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A Message For The True Of Heart

National Prayer Chapel, Pilgrim's Progress

53:43 min | 1 year ago

A Message For The True Of Heart

"The following program is sponsored by the national. Prayer Chapel. By Thick. At these are the day. EUROSUR. Says by. Only. Dog. Grant try. I'll. Still not the boys. Third by The way. The. Pink. and. Sir. A bill. There is no god. God. Thank. God. saw. Song. We are in the days of Elijah. It is time to prepare the with the Lord. So, what does that look like? Today's message is a message for the true in Heart. Many of you believe. Sincerely have love in your heart for Jesus. Many of you. Are like me. Having searched. For many years to understand the gospel. Then being distracted. And then coming back to the search. Discontent in your heart. Not sure for. How you stand. Praying. Receiving, no answer. Wondering. Searching. Your true of heart. But you know you're not right with Jesus yet. I want to share with you. A question. That I. Google. And up popped this webpage got questions. Your. Biblical. Answers. I want to share with you this answer her. Question what does it mean to have faith in Jesus? Answer, many people speak about having faith in. Jesus But what exactly does this mean? The Bible uses the phrase faith in Jesus synonymous Lee with belief in Jesus as Savior. Romans three twenty, two, and twenty three says that quote righteousness is given through uses through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe there's no difference between Jew and gentile for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. When we place our faith in Jesus. We believe in him. And God grants. His righteousness to us. Is that true? Is that true When we place our faith in Jesus? We believe in Him and God grants his righteousness to us is that true? continues. To have faith in Jesus means to trust him. Simply. Fully. Without reservation. On one occasion before Jesus healed. Two blind men he asked them. Quote do you believe that I'm able to do this and quote they answered? Yes Lord. And he healed them according to their faith. Matthew Nine Twenty eight twenty nine. The men simply trusted the power and goodness of the Lord. And they received their sight. When a person has faith in Jesus, it means that he or she believes who Jesus is. God in human form. Entrust, what Jesus has done. died and been resurrected. This faith in the person and work of Christ is what saves. Romans ten. Nine and ten. Verse Corinthians Fifteen, three and four. Everyone who believes that? Jesus is the Christ. Is Born of God. First John Five one. John? Three Sixteen says God. So loved the world that he gave his one and only son that whoever believes in Him shall not perish. But have, eternal life. The key is belief. In response to God's love anyone who places his or her faith in Jesus Has the promise of eternal, life? Again. Is that true. Is that true. Are you sure? Without faith in Jesus we remain in sin and cannot be accepted into God's presence in his perfect heaven with faith in Jesus we are given access to the father as God. As God's own children. To. Have faith in Jesus is to reject all other ways of salvation. We cannot trust in Jesus and anything else we trust in Jesus alone salvation is found in no one else for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved. Acts. Four. Twelve. Celebration is exclusive. Jesus. Is the only way? John Fourteen six. Are you ready to place your faith in Jesus? Do you trust him to save you. No special prayer you must pray however, you can respond right now with the prayer similar to this. Dear God. I realized I am a sinner. And could never reach heaven by my own deeds. Right now I place my faith in Jesus Christ as Godson who died and rose again to give me eternal life. I trust in Jesus alone. Please forgive me my sins and helped me to live for you. Thank you for accepting me and giving me eternal life. Have you made a decision for Christ. Because of what you've just read here if so. Please Click on this I have accepted Christ today button below. Well. Is that true? I listened to one of my favorite preachers this morning Paul Washer. He made a very interesting statement. He said. The salvation comes by faith in Jesus. Know I can read you. Scriptures that say that. Paulin the book of Romans says that. Well. Let me turn to quickly so I can actually read it for you. So you're not. Just hearing me say it but. I, WanNa read it to you. This is. Romans. The Second Chapter Verse Twenty Two. Indeed, righteousness is out from God through faith by means of Jesus Christ. To all an upon all the ones believing. Or verse, Twenty Eight, logically therefore a man is made righteous by means of faith apart from works of the law. The STRU. Righteousness is out from God? By means of faith. To the ones believing. It's true. But we have a problem. Paul Washer has been preaching this message for a long time. And I also preached that message for a long time and the modern churches preaching that message. Bottlewasher went on to say. We are saved by faith in Jesus alone. But we have a problem. It's a very real problem. And the problem is this. Faith in Jesus alone does not bring righteousness. Now, I know. The modern churches answer to that. which is very simple but ally. They say if you put your faith in Jesus Christ. You are saved. Because Jesus, impute his righteousness to you. So now you're saved and you're on your way to heaven. But is that true? No it's not true. You're not on your way to heaven. Hell is going to be filled with people who believed in Jesus. Healed is going to be filled with people who trusted Jesus for their salvation. Let me read a passage of scripture for you. Sound over here. It's referred to as. The. Romans road. It's very common scripture among. Protestants. As they look at a model for. How. To evangelize the lost. Romans ten. I'll begin reading with verse eight. The RAIMO is near you in your mouth and in your heart. This is the word of faith which we preach. That, if you may confess. Lord Jesus with your mouth and may believe with your heart that God raised him out from among the dead ones. You will be saved. For within the heart one believes unto righteousness. And with the mouth confesses under salvation. For. The scripture says everyone believing on him will not be put to shame. For. There's no difference between Jew and gentile for the same. Lord. Is Lord of all being rich under all the ones calling upon him indeed, whoever may call upon the name of the Lord? WILL BE, saved? How then will they call upon whom they have believed not, and how will they believe whom they have not heard? And how will they hear apart from preaching? And how will they preach if they are not sent? What do we do with that is that is that passage init- alone. Is that true? Were in deep trouble. Because in America we have preached. And I have as well. A Gospel. Of believing in Jesus. And trusting in Jesus. And saying that that should save us. But the fact is trusting Jesus and believing in Jesus. Does Not Work Righteousness in a man's life. That's reality Paul Washer said this morning. Believing in Jesus entrusting Jesus should cause a man. To. Repent of his sins. To turn from wickedness. and to be born again. All of that is true. But it doesn't work that way. You can believe in the name of Jesus. You can call upon the name of Jesus. And still be lost and still go to hell. Because believing on the name of Jesus and trusting Jesus. Does Not Work Righteousness in a man's life. The problem is we have preached the Gospel in America. That does not work righteousness in a man or woman's life. And if there is not righteousness in the man's life except that, which is called imputed righteousness. It's phony Baloney, it's not real. It will not stand the test of time. It's cultural. It's a part of the. Very fabric of the American church. But it's a lie. It's just not true. Because you see a man who trusts in. Jesus. A man who believes in Jesus. Is still a sinner man? He's not saved. That's reality. You've heard me say this before and I'll. I'll emphasize it again today for you. We do not cherry pick certain passages of scripture out of the Apostle Paul. And say, okay, this is our truth. And we stand on this truth that Paul says, righteousness comes from believing in Jesus that by the way is a true statement but not as it stands and not as it is stated. You. Can't cherry pick. Out of the Scriptures, a passage of scripture, and then build your theology around that, and again I wanNA come today and ask you the simple question. Are you willing. To look at the scriptures. And except the whole truth that is revealed there. Are you willing to take the scriptures. At their word. and. Believe it. But not a passage of scripture. Plucked out of. Context. That we then say as we do about. Revelation, a Romans the Tenth Chapter We pluck that whole passage out of context and we say now okay this is the way of salvation. When it's not And many who believe just as it says in Romans ten. WE'LL GO TO HELL Because it's not the way of salvation. Something dreadfully wrong. In the American church we are in an absolute crisis. There are very few real Christians in. America. Well, there are many Christians who say they are Christians and who say they follow Jesus Christ? But they have admitted very essential elements. For the salvation to work in their lives. Have you done that. Now, what I'm going to share with you is not. But I'm. Not. Interested. In. Pretty. I'm interested in real. I'm interested in the truth. And remember, and I'll say this again. I always interpret the writings of the apostles. Through the Lens. Of Jesus Christ. I interpret. Romans. Corinthians. I interpret all of their postles writings. Through the teachings. Of Jesus Christ. and Romans ten. Has To be viewed through the Lens. Of the words of Jesus. Instead of through the Lens. Of the. Modern. Church. There is something essential. That is totally missing. From Romans. Ten. And without this missing element. Romans ten becomes a road to hell. Let me share with you with that missing element is. Go with me to. The teachings of Jesus. I'm going to begin. In the seventh chapter. Of The book of Matthew. Let's begin with a very familiar verse. But one that we need to hear clearly today in the context of salvation. Will Begin with verse thirteen. You must enter. Through the narrow gate. Jesus did not say you must enter through. Romans. Ten. Jesus. Did Not say you must enter through faith. And believe in me. He did not say that. He said you must enter. The narrow. Gate. The agonizing? Gate. For why does the gay and broad is the way? Leading into. Destruction. And many are the ones entering through it? How Narrow? IS THE GATE Restricted is the way that leads to life? and. The ones finding it are few. Well why? Why are those looking for it? Who Find it why are they so few? For Answer, that question? There is a narrow gate there is a. A. SUFFERING A painfully restricting gate. And then there is a broad road. And that broad road leads to destruction and many are the ones entering. Through that gate. But how narrow is the gate and restricted is the way that leads to life and the ones finding it are few. Now. He says the same thing again. Over in Matthew the Sixteenth Chapter Then Jesus said to his disciples if anyone will come after me. He must deny himself. And must take up his cross. And must follow me. Jesus did not say. Anyone who wills to come after me. He must trust me and he must believe in me. That's not what Jesus said. Jesus said. If you WANNA, come after me if you WANNA be my disciple. It starts with denying yourself. And then you take up your cross. And you follow me. He doesn't use the words, trust. Or believe, he uses the word deny. Take up your cross. Follow me. For whoever May. Wish or will to save his life will lose it. But whoever may lose his? Life for my sake. Will find it. So. Romans ten doesn't say anything about. Denying yourself. Taking up your cross. Doesn't say anything about losing your life. But those were the words that Jesus used. So you're in great danger, if you take the Romans ten template and say, okay, let's make this a model for how we evangelize. Because you'll be teaching a false gospel and that has been done in almost church across America. And the result has been the church filled with half converted people. Who are walking the Broadway to destruction? All, the while being assured by the preachers. That they're on their way to heaven. I was caught in that and I participated in that I was wrong and I've had to repent with tears and weeping before. God. What does it a man profit if he may gain the whole world and may suffer the loss of his soul? If you take Romans. and. Say This is the model for evangelism. You're going to cause men women to lose their soul. Now. Romans ten doesn't say this but Jesus did. For the son of man is destined to come in the glory of his father with his angels. and. Then he will reward each one. According to his activity. So in other words, there are some actions that are necessary. Jesus said Deny Yourself. Jesus said, take up your cross and follow me. In other words to Jesus. These are necessary actions. So for man says, you are saved by faith in Jesus alone he is denying. The word of Jesus about how to enter into salvation. So the people who believe this preacher will enter into a false salvation. Because in the false salvation of the American Christian Church there is no death to self. There's no crucifixion there's no dying out. So. How can there be resurrection? Now if you look in Luke. Luke the Ninth Chapter Verse Twenty Three. Now. He was saying to all if anyone wishes to come after me. He must deny himself. In this is in the Hebrew. It's an heiress tense. And it does not mean. It does not mean deny oneself once. He must take up his cross. And must follow me. So according to Jesus again in Luke. The ninth chapter. Verse Twenty Three. If you. WanNa follow Jesus. It's not a matter of believing and trusting it's a matter of nine yourself. Taking up your cross, and the only reason you would take up across is to be crucified with Christ. For. Whoever? May will to save his life. Will lose it. But whoever may lose his life for my sake. This one will save it. For what does it benefit a man after having gained the whole world? But having lost or forfeited himself, the modern church's teaching that a man does not have to die. He does not have to deny himself. He is covered by the grace of God. Able to take the salvation of Jesus. To himself while he is yet. unconverted. Having not denied himself and having not taken up the cross. He instead can. Can Accept. The wonderful gift of Jesus. And still be. In his flesh. A center. And so the Church teaches eternal security. Based on faith and belief in Jesus. And no word about crucifixion. Or denying yourself. Or taking up your cross. and. So it's a ally. The reason there is so. Much destruction. The reason they're so much. Wickedness. In the modern American. Church. The reason we have been so powerless. As, we've denied the cross of Jesus. And, we've not been crucified with you. Now if you if you go with me. To Luke. The. Fourteenth chapter. I'm reading these to you to show you that. This is not just said once. contextual it said over and over. It was the teaching of Jesus. And so you come to. Chapter. Fourteen. Of Luke. I twenty five. Now, large multitudes were going along with him and having turned he said to them if anyone comes to me. And does not have single-minded loyalty to me over his father and mother his wife and children, brothers and sisters. Yeah even to his own life. He's not able to be my disciple. And whoever does not bear his own cross and come after me is not able to be my disciple. Then we come to Romans. And we need to understand. That the Apostle Paul did not just give Romans ten? The Apostle Paul did not just give Romans. The second and third chapter. He was speaking very specifically in the second and third chapters about. This wondrous gift that Jesus has given to us by on the cross, but he doesn't say how to enter into that wondrous gift. That Jesus has given. Yes. It's believing yes it's trusting. But it's much more than that. He's speaking about the law. And setting aside. The law. That is. The whole Jewish ceremonial code. The sacrificial system. The feast days. Verse Twenty Two this is. Romans. The Third Chapter Verse Twenty Two indeed righteousness is out from God through faith. By means of Jesus Christ. Yes. Righteousness is coming from God. By faith. By means of Jesus Christ. To everyone believing on him. Verse, Twenty Four. Being made righteous freely by His grace by means of the redemption in Christ Jesus. God and no other set forth and atonement by means of his blood through faith. To declare his righteousness. Because of a passing over of the sins having previously occurred. Verse Twenty Eight Logically. Therefore, a man is made righteous by means of faith apart from the works of the law or apart from the works. This is not Antonio Muniz, and this is the works of the law. The ceremonial law the. The Sakr officials law the. This is the mosaic law. This is not God's law. This is not the ten. Commandments. We establish. moral. Law Jesus established moral law. then. In the fourth chapter, he goes more into. Abraham and what happened with Abraham Also begins to speak about. The necessity of obedience. Chapter Five. He speaks about. Coming by faith. Walking by faith in. Jesus. But in chapter six. He comes to the very heart of his message. And now he's going to talk about how we enter in. Don't read Romance. Two, three, four, and five. And establish that. As your theology. Don't read. Romans ten. And say, this is the Romans road. And this is the model for our evangelism. No, we've got to go back and. We've gotta read carefully Romans six, seven and eight. And understand. The WAY TO ENTER INTO That salvation that is being I freely to us. Salvation is not by works. It is by faith in Jesus Christ. But there are very specific actions that must be taken. If we're going to enter into that salvation. Jesus said. Deny Yourself. Pick up your cross. You must be. Crucified with Christ. Now, let's be very clear about this issue. Paul taught. That, there must be. A crucifixion? Let me read it for you. Paul says himself. For because of law. I died to the law. In order that I may live for God that is the moral I died to the moral law. He writes Galicians tubers twenty. I Have Been Crucified with Christ. And I still am. On the other hand I live yet not I, but Christ lives in me. And that life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the son of God the one having love me and having handed himself over in my behalf. I do not set aside the grace of God. For I, just misses by law then Christ died in vain. So, let's be very clear. There is no righteousness without crucifixion. You're crucifixion and my crucifixion. Our hearts to be circumcised by Jesus there has to be a very real death if there's going to be a very real resurrection. Now Chapter Six. Of Romans. What then shall we say? Continue in sin so that grace may become more and more. No certainly not. We who died to sin? How shall we still live in? See The problem in the American is that the churches aren't teaching you have to die to sin. They're saying just believe in Jesus Trust Jesus. That's not the answer. That's only part of the answer. And a part of the answer if given as the whole answer is a lie. There has to be a total crucifixion. Of Heart and of your mind and of your body in Jesus Christ. You must die. If you don't die, you will not live with Christ. Are you ignorant? Are. You uneducated. Do you not know this? Chapter six, verse three that is many as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized. into his death. Really. We were buried together with him by means of the baptism into the death just. As Christ was raised out from among the dead men by the glory of the father. So also we may walk around in the newness of life. You cannot walk around in the newness of life if you have not yet been crucified with Christ. So what ends up happening is a man or woman. Here's the preaching of the word the here the offering of salvation and they say, yes, I'd like to add that to my already wonderful life. or I would like to add that to my life because my life is kinda messed up and I need to make some changes, and so I'd like to add Jesus to my life as it is now, and so you add Jesus and now you begin a process of self improvement. So you go to the church and you're told Read Your Bible. You're told the pray every day. You're told to. Come to workshops in the seminars. Come to church. But you're still a pagan man. You're still a worldly person. You still lost after the pornography. You're still married to somebody and shacked up with somebody else. OR YOU'RE STILL Committing fornication. Or you're lying or you're cheating or you're stealing. You were crucified. You didn't die. So you're going through this process of self improvement. So, your life is a life of struggling. Doing the best you can. You're seeing some changes you've you've eliminated perhaps smoking. You might even gained the victory over alcohol or drugs. Many overcome alcohol and drugs by going. Day. And they're not even Christians. The human spirit. Is Strong Enough In most people. That they can turn aside from cigarettes or from alcohol. They can have. Seminars on. Anger Management. Time Management Stress Management. You can go to these workshops. And frankly I've taught. Strategic. Time Management. I've taught courses in conflict resolution. I've led. Professional People In conflict management. At Large Organizations With hundreds in attendance. All of this is. self-improvement. Tony Robbins. Thinking grow rich with Napoleon, Hill. Cried Bristol the magic of believing. Human Spirit. Working out of tree, the knowledge of good and evil. But it's not the tree of life. and. So you say, well. You Know God's is going to have to accept me as I am I can't Change Myself Center I'm always going to be a sinner. What can I do I I've done my best I've tried as hard as I can but I just can't make it. So we're all sinners were always going to be centers. And when Jesus comes again, I'll be transformed into his likeness. So death. Or when Jesus comes, you'll be saved. That's a false hope. It's not real. That's not how it works. There must be. A baptism? Into death. If you want. A Real resurrection? For we have become united in the similarity of his death. Then, we shall also be united in the similarity of his resurrection knowing this that our old man was crucified with him so that the body of sin may be destroyed. That, we not hereafter serve sin, but the ones having died have been freed from sin. Have you been freed from sin? If not, it's because you have not yet been crucified with Christ. or You have gone back. And rebuilt with the Holy Spirit destroyed in you. And many of us have done that I say to my shame. So I asked today the. Simple question. Have you been crucified with Christ? There will be no revival in America. Until. There is a willingness to be crucified with Christ. The church can pray. From now until it's blue in the face. And the judgments of God are going to fall on America and upon the Church. Why? Because we have thought that all we had to do was is believe in Jesus Trust Him and he would work it all out. No, he said deny yourself take up your cross, follow me to Golgotha. You Must Be Crucified with Christ. There must be a total crucifixion. Were bitterness and anger. Go to the cross. We're wickedness. Lust for money. Jealousy. Pride. Dissensions? Anger. They have to go to the Cross you have to be crucified with Christ. It's not simply. Trust and believe. And you're on your way to heaven. No it that's a false goes spoil. That's another gospel. It's not the gospel of Jesus Christ. If you want the gospel of, Jesus Christ. You're going to have to be united with Jesus in his death. Knowing this. That our old man was crucified with him. So that the body of sin may be destroyed. That we not hereafter serve sin. For the one having died has been freed from sin. HAVE BEEN FREED FROM SIN If not. Please come. please. Enter into the baptism of Jesus. By the Holy Spirit. Please, say, yes, Jesus crucify me. Yes Jesus let me totally die now. I am crucified with Christ I give up my life I give up my plans I, give up my ambitions I give up everything for the sake of Jesus I give up my dreams. I give up everything for Jesus have your way Jesus. And I'm crucified with Christ. It's a work that Jesus does in our hearts. It's referred to inscription as a circumcision of the heart done by the hand of Jesus himself. It's a supernatural work of death that we could live. UNTO. Jesus. That's all the time we have for today. We're going to continue this study next Tuesday. Tomorrow Friday and Monday. I'm going to take time to rest. Over the holiday. I'm going to take time to pray and read the Scriptures I'll be praying for you. Please pray for me. There will be prerecorded broadcasts. I need time to rest and pray. And that need to hear from you. I need your financial support to continue doing this broadcast. Would you go to? The Webpage National Prayer Chapel Dot Com. That's National Prayer Chapel Dot Com, and up in the right hand corner, you'll see a button. The says donate click on that. And it will take you to a web page where you can make your. Tie offering or regular offering. For this broadcast. In God bless you as you do that. I'd also love to hear from you. You can write to me at the National Prayer Chapel. Post Office box twenty, three, forty, six. Woodbridge Virginia. Two two, one, nine, five. And while I'm on this Youtube Video, please would you subscribe? And it also now if you go to the studio As a place where you can make comments live. Well, I'm doing the broadcast. It can give very honest feedback. What's happening in your heart as you listen to the broadcast. You're welcome to go there and make those comments. Now. Let me pray for you. Lord we have believed. sincerely. Honestly we have believed Something that is not the Gospel. Our hearts have been deceived. We have believed that we could enter into salvation without crucifixion without denying ourselves without dying. And Lord the result has been. There's no resurrection in your Church today. And Lord this s to change. I. Pray Almighty, King. That, you would come an open hearts and minds of your people. Each person listening right now? Lord. Caused them to cry out to you. That you would finish this work of crucifixion in their hearts. Thank you Jesus I pray in your holy name. Amen Man. You've been listening to Pilgrim's Progress I'm Ray Greenlee. God bless you my dear brother and sister I. Love You. I'm encouraged by your comments I'm encouraged by your subscribing to the Youtube. please. Cry Out to the Lord and pray for me. And I'll talk to you soon. I love you. God bless you.

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MEMBERS: Are You a Legalist or an Antinomian?

Theocast - Reformed Theology

15:28 min | 6 months ago

MEMBERS: Are You a Legalist or an Antinomian?

"Welcome to the members. Podcast not sure. How many more weeks. I'm going to be able to say that because please not very many pretty soon. Be where it's going to be welcomed people to simple referenda try. Hey you've joined the reformation. That's right others to do the same all right anyway so we were talking about a couple of things at the very end of the regular episode that we wanna to pick up on now for you. Guys are members assists sort of team time family fireside chat time and we want to begin. Think with the little piece. That i dropped at the end where i made the statement that it is very normal and we see this happen frequently. Where people who have been in a legalistic context and have been burned by that. They swing all the way over on pendulum right into anti communism. It's a common thing for a reason. And i'll just going start this john. And then you just riff on this harvey you want the reason that it happens so frequently you go from legalism all the way over and fall off the other side of the horse into empty nominalism is because legalism and anti semitism come from the same place. They come from and are driven by a legal spirit. And let's be real. Every one of us as human beings have a legal spirit. The question is just whether or not we have a tender conscience right. Because i think we've already alluded to some of that before because the person who has the legal spirit and doesn't have a conscience. It's really aware of how messed up. They are they tend to be legalistic. And self righteous and intolerable the person who has a very tender conscience who is also a legalist at heart ends up despairing and just in an obvious way like hating god and hitting the wall and so for the people that have been in a legalistic context and have been hurt by that and maybe just feel and condemned all the time and just really burned and wounded. They run off into anticommunist because they are still being driven by a legal spirit. They have not yet seen and fully understood the gospel of jesus christ and everything that he accomplished for them in their new identity and status. That is there's in him because as we said earlier on the regular podcast it was clear. Only in rightly understanding the gospel. In the work of christ for you and in rightly understanding your new identity and status in jesus that is secure an unshakable only in knowing that and being grounded in that. Could you ever look at the and say it's good and neither the legalist nor the anti noman because again being driven by illegal spirit. Not gospel Neither of those people can rightly discern. In what the law is and thereby on the one side. You've just think that you can do it and threatened people all time. Who aren't as disciplined as you or whatever and then on the other sides like well. I'm done and bump this. I'm gonna go do something else. Yeah it's fun watching these people. Those you don't know we have a facebook group Growing and we have new people coming in. And then they are they are they're skyrocketing in their joy. There being liberated it's it's great and haven't quite learned all the lingo yet. They don't know law gospel distinction yet but man they are like pisces is bad pipe ism is bad and they see it everywhere and so you see the you see you know coats coming in from john piper and john macarthur you know even our role and paul washer and they're like his his mind as mrs packages miserable and so you just see it everywhere and all of you know you can you can hear it and and this is kind of getting to the point that i was making earlier is that we have to be really patient with people who are making this transition and for those of you that are making this transition. You need to be real you need to live by this motto. You don't know what you don't know and so you need to be very careful about putting your next foot in front of your an in front of you but where your pot to put it down as the right place because sometimes people just go running into things like whoa time out. You start with crawling. Then we'll we'll get walking and then and so what happens is you take your sword and you become the pilots as police and you're just gonna caught it down everywhere man. I've seen people go out and call john piper a heretic. John macarthur heretic. I'm just like why are we need to calm down. Like this is not the way this is done and so you know my encouragement to you is that if you new to the oh cast and it's like you've been liberated and you love it. We just now over here. Both hands in the air we then. This is amazing. We wanna see you love. Christ obey christ is glorious One of the reasons why we've kind of make an adjustment to our ministries for this very purpose is that band. There's so many people in that facebook group that are just blowing up with great questions. Will they are. Because they're transitioning out of legalism out of that is to environment and they're encountering freedom for the first time and it's like oh what do i do with this. It's and it's scary. It's deliberating it's disorienting. It's almost like when paul's like women need to be quiet in the church because there was like this explosion of liberation. Like oh wait you know. We don't have to put up with all of this and paul's like well as calm down for a second now. People misinterpret that passing literally with first corinthians fourteen on his head anyway but no but the point of it was it was just like i know it's like we'll hold on hold on hold on. I know we're excited about being liberated here. Really calm down per second anyway. Now i feel like we need to do no harm. First screenings fourteen. About how grossly. I misunderstood that rosie me it let me finish my point. Let's keep going yes We'll just leave that out there for a teaser. For days in a confused for another time we. We don't believe that women have to be silent in church. It's now we do not. We're not gonna explain that today. Not test button. We wanna united together. I know we want to get together and allow you to be able to processing decompress in and and encourage one another in this reformation. So this is kind of where this is where our new ministries coming separate for monda is a new podcast with a kind of really a new push design and it's a community of online and local meetings where we want you to gather and process this information. Listen this is not churches should not replace churches. Matter of fact you can be an sr leader unless you go to a church in your member of one so if do cast is pro church so but the cast is not your church. No i am not your pastor. Edm your pastor your officially church disciplined out of my church and you need to find the only say your their pastor of their members of grace reformed church and on your pastor if your members of coming out disturbs but other than my point is if you say master. I'm officially church discipline. You there you go. You can no longer come your your penalty. The point of it is We want to help as many people as possible. We feel like this is an easy way to throw a flag in the city and say are the there any other listeners in this area that their minds are being blown and they just wanna talk through this. Wanna talk with other people about like the reformation that's going on in your heart mind We want to help channel all this energy. That's happening in facebook and look luscious be frank Technology super volatile right now. I'm not sure what's going on with facebook. Know they have the right to tank anytime they want and now now we don't have a way to communicate so we're trying to open up as of communication and create our own standalone app platform. Whatever that's right and what's really exciting about this as as people gather in cities and that allows let us know where we can do some local gatherings and gathered together and come together and maybe do some some regional meetings and a little amaze the people man were also working on a conference so tune for that. I think my word of the people out there who are transitioning out of just straight up legalism or some kind of blending of and gospel where there's a lot of works righteousness stuff is continue. I mean more than anything. Continue to consider the lord. Jesus christ and what he has done for you. I mean that is really the answer it we say this all the time. You don't want to just tear things apart and burn stuff down and like that's kinda easy to do because in fallen man like nobody gets it right all the time and we all make mistakes and there's errors in all of our thinking and so if we're just trying to go around and only poke holes all the time it's gonna be easy to do and you're going to basically ruin friendships and alienate people watchdog ministries. Yeah so don't just do that. Like i would actually discourage you from doing that. I mean yes. Seek to clear up. Misunderstanding did a gracious humble patient. Way but don't always just be tearing down and burning down stuff. What you wanna do is consider christ for your own heart and point other people to him. You continue to remind people of the fact that nothing is ever going to be required of us that jesus has not already given us. I mean talk like that you ask those questions like. Is there something that just going to be required of you. That jesus hasn't secured for you That's a great question rather than like poking somebody in the i you know as what we wanna do is consider the sufficiency of christ's together. Because you wanna pull people from something that is sinking sand and pull them onto the solid rock. That's the goal and that's the project and yeah we hope that simple referenda and groups all these things and maybe even a forum and all that kind of stuff that we may create through all. This is going to be useful to that end and yet be patient with other people around you and find a good church for goodness sakes. I find a church where you're going to be given christ in the preaching in the table in the prayers and the songs the whole thing. Try if you can't find one you move. I mean he won't be able to do this alone. You can't not meant to live the christian. The christian mike never meant to be lived alone. Nancy one of the greatest joys just in an hour just talking about this Justin and i were just talking about ministry and pastoring and then when when i see someone coming in my church and take them out for lunch and then they ask me. Hey tell me about your church. And i get done describing. And there's tears in their eyes because it's two things they've never really heard before you're center and i know you're a center and we're going to help you carry this burden that you have owned by the way we love you the d- people don't know what to do with themselves. Really wait wait wait a minute this that that's what christianity looks like. This is what the church looks like yet. Yeah this is a place of rest. This is a place of joy this place of peace and comfort and then we are going to liberate you to then love and give joy to other people That's what church should be. I will tell you this Dessert you're are people. So i'm going to be open. In frank i don't like watchdog ministries because watchdog ministries crate watchdog church members. And it's like you're just biden and barking at people all the time and i'm like listen. Jesus described himself as a shepherd. Not a watchdog. Okay a lot love people when you care for them when you will be patient with them. Not bargain can bite them. Those kinds of people are uncharitable. One to exhaust thing and you want those things. You don't want to be either one of those things. I think you want to find church friends. Where the general messages You know god is holy your wretch christ's is your righteousness in his able to save you sufficient. Let's walk together if that sounds good to you. Then welcome and i. It's it's unique environment. You know where sin is not soft pedal. We're about what we were like. Sometimes people outside of the church because of what they've seen of the church will rightly. Say well you know. I don't really wanna join the church. Because it's just a pit vipers which we would say. I mean this is what makes biblical christianity unique pods which we say sable we agree. We agree with you slither on anytime. Enjoy your the kettle. It's like the difference between the church and the world is not that show. The world is diverse and the churches. And it's the church actually knows where pit vipers in need of righteousness. We don't have just and we know that christ is provided that for us and so we can be honest about what we were and we can be honest about the the corruption of our flesh still remains we can exhort one another toward godliness because it's good and it's not threatening or scary and we can rest in the jesus christ together you know and that's why you need that. I need that. I mean my gosh. I can't imagine where i would be if i didn't have brothers and sisters around. You didn't think that way you know and this is. We're trying to build a community through. Theo cast with simple referenda and at the same time. We're hoping that all of this is used and we have designs on this to for the coming decades. I'm going to use that language of an association of churches and even church planting that might result from that try and we want to see more churches planted. That are preaching the gospel. And have this the and this is a means to that end so anyway. Continue to partner with us and continue supporting this ministry you for joining the reformation. Encourage your friends your family like that. You go to church with encourage them to do the same and We are grateful to the lord had an thankful to him for the work. he's done and were hopeful and expect it for what he'll continue to do. And we're grateful for your partnership with us. It means a lot and couldn't do what we do without you and right. Oh continue to pray for us just to. We would have wisdom that we would have stamina as we need to pass their churches. And do this podcast. Every week and If you have things that you want to hear from us we want to hear from you and if there are things that are on your heart and mind that you would be helped By us having a conversation about them certainly let us know that they wind to get it in the hopper. So i don't know there's a lot of other things i could say john. That's pretty pretty much it for me. Well write your donations There's a church plant coming and I know that it sounds. It's true. I mean without the support of the finances to help this deterred like just i can't edit this. We can't do. We can't do all that stuff. We don't have the time to re pastors. So your money helped pay for all of that and not only that working on a new book. primer on. What is reformed theology. All of this is made possible. Because you guys so we just i. i can't say thank you enough. And if the lord shut down then you know we'll raise him and honor him but as of right now. It seems like people are finding austin. And we're thankful for that. In his as long as the lord gives us the strengthen energy to do it and the money to pay for it where you will continue to try and serve each other and love each other and lead people to find resting price so thanks for joining the army. And let's continue the reformation. We'll talk again next week.

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20190421

Brethren of the Lord Jesus Christ

32:42 min | 2 years ago

20190421

"Hello, hello. I'm doing podcast today. And it is today. The twenty first of April two thousand nineteen. So this is the Sunday over the in this Easter. Holiday, even though we don't go back to to to absorbing mountain days. I'm telling you to in order to be able to to know the podcast where when it was done. And so on. And I do this all to the glory of Lord Jesus Christ. I pray slow Jesus Christ, Lord and savior and. I should start to say in this podcast that. Thinking of giving you some preachers, and the first thing I would like to say reading your king games bible everyday. Is very important. That's much much more important than than any other. If you kind of like. For some people end up listening to preachers, you know. And of course, you have your own personal relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ. But but it's good to get some guidance from scripture. I think it's good to be to spend time in the scripture every day. And. I'm going to add here now. A link to. Advice on buying your first King James bible. So so this link here. That I added to show notes I linked there is a link to the books that I recommend the king gains bibles that. I recommend that you buy and you can get one from you can get them from. Three interior bible society, which is located in the UK. But if you are living in the USA, you can get from local short bible, publishers. Instead, you know from not this because they are good is. Yes that they don't ship internationally. So therefore, if you're living outside of the USA, you can use this document. It's basically basically Cambridge entry Italian bible society that I have certain bibles that I recommend for. And. So I have this link there you can shake out in the show notes. I also have a slide share presentation which contains some slides that I did when I did you to videos, and so on I I did slides, and and these are slides about all kinds of things in the Christian life. So I added linked to that too in the show notes here. Now, then I'm going to talk a bit about preachers. And mentioned some preachers. So it can say I Dave hunt. He's a preacher that I think you could consider I think is a bit dry. And but and he's a debater is an apologist. But but I think you couldn't consider looking at bitter team. Then we have poor washer. Now Paul wash as is a Caliban east Amman Jellicoe evangelist Dave hunt on the other end. The is is an apologetic. It's basic someone who debates or reasons. And Dave Hahn t used this express and lettuce recent together because I thought I notice debating is a in in Romans. So I wanted to these are below apologetic have the do they do they justify that? Aren't they seeing when they are debating? And I noticed that this stuff about let us reason together. It's Lord that talks to one of his. Sheep in this area. So it's not really about that the brethren are two recent together, it doesn't say so in the by. But that's interesting. I think because people seem to believe that we are to reason, you know, we are to work out our salvation with fear and trembling, but it doesn't say we are two recent together in the bible. Which because it says debate is seen it says. But it doesn't die there say that, you know. That it should be a pyramid structure with one person running into the the recent some people think that is the case in the bible is because they were postals. In the bible, but I don't see an postals today. So we thought the postals you would just have enders, and they would be plural. So there wouldn't be you know, one. Running the congregation. So I mentioned Dave Paul washer. I wanted to mention also. Yes in Utah is a who is not really he's not a paid preacher. I gave you a link to his YouTube channel lost time. I think he's not a paid preacher. He say he I would describe him in the category of holiness, spirituality, and Calvinism. And when I say holiness, it's because he's into this that God is the God is not the bible, though, were the bible is not God, you know, and goes on about that. And it's true that the bible is not God. But you know, people who say that they tried to. Make make some point you know. And I think they can have a point sometimes, but you can you can actually do take the argument. And use it for your own advantage to to basically. Put your own spirit about the Holy Ghost. Because that's the way that you can. But so I mentioned Justin yuji's here. Also, and these preachers are in the show notes. So let's see we're going to take another one. We're going to look at. Peter as Rakhmon. I think is interesting in good. You know, even though I don't agree with everything he says, pitas ruckman. It's it's a man he's the one who started rook rook Mannesmann, and he's basically started the Pensacola institute, so he's a founder of a of a university that teaches his teachings. He's interprofessional the bible and its dispensational. Pre tribulation rapture. And pitas rook man believes also in something called dispensational salvation. He believes somehow that the Old Testament saints were saved by works while we are saved by faith through faith. Even though he the book of Hebrews makes it quite clear that that the Old Testament saints were saved by faith. So I there's some things I just don't see how he reasons my what I think is see how the reasons the reasoning behind the idea that the Old Testament saints were saved by works was that they sacrificed goats and lambs in a temple, and they were saved by but somewhere enrollments it says that these sacrifices that they made it did not actually just it's a temporary. You know covering of seen. It didn't do the full work. So you can't really say they were saved by the sacrifices they made. And when you look in Hebrews, you see clearly that they'll testament saints were saved by faith. It Sasso talks about the Rahabe talks about. Abraham and about this. Judge that that was. The son of a harlot. What's yester- yesterday? And who beheaded his own daughter because he had made an oath and. He's mentioned as an example in faith. And people don't have difficulty understanding that the difficulty understanding. How the God, you know? God it doesn't mean we should go around and behead our children. Of course, not. But not that Jeff that deed behead. He did kill his own daughter. And he's mentioned as an example for through faith. And why is that? While I explain it's because yes, Dr made an oath to God that he would kill the the person who that he said something like if God let him win the battle. He would kill the person who I walked out with house when he came back and those daughter came running. You see? So it's it's really not about. It's about one Abram lifted the knife to to sacrifice is sack. It's not really about that you have some desire to kill human beings. What did what he's talking about here? It's your faith is a turn to turn it. It's not you know, you have faith in in the life after death. And those who have no experience of life after death or understanding of that. He's he's he's a judgment to come. They wouldn't understand this. In fact, you can get in trouble. Of course, we are not to as Christians. We do not. We do not kill people. We do not harm people. We do not cut off people's arms or blackout. There is or or or hurt them in some way that's clear in the New Testament. We do not do that. So I want to stress that to make a point here. So that you understand that that's not Christian behavior to do such a thing. I'm just pointing out that salvation is by faith and raw hub that that invited spies into our home. I think she was facing the death penalty for doing that. But she didn't fear death because she realized that there was a turn a life there and she cared more about tunnel life. She feared God more than Satan. It says somewhere in the bible that the one that control that has dominion or has the who can kill you physically. He's Satan it Satan that can kill your body. It's actually mentioned in the bible somewhere. And it's God that can destroy your soul in hell. So we and destroy your soul in. How do does not mean? I think that you'd be a nearly eight after death is simply means that you will suffer and be tormented for turn ity in hell or lake of fire. So I wanna point out. Also that the recent tonal judgment to come. And that tunnel judgment is gonna come. I probably in about more bit more than a thousand years from now off to the millennial reign row. Jesus Christ from euro solemn. When he come has come back at the second coming, and then everyone is going to be judged, including everyone that does not believe in Christ. They're all going to stand before him. They're going to be judged and those that don't. Have faith. Enlarged sus Christ. They're never died without faith. They are going to be tormented forever in the lake of fire. So it's not like you can be an atheist and get away with it. You know, you don't get away with it. So pointing out some more. Preachers. I will dimension Gail rippling. And she is she is good that she has done collation work on on bible versions. So she's good at the analysis of the kingdom's bibles on gala rippling. And she's on YouTube. Let's see if I can find any other preachers. I could maybe recommend biblical Christianity. On YouTube biblical Christianity, you could check that out. Maybe if you're interested there is a guy doing live there. That is quite good. And let's see if there's any thing more here. Well. Yeah. You could check out service Christie. I think is called. So it was Christie on YouTube. Also, I think he has a website called beginning of sorrows. Dot org. And. Let's see there's someone else that is really good. That I can recommend. Well, of course, we have Alexander score. With these key. Would you bibles, you know? He's good. Let's see at the moment. I'm not remembering anyone else here. But notice that some of these are cabinets some of these are not calumny some of his are are against Calvinism. But I don't judge people depending on on whether they are Calvin steak or are million or neither Calvinistic gore? Meaning I don't judge them by that I because we are to come to our own conclusions about the we have to discern doesn't say in the bible. Make Calvinism is mentioned in the bible. You know, and neither is our million is men's on. We ought to disown ourselves. And I show you a bit to what I've come to conclusion about in this ornament. I'm not saying all of these are right in everything or that. They can know who is saved north or whatever I'm saying kind of that I've learned from these. I should also mention this one with a bit of warning. And that's more. And he has. Israel by the prophecy. And you see co. Temple watch. And this man is interesting because he's Jewish ju ju that paves the Lord Jesus Christ and Jews can you know, they have some a juice. I think have some advantage in terms of sometimes until of literal Lee. What's it called literal talent or or word or reading talents or or understanding scripture talent? And this might be because of you know, they be now. Having it, you know scripture for very long time. And so on. And but I wanna make a warning about more sharing that he he says that you have to be circumcised to be saved. He does say you can't beat Swire in OB concrete bake on and. I think it's something about that. You should move to Israel or something or wasn't it? Maybe not moved to Israel. But. I don't agree with him regarding sink. So the scripture cannot be broken and in the scripture. It says that. Let no mon- judge you by what you eat or drink or by the Sabbath or by holiday. You know, and. So I don't think we should be. I don't I don't think the Hebrew roots movement really has biblical basis. I don't I think you're were going to some kind of worked salvation a bit. When we tried to think that we can get to have him by what we eat and drink. You know, I I don't approve of that. But I don't think you know, that we should judge those that eat and drink certain things and say that they can't get to heaven. You know? And that applies also to drunkards shouldn't really judge drunkards. We know that the the wages of seen is death and being a death and being drunkard. He's a sin, but but we shouldn't judge their salvation. But we should not have company with a brother that he's a drunker that's clearing the bible. So I don't have company with any brother that he said drunk or drug addict, which I think is another former of drunk curtness now. I had something else here. I was going to show you. Let's see the I found a book on the internet. And it's written by someone living in the sixteen hundreds. And. He's name. Let's see. Is Hansard knowledge. And I'm going to. Put some links here. In the. It's has an all his commentary on revelation, and and. This book is also may available as a kindle edition for three four and five dollars at Amazon, but I have a link to where it's available for free on on internet. So how he's name is. Spelled you can check out in the show notes, Hansard knowledge and he's done a commentary on revelation. And why do I mention this? Well. I'm reading it to beat them. It's a bit controversial because. Because he says that we are most of the book revelation has already happened. And I've found kind of there are different groups of how they interpret revelation and the dispensational King James bible believers say that generally, they are pre trib rapture or they Mitri Bratcher upholstery. Bratcher, but they're into this rapture seven years. And then the rapture, you know. But knowing the book revelation does it say that the period of the Booker ablation is seven years y'all long. So that's an interpretation which I don't really see basis for I see these Daniel's seventieth week. But I I don't see it really, you know. I don't believe that. It's really. A very clear interpretation that that's the case the really that is true. But these people that so this Hanson knowledge. Comintern revelation tries to kind of explain. Explain that we're around revelations seventeen now. So we've gone through a lot of revelation or maybe so revelation eighteen or whatever, and I have trouble with understanding these for example, the two witnesses in revelation eleven I think it is that come down on earth and prophesy then they killed by the mall, and then they are resurrected and they go up into heaven in in the body. Now, this doesn't happen. At least no one has told me ties anywhere in the world. So that has led me to the conclusion that we simply haven't paused this place in the book of revelation. So how do they interpret all of this stuff? If they say that he says happened already, and what I find out what I think is that they have a symbolical interpretation of the book of revelation. What that means is they not literal don't have a literal interpretation. The literal interpretation of the King James bible. There you have I think Peter's rook Mongalia rippling or. Yeah. There there you have them. And they say that if it says, this is a parable, or if it says the kingdom of heaven is like then it's not literal because it says that it's a metaphor. Or it's an illustration, you know, but he doesn't say that. It's an illustration, then it is literal and in the book relation it doesn't say that it is an illustration. So they say, this is literal. But the Booker relation is a special book it's a bit different than the other books of the bible because it's actually called the revelation of Lord of Jesus Christ revelation of Jesus Christ. And no other book is called that. And. What does this really mean? And my opinion personally about the Booker relation is that it has multiple meanings that can all be true at the same time because the King James bible or the the the scripture is a soup is supernatural in its nature. So there's nothing strange about that. It can be true in many times in many ways at the same time. So what I'm saying is that that can be a rap juror can be appreciable after and all that. Then vanished can still be true that that it can be interpreted as that. We are revelation eighteen hours on. So how do they interpret these things? Well, the they inter I think I this is what I think or this is what happens that knowledge. I read some about his chapter eleven he interprets these to witness it goes back to his sequel and talks about the two lamp stands. I think and. So I think these two prophets actually represents something about the world the same people that are kind of earthly say people, you know, like you could make once case for that. It's the Old Testament saints and the New Testament saints that represents these two are proof prophets. These two witnesses. And many were Denver martyred, you know, and they do a worse record. You know, not not in the body, actually but going up, but you see the point here that that. That that's a symbolic interpretation of this. Then you can say maybe that it's the prophets, and whatever what is the second most important come prophets. And and ministers, maybe maybe someone said, I think prophet and ministers of the bible, or the, you know saved the prophets administer. So that have existed through the ages. They are represented by these two witnesses and so on then when you get to the Mark of the beast literal interpretation of the Mark of the beast, which you know. These like, the dispensational King James bible believers, they will say that the Mark of the beast is ship in the hand and in the forehead because the Mark of the beast is to be in the hand and the forehead, but the symbolic interpretation would be then that it's the actions that you do and the what do you do with your mind what you do with your forehead for it is is the cortex. I think it's basically the part of the of the brain that has ex-executive and planning and so on I think so in that sense. The four, Ed. Is that what you plan? So if you plan to do evil, and then you do eve or with your hands. You see you see hand then head this planning and doing. So it's like premeditated home aside. You know, that's a serious crime. In terms is much more serious premeditated homicide than is what's it called manslaughter? In the bible somewhere. It says that. Those that say that's do evil. So good may come their damnation is just it's so. The point here that these people have they claim that the Mark of the beast is those that do evil with our that plan out and do evil. That's the Mark of the beast. You know? And those that commit that sin than they are. Going into the lake of fire, and the Jesus and his angels are are watching as they are putting the lake of fire. And they burn there forever. You know? So that's their interpretation of the Mark of the beast. Now, I'm saying it can be both. You know, but you have other things that happened in the book revelation that we would have extra how could this be explained symbolically? And but what I'm want to talk first about this mystery Babylon? So this hands it knowledge, he has the idea of that the churches today, not all churches, I think, but you know. The Catholic church is and also some of the national churches like I think it said Presbyterian. And something called lords bishops, which I don't know what it is. But these churches or these people they are. Mystery Babylon so you we should avoid them. And this interesting because it's just in Utah. He also talks about that, the charges are mystery Babylon and that we are currently in revelation eighteen so he seems to have a similar belief system as hands knowledge. Now, the columnists are not pre trib rapture people like Paul washer service Christie. These people are not pretty Bradford. Not matrix raptor. I think that when it comes to Dave auntie. I haven't mentioned him much. Dave haunt his is just like he's a dispensational king games or he's a dispensational. He believes as the original scripture in Greek and Hebrew is inspired. And he's a pre trib ruptured dispensational preacher who is not Calvin est. So. I talked about these preacher. And I talked about this book. Comment on revelation by Hansard knowledge, which for me as given shines shed some light on trying to understand more just in nutrient is talking about now. I should also mentioned something else. I think. Okay. So I put in the show notes also links to videos by Brian downing who is also dispensational King James bible believer just like patriots cookman enga-. I think a rippling. He has done to Vegas in the first video is called, I'm spiritual but not religious and you find the link in show notes and this video. This is a bit. Just Justin Eugene's talks about just in YouTube says say, basically, I'm spiritual but not religious, and then he goes on with the second thing, you also goes on about because Brian Dowling has made another video call worship guard not book, and that's also what was just a new. She says worship God not to book. So what is the true position, you should have towards statement? But I use Janez STAN worship, God, not the book is a way can be a way to try to lead people away from scripture. You know, it's true that we are to worship Lord Jesus Christ. But and we are to foresee this, you know, big the Scripps thinks that may quick into us through the scripture. So it's scriptures very important. So this is the way they do their mock you kinda if you read the bible and so on. Or if your comments from the bible, the mock, you, you know, and just in you just can do this. He can he can react against people who put scripture on his shadow and so. He says that people made you're on the bible are not saved zone and the other video unspiritual, but after religious that's just in. You just goes on about that all the time, and Brian Denning says here that that's the kind of statement that lost people say to you. And he says that the reason they say this is because they don't want rules. They don't want rule. So they say, I'm spiritual. But after religious, you know. And you know, we are, you know, just because we are believing largest Jesus Christ doesn't mean that we are too. Going to saying, you know, or break the law, or you know, to do criminals stuff so on in fact, it says so in the bible. Let's none of you suffer as an evil doer or as a thief or as a busy body in Omni man in the merger or as a busy body in other men's matters. So we are not to transgress, you know, national into due to to to commit crimes, you know, to to. We are to follow the national laws on. Okay, now, it's paused half an hour, and it's getting long. So I'm gonna end this now. So I praise Lord Jesus Christ Lord and savior. The only begotten son of the only living God, the only mediator between God and man between man. And God I mean and the the only savior, and he is the life. The way and the truth though, Jesus Christ and. I. I bless someone you out there who love low Jesus Christ. And I ask all of you to. Who do do not come to faith in Jesus Christ yet to to? To to understand that there's going to be judgment, and and you're going to be judged too. And. Those who don't believe though, Jesus Christ going to be tortured tormented forever in the lake of fire. So I said, yes, you you you repent of your arm belief believing though Jesus Christ. But you're not forced to do anything. It's your you can do what you want with your life. And I'm not here to force anything upon you. You have a free will. And it's your choice and Jesus Christ will never force anyone to go against his own to go to go to to do what he doesn't want to do. You know, you're not being forced here. No one is forcing anyone. We're just informing your Garissa judgment to come. So I think I'm in now. So God bless your mom. Bye. For now.

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#21 Can a believer lose his salvation?

Christian Podcast Community

54:02 min | 1 year ago

#21 Can a believer lose his salvation?

"In the last episode we discussed God's sovereignty over the global covid nineteen pandemic. We also looked at Luther. Face in the fifteen hundreds when a pandemic came to Vinton Berg and how we should respond biblically to pandemics, because they may come again in our lifetime, we also discussed how churches are currently navigating through it. We really hope that we get back together very soon. And that all fifty states will be seen as any central institution, not just the marijuana shops planned parenthood, but the church is really what's essential this? This episode we tackle the million dollar question, this question has been debated all throughout the ages and Christians have stepped on one side of the aisle or the other on the proverbial line drawn in the sand. Much of this stems from one's interpretation of scripture. However, we know that God never speaks out of both sides of his mouth. What is the question in question? 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What are we looking at someone who went forward to an alter and recited words that someone told them to pair it after them. Is that what we're talking? And signed a card philly. Why why does it seem like you're coming at me? Here? all right. How did you know my story? That's my convergence story right there. Not No, no, we. We definitely are not talking about that. You know we're we're. We're talking about John Three. We're talking about this. Being born again. This idea that we're dead in our trespasses and sins, and that the believe in Jesus, Christ his debt his life death. Burial and his rising again, what it means for us that that that we are no longer under the wrath of God that's that's what we mean obviously can go deeper into the explanation, but it's someone who is identified with Christ completely, both from the the punishment that he received on the cross as well as his ascension to be on the right hand of God, right right? Yeah, Amen, well, it's interesting because we just had a wonderful time two weeks ago and yesterday as well just looking at what is called the new birth N. N Just Been Dissecting John Chapter three and it just so rich and so deep I know that I really didn't truly understand all the theological richness of the new birth, even when I experienced the new birth looking at the scripture now I mean it is just really an amazing thing. I knew very little at the time I was born again, and now just looking at the reality of what God did. It's like there's just volumes of depth there that just ause my own soul well. I'm glad you know logo more still know very little. but but like I said I it's. It's a beautiful thing I think you know reading devotional. Reading for pleasure, but but I think there's something to be said for studying the word of God and I think studying income passes all of those things right because it forces you to go a little bit deeper, and and I think this is what we're going to do. Today is try to go a little bit deeper and I think I think there's a lot of people who are believers were truly saved truly been born again, and they just don't think too deeply about what it means to say they don't. They don't really think about salvation. That's of. It is something that they've. They've experienced and now they need to work on something out and and. I think the one thing we do know. Is We never leave that? That's that's the foundational part that's supposed to be reminded refreshed every single day. Yeah, yeah, I think it was Paul Washer who said many people treat salvation like flu shot. I got that shot now I'm GonNa go onto something deeper as you just said. But what's deeper than the Gospel You could fill in the blank. There I'm just waiting. You're going to wait a long time. That's right. There's there's nothing deeper than the Gospel I mean it is past present and future It is what saves me. What keeps me saved and went brings me all the way home one day in heaven, and as we were looking at John Chapter Three. You know it's interesting. Because this was the man that approached Jesus was Nicodemus and Nicodemus was one of the San. He driven when he was one of the Pharisees I think there are about six thousand of them at the time. But. He was in the elite navy seal class. Call the Sand Hadrian, which were seventy two men and He was even among that group. He was the cream of the cream of the crop he he was called a teacher of Israel and he. He met Jesus. He came to Jesus by night. you know, so he came you know like Jewish, ninja-like here and you know he asked Jesus. Jesus the question and he calls Jesus, a man come from God or a rabbi. Come from God and what I find very interesting about that is that he was a little off said. We know that you are a teacher. Come from God because this. He wasn't a teacher. Come from God, but rather he was God come to teach you see. Interpretation is very important, isn't it? I mean just the way. Way that that is said and understood in in the realistic way. Nicodemus had the wrong interpretation of WHO Christ was even at the initial conversation he was having with him. Definitely definitely, and I think every interaction that was had by men was always misapplied. And you know it's understandable because you know he's a creator of the universe. And how can you properly address him even even if you just read? Read the Bible back to him. He's still wouldn't be able to capture the Majesty of God. And I think one of the reasons why we're discussing. This is primarily the fact that usually. When someone asked this question, the real question is am. I saved right. You know not you know it's like should I be worried? Is there something happening or something that you see in me? That should concern me. And one of the things. Is that I that I that I'm when I when I know that's the root of it. That actually encourages me because most unbelievers are not really thinking about this question. Yeah, yeah, that's that's very true. And and and and I like what he says here it. Says Jesus answered him, but when you look at the versus before what's interesting when Jesus answered him, we don't see any question. It's been asked. So like what question did Jesus answering because we don't have a question for him to answer, yeah, I think I think just. Confirming that, Hey, this man that I think is a man is beyond me right? He's the real deal. Yeah, yeah, and so like but Nicodemus. He this guy is this guy knows a law I mean he knows the word of God. He knows about the law and the Prophets I. Mean this this is this is this guy's a walking Bible mean this was the kind of guy that knows chapter and verse, and just rolls off his tongue. When the Jehovah's Witnesses would would come to his door, he didn't have to search through the Bible I mean he was a walking Bible if you will but as much as he knew. He still did not know if he was saved or not. He still did not know the reality of the new birth, and as religious as he was. This man still needed to be born again, and it just goes to show US somebody could be very religious. They could even know the Bible backward and forward, and still be lost, and not understand the message of being born again in the Kingdom of God because Jesus said. Unless one is born again. He came in see the kingdom. We'll pass the fill so like that's what I'm saying. Well, that's the real question, right or one of the or the question that we need to answer before we get to deepen it, so man like like the. Who was one of the six thousand, and then he was a crumble cram at the seventy two, and he was of the seventy two weeks one above those those people, if if that kind of man with that kind of authority that kind of brain, that kind of influence, that kind of a life had to sneak in darkness to go ask a question of a man that he respected. What what what would you advise as a pastor? Would you give a believer or someone just asking this question about salvation? Like what? What are some things that they should be looking forward to say okay? Hey, you know I, have some confidence here. Yeah, yeah, no, that's a good question. Well the first thing is somebody has actually understand what salvation is. Versus what it's not Many people believed that salvation is someone who a pastor said he wants to be saved re-closure. Close Your eyes by your head lifter Pinky I see Pinky AC- that being okay. No all those that raise their pinkie. Come forward now I. Don't know why he had. Everybody closes is just GONNA. Tell them all the come forward, and you know what everybody's eyes, open So, they can walk by faith. You know they they closer. I show they can feel comfortable, and and you know be like Nicodemus coming without anybody knowing about it, but then he calls him up anyway, and then he tells him repeat after me and a pair at the words, and then they normally signed the card and boom. You know they're greeted into the Kingdom of God and now apparently then. God picks up his verbiage. Verbiage Pen and writes their name in the lamb's book of life at that moment, and that's what I learned, and now I've learned that that was false, that's not how God operates now now now pacifists, so, but it is possible that someone could not be saved from that process, but could be saved spite the process absolutely make sure that was clear. It's very clear I couldn't agree more right so. That formula is now what saves someone although someone could be saved in spite of that, it was the for me and anyone else who's went through. That process got gotTA saved. It wasn't because of the process. It was because of the born again experiences because of what God did, and sewed in the heart, not because of what mandate not because a card was signed in words were repeated. It's because of what happened within a man or woman who has been born again. It was a work of it was a supernatural miraculous work of God and not a work of man not. Not at all what what what well I? Think we both agree that that process like you said is not. What does it right correct out? Should should we feel something? Should should everything be the same, but now we just Christians I? Mean I I know this is a tough. You know kind of button down, but I think these are the questions people ask like. Should they feel different? Should they be happy all the time I mean? Do they stop sinning? I think I John Deals with that you know. I was studying a little bit of that before we started talking about. These are the things I think we to kind of button-down I think really difficult, and they probably do kind of vary with each person. Yeah, yeah, well, let me answer the question this way down the road here in judge up to three. When Jesus was still speaking he, he spoke about unless one is born of the water and the spirit he cannot enter the Kingdom of God and many people look at that especially, those in the one is pentecostal movement as water baptism, but nothing could be further. From the truth on that one that has nothing to do actually with water baptism, because if we look in I, believe it's Ezekiel, thirty six versus four and You're twenty six. Here's what he says. I will clinch you, and I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit with I put within you, I will remove your heart of stone from your flesh, and I will give you a heart of flesh, and I will put my spirit within you and cause you to walk in. In my statutes and be careful to obey hear what he says. I'M GONNA. SPRINKLE clean water on you That is something that Nicodemus would've understood. I mean he would have comprehended what Ezekiel wrote concerning the new birth, and so God removes a heart of stone, and replaces it with a heart of flesh, and when the heart transplant takes place. If you will yes, something within US changes, we begin to have a new heart with new desires and we, we begin to love things we hated. So we begin to love the guy that we hated the love, the scriptures that we despised a to love the people of God which you know, we didn't love before. And we begin to hate the sin that we once loved, and we begin to love God and Adore and delight in very God that we rebelled against, and we did everything possible to live a rebellious life. Because we had a heart, there was there was spewing rebellion. Rebellion and now we have a heart that could spew worship unto God, So yes, there absolutely is a change. Many people say I have a new relationship. God but I think we have to ask the same question to we ever new relationship with said exactly a perfect point just to piggyback what you were about what you were saying. in John Three, which is a great chapter. Great Book. is the premise of that, too. Too One of the major points was that Jesus is trying to explain to Nicodemus so with all well all this knowledge you know his prestige that without the spirit of God. What he would, he could not understand. He would not get this right and another changes you, you begin to have an understanding of the Gospel. I, not intellectual, but you kind of makes sense right just like you talk about the relationship with Sinn. You really understand. Understand what sin is you understand? What the the the sacrifice was at Jesus gay rights intellectual. You know. Hey, that's interested has happened two thousand years ago. So for example, and it's maybe Disney, personally. It's very hard for me to to watch seen even if it's a poor depiction of Jesus walking with that cross like I get emotional, not because it's a it's a movie, and not because it's a fictional character, but I I it. It becomes real to me that this. The son of God died because of the sins that I commit daily yes. Yes, yeah, and and here in John Three when Jesus says. Unless one is born again. He cannot see the Kingdom of Heaven What's interesting. Is that word again here? can either mean again like we understand somebody. Does something again a second time? Can also mean from above and that that really blew my mind because down in verse thirty one Here's what Jesus says concerning that. Says He. Who came from above is above all he who is of Earth, belongs to the earth and speaks in earthly way. He comes from heaven above on, so we know Christ. He came from above. There's a book that's written from Heaven. He came and sought her in other words he left his throne, and came to Earth to die for a bride, and there's no way that that. That bride will ever leave him, and there's no way he's going to lose his bride, and no one's going to snatch his bride away from him. In other words, no one can be lost who he has found now. Are there some verses that you've heard commonly used as to someone alleging that salvation can be lost because I have one but I'll let you go i. I mean I kinda entertain those conversations, but yeah I mean I know. There's nothing specific, but they just kind of a blue like first Corinthians, and you know the term back backsliding, or they'll go to testament verses and talk about how you know the book. A guide is always referencing that the they were backsliding, and they're stepping back revelation where he talks about coming back to your first love and the implication. Is that somehow? There's this precarious balance where they're losing it. In God's warned him to come back I. So those verses loosely used I think okay, I. I'm going to give you a scenario I. Want you to respond to this one a pastor. From a church that went to for many many years, said no one can snatch us from Jesus hand, but like the product of Sun we can run away from home. Okay Glenn, go! What do you think about that? Is it because I'm Jamaican? This is this. Is, this is a running metaphor. What's what's his name? Eugene Bolt. You saying you saying sorry Jamaica. You got. Something a little different in their? You'll work on my putts. WAG got a long way to go. I would disagree with with that assessment in a once again. We just finished a couple podcast on the sovereignty of God right the. King he you know and I in once again it can be synonymous or be mixed up with his up nip attendance. I don't know the near scripture. That says you know. There's no way to run from God like his. Wherever wherever you can think of wherever you can go. He's in the midst of someone thirty nine yeah. David said where. Where can I flee from your spirit? Where can I go on your presence? Even if I make my bed in hell, you wear there, so so I guess I passed. It didn't know that verse. No I think he. Went up because I just preach on this passage, actually preach a sermon called product God great sermon. Hope, so That in most people call it. The Prodigal son in there is a sense in when he's. He's a product, and there is a sense in which God is a prodigal, and you're gonNA. have to listen the sermon to hear why I used the title. The Prodigal God there's a there's a positive and a negative use of that term. Guys switch in there. You go there you go, but this the powerful is really about Choo San's. It's about two sons that were lost and one in one sense, where like a lot of Nicodemus boys the people that constantly received a tongue lashing from. Jesus was which group again, Pharisees Right Pharisees, right Pharisees satisfies and so. Noticed that the older brother he was complaining complaining, he was lost, and the other one was a sinner to he was lost. It wasn't that. We're to interpret that that he was a son that was saved, and then he went losses salvation, and then he came back, and now he got saved again and I was so frustrated Imbaba College. I Remember I asked my theology professor. How is it that someone could be saved? And then lost again and the saved again then loss again. This could happen several times a month or You know a over a year and I called it. Yoyo Christianity because it was so frustrated and I asked. When does it stick like one to someone gets saved and stay save on down. X. You know when they put themselves in a bubble Michael. Jackson did right so they can't interact with the world and actually from Church history. There was this group of people called the pillar saints. Have you ever heard of them? But I'm GONNA find out you're about to find out. BUCKLE UP! The pillar saints were a group of people that did not want to be worldly, and did not want to be influenced by the world, and so they would climb up on a pillar and live there and people throw food up to them and I guess relieve themselves bathroom, wise from the pillar when it was night or whatever, but I mean they were trying to get away from the world and the higher the pillar went the more. More godly the more holy the person assumed to be I don't believe that that's how salvation works that. They've tried to get so far away from the world, so that they would not lose their salvation, so if that was true than Manhattan, skyline would be all saints absolutely, and then you know then. We have to snuggle up next to king. Kong because he was on top of the Empire State building right so that we can. We'll be untouchable by the world. I hear that that's true, but here's what bugs me Glen. Makes God sound so flippant that he cannot hold onto that, which is his God's sovereignty God's omnipotence, so I mean if God save someone in his power. Can't he keep that one in his power? It depends on whether it's lower case, G, God, or or the Real God. I could catch good catch blow. We're focusing on the capital g the scriptural God, not know all these other bootleg gods that are out there well one one lower case, God, that that that I think it's probably on everyone's mind now. Is the God free well? Argument. Okay all right, so let's go. Their free will many people when they used the term free will. There's one major thing that they don't do, and this is back to apologetic. What one they don't define their terms, so if free will is, I can walk into Carville and ever ice cream flavor I want ben men have free will, but if if free will is something that is restrained by our nature Then that's something entirely different. Different, because free will is the ability to make choices without external coercion and so there's the compatible the compatible list view and the Libertarian view, and so the biblical view is that man is constrained by their nature in other words, any man sinner saint can walk in Carville or baskin, Robbins and order whatever flavor ice cream that they want to, but how can man until God gives him a new heart turn to God in repentance. How is that possible? I. Don't think that's possible. That's the answer, right? It's not. It's impossible. Right because I think. It was Peter who asked him the gospels. Then who can be saved and Jesus said what is impossible with man possible with God and I think we talked about as in the previous pop podcast. It's been so many now I can't I can't remember it, but that you know the free est person, the only person who actually has free will themselves because he has nothing that's encumbering him nothing that that he has to answer to. There's nothing that he does. That is like at in response to anyone else. You just does what he pleases. Scripture literally says the Guy. Who Does what He pleases? Yeah, someone, fifteen three. Yeah, he does what he pleases. No I'm sorry to cut you one more time, but just couldn't let this pass in the age of covert I think people need to rethink free will. Yes absolutely, absolutely, it's so funny, because so many people had had the free and they said let's get rid of the plastic straws. Then let's put on plastic gloves. What happened. What happened in that we're GONNA kill the environment. I'm pretty sure they have the plastic mask over their face now, too. That's right. That's right. We call that situational ethics, but see it doesn't work like that in the economy of God. It's not that oh I could decide for salvation, and I could decide to lose it. Y-. You're not the one in control of being justified before God. He's in control of being justified. He's the one that gives you a new heart and again back in John Chapter. Three Jesus said the wind blows where it pleases. I mean you don't decide to to whip the wind up from the East and blow your direction. You don't have the power to do that, nor do you have the power to make the wind of salvation? Blow upon you and you don't have the power to blow it away from when when we were at war with God, when when we were sinners God came came towards us. That scripture literally says that once again. If you're not being biblical, just making up what you feel, how do Do you, argue scripture that says when we were at war when we had enmity with him when we were haters of God, he loved us and drew us here, but once he does that all of a sudden we can you know yeah I like I? Like let me go back to. That doesn't work like that. You know what I mean because we didn't choose him to begin with. We didn't choose them and we can't choose not well. We definitely did not choose absolutely. Absolutely I mean John Six, forty, four to use one of the words that you use the word draw. Jesus said no man could come to me except the father which had sent me draw him and I will raise him up at the last day I mean that seems like an open and shut case. Would just that bursts alone? No one could come to me. There's not a man or woman, the face of the earth that could come to me and that word is key the word except. It's an exclusive word I it's. It puts its put walls up that you can't. You can't jump over that word that word is in your face and there's no way you can just skirt by that and the word draw is the same word that used to draw the fish into the net, so was it. The fishes will swim over there well God. God caused the fish to swim over, but it was the will of Peter and the fishermen to throw the net down, and to pull it up, and they were being drawn against their will because fish as far as I know they like to stay in the water, right? That's right I. Don't think they breathe to well. You know when they're in the boat. A- My extensive knowledge of fishing tells me that's true right and so he drew us right. He changed our will. He drew us against the the old will that we had and give us a new will, and he pulled us in the evangelists Agnete, and then he says I will raise him up on the last day, and it just speaks what's called the perseverance of the saints that if he draws you in, he's going to raise you up on the list the there's no way that you can lose your salvation a well. Here's A. man that people think lost their salvation, one of Jesus own. Disciples did Judas lose his salvation. What do you think Glen was he saved to begin with. I don't think so because at the last supper Jesus, said one of you will betray me and all the disciples one by wants Lord is at I and that's we're curious They submitted to him as their master, but Judas answered differently. He said Rabbi is me. What is Rabbi and again? I believe is a teacher. Yes, and that's exactly what Nicodemus called. Jesus rabbi because he saw him as a teacher come from God again, he didn't. Didn't see him as God come to teach, and so we know that Jesus even spoke about Judas in his high priestly prayer prayer in John Seventeen. He said none of my loss. Not One that you've given me except a senator perdition so that the scriptures might be fulfilled now now I guess the new age interpretation of that. Is that Judas lost himself I I, mean 'cause. That's clear I saw I think without with no jest. Look. There's there's some scriptures that we can kind of maybe means this. You know okay, contextual. These are clear this no doubt what that meant. Did you have to avoid all of these verses? You literally just ignore what she said for you to believe that somehow we have some power or control. And and and and and what was epitaph that he said that that that that it was better that he had not been born, right? It wasn't allowed. He made the wrong choice. I wish he had chosen differently right. This is the perfect example off. Prophecy being fulfilled and it was going to happen. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Because again, what we see is he says I. Kept them in your name. which you have given me, so there was a a remnant of people that the father gave to the sun. He gave a bride to his son, and he said I've guarded them. He guarded his bride. If anybody came to snatch the bride, Jesus steps up in the way. That's exactly what shepherds did when a lion or bear or wolf came to. attack, the sheep they would have to mess with the shepherd, and so he says I've guarded them now Jesus guarding you. How can someone be lost I? Just don't say it. Some someone once said. Glen someone said in order for someone to lose your salvation. The devil would have to run through the blood of Jesus and grab you and somehow take you out of that, and now we have a devil covered with the blood of Jesus. Now. We gotTa Save Devil and now we've got a big problem exactly exact-. It goes back to what you said earlier. It's a it's a very low opinion of God. Low opinion of Jesus and it's like if if your savior, if the God big G.. G. Is not capable of persevering you of holding you of maintaining this, but he didn't have the partisan in the first place. Absolutely Jesus said I've guarded them and none of them has been lost except there's a word except again which we saw John Six forty four. No one could come to me except we have to look at the accepts, and they're very very important. That scripture might be fulfilled, but I want to look at this other passage Romans Chapter Eight Verse Twenty Eight to thirty. Fill that is cheating. Come on, man you. That's one of those powerful sections. Right there I know I know. So. This is called the Golden Chain of redemption especially in verse thirty. He says well. I want to start a verse twenty eight and we know that for those who love God. All things work together for good. Not Something's but I'll think for those who are called according to his purpose. You gotta be called. You can't call yourself see. It's not up to man's decision for those whom he for new. Let me just pause right there. Many people think for no is to look down the corridors. Corridors of time in other words to know ahead of time, but just like it says in Genesis. That Adam knew his wife. Eve and able was born and Cain was born, and it said that Joseph did not know her being Mary until the child had been weaned, so the knowledge was an intimate knowledge so to four. No actually means to four love, so let me read it like that for those whom he four loved, he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his son. Now, when I think of the word, conform I, think of Plato or clay modeling clay, whatever and you're you have a picture, and you try to make the clay and conform it to that, and here he saying all those that he for loved and predestined, he did so to be conformed into the image of son in order that he might be the firstborn among many. Many brothers and here again I born is not Glenn was born I, and then assisted was born second, and so on, and so forth first porn is the one with preeminence, the one who gets everything from the head from the father, and so to be the first born was to have equal power and authority of the father, and where is she succeeded by the way? My mind is escaping me right now. On the right hand of the father right at the scene of power, the position of power, and the position of honor, because that's exactly where Lazarus set in the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, and that's exactly where. At the Last Supper, it says his head was on Jesus Bosom or Jesus breast. He had the seat of honor. And so Jesus has the seat of honor. It just clearly screams of the Deity of Christ and he continues. Here's the golden chain redemption, and those whom he predestined referencing two verses back. He also called there. It is again the calling and those whom he called also justified, and those whom he justified, he also glorified What does it mean to be justified to be made a right to be made right, and this is the verse that unlocked Luther Mind You. Luther hated the righteousness of God. I mean. He despised it because he couldn't measure up to it I mean he was fighting with himself he was he was doing what many other priests. Priests did you know they? They would sleep on on a cold slab of of kind of a a rocky cement type of flooring, whip themselves, and and just you know really a works righteousness and Luther read the just shall live by faith, and his mind was unlocked, but what's interesting is that Luther came to that conclusion by the power of God by the calling of God right two years after he nailed the ninety five theses going against the Roman Catholic establishment at the time I mean. What do you think about that? He wasn't saved at the time that he banged the now in the door. He was called God was working on his heart, and and the process can be longer can be short, but God once again the sovereign power of God. He he will not be deterred from for whatever he wills I think I think it's interesting that what you were talking about the image of his son, the firstborn of among among others is that then we have to think, of Jesus, as our example, the perfect example and to say that we can lose. Salvation would imply that Jesus can somehow fall from grace. He can somehow be put back into the tomb again. No, he was risen. One verse I think about I think to piggyback on this John. Nineteen thirty way says Jesus therefore and received the vinegar. He said it was finished. He bowed his head gave up the ghost. It is done it is finished. There's nothing else to be done. Jesus did everything he did all the work. There's nothing else that we can add to that to make it richer a more glorious more wonderful. Yeah, Yeah I. I love that it is finished because it's the Greek word to tell us die, which means paid in full and it was the term used that. When you had you had to pay your debt, they would stamp on the receipt to tell us die paid in full, so of Christ's paid in full for his bride, and he now now his bride is his. How can that be lost and I? Think that this verse in Romans Eight thirty says that they can't be because look it, says those he called. He justified so then he pronounced them to be legally clean their now they're faultless. Passive at with free will. Oh, you can tell the creator the judge of the universe. You're wrong. No, that doesn't work like that because. I don't feel clean. It's just a feeling. Go Away. You know but it says he justified them. It doesn't say that they justify themselves, and it says those whom he justified them. He also glorified, and so so Bachchan is seen as a past president future justification in the past. Accounting me. As if I have the same exact righteousness as Christ himself, that God looks at me and he sees Christ he judges me just as clean as judges, his own son, which blows my mind away. 'cause I look in the mirror and I go. There's no way I'm as clean as Jesus. There's no way absolutely not. I said this I thought that I did this I forgot to do this. I didn't I didn't feel like doing you know this which I should have done, and all the things I can think of about myself, and about my lack of being Christ like God still looks at me as he looks at his own son. And but let me just mention this one other thing. Notice all those he justifies. He glorifies so in other words. If he's justified, you would know one dropping out. He glorifies you he. He brings you all the way home. How can you be like? Where is the in between lost between justification and glorification and someone might say in sanctum. which is the middle term that's not mentioned there, but it's all throughout the scriptures, and that is just someone becoming more like Christ throughout their life, as they spend more time, and as they grow in grace and Craig's Christ likeness through the power of the Holy Spirit. Yeah, definitely agree, and and as the Smith the Senate is structured in a way that it's not. It's not like a hurdle, and some people fall off at the calling. You know some people fall off. You know at the justification. Some something fall off the glorify. No every single person that God four noon four loved is going to progress in the way that he's prescribed, so we kind of touched on it. A little bit fell. This idea that God perseveres us. You know what is the perseverance of the saints. What does it mean that God is going to you know? Keep us I mean once again. I know I. Know I'm saying it and I'm kind of you know doing the other side, but I've also struggled with this free well it does that mean as a believer that we're just autonomy automatons and we do. We can't think for ourselves. Yeah, yeah, so the perseverance of the saints should perhaps better be, said the perseverance of the spirit in the saints, because he is the one that perseveres you. He is the one that carries you through and carries you want. It's not that you just pick yourself up by your own spiritual bootstraps. Yes is not going to read the Bible for you. he's not GonNa pray in the sense that you need to pray and he's not going to do it for you. We know that Christ praise for us. And we know host pre through US but it hearkens back to what Charles spurgeon, said he 'cause spurgeon hesitated to become a believer, because he was not sure he can remain faithful to the end he saw others proverbially fall away, but here's what he said. He said I longed and prayed to find Christ. Because I knew that. If I found him, he would not give me a temporary. Such some preach, but he would give me turn a life I would never be lost. That was a bait. My soul could not resist and he came to realize he submitted to Christ. He couldn't be lost. And he said he will hold onto me forever, and it wasn't a matter of spurgeon holding onto Jesus. It was a matter of Jesus holding onto spurgeon, and if he's holding onto us glen he's going to. To bring us to the very end, he's going to persevere right all the way to the glorification, although justified, they're all glorified, and so if got his saved you, he's giving you a taste of heaven that one day will be fully realized you're just. You're just getting a taste right now. You just got the Diamond Ring A. You didn't get the wedding been and and the marriage yet. You're just a waiting. For what's coming to you and it's GonNa be more than you could ever imagine i. Mean No, I seen or heard. What things the Lord has in store for those who love him. I mean. Can you imagine as far as what he did? In our own lives now so his preserving grace means you could never be lost again because his grace isn't just sabe US it keeps us save, and just a certain, as it is to spend eternity in heaven this very moment as if we already spent ten thousand years with the rest of the saints. We persevered worshiping together him who is seated at the throne. We have a foretaste of that even right now. But why why do you think many people think that they can just? I lose my salvation. I mean again. It just makes God sounds so fickle almost like the Roman gods, and the Greek gods and the gods. Just makes God not sound like the God of scripture, because I just don't see any verses in scripture that someone could be lost. What what? I have a little bit of a Gal, so you know I. I've always thought obviously. There's some legitimate reasons to question. I've question sure you've question, but there are some cynical reasons to question so one reason that comes to mind my heart is evil and I've thought these things is okay. I don't really think. I don't really think the Kingdom of God. But I see these other guys doing bad things, and they seemed like they took time off, and they came back. So that means it's okay for me to continue doing this, and because hey, it's there's there's backsliding ano- and there's some people who were away for several years, and they came back, and it's a way to kind of justify the continuation of sins that you know you shouldn't be doing, and it's kind of like well. You know there's past you know. First Corinthians. They did a lot of bad things, and they were still believers, and it's kind of a one way of. Of kind of you know excusing the pattern. Not Struggling with like you said one of the things that believe knows, is they? They fully start to understand what sin is, and they it as much as God hates it to some respect, but this this idea that you can lose gain actually benefit you because you can say hey, you know this the fact that I hate sin to the extreme is okay. It's natural. That's that's okay as a Christian and that's not really the truth, it's something we should be struggling against now. You're perfectly not every day. I didn't every everything right, but that's one cynical reason why that is prevalent. Prevalent a second one I would say, is they're? They're truly not saved. You know and I think that goes along with the first, but the idea is. They're not safe. They don't like we said understand. What's allegation means until so salvation is whatever they wanted to be, and so they'll make up all of these things when it's clear what scripture says about it. Yeah, yeah, and so what we have to do is we always have to start with scripture? Not Start with experience so if we start with man's experience, say okay well. This guy looked like he was walking with Jesus. Now. And you know now you know look at. At them over here now he's incarcerated. And you become a Muslim or whatever losses salvation near became a Mormon whatever it is and so if we start with man, we're gonNA. Come up with the wrong answer because we're not necessarily call to interpret. Experiences were called. Interpret scripture, so we always have to start with scripture never would experience, and scripture informs US and so if we're new creatures, I mean if a butterfly was once a caterpillar, and the Caterpillar became a butterfly. Wouldn't it be strange to say? I believe that a butterfly can lose their butterfly. Nisus and become a caterpillar like would that seem a little odd? Amount of scientists, but yeah does seem odd so now. How can we be new creatures new creations in Christ and all of a sudden our identity changes from saint back to one who has lost from found till to lost I mean I think it would be more probable that a butterfly can return to the image of a caterpillar than a Christian can return to being someone who's lost again. And somehow the heart of flesh was replaced again with the heart of stone, and they went back now. That doesn't mean that a Christian can't sin, and that doesn't mean that a Christian has licensed to sin, either because that's the other thing over. You can't lose your salvation, then you. You have a license in no Paul. Smack anybody in the face who says that he said what shall we say, then shall we continuance in that grace may abound by no means. Yeah, yeah, and I think the long short of it is no, you can't lose you salvation. You cannot be saved in the first place and go to church and go to do all the things and put on all the show, and still not truly be saved, and then realize that say then fall back into the world even deeper. Yeah, that's definitely possible, but for someone who's truly. What's what we said John Three born again? You can't what again if you can't birth yourself a second time. You can't put yourself back into the yeah, and I want to touch on something. You mentioned threat for our listeners, and for our listeners who know other professing believers think that people have lost their salvation. Is it possible and I? Think biblically does that. There are many judases around who were false converts, and I think if you read through the entire parable of Mark, Chapter Four, which is the only parable Jesus interprets and verse thirteen. He says if you don't understand this parable, how will you understand all the other parables or all the parables in other words, the parables of this kind sheep goats, good fishing, the bad fish, the wise versions to foolish version of. End What's the other one the waiting tears and so on and so forth. So there. There was only one at a four here in whom the seat fell upon that was saved. It fell on on the path. It was gobbled up. It fell on the rocky soil, which was there was like a veneer of soil right, but right underneath the saw there was a limestone, and so the roots would be you know a an inch deep. Brown so it couldn't go anywhere. And then the roots would grow upward which scorched the plant, and it was done, and then we have the ones that came up among the weeds, and it was choked, but only the one who bore fruit was the one who is saved and I. think that many people are believing that those that fell in the rocky path and And those that fell among the thorns were Christians at Lahser. Salvation Will Jesus would completely disagree with you if you hold that view and this is why because as we look in Matthew Seven, twenty, one twenty three, says not everyone who says to me Lord Lord Willing to the King of Heaven, but only he does it with my father who is in heaven on that? That day many will come to me and say Lord Lord, and by the way that's a term of intimacy day we not prophesy in your name so this attacks, even preachers 'cause who's prophesying people that breach and Kesse demons in your name, perhaps even Judas cast out demons, but that did me Judas was saved because the Lord spoke to a donkey wants to they being. Being the donkey was safe and do many mighty works in your name. Now here's here's like the punchline than I will declare to them so the whole time. The man who was speaking was doing all the talking right Lord Lord. He saying these things now Jesus speaks up then I will declare to them I never knew you notice what it doesn't say, it doesn't say. Say I once knew you when you fell away. We once had a relationship, but no more. I knew you one time, but you ran off You know with someone else you right after other gods, it doesn't say any of that. He says I never knew you depart from me. You workers plural of lawlessness, and so he never knew them and again knowledge is. Is. The intimacy. Like Adam knew his wife. There was no there was never an intimacy because that person was never considered the bride of Christ. Which is why he never knew them. WHO IS CHRIST? Bride is not going to live as a worker of inequality and I think that's pretty clear pretty straightforward, and you know my my son was seven could understand it, I think. Think, it's I. Think got to focus on the the clear obvious scripture, and and use that as our guide rather than coming up with theories, so in looking Christian. Lose their salvation I. Mean What do you think after all the scriptures that you just heard one verse after another after another? Of course, there's many other objections that people may make but I think any objection. Objection that people may make they will either make based on experience or through twisting scripture now all make it to a scripture even ourselves but I don't believe that there was any scripture twisting going on here and if you believe that there was then please contact us and bring any correction that you truly believe is scriptural and bring us the correct scriptural predation. Far On that one, as we've studied these things, and we've looked him up, and we've done our due diligence and our homework on these things and again I believe. If you do that, you'll only find yourself fighting against God himself. Because this is God's word and we believe God's Word is room rightly divided? Perhaps you're not born again and you think you've been saved and lost and saving laws. Perhaps you've never. Never been saved in the first place. You've never backslid because you've never slid forward intrusive ovation, if that you then today repent of your sin, and put full trust in Christ alone for salvation, because there's no other way to be saved, and if you're someone, you know, you've seen the wax and wane you Senate. Times you think man you know if I send this one time I'm going to lose their salvation. You're not serving fickle. God allegis serve the wrong God. The God of scripture. None better given him will lose not one and then finally. If you know someone perhaps who thinks that they're saved, but they're acting like they're not saved their whole life. chances are. They to their lost, and if you go through the parable of the four soils, I think you'll see that persons name there. Thank you for taking this time to stop and think about. If, you would like to contact us. Please email us at stop and think clue at G MAIL DOT COM. You can also visit our website at www dot, stopping, think podcasts dot com this. 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Episode 282  Interview with Doug Landrum

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Episode 282 Interview with Doug Landrum

"You're tuned in to live song radio a weekly podcast dedicated to accurately studying the word of God in a comprehensive and biblical manner listen in as host Jimmy. Hicks Phil Ramsey and Blake Shaneco dig into the word line by line verse by verse leaving no stone unturned. Grab your. Bible and your notebook and get prepared to study the living breathing active word of God now. Host of life Song Radio. Hello and welcome to episode two eighty two of life Song Radio Jimmy Hicks and I'm Blake Shankill and welcome in. It's just us to tonight Blake Yeah Kinda quiet in here without the other two. Mulas out Jason. The the Manna and the man he's out chasing money is what he's doing. He's not here with US and Oh, Tom Hammonds not with us this week. He's home being Paul. So It's just us to hear but W- well, it's not just us to. We do special guest in the studio this evening, and it's Doug Landreau on the executive director from catalysts, Missions Doug thanks for joining us man Oh. It's a pleasure to be here. I appreciate you coming in and taking the time to talk to us. I've kind of known each other for a while. We've been in the jungle together In in in Nicaragua, but and we're GONNA. Talk a bit about that tonight. In in what catalyst does, but first before we start, let's let's talk about you. you are the executive director of catalysts missions? You're also a pastor. You pastor a church I don't know if you're still teaching. You were a professor Yeah, you still are shaking your head so Dillard's who you are. Yemen so. I'm originally from Martin Tennessee northwest corner of Tennessee grew up there. When wins a college there? Give you for that. Thank you, man, thank you, and of course we could have seen each other on the field. I think you're probably. Yeah so we played COVINGTON. We played Brighton and battle the chargers. And it was a battle of the chargers so. We lost actually. Heartbreaking, but now moving beyond that. I, grew up man in. In a great church and Martin I just under a really great pastor but I did not come to know the Lord into my twenties, and I truly converted to Christ until my twenties didn't truly repent my sins, and wasn't really born again until then. And it was at that point that the Lord seriously seriously took control of my life. And I was on the path to study physical therapy. And actually came down here to Memphis to the UT. Health Science Center I went through a semester knew that that's not what I wanted to do with. My life had a really kind of tough wilderness journey. Felt like a failure went back to Martin from. MEMPHIS. Didn't know what in the world I was GONNA do ended up back down here at the University of Memphis in Grad program, and subsequent to that just listening to good solid preaching and teaching, particularly with regard to missions, felt the Lord calling me into Vocational Ministry and I I. Even remember sort of what it was like the day that I've the Lord confirmed that with me I was on the of Memphis campus and just thinking about the broad law snus, the vast loss -ness of the world and That the Lord had placed a call in my life and so. I immediately stopped going to University of Memphis. And I enrolled in seminary I went to seminary for six straight years full-time. And vowed that I would never go back to school and I have kept that vow and. So before I well, actually a semester in the seminary I got married. My wife's name is Ashley and we've been. Married. For eleven years we have four boys seven and under so you can pray for me. You want to boys. Yak, imagine yeah, I've got three, but for is. Acquitted three on purpose. Actually unwitted to the Lord of the thing, yeah, exactly yeah, so we're really busy with four boys at the House as you can imagine, and my youngest is one, so we're loving on them trying to lead them. to be disciples of the Lord and. Seeing that as my first ministry, so yeah, that's I. Mean that's in a nutshell and then I've I've I think I've been in Memphis long enough to be a memphis in. It sounds like it you you say you to. You went to seminary for six straight years. You got a PhD I did. So I'd like to say that. You need to get out more. And that means absolutely nothing so yeah. I did man I went through it I, went ahead and got I was telling somebody to story the other day. I was four chapters into my dissertation on Jonathan. Edwards Herman of Genesis, which nobody should ever read because I don't even WanNa read that. You didn't make it into I did it did make it into a book, but I wouldn't recommend it. And and I was four chapters in wind, told my adviser that I was quitting I said I don't need this I'm. I'm done. And and he talked me out of it, and so did my wife so I did finish I think it's been really helpful. With regard to how to research and study and ride, and really just how to be motivated how to be disciplined. I mean getting getting a terminal degree like that is not about intelligence. It's about two nasty I. think that that's that's been very helpful in ministry riding on Jonathan. Edwards I'm not sure it's been super helpful to what I do now, but but I did learn a lot about his. I was helpful. But I guess, but yeah, you're pastor, ut, teach your professor and you're the executive director of catalysts mission, so let's talk about that. That's the main reason that you're here to talk about the ministry and Catalyst Missions. What exactly is catalyst missions? Yeah? The organization was founded in two thousand seven. It was founded by a mentor of mine. originally set the organization up to you. Engage smaller local churches with international context. Who would have otherwise not been able to? Engage in those context or participate, and they did a lot of stuff They did orphanage ministry. DIFFERENT SORTS A- headed towards the type of training do now. But it wasn't quite the same, and they called me in two thousand. Thirteen in the story is good enough to tell so they they called me and we were in the midst of I was finishing was sort of in the beginning stages of writing a dissertation finishing seminars. We just had our first kid, and we were planting a church and I told them when they called. It was a lady who's known me my whole life and she said she's on the board. She g willing to take over the the ministry. I said absolutely not. and. She said well. Direct quote you can, you can bring any missions passion. You want to this and I said Holy Moley. So I gave her like the Christian. Ease response, which is a way to say, no, but you're not saying no. Exactly exactly I said. I'm going to pray about it, but we actually did commit to praying about it. My wife and I and then in the spring of two thousand, fourteen, met with the board and said look. If you want to take this over. We're going to focus on one main thing and that's training. Indigenous leaders in the Global South I didn't say the Global South at the time, but in training indigenous leaders who don't have to training because we believe the greatest missionary force at the world knows at this moment is in the global south, and it's lying dormant because the Gospel, although the Gospel is there, it's a superficial Gospel. This never penetrated deep into the worldview and many many places in thus what's been propagated is not the Gospel and so. Yeah so it's it's reached quote. Unquote discipleship has never gone deep in so many places, and so, what's multiply does not the Gospel a lot of word of faith, fair, and Oh, my goodness. Yeah, absolutely saintly. Global South. America South America. Yeah, global sound, so it would be basically central South America Africa and South and Southeast Asia. So, it's you know there are some countries you wouldn't expect to be considered global south or majority. World is another way they referred to China is in the global south, but but yeah so. I'm probably preempting you, but the the Gospel coalition international each says that there's seventy five percents of Christians live in the global south, but of the two point, two million evangelical churches eighty to eighty five percent of them have pastors, little or no training. That was my next question that. Read that I read that statistic today that eighty percent of pastors around the world have no formal training and I was GONNA. Ask You. Is that a legitimate statistic? It is a legitimate statistic now. Some say well I would say little insufficient. Maybe is the best way to refer to it, and that's all the Gospel coalition words it. They little insufficient. Here's what I found. Even in places where there is access to quote unquote training often, times it is so far from what you would consider to be sound doctrine that it's not even worth calling it training, and so it's not just people that don't have access where because of financial reasons distance. And you know they wouldn't. Even they don't even look for that. It's people that do have access, but they're access is poor and what they're having access to is not worth is not worth being trained in so when we say formal training. What do you mean by that? Like? What are they not trained in? These passers are coming in and they're. They're t I guess they have a congregation, but as far as training. What does that look like what it would is a formal training you know for these pastors media and I would even take the word formal out of it I would just say there's not much training at all and and so. One of the biggest one of the. Let me let me back up a little bit. One of the biggest reasons for the on the condition that you find in the global south where you think you know see, there's not a lot of deep deep discipleship is after nineteen, seventy four in laws and won the conference for World Evangelization. There was this there was a movement toward unreached peoples which was a great thing. Part of that came about because there. There was sort of the idea that the great commission had in some way been accomplished because we had reached all of the. Geopolitical nations on Earth and the Gospel was there and I got him Ralph. Winter stood up and really a seminal moment and he you may have heard of what Ralph Winter, but he said the phrase Ponta Anthony in Matthew Twenty, eight, eighteen to twenty, all nations track from Abraham. Coming in on that does not refer to geopolitical nations, but ethno-linguistic groups and by. By his count there was about twenty thousand on the Joshua Project I think has like seventeen thousand that they identified just depends on your metric, but nonetheless he said we're not even close right close to reaching all of the ethno-linguistic groups Ponta ethnic in the world, and so after that there was this push towards the unreached peoples, which was a great thing. But when your primary methodology is speed. and. You're trying to get there and you know sort of. Expand US quickly as possible because you see the urgency of the mission, what you inevitably do is you leave a superficial gospel that oftentimes never penetrates deep into the Worldview so the Gospel is there, but it's never gone deep, and so whatever gets multiplied generation after generation after generation. Has this diminishing effect where in ultimately you get to the point where it's not even the Gospel that's being multiplied. Multiplied, so when I say they don't have training often, you have passers that that do not even understand the gospel at all I mean no understanding of the True Biblical Gospel because what they received has just been passed down to them, and it's usually moralistic, or it's extremely charismatic, so they don't even understand their own gospel came. We even say they're saved. Can we say they're a pastor? I was I mean sure outside say there's a lot of pastors or lost. I'd say that here. But but I. Know What you're saying that the yes, the. I think in many cases that it's not just a need for these guys need to be trained. It's have the ever understood the Gospel first place. And I and I can speak from experience being with you. One of the one of the trips we were on Nicaragua I distinctly remember I guess you could say eavesdropping on a conversation that that that one of the pastors walked up to you and I remember this I'll never forget this. And? He said he said directly to you may remember it to. He said I've been robbing my people a main. He'd the stuff that was thrown owning that week. He had absolutely no idea and that you know you multiply that across this whole entire world and there's an issue. There's a problem. Yeah, so so that brings it into the next question here. Because you said something about speed, and you know just hurry I'm trying to do that, but it seems like that's not the right methodology for which we need to train pastors and get the word out, but why? Why is there a theological famine in our land today in the world? Why why Visit Exist? Yeah I mean I. think that to some well I think maybe there's two different ways to to see that one is. Here I. think that you know if you look at a passage like psalm sixty seven I think that we have missed the purpose for which God has made us as people. I mean the Psalmist is pleading for the blessing of God and it's clear. In verses six and seven of Psalm Sixty seven that God is blessing his people, and yet he says God bless us. May God bless us that your name may be known in all the earth. Let the nation's be glad and sing for joy, for you will judge the People's and uprightness the the most important word. I mean we're preaching this Jimmy Revival that you and I were at and Blake to the most important word in that whole psalm. Is that if you missed? The purpose calls for which God blesses his people. Then you'll miss the reason for which he's calling you to live for the sake of the joy of the nations in God. And so I think for one thing it's that the people of God have missed the call of God, for which he blesses them with the blessing of God and so there's a there's a purpose there. That's been missed into I. Just think that. I don't WanNa be to unwanted harsher at all. Because I've got you know, go ahead. That's what this shows about what? I want to be as charitable as I can, but I do think that the need for speed methodology that sounds really good leaves in its wake. People who are woefully unprepared, and will end up not producing the Gospel, so if I've heard the most outlandish numbers about churches that are going to be planted in a year in a particular context and. That presupposes that you can train somebody to be faithful leader in a very short amount of time, and I think that I am a thirty five twenty two Timothy Paul Tells Timothy said be careful about who you lay your hands on, because otherwise you participate in their sin and. He's talking particularly with reference to elders there. I just think. If we don't take time the way that we see for the Lord Jesus doing if we don't take the time necessary to create healthy faithful leaders, who will produce healthy faithful churches who will produce a healthy faithful gospel. If you take your time in the beginning, which reproduce will be real, but that's two different ways of looking at the world, so let me ask you this and before. Before I get to the next question, something you just just I guess before we ask you about your methodology and in how you guys go about training pastors in what you do. Emissions I want to speak specifically because this echoes in my ear, a sermon that I heard from Paul Washer while back, it was it was emissions, conference and He was telling people. He said look. Look if if your intention is to do a lot of what you're talking about is to go overseas and that's how you view missions. Please don't go. Please don't in, so. Let's talk about that because I want you to to really explain to our listeners. What missions is I mean? There's mercy work. There's mission work, but but what we're talking about here in the importance of what what? What you guys do. You're not going and building chicken coops. You're not going to Aaron up. Bicycle tires enlisted building clinics, and in doing dental work in medical work. That's important, though that's how you can reach people in help people, but when you're going, and that's all you're doing is digging whales. You can be digging wells for Satan Yeah and you can also be stealing their jobs. Too, so you know there's something or something to be said for that. I'm a great intentions. Don't make great missions and so. When we talk about mission work, we're talking about Gospel. Work and I'm asking the question what what is the most effective way or the most profitable thing that we can do for people on the field and I? Think it's putting the resources in their hands to have faithful theology and faithful methodology knowing that they are the cultural experts. Look I. Speak Spanish okay. I pastor a bilingual church here in Memphis I understand Latino culture I am not Latino, and I know that a believe in can reach oblivion better than I can. So I think that when we talk about mission work, often people with good intentions will go down and do things. Again with the greatest heart, a wanting to you know, build something for them, but oftentimes it's not even sustainable by the people in their own context until the missionary comes back, does it again and so it's not indigenous in that way, and then also it might be taking a job from somebody there that could have been doing that and be paid for it and third. It's not leaving in their hands. The most important thing which is how are they going to? To multiply the Gospel among their people, because as bad as life could be here on earth, an eternity under God's wrath is infinitely worse, and so I think we just have to to realize what missions really is, and of course we can do some of those humanitarian types of things in the service of the Gospel, but we just have to make sure that that's always can be reproduced indigenously, and if it's not then, we really shouldn't do it when you speaking dangerously. Dangerously. We're talking about those that are local to the land, those that are in that context that community that have grown grown up there, basically speak the language, our of that ethnic cold agriculture. Yeah, absolutely so that's that goes with our next question. Here is very important is catalyst ministry works with these indigenous pastors one on more and I'm assuming or or just in groups, but a smaller groups nonetheless, but but you don't go to the public as a public. Public Teaching Ri-. You mainly focus on indigenous pastors and is so why is that? Why do you mainly focus on those pastors? I think there's a maybe a practical reason in the underlying philosophy, so we've had big groups. We've had big groups, and it's more in in that context more like a lecture than it is discipleship, and so we have over the years. We have really come to prefer a smaller more intimate group will walk with for multiple years. And and the reason for that is just what I just said it had. It needs to be intimate discipleship as opposed to a lecture when we're doing training, okay. so that's that's one reason. The second reason is okay. Somebody who's already serving as a pastor or somebody who's going to or somebody that feels called the church planting be a missionary whatever. If you can affect the leadership than you can affect the direction of the church or the direction of the Church that will be planted and I think that this needs to be said. Catalyst missions is not God's plan. Okay. The church is God's plan. Has got plane cows and not the plan. We exist to help mobilize leaders and. And faithful healthy churches so. I think that if you if that's your ecclesial Aji. If you believe that the mission runs through the church, then what you're going to want to do is affect the leadership of the church in the most healthy way possible because healthy leaders. Birth and establish healthy churches, and that's where it has to start. So can y'all do that here in America. That was that was a question I wanted to ask. I feel like we have a famine here. yeah, with healthy charges leaders I think. This is just were out. We were sick in America. Our churches are sick God's will, and they're not only sick. They're not only sick. Because there's a there's a lack of theology proper, which would be just their view of God? They're sick because of a lack of proper ecclesial Aji. Look man doing. Doing Proper Ecclesiastical Church Membership Church discipline is not popular, and you ain't winning any friends doing that here. You will be alone and listen the thing we. Were in a conversation today. with a couple of the guys, but the the fact of the matter is in to make it a little more I guess real time with Corona virus, and all that going on right now. You've seen a lot of online worshiping in Elino streaming of of services and all and there's not a whole lot of explanation from the churches to their people who are watching online saying hey, this is not church. This is this is something we're doing temporarily, but this isn't charging. When I think, we're going to be left with him. What I'm afraid we're going to be left with a lot of people who say well I can just stay home when things get back to normal. There's no doubt there's absolutely no doubt. I'm fearful that every day you know just knee, jerk, reaction, the other way I. don't even want to do this online stuff. Because of that because I can see, you can just sense it right. You can sense the momentum saying well because of our passions. Don't teach correctly that this isn't shirt. This is a means by which we're just trying to get to through this season of life. We don't teach that in. People are GonNa, see that as an I love this church man. This is great I can sit here and eat bacon and eggs in my accountability. No discipline. No, I don't! How can we take the Lord's supper? How can we take of you? Know have a fellowship with one another. Yeah, nothing man, just oh, man, we could. We could go off on this for a while, but. Yeah but I just think Hebrews ten, twenty, four and twenty five requires presence. You cannot have the gathered assembly online. You can't do it and I think that there's again this is this is part and parcel of what we're trying to teach. People on the field about what real church membership church life looks like. And it requires a I mean it requires life, and it requires accountability and I think that that's often times. What people do not want? He absolutely I Don. I would say hundred percent if we if we did. If we did church polity correctly. If we had you know we just did. We had good pastors who lead good churches. Charges would probably be smaller than they really are, but we would have a pure bride for. For Christ in the world and It's just really just makes you sick to see what churches are doing. Just done pureness, I mean. Paul talks about Washer talks about is. We just dressed the bride up to look like the day ride in the king is common. He's GonNa want his bride bag and he's GonNa. WanNa know what you did with the Brian, and it's GonNa lay upon the pastors of the Church and. They're going be called into account for that, and that's that's heavy. That's Wadian Man I'm just excited the which our do, and because that is, that is key. You're going, and you're a healthy churches, eleven churches, going and planting good healthy churches elsewhere in helping train these pastors, and I think that is. That is a great model, too, because it can be replicated now these pastors they can, they can take what you taught. And what y'all have broad, and then they can create a healthy church around that top down in there, they they're the ones that have to shepherd their folks, and and that's just wonderful. Yeah, and just quickly I think that that's part of the reason that I took the word formal off of it. Because what we would like to see, is we? This is going to limit into method which I know, we'll talk about, but we have a central training site in each country and what we want to see what we call coordinators, who will be raised up out of that cohort group and we'll go start training elsewhere. Elsewhere and so for instance, let's say for instance you have a pastor of a church who leads his church to start planning the Gospel in an unreached area. can give a good example of this where we're in Bolivia northern Bolivia. It's called the puck them into the Bondo. It's in the very northern part of Bolivia. There's a people group. They're called Kevin annuals and a large majority of them. Thirty different communities, many of them are unreached, totally unreached. So what's going to happen? When. Somebody takes the Gospel their plants. The Gospel UC Christians raised up and there's a church planted. I, want I want these guys that were training to be so equipped. They could go out there and train a man to be faithful with the right character and integrity, and the right tools to be the pastor of that of that new congregation without needing to ship somebody in from the outside, and not needing to take that guy out, so I'd take formal off because I want this. We're wanting this training that we're doing in sort of a formal setting to be. Be Multiple I'd like that in the harvest. You mentioned Bolivia and you mentioned the Global South and You can go into detail I want you to go into detail about specific areas. That catalyst is working in, but to come off of what you're saying. talk about first of all the success that you've seen in Bolivia because I know you've had some pretty big success there. Yeah, while Bolivia win win kind of deepen wide, really quick, maybe two quick, but so yeah it. It We started in Bolivia back in two thousand fifteen and The Lord through a national missionary introduced another national. That became our regional coordinator. We call regional coordinators are on field workers. You can call missionaries or whatever, but there are on field workers, and they have a great responsibility. So his name is Nielsen. And as we begin to work together, we started off with one cohort group out in this place called the Beni Department, and now there's eight different training sites all over Bolivia. And the Lord has been raising up a faithful leaders, and I'll tell you where the one of the most successful training sites is. It's in the jail of. Lapaz the city of two million people. It's thirteen thousand feet above sea level. Sorry twelve thousand feet above sea level. You Land Thirteen thousand feet above sea level, so you go, and it's like you can't breathe but. This our regional coordinator there Nielsen. He was unjustly thrown in prison for about three years, and was later exonerated, but while he was in there, he went in, and there was a church. It was called apples into out which is called the upper room. It's what that means. And he walked in, and they knew this guy has been trained He is a pastor, so they said you're gonNA. Pass this church near. And he took it as God. Put Me in here for reason, so he's turns pastoring the church later. He gets out starts working with us. We go back into the jail into this place called. Appleton to Alto. This is San Pedro jail has five thousand inmates, so this is. You go into a place and you know the room we're sitting in right now. Is We do this show? This is about. About as big as the space where we do the training and they're just cramming guys in there to do this well, these are guys from all over Bolivia. Who are being saved are being called out to ministry and so. What what's happened because of that has been tremendous. They not only planted a church inside the jail. Then these people get trained. They plant the same the church under the same name outside the jail with the convicts that have been released. So, they planned outside the jail. We see there's a guy that goes to another part of Bolivia implants. We see pastors who are being called up in Ordain right there inside the jail. One of them was the former vice president of Bolivia. While saddest got saved trained called Ministries pastoring today I talked to him yesterday. That's. So Bolivia went wild man and there's there's eight different training sites Laura's just doing man crazy work there and. So it's it's putting. Good Training Good, theological methodological training in the hands of people who are GONNA multiply. So Bolivia. You're in Sudan not Sudan. South Sudan. We were in south Sudan. Yeah, we don't work there currently, but we were in south. Sudan yeah Nicaragua. Africa yes, so we're in so I'll go South America up, so it's Bolivia Colombia south. America Central America Nicaragua West, Africa, single, ivory, coast Nigeria Southeast Asia, south, and Southeast Asia in Nepal. And Indonesia and the Lord is opening doors in. India, we may or may not do that just depends on. What the Lord says about Corona Virus. That's where we're working right now. Well, let me ask you a question. real quick, you guys. We've talked a lot about you. Training Pastors in leaders indigenous pastors in other male leaders and a lot of these countries, but you also something that your organization as the catalyst does that I don't see other organizations who trained indigenous pastors and I'm not. You know it's not a negative towards those but you. You guys also go a step farther and train. Women as well in these areas, so talk a little bit about Janey porter in the worksheet with catalysts. Yeah, so I've known ginny longtime. used to serve at Lucy Baptist in in Lucy close to Millington so I, met her there, and she has obviously a tremendous heart for women's discipleship has has called the vision. And is is was just multiplying already. So, you know we met up. Probably about four years ago and begin to talk about what would it look like to have her? Come on board and do women's discipleship for catalyst and so. Since, then she has, she's done that and the Lord has opened up doors. I mean literally all over the world and all the context that I just mentioned And so. It's. Here's the thing. When you when you look at the stat. Were you have two point. Two Million Evangelical Churches Eighty to eighty five percent of them have passers, little or no, no training. What do you think happens to the Church members? These pastors if they don't know the Gospel was having to the Church members, and these women oftentimes who want to multiply among women want to lead their children want to do gospel work are just being kind of left out in the cold, because they don't have men who will definitely don't have meant who will lead the church, and then you know the it's just there's nothing for them, and so what we're finding is. They are just starving for this and so ginny. Has a great material that she's using, there's other ladies that have come alongside to help and different context around the world, and it's been tremendously tremendously impactful moult It's multiplied, and so we we love the fact that we can offer in every location pastor training for for the men women's discipleship training for for the women. Because obviously we have the we have the conviction that pastor should be men. And we have that conviction, but we also have the conviction that women should be trained with good discipleship resources that they can multiply in their church in their families. Were there when you have conviction? That pastor should be man because that's what the Bible sense indeed. There's no question there right right, but also these women doesn't say that they can't t g there in fact they're to. They're supposed to other women, and so I think that's amazing that you get these gene. The likes are able to teach these women, and then they're able to. The is not going to step up. They can come in and teach these other women. You know just and should be able to do that anyways, but and that's a that's amazing. One thing that was interesting. To me was was. What kind of material teaching the pastor and even the women? Your methodology is it is a good harmony. Is it would. You would see a normal seminary setting, and we get back that formal training. But what does it look like? Yes, so? I'll I'll speak first about what we trained passers and speak to our women's discipleship, so in the pasture training we want to engage academic discipline practical ministry in spiritual formation in every module. There's eight modules. Okay. Each of them takes about thirty hours to train. Okay, so if you're GONNA walk through all the material about thirty hours a module so. If you're spacing those out. Two to three real intensive trainings per year cohort group for two to three years just depends on how many you can get in real. Quick before you move on, that's that's real important that I don't think we said earlier. You said I missed it, but you did talk about. It's not a quick training equipped. Let's go over there and and do something in a short term mission trip. You commit to these areas for multiple year. Absolutely absolutely and I think so needed. How be beyond the residential training or the? You know the intensive training. We want our regional coordinators also to be providing mentor ship in between the trainings to the students. That's family life. That's pastoral life. That's how you doing either. Have you fallen off the wagon? Are you walking and intimacy with Jesus. How are you applying the training? The regional coordinators. Okay, so you have to have good people, but. So modules that that we do we want engage academic discipline, spiritual formation, practical ministry in every module, so we start off talking about discipleship and church planting. And we get into core theology. And we and we hit the Gospel hard in module one because just understanding the basics of the Gospel. Come on, you know just substitute panels. Getting into sacrifices, absolutely I got you and just seeing and. Almost a systematic theology. You're working through the normally. Even use the Greg Gilbert's way of dealing with it. What is the Gospel God crite, God man Sin Respond or God God. Response I can get this right now. but but. But really hitting on it hard man, and then, and then helping give them a vision for what we're actually asking them to do with Multiplying Faithful Gospel okay. And then beyond that we're trying to give them the tools that are necessary to raise up other faithful leaders without a need to bring them back to some particular place, so we wanNA give so old New Testament Survey Biblical Theology Church history. Spiritual Formation Homily Deke's. And then tons of practical issues like church discipline family life. How do you pastor yourself? So. Emotional formation every in every module. So that's that's the basic stuff for the pastors. Women's discipleship is off. I mean in a lot of ways. It's much the same with. Heavy on what is the Gospel? Heavy on what the call of Christ is with regard to making disciples, genie's even finishing up a a through Asians that's part of it. just diving deep into doctrine so doctrine and practice doctrine and practice. Are you disciple other women and I think something. That's really important that I that I noticed on the trips. That I've gone with with you on. is a lot of these. These pastors who come in they're coming from a long way away. in devoting a week to this training, which is is provided to them at no charge. The thing that I thought was just so great about it was These these guys don't know each other beforehand. And when you're in those areas I mean it's bad here I mean for pastors all over the world, even in America to work as a pastor you don't. Have somebody to lean on and have that fellowship with each other, and that's something that they gain there as well is. is these relationships that they build in this fellowship that they build amongst each other. It's What's the right word shaming? The right word or not, but to hear some of their stories. And to think about the type of commitment they have in the midst of. Some of the worst socio economic situation you can imagine and support, and they're just faithful and man. Breaks your heart on the one hand but it. Reminds you that Jesus said. To his disciples. You're not losing anything. There's eternal reward here, and that's where there is are so man. It's Yeah, I can tell you story after Story Greg Gospel so greg. You mentioned Doug this this corona virus. You know we don't we have to. We can't go with one radio program without mentioning it right now. That's just Kinda the situation. We're in, but. Regardless of how we see it and what our personal opinions are. How's IT affected y'All's ministry. Yeah, well, we can't travel well. That's a big one yeah. That's a big one and the regional coordinators can't travel either so seventy five percent of the trainings that that we do are really done by on field personnel so a regional coordinators. and. They can't travel either so you. Can you know we? We think that the the quote. Unquote Quarantine has been bad here. It's been really bad down in. South America Central America West Africa all that so. When they shut it down, they shut it down. You know if you leave your getting fined. And potentially arrested so. Yeah, it's been. It's been closed down. We have It's opened up some in particular context, and we're hopeful that a reach corners can start traveling again to start doing the trainings again. But Man. We've been making the best use of the Internet as possible. I think all of us are zoom fatigue. Seen by anybody, can I get a witness? Yeah, yeah, so we're all zoom fatigue, but but honestly man so I preached yesterday. Just case in point preached yesterday. To One church is the church that was planted out of the jail. Appreciate them yesterday via zoom, and they were pastors logging in from all over. Bolivia and these are these are central pastors who were helped working with a regional coordinator to coordinate training in their context, so we get done with preaching pepperidge on Colossians Three I. Get done and our coordinator Nielsen Start. Saying okay well. We've got pastor Adem as we got past her in well, we've got pastor all Scott, and and they're all from different parts of Bolivia and they're logging in, and they're hearing the word and they're being showered with it, so I'm just grateful for that, yeah! It's it's almost extended our reach to some degree, even though man that personal presence is a big deal, but. So yeah, that's how it's affected us right now. And so I guess in some ways. It's extended the reach, but we're hopeful to be able to. Travel again either a regional coordinators or US as US staff. So. How let's let's flip gears and talk about your needs I know we've got a ton of listeners all over the country that that would definitely a desire to get involved a desire to help what What is it you guys are doing so before we get into the financial thing which we know. Obviously, that's a big need Let's talk about how some of our listeners who would have a desire to to maybe go with you guys in train with you guys. How can they get involved in that aspect? Yeah, some probably a couple of different ways to go about answering that one would be if there's an individual. WHO desires to get involved by going and being a part of the training, they can obviously just reach out to us the the website. Catalyst Missions Dot Org. Reach Out Info at catalyst missions, Dot Org and say I'm interested in training I want to go. I want to be a part of this and we would take the time to vet. That person see you know what their interest level is what their background is. How much training they would need to be able to provide healthy training on the field because we're just not going to take somebody that doesn't agree with us. On our declaration of faith, you took me. We agreement you were desperate. Absolutely nobody else. nope. We WanNA. Make sure that we're on the same page. Doctrine Lee in that they're willing to teach. What what we put emphasis on. But. an individual can go with us. You know and we would say here. The project dates. Here's here's where we're going here the modules. What would you? What would you like to be involved in and take them through that process? But I tell you the the real thing man that that stirs my heart is when a church says. We do, not have any international missions vision. And that's. One hundred churches. We don't have any international missions vision. Can you help us connect with the training on the field? Such that our people are not just helping support missions, but they know exactly who to pray for, and we've got people that were sending down there so the Church that is essentially adopting a project and. Man That's what really we look for. We don't I mean we like having individuals to just go with us, but we really want churches to adopt projects, because we believe that the church is God's instrument, it's not catalyst, and so we want to help mobilize a church to be doing that and project. Adoption looks like. Committing Dupree specifically for the training group that you're a part of. Most churches they're not going to get involved with a whole country like Bolivia for instance. They're going to take a few training groups here maybe in this department. No those people pray for those people lead your people to pray for those people know who they are. Know how multiplying and we help facilitate that. are going. You know. Would it be that pastor? Or maybe some leaders want to go help train. Passers or women want to help train women's disciples, and then also just helped fund the training so that they can receive it for free, so we will. WE WON'T CHURCHES TO ADOPT PROJECTS and I think that would. Is Really helpful because on the back end of this, there's a logical development that happens with a church that really didn't have any international missions vision, and that's what we really like to see as well. That's what we see a lot. I mean that's what we see in acts, ripe trajectory or chargebacks, not but the Church of Ephesus sending out Paul's in and out going planning other churches and leading these other guys, these pastors into to leading their their churches and. And then come back, and giving an account you know, and so I think I could see that as yet partner with these international ministries, and then maybe hopefully hopefully sending out faithful men faithful women from your church to go help with those that would be wonderful. So what a great man! What a great minister! You don't you, don't he? There are those out there. There's a lot of great ministries out there that do the same thing, but just one so close to. Home such as which are doing and. I can see it in. You can just hear it in Doug's voice. You can just see his face just just how dedicated he is to this ministry, I mean I I can't even I can't even imagine you know, but you can just see the love. He has for just God's people. Just these pastors and I'm so humbled by that and I'm so disgraceful for you. Grateful for Cadillac Ministries Help us to the listeners. You know. There's a lot of people like Jimmy. Say there's a lot of people who may want to get involved. But how can they get financially involved? There's a lot of people who can't go on these mission trips and stuff, and and help with that, but there's a lot of people who would like to give their phones and I'm sure phones would be welcomed at times, right? It'd be welcomed at a time. Yeah all the time. Yeah, that's what I mean. Yeah, and you know I mean, I'd say there's a couple of there's a couple of different ways that I would just mention one. You can go to catalyst. Missions Dot Org. Go to the donate page. It's all right there, so you could get involved by just giving monthly or giving a one time gift that both would be tremendously helpful. Obviously having people who are giving monthly helps us plan so. If somebody's regular giver, we know what to expect the other way that people don't normally think about giving is is non-cash gifts which we have a platform that can accept that, so you have. A beat up car that you're not gonNA. Use Anymore and you're like what I do at this. The organization that we work with does our platform can sell it for you and give the cash catalyst, so and that goes for about anything, and it's kind of I. Mean Yeah like you've got cattle or you've got whatever gift cards tons of stuff like that so non-cash gifts. That, you might, it's GonNa really cost you anything, but you just want to get rid of it, you know. And there's you know obviously legacy gifts and stuff like that. That we have, we have the capacity to receive. You know people that want to give out of their will or whatever, but those cash gifts and non-cash gifts are the two main ways, so just go the donate page, and you can see see both options on the giving platform by doing that Sergey M, but by doing that you are actively being involved with helping the Gospel spread to nations all over the world, but also you're actively participating in. Helping these pastor God's church. You're you're you're helping to grow? God's people into teach God's people back. Because you're saying this is what I heard earlier was. It's free for these indigenous pastors to come and get this training this this this mashed at the seminary training and I'm like I need to go to Bolivia News. Talk Right. Let me explain what that means is not just the training that's free, but these these guys are brought in sometimes they're. They're helped with transportation sometimes. They're helped with well the whole time they're. They're put up. Their housing is taking care of their food for the week is taken care of so there's really no excuse with some of these guys for them to to say. I, I can't be there. You taking all of the handicaps away from them. And normally they they come. They get there and and they can cover that we have helped. You know occasionally most of the time. They cover that to get there and but they're when they're staying there. It's either. You know like in Nicaragua. There's a hotel we gather at, and they just come and receive the training, and they eat all week and stay there in the same place we pour into their lives, and then they go home, and it's It's a beautiful setup and it's it's possible because of churches and individuals who give yeah so I would say I would say to like. When you when you talk about like donors and all the rest of. I think that it's important to see it as as being a partner to the organization, because you really are like you really are partnering for the sake of the expansion of the Kingdom through faithful, Gospel, probably propagation and training, and so you're not, it's not just like. You're not just sort of a nameless faceless person with regard to the organization. You are a strategic partner in the Gospel. So how much of the procedure defines that you get go to? Actual emissions the percentage of your money that you see it. Go to the mission field. Yeah, I think we did this up one time with regard to like our time plus funds ago like project funds, and it was something like around ninety percent of the funds go directly towards the work whether that's like our the percentage of our work that's being done for the projects or particular project funds. That's amazing. That's great and we don't have an office. We talked about this earlier. We don't have an office. The administration is like zero oil, not zero, but not a lot growing up in a bike I must say. Okay so. He left Memphis at one o'clock. Sweating and okay do. The now I just you know it. It's important to be able to point that out is faithful with the funds that you get I want. To be able to see that that money goes a long ways it does in, and it takes a lot to be able to do that a lot and so man I I. Would Uh ask our people to give to this ministry if you can't be a part of it in a way that that actively going on these trips, but it's super important to be able to give our phones as well catalyst or catalyst Michele's dot org catalysts missions dot. Dot Org and you know I'll just echo what Blake said. you know it, it is mm-hmm. Buydell that organizations like catalysts exist because we've talked about it, and you mentioned it earlier, but with so many unreached people groups out there and I've told people this before, and he said well. When is Jesus coming back well, the scriptures pretty clear when every time traveling nation has been reached, and so if you WANNA, Hurry that up. Then go and rates the world. And that's exactly what you guys are doing. Yeah, man! It's a it's A. It's a privilege and I feel very unworthy for the opportunity that the Lord has given us and so and we're very small. We're trying to just do our little small part in the Kingdom of God and just grateful for the opportunities given us. Yeah, but you're faithful small faithful, and that's that's. That's amazing, so you pray for Cadillac. Probably the phones you know workers, but also prayers. Guide continues to work through the prayers of the Saints Lutely and we want people to see people save, but we also WANNA. See Pastors trained WANNA. See The Gospel spread all over the world and just just God's Church to be pure. His bride be pure interest to grow and mayonnaise. Such a great mission so doug thank you. Thank you appreciate the time. Being here, folks That's going to do it for us again. Catalysts Missions Dot Org, Doug Land Room and in catalysts, mission's reaching and impacting the Global South with with the Gospel and by training, indigenous pastors in leaders, so get involved in the Gospel work. That's where God wants. Your money is in Gospel work in so get involved in that today, and there's no better way than supporting catalyst missions and what they're doing to spread the Gospel. Blake, thank you Buddy Doug thank you and we'll see you back here next week at life Song Radio. You've been listening to live. Song Radio. You can follow us on facebook and Youtube and if you want to continue to study throughout the week, check out the resources available on our website at live Song Radio Dot. com see you next week for another episode of Life Song Radio.

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"So welcome everyone. This is the defied clinical edition. And where this is where. We critically examined essential nonessential issues the Christian faith. Today we're going examine Zama the witness error but first limiting myself in case. You don't know my name's are true. And I I attend Providence Reform Church and bigger so California I also hosting certified podcast and I run the online minister on facebook and the website. WWW dot state dot com Today I have a brother Demain he's a I'd WanNa for only a few months but man this guy I've I keep up with his podcast and his ministry. He's a blessing so such a Mafia. Don't mind man can go ahead and So thank you once again. Throw it for having me on the show man Gr decrease Sorry Jamal Bandy host of Truth podcast also mentioned on I'll get his ministry retry truth. START OUT ON. 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Welcome onto I came across him through another mutual friend WHO's a oneness Pentecostal apostolic and And and this guy actually lives in my city and in a couple of times we went back and forth enda and I saw Camonte on there and my reform senses were tingling kind of sponsors. We're kind of like the calvinistic and I am so I hit them up and then he told me about Jamaa and I told me about his prescribed described Truth Youtube Channel are listening and and then I came across the video where he's discussing or he's actually debating in a sense it's with When it's been a costal another guy from the book of dialogue that I saw and And I was encouraged encouraged by how patients he was Jamal. Jamal was and but also how clear he wasn't able to let them know the truth and mm so and he hits on his youtube. Check it out so before we get into it. I think it's important that we kind of explain what we're dealing with because I'm I'm assuming that many are coming process video because they're friends of Jamaa. There might friends family members and I have plenty of oneness pentecostal friends. But then I I know I know a lot of people who probably don't know the difference between a Christian or Baptist in the costal so I think that's probably a good idea that we I discuss discuss what it is very quickly what they want to spend a costal and it will hurt a little bit background on. How can across them? So Zack were awesome. And so this really quick when it's GonNa Costal. They like to call themselves episode Ix. So if you ever ask someone if they're Christian for Baptist whatever and they say their apostolic there WanNA spend a costal and they liked the name because it sounds biblical you know. Yeah yeah exactly so but really what it is. It's two doctrines really One it's been a costume. It's MOHTASEM and Baptismal regeneration and we're GONNA explain. Explain that for you in case even if you never come across that. We'll explain to you in this video. backstory generation simply means that one does not become born again until until he or she is physically water so you cannot be saved and baptized in water. Wants your baptism water. Then you're born again regenerated regenerated so that's that is regeneration and Emma de mind explaining what Mode Elizabeth's here's a motive. Is the idea in open on. There are a lot of appreciate who believe in the nature of Guy who make these mistakes as well when you're trying to describe the trade is a definitely a different. I'm trying to break down in his conflicts but mobilised is basically believing that we have one guy who is one person and it's one one person takes on different modes is the name Modem list or function with. You may hear people will play a key way. You'll know somebody's emotionless. It used terms like God takes on different manifestations or take on different forms on my pastor Bayden laws though how no he's not stay Jesus in the Old Testament was the father the New Testament as the sign and then now in dwells believers. I asked the Holy Spirit so Jesus would take on different forms on. Th- routes arc and so that's that's basically went. It was exemplary when a Mola's would say it also would it is yes yes at and really. It's it's just a clear denial of the biblical Unorthodox Teaching of the tragedy. The day deny the tragedy and deny salvation by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone so th the central doctrines of the Christian faith. And this is why we're doing this. This is why we're we're taking the time to To let our brothers no to watch out for these guys but also to be equipped and how to respond to them as well you know so One good website I think two is the OPD DOT COM It's you know. So if we say things in here and we don't define it or if you're talking to a bunch of theologians and the same too much stuff and you're frustrated this go to theo. PEDIA DOT COM think of wikipedia before theology. It's it's a great resource and here's what they say. Modem also called civilians is the Unorthodox believed that God is one person who has revealed himself and three forms or modes in contrast to Tyrian. Doctor the doctor of the trade says that there's only one being three persons. Hey so they say that he is one person and has merely manifested manifested himself and these three modes at various times and the root of it. All is is denial who Jesus released innovate they they were they will say Jesus like you say Jesus try you. Nature of God is just that when you really go down into what they actually believe about Jesus. UCS totally different. Now that you have some motives who would go into splitting the personal Jesus whereas he's Har- flesh part human McCain part flesh and par spirits and so therefore the the DNC side of him leave him at the cross he does there's divorcing of the from the flesh and the spirit at the cross because of the out of Jesus saying my father my father my God forsaken so when he does they say will this at this point he had to be that the flesh and the spirit party from Jesus and the spirit diversity of whip back into heaven in the flesh was now praying just like in the garden it gives seventy when Jesus prays as father be the way. This capacitor me. Nevertheless not the world with your will be done. That was a flesh speaking to the Karen. Boise's a cotton himself and that's you know that's no that's good good. I'm glad you're bringing up because I really want them to want the listeners and and the viewers understand what we're dealing with you you know and and again Those examples are helpful I've one more quote from the UPC DOT ORG website. This is their remained denominators. Well it's one of the biggest nations out there right for one. It's been a costal so they say on there and I and I had the link ugly description where I got this from So this is what they say. Some people maintain that only one of the three divine persons a second person who has called God. The son came in flesh but the Bible does not make such a claim simply says that God was manifest in the flesh. Jesus knock the incarnation of one person of a trinity. But the incarnation of all all the identity character and personality of the one God so So th straight from there the from their mouth and this is what they believe. So it's just a teaches that the one guy in the scripture is one person who simply changed throughout the time I the father and the son and and then the Holy Spirit And they believe that salvation happens only when someone is present water in the name of Jesus so So hopefully that gives you understanding of of what they believe At least I'm there's there's plenty of other things that they believe that we disagree with like you know. Women have wear skirts all the time and make up or stuff like that but that's secondary issues if we're going to talk to a one it's been a costal the always your time on that stuff. Talk to them about the Gospel and who Christ is because that's what that's what really matters so go ahead what's your background with. What guys okay? So I grope nope just give me a short end of it. I grew up Baptist with my mother on. I was younger but I I wasn't legal. I was more agnostic But when are against I want to go to the church. I ended up going to church now. This Apostolic Church Different Down. which would you describe as far as not wear makeup and everything thing else is down was really laid back he just apostolic five name And just ask some of the teachings that came from where he was taught not the Off Restricts Mbeki church will end up being a cold and so it was a lot of any place and everything else does not not. Everybody who's apostolic does with what I went through. But the main thing is like tool who got is kiss what he would teach He would teach of Jesus like I've mentioned earlier. Jesus Jesus father. And then he's all the spirit and that Jesus would basically the flesh of these was speak to decide on the cross and the garden. so-forth is also for its own when it when it came to trinity. He would deny that by saying that. You Know God is the monster three heads you know. We don't service three months. Anything more than one year is a monster you know. So that's that's how he was. Propped trade take it. Only you know suspect they but back. Then we didn't get into a lot of discussions at all it just from where he would teach about. Jesus Leach mock doc scar. How engage where we stood in but when it came down to re company to understand what attributes authorizations the more stations still thinks it to me he was like just a twisting of words? You gotTA trading the trading leaves a father son all his spirit. The one that said I believe in a father son. Spirit it just it just a play on the worst people confused over words you know and not really understanding what the issue really was was underneath But so throughout my atomic cold I don't really worry about the needs in Jesus about Dr in that kind of stuff it is. It was just Jesus us but we always separated. Jesus from for some reason those like you know we got died and we thank God for Jesus no Messy Miss Anything wrong with that. But why the behind saying words right and that's who deal with and that's what we'll do when we always prayed to. The father rarely early played. Pray to Jesus Lewis Eight into Jesus name Redid. Jesus you know we price and doctors. We decided Lord Jesus and one is the cost of who praise and go some. Do it just well. When was number we did not even pray to the Holy Spirit? The Holy Spirit was with the power. Ah You know best what is always. Fear was besides the lowest saving two thousand thirteen of warrants scriptures. And I got crazy. He just revealed to me. After watt watch chains whites video of the forgotten trinity and I have watched video on Youtube of urban breaking down trade. And and I'll we'll just follow on wait a minute. This time I was again I was opposed to you know. Follow along with them. Due to strong with to my strong's concordance at the time does not follow along with him with with the words forgot and Lord Examples Durbin gave the Scriptures and James White data out realized. There was no other argument late. Everything against what I believe was throw out. You know you just looked at scripts and with a this was a set in context like if you if you just let the scripture slow it makes sense it's Word is God and the war becomes fetched but also this word is there was something else is is there with two whose dads and we don't believe in multiple gods so you know and these things are high question about as I was coming to understanding can I could never answer you know. And that's one reason why. Start the strap through in in the first place because out under these false teachings and as Lord brought me out of them and being detox and they're having to let go everything that I was taught before and just get into pitches against the Lord under sound. Teaching was like man I want to share this with others. Who are in the same position? People are still yet in these false teaching charges arches man and would I realize role in this is the sad thing there are pastors who are not like my ex New of new. You know not wasn't during the right charge which are passers who actually ever since they really do believe this about that you know and I try to have compassion on that. I am not trying to be manipulative. They're not trying to be deceitful to their ages reading reading the scriptures in wrong light L. of truth in all noman. Yeah they're sincere sincere about it and and and unfortunately there's sincerely wrong you know and that's why you know that's that's why we're you're trying to reach out to them. You know just kind of going to happen to me Gossiping when I was fifteen years old and also I was. It was a summer before sophomore. Sophomore Year in high school is when he saved me and And Bro and I can't forget this because I'm someone who did not grow up in church or anything but I I I was saved and I was like cloud nine man. I I just cannot stop talking about Jesus. I was just so excited and happy. That well like you know. And and so it's funny I I had low self-esteem in high school and I told my mom was like you know what I'm ugly. But Gosh the lows me. Oh I was so happy the House so happy that I don't care if they were married. I don't care how I WANNA go to heaven. One day I'll be with Jesus and a so exciting on and then up so suppose suppose so suppose GonNa start non like Can't wait to tell my friends about this and I can't wait to the Christians. You WanNa Christie's I knew were we're apostolic. I didn't know they were you know came across them as K. We started Baba Club in now we started vandalizing and one of them. He was like hey have you. Have you been baptized. And I'm like not yet going to church. Harvey will baptized applies. And I told him while. I don't really know I I think Think what Jesus said it is. It takes me to acts two thirty eight. And he says if you're no better than this way you're not saved and it's to me off of my no like I m saying I know what I'm saying and And that's a year-long debate between me and these guys and And at one point John was joined. The church I visited. Church is so confused and and thankfully you know God just It is providence. Give me eight Macarthur Study Bible no and at some the books that I chose to read from our role and found Karm dot org you you know yeah I come across us come across these these resources and and you know I just I look back at him in and I really wish there was someone there. Lacquer disabled the enemy I wish someone was there to disciple me and to And these things is there wasn't there The church I was going to you WANNA cost simply got church like you know like. Obviously they're not reformed or calvinistic but the Gospel was preached and And it was until until later on where I I kinda got a hold of someone that was able to help me out. And he introduced me to Paul Washer. You know I mean so. I shout out to brother Dan and he's going washes and be like don't see. My name is funny man because You know at one point I thought all bleed the same thing Now it's funny because one of the guys that came across that talked about one of the guys that that were Christian that I knew high school because I used to be the first one I told is amber we have lunch together. And he's to pray gray before eating and made me feel bad swap To on what I was doing but I told him all the candy man. I'm excited for me. He was kind of a little bit. It probably would have been considered liberal but with other apostolic six years about ten years later his dad branches out from their main main dominate decided to go solo and he actually believes in limited. Tillman old I mean it's weird. You know like he and he's okay with women wearing pants and you know so yeah th th there are different brands out there and and I hope that I hope that The people into this can know how much we're emphasizing discipleship discipleship. Because if you know what you believe if you know we believe in the Trinity by Grace Faith in Christ if these things you won't be do you know what I mean like it'd be prepared you know and someone could sound biblical and talk about sovereignty like my friend. Does his dad talks. About God's sovereignty talks about limited atonement. He's no calvinism you they're still oneness pentecostals and and saw the double works in a never works that way so he gets You know or some truth that makes me would lie the people leaving the church and I mean so. What's interesting about that and we won't get into the future not find interesting about that is but someone does that? I father away from where it was at. They recognize something is wrong. They know something something of that. They're reading reading into the six they realize and something that's different than what I'm hearing here. But they but they still hold onto Arcata resumes have over here. Did he still believed that. Abe is right here is wrong to me. If I think that's wrong it. What been it should make you push everything else? You have been taught from his position and it will end up hearing the Gospel while I was was it started in here in a gospel in a bias Brennan Vitamin Su. Who introduced me to Paul Washer? And as I heard the Gospel for the first time and excuse me for months and support I ended up leaving the church I was at in according to another chart. That wasn't as bad as death one. But it's still not solid church you know but until I and there's even that search and go now of been there for years and so is his life just as the journey of coming it's understanding is like you know something is wrong with the teaching is by making push and everything else from the And I'm hoping this resonates with some of the people that are listening who are in this transition period period. You know who are still confused and not sure what to believe in or maybe they want they want better answers. But I'm a one one time when I was almost convinced of joining joining the church I'm ver- I remember praying to God on my Lord. You know I know they died for me. You know that I'm saved but this is where you want me to go. Then just show me. They want me to go here. You know and number going to this church and again this time about. I'm about about sixteen years old. You know not properly disciple D- Not Within the China trade eighty nine or science fiction by grace you know the whole centers per thing was stolen. The back reminding minding. Oh and not knowing if it's wrong right and I'm going to that church and all all that I saw there was -tarian bashing preaching and people going crazy jumping around. You know hyped up and number stink myself. I'm like is this. There is just bashing other people what they believe you know just what the survey was about and so I remember. I laughed and I'm just thinking to myself I was like well. I pray you know as a God you know let me know and I think you let me know. That's not the right church but then you know as a as I go on. I'm trying to think I'm like these people are so it. Seems like they're still on fire for God right. It's hard to look at them and be like no. It's fake you know it's it's it's hard to look at someone especially loved ones and let and let them know that where you experiencing his all emotion. It's all it's all just a false fire you know and We have to doing an eleven kind of way. And I'm sure you know that's got to be sensitive to the fact that you know kind of like how we were you know Were saved were thinking to ourselves. What I believe is is true and being that state of confusion you consider that you might bring someone to that point and you WanNa turn to you for more answers later on and hopefully really you know show them Washer gateway okay. I think we can go on and on and on about Our experiences chances in in this topic alone so people can know that. We're not just your laptop just you know Cost Jerks or bad. They'll go in like we're actually here. Say now we in some conversations with these guys we love them and want them to know the truth. We want to see what we see and And and this is. This isn't just the tracy wasn't invented in the fourth century. You know Look back at history and see it taught in the third century August injury you know and it's one of these things that the church has held for a long time. This is what it means to be Orthodox right now this old belief and if you see I don't think see my hat man and the merchandise said I'm still trying to work out so yeah I'm so China work it out man I am. I'm I'm gonna go after your Bro. I mean I do it to you know. My doesn't look look at school yet but one day hopefully so creative things But that's part of the bill of rights is is to let people know that. This is the historical. Oh faith in ancient truth on. This isn't new and with with our with our apostolic friends. Western coastal friends. We're not saying that. What that they're going after a creed or council? We know that they're taking the Bible F.A.S.T. Value and that's the issue is that they're dismissing context when they do that. So you have to say before we go over the scriptures the word yeah awesome man so one other most popular versus that they love to use his acts two thirty eight and If you go to any You know traditional absolute church and you go you go into the church. You'll see accident. Asked thirty eight on their walls. Everyone I I've gone to the always somewhere acts two thirty eight because to them. That's the Gospel Message. That's that's how s someone say so acts. Two thirty eight says this and Peter said to them repent and be baptized. Everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ I for the forgiveness of your sins and you were received the gift of the Holy Spirit the first one I wanNA make an after. I'm done making his point breath for your jump in and whatever we WANNA say is that there's a difference between Descriptive and prescriptive genre and when it comes to literature There's descriptive literature. which is more like what we see in the book of acts like a historical account? Prescriptive like book of the Vegas Right. That's giving you rules to obey. They do this do that. Do this do that right so so does the difference out we we never we never WANNA make Something that's that's descriptive. Turn into prescriptive when we look at acce- thirty eight and we see that Peterson repent and be baptized. Every one of you in the name Amo Jesus we don't WanNa take this is how it ought to be done. This is a command Because it's not what it is is Luke. He's he's a he's writing. What happened what he I saw? You know keep reading you see that the church also sold onto possessions. So if you're GONNA say that's how we do things then you also do what happens next and so all your possessions and live together you know but but they know that that's not the case right So another thing to Peter doesn't mention Repent and believe he says repent. So are we going to say okay. Well we're not going to believe in you know and I and clearly clearly. What the point? I'm making assist descriptive. It's a summary of what happened. This is not a how to book you know so I I think I think that's probably the first mistakes people make when when when they want to read the Bible liable. They don't know anything about her knicks on how to study the Bible how to study the scriptures there's different genres in scriptures. You're not going to take something and Psalms or psalms is a proverbs or or one of the The folks that are more poetic and take it literally right. You're going to go to revelation and think that they're actually is going to be a dragon. The lady on it so I saw you know so you have to consider what symbolic was descriptive with prescriptive deposit pistols. Were more how due to you know what I mean. They're they're more. They're more prescriptive. So since the first point I wanna make Bro. You want anything. Yeah so just like saying like look at it as ex- The one thing I like about com dot. Org is a mess league. They I love how he says it some concept for him a little bit the same essentially the same thing he saying. This is not a formula in all this is not in the form of because like you said it doesn't mention believe it doesn't mean some faith and you know violence others with apart from faith. Can't please golf. So there's a as a country with fifty say all yet is repent and be baptized in the Holy Spirit. Words the face with who are you trusting it. What are you trusting in? And so you know I'll be obviously is also missing here and it has come from. Having read the Bible. I read the Scriptures you know Read the Gospels Astles in leading up to three the letters from Paul afterwards. He goes loop followed. Paul as like you have asked to thirty seven says now when they heard this hardy MRIs that was preached heard something. Would they hear docile. He preached the dots was says now when they heard this they were cut through the heart and Saints Peter and the wrestling possibles brothers. What shall we do the winter we do? And then we have this description of what what he told them. But look at the point where I cut to the heart now pointing to the Bible I will tell us I enrollment. He tells us also in in the songs that we do not seek dot. If you don't want the rebellious towards piano is so. So why would they be cut to the heart. If they don't want with the change in their emotion inner tailing oil and what they believed will happen. Don't they supernatural. took place by with southern L. does not allow appointed. The crowd was on those disagree with unfortunate but the Bible is clear that far from guys work in our hearts wanted to come with. That's why I'm going to bring the Gospels Important Jesus said in John He says let's father draws Noel comes to me it must draw a network me dry full you tool less. That happens. Noble come to Jesus is a wealthy will say of nowhere who don't want which shall we do. You know something happened as in Peter Out Charts up you WanNa talk to them is that they're assuming that Peter can see the Holy Spirit movement it just seemed no movement the movement of the spirit and when Jesus tells us John is is the hope the moving spirit is like the win. You don't see where it comes. What's wrong for where it goes but you but you know US affect that's how to win win you can't Steve Away but you know if blow by because something not moves position something changes you know? That's the movement of Holy Spirit work. That's how he worked. You know it's the guy. Talk Channel came across extra the. Da knows estimates will. Are we assuming that. Pierre can see spirit. Because Peter says we're paying to be baptized sized and then you were in like an. You received the gift things that happened after you do these days. How does Peter not know? Maybe Peter don't know bit that they may be peaking were asked push may have already been fielded spirit may have been saying. The Peter doesn't know that but it just questions ashes are asked to try to get the things you know. What trump has gone is logical data slash it also at least be faith whereas faith is not mentioned and if the Bible is true starting how we don't come God? Let's eat brought this forest. Why are they saying? What shall we do if they if the Holy Spirit is not get it working in the first week says right repent and be baptized? It's overlooked usually by one. It's been a cost Because repentance is actually granted by God that it does not it does not come from yourself. It's not self generated within Some scripture that that I think about about is like eleven eighteen when they heard these things fell silent and the glorified God saying then to the gentiles. Also got has granted repentance that leads to life and another one is Second Timothy Chapter Two verse Twenty Four Twenty Six says the Lord Servant and the Lord Servant must not be pro some uh of everyone it will teach patiently enduring evil his opponents with gentleness God may perhaps may perhaps rant than repentance leading to knowledge edge of true so scripturally repentants granted by God right and I wish I did a more often when I was younger I really wish I would have focused on that repentance or visit. Normally you kind of just let that slide and we'd go right to the baptism part but faith is also granted you know and and you really touched on this to write on features seasons chapter two verse eight Thirty Nine also Second Peter One One Simon Peter a Servant to an apostle Jesus Christ to those who love talk to those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by our righteousness of our of our God and Savior so faith isn't generated within its obtained right because it's given when Corinthians talk about how the natural man does not receive the spirit of God right This one more is Philippians. One twenty nine for it has been granted to you that for the sake of Christ you should not only believe in him but also suffer for his sake at least go to one question. There's a couple of questions but but one question to ask Is Ken someone who does not have faith. Please God no right and Romans Eight and I think you recording this earlier Those who are in the flesh cannot please God eleven and six and without faith it is impossible to please him. You know what I mean so so so. The answer is no Now I found a video or James White hair and he actually went. I never want I want to upload this on on on the page because he actually goes down this route when when asked this question he goes on this route. Romans eight six to eight says this for to set the mind on the flesh is death but you set the mind. The spirit is life in peace with the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God or freight is not submit to God's law that last part for it is not submit it to God's law indeed cannot those who are in the flesh cannot please God so someone who is in the flesh cannot submit to God's cannot semester got yet. We have what it's been costal saying that someone can repent czar baptism before being saved so will will people do with their taste. Is it they. They will say that it just says they set their mind on flesh by the scripture does say necessarily who set a month where or how it was set there. It just says their mind is set to the flesh and therefore this would be subject list subject But they also say well as humans. We set our minds to the flesh as we do. We can choose the ceremony flesh and it's a strict within the question. I asked him in that way. I have one person making. It was argument on Melissa and I asked them I say well. If the scriptures truce we set up to monitor the flesh Dan awfully died. You'll go me hostile to God. Obey then why would they decide to set their mind to the spirits like you say like what can't do the other if your mind sensitive pleasure automatically never going to meet spirit spirit and the spirit and you're never gonNA want to go back to the flash rock says like if they if they have the power sets a monster. There's still stuck you serve an issue. Yeah no yeah I mean there's no way around it when it comes to our total depravity Before coming to Christ before being saved just around it man Future says repent so. Let's talk about that now unless let's let's let's see what the Bible say by repentance and is even possible for someone who is not saved to repent to want to be baptized. These things Clearly we just read that no no. It's not possible so Next point I want to cover in that verse. Is the name log right. But before I get to that again I want to pose those questions. all of questions that we we asked and in the last five or ten minutes or so so The one that I really want answered is can someone who does not have faith. Please god Romans eight a Romans. Chapter Eight six to eight. Those who are in the flesh cannot be guided Hebrews eleven six and without faith is impossible to please. God The question is is it pleasing to God ought to want to be baptized. So that's that's that's my question for they wanNA spend a Costlo's that hopefully they can answer so in the name of right So this is called an idiom so when we think about in the name of the book the Authority and and we see that in and So for example let's go to Matthew Twenty eight eighteen and Jesus came and said to them all authority in Heaven and on Earth has been given to me all authority in Heaven and earth has been given to me go therefore so again you. Therefore though therefore because away just said Ed and make disciples of all nations causing them in the name of the father and the son into the Holy Spirit teaching them to observe all commanded you and behold I am with you always to the end of the age so in the name so Jesus he explains what it means by in the name. He started off by saying that authority has been given to them so in the name of Jesus is the same thing as the name of the Father Son. Holy Spirit the trinity share that is no different authorities within the trinity. The they they have that one authority that one divine authority and we sit in Christ So so in. It's been a cost of you. What you have is is somewhat of a contradiction right? You see Jesus Teaching One thing and Peter Teaching another But then in acts chapter after four chapters over we see again Authority or name being used in the same way by what power white or are by. What name did you do do this right so so If if we consider those things there's no interdiction in the Bible there's no contradiction. It all flows consistently right right. And that's the beautiful thing about about about understanding these words and idioms and expressions In the name of does not mean something you call something by right like when someone says ah stopping the name of law you know thinking that the law has a name like Bill Gates or trump. Think over thirty now stopping the name of the law. So so this song stuff in the So okay so that's all for that because I think that alone answers that question about about in the name of because they really focused bro. That you know you can't can't be back rising titles you know can't use title titles and but But but but I think that alone ask is the question as far as what in the name means. Just because Peter says in the name of Jesus does not mean that he's the Father Son Holy Spirit just means that he asserted that same divine authority already just piggyback on. I think it's I think it's important to really deal with. The fact of Jesus himself is saying go therefore and make disciples baptizing in the name of the father. Son These Jesus words and it was saying to me it was always meant to be in the little name of Jesus he could have easily said therefore going disciples housing them in my day. Exactly which Danny Castillo Authority right. Because he authorized gives me still commute authority. If you'd literally admit his name. These things have been awarded different passing the Peter being a listener to Jesus at the time that he gave the Great Commission. It was seen as one of the one one essay. Peter Completely Line Bob Spirit. I'm not going to do what you say I'm GonNa say you. That's all I know. And we'll do my own thing or that when Peter her Jesus Jesus Saito's words he understood that Jesus father and the Holy Spirit while one unity you know just like Peter was reprieve read it. Peter was present at the transfiguration. He was there when he heard the father speak. This is my son hear him he was there. You gotta remember. Remember that this is not that you're not GonNa Forget. You know say so. Peter understands that there is a father and he's there for eating assign a welcome with the son and the Holy Spirit was told that the host fear will come after Jesus goes back with the say so each. Here's there's all these all of this so people understood that. Hey say the name of Jesus. It's the same you know I'm not I'm not disobeying Christ. I'm not doing it. I'm not doing on one row. Understand this is this word is is mouthy thorny and they have the same authority the operating off sodomy and so they'll ask beauty of trying nature of our so unified. teasers could not do anything. How sound wheel? That's what you said himself. I can't do nothing. Vote the father told me to do like each coming obedience to the father will so mission to the farm you know and so yeah this some points. This recommendation is like a contradiction as they have to deal with a contradiction as they want to say well cutest thing when Jesus clearly exactly man you know and again in that passage earlier how name is used typically in the viable right when when when in the name is used or name when it comes to Christ and I hate to bring up this example because it sounds kind of childish but I know many Seuss's and many you know like when the Bible says that no name has been given under heaven. It doesn't make sense to believe that song about an actually cost them You know it means authority you know what comes behind that name behind. Christ it makes. It makes no sense to think that we're talking about an actual name like bill will Jamal or you know it. It makes more sense consistently with the rest of the Bible. especially how how it's used even by those who are questioning the the apostles by what power. What name do you do you do this? It makes should click right away. That name does not mean an in-between. Yeah literally later on as names is brought that up because see this time. At the time of Jesus water there were other people named Jesus as other people named your show backed Indoneisan so it could be easily be any of those people you know. It is something different about this. Jesus versus everyone else in the authority that he had he has had had this. Oh yes that's a good. That's a good point. I mean it would actually be blasphemous. Aspen call anybody as Zeus or issue is out anyway W. backs of it because they can't have that name that's very you know. I mean export twelve. It makes it very clear for there is no other name under heaven while there is other uses that I know you know and as I went on true but but the best thing that simple reading on an understanding of what a what that word means would avoid all that you know. Boys that confusion Name and they. They rely that they rely so much on in the name of they rely so much on it. And I I was watching the debate between a James White. And what's his name again He's a one this when sky handle the government's name either. Yeah he's very hyped. Up All hyped up the and and he he actually When he quoted Isaiah nine six he said the act of the name right? He didn't want to say the name along because he understands understands that if he says that he falls into that trap you know and so so yeah I mean I think I I think understanding of what what in the name means Really disables them for making that argument. You know that Peter was interpreting Christ therefore you know crisis the fossil Holy Spirit. Just it's a stretch from what's what's being taught in scripture again. We could have focused a little bit more on regionalisation which we are you know. This more are more passages that we could actually tackle Michael this you have anything else to say about actually thirty eight and other comments not even if we discuss escalating that covers the argument is it makes So John Three five says Jesus answered very rarely a sanity except a man be born of water and other spirit you cannot the Kingdom of thought so spirit means you know that spiritual birth water means baptism. That's what they're saying. It means at least as so I find it interesting or commit context with John's three. The only time wars mentioned his I. I saw a lot of emphasis on the spirit. And so the argument is that when Jesus says that you must be more. Let's one is born of water. And the Spirit Unites Chemo. Guy Therefore water there has to be deficit. We think about this. We're talking about convene born again and it is an internal effect so there's is going on within us. Being born again. Came back tires is an external issue is going to happen is outside of an aw referred to with this I believe Jesus actually refer just dealing with Ezekiel thirty six as Goto subject the thirty. Six his paraphrasing. God says the I will wash you. You will be clean. It was a prophecy Israel Leno. Hey you're gonNA you'RE GONNA if you're making my name value famous name nations but Hey I'm GonNa do this working like you can't do it. I'm going to. I'm GonNa Wash you and you will be cleaning. I'm GonNa get me and he goes on how to wash the I'm going to give you a new heart and I'll give you my spirit. And so he says all these things and Jesus elucidates please as we get into dangerous because he say an argument your content. He tells you. Are you a teacher of Israel yet. Do not know these things. Well while for. Why wouldn't inconvenience no idiot that? Where would we get things I've ever heard about the concept of being born again well Q.? Is a good place. Because of the promise of God art this will happen or Israel is having his people. He's going to wash them and they will be clean. We'll give them a new spirit and give them a new heart and given history and then they say that at six says after he does all those things a you will low yourselves for the sense you committed against you you know. So there's a heart change over where you enjoy a saying. Now you're going to hate your say something different happened to individual. It's all this water here here. I tend to believe from scripture that this is the washing that Jesus who of on his Oakland about in Ezekiel Gil. You'll be watched. But his happiest with being born again of the spirit is what spirit does but people LACO here without go dizzy with that. They tend not one even deal with it is just John Refile John Three five in wanting nor any other context with like. Why would you academia? Just you should know this. You should know what I'm talking about it and don't know anyone and even a new testament reference right in titus three five again talking about being born again regeneration He saved US again. Titus three five he saved us. Not because the work's works done by us in righteousness but according to his own mercy by the Washington regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit. It it is very clear. And what would you talking about. You know what I mean and So yeah you're right it's It's not talking about no talking about spiritual things somebody heavily things if if you WANNA go to heaven yet to be born again what does that mean okay. We'll be getting to be one of the spirit and of the water and the whole context is talking about spiritual matters. He's not he's not he's not going going back to earthly things. I'm unfortunately the was A few people that are heard in an I used actually back when I first got saved I thought that water meant like natural birth. You know what I mean and I read it somewhere and I ran with it you know and shortly after I'm retiring with soft. No he's talking about sauce burchell matter here no physical. I thought I heard that before in the way I don't know this away. You had believed that before was because knows what he says. Born of water and spirit basically is he saying you got the point both ways. So hey but it is like you know about it was my word is like a no-brainer. Your heart won't ways if I were here okay. So how can we even get to the part of having a beaver generated by the spirit. If we'd never was born in the first exactly exactly on so when when Jesus Jesus talks about when Jesus says that you know. Aren't you a teacher. You know you don't know these things This whole idea about being born again earlier you talked about how they were cutting the cartwright when Peter was reaching the masses there were cutting the heart or cut to the heart depending on what version read. But the whole idea was that something happened in where right. And it's really it's really clear that the Holy Spirit in the author the Bible Right Through these writers wrote down cut to to the heart because in the testament there was there was such thing as circumcision in the flesh and circumcision of the heart. So so The army thirty the Lord. God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your offspring so that you will love the Lord Food Guy with all your heart with all your soul that you may live so the circuit circuses. The heart that's exactly the same as being born again. It causes you to love God ceramic. Thirty six yeah. Okay so so. Yeah the Lord God the Lord. Your God will circumcise heart and the heart of your offspring so that you will love the Lord God with all your heart so if you notice the causing effect here is that after the after this happens in their heart noone. A love God Deuteronomy Chapter Ten verse Twelve All the way to sixteen and now Israel what does the Lord your God require of you but you fear the Lord your God to walk in all his ways to love him to serve the Lord your God with all your heart with all your soul and to keep the commandments and statutes of the Lord which I am commanding you today for your good behold the Lord your God to the Lord your God belong Heaven and and in the Heavens Heavens. They're earth with all of that is in it yet. The Lord set his heart in love on your father's to and chose their offspring after them Yuba people's as you are the state circumcised therefore therefore the forcing of your heart and be no longer stubborn. So this idea of being born again. And how in acts after two when Peter her. I'm sorry when Luke wrote that there were cut to the heart. I mean it is an old testament reference. It's not it's not just a new testament thing. The the regeneration of the Holy Spirit happened happened from Ali. Back to Israel when Christ tells Nicodemus are you the teacher of Israel and yet you do not understand these things. He should know these things but obviously it's not like that for him and and again most scholars agree with you. And we'll say Ezekiel thirty. Six is what price had in mind and In the spring of water you know that the cleansing of sprinkling mythos spirituals not. It's not it's not. It's not literal physical so also yeah again. You can't use John Three five to prove that song about baptism. Clearly the context and the entire testament does not back that up. So that's good. 'cause it's interesting. You brought up the Old Testament. References may be when I'm looking at The phrase fits in Heart. It's hard to say free. It was a brick Dr. Yeah right right and so it's looking at the word is. I'm wondering this will give the confront store worded causes. The word is like tax cuts and lucile right and it's awesome pierce thoroughly agitate violently right now. And that's what is like to cut the hard way. Lucas use these words using this word for cut. A prick is like decided. This was this man. This may be true the this actually caused those nights. Oh me like this. This hit home you. You don't say it like that. It wasn't just realization nation of night. He may be the oldest oldest wish. Shall we do Peter in La in what we do this. This this is not that only comes from heaven episodes of the heart and not being stubborn ever recognize light now is wholly guy like a reminds me when I was when I was first when I yeah heard the Gospel Right. But meanwhile in our member way at first heat me hold on Amanda but I'm thinking about my life and female webster awake at night if this is true if Donald J is always saved therapies back. He's got his ex to their aid. We're happening the speaking. It's everything everything else and these people who are personalized. They're they're they're jus they're coming up in a hearing his mission going on now he preaches. Golf was at home so they thought they were right. There will be the same boat. All Hey you know we're okay you know any preaching to and it was like I'm thinking I'm good with God and realize the Night Galvin personnel works. I never knew trust in Christ is the process way heard about that. Never looked at it in that way and if this is true in audited suicide my saying my knees of his of his South Asian in one half and I remember I up the liberal fear struck me enough nothing to fear of hail. It wasn't a fear like I want to go to jail. It will just like really messed up. A holy he's he's truly and I'm not I'm not you know what I'm saying it's like okay. What can I do now? A charge on compliance. Our ruinous ready to do you know what I'm saying is by the sense of urgency. He knows like okay. I don't want to go see this. I have the night. What can I do you know and it reminds you that this is kind of a year is all? I'm saying. Give an inspiration. And all that is they will off what men are person. Does this. Who doesn't have faith? Those are saying that they know they repent and be baptized. But this no faith Mitch and know how do they have this. This cuts to the heart. How can cut to the heart? If they didn't have faith in how they have this fake eight the spirit. All aiding mice to the flesh is hostile towards you know beautiful. Oh Man Yeah No I. I mean we sent earlier like it's having a fear like your your fear shifted from Hell itself to now you threw God you know and people you're how more than it is a fair God and that's unfortunate but I think of James to To eighteen now the POL even the demons believe in shutter now. So you should have this fear. If you're a non believer for God in a more than Hell. We should fear. God seen him. They realized that day crucify priced. They messed up big you know and But here's good news now and so again in the book of acts it's more again again. Descriptive not prescriptive. It's more of an account of what happened. So going back to three this audio being born again again. It's it's not an was not a new teaching Christ was not lying when he was implying. Something to to nicodemo. When he said you know you yet you do not know these things? are shining sings constantly. Being born again was never baptism. Plus plus a spiritual birth. It was all spiritual well. The last the last point about services are the heart. I could've made it a little cleaner. prepared more. But there's one more verse than WanNa share regarding that it's in Romans two to nineteen but a Jew is one and Wurley. Circumcision is a matter of the heart by the spirit now. Now by the letter his praise is not from men but from God so kind of conclude that that I made earlier about some of circumcision of the heart. It it's their Old Testament and you trust but let me see what how what a half left to have Mark Sixteen Sixteen for speed or three twenty one James James Two to twenty six or so faith without works is dead. I have all these passages man that I want to get into But we'll we'll be here all night you know so I think we covered quite a bit We just went through. I think versus at about eleven or twelve But at school I mean hopefully people will find this helpful again if you're If you're a Christian and you're you're looking for these answers the free to reach out to me Information below and also Jamaa. I'm sure he's going to Encourage you to reach out to him if you have any questions PODCAST The saints edified if you find Itunes inker. FM Any thought form But hopefully there's going to be at least a couple more parts with me. Jamal them all we could cover. These things These passages and these arguments up a Jamaa. Do you have anything you want to say any encouragement anything. You want to assert listeners. I I wanNA thank you again. Brooklyn happy on. And he's been a shed as always they are great that we shared it indefinitely. After of finishing this conversational Koroma parts. It makes a you know this is a very important subject. And there's so many people st vitus doctor and also help Weber so now see some light and it's an hobby grateful. I just WANNA encourage those. You are listening to this. Watch this that the scriptures that we went over here. If you disagreed for those who disagree I would ask alleged to think about buying misery. What is it that you disagree about? WHOA focus said on the connections that were made from the old investment? REDID light after I. You brought the test affair with iota. Smith in drawing the connection Russian saw accident one. Who listened this and still disagree? Why and wit in with what will you discreet? Just actual self that and then searched scriptures to see if there's anything if if there's a rebuttal against what we're talking about is I'm confident to say that I don't think there's anything in there can go against instead tonight concerning the moving spirit the condition of the heart when dark in terms of repentance on how the Lord is sovereign. Sorry in our Pinson's granted to us in the fact that I was talking about being in the name of Jesus or versus the autism those spirits whereas whereas procured is the the confrontation that was proved the point against what we're saying. And just think about that you know if just hold to the truth Oath what the truth is and the truth is consistent always remember that true is consistent all right for those of you who may be struggling. Alan was the subject I want to know more. Please reach out to him. Reach out so me. Welcome you so you can email me. Prescribed Dot Truth Itchy. My Dot Com. I'll have a land that you can call eight. 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Andrew and Matt are Back and so are the Trolls

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Andrew and Matt are Back and so are the Trolls

"Ricki. Par Christian puck. Right. We are live. I don't know. Matt did you hear the introduction music? I don't know that was playing. That's weird. It was not playing through the system sorry about that. But we are alive and we thank you for joining us. This was we just get started or any there are some super chats. So let me first introduce us before we go to the super chats. If that's okay, I am Andrew Rappaport, the host, and I am with striving for attorney ministries, and we have. Matt slick in the house, both of us together. It's been a while since we've been together, Matt. Not long enough. All right. So John Trine gave to ninety nine cents super chats. Thank you very much for that. And as always, I mentioned that the super chats to Karm dot org. It goes to help support them for folks. Good of we need that just really need it. Yes. So and for folks who, who know you know, this is politics live is show, that's put on by striving for trinity. But we work with Karm crazy idea to Christian ministries, working together, Matt. That's kind of insanity house that what it I don't know. I think we don't take each other too seriously. And that's probably the thing that don't take you seriously complete joke. So hey, you know. And I don't think you seriously. There we go for experts here. Come on. That's right. Be I mean you might as well get your theology straight now. So that when you're in heaven, you don't have to change like me. I don't I don't know about you, but I'm. Changing. I'm not holy in perfect life. You are. So I've been gone met to your favorite area place. You, you really love going to now you gotta you to tell you why teasing. But why do you say it that way? Okay. So Matt, there's a couple of things Matt really doesn't like one is noise, too much noise too much noise. The other is traffic and the Philippines had a lot of both. But I had something that is not willing to do. And for folks who want to make sure Matt's faces on here when, when I'm saying this, but Matt, I enjoyed some balut. That face from that. So for folks listening on the podcast, Matt, just made a very interesting face of complete disgust. Because. He cannot handle eating balut it tasted sweeter was like having sweet egg, you know, I'm going to start hurling here pretty you want to explain what is. You too. I don't wanna. Okay, so balut. We Justin Peters, and I were in the Philippines to do some conferences, and I actually spoke more than you. And I did on that apologize. Cruise we did together? And we felt a lot. Yeah. I think in those we did we did you did. I think either you did nine than I did a messages in seven days. Right. And this trip I did twelve messages in ten days. It was do some math on price pretty close. So what was that? You did. How many so I ended up doing twelve messages in ten days so he did to it's ten for twelve okay? I'll get a ratio and I did nine in how long have we, we were gone for. It was like a seven or eight day. So technically, I guess ten eight days, seven nights, so that's going to do the math on that of nights, all eight days. Okay. I'll work it out. You work it out. So, so we were we were out in the Philippines, and, you know, one of the things that wasn't courage ING was I ran into some people who listen to this show, and the reason that's super encouraging is this is playing live in the Philippines at eight AM Friday morning is when we start. And so we, we run eight to ten Friday mornings, and there are people who watch live from the Philippine. So they're getting up early and check in this out, and they had people say, how helpful this show has been for them and learn how to answer questions. And we, we really had an impact there in the Philippines. I have a podcast, my rapper podcast dropped this weekend. Justin peterson. I got together. And we discussed the, the two weeks we were in the Philippines, and it was the a great impact now new year, urine courage, when you hear these things, but we had several people that are in were, I should say, in were to faith churches, and are not anymore, a number of people who left victory, Christian church, which is one of the big word efface churches, and the other g twelve and they were telling us and still content even as last night, when we're just before Justin I recorded, we got a message from someone that was letting us know that because of the theme out we dealt with the issue of women preachers, and over that issue, they realized they had to leave their church to two women preachers. And so it's, it's neat to, to realize that, you know, we could fly to the Philippines. And literally as one person said the whole country is talking about the conferences that we had. So it's good to know. There was an impact there. So good. So what is I'm just reading what Bill is saying in the Chad? He says welcome back, Andrew, Matt will spend time in purgatory while Andrew, the Saint will go straight. I like Bill bill's a good guy all of a sudden. Hey, so there there's a new thing I guess, on Facebook where people can put up these voting's. And I've been noticing some, some websites had voting on podcasts. Well gospel track planet decided to put up your favorite living preacher. I don't know if you're even on that list actually met. Oh, but I got paired up in round one. Vs Phil Johnson. There's no way making it. Pest round one. John MacArthur up against like Kenneth Copeland like seriously. That's like a no brainer. All right. I have to go. I'll have to look to see if Matt six on the list. What's the gospel track planet? I should I should look to see if you're even on that list, that would be bad. What if you're not even on the list? Then all of a sudden they would go up in value. Tracked comparison thing. But anyway, I will say, okay. Here I will get you the. How do I how do I get the link? Well, here's here's the put the Lincoln the chat here, and I'll put it in the. You don't have a couple of hours to vote against me is really funny. Phil Johnston said that he, he voted for me. I said, good. I voted for you. So it's Jeff Durban versus tallies. I, I like this one cost the hin versus Benny hen. I can't. We see the result of that one. I think he's gonna win James white versus Craig free overseas. Platt, Lawson versus Alstine Lawson wins there. Diong versus Packer. Ferguson versus Ray comfort, Copeland versus MacArthur. So that's the that's the first half. And then Paul washer versus Stephen Fertig. Matt Chandler versus Mark Dever Francis Chan we talked about Francis Chan in the Philippines. We could get to him. Chan verses Biki and let me turn his volume down. And then we had, let's see ouster beg versus Ravi, Zacharias voting Bachan versus Bill Johnson Nevo twins. They're Justin Peters. Made it. He's going up against Frank Turk in round. One me versus Phil Johnson, and Al molar versus John piper. You know, I suddenly I like gospel track planet even more because you didn't make it to the list, Matt. Nigger rivers down hill. Okay. Someone has only only we probably heard that someone's TV or what was. All right. So, but yeah, it was it was good being in the Philippines. Good to be able to meet some of our, our listeners and be able to see them face face take some photos with them. That was encouraging. I'm gonna I'm gonna try to get the video of me having the balut just so you can see it's disgusting. You'd explain what it is. Okay. All right. I'll explain what it is. And so Justin Peters had the same face that you had. So what balut is is. They take a duck, egg fertilized duck egg, and they. I'm not sure you. Stomach. I'm going to actually. Microwave. You tell me when you're ready. The best part is Mack. Okay. You take it fertilized duck egg, you let it grow a little bit. And then they boil it. So depending on the stage of development, you have different stages, and you'll get the duck having well, sometimes it'll be pretty well developed, so that would be something you, can you can look at all right. We'll give them at the thumbs up. We're done mad safe. Yeah. Get video from that. All right. He squad went dead. Oh, matt. There we go. All right. I was I'm you. Oh, did someone muted me? Oh, okay. Well. And we're just gonna people are not allowed to come in here and mute the hosts. All right. So cat. Let me let me add you in and ask you because I don't know when let's see, when when was I muted. How did I explain what a balut is? I heard something something stage of the duck and then that was it so maybe to start over again. Oh, poor Matt. Okay. Go ahead. So basically, what it is, is you, you take a fertilized duck egg, you let it grow quite a bit. And you at different stages. You can, then eat the duck egg. They they boil it. So it becomes a hardboiled egg. It's very sweet tasting egg is really what it is. And but that's basically what it is in pending on the age of development. You either get it with the beacon and Alton testi-, or you just get it where it's just a Little Brown piece of something in the neck. So we'll give math thumbs up. Okay. I just I enjoyed it tasted good. So didn't enjoy the pig's blood that I ate. But I ate anything that they put in front of me, basically. But so but it was a good. It was good conference. Matt. We, we definitely got to see a lot of people who were very. Who are learning a lot and one of the things that was unexpected. We were down in this Abhu, which is there to, to we did too discernment conferences. And the one in Sabuku was very interesting because what I didn't realize as we're going to Q and A was there were three rows of female pastors, all like right to my right and a question that came up because both Justin an I had dealt with the role of women as pastors and why we feel trong and what was very able as it's wrong. Yeah. Why the bible says wrong, okay? Let me just get someone who is Dwight us blocking. Yeah. We're just going to Egypt him. So obviously, the trolls are here in full force, blocking us in meeting, the very, very adults like is little babies. All it does, they should know that all it does is just vindicate us. They hobby. You know get your kicks from it and think it's funny. But what you don't realize what it does to at least to me. I can tell you what to me. I don't know about you, but it actually encourages. Yep. And, and they're in and muting and. I was gonna say that what it does for it, it L helps encourage me to work harder against lactose and losers. That system put together, you know, it's funny though is I noticed that the time that we get the trolls in the most is, when you and I talk about things like word of faith. Yeah. Interesting expansion of the gospel, missionary, preaching you're teaching in the Philippines. There's obviously a spiritual battle going on in the enemy has his servants, and they listened to the cry and whining of the of the false spiritual side. And, and they serve it, Nick amended do things like this, that they think are fun when it said nothing but foolishness immaturity, and, and malicious intent and I would say, this is the proof that they know God exists, because these guys that say they're atheists, and would argue that they know God doesn't exist. They would not if they really believed it, they wouldn't waste their time. Coming into Christian groups just because distraction, they wouldn't do it. Yeah. So it's just me. I moved a great deal and twenty six hundred twelve very skinny kid. And so I grew up with the mentality of bullies everywhere I learned to resist them and other fight against the mostly mentally and then later physically, but the capability of physically, but the thing is that, you know, I carry that over to now they're they behave like that bullies in it. Would it caused me to do is go? Okay. I'll just work all the harder. Yeah. Do so we had so picture the scene. We I didn't realize at the time that there was these three Rosa female pastors. And. The question came up because Justin idell with what the bible says about this topic and the question was, you know, if we're in a church, where female pastor, how do we transition to a male pastor? And if no men step up, what do we do? And so is my turn to answer. I so I came in and basically, I just was my first okay? We're just gonna keep tossing people. They're just it just gets annoying, but. Someone just muted came in a muted. So basically, what we end up seeing is that. Way they got to do. I'm trying to help. Yes. Are go ahead. Right. Right. I'm john. Yeah. I was trying to figure out who need me. I didn't know it was you. But we getting we're getting trolls in the watching fade to. Yeah. Okay. So, so it was you know, I just had a quick answer. You know, I want I was my turn to answer. I so I just said, you know what do you do to transition from a female pastor to amount? Pastor fire the female, pastor no men, step up close the church and there was like cheering from everywhere, except for this one section the right where they all win. I guess I was a little bit too, too strong on that. Yeah. I've said something similar of radio people, vast. What do I say that women need to step down, and, and it's a men, don't do anything, then they just sit and do nothing at the church doesn't work. It doesn't work it fails because the men are failing to do their jobs. And that's what it is. Yeah. That is what it is. They were not there were some who are unhappy. One of the guys didn't like that. I, I mentioned him by name, here's his quote that he said Matt. He said that a now I'm gonna paraphrase found quote directly in front of me. But he said that some people say that the love of money is the root of all evil. But I say to you that the lack of money is the root of all evil, if you want proof, try not having money, and the devil will come out in your wife. So let me ask you. I did he quote the verse properly. No. What is the verse versa address? But it's the love of money is the root of all evil all kinds of evil. Right. But his argument is that the lack of money as he sits with a picture of his Lamborghini. So, you know that that's what we end up seeing from, you know. These guys are out there, trying to get money for themselves. You know. Who said that it was, this was the, this was the quote unquote pastor of g twelve g twelve is a church that wants to take dominance over the government. That's what the G is for. They're gonna take they're gonna take dominion to an air type church. I know. But what's the name of the pastor who said that I look up his name again? I have it in my notes. I've heard that quote recently, I just forgot who it was. Yeah. I it's a heresy. It's and notice notice what happen the lack of money. So it's, it's an alteration of the word of God, and then the development of doctrine based on experience in complete submission of to God to the person's preferences, the elders we should see at this point, while he's preaching and teaching that message what we should say, are the horizontal flying of the elders as they have launched themselves in the knee tackle position to shut him up. And then drag him by his ankles, off the stage so that he doesn't say any more profound heresy, but the elders didn't do their job either. Because they, they unfortunately end up agreeing with them, because it was one of the elders I think that was upset with me. So this was in Philippines. Yeah. This was in the Philippines is. And we actually had Justin had one of the guys he mentioned. And this is really going to get you spun up, but. Joey, Joey Bonna facia is a one of the preachers down there, and he has been promoting building bridges, and so his good friend that they friends from. Well, we're gonna see what that is physical richest. Now he wants to build bridges with Catholics. And so his good friend, who he calls a leader and a summer or the Philippines. So he is friends with both Sanchez and all Justin did was quote the guy and his son, David was very unhappy with that said that, that all Justin did was quote him. And he was saying that he was missed. You know, his slandering him. He was doing character assassination. His brother Joseph jumped in and I said to his brother Joseph, if quoting your father is slander, then you've got a very low view of your father, right? Because it's your father's words. So let me ask you this because I, I talk about this with Justin on the on the rep podcast, is it okay to call out public ministries, is it because the thing that we kept hearing was, we did you go to them privately. So do we need to go to people privately about things they say in public before saying, good question? I think bible. Bibles and say about that's particular thing. So it's a little bit debatable, but I think it's a good idea to try and contact them first to see you can say, try to contact them and then go just for that, that reason, people can't have that complaint. But if they're gonna say something publicly, then I think it's game for a public review, but I like the idea of going to the privately Joyce Meyer. She says said some things publicly in her writings as and of videos that heretical we tried to contact her, and we have it all documented, and, and no response. So okay, we tried. And so he went forward. So that complaint can't be leveled against us. And that's exactly what Justin, I did we actually tried before we start at any of the conferences, we wanted to have a get together with these false. Teachers before we got there soon as we got there, and it was interesting because I had said that we did that and one guy actually posted. This was a beautiful thing is. He posted the picture. Of the message that he received from. So one of the local people, they're saying, we'd like to get together Justin Peters, Andrew uper coming in town, going do determine conference, they'd like to get together with you. And he wanted more information, and they were, and he said, well, let's get together and discuss it and the person never showed up. And so he says, we'll see you. You know you didn't invite us. Yeah, you got the invitation you had the date the time, but you wanted more requirements to it and, and that didn't happen. That doesn't mean you are invited. Right. You know, and to be fair, I mean, if we don't know all of the people how to a lot of these were to faith, guys have a lot of people between them you go to a website, and you're not going to get hold of a Benny Hinn. You know. But you know, we only do what you can do. I mean say, look, we we went to the process that they provide it. So that's what we did. And we there was nothing that came back. What are we gonna do? Down there and, and sneak in, in the after hours, wait in a closet. And then when they walk by jump out, you know what are you gonna do? I would love to see you described that picturing you like sitting Betty. In revival like sneaking underneath the underneath the stage or something waiting to pop out. Yeah, I would and weird hair straightened. That would be good. But, but you know we you and I both know someone that did do something similar to that didn't wait night. Why don't you tell that story? You mean what Justin did? Yeah. He you know, he's told the story every time and you know how he went up to was it. Timely dot Bentley. That's right. Do you know the story, you know better than I do you went up there? What fractious? Yup. Or and try to get a healing. And I you know, I know he work, so. He looked up behind him literally walked onstage, and it's not like just with crutches going to get there. There might be people who don't know who just impede her condition. All right. You're right guy. Very good point. So Justin Peters has several palsy which means he can't walk very far he walks on crutches. He usually is in a motorized scooter, and he found out that Todd Bentley was doing a live stream in his area, and he had realized it was going to be the next night, and it was in being aired in twenty some countries. And so Justin thought wouldn't this be good? If we got the true gospel message to be proclaimed on the airwaves there. So he walks up, and, and this is the irony is he it's not like he can walk quickly. He got all the way and there's a short video on YouTube. You see him when he's just behind Todd Bentley. And he just turns them and says, Todd Bentley's like, oh, we'll pray for you. Thinking he's up there for healing. And he goes. Justin, just says I have a word and you know, very well mess. What, what is that? When Bill say a word in those charismatic circles, what does that usually mean I mean to Lourdes, telling him something to tell you the it's from God. Yeah. And so what did he do? He he basically quoted Matthew seven twenty one to twenty three referring to Todd Bentley as someone who's gonna hear the Lord say, I never knew you depart from me. You practice lawlessness and Bentley. I, I, I love when Justin explains because he goes, you know, he'll be like, you know, this guy says he has knowledge from God and yet he didn't know what was about to happen. And the guy. Just he should've known. Yeah. Justin goes and the knuckle it gives me the microphone. So. Todd, Bentley says, who's the man and just goes you are. He starts preaching the gospel as they usher him out. And when you heard that story you decided that Justin Peters is who I called him that man. And hence the reason. He liked that. That was awesome. It was he's he is one of the boldest people. I know and the humblest at the same. Yes, he's a great guy. He has. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was how did they get around? Okay. I mean did he run? Okay in the Philippines, on a problem was it was a little bit hard, actually because we were innovation where basically the only way we could get him in had to go in the van and pick him up from his shoulders, while someone else picked his legs up, it was the only way we could get him into the man. And then we're picking his scooter up and having a low put that into the back of. And so my back was hurting by the end of that trip. And but then we, you know, it we're good in most of the places we went to on Sunday. We went to different churches. He went to the church with the elevator. A mix sense. Yeah. So I went to the church, there was an hour and a half. Two hours away and had four flights of stairs. And so it should be. Yeah. So, but it was it was it really was good. The food was good. I know you wouldn't have liked it. But I enjoyed it. No. Thanks. When I went to the Philippines, you know, we had we didn't have as good as you in a lot of ways. But, you know, ships and and sleeping in some odd things. Once we had to sleep in a I remember our mattress was an eighth of an inch thick and underneath us was a much chickens underneath the shed. We, we were we had puts mosquito netting up and then to go out in the bathroom, you had to go the bathroom into the mosquito netting and go out into an outhouse, and they warned us don't sit down without checking what you're sitting on because creatures would get in there. And so that was the worst situation that we had, but we also said at a nice hotel, too, but, you know it was great. The food was fine. But they don't know a lot of people don't know that what you mentioned earlier why, you know, the noise, that's where you only place only time I've ever had a severe. Dear. And it was a severe panic attack. I might entire life, and it was well was stuck in a van and the driver, the driver. And he was honking, the horn had his Filipino, whatever music on those guys in my right talking to a guy fronts conversation. Two guys behind me, and I was getting overloaded, because I have a not an auditory problem with too much noise. Just what it is. And overloaded and panicked. And they had to stop the van and took about twenty minutes from me to recover. So I went into shock. So that's when you were in, because you did son I didn't do as you got to ride a jeepney this. This fun. And we also went out to a man. We went out to some place, there's no electricity. No running water. It was no air conditioning. No hate the whole bit. And it was like an orphanage and the day they just gave us their food basically, and we left him a lot of money for that. And they gave us these fish they'd caught of an much to them to Loppy, but these are small to Loppy then we went to another place. We rode on little scooters. They had to have guides take us up and we went up into the hill aside hill country, and there were it was really interesting. I mean, the chapel was four posts and a single wall with a cover and that was the chapel. And it was maybe twelve by twelve kind of thing, and there were these village huts and you could see through them because the, the thing. They used to build them. Weren't always that good. And we were sitting in trying to have a bible, study teaching time in this woman comes in from the from the village, and she's got a baby, next to her, and she just takes offer top as ours breastfeeding, right there. Okay with ever, but it was just a different environment in the men were all gone because they were on a long trip trying to get some. How them that you, you're muted by almost dejected. You yourself. We just had to checked another, another very looser wacko her, so tolerant, man, aren't they other hypocritical? So I leaned were you on when you went to Philippines? But we were in the bottom third bottom quarter. Oh, so that's, that's the area that has more Muslims, were, we were in the Catholic area in Manila insa. Boo. Yeah. Yeah. We. I don't know what to me say because I thought about the church. The last five seconds. You were mentioning the church and you could see through it. Yeah. And then what was interesting was while we're trying to have a discussion about the Lord and things it would just culture difference. This woman comes up, she's got a nice, baby and is ringworm and they'd have health problems and she just drops her top inserts breastfeeding like it was just normal. And so we're trying to have a study and it was no big deal. But just the, the difference of culture and how they were, but I will say this remember this I'm sure you experience the same thing, the warmth the friendliness, the people it was great. You know. Hold on, Mattie. Mutiti again. Bill Gates muted you on corn videos. So they what they just come in to this. This is like the seventh the seventh one that what they're doing. It's probably one person who's going creating a new account coming in. It's, it's always named Bill Gates something black charger, and yeah. The very material. Dischord server. I'm kind of juggling three different pages. Now, children and okay. Let's let's discuss this. I mean, well, actually, I don't know if cat you have any questions tonight. Was just going to ask about a topic that a lot of people are asking, but I'm seeing that there's a Christopher in here and I don't know if he's here with a legitimate question. Not. So I love for years is not legitimate. You're saying no minds legitimate, but I don't know hearts for and I'm hoping he's not a troll, but so far so good pretty long. So I added Christopher so we'll, we'll see Christopher you have any questions you can meet yourself. I've turned up your volume. Yes. Yeah. Not troll. Actually. You've been here before I recognize. Now I remember looking at your picks. So what's your question for tonight? To the Neue. Covenant like in the first versions of Schefter nine I'm not been fulfilled in Christ. Detailing the way come to all I know of Bill. Building. On. Tonight by went about like. If. Person else's blood basically helped understatement. Are some to that. Awesome. Yeah. There's like it sounds like a fan on behind your son, speaking really, it's really hard to hear you something better. So try that again. Two. Yeah, you're over modulated to turn your volume down all all. I'll try that. How about that? Little bit better. But turned down some more. All. How about now a little bit better? Those I can go without meeting. My I myself. Okay. Okay. My question is in regards to dresses chapter nine verse five and whether or not applicable for today. Genesis nine five. Chile will require your lifeblood from every base, I will require it from every man from the revenge brother require life man sheds men's blood by men's lead. She'll be shed. Rainbow. The covenant was app, get rid of the cat here. The old covenant was abrogated, if you go to thirteen and he was nine fifteen to sixteen you'll see that the covenant with its stipulations and things like that are no longer in effect, don't have to worry about them. That's a long short version. The capital and never sin will maybe except that capital punishment. Seems to be promoted in Genesis. I mean enrollments. Right. That's us wondering too. I, I wasn't sure if there's a connection between nine five and Romans thirteen like the first couple of versus in that chapter. Well, you know, the idea of the government, having the right of, of execution is still there, and it was reiterated New Testament, but the way stuff, either do a deeper study on it. And but I think Andrew, my Nola, but more about a Jewish background, but the new stuff falls aren't at the Old Testament covenant system, which was abrogated. He was eighty nine so don't have to worry about those things. And that's a general statement to study that more to see what's going on with it. But that's how I would launch what initially. Yes. I'm good. I have another question if you guys have time sure. Okay. It's actually having relations like the billing Burgess thing Andrew mentioned earlier on in the video chat. There have been some, some Christians have been promote bridges between even Catholics, I know of and buy up scripture brought up on scripture guards to what Rome teaches, and I'm claims of the pulse gospel that they tended to nothing about that too much on his suggestions in regards to how I can bring the truth of Rome, new the gospel to the professing to Christians. What do you say to those who want to unite with the Roman Catholics in various issues? Yeah. Even like train Dover's like stay like, like movies, movie script those things. I. Movie scripts, I thought was joining with Catholics Alison movie scripts, so I didn't action. Me. So that would be the means of joining a with Catholics on the Catholic, and even quote Ryan movie together on like spiritual stuff. Well, you know, this is. It could be difficult thing. Can you work with Nathan can you work with a Mormon depending the certain context you talking about spiritual things me? I probably would not be able to work with a Roman Catholic on spiritual. Because on the county probably isn't saying, you know, so. You know as the bible says, in segment, six fourteen bound to go with unbelievers for what part of his, righteousness lawlessness. Fellowship is light with darkness, so sacred six fourteen talks about this, that we got be careful of where we draw unions. So that's actually I've actually brought that. Very thank Rilling with the guy though, with the guy but you keep mindset doesn't apply to. The script situation. Well. It is kind of a gray area because, you know what if I wrote a novel and they wanted to turn into a movie what I Bill to work with the unbelievers onset. For example, about the promotion of the movie. What do you do? It's a situation. And so you gotta think about things and. And I would say way h situation on its own its own merit. And according to conscious of the individual. That's fair. Well, like the topic like abortion or whatnot, because I know they're like Roman Catholics that we could that's on the abortion issue, if they want to the joint movie on, like, being antiabortion violate Corinthians, six fourteen eighty well, understanding what's segmented six. Fourteen means is another issue was it mean to be bound with an unbeliever. What does that mean you know? So I don't know. We have to look me, I do to some degree, but it's. Hold on. I gotta take care of something. We'd have to look at and, and expound on and then apply the principles out of that be to individual situations. I try not to just say, okay, all of it's wrong all of its good all of bad. But to try and work things according to. According to wisdom fairness and as sometimes situations can. Well, make things difficult. Let's say to, to deal with certain applications of scripture. Okay. That makes sense. Yeah. Second corinthians. Six comic acid to use other other passages like an Old Testament. That would be figures without taking context regards said, not behind the wheel. Honey to unbelievers. You know, I tell you, he's asking are there any other passages other than the being. Unequally yoked. Oh, similar patches is like that off the top of my head. I don't know. But we do have that brick apiece at six fourteen eight through eighteen as you said, I look what I could do. Just look on. And while you look that up, let me just say this for Christopher is, you know, some people a lot apply that only to marriage that a believer shouldn't get married to numbly. But when you look at it talks about partnership, which if you're doing a book together, or movie, script, or, which are like that, you have a partnership, if, if you're having a partnership, and it's going to be a movie about. I don't know going to college, maybe it's not a big deal. But when you say that it's a book about spiritual issues, you know, now, you've to you've now, you have a partnership on something that's both light in darkness. Now, the partnership is dealing with the issues that you have a difference on. And so if you have, and this is the whole thing that why we had an issue with Joey bonfire. She owes relationship Sanchez there in the Philippines is because that's light and darkness. Oh, these he claims to be like the only way he that Joey Bonifazio is not in violation of that is if he's not a believer because there's no way the Roman Catholic teaching Roman Catholic doctrine can be a believer. And so therefore when they worked together on spiritual matters. That's why just an I had the issues with it because he's promoting a Roman Catholic teaching Roman Catholic doctrine. And saying this is. You know, this is a good thing to do. Can't do that. You cannot promote the lies in the heresy the Roman Catholic church, and you gotta be very careful to not join with them and thereby accidents promote them. It's I. Yeah. I strongly, they're just while the pressing ideal is there's a there's a Christian guy that I know who runs on the young history, and whenever I brought out there on the Catholic. Sure, he doesn't really think it's that big of a deal here. Call the radio show or come in and talk talking here. And we slowly list out things and show him with the problems are with Catholicism all the concern, I would have is after a long period of time if he's if he's showing no concern over that. And he wants keep working with a Roman Catholic on spiritual matters. I would start to question his salvation because the only way the Holy Spirit. If he's in dwell with the way, spirit, the holy, spirit's not gonna let that continue. Unless he's not a believer. So that I mean over a long period time. You gotta start question that with them. The way for point of my knowledge. I think he's, he's talking about the gospel. Several times came to know inside now. Just enough with the day per heresies of the Roman Catholic church, the case either. Or maybe basically several years ago, I went through both. I'm not sure you ever heard of the book book called on the gospel according to Rome by game. It is an awesome book awesome. I have it. Very good. That's, that's I got US Open. My eyes to evangelize Roman Catholics. Good. Yeah. That is really a good book. Yeah. He I went to the book together in basically a condition that Roman Catholic to be vandalized his conviction was. I mean recalling how he would deal with offer shoes, basically. Only have worry about. We're told not to worry about audio for we're toll to worry about that the essentials, and the Roman Catholic church denies the at least one essential justification by faith in Christ alone and promotes idolatry. Those are the two major things and it promotes a form of idolatry in the Eucharist in its its false teachings. So it has got some serious problems. I. And seriously? If like I said, if he's not concerned about it. Anyone who is not concerned with where lost person is going to spend eternity. You have to wonder if they're saved themselves because. As a believer, you're going to be concerned about that. So if it has been going on for a long time. You, you may wanna start evangelizing him. All right. I appreciate the feedback on, I will definitely on talking about go from there. All right. Well, thanks for coming in. If you so cat, you had some questions and I should announce that allies is in here. So welcoming guy he's way that works very well for those who can't see you. It works. Great for radio. Yeah. Feel the presence of my way. Cat had had a question. Let's. Like an opening was just going to ask you, and you can decide to address it or not, or whatever. But a lot of things I'm seeing come up right now against anti even just anti-christian is in the bible right now. It's going to argue about how God condones rape. And I'm just gonna ask if you guys wanted to speak to that. And you know what exactly does it say booklet specially in the Old Testament for anybody who is listening? And of course, all always glean a bunch from you guys. But. Where does it say that, God condones rape? I don't know I've ever heard them giving a saying because it's allowed and it happens in God doesn't like comedown and smile, everybody who's done it. And what about those who lie about God like the Theus in the complainers raise issues like this should God done Smyth them as well? Oh, yeah. You know, when people raise questions like that had this race to me, you know, they'll say what has got condoned. Rape. I said, gimme the verse show me the verse where he condones it. And there's no verse that condones rape. But what they generally are saying, well, then why does the girl have to marry the rapist? That's condoning rife. That's not condoning rate. To the what that's that we brought up to people are an in. It's not just one person. That's why it's going to ask and see if I can get your opinion because then that means that the victim has to be stuck with him. And it's horrible. You know, I can't imagine, I'm going to be like that. But, but there's, there's a cultural thing that they people are absolutely unfamiliar with, and what they are do doing committing. What's called ethnocentricity? They're judging another culture by their own culture by their own standards. That's with no centrist. He has. And not to say that, that rape is good. And my saying that, you know, here in our culture, we all right? But should be punished, and he should be jailed. And I think if you other things to be done, but nevertheless, what about that culture? What do you do with in that culture, which is basically a granny, and you don't have internet? You don't have police patrol. You don't have prisons, what do you do for punishment? We get a lock them up because if you lock them up into a room, which they didn't have they didn't do that kind of thing, that's more of a western civilization, kind of an invention, more or less. But, you know, they didn't do that in the Jewish culture. They did the Roman culture. So what do you do what do you do? Well, you make bible says that pay for if they steal. They pay four times what they stole and restitution that has to happens because when a crime is committed restitution is the issue, not just simply isolation and so restitution here in the in the sense of a woman being right. Is it doesn't own? I suspect also that the, the not inscription about suspect that the relatives of the woman would go have a discussion with the guy behind the tool. Shed if you get my drift and stuff, but anyway, so aluminum who was d- flowered, whether by choice or by. Force was then considered right. Or wrong damaged goods in that culture men wanted to marry virgins. It was extremely important. Now, a widow that was socially acceptable to a widowed children, whatever, but a young maiden you had to marry a virgin because it was a symbol of purity before God before the culture, society, your acceptability Mary, virgin, she had to be pure. She was not a harlot. She was not a bad woman, because the, the, the woman was extremely now the word valuable is, is a is a wrong way because it looks like so as she's an object, but there was a sense in which women were valued in a very great way. And as the soil into which the seed was planted, because a seed is what gives life, they were just the, the soil, not in genetics. And so who she was what she? Was was was very very, very important. All right. So if she's rape, she's deflowered cheese damaged goods, but in a society. Sorry Ray did you cry enough? Did you do this enough? Well, okay, there you go. So what they did was it said she probably will not be able to be married, not because, you know, one would marry her or as capability, but clued merrier look what happened to her. She is, you know, even rape get near her right or wrong. That was that's what I remember hearing that is largely the, the, the cultural situation. So the rest of to Shen. Saturday, ben. All right. So the restitution was to marry her and become responsible for her in this situation, and he could not divorce her. It could not send her away, and it was one of the restrictions that was removed or the rights are removed from him. And so he was stuck as an obligation to take care of her and society would know about this with him. And he was responsible for her. And they were more sympathetic to her in the situation than to him now. Right or wrong. That was, what would happen, and that's why it was talking about marrying the rapist because who else would? And then she might become destitute, who's going to take care of her, because she had a man in a family to take us how it wasn't agrarian society where you don't have running water when you flip a tap, you know, called nine one one and things are fun, so to speak. So there's no place where it says that well. That are lemme ask you question with the culture did people choose who they married, did they marry for love? Rarely they did you know, but it mainly was for by pre-arranged marriages with a family families get together and my daughter with your son or vice versa. And dowries were given contracts were were made. And if one of the parties broke the con- contractual agreement there can be penalties. I on sometimes penalties could. Could be severe in some areas of financial severity public shame it was basically scandal to, to kind of break that covenant bound of commitment that the family had made their exceptions, of course. But it was really very serious thing. And he didn't marry mostly for love, which is an reason I bring that up is because the main part of the argument is a misunderstanding of the culture they want to as you mentioned. They want to apply culture, where we get to choose marriage that wasn't the culture parents chose the marriage. You didn't have a choice. You didn't get to choose who you married. Your parents arranged it. You might not get along. You had to learn to love one another you. So, so when we look at what Paul says that wiser Smith, their husbands, and their husbands to love their wives like, Chrysler's the church. This isn't a culture where they don't get to set up their own marriage. It's just this is expected. That you're going to work this out, you and, you know, your marriage with you was obviously range, because she wouldn't have picked you. That I would I would I would agree with have said that it actually was. Yeah. But, you know, the, the only place where you see it mentioned that rape is in what's called the evil bible. Which is basically where they completely misrepresent the scriptures. Yeah. So, you know, it's not, you know, they're, they're breaking one of the one of the essential rules of, of harmony, which is the how you interpret, the bible, we look at the context. This is dealing with the cultural context. Okay. And so what we, we end up having is the fact. Oh, he's so bold this little child. And you're gone again. All right. I wonder if one of his diapers are filled. Yeah. No, so, so the reality is, whoever the troll is that's doing it. Here's, here's a simple thing that you're displaying for everybody view have no argument. And, you know, it you're such a coward that you can't even come in here and attempt to, to debate the topics because, you know, you're, you're now there's someone in the in a chat, that's keeps telling us that debate J dire. Well, Mark, this is an open hang out. You can have J join us, we could discuss it. Whatever you want to have the debate on come on, in, if you wanna have a formal debate have J contact may go to striving for train dot ORG, contact me and we'll set up a formal debate I should let folks know if you want to join the hang out, just go to apologize live dot ORG, and that there's where the link is to join there was someone who I was waiting for him to come in met. He didn't. Come in. I'm trying to look up his name now again. So quite is very happy, man. And he, he just said, I'm gay can I come in here? I said, sure, we like happy people. So why laughing at that? So, so folks, if you wanna come on in just come in, you can go to apologize, live dot com and and join in so ally, you're, you're mentioning a book with an I think is referenced the cats question, Basie some ways to navigate conversations of book. I highly recommend. Why don't you talk about it? If. The, the, the troll muted you there. You can you hear me now. Yes. Now weirdo. Yeah. Cat cat wrote in the texture. I can't phrase response as well as you guys and that just made me. Thank yes, you, can if you practice how to navigate conversations, you're able to ask key questions and be able to place yourself in the position to identify weaknesses and the book tactics is great because it helps you stay in control of conversation without being in a situation of risk. It's a very book teaches you how to stay safe in conversation while at the same time, also key questions to bring about the bring the forefront possible weaknesses in another person's position. So that's, that's a really great while I really great tactic tactics. Teaches y'all hoes of so you how did you come to that conclusion? Well, well, I heard has doing there about the book and when I when I what I loved about it was it you so many practical. Here's the thing when you talk about apologetic, evangelism, and all this other kind of stuff when we talk about the theory of it all it can be very complicated. But people who are who are listening to stuff like this, or podcasts or debates they really wanna know like, what will how do I do this with my neighbor? What is look like in real life? And I think a book like tactics helps kind of give us a picture of what that might look like and gives us tools as to not, what to say, necessarily, but it provides us away of how we should think, and there's reasons why we asked certain questions that we ask conversations, I think very helpful in that regard. How do you know that to be true? I'm sorry. You li-. How do you know that to be true? How do I know what to be true? Would you said you see what I did there? So what I'm actually doing is going through some of the tactics that they give you the book is written by Greg cocoa. And an excellent book in, it will ask you, it will teach you how to ask some basic questions helps you navigate conversations and I just gave away two of the ones that he calls his Colombo tactic, which is asking questions to get information to basically see where someone's at. So how do you know that three true is a way of trying to they, they make a statement? Rape is the, the bible condones ripe. How do you know that to be true? Is he get them having to answer? Here's a reason why kept because most of the people most of the fessing, atheist don't even know that they have no answers there. So blind give you as instance what happened in New York. We had a guy named James he, he was shouting. There is no God, because there's evil in the world. There is no God, because there's evil in the world. And I just turned him that's a claim. Anytime someone gives you a claim you ask a question. I said, how can there be evil without God? He never thought about that all of a sudden he had to think questions change the way you have to think to give an answer if I just have to look for where there's holes in your argument and try to poke holes in it. That's easy 'cause I don't need to listen to what you're saying. I just need to listen for where I can poke a hole. But if you asked me a question, I have to think through that and give an answer. It's different thinking process, it's called a Socratic model from Socrates. And because of that you're forcing actually think through things James didn't have an answer. He's like, well, you tell me what is I'm like, I didn't say it exists and he kept he, he wouldn't answer. He just go you told me what evil is. I said, okay. Evil is the absence of good and good is defined by the nature of God. How can you ever without God? And he threw his hands up and walked away because there is no way to explain evil if God doesn't exist. Right, right. So when they say that when they argue about rape, you don't even have to get into trying to explain the culture of, of the times, and all that you can ask question. Why is rape wrong? God doesn't exist by what standard because. Good. Because it's it promotes of Lucien progress. I mean, if we're just chemical reactions, then in that world view. Rape is nothing. It's just two chemicals reacting. Sometimes they react one way, some another. But it's just a chemical reaction therefore it doesn't have any moral good or bad, when they're going to argue that it does. Well, they have to be arguing that rape is a universal absolute standard. Because they're saying that it applies to everybody there, saying that it applies outside of what we think. But what makes the act of rape wrong? You have to be careful though. Because when someone says, you know, you know, rape is evil, they might not necessarily be saying it from the perspective of their worldview their atheist. They might sail. Yeah. Rape is unfortunate, but there's no standard in my world view. But the problem is in your world worldview, what appears to look like rate, it looks like your God condones, as we wanna make sure we make those careful distinctions clarify show that that's not actually the case because what I've noticed too, when people use those Old Testament, passages what they do is, they don't say, look, God condones rape. And then there's, there's acts the text is actually saying that they are interpreting attacks in particular way, in for jarred of sense. And they're saying, look your bible promotes what I am interpreting as rape and look there. That's why you know, there's something a problem there. And you need to point out that that's not. Their interpretation is incorrect. So what they're doing at that point. Is there? Tempting to do an internal critique and you hear this a lot, they'll, they'll pretend to step into your worldview, but notice what they what they do. And you showed this very well Eli, they try to step into our world view, but not completely. See the only want to step into the world view to say that your bible condones rape, but then they leave the worldview to explain that this is wrong. And that this is actually rape. Right. So they, they leave the culture, they don't they don't fully embrace the internal critique. Right. They jump in but only part way, you know, so what they're doing when they do this, and they're trying to do an internal, critique if you're gonna make an internal critique you step fully into the world view. You don't do partial into the worldview, and that's what they often do they, they go in partially just to say it's wrong, they'll say, yes. Well, this is what your bible says, and it's wrong but the bible doesn't say troll. Because the different culture. I think also important to, and this is what you just said is huge. I tried to point this out. I just recently had an interaction with the, an atheist on YouTube, where he offered. Critique of my world. I kept. I kept reminding him that as long as you throw rocks from your foundation. You're not getting anywhere. You cannot do it internal critique. And then sneak in things that my world do doesn't grant. So say for example, how do you know God is not deceiving you? Well, that presupposes that within my world, do there's a there is a, a possible world in which I may be I may be deceived by the God of the bible. And that's not that proposition. I may be deceived by the God of the bible doesn't fit within my worldview. See what he's doing is jumping from his worldview, where he thinks there is a possibility within my world that I might be wrong. You see what I'm saying? So I didn't let him even say that. Because within my world, you I can't. Be wrong since God is, you know, in my world from within my framework. There is no such thing as a possibility of my God. Not existing that possibility that you snuck in there is actually an element within your worldview in which my God is not an essential feature of of the world. And so people try to sneak in these kinds of things and Christians will will fall into the trap, because they'll say, well, yeah, I guess I could be wrong. Well, not, if Christianity true, you can't be so these people sneak in these these these elements that we need to point out that is not a genuine internal critique. What you've done is you snuck into my world view. And you smuggled in when you sneak into the movies and you're you smuggle in some candy that you're not supposed to bring in people are smuggling in atheist to candy in your Christian worldview, when they try to do any time you've done this often he li- toast area. Oh, yeah. I've had the smiling when he said that Matt, do you notice he it seemed like this is a regular thing. He he's done poker. And then there's a different world candy were view. But you see what makes sense it makes sense, hopefully, is, is that I pointed out, and this is important that possibility and impossibility is something that exists under God not over. God. In other words, God himself is the standard of possibility and impossibility. My worldview is not one in which possibility and impossibility. This idea of contingency, stands over my God. So if you are going to say, is it possible? You could be wrong that question assumes that contingency possibility and probability stands over, my God, such that my God is not necessary. I would say probability is under my God, because he's the one who establishes the very standard of what's possible impossible. So why do you lie? So, so what is the point here being is what you end up seeing appeal make arguments cat, you wanna not just quickly jump into the answer the argument. Okay. You wanna take a step back and evaluate the premise of the argument more often than not they've failed premise, one of the things you could do is show that when they when they have to win an argument hats to rely on logical fallacies and has to rely on things that are logically, invalid, then, you know, it's wrong because it's if it's from God, it's going to be logically, valid okay because God is a logical being and so that becomes the thing to look for right? And by the way, I should like, you know, you life. You don't know the book tactics is coming out with a second edition soon. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Study guide that comes with it as well. I encourage people to do small like book studies on that book alone. It's a it's excellent. Because I think verges the gap like when you have apologetic content in your, your mind. Then the other challenge is actually spitting it out in a way that actually makes sense. So I think that book is a good. You know, a good gap filler kind of creates that bridge and connects what's in your mind onto, like you realize conversation. So. Know I've not read. An audio book. I, I downloaded the audio book audio I didn't know that. Oh, I didn't know that. Any other questions kep? No, he I mean I could always ask about different things. But now no, I can wait. Thank thank you guys so much. But you can wait. We're waiting for you to ask questions so users here and you know, I'm just rambling person. Well what about this? The like the other Andrew never asks questions. I just had it on. But, like, come on. He has. He has plenty of questions we could give you to hit what mine was a long winded discussion. You know that's because he like. Or on this one. It was all Eli fault, it, would it would have been mad fault. But ally answered long winded Cam. Himself as trouble troublemaker anyway. Sneaking in that can. You see this. You come in. I it's because import Rican, I see how it is just instantly had to go there, go to the race card because when I get on the automatic sympathies. I'm jewish. So you must plant medic and mental. Matches his like thinks he's slick, but he's not he's not slick. We notice. Holiday combined. Wait, wait. Did you guys hear what he just said? He wouldn't. He what did matches say? I couldn't catch it. We were all going at the same time. They're Matt says you slip all of you combined do do any of you here believe that is slicker than all of us combined. In fact, we. Inca car salesman. So, okay. Okay. If it's greasy, course Courcelle, I agree Mattis liquor than all of us. But if it's being slicking outsmarting, I'm just saying Matt, have you ever paid for dinner people outta dinners mine? For dinner. All right. It's gonna happen. Well, let's. Hey, no. Actually, I won't be at Mantar, but let let's let's see what happened on one of the after shows with the council. Let's play a clip was injured. The one that helps you get the podcast back. We can you hear that? Yeah. He did help did it. Don't don't. You think yo dinner for that. Does that come through it all are now for me? I was playing the clip where, where they asked you, if I helped with the podcast and you said, yes, and they said that doing think yo me dinner. Figure this working. Sorry. Oh that'll that's funny. That's classic. The reality is mad has not has not been successful. So I'm not coming to Mantar. Unfortunately, the last year, Mantar Matt, why don't you explain to folks, what Mantar is? And why it's the last year of Mantey. Manteaux is if you were to it's in the central part of, of Utah, and once a year, they had was called the anti Mormon miracle pageant in June. So I'll be going in about a week and a half two weeks spending, but three days there for days, and it's hot and it's where the more there's got the geographies important. But what's really interesting? Is this places in? Middle of nowhere kind of thing and the town's next door like you know, couple of three thousand people five four thousand people kind of thing. And so there's a temple sacred place in Mormonism, and it's up on a nice hill. And so what they do is they use that location with this hillside to enact a play and the hill comes down, and there's this flat area, and you get twenty thirty thousand people in this area. And so they do this film film knack, reenactment of the early days of, of Mormonism full of misrepresentations half truths, of course. But it's it's done and it starts at. At nine o'clock. I believe, remember correctly and eight o'clock, right? Was it? Eight. Was it? Eight start getting dark. Yeah. And so what happens is Mormons are going there for for hours privates. Previously, you know, they wanna get good seats. They made a big deal because you can't get in and out in five minutes, there's, there's thirty thousand people there twenty thirty thousand people. So they trickle in over two three hours and the, the, the Christians are there like the poor seals are going through the shark infested waters, kind of thing to get to the, the place where they, they hold their pageant. And so what they've done. The Mormon church is bought a certain stretch a street and blocked it off that we can't go on it. And they've tried to reduce the effectiveness of the Christians who attend. And he's Christians are from all over the world. So that people from Brazil, and think, Scotland there Canada, of course, affect from here you. You know, Nathan Lindsey they're going, and then Cameron's going to be going, and you sticking five six or seven people from his church running van they're going to drive down. So from hair my house. It's about a seven hour drive to get there, but we're gonna get there and. Benefit as their we'll do a camera and try to interview people, and they'll be this last one and the Mormon church officially has stated that trying to go into different directions and stuff. But I've heard I won't say it on air, but I've heard some other reasons. Well, part of part of the fact is that in that particular area, by the way, that temple is the first Mormon temple, most feel, we think it's the one Salt Lake City Salt Lake City was was the second temple built first one started is is my understanding that or it's reversed. But the this temple in Mantar is that area around Mantar is the least from what I understand the least Mormon area in Utah. And a lot of people think it's because all the Vangelis and that goes on because of this, this pageant, they have because you get a thousand Christian, you get hundreds of Christians of Angelides into thousands of moments. Yeah. It's, it's really something. I mean, the Christians have a prayer meeting, they, they pray their Vangelis causing that there's approaches that I don't agree with, but that's okay, say anything would I'd like to do is go there, and I like to pick off the hecklers. So we'll have like Ehrich evolve LA he'll get up and do open air. And so I'll go and to stand thirty feet away from him. And that's it. He's usually sees me there. There's not, you know, then things to get it before the years. He knows. I'm there if anybody's gonna start hassling him, depending on the situation, if it's a good heckling interchange continue because he can use that. But if they're just being difficult and obstreperous than I'll go in and intercept them so that he could be free to continue preaching and teaching me doing that. Matt steals, my heckler. And when when you do it. I go, I go, you know. Yeah. Last year met didn't realize 'em sitting there. I get this guy. I'm not trying to bring them in as a heckler build a crowd, and mattress, looks and goes, I guess, question and just pull them off too. I was like, what are you doing? What was your technique? It's all good. That was like Andrews, not answering the question. I have the answer. I, I will purposely not answer, some people's question when I do open air because it gets their voice louder. And that's what I wanna get. So I like ignore certain questions. I'm ignoring the question was like, well, I can answer that for you. It's like dude I was working on it for like ten minutes. Yeah. Let me figured out. Work. We okay good. You know, and that's okay. It's people wanna help. There's a saying that Bill mckeever introduced me to Bill mckeever, the founder and director of Mormonism research ministry. But our Bill says eight you clean your own fish. If you're talking to somebody don't go jumping in their conversation. It's rude. A lot of excitement there. There's a lot of energy going there. There's a lot of confusion and things like that, that, just what it is. You know, nothing's perfect and people make mistakes. I certainly have others. Have, you know so, but it's a good witnessing environment. It really is. You know, one of the things I like about Mantar is you. And I both worked on a book called Sharon good news with Mormons, which is now out for one year, and it's twenty four different people. You and I are two of the twenty four authors with twenty four different tactics. Different ways of sharing the gospel with with Mormons. I should say churches, grace, Lardy saints. I should say because we're not suppose they don't wanna be Mormon anyway, got new revelation. They're again, they're going to change name their choir. But we end up seeing is. When you go to Mantar you get to see really what we see in that book, sharing the news, Mormons, because there's all these different people doing different things last year, I saw, and that was the first time I've ever seen this. There was people that actually I saw a couple of things that we're first time, there was a girl who was watching different people do different ways of sharing the gospel. She just put a little sign out that said you get candy if you can sit against the wall for three minutes, and she's or pole and you had to stand on a right angle, and she would have all these teenagers just trying to sit there in and stay for three minutes. Get a piece of candy and she had them for three minutes to sharing the gospel with them talking about how you know. You know they're trying to hold themselves up by their own standard and it doesn't work. It's better to Technica show you using one day because there was this grass area, and you had a guy in a headlock, and you're this little New Testament, you're trying to shove it down his thrive ever. Something that, okay? First off, I, I wouldn't do a headlock. It would be a chokehold second off mental. Yeah. That was the fundamentals. We, we actually get people who come out there that are they too will claim their Mormon of Angelides in the Mormons. We get the fundamentalists. So what are the differences with some of the fundamentalists and what we only think of with Mormons. Well, there's even more than groups. There's over a hundred different groups that used to book of Mormon and offshoots of Mormonism. So you'll find that are group's. And then you got to figure out what it is that particular group holds too and, and it doesn't make it onto figure things out there some odd groups around there as well. It really is a great with environment. For those of you who might be interested in attending, you know, you can meet you in Salt Lake you know, we could arrange things on the way down there to Mantar, but it is a great environment just picture Christians from all over that you've never seen before, and you're talking to them, or just listening to them, and they're doing things in a way that you might not consider as being appropriate for yourself or which had a thought of it that way. It just there's the gambit is there and it is a commodity. Right away with Christians. And, you know, I it's really neat. It really is. So if you wanna go. There was someone we're mentioning ally. Mentioned the book tactics, and Greg cocoa runs a ministry called stand to reason they had someone out last year, and who came out and did son. I was the first time I had seen this that what, what she did was just 'cause like I was saying, there's so many different people with different different ideas. So the person's Amy hall from Stanford, and what she did was just put a board just a whiteboard like. The big kind of like a cork board type thing with post its, and it was just give the reasons why you hold to which won't said, atheist, one said, Mormon. And just be were writing reasons. And as they would write the reason they stopped to, to write down why they're Mormon or why they're atheist and as they're writing it. She has time to see what they're writing and interact with it. She just gets them to stop and really, it was a form of voting of which one is more whether eighth Theus, or, or Mormon, and she really didn't care, which one whichever side, there, she was going to witness to either one of them, and it was just funny to watch how how she did that. And she came up with the wall, shoot down there. She's watching everybody and said, I wanna do something different. And that's the thing I like the most about being down. There is seeing the different ways people will will as you met hold a sign and you just walk around with a sign and start conversations. The sign is, is Mormonism Christian, and it's a big sign and is Christian dot com. Excuse me dot com. And it just takes you to the website is at the best way. I don't. I don't know. Is it not the best way? I don't know. Is it a different way? Yeah. It's different way. But, you know, several people will hold up these signs. And, and these things are readable from a thousand feet away. And so you, can, you know, that, that people are going to be going home later and just looking that up because I don't wanna talk anybody. So it's just it's just a not I'm not saying it's a better way. It's just another way that people witness out there. And, and so I was mentioning the fundamental Mormons and Charlie put a link here. The, the fundamentalist far those that still believe in polygamy. They believed that the Mormon church went awry by changing from polygamy, and I have met some of the folks there that with their multiple wives. Also, you do see that out there was a multiple life. Once. I'm waiting for this Eli, I'm, I'm waiting. Face face. What? Smith married. Like twenty six women. And so one did this several years, they would ask for women to dress in period attire, and where a sign saying, which wife of Joseph, they were. And they worked at talk to anybody. They just sat there and more come up and see, like twenty six women of varying ages. They try to kind of coordinate represented, you know, and this woman was this old that this young tried to do that it was very effective and the Mormons were very offended by it. Well offended because several of his Joseph Smith's wives were young teenagers. You got that, right. There was some of his wives were already married. Some of his wives were sisters there are there is one who is married to someone. He married the sister, and then married the married sister. So, yeah, there were he you know, he had very young wives. He had other people's wives. Now, one of the things that really's been hurting the Mormon church, I think, is something called the internet. Yeah. Darn the internet Bill and I talked Bill mckeever night talked about this. He noticed that about ninety six ninety six ninety seven year two after unit really became the internet that they started having problems with the Mormon in the Mormon church. In fact, there's a new phenomena out which I need to do. More research is called the new Mormonism and not show official category. But it's been hearings have been called in a new Mormonism is arising out of the problem that the internet and facts have caused so the book of Mormon has been changed. The doctrine code as has been altered, the archaeological evidence for Mormonism is just not there the documents legal documents against various prophets. You know, are there various things that are really problematic for Mormonism the, the mountain meadows massacre issue? Which I went two hundred fiftieth anniversary where it was where the Mormons killed over one hundred and twenty went men, women children murdered them that's another story, but nevertheless. Don't forget, much thought. Okay. So we're talking about the internet because we're talking to multiple wives and how that's really hurt. Yeah. So the new Mormonism and so what they're doing now is saying that the book of Mormon, these various things, they're not meant really necessarily to be all that archaeologically starkly accurate. But they are used by God to get you to feel his presence and are used as a door to truth, the spiritual round. So we have to worry about all the facts and contradictory information anymore. You just have to worry about that burning in your bosom burning in the most I called. You have the same situation. I, I don't wanna bring the conversation to the issue of methodology, but you have some Mormons actually using a this is. I think I direct response to the lack of evidence or contradictory evidence is there. They are using a sort of presupposition approach in which, you know, you can't just point to the evidence because they have their interpretive grid and someone speaking with Mormons, you'd kinda have to use a presupposition approach them 'cause appointing specifics just going to interpret it might of their, their ultimate commitment. So you want to be sensitive to that. Otherwise, you kind of run the same risk of talking with some atheist for you, just, you know, you're just piling evidence verse your evidence versus evidence, and it's just a never ending saga of comparing, who has the most will the internet really has. I mean, we is really done a lot damage to Mormon church, you, you have they used to deny Joseph Smith's, otherwise. As many of them, especially the younger ones, and other people's the ones that were married the internet revealed. That's now that's out there. There's things like the, there's a book of Abraham where Joseph Smith, Sposa got these plates that are these hieroglyphics, and he interpreted it, and then we found a Rosetta Stone we realized he didn't translator should say. And we now know he didn't translate correctly. But one thing that is interesting. And I don't know if you if you know this map at Mormonism actually helped to form the internet, the way it is today, you, you wear that story with Santana, okay. Now I gotta hear this. Oh, you. Okay. So Sandra Tanner when she talks, she has talked in her testimony on that on the when we went on that apologize, crews, she was actually, the Mormon church was so upset with her. And her husband Gerald, that they were doing all this research on Mormonism, and they had to Moore. This is a day before the internet, you had to go into libraries, and they'd go and get these documents and make copies of them, and then they would have to basically run off copies of copies to produce their stuff. And when the internet came out, they had put a link to someone who had released put basically, the manual of, of what goes on in the temple ceremonies, and they had a manual and this person, put it up there, but that was copyrighted material. They were so upset with the tenors the tenors had a link being a bigger a bigger website, people went to ten or site. And from there found this link to the manual will the Mormon church sued Gerald, Sandra Tanner for having the link. And so the question came down is were, they were sponsoring for the in. Information that they linked to or not. And this really would've changed the, the internet, if they went the other way they sided with the tanners and said the tenors are now responsible because they didn't put it up. And therefore they were able to keep the link-up and the person responsible is the one that put it up on the internet. But had they had the Mormon church one. You think about it. Math think about all the links you have on Karm dot org, you would be responsible for everything that you link out there. You put anything you put a link up there. Someone could change that underneath it, and you could be responsible for what they did. You think on a website like Karm. There's no way you'd be able to track all of those links, so it, it would have radically changed the way the internet ended up happening because we wouldn't people would be less likely to put links to other sites up, and that was all because the Mormon church suit tanners, because it's something that someone else put up. Well, yeah, but they, they wanted to get the tanners the Mormon church wanted to put a stop to the tanners because the, the town is doing such damage to the Mormon church, just by the truth. You know they did a great job. They did a great job. Yeah, I know you're books are packed. I'm looking to find where mine is. But there's a book about yo thick probably about, I think two maybe three inches metal. No, which book, I'm referring to me, it's one or two inches. It's, it's a book that has the almost four thousand changes in Mormonism four thousand. Eight hundred four four thousand three hundred nineteen changes. The book of Mormon why is that significant? The book of Mormons plus the most. It history, the church fund the Mormonism in the history of the church. That's their seven volume set history, volume four four sixty one the book of Mormon is the most creek book of any book on earth at a man could get closer to the precepts of God by following it by any other book on the book has been changed. What Santer told me she? And her husband Gerald did was they had an original book of Mormon off the Pratt hot off the press. You know, the regional one not a copy of the regional the original. And so I actually have held an original also an original ritual, the first printing of actually held one of my hand. But anyway, so what they did was they, I think, either she read or he's read the regional, whatever and one would read the original word for word and they had gone to mimeographed the entire current book of Mormon for the year that did the sun. And the seventies, I think it was ladies and then they circled all. The changes and three thousand hundred thirteen changes. That's what it is the book of Mormon and I will use that pretty effectively to be able to refute Mormonism. But yeah, it's worth getting. You can get it off their, their website. Utah. Lighthouse ministry. We're gonna I'm gonna put it up right here. So folks can see this on camera for those three hundred three thousand nine hundred thirteen changes in the book, Mormon and this will give you an idea for those watching on the video. If you can see this is it. Is that right? Goes this way, right? Yeah. So you can see what they actually had to do as mimeograph. And they write notes in there of all the changes this isn't a book. That was the importance of reason, his so amazing because the, the book of Mormon was after the printing press wise, that's important, there should not have been once they had one copy that Joseph Smith. Translated. There would never have been a need to do any other changes if it is the most accurate book that ever was. And so when you have a copy when you're making a handwritten copy from another manuscript you can copy it and make a mistake. But when you do this, with a book of Mormon that is after the printing press, and you're keeping an accurate, you only have to get one and once you have that mimeograph, you can run off, as many as you need, and they're always going to be the same. So the fact that there were changes shows that it's ROY. Wrong, when it says it is the most accurate book that there is because it clearly wasn't accurate. They needed to make changes. But there's been changes since they did that. Yes. Let's see this was the trustee. If it says, which what the twos were. So this was the reprint of the eighteen thirty addition of the book of Mormon so Transi with the other year was, I guess. That's right. They McGrath xeroxed off, whatever you wanna call it the original. And then. Yeah. Wrote an on that. That's right. And it is so valuable what I'll do is carry my New Testament Greek New Testament with the actually this is sort of California Ludo, fared. Idaho doesn't happen. Switch it in my trunk of my car. But down there, I did all the time, and I would I had a book of Mormon that, you know, Ilford up like you know normally this way, I moved to sideways and I put tabs across the pages one, God, married Myrna virgin, the trinity justification or salvation by grace, you know, various things, and it would have that, and it would also have the Greek New Testament and defeat thousand nine hundred thirteen changes the book of Mormon and between those three, I was told that destroyed a lot of Mormon testimonies, and, you know, with the facts, I'm, I'm actually excited, maybe I shouldn't mention this on air because someone will get the. Word back those those trolls will probably get word back. But I actually have Mormon missionaries coming to visit of so excited met, we I have been on the you're not allowed to go. Visit list for a very long time. I remember when I came out to Idaho, and they had the temple opening up by you. One of the guys I forget, who it was soon as I got there, I think it was Cameron that said within me being there. Five minutes they were taking a photo of me. And when, when I went to tour it just Arturo told where a silent tour, no questions are allowed to be asked. So they, they had me pegged right from the beginning. But they, I I'm like type actually whenever I move, I write them, the Mormon church and I request the book of Mormon that used to send a missionary and my last house, they'd inside the missionary. They just sent a bible when I moved to the house from in now nothing when I've gone out to Utah. Every time I go to Utah requests. Mormon missionaries to visit. And I get nothing. So I'm really excited. They're going to they're going to send three Mormon missionaries to come. Visit me. I can't wait. Gods? I think it's, it's a good opportunity. I I don't get visited. I don't know why they don't have it made it chose witnesses, don't come. Visit me. Yeah. I know why the Jehovah witnesses don't visit me. But I can I can tell you what you should do if you want them to visit, you met you have that picture of yourself on your front door, take that down. It's scares the neighbors. That is true. That's why your house has so many people only at Halloween thinking, true, an e life facemask, stand out there and see how that were then you're gonna have people. You're gonna have people all the ladies are gonna be pounding on your door. Yeah. Something's going to happen. You know, maybe my wife, I pay more attention to me, who knows actually know your wife isn't even going to enter the house. She's just going to be standing outside staring at the front door. Oh boy. Now. She's gonna go. I can look at this out side are going and look at that I'll stay out here. I'll stay cold. So, but yeah, I mean there's a reason that the they don't like visiting people that actually know things and it's interesting, there's someone in the chat who's mentioning how the Jove witnesses are trying to make a comeback. Have you noticed the new tactics that Jove witnesses have been doing that? Because they, they don't out city. No, they don't go. They don't go to homes anymore so much they set up, as you know, you, you'll remember this when we went to Dallas they set up in, in the airports, places like that, and they do not talk to anybody who wants to engage with them. That actually knows anything. They're just like, oh, no. We're just here to give him information. They totally they're now being trained not to answer us at all. They just cut us off all together. You know, the question I have the jobs witnesses. Why do your buildings have no windows? Why do you not want the light to get writer? I always say that with, with abortion clinics Andrew Andrew, who says he's got a question for us. Actually, he said, let me in LL. All right. That was in relation to the face mask on the dole. Oh, you want to. Andrew ask two and a half smart people here. I actually do have a question, not a question as such but I just like myself camera two. It's gonna say the maturity on the other ones that are trying to change. The book say the Scientology has apparently tried to redoing of they've oaks. Twelve interesting on the basis on a big fan of the Bank, Mr Bigan Billy Shany's, actually not, which is. Subscribe isis. But yeah, it's kind of interesting to, to that all this religion, the subway having to change the books and also gonna say, I was visited about. Oh, about a month ago by to join it'll be witnesses. Missionaries and they came to my out of my said he have this income to always will come back into month that was about two months ago. Is that AUSSIE month so that different done the United States, months? As in this thing. But like I came out like a month ago that was Andrew Andrew, that was Matt's. Really, really, really bad attempt of a joke. It just just move on with it. Just just he tries a forever. Okay. He tried. I recognize it's pretty good. I missed the title. Yeah. Yeah. Well. It's AUSSIE humor or American humor never mind. See, he's just too two. And Andrew remember that Matt said there were only two and a half smart people. Well he, he thought you were half and Eli, and I were the smart ones, and he doesn't even care. And you will. Well, clearly you just prove that raw. Some lady, isn't it? All of. Because you're keeping. Why? She's keeping an eye out for all the troll. She's booting. I was gonna add that's the two and a half. Is that is that his age or intellect? I. At eight intellect and you guys are all dumbing it down for me. So I just have great gercy in, you know, Biblically just submitting to you guys. Husband. Well, yeah, yeah, but you guys on our social up. Okay. Honest level. Yeah. Osha level. Mm into losers. We got someone that came in. We got about maybe ten minutes left. I'm gonna add in. K D. Yeah, we're gonna see less than more than a couple of seconds, so kitty. You can K D, not Katie K D. You can on meet yourself. Let me see if I go, I'm you too. You can ask your question. Oh, I didn't have a specific question. I didn't realize that I was asking specific question that's on here last week. I just came into what you guys this week. I just I like man all the people here. So I just came here to watch Al. We. You must have a bad bed sense of judgment. If you like met Andy other people here, he said, notice that. That's pretty funny. Things last week, if you wanna make fun of him and through, I can help you do that. This was God for instance now historical. He was back then. But he wasn't. Me there's something else. I said that I knew I told them, I told them I was in jail for preaching the gospel one night. And so I was singing hymns in Hebrew, so I wouldn't be in a bad mood. I was trying to, you know, not be depressed. And he said, why are you singing in Hebrew? And I said, you know, is there some wrong with Hebrew? What's your problem, you know? So what did I say interesting, and then the whole week, every time somebody asked me about it, they said, yeah, Matt wasn't willing to put up the video to it. So nobody got to see it. It's up. I did put it not take it up or not put whatever it's, it's there didn't do anything to it, but I was in Hebrew sing in English. So they could understand you vandalism. I knew I could say that the video is up because I, I needed the video to get the audio for the podcast that that'll drop guess, tomorrow, I think tomorrow drops, but yeah, the, the video is up there now. No sense. Matt the. Pala just doesn't know about other faiths. He doesn't know that messianic will sing in Hebrew, and then the next course will be an English, although he didn't know that. And so, you know. And understand that I love you. I wouldn't come here and poke fun at you. If I didn't love you, but no, I don't have a specific question. So if you have better things to get to certainly. We, we could point out once again, that met has some troubles understand some things. He just said, he stands corrected, but everybody can see that he is sitting. I am. So. You know so show is that you as the president there on your on your profile. Yeah. That was shot at the Ronald Reagan library, so you can see Jimmy Carter say with me. I'm fine to teach them the gospel, you know, 'cause he's out there in the left. Because he doesn't know the gospel. You may know a lot about peanuts, but not the gospel, and the reason I did that was I, I was wearing a t shirt with the with the casino on it. And I thought, if I if I go live and my, my camera goes live someone's going to make fun of me for the casino t shirt, so, and I don't actually go to casinos, I was just wearing an old t-shirt. All right. Well, I haven't I actually having chance to listen to last week. But I'm sure that I probably should do some editing. I was told because like the first the episode that just dropped I didn't have I didn't have a chance in the Philippines to do all the editing. I just tried to put it up and I was late. And so I just was in a rush and you know, Matt was pretty good twenty thirty minutes on. So what do I do here? I'm a I'm a tech. I'm a IT tech, but I kick it this to work. Hey, anyone can you get this link to work? It was it was radio weird. Well, it's beat up on that night. All right. I'm here. I missed like four weeks of beat up on that. This is this is my therapy. We discovered I tell you before we started the show, very unusual happened in that. I would if I did the show under one account, we had all kinds of problems for the show under different log in account. They're all the problems went away, and it took a while to figure that out. It was it was weird. We computer ticket HP for five years, and we would every now and then get together talk about these anomalies that we couldn't figure out that just didn't make any sense that would have been one of. By the way. By the way. Hello cat. Be love. Yeah. Hope you have a great evening. Hero stick to paint. Do she a? She had a busy evening early on. She was kicking out the trolls with us. Oh, wow. Them out, too. Three separate windows. Open for three separate locations. Just juggle them all their crazy, Mr., Mr.. KT KT online says that I was making up for lost time. That's why. Well, yeah, I was on my own server, and people just kept coming in, and telling me whether run person I am so, you know, I guess that's why set up the server isn't it so that you could tell me what, you know how horrible I am. Warfare means you're doing great things the word up. All right. Well, we got about seven minutes left in the show met any, any new articles you're working on for Karm at the moment. No, I'm just trying to catch up on some things are hopefully going to be some changes Karm. And so I'm prepping for some of those hopefully, we'll see what happens later sip. We're hoping some news, some changes. Match going to be replaced by a cat. Yeah. It'll improvement. I love you mad. Don't take curiously unless I say I love you, Matt. No problem. No. There's there's, there's gonna be some changes, Andrew, and I have spent a lot of hours clocking about a lot of stuff. And let me let me because you brought that up Andrew elected just say to people that, that Karm has actually. Don't know this, but the server crashed on Karm three years ago today today is, is it's the June sixth and it crashed. We've not recovered from it. And there's been a lot of issues, a lot of things and I'm actually very distracted and trying to focus as you even as I'm going through here because of the conversations at Andrew. I've had nothing against Andrew, all, but there's a lot happening and it's very difficult for me sometimes to say focus is just a lot happening and. Like I think you're, you're planning on working on some articles on NPR, if a lotta I wanna do is once stays kind of get back in place is finish up a section on slavery, because it's, it's not a very big section but it's kinda necessary and then jump into an A R new episode information because that's just going to be a long huge project is not going to be an easy one. Is this too much? Yeah. Actually, that's how we kind of started this show talking about Justin, I Philippines to deal within a are because it is that is unfortunately, the branch, quote, unquote Christianity, that is putting across the world and very, very popular right now in Africa surprised how popular in the Philippines, but that's really what we're seeing in a lot of places and is a very dangerous. I said this at the at the conference met be curious if you agree, I, I was arguing. That Eeyore in word of faith is more dangerous than Islam or Catholicism or Mormonism, because Mormonism has left. Drove witnesses have left Christianity made it clear that they were separate that. They say we don't have the gospel, and they, they have it, but any are were to faith there. Still within Christianity, trying to recruit from within Christianity. They haven't separated, and that's why I think they're more dangerous to you agree or or have a different view. I don't know. I wouldn't disagree, but I don't know if I would agree, but I but I'm not disagreeing either because what you're doing is you're putting your finger on the pulse of the danger. The danger of apostasy from within now I've read some deeply read some NAR material written by some of their authors. And I'm gotta tell you. There's a lot of good in a lot of what they say. And that, that's a fact and some of. Argumentation is quite good. And I could even learn a few things from some of the things that they're saying in the way, the genes, look, and put things together as you check. Yeah, that's consistent. So there's a lot of good. Well, it's the issue of the miracles is the issue of the submission of the gospel. It's the issue of present day, revelation to profits and apostles today in a power control area and this can affect a whole bunch of areas. NAR is huge and it one statement doesn't cover it all. So it's certainly has the potential of, of destroying the, the true gospel from within now I I let me clear for folks. They don't jump off on, on what you said, in and taken out of context. So we have it on the freker lease. There are things you can learn from them, because of the fact that even false teachers are going to tell enough truth to make it believable to make it something that you're going to buy into so not everything that you're gonna hear an NA or church or something like that are is going to be false. Not everything. But it's going to be the, the things that you are gonna see their false are going to be the distraction to pull you away from scripture to pull you away from really the things of God. And so I'm just gonna mute e because we're getting feedback from sorry. Dude, but Andrews asking about hill song. And I, I would say, you know, if you listen to if you listen Sunday's going to drop Andrew rep which rep report, if you search for that you're gonna see Justin an I we're gonna talk about health song. Why it's so dangerous why Jesus culture so dangerous. It's not that the, the music some of the lyrics are good, some of the lyrics could sink to my wife, and there would be no big deal. It's it literally could be sung to a boyfriend girlfriend. But there's some lyrics that are heretical. And when you you get those some that are good. And then you start following them. And they use the music as the hook to bring you in. That's when they pull you into their coal. And yes, I said, it's a cult, I haven't I have an episode on rap report with Amy Spearman, we go through it even shocked her because I let her explain what it was. And then I went from my book, what do they believe I defined a Colt. And I asked her, whether it fit the definition one by one. She ended up agreeing, the s the or is a cult so stainless, it is so with that we're gonna we're gonna close that we, you know, we didn't do that. We'll go quick plug for my pillow, we see we've been out of the at a six so long our sponsor, they sponsors the, the Mets lick live, which can listen to Monday through Friday and you can go to dot org to get the times, and then the phone number to call in, but Mets like live is a radio show that, that Matt does with Karm and we have one of their sponsors with my pillow, great pillow. And if you're interested in picking up, you can call one eight hundred nine four four five three nine. Nine six tell them you heard about it on politics live. We would appreciate that, though. We don't actually get a kickback for it. But, but, you know. Might pill. Well, I'm not saying this because they help support heck. I used that thing. I love that thing. It is the pillow. I sleep with. I took mine to the Philippines. Yeah, I'd go I'd take. Yeah. It is it, I use it for years. I love it. So it's not just that we're saying, oh, get it because they support Carmen met. No, it's because his great pillow I love it. And I am trying to get the president of my pillow on he. He is professing believer. He came from a alcoholic background, and he he's got a testimony that he is now sharing publicly which is very interesting. He's a big supporter of prolife ministries gave a million dollars to some prolif- Misha's. That's got into a lot of heat with the leftist. But hey. So understanding and, and fairness, the left is just I'm gonna, I'm gonna be doing a podcast, I think soon met on with some called green terrorism, or what I call economic terrorism because that's what we see, we see Georgia passes a Bill that Hollywood doesn't like and it's like we're going to hurt you financially. If you don't do what we say, they'll yet is what it is everyone lives in fear of losing their job or losing business. If they don't agree with things that certain people say must be agreed to terrorism Asian. They weaponize their position they often is that if you don't agree with their liberalism. This is it's a form of copy of actually of oppressiveness of Marxism totalitarianism, and it's a form of, of terrorism because of the fact that you live in fear of not being you could see this when he always thought it interesting when Barack Obama was president. Criticize Barack Obama. It was like they lowered their force because they didn't want to be overheard. Criticizing. Now when you hear people talk about Trump, even if they want to say something good. It's amazing how people have to I say. Well, I don't agree with everything. He says, I never heard anyone say that with Brock Obama, no supporter of Brock Obama. Did I ever hear them say, why don't agree with everything he says, but and they were and you could be assaulted yet. Whether it was guy that. Yeah. Bitter Hatcher stolen, people are salted why they wear a hat. But you know what? I saw. I saw a guy in the Philippines with a make America great. That was like, okay great. You can wear that here without for your you can't do that in America. But. Ricca folks hope that you enjoy if you wanna listen to the to this, this, these episodes become a podcast, that you can download just it's politics live. It'll be automatically downloaded to whatever podcast app. You have. Just search for politics, live subscribe for free, and it'll download automatically if you have it set up that way and you can listen every week as we drop a new episode the one that's going to be coming out next will be one that with Dr Anthony Sylvestre, who is on Mets radio station today. 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Christmas: Hills, Valleys, Joy, and Happiness

Legacy-Dads Podcast

23:22 min | 1 year ago

Christmas: Hills, Valleys, Joy, and Happiness

"It are you struggling to balance your modern life and your faith you're in the right place is welcome to the Legacy Dad's podcast with Lance Dante offering biblical based wisdom. Weekly of what truly works in men's lives the legacy I guess he dad's podcast. Real men. Authentic faith here your host of the legacy data podcast. There are authentic transparent and not always politically correct Lanson Dante. Everyone Dante Lancer Legacy Dad's a Just want to wish everybody just very merry Christmas and a happy New Year We've been trying to coordinate with each other and just really get into a rhythm and as far as recording but you know in two different continents two different time zones. It can be really difficult when we're stuck in the most wonderful time of the year hustle and bustle and all the things that go with it. Sometimes you know in the hills and valleys in life we really just get to realize what this is all about about who this is all about before we get going legacy dads is your weekly dose of Biblical manhood. The podcast is for men husbands and fathers in all stages of life where we promote and advocate a the true biblical principles for leaving in a godly legacy. I gotTa admit that was kind of cheesy. Yeah let's not. Let's not dance at all. Let's start that over the epic failure failure. Yeah aw so okay. We're talking about Hilton Hills and valleys. It was invalid. So how do you want to start this thing. Good point you brought this up I I saw so I'm scrolling through instagram rate. And I'm seeing people. People like posting these pictures like yeah. This year is rough. You know maybe next year will be better and so I think you know we get into that point where it's easy and I think you know this time of year especially people get down 'cause they realize like okay. It's the end of the year. I'm not where I wanted to be or had another year in the books and I didn't get to the place I wanted to be in this year. Or whatever or well it's the end of the euro already like word the time go type deal and I think we can kind of get into that mindset of like you know man I'm just You know I don't know what it there's I'm not where I want to be or this year. Is this kind of a ride. You know I'm going to write this year off because so much happened or broken relationships or You know whatever it may be I see a lot of that so I know people are kind of in that mood right now. in I don't know what he start this or what do you think i. I think that's the meat of it here. How about if I do this? You do a lot of hiking and when you get in a deep woods you know sometimes it just. It's like you're wondering. How long am I going through this forest? How long am I going through this terrain and and then if you ever take a helicopter like I remember when we went to New Zealand you you know? We flew over this forest that we were hiking with the day before and all of a sudden we go over the mountain and looking back down. That forest changed my entire perspective. You you know what I mean. And then Kinda set way into that and the hills and ballets and we need to maybe reset instead of looking at the trees right in front of US look at it. From God's perspective and and change like what we're looking at bad relationships bad job you know hills and ballets and maybe you're on top of the mountain maybe around that Hill Bill. Or maybe you're in that valley and you don't know what tomorrow is going to bring but why you know instead of sitting there and so focused inwardly an on our self. Let's focus on the on the a person for the season and that's a good point to bring up to and I think it's it's a question of two when we say when we say we're not in the place when we're supposed to be you know by by WHO's measurement. We try to say that God put us in this place by mistake. Because you know I'd have to ask the question is if you you are where you are because God wants you there then whys got put you in that place and I know that's hard for some people to understand. It's hard for me to understand sometimes too especially if you're going to trials in times of where it's You're dealing with issues a relationship propane in your life or whatever but you know. I'm a firm believer in that that God puts it's just in those in those situations for reason. Maybe he's trying to grow us. Maybe he's trying to prepare Harris for something. And you're absolutely right onto when you're when you're stuck in a draw you know trying to get through the thickets down in the woods It sucks and it would be easy to just say man. This sucks socks in life. Sucks and You know but but you can't see that as soon as you get through that spot you're gonNA come out and go up a hill and up into a clearing in there you're on the mountaintop up And I think that's the perspective maybe we need to start having with this is realizing that. Hey listen I'm I am right. We're God wants me right now. It may not make sense inst- to me but I need to stop comparing myself to to to the world of the coach or whatever you know. There's actually a great I think it was Paul Washer. Put out a great quote voted said. Stop comparing yourself to other Christians and compare yourself to scripture an. That's good advice to say if I'm where I'm at right now it's because God wants wants me right here. What can I learn in that situation and realize it's not always going to be this way You know things will get better. We just need to trust in God. I don't know so does that. Does that make sense don't they. I love IT I. That's it I mean that's exactly it right there you you just you hit the whole thing. That's it it guys. Five minute podcasts were done. I'm going to bring this up to you and I think it's it is so it's easy to so I know for some people if your if your way from loved ones or you've had Loved ones who've who've gone on to have it and they're no longer with us. It's easy depressed this time of year and and think of those times or think of loss and things like that and so. I think it's good in and this is just me this is this is something they do in therapy called cognitive behavioral therapy. which need to do is if you have negative Negative emotions or negative memories around Christmas around this time of the year. Then it's something you have to do is look at. How can I replace those negative memories of some some positive ones? And maybe she can do you can go out and you can serve the community Maybe you go out and you you help out in a in a homeless shelter maybe you go out and you you get into the mode of serving at your local church or something like that but but start doing things get things In like you said Dante stop focusing inward and we're done ourselves and change. How can I focus outward and I know for me when I feel like okay things in word right now are not where I wanted to be? Let me we need to focus outward and when I start focusing outward network that's when the inward starts getting clear and clear does that. Does that resonate is that makes sense with you. You're moving the junk out and you know I have. Somebody that really suffers chronically depr- chronic depression and medication for and just really has seasons and this is a really tough season for that person. But you know I ask him how you do it and he looked at me. He Goes Dante. It's not like you grab yourself by the boots pull yourself out of it. You know it just takes time ago. What do you do to combat it? And it's exactly what you just said you know. I've gotta get off myself. I gotta get out of the couch. I gotta get Outta this self loathing and just feel of worthlessness and I gotTa start focusing my attention on serving others and I said does that fix it and he goes not right away but it stops negative from building and it changes changes the narrative that this isn't about me it's about somebody else it's about God and it's about who he is in my life and that even when I go through some of these most was difficult times I know that it's for his glory and he moves me to that place. Were eventually I look back and I don't know when it happens but I'm out of that cycle and and I don't want to minimize anything you know if you've got medical conditions in you got you know morning. This is a time of the year that you lost a loved one. You Know My dad's September twenty. Sixteen eighteen thanksgiving gets really hard November December. But the idea is you know like you said Lance I could focus all Dan dad or I can sit there and smile and on sit there and look at these kids that not only did he get to meet but that. I'm making new memories. That he used to have memories with and that will all be together again in heaven. And that's the excitement is the fact that I focused on those things that I know by which are edifying and those things that are which are important and I know would be important to him too and so does he want me to sit there and just you know not live and versus being the man that he's called me to be or do I honor him by focusing on things outwardly versus inwardly. When I say under him I mean do I honor God and do what he's calling me to do? And that's to use it gifts in the talent and the ability to serve others and I think it's easy to we. We have to. We have to. We have to understand where our minds are were. Thoughts are in. It was funny. You just made me think this Dante when when you text me the other day Dante text me up today and I was like I was up at that point. I was like I was like we're done. We're not doing the podcast anymore wasted time. I'm tired of trying to make time for for this and my life. I'm mad because I'm back overseas. I'm not with my wife. I miss my family and I'm just like screw. Screw everything it's done and I I just I just got done like this high point. I just accomplished in my life my personal life. I just accomplished something that nobody else accomplish. And they're like everybody's but he's talking about this. Everybody's applauding these things that I just did my job and but inside me I was like screw it. I want to self destruct like I want to just just throw it all away because I was frustrated for how I felt. That was just my emotions and my feelings in the moment and I was kind of joking. Dante's said text me tomorrow and it'll probably be a different. It'll be a different answer but right. That's Matt Right now. That's right now and you know it's hard to and the thing about Atlanta. I love that segues because you know if we let our emotions ruler decisions. I want you guys to think about that if I let my emotions at any point one of the day rule my decisions do you guys like here. Any kind of red flag warnings and alarms going off is that good for me to do is at dangerous for me to do. I mean if I'm sitting there and I'm stuck on a situation whether it be a job whether it be you know something I'm related ministry You know in the community and wherever and I'm letting that define my situation and let the emotions rule over me I I. I'd I'd see you're having your eaten too much soy getting too much estrogen under blood blood but reality so lance. I mean think about some guys that we know that just sit there and are just directed by emotion enjoyed how how many guys jump into a farewell. I don't you know wife that I've been married to for twenty two years. I don't love you anymore. I don't feel like I love you anymore. Well Good Luck luck with that but you said you took about a god you know I will marry you through you know through good through bad through sickness. Ralph you made a vow and how how many of us you know based on emotion because all of a sudden something is new and shiny and feels right we we make these decisions than I think. Somehow we we forget that this whole purpose on this Earth is but a vapor mist and to do for the glory of God and I think we need to do like you know that whole perspective perspective of that helicopter ride is get out of the forest get Outta the thick. Look at it from God's view and you see that mountain top. You're not there right now. You're not on top of that hill. Oh but that God's got that for you and he's moving into that place you know it doesn't mean that it's prosperity. I'm not talking that it doesn't mean it's at but it's a blessing that he he has for you and you just need to submit to his will to his way and let's I was thinking about nothing you said earlier. You know as far as like where he has this. Maybe maybe he had going to these places that we're currently at but maybe we didn't wait on him. Maybe we didn't submit. Maybe we busted through a door and quit a job that God were actually one sustain and it's not just. We're not going to be where God wants us to be. But maybe just for. Now you're in this situation because of some rash decision emotional decision Asian you made and you're kinda wondering and instead of just seeking that I'm GonNa do even more destruction or devastation. No this time. I'm going to do a ride on a humble myself before God I'm going to ask for his his his gleaning and to figure out where he wants to go. And that's the thing is when all of a sudden word in these valleys that we can look up to God. We can sit there and say Lord I'm hurting. I'm in trial tribulation. I'm in Lawson suffering but I'm gonNA give you glory. I'm GONNA find my joy in you even in the storm of cancer even in this dead end job even in these situations at I don't think in my life till will ever prove but I'm GonNa give you the glory so so you bring up a good point that Dante where And I think when we let emotions rule us we can sometimes confuse joy and happiness. Yes and you know that it'd be a good point in and wanted to you. Want to unpack that a little bit and explain to listeners. What is the difference between joy and happiness? Yeah happiness is leading. I mean you know you're happy when you get an Anna test. You're happy when you get that ice cream. You're a happy when you get that. Raise your happy when you know the desired outcome that you want it. It's a natural emotion. I mean God has given us these emotions that are there for his purpose and so there's nothing wrong with all. I shouldn't be happy. You know embrace your feelings embrace these emotions that God's giving you don't let them rule you but true joy joy that we're talking about the difference between joined happiness is my relationship with the Lord I mean think about in scripture for the joy of the Lord is my strength you know the joy of the Lord is is my inner being my my. My complete contentment might knowledge knowledge of who the Creator is in my life. And it's finding that that when you find that joy when you find that joy in the spirit in the word of life when you're submitting to the word you're reporting the word you know there's this joy overcomes you know when when I was diagnosed with malignant melanoma when my house when my wife was in six days in the hospital joy that I'm communing with the Creator of Heaven and earth because he gave me a son to fill that bridge that I can have this community unity with him and and it's those times that the joy that I haven't him you know Lord Sandwich Right now With a cancer answer I WANNA I don't Wanna eat it but you know okay. It's happening for a reason. You know this this job situation or this year my wife the hospital but for Your glory not for mining and the hard part is letting go of the circumstances that were stuck in because happiness is going to be for moment joy is going to be for an eternity. Yeah and I think you know one thing you you made me think Dante was that happiness is really it's a quick shot of adrenaline endorphins. In the moment where were joy choi is a choice joys a choice in your choosing to glorify God you're choosing to say in what the circumstances nine nine might now be to where I'm happy right now but I'm still going to be joyful joyful For where I'm at and what's what's going on right now and I think that's that's a choice sits a conscious decision. You have to make say you know what I can look at this one or two ways and I heard somebody somebody really wise once told me they said you can't control what happens to you. The only thing you can control is how you react to that. Well how do you are. You GonNa be joyful or you're going to get angry. Are you going to do you know. Look at this as as a setback or an opportunity. And you're the one that has the control over that to decide that and I think that's what it is choosing to be joyful I. It's a choice that we make in saying. I don't no cure circumstances tools that may come on Satan on. I'll take whatever you got. I'M GONNA choose to be joyful because I know who god is and I know what he's done for me and that's just the choices GonNa make but we have to make that choice. Does that make sense. Yeah I just found this one quarter. I'm trying to figure out who the author is but I love it. It says when we experience dance joy we achieve selflessness to the point of personal sacrifice and and putting that in perspective so happiness penis is an emotion joyous something that is so much deeper so much stronger and when you put it related to the word of God God the Creator you know the father the son and the Holy Spirit are it takes on a whole attornal new meaning and it's funny. It's funny thing about this team. Maybe this Dante where I been in some of the worst conditions conditions imaginable but but being filled with joy and actually laughing about the situation Even though the situation that that I'm in is like you know by most standards is pretty horrific or or physically Trying or whatever it may be but it's just that choice nice to have that that that choosing joy in that situation where you say yeah you know what there's nothing I can do about this and The only thing I can do is choose to be joyful and kind of laugh about it And and that has a positive impact on. I'll tell you that being over here in Africa and work in the world's you'll see some of the most joyous people living in just in in nothing they don't have the material things we have they. They are barely surviving day to day. But they're choosing to be joyous. They have a smile on their face every morning. And they're kind hospitable people if they have only have one chicken and you come to their house. They'll give you the whole chicken because they're choosing joy over happiness and and I think I honestly think it's something you have to get into your heart and you have to make a conscious decision to be joyful. Does that make sense Dante. And what better way to segue way into the season that we're in into our listeners. I mean we had a god who loved us so much that he sent his son to be born of a virgin to live on this earth for three years to walk in Ministry to heal the lame to restore sight to the blind to raise the or the dead to living and then to die. Not for anything that he did but for our sins because he wanted us away to be back in community with his father and what a better way to sit there and say if I can sit there and look at somebody that you know is the king of kings and the Lord of Lords and he put on a situation that that was no one else could do into taking the punishment that was deserved for me and my sin. And where are that. Where's my joy and my joy today is is in Jesus Christ for what he's done for me and knowing that a babe in a manger if he will that he could have been prompted in the king of kings of all the earth and had anything that he wanted but he chose to come in lowly because he wanted to be humble in spirit as has his father's will and that's the thing is folks were inherent? Were trying to figure out credit card bills in this gift in that latest Gadget Unilat- you tell a story about Africa. India and Argentina in some of the deepest areas of poverty that I've seen in walk through and talk through you. Bring a ball Paul and a stick or a box and you give that to those little kids and you might as well have taken him to like you know on on a parade day and giving them a carte launch. macy's is how excited and how much joy these kids have because they want your time and they want the idea that you care about them than that you're there versus what. This gift is fleeting that they could care less about and that it's amazing just to see and I look around and just as a reminder of me of the Technology Balaji and all the devices that we have that just suck us away from finding those joyful moments that we can just be so appreciative for Gab. Selena I would say wrap this thing up guys. We're just telling you it's the Christmas season so choose joy. Choose joy this Christmas season turn. The phones owns off. Turn the TV's off spend time with people spend time with your family Spend time you know reach out and be extra friendly to people on the streets people in stores people people in Your Church people in your neighborhood and just choose joy this season. That's that's the bottom line. We're trying to tell you and I'll tell you From me and Dante thank you so much for your support from this last year And I'll tell you going out on a limb here but I'll say it doesn't matter what denomination you are. We love you. It doesn't matter what political party you are. That's a sign. We still love you. We I love you guys. No matter what we WANNA thank you so much for your support that was like God. That was a good thing right there and we got a show. Now we have a shutout lance does for Dante now that was because I brought the political thing. Oh Yeah don't give you out. We've got a shoutout to walnuts to Torello own our keep the frozen p bags going. You can do this. You're GONNA make it. It'll get better. Yep We've all been there. It's fine you're going to get through this thing and think of all the money you're going to save on the back end. Sorry sorry that was totally inappropriate. Merry Christmas guys will love you. Thanks for all your support. Ah Continue spotify instagram and facebook Serious guys thank you guys have a merry Christmas. Spend time with your families soon. Take Care and God bless. Thanks so much for listening to this episode of the legacy. 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Practical Atheism

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Practical Atheism

"This creature from the dirt. Divide. The everlasting holy gun scripture is. It is sanctified set apart for any and all other writings that we have ever had, and will ever exist self esteem. That is a satanic idea. You're not as important as you think you are. If. You have no desire to know who god his then can you even be sure that he knows you? The Gates of hell itself or the corona virus itself will not stand against Jesus building was. This is what's wrong with the Christian Church today. We don't know who god is. Janice? One man Jew and gentile bond and free one. There is no race in price Jesus. Van needs to be your product that that man might. Cling to its were. Give us. Some preachers are tripping over there skirt to get into the bullpen. What's wrong with? This is matter of theology. The place where theology matters because everything is a matter of theology. I'm drew your host and I'm here with my co host. Chris and we Miss Josh. Josh is not with US tonight. We miss you. We love you. Come back to us. We are a podcast production that seeks to approach church and cultural issues from a biblical standpoint. We are on Patriae on, so if you'd like to partner with US head on over to Patriot, dot com slash matter of theology and become a subscriber. If you would like to. Donate money to us. Reach out for information on how you can donate. We are a of the Christian podcast community. If you would like to find more Christian podcast on over to striving for eternity, dot org and check out all their podcast, there are a lot. A LOT TO CHOOSE FROM But on today's episode, we will be discussing lukewarm Christianity. We might also say refer to this as the carnal Christian, or what the puritans Stephen Chernock would call the practical atheists now to quote char knock here. He says quote. Those are more deservedly termed atheists who acknowledge a god and walk as if there were none period close quote. This is a problem throughout the church that we can trace all the way back to scripture, and my mind has drawn to Romans, Chapter Six where the Apostle Paul, says in verse one. What shall we say, then are we to continue in sin, so that Grit grace may increase verse to May got Ta May never be the strongest negation in the Greek leverage and Paul is emphatic about it, but he continues on to say, how shall we? Who died to sin still living. Stephen, Jarnac again actions are a greater discovery of a principal then words. Men's practices are the best indices. Indexes indices. However you say it and to seize your indices. Yeah of their principles. Now be referring to charm. Knock throughout the episode, but at some point in our discussion I do WanNa. Get to revelation chapter three and the message to lay out. See where we see this reference of being lukewarm. Oh, yeah! Yeah absolutely absolutely man, and that's a that's a good way to kick us off and You know what kind of stoke the fire if you will to to talk about this. Again just more of of of we were talking the through amongst the three of us and and we were just talking about you know different topics and different things that we're seeing in the world and in in the Evangelical Community and You know what what is the root of all of this and you know, and then you know we. We started studying the book of Jude together and for me. This is my second time through just taken a whole month and studying. The book of Jude. You know amongst other things but there's a verse in Jude it's. It's verse four. And it says the says for certain persons. Have crept in unnoticed. Those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation. Ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into licentious and deny our only master and Lord. Jesus Christ so certain people there. You know you certain persons certain people. That's that's plural. Have crept in, and that's that's in the active voice and it literally means unnoticed slipped in stealthily to steal in unnoticed other passages of scripture say unawares other translations. Excuse me. And, and so those and and we see those are vessels who have been long beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons, and of course that Jude there. The half brother of Jesus is using similar language to the Apostle Paul in Romans. Chapter Nine, and specifically in the latter half of chapter, but versus twenty one through twenty four that whole section fourteen to twenty four is phenomenal. But specifically twenty one through twenty four says. Or does not the potter have a ride over the clay to make from the same lump, one vessel for honorable use, and another for common use, what if God, although willing to demonstrate his wrath and to make his power known endured with much patience, vessels of wrath prepared for destruction. Verse Twenty Three, and he did so to make known the riches of his glory upon vessels of mercy, which he prepared. Here's this word again beforehand for glory. Even US call also called not from among Jews only, but also from among gentiles, so there's so much there in in this in this one verse in Jude, but but that specific section they're ungodly persons who turn of the grace of our God into licentious, and deny our only master and Lord Jesus Christ. was was something that really has stood out to me. and something that we see we. We see a good bit. We see so many of us. And when I say US I I mean it's always a good thing. To Stop and to examine ourselves right. It's always a good thing to stop and. Test. The fruits of the route change that has happened within us to to steal some worms from Dr Steven Lawson. and Dr Joel Biki And their new book that they have but. So often today we. We hear. We see people professing faith in Jesus Christ. and they don't possess that you don't see the evidence of that or One of the things that we were going to get into tonight is talking about backsliding. And what does that mean and what does that look like? Does that mean that we're lukewarm? so so there's a lot talk about and I. WanNa say this then I'm GonNa. Turn it back over to you, what I don't want. This episode to be is I. Don't want people to listen to this and walk away doubting their salvation. If they're truly in Christ I I don't want any of us to walk away. After listening to this an myself in in you included and and you know have doubts, and we have to remember that that salvation is of God It is, it is rot, of God and when I say rot, I mean begun and worked not wrought as an rotten but rot of God, before the foundation of the world and to quotes, my good friend and brother Virgil Walker we have to remember, and as he was talking about Fijian's one when it comes to our salvation. fusions one says that before the foundation of the world so that means before God, said let there be light. There was a plan of salvation, and if you are in Christ, your name was among that plan. So I'll I'll pause there, man and and and Kelci. Let you take it, and then we'll we'll. We'll keep going. Yes, let's Let's look at it, we. We've heard this from listened to Paul. Washer for any amount of time, right? He he has talked about those who just simply have made a profession of faith at one time right they. They walked the aisle. They made some professional faith. They signed a card and now they they have pronounced themselves saved. And but what comes out of that right? We'll let's talk about the fruit that comes out of that. The fruit that comes out of that really is is non-existent because they haven't actually. Been Taught. What salvation is and what is to come forth at as far as holiness, and what? What's expected in the Christian life. so people really in that initial kind of wanting to be saved as many of us have have experienced. I know myself included whereas I want to be saved simply so I, don't go to hell. Therefore. I think because I'm saved now I can live however I want, and that's not the case. Right right well, absolutely absolutely, and that's what. Jude refers to sensuousness. That's exactly what that is is Antonio Mian ISM is. Is another another phrase that you'll hear? With that and I also like you know practical atheism the Charca defining there, and then I've also. What's a doctor? Sprawl had some great. some some great words about this, too. He said this about practical atheism. He said quote what is deadly to the churches win? The external forms of religion are maintained while they're substances discarded. This we call practical atheism, practical atheism appears when we live as if there were no god of course refers back to luke fourteen, one I believe, or no psalm fourteen one psalm fourteen months me. To to continue with Dr Role The externals continue, but man becomes the central thrust of devotion. As the attention of religious concert concerns shifts away from Man's devotion to God to man's devotion to man bypassing God the ethic. Of Christ continues in a superficial way having been ripped from its supernatural transcendent and Divine Foundation period close quote. And Man. Do, we see that today. Do we see that in in You know in churches and and I would go as far to say that that one of the problems with practical, eighth or one of the reasons that we see it. Especially today especially in this part of the country, the buckle of the Bible Belt. Is because of weak. impotent preaching. And a t to quote Dr John MacArthur He says this quote searches that neglect, the preaching of word leave their people spiritually malnourished and subscribe to both temptation and error, because they are ill equipped to use the sort of the spirit. Period close quote. So I mean you look at you? Look the way that the Gospel is presented and and and I'm specifically thinking about in one denomination, but I I won't I won't say what that denomination is, but it's. It's all about It's all about your decision. Your you what you do, you commit you. You know instead of truly starting from the point of like like the apostle. Paul does and efficient chapter to. You know and you were dead in your trespasses incense, in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world. According to the Prince of the power of the air and of the spirit that is now working at sons of disobedience in the sons of disobedience, among them to we all a we to all formerly lived in the lessor flush. Indulging. The desires of the flesh and of the mind were by nature children of Wrath even as the rest. Tha- that's got to be the starting point. The starting point is you are a sinner. You are center damned to eternal. Hell because of your sin your your. Your throat is an open grave. The poison of ASP is on your on your lips. As Paul according the Old Testament there in Romans chapter three, there is no one who seeks God. There's no one righteous. And so when you start from that point and in that place. Realizing that salvation and preaching that salvation is a monarchy cystic work of the trinity. Not and by the way the trinity is not three forms of one person. Thank you Stephen Paddock. You motorists. But the trinity is is one God, three persons know he's a modal is right. Td jakes. That's right. Anyway. So a hell, but yeah I mean you see you see weak an impotent preaching. You see you see pastors. And, I put pastors in air quotes that. You have to get up on a platform and tell people that the Old Testament doesn't matter and the Bible says Oh doesn't matter is not good enough. when? When that that's completely the opposite so what you've got right? Yeah, so a in reference to to that quote. You gave by Sproul. I believe he's. He's kind of modernizing you know. Something that Jarnac actually says. 'CAUSE charnel says you know men may have atheist hearts without atheist single heads. Their reasons may defend the notion of Deity, while their hearts are empty of affections to the Deity. Now I and I know you said A minute ago that we don't want people to doubt their salvation, and and that's true, but we also can't ignore the fact that there are people who presume themselves to be saved, and because of a week pulpit they sit in Church Services under a false conversion, the at the allusion of a false conversion or I should say delusion but I want I if you're listening to this. And you are wrestling with your salvation I. I want to encourage you that. There is an assurance of Salvation in Christ says he says no one will snatch them out of my hand. All those father has given to me. He will lose none he will meaning. It's assurance it definite. He will lose none. But the fact that you are wrestling with that shows your desire. For God your heart for God so. I want to encourage you to first John Speaks to that that. That's right, so so if you're struggling with that I would want to encourage you to just. Cry Out to God Bring your heart before him. Now Yeah Well more than just on that on that subject. If you are struggling with or ever have struggled with or ever, look, know anybody who who listens to the sound of my voice right now, if you have not subscribed subscribed to the just thinking podcast. Darryl Harrison Virgil Walker you need to do it. Their latest episode entitled the Assurance of Salvation is a two hour and fourteen minutes episode, but it is. Absolutely amazing. I mean it. anybody who professes faith in Christ at some point. Everyone will ask those questions. Everyone will ask the questions. and not necessarily doubt but have questions about the assurance of Salvation. This episode of this podcast is is a needed thing for you. Listen to so. Do it so go ahead. Sorry, yeah, this one though that will plug in, and so so so now the the conflict comes with. In Luke Warm Christianity right the the practical atheism. The were not denying outright that there is that that there is no god. But rather it's the living as though God does not exist now that is, that's a problem in and of itself because. There's this tension that comes with. How do I know? How do I know if I'm just I if I'm not a believer? Or if I am a believer that just I sometimes I'm I'm full bore right at going towards God but then. I stumble and I fall, and then one stumble and fall turns into another stumble and fall turns into another into another, and I'm back into this kind of. Collie I mean Yeah God's Word Begin to start cheapening God's grace with my excuses to justify sedan. Right. Do you feel that tension there? Yes, I do! Yes I do and and I think we need to go back we we need to go back and look at what it means to be a disciple of Jesus. Christ and to quote Dr Steven. Lawson he says this, he says quote. It doesn't take much of a man to follow Jesus just everything he has. Period close quote. And! I don't even have to write that quote down to remember that one number one I've heard Steve say at a lot. Number two. It's something that has stuck with me. we? We must count the cost we must. Realize that. In coming to Christ there the salvation is a gift. Faith is a gift that has given. However the moment that the journey begins for us the moment that we put our faith in Jesus Christ and profess him as Lord. That's where that starts not that you profess him as savior, and then later on down the road. He'll be your. Lord once I. Learn More about him once. I learn more about the Bible. No, no, it's it's. It's an immediate thing that happens. You are justified. You are sanctified and immediately the Holy Spirit works in you and Jesus is very specific in Luke Chapter Fourteen You know he says this starting at Verse Twenty Five, he says now large crowds were going along with him, and he turned and said to them if anyone comes to me, does not hate his own father. And mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot. Be My disciple. Whoever does not carry his own cross, and come after me cannot be my disciple, for which one of you when he wants to build a tower, does not I down in calculate the cost to see if has enough to complete it? Otherwise When he has laid a foundation, and is not able to finish all who observe it will begin to ridicule him, saying this man begin to build and was not able to finish. and. He goes on to talk. You know to use an analogy of a king battle about again counting the cost. you know and verse thirty three, so the none of you can be my disciple who does not give up all his own possessions, so you hear the theme and cure the point of this passage of scripture as this. That in comparison to Christ in comparison to following Christ's those of the WHO are truly. in the household of faith. Those who have truly been made new those who have truly been renewed redeemed regenerate. in comparison to Christ your love for Christ outshines. It it the love of Jesus Christ the love that you have for Christ because he first loved you. You love him will cause you to the point. Is this take up your own cross? Carry Your Own Cross, and what Jesus means there when you think about what the Cross is, the cross is a tool. Okay, a tool that delivers death. That's what the Cross is. What Jesus is saying there is that we die completely to ourselves. he's not saying in. There have been so many say we'll see. Jesus is saying you have to hate your mother and father and brother and sister and husband and wife. No, no, that's not what he's saying. It will not. The Bible contradicts itself because at first. John doesn't say that. If you hate your brother, you've committed murder. So Jesus tell people to murder people. Stop It. Stop it! What he means, they're okay. He is talking about in compare it. Nothing compares to your pursuit of Christ. Nothing compares to the love that you have for Jesus. Nothing, not the love that you have for your mother, your father, your brother, your sister, your husband, your wife, your own kids. Nothing compares to that. But and you have to count that cost. You have to count the cost you have to go. You know. Jesus standing at the door knocking right. Using using the language of scripture, and we all know that you know those of you out. You're listening right now. No Man. I'm reformed. He doesn't knock at the door. He blows it off the hinges. I've heard Steve Lawson. Say That, yes, yes, that is what happens. That's called irresistible grace when when you are able to comprehend the love of God and Christ Jesus, nothing nothing. You won't want to resist it So but in comparison when it comes to the flesh, you have to die to your wants your preferences. Your your past. Your culture from a Lee standpoint, and from that point forward the journey begins of your walk with the Lord Jesus Christ which got me. Now I would say. that. The person who is the lukewarm? Christian? The Carnal Christian which I I would say. There is no such thing as a colonel Christian because. Karnali is one that desires the world the things of the world wants to give in to those fleshy desires, but those who claim to be in Christ There is a love and a desire still for sin, for for some of those who who claim to be in Christ, and so some of their Christianity is trying to see how close they can get. To Sin While, still remaining in Christ. You say that for those who would call themselves Carnal Christians. I would agree with Dr Sperone he says there's no such thing as carnal Christian. If you're carnal Christian, you're not a Christian and if you. you know I, mean if you love your Sin Which? that was one of the reasons that I had written down as far as you know. Why do people remain? You know lukewarm. is because we you know. Ultimately we do love our sin. Pride is something that we struggle with, but I I think back to Jesus words in in the greatest sermon that has ever been preached on the sermon on the Mount. when he and Matthew Five, when he says, he opened his mouth and began to teach them saying blessed with a porn. Spirit, for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven. Blessed are those who mourn for they shall be comforted. And right there. it. It isn't. It isn't blessed. Happy are those who are saddled the time. The again in context Jesus, referring to blessed are those who mourn over their sin. If you don't hate your send. you may have moments of backsliding. Absolutely we all do. and and may have moments of screwing up, but what is the response when convicted of that sin? Is that that you love that sending you and you don't give it up, or is it that you fight it that you hate it that you are doing battle? We walked through the mortification of sin by John Owen. And it. Are you putting to death. I mean think about it from a military standpoint. It's a military term. You are putting to death. You are doing battle from I. Mean you're you're shooting to kill? This isn't this isn't trying to wound end. Detain. No, no, no, no I'm I'm emptying the magazine till the threat is neutralized, and that threatens to be put down period and finally. So when it comes to your sin. Is that what you're doing? And I when you mentioned backsliding and I. Had this quote written down by Robert? Moore Robert Murray. McShane and he said this. He said quote backsliding Christian. How was it when you first came to Jesus when you are nothing but a center? Did your tears or peninsulas? Recommend you to Jesus then. Did Jesus, not love you and die for you when you were his hardened enemy. Come back to Jesus in the same way now period close quote. That's what we remember a man you said something offline earlier and I think. Maybe this is the kind of the maybe a good spot to get into that which we talked about. We talked about this last time. Romans Romans too There in in that section of course Paul is is specifically talking about Those who think they're better. you know he's just gone through. Romans one and walk through this Unbeliev in its consequences than and then he gets into the impartiality of God, but but what a reminder of us in verse four of Romans, Chapter two when it comes to. Our sin when it comes to backsliding when it comes to moments where we wrestle against the flesh, are we remembering these words, or do you think lightly of the riches of his kindness and his tolerance patients knowing that the kindness of God? Leads you to repentance. So are. We remembering that. Are We remembering that Christ died for the very sins that we commit? He past present and future, he died for them. His blood was spilled for them. You know going back to that. I was talking earlier about a Fijian's one. The fact that salvation was was a plan that was put in place before the foundation of the world right now. Fusions one four just as he, he chose us in him before the foundation of the world that we would be holy. And blameless. Before, him In love, he predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to himself. According to the kind intention of his well. Before the foundation of the world. Before God, said let there be light. The plan was in place for his son. To shed his blood. To take the scourging and the beating and the mocking and the spitting. In your place and in my place. So. That we would be holy and blameless, so that that righteousness would be imputed to us, and so that the Holy Spirit could live in us. Because of that imputed righteousness, and give us the ability to live sanctified holy lives what you got. Yes so that. You said a word that often neglected for many many many pulpits. And that's the Word Holiness. because. There's. Christians today that don't understand what it means to be holy. And one of the reasons that that I know you and I love the Puritan so much. was their devotion to the holiness of God. And we talked about this in our our reformation, series last October where we discussed the puritans and it was there. They took those doctrines from the reformation, and they sought to more fully apply it in not just in the church life, but in every aspect of their life in order to grow in holiness, because they understood that that we are sinners. That Glorification doesn't happen until the very end sanctification process. But they understood the necessity to continually putting to death like you were talking about sin. In order to grow in holiness, it's a honoring in a reverence of what God has done so. We fall into this kind of Luke warmness. When we forget. The Holiness of God. And when we forget our call to be holy as well, and ultimately, that stems from a week pulpit. And lack of discipleship. With one another. Absolutely and and. You know going back to the pulpit piece, and then we'll get into the individual piece. And I hesitate going here because we go here a lot, but it's so true. ended up applies with the topic that we're talking about. But you look at the way that that worldliness has absolutely infiltrated the church today. you look at the fact that there are church services and crowds. There's a difference between a congregation in a crowd. there. You can't distinguish. Church crowds from. A concert. You can't distinguish some some you know quote. Unquote pastors and preachers from Tony Robbins. Oprah Winfrey. and I mean th th. That's a problem that worldliness has invaded. the church and And and it's a battle. It's a battle for for holiness. Holiness from God's Church, a holiness from us as individuals. But. That battle is only going to be one from the inside out. Not The outside in and how that where that starts a is is is from the pulpit but then also in the home. That starts with husbands and fathers being present with the spiritual for the spiritual growth of their family. You know just just real. Quick the The New Testament. Is. Replete if you will. With imperatives. That challenge us in our holiness. we are told in first. Peter, two to abstain from lusts. Romans eight thirteen tells us the mortified the deeds in the body. For Sean too low don't love the world. I Corinthians. Six flee immorality. Put off the old man a for. Filipions for is think on what is whatever's right, true, pure and holy. the we we are. We are told to let God's word dwell in US richly in that everything we do should be in word and deed should all in the name of the Lord Jesus in Colossians, three sixteen and seventeen. we are told to to to beat our bodies to bring them into subjection under the Lord I Corinthians Nine to be transformed by the renewing of our minds and and that is our living or living sacrifice of worship in Romans. Twelve the Apostle Paul. In Second Corinthians seven tells tells us to cleanse ourselves from from every ounce of filthiness and unrighteousness that we have. we're told a walk in the spirit and Galicians. We're told to lay aside bitterness, anger, malice, wrath, filthy language from our lips and a Fijian's four. ETC etc, etc, I could keep going. You know so, but but we are told to be holy as as he is holy, and Romans tells us that we have been freed. From the slavery of Sin and four the slavery of righteousness to quote John Piper. Like that's that's what we have been given in Christ. And and and So. That's why again I. I say that to to be a lukewarm or carnal Christian All the time is not possible. Then you're you're not a Christian. Yes, you may backside. Yes, you're going to struggle with sin. Yes, YOU'RE GONNA. You'RE GONNA Russell with the conflict of two natures Romans seven. But at the end of the day, just like I said before do we stop and can we identify with Paul? And beat our chest and fall to the ground and true repentance not not because we got caught, but because because we are truly repentant, and say wretched man that I am who will set me free from the body of this death? Now I think that's an important distinction to make because. Many people. I mean it. It almost takes me back to two when I was an adolescent. Though, he said that wasn't adolescent. When I wasn't adolescent. We were. Your. Many are sorry because they get caught. They're not sorry because they understand that what they did was wrong. There's a quote I'm trying to remember it now. I can't it's. If you're sorry that you've got caught versus, you're sorry that you did it your. Get. You don't really love God, you just you're. You don't love Jesus as in your devoted to Jesus a follower of Jesus and I'm butchering this. But you're just trying to again. The get out of Hell, free card. You're just wanting to avoid the punishment instead of being sorry that you committed the crime. Right now I. Would I think that another reason that people fall into into Luke warmness. We've said we've talked about the the week pulpit. We've talked about lack of discipleship We've talked about a A. False understanding or a non understanding of holiness, as it pertains to God's holiness, and our call to be holy. But. I think another reason is a lack of an understanding of the fear of God. Many today. Don't possess a fear of God if you if you were to go into. Right some of these churches that you and I know about Locally. That we have passed through or known people that go there They don't have a fear of God in its demonstrated through how they do church. It's demonstrated through through the worship through the the concert. That's being presented its demonstrated through the messages that are all about you and what you can do with Jesus as your footnote to be able to do it, so there's a true lack of reverence and fear of God. Yes Sir I. I I agree with that. I agree with that statement wholeheartedly and I think one of we've. All been there right. we don't need to think about it. Forget it, and. we. And that's a that's a scary place to be. for first. Peter I Peter Speaks to. speaks to that when talks and talks about honoring authority. You know that we are to? Honor all people love the Brotherhood fear. God. Honour the king. and Yeah, yeah, we don't I mean we don't and that's. I mentioned Paul Washer earlier. And You know one of one of. I say it's interesting. It's interesting when you talk about. Paul Washer sermons because you end up going me one of my favorite sermons, but. Is it really because it really made me think and really hit me in the heart and the gut and elsewhere as you know so. But but you know when he talks about about. This in my own life and I think about this with with my wife. And I think about this with the bride of Christ. You Know I. Think about the fact. That God has entrusted me with wife. His daughter. K.. And all that entails. All of that entails I'm I'm scared my father-in-law. Seventy eight years old, but I'm still nope, no. You know like. But when you think about. The Holiness of God and the fact that. When we send, yes, it breaks God's heart. Our sin is is ultimately what Jesus to the Cross. but it angers him as well. And and there've been there've been many lately that you know that try to say that that God doesn't get angry with sin but scripture in scripture says otherwise I believe it SOM-, seven and unplugged flippant over there now. First indication, they don't read their. Right absolutely! SOM- SEV-, I'm sorry Psalm Psalm Seven. Listen to these words. Psalm seven verse twelve. If a man does not repent. He will sharpen his sort. He has spent his bow and made it ready. He has also prepared for himself deadly weapons. He makes his eros fiery shafts behold he travails with wickedness. And he conceives him, and he conceives mistress mischief, and brings forth falsehood. He has dug a pit and hollowed it out. and. He has fallen into the whole which he has made his mischief overturn upon his own head, and his violence will descend upon his own pate. Listen to those words. And realized that for the unrepentant. Like, there's a reason that Paul I I mentioned earlier Romans nine. There's a reason that Paul a said vessel of Wrath. God's wrath and God's judgment is not to be trifled with. And again scripture scripture I think back to that passage in Romans, too the patience and tolerance in the word tolerance there is literally translated into Greek as long suffering. And the kindness of God, the the graciousness, and the again that that patients that God has with the wicked. And with us as children man, we fear God. I see your Sam seven and I raise you a psalm five. That's I think maybe that's what I was looking for. Her I'm going to begin in verse four of Psalm Five. For. You are not a God who takes pleasure in wickedness. No evil dwells with you, the boastful shall not stand before your eyes. You hate all who do iniquity. You destroy those who speak falsehood. The Lord abhors the man of bloodshed and deceit. Those are strong words, yeah! So when people say looking for, but saw seven works, too. So so when people say you know God doesn't hate anyone. You're wrong. God hates all who do iniquity not only does he hate them? He abhors them. and His wrath rests against the wicked now. So now, but this fear of the Lord. I I. I, do want to be clear there. There's a lot of misconception about what it means to have. A fear of the Lord now. There's two kinds of fear that we can think of and both are present in our lives. At one point in time there's a servile fear fear. Which is a? Kind of the fear that a torturer has for his tormentor. Or the one who are receiving torture gets from his tormentor and so when we are apart from Christ separated from Christ at enmity with Christ. We are going we. If we die in that position, we will be the recipient of God's eternal wrath, that is a servile fear of punishment fear, but for the Christian. There's a feel your fear and we've talked about this before. A childlike fear, which is not one that has to be afraid of of punishment. But one that says this is my father, and I'm afraid to disappoint him by acting in a way contrary that he tells me to act. Right it's A. It's a fear of this kind of disappointment now there's. What we don't want to do is we don't want to. Become too comfortable. I would say or familiar with God right like like. Yes, God is. Our friend is our comforter, but he's not our homeboy. Okay, so. So, we have to maintain this proper fear. That recognizes the holiness of God, the sinfulness of Man, and that we are called to serve and honor God. Amen Brother. You know you said a few things You said a few things there. That's that's right on You know we don't. We don't fear God in a final punishment sense, we, we understand that the punishment has been paid right that that that comes from the assurance that we have in Christ the insurance in his work. The we rest in the fact that nothing Romans eight Tuscan separate us from the love of God. we, we rest in our the WHO. What where when and why of Salvation And That's where we rest, but you said something there that that I think is also important for us as believers. Is is when we experience Pain. Okay the pain of discipline. and and or the pain of of a a a as a warning system, our consciences right. Okay, so so I Timothy One nineteen, says keeping keeping faith, and in good conscience okay. So, that's that we would heed the warnings of conscience, right? We wouldn't sh- suffered shipwreck, regarding our faith. That's what Paul is is telling his young protege there but the conscience itself is, it's a it's a warning system that God has given each of us, and when I say each of us I don't just mean believers right by. The the law of God. The law is written on every person's heart made in the Imago Day. Okay Romans one talks about that I'm pretty sure yet, US. Yeah, which is why atheists, even atheist know that it's wrong to murder. People correct correct well. Maybe they may have gotten to the point to where. You know. The conscience has been seared in so many ways. You know I, think about drew you play Guitar I. Play Guitar. I haven't played in a while. And so the calluses on my fingers have worn down so. Yes! So if I go, pick this calluses, or if I go pick up to me if I go picnic, it's our and start playing right now like it's. It's GonNa hurt. It's GonNa hurt and what does that? Let me know that me. Let's me know that if I want to continue down this road. That I need to keep playing to build up right to the pain is is is a is a warning system in letting me know all right. In the same way that pain in our body lets us know there's a problem. Okay, it's a And and the conscience has done that the conscience has It's God's way of of protecting ourselves, but so many have. So many have seared those consciences so much that they don't feel about anymore. Right, okay. Press the truth so much right that. That now the the heart has become callous. Right right, absolutely absolutely so but then I also think about the father's discipline. You know out of Hebrews, twelve and and we've talked about this before. You know again, we've. We've mentioned this a few times now. When it comes to sin. And this is you know the writer of Hebrews in? Hebrews twelve four says you have not resisted to the point of shedding blood in your striving against sin. And then he goes on to talk about the discipline. From the Lord being reproved by him. and. He's quoting the testament here, but he says for those. Whom the Lord loves he disciplines, and he scourges every son whom he receives And verse, seven, it is for discipline that you endure God deals with you as you were as as with sons. For what son is there whom his father does not discipline, but if you are without discipline of which all have become partake than you are illegitimate children and not something. That is a way t reminder for each of us. we think of the pain that is involved in discipline. Discipline Hurts, but it's a warning system to remind us to remind us of to correct ourselves and or And or it disciplined can be a reminder to. For further training, right I think about that that that example Paul Rauscher gave appraise mill that time talking about You know his dad driving out to the end of the farm with the ankle weights and made made on all the way back. As a way of disciplining his body to prepare for for for being athlete and but that that we have to remember that, too when it comes to so bringing this all back around. To being lukewarm and being Karnal. Are you being disciplined? Is, the Lord reprieving you and disciplining you in your sin. or or is he not because he hasn't been scripture says you're illegitimate children, not sons. But then also you ask as believers. What are you doing to train your conscience to train your mind to to hide God's word in your heart that you may not sending against him. What are you doing? From an active standpoint, saying sanctification, yes, is a Trinidadian work it is the Holy Spirit work, but guess what you're involved in that as well. So, what are you doing? What are we doing? What am I doing to train myself and discipline as well? In and shedding blood, striving against sin, as the writer of Hebrew says and beating my body to the point of submissions policy in Corinthians. Now these are. The this discipline that you're talking about. This is a grace and a blessing from God. Yes, it's an assurance that lets us know that we're his children because as Paul Washer. Says also he says if you're not being disciplined by God. Are you even sure you're his kid? Right. And that reminds me of a quote by Dr RC sprawl from from enjoying God. He said this quote. It is not enough for the Christian to know that God is. We must be driven by a holy passion to know who he is. The pursuit of the knowledge of God must never be undertaken as a casual exercise. It must be chief business of our lives period close court. That's right. That's right. Now with the time that we've got left. I want to move into. Revelation. Chapter, three. So. If you have your bibles. Turn to revelation chapter three, and we're going to be looking at the message to lay Odyssey now. This is often times. used by preachers to say that you can't be lukewarm now there there is an individual aspect of it, but this is ultimately a letter to a specific church as as how the church is functioning. But this also works on an individual level as to seeing as how the church is made up of individuals we get, we can take this and we can apply it as well. But preachers especially down here Chris down here in the south. You know those tiny southern baptist. Preachers will use passages like this to say that you know see you can't be code. You gotta be on fire for God right. You can't be lukewarm. Did that too well man. Well. And and before you. Keep in mind kind of bringing this back here. LAYOUT ACEA is an unsaved. Proud unconverted church. It is wrought with nonbelievers who think that they are believers. And A-. And this went. This rebuke went farther than the rebuke that we see earlier in chapter three for the Church at Sardis I mean as far as rebukes go from the Lord to a church. This is this is the most threatening one yet. So sorry, go ahead. So so I'm just going to start in at the beginning in verse fourteen to the Angel of the church in Laos to see a right. The Amen. The faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God says this. I know your deeds. That's enough to send a chill up your spine. And we go home. I know your deeds. That you are neither cold nor hot. I wish that you were cold or Hot. So because you are lukewarm and neither cold or in neither hot nor cold. I will spit you out of my mouth now. Keep in mind the the reference I made earlier to to those old timey. Southern preachers that like to use this to say you must be hot. You cannot be cold as though hot means saved cold means unsaved in. You can't be lukewarm in the middle 'cause. That's just as bad in. You'll get spit out, but. When you're. Studying the Bible, you must have proper Herman Nude Knicks. and. Drew. Herman Ix is the science of interpreting God's word. It's bringing out the understanding of what is written now in order to have proper Hermitic, you must gain context. Now in this passage right here now gaining context, there's a lot in order to gain context in order to bridge gaps from back then to now here we have to understand what's called a geographical context. Layout Assia lies right in the middle. Of COLOSSI inhere operas. I believe it was. Colossi had the cool refreshing springs. In it was Hera. That had the the hot soothing fountains In their territory, and what lay out to see a wanted to do was they wanted to build these kind of tunnels that would get the cool springs and the hot spring, so they could have the best of both, but by the time the water traveled from each arrived at Layout Assia. It was luke warm and it was useless. It wasn't cool and refreshing. It wasn't hot and soothing. It was absolutely useless. And what's going on here John is writing. Being led by the Holy Spirit. And he's saying that. I wish you were either hot. Meaning on fire soothing. Right like the water you desire to have. Or that you were cold and you were refreshing like this other water you're trying to have. But because you're neither. Your lukewarm. He's. It's a direct reference to lay out a see as water system. That is luke warm in useless because you are lukewarm, I will spit you out of my mouth when you look at the the actual. Greek translation. of A of when Jesus said Spit. Like it really is vomit. Throw up vomit. Spew. Yeah that's usually when I get when I drink sweet tea. Yeah, right so this isn't like a like a like a Jimmy Fallon spit. Take you know this isn't. This isn't one of those I. Like this in the. It's a gagging reflex right? Absolutely, it's detestable like it's. It's disgust. It's rejecting with extreme disgust. And you think about that. You're because you're neither. Hot boiling hot. Scalding hot on fire. From a frame of mind and to all that you do. Or Cold? You. Know ice cold and sluggish and You know just just. Completely cold when it comes to what you're lukewarm. Right your when you when you look at the think about that that lukewarm that word lukewarm there. You know. You're just fluctuating between. Hot and cold. You're you're just. Think about I heard. It uses an Australian in the past. Is You know you've got one foot in one foot out? you straddling the fence? I did hear someone say once pooper. Get off the pot, and you know, but because that year your lukewarm I will, I will reject you with the utmost disgust. Those are Jesus. Words after saying I. Know Your Deeds. YIKES! Yikes and that's that's why I mean. That is the purpose of examining ourselves. That is the purpose of working out your salvation, fear and trembling. And that's also, too. You Know I. Kinda knew we were GONNA go there in this episode so again. I don't want someone to doubt their salvation from A. From a on my Gosh my saved and is my salvation secure Encana lose it. No, you can't But at the same time, we must examine ourselves. Against the backdrop of scripture. and it's it's a good thing to do that. Yeah that's right now. I think I think that's a great place to to kind of wrap up. Due wrap up. Is I want to read this quote from. Ma Boy Stephen Char knock. Because we've talked about a lot. Today because right and I think this. Sums it up very well. The position of the practical atheist. Jarnac says this. When we deny his. That's God when we deny his sovereignty when we violate his laws. Or let me start. Let me start that again. We deny his sovereignty when we violate his loss. We disgrace his holiness when we cast our filth before his face. We disparage is wisdom when we set up another rule as the guide of our action than the law he fixed. We slight his sufficiency when we prefer a satisfaction in sin before a happiness in him alone. And his goodness we slide. When we? When we, when we judge it, meaning his goodness, when we judge it not strong enough to attract us to him. It is such a vilifying of God as if he were not God. Amen, Amen Man. Whole. Wholeheartedly agree believer continuing your sanctification continued to. resist sin to the point of shedding blood to me, not not physically. You know. But you know. Make your. Bhatia slave to Christ. Because what we are, you know. We talked about the fact that we're studying jude three of us and today's Day two of doing that and But as you pointed out, and something drew you, and I have talked a ton about the last couple years. Know the book of Jude Starts Out this way. Jude a Bond Servant of Jesus Christ. That is what we all. We all need to need to seek to remember is that. We are saved. And and and when we truly think about what we've been saved from an four and and how we were saved and the fact. That we were dead in our trespasses and sins, in which we once walked. We were by nature children of Wrath we were objects of of his divine punishment and and what Christ has done Is Unbelievable you know we think of that continuing inefficiency to but God being rich in mercy because of his great love, with which he loved us even when we were dead. In our transgressions, and sins made us alive made us alive together with Christ by grace. You have been saved. That's what he has done. And that's what was in place before the foundation of the world, and so because of that we are a bond servant that do las we are in bondage to we are subject to. We are his slave. That is what our lives look like and so That's what we are most concerned with our we glorifying God and everything that we do in word indeed. Well with that, we're GONNA head out of here. We will catch you guys on the next one.

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VOR Rewind  Cleaning the Outside of the Cup: A Christian Response to Social Issues

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VOR Rewind Cleaning the Outside of the Cup: A Christian Response to Social Issues

"Well good evening once again welcome to voice, of reason radio your host Chris Hani Hilton Richard Story visiting with you once again and yes, we made it. To back to back week recording program. So thank you for your patience. 'cause we always appreciate it. We know it can always be. You know seem a little like we're space CANETTI. Well, maybe there's some truth to that. When we when we bounced the the the program around a little bit, but we try to strive to try to do this as consistently as possible. So thank you for being with us today just for the record is the seventeenth two, thousand eighteen. This is saint. Patrick's Day, which means there are a bunch of people wearing green getting riot asleep drunk and have no clue who Saint Patrick really was or what he accomplished so. We hope that your Saint Patrick's Day is being very blessed. We hope that you'd think about. A man who was committed to the work of God and is in the preaching of the Gospel rather than the traditional. American trappings that go with it but I know when we're done with this program, I, get to go eat some corned beef and cabbage. So I'm very much looking forward to that how you doing rich. Oh brother I'm hanging in there like a rusty nail home. It's been a it's spring down here in the south or as I like to call it storm season, which for me is pain season but I would like to give a shout out to our friend KT. Like to thank her, she's sitting there a couple of messages just kind of chicken on me over the last couple of weeks. I just want to. Let her know that I truly appreciated and before we get started I would like to do something on a personal note I would like to wish my wife very, very happy anniversary. Tomorrow we will have been married twenty three years. And honey. If you actually listen to this show, I just would like to say. That I've been truly truly blessed. With having you as my bride and. Best friend and my wife and I truly give thanks to the Lord for bringing you to me and into my life. So if you're listening to this show and it's past, March eighteenth, go ahead anyway hit my wife up on facebook. And just tell her congratulations in Orlando our condolences. To Me for twenty three years. And brother I know you've had a crazy week yourself and we promise this will be a hell hound free show for you. Well first. Let me say up front. Happy Anniversary praise. God for your faithfulness to your marriage especially with all the ups and downs you guys had to face over the years. As testimony to the grace of God, it is a testimony to your commitment to our Lord and Savior and a commitment to your marriage. So thank you for putting that on the air and Suzanne God. Bless you. I only have to deal with them once a week. Day so you have far more patients to me anyway. Yeah. No. Yeah it was It was an interesting week when you go to a house just to check and see if this is a good place for parolee live and about one dozen angry. Ravenous Furry teeth. Creatures that were supposedly dogs that live on a ranch tried to each that. That's that was how my week started out. So was. was a very very. Stressful start to that. Anyone that follow us follow us on facebook or twitter probably saw the postings because bless your heart I know there were several people that were laughing and that was the most luxurious thing ever I it was it was a crazy start to the day I woke up with a raging headache I had to go to this home to do this part of my job I. GotTa make sure that residents appropriate. And I don't blame the dogs. That's what they do. It's. GonNa Ranch style setup they got animals everywhere. The dogs are there to protect the animals they saw someone they didn't know and decided he was A. Puppy Chow. So. It was a, it was a heroin couple of minutes trying to keep them to back away from me long enough to get to my car and they were rounding coming around the Jimmy getting between me and the car. So. It was. Other you sure wouldn't have doughnut she hid in your pocket. I did not know donuts that day is. On a stack of bibles know doughnuts that day. Was You know I've had to deal with many issues over the years. I've had to take people into custody and some very difficult situations had a you know. Wrestle people to the ground. There's been pepper spray involved. There's all kinds of stuff and. Let the adrenaline deal with it you know and you deal with that after. Most often I can say you know in the moment you're doing your job and you're not dealing with panic. There was a moment of panic when you see snarling teeth and further charging you and you can't get your car. Especially when you're stopping to consider this is not me dealing with a A horrendous villain that has a warrant. He's six dog on me to to keep me from getting to him. These were just honest people who work ranch and and you don't want hurt those dogs. You know you don't you don't WanNa. You don't WanNa get into a fight were animals get hurt because that's you know they they didn't do anything to deserve that. And they're just they're just trying to do their job and so all of that runs through your mind about a microseconds second. You would be the whole idea of your life flashing before your eyes in a harrowing moment it is possible because you think of all the possible ramifications of if I do this, then that's going to happen do this that'll end up on the news if I do that. To make some very quick decisions that day and nobody got hurt. Praise God. Reminds me of some situations over the years that I was involved with with different types of animals and most memorable was mad bull but we'll say that story for another time. That's not an animal. I would ever want have angry with me. I. Doubt. The dogs were bad enough. But. Yeah. Thankfully, the rest of the week was a little less problematic in fact. I. Just got over being coming down with I don't know what I just got knocked flat for a couple of days and today's the first day. I. Felt Human in probably the last two and a half three days. So starting to feel like a normal human being again, which is I know very subjective. If you don't meet all normal is not a phrase you probably apply to me. You know it's it's starting to feel better. So while you're dealing with the crazy weather that's tearing you limb from Limb I'm at least finally starting to feel human. So my sympathies. For anybody that's new to the show just for the record for Mia Chris. Normal is probably when we say normal started usual level of. Abnormal. When we say we want to be normal. Basically, we're just trying to reach back up to that low ladder wrong of being abnormal because I think you and I both between our hobbies and interests and everything else. Even among our Christian brethren I think we may both be considered a bit Al Qaeda. It's a very low bar for us to say what normal? But at least at least in our case, unlike our friends over at. Theology driven we get to stay in one place and we don't get the add look. There's people walking. Oh, look cows in the road so. You, we are level of abnormal might be a little bit higher than theirs but anonymous in them, you know Hey Scotty to how you guys. You know we love you but. At least we don't have to worry about you know drew nearly driving into a swamp. So that's the we at least have that on in our. For Where these guys driving around to have swamps and? Running around in the road and I'm trying to run him down and it's They have I love the program great program. I just think that they set a higher bar for add than. So, love you guys honest we do. we're we're we're in so much trouble especially because I referred to Scott Hunt Scotty again, he's GonNa. Kill me. I think it's Virginia. I think where anonymous is out of and that's what they do there. But so that explains you know the random strange things that they see. Their area. Pardon me but Probably need to move on because I have a feeling you and I both were about to get in trouble. Out. She's and we if we haven't been in trouble yet the it's well overdue. Actually. To be honest I've been a little bit behind most of my other podcast listening because G. Three conference put all their stuff on their APP, and so I've been downloading and listening to it. So those of you that have other podcasts, brothers I love your stuff don't don't get me wrong. I'm not not listening because. I want to listen to you I just really want to get caught up on on on the G. Three conference this last year and I've heard some really good stuff are really QNA periods really excellent discipleship. That have come out Paul trip stuff. If you have not had a chance to check out g three conference and I think they just announce you can now go to their website and and do it because it was all released to their APP I. You can now go to the website. You can now go to their youtube channel and watch it all please do. Paul trip stuff on parents eighteen. Oh, you will be blessed. It will challenge you. I'm telling you listen to it. It is good good stuff So I've been trying to get caught up on that slow but sure and I'm slowly make my way through the through the whole Christ, sinclair? Book. Sinclair. Ferguson's book and it's That's another one that'll that'll challenge you I gotTa tell you. It really makes you rethink. Why you believe what you believe if you're of a more reformed thinking yeah. Those first few chapters talking about the marrow controversy and What the objections were to the. Marrow of divinity, the book that kind of surrounded this controversy and why guys like Thomas Boston and stuff actually fought to not have certain a certain church creed removed and why this book should not have been considered heretical even if they. Didn't agree everything in it. It really will innocence turn you on your head a little bit because I found certain presuppositions that I've gone into reading this book more things that Ferguson CL-. You know it's not it's not A. It's not a popular level book. It's not like a book you can sit down and just pull off a bookshelf and reading an afternoon. You've got a got to think about what Ferguson saying. I wouldn't say it's like you know high academic work, but it's it's a challenging book. It's not something going to sit there and read and like I said in an afternoon and you know some books will do that and they'll still be a great blessing this. What makes you stop and think really what is Sinclair Ferguson Getting Out Thomas Boston in them get out. And I challenge you guys pick up this book and read it because. It is the I just into the first few chapters. It's taken me a little bit of time having to spend time with it and it really Sets Up. How We? Deal with this issue of and OMI ISM and legalism and stuff in the church and. You will find in my opinion. You'RE GONNA you're. GonNa side with the people who were against Thomas Boston in them. And then his Ferguson explains what Thomas Boston the Maryland is it's called. In this group explained what their concerns were. You you sit back and you go. Oh. Okay I can see where it why that would be a concern and I think that's healthy. It really makes you think about what your theology is and why and I tell you if more of us did that there'd be a lot less of these internet squabbles rich. I'm telling you it's a good book. People need to read this. Well I'm currently in A. It's not a formalize study, but it's basically on how the American wars have shaped Americans Christian theology. And started at the revolutionary. War and currently I'm up till somewhere around nineteen hundred, Nineteen fifteen during the Spanish American conflicts and it's really interesting how The wars that the United States have been involved with how it has shaped the theology of this country and how it has. Developed, from A. Bible based God fearing. True theology to a more of a social justice social acceptance way of thinking and doing the study on the different wars. You can almost sit here and watch as this country has evolved or I should say devolved. Over the last two, hundred, two, hundred, fifty years when it comes to its. View of God or even a view of a God. Yeah. Gee Yeah exactly I mean I it's. I think we as Christians in America wheat. We need to stop and think about we are culturally influenced in what we believe. And that is a bit of a challenge. When we try to impose our American way of thinking on scripture because scripture is applicable to all cultures. All places all times it is it is all generations. And so it's can be a bit tricky. When you bring in Americanized thinking and we've talked about this rich that rugged individualism that Americans are known for in. So often hated for. We will impose that on Christian thinking. We've seen that even in the last election, how many people were called Had their own Christianity challenged if you didn't want to vote for trump, for example I'll interrupt you for a second one. There's a huge example that springs to my mind. That in the early twentieth, century. Kind of overlap in from late Nineteenth Century into early twentieth century most people don't realize there was a huge objection to allowing Catholics into this country because at that time the religious leaders and even the government did not want the Catholic influence overtaken the United States, they were trying their best to stay away from the Roman Catholic Church and the basically you know. A lot of them broke away from from England you know one hundred years prior. But just as a small example in that hundred years, this country went from trying its best to keep Catholics out of this country to now among American evangelicalism nine out of ten people you ask they'll tell you that. Yes, Catholics or Christians. So. There's there's definitely been massive cultural influence on how Christians think and so that actually kind of plays into what we're going to talk about tonight. It was a question that was brought up. I saw on twitter and. I think it was actually very good question and one that we should should discuss a little bit. In our program tonight, but there is a massive cultural shift. And that message cultural shift and my computers at me go away. No I don't want an update right now windows leaving alone. But Has Dramatically impacted how we think and how we act and Make that go away windows don't be messing with me tonight. It's dramatically impacted how we think about. Christianity is dramatically things about how impacted how we think about morality and other issues and I agree with you that that kind of study is so valuable because it challenges our presuppositions and I think even those of us within a more. Solidly Biblical. Framework as Christians who understand the value of the word of God. are still don't realize how much we've been impacted by cultural influence. Yes, the. Term. For what you said about you know bobble even Christians. At one point in the nineteen, no excuse me in the twentieth century they were known as. Well that were got got twisted around the meaning. Got Twisted around to where the you know by and large people did not want to be associated with that term but now it seems like the Trans. Leaning to where. We are considered traditionalist. And and even that is becoming a nasty word you know that if If you're a traditionalist. That's becoming a considered something very. Very. Negative to that's that's an interesting perspective that we you know I don't even think we're starting to realize until it's becoming a bit too late. But the rich to to to make the transition into the program today the question that I saw and the reason I think the cultural influences so impactful on this. Question I saw on twitter was basically addressing I'm going to paraphrase this. So the person who put it out there if you happen to hear the program, I apologize if I didn't quite get it right I should have wrote it down but the gist of it was this that. There are a lot of Christians have tried to make the point. That, you cannot address the issues, the social issues in our nation. Without first dealing with the fact that you have to preach the Gospel to people and you have to see converted that's been you know rich you and I've talked about this multiplies that. TRYING TO IMPOSE A. A moral basis morality that people have to follow. Even, if you get everybody to do it, you still have an issue of people going to hell and so therefore. In on top of that, they're still wicked and evil at heart so that you're not GonNa get the change you think you're going to get. But you know the person's question was extended a little bit further. Why do we have a problem with wanting to address social issues? Do not do we not want people to act? Don't, we want people to stop acting like racist for example, or sexist or bigots don't we want to deal with those social issues don't WanNa see people act in a more moral fashion. So I hope that captures what the question that was posted on twitter said but which I think that's a valuable question because. We really want. What what are we trying to accomplish as Christians when we see social issues in the world and we say you have to preach the Gospel. You and I agree on that that social issues can't be addressed by just imposing a bunch of rules you have to deal with the heart issue. I I. Think we agree on that, right? Oh absolutely because I mean, if you just look at the country today, there's so many examples that we could pull from but you already gave the answer in your introduction that without addressing the heart issue. Behavior modification may be accomplished by passing laws, but you're still going to have people that does obey those laws and you may outlaw racism in any way form or fashion that you deem. FIT But the issue is at the heart of a truly racist person in their heart. They're still going to be racist basically, they're still going to have hatred in their heart for another person even if they don't act upon their feelings and that's what Christ addresses throughout the New Testament is that God ways the heart of the man that that that which is born of the spirit is the spirit in which is born of the flashes, the flesh and until a person is born of the spirit. Given by God nothing on earth is ever going to do anything to truly change that person's heart and even if they act. In the in a way that society would deem one hundred percent appropriate unless they're truly saved. They'RE GONNA die and go to hell as a nice person. Exactly and I mean you go back to things like genesis chapter? Chapter six, five then the Lord saw the wickedness of man was great on the earth in that. Every intent and thoughts of his heart was only evil continually and even when. After the flood and you know and his family come out and they make the sacrifice for God and there's been the rainbow putting the year. He says I'll never again curse the ground because of man for the intention of Man's heart is evil from his youth so I mean there is. A commitment, by God who has got, he says, we are wicked from our. You know from the time we're in the womb in David Rights in Sindh my mother conceive me. In other words, her sinfulness is passed down to him even in the womb and so you've got a heart issue. And you know it's I think it's James says you know that it's Says don't blame God for temptation temptation starts in the heart of me and I'm really paraphrasing please forgive me. And it works its way out it gives birth to sin and. When fully formed brings forth death. I believe that's it. James. and. You have this issue of why do we have evil? Why do we have racism? Why do we have all these wicked things happened we have school shootings. It's all bound up in the fact that you have people who are conceived in sin the they have the wickedness of Adam passed down generation to generation. We are born and conceived in sin I like how Paul Washer once put it. You don't send you're not a senator because you send your. You send because you're a sinner the it's the outworking. You are a sinner by nature. Therefore, you will sin you don't get defined as a center because you happen to make a commitment And it's this heart issue. So that's really the first issue is that even if we want could come to an agreement that as Christians we need to address these social issues. And there are ways that we can do that. That are biblically right in etc.. If you don't address to do to quote poll. Things Paul trip. Ted trip guys forgive me the the they say, the heart of the matter is the matter of the heart you cannot deal with. I. Think it's Paul trip that. Tetra. Seem confused. You. He's writing in his book about shepherding a child's heart and He's dealing with the fact that you can't. Just swab a child on the bottom and get an produce fantastically obedient child. You have a heart issue, and if you don't deal with that from a biblical perspective, you're not going to change that heart and the child will just learn to be disobedient in other ways and and maybe at some point that that form of discipline stops working because it doesn't matter to the child anymore he's going to do what he wants to do. And the same goes with society is that if we don't deal with this heart issue, if we don't see that changed then no matter it doesn't matter how much outward societal pressure we put on a person. They may not sin in one way, but they're gonNA find a way to send someone other way and so that I think is probably our first. Problem with the idea of we want to deal with society's ills from a social justice perspective because we can't deal with it just by saying that's bad you and you have to stop you know we can bring pressure to bear but that's not necessarily gonNA. Change. Things. Right. Oh absolutely without the Gospel mean truly you're just promoting behavior modification and protesting sin and some people will say, well, you know getting people to behave better isn't that a good thing? Well, yes and no but the problem is that because of the heart man is evil. Evil is in the eyes of the beholder other words that what I if we depend on what society deems. Right and wrong. That's when. We get to where we are. Now one person defines evil one way another person finds evil another way they're both did sit and determined that their way is right but that but without the word of God, the altar of life without God's word, as a compass to determine what is right and wrong everybody is right in their own eyes and that's what we're seeing now, and that's what happens when society tries to dictate morality without bringing the Bible Jesus Christ into the mix. I mean, we're looking you know look around the country now I mean there you see squabbles and debates and fights about abortion about. Same sex marriage about homosexual rights and you know that's just the tip of the iceberg. There's so much more going on, but that's because society is trying to. Deem, what is moral and true without the word of God. Absolutely I mean. To to kind of round out what we're saying about this issue of the heart. Outside, of the the supernatural changing work of the holy. Spirit. Bringing a person to repentance and faith and making them a new creation. You will always have a heart bound up in sin. God has promised. You Go to Zeki Thirty, six, twenty, six, he he promises. Even in the Old Testament this new covenant he says, I will give you a new heart and a new spirit. I will put within you and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. Ends a promise even from the Old Testament from God. Of Making, people brand new new creation. And so outside of that. Supernatural. Change. You have a heart that is bound up in sin as as God himself said a heart that is evil. Continually every thought an intention to the heart is evil. So. Behavior right rich, behavioral modification. You might get, you'll get an cleaning the cup. That was what the Jesus often condemned the Pharisees for you clean the outside of the Cup of the inside. It's nasty. He says, you're whitewash tombs full dead. Full Dead Men's bones. That's what I if we want to see genuine change we have to deal with the heart and you can't deal with the heart outside of the work of Jesus Christ. So there were two issues that I saw. Is. I tried to think through this about bringing morality to bear. In trying to, you know want people to act in a moral way. Please understand nothing we're not saying we don't want people to act morally. Of course, we do obedient to the word of God would brings blessing you look at the now these were promises specifically to Israel. So please I understand we're not saying they're doing this means that we the blessings of Israel that's not at all what we're saying but by way of example, when you look at the Old Testament when the people. That entered into the land of Israel God's that you obey these commandments and I will bless you. So even just the outward. The outward. Actions. or I shouldn't say out, but even the obedience brought about Leskinen God. Also, when you disobey me, there will be these negative consequences and this was just for residing in the land. These were the commandments about residing in the land of Israel. So there is a blessing from God for people. Who will be obedient to his work? So, we want people we don't want to have people inviting greater judgment upon themselves or upon a nation. By outward an out and out rejecting God rejecting his commandments and do pursuing their heart's desires. The we saw what happened to the earth the was flooded and only eight people survived right God will judge people for their sin. And we don't want to encourage sinfulness in a nation and culture so we would agree rich I think that. The outward obedience? At least has some level of blessing coming from God correct. I would agree with that. So so we want people to not out in out sin. With agree there is something good about not people having people not act like racist sexist bigots etcetera. We agree with that. Here's the problem, the first problem that I see. If you and if we today in two, thousand, eighteen. As a Christian. Group of believers decided we want people. To Act morally. We want people to address the issues of racism. For example, that was the example I think it was put in the tweet. If we want to deal with that. WHO GETS TO DECIDE How we deal with racism. That's an honest question. How do you decide who determine who gets to determine? What is the moral? Issue of racism, how do we define racism? How do we decide how to deal with racism? WHO GETS TO MAKE? That, decision. Because in two, thousand, eighteen in America. This culture is rapidly more and more rejecting any. Semblance of a Judeo-christian Ethic, which is what has been the basis for our form of government, which has been the basis for our laws, which has been the basis for morality for generation. If we are as a nation rejecting any semblance of the judeo-christian ethic. How does Christianity? Get to have a say in how people are no longer races what do you think rich? How do we deal with that? How do we now enter into a conversation as Christians when the majority of society is rejecting and Christian involve a Christian ethos and is embracing things like secular humanism. Well. One problem. In one problem within the bigger problem. Is The racism and. That word itself. The Liberals or attempting to redefine that basically to mean if you don't agree with me on any subject, you're a racist. It's it no longer just applies to what nationality person's inheritance or or ancestors are from or happen to be whether it's you know Chinese Korean Japanese. Irish Scottish whatever. It no longer just applies to that. Now it's if you don't agree with the homosexual agenda if you don't agree with abortion if you don't agree with, you know allowing immigrants in here without documentation if you don't agree with me, you're a racist and that's part of the larger problem is that We can't define it because everyone wants to define it in their own way, and that also goes back to the fact that they're trying to use the culture. To define. The way that we should think in the way that we should act instead of going back to the foundation, which is the word of God. And if you're listening to this and you don't like what we're saying, I'm sorry. But this is the truth this country was built and founded on the Ten Commandments and those laws and times in this country's history. You can go back and look and see things just slowly dwindled away. At one point in time in this country not only was homosexuality gets. Lol. So was adultery. You could be arrested for cheating on your spouse. And That's something that people seem to forget that every ounce every aspect of the ten commandments as our judicial system was built upon every one of those is slowly getting eroded away and redefined and re built. To reflect the cultures way of thinking. And I think we'd be farther down that slippery. He'll. If not for the way that our constitution happened to be established when it comes to certain rights and freedoms, but even that's coming under attack these days. Yeah. Absolutely. Speaking of the Constitution, it was president John Adams said, our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other one. What does any by that? He means it in mind you. Yes, not every. The. Founder of the constitution either personally signed that. Was a Christian. Some were Diaz somewhere not religious, but all of them in most cases recognize the value of the judeo-christian ethic. Okay, it was some of these guys who proposed putting monuments like the ten commandments and putting up. Moses as the log in the Supreme Court the these were. People who understood the value. Of judeo-christian ethic that's why John Adams, seventy cents it wasn't just generically religious system he was speaking of he was talking about Judeo. Christian ethos and so. Today when we have rejected. The concept as a nation. That Christianity. Is the ethics and the moral basis by which we establish law. Now you see what's going on in our nation. California not that long ago maybe a decade or so. Passed the law said you know. Had an amendment to their constitution that protected the definition of marriage people voted on it. And amended it and said it's protected under the this article of our state constitution. When you don't have a Christian ethos as the basis for that what happened exactly what we saw, it was challenged in court and lost. An amendment by the people of the state loss because a small group of people. Filed a charge in court that it was unconstitutional and they want. And that amendment was dropped and every- win every time a state tried to protect the definition of marriage. This is what would happen and eventually it ended up in Supreme Court and we over I think it's over I can never say it right. Changed the that decision changed the definition of marriage in our nation. Why because the definition of marriage is by nature a biblical one. And as a nation more and more, we have rejected the Christian ethical. which we define what is moral? And so here's the problem you have the Christian Church. That would agree racism is wrong. Why? Because God's Jesus made it clear that if you harbor hatred in your heart unjust hatred towards another person, you might as well commit murder even though that's not what he's saying. Let me rephrase that he didn't say go ahead and commit murder, but it was just a Godson as being almost the same as committing murder you murdering that person in your heart. So a Christian would say that racism is wrong because it is unjust hatred. Why is it just because we are all made of one blood. There is no distinction. There's no gene. Note. Jew Nor Greek nor a male or female. Slave or free in Christ there's no distinctions why? Because we're all in crashed and in the same way we are all want blood in the eyes of God, we are Imago Day created in the image and likeness of God so hatred. Of another person simply on the basis of race is a violation of God's law and therefore a sin and therefore wrong and condemned to hell. That's how a Christian would define racism according to scripture. How do we now impose that? On, on a people who reject scripture. How were they defining? They're not defining it on the basis of God, condemns it a sin. They're defining on things like inequality there defining on things of being fair. They're defined by things of not only. Is it wrong to just not like somebody because they're black White Hispanic. Well, you can hate people white male Christian I guess that's okay. but everything else is wrong to hey. and. So we don't have a definition for why we think it's unfair and not only is it unfair to not like that person because of their their nationality? Equivalent. proclivity there whatever belief system other than white male heterosexual Christian It's wrong to You know to not only not like those but you have to affirm support and celebrate those things. And if you don't do that. Then you're. Then you're a racist, what's that's an entirely different definition now. Because Christian would say, I don't have to agree with your cultural practice. But I hand I hate you for that I can I cannot justify unjust hatred. I can see what you're doing and I can say God condemns that in you should turn from that sin and you should repent and put your faith in Jesus crises paid for that sin. But I don't have any justification for hating you. But According to the new morality of our era. That's not enough. In fact telling someone that they send is considered racist telling someone their cultural practice could be considered racist even though it would be in in disobedience of the word of God if that cultural practices considered simple by God. So. We've got a problem rich WHO GETS TO DECIDE How we determine what is morally correct when it comes to issues of racism sexism, etc.. Well. In this country I, guess the. Answer human answer would be well, majority gets to decide. Well, there's a problem with that too because. if I'm not mistaken back during the late thirties into the forties, what narrow country that made a decision to? Do certain things, intrigue people a certain way, and they considered that right and just, and we all know how how that turned out with the Holocaust. And I mean when when, when society is allowed to dictate the morality of a country? And the course that that country supposed to take I mean anything's open and to kind of. Put this into perspective okay. You know if this country said alright every state you got to allow homosexual marriage. Well, where does it end? What snakes? What about when one woman wants to marry two men or two men want to marry a third man I mean where does it stop if if they're going to open the door? And say, okay anything goes. What is the Stop Point I mean if you allow These people to disobey God's Word on this subject. What about the next one? What about bestiality or you going to allow people to marry their pets? I mean without God's moral compass. You know there is no in end in sight anything that you can possibly. The in when it comes to depravity. Will be legal. And and that's why it is so critical to preach the Gospel when it comes to these social issues because without the word of God and the true. Working of God on a person's heart you've May. Temporarily, change a society way of thinking or their behavior, but it will not last only thing that will last is the word of God is the only thing that ever has lasted. because. It is the basis of life. Christ will return one day and all of us that are truly sade. We'll be lifted up with him and live in an attorney to with him. In in holiness in salvation but you know. That kind of getting off point a little bit. But that's why as Christians we need to preach the gospel of saying that we don't be concerned with these issues. But nothing that we do here is going to have an everlasting effect upon the heart of man other than the Gospel and even then it's nothing that we can do all we can do. Is Be is obey Christ and be faithful to preaches word to teaches word into share his truth and the results are left upon God to save him he wants to save, and as I, see it now we're falling more and more and more into Romans one when it speaks of not only do they give a forget how it's worded it's like verse one. Twenty something. About They support in you know. Basically encourage. People to act in these ways and I think getting your Bible because I can't reach mine. In Adam for keep talking I'll see if I can find out passenger talk tonight. But you know without God's saving grace upon a heart. You know you may convince someone to act differently but unless their heart is changed by God they're not going to. Be a child of God kind of. It you you may convince a woman. That abortion is wrong. You may stop her and talk her out of having an abortion. But at, but without the changing heart work of Christ, she still going to be living in her sin she's still going to be. Living in sin and practicing sexual immorality, and she may not have an abortion but she may still be sleeping around and doing whatever it is that she was doing you know to cause her to be seeking out an abortion. That's just kind of a plane simplistic way of putting it but. You know. Still all goes back to God's moral, and in this country, those gods more allow is being eroded away to wear sexual immorality is run rampant even among American evangelicalism. I mean it used to be at a time in a place in this country that you know a woman getting pregnant out of wedlock was looked down on now accepted as normal. And then in another forty years, homosexuality is going to be accepted as normal among American evangelicalism based on the way the current trends are going. So unless we stick to the word of God and his truth and what God says in the Bible Anything's Game I mean there's no telling where this insanity trained might in. Yeah exactly the answer the question earlier the passage talking about Romans one, thirty two. Though they know God's righteous decree that those who practice practice such things deserve to die. They not only do them but give approval to those who practiced certainly defines the culture that we're. We are in now and it definitely when you stop and think about the anger and the vitriol that come from anybody who would who would say what you're doing is sinful and God. Is going to condemn it and you're GONNA be condemned to an eternal death and hell, the fishery all that comes out of that I think speaks to exactly what Romans one thirty to say they know they know God's condemns this and they are screaming loud and hard that how dare you say that because you know God has got love and God would not condemn a blah blah. Blah. And the issue is. It comes back down to. As a culture, we have rejected God's authority to establish what is morally right and wrong, and so for the Christian when we get involved if we're going to do things according to scripture. We're going to say thus say at the Lord and the problems I will say in one breath that God condemns racism which he does because as a hatred of someone if is an unjust hatred and guy condemns that. However my next. Brad. What else am I gonNa say I want to say God says abortionists Saint God. Says that homosexuality said God says that this is in God's that is why because I have to address all of those issues I can't just say let's deal solely with the issue of racism because racism is a symptom of a bigger problem. Racism is a symptom of sin, sick heart. and. So I have to point to one from one to the next the next to the next showing what God's word. What the Law of God is designed to, which is show that human heart to be wicked. So if I want to address the issue of racism if I want to address the issue of sexism bigotry or any of these other social issues I have to go to the word of God. And as soon as you do that. As soon as you as a church come out and say when you're, we are want to deal with this issue and here's the Bible you're GonNa get smacked. down. Because you you're you're GONNA get yelled at everybody believes the Bible not everybody. Can you believe what you believe? How dare you impose your beliefs on us? Yes. Racism is babble. You're saying about people is wrong. and. So that's the problem that's problem number one. And here's the thing if we abandon the biblical position, we now must there is no neutral ground there is increased in Inada. That's what the Bible says the there are two people those in Christ in those and Adam if I abandoned the sole mechanism that I have for addressing sin in this role Nestle word of gone than I am now fully in the realm of those in atom those who are condemned in their minds and hearts because they are born into sin and I am now addressing issues from their perspective and they have rock-hard. Guide hating hearts. How. On. Earth can I address an issue? That is clearly sinful such racism, for example. And not do it from the Bible but abandoned my biblical position to step into their arena Soit against the appearance that I'm attempting to address sin issue in culture. But I've got to do it from their side. I can't I abandoned the word of God. Now, if I tried to hold it I am okay with how you're dressing racism here because we KINDA SORTA agree on this issue so we can address issue here but I'm going to go back over to my position on homosexuality guess what it doesn't Matter A. Lick. What you have said about racism and how much you may have taken their side on that issue. You step back into the realm of the Bible to address another sin issue, and again you're going to get shot down. So how do we deal that I? That's the issue we to address a social justice issue from the perspective of the world we have to. We have to abandon the word of God. and. Once you do that you have no authority. You have no authority to condemn anybody of authority to address the issue. It's all perspective. Like you said rich, it's how they define it. So we've lost, we've lost the ability to address a sin issue once we step out of the realm of the Bible. So rich the other issue that I see. Is that let's let's just say for a second. That somehow through some miraculous snap of the fingers. We've addressed the issue of racism sexism bigotry, all these things. and. Son How we go back to one thousand, nine, hundred, fifty s America when you had a nuclear family and a mother and a home of father at work kid two point, five kids in school. Everybody had a house everybody had a car and. All the financial woes have been addressed. Let's say we can somehow do that. And we have addressed the social justice issues of our day. Racism is no longer a problem inequalities no longer a problem. We've managed to get people who somehow go back to Jude Judeo Christian, ethic let's just say we've accomplished that we've got another problem rich. Now we've got a nation full of people. Who really believe they're good because they've embraced. Judeo. Christian morality. We've got a huge problem. Of course, God loves. US. We obey has wall. What did we just create? Will. A country of false converts is practically like we have now accept. People would. Well either way you still have people. Justifying the sin that they're committing. Regardless of what type of Senate is and a lot of the. Heart heart since like hatred and sexual immorality, you're shoving it back in the closet you changed anyone's heart. Christ hasn't saved those people and it goes back to even now people you'll ask them pick most people will tell you. Yeah I'm a good person. and. I think a lot of people defines defined good as being nice. There's you know I would agree that there's a lot of Nice people but the Bible says none are good. And we're still at the same problem as we have now except most people. I think the problem really truly is. Among American evangelicalism. In as long as people keep it behind closed doors. Yeah. and. That's the problem we can we. Can and Effectively, create a nation. Of, works righteous people who believe that on that based on their outward morality. They are. Okay. With God. I'm going to disagree with you for just one second. Okay. referencing the fifties. For for the record, it was not nirvana like everyone thinks it is absolutely. It's been highly romanticized as being a search, but it was in truth it was far from that I've just wanted to kind of put that out there. I paint that picture because it's kind of the Norman Rockwell? Picturesque con when we won't I firmly believe when people think let's make. Their thinking of that that nineteen fifties kind of you know, Ozzie and Harriet and my three sons of leave it to beaver all these kinds of things that that's what they've gotten their mind. They've got this Norman Rockwell painting painting in their head. And that's when there's. That's what they're saying. Let's make. America. Great again. That's that. So when we look back on that. That that's what we think we're trying to get back to in my opinion. And My my view of dad is basically. Shoving sand back behind closed doors, and if we don't see it, we don't have to think about it and we don't have to address exactly. That's the problem. We can create a nation. That is a beautiful whitewashed tomb fully dead men's bones. please. Putrid disgusting and rotting on the inside. Okay. Nine hundred fifty s America, if we looked at the morality of the days. Yeah. Probably on the outward appearance, it probably was nicer. But every person in one thousand, nine, hundred, fifty s America, who was not born again in Christ. Was Justice condemned on, their way to hell. As the most out spoken. LGBT. Screaming liberal you know commit murder in the streets with through abortion. Praise. All this immorality kind of nonsense that you can imagine. We just see the outworking of today. We're just seeing it played out. That was in the heart of every person in one thousand, nine, hundred America. There was nothing different. It's just the because we've rejected the the law of God openly now. We're more free to practice it. We may look more like Sodom and Gomorrah today than we did in nineteen fifties but the heart of man was just as wicked. Sin Existed back then to. Harley Trie Fornication a daltry. All you know all these homosexuality it was it's not like it didn't it showed up on the scene nine, hundred, ninety s America. We wondered how it all got here. It was always there but as which said. Behind closed doors. So it had a veneer of. Righteousness to it. But it wasn't. It wasn't ideal. It just looked cleaner. It's. A seem to be nicer. And that's the problem that's problem number two really the bigger problem. Is that. Calling on the American people to. act. Morally let's let's stop being racist. Let's stop being unequal. Let's stop this the social immoral issue. From being a problem. Without addressing the issue of why that's happening. It's wholly inadequate. We cannot address the social evils of our day. Without addressing why that's why this big new massive protests by all these kids who got manipulated by the media manipulated by their teachers and a bunch of social leftists. Hey go walk out of your school funny thing a walkout protests should mean that you you you actually walked out and. and. We're. In opposition. To. Authority. Yet. Those kids were all excused. School sanctioned go figure. A government sanctioned walkout that that's interesting premise. But the even if that walkout actually accomplish something and the Second Amendment was ripped from the constitution today, you would still have somebody going into a school tomorrow and finding a way to kill kids why? Because you have hatred bound up in the heart of man and that man has been told that young girl that young boy has been told all their life there is no right. There is no wrong. You can do whatever you want, and then why on Earth this person killing people? Well because you told them, there's no right in want. You didn't use the Moral Authority through the Gospel. He was doing what he's. He deemed right in his own is he was doing what made him feel good and if you condemn that young man that went into that school and killed those kids if you can him for doing what made him happy. And you're. Embracing. LGBT agendas you're bracing abortion. Hi Are you any different than that young man and that's the thing? Without the moral. Fabric that is brought through the Gospel. There is no difference. There is absolutely no difference. It's all preferential without the law of God, which condemns us because we exposes who we are. Without the Gospel which changes US and gives us a new heart. There is no difference. It's all the same. It's all a matter of preference. In Christians coming in and saying act morally without the power of the Gospel to change hearts. The best you can hope for is a cleaning of the outside of the Cup while the inside is full of poison. We're not going to change things right now the look the genie's out of the Lamp Pandora has opened her box we're not getting enclosed. It's it's already out. There's only one issue. Do we want to see people not be racist not be bigoted not be sexist. WE WE WANNA see people treated equally in this cultural. Do we WANNA see the poorest of the poor lifted up and given a chance? Yes. Of course, we're not heartless. But you can't. Look all the tax with all the people who love the fact that trump did these tax cuts and Guess what without the Gospel, every CEO who is getting his benefiting from those tax cuts. So we can grow his business is still going to find a way to the system and it's still going to find a way when his company goes under to walk away to. Big. Fat Bonus. Let a lot of people waller in wallow in misery because they have nothing. Those tax cuts will do nothing to change the heart of a wicked evil CEO fires to you know plus up his bank account and he doesn't care of his people lose out. But you take a CEO who has changed by God's Gospel and is now a new creation. His desire is going to be pleased God not please bank account. Let's put it on the other foot skis me. Let's deal with the issue. The we that we wouldn't think is big problem. We we want to see people getting rich. We WanNA see people be blessed monetarily we want to see him come out of debt. Fantastic. Guess what you make an America where we deal with all the the the financial woes of this nation, we get the entire country out of debt. There will still be corrupt politicians will still be wicked nevil CEO's that will still be people who were skimming from their bosses. They'll still be people even on the lowest rungs of the ladder even if they're making better money. They're going to cut it and steal and and sheet. Because they've not been changed. Now, we don't preach the Gospel for social change, but social change comes from those who have been converted by the Gospel you take a wicked evil slave trader. WHO had no problems stuffing a ship full slaves you preach the Gospel, the him he becomes the most powerful force for ending the slave trade. The man would not quit. Why why does that happen because God takes hardest stone Removed and gives you a heart of flesh. In a nation where we have utterly rejected and I'm sorry we may say we love God but we do not know what that means in this nation. God, bless America that's just a slogan. We might as well get rid of because there is no consensus in this country on who got his I don't care how patriotic you are. I. Don't care how much you support trump. I don't care how much you vote Republican I'll bet you take a slice of that tea party Republican Party, whatever platform, and you look at the hearts of those people they are not going to agree on. God is there's a vast majority of and they will name God Jesus in name only. Because when you put it that put them to the test and you look for the fruits of the spirit, you will see nothing but the web's the flesh. All, these people who condemn homosexuality who condemn. Immoral things. How many of those guys are in women are watching porn at home? And I'll bet you money some of his homosexual porn. Don't tell me. That we can change the moral fabric of this nation outside of the Gospel we can't. Have one answer to the moral degradation. It is re exposing the heart of man to the law gone. So it drives people to the cross. We're not going to solve the problems of the social issues in America by jumping into the boat of those who have rejected God in the first place. So. That's that's my answer to that. That brief question on twitter rich as we. AS WE WRAP THIS UP To say as whereas closing things down. In Close L. Just say that if you listen to this show and if it's helped you at all and if you don't take anything else away, please take this away. Protesting CNN. Will. Not. Cure the problem the only cure. Is The gospel of Jesus Christ because that is the only light in this dark dark nation today. Amen. Amen Folks. We thank you for being with us. We pray that this program has been helpful to you. Folks. We're GonNa ask you something that we don't. Try to promote our show in a sense of we're doing it for hits. But as as rich said, if this program was helpful tonight and I, ask you to share it as much as you can. On. We continue to encounter people the we know via social media who simply don't know that we have a podcast and we share it on social media and the pro here's the problem with social media. Unless you spend every waking minute of every day. Or. Spend an awful lot of time programming some. Social Networking Platform. To rapid fire out these these posts. It doesn't get seen. Except for the people who are looking right at the moment, you post it or maybe they scroll a little further down and they happen to see it. And so I was teasing someone earlier this week. who had named another podcast for someone they should listen to you and I said promote there's. Like wait you have podcast. And let me say this sad thing is this is some of these people are people that Chris and I both have friends with on social media for years and have not come across and. Neither of her postings about the show. Exactly. So we don't live on social media even though sometimes it seems like we can And so without some sort of it crew to help us or without folks to program the Social Media Platform. Systems to post stuff out. We don't get as much reach as we would like to not because we want to grow the numbers like I said, but we we want to impact people that's why we do it. You know and so if you find this helpful. Please, share it. Recommend it to. People. 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"Good evening, everyone welcome to voice of reason, radio your host Chris. Han holds and richer story joining us on this Monday. I said Monday if normally we do this on a Saturday, but things were a little hectic this weekend, and so we were We're joining you today on Monday June twenty second We are just a couple of days late. We apologize told you it might happen, but we were still going to do and and We're just grateful to be with you tonight, Grateful that our Internet is working because trying to pray at the beginning before the show began. skype told me out of bed. Interconnect connection, which is very unusual. I don't normally get that with charter cable so. I'm just grateful. That stayed connected and we didn't lose each other. So how are you this week rather? Far better than I deserve. Amen and I I can't. Even I can't even be. It would take. This show in two thousand more to explain that in full detail, but I'm far better than I deserve and. And I will say this because I. Posted a prayer request on facebook and on twitter. Over the weekend. My youngest granddaughter had a major health emergency. Thursday night that actually required her to be airlifted to end of the state to a pediatric hospital because of some things that happened, but thankfully. The. Lord showed mercy and Grace and She she got, she got to go home Saturday and She's back to full health and wide open. Just like any nine month old would be and I. Just wanted to think everyone that prayed. For her safety, and for Lord's blessings, and mercy's on this baby for her full recovery, and at the moment brother I I'm. I'm still. Not necessarily I can say all stroke but I. don't really know how to. Put, it in words to how thankful and grateful I am to the Lord for the mercy and grace his shown upon my granddaughter and my daughter and her entire family for the last five days I think. Since Thursday. I've matured and I've learned about ten years worth seeing. That amount of time Amen Amen Yeah. I think those are the things that in these chaotic times we need to cling to you very very tightly. with we serve an amazing and wonderful. God and I think in ice. Speak for myself on this I think it's very very easy to get lost in the chaos and to know intellectually God is in control, but to apply that to your heart and life. Sometimes it's very difficult and seeing things like this where God protected the life of your granddaughter, and gave wisdom to the people that treated her and provide for your family such amazing way. that. Those are those precious promises that we can cling to, and that's not to say. 'cause I'm sure there are those who what about what? What would you say if if she didn't make it God? Is Good and God is still just, and God is still kind. But. He shows his kindness sometimes in amazing ways and the fact that. You know that she's still here that she's you know. The doctors took care of her and provided for her We are just grateful to to see those things so brother I'm glad your family's okay I'm glad everything is is good to go. Thank you, folks for those prayers we do appreciate it and That is why we weren't able to record Saturday. Because obviously, things were a little bit chaotic so we thank you for your patience and again, thank you for those prayer so We're actually it was. It's kind of funny. We typically try to come up with a show topic and the. First Ten fifteen minutes bantering and I just threw this out at richest as well. Let's just banter for the whole show. That sounds a little sillier than it should, but I actually had an idea of we. Typically, we'll try to do some kind of preparation heavy topic that we agree upon, and you know that will more often than not mean that we're. You'll were spitballing the same ideas. You know kind of coming up with the same same direction. We're going It occurred to me rich and I think you like the sound of this. Just because well, this is different. There's so much going on in our lives. There's so much going on in the world around us. Sometimes, it's very difficult to just pick a topic and so for me. What I thought would be interesting to do is just take a couple of topics, peace and Kinda put them out there and just you know, have a conversation, unprepared, unscripted and and just kind of round. Robin it a little bit. As. We would, if you were sitting down with a friend face to face and talking about different topics, I think that's good for us to kind of. Do those things once in a while? One! It made it a lot easier to be. You know I didn't have to prep a Lotta show notes, but that's just me being lazy. But I just thought it was it. One, of the great mediums, that we have with a podcast, or with video, or with with the the Internet is that we can just talk to people and I thought meal. Let's let's do that. Let's just have conversations tonight and see where it takes us so you WANNA. DO WE WANNA? Flip a coin. You WanNa. Go first you want I. How do we want it? Is as you were saying that something. was brought back to my mind that I learned over the weekend kind of like. Just throw this out and just let it go from there. I think I think we've actually discussed it on the show. And I. Don't remember exactly which episode it was, but I remember it being said before that you know when we asked Lord to save someone. We know we're a family member. often times we pray for that salvation, but we're not necessarily prepared. For the means by which the Lord Works is facing or his mercies, and in in my in my case since this is just. You know a couple of days old one thing that over the last several weeks I I had been praying for. Is that the Lord increase the faith in me and my family, and in my you know my children and I think possibly this may have been. Partly a answer to that prayer is to increase our faith. And I have to admit I was not prepared for the means by which. That came about you know a lot of times we will pray for revival. We will pray for. A circumstance. To, be you know come to to a conclusion. And in this case you know, pray for faith, but I think more times than not we never truly fit back or step back and look at the entire picture and realize that. The Lord does answer prayers, but more times than not. It's in a way that we may not necessarily have had planned out in our mind. And I think. You take a look at what's going around going on around the country today. And I've seen this for years. People talking about praying for revival in this country. But. Were they, prepared. To. Endure the means by which God. Would work that revival through the country because in our day and age. I think we may be living in a time where hearts hardened more so than many other times in history. And it's not a from my experience and things that I've witnessed in in my Christian, Walk. when it comes to revival or conversion of a very very very stubborn. Cold hearted stone-hearted. unsaved individual lords going gonNA crush that person to dust in order to rebuild to start rebuilding that person in his image and you know we can't see into the future. We don't know what tomorrow's only God does. But that is one prayer that I have. As a result of what's currently going on in our country that God's preparing hearts for salvation. And we need to keep in mind that you know as terrible and heart is, everything may seem whether it's what's going gone and Culture Society for society or in our own life as Christians we have to remember to be. Faithful to trust in the Lord, but above all else, we need to remember to give thanks to Christ. Through all circumstances, just like verse Thesselonians Chapter. Five tells us to to give thanks in all circumstances. And I think a lot of times when we're reacting to what's going on around us whether it's politics society, you know things that work things at home. You know bad relationships with spouses or relatives or pulses or coworkers whatever the case may be. I think if we would stop in the midst of times when we're the most stressful and possibly times when we're very angered or saddened over what's going on if we can stop and think and remembering, give thanks to Christ for the mercies in the grace, and the blessings that he is granted to us, not only ones that we know, but also those that we never know about because how many times over the course of a week has. Does the Lord Grant Mercy and grace to us? We're. We're never aware of where maybe you know that split second. If we're the left earlier or later, we may have been in a car accident or whatever the case may be i. just would like to take this moment to encourage all of our listeners to live a life and Thanksgiving to Christ and to remember to thank you not only for the gifts and mercy's that we know about, but for also all of the Times that is granted us. Mercy and grace that we don't know about. And that's kind of where I wanted to lead off from. A man and you know it's funny because You said at the beginning you you had prayed for. You. Know help increase our faith, and then you. You know you not expecting this weekend to happen, then it's like you that that prayer is put to the test. Makes me think of I had to go. Look it up real quick mark, nine, twenty, three to twenty five. Where you have the father who has come to Jesus with his son saying you know he's got, he's got this evil spirit, and Jesus in it says in Verse Twenty Three. and Jesus said to him if you can, all things are. All things are possible. One Who believes immediately the father of the child cried out, and said I believe help my Unbeliev. And when Jesus saw that a crowd came running running together, he rebuked the unclean spirits, saying to it immune desperate I come I command you. Come out of him and never enter him again and I think that father's prayers like I believe it's I came to you. You know Because of this. But help my unbeliev that that moment of there's there's doubt will God really do. Will he really take care of my son will? He rebuked this unclean spirit, and Jesus says if you believe all things are possible, he says help my Unbeliev and I think as Christians sometimes we've we just forget that that God uses those moments like you say to test us to try to purify us and to cause us to even admit even though we say we have faith, and this is where I struggle as a as a as a Christian and it's just a person in general as I can know things, but you put me in the midst of the issue. And what I know goes out the window, and what I you know, it's somebody kind of put it this way once it's like. If you squeeze to a toothpaste, what should come out should be toothpaste or when you squeeze Christian what should come out and. As you know as God as my witness far too often, it's not Christ it comes out. It's it's. It's the worldly things that I've been impacted by that I've been formed by over the you know forty six years of my life and I think you model that when you say you, you ask for more faith in guy goes well. Here's a chance. Let me! Show you where your faith needs to be. kind of like in the in the account when the disciples were in the boat during the storm, in Christ was asleep on the pillow, and they started screaming and crying to him. And he you know. He woke up and he calmed the storm, but it's like as Christians more times than not. We're in that boat screaming and yelling for him, and and we forget that Christ is right there in the storm with us. and we like you said we tend to forget that. You know regardless of what's going on or what we're enduring. He is there. And the Bible makes clear that you know regardless. Of our faith, he will remain safe foam, and and I. Think a lot of times you know. When we're going through the midst of storm of any type, and just like you said and I and I struggle I. Have that same. And I think if there's a Christian that says. That you know they're never impacted by anything there either a fool or liar because. You know that that is the Christian life is to endure hardships and trials. To refiners to make us more. Like Christ to sanctify us here on earth. And that's one of the huge problems with all this. You know American evangelicalism, the false Christianity, the prosperity preachers, and all the other. Millions of different types of false gospels out there. That's one thing. They never stress is that. You are going to be tested. You are going to go through the fire. You will be in the storm, but Christ will be there to to get you through it. that's what sets true Christianity apart. All the others want to try to talk about you know whether it's physical blessings or you know health, blessings or whatever else. But Biblical Christianity is all about. Leaning on and depending on Christ in and you know. As as Christ, said, pick up across the following me daily, sadly, within most of American evangelicalism, instead of picking up their cross, following him daily. The best they can do is wear cross around their neck on a little bitty chain, and usually that's too heavy for them. Know Sadly, that's that's far too often the case, I think we. We sadly misunderstand the purpose and of of prayer and the purpose that God has for us in these things. I. I've often described it this way as we and I think stolen this from someone else so my forgiveness let me ask forgiveness ahead of time, but it's we sometimes tree prayer kind of like okay, what I want. Is this thing in a spiritual vending machines? So if I do this many kinds of prayers in this kind of way, then that's kind of like putting the right spiritual change in and I'll get the product that I want and I think we've misunderstand. Scripture clearly tells us to come to and bring our burdens to Christ that we to cast our cares upon him, because he cares for us or pet Castro anxieties upon him for cares for us, but that doesn't mean that God is then going to just say. You'RE NOT GONNA. Have this problem anymore? The prayer is US bringing that to him, but then resting in the knowledge that we serve this amazing mighty God who is our provider who is? The one who has saved us who is our Lord? Who is sovereign over all things? And then we can trust no matter which way you know. This thing ends up going that he's in complete control and so we. We forget that prayer, isn't us. Bringing prayer to him isn't just trying to get that spiritual vending machine to work the way we wanted to. It's about. Changing ourselves humbling ourselves coming before God because he's the Almighty God, he's worthy of praise. He's worthy of all reverence, and then knowing that we bring our request to him and I think he uses circumstances like what happened to you guys this weekend to remind us of those things, and as you said, it's often those things that will bring about salvation Y-. Talking about what's going on in the world right now. I mean utter chaos. I mean it is insanity. You know we we are watching. You'll people literally. I was telling this to someone today. We have people who claim that they are anti anti-fascist, and they are doing the things that the Nazis and the fascist did. In order to take control and have a revolution it's it's very very bizarre. ignorant, very ignorant of history and yet still think they're on the right side of history very interesting, but God is using this house. He using that I think he's you know we as Americans have been so prideful about who we are as Americans. The God says, let me show you. How just how valuable? Is In my estimation as far as a nation goes, and he takes his hands off this idol that we've worshiped for so long, and he says let me show you what it actually is. It is a nation full of sinners, reprobates and you know. Absolutely debased people let me just pull my hands of restriction away or restraint away and show you what you really are. and. We are watching the very fabric of society in so many places just be ripped asunder. and. Some of US may look at that, and we'll God what. Why aren't you helping us? We're crying out to you. I think there's a certain aspect of that I, think he is I think he's showing us what? This nation really has been built upon for the last several decades, and that is absolute. I I'd dollar tree. And he you know it's Paul Washer that said not long ago and he took a lot of heat as I recall. That, you know, he said they're you know they're gonNA. Come for your children. They're gonNA. Come after you. They're going to. You know they're. They're going to persecute you. They're going to think they're doing this wonderful thing in in in. Their you know they're. They're serving God. He says, and it's all going to be over things like Homo, sexuality and gender and all this stuff. And That's what you need to be prepared for this because that's what they're coming for, and he's and then he made says this uses understand that. Periods of great revival, almost always come after periods of persecution and and attacks against the church, so we sit here and go bring revival bring revival! We want this big billy Graham type event to happen. And yet history shows US revival happens when God it allows persecution to come when God allows the reprobate minds of a nation to come against the church, and you can be sure that's what's GonNa. Come next. I've already seen people who share that will with all this going on? Let's talk about toxic Christine. It was Phil Johnson and others shared a person who's totally sold out to the not okay I'm GonNa say this and it's going to be in trouble. The black lives matter movement I mean not not the idea that. Men and women who are of a certain Melanin concentration of a certain ethnic background, not that their lives matter, that's a biblical thing because they are created in the image and likeness of God, that's Biblical I should care about people who whatever their color of their skin, and if it's a person or a group of people who've gone through a very difficult time than I should really care about the things that adult had to deal with. The, movement! The latter Mouton's black lives matter movement the the one where the founder admits she's a trained Marxist. This person claims that she's a Christian, but doesn't go to church claims that she's a Christian and doesn't believe the Bible claims that she's a Christian and says evangelism is violence. He'll Phil Johnson shares. This and people are eating this up not to Phil Johnson shared it, but that this per- this person who claims to be Christian, and was you know having a complete spat with somebody that was taken to task theologically. That's going to happen and God is showing us that the you know the the this idolatry that's happening. He showing us that through these things I believe. One evidently clear and becoming more clear among American evangelicalism, far more people are living through this world, instead of doing his Christ commanded, seek first the Kingdom of God, and then these things will be added to you. and. That is becoming evidently clear because. All, these people that claim to be Christian, they're not seeking his kingdom, thinking that they're seeking their own kingdom and wanting to create a nation in in a in a way that they deem most fit. For their ideology. And you have. And I don't know how many times article has popped up on social media feeds. Tried on purpose to limit myself lately, but. All of these you know white quote. Unquote Christians kneeling to black people apologizing for being white. And my my only way that I can think to describe it. Is They are? Lego, Christians, L. E. G. O. Lego Christians because they click and snap and fall in line in fit right in with what the world and society is telling them today they are not living for Christ. They're wanting to conform. They're wanting to fit in with society. Whether, their motives are financial or Something otherwise on, and we see it within especially right now within the SBC. They've jumped. Full on board this entire, beal ill movement because. Honestly it all comes down to whether it is an industry or product or corporation, or in this case the Southern Baptist Convention. They are pandering to certain group of individuals for their own greed, and their own means without ever being truly concerned about the souls of those people that are actually in the midst of doing the rioting and everything else. That's been going on, and you know there's fourteen million different conspiracy theories out there of what's going on. But the truth remains that if you profess to be a Christian. You should be more concerned about the souls of those individuals and be out sharing the gospel with them, instead of arguing and getting upset over some statue, being toppled over. You're more concerned about that statue. Being destroyed, they knew are the souls of the people destroying those statues. You need to step back and do some real soul searching and examine yourself to make sure that you're even in the faith because I think the American pastime today is arguing I. think that is what people love to do more than anything else, and instead of seeking God's kingdom, instead of sharing the Gospel instead of. Of living a life of thanksgiving, instead of living light Paul and expecting the return of Christ. At any moment, they're more concerned and WANNA getting arguments and debates over this statue or that statue when it when the truth is when it comes to eternity, none of these statues, none of these flags, nothing else is going to matter other than the fact of whether this person was given the gift of salvation or not. Amen Amen. And I I I'm sorry. I chuckled, but yeah, you're right I do believe one of. The greatest pastimes of of Americans. Especially online is is is arguing and not arguing in the classical sense were we're making sound reasoned arguments, but where? Did you but I, just eating each other about the head neck. That, would you know there's a difference between the debate and arguing and conversation yeah? And the vast majority of American. Professing Christians. The, first one to arguing because I've seen so many professing Christians, get mixed up in some of these arguments about the statue or the flag or Gun Rights or you know Cova head or wearing a mask or whatever else? That, they've completely have gotten sucked in to the trump that devil said. That's what he wants US doing. He wants his divided. He wants his arguing and fussing and and. Getting all worked up over. I'm sorry. And I will take the heat for this solely. Over something as ridiculous as a statue. If you will to tear down the statue or statues taking down. Take them down because it does not mean anything when it comes to the reflection of eternity. Yeah, I'm more worried about the salvation of the person parents that you down than I am. The actual statue being tore down. and. Truth be known most. Statues of individuals in this country at some point in time in the history of their life year. Just about every one of them. You're gonNA find something negative or something sinful that those individuals did. you know that's the problem we we tend to lift up and look to our quote. Unquote heroes instead of looking up in the elevating and proclaiming Christ's yeah, and that is one of our main problems. Today were more worried about what's going on around us that we see in the two inches in front of our eyes, and we are worried about the salvation and the Gospel being proclaimed in going forth. which is the only thing that will turn this nation around and? That! This nation was ever completely dedicated to God. In past times, it was more moral than it is now. But even morality doesn't save you only Jesus Christ. Is GonNa save you and when you look at everything going on around us in the light of eternity, what really matters? It's only eternity, yeah. No absolutely I absolutely agree with you, and I'll say this I see value in having debates over whether or not this is healthy as a nation for ripping down statues, because statues are representative, our of our history, and those who want that Wanna be revolutionaries and create a whole new government, and and and allow for to Atallah -Tarian Ism. They want to radically history and I think there's an appropriate place for those discussions. I think like you said there has to be prioritization. What am I more concerned with him I concern solely with the history solely with the tearing down the statue solely with the the constitutionality at certain things, or am I more concerned about the well-being of a person's soul. Who is caught up in this belief system and that's where I think as Christians. We should be different from the world. We absolutely I think it's I think it's living in this nation having a voice in this nation, I think it's appropriate to talk about those things, but do so with the light of eternity in the fact that we are temporary citizens in. In this nation that there's a time con. We're not going to be here anymore and yes -olutely and yes, yes, our grandchildren are gonna live here. Their grandchildren are gonNA live here. What's IT GONNA? Look like I I think those are appropriate conversations I don't have an issue with that, but put them in the right perspective, because the reality is historically speaking. This this nation is not going to exist the way it is now you know the way it was two hundred years ago is not going to be what it's like now, and it's not going to be like what it's like now is not going to be what it is. Two Hundred Years From now, if God let's earth, continue to spin. Personally I'm starting to think. Maybe there is something. You're it gets worse before Christ comes back I I don't know, but you know twenty twenty sure is giving a giving us a giving a post. millennials in Orland hills run for their money. Let. Let me let me. I've been on that. What we have to remember though is if we are actually students of history, which I claim to be I I love history I. Love Reading about history. I love studying history also I love studying old military battle plans and strategies I think partly that's because I love to play chess I'm not very good at it, but I love to play it. But you know when when it when we look what's going on now. We think the sky's falling. If you study history. This is not the first time. This station in particular face these type of obstacles. You look during world, War Two the bombing of. Pearl Harbor if you look at The Great Depression if you look at all the riots and What went on during the the late sixties and early seventies about Vietnam the civil rights movement. This is just mirroring, maybe a little more intense than what has gone on before. We tend to forget that you know at times. During different times of history, people living in thought well this is it? This is the end of the world just like kind of what you were putting in perspective with that, but you know we we. We still seem to forget that. It's all by God's design. And all of it is by God's plan, and he already knows what tomorrow holds because he is the creator of tomorrow and time is. TIME MEANS NOTHING TO CHRIST. He knows everything. Up until when he returns from beyond then, but one thing I wanted to touch on real quick. What you something you were saying. About the arguing part I have seen. Christians. Being well. They. Were non-christians asking this question? And it was in reference to like these people tearing down statues, and you know breaking laws and rioting and they were. Directing this question to an individual that had been. Advocating for Christians to disobey the law and have church anyway during the whole covert lockdown, and the question was what gives you what gives you the right to to be able to choose the fact that you're gone to break that law, but then you turn around and condemn me for breaking this law. Why is it the law that you're breaking? Okay, but it's wrong for me to do this. And Christians. We need to remember. We're here to set an example for the rest of the world, so we need. We need to always be careful in what we say and act. For the benefit of those that are unsafe we need to be. Sharing the truth in love is Christ commands, but we're also to be a light to this world and win. We're advocating the breaking of certain laws because it has interfered with our little comfort zone, because this country has become complacent in its comfort, and sadly Christians have become extremely complacent in their comfort, and then things going the way that they want and expect it to. You know what kind of example is that setting when we're saying in advocating break this law, but then we turn around you know a month later and working in these other people for breaking the different law. Yeah does that make sense? And I can understand where some people were. Because we talked about that particular subject on this show, there was one question you brought up. It's like at what point. Do we as do the churches begin to say okay, we're. We're now being prohibited from doing what. tells us to. At what point do we cross from? We're being Romans thirteen into an hour to acts four and I. Think there's a valuable discussion in there. But part of the problem is is that you know the the world outside of us? Is it going to understand that and we have you know if we're going to make those choices? We're GONNA have to be able to articulate it and the world. We're going to have to trust that God is going to deal with that issue. Whether the world understands it's not so if tomorrow it. Let's just say the Kobe. Crisis was over tomorrow. which honestly at a lot of us are still debating that but. And even I've started to e for a while now had started to push away from the the amount support that I gave those. Those those making those decisions it's it's becoming clear that there's more and more effort on the part of a lot. Especially the leftist government officials to push to use this as a means of control, but especially in certain states. Oh Good! Did you see it more prevalent? Some states than you do others absolutely if you gotTA. If you've got a blue state, you're seeing a lot more control going on than in a red state. But that being the case you know. As we've gone further into this, the question becomes. Are we being? Are we in enacts for situation? If we're if we if we legitimately believe were in an actual situation than yes, we take would be. We'd be prepared to take our lumps the a lot of the debate around what you were talking about with simple about well religious rights religious rights well, there's a lot of countries that don't have religious rights and their meeting churches and secret, because you're going to go to prison if you do or you're going to be shot and killed if you do so. What is what is the real thing that you wanted to? You know be known for is going to be a church. That's all about the constitution, and and our First Amendment or we church dedicated to Jesus Christ, and if we if we take a hit for disobeying the government, because we believe we were, it was. commanded us to honor God then. We need to be able to articulate that and I think that you know if we can do. Do that then when someone says well, why are you against me? Breaking this off your breaking that law well, let me explain to you. The difference see I'm honoring God in so much as he told me that I have to do these things. And when the government comes in and says you can't do them. We're GONNA shut that down I. Say whether it's right for me to obey God or man. You decide, but for me I'm going to. To be gone in your case, however God has commanded you not to do those things you're not to steal. You're not to destroy. You're not to take from someone else. You're not to covet and God gives no provision for you to do that in any way shape or form whether you think it's right or wrong whether you agree or disagree with the certain government system. You don't ever have a right to break God's law. That's the difference and I. I think we have to be willing to make those distinctions, and if we're going to be doing them doing them in such a way that we're showing that we're doing it for the glory of God. Not because I'm concerned per se about my religious rights and I think that's where the difference lies and we. I think sometimes we get caught up in that. We get caught up in the conservatism. We get caught up in the the constitutionalism which. Again I'm going to say. There's an appropriate place for those discussions, but as a church. What is our biggest concern in that is our is what we are doing. Is it glorifying Jesus Christ is it pointing people to him? I think that has to be the motivation for anything we do. One thing I hope that the vast majority of professing, Christians. Take Away! You can take nothing else away that they take away from this whole covert lockdown is how how? How valuable and how much? How grateful they should be for living in a country that they can attend church in open without fear of. Being put in jail or killed a hope. American traditions. Actually because of covid actually value church attendance. Like they truly should hopefully that if if they learn nothing else is, that is A. Very very treasured, very valuable thing that God has gifted to us, but They need to also look beyond their own home. Look beyond their own comfort in their on wants because I'm still sing. I saw today professing Christians Griping and complaining, going off on these tyrod about their local government, requiring them to wear a mask in public. and. They're they're going on and on about. You know I shouldn't have to do this is violating. My rights got news for you. Within the discipline within the disabled community that I'm a member of and disabled people. That I tried to help council. Do you know how many of them? If they actually had the ability to leave their home and go to Walmart if it meant them having to wear masks, you know how thankful they would be to be able to do that. QUIT! And I and I'm guilty of this, but quit taking so many things for granted. That's what I was trying to admonish. Ever wanted to beginning of this show. Be Thankful for what the Lord has blessed you with because what happened to the Israelites Wandering through the Wilderness? They grumbled, they complained. They moaned. They groaned. What does the lower due to? Force them to wander the Wilderness. For an entire generation. We Are you know that. Passage about giving thanks in all circumstances. There's so many other passages about being thankful Jesus. Talk you know base in I'm going to butcher the scripture, so please forgive me. He said so what if you're wronged? Turn the other cheek you know I can't remember exactly what versus chapter but I. Think you know the. Somewhat no, the passage that I'm trying to recall. You know he, he said so. What if we're where if you're wrong? you know, forgive your brother, yeah but Also that. Another one I wanted to point out was from I s alone after five see that none render evil for evil to any man, but ever followed that which is good, both among yourselves into all men and everything give thanks for this is the will of God in Christ, Jesus concerning verse eighteen Romans twelve eighteen, if possible so far as it depends on, you live piece of piece of glee with all and. Are Major. Scripture verses that we forget daily. We get so easily caught up in what's going on in politics and and and social justice, and all these other distractions we lose our focus on what should be our first, and only true love, and is the word Jesus Christ. Yeah, no, absolutely and I, mean there. We have to remember as you said. We got to put things in that. Eternal perspective. Again, can we talk about? Face Masks. Do we think it's right? Yeah, it's. It's fine to have that conversation I don't think either rich or I would advocate that you can't ever have these conversations, but if your whole fixation. Is. This is unconstitutional. How dare they and that's all you're spending your time on. Are! You really looking at this from an internal perspective. Are you really looking at this? From Godly perspective as rich, said okay, it's inconvenient for me. It's a pain in the backside for me, but there are some people that this about going to be the only way they get out because they are concerned about their health, and yes, you know I heard that phrase and I and I tend to have some support for it well. If you WANNA be afraid, that's fine. Don't make me do what I don't when I'm not afraid. Don't make me do this. I get that and those are. Those are discussions that we can have. But ultimately, if it is about as rich, pointed out, you know as much as it depends on you live peaceably with all men I think that's one of the mistakes which that we sometimes make is that we don't think about the command that we have to live peaceably with all men that sometimes that means making compromises on our end of things when you know, Jesus says for example when. When we're insulted to turn the other cheek when we're when we're compelled to carry someone's burden, a mile we go to Those were insults that you could beat endure under Roman rule and you weren't to. Just you know. Make a stink about I shouldn't have to do these things, or I shouldn't have to endure your insult rather. We you know you were commanded by Christ to endure them. And that demonstrated that your dedication was not to yourself and your. Offense as to whether or not. that was more important, but we're wore that you were more concerned about serving Christ, and if that meant enduring. The offense did that's what you did. And sometimes think as Christians because we we live in this nation where we are a even now and I know there are people with argue with me on this. Even now we are still a rather free nation. I understand a lot of our liberty. Sir Curtailed and there's a lot to come that I'm still concerned about. But, we are still relatively free. At this time. We still can do things that other nations cannot. We forget that we're blessed with that and that we don't have a right to that per. Se because we are owned by God and God can choose to put us anywhere under any circumstances that he chooses and our our. Our loyalty and our commitment to. And so sometimes. I think we get a little caught up in that. and and I'll say this. You know this is kind of where we're one of the things. It was on my mind this this last couple of weeks. I don't really get into my particular career field as I've said before for for obvious reasons as a Christian doing a podcast. If I speak as someone having a law enforcement background, someone can easily go run to my employer and say he's speaking as. Your representative so I tend to not want to put my employer in that particular position. But. You know my background. You also know what's being said. Being done to that particular career field right now in the name of quote justice, the idea of people you know that If you wear that particular uniform, you must be evil incarnate and believe me when I say just having discussed it online. There are people who have attempted who know me from nothing who attempted to Shane me. and. You call me all kinds of names. Just because I spoke with regard to that topic as someone who has a background That's been propagated left and right to the point that stupid companies like a toy company like Lego. Is like yeah, there must be something wrong with police were not going to. We're not going to advertise that. We sell police related. Lego toys I mean that really is not. It's insensitive. Say Go ahead. It's not it's not that they actually think there's something wrong with selling police toys is the fact they're wanting to pander. Is this particular segment of the public? Because they're too scared of losing one sale, they're more worried about their profit line than anything else, but one thing real quick I want to backtrack on when you were quoting scripture verses just kind of put it in think of of marriages. How much better would so many marriages be if they applied those? Principles by Christ about enduring and suffering and loving but I'll I'm sorry I just wonder looking. At when other one main thing I wanted to point out, but I think you're actual leading up to it for me so. On I just want to interject that about the OH. Yeah, no, no, I absolutely agree with you. My point I guess what I was getting at is that that reinforces that mindset? Hey, look. Even Lego won't even touch them so that you know that and I actually saw people that said that. They're like Oh. Good. Make sure you stop selling their stuff. They're evil. That's those were almost. That's almost direct quote. You know bit paraphrase, but you know they're terrible. You need to not sell their toys at all. And and so it reinforced that notion that that's what Lego and other companies were doing. When you take the programs that have been aired for thirty plus seasons off the Air because well, you know we, don't we? It's it's a sensitive topic and we're just GONNA now. Cancel that show. You know that that puts a really big target on people who work in that field because now everyone. For the sake of as you say, a particular group of people and I'm not GonNa say an ethnic group of people I've talked about a group of people across all ethnicities who have now come to the conclusion. We're all evil, and therefore we must be punished in some way, and you have leftist governments say Ooh an opportunity to finally achieve what I want. LemMe limit these guys in always possible and coming up with some of the most foolish notions about how you would handle the problems that police have to deal with Oh. We'll just get. Social workers and counselors. I assure you if you send a social worker out to a violent scene, where a man has been hurting his wife, and he's intoxicated and she's. She just wants him to stop hurting him. She doesn't want him to go away. She doesn't want to go to a safe place. She just wants him to stop hurting her. Trust me. You're going to need somebody with some authority there. You're going to need somebody WHO's willing to put his life on the line to protect people and that individual. Who's afraid that her husband will be taken away? She sometimes becomes violent. But. The notion that these things could be accomplished for leftist CLAPTRAP is insanity and yet they start. They start. They start sending social workers to do law enforcement jobs. They better be ready for one thing. They better start increasing the number bodybags that keep on hand well, those social workers are going to be killed, and that's the sad truth about it We had a deputy here in Nevada who, with other deputies responded to a domestic violence call. They arrive on seeing. The wife is outside. They're talking to her. The husband's in the house. The deputy goes to the door to talk to him. The man raises a gun and next thing you know gunfires at being exchanged, and both the husband who was the alleged batterer and the deputy are now deceased. Feeling how many times how many times does it end up and I have family in law enforcement enough purdy stories, many times that don't own a situation like that. Where maybe the husbands beating the wife next thing you know the wife and the husband both have turned on the law enforcement officer and your vote beating onto to. Law Enforcement Office and that's the reality of the situation. Is that too? Many people don't understand they don't understand what law enforcement does they, don't they? Just they get what they've seen from television or from movies or from books or from blogs or youtube videos, they don't understand the nature of the work itself, and what is frustrating to me and this is where this all comes back to around A. Having to remember and have an eternal perspective, and remembering who I belong to. I belong to Christ I'm not I'm not a law enforcement officer who happens to be a Christian I am a Christian who is a law enforcement officer. and. That's where I have to have this attornal perspective and I'll tell you it has been A. A massive struggle, my pastor will tell you how much of a struggle because he's had to keep tabs on me recently and I think him for that by the way very much so. Very grateful for my pastor. But when when the even the Evangelical Church and I say it that way because I don't want to say that that the true Bryant Christ I'm GonNa say the Evangelical Church at large jumps on board with that. And begins to say well. We have to believe the stories and the and the experiences of the people who've encountered these things. I want to stop every one of them and shake him by the neck and go. What are you saying? I'm not saying when I say that. I'm not saying there aren't experiences that are absolutely legitimate. You know as I will say that I will steal a line from my brother Tony Miano. Law Enforcement Draws from the same fallible pule pool of humanity that every other career field has so. We're GONNA. have bad apples. We're going to have sinful men and women who do simple things and I want them to be held accountable Mando I wanted to be held accountable I. Don't want cover it up I. Don't WanNa push aside. I WANNA held accountable. You know there's there's no reason in the world that I shouldn't want that because it just makes the job harder if we protect people who do bad things, because now everybody sees that and everybody sees them. Get Away with it and everybody. believes it to be true, and now everybody's blamed with it and so believe me when I say it's I. Don't want bad people wearing the badge I just don't. But when we turn around and say well, we have to believe the stories and the and the experiences of people who claim this. Then I want to ask the question will. What is the standard by which we determine the experience to be true? Because I can tell you story after story after story of someone who's accused me of being a bad you know law enforcement officer because I I. Actually did my job i. hold someone accountable, but they didn't like that and so obviously I must be a terrible person because I didn't do Xyz or I know other officers who work the streets and have traffic patrol, and you're pulling people or you just pulled me over because you have nothing better to do. You pulled me over because. You have quoted affiliate. Pull me over because you're sexist or your. You pulled me over because I had a fancy car. And you WANNA, punish me the those things happen. Those and a lot of times. People will say that with every bit of sincerity. They actually believe it. It is part of their experience. The reason this officer did what they did is because that officer must have a particular bent, and so they're anti-woman their anti-rich. They're they're. They're a terrible person who just wants to quota and the reality. Is the officers just trying to do his job? And he's getting be rated by individuals. who think that there's a? an affair purpose behind the contact, so my question them becomes. Are there, people who have been profiled because of the particular shade of skin and they were, there was no legitimate reason for stop knowledge. Yes, happens and guess what I want. Those people held accountable, but if everyone believes that the reason that they were contacted by the police of the reasonable officer, spoke roughly to them or the reason, the officer handle the situation they did. It was strictly because of skin color. Where are we drawing the line for? Truth where where is the object objectivity? Because the officer also has an experience, the officer says you Samuel Samuel Say I. Love His article and I'll put it in. The show notes He wrote an open it kind of an letter to law enforcement and it and I told him it's not fair making me cry. Okay, not fair to make and I still. Stand by this. Hammock wasn't fair. But He put in their his experience in which case he was stopped by law enforcement. And it was on the basis of his appearance. And they were trying to find somebody and come to find out the reason he was stopped was not simply because by the way Samuel. Say as a black man. It was not because he was black because he matched the physical description. Of someone who had been involved in an assault. So here, give you a quick lesson. A man, a guy steals his wallet and runs down the Street Matt. Neal a victim calls the cops and says. white guy. I've maybe twenty five years old dark hair why? Six foot, tall red shirt blue pants that that's that's what he remembers through the tears as he gets after he got punched in the face. So the call goes out and every six foot, white guy with dark hair, red shirt and blue pants becomes a suspect. Okay, and so every every person in that area matching that description get stopped because they're trying to figure out who that is. That's a generic description that goes out. And yet, there are a lot of people who say well. That's racial profiling. You can't do it when. You flip the melon count and you say it's a person of a particular ethnic background. And that's racial profiling and it's evil in there for you shouldn't do it. I get why people say those things because they have a perception that law enforcement is only doing it for that reason because that's kind of the narrative gets pushed out there, but that is oftentimes not the case, and so my question is to those within the you know the big evangelical. Elite status who said we have to believe? These accounts whose story gets believed is the officer who says this is why I did what I did it or is it? The person will ahead to have been because of my sex. My ethnic background my my financial status because it a quota. Whose experience gets. The gets to be. Determined is true. And that's why I get frustrated. I understand that when we have legitimate cases. Of Officers, acting in a racist manner towards someone that that's evil, and that it needs to be dealt with, and that person's behold Campbell and I absolutely support it. I support that they need to be held accountable. But when it is the the. The, assumption That every police contact absent any evidentiary value except. And this is going to sound terrible, and I don't mean it this way anecdotal. Experience. Why are we jumping to that? Within the Evangelical Church and I. Think it's like you said rich. There are people that they see this as an opportunity to grow the church to grow the brand to grow, their name, or they're there to be in the spotlight more. In they want that. Notoriety of being. The person who leads the charge? Matt Chandler. It's so. Yes Judy greer. So They? They they? They love that spotlight experience, and so they jump on that bandwagon because it's much if you were to say to a law enforcement officer, you have to prove that you weren't doing something wrong. That's easy to get away with. If you were to flip that script and then say to the person you have to justify to me that your experience as a certain ethnic background is, is legitimate boy. That sounds really bad. And so they would rather attack. The law enforcement community. And say you're evil and we're going to jump on board with that and we want reforms, and we want this and yeah they. law enforcement should be disbanded. There are a lot of people doing that now. I will say as some people have said to me. There are probably a much greater majority of people who are pro law enforcement even within the church. But who's being listened to right now? It's the loud ones and who's going to determine policy. The ones being loud, and who's going to lead the the you know, the the visible church, the professing church, the ones being loud, so that's where I get frustrated. That's where I get up tight, and then I watch people who mean well enrich if you ever invite me to another prolonged fortunate facebook facebook group. To tell you know. By the way if you're one of those people who really do. Love law enforcement. And you and you want to defend them, and you want to be there for them. Great I. Thank you I love the support. Let me say two things number one. I believe in healthy skepticism. Because as someone it went law enforcement. He's given the authority to deprive people of Rights That's huge amount of thirty. So, don't just blindly defend. Please don't do that. In my in my own defense. When I got. There were like eight thousand people and all. The things by the time he joined, the group had done grown into like a hundred thousand. You Got Weird. Weird and where you have one group was all anti police. Yeah, how they got. It was interesting. And and this turned into nothing but. For the most part pro-police regardless of right action and that was. That's what I was going to go next is. I am very big supporter of healthy skepticism, which is Law Enforcement. Is entrusted with a great deal of authority, and that should never be taken for granted, and so always be willing. Light it like when you're dealing with the with pastors and churches, being good Rian means studying the word of God and seeing if what they're being taught, there is true. Being. Willing to say hey, did he really do what was and allowing the investigation to bear fruit and determine whether something was good or bad I I'm a big I'm a big fan of that okay, and that means also not arbitrarily condemning someone or arbitrarily defending someone. Let the investigation do it because they're the people on the ground with information. Don't assume that they're going to cover it up. Don't assume that they're going to. You know that everything they. There's alleged true them do their job. I'm a huge fan of that now. Let me go ahead. Let let me let me ask you on that. And and I know you can't narrow it down to A. Timeframe because every. Incident is different, but there is a process that they that law enforcement investigators goes through when there's a police involved shooting. Yes, sadly in our our. Access age today. People aren't willing to wait. A day they're not much less willing to wait a month or two months until the investigating process has been able to cycle all the way through when something happens, people expect it resolved in answers you know within that twenty four hour news cycle period, and that's part of the problem. Very much so and unfortunately the new the. The news agencies are huge fans of of wanting answers right now as well and we're seeing that unfortunately, even in Atlanta Georgia where the actual agency charged with the investigation, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation. Their investigation wasn't even complete. A report not even filed by the time the DA was already filing charges against those officers so unfortunately politics and new cycles and impatience and everything else plays a huge part and what we're seeing going on today, and not the least of which is and this is where I I, the other thing is especially for those of you in the church, please. When these issues come up I'm asking you to show patience and wait because. Let's go back to the George Floyd issue. What what that officer did was wrong and the things that he did I'm sure will be determined to have contributed to the man's death and he should be held accountable. But. There were people that I respect. That I saw calling it A. Incident and what was the did we have any evidence from the video that we saw that racism was involved. You had a white officer and a black man. We don't know maybe was racist. Maybe maybe officer Chauvet and former officers chauvinist. Racist I have no idea. Neither do you and US as anyone else? What came out weeks later? Is these these two men knew each other from working at the same club so now is it racist or is it because he had a beef with the guy we don't know? So what I'm asking is for all my you know fellow Christians is slowdown. Everybody wants to jump on these conversations because it's. They're out there now. Slow down if the man is wrong, I want him held accountable. In this case, he's being held accountable. But slow down. And and by the way for the person who said my loyalties were divided. There's a reason you get blocked for that. I will be the first to say I want bad cops held accountable. Don't you ever accuse me? Of My loyalties being blind, my loyalty flying me I. Take quite to that. Well. It's something just dawned on me why you were saying that. especially within Christianity when something like this occurs, and they're so fast to jump on the bandwagon. Scream that this guy was a racist. They're the same ones that if you're sharing, the Gospel will scream out to you. Judge not, but in in in the situation like this. They're the first ones to jump in and make a judgment because they are basically trying to. Determine and claim that they know what that means motives, basically knowing what his heart is an only Christ. Does that and they're? Already on the bandwagon ready to condemn or for release the man without ever having been involved or know anything about all the circumstances in it, and I just find it absolutely ironic. That so many people that that are so fast. Scream judge not. When it comes down to correct application of that verse, they're the first ones to disobey. Jumping in and making the judgment, well, and I and I'm GonNa take a step further, the one who is telling me my loyalties blinded me was not someone who would say judge not. This was somebody that. From what I can tell. Would probably fall more in line with what you and I believe. But because he didn't like the the shooting in Atlanta and I disagreed with him. I was blinded by my loyalties, so I'm sorry. I take great offense to that because you don't know me from Adam and you don't know what I actually believe because we disagreed you, you accuse me of being blind. I take great offense of that, and that's how you get blocked, so. But I'm getting a little bit off track, so that group that rich. Environment Me Yeah by like you said things he'd rather evolve, but there was an incident in New York where there was an allegation of. Officers intentionally being poisoned by at a restaurant called shake shack, well NYPD, but less than twenty four hours has gone by NYPD. Does their investigation. I'm sure they checked videos and check who cleaned what and said Oh i. we figured out what happened The dispenser that put out that Padilla's particular shakes wasn't cleaned properly in some contaminant got into the shakes. And I know this happens because I have a brother-in-law. WHO's not a cop? Who We went to dinner with as a family one time, and he ordered a a shake, and or not shake your. It is tea and let me let me just tell you. This man doesn't take sips. He takes Gulps, so he got a big old gopal bleach in his t and he got. He got really nasty, almost sick. And well, obviously, the meal got comp because it was A. it was an accident they hadn't they? You know they hadn't done their job right so in this group knowing that this particular Article was being shared from the night before I came in as a person. Who has this background in in in this particular field and I said Hey I just WanNa. Put this out. There I'm grateful that it wasn't an intentional poisoning I was excoriated up side down the other and treated like a complete idiot, because how I dare believe this and I explained. And I was told you know. That's Baloney. They're lying. It's like wait a minute. NYPD investigated this now. Officers are liars because it doesn't match the narrative, which is what you want. which is this particular you know restaurant chain was you wanted them to have poisoned the officers? And now that it's being said they didn't the officers that investigated or lying. We have got to get away from this. You did defend my position at all costs, even if it's completely contradictory when there's evidence being introduced my again, trust the investigators. So that that that's watching. This whole thing has been. Inexperience in watching myself go insane. And so bringing it back full circle what I was getting at earlier Richard. This is why it's so important to trust in the sovereignty of God and trust in who I am in Christ, because as my pastor reminded me, my identity is not in that badge. My identity is in Christ, and then it's an understanding that no matter what happens in my life, no matter how good or bad it goes whether my whether I am more safe or less safe today because of what's being happening. My identity is not that bad. My identity is in the cross. My identity is in Christ and whether I'm more safe or less safe. As a Christian, which will probably be the next set of things we see coming out of this chaos because leftists. Marxists Hate God. They hate religion, and that's going to be the next thing they come after you can be sure of that. I have to trust in him. I have to put my identity in him, and I still have to serve no matter whether I'm pouring shakes at the shake shack, or I'm wearing a badge or I'm a pastor, or I'm working in a business you know industry or whatever homemaker you know, homeschooling parent whatever you are, your identity is cry is in Christ so whether today's things are really really really really bad or today's things are pretty good. My identity is in Christ and my joy in Christ and my salvation is in Christ and I know. That no matter what happens, I'm in Christ and I can rejoice, and that's how I i. think about it, it's this is how you could have. The the apostles being persecuted, putting being beaten with rods thrown in prison in the lowest darkest parts of the prison changed a Roman guards and. They're singing hymns. How do you get that? Well, it's because no matter what happened to them that you know they're being persecuted for their faith. In Christ. You could take everything from them. They're in Christ. Does it make it any less You know and make it less pleasant. Ridge less difficult. No Paul is said at one point. They despaired of life itself. They thought they were GONNA die. But yet. How can you? How can you rejoice? because. This is A. Period of time that is passing away. that. It is a light affliction considering eternity, and if my identity is in Christ my joy is in Christ I, serve an amazing God who will fulfill his promises? Who will do what he says he's going to do and I don't have to worry that. He's going to change his mind tomorrow. And, that's the only way I. Think we can keep that perspective. Riches is insane. Everything is. We are in Christ, and that's the only way we get joy in the midst of this insanity. It's the only thing I can think of. Well sadly. A lot of what's going on is. Visual evidence that. The vast majority of those that claim they are in Christ or intrudes false converts in have known. Jesus Christ of the Bible one other. That's going on. That's the route calls of everything we see happening besides CNN is the lack of respect for authority, whether it's authority that God is putting over us in a home or law, enforcement or are. You know leaders of the nation. You know regardless. It is a lack of respect for the authority that God has over us. Because it's make becoming more and more evident that. They hate God hate India thority. They think that they should be God of their own lives and can do anything they want. and I know all that is completely different issue, but closing out. There's one thing I want to kind of address briefly. Is If. You claim to be a Christian and that don't care what. Race nationality. Color whatever word you want. Put on it whether you black white pink purple. If you claim to be a Chris. and. You're called names. Or if you're excuse me, Chris and I don't mean this as anything against you if you're. A police officer in your in your Christian and someone calls you a pig or something even worse. If regardless of whatever your skin tone is whatever. Edberg is thrown into it that you feel as derogatory. Even if someone throws a rocket, because you are this profession, or you are this color. If! Things like that. Bother you to the point where you're riots team and you're jumping on every bandwagon under the sun. Lord help you when tru persecution ever comes in because you will never survive. You will bend and bow to whatever God or whatever allergy or whatever political powered happens to be. You'll be some of the first to get on your knees and bow down to whatever it is that they're telling you because first and foremost. You're not truly saved. And, secondly you don't have the faith of an aunt much less anything else. If. You're so thin skinned. That you're so offended by a word or even a rock being thrown at you. Lord, help you when tru persecution comes, and they're dragging Christians off to jail there killing you because you are Christian and this is actually going on now. In certain parts of this world. Christians are being killed. They are being a now laid there being burned. They're being slaughtered because they claim to be a Christian and will not. Forsake Christ. and. I'm not saying if I'm saying win. That comes to the United States. The vast majority of American evangelicals will go along with whatever it is. That are told to do when it comes to. Being a Lego Christened. They'll snap and Click and get ride on board. Whatever it is, society's telling them to do because they will not have to face the courage or the strength. To bear their crawls and to follow Christ they will be like the. Israeli or the Hebrew leaders during the Times of Christ, they'll be more concerned about their status among the Romans. And their wealth there'll be more concerned about all those things instead of standing on the word of God. And the by in the Bible teaches that is exactly what will happen when it talks about people falling away and a spirit of delusion to deceive, even the elect all of that will come about and at some point time whether it's in our lifetime or two or three generations from now. Christians Professing Christians in America will be persecuted and they will be. They will be forced to make a decision. They will either stand. With Biblical Christianity or they'll fall away in follow whatever it is that they're told is acceptable. Form of worship or the acceptable form of whatever based on what society deems, and you were talking about Christianity. Being attacked next assault today to where certain individuals within the Antifeyev BLM movements. A, wanting depictions of any type of flight Jesus revenue. because it is a symbol of white supremacy and racism. Yeah, no, and that's that's exactly it and and like I said. It is no question. That's what's coming, and the sad truth of the matter is and by the way. If you really want to have a good discussion here, good discussion on a lot of this, you need to go listen to the guys over at just thinking in fact I think I don't remember how what category it was, but they just skyrocketed to number one in in a particular category on Apple podcasts, but Darryl Virgil. Forgive me for not remembering which one those guys. Lay everything down, and you want to understand the D. The issues with regard to the movement of black lives matter. You want to talk about the issues of racial reconciliation. You understand all these issues. Go listen to those guys do. Any number of podcast episodes that they have you will be thoroughly enriched by the these are individuals who understand not only understand the issue, but how to address it from a biblical perspective. I don't think richer. I, could ever even you know? Hold a candle to what they do, so please take some time and listen to them. Why are you listening to me? Go go go go listen to him. But. One of the big issues that's going on right now with regard to all of this, and and and we're GONNA. Give this Darryl in Virgil credit for this is where I'm I'm hearing so much of this. Is that. It is a new workspace religion it is you can't have. True? Repentance without doing the things that the racial reconciliation EST wants you to do. You're not genuinely repentant, and therefore you can't genuinely be saved unless you've done these works that they're calling for whether it's reparations whether it's bowing the knee in public, so many have done whether it's whatever and what does is a direct assault upon the sufficiency scripture. That the idea that the Gospel which changes hearts, and redeems them, and reconciles sinners with God and then in turn, reconciles offended parties together in Christ. That's that's what we need. We need that issued that Gospel issue. That's how you deal with these these problems not with reparations, not with Marxist revolutions, not with Bowie knees, it is literally the heart issue, and which is one of the trip brothers that says the heart of the matter is the matter of the heart. You have to have a new heart. You can't do accomplish the things that we do that the people want done in as an UN regenerate unsaved Christian. You can't do those things of your own accord, because it's always going to be tainted by sin, and so it's a direct assault. I it's it's not even hidden anymore. It's a direct assault upon the sufficiency of scripture, and so all of these people like you're talking about rich who who are so quick to jump on the bandwagon for the notoriety for the money for the fame for the of whatever. They are absolutely admitting. That they do not trust in the sufficiency of scripture. They just simply do not believe in it. Despite whatever they claim, they do not believe it sufficient that scripture is enough to deal with these issues, and so for the professing church to have gone so far so fast. into the left field is because even though we. Had A battle for the sufficiency of scripture. It was slowly undermined with a compromise that we made. For whatever purpose in trying to appease the culture and as we did that, we now find the professing church in America. Absolutely immense ashed with Marxist ideology, godless ideology, and if you do not. If you don't bow the knee to those who lead us in this in the event Jellicoe church and do what they suggest your the enemy, and that's what scares me riches, but at the same time go back to Paul Washer. There will be those who think they are doing God's favor by getting rid of you. I think that's where we're seeing. It had next and that should encourage Christians not. Not Discourage Encourage Christians because Christ said that if the world hates us, it remember it I hated him. So of persecution does come to our doorstep and anticipate that's coming than it is a reminder that we serve a Christ who told us these things and has counted US worthy to endure these things, and we need to trust in him, and but like you said rich, we are Well, over time I think we intended, but I think it's been a fun discussion. I kind of liked doing this to do this a little bit more often and just let will on our mind. Just roll out in and see where it takes us. So any last thoughts before we cut everybody lose here. Well I won't say do why while it is still allowed. To be put out before every podcast under the sun is censored for certain. Phrases and certain terminology. I am not a chain. To be called a slave to Christ name and We are slaves to the King Amen. Amen Amen Yes, we are indeed in fact, that's our website named slave to the king. Dot Com so folks. We appreciate your time I hope. This was helpful I. Hope it was informative If nothing else, you just got to hear two guys. Talk and see how we think about things. Sometimes and sometimes I think that's just enjoyable. we think rich, and I had fun doing it If you like these kind of conversations, let us know voice of reason radio, at gmail.com, and maybe we'll do them a little bit more often. we thank you for being with us. We thank you for being a little bit patient. As we were a couple of days late, getting this out, we do intend to be back again. Either this Friday or Saturday rich, and I will talk off figure that out. And try to be back on time as usual Thank you for being with us. Thank you for continuing to listen to us. This is not in any way to talk about numbers, but I just we've noticed more of you've been tuning in the. We just see the trend and the fact that some you know. Some of you are new because we're part of the Chris podcast, community and stuff and you're still sticking around. We thank you for that. We really appreciate it. If you ever want to get in touch with us, attached to talk about things that if if you took issue with anything, I said a rich set tonight. Hey, you're more than welcome to contact us. just you know, keep it keep it. Biblical key bring Your Bible verses in context if. You have questions to ask them If you're going to curse us out, tells were stupid or any of those things just expect that to go right in the circle. file can now be responded to. Actually directing of that kind of male towards me I. Even hate mail. I. Don't Mind Hate Mail Sometimes it's absolutely hysterical, but if you're just GONNA. Be A troll I I'm not gonNA give you the time of day I too many things to do I'm not going to answer trolls. I'm sorry. You would. You would not believe okay, here's here's a fun little tidbit to let you go with. When president trump and by the way. I'M GONNA. Beg Christians Stop. Sharing, it's conspiracy theories about all this, please. Whole `nother topic another. Just stop it. Don't send them to me. Don't include me in on. And please if you're the president of the United States. Don't share it in an effort to defend police and and I. He shared one and I thought it was the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard him. Say Even though I appreciate his support for law enforcement, and so I responded online. Please don't do that I. Support You. I'm in law enforcement. Please don't do this. You're not helping. You would not believe how many leftist thought saw that as an invitation to yell at me and Yell at me for Supporting Him my block list grew quite large, so. Oh, so it was really interesting, so if you're a troll I, don't I don't respond to those. If you're going to be foul language I, don't respond to those. If you're just GonNa, tell me I'm blind. 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Lifesong Radio  Episode 285  Romans, Part 74 (Romans 10:14-17)

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Lifesong Radio Episode 285 Romans, Part 74 (Romans 10:14-17)

"You're now tuned in to live Song Radio. A weekly podcast dedicated to accurately studying the word of God in a comprehensive and biblical manner listen in is host Phil, Ramsey, Blake Shangqiu and Tom Hammond dig into the word line by line verse by verse leaving no stone unturned grab. Your Bible and your notebook, and can prepare to study the living breathing active word of God now. Here's your host of life. Song Radio. Hello and welcome to episode two eighty-five of life on radio I'm Jimmy Hicks now, Blake Shankill. And welcome in to another program Bellas it's the end of an era today. It is Jimmy Hicks last show ever. I'll never come back. Oh, man, I'm GONNA leave here. And I want to go to Atlanta I'M GONNA burn the boats. And boats, everything bridges away our. Splinter. None left is. Hitting the highway byways and you al.. Well, may we go Michigan Jimmy? So it is your last show and It is the end of an era like you said it really is I. Mean You say last week? We talked about it a little bits seven years now ten years that you've been wary of twenty fourteen, so we're coming up on seven years. Yeah, that's good and you've been at your radio station for twenty years. I know you're thankful for that, too. I'm grateful. Someone gave me an ability to feed my family for twenty years because. Lord knows I don't know anything else to do. Be Digging ditches somewhere because I have no talent at all. How well I don't underestimate yourself I would say we live in a small town. Called Kevin and Tennessee and West Tennessee and Jimmy has been the voice of Radio Morning Show for twenty years now since he was in high school and I, just graduated. Okay. So, how long have you been to? Me and I don't know goodness. I hate to even speculate. I know I stopped in two thousand and seven. I'd done it from Oh three toe seven. Yeah, and then I stopped for two or three years and jump back on Ten and have been on their consistently. Since Leno locally. We're going to issue I'M GONNA. Miss you as a as one of my best friends. I'm going to miss. You feels gonNA. Miss, you will not here today. He that's how much he loves you. That's what I told him this afternoon. He stop and drop something off to me and I can't believe the last show I ever do, and you can't even be the right. Be Honest with you haven't known you that much that I'm GonNa miss you on great level. But, I'll jokes. Aside I will say this. Jimmy, that's true I really haven't known you that long, but I've seen the reaction. Locally, who to you're leaving into this opportunity? That's a great testimony. I, it really is and a man. Young and a manager age that has had that kind of impact on the local level, just watching the reaction to this to this move for you, the happiness for you the excitement for you, but also I think the started level of melancholy going to leave a hole here. And just watching that has has spoken to May just in a very positive way and I commend you for the I appreciate that I'll say this publicly You might not want me to Tom. because you'll never admit to more than you have to us, but I appreciate everything. You did to orchestrate what you've orchestrated in my leaving and I. Know You just wanted me out of here? Pretty good money. But I know you had a lot more in it than you will admit to, and I just want to thank you for because Man Without it. Without you man, this wouldn't happened. It was all good and you go back. I mean it's really. It's really story book it is you almost think you had to write this descriptive? Yeah. It's but he's just so obviously got into this and everybody's really excited for you. And of course I've been connected with frigid through other avenues for for several years and I'm always excited. Say something good happened there and I think you might move into Atlanta getting involved that ministry something. That's really good what we hope good I mean I could be going down there to burn the place down. So you burn bridges? In the Middle Birmingham Alabama! Sherman Sherman's March. I am I'm grateful for you? Golly two years ago, maybe three years ago now you in feel both calling. Well as long as enrollments. Coming on the tail end of Hebrews, and now I think we jumped in a couple of things, and then have been enrollments for the last two years, but I wanNA. Thank you for Call me over. Allow me to be able to do. This is really strengthened. My faith in Christ just really been able to me each week I mean you got come. We've got to come in here and we have to dive into God's word and it really it really stretches me and my my ability to learn and really makes me go deep, and it's really caused me to be a a better believer I. Believe one sanctify growing in the image of Christ and I. I would say is We'll childhood up to a means of grace by which you coming into my life, and and You know asking me to do this show. This is really been helpful to my my faith I, if if nothing helds, it's been doing that, so thank you for that I love your family I'm so thankful for your family will be praying for your family. I love Mike as well and It's really it really hasn't hit me yet. You're going to be gone because I'm always used to us. You know we text every day right and continue to do that because I want to know all the INS and outs of registered radio okay. WE'RE GONNA, Miss You, my and so thankful for what you've what you've left behind the legacy and I think you're I. Think we had a real long conversation four. Did this and I think you're leaving it in good hands? No doubt about that. No doubt about that Just I appreciate you. Man and I, don't want this to be a fist or anything but I mean. Full that? I appreciate you, and and just the effort and commitment that you because there's a lot of people that that we know in our. I guess you would say the circles we run around with that have wanted to be a part of life song in the seven years that it's been in existence. Been Very selective who I've, let come in here because it takes a commitment every week to put put it all out there, and and come in and be willing to do this and allow those people I know are willing to do it and so I. Appreciate the commitment that you've given because it's not easy. Yeah, yeah, I have to give up. What are you talking about? Come in here and relaxing. Show, mcgrew and all your meat. Demolished my show, my mom my house in here now. Thanks appreciate it GonNa Miss. You I know feel has the same sentiments and so. He would have been here. Yes, right lab, also last thing last show on our local airways as well Ryan's right, ninety, three, five and Covington and ninety three one in Jackson This is the last week, so we're thankful for those listeners those who have stuck with us, but we're not going anywhere other than just local radio. You can always catch on podcast at that time. You can catch us at anytime, not just nine to ten. That's right. That's right so every Sunday morning. It'll be available this week. It wasn't but going forward It'll be available. Every Sunday morning continuing at nine o'clock so Just just You know you won't be able to get it on the radio, but for sure you'll be able to catch it. It lives on radio, DOT COM or wherever you subscribe to buy casts I like listening to things pot I. Listen podcast. Consumes the majority of days, too, so I'm who I think the majority of our listeners it'll be a beneficial if they can just translate onto that and the world's changing the way they consume media is changing. It's it's more on demand than it is appointment, television or appointment radio, right? It's it's more at this is where it's going. He's got dvr on your TV. PODCAST is the same way it's just for radio. Though on my end tall stop reverse thirty seconds four thirty-six back. Whatever you want to do is stop can come back to it later, so it's wonderful. I use a lot, but. But thank you young. Dive into it for today we do finish with our banner. Move on, but man. I love these verses that we're coming to today. These are big. I was so excited I know these are exciting vs villains. I've had so many discussions over these verses because these they're just they're key. Versus in this chapter in Romans, and I'm so excited form I love him. I love just how Paul writes. These poses these questions and he's not. He's not here to be able to be a part of this and part of me loves a little bit. I don't know why it's a little selfish. Now I. Really wish he was here, but anyway what great versus. Let's get those jump into going to read it, and then we'll start Xyz so first fourteen of Chan. How then will they call on him who they have not believed? How will they believe in him? They have not heard. And how will they hear without a preacher? Unless they are in just as written. How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news? Good things? However, they did not all he'd the good news for as ASEAN Lord. Who has believed our report? So faith comes from hearing and hearing by the word of Christ beautiful versus guys. Tell us kind of going through this the central idea of I. Mean really it's just this kind of this this heading of Gospel preaching. Brian when you say that Canada's this Gospel Preaching and In the importance of really preaching. The Full Council of God and Preaching The Gospel of Christ I. Don't think it can be overstated in these verses also take the thin to the to the concepts. We've talked about before in that salvation. or or the means to be right with God now is going to be own faith and belief these verses you just read. That's an outcropping of that, and now he's starting to talk about the process. He has totally built salvation on the foundation of Faith and belief, and now he's saying. Here's how we get to there. So it's almost like he's made the the the central point. The gesture live by faith that was talking about were that faith comes from the panics. Mechanics! So what Paul does here by doing that? That's a good point. He does this by asking a series of questions the rhetorical questions. Dr. Roy We're rhetorical questions are really statements. You know there's the answer's pretty clear. And but what he does, he he starts backwards. Or ee starts at the very end, and then works backwards to how that that flows to the beginning. It's really he starts at faith because we just come off. This is whoever should call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved, and then he works from that that pointed this calling all the way back to how that calling happen, and goes all the way back to the preacher being called the preacher preaching the message you know. He talks about the feet of of bringing it to bringing this message, so it's a it's. It's not him working for, but it's him starting at a point working backward. Pretty. Simple logic to follow and you you read the passages. We'll go back and dissect these obviously, but it's just. Own He says only those who call them the name of the Lord on God's terms. We've talked about that for the last two shows. Calling on the name of the Lord entails more than just a verbal. Across the Lord we'll be saved. And then the simple logic is this none can be saved. Don't call. Don can call. Don't believe done can believe who don't hear can here unless they're told and non-contentious, enlist their sent so that's the logical framework. Now we'll go back in and break that apart and talk about exactly what those things mean, but he's just laying out the logic. In the context here you I know we're going to dive deeper into these individual things that you just mentioned in with the text the mentioned, but let's not forget the overall context here is Israel's on belief in and he's. He's breaking that down. Why does in Israel continued to not believe in Jesus as the Messiah and it's really built even even more specific. You're exactly right. But even more specifically is their ignorance. They're they're. They are ignorant of the way to God and Paul throughout the the entire chapter. A this tenth chapter Romans is is saying they're ignorant and I'm GONNA. Tell you why they're ignorant. I'M GONNA. Tell you what makes them Meghna and before all said and done. They're going to be indicted because they are purposefully. Intentionally right and we'll get to that later on in the past these verses but today. I mean it's. It's two possible reasons why they would not believe in. It would be that They never heard the gospel, or they heard it, and didn't understand it, and he's going through. No, no, they heard it and they heard in. They understood it, but they would not accept. As into the kind of an umbrella over this chapter what they could not accept. Was that the Messianic Gospel. was going to include more than just them. They could never come to terms with that in ray chapter ten. Paul constantly brings this idea that the gentiles. We're going to be a part of this and the Jews had completely forgotten. What was the promised Abraham that through your seed? All they? Will be blessed. One of my favorites to go back and make this point with is from Isaiah fifty two actually. A bribe before the more famous cases we know as fifty three, but as a fifty two I nine, it says break forth, shout dolefully together you waste places of Jerusalem for the Lord has comforted his people. He has redeemed roussel and I think that's applying to the end times when Israel is ultimately saved, but here was what they forgot was verse ten following that immediately it says the Lord has bared his holy arm in the site of all nations that all the ends of the Earth may say the salvation of our, God. And it's right there in in plain text, and you just have to wonder why. The Jews were so blind. Did this that that they were so? I guess the word is selfish, but we're so. Self focused on. God God was going to bless them and them only couldn't. We see that in Jones life as well I mean. He didn't WANNA. Go example. Invite in fact, he. He did so much to I'm just GONNA go the opposite way and God had to put him official ability to take him the other way, and so did the bill of fish, and then when they repented hated it. s right and he's. He's a prophet. He's going to preach the Gospel. And I think I just think of that is how the gentiles. How are they? GonNa hear without a preacher, Jona, well, and and I hate to jump ahead to eleven again. You guys know can't wait. It's coming in. Jim is not going to be a part of. The gentiles being included Romans eleven a Lebanon Lebanon says I, say then he about the Jews. They did not stumble so as to fall, did they? He's he's established the fact. They've still got a future. We'll talk a lot about this Leban- he says may never be but by their transgression, salvation has come to the gentiles to make them jealous. Now that's not a new concept. Paul actually got that from Deuteronomy thirty two. And God says they have made me jealous with what is not God on what their idols they have provoked, meet anger with their idols, so I will make them jealous with those who were not a people I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation so God was saying all the way back to the time of Moses. That that people beyond the Jewish nation, we're going to be included in this plan of salvation, and the Jews are refusing to accept that. So that is the backdrop backdropped Romans ten. They're refusing to accept it because so many more gentiles are coming to faith at this. Time that's right. Yeah, absolutely, and so what we see here in these verses, today is really just Paul. Breaking down how he asked these questions as if he's just prodding them, he's like all right. How do you think they're ever GonNa? Come saving faith if you don't do these things. If you don't you know any any really is really breaks it down simple and I think for us today. There's a lot of application here for us as the listener today for us as churchgoers is. Is this Gospel Preaching in centers? Around this central means of grace, I think this is the the greatest ordinary means of grace, and appeared as would have said that is as Gospel. Preaching is the greatest ordinary means of grace. Now you have prayer you have. The bad you have the Lord suffer as means of grace, you have these things, but yet gospel preaching is the greatest means of grace that we have today. Let me tell you. Read, these passages to the or the way they strike me. Within. The context of the whole Paul goes right out of. Talking about the Jews have not accepted this message a turn around fourteen. You ready to go. How will they call him in home? They've not believed. How will they believe in him? Not Heard I think one Paul is doing here is defending why he keeps hitting them with this message and I think he's saying to his Jewish. Readership, she appear. I, keep coming back to you because you're not gonNA. Believe unless you hear this. You'RE NOT GONNA call on the Lord unless I think the Jews were saying you take it to the gentiles. We won't know partly as you leave us in hours alone. Preachers were getting run out of synagogues and Jesus said. That's going to happen, so there's going be a time. They're gonNA. Kill you in the Senate God linking. They're doing me a favor for thinking. They're doing God's favor. And Paul is saying no I've got to keep coming back to you. My Jewish brothers remember at the beginning of chapter ten, th. That was the subject he's. He started out this chapter praying for the salvation of his Jewish brothers and I think starting in verse fourteen. He's defending that he's saying no. I know this is. You. I know you don't want to hear it. I know this is not the messy. You thought it was GONNA Bay, but I've gotTA. Keep coming that you this because you're not going to bully, you've gotta call on the name of the Lord and you're not going to do that. If. A preacher doesn't come to you and give you this message, and that's what I'm doing. Yeah, yeah, follow is he's he's? He's backing up what he's writing right by him preaching this Gospel. He's actually saying he what he's writing here. He's the one that's doing the preaching, and and and he's not going to back down from. He's putting the gas pedal to the metal. He's GonNa Continue. We need preachers. We need those preaching. Preaching the Gospel in order for my brethren, do be saying if I. Don't stay faithful to this, you're you're never gonNA. Come to here. Yeah, yeah I mean even goes so far as to when when we said that you know, what does it say? The orders near Union? Mouth word of faith which we are preaching. This is what we're preaching. We're preaching saving faith. We're not preaching self righteousness, not preaching that you that you. Work Your Way to Heaven Ju we're teaching. Salvation is through faith in Christ. That's what it is, it's it's through faith in him, and it's and it's got to be. It has to have this belief rooted in a crucified savior. Megaphone I. You talked about this a little bit. verse fourteen. How then will they call on him? In whom they have not believed that really personifies the Gospel doesn't and it absolutely does it's this calling you're you're right this this call here? How are they call? I think that's synonymous was saving fate. You know this this. How would they have saving faith if they how will they call on him how they're going to have saving faith in Christ in whom they have not believed in? Opposed to assist them. Dad Yeah that's opposed to a religious system, which is what the Jews had been relying on for centuries, their rituals, their their temple rights. They're they're older of the priesthood. their sacrifice, the sacrificial system they had they were trying to attain access to God righteousness God with those rituals, and I think it's very no. That Paul says how then will they own him? In whom they have not believed, Paul is very quickly. Saying this isn't about a religion anymore. Yeah, yeah, it's about a person about a purse, yeah! Christ and he elevates call on him above the believed right he kinda distinguishes these two things. When you look at it, he puts this, he says how would they call on him? Whom they have not believed in this believed is, is this intellectual kind of thing they they cannot call on Christ if they don't even know anything about them. There's not an intellectual knowledge of who he is and what he's done. Who is this? Messiah that you're talking about? There has to be this intellectual knowledge in order to call upon Christ. Must Know about Christ. You. Know I mean that I think is what he's saying here is that that's that's logic. How do the question isn't? He poses a question. How are they going to do this? The question is they can't and the answer is they can't. If they don't know about Christ. Just say specifically how pulses it is in the next sentence. Will they believe in him? He keeps this personal. How would they believe in this person? In whom they have not heard. So I think we got to start thinking about heard what bird what about him wh. What is Paul talking about here? But is it about him that they? They've not been willing to listen to. And and have not heard. If a unless you know, we'll get to this later that appraisers sent to proclaim. That message about him. But what are we talking about? How will they believe in him? Do they have not heard? What are we talking about here? Comment of failing here, we're not talking about some kind of mystic spiritual. High. Well, our point to a interesting factors. I was studying this. It's it's interesting. This is going to answer your question. He says how are they going to? Believe him whom they have not heard. It doesn't say what they've heard or about whom they've heard, but it says here it says in whom they have not bird. This is this is basically saying. They have not heard crisis speaking. How are they going to believe in this Christ that we just got there, talking about which leads to the calling upon him, but how they're going to believe in Him who they've not heard. They haven't heard Christ speaking. What does that mean you mean literally? There's an audible voice of Christ speaking now. That's not what he's saying here because Christ is in heaven seated at the right hand. Hand of the father. We don't hear audible voices from him, but just appears always says this is if you want to hear from the word of God, if you want to hear from the word of God or if you want to hear from God and agreed the word, if you want to hear from God audibly, read it out loud and who does that in ultimately in this context, it's the pressure. It's the Gospel preacher. Who Preaches guess what? The Listener, those who come to saving faith here. A man preached the word. But behind that man is the God man Jesus Christ in order for someone to be saved. They have to hear the word of Christ. This message from a lot of messages that are being preached in bullpens. Today's you go to churches today. You hear a lot of above self-improvement type sermons. You hear a lot of sermons on daddy life in insteps to better. You can steps to a better you. Those sorts of things so this is what Paul talking about here or No He's not your. That's a good point. I mean today. Go to most of on TV or whatnot, most preachers are preaching about what they did this past weekend. Kind of experience. They've had what kind of. Just how how you you you me me me. It's all about that, but it's let's less Christ than anything. It's more about them. Rather than is Christ. What you're saying. ANTIBAC- back to last week just for a brief second. Blake is exactly right, and there are a lot of churches now. That are preaching. What's called Prosperity, Gospel? that it's Bay man centered. It's it's a what's in this for you Christianity. We talked about birth up in Barcelona in last week and I had said something earlier today that I wanted to address this because I listen to the show. Of the listener would go back up to verse eleven. Clarify something I. Don't think we really. Cover glass tweak burst eleven Paul descent all this up. He said for the Scripture says whoever believes in him will not be disappointed. And this Prosperity Gospel Brow they take versus like that to. Really give a wrong impression that come to Christianity means the life is now everything's GonNa work out the God, a everyday God's main intention is to make you happy and prosper you. Any peer gave if you're not prospering just because your faith is too weak. I want to go back to blast week. Show and just say one thing about that passage. We did not really say this, but I won't the listener to understand. We are not saying that coming to Christ Manger Life Won't have disappointments in heartaches. We're Christian steel deal with health issues. We still deal with financial issues. We still deal with family issues. The Bible never promised us that life would be a better roses for coming to Christ. We are just promised that we won't go through it alone. So that I does not mean a lot of people really want to take that verse. Eleven say whoever believes in him will not be disappointed the poll we were trying to make last week and everything was said. Last week is correct. Is In the Gospel. The Gospels, not GonNa. Let you down. It has promised to save you and it's going to keep its promise. The Gospel is going to keep that promise. It's not going to disappoint you, but I wouldn't want the list or to think that means that there's not disappointments in life and I'm GonNa. Confess goes. Based on my ignorance, my lack of wisdom I get disappointed a lot of times I prayed for things and I. Don't get the answer I'm looking forward. I've got a really good solution to this problem over here and I ask God to fix it in a chord with that and a very oftentimes. He doesn't and I just have to remember I. Don't have the knowledge of the wisdom to really know what I'm asking for, and that's what to fixation is. It's this process of learning to trust God and you say that, and that's where I was going next with the statement you made. God is not and I heard this and it may have been John MacArthur that said it. I can't remember. I can't give credit to the actual. Original person said this. a said God is not as interested in your happiness as he is your holiness. And so when you say. Life is not going to be a better roses for the Christian. We need. We need to understand that because really and truly were promised the opposite. We're promised persecution. That's I hardships and trials tribulations, and but it does promise this. We'll find join those things that's right. If we learnt how to look at I didn't mean to get sidetracked on that, but he just he. He just seemed like opportunity to go back and address that I wouldn't list or to get any kind of idea that that we're saying you come into. Christ means all your problems disappear. Yeah, that's not the case and we're talking about bigger than that. We're talking about eternity now. Absolutely and but what you're saying is is there are a lot of pastors who do that? there are a lot of stalkers who dad. Pastors if they're doing that. To get back to the burst. Now we're covering tonight. If a pastor, spending a lot of time on that on your happiness, and how to be a better you and how to find more fulfillment in. A lot of things your job, your marriage. He's probably not preaching about the subject. vol Is Talk here agreed is he'll agree and so he's not gospel preaching. He's not in fact. He doesn't have Christ behind him, so he's not standing upon the word of God, he's preaching culture bridget. Wisdom worldly wisdom, and I think that shows the differences between the pastors. We have today. There's type of pastors in this world. They're the ones that are God called and sent the other ones. They're the ones that are self called. Here. But that's a good point, but for some pastors crisis left the pulpit because he says here it's it's for those he says for the whom they have not heard. That's a heralding ear. That's not. He's not saying it for those who cannot read about Christ. He's not talking about those who who I'll just speak about cries. No, he said, those who have not heard or been who have. Have not been heralded the word of God, but what he's talking about there. That's kind of the background. Here's those. That's how they come to know. The Lord is is by the word of God heralded, and we have a lot of pastors who've who've departed from that, not only pastor. We have a lot of Christians who have departed from in the sense that rather than herald a message. And I believe this is verbal. I think Paul is talking about verbal communication. But, there are a lot of people now Christians now who want to substitute that with their godly? And what they hip? They'd come to this some kind of idea. That will I don't have to proclaim Christ Burghley. I'm just GonNa live a good Christian life, and let people see it and rub off. Both. How many people come to Lord Jesus Christ without a word ever being spoken to, he can't. Because the Gospel is an announcement who has ever who whose testimony a true Christian has said. I came to Christ just by watching somebody nothing was ever explained to me. Nothing was ever told me about my sin about my need of a savior. That guy and you know what? Just occurred me one day to follow Christ. You know. It doesn't happen it can't. It's impossible. It's not something that can happen I. I can look at Tom's life in Tom may be the holiest person and do everything in the world. He can't follow Christ everyday, and I can say hey. Something different about that guy. I want what he's guide, but at some point I'm going to come and say man. What makes you different and at that point? That's when. When the Gospel comes for me, I will assure you the only age bigger than the H. in Hammond is h hypocrites when it comes to me and I say that jokingly, but folks you know I I think any honest. Christian would tell you who studies the Bible in his teacher. I can teach a lot better life than seem to be able to pull off living lauderdale's and well, we think. We do but I, but I want to get back to this. This idea of some how we can leave the Gospel out of our pool pets, and we can leave the gospel out of our encounters with people as a verbal proclamation heralding I think you, said I like that word. That somehow if we're just good people, good citizens were remember the such and such club, and we hang out here and we're just known as as good people pay our taxes, and that's our testimony. My testimony is being a good citizen. Damn and that wins. No wannacry does and much of what we hear. Preach down of our pulpits today in what people cling to for salvation is going to. To Send Him to hell, I mean you see I see it? you know every week you see it and in one of the things we've talked about this before, but one of the things that's come out of this pandemic. Is You get to see a whole lot more churches with their services online? Then you got to see before and a lot of those things that you see. For me, personally dragged me up the wall. You see an invitation at the end of service and and look get out of that person's way and let them get in the island. Come do business with cries. Come do business well. What business are they? GonNa? Do with Christ. You know they're. They're being invited to something. No Gospel is being presented. So what are they being invited to basically? Let me go back in something up here before we go off and leave it because. What I just said while ago about this, the living a good Christian life is not ev- is not evangelism in the context. Paul is talking about here. But yet the by throughout the Bible, we are told to lead an obedient life. So. Obviously, we're called to be good to. Dozens were were called to be good people. But what's that all about? Well. Answer what that's all about? That is to authenticate what we are verbally heralding or proclaiming. In other words, it gives it credibility. Yeah, and that's why we live lives of obedience. It is not it is not the message itself. It just lends credence to the message, right. Shrine absolutely. I can't say I'm a member of PDF I'm going out and killing animals every weekend. Right which you do, I do so I'm not a member. But Yeah Yeah. We have to have credence. That's why we live a lot. We we we live a life. set apart to God because we've been called. What are we talked about his Lordship? Both if if he's not Lord of our loves, are we believable? I don't think so at all, so the so the point I'm trying to make is there is every good reason to live and obedience to Christ. Yeah, but it is to. Lend support. To the message we bring. Yeah, there's there's there's a lot of people go to hail seeing be good people. That's exactly Orange The Gospel I. Mean you think about the state of this country? You know you could have ten million Christians. Live in good live spread all over this country. You put them all in New York City the most populated city in the world. You put ten million Christians right in the heart and live in good lives, but never share in the Gospel and then you go out on the street ten years later after the influence they've had, and you walk down the street and you ask people. Hey, how do you get to heaven or who is Jesus Christ? Nobody's going to have the answer to that and they haven't heard it now. RIGHT THE NIXON! I, will they hear without a preacher? Clear for me. What a preacher is! The preachers worn well. This is this is interesting, so this preacher is actually in the verb form. And I don't WanNa get too deep here, but it's it's this. It's a literally translated without one preaching this this sentence here. It's an action were yeah, it's not a noun. It's an it's an action word, so the so the preacher here is the one who lists of the voice. He's The herald earn. It because I I. WanNa. He's the one who herald in fact. Tay, the story, where in the in the context of this word, this Greek word here thing about it in the time, this would have been time of Caesar. Caesar would have been over the Roman Empire. And what you had was these town criers when they would defeat someone or he had a message to get out. They didn't just pick up the phone. Right, he didn't just write something down. He had to get that message out to all the provinces of the Roman Empire. So what he do was, he would get his town criers, and they would go to these provinces, and they would go to the center of the cities, and all the city would come to them, and they would literally go into the center of people gathered around him, and they would say something like this. Hear Ye hear Ye Caesar Dot Dot Dot. They would tell them we've. We've we've. Captured so, and so or whatnot, and that's what they would do. That was the herald of saying they were somewhat who lifted up their voice and stated a message from the king. They'll gear. They didn't withhold anything. They didn't sugar coat any of the message. They didn't put it their own opinion or their own persuasion into it. They told exactly what Caesar had said to do. And what they do is, they would come back and they would have to come into the city and they would have to. report. And when I give the report Caesar would ask them. What did you say and they had to say exactly what he said if they deviated from that? Guess what they would be put to death. Though the proclaim or preacher Ed to divorce himself entirely from his own agenda s from his own goals. And, and he had to have the and I would assume there would be certain. Situations may be in the more hostile regions of the empire were proclaiming exactly what the Caesar had had said proclaim might even put the the preacher endanger yes. Most likely absolutely these people didn't want something. We'll be under control right, but they had to come in. Proclaim it and the Roman people reading this message would ever stood exactly this Greek word meant right here they would he know what this preaching without one preaching in his career so is degree time they would understand exactly what it means, but why because the town criers? Criers guess what that was. Their home base was Rome. They would've come in Rome and they would have been sent out from Rome, so they knew what that means. What Paul saying is is here. He's not saying. And how will they hear without a preacher? He's not saying someone who comes in and says. How are they going to hear with someone who speaks softly? Dodge Wamegan suggestion to you today. Maybe you need to hear any. Maybe you need to know cry. You may lie. Ain't you're really gonNA listen. Than you know. It works what you just call a real marshmallow e. you don't want to be saved today. The. Wow. Let me! Press this just a little harder Blah because they can't help but think of our friend Ray Comfort. I think Ray is going to say that this burden falls on every believer. Maybe, not in every situation I don't think radio is going to make up gender roles within the charge that policy tablist. is to say every called Christian is to be this proclaiming. Now. Do you think Paul had in mind? Even in the verb tense here? He think he had in mind. Just the professional clergy, or is the Laity caught up in this in this concept. Yes that's. Exactly the right answer. I would say the agree I. Think I think every Christian believer is called to proclaim through the Gospel. What Christ has done in their life who Christ is in in share the Gospel. I think we all should do that, but at the same time pastors preachers elders they are Authorized Messengers of the Gospel, they have been called by God and appointed by the local church. What would be your estimate owned? Of the percentage of church membership today, who even knows how to take the word of God proclaimed Gospel to one one percent for that's. That's my guess. Sad I'm serious. I I really think that is is. Is that low I would say there's even pastors who can't do it, wouldn't you? I can back that up. Which I say each Sunday School Class, an adult Sunday school class sometime with members who have been going to church their entire lives, and so he. Would like to come to the front of the room and lead us to Christ using the Bible the Gospel Message for most Christians today is. Can you come to charge? Will you come to Church with me today? I get them in front of a professional urge gator and Boy they take this passage my job is. It's almost like a border collie in the livestock business. I think the Laity. who were involved in evangelism for a lot of them? It's like it's my job around them up and get them to the bar and we're. We're the professional preacher. Is Proclaiming this message and I just wondered. Sometimes I mean souls ball the crags because the message wasn't gun through them. That can be an intimidating going for someone who's not charged. Or who has had a bad experience in church. Sometimes sometimes, getting them into church is is a monumental a hurdle. A lot of people have to get over to start with. Yeah I just wonder if we could get this message to people a little further out from the Church House as we call it in the south. I think we should. Because at this point you're bringing goes into the fold a lot of times now i. don't have really much wrong with bringing them to a Sunday morning message. That's fine right, but but again they're not part of the church. At that point, the churches, the gathering of the saints on Sunday morning to get here to glorify father as a community is a community. We invite into the fellowship who are not even in the fold yet you know a lot of. The doors. Let's get them busy. That's exactly right the next thing you'll have, you'll have people who've never even come to Christ in. Teaching a Sunday school, Class. I think it goes back to the pastor again. That goes back again. We're trying to beat up on our preachers here today. Include the deacons. There should be. Their. They should retested. Does, go back to the to the past. Ultimately, that's where it goes back to because again you do have the professional pastors. Those that are are God sent Authorized Messengers in the church. And what is the pastor's job? The pastor's job is to build up the body for for for the work to build up the body of Christ for service for works of service. And so that's his jaw, basically to work himself out of a job at equip the saints, who quits the saints of the work of the ministry, and and that's not happening. It's a lot of churches is not going to war poll saying here then Jimmy. The only way he can build up the Laity. Let let's think I know you're talking about spiritually. Let's talk about build up in numbers. That's not a dirty word. The build up the flock in numbers, and that's only going to happen. According to the logic and the formula laid out here in Romans ten fourteen through, yeah. Absolutely taints your question. I say yes, because it's both, but I think almost in context here is what Jimmy said is this it's this preacher and I'm going to go to I. WanNa lay on the side of it is. It is called for all of us as Christ followers to share the Gospel. That's our, I. Mean we've we've been given with. We've been given this great message. We need to proclaim that great message. Why would we have something you know? There's the parable. Why why do we? WHY WOULD WE WANT TO STORE PUT? It can't grow Jesus so you don't put a light under you. Don't we'RE GONNA? He'll, but we live a life to authentic to to give credibility yes. But I will say this preachers are sent their Senate, and that's what he goes to here this this fourth question gifts to the church. Oh my goodness. I think there's angels who are jealous of the preacher. Friday I. Mean these are under shepherds, and these are people who've been called. How will they hear without a preacher I fifteen? This is the fourth question. How will they preach unless they are sent? And that's where I would think this is really pointing to the the Gospel preacher those who are sent out all right. Let's look at this cow. How is it a preacher's to be sent out? How is this Gospel preacher to be sent out into the world? I if you just read the book of acts, you can see how it is. It's by a group of elders who lay their hands upon somewhat. I've grown up with this person. They understand this person is fully equipped with going out and preaching the word. God they have trust in this person and they're willing to say is put my stamp approval in this person to go send out this person into the world to go share the Gospel and preach the Gospel so God calls them and God. God calls these men But only the local church has the authority to Ordain in send these men out you know God calls them in a points them. The local church ordains them in since the mount. The Holy Spirit is actually the one that points them. Yeah, absolutely. X Thirteen is well x thirteen verse three says. Verse I four excuse me standing behind the elders here in verse four is by the Holy Spirit of acts thirteen. If you just go back, read starting to read that and you're gonNA, see standing behind those elders. The Holy Spirit because the reason that way read is I is is they're being sent in order to be sent? You have to have a sending body. And I think that's what we have here in. This church sinning agents right that ultimately behind these sending agents. It's just not it's not their wheel. Behan, behind them as Jesus Christ himself the head of the church. He's the one who sovereignly chooses these preachers. Well, let's let's get back to something very practical here on why God implemented this. What are we dealing with in Romans chapter ten or dealing with the Jews ignorance? They were ignorant of God's righteousness Brian Yes so what he is still that is still a theme here has got to be. He is addressing their you know. Why do they have to hear this message? It is to address this ignorance. He started the chapter all yeah. Yeah and in fact, they were to be these Gospel preachers or I That was what they were originally due to go share this good news of Jesus Christ of of what God had done in their lives to the pagan world. And what they did was they were that light hit up in a basket. They just base, and they've self implode upon themselves man. And I think Paul is also saying here. To his fellow Jews. You're not going to get this until you're willing to hear me out. And I think he is appealing to their deftness, their intentional deafness. And he saying. You'RE NOT GONNA. Call on the name of the Lord and be saved until you hear what I've got to say, so it's not only this is not only a directive to preachers it go out and get the word out. This is also a directive to unbelievers that is saying you need. Start Listening, and not only listening and we're going to get here in just a second. But heating those words obeying Yeah and we'll just saying that's that's good. That's a good point, so look here so they. How were they preach? Can't that's the answer. They can't hire all flows right at all flowing backwards right here, they they can't call upon him. They haven't believed they can't believe upon him. They ever heard the word of Christ or Christ speaking. They can't hear unless they have someone who's speaking this heralding this truth, and and those can't they can't. Herald truth if they haven't been sent, it goes to the question of I mean it always brings it up. I've had this asked me many times. If someone in bowling OBE lingo. Africo never hears the word of God. We're they going to go? And we say that gently right because. It hurts us. A truth, but it made it hurts me. It doesn't. It's like man. Is that is that? Is that fair? It is because Brooklyn's talks about all creation you know. God is is seen clearly in creation. He seen. It's just that we suppress the truth and all and righteousness. But yet. That this right here so that that reason right there swat so important. We have missionaries, but you know what what's happened is is we live in two different, vastly different world, even in recent history because today it's a whole lot. Easier for someone to to be a pastor or a preacher than it was hundred years ago. You look at William Carey I. Don't know if you've ever read his biography his story, but you know He. He wanted to go to India's a missionary and he was told by his church. A look God chooses to save the laws people in India that he'll do it without your help. Yeah, so they didn't send him. They didn't recognize him. As guy called and send him out at like they should have done but today you have people who have no business who have not been equipped. WHO HAVE NO business going out? And being a preacher, being sent everywhere. Yeah, yeah, just go listen to Paul Washer. A couple of times and you'll last. Throw quickly with. That means there this. This is a complicated thing though and it. It, it's hard to come to grips with well. Where how how do people salvation depend on the evangelistic efforts? Reach of the church. Are there. People Inhale now because the church failed. Somehow, this is all still part of God's sovereign plan. And there's nothing catching him by surprise. And humanly speaking I struggle with the idea of someone in Hale who was never. Never heard this gospel. I struggle with that and what I have to go back. On is is not to lean on my own understanding. And to know that God is fair. God is just everything he does is perfectly righteous. Yes, and this gets back to a matter of faith. And I would be slow if somebody said well exactly. How does that work well? I can go back to Romans morning, too, and I can show that there's enough revelation in nature in the revealed word of God and in the moral conscience, and I can totally argue that ever man's GonNa. Stand condemned before God because he's got. He's got plenty of knowledge to hold him accountable and get all the theology of the, but we do get back to kind of this humanistic way of looking at things, and and we see a certain unfairness. If I was raised in a Christian home. Well was I born with an advantage to someone who's never heard the message I. Guess You could argue that, but rather than try to understand all that and explain it I just have to lean back on that. God is perfectly good. Yeah and nothing is going to happen now. Does that diminish the church's responsibility being in these evangelists together. This gets back to this life of obedience. Thin line a what you're saying because I understand your struggle because I've struggled with it, too. And you know and it and just rested in the sovereignty of God and Jesus saying Look I've never lost one that the father gives me. My experience has been that the people who understand God's sovereignty or more realistic than we alone human. Yes, you're right. This doesn't relieve us of saying Oh, I'm just saying God is sovereign. He's GonNa save who he's going to save and I don't need to preach. No, he's used us the means by which they're say preachers. Plates that's that's the great plan of it. He could have. He could have used any other thing. He could eroded in the sky. He could have dropped off evangelist tracks through planes, whatever no, he used fallible. died faded manned spread the word. Earlier shot me cut you off to talk. Show have contemplated this. Why would the people? Why would the Christians who understand God's sovereignty in election? Be More Zealous for evangelism than those who believe salvation is purely a human response and what I've concluded, that is the reason the and those who believe in human free will, if you will is kind of a common way, it said. I think the people who believed salvation is all a human a response to the to the Gospel Message. When it is rejected. They give up. Because the and they feel like a failure because they feel like it's on them. I think people do the the evangelist who understand God's sovereignty. Realized that they plant seeds. That's the responsibility they don't. They don't have to germ the sade and those who go with this free wheel concept believed. They believe that they are failure. If they don't get the result, that's why we have gotten into this. You're completely agree. That's why we got into this area of church where I mean. Chart Charles Finney this this invitation at the end of the the message, a lot of times right and I'm not against invitations, but I'm against them. Being given wrong I'm I'm against someone. Using music to manipulate emotions I'm against this trying to do everything. Raise your hand. Look up doing these these these false things about which. Has there been people say that? Yeah? I was one of them. There's not a depth of that. You see what I'm saying without a fog machine. Can't say there wasn't a fog machine in there. It could have been. Years old now. We don't but we. We were trying to put it. Lands effort rather than. We're not the one who saves anyways. It's the Holy Spirit who convicts cry is God. Who Saves to the grace of? About this before it get out of the way come do business with God type of invitations that we see today. Look I don't have a problem with those type of invitations as long as it comes on the backside of the Gospel. If you've shared the Gospel, you could take come to Christ I. don't care if I believe what I believe about God choosing you and you think you've chosen. It doesn't matter if you've shared. Shared the Gospel, the True Biblical Gospel Death Resurrection of Christ and you've explain mice in in need of a savior did look say whatever you want at that point because you know the Holy Spirit is going to convict and say he won't do. You don't have to even have an invitation breach Disarma-. Know how God can put more money in your bank account, and then I give an invitation then that you say you say. Dan's Mary inappropriate broker I. I would question and that's a good point I would question is is if if I hear someone who's come to know the Lord? But then I listened to the message through that message came came through, and I'm never even heard. The Gospel proclaimed through that message. I've got questions. We'll people a Lotta time for coming to everything under the sun, except cry yes. Yes, and that's why I wanted to say that about a burst eleven up there about not being disappointed. I just wanted to. What we settled that in the last episode was not a Prosperity Gospel message. If you present the Gospel, there's really nothing about this life. You're actually talking about yeah yeah. It's all about eternity, is it? It's you know I the Kingdom of God and his righteousness, and the things that I will be added to you in proportion. God you know it, will always we. We read in Romans Eight. What's it all things work together for good. and. That includes like some some disappointments hearing this. I it it could be your whole life full of disappointments as far as. Concerned right it could be whole persecution, but we know that God's using that to mold you into the image of Christ. See, clearly the danger. You guys were talking about to give an invitation. Subsequent to a message of anything, but the Gospel will have people coming. To grab hold of something Albert Knock. Him a bit of good. That's right. Absolutely, that's why it's important to be up under a God centered Gospel preaching creature. is so important our listeners today just go to your church and evaluate your preacher. Just just open up the Bible be a Brian. Listen to it. Is he preaching the Full Council of God? If not have a conversation with them right? Hey, I'm struggling with that. You know starting while you're not doing this, but here's the thing. If he's not a gospel humane, one find another preacher. You need to be up under a gospel preaching preacher, but even that goes back to. You Got to know the Gospel to know whether you're preachers. That you need to hold with the war. Do you need to go up under a preacher to sits there with his bobble open and doesn't close it any preaches from the Council of God he questioned us go to the bow. Don't don't listen to us. Go to your scripture and make sure that what we're saying holds up to this. Because the only authority is is this is the Bible Person? Person Do that Blake listless doing love. Song radio were doing a show. Let's say we get off on on a wrong track. I would a person contact us of the lifelong radio DOT com there you go, that's a that's an easy way to do it. Yeah, citizen email would love to talk to you about these things and we want to do it gracefully. I, want that's to do. Great arguments or anything because here's the thing everybody at this table I know feels the same exact way. If we've said something that doesn't line up with scripture. That's the last thing in the world to do so let us because we want to repent, and we WANNA correct share to well gas a man. We didn't get very far today, but what a great great words I think just just application today is we need people preaching the Gospel we need people preach about the people will not be saved apart from from not preaching the Gospel. They need in. People are not gonNA. Come to know the Lord if we do not breach the Gospel. Anyway Jimmy what a great show to end on Man I'm is nice knowing you blake I love you praying for you. Thank you for this ministry. We're GONNA continue upholding. It will be in touch with you. Hey, we live in our giving our listeners. Some some hopefully y'all can report back to us on some things, and maybe we can you know Kinda. Keep them up to date done and get a year out and then Jimmy Mind. Closes out man. That's IT LIFETIME RADIO DOT COM. Don't forget folks Let's pray father. Lord we thank you or every thing that you have given us. Lord for Christ I Lord we just thank you for the sacrifice that he made so that we may have eternal live Lord, thank you for giving us preachers so that we may know who Christ is, so we may know the Gospel that saves us an and gives us eternal life. Lord, we thank you for that Lord. I, thank you for the seven almost seven years of this ministry. Lord I. Just I pray now that she would continue to bless this. I think you for brother Tom Coming on I, think for the commitment that Blake and feel have made over the years in the time that Mike spent with us, Lord. I just thank you. For allowing me to be a part of it Lord. We just love you. We think he will give you all the honor all the praise, and the one thing that you require above everything else, and that's all the glory. It's Jesus name that we pray Amen. You've been listening to live song radio. You can follow us on facebook and you too, and if you want to continue to study throughout the week checkup, the resources available on our website at live song, radio DOT com. See you next week for another episode of Live Song Radio.

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Interviews from G3, Part 1

"This week on the rap report. We're going to have some interviews that we took back at G. Three. So you're going to hear too great interviews that you want to listen to today. Gritty Adams is a brother who is going to encourage your heart. He has a heart for the Gospel for evangelism you. I'm just going to say try not to cry. That's all he's GonNa he really is a passionate brother. And I think you're really you're GONNA be encouraged by his testimony. Then we have a brother from the down under from Australia area and he is with grace to you you my friend Cameron beutel was at a ministry boost so I grabbed him and we talked about how he got here to America and little bit insight into grace to you and John Macarthur in the ministry there. So you're GONNA want to check that out. So that's what you have coming your way today. On the rap report Angie reports wrapped where we provide physical interpretations and application and this is in ministry striving for eternity and the Christian podcast community for more content or to quest speaker for your church goat time for Attorney Attorney Dot Org all right. Well we are here here at G.. Three and we are using someone else's Road Caster so I'm hearing a little bit of a different sound. I don't know how it's going to come out. I hope it comes out well but we're here at G.. Three at destroying fraternity and Justin Peters booth. We got a booth together. And I'm Greek. Joined by Grady Adams who is as someone who really is a great encouragement to me. I set this up before you guys here you. You'll probably figure this out on your own but some of you know I have a lot out of energy and I think I found someone that has as much if not more than I am so greedy. Welcome to the RAP report. Thank thank you Andrew. This is an honor and a privilege and my energy is only when I talk about the Lord. Yeah this is where you're supposed to Andrew the Andrew but I know you came by the booth. Who was the first time you've got to meet face to face? Yes and it it was. It was a joy just when reason I want to have you on as you're talking about would you do and how you share the Gospel. I WanNa talk about that because that would be. I think a great encouragement to folks but before we get there. We're g three. This is a great conference. I always ask my guests when we're here to three. What so far? What's the messages that that really had the greatest impact on you would have you enjoyed the most while you're here a while the message all albums had an impact I would say the? QNA had a large impact when they were talking about Our main purpose in worshiping is to worship God and not look to other things. Thanks and I think a lot of times in a church We don't go in with an attitude of worship in the the true and living God and he's to be feared. He is an awesome. God I love my pastor says we. We shouldn't use the word awesome. Unless we're talking about God and you look at the Psalms and they talk about the all of God and that's eight he w w e and that's awesome frau he is an awesome God and this has been a great great great conference about an awesome. And I think that's the highlight. We're GONNA say we worship The question is always what is the object abject worship and I think that has come through very clearly and all the messages yes that we have to have the object being Christ being the right view of God and when we have a right view of who got is and we understand it well we want to worship him. Yes it's actually when I did a study the on a biblical study on worship the thing. I ended up realizing that. Maybe we'll have a misunderstanding of that word. They think it's about seeing people talk about worship as as if it's how it makes me feel good so far from the truth worship is being in awe of someone who is worthy. Yes it's worth ship is where the word actually comes from. And so when we have a worth ship we see someone who has the the object object is worthy of all we worship. If we don't have a right view of God we're not GonNa properly worship him that is so oh true and we also when we look at his attributes that causes the causes us to worship him and being all of him and at we call a song later a worship leader but no the pastor is the the chief tailed or whoever's bringing the word of God the troon living God were so blessed to have God's Word I mean in in in this country we have access to the word of God. I mean in numerous forms. I on computer on our phones through the the written word and we don't take advantage of a lot of times especially really the church in. It's just heartbreaking the church members and you talk to them and they don't even open up the word of God except on Sunday Sunday and son and their bibles right around in cars. That just breaks my heart. I think that would you see. Is that that some people get distracted by the things of this world and don't have that eternal mindset that we teach driving for turning they don't they're not thinking about how everything everything has an internal impact. They're just thinking. Let me get through this day I just actually at breakfast. Someone came up and wanted to introduce themselves to us and she recently. She recently found out she has cancer and she came over to us and just wanted really some encouragement of how how do Oy live with the pain and be able to glorify God in this. And that's that's the thing where she actually was a great encouragement to us because she's sitting there and says I just I'm trying to have this. Eternal perspective is turn mindset. I just want to think about eternity because it just helps me not to think about the the pain I'm in and we're like yes. That's exactly when you Second Corinthians chapter five the this temporal body is going to go away but there's a time we're going to be. He's sitting before Christ and we're not gonNA care about all my back hurt and this hurt and that her. We're not going to care about cans none of that because all gonna be gone. We're just GONNA sit at the feet of Christ this and that's the mindset. I think we have to have to really be able to properly worship. I think that's what's what's coming through in the messages here. Yes and and I'm sixty five and I'm getting in an age where I know headed to towards the other side Sooner than than Back when I was in my thirties or even younger than that and I wake up every morning. The first thing I do is I thank the Lord for another day and that's part of worship is thanking him and praising him and giving him glory and and our mind purpose as S. Christians is to give glory to God and I'm starting to get arthritis a little bit and that makes me want to lean on him more and I look at people that have physical ailments and used to odd wonder how can they worship worship. God how can how can that just like to lay with cancer. But then as I'm getting older in my walk with Christ I'm real laws ause and that's what makes me lane on him more. Yeah and he search you. Great God to give us I've got a BLOB blog posts. Ah started recently and and I wrote a blog about Being thankful and I asked a question argued thankful when you when you face trials and tribulations because James told us to be faithful and give give thanks to the Lord and those are one thing that draws us to the true and living God and one of the things that you end up seeing with that as you mentioned your your First Second Corinthians five but what one of the things so one of the things that you end up seeing is that we can look at that where are our bodies are going to be gone away with that which is eternal is where we should be focused. That seems to be hard for folks but one of the things interesting about that passage as our bodies start to decay more and more we have more of a view you'll be certainty. It gives him more of a desire to be with. Christ yes and so. I think that's one of the things that we So to many Christians are Kinda stuck in this world Right in the temporal. The things that are not thinking about that which is eternal which is the whole. I mean. That's really the heartbeat of striving for attorney to get people thinking that way having that mindset of eternity so the things of this world don't hit the Mike. I'm Jewish. I speak with my hands. So so the thing that those things that you you have that last past Because of your perspective is on that you don't get bothered as much by the things of this World Roy and this one things. I'm realizing as I get older older. I look forward to being in the presence of the king of kings and Lord of Lords and I can worship ship for ever and you know the things of this world. We're just passing through warp. We're pilgrim's yeah and they don't manner and they shouldn't manner to the Christian we should be looking forward to being with our Lord and Savior. That's right now so let's move. Let's transition here. I get into your truck. Our trade yes and you have just an infectious way of being of talking to people. I've been and watching your your like a as even going around here with other believers. You're always you're always just a very enjoyable person. Speak to your very jolly which has got to work well with you and you do your job and you have some interesting ways of doing that. So let's talk about evangelism how you is a truck driver go about doing your evangelist this kind of you to say about apnea. I'll give all the credit to the Lord. He gives us our personalities and I was raised in a home where I was taught to speak to everyone. John Treat everyone the way I wanna be treated and I have a heart for truck drivers being a truck driver and a and not just truck drivers for everyone. 'cause I think of how painful eternal damnation hell. Hell is going to be and Dan is a to me it just a break down. In tears somewhat spinning eternal turn onto him L. and we have the opportunity to share the truth with people and whether a a truck driver or just anyone on the I carry tracks with me out if not giving someone or track I leave a track arrest him a poem in bills. Or you know I think of creative ways when I leave a tip and when I leave a tip I I don't leave a waitress a quarter. I'll leave them a very good. Tia Causes Christians. If we want the world to to take notice we've got to share the blessings the Lord has given us and they'll pick the track at Morita Kassir. Lot while that guy you know he was really nice. And it's not me as Christ but they don't realize yeah and I I've found a ministry go their fourth ministries and they do little test two the months for truckers and they do them for law enforcement and Medical Profession for armed forces different different fines. mccollum I love. The truckers is the truckers reference. Manual law enforcement is law enforcement laufer efforts menu. And it's a copy of the psalms in Hebrews stories and help purchase some todd friel's books Are Your raw fish which is a really excellent little booklet and Dan. I put ear and WanNa Paul washers tracks. Which is the Gospel? Jesus Christ in inside outside of the OPPO that inside of the test and the little booklet with his mom and walk it drivers when I see them. I don't go around and try to wait Kenia bothering while the owner breaks but if there's a driver out went on fueling a lot of times I'll hit four or five drivers at fuels or when I'm out in the parking lot fussier driver inside. I'll I'll carry them in and I ask them. Are you Christian united the Lord. Jesus Christ and I'll tell him look I've got you a little truckers reference manual. Most of the time they they will take and will and a lot of times we get have a discussion and I can share the Gospel Way. Sometimes I don't and when I don't then I can pray. Lord please please let this guy Read this and UH please please convict his heart of his sin. You know the thing. Is that your the way. Okay you go about it the way that your your whole attitude. I think affects the way you're GonNa about the cause your mindset as hope people hear this. I hope that you who are listening here in ingredients voice. The first and foremost it's to please God but it's also the Compassionate Compassionate realizing their attornal state without Christ. Yes and I hope that folks you're hearing in his voice the compassion and that's do we need to present people and we share the Gospel. It's not just hey I got this five point outline. Let me You're you're you're you broke law you're guilty and going to hell you can't save save yourself. It's people could tell if someone's doing something from Rotin but they can also tell as we're hearing your voice they could tell when someone is really carrying about where they spend. Eternity nets a big deal. I don't know if people are are considering not if people when they they vandalized because okay while I got two more or some unfortunately they would like to evangelize because they like to show how much they know compared to someone else. Yes someone else doesn't know as much and I'll look how look how smart I am. It's like no you actually WanNa be sharing the Gospel because of the fact that you care where they spend eternity Roy in and the other reason I evangelize Angela's every morning after. Thank the Lord for another day crowd. Tomas I Lord please use me for you blurt sort of only been used your glory. Because he pull me out of the Murray Clay I was. I was the the biggest centers Paul said he was achieved. But I'M GONNA argue with him when I get heaven. Yeah Yeah you can. You argue with him. And I'll be. But but he pull me out of the Mari Clay and he set my feet on the solid rock of Jesus Christ and Psalm Nineteen Fourteen says Lord may the words of my mile may be please in an Ma the meditation of my Heart Be Pleasing unto. Oh you and and that's what I want. I want to be pleasing to my Lord. My master my savior my cane and I think we we as Christians so many times we forget he's are keen. Were children of Akim. And what what does king subjects do. What does he his children do? They serve him and it's a joy. Serve me it is you know. It's it's just neat to see. I mean this is the thing that I found so interesting with you. Even when you came over by table you're you're dissection encouraging person to speak with your your mindset is just so clear in you know it was interesting the other night A couple a couple of US Paul washer disappears myself. A couple of others were like five or six talking and afterwards just ask me. He's like what do you think about. You know Paul Washer that it comes in and he says it's and this is the same thing I'm finding with you. It's that it's so clear with the issues that we're talking we're going back and forth discussing social justice and and politics goes like he goes. I should be in the jungle somewhere because I don't understand these people all the politics. He's this about Jesus Christ Christ coming to Earth shedding his blood for us. Like why do we worry about these other things. Focus on the Gospel. And that's we're here with you as well. It's like all these distractions that we could have. They don't seem to distract you. Because you seem to be fixated on the most important thing God and sharing sharing has good news and that is the most important thing and Christ told us as a body of believers that we're to love one another and and by our love for one another the world would know him and see him and that's what breaks my heart about the social jazzy disaster. Yeah 'cause I mean you know the world should be seeing us as loving one another and and praising God and worshipping him and and just live out his fullness in our life every day he put us here and just think it must have been wonderful to be in a garden and and not have seen and that's the other joy I'll look forward to no more sin Ah hated in his am and you know I'm not sitting here so saying I'm perfect Kazaam far from perfect and that's the thing that the world needs to know. Christians aren't perfect we're centers and we still have to beg repentance from a true and living God that's that's right. Well listen as we wrap up. I can't just you know here we are. We're at G.. Three were at the striving for Turney booth that is also Christian podcast community booth and yet I'm seeing you we're a t-shirt it looks at the bar podcast Biblical and reform so for folks who don't know this. Today is bar day at G.. Three everyone takes out there bar podcasts gear. So we've seen a lot of bar podcast and just thinking podcasts shirts. So you're you're representing their which. I'm sure dwayne appreciates so you're listening to those guys over there. Yes I'll listen dewine and I have been friends for probably about a year longer and And then Darren Virgil I love just thank you and I love the podcast community. Because is a truck driver. I can listen to shows shows that glorify God and I can grow in my fe as I drive and yes I do have my personal devotion uh-huh and spend time with the Lord but that's one thing I'll say about truck driving I can. I can Rodney trig listen to Christian broadcast broadcast and a great preaching great podcast and praise the Lord going down the road. Well I mean. Don't you know we know Duan's joins not gonNA listen to this because you know he doesn't listen us but he's actually good people so we don't tell them that anyone we don't want him to know that but now we we love the bar. podcast just thinking. Those are great. Great podcasts over there so great thanks for coming your your your own journey. Andrus Joe I just pray for all are you guys for your network for the wines at work and and the other Christian podcast that I listen to because our our purpose in life is to glorify government will thank you for coming on grady. You're more than welcome injury. Thank you brother all right so here. We are again at G. Three. We're in the in the exhibit hall. Here you might hear some people walking around and some of the chatter. We're at a pretty busy spot out here. And we're at the striving fraternity booth which also has the Christian podcast community and we're also sharing it with Justin Peters ministries. So that's a great ministry check cowed if you're involved with the eeyore new apostolic reformation or word of faith checkout Justin Peters Dot Org and get some good teachings to get out of that you know people who are in that get all right but we have another great ministry being represented here and that is grace to you and I have my friend. Cameron Battelle L.. Who is you're GONNA eat? I'm hoping that I don't have to do too much interpretation for you guys. He he speaks with accent I think he has a ah a different language. He speaks he may sound British. Is that it. No No. You're from Australia. Can you pushing it Andrew. So care we we go back quite a ways. I think the very first time you and I met was actually in studio at wretched. I don't know if you can remember that yet. Yeah that was back when living waters when they had the deeper conference Roy. That's right. Yeah I'm back in the. Yeah so that would be actually tonight. Aric wow okay all right. That's making me feel older. I will admit that we probably both looked younger. Ah Younger back then. Well then a few more laps around the sun since then every lap gets injured. I've noticed that every lap gets faster and being a tad bit older than you. I like it agree. Well I will respect my elder as long as you. Don't call me a Brit. I'm I'm not a palm. No No uh-huh no but but under. The Brits is the palm we we just WANNA educate your listeners. That the English people are palms. pompey's we'll have to. We'll have stands for poor old me or all me. Hopefully not a palm. Tom And as long as you are upon all respect my Elda all right. Well we we do have a mutual friend Fred Butler who WHO likes to every? Ah I don't think he ever talk about failure with out talking about what will kill you there. Yeah that's right. In fact I get a lot of questions strategy especially Stratton Wildlife and defer all to Fred. Fred is a resident expert on Australian wildlife and phone A- He hasn't been there but he assures me he's watched lots lots of television. So incredibly reassuring. Yes yeah you can always believe what's on TV so let. Let's talk about how you came to America How I mean? You're you're of industry you. How'd you get here well in the in the promised Thomas Limb well You know simply I wanted to go to John MacArthur senator. John MacArthur is my my hero and he still is and I wanted to go to his seminary now there was other teachers are length. From but what macarthur had that was courage of conviction I just oughta loved about John MacArthur's in every format in every situation whether he's talking to Larry King with his preaching at Grace Church coach whether he's at a conference or token to you know kids he's always saying the same things sime strike biblical answers a dozen thousand try to nuance. Things will be clever or assesses audience. He's just a man preoccupied with biblical truth and he communicates that you see him talking to even The current governor of California Gavin newsom very ungodly man. You find some video of him talking to Gavin newsom bad homosexuality and its pastoral one. I one run on how to deal with these worldly issues and I just thought if the theological bums at dropping WanNa be John McCain is trench and so I wanted to get a seminary so I went to attend the mass to seminary My wife is tiny selection living in Denmark at the time. But I'm originally from Australia and I was actually wretched radio that I started to get sandbox of John macaca and then from there I that was when I was really pissed discovering how to use the Internet I was very light in the guy with using the Internet. Didn't really understand it but then when I discovered podcasting in being able to Control the Tom's when I listened to content and then access content. Yeah I was just great I I could then start to excess wholesome and stop to learn and that that was terrific to me certainly when I was in Australia for example for example It was incredible. I didn't know I didn't know anyone anyone who I thought. It was straightforward that. The Bible took that women couldn't be passed as I just thought that was just straightforward. It is I actually didn't no anybody who agreed with me. I didn't know anyone so you know I'm sinful on fallen and so you got. Could it be that I'm writing everyone. Else's Ron I and my default is that couldn't be could it because you know I do get stuff wrong but it was just that alone just to hear him talk about that and go. Wow Oh wow someone who agrees with me. You know like this is fresh Ed. This is drinking from a fire hydrant. And and so I've I've always been in Just loved MacArthur. A man who loves the word of God. He's Semons the overflow of his love and study of the word of God and to to learn from him and to be able to just to access that Online was gripes me. Now I get to work there when I was started. Seventy that grace to you asked me to work for them and there was some issues with visas and so forth but eventually I was able to work from. I started pot Tom and then fulltime and yet they might people you know they're like minded people and sometimes even asked me that harm sickness and you know working Congra- St Q.. At my home sickness with my people Feel right at time. I don't know if everyone would say the same about me. I hype side but certainly for me. That's the case all right so one of the questions. I always like to ask guests while we're here g three so now. You're not in a position where you probably got to go into into too many of the sessions because you're working in the as an exhibit booth but have you made it to any of the sessions at all. I've caught bits of them. Generally what I do. This method G. Three is I I man the booth. I'll like to talk to the people and then I I am download all the material and a guy through it when they court pots Pasta Pasta John Salmon last night huge crowd huge crab man. That was a huge tent. That was really amazing Heard a little bit of Q.. You and I haven't caught a lot though having okay so now you're in a little bit different than people that maybe just here attending but so far. What's been the thing you've enjoyed the most of this g three? Yeah that's pretty easy. Actually because you know the social media world it can get pretty nasty in a facebook empirical proof of the doctrine of Providence. But that's among Christians uh-huh let alone others professing believes. Yeah I mean it's it's unfortunate but Come here people are so thankful for ministry and we just get so encouraged so I always love thankful that they let me come because I love to how many because everyone comes and I just love album. They love ammunition and they just a few in talking to us about that. So it's just great to meet everyone. I'm the first year we were here. Is One sticks. There was a lady who had who was on the hundred and fifth floor of the World Trade Center when the planes hit and she was unbelievable and she comes to saving faith after that. But the the thing that that shock invent Precipitated other things where she can decide five John McCarthy's ministry was instrumental in that but meeting eating her and hearing talk about that thankfulness. That was just really amazing. And now this as well and even some people we've helped fund good churches and things like that. So that's that's really the fun part of this. This is a lot of fun for many years. So you get to network for your hero. I do I do so. Let's let's talk about grace. You the Minister Grace You. I'm I would. Maybe there's someone new who is not listening to the rap report before because I think most of the listeners of the rap report know who John Macarthur is what grace to you is but maybe someone's new sitting. Let's talk about grace to you. It's mission who John MacArthur is. Is it common misunderstanding in one. That I haven't had when I came. He is that Grace Church is not grace to you John. Macarthur's the the pastor of Grace Community Church. Everyone who works at Christ. He was a member of Christ community church. But that's the church and then on the campus of the Chech- is the master's seminary. That's where I I studied read. And that's another ministry gained John Macarthur. The president of the seminary Maybe the chancellor now on trial graduated a while ago and then there's the master's University in Santa Clarita where we live. And then there's also grace to you. which is what we are? And that's his his international ministry that we have the we control the vault of his salmon's down. Let us we have the website. We have the books We have the online presence through social media through their website and blog. I wrote on the blog and so we have it's kind of like had global reach from grace to you and We have as supporters. Help us when we try to be very generous with that. And and I say we loosely. There's other people that I worked for ministry. That's exceedingly generous. And I'm a beneficiary of that by my work environment and and being being having a limited to give stuff out and not being pressured to try and fundraise. So it's IT'S A. It's a remarkable experience but yeah we are. We have the volt of the McCarthy Salmon's and so now there's seventy thousand Salmon's downloaded today from grace to you so in two thousand and night when I would just selling the types and then selling the CD's Simmons is it. Let's just make the volt open and freely available and that was a With trepidation I did that. I guess because their bread and butter was that selling CDs. And you know what we still have a hundred supporters. Get cassettes no way. Yes why. I isn't a cop car this week. That still has a cassette player and We injury you can another podcast. You can explain about cassettes. Arima cassettes and and so we we got people getting cassettes but but we made it freely inviolable and so people can buy CD series from us now and some people still want to do that but must've it is just freely available through the Internet and that's just exploded outreach around the world and also then might al just being distracted attracted here. But that's all semi out Osama bin downloaded get It's up to about two million a month now. Download just expanded our reach and expanded `support so John MacArthur has been preaching for over fifty fifty years now at one church. Well Yeah and he. He had You know speaking ministry before then as well. But yes as Pasta. Rice Chech- fifty years burroughs born. Now he's he's approaching eighty years. Yes okay and he is. Ideally yeah yeah so I guess we're born around the same time I was. I was still in diapers when he was when he came to graced. You are starting at Grace Community Church. I was born months after I was born dies before Armstrong walked on the moon. I'll tell you why sixteen on April sixty eight so sometimes I have delusions of grandeur and walk around the Grace Church campus and think all the fifty year Celebrations could be about me so then I get snap back to reality. It's amazing fifty years in one poll put doing signed signed thing united ministries have come and gone. We've seen the trends come and go. He's just kept doing the same thing. There's no secret source is is nine magic recipe. That's what he does. He's an explosive in about thirty years ago he was teaching. He took some time off. Got Some vacation take time came back and started. I think starting to preach I peter and he talked about The fact that after being there for that time I think it was like seventeen years. There was the thought of your. Should he move on. Should he go somewhere else and he had shared that in a sermon that because as he was teaching the thought was okay. Is there anything more than I have left to teach. I've talked all these people you know. And he didn't go through all the New Testament that point and he was sharing with he was still some way off at that. Oh yeah it took. It took them forty five years to get through the new test. Marina took forty five years to get the commentaries completed and I think it was about and ah I could be wrong but I think about forty two years to actually preach through the New Testament. Okay Yeah and and American or him back then saying he realized that he was going through and just said this is telling us we just keep repeating because we need the repetition he said. I'm not moving where I'm not going to because God hasn't said to you know there's enough here to keep teaching this congregation. Yeah there's biblical idea that okay. Well now you've got a guy somewhere else that's that's coming from the world not that it's wrong to go and pasta somewhere else necessarily but guess what why what who sang that you should. Why does that question even needs to be raised The the the Bible Champions FIFA lease at Kohl's describe description. Scripture elda is You know he's you see all those attributes in his job description. I all point to a a man who is he's faithful and reliable in what he does. And that's part of shepherding. I think is that knowing that he's there and he's with them. He's not going anywhere because you don't want to ship it you know if your sheep you want the shepherd his sticking around you don't WanNa harling you want someone that's that cares about the sheep. Yeah you know in Australia. Rally that there's a chain of hardware stores called Mata Ten and the slogan used to be years ago with a man who owns the store runs store and I like that idea. You know because you know this guy's invested in it. Yeah you know like with the breakfast you know. The pigs committed to the skin. The chickens not so committed to the breakfast and he's only chickens because just given the eggs pigs give himself but also you know when this when the ruling is do i. He's just he's there on a wage. You know this the true shepherd he's invested in the people he's he's sticking around and he's he's GonNa be He can be counted upon to protect the shape So with graced you started out as a cassette ministry a move to DVD's then moved to now where it's free on grace at Gt Wide Dot Org and you can get all the MP threes. I mean thousands and thousands of sermons from John MacArthur. And it's free. Yeah there's one very tragic story of a guy it was who was carefully carefully copying all the types and constructing the whole library physically painstakingly laboriously gloriously. Not Working on it and the volt gets up and like just after we finished you. Bring that up didn't you. How was it you yeah no soccer antrim but it was character-building? I'm sure yeah yeah I spent. I spent about three years taking the I had at that time about fifteen hundred sermons and I had took. I got a device that I can put into my computer and convert vert. MP Three and the the so back then may or may not know this but there was a guy who I used to go to church with that had spent in all the years. Taking what Macarthur taught and transcribing them and Phil Johnston who is the executor. Grace to you contacted you know my friend and said Hey can you Can we get these transcripts. Because we're going to be putting everything out there and he ended up telling me because he knew what I was doing with with all the the editing and and he was like hey I think they're they're gonNA put them all. MP Three and so. I had called Phil Johnson and literally. It was about three weeks after I finished editing the last of the tapes that I had and my tastes what I do. Is I sit back in the olden days the grace you had a cassette tape lending library. So they'd yeah and they let me reproduce back and make a copy as long as there's for myself and I would get a dozen copies in. I chew lending libraries going where you get. It doesn't tapes in and I'd be I'd be copying one and a chip that often get the next one and so I was always I was always copying so like about a little bit over fifteen hundred messages. Your House was a hive of activity. It yeah it was. It was an eye then converted them all Tampa three. Did all the editing where it says. Turn the tape over at this point. There's a silence edited all that in three weeks after I was done I called Ville. And he's like. Oh Yeah we're going to be releasing it in like another couple of days all of the MP. The threes have been redone. And they're out there. They're going to be out there for free. You know really couldn't tell me that three years ago I thought you knew that was me and that's now your propel me that long ago. I think you told my wife that urban that now but it was years ago and I'd forgotten it was but I was always it. It was more the story that stuck with me that was like man. What a thing to do yeah I had my my son was at? My son was being as home school during his so his job Abdul homeschool was every time that he got a break in school he had to go flip a tape and I'd come home at night. I just editing editing editing but But I mean that is is the impact I mean. That's the dedication a lot. People have with the ministry grace to you because his teaching has been so impactful on so many people and for generations. Now what are some stories you've heard from grace to you. The letters you get in about how the ministries has impacted people. Well just I mean one. Amazing thing is a lot of people in charismatic churches. Gods drawing them I guess and they come and they want me they want biblical they want Proper interpretation united because I I have a charismatic background background myself and and I realize that the big the big stock and try to the charismatic preacher we talk about the idea of continuation with but really. The big problem is That they preach narrative as prescriptive rather than descriptive so a narrative passages passages describing. Something that happened that I would actually take a passage and say well you gotTa match around the White House seven times and blow your trumpets or something and uh-huh and all this sort of stuff and so it sounds biblical but it's not in some of these people actually want the text rightly handled and he does that end. So many people even at seventy seventy had that background so a lot of people just the lights turning on hearing him. I think also There's people who stumble upon it for one reason or another just in the car in the radio. You know working in Christian radio now who we're GONNA really bad spice and I I stumbled onto the grace to your radio show. You know I'm not a writer. I'M A podcast go. I love to download control can listen when I'm in the car but still We're on a bath. Almost thousand stations I think in the major markets and for so many people still let's That's key and and for many radio station. They tell us that is their flagship show and side. The influence day that the stories that just come back to influence the pay. The lives Chineste against people in prison. People in prison even coming are starting to study the Bible Studies in prison and using the cop the Study Bible with Macarthur commentaries. That's another big thing. You know the Tappan walloping working there is that the comedy set was completed. And that's an amazing thing. Thank you got to just stop and think about that for a moment who has written a commentary series on the entire New Testament. I think Calvin did a a series on most of the Bible except for I think revelation and another book and that's a monumental achievement. Calvin did because he only lived to be fifty six but but other than that. I can't think of anyone who's done. Commentary like all the way through. This is a monumental mental achievement and the same ham unique applied all the way through. And you know what accessible for the for the preacher and the regular person to help understand ended an incredible and not that expensive to buy the whole set when they just specials and things like that. So that's just a real treasure. We haven't opposition possession session and it's just incredible thing to to to. Mike is Through the entire New Testament verse by verse verse after verse lending in context. And also doing that protecting himself and the listener protects the listener. I guess from thinking that of Salmon is about them. Oh He's just signed that to me. This is this is just the next section up to protects the preacher from shortchanging his congregation by picking and choosing the Bitsy doesn't WanNa preach because we know they're a certain area fifty one sections of the bobble that some people don't WanNa Touch Ya. They don't want to go there that's too hard. The truth is too uncomfortable inconvenient and McCarthy guys now I have to find a way through it is when I was when I was pastoring. A church where we had a woman who got upset. She wasn't a she was. I'm not a believer. Her husband was and she. She wanted to leave the church. I didn't know to a couple of years later. She had told one of the ladies in church reason that they they left was because I was preaching about her every week that I was sharing her sin with the whole congregation wing. What in the world is she talking about? I actually had to go back and figure out. What was I preaching when she left and I realize realized I'm just I'm preaching through and Matthew? Eighteen is what I hit. So it's all talking about the pride and humility and so she was feeling conviction as I'm talking about the pride and I didn't have in mind at all but she must have been feeling that verse by verse just going through and that way I'm not pointing out anyone. You know the Truth Matters Conference put on by grace to you. They had which was just beautiful to see radio station if to radio station after radio station giving thanks for the fifty years of John Macarthur author some of them that were saying that he was. He came on when they just started the station. He's one of the early early of people to to have on and in just how he's been consistent they've how they talk about different. Radio shows that kind of wood go by the wayside but macarthur never did fifty years. And that's why you're also good say fifty years of faithfulness and you know there is there is a bit of a downside to this and that is that what John McCain it does well. This isn't the downside which macaca does is very simple. He's not doing some something really complex. He's preaching he's doing the hard work he's doing a lot of heavy lifting but he's preaching through the Bible verse by verse reading the text and explaining. Why more people do that you know? This is where it's sat and God honors that Persistence and faithfulness in doing that. So this is what there should be more of there is. There is a sad commentary in this. I think on the state of preaching around the world and around America that people gravitate sign much to this it is outstanding outstanding preaching but we should have more of it and more people should be in churches with I get this as a steady dot and I only say that suggest anyone listening that be at a church where they do that. And if you're a PASTA ASTA do that. Darn Don look for some secret formula. Some special strategy just be faithful and move your way through scripture. You mentioned Matthew a few days before I think that that passage on Chech- disciplined Matthew Eighteen. Fifteen to twenty. That's that's a great example of in my mind line of John McCarthy's heroism in that early on in his ministry. He came to Matthew Matthew iding. And it says we've got to the steps of Church discipline confront on an individual in sin. Call him to repentance if he doesn't then bring a witness if he doesn't then report it to the church and if he doesn't respond then I'm send him amount and no one did this now. They actually said that if he did it he'd lose the Turkey so he had so he had he couldn't find any other churches that were doing it and then within his own church. His eldest didn't want to support him in either. And this is the man and it's not like this was like he was intrepid i. She was just very straightforward demons. He tells it was. This is what we gotta do and so he stuck at it and I did it. And the church is growing and now now many churches practice biblical Chech- discipline and it is actually strengthen. The Church and many churches have practiced expedition preaching. Thanks to him and it has also strengthened the church absolutely absolutely. There's more people doing it as a seminary training men to do that. And so it's it's a growing thing you know we can look at the world world and see things you know lament certain things getting worse but some things are getting better. Not I think there's a lot more explosives now than they probably was you. Now when John MacArthur Elliot's Ministry in the seventies and when he describes it that way you know he he couldn't find another church that practice church discipline so that was a very difficult. Thank him he 'cause I know for myself. I'm having wait. We planted a church in Denmark are now we didn't want to reinvent the wheel. We wanted to benchmark off other people who are doing doing it well so we were just looking at people and trying to replicate Church Ecclesia things like that to to to do things right to honor God but with that you know he didn't he had to. They had to plow through that and just be faithful to the word of God and and God is on it that I think history shows that. Yeah that was that. You're right. His Turkish this man was a major cutting point for him. So as we wrap up you work for grace to you. which is you know we got these big booth this year? More than I've seen in the past Gabu. Yeah I mean I. I know that I know John is not going to be listening listening. So I'm pretty safe with this but I did show this to fill the the first day you guys were out here. You had these year these two big eye banners. I mean huge uh-huh square banners. That are probably about ten feet in the air and they both have a picture of MacArthur on scripture vs on each side. Each of the four sides have different things things and so there's two on one side of each has picture macarthur now. The first night they both pictures and macarthur were facing one way. You have this big thing over the over the top. This this is grace to you and hymns Grayson all this. That's a circle. I snapped picture. Did show it to fill. Maybe that's why this got changed but it looked like there was the twin towers of Macarthur with a Halo on top. I noticed that came in in the morning and John John with turned around. So there's only one picture of him on each side saying that's what we iming fool. I don't know if that's what it looked like. The Twin Towers Macarthur within the halo. That's definitely not where I am in full. And not something that he would want. No he would I said he would. He'd probably shoot me if I you know. He certainly doesn't like anyone making a big deal out of himself. That's amazing about. Yeah that's amazing is he. Doesn't he's he's so Well loved and respected. And he doesn't go to his head he's he's I mean you go to grace community church the second hour and he's standing there shaking. Everyone's hands to just here. You know they they can come and show their appreciation. And that's just encouraging that he's he's not that standoffish that he's not there. He's there to be a shepherd I mean it's a it's a balancing act for him. He has a lot of demands on him and so he has people telling telling me has to go places now so but but what something that a lot of people. Don't know about Joe McCarthy is he is a lying in the pulpit that but he's A. He is an exceedingly gracious. Man in person He loves everybody. He is super kind and his. Just I ten demand in person and and I've met a lot of people who are the opposite of that they they They are lions lions in person tender in the pulpit. And that's the wrong way too but yeah and so because he committed to the truth. It's not a bad him it's about it's about about Biblical Truth About being faithful to that and so he's fearless with that because that's what he's been called to preach that's what he's compelled by and we were saying he's he's he's he's approaching eighty years old or at eighty years old and the thing that I always recognize. That is the energy. He's still got clarity a mind at his age he's got l.. Let Energy but you already brought up when we think about it. He was president of Master's seminary president of of Master's University Pastor of Grace Community Church. Obviously the head of grace to you you know he was involved in so much he scaling back but one thing. He's not scaling back what he does at the pulpit. That's been the center Anything that YOU WANNA share with folks. How can they get in touch with Grace d you how can they start getting the resources that you guys provide getting on the mailing list starting to help to support grace to you? Well I would say also just on. 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American Gospel with Brandon Kimber

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American Gospel with Brandon Kimber

"You know we live in times where we have been dealing with being at home and things like that and we did not want to miss giving you an episode but halfway through the recording our guest lost Internet and we had to switch to a phone conversation to get the rest the recording so you will hear an audio change about halfway through however the content is so good. We did not want you to miss it so stay tuned for the RAP report. Come to the RAP report with your host Andrew Rappaport where we provide biblical interpretation and application is Ministry of striving for eternity and the Christian podcast community for more content or to request speaker for your church go to striving for eternity. God more all right. Well I'm your host Andrew Rappaport. Welcome to another rap report. We're glad to have you with us would really looking forward to today. We're going to have someone on who has produced a film that I could say literally has impacted the world. How do I know that well many of you know that I have been travel and speak? I've traveled around the world but I've gone as far as the Philippines. That's about as far as you can get from where I live. It's literally the other side of the world and even while as the Philippines. I had so many people that had been impacted by this film. And we're talking about it so many that said they came out of Carrie's mania because of it they were so involved in in a false gospel and that film is American Gospel. Which kind of sounds weird? It's American Gospel and yet they're having this problem in Philippines in Mexico and everywhere else but I wanNA welcome Brandon Kimber. Who is really the director of the one that I've only seen behind the camera all the time. I've never seen anyone else when I've seen him filming so I think he's a one man shop he says he's not but I think it's. It's all more all his brainchild but brandon. Welcome to the RAP report. Thanks for having me. Andrew so literally you call this American Gospel. This has literally impacted the entire world. I mean there's this issue that you presented as an American Gospel issue has been an issue that really we. We ended up seeing everywhere. You started with your your first film. Which was Christ alone which has been out since two thousand eighteen but today we wanNA talk about your second one. You're the Chri- Christ crucified. Which came out just last year. But I WANNA I asked. What was your thinking? Why did you start the American Gospel which I guess right now is kind of a trilogy but maybe not because I know you're working on third one? What what was your thinking. Why did you start it? And did you ever think you would the impact that it has but this started really based on my own experience in struggling to understand the Gospel here in America I grew up in that kind of charismatic hyper. Charismatic type of church influenced by the word of faced doctrine. I would say that the Gospel wasn't very clear there was a really unbalanced view of God. I didn't really understand how grace and justice and righteousness kind of work together in the Gospel. Message in the Cross. I think my old pastor was very focused on grace like his. He would be the kind of guy that would say. The God of the Old Testament is different from the god of the new. He'd say things like I'm a New Testament. Preacher not an old testament preacher but I was aware and heard about the reality of Hell. I think at a young age. My parents took us to this. This play called Heaven's gates Hell's flames were S- kind of like you see stories of people dying and then standing before God and they either go to heaven or hell. I think that was pretty terrifying for me but it led me into this idea that you needed to ask. Jesus into your heart to become a Christian and I was very confused by that. Probably said that prayer hundreds of times and it wasn't until I was in college where I was introduced to the clear Gospel through the Internet and just discovering sermons online and it was just a a journey of hearing the Gospel that way and slowly realizing that the church that I was in was preaching moralism basically like moralistic preaching. Eventually I I left that Church. Even at the end of creating that first film we left that church just through this whole process but I yeah like you said. The impact has been incredible. It's in about sixteen languages right now. People all over the world are reaching out volunteering to do you know translation for subtitles. It's a spin by God's grace I you know I did not expect at all. But it's had a huge impact. Well let's start with the just briefly because maybe someone's listening and they they haven't watched the first one the first one. You actually started with the project where you kind of put out a trailer. You interviewed some people. Get some folks and put that out for kind of a concept. I guess for people like you who ended up getting in there. Because you've got some pretty big names in the first and the second one I think the second one maybe even more so just for folks who may not know just for background really quick. What was the the background of how you put that together? How did you? How do you into planning some of the interviews? You did just like oh I want to be in that or were they a little bit fearful. Because I think there's at least one who person who's a little bit fearful. The process is pretty difficult. I think over the course of three or four years and I started in twenty fifteen and started doing research and reaching out to people and I started interviewing people pastors and friends of mine kind of locally in my area and I created a concept trailer using those interviews along with like clips of some of the bigger named people and I put that out there as just kind of a way to show people that direction of the project. The problem I encountered was when you when a complete stranger a nobody contacts you to do an interview about the Gospel. I don't blame. I wouldn't blame a person for not trusting me because this is a topic about eternity. You don't want someone to take. Your words out of context may look like a heretic so I had some difficulty in getting people to participate of the one example would be maybe Paul Washer. I think he had some negative experience in being in volved in a film before where the producer of that film turned out to be a cult leader or something and they wanted to get him out of that film and were having some legal issues with that so he didn't want to deal with the trouble of being in another film so he declined at first but I ended up going and visiting his church which was nearby my in laws in Virginia and I talked with them in person and you know eventually we made an agreement that he would. He would do an interview But he would hold off on signing his appearance. Release until after. He saw the completed film and approved. And so I kind of use that as a way to get people anyone who maybe was having trust issues. I just offered you know. You don't have to sign here appearance to release until after you see how I use your footage so that really helps especially with the second film where I interviewed people who were in the Progressive Camp. You'll you're pretty intimidating guy. I've been around your very intimidated. You know one of the things is that you did the this one. We WanNa Talk. About the Christ crucified. One of the things that I saw this when I saw the film and unite talked about your privately was the fact that you did allow these guys to explain their view. I mean there I would say a good portion maybe quarter of the film is actually the Progressive Christians making their case and then clearly being completely shut down by the likes of every solid. You had you had Paul Washer. You had filled Johnson yet. Justin Peters there's even macarthur and you you you got the heavy hitters just like okay. Let's let's demolish what they said? But I think one of the things that you did so well is let them speak is to let them be able to say in their own words and you gave enough to give that they have the context. I mean this is one of the things that I hear about my book. What do they believe? Is I know that most people don't have a Koran or a book of Mormon or things like that so when I would quote these things I mean. Just give small quotes. I gave a lengthy quote so people saw the context. And I've had a lot of people told me that that was helpful because when they do share the Gospel with Jehovah witness or Mormon or someone like that they're not just grabbing one quote. They saw the context. We were able to understand that and that helped in sharing the gospel. I think one of the things that you did. That was just brilliant. Is that you'd let them speak. Do you get pushback on that. Not everyone likes that yes. Because that's I mean I'm sitting there. I'm sure going okay. I bet there's a lot of people that went. No this is. You're you're letting them evangelize so go through why you chose to do that. And what was some of the pushback well for one? I kind of understand when you're listening to people speak falsely about the truth. You're GONNA WANNA pull your hair out if you have any here The reason I decided to let them speak was I really feel like. It's a good apologetic tool to be to be able to understand the progressive argument. Because when you when you have a conversation with a friend who identifies as a progressive Christian you WANNA know. They're an understanding their thinking and I really thought that having the film kind of like a debate format would really help. People understand the full the differences between each side in their understanding of the cross the attributes of God And like you said some people thought I gave them too much time. I I feel a every time. I allow them to speak something false that I have someone come in and counter it with the truth. A lot of this disagreement focuses on the attributes of God. So when we talk about the cross the atonement penal substitution. It really comes down to the attributes of God's love versus is justice or you could say love and Grace Versus Justice Righteousness Erath And one of the guys. I interviewed his name. Is Tony Jones? He's kind of a leader. In the Emergent Church Progressive Christian Movement. He is against the doctrine of penal substitution. And he throughout the film will say that God doesn't need you can be a loving without his justice or he can forgive without demonstrating his justice. So he's trying to kind of pit one attribute against the other and he goes so far as say that God doesn't need to be beholden to any attributes at all that he can. He can just be love. He doesn't have to be justice or have just justice The problem with this is that when we get to the end of the film. Tony says the reason he hates. The doctrine of penal substitution is. Because it makes God the author of a terribly unjust system will tony. You just said that God didn't need to be just so why. Why is it a problem and he just allowed God to not be beholden to any attribute? So he could be unjust if you want to. But you're complaining that this doctrine makes God looked unjust. Like you're contradicting yourself. Right there so with that there may be some people who don't even know what Progressive Christianity is because this may be new for some people which means they definitely should go out right now and get the film because if you don't know what it is then you definitely should be checking out. I should mention that. If you WANNA get the film you can go to American Gospel Film Dot Com to buy a copy whether DVD or you downloaded from video or things like that but let's discuss what is Progressive Christianity. Because this is having an effect on more Christians than there are where many people don't even know they're in a church that's a progressive Christian church because it's such a gradual deceptive movement. So can you give the really kind of just as a broad brush of what people can expect when you say Progressive Christianity? What exactly is that? And and then maybe if like how do people lead into it? Like how do people stumble into slowly getting into Progressive Christianity? With maybe not even realizing it. Yeah Well Progressive Christianity. I think at the core has a different view of the Bible. A lot of these guys in this movement will not. They don't believe that the Bible is the word of God. They'll say it's written by men and that's it. Their view of the Bible is that this man's view of God that has progressed over time. So you go back to the Old Testament and e c difficult things in there were maybe. God is commanding Israel to use violence against a sinful wicked nation. And they're going to view that as a genocidal God and they'll think that that's just Israel's understanding of what God told them at the time but that was wrong they. They were wrong about that now. Our our understanding of God now in the president is much more evolved in an a higher in Weiser view of God so they'll even get even Paul's view and say that their view has evolved beyond his. So it's really looking at the Bible as a human book. You'll you might here I disagree with Paul here. And there's this emphasis on the red letters of Jesus that his words are somehow more important than the rest of the Bible. The Bible is not the word of God it's just man's thoughts about God And really what this comes down to? Is that the progressive has no objective authority on what is truth It's really just based on their feelings. so all the essential you know. Gospel doctrines are a really open to be questioned and reinterpreted in this case in the film we're talking about the doctrines of hell talking about penal substitution and I would just say that a progressive Christian really denies a lot of these core gospel doctrines. If you deny that Christ objectively accomplished an atonement on the Cross for your sin you're left with the cross. Just being like immoral influence where this this is just an example of how Jesus was really loving and now you should just be loving. Well you don't need the cross for that like any. Religion can provide a moral example so the religion of Progressive Christianity just becomes just love. God Love People. That's the law. Not The Gospel. You see this in your film so much of it is that they're the one word they seem to focus on more than any other love. It's all about love and yeah the thing that I think was shown by you allowing them to speak is the fact that they're definitional. Love is wrong. Their definition of penal substitution is wrong. It's it was good that you let them speak because even though yes. It is frustrating to listen to these guys over and over again. I'm just like wanting to yell at the TV. Because they're just they're wrong they. They don't even used proper definitions. Reinterpreting like words and definitions is another problem too and it is frustrating. Because they're sitting there and saying well I think it was either Tony or or a breadth that that said I won't point. He's like well. I'm just I don't accept the God like that just like you're not God I mean they sound exactly like atheists because they're they're not believers like eight the some of these guys I don't I can't say all fit into category unbelievers but some of the guys you interviewed. I can't believe they're saved. Because they're fundamentally talking about a very different God when they talk about God's justice and they're saying that that's just that's bad God shouldn't be punishing people. What should he do with criminals? Like I think the real thing with the Progressive Christians and tell me if you think I'm wrong but it sure seems like for all of them. The big thing is that they focus on man and not God. Do you agree yeah? I agree When it comes to their understanding of the nature of man the attributes of God you know. They're they're interpreting the attributes of God again through their feelings When it comes to me think the the nature of man a lot of them like Tony Jones will deny the doctrine of original sin. So I mean if you're if you're generally if mankind is generally good to begin with why do we need a savior? We don't just need a moral influence right you. Could you could be a witness or Mormon for that. Yeah and a lot of most of them are universalist. So you know everyone's going to heaven A lot of them are influenced by a guy named Richard. Rohr who I cover in the snow. Ninety did not know him before watching the film and when I was listening to him and he seems to be the father for a volley. He's guys in this movement and I'm just like man anyone listening to him. That knows the Bible should be able to quickly go. Okay you're just wrong. I mean there's one where you show UK's plan okay. This is what he does. He says Jesus goes well. That's not really Jesus because he has a different view of Jesus and this universal Christ so all he does is when it's convenient for him he says it says Jesus but this is really the Universal Christ and replaces it with two different. Jesus if you needed a clear example that he has a different Christ there. It is clear he splits Christ and Jesus in in like a very new age type away. Where is kind of this universal? I don't know it's bigger than Jesus will one of the things that I thought was so interesting when I'm sitting there and listening to him. Talk about the Universal Christ versus. Jesus I the thing that was going through my mind over and over is has he read. Galicians one nine and ten if you come with another gospel another. Jesus you're cursed. I may just kept going through my head over and over and over like he's he's actually making it really clear of of doing that. That is a perfect example of roar has said. His religion is not dependent on the Bible. So he's very clear about that when it comes to his view of. Jesus Christ listen to this quote on his website. He says if Christ is the Kite Jesus is the person flying the kite in keeping it from escaping away into invisibility. If Jesus is the person holding the string Christ is the great banner in the sky from whom all can draw life even if they do not recognize the one flying the kite so essentially saying you can be in Christ and understand the without recognizing who Jesus is so. He's divided the two so much that you can be in any religion a he is a perennial is basically like all religions Share a single divine truth even though they might have differences externally but they all share some type of core divine truth and so you can find the Christ where whatever in whatever religion you practice. He's also what's called a panatheist which is not Pantheon. Pantheon is a everything is God so Tan n the ISM would be all in God so he says Christ is another name for every thing so any physical. Object that you see in this. Universe is Christ. Every person is Christ so is view is like everyone's already in Christ. We don't need atonement and that's a different gospel. Yeah I would say so after this break would I wanna do is hone in on something that you said about the attributes of God because that is central and for folks that need to be able to spot this stuff or any false theology. It is always going to be found in the attributes got. So let's pick that up right after this break dog. Jehovah's Witnesses Dog Mormons Christian. Are you ready to defend the faith when false religions ringing your doorbell? Do you know what you're Muslim and Jewish friends believe you will if you get Andrew Rappaport Book. What do they believe when we witnessed to people we need to present the truth but it is very wise to know what they believe and you will get? Andrey Rappaport Book at. What do they believe? Dot Com. Can you answer the following questions for your children or for the person to whom you are witnessing number one is the new testament reliable to can you explain the trinity to me three hours? Jesus both God and man and a slew of other questions will be able to answer if you Andrew Rappaport New Book. What to we believe it will help you? Tana. Get your copy at. What do we believe? Book Dot Com. What do we believe? Book Dot Com. All right. Thank you todd. So let's get to this when we look at. I've always say when we look at any theological system. You look at any theological discussion debate. You WanNa look at Calvinism Armenian ISM YOU WANNA look at charismatic Non Charismatic. You any of it. I always teach people when I teach systematic. Theology is to go back to the attributes. God you're always going to find that false theologies have a problem somewhere in the attributes of God. You know when when I look at people that will say Oh God look down tunnels of time and saw who was going to be saved in. Who was an end? He elected that person based on what they were going to do. Well when I hear that I just go. God bound by time is he. Is he a being outside of time or is he bound by time? That he's gotTa look down the tunnels the time that's means he's he's no longer eternal and then the second question is is he not omniscient like he had to see what you would do to to know what he was? GonNa do so. He had to learn something even if you had to look down time to learn it a mission says. God doesn't learn things. He knows things so right there when people say that. I go you gotTa Different God the God of the Bible because you have a God. That's not eternal and not mission. Yeah and so I always break things down that way. It's like go to the attributes. Got And you can see there's problems you've brought this up a couple of times with Progressive Christianity and the attributes. God we already discussed one major one that they have an issue with which actually works into a second. One is God's love they view that God is Love God is love. They also can't see God as wrathful so when you speak of them and the attributes of God it's an essential thing because this is really how do identify the problems within Progressive Christianity. What are the attributes that they have issues with and both which ones do they overemphasize? Which ones do they ignore will wrath is one of the big ones? I don't think they would deny that. There's that Israel like experienced God's wrath in the Old Testament but again it comes down to their understanding of the Bible and because they just think maybe Israel was mistaken in their understanding of God. Then they have the freedom to kind of ignore that and I mean they had this view that somehow the God who had wrath against San in the Old Testament is not the same in the New Testament. Well I mean you look at the cross in Romans three. It says that the cross is a demonstration of God's Righteousness. It's a a propitiate action like us a sacrifice of atonement a- demonstrates that God is righteous will. Why did God need to demonstrate that he was a righteous or just God in the cross will be well it says right there that in his divine forbearance he passed over the sins previously committed so he forgived all the Old Testament say saints prior to the Cross because he passed over their sins based on the future payment he was going to make at the cross in in the person of Christ so he demonstrates that he's adjust God because he's punishing those sins in the person of Christ? I'm God is absorbing his own righteous requirements so wrath. Yeah it's a big thing and you'll see in guys like William Paul Young who is the author of the Shack. He you know if you've ever seen the film or read the novel he's denying that God has wrath. He's kind of promoting universalism and he in a later book called lies. We believe about God kind of agrees with the progressive you a penal substitution and they call it cosmic child abuse so he will say that you know if we've you the Cross as God punishing Jesus for our sins that that is viewing God as a cosmic abuser and really that understanding is based on a lot of. It's a straw man. They're ignoring a lot of things. Like the trinity and stuff like that but going back to other attributes of God. I think holiness is a big one. They they kind of reinterpret. There's a Lutheran theologian named Nadia Bolts. Weber who in her book? Shameless defines holiness as unity And goes as far as to say that you know like a a one night stand because that is the union between two people can be considered holy whereas the big the biblical definition of holiness is the opposite goddess. Separate from sin other transcendent. So they they really you know by inverting or changing the definitions are just creating a completely different. Understanding of God is interesting because you mentioned young in his book the Shack and then his later book the interesting thing with him and this really see with a lot of these guys progressive. Christianity's really a good title for their movement because they are in progression. The they're they're never staying where they're at they're always moving further and further liberal and Paul. Young is a good example because when he came out with the shack there was the teaching of universalism in that book and when the book came out he denied it people were challenging him on it he was trying to sound like he was still conservative and people were saying no your book teaches us. You have a different view of the trinity of different view of salvation. You have different view of redemption and at the time the shock came out. He was still trying to deny that. Walk this type but you see the progression now in his second book because now he's not now the he's dropped the facade now he's endorsing universalism in all the things that everyone said he was in his first book. We now see. He's he's clearly promoting in the second book and these guys never stop. It's I mean it goes from deny knees areas. I do find that so many in this movement want to embrace homosexuality I don't know what the fascination is there other than the fact that they just love to sound like they're Christian and make it sound like really their tool of of the of demons because they're trying to be wolves in the sheep they WANNA say they're Christian and yet what they WanNa do is get everyone away from the Bible and the Gospel they. It's really kind of like trying to Mir the culture. They want culture to accept them so they have to be like the culture. And you know if you're in the gospels offensive you you can't adjust it to make it sound nicer to people like that's not how they're GONNA COME TO CHRIST. No it's not and but so many people this is what they what they think. And you're right. I mean the the quote that I'm I'm very well known for. Is you quote that. I had said at a conference many years ago but people don't water down the Gospel because they care about people's souls. They do it because they want to be liked exactly and this is the thing they they want people to like them and not to like. Christ so their view is is so different. It's it's wrong. You're right about them. Wanting to fit in with the culture is the culture really accepting of them though. Well if you're version of Christianity if in that version of Christianity you deny the stumbling block of the Cross and your religious becomes love. God Love People obey the law that I mean. That's you just made Christianity like every other religion in the world a works based religion. And so I think yeah it would be accepted by the world. 'cause you removed the offense and you've made it like everyone else's religion and this is what. I think guys like Joel. Stein have tried to do. Tried to make it more acceptable to make it more palatable and they've shown that they can get large crowds with that but I I tend to think that it's palatable but when I look at I'll look for example whether it be by Lago when it comes to people trying to merge evolution and the Bible or if I look at Progressive Christianity where. They're trying to argue. That homosexuality can fit with the Bible. I think there's a culture that is willing to utilize them to attack Christianity. I don't think the culture is actually accepting of them. I think it's just it's palpable. And it serves their purpose. Yeah do you think that they're the ultimate goal for progressive? Christians is to in their mind. Do you think their goal is to eradicate biblical Christianity Or. Is that just the in your interviews? Do you think it's just. They actually have good intentions. They think this is what the Bible actually believes and they just think that if everyone believes like them they would all of Christianity will be better. I mean are they so I guess the question is are they so deceived into believing what they say or do you think that the really for some of them there really is the knowledge that say this when we talk about where to faith there are some that are really deceived into thinking? This is the Gospel that you should be healthy wealthy and prosperous wise all that stuff. But there's those that clearly no they're just ripping people off. Do you think what the Progressive Christians that they know or that. They're deceived That's that's a tough question. I mean the Bible talks about being you know deceiving and being deceived so there could be a combination of both. I really see a lot of progresses really. Have like an animosity toward a bible and just fundamentalism It's it's tough to say I mean I think if you look at Bar Cam Polo for example. I think bar shows the pathway of Progressive Christianity leads to atheism and bar. Maybe was deceived into thinking. That is Version of Christianity was like it was still okay to call himself a Christian but at some point you realize that look I'm denying all these doctrines I've kind of crafted my own. God Why should i? Why should I continue this? Why NOT BE HONEST? And just call myself an atheist or secular humanist and that's really why you in the film is to to call. Progressive Christians to kind of make a choice in the film he says. Why don't you come over and join me? There's all these people trying to reform the church by making it or progressive but really. You're just crafting this God based on your imagination. Who looks just like you? You might as well just. I mean if you don't have this objective definition or standard of what Christianity is. You've just made your own religion. And that's I think that's the way Bart Bart's story is helpful in seeing that and it's it's better to be honest like he. He has been to remain in the Christian world. Calling yourself a Christian writing books as if you're a Christian and deceiving the church from within but it's hard to say like I guess it may depend on the person whether they're they know what they're doing or or if they're being deceived so and I think that's really the key is that good example. They are progressing from typically a conservative Christianity. Chew Atheism now embarked case. I think he was already started down the road of liberalism with his his father. Who's not a solid Christian? Not now for sure Tony Kemp. We've done episodes here on the rap report on red-letter Christianity which is an. He focuses on but even that you can kind of see where we get some stuff where his father would be like. Well we only look at the red somehow. The red letters of the Bible are more important forgetting the fact that God wrote the whole thing. It's All red light so I could see why Bart is further along the path than some of these other guys but you you showed Rob L. who people I. It's so funny that you even put in there. The comment from John Piper saying goodbye. Rebel and people are so upset. How could you write him off? Because I'm Piper so where he was headed and guess guess who is right who has done Piper because now rob l. denies everything you know. It was just hell I now. It's but again. What was the name of his book love and so so it's all about love love winds. Hey Yeah and you know the deception in that book you know when John Piper tweeted that farewell wral A lot of the pushback from the progressives were like well. You didn't read the book you saw the trailer the bill and then they argue that the book never really had a conclusion about how it was just asking question but I mean again. What's the title of the book? Love wins you know with it. Back to the whole love versus justice thing. There's there's your first clue and if you watch. The trailer of his loved ones book trailer. He's essentially denying the doctrine Aquino substitution. And they're in the form of question so he's questioning things but there's like an obvious answer like he is playing like. This view of God is is wrong and unhelpful and I mean he. He gives us conclusion in that trailer. You didn't need to read the book to see that he was departing from a Biblical understanding. The Gospel. Yeah and this. It's you could see this over and over and over again. I refer to this one of them on the streets. Is You know I do the open air and when I am out there. I talk about the false gospel of God's love because that's really what it is it is. It is a false gospel where they overemphasize the love of God to say God will treat me like a spoiled Brat. God will give me everything I want. Because I'm so deserving I'm so wonderful I'm so loving God should do everything for me because God created the entire universe with me and mind. He was on the Cross with me and mind everything he does is for me and then they say but we shouldn't be selfish. You've redefined everything by you. The songs they sing listen to the message they proclaim. It's all about me and that's exactly anathema to the Gospel. That's that's mutually exclusive to the Gospel. The Gospel is dying to self not lifting up of self and this is at its core the problem. I have with Progressive Christianity. Because it sounds good it sounds so caring it sounds it. It's Oh look at this great God that years and yet it's a different God than the god of the Bible but it's deceptively so in such a way that people don't recognize that they've just been given poison it is I was gonna say we could use the example of I give you a drink of water but I added a little cyanide. Would you do it but I guess nowadays you know it's it would be you know if I gave you a little corona virus. Would you take but I mean it doesn't matter how much even if it's just a little if you know it's poison you're not taking it. This is what it is they. Satan is comes an angel light. He's never gonNA come dressed as a in a red suit with horns. And A and a pitchfork. He always comes as an angel. Light looking good message that sound so good and yet it is poison and that's what Progressive Christianity is it's a poison it it progresses you from a biblical message to a message going to condemn someone to hell. That's why it's so important. That's why this film is so important annoying. Just I'll just say again for folks who you know if you haven't gone out yet go to American Gospel Film Dot Com American Gospel Film Dot Com. You can get the first episode the first film Christ alone or the Second one Christ crucified. I strongly strongly strongly recommend that you go there. There's setups where you can do group viewings so he could view it in your church all that set up there. You definitely want to make sure you watch this so but I do think though that court you've interviewed a lot of these guys. Do you find that to be the core issue that they have a message of self and not a message of Christ. Yeah I think that in the foundational error Man Trying to be his own God create his own. God One of the one of the chapters in the second film. Kind of reminding me what you're talking about The the last chapter about the glory of God alone and I would say that this problem is not just than Progressive Christianity. But you find it in more. Were TO FACE CHARISMATIC. Churches more conservative Like there's this idea that God's motivation for saving man was because of how valuable man was that he thought we were worth saving and you just see the opposite in scripture. I if you teach a cross is a revelation of your value like todd white does it becomes all about worshipping yourself. You're you're glorifying man's value rather than God Christ value and what he did for you if you look. I think it's in Deuteronomy. Seven seven God tells Israel the reason he saved Israel was not because there are more valuable or greater in number or that they were worth saving. It was just because he loved them. He loves because he loves them And that makes God. Love looks so much more greater glorious when his motivation for saving is based on him and not us because if it's based on us and our merit or value that destroys grace because now we've earned his love somehow and you know again it's denying Original thin a lot of these guys. Like William Paul Young Todd why they really refuse to acknowledge that man has become worthless like Romans three of you know. No one's good. Not even one all have turned aside together. They've become worthless yes. We were created in the image of God. It's like they're denying that there there was a fall. And you know William Paul Young. We'll say that really. We don't need to be born again in the sense that our core nature needs to be transformed but heave used in more ads like were good on the inside but we have all this external thin covering up so what we really need is an unveiling of who we already are. So he's viewing man's nature as good and it just needs to be unveiled or we just need to realize who we already are and todd. Wade will say that same trays. You just need to know who you are even say that the non-christians you just don't know who you are. You're already astonishing. You just don't know it But no Jesus says that those who are not in Christ are they're not sons of God their sons with the devil and he describes man's nature as being a heart issue the stints flow out of a corrupted heart. Soon as not this external thing to us it's blowing out of our being for some people listening to this. I hope I hope listen. You're going right 'cause it just sounds so foreign and it should because it is. Here's what I WANNA do. 'cause I do WanNa give some time. I want to talk about the the film. You're you're currently working on for the third film. But I want to do that after we play a game and I want to let you know no pressure new the game. The pressure is on me. So let's play a game. It's time now to start the spiritual transition game brand. This is how we play this game. You're GonNa give me something whatever it is and I have to transition whatever you give me to the Gospel and the reason we play this game and we do this on. This show is so people realize that there's so many Christians say oh I just pray God gives me an opportunity to share the gospel and then someone walks up to them and goes. So what do you believe about what happens after we die and they sit there with Lord? Please give me an opportunity to share the gospel so the reality is people sit and they wait for opportunities and I argue. You don't have to wait. You can make up. Every conversation can be Gospel conversation if you practice transitioning from the natural to spiritual and just looked to create those opportunities and there's people who think they can't do that but the more you practice the better you get transition from the natural world to spiritual worlds. Every conversation can be a gospel conversation and so for that reason we play this game. We make it into a game so it's fun and people like to try to stump me but I've been doing it for thirty years so I guess I'm getting better at it so you gotta give me anything anything at all and I got to try to get from whatever you to the Gospel and I do not cut this part I. There's no editing here. So if you stumped me you stumped me so Gimme Gimme something anything. The summer vacation. We'll summer vacations right now at the time of this recording as we're hunkered down in our homes not out of our house they seem like a foreign thing but there are people still hoping and planning. They've they made their plans. And there's this kind of unease with a lot of people right now because they have those plans I have. I had the plan to go to the Grand Canyon and we having booked flights because we don't know it's this unknown. We have hope we have but we really don't know for sure and a lot of people actually walk through major things in life that way. There's some things that people there'll be overconfident. Beer people who will sit there and they go to school and they know exactly what they're gonNA do when they get out of school. They know exactly who they're gonNA marry. Those are things they really don't know but they think they do and they try to make those things happen in but the one thing that people most often treat with this hope. That isn't rational is is what happens a second after we die. Most people don't even think about that. They plan for their their their schooling. They planned for career. They planned for marriage plan for kids. They plan for retirement and they don't plan for what happens a second after they die and after we die. It's too late to to plan. Then we have to plan beforehand and it's really easy to figure out what happens a second after we die every single one of us we are. We Li- we steal. We break God's laws that would make a criminal in his sight and because of that every one of us me included would be guilty by God but God made away escape. God himself came to Earth died in our place. He took the punishment we owe upon himself that we could be set free. We have to turn from trusting ourself as good personal trusting our good works and trust what Jesus Christ did as the payment of sin on the Cross two thousand years ago. Because he's almighty God. He can pain eternal fine because he became a man he could pay the fine of men. That's what makes him unique and he proved that he was God and that he can offer us the forgiveness of sins by not just dying but raising himself from the dead three days later. So that's how I would go from Summer Vacations into the Gospel Nice. So let's talk about the couple minutes we have left. Let's talk about the film. You're working on now. I I've gotten the privilege of seeing a little bit because I was standing kind of behind you or off to the side of you trying to see if I can make Justin Peters. Laugh while you serious questions. It was probably why he didn't look at me at all. But but I I get to see do some of the filming so I got to see some questions. You're you're asking folks and just from the little bit I saw. I'm really getting. I'm excited to see this one. Come out what's the one you're working on now. What's what's the theme of it. Who Have you interviewed? Cata the bag with one hoops. But what what are you seeing different with this wolf well? The theme is going to be about the Holy Spirit kind of comparing and contrasting the Biblical Holy Spirit True Holy Spirit to the Holy Spirit we see in the ER or the new apostolic reformation. So I'm kind of heading back again toward a similar topic of the first film because the word of faith movement and the NRA are kind of like there's some overlap there Some call it a sister movement so the Nar is kind of the belief in the Modern Day Office of Apostle and profit and within that there there are shared beliefs with the word of faith movement. So this isn't really again again. It's not really a matter of the debate over the gift of the spirit and whether they continue or not or if they see These are issues that a lot of them deal directly with the person of Christ and I kind of touched a little bit of that and the first known but There's this there's an over emphasis on miracles. How miracles relate to Christ and UH so for example? You might ask the question. Well what was the purpose of Christ miracle so I'd say the Biblical answer is these are signs pointing to Christ Deity? The prove that he had the thirty forgive sins so that you may believe that he's the son of God so the NRA are the people in that movement would really say the opposite. He wasn't they'd say Christ wasn't trying to prove he was the Messiah through his miracles. You're just trying to prove what you can do about. The power of the spirit wasn't healing. The sick prove that he could heal the sick to prove that you could so it it twist that the become the man centered Theology that take works of Christ and turns them into how we can have power and dominion or the consequences of sin in this life. And you see this in Bethel Church I hop lifestyle Christianity. You know these. These people think They take the passage John. Fourteen about Jesus saying you believed in me and the work that I do. He will do also at greater works than the fuel do because I go to the father. They think that means we can do greater miracles than Jesus I think the biblical answer is and you find what Jesus means by the work in John. I think after six. There's a crowd around you this and they ask you know what? What's what should we do that? We can work the work of God and Jesus says this is the work of God that you believe in him for that so the greater works are about the Gospel. We've done greater works than Christ in the sense that we've taken the Gospel to the nation's work whereas crave only ministered him this local mall region over a short period of time. The disciples took it to the nation. So it's greater in scope not greater and like miraculous power disciples didn't even do greater works or greater miracles than Jesus No one raise a dead man like Lazarus after multiple days It really It comes down again for the WHO is Christ and I touched this in the first of all. It's called kinetic geology. So they view they would say that Jesus did his miracles and lived his sin month life as a man not as God so we asked the question who did Christ Miracles. I would say the Biblical answer is the three persons of the Trinity. The Father Don Hoi Spirit they all work together and within that you could say you know it's Biblical to say that Christ that his miracles by the power of the Holy Spirit the NPR would say that it born again and man by the power of the Holy Spirit. That's who Jesus was. He was just the born again and didn't miracles by the power of the spirit. He didn't have his own divine power because he emptied himself of all entity in the incarnation and only needed miracles by the power of the spirit. So what they're misunderstanding is the trinity. You know it's not wrong to say that the Holy Spirit is acting in Christ miracles cousin you but it. It's wrong to say that God. The son is an acting or using his own divine power so the Holy Spirit is the spirit of Christ in Romans. Eight nine we see that. So if you look at Christ's miracles you know when I think the Leper ask Christ if he was willing to heal arm Christ that I am willing be cleaned when he did his miracles Like walking on water Where who received the worship in response to those miracle well it says the disciples worship than saying truly you are the son of God. If he was just a man with the Holy Spirit like us or the apostles he wouldn't he would have rebuked the disciples in turn. You know the worship away from himself and directed at toward God but no. He received that worship. Because he is God the son and Cryer to the incarnation. And during the incarnation. He always did his work. His miracles from father by the spirit they all. The Trinity Does Their Works Together. So really the the key misunderstanding here in an Er is who is Christ. And how is he doing his work on earth and so then they're they're they're distorted version of this makes them think that they are basically like little gods that can do the same or greater things than Jesus and so the focus all becomes about US trying to do miracles and healing and it gets directed away from US proclaiming the Truth. About Christ you. This is sounding so similar to what we just got talking about with. Progressive Christianity. It's right back to all about me. And a misunderstanding of the attributes of God. And this is why. When I started studying systematic theology I came out of the charismatic movement from my Jewish background. I got into got to college and the only people I knew charismatic and word of faith and I thought they knew better than me so I just was believe what they were saying and I just remember a conversation to people. I wasn't even involved in the conversation but one guy just did not. Everyone believes that tongues are for today and I was like really. I didn't know there were different views on that so I went and read first. Corinthians twelve thirteen fourteen. This is wrong everything. I was taught that these chapters actually condemned not support. And so it was just immediate. I just walked away but I said I never never wanted to be deceived. I was like how. How can I know that I wouldn't be deceived anymore? And I spent the next four years reading everything I can get my hands on on harmony How to interpret the Bible and one of the things that came out of it was when I started. I said okay. I want to start studying theology because I don't want to be fooled there either and one of the things. I ended up realizing as I started studying different theology books in systematic theologies was. I started seeing that. Everything goes back to the attributes of God. So I put the theology on the side forbid and I spent six years reading every book anything I get on attributes of God because I said if I can understand that then when I enter into studying the different theological positions I would sit there and be able to. Just compare it back to this attribute. This attribute this attribute and that has been so invaluable to me. Because you're seeing it with what you're saying this is now your third movie and what the same two issues are coming up self and attributes of God right. I mean it's it's almost like saying well. There's nothing new that you could say your you know it's almost like whatever system that you're presenting. It's the same thing that you you go back to and when you go back to them the this is here. This is going to be there. Every time is a deification of man or the motion of God or emotion of Christ. That's the same thing as in Progressive Christianity. You know were Richard. Rohr's saying that everyone is Christ or is in Christ that a deification of man so yeah for understanding correctly. A man is in a very low place and it goes back to that. I lie at the garden. You will be like well. I'm looking forward to next film coming out and having you back on to talk about that one may maybe we could get you on before it actually releases to pump it up. That would of course mean that I would have to get an advanced copy just saying Hey I'm trying here folks I'm trying. Hey Brennan thanks for coming on. I really really appreciate the work that you have done. On the first two films looking forward to third and I again want to encourage everybody to go out to American Gospel Film Dot Com. And get your copy today of both film one end film to make sure you get both of them. You do not want to miss this. You WanNa make sure that you watch both American Gospel Christ alone. American Gospel Christ crucified. Which the third one is going to be called will end on that dino yet I do but I don't know if I want to say okay. So that is that we folks stay tuned. Make sure you subscribe to the rap report because it sounds like maybe maybe we could try. Get HIM ON BEFORE. And we'll get the title before it actually comes out. We'll we'll try desperately. What will work on work on them but make sure you got to American Gospel Film Dot Com and get the two films that are out today. Hey you're stuck at home. Download them and watch them with your family. It's a great thing to do better than anything else. You're gonNA find like on netflix anyway. So until next time remember to strive to make today an eternal day for the glory of God and you know what Brandon. That's a wrap. This podcast is part of the administration for more content requests Speaker Seminar to your Church Attorney Dot Org.

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Ep. 22 | The Mountain In Our Way

Moving Mountains

15:22 min | 1 year ago

Ep. 22 | The Mountain In Our Way

"I'm Christine Welsh. Welcome to moving mountains. This is a space for those who wanNA climb mountains. And for those who don't it's a place for the dreamers who long to scale and possibilities and it's further discouraged who dread the disasters in their way life elitist the edge of both kinds of mountains and sometimes times are every day yes as to God will lead us to the edge of a steep cliff. And we're GONNA need a little nudge to jump. It's my hope that today you'll feel a little more inspired equipped whipped and challenged to just keep climbing. We will end each episode with a challenge. I'd love to hear your thoughts your dreams and even your disasters and how you're overcoming incoming them one step at a time. Share your thoughts using Hashtag moving mountains and tag we are that family and mercy house global. Find me at we. Are That family family. This is moving mountains episode. Twenty one. I'll never forget. The first time I stood on the edge mountain I was a newlywed and terrel my a young husband and I were hiking even though he grew up near Amarillo Texas which offers a flat terrain and a view for miles. He was comfortable in the mountains because because during his childhood family vacations trips all kinds of rugged terrain eiger up on the other flat side of the state in a suburb of Houston and the only time my family had ever gone camping into up with US loading our tent in the rain. Heading home in the middle of the night to say I wasn't in my element on top of a mountain wasn't understatement. If I had an element it would have been called a safety net. I have always loved my feet on the ground and adored my comfort zone. I really liked what I knew. I wasn't a fan of change and I didn't crave new daring heights. I was an above average control-freak but still the mountains called me. I think it was half wanting to please. My new outdoor loving has been and the urge to explore Arkansas. The state we had just moved to it probably also had something nothing to do with our very limited salary and the fact that exploring the great outdoors was mostly free. We were youth pastors a church near Little Rock and when we needed to get away from the stress of ministry. We headed to the mountains. We had Mondays off. And we'd load up our golden retrievers and hike away our worries they became a place that meant rest and renewal and sometimes escape for the two of us on those early hikes. Often I walked up hill behind my husband stepping where he did until I became surefooted he would give me an encouraging tug or push along the way but I remember the first long hike we took at the edge of my first mountain. I discovered a few things about myself I I was scared of heights. I was at the highest peak had ever been to and I didn't like it one bit. My fear didn't surprise me but it did remind me that I liked control. The edge of the mountain terrified me. I stayed away from it just to to be safe. I had no desire to dangle my feet into the abyss below me. I wasn't a risk taker years later when I became among a mom. My most most often use parenting phrase to my children was be careful. I still cringe at home videos. That recorded how many times I warn my family not not to take risks. The second thing I learned on top of the mountain was that my husband wasn't afraid at all in theory. This wasn't a surprise either because as I love Taros adventurous side and his confidence to take new situations by storm but loving him made me fear losing him so when we climb to the top up and he immediately went into the edge. Hang half his toes over. I flipped out. He called me over and I refused in the areas marked danger. I watched in fear as he leaned over the railing and pushed every possible limit. The more fear I showed the more. He thrilled at the danger Oh I I had married a risk taker his thrill seeking and my comfort zone with clash and a million little ways as we learn to live together in the early years. We approve what they say about opposites attracting. I think it's safe to say that. My Voice of reason tempered some of his adventures and his risky behavior. Push Me Adami Comfort Zone and we found a place to meet in the middle but even after twenty five years of marriage he still goes to the edge of every cliff. We climb while I beg him not ought to some things. Never Change if you read my book raising World Changers in a changing world. You know my middle age has been shattered. His ankle on a skateboard point made in the first decade of marriage we climbed several mountains. We traded the ozarks of Arkansas for the Hames mountains of New Mexico to become youth and children's pastors stirs again we strapped our babies and backpacks and climbed and climbed we worked out of a lot of challenges and struggles on those long hikes as a family. We also face mountains like financial stress and problems in our marriage. The church in Albuquerque. That we called home for five years. Couldn't afford to pay US both so for the first few years we agreed to clean the church every week extra money. We endured the mountain of infertility for five years of marriage as we dreamed of growing growing our family. After ten years of marriage we left fulltime ministry because we were burned out and our marriage nearly fell apart as I mentioned last week challenging Vallon Jing seasons in our lives teach us to overcome obstacles and faced the giants on life's path they also teach us endurance and courage bridge in life's journey. I've learned the mountains. We climb because they challenge and inspire us and we long to see what's on the other side then and there are mountains that show up in our past. We desperately want to move. We need grit in Jesus for both facing impossibilities is a part of life life. Whether it's something we dream of doing or something we would never choose to climb when we face a mountain. We are at a crossroads. We can either avoid it or climate. I love how author and artist Vera. Nasreen gives us more options. If you are faced with the mountain you have several options you can climb it and across to the other side you can go around it you can dig under it. You can fly over it you can blow it up. You can ignore it and pretend it's not there you can turn turn around and go back the way you came or you can stay on the mountain and make it your home. No matter what we choose we all face mountains in our lives and I believe God wants Susta. Climb them by is full of twists and turns setbacks and successes every one of them will lead us back to Jesus if we let them whether we are on the mountain top or in a low valley God uses what we endure to draw closer to him. Paul Washer. WHO's the founder of heart? Cry Missionary Society puts. What's it like this? There are so many mountains in your life so many obstacles in your lives so many things in your life that seek to derail you to stop you and they're going to stay there because some of those things. Just don't go away by counseling. They go away by falling on your face before God until he delivers you you for simplicity. I put the mountains. We face into two categories dreams and disasters. Dreams are the mountains. We don't have to climb belong to for some often crazy. Reason and disasters are the mountains that we would never choose to climb. Let's talk about dreams. Why there it's an audacious dreamed in global poverty or simply open a bakery in your town because you make the best chocolate chip cookies and the world needs to taste them? Dreams are well well dreams. They might not always make sense to everyone else but you imagine them coming true. I love this anonymous quotas. Has every great dream began ends with a dreamer. Always remember you have within you. The strength the patience and the passion to reach for the stars to change the world years ago when I was dreaming Terrel and I would go on coffee. Dates and Dream Storm. I define the term in my book. grindstone Jesus so. It's sort of like brainstorming. My husband said excited when we talked about dream storming except instead of writing down ideas were riding heading down our dreams the wilder bigger and crazier the better. We didn't hold back some of the things on our list included working together again someday. Starting writing a business so we can focus more on ministry and traveling internationally as a family dream. Storming is a great exercise for your brain. Normally our brains automatically zero in on all the impossibilities. We face if we step out in faith and obedience with dream storming impossible is replaced with a possible. It's amazing using for my husband and I now to look back at that list from decades ago and see a few of the things have come to pass. Let's face it. God likes to show off. Your sweet spot isn't some elusive mystery. That God dangles over your head just beyond your grasp it's the collision of believing in who you are and acting on it because of whom you belong to. I believe our sweet spot is also the place where our passion in our skills collide with. God's odds timing when we had been married sixteen years with three kids in the middle class income we stood on the edge of the precipice of our lives and we didn't didn't just peer over the edge we jumped. We didn't just dream of the impossible. We ask God for it in two thousand ten on my first trip to Kenya now a decade locate ago I was exposed to global poverty. The Third World's version of normal. I discovered that the Third World Normal was vastly different from my own my tripled typical day included cooking and cleaning for my family running errands. Carline drop offs and pick ups and maybe some net flicks seeing the world's normal for the first time helped me to understand that most of what I enjoyed and took for granted wasn't typical for an mother. Living in a slum trying to figure out how to feed her family one meal a day. This experience profoundly wrecked me. I returned home and my new global perspective changed my everyday normal. I was tired of adjusting in our lifestyle upward with every raise an extra dollar that came our way while it gave us more stuff. It only made us feel emptier. We decided we didn't want to change our lifestyle any longer. Instead we wanted to change our lives I couldn't shake the dream of doing something to empower oppressed and marginalized women even in Kenya. We started Mercy House Global Organization with a mission to engage power and disciple women around the globe. Jesus's name talk about a mountain Elton. We didn't start mercy housecall because we were brave or because we knew how to change the world honestly. We weren't that audacious. We were compelled to change the way way we live so that others could simply live. We were motivated to empower young leaders in Kenya. We stood at the edge of that mountain trembling and we jumped because we believe God could do the impossible over the last decade. We have watched God part the Ritzy feed the five thousand rain Ayn Manna from heaven is shut the lion's mouth and cast mountain after a mountain into the Sea Mercy House global has rescued more than fifty pregnant teen girls and we welcome their miracle babies in the multiple maternity centers near Nairobi. That our nonprofit funds we've been powered their families with dignified jobs in an effort it to break the generational poverty that imprisoned so many mercy house global works with over a hundred artisan groups in more than thirty countries to replicate eight this goal by selling millions of dollars and fairtrade product. All to empower women in Jesus's name dreams are hard. This one has broken me in ways. I cannot explain it has changed my family. It gave my kids and Mercy House childhood. Instead of one built on the American dream it's given Venice global perspective but it's also required enormous sacrifices. It's made me desperate for Jesus in some ways. It's cost our family family but it's turned me into a hard worker. Retired four-star General Colin. Powell says a dream doesn't come become reality through magic. It takes aches sweat determination and hard work and I totally agree with him most days. I'm still that scared girl at the edge of the cliff scrambling for control all feeling overwhelmed and inadequate in every way our family offered what we had our small lunch of fishes and loaves. It certainly wasn't enough to meet the I need but Jesus took it and made it perfect in our weakness so no we haven't move mountains by ourselves. We have stood on holy ground and watch God cast them into the sea. We have been I witnesses to them. Regulus we scrounged every bit of faith we can muster and unleashed it in the face of the impossible. Because as a w Buteau Zor said we believe. That's the kind of people God's looking for he says God is looking for those with whom he can do the impossible. What a pity that we plan only the things that we can do by ourselves? You may be thinking as you're listening to this. There's no way I could ever climb a mountain that high high know exactly what you mean because I felt all the same way and we can't only God can that first step are small. Yes Lord can lead us to places we never thought possible breath even in my wildest dreams of helping pregnant teens in Kenya. I didn't dream of more than fifty. I didn't imagine we would provide jobs for their families or that fairtrade the product would be how he did it. That's what's so incredible about dreaming with God. We have a small idea of what we can do but we have no idea what he can do with with our willingness. Let's call out the elephant. You were made to move mountains. We all were not just a select. Few One of the things I've hated about. This journey is the assumption that people who go after their mountains or accomplish what the world would consider. Big Dreams are special unique gifted or rare. Now they're not. We were all created designed and purpose to move mountains. It's in our DNA. It's our destiny. What Mountain is God asking you to move today? Think about this year ahead. A fresh brand new decade. What can you say yesterday is name what not discount? You were declining.

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#173 Q&A: Lordship Salvation, Evidence of Salvation, and Dating

Theocast - Reformed Theology

47:47 min | 2 years ago

#173 Q&A: Lordship Salvation, Evidence of Salvation, and Dating

"Hey this is Ryan and in this episode of the podcast boys are answering your questions. Thank you so much for your questions. We start with Lordship. What is the lordship debate. <hes> what our views on the the lordship debate. I know we've given a lot of this bowie cover that once again second question is what are the evidences of salvation for somebody you know. Can we actually look at somebody and go you haven't done enough in order to confirm your salvation and then the third one is an interesting one that comes from an engaged couple that has some different theological views and we discuss what we should go on there in order to you know find some unity and some conformity there and then that leads off into dating and in the unfiltered John and Jeremy and I I mostly John and I very interesting conversation or dating. We've added a lot in the office. Now we finally have it publicly on the PODCAST. Hope you enjoy this loud. 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Some people like to donate others want to be a part of the membership either way. It helps support us in like today. We like to answer your questions so if you WANNA call in to leave us a thirty second question you can do so at six one five the two one two nine two one two still had to look at the phone number yeah. We've been doing this for three and a half years. I'm just saying if I had missed anything though supposed that's how you we looked down. I'm like that. I dialed that phone number on accident before just something like six and five to wait others. That will only say that one. I don't ever call that one. You know I thought what about these you ever watch T._v.. Shows now and the and they they find someone else's phone because they're in like <hes> why I like watching crime whatever and they start dialing a phone number. I know two phone numbers. I guess technically three on my wife's. No Mine and I know this Church's phone number but I don't know anybody else's phone numbers but it was funny as <hes> my my wife and I have started to watch the show suits and I know it's been a while. We'd just start from the beginning. We'll first season of suits is I don't know mid two thousand and talking about speed dial. They're like Oh yeah. He's He's number twenty three on my speed dial Mike who has speed dog. It's favorites now. I know I'm like favorites while and I guess if you have a a non touchscreen phone which I don't even know if any non touch I'm sure there are non touchscreen phones but I'm sure on blackberrys you still have to have speed dial or you get to have speed dial but anyways always around the ideological octagon today to my left Associate Pastor of Community Church Nashville Jeremy Litz senior pastor newly should Rodman on senior pastor of Community Church Nashville Ryan Haskins and myself pastor of a church in Gasman springhill now John John Moffatt so gentlemen actually today's Ryan Haskins call you for the year to got your Cultural Day. You guys watching suits. Were all judging you now for the life of I know I say that because I want some. Some people will be like Oh my goodness. He's watching secular show. Yes I'd watch those shows and I don't you know I can. I can watch that show and appreciate most of it things on their mind. I couldn't get the AM over. It's it's good. You know what I'm gonNA write. This is your day that I'm GonNa give about me. Though UH watching lately supercross I haven't watched supercross in twenty years and I'm taking my kids to go to the one here in Nashville and does it may no. It's <hes> next month. Okay and my kids are back into their bike. Got My kids under biking so now I've been I've been yeah and we <hes> we've been watching the X.. Games the Monster Energy ex game jumps and I may be making some trips to the hospital with one of my kids part about growing up anyways your closure of it great. No two books that I would recommend reading that I've been going through one is tell the truth. The Gospel is tragedy comedy and fair telecom now say that because I've preached the sermon or US all the information in it so I was gonNA say. I wonder where that book broke. Yeah Yeah I we started our exodus series this this week I totally recommend goal immunity and <hes> yeah just this book was impactful. It also made me WanNa read King Lear because he used. It's easy great writer. You're in in this book and then the other one is you are what you love. I don't recommend everything in the book he it the kind of the longer he goes on in the book the more detailed it gets. I'm not exactly with all of his <hes> stuff but it's a book about discipleship and he offers a an interesting perspective of essentially we when we think of discipleship we think of imparting knowledge to an individual in that equates discipleship and he goes. We're actually not <hes> thinking things things. We are loving things we are. We are designed to love and what we love we pursue and so we really kind of turns discipleship on his head and goes. Let's not be so concerned with only only imparting knowledge first and foremost in order to change bullets impart love for something <hes> is fascinating book again the the the longer he gets into it the more detailed it gets on how that actually works out in the church. I don't exactly <hes> totally but I'm not aligned with but it's a good book nonetheless you are. You Love Awesome Yeah. We need to do a book recommendation. Maybe in the next Baucus I've got about five. I've been reading and from all different kinds of subjects. What are we talking about the debt so we're GONNA be answering your questions today and the really great <hes> mostly all of the we didn't plan it this way we just took the most three recent of voicemails that have come in and they're all kind of connected so <hes> so we're going to start with this first one here from Isaac. Hey this is Isaac Colin from grand rapids. Thanks so much for what you guys do. Do you absolutely can use this podcast. I'm I'm just really wondering where you guys stand on the Lordship Salvation to be you guys. Have I made a couple of references to it. In a couple <hes> yeah it just made a couple of references to in the past couple of those especially in the one on James and I've just been a little confused on on where you guys got banned yeah awesome well. Thanks for calling in and thanks for keeping it exactly thirty seconds where we really appreciate that yeah. That was impressive so man. This is <hes> someone asks us this morning on the facebook group about Lordship and I know we just answered this couple of weeks ago in the unfiltered specifically it was <hes>. Do we believe that worship is another gospel. We answered that question. WE'RE NOT GONNA go into that. I kind of put my foot. I think we do that a lot but it's part of grace right we preach grace and we would like to receive that as well <hes> man. Lordship so I would say just to start it off <hes> what our thoughts are on I would say all of us are very familiar around this table. We Aren't speaking at something that were unaware of sometimes we do have to grab a topic that we aren't as aware of because we just didn't grow up at we didn't spend time studying and that that is not the case in Lordship <hes> I have spent many many many years one I went to seminary that promotes it kind of known for it and I've read probably almost every book there is is on it and so this is when we get ready to talk about this. You need to understand that this is not us being unaware not spent time on the material <hes> so I'll to start all started there but we should probably set up what the fine Lordship yeah that that's where I was going to. That's what I was going to go because there are a lot of people who have never heard of the key players players that were involved in this debate and so this debate took place nineteen eighties and it was really between a Professor at Dallas theological seminary sorry in a professor at the master's Seminary Talbot Seminary by the time I don't know when forget when team started but it was Dr John Macarthur and the idea that was coming out of Dallas was I cannot cannot a you know a thought ahead. I forgot that the other guy's name that he was debating so just have to say this. Somebody's GonNa know it. <hes> the idea was once saved always saved and that if you confess Christ you could do whatever you want kind of Anti Noman Style <hes> idea of if I say the magic words judge that I'm in that's how it was being portrayed <hes> Dr John MacArthur went. No that's not the Gospel. The Gospel is not once saved always saved in the sense is that you can do whatever you want and that there's no laws in that attention. Oh meaning that you can run headlong into foolishness for the rest of your life and you know at the end of the day Gaza and say what you said the magic trek words so therefore you're in you're in heaven and so the response was Lordship than what Lordship was is in order is that as a Christian. You'RE GONNA make Christ Lord of your life and to makers and to make Christ Lord of your life then you have to prove that he is lord of your life by demonstrating certain changes in your life which seems reasonable reasonable and and it's it's true in the sense that you know when God regenerates your heart and the spirit is in dwelt in you. He is going to sanctify by you. That's inevitable he's going to do that. That's what <hes> Ezekiel thirty six says. I would say that's what John Fifteen says with with divine on the branches. It's all over scripture that those who call the justify justify sanctify sanctify glorifies is Paul says in Romans so this idea that yes if you are a believer you are going to be sanctified by because his spirit is going to move will lordship salvation coming alongside saying that you have to make Christ lord of Your Life <hes> unfortunately in in <hes> difficult byproducts started to put parameters around what that actually means right and so the the debate and started raging that in order for you to be saved. Did you have to prove it by making Christ Lord of Your Life and that is where we went from one bad idea the pendulum swung over into another bad idea idea because the idea of making Christ lord of Your Life. He is Lord he don't have to make him Lord and if I say you have to make Christ lord of Your Life what I'm what essentially is happening happening is there is a caveat to justification that in order for you to be assured of your justification you have to prove it with your sanctification then holds off assurance until it's a until you earn it and it it creates confusion between justification and sanctification it confusion that we have seen in other places like in <hes> you know medieval theology in the Roman Catholic Church of making that confusion and so it's it's a natural byproduct to I've. GotTa prove it that that's something that we we we naturally want to do. I have to prove something by acting upon it and so there's this confusion than between justification sanctification. I could only be assured of my my justification when I prove it with. My sanctification is insane. The confusion does lingers because no one has that measuring stick to say okay. Okay you have now arrived and you can be fully assured in that camp you if you or you fully make Jesus Lord Right Right. There's there is no everyone it is going to have a different standard that they see as this person now meets that criteria is continues. Is that confusion over. No one ever finds that rest yeah. I think that this goes back to podcast that. We've done in the past which guys we might want to do. An update on this is confusion over to the difference between reformed calvinistic so for those who are in a calvinistic predestination world they often Confuse Law Gospel passages at my Mans Bible study. We were just going through this <hes> knowing God using importance book on Pilgrim theology and there's a there's a section in there in Law Gospel and it just refreshed my memory that at the moment you look at for instance when Jesus walked with a rich young ruler walks up to Jason said what must I do to inherit eternal life right so when someone walks up to Jeremy <music> a church on Sunday and says Jeremy. How do I go to Heaven Halloween Hair. Turn a life in Germany tells them well you need to obey the Law Did Jeremy Give Him Gospel. You know the answer to that is no but when Jesus says it in our minds will that has to be Gospel because the question was asked and the answer was given by Jesus innocent red letters therefore it's hard to believe what Jesus is trying to say. It's hard to enter into an order. So what is he telling of already done that well. That's ridiculous. If any man came to Jesus a set of already done and so what does Jesus do he says okay. Maybe you don't understand the heart of the law so he goes after the man's wealth. What you don't understand what we don't understand culturally. He wasn't going after the man's wealthy wealthiest going after the man's righteousness he saying you have to forsake all of your righteousness that you've earned because in that time righteousness equalled wealth God God blesses those who were obedient <hes> and so this is why the disciples go if he can't be saved who can be saved and of course what is Jesus say with man. It's impossible with God. Everything's possible what we do. Is We then make see an order for you to follow Jesus. You have to forsake everything you have to sell everything and totally dedicate yourself to Jesus. How is it you can come into that conclusion by reading things like John Six John Aid in John Nine John Ten where Jesus constantly MS pointing to people that it's impossible to follow him unless the spirit does a work within them MHM so Lordship in my understanding is a confusion of sovereignty to confusion of depravity and what ends up happening. Is You make repentance a requirement. That's before regeneration ration- you're. You're basically telling somebody they need to get their life cleaned up before now to be clear. I'm going to everybody that is pounding on the dashboard board and throwing their phone across the wall. I'm just GonNa stop right there and just say listen. I will tell you that one of the most inconsistent and confusing teachings is this this teaching because you have men at one side teach you on Lordship and they basically see what they <hes> people who profess Christ and live like the devil and they're trying to fix that problem so they're putting obedience in here but at the at the other end of the spectrum guys like MacArthur guys like Piper and guys like John Paul Washer will say the most precious Russia's amazing things about assurance that it's all the work of God and that all of sanctification is a work of God so my question is wh- It you know what point are we taking making them. It is a confusion I do think. This is where you where you see. Lordship rain primarily is in those areas that are non-confessional MHM because it allows them to be what we call publicist where they can look at a particular passion to go <hes> this versus it here therefore has to be right but they don't allow it that that verse verse to be interpreted in the analogy of faith or the redemptive historic understanding of scripture where Hey yes this. I seems like it says that but what if we take that as as the whole if we look at all of scripture it therefore it can't because it would contradict other scriptures and so there there is this idea. I think that the reason that ship has has been able to rain. Is that what it tackles is a good thing how can I how can when I get people to change and act better for the sake of the Lord. It's it it it. Is You know when I say it that way you go well. Let your sounds like moralism but it's coming from a good heart. It's absolutely don't want people to continuing sin and so we want to tell them that. In order to be a believer you need to honor Christ with your with your life which is true but when you then start comparing comparing that and looking at that and saying okay the only way that I can be assured that I am a Christian is one. I start measuring up appropriately then you head off into the the bounds of legalism one of the other thing that's missing in this context the idea of Law Gospel as you talked about because if you do look at particular points of scripture you you do realize how the Lord at times uses the Law to drive people to grace yeah so when somebody is going I can't do it. The idea India's not give them more law. The idea is I know that's why Christ came. That's why he did it perfectly. That's why you can't do it so <hes> this this is a it's a reasonable explanation and I think that's what people have to realize. It's a reasonable explanation. I can look at that and go off. I know why but just because it's reasonable and in our human estimation doesn't mean that it's the right because the gospel is crazy. The even the book that I said at the beginning telling the Truth Gospel is tragedy comedy and Fairytale. The Fairy Tale Aspect of the Gospel is you don't have to do it because as Christ did it all and even if you run off acting like a fool at times that doesn't mean that he's going to drop you on the curb and you don't have sanctify or you don't have insurance. The fairy tale aspect is the moment that you're justified you have insurance and that you can rest in Christ not neat not trying to keep up some some <hes> idea of sanctification certification or prove it but the reason that we call it fairytales because when we look at that in our in our wiring creatures and even in our wiring thing being sinful fallen creatures that does not make sense yeah yeah. I would say I'M GONNA. I'm GonNa read. I'm GONNA mention something. I think it's elitist into our next question unless us you had something real. Quick is just going to say something we repeat often on. Theo cast is living status forward and as as Ryan mentioned at the beginning <hes> you don't make Christ Lord he is Lord and is in Paul's argument Colossians. He says we've been transferred into the kingdom them of his Co.. Of God's beloved son so he is Lord being our residents of his kingdom as he continues to build his his argument about the greatness greatness of Christ then is in chapter two he turns therefore as you received Christ Jesus the Lord so walk in him rooted and built up in him and established established in the faith just as you taught so it's it's that constant struggle with putting the cart before the horse like we must live status Atas forward by faith in Jesus Christ and that doesn't mean we like Oh great now we can live however we want doesn't matter at all no since we're now residents of the Kingdom of Jesus Christ our Lord. Let's walk in him. Yeah I would say <hes>. I preached a sermon on Sunday. It's <hes> number five of my purpose of the church and in that I covered the passage for Peter it says be holy as I am holy and which is you know we hear this and even in that he's talking about efficacy saying look you need to change your conduct on act like you were and then he says behold as I in there. There's a there's a struggle within us and I would say in my sermon encourage you to listen to it but in my sermon when I'm trying to help you understand that Peter Peter is making such a huge like the law is placed so high there. You're supposed to see the holiness of God and say the only way that I can ever identify identify myself as holy is if through through <hes> position forward right so if you look at every time a creature your came in to the presence of God's holiness it was terrifying for them absolutely Isaiah. I am a man of Unclean Lips amongst the people of Unclean Lips Peter in the presence of God's power when Jesus puts all the fish into the net he falls on the ground says please depart from me. I'm a sinful man. That's The holiness of God so you mean mean to tell me you're gonNA look at your life and say Yup yeah. I've done a pretty good job at making Jesus Award in my holiness is acceptable and Peter Says Oh known the Ho- your holiness needs to be you like God's holiness yeah it does make human work subjective and God's glory subjective because we assume that we can make those to meet and that that there is some point that we're good to go no. It's that's the I think that's the hard thing that's the offensive part because after you live your life for so many years of Christian life for so many years and you you apply the <hes> well-meaning principles reachable prairie day you know you'll grow grow grow johndroe grow grow grow and everything everything that goes with at all of the Christian traditions and then you look at somebody late in life and you go <hes> you know you're still you're still not wholly wrong in that way in you're still not good before the Lord in that way. You still need Christ. You're no better today than you were. The day that that you received your sanctification your your justification vacation in the eyes of God because you are complete then there that's that's an offensive reality and so when you walk around and you're telling this is why <hes> singing were against Lordship has caused some people to throw some stones at us and there is that thing inside of all of us and I would say the person she's listening who possibly is a Lordship believer <hes> or Lordship follower in an eye and identifies in the historic sense an historic and identifies with that with that theology. If you're mad at me right now I get it. I get it because I was. Hey everybody around this room. We all believe in the Lordship of Jesus Christ less are said that we we submit to the Lord Jesus Christ but we do not vote submit to the current teachings the modern teachings came about and I will say this one of the key passages in this is examining yourself right. See it says right there examine yourself to see if you're of the faith well again contexts important and all scripture is important and specifically in in that particular passage to now faith exam yourself is faith of the faith right and what he's not work no and the thing is what's what's difficult about that particular passages ages at their questioning. Paul's Gospel and he's saying listen if you're questioning my Gospel Than Unity Examine Your Gospel because on one who gave you your Gospel and you may not be of the. Faith in if you're saying my gospel is not legitimate because there are wanting to go back into the law yeah and he's saying no and not only that all of these warning passages are people who want to deny Christ and go back back to the law and Peter's sorry the rhetoric Hebrews which we talked about in Hebrews podcast. You can't do that and that's why that's what they'll shrunk. Warning passages are has nothing nothing to do with while you guys aren't showing evidence all right. Can I all of just real quick before we move onto the next one the book that started it all for me and my reform journey was Chrysler Horton by Michael Horton and even if you don't struggle with Lordship I would I would highly recommend you go read that because it's actually a really really great book at looking at a doctrine that created some that was that was well meaning in it's time but went too far in for me any it demonstrated how <hes> having a consistency in theological understanding is important <hes> because saying one thing can contradict another and that's why we need a confession so Christ the Lord by Michael Orton happy reading dumps good and then if you just go to our website and type in Lordship which in Australia's will put all the other podcasts we've done on Lordship which a lot and then if you're total access member you can listen to what we did a lot in the beginning some of that from personal history and what was going on in our own life church <hes> but but I'm realizing with so many new listeners they haven't heard those old ones so I this is Chad calling from Fenway Ohio. <hes> just had a question <hes>. We were debating in my small group. <hes> debate was <hes> your your life has to show some kind of evidence that that you are saved and I didn't really buy into that. <hes> <hes> you know a leased. Elvis is GRANDPA was translated said you know if you look at the Field Gospel songs is it. He's had tears running down his face and you could tell it was some true conviction air so and we argued. I said I think that he is saved because the state by home time well great question kind of leads into the question we just had before about lordship evidence and <hes> so guys was Elvis Presley. Christian is the question now. We're not going to answer that on the definitive answer on that is we will find out one day. Christians non-christians can can both both make great music so I don't have to tournament of his salvation standpoint in cried all singing amazing grace and yeah. What's what's it? What's interesting about that question and I I really appreciate the heart of it and I think it's a great question. It is <hes> the so our are tears a sign of of faith and a lot of emotions and a lot of churches at our right not not even Christian right and unfortunately thanks the sorry go away on. This guy was interesting that the the author of Hebrews references e saw saying though he repented with tears yeah it fell short and I'm not making a judgement one way or the other of us very well. May maybe be in heaven but again. It's it's judging an outward evidence again with quest. The question is about outward evidence and do you have to have it so here's here's a scenario. I've never put on this podcast. Before I grew up in a very strict fundamentalist baptist background independent fundamental world where it was King James Only know rock music. It can know movies over P._G.. Never went to the movie theater until I was very old and you could say for the most part I had evidence of salvation because of what I was not doing so if you were to say you know I was at church every week. I memorized the book of Philippians I did this. I did that but that's just this means. I lived in a home that was very strict and that I lived in a culture that was constructive and I really you know for the most part I kind of just went along with it. It wasn't isn't I found it easier to go along with it then to not go along with it but there you cannot say my moral actions or my dedication to virtue can absolutely. Leah quit my salvation as evidence of fruit. I agree yeah so this is a complicated question now. If I got to a moment and I turned eighteen and all of a sudden I absolutely denied everything that I had been taught about the Gospel and I had no there were I would. I did not think there was a problem within a picket. Whatever send you one of the things that is and I've begin to deny the Gospel and I'm like no. I don't think I need to trust in Jesus Christ as my savior well by public profession and by my actions actions I am openly denying the very severe that I was before professing to save me so the evidence was very clear. I think the very we we have to be careful when we're talking about fruit in evidence and particularly at the end of people's lives things happen to people before they die weird things. Some people become super religious and sometimes people lose their minds. They cannot think cognitively Kalisa what they are saying doesn't necessarily match up what was going on for the entirety of their life right <hes> so I think you just have to be careful on these the particular circumstances and if someone is outright denying the Gospel then that's one thing but if they are trapped in Santa's you can absolutely be trapped in San otherwise the warnings would not be there from relations and multiple <hes>. I John that you could be trapped inside so I think we have to be careful. When we're examining people's faith. I believe believer struggle. I believe they get entrapped by send. There's all these warnings. We just did one on the enemy. It should be out by now. <hes> the enemy within that can come in and trip us up so you know. I think what you're what I observed in. Both of your answers and what I appreciate is you are going away from action and going to faith. What do you believe in the question. It's an IT's. It's understandable why we jumped to action. Because how do you prove you believe something you act but it's not how much change is necessary to prove the action but it really is. Do you believe it. Do you believe do you believe that and that's that's the question that has to be asked that belief as we you know as I said with the Lordship that belief will it'll produce change because the holy spirit will not return void in that way he will bring about <hes> you know there will be an effect to that 'cause <hes> when he enters enters your life and he will cut away the dead branches in order to produce more fruit in your life you know again John Fifteen but <hes> it it really comes down to what the what do you believe and that's where I would say if somebody if it again if somebody is saying I believe this but they're not acting the way they haven't responded action. Wise is the way that we expect them to. You haven't cried enough. You haven't repented enough. You haven't changed enough. You haven't whatever I still say now. You're asking the wrong question. Try because 'cause I can't this something that <hes> we had a elder deacons meeting at Church and we're talking about what is service at the church. Look like and one of the guys goes well. What what exactly are you looking for like. What are the what are the <hes>. You know be didn't use these words but it's when can. I know that I've served enough to make everyone happy. It isn't that I just I know that you know. That was the question behind the question. I went well how you serve now. The next guy serves is going to be totally different and I can't tell you you you now served enough. I can't say in order to be a good deacon. You have to do blank. I can't say it because number one. Every every person is created different in every person has different strengths and weaknesses and every person is going to be able to change faster or maybe has to be slow. Every person's going to be different. It's actually a heart thing so I what what I told him was. I can't judge your service as a Deacon based upon did you have you changed enough. <hes> you know now the water faucets around the church. Have you gone to enough workdays have you whatever because your life is different you you bay have different strengths weaknesses. What I can do is which your heart do. Are you you wanting to serve the church equal sacrifice an art yeah and are you sacrificing in that way into that ago. There's no judgment very similar with sanctification vacation in this way. I can't judge them. I can't say well in order for you to be a good question. In my mind you gotta go from this to that. That's bondage so let me ask you this. <hes> sorry Jerry. May I ask is this can can you grow up in a context where your theology and your obedience in Christ can be stunted. Yes yeah because what does. Paul say you are Babes in Christ. Yeah and you should be eating this and so you if you know not to defend ah dear friend WHO LOVES TO SING BUT MR ELVIS Presley may have been in a context where he never was given the true pure milk of the word to to bring him to a stronger stronger faith in action and repentance but if he was professing Christ. There's a sodomy says if he wasn't denying Christ you know that that's where things get a little complicated but this question again ties so much with our last question and a lot of the folks who demand evidence <hes>. I think are doing it out of that. Fear of young people just making an empty confession and this is I.. I love what you just said John. About Elvis and maybe he just wasn't in your context where he he has that opportunity to grow in his faith but this is we harp on this all the time because the Bible all does but this is why it's so important to be part of the church. Try so a believer I I would say the fruit and evidence of of a believer is that confession of faith in Jesus Christ and when they began a pattern of sin in their life well when they're in the church we get to gather around them woman say John. What you're doing is is stupid at sin need a turn from that. There might be some some process in in that crime but if their reaction is no. I want to continue doing that. I deny the Gospel I I'm just GONNA go on my merry way and enjoy what I want to enjoy well. That's one thing the goal even if you think of church discipline the very end to bring them back into fellowship. The goal is to get them to say yeah. I know I am weak. I don't want to do this thing I do. Confess that that I lean fully on Jesus Christ in him alone helped me Karen. Yo Str- help strengthen me through this you know. Oh that so even in the face of sin where we say at that's not you that's evidence of sending your life still which we all know we all have that the response and return is yeah. I believe how my own belief yes help. Strengthen me so when we think about <hes> evidence. Here's our problem we think about personal responsibilities and personal actions as a relates to okay. If I've been changed I should read prey discipline an act all of these certain ways the super helpful quote by Edmund Clowney in his book. He said <hes> book on the Church he says the quest for Gospel Holiness cannot mean acquiring confident confident expertise and practices of the virtues. What is interesting is? That's what we do. Virtuous Acts Equate. I am now saved. When interesting is that Jesus says says they will know that you are my disciples by what love for one love for one another i John says the same thing if you say you love Christ and have known for one another so it is it it is the affectionate towards the body so if you're if you were if you are unwilling to participate in the church and you are unwilling say no? I don't need the church in your denial of the Church and even I can say now. I don't think the church is necessary one. You're probably confused but if you were adamant about rejecting God's institution for you then there comes was a moment like okay you might be showing the evidence is that you don't understand the Gospel Right. You're claiming to follow Christ but you're not following the means of Christ which is the preaching of his word in a baptism autism sacrament so that's where I go okay. I think you're confused. You know I don't I don't really think you understand the Gospel here and so I found that quote so so helpful because we do always say if you profess Christ you must increase in virtue and Paul says his greatest desires for them to increase in faith in Christ and from our position has always said fruit fruit then will come but we always emphasize the fruit which that's dangerous to do so all right we have one last question we may have to answer part of it now and then the rest of it <hes> in the unfiltered unfiltered so hey guys <hes> my name is Sam. I'm calling from culture new employees. I am a newly reformed. <hes> my fiance however is saying you know almost <hes> pentecostal semi charismatic there we go and it's just the gulf between how our <hes> personal theology plays out our day to day life and even in our interactions is growing wider and wider. How how do I help explain? The difference is in a way that doesn't seem confrontational that and also I want to enjoy the peace insurance that I've come to get from the the reformed understanding anyway. I was just wondering guys say people call in. You ruined me all the time so thanks we we we apologize Samuel but thanks for calling in even the voicemail so first thing that comes to mind with with that style question <hes> I'm GonNa speak to the man is engaged so there's just briefly low moment of marriage counseling or premarital counseling the presence of love disagreement in those relationships okay. You may sense it now in theology but you're GONNA have to learn to live with your future wife with disagreement so there's that it's not if the idea is I can only marry her or him. When we agree on everything together we'll that's impossible because you know the three of us around around this table would admit there are there are things that are our wives in US disagree on we just you know we we learned we learned and live with Grayson that way now to the theology <hes> theology matters and it it creates it can create some some differences? This is and how you parent were where you go to church is water money. How you spend your money <hes> what what you're okay with? As far as you know free the reason lives there is there's freedom in Christ and some people can handle a lot of freedoms. Some people can handle no freedom and some people are in the middle. Some people are black and white some people are great people in that's when it comes to law and freedom in that way and so it is important to discuss these issues but but I would not say that it's important for you Samuel to pin her to the ground and get her to see everything your way and I would say not important for her opinion to the ground and get you to see everything her way because I don't think that that's you know really demonstrating Christian love in that manner <hes> <hes> you know I I yeah those kind of thoughts. I'll come back with more but yeah so this is complicated. I've had to deal with this quite a bit over the last ten years as I worked with college students <hes> Guy Girl Fall in love love each other <hes> probably didn't spend enough time together asking important questions and then all of a sudden <hes> those new sermon. They're doing their reading the Bible together or whatever and typically it was one was galvanised wasn't or one was pentecostal. When wasn't I mean there's pentecostals can be super passionate and then Calvin is of course we know it'd be very passionate nowhere now and what I would have them do is sit down and write down their differences like like legitimate in in their brain? This is what's happening and ask themselves if the neither of them ever change what are what are the ramifications of that <hes> well it depending on the differences. It's going to be very hard art for them to find a church they agree on so someone's going to have to give into the other one and the question I would then say is. Do you think you could live peaceably you in harmony with each other with these differences. That is the question 'cause when it says unequally yoked I think it is referring to a theological issue mostly. It's unbeliever and believer faith-based is what you believe it can there can be different things at Alvin and pentecostals believe in that can be issues and and there's a sodomy to that's like a lowest common sense out the window will love love conquers all it does but there you if you've been around Christianity at all different different denominations and different beliefs live life differently. I live life very different today than I did. Twenty years ago well and love love conquers all yes okay so let's take that that <hes> family new new couple. Let's give him ten years and they've got a couple kids. Starting starting to parent that kid telling about the Gos- dad wants them to be influenced by one thing mom wants them to be influenced by another. You are now in a pickle because you you you then have to come to this this disagreement so what I would not what I would say the same mulas not dealing with it on both their parts. <hes> you know Kinda just bearing it down deepen. Can you know luscious get married and hopefully marriage fixes everything it will it walls <hes> so it it is complicated and again. We don't know you don't no no her. We don't know how much of a theological gap is there so I cannot speak to that. <hes> your situation but I can say in general that the transition transition to a historic reformed understanding of scripture is very slow and it's you have to be very patient patient. <hes> I have <hes> I will make myself vulnerable here on this podcast but when I was in seminary I was informed by my wife that she really struggles goals for me to talk to her about the Bible just because of how fast and how hard I was basically saying everything you believe is wrong. Everything you do is wrong and every time you read the Bible is wrong. I mean everything was running round round round round and so she got to the point where like you're not allowed to talk to him about it because I'm tired of you MAFA everything wrong right so I'm in seminary studying to be a pastor. I have have a wife who does not allowed. I can't talk about the Bible as you did yesterday. We're coming at the everything you believe is wrong. I'm like okay. You say that I hi am struggling with you. Put it together but it was okay. I know use this yeah. It's okay no it's all good <hes> but I would say to encourage you. That grace must lead yeah constantly the you did not come to these conclusions because you're smarter. You're better. You're more educated or any of that. It's by God's grace you are where you are. You need to rely on God's grace and realize that on some places you gotta hold your nose but you may have to come to a conclusion where look I can have a friend WHO's an Armenian. Ah pentecostal a Presbyterian. That kind of stuff doesn't really matter because ultimately I can show grace and kindness and you don't even have to be a Christian in order to be my friend yeah but we're going partner up in life as it relates to things that are related to how I eat drink sleep and care for my children then my relationship with you gets little bit it more right you want me to go spend time with you and you're going to influence them. No I'm not a little less interested in well. I think that what's the here's also the underlying thing that I'm yeah that was stood stood out about this comment. They're engaged got home Mary. I know and I just got to say if this is a married couple. You Know Okay because we've interact with that a lot and I think you know there's even it's there. There've been a lot of times in a couple of times in our marriage and maiming is marriage. When especially as I'm transitioning we're aiming wasn't where it was at theologically good and bad? I mean where I was off. She was off what and so we had. We would have lively discussions because if you know my wife she's she's. She's a fighter in that way why lower <hes> well what was never on the table was break up the relationship. We have to get through this like really it was no <hes> come hell or high water. Were married and we're going to work through this even at times. You're it's like if maybe I corinthians. What is it five or or six like? I'm GonNa love she obviously unbelieving but I'M GONNA love my spouse that believes differently than me and hopefully my love will demonstrate to them that <hes> <hes> you know this is this is right or wrong or love. Love can rain because in the marriage it's like I'm going to love them. Regardless of black White Grey Areas Freedom Areas <hes> you know theology areas. That's my wife. I'M GONNA love is engaged version not to say that Lavan tied the knot tied the knot and I and I think especially in Christian Cultures Christian culture close you get to marriage. I know it's can be embarrassing. It can can be really hard to second guess yourself and be that person that called it off <hes> but and this isn't this isn't the same the same out of this is more general now but just is like there you have to this moment. Bring people around you that go. That's going to create a lot of problems for the next fifty fifty years maybe portions of the <unk> that's not. That's not the wisest decision yeah mine. I know there's a lot of stuff. There's that there's a ton of like like dating issues in there like. I don't think that there's only one person for you like I don't. I don't that that's just not my personal belief where it's like well. She's the one I have to do it and go no. I think they're can be multiple just all right. I've got something for the N._F._l.. Alert no good <hes> that the role of the church and dating and marriage wjr yes the role of the church so it'll be interesting. Yes it will because Oh don't even don't even just just go. I'm just going to say that John and hi at times have had lively discussion is over this time you know one. An iron comes up next to an iron what happens sparks fly you are interpreting on golf iron and then I'll know aren't my wife was a seamstress from like iron iron smoke all right well. Thank you for participating in this and if you have any follow up questions feel free to shoot them on the facebook group or send us an email at Theo cast dot org you can do that. There's a there's a form there and and if you have a question please call in leave us a question and for those of you that are part of the toll access you can come over the unfiltered and continue to listen to the discussion. We'll see you over there. Thank you for listening to Theo cast. If you'd like to contact us or find out additional information about our membership you can do so at Theo cast dot

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End of Year Update

Andrew Rappaport's Rapp Report

44:44 min | 1 year ago

End of Year Update

"Welcome rap report with Andrew Report we provide biblical interpretations and applications. This is a ministry of striving for eternity in Christian podcast community for more content. Won't the speaker for your church. Go to striving for eternity dot org. Well welcome to the RAP report. I am your host Andrew Rappaport and this is the end of the year most podcast we'll do a rewind. They give you some older episode episode. They'll play something or just do nothing at all. But we're not GONNA do that here. We actually missed the one hundred episode by the way goof on mm my part but it was something that most feel make a big milestone about and we just went on as usual. But I do want to do a Ritz on different for the end of year. This is kind towards the end of the year. This is an episode before Christmas. And we he wanted to just give a little bit of kind of a feedback on on the ministry. And what's going on. This will be a shorter episode just to give you guys kind of an end a year. Update on striving for eternity the Christian podcast community. What we are looking forward to next year and With that I WANNA give Some reviews that we got on line on the we see in our Different different I tunes. Or whatever we're we're you can leave Reviews for us we do try to read them and I I do try to put them out here for you to hear. So we got a five star review. This was actually from my apologetic live. PODCAST that says love this so much. Thank you guys. Hope you guys will be around for a long time love how you are striving for eternity and and if you haven't listened to the episode that we put out on what does it mean to be striving for turn ity. There's so many people who just don't understand that they have a misnomer of the meaning of why recall our show what we do. And that is Something that is unfortunate but the idea that we have behind the name is the fact that we're talking about the fact that we are. We're striving we are. You're looking to To be doing things that would be In Our sanctification that we would be looking to do that which is going to last for eternity having a mindset that is focused on the eternal it is so easy to focus focus on here now the temporal and so if you want to go back and listen to episode one hundred and one that is were we dealt with it what does it mean to strive. Fraternities may be beneficial to Moving on we The apologize live. You can listen to. It is another podcast we do if you want to join an ask questions. It's a two hour show. You can go to apologize. Live Dot Com and join us on Thursday nights. Eight o'clock eastern and we try to answer whatever questions come in another feedback that we got from trump fan one so I should. I should mention the other was from F. E. Fourteen This is via apple. PODCASTS and trump fan one says Great great content. Really enjoy everything. That's being put out from the podcasters and this was on the Christian podcast comedic feet which is actually a feet if you want to listen to all of the podcast that host with striving for attorneys Christian podcast community. Just go to the Christian podcast community feed and you'll get that so one it's give you guys some update We're has striving for turning been which is more than just my travel but We have done twenty four trip so far this year as the years coming to a close. I don't think we have any more planned. I've actually I have one one more trip planned for the end of the year but we have twenty four so we'll make it twenty five trips total for this year and that is a hundred and twenty six days travel and to put this in a perspective just this year striving for eternity has traveled over sixty five thousand miles that Soviet going. Wow I don't put that many miles on my car year. That's how far we've travelled. We've been in in sixty six cities and four countries this year alone To give you some perspective since we started with the the keeping track of this which is about ten years ago that we started Being able to track some of this total over all the lifetime time that we've been tracking it we've been total of one hundred and fifty one trips so we did twenty four just this year We've travelled almost a thousand days. He's since I guess it's two thousand eleven is when we started so since two thousand nine we've done a thousand days of travel and one hundred twenty six. He was was just this year. We've done almost four hundred thousand miles and sixty five thousand of its just this year. We've been in in one hundred and sixty two cities and fourteen countries total. And so you you look at the numbers and it's showing you that we've been increasing we've been Having more than just one speaker where able to get into more churches we've been doing a lot more Trips and ah you know. This is really because of the impact that those of you who invite us to your churches and Christian schools Christian camp Campgrounds things like that when you invite us out. That's that's what's adding to this. And because of the factory several speakers it allows us to speak on different topics and have different people available at the same time we did have this year. We're both PESTER Franken I were in New Jersey Wall Dr Vesta was in Pennsylvania We're able to do more things on at the same time now because of that. And so that's that's some of the things that's going on with the ministry and a lot of that is really from your support for those of you who do support us. I WanNa thank you. It is something that would what I do want to do. You know. There's some podcasts. That they think all their their supporters every podcast. We don't but I'm thinking we may do an end of the year. You're one I wanna I wanNA give a shout. I'm only going to give first names because well they're gonNA know what their last name is but I just don't want to announce names teams if people don't want their name known as as they're giving but I wanted to go through and I think those who are giving and not all I'm not going to evolvement just going to give those who are giving on a on a monthly basis and that's really what helps us the most but we have grady and Vincent Will Melissa Uh James Jimmy Kevin Joel Todd Adrian Johnny Daniel David Carroll Terry John Jason Vince Jake. Allen Daniel who are Hey Daniel Andrew Jacob. Okay okay. This next one is in Chinese so I can't read that one. I'd have to get my wife to read that Camille In another another page to it Stephen Joseph Andrei Stan Cameron Jeffrey Guy. Caleb Anthony Frank Andrew missing a couple okay. These were just okay so this is just that was extra just half the year so But one give show to you guys in. We appreciate that because when when I talk about the travel when I talk about what we do a lot of that is is done because folks like you who donate monthly and allow us to do that. So we've been we've been real busy as a ministry. We've been trying to do a lot of teaching and one of the things I'm going to do next week. is going to be a really neat episodes. It's to get your feedback. I've been collecting MM feedback from folks. And if you want when you listen. Please send in feedback right away. I'm going to be leaving a Christmas Day and doing my last trip of the year and so I'm going to have to record everything before. Then so if you want to give feedback for that last episode of the year you gotTa send it in like soon as you hear this if it's if it's the day drops but Basically we're going to do a feedback episode so we can share how you guys have been impacted by the ministry a lot of what is this is. It's it's me behind the microphone behind a camera and I don't really get to hear so much what you guys are doing how this this is. Impacting you guys. And that is a huge thing to me more than anything and this is probably true for most podcasters. You know we do this. Free you the audience. Now there are some podcast. Maybe do because I like to hear themselves speak but the we're doing this and we don't don't really know the impact it has and unless you get in touch with us. We don't know how this is helping you. I can't see right now ause I look. I'm looking at a computer monitor with a wave file going. It really is not that interesting. But we've been able to Be blessed when we hear from you so next week is going to be a episode. We're going to pray again. It'll be a shorter one for the end of the year. But it will be just feedback that we've gotten from you guys. Yes I do want to let you know. We're giving away like over a thousand dollars worth of materials theology and evangelism materials. If you want to get in on that just go go to The Christian podcast community Dot Org Christian podcast community Dot Org. And if you go oh there you will get the from there you'll you'll the homepage. You will get a pop up and it'll tell you how to enter the giveaway that we have it doesn't pop up. That means you've been to the site before but you can always go to bitcoin dot com. That's B. I.. T. L. Y.. Dot Com slash rush. CPC CONTEST CBC for Christian PODCAST COMMITTEE SO BITTERLY DOT COM SLASH CPT contest easiest way to get into the contest so We're going to be giving away a lot of resources in that. We have a lot of folks that have already entered. And there's there's originally a couple thousand entries so we're going to be running this until the end of February. So WanNa give shout out we also prescribe truth is also so doing a a A giveaway and so maybe what we'll do is on the Christian. PODCAST ME DOT org. I'll have that in the news news. I think that the other check right now because I should have checked beforehand. We are very well organized here in the news. If you go to Christian PODCAST DOT Org. Yes the theology. GIVEAWAY is there in the In the news section. Maybe I'll try to get the one. Four prescribed truth in there but prescribe truth is another one of our podcast on Chris. podcast me either having to give away as well but there's is ending sooner so there's only about I think a week or two left so you want to get into that sooner So we have that going on as I for the end of the year. One of the things we do is like to let folks know the impact especially those who've donated have made and next episode is going to get into a lot more of that but I wanNA share just one one thing that we had and that was an. I've shared this before on the podcast but I did a podcast where I just didn't have time to record. Lord I was on someone else's podcast shared my testimony and as I said in the beginning of this episode I do not want to be just re redoing old material. I try not to do that. I don't think in one hundred and two episodes now one hundred three. I have not re done old episodes yet. So we've been going for two years now without any repeats. And I'd like to that way so I've on enough other podcasts. I I usually when I have stuff up. Put what I've done on someone else's podcast in here when when I'm traveling and things like that and that was done. I was on a podcasts. I guess for someone to share how I got saved. I did that and I said this before on the podcast. I kind of thought as just filler. I saw it as I need. Need to put something there and someone contacted me and said that his They were listening to it at Church on the way to church and basically what happened was that they their son who The his mother and sister sister had been killed by in a mass shooting and he really had a hard time with that. Well this this son who who's was dealing with this really pulled away from speaking about God but after listening to my testimony and hearing about how my mother had passed away and how that how how angry had gone on and how it affected me. It really ended up affecting this young boy and it was a teenager and he ended up Wanting to go and I like how the father had that sent the feedback. It said to me. They're they're calvinistic church because they're not a he he we're we're not a you know. Come down the aisle type of church but after the service the son wanted to go and talk to the pastor and father got to share the Gospel with them. And I shared that in. Bo- if you WANNA go listen That is the episode on the report of. How did Andrew get saved and and so it's episode ninety eight if you WANNA listen If you want a another account of that by the way there was an earlier episode assode that I did and if you just search for reboots I'm sure it will come up but the episode that I did where I was on the reboots roots. website podcast and basically what happened. There was a shared how I had not more than just how I got saved I dealt with my salvation testimony but I also had dealt with some other things how I got into ministry and some Some some things happen in my life with my my father and I and not Over my conversion so if you if you go in and search for that one you you can get that was It was called a personal look into the testimony of Andrew Rappaport and that was episode episode Ninety four so sorry sixty eight episodes sixty eight I don't know where ninety four so But you know I I mentioned about the fact that this young man had been impacted by the podcast and and this is where I say. We often don't know how we impact you guys unless you get in touch with us. Well what really kind of blew me away is that someone had emailed after listening to me share about this episode and how this this episode impacted this young man and someone had contacted me afterwards and was able to very much identify to my. You might testimony. How how Lord brought me to Christ and he had emailed because he had heard that he went and he heard me share about this young man who wanted to go forward a church and talk to the pastor and his a father is able to share the gospel with them? These saw that on social media whether it's twitter or facebook where I had done a video about that so we went and got the found. The episode listened to the episode identified a lot with me in the episode food and then repented of sin and became a Christian and that is just A. This is the thing that blows me away to think about. I know that you're yeah my friends over at Voice of reason radio I bust on them relentlessly. But it's a great podcast. If you don't listen to voice a reason there is a great podcast encourage you listen to them. But they're always like joking around saying why would anyone listen to us and things like that and you know we often podcasters think about that. We don't we just don't know the impact and to think that there's somebody who is now turned from being an enemy of God to a child of God who is has eternal life and we'll be sitting with Christ in heaven because of a podcast cast because me talking into a microphone. It's an amazing thing to think about it. It it talks about the times we live in We live in times. That could be used for great good but unfortunately are being used for great evil and I think in those who are regular listeners. Here you know. I think that the the use for evil is going to ramp up. I think that we're GONNA see that. It's going to be used against Christians around the world. I do think that we're seeing being I just read this week that someone who stolen LGBT flag and then burned it that guy got sixteen years in prison which is just crazy to think about. Because if you were to do that with an American flag they would argue. It's constitutional and you should be allowed to do that and there shouldn't be any you know so the stealing though would be an issue right. We wouldn't recommend stealing but even if you give sixteen years for stealing that's a lot that doesn't seem I mean guys who kill people. Don't even get that much but the the thing that you end up seeing is the world is turning very much against Christianity and they're using the LGBT movement to to do it and I think that It's it's a scary time where we live in a time where you can have a completely biased. Partisan impeachment teach me of a president in the United States. And it's it's just scary. I think I would argue that. The United States is now officially become a second world country We have to start realizing that if we don't turn it around. How do we turned around? Why said that on the previous episodes with the Gospel? It's really we can sit and complain complain about all this for folks. It's the Gospel. The Gospel is the solution. It's not about politicians and I think that the all that we see is going to be used against Christians. I think we're GONNA see a turning against Christianity and a persecuting of Christians. I would argue. It's maybe throwing US closer to end times clearly I'm not Post millennial where I think things are GONNA get better. I pre millennial so I'm GONNA I'm GonNa think things are are gonNA get worse And so but I do think that the prosecution is coming and many Christians aren't prepared for it and that's one of the things we want to do here. It is to prepare you guys for what we what we see not to be Doomsday Profit not to be sitting here and just being it down all the time but it is something we need to prepare. How do we prepare? What a great way to prepare is to memorize scripture because win the scriptures are taken away from Christians or Christians? They're put in jail and they're not giving a Bible. The scriptures are what's going to keep our strong and the more you can memorize it the more you're going to have it with you wherever you go people can take your house your money your cars even your family. But they can't take what's inside your brain what's in your mind and so the more you put scripture in your mind that is what you will carry with you everywhere you go and that's a great thing to be doing. Memorize scripture learn. Learn good theology. Get a grounding. Get a foundation so that you can interpret scripture properly. You can understand scripture properly so that you you can interact with scripture properly because that's going to give you a good foundation and that is going to help you to see when things are right or wrong. Let's see logically now any of us do we are. Is Our theology perfect. No I am wrong theologically. I just don't know where if if I knew where I would change it but I don't know where and therefore when I sit at the feet of Christ and he corrects me. I'll be happy. I'll be glad because his all know officially that I have Right Theology then in the glorified state because there's GonNa come right from our Lord and Savior of master. Jesus Christ and so. I look forward to being corrected. Did by him and I hope it's not too much that they get corrected but but there will be. I just know it. And that's why we shouldn't be proud. And Get prideful about our. Theology is is if we have all the answers and we know everything because we don't we don't and so that's something we have to be realistic about so with Fatto a WanNa say what are we. What are we looking forward to coming? Up in striving for turning one We have Israel trip. Encourage you to join us. This is actually twenty twenty one on so it's not even next year year after gives you plenty of time to save going. Israel is a once in a lifetime trip for many. It's something that you really if you can go I encourage urge you to do it. you can put five hundred dollars down now and you have 'til thanksgiving next thanksgiving. It's like a year way to to be able to decide if you really go or not and I think all but one hundred twenty five dollars is is Refundable so You know it's something where if you WANNA go. Oh you really should go the key to going to Israel as you want to get good guides. We did some research and we researched to get someone that is really good and so we have a really good guide. There makes all the difference. You will get devotional done by Justin. Peters Anthony's veteran myself We're we're going. It'd be going and really looking to see the land of the Bible and there's some insights there when you're there that really help you understand the scriptures. I when I do my Bible interpretation seminars and encourage guys invite us out to do one of those in your church is it really helps people to to understand how to interpret. The Bible has really helped a lot of people and a lot of churches to grow in their knowledge of scripture and their interpretation of it. But when I do my Bible interpretation made made easy seminars I give an illustration of the Galley. And this is something that you really can't understand unless you're there if you've been at the Sea of Galilee you can see that there it's valley there's mountain ranges all around it so if you're in the middle of the Galley you can't see a storm until until comes over that that mountain range and so as fishermen in that see those fishermen you know John You well you have a Peter. Andrew James and John were all partners together inefficient business on that see. They would have been used to being at sea in a storm because they wouldn't be able to. They didn't have weather channel and they wouldn't be held to see the store the the clouds until they come over the mountain range. Well that means that they would have been desensitized to storms at sea because they were many so when there was that storm that got them scared and afraid for their life. It tells you this was not a normal storm. It was a big storm and just looking at the the area getting that geography can help to to see that in much much Richard detail. And so we're GONNA go to a lot of different places because we go for two weeks it becomes something where we get to see a lot more than most feel field trips. They go for seven ten days. We're going to be doing thirteen days. And we may then go either Greece or Turkey or somewhere afterwards but we have a really good trip plan so go to twenty twenty one Israel trip dot com. That's twenty twenty one Israel trip dot com. And and if you if you wanna go that's something where it really is something that you want to enjoy you. It's you don't it's I understand that not. Everyone gets to do that often. And it's a very expensive thing. I understand but if you want I mean if you WanNa get some more details about that You know I did have in episode that I went into on this. If you go back and previous rap reports and I'll I'll try to link. I guess I should try to link all these things In in this episode in the show notes I've tried to link the previous episodes. I mentioned I may forget some but I had on Eric Eric Johnson and Eric was He is with Mormon research ministries. But he's helping us with the planning of this trip and basically he's he's he's been there several times because of that He is going to be helping us with that a trip now the episode that we had him on episode ninety two and it was called almost arrested at the LDS temple and so you could go search for that that one but we did speak a detail about the Israel trip. If you WANNA check that out now what else is going on. We actually have. I mentioned some of the trips that we've done but looking forward to next year I have eight trips already planned for next next year So that that's a growing list and we have some We have some things going on. We're going to be at G.. Three see that's going to be in January and we will be having a booth Justin Peters and striving for turn is going to be getting a boost together. We'll actually booths But we're going to do it as one and We're GONNA be together there and so you if you're down g three come check us out. We're going to be promoting being the Christian podcast community amongst other things and We really hope that your come and check out everything that we have to offer as a ministry not you so we have that actually before G. Three we'll be in Carlisle. Pennsylvania Justin Peters is going to be doing a pastor's luncheon in and I'll be out there as well. So we have That's put on by iron sharpens iron radio. If you don't listen to Chris Arnson. He does a great great interview he just he just texted me yesterday and said he got his first interview with Paul. Washer and Chris is a big fella. He's got this kind of gruff voice and I guess that intimidated Washer said Paul Washer was actually scared of them and they did the interview. Paul was really a nice guy like he. It was a breakfast. You just was so intimidated at first. And then he said you're a great interviewer and he is. Chris is a really good interview or he makes his his guests feel feel very comfortable. I've been interviewed by him. I four five six times and it really really is good. I actually Did do an episode. Where Yeah I interviewed Chris Orangutan and It was It was an interesting one. It was where I I was supposed host to be on his show where he interviewed me. But I wanted to do something different. And I wanted to get his audience to hear of him so I actually actually interviewed him. For episodes. Seventy seven of the rap report and it was. It's called interview with Chris Born and so I interviewed him there and that was that was really enjoyable. It was one where I got to You know his his testimony is one. You want to listen to. I'll just put it that way You Really WanNA listen to his testimony so it was something something where when we think about You know just to impact that we have. Chris is a guy I who who I wouldn't have known if it wasn't for for the podcasting that we do so it's really a neat thing will be in Atlanta down in February Twentieth to twenty fourth for meeting down there I will be Both out Shepherd's conference Late February early early March Probably get the other some ministries down there. We usually do try to get some speaking events while we're there so you're down in the La area want us to to speak. You can reach out to us. We still have some openings available and we'll both be there It I have planned Albeit Glendale Arizona Arizona. Both doctors veteran I. He will be teaching at the creation apologists. Teachers Course Twenty twenty and that's a five day course that's led led by Mike Riddell from Christian Training Institute Great Great Instructor. Great Guy if you want to get good a politics training especially concretion. That's something I encourage free to check out our also. Both doctors veteran. I'll be in July We're going to be at the Ambassador Academy meet done by living waters and so we will be there if you want to join us. That's something that will be We'll be able to We actually do have some speaking openings for that as well. Both in San Diego. Because I think he's going down to San Diego. I may be speaking down San Diego's well Tuesday night before the living waters event. So we we have some things coming forward. We're going to try to who really reach out and have better communications newsletter if you not signed up to a newsletter striving for Dot Org get our newsletter and that way we can try and stay in touch more with everything that's going on. We're GONNA try. I'm not good with newsletters. We're going to try to get a little bit better with letting everybody know everything. That's what's going on with the ministry where we're going to be when we're going to be there and things like that it is something where it's I'm uh-huh I'm realizing that it really is important for us to let you guys know what's happening and the details of of the ministry I know that I'm not always the best with it but It is something that I need to get better at so Wanted to make this a quick episode like I said Said I just I wanted to touch base with you and just share a little bit about what's going on with the ministry. I didn't want to do nothing Oh yeah you know. Didn't even dawn on me. And how can I miss this one. But one of the biggest things that we had Last year was was the Philippines trip. That was a big trip. Justin Peterson I spent two weeks down. The Philippines really had a big impact and the Whoa Justin I got together and discussed that trip in in detail because there is a lot we? We got a lot of criticism from that trip. Nets episode eighty. Sorry sorry episode. Seventy and it's called answering the critics from the Philippines and we had a lot of critics there Some people really didn't like what we he had to say. And because of that they They just didn't They weren't happy. I'll put it that way We you name names we we name some Filipinos that You are teaching false teaching. And they're very very popular down there and a lot of people did not like that and so that was something that had a big impact this past year. In fact We're I'm still getting emails every once in a while from people in not as much as when we first got back but I just got an email last month from some folks that were just wanted to let me know The impact that it made. There's one person it took them about nine months six months. They said to leave the a church that they were in their one of the churches that we talked about. We had in this sermon conference that we did and they they had been They they just wanted to encourage us to let us know that they've left and our Your now looking for church so I recommended a couple of churches that I knew you. It's really neat. I have a guy in my church for folks who don't know I'm part of a church plant. We're starting a brand new church. I will be having having at some point soon. My pastor the preaching pastor of the church who does all the preaching. He's have him on. This podcast will share a great detail about the church. And what we're doing there but We have one of the guys from the church is from the Philippines and he went back. He's there there now and it was really neat. I just encourage them to hate. You know knew that. His the pastor friend that he was going to be going to that Church that pastor attended the conference. I just sent a message and said hey just greet the church in the Philippines there and he had told me that he already spoke to a bunch of people all from the church who already came up and we had talked about that conference in the fact that he goes to church with me and gave kind of NEAT NEAT for him. He's a a new believer and so just to to realize how the impact that this ministry has around the world. I it's it's very humbling. I I gotTa tell you. It really is humbling. To think about I sit behind a microphone. Don't really get to see the impact and I get emails and letters from around the world and that. That's very humbling. And and it's all done by your support. I mean it's those of you who are supporting this ministry that allow us to do this and we greatly appreciate it it really. I can't explain how much we we appreciate. All those of you do who who sacrificed to donate to us so that we can go out and do these things we are not one of these ministries. He's that look for the big churches we actually target the smaller churches We're we're constantly looking for that church. Under hundred people. It'll because most of the Christian ministries will blow them off. Most of them won't won't want to Look at those type of churches. Because they won't have if they won't bring in the money they won't have the impact To make a bigger platform and I think that's wrong for us as Christians to be me thinking that way to be looking at things and saying well we're going to do it based on On how much money we can we can Make that's just not the right way to do it. I don't believe so because of that. I argue that we need to be doing is we need to be reaching out to those of you can help us to support us on a monthly basis and that allows us to reach out to these types of churches We're we're making. We're making a drive. We WanNA see a hundred new donors at twenty five dollars a month. Some of you know that are our largest donor donated a third of our budget every year for several years now and he's retired. He sold his business he is. He stopped his funding as of this month. And so we'RE GOING TO BE MINUS THIRTY PERCENT OF OUR BUDGET. And so we need your help will you. You would be willing to give up that starbucks coffee. Maybe that's about twenty five dollars a week but no would you be willing to donate twenty five five dollars a month just twenty five dollars a month to help us be able to get into smaller churches. You see the impact. This ministry is making around the world. You could be part of that you you can help us. If you just give twenty five dollars a month you can go to striving for attorney dot org slash donate and there's different ways to donate their whether it be through through Petri on or pay pal or whatever And that was the thing. I didn't even list off the pay the Patriot on Donors that that we had in this list that I read earlier. I'm I'm now noticing that this was just the the that was this is is just the people who were from that started in two thousand nineteen so I didn't. I didn't notice that I don't have a full list of all our donor. So if your name aim wasn't mentioned I'm sorry so and if if you weren't on Patriots this includes that but But we do. We are very appreciative of every person who donates and it really does go a long way for for folks to realize many ministries a lot. A lot of their donation goes toward salary. That's not the case with us. I run the numbers again this year but I think last year's numbers seventy four I think seventy six percent of all the donations went toward ministry. Very little of it went toward operating expense. It's and salary so we really try to focus on getting that used for ministry purposes. So we're very we try to be very good with your your money and we actually want to get that over eighty percent. That's the goal. It's going to be harder now that we've lost Some support but maybe you can help us out with that and so we really reach out to you and ask him will you. Will you help the minister. Would you give him monthly donation twenty dollars a month. That's that would be a great help. Some view can afford to do more. We greatly appreciate that. Some of you can't we. I appreciate those that give a dollar people give dollar months and we appreciate that because that that maybe all they can give but we do have different different things that we give gifts to those who give and We would greatly appreciate appreciate that. Go to striving for eternity dot org slash donate and. I'm going to wrap it up with that just because I don't like really Talking talking about myself I'm trying to talk about the ministry and don't like asking for money which I've been doing so I just wanted to give an update. Let are you guys in on what's been going on we're looking to do. We've got a lot planned. 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Episode 274  Justin Peters talks Biblical Worship with Lifesong Radio

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Episode 274 Justin Peters talks Biblical Worship with Lifesong Radio

"You're now tuned in to life song. Radio a weekly podcast dedicated to accurately studying the word of God in a comprehensive and biblical manner. Listen in as host Jimmy Hicks Phil Ramsey Blake Shaneco and Mike Wells dig into the word line by line verse by verse leaving no stone unturned. Grab Your Bible and your notebook and get prepared to study the living breathing. Active word of God. Now here's your host of life Song Radio but I wanNA welcome to live song. Radio come to Ramsay. I'm Mike well and I'm Blake Shankar. We are excited to bring you a special episode of Life Song Radio where we're going to take a break from our study and honestly I think we need a break. After truth we just came out of the theological mountain we climbed in Romans. And I and I think we need to take a little bit of a break and take a breath And today we're We've got a special guest on us and the topic of today's show is worship. League is this is Really a topic that. I know all of us agree on that. We we desperately need to define Davis desperately need to To get in line with what biblical worship is because honestly it's something that When you look at what we see and as biblical worship not just in our area but but all across America what we what we see. I passed off as worship is not true that will go worship and so we got a special guest joining us today. It's Those will be watching this and joining us by video. You've already seen It's a world renowned teacher and author and conference speaker. Justin Peters Justin brother. Thank you so much for joining us this wink. Well it's really good you with your brothers. Presidium imitation very very much. It's an honor to be here though. Like I said you're a you're conference speaker teacher and author but also man I I know Because you know watching your videos and watching your teaching opera for as long as we have. It's so clearly evident from your teaching that You have a deep love for God and a deep lumper his word and I know. That's what fuels you're teaching and so fan just for our listeners. And for the sake of our audience. Can you take just a minute to introduce yourself? Sherve absolutely James Justin Peters and I am originally from Vicksburg Mississippi born in Rear University and then went to Spain area. Fort Worth taxes in almost ten years ago married. A wonderful lady Cathy and she is originally from billings. Montana I'm from Mississippi's Montana. We actually met in California but We we live up in Bozeman Montana now just about two hours. West a billings kind of in the mountains as a column beautifully already. I did live. We live in northern Idaho up until about nine or ten months moved to Bozeman Montana just to be closer to some family so says that's where we reside I have. I do have a ministry fulltime evangelism of people. Think I'm a pastor? Not a have a pastor but I'm not esther I have kind of an accurate preaching teaching ministry at traveled across the United States and internationally quite a bit as well preaching and teaching us word and what I'm most known for is my engagement of the word of faith movement. The health and Wealth Name Claimant Prosperity Gospel the doctrine that says it's always God's will be wealthy always gets will be physically healed and I- exposed this movement for the farce. That it is that this is not what the Gospel is about. So it's not my only interest first. Commitment is to expository preaching in shoes other topics in a deal with Israel. It's kind of known for this cloud soon. Har- that's that's me in a nutshell. I suppose so our goal in in speaking with you today as I mentioned before is to is to discuss biblical worship you know in this country The numbers that are found. There's there's there's roughly four hundred thousand churches in existence in America right now. I would feel safe in saying that. I believe are don't believe that the majority of these churches are biblical in their worship. When I say that I mean a God centered. God focused fashion of worship. And I guess. Let me clarify that. Because I don't mean that I think everybody who attends these? Churches aren't honestly worshiping. The best way they know how. But what I do believe is I believe the majority of the people just don't know any better and have never been taught the true biblical fashion of worship is so these people congregate together and their worship is Manson entered. Its man focused. Because that's all they know they've never been taught they just don't know any better. Let me just give me a clear example. And this happened. Just in the last couple of weeks locally It's a local pastor more more regional than really local here but posted a video. I guess everybody. Who's church being the way it is right now in our country you get the one good thing about it? If there is a good thing that's come out of it. Is You get to see how other churches worship and how other churches because everything is online now and so You get the benefit of seeing that and so having seen this video. This is what this guy said before the worship started. I'm just GonNa read the quote to you. He said here in just a few minutes. We're going to absolutely go for it in faith and yes. I want you to worship because you love God and you want more of an for yourself but also wants you to worship like somebody else's life depended on it because that just might be the case so who is it that you're worshiping for today. Who is it that you're believing we'll have an encounter with God today because your faith field worship right now and so that right there man is just a clear example of what I'm talking about. Man Centered and man focused which leads to the first question saying all that to ask this question. What is biblical worship? It's not that I mean my goodness Nadan God by what he said so he doesn't have the first idea about what worship is or biblical worst when when the Bible talks about worship we are do. We are ascribing in recognizing inherent intrinsic worth and value and when we worship God. We are recognizing that we are. We're a scribe ing net. We are bidding are need to that we are. We are telling God we know who he is. We know what he's done. We know that he is worthy of our adoration. He is worthy of our praise is worthy of our obedience is worthy of US giving our lives holy to him it because he inherently worthy of all of these things we acknowledging that we are ascribing. We are publicly staying. This that God is inherently buys character by nature worthy of our honor of our obedience of a life lived out in a self sacrifice to his glory. That is that is what worship is absolutely not on any level what that guy said that. It is In worship is something as so the vast majority of professing believers has have such a shallow understanding of what worship is they? They think that worship is singing. A song worship is you know singing some little contemporary Christian diddy. I could sing of your love forever over and over and over again and you you throw your head back and closure is a sway and you know in more emotionally engaged. It is the more it engages your emotional. That's that's really worth with with hardly any concern at all for the content for the object of our worship. Galway himself worship is not just singing a song that is part of it provided that that is just one expression of our worship. Thinking is a part of that. It's a small part that but if even at the singing is not if it is not centered around Doctorate Lee Sound lyrics rich theology. It's not really worth I mean. There's tons of things at gager emotions in make the hair on your arms stand up in but that doesn't mean it's worship me. If you WANNA do that you can go go to some secular concert. Get the same experience. It's not worth in. Music is just one part of it. work that does not about us. It's not about our preferences. It's not about what what we like. Or what we think engage most is a bad guy. Odd It is about lifting up it is about ascribing in recognizing his inherent value and one of the one of my pet peeves is that we hear this firm in In Navarre Evangelical Churches. You know we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA start with worship and they were going to the preachy. Yeah no the mizzou account what people call worst. The music is just the vehicle that gets you to the pinnacle of the worship. Which is preaching. The preaching is the worship. When God's word is read in it is expanded upon Raleigh when when the word of truth is rightly divided in in we magnify God through our preaching direct teaching the Public Proxy Proclamation of the Gospel. Who got his that is the pinnacle of the Worship Service? The music just Kinda prepares your heart for that into vehicle to Kinda get you into that mind frame where. I'm ready to hear the word of God taught so you know the worship Minister of the worst pastor. Let's the music gas. Yes just. It's really a unfortunate misunderstanding So many people vast majority of professing believers have just such a basic in terribly shallow understanding of what we're this and I'll take a step. Further worship is not just what happens on Sunday morning in an hour or an hour and a half. It's how you live your life where to live our lives as living sacrifices to the glory of God in how we comport ourselves how we carry ourselves. How we handle trials hell. We obey the word of God win. It's hard to obey the word of God when we obey the word of Godwin. It costs us. Oftentimes cost US dearly in yet. We obey God's word because we know that that's what we're supposed to do and we know that God is worthy of it. That is worse that is that is also a huge component of worship. It's part of living out our lives on a daily basis leading the word of Christ dwell richly within us and we obey what we know and live our lives as as living sacrifices to the glory of God that that is also worshipped. So it's not just an hour hour and a half Sunday morning. Would you say also to add to that just in the worship is not an experience? Right it is. It is not an experience like I mean okay. Let me say this. It can be but not every experience you have is necessarily worship so in. Sometimes people ask that question because a lot of times we hear here now is is. Let's get ready for the worship experience like that being thrown around. Yeah Right. Hey done somebody say. Let's get ready for the worst experience. Will you tell me right off the bat you don't really know? What worship is. Yeah you don't have any out on what it is. Yeah I mean you go to like Bethel church comes to my mind or elevations church in. They have really talented musicians. But it's you listen to what they say it's just. It's it's vapid shallow. It's now they think they're experiencing something in their feelings or engage in. They're probably getting goosebumps. And all this kind of stuff and they they may even cry is water and they think that's worse. No God is spirit must be worshiped in spirit and in truth and so if we're not worshiping him based upon a foundation of Biblical Truth Doctrinal Truth Understanding Him for WHO. He is not who we wanting to be. But who is Those components in place. You may be having some kind of an experience but it's not a worship experience. It's not you know it's it's it's not worships the follow up on that are true worship. I mean we. We had all worshiped. We worship something at all times. It may not be the right thing to worship but are true worship of God is is isn't a permanent attitude doesn't it doesn't start and stop when we come into a building it doesn't start and stop when we have the the music playing you know. A lot of people They they are quite that and that's one thing that we have to. I feel like I'm constantly correcting people and and and people will think I'm I'm probably a humbug on those things but I try to. I want them to understand that That hey we're GONNA WE'RE COMING TO CHURCH TO WORSHIP TODAY. Yes we are but let's not mix and mingle that with. Are you talking about music or the whole should be a worship I? It should be about user experience about messed up. Don't kill me. Gazza should be. It should be is a corporate worship when we come to church. It's US bringing that true worship that we have in our in our self with God. Our our personal worship with him. We're bringing it or our family worship. We're bringing corporately but yet that doesn't just stop when we leave the church doors in fact it it's enhanced by that and in fact it. It's what gears us for the whole week for our permanent attitude toward worship of God throughout the week throughout our whole day throughout our life. Yeah I would say I. I grew up around. That worship. Was that I I mean I wanted that. In the youth yes youth group. I wanted the experience. Because you felt like like you said Justin and and you're getting all excited and One of the things that I used to do is is. I thought well if I didn't have that experience if I didn't get the goosebumps well then God wasn't at that worship service right acid. That's how I thought and then it wasn't until A few years ago whenever radically changed my by how you worship that worship was more than just music because you said it and and that's exactly how I was was Worship was music and then we had the preaching out three or four years ago. That that's me so thank God for Just the ministry like yourself your ministry and others God illuminated me to the truth. Of what worship is and One big truth because our pastor of a local churches small home church and We went to the G. Three conference and and their One of the profound truths that we heard was that This not the worship pastor right the pastor of the church. He's leading in that worship. It he he needs to be the one that everything's flowing through. And he's approving of and so I like that. There's no SS- particular term worship Pastor There's elders of the church and those elders are the ones that should be watching over their flock their sheep and their congregation protecting us. And we're that and what everything stems from. Mike is is from the true of God. It's not something that they create right is not something that we were getting this from a local Music Ministry or something like that. But everything's got to be rooted in the word of God. If it's not rooted in the word of God it cannot be true worship. Is That A. Is that a valid statement absolutely weapon you must be John. Chapter Four Goddess Spirit must be worshiped in spirit and in truth and so if the truth is not there then it's not worship it might be entertainment but it's not worship. Well Okay so off entertainment. Justin I'M GONNA take us to our next question and I'M GONNA use a term that I'm sure you're very familiar with and I know we have talked about this before on the radio but we see a lot of churches today especially in recent years where there's many churches moving in this direction and some even rising to the level of a mega church so seeing growth by the numbers declaring that success because of the type of attendance that they have and they're always blasting conversions and Baptism numbers almost on a weekly basis. Right look at what we did this week and in doing so they start deploying certain tactics and they said these are churches. That we call seeker sensitive Churches and they deploy these tactics necessary to get the unsaved people through their doors as many as I can get as possible so a typical secret sensitive church might look like this. They'll have certain theatrics the state of the art tag. The great lighting music. Entertainment that we've been talking about and typically their messages are a lot shorter than a Bible based Church that because they believe that that bores the unbeliever. So let's keep it down about twenty minutes or so and also to in that. Let's not really a talk about repentance. Hell any type of judgement or San because that just might offend somebody Celeste stay away from that. And so just what would you say are some of the dangers of becoming a secret sensitive charge in really that should be an oxymoron seekers sensitive church because there's only one secret in that has got seeks those who will worship him in spirit in truth But a seeker sensitive search by definition it it caters to lost people. We're going to. We'RE GOING TO MAKE CHURCH FUN WE'RE GOING TO ENTERTAIN PEOPLE. We're GONNA MAKE OUR CHURCH. Look more like the world so we can attract the world into it and we're not going to talk much about seeing we're not gonNA talk much about repentance. 'cause worldly people don't like those things and so but we're GONNA we're GonNa Bring in the rock band we're gonNA bring in the strobe lights in the fog machine and you know have the where the skinny jeans up on stage and do all this make make us convince a world that we're here we're gorgeous like they are aware skin. I said I wear skinny jeans. They were just messing with me about that. Before we get I get justice. We're doing the same. He's got points us to do. Just that whole the whole a effort to to appeal to the the young worldly crowd in Oregon. We're GONNA it's like. It's almost like the the kid on the playground at school that nobody wants on their team. You know and any sitting on this on the sidelines singing. Oh pick me pick me you know. That's really what we've reduced Jesus to like. He's this little kid on the sideline he's like. Oh pick me. I'm cool. I'm cool please. Just give me a shot. I'm cool I can be like you you know. That's basically what the secret sensitive movement does to Christ and to the Gospel ended. It is it's a bait and switch. When you look Jesus and look at I guess if you WANNA find may be counted the prototypical seeker in the New Testament. Go to mark chapter ten. The rich young ruler. Good teacher what must I do to be saved? How did Jesus aren't what? Oh Hey man you know I'm so you know I just I wanna meet your needs and and I know life can be hard and look at here just here. Taika Satan dogs up in. What can I do for you now? That's not what he did he he didn't say. I can make your life better. He said everything you have to give it to the board and then take up your cross and follow me. Jesus was the most seeker unfriendly person ever. I mean He. He confronted people in there said he told them to repent. He told them to take up across. Now when we think of taking up a cross today in today's Day and age we just think of kind of making it through some tough times pulling their selves up. Barb straps Muslim through a tough season or something like that. No win when Jesus said Take Up Cross. Two thousand years ago people knew what he meant because they had seen crosses action they knew what across was across was a place of death across was an instrument of execution. Jesus was I knew must be willing to die for the Gospel if called upon to do so. I mean follow me in die. I mean that that that is the most the the way that secretive churches quote unquote searches tried to do church in. What Christ did the message that he preached? You could not have two more polar opposite extremes. I think a lot of people today when he talked about taking the cross they think. Well I. I do my church on Sunday and I go on Wednesday and I done my my cross bear in this week. You know. That's good that our on Sunday. And so that's how they view that and you're right. It is such a contrasting difference between then an and now about when I asked you though. Because I'll get this a lot too. I would have been one of the ones. That actually was a proponent of his three or four years ago which was well come on now if Satan can use these different texts and theatrics could not God also use these for good. Is it really wrong to have all these elements included in our worship? As long as we're focused on glorifying God will form thing. Satan would pretty much be the last entity that I would want to follow us as a model. Yeah so that that's just a that is a dumb a really a really dumb thing to say but It isn't an inherent diminishing of the power of the Gospel Seeker. Sensitive Church is thing while people aren't really spiritually day. They're just Kinda. They have a spirit book. Cold they have the sniffles. And we just need to bring Amana track them you know. Kinda hopefully though here a little bit of truth law away. They'll they'll pick up some point during their to kind of help. You know oil use a little biblical lingo loosely. And they'll it'll help people have her life. No that that is that is contrary message of the bustle. People are not fiercely. Sit there spiritually dead they are tad on the toad dead. Don't need help. They need resurrection. They don't need a boost for the week. They need heartbeat. Because they're flatlined spiritually in the only thing that can awaken them is. The Gospel is the Pure unfiltered undiluted Gospel. And they are seeker. Sensitive Churches are trying to appeal to fallen human desires. So whether we're talking about the secret sensitive movement or whether we talk about like the Prosperity Gospel stuff were to stuff. They appeal to fallen human desires in out. That's how they draw these big crowds. That's why Joel. Osteen has the largest church in the country because he he combines all of this stuff he secrets sensitivities to faith. He's he's got both of these heretical. Guns a blazing and so he's got the largest country but yeah. All you're doing is putting a bandaid on a gunshot wound. People people need resurrection in the only thing that will resurrect them is. The Gospel is the message that you are a center if you die near sand you'll spend eternity inhale during the wrath of God but Christ has made a way for you to escape his wrath. He lay down his life on the cross. Perfect person gave himself as is perfect. Life is perfect sacrifice to satisfy perfect raft in if you will repent of Sin Turn from San Entrust Christ Christ will save you. You will pass from death to life but then once you're saying you're not promised money you're not promised healing. You're not promised that you're going to have your best life now. You're not promised any of these things. The what we're promised is tribulation. What we're promised is persecution. So I mean think. About how counterintuitive. How polar opposite Jesus message is the biblical message is from the secret sense of churches? Come to us will will be your life coach. Basically you know we'll help you to have better. Relationships will help you have more meaningful family. Live and helping you know. Better career and Blah Blah Blah as opposed to the Gospel says you're dead in trespasses in Sans if you die in your Sandra and the wrath of God forever but Christ offers forgiveness. If he will come to him he will save you. He will forgive you of your sands the wrath of God will be removed. You'll you'll have new life in Christ but that means the Bible does not say some of those who live God in Christ. Jesus may be persecuted says all who live Godly in Christ. Jesus will be persecuted. The that's I think that's why a lot of a lot of secret sensitive churches. Stay away from that message of San repentants judgment because those are the things that the lost world unsafe. They don't WanNa hear that they don't WanNa hear that there's persecution that comes with it. Give me Jesus that gives me the new car and the new job in the fan. The Fancy House. That's what that's the Jesus I want so you're right on point. I think Blake's go head like well. I just wanted to follow up on what Justin was saying. It was in Mike. You're saying Jesus take up your cross if you're GonNa Follow me mistake of your cross But also in Luke Fourteen. He talks about counting the cost before following me. Says a man doesn't build a tower without counting the call stride he says and he says hey you should hate your mother and father you should love me. Hate your mother and father. That's a that's a more of a that's him describing. You should love me more. But there's these calls with following Christ but I would also say this that the reason I think we're seeing this Manzi Pansy just young men playing this part in pasturing if you will. I don't think they're even pastors. I think they're entertainers that they will. And they're standing another on Sunday. Mornings is net of the of the teaching of theological teaching. They're not sweating it out during the week getting in their commentaries getting in the word studies. They're not doing their studies. They're trying to appeal to the math. They're trying to appeal to the world rather than to their sheet rather than teaching Steve Lawson. He says this in his in his Book About The Gospel. Focus of Charles spurgeon was may I beg you carefully to judge every preacher not by his gifts not by his Alexa culinary powers not by his status in society not by the respectability of his congregation? Not by the prettiness of his church and it goes to what you were saying just and but by this does he preach the word of truth. The Gospel of your salvation. And I think that's that's more we've got off. That's where our pastors have gotten off a lot of times these preachers. If you will is is they just give a feel-good message but rather than sticking with the word of God X. Positional preaching. That's exactly right. That's exactly right. And that's that is that that is one of the marks of a true church is a a true church will be led by biblically qualified. Mehan and they will preach sound doctrine. They will refute those who contradict do exposition Do Church discipline when it is necessary sacred sensitive churches. They'd never heard of church discipline much less. Do it practice it per matthew eighteen They are sensitive churches again. These aren't searches there. This is gonNA sound really harsh. They're not churches there goat farms. I would agree unless they are farms. And in now what happens? Is that in some of these churches like? Let's just take Eddie Juniors churches an example gateway is that right is a game Houston. Is that what you to know? Not Houston The DFW area. Yeah Eddie Junior yeah. I've been to church a couple of times before in. It's all about entertainment in its it up. It appeals to the most base measures of what fallen Flash Wallets Amina honestly. Sometimes it's just gross at the things that they do. It's it's worldly to the extreme This this is not a church. This this is a goat farm that they're not fading seat. They're entertaining goats but what will happen is. You'll have a a smattering of a few sheep. In some of these large false churches smattering of view. Seat now they stayed have either not yet heard the call of the shepherd and gone to him in conversion or they're very young Very immature believers but what will happen inevitably and I see it all the time. I get emails almost daily basis from people. They actually do get generally converted in as a Christian does they began to read and study. God's word for themselves. They begin to grow in their understanding a little bit of scripture in his that happens in there truly dwelt by the Holy Spirit. Then they start realizing something's wrong. Something's wrong they may not be able to tell you the difference between you know imputed infused righteousness and use all those illogical terms and and but they know they instinctively know they know because the Holy Spirit is bearing witness to this that something is wrong in. I've got to find truth. Where can I find truth? I get emails from people all the time. Like this. And in when you point them the truth if they're truly regenerate they're just like a sponge they just soak it up in their grateful for so sometimes people ask me. Are there any real Christians in these churches whether we're talking about faith or secret sensitive or a combination of all that are there any real Christians a qualified? Yes but the only ones that you would find would be very young believers who just don't have their theological legs under on yet but they're not gonNA stay at these false churches. We all start off as babies but babies grow up babies. Don't stay babies. They grow up an once. They start to grow then. They realize something's not right in and they start seeking out truth. That's what happens something. I wanted to touch base Justin. That really I know this. Probably Your Bailey Week and you probably wish it wasn't but touch base on the growing Bethel Jesus Culture Hill Song. Elevation worship this this movement in our churches today and in it. It seems popular We see songs like oceans Reckless love actually. In fact I heard a church seeing that this past week forever rains. We have lyrics that like spirit lead new where my trust is without Borders and nothing compares to your embrace we. We see them filling the large screens of not only just a charismatic churches or New Apostolic Reformation Churches but rather hey we've seen in in some reformed churches as well badges churches pentecostal churches methodist churches. there on the screens every Sunday morning and and we see everything from electric guitars. Drums Professional Solis. Too small choirs with nothing more than a keyboard and a few singers singing this and so we see the music. It's it's emotionally captivating. It brings me to tears. Swaying arms up in the air What's so what's not to like about this right. It seems right what what's not liked to like about these guys. Well it's a it's a great question in. It's a question that I answered at a concert at the G. G three conference in got me in a lot of hot water but stand by now down here. Let's establish I that Bethel Hill Song in elevation. Churches ARE NOT Real Churches K. elevation urged hazard by Stephen Verdict. Stephen Verdict unqualified to be preaching scripture. He associates with false teachers endorses. A he'll song is prosperity. Maybe a little prosperity but nonetheless prosperity Charismatic Very Charismatic in Prosperity Gospel Bethel is New Apostolic. Reformation is a step beyond word faith even Bethel has this Mid Theology they believe is kind of sterile a belated. It is their duty to take over. The seven mountains mandate and not take over the various institutions in the world in Christianized them in the naval. The world will become Christian. Dan In all then will Jesus come at or even candy but Bethlehem new have software from mission. Also as the name implies believe that there are modern day apostles and they have this inordinate emphasis even more. So just more your score fight. An an emphasis on Oracle's signs and wonders know the gold showing up in the services and graves poking even though there's some people say they don't really do that way. Yeah they do actually grave looking and I mean bizarre Dr Demonic cul tick kind of stuff so so the Bethel Hill Song in elevation. All these are false churches so let's establish that now they all have music outlets and they write a lot of music at as you were saying like tons and tons of churches even Sala. Churches will sing on in their Sunday morning services. A lot of their music is very bad when you read on the lyrics. It's it's like it's something that you would write to your boyfriend or your girlfriend. It's this hyper emotional. Wrote BORDERLINE ROMANTIC. Kind of stuff creepy. Really honestly some of it but some of their lyrics Allameh. Some of their songs have lyrics. That are okay. They do some of their songs would absolutely pass a basic doctrinal. Smell test. Some of them. Would you could even say the lyrics are actually pretty good. But here's the here's the danger. They use their music as a hook. They use their music as their primary means of expanding own tent. And the way they do it is they they. They write these popular songs that get played on Christian radio stations and there in the churches and so the unsuspecting person sitting there in a on Sunday morning in there looking up at the screen. And there's the lyrics in in the bottom. I think it's left hand corner. Whatever you see in fine print music by. He'll saw music by BETHEL's will does A. Oh Oh he'll saw bethuel they must be okay. We're singing their music so I think I'll check them out. And so they use their music as one of their primary cooks to pull people into their false theology there their calls basically and I have no problem saying that That's what they are. They are theological calls in. They use their music as a primary way to get people into their system. Here's another aspect of it and now this is GonNa take this a little bit explanation but bear with me as I said in an interview G. Three a few months ago talk. He'll take a back seat to no one owned my pro life stance my hatred for abortion human. But if there's anything worse than that when you sing their songs on Sunday morning let's just hey up in allegory agree with the. I've been in some good churches to churches. Were they have sung some of the songs and I when I see it out there just like oh but trump but if a church is doing what it's supposed to do according to the CC L. I. Guidelines Every Time. A church sings one of those songs than if they report it like. They should then they are. They are required to sand in money every they sing one of these songs to the Church that wrote that Song Road in produce that song so if a church is only up up doing what. It's supposed to do every time you sing. Bethel Saul you're sending money to occult if there's anything worse than sending money to planned parenthood. It's sending money to a called. It's sending money to a false church that preaches a fossil. Jesus a false gospel in his leading millions of people to hell by what they teach. If there's if there's anything I would be more opposed to giving one red cent of my money to more so than planned parenthood. It would be Beth or he'll solar array planned. Parenthood is lost. You know their lost people obviously lost people. Do lost people do doesn't doesn't diminish the horror of it lost people. Do it lost people. Do these people. Bethlen you know they. Obviously they claim to be Christians in. They are blaspheming. Christ they are bringing reproach on the Gospel. The preaching a false. Jesus a false gospel in doing so. They are leading the millions upon millions of people all around the world who followed her to hell to go on your point there with planned parenthood laced with them. You know what you're getting up front with these with these people battle in Jesus culture and and he'll saw you don't you know you know it's trickeries what it is well you. You said something to Justin. I think it was g three. Maybe it in that interview and I think we ought to post that interview as well because it's a really good interview with Todd. In fact I helped you up on the stage when you interview. I just had to throw that out there. Yes the ground but but You said this you may the point. But we don't. If planned. Parenthood was to write a song. We wouldn't see it. So why do we sing these occultist songs right even? That's I think that's the deal that we look at Avid. And we've people boy took a lot of heat for saying those things. A lot of people appreciated but a lot of people took it a game a lot of heat but yeah. I mean to as I said the G. Three conferences to illustrate absurdity by being absurd. Let's just say for whatever reason planned parenthood decided? I know how we can bring in some money. Let's let's write some Christian music and let's make sure the lyrics would at least pass. Enough of adoptable will smell tests so that most Christians would sing. It wouldn't think much of it so so. Let's write some Christian music now. Would we take those lyrics? Let's say the lyrics are great? Let's say the best lyric since how great our in we we put. Would you put a song up on the screen in your church on Sunday? Morning with fantastic lyrics if in the fine print. That said music by planned. Parenthood course not. So why would we do it for battle? Why would we would for il-song elevation knowing that this money? You know his copyrighted. The money's been filtered back to the Church to promote a false gospel. Like you said earlier. Some of the music is al-Qaeda's saone but we don't want to support anybody that puts out a false gospel so it's just to be safe. Haven no mature Christians can discern. You know things. A lot of people can't so especially stay away from it. I would say so. There's some people that would come back to that and say well this this and this because of that right and I'm Gonna I'm GonNa leave that for that interview with with Todd and you 'cause you you don't have time to get into that so I think you answer that on that interview but I will say this this question here. A lot of people say well Blake. That's okay. Maybe corporate worship fine. What about my private worship? I would if I can if I'm discerning and I can listen to. That should be listening to that. CanNot be listening to that. What would you say to something like that? Well I guess I'd probably pretty much come back to the same question. A are you comfortable with sending your money to call and be. Let's just say it was planned parenthood. You know putting out that music. Would you listen even fiscal? Would you listen to it in the privacy of your own home knowing that it came from planned parenthood? My guess is you wouldn't yeah not agree. I agree so one last question for you regarding this and this is something that I've had to do because I I do the music in our church and I've had a lovingly rebuked people that listen to that and and there's a way we can do that but how do we gently and lovingly God. Our our youth our young adults or anyone who who may who may be a part of this right that. Listen to this daily. I I know K. Love they pump it out constantly and there's a lot of people listening to Kayla you know. There's there's no really other alternatives. So how do we? How do we lovingly teach our brothers and sisters in Christ and lead them away? Even our pastors are maybe. Maybe I'm using ministers. How do we lead them away gently from this boy? Great Question I would say for one thing. We've we've got to. We've got to educate our folks on these movements are in what they teach you've heard the illustration tried and true Australian. There is some truth in it. I don't deny that but I just say I would say it's incomplete you know. Bank tellers are not ever given counterfeit money. They just know the feel of real money so well that when a counterfeit bill comes across their fingers like That feel right so in other words no the truth so well that anytime a counterfeit comes you immediately. Pick it up and I agree with that but it's not always enough when we're dealing with things like this because Bethlen hills on all these groups. They claim to be one of us. They claim to be evangelical and Paul said in Titus Chapter. One verse nine he says Teach Sound. Trinh end refute those who contradict. It's not an either. It's a both and so yes. We are to teach sound doctrine and refused those who contradict to be able to repeat those who contradicted. We need to know what they're teaching that is contrary to sound doctrine so that we can biblically repeat them. Okay so I think we need to tell folks who these groups are what they teach what they stand for and just from a real world experience. I've had to do this with some people and people say well. Maybe they'll take it harshly. I think a true brother and sister in Christ to who you know where to exhort one another where to rebuke WANNA. That's what we're to do. You Know Paul tells us the the one another to this. This is us being Christians ride. There's sometimes we have to tell people hard things and I think this is a warning or sounding a warning to our brothers and sisters if they are apart of this or if they if it's a movement and they're following this movement we need to warn them so that they don't go astray so that they don't lead Young Sheep Astray right whether the blood on our hands if it will but we need to be just as we need to be. Sound the alarm against these people because we would be doing the same thing against any other heretic. At least I would hope so. So let's do this with the let's do with especially these groups here in anybody else that has to do with the new apostolic reformation that has to do with this secret sensitive movement. That's not preaching the True Gospel that's leading people. Like you said to hail we need to be sounding the warning we can do it in a loving white. We can pull it into a side. We don't have to make a mockery of things we can just say how just want to. I want to let me I turn you into this teaching right here I. I've turned a lot of people your teachings and people have just come up to me and thanked me for that and really in essence thanking you for for your ministries. But that's I think that's to our listeners to our people it's okay to sound a warning to people to the sheet to be pastor that's one of the qualifications you gotTa Tate Sound doctrine but yet those but if you go to jude also that brings it down to an individual able to. We're all called as Christians to be able to defend our faith and rebuke those it. They come against us. But I in with this here just and we live like sat outside of Memphis Tennessee rural community. Most churches are fifty to one hundred people many a lot smaller than that. And many of these charges are preaching sound doctrine true biblical worship and though their numbers. Hardly ever if any increase at all yet when I look around they say other churches who are flourishing in numbers. What word of encouragement would you give to those charges out there whether small or big that are preaching sound doctrine accidentally the Scriptures and worshiping correctly as the Bible says but maybe not be experiencing a growth in number? What would you? What were of encouragement? Would you say to them? That's that's such a great question and it's a question that really pulls it my own heartstrings. Not that I've I've ever been in that situation or I've been pastern. That's been a pastor. That situation haven't been but I have traveled all across the United States all around the world. I've been hundreds of these charges and I have such a tremendous heart for our faithful shepherds the vast vast majority of whom are in these smaller churches in there. They're not they're not no they're not in the limelight. They're not being interviewed on. Radio programs are not being asked to stay at the big conferences that they are faithfully shepherding their little. Flops THEY ARE. They are studying to show themselves approved. They are rightly dividing the word of truth their shepherding their flocks feeding the sheep disciplining the sheep on when it's necessary per matthew eighteen but their nurturing them. They're leading them. They're they're preaching the word of God they are. They are honoring Christ's and in their churches. Most of them are pretty small under in. They're not saying the growth and I just wanted if you're a man who's in that situation. Let me let me just say to you. How grateful I am for your work. How grateful I am for your Labor because it's going to be you guys one day that's going to be at the front of the line. Not me I mean I I am I am very grateful for the big names. Some of the heavy hitters in our own biological circles We all know John MacArthur. I love in respect. The stocks offer John McCarthy Steve Lawson voting welcome in Phil Johnston Alastair Bag and all these names that we know and I'm profoundly grateful for for Paul Washer is another man Love so grateful for these men but I am equally grateful for all these unknown faithful shepherds out there. They're just doing. They're laboring away in their known only to their little flocks their little churches outside of their nobody knows about those guys are going to be in the front of the line one day in. If you're one of those guys I would encourage a key. What your honor Christ by doing your work. Your hard work continue to do it in. Trust Christ for the results I tell people that obedience is in and of itself its own reward sometimes when we obey God he does bless us with some tangible things that we can see You know sometimes. He does do that like he did with Daniel Hannan. I'm Michelle as Orion Daniel Chapter One. They were faithful to God and God. Honored them gave him a friend on the inside. Favoring the commander favor in the eyes of the commander of the officials they're Daniel Chapter one. Sometimes God does things like that and he blesses us in in tangible ways. Sometimes they're not tangible. But obedience is its own reward so faithful shepherd out there. You keep doing what you do. Keep laboring in the word. Keep Shepherding your flog. Nurture them protect them from the wolves in when you lay your head on the pillow at night you will at least have the blessing of having a clear conscience. You've done what you're supposed to do. And Trust God for the results we array God in. We trust him for the results. Whatever those results are in church is growing if it's if you're not adding new members and if you're not looking at building a new wing to your sanctuary or whatever you know what so k. It's okay doesn't mean you're not successful. No he'll be new TRUSCOTT. The results spent some time with Todd. Frio few months ago and he he. He hit some good comments about that. Your church is only a failure when it's not biblical. You may some may come some I go. I say God's one that does editions but if you stick to the Scriptures and obey obey to them. You are a success no matter what number. That's right Jolo. Stain is an abject failure he's got the largest He is in abject failure. Ed Young Junior Fellowship Churches. The name of the churches came to me AB failure. These megachurches are there. Abject failures even Arctic even further that now. Since we're doing playing that you just I know we're we're kind of wrapping things up here and man. We have really appreciated our time with this evening. And thankful you know we're kind of small town Roy. Area like feel set Appreciative of the big hitters. Out there like yourself. I know you may not claim that yourself but your ministry. Has I know for the four guys sitting at this table. You been instrumental in our lives. And so so thankful for that and and just excited to spend this time with you but before we leave I did want you to share a little bit about some things that you've been working on You did this To our Youtube Video During this this cove this current crisis of today and exposing some of these. These modern prophets and faith healers share a little bit about that with our listeners if you will and then also to share with us about the free conference she got coming up with a Andrew Rappaport. We'd love to hear a little bit about that and how our listeners can it can join in on that. Yeah so about a week or so ago. I put up a video youtube. And it's by far the most detailed video. Don But I've at book allow different video of Copeland Lou in Chuck Pierce Anna Sean boats. And Bill Johnson Injure Wall magazines these others things that they have said related to the To nineteen virus the pandemic that were going through Tracy coup in basically. I have never seen anything like this. Pandemic that has more acute in more irrefutably utterly laid bare on every conceivable level out completely bankrupt. The word of faith movement is in the the the Prophetic Movement always so-called prophets. I may the pandemic over nineteen thing has been one. Big unstoppable wrecking ball to host system to this whole abberant theological system is just utterly laid it bare for the whole world to see on every level and so. I put this video together. It is about all two and a half hours long joke with my friends. I said this Bird the avengers don't have nearly the special effects I've got a few layers of comic relief in there Couple of movie clips snuck in there for comic relief in. The kind of illustrates absurd things. But the but yeah it's It's got quite a lot of tracks on earlier today. hundred fifty thousand views or something like that. I hope that it will continue to grow and it goes. It really does expose these this movement for the force that it is it is. It's a great video not say I. I've watched through it and appreciative of the things that you expose Boca on the phone at the the just the videos that you use really helped bring to light the things that these guys are doing. Not just out of your mouth but out of their mouths That that expose themselves not just in Peter said this and he's he's spreading rumors this is. You're taking the clips of them themselves and their ministries and what they're producing for the public and exposing their very words And so that's very helpful for the watcher. The Listener So we thank you for that. We share with us This conference got coming up. That's that's something I know. You're probably excited about. Andrew is quite the character and you guys are GonNa do this This'll online conference together. Share with us about that. Yeah I'm looking forward to that. In Fact Oh oh you call footed the day escapes me Dan. Hey Hey y'all are burning on the spot good dove so yeah may early it? That's right So yeah go right there. You see the. The website is at the yeah but goaded striving for eternity. Internet are GonNa do this this conference and we're GonNa talk about discernment Organ Talk About Some teaching out the air. We're going to really emphasize the sufficiency of scripture. And that's that is one of my hobby horses. I guess I'll tell people that the real battle over the Bible today is not at least the radically. It's not over in Antsy as much as it is over. Sufficiency in we are losing that battle today. Big tyrod every fall theological mischief today in the in the Evangelical World can trace back to an abandonment of the sufficiently scriptures and so That's that's what we're going to be focusing on so I'm looking forward to that in. Its first free so yeah. I don't know you know but state of the lockdown and all that will be in by the end of another five or so will but it's awfully it'll it'll be a good tool for people they all livestream in in watch it and so I think we'll be okay by may thirtieth. I mean I think a couple more Sundays of judgment on covert nineteen by Kenneth Copeland. Don't take care of you. That's good stuff you did on that. I enjoyed that showed not only. Did he kill it on on March Twenty Nine at twelve noon? But then that didn't work. And so then he started conjuring up this heat. Wave is mythical heat way you know that was going to burn virus and I kid you not the the very next day in newer Texas which is North Fort. Worth openness is the the that was on April. The second he was released on about this heat wave that got told him about and he conjured up commanded to calm April third. The next day the high temperature in Newark Texas was forty two degrees early on a thirty one degrees below low average. Now you can't make this stuff we let love your your comment about he He declared it gone. And then he said it was diminishing and you said something like well how can it be diminishing shriveling and he said I digress? That was just nonsense is what it is but we just till we just pray that people are awaking to this and we know that there are still be people in the dark but people like you ministries like this disarm ministries little we just pray that. I we. We just pray that they continue to album people's eyes and ultimately no. It's the work of God. Justin thank you so much man. We really appreciate your time. And God bless you guys and God bless your your your ministry and your family's so thank you. Thank you Justin folks. That's going to do it. We will lessee back here next time. Adult Life Song Radio. You've been listening to live song radio. You can follow us on facebook and you too and if you want to continue to study throughout the week check out the resources available on our website at live. Song Radio DOT COM. See you next week for another episode of Live Song Radio.

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