was me but at the same time but at the same time you want people just really overlooking are now have such value in the world. I everybody. It's that time of the week where you kind of have our low pro tip in. La does things so Tom. We respectfully disagree on certain things but at the same time we still love each other. My pro tipped is weak would be to recognize the value of each in being on a daily basis. And I think whether it's in your home I think now even husbands and wife are recognizing the value of each other. I think sometimes as husband and wife we look at the wrong of what the person who's doing never about the right of the person or what they bring the light that they bring to your heart or they shine on you. Now's really a time to focus. We sit there we focus. Maybe those times. Some of those times I was the person owes. Rondi really wasn't her or him. And I think his personal time that we really reflect on looking and highlighting the great work of our individual family degree work of the people around us because our loved ones are essential to our lives. You didn't realize how essential the time which kids are to your well being because before your job was the most important thing you go to work. You need to make this quota. I never really make this quarter but when have you ever said I need to make this quota for my family and right now realizing that this is the essential I look at my wife and I realize hi central to my wellbeing. Essentially she is to the warehouse interest to this family how essential she has so and I really respected and are mired and I'm also realizing that for my kids. How different they are. I think sometimes we have so many things going on a we. Kinda group are the kids together. We say kids but now we give each kid a recognizing oh. I didn't realize that talent. Anyway she was so good at it. And there's like now we have to focus on that. Yeah I think valuing your children link for instance for us to watch. The girls grow in their relationship in friendship. You know they're like any Argue than they're loving on each other but to really see their interest peak on little things that one of them would say and the other one's like wait. What did you say like they? Just get excited in those tiny little things to notice. I don't know it just like really fills my heart where I'm like. Oh they're relationships growing in a different way that you know will reflect for them later in life but I I do think Ballerina. Everyone in your home. I I think that's so important is because you're so close with these people but do it in both sides. I feel like you have to have time where you reconnect rate like reconnect your relationship with your loved ones and talking and that could be in the home in person but it could be your family if our check up on them. Find out how they're doing. Maybe somebody even talked awhile. Hey what's up? You know because I feel like everyone and we're focused on ourselves within the home but then all your loved ones that you do care about. And that's friends in also think that sometimes it's okay to have a little space in your house and I know that houses are small. Houses are big. Whatever your space is looking like. You might have so many people in your house like if someone needs to go. Sit in the car for a moment. Someone is like find a tiny spy. Maybe they do. They need thirty more minutes. Because sometimes I feel like as much as we want to over love and over parcels on each other we also need to respect our space even though like mental space. We need to respect our spacer where we can be. Okay you know go have an hour of time by yourself you know you want to read a book. Maybe WanNa Watch a movie but you want to do it alone. And I think that's important also is that we just trying to continuously look at each other on what our needs are but also using verbally communicating. Well to say. Hey I'm going to do this in China. Accept it and be more understanding what the person needs besides yourself. So do you appreciate me? Yes thank you her appreciate you too. I do think you to. Its way you're looking. I'm not sure where this is going nor. My anxiety level is low right now during Zaidi level mirrors Laurie. Now why? Because I'm with you good Lori now. I'm dead serious. 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24: Reimagining Our Family and Ourselves

Mouthpeace with Michael Bennett & Pele Bennett

40:42 min | 1 year ago

24: Reimagining Our Family and Ourselves

"Wake Up. WAKE UP A. Wake Up, wake up A. I. Say what Got Wake Up. You're listening to two mouthpiece Michael Bennett and Pele Bennett. It's been four months since we have heard of first case. Of Kobe, and sense of pandemic has spread, and we've been on lockdown in our homes, and our cities in our communities away from our family and friends, and now we're four months out as July. And now we're contemplating and thinking about what has changed in our society culturally and also. What hasn't you know what? Those, for like there, such a disconnect between reality and fantasy and I think like people feel like conspiracy is like all these things going on. I want so you don't know what is the virus real, or is it fake and all you know you see people dying you like viruses real, but then you see other people who aren't wearing masks, because they think is not real, so it's like it's a hard thing, and I think that's the thing that we're not really paying attention to American. Is How much empathy we have to have for other fellow human beings by wearing a mash, and doing all the proper things that you see in other countries and I think in America I'm not sure everybody takes a series of some of these other countries where you know I think in the beginning I even was. Not taking it ask your sale more like oh stay healthy. Wash your hands and have a positive spirit, but now after four months I'm like no, like you really have to go out of your way to take proper measurements of how you're interacting with people what you're doing, but but going out of your way where you're seeing someone walking towards you now you're like dodging person like you're really doing stuff that you normally wouldn't do every day, and then you're also still stocking up on food and stocking up. Up on your toilet trees in the beginning I was like a half enough for what you need, but because it's so unknown, the panic on everyone I think is still existing the s so crazy because like. If you rewind in October if somebody sneezed, you say, bless you if they coffee like, are you okay, but now it's like one of those things motherfucker cough or sneeze you looking for the tape and be like we need to put this. In segregation by herself. He is sick or she's sick. It's so crazy because you don't owe, AM I. Not affected so I just feel like in America. We we open up things like it's hard for this country to a capitalist society not to be open. You know what I'm saying, so it's like they're weighing humanity versus the capitalistic, Mesa. De! Cities, in the states are opening knowing that there's an opportunity and more chances of people actually in the virus, but the greed and a need to have these material things need to be I. The need to have those is actually feel like sitting us backwards as American society, as American culture, and you add in the riots, you add in protests you add it enjoys floyd. You have a cocktail. There's ready just to explode because there's so many different variations of people's paying happen once and I think the government. needs to do a better job of controlling are not since of controlling, but really giving people to true on his narrative is like. If we don't have that shoot, narrative, people don't trust, and unfortunately we dylan what the president five that people just don't trust. They don't trust them, so people aren't really like leaving. What's happening or some people are just like this disconnect between the powers-that-be in the governing body actual people that the government actually governs. Yeah, let's say one thing out of these four months that I've really noticed. That is really different amongst everyone at. Within Within governments within city states, countries is value I. Feel like that word value you know. Everybody has their own term on how they value something and like how you value your food. How do you value each other? You know humans your family. Had you value your government, you know. How do you value your mayors? Different things because of all of these bumps in our rose as we go through these four months I feel like the word value keeps coming up and everyone has their own definition and terminology on what how do you value something? How do we value this life like that? Unfortunately, it even has come to that. You know where people are like. Oh, it'll be have that separation. Than how do we value each other and help? That's different. Different how treating each other? How people are you know? Bullying and people are targeting people that had it you know, and then it goes into race people bullying people who are from China in the beginning this year and I think that we keep putting our own value on people on things on issues, and that is if keeping separated also L. knows lucky animalistic the way that we're like how people react in these times a survival. People go into this mode. I must survive in their survival is more important than the next person I think there's a bit of selfishness. I think we live. We breathe a culture of selfishness when we look at the amount of things that are happening around us. We look at Instagram facebook twitter, all these different types of platforms as we build up these identities for ourselves to. Be disconnected from society and have our opinions, but no onto. Ours is the most important, and it doesn't matter what other people think. I think in this situation. We're suffering from now because we're suffering from this idea that I just WanNa. Live my life Yolo Yolo. So, it's like when you think about that. It's like that's a terrible mindset to have when you think about the older generation of people who have lived a whole life, but for some reason we want to be in the pool. We want to be in the club. We want to be in everything that doesn't really matter when it comes to the idea of being into life and I think when we look at our society now. We just suffering from so many. Heart shirts because of those ideologies and is hard for us to move four when we think about the future of America because there's such a broken down connection between the haves, and the have not in this world, but that does take it back into what you said. Survival mode because you think of America you. There's so many different ways that people struggle. I'm using that term survivor mode like some people eat because you're hungry. Some people eat because they're just surviving. In America, there are so many disparities and where we have oppression in different communities and areas that people are like in survival mode every single day, and then now it's come. We're every single person is in survivable because nobody can really I mean I. See it like you said. The hasn't have not some people might. Have the means to be separated, and still have their foods, but they still have to protect themselves regardless whether they're having people. Come you know sending their food or they're having. Someone picked him up. You know whatever that looks like. It's like everyone at this moment is literally in survival pandemic wise, but then you have the other survival mode. Of Black lives matter survival mode, and that is a different conversation, but what I'm saying is like layers now, but I feel like people are opening. There is not maybe you know understanding, but they're seeing that when you are in survival mode. You're helpless. How do you navigate this helplessness during his pandemic? which kids? How do you reflect and talk to him about this situation? How do you talk about them to change in was happening their schools and all this kind of stuff, because as parents like our number, one job is to protect our children, and it does moment when there's a virus air. We don't know how to protect. Protect our children. How do we protect our children? And we put them in a place to keep them shelter so much that we protect them. Do we put him back slowly? How do we slowly transition them into society in a way is almost like when everybody comes out of this like they've been in his solitary confinement, but it's like they forgot how to maneuver with this. This society and now the children who need these development skills to be better human, but develops goes to have understanding of how to be humans, but now they all stuck in these homes. How do we continuously push our kids towards? You know being better citizens and figuring out what they can do as individuals. Yeah, I, think it's that we're thinking of all one. Is Everything you're? You're GonNa get normal whenever you get back to normal life, but that is also knowing that is going to be normal so everything that you're going to do moving forward with your family and yourself. You have to recreate this idea of what the world looks like for you. It's almost like you know what I stopped eating meat so everything I started eating like Tofu where soil. It kind of tastes like it, but I didn't like it, or it wasn't close enough, but at the end of the day it wasn't that I needed it to be similar. I needed a new mindset of that tasted like that. Not because it tasted similar to sausage, you know or Turkey or meet. The soy is just a soy, and I feel like moving forward with our children is that we have to recreate in literally user nation also use like. Like your life skills that you already have naturally and recreate these new things, they're gonNA to have to learn recreating new fundamentals new foundation for your family for your children and I. Actually think that will for me personally I feel that it's really refreshing, because it's like you get to stripped everything off, you know like you're re furbishing it now. You're already have the bones and you know the concrete. You have all of that, but now you're gonNA Redo it. It and you get to do it even better, but obviously that takes like a lot of time, and it takes a lot of energy as a parent who parents have so many things on their table already, but it does give you a chance to start a new beginning. It does give a chance to start in the beginning. I KINDA WANNA. Reflect on how we I talked to the kids about the pandemic, which is interesting, too, because it's like they know. Know something's happened especially thirteen year olds because she's very. She got CNN alert, so she knows what's going on, so it's like you really can't beat around the bush. I really talked to her on a level of like a lot of times. It's parents think our kids understand and high levels. In this case, she really does know what's happening and trying to explain to her and not have a freak out because she is a panic worrier, a worry your book. She's she will go. On to. The way that she'd be in spraying. Wipe down. It is interesting bio the smallest one she is, she has no care in the world, but China walked at airport, a walk South something tell her something is just hard touches up her way of really. In a really have an of what it feels like and what? Her senses at a young age. She wants to touch. She wants to engage so having a conversation with her was like it was harder when you think so. Yeah, because I feel like we naturally, kids have senses they use all of their senses to communicate experience, but now we're just verbally talking and then it out like adding the mask on their. You know that is a whole new thing that the are learning, but we're all learning and so I think that. Just continue to support it, and it's like parents are broken records already so now we have all these new things we have to add album. Is You know keep on the mass? Wash your hands which. Up Everything, but definitely I would go back to Peyton because she is thirteen and she does read a lot. She's a bookworm, just so a reading in general, and she read so many things where I'm like wait. Where did you read this? How did you know about this? But the great thing is that she's also open to having the conversation I feel like she's thirteen, so she's not at the point where I feel like maybe i. Know Sibling where you read something you make your mind up in. That's your opinion and you know this is what I believe in. That's it, but for her is that she's still conversation. So not saying that I, WanNa, sway her, but I really WANNA see like. Why do you think that? And then I feel that? It's also like mind blowing to see her empathy. Go into these ideas where to me as like. She's becoming your own person and she's having her own voice, which is beautiful so stuff she does say I'm like what in the world? But most of the times I am like really excited to have these conversations with her. Because she is going, you know she's a teenager now. Who knows what she's going to? You know think in years the also think like having these conversations and stuff I think it makes you closer to because I feel like like you said I think as parents. We had those walls up where we don't really want our kids to really grow up. We want to keep this way. Keep him in his little box dolls and be like love you. This is a love, you and unions. and. Now they're starting to get older. Really started break out of our boxes that we WANNA. Keep them in like you said they're slowly getting intelligence slowly have an assistive understanding, and these conversations are very very hard, so as pairs I would say you know you gotTa have these conversations, even though the realities of the world are so harsh in what's happening at dark moment, but if we're not having. Having these conversations with our kids like police said they're going to get the information and how they take the information how they react to it. If they don't have a conversation with you is going to be on you because you were scared to have those conversations, so you let Youtube as questions for you. You see an answer. Those questions for you guy pleased on Instagram as those questions for. Or TIKTOK because you'll see them. Because because if you let those places answer, those questions Esa, those kind of things for your kids. The reality is you're not going to be the one who's GONNA shape their mind to really have a sense of understanding. It'll be the world that's right there, because obviously even adults if we all influence daily by news by media by the TV by friends by neighbors, we do. We get influence. It's really up to us. You know what we do with that information and we take it and for Peyton. I think that It's okay for her to see these things, but now we're also teaching her how to process those you. You know not only having a conversation goes to great conversation I understand what you're thinking and feeling, and then we moved better day. It's like no like also teaching them like how to process the information. Because you have kids at you know, read something or hear something. That's a negative, and then what do they do with it? You know even that little inbetween getting the information, and then I'm coming up with your idea or your opinion, you know I feel like there's a hole in between on how that person is processing. The and I think that is important, also even for the nine year old and our six year. Is like how do you process once you get it, okay? What do you do now? You just react. Do you like there's so many different things which actually is making my? Now that I think. Like so many different layers to them receiving knowledge, and then what do they do with? 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Do for like is a family I've like everybody feels like people devolved devolves. Maybe they they had no lacked evolution, but I feel like there's a lot in evolution happening within families and Transitions and transformations thick. We experienced that as a as a family. Personally I think we kind of started to really feel like. What is it that we want to do as a family what we wanted to individually, and it's a slow process, but at the same time it's a process needed because sometimes removing so much that we do not really still I know, said that before, but still but this process of being able to be still, and had these conversations in I think life together as change I feel like we're doing way more stuff together then we're usually do. And an essay, because we usually do a lot of stuff together, and you put that on top of doing more. Take think like seventy percent we by eighty three percent now so we're! Doing everything together, but it's it's been very interested, because even like things like riding bikes doing custody move in and doing things together I. Think it allows your family to have a system growth and even relationships. We have those moments we have those moments of growth and I think near pillow. Taking walks known all kinds of stuff and I hated when she gave me wrong. Sometimes, we still had arguments in our disagreement got disagreement is. Know Jada Pinkett Smith relationship but listen. We have our arguments and we move on. But arguments are. Obviously. Everyone is not all peachy keen in their in their homes. You'RE GONNA. Have your ups and downs but I think that when you do have your downs. It is actually more empowering when you can get over them. Because in this point you know you run away like I'm going to go to the store. I need to walk us off or something. It's like legit can't leave. It's like you just got married. You moved into your first house together in the into a big fight, and then you're like staring. Like were you to go? You can't go anywhere. You have to like just face it but I think like having the disagreements growth. Everything is going to be a positive all the time, so if you cannot have an argument and then come out on top. You know whether you agree to disagree, but at least you also use your voice, you said your opinion, and then sometimes you keep moving forward now. I will say sometimes. It is really hard for me to move forward. Because sometimes I really wanted to move. True now sometimes I will really be in a mood. So Eric. I used to want to be like novice like she magic. Let it'd be mad as you want. But you know that's another thing to progress in is like you know when you get into these modes, and then you're just like. How do you afford with it? You'd be mad all day because you're in the house with that person. You're in the House with the children. If they're dragging you crazy, you're in the house, so I just have to applaud everyone because I know there's so many people out there. There that are doing everything they can for their families. You know for people that they probably had to last minute help. You know family members for French. Who knows someone struggling someone's situation right now, but everyone I really feel is probably is doing the best that they can't. Everybody's out to doing the best. You got your headphones all right now. You listening. Don't take the sex away though people don't take. This is nice. Don't take the sex and. Keep, going! Yeah, actually keep going have is much. Marital sex you please in these moments. You know it's time for like this is going to be a baby boom in. Getting me. Do you know how many people be know? That got pregnant. During these four months exactly. Downtime, but actually do anything that we've done a pandemic actually. Don't regret much that we didn't have pandemic. I think with the circumstances that were laid off goose. We felt like we reacted pretty good. We were able to really get our kids to I can't really say what I would regret because I don't know I, don't know what I could have even predicted so I don't know what I. I would have regretted, but I will say what I missed due to lockdown is just socializing with family because we already have a busy lifestyle where we're constantly moving, but we do still see our family. You know whether they come to us or we visit them or we meet someplace else. We do have a special bond with like different family members on both sides of our money goes. To a family route I think everybody. Being with the family. Right that that's like the number one. Might their fifth couple of wine. You like you know five. My be look too much, but. Caffeine. No I do think the family thing you definitely right about that and I. Think especially when we're doing these calls, but I have to say like pillows, family and my family didn't do as many Jim causes. Pele but we did do 'cause. They were having a weekly zoom causing her family. All around the world and I think that's a good thing because I think a lot of. New For us, you know it's not new for us, obviously new resume, but when he meant like my family like literally my family all over the world, so we're talking about Australia New Zealand us. We're all in different countries. And this was the first time that was really bringing together, but also is so nice because you do get people's faces, you see their reactions when you talking to someone, so it does feel more personable, but when I was talking about like family, just having that connection with people that have stories of your family. Family growing Ben Reconnecting in learning about your grandparents or an honor like something they did younger. I Dunno, there was so many things, but but also in person not having that connection with all the kids like all of our little nieces nephews that growing up. You know there's so many different changes announced because kids grow so fast. That's just one thing. I miss with the family and stuff is just like you see your family. Get in gray hair and stuff like that. That's the thing that Kinda. You kinda really start to realize. How quick easy fragile life is you know? We had a family members who lost family members, and it's like within these pandemics and these situations you realize how fragile life really really really is, and it makes you appreciate the family members that you have and the racist that you have which family, but I don't think we will really change. You think too much about the pandemic. We'll say one thing I learned. Also lot was homeschooling. She cut me off. Though she cut me off so just just to say just to say that she cut me off and I didn't cut her off. Because something we've been learning. CUT THEM OFF TO Cut them off and he got the last drink. Like all school was hard. I can't even lie like I think. A lot of parents are super stressed out trying to pull out. Their hair will pull out a T. They fingers like my dad used to do. Days to do that though. Yeah he used to like Tyler Stranger and put on back, adored and closer to. You talking about okay, you made it sound like you. Abused Thinking fulling our team. Oh. Yeah when your tooth losing, you have to pull out. My, Dead so wrong. Raw Yeah and it's just like this country way of doing something I. Don't know, but I'd Ob home. School was like that time because your kids are just like everybody. Trying to handle our own businesses that we got going on and then try to manage the kids is just. All this was pretty good. The second one was all right. It was just the last one who was just. Being a master. The home school is difficult because you are used to having a teacher so when you're now going on zooms going online with the teachers. The teachers need you just as much as you need them like attention why they like. Oh! Can you please sit next to them? To make sure they're paying attention or grab this book? They need this project that he's material. And sometimes you're. You're like damn I feel like I'm doing so much to do I need you because you have doing so much and it does take time from what you need to do. So I think that has been a big learning curve is like how to get everything you need to done, but as well you know, assist and the kid and the teacher. That was a lot a whole lot. More wife gave us a great explanation of why the teachers in America should be paid more as we talk about change in America because also like to. Be. Home to you realize how much teachers go through. Like everybody always plagued by kids at band. The whole you believe God thereby kid batters fail. What I didn't know you got them banned them. You'll be school. Teacher Michael Thank I'm sorry. I didn't know. Thought. She was I thought she was lying on my child. She was telling me true climate on tables and she wanNA, swing behidn under the computer one of the. Daughters so smooth, she turned the little one. It's the one I think there's GonNa. Be as CEO or something. She turned the screen just a little bit to the so she eat chips, owner, rise and Shit like that like this mischievous little shit, the big dig! Definitely sneaky or one time blake was like I can hear the future like all right, so we're GONNA. Break for lunch and okay. Bye backed by hung up and I was like damage so Russo obviously sector, but those little things where A. Start Learning the system, and they thought they were one of beat the system, but we we caught on everything. And then there's a lot of you know little yelling on. Little little tantrums going on here and there in I mean from myself as well I'm like this is so our. But once you get the system, we have definitely mellowed out, and you still have those bumps in the road and I think that's going to continue for the rest of the year with so many kids going to summer school, and then like what are we doing and fall is school starting back up there? Announcing in so many different cities and states that school will be open, and there's some that they don't know you. I'm kind of. Worried about if our kids are put back into the school system. Like whether the of them really getting his virus in uh, sears, would it be? Is it going to be? Something where as a pair we're going to be fearful every day, and if our kid gets it, then we get was just a whole crazy crazy thing I think. Right now we send his moment of just like pandemic in panicking, and just not knowing the annoying part is the vortex of just like this hold is black hole of. Blackness in just floating in the sky and being like. was really happening I mean you could. You could live your whole life and never know the truth, but we're also like living virtually live in virtually actually, it's like a movie is like Black Mirror. Everyone stays in our house. And we communicate and live virtually in weird legit doing that right now, You're definitely doing that right now in the sense to like what you know, what if that kind of? A good thing at the moment that were able to do that or is it like? The virtual take is good, too. Because I also like just took a couple of wise right. We talk about pandemic and couples. What happened? What couples I think we're couples to you. Also see the model work that your partner does, too. Because at the time like everybody's gone missing and we do stuff other person doesn't see it. Are you doing this insight door pandemic I felt even more patient for my wife and monitor stuff that she's doing in among things. She handles I think it just makes you realize like like Dang like. I say it again at one time. On live air. Or you get non joking. As like something like you know something to be happy about to be able to look at your partner and be like I'm so happy that this is the person that I chose to spend my life with because at the end of day I think a lot of times we move so much especially being NFL player like a lot of times. I feel like that's why divorce happens so much in this league is because a lot of times people are with people, but because we're moving so much. We never really still, and we realize like Dang like I like the way she looked, but I. don't know if I really like the way. To the one I like the way he looked at his job. Your mind I would never just be success. Right, so it's like everybody's kind of like. Oh, well, no I like everything about the person who kind of like the job allowed you to get the best at person and then. They were gone some of the time. And now we need situation where you're at home in in this cocoon like while like there's moments. Don't get me wrong with my wife. Get on my God damn nerves. You don't get nursing time, but I'm saying overall. There's a higher message of happiness. Happiness. Like eighty, three eighty five percent happiness most of the time. Do. You try to get the news. Don't try to. Try to nurse. I think sometime. My wife does respected in perspective I. Don't who knows just I'm just. Get A. Minor! Do Billionaire. Persistent person so just like I could get up to nurse. You said you can go people's. But I have a good heart dome. My wife I think tensions I think. My wife realized to over his time. She has a good husband. I'm like how you said that to me who? You. Use! For me. I realise that they should. Do it because you're right. I think that like football life crazy new. Everyone's doing so many different things, but. Behind doors you know, we don't see what everyone's doing day. And then you come home or you meet up, and then it's just like Oh. I had a crazy date, and then sometimes I remember some people saying comparing what they did over my day was even harder. You know I had to deal with this, and it's not so much like who was more strenuous. Who did more because ended the day? We're all doing different things and everyone sharing hopefully sharing the load, but. Everyone's doing so Mahindra! Different things and does not keep can't compare that but I think it is important that everyone is doing something. 'cause I'd rather be doing something than just you know doing nothing laying on the couch. Washington d like for me. Personally, that's just not productive. Nothing's getting done, but it's all sitting example in the family and setting a tone for our work. Ethic within the family is that we all have to put in? You know not just were literally, but we all have to put in general. We have to put an us into this family individually, because that is what makes us and that's what keeps us thriving going moving in. We all add value to the family as well and I think too. When you think about the value and I think we as individuals and we as a family to reconstruct our values right? I think I. was listening to Tony Morrison. She and Sony Sanchez a poet. She was saying like wet to stop saying reinvent ourselves. We have to start. Say reimagined ourselves and I think as a family. We didn't want to reinvent our family, but re imagine our family is being something 'cause I say when they say reinventing the Senate. You don't love which you are already, so we have to reinvent that, but re imagining. Imagining is just changing some chestnuts. She's not changing your whole being you know and I think we kind of felt like we re imagine our family and I think if we look at this situation in the United States, our imaginations are very limited, because we don't see a lot of things that in the world, the way that we wanted to be and I. I think with the family right now. We re imagine a lot of things that we can see how we can even make our lives even better not tearing it down, but just make it even better being more consistent in certain areas to allows you to really fulfil your of your family and I think a Lotta. Times records island with ourselves and we've done really. Really looking at our faults and being able to really come and say okay I can do this better I. everybody hates being pointed out something that they do as a flaw because it's like you and knowledge in the floor, acknowledging that there's something wrong with you and nobody ever ever ever ever ever in a long legged life Wanna be able to be like. I think that is important. Because there's two types of flop people, there's the flower person who walks flaws and says I'm flawed. I'm going to double down my flaws and doesn't matter what happens within my flaws it. You just gotTa set me from our flaws, and I think there's the person who acknowledged their flaws and says I want to re imagine myself in try to. Taking the bulk in that. Either or both those? Yeah, Bob said, but most of the time the people who are in the ram of like reimagining their flaws and acknowledging flaws and re in trying to work through their flaws is usually a better way to really move forward in life. Put The answer. But I was gonna say that flaws are to just own as well. You know and like how the dynamic of your relationship or your family works, so you see someone else's law. That's not a flaw for you. You know so I think it's also. How do you communicate that with your loved ones on these? You know I'm doing petition. mirth airlines that I never do these these laws because the flaw that you wanna correct or Redo where reimagined is really for your own lifestyle within each other, it's not. Not really in life because that is you know what I'm saying like. There's something that you keep doing that I'm Michael won't fix this. That's not his flaw. necessarily. The plot is for him. That is not working for us. I think that's the way that we have to communicate that you don't have a lot of flaws, but how we're gonNA live. You know in cooperate here. That flaw is affecting us, not necessarily you know. In, my saying that right showed the best way. See warming, but I think that's how we're doing with the children how we're doing with each other. Is that when you start looking at these flaws, you know they're not bad. Think they're just don't work for us. or in this moment on how what we're trying to do and I think if we communicated that way then not to put a band aid over something or to make it sound pretty, but that is the truth how I see it. I everybody is Thomas Week, where you Kinda. Have our little pro tip in La does things we respectfully disagree on certain things, but the same time we still love each other. I think some protests for this episode. The protests for me I think would be to. Really reimagining yourself I think as individuals don't try to reinvent ourselves, because we self is that you are constantly putting on another facade. To fulfill that moment, but re imagining yourself reimagining some things around you, it allows you to grow a lot more and go farther because. Cells and loving ourselves as something allowed us is hard for us due to really love ourself because we look in the mirror, and we come to ourselves, and we see ourselves in that mirror, and we look at ourselves, and we don't really like everything about ourselves, but at the same time this is who we are, and so loving ourselves important, and I think in these moments in the pandemic. I those one thing that we really figured out. It's like it's okay for Pele to. Do have a moment by herself to love herself. Okay for me is okay for us to love ourselves and love our families, too so loving yourself feel like is important so reimagining what love feels like not reinventing it, because and reimagining love, it allows you to really put dig deep into the psyche of yourself in the psyche of your past traumas to really changed his experiences for the future and I think we look at America's a whole reimagining the ideas reform ation reform as a lot of the conversation. Is that are are happening around us and. Not only in the structural away, but also in a personal way in the flesh way also in a spiritual way. Yeah I like a reimagining, because you don't want to reinvent the wheel, you're going to rematch. What's new in what can come? But with that being said is that I feel that we live for the future, so we're constantly doing what we can now so that it'll affect our future in our. Our changes for what we want later you know what will come later and I think during this pandemic. Is that reimagined like today? Don't wait for tomorrow or for your month you know and love what you have now because we keep striving looking in searching in hunting for something better for something greater for something more, but that's never now. We always have to put that time in between it and we're. We're like well maybe six months all have this degree. Maybe in a year I'll have this house maybe then, but it's like, but why can't you just love and be in the moment of what you have right now and I think if you take the time in appreciate everything that you have at this moment the roof over your head a person in your life. You know your job at the moment. Moment everything might not be exactly what you want. And maybe you do WanNa get to the next level the next step, but don't forget where you have a because right now is still great right now is still special right now is all your hard work and everything that you put forward to get to the moment now and everything will come, but being the now to get to the future where she. Does my wife people, tours? And that's it. So, this is our second to last episode of the season next finale episode of season one. We're doing best of show playing clips and talking about our favorite moments from this past season, and it's kind of sad now that we're at the end, but please don't the next one. 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9: Comfort Food with Chef Edouardo Jordan

Mouthpeace with Michael Bennett & Pele Bennett

1:04:18 hr | 1 year ago

9: Comfort Food with Chef Edouardo Jordan

"You wake up wake up a wake up wake up a. I said what gut wake up. You're listening to mouthpiece Michael Bennett and Pele Bennett. We're talking about sharing coaches between other friends and family who don't get to see a certain culture like in Hawaii. A lot of people know about black history month. They don't know the story behind black or stream or how blackish when we started don't even know the contributions of African Americans in America so Pele and I came up with a good idea for our Sunday night. Dinner but girls are home school so we decided to create a presentation where they would have. We have friends and family come over. We had a big dinner. Explain to friends and family because I want people actually. We didn't have any black people at our house today. We did. We had a couple of black friends but also we invited other people from other cultures. How many different yes. No we invited friends and family on that. Looks like we have to literally go down the list we had you know white people from all different places from around the world we had Chinese. Yup We Japanese someone. We have Canadian her. We had a lot of different people. We might be missing someone because we had almost about thirty people in included women. Children families you. I just wanted to give you our car. Tax Of what our Party look like? It looked like the Kardashian family like we just went out into Scott. Different people but not. I'm joking wasn't like it was just it was or my looks like Pele's Family Pele's families. I told her GRANDPA tell her day. Which is Marquee is GRANDPA? Obviously but I always tell him. I'm like man when you get those pitcher like nobody could ever say who your grandchild like. Nobody can say anything negative around you because literally one grandchild is Laos another black ones native American like literally he has the home tonger Italian. He has like the whole spectrum of human beings Mexican but that was cool about dinner and so at the United Nations is definitely United Nations but we felt like that was important that we that's important to share what the day also consisted of so we had everyone come over while everyone was you know mingling and getting to know each other then the girl started off and they took them through paintings that we had on our walls and they each got to give a little bio history on the person what their contributions were to America but also to the world because their country. There's no past America and they got to talk so all three girls did to people each year and so in what they did the gallery thing. They took everybody run gallery with the thing. That impressed me to is two of our daughters. They are middle daughter Blake. She's usually really shy but this day. She has some pride about herself. She was really strong person that day as she really presented to. Everybody knows people that you were talking about stories. We're talking about Nina Simone and Marcus. Garvey and she was also a she also did Thurgood Marshall and a lot of the times where she was talking. I was proud of her. I was very proud of because we were able to able to articulate her message and she was also being able to share her story when she stumbled she kept going and that's what I felt like. She was really winning right there. Because of her confidence she kept going and it was interesting because we even had people like Jimi Hendrix. Bob Marley and Bob as everyone knows Bob Marley. But one of my friends was sitting next to me and she was like. I didn't know that. Oh I didn't know that all really heated that and she was like I'm learning a lot and even though we're joking we really were learning something and that was just between one person in so everyone in that space all said the same thing later they learn something. They didn't know that day. And I think that was the overall goal was to help educate but teach share through storytelling and through actual affects your and with those folks at important that we share like some of the hardships and some of the tough history to African Americans have been through but also for us to show some of the things that we should be priced about and and after they did their walk then we also did food Wu and may probably gave a history about the different types of foods that were connected to our history as African Americans. You know if we listened to the podcast but we talked about the story of you know sweet potatoes Collard Greens history behind fried chicken. How did the seas here? We gave those stories to the people and they were so surprised because we were saying. This was a part of our culture. This is a part of how we survived in. America's these food are here is a history of our story but also it takes a further than that because this has become a part of your culture and when I say your I mean like people in America you know when you really go into the history of it. It's African American food southern food but everybody eats that now so that food has become American food. Also but we know who in where it came from your the sub. We kept those breadcrumbs purse but everyone brought food. Which I think was amazing. Everyone participate in helped out in. I think everybody was really open learning and having conversations that day also. I thought the best part of the night is when we we had this little book on. We'll have like a bowl and we had picked some different things in history and I paid ten right him out and she put him in a bowl about twenty of them and we shook the ball up and then we had each person. Pull out something of the ball. And then they had the reading in front of everybody so they can have everybody understand what happy and it was just kind of a time for them to also go into their own mind and deeper docks because everybody took about five minutes to digest what they're reading and they said it that we had more time because by that time it was already getting late into the evening. I wish we had more time to piggyback. After they read their cards so that we could explain her. Talk about a little bit about it. You know because it just went to the next car I feel like because it was such a mixed group and they were young people there also that they might have left a little unsure but maybe curious to maybe they took it for something or maybe curious to the took a further but it was so much information because we had so many people. They're an addict cars. Were important because things like what is the freedom right. What is a sit in like? Who'S MALCOLM X? Or we just had like a lot of different things about even bought African Americans in the military in history. The French and Indian war like. There's so many things that we had in there and I think people were like really like and in our youngest. I was just GonNa say Ali. Ali did her Presentation she did. Ruby nell bridges. Do People do you know people? Do people know who that is right? Ruby nell bridges. Go look that up right now. Oh touch you're giving their moment to look it up You gun the dude already. Okay okay there. No but what was interesting when Ali used herself for example that you know when she said Ruby was her age at six years old. And you see this tiny little person you know that can. It's barely reading. What she had put together so about a story of Ruby and I was just like I think everyone that was sitting there kind of looked up almost like whoa your as like a small as you. She made that big of impact as small as you Ali. For all the to be able to you know when she paused when she says she was the same age as me kind of. Are The district room a little bit because for her you know for Ali herself all wanted to tell you. Ali is a funny little person was she is so intelligent and she says things that I'm like what and then I'm like that makes sense and I think that's in kids in general. Sometimes we don't listen to them. We just shunned them off. Quiet them down. Tell them to stop. But really if you start happy conversation with the child you're like wow you know lot and sometimes you learn from that like even when our friends? Who's a chef? His car did he pick was a chef about a desolate really neat. Then he got. That car was talking about. Who's a man I needed to know the history? Like I didn't know that. And like he's Asian. Guy Who show but he was just like Dang that kind of shook him a little bit just like some of the cars that people were picking. But I think like sometimes when you take that time to really talk to someone again and you costly are learning more about them but Teach them about like culture. Through food was amazing. Some people had had some of those dishes and Michael. Let me tell Michael was supposed to fry some chicken? What happened with your friendship can Michael. What happened was route. Forty two Fried Chicken Fried Chicken Bow China. Tell her I was like look you. Don't just FRY like twenty thirty five thirty pieces of chicken and who to fill in five sex who wants to eat chicken but I think the do much in and but next last night the chicken dorm the kids are super happy about that chicken roof. You're just because I know roof prior to listen to the show roof. Your chicken was delicious so I don't want you to listen to the show and be like Michael says you know you take him as good but I didn't get the chicken 'cause they were doing everything and I just was trying to get the house straight up and do everything. I'm in the middle. I don't eat chickens. I can't use the Siachen battle that out on me. I'm just cooking chicken my whole life. These black hands right here. They did my hand in Greece and take the chicken out without a fork or tong or anything like that. Just get the hand chicken. Take it out. Put it down. Make sure it's cooked proven chase people down on the field. It comes from frying chicken. What I'm joking grab. Somebody can't let go is because I've had held degrees before spent hot so I don't go to make tackles 'cause I don't know that's why as well her but at the same time but my chicken was good but it was interesting though because we're like glue free chicken. I never had gluten free chicken fried chicken I eat. I don't believe certain things should be changed like Baker. How about my pillow makes her home break now. The good thing about the combat that was interested in is those Jiffy box. Pele made it a homemade corden wholesale you. Some people put sugar. Don't I feel like that's a big thing in the south so the recipe that I originally had found sugar but I didn't use sugar I used monk fruit and I always tell people after I make it because there's a little bit like one Fourth Cup of honey but nobody ever knows and they're like oh this is so sweet and I'm like yeah but there's no sugar in it so I'm just throwing that out there because I'll make some things can made without having to put that white you know addiction stuff in there and I'm talking to my sugar James John McCain people if you put cocaine and corn bread is I mean? I don't know people imaging orange chicken but the ownership can be so good So I don't know I think too. I think the whole thing about this. Is that like a lot of us are uncomfortable to have those conversations or introduce people to our coach. I think that's something that we have to do. More of those dinners where we talk things out dinners. Explain our history because like you said I think a lot of people live different today. We have a special guest. Somebody known Seattle. I got introduced him to one of our friends roof true. He's James Beard Award winning chef. I've been to his is restaurants. He's done something to southern food that I just feel like is so complex. I feel like southern food has been overlooked the way because his so normal anybody can cook the Chitlins in grits in oxtail but to make sophisticated. We have one of the top chefs in the world. Schiff at Waldo Jordan. Not Michael Jordan. I'm kind of weird because you almost got like a Spanish name in ise Jordan. So you like what's going on like you step up. I'm thinking like you like a S- critic do didn't come on his blessings are you mixed Jamaican but I know black folks can be anything point right Florida down in Saint Pete in the area and it's kind of interesting because you you from that area played Tampa Bay in so I know same area very well. It's a very diverse place did have in so many Hispanic influence in the southern influence. A lot of different influences the Caribbean helpful. They play a big role in your success in the style of the web. You Cook because it's like you have taken those roots of slavery. Made them something into something positive. And do my best to do that. I mean yeah I mean coming from Florida so many influences so many different people To a certain degree there's pockets of everyone. I think we we tended to just stay in the in the in the neighborhoods in groups that we are familiar with in so you would see the Cubans Stay in the area like Tampa area and then you know a lot of African Americans in in certain pockets of Tampa Saint Pete the hood. You know certain spots you'll see your white folks with tons of money who came down from New York and hanging out on the beaches and then you have your poor white folks and then you have you know the the hood. Saint Pete so We didn't mix much but it was a lot of culture there and you know we we. We tended to mix when there was so festivals and things that people just came out and realize like. Oh shoo there. There's a lot of different people here does city. Let's make this clear. The Saint Pete Beats. Beaches are trashed by the beaches. Being the living place. You've gotta stand your ground and then you can't stand the ground. So what if what if you're at the beach right and then you got you. Put Your chairs there and you went back to get your thing and somebody comes back like this. They need ground like taking taking your Corn Bread. Saint Peas interesting. It is however Saint Pete Beach was named one of the best beaches in the world at one point in time. We don't. We say they like to do Robert. Patterson is the most handsome man in the world who fucking this is the most interesting person in the world. I don't think that new one has a different for different things. This question into oxtail or a jerk chicken going right now. Well I mean. They're both to my favorites but I grew up on more Occidental's than jerk chicken so excels will definitely get the thumbs up before jerk but I love me some jerk. So don't that's a tough one. I thought UH some oxo companies. Try You overcook it? A undercooked Katy cat awfully. He pulled it off. It was like I couldn't get the flavor to stay like it was cooked good but then I was eating a raw piece of meat. What did you do? Tell me your techniques? I looked on instagram. That's one on food. Food Dot Com. I should have called me. I should busy vows on. You're listening to and the CROCK pot cooked them. Good Cook good but for some reason I couldn't get the season in this state. Well so that's that's all school. My mom used to clicking in a crock pot she would basically you know started at eleven. Am We headed off the church? They simmering along by the time churches over four hours later because you know churches loan and sound those oxygen be ready but they weren't essentially like boiled meats and you know you would throw in different things like potatoes and carrots and onions at certain point in time but it is hard to season them that way but if you want some professional ideals in in techniques you call me okay so Michael. Why are you calling me? Look what about Turkey tails? Ooh What you know. About Fatty big all. Oh yes it's like. That's like one of those chefs. Kinda favors like we'll we'll butcher chickens or turkeys and we'll keep those little pieces for like our staff mill. Brace him off and then deep frying and all of a sudden crispy cartilage in inside all that fattening heart attack but exactly exactly five later. You're breathing heavy and stuff. So as you embarked on your your journey as a chef or a lot of the challenges that you face because you were some of the top restaurants around the United States spend time overseas like wh- what did you encounter like not only as being shelf but just being a black man inside this chef worldwide. You stated that again because I am a black man in a white man's world in this industry Face a lot of things. Some things were not very apparent to me Some things Kinda obviously me in the sense that like a black man growing up in a bright a black kid growing up in this society. You see things that other people don't see or notice things you fill it so I felt some of the same things in my industry Was anyone actually paying attention to me. Was there anyone really wanted to mentor? Me how hard I have work hard work three times harder than the next person. If my skill sets are equal are better than the next person was the opportunity not given to me because of my color like all of those things are all questions. Am I journey. Am I like you said I worked in some of the best restaurants in this country and so when you walk into those kitchens and his twenty people deep and you're the only person of color you know that's puts you in a very uncomfortable state But besides like trying to accomplish your goals your dreams and actually You know finish all the tasks that it's supposed to be done that day to be ready for service time. It could be double pressure on you and I see this as a reason why there isn't a lot of folks of color in some of the top restaurants because it gets heavy in at a certain point in time you're like why am I doing this. What am I what? What is the end goal? You know possibly don't have enough money to open up a restaurant up. Am I going to get yelled by another white man in this kitchen You know what opportunities are going to be given to me so all of that all of those things that I faced. And I'm glad that I died. A hail strong ahead thick skin and had determination and goals but Those are realities in this industry. Especially if you work in an atop restaurants and actually want to circle back because I want to know. How did you start having a passion or know that you are good at cooking? Where did that start was family? You know maybe an aunt and uncle because in my family males a lot of the males cut but every day it's a woman the woman yeah I would say. We share similarities. Where every day for the most part MY MOMMA GRANDMA? Some females was cooking in the kitchen to provide the meal. You know six seven days out of the week for the most part For the males like we did all the barbecuing They did all the outside cooking and big big butchering. And you know we were. We were Kinda ghetto. Kinda COUNTRY TOO. So you know we. We did cool things. Like butcher soft shelled turtles and raccoons and all school. So you know those were like Exciting moments as a youth to see those inexperienced those moments with my elders my uncles and my granddad and my dad Outside like seeing a squirrel pinned up to a tree. And you put in the skin down But I would say like my passion for food and a desire to actually cook happen through my mom and my grandmother It it it happened not because I wanted it to but my mom. Kinda gave me an ultimatum whereas if you WANNA go outside and play Football Street football Which boys you better either clean? Your Room helped me in the kitchen before you go out. And so that became that ongoing task out chop the bell peppers. Or you know. I'll break all eggs for the brownies. Whatever cases initial? Let me let me go out to the ball for a little bit And so that was kind of like the start of it besides like me starting to peak in the kitchen with my grandmother asked her more questions But the reality is like you know being a black family you know. No one really knew of anyone. That was an amazing black chef In general so none of them actually pushed me to the to go to culinary school. They were like you better become a doctor. You better become that lawyer sports agent. Oh all of these things I like I could do and then I can fall back as I'll have some money now and I can open up our own restaurant do that so I kinda followed efforts. I actually went to the University of Florida. Thought I was going to be like a sports agent. 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Yeah what was the choices in restaurants? Yeah looking back I would not have changed anything and the reason I decided to go to celery route. I was Multiple reasons like one. That's what I was trained and and I was a professional chef and I wanted to follow suit with some of the greatest chefs in the world. Because I actually you know when I left culinary school I went to go work for some of the best chefs in the world. Best in the world I trained to become a professional chef. Fine tuned in the world of French cuisine Italian cuisine and and learn to get my own spin on what my classic training was Until Lori was kind of like the steppingstone for me to shine as a chef and what I wanted to avoid with Solorio or any restaurant that is open was being pigeonholed to be. Oh that black chef or yeah he was gonNA open up that black restaurant because gas typical and we kind of fall into that basket as chefs of color that we are only going to be cooking food that we grew up on our what we familiar. Which is nothing wrong with that. Because that's where Jimmy became about But I wanted to kind of flex my muscles For the Culinary World. Show like I can cook next to the best chefs in the world. I have one of the best restaurants in the city I am chef of color but I am not actually only cooking food of color Or from my ancestors And I I think it worked out it worked. Well Yeah but I find it interesting too because the June baby to me is I like food is a crumbs to pass crumbs tour our ancestors crumbs pillow talk about the souls of the pots and all these different things leftover for my answers that we don't know about like the Collard Greens chicken. All these routes these jams that our ancestors brought on those ships any sense of who we are connection to our cultures connection to our identity and and for you to have a a restaurant and been able to bring up the roots of slavery in the history of being oppressed through with. Phou but make into something so sophisticated. I really think is beautiful in his art. Like what made you choose the way that you word it to me. You and 'cause I've noticed in your restaurant is a lot of white people to cut restaurants and our say seventy five percent eating a chicken wing. Some hot yeah I mean I mean maybe was a adventure and I don't know like it it it. It came to me organically I. I mean it's it's a long story in a sense but I'll try to summarize it like as I'm running. Salarmy restaurant. receiving awards being noticed. You know for for what I do in all the things that that makes a Lotta Great. I was realizing that you know there are so many now. New Cool southern restaurants popping up around the country and they're getting all these praises. Southern food is the new movement is trendy so cool and I was looking at the landscape and all the other people that were running. These restaurants cool new trendy southern restaurants and all of them were white male chefs and honestly like touch my heart and my soul. And I'm like this is sad because like no one is able and no one has been able to truly till our store my store to store that. I grew up the story that I kind of walked away from when I opened up celery. And you know I it it it. It touched me in the sense that I I knew that I had a platform which Lara to now speak my mind. Speak my soul and be able to put all that on paper in the form of a menu that actually represents me and my ancestors and I was kind of like the birth of June baby that I wanted to cook the foods and share foods My mom my grandmother my ancestors those Collard Greens. Those yams ourselves on those offcuts. All those awful the pig ears and things of that nature With no shame and I tell people all the time like I put on a horse blinders and I said I'm going to cook my food. I put Chitlins online. You know how many Orleans that's how to white folks so I put a chilling and actually had to explain it to a lot of people what it was and what it is and you know those who knew Chitlins they were like are you serious. You put shuttling menu and I'm like yeah because this is the food that I grew up on this. This is what June baby is. This June baby is June babies named after my dad and my dad loved Chitlins. He locks tells You know it's it's. It's the foods that my grandmother could deliver onions. The Fried Chicken I can't cook the fried chicken away. My Grandmother Cook there. But I'm doing my best. The represent who she is through my food and I just knew it was my mission and my purpose to actually represent then And NFL good food. Also it's like you think about your ancestry and you go through the genealogy and you literally are coming through food though so like. We were talking about earlier like pots having souls but recipes. Have that to me. You know like obviously don't but they do they have some sort of yes. It's something that comes through with food that are passed on from generation. They have these stories that are within your food inside. I think we went to June baby with Michael's parents for the first time and You know it's like a southern food is like okay what are they going to say? Michael's mailings from the South But it was beautiful because it was familiar. But you put this spin on it you know and it's highlighting those foods that you know people know of but haven't had an I think you are bringing different people white people with different people that haven't had soul food have been had. Southern food had food in a certain type of way. You know to really highlighted. I love what you didn't at restaurant also to like what you think about When you think about slavery think about these things is not like things to be proud of things that can carry over from them. Mr Traumas been carried over the different things as being carried over but food is something that we were. Who's our history saying? We would have cooks in a kitchen. We wouldn't want preparing the food and so to be able to to take that and make that into something sophisticated. I think that's really important because I like food is something that we have lost. Our we lost our heritage and being able to do that like you said like now. The chefs is dominated by white males. But it's like we've spent hundreds of years being a show for American integrated the president's back so why now are not being accepted inside the run before they wouldn't want his preferred preparing in? Stick is really. It's I think it's important that you that you doing his restaurant and at you even June baby because like Guinness South like people to understand nicknames like people get their Muslim praises nicknamed my cousin then K. And I got one baby. Why can't knock you you earn those names? I'm glad you guys touched that because like you know people often forget may not even know like you know. African American Africans were the foundation of American cuisine. We were cooking in the big house and we also was cooking for our own families In the slave quarters and you talking about cooking for some of the most esteemed dignitaries in the world coming over to to shake hands in and make money off the backs of slaves In these big houses with these elaborate dinners and guess who was cooking those dinners. I guess training these White slave owners how to cook a Alpi or or a sweet potato pie which they didn't turn into Pumpkin Pie. You know so you know like we we we we. We often forget that. And it's it's our job now to teach that history lesson and appreciate the good in the battle of ood slavery and the slave foods and survival foods and the southern food like for me that is the foundation of American cuisine and we need to honor and respect that and appreciate it and in no about it so thank you for recognising that too. Were you fearful cuisine that you're about to to do with June baby or slower? Were you ever afraid that you will be accepted in the area that you were in Seattle. Because I feel like as a chef like sometimes I feel like you. I feel like as a chef. You WanNa break the bear not to be just a black shape up to be a chef. That can do this. Did you feel the in the area that you are a threat that the bonus in how you're attacking? Did you think that it'll be so accepted? The way that it has been had minor worries but and I put on my headphones and put on that bonecrusher song I ain't never scared nell scale And that was kind of like the Horse Bond. It's like I actually didn't give a damn what anyone thought. That's what I'm talking and had to give opinion about. We actually have people walk into the restaurant when we first opened and they thought it was going to be a meat plus three Kinda southern restaurant for thirteen ninety nine. You're going to get you. Know your spoonful of Lima beans and his macaroni and cheese. In your deep fried overcooked pork chop that has some gravy on top and then wasn't GonNa be that I I am a professionally trained chef from the south and I wanted to put my touch on southern food and showed it I can cook Chitlins and also can give you the best mother fried pork chop you can ever have and also teach you how to Cook oxtail so I have to ask so I have to master this oxtail because I love oxtail I just gotTa figure out I only want. Jemaine grow as a as a chef. You've grown as a father like how is your son right now. He's five going on six in March. You you help your son to anything at this point right because I feel like sometimes in this world when you when you got. They want you to play sports. There's wants to do this and now you've got your desk chef so I feel like this is open to so much. How do you deal with his identity in like what are you? What are the things you do to help you son such a early age? Well I mean the biggest thing for me is exposure. I'm I'm trying to give my son opportunities that I've never seen when I was a kid growing up in Saint Pete like the the opportunities that little black boys of color new. You better be playing baseball or football because your key out of out of Saint Pete It wasn't technically education. It wasn't like theater it wasn't You can become amazing surgeon or you know travel the world et CETERA. I'm I'm trying to expose my son to know that there's so much out here And I'm I'M GONNA do my best to expose you to give you experience in like a funny thing that I tell people when I opened up before. Open up psolaren before open June baby. My son was Salah who's one years old he was there for the signing of my business loans he was there for the signing of my lease he was there for you know almost every major meeting that I had. It wasn't because I wanted him there. Because I'm being a father and trying to be a businessman too but those are things that we're we as father and son are going to be able to cherish one day and talk about I traveled with my son to the best that I can when I can so that he can experience New York. I didn't go to New York until I was probably twenty seven years old or something of that nature. And that's crazy. You know my son is GonNa see so much more Had the age of By the time he six years old than what I saw before I was twenty And that's what is about because other other cultures are expecting a allowing their their family to experience so much more than what we do and we have to figure out how to get our kids out there and expose them them experiences So that so that we can have a competitive edge Moving forward and that's that's my mission. I WANNA teach him all about food. I want him to know how to be a public speaker. I want him to be able to write a speech. You know I want him to be able to stand up in the theater in Embiid Thespian as he wants to but also be able to catch a football and run. Pass everyone So yeah we'll be right back more to come after the break. Our interview with shop Jordan is just beautiful. We Love Chef Jordan and we love creating authentic conversation for you ought to listen to you every week as much as I love creating great content. 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So like when I was going through that entire experience somewhat of I was like. I'm going to block this. I'm GonNa Right all my journey down and so there's just like key words that just kind of kept coming up as I was writing this My experience there and that was kind of the birth of the pedia. I'm like I'm going to all of stuff and people aren't going to know what the Hell I'm talking about especially people in Seattle who may not have grown up in the south now not not experience. Some of the you know same same foods and experiences that I experienced And so I figure if I'm able to document this down before they actually come into my restaurant to experience it by going to my website and and hitting us They actually have a a heads up of what what they're about to experience. They have an understanding I didn't WanNa hit people in the restaurant with with so much history and knowledge. That like someone's crying at the table are filled. You know Oppressed or whatever. The case is But I want people to know what they're getting themselves into when they come to my caliber of southern restaurant It is a experience but I want you to have a good time. I want you to have appreciation. I want you to appreciate the the photos on the wall. Some of the artwork that we have in the hallway you know. I got some deep artwork in the hallway. You know it's slaves would with markings on their back in you know they're looking at you. There is a stair you take on New People from shadow walking a restaurant. I think Seattle I feel like Seattle. Feels like they're super liberal and the Internet. Nothing like that happened where they were. That didn't happen here but I think when they come in they see. They see reflection of themselves or they. Receive a reflection of America's America's history also even A. It's an educational piece. You think you're learning about it. Because you do. Think of the South. And you think of all so many clicks in dishes that come from there but you also. I love that you said you went to the farms. Because that's where he also started. You know we are. Where's the food coming from house? A grown how are the people that were on the Farms How did they these items? And they're also the botany signed but also you NATTA meat of a plant. You know we. We had a lot of African scientists. So resourceful and how you can use this plan in so many different ways and I think that's like a education people are going there and learning a lot. They learn a lot also to have to reflect on. The history of America has done and how far these people have come for a man to go through history of this to have this restaurant and to be able to have his ancestors look at him and him and his kitchen like look. I didn't came along with. Y'All used to be in bed now. This is something that people you know. They WANNA THEY WANNA stand in line for. I think that they want in the rain but because I feel like cooking and it's kind of like not like a thing that people we're living abilities are increased. Man is the talent that we need to teach our kids and we should not forget that I kind of go back to like my history. I was lucky enough because I had an interest in the food. My Mom and my grandmother Cook. My sister did not have any interest. She don't know the history of foods you don't know how to cook most of our food besides not GonNa Youtube or Instagram But she has a ton of questions and we are now missing the opportunity to spend a little at a time when our elders are grandparents. Whomever that were those cooks were those holders of the stories You know my my mom and my grandmother. They never talked about the food but we learned it the history through what we ate and I want to be able to pass that to my son. My son is going to know how to cook better than than probably me at a certain point in time in his life because like I'm GonNa Force them into the kitchen so like I think. Cooking is one of those talents. Are One of those acts that we have to treat just like any sports or plan instrument. Whatever the case is invest into Lou because food is something that we have to have every day to survive. We can't play an instrument every day to win every time. But I'M NOT GONNA lie. Sometimes I mess it up. It is what it is and I'm going to keep going she. I'm GONNA come through on the job in our girls like to cook also in so I think like I love that. You are a male African American. That cooks you know. And I think you're representing for the men but also how does that relate into professionally? Because I love cooking and I do love to buy cookbooks. Love to watch the Food Network shows and all these different new episodes that are coming out now. The cooking Competitions in so lot of the positions that are very high ranked. I always seem men but if I you know everyday cooking do the woman as you're climbing your ladder in going through your journey. How women play into the part of that. In the professional there was not a lot of women in the professional kitchen That's part of the issues that we're facing in this industry. There's a lot of people that have barriers in his women men of Color Women of Color We we face these barriers. And you know we were the backbones of of of you know food in American and we're the ones that have oppressed most these days So there wasn't a lot and now we are seeing a movement You know there. There are women chefs in this country. Now Win three-star Michelin Awards being recognized in some of the same publications as some of these godly men chefs that been around for a long time. So the media are taking notice We are as a society being more. Supportive I think media's the is the key because Without the media come into your restaurant supporting restaurant writing about you know when technically knows you outside of Your Restaurant. I want. I want them to appreciate me. Who What for WHO I am and not give me a thumbs up because like oh that meal was taken care of and so I can't name one media source that has ever received the free meal fronts talking about Because like appreciate if I had a bad night exit visit business especially here in Seattle and Spain like the Michelin Star. Don't they just had those things everywhere span you can say to? Every time I see a Michelin Star Restaurant. They've been pretty good. I understand they're not worth. It did not where I will avoid. Three-star Michelin Restaurant. I'm sorry guys out there But when I travel to to Europe and things of that nature I rather go to the two star or one star because those are the people are still in creating a hearty wholesome. Maybe historical meal. That is sizable. When you start mission to feed dropping a look cooking was how houses hostess cake does good to me a hostess. Thank you so much. Bring it like the small things you gotta on top. The topping comes out smoking and you got a chance us. I want to be fully you satisfied. I wonder if somebody who's as busy as you do. You find yourself having a hard time finding love because I feel like a lot of people are chasing success. I would say people who listen to our podcast. They might be super business and like can they still have love while having a business and being. Yeah there's Times that I question love Because like you know once you become successful why don't you want to know me? Who who are you? Do you want me for who I am like. Would you know me if I'm broke kind of thing And so yeah question love you know. I. I was in a long term. I was married before and was a long term relationship that I actually question too. So is it hard. Yes hard You know I'm I'm totally happy with the young lady that I'm with right now and I'm like ready to grow and be that Crock Pot and figure all of this out But that takes time. You know you have to get beat up a little bit. You have to make mistakes some. You had to turn the heat up and you also gotta turn it down you gotta figure out you know where to budding actually needs to beat allow to make it right for. Everyone knew lead. You like Colleague Kardashian someone Kardashians you still love and now you left wing. INSTAGRAM's our platform. You don't want the instinct. Clap Clap Clap. Look at that beautiful. Shot your own this. I mean but if you think about love now it is fashionable. It is Temporary because that's what we see in medial everything instagram. It's like it's like Jesus so as as a young society like they think that that's okay. Now you know I think about my mom medalla. They went through. Every goddamn thing you can think of. should have been divorced and probably should've ran away and everything but they were still together. And you don't see that anymore because like we we. We don't fight for relationships We we are now like accustomed to just like I guess I'm done. I'm gone and I experienced that too but at the same time. Like you know you. GotTa Find Your Happiness. You gotta find your joy but like this instant stuff has to go away because we can't filter through stuff anymore because we see instant think its relationship with food relationship with your children you know. Also that all comes into play like for us so obviously no we're big advocates for food and local healthy foods. Where's it being sores It's really important to me that I teach my daughters. You know where food is coming from. You know who who is making this like. Who's growing this food? Where's it coming from? And but also the relationship that I have with food and my children. What is your relationship that you have with like with food in general and food within your neighborhood because I know you do a lot of stuff for helping people earning. Yeah food like. What's the passion behind it? I'm a big advocate for food literacy especially for you You start with my son and then pass the message along to my guest. Come into my restaurant into the youth that I work with all the time. I'm with various organizations because I think the most important thing is is educating our minds so that we can actually have a palette that we can actually get the nutrients that we actually need and hamburgers and French. Fries and antiques. Aren't the only cert that we need to give our kids. That makes them smile. There's you know my son loves Broccoli. He loves carrots. He loves fennel. He goes to the garden that we have in front of celery and he starts teaching. Guess when they come in that. This is federal funds Colangelo this is Swiss cellist. Onions and it took me it amaze people because like a lot of adults that's correct and and and if we don't know that as adults how do we expect our kids to eat how we expect our kids to try something more than trying new just because Brussels sprouts a weird right now like try it again? 'cause it's GonNa be a little bit different and My relationship would food is it. It starts with youth started education it also starts with supporting the farmers and and locale Meyer restaurants. We support I would say seventy percent of our produce comes from within one hundred mile radius. Laurie Probably sixty percent comes from Jimmy southern restaurant so they are ingredients that we have to actually get driven in here and in Lucinda is probably eighty percent. My newest grain bar said to me you ended up getting on a plane and went to England and then went to Dallas. Listen just listen to my little grain bar and so we focused on ancient Pacific northwest. Has You know some of the most diverse and unique grains growing here in the country and a lot of these grains get pushed off to Iowa and everywhere else in China's Cetera. But we are at a grain. Bill we have all these ancient grains from iron corn to spell barley lentils. We got none gluten item so this is like a native submitted to native. Americans are huge Peace of the northwest some landscape from cuisine standpoint from from land agricultural center So yes and no We we are definitely influenced by some of the things native screw here And it is a part of the restaurant but it. It isn't a native restaurant it is It is a bar. It is a full service restaurant and our focus is grains and my Patriot team works out of there. So You know they`re. They're grinding their own flowers. And and and we make all the corn bread that comes out of Jim Baby We grind all the corn Lucinda. Make the corn bread. Better to go to to Jim Baby. So it's like it's a full circle like it brings all my restaurants together to make them more sustainable more unique in appreciative of grains And so yeah I'm I'm I'm definitely Working hard to make sure that like. I'm touching local marina supporting local farmers educating the youth all of it and all you know yeah what is history month mean to you. Like 'cause we we're extending our black history taking it. From from from February we make it always to march march fifteenth. Let's go on our little like what we would love to hear. What what does this mean to you as being a sheriff and doing all these different things? Now what does this mean to you for a by history? My means so many things to me I. I've been extremely active in black history for since I was a youth from like various Organizations have been in from Urban League. Come to the the Black Culture Society in my school to be issue vice-president abuse you in college to Being part of A black fraternity and becoming the president of my black fraternity so to be able to appreciate and share. The story of blacks really important for me. It's sad that we've got a short as much. I know we always say that but we are extending it and I'm doing. I'm doing my part now as a as a chef of color and I have a megaphone in the microphone to actually share that story where I have platforms on my social media that I'm talking about weekly amazing things in black history We just finished our soul of Seattle event. You missed it. You missed it. On February seventh. We had a big celebration of all the chefs of Color Seattle Abroad in ten ships. That are actually here in Seattle. That you may know may not know and we had a big old celebration. We party we dance we ate. We celebrated we raise money for the urban league and Ranier scholars So it's black. History is very important in the sense that if if I in other people like me aren't telling this story we allow someone else to tell our story. That may not be true anymore. And so it's very important for me to be here to tell my story the look deep in my own history and and find out the truth to because the history books that we read in elementary school and middle school may not necessarily be true. The way we're going to know that we do our history and we celebrate and share it. Yes I love that you gotta give our listeners a tip on something naked. Cook real easy. It takes about ten to fifteen minutes. Because I'm thinking oh I'll show speaking for Dustin Paulie Valentine's dish saying even though yeah show is coming after Valentine's or if somebody has a birthday was a good little thing that I could cook for her to make sure thing I'm a chef you know in the next year you know. So gimme Gimme an ingredient A Fish Tebas Day. Guber cut out the tim talking. You know saying I'm big the for me like the special part about any type of fish is actually a crispy skin Saw a Lotta Times. You're going to get a fish in hopefully as fresh not frozen. The there's a certain amount of mucus that's on that skin so naturally material entering scale scale fish and you know you've gotTA slouch slimy. So it's like you want to remove that time if you're going to actually theodore fish sere so scale that fish clean it up Fillet it and then put it on a nice hardy Napkin or even a towel that Y- that's very clean and let it sit in the fridge for our so once you ready to cook the fish you're gonNA use a knife and Kinda scrape that skin to remove off any excess film or water so that you got like a basically a bone dry skin of fish and when you get into Syria you WANNA season it right before you see. You don't WanNa season and then and walk away and watch them at this one please. The seasoning I was at a touch of sailing but the heart and I think a lot of people who are listening to this is seasoning. I think a hard thing because I can like a fish like a CBS. Like I don't know throughout some pepper. Is this how you put out a season? But things like the season and didn't go into the food and then get. Yeah Yeah I knew you typically have to be. American is an excellent way to do. It is hard to marinate a fish. And then try to see see series behind you you when you're going to like actually season a steak or a nice hardy piece of fish you're gonna you're gonNA actually season a lot a little bit more than what you actually think. I want because if you're seeing it in a pan some of that season is gonNA fall onto the Pan If you're basing it any or if you put any kind of liquid liquid is going to actually like you know absorb some of that that seasoning. So you're gonNA lose what's actually going inside of that fish or meat if it's a hard light roast Something like a leg of lamb or a big old beef. Chuck you can actually season in. Early Kinda marinate it Or just like salt curing in you know up up to like four to six hours in advance or even overnight and like marinated in red wine and an air maddox and things that nature embroil it and then and then in roasted off so something like you're oxtail is like I would see them on oxygen advance and let them sit. And kind of marinate. You marinate them an fool like water bath kind of medium oil and herbs and things of that nature or you can see them with salt and pepper lettuce it for a few hours so that that's salt kind of penetrates the internal portions of them rather than just the external because external and then you add it into a crock pot you water over at our stock over seasons back in that water also valuable information this week when we listen to the show make get us back because we the ones that got child jail where you going home cooking the sea bass and you use give shadow to me. And she was she that Christmas. Can you could be like damn baby cooked that. Sit on the shelf now. You you better take just WanNa say thank you so much for blessing us with your time your presence anytime. Come back and see me. We definitely need to imagine. So maybe you know what we'll come back and Michael Will Cook for me and you know over. You'll do refund live show in the restaurant. Blond Cookie Cook oxtail and Worship Air. Back to his nasty. Oh Ashville still paying for missing is Black Santa's but this is a blessing to be able to have you on again recalling here just to hear that you like the passion that you have behind food and the way that you father and son. I think it's just a complete circle to see not just as a show but as a man as a humanitarian distinct that you're doing So I just want to say thank you and I can't wait to go to Lucinda go about the LUPITA. Sit Down what am I? Don't ten years. Can you share one last time before religion go all the restaurants in order? Yeah so Solaire restaurant. My first restaurant Jim. Maybe restaurant southern restaurant the history the dialect the story and Lucinda my latest venture little grain bar serving some of the most unique and best cocktails in the city but also ancient grains Seattle. Go CHECK IT OUT. Come see please. That's it that's it that's the end. You don't have to listen to Michael Anymore. 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Top 10 Football GOAT's

"Fairplay in fair value. It's what playing william hill is all about putting a male it's replacement gumbo responsibly Hello and welcome to the ultimate top. Tens of sport being brought to you by promoter. It's me sue barker with a wonderful gio that is phil. Tufnell and matt dawson. Welcome lattes so sir how you doing very well guess which jumping chenille yes. It is. Don't say it's polyester more of a man's version would be smoking jacket very nice comfortable calm. Comfortable light y'all's both in hoodies by the way kids. Now the spalte. I've chosen for you. This time is football. And i want you to have the top. Ten goats said the greatest. Of all time they'll be a lot tenders world. Yes will a kite. Roy at couple of straight off the bat foyer. And then i. I wasn't ronaldo's don't be here. Which one not clump remodeled. He won the world cup though. Big fan i big wrong. When i was thinking of the other one school to loaded goals and cristiano cristiano renaldo gr- stool time. You just signed him in messy of being. well i think so just. I haven't even given a moment. But i mean i should imagine those two for just the battle doors. They've won championships have won cups. They've won and just oh. So from what i've seen with. I don't know has probably. How much does the world cup figuring this though what i think. You've probably got to one or at least being in the final. Something of a think probably critically not brunell did hasn't knows messy he mess. He's been to a final a waiting feature well no well then legends. Let yeah well. What do you think does cristiano is going to be in there. Yeah i mean it's halley. Mouna ronaldo and messi of our full the yet from my humble opinion. How could they not be in it. Yeah just give me give someone give me a reason why couldn't be in it. Yeah exactly. And i think renaldo as well i mean just resort round game seeing them. Actually we were on holiday in portugal and He harry about this we will. Whoa no offensive Check going swimming folks. caesar attractive women's. He was the only man doing that but made a opposite. While the state's got to say to you could just over there. Get his autograph. Could you fall. But now yes so he was able to. The size of the land is a big lump. Christiaan we must be about six two six three a finish. The of that was he. These speeder jin. Could you imagine we know how how rightly possessive. Top top of his wonderful wife. Could you imagine right now on an outdoor rossio with a few days. Well i'd like to hit owns version of this. Well i was. I was doing if you keep up the a holding fifty puzzles enough this game of these about boca cajal by doing so. I mean just with realm skill redoubt forbade free kicks headers taken on players and everything he's got in. There is a complete play. Completely your disagree with those two. i'll we all we. We sang halle maradonna dawson of the because of the same reasons. Yes well cops goes yeah. Legends was the game really as you say at the end of the decades that they've been the mind going through those times seven alien. Everyone knows pele de merode donor as well for things done gme of a very glad. That pele wasn't the poll looking at door women. It is gasoline so we'll see advertisement things you can go for with. Yeah that's a hard one to a just vote coming. So what about the okay. They'd so we pretty happy with day. Sorry just just sprung into monday. Will starting to flood intimate brian. Now for the man who actually had a sort of a trick or a skill named after him. Who's at kroth the croft turn. Cronin's hang ruling. Counci be i. Don't know enough about his stats. I mean he was dutch therefore never won. The world cup now must have a year on three european cups european cups who also niassa's yet three european cups in succession with ex indiana seventy seasons. Amy one trick nine after dorsey. Bit night you having the dourson. Reverse pa of you know domain. I think if if you ever managed to get a a move named off you or the film tufnel long barrier phil tufnell doubt in one golden dutch with the may cheese valid point is if we put a diversity knocked forever for kids. They wouldn't even know who he is but they will be practicing across turn. Yeah so we figure. Put a question mark on that. Because i think is going to be some many just flooding to me brian. At the moment you guys always used to move when you were doing the sprint finish. Wasn't it for another one the clinton's men and we would yeah clinton's men he. Dpma klinsman will come with me. Great all the great divan. Another dutch fellow. Just jump to mind. Law code van busted booth. You're doing the dutch bit root of coast route hermit all that all that mobile was at macy's was net pharoah's rude van bastin us about voice nice skins. It must have been another van something. What about goalkeepers do you think any goalkeepers with top ten wome father always used to say live. Yes shoot the russia axes now only recently and not because i was spending an hour with you guys but because my son my six year old son made a save in the garden and said yeah just like yashin would you say what is he said yes. She was cyber wars side. I'm going on sore on a youtube clip and i was going through football clips and then watched it or whether you you have seen any of those types of claims he was unbelievable. Would be in the premier league now really. He was phenomenal so athletic. A not old school athletic. He was what looked way ahead of his time was he wearing a knitwear polo neck. Jumper east used by the black black salt yet. Black socks black shorts black shirt. Think the could into the black panther dig a hole above. We'll golden banks. Subway must be a national. Surely banks. Golden us michael core always nascent not one four gianluca booth full denies off folk-rock. Wow you out. Those goalkeepers who we sign was was the greatest aval of them. I think booth phone the most mommy. That's i think. I think that we actually went when real madrid to in sixty the. I'm not sure it was good on tempted to put the ashy in dot or blessed. We always said life ashes whenever a goalkeeper came up life. Yashin he was so so far ahead of any kepa in of his time. Whereas you would always you be arguing with you. In the in the present era it'd be all between schmolly cool or boo fallen by. He was miles ahead of his time. Also probably didn't help keep keeping close. Can you imagine do much with a plea gilkey. You could stop them for the longevity. To 'cause four wells habsi played full scope. we're looking for a stopper. He's copy with his shout while you may change your mind when you you know. But at least he's he's on the list for now. Yes there is a pitch off. We will change lines and how eastern thinking about what might had used to say. What about stanley. Matthews service that matthews. I think well it wasn't in the world cup team is a bit like pele. Isn't it because you haven't seen as much in the games went telebras much as course got another one got. I'm just gonna come in. And they might so much but he did we man united retard when he was what twenty four twenty five which is just absolutely unbelievable. Didn't they didn't. They said that he was the greatest plan. Never to play in a world cup was it. Did he play plan world cup. Yeah i think he was fairly sure he was voted. The best plan never to have played in a world cup. Gonna apple named after a coke a worth going into naming and yeah just like cristiano ronaldo. He's going apple. ultimately look suffers. Tevi delpy it wasn't very after he was cristiano. Will george best probably going to be in there as knee don't go. He's got to be on that list. You'll be on your short list and you can always. Yeah change voice about so keeping that sort of more. Traditional mid nineties made nineties mid nineteenth century eusebio nine hundred twentieth century since nineteen hundreds if scrooge screw eusebio will they say eusebio again. See black and white footage of portugal. When i'm ben fica think the ansi was yes there again. I'm just going back going back in that. I'm going back to what we dad said. And he said he was a bit spanish out. What are we talking about that. Tapie chilton as well as we bobi johnson. Bobby just to the hacker. Being bobby shower sweep where they at a heck off. You've lap welby. Joe bananas mole. Well couldn't bobby more back. They say that will be. Mo- is one of the best center. Offs central defenders. Paper to devastate ayman petty. That was at quite shocked. Picture wasn't aware of him. In ten les unites shaking hands at the of the mexico will couple something and swapping jersey's only seventy and pele comes up even wants to give you a unanimity gonna be decent coming up with some very good reasons why they should be on the list there. They've got turned an apple and they've exchange to show. You're just what listed this can. We talk about football for good at giving things away a look very big only stats ago. What motion does go on in mohawk an so far account disagree. But then i'm going to rattle i've got out the dan. Yes beckenbauer this dana. Yes run yes. Zico seek jose socrates. We haven't even gone into sort of light the italians or the early dot. Co roberto bad. Call nine franco parisi the razi or kick you to death with me ice here on rage aerial aerial res gun us. How can i forget you. Dennis bergkamp these. Perhaps how many we we gotta get sued. Say's it's good luck. Just should we on the formation because otherwise we have load a kuzina goalkeeper of rice so luck ten maintain. Yes we talked to. Tame still go out of left bat roberto carlos carlos that fantastic freaking but now dini was left back. I'm gonna go for mel dany left-back okay. Yeah yeah mel deane malini. Left-back change your mind central defenders. Yes the race. But bobby moore bobby mall will be more. Come bobby mole. yeah yeah. Pele described him as the best defender yet faced. Well they go. That's that's not such a big some recommendations sues just thrown that one out there yes. I'm surprised students back in the day when always have with. La dropped out and said but we must see you had the finest had that's where it goes into fantasy issey beret z. There for another said ralph so Maldini so we got full open. Now bobby hall. Sorry yeah maldin on the left phobe mole. Another great center are thinking about beckenbauer. Ron's becca cow got left. Becker ballot to be got kaiser. He was called to kaiser was evil. What does that leave. Actually king so beckanbauer. But i suppose guys by doing a team and i know you said you will. You will get a make eleven ten. How you're going to split the strikers who you going to say mrs out being on the list of one of the greatest of all time because you've got a very impressive fraud kyw awry much staff. Bae debate the best law. All we can just ditch some of the defenders yet because no almost wants to be a right back. You know econ economy wig as being the greatest players in the world you own allowed to goals jamie. Carragher said they were wants to be gary neville. Thank you or whatever it might be easier that Just go for the app. So the belts amp as far as the the frontline goes if we played a a a a two four four. We could always go to four one three four five here. We have the what's what. What was that new position to have upfront. Not a nine or nine folks nine. A false narratives could beat a false nine. I got no idea of folks ninety s. We'll be back after this short break. Fairplay in fair value. It's what playing william hill is all about. It's replacement gumbo responsibly. Let's let's get a few we did so we gotta go. We happy with renowned those cristiana. Yes yes see with messy. Yes ally pele maradonna maradona roy. Zubin is off four absolute peltz's and sedan. You add it on to add on zimet digs at that. So that's five cross yellow cross whereas down the left wing. Well we was. Yes or lucky mostly so left. Midfield was named pushing forward Left wing midfield. We have a look at midfield stormzy. He was very well respected. Very rose back. No ginger ninja always very well respected acidity. Someone else who could get in. That made failed. Lofa metaxas oh ya ya. Yeah the the us would have. It would champions legs well cups. It was a world class. Dennis wise when he a yeah but is international and chelsea wimbledon arrest. But a lotta matab that. Oh there's another one. If you if gulf particularly explain this if this particular phrasing gulf that you'll dave after his diesen is nasty five. Follow my wife. Slag oh tapas. I call give you daddy's wise that well the spanish midfielder savvy savvy. How can you can't kako the other one across that midfield salvi Civil in the esta en esta favor. Part that the ticky tacky stuff went to take your t tacky ticky tacky. But that's when no one could be pass alone. Wasn't that parcel owner just ruled the world. Oh what about slats slat. Abrahim each This is this is to. Rg com gets in this. You've got to we. We've we're gonna ditch off the team. I'd area is going to go score as distinctly beckham in. I woke loss of crossing the ball. Free kicks superhuman. Being beautiful is la. I mean just what a man by fragrance cahoots. Oh go another bus is another one may shovel platini. Goodness i feel looking for someone into midfielder. He was locker midfield when he said was food. Centerfold she was not patsy. The before able would've allowed a stuff though on three bergkamp wayne rooney white route england's top. She's trying to think of england. Gary you're good luck with that decision. Oughta leave definitely five. So that's you've gone zidan rinaldo cristiana messy pele and maradona. So you've got the likes of beckenbauer. Badger bobby charlton george best to jolt. Go get jones best in that. George basket arcadian. Go get jobs best. I think you task for georgia's in just about new and skill ibrahimovic bother revenue same. Ta all ibrahimovic vich. That's a good comparison. I think i'm gonna go with on rate as anything to do with the fact that you're going is in the love jerry. He was the first blow who i sort of and saw play football. Just any just didn't seem to run. Did he just floated pass. Players did me when he first came to the premier league. I mean he was just he was just a sight to behold it was something completely different. Each just used to take on about five or six players ghost pasta. Finish what you would give what you give for sierra nri or dennis bergkamp right now as they go those gone i think on re so we got best in there. So yeah can't yes you have so you've causes ronaldinho still haven't mentioned the renaldo the dodgy yeah released but he's probably gonna there as well as neighborhood while will cups games probably won two world cups his knee it was in the fondly ninety. A little cut bronze ninety four winner before when i'm gone everything at club. Level rows ni o off got another one fee. Gown lewis fake. He think he's good enough for that. Trump's nope he's got cloudy. Portugal whipped the outdated lewis. He's nightclub around the pole around algal but they ruled the nothing. Did that wanted that night. Where do away. I'm just stepping out. Non power you just stay now. The company mates. You have a little boy phil We're gonna go. I'm going to the action yet. Yeah yes and i think. He actually thoroughly deserves irritate era. Not video he was insanely good. Okay so that's seven deficits. Yeah should best dom rinaldo messy late maradona. And the other argentinians fat era. The not real campus supposedly. They didn't need anyone else of the diego. Did not really valentino rossi. They use locking so fast down the inside. He was whoa clubs lows other. It was another lasi lewis hamilton who he vanity someone else. E not bad. Gio paolo rossi. Paolo paolo rossi postulate on roy innis. No you haven't is he gonna stick out for cross. Won't shelton bobby charlton. Yeah go bobi channel. We don't go an englishman and too but we moan you've got the ashen best sedan. Ronaldo messi pele maradona so always sign that. Bobby charlton is the best imply it. Yeah so you i would. I would agree not aspect to be involved in this. But i i think would agree because Just so many memorable goals. I mean do. Wasn't there some story about if you went into the rainforest your puppy jolt and as soon as they see football. Everyone sort of everybody knew. Bobby charlton the more than bobby moore thing he was. Yeah still have stir killing asked good enough for me if you if you recognizable in a rainforest good have make anybody a new football. What now will beckham ballot about. I think all as a mall bow definitely sees a rolls royce role. Yes that's fate you've got eight then. He ashen best sedan. Rinaldo messy pele. Maradona beckenbauer kreutzmann sheltered. In the other list. At the moment you go maybe platini fan pastern you save you. Toss mel dini. Mario may hula. Retirees saw need help with it is is if we do need people to send you some messages sue in this pine it is just to be in your in your opinion though because him from from your memories right. Cheerio marie than for me. I'm ahead of croix from shelton. Nah bobby charlton. We've job. we're lucky in shelton in los angeles. which is the best. England footballer ever. Yeah i think he's gonna go in. Yeah look nine arranged. dose between croix ibrahimovic. Chief sent mentioned only cam analysis though the other rinaldo. I'll save us on. Ray aniline renaldo who we have in between the that sort of through if you combo's on ray over now die off can out guy from ray so what was another on rayo kroth on rio. I'd have off everyone across old alone. Now he's got the cowboys town and we do. We've taught sales advocate a little bit but on rate was just a beauty. Beautiful thing to watch. Yeah i'll be upset with Onery or platini. Who's the best french plan. Dini romario ronaldinho. I think tweet onery and croix fund. You know things on guide on both of khimik sub to your dose. If i'm going to make a decision if you're telling me. I've got to make a decision between tehran. Nri johan Purely because i've i've seen more of tyrian ry of the new highlights of ever seen one thing of johann amazing. Turn but let's go jerry. Okay the one. I didn't mention one. Didn't mention with bobby moore. Who's not in any the one that didn't mention to you. You're getting on well. It's the six players isn't it. It's the center forwards. It's the bit field players that you remember. Isn't it enough. You remember the old. Bob dole tackle. Have you said that it was the best central defenders ever played along with it from that law. I know you've got ten. Yeah if you put onery is your last one for you. You throw bobby moore out. But it's just that. I was reading out all the other names that you've come up with the one. I forgot to mention. With bobby moore. So it's only fair that. I remind you of the other names that you mentioned carlson alison. I'm happy with that. said what. What's your favorite onery. men memory. Being a gun is supported in of the gore. Man united when he took you on the chest swivelled and then sort of from outside the. It your box to French goalkeeper of papa boxes. Yeah that was a great of memory of the that at first memory of when i think it came from you didn't he to all snow and he was played on the way he just used to flow. Paul's people you not These will cost effective as it was just doing for place in a drop of the shoulder. Gone the mainly was just phenomenal in it was it was one of those plays matt the day on a saturday night. You hoping that there was going to be an on re goal that you could watch it because you knew it was going to be special when you saw him get the ball in play or his eagerness he was he can light up. Couldn't they just to rub twice as fast as everyone else people. These result law international defenders. He was just. It was just pushed policy but just Pasta bananas is if they were standing. Still gripe finishes took a bit of time getting these finishing going but once you go. He's finishing properly speed fantastic. We also have the ones you love watching growing up the new to who will then what my also i would have been liam brady those guys you know made from world cups or something holding you. Wanna powder rossi. Yeah okay. not not in. The italian saw outdoors was a little bit bill round kicking everyone in the air and that he acted away and score in one or two goals. Wasn't it for me. In the world cup's it was the dutch It was the dutch total football. Wasn't it knows those of times. And of course. United coach elena will. We forgot sweet for guilt back. Gaza gaza gazza fabulous. Iona these call. Eight was unstoppable. Gas wasn't a. Did you take else believable talent. You'll selection then. Do you think. I mean it's it's never going to be perfect. Because the opinion. I think to get to an agreement of that ten you know. I'm happy to argue every case there. Think a won miss for maize that we can't squeeze him in his yellen course the consequences if you have well now beckham beckham by not not not the expensive hours of voice. And you're in. You're happy with. Because i mean he was just a legend listening. Yeah we go out liam on this if a six year old in two thousand one knows actually live is going wrong. Rather they're your boise loves it. S e yeah. Yeah it'll be older speak. yes you see them. Basketball's like this happy with that. Yeah i think with you doors if anyone wants to have a song about that or be willing to stand up and fight mckay so that so you come up with ten but now the bad news if you go to rank him ten to do that which is really difficult now. We mentioned at the top. And and what are your thoughts on. Whether a player hasn't won the world cup. How much does drain so white sometimes. Obviously team that you play in because Put cristiano renaldo properly for goals scored. What have you right up there but never won the will cup. So you know. Sometimes george best Are you saying that they do. They do need to be not to be in the top ten. You're gonna. You're not going to rank the jewish fest. Probably didn't even win. The world did manage to get to awoke. Say he was one of the best room reserved for bait. But surely you can surely the has to be that has to be a differentiator. It's that close and yet someone has won the world cup as a good players in all sports that have one will come mainly. Because it's game if it's a if it was an individual's game george westwood one many bowl cups. If displayed on his own against one other fellow you know what i mean he would want to know what i'm saying and rinaldo scored one hundred and two goals for portugal and out of eight hundred eighty one club games. He scored six hundred sixty. That's goals obscene amount. Not so where. He put an run out on the things that he's like. He's copious cameras. Me what just because he has a will come on. Are you looking at looking at be. Funny that dose across the screen there. You've rinku little hustle. One explains just thinking that these playas these players have. I mean you want to say down. Oh down who is but it's not just the world cup is down. Has one laliga as european cups. Probably european champions your european cup. Yeah euro ninety four zero nine nine hundred the balance doors so alive on tracks. The balance doors for individual sedan is the example. That i'm gonna give you where he has won everything in the game but he hasn't scored as many goals. Yeah i'd let him win a world cup count for a couple of yes. She doesn't scored many goals. That's because he's not supposed to. I don't know quite how you want to rank of then on. I feel that you just ranked going on emotion than i'm going on emotion as when stats because they will be as never want everything virtually ball. Whoa cops if they perhaps winning aside the you know perhaps could win a world cup and it takes more than one guy to win a woke up. Doesn't it okay. Then is another question it we we put pele in the one as one of the greatest spools. Yes person people all the time. So how can he not be number. Well the only person i think you could could trump. He's donna but then why wasn't he in in the grace people 'maradona we did. They resolve the himal- maradonna. We went for dinner. And i think when we were doing graceful time it was also what they brought to the game and what they've left in the game and all that we know there was season whereas this is purely on who who is the greatest footballer of all time. So you could. Yeah i think also perhaps pelly woozy club. Because of africa donny. Palley panic fairly food. Middlesboro woody late. It was a business. I'll we'll get skin. You're asking some tough questions here. So may rank will go on and let's have a status. It join ranked that law messy muck was he was not six ballon. Dole's is now the renowned lose full. I mean that's incredible many with these head though did he. Messy companies getting knocked down scoring of looking for the over l. packets. So you've got pele and maradona at the top. One one and two necessarily. Let's off my mom. I'm throwing out that pele's worn. I'm not spent marrow. Donor is to die. Okay but i'll say let's go pele one it high highlight the had. No messy our zoo in. Would you revenue. Sabes dan on missy. I think i think for whoa for for the big games ago. Gordon have it of happy with that. I know so. Anyone headbutts the referee. Not let you should do it. There's no doubt valona by the referee. Everyone headbutts live and then just walks off. Was that in the phone. Yeah yeah anyone who had spot so just doesn't even bother arguing rafters walks off a very naughty but yeah memorable Was ever an actually walks off the world cup in the those will cut off late on. That's it as he walks off. And just what the criteria writing. They lost south. Tonight did was sick so essentially if they six ninety eight i was at that game nausea with added that athlete and we go up in the morning where this jet took slot. Twenty of us So alex ferguson prince naseem who's not same turned up at the hotel where we met Heathrow apple in a rolls royce and We were sort of all in the foyer. Daley thompson was there. In the tracksuit all die started because aj princess turned up. Drove his own rolls royce parked outside. Also jerry guscott was that improperly drop in all sorts as princess. Ain't walk towards as jerry. Guscott said are now nice. Be careful leave it. Leave it just there go in on a minibus to plant. Don't dodgers leave it there. You're gonna have to get in the car park. You'll get a ticket and has to read to jerry. Buss go with a top. Give a shit about ticket. Just walk not enough about ticket tie at the hawk. The the runway at it. Yeah was a good day. That was when ronaldo the played sick. That's right there was a lot of who are about actually. Yeah whether he's gonna play of whether even hey that's right. It was something guy before. That's right anyway anyway. Would pele's dedom- so you've got best renaldo Missy beckenbauer maradona charlton Maradona's call beats hall three. I think it's called the headline that adobe annette just type it from them. While ronaldo ronaldo figure got to put maradona's second dose of do not thing put one will cut when he was eighty. Five fees conquers play football. That's though of wondering jump so high shelter for the of a came back. Won the world cup me so it might come back a world cup ninety. They lost to the final ninety. Four is when he went up to the camera need is is. It's on sticks. It was properly office in one thousand six mexico. I'm just saying for old talk. Griots pele's sedan maradona. You're happy toughest is happy. Toughest ones married. Don't allow i'm not hanging out for it that much. I'm happy with that three own right. Well two three okay. we're now so full messy five bucks. Best onery. They're messy five. Perhaps best six. You can always change it. Yeah gordon best. Six so yes Beckenbauer chilton on shelton they cite. The college was the knots. Eyesight like site beckham. Was the knots. Say the kaiser was the nas. Like i he just laid Token rolls royces cruise about sweeping up everything. It was a great leader. Was the cat said. Ill most change german. Football around didn as sort of like was the star of Germany era and the all star. That's that if you've taken if you've taken his name his nationality. Why thought you'd be talking about bobby. More wow the uneven. Might the tendency new charnel channel. Becca bow does not got bobi. Shell just bauman just for show. Shelton chow seven beckenbauer join. I think only yes you know. I think yes. It's gonna be above own rate now. Did yes you win the world cup. Ooh new nicknamed the black spider or black has russia would be if you're keep us. Oh so he's not won. The world cup european door. He was in the balance doll. Drizzy in welcome in world cup. Sixty six played four matches conceded no goals so in three world cups. He didn't concede an injury. Or is that statler. He didn't score. The score is more likely well. We're splitting hairs phenomenon. Saved over one hundred and fifty penalty kicks de more than any other goalie. Kept over two hundred and seventy clean sheets in his career or sponsors stock goes advice. Yeah he's properly after how we might have to be added nine onery soaps. Yes on the top pele zidan. Maradona renaldo missing. Best shelton's beckham ballot yesterday and ornery. Gla simple that's what stanford standpoint as you say. There's a few floats as best of's of mataya sees of latsis dot said run out does. Yeah that's not bad. 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5: Faith, Family and Justice

Mouthpeace with Michael Bennett & Pele Bennett

55:30 min | 1 year ago

5: Faith, Family and Justice

"You wake up wake up. Wake Up. Wake Up. I said. Wake Up. Wake up you're listening to mouthpiece Michael Bennett and Pele Benny so before. We get started today. Michael and I are both excited about today's episode for this. The last official week of Black History Month. We have a very special guest. Dr Eddie God. He is chair of the African American Studies Department at Princeton University. We've also got a fitting new sponsor for mouthpiece this week who I'm super duper excited about and it is also the perfect time to mention it which is audible where you can listen to basically any any book. I absolutely love listening to audio books. And it's a daily thing I do if you all aren't on audible yet you're missing out. Dr Eddie. Lots books are also inaudible arrogance from last week. Freeway Rick Ross is on audible in while you're there you can also get. Michael's book to things that make white people uncomfortable. You really love all your books. That's all I ever hear in the car. 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Today we about to talk to a great guest. Dr declawed and we're kind of talking about religion in America is so many different types of religion and the role that religion plays in society. You grew up in The LDS church. Which is different. From where I grew up in a Baptist church but which is a big question because we have three children so people do ask us knowing that both sides of our families are rooted within the Church So they always want to know. How does that work in our household? Do we have aside. Do we how we communicate with. Our children religiously applicable taxes. Like you pay your taxes. It's like you pay different levels of taxes but all the taxes go to the same place as kind of feel about religion and a little bit of food that we're all praying but prayer in different banner using the King James Version on this version. But mostly we all praying to God. I thought religion has changed a lot since we grew up in America or generale especially in school because I remember in school like a prayer was like the first thing that we did like before we started school. I don't really. Yeah oh well. What do you mean like before you die because usually Angela? Yeah the pledge of Allegiance. Were sounds crazy of really. Think about what we're doing. It's how we look also extending in a classroom of twenty kids or people that people took a picture of the Communist. She like Boston in tension. I pledge allegiance to the flag. Nice model learn so young you dislike it just comes out so easily like you're not even thinking of what these words mean the history of it like you don't really know what you're doing is just an act the pledge of allegiance to your yourself up you sign the very. But that's why that's that's where they start breeding nationalism and I think at the beginning of that level you breeden issue but now it is very interesting though because religion is very something that a lot of couples have to deal with. Where especially in the way of America's chain like you really could be a baptist? Who's married to a Hindu lady had to decide? How would you how you going to raise your family and that is I think it's up to the couple? It is up to the standard of how you do it. I don't think so. Can you do both you could do wine? I think personally that you put both in front of your children is kind of like when he let them when you divorced you. Put the baby at the back with the baby at the vet and the baby until the baby run across the parent baby goes to and that's how I feel about religion. Whichever person whichever when they're driven to which they feel that there's no I do think that as a parent responsibility is not necessary to lead them direction but to lead them with all the information so let them know both sides all the information they have questions make sure you answer them thoughtfully and then let them you know as they get older to decide which they feel best fits them true but you but I remember the first time he went to my church though you were shocked and I was shocked the first of all church my son Yeah us a lot going on here we went to the southwest when we're together you log on like the LDS church is different now a shock to really really professionally here like I I'm with the pillar church everybody will just new house I was everybody had little Bob haircuts the daily long ring they would nitny stuff. I was like okay but like everybody was nice though the Mormon Church. Everybody's Nice duplicate the Chick-fil-a me those experts. You need as much of which is just an chick-fil-a the never met him. You're not mad. You be her all day serving waffle fries. He's clearly sauce and Polynesia sauce right now but I do think that we both bring different aspects of both sides to our children and then it's kind of when my parents are in town. They'll take the kids with them to church. Your parents are in town. I don't even think it has to be either or though no no people who like to different types of teams all of the Lakers. That's why that's why. What if your child doesn't pick either of them and I think that's where it comes within the home to teach them of both sides but I think it's okay when your child is like asking questions another religion because his curiosity all you want to do is learn and know you know. And I feel like that's where the growth will come when they start to bring it within and they're just comparing and and that's when you're having conversations with them you know on different thoughts or different things they've heard I don't think I think should be open minded today. We're talking to Dr Ed Block. The chair of the Department of African American Studies and the professor of religion in Prison University about his expertise in black politics religion and changes society in the role of black athletes but also all athletes play in the political climate of America. So is it true that you left home to attend? Morehouse go to college. This sixteen those Kinda young sixteen. I was still you know running through the fields and you're busy lifting engines and things like that right now. No no yeah I did. I left home and went to Morehouse at sixteen. Had A What they call an early admit program that they started as a result of The World War I think it was World War Two when a lot of black men had gone off to fight in the war and so they started admitting younger students. And so Martin Luther King Junior for example was an early admit maynard. Jackson was an early advocate. So it's an August line of folks who came through that program so it was It was really interesting. I was running away from home but I ran around the college instead of into the streets. I'm from Louisiana and gear. I'm not GonNa talk about it by Louisiana Mississippi but they have the history and is not as always has always been a pretty history as and always been something people can really be proud of it. Sometimes you know but what was it like growing up in Mississippi like were you eager to enter a place like morehouse to pursue. Something could change the way you grew up. I'm from a town. Called Moss. Point and named after the Mazda dangled from Magnolia trees and it's called the river city as its nickname and So it's really beautiful but most point is majority. Black is about seventy percent black It's the labor force for the town right next to it. Pascagoula Mississippi. We're Trent the former senator. Trent Lott's from so I grew up in an environment that was it wasn't segregated in any formal sense but there was kinda facto segregation and interesting sorts of ways and and because. I was involved in politics at a young age. I was crossing kind of racial lines very interesting sorts of ways. That a good friend of mine. She was a neighbor down the street. Who who went on to become an endowed professor of law at the University of Southern California told me that she remembers me and her little brother going off to boys state and hearing some white woman saying that the problem with me Eddie was that I didn't know my place and it has something to do. I didn't know my place and that has something to do with my dad. My Dad how can I put this? My Dad didn't suffer white folks easily and you know just to be honest you know when we moved into a postman and he had an opportunity to he knew. He hasn't precarious kids and for coaches kids rather and he moved us into this neighborhood. I think we would third black family to move in the neighborhood and somebody shot out a back window. My Dad responded with his twelve gauge and blew off the limb of a tree and said shoot back again. I mean he was not a man who allowed anybody to diminish him so I grew up in an environment where there was a sense of you. Stand up for who you are. You'd be proud of who you are and I grew up in an environment that was basically black. You know fish fries on Fridays. You Know Brown liquor you know. I mean is it was the blues listening to bb King. Bobby Blue Bland. At least the folks were. It was a nurturing environment for me and my sister graduated Valedictorian of our high school and went off to Spelman and then came back home and said you act like you to white. You need to come to. Morehouse and I said I. I WanNa get away from daddy anyway so you know. It was so funny though like as an athlete like sometimes growing up is like we'd never really heard about like the black colleges as far as sports and it's funny because there's so many great black. African American players who went to African American schools that we just didn't know the history of that in like it's like the first thing that came to us was a tech stadium or you know Lsu or Alabama like it wasn't like go to Morehouse or go to all these different places and it was just which I just find it interesting and I always think to myself like if I didn't play sports will have changed that experience of Tom. Yeah you know a lot of a lot of folks. I mean you know when I was growing up you know people were so proud of Walter. Payton who I think. He went to Jackson State Doug Williams went to grandma and I think and so you know there's a pure time where these predominantly white institutions weren't available to us. I remember growing you know when I was in high school bear Bryant walking into cafeteria. 'cause we had at the time we had a powerhouse. High School football team. You know so wisely brothers. So Otis wisely played with the Washington redskins. Jorge Juan's Lee who played with the Baltimore Colts Nathan wisely who played with the Tampa. Bay buccaneers all of them came out of high school. We were kind of like a farm team for Mississippi State and Ole Miss. And then those who didn't go there ended up going to Jackson State. Southern Morehouse You know going to ABC News. And so is really remarkable. When I look back on it My little small town the coast of Mississippi Man. You know the people who've come out of that place The place that they think just full of people who don't have any ambition would in fact when you look at it on the ground you know some amazing stuff that happens maze INFO. Come out of there. Yeah growing up my family. They are first generation coming over from Polynesian Islands. And so we were in BILOXI MISSISSIPPI. A lot of our years we Toured and we did we performed in the casinos data. No we weren't black or white so they didn't know what we were so you know. There was a lot of different things that happen but just being in. Mississippi is definitely a different culture. Where you DIG ROPE IN HOUSTON? What was your experience as you're going to be elected for the governor of Mississippi. What was your thoughts and experience of how you sorry. Excuse me. Dome Fascinates Go That's what I WANNA know is. How did you feel that? You're able to take that role on you know it was really you know as I said I was able to cross certain kinds of boundaries because of my involvement in politics. I guess I had a good head on my shoulders and I had been you know we had this thing called the Ymca us legislature at the time. And they would invite young students from across the state to come in and we would take over a state government for three days and happened to be the case that I was elected. Youth governed from statewide right and I remember the newspapers to Jack. The Clarion Ledger in Jackson saying that Mississippi use were generations ahead of the state because they had elected this black governor but what was so fascinating about the moment is that I didn't really have a developed political sense about the world. I understood you know. Racism I understood white. Supremacy viscerally intuitively but I didn't have an analysis at that point and I remember as a young man you know before I went off to college I was able to go to the Democratic National Convention in San Francisco to eighty four convention with Jesse spoke when he when he ran in eighty. Four and Mario Cuomo gave his tale of two cities speech and I was sitting on the front row this country boy from Mississippi GIS soaking it in and I remember being in an elevator and Jesse Jackson walking into the elevator and again. I'm just a country boy from the coast right. So the Guy Jesse Jackson walks and he's towering over me and he asked me where I was from what I was doing. He just told me to keep struggling. Keep working keep evolving in some ways right. That wasn't his language but he just kind of set the bar so high. So in that moment being elected youth governor at the time and in going to the Democratic National Convention at the age of fifteen and I just kind of got a sense that my world was so much more expensive than moss point and is something that I've come to articulate. Now IS UP IN MY FIFTIES. The world is always conspiring to make you small and in the question is whether or not you're going to be complicit and so in the early days of my life. I was able to imagine myself in the most expensive of terms so I wasn't contained or constrain by my little hometown in fact that was the fuel. Got In some ways. Propel me for if that makes us fearful and people don't realize how big Jesse Jackson is man. Jesse Jackson big man has said do this. I'd be like Man Jesse Jackson big as hell like. He walked up on me now just like he could play He. You say to people forget get athlete brought up man Jesse Jackson huge huge human. Being is funny because like skipping ahead but like Jesse Jackson. 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We're then is there a role in the church in the modern world? Because I feel like when you look at back. A MALCOLM MALCOLM BEING MUSLIM IS STILL. He still had a connection to the to the community. But then you look at Martin and you look at everything. He did for new when the bus boycott was through the church. I grew up in the church as I'll see that church avenue saint impact politically that they used to. They were risking that you know. James Cone talked about religion tree about the two at the same time. I just don't see that that's being used the way that it is now and that kind of scares me a little bit because I feel like if we look at to the barefoot Jesus was Jesus was a risk taker when it came to religion. And did this. It feels like we've fallen short of their risk taking ability to be able to go out and say we really believe in us a church in a way not just for prosperity but for change. You know it's a complicated story to tell Michael about the role of black churches in politics and I say that because you know we tell the standard story that you know black. Churches have been at the center of black politics. Right when and we tell that story as if it's if it's inherent to black religious life right and in fact what is inherent is what is really singular is that black churches are independently owned by black people so they were naturally organizing spaces. They were our institutions right. It didn't mean that the Gospel was that was preached from the pulpit was necessarily radical or not. It just meant that that space was singularly hours. So it made sense that people were organizing and mobilizing in those institutions bases. But there's always been a kind of tension within African American religion. Man and attention has people who are in scholarly terms people who have their priestly function and people who have their prophetic function that priestly functions folk to simply thinking about your soul trying to make sure you're right with regards to dogma and with regards to God. That prophetic function has something to do with. How do we make real the Gospel in the lives of folk that Matthew Twenty five religion right and so as early as nineteen o three Mike? You can read into boys souls of black folk in that. Chapter of the faith of the fathers were says. Churches are differentiating some into institutions. That are more entertaining. That are more for and he's talking in one thousand nine hundred three right so you always have always had in some ways this element in black religious life of churches. That weren't on the front line and what we need to understand. I think is that the prophetic is always in the minor key is never the dominant key. So when we look at today and we see all of these churches so preoccupied with sowing seeds and Prosperity Gospel. As you mention you see people like crapload dollar and no sorts of folk and say what the Hell is going on. Looks like Reverend Ike one in Dr King Loss but then when you look closely and you go to local churches you see some churches out here thinking Freddie Keynes's Church in Dallas. They are actually on the front lines doing work. So it varies so one of the things I say really quickly though is that black life is so much more complicated now even from when your grandfather was growing up. Who's more who's more known now Oprah beyond say the local past who's more influential right so because of the nature of black lives being so complicated by market forces by consumer forces by a range of things. The Black Church isn't a center of black life like at once whereas because there's so much else happened I wanted to know because of Michael stance politically in the field. I have a question I want to know. Because right now like sports politics. They're saying it doesn't coexist but religion does on the field so we can talk about. We Have Bible groups. We Have Bible Studies. We moved each Group I go to the Bible study. We can be very open the women's specifically but we can be very open about our views religiously and then we don't talk politically. Why does religion? Why is there like a? There's no barrier there but when we come to political and work there's a wedge perspective offer people only want to talk about the the giving side of being a religion like we have to dig deeper into what we are as human beings and I think. Sometimes we don't really want to do that because it comes with a risk actually taking a risk of say what we really believe in that. People don't really want to do that because if they say. Oh we want to pray at that Phil because people every time we pray work I say I don't want to prayer as a group because I feel that some of the stuff. I don't feel that. This sanction holy and. I feel that the way that the Gospel was preached inside. The locker. Room is something that just doesn't really have no sources behind it and just my opinion. You know I mean you know this okay for folk to kind of get all excited. When Tim tebow would get on his knees and porn up Your Room. You remember that right. He's not even in the league anymore. But you know everybody's excited because it doesn't threaten anything you know folks forget that you know Jesus was put on the Cross right by Ron. He was challenging principalities and powers. So there's a way in which the Gospel can be understood to unsettle power to unnerve those who hold power. So what happens when you have a particular voicing of religion in public space that is how shall we say comfortable with power? It's comfortable with wrong. So part of what? I think the question that you're asking is why is it the case that religion is sanctioned but a kind of political voices and that's because the way in which religion is being articulated voiced in that moment poses no threat to the order things right and so if there's a voicing of the Gospel and I heard this in your point Michael that really seeks to create justice and love in the arrangements of our world. Then it settles for Right so if you were at the end of a game saying we want to pray in the name of Jesus that we have just. As in our criminal justice system that we address racial inequality then suddenly. Jesus talk will be unsettling for some fo is a little bit more than just getting on your knee and expressing your piety in front of thousands of people. So I think you know how can I put this? I want to be that moment if I want to bear witness as someone. Who's a believer? I WanNa be that person that they asking it acts. What's wrong with those people? They must be drunk. Something about their behavior is not in alignment. With the order of things. Trying to account for the fact that the way in which you occupy space and time disrupts those who seek power and to to hold on it hold onto it no matter way after that makes sense because I feel that being almost being a Christian you understand. What's the sense of persecution? That comes along with it because it's all I feel like it's always been along that line and I feel that sometimes when you want to be making those statements. We don't want to have any persecution. But we want to be able to live vicariously to Jesus but we don't want to. We don't WanNa live in that world. They're round where you have to become more than just the flesh and I think sometimes for me this the issue that I have with it because nobody wants to be job. Everybody wants to be Solomon. Nobody wants to be job. Nobody wanted to get tested the way their job in his life and I think that's for me that's where for me just feels faulty. Whatever whenever I go through this for me the point I'm trying to make here's what does it mean to bear. Witness to the Gospel or Gospel is fundamentally about the least of these. So when you take a knee and folke okay with it might need to say a little bit more and it goes to that you grew up in you. Seen the role of the black athletes have John Carlos on the show. I think we want to pay homage to the people who came before us. And what do you see in his public? Discourse was political discourse on on politics in future of America. What is the road as athletes in general not just to black athletes athletes in general have a platform where their role in being able to speak up on the issues that are current in America? It varies I think. All of us have a responsibility to give voice to our aspiration for more just and loving world. What does it mean to have a platform? You have your particular platform failures. I have mine. What does it mean to take advantage of of the resources? We have to ensure that the least of these that the most vulnerable among us can not only dream dreams but to make those dreams a reality. I think the reason why people look black people in particular look to athletes is because not only. Do they have platforms? They have resources. What does it mean for us to be able to? Leverage our power to leverage our brand leverage assets are skills right to really bring pressure to bear on arrangements that really do our people in and I think we use justice and love as our model as our guiding principle value. Then no matter who we are no matter where we are located. We're GONNA live lives to instead. She Ate Justice in love in. The world is best we can. So My responsibility is to always put that in the forefront and part of what the athlete what he or she has to grapple with is that we live in a world that is so defined by selfishness and greed and Narcissism Donald Trump as. I've said before it's just a reflection of US and so so. Many people are just so preoccupied about getting collecting near cars by and big houses. You know just collecting material toys. That they're not in some ways dedicating their lives to love and justice right and it seems to me that what we have to fight against is you know. Is this temptation to be just simply navel-gazing just to be preoccupied with our own with ourselves right so got a battle that fight we gotTA fight that battle against selfishness and greed and narcissism. It seems to me but you know I can go on and on sorry silly but also without if you're not an athlete so you're just with social media because it's so big right now and it is a platform for other people who whatever it is that they do in their career or profession of how do they use social media with activism in a positive way of reaching out to people because they get you get the news now so quickly but also people. Are you know putting out information so quickly their opinions or swaying different ideas? So how is that done correctly? You know it varies you know. Social media is almost like social media has become how how can I put this like micro reality shows right? You use the platform simply to project the image of yourself and it seems to me that that's not some people that for some people. That's fine do you. But you know for some of US. I look at these. You know the smartest way to think about social media at least to me is the distribution of distribution we can begin to push information to various public's right we can begin to create conversations with people whom we may never see. And so there's a way in which you can really build the conditions for much. More informed electorate much more informed public so that we can do the kind of work we need to do and I was on on the ground to see what they were doing in Ferguson. I saw how they use social media to organize their assault. How black lives matter? Used it And I also saw how social media worked too disorganized it right and how. It played a negative role in interesting sorts of ways. So I guess. The main thing is to be deliberate. What are the values animating? Why you on on social media in the first place. Why are you doing it? What is the point and it could range from the kind of basic social things that we want to do to the basic organizing injustice work. We can do. And you just have to be deliberate. How you approach right and I think we always reevaluate like within me and Michael Relationship. Our family the kids we re evaluate what we're doing. We're doing it and I think what you're saying on social media is do a clean sweep you know if you're using social media as just scrolling for you no nonsense but if you really are being intentional what you're wanting to learn and read about and listen to them. Do a clean sweep of the in cleaned that out because right now actually I was working on this song or poetry. Whatever it's called reps this rap. You've everybody is really is like Emma were worthy of this. Love is really talking about like are people really worthy of the love that they're receiving on his instagram twitter facebook and they don't really know what to do with it because the like you said they projected something that they really aren't and they don't really let you know about the paint. It'll really let you know what they suffer from. So I don't feel like there's no clear vision so I do think I do agree with you about it but I do have a particular question though. I know you're saying was questioned by the police in college. Neces- terrified sprints for a lot of people in America when it comes to their blacker Brown shawl people of Color. How did that make you feel? And what is the reality of being a black man and having a child and having to put them into the world and thinking about What was going to be their reality in my book. I was saying my right. I'd get three daughters and I was always scared like even though I wanna sign always feel like like if he likes is almost dangerous sometime to be. Black is a black male in America. So but you could go into the gum and do you know that personally from your own experiences right so when my son called me and told me that. I had to think really quickly because you know the first thing is you want you want to just choke somebody you know. You WanNa hurt somebody. Because they don't do that right near Sung. Yoon threatening your son but you know the main thing though me was how do I in this moment? Keep this from turning inward for him because what happens in these moments when society tells us that we're less than when they police our bodies when they exact harm what happens sometimes that hatred and anger turns inward and it begins to corrode to Seoul and so part of what I didn't want him to do in. That moment was to was to become embittered where the anger would in some ways limit how he imagined himself and so you know when the police stopped him and put the hand on the gun and told him to leave and I sit and he was like Oh and I was like just imagine how much how many times that happens to someone on stuyvesant avenue intriguing. Just imagine how much how many times it happened to somebody and Cabrini-green when the projects were update Chicago just think about what happens to folk in the delta in Mississippi. So part of what I wanted to do was to turn outward right and so the rage instead of the rage taking root in him the rage becomes the fuel for this commitment to justice La Right to become other regarding in that moment and not self obsessed right with your own wound pain. 'cause you know Cornell West told me something one time Pele Mike that I think I've never I'll never forget. He said we're all wounded. The question is whether or not we're going to be a wounded hurt or wounded healer and so in those moments when my child was faced with the kind of the in the bitter racism of the United States. What I wanted to do with that wound was to say okay now. Let's make sure you turn out. Come out of this experience with the aim of being a healer and not a hurter and so you get angry. I'm worried about him. He's twenty three and I'm still worried about him. He's six two and he's just like you know he's walking around with dreads in his head Even though he's a brown graduate doesn't matter you know. I'm still worried about him as my mother told me. I won't stop worrying about until they put me in the ground And so you know is one of the with the psycho black tax wiping go through this. Now worry about this at all so the main thing though is that you know James Baldwin said you know whatever. The Negro problem is is this problem. He says he paraphrasing here. He says our problem is trying to keep what the world says about our children from taking root in there so and so we have to work day in day out so that our children won't believe what the world says about them and that's at the heart of my parenting because as crazy as my dad was as much as I wanted to leave home right. I remember when I was in the fourth grade. And Ms Davis was messing with me and I was only black kid in the class and I jumped up and I you are racist and out of the class like you said like us like Richard Pryor Breath Richard Pryor Bre and Iran and I thought I was going to get killed by my Dad. Because my dad could just look at me and I would cry you know and I thought he was GonNa just I thought he was gonNA break my sternum and I told he said what she say. Can I said she said that Alah? He said if anybody ever says something like that to you again you do the same thing as exactly so in the midst of a world. That's constantly bombarding our children with the belief that they're not valued as much as other people because of the color of their skin. Our task is to make them believe that they are kings and Queens at the they. Don't come to bow to come to conquer that they walked this planet straight back right and if I say that I'm out here fighting lines with switch the next thing I'm GonNa say is that I'm winning. You see it's a different way of being in the world that I'm not a recipient of your charity you a gifted by my presence in the world and I just wanted to impart that in my son in that moment when he was so full of rage that I was worried that it was going to choke the life out of his soul. I really don't think people really understand that like what it feels like the be African American in America because they don't really understand it's a rich history but also is kind of just been kind of plagued with so much hardship so a lot of time people tell us to get over stuff but is is hard to not to get over something like when you find your last name like. That's a big issue like not being able to trade show origin in the world. That's to me. That's a big issue and just to think about you know. Look at something like putting a Muslim. Somebody like you look at something like that. That's like it's just so much stuff that has happened over time and it's just a costume. Variables that things that keep perpetuate the hate behind just being the color of your skin or whatever and I just feel like this is hard to voice that sometimes people feel like oh there they go again with that same. Oh story the opportunity. They don't take advantage of the opportunities. It seems like there's always somewhere. You always being suppressed or some type of way as just feel like sometimes when you grow up and you go through is hard to keep your dignity and unless you have a pair of this around you really put that into you put that seat into your soul like James Baldwin said. Then there's no is no way of really defeating because every time you turn on the TV you see your people look at you being diminished and for me. I feel like as a parent is very difficult for us. Sometimes I feel like but at the same time we continuously fight to keep pushing it. It's never into because it's also your kids but then there's also yourself too because you also dealing with the image of being who you are as individual you being a woman of color me being a man of color people always something. It's been ties. Were people that come to our house and fix something and people are expert and she worked in their business. My House. They'll say. Can I speak to the owner? And I'm like you're looking at her. What you this is your today. Br It happened to meet at daybreak. But you know you said something earlier that I just thought about. You know there. They go again. Daddy go again right you know. Is this thing that you know. They can't believe what we tell them about. What has happened to us in what is happening to us because to believe us is to confront who they are honestly and you see that this is important because the illusion that the illusion of innocence is at the heart of the law. They got they got so America. And I've said this before my work America is like pita pans never never land not the one that Michael Jackson had now new temblor but but but the point is never never land is the place where lost boys don't have to be responsible for nothing. You can put a bullet in the in the Journal of Iran. In say. Don't don't do nothing. I just did a review of this book called the Wilmington's lie a massacre in Wilmington North Carolina in eighteen. Ninety eight man were literally white. Supremacists at gunpoint took over. Local government ran black. People out of their homes into the swamp killed over sixty people. At least that's what they that's reported right just literally with the idea that black people were overrunning government that they were Negro domination. Threatened white supremacy. Right this is not like it. Was you know in the seventeen hundreds we could talk about? Tulsa we talk about Elaine Arkansas. Whenever White America feels as if it's threatened we've experienced the brunt of the violence and then when we tell that story daddy go again data. Go again no. No no no no all all of this has to do with the need to preserve a kind of innocent so they don't have to be responsible for the lives and the violence and death that has been such a crucial part of this country's history. We'll be right back more to come after the break. Is this something. That's interfering with your happiness. I could see a lot of. Is this up to prevent you from achieving your goals and no prevent me from achieving Margot's. If so I gotTA solution for you. Go to bitter help online hausler. Is there for you to get help? Better help offers. Licensed professional counselors who specialize in issues such as depression stress relationships grieve self esteem in more connect with a professional counselor in a safe in private online environment. 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If you have became a fan of mine and of the Seahawks Super Bowl championship run will check out talking. Seahawks PODCASTS WITH JOE. Fan subscribed to Chris. Simms unbutton and talk hawks for free. Wherever you listen to podcasts so you listen to that on anything. That has podcast. I don't WanNa skip over the part that you've got the new book coming out beginning again. James Baldwin America in urging the lessons of our own. Ns My aunts. My Dog. That's my man. I just love Jimmy Baldwin. We think about James Bond inches crazy and just the power of what he can do a words. It's like some people give you look at Mohammed Ali. And he would. He could do with his fist but this make him do that with words. They're not just cut beneath the skin. Week you see. It would cut the flesh. What is your book? You'RE GONNA be about so in some ways. What I was trying to do is to figure out so Jimmy live long enough to see them Kilmartin. He lived long enough to see that the that the hopes of the civil rights movement were betrayed. And there's a line that comes out of his last novel just above my head. And I'm paraphrasing. He says you know. When when the dream was shattered and people scattered some lost their minds. Some died some went to jail and he says you know. Responsibility ISN'T LOSS. Responsibility as advocated and if one refuses abdication than one begins again and so. Jimmy is writing in a moment when the country is turned. Its back on this civil rights movement. The back white backlash has happened and he sees Ronald Reagan on the horizon. He sees another words all the things that will lead to trump today and so I wanted to write about how he responded to that moment of betrayal. Because we're living in a moment of betrayal of our own and so most folks will go and read Jimmy's They would read the fire next time. And I'm like no. No no no go read donate industry. The book he wrote in. One thousand nine hundred seventy two and it's a book that is like you know if the fire. Next time is the prophecy. No name in. The street is the reckoning. And so I wanted to use that book as a frame for thinking about our current moment so is not a book about Jimmy Book. Where thinking with him and trying to find resources to keep my head up in this dark moment where the country has turned. Its back on. Its promise once again I would like to know other sources that you use personally for hope and optimism in what else what the craziness that's happening right now you know I think is really important to make a distinction between hope and optimism optimism. I don't have a lot of that from Mississippi you grew up in. Houston you know what I attend court or blue sound is you know. There's there's a line in it. Bb King has a line where he says. Nobody loves me but my mother but she could be jiving too so he's a blues. So coke is a hope. That the boys says sews a black folk as a hope not hopeless but unhelpful? You know so. Where do I find this blues soaked? Hope I find it in us. We've seen dark times in this country may mean we've experienced the country at its lowest points. And what I do know. Is that my faith in human beings capacity to respond in the darkest of the hour is the faith that I have. I'm constantly trying to be able to Cultivating my ability to see beyond the ugliness of now to imagine and otherwise where human beings could be treasured where everyone can no matter the zip code. No matter who they love no matter. The color of their skin will be afforded dignity and standing in a society that values human beings has opposed to money and things Croissant Winded Ping visited. You Know Mayor Michael Dyson Cornell. Yeah Yep we're both of them but my question would be. Who would beat a better rapper? Michael Airs I was expecting Cornell Westwood but should be really will be like really. He'd be really good with like what did you say. I should do not rhyme. No no neither one of them and neither one of you need to understand your limitations man as like. It's like the alkyl coming to the to the cookout. His Shorts Bra. You need to put some pants probably got uncle to from New Zealand and AB wears shorts. I'd be like my daughter's uncle while you got groceries. His choice to be so sure like literally but he has. He has a tattoo on his leg. Show it all at the same time I know. He's that's uncle right there. That really wears a Schwartz Man. All right and So we got. We got like this thing. We like to do. Rather quick questions are just things that yes or no you can give a little S. Why you say yes why you say. No okay. So the first one is Morning Sexual Nights six morning starchy day off right. I knew I I said morning. Most of the most everybody's missing both oath a different. Do I see you start your day off right? Yes sir what seems to be. Let's see okay. How about your drinks? You prefer wine or hard liquor you like highlighting the Irish whiskey whiskey Kevin Hart Richard Pryor Richard Pry. Tim Hart kind of redundant when he stuff is Kinda Kinda boring. Richard Prize. The father. I mean there's no reason. Yeah how about your vacation? Do you like to relax at the beach or go on city tours. Relax at the beach with a good novel in the Caribbean I love in. Us Okay Usually I like I had a place in version. Don't tell no tell them to check into how much he got. He got them. Llc Now now talking about Justice love look at it right. Don't tell them sports team. Mississippi State Ole Miss Mississippi State. Now wouldn't you wouldn't catch me for the running rebels. No no zippy's were Johnny Rabb. Oh Hell no all right. What about some food crawfish or poboy? That's a hard one I know. God How could you ask me that question? Boom I have to choose between the two say either or Oh my God i Love I love. Second Bears Fan Zhiyi. That's what we call in Louisiana know I go to a good shrimp oboe. Okay listen catering to blues depends on what kind of liquor? I'm drinking if I'm if I'm listening to the blues there has to be some some risky from R&B I'll go with the blues. Bobby Bland to a great book or a great movie book. I'm a nerd. Dive deeper into a book is a movie is your head. I always grew a great book to me. It's also a vacation absolute mentally. You get lost. I love it too. James Baldwin. Toni Morrison Oh. Tony says she found language in Baldwin. Iep She taught him he taught her what the English language could do. So I would have to go with the mastercard. Have to go with Jimmy. Although I love Tony Dokoupil you crawfish and shrimp. Poboy Kratos go. I think you're sending your day of what I'm GonNa do this week. I'm have crawfish. I have six profits on the on the beach. I read my book. Richard Pryor got some vacation summary. Mike. That's what I'm talking about. This is a salary this chill today by. What they I know you busy. You got a lot of stuff going on. I'm always for you to take the opportunity to bless me in which a voice voices. The soup is the voice of the century. You know being able to be able to articulate the way that you do like nobody can really comment you any type of way because you've got that armor on an arm. That is something that I appreciate it though man. I appreciate everything you do and I appreciate. Y'All thank y'all so much. Regard Paternity and and continue to model which you model and you know what you model you. Model deep and genuine and a body love. Thank you so much appreciate. That's it that's it that's the end. You don't listen to Michael Anymore. But come back next week for me on another episode of mouthpiece with the Michael M. E. Palais Bennet. Please subscribe to or like. Oh so anything that you listen to Apple Stitcher spotify. Whatever you listening to to get away from your family. 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22: Redesign Every Damn Thing (with Frances Merrill)

"WAKE UP WAKE UP A. Wake Up, wake up A. I said what gut wake up. You're listening to mouthpiece Michael Bennett and Pele Bennett. Today. We have Francis mirrow. She's to owner and designer reef design and I actually love her stuff. I came across her stuff. Architecture digest DSP love Architectural Digest. Digest magazine quite often. But The colors were used it in the way that she was able to bring pattern to life. And two houses I had never seen before, and and now we're able to get her on the phone today. The extra about her design patterns how she got into design. WHAT MAKES UP DESIGN? And how do people in these times these trying times? Everything? That's happened to be able to. Find a way to redesign L. House in fall in love with interior design I have to you know talk about Youtube because. When Michael showed me your instagram and I was looking at the work, and the first thing like you said was a color is it wasn't just your normal primary? It was off shades. It was so much distinctiveness, but something different something unique, and also your prince see I have to highlight. Use them more because they hold on. You didn't say and all the proceeds I love the prince They're just fun and something different. I think so much in it within. It was so different and Michael knows I love offset colors. And it all drew into me and I was like Oh. Yes, yes, yes, we need to work with their so yeah. I had to put my two cents in there to to highlight you. All thank you I, mean we for us? We just want to work with people that are interested and willing to take risks I think people are so used to seeing one thing, and it's kind of scary. As it and You know what will other people saying. Someone recently that maybe one of the positive offshoots of everyone being at home is that people will just decorate their houses for themselves. Since they're not having anybody, come over anyway, and then they won't be afraid and they'll just like. Do the crazy stuff they love which would be great, I think 'cause everyone doesn't like the same thing so like why do so many houses look the same? Do you think that people are forced to. Do you think because it is to grab a because. How Trendy Culture is now? People are forced to be trendy like that, or is it even in their own mind, or is it like exception like people were playing is the criteria for design and people fall in love with it like that yeah? I think it's both I. Try to be careful about not seeming judgy right because there's some people who don't really care right like they just want their house to look Nice. They want it to be easy to clean up and look pretty enough when I know like their kids, friends parents pick them up from plate or something I don't know, but then there's some people who like really care and get into it and I feel like it's like that with everything. Right like there's some people who will like eat the same food every day, but they like really love music and would never imagine someone like making their own playlist for them, or there are some people who. They're saying is like gardening, but they don't really care about another thing. Find if your house isn't your thing great, but if it is like you should make it somewhere, you really love. That feels special and. I think some of that is actually just like kinda going slow and being able to really kind of listen to yourself and what you react to what you like, and the other part of it. That's the boring part of interior design is the function part where it's like I don't like to design really minimal houses for families because I don't think parents should have to put every single thing away at the end of the day to make their house. Look right like that's not relaxing. So there's that aspect of it. Also I like that because you think about with kids, we have three kids, and sometimes it does get like like okay. Clean up with this stuff away, but then also it kinda takes away from the experience of guests. Someone lives in this home. Being lived in and I think that's a beautiful side of it into like you have spaces that I had an aunt that it was way, and she's like okay. No one's allowed in this room. Not One foot could go in that room. And I was like Oh like such a sacred area is clean. It's that which I saw it as part of Oh. That's so neat. You know the young kid, but then growing up and having kids and having my space I'm like Oh. Actually I want them to be able to. I'M NOT GONNA lie sometimes. Jump on the couch. Throw a pillow on the floor. Put their stuff around. Because it's been lived in, and I feel like it, also being home and using it in that way, it leaves those lasting impressions you know as you get older, and you remember those things and I. Think I like that. Nobody. Else. Couches in my house. I definitely. I. Don't want to be judged because I might be saying. He spent how much the couch but I. don't want people jumping on my couch. Especially now my kids with feet, my because my whole goal is if my kids jump on my couch. Get older. I'M GONNA. Jump all over the couch and just make a missed it. Husband is GonNa be so mad at me because they. Daddy come over every time and. Just be like it's revenge revenge. Okay, but then that is you putting the couch before the child to mark mccown show? In. Say you're not jumping on the couch? You don't want to design a house. That only looks good one way you want to design a house where you guys go to New Zealand and find an artist. You like that you can buy that an ad. It and it looks good, and it's not like Oh. Sorry our houses done. We can't bring things back when we travel anymore. That sucks you. WanNa. Just always be adding and have it really be I mean I think one of the things that we really really try, and our design is to be like super personal, so why we're always asking tons of questions like where do you love to travel? Is there a place you loved when you were a kid like you know? What books are you reading, do you? And then like the functional things like? Do you need a good light to read in bed or do you read on your phone? Like? Where do you put your stuff down when you come in the door and sort of all those things together to make a place that just feels good to you. Francis sided with me. Today. Shy. I will say this is just like a tiny practical thing and I'm pretty sure at least one of the sofas that we've gotten for you. Don't buy things at the pillows. Come off, then your kids can jump on, and it doesn't look messy and you don't have to pick them back up and it's still comfortable, but you're not just always sort of being like oh don't do that. ooh, careful. 'cause we joked in, and we got right to it creativity and inspiration that you studied creative writing before you change course to work in textile design. Like what really made you make the leap in? You know growing up in New York. And what made you change all that, too? Because if you do creative writing sounds like that doesn't sound like into designed, but maybe they're connected and type of way I think they are, and for me. They are i. read so much as a kid like I, read everything. And I loved it, but I think it really opened my eyes like to just sort of picturing different places and different people, and where they were like what it looked like and I think the type of design we try to do. Is that sort of like visual storytelling so I studied writing and loved. You know making up stories and thinking about things that way, but as I was getting older I. Really realized that I loved I would start. Teach myself to like so a skirt, and then I'd be done and I think I just followed a pattern like the real artist. Cheers whoever came up with this fabric? Right like that's what's most interesting. So then I started studying that and I you know. I grew up in New York and I. Always Thought I would live there, but when I finish school and so many people I knew were so excited to move to where I was from I. Kind of was like I wanna go somewhere where I don't know anyone and I've never been and I can have that fresh experience. And I had net made my mom's from California, but not la and I had never been tell and I was like Oh. Maybe I should be like a costume designer set designer or something like that, and that's what got me out here. And then it slowly just kind of turned into interior design in like in retrospect looking back I love to move the furniture around with. With, my mom, like all those sort of cliche things I loved my dollhouse, but textile. Can you explain to people listening like textile designs? Because a lot of people don't even know what textiles or right so it's fabric right? There are a lot of different kinds, so there's it could be woven. It could be I. Actually I went to this one school for textile design. And I don't know why I'm still intrigued by this and part of it just being curious about things, but like one of the things we had to do that. His literally never come in handy for anything in my life, but still interesting was we had to burn little pieces of fabric and smell them to try and figure out what they were made out. Out of and like cool, this is fun weird, but all right, and so it is like knowing about different like natural fibers or the different dyes that go into things to be able to get different types of colors, and then whether things are woven or knit, and then there's also the whole world of antique textiles which are so cool and are really are. and. We've talked about this before. But from all different places you can get such a sense of the culture by these things that were created that are so beautiful, fairly low six toes though I think I mean I never really had to introduction to textiles like. Grown up lake and I mean we had to blankets. I feel like, but at the same time I get introduced to textiles in the way fabric feel around the world, and a difference of how fabrics field from different places around the world I. Think probably kind of elevated my palate to little bit I give her credit. She elevated my palate sorry. No know seriously because like even like like I. Think we both around like? I was like a real inspirational textile place for both of US I. Think I would say I. Don't know what do you? What do you mean we're talking about country? Then? Yes, but I will say textiles to me. It's also like a part of my culture, so you think about like you know my someone. A East Indian side. I think about fabrics using her costumes growing up and Saris that my grandmother were always different things that always had so much color imprint. Made impact on meet growing up. Is that I love I can go real bold, but then I. also you know sometimes just like solid, but looking at colors and fabrics and design prince I love and so I think that's what a great job! I liked that you do. Francis is that not only are. New, like go into the where account it was made. How does it get to this or maybe? Hey, Pelley, like okay. We have a green carpet me and Michael Really. But you know just kind of like diving deeper into like okay. This color is an offset because of this reason or how they make the died. Going to the history of it, also I think is really neat as well, and it's joyful, right those patterns and colors like they're. They're happy making right I mean I. Know definitely, and then you think about when some people will talk to friends and family. Why are you working with the designer? You can go on house and I have to say it is such a different experience to work with someone who has that craft and skill in art of it, you know because you can say oh I can kind of put something together, but I think bringing someone that his skillful in that area it is a huge difference, a huge difference while and one of the things that I like is that I'm just exposed to like a lot of. Interesting makers right just because of what I do, so they're people that are kind of hard to find, but that are doing cool stuff and I think that's one of the things. That's just sort of overwhelming if you're working by yourself. Stay with us, we'll be right back at the short break. Luna go aspen, drinks or something. Chauffeur's second. If you're still sleeping on the same saggy, old raggedy mattress, you deserve better helix sleep quiz that only takes two minutes to complete and matches your body type and sleep preferences to the perfect mattress for you. 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And for the people who would listen to this right now like? Like a couple of little smart executive with their textiles, who like switch it up in a house or maybe change you I, it does it cost a lot of money because people. Michael and Pele's easier to have interior designer when you pay an NFL one. To the honest, like I've really been thinking about this so much over the last few months because. It doesn't always sit that well to be like cool. My job is really only four. People with a certain level of income and I would love to be able to make that different and so I have been trying to think what are things know they're always magazines. Have this quick tip and that quick tip. And those are fine, and a lot of them are really useful, and like if I could tell you one thing, it's like you're by a bigger rug. Get a nice rug pad like the things that make you just feel better. But like I think some of it is thinking like what do I really like? Look around like? What's your favorite TV show? What's the favorite like cover of a book like? Maybe there's a color that you just never realized you loved, and you should try painting your room that or honestly like I is to do this. When I was young like by few yards of fabric, and put them over Your Sofa or hang them. Them on the wall like just to of get the things that you like around you that make you feel good and I know I've said this before, but like my favorite clients are the ones who come to me with things they love right like whether it's something that belonged to someone's great aunt that they're like. This is really ugly, but it makes me think affirmative I'm like great. Then we're putting it up, you should. Should have the things you love. That's way more important than having a nice house, so in terms of things that you can do at home. I think it's spending a little time really sitting down and thinking being honest with yourself. What makes you happy? What are the things that like for me? I know I love flowers and I know I love cooking for my family so like those are the things that make me feel. Feel like it's a house so like cutting something from outside and making food for people, neither of them are like particularly designed related, but they make it feel like home, but you know those like. We spent so much time at work and like out, and about like we don't even realize about our individual houses are individuals basis within our houses like because it really does spend a lot of time there I would say. Most of the time people probably spending their house is probably literally in the TV room and the kitchen and into the bedroom. People really like get into their houses I guess because we don't really have that type of time. I think I guess when you like now when you go into my library, my place to read a book, I don't know I think it's fine for people. I have to find time to really be at home. I think being in this. When everybody was home. Because of this covy covert nineteen, I believed I. Mean I think people would probably wanted to do more design now? It's totally true and there are different. I mean one thing I learned is I love my house. I love being there, but I might have put more doors on rooms. It goes party allowed. To kids having school. Two people working I'm like Oh that open a plan. That is so true, and you know I think with all of it is and I think this is true for all creative people. You're just always cycling through in the back of your mind like Oh. What works? What doesn't what Kinda gives me that? Especially? When we're working on a design for a new project, we throw so much stuff at right like try this fabric. Try this color. Look at this image and there's always one moment when something just of comes into focus and you're like. Okay Yep. That's it like we can build off that an even sometimes that thing doesn't end in the finished project, but it's. Kind of the hook that got you in and I think that's something. That most creatives find in their work right like there's just a moment it comes together, but it's pretty hard to manufacture that I was just going to ask you. So you're most creative randomly when you just have that Aha moment, or is there something specific that you do like to do that? Gets you in his own. What is that? I've noticed like kind of like that procrastinator that has to wander onto probably why I'm not as good at working from home 'cause I'm like I'll do the dishes I'll do some laundry like. Where like if I'm at my office at least my like version of doing the dishes as I'm going to organize these tiles and they'll be like. ooh, look at this. You know from me I am creative, but also pretty practical and I. Like that part and so one of the things about interior design. That's nice. If you're not feeling creative, you can be like okay well at least I can like. Start to build this floor plan or start to call in these samples are start to think about how this might work and sort of do that more structured part of it. While you're waiting for the creative part, and I feel like so much of the time. I'm working in the back of my brain when I don't know I am, and then finally are like okay. It's time like we've collected everything. We've called all our samples in. We've looked through all our books. We've done this like. Let's see where we are with everything. And you know you can't really force it. But also like people want to move into their houses, so you can't just not do. You have to go to start. We're we would along yeah. Affleck Interior design pro perfectly me in. Pele probably would would. Say. They're probably I Literally look at so much stuff about interior design. I, let have so many magazines. I I just like it I think it is pretty cool to be able to look into the room and look at the room as being a piece of art are look at the room as being a ex like being. A personification of who you are, you know what I'm saying because like you said earlier when we were talking so times we look at design, and we wanted to personify how Kylie Jenner or or somebody else's house looks to make us kind of but I think you could take elements of what she liked from something. Be Able to create something new around it the way you like it I think designed to me is just like it just feels so. So free like looking at the furniture. Look at the colors games a way to make your match yeah I agree I mean my favorite things to look at two or when it's like some kind of odd quirky person who's lived in some house, or maybe a tiny apartment in new. York and they've just been there forever and figured it out and you're like Kinda. Want to know more about this person like I definitely want to go eat dinner there. And then it's also fun to see like the crazy houses where someone built like some giant modern thing on the top of a mountain like honestly I'm happy to like I like looking at the paint color like my doctor's waiting room and main like this is a cool color like what's happening here and just kind of imagining and thinking about the way people live and. I don't know. It's interesting to me. and. I would say so for beating Michael I. Think we've come a long way. But you know like bringing people bring their styles in in You know they're still evolving as people in general, so there is changing and I think that's something that I have learned working with Michael on this last project now is that we might not agree on one thing, but the end of the day I don't WanNa live in a house where I chose everything he chose everything. You know if I don't like. It's fine, but he loves the curtain. Into like I. WanNa work within and I. I think I've learned that within this last. doing this last project with the also because we're doing so many things that I think our. Not that I feel like my goal. Your Color Palette has changed in general. And so now we're starting to like also notes. We're starting to like more things that are similar which I feel that we weren't before Oh. You guys are great like that. There may be some things you totally agree on, but you would be surprised. How many people were I'm like? Oh, how is this GonNa? Go like they don't like any of the same things. Yeah, but that's also a good challenge also to just try and figure out. Okay, we'll wear. You know that's sometimes I love like one of my first projects. Is this young couple who had bought a super modern house and all their references were like really kind of like old ornate houses and I was like. Not What you bought like? How can we take this and give a version of it that works in this house and that's the kind of problem solving that makes me excited You know so funny, though because we talk about design and like you been la in new. York City like whether it would be like I know people from La. New York is GONNA. Be Like what she gonNa Save. Would you say like design wise? Did you find because I actually and personally? I like New York design better? What do you like billy out of the to La? I'm saying I like new. York designed to because I feel like it has like a more like eclectic feel like it doesn't feel so. Pushed. It just feels like he's more free like people are just being a free self when it comes to design, but I'll of I feel that way by La Everything's kind of similar in a sense well I would think one of the issues with that is, and that's a whole separate conversation is like the celebrity culture and to these magazines who are putting the images out. It's pretty hard for them to stay afloat right now, and they're doing what they can and a lot of that is. Publishing celebrities, houses and In La, you're, GONNA. Get a lot of the same thing I think there are actually are great places in La. They're just maybe not being photographed. One thing I will say for Los Angeles, creativity in general, and maybe this would be anyone going from somewhere that they grew up to somewhere. They didn't grow up. There's something about l. a. where you can just make up whatever you want like. There are not so many rules, maybe and maybe that's because of the film industry where people are like today. We're going to build a set of ancient Egypt. But tomorrow it's going to be Manhattan like. Sort of do anything and so as a designer in La I can be simultaneously working on a streamlined modern house on an old Spanish on a modern loft on a mid century modern that I think is really nice. But I've also gotten lucky where I kind of tend to attract people who have weird or quirkier old houses, because there are a lot that are not that appealing in La for sure. You know. New York has so many well La has great weird quirky vendors to I mean. I don't know that's hard for me because I'M commode. Political Right. Like you do upset your clients. In your. Uncle chooses side here. That makes sense to what you said about. You know celebrities pushing. The trends in how what is put out there, and so that makes sense I mean I honestly I wanna like find some sort of publication and I don't even know how work like I just think about how many amazing places there are. That aren't being photographed because there is an someone with a name attached to them. That are probably like so cool and weird, not only that and places that aren't in new. York or la like just in parts of the country where they're just interesting buildings with some of those houses of who? I think I think when we talk about design, okay? You. Can't. PICK LA or New York. Kick, pick aside. What about like in the world of design like the countries like I? Think I like Scandinavian and Japanese architecture, like how the clean lines in you know the simplicity of it, but the still there's like this art to it that makes it really makes it really elevated like places I love Morocco. Morocco has oh charm, filling that you feel like you in the Perez and the colors just warm that you feel like you could wear anything in. It just feels so rich in there like. Also like Morocco. You realize like. Why the architectures like that is because of the surroundings right like those big thick walls and. Being sort of like in closed, but outside, and those courtyards to be away from the sun like there's there's that part of it, but yet mean Morocco is incredible and I think it's funny. Both Japan and Scandinavia have this thing where. At the surface level, you don't see maybe a lot of color. You see the beautiful clean lines and details, but when you scratch deep, Darris, amazing textiles and warmth of finishes and really beautiful things. I mean I think. That's another thing that we haven't really talked about. Buying things that are vintage stood the test of time or things that are actually going to look better and feel good because they've been used. Thing else that we like in the earth of those places to. The homes I love the earth of bringing outside elements inside and I'll say, and it's I think British. Interior design has a sense of humor that I like I mean. We often say that we have to hit like elegant and beautiful and functional I in our design, but if it can also then kind of have a sense of humor, be playful without giving up. Elegance I think that's one is also really successful. And I. Use the words when you described. worke weird. Funky but I honestly love that. You know because even with the kids when they're doing. This daily stuff. It's okay to for that to be weird like those hours. Don't mean something negative, but I feel like. When I hear those words, we'll see how you're using. It is edited daring. It's like being fearless and being daring and trying something different in new, and like you said you try it and you're like up this caller. Go and change for it, but I think that's how we start exploring ourselves on what you said. What do we like? We don't know because we're so used to weigh in until you really experience and try that. I think that you'll learn too much about yourself. Also going through the design and I do I think good design, there's a combination of like. Really. Do your homework like prepare test. Those colors get the swatches. Look at everything together, but that will only get you so far. There then has to be elite a face. Right or you're just GONNA. End Up with something boring, so it's not just like. Oh, go by a bright blue paint painted everywhere. No think about it. 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I mean I definitely tend to avoid the larger companies, but that's just me I. mean was big companies wants it be couples publication publication's. When you look at what's happening across the country in the world like it's only going to be positive in terms of being able to see like. Y when we see a house in Morocco, is it only like a white American ladies about a house there right like surely there's an amazing Moroccan owned house. Right like and the same for all over. So that I. that could be really interesting. I think. Look, I'm not gonNA say anything new here, but it's exposure. Right like I think that's. The answer to a lot of things across the board because there are beautiful things being made all over the world, and it's about seeing them, and by looking to see like okay. Who Am I getting this from? Am I getting this from someone who made it or am I getting this from someone who like went on vacation there for a little while, and like started making it themselves because that's not right. What I hope will come out of. The current movement in terms of black lives matter, and also with Cova and people being at home, is people really thinking about where they spend their money, and not in terms of how much they spend like I'm not saying like everyone should become a monk right like people who have money and want nice things are still going to have them, but like pay attention to who you're supporting with money and like preach preach. That's my my diatribe on that. And it's hard because you have to look into it, it's not easy, you know for example. I decided a few months ago. Like I'm not buying books on Amazon anymore, I know I'm going to end up buying something from them, but it's not gonna be books, will then it turns out half the used book websites buying my suddenly thought I should google. Who owns this website? Amazon! So you have to do the research year. They're so funny because it was talking about the about like how we when you find when start to really do the research, look into the pipe line, you start to realize that everything is connected and our hunger for material things. You leases back into the material source of the people that we're trying to get away from. But. It because I just wanted to know that because I see like now there's a lot of different designers who who like you said with these publications and things. Maybe they will. People were starting to highlight them. You know man giving them the opportunity to show what they're doing. What they're textiles show what they're doing with their design. And I think like you said like these publications only show so much so people just assume these are people doing design. You end up seeing the same thing i. mean seeing the same thing over, and over again is boring so I hope that will really be able to see. I mean it's. It's hard. Right because there's sort of this line and we're always trying to figure out where to go, but I also don't want to sort of just blindly. Collect things right. Because that's not necessarily any better I don't know. I don't have the answers and I was thinking also when you start looking at pieces and things, and sometimes it's odors a charity or you're donating when you purchase, you know something and i. do think that it is important that you know, but that's like our own homework. You might now be seeing in our resources for these different artists, but. But I think that's important on our own homework to look and see these people are like people are skilled like there's so many artists in artisans craftsmen that doing amazing work in that when we want to purchase, something is because we genuinely love the art piece in genuinely love their work, not because it's a guilt trip, you feel bad. You're trying to help them certain way. It's also uplifting. Purely in positively note, the work is great in. This is why I'm getting and I. do think that is important. And? I, think you know heart of what my job as a designer is is to show people why something might be more expensive right like. It's going back to what I was saying like. If you don't care about design, get your stuff here. If you don't care about this do that like you can go to restoration hardware and bile the stuff in it might not look that different, but if you have the resources, you should buy a sofa that's made in an ecologically sound way made where people are paid fairly like I don't want to judge people that don't have the income and just need to fill their house and I don't want them to feel like I'm not able to buy beautiful things because I can't afford them, but if you can't afford them. You should buy things that are putting something better into the world, actually like the idea of vintage right because excellent vintages. Vintage clothes I close the accident. Close, we went to a vintage store. The other day did a reuse. Advantage to smell like reuse closed wouldn't wash properly, but I don't want to wear vintage clothes, but the ideal vintages something as being reused upside and it requires. More. Yeah yeah, they put more stuff is not like you putting remaking more stuff in the world to have to destroy and get rid of. It's like somebody had this coach nine hundred seventy seven, and it was a very nice piece, and it's still nice piece today like you could buy a piece of art. As the fact. So they actually I mean I love. It lasted. It lasted right, and you can always reupholstered. Things refinish things and I think then you also end up with something. That's got its own kind of story to it, and no one else has. Yeah! It's creating your story within your home within your things. Yeah. I love that. And I think you know, but there's some sort of power in the things that have already been around like they give off some kind of aura sometimes. I love that. Yeah, no, I think that's true, and like you said like bringing pieces that you a part of your family or have been passed down like implementing those things because now it's like you're bringing from the past, but then also you're creating your own through custom in so you're. You're starting a whole new piece for whoever's coming. Yeah, I mean I. Have a client who had a desk from her dad. She's a writer. He was a writer. He had passed away and we designed her office around this desk like all of a sudden six months, and she's like you know if the dust doesn't work like we'll just get something out. And I was like no. I will be failure like I would feel like a bad person. If I was like sorry, you're going to have to get rid of that. That's the No, and it looks beautiful, and it's not a room. We would have I mean. Here's the other thing. It stretches you as a designer to make things that don't like it certainly easy to be like. Pick a desk and pink collar and a lamp, and all of this at a nowhere. That looks good, or here's the thing that isn't really this woman's taste. It means something to her. How can we? Create something around that. That's beautiful and it's way better. Than when Chris Xu's about you, the mother to kids. How have you parenting strategies? Kinda changed from the first of the pandemic and too now like with the moving around black lives in the movement around inclusivity in America right now like if I was like a different having your kid talking about the safety of the world because of a disease and how you have to be cautious, but now. To talk to them about the importance of other people's lives and their stories as a parent. How do you captured it in? How do you? Communicate that which Oh that's interesting, right? We all stayed home because that's kind of what. The government and doctors told us to do and now not everyone, but a lot of us are leaving home and going in big groups, and saying well, I stay home. If I have trust in the government, and that's what they want me to do, but if that trust is broken, there are things that are more important than that's when you go. Talking about the importance of showing the life has value is an interesting conversation. Right, because just one of those conversations. Where is a kid? If you have to constantly remind them that they have value, have to constantly concert reminded that they matter. It's like you almost creating this offer like sometimes. Ukraine is Syndrome to them to like whereas like you're not good enough yet to. It's like, but at the same time it's part of the reality of. Where they live in a is is the remainder as a parent, the constant fight to not get overwhelmed by reminding your kids have value. At some point, you want your kids to be seeing just be valuable, because they're just human beings and exist right, and then as a parent, I feel like sometimes parents of color can get tired of like the reminders and the plight to constantly had that conversation over time. But, I Do is been A. It's been one of those things that isn't lightning because you don't know how. Your kids are taken in the world like you assumed the way that you take it in that they're taking in the same way, but your kids have different experiences, and you have those conversations with them and sometime having conversation with or without children especially older one. She does her incited so like so good I me also is where they get their information. You know like what are. Are Their sources, 'cause I always say you know our oldest is thirteen, and we have the conversations with her all the time, but before I start the conversation. I WANNA know. What do you already know you know and then? Why do you think that before I? Just throw it on you and you're like what like I don't get it. You know like our nine year olds. Sometimes she'll ask a question and I'll answer, and then she asked me the same question what? I just answered it to you, but it's how they're. You know what they perceive, also what they're seeing what they're hearing and that is kind of interesting. When you hear where the sources sometimes it's from a friend, or you know something that they took in, but they twisted it all up and they're like, but that's not what it is, and no, and so it's like that part of repeatedly going in and okay. Let's break this down because I do want to make sure that the understand you know by the time I walked away from that conversation, so they're not left with something that. Is just wrong facts, or you know somebody that's interesting. I feel like starting with. What are you already know I haven't done I mean. For me as a white mom, it creates so much more empathy when I realized that I'm having these conversations with my kids, and how much harder they are people of color, and like the fact that I'm explaining to my son that the police aren't good or what? The situation is and I'm like I'm so lucky that I didn't have to have this conversation earlier. It's like one of those things where like we? Do Star Wars Harry Potter. We have to show boys into. Who Twelve your slave yeah? Right because you got to find something with for them to relate to 'cause then that's why I'm saying. It's just information, or it's just words. It's going in one ear and out so it is important like how your kid learns, and how they understand things. Yeah, implement those things. And then continue with the dialogue. Just okay wait, so do you understand? Are you still fresh in that? You know for Middle? Child I keep going back and having to reframe rephrase until she like Oh. That's what you mean, and sometimes you do have to use something visually that they already know. Thank you so much for has with us to take been outstanding conversation because it was able to talk about something both. Very passionate about an on. I enjoyed talking to you. It's always fun. That's it that's it. That's the end you don't have listened to Michael Anymore, but come back next week for me on another episode of mouthpiece with Michael Emmy, Kelly Bennet please describe to or like so anything that you listen to Apple Stitcher spotify whatever you listening to to get away from your family wherever you don't WanNa be around and make sure you rate us or give us a comment, even though we don't talk about your comments, give us a comment. Mouthpieces of production of lemonade MEA which you could final line of also platforms at Lemmon media. You can follow me on social media. Moses breath seventy, two. I love bread and biblically. Our Start I was Moses. 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