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Alex Georges The Paris Hours Weaves Four Desperate Characters Together in One 24 Hour Post WWI Day
"Support for charlotte readers. Podcast is provided by charlotte mecklenburg library connector of readers leaders and learners with twenty locations and a twenty four hour online presence at c. m. library dot org welcome to charlotte meters podcast for authors. Give voice to the written words in this episode guest host about ward winning author david collins. We visit with award winning author. Alex george author of the paris hours. This book is set one day in the city of light in one night in search of lost time paris between the wars with artists and musicians a glittering crisp james but amidst the dazzling creativity. The city's most famous citizens for regular people are each searching for something they've lost. Lauren belfer newer task bestselling author of the city. Light and after the fire and recipient of the national jewish book award says this about the book unfolding over the course of one day in nineteen twenty seven in a city who citizens remain traumatized by the devastation. War one paris. Ours is a thrilling resistible. Moral miracle pros author. Alex george waste together memory loss in yearning portraying characters such vivid immediate sake. I can imagine myself walking beside them. Along the winding streets pairs sharing their stores. Riveting heartbreaking compassion paris our continues to halt. My name is landis weight. And i'm the host of this podcast. I'm recovering trial lawyer. Turn author turn podcast of books and stores. And i really appreciate you being here with us today. You can find out more about me and my website. Landis way dot com. And i'd love to have you visit for all things related to the podcast. Checkout charlotte raiders. Podcasts dot com. You can find a lot of resources there. 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I guess he's still practicing. I'm recovering. he's practicing anyway he He pressing listen the mid west and we'll talk on that patriot episode about independent bookstores and festivals. Because he's involved in both so stay tuned for that. I'll tell you more about that at the end. But now actually taking the todd cash rains and i've handing over to dave collins for dave to welcome alex to the show. Thank you very much. Landis and and alex indeed welcome. I like to begin by seconding lances estimate of The paris hours as thrilling Resistible marvel at seems to be the summit very nicely last time you and i sat down to talk about the books and writing and life We had food before us at sycamore And we had a great old time and then finally went over to the skylight bookstore to look at some of the books. We talked about We don't have good food in front of us today. But i hope we can kind of recreate a little bit of the energy of that My my lunch with andrei or in this case Moment i guess you could say could you. Could you tell us a little bit about yourself about your your history and paris about what it is that led you to want to write a novel set in paris. I of course and and festival. It's great to see you again dave. You're right it's not quite the same as sitting in front of you with a one of those amazing pork. Sandwiches from sycamore On my plate but almost as good almost so paris has long been a source of fascination for me. I know it has been for you as well I went to school. That in fact when i was thirteen years old my parents had had enough of me and say they sent me to boarding school In a preschool punt to us which is just south of paris. And then when i was in my early twenty s i worked as a as a lawyer And so i know the place pretty well and it's a place that i love to go back to and One of the things about writing books as you know is that it affords the opportunity to travel. Even if you don't actually ever leave you'll you'll house because you can go there and the imagination and so one of the reasons why i always wanted to write about paris was for that puppets so i could I could go and whether it was doing research whether it's actually telling my own story and effectively wander around the streets in my head and occasionally i would. I would write something on on social media. I say right. I'm off to paris. Of what i was doing. Was sitting down at five o'clock in the morning to write my book. And then i would get lots of can. Oh you lucky thing. Oh guiding than. I had to explain that no actually are actually go paris just discussing their in. My imagination said it was a it was a tremendous joy to To write the story and all such do the research as well which isn't always the case sometimes for searches is a Pain of but but it a necessary evil. But in this particular instance. I had a wonderful time during that Although the story of the research is is an interesting one in of itself. Because i when i began writing the book i thought i was going to tell a very different story and the origins the can trace quite specifically back to a particular wednesday evening and i know that it was a wednesday because i had just finished my Weekly ritual humiliation on the indoor soccer pitch With a team that. I used to play on and i hold back to my car and tend on the radio as i drive home chained to the local. Npr station plays classical music. And there was this wonderful piece of music playing that finish while i was still driving home and it was by rebel. And the announcer was explaining their providence. The peace house had been commissioned by The russian impresario says geog af and he went on to describe extrordinary team of creative genius. The day have had assembled around him. He was the he began labor. Or is this innovative And transformational dance troupe. And he had people like Marc seagal would paint the backdrops coco. Chanel would design the costumes and then revival and stravinsky would write the music. I mean my my brain was just blown apart. When i learnt all of this and i thought i sat there my car my sweaty soccer clubs and so this is my next book. I'm going to write a story about says yoga and you would have noticed that does not appear in my novel so a slight change of heart so i but that was where i started thinking about paris in the nineteen twenties and died in and i and i read a ton of critical staff and biographies and social histories and then i sat down right a completely different story Because i realized that what. I began to question whether or not it's I was ever going to be able to do justice to that collective genius And and that was a concern. And then i also began to question whether or not it was really necessary If you if you listen to reveal melody speaks for itself. You don't actually need someone like me to come along Hundred his latest. Tell you anything about it. So i decided to redraw the focus away from those lives and to tell full very different stories. And i think that by nature. I'm drawn to quetta stories anyway and so i decided to tell these stories of if you like ordinary people And there are still Well known characters who populate the the novel but very much. on the periphery rather than at its heart So it was. It was an interesting journey in that respect. It was not the story that i thought i was gonna tell i it was a story. I very much enjoyed in part. Because of the the the cameos by those people You know we've got. Everybody revolt preuss josephine. Baker sydney boucher gertrude stein. Sylvia beach pauline. Pfeiffer hemingway dos passos. I mean it's kind of a dazzling array in in a way i'm glad that you You steered clear of them and when you stare into them sometimes Your opinions of them are a little bit Diminishing shall we say particularly hemingway air very. Well wall he. He doesn't in more than one person have asked me that. What do you have a guy. Hemingway and the thing i mean. I'm not sure especially nice at the time. But i've nothing whatsoever but you know my job is a writer is to tell a story that is and detaining and as well as you know hopefully reflecting the historical record released to a degree And so you know. I had some fun with it alone. I mean there was. The story is set in twenty seven by then Hemingway this rather monstrous eager of his. was continually clashing clashing heads with gertrude stein. You had an equally large ego and an earlier draft. I had the two of them being quite friendly. And then i realized that by then note got actually wouldn't have been appropriate and they would have been rothermel. So there is a scene set in shakespearean company in the to them talking and And i and. I moved it from just talking to bickering. Which i think probably would have been more more appropriate given given where they were at that particular time so it was. It was fun on joe. I enjoyed doing that and Yeah i mean people are always gonna have have opinions about my opinions but they will ask the people at the center of your novel as it exists now. The four people saw in block ian A refugee from armenia. A guam blanca near duale. Who's struggling for success. John paul my yar a journalist who has a troubled history having lost his wife and he thinks his daughter camille clermont who a is was was a kind of a made for a marcel. Proust's they're a fascinating bunch and they're in their own right and i'm so glad you settled on them. I'm wondering how you pick those four and To a certain extent. I guess whether or not you would auditioned other characters before you settled on them. Why are they the best wants to take you through this story order. Good question and the answer is goes. You never really know quite how you land on particular characters and why they come to the forefront. I mean the the the one that i can. The and each of them has their own to origin story. If you like so a cami is very much based on myself. Proust's real life made. Whose name was celeste albuquerque. And she was the first one to sort of fall into place. And i was reading as part of that research. My thought was going to write that other book. I read a memoir. She wrote which is called monsieur And it's about her life with with preussen looking off to him as he was writing his his masterpiece and a lot of the details in the novel taken from that memoir and i read. I mean hundreds and hundreds of pages of biography about proust's but that was the most intimate the most personnel and had a look good juicy. Thanks a novus is always looking for when trying to tell a story. So i began with her and one of the Episodes that she talks about in. This memoir is being asked to burn these these two notebooks and when i read that I mean i was. I mean i'm just a person who after i've written a paragraph is is insistently pressing command s. Like saving everything. So the idea about this burning thirty. Two notebooks escaped severe connections in the first place but but immediately. I thought well that that's something that you. I wanna put into a book. I mean as as novelists i would say Magpies where forever flying around looking for bright shiny objects to pick up and putting all stories and that was one of those nine measly thought. Well yes that's a that's a good thing. And so then from that use of i began to think about while case. What if she didn't burn them all. And what if she one for herself and then what if there was something in that notebook that had ramifications that that something everybody thought had been destroyed was not destroyed so from that seed really everything else sort of grew so that was that was her story and then sarin blakey in story. is entirely different genesis and that was Again going back to the magpie. When i lived in london i I was not there on a large law firm. And i had a trainee whose name was rafi veru which is about as on meaning the name you can have i think and he and i became good friends and we both suffered from a common affliction which was a A lifelong love of football and we used to go outside of work. Every other saturday to watch our team play in the english premier league and before we did that we were going to have a pint a bit and a pup somewhere and during those drinks rafi told me about his meaning heritage and in particular about the atrocities that were visited upon his people. Back in in nineteen fifteen By the turks and the campaign that is still ongoing to have those atrocities recognized as genocide. And i just never forgot that story and one of the things one of the great privileges of being a novelist is the ability to shine a little light On stories and things that you think are important in the strikes speak to you and strike you in the heart. And i always still what i would love one day to to write about that but i never found the right vehicle for it until i suddenly found myself contemplating a novel set in the nineteen twenties in europe and i suddenly thought this is what i can do. I can bring this character and have him escape. The genocide and arrive in france and we can tell that story and then we can tell the story that he has. Once he arrived in paris that was where he came from the other two somewhat nebulous I mean i thought guillaume. I just felt that if you tell the story said in nineteen twenties pass. You've got to have a painter Because that's a lot of what people think about. They think about. How can they think about kosovo not these people. So i wanted to have a pain to that but Not a very good one. And so he said you'll to. These people was very much. On the periphery of that on the outside looking in probably a little jealous with to an and then when it came to john. Paul i mean as a writer myself i am interested in writing about rice's and so that was aware that that idea came from that character came from i was wondering about that. That was a follow up question. I had if you had a particular affection for sean poor and it seems you do as a writer writing about our any of his opinions yours. that's he has some opinions about america. And americans and americans going to paris to seek redemption and new salves and so on and so forth a little bit. I mean you know. He loves america. And i love america. I mean You know. I've lived here for eighteen years now and i'm not going home so You know i so unlike him. I actually made it obvious which says so. I guess i should consider myself fortunate. But i think that a lot of the things. He his thoughts about it Wants that chat particularly you know. He talks about He thinks about how many americans believe that. By moving country you can somehow escape your demons And that is not the case Geography is not a salve You know you'll still going to be the same person when you arrive in new places you are on the place And that that the speaking of somebody who's who You lifted up his life and his family and moved full thousand miles into the middle of a different country. I can feel. I can speak to that with several thirteen. I'm still the same person i was before. So i'm say this was if two things for sure yes absolutely. They came from the heart. It's it's interesting that his his comments on not being able to escape the past almost become a kind of commentary on of the fate of Who clearly can't escape. It passed it haunts him every day and ultimately in a certain sense catches up with Yes it does. And i think that but it applies retool four four of the characters. You'd we improved before the the most usual constellation of his novel is in search of lost time And that could in many ways be taken as the sort of the the a sub title For the book. As a whole. Because i think all four of these characters are looking backwards. back to earlier at times And all four of them in different ways discovering that there is no going back something. The land is picked up very nicely. I think in his introduction to the podcast today. I wonder if this would be a good point to pause and ask you to do a brief reading from the novel so that we could get a bit of a flavor of the pros absolutely so i'm going to read from very near the beginning of the book. So we've talked about these characters and we All the way through the book until the very last chapter The the story is told in strict rotation so we have each character into and what i'm going to read is from the first time that we meet poland in fact the person who we would just just talking about the the writer who has a love affair with america and this chapter is called rhapsody palmira closes his eyes and dreams of america needle touches the spinning vinyl with gentler. Sigh of static. He listens spellbound that clarinet. The first low trill fat with promise. Then the solar was sent to the heavens soaring smoothly through the regis's by the time that ecstatic kind note limpid and beautiful pause into his ears. John-paul has made his escape. He sweeps through the open window onto the back and down the streets of the my high streaking westwood across the city in a moment his flying over the dock waters of the atlantic. The music beckons simone. He souls high over the city. Skyscrapers silhouette his for the taking. He has the rumble of the harlem bound. A train in the orchestra's propulsive rhythms low and sweet. He has new worlds. And the piano blistering attacks images streak poss- like the on rushing traffic hustling down the hours straight avenues. Perfect lines of shimmying high kicking chorus goes that cherry red lips glistening the spotlights a livery dolman striding onto the busy street his hand outstretched for yellow cab elegant makers pushing through the door bottles shop dressed men returns shoes hats pulled down low huddle close on the street corner when pull my dreams of america. He dreams of new york city but there's dazzling syncopation. Do not lost appa. The music ends. The spell is broken reluctantly zone. Paul opens his eyes. America retreated as it always does and his shabby french apartment remains. He looks around. The place used to be so bright and tidy said clean now every services coated with a passenger of ancient dust. The wool piper stays slow escape from the wolves. Adult brownstein has the next corner of the. The gramophone is still going around the silence gently punctuated by the soft rhythmic. Bump of the needle against the spinning vinyl as regular as a tiny heartbeat. He doesn't get up to switch it off. He likes the sound john. Paul looks at the dim morning light creeping across the apartment window. It's been years since you slept through the night in the early hours of every morning. He's ruined leg dragon from sleep. Then he sits in his armchair listens to george gershwin and thinks about the lights of manhattan. That is a beautiful passage. Indeed and and i your reading of it was was exquisite. It reminds me of course if something you mentioned just a few minutes ago with that in a certain sense the paris hours begin with you. Listening to reveal on the radio and listening to a discussion after that That passage you know Which focuses on the way music can carry us away to to place his undreamed of a and and you know that. I don't know respectful. Admiration of lobau with the the arts is is all through the paris. Our of you know soren is a puppeteer. He's a man of the theater. And you know as i as. I read your descriptions about the kind of puppet plays. He does in a language that the children listening to him can't understand And the nature of those shows much darker than what shoulder would usually get made me made me think about you. Know a what we want From from theater like that we all must of course a painter but most of all in the book for me. It's the music you know. You've just read that beautiful passage about gershwin You know We have of course sediba shea at the end of the scene of the shallow But most of all it seems to me we have rebel Soren awaken the saw early in the book Listening to a piano player down stance who turns out to be maurice rafael And and you know you have a beautiful description of that Piece there that goes on for five or six paragraphs again and then that same description is repeated word for word When a john paul Awakens after being wounded at the battle of april The only difference being change intense. It slips into the past tense in that second repetition. There would you talk a little bit about Incorporating other arts into a novel a particular For my benefit at least as a writer who aspires to do this You know Waste right about the other arts that that. Bring them forward Ways that make you feel the music. The way you you'll make me feel it. What i read the paris hours. Well i think you've hit the nail on the head davis it's all about feeling One of the challenges of rising about other media often in in in the immediate is just words on a page. Is that the challenges that you have the tools available to you to really convey What the music actually sounds like so we have to rely on metaphor And that is really hard. But it's also a challenge and when you get it right. It can be quite rewarding. So i very much the and the piece that i Describe that you so kind to talk about It's actually the way that it's described in. The book is not how it exists in the real world. It's actually the third movement of the revolt piano trio. Which is i think my favorite piece of music of all time. And it's a gorgeous doc. Doc peace with this low cello and and this high violin and And i'd sort of in my head translates it all into a solo piano piece and all i did i remember very clearly where was when i wrote that and Very unusually for me. I actually sat down with a pencil and a piece of paper and some headphones. And i listened to the peace on repeat and i just wrote down impressions and thoughts. The words as they occurred to me. And i must have listened to it and i know the piece by heart anyway of course but i must have listed five or six times just again and again and again and really immersing myself in the piece And the. I arrived at the end of that process with pieces of paper with words on them and then i sort of knitted them together. In a way that at the end of it. I would read it go. Well that's working for me because that's what we believe it in the end is to I mean i didn't know what what that description is going to do for anybody else. I do know that it has sent people to the rebel pace which swirls me Lots of people have written to me and have said well the because of this. I have gone to listen to the rebellion and i love it and it was gorgeous and that makes me very happy. But it's you know. I it's a challenge to do and that's one of the reasons why i do it and that applies to i think in particular And again was sydney basha. I loved writing about his performance in the chevron the end but it's a very different kind of feel that you're trying to do that while i was trying to do that than i was. Trying to. convey the motion of the of the rebel. Peace at sibley with the there's different i mean music one of the things it does. Of course his two. It creates emotions in the listener and as i said before everyone has different emotions in different responses to these things so all i can do is to is to reflect. Reflect what i feel so that was. That was fun. I enjoyed doing that. And i always enjoyed writing about music from any what was different. This time was. I set right about painting to And and won't painting in particular that keeps cropping up in the book and that was a very interesting but very different kind of a An exercise for me. Because there was no metaphor i was actually describing the picture on the On the canvas but whether the imagination came in was i made up the picture a so it was. I was employing a different bit of my sort of crazy brain. I suppose that we of people asked me. Where did that come from the onset. I have no idea. I mean they're really some of the little details. That the crop top. While i was describing that picture just came out of left field and it's one of the things. You did not too many questions about you. Just put it down and we will us too many questions so Yeah it's it's i. I love writing about that stuff. I mean i think that ought is the fuel for so much of an a a rich and fulfilling life and so it makes sense to me that even these people who is struggling with with so much loss and so many other things they find a sanctuary and so listen this thing so i very much wanted to write about it. I you know. When when i think of that that painting the thing that sticks in my mind is the blue door which is totally out of place. And it's. it's the sort of thing that i think i might invent as well although i can't do it now since you've done it. You are very specific about paris You'll you'll you mentioned in your your general introduction here The amount of research that you did in various and sundry places and ways for this it of course some of this. I don't suppose research you've got your own knowledge of paris ta to fall back on but when you write about parish very specific about lok ancient you know we know that john paul lives on the rhubarb bet We know the camille clam also tell us on the on the We know where where pro slips you know when you trace a walk that saw and takes when he's following the two armenian men you follow him. As he crosses the river and walk with him up the rudy schalke pash and follow him all away Up to a sylvia beaches book bookshop. There you know Did you ever worry. When you were writing those passages or or you know Exhibiting your your knowledge of paris that you would lewis readers who didn't know paris so well as yo fuel do know that actually never occurred to me I wanted to do was to get to get that stuff right So you know one of my But marks on my web browser for years and years was the the paris google maps. I would just go ahead and make sure that when i was having Who john-paul. When he walks from pella hsieh's goes down to the middletown. I just wanted to make sure that. I was going to make him go through the right streets and things like that. I i wanted to put the details in with some of those things but hopefully they would never gratuitous. It was always. There was a purpose in mind when i was naming streets. That was usually a reason for it. Like for example. The thing about little shaky fish. I can't quite remember what i said but it was there was there was a that was a remark that was associated with it about people fishing. right so so it was more to do with. I was trying to as i say most people need to get it right to get the topography correct and so if you go down the street and ten right then you're not going to be needs to be what you're supposed to be But it was more a question of just creating an atmosphere And it said it. Right about paris. I think probably read more about anybody a about paris and i know that you have your extraordinary catalogue of books Asset that but it's a real challenge because Everybody thinks they know about paris and When you are writing about it. I think there's a balance that needs to be struck between giving the rita something new and unexpected but also giving them enough of what they know of what they think they know so that there is the familiar there as well and that's a that's a and occasionally balance to strike And so a lot of what i was doing was my best and just just trying to do that. i mean i did make a decision very early on that i was going to keep the action away from the more obvious landmark. So we don't see the off. The the eiffel tower is they're always in the distance in the ways look tat somewhat riley by the the citizens of the town who still scratching the head about it in nineteen twenty seven quite sure to make but hopefully that was enough to To to to give to to posit the rita in the place but also there's enough mystery that that s stupid which fired as well to me. The names of those streets alike. A kind of magic incantation. You know they they summon up all kinds of associations My guess would be that even if you are not so familiar with parents. They still have something of that effect. You know they're they're they're like a contemporary equivalent of saying abracadabra or or something to that effect some jump in folks. I've been fascinated by this interview and the book as well Before i tell you what we're gonna do next with With dave and alex. I just have you got a taste out at the beginning that in addition to being all these other things Alex is a lawyer. Have to ask this question. Alex eva greatness. You've written us. Very literary prose coming is a lawyer myself that this. I'm just wondering. What did you have to teach yourself to accomplish this task. Well it's there. I still practicing law for my sins. And i do. I cool put law and estate planning. So i don't i think so that you're you said you're recovering trial law so you and i have very different different ways thinking about these things but when i draw documents whether it's a trust or whether it's a south poached screaming. My main job is to make sure that that zero ambiguities and zero chance for anyone to be on care about what is supposed to happen. And i've been doing that for twenty five years now. So i kind of an headlights income. Quite good at it but in france away. So it's like the writing novels like the absolute reverse of that and what you're trying to do is rather we were just saying about costing spells and setting the reader free to roam the streets of paris. Even if they haven't been there before is that you'll try to light light. These fires and then let the reader's imagination go off in all sorts of different directions which you can't control so it's it's like one is the antithesis of the other So you know. I and i think that's kind of my my office. It's kind of like it's more knowing what not to do. Well listen I wanna thank First of all listeners. We're going to jump over to our pay channel ta triton dot com forward slash charlotte readers. Podcast on word and david together gonna talka- more with alex we're gonna talk about This thing called independent bookstores and book festivals. And because he's connected to both. In the first. I wanna thank dave first of all. Thanks for leading the scrapes gushing today. Most welcome landis and alex. Thanks for being a part of charlotte raiders. Podcast of course it was a real pleasure. Thanks for having me. That's it for today. Another found author giving voice to the written words. You can subscribe to this podcast for free at apple podcast. Stitcher spotify heart radio. Most any podcast platform. You like to listen to your podcast. If you like what we're doing. 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Ep. 9 Life and Times of Ernest Hemingway and Edgar Allan Poe
"Hey Weirdo that walk guys across the college English passive the number and then he became best friends. But this is the podcast for you. Walk away happy hour gets weird. I found out some very interesting information I wanted to share with you. This real quick. Okay okay what so. Did you know that that well scared. No it's cool. Okay so I. It's like this season of cozy sweaters right So I'm wearing a cozy sweater today and I tucked it in because I'm a short person. So I feel like taking things in Tab Yuan Gates my legs But it also highlights my fighting punch. Okay so the other night when I we're out and we had a big dinner. And he was like I've added to my fighting pooch like what in the actual actual fuck. It's a fighting Putin. Yeah I've never heard that before while he heard on good authority that mountain lions during mating season grow of fighting riding pooch in front of their internal organs because when they fight that finding pooch hence the name fighting boot protects their internal organs. I thought you're going to saint in front of their deck. So that other outlines can't kick him in the Dick. I where is about lines Dick. Actually I don't know we're GONNA have had to Google at heart anyways so I didn't know that this whole term roll myself a fighting boot metoo. It's self preservation so any of you do not not have fighting boot. Kiss your internal organs. Goodbye you need to suck in work on but anyways I just thought that was kind of funny little fact about mountains pooches than I that is really both of those things. Hi everybody hello fighting food. Hello welcome welcome back. Welcome to our podcast. We talk about weird stuff and have cocktail. Yeah we'll and this week we're doing something a little bit different but both I mean different from what we've done so far but Near and dear to both of our hearts I well we shall see by the end of this episode. Tiffany and I just take a little Mama. Usually we're kind of like what talking heads Amish podcasts. We don't really do hear my ice. Let's go to the anyways. Okay I'm an I digress. So tiffany and I met. What would you say ten years ago propel more than that at twelve? We were in English class in Iowa's mediocre at best. I I was just faking it till I made it really. And we met in his class and we instantly Kinda bonded over the cast of character class with us in this one group project classmate we had he talked in such a low voiced by the end of his speech feature. Whatever we were in his lap we were leading into making out with his base here? He was the quietest obviously I don't have that problem he was. It was quiet person. Might what is at mead on the muppets or whatever his name frigging needs or meet meet certain meats who was awful but then another classmate who had I dunno Ingram toenail issues. I don't know but she had like an entire body size bandage wrapped wrapped around her big toe and but then chose to wear open toed shoes that day like every day for like a week. Maybe this has ended. We're just wondering. What are you doing anyways so we just wanted over that and I remember the first time? Tiffany said something to me. I was wearing one of those like sulky knitted beanie half and I and me being like antisocial bottle than I am. You will only relate your house you can see it under my hat and she felt like Oh what a it. I thought that you thought the first time we talked. I asked her gum. When I was really overnight in time debut back like a crumpled pack of gum so hung over? I couldn't believe it. It was one of the gums that were stuck in the side and he liked tried to pull it out and end of like just mingling the whole thing and then handed this gun bag. It looked like if breaking Grizzly XLII bear opened. It and I was like okay sticky so we kinda bonded over that class and we've been friends ever since so this week anyways in in now story longer external allegra take the longest way to get to the short point than any to make we each chose are two. Would you say favorite authors. Yes two of our favorites and we're GONNA do the life and times of each of our favorite authors Caluzzi choose. I chose Ernest. Hemingway and I chose Edgar Allan Poe. I will say Hemingway's probably I don't know if he's my favorite but he's like like top ten. Okay Paul I think would be probably my top five but like they say. Don't meet your heroes. Yeah definitely would WANNA PO. Yeah Yeah it's a you know you learn about the real people but they actually were which is and many governor quite as cool as you're not going to be then it also comes to like separate the artists from the art. Yes you know what I mean is should we be doing that or may be be not doing that. I don't know that's like a whole `nother episode. But anyways today Po and Hemingway we're both raging alcoholic so so like the drinks were kind of open. Yeah but I had read that PLO liked to enjoy a festive cocktail. And it just happens to be the festive time of year so we thought we would make Eggnog Mudslides Yup and actually. I'm not the biggest eggnog Fan. But it's pretty good. I like it a lot with the COLUSA. Oh I'm working on my second. Ah It's delicious. It is quite delicious and it's dude ask also we're back after taking a week off and we're both the older. Oh Yeah do you feel your ideal I feel old in my bones. I I do I feel it in my soul I S- thirty three going on seventy four. All right. Should we get into. Let's get straight away into it. I'll stop the bullshit and you can just get into. I'm going to go first. Yes you will i. I'm okay so we're going to get into this mysterious creature. Edgar Allen Poe Edgar Allan Poe was born January nineteenth eighteen o nine. He's old timey. He was born on the cusp of Capricorn and Aquarius. So someone born on. The cusp of two signs has has Both traits like me. I'm the first day of Sagittarius. So that is at the cusp. Yeah you have Scorpio and Sagittarius deteriorate. Switch what handful I do feel like you're more Scorpio unsanitary. I'm also Sagittarius than I am definitely one hundred percent full on noncommittal will sagittarian anyway so he was driven in Moody like a Capricorn and unique rebellious like an Aquarius. Warn to a great and well-known actress allies OPPO. She was beautiful. She was a great singer. She was a great actress. Listen she was well loved by her audiences. She traveled. She came from England. Her parents died on the boat on the way over and she was taken in by jazz musician group and grew up as an actress on the road traveling United States. That's a cool less. It was pretty cool. She was adored and she was also very tiny. Interestingly enough she met David Poe in the same acting company and he was shit actor and they had three children together. Edgar was the middle of three children. He had an older brother named Howard. And when David was to or when Edgar was to David abandoned ended his family his two sons and his pregnant wife let us shit yeah he after shutdown prevention pretty much and at this time they were traveling. They're acting company was in Richmond. Virginia and they're putting on shows. Eliza gave birth to Edgar's little sister. Rosalie Rosalie and a year. Later she became ill and died of consumption. which is old timey speak for? Tuberculosis CLOSYS and spoiler alert. Every fucking buddy had to work in this story so in Richmond. A group of wealthy women took took allies in as a charitable case before she died in nursed her on her deathbed and then when she died. Two of those women took into the children in that sweet. Yeah one being Edgar who was three at the time. He was taken in by John and Fanny Allen in who lived in Richmond. Virginia and Rosalie. WHO's one was taken in by family? Called Mackenzie Hansie. who was also enrichment so edgar was very lucky to grow up kind of in the same neighborhood is a sister? Rosalie Howard. The older brother was sent back to to live with his parents. His father's parents in I want to say Boston or Baltimore anyways. But it's not about Howard so it doesn't really matter where he lived. Po grew up in a wealthy family. John was a successful tobacco merchant. He was Nash he he was national and internationally selling although somewhat spoiled pose mostly treated as award of John like a business world rather venison he who is actually never formally adopted he was always just a foster son at one point he did call Jon Allan Father. And he called fanning ending maw. But they never formally adopted him and I think that was always Po had a chip on his shoulder from that. Yeah in my opinion opinion. So fanny loved him dearly. Loved him like a son but she was very sickly league and most of the time was too sick and preoccupied with her own health issues to like properly care for Edgar and give him attention that he desperately wanted from a mother figure when he was six Jon Allen movie entire family to England for five years as a matter of fact Edgar Allan Poe is co is the name of his father and Alan. He took on the name. Some of the couple. Who brought him in? Oh so that's where Alan comes from. Now Yeah even though. They didn't adopt him. I'm actually in Jon. Allen is kind of a Dick but Yeah he always was like but they're kicking themselves now. I mean he was always like just desperate for any kind of like father figure or mother figure in his life really a mother figure so they moved to England for five years and then the tobacco industry accountable like tanked so they moved back to Richmond and back in Richmond Poe attended a private way Kademi which was kind of the norm for elementary school in eighteen hundreds where he excelled At literally everything everything he did he did well. POW was great at everything. He was great at Sports He. He was particularly great at swimming. Running shooting he loved. Schoolwork key was just really you. You would think a gothic one of America's first GOTHIC writers wasn't I don't know a athletic harrow type. I guess that he was very athletic. And and he was very great. Definitely wouldn't have thought that from the like the caller pictures that you look you see I know right. Could you imagine pose head like swimming. He likes swam in the channel just channel in Virginia scholar. Maya was the color it was it was A. He's like. Oh floaty apparently had a very giant forehead and I think it just floated mostly but it turns out his favorite poet Byron. You probably know Byron He did the same thing he did. A swimming competition so pose it was Kamler tribute to him anyways. He was good everything he was especially good at languages switches in particular Latin. He learned French. He learned Latin. He was top of his class. He was great and at the age of fourteen while attending pending Matt School. Edgar met one of his schoolmates. Mothers and her name was gene standard and he quickly became infatuated with her. Not In a weird way. But like as a mother figure. Because Fanny was preoccupied with guess. What turberculosis He at one point kind of latched onto Roselli's adopted mom who they did officially adopt his younger sister. Burn- you know so we kind of latched onto a little bit. It didn't really work out. But when he met Jane he really leave. They had a connection his mom having died so young. Then Fanny Rostov might just settle that Was Feeney a popular name. Yes it was a very bob. There's five women in this story Vani. Yeah I had a person. CNN mind too. Yeah so and it was. France says and that's what fanny wishart or but it prentice. It makes me laugh because every time we're being like a dead my husband and I like if he doesn't WanNa do anything or he's been grumpy or a same for me it. We call each other Francis like okay Francis. Or don't we have France's take the name Francis Makes me laugh and Fannie may be you 'cause sometimes your nickname. It's not a nickname that idea particularly like it wasn't endorsed that nickname it. It just happened so he took to Jane almost instantly. She resembled both allies. OPPO and fanny. His posture mom. She was sickly and she was also in the throes of deep depression so he seemed to be attracted to that. PLO would go to Jane's House News Unhappy Home in. She would come for him but like most things in life. It didn't last very long in after only a year of knowing her Jane died at the age of thirty one Show there's another woman in his life who did not live up to his expectations Because she died but it was said that Paul visited her grave often after the death of Jane Po became distant and depressed and he. Just I wasn't I don't know if it was puberty. He was fifteen so I don't know if he was just God. Everybody fucking dies that I love you know. I don't know if what was it didn't really say a lot of people probably are inclined. Lanta what I did. Not Cite my source outsiders. Now Oh my goodness okay. So war got all listen. Information from is a book that I read and if you love a rails to move Sir I recommend it with like the no offense to this author if you suffer from Insomnia Psalm. The Co please read this book few suffering from being too fun you will one hundred percent sure fall asleep every time you you try to read it but it was. It's called Edgar. A Poe a biography mournful never ending remembrance it seemed never ended really really an mournful I felt mournful and it say by Pulitzer Prize astle winning author Kenneth. Silverman actually was a good book. It was just so much information and it was so now I know I know cacao dry it's just informational because they can't it has to be and I wanted something a little bit juicier like I'm lazy in the way that I don't want hot interpret the juicy -ness of a story like I just want to be told planing clear plain and simple the juicy nece but you have to like interpret it anyways. So Yeah Jane Dyer he was. He was upset after he became like kind of depressed. And in probably your average fifteen year old but nugget Jon Allen His foster parents or foster dad miss took that as in gratefulness and this is when they they started to butt heads head-spinning time and it never really stopped until Jon Allen died it was bad it got really bad so po attended the the after primary school. Poets ended the University of Virginia in. Its very first year. It was chaotic and organized and it was kind of crazy easy so Jon Allen sent him to the University of Virginia with I would say the book said a certain number but I'm just GONNA say like maybe half of what he needed to cover his tuition and books and living expenses. I mean I'm like Oh Akeso. We didn't give you enough money for college blue but he also spent six dollars that on a servant all is it hard for me to feel bad for him. Yes why did serve in call it. I don't know but he did get so port. While point. He had to start burning his furniture for warmth. The what why didn't his servant Bernie's furniture for this urban college. He burned the servant for so I don't now anyways. He complained that Jon Allen didn't give him enough money and he was stressed out and people are making fun of him because he was so poor so anyways Po and this isn't really known if he resorted to gambling to pay for his debts or he fell into gambling and then at crude major debts But he unfortunately started. Gambling accrued a ton of debt and then came back to Richmond a year after he started university. But you think oh man only a year but that was about the average time that someone went to university in that in eighteen hundred a year So that was an outside of the ordinary. He wanted to stay but he just didn't have any money and he was just occurring more debt so po came back to Richmond with debt collectors. Honest Drill Edgar. Actually while he was away he was secretly engaged to his neighbor and her name was. Oh what what was her name Sarah Elmira Any came back home from from university and they go to this party up the neighbor's house which he thinks is like just a total total. You know get together turns out. It's an engagement party for his childhood. Sweetheart she's engaged to another and he is like his whole world is wrecked like it is wreck turned upside down one thing about Poe. He is very dramatic and he was very sensitive. When it came to I matters of the heart I could see I believe it? So he just really leaned into his misery. Victory at this point and became more like despondent and John and John Alan his foster father in Edgar his feud really came to a head and John threw out out of the house but not before Edgar could declare that he was leaving so it was like you're fired. You can't fire me 'cause I quit kind of thing. Hey Hey moved out of the house. He lived on the streets for a while and he wrote any published a couple things he wrote to John. Begging for money said he was starving are being in John Pretty much neck And he moved in Edgar moved Busta so in eighteen. Eighteen twenty seven at the age of Eighteen Edgar published his first writings and it was a forty page book called Tamburlaine and other poems then he joined the army and no one really knows why he joined the army. I think is because he didn't have another way to make money. Yeah and he was like homeless. Yes yeah so. He had no choice but to join the army. He enlisted for standard five years but he also lied about his age. She said he was twenty two when he was eighteen and he also listed under the name Edgar Perry. Why would he lie about his? I don't know old enough. I don't know I I don't know that's bizarre. It was bizarre And also use a fake name. Strange I don't I really can't I can't understand it so he he did well in the army he did really well in the army actually. He rose ranks quickly And he grew to the high. Excuse me while just myself He he rose to the highest rank. He could get without any any more training but As you come to see about Poe he doesn't really have a good follow through about two years in he was tired. Tired of the army entire following following orders so he went to his commanding officer. Knee asked to be released. He said Hey. I'm actually not twenty two. I am twenty Melissa when I was eighteen us this fake name. This is who I really am. I really want to get out. And his commanding officer knew that there was strain between gene at guerlain's foster dad in He said fine. I will release you but I want you to reconcile with your foster debt so at cruise like slayer pretty loosey-goosey with the enlistment rules back then. Well here's the thing about Poe. He was strange he was a hard worker but he was non-committal he was driven but he didn't have any follow through. He was more of like a big picture. Turf finger like a always looking ahead And he made a Lotta enemies but a lot of people seem to take a liking to him like very Important people took a liking to him like this commanding officer. For whatever reason he liked Po- So he was like sure. Sure I'll do it for you but you need to do something for me family's important to me and I think you should reconcile. So he tried and Jon Allen Said said okay. I'll I'll give you my permission to leave the army. Because at first he was like no everybody else has to do five years. What's so special about you? Nothing you need to finish your term. You need to keep the commitment but then Edgar you know they wrote back and forth in. He said fine. I I will give you my blessing lessing and we can reconcile if you apply to west point and was like fine whatever it takes to get out of here so He was Just before he was allowed to leave he got correspondents. Indi- that fanny. His foster mom was ill very ill. And he was given a allowance to leave and he went home to see her. He wasn't told in TIME ANY MR death by day on now he was very upset by that. And I think that's one of It's an in the book while it insinuated in the book. That was one of his one of his guilt that he carried with him for the I was like the left and didn't correspond with them. Were coming visit and then joined. The army was gone. Two more years and then didn't make it back tickled by. He really did love his foster mom. Fanny so after fanny died. He was discharged. Jon Allen got all of his ducks in a row all of his paperwork his lineage. He got a ton of letters of recommendation from US senators. He is all of his clout to get this application application ready for West Point and permitted in he made it in and he started West Point. Let's see well unfortunately he. He lasted less than a year. Or my like I said lack of vulgar he was charged with disobeying orders and insubordination. He Ab I think for few weeks. He'd stopped going to classes a couple of his of his classes and He refused to go to church after serve being told to go by his commanding officer and he pled guilty to most of the charges. There's one he didn't feel guilty to but let's doesn't that's neither here nor there. In eighteen thirty one he was put on trial at West Point. He pleaded guilty and he was expelled after he left West Point. He was completely pretty much completely disowned by Jon Allen who caught him out of his will and the practically other than aside from a few letters he they never spoke again. I know S- preset. He tried to see him on his deathbed But he had remarried at that time and he made such a scene in the house stat. The new wife refused to let him come back on the premises and he didn't he didn't He made it when he when Jon Allen was on his deathbed but he told him to leave immediately. He liked bursts into the room. Like Fatah's way up the stairs versus the room to say goodbye really. We wanted to make amends. I don't know if you wanted to make amends because he loved John. Eleanor because he wanted money from Jon Allen I dunno but he caused a big stink and wasn't allowed there again and he actually blamed the whole thing on Jon Allen for kind of forcing sourcing him to go to West Point So after West Point Edgar Allan Poe moved to New York and it's a time period. Sorry it after that worried virtually unknown when he did nobody knows what he did or how survived all that's known as he did get sick. A was bedridden and the only reason they know that. Because they found a letter from Edgar Allan to Jon Allen that he was sick and he was like bleeding out of his ears and he he was delirious and he needed some money because he was poor and starving. Sick Jon Allen never replied And then you know I think Jon Allen had groomed Edgar Allen Poe to be a businessman and went edgar wanted to follow his dream of becoming a writer on a poet it kind of really pissed him off and I think he never forgave Edgar for that so in eighteen thirty one then after recovering from his sickness in New York Edgar made his way to Baltimore were his biological dad's family was originally from come in the next three years are kind of also mystery has periods of where nobody really knows what he was doing but he lived with his father's sister. Maria clem any colder muddy and her two children she had a son and a daughter and the daughter was Her name was Virginia Clem so in Baltimore he was poor. They were all kind of poor and He was writing and he did write stuff in half stuff published but it was in the day where publishers were publishing but they were paying for it so he didn't really make any money on the whole time. He was still L. pleading to Jon Allen to send money and he wouldn't eat never sent any money. Po was interested in some women around Baltimore and he wrote them love letters and poems actually. His cousin Virginia would run act as a courier for him. Take the little love letters around on. Es so this is work. It's interesting in a little bit uncomfortable. Po Hello eventually turned his attentions towards Virginia. His cousin. He's twelve year old cousin. Oh my God and mm-hmm yeah they He became interested in her in professed his love to her. He's like twenty five twenty six okay and it was just two weeks. After she turns thirteen that he decided he wanted to marry her so he had gotten an offer back in rich. So He's he's in Baltimore. This time he had gotten off her back in Richmond to like Permanently right for a paper He was excited because he was dead. Broke and and this is around the time. That magazines started to become very popular so he was very much interested so he went to Virginia and met with White. The owner of the magazine Zine or the Editor of magazine one of the other. He was offered the job but then muddy who was his aunt his brothers sister Sent him a letter and said we are poor. Where starving can take care of each other and our other cousin like Nelson Nelson? Po has offered to take us in and Po lost his fucking mind. He was like no no. He was so worried at the idea of Virginia moving away because he felt like he would lose her forever because nobody kind of approved of the marriage. Oh Weird. They weren't on board. Okay yeah he actually actually begged and pleaded in this letter. This is what he wrote to her. In read from the book he wrote Mile. Love my own sweetest. syfy my darling little wifey think well before you break the heart of your cousin Eddy all right so gross right So Po was given the job. He he worked at the paper and he got this letter and he like poof vanish. He ran back to Virginia so quick because he was worried that once they left with this other cousin as in they they would try to keep them separate in this and that so he ran back to Richmond. And I'm GonNa read out of the weapon. They joined as Blood Relatives Virginia. Being the daughter of his father's sister first cousin marriages were not unusual at the time. But Virginia's was opinion about the appropriate Merrin. Age For women differed and women in the South Mary younger than those in other sections yet to marry at the age of thirteen was extremely rare and as Neilson Poe. The other cousin who offered did. Most people would have considered Virginia far too young so I think Neilson Poe was like post Edgar's Outta town on. This is a chance to cut a take Virginia out of that situation for PLO. However her age consisted constituted part of her appeal even earlier earlier he had flirted with his fourteen year old cousin Elizabeth and his manner addressing and referring to Virginia and usually as Sissy or sis are my darling darling little wife itself suggests a preference for a childlike rather than immature or even simply a young woman later events in his life make make this preference more obvious but it is in his present feelings of helplessness? Po Rather experienced himself also as the child which it does kind of make sense. It's not right but it does make I think he was like emotionally stunted He experience a lot of trauma. A lot of mother. Figures figures in his life died and also a lot of the mother figures in his life were small. I didn't her mom just seeing now. Childlike sickly I duNno interest. Does she have to have an adult's signature on this. I situation I I don't know don't meet your heroes folks Bro. It's kind of depressing truly. So you know I- anyways Virginia loved Him I. I don't know it was weird. And sometimes sometimes Paul even made his age younger like he was two or four years younger than he actually was. He would tell people or write his age to be younger so he was just an odd odd odd duck then all three event muddy. Virginia and Edgar Allan Poe on return to Richmond as engaged or married. I think they secretly got married. And so does the author of this book making they secretly got married In Baltimore and then went to Virginia or went to Richmond Virginia so he could work doc at that magazine so he worked as a A writer and a literature critic at the Southern Literary Messenger Messenger was magazine. He actually was a savage when it came to critiques. Actually nicknamed him Tomahawk 'cause he was so savage edge He spent sixteen months in Richmond during which Po in Virginia had a public wedding after she turned fourteen. mm-hmm thank God. They waited and he even listed her in some of the paperwork as being twenty one which was not that she was she. She was fourteen but the person who did the marriage a Lutheran pastor. They told him he was fifteen and on the marriage Bond Virginia was listed is twenty. One Poa again started Iraq. Up Enemies in Richmond with his. Hearse critiques Also there was a lot of rumors swirling around roundabout Alan Jon Allen. Jon Allen had died at this point and he was loved in Richmond and the way that you know the rumors were that Poe oh was not kind sun and grateful and ungrateful or or whatever so he had to get the fuck out of there so a long time goes by any kind of disappears from everything. There's a couple of years in and out and he's still publishing his works but not making any money. He's really gaining some fame but not really a lot He didn't really become majorly famous till the Raven and that was towards the end of his life and he didn't really become famous. It wasn't doesn't like a van Gogh situation where he was never able to sell anything while he was alive. But it wasn't like a Justin Bieber Situation Ernest Hemingway situation and he was was making bank. Yes he was barely making. It has some notoriety. Could be worse. Yeah so he POPs up in Philly early in eighteen. Forty any started writing for Burton's Gentleman's magazine were he actually accused longfellow plagiarism. Oh my God balls on this guy I I swear so He left Burton went to another magazine. Burton accused him drinking a job. And totally wrecking everything. Poe Pote denied it. He's been another six years in Philly bouncing around for magazine a magazine and then he came across Rufus. Griswold who would it ended up being one of Poe's biggest enemies he really pissed off what he did. A bad review is poems and there are few you would last until after was dead so it's eighteen forty five him in Virginia are Mary. Virginia's I think twenty four this time she is also sick with consumption. Oh my God to Berkeley. I told you everybody fucking died of tuberculosis in this story on. Sushi's like sickly. They live in you. Know out in the They're just about to leave Philly and they are going to move to your but back in the day they had these salon parties. Were women would gather other in the invite like poets poets and artists to come read their works or show their works while Paul was invited to salons and Tom He was seen mysterious in Erie with his Gothic poems in creepy stories. Everyone wanted to get to know but actually got close A A frequent host of these parties lady by the name of an Lynch She particularly liked Po to come to parties because he was gentlemanly. He was a southern gentleman. He was interesting but not overbearing. He was quiet infected and he started flirting with a fellow poet. You might know her. Fanny osgood freak out or Francis. Osgood she was. You'RE GONNA well off was an age but not in stature okay. She was considered considered very childlike. Very small very tiny sickly even maybe even in the first stages of tuberculosis online. At this point he wasn't attracted two children. He was to This is not a cut shot their TV. Oh my God okay so they kind of had a fling and then 'cause Virginia his wife was very sick and bedridden they had a fling and then incomes another poet By the name of Elizabeth Ellett and now in in this book it says that Ellett liked Po. Po Liked osgood. It was like this weird. Love Triangle. Ho was repulsed by L. it And then odd osgood reconciled with. Her husband had nothing to do with poem. Anyway anyways it became like the they were these flirtatious letters going back and forth the original. sexting if you will who did they draw stick figures doing it no So at one of these Salon Parties Ellett became jealous of Osgood so she told Po to give osgood her flirtatious letters. Back and Po told her to mind your own letters quote unquote hello and then Elliott. Lost her mind. Her brother got involved threatened to kill post acid. Shoot Him with a pistol if he didn't get the letters back and pope refused to give the letters back and then po went to a friend and said Hey. Can I borrow your pistol. Because let's brothers threatened to kill me because I won't give her. The letters and his friend was like Po to give her the letters and he refused to give her the letters so then he said okay. We'll just apologize and say that you were wrong in saying that there is letters. There's no letters and posts are not doing either. One forgotten argument which led to a physical fight which led to PLO getting his ass kicked because his friend was ten years younger and he really really kicked his ass. I think was drunk and on some kind of barbecue is at the time used to spike his drinks with barbituates holiday. Yeah a lot of the times he would not remember. What had it happens in? Just there's a funny quote about fights inherent I'll read it and I'm wrapping it up wrapping. So his friends said Ed Co rush toward him Mess Menacingly I throw my fist to stop him and impeded rush. Rather her than any force of mine made the extension of my arm. Abo- he grasped me while falling backward over a lounge in I on talk him the scuffle last few moments English said that he hit po in the face unintentionally badly cutting in with a heavy seal ring when he wore on his pinky the racket attracted someone in the neighboring room who separated them in lead bowl way. Po In his own account did not contradicts English version of the preliminaries but rather he said he remembered nothing that had happened except for having wareed and degraded myself to little purpose by fighting his version of the outcome however was only his own. I gave English a flogging which you'll remember to the day of his death said the person who is bedridden after your mind so Virginia's health deteriorated until she eventually died on January thirtieth eighteen. Forty seven pose distraught and after Virginia's death As if he could sink any lower he actually did. Oh my God and He it didn't survive another even two years after that. For Virginia's death brought him back to Richmond where he ran into his his teenage sweetheart. Sarah a learner or heavy said it Lyra and he discovered that her husband had also died So they rekindled Romance Okay and what are the same age the same age She's a little bit younger over kidding. She was a little bit younger but So they plan to be married carried on then on September twenty seventh eighteen forty nine. He Po left four New York from Virginia to go home. I think to wrap up some business. And then he just disappeared for a week he totally disappeared off the face of the earth and nobody knew where he was. Nobody heard from nobody can find him and then he was found delirious in a ditch in Baltimore in front of Ryan's tavern he wasn't wearing his his close what he did. He know he was wearing somebody. Else's clothes oh They were dirty. He was disheveled and one thing about poetry traded close with somebody company. Right one thing about Poe is he might have been po but he always does OPPO job. Poor Oh okay. That was dumb. I'll never know that was good. NOPE Osgood by myself. So he was always clean. Shaven Shaven always well-groomed immaculately cleaned. Didn't have the nicest clothes but was always well dressed so it's very character for potable. Look like a bomb. In addition right. Yeah he was delirious he wasn't he was in and out of consciousness. He was taken to the hospital on to that. He was found on October third and he was taken to the hospital. He was delirious for two days in the hospital and The last thing he said was have mercy on my soul full and he died October fifth eighteen. Forty niners last words so romantic and Yeah there is. There's a ton one of theories about his death including rabies suicide murder syphilis hyperglycemia and Calera Lara. I'M GONNA go with rabies like that. One I that was my initial however there is another theory that seems to have some kind of uh-huh backing behind it back. In the day they used to do. It's called Qiuping in they would Force somebody pretty It he was found outside of a voting poll Where they vote in? There was just a recent election and Qiuping thing is when they would kidnap somebody. Members of certain party would kidnap somebody force feed them liquor or bribed them with liquor and then they would send them to. The voting poll all over and over in different disguises and they would re vote so there's a thing I've ever heard actually make sense. This is a victim on there was. There's a lot of victims of coping in those days and where he was found and the time that he was found and his alcohol abuse issues. It does seem like that might be electric Lake Erie likely culprit. Nobody knows how he died. The death records have been launched. I so I'm GonNa go with victim of Copying. I think that is a interesting way to die. And then to add insult to injury good old rufus griswold arch nemesis his arch-nemesis wrote a scathing obituary about him and then went on to declare that PLO wanted him to be his biographer offer and he wrote a totally scathing biography about how he was a drunk and a womanizer and just day. Total title. Debbie and that stays kind of Known that's how people got their impression. apoe is on Mrs False biography but actually backfired because griswold thought it would like tarnish his reputation forever. But you know us. Everybody loves a good trainwreck. Right so actually drew people to PLO and they were more interested than ever in him and his life and they even seem to like his work more you know he could be one of the first American gothic authors and one of the first to kind of start the like true detective series with I think it's called murders in the rue morgue or something more grew was kind of like who done it and it was kind of the first of its kind I remember he. He's kind of what inspired me to become interested in true crime. I used to my great grandma used to watch me when I came home from school and I was. I think matter ten and she was like. Here's a book of of Edgar. Allan Poe's work go ahead read it. Okay well pretty cool though. I mean looking back on. Do I want my nine year. Old Reading about a tell tale heart where a guy murders an old man in his sleep and buries his body under the floorboards and it gets paranoia when the police please show up and confesses his art. Oh I don't look but yeah so. That's a story of Po. Re Google is ritually. It's pretty hilarious. Laureus he basically says he has no. Yeah he just really brings him a good one. That's funny. Maybe we can post. If it's not long long yeah I can post. Yeah that's so anyways that was Po- I N JAW is. I said it was going to be short but you know I'm a liar so I know you're just a liar. Liar pants pants on fire. Burning right now is a really good job at it thank you. It is hard to wrap someone entire life in like twenty minute. Yes especially when they have a big life with a lot of stories beated really really good job thank you. I'm excited for Hemingway Right Ernest. Hemingway I read a biography called Ernest Hemingway away biography by Mary. The Dearborn I also after I read it used the world history project dot org org just to kind of go over my Timeline because there was so much shit and this is a big book and every everybody that Hemingway new a basically got their own mini biography in it so it was a lot so here we go ernest. Hemingway was born July twenty first eighteen ninety nine in Oak Park Illinois which is a suburb of Chicago. His Father Ed was a doctor in a very religious man. Okay in his mother was a senior. ooh Okay Yeah is she had some notoriety kind of more locally. She eventually gave singing lessons. She went on to paint. She was like Kinda larger than life. Women that everybody left okay. Ernest was the second oldest a five although his mom for some bizarre reason decided to treat him and his year older sister as twins for a lot of their childhood. I don't know what she I would like make a match and gave them the same haircut shoulder-length haircut which some researchers claim led to Ernest Hair Fetish as an adult although although in that way what he had here. Yes okay. Let's just skip everything. Goes straight ahead. I'll talk about it a little bit later. I don't really think that that's why Anna here finish because back then it was very very common for young boys to be dressed in a more girl style. It was just common for little kids of either gender to be more girly early because it showed like the granison whatever so anyways that's hair fetish ernest. How to do it? I like it I'm intrigued. Ernest had a turbulent relationship ship with his parents and siblings throughout his tireless in high school he wrote for the school paper which led to his desire to be a journalist. His favorite teacher was fanny. Biggs MHM. After high school. He moved to Kansas City to write for the newspaper there and he was an exceptional journalist in these early days really helped define his style style as a lean masculine writer he really loved. He loved it when he was young. It was very exciting. He you know got in there with all the police in any sort of situation that was going on it was a plea wasn't very lean writer. Yes the biographer was three when World War One started ernest desperately. Expertly wanted to join the army but his eyesight was poor so he volunteered instead as a Red Cross ambulance driver. Because apparently optic aid to remind veteran attorney job perfect soon after his deployment in Italy Ernest was seriously injured by mortar fire shrapnel impaled his leg in several several places. A story was told that he pulled an Italian soldier along with him out of the line of fire. He spent several weeks recovering in a Red Cross hospital from his injuries. He's and fell in love with his nurse as you do in the end. He left with Italian medals for bravery a broken heart and a story that would last a lifetime back in the states. Ernest married his first wife Hadley Richardson so not the nurse. He met some deals okay. She was my favorite of his wife. Hadley I I love that name. He as with all of his wives really loved her hair and it was kind of funny when they got married. It said that in the pictures her hair was still damp from her morning morning swim and he was like I'm into it. I'm into it. Okay wait a minute walk comparative. She have to say I think that she had originally. She had women I back together. She had really long like reddish golden hair okay like auburn hair with like a semi natural highlight and then later on. She cut it but he likes shorter. She like that is that you piss me off the last time and cutting my he likes to her. Oh okay together. In nineteen twenty three. They moved to Paris. Oh there's there's a fancy in Europe the hemingway's made many similarly minded friends with ex pats including Gertrude Stein Sherwood Anderson and Ezra pound. Tom McGinnis Stein. Diane referred to them as the lost generation. He also fell in love with Spanish bullfighting. In Spain. As a whole for many years groups of friends would would travel to Spain to go watch bullfights rides for like a week long party where they were just drinking wine all day and watching bullfights and like doing the amateur fights they wrap the bull's horns with like a towel of like you know still almost die. These people that he met in Europe. I mean it was such a crowd. They inspired some of his most famous works. I mean gene and what it was full of creatives. Yeah they were like onto great and I think did he hang out with a couple of famous. Painters artists I don't remember everybody. There was seriously so many people said and there was other people too that I didn't really recognize the names of that. Were also just like in the literary scene at the time. Yeah where you're at at. This time was recovering from Warsaw. It was extremely cheap to live in Paris. That's one of the reasons why they're so many experts living there. Okay because it was super cheap because of the war okay that it ended ended and also there was no prohibition there ever so you know that helped soul and it was during this time with these people in this place that the legend of Ernest Hemingway began to form. ooh Okay in nineteen twenty five. Hemingway made his American debut as a writer beyond journalism with a collection of short stories titled In our time shortly after this ernest became friends with F Scott Fitzgerald Oh my goodness who was already. A rich and famous author by this time Fitzgerald was one of those guys that just kind of like was hot headed right on Guston bieber yet. Visit Justin Bieber earnestness job or close friends. For many years Fitzgerald Harold even helped Ernest against his first real novel published. Their relationship is one of the many were. Ernest is like the world's shittiest friend he's quick to judgment rare to forgive and never to forget any slight against him. He is so fucking sensitive Fitzgerald it did have a drinking problem that intensified over the years especially as his wife Zelda's mental health declined but you would think ernest like being the big drinker thinker that he was would be kinda chill about it but he wasn't he was a Dick Ernest. Also had a pattern of screwing over friends over the years by writing hurtful and often dishonest on a stories that were clearly about these friends like everybody knew in in nineteen twenty six with the help of his well-connected friends a special especially Fitzgerald Ernest published. The Sun also raised the sun also rises readers and critics enjoyed ernest. Lean masculine style writing in his Macho Bravado ushering in a new style style of the American author before Ernest a lot of American authors. Were kind of seen as more effeminate more. You Know Whitman. Yes yes and Glenn Fellow and they were. They weren't macho. No but hemingway was. He was a hard drinker. He loved bullfights he loves sports. He was a tough guide a lot of people I gave him shit like they're like you're kind of playing it up but I mean I don't know he was pretty cool guy. He had a crazy life which is trying to compensate for that time he had shoulder length hair. Probably they've probably but the sun rises when yours in tunnels arises. It was like about these friends that he had whatever and a couple of friends runs in it were like totally ripta shreds and everybody in their circle new and it was for absolutely no reason. Okay so I have. A question wasn't truth. That they was was he using truth like he ripped him to shreds based on how they actually were or was fabricated. It was kind of like he take a small thing like a small slight about them. That wasn't wasn't a big deal and then exacerbate it. Okay yeah it was move it was. I don't even understand it during all of this excitement along with being in a hassle. The personal challenges also plagued the hemingway's earnest and a close friend. Pauline pfeiffer began an affair in nineteen twenty seven he and having divorced Ernest and pauline were married soon. After in last effort extra Chivalry Ernest had all proceeds from the Sun. Also rises awarded to handling on their son. So I mean I guess that was nice. 'CAUSE IT ended up being a lot of money from that book Ernest continue to write and be successful in nineteen twenty eight. The new Hemingway's move to key west. I knew the second couple. Oh he wes I think that's where he found his love of Rum. Probably their lush Spanish colonial oneal will become famous. A really cool house with the Hemingway's had two cents. During this time ernest father died. He had had declining health for a long time mentally and physically and his father committed suicide. This obviously hit ernest really hard for some reason. His mom sent him the gun that his father killed himself. What the fuck like to keep it in the family? I guess just just a bizarre. I Dunno imagine no. Oh here's a vial of cancer we're going to seep in the family. What a weird thing too? I don't know in nineteen twenty nine a farewell to arms as published the pair continued to flourish. Pauline was from an extremely wealthy family that doted on the pair especially her wealthy a and single uncle gusts so they were kind of lucky because he was just like had not spending money on and he would just be like. Oh I'll pay for favor. Ernest August is no shit. Ernest also fell in love with deep sea. Fishing held boxing matches at his home. He loved boxing any favored a local bar called sloppy joes. Yeah I like it or not I I liked the name for our sloppy Josina also likes announced just like eating sloppy joes yes during this time ernest and a bunch of his friends also Oh went on his first African safari which he loved. He'd love big big game hunting. And that was all funded by uncle. Gus So way to go this thank thank you go through. Life seemed pretty frigging fabulous. It's kind of amazing and I'm jealous and also again pizza ship. Yeah so in one thousand nine hundred thirty seven as we sit on to talk about other people living their lives living there exciting lives in nineteen thirty seven Ernest miscreant back to journalism and became a war correspondent during the Spanish war. ooh He also began an affair with Martha Gill Horn because he knows life seem so awful. yeah he was clearly more clearly not getting enough Dejan after a four year affair the two married in nineteen forty shortly after for whom the bell tolls was published. They didn't have any any children. A Martha was extremely ambitious. which was hard for Ernest to get used to you? Because pauline like totally doted hunting even literally over her their their own children like she put us before everything and just wanted to make him happy in like make sure he writes in all this shit so earnest. Kind of was a crybaby about Martha Carrying about herself and Shit. Martha was Their relationship was kind of strange because of that Martha also became disgusted tested by Ernest more efforts after their journalism assignment ended Ernest. Put together a ragtag team who joined him on his fishing boat called the polar and patrolled the Cuban coast looking for u boats which are submarine. The vessel was loaded with grenades and machine guns. In Cases Brigade aide named friendless encountered any foreign Ernie had way too much time on his hands so they link put metal around the front of the Bow Oh to reinforce it they had tons and tons of weapons and it seems like this total bullshit but it was actually overseen by the Office Visit Naval Intelligence and leash it. I mean I guess they just want it all hands on deck at this point just anybody who can look for a foreign just look. Ernest never lacked for enthusiasm. Doucehy them on these missions. What he did lack however is results as doing you know covered by the curtain due bay had just as many ingrained as they did bottles of Rub? Yes yeah they were like definitely drinking the whole time. It was ridiculous in nineteen forty four Hemingway and go horn reported on world war. Two she was really into doing the work correspondence like she pretty much was the reason why he did it okay. Many many notable things happen during this reporting trip including meeting a woman earns quickly fell for named Mary at least none of them are looking twelve. Oh my wide. They're all grown up. I read that I was like Oh. After arriving in Linden Ernest typically met up with friends who had already that night. Thank while being driven home by a friend. They had a car accident where Ernest head slammed against the windshield. What leaving a huge Gash? This post traumatic brain injury was not treated correctly at the hospital. Ernest also never stopped drinking during his recovery. which only exasperated exasperated aspirated the injury? Then that's not good. Yeah well He. He kind of had a habit of this. Whenever he was hospitalized she would always have liquor bottles hidden underneath his bed? Oh my God what a terrible patient yeah ernest endured deeper mood swings which he already suffered from and all and other behavioral changes after this manning. Cabrini-green up it was. It was really bad after a very short recoup from this accident Ernest attached himself to the Fourth Infantry Division in order to finish his writing assignment. So he's like I'm going to grab a traumatic brain injury. I'm an alcoholic in now when he has to finish his writing assignments going to join the infantry. Nobody let me join this infantry. Give me a gun and I'm your guy. Somehow all of this. He also managed to get a letter letter authorizing him to lead a group of resistance. Mine who authorized that everything in the stories addicting out of the hospital for like a week or two weeks at this point maybe so him in this group of resistance fighters they commandeered a French hotel. Tell set up headquarters were they interrogated German soldiers and send out intelligence control locations. Knock now why. That's he took control than hotel. The captured German shoulders and question that well. Yeah because the whole you know. The city was under German ray attacks they were like they had to make their own little bunker which just happened to be in a hotel from this war came another great ernest. Hemingway legend that he helped to liberate Paris in reality. The story was closer. Oh Sir to Ernest liberating the hotel Ritz ordering fifty Martinez will journalists piled in with the news that the allied forces had liberated Paris France. What's but he was at the hotel I so everybody said that her is it? A great job liberate liberating the Ritz. Because it had the most alcohol left in the third installment summit of the Hemingway's ended and Never WanNa stay single for long or actually at all as all of his relationships overlapped of Ernest married. Mary Welsh you. And what would look like. I'm Google now. Mary was blonde. Pauline had dark hair but sometimes she would die blonde for him. Oh so he was into blondes heave. Oh yes it will. He was into different things. He was into short. Harry's into it the way here so okay so One of the things about the hair fetish that Sir I found really interesting was in nineteen forty six. I believe Ernest started writing this book. I think it was called Garden of Eden and it was basically him exploring his hair fetish and his gender fetishes. Okay the couple in it cuts and dyed their hair air bleaching it and cutting it like the same short length until they were winning and then laid on the beach until they got really really tan and they looked like twins and the whole book was about their sexual experiences twinning and there is explicit sex scenes in it. I believe anal who. I'm buying this book and Emma and they end up inviting over another woman to you. Know have sex with them. They cut her hair. No I think that the man actually ends up falling for for her and then I think that the original wife ends up going insane this book. He's writing like I said like in the late forties on for fifteen years all the while he must have known he could not get published published. Right it was way too bad run. This was already like getting censored left and right for for cussing for talking about sex at all so something would that like dove deep in my sexual unintended no way that they would have been able to publish it but it was published posthumously in the eighties trusting. Yeah I mean he worked on for fifteen years. Okay a crime fascinating. The after the whole life that hemingway lived the most fascinating to me is his sexual hair fetishes in the gender yes fetish he said one of I think human pauline gene did a similar thing when they went on vacation where they cut their behavior. Here's his hair out and she cut hers release shore and they would joke around about him being the wife and her being the husband it was like gender under fluid a t and hair he was just kind of obsessed with but nobody was really talking about. That kind of thing is a time. Obviously okay continue. Continue Okay so at at this point. He's married to Mary Welsh. This robot. Romance wasn't exactly a match made in Heaven K.. But it would mark last March over the years Ernest Health both mentally Salim physically declined in part due to his lifestyle of drinking adventure and in part due to his traumatic brain injury and what was later thought to be manic depressive disorder in K.. He he had really big highs and really bad slumps throughout most of his life however he did continue to write he wrote old man and the sea in nineteen fifty you to love that story one of his greatest works. Yeah and in nineteen fifty three. He won the Pulitzer Prize for literature in Nineteen fifty four just to get one more incredulous story in him and his wife went on a trip to Africa while there were their plane crashed. What the He Mary Rian? The pilot did survive but not before the crap was spotted and cut the pilots Aaron Hanson chopped. All of us here died of blunt but before for Before anybody saw that they were still alive somebody saw and reported that their airplane crafts so it was like an all the papers that they died. Okay Nikki the moment. They're like nope we're live guys. This was one more incident accident that contributed to the steady decline in earnest. He has really banged up after this happened. Eventually he moved Idaho Inc semi retired but continued to write although his work was not what it once was. Do you know whereabouts in Idaho. Oh I don't I don't but it was a cool property He every house he lived in was really really cool he really loved nature and so. I'm not surprised that he moved to Idaho. He really loved hunting. At this point his his health was really bad. He started getting like really paranoid before in his his normal personality analogy was he always loved being around crowd right always wanted had like a group of guys with them to hang out with right and then as he got older. He didn't want anybody around him he didn't want to talk to anybody. Didn't WANNA see anybody. He is in his wife. His wife was the only one that he really be around. He was really really Shitty to marry which he was never like that with his other wives. I think it gets because you hit He was traumatic Made him a lot more irritable. It was Kinda Sad. His decline was Kinda sad on July second. Nineteen and sixty one ernest woke early chose his favorite shotgun from the closet and shot himself in the head. It was two weeks before his sixty second birthday. Ernest was a prolific nick writer and the ultimate adventurer. He loved all things outdoors hunting fishing and bullfighting. He lived women drinks and of course writing the legend of Ernest. Hemingway may only surpassed by his writing. A Master of this craft. His novels and Short Stories Changed American literature forever. And that is the fabulous Liszt's life Ernest. Hemingway I have loved. You did such a great job thank you I thank you I loved it it. Do you have a bar for this week. I do Oh yes okay so This this Friday I went to a new place and it is called roost. It's like a two in one one. It's a restaurant and a brewery and The brewery is grass valley. Brewing Company. Is What is call. They make beer make spectacular beer. It's a little bit like sutter boots. it's got that same feel they have Great Great Beer selection they have like big wooden tables and they have foosball and a large Jiang gone. Large checker sounds fine. Yeah it and they have good good food and it was really cool to staff was really great to it. If you're a rep in grass valley check it out because it's it's cool. That sounds awesome. Yeah Yeah and you can get like a sampler beer seeking try every single one in little tiny really cute baby cups. I personally led to drink out of. I don't know why like this whites to army. Yeah so it was pretty cool. It was fun anyway. This was supposed to be shorter episode and I couldn't couldn't shut the fuck up again. I swear I just kept stumbling over my reading. So apologies all around. I'll try to read better next time. Yeah and I'll just try. I shut the fuck up at some point so anyways it's good to be back. It's good to be back and I am thankful for being another another year. Older me too and I win. Cold is a privilege privilege yeah. I'm not afraid of growing old at all. One bit me neither either okay. So cheers to that. And don't forget buys hydrate meditate and then of course lasts at least have a good win next week