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NBA Buy/Sell, Big Ten & Big East Betting Tips with John Ryan February 20, 2020
"We got one more guest one more segment here for this initiative radio. That is with John Ryan at John Ryan sports the number one regular contributor to bang the Book Dot Com John. How's it going today Matt? I'm doing well you. My brain is fried man. I'll tell you what I'm going to be very happy to have this. Mlb Guide in the rear view mirror here. But you'll let's again that Labor of love. I guess you know things that you enjoy doing or are worth taking the time to do something you enjoy doing here. A lot of handicapping basketball so we're GONNA talk about in today's segment and you're the focus is by and large been on college basketball for the last week but now the NBA returns tonight. So we're back to handicapping that market. You Yeah we are Your Major League baseball publication has to be one of the best out there if not the best site is pointed to Kinda plug that a little bit for here because your work ethic has been amazing and the value in a and a contribution you make in terms of information for people to get a hold of his. You'd be nuts not to get the publication period. I really appreciate that again that full. Pdf we'll be up on Friday over at Bangor Book Dot Com and to have that on Amazon here for next week but John like. I said we're coming off the all star break now so these teams all kind of on equal footing from a situational spot standpoint. You'll all just sort of trying to get back into the rhythms of the season. How do you kind of approach that with teams coming back off of that long? Hiatus there's there's a couple of trends that are quite interesting You would think that Teams that have been limping into the all star break within come out with a little bit more of a purpose But it's not the case in fact teams that are on a a losing streak of of four games or more going into the all star break their five and ten against the spread in the first game coming out of it. So that would put the the Bulls who were playing the Hornets. A needs would be all bet against. So you bet against the Bulls of when they played the Hornets Tonight Pistons when they take on the box and the warriors when they take on the rockets which also interesting these matchups as you have a good teams playing bad teams in two of them. Wanted to booze or you know that. That's pretty much even on any given day but the fact that the Pistons are playing the bucks who are the best team in the NBA. By far and the rockets Playing the warriors were basically playing this season out. I find that pretty interesting as well So I really liked the rockets and the bucks quite a bit tonight to come out of the chute with a purpose which is opposite of what would think with a team that lost going into the break. That is the opposite of what I would think. That's something that we kind of talked about yesterday sung with Brian Leonard where I kind of liked to fade teams. That were playing really hot going into the break because everything was going well. You don't WanNa stop playing but then you have to do and for teams that go on the all. Break on a losing streak. They do get a chance to wipe the slate clean. Do get the opportunity to kind of re find themselves a little bit. Obviously the difference is if you've got a team that was playing really bad and is a really bad team. It is hard to expect anything different because they're not really gonNA WANNA come back to playing whereas if you have a playoff caliber team. That was kind of struggling a little bit. Maybe that's kind of more of a play on type of scenario. Yeah I think you're you're right on with that teams to that. Were not in the playoffs last year. that are you back to back. At least losing record seasons they tend to underperform even more Over the next several weeks after the All star break and I think you're the I guess the mantra even though the professionals they take one day at a time and and and try to do their best on any given day Yeah we coming off a losing season. And then you're at the all-star break in your ten games under five hundred. There's not much motivation there to To try to recover make the playoffs whereas if you have a team. That was a playoff team for at least the previous year. And they're right at five hundred and they have a shot at getting in those are the teams. I think that historically have done well both straight up and against the spread so with that in mind I mean this is that kind of you know you're buying sell portfolio this week. Sort of trying to look at maybe more than motivation levels of teams or just kind of looking historically teams in certain situations have done coming out of the break or are there other teams. You kind of have on your buying sell radar. There's more Adam seems like I'm always on the Seventy sixers bandwagon. But the the game against the Clippers. That closed out there The the last game before the all-star break that was one of the most impressive performances. I've seen a sixers team put in in God knows when they got embiid down the paint and yet he taught the taught him the difference between the paint. In the three point line tongue-in-cheek a worked so incredibly well and the chemistry of the whole entire team was amazing and the the tone that game was almost like a game six or game seven in the playoffs. It was amazing to watch it on TV. So I think that's going to carry over I thought it was hysterical. And the All Star game when they started the second period of the Stanza embiid and Simmons jump for the ball and Simmons actually how jumped him And then down the stretch to Yosemite was bringing the defense and I don't think he knows how to play any any differently than what he does whether it's an all star game whether it's against the Boston Celtics. He brings the load every single night. And I don't know if you saw the video clip that kind of went viral with Simmons. It was before the clippers game and a fan had recorded Simmons. Practicing three point shooting. He made eight in a row and the shot was so soft. I can't even begin to tell you that it was it was. It was like almost photoshop. And you had doubt your mind whatever's even him very it was definitely him and since the year he's making over eighty two percent of his free throw attempts. Which is I mean. How do you compare it to shooting fifty five percent It's amazing to see his progress and it seems like they're just working one step at a time and it's just a matter of games until we'll start seeing him launching threes if he starts making threes the way he's able to go to the rim I think we have the next superstar right. They're you're still looking at. The sixers is kind of a by team here. Anybody that you're looking to sell right now come out of the break. I think the raptors actually in the Eastern Conference I still have a lot of question marks about them. They're forty and fifteen they've done extraordinarily well But there are point. Differential for example is six point three which is healthy. It's one of the better in the in the League but it's not twelve point one like the bucks which is a historic Number that no team has ever done that but I do think Toronto came into the break on a nine one. Win Streak Boston Celtics too. I think it'd be a little cautious on And again not to keep on about the sixers but the sixers lost six last seven against the spread coming into the break so that you're getting a an opportunity now with the public. Was betting the sixers and they lost. So now they're gonNA throw out the window and not bedroom. And that's where you really get the the opportunity conversely with with Boston. Toronto COMING IN HOT The Public GonNa be is going to be on them and I think the lines will get a little bit inflated and that gives you a chance to play the other side in the Western Conference There's none that stand out as much as those teams in the East that we just talked about Memphis is the eighth seed. Right now Two Games over five hundred Look a lot of questions. There are two they actually have a negative one point four scoring differential. They did win their last. Two Games coming into the break And our eight and to last ten So that would be more of a a team that would look to sell in the next The games coming up over the next week. Let's transition over to the college basketball side of things. Erin you do write some weeklong outlooks for us over at Bangor Book Dot Com about the big ten conference as well as the Big East conference. So we've got a couple of big ten games tonight to discuss and in fact you and I were discussing one of these teams a little bit before we started recording here Ohio state and Iowa and we talk about buying and selling. It sounded to me through that discussion. We were having that. Maybe you're looking to buy on the Ohio State Buckeyes a little bit who are plus two and a half tonight in Iowa city. Yeah absolutely this is. This is a team that was ranked number three three back in December and then went through a really really bad stretch. Somehow they've managed to claw their way back to a seven and seven conference record The ranked twenty fifth and sit in. I believe it's ninth place in the conference if you can believe that The big ten still remains the best conference by far in the nation With Marilyn at twelve in three that ranked number seven Penn state ten in five in Iowa number twenty at ninety six so the fact that Ohio State is walk into Iowa and I believe I saw the line. Adam it I hired Davis minus two and a half. I think still have other plus two and a half the fact that it's within three points on either side I think is telling you the story right away. usually in the big ten. Not Usually it's been very difficult to win on the road in the big ten Recently more road teams have won but a lot of those teams are the better teams in the conference with the better record such as Penn state Who walked into our state and defeated them and Michigan State. So that's made the the road records improve that the better teams are on the road But I wouldn't WanNa have near the guys that are at the top of the standard. I wouldn't WanNa look in the rear view mirror and see Ohio state getting their act together and climbing up the the ladder Because they they look like they're about to go on a mission or maybe they've already started it so I I really You'll get my machine learning tools to. I've already ran that this morning. I wouldn't I wouldn't be surprised if a higher state won this game by double digits. That's that's pretty much what I'm expecting by double. Digits is definitely a bold call here. I mean so what is it I mean? Is it kind of what? You're seeing? Statistically is it something that you've seen with your eyes watching their games. I mean what what sort of the what is it. That such a selling point about Ohio state. They're just the talent on that team. You can have teams that have have great town on paper. But there's no chemistry or you know couple of players aren't getting along with each other. You know what whatever reason it is. They don't perform well We've seen that time and time again in the NBA. When you get a bunch of superstars together and you expect them to win other games by ten and then something happens and they don't And I think I do believe completely a high status has gotten their act together And the early loss in the last five games has been to Wisconsin. And that was just a clunker where at that time. You almost thought that. Oh well. They're just referring back to their normal form of the their frustrating season but then they come back with those two impressive wins and now they're in position to really make a statement And if I was Iowa in with the town on that team I think I'd WanNa be facing Ohio state tonight in the situation that they're in well spookier clunkers a team. That's had a lot of them lately. Here is Michigan State. I mean this team. We know that they have a very high ceiling. We know that quite possibly could have the highest upside here in the big ten but they're really not playing like it right now. They're on the road here to take on Nebraska tonight and are laying a pretty good number twelve or twelve and a half as we look out there. Sometimes it can be a by point get right type of game for a team to go on the road and play one of the weakest teams in its conference but is there any way you could lay a dozen with Michigan State Tonight. I think so. I'm going to Reference basketball reference DOT COM for this They have some great ratings Can I compare mind? Always dis- curiosity see where they're at and they actually have the same of power rankings That I have where Michigan State is actually the top team in terms of their power rating in the conference and they're playing Nebraska whose number fourteen and the worst So I'm not surprised by a the line at all and I clearly. The play is Michigan State. Because they're they have to win and they have to win convincingly and there's no Slicing and DICING IT. Any other way Ohio state They have ranked number two of which. That's what I have them as well. In Maryland Penn State Michigan is five Rutgers an purdue and Illinois Who beat pen stayed Tuesday night which was a loss on our our article. The big ten I suggested taking Penn State and Illinois came in there and just you know they just played extraordinarily. Well they got the job. Done your Reflects how tough this is conferences. There's no Gimme wins with the exception of this game that we're talking tonight with Michigan State and Nebraska Nebraska. Brask is not going to go anywhere in Michigan. State has to play for so if I was going to bet that game. I would definitely have Michigan State Arts. We look ahead to Saturday here in the big ten. There are no Friday games in the big ten this week. I know we've had a few of those here recently. Michigan and purdue was actually the only game on Saturday. We've got four of them coming up on Sunday though. What do you think about that one? I mean there's been a lot of talk about purdue and just so many normal home road splits for this team but they are getting the Wolverines in West. Lafayette here for this one on Saturday. And I think purdue get it done the thing. I've learned from Michigan this year. Is that date? Defend the perimeter. Extraordinarily well where they're going a Ryan. I thought a head coach Shop John Howard would would have changed it by now. Is there so prone to the big man By defending the perimeter they they. They automatically stretch their defense out and at least a paint open. So if if you have a very good Big Man that can go head to head with just one defender. It really works against them. defensively so you know they do that lineup. Again I think producers GONNA keep pound paint pound the paint pound of paint until your submission. I I don't know how else to describe it it. It does blow my mind that they haven't that. Michigan has not tried to adjust the defense to be more efficient against those bigger guys. Maybe that's a little bit of the inexperienced there of John Howard. Maybe that's something that you know. We DO WANNA watch as we go forward not just for the rest of the regular season but also what's we get to that big ten tournament here but what about Sunday as we take a look ahead to that one? You'VE GOT PENN STATE INDIANA Maryland. Ohio State Rutgers Wisconsin Minnesota on the road at northwestern any of those games. Stand out to you here coming up on February. Twenty third. The Penn State Indiana game. Because that's at Indian. I believe That is the case right now. Yes Sir Yep so That's that's GonNa be a a a good test for Penn state to to bounce back from the Illinois loss at home An Indiana is one of those teams. That they're sitting eleventh right now I I would think Penn State's GonNa be three three and a half maybe even foreignness game as a favorite Coach Chamber of Penn State has done a remarkable job for the entire season. But he's extraordinarily good on bounceback type of games which this is clearly one of them. So I think Penn state will bounce back with a big Showing a big effort. Nobil come away with the win in. Ats when to all right. So we transitioned over the Big East. Here where no games tonight. No Games on Friday. So our look ahead here is to Saturday. Marquette in Providence Villanova and Xavier Georgetown. And Depaul your three Games Erin as we look at some projected numbers from Artur Vic all of these games basically one possession lines here according to him for Saturday. Any of those games standing out to you here as we talk a couple of days in advance of just the schedule here so I can take a quick look at them here. I did want to point out before we get to. The specific gauges said the Big East In terms of the power ratings review valuate the teams. The Way I do math you have a Creighton is the best. And then you have Seton Hall Villanova Butler and Marquette all with almost identical power ratings so the fact that matter is Seton Hall Barely one last thing it's Butler. That was actually one of our picks in the big east or of the week on the book end I really thought Butler before the game started. I had indicated in that article that I thought Butler would would take him down and for you know ninety percent of the game. They did problem. Is You have to play forty minutes as we all know. And then Butler Allowed him back in and Seton Hall got an incredibly important win But in terms of the year the conference. That's one of the reasons why it's so exciting to watch that conference. Not just because they're the third best one in the nation behind the big twelve in the big ten but every game is exciting and they have exciting players. Now let me get to this. Does that just I mean from that standpoint. Does it make it more difficult for you to bet? Just because you're the gaps between these teams are so small. I think that's where Public Sam it comes into play In other words if we have those four teams all equal and all of a sudden we get aligned as saying five or six. The nets talented. Tell us the story of Of what the public sentiment is so as we all know. If it's above seventy percent of the bets are on one team in a match up like that then. You probably want to make sure that you're on the other side or does not play Especially this time of year. It's interesting to join the march madness. How the Senate flips. At least in my opinion survey we know in football public loves favorites and once in a while the better dog but most of the time. They're they're on the home favourite in a in college basketball kind of starts out like you take the Kentucky's the North Carolina's which was a disaster this year. But you understand what I'm saying. Take the top names. They'RE NOT GONNA lose to a second Tier Conference. We get into the tournament always sudden. It's march madness and the public loves the DOGS AND IT. It just fascinates me that that happens. I have no idea why it happens but I guess it's because March madness upset after upset after upset so the public rightfully takes advantage of that information and sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't but I think beginning this time of year when we get the Especially a road favorite of one of those four teams playing one of those four teams. If I said that right that would be assigned to bet that road favorite Because it's it's telling us that that that there's no reason for that to really be. There should be more like pick on the fact that it's minus three and you're thinking of my thought process if if I think it's picking my mass says it's pick them and the lines three then. I always assumed the lines right. And if I'm off by three that means the favourite is a team that I want to be on if I play. It makes a lot of sense and especially you know in a conference like that and especially you know you said in the context of getting into conference tournaments getting into March madness things of that sort so for these three games here on Saturday. Marquette Providence Villanova Xavier Georgetown to Paul. And even that we can expand on a little bit more that you do like I like vila-nova and we've talked about Villanova in past weeks. This is a time of year that Coach Jay Wright gets his troops organized. I honestly thought last night. was actually a premium play for my clients Losing One The line with the poll and Villanova looked pretty funny It was four and a half five. You have to scratch your head and think well why in the world is Villanova. Only favored by that. Little amount seems like an automatic home run on Villanova. Sports books were given you away a bonus but my my math was on the Paul. Villanova crushed So with that win being so dominant. I think it's going to carry over to the big game against Exhibitor And they'll they'll come away with a win and a and that's actually recommended that On your article I think. Somehow they'll find a way to win that game in that that one could be a double digit win by Villanova They were very impressive last night. Now Marquette in Providence Marquette is another team that has the potential to win the whole thing In providence is a team that you if you're in the big east you don't want to have to play at Providence in order to do as Seton Hall about that just last weekend when providence knocked them off They have a tremendous homecourt advantage and it shows and they're also on the on the fringe of being a contender in the in the conference as well So that's GonNa be a really tough gave from from our cat to come away with a win and I think you have to go with the home team again meaning again like last week. They took off or knocked off Seton Hall and they're GonNa do it again this week. So that line I think is going to be closer to a pick which is where Seton Hall was. I could imagine providence being even favored by a point or two But my lean for right now is is on providence and then I'll update on the twitter feed If it's a premium play to of course at twitter feed at John Ryan Sports and the number one John last thing I want to ask you about here for this segment. Today as we transitioned over to Sunday in the big east you mention Creighton. A team that your high on a team that some of the other rankings metric systems that use very high on looks like they'll be pretty decent sized favorites Butler on Sunday afternoon. Any thoughts on that game. Well it's more of the same song I've been sitting here for about the last ten minutes Is that your Butler is a very good team in their own right. And there's no Gimme win here I do think Crayton is the play here For the simple reason of that. They're the better team Not by leaps and bounds but they are the better team both sides of the ball. They're playing well and we're coming down the stretch and I think criminal will get it done and you think they're like six or seven point home favorites Adam. I think that's probably what the range for this line. Kind of looks like especially because you get great in that. Jump shooting teams. We've talked about before their numbers. Just always annually look better at home than they do on the road so you give them a little bit more home respect here. I think too I agree. And then the last game Seton Hall of Saint. John's is This has to make sure they don't look ahead of Kaz. Saint John's has been has been struggling. But we've also seen Saint John's stunned some teams this year too. But that's a game where I would have to think Seton Hall be a double digit home. Favourite overseeing John's lot of good insights here for the biggies big ten and also the NBA. And you can find those same good insights over at Bang Book Dot Com and the things that John Rights for us but John. Your twitter handle at John Ryan sports and the number one. What's going on over there right now? Meant betting systems for free Team trends Put up a a Halftime Trend where people can use that for live in game betting for certain Games I know it's hard to keep track of New everybody's feed everybody's following But for the people that do get a hold of the in game stuff. I really think that's been valuable In addition to the picks and For the next three days Starting for those that get to me tonight. I'll start tonight Thursday Friday Saturday Sunday will do another Free session so you'll get four days of all the free of premium picks for free Despite a a direct messaging me on and we're GONNA use my dog's name as the password. Which is manny so this d. m. e. with manny. Embraer your email. Address your name and your onboard. Sounds like a great opportunity for this week once again. That's at John Ryan Sports and the number one on twitter. John Appreciate your time as always thank you so much for joining me and we'll chat with you next week. United atom have a good one.
The Herd-HOUR 1-Zion, Lakers, Aaron Rodgers
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He's on the show today. Joy Taylor is joining me well, it was I on John Moran Home I. It was a great game. I spent the entire day on the couch yesterday. It was wonderful. Almost I was very close to digging into my second bag of cheese. It's always a backup bag. Normal. I resisted. It's so great. It is so great. Let me start with this. Zion Williamson. Is. Better. Than I thought. He's more impactful and I thought he was going to be great. I told you. He's going to be a top twenty player by the end of his first year I. Loved Him in a college. He didn't look like anybody else the charisma style, the the POW he's better than I thought. He's more impactful. He's more powerful. He scores more easily. He's more efficient. He's a little better in transition and he shoots better than I thought. It similar to Andrew Luck I loved Andrew Luck. College I told you Andrew Luck was gonna be a star. He came into the League first year as a rookie was better than I thought. He threw for forty four, hundred yards had twenty eight touchdowns running or passing led the NFL with seven game winning drives Andrew. Luck. was better than I thought Tom Brady. was. Not, athletic enough to go eleven and five with that colts. Roster. Forty four hundred yards twenty eight touchdowns, seven game winning drives, Inner Lacrosse. Than? I thought Tiger Woods. was better than I thought. Tiger, woods won three straight amateurs. He was coming up. I was a sportscaster in Portland I. used to go golfing I was into it really into it. Then people used to complain all you talk about tiger, I'm like. No he is going to be the greatest Golfer of. Of the next fifty years, there's going to be nobody like him. Tiger, was better than I. Thought he joined the tour in August of ninety six. He won the masters in April of ninety seven, and for the next twelve years, he literally was winning majors by like eight strokes nine ten. Zion is better than I thought. He's averaging twenty two and a half points a game and shooting sixty percent from the field. Anthony. Davis rookie year average thirteen. James. Harden was on the bench Russell. Westbrook. Shot thirty nine percent average fifteen coli averaged eight Janas average seven. He's shooting, almost sixty percent from the field. He's averaging twenty, two and six and a half. And last night against John Mirant. Who is the better player? Who is the more impactful player? In fact, if you look at Lebron James Rookie year numbers the Chosen One. Zion's numbers are better in ten less minutes on the floor. So he is significantly. More, efficient than Lebron James and John Mirant is going to be a westbrook level talent. John? Rant. Spectacular. He's Westbrook but can shoot. If you go look at John, Marantz numbers with the Grizzlies, this year offensive rating, net rating, plus minus Memphis pretty much the same team on the floor and off. If you look at zones numbers and they have better players, they have better players than the grizzlies. Offensive rating net rating and plus minus. Pelicans were. Different team. It doesn't happen very often. When I fall in love with a player and he exceeds expectations. There is no question Andrew Luck. If you go back to that rookie year, how bad that football team was, they were atrocious. They had like a good corner, a kicker and him. Forty four, hundred yards, twenty-three passing five rushing. Seven game winning drives led the entire NFL. Let Aaron Rodgers at lead. Brady it let it let everybody. Zion's better than, I. Thought. More, forceful more intimidating more impactful charisma scores, more easily better in transition slightly, and he can shoot and it doesn't happen very often last night's another example. He decided because of all the pressure to go from fifteen minutes to twenty five minutes last night, and he was fan tastic. Yes. He's not a great defender either James Harden broken. Steph come on. You can't hall when these guys go from guarding home school to college to pros in sixteen months. What do you think he's going to be collide? He's going to be Paul George. He's going to be Klay Thompson. He's. Going to be honest no. But I'll tell you what he's better than I thought. All. Right. So I have been known to be critical of Aaron Rodgers, Green Bay, packer quarterback, but I? Think he's been sensational. I think Aaron. Rodgers has been absolutely sensational handling. The Jordan, love, situation Jordan loves a KID AT UTAH state big town called quarterback packers. move up in the first round draft. You know the heir apparent to Aaron Rodgers I. Think. Erin. Has Been Unbelievable and he was talking yesterday about cove it and and and you know there's a packer player that has opted out. Erin just talked about he's not going to do that and again about his career right now. You know I, savor every moment every season. I don't take any of it for granted on. I don't know what the what the future holds. I know I can control. This year and my play in in my approach and my attitude. So. Here's what's interesting. In the story about Aaron Rodgers this little line yellowed it. Aaron Rodgers. It's going to be thirty seven in December. He's got fast. And I'm left with a super bowl, a handful of division titles. On, some hellacious impressive throws. Why isn't Brady? Age this fast a theory and just think about this. Tom. Brady's forty three. Errands thirty-seven. Tom Brady feels like he's been around. So long I was watching him in Highschool Tom Brady, not his rookie year, his first super bowl winning year. Lebron James was a junior in high school. Now, we're asking seventeen years later is Lebron too old, win a title. That was Tom, Brady's not his rookie year. His first super bowl year. Tom Brady first. Super Bowl year each row. was, the rookie of the year. Each played forever in Seattle, he's been retired two years. Tom Brady. Now, fresh start reboot in Tampa and looks really good. The NFL offensive rookie of the year. The first year Tom Brady won a super bowl Anthony Thomas. Bears has been retired thirteen years. Tom Brady feels like I've been watching him. For ever. Aaron Rodgers. His first division title and Green Bay was within this decade. Wasn't that long ago. Aaron Rodgers has become old really fast and I have a theory on. Aaron Rodgers broke into this league, and it was physical gifts that we paid attention to his arm, his mobility, his feet, his release. He was physically special when Brady. If you look at Brady's gifts, they've been efficiency. Accuracy. Pocket manipulation. They have not been physical, they've mostly been. Academic. They've been in the grind. and. This is the difference between Tom, hanks and George Clooney. We never watched the movie because Tom Hanks was handsome. He's a good looking guy wouldn't jump out if you're at a bar. In Los Angeles. But we watch because of his values and this is moral compass and his connectability to average people. Tom Brady is still getting elite roles. We watched George Clooney. He was good looking, right? He was the heartthrob. Until the last movie he was in. When your gifts are physical. Your. Prime is shorter. When your gifts are viewed as mental and refined. And if fishy. And connect. You age very gracefully. Aaron was about the arm and the release and the feet and he could move. But I watched Lamar Jackson hell, he ain't close to that and I watch Patrick Mahomes and Carson Wentz and damn. He Ain't close to that and I watched the slightly younger Russell Wilson and his evasiveness, and he's not close to that. I'm not sure he's Schuyler Murray and certain departments. That errands gifts were physical. The armed, the release, the feet, the mobility, the athletic ability. Tom's were not. Hanks were not. Aaron. Rodgers is already thirty seven. December. It's like damn that caught up too fast. Think about the first time you saw Aaron Rodgers play. It doesn't feel like it was that long ago. He kind of looks the same to be honest with you. Tom. Brady. Again. Each euro was rookie of the year, not even not even Thomas this year in the League his first Super Bowl. Each was rookie of the year retired. The ball was a junior in high school, not even a senior, not even Cav. It is I. think that's why Brady. Ages. So gracefully, and why certain actors do if you depend on looks. There's going to be somebody better looking tomorrow. If you depend on speed, there's going to be somebody faster very soon. But if it's smarts and efficiency and gracefulness and the grind and and and manipulation of the play pre snap and in the pocket, it's amazing. How gracefully you last? Good stuff coming up. So Lakers, clinched. The number, one seed in the West. Of course, it means nothing because they're playing in a bubble in Florida. But some thoughts on a player, not name Lebron. That laker fans are counting on to win a title and I just can't go there. Doug. GOTTLIEB. This hour, the brilliant gm, the cult Chris. Ballard, next hour. Be Sure to catch live editions of the heard weekdays at noon eastern nine. Am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio S. one and the iheartradio APP in life. It's easy to get away with good enough when it comes to stuff like trimming hedges and folding towels, but with identity theft protection, good enough probably isn't enough because breaches seem to be happening more and. And more and with your breached information criminals commit identity theft, plus if you're only monitoring your credit, you could miss certain threats like somebody taking out a payday loan in your name or your info being sold on the dark web. 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So the Lakers beat the jazz last night watched all of it. Clinched the number one seed in the West Pretty. Amazing for Lebron, considering all the new pieces around him and his new position the story of the game was Anthony Davis who was remarkable. He often is forty two points and twelve rebounds. Here's the thing with Ad. I. Know He's talented, but my question is. What's going to happen the fourth quarter against the clippers four times. This year I saw what happened ten total points, four separate fourth quarters against the clippers. Do this thing in the NBA every year NBA DOT com. It's the anonymous General Manager Survey and I love it. If you were starting a franchise today, who is the player you would pick. This year. It's Jaanus. Last year. It's Janas the year before that it was Karl Anthony towns the year before that it was Karl Anthony towns and then it was Anthony Davis. Three playoff series wins you keep telling me these bigs are going to dominate and I don't buy it number one. Two reasons. I don't buy Anthony Davis controlling the league. I, think increasingly, the League is dominated by guys with the ball. Wing players, perimeter players, guys who shoot threes and have the ball, Lebron and Kuwa- and staff, and when he's healthy again, k. d.. That to me is what dominates the league going forward. But number two and I don't think there's anything you can do about this. You are what your personality is and most psychologists will tell you by nine years old your personality is set. They'll be slight variations, but by nine years old. If, you're intense intense and I'll give you an example. Ads Chill. Ads. talented. He's got no dog. He's not going to develop that, and that's what went in the playoffs day. One in the NBA. Magic. Johnson had leadership DNA. He had it through his career. He has it now in. Los Angeles. He is the MIDAS touch for every athlete that comes to Los Angeles. He's a business leader. He is a sports leader, Lebron James I, and the NBA rookie, he was a leader. Michael Jordan first day Kobe I eight relentless Michael I watched. This documentary is still competitive and relentless. He's been out of the League for twenty years. Dennis Rodman was quirky and intense shack was funny. Joyful, playful, and kind of cocky. That stuff is formed when you're six, seven, eight, nine, ten years old, you don't make. You can change your jumper. I'll tell you one of the things that bothers me about. Ben, Simmons. His jumper could get better if he really committed to it I, think what I see though that. I. Don't love. He's a little aloof. He's kind of detached. That for my leader. I, don't Steph. Curry engaged. Totally engaged with all his teammates, you Chris. Paul is a guy I. loved it. Wake Forest Chris. Paul. Screams leadership. He's a pain in the butt players complain about him. But let's be honest. The clippers were a joke. He got there. They were a playoff team Oklahoma. City supposed to be in the tank. Did you watch him? Did you watch the last twenty five games? This may have been the most impressive leadership of Chris Paul's Career Chris Paul Villanova Big Vertical Chris Paul's had injuries. Chris. Paul. Shoots the Mid Range Chris Paul's A. And by the way leaders PISS. People? Off. Like your DNA's your DNA and it had a lot to do more with where you grew up and your parents and your upbringing. I. Don't see radical shifts off that. An ad to me is awesomely talented. Really Chill. Not a lot of dog and that's the stuff I care about with four minutes left. That's what I care about last night. He was great. He's great all the time. I mean, he you get him low block. First of all, he's very good defensively, and then you get him low block and he gets that, but on in his length and his style, it's really hard to stop last night, you know go bare plays for the jazz. Great. Anthony. Can just e can humiliate you. He can really just roll up on you and humiliates you. But I don't see that quality that Kobe had. I don't see that quality. Lebron, had the leadership the closing the intensity i. don't see it. What I see is remarkably gifted basketball player joy Taylor the news. On the news, this is the heard line news. I'll Tom Brady was on the field today for his first bucks practice. It was. Oh. My God. Hold on joy. I'm losing my breath. He's doing the hip thing a little different than backs thing. It's so little. He looks tall and Value Looks Tali to look at him. God. He's just like Radio Training Kim. Looks. Different. In different look at. Look at the staff, look at the. Well. He obviously has a lot of good chemistry with his own teammates. Christmas Ahmet slant pattern. Yes. It's very puts their. Camp He was spotted shouting some encouragement to his receivers can give Inglis Shawn Mccoy a hug, and a fist-bump Mike Evans. So it's apparent at this point in camp. Everybody's getting along. We haven't gotten to the camp fights. Yeah. I'M GONNA. Move back to Tampa. Yeah Tampa is a hot spot right now. Tampa, but maybe that move December you put this on. I'll tell you the skin. If you put this on a network, I have it on all day. If you ninety minutes of bucks practice. I would sit and watch that thing all day long am I not. You know I mean people go to training camp with vans when in normal dime. Get our bosses on the line to set up a camera on Tom and watch for two hour. We'd like to watch bucks training. Put a helicopter over that puppy. Well. They do have the helicopters circling I, mean people do fans going to training camp all the time with your local media. You'll be at training camp. So people do watch training camp. It's not far fetched to actually errol tip on that. All my God. Not like that. It's an honest supposed to be out there with a cane or something. He does look a little different in Tampa though slender. Tan Anymore city hopping. Stop. Okay. This is big news yesterday Dwayne. The Rock Johnson is part of the investor group that has agreed to buy the XFL for roughly fifteen million. I love this. The group also includes the rocks longtime business partner and ex wife, Dani Garcia who first approached him with the idea, the two teamed up with Jerry Card all of redbird capital to submit the bid, which is expected to be approved. Later, this week Dr says, all three will be involved very involved in the league and are working on plans to play. Next season. I Love Dana White Love to Dana knows the whole story Dana People forget this. The got kicked around a lot for Tina's came in with Dana, white bought it for twelve million dollars. It was not easy. They had to get advertisers. They had to shift the rules a little bit. Take out this gouging that gouging. Dana White, that was a fight thirteen family for twelve years. They sold it for four billion. You look at the end with you have seen like everybody loves it. It was really bumpy for several years and they did not really know roof at the product overall, and then the women started fighting a lot of people push back in the media, and now it's like some of the best fights are that division. So. UFC and Dana white are the prime example of this is not an elegant easy without obstacle means it's a start up, you have to be fully invested and you know the Rock is, is a originally a football guy. So this. Amazing Story to. The NFL become the world's most famous restaurants. In my opinion and don't run for presence your to joyful and happy. That's a miserable. I. Think we've figured out now. That are our best and brightest are not necessarily going into politics. I would not want to drag my family or myself. Process. Just. You know put get together with my business partners and by the XFL. Assuming that the sale goes through the Garcia will actually be the first woman to own an equal majority ownership stake in a major professional sports league in the United States, his ex wife Yes. Okay. I didn't know that. Yeah. They're. They're business partners on on a lot of. Yeah. The oldest daughter together. And their friends now? Yeah, both remarried. Now. It's very wealthy people. Do they keep the money in the sampling and adults? Yes finally, the big twelve is the last power five conference. Soon, ounce their plans for the two thousand, twenty season, they will play a ten game season with nine conference games and one non conference game conference play does not have an official start date yet, but is expected to begin mid to late. September. After the Non Conference game. Plan also gives the big twelve flexibility to move back the championship game from December if to the twelve or the nineteenth if necessary. So there's a lot of flexibility depending on what happens during the season. The ACC is the only other power five conference to keep a non conference game this year. September is not that far away though we're talking about mid September when it comes to college football starting a month and a half, you know it's I, don't have that many media because the media tends to be too negative in snarky for me. Most of all, this happened during covert for sports is jaw dropping Lee effective. We have some ends. Success it's. GOLF NASCAR UFC NBA NHL. By the way, eight hundred tests don't by ninety nine percent of what happened has been unbelievable. and. Baseball's had a couple of outbreaks in the long run. It's the good teams that have a chance to win. They're not having the outbreaks they know stay away. But people ask me all the time. What do you think's GonNa. Happen. To College football and joy I say. Big Question Mark Outside of the SEC. I think the SEC is going to bulldoze their way through it and they don't care. But when people ask me about college football, it is a total fingers crossed situation I. Think the main unknown, the college football is because they have not elected you to the Commissioner of College Football. Thank you the President I. Don't know what title you you wanted, but there is no governing body you'll centralize. We know that, but there's no centralized commissioner. Football, everybody's doing their own and make. Its balkanized. It's like everybody's doing their own little island thing. We'll. What is the so to me? This is I. Love College Football we both love. College football. It's just fingers crossed everything else I. Think is working even the baseball stuff people are freaking out like folks. The Yankees don't have an issue. The twins don't have an issue. I've dodgers. I've I've seen what these leagues have done and they. They figured it out I. Mean, it's not like they're like waiting until September, I start making plans. They're working on it, and we we are all at the mercy of what's going on which is out of our control, but they're gonNA, figure it out. Joy, the news updates. Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping. Heard lie news could show today I. Got all my buddies on Nick nurse of the Raptors is on later. Doug Gottlieb brought to you by Mercedes Benz. The best or nothing is joining us. Radio show on Fox sports radio after ours. So let me start. Let me start with the ad thing I mean, he's amazing. Last night I watched the whole thing. I mean he, he can just embarrass you. It's very hard to stop. But Doug, you play college basketball. You still play basketball. You can change elements of your game slightly, but guys are what they are. The guys that lead the guys that are tough hard to go from tough to finesse. You are what you are when I watch a D. I C. unbelievable talent. But I don't see a take a game over four minutes. Left guy in the playoffs. His entire career and I know that comes off as harsh. But is it fair? It's absolutely fair and I think Lebron knows it and I think of the of the things that Lebron has accomplished leading his team. Being, the one seed in the West actually pales in comparison to what he's done to build up Anthony. Davis. Confidence in these situations, you're right now in fairness, he hasn't been in the situations. At this level of the NBA. Playoffs he's disappeared previously, but he was kind of the lone wolf and at times when he's in new. Orleans. So your analysis is correct. He doesn't really have that dog in, but but here's the parallel guy and lay Kobe Bryant. told me this. I'll never forget it and he said, you know when powder saul came to play for the Lakers. The reputation of Palca Saul was he was euro soft. Soft, right. It could be a tough guy in the regular season. You get down the postseason and he didn't have it, and then of course, you win championships Kobe, Bryant. And he's one of his favorite team teammates ever seen as a great competitor. So that's challenge Lebron James and I, think you've seen this process build the entire season where Lebron has tried to to get to get him going and. Earlier in the year when they lost to the. Clippers. The coaching staff broke down the film like look eighty disappeared. He has an advantage especially against clippers inside now, last night, it was more outside because when he was playing five and he had rudy, go bare guarding the bucket, but you're right in your analysis, the Lakers. No, it Lebron knows it. He's trying to get, and that's the big challenge for Anthony Davis once we get into postseason play. All right. I'm. I'm Gagarin's ion listen I get this way I've been covering this for a long time. So when I get these rare, these tiger woods, these Andrew, luck's these Patrick Mahomes. So Fun because Doug. We just don't. We get maybe to to a decade where you get these like all time players I. Love Zion, but I, know you're saying yourself, Colin pump the brakes a little what concerns you with Zairean Williamson, today. He just consistently falls out of shape. Re Way too quickly. That's that's really it. I. Mean, if you watched last night, there's some jaw dropping place, but there's no ability and maybe desire but ability to play defense because it exhausts him. So look he's he's playing the five. He's undersized five like no. One's ever seen in terms of explosiveness obviously got develop a jump shot I. think it's reasonable to think is shots not broken all the volume of shots Eventually, you'll have to guard amounts to three point range right now, you'd do not. But but the the his body concerns me, you know he cannot play long stretches. Now, he cannot play longs. You know consecutive games without getting hurt previously in his career happened to do cabinet assembly happened earlier in the NBA. So his body and I stand that he had to take time away from the bubble to tend to a family matter. But that doesn't mean that he couldn't go running that didn't mean that he couldn't monitor his diet because he has not looked nearly ready in terms of his physical condition I. Know Everybody's going off and instagram picture where he's yoked like dude yoked, he's football strong, he's thick, but he appears to his. His body. He's got what they call the fat gene in the NBA like Darren Williams to have this right where if you don't play basketball for like five days like Damn, what would happen this dude? Yeah. He's still a great athlete, but the injury risk the thought of planting and something going wrong. Really alarms me. I like everything else except for maybe the sudden lack of desire to play defense. Yeah. So I was saying this this morning. I think Aaron Rodgers is really handled himself. Well, with Jordan love stuff. He's been really smart, really an adult No passive aggressive. He's been upfront. Totally. The packers haven't but Aaron has been great. But this morning. It was funny I was looking at a story on air and it says he's thirty seven in December I'm like. I feel like I've been watching. Tom Brady, I. Mean Ichiro was rookie of the year. Lebron was a junior high school. An errands gotten sneaky old fast. And I was like an the the analogy I use is the hanks clooney. When looks are the driving force, Tom you age fast bezos always a better Guy Ryan gosling right including. But with hangs, it was never about that. So He's age so gracefully and I will look at Aaron Right now and doesn't run late Lamar. He's he doesn't play like once or Mahomes at his best. He feels like he sneaky old to me thirty, seven in December does he does he to you? Yeah. Yeah. But I would also think that this is part of what's happened with Tom Brady. It's part of what's happened. Drew Brees is that they've they've you know forty is the new thirty SORTA speak I, I'm GonNA disagree with you in terms of how everything's been handled I like Erin, I consider him a friend and I understand that that he emotionally feels like they're coming for his job. No one on earth. Thanks. Jordan. Will be ready to play this year. Let alone next year, and then you have no preseason this year. Year he's not going to play under center for the Green Bay packers, unless it's week seventeen and they don't need Aaron. Rodgers to play right and even then he's not to, he's not going to play in the first two years. So that would take him to where he's thirty eight, gunby, thirty nine, and it's reasonable for any football franchise to have a backup plan to have a succession plan when a guy is thirty, nine years old, and this is a very specific and he he and his interview with with good morning. Football. He's like look at the situation circumstance. Aren't the same Brett talked about retirement. I. Don't WanNa I. DON'T WANNA retire like. Look I the whole move to get. Jordan. Love Makes Sense. They don't need a quarterback, but they do need a succession plan in case he continues on a downward trend. Now, here's where all disagree with you I. I. saw the NFL ranking's top hundred players like is laughable. Mahomes the best player in League Russell Wilson's considered the second best quarterback, Arron Rogers is the third best quarterback in league and and in all honesty if you wouldn't take the Shawn Watson and Lamar Jackson for a season for one game. I don't know what you're watching. Lamar Jackson. Has Far exceeded. Anybody's reasonable expectations, but he's going to have children the ability to throw the football. When starting California a when they get behind the playoffs which he has not all the rest have. So I'm not as down on Erin in terms of his present or future as maybe you are. But I also think it's completely reasonable for the Green Bay packers to look for success because as you pointed out like when you tell people, he's going to be thirty seven, and if you cut out the outliers, Tom Brady like Tombo Tom Brady has done is literally has never been done in the NFL. Even Tom Brady showed great signs of age over the past two seasons. Drew brees did as well, and you're playing the colder Green Bay. It's completely reasonable and. The hangs thing in the clooney thing whatever he's age relatively gracefully had some injuries along the way patch of screwed it up. They choked away that one game in Seattle, but it's reasonable to have a succession plan whether he's Hanks Clooney in this analogy. Pretty. Good right there. By the way. I, it's go too far in the weeds on this, but I was telling joy is that the commissioners of these leagues have done a better job than a lot of the governor's I think you have seen golf have been great mls, NBA bubbles, hockey bubbles been from what I've haven't watched it. But very good. The draft free agency I'm kind of blown away by everything. I. Think. Baseball's been good. But the MARLINS and the cardinals guys made poor decisions. The good teams haven't but. The question Mark Sport, for me. It's really. College football. You love joy. Loves it. I love it. Today Doug. We GonNa have. College football. I believe we are I. Believe there'll be a substantial number of p players that opt out. Here's the I talked to a college basketball coach this weekend. And what he said was in this, you know my my point is always been. You're safer in whatever bubble environment. On campus, then you are off campus and it's not because you. You have a complete sealed up like you do in the NBA, which is the safest, but it's because at least the coach has some form of control. You have doctors and the ability. Yes. People when you're at home everybody's running the the problem is the liability. Guy. I don't think any college coach or administrator ever wants to put a player in a position where they could die, but they also don't want that blood on their hands that brings down not just their program, but the entire sport, and that's what leads everybody to being hesitant. I've I have a niece who's off to the SEC. Thirty. percent of their classes are online. At Auburn seventy percent are are in person. So they're going back to school I. Understand this idea that you can't trust young people to follow whatever protocols you want. The problem is you also can't trust them when they're at home either that that also applies if they stay home and fair, that's fair and so look I think they're going to have it i. do think that money is is a is a big motivator. And I think that if the players are there and the students are not I, think it's a much safer buddy. Yeah, and everybody's taking class online. Nothing really changes I think they're going to have it. I just don't know of all the star players will play a lot of the guys that are opting out are doing so because they want to protect their draft stock, not truly because their health I don't actually believe they believe they're unhealthy good stuff. Hey, hey, less I got one. I, got one more thing for one more thing for how come frank. Vogel hasn't gotten any discussion coach the year. Because Nick nurse. And Billy. Donovan have shocked us. So in most years, Vogel would get it. I just think what Nick nurses done is ridiculous. Well, Nick I played for Nick. He was insisting coach USB L. Guy. He was a head coach in in England and he was our system coach needed. He is a brilliant coach, dude from Iowa who he worked his way up the ladder and I would I agree that he and frank. Vogel Remember Vogel took over an absolute dumpster fire. He was their second choice. They want to be the coach and everybody said. Said Oh, Jason Kidd is the assistant coach. He'll get the job midseason. They have the best record in the NBA, and we're I, think he's done a great job and it's it's really hard to argue with Nick nurse didn't even get it and he probably should have. But I do think that Vogel should be in that conversation. But congrats the nurse that team is well coached. Watch them a visceral the. Lakers. Defense. The other night was a thing of beauty. Yeah. He's. He's really sharp on our show today the Duggar. Doug. GOTTLIEB thanks buddy. Coming up next. What if you didn't save for retirement? You wake up, you're sixty four years old, you want to retire and you don't have the funds. You take some big risks to catch up, and that's what an NFL team did again. Or made do again, that's coming up. Be Sure to catch live editions of the heard Weekdays at noon eastern nine am Pacific Time Rimini and I am joined by Mike Render added. We are very excited to announce that we are continuing our journey with a new podcast called Scientology Fair game. What is fair? Games determined scientology that that is used to describe a was used to describe. The Taking care of, and that's the euphemistic term. Okay. Threats and enemies of scientology. What it really is is a series of writings and policies, directives, L. Ron Hubbard that lay out how you go about destroying someone who is an enemy of scientology. Listen to Scientology Fair game on the iheartradio. APP. Apple podcast or wherever you listen to podcasts. Think's going to be a thing in America I'm really doing now bring a sandwich to work brown bag it. Really liked that because we can't have food services here. And I was starving during the show. I Brown bag it I. Bring my own sandwiches vary see you have to eat all day all day all day. Long. Not Eat a big breakfast. No. I just I just have to eat all to every two hours, not diabetic or anything. Grazer all day long. Don't like big meals. Have snacks. I eat a big breakfast I very rarely get hungry during the show last night. I had two pieces of salmon two hours later, bowl cereal blueberries, dinner. That's how I eat. Feeling by doctors say I'm GonNa live to be one hundred. Stomach. Mixing all that stuff. Not. Really. been doing it forever. So it's probably used to it. Now, my stomach's just it's like, Oh, here's Wackadoo haven't Sam at three and cereal at four forty stomachs gotten used to it so. I've seen this happened actually the people in life. You. Don't. You don't save as much as you should, and you get to retirement and you're like sixty four and you want to play golf and travel, and you don't have enough money. And then to make up for it, you get reckless and take some big swings and get swindled. And your retirement. Really Sad. Sometimes sports teams can do this when they don't pay attention to the details. You see this from bad organizations, they take big swings on players to make up for crappie drafts. Seattle is not a bad organization, but they have deteriorated in recent years. Their offense and defensive line play is not good and not close to individual rival San Francisco story yesterday, the Seahawks are looking at Antonio Brown and Josh Gordon. You, just gave away too I, a third and a starting safety. Jamal Adams. A safety. These feel like big swings potentially reckless. Because you haven't done a good job in the draft in recent years, the niners in division. Last two first round picks under John Lynch. Nick. Bosa a plus Mike mcglinchey. A Seattle first round picks. Rashad Penny appears to be a boss at least for a first rounder and AJ collier ain't much either. Plus you gave away to first and third starting safety for Jamal Adams. By the way in division San, Francisco's loaded enrolling the rams in their off year were nine and seven, and Arizona's no fun to play. Should be noted the SEAHAWKS also. Get both eastern teams this year out of division. So they gotta go to Philly and Washington, and Buffalo and Miami, and mixing an ad Atlanta. They will travel further by a mile more than any team in the NFL. If, you don't invest smartly and you end up close to retirement end up taking generally some big swings and they always tell you an investing hit doubles after fifty five, take your big swings if you're gonNA, take him early. The. These feel reckless. It's Seattle trying to make up and listen Josh. Gordon. There's talent there but not dependable Antonio. Brown. Really. I. Mean Decay. Metcalf. It Russell Wilson. Receivers not your primary need. Unless, of course, you believe in division. You're the third most talented roster than you do. All right good stuff today, Chris Ballard. Very Smart General Manager of the Indianapolis. COLTS IS GONNA stop on by? Tom Penn, Co. owner, L. AFC, and former NBA, GM nick nurse of the raptor stops by as well. You know people from the Pacific northwest. So people think I am down, you know whenever I'm critical of my teams in the northwest like wire, your critical I wasn't critical to Seattle until about a year and a half ago, and all you start, you start digging deep on this thing, and it's like come on, let's get. Let's get an offense that looks like twenty twenty offensive line is bad. Again, the defensive lines deteriorated. Jamal Adams feels like a big swing to me. They gave up too much and I think this stuff feels reckless. I just get the draft, right? That's better. Okay. Oh, coming up next. We have just acknowledge something that happened last night. and. How truly impressive it is. Even if you don't want to admit it, you got to take a deep breath. Admit you're wrong and go that. Amazing our to next. Hey, this is Jason McIntyre. I have a new daily sports podcast launching on Monday August tenth straight fire with Jason McIntyre. This isn't going to be your typical sports pod pushing the same tired narratives down your throat everyday straight fire will give you a level of authenticity. You just don't get in sports media today. Honest opinions on all the biggest sports headlines, accurate stats to help you win big at sportsbook direct conversations with all the best guests. Look I. Know What Sports Fans Want. You want the fluff, the list, the hot takes, but I'M GONNA. Give you what you need. Need, I. Can't say that I'm going to be right all the time, but unlike the rest of these shock jocks, I'll always be real. 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Quarantine USA! (Pt. 19)
"Hello and welcome to me is confused this Matt Delia. And this is episode. Whatever the fuck whatever the fuck number it is. That's the number that it is. That's the amount that we've done. I stopped keeping count Speaking of that. Yeah sopping count of these quarantine solo episodes however as things start to open back up in the world starts to return to normal as normal as it can be. I'm going to start having guests again. a lot of those guests hopefully ideally and probably will in one form or another touch on Not necessarily what's going on but but but probably a bit of what's going on with specifically regard in regards to the pandemic but also people in various industries that have been affected by it. That might not be immediately. Thought of When we think of the people who are affected by these things because the truth is this has affected everyone and anytime someone who has a job that I don't usually think about or that is not you know in my day to day purview? In my mind I'm sort of taken aback by how far this shit has really you reached. There's no one that is totally untouched by this. And as I start to get back into guests and all that that's going to be something that I keep in mind and that I want to sort of expand on and explore the various ways. This shit fucked everyone up Also been sort of teasing my merch and video video. We're going to be doing video soon. And I said we'd have it up by. I think we'd have it up by now by today which obviously we don't With the I've been trying to set up a studio to record on video at home and there were just a few sort of annoying things. Sound things and shit like that you know. Try to set up a home studio of Buchan Panama's so there's a little bit of a delay on this. The store though and video will be up and running by June first so that soon and that's very exciting speaking of the pandemic They're gonNA talk much about that shit today. Though who knows anything can happen. Anything can happen on Mattias confused. But there's a big cover story today On the La Times. I still at the actual paper. Which is I'm like fucking eighty years old but the cover story was about how California's act turning the corner. Despite the fact that Cases arising every day we are We hear we Californians are doing really well and the outlook is pretty good. We actually might be able to reopen before July fifteenth. Which is what Eric. Our city had said but now they're targeting July fourth which is still too fucking far away but you know trying to fucking stay positive. There's one thing though that I hear constantly more than anything else and I haven't talked about this yet and I've been wanting to very very very annoying to me and very honestly very very strange to me. The people that are bitching and moaning about not being able to get their haircut the La Times. I saw an article in the La Times. That said some fucking guy a Guy. First of all drove six hundred miles to get his haircut. A guy in California drove six hundred miles to a county You know later or sitting in la the town. Adam fucking I forget that was allowing barbershops to remain open. The do drove six hundred miles and I saw his hair and After and before and I couldn't fucking tell the difference the way people are about haircuts is mind boggling to me everyone bitches and moans about. I can't even get my haircut. Hey who the fuck cares. Also Hey if that's your biggest fucking concern year all good if your biggest problem with this entire fucking pandemic entire Global State of emergency. If the biggest problem that you have in your life is that you can't get your haircut. You're doing great. Have a little bit of perspective and stop bitching about that again. I say this all the time if you want to bitch about how. You can't get back to work help. People need to get back to work because the economy needs to get running otherwise the fall out of that will be just as bad as any kind of pandemic are valid. We one can make these arguments. But it's not valid to bitch and Moan about how you can't get your haircut and how it's unfair also. Your hair looks fucking fine. No one is noticing your hair just in general in general. Nobody notices your hair. No one gives a fuck about your hair. I I mean this is an exception and I understand. It's a weird thing about haircuts I don't like a couple things about it that I don't like I don't like having people touching my head period but beyond that I really hate sitting in a chair with someone so close to me because I feel like I have to talk to them and I know that's not true but I also know a kind of is true. I know we don't like to admit it but the truth there really is. It's true that there's this weird pressure to talk to the person that is basically on top of you for however long ticket your haircut. I haven't gotten a haircut haircut in years and I know that shows because I'm looking like Andrew K over here actually need to get my haircut hair probably cut my own hair not because fucking barbershops salons are closed. That's why I wouldn't fucking go anyway. But it's getting to Andrew W K territory and that's not really what I want. It's not really good luck but fuck it so. Stop complaining about your hair. No one cares about your hair. No one's noticing your hair. No one thinks about your hair. You're a spoiled Brat if the biggest problem for you is that you can't get your haircut and you're actually opening up your mouth and the sounds that are coming out of your mouth are in the form of words that are bitching and moaning about not being able to get your haircut. You're spoiled Brat. Actually speaking of newspapers I can't even believe every almost every day I still like. It's fucking nine thousand nine hundred fifty three. I still get those. The Ten twelve page newspaper style things in my mailbox. That are like coupons. Or WHATEVER THE FUCK. How is that still a thing going in my box? It's going everyone in my buildings mailbox which also means is gonNA everyone's mailbox in buildings in my area. That is such a fucking waste. The reason I said coupons or whatever it is because I don't even know what it is. That's how much I have a little. I've looked at it. I've never been looked at what it is. It just goes straight in the recycling bin. That should be allowed such a fucking waste. No one's ever looked at those though. I guess someone's looking at them. They would send the shit out. If it didn't work out for somebody I got. I got a flurry of Dm's today from our man. Florida Man And I don't know what to make of him. A lot of them are just well now. Not all of them are just Instagram posts. So you know. I've asked him to send me proof any for context or those of you who might not remember Florida man is the pseudonym of invented for This guy who loves my podcast. He loves it. It's his favorite podcast. But he hates the things that I say about conspiracy theorists and the conspiracy theories that they believe we've grown into we've we've developed a sort of back and forth where he sends me things that he sort of thinks of as I mean. I've asked him to send me evidence in links to articles and things like that. He has only really sent me a link to other instagram accounts. And for instance just he sent me. I mean I would say taught today. He sent me twenty of these in that. He's not like A. I mean Florida Man. If you're listening I'm sure you are. You are crazy. But you're not crazy for sending me. He's not he's not like constantly barraged with this shit and also. I always ask him to send me this stuff because I appreciate his the fact that he disagrees with me but still fuck in. You know it's like it's the whole premise of what this show is. I mean the the idea that like just because you fucking disagree doesn't really mean anything you know. Want to get to the bottom of what someone thinks. You don't just fucking argue with them and write them off. You ask for more and more and more and more and more to get a clearer picture of what you're dealing with a kind of person you're dealing with what they think all that anyway. One of the things he sent is a post from an account that is awaken. The mind and this is what it says. It says conspiracy theorist a person that researches a subject and then uses logic and critical thinking skills to form an educated opinion instead of just blindly believing whatever they saw on TV. Okay this is a false premise. This is the thing that bothers me. Also this is just an instagram post for demand. This is not proof of anything. This is someone's opinion someone with an accountant named awaken. The mind. Okay although we can. The mind has one hundred and thirteen thousand followers. Which but here's the thing about a conspiracy theorist is is actually not that and this is obviously made by a conspiracy theorist and and the thing that's positing is that everyone who disagrees with a conspiracy theorist just eats up whatever they see on TV. That's not what's happening. What conspiracy theorists is doing is seeing what's on TV and being convinced that that is a everything that they're hearing is a falsehood. Puppet strings are being pulled by people. Behind the scenes there are uniform messages from the media and everyone on TV. Everyone In Hollywood all of the elites are the deep state of those Satanic Deep State all Satan loving deep staters who eat babies. They're controlling what we see on. Tv and were getting their narrative and they're convinced that or what they tell themselves and each other is that we all all of us non conspiracy theories just eat up the narrative and we're sheep. They like to call US people. But that's not what we're doing. What we're doing is not believing utter horse. Shit like these instagram posts. Here's another one I mean there's a lot actually this is another. Oh another one from awaken the mind. Great so you can get covid. Nineteen recover from it but still not immune to it but a vaccine containing the virus will somehow make you safe. Well here's the thing and here's the thing about the vaccine that I'd like everyone to remember especially anti vaccine people. There is no vaccine yet. There is not even close to a vaccine so whatever you're railing against as if it's being shoved down your throat there isn't a vaccine and all you plan democ mother fuckers who shared that in believed it. You guys are fucking dumb for believing everything that thing says because there's one basic thing in that dumb fuck can crock of Shit. You entry wants realized makes the whole fucking argument null and void. And it's this. If this whole thing was planned by the people who owned the patent on the treatment or the vaccine the future vaccine they would have now by now if they invented the disease in a lab. Put IT OUT INTO THE WORLD. Shut down the economies of the world fucked everything up right now or not right now before right now they would have flooded the market and the world with that vaccine. There's no reason to wait anymore. Now is the time before now is the time to come in and save the day if this was planned by the same people who also had the vaccine ready to go to make money off of it giving many then the vaccine would be in the world already and they'd be making that money. GimMe Mini. Here's a I always love. When they bring here it is again fucking Shit. This one's by an account called shrouded in secrecy. I love how dramatic and heroic. They make their accounts seem and their whole. It's like this. Totally representative really shows how these people think of themselves awake in the mind shrouded in Secrecy Freedom faction the free thought project. These are all back. Pats these these. They'll get at the appeal of what it means to be. A conspiracy theorist is a way for the powerless to feel powerful. Like they're in the know like they're the smart ones like they're the ones who have power through knowledge anyway. Here's one that I I always love this Kinda Shit. When you hear this a lot you see this a lot. Actually at the protests that we see the antilock down protests. And all that. They're going on right now. This one is a this is just a picture of Anne Frank which I mean. I already feel like that's out of line. You know the way the fucking Nazi thing. Thrown around as a comparison has doled the edge of that blade so much that it means nothing now and that is actually a scary thought but so fucking reserve. Those comparisons for when things are actually similar to what happened in Nazi Germany. Which hopefully never comes and it ain't happening fucking now. That's for sure but it's a big thing is a picture of and frank. This is shrouded in secrecy shrouded in secrecy. You know anyway that says the law is not a moral compass. The people who hid and frank were breaking the law the people who killed her were following it. That sounds like a rationalization to break the law. You Know Again. It makes it so black and white this basically posits that laws are the enemy and the people who break them are the heroes. Here's another one from awake in the mind. Florida man. Just send me information not opinions while this fucking epic. Real pandemics don't require faulty virus models rigged test results in accurate reporting and manipulated death statistics and then really small finer print on the bottom. It says but psychological operations do what psychological operation. Who's running it? This is the thing with they posit. There's no meat on that bone. It's just an alternative. It's just a different way of looking at it but there's no meat on the bone this last one. This is the free thought project. This one is the most followers three hundred forty thousand followers. Jesus there's a lot of mother fucking crazy people out there man. It's a it's a I love when they really put the effort into making these things. It's like a mean looking thing with four images all over the shoulder of a man watching the news and in quotes it says on the top. I don't know why it's quote says this is the new normal and then on the bottom. There's more tax than says every AD commercial Those same things ads and commercials every ad commercial and news report. Now has the line the new normal in it. It has textbook social conditioning. Introduce an idea and keep repeating it until it's accepted as normal. I mean that's nothing that doesn't mean anything. Just classic fucking Paranoia Shit. It makes me think like paranoia paranoid. Schizophrenia is more common than we actually. That's my conspiracy theorist conspiracy. Theory paranoid schizophrenia is a more prevalent than we're being told that that truth is being suppressed by powerful people. The numbers are are are suppressed because it seems to me like way more people are paranoid. Schizophrenic for instance all three hundred and forty people that followed the free thought project. See my paranoid schizophrenic. People I saw This video that I fucking loved. It was this doctor. I don't know where he is but apparently there was this. There's this might be in California. Actually the actually. I saw my brother posted Saw a lot of people posted after that. But it's a video that's going around this doctor. Actually I don't. I don't even need to preface it. He explains everything will need to explain but here it is. I read today. They're gonNA have blue angels of the other Air Force. Flying Wizards fly over many cities for the healthcare workers to show their support. They cost four hundred fifty thousand dollars per flight over city. So there's two of as nine hundred red. You WanNA healthcare workers. These are the Goddamn then ninety five mask that we have to deal with these are painters basques get us a Clinton Guinness. Pd's and ninety five master want anything gets tests for everybody okay. They'll fly over something so we could see some craft order developed to make the president. Look good you WANNA help. Healthcare workers take that same money and feed the people in the inner city that on anything to eat the food workers who are working health service. People fly over say law great. Let's give real but I read today. So That's Dr Bill. Whoever the fuck Dr Bill is and that's the shit that's going around. He's talking about some flyover that was meant to be a show of support for healthcare workers. But he Dr Bill here is pointing out the hypocrisy of that. Because if you really wanted to help you wouldn't waste money. GimMe my money. You wouldn't always money on a fucking flyover that cost a million dollars or even cost two hundred dollars. You'd give that fucking money you put that money to actual use not bullshit grandstanding. And he's talking about how I mean. I don't know if there's true but he's saying don't do that. Kinda Shit to make the president look good. Give us the things we need to help fight. What's going on if you really want to help? Don't piss money away by some dumb flyover but the making the president look good things sort of stuck out to me because at first I was like. Oh that's kind of annoying that he made it political because the truth is it doesn't matter who is doing it. The priorities are still fucked up and to make. It seem like it's a politically motivated might actually hurt his argument rather than help it. But it got me thinking. I mean that's probably the truth and I don't know how these ideas parrot in my mind but it made me think about the testing thing how we're still fucking behind on testing. I saw something the other day. Where like behind Slovakia on testing per thousand per hundred thousand people whatever the fuck and Trump President Donald J dump? Five-year-old BELIEVE PRESIDENT OUR PRESIDENT WHO's dumber than a five year old? Beavis has often said we don't the more testing the numbers will go up the more testing. We have which obviously provide some transparency off as to where his mind is. The fact that we're behind on testing is so unnecessary and so avoidable that you have to believe and this is me venturing into conspiracy territory myself that. I can't help but believe that we're behind on testing because we want to be because the more retest the more the amount of cases will go up and the worse he will look for. Bungling the Handling of this from start his whole thing is we gotta get back. We've got to get the economy humming again. Because he knows if we don't he's going to fucking get his ass kicked in the election by the demented GRANDPA Joe Biden which is probably true but still that is a fucked up thing because if in a very straightforward way he's looking out for himself and his future prospects more than he's looking out for the country that he was elected to run and take care of and look out for so instead of providing tests as needed. He's actually just trying to get elected and he's actually wanting lest less testing because the more testing there is the worst he thinks he will look which. Hey man you'll look fucking bad already if you WANNA actually get this thing over with rip. The band aid off. Get more tests as doctor. Bill said provide the fucking country with the tests that they need workplaces. Airports fucking restaurants everything. We need test fucking everywhere. We need test coming out of our asses when you test coming out of our ears and asses. That's GONNA get us back to fucking normal. I gotTa say though I'm fucking I've heard varying things I've heard From people who even who live in L. A. Which is a super liberal pocket of the country? Obviously where I live. I live downtown and honestly I find it. Incredible how I would say actual almost actual one hundred percent of people are wearing masks. Which is fucking impressive. I have some friends who live in More on the east side Highland Park Mount Washington C. Nobody's wearing masks there. Which is weird. 'cause that's like fucking hipster Mecca. You would think that hipster Mecca would be super fucking down to get behind the more liberally aligned cause but I guess not that. I'm hearing in Hollywood. Everyone is masked there as well but I have another friend who lives in Colorado and he said he's literally the only person even around wearing a mask and when he's masked gets looked at like he's got fucking diaper on his head and that made me mad that made me stand up and pace around a little bit because don't fuck in turn it around. That's like that's like kids. Bullying other kids for being smart and getting as fuck that. Get as where where the mask. That's fucking bullshit. And that sort of highlights my problem with these people who refuse to wear masks entirely. It's the same shit as being like. Oh you fucking loser you'll get straight as yet man. I get straight A.'s. Fuck you it's so topsy turvy. People who do the shitty thing trying to make the shitty thing seemed like the thing. They should do to that. Everyone else should do to fuck that. Do The fucking cooler thing do the better thing get as where fucking mask. All right. I take a break and other side. I'm GonNa talk about something near and dear to my heart has nothing to do with the pandemic But it is To me just as important as anything else. So talk about that in a little bit Don't go anywhere Matt. Delia is confused. Will return right after the break. If you have not heard about anchor it is the easiest way to make a podcast. I use anchor to make this very podcast. First of all it's free so there's that everybody wants free. There's also inside the APP. There's tools to edit the podcast from your phone or your computer. Anywhere is the most user friendly thing possible anchor will distribute it for you. Spotify apple podcast. You can make money from it. Check it out. 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It's a film called stranger by the lake. It's a French movie and it is. It's on shudder right now. Actually which is weird because shudder is kind of like shutter a lot. But it's kind of I mean it's obviously associated with horror like pure horror stuff can kind of like schlocky stuff but this is like some. Jenny is like an art film. Basically it's like a genuinely beautiful amazing and kind of a scary movie it's a thriller and it's about This dude oh it's it's about cruising actually it's cruising the the gay term like Actually don't know the exact definition but cruising is like you go to a random place where other strangers are gathered and you just kind of like pick them up and fuck him or suck him or fucking suck him or fucking. Suck Jackson whatever And yet it's about this dude that goes to this lake in the in the summer and he develops a crush on this dangerous guy who he sees potentially sees Drowns someone someone else and they grow closer and his attraction. The main guys attraction grows to this stranger by the lake who might be a murderer. And it's about the lore of danger And the setting is really. It's really smart Beautiful and kind of scary movie and the scary thing is obviously whites on shutter but the reason I bring it up is not to just pump up movie that not that many people might some people might not know about and too heavily recommended. Absolutely watch it if you care about movies at all. It's called strain by the Lake. Anyway in the movie. I mean the subject matter of certainly allows for this or calls for it but there are so many Dixon there's so many Dixon and It just got me thinking about how fucking I mean. I was GONNA say prudish. But it's beyond prude. How we hear our country react to or are willing to see rather Dick's period. I guess I was GONNA say on camera but as C. Dick's is like a fucking outrage. Here digs are never in movies now. A little bit more. I mean obviously. My Dick is in American animal. Michael Bender Dixon Shame Kevin Bacon. Dick is in wild things for like two seconds. And it's so weird because at the end it's totally unnecessary but every once in a while you'll see Dick and American movie it's fucking rare though however the amount that you'll see a naked woman in a movie is like obviously a hundred thousand times more than you'll see even a soft dick let alone a hard dick hard. Dick is just automatically associated with porn and stranger by the lake has some hard dixon it. I like seeing dicks in movies. I'll tell you the main the main reason I like seeing Dixon movies because it's a weird to hide them if a man is naked in a scene in a movie and the cameras going out of its way to not let a see his dick then. I'm distracted. I'm not distracted by the presence of his Dick. I'm distracted by the non presence of his Dick especially when there's a naked woman with him and you can see her entire naked body. I'm not one to fucking call patriarchy but it does exist. And Jesus if that's not a fucking example of it I don't know what the fuck is things almost every movie. Hasn't it in one form or another every rated R. movie at least is a gun or a gun going off and a naked woman or at least partially Naked Woman? Almost zero percent of those have even partially naked. Man I find that fucking strange show more Dix. I don't even get the argument against it. What is the argument against Dixon? Camera that they're ugly. They're not even ugly. Dicks fucking rule and even if they don't rule even if you don't agree with me they're not ugly they're just fucking Dicks and if you think they're ugly it's because you've been fucking conditioned to think that because they're hidden from your fucking view because movies act like I don't even know I don't I just don't I don't get it anymore. It's fucking twenty twenty show some Dick's I'm not saying. I want a less female nudity. Not Arguing for that. I'm arguing for more male nudity. Because it's a weird to not have male nudity fucking shows. Dick's is Paul Hogan you know. Who's one of my favorite directors? Paul Villanova coincidence probably not going to do my best to show a Dick and every single movie. I make so far one for one now. Another reason has been kind of on my mind A friend of mine sent me. Let me let me think. Actually this is. This is such a fucking crazy thing that. I WANNA make sure I get this right okay. So a friend of mine who I've actually never met But we kind of know each other on Instagram Sent me And said look I know this is gonNA sound really weird but I'm doing But I swear it's a coincidence. I'm doing a an. I believe it was an art like an art collage project and I'm using old nude magazines To cut and paste at to to take from two to for the piece of work that's being made And got a lot of Old Nude magazines cut from you know and one of one of the one of the Stacks to be scoured for nudity. was a stack of playgirl magazine's and. Here's the coincidental part. There's an issue of playgirl from I think summer of two thousand and thirteen which is right around when My movie came out American animal and in it. There's a fucking section called celebrity skin and I'm fucking. I'm fucking in playgirl. I'm in playgirl magazine Playgirl I'm in it and I had no idea and guess if I immediately ordered my own copy course I did in fact I regret only ordering one right after this order more. But I'm in playgirl. There's like eight different stills from American animal and my fucking Dick just doing whatever my Dick happens to be doing at that moment and I'm in I'm in playgirl in a section with like fucking Matthew mcconaughey and channing. Tatum and I didn't even know about it. That is both so happy. Making the fact that I was in playgirl and so upsetting that. I didn't know about this before summer. Two thousand thirteen. I believe The guy this is probably the best part the guy on the cover of the the the issue that I'm in is that Dude Nick from fuck that showed Gigolos. So this is one of my finer moments in life when this was brought to my attention. You WanNa do that. I haven't that. I forgot fucking to do on Sunday. Some twitter questions How Matt I have a CO worker? That thinks he's above everyone on earth because he believes in the whole pizza gate and Cunanan thing. How do I verbally slap in interface face? He's almost forty constantly. Saying most people live in a major acts. Well how do you verbally slap them in the face? I mean if they believe in pizza getting Cunanan I. Here's the problem with that verbally. Slapping him in the face won't matter won't matter at all because they get off on that they often being told that they're fucking crazy lungs so that they can go home at night and think about how you're the fucking sheep but you're saying he thinks he's above everyone on earth and that could not make more sense that's the whole reason. They adhere to this shit to feel that way. Oh look someone call me out for fucking you forgot question period last Sunday service. I know I just said that. Feel fucking bad about it all right. Let's get off my back about it. I listened to Sunday service on Tuesday. I loved it. You mentioned right wing. Watch as an outlet you read regularly question is what are some of your sources. I want to stay informed but I don't want to quote my cousin's Mom I mean the best my might absolute number one go to source for actual news. I mean right. Wing Watch is entertaining and interesting. But it's not really like it's not like a full picture of of of of the news of the state of the world for that I go to the Atlantic. The Atlantic is by far by far the the best News outlet. It's actually not. Here's the thing. There are editorial pieces on there that are biased. But they go in every which way. It's not just one kind of bias. So there'll be an article about Something that takes one side and then there's liable to be in our another article like right next to it that takes the other side of that same argument but the Atlantic to be the smartest and also must actually balanced out That there is i. Don't go to the Minneapolis. I go to CNN to make fun of it. I sometimes go to Fox News to try to get as depressed as I possibly can. But I don't actually like soak up that news. I don't like CNN. I certainly fucking Hate Fox News in anybody who tries to make some kind of equivalence between the two them is a fucking idiot. Cnn socks but Fox News is like you know hell do think you're going to get charlie another friend or do you think she prefers being a solo pup. Why can certainly answer the last part of that question? She absolutely prefers being. Sola bump she fucking hates dogs every once in a while. She'll like dog. And here's her criteria for like doc if it's smaller than her if it's male if it's male and if it's smaller than her and if that smaller than her male still has its testicles she fucking will love the dog and Mike Go wild. She'll go running at it and like running. Stop right in front of it and like Shaker ass tales. Going fucking crazy Scott with their nuts still on their body every other dog. She either doesn't pay any attention to or actively fucking hates so what's a funny untold story involving Bill Delia. Awhile while I guess. Okay my dad is one of the most even keeled people that I know. It's one of my favorite things about him. He's very calm and collected. He gets animated but like for fun when he's making a joke when he's telling the story. I don't mean he's fucking boring but he's very like even it's hard to like make a mad you know But every once in a while like every once in a fucking Blue Moon it'll happen and there are two times that it happened Maybe I'll tell the second one at another another episode but the one that I'm that I wanNA tell right now I was. Jeez I must have been like thirteen or fourteen was young. And there's this part anyone who lives in La. We'll know there's there's this part of the one ten where your past just past downtown and there's the entrance to the five to the left and it's not like this anymore but this was. This was back when there was one of lane that you could that you had to get in to get onto the five. Now there's to fucking. Finally they fixed this but this was this is like a why they fixed this actually when the story. I'm about to tell you. So what a lot of people would do. Who KNEW THE DEAL? Is that lane? The five is like a major freeway and that one lane would get super super super backed up while the other three lanes of the one ten would be winning was by and depending upon where you got on the freeway we got on the one ten it kind of fucked up your ability to get over because some exits are the line is so long some days in some moments that you can't even get on the back of the line your exit. You're entrance the part you got on is too close to the exit so like you have to be the person that has the edge in like an asshole and the cut in line you know however you don't know you don't know what's up if you're already in the lane you don't know why someone's trying to cut in if they're just being an asshole trying to cut in line or if they're just trying to get on the fucking freeway you know. I have a policy about this as a driver. Anyone who wants to get into my lane for any reason no matter what. I think of their reason I let them in because why would I not do that? It doesn't make any sense. Who Cares. Let them in or at the person in what are you doing if you're not letting the person at why are you doing that? You're just you've just chosen to be an asshole. That is so strange. That is so fucking wildly. Strange to me you. You've just chosen to be an asshole to a total stranger for no reason saves you basically no time does nothing for you other than to exclude someone from getting what they want. People love that people love uh of blocking people from getting what they want. People Suck Anyway my dad and is just in the car he he got on an exit where it was already passed the end of the line to get on the fire. So we're on the one ten and there's already a standstill line to get on the five the back of which we can't access because behind us so he has to get in to the lane obviously before we pass it but he also has to get someone to let him into the lane because everyone isn't is a massive talk and doesn't want to do that so we're going going going and he actually sees an area where there's room to go any doesn't even need to piss anyone off so he goes. He goes to go. He goes to go there. He starts to edge into the lane. Day needs to be in an some Woman in an SUV just like it was clearly an to block him from getting into this and it was like she sped up and blocked my dad's car and then my dad puts his blinker. And now we're getting to to close. We're like it's not like we're GONNA miss it but getting the point. Where were they gotta get over to in the right lane and he like? I don't know if he rolled down his window or Hong to try to get her to Letterman but she did that thing. Which is like I can't even express to you how much I don't like this. When people do that thing where they pretend like they don't see you. Is there anything more obvious than someone pretending not to see you? Why do people even do that? It's like if they don't look it's not there you know if I don't look person I don't have to be faced with the fact that I'm titanic fucking asshole. That's weird actually. I'm realizing this that's weird. They're being the same amount of asshole by looking or not looking but not looking makes them feel less shitty about being an ASO. Hey I have an idea one you just stop being an asshole and then you could be less shitty and not have to worry about how you feel anyway. She just doesn't do it. She's just like blocking his car because she I'm assuming believes him to be a PERP. She thinks he's doing it wrong. He thinks she's just cutting in line. We weren't but this is what she thinks because she's decided to think that so she's actively trying to block us from getting in so weird anyway. My Dad fucking figures out in the Dale Earnhardt. But now we're right behind her and there's more than one lane as we open up onto the five two lanes than like six lanes so as it turns into two lanes. My Dad is already really pissed. Which is way on characteristic. And he's like this mother fucker this fucking asshole. He's like foot flick them off flick off and I'm like it's a woman not that that means I can't flicker off but like you're assuming it's guy it's not a guy like your fucking frazzled. You're on and it's all good. But he's like we'll get a fucking booker off. Got A flicker off and I'm like all right and he can't the only side he can get on the only side of her car that he can get on because she's now in the further right lane and there's only two lanes he has to get on. The left side of her is to pull up beside her on the left side. Which of course means that? I'm the one on that. Can that is next to her. You know so. He Rolls Down my window and he he's like Matt. You GotTa do it Matt. You got give her the finger and he's so mad he's not saying that he's like you got you got give a fucking figure and I'm just like Dad. Are you in there? Are you inside of your body or is this someone else? But everyone has these fucking moments you know. So he pulls up next to her and she's still doing that thing where she's pretending she doesn't know what's happening when now it's like it's true. We depressing now. But she's doing still you know because now it's glaringly obvious what's happening. He's like become fucking Dale Earnhardt. And he's flanking her and now we're right next to remind windows down and he's like she's not looking and he just starts a laying on the horn together to look because it's of the utmost importance to him that he sees that she sees me give her the finger. I don't want to give the finger at all but my dad's pissed and honestly she deserves it if anyone deserves the middle finger or someone who does that sound like. She specifically singled out people. Who Do this are fucking assholes? But I don't want to give the finger I'm more like. Hey Dad are you all good you know but she looks over and I gave the most apologetic middle finger in the history of middle fingers. I like shrugged tilted. My head a little bit like I don't know what to tell you I don't know it's just has to be done sorry and I just fucking lifted my hand and stuck my middle finger out the window and then my dad fucking sped away and he was so bike had been lifted off his shoulders. It really like a re. V aided his anger that I the thirteen year old son of his gave this woman. The Bird fucking never ever ever forget how. We're was sorry. I gotTa do it. Here's your finger. Even remember the face she made she did. Look you know. She was trying to look but at a certain point. You can't not look like when someone's fucking little laying on their horn But yeah that was I mean I always bring that up with him. I never let him down. What else what else we got another. I think we're up on our air. Bud Your Matt. Your podcast is dope. Which big budget in. Which small budget films would you most want to directive remake of Damn That's hard to say low budget thing I would. I would probably often. I think that the things that should be remade are like bad things. You know like know I don't I don't love remaking things that are already good because that thing already exists however that being said I don't have a problem with things being remade a reimagined or whatever. I just think that. If you're GONNA do it you should do it for something that's bad. There's this shitty movie. I just saw that. I kind of liked The premise of project nightmare. The do that runs account actors. Upset that I love so much recommended it to me or mentioned it to me and it's interesting. I wanted to see it. Something like that. Like some shitty older Scifi thing. That has a good premise. But it's just so fucking Shitty as far as low budget things go. That's probably what I would pick. Big Budget Damn remake a big budget movie. What big budget movies should have been good but isn't besides all of them I mean I would love to remake some of like the classic Westerns that that exist. Those are those tend to be big budget because they're period and there's a lot of action them show like that but in like set pieces and gun play but I don't really know which one maybe I would go with The naked spur old Anthony Man Western that I love so much. That seems like a genuinely great film. That could use a remake That I would like to see that I would like to do. What does an average normal dated look like for you lately? Looks like fucking being at home? I write I write and I do this. And that's fucking in a good one that ended on Matt. Why is it that you park on a driveway yet? Drive on a parkway. I'm not happy about that question to be honest but Nice little riddle. Did your brother actually suck you in the face? No saw him in the face. The fuck is that question. Would you get that information? No I punched him in the face. because I we had made a deal this all ended on this. We made a deal to He was standing offer that I if I if I gave him. I could punch him in the face. I didn't take the offer because I had no desire to punch him in the face of the time but one day we were in my room and we're fighting on my bed and we were like it was like it was like we were fighting up bad and like we fell on on my bed. And like we were fucking ripping on each of the shirts and Shit and then fuck and finally I just like we were tumbling off the bed and I punched him in the face and he kept rolling. Because I'm so fucking strong. He kept rolling and fell off the bed. And I saw my life flash in front of my eyes I knew he was GonNa kill me in the heat of the moment. You know like He. At this time I was like ten and he's fourteen. Years is way bigger than me and I didn't even run because I was like I'm dead. Why would I run before dying? I might as well relax before dying. But he didn't kill me. All he did was his head up from the other side of the bed and say ten bucks so but that's the only time I punched in the face. We Punch each other plenty. But that's the only time either. One of US punched the other one interface and he made ten bucks off of it so it worked for everybody all right. That's it for this episode Checkout Summer Twenty. Thirteen issue of playgirl. Because I'm fucking in it and the one with the guy from Gigolos on the cover. Which is the coolest thing that ever happened to me? And whoever will happen to me and honestly ever will happen to anyone ever in the world so sorry everybody but it happened to me. Not You Alright I love you all day safe. Stay healthy stay home as much as you can. Stay SAFE spy. Al Points added.
EP-202 | MACV-SOG Chronicles with John Stryker Meyer
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L. at checkout at ton cannon dot com to receive your amazing discount read them into military disclaimer uh-huh enter military dot com slash display mentors for military. Mike cats all right well first. Stop Welcome to the mentors for military show here. You are all big. You just came off the Jaakko willing show so this is small time small fry compared to him for sure but we appreciate you coming coming on the show nonetheless because I think this show is going to be what I would term. Maybe is a mega episode. I don't know I I would kinda see how this pans out but I say mega episode because typically John. Our shows range from about forty minutes to about an hour so you know we're just GonNa go with this thing. See where it takes us but there's a lot of great information nations stuff. I want to dive into from your history so again up to the mentorship military podcast. Well thank you sir. It's an honor to be here and my time is your time. You've got me excited about your program. Always glad to talk to anybody who's interested in our history from our little dirty war. Yes I want to go into just that because we take you you all the way back to. When you first came into to the military where were you at how did it all began and why was it that you decided to go into the army for our branch and then later into special forces. Well it all started with flunking out of college. It took me two years to flunk out of college. I flunked my dad's sent me a letter working up in your seventy the National Forest Nasa Park and he said you did it. You flunked out. They're gonNA come draft you and and went down the list of the couple apple must later. I got home and are listed for airborne on signed got in with Ait Jump School when special forces just training and then after that we had a little RT training radio teletype before we went to Phnom and we landed in Vietnam dithering country training at the end of this a heyday. There's a special project anybody WANNA volunteer. Johnny McIntyre said. Why is it sorry. We can't talk if you're instant sign up. We did welcome to McAfee Saad so I WANNA get into Mac v SOG but before that I went to Kipp back just a little bit because we're talking about an eighteen month timeframe here basically from the time that you win and I it was December two the following December. You had completed your basic training airborne qualification your cue cores in about six months after all of that which was the following December six months after that and say may June of that year the following year you went to be dom I mean this was. This was a really really fast paced. Training we chit training at Brag was quick and then we had twelve weeks of radio teletype which was was from January through March of sixty eight. We had a month leave before we went to Vietnam. We landed in Vietnam at the end of April all sixty eight in your case. I understand too that I am. I correct in a stadium. You're an e too. When you went to Vietnam. Yes we are proud got demoted from Private First Class to private he do and you've got to share this story because it's pretty pretty fascinating when you went into the band so you go see the CEO and what what happens at this point the old male is only maybe twenty three twenty four years a new butter bar new lieutenant and we were down to temporary duty and they hated us. We hated them and so but period of time he called me in. I had eight Article V teaser easier everything for being late for formation being disrespectful so he said pick one so I picked one crumpled up and threw it at him he said now you got nine line and so me a giant. McIntyre we we had our stripes torn off ignonimously and then we went to Vietnam privately Deuce so I came in the the military in one thousand nine hundred ninety nine went off to Osa one station unit training basic gay. It Combo for combat arms the following year in one thousand nine hundred eighty and I still remember the term especially from my father because I was a Navy Brat of Zipper stripes so this happened happened. Frequently in the sixties and seventies you know work is would one day be one rank. Did you know they take them off. Sometimes they'd Velcro the damn things on honor they call them. Zippers drives because you might as well go zipper mom because you're never gonNA keep them for very long at south perfect yes of course I don't even know Velcro Felker was around at that time frame so up. I want to get back into Vietnam a lot of people you know. I got to thinking about this. Most of the people today that are fighting in this war John believe it or not are of the age where they're great. Grandparents may grandparents but possibly even great grandparents are the individuals who fought in the Vietnam War. That sounded crazy to me. I know that sounds crazy to me but you're I hate to say it but you're I. I just found that so fascinating so I thought well you know. Maybe we ought to talk about not just a Vietnam more but we're also going to get into your special unit but the Vietnam War was something that in our country entered into before us in Vietnam the French tried to stop stop some of the stuff that was going on by the time we got engaged. Things are pretty heavy yet the human trail cover and a lot of your books that was just starting to come together Arbil. I think our government was trying to deny a lot of the stuff that was going on. correct me. If I'm wrong anything I'm saying so far well we did support the French. We were there with them. Supplying both in air and I guess some technical support and a when they got feed it there was a period of the time when the people in North Vietnam and had a choice they could go south and the people who lived in the South could go north. Well thousands of people left North Vietnam Vietnam to go to South Vietnam of course included in that way Viet Cong but there are people who generally didn't want to be with the Communist so fast forward to when I land in Vietnam I have Vietnamese of my teams. They knew their government was corrupt. They preferred a corrupt government in South Vietnam to a communist government where take away all your rights and can kill you and just throw you away in jail forever or whatever and Dan you know when they talk. I can burn the folks they talk about who she men the boys of North. They'll talk very much about their the way they treat their own people killed them off the way mail did. Stalin any good communists. That's the way they worked but people forget that side of it and our guys knew it and that's why they were fighting communism and that's why we were there and you know just lucky to be here to talk about today. Yeah no live I mean and this was a very different war and very different type of communist fighting like you had said because what I'd like to do is really create that fear environment right absolutely yes. Sir Fear temptation do it our way or we'll tell you know in in so in the introduction of your books chronicles volume one and you start off with for our readers unfamiliar with the Vietnam War there was a deadly eight-year secret war fought outside the conventional war it was fought by green berets in their indigenous troops troops in Cambodia Laos and North Vietnam from nineteen sixty four to seventy two run under the ages of the Military Assistance Command Vietnam studies observations his group or simply. Sog Saad chronicles volume one is a nonfiction nitty-gritty story about the mini fought in the secret war hidden from Congress the nation fellow soldiers Vietnam and their families. If a saw green beret died in Laos a received the medal of honor stemming from mortal combat in Southeast Asia their families and the nation would be told told they died in south Vietnam or received America's highest award for Valor in South Vietnam not in the actual countries where the combat occurred sock Doc ben went across the fence in sterile fatigues with no dog tags no form of identification no photos of loved ones or any detailed information that would indicate they were American Erkin. Why because it was a secret war. Our government needed plausible deniability if any soldiers were killed or captured by any communist forces so this was this kind of the world that you guys you volunteered as you said for this. Is that secret you know type of missioner's setting that. Sargent came out and ask for the volunteers correct. Yes Sir so I mean. When was it that you guys realize that basically this was almost your typical suicide type missions that you guys were going going to be running? Did you guys figure that out as soon as you guys realize where they were bringing you into it. Just start signing these documents that said hey listen. You can't tell anybody at what point was. It was like the crap man. What did I just volunteer for well. We weren't quite that quick but when we had gone through training group there were guys they're men. Green Berets who told us they've been via knocked two or three times several of them and they all had purple hearts and they all said you go to Vietnam do a traditional camp. Dan Special Projects do not volunteer and get the first tour under your belt you like being an SF to think about the projects but the casualties are bad so so the movie was out the book out for a few years that song had been out so McIntyre nine a few of our buddies we went through the country training. Which is I forget the two three weeks and at the end outcomes the guy. We got like scenario so hey. We're like we're with the program. We've been watching World War Two movies. This is an opportune. We're inside Wayne Green Beret. Yeah Yeah Yeah this. Is this the cast meows. This is like what would they do do do. We know what the Duke would do to go so we're gone. We raised our hands and the next day we had the briefing up in Danang and you know we signed a document before we got briefed. The documents said you will not talk about this. You cannot talk about it if you do. You will be prosecuted. Federally Sakai got your attention and the other side bar on that which was really for all of us that were communicators that did Morse code code did radio stuff we have been trained by Sergeant First Class Villanova Paul Villanova who had three tours of duty previous to us and he had trained us like in my case. We got recycled on Morse Code. He was the sergeant huge stayed on nights. Weekends worked with US got US up to spe- and got US graduated when we're at this briefing we learn that in January sixty eight he was the first. Kia that that year and SOG and that you know there's a word mind bleep that is that is the word that's appropriate here because that hit us hard particular all of his colleague. We're GONNA like wait a minute Philip Rosa three tours first mission in the secret war. He's dead head yeah well. We're not going home. We're not going to be home for Christmas. We're going to get carried honing casket. That's where it really hit home. Yeah I can only imagine I mean again. You think about these guys who've gone on before you got all this experience that you know you think their the bulletproof you know these guys are the best train nothing's going to happen. Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah we're green as grass green berets raise and all these senior special forces men all of whom have one or two more tours of duty. All were like saying you know I don't think about this and here's our hero a man who who helped us get through the chorus dead children action and then of course with my experience appearance we landed at Fhu by we got off the helicopter and the King beat helicopter South Vietnamese Helicopter Takes S. T. Idaho into Laos and they've disappeared. They've been missing in action since May Twenty second twenty third nineteen sixty eight and that's how I got a job job in RECON. The whole damn team was wiped out. Wow so I mean when you're you're looking at. When is it that you can talk about that. You guys you couldn't bring this up until twenty years later right correct. We couldn't tell our parents you know loved ones or anything like that. It's just like and they're they're serious. I mean how seriously were Bob. My Dad when across offense came out my first book if the Book Kim Dad read it and and he came up to me and said you know I could never figure out why that tall guy came by picked up trash I said what do you mean says when you're in Vietnam Bernanke says is Tall African American man came by and he picked up our trash. It got to be a regular thing. I saw him do it more than once and a couple years later when dad went to work at the post office where the FBI ATF always centered they. They had their offices at the post office in Trenton New Jersey so I saw that guy and that's right he was working with the FBI and they check our tress to see if you're right anything inappropriate uh-huh my God this is like right out of a movie where you would see this going on in wiretaps even when the phone was actually on the receiver so that you could listen and Dan and find out what's going on the conversations different. That's a that's a good Guy Stewart. Were were you guys. I think one of the things you just highlighted here. Though too is that among the seekers destroyed was documentation that sock suffered the highest casualty rate of the war exceeding one hundred hundred percent casualties. Yes sir how we had met like Bob. How're who was put in for eleven purple hearts he'd didn't he canceled three but still receive a and our people others that had multiple purple hearts and others who like a my case we we're a purple heart was a stigma for anybody in SF Skyla. Oh you're so stupid you couldn't get away. You got wounded. You got shot so there were two other ties while I was put in for the Purple Heart where I went to the guy do me a favor. Just Kinda like put that in around ask Askatasuna got one purple heart. That's enough. I'm embarrassed by it so we were it around in your fatigues or anytime or anything so it. It's just there's things that you guys were small enough group though that people would recognize it oh yeah yeah. He got a purple heart this last time yeah. This is Mars little boy. Johnny is really dumb. He got free for hearts. that's. Great Oh my God so what was it that was different about. We're all the teams in primarily recon we also we had the RECON teams and they had exploitation our forces which recall had hatchet force and the hatchet force could run and Mr Cross defense could be anything from a squad to tune a to a company size operates which is Operation Tailwind and saw chronicles where you had B. Company from Khartoum at CCC September Eleventh One Thousand Nine hundred seventy lost into Laos to take the pressure off of a CIA operation that was under great siege buddy NBA as so in that case yet sixteen Green Berets hundred twenty page and after that mission there are thirty two purple hearts handed out to the sixteen to sixteen being Green Berets on a mission. Oh my gosh what kind of was the missions of recon. Is this kind of where you were going in to do not just observation but you guys would go win for down pilots. SF guys that had been pinned down or retrieving bodies. You know that was kind of the the main at different categories. Yes not as you said. Gen recon sometimes point recon like there would be the observation plays was he something new for bridge crossing or pipeline or a new telephone line that somehow they would get a sighting. They we wanna find out what that is or cash shays days supply dumps find out where they are pinpointed and bring the air force into destroy it or if we could carry enough c four to blow them them up and addition to peel w snatches that was always a priority. If we had an opportunity to snatch appeal w then everything else went away because there's nothing more valuable than a living Intel source which is a living soldier we get him taken can back and then the professional terrors we get with talked to him. Learn what they knew and then the bright light was the most dangerous of all missions because that it would be to go in for a team that lost people or a team that was under siege. Try to relieve them help them get out or downed pilots or body recovers we use you carry body bags and you would only carry weapons firepower one cantina water no food 'cause you knew there waiting for you and and most often that would be a very vile firefighter for example when Idaho disappeared two days later S. T. Oregon went on everybody on the team was wounded wounded. One South Vietnamese was killed and the enemy used American hand grenades against S. T. Oregon which was bad news. Could we assume they got from our team. Got Wiped out. Wow Wow wow wow yes sir. I I come across one story that you and I were talking about a couple of days ago when we got on the phone and you were saying about the the battle the battle where the NBA general later on got a chance to talk to the sock the radio man and at that we might dive into that a little bit because because I think it really highlights which guys were under in many of your battles and stuff so one of the most amazing stories you talk about is to emerge from the eight year secret war during the Vietnam War took place voice on October Fifth Nineteen Sixty eight west of the Chew Valley one of the deadliest targets run by RECON teams based at the top secret compound and Fu by fob one and run under the agents of the Military Assistance Command Vietnam Studies and observations group or simply Saad so Kinda give us an idea of what was going on because as I understand that the communist North Vietnamese the NBA had inflicted severe losses on SOG RECON teams prior leading up to this and it was in this valley that the a key location where enemy troops and supplies were funneled down the notorious human trail when everybody hears about the studies Vietnam into South Vietnam to take their war into the major cities to you know bring their tanks and their supplies and everything down through this Kinda give us an idea of October fifth nineteen sixty eight or yes and it's it's a tragic story that was compounded by the leadership at Fhu by before the mission because previously we had a team leader Tim soft who was the team leader who was removed from team 'cause he was only in the five the S. Three brass wanted to put in a guy who was a a staff sergeant or sergeant first class and he had more rank but no experience so tim shaw went out to another sinement. They made the team leader. the one zero team eighteen we're at won't even mentioned his name because it's really sad because when they went into the target on October fifth he was on a first helicopter to second helicopter helicopter had lynn black on it who had a combat tour with one seventy third airborne and sixty six n Vietnam and he was experienced experienced. WHO's a cool head a good a good soldier so when that target came up where they got underground? Lynn saw an NBA flag. He told the the team leader. Hey we've got this. There's a flag here. There's at least a battalion that means at least three thousand. NBA Because Nightmare recon team here and the team goes. I'M NOT GONNA have any gook run me out of a target and then he turned around ordered the team to go down a trail. We never walked on trails. Yeah I mean that's your like an open. I mean you never WanNa. Go out into the open like that so to say it's point is when he walked down that trail. He walked into an l shaped. Damn Bush and the NBA heard helicopters lacob come in there was a colonel who directed fifty men into an l shaped ambush near like on a high rise that was to the right a a little bit in front of the team as they walk down his trail the this new one zero no experience but more rank walked the team into into an ambush. He was killed instantly more sadly. The point man was killed at installation. Who is who is a veteran good south? Vietnamese soldier third was was wounded and he eventually died during that firefight imagine fifty. NBA soldiers on a bluff to your right yeah and to your front off the right and they're all firing at the RECON team recon team fires back that was the beginning of an all day mission back and forth worth the NBA tried to overrun a team the early hour two hours of that mission. Lynn black lack took over the team because the other American panicked. He began praying. He never fired one shot anger. Oh my God as so so here's lind black fortunately had cowboy who was a South Vietnamese team member and his name would dough on and then we had another guy not not kwan who's just fearless these both came from north Vietnam to hate the Communist and a forum with great courage that day they stacked tacked up lily stack up the bodies and built a bulwark of dead bodies so the next wave of envy a hit them they would kill l. more and stack them up they eventually ran out of Ammo they would take ammo and weapons from the dead soldiers and during the course of this day the air force came in with a one Sky Raiders Marine Corps army gunships and with went back and forth all day and finally at the end a an a lost lost process three helicopters and a couple of aircraft were damaged severely but we get back to base and at the end of the day the team got out so limb black got out and the guy was praying got out dot com cowboy and two other team members got out came came back now lynn during the course that they had to move the team. Lynn had been knocked unconscious and blast was so severe that destroyed his car fifteen fifteen and Lee knocked him out and cowboy woke him up got back on her feet and it had any weapons that they use for the rest of the day so fast for twenty twenty some years later America went back to find a body of the American team leader to North Vietnamese garment worked with them cooperated but they couldn't find a body a few days later. Lynn Black who was working at Boeing at the time got a phone call. The guy identified himself whereas general. I don't know his name will just save a here general too so Jambutu Causes Hi Lyn. Were you there. That day goes yes. I said well I'm the Guy who am boost your team and they talked they exchanged notes for awhile very amicable and near the end lind said hey of we came in. We saw that flight. How many men were we assumed it was three thousand so this is from the NBA General who ambushed team he said no. It was ten thousand dozen men. Will you know you really hurt our team. You killed three of our men willing went home with six and he goes well you an ear s s inflicted ninety percent casualties on our division that day that means nine thousand ten thousand men were either killed old wounded or left missing action from the orders from the Air Force Army Marine Corps and the court the team on the ground could lynn those guys had stacked up the bodies bodies so to talk to further John. Oh by the way who had the radio on me. He goes to general go so you're the guy had to stood up everybody else. In the team went down. There either killed or they went down to the ground fired at my soldiers he goes. Yes he goes. You shot me three times. The worst thing about it was after you shot me three times. I laid underground watching you. Kill more my men and I could do nothing about it so later. We'll talk to me. I interviewed for the book he goes. Yes funding okay. I remember shooting some guys seem spin around shoot him again and but that's one of the stories that has to be very open top ten most amazing stories because God you then got the word right from the guy who ambushed his team that day so I mean I read this story and the fact that these guys I mean over and over hitting barrage after barrage of NBA coming at them and I mean they were throwing everything they could at these guys and at one point you know this team one one of the South Vietnamese soldiers along with black decided that they were taking border fire from three different positions so they'd go after the kind of drew up. It was almost like a playbook in the sand when I read this. I thought of like football game you know the the old let's do it in the drop a play right now you know. Sandlot sandlot football and and so the South Vietnamese I'm GonNa take out position. One you take out three will meet in the middle of two well. The South Vietnamese skype got I think he got taken down right. He was basically pinned down couldn't take out the guys into one black took out three. I think he came up on two and and then what is was a story that came over to one and finally helped the South Vietnamese guy. Get One is well. The first desert yeah crazy I mean black was is like I mean raiding up there. John Wayne had nothing on black. You know I mean he hit but I point been knocked unconscious pants for literally blown off their torn so poor badly and here's using enemy weapons by that point because his destroyed yeah and even even all the way until these these helicopters came pick them up. I mean they're aerobics of these guys that were coming in during that timeframe. I mean that one bird coming in and trying into basically made his own clearing so that he could hover low and no one would even know that he was there and taking shots like crazy by the whole crew while while this team is trying to make it's way out of the jungle black gets approached by three. NBA who basically telling you know you're kind of screwed surrender to hoy term for surrender surrender to NBA as he's approaching helicopter they came out from underneath the helicopter between Lynn and the crane the the metal cable it came down with seat on it and the host and so those to come out. They're young and they say to Hoy and Lyndon Stop. He went right up to him. He grabbed both through. Ak Forty Sevens which were hot from firing so many rounds at the helicopter he burnt his hands but but not one guy out took the gun with the other in a hit the other guy knocked the underground. I presumed they knocked him out to because then he got on a hoist and the Air Force Para rescue man was able to lift him up and Lynn was the last man out of that target then they left and and as the helicopter was lifting B Forty rockets which are anti personnel rockets which you see today as the RPG The rifle propelled grenades. Yes and the helicopter was getting thrust forward. I mean upward because the bottom does before pounding on the bottom of the helicopters lifted lifted off out of that area was harboring and it was severely damaged but it was able to get enough away far enough from the area of operation crash-landed and then another helicopter came and took some new members were Lynn Black and the the cowardly special forces man who was praying all that time they got into another gun shift a Cobra gun shift at that time has special doors on on a side that could carry men personalities Chapman right and that was to way. They got their their rivals back to denying for near. I mean just when you think that you're out of everything and you find the clear then all of a sudden you know the helicopter. You're on it. I mean it couldn't get any worse you realize at that point at this helicopter is not. GonNa make it much further as a pilot. That basically told them you know hey. We're good to go. We're going home but then that that wasn't what happened yeah slater era from taking all these these round everything I mean and when you read these descriptions and stuff the amount of rows that helicopter took it was a wonder that it was still flying even at that at all and so I mean do you think Oh God we're finally out of here. You know we're good to go and then that helicopter crash. You had to think at that appoint okay. I you know I only have so many lives here. I think I just burned up about four of them. You know 'cause I miss. What a crazy story that even in a movie the people would go to it and go. There's no way that is so Hollywood you know now didn't happen absolutely and you know the and Lynn and the survivors that day when they got back to denying mean we'd heard about the jolly green giants and other Jolly Greens. This is what after codename was there were three Sikorsky helicopters and they were heavily armored had been a ordinary helicopter to those deep forties would have not lily not a regular helicopter out of sky but because those h threes were heavily armored particularly on the underside underside they're able to exfiltrated from target area but when he got back today they saw the model of the Para rescue that others may live yeah and that day they lost several air force men including one power rescue co-pilot that died when that one jolly green crashed not to mention the king beat it went down and the other aircraft that was shot up really bad Nara. There is some casualties there and so that was a just a days of credible courage the off the air. I I gunship pilots. I'll put to allies online time and time again and they're in a valley so you had spoke from the ordinance the everything about that mission. She was just incredible and it just amazing that anybody got out of there alive yeah even today. I mean a lot of the guys you know. They hear that motto. Pj Jays are para rescue men from the Air Force so that others may live in. I mean that's that's a creed that goes all the way back deep and has deep roots like deep roots like you're describing here. Oh Yeah and even today these guys I mean. The type of training that they ended up going through is a two year pipeline typically. There's a tremendous amount of training that they they go through in different types of environments and their whole mission here is really to try to help others and save others and it's I mean this is a great story about that but like you said there were so many helicopters aircraft that were lost in this valley trying to take this one team out guys in the story goes that no no one ever did go back there because of its was so heavily fortified but to this day. Is Anybody ever been able to go back and find out. If there is any remains means they're whatsoever there. Isn't that black trip or is that the only trip when Lin Lin was consulting with the government on that he worked on maps and they had somebody body I forget what the agency was then but today. DPA The defense appeal W. M. I. A. Accountability the Counting Agency and there's other renditions of over the last forty forty five years that have been there sole mission is to bring very home and look for and American remains to Southeast Asia but he worked with somebody a caseworker he did not go back on that recovery mission because he had a fulltime job at Boeing at the time but he helped him with the maps pinpointed but they were not able to locate the remains of the team leader. Wow that's that's yeah. Here's a lead for you so the book and you've got in your hand. You know talking about helicopter. Leaving an L Z under duress the ended the story for Operation Tail Wins another SOG classic. Oh definite that Eh yeah because they're on that mission on the last fairly day after they've been on ground for or three days there are entering the fourth with day the day previous day attempted to medevac the wounded and helicopter came in and it got got heavily damaged so was not able to extract any body the following day they came back to try again and the first helicopter up to came in and it left and then the cubby the the fact said you know we got so many enemy soldiers come in we got bad weather coming this missions over so they brought in a second helicopter more gunfire on her second helicopter and they extracted the second second part of that. Hatchet force than the third helicopter comes in there the team leader the medic Mike Rose and the remaining Vietnamese as a helicopter came down there under heavy attack and the there was a south Vietnamese team member KNBR standing right next to the American team leader who was killed during that firefight they all get on a hill copter as a C. H. fifty-three ceased I I in which is bigger than the H. H three it could carry more people. It did have some armour-plating on Aso as this helicopters taking off. It got hammered hurt. RPG's small-arms fire and the one of the door gunners had around that went through his neck cut an artery Mike rose who was the only green beret medic who treated more than seventy seventy five men during during the four day mission jumped up save this guy's life and the guy was going into shock and Mike told him he says if you're GONNA be dead. You would have died ten seconds ago but you're not gonNA die settled down. He put the appropriate bandages on stop. The bleeding kept this young marine alive and as the helicopter was ascending dairy Laos which is extremely mountainous mountainous area so the helicopter pilot pulls out as he's climbing to go over the First Mountain Ridge. One engine goes out this so that that time to see fifty. Three's only two inches today they had three. They climb over the Second Ridge as the going over second rid. The next last engine goes out so now the pilot goes. My engines are out on going to have to auto rotate. Does anybody see a landing zone anywhere. In Laos that I can auto rotate to from the top of this mountain 'cause he's up at around five thousand six thousand thousand feet. Nobody said a word usually just chatter back and forth back somebody will say hey you know to your right to laugh. Look here. He found nothing he was as he was descending down into this valley. He saw a little look like a stream and maybe a beach and he was going to land in order but he knew that some of the wounded or unconscious. She's afraid that he didn't know how deep the water was. So if he landed in order it might make the man susceptible those who were wounded to drowning so he saw it a beach and so they'll try to land on this beach and the helicopter winning auto rotation which is when he enters her out the force of the helicopter descending the pilots are are trained to use their propellers. If the working in this case they were so the weight and the wind passing through them allowed a helicopter descend the Senate as opposed to just falling out in the sky and everybody dying he came in and crash landed on the beach which had an angle the crass was so severe severe that the team leader captain then Captain Gene McCarthy teeth were crushed and he was a projected from the hill coauthor as with Mike Rose and several other team members but they all lived and they're able to get distracted and one of my the favorite socks tourists from that was a at that area there was sand and and nobody knew that there was a sand lay-offs let alone water and when Gene McCarthy regained consciousness. He looked out now. Here's a guy that have been in the last in gym jungle for four days. US three nights and four days and he looks up hears this water and looks like a beach with sand and standing in a water is one of his sergeant largest standard with a car fifteen but the big shitty grin on his face in the middle of lay offs so they survived that Mike rose for that day for courage and for saving so many lives received the medal of honor for President Trump October twenty third word two thousand seventeen at the White House often admission it took a little while yeah no lie and I mean that's the kind of the sad part is there must must be hundreds of these types of stories and this is one of the things that stood out to me was when i read this piece that you just described and I think you know to kind of get the full context context of it. I'll read a little bit of it. At the twenty three thousand six hundred twenty eight pound a helicopter violently bilingually landed on the angled slope hitting the slope surface and instantly slamming into the right into the ground ejecting several of the Green Brazen there mon- montaguard tribesmen team members while the six rotor shattered upon impact with the ground becoming commanding officer Captain Gene McCarthy was slammed into the roof of the helicopter before being ejected from it quote. I remember hitting the roof of the helicopter. I remember hitting so hard. I felt my teeth crumbled into San McCartney said forty five years later I mean that just sounds painful in of itself. You know what I mean. I mean Oh yeah at took him over two years of corrective surgery to gets his teeth repair yet wrote. Oh my God and Rosset when you pancake in like we did on a helicopter and when it hits violently upside down. Everybody had their Bell Rung. Trust me we're all hurting gene was bleeding from the mouth but he could move. I remember we're getting thrown out in the blades upside down. I was blurry. I'd still not getting all my senses back for a moment. I thought the chopper was coming toward me. McCartney said Mike was standing beside me. I was wiping the blood of my crush t from my mouth then Mike said we've got people in there. We have to get them out. Smell the nation fuel. There was blood everywhere. There was hydraulic Alec Fluids. The helicopter was broken by the severity of the crash and it was smoking how it didn't explode. I'll never know how that young bring pilot landed albeit a hard leaning on never know Dan McCarthy McCarthy had one of those unique inexplicable inexplicable moments in wartime and the middle of all the rubble the smoke the the day's confusion at the crash site he looked to his right and observe. I starting Morris they dare standing in water with a smile on his face holding his car fifteen talk about a moment that would come right out of Hollywood once again. I mean again you couldn't you couldn't make that kind of story up. That's just too crazy crazy but again this is one of those missions as I understand it later on was not reported necessarily the way it should have been out to the public as to. Oh God no tell us about twenty eight years later in June of Ninety Eight what we reflexively referred to as the Communist News Network and CNN magazine. Yes Sir yes they did a story and a sensationalized and and falsified the entire mission to report it on CNN there at the time CNN was trying to chows CBS in sixty minutes with their news magazine format and so two story that they they present it to the public was that Operation Tailwind was his mission was code named Operation Tailwind was a mission where it was designed to go in for for the Green Berets to find American dissidence men who had left the front running from the war to go in and to kill them and that was mission as well as wounding and killing innocent women and children and then on top of that that hitting them with sharing guests which was an illegal gas and so that was the story and they presented that on the open air and it was refuted instantly and of course there was many different levels but the key point was was that at the time of that mission of that type of gas was at three locations Okinawa the United States and and Alaska I believe but nowhere in Southeast Asia and the story was refuted it was pulled back and eventually Ted Turner Percent Letter of apology to gene McCarthy and there was court actions and it was never fully reported as well as it should have been but again because of the Penny Court actions a lot of papers automatically rallied around Time magazine and CNN and so that's why we as part of the book I wanted to have the follow up on it just to talk about some settlements but all settlements recealed field we don't want to know what they were but it was just a shameful another shameful example of of the CNN reporting forty something Iran ously completely arose a bait up health facts you think about today and how that is you know with the Internet and social media in the craze. I mean AH information goes out. It goes up by via twitter some other mess method via social media and once it's out there. It's hard to take get back or the story ends up taking a life of its own and then it maybe half truth because they wanted to put the information out there as quickly as possible and even and if they say that this was incorrect or whatever few people actually hear that part of it two weeks ago I got a phone call from a young man who worked on some kind of a knucklehead news network. He called it a new something but obviously is online and he goes high says I saw Saudi. You've done a story on Cyprus and tell us I got the real story. I wanted to do more follow up on that I said well what's the real story and he he we went line by line with what CNN and Time magazine printed thirty one years ago thinking that I'm twenty one years ago in one thousand nine ninety that that was the accurate story and we got into a little bit and then I said here's the book. Here's the accurate story. There's there's a here's the court case. Go look for yourself but by the way if you print that story there are going to be some men. Come knock on your door. GotTa be real unhappy because this is not accurate. That's part of the challenge right is that people are doing due diligence yeah and so I mean I think I wanna get to spend a little bit of time talking about outwith for every green beret what is it. There's eight people back behind him. That's basically helping support. what you guys are doing something of that nature something that nature during the war the common thought. I must have troops was for every combat soldiers test support troops. Gotcha so when the PK war we had five hundred and forty-three thousand Americans in South Vietnam nine out ten of those were supply doing support transport things like that whereas the the other were combat unions. There was a guy that you you called out within the book that you recognize by the name of been Baker and here was a guy that doc is back in the rear basically supplying you guys which just about anything you want it you know so. I thought it was really cool that you took the time the highlight him and some of the work that he did obviously he was recognized and I think he became an honorary green. Beret but it was really cool that you call that out and some of the work that he he did because you think about it you know if you guys needed the regular supplies or whatever you'd have to go through the channels all the bureaucracy and everything else but having somebody like this on your side was really nice yeah everything from jungle boots and early very early parts of the war. I mean I talk about the early parts early sixties way before I'm still in high school way before were involved at least my level they needed indigenous rations well. He put together a package. The only would have food that would be appreciated by the indigenous people in Southeast Asia but he also also spike the rations with vitamins and things that would be helpful to their personal health way way ahead of his time time and everything we had experimental weapons that he was sent to us to try them out and and even you know fatigues initially sleet had tiger stripes at different sizes different thickness materials and sixty majority of the tiger stripe. Try through either too thick for us to wear because when it got wet in the jungle will take too long to dry you get the jungle rot order a too thin and they would would tear on lines so we had to we just wore traditional teas but again ben was demand behind the scenes on all that and he helped get the car fifteen fifteen directed to saw so we had the best weapon the US has in its arsenal at the time Man Jungle Bucci brought up members there. I absolutely love my jungle boots. You know that was that was my boot of choice. If I had one obviously if he had to stay in particular formation of which they wanted all the boots match you had to go back with a regular old standard boop but every opportunity I had I wore jungle boots and actually the first pair that I wore was passed down from my father from Vietnam but now and they were still a fairly good pair of boots city had I don't know if you've got him on his last leg or whatever the case was you know there at the very end because they they were still in pretty good shape but that's exactly the pair of boots that I wore and ban those. Those things were just awesome. I don't know how you felt about him and that I will say this that Damn Shank shake inside a Gabi frostbite a minor case of frostbite because it got too damn cold one time in Germany. That was a dumb ass wearing them out in the snow. Oh so you were socks. Thanks for your we never wore socks and so did you know lie is that right as my next question was so bob. Did you wear yes in Germany. That's not a choice that's mandatory auditory and yes like the cold but in our case the reason why the plate was in there was because we had men that suffered severe injuries from punchy pits they would have the NBA both just be mostly in country but for traditional eighteens they'd be on a trap pass and trails whether the via Kong would go out and they will get bamboos sharp it like knives and then they would dip the ends in animal feces so that they put him in the whole had this have the spikes facing up so when somebody stepped into that whole the the pongy stick would go through to boot penetrated ordinary booed and then penetrate the foot and instantly started severe infection and and then worked on getting those jungle boots so had the steel plates so that if you went into pongy pit at least you wouldn't have a go through to Seoul. Oh you're booth oh so he was the one that came up with that. He worked on whether he's a sole developer. Idol no early on he had talked about it and and later they had a a a jungle boot that had instead of the foot instead of the traditional jungle boots. It had a size of a small foot so that looked like small feet walking on a trail get out as far as the sole on a soul to boot he had he he had definitely been involved in that the idea being oh. Maybe you guys want to get on the trail if you do you're wearing these jungle boots if an NBA comes along the sea little footprints and it's not an American has some odd way ahead of his time. This guy was really thinking out of the box in. I'm I'm sorry I was curious. What was your typical load. What was it I know you're radio man so you get a PR Sihanouk pack most of the time always have you missed I carried it and and had so had appeared see twenty-five radio one battery for it and then correct I forget what is actually I should go back. Look at the at the first couple of missions I was carried six hundred plus rows with a car fifteen. We had assault offense seventy nine. It always carry twelve to thirteen rows for it than we had ten or eleven grenades hand-grenades for combat and smoke grenades and then a rain jacket a very small plastic thin rain jacket that would cover your back with with a hood and I would cut off at the waist. That's all and then a sweater for nights. CA- sometimes we get really chilly in the jungle at night and a knife morphine cigarettes of course the compass and other things you need in the John was the sweater and and we always Cardi gas well sorry carried a gas bass because Intel told us how the NBA had used gas on teams in Laos that just added to the way of course that was a necessity of course yeah. Geez just added. I was going to ask you about the the magazines and everything as I understand it. These are twenty round magazines and I think you had mentioned about you. Know I remember back in the day. You couldn't fit twenty rounds within their because of the spring you can only and if you've got a BA brand new magazine stopped thing was the worst trying to to shove enough around inside of it right so we always put traditionally eighteen rounds because this spring you you didn't want to have to compacted fearing that it would cause a jam because with the car fifteen it could fire twenty rounds in the second half and with that kind of firepower firefox you had to have maximum efficiency for the magazine pushing around it's up so that the housing would trigger get the round into the chamber fire and then reject all within the second half so that's approximately if my math is right around thirty three clips that you had because you have to during sixty six hundred rounds. I mean holy cow. That's that's how how did you keep is this back. In the day I remember we used to cut a little bit of one hundred on our tape rape and spin it around the the actual mag so it wouldn't bang another one what did you what did you guys into doing so it ended up being up against each other in nearly days we had a World War Two A. B. A. R. Harness and the hardest hardest worked out perfect ammo pouches on them and it had a shoulder patches which had a panning underneath them and you get five live car fifteen magazines and each pallets so each pouch would be packed. We'd have four magazines face down with the tape up and then one on top and then you close the lid on the pouch and then we then in between we put an additional leather other canteen holder pack six or six more magazines than that and then have a few more magazine backpack and the inner rucksack. What about C. Rats. How many do you guys do you get a take. One two of those or I would like to take one can of fruit either either a peach or apricots and then we had for our rations the Americans used the dehydrated rations and where we had a beef stew chicken stew chicken rice chilly chilly carney and it would be all dehydrated and we'd be in a plastic pouch and they will give you some cigarettes spoon salt pepper and what we do you as you would take it out on the team took a break to eat we rotate who would he and then we put watering it. Wrap it up and put at the next to your body for an hour or so and the body he would warm up the rashes to your body he level and then you can eat your rations from there and and we had the Vietnamese indigenous rations which would be rice and they had variations of fish shrimp beef and Sunday America's preferred to use those. I was curious because you know during the Cold War period. We'd just take the the you became a C. Rat connoisseur. You're back in the day you know so if you had a little bit Tabasco sauce you could maybe strike it up a little bit but typically you take the can crack open or something put it in the box and catch it on fire so so that way you know. I it would eat the food and of course wouldn't do that in a combat situation clearly right but I knew a lot of guys it's funny you mentioned the fruit of course you know that makes you to poop and everything and I remember we had lt that kept taking the peanut butter and chocolate away from people out of their C Razzie. It'd be like hey man. I'll take your peanut butter. We kept telling him Sir Sir. You keep you keep eating that crap man. We're going back Yadda here. You'RE GONNA get plugged up. What didn't trust us so it went on for about two weeks three weeks next thing. I know it's about about four. Am and I hear a shop you know of course you can hear a sixty coming in all so year the WOP WOP and the breaking of the win and walk outside and start looking around like what the hell is going on in Church Shit. Here's this lt on a stretcher being carried out Medevac helicopter when I asked when I asked one of the guys that like where's he going when he's like. Oh man he's all plugged up. Guy was like doubled over in pain and the whole bit so yeah. Stay way back in the day. You'd stay away from that peanut butter the chocolate backlit but you you could do some really interesting things at the C. Rats and that's why I was curious to see mega multiple meals out of one. If you're really good about it back back at base we did that and are digits. Troops would take a gauge. That did some very creative thing. So of course the other problem see rats in a jungle allowed allowed so the fruit thing was like you only open when you're really worse secure where you were. You had to be careful. They make too much noise with the Metal Kempner yeah when you think about that too that no one thought of a meal what you guys obviously did with your you know you're dried and everything but I mean the the C. Rats just didn't make much sense because they're like. You said they're in a can so you yeah you're having to use was a thirty eight can opener to try to go to try to open that thing up which could be noisy. 'cause this metal on metal now and yeah yeah. It didn't make Guinea sense not to mention you. Start leaving laying around if you don't dispose of it properly by burying it or whatever then it's going to be real easy for people to figure out you know that you have apricots. cots were peaches or something of that nature. Some of that juice gets around. They're gonNA know right away. Some Americans around in this area indeed well well. What was what was some of the things you know since then that you know the information is starting to flow out people are really starting to hear about a lot more obviously with folks like yourself coming forward and sharing their stories. But what else would you like to be able to share with people about your specific you know. SOG RECON in that era of the Vietnam War and the men that fought within that well you know it's on a very personal level to this day. I judge anybody me against the men I served with in song and it's very tough comparison. I saw fair to people from today. Because of the men I served with so highly respected and with special forces particularly young green embrace like US could go in and we could talk to older more experienced parades they would talk to to none of this rank hierarchy archy. The most important thing was the mission to do the best you could learn how to strive to go forward and regardless of what happens. I mean sixty eight. We had shoveled teams wiped out before we ever got underground including my team fight. He might know and you had to you. Put that way mentally to go forward with emission the learned from anybody else's mistakes or what happened so when you're on the ground you would have a better advantage against the enemy or try to learn any tactic or strategy that would helps make life better or increase your survivability and layoffs because we knew we ran the targets once you're on the ground. It's not like you you pick up the phone dial over operators operator gyco has Phantom Jets Sky Raiders Twenty five th and Inara days when we go three or four hours in enemy contact without any support and there was no conventional forces no Marine Corps that could come no artillery. We're out of range for that kind of support so it was just US air assets which of course we had the best in the world but they're still at time so today instead a look back on it with great pride and amend that I served with Sally are dying off because of Agent Orange and It's just like several men that died in the last couple years they were killed in Vietnam. They just didn't realize it and they've died recently yeah way before their time because of Agent Orange which said and there's another legacy to that today we still have one thousand five hundred and eighty seven having Americans missing in action in Southeast Asia from the Vietnam War includes Thailand Laos Cambodia Vietnam both North and South and there's a few of them China airmen that got shot down to win across the border and our big concern is in Southeast Asia the soils various a city the most acidic in the world and we have a legal system NASA the League appeal w. m. i. families which is fought our government tried to work with the government to have attention on this mission and trying to bring home as many other remains identify fi locate and return and to bring fool counting as many as possible from the Vietnam War and that's still going on Laos alone gives the secret war we have fifty green berets today still missing an accident only on Laos plus one hundred twenty airmen who died supporting us on the ground and they're still listed as missing in action and like personal very wish. I was somebody like Ross Perot or Dr Eiser somebody with Boo Koo Bucks to be able to go back to find locate identify and bring home those Americans because it's just very painful at a very simple at a personal level such as sti now disappeared may of sixty eight s fifty one a couple months later they're still out there and their families never heard nor knew the truth about where they died so for example. If I'm killed in Viana in Laos I would have been told your son died in south Vietnam combat well. No I died. Lass is there's some of that information now coming forward where these families are hearing the truth about where their loved one was actually killed is now yes fifty years later. Thanks thanks to some of the books and then the we have a an association Special Operations Associations and one of the committees that the association had been up and running for about seven eight years. We reach out any siblings of any of our K. I. M. Nyse men who were killed in action and they can't afford we bring them to the reunion so this year we had the family of Buddha. The pain was a jovial African American soul who came into operation trained up Iran a couple missions and then in December chamber. He was a strong he was attached to a team as a strap hanger and they got it too heavy enemy contact and they couldn't get the boot out and they were able to finally get as remains. I think it was twenty five thirty years after after he disappeared but his tally never knew much about Buddha where he actually served who we served with and his son and I think he has two daughters are gonna be coming to our reunion this month October in Vegas from the Twenty Fourth Twenty first to twenty fourth and they'll be one of founders air for the first time where they'll meet men like me me who played poker with his dad. Tell him what a great guy. US Wow days that he may have never heard that's that's amazing that you guys are doing saying that and reaching out to them otherwise like you said they'd have to find out by researching themselves. They may not think to do that because they were told something. That's the only thing that they know so if you guys weren't reaching out they may get kind of lost in the whole thing but I think also recently I watched some kind of show and it was about out children who are from POW M I a that have gotten together and they're starting to help their secondary secondary post traumatic stress from this dealing with you know losing apparent in Vietnam and they have formed combat formed kind of a bond where they're sharing stories of what they remember his kids of their parents or something of that nature to kind of help them to this whole thing. I I'm not sure if this family that you just described is the same aim one but it's very similar to the one of the stories of the family that came forward that was sharing why they became a part of that organization to help one another another and I think even carries on into today's war of how they're doing that of course we have gold star families all over that many people know about it kind of is related to that but in a different way way. It's an extension while that's I. I hadn't heard that that's amazing yeah well. What you guys are doing is amazing as well and I tend to wonder too you hear some of these rumors out there and I'd love to get your thoughts on it in terms of Do we believe that there was any maybe not not from the soccer community but then again maybe so. I just love to get your thoughts on. Do you think there was any of these missions where perhaps there could have been guys who escaped escaped who are missing in action that actually tried to survive and may have survived through the Vietnam War I think so but but I can't imagine I mean the NDA when he came into contact with us. They knew that we were a different level. Fighter wider and majority cases they would just kill us because they felt that they knew they could not brainwash our people into breath coming around through a way of thinking and so does that answer your question yeah yeah it. Does I mean. I think that I had heard people who came back. That obviously were older than me that I had used to that. I used to talk to some of them. Were wondering that very same thing saying they were saying you know I sometimes. I wonder if there were some guys that went. MIA and they're basically you know hiding out in hell may even stayed there and tried to to blend in after the war or something of that nature but you know you're kind of holding onto something that was more of a hope and dream but the reality is probably more what you're describing that it it was. It was something that if they were found there is less likelihood that they survived and uh in our case. There's so many different stories if you read the book on Common Valor the author Steve Moore wrapped that book around award citations he researched over a period of time with his uncle Wilson George Hon who ran recon out of Khantun CCC for a year here and when you read those citations histories any of the people that were alive five. I'm sure we're summarily executed. I don't think any ended Assad guys within the are taken up. POW's because even some of the camps were men would be knocked unconscious they they did not the betrayal escape and there's only a few cases like Nick Rowe. He was captured Richard for five years before we finally was able to escape and just became one of our instant special forces legends. She's now this makes it much more challenging Dan because I mean even if you have the grid coordinates where let's say the Idaho was if they were taken captive drag back to a different location whatever for now you've really got to expand your parameter. You've gotta then think about okay. Were they taken back. Maybe even hundreds of miles back into the rear and it makes it harder to pinpoint without stories without written documents could be found within the government or something that would help pinpoint. Perhaps the location of where those remains might be yeah and here's a here's your further alma the compound the problem. The jungle grows so over fifty years. If if I were to go back to a target say were echo four powerful Montopoli a little hill that we're fighting on for four hours before he got distracted south. There would be at least six inches. Maybe a foot of more of new vegetation taste. That's grown on top of that soil answer today. The major concern is that within the next five ten years the acidic soil Southeast Asia Asia will literally destroy any evidence including bones and teeth of our men that are in the ground that are there and you're the right way you explain that it makes it more difficult because local villagers would perhaps take the take anything from the body the year that they wanted sometimes they would move them some. NBA troops took the time to bury our soldiers others. Maybe not or some would just get them thrown off a cliff. So who knows where so I doubt I like to think that we could bring home every one thousand five five hundred eighty seven but in reality just not going to happen and our government the budget for DP. This year is one hundred thirty million dollars and smother issues with is not won't go into here but we still have a lot of work to be done and the men and women who are in the field today today is that those people are amazing. They make you proud. They are so dedicated mission. They spend hours weeks in time of their lives on that mission. Those who there there we admired him. There are heroes because they go back and work hard to try to bring back act a fine identify and return are missing but bureaucracies that asks for some issues in priorities are but the people in the the field Southeast Asia. We salute them every day. Pray for their wellbeing hope that they wanted to see there. I don't know if he ever saw the show that new television show this is but but recently they the show has always been carried on where their father had fought in Vietnam and but there was a necklace that one of his sons he was given from his father later in life and so he had heard a story from somebody who survived Vietnam with them and he wanted to go back to Vietnam to understand more about that that necklace in that piece and everything and I think for me it started highlighting much of what you're talking about you go back to those villages villages and so the people that may have been in their thirties now in their eighties if they were in their forties and found potentially the remains of a American you know they are now in their nineties or they're. They're no longer there so hopefully that story was passed onto a next generation. Hopefully you can find that individual or those family members that are still surviving there. That may have not moved you know they. It's not like here in America where they they move often they pretty much. Those families have remained in those places for hundreds of years so if you had the capability to communicate to get those stories to find out that information I guess what I'm just describing here is the complexity that goes behind this that takes not just a lot of money it takes a hell of a lot of cooperation takes records and information and that may have to come from a top secret a confidential on the Vietnam side could be open which means that the the bureaucracy that's gonna come into play both countries playing a role one not trying to be bigger than the other because then you're talking about two different entities here so many things come into play but what you're what we have going against assume that you're describing as a ticking clock. You've got about five years what we do but but also to do the one little bit of good news. Our government hasn't caught up to this yet but thanks to the eight hundred pound gorilla to the north we have on precedent cooperation from Vietnam government layoffs and even Cambodia on these efforts down in fact Dave given approval for more missions that this time our governments appear to put it into the field and this cooperation has really increased immensely Asli and just as a little sidebar to what you're saying turns other elements for ever since the war and after the war there have been people out there who are impostors criminals bandits who pretend to have information song information and the people that are actually on the ground we have. DIA The Intelligence Agency they've done incredible work behind behind the scenes there saw them given the accolades that they are do but they've earned but they're men speak the language they know the culture. They're in the countries for long tours of duty and they really care about the mission and they're in my mind. The Best American asset we have there on underground Southeast Asia and every day try but they have to sort through the phonies the liars that people are just trying to get money news. Even a couple of clowns is a comeback and say there's been this guy has resurfaced three times in the last ten years saying I'm John Robertson. I was a green beret disappeared in Laos in Nineteen Sixty Steve. My helicopter got shot down. I can't speak English anymore. I speak Vietnamese. Go live with the Vietnamese so long guy. He tried to force themself off well. There are people bleed the story and is young reporters out there who are so ignorant of the war who've never take the time to really research nor do to call the National League appeal W. M. I. Families to get an honest answer. They just go forward you stupid story then make it as though it has credibility or credence a dozen. That's so sad but you know that kind of stolen. Valor happens all over the place when it comes to that that's that's like taking it to a whole new level. Well you know because in Libya yet because you now family members are thinking. Oh my God my my grandfather or my father might still be alive. There's something really early and and then it ends up leading down a bad road here I mean if that happens two or three times before too long. You just don't have a lot of faith that anything will ever come of it. What what people do as far as US listening to this. What kind of action would you ask of people that they can take to help this time line in order for for this to move forward and we find perhaps more remains well. The the first thing is the National League Appeal M. I. Family. We support them in any way they always have letter writing campaigns to local representatives and senators say please continue the the defense peel. WMA counting AIDS then their efforts to move forward and to keep the emphasis on the Vietnam War are missing in action and that is the most important because they have the accurate information there's one lady who's the CEO Chairman of the Board and Mills Griffeth. Her family's been involved mission for over fifty years at her brother. was shot down down as a navy pilot in September of sixty six and they finally recovered his remains next year and he was formally buried at the Arlington in June this year and but that that Lee works works with DP A and they try to get as much information as they ran and two league always needs support both from volunteers here's donations because they have activities meetings. They've have annual meetings where they bring families together and bring a garbage in to have updates talk about what the issues are. Today is sad because there's so many other things that come into play where people see something like the Vietnam more this so far removed now like I said you're now talking about grandparents or great grandparents that they don't understand. Maybe even what you're describing here yeah yeah that was back then hey five years. We're probably never gonNA find him so it's just you know they. They're not going to get engaged not to mention you. Don't see as many. POW My flags flying around nowadays. You don't see people correct yeah. It's it's pretty much dwindle away. Everybody's pretty much decided that you know I'm living in my bubble. I don't WANNA get involved. That's way over there. This is this is is an opportunity. I think really in a call to action for all of us to come forward in some way to say hey listen. I WANNA play some role here. Even if it's a few dollars or something of that a case that can then help support this mission of what these guys are doing or certainly putting pressure on maybe some of these guys that are getting elected or potential elections wins or the current government system to say. Hey listen what else can be done right now. Can we have a further dialogue about what can be done. In order to move moved into a faster mode. Time is time is of the essence here right in the league is always ready and willing to have people that are serious about helping and to to continue to put pressure on government to move forward effort one of our RECON men ran a target is a bright light and it was in Cambodia Odia and there was a a f four Phantom jets that went down his recon team went in and the jet when it crashed and hit a hilltop a second hilltop and it crashed at a third hilltop long story short the NBA came out when recon team got to the Second Hill. They had to get extracted in order survive. They could not get too down aircraft twenty five years later the team gene leader who was a successful radiologist spent seventy thousand dollars of his own money to go back to look for that downed aircraft he was so oh personally touched by mission he went back to Cambodia hired people to go into the jungle they got to the site and when he got there armed armed uniform bandits came up to them and threaten them and force them to leave two years ago. Jim Short and went back with DP a went to the site and EPA was focusing on either the first or the second hill he told them jet crashed on the Third Hill so just having him there he's able to specifically get them to the crash site and then additionally on a second hill when a genetic crap going through a small village which nobody knew about because you couldn't see it from the air an killed over one hundred soldiers when it crashed and Jim was able to point that out and the North Vietnamese garments happy because they they found bodies that they didn't know about they were able to recover more of their children action at that site so this is one man Jim Shorten. He's one of our legends. He was a in the navy he ran Mrs with SOG for a year then he became a para rescue Humana and reserve for several years thereafter. That's one of our great little heroes. That quietly went about the mission there so they didn't encounter. I guess any have the the gang members or anything that the that he previously on this one here they govern cooperation. GPA was there and on BDP DA mission. They always take a long a green beret medic and there's some other. They always have security with them. I'm not sure what how far or or how many people but they do have security to protect those people there really are here those young people out there today on DP in this out there just great. They're so dedicated to the mission. They work day tonight and they really go added. Go at it hard curious. Do you ever get asked to go back to Fort Bragg to the JFK S- goal to as a Greybeard till to listen in on some of the changes not quite that way. Hey okay they over. I live on the left coast. Yeah Brag on the East Coast so we have we have have a it costs a lot of money to travel budget still tight but they have robin. Sage is the final phase of training for arrays. It's when they all come together and so they had the graduation so someday. I've had a standing invitation to go down there for the graduation to attend just to be there there you know and really we be today's young green berets. They're just amazing people. They're they're training is is harder Taylor. What when when we went through and makes you proud to see the young men who are who are wearing a funny looking hat that keeps neither rain nor to sun out of your eyes but they're just amazing man. So what do you say then when you hear the discussion about how the training exchange. Don't you think you know guys like us. We've been around for a period of time. It's always based on the mission. There's always going to be based on the needs and the demand and everything so at that because of that the training changes all the time absolutely absolutely and it has to train change. I'm sorry and one of the things we're dealing with. Now is a special forces getting back into training on conventional events warfare and you know with this eighteen year award. We've been involved here. Afghanistan Iraq a lot of that has changed some of that but there are today over eighty countries where there are other green beret teams teams that working with indigenous people to help them improve their life and help them to remain free from oppression yeah and and that's one of the things that I think a lot of people forget about when they they read or hear about the special forces as they think of them as more of the knuckle dragging door kickers but although they do that they're still a lot of this in the mission that you're describing here that was the original the original mission in an objective and stuff for special forces sources and I've heard to recently that the navy seals are going to start getting back to their core which never was meant to be really the the knuckle dragging door kicking type type of thing they of course they all are trained in that type of warfare but it was a little bit different. They didn't really make that shift until the two thousands because everybody's shaking the same dollar absolutely even got the Marine Corps does backups now Marsov. Don't forget with special forces you have the medics are the best in the world and that training for you're going to be Greenbury Maga's copy over two years of training plus language. Our people are trained in language in addition and and they're also take the time to learn about their area of operations so even in our case he went to Vietnam. We're told about customers do this don't do that and how they get along with. The local people and really special forces armed teachers to the highest degree because because our preference would be to go in and train people to to take care of themselves to defend themselves and in the early days when our people went to Southeast Asia there would do something as fundamental working with demonte or say Mr Monti Yard when you live the village put your urine and your feces potties South Your village away for an award not above the water supply so you infect your water something as fundamental as that all the way through the training them how to how to fight defend themselves how to use modern day weapons. I mean weren't you one of the original tenth group. Gosh okay. I thought you were I spent time at Deborah's his by wasn't original the original went over they reformed and fifty to work for one Richard Simonian who's eighty seven years old and he's just fit as a fiddle for an eighty. He's the best most fit eighty seven year old I've ever seen he went over with the originals and when they win they took a ship over to Germany took a bus and then a marched into bad told this is nineteen fifty three and the Cold War was heating up and and there's recently a book called debt a which talked about that aspect of that secret war where our men were going across the fence into into East Germany and elsewhere on the effort to combat that communism which was as you know how he was during the Cold War there and you're yeah yeah. I served with the eleventh. ACRI I don't know if you're familiar with them. The Armored Cavalry Regiment that base your guard of the border there at a folder and so I spent a couple years there and in you know a lot of people that were in the Cold War era. Don't remember just or may not have I've ever seen that type of thing. Some got shipped out went over to fold got a chance to see you know the fence or something of that nature but when you really think about the oppression that those people we're under it really started putting things the light and that's much later than what Vietnam and those types of things. I don't Think Society Day really understands. It's socialism communism as a matter of fact my daughter's. You know I've talked with him about it. They have no clue. It's not taught today school you know in Florida when I was growing up we had to take the American versus communism as is credit requirement nor even graduate high school in sure and today. It's not even discussed you know so I mean it's it's kind of sad because we're doomed to repeat history. If we don't understand it won't even worse too. I mean with the young people coming out of college rush. They who don't know the true history of Stalin Mayo Ho Chairman and Fidel Castro what they've done to their own people and they always forget that the leaders of communism and socialism they eat and live well but the rest of the population will not as Thal killed old millions of his own people as did male name didn't care I mean at our country. Everybody we try to help all people in our country and even though not perfect still better anything else in the rest of the world yeah and sometimes people don't understand that and if they've never left these these waters you know what I mean if they haven't left this earth year at this America and they haven't experienced you know second third world. They're not going to understand what you're describing there there. They always think there's something better so again. I think hopefully people will listen to this and certainly a lot of the military if they haven't studied or understand a lot of Vietnam Bob in that war in which you fought in specifically those sog units and those guys you serve within yourself. I have the utmost respect for what you guys did. that's it was to be in the Vietnam War especially as infantrymen guy on the ground that was difficult in of itself but what you guys did and special forces takes two in the the level and then of course saw takes like that's. I can't even measure where that's at well. The numbers are quick. We're getting we've been on the air for a couple of minutes here but during the Vietnam War three point two million Americans served in the war. Thank lose five hundred thousand sailors that were stationed in their ships off off the land off at harbours and out of that twenty thousand plus. We're Green Berets that served the Vietnam out of twenty thousand approximately two thousand served in song out of the two thousand depending on which author but between between five hundred to eight hundred men Asti ran recon across the fence into Cambodia Laos North Vietnam John. I mean what a legend that is. I mean that's a story. That actually needs to get hurt a lot more. I love the fact that you came on. You took the time out to join us on the podcasts because I think it's these kind of stories. I'm blown away by them. I hope you'll be at least consider coming back on sharing some of the other ones. You got a bunch of different stories. I'd love the dive into so I thank you for even caring about our history and if you have guessed castles it gets sick can't make give me a call Phil. This is something that loved the dive into like I told you we talked before. This is a period of time that I have the utmost respect. I was a child I turn seventeen and seventy nine so you can kind of do the math from there yeah and so of course the Vietnam War I grew grew up with it as a teenager knew about it an early preteen and stuff as well. My father was involved in it in the Navy you know and so we were in Japan Japan during that timeframe during the Vietnam War so he's flying a lot of stuff out of there he was on a the aircraft now no he was on the the rescue ships that landed in the water and I don't know why I can't think of the name of those things but any rate they would go in and save pilots and stuff that were down in the water or ships or something like that that got hit and he did a lot of missions flying over land and stuff doing some rescue missions in a lot of the crewmen that he served with. I actually found a lot of his old unit during Vietnam and yearbooks and stuff online and I reached out to him it was talking to him about about how my father died of cancer and when I was talking to this gentleman he goes well. You'd be you shouldn't be surprised because actually probably ninety ninety percent of the guys who serve along with your father died of cancer as well typically throat cancer lung cancer or something of that nature in it's tied right-back to Agent Orange just like you had mentioned and because they flew right through it you know they would and it would just be a cloud you know now and they knew it at the timeframe but they didn't think much of it sure yeah nobody ever thought about the ultimate ramifications seaplanes Jeez. I don't know why couldn't have the thought of that but he was a crew chief seaplanes. There's so many stories you talk to family members of lost her dad add to to these different forms of cancers and this just makes you sick to your stomach yeah and nobody ever thought about this in the long term that's for sure yeah and considering like you said early on that a little bit of that work eaten at that individual away through and they had no idea that it came from that period of time. It's really sad because you know these guys is living good long lives and stuff and that's the thing that ends up taking them yeah so well again. Thank you so much John for coming on the show and you know I'll be reaching out to you again. We'll have to do a different episode on one of these other stories and we'll take it down the rabbit hole well. I'll be happy do it again. I thank you for for you and your program. They're even carrying about our history and for sharing it with your listenership. I appreciate it and like a bad dream. I'm happy to come back. Hopefully it would be a good dream. We'll keep up. The good works there until next time. We'll talk soon.
89 - SAM BASHOR and DJ WOOLDRIDGE join us!
"They lost I just feel you like going to get hit by a car. The amount of pain I would experience wouldn't be over quickly and it would last a long time and ended up being machine entire family would decide all around me whether or not to let me the humane hooked up w appropriate Renna go basically any other way or spend the rest of my life with hiccups and also I got the stew on the stove nine seven minutes and I'm sitting here right Aggie. Ah It is it really only seven minutes long. Oh it well who did that. One those goes from Matt. Donald's Donald Mold Matt Don. I don't know where any of those it's from episode of your show. Did we kid oh. That's why you were not in 'cause I don't Watch Valley Allie folk and I was in the hospital for a month with my wife so I wasn't there for that. This user says if this is not the opening music for episode eighty eighty four of the valley cast. I will be shocked who cares if it's four times as long as normal. It's art dammit yeah. If if you could T- tweet at me I would love to collaborate on yeah. those car crashes yeah welcome to the valley cast. What an interesting episode to special guests. We have special the guests. Dj and Sam only stupid answers. It's US yeah what's up my kids. Were you know we just got back from fantastic did just get back just stepped doc the plane right into this room. We need to talk about our AIRBNB adventure do every year there is something new airbnb venture and we've consumer airbnb adventures in Austin together for fantastic fest but this one was quite interesting. Yeah it really kind of kept us up every single literally every single single now airbnb adventures aired after Chippendales Rescue Rangers School in the ninety s and it was about bees a lot longer than you think what eight season well there. was that season where they completely switched the language wasn't English anymore and that was pretty interesting that was a mandate it was considered ended a bold move but now looking back in hindsight a creative one that paid off in the end agreed agreed so guys welcome. This is your first first time well Sam. You've been on the valley cast before. Dj this is your first one. Yeah yeah welcome We'll have to get you on without this goofball. Sometimes we could get away I just did you just crap your pants Yep. You're doing all right man. That's taking a frog outside our AIRBNB that made the same journey I watched you do like the seven stages of regret while letting it out. I had to be careful. That's why it wasn't they come out as yourself segment quick back story if you're new to our existence and you weren't here in our previous lives we worked with Sam and DJ at source bed way back in the day. We're couple of old folks couple all of historical we got some history on our belts worked on some cool off our bill right with teaching too many keys many keys one of those ones you can stretch out sneaking up on anybody absolutely not but yes so salmon. Dj You guys have a podcast. MHM has three years. We've been doing only stupid answers yeah. It's a one stop shop for war KNICKKNACKS PATTY WAX movies. TV show comic book the Game News that kind of stuff and you got down way to go. That's good. We've been practicing yeah. We we've been doing that. We do movie reviews on Youtube. You can find might be awesome and a bunch of other stuff. We usually just talk about the the nerdy shit nothing important. I love you guys recorded some stuff while you were in Austin. Yeah we did reviews for all the movies able to see good and bad good and also also very special episode gun control Did you know that was fun. I would love up to at some point podcast. I don't want to deep dive into some of your thoughts on the movies but just get like some quick quips about some of the stuff that you saw we should at at least tell people what fantastic fest is for those of you that have not heard of this. It's a film festival. It's on its fifteenth year birth. Happy Birthday fifteen was a very important year for me. I don't know about you guys. The year I start growing hair downstairs and your mom told you to get that science experiment out of the kitchen and she said take it to the second floor which is why it back upstairs but yes sorry yeah yeah so fantastic fest film festival that would that happens at the Alamo Draft House in Austin Texas and and every year it's kind of a showcase of genre films like Sci Fi horror and drama animation and documentary and short form long form all sorts of cool shit and it's just a place where we have gone many times salmon. I've gone five times consecutively because we went for source way back in the day and then we just got addicted to it and we love it so much and we've seen such films as like the witch and arrival of all rose Halloween that was What's that movie the Strangler Strang I did. I thank thank thank thank thank thank you just used it to US awesome to New York and we stayed at Arizona Arizona. That's what it was going to. Arizona and I forced everyone everyone to watch it. I've never seen her. Elliott was like he was offended. Elliott left the room multiple times. I think you're the only one that stuck it out. Yeah it was fun. Bowman was there so of course Bowman Bowman. Seal of nothing is crazy fricken masterpiece of weird yeah and then like they do secret movies. He's like one year. The secret movie was spirit. Last year was the spirit of the new one and then before that it was was it overlord or was over overlord bigger. Just there the year before I never went to one and I know what it was. I was there it was was Shashank Redemption repertory screaming. They get to watch stolen. Okay there. You go installing but this year so this year we all went again when young and we had a nice little group of people and we saw Joe. Joe Rabbit was TYCO A TD's. Jealousy Jealous got to meet him. Oh Super Jealous he stuck around fantastic fast but in various states of me be should I have to assume he'd just off like an international national flight forty eight hours and he went straight there with a couple of drinks and he's he took shoes and jacket barefoot during the Cunanan was like the microphone was really making sense. Stephen Merchant was going like yeah right man it was like really strange and then he was there like the entire rest of the day just like walking around the draft house unlike smoking with people and out of clothing yeah exactly anyway but we saw Gioja rabbit ammon various other movies and then the secret screening this year was undone. DOLEMITE is my name. Dolemite Murphy a Netflix movie it's like a what do you call those Let's take on the exploitation yeah a biopic to for Rudy Ray Moore historian when it started up. It was like I get all. Here's the thing we were the whole time. You're at fantastic fest. You're trying to I guess with the secret. Screening is going to be and they do two of them up. Two of them's. They're fantastic. Fest is usually two weeks long at the draft house and we usually go for the first week as two weeks of movies leases insane. You usually see upwards to five movies a day. It's crazy and you could see more. That's exhausting really. Is You know we were a lot the times we're like. I'm so fucking exhausted and someone was like Oh yeah you tired from watching movies all day. You're sitting in a fucking dark room home in a comfortable seat where they're bringing you food the whole time alcohol and alcohol and you're and you're out of draft house of so it's like tons of delicious boone you're being in that like people sometimes underestimate why being engaged is tiring in the moment and paying attention and giving yourself in. You're all to one like a stimuli the movie or even a teacher in school like sitting there for eight hours a day. There's a reason you get tired until exhausted at at the end of the day and also we're trying to analyze it and try to come up with an opinion based thing. We're collection of work. We attended as press. Dj Salmon Myself and the the other people who were with us too and we had an obligation as press too because I was creating content. was there and you guys were creating content while you were there and we have an obligation to be able to you know Consi- in a concise way explain if the movie was good or bad and what we thought about it and all of that and you gotta be fucking completely you gotta take it all in and after watching like four four movies in one day. It's like holy. Shit that I even see that movie. What why don't even remember what I saw what your favorites because they're the ones that stick with you at total. Let me say this about Dolemite is my name is I as a and then as it went on. I was very pleasantly surprised. I enjoyed it quite a bit especially. Somebody WHO's trying to make their own stuff. It touched touched me well the thing the other thing too is like like what I was going to say before was is like the whole time you're trying to guess what the Secrets Secrets Green is going to be an everyone's saying rumors and some people uh-huh no but some people are like it sounds like a rumor and the first you know when you start to talk to people like what he has think the secret screening is like the word on the street was is that it was gonna be Doctor Sleep which is the the shining sequel which everyone's very excited about and then the next word on the street was maybe it's. DOLEMITE on Netflix and the next word on the street is maybe it's the what's the second one that came out the light the lighthouse the lighthouse and then someone decided to spread the rumor that it could be cats. US awesome on that one really took off. They made they made pin. Taylor Swift's cat characters has asked me about the secret screen and I I mean it's two and a half months out. There's no way the effects are close to being what they wanted to be. A Fun troll could be though you don't know the programmer came him out and he was like if you ask me about cats and going to scream I bet you ca- cats marketing team. They're like this. Let's get the conversation going. Let's go with it. Truly was like stoked. I was like fucking cats. That's the perfect fucking movie to show at fantastic fest like some battle cat tests Hassett tastic but so many people were like if it's cats. I'm fucking getting the fuck. Outta here like people were pissed off about the idea of it being cats but it wasn't Godsey was Dolan said he liked it basically any. I didn't see it because I was like I need to wake up at four. Am to be able to take get my six. AM flight so I had to go back to the AIRBNB but everyone who saw it said that it's really good and it's like Eddie Murphy being really funny again and and everyone was great and yeah if you guys have ever we tried to. I mean like you guys make you do that. You do that you do that. Maybe you guys do that. You Watch this this is it's just really inspiring seeing somebody who at a time where there was no room for him to ever make something like this put his all into it and be successful in his own right and that's cool test. It's a cool not too fantastic made his own path situation your I think your initial reaction is just based on the last like what twenty years of Eddie Murphy get why like here we go again no huge opinions on it and there's been some like star turning moments from him within all this stuff but it was a lot of like family mediocre. Koker films like cut and paste with Eddie Murphy for Awhile and people have been disappointed except for dreamgirls worry stepped out so I get the reaction then like I remember seeing the trailer and going this could be another. One of the good things going to be a turn and it's the same feeling I have right now for the uncut gems with Adam Sam yeah. Have you seen good time. No Sir Robert Pattinson is from the same director highly recommend. I gotta say one is that with the it's a bank robbery. It's it's amazing and that wasn't sure Amazon prime it was on Netflix for a little bit yeah streaming on Amazon prime but it's the same directors and it's just it's it's just a panic attack of a movie and it sounds like Adam Sandler looks next level yeah. I miss seeing dramatic Sandler. He killed it in Punchdrunk love. This is dramatic sandler but with like a really big sandler s character turn. It's it's not like subdued dramatic Sandler in punchdrunk. This is like that people people are saying Oscar Buzz and apparently I heard the description of his character. Stay whirlwind bad decisions every decision. He makes us the one it it. It looks really. I'm bummed that we have to wait for December. Co Star in it is Adele Disease Commission. Yeah please welcome. The wickedly Gidley talented one and only does the does does the does does the does the yeah yeah. We have a lot of fun with a lot of sounds sounds here Jesus Christ. It's loud plan that classic part of the classic quote. Oh Yeah do you guys remember Al.. Pretty well member of that quote. You say that you'd rather phrase. Where's the catch remember that you don't anyway to get back on track a little bit. Let's talk about just really quickly kind of like whatever movies at fantastic. Oh mytalk will you guys go first and then I'll okay vast the vast of nights coming to Amazon prime and it's a sci-fi twilight zone esque adventure between a two teenagers in the nineteen fifties hearing a signal over the radio and trying to figure out what it is it's great and it goes full twilight zone with that Joe Jo- Rabbit. You guys know what it is. I really enjoyed it and I think I throw dolemite in there because of how much of a surprise it was cool for me. That's a tough one I might say Dolemite Jelica to which was this Indian in landlocked Jaaz described which bear unfair comparison but basically in the in the small Indian village a buffalo gets loose and just starts wreaking havoc which is bad but what's worse is that every man in the village decides. They're going to be the one that gets it. So by the end of the movie you've got hundreds of sky's roaming the village wreaking havoc trying to kill his buffalo. I think the the person there's like eighty different characters in the movie. There's four that are actual actors and the director had like eighty people to be like okay now do this then. There's there's a scene at the end. It probably wasn't done with C. G. And it's like how just human bodies flowing Africa you like a lot of it is like 'cause I saw it to a lot of it is like you can't tell l. what CG and what's not and the bowl like havoc is like really well done yeah and the effects are pretty amazing and I I say this one and the next one mostly because they're movies that I didn't have like huge standouts but mostly these are movies that I would not have been able to see any place else. My last one was but boy which which is almost impossible to describe if you haven't seen it so yeah what was the what was the inciting exam he he's he's like a prostate exam and then discovers the ability that he he just starts putting stuff up as but he likes to to put the Tartus actually one hundred percent one hundred percent because there's like in the first ten minutes easily like it starts with bar soap and then he like looks at a dog and then the dogs guard and then and then he looks like a serious tone Oh yeah and then and then he's a baby in the park and then suddenly the to the cops trying to find the baby and everything and if flash forwards fascist Ford nine to five years. It's a little cutout card says nine years but the time is a little dubious and a cop ends up trying to five figure out. What's going to solve these disappearance like David fincher movie. The bill like the lives like a scene like there's like a scene from heat where they're in a diner together there and like no one knows anything yet but like you can tell this cop is somehow related to what happened like all those years ago when things started disappearing and it becomes like a manhunt manhunt to find this guy and he finds at crime scenes he finds a little like Dingle Bayer. He's he's. You know it's amazing. It's so well done right left and I watched a movie about a guy who showed up and I was so angry with my friends. I'm not upset when I saw it just angry at the premise and how well they'd get it. It's funny because my favorite scene in the movie is hasn't typical like the chiefs like. Are you telling me that this is what's happening but because of the premise you're one hundred percent with the chief like he just lays out. You're telling me this guy. Sponsor is shoving stuff up and they jesting them inside. The cops like well. I don't know about about the digestion situation but I do think it's making some sort of sci-fi or magic element there sure. How is he putting things in there a after they came out after he's like to see it. I want to see a really bad. Suspension will find you debriefs fantastic all of us to is that there's like a there's a ton of movies like that where you're just like. I don't know what I'm getting into. I see a synopsis and I go. I hope I get it and then I go see it. Can you read it and you're like okay. I saw that three my three were definitely Gioja Rabbit and then I saw this documentary called you don't Know Me and O. M. I. A and it's a documentary like crazy amazing hilarious deep dive into showgirls the movie Shogo. I saw something about that. Yes yeah so good because it's just like the person is just like I know it's the worst movie ever made but it's also the greatest movie ever made and I'm GonNa tell you why and it's just like this crazy really funny analysis of like every scene and how Elizabeth Berkeley's characters just like complete she just flies off the handle at any moment for no reason and they just just like a super cut of her freaking out at people and like it's just this really funny shit and they also had a brown rice and vegetables eating contest before the movie movie because in the movie they keep mentioning that because they're strippers they're only diet is brown rice and vegetables and it's just this weird thing they keep bringing up up in the movie and it's just it's Paul Villanova and so it's like fucking bonkers and not really about what it's supposed to be about right but but yeah it was great. I loved it and then my third favourite. It was deer skin which the first hour of yeah flights or miss the rest yeah. It's the Guy Quinton do do pugh do peo- oh or depot or something rector of of rubber tele kinetic killer tire yeah. This one's crazy because it's basically about this guy hi who buys a deer skin jacket and then realizes that his dream is to be the only person in the world with a jacket so he sets off to kill Hill everyone and take their jackets so weird so that he can have the only Japan world fucking so funny and it's so fucking weird and it's just like really amazing. Shit okay the one we missed. I'm really bummed about because he got a crazy history. After it was released way back in the sixties was V. I think as VFW they'll VFW Jerry I found footage movie ever made wanted himself and he w was that post-apocalyptic movie okay so it's a different one but there's somebody else made this very. I found footage. Movie tried to release it. Studios didn't know what it was and the only real zee half of it burnt down in a fire late year somewhere in the sixties and but at a certain point someone found a vhs the originals are gone just a VHS exists and and somebody online took it cut off the credits on the front end and they uploaded as will basically the movies about a F- a family birthday party and then they'll get abducted by aliens but it got cool loaded. Reading people like this is a real a real artifacts. It circled for decades real evidence of an alien of actual deduction. That was filmed yeah. Yeah that's fantastic fast so real quick because two of Sam's choices were streaming movies. How About Yours Dome. I was one the other two. I know Steve New years where Joe Joe's coming out to theater so you'll see that soon. I have no idea but it's an interesting commentary on just don't now in the current state though right like some some of the best movies you saw aren't going to be theatrical releases and stuff you saw we're. GonNa see digital. Fantastic is like it's kind of a grab bag of whether you see them. If you see something when you really like whether you'll ever see it again because a lot of these movies don't have distribution yet google and so they're looking for distribution. They might not find me. Hope people talk about life life hoping to your skin out some pretty sure I wanNA see the rest of it of socially rubbers such a cult hit assure will see speaking of that actually mentioned him on podcast. I went on goosing Eddie's podcasts and I mentioned my all time favorite movie as fantastic fest and the person who owns the distribution rights to that movie reached out to me and we're gonNA keeps me updated. Whenever it comes to Erica I can't buy it. It's called three football and soul. It's Fan. That's the one I was just talking about yeah so it's and it won't ever come here but the person emailed me and was like hey. It's going to be at a film festival in San Francisco. If you want to go see it. I don't want to go all the way up there to watch a movie but like watch one movie back we felt the same way about Anna in the apocalypse which so fantastic fest like a couple years ago last year or something and that was one of those movies where it was like. Oh Fuck. I love it the music so good. It's really good. I WanNa see it again and then you're like I. I don't know if it ever ever came out and it is out now. Primate thing yeah I went to Acuna with the whole crew and task at the arclight and they were great have you guys haven't seen an on the apocalypse that's on Amazon prime. Um You should check it out highly recommend but to your point like did you see Balata Buster scruggs the Coen brothers most recent mom some of it. It went straight to net flicks and they were like yeah. We don't even really bother talking about because nobody would want to make it and stuff like like dolemite that you should just be a movie yeah. You're an and so now what movies that were just used to just be able go see theaters. Go I mean God bless net flicks industry platforms for investing in these meetings but it's it's a bummer that they just don't get. They're not just movies that are out on the day that net flicks wakes up and does the thing where it's not gonna take as many creative and swings 'cause it will eventually get there but right now. They're like this bastion of like people can go there with their crazy. Ideas funding and it's awesome. The hope is that it isn't the fear that you have in that. They just go to stream and they they missed that experience. In the theaters. The hope is that net flicks and it sounds like they already already are an Amazon will sometimes take some of their best hitter. Make them theatrical and they've done it. They did it with the Manchester Right. Actually I really liked the way Amazon does it because I know net flicks looks gets crap because they want day and date feeder and at the same time Amazon will usually drop movie in theaters like six to eight months prior to coming to get for him and so that allows pretty lengthy. fear runs for their stuff. I know that the breaking bad movie El Camino is going to be an limited run in the hitters. WanNa see them at the same time Alex Yeah I know I was talking about it and I was like should we go see this and he was like I'd rather be able to like be in my underwear and have a joint and just like uh-huh depending on the theater probably be just one P. We went to and comes to mind. Go at a certain time at night. Maybe like two weeks in Suze at twelve. I went to it too and it was in like the biggest theatre. AMC But was eleven pm and I was like on Tuesday and I'm never going to get to see this because my kids can't go when my wife doesn't want to and I went there. I was in the theater by myself watching it chap. I don't know if I'd like that self scary in in the in the midday movie leg matinee showing painless for your ticket. I mean yeah yeah yeah totally totally yeah so anyway. That's fantastic fest. It's really cool. It's it's there's just you know year. After year you just discover some kind of new director or new genre or new movie v. The you never thought you'd ever be able to see things that could happen in an AIRBNB that you wouldn't expect yeah yeah talked about that. We stayed in this really cool airbnb. that was little off the beaten path but still fairly close to the theaters bars called a Hilton quite understand what an Airbnb it it was like this a and B unit that was like a how like duplex yes and and the a unit salmon. Dj Stayed in and the B unit me and my a friend Josie and briefs these squad the B squad and so one night I like I like I didn't have as crazy of his experiences. Dj and Sam did but one night just kind of in the middle of the night you could hear some kind of like sound up in the ceiling and I was just like Maybe it's a nightmare Mary something back to bed and then the next morning i get to the theater. We all get to the theater and we're all talking about the movie. We're GONNA see and stuff and then Sam is like missing. I was like ah going after them. No it was just like hey did anybody here that weird sound in the ceiling and Sam yet. It kept me up all night yeah no it. It scared the shit out of me I got we got back the second night we were there. I was UPLOADING I. I'm doing a new show now called one more time. ooh. Plug it baby. It's a podcast youtube. Youtube showed us one more time than search may get so I was uploading episodes for that and I started hearing little scratches and it started to kind of like run run around upstairs moonlight with some weight on it. I'm like it's it's probably just Iran watching like fucked up movies and a lot all of them are horror movies and some of them are like trippy psychological weird like mental drain yeah like Japanese man living in the attic a a day and so it doesn't help but that was your experience. What was your so so the it was like three in the morning I want to say this is ninety two you I was out in the hall and say it was like either something the ceiling and so we go we go into space and there's one of those little crawlspace stores but it's one one of those like you know. It's so tight that you're GONNA be right. There and we both look. There's no no whatever whatever's up there. I don't need to be that close to it and so it was on his side and then at about six in the morning. I hear like the IT sounded like it was trying to pry up would like wanted wanted wanted in and and I heard it on my hunger yeah yeah and it was just one of those like so pitch black out and it's just like what do i. How do I and it just that was the way it was the next two nights you just every once in a while but no definitely gotten a fight with something else sitting around at one point and you know those when you go to sleep you're You're dreaming but you can fully here and feel everything in the room. In this dream state I heard something on the ceiling fall onto the bed and calling the covers offers but I had like a little bit of sleep process so I couldn't move what I swung my arm. Nothing was in the room when I go to sleep for like an hour after that. You had the best experience the royal. Oh Yeah Oh yeah Oh yeah so the plus is beating artery my room at blackout curtain like Pitch Pitch Black in my room I didn't have I didn't have blackout curtains but it was it was been diesel from pitch black high but it was weird because I haven't experienced this visit like my grandparents or whatever where it's just like woods behind the house which always feels weird once you've lived in a city for awhile always there's a little weird but there was one night where if I heard stuff crashing crashing around five bathroom and then there was stuff I could tell it was like you in the in the adjacent bathroom or in the ceiling or maybe I'm just losing it because I'm always sleep but I heard something new event. An event was facing the bed so it turned the flashlight on my phone towards the van and heard it skittered away so then I went to the vet and I adjust it so the vent the vent event blades were like facing and then are the last day she's when we went to when we woke up dead dead roaches by like every window and the bunch of my cables have little little chew marks. We're we're done. That was sorry I wonder set. The tone was spooky music awhile. Yeah No. It's still scary last year we had people walk into our AIRBNB and the year before that are airbnb that guy gun victim from it yeah well. We were given a a bad airbnb like we were put into a bad airbnb situation because they weren't allowed actually used their place as an Airbnb so so we got fully kicked out of your money back yeah but but you know it was like it was one of those things where it was like we had to go find somewhere else at the last minute minute pain in the ass but something else about this situation was I ended up hitting up the AIRBNB person and say I hit them up because like I didn't like that. Sam Wasn't sleeping that night. That made me feel really bad so I was like I'm ended up motherfucker and see what's going on so I hit up the guy and I was like hey so so motherfucker cause me up it was like is everything okay because having a good time and do you need anything did you. Did you meet my son yet yeah but no he. I hit them up and I was like listen. There's something in the ceiling. It sounds like like between the like in a crawlspace or something. It just sounds like something's crawling around up up there and it's like I don't know if it's cause for concern but I'm letting you know and then he hit him. You visit back. Is it happening during the day or night and I was like it's happening at night and then he didn't answer that was it. He just like that. Was it because you broke the curse. What if it is do he's on at night and he looked up and went my God and then he got yeah. It was no good. It's creepy it could have been this is just like flips the sheets in the morning there the first night when I was hearing it. I've kind of tired of it. So I took a coat hanger. I started banging on the ceiling and it didn't faze whatever it was at all aw just kept moving as if nothing in China like scare it a little bit. I was trying to see if maybe I could combine tack and cockroaches and just above you as well. It sounded like it was definitely like it could have been rats. Bats was idea those photo but I think we would have heard more squeaking or flipping. Yes they definitely sounded like it was like to visit possum mammal mammals abroa- maybe squirrel squirrel might have been a bear bear you you know. I don't know if it could have been an hour and he goes. Oh Bird but that's Austin man could up in the Austin the go-to anyway so that's that that was their story from Austin. Hey guys welcome to the ad portion of the show. It's time for for some ads all right. We'll get back to the show in just a second but first we're GONNA talk about stitch fix. Describe your look in one word casual sophisticated playful. What's Your Steve. I guess so it'd be let mine is a couple of words. I call it figuring it out. However you dress stitch fix as the expert personal stylists that can help you look your best. Personal style is like a fingerprint everybody. Everyone has their own. Whatever your style the experts at ditch picks are ready to help you express yourself. 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TV show movie thing and what's the least favorite thing I'll be out I mean we do some reviews for the DC universe apps where you gotta pay like seven to eight bucks a month and get those. titans was pretty rough for the first season for me. That was not Super Fun. You stuck with it. We stuck with it because then we got doom patrol and doom patrol. Oh was fantastic. That's good that was a wonderful exploration of what it means to be a person and finding your identity great honors in on yes she uh-huh yeah. She's the one of the best episodes to share. That's cool she plays a great role and also just righteous gemstones is really going so. Elliott's been freaking out over. It's insane. I went on a friend of ours Whitney van. Landing Ham fund named to say hard for me to say even leaning Dean she does like cartoon reviews and I checked out Steven Universe and I just finished it because God that is such an inspiring show and I wish I watched it when I was a kid because it really helps you understand who you are loving yourself and figuring out when to let go and also what relationships can and it's like really deep stuff. I hope kids are watching that. Oh yeah what it means to be you and when you get to be with somebody else with that can feel like for you good and bad and how you can maybe work through some of those struggles. It's so oh cool and beautiful music too saying yeah so if you want more of the pins of stuff like that you can check out our podcast only super answers you want those titans reviews that's on Youtube at had only stupid answers as well and then for a normal movie reviews. We're doing stuff that might be awesome and more explainers and stuff like that. I know for me. I've been watching a behind but I've been watching the terror the show the terror. Oh Yeah so it was supposed to be a like a limited series and then a successful so now it's an anthology so now there's a second season here is very good for the first season which is one. I'm watching now is based off a horse historical fiction book that elaborates on these two ships the HMS Arabists in terror that were supposed to find a trade route through the Arctic circle like just to China and it surprising go oh great the the the real history Spanish off the face of the earth. They didn't find the ships until like twenty fourteen so this not on this story was like seventy years exploding blew my dumpling. Bring the store. The fiction part is is the story imagining what happened during that time and the supernatural element but like a lot of these the real terror is what people do when they're intense. Jewish `isolation what s elation didn't understand so this is like eighteen forty they had supplies for three years like there is people people are like yeah. We're not going to go looking for them for three years when they run out of supplies at and just the idea of like the mid eighteen hundreds. You're supposed to be on a boat for three years and it's like have refrigerators raiders. They don't have what Trysofi like what warmth where they are at the yeah yeah so late now and it just blew my mind that these people were just you just bring blooming the Arctic for three years and like all over the help help it works out and it didn't because what happens in the show and I don't know if this is similar to what happened in real life is there's there's a there's a moment and Jerod hairs in the show and he plays a similar role that he did not bullying dynamite. Finally you back drama. He plays a similar role that he plays into novel where he's. The Guy don't do this and everybody's like fuck you and then anything goes to shit and they get stuck in an ice drift for a year two years do winters. They're just stuck in the ice and have to wait for the fall and and I just watched a scene where they're like. Everybody stoked because the sun's finally gonNA show up again and because of where they're at it peaks up and then goes right back down. T's and you're like this. This is a night yet. This is a nightmare depression like fold darkness and endless cold. Yeah I literally couldn't imagine like like maybe you know if you look back. In that time I could possibly see myself doing the wagon train out to the West. Maybe I mean even that's. That's like dude. I'm staying in this fucking town until fifteen years have a lot of choices more reckless but just the the idea of just. I think it's similar to what we would have with space travel. Now is just going to literally the most hostile environment of what's out there. Yeah no thank you and that's what it's always been that just like the ultimate that sounds like event horizon meets the thing meets fricking the shining like yeah just horrible ships. It's Great Yeah Yeah. Go ship that one scene waving anyone ever remembers about ghost ship. I know it's getting a show now but I think event horizons hasn't underrated really scary. Yeah it is fucked. I had friends in college. It wouldn't watch it like I saw that back in the day and I can't disturbing graphics graphics dated but like the the overall premises. It gets a little hokey. It's hell on a spaceship lovecraft to have hell on on my spaceship. Thank you know not looking for that. Pass on that teleportation became a thing but they're like one out of one thousand you end up in Hell just like just like we can't say is one out of a thousand people or one out of a thousand times actually. GonNa big group and like one person. Oh Jim Jim's in hell. You'll never be the same but there's a one in one one thousand chance that you're GONNA end up in hell slimmer than you'd want. I don't know if I'd try it. What I think I I think we would because we'll probably be fine. Yes there's enough people out there that don't like to think about the truth of percentages way back from. Hell if you make the ship popped out eventually like it and it was it was fine any shows that you think you wish we're better had had some hype and not very good but I wish I wish ad Astra was better. I'm here in bad thing. Oh so visually it's great but you know like the first it similarly. The first release of Blade runner had that narration through the this has that through it feels more kind of but also like stuff. It's just like doc. Am I my dad or my my anger and then he just stares at a wall for a little bit. You're like I don't treat you like you're eighty. You might want to catch it when it streaming because because there aren't a whole shootout on the moon that's really cool. It takes like big sci-fi stuff and grounds them into a more reasonable instead of like big space battles. You're just literally trying to for Cross. The moon and other people are starting to shoot at you and it's cool because I've seen stuff like that but the voice over is that's the Brad Pitt thing we've been Super Lebanon dark are crystal. It's like our favorite right now. I keep trying to know it's going to be great so good. I was thinking behind the scenes via fax thing and it looked incredible. It's just just like you know. It's it's the all the artistry that goes into it. They like they really expanded upon Jim Henson's creative vision in in a way that I never thought they could if they were. GonNa make a new dark crystal thing but it does what I wish they do more often where they have the poppet say this this was a whole big chase sequence and so they have the puppets and then they green unscreened stuff around. I think it was. I wish we'd do that more like in um where the wild things are movie was a big practical monster but then the facial expressions were the allegation had like CG help yeah yeah and I think that's the act my wife. Just give me a call me a sap tax. Update us when you come back Yeah I love it. I think you should see you should see when you get a chance trying to start it and then like the first like five minutes are like there are three stars yeah thrown seven people we don't know the the last one but these have wings and it starts getting explaining everything and I'm like just be patient because we stick with their eight hours of TV like rates ten ten hours because it's ten ten episodes so like I I will understand. What's happening. Dumps a lot on you 'cause. I've never seen dark crystal. I know enough of what it is. I should just watch it though because it sounds like to see Dr Kristall Staw to know because it's like a pretty good just jump right into the benefits not having seen Dr Crystal because because I think sometimes prequels. It's like you kind of know what's going to happen. I mean totally the shows shows are key. The the the projects are a little different right because like the dark crystal is this really dramatic art piece just like totally very slow and it's very slow burn and it's like more like a like almost good nature documentary in a way that has a story around it and I loved and appreciated for what it was because I grew up with that shit but for a lot of people watching the Cristal series you might get tricked into watching the dark crystal movie and hoping it has the same kind of like action action and and kind of like forward motion momentum but it Kinda doesn't know and and I really you know 'cause I mean someone like Elliott Elliott and Grace Gray said that they were watching it and they don't really watch things and watch movies and watch. TV shows really they just kind of like whatever they're they're not into it like. Elliott's not very much of a movie nerd or anything like like that but he was watching it and he was like it's like it's like game of thrones but with like puppets essentially and I was like yeah. That's a good way to describe it and he's like man. I guess maybe I should see Dr Crystal Crystal now. The movie and I was like maybe for everybody I mean if you can see if you can if you want to appreciate a time capsule of some weird like super like risky art piece that Japan's import his heart and soul into and just thought maybe people would like it and they didn't really at first but it became a cult hit thankfully but it was just this. It's just this big sent showpiece of puppets artistry because then labyrinth kind of right yeah yeah yeah at first yeah because yeah because because now they're below everyone scene yeah. I know I'm bad but everyone seen labyrinth. Have you seem car carnival row or whatever no you haven't seen the I have you seen it. No I want. I don't know what to think yet. It looks cool. It's a Oh cool concept. Orlando's bones are so is stage in my life. Wherever whenever shows like Oh people are a prejudice against Cara Delevingne. I'm like no. I think she's great no but I'm talking about within the university because she has wing. No that's still a crazy whoa you're not come on. Come on Yeah yeah and you do see that I've been wanting righteous gemstones and I've also been watching Oh the good place this season. That's that just popped up on on Natalie yeah three. I'm like about halfway into three GERMY JEREMY'S AMIS in season three right so you met him yet when you get to him starting really soon right. It started already know the twenty next week. Snap one lasted chose to end it with four. Oh you know what you know what show doesn't work thrown on the bus and I do like a lot of aspects of the show and did not live up is legion. Just GonNa Share Shit. I don't WanNa hear that yes season. One very fucking loved it so good. I have not seen any more. I can't wait season. Two is he's great right up until a twist at the last minute in the last episode that season three does not know what to do with oh no because at the end of season two it said at the end. Oh No we got what we do. Now is reduced PERSA fien then then. FX was like screw you giving you another one yeah and it's it's got. It's got a lot of cool ideas. There's these tiny creatures that are amazing. It's it's visually incredible but it too has to bend over backwards to accommodate this twist and throttle characterization of stuff of previous season that it doesn't yeah it's it's tough. It's tough stuff. Basically League David is supposed to be somewhat of a villain and they're like okay. How do we get there. They come up with a thing thing for him to the happens that he does and you're like that lights out that last slice of pizza. I don't think I can't over this last slice the pizza for somebody else and then there's different kids and then there's somebody else who we've established early on also stole slice of pizza but for some reason we're okay hey with her doing it but not David doing it and then the main bad guy like actually I was trying to help the whole time. You're like timeout. That doesn't like what would it was a bummer. There's still a lot to like about. The show like the cast is great in a lot of interesting ideas. It just doesn't it. Just kind of fell fell apart at the end which is a disappointment. That's bomber Yeah Joe. Is Everything Okay Yeah. Everything's good. Everything's not great but everything's fine. She saw the last episode of leading. She's like she was very Ah. Twist doesn't make sense daughters got this coach It's a new coach. Bert team that she's on and last year was very regimented like almost like militaristic schedule Joie. You knew you were going to be where you were and if you weren't yours potential to lose you're spot on the team like you're you're used to that. Coach is not like that. New Coach has now canceled missile practices last minute like she supposed to go to practice right when school ends so bell rings practice. We know she's going to be there for two hours. Last three practices canceled canceled at the last minute. Families plan around this stuff and it's a it's a frigging nightmare. That's what we're doing with this chair. Uncle Competitive Tuck competitive cheer. I would like to know your opinion or you like is it. Is it like hey you need to either instrument sport something. You need to sign up for something. I I want her to to engage in his much extra curricular as possible into that but also not forcing her letting her know it's important but she's kind of doing it on her own so that's really right now. We're in the I want to make sure she has arts in her life. somehow in any way shape or form she used to do show acquire and then she stepped away from that show just didn't like it anymore and I was like well. What are you going to do for art and I'm like I'm not gonNA. Force you to do anything so it's important that if you do music and stuff like that that helps with your schooling and makes you a better at math and a bunch of other things and instead she used like I just WanNa learn a foreign language so she like she's lava jumped into Spanish honors classes and that's really cool to teach me so she's yes she's. I'm not having to worry about that with her. Cheer Soccer Girl Scouts still like she cool. She's Pretty Rathcoole. She's well rounded enough that it's a problem for my schedule she probably have. I guess my never reminds you. Get the big book of Cassettes and put them in the nineties like overshadow. She's a one hundred percent now south identifies by stranger things and nothing else Ligo. She loves it. She loves eighties music now Cluele. It's she is on board to the point of. I hard for me to even understand how much she loves it. They still sent you those cassette like if you signed up they still send you cassette now right this very putting so you have to get like an adapter for your computer. Put a cassette tape in there so now. I want to play something with you. Guys called would you rather and we do it sometimes at the end of this episode and basically what I do is I go to our slash. Would you rather on read it and then we just have some fun with some of these. Would you rather Elliott refuses to play all the time yeah. I don't know why he hates it so much coach but he's he's a corruption. I hate him but but yeah so. Let's play some of these. how about that that that uh I see okay. Where's the cat. Where's the cat. You don't do the red at fifty fifty no. I don't know if that exists anymore. I don't think exists is sending more. I think you might be unhealthy are yeah okay so guys. Let's let's let's present this. Would you rather would you rather only be able to walk everywhere but never feel fatigued or teleport anywhere instantly instantly but feel justice fatigued as if you'd walked the same distance walking one hundred percent. I like walk in places I like being able to. I met somebody at fantastic fest. he works for the Boston Underground Film Festival and he talked about living in the city and be able to walk every night. I it because I agree with you but I can also choose to walk if I WANNA walk but you don't have to teleport yeah. It sounds like it's a choice yeah. You don't have to teleport okay. I'm GonNa take the teleportation I'd rather do. You'd have to be very careful with where you teleport sure. You could tell someone that could kill you. If you wake up dead. What if that's how I want to go in China right now. Don't you just start drowning. You teleport and you just like like you just like It's like at the end of last crusade when he drinks from the wrong cup and morally after five teleport's you just have these gigantic. Antic like quad just keeps changing. It's a new you don't need to work out now. You just you just tell us for no I would just go to sleep. I would just try to time it out of like okay. Hey Ben. I'm just going to go to sleep sleeps. Does it take to get a nap in Nevada my in my like physically worn out or my ah fatigue associated with walking that distance so whatever that would be for you probably want surprise of teleporting passing they get their. Everybody knows this guy. He just teleported okay. How about this one. Wherever you answer Oh I guess it'd take the walk walk. Walk in one yeah because television is cool but even teleporting like let's say like I wanna go to Disneyland teleport to Disneyland. I'd be like to fucking tired to do anything that I mean again. I could get a hotel room or something you just playing around with the with the walking. Now you get to walk over Disneyland tired all right could walk to Disneyland and be like I got like twelve hours to how long it would take to get to walk Disneyland start at midnight and then there and then the riots and then you walked back in being fatigued at all. That's pretty cool. I mean. I wonder if that does that discount for like normal fatigue like in a twenty four hour day your do you have to go to sleep at some point. This never know I guess it would feel the same amount of you probably still have a normal sleep schedule yeah. That's not as advantageous as you might think well. I mean 'cause you stay up for twenty four hours. You'RE GONNA start hallucinating and Shit but you could do like a four hour. Walk and be like I need to get somewhere. I'm it's GONNA walk for four the answer. okay so here's another one. Would you rather discover the cure for cancer but you won't have any credit or profit for for it or get fifteen million dollars right now cancer cancer right you have to yeah. You want cancer cancer gone. You don't want fifteen million fifteen million dollars would solve all of your problems may be and and help your family and future families cause more problems uh-huh but that's the thing it's like. It's a selfish thing I would just give people cancer without walks okay. Would you rather trim your front lawn and back lawn with only toenail clippers like God or paint a fence with a toothpick with the paint pallet one block away way is just fucked up. This is a lose lose yeah. They both stuck and one has more walking. Would you rather those have more walking with telephoto walk fatigue. Those are hell. Both of those are hell spaceship with hell. The only one it you could do is the clipper one because you at least you're in one place and paints going to dry on the toothpick. What about this one. Would you rather shit fingernails or cry hair hair. Yeah Oh strings the whole strand isn't he doesn't know when you get like hair when we just gotTa pull it out and it's got that weird foreign feeling about this think about this hair in the eye comfortable maybe at least at least learn learn fingernails at least that is designed to move to be a passageway for instance are all curves edges on gotTA. Get stuck everywhere. Get stuck contacts in my eyes. My eyes are not nerve endings anymore. How about this. Would you rather have an orgasm. Every time you see Shrek or sing all star out loud every time you have an orgasm all-star super easy already know the words body it was. You'd be like the whole I'm thinking. Shrek Shrek well. How do you fucking shrimp all all the time honestly the amount of times that I see Shrek an orgasm during for that amount of times be a welcome thing. Here's the thing it doesn't sound like that's the only the only way you can order. Just unfortunately happens all the time the thing with an orgasm it is that you know you got your what five to six seconds of elation and that's just just the somebody once told me line. You're going to be sitting there in your mess four minutes okay unable to someone running away from you. Let me introduce you to the world of discrete pampers. Talk Okay this one. Would you rather hammers all star. Would you rather live ten years but everything you say is made reality or live of a regular lifetime but the only people you are allowed to talk to is your direct family. Verse is for you. Live live ten more years you you you live for ten years yes but but everything you say is made reality that everything is is tricky monkey pox yeah yeah right right so you could just say like. I wish whatever and then it'll just happen so I mean if that's the case you rigged the system and you go. I want this this this this everything you've ever wanted and then at the end of it you ago and also. I don't want this power anymore. Genie wishing for more genes. Manhattan hacked the system. Did I do it. I think if anything you say comes to be we ain't no rules that you can't change the rule. I wish I was immortal. They go oh shit. What about that was set up to allow that though that's the question okay you make a clone body that appears at the ten year mark in your brain transfers into it with the power see? You know what that's that's a question of people treat the clone as if it's you but it's not not you know put my brand also yet to be careful about what you're talking about because we're we're saying it with the qualifier that were saying. I wish but really you might go Steve. You suck yeah and just start suck. I thought that's the way I feel like that's the way it's free everything yeah. It is yeah that's a nightmare and you're a piece of shit. Oh Fuck fucking. Oh everything ah okay last one. Would you rather have a perfect memory of your past picture-perfect photographic detail L. or to see one minute into your future like forever. He could always look a minute into your future minute into the future. I can so clumsy if I can a start avoiding. I've stub my toes so much that I'm scared to get an X ray. I don't WANNA I don't Wanna I'd rather have the one minute you could also be like like. Oh Shit. I'm in a dangerous situation. Take a look here. Okay okay. I'm say I wonder if that means like in a in the theory of relativity if you can change your path in future knowledge and interesting interesting. What a minute long and also is it something you activate or you just always like you're always cutting through the cage superpower that damn movie says in the in the bylaws of this particular. Would you rather it says you can see one minute into your future clearly in your head like an instant one minute movie that you comprehend in milliseconds okay so you yeah yeah. It's very useful rather have that I mean it's like you could win every game show ever probably he keep you could win trivia contests and things like that you could be like am. I about to say something stupid to this person and be like okay. I guess I am so I'll say something out like every person Karimi start scanning or conversation okay. This person I'm GonNa Talk to is cage movie. or the benefits of knowing your pass having just yes. I mean it's Nice. Being able to revisit you could revisit your any memory from your past into photographic visit too much of my past already dark stuff that imagine all the stuff that you've forgotten on purpose because trauma but some memories from the past are precious and some of the best you'll ever have and they they made you who you are today. Today's who you are today now when I get the revisit them because of memory degradation. I get to imagine them as not as bad as they probably were. I guess that's true yeah but I mean eventually lose all of their right. Yeah all right well listen. This has been a blast. It's been an absolute fun one time. Having you boys here a treat. It's a tree. We want you back obviously anytime and we'd love to maybe do a little something like I'd love to go on your guys's is a show or vice versa or have Jones. Yes we would love to Elliott and force them to watch some shit on his own. You know what I'm excited to force somebody to wash something they would never watch is my wife is watched blue velvet with me and punchdrunk love and she hates all of that. I'm GonNa make her watch Mandy with me. Oh Shit Mansions ain't no. I felt like drugs yeah. There's a slim chance you might like it wow but but I just need to understand a weird special movie. I like that. It's a very very cool movie. Well I want you to report back. I will make to godly. We should have a movie night watchman. I think he might be down for that all right well anyway one more time. He has wanNA plug plug stuff. Yeah go to only Sudan's DOT com. You can find our youtube Info there you to dot com is the only stupid answers and might be awesome. Also podcast goes up every Monday. Only stupid answers on all the platforms and go listen there. When we talk about fantastic festivals week got reviews you can listen to and also I'm starting out a new show called one more time with Bashar so you can go and check that out. I'M GONNA be watching Avatar the last year bender and then just a bunch of really shitty movies so it's GonNa be a good time. Dj Got Anything. You're working on but not it's not it's not at any point where it can be talking about it. Got Me come back when you're ready to talk about some your stuff. I'm really hard. What is a juggling juggling. Five balls are just got the one. Oh that's that's the toughest part gotta start somewhere all right. Well guys. 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Benjamin Harrison Enthusiast
"Yeah this is deemed by Friday. A weekly challenge podcast with Merlin. Man Alex Cox and Gin. This week's challenge make a mess all happening. It's on audio connecting. This looks really promising. We can we do this every day. Do you could do this every day. Would THAT BE INCONVENIENT? Just look for like an hour every day. Oh in the morning. Yeah for PEP PEP in my kids at a different time there. We go outdoors now. I have plant. It's my my office. Plants down in your In your little clown dungeon your magic castle. And what do you call Yeah Alexandra This is this is Max hello okay. I think we're good. Let's wrap it up. Well Good Yeah. Great show establishing natural report. I have to move put a cable from one place to another place. No it's fine. He's always on the couch. What's going on? I know thought he moves to the couch. Okay that's better all right. Hi Hello everybody. So we've had time to already. We've got time to burn it off. This is the thing Alexander's agreed to do this every day. Now so why look at that haircut? This is the second time I've done this too. I just have worn hats to. It's very warm in Chicago. I'm a week or two a week or two out from doing that. Alex I'm not going to. I'm not going to get my haircut. I mean I think I'm kind of stealing valor at this point. Oh well I'm not going. I hope no Republican is going to break into my house and throw medals at me like a troop which I can see it. I know that's why I don't say it. Where'd you serve? How about you? What are your infantry. Yeah Oh yeah I was in. I was in fretting and among and I start point eight six. Yeah Oh talk arms to twenty two twenty one personal questions like people love to be asked about themselves. You were completely right. It's just like nobody had important. Where is our support for you served? You don't deserve that. Aarp card sir. That's like paternalism. Jitsu use their strength against them. Like Judah us the question against them. Alex you look like one of those Democrats that runs for office where you're like. I was a helicopter pilot in Iraq and now I now. I support reasonable tax reforms and education voucher. I'm Lieutenant Colonel Ramp Frampton. My desk is made out of the door from the helicopter that I was shot. I WANNA I WANNA be Your Voice Missouri. This subtle touches that really little things. Hey look let's introduce our guest. We have a guest this week. Which is Alexandra? Petri who is award winning columnist for The Washington Post it personal here of mine and Alexander has a book coming out on Tuesday from W W Norton called. Nothing is wrong. And here's why Alexandra. Petri you've got. I preordered that book feared for quite a while. Apparently you just started arriving at people's houses. Even though I got hooked I got Kim August. I got it on Amazon so I feel like that's like I feel like it's good that I supported your book bad that I got it on Amazon. So it's sort of neutral. It's sort of a neutral act. Well you did probably order it before. We all knew bookshop existed. Which is what I did and then canceled my order and switched and I've noticed. Oh Man I'm a priori. Oh you still. Are you still using bookshop. You haven't heard bookshop is canceled. You haven't did. They did it will be because it just rose row suddenly and was like this is what I always wanted to have happened. It's affording it's great. Jesus convenience it's like there's going to be dropping soon. It's going to be like it's actually just one terrible like Gregor and he's done it on Laura. Do you guys remember when all the restaurants were closing and there was that big thing on social media of like find your local restaurant and by gift cards to support them like gift cards so that you can likes particularly the money when they like. They're like I don't like first of all. I know restaurant tourists. Who went all in on that and they just sold so many gift cards but then like it's just so ill advised for a lot of reasons. It's a it's a really bad idea like the laws around. Do you guys know about this. Like I knew. In California has pretty stringent laws about honoring gift card forever forever. Yup It's a substantial turns out so basically if you sell a gift card you have special tax reporting requirements and you have to pay the tax on it even though and then keep the money in like an escrow account and you're not allowed to spend it. It's like a disaster. And it's like yeah. It's like compounded. The financial woes of all of the chef owned restaurants. That did that that alongside the that. Nobody's going to be able to repay. I mean the instead of like it's it's not good to buy and also like restaurant I mean and also to and also then there's just the obvious thing like restaurants aren't gift card businesses like it's like just get food from them or don't it's too good to be true. It's like bookshop. I like anything that makes me feel good about buying things if kink getting emails be like. Hey you want to close to outdoors. And I'm like bold of you to assume that I Alexandra I'm reliably informed but advertisements on MSNBC that there has literally never been a better time to buy a car. I keep hearing a new car. Don't get one of those hurts. Cars that's damaged goods but I would love to find out what I need to do today to put you into a new automobile touch free delivery when when Veronica and I were watching the the live survivor episodes you guys watch that like in real time. Yeah now I haven't seen like real. Tv commercials in quite a while and this is like a super this is like some super hyper normalization our TV commercial time. Because they're all like it's all like a Chrysler has always been there for you and your family and now you should be here for Chrysler and Bakar with zero percents. Apr Financing Until President's Day. It's like it's very weird. And there's like Y wispy piano music playing really upsetting stuff live. They've pivot but they started out with the started out as well. First of all there was the whole like light of a dying sun problem. We're like ads. Were running where you like. You've got to be kidding me. It's so important that you take this ad down right. Now it'd be like united you know having infomercial on nine eleven like this is really not the time for this and then it became. I feel like it became like root now in these challenging times. America is struggling. But we'll get through this together and we're here for you and was club together. We'll see restaurants and Max has some things to say about crum but now it's like now they're like faulk. We really do need to sell something please please. By is so fantastic to see any AD. There was one on survivor where I just. I'm so triggered at this point by people who were sitting near each other as when we're ladies on a plane maybe it's ask your doctor about Trevan or whatever but you're like it's so tone deaf right now. I'm wrong like one hundred percent of the time when I try to guess what the ad is for when like the music playing. And you're like what is like like we've been there. We can't touch one another now. And it's like little caesars. And you're like oh well extra meat for a dollar. We've been avoiding boy for over. A decade argues areas. Charges are ruining a lot of the places. You used pizzas for three dollars. All eight twenty nine of them in the course of a month. That's all we can say about. What do you what the fuck should we do with all of this shredded cheese? Now more than ever. But they had one that was just like a new mask with the properties of copper. It was like one of those days like my pillow aesthetic but this is great like even the grandparents who keep buying gold for no reason or being sold like an add on the now with the properties of copper and copper. Those people also think of copper was originally created as a way to fix the wrist of Arnold Palmer in these troubled times. Let your mask speak for you and America and we'll see you out there sued. I had a great. I had a really good coronavirus experience this morning. So I like wake up and then you're sort of in your in a in a in a fog and I like immediately reach my do you guys do probably do service to your phone. And you open an. I'll look at like apple news that's for me is like if there's a catastrophe like they'll probably have it as the first thing or something that's going to like. I don't know if I'm GONNA to die. It'll be the headline on Apple News and I looked at it and I also like crazy curation like they put weird stuff on Apple News and I one of the top stories was length of Middle Finger. Correlated with risk of death for corona virus. And then they have like a graphic and you were. Hold your hand up and you could see if you're middle. Ear was long enough to correlate with. Toronto VIRUS ISN'T IT? I don't even remember the joke. My nose hurt your fingernails that you can get your your sexual preference by the way you laughing nails about your your lady. You'RE A lady. Your Middle Finger is longer than your third finger. Then you're more likely to die of colonel or less. I can't remember state depends where you start counting. I guess yea from the measure from the baser or I started the taint it has to do something with testosterone. Oh always start from the balls. Otherwise it doesn't count for the balls doesn't count. That's that's yeah in these troubled times. I think I'm about nine hands tall. If I was a horse I'd be a kings arm. Yeah Kings Really. Make them happen again. As a unit of measurement. Is it like a Cuban? Yeah it's basically. Yeah so this is not I am not. This is not what would that. No I thought I thought it was elbow Max. Maximum about measurements. What's the cubit beats me you know about? Arc's I probably I. It was probably one of those things I had to learn Hebrew school. I think what is a cubit? What Cube it? Let's learn about Cuba. It's yeah I with you Anderson you're saying instead of having to equal to the length of a four kings arm accumulated equal the length of a forum. This is a cubit so instead of having some globalist one gram unit that sitting under a Bell Jar in France. Let's pay savannah change ally but it didn't have with the space shuttle where they messed up. Alexander's and their famous. Sorry Alex Cox isn't their famous story about them messing up a SPEC for something on the space shuttle where one group had it in metric and the other headed imperial or something. I are we talking about this. The challenger the sad rubberband story. Or I don't know why you think I know about spaceships space person with that haircut. I do and I'm really not space night and you thought about. Have you thought about becoming a nut? Have you thought about becoming like a civil war buff or maybe like like a pop? Science can turns out person. You think he'd enjoy Shankar. Vidana would you like to become a turns out person? What do you aspire to be? Yeah I well there's also different genres of turns out people. Now there's a Merlin turns out where it's like. You know how you should completely clean out your inbox that I definitely said exactly that ten years ago well actually and Malcolm glad well like And there's me I guess which is like an imperial furio says slash teenage military boy type of luck. Where I'm like I know a metric. Your metric furious cornered the market on something where it's nobody knows about it but it's easy to know about which I think are the to. Nobody knows about things because they're difficult to know about it. So I tried to become Benjamin Harrison expert for this very purpose and appeared in a documentary about him. But the trouble is like. There's not a lot to know about him but I still don't fully know most of it so they had like one line. I'd like I'd really into a custom windbreaker with Benjamin Harrison on it and I asked credited as Benjamin Harrison busiest appear to live. Yeah he was married. And that's it off but I have two things that I think are facts that I know about him. One of which is that he was twenty third. President actually three six three six. He was twenty two president Clinton and his family and he was called the pious moonlight dude when he went courting. And that's it that property investor protection. Okay that's GonNa Benjamin Harrison fact but yeah. I didn't know any of those things. So that's the log line. Now he's different from William Henry Harrison. The President I believe I believe Benjamin Harrison is the only president from Indiana Immune because we go to Indianapolis for for Gaming Convention every year? And there's unusual and there's an unusual amount of Benjamin Harrison sort of plaques and memorabilia so I've sort of extrapolated from that he's got to be the only if they had a better president than you'd see more middle. The Predator like to be called the general my you rape stone in his house. They have an impersonator like they really go for. Benjamin you can three D. landed in plastic. 'cause they have a free template online? The Benjamin Harrison historical site is really trying to make inroads the future. Good for them. Oh my gosh for going to do it why not lean into it really? What did he do and during his Presidency Olive? The Sherman Antitrust Act. I think during him but I could be wrong about it if you did a lot of the stuff with National Park. The Teddy Roosevelt gets credit for okay. Oh Teddy still valor. In that case Gave some lectures about how women might get vote soon. So here's some stuff. They should know about civic duty. I think was the reply. Get teammate try to help again. He was explained. Splaine guys always doing. This is how you punch the card you know and I think we all could use a little bit of that now like this is how you put on the stamp. This is the voter fraud. That's going to happen right. Oh you Alexandra you seem to not live your life on twitter. But you're very good on twitter. I and there was the wonderful Cova. Did know what was it. A Cova or a vote thing that twitter called trump out. Oh yeah it was coding thing. He's like it had. The mods spoke for the first time. Somebody somebody caught. Somebody called the lifeguard normal person on the on a forum where people were like. I modified this recipe and it didn't work out for me. Like just think how much the MAS would be fed up with their by now they just feel like this guy again like you can't believe it's weird like this is the first time and not like. Oh you know coming. Let's remember our Second Amendment folks. I hope they show up at this event and are you accused of Joe. Scarborough of like murdering an intern. Weekly thing like everyone was like no. This is just the thing the president does now. This is really the whistle. Yeah there there. I thought I went and saw because everyone was created such an uproar and then I went and looked like they marked his account they had a little icon. It was like a little Emoji and then it was like exclamation point and then a somewhat ambiguous. So yeah right. It was like he was like. I don't remember the tweet. It was like we can't do mail in voting because it's like insecure and then twitter put a little emoji below it and it was like click here to learn more about mail in voting and then I clicked on it and it brought you to a twitter moments about like just random idiots comments including Rana Rana mcdaniel in. Yeah so it basically takes you to a twitter moments of people talking about mail in voting the trump the sort of verified trump. Replies the like Sir like Dear Sirs Sir the serves and then you have and then you had the The the weird cultist trump people. Oh you get the you get the release your taxes. Orange Tito people. It was just it was all and it was it was it was wild and idea that then trump took that and it was like they're censoring my free speech like. Damn like that's like that was the most tap into this is this is absolutely a no no one. No one did well in this. There's not a single person who did well in every part of it sucks it all it. All it sucks but you know it's weird. How like I you know on this program. Alexandra we we we. We got a little bleak like a pretty long time ago. So we're not in the habit of saying we've got this time. We'll do that but but I do feel like in the last week or so just on the twitter front. I think he's I think he's escalating his where he is a little bit. I think twitter is actually getting crazier. I think it's being a little bit crazy. Even if he is escalating shit. Like everyone still takes the bait every time it completely high Jackson National Conversation. It's a very successful strategy. Like I think we'll probably ride that out until election day and then he'll get reelected. That's my guess escalating. Ever since he first got there at trump tower. Later this rapists boy. It's never gonNA end. Is it Monka? Twenty twenty four can't see enough on that onto where we mad at Oscar Isaac sputters. Joe Why are we met So maxine maxine hot. Take on this. I don't know who you're talking about. Okay good for you I'm trying to be less online but I love to know about this Alexander try. Do you have any insight on why we're mad at the Joe Hat Oscar? Isaac is a lovely talented and a tractive individual. But I don't know what the controversy is so while it must be nice talking about privilege. Nice to be able to tune out at Oscar. Isaac was walking around being fucking human being and he had a hat on with the word Joe on it and I went to the twitter moment and of course the first thing I'm GonNa see in the twitter moment is Oh my God. I thought I had died. Or whatever you always say. Oh God oh my God the The element hydrogen is trending must have died anyway. So you go in their Oscar. He's got Joe Hat and these mad everybody's mad and it's all just blackley reaction shifts All the way down and I it was like the Wu. Who's he supposed to support right now? Max is what your take. Who Should Oscar Isaac Repeal? Because then I can see it all love that guy. That was your court. I would recommend that people stop paying attention to politics and learn magic tricks. That's my voice. We needed today going well for me. I'll probably vote. Oh okay all right leaning. I'm leaning towards it back to lean toward that's good. We'll see we'll see how busy I am. We'll see what happens all right. Let's start the show as tell us about your toss can ask about your book. What was going on with your book. It's coming out in a week. Although apparently arrive in the mail already. And it's it's funny it's sort of like I joke into people that it's like you want Do you hate being stuck in the fire hop into the frame. Upn It's like. Oh I thought they were bad but it turns out they were pretty bad but also even more so now why why do you why do you think it is the broken people like us? Keep pressing that Bruce. What what is it that we find in contemporary satire or reading against the grain? What does it mean for you as a writer and for your readers? What's what brought us to where we are. Why are we like this? Doesn't like Song Lyrics. Broken people pressing against the bruise reading against the grain. I'm like I WANNA get guitar. Also set these to music but part of it. Just like the only way of describing. What's going on now in a way? That feels all close to getting to. What's happening is if you're pointing out constantly that it's completely absurd but also not super funny and that e Sometimes when he was writing straight news story. It's hard to do that because you want quoting. The president's like the president said something and it sounds like maybe a sentence that a person would say which it never is actual correct correct grammar and punctuation and they take out all the bananas so you. It's completely free of context and they just quoted as something that's like a normal person would say no. I don't know you wind up. Sometimes I think an actual more accurate representation of it instead of just like the straightforward account with your inverted pyramid is to be like no. This is a nightmare. Fairytale SCI FI horror. It's a weird genre confabulation. I don't know what's going on accepted this happening in real life so I don't know or maybe people just like to have somebody yelling along the news with do you. Do you think that this era has been Like this is something I like to. I ask anyone who's like I'm interested to get people's thoughts who have to be funny for a living like. Is this a good era for comedy and a good era for like political satire? Like I I have a hard time like like we're in it but it doesn't like we're struggling yet it. I don't think it is. I actually think it's like the opposite because the things are happening. I I to get back to everything. Absurd but nothing is funny. It's like if there weren't people inside all of this stuff that's happening. Who are having to suffer the actual consequences of all of this stuff. You could be like. Oh Wow it's funny that anyone would say that but it's like the old babies being pushed down a flight of stairs or real babies so it's not like it's hard to laugh at that if your ordinary compassionate human being so it's you have to try to figure out like is there some way of making a joke. The doesn't laugh at the people who are severely hurt. And that's incredibly difficult always to be like the. This is ridiculous but it has consequences so I think it just. It's a bad time to be alive. Full stop but it's also a bad time to be making jokes. Peter from wait wait. Don't tell me has a great theory. He is one of my favorite theories about this. Which is normally when you satirized. You try to take something. That's absurd about their character. And then you exaggerate to an unrealistic degree so like Bill Bill Clinton right. He's like you make them like extra horny and extra smooth and he becomes this like I figure like what would you take from? How could you make trump bigger than what it? There's nothing to exaggerate like he already is a projection. That is bigger than what he is like. Everything is like reality image and anything you throw at him it. He absorbs it. He's like the expanding man and he just gets bigger and bigger and every whatever people come up with any sort of insult or anything it's like the man has no dignity so it somehow it just all you could succeed in low bringing yourself down to his level and he's very comfortable there. I I don't know it's a it's a weird. It sucks yeah into right. It's like I always. I was reading more in peace. Because I'm like I don't have any childcare responsibilities and therefore I'm like maybe if I read it things will end. They said that you should read more and everyone just went the entire book talking about Napoleon but don't like to point i. The analogy is not quite correct. That everyone's like is there every century? There's just one person who sort of avoid himself and is maybe good at one or two things like getting media coverage or military tactics and everyone just spent their entire lives writing novel after novel thinking speaking. And there's like all we can do is talk about this guy because I can't figure him out and like you look back in the ninety injury and there's just reams and reams and reams of writing about this guy and I wonder if we're sort of in a similar strategy like that or am I just so desperately to tell people that I've read were in that I've created this allergy. Could it also be. Oh is this your first time? I I mean I wouldn't I wouldn't I skipped. I skipped all the whaling chapters moby. Dick I'm the worst chapters chipper nine warns says the person who summarizes books. I feel like this is the thing the thing that we've been saying all along here or at least I feel like trump at twitter twitter and trump. It's like no matter where I go for the longest time it was all twitter and all trump and part of that is that like I used to really like twitter. But there's something about the combination of twitter and trump where they are. They're turning into this. This as you say Max. Growing Rat. King and they get more and more intertwined. What was the headline yesterday? Exactly what Alexander said. There's an exclamation point and a line here. Twitter and trump trump and twitter. And it's like it's making me insane and Max. How are you doing with staying off? Twitter is that's still going well I I'm I'm reading most. I'm reading twitter much less per day which I can see in my screen time like I'm I'm trying to make it not the thing I do when I don't know what else to like the the spackle of your day where you just have a minute and then you go on twitter and see what people are mad about. I'm trying but I'm not like here's one of the one of the issues. Like where else are you supposed to go to find out what the fuck is going on like it sort of eaten? It's sort of eating all of the other news. I mean yeah it's it's a bad it's in addition all the other problems in the world but I think it's a pretty rough time for news. There's too much information and not enough information at the same time. I think also like local news is really suffering and that's one of the most usual areas of news you can possibly have because it tells you. How are the businesses taking advantage of your community and all of that kind of accountability journalism and everything sort of getting hollowed out? The only way for me to know what's happening in my neighborhood is like sort of random neighborhood busybodies who have twitter accounts who like post about the business of what's going on in our neighborhood or in Chicago and some of them are anonymous as well that they have like you know like you know lex. Chicago bars or something like that. And it's just like some dude who just like putting your like. I don't know I have no idea who this dude is or what his sources are. But it's like there is no like like every single local neighborhood level like reporting. Chicago's she's been decimated laid off so it's very hard to art like the one that I always want is wiser a helicopter over my house right now and where do you. What would you like? Sometimes there's a helicopter over your house and you're like what the Hell's going on. There's a really good. I mean that's what helped with your might help you with the helicopter. There's a really cool. I'm sorry I brought us down to this level Syria shortcut where you can talk to. You dingus and you say hey dingoes. What's overhead and in a look for the closest Airplane or aircraft. You should try it out though it'd be funny because he was flying over your house. I'm not sure I like that. But that's kind of cool. Yeah I don't know like there was. There was one I went to look up the other day. I heard I was out walking in the neighborhood and I heard a loud explosion like much bigger than a firework and I thought maybe it was like a building demolition or a car crash or something inside went on local twitter. Because that's where like how they isn't it weird. Like where else would you possibly go next? I'm sorry you don't have next door. I mean I just the worst I can't. I know I stopped. No I won't do it now. Twitter's better twitter is less bad the next door even even during cove it still. It's still I think. Every it's Anna Karenina like everybody's GonNa have the worst next door for their own reasons so like for us yet. Still coyotes. It's still a It's it's still very very obscure racism and and someone stole my back on my next door. It's not very obscure racism. People will literally post like I saw black man walking down the street and they said no one was supposed to be in the area. It's pretty it's pretty upsetting I. I won't I won't look at it anymore. Show so I went on two hundred to find out what exploded and Alex. It's that metal the metal facility. That's across the river from the office and it exploded and they had to call a has met team. Yeah and it's it's shutdown. Oh my gosh yeah. It's like an EPA disaster parking now. This was like a week ago. No it's Jenner. Look Jerrell it was bad was like dudes in general iron in the whole you know like Monsters Inc. They want to twenty three nineteen Alexander before we started recording. I was a being being fan boy and talking about how I enjoy your work and I do. I feel like for me. You're up there with somebody like I said like Jia Tolentino or Isaac Chatanooga or Certainly David David Roth. Who's doing the writing that you enjoy and find compelling right now on the topics that you can just in general like who who in the media columnists who's doing work specifically writing you enjoy right now? You just mentioned a couple of I always although I really I think chocolate I'm like oh. My Gosh someone's got like never hurt. Hearing his name. My heart starts beating. He's like he's like the guy in inglorious bastards where I just don't ever want to run into this week. I think about that every time. Now something goal so yeah sorry. I totally totally for sure. I always love like tapping Profiles of people. I'm always like this is going to be a journey no matter what and I'm GonNa feel compassionate and I'm going to look at things in a new way Katie Weaver crushing it. I also like there's people that the post that I'm like really into home team like yeah. Monica has mortgage. It gives like represent. Volunteers did that was naming the style section. Now Still Philip. Bump will come in there to provide some context and a graphic that helps me explain something pretty well. Sometimes I think he or his editors are somebody has a good year for. That's the thing right yeah he. He'll he'll like sometimes. Just drop in with this thing to provide context for something. I need so much of that right now and I feel like they have a good year for knowing when to hop in and give context. I also like I really love reading criticism. I really missed Roger Ebert. I'm like where did he go? Because I would always know like like whenever I knew what I thought about something. I would always want to see what he thought about it. And I'm like this is sad but like us Ryan McDonald fills that void a little bit. I she she's awesome crushing it and I dunno for laughs. I still subscribe to the Schechner chapter from Daniel elaborate. So that's what is so. It was like they rented the toast. Daniela Oh yes. Of course. What if what if phones? I miss the toast. I'll give special place to nothing beautiful. It's but yeah I really appreciate it everything that it did and I'm glad to. I feel some of the great. Some of the great like sentences like great pieces but sometimes it's the sentence you can't get out of your mind only brought speaking of people that I'm like. I appreciate the time like all of the way. Clean all the things it feels like it should have existed in the world and just like. It's just so perfect. I always like to twitter. And you Google search alley brush numbers like thinking of album. Brush really appreciating Allie. Put their. She's doing okay. Yeah this is really random but I kind of feel like this is during Cova lockdown that I discovered apetit kitchen and I kept hearing about it from my friends and I thought Oh my God. I'm already such normal dad like I don't need another thing like that in my life but I instantly imprinted on that show and those hosts and like to quit the big Lebowski you know. Sometimes there's a man sometimes. There's a man of his time. The kitchen really fill the role. I didn't know I needed in my life. That combination of those these new friends online now and they're each different and like a super team and the One lady like we just made her the Baking Lady. We just made her Biscuits her for. She's I'm sorry we just made her Biscuits and but like I love all these people and they're all different. There's guidelines pickle things that combination of like nerdy supergroup each got their own personality that I feel way about twitter. We're like well. It mostly all sucks except for my little friends. Who Don't know me and I love them and like I don't need them to know me and love me but I'm so glad they're they're in every day. I love to just go check in. Just David David Ruffin particularly just his taste in what to re tweet like what to say about it. Actually Feinberg I mean Taylor Lawrence. There are people out there who like any other moment would their job of been finding. Sebastian Gorka Amazon wishlist. Like who does that? That stroke of genius so good man know the Internet can be good. Sometimes I guess let's assume the cast. What a brave volt stance. Thank you for your happy. Father's Day there isn't. There's not really a new Roger. Ebert is there. I was thinking about like isn't it? Isn't it a good feeling when you sometimes I'll go watch a movie like I will watch for the first time an older movie and then after it's done and I'm thinking about it I will realize? Ooh There's probably a evert review of this movie of it. Yeah exactly and I can. I can go get the correct opinion about this film. Like forget what I think like. What's the right thing to think about it man? There isn't really. There's not really. A new criticism is not in the in the does not occupy the same place in our culture. I guess you know he had. He had a handful of famous. Takes the did not age. Well they were. Kinda lame at the time and did not age. Well but are we GONNA cancel. Roger Ebert canceled. No but like you know. This is taken video games was a little bit silly even by my standards but pretty. I mean he was such he had such an against an is such an ear for recognizing something that needed to be written about. And that's that's such a gift that we don't even realize how few people have that really well just is of course the all the way down to like his stuff like fruit card and all the cliches and movies and like I think. I think you're right. Max I don't know who I don't know who Ebert is now. Criticism is another thing. That's sort of suffered in journalism. Used to have like. Oh like yours all kinds of people reviewing stuff and now I'm like I don't where where's the there's so much content but where's all the criticism but maybe there's sound yes? Absolutely people are looking. I think people often just looking for an advocate. They're looking for somebody. Like I mean not not to be Brodry Everett here but like if mostly what's out? There are the blockbusters that can get created the tent pole ten movies a year for a studio or whatever I mean. What are you really? I think vendors endgame was okay like it was. It was a good movie. It's fun movie. It's cool but like I don't know what what do you have to say about that? It's not ultimately about either the medium medium or on how fans act about like. What is there to say? He looked good. That guy from no country it was really good as the purple man. What he what do you say about it versus you? Look at a show like a podcast called the watch the or even like the the just instills podcast with Tim. Goodman which recently ended he good time TV talk machine but in about the medium or the way that like the show upgrade has become increasingly about you know streaming media. That's a more interesting conversation in some ways than how the purple man did in the movie. I think that's why a lot of critics are struggling because people react. They don't just react to media differently. They're consuming it in completely different ways so the reaction is different based on like I mean. I don't know if people are watching tiger king for the first time this moment are freaking out as much as we all did like how much of that is. Like guys thing is are. We just excited to watch something together again. Like because game of thrones was a year ago so now we don't watch anything at the same time and there's really I'm kind of going back through births old stuff because I'm such a nerd. But like he wrote an amazing thing about babe pig in the city to babe pig in the city. See even butch butchered has had lime. Wow butchered semantic. Oh and I mean. We were all in the movie theater watching Bay big big in the city. And it's I mean I'm sure Emily Nussbaum is I think. She talked about this in her new book. Like at the end of it. But it's like we are at a time where we don't even know what media is we should critique lake. Are we going to talk about you? Alexandra the story you wrote about trump or the fact that trump featured it or the White House featured in a press release as news like the onions are just. There's just too much and then your eyes start to water and you girl up into will little ball and hide under your desk the lyrics that I want set that to music I I found the amazing Ebert quote. I liked babe for all the usual reasons but I like babe pig in the city more and not for any of any of the usual reasons because here is a movie. Utter utterly bereft of usual reasons and like this is so beautiful. There was George Miller. Right you're Llosa neck period. Two fast two furious adrift his logger. I it's the they've just gotten they just got up to the podcast of a lot. Check has been doing Miller movies. And it's been just just terrific and you look at what that guy did. And just the the boldness of him like this movie. Basically I made a comic book of what the movie is Doesn't really have a script. Something's GonNa Happen. Act Like you're looking at flames over here. Also these guys were pulls spicy cars. Oh and by the way toe cutter from the I max movie. He's back but now but now he's a man with some kind of problem and bottlecaps showing up for that or be like Zoe Kravitz. Okay firefighter so much that saw it and then I just turn back around and went into the theater and saw it again like I really loved it. I had the same experience. Might my we were visiting with my wife's family so they were watching our daughter who is really young. At the time we had a date night I was like can we please July of that year I was like. Can we please please please please go see mad? Max Please I was so pumped and I just remember sitting there button fire and all the cars come over from around behind you and I was like Oh my God Oh my God the higher movie. I like my head was pounding with excitement for that. The experience of that watching it at home. It's really good speed racer another one speed racer at home is really better than everybody thinks movie but seeing it in. I Max is like it's such a different experience to your point. Alex like which experience are we talking about? Are we talking about a qube but the lady with the arm like what are we talking about? How do you even get at that? What the handled that suitcase or are we fighting about whether or not? It's a feminist film and like all those shakes jumble on screen and I I like. I'm traveling back in time now. To how excited I was about fury road and I think I literally saw twice in one day as as well and then went to see the black and white version because Oh my God why of course he's got this weird super cut hell. Yeah and then you come out of it. And it's you're responding to the media consumption of the media and then the takes on the consumption of the media and I'm not saying that that's bad but I don't know if Roger Ebert how he would have responded to that now like I wonder if he would've just kinda become kind of an old crank sort of like I like mad solar sites a lot he is he seems very nice human but I don't think the sort of classic I don't know the the classically cinematic hot takes really exists especially after birth movies. Death is kind of like petering out and stuff like that but I. I don't use from a different time. I mean the fact that he was a screenwriter like the fact that he wrote a script he he came from my Canada the An era where rock and roll had reached maturity and become important. I just think I think there was two things. I think it used to be that not. Everyone could publish their opinion about something and so the people who could publish their opinions. It was more special. Like read. Someone's opinion about something because you didn't just have this like infinite stream of everyone's opinions about everything that's become like super Super commodified the other thing is like it to me. I I like criticism. That's about aesthetics riders. Who are able to say like I like this. And here's what this thing is trying to do and I I like it or I don't like it and I think a lot of what passes for Chris. Social media criticism and people like getting into arguments about media is people. Want to have like an unassailable position. They WANNA THEY WANNA like have this fortress of opinion that they live in where it's like if it's not that like I have an aesthetic judgment and if you have an judgment it's like mine is the morally correct position. And if you don't agree with me we have like an ethical. We don't see eye to eye like ethically that's like no fun. I mean maybe maybe it's right. Maybe it's the future. Maybe that's like how we're going to talk about you. Know I don't know books and movies and stuff from now on but it's fun. It's not as fun as talking about aesthetics one blog just reviews is it science in films or typefaces. Fonts and here. It's also interesting. How like it's so funny when you say something like twitter or you say Youtube. I wish I could rephrase that as my twitter my friends on twitter or my friends on. Youtube. You know my little friends like because you say Youtube and you just think of you know whatever whatever but like I think of like somebody. Like movies with Mikey. Where like I really something something that my friend John's Syracuse introduced me to which is like he does. He does a movie and he talks about like what he's excited about. In the movie. Very high production values is really cool. And he's an exemplar of something. That's become very important to me. Like Roger Ebert was which is. I don't always agree with this person. On maybe some level. I don't know maybe they liked that. I did or whatever but I'm super interested in what they have to say about it. That to me is a content creator that I can enjoy. Is Somebody who without regard to what it is that they're talking about. I'm there for their voice which I think in. The pivot quickly is one reason podcasts. He pretty well as you get your little friends. And they're your friends in your ears. And that's that's just the best and like we don't need in in in in the same way that we did in nineteen seventy five and back. Then you need somebody to be the arbiter to be the gatekeeper. As he sort of said Max to be the person who lets you now this is. This is an important movie. Like I am not Janet Maslin but Who was the lady in the seventies? But you know somebody like an even more than Ebert somebody who can tell you. This is an important movie. We don't have a role for that anymore. We're more I'm more interested this today and somebody's enthusiasm then in their desire to tell me like is this is a big thing in the real thing. I love those little voices. Also the movies themselves. This is the big movie like you got to see like you might even see a bunch of more like I guess I have to see endgame. Johnson thought that a lot of people around me seem to be having even if they hadn't been watching it and I'm just like how do we all agreed this was? I feel like there's almost the the gates have been flooded already to use the like. It's weird how the gave the actually happens that way. Different part of the process. It's not like after you've made the movie it's way before your move even gets to be made that the gates keeping sort of there there. I think it's I think it's exploiting the movie studios like understand that. There's like a huge portion of the public that want to that basically their hobby is like putting their opinions and their cure curing their things and talking about them online and so these studios are vying to get a piece of that. And they're like well. You're not shit if you post about movies. You're not shit if you don't post about our movie and so I think you're totally right of like they have this event based marketing. Where it's like you know. Are you going to be one of the people who sees the Star Wars at the right time on the right night and then there's also a controversy marketing? Where people make it like like? I'm not entirely convinced like whenever there's like a like a woman superhero and. There's this huge uproar and then counter uproar. I'm not convinced that some of that is manufactured or amplified by that part of that isn't the marketing of the film. But I but I think it's hard for me to imagine I just like it's gotten to be such a predictable cycle of like okay. They're going to do a woman superhero and then there's going to be this one group of people that gets mad and this other group of people who gets mad that there's people that are mad and they're going to have it out and it's going to be then it's this act of politics of like no. I'm I'm going to see the woman superhero movie like I'm I don't worry I'm a good person. You need to be an ally. I saw it be an ally for the IP lady. Yeah no I saw. I'm good don't want. I bought an extra ticket. I bought an extra ticket in my grandmother's memory. I wish for this to Wendy when the conversation like hopefully Sunday was no this movie like female superhero and also was a shitty movie. We can always April beautiful day fighter but yet we should just make a lot of crappy movies women that I miss. Crappy MOMS Moonshot Weirdo eighties and nineties. Movies he just they're not gonNA sorry his old man talk but there's just so many small movies that were just really fucked up and weird and just not going to happen anymore. I don't think I don't think you're GONNA get a Pulitzer today. Well Book Smart Bookmarks Nine Smart Book. Smart bookmark I went. I went back and watched. I won't back and watch total recall recently and I was thinking like that's an example of the kind of movie that that I don't I like I'm not smart enough to say what it is about that movie. That is so weird that makes it so like except for seven right. Yes Paul Villanova. And it's the it's the one where Schwarzenegger gets the memory of the Mars vacation. Yeah it's it's so silly silly movie but also he so horny he's really warning ends like super super well executed but for like I. It's like there's a lot wrong with it but also taking a big swing i. I don't know it's like the like all. The marvel movies are on most senses. The much better movies than total recall. But they're also smooth paste. It's just it's like slurry of entertainment that I don't really remember like I remember every time that Arnold Schwarzenegger like killed someone with a chainsaw and our total recall. I don't remember any events in any marvel movie like say greatly like I was so excited by cats. We're to come out of the studio system and somehow nobody noticed that this was happening so many people had to make decision for this to be the way it is so many people had either affirmatively or passively say this is okay and just got moving through the pipeline. It's incredible like was high. We were all shouting and waving phones. Jennifer or Jennifer. Hudson was singing. It was the Snot all the SNOT. Gosh like she was a different movie and that was fine. The moment when rebel Wilson. Unzips what you thought was her for. That was long. Somebody had taken a phone in the theater and shot that and put it up like the Wiki that we're gonNA came out. I just watched it that loop that over I she eats the roaches and then she gets up and she does and I was like I. I don't know what I'm watching like. I wish they had done it with like they were just doing. Cats cats doing cat movements. But I know it's wholesale is like the choreography but still I would have liked to watch really good. Cgi cats instead of like the weird cat. People HYBRID LIKE HOUSE CATS. Son's house cats quite fully door. I mean I would be on board though it would be amazing. There should be more movies with cats. The shed Max if you got any progress on buying tiger have you looked into that anymore. Veronica was not well but the Tigers bad. Yeah I think I think actually yeah. There is another update it's welcome. I think a lot of people had this experience. I started watching tiger king in the first half hour of watching tiger king. I was like I should get a tiger. It's very attainable for me. Like because they're all talking about that you can go out and get one of these things for two thousand dollars and I was like well Shit. I can get a tiger and then the more you watch tiger king. I think it probably did a pretty good job convincing me. That wouldn't be a good thing for my lifestyle just because it's does not make assumptions. Oh you took it might take away was gonNA get tiger. I'm like that was really. I think a lot of people watch you start watching it and you watch all these people buying when you're looking at the tiger cubs and they're buying them and you're like man that would be. Maybe I should get a tiger. That'd be cool. That'd be a cool interesting thing about me if I had a tiger. Well I if tigers are only a couple thousand dollars slot them. I then downgraded to the sugar glider. Here's what happened with that. It Veronica's not a fan sweet. Little Sugar Glider Name Potato. Cute can no they make sound? That's very upsetting to the Senate hacking hacking cry. Oh and they're nocturnal. So they make the sound all night. I mean that's basically a cat that flies at the baby. And then also the other thing is they they. I was thinking that it would eat berries. Sort of adorable. Like maybe I'd feed it like raspberries they eat grubs and worms and cockroaches and things like that and so Veronica pointed that out. She's like are you going to get the live critters and feed the sugar glider? The by pets your pets. Yes exactly I was like and I was like well. No and I was like. Would you do that? And she's like I don't want it to begin with so I just kept it downstairs. You keep it downstairs potato could just live in your studio. I would still need to have a special container of grubs defeat Chicago in the forceps in that I have to feed the sugar glider. The Oh Max when we feed our bearded Dragon Horn worm. He so cute because we feel it's so cute. You should get that get something you can feed that just moved for the Kerry satisfying well. And when you get something like feeding alive grub to a bearded dragon. There's just something about it. That's very dark and satisfying because they just are still at peace than so happy and just seeing them like rip it apart and it's like oh I just end. I helped end a life but they seem cool. This is actually is actually extremely dark. A Deli -tainer. This is so fucked up. I freely admit this is super fucked up. You get a deli -tainer. It's got holes in the LID. The LID is taped on because the LID. Let me get this right yeah. The LID is actually going to be sort of the floor. So when you turn it over. So what would be the bottom of the bill? Tanner is this gross light brown rudimentary paste. There's a ladder. And there's twenty five tiny horn worms on the little ladder. And they climb up there and they eat the rudimentary paste and shit down into the LID. And then sometimes you and in this Lacob you just keep in the closet and let me leave Yes yes you will soon grow row quite quite rotund giant comedy tweezers. You grab them and then you feed them to another animal. It's fucked up. I'm not I'm not like I haven't I thought about it a lot but I'm not one hundred percent. Sure that the sugar gliders deserves to live more than the GRUB I mean. That's like you're doing. That's a very confident moral calculus if you're fattening up the grubs to feed the sugar glider he feed the GRUBS you've for sure decided that the sugar glider is more important than the GRUBS and. I'm not sure I'm not that sure about Pat. Who only ever had like as an adult? I've only ever had animals in my living space like not on purpose so I had like a mouse one time because I got the bread security adequate way I had some spiders people love. Though there were like the spiders they might be eating something else. It's good that I have them Living in a high standard of cleanliness might have played the mouth and wanted to do one of those traps. That isn't a mean trapped and so I read online at an I built as elaborate Rube Goldberg contraption had a bucket and I had a yard that went up to the lip of the bucket and I read that mice. Just go absolutely wild for peanut butter so I took an empty beer. I smeared peanut butter. All around with my suspended from wire in. You're supposed to suspended from a wire like over a full bucket of water. In the mouth supposed to fall off the can after it's being enticed by the peanut butter and drown in the water but didn't let it to fall in the bucket and I will deal with it but it might just break some little mouse book. I was like this. Contraption is beneath me never used it in the bread so somebody he points of failure in that particular route and in the marvel goes down and pushes the toaster beneath me. I call a named Joan Belgium because at some bread and disappears. My husband's like this is why I don't believe that you are fundamentally cleaned person at heart because like you tell me these stories about your spiders in your mouth. As though they're like fun anecdotes to share your living doesn't have to mean that maybe you're like to say a piper. Maybe maybe you're some kind of a fantastic creature. The Unicorn wants to put its head and your maybe the spiders are going GonNa do your bidding. Have you thought of that now? Now thought it and my prettiest kill well jolly GIG DUCK. Speaking of living spaces challenge this week. Google walk into the challenge challenge. This week was to make a nest or afford or Muslim nest. Because Max as usual the challenge comes out of our discussions and Max had created for himself a heated blanket nest in his home studio workshop metric Dungeon and he wanted us to go and do likewise whom who had the best nest I I've I've Supplemented my I realized that. In order to really take advantage of the nest and enjoy it. I had to implement further home automation things in my house so I have a new device. Now that's plugged into my basement. That's probably mining bitcoin for some Chinese hackers but it it switches my such as my stereo receiver inputs so I can stay in the nest and not have to get up and press the buttons on the receiver. God Oh my God. Wow is speaking goal very mounts. That's pretty subtle there will. What is the one like? Give me a concrete example. You're on the couch. What what buttons are you needing to push that? You're now pushing him from the couch. Well I've got. I've got like my switch plugged in to the TV. I've got my apple TV. And I see and then I have and then I have my and then I also have my computer plugged. I like everything. Basically plugged into this receiver. So basically what you've done is you've taken out the role of an input button on a remote but the remote. The receiver is in a closet. Now there's actually makes a ton of sense I gotta say the receivers in a closet and it's an I. Are Remote and so I can't remote. There's a wall so I have to get up to leave my nest walk into the closet. Open the door get the remote and then hit the button and the other problem is my receiver is like a little too smart for its own. Good where sometimes I'll tell it. Please put the Nintendo switch on and then it will battle me. It's like a B- we enter a contest of the wills where it's like. No I think you really want the record planner and it's starts to switch because it's maybe it's thinks it's getting audio from something else. I also you've got you've got namespace pollution with words like TV and switch right. We're like this command not to be a nerd about this. But there's like you know hailing phrases in command phrases and you know what I mean. It's like we switched to the switch kissing switch switch to the TV what TV Apple TV to watch apple TV plus Apple TV with the TV APP. Also like I have like four. Computers plugged into my receiver in no television. So it's all it's like everything is like I also remember like okay. This computer is cable and this computer is antenna. It's like nothing is built for my Seta. I'm living in a world that's not made for me. People don't respect your lifestyle choices. Don't worry it gets better. I JUST WANNA lie. I just want but here since we're on video this'll be good for our listeners. I show you the nest. Oh Wow cool. So that's my that's messed. Oh my God saw little. Flannel blanket is heated. It's plugged into an outlet on the floor under the couch. Do Fit on that count. It looks a little bit Michael Scott in its wander. I'm very petite. I'm I'm a small businessman. Man You are small. That's funny guy on that couch. Great I take a nap on there without being curled up curl but you're right small business so I think it's probably average. It's not a a lot of people. You Okay so you mostly pimped out your nest. I can go I. I want to go Alexandra do you want to go. I'm like minded filled with newspapers. Which felt right for me as a sort of ask you a Gerbil. Yeah that's a lot like the sugar glider. Esi that I kind of want to push onto a chair before I show it to you. Somebody else should have to do that if you don't want to. Yeah you don't have to show. That's not part of mines even more embarrassing. You're probably going to see my shorts. American sense not be underwear British pants monstrosity. That's minus there. But I went through this which is also my bed and I went through the whole complex thing of I wanNA heated blanket. But then my spouse couldn't get heated blanket because the cat claws get into it and then our apartment would start on fire which is an ideal your landlord hate. That would be very confused. Why you have cats. I would prefer you not do things that. Change the temperature of the apartment. That's not well. Alexandra other Alexandra I Alexandra has has a unique relationship with their landlord is a first time landlord. He doesn't really know how to Lord over us in that he just orders appliances. That don't actually fit into our kitchen. We were not allowed to hang things on the wall curtains. Where no we could. We can have curtains but they were here before we were so those have been there for. Yeah those are legacy curtains but eventually I found a place that would sell me a wedge that like will be put on my bed so I can make it into a little league reading Nook so right now that I stack a bunch of pillows and I this this technology right here is a whole wait. Wait wait so you put the CIA. So and then it's like you're lying in bed like this. There's a little place to for your phone because normally you know I I fall asleep with my phone against my face in sadness and but no now. Now it's just legend in this little monstrosity. I go and I read a thing the other day that Salvador Dali would do an exercise where he would Stay awake until he was exhausted. And then he would sit down. He would sort of slumped over in a chair and he would hold a a spoon in his hand and he would have a serving tray on his lap and he would wait to fall asleep in as soon as he fell asleep. The spoon withdraw and it would hit the train. He would startle. And in that. When you start on your wake up real quick you have like a crazy hallucination. From from starting to fall asleep and that was like a part of his methods he was like then would like sketch the whose nations that he would have and I realized I do that to myself about three times a week because I fall asleep like this with the IPAD and I start to drift off with the IPAD secret Spaniard. You get a black guy from doing that. Oh Yeah Yeah it's not. It's not good how much I do that. I'm trying to cram in a little more. A little more content in them just remembered for bed little bit more content. Does this this this juicy grubs? They're almost ripe for the harvest and my mouth before I fall asleep. Alex can I ask You a question? Yes the wedge allege that you put into a usually a bed to able to sit up. What do you call that a bad wage? I truly have no idea My friend made up this term. I think she probably didn't but she would refer to it as a husband and I always thought that was a fun name for it. The thing you put in bed to be able to like sit up and read. Have you ever heard that term hundred kilos? Those are the ones who the big arms in the sort of square head all that. That's like almost like the anime pillow that you would get sort of like a floppy waving inflatable fun. That's it no. I'm trying in fact I'm trying to find a husband pillow on the Internet right now and Uh oh I see I see okay soon that I see the okay. That's different than okay. What is a husband pillow? A husband pillow is is like the thing that's like a regular pillow just has little arms next to it. This isn't evolution of what we used to call a husband. Is there something that this pillow is doing that? I should be doing a husband the Shit. Ya Oh just listen right. Just listen our support. I mean the. That's that good listener lumbar support. Veronica doesn't want advice she just wants you to listen what what is husband. Why is it a pillow? Have an arm like just a sort of a rogue arm swing around an off brand new boyfriend. Hilo be gradations of Cologne. It's just like huge in a man's like all the way up to Tina phase Brownie boyfriend like you go all the way. Up The ladder to the level of various. You'd like an pillows like do anything different. Let's good idea my my friend in Canada. My friend in Canada Pillow Ruppel pillow right now and like detachable parts and like whoa what should be a system of my.