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98. What Motivated the Apostle Paul? Part 4 of 5.

Magnify Him Together

20:30 min | 3 months ago

98. What Motivated the Apostle Paul? Part 4 of 5.

"Ooh low everyone. This is caleb osborne with episode number ninety eight of the magnify him together. Podcast this week. I am very excited to share with you. The fourth episode of our series where we are trying to find out what motivated the apostle paul last week. We saw how excited. Paul was with the progress of the gospel today. We're going to look at another factor. That motivated paul to work for christ the love of the brethren as you'll see this week's topic is very closely to last week's but whereas last week we saw paul focus on the progress of the gospel message and on his mission to extend the truth of crisis to as many people as possible and to as many places as possible this week. We're going to focus a little more on paul's specific love for his brethren and sisters how he tried to share the gospel with them because he not just what the gospel but he cared about the people to whom he was preaching the gospel. And we're gonna see how he exemplified the self sacrificing love that focuses on the salvation of others. Now we've discussed at length in in several episodes about the impact that paul's persecution of the saints prior to his conversion had on his life in christ. When you think of paul's life before he was converted it was focused on hurting the brothers and sisters in christ he had them killed. Hit put in prison. He tore apart their families and that was something that affected him immensely. Throw his life after his conversion. Paul actually had a lot of trouble reconciling with the brothers and sisters who had persecuted when he went down to jerusalem after his conversion took barnabus coming along and convincing the brothers and sisters to accept him because and took a lot of time to convince the brothers and sisters. That paul really had changed and that whereas it used to be their enemy now he was going to be the champion and their friend. And so paul is is a wonderful picture of the transforming power of the love of god because paul recognized that the love and mercy and the grace that he had been shown in god reaching out and saving him allowed paul to turn around and show that love to his brothers and sisters to also help save them. And so when you look through. Paul's life this team comes up all over the place very motivated to help his brothers and sisters because he loves him so much. He wants to help them get to the kingdom. And that's i think is really powerful for all of us. We all have relationships with our friends. Our family members people in our ecclesia in other classes. And you know knowing how to love them whether it's because you don't want to difficult situation or if the people who are trying to love are difficult love paul's example could be really helpful couple of versus just to start us off to get the general idea of what paul felt toward his brothers and sisters and how he acted towards them. Second timothy two verse. Ten paul says therefore i endure all things for the sake that they may also obtain the salvation. Which is in christ jesus with attornal glory. So paul says i will endure anything. I'll injure things for the sake of my brothers and sisters why he says i'll do whatever it takes. So they can obtain the salvation which is in christ. Jesus his. i'll do whatever it takes all injure all things and keep that because one of the last verses we're gonna talk about is going gonna use that same phrase to describe love. Okay enduring all things now. I rather colossians chapter one in verse. Twenty eight a. has a similar idea. I'm going to be from the weymouth translations. i think it gives a really clear emphasis. Paul says we preach jesus admonishing everyone and instructing everyone with all possible wisdom so that we may bring everyone into god's presence being made perfect through christ so paul says everything we do as we're preaching we're admonishing where instructing we're doing it with the best way we can because we want to bring everyone into god's presence paul karen getting people into the keenum getting people to get to know god and christ in acts twenty. Six paul is on trial before grip and agrippa is is getting nervous because paul's preaching starting to hit home and somebody says paul. Almost you persuading me to be a christian. And paul says oh agrippa i would to god that not just you but everyone standing here could be a christian like i am could have the same relationship with christ that i have the same hope that i have paul really wanted. People have relationship with god. Because god love is focused on god is focused on helping people get to the kingdom now. We're very familiar with this. Probably when it comes to paul's life is too common theme that may be aware of and one of the equations. To whom paul was the closest was the ecclesia at thessalonica pod. A very good good positive strong relationship with brothers and sisters there and it was to them that he wrote this famous and very powerful and popular version for sloan's to versus nineteen twenty. Paul said for what is our hope. Our joy or crown of rejoicing his. What's the thing that makes me most happy in the world to think about suppose asking paul says. Here's what makes me most happy in the road to think about is to think about you in the presence of our lord jesus christ at his coming for you. Our glory enjoy cepal. Said when. I want to think of something that makes me really happy really excited about my hope. I think about getting to the kingdom getting accepted into the kingdom by god's grace and seeing you there in the presence of our lord and that's the litmus test for our friendships or relationships for anyone in our life what is the focus of our relationships it needs to be on the kingdom if our if our friendship isn't directed towards that goal that end goal of being able to see each other in the kingdom to see each other perfected in christ. Well then we need to adjust perspective and ingest our focus so that the direction traveling with our family members with our with our relationships with our friends. Brothers and sisters is focused towards that goal now to really illustrate what that looks like. We're going to look at paul's relationship. Not with brothers and sisters. Not with the brothers and sisters at thessalonica by his relationship with the brothers and sisters in corinth because his relationship with them was much more difficult pot. A lot of problems with corns and corinth rather had a lot of problems with paul. We know that there are people in the corinth. Who really disliked. Paul and they. They spread rumors about paul. And they criticized paul said that he may sound weighty and powerful in his letters but his bodily presence is weak and his speeches contemptible they made fun of they tried to undermine paul and paul had to keep giving corinth these somewhat stern rebukes to tell them they had to change the way they were acting as if they had a difficult much more difficult relationship but paul says a very similar thing to what he told the thesselonians and second corinthians chapter one verse fourteen. He says to the corinthians you have acknowledged us part that we are your rejoicing even as ye also are hours in the day of the lord. Jesus so pause the same goal with printing brothers and sisters as he did with the along with the thessalonian brothers and sisters. It was to rejoice together in the day of the lord. Jesus was the same kingdom focus of their friendships. Now like i said there are some difficult things had to happen. Between paul and the brothers and sisters and corinth and one of those things was paul writing to the corinthians repeatedly the telling them that they had to deal with some brothers in the ecclesia who were causing all sorts of problems and they're living very immoral lifestyle and they had to be rebuked they had to be dealt with to deal with their problems and cori- and paul in second corinthians is reflecting on on what he had told them he says i wrote this unto you talking about what he wrote them in a previous letter. So that when i came i wouldn't have to have sorrow from those of whom i ought to rejoice having confidence in you all that my joy the joy of you all he says for out of much affliction and anguish of heart. I wrote unto you with many tears. So paul said when i wrote you telling you telling you that you had some problems you had to deal with. I didn't do it happily or excited to criticize you. It was with anguish. Because i care i didn't do it so you just you'd be miserable not so you'd be grieved but so that you could know the love which i have more but in the end to usa. Paul says i'm going to. I need to write this you. Because i care about you because i love you because sometimes showing love two brothers and sisters loved that is focused on getting each other to the kingdom means having difficult conversations may even involve calling each other out on things that are bringing us away from the kingdom but in in second shutter five chapters later. We're told some more about love. And how love is motivated. Synchronous fibers fourteen to fifteen. Paul says that the love of christ constrains us because we thus judge that if one died for all then all were dead and that he in christ died for all the day which live should not henceforth to themselves unto. Hamish died for them and rose again. So paul says because jesus loved us so much that he died for us well then that love compels us to give the same sort of love brothers and sisters so i love needs to be motivated and compelled by the love of christ as glaciers twenty. I live by faith in the son of god who loved me and gave himself for me and i love the needs to change the way we live but love is not always easy to show and when you love people you actually open yourself up to be hurt. So second corinthians eleven. Twenty eight to twenty nine. Paul has just gone through a whole list of all the different things he suffered in his life. He's been beaten imprisoned. He's been all sorts of danger. He's been betrayed. He's been shipwrecked. He's been stone. Paul says after listing. All these things says those are the outward things that i suffer for for preaching. The gospel said beside those things which are without. I suffered that which comes on me. Daily the care of all the clauses paul says have lots of persecutions and trials and affliction on the outside. But the part that weighs on me. The most heavily is the care of all the classes. Because paul new so many brothers and sisters and he was involved with so many different classes and he cared about them so much and you love them so much and he was always concerned about their well being. That's why you notice that. All of his letters paul is always saying i. Thank god for you. I mentioned you in my prayers. Paul mentioned hundreds of brothers and sisters if not thousands in his prayers every day because he cared about their wellbeing in christ. Paul says he was going to say who is weak. I am not week who is offended and burn. Not he says if someone i know is struggling. I'm struggling with them. Even if i'm not there with them i'm struggling with them. Inspired and that takes a great toll on us emotionally and spiritually and mentally a great toll on paul and that's the cost of love then in chapter twelve. He expounds on it more. He says i will very gladly spend and be spent for you very gladly. Paul says i'll spend everything i have and i'll be used up in my love for you but even though paul was so willing to To give everything for his brothers and sisters still doesn't necessarily have anything to show for it. He says though the more abundantly i love you the less i am loved see sometimes when we show real love to people. It's not received very well and not reciprocated love but the thing we have to realize is that love cannot expect anything in return. The best examples of love are those that aren't repaid and you think of a of a mother or father. The way they loved their kids they give everything in life for their kids. Get the time tons of money. Tons of time care emotional support and yet when do kids start giving back to their parents in a meaningful way. That is any way proportional to the to love that is given to them. It takes years and decades before you can have a relationship with your kids that is that is an adult and that is where the kids can actually get outside of their own narcissism to actually try to think about the parents wellbeing but apparent spends and spends and spends and hopefully their loved in return. But sometimes it doesn't go that way and maybe you found yourself in a friendship or relationship where you feel like you're the one who's doing all the giving you're doing all the loving and the purse on the person on the other side is just taking your love and not giving it back. A pause example says is don't stop loving that person just because you're not getting that love and return you keep loving you keep spending and being spent because that's the example of christ. Christ loved us so much that he died for us while we were yet sinners. And that's our and we never. We never did anything to deserve it. We didn't do anything to deserve. Christ love and he died for us. And paul says it's the same way for us even if people do not love us in return. We continue to love them. We show them. God's love that's focused on the kingdom a love that sees beyond today philippians. Two seventeen to eighteen repeats. This theme says. And if i am offered upon the sacrifice and service of your faith i'd joy and rejoice with you all and another translation says but even if i am being poured out as a drink offering on the sacrifice and service of your faith i rejoice and joyce with all of you you see paul said. Sometimes it's gonna take everything. I have to love you and to help you to the kingdom to help. Increase your faith. He says it ends up that we have to pour out ourselves. You point out like an offering on the sacrifice of your faith and you may feel that way sometimes in your life where you feel like you're giving everything but but paul says if you notice three times in that in that section. He mentioned his joy. He says i do this joyfully. I rejoice with you. Because i know that relationship with you is gonna last forever. It's going to last into the kingdom into eternity. we'll be able to share the love of god and enjoy immortality and perfection together forever no matter what difficulties are now and so i laughed reference in the theme of love that motivate the apostle paul is of course the the most iconic chapter on love and the bible perhaps even the most iconic section of literature love in all of english literature or an ivan english. I suppose that of course is first. Corinthians chapter thirteen fiscal thirteen is. Paul tells the corinthians again he says he's explaining to them love. He's just been going to clear issues that have been happening in the ecclesia and giving instructions on how they should do different things. Because of course in corinth the people didn't love each other very much either the competition. They had different things. There's a i'm of this group. I'm of that group. And they tried to each other or or they argue about. Who had the better spiritual gifts and paul said listen. It's not about that. It's not about who's better it's not about. Who's doing the most work or who's the most prominent in the equation. It's about love. And he says everything comes down to your motivation. No matter how good of a thing you do for chrysler for the gospel if it's not motivated by love it's it's worthless so paul says though i speak with the tongues of men and of angels and have not love. I am become no better than a sounding. Brass or tinkling symbol. Because you're making a lot of noise but it doesn't mean anything he says. And if i had the gift of prophecy. And if i understood all mysteries that had all knowledge and i have all faith so that i could remove mountains poses. If i don't have love. I am nothing paul says. What if i give all my goods to feed the poor that that must be a loving thing to do. What if i give my body to be burned. What if i march your myself if i die for the truth. He says if. I don't do that out of love. It profits me. Nothing it's worthless. It all comes down to a motivation. Are we doing things out of love. Love for brothers and sisters love for god. Love that seeks each other salvation. Enjoy so paul goes on to explain what love looks like. he's he love doesn't look like some grand gestures a romantic in a romantic story. Romantic comedy or something where there's a grand gesture of the show. You how much. I love you. Because i've done this elaborate gift for you or this this dramatic display. That's not what love is. Love is shown in the commonplace thing in the every day. He says love suffers. Long could take a long time to get angry. It'll put up with a lot of problematic behavior from other people. Love is kind. Love does not envy. Love does not puff itself up. It's not obsessed with self. Love does not behave itself. Rudely love is not selfish. Love is not easily provoked. Love does not attribute evil motives to other people love doesn't rejoice in iniquity love rejoices. In the truth then finishes off by saying love bears. All things the bearup under all things no matter how much pressure you put under if you motivated by love you can bear it. Love believe it all things love hoax. All things love endures. All things love never fails process so we have to remember. Is that no matter what we do. Everything in our lives all the work. We do all the sacrifices we make all the victories we tried to achieve in our life all the people we help. It has to be motivated by love that flows from an appreciation for what god has done for us. We love god because he first loved us and we love others. Because we've learned to love from our god come back next week for our final episode in this series on. what motivated the apostle paul where we'll consider the motivating power of the glory which will be revealed.

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Tiempos de elecciones

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08:42 min | 6 months ago

Tiempos de elecciones

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The One With Paul Phipps-Williams

The Keith Blakemore-Noble Radio Show

33:26 min | 1 year ago

The One With Paul Phipps-Williams

"The you're listening to the key blake more noble radio show helping you transform your deepest fears into your greatest strengths. Is your host key volt. Hello hello welcome once again to another episode this episode recording ready for Halloween as a reason for that. We're going to be talking all about fear the F. particularly around fair dubbed the stories and to that end the I've brought a friend of mine who is an author he has written well. Well we'll find out what he's written. His name is poll fix Williams. He will always an author. He trained to film producer. I used to wonder around on student film. Shutting time is money at people before seating that cake manaf around heart having figured out that wasn't the most accessible way to get hired he went on to South Pints reliving because people always seem to need one or the other right for the last eighteen years also told people that he works for the government. I hope they'll think that he's a super spy. He isn't but again. That's what you'd expect to see respond to say right. You has passed a couple of new laws. He's convinced one government minister to quote the Spice Girls in the House of Commons. Pretty impressive and he spent the whole of London twenty-two twelve in on the ground bunker on at least one occasion he has had tens of thousands of people much through central London protesting against what he is doing with his life out with us work related or not easily mean to our imagination when he's not making the world a better place Slash contributing to the fall of society delete to your political affiliations polls. Also a photographer and it can be regularly found at cult TV TV events telling people to smiles. They stand nervously next to that. Childhood Heroes is monitoring what happens in Paul's Studio stays in pole studio at at least that's what polls retold his lawyers. His photographs hobby published in a very eclectic range of magazines from Amherst to Scottish field. 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Pizza is an abomination of often spicy things with barbecue sauce and his favorite color naturally is targets blue blue lots from the one thousand nine hundred seventy to eighty nine version of the Thomas. Not is my guest. This episode poll Full Phipps Williams. Hello Paul how are you doing. I think yeah. That's more impressive. Has Yeah right back to my thank you thank you for joining us on a love. The fight you've had ten thousand people marching against what you're doing. That's that's pretty. As in an age is is the front page of the news. The tunnels jalen dating back. And just okay so nobody in the country's quite what we at the moment is But certainly Gas that she thinks he's in a way but ECON Out Every senior council in the country telling you you're wrong. Yeah it's it's true. I can imagine I can imagine. There's all sorts of stuff we could try talk about around that which I know you wouldn't be able to talk about for obvious reasons but that's not what we're here. 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You go apel around energy yes at belly-flopped but yeah so getting back to to horror stories stories and with the kind of stuff that writings on this Somebody that's always struck me as a bit strange about horror stories. Ah The way we love them is a normal normal life. We try to do everything we can to avoid being scared Kefir. It's it's not a pleasant situation. We try and keep things like Dennis miscanthus keep better situations which will bring in bringing fear for us and yet horror Horror Stories go back to the dawn of time for right when we first started took adding storage. Have the campfire. Horror Stories have always had a nation for people title. I mean so. Many of us grew up being terrified each each week Lodging Donahue Heidi behind the sofa but not wanting to miss an episode horror films still always do well in the box office books. The classic horror stories of have suddenly stood the test of time the Dracula Frankenstein's or Sorta they. What is it you think about horror stories that we love giving we try desperately to avoid being scared why? Why are we so keen to ourselves into this thing which we know? He's going to terrify the thing. Is that this site. Fight for Action Network Weight in a normal everyday situation so he goes boom. You'll you run on which to renounce an undo it. That step should both having to do that. Over the I think the fear of being afraid uh is is is something way we kind of drives us as in. You know. I'm not going to go into that right. Because their slides down Ice Sparta's you'll notice throughout his but the the accession of dipping. I think what this is really interesting thing I think kissed similar to Eighteen Hawker. Because I'm not going to be helped. You know it is. It could be a little a bit. Painful at is GONNA be Scenario but but it sessile theaters gambling an Adrenalin could be a good thing on the gentleman. UNMIXED FAIL Not Happy but it can spark things in new Brian so the when you when you Reading or listening to scary story because it starts to build five feared Indian is the stone to Jonathan. Genuine on is not to get the blood pumping goes back to getting your heart. Basically Become edge I mean some situations right asset But by candidate about thing but if you will doing this involved in a safe environment if you will in bed reading our story with allies I think there's something about the same thing about eighteen eighteen The spark some thinking plus you kind of happy stories. Well but now I think and and I think it comes back while I was working out Fia on what you know the people deal with it. Inspiring can There's something about seeing a character. He Lada in a story. Norway fell getting put into the worst situation. I will ask you still rooting for the result wanting to know On say still to cat on I think thinking about it in is possible the reading whole story. Everything are notable Federal that won't get you going and you'll see in a losses what's of horror films. That able jump scam and laugh. You'd like to win. Yes it's natural. React less with the book because because you'll do on day horrible films you go to sit on a much horror film after every jump scan. I'm here because people have to kind of recover is will mice are naturally acts as a really fascinating thing. Human body was all about. Oh how we deal with A sudden increase ADRENALIN which welshing Stephen King at all. What overtones is like each league? Nearly Cheney that's interesting take that Knock before but yes films like eating curry. He actually there was something really interesting. That you you reduction in there to say that it's safe because you're dumping bed or you're you're in the cinema. Lesotho we with your other half each each screaming and Each other whatever but see experiencing these things you get a free solve excite when she had the adrenaline going the ultimately you know it safe ultimately. No you're not going to get your head chopped off or or or whatever so I guess from what you're saying it's because with with danger. NJIT comes that element of excitement and the adrenaline. And all that sort of thing. But we're doing it in kind of a safe control control way as really interesting thing and I have great steaks currency so if watch it alone you've done and that's when you Brian I enjoyed her between Lonnie nobody. To tell you be silly that the things images hold ta and I think the most interesting thing about the mobile mobile is actually remembering sentencing is in your brain. And because he's only you save them you can't settle. The thing is terrified of. At right full fifteen years other could no actually terrified. Everyone's going Oh oh via Road terrified me because every time I turned US ally authorized so instead in the in the other and I don't know how to that but it's the same safety it was you know is crazy. this committee will cheat on your offer me I z.. Shadows and completely different bar. -pletely different mental reactions. How you deal with that? Yeah it's been ten years like truly Auto box is old EH That's a good point you talk about. Et but I mean what watching horror films on your own I'm not the only one who's done this. You Watch a horror film. We think. Oh that was good. That was quite scary. I've got through that Sergio Tibet now. I'm I'm going to switch every lines in the song I go to bed normally woke up in darkness. No Wahlberg just watch this film. which all the lights on? I'm the actual. Look what show Hamas Blu Ray Extras on. DVD Extras of you. You can quit. He at the most ten minutes of the accent taking muscle yet really. Wow so you kind of touched on this We've got to wrap up soon. Unfortunately has fascinating uh-huh if it's if it's all right with you we'll bring it back another time. His notes more. We can talk about this but you kind of touched on this a little bit in star just it kind of brings full circle this. What is it in your mind? Makes a really good horror story goes shall we can think of all sorts of bad bad examples. Have but what. What's what's kind of some of the keys that make for really good our story one? That doesn't just give you that. Instant gratification is gold but maybe stage with you stage with you can just keeps ILIAC. You Isis is going to be the characters and it's going to be actually Out Understanding and connection between the view on the character type for example You bespoke cabin in the woods style. things why you've got five American teenagers pretty much interchangeable Undeniable at some point. H Roland is going to be a because he done. If it's the Bodley you don't have enough time to really connect with those and The horror element of it is donation virginity in protest. I'm DOT COM Moonlit night. I'll make note Juarez. The horror stories Take terminates short sense way. You had a one character. Who saw talk? She's about to come back and actually seeing on this smiley the Young facial amongst guy. You're on a young woman you get to know over the course of the film by the end of the searches inches completely changed if possible because we stay with us. You know we're going to receive. How each and every element affects certain changes present? We get to fill. I would ask come out when she took rebooting the entire season after. And you see. She's reason to change US and having gone. Not Jimmy with a every single thing that affects her. This way Jenny with I'm not the kind of same show. Events stays with you afterwards because she started saying actually how would I how would I react to not said situation will do better with us. I am so glad that's not me on. Oh I think the The the key to a good thing that the horror story the key to a good saying is is is makes you go. How would I react? Route note may go rhino. Thanks to this character do it. Yes yeah so. I guess this is true for so many shown Russia's L. comes onto good characterization. Make your character that that you can identify with you. Can sympathize with you can really care about so that the the effects on them have a a deeper resonance with you. Yeah Holloway the It's it's all written from the point of view of one insider at the recent stock Plus but because you a within every single age a family you know you get on. That journey saw. aww You guys will continue to push paneled room with a golden drapes Scuds into a room and goes cut but it's the same. I think it's the same thing about just being able to yourself in the shoes of somebody. The main character not as afraid of responsibility for instance. You can design rope and by the end of the book Eight he does his on a addresses in his own way. He knows what he asked. Today and again is about accepting what your final and On getting the inspiration from others to be able to face that fear ask your life I think the key indicate to a good horror stories actually understanding the carrot which fly the dog Shabas range. Big Finish is going to go into rifle because it essentially essentially is based Essentially Dracula. Means Crossroads We've all will be multiple. We've This season as ordered by the characterizations once physicist season three. Go through every single is going through everything and you come through the woods An understanding how how each individual puzzles we asked to understanding how what we as listeners always readers can take all can learn from it We we almost don't orange any of the end zone. Lunch is chill. I think that's probably a good place for us to. I won't say to stall awesome to say to polls because I know we'll come back to this again if you're if you're you're for that this so much won't get exploited. Shows that shows the book again because this is coming on the Halloween. It's the free copy so I just have no. Yeah cool the accent a available to While Tommy comes out this protections out yet you'd you have to prove it on Amazon and at your local independent bookshops. I spy a new comedy actress. Eight as Bree Rian Company and what we really want to revitalize unlikely. Dependable show's Matt. I'm being half decisions and really like I'm sorry. Yes toilet king brilliant. That's the accent. grindstone is on On Halloween Louis. I really foldable. Let me read a preview copy of eight years ago. Wasn't it eight. It's no the book has changed a bit since and I can't wait to get hold of it just to just to see what you've done to that that Paul Karen but it is it is a credible and you're right it comes down to characterize as you are there with the character. You get to know about them you get to be concerned about. What what they're going Anthony? which as you say is the key to to to good horror stories? You get your experiences stuff without actually having to go through yourself. He's still get get a cool. Who thrills of it so APL IF PEOPLE WANNA find out more about about Paul What you do maybe get in touch with what's what's the best way Eighties student is between websites. It's misfits Tacoma's mist. Hi to Accom- so you find out about me on older Written all the folks Every so often yeah just had long been briggs. 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Thank you all for taking time out to to to have this chap absolutely loved often on no we will we will have. We will have you back on again at at Some not disappoint future UPS even before four your second novel gets published a Anita Amount. Someone about it will be that go again. Thank you thank you. Thank you for joining us. Thank you dave you dear listener for joining us and I'm GonNa leave you with old favourite quotes. It's one some of you may have heard before it is a beautiful quote. We have nothing to fear but fear itself. You've been listening to the Keith Blakemore. Moon Noble Radio Show helping transform your deepest fears into your greatest strengths to find out more. These visits Keith bike. MORE NOBLE DOT com.

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Why Trump Didn't Nominate Stephen Moore

WSJ What's News

11:38 min | 2 years ago

Why Trump Didn't Nominate Stephen Moore

"You might know ADP as the biggest name payroll, but that's just the beginning. Because ADP is transforming the way great work gets done with HR talent time benefits and payroll informed by data and designed for people. That's ADP always designing for people. Stephen Moore withdraws his name from consideration for fed seat. Mr. Trump's pokes of placing political allies on the Federal Reserve and just how many jobs were created in April. Here's our guests economists that we survey expect that about one hundred ninety thousand jobs will be added Facebook is building a cryptocurrency payments system. This is what's news from the Wall Street Journal. I'm can get us in. Let's get started. Now before we get into our main story this morning. The tumultuous non nomination of Stephen Moore into a seat on the Federal Reserve's board. Here's what you missed. There were two big stories that had to do with Facebook which broke late yesterday. The first is Facebook's announcement that it would ban personalities whose views it deems to inflammatory to be shared that included the far right talk show host Alex Jones, Mr. Jones apologized in late March to the parents of the sandy hook victims for saying that he thought the shooting was a conspiracy. Wrong. But they were never wrong consciously to hurt people to move to ban Jones, and others comes as Facebook tries to be more proactive about removing controversial content. However, some of the people who were banned said the move constituted censorship separately. Here's a new one for you project. Libra that's the secret code name for a project within Facebook to help launch a cryptocurrency payments system. Facebook is recruiting banks to help it with the effort, but the barriers are high. Crypto currencies have a relatively niche status and Facebook battered, reputation amongst users and regulators certainly doesn't help and Baltimore mayor, Catherine Pugh has resigned over a book scandal. Here's her resignation statement as read by her lawyer for the harm that I've caused to the image of the city of Baltimore and the credibility of the office of the mayor. Mr. you made more than five hundred thousand dollars selling herself published children's books, they were titled healthy Holly to companies, including some that benefited from her official actions were reporting that the resignation is a stunning fall for miss Pugh who up until this year seemed poised to run for and win another term. Now, our main story this morning Stephen Moore yesterday, he withdrew his name for consideration for fed seat. That makes him the second person to officially withdraw after President Trump said that he would prefer to nominate them for a seat on the fed board to get the backstory Charlie Turner spoke with our reporter Paul Kiernan from Washington just a half hour after Paul was speaking with Mr. Moore himself on the phone, President Trump says conservative commentators Stephen Moore has withdrawn from consideration for position on the Federal Reserve Board. Mr. Trump tweeted, the news of Mr. Moore's withdrawal. But didn't say why Mr. Moore changed mind? Let's get details on this from Wall Street Journal reporter, Paul Karen who joins us via Skype from Washington, Paul first of all this came after Mr. Moore, abruptly changed his mind, didn't well, I dunno changed. His mind is the right way to put it. I spoke with Mr. Moore a little while ago half an hour ago, or so, and he actually told me that. He and Lawrence Kudlow, the White House. Economic adviser had basically decided to withdraw him from the fed candidacy last night. Now, that's news. That's a big scoop. So, you know, the reason that he gave through this PR firm was essentially, not the real reason he mentioned unrelenting attacks on him and his family. Yeah, I'm sure that there's played into it. But what he mentioned to me was there was a lot of opposition from Republican senators to his candidacy, I think what typically happens in these scenarios is the White House. We'll have a Frank discussion with the candidate for an appointment about their odds. And typically they will make the decision to withdraw now. Mr. Morton say that he had come to a definitive decision last night. But he said he hadn't spoken with Larry cudlow since last night. And then Trump tweeted today that he withdrew so we don't know what happened in there. But we do know that he wasn't being entirely truthful when he said that he was not pulling out, and you mentioned the Republicans. There. There was enough Republican opposition to Mr. Boorda's sink this nomination or this plan nomination. We had half a dozen senators or so expressing concerns in the case of Herman Cain few weeks ago. We actually had four Republican senators going on the record saying they would not support him which was enough to sink the nomination in Mr Morris case, it didn't quite get that far. But there was a lot of concern being expressed. Which again at the stage is not a good sign. And this was another setback for President Trump. You know, this the second of two fed nominations are intended nominations to go down. So one point that a few observers had made was that in abandoning the conventional White House nomination process where you go through a shortlist of candidates, you vet them, you talk to people on Capitol Hill about their confirmation chances before you actually name them. Mr. Trump actually came out with two guys who had a lot of baggage Herman Cain and Stephen Moore and had from the get-go very low chances of actually getting confirmed. So. Yes. It was a setback. Mr. Trump's hopes of placing political allies on the Federal Reserve, and we've spent a month and a half on these two nominees and at the end of it. Mr. Trump isn't getting either one of them Paul the pick of Mr. Moore was controversial from the start. Tell us why. Well, he's he's got a lot of economic fuse that are well outside the mainstream as called for returning the US to the gold standard, and he's had a lot of inconsistency between two thousand ten and two thousand fourteen or so in the US economy was weak. He had argued against a quantitative easing argued for basically tighter policy at the Federal Reserve never the economy is strong. He's been arguing for looser monetary policy at the Federal Reserve, the only thing that's changed since then was in two thousand eleven twelve thirteen a democrat was president and in two thousand nineteen a Republican president. And he's also got some personal baggage. You know controversial articles on women and some personal financial issues. Yeah. He kind of made a career for himself writing these politically incorrect columns for the national review and other publications in which he kinda made inappropriate disparaging jokes about women again because he wasn't vetted by the White House before he was named. He had an unsealed divorce lawsuit. That contained allegations of emotional and psychological abuse by his ex wife against Mr. Moore, and you know, unpaid alimony child support, and he had a seventy five thousand dollar tax debt claimed by the Internal Revenue Service. So none of that was helpful to his candidacy. I have one final question. Do you think advisors are going to try to persuade Mr. Trump for his next pick to go through the normal vetting process? Your guess is as good as mine, Charlie for our full coverage of the Federal Reserve open seats and the direction of the central Bank. You can head to wsJcom. You might know ADP is the biggest name in payroll, but that's just the beginning. Because ADP is transforming the way great work gets done with HR talent time benefits and payroll informed by data and designed for people. That's ADP always designing for people. On to markets, and we've got a fun one for you today. Have you ever heard of the dollar smile? Basically if you look at a graph of the relative value of the dollar compared to other currencies during recessions and big periods of growth. Well, there's a notable grin, but our markets reporter, so me Evesham Pyan told me that might not be the case forever. So some. Yeah, I up what's the theory, again, basically, the dollar smile theory says that the dollar does. Well, when the economy is very strong because that boosts the allure of US assets. And when the economy's really weak because the dollar is a safe haven. That's actually a pretty unusual dynamic for global currencies. If you think about the Japanese yen, it's sort of thought of as a safe haven into it only does well when the rest of the world isn't doing well, but people sort of think now that the dollar smile theory might not last forever say there's a recession and all of a sudden. Fed is able to cut interest rates much faster than other central banks. Exactly because it has already been more aggressive than its peers in raising interest rates recently, basically, it has more ammunition to ease. So that can make the dollar less appealing for investors and dentists normal safe-haven bid. And now the scattered. Here's what to look forward to later today. It's jobs day. We'll get a snapshot of just how while the US labor market is doing when figures released at eight thirty A M eastern time. Now, the expectation is for another Goldilocks report one that's not too hot. But does show a healthy pace of job creation? Eric herath? Our labor reporter says you can also expect that the past pick up in wage growth will continue. Workers wages have improved over the past year, and that improvement probably feels pretty good for those that have gotten raises because the cost of living hasn't jumped that much in kind of expect this trend to continue in April workers receiving you know, maybe about a three percent raise from from a year. Earlier one thing though, I would note is that in previous periods. When we've had extremely low below five percent unemployment is really only happened in two previous periods. The nineteen sixties in nineteen nineties workers wages even adjusted for inflation were growing at a stronger rate during those times, and why in buffet has said that Berkshire Hathaway has begun investing in Amazon, he's expressed regret in the past for not investing in the company earlier, but in an interview with CNBC he clarified that it wasn't that he personally had taken a stake. It was one of his portfolio managers. They revelation comes ahead of this weekend's annual Berkshire Hathaway shareholder meeting if you're going or even watching from a far we've got a. A bingo game on our website for the true obsessive 's finally yesterday shares in the vegan burger company beyond meat had these strongest stock market debut of any big new company since two thousand they closed up one hundred sixty three percent. Now, the focus turns to lab grown meat and fish, which as we're reporting today is still incredibly expensive to manufacture. 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Great Inputs Matter, Intentional Meetings, Rising CAC - #TheOneThing EP175

The GrowthTLDR

40:48 min | 3 months ago

Great Inputs Matter, Intentional Meetings, Rising CAC - #TheOneThing EP175

"In this episode of the growth of this is the one thing scott. I nicholas hollander gonna give you a one thought a one thing that we have been thinking about over the past week. Maybe it's from an article podcast. Whatever it may be it's relevant to people who are interested in crimin- business in leadership and all of those good things and we get in to. Why are needed for at puts how to run intentional meetings. And what are we going to do about this. Rising cost to require a customer. This is the one thing episode. One hundred and seventy five. We hope you enjoy it. Welcome to the growth. Tld our podcast. The only thing you need to keep up with everything that's important in growth broke finding new customers to them sticking around for life and here your hope kieran flanagan and scott. Welcome everyone to another episode of the the are. We are here with the one thing where i hear funding in scott housley and nicholas holland. Share something at the the guidelines. Give this loose share something of interest to our audience and hopefully you know who our audiences some first of all. I'll say quick. Welcome discount and nicholas. I'm gonna start with something actually not to do the one thing just to get us into the podcast. Mostly because i self talk about something. Did either of you get cool gadgets. Over the holiday break that you to recommend to our listeners. The whole house has been a buzz with the oculus quest to and i feel like No as i've had all of them Skipped the last oculus quest. But i've had like the The go before that have had the google card bach Cardboard were you. Put it in there. And this is the first mainstream vr platform. That's out there. And so right now as i look out the little doors outside of my office. My daughter is literally playing. Bobby yoga which is like an interactive forty five minutes experience. Where she's like a little girl being chased by a witch so it's like everybody is in house plays it. My son will be playing a fortnite battle. Royale thing called population one later on it. So it's like it's it's mainstream. What's the game for you. i like. There's a game called pistol. Whip john john wick. I recently just bought another one which is like like the star wars adventures. I'm still like a star wars nerd. So i used vader immortal and then i just got galaxy's edge every narrative dreams of life with hand tracking awesome detector. Of course. that's the reason. I watched some stuff on that over the break. Actually and the reason i get it is because of the star wars because of the boxing game. Yeah fats exotic always sore for like a week after the boxing game. Pretty good scott. Do you have an oculus karen. I don't have an have. I've bought myself Whatever the playstation is before the five. Because you can't get the five and more yeah played played played it more than i thought i would play it but not not a a lot. I've started game. That's the game they play. Run into wri- lightsaber. It's amazing. I haven't really played around with oculus too much Were still world school in our house. We still have. Ps four is over here. We have an upgraded to the ps fives. And he's on the. I think i can show it to you. It's kohl's a remarkable remarkable. I sleep pretty excited. You have one remarkable god. I thought i was like i've written over seventy pages in mind. I'm pretty excited. I see because. I used a pretty archaic like noted system. I go from handwritten notes evernote to docs. So it's kind of a little place and stuff excited to get the gecko when my remarkable Said what is it. I'm not. I don't know what it is. Electric paper sets best describing. it was. Yeah like i got it. It's funny right off the bat in product. And i'm always annoyed whenever literally launched a product and no one's like slapping me on the back congratulating. It's always like well. When's it gonna do this. When's it gonna do that. I literally fell into that. Which is remarkable is a tablet that is e ink and has really nice Writing the magnetic pin. And so you don't have to charge the pin. It's got really good tactile. Because they've made it rough to feel like a pencil and it's on e inc so the device has good long longevity and does nothing else but let's see right on it and so on one hand if you were trying to replace like a mole skin or something. It's incredible because you don't have to keep buying mole skins and creating new notebooks on the other hand. You start to want things. Like oh i wish i could search my notes and you can't do that and you start to move like ocr and you can't do that. You start to wish that it like you know. So i'm i. I like it a lot. As soon as i stopped trying to make it be anything else than like really awesome. Unlimited mole skin but boy. My wife is like the lets you search for stuff. I'll get integrated with integrate notion. The other thing i did over the holiday period was become obsessed with chess. Either you play chess quick. Could you but. I watch crease cowardice. I think just before that but then yeah that did review my interest in foot cooley shit. It is the most infuriating game the thing that chest teaches you. Actually it's good for a definitely as good figure just like mental or teach you how to think ahead but you don't really good for for showing you is if you're totally obsessed on like look just totally obsessed the looking at things through your lands like i'm completely looking ovalles moved these make these formers. I'm going to check them. You completely are unaware of all of the other things. And then they get your queen. You destroy the board. Because you're you're still infuriated by it but it makes you like. Oh i need to be aware of more of the things that are going on the board than just the thing that i'm looking at. It's really good. I like chess. Funny thing is. I can't always help but like distill the entire game down to like. Is this other person smarter than me by play my eleven year old son and he beats than me. That's that's what everyone is is harder to me all right. We need to get into the one thing so we're going to go through something that we thought was interesting that we thought was interested enough to start to share this audience. And hopefully you will an interest in. I'm going to start so. The one thing that i am going to go through is interview. I recently watched or listened to from bob. Pittman pittman is the seal of mtv networks. He's now ceo of i heart radio. I think he had to stop. They said iheartradio get more day like through their daily listenership in audience. It's actually higher daily users. Facebook like that's How big they are. The one thing he said was that great act puts. If it's really simple. I love it because it's so simple in media grid. Outputs are dictated by having inputs and a couple of examples of that right. I think i'll get into media but just in terms of people. I thought a lot by just what inputs i take in myself because me consumer knowledge from the right places obviously leads to better. I put and what's really fascinated by that. I've started. I'm reading something at the moment. Which is the growth of digital spaces for small communities and how people are gravitated towards muller communities from the likes of facebook and twitter because the inputs take taken from facebook and twitter. A lot of times are bad for us. Like bad information. It's negative information. It's horrible things going on in the world and these kind of closed small closed. Small communities are going to be more prevalent in our future. Because you can actually allying with people who are more similar to in terms of the things. They're passionate to buy you feel more at ease with yourself in there in sharing information i'll get into my last season but that does anyone think that this even science. That's going to be interested in great great. I mean it's it's kind of like the garbage in garbage out. Philosophy like What you yeah like. What you put in is what you're going to get out of it When he was talking about this what were some examples if you have any karen when he was like okay these are. This is what i mean. When i say great inputs or outputs require inputs in context. What bob was yeah. He was talking about the transformation of radio actually and it was very it was really relevant to anyone who wants to think about the transformation podcast and so when he was going through radio he was saying that the things that people are underestimated which i agree with in podcast on is the host like everyone's obsesses over the gas in the format like every show is an interview show and the obsessed over the format but actually people undervalue the host. And he said that one of the things he did in radio was really over. Indexed getting quality hosts to host video shows and then the other thing he said is every was just doing ads. If you think the by podcast day everyone is just doing these kind of thirty seconds podcasts. And he's talked about using data to make the not make the ads feel like part of the show way more contextual and he was saying that for each of media property who i took away from it as each media property has lists of inputs that lead to good. I put you have to understand how to stack Inputs in terms of importance to like for podcast the host may be the top in terms of the most important input net second may be the guest third may be the format. Fourth may be halong. The podcast isn't short podcasts. Long podcast than it may be content if you think about that in terms of the blog like the top input is the keyword research because blog alliance to google. That's how you get traffic in. And so i think like your media properties really thinking through the inputs have a stack ranked to how you stack those in terms of importance i thought was really good takeaway for people. Yeah the the thing that's interesting about the inputs and outputs. It's like it's sometimes. The simplest things are the most profound you know. It's like when you cook something. Like the quality of your ingredients makes a big deal In terms of how thing puts an even when you go beyond that you know part of what you're saying is when you're thinking about the blog post or something like that knowing who your audience is or who you're making the meal for. They have a different way of valuing inputs than others and that's like a lot of different kind of dimensions tie like analyze that concept of like good inputs make good outputs since the question of are you able to like reflect and like look at what those inputs are via the lens of like quality via the lens of taste via the lens of you know uniqueness or differentiation stuff. You're building product nicholas. You must have to think about what is what are the inputs matter to the consumer doesn't need to have unlimited this unlimited storage thought. Let's just random example but like what are the inputs that actually matter. What are the inputs. That are just commoditised where everyone else. Yeah and stuff you got to look at because then you also have to look like what are the inputs to get to the outcome that you're looking for this is where like everybody. listening on. the show is probably like god. My head starts to hurt but you know going back. I try to keep things super simple with always like metaphors and analogies. But like you know if you're deciding that you wanna be a desert restaurant and you make something super savory. That's not sweet. It could be a little bit off for your audience. Do you know what i mean. And so going back into the product after think a lot about who's the audience after. Think about what. Their tastes are what they're looking for. And then you try to think through what are the best inputs to get them their best people best process in terms of what level of quality you're willing to put out etc. Yeah it's tough. But i think the point. Is you just saying like people. Just don't even think about this stuff in the in the first point people don't even think about it and they don't think about the order of priority of inputs guarantee your point when you're talking about keyword research and like creating a inbound marketing strategy basically It's like the keyword is of course a really excellent input but it also depends kind of like what nicklaus said is. What's your who's your audience in what's rally for them. So if you are a desert restaurant and you do create something savory to same thing if you're trying to create seo driven content in your audience. Doesn't google anything you know we. We had this problem at up. Spot with sales reps were initially. We were trying to figure it out and we had this incredible still. Do you know in down. Marketing machine for marketers. Because they're googling shit all the time and they're always trying to figure it out get answers for whatever they're looking for well with sales. It wasn't as much the case in so by building by taking the same playbook and copying and pasting it for marketers to sales. It doesn't always work. And so it's not just figuring out what are your inputs from you know using that specific example of starting with keywords because sometimes of course that's not always the case and so it's who's your audience and what are the inputs that you can leverage from like a acquisition or marketing standpoint to attract them It's just a little bit. It's yard when thinking about it in context of like a channel in particular without example via the the the other thing that the other quick thing i'll mention is because you vote said which is a desert restroom making something savory sweet have you ever heard of the chef heston blumenthal limiting or He's a mad scientist with he. His restaurant is like all abide. kind of just making. You're making you crazy. And what am i eating or set here. Like what am i either. So he'll have like he'll he'll bring out like a carrot and beetroot salad and cake cutting. You won't even know and then he'd bring in like he hit the crazy thing about that. I'm sure you're in your life when you see at restaurants have had a double cook chips. Whatever they call them. What's a the name for double fried chicken. Fried and twice necklace. You've had double fried. Is it kettle chips. Don't know like you call okay. Sorry you're american fries. My own double double cooked rice. Yes he. He invented doubles comprise gotcha. That's funny chips we are. We already had our first a culture clash here on the show. The other quick thing another no past review necklace that she moved to yours is one of the most common places. This actually comes up. We talked to a lot of founders who go product product lead is the future for law bb companies and the number one thing. They underestimate is data instrumentation because your inputs are so a pivotal to the success of the i put some of that model and they neck it takes them years to get the data they need to be able to actually make good decisions in terms of what they need to do for that product. That business. How do i. How do i get people to peek. Yell what demand choice end sales which dimension should and i think that's another another example my basically my lesson to summarize it and condense it to try to stay on format of the show is understand what inputs matter which ones need to obsess over to get the putts that are going to make it successful. The nice nice go. Nicolas hoult right so my one thing this week. I you know i'm in product and obviously we deal with a lot of digital bits and bites but one of the things that i find myself fascinated by. Is that all of the decisions to do. You know on what we make. All the people reviewing the inputs as you just went through all the people who judge the quality of the outputs all of its all humans so a big part of what i do is really focusing on our human 's on track to to to have autonomy mastery purpose. We've talked that stuff or i've talked about this a lot in my career but one of the things that came across recently. Was this concept on a blog. Post about a marriage check in. It's like basically a one on one with your spouse. And i brought up the work thing because if you were to tell me. Hey i've got a team and i don't do one on one with him. I would look at you like you're crazy like what. How do you make sure that everybody's cranking in the same direction and also on the flip side whenever brought this concept of marriage check into a few people they look at me like i have two heads and in fact my wife older is whenever i was like a marriage anyway. Do you to talk schedule for you. Exactly what to bring it up because we've done it a few times now and it's been amazing it starts off with saying two things of gratitude it starts then it moves into two tensions. You've felt in the week. Tensions could be between each other or something in your life that maybe you haven't shared And then it ends with the question of what's one thing. I could do to help you this next week. And then it ends the session. And so i thought I thought about that like the one thing which is ultimately you know being intentional with your relationships is common in a work practice. Actually you know. I don't know for the listeners. Some of you guys who are listening not even do it for your works out but being intentional is is typically effective in your work relationships but it got me really thinking about. Why is being intentional. In your marriage so strange. Why is it so kind of awkward and i think ultimately what i pull back to that in work. We have a shared common goal. You know in working. We are all trying to get towards some sort of goal and we know that teamwork makes the dream work and so i go back to the marriage and in the personal relationships. We often don't look at our relationships is like having a goal. You don't have a goal with your grandparents or your mother. You don't have a goal with your spouse a lot of times but what that takes away is like you don't have that ability to be really intentional about anything with him. If you're not careful. And so i guess. The one thing that i've really thought was really interesting. Is that humans basically. We were very complex creatures and taking time to have really intentional moments to basically show gratitude basically re builds the strength of the relationship taking time to let people air their attentions builds rapport but also provide psychological safety. So that you can talk about it and then being able to say like what's one thing i can do to help you once again. Build your bore. But then also i think reprograms your own mind your own mind towards an atmosphere of being helpful towards the one versus. I think we're quite selfish a lot of times in our day to day thinking and so that's kind of my one thing this week being really intentional about your non work relationships you know. It's really so. I think everyone can do better. Meetings meals me also which is just like heaven want meetings at work which is making sure that are some agenda and some things you continually cover each one one. There's two things you mentioned which. I love for one that i could do a better job of the first thing i would say. My biggest weakness as a manager forever is the gratitude part which is just. It was really interesting. We had on the podcast before when we were talking about the book radical candor and mad at a canter as a manager and they were like. Hey what do you when you think of radical counter. What you think about it and i was like. Oh we'll have direct feedback with someone when you have to kind of tell them. They're not performing well or a really direct feedback. You need them to do this thing. Where when they're not saying and they said what about the people in your team or a rockstar who are crushing at. What is radical cabinet mean for you and i was like well. They're doing well so like we leave him alone but route. He's identical silence. They're the they're the people you need to continually make sure that you recognize because they never get recognized because they're like are rockstars and everyone just to do really great work and they don't get told you don't tell them. Hey i really appreciate that. You're doing this to me doing that for me. And i think they'll thank you matching two points of gratitude. I always forget that. Because that's not something i need all the time. But it doesn't mean there's that's not people need different things and the other thing you said which i think is from from me is a good to get into his two points to friction because often managers will think there's no friction because of the restriction that person bringing up and in all of my experience that never happens it comes up in all of the ways you have never expected to come up like the one where you think it's gonna come up is not the way it comes up. It comes up in all these other ways that actually caused you. Problems can chime in for what you said nicholas. You told me this actually in a one on one a while ago a couple of months ago or something and you're like Have a have a marriage one on one and with your relationship And you've talked a lot when i've talked to you. Personally you are share. These things that are More applying personal things in life to a work context and it at first unlike allen. Sounds kinda cheesy. Sounds kinda makes sense skies people. You've you've things like you know what's the love language of different people who you work with. And i've never thought of that wherever you know i think about it context of my my friends in You know my parents and all that stuff but with that being intentional with your one thing here i think that goes a long ways of course personally but also in a work context as well and even sharing personally i started. I tried to and you know we did not have tuesday at ten. Am is going to be our one on one but it was we try and talk about it regularly not on a set schedule but you know what something i i could do to make your dave and better thin things along those lines that i've kind of pulled from the advice you've gave so i can speak personally to what you just shared. It's helped my personal relationship a lot. And i think there's so much overlap in our personal lives and of course with with our work lives as well. Yeah especially now. Because they're all the same place your personal life your your work. Life is basically industry another. Nothing always tell people that i've been marble you spend more time with work people than you do with your relationship. There's there's actually there's actually a study of the spend your most time. I think it crossed everything like sleep. And all these things and work people or i think in the top three bedrooms. I think the top one is sleeping for me to second one is being affiliated by chest. That'll wrap up. That'll be my one thing. It's like be very intentional about your relationships in one lens is like the things that you do at work. Could those be applied in the personal life as well because at the end of the day. We're all just humans trying to get stuff done. Yep awesome scott is yours okay. Sounds good. I would also say nicholas the things you do at home apply to work. Not just a quirk apply to home. Okay so mine. it's not. It's definitely a little bit more technical. I suppose But it's really thinking about the rising cost of like caq. So this is something that has popped up a few times with hub spot. Recently i think even with other friends who have companies and the people on regularly talking to Especially with covid. you know. it's pushed a lot of people. Online and a lot of people have been more dependent on. Let's take paid for example Paid facebook outs and so when you have more advertisers that are getting centralized to this. One channel creates more competition as there's more competition calcutta's up and prices go up reforge just with scott to give baffour plugs not that he doesn't have enough plugs but Reforge forge released a study that adopt just recently actually to show the cost of cac. An true podcast. Land this is going on a thursday on the tuesday. We will have an interview with paul. Karen who's the cmo fresh books and we talk about that that stat with him as well. So quick plug. Yeah and of course. I got this As always from brian Fell for And i was just reading news articles because it just made me think of conversations. We were having Out work around like you know the the kind of increasing costs of the customer acquisition costs in any way Kinda i'll skip rate to the one thing and then expand on it a little bit really. What he said is It's not it's not if like your customer. Acquisition costs are gonna go up over time. It's just when and it's planning ahead and getting ready for it and so always kind of having a contingency plan for your cocktail up and so there's a couple of things one when will increase to. How much will increase and three. How can we get around it and talking to touch on a couple of things that brian said and then see if either of you have thoughts on this He's saying okay. Costs are going to go up because of saturation In it's going to go up for channel saturation. It's what i just said. Face you know. traditionally what. You're targeting on facebook. The audience is going up Or with cure now you touched on keywords with seal tapped out of all your most high intent keywords and you gotta start going up. The funnel will as you go further up the funnel. There's less intent. Conversion rates are lower. It takes more resources. It's more expensive to get that audience on onto Your product number two audience saturation. So it's similar to what i was saying. But when you have a really high intent audience and your real target audience as you start to expand further and further out for me it gets more expensive over time and then third is just market saturation. And so what. Brian is saying is okay. You know. there's a couple of different things that we can do to decrease caq We can expand the Essentially the growth model or acquisition lovers. And so he used spies an example so we started off as an inside sales model and that was hubs spot from what two thousand seven to two thousand thirteen something like that and then we and now and then we layered in like Agency program so a value added reseller program and that was kind of a next layer of okay. We can actually start getting a lot more people through the door this way and start generating revenue through this mechanism and then we kind of rolled out this whole freemium product led model and twenty fourteen. Something like that and say okay and so you can expand like the growth model And then you can also expand the audience so you can take it from okay. We're targeting marketers. Now we're gonna target sales reps and now we're going to target customer service and so you can expand in that way He didn't touch on this. You can expand in a country. And so i'll stop there before going into more examples. But he's the the core thing that he's talking about is of course your customer. Acquisition costs going to go up over time. But think about planning ahead of win will it increase And having a plan for where you may pivot in the future. And i actually picked up from both of you Working with you hub. Spot is like don't just think about what's going on in front of you have plans for how things may shake out in the future and the longer term i have a when they are jumping this fascinating like i think that you know for the audience and myself I wanna point out that basically caq goes up For all the reasons you mentioned and also just naturally cactou- go up roughly two to three percent every year just for inflation and so you've got just regular market forces pushing everything up the reality is it's been really fascinating to me. Is that For a lot of the companies that are in a particular area if you find the right balance of cocktail. tv and you're making some degree of profit then there's also an existential crisis of somebody sees you making profit and they come for and so the deal is do you chase other tack in diversify into other countries like do you run from it or going back to our analogy d. You have to play master level chess to stay in that particular pool. And that's it's an interesting thing if you're thinking about resources you're by yourself found like a little pond it's got tons of fish. It's great if somebody comes over and sits next to you and starts taking some of the fish away from the bond or a bunch of people do it. The deal is. Do you get better fishing in that pond than them so you catch them faster. Gets the bigger fish. You know whatever or do you pick up and go to another pond and just accept your kind of shitty little fishing lighten life. They're the reason that up is because there's also things that look at which is like how profitable are you in this particular cactus. Ltv model you know if the cocktail tv for everybody and they're like if you're really really profitable and then cac starts to go up. Maybe you were just in a zone of making a ton of money. Like i'll always wonder how do businesses sit down and say is long as i'm making. Let's say three times. Ltv of the cac. I'm willing to round this cat train. All the way up because there will be a point where other business models are not as successful as yours and they will basically fade out. I don't know anyways back but isn't the only way you can you. Can you can actually prepare for that navigators Go into different kinds. Go into more countries sell more stuff or get your get your customers to buy more sets. Raise your price and then and then and sell more stuff attorney you can have a better retention model. I mean you know retention is a big part of. Ltv is that's true. 'cause you gotta remember what if somebody comes into the market this year and they decide just to go crazy in your favourite keyword boule b. run from it do you batten down the hatches and survive and just believe that my favorite story. Is you know a bears coming through the woods. Two guys are there and one guy. Drops down starts shoes really fast and the other guy goes did. You can't outrun the bear. And he goes. I got out outrun the bear. Got out you know you can boil down and say whoever has the best retention is going to win because you can afford to spend more money on advertising so everything boils down like a happy customer base. You're going to be in a pretty good place. I do think that the challenge would be in a marketer in five. Ten years is the number of companies be launched again. Vc funds and there was a tweet the other day that sixty percent of all vc funds. Go into google. Facebook and people say. Oh that's awful. It's up that off like when you're a small company are trying to get some customers. Find product market fit. It's hard to get volume through blogging. Are all these other things in the short term was just. It is what it is but every day. That's that's happening. In every day. The number of places you can spend money and get access to a large number of users is the same right. Google when launched are in the nine hundred ninety s. facebook is still kind of growing start to stack in terms of users because there's only so users get same twitter segment all of these properties as so there's just not the diversification of channels. Everyone's kind of playing on the same pools which means customer experience product and being able to fill a real customer need is like i tweeted before which is like an average marketer works for a company with a great product. A great marketer works for a company with an average product. What marketer has the better career. The average marketer doesn't matter how good marketing you are every marketer is riding the coattails of a great product. Well the other thing. I thought for your lesson scott. The thing that i've always been fascinated about what you guys do in growth is planning season. You sit down everybody's trying to figure out what they want to get done the next year you know if i came to you and i was like. Hey scott karen. I found this box and every time you put a dollar in. It kicks out three dollars. What do you think we should do. You guys would be like We got around up every single dollar. We can find it into this box. And so when. I think about what you're talking about scott one of things instead of me you know obsessing so much over cat going up which i think it will obviously but like. There's like a band of where i give a damn about it. It's almost like i wanna go into other countries. I want to spend time looking at other pools because this box keeps kicking out three plus dollars in so i want to go to the growth team and be like look until the box stops kicking out three dollars. I want to shove as many dollars into this boxes i can. And that's the part. Where like i agree. That cat goes up. But in this one thing i was telling you like carrying like you tell me. Oh my god tax gone up you know fifty percent this year i i feel like i wanna be like okay. So we drop below three. And you're like no i'm like okay. Cool so can we keep going. You know like i. I don't know how you guys think about it. It's way below. A certain point is just it. It's basically like you can run at a loss to sweep in the market. I think that a lot of companies do that right thing to do. Just sweep the market in because term. You just going to monetize that base better that the challenges actually wouldn't when you see your when you have a row as metric when you return on investment starts even. Let's say i put a dollar one dollar. it's not like you just. It's not like you can run at that one to one forever. When you start to saturate order audience you get a couple more sign ons at one to one. And then you're next to sign up is very unprofitable and it gets so unprofitable land that it will decide to be crusher rusher business so generally your if you can run a two two two two one three two one depending upon where you are but it starts to get very unprofitable very quick because you're just on the outer edges of audience. Saturation like just nine. Martha unqualified audience. Those those costs four. They don't convert it. Don't turn into anything and just becomes pretty unprofitable very quickly. It depends on capitol to like. You can run out one to one forever if you're amazon or costco like that's back. The cell basically everything that costs and make their money on memberships. But who told you that we can't do that. That's the thing like. I would challenge everybody. That's listening is like very rarely. The leaders have the foresight to know that the strategy is to run at one one to gain market share. You know unless you are a vc. Because then they don't care about you being profitable. They want you to have growth numbers but it is edited interesting point like you're a pool maker you make swimming pools at the end of the day if you realize that you have to spend twenty grand to get a thirty grand pool. You're you're you're you're you know. Roi is basically nothing. How much time did you spend wondering about referrals and a referral program. How much time did you spend about selling pool chemicals every year. How much time did you spend knowing that. In five years people will have pool honors. That need to be fixed. It's that level of pool business acumen that we got to think about because that person will go crush a market at one to one or even one two point eight because they know that they're going to basically owner and at some point Thing about one. One is not that i think at some point. One to one could be fine forever. Because you believe you're going to build the league's things in the My point is let's say hundred grand span than the now in one territory. My because how quickly. This goes completely awry. My first twenty grand can get one to on my second. Twenty grand will be minus. One will not get the minus one because that means i spent twenty grand make zero but it gets very profitable very quick. It's not even just you can if you can run to for months and years cool what actually happens. Is you start to get into negative territory. Very very fast. You start to lose money very very fast because one indication that there is your marketing to people who are very unqualified. It's a it's a quality indicator you've saturated your qualified market. And you have more people that you can get click on your out to actually is qualified or does it mean that. Your competition overspending. I've i've had beans. It's unqualified because people are clicking through. They're not converted. they're not paying you. Money your plan for the clicks or Paint impressions but we should you hold on tight united debate because i. I don't think we don't have that. That's that's bring this back. Which is the nixon. I actually off. Mike do argue a lot about this but in the interest of time. I'm going to summarize the things we're going to In some way. Have all of you vote on these Nick scott could keep a scoreboard. Just for our own competitiveness and to see who gets the most votes for their one thing so mine was inputs to act puts quality inputs quality outputs obsessed with the things that matter stocks frank lows and make sure that you know. What are the most important things for you to get the goals you want. Necklaces be intentional. About the meaning to have set clear. Agendas gravitate points durant. Having a gratitude. Taking time to spend time on gratitude spent time appoints or friction. Anything add because you think. I did a good job summarizing. Yeah just be intentional about your relationships in and out of work and that revolves around gratitude. Tensions and how you can help and scott was scott's to leave a cheerful note was cacus going up and if you're a marketer you're totally fucked so thanks. God have a plan to quick things before we go at a our bitcoin. Are you interested at forty k. 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Fast Money 06/18/20

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Fast Money 06/18/20

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In the latest on the crypto craze later deal drama a new twist in the megamall merger that may have just gone bust. We start off with the fast track on the data at one hundred million reasons why the stock market may not be telling the. The true story about this economy Americans, skipping payments more than one hundred million loans in May that includes everything from student loans to car payments to mortgages, the number more than triple that of April it's the latest sign. The stimulus checks and unemployment benefits aren't enough to fully cover the expenses so when these programs run out what happens to that consumer and the economy, and of course to the Stock Market Guy. Well, you know that's a bit of a rhetorical question. When you asked me, it's not good in. It's something we've alluded to. That want anecdotal evidence. You don't have to go any further than go and look at Wells Fargo's first quarter that they reported in the middle of April, they took a fourteen billion dollar loan loss provisions, which was up four hundred and thirteen percent year over year, and by the way when they report I think in the middle of July that numbers probably up again and further anecdotal proof is the fact that wells. Fargo I believe at current prices is trading below tangible book value. This is something that Dan talks about all the time, so the banks I think have been trying to tell the story, but the broader market has sort of been. Impervious to it until recently, so we'll see again. I'll say I am not all that optimistic about where the consumer is six to nine months from now clearly I hope I'm wrong, but I also think that behind closed doors. There are a lot of companies out there. That are saying you know what we've learned to do more with less. Let's continue this moving forward. Stimulus won't last forever. And deferments and forbearance doesn't last forever either so what happens Brosseau? When does things are up? They extended. That's the short answer we're remember. We're in an election year so. These are the vet. Programs I think. So and you're good ugly. But it's not going to end anytime. Student and this close to all time highs. You gotTA still be buying the market I don't think it's about a program right now. I don't think it's about you know. The economy's I think you hit it last time I was on the show. It's about bridging that gap between now and when things normalized. If, you can say that the Fed is going to outweigh at the stimulus is going to outweigh. POLITICIANS ARE GONNA. Wait and we're getting closer to a therapy or vaccine. By the market! Karen, what do you think I mean the banks? Obviously we'll see the first immediate signed right whether or not the consumer is going to pay once that sort of deferment. Or forbearance period expires. What do you think's GonNa Happen? Well, I think. We are going to see. This around expires I agree with Steve. We'll see more. I think that that bridge will get extended further not that we can fully I mean some people are just not going to be able to make those payments regardless of how far the bridge goes, but I think for a while thought there's a disconnect between the rebound in the stock market more broadly in the rebound in the banks, which has been much more muted. Those two will need to converge at some point whether that's. Know the market goes down in the banks. Go down less I'm not exactly sure but I. do think that. A lot of those there's a lot of those loans. The student loans are government backed mortgage loans are government back so I think that there is somewhat of a net. They're not that it wouldn't be really ugly in the interim, but I also think that the banks came into this really well capitalized and I think that we are going to see big provisions. Were we saw one? The first court will see more, but I think that's why the stocks are here. Because the anticipation, big provisions so I think that some bad economic date really bad economic data is priced in already ten to the bank's not necessarily to the market well. Yeah so so jobless claims. This morning didn't give you a lot of relief the. On again off again in terms of the macro, I. Think so green shoots Brown shoots whatever you, WanNa call this. Chart to disagree with everyone's assessment that this is a bridge to the other side and. That the consumer on the other side is probably going to be. We read it. We went into this at peak. Employment and we went into this at a place where also consumers had started to see some wage growth, and that was very encouraging, but If you look at the stocks that have rallied in the market, yes, banks of not taking part and have underperformed in this in meaningfully, but also seen consumer stocks that should be a tell into consumption transmitting. Isn't that the ultimate test of of where discretionary income is so I. Think that that consumers or or creditors? can be or debtor excuse me. Debtors can be opportunistic in this environment. I think anyone who has the ability to withhold payment will withhold payment. And I think people holding onto their money as long as possible, is also a function of all the forbearance, and of all the essentially the relief that's come in here so I'm not sure we're getting a real read on where the consumer is actually able to pay these loans, and where they're actually putting them off because they can I, think we have to. To Be careful about that side of this trade in the same way we're talking about the consumer who many cases is making more money with unemployment than they were with their regular salary is in a better place for as long as that lips, and there are a lot of things going on right now, which which sort of distort the picture cross Owain? Prevents businesses from from right sizing their businesses at least for right now we have the stimulus checks which are sort of inflating what consumers have in terms of discretionary income. You have for barons and deferrals which allow consumers to not pay certain loans into maybe have a little bit more discretionary income to do other things. So does that bridge bring us to the other side where we figure out? Some of those consumers will never be able to pay. I think the people that came into this strong will leave strong and I think there's been an overlay that if you turn on the news, or if you listen to these programs, you're incentivize not to pay, so tim touched on it your incentive to hold on your money. So I think people are. synthetically holding onto their money that don't need to, but there are people that can make these payments that aren't. There are people that are staying on unemployment that shouldn't and I think that they're stronger than we think they are, and they will be stronger on the other side. So, some subset of people out there, a guy won't be able to I. mean that's what sounds like the bottom line. Artificially right now. They're okay, and they can open up. Their pocketbooks and retail sales can jump, but in reality in three months. Whenever these programs end, that's over. That's over and it's. It has to end and listen full disclosure. I, mean again I think people watch the show and I know you get tired of hearing. Say and I'll say it again for the hundredth time. In my opinion, some of the biggest villains of amongst many of the twenty first century are GonNa be central bankers. I bring that up because. Because go back to that Jerome Powell sixty minutes when he was asked a question. Where does this money come from and effectively answered? We've created out of thin air. People watching that say themselves. I can't create money out of put my bank account. Why can they and if you don't think that infuriates people just not paying attention so part of this narrative. The foot of the Fed is well. People say you know what why should I pay my bills when they can create money just like that I? Don't think that's discussed enough and I think that's one of the many unintended consequences of what's going on. And if it happens again in terms of another round of this stuff, it's just going to get worse that cycle. That's circle will become something. You can't extricate yourself from in my opinion Tammy Ron. Well Yeah. I agree with guy and we're we're. We're equally frustrated. I think is peers on what the Fed has done an overstaying their welcome, but but you in the context of this question of what's happening to the consumer where they're going to be on the other side, isn't the Fed going to nationalize their debts as well I mean are people not paying student loans to think at some point? The government's actually going to take them on so. I hate this, but I'm telling you that. That's part of central banks, overstaying their welcome in the new world of nationalizing both corporate balance sheets, and essentially nationalizing. Excuse me the consumer bounty I think we're GONNA see a lot more of that in the fall Karen. Well. I just think there's a little bit of extinction I mean. The Treasury is the actual one is just sort of giving the money away right in the fund is. The Fed is sort of funding that debt that the treasury will need to take right so. I. I agree with Stephen that it's an election year. And I think that the possibility of us not getting anymore. You sort of candy is very low so I. don't I don't want to bet against the Fed even though I think the market is so high given where this economy is Laura next gusts, these loan defaults creating more turmoil in the economy. Let's bring in Lindsay pigs Chief Economist Lindsey great to have you with us. Thanks for having me so recent data has been not bad retail sales last jobs report, but you say this is not a good reflection of where we are. Where are we that well, I do think that the data is a step in the right direction, but it reflects more of a temporary improvement. Consumers were pent up facing an extreme amount of pent up demand, and so we did see this binge in May after an equally downsized a disappointment in April, but when we look at where we are from a longer term, perspective, consumption is still down eight percent from. From those pre pandemic levels in January, and on the Labor side Yes, we did add surprisingly two million jobs in the latest report, but on net we're still talking about a loss of twenty million, so these are tiny steps in the right direction, suggesting that we've moved into the second phase of this three three-phase pathway to recovery, starting at the initial stages of that deep declined. We've moved now to the bounds, but to get to a longer term sustainable pathway to recovery. It's going to be very slow very bumpy and quite a ways before we can talk about sustainable. Improvements in the growth rate as an economist, I'm curious Lindsey. At what point in time do you think you will get the data points that reflect the true state of the consumer and the economy is it? Is it a month? Is it three months? Is it two quarters? I do think the data right now reflects the true state of the consumer, but it's very volatile, and the consumer is in a very volatile state. State very dramatically shifting their spending patterns month-to-month. This isn't something that we normally see, but it reflects the chaotic natural of the consumer at this point, but I think what you're getting to win. Do we see more stable data points to get a better sense of the underlying trend and I don't think we're going to get that until closer to the end of the year or return the calendar page into two thousand. Thousand Twenty one. We start to see some stability in the economy, and we start to get some stability in terms of the labor market, as businesses reopened back to a more normal level of capacity in the marketplace. Right now we're still talking about some businesses reopening some waiting until the restrictions change from twenty five to fifty to a full one hundred percent capacity, so there still is a lot of volatility in terms of. Of How businesses and how business is going to function in the marketplace so I don't think we're going to see that true level of calming trend until sometime at the end of the year or next in terms of in terms of loan exposure Lindsay I'm curious as to how you take a look at this figure of one hundred million loans that aren't being paid in the latest month, and also what the? The ripple effects of that are I mean what was interesting. This Wall Street Journal article that that brought this whole whole thing is that they noted that in in doing a credit score miss, payments are noted in are factored in, but not loans that are in deferral of some sort, and so you know a banker or lender, taking a look at the state of a consumer right now may not be getting the full. Full Picture and I. Ask you this knowing that your former mortgage analysts so you might have some insight on this well I think there's actually two diverging themes, and what we're seeing in terms of the consumer sector right now on the one hand there are millions of Americans that are skipping payments particularly when it comes to student loans, auto loans, and this is reflecting, both that increasingly favorable terms in terms of the. The debt older so those debtholders allowing the consumer to skip those payments, but it's also reflecting very reduced financial conditions on in terms of both the individual and the household remember the pandemic has left. Millions of businesses and workers displaced on the other hand. We're also seeing Americans pay down debt at this point, particularly credit card debt now. This is more a reflection of reduced expenditures, so we have been lockdown for the. The past several months, but it's also reflection of access to increase income, so we're seeing very favorable unemployment benefits, stimulus checks, other government programs, and some Americans have actually a benefited from this, and they're taking that opportunity to pay down debt levels, so we're seeing two very different themes when it comes to the debt market, some may actually emerge from the pandemic in stronger financial footing, while others may face increase financial ruin. Lindsey great to speak with you. Thank you. Thank you Lindsey pigs of St Paul. Karen, especially as a banks are preparing for the stress tests next week. How do you? How do you view how they're going to do? In those tests and whether or not there might be extra stresses. Put on them in this process this time around. I well. I think there's. This stress test were obviously put in place post, a two thousand eight crisis for terrible scenarios, and we actually are in one however sort of ironic i. think if ever the stress tests were to give banks a little more room it'd be. Just a little easier graders that would be now because they really want those banks to just keep functioning so I don. We talked yesterday about the idea of J. P. Morgan have a dividend cut as might be priced into their options. I really don't think so I think we're GONNA see I think we're gonNA see almost across the of the stress tests. I hope that helps bank. Bank equities all right We gotta be calling. Tesla today Jeffries. Upping its price target to twelve hundred bucks a share. That's a new street. High analysts say the COVID crisis accelerating demand for electric vehicles, they also know Tesla continues to lead its peers and product, range, capacity and Technology Tesla, gaining more than a percent today, and it's interesting to see You know some of the other. Makers stocks trade up in today's session. Neo for instance the Chinese equivalent if you will. Traded. I believe an all time high on record volume guy. Yeah and listen again for the for the hundredth time. I'll say that Tesla befuddles me. I understand it that a lot of people get an I. Don't but what I have said over the last month or so is the comments made going back to the president's interview with Joe Kernan in January when you know basically brought up Elon Musk and ever since that point, the stocks only gone higher, and for further proof, in terms of how the impervious stock is seven hundred dollars at the end of May Elon Musk basically said the stock. Stock is too expensive on paraphrasing that lasted for about a day. And now here we are some forty three percent or so higher, so it's clear that the trajectory of the stock is higher, and that's way after plate. It'll do it without me, and it's done that for quite some time, but it doesn't mean to. Folks at home should still be in it. Crass I hear believer in the bridge to the other side. You're a believer. The liquidity so is this one of these traits just hop on board and and enjoy the ride. Yeah. You have to hop on board. Enjoy the ride. I I'm a little concerned over the nosebleed territory, but you could have said that all the way from the price where they raise money I think that was a seven sixty seven or thereabouts. The stock its ability to work off overbought on an RS I. If I look at the chart now. It was over bought at a thousand twenty five. Traded down to nine hundred ninety worked off the overbought status. It's no longer overbroad. Even when you look at the chart where it is now, remember it had a head start, so we were talking about all these names pre pandemic. We talked about all the competition. talked about four talking about GM. W but all of those car companies took a stutter step, and if anything Tesla is been keeping at it while the other ones are making masks and inhalers. What you have now is tesla spread the gap between them and Tesla. So I think you're trying to ride this one out. Look for support in the name. It's obviously around the twenty days moving averages nine hundred, so you have a lot of room between here and then, but that's your exit strategy and test keep playing at a higher and play it for nine hundred exit on on the way down all right well. We are just getting started here fast money still ahead. We'll hear from the ripple. He is making big waves in the crypto currency world I. What did Kim Kardashian Harley Quinn have in common. No, it's not the next summer blockbuster we've got. 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Big things happening at spot apparently grasso. What's your take on this one? So I'm about thirty percent in this trade in about five days or so, so that's nosebleed territory and normally I would say well first of all the viewer can do whatever they want with it. The exits up to the end customer so to speak, but when you look at podcasts, the headwind that spotify had was Amazon because Amazon got in here. It was gonNA. Kill everybody else in the space. That doesn't seem to be. Be Happening when you look at it on a chart, we're not out of gas just yet. It can pull back just a little bit, but it just speaks to the positioning here that no one thought it would rip this. Hi, this fast I saw unusual option activities six times normal call volume about a week ago, and that's why I bought it I'm staying long just a little bit longer guy quickly on spot your thoughts. Great Call by Steve. Says take money and run. You gotTA listen to him, but it does feel like it has further Romani upside all right moving on checkout shares of Kroger. Falling into the red today, despite topping key went earnings, estimates and giving upbeat guidance for the rest of the year, shares of the grocery chain are up more than fifty percent from its march lows Karen. What do you make this move? Well I think that's the part that being up so much from the bottom I. think is really. You know the quarter was decent I think there's some disappointment that they're not giving. More guidance on the rest of the year. I don't know how anyone can give to actually so I mean it's not expensive here, certainly relative to itself, but I remember back a year or two ago when the Amazon threat was just seemed to be insurmountable obstacle. Maybe that's not the case anymore, but for the business, not they're. They're doing a good job. It's just that business except such thin margins. Margins that it's not for me so I. Don't own it all right. Well, Kroger, not the only beaten down named today take a look at US steel, falling double digits after the company warned its second quarter losses would be worse than expected the company also raising four hundred twenty nine million dollars. There are common stock offering a fifty million shares on Tim. You just mentioned this earlier this week. Yes so the story. There is a company that has enormous both. GDP sensitivity a levered balancing going into covid nineteen. That was part of. A three year trend really in a trend that some of this trade war and the irony, of course we protecting steel companies in throwing tariffs. US steel went from forty five dollars down to five. This is a stock that I think ultimately does raise money when they can. So it's a twenty nine percent dilution, and they're not unlike some other companies who spend time talking about in the last month that that if they can raise money here they will, and it's about having liquidity, even if it's painful, dilution so I believe in the trade and be clear. This is a stock that I think has. A lot of you know kind of default dynamics priced into it and I don't even think they're close to that again. They raised money here defensively, but it's it's not a trade for the faint of heart I mean it's it's no question. A lot of these resource companies that are tethered to also expectations of a stimulus plan. That's not why you own you. Steel own it on recovery and hot, rolled steel, and some some GDP recovery, but that they're not going to have the financial distress. Balancing is price didn't guy. I agree with Tim. He nailed this. I was going to mention you know prior to all the talk about trade wars, and what have you US steel was a forty three dollar stock headed probably fifty dollars. All the steel stocks were crushing it, and now you see where they are. You know year and a half two years later it's it's fascinating quickly about Kroger Karen saying. It was actually a very good quarter. Margins were much better. Operating income was was like nine hundred and fifty million dollars same quarter last year up to one point four billion dollars now i. I think the only reason. In my opinion, the stock is lower says they didn't want to give guidance, but this is not an expensive stock, and if you really parse through this quarter, it actually is very good. I think you by Kroger. On this weakness coming up tracking trades on Robin Hood Started College side. GIG per next gusts now. His project is one of Wall Street's biggest obsessions. We'll talk to the founder of Robin. 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Yeah, this is an awful situation Alex Kerns, telling his parents in his suicide note seen by CNBC that he had lost hundreds of thousands of dollars on the trading APP Robinhood, according to his family, the college sophomore was studying management and had a growing interest in financial markets and according to a screen shot, he left his account Alex had racked up a negative seven hundred thirty thousand dollar cash balance, but his. His cousin, who we spoke to says Alex may have misinterpreted what he owed. It could have been reflecting the other side of an option trade that had not yet settled Finra of course requires brokerage firms to approve clients for that type of trading with tragedy underlines the risks of complicated derivatives, especially for the flood of new retail investors that we're seeing this year Melissa Curious Kate has robinhood, said anything about this stuff. They have they issued a response? They have reached shots family, and that they are looking into the way that they offer options trading. We don't know what that looks like yet, and they wouldn't tell us any of the details about the account, but they could end up changing the way that they actually do options. And like we mentioned others in the industry have similar allegations of. Putting out a questionnaire or some sort of requirement and survey of what type of trader the person is in their account, balance and other things sophistication, before they approve the trader for doing options, and this could change the way in the safeguards around some of the option trading in the industry. All Right, Kate, thank you kate, Rooney. Well Alex Kerns was just one of ten million robinhood users in that number of course has grown in this pandemic and continues to grow as retail trading picks up at the center of the day. Trading boom site called Robin track. It is unaffiliated with Robin Hood, but it does use the information from the trading platform to track the latest trends among its users. It's become a key resource to major money, managers and traders alike joining us now is Casey Primos the founder of Robin track great to have you with us. You're having me. You were a student in college and this was your your side project. I'm wondering how you got this idea and why? You thought this could be useful. So I'm rob user. Myself ended their platform and. I noticed that republishing the popularity numbers on their website, but. I noticed that you didn't really get into context. All you saw the number. I built a couple of other tracking. What says in the past? It's kind of thing I'm interested in I saw the opportunity to do it. I was just curious for the most part and Robin. Trek was the result. I mean I. I for one check. Robin track almost every day to get a handle on. What's going on in the retail trader brain case I'm wondering how you've seen traffic pickup throughout this pandemic. So yeah, those been very dramatic increase in traffic. multiple hundreds of percents increase been a lot of people on both institutional retail side who are trying to get a better idea of what retail traders are up to? Say on this dramatic increase as a result of the epic associated increase in retail trading activity. Casey it's Tim, Seymour. Thank you for joining us. I'm curious. In terms of some of the the trends in terms of time of day in terms of frequency in other words, number of times per day, and how some of this has changed since the crisis Tell us what you see. so rabbitry collects the popularity every stock on the brokerage every hour and popularity is the number of unique accounts that old any amount of shares I've seen a lot of the popularity changes happen rather dramatically it, spending on like events or changes in price is. That what you wanted to know or It would be interesting to know what time of day or retail investors are the jumping right at the open, obviously again, understanding when you see the most momentum in the market time is very important to trading and how you want. Be Tactical on your own. Yes I've seen. There's a lot of different times when it comes off in a lot of activity, right at the open, and especially the before close sort of matching movements and press. being said like all. The things that drag changes are news events or other social media trends, so yeah, it can vary a lot depending on the stock and the portrait. I Casey you had mentioned that. A lot of institutions and hedge funds have expressed interest in and using this data. Do you get a sense of how exactly they're using it? and Are you worried that they perhaps are using it at the expense of retail trader that perhaps they are are sort of riding momentum and selling and letting the retail trader hang on. So, here's the thing a lot of these big institutions. They get the state a through other means like they order flow directly from the brokerages. They have a lot of ways to get similar kinds of fatal, almost sometimes, even more granular accurate. But think about Robin poked the publishing popularity for everyone. is that it gives a broader access to it, so there's definitely a lot of people who have been collecting See them with automated scrapers or just using the data download on the website. But at the same time, a lot of these different firms in brokerages or What have the state at some other way, so the fact that Robert did or Robin track budget is almost For the retail traders in non-institutional investors who are trying to get a better picture. So you think that retail traders can use the robin track data in order to trade better for themselves, just knowing where the momentum is or do you feel in any way, concerned about some of the it sounds like you're kind of an experienced trader yourself having been a follower of the markets and having the sense to know that tracking, this data and just sort of putting this data together is important. that. There are a lot of newar traders in the market now and they could just be. Trading these pennies stop I. mean a lot of a lot of the the biggest changes that you track happening in five letter stocks. That's true, so. Need to keep in mind is robin track is just a tool. It's data. You can use data for constructive purposes. You can use it to put some bias of your own. In my opinion, having more data is almost always a good thing. It's up to you know it's just another tool in the arsenal traders trying to get a better handle on things, and it's up to them how they use it in my opinion, I think it's definitely a valuable thing to see how the other retail transacting acting. So you're know if you're. Somo bubble or whether or not the company does. Legitimate. Price changes her reflecting actual chances fundamentals. Last question to you case before we let you go. Are you making money off of this? I'm not making. Money I've advertising. But I will never have never charged for access to data a big fan of robinhood providing free on reflect that. All the data freely will jeeter to do so. into the beach. Casey, great to speak with you, thank you. Casey premise at the Creator Robin track. We've talked about the rise of the retail trader and the importance of the retail trader, and I think that there are a lot of different views on the impact of the retail trader on the markets guy. I'm curious what you? We had Jim Bianco on earlier this week saying that he absolutely believed that the retail trader was force in the market momentum higher. Yeah. I believe that as well weeks ago. We talked about the fact that don't underestimate the the notion that with sports not around people are going from there sports gambling to the market and I. Think listen like him hate him agnostic about him. Dave portnoy introduce a lot of people to the market for better or for worse. I'm not gonNA take a stand either way, but people are in the market, but. But the story that Kate spoke about is a tragedy and think about the number. She mentioned his account and I can't speak exactly, but you're talking about three quarters of a million dollars on one side potentially the offset in an option straight on the other side. This is a young person. which how did that happen in the first place? If you think about it and it's something that Tim mentioned the other day. It's one thing that five thousand dollars in your account, and if you lose it, you lose it. You live to fight another day another thing that five thousand dollars and you count. And, have the ability to margin it up. That could be catastrophic and I think that's what we're talking about. Here and people should really understand the difference between the two. Here all right coming up mall operator Simon Property may be having a little buyer's remorse over its deal with Taubman centers, but is the deal nearly over. We're going to dig into that later. How the work from home boom could changing the car market? In America? The new numbers went fast returns. Welcome back to pass on either mall deal drama heating up. Taubman centers isn't taking the break up of its deal with Simon property, lying down the mall operator, saying Simon knew there was a pandemic when it inked to takeover agreement in February, so it can't buyer's remorse now. Simon Meantime says the pandemic has disproportionately affected how many remains confident it can prove in court that decision to pull the plug was valid well. Court is in session. Here on. The, Karen turn to take the stand brief points. You want to make in defense of this deal. What are the Karen? Right well, the main one is that Simon has the overwhelmingly better given the strength of the merger. I mean one of the one of their arguments, which that they allege that Simon of in March new of what their? Budget would be for twenty twenty right? Another one is that. That Simon Cherry picked. Competitors, to compare Simon, that really shouldn't have been competitors like a Walmart or home depot. They're not in the luxury mall space, right? The third one is that. It doesn't Simon this is. Calvin is saying they haven't shown any reason that we don't have that. We've heard our long-term ability to make money that they haven't shown that. The most important thing is that this is there's no question Simon has very a very bad case of buyer's remorse, because this is one of the worst. Timed deals that I remember for I. Don't know how long it's. Obviously. February was not the right time to sign up a huge deal at a gigantic price with a merger agreement. That's just about as tight as any. I've ever seen no wonder. They have buyer's remorse I still ultimately think that a deal will get done. Maybe it's a cut deal, or maybe it's possibly even the original deal we'll see and it'll be. We'll we'll. We'll get something from the court no later than August twenty fourth, but maybe sooner. So basically you think tough luck Simon Property. That all your arguments are pretty slim. He's luck. Yeah it was a terribly the probably the worst deal right in the history of malls, February ninth sign a deal right just before the precipice. Where there is a carve out in the takeout agreement. Around pandemics. It's just it's remarkable, Tim. Yeah. Can't brings up the right points, and if you look at other mall operators, it's a difficult time and I'll let. The Merger Arb- folks. Has Been Pretty interesting. There's Simon obviously had a sixty five. Percent Move on speculation that they might be able to break the deal. And now that's some of that's coming off. I'll just say for people that are assessing this kind of big trend here and think about the housing market in the home builder's and that trade in two thousand, eight nine, and it was very obvious what was going on the housing market, and you still had plenty of opportunities to to make a call. I'm not saying you know patently rush out and go short mall, operators and commercial real estate, but the commercial real estate environment. Environment is got a terrible setup and I realize a lot of these names have already suffered enormous pain and draw downs, but if you think about what's going on in urban centers, if you think about the change in consumer profile, look at all the e commerce data were getting in the digital online. mastercards just said we're up ninety three percent in e commerce point, not going out to the malls, and then back into the office space, so I think this is a trade in terms of being short. This sector that there's still more to do. quickly, what would your verdict? Be If. You were in that court room. I mean it seemed pretty ironclad, and I think some of the lawyers have wrote up. These documents been on the show before. I'm not mistaken, so but again you know I I don't litigate for for career so I will. I will hold off on judgment what I will say this. I'm sort of with Tim. On this whole thing, not only was the. The timing bat the setup going ended. This whole thing was horrible as well I mean six months ago before anybody ever heard of Covid, the environment wasn't all that great, and if you look now in this sort of circle back to how we lead the show from what I'm reading, All America is, they've missed the last three months of their payments so. I'm hard pressed to understand how this rectifies itself and how we get back to any semblance of where we were a year ago I. Just don't see it happening, so I think the Tim's point. The timing not might be great, but we stocks can be hard pressed to go higher. Coming up ripple making its debut on CNBC's disruptor, fifty lists CEO Brad guarding house is no stranger to fast money. He makes his return to reveal how ripple is shaking up payment space plus some twists and turns in the auto market traders are betting. One stock is about to kick into high gear. We will reveal the name would best money returns. Welcome back to pass money. We've got a mark flash on marathon petroleum. Let's get to, too. Melissa it's up roughly about three percents on six hundred thousand shares of. Volume and this is on some Dow Jones headline saying that Marathon. Petroleum the twenty five billion dollar oil refiner, not to be confused with the exploration and production company. He's looking to proceed with potential buyers of its speedway gas station unit. They're trying to sell it. It could have held evaluation about fifteen billion dollars to eighteen billion dollars in the pre covid, nineteen kind of estimate, but right now they're also looking at a possible spin off of the company, so it looks like it's restarting things trying to get this speedway. speedway units sold or spun off to shareholders or to the public in some way shape or form, but that's what's moving the stock right now, and that's the reason why it's up again about three and a half percent right now. Six hundred sixteen thousand shares after hours volumes will let you know if anything else happens with this story, but that's the reason why Melissa back over to you guys all right. Don thanks dumped you and we do see the popular four percent now. Steve What do you make of this news? Yeah so, would you look at this as don? Dob said there's a bunch of things that go into the calculus here. Energy is somewhat on investable, but when this thing pops, it's almost a triple off the low that we've recently seen, and the stock is still down thirty six percent. That should tell you something right well. It is that time of year again CNBC is out with our disruptive. List of fifty companies shaking up their industry and reforming the way they operate number twenty eight on this year's list is no stranger to our fast money, crypto audience ripple, making its debut on the disruptor fifty list, so you Brad Garlan. House joins US now. Brag great to see you again. Welcome back to fast money. Thank you for having me. And despite the Times, yeah, very strange, times indeed on this day that you debut on on the disruptor fifty list you're also making a announcement yourself in terms of your your backing of pay I. Can you explain what this is? And why this sort of simplifies how crypto had transferred money in the past? Absolutely so at its core ripple has been all about enabling what we call an internet value. Let's make all of these different networks that really don't talk to each other interoperable. We've all had the experience. When you ask a friend and you say hey, I need to pay you money. Are you in, Venlo? Are you on pay, PAL or outside united? States all they pay your pay you. Isn't it funny? When I asked him for a phone number I, don't say. Are you on at and T.? R. U. ON HORIZON I just get their phone number. The idea behind pay. is to simplify the ability to send someone money the same way you make it easy as easy as email i. don't ask, are you on Google or Yahoo I? Just sent an email and so pay. ID enables whether you're large bank or use a very successful regional bank in Chicago called I line. If you're an account holder there now to send you money, it should be as easy as typing. Brad dollar signed Garland House, and whether it's resolving to a byline bank or to bitcoin. Naming infrastructure can be much more much simplified and. I want to try and understand more. What in who this disrupt? So who do you see as the main user of this sort of technology? Is it consumer to consumer money, transfer or ultimately? Could it be accompanied paying another company for? I know buying buying a unit of there's for instance or inventory or I mean. How could this be? Well let me start by saying throughout the word disruption that I actually don't look at this. We're thrilled and honored to be on the disruptor list I. think their chickens, silicon. Valley can be a word that it's overused that it worked for her. I think to some degree. It's not a move fast and break. Stuff is about building. It's about partnering and enabling so when I think about what pay I. Think about what ripples doing overall. How do we partner with the industry and make it more efficient how to make it better for consumers better for small businesses? What we're seeing? Is Not it's going to disrupt a banker disruptive pinup writer. It's going to make the more efficient. It's reduce friction easier for consumers for small businesses, and if we can reduce the brick tion of payments, we actually to unlock a lot of things. We don't really think about micro payments. There's a whole bunch of all science fiction. Bladerunner examples that if the friction our payment, you can go to zero. It's GonNa make lives a lot simpler lot better. It's going to bring people into the financial community that are either. Bang Bang. Brad, we're going to leave it there, but it's always great to speak with you. Absolutely. Thanks for having me back Darling House. You can find the full disruptors fifty list at CNBC DOT com again. That was ripple. Which of course you might know X. Rpi currency caring? What do you I? Mean this this. Ripple ripples customers are in fact banks, so this is not necessarily a disruption to the banks, but he makes a good point in terms of removing that friction of transaction. Well that makes sense I think this is more evolution than Than Disruption, but I'm also wondering sort of on a related note about in this post, covert world people are probably GONNA WANNA. Use Cash physical cash a lot less and have. Touch Louis, inner interactions, and I wonder if that will improve the adoption where quickly of some of these other payments. All right coming up. How the auto market could be reading up for big? Break out the details when we come right back? Welcome active fast money today. CNBC is launching America at home a brand new series where we take a look deeper into the waves. American life and American businesses have changed during the coronavirus pandemic, the ways we live and work how we communicate with friends and family how we travel, and even how we say put have all changed radically now are very un-filipino joins us for more on how that is impacting. The auto industry fell. A Melissa. A lot of people thought that once we had people sheltering in place. This would be terrible auto sales for several months, but Seeing quite the opposite in fact when you look at the new vehicle market JD power tracks retail sales on a weekly basis. Look where it was on March twenty ninth down fifty nine percent where it was for the week that ended on Sunday, the fourteenth down just four percent now though sales are recovering in spite of the fact that we're seeing lower incentives out at the dealerships, there are fewer of those zero. Zero percent for four-month deals that are out there, and they're strong demand right now for pickups, SUV's but are more people coming in because they've decided look, I'm not taking mass transportation. I'M NOT GONNA. CAR-SHARING MORE I'm going to buy a new vehicle. Well. Toyota executives did say this week that there are reports from some of their dealers that they are seeing more first time. Buyers were people who didn't have A. A vehicle and now getting back into the market on the use side of the market, you are definitely seeing the impact of people saying I gotta find some other means for getting around the average price for a used vehicle right now, twenty, one, thousand, seven, hundred and fifty two dollars, according to Cox automotive strong sales in June. They are surging around the country. Remember forty million US vehicles were sold last year. Year that was a record two. You WanNa. Watch sonic automotive, which came out with an update earlier this week talking about improving sales in the month of June, and then you've got carmax which is reporting its earnings tomorrow morning, we'll see what carmax has to say about people rotating into us, Vehicles Melissa because of sheltering in place announcing, I'm not going to be using mass transportation or car-sharing whatever it might be. As people may know Phil I don't really drive I live in New York, city and I. I'm not familiar with the price of vehicles, but a used vehicle price on average at twenty one thousand dollars north of that seems kind of high and I'm wondering at what point do consumer so you know what instead of paying twenty one thousand for us I'm going to pay an extra five grand for a new car. Well. You'd be paying a lot more than look the average price for a new vehicle Melissa, and this has been driven up because of what we're seeing with pickup trucks and large SUV's the average price for a new vehicle. You're getting up in the range of thirty six thirty seven thousand dollars, so that twenty one thousand dollars, actually the loan gap between new and use it keeps expanding a little bit, but that that is the difference right now. If you were saying okay, I'm just going to pay a little bit more for a new vehicle. You're actually paying quite a bit more. Yeah fell thanks. And by the way out there. Don't ask me I'm out of touch on this front. I will admit it first hand I. Don't know anything about vehicles. A Guy I should go to you on. A number of directions I can take this conversation. None of which are good, but I will say this Carmax is fascinating. This trade and a thirty seven dollars I think on March twentieth a closed at ninety eight today as Phil mentioned they report before I before the open tomorrow go back and look the prior all time high was one. Oh, one back in February I think you wait and see what they say because you really have no choice, but I think opens hundred. Breaking out to the upside, and it's not an expensive stock, so I think Carmax is fascinating here. Mill speaking of tarmac. Let's get the options action on this one The is more than doubled since March lows Mike Oh. What do you see? Yeah, it's interesting. What guy was just talking about? Because the options market seems to agree with them about five times the average daily options volume today bullish beds outpaced bearish ones by about two to one, and it's implying about a six percent which is in line with the five point two percent. It has averaged over the last eight quarters. Activity was concentrated in the one hundred dollar calls it expire tomorrow, so that's obviously bets on earnings. Buyers of those are betting that the earnings will actually provide good news, and you're going to see further upside all right? My thanks for that for more options action full show tomorrow, five thirty PM eastern time time for the final trae. Let's go around the Horn Tin. Used cars and fixing up your house I mean look the the diy trade so home. Improvement lows is one of the great rerating stories of the last five years. There's no reason that's GonNa stop now. In fact, I think it's got a lot more to go Karen. It's too little too late for her, but actually used car prices being so good for them, but that's not my final trade. It's that the consumer is still there. WHERE THEY WANNA. Go per. Month! spotify the June to thirty calls expire tomorrow I, think you're going to see a magnet to that price like we saw today, and maybe even you pop through it spotify. Dami. Anybody has a sixty seven black GTO convertible. Let me know at me. Kroger I think the weaknesses. Wrong, I think program Grosser from here. All right thanks for watching fastest feedback at smart five or more meantime. That money starts right now. Fractional shares trading is now available for all fidelity customers on the fidelity. Mobile APP by US stocks. ETF's commission free based on how much you WANNA spend instead of by the share, fractional share quantities can be entered up to three decimal places as long as the value of the orders. 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BOX130: Mayonnaise Is Not The Boss Of Me!

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BOX130: Mayonnaise Is Not The Boss Of Me!

"What follows may not be suitable for all audiences. Listener discretion is advised. Inch four stories. Stories of mysteries. Curiosities. Jeez. Jew in and Joe through Gilligan tov for the strange. The unexpected as the bid and also sleep, you're inside the box. Oddities. Let me just take you inside the mind of cat for a moment. Just so you get to know her a little bit better. She tends to be a little oppositional defiant from time to time in. Well, let me give you an example. It's a beautiful day here on the lake in Maine. It has gorgeous and we're getting ready for a barbecue later this afternoon and cat was getting set to make some deli salads and pulled out the squeeze bottle of mayonnaise and was reading the side of it. And it said, refrigerate after opening and store on refrigerator door and then made angry. Well, it's just I mean it's really not up to you helman's. I get to decide where things are stored at my refrigerator. It was stored on the refrigerator door. But because the mayonnaise told her no on the shelf now. Yeah, I told the shelf, she she's oppositional defiant when it comes to condiments. It's now. I mean there's a lot of stuff in the door. So that's why it's on the shelf. It's not because it is. Little bit, isn't it? It's a little bit because you don't want helman's Boston you around it'd to be the boss of me. And it wasn't for Delhi salad because, you know, I don't make those with manny's. I was just organizing because we're getting ready to because if we're going to be doing burgers, than I wanna have make sure I have everything that we need done. Thank you. I don't like a man as he salad. I love. I know it's a mayonnaise. Ing. Now. She's angry at me. Reminds me I saw T shirt being advertised, the other day that said dad jokes. I think you mean RAD jokes, I thought of you, thank you so much. Hey, welcome to Jim herald campfire listeners. Oh, thank you so much for joining us. Jim herald has given us a couple of nice endorsements, and we appreciate that, and you are so welcome here. Also appreciate being able to follow his trip in England via his Instagram. Page has been amazing cat living vicariously through other people's Instagram photos in meticulous, organizer of sandwich spreads. I go I here we go. Are you ready, ready? Okay today. I'm gonna talk about lesser known Hollywood scandals. Oh, I love a Hollywood scandal. Joan crawford. We watched mommy dearest a while ago. And you know, it's a one of those almost a cult status film, at the, at this point, and I hadn't seen it. So it was one of. Our Halloween October fest. Advent calendar movies. You didn't you thought it was more of a slasher film, right? Did well it sounds like it would be. But obvious. It's scary in its own way for shore. Yeah. Well, Joe Joan Crawford became before she became a star. She appeared in at least it least one pornographic film. Oh, really? I did not know it was called velvet lips. Oh, that's very graphic. And according to rancor as the story goes MGM, spent years and thousands and thousands of dollars tracking the movie down in destroying it. Wow. Now, she, of course, was one of the biggest stars at MGM and the people who headed the studio, obviously, they wanted to control the image of their stars as we're big investments and that was, you know, that was just that could not get out, and it's so funny, because, like now that's what makes you a celebrity. And you don't have to be signed to a studio. You just need an Instagram account. So allegedly MGM's notorious fixer. His name was Eddie, Mannix, and you're going to hear his name repeatedly throughout my segment. That is a great name Eddie, Mannix very early. Hollywood sounding the it is in. So he was a fixer for the studios and what that meant was when stuff like this would arise. He would in any way possible. Take care of the problem. Right. To buy the film back or to intimidate people to give him the film. So what I guess happened is some people did find. A film and they contacted the studio. And they said, we want one hundred thousand dollars cash or we're going to release this in ruin the reputation of, of your biggest star, the story is that Eddie Mannix was sent out by the studios to fix the situation allegedly, he had mob ties in so he made them an offer. They couldn't refuse if you'll pardon the expression and said he said, no, we're not going to give you the hundred thousand dollars. We're going to give you a choice. We're going to give you twenty five thousand dollars or I'm going to kill you and take it. That's the story. It's not verify. But that's the Hollywood lore regardless they got the film. They destroyed it. And when Joan Crawford left, MGM in nineteen forty-three. She paid the studio fifty thousand dollars which was really very unusual. That was just not done. And many people, Hollywood historians believe that she was paying the studio back for acquiring and destroying the negatives of fell at lips valve it lips. Wow. Aero Flynn Errol Flynn was a swath buckling, early ACTA. Yes. Yes, exactly. He was best known for his role in those types of films, mostly silent era. Well, yes island error films. He starred in pitchers, like captain blood, and that's the one that most people think of, you know, we swinging around on a rope on a pirate ship, he was also he played Robin Hood in the nineteen twenty. Twenty three or four version of that interestingly enough. The guy played friar tuck in that version of the film. I believe it's that version was Alan HALE, whose son played the skipper on Gilligan's island. Oh, Ellen junior. Okay. So anyway, Errol Flynn was he stood trial for statutory rape. He was famously quoted as saying, I like my whiskey old and my women young. Well, that's gross. Yeah. He was accused of sleeping with two seventeen year old girls. I don't know if it was at the same time or not. But he denied the charges. He said, no, this was not true yet. But we have you've said that you like you're, you're skilled and your main, so you okay? He could afford the best attorneys in Hollywood quite obviously. And they worked hard to turn the jury against the accusers not very much. Unlike what happens today? So the jury acquitted him and after after the trial, one of the accusers. Was quoted as saying the jury just sat and looked at Doering Lee at him as if he were their son or something. Gross, and that scandal didn't do anything to stop Flynn's appetite for younger women during the trial, he met this was during the trial. He met a nineteen year old who he married at the time of his death. He was only fifty years old, and he was in the relate in a relationship with a girl who was fifteen at white. Oh, Errol Flynn everyone. Not cool. I struggle with that kind of thing because I, I wonder like what kind of home life, she had because so often people who are predators, find kids who are I don't have a stable home life. And sometimes their parents can be talked into allow. Or you know there's a lot of examples of that. And I just always feel like it's that adds to the damage, like there's a, it's a Parfait of fuck ary in that child's life. And it's awful. Earl Flynn was involved in all kinds of weird stuff, one of his drinking buddies. John Barrymore also a huge star. The Barrymore family is at drew Barrymore's, great grandson or something like that. They were drinking buddies in when berry more died. Aero Flynn and his buddies went and dug up Barrymore's body and took them to the house for one last round. Oh, wow. Okay. Again, we can again at Bernie's, which has we all know is Rachel's actual favorite movie for reference number one for this episode nineteen thirty two Jean Harlow, Jean Harlow, big movie, star, one of the blonde bombshells of the day lovely in nineteen thirty two or husband, who was a producer. His name was Paul Byrne. Died of an apparent suicide and his body was found. He was he was naked lying in the living room floor with a gun in his hand and a note that said, quote, dearest, dear unfortunately, this is the only way to make good the frightful wrong. I have done you and to wipe out my abject humiliation. I love you, Paul. And then it said you understand that last night was only a comedy, so they assumed it was police assumed it was, it was a suicide note, but we're so many things that they couldn't make heads or tails out of Carlos refusal to talk about it other than to say that she wasn't. Home at the time, she would she was at her mother's house. MGM Harlow 's studio moved quickly with a fixer to kind of clean up the situation. They arrived at Harlow home in the morning. The morning that the body was found. And they say that there is some evidence that something nefarious was happening research conducted years, later suggests burn, most likely did not kill himself, while living in New York. I guess years before meeting Harlow. He was involved with an actress whose name was Dorothy millet, and he was romantically involved with her, and she became his common law wife and she, she suffered from mental and emotional issues. The story goes that burn one day, found her in a coma doctor said that she would not come out of it, ten years later burn was with Harlow and Molet woke up and then contacted Paul, Karen. So he said, a date to, to meet with her and sent Jean Harlow away for the evening. This is according to some accounts, he provoked an argument to get her to leave the house burned supposedly died that same night that he had arranged the meeting with Millette and then nine days after burn died. Malek's body was found in the Sacramento river, which leads researchers think that she killed Paul burn after coming out of the coma. Yeah. Oh, so it's all kinds of weird twists and turns there. Right. See I was going the other direction. My brain went to gene found out that he was going to meet with this coma chick, and then killed him. But I see. Okay. Oh, wow. That's that's weird. And of course, the studio was afraid that Jean Harlow was responsible for it. And so they sent their fixers in, you know, so whatever. Greta. Garbo. Marlene Dietrich, two very famous models from the early days of Hollywood. They had a lot in common. They were only four years apart in age. They both came from Europe to Hollywood about the same time Dietrich came from Germany Garbo came from Sweden, and both were rumored to be bisexual and for most of their careers Garbo and Dietrich denied having ever met one another. But in one thousand twenty five at the age of nineteen Garbo appeared in a silent German film, called Joe, the joyless street, and was supposedly working alongside with Dietrich. She was twenty three at the time and but they consistently denied ever having been in the film together or knowing each other, but Diana McLennan, who is an author and film historian, has extensively studied surviving footage of the film, as well as the lives of both Garbo and Dietrich. And she says, according to research, Garbo, and Dietrich headed toward love affair, while filming the joyless street, ha, impressionable Garbo fell head over heels for Dietrich, who had no intent of involving yourself in any sort of a lasting relationship with a with a younger woman, the affair was like a like a flash of gun powder, was bright. And by then quickly faded away and left both actresses. I guess embittered for life. Oh, Dietrich later confided to a friend a writer whose name was Sam Taylor. That Garbo was an unintelligent Scandinavian child who wore dirty. Everywhere. Oh, hey. That is a very strange diss. George Reeves, is yes played superman on TV in the fifties. He was found dead from a bullet wound in his in his head in nineteen Fifty-nine. It would hit had been ruled a suicide but rumors over the years it's hard didn't Christopher Reeves play superman, like yours later. Yes. It's weird. Isn't it is weird? I never thought about that. And then Gerard Christopher in the adventures of super, boy, it gets very confusing. Very much. It's kind of like a dick York dick sergeant sergeant York kind of thing is exactly like that. Thank you. God, is it any reason I love this woman. Well, rumors after George Reeves was found dead rumors began to circulate that foul play was involved because it was a well known fact George Reeves was having an affair with Tori, Mannix, does that name sound familiar now wife of? Infamous Hollywood fixer. Eddie, mannix. Oh, really? Yeah. Why would a fixers wife having an affair? You gotta make better choices industry insiders, say that this really probably wasn't Eddie Mannix is doing because he knew about this affair any actually approved because he was having an affair with another woman at the time, and they were both Catholic, and they weren't going to get any more. Might as well. Get there's. Yup. Exactly. I've got my toys. He's got his. But the rumors that Eddie Mannix was involved have not dissipated, in fact, many years after Reeves died, a very elderly and ill, Tori, Mannix told a friend that Eddie had killed George Reeves. So, okay. So, but oh well, so it's on sold. So we've mentioned Joan Crawford and Jean Harlow. And then there's Judy Garland three huge names in cinema in the thirties and forties. All three of these stars had to take hiatus from shooting film in all three situations. The studio reported them to enter the hospital to get some rest sharing. What was happening is the studio was in forcing that they get abortions. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. If you want to keep your contract, you have to get an abortion. And so they were sending their young stars to hospitals to have abortions performed and in California right now abortion is legal. But with limits, so back, then I doubt very much that would've qualified, even if those laws were in place, but it wasn't just those three women that, that I mentioned a lot of Hollywood stars were either forced by their studio. To get abortions or elected to have them on their own Bette Davis. Joan Crawford Judy Garland to Lula Bankhead Jeanette MacDonald. Lana Turner Dorothy Dane bridge. All of those women had abortions arranged by the studios in often against their wishes God that must be terrible to have to decide between the career that, that you're hoping to continue with and be successful with and having to having to end pregnancy. That's terrible. It's an it. What a terrible place, especially for a woman to be put into at that time where, you know, financial independence is not always, simple or easy abortions became quite common back, then for the economically and socially, independent woman in the air of modern birth control at the time was not widely used to quote, Vanity Fair magazine in the nineteen thirties vamp and man, eating thespian to Lula Bankhead. Got abortions like other women got permanent waves. Wow, that's kind of a glib way to remark on that terrible thing. But okay. Virtuous singer sensation sensation, Jeanette MacDonald, found herself pregnant at nineteen thirty five MGM studio. Boss, Louis b Mayer told his studio fixer to get rid of the problem, McDonald, soon checked into a hospital with quote an ear infection. According to the book, the fixers that's tear in very scary, as well. Because when you consider like you said at that time abortions were not legal. So I'm sure that they had doctors who are performing them. But in the in the thirties, they it typically wasn't a safe procedure. So you're going in for I don't know. It just it, it all makes me feel just awful. And it's all economically motivated, the whole thing is with disregard to a person's personal. Well-being whether it be physical or emotional, for sure. Here's another example, Judy Garland at the studio at MGM. She was subjected to endless types of abuse constant harassment. That's I've heard this. She was even from a very, very young age just terribly mistreated. She was and not just from run of the mill studio executives, but all the way up to Louis b Mayer, he tormented her about her weight, this resulted in Judy starving herself, she got hooked on diet pills, and we know how her life, and it wasn't it wasn't a happy ending for her. She joined the MGM studios, she was only thirteen years old. And at the age of fourteen the studio told her that she looked like quote a fat, little pig in pigtails. At age sixteen in MGM, executive told garland, she was quote, so fat. She looked like a monster. Oh my gosh. At age eighteen mayor pushed garland. This is Louie B Mayer from MGM pushed, Judy Garland, on a diet of black coffee chicken soup. Eighty cigarettes a day and diet pills every four hours, she lived less arrest of her life with an eating disorder and drug addiction. How can you not? I mean when you're fourteen fifteen sixteen your brain's already telling you, those things. Your brains are telling you, you're a monster, and you're not good enough, and you're not what you need to be, you'd venue, have people reinforcing that. And those are the people that you're so desperately trying to please, so that you can work. And it's disgusting and makes me very angry. And finally Clark Gable. We all know him from gone with the wind, frankly my dear. I don't give a damn. He looks very Errol Flynn. Yeah. He had that little pencil moustache very swashbuckling kind of guy a man's man, you know, he was out now he was portrayed as a womanizer, and I don't see how I'm sorry. This is going to be a tangent. I don't see how being a womanizer makes you a man's man. Anyway. That's just that's an outdated term. It's continually presented to us. Like, I'm sorry. James BOND, JAMES BOND is not cool. James BOND is gross JAMES BOND is a manipulator and, and someone who does not take into account the feelings of other of other people. It doesn't make him a cool guy has a bazooka in his car. Yeah. I mean that does make him. But yes, you're right. You're right. So Clark Gable was pushed by the studio as a sex symbol. He they, they marketed him has as a romantic lead. Despite the reputation Gable allegedly was involved with men to in David Brett's book, Clark Gable, the tormented star, the writer alleges that Gable was quote gay for pay and traded favors early in his career for career advancement in cash. So he wasn't actually homosexual but he, he for, for advancement or whatever. Okay. All right. Was that something that they? I mean he was doing it for career advancement. So obviously people within the, the biz knew about it, some of them did it was very early in his career. And at a level that he didn't operate any more. So when he was filming gone with the wind he actually he didn't wanna do that movie because the director at the time was somebody that knew about this. In fact, it had an experience with Clark Gable, so he didn't wanna do this because he was afraid the director was going to expose him right now. That's the rumor nobody knows if that's exactly what happened. But we do though. Gossip here's what did have. Okay halfway through the filming of the movie. He was unceremoniously fired. The director was replaced with Clark Gable's, best friend, Victor Fleming. Okay. So that just kind of added to the sure, sure, sure, I know that the, the scandal like fun part is like, oh. Well, you know, he kind of took some took some business on the sides, and then he could advance his career. But when you think about it a young person trying to get into a business and then older established business people taking advantage of that. I mean that's very rapi is. And so it it sounds tantalizing. But when you look at the like the real logistics of that. It's terrible. It's just terrible. It's very Louis C K weapon is dick out. You know, there's that whole right rhino. They're young comedians, trying to get into the business and, and he's all like, I'm going to expose myself to you. And you know, I don't know I'm no for. You wanna talk about that. I don't think anybody wants to talk about Louis CK's dick really. Anyway. That's what I have Hollywood scandals in hopefully, a few that maybe you had not heard of I hadn't heard of most of those, I will say, almost all of them made me angry. Sorry. There's just so much exploitation, the them that went on and goes on. And. Well, you know, you hear a lot about the casting couch and usually, it's it's thought of as young female starlets that are coming up through the industry, and being taken advantage of male studio executives, you know, which is not a an old story it still happens today. But clearly it's not just women. It's young men as well, too for sure. That's one of the reasons why like you may be familiar with Terry crews coming out and talking about having been assaulted by a studio executive, and he is a very large very strong. Very tough guy fell player who comes out and it's so brave because especially with boys, there's that shame factor. And so I just he blows my mind. I'm just I could not heart. Is Terry crews more. 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So we got the idea for that thing in the middle topic from well, this Email that we received Hello cat Jethro after hearing cat segment on symbiosis. I thought maybe I'd share my own unfortunate experience with an unwelcoming unfortunate symbiotic relationship, Lordy steel yourself. Here we go. Last summer. I spent a lot of time hiking. Whenever the weather was nice. And there was a lot of nice nature trails by where I lived. Well, one day I was, I was showering after a hike. And I noticed what I felt like a scab on a very sensitive part of my male anatomy, it was on the underside where it's kind of impossible to see, but if like a piece of scanner scab, or something, so I decided to ignore it and figure that it would heal itself given time. Flash forward a week later. It was still there and starting to bother me. So I decided to rip it off. It was painful, but it finally came loose. Imagine my surprise when I set it down on the counter, and it started crawling away. Needless to say, I was very upset to realize this thing had been attached to my business for the past week. So that's the story of my dick tick now. If there is a moral to this story, it is this not to go hiking through tall grass while wearing shorts and also probably not to ignore strange new bumps on the other side of your private bits. Good good moral good lesson. He then signs off by saying, hope you found the story as funny as all my friends did. Thanks for the Email. Oh man. Curator at the box of oddities dot com. What you got for me? My love. Are you? Okay. I'm okay. You know. This was actually suggested by a listener, and now I can't find the message. I can't tell if it came in. I can't remember if it came in a Facebook message or if it was an Email on Instagram. I don't remember it's hard to keep track. And I know so I do polish is that I cannot give you credit though. I should. But you know who you are. And you're a special flower. Okay. The twin be tiles you're doing towing be tiles and doing towing be tile. Remember this Email, I came in. Okay. Wasn't an Email actually, I think it was a Facebook message. Yeah. Anyway. So the twenty tiles, I had never heard of. So when I saw this message I was like, and I looked it up and immediately intrigued can't get enough. Okay, here we go to me tiles are messages of unknown origin. Found embedded in asphalt of streets in about two dozen major cities in the mid nineteen eighties. Pedestrian started to notice these strange anomalies popping up on the surface of asphalt streets and avenues throughout Philadelphia in the eighties early there. Little plaques with incredibly cryptic messages, they were appearing overnight, seemingly out of nowhere in the middle of the streets. They're generally about the size of an American license plate, though, sometimes considerably larger and although the early stages of the tiles varied in color, shape, and taxed the most common message appeared to be twin. Be idea in Kubrick's two thousand one resurrect dead on planet Jupiter. Okay. I'm intrigued says some of the more elaborate tiles, also feature cryptic, politic. Statements, or they urged readers to create an install tiles of their own twenty tiles, where I photographed in the late nineteen eighties, their first reference, in the media came in nineteen Ninety-four in the Baltimore Sun in nineteen Eighty-three, there was a letter to the Philadelphia Inquirer referenced a Philadelphia-based campaign with themes, similar to those mentioned in the tiles, so resurrecting the dead on Jupiter, Stanley Kubrick, and Arnold j twain B but didn't actually refer to the tile. So that was early eighties rate around the same time that the tiles were starting to emerge show, this is part of this campaign thinks thinks so, yeah, whatever that is right in the name was Arthur, J toying, be Arnold j okay? And do we know who that is? Yes. Okay. Who is that? I'm I'm getting okay, okay. No, I'm so excited. Now I've got questions to all right. So the tiles themselves. The let's talk about like how they're made what they're made of the material used for making the tiles was initially unknown. It's not obvious. The evidence has emerged that they may be primarily made of layers of linoleum, and asphalt crack filling compound, the one twin be tile enthusiast has claimed that they came across a freshly laid tile one night and was able to examine it. And this is what they wrote the highlight of my search for answers on this mystery to this mystery occurred one Sunday night. This previous winter. I'd gone to my local convenience store for a snack around four AM, noticing nothing, unusual on my way home. I noticed something on the street upon closer inspection. I discovered it to be a twenty idea tile freshly placed and only minutes old. Of course. I was beside myself with excitement and I could now see. Exactly how and of what materials these tiles are made this tile. By the way, they was noted is located on thirteenth and arch street in Philadelphia. The tiles are just that they're not standard vinyl floor tiles, as some had initially assumed the letters are cut out of a material with a high rubber content like higher than a standard floor tile, and the inlay letters seem to be made of a less malleable substance in the case of this tile. It was red and yellow and the tile itself was secured to the street by folded and layered tar paper glued together. And then the whole thing seemed to be there was like, raw tar underneath to attach it to the road. So then as cars would drive over it, it forces it into the street. Okay. So, so whoever's doing, this is not cutting out pieces of. Asphalt in embedding them. They've created a method where traffic does the work for them. That's fascinating. That's pretty ingenious. It's very clever. And as more of these tiles have been examined, they are made of layers of linoleum, and basically asphalt crack filling compound, correct feeling in the United States tiles have officially been cited as far west as Kansas City, Missouri, as far north as Boston. And as far south as Washington DC since two thousand two very few new tiles considered to be the work of the original artists have appeared outside the Philadelphia area. Although one notable, citing appeared in Connecticut in two thousand six and one appeared in Edison, New Jersey in two thousand seven do they think it's the same artist or do they think that it's these are copycat toying tiles, due to the strong, similarity and craftsmanship? In writing style. The tiles are most likely the work of a single individual this has been going on decades. Yeah. For sure. Moldable presumed copycat tiles have been spotted in Indiana New York on the west coast, but there are people who study these and we're able to determine okay. No. This is just this is a copycat is obviously isn't made by the same person. The earliest option was that the tiles may be some sort of, like graffiti, or some version of street art, but as more and more messages, where being passed along via tile. It does seem like there's a very purposeful message and it's been like you said decades, since they first appeared and no one has stepped up to take credit for this. So it's not like an artist, you know who, who wants to become famous is doing this. And whatever I wonder if there is one singular message that whoever's doing, this is trying to get across and they've written it out, and it's a paragraph or two, and they've just taken the words in jumbled them up in place, them on various tie. At different times. And so if you collected all of those words, perhaps you could reassemble what the original message was. I mean that's a that's an interesting theory. I think that would be tough because most of the tiles say, almost exactly the same thing. Oh damn it. I thought it was onto something. Though today about one hundred thirty tiles have been discovered so okay, the, the tile messages, there's let's just pick out one. There was one in Baltimore and that tile had that same base statement, which most tiles, have this same base statement. And then maybe some add ons like little footnotes. Okay. So the base statement is twain, be idea in Kubrick's two thousand one resurrect dead on planet Jupiter. Okay. But this one in Baltimore also at the bottom says you must make in glue tiles you as media USSR. Wow. That's cryptic. It's super cryptic. And there are occasionally like one off tiles that are like paragraphs long. There are a couple that really demonstrate a feeling of paranoia and fear. One tile lays it all out in a rambling diatribe and exclaims that the artist has been followed in assaulted by journalists claiming that the press has gone, as far as to hire mafia hit men to murder him. One of the tiles says I secured house with blast doors and fled the country. He even pleads to the readers murder every journalist, I beg of you. Okay. This person there are some issues there. Oh for. Sure. Yeah. And we know of one hundred thirty of these but I mean how many roads have been tarred over since the early eighties? You know, there may be some that have already been covered that we have that we don't even know about or wonder, if like, archaeologists centuries from now will find them excavating, the beltway in Washington, what this. Weirdos like every every time I've seen questions about, like, what would archaeologists every scientists I've ever heard responding to those questions, always says we always just assume some sort of weird religious losing. Prayed at the church of the golden arches. There are even those that reference would appear to be a very special vendetta against John s Knight, founder of the Knight, Ridder newspaper chain that used to own the inquirer, and a few tiles refer tonight, as a helium, Jew, and even a Soviet spy. Well, yeah, this was getting weird. It's real weird. Several of these even alludes to that conspiracy, and reference, the USSR, even after the Soviet Union does is not a thing anymore, so very strange on June nineteenth twenty thirteen tiles, resembling, the twin be tiles appeared in streets in Topeka, Kansas. But they by the next evening had been removed. And no one knows if they were removed by, like, Topeka officials, or if the artists removed them it's, it's unknown. But because they. You weren't there for very long. We couldn't there, there was no way to confirm whether or not they were actually be tiles, which I think, is kind of interesting that they would have been removed and, and why. Explain us. So the message alluding to Stanley Kubrick's nineteen sixty eight film, two thousand one space odyssey and what most assume Arnold twain be so Arnold. Twin be was a British economic historian, also noted for his social commitment and desire to improve living conditions of the working classes. So it has book experiences, he wrote this passage. I'm sorry. What year was this? What year twenty twenty he was born in eighteen fifty two kicked it in eighteen eighty three. So his book experiences, he wrote, human nature presents human minds with puzzle that they have not yet solved and may never succeed in solving for all that we can tell the dichotomy of human being into soul and body is not a datum of experience. No one has ever been or ever met a living human soul without a body, someone who accepts as I myself, do taking it on, trust the present day scientific account of the universe may find it impossible to believe the living creature wants dead can come to life again. But if he did entertain this belief he would be thinking, more scientifically if he thought in the Christian terms of a psychosomatic resurrection, then if he thought in the shamanistic terms of a disembodied spirit. So obviously. Oh, that's heavy stuff to be spoke of resurrection spoke of this kind of thought. So it makes sense that he would be the one referenced in the twin be tiles if that's right, right. Okay. Another possible interpretation. Is that twain beer refers to the science fiction writer? Ray Bradbury short story, the twin beacon vector, which alludes to twin idea that in order to survive. Humankind must always rush to meet the future and believe in a better world and must always aim far beyond what is practically possible in order to achieve something barely within reach so okay range for the stars. At least you'll catch the moon. Whatever. Right. Phrases, there's also many people pointing to a short story called Jupiter, five by Arthur C Clarke, which involves a spaceship, named the Arnold twain be, which is on a mission to Jupiter. And it contains elements that are very similar to two thousand one space odyssey, which he also wrote, of course. So I mean it makes that makes a lot of sense to me. Also more recently, this has been brought into the conversation about the twenty tiles playwright, David Mamat has spoken of his belief that the tiles or an Amish to one of his plays and has described it as quote the weirdest thing that ever happened in his nineteen Eighty-three work called four AM a radio host based on Larry. King listens to a caller who contends that the movie two thousand one based on the writings of Arnold twain, be speaks of the plan to reconstitute life on Jupiter. Well, this is very strange and convoluted. Right. It's hard because so many of these ideas are connected, like twain, be is referenced in this book about a spaceship called toy n- be and. It's going to Jupiter and the tiles mentioned Jupiter, Antolin b but is it mentioning the ship going to Jupiter? Or is it mentioning the you know? Right. Right. Yeah. How do you connect the dots on that? Speaking of David Mamat, by the way, down Spanish prisoner. Watch it. You'll love it and I seen that. Yeah. Showed it to you into Steve Martin L. Yes. Yes. Seven Klein dairy enjoyable. Thank you. You're welcome. Also remember Redford little hat. The sting. Yeah. This thing that was so much fun. I think of those movies is being very connected in my head. Maybe ger has you made me watch both of them. Just the whole orchestrated Kong. Yeah, I love a con movie doesn't. Ooh. Let's watch a con movie. Okay. Sorry, I'm getting real sidetracked. Here we go in the early eighties man identifying himself as a social worker named James morass SCO started contacting talk shows and newspapers with his theory of colonizing, Jupiter with the dead inhabitants of earth, claiming that he came across the idea, while reading a book by historian Arnold join be the guy even actually called into the Larry King show, promoting these same ideas. However, it was discovered that, that was obviously, it's not his name the guy that was calling into these shows. His name was certainly not James, morass go, and he wasn't a social worker, though, there was James Rasco, who has a social worker in Philadelphia. And his wife was very annoyed at the repeated phone calls that they were receiving, I'm sure in two thousand one there's a documentary called resurrect. Dead. The mystery of the twin be tiles, and researchers and Philadelphia resident just endure became obsessed with the twin be mystery and he sets out with his friends to track down whoever's responsible for the twin be tiles, by the way. I did want to mention that. I got my information about this from damn interesting dot com theories of Atlantis. The resurrect dead tile gallery, which is amazing and Al share some photos from that. And of course, a wake-up pedia resurrect dead, the mystery of the twin be tiles the team begin to they because it seems as though everything's based in Philadelphia. So they really start searching down the streets, and they find a resident named Severino Verna, and there are several reasons why they kind of hone in on that guy. And if you're super interested, I would highly recommend. Watching this documentary because it's really interesting the way they go through this process, even finding things like what they call pro tiles in front of this artist's home and he's a ham radio enthusiast. So that might be how he's, you know, sharing information about and getting information from wherever whoever that, you know, you ham radio people know, I want to get into it, even though I think that it's a weird community. But I'm in, I'm in I've always been fascinated with that do. Yeah. The whole subculture, and there's so many sub subcultures of ham radio keys. Yeah. There are people that just get on and talk about eggplant recipes, I think that's it's kind of like old school Facebook groups. Yes. Exactly like it was just going to say that. Where are you? Sorry, Milly say more things like that. No. I can't you already said them. It would be a waste of time. I don't think that your. Or saying things has ever a waste of time. You big silly go listen to the timber of that voice. Now, you're not gonna say anything, if you're bearing me. No. Sorry, anyway, my favorite factoid about this particular let's call him a suspect that the leads me to believe that they did solve this mystery. Is that he drives a car that doesn't have a passenger seat, and they believe that that is so that he can put the tiles down on the road through a hole in his car? How no one's found him doing it and no shit is in that cool, cool. But it has not been confirmed. They still don't know, for sure. I mean, maybe he's just a guy who likes you know, not having passengers I get it driving around with a hole in his floor. So it is not confirmed, who the twin be tile artist is, but it certainly is an interesting journey. Nonetheless, I would check that out the resurrect dead. The mystery of the twin tiles, we'll be watching that on my tablet in bed tonight. No. I'd heard of the Tony tiles before we got this Email and I had done just kind of a preliminary skimming of it. I had no idea was this involved, though, fascinating stuff. They really are in the way that they're done, which I can see how they're the lettering. I can see how like using a box cutter, cutting out vinyl. That's why the letters are shaped the way they are. And it looks super creepy. But like I mean, that makes sense can't, you picture using a box cutter, cutting out, vinyl, and like, okay that's why they're shaped that way. And it's, it's real weird. But I'll post pictures of some of these and, and you can. Take a look. But I would I would check out that documentary official war. Well, we need to wrap this up because you need to go finish organizing our condiment tray in the refrigerator. 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Tips to Help Dentists Do More of the Dentistry They Love!

The Thriving Dentist Show with Gary Takacs

1:00:17 hr | 8 months ago

Tips to Help Dentists Do More of the Dentistry They Love!

"Yes is the thriving dentist show with Gary Tax where we help you develop your ideal dental frighteners one that provides personal, professional and financial satisfaction. Welcome to another edition, the thriving Dennis Show, I'm Gary Tax, your podcast co host of very excited to share a new episode with you You saw the title tips to help dentist do more of the dentistry that they love I'm really excited about this because every dentist has favorite treatment areas favored procedures and we're going to help you do more of the kind of dentistry that brings you satisfaction a before we get into that podcast episode quick announcement on Friday September Eleventh I'll be providing a thriving dentist one day NBA livestream workshop. In, that frightening dentist one day NBA Workshop, I covered the ten elements of thriving practice I. Go over each one of those elements in detail. Now we run that course as a true workshop even those livestream, we run it as a workshop with eleven different exercises throughout the day the eleven exercises help you actually implement. The information is an implement the information to your practice and your specific needs. A. This is a nine hour course we start at ten am eastern time runs to seven PM eastern time. It's nine hours. There is an hour lunch dinner break in there. So it's eight hours of content. Really encourage you to come join us. You'll notice that tuition is very attractive to thriving Dennis. Dot Com Slash Mba, you'll notice the tuition's very attractive given that it's a livestream forum at we don't have travel, we don't have airfare we don't have hotel cost a meeting room cost catering class. So really able to provide this at a very affordable price point you can register it thriving Dennis. Dot Com, slash, Mba I will tell you a heads up our past livestream workshops have sold out. We do limit attendance because of the workshop format and they have sold out. If you go to the website and there, you'll see if their seats available I want to encourage you to register for that and let me read a response from one of our recent priming dentist MBA workshop Tandys. And our doctor said after over forty, a twenty, five years of practice ownership. I feel like I've learned almost everything possible mostly via mistakes. Gary. Is One day MBA program is outstanding and has proven to be an incredible refresher for me. Implementation, of some amazing new principles will be incredibly easy. I WanNa take a minute and thank Dr Tom Reid for that very kind feedback. We are thrilled that we've helped you on your path to creating a thriving practice. Thanks Tom much appreciate. And now onto our podcast episode topic tips to help Dennis do more of the dentistry that they love. Hello Everyone Welcome to the coaching action segment of the thriving dentist show. This isn't rainy a CO host. This is an awesome topic. It's a great topic because I feel this taps into Gerry's one of Gary's unique abilities, one of the areas that he's Good. At as many of you know getting has been coaching for the last forty years and going back even thirty five years ago he was working with Dr all marines and and helping dentists all across the country. Become Masters case acceptance I believe he did a three Ko's you know back thirty five years ago so. We I. Taught that course in partnership dot to read it was Thursday Friday and Saturday held here in Scottsdale started at seven in the morning we finished at seven in the evening it ran for three consecutive days. Can you imagine that took? Thirty six hours of. What we felt like we barely. Hit the tip of the iceberg. In all the different things we could cover when it comes to a case presentation case acceptance. and. That was really my the genesis of my interest in that topic and it's only expanded at and of become a passion of mine even more since then. And and you end Dr Reid became friends and he became a Memento I. Guess that's how the relationship probably blossomed. Really started back then and I was very fortunate. To have him as a mentor and such a positive influence on my life in in so many different ways. And much of what we're GONNA talk about here in terms of of doing more dentistry, love has been. Adapted and modified and developed from some fundamental principles that really work. Let's jump in. So the topic again for everyone listening, it's tips to help dentists do more of the dentistry they love. So let's jump in. Gary. Married Every dentist has certain procedures that they love to do. I like to call those high value services. And they have to be self define because one dentist loves to do another dentist might find tedious. At what an area that clinically Dennis's interested in another one might not have any interest in it at all. So you have to self define it. So first of all, I would encourage you before I get into specific tips. I would encourage you to define what are the things that you really love to do. I mean, are those. Going back to your mission statement, you want people to find dentists define personal, professional, and financial satisfaction. So this is the professional part of that satisfaction correct correct and if you do what you love, kind of two two things are going to happen. You'll typically be very good at doing it right because you love it. You know. So you spend more time to see is almost like. playtime you know, let let's say the doctors interested in adult orthodontics I'm just picking a treatment area randomly let's say say one of our listeners into do more adult orthodontics when he or she goes out to take a course on Onyx, it's not like work at all. It's like, Oh, my Gosh I get to go study with some of the best mentors and I can't wait to go. It's playtime. You know it's it's worked. Know disguise play or play disguises work. Maybe that's a better way to say it. All right. So number one, you're you're likely good at it because you love it and number two. You're going to enjoy your time doing it because it's something that you love. something. So so You're going to enjoy the time you spend helping patients with our continue my example, adult orthodontics you're gonNA enjoy your time helping patients. So it really does lead to my mission statement, which is helping Dennis develop a practice that provides personal professional and financial satisfaction, and this this fits very nicely in that second bucket of professional satisfaction. So I WANNA provide some tips that our listeners because you the the the the topic of case presentation. Is Complex. would. You Agree Yeah I. Mean I I I had the luxury of listening in on Your Book Club you're doing for your clients the other day and I was just blown and many of the people there I mean the comments they made after the after the event was just amazing. It's just. Like I mean I guess just you know success. Knowledge Forty years in the making. So I mean to be fat to all of us in the room just have done it for long with many dentists, but absolutely it this is a. anyways. So it's a complex topic. Yeah. Sure a fun story and I'll leave the doctor's name out of it because it happened many years ago and I don't want to I haven't asked permission holly the doctor's name is, but this is was a young client of mine young at the time. very talented dentist very, very, very talented Dennis. And highly skilled. And I was visiting his practice physically it has practice and he gary I've really been working on case presentation. You know you've helped me with this. You've steered me just resources and I've been working on this I've got a new patient this afternoon coming in two o'clock. Would you do me a favor and kind of hang out in the hallway. He had the the kind of office design where the walls didn't go all the way up to the ceiling. You went up about seven feet and then they were kind of open and so I could hang out in the hallway and I could hear everything that he was saying to patient he said, would you do me a favor? And would you? Just a hallway and listen to me because I've really been working on this. And listen to me present dentistry to this patient. And then. Tonight. When we go out to dinner, maybe you could give me some feedback and and you know give me a review of how I did. So patient comes in I do just as as we discussed, I'm in the hallway. Of blanding in making myself part of the wallpaper patient CONC- me doctor couldn't see. And he's he started to talk to her. About Dentistry and I hit my watch which has a timer on it just want to see how long talking and I hit my watch. and. Within about the first thirty seconds, he was talking to her about Canine guides. And he went and I am not kidding here in he went for sixteen minutes on canine guidance without taking a breath. I don't know how he was standing. He went for sixteen minutes non stop without taking a breath all about canine gyns. And when he finally stopped talking, she said Doctor. I have a missing tooth up here. Can you put one of those things in there? You've never heard me tell that story heavy now I haven't. Okay. So I'M GONNA. Put you on the spot by the way this was a forty two year old patient female patient. With a masters degree. But she wanted to know if he could put one of those thingies, she had a missing tooth up here. Can you what was the thing that she was referring to implant a dental implant? Talent So he was on canine guidance. She's on thingy. Can we agree that there was no communication going? Absolutely not he walked out of the room and literally I'm not kidding there were beads of sweat pouring down his forehead. And he mumbled to me as he walked by he goes okay. We're GONNA talk about this tonight. Aren't we? Pass me. And that night over now A. Gentle. But forbid him from ever using the term Canaydin guidance ever again in a conversation with with a patient dentists don't know what? Guidance is. Not a patient in the PLA on the planet that knows what Canine. But he was on canine guidance and she was on. thingy. Ed I tell that story because He was so excited about sharing all. He knew about about I'm convinced she was looking around the room for seeing eye dog. Just got the joke. But so what I've done, add add by the way This doctor responded very well to coaching any realize that he had to learn a different way. Any responded very well but in the process working with doctors have discovered kind of some. Contracts that worked very well. and can be adapted. So can I share some of those I? I called him concentrate there. Really tips can share some tips. Start with the first one As, you know we have what I like to call a remarkable new patient experience, a remarkable new patient experience. and. One of the things we do very intentionally as part of that new patient experience when my new patient coordinator, Carlier? Monty. Is Introducing the patient to doctor Dr Tim for the first time. You know a patient in the chair Carl you'll be in the room doctoral Dan come into the room. And Carly will introduce the patient to Dr Paul and say Duct Paul I'd like you to meet Karen our patient today, and then carly will share something with Paul that has nothing to do dentistry. Nothing. Do dench. It might be that Oh dot. Paul. Karen has a six year old just like you. You Guys GonNa have to swap old stories. It might be Tim loves, mountain, biking doctor as much as you. I never thought I'd meet anybody that loves mountain biking much as you I think I've found that person in Tim. You Guys GonNa have to swap mountain biking stories, and then whatever it is that that carly shares with them, it's nothing to do with dentistry. The, they'll Paul or Tim will take off for. Two minutes. About whatever it was that was cute up. And that was simply a way to connect with the patient. In a genuine way that has nothing to do with dentistry. So you're saying. Connect with them as a human being I in first thing in common and really build that rapper build that report begin and you know it's it's. And Curly Monte will tell you That if they don't have something to tee up for the doctor, the May have done their job. And we've been doing this for years. I can't think of a time when there wasn't something that could be sure. something. You know especially when I when we're given the talent I have with Carly Mahdi that are genuinely interested in people. And sometimes. It might not even be anything that that say say Paul Tim have experienced what it might be Dr Paul. Linda is an amazing baker she loves to Bake. and. She just shared with me this new cherry pie recipe that she has. That is absolutely amazing. Now now, pommie not have any interest in baking, but he's going to say, Oh, my gosh, that sounds incredible. Is there a secret ingredient? You know what is it and the what happens you know what's happening there? It's Actually, something's happening at the neurological level. It's Raji. Wait a minute what. Wait. What? Say. That's what I'm asking what? Me Understand. What do you think about this for a minute? and Go back to. High school biology. And remember how are our nervous system works? You know there's two elements of sympathetic comparison. Pathetic. Sympathetic nervous system has been characterized by the phrase fight or. Fighter flight fighter flight. You know it goes back to caveman days and we're being chased by the Sabertooth Tiger what happened you fight or flight? At the other side of the nervous system appear sympathetic nervous system is characterized as rest and digest? Think about the world that we live in today Narran. The busy hectic world that we live in. Aren't we in fighter flight most of the time. Exactly Ninety percent of time I've been facebook gallagher. Everything is fight or flight. Everything is like you don't know what's going to happen. He's just. I mean this Mary around turns very fast. Yeah. You know subconsciously we're in an aisle, extend this down to the dental office. Where is every patient in regards to the nervous system? Whereas every patient when they're in the Dell Office. I mean I can speak from experience. It's fight fight or flight just because it's not comfortable environment it's but I mean is it might be the best talked. A new place for you. It's a strange place with a lot of instruments hanging from the ceiling and you just kind of lying there with the hands up there. You know. So snow, it's very, very much. So what this does is it actually at a very subtle level shifts the patient. Over to rested when when Martha's time her cherry pie recipe. She's in in her world. When Tim's talking about is new mountain bike. When Karen's talking about her six-year-old son, went? Right. Over to rested now from there, we quickly go to where I wanted to go with this. So at some point, obviously, they're here for teeth we're going to switch to teeth. So the sound. So obvious that remember this tips to help Dennis do more of the dentistry they love. Ask The patient what you can do for them. So imagine that conversation you know it was about the mountain bike, and at some point you know clearly it's it's going to shift and polar tim are going to say something like this. You know timid it's it's so nice to meet you today. I appreciate that you've chosen my office for dental care. What can I do for you? And listen. And listen. Because the you could get all kinds of responses. Well, doctor you know I just moved to town I met my neighbor next door We're trying to get settled the end and I wanted to find a dentist I talked to my neighbor next door and she said you guys were awesome and that's why I'm here. Nothing's going. I just wanted to sabotage right and the question I think you taught me as if you WANNA talking three years what should happen to you or House smiled for your. Way Ahead. There nonstop to start there. What what brings you in today what can I do? All right just to kind of get acclimated, just get comfortable with I. Mean here's the. Here's the answer you want every everytime imagine a patient. Sixty two years old female patients sixty two years old. And let's just call her Martha. And Imagine Martha went with duct. Paul says you know. Martha it's so nice to meet you. I appreciate that you've chosen my office free dental care what bridge in today. And Imagine, Martha saying we'll Dr Paul. I, a lady that I play bridge with. And her name Susan and she's a patient here's and you did this. Beautiful. Makeover for for. Susan. And honest to Gosh. Susan Looks Fifteen years younger you're at of course now Paul's to remember her of course. And now and and Martha Susan Fifteen years younger. Now I want you to do for me what you did for Susan except I want you to make me look twenty years younger. Now. That's the answer you want every time and let me tell you that you're can get that every time. It might be doc this tooth on the upper left has been keeping me awake at night. Now it's it kind of comes and goes comes and goes but it's been. It's it. You know sometimes it it spikes and it's so much pain I I. I can't sleep. That's why I'm here. So. What brings you in today? What can I do for and then actually listen? Because, they'll tell you and it and it it gives you a starting point. Now, that's that's really tip number one. Well, I guess we should. We should say tip number two tip. To start with something that has nothing to do demonstrate that connects with the patient tip number two is is asking why they're here. What can I do for? And then tip number three used digital photos as part of your exam digital photos. Because what you're going to do with the digital photos is you're gonNA end up taking the patient on a tour of their mouth on it using the digital photos. And I want to emphasize digital photos as opposed to intra oral photos. All does a great in a lead to tooth dentistry your tooth is cracked. Let me show you These digital photos lead to more comprehensive dentistry because now the patient is seeing their smile. And their arch in opens up a lot more Harshness weirdness in and and You know a lot more focus on comprehensive care and also the digital photos are medium they completely understand. Photos. It's like x Rays I don't understand what it makes. Raise it just yeah. Well, and there's some people that literally they have they have. Some people looking at a architectural blueprint. There are people look at architectural blueprint and can literally see the finished product. And there's people look at an architectural blueprint and you it upside down and backwards I've always joked that when it comes to radiographs rates very useful for for the dentist useful for the you can have one set radiographs in it could be of a horse and you could put that up there. Don't do that. That would not be good. But you could literally say scenario this is right here and it's actually a hard. You'd have no idea and you probably. Yep. But now the photos are a medium they understand. Right. But now you're gonNA take on a tour of the mouth, take him on a tour, the mouth. So so I WANNA kind of set this up. So we take these six digital photos and there maybe we could put a link in our show notes for this episode on the six photos and everything is done with those. But let me kind of do dual reader's digest snapshot, and that'll be we take six digital photos and we upload them to a tablet and the patient now views on a tablet on their lap and I like the IPAD pro, which is twelve point, nine inch, diagonal measurement tablets. So the the real estate's really big. Doing on a tablet near is because now it becomes interactive. Lead US something very strategic. And Very theatric. So. Imagine Carly Saint You, Narran. Remember when I took the photos of your earlier in the appointment. I went ahead and uploaded those on the tab that we do the Tampa. Now it's in your hands and she says, it works just like your smartphone. If you want to see the next photo, just take your finger flick it. If you want to zoom in, you can stop and zoom into infinity now. Now here's what we do theatrically. We make an excuse to leave the room. Narran doctor and I need to take a look at your digital radio graphs wall. We're doing that. Would you do me a favor and look at these photos and make a mental note of any questions you have when doctorate I come back in the room? Will be happy to answering the question Jeff and literally this doesn't need to be done. This is done for a very intentional purpose because when the patients left alone in the room with no one looking over the shoulder with this tablet on their lap of them, they totally get into the photos right as a very rare patient when polar tim come back in the room that doesn't fire questions doesn't ask what's this what's that? What's this? What's that? Now. At. Some point and the they never they never identify anything. In our language you know you'll never hear the patients that I don't like the. INCISA less translucent on number eight nine. They're never going to say that, right what are they gonNA say they're gonNA speak to the I didn't realize my teeth were so Dr. Right. I didn't realize my lower teeth were so crowded. I've got this one is really Kinda. It doesn't look like it's right. You know stuff like that. So at some point, the doctor's going to take over. And this is the doctor's going to use the permission statement. The pre permission statement is critically important. Critically important. So doctors going to say something like. Near as you and I do a tour. Of, these digital vocab mature your mouth in these digital photos. As you and I are looking at these photos. Do I have your permission to identify every area of concern that I see. Absolutely That's what everybody says. My clients that have never done this and they start doing this. They say, I get the same answer every time. And sometimes my clientele me. Gary. I have some patients that have sense of humor and they're they're kind of sarcastic and they'll say well done. That's why I'm here dot. The most tier so people will say, well, of course you do. Yes, please but the most common answer is yes. So again, let me let me repeat that. Narran as you and I are looking at these photos do I have your permission to identify every area of concern that I see? Absolutely. Right Then you you just got permission. To be? Thorough Right identify the concerns. So now as you're going through the again, every doctor is going to do their part of the exam differently but as they're going through, it might the patient might have said they're mainly here for aesthetics. They might say they're here because they know they grind their teeth. So as you identify these different areas of concern. In English in simple terms, not canine guidance as you identify those. And it might be making it up but NARRAN. Imagine this being from dot. Paul. Dr Tim. Your back teeth are very worn and reporting to the fight. It's very obvious. You can see in the photo I making this up years aren't actually weren't but imagine you're that patient that very worn teeth in the. You ask the patient once you've identified the area of concern. You ask them. Do. You have any interest in treating any of these problem areas, identified I mention. Again, asking for their permission asking for that. And this is kind of where the exam sort of bifurcated it's and let me explain that. The the hope is that. Well. Yes. DOC that doesn't seem right I should do something about that. Right and you're hoping that you get that and I think what's GonNa Happen here is we typically don't have enough time to go in this, and now we're going to bring back. This is kind of think of this as a screening exam. and. Now we're going to either bring them back. For for a Consultation to go over all these things with them. Or. We're going to do that through virtual. Now, we can do that virtually as well. For the patient that's just really just this thing doc just as thing that's bothering me. Then, we can go the other way and present that dentistry today to them. In the time that we've allowed for that new patient. Exam. You'll be surprised how many when you ask the question near another identified these The areas of concern that I see. Do you have any interest in addressing those. Yeah. I. Yeah. I really wanted to be as healthy as I can and cleared it. We're not going to have that we allow thirty minutes for the doctor part of the new patient exam. We're not GONNA have enough time to do that today. So we would in the past, we would have brought the patient back. and. Now we have the opportunity to do that through virtual console. which could be? Even, a better way to do that in terms of our time in the patient's time. Said absolutely getting that makes total sense. Now, let me also inject one more important tip here. As you're presenting your treatment recommendations. Let the patient know the consequences of what is likely to happen. If they don't do anything. Let him know what might happen? If they don't do anything best part of informing the patient. And what we've learned is that you know. People some people in the world respond to moving towards something that they want. Other people respond. Better. To avoiding something they fear. Right and the analogy I love to use is Assane Bolt. You know the Olympian Sprinter. If, if Hussein bowl put them in two situations, one situation is Hussein. Bolt is in competition with other world class sprinters, and the winner of the race gets a medal. That's one situation move towards something that you want you want the metal. The other situation is Hussein bolt is being chased by six rottweiler dogs with rabies. which situation is the same bolt going to run faster and? Definitely when he's chased by rabies I, mean, if you look at our world today, right insurance, the farmer right everything is the second right? It's not really moved towards its. Avoid something. Exactly actually, we have data on this near have hard data. And this is hard from social sciences. Seventy five percent of the people in the world. Respond better to avoid something. Right something. Right. You know you'd think about there's people that that don't have their car serviced until something breaks. there. But. It's. Seventy five percent respond better. To avoid something that they're afraid. Don't happen what I'm hitting you say is before you ask them, would you like to be addressed? It's a very good idea to tell them what would happen if you don't address it correct right and the reason. Tactic. Not Maybe, pictures or maybe with examples of others in intimate situations who didn't address it, we'll let me give you an example. Near let's say you're missing second molar in your upper left. Okay. Clear. Clearly. One of the concerns we're going through the video tour. You, have a missing tooth up here. And you might say, yeah, yeah, I. Know I lost that tooth. Five years ago. Yeah I mean, and the doctor can say. Do you have any interest in in addressing that missing tooth. And we might say You know. Let me tell you. You don't. You don't have to do anything about that. But we do have options that are really good options if you'd like to have that replaced, but I do want to share with you one of the possible consequences of not doing anything. So one of the possible consequences not doing anything. That the teeth are going to shift because now we have that space and the teeth will shift and move. And over time, it could lead to the loss of other teeth. That my set up a domino effect of the loss of other teeth. and. Eventually get to the point where that would have to be addressed by something. That's much more complicated than simply treating this one missing tooth. Right you say it doesn't have to be done. Leather example you've got old amalgam fillings old Amalgam Forbid Ben in place in your mouth for twenty five years. Clearly, there breaking down. By I can tell that by visual inspection by radiographic inspection by photographic inspection. The breaking out but guess what? They don't hurt. So if I. So I can show you as I'm doing the two of the mouth near it looks like a number of the by the way. Do you know how long these feelings had been in place? And oftentimes, the patient doesn't know it's like. Every ten fifteen years. Yeah. Nordia. Gosh I think I was I was maybe early twenties. So, then do the math. How Long That's been in place over twenty years in your mouth. All right and near, and it looks to me clearly that we've got him breaking down these things only last so long. Do you have any interest in addressing that. And we might say. Before you answer that. Let me share with you a possible consequence of not doing anything. Decay can get underneath those fillings and decayed never solves itself. It only gets worse and so while it doesn't hurt now the decay can get to the point. Where now starts to her but he can get to the point where taking care that will be much more complicated perhaps a root canal and crown. Now. We can take care of today more conservatively with fillings. But a possible consequences that the future treatment becomes much more complicated by waiting until it hurts. Right, they're making sense makes total sense and this is the conversation. bigly. That's not had always had in the wrong sequence in other words after the patient says, no, then you go and say then I think then it feels like. It doesn't have the impact in after I say, no, then you're on A. Think of it as guiding. Let, me let me back up from it and say. I've heard people talk about you know selling skills in dentistry to sell dentistry. Most dentists object to that term. Most dentist. I personally don't. But but I'm not assessed most a subject to that, Termini? Understand the the objection I like to think of it as guiding patients by providing information that allows them to make good emf make good decisions about their oral health right what I'm doing is guiding them So that they can have all the information so they can make good decisions about their oral health. And I I really think you know it was interesting when a Paul has had been through some training with Frank Spear. And really really good clinical courses and one of these talks about his is always let the patient know about what the consequences could be in a non scary nonthreatening way. Just matter of fact what could happen if they don't do anything? Paul started incorporate than our practice years ago. And guess what happened to our case acceptance weren't up. And not like a little bit. It went up geometrically. And It was it was cool to see. That result and to see people respond in the way that you knew you could help them. Right, now they respond in such a way. And that's really what this is about. What these tips about is is to guide your patients in a respectful way in an educational way in language that they understand not canine guys in language that they understand. And it leads them to. The decision which you want them to make, which is in their in their best interests. I mean I heard pollen and Tim say the sounds contradictory in sales trading. Near, you don't have to do anything at all. Right in a in a way in classic sales trainings I? No, no, no, no. No. Let's. Let's eliminate that. Statement, but that's actually a powerful statement. Isn't it? It looks to me we're doing the tour you have a missing tooth on the upper left. You already gave me permission to identify 'cause concern some missing do. You know and there was we have options There's options that can be some cool options available in dentistry today. but I do WANNA share with you possible consequence of not doing anything. Possible consequences that the loss of that single tooth. Has Your other teams shifting? And moving around the mouth leading to the loss of many more teeth and if it gets to that point. You're the treatment will be much more complicated. All right. Do. You have any interest in addressing that concern. Now notice the sequence that I just followed there. I asked that last. Question in the right, do do you have any interest in addressing? If the answer is no move on. Move On. But most of the time the answer is going to be. Well, what are my options to treat it? And you know that's where politician would go over the option of. Replacing with an implant or bridge if that was an option. Mo September steer towards the implant. Accents yeah very interesting. Let. We've got some really good questions from from our from our listeners on this one before I do that. They'll let me let me try to summarize this in a way that make sense. Tip. Number One. You can set it up so that you have. A conversation with the patient about something is not related industry it'll. Somebody gets related to them as as as a person something, they're interested in some commonality with you like we talked about earlier. So. Start with something is not related industry tip number to. Ask them the obvious question. Near, what brings you in today? We're. GonNa. Do for. Zipping up listen. Listening listening listening listening is a key to high case acceptance facial. Tell you. With in today notice, it's an open ended question. They might tell you. Oh Gosh. Okay. Next tip. Use digital digital photos the six digital photos as part of your patient exam. Next tip. You're going to do a tour the mouth as you do a two of the mouth using the digital fotos us the permission statement. Narran as you and I are looking at these photos do I have your permission to identify every area of concern that I see? S Quest. Next tip. Your at some point, you're going to ask the patient if they have any interest in treating. Concerns you've mentioned you've identified. Now. This is again where the exam can buy for Kate. And if it's complicated and bring them back or do the virtual console. And in there. As you present, your is identified the concerns let the patient know the consequences of what might happen if they don't do anything. And there is a really good construct. To help more patients have an interest in the kinda dentistry you would like to do. In you doing more of the kind of demonstrate that you love. You know if you love doing adult Ortho make sure that. There's an orthodontic part of your consultation. If you like doing more dentistry make sure there is a restorative part of your new patient exam. If you love doing aesthetics make sure there's an aesthetic part of your exam. So. You can guide patients to tell you I'm interested in that. What's really cool to me for me to senior and I see this not only my practice by seem prices all over the country. Patients that didn't. Come to the office. Because they were interested in something. All of a sudden are interested in something because of the trust and confidence their employees they're placing you because of the way you're influencing them. And patients are in in their own way they're saying I want to be in the best oral health I can be in. And I know you can help me do that. It's a super gratifying way to practice while near. We've got some great questions. Why don't we hit pause on this coaching ashes segment and get to those questions from our listeners Hello. Everyone in today's thriving dentists, Cuny segment we have some amazing questions. From across the world. On the topic off tips to help dentists to do more of the dentistry, they love everyone who listens to Gary and listening to Gary for the last nine years. No, he's a master of communication is a master of psychology and how to influence people. So this is appropriate that East questions of common. Let me jump in Gerri very first question comes from. Gary, I'm getting mixed messages about the best format for the festival -pointment for new patients. Is it better to bring the new patient in records and Dr Exempt first appointment of bring them in for a hygiene apartment I. This is such a great question Narran. And thank you for listening for submitting that one and I think this is one that's on the minds of. Many many. Dennis. And I'm GonNa Answer at this way. If the world was perfect if the world was perfect. I would bring the patient in for a records and Dr Exam First, that'd be a standalone. So in other words, we get the records that we need. It could be bite wings could be full mouth series it could be a a digital panoramic x ray could be a CBC t series, and then the doctor part of these. Then you can determine exactly what the patient needs. You think of that as kind of a screening appointment be an hour ish. And would not have a hygiene component attach. That's the way the institute's teach it. That's the way pinkie Dawson Spear Coys, LV I in any of the other institutes teacher. However up I'll put my a practical spin on it. I. Say if the world was perfect, I would do it that way however. It simply leaves off one really important component. What does the patient one all? What does the patient want and so we've learned in in my own practice and working with clients all over What most new patients want is their teeth cleaned. Now, maybe all they know how to ask they don't know how to ask Dr. can you do inclusion exam for me? To ask that question right. So what we've learned is that there's a way to combine the two of them together into one appointment. And it's a combination records Dr? Screening exam. And Hygiene appointment in hygiene appointment were either going to do. A cleaning or bradman cleaning were to Brian. and. So it's a combination appointment that is two hours in length the patients there for two hour. It's thirty minutes, of Dr Type. The thirty minutes of the doctor time is kind of a screening exams screening plant. Now, if it's simple dentistry than we present the data right there. And get them set up with a treatment plan. If clearly they're interested in in way more, you know that can be done. Then we bring them back or we do a virtual console, we're using your service that what you design Narran inequity as virtual. And you know my clients are using it and my clients are telling me that they really enjoy the opportunity to do these virtually in the right situation, you already have all the record you need. The patient can be in the comfort of their home. You can spend whatever time is needed and and go through IT IN A. Zoo meeting, type video. Ad Ad. Really spend time or you can bring them back and and do it as a separate live you know. A process as well, but I would do it in a combined appointment. Because of the fact that. You're giving the patient what they want in. A hygiene appointment and you're doing, of course, we're we're examining them first. So that we know whether that's a cleaning. And so we're meeting a practice act requirement of having seen the doctor first and so on. So that's how I would do that. Let's Gem. Next question getting this comes from. The Midwest. United States right now, I'm scheduling an hour and a half hour new patient experience records Dr Exam and the hygiene assignment, and it doesn't seem to be enough time. How would you suggest that I change this fest Apartment Yeah I love the idea of trying to compress it to an hour and a half rather than two hours we tried that. We tried to I've tried this in offices all over the country and you just can't do it. The that where you get tripped up is the photos not taking the photos, take three minutes, but it's going through the photos with them. because. Now, the patient. All kinds of questions about what they're seeing those good. Never see not this way. Right? So I would suggest you expand that to two hours at an extra thirty. Yeah. I remember a near and past episodes of scheduling. We've talked about rock sand and water. Rocks are big production time Sandra minor production. Water is non production. What is the new? What is the doctor exam of the new patient is Dirac Sandra water. Rock. No No. Because it's not production, right? Make any money from it. So it's probably water right? It's sandy water than could has the because what is it? How much do we get for the? Comprehensive. Exam whatever it is plugging your mouth. Yeah. Exhaust not productive. Yeah. It Sandy water that has the opportunity to become granite. Rock right. Right. So. So. I like the idea of expanding, I. Love the idea of compressed this down. But I also like the idea of giving you enough time. You don't WanNa cut the patient when they're talking about what they're seeing in the photos. You don't WanNa cut that off. Right. When when Narron is going through what's this? What's that? What's says doc I didn't realize that I have my teeth a bunch of different colors. Because, maybe you gone ended ten different dentists head restorations placed in different times with different materials. All right. You want the patient keep talking you don't want them off. So I would extend that into two hours. Thirty minutes of still the doctor part of the EXAM IS A. Kind. Of. Screening exam. If it sample presented to him right there. If it's more complex set up a follow up whether it be virtually or or physical set up a follow. But. That would solve it and quit trying to beat. You're don't feel bad that you couldn't do our half because we could neither and I could probably name two hundred clients and tried it and couldn't do it either. So apparently we're getting a good message. We did expand the time a little bit. Right. This comes from New Mexico. How do you recommend I communicate with patients when I see that they have many issues in their mouth but everything is dramatic and they don't seem to have any interest in proactively treating issues I see. So I'M GONNA use a phrase that I I heard from Dr. L. D.. Meet the patient where they are. if the patient where they are what what's the good news of this conversation the good news of this conversation is they're they're right they're they're they're physically in your office voting with their feet. To, be a patient. Now. Unfortunately. They are motivated yet yet notice I, said the word yet. Yeah exactly. Just not motivated yet. And because they don't trust you yet. So. Yeah and it could be something completely maybe they have. Right, now, xactly, exactly. Maybe. They just had to put a new roof on their house that was unexpected. The budget just got blown. Right so A good way to do that. is to say. George I completely understand. Here's what I would like to do clearly both you and I can see there's issues here we can both see the here's what I'd like to do. I would like to get you on a regular schedule of hygiene. Player it's now. While your teeth need some issues, the great news is your gums are nice and healthy. That means we'd like to see about every six months. Now if we can see every six months in hygiene, we accomplish two things. We keep you as healthy as possible, and we reduce your future expenses. Ran. I'll see you in those appointments and I'll keep an eye on things. And I'll let you know what's going on and see if any this to the point where we need to do something about it before it becomes a big problem. But that's that's a good way to proceed from here. Georgia's that sound reasonable to you saw on on on get you know make a commitment to come in and every six months for the hygiene applauds. Separately and most of your doctor. Thank you. Thanks. Thanks for listening. Thanks for understanding. All right. Yeah So get him committed but but do the let them know why it from the doctor why I wanna see every six months. Let him know why? I love the concept you taught us call the benefits statement. So I, it's a benefit statement. You got this two reasons one it it allows us to keep you as healthy as possible right, and then we reduce your future dental expenses because we can identify things that earliest point in entreat it. When it's minor before it becomes some major and then now now knowing that he has other things as mouth who say and I'll keep an eye on things. To keep things from progressing to a point where becomes really complicated. Purpose that's yeah. Yeah. It's a good way to handle that. The last question I have is from Chicago I. Really struggled with deciding went to present only necessary treatment versus presenting a comprehensive treatment plan. How can you help me become more effective here? This is a question I. Think we get a lot of because many people. Present Company of care. Let me give this doctor at a plus for honesty. And vulnerability under. Close names or anything. But doctor, you have massive company among Dennis and I'll tell you something happens psychologically what happens. Near Imagine. That as you as a dentist and you keep presenting treatment people and they keep saying no. No no no no no no. No. How does that affect you psychologically? You WanNa avoid it so he's like you don't want to. Imagine I don't know like. Those experimental given an electric shock. Animal doesn't want to go there because it knows it's going to get electric shock. So emptying we WANNA white pain. Yeah. Well, and psychologically you do that enough it's going to be I guess I'm just not going to do that anymore. 'cause that'd. Subconscious, you're not making a conscious decision. subconsciously backing off because. Your perception is the majority of time. This happens I get a no and I don't really like getting a no. So I'M GONNA quit presenting stuff, and as soon as you do that, you fall into the trap, you never give the patient the opportunity. To. Have the best care because never present but really the key to that. Is the permission. Statement. The key to to this doctor from Chicago. I really struggled with deciding. To present only necessary treatment. Versus comprehensive, plan when you ask the question. Near as you and I are going through these photos, do I have your permission to identify every area of concern that I see? And when they say, yes, you just got permission for them to be comprehensive. Doesn't mean NAFTA accept. anyth- everything doesn't mean everything's complicated. But you've got permission now to be thorough, which is really what this question is. When do I know when to be throw versus just this thing over here? All right and that the permission statement is the answer to that one. This is a brilliant point gating. You're hitting on a couple of things that I'm fascinated by influence principal zander. So permission statement is also getting the patients commitment. So now the patient wants to hear it because they said yes. And the secondly tie this back to the. Tips. When you share with him, what might happen what's likely to happen if they don't do anything. They now have information they didn't have before you know the people don't the public doesn't know if you're missing a second molar teeth are gonNA shift. Public doesn't know that there's often decay under old broken down. Amalgam. Fillings that does going to progress on its own device. To and being a root canal crown, they don't know that right. Now, they do and combined all these things together and it really you're like a guide, your guiding your patient. And here's the best part about it treatment becomes their idea. Well I. I had a friend that had a root canal I really don't want to go. I mean. So now, how hard is it going to be to scheduled the root canal when when they told you that, oh, I had a friend at work and he had a root canal I'd really like to do everything can avoid that. Okay. Here's what we. You know we we we would replace those fillings. Now, we can do it conservatively. 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Caught Offside: USA-Italy recap

"Caught offside with every gumming and JJ Davani. Auto provocative, the return. For this. Offside yoga west of gun links JJ, Danny what's up brother, just trying to compile all my notes from the game which largely consist of stars beside Ethan Horvitz nam, and that's it. Lot to get into the US fall to Italy in Belgium. Of course, why wouldn't the US play Italy and Belgium. Why did read about why there's a I guess a sizable Italian population in that in that area as you have been doing that for a few years now Arlen play them in liaised a few years back, and this was always going to be earmarked as a home away in for them. So for the Italian, it's no big deal. No, I'm not complaining. It's just day. Could've played usually play this on the moon. We're not winning the game. We've seen the US play Colombia at Craven Cottage like it happens. So it's yeah. It does. Yeah. Yeah. We're going to we're going to obviously dive into everything that happened in that game one defeat for the US get into a little bit of UEFA nations league is now your final four is set. Mailbag what to watch for to say, I'm very excited, obviously that the the Premier League returns this weekend Tottenham, Chelsea I'm very excited in particular about that we've got a b. Fi mailbag. Oh, and we've got a little thanksgiving tinge to this next conversation. We're going to have. But before we do that. Sometimes Paul cars, the only man to go to the man with the numbers. Like, I don't think I'd wanna go for pint, Paul, Karen. What an incredibly just unnecessary Lee mean thing to say, I think it'd be but who were you so exciting that he should be graced with your presence. I'm awesome. People Email us to go and drink with us. All right. You don't know anything about Paul is on oppose an excellent guy. Paul tweeted this out which was horrifying to me for the first time since nineteen seventy three to seventy six the US men's national team is winless in ten straight games on the road outside the United States. So I was looking at a few things in that period. So the Vietnam war was going on. It was it was ended Nixon was in office until seventy four and captain into Neal had the biggest song of seventy five. Timeless plast. Do you think he was a real captain? Yeah. Who the nerve of him if he wasn't. He went wrong with that hot. He worked with the Bandon. Do you think do you think we could jailed him reckless? You're right. Very records. Because I go to him in a maritime situation. We like, captain, can you save me any? He'll bring don't sing song. Right. Like if a man was choking in a restaurant and tables away. There's a guy wearing a full doctor's gown. I and I ran over to his table doctor, Dr this menace choking, and he said on Dr what would make you think that right, right, reckless. Best film at the Oscars was one flew over the cuckoo's nest, which gives you an idea. I mean that was Jack Nicholson in his youth. That's I understand time. This was a longtime guy. No. But I some things I tried to give it context put a bit of meeting the bones. You were but what seven years old shut your mouth? Oh, it was almost a decade before the world would meet me. That's very fitting. Because like what undermine them completely in qualifying? It was their inability to do anything effective on the road. Although oddly enough, they did get a point at the Teke, right? Which was a classic away performance. Right. But yeah, that's for whatever reason. That's who they are. Right now. And bad some of those there's a couple of different ways to look at it. You know, they did get a point at France right before France went on to win a World Cup was friendly warm of game. I understand that. But you remember the performance from the US? It was pretty admirable. I mean that was one of their youngest watts. They they'd ever put out at the time against the team that we knew we're going to go on France were trying to play well in that the bass off the back of losing to a historically bad Republican. I mean, remember France was booed off the pitch at halftime. Like that was you're right. It didn't count for anything. But I don't think the French wanted to play poorly. They were playing squad that was going to the World Cup and would eventually win it, you know, the game today against Italy. The US are seconds away from getting a point. So look I I understand that stat. And it it makes sense. But there's a couple of performances in there that you know, maybe say that that's it's skewed a little bit year rights infants in the Greenwich. Millions is a that. We'll talk specifically about. To today though, look once again, and I don't wanna be too harsh on them. Because I think the average age of the squad was something like twenty two twenty two days seven or twenty two years. Seventy one days was the average age of this team out there, you know, Christian pulisic was the captain of the team. He now becomes the youngest captain in American history younger than do, you know, who it was before that that he has now unseeded? And don't think too hard. Michael, bradley. No, no. Landon. Donovan okay. And now pulic has that honor? And I would say rightfully so because he's probably going to be the captain of this team for many many years. But you know, Italy are are better. But the problem once again is for me personally as an American fan watching some of these friendlies is this like it's a game of no consequence you just played England where we went with the whole, okay? Let's sit back defend like our lives depended on it and hope that maybe we can get one on the counter attack and how how did that work out for him? So like any game of no consequence where you're testing out new players what just for once against a good opponent. Would it kill you? Try to take the game to them. It was so disjointed because even in the moments. I mean you've been calling for them to press and Troy win the ball up the field. They they did try at times. But what you saw was the the front, shall we say three maybe the front to sergeant pulic doing that? And then this massive gap between them and the mid. Field. So if they won the ball there was no one close to them to even to give it to to create an attack, by the way. I mean didn't have shot in the first half. They had they finished with just one on target and three for the game twenty-seven percent possession. I think it was look none of the numbers are going to be pretty sense the variety, just ran the midfield. I talk as in the first half. I thought he was excellent. He was quotable anything that we could we could we could muster an also Kevin lasagna. If. I mean, there was so many jokes about undercooked shots and etcetera etcetera bought like honestly lasagna could have had a trick. In the game. Hot truck is modest considering the quality of chances that he had those doors very few positive again, Andrew we can't keep the bolt for any sustained period of time. That's the thing that I keep trying to figure out in my own head is do the US not maintain any semblance of possession. Because that's not what they're setting out to do in these games. Or is it because they're not capable in these. I'm afraid it's it's the latter. I think so too. If you see how comfortable somebody like sense, he was on the ball Barrera was on the ball Berar. They just seemed comfortable left or right playing short passes mixing it up. We don't have anything like that. And you know, the much-vaunted you know, we were looking for tighter atoms. He didn't do that in the game. I don't blame him entirely, but he didn't really offer that at the base of the midfield. Nobody did. Can the cost a dozen do that? Shack more some poor touches on. I mean, Josh sergeant was he was if there's if there was a soccer film made about castaway. The Tom Hanks film that would be him. He was cast away with Wilson on an island, and he was on reachable. It just feels to me JJ like when they're in these games against superior opposition. When they do finally win back possession, regardless of where it is on the field. It just it just feels like instantly. They're filled with panic grades pulic who I don't feel that way with when he's on the ball, his Hispanic is I've known to give the ball to, but it just feels like instantly. Some they're going to give it a give it away quickly. Just because like it doesn't feel like there's a plan once they've gotten possession back in their favor, and these games are it's becoming painful almost as an American fan to watch some of these games because they're just so similar yet know defend defend defend. Let's hope and pray that you know, how however many chances Italy or England or insert other prominent soccer nation here. We just need to hope that whatever open opportunity. They get twelve yards from goal. They're gonna fire the shot over net, you know, or one of our guys are going to dive into block because you just know going into these games there's gonna be tons of chances against you. And it's like keep your fingers crossed that one of them does. Happen to find the back of the net that feels like the whole strategy to me. I mean, it was never this doesn't work. No, it doesn't. Also, you're not. You're not gonna make these payers technically better at twenty two years of age that ship has sailed what you have to do with find a way to play to our strengths. And what does that dynamism speed strength on also trying get guys who we nor technically good enough? I know sergeant is technically good enough. I know pulic is technically good enough. Get them on the ball in areas where they can hurt the team an sorry. You may not like it. But it means going back to front much quicker than we do. And that means long raking passes. Get fullbacks turned pressure on a lot of grunt work. We we have to have a manager that is willing to identify that as the way to play because I'm telling you guys know amount of time, no amount of appointments. It does matter if it's Berhalter are low potato. We've got to that is not going to make this team. Technically, more comfortable on the ball. What I would hope is that we we have our guys who are technically directors like of the teams like Tab Ramos looking down the ranks at are. You fifteen. Are you sixteen are you seventeen and making sure about in those formative years, we are working on the things that we are sore deficient in senior level. Yeah. And look you look at the players out there. And if this is the Gold Cup next summer, this is probably not going to be the team. So it's hard to really get on them when they're playing against Italy with I don't know what you call this. It's not an ace squad. It's not a beat. It's just it's not a see. I don't even know what it is. It's just kind of like, let's try something different with some new players and see what sticks. But like we're getting we're now at the end of the Saragan era. Yeah, he said after the game today that as we all expected that is it he is no longer going to be the manager of this team. And I don't know we'll talk about him. And what this tenure has been like, but I I don't know definitively like where were at today compared to where we were at thirteen months ago when he took over there elements, but when I certainly better about but overall like as a as a team, I don't know I still feel like it's not really moving doesn't feel like it's moving forward. But all that much. Well, first of all you can't have year friendly's and move anywhere. You just simply can't it's not possible. It's only possible. If you have your first team manager installed, we've waited on this decision on I'm assuming that the weight on this decision was to make sure that Ernie Stewart picked the right man and. I've said this before if this year spent without a with an interim coach and without the the solid guy going forward. If it is not to be a waste. It will not be a waste if we have the right guy in, but we I mean, we're still waiting on that decision. Okay with that. But I I never really felt like there was a rush to select who that guy was going to be. No. But we've got to make sure that we've got it right now. Well. It's like you can't just say, yes, that's the right guy. No, no, no. Someone's going to present to Ernie Stewart their plan for how this team should set up on. I mean in minute detail. I'm hoping that the interviews were were were rigorous that would have to be for job of. That they were Ernie store. He's no slouch him. He's done a fine job throughout his career in the Netherlands with the union. I dunno. I trust him to at least be diligent with the guys that he goes through. Here's here, you're not clearly here's Alexi Lalas afterwards on Dave Erickson's times manager hats off and respect the Dave Serikin as he as he exits this what has to have been an incredible experience. But also a difficult experience at time. And hopefully, this is that closing of the chapter. So that this team can move on. Because right now as I said, it's in stasis right now, it's a position that I don't think the players are comfortable in and certainly from the outside looking in. It looks very uncomfortable. Sarah over the course of his time in charge gave twenty three different players their debut with the national team, which is exactly the right thing. And it's what we needed to see there needed to be new faces to replace some of these many outgoing ones. And also it gives if anything it gives reams marines of tape to the new manager on guys that he can see at the international level say well, okay. I thought he he somebody might wanna call back in. He's not somebody wanna call back in. It's something he was a good soldier here. Quite frankly, he inherited this team in one of the darkest periods. During one of the most uncomfortable and difficult transitions that they're ever going to have to make. And I thought he did a he did a fine job. There's also separated himself from his involvement with the disaster to I mean, this was a pretty decent job to come into. When you think about it? The fall guy was Bruce Arena, Sarah, just strolled in and took the top seat. Uncontested got to manages country for an entire year. Let's be honest. Twilight of his career. Right. We'll you say it was a good time for him to come in. Yes. In one way, it was because they had in one regard. They had nowhere to go but up, but in the other regard because of his attachment because he was a part of what happened. He as much as he may have wanted the permanent job. He never stood any chance of getting it. What was the always going to be a transitional man at? Yeah. And what was the clamor the clamour was we want youth, and he gave the people what they wanted. And now, we're just at the end of the tether, not because of him so much the performances the last two games have been great. But we never expected them to be grit and people are at the end of their tether, not because Saragan dropped the ball or anything like that. It's because we don't have a new manager ready to go announce press conference the whole thing, which I wouldn't imagine we will know until after MLS complain. Yeah, they won't wanna take the juice out of that. It's still seems like the the huge favourite is Greg bear halter. And I was wondering if after this friendly with the crew out of the postseason. In MLS and with Sarah now coming out in outright saying that he's no longer the manager. I do wonder if in the next couple of days, you might get an announcement before final maybe. But I mean, I don't know how hand in hand US soccer is going to be working with the less on on an announcement like that they might be worried that it leaks out before they're ready. So why not just take the bull by the horns and announce it at the soonest possible opportunity, like if everything's done if the contract is like is dotted T's crossed than you know. I wouldn't be surprised if we'd sometime soon we presume it is almost on. Because grant wall revealed. Well, yeah, here's here's grant wall. With like, it was just like a casual I don't know if you were watching f s one the post game, and like like, here's some here's grant wall with with some of the latest on the US coaching. You're not really expecting any kind of bombs to be dropped at this stage in the whole process. But here's what grant wall said Gregg Berhalter remains the odds on favorite to become the next US. Coach with an announcement coming as soon as next week. Meanwhile source with firsthand knowledge tells me Julen Lopa Taghi, the former coach of Spain and Ray on the drid recently contacted US ockers Bruin intermediary declaring his interest in the US job US responded that it was too far along in its process to entertain low potatoes interest. This is the same low Pettengill who coached two years of undefeated soccer of Spain. The twenty ten World Cup champion pretty good. Coach there. Love the way, he says off at the end pretty good. Pretty good coach there. Yeah. I was shocking. When I heard that it was unbelievable Ernie Stewart. The first thing I thought was. Has Ernie Stewart made what he said would be a requirement of being able to speak English. This absolute nailed on tat because I don't know what he's English actually is. I don't actually think that matters. But whatever I can't believe however, fire down the process, they were bare halter like, I'm what is the process. What at the contract is signed like what if it's done. They just haven't for whatever reason they just because they've Sarah is still the manager out of respect to him. They hadn't made an announcement yet. I don't know or maybe out of respect and how late was little partaken. This month. The goal was this to right. I I don't. I don't. He was so it would have been sometime in the last what do you say three weeks or so I'm sure and out of whatever respect Ernie Stewart has for Gregg Berhalter, you know. You know, would have been a difficult thing to say remember that job that we said verbally. We were giving you well, not so fast. I don't know the not an easy conversation to have this position to make friends. I don't know the galaxies. Verbal like. If all if there was nothing signed, then I don't think there's anything preventing them other than common decency from going back on their word. You know, what this was the lasting Ernie Stewart needed with for granted dropped out of the Logan. That's it's quite amazing though. Because I don't know I think you have to kind of take a step back for a second because Jillian techies name has been dragged through the mud over the past month because of the awful start realm adrift got off to and the way in which his job with Spain ended. But like remember his job with Spain. He wasn't fired because of any kind of poor performance. It was all just overlay behind the back dealings that offended the span of Spanish federation. I mean, you're talking about a potential manager for the US soccer federation that was managing Spain. At a World Cup this past summer in terms of coaching. He would be the most qualified coach. We would we ever had. Yeah. I think I think you'd have to say that. I mean, I know that there've been coaches who had signifty. Resumes here in the Bruce Arena's resume leading up to his getting the job was significant. But I mean, Lopa Taghi like. Wow. Yeah. That's you're right. It does it probably did put Ernie stored in a really uncomfortable position. You say too low potatoes people now we can't entertain this because we're too far along with Gregg Berhalter, no offense to him. No. But. Yeah. While k. Yeah. Yeah. I Don I I don't know how to read it. I really don't. And also, I I should say that I'm more of a guy who is worried about the culture that's going to be created in the team. And also the style of play and the plan. These are the things I'm not sure like we seem Chris Coleman Wales. Andrew what talk to me about his resume. Extensive put not great. He didn't have massive club success. But he went in there got the culture the west team. Right. And he goes big players playing isn't that what you need an international football. So I'm not just saying that little potato would have been super fit. But the fact he doesn't even get an interview is. Yeah, we're swimming that well, and we don't even know what format the interview process took. We don't know. How right one man's interview is another man's conversation. I don't know. Yeah. But yet, we're not we're not saying anything officially here. I just guessing based on everything that I read and hear that. It's Gregg Berhalter, but I've been going around calling it feel it's honestly felt that way for a over a month. Now, I would say or even longer than that. But yeah, I I don't know exactly how to feel about this team moving forward. There's certainly pieces that I feel good about like individual players. But I don't know it's still there still a lot of uncertainty around the whole group, and we're not going to get a better sense of where they're at really until the next Gold Cup their next friendly. I believe is not until February second against Costa Rica. So that's after the January the Dino customary Janjic. Yeah. Lead into that friendly. I think it's I think that was announced today. And then you know, the Gold Cup is the next true test of where they're at. And you know, how true of test is that like if they get through the group stage with relative ease, but then lose to Mexico in the semi finals. We know more I guess watching them play. But I don't know we are so full of of kind of uncertainty here, but I would say if Mexico Costa Rica? Decide that this calendar is conducive to producing putting their best product on the field. Then it could be a very interesting. This is the one that typically matters right now, they're both supposed both gold cups are supposed to matter. Now the last one really didn't. But look it's still like if the idea of winning gold cups is so you can get into play in the Confederations Cup. They they both matter equally. Okay. I mean the two Gold Cup winners play in the Concha CAF Cup final. So the should matter the same. I'll tell you what we are all this uncertainty and everything I feel like there's a lot of negativity surrounding this conversation. But you know, what it is a very cherished time of year. It's thanksgiving time of year. I don't know if you even notice this JJ when you came in the cough side towers and our studio today, but they've renovated. There's a fireplace in here. Now. We're you demand that it's putting every year. Yes, I'm gonna put on my cardigan sweater. We're gonna. Light the match will get the fire going. Piano player in your. This is. And we're gonna talk about with respect to US soccer what what we're thankful for. Because the last year has really not presented us with seemingly all that much to feel thankful for. But there's always something. There's always a reason to be even in someone's darkest hours. They're still reasons for snack on starting to interrupt smells like stuffing burning. Can you? Go get it. Can you just turn it to thanks? Boston me around even in some fictional world. Incredible Andrews got an apron that says kiss the cook demand that that's not happening. So let's talk about it as the music plays in the background. What is it? If you're an American fan right now who is kind of grasping at straws and looking ahead to the future and trying to figure out what there is to be thankful for. I mean, what are those things? Well, this is Johnny analogies over here. Again, this is good, they're exhausting. The last year was just a train. Rick a disaster. Not a good start. We've been roller on a journey somewhere. Only to realize that this is just one long trip nowhere. It reminds me Andrew of the classic conic American film plans. Trans and automobiles which is really just a film about frustration. Which is what we're all feeling in US soccer right now when everyone else was getting themselves together for a World Cup, which is the destination. This is Chicago. Ago we were playing friendlies. Spending the night in a cheap motel in Wichita. That's what friends are. We watched seemingly everybody else get ready for thanksgiving. But we were still on the road going somewhere. Andrew unthankful for hope I'm thankful for the struggle. I still think we are headed somewhere. Good. We've got some young talent. And that's half. The battle feel Steve Martin on the train wearily looking back over a miserable journey with John candy. But somehow gaining solace and laughs, I hope this is how we will eventually look back at this year. I'm ba- thankful for the struggle. That is alternately the gravy on the Turkey. It tastes so much better. When you've worked for this is what it reminds me of. Absolutely. Look. At the very least we've got a Pulitzer to grow old with air. We go. Right. I like us. You like us Christian likes us. There is hope. Thank you. Spiritual. And I mean, let's be honest. You you hit on it there. Nope. Ula sick. Like, he's resolved bail. Yeah. Like, I really think that there's a bona fide star. Like nothing has happened over the course of the last thirteen months since the loss in Trinidad that has changed my thinking about Beulah sick. In fact, if anything I think my resolve is only strengthened in continuing to watch them develop and play. And I think look there's more than just him. I know our conversations always resort back to him. When we're talking about anything good with this team. But you know. Take yourself back a year ago. What was Weston mckennie other than a name? Like, it was just like a name that was kind of out there. Oh, young player. Like, we're desperate for youth. Played a few games for shocker, but we not even really like an serious role. And but like think about where he is now. Right. You know, he's a certain starter. I think you have to look at for the US. He starts for shock. He's playing meaningful Champions League games for them. He is scored in the Champions League for them. So all the sudden now, okay Pule sick is is an established star in your in established great European league. All the sudden McKinney whose even younger, oh, maybe there's something happening there. Josh sergeant is now going over to verte Brennan and has been playing great in the youth. Ran his about to burst through to the first two. Yes. And his highly thought of by anybody you talked to who covers the boondocks league. So tighter Adams is a heat map. Right. Cording to red bull funds. So yes, there are things to be thankful for right now. When you look at US soccer, I know you may have to dig a little bit. Look there. You cars going to get burned to the ground by some buffoon. You know, you're going to end up sleeping in terrible motel. You're going to end up shouting at the person beside you. It's gonna be rough. You don't know if you're gonna go home to your wonderful house on the suburbs of Chicago. But you're gonna get there. I believe we're going to get there. What is there? There is Chicago is a tournament. So that's where we're at. We're heading for the World Cup. I guess I'm we're going to be better. Maybe Chicago isn't the workup. Maybe Chicago's getting out of the group. I don't know. I just look at all these international teams with less talent. Can you say Northern Ireland has a player that Christian pulisic right now? No, no him. Look what they are. Doing has is land got a player like him. Give cigarettes was was playing for the US. How would we be talking about him? I'll look at him. You know? Yeah. But I'm just saying you can have these generational players and build a team of parts. I do believe the pillow sick is better than cigarettes. And he go on record and say, here's another thing. We should be thankful for folks international football is not the highest under the football in the world. It just isn't. And we can be good again. Happy thanksgiving everybody. I am Steve Martin on that trend. I'll tell you what we're gonna take a very quick break. We'll be back in just moments. We'll do a little bit of UEFA nations league some of your mail. What to watch Ford's? It's beautiful evening JJ. Nice it here by the fire digesting wonderful meal. Drinking eggnog be right back. I can't believe it. That Philip brought his little brother on our mission into orbit. How long until we get there? Get there. I'll get there. Now. I can't believe how easy it was to save hundreds of dollars on my car insurance with Geico. What's first button? Do what's this button do button? Do this. Believe it. Geico could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. Show L to play. It's still coming home JJ. There were people's thought after World Cup was no longer coming home that was only for the World Cup. And no it is still coming home. Does the nation's league trophy count as ending fifty years of hurt? Is it fifty years now sixty six nine hundred sixty six no it's a little bit more could Lord, right? Yeah. Yes. Yes. Mental math. Yes. Coming home. We're not quite sure what it is. But it's coming home. And we couldn't figure it out. But it's coming home. We thought it was rubbish therapist. It's coming home. That's a good question. You ask though. I look I I don't think so England be thrilled to win it. But what? But what they going and lay then in the actual European championships. It wouldn't matter much so right? But in the moment, I think yeah. It would it would be yet another sign of progress being made by that country. And look it's very funny because as that game with Croatias playing out England or down one nil it's late and they're in danger of being relegated from this way nations league. And so like, what is the narrative going to be if that happens? Oh, everything that happened over the summer were right back to where we started the boys of becky's, right? Yeah. The boys of bet this right? We're we're right back to square one. But this England team is different at least on that day in in the way that they they got the goals that they needed. I wouldn't say the first one was particularly pretty but lingered guard on the doorstep after Kane kept it alive. And then Cain with the winner off of chill wells feed. Yes apiece. You know, they found a way they turn it around. And now they're in the final four. That's a great point wasn't equality down to Thomas grata, Mark the. Throwing coach for Liverpool wasn't Trent Alexander or. No. It was Joe Gomez took the throne hit was figure. Right. Yeah. That was mocked wasn't. It didn't we do a whole segment segment on why who was it. Oh, audio Richard keys. Yes. Do we still where he made fun of handy, gray and Richard keys? Oh, that's right there. Yuk ended up together. It was mainly Andy gray. Oh, it was. Yeah. Richard Keith was just laughing hyena. But Andy gray was destroying the fact that they had throwing that Liverpool had a throwing coach, right? That's right. Of their in being sports. The one thing with inland that I think you would have to say is true aside from anything that's happening on the field going into World Cup qualifying. I don't know we talked all the time about the relationship between English fans and that team and how it was just it was fractured that national team football in England had become just a temporary distraction between Premier League matches. And I do say what you want about anything else with like whether or not England is actually good whether or not they've been fortunate to get the results, say whatever you want about that. But the one thing that I do believe you would have to say is that from fan's perspective when England plays. It's no longer the like roll your eyes at it a moment that you would get before. It's I don't think that England fans view it that way anymore. I do think that this is fun for them. And that they have developed a bond with this team. Well, it's not the national embarrassment. That it had become. I mean, well it had look at what after Iceland. The negativity was unbelievable. You honestly, thought English international football was never going to recover from that. It was really that bad. And again, the the atmosphere the positivity that Garrett soak it has deliberately tried to create. No, I don't know if inviting the media into play darts with the players unto be so open wasn't like a very clever move are a cynical move or an actual genuine move to make things better. But it worked they got the media after back. They were open. We had we had England players talking about their personal problems to journalists on the eve of World Cup. Donny rose undo the toxic relationship going back. I think really as far as Bobby Robson in the nineteen eighties. I'm reaching its its high watermark with with Graham Taylor all that was. Dealt with. And now they're proud of England and they've got the media under site, but more than that the connection with the fines is huge and they're better. They're they're better team. Definitely the you know, the injection of youth. Mix makes a huge difference to them sell kits. Don't of brilliant job who any always felt like an interim coach, I know it never felt like he was the first choice. It just felt like he was the convenience choice. Well, this guy's been around the team. He knows these guys. You know, we got to go with somebody. There's no other obvious answer. JJ sin. Allardyce was the manager not long. You say the Daily Telegraph. Yeah. It was the telegraph. We have it up on our wall the hat to look around Sam and his pint of wine, the telegraph did the FA it probably didn't seem like it at the time. It definitely didn't. They did the F A A huge service in many ways to get get involved. Here's gab Marcatti a little bit more on that bond between England and the fans what is really starting in. What I haven't seen in in. Many decades here in England is in Southgate touched upon it is the opposite connection with with the team between these players and the fans the the sort of relentless positively that comes from the supporters, and is very evident that it gives them that it gives them a real lift as well as probably also the fact that south gate least affront does have options. He does have dynamic players. And I think it showed it though, substitution alley Sancho Lynn guard each one of those guys contributing in their in their own way. I think there's still a whole bunch of holes to be picked in this team. But equally they have something special going on here. Yeah. I think young likable players that they do have plus dramatic results that they have managed to get over the last several months or so right up until this past week. I think that equals just like a fresh fun outlook for a previously tortured fan base. I have never heard on relenting optimism in a sentence regarding anything this team. I haven't not since you are Ninety-six when it was coming home. The first time when it was it was the image recept up in it. Oh, I was a kid in England at the time. It was unbelievable. They had demystified did like the descend. George's flag was always the scariest thing in the world to me because it represented the fire writing, and then it was hanging from every window. And it seemed like a rallying point. It was amazing that. Feeling is is kind of back again, it certainly does feel that way. Looking at the other teams that will be joining them in the nation's league final four, Switzerland, Portugal, and the Netherlands not necessarily the usual suspects. I think you would have to say the once upon a time usual suspects. I mean, you've got Switzerland in there who are definitely the impostor at the table. If you're a team, oh, you've got Portugal, who are the reigning European champions. You've got the Netherlands who let's be honest. That's the one that is most interesting to me it stands out to me too. I'm what Kumon is done in a short period of time. Are are what had I don't know how to put it. But he has he's he's got a buzz around the team again in a not too dissimilar way to soak it, but I don't know how he's done it because it's this weird mix of young talent. Like delete is definitely a player that's on his way in India. Cendant rules, Royce talent virgin Van Dyke who basically cool. Nhs assistance can tell coom and you should play them up front for the last few minutes against Germany, and he can score volley. As if incredible like if that was how he can finish that you'd say what a finish. But then give journeyman like Martin to Rune and misfits like Memphis a pie. And Ryan babble babble is the one where like he's there. Damarcus Beasley it's incredibly. Yeah. But at least Beasley had a level of consistency. His career is being all over them. I suppose that's true. But that whole element of weight still. Yeah. I that has to exist with babble like it does. What Beasley they're fascinating. You say cast-offs like Memphis to pie first of all his first fit. Right. Okay. Misfit and that is not an unfair label for him. Well, it didn't work at Manchester United, and I don't think that was entirely his fault. But like he's gone onto Leon and has been a good player as being very good. And it looks like he probably gotta move if the on can hold onto them, and they'll be doing. Well, so I mean, I think the Netherlands went through a really odd transitional period much like maybe what we're seeing with Italy. And maybe like what we're seeing with Germany as well. As the it was against Germany, the Netherlands got the two result. Thanks to two late goals that put them into this final four and Germany now. Like now the snowball is starting to roll. You know, we talked about it at the end of the World Cup. You know was Yogi low on any kind of a hot seat. We said well, his pedigree. And what he's achieved there is such that he deserves multiple chances. But now with the way things have gone for them as this year is wrapping up, you know, you start to wonder maybe they maybe it's not necessarily his fault. But maybe it's just time for a change. I know what you're saying. I don't think he's in in any immediate danger. I think they actually played knowing only so highlights they actually paid okay against Holland in that game they paid. Well, they were leading to knit, and I I don't think they will they will pull the trigger. Just yet. Don't forget qualifying as actual qualifying is just around the corner. I'm not sure they're going to do that. Here's all one hundred Merano on ESPN FC talking about some of the concern over Germany is yet another sign that the German national team simply are not who we have thought an have come to appreciate for many years now team that to nothing is game over. See you guys later not only going to be to nothing. I take it back to the semi to semi finals the World Cup in two thousand fourteen where with nothing against Brazil, and he became seven very quickly because that's the sort of team that they are disciplined with a mindset of say, you know, what we're going to do what we do best. And you're not going to be able to stop us on. Oh, by the way, we try to break down to organize for you. That's not the case. Now, that's not the case. But whenever the Netherlands actually showed a little bit of change of pace and and had upper -tunities to create chances of their own. There was always a panic by the Germans at the at the end of the game. Instead of you'll see now the game of homes like my goodness. What's happening always happening again? And there's an uncertainty and a lack of security and safety by them that we haven't seen in the past it showed up in the World Cup, and it shows up again here. Yeah, that's fair. The point that he makes about like Germany up to nil now as opposed to Germany when they were up to know a few years ago. Like, it does feel like whatever killer inst-. Linked may have been there before is just not. It's just not there. Now, there's there's a lack goalscorers true goal scores. I don't know, but there's a bit of uncertainty crept in by the way, they were pretty good in the reverse fixture. An Amsterdam they just couldn't score. So I don't know I want to give this a little bit longer to play out. I also think there are some elder statesman in the team moving hold onto their positions, and they may need to be moved on and really allow that young wave of players to take over among those four who is your favorite. Now, it's import trickle that's important to remember here. Out of that group. I think I think it's probably between England and Portugal. That's what I would say to. Although it's it's such a weird bunch. 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Oh, I've heard Manny amazing things about this seven part miniseries and centers, the director Stiller comedian conic funny zoo Lander. Ben Stiller, this is dark. I mean, you remember I think it was two thousand fifteen when the to prison the two murderers escaped from the prison in upstate New York. And it like captivated the country as the manhunt that unfolded in Ben Stiller has directed a miniseries about it. And the part part one was last weekend on Showtime, Sunday nights, ten o'clock. And it was it was fantastic. I gotta say I'm in. I'm like, I'm fully in on it. Thanks for the recommendation. Also, I did finish binge-watching stranger things season two. I love that show. I gotta say I don't know it's not winning awards necessarily. But man, it's just every episode is fun. Edgy your seat. Like, I just I enjoy the hell out of that show. I'm I'm halfway through men in the high castle, man. That's I I'm so embarrassed. I haven't started it yet. The next season. How much I like it. Feels like pressure though, doesn't it? That's the problem with I'll get to it on. But you're saying I'll get to it like, it's chore. Well, the onion become a year with is just so much like with sports it shouldn't be pressure. You should be able to get to it at your leisure bed because I talk it up to everyone. I know. And now here I am had watched the latest season yet even out for like a month. The owned made a joke about how now you can inhale all your favorite shows in one sitting. That's I mean, honestly, this is this is the new normal. You have a mailbag. It's beefy asks you a soccer pod caught off site pod at g mail dot com. Sports. I know Jay Giovanni is not a proponent of the nation's leak, you don't know that. But you can't deny that it adds a sense of urgency and meaning to otherwise useless friendly's honesty of the three team groups with so much drama happening. All around depends. If you're looking at the airline, Denmark wheels group that wasn't a ton of German that I'm it's not that I'm not in a proponent of the nation's league, it's just instead of addressing qualifying and friendly's and maybe doing less friendly's and streamlining the qualifying making it better we've created a new tournament, and it just seems a little bit convoluted and a little bit bloated. And I just thought that we could have addressed qualifying rather than create a brand new tournament that's fair. Although I do actually think like you you may be right? But also, I do believe that there's actually been more of a buy-in from the fan bases than I thought there would be. It's actually being treated a little bit more seriously than what I might have expect for example, Scotland who I mean, when's the last time the qualify for anything nineteen ninety eight ninety eight. Yeah, it's ninety eight twenty years ago. Craig Burley was planned center midfield for them. They've gotta read opportunity after being Israel tonight at Hampton park. So there is a back door way into the tournament. Which is definitely giving some kind of stimulus to he's right to the friendly. The friendlies were not going. Well, but I just thought it was another way to address it. But fair point Tyler Karnavas, if the US men's national team played weakened week haute and the English Premier League where do you think they would finish with? They get relegated or becomes mid-table team. I would say they would they'd bounced between the two like, I think they'd be a relegation candidates some like like stoke or Southampton something like that. Maybe I think it'd be the Boing Boing Baggies. I think they'd be down. Maybe. Robert Brock favorite Thanksgiving Day tradition. Ours is watching national Lampoon's Christmas vacation after dinner is over. My uncle is obsessed with national Lampoon's Christmas vacation with the Grizz walls. If there's one on that team, Don he will just sit down and watch it. It doesn't matter. What time sits because they show so many reruns back home of them if that one AM during over the holidays, he will stay up and watch it. It's incredible. He loves them, the ones they've evolved over the years. It used to be growing up. My friends would we would get together every thanksgiving morning and play football tackle football. But as you get older people move in different places that it became a hard tradition to continue with. You know, what we start doing now? Like once the football is kind of over on TV. My whole family has become obsessed with those like hallmark Christmas movies when Lord because they're so hokey is like so saccharin JJ. There is like one day. I'm gonna really studied these, and I think that you could probably like fashion out a phenomenal drinking game based around watching one of those movies all the same all have the same kind of like schmaltz. Absolutely. Or like, maybe even some kind. If you want a more PG version like some kind of like hallmark Christmas movie, bingo, because there's just like the same themes and stuff appear in all of them. But something about him is just like I can't help. But we just as a family regrab Tate towards the TV at the end of night. And that's what goes on. Once. The football's over Matthew Roberts. Oh, I should mention. I'm supposed to be playing flag football on on on Thursday morning. But I think the field is going to be frozen solid. So it's going to be kind of upper twenties where do you go for thanksgiving, by the way? Have a place. You wanna come down to Philadelphia with my family? No. No, thanks for the invite Matthew Roberts. Well, no return invite interest though, you can join us in Brooklyn. If you wish vacation, do you share some outer devices concern that England can't seem to score from open play. Even though they've continued get results are moving onto nations the exam eath, I do, and I don't know what they are and GARRETT'S. Okay. Realizes that he can make hay from such opportunities. But don't forget they score from open play against Spain. The poise of Bettez there were pretty good. Then so. Yeah. I mean, some concern about set pieces seems weird. I thought he actually be loading the factor. So good from set-pieces. It does feel like at this past summer. Maybe this has always been the case, but set pieces feel like they're way more relevant to international soccer than what I previously. Remember like, I feel like that's an aspect of the game that you have to have mastered. Now in England happen to be really good at it. Stevie in Louisiana. We saw an absolute classic in the NFL night Rams versus chiefs. What is the best game of soccer? You've seen. What a question I'll go with my one it sticks memory. I'm not going with like going with like our personal favorites personal favorites. My personal favorite is your two thousand Yugoslavia versus Spain where Spain wound four three with two goals in time added on at the end of the game. I love that game. I mean, my personal ones would be like the Tottenham arsenal. Four four when Lennon scored deepen stoppage-time. But I don't know. I'm trying to scored that volley like forty yards out. Yeah. I'm trying to think of something better, though, more of a high profile. I mean, most you know, most Cup finals usually aren't that fascinating. Oh, you usually don't get them in that kind of context. Oh, man. I have to think more about this. Now, we enter segment I've dubbed grass holes Ben from Kentucky. I listen to last week's pot and heard your conversation about why they couldn't play the game at Estadio Azteca. I'm a student at western Kentucky university where I major and turf grass management. I focus mainly on golf courses. But we study sports turf surfaces as well Estadio ashtec. It uses a hybrid surface that as synthetic carpet to reinforce the natural grass at the stadium. While this surfaces is designed for immediate playability after his put down there are only certain types of grasses that can mix and grow with the synthetic carpet base. The playing surfaces especially growing at a select few sod farms making it highly improbable that they could. Gotten a surface down in time to play the game. Big fan of the podcast, never stopped grit work. Thank you very much. Ben in Kentucky. Great nNcholas welter. I spent six years working landscape and putting down use out stays stadiums. Was job. I worked on frequently. I'm sure the NFL could have paid for new surface. I don't think money. Our willingness was the problem new grass needs time for its roots to grab hold of the ground for the sod to take hold of each other to make one surface that process can take two weeks are more. You have been exposed as a liar. No, I just I just see when we play a Gold Cup games and stuff like that. Which have to be paid on grass. How quickly they put down albeit not perfect surfaces. But these are obviously tough putting on top of the are. Sorry, excuse me, sods of grass put in on top of the tar surface rather than changing the entire pitch the Desel structure as it's called. It's not called that. You don't know what you're talking about? Quite frankly, Chris dress about fifteen years ago. I was a younger lad, we all looking for primarily club to follow. A someone who grew up in Buffalo, New York. I was raised on the bills a team from the northeast to at some success in the nineteen, but never won anything whose fans were nuts despite a lack of success on who's locals were often commented on for their interesting appearance bills. Mafia naturally picked Newcastle. I've come to terms I've been supporting the European football version of my American football team, but it has definitely gotten harder and harder lately outside of Mike actually being strapped to a rocket and launched into space. Is there any reason to give hope for this club going forward? I'm huge fan of the pod an tradition states required to say that I will be in c-. He wants to invite federal okay. I'll get back to you on your personal Email where you will buy drinks, Mike. Ashley what what launching him into the sun is not an option. Clearly don't think the primarily with allowed. It doesn't feel like he is going to be the long term owner of that club cheese long-term off. No, Andrew, we're gone over like there's rumors. I mean, whatever happened to those rumors from like less than a year ago where it seemed like a deal was almost done. Yeah. But we hear quote unquote, chairman was being seen at Saint James park. I don't know, man. But I would agree. It's it's not getting better while he's there. He's not going to spend lots of money. I think the problem is that what I mean? How did they do it before when it was like Demba? And who was it puppy say, I'm trying to remember who were the other players on that team when they nearly how they did it before was nearly finished in champions things like six seven years ago. But that was Derek Carr was the director of football remember him who went to France and did all the work of alum Paul do. And they got all these signings remember own believable signings. And so suddenly going to stop for bridge and winning. I don't know what it feels bleak. Like, you're right. I want to give him a happy answer. But I got nothing. No, they need. They need new direction in some kind of new owner. Frank from Westchester PA? Have a Mr. pod since domestically started in August. Thanks realistic. Frank, thanks for making my commute. Interesting being philistine from Pennsylvania, like Andrew, I appreciate judges whimsical use of the English language. What words and phrases such as bedeck an Indian summer among others. I didn't take those weird inculcate was weird inculcated. I've used up. Four in the pot. Not only my scratching my soccer h but I'm getting a vocabulary lesson. Each pot on a music note, joy division, although influential and a great bond in their own right. Are not acceptable to casual music fans such as Andrew dole are such as an engine. I recommend new order as a more radio friendly banned from the joy division tree. That is fair point. May I ask what the song used for the teary on rewatch soundbite? Is you may it's air and sexy boy. On the. Wasn't principle. Air. Sexy boy from the album moon, safari, which I recommend highly from nineteen ninety eight just in North Carolina. Andrew I'm here to help going forward. Whenever JJ before you with his word power. I will take to the Twitter machine to provide you with definitions and origin. Thank you. It's the least I could do for such a sensational pod. By the way, he's emasculating you in a verbal way. But I appreciate his help. I choose to take it as a helpful Email, not a demeaning one. And finally give way do we have to end on this one. I have got to schedule these better. I know I'm not alone hair. How in the world is this the higher? How is this the higher? You may without interviewing anyone as this process has been so incredibly screwed up. It feels hopeless Berhalter seems like he's probably a good enough to get us to the World Cup. What? But why did he jump off the page? A couple of playoff runs in MLS barely squeaking into the playoffs. Coaching a middling MLS team finishing tenth into Twenty-three. Team league does not impress me. Even if you turned out to be a great success. How do you only interview him be rooting for him? Just feels hardly mismanaged by US soccer thing is gave we don't know how they've managed it. We don't know who this spoken to. We don't know what the interviews concert say in his Email, the some some sort of reference to bear halter being the only guy they interviewed. Yeah. That's what they don't know that to be true. No, we don't know that to be true. That he says to even if he turns out to be a great success. Well, then that means they got it. Right. Like, whatever their process. Well, let's all hope that he's a great success. I hook or by crook. We need a good manager. Yes. Is that it by the way, one of our listeners sent you? Or both of us have really you though, a beautiful Liverpool scar it goes on our wall of fame with all the rest of the guys stickers and stuff. It's all Liverpool. I mean, it's fine. It's very nice thing for him to do. It was Michael Gavin from the wonderful Seattle Liverpool supporters club. That's fantastic. Thank you so much for this. Andrew you can always keep this package on the down low and then give it to JJ for Christmas. I give it to them right away. It's the perfect gift for the passionate liberal support. Also, what could of a boom does he think you are? Let's be fair that you would pretend that this was not if I play that off as though I got to go when were you in Seattle don't worry about it. But thanks, Mike. Gavin up the mighty reds. Indeed, sir. Let's. See we've got a quick what to watch for in a sec. But I just want to tell you JJ about Indochino, please to oh, man. They've got a huge variety of fabrics colors patterns that make Indochino so stylish for your next suit. I know that, you know, see the clothes that you come in here wearing and trust me, you could use this. Oh, Sartori Leandra leave you in the Haney place. It's a unique experience where you play designer in council to in consultation with Indochino style guides Indochino is North America's leading made to measure menswear company. 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You would like to think that that new manager bounce kicks in right away. And they get a win there. Saturday, ten AM, Manchester United and Crystal Palace JJ. I'm wondering if you saw this this this whole stuff with romola Lukaku, wrapping. I did not. Okay. So I guess it was on Bleacher report where he posted a rat where he's kinda like in a studio, but he's reading lyrics office phone. Here's some of what it sounded. Like this week. That's on. If in asking forgiveness says is a break bread within the head speaking the branch for the on all the evil and at the. Sandy gets messed stops. So Jesse Lynn guard Lukaku teammates saw this lower hilarious. And then did his own kind of like kind of like mocking Lukaku where he went into a fake studio instead of headphones on just put like white slippers over his ears. He's also reading off his phone the way Lukaku, and here's Lynne guards rat Kenema mean streets. My friends don't be normal. I don't know. Why don't ask me that question? Those be because this get touched train. Why would they know wanna get? Funny, man. I'm I enjoy him. His snapshots pretty good spent the World Cup terrorize Trent Alexsandr Arnold. But Lukaku took it all and good funny. He like Instagram's back Jesse Lynn guard that they should collaborate or something like that. So it was pretty it was I enjoyed it. We should do arap. You when I. Yeah. Okay. It'll be a little bit different than what we've gotten in the past peo- back for more. But I think I'm ready to move into another John. Jay dizzle. None on the age of the Gono Lizl that none of that will do Saturday twelve thirty Tottenham and Chelsea the gun at Wembley. Of course, it is huge game for both of these clubs looking to state their title intentions. They played a lot of fascinating matches against one another in recent years, and I would expect this to be no different. And then Sunday eight thirty born with and arsenal in what could potentially be a fun game as well arsenal have been living dangerously relying on a lot of second half goals and born with been scoring a lot. So that could be a fun fun. Little two to three to kind of game. Who knows who knows JJ and a loss be good standard of football. Because we know anyhow is just the astral manager in waiting and well, wow, for every might have said that or ever actually Petula say year ago, we might have said that. But I am reach AJ every LA Lita Saturday to forty five Madrid and Barcelona I need your help with something with respect to this. Okay. With respect to Barcelona. We're gonna play a little game here called good leader or bad teammate. Gosh. Okay. Gotcha. Okay. Uruguay played France earlier today. Actually, what was the score that game. I should probably look that up. What we're talking about it. But at any rate with that matchup occurring. It pitted. Barcelona teammates Luis Suarez and use belly against one. Another Suarez was asked about them bellai and his slow acclamation to life in. Spain Suarez said this quote. It's not that. He did not adapt because the relationship with his teammates is not very good. We see him being happy. But some of my teammates have said and mon- knows football's a privilege for every player. And I think he needs to focus more and be more serious on some points. Is that okay? No Soir is to say publicly. No, okay. Say to him, privately, you're the senior guy in this in this jewel, and you sit him down say look this Barcelona, and this is the big time you need focus. Don't let your chance away. There's no nothing to begin from going public with. Okay. I was curious. And now we have an answer, by the way, France one one no on a visa rude penalty. And then of course, LS first legs of the conference final Saturday, five o'clock, Atlanta and ended up see and the red bulls in Atlanta and Sunday at seven thirty Portland, timbers and sporting Kansas City, by the way for the second legs. I did see the red bulls change their start time. It was seven. I think they pushed it back to seven thirty because Thursday night rush hour trying to get to that stadium. Yeah. Make it easy for fans to get their conducive. Thankfully, they did that obviously we'll have full recaps of both of those games on next week's pod red card. You wanna go? Yep. From the BBC. This is almost becoming a section for me. It's a it's not greed watched. But it's it's interesting. The Premier League's money is affecting the championship. And the English Football League has agreed to controversial new television rights deal with skysports worth five hundred ninety five. Million the deal which runs from the start of next season until may twenty twenty four is thirty five percent increase on the previous contract, but a number of the championships. Larger clubs fielded undervalues how much the rights are worth. And we'll meet on Tuesday to discuss their next move. One senior club executive told BBC sport EFL has just started a war the broadcaster will show hundred thirty eight league matches a season as well as every playoff game. And the carbo Cup final. They will also show fourteen ties from the earlier rounds of the carbo Cup and the semi final. Final the Cheka trick trophy sky have the option to increase the number of matches two hundred and fifty eight in the final two years of the agreement. These games can only be taken from weekend games. It is understood that Derby County legion I didn't Aston Villa are among the clubs opposed to the new contract leads chairman. Andrea Rodrigues any who also owns broadcast or eleven sports has previously criticized the current deal saying clubs are not getting enough money for games, which are shown on live television. You think five hundred ninety five million compared to the? Four point five billion that was paid for the Premier League rights that is a huge discrepancy clubs are struggling in the championship with the with the reality of that. So, wow, when you hear what their next move is going to be you wonder if it's threats are you wonder if some kind of Fisher is going to happen in the championship. So what's the end game? I don't know. Like, I mean, it's hard to envision those clubs breaking away to what earn a goal sheeting with someone else are how would that even work? Yeah. I do wonder at some point if like the kind of things that you see over here not in football, necessarily, but in you know, every other sport breakaway leans will not leagues but teams have their own TV networks the Yankees have the yes network. The dodgers have something similar in LA the Phillies with their deal with. Comcast is the teams have their own individualize networks, basically, I think you wonder if we'll ever get to that point. I think some of the teams in the top flight want to do that. Because as if they're not getting enough, they want more. They don't want at is how you'll get more. But they don't want to share. And that's a problem. Let's see my red card JJ. Sometimes in sports, you're presented with those matchups where you just don't know who to root for because you can't stand all involved for me. I think of you know, giants Cowboys in the NFL Chelsea verse arsenal in the Premier League. We'll now seems like we've been presented with one on an individual level. Dejean Lovin verse. Sergio Ramos the to have been involved. Some of the most infantile bickering that the sport has seen in years. Obviously the whole thing began last year's Champions League final when romo's took out Mohammed Sala then last month and interview with COPA ninety Lovin reignited the feud by saying Ramos makes more mistakes than him. Then last week. Croatia came from behind beat Spain three two in the nation's league afterwards love and posted an Instagram video where he seemed to brag about elbowing Ramos in the head. Then Ramos got his jab in also on Instagram. He liked the picture that someone had posted of romo's hoisting the Champions Trophy over a superimposed image of love Arain with his head in his hands. JJ in the pantheon of lame rivalries. I would say Sergio Romo stage on Lovin is right near the top of fat-list for me. I mean like this is just. Yeah. Caught off sides man of the match. It's sad. It's so annoying and dumb. Let's see what do you have up? Well, Tim, Kahlil bowed out finally for ustralia last night against the Lebanon, which was kind of a weird match up. But it's one that happened and ESPN AFC did an interesting piece on just how many times he's come to be the savior of this ustralian team. So over a fourteen year international career, so at the two thousand six World Cup with Australia running out of time against Japan. So leading nil he provided the equalizer strays first goal that'd work plano's. Then he bagged the winner on eighty nine minutes, he popped up again in the two thousand seven Asian cope against oh, man. With a stoppage time equaliser to keep a straight life, then in the twenty fifteen edition netted an overhead kick against China. Remember that Fatah by a header which is his trademark in the quarter-final at the Socceroos progressed to win the first set of Royer since the oceanic Nations Cup in two thousand and four ad in an extra time winner against Syria. After scoring the first in the two one win a World Cup qualifier in October twenty seventeen to ensure a straightaway. See the World Cup playoff place, eventually beating Honduras to secure a fourth consecutive appearance at the tournament. And you get a picture of how heavily Australia has relied on K brilliance. But we all remember this has been the best. He said from the pensionable, Tim kale, which is. I mean, it's obviously hyperbole. He wasn't old enough to get the pension. But he was in his latter years in two thousand fourteen and that's exhibit A in why volleys of the greatest goals ever scored that was his goal at the twenty four team World Cup against the Netherlands, very soon. After Aryan Robin had given them had given the Netherlands to lead. So Tim kale? It's finally over Andrew, no, more international football for Tim. Well, that's a word right out of your dictionary wasn't pensionable. I don't use that word very often. You wouldn't have to look at though. No. But you'd have to look inculcate. Oh, yeah. I I looked it up. And I've already forgotten what it meant, by the way. It just struck me. I can't believe I forgot this for the Email that we got about our favorite game like objectively speaking, you'll actually love what my answer is. But the Liverpool AC Milan champions. Final has always just I've always just been like blown away by that game. That wasn't amazing night. Some believe it was one of the and when people are talking about a game to have. I mean, that's kind of quintessential just so many huge moments like right down to this abbey Alonzo missing the penalty, but scoring on the rebound. It was just like Dudek save in in extra time. It had absolutely everything. Let's see. My man of the match is the US under twenty's. We've talked about the need for the US to start consistently succeeding in the youth ranks and develop that winning tally. Well, maybe we're starting to see it with the under twenty's they've already qualified for next summer's under twenty World Cup. And now they're close to winning a trophy on Monday beat Honduras, one nil to advance to the final of the Concha calf under twenty championships where they will court, of course, meet Mexico who's the American seventh straight win in the tournament. Some of those scorelines were massive as it would kind of expect. Yeah, they beat Surrey nam seven nil. Vincent into Greenwich. Six new all the rivalries Toronto FC's AO Economia scored the win. Goal against under. It was his sixth of the tournament won't be easy. Those Mexico in the final they've won fifteen of the twenty one titles handed out in this tournament. But Wednesday afternoon, the Americans will have their chance here's top Tab Ramos talking about the under twenty's talking about how impressed by the the hunger that he seen in this team. I think the one thing that surprised me was of you know, how much how much they want this. I mean, obviously, you always hope that your teams want wanna win every game. And they wanna show up and play hard every game. But it's been it's been a pleasant surprise. The fact that no matter how much we've we've mixed the lineup that the players have known their particular functions in their positions. And they have all wanted to go goal with a lot of hunger. And and that's what I really liked contains. So good stuff. Let's start winning. I don't care what level it is. Just win win keep on winning when and so on and so we showed the US Virgin Islands. Who was bossing shirt? Thirteen nil. Take that US virgin. Goal-differential that's important. And that is a story rivalry too. By the way, on a personal note. It's my dad's birthday happy birthday if any listener out there he's actually on Twitter. Now, I don't think he's actually logged into his account in years. Just looking at it. Now his last post was from the November twenty fifteen I think he liked to post of ours, though. Oh that was nice. He wouldn't retweets God forbid. But if you want to wish them happy birthday, he would probably be stunned to like all the sudden see all these mentions for him on Twitter appear out of nowhere. John googling John gun Ling J O N. No. H and John the wouldn't be that would be an extravagance J O J O N gulling. So. Yeah. Wish them happy birthday birthday. John. Yeah. So there you go. Hey, I wish you happy thanksgiving in all of you guys listening. Happy thanksgiving. Please drive safe wherever you're going. I know in the northeast they're expecting possibly more weird weather. Yeah. On thursday. So if you're traveling somewhere that day of, but hey, hopefully, whatever you're going. Podcast helped you in getting there don't be afraid that when you finished your Turkey later on. You can also make a Turkey sandwich with the exact same ingredients between two slices of buttered bread. It's amazing pull maybe cranberry sauce and stuffing. You wanna keep it a little bit moist? But you can use gravies. Well, go great, but not too much graveyards sandwich falls apart. Yeah. Right. And then you just fall to your knees go I've speed such a gluttonous food. I'm getting hungry now on starving this holiday. It's the best. Hey to you. I say. Take care. Listening to cod off side soccer podcast.

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"Clapping & Crying"

Hysteria

1:37:30 hr | 6 months ago

"Clapping & Crying"

"Hello and welcome to hysteria. I'm erin ryan. I'm melissa master monaco. Elissa i have a question for you erin. I love our questions if we had like a space x like elon. Musk rocket How how many pollsters do you think we could fit on it in order to blast them into the sun. Are we naming names here. We just named nate's we can name three the nate's to uninhabitable planet. Please i'd be happy to send them first class. They can all go. The bowling was we. Can we just say it's like garbage. Read tarot garbage. It is criminally. It's tarot cards for police i- majors and we need to stop doing it. It is nobody know that we will never discuss polling on hysteria ever again never again one hundred percent of respondents to this hysteria survey have said that they no longer want any pools. Okay let me just say fuck that. Nate fucking fuck. The nate's oh my god. Okay on this episode. We have a really special group of people. Because it's a post-election episodes. I'll hands on deck we have megan gaily naomi parag. We have grace par. And we're going to tackle the following question. What just happened. What is happening. Who are you people. What is wrong with you all this and more right now okay. I'm going to introduce them properly. Now that we have everybody in the same place but our all star panel today i. She's a writer actor and texan with a grudge. It's grace parra your spicy little pepper reporting live pepper. Nervous little pepper. You not so nervous right now. I'll be honest. this nervous. Little peppers turned turn less anxious right now. Yeah it's a real roller coaster through exciting it into a guys. We gotta talk texas. We gotta talk latinos. We gotta talk meth end. Clean being okay now in oregon portugal not second. She is a comedian and co host of the couples therapy podcast and she is ever. So weary oregon. Well hello i mean. We're doing our best. We're doing our best. I'm at the end at the end. Who sings that song. Wake me a no remember. Yeah that's me right now. Billy joel osmond. Who is he a generation x. Aging punk guy probably wears hoodies church. If he third she is making the best of her pandemic by hosting a youtube show in her backyard called bubble machine. It's megan gaily. Thanks for not saying indiana. You know when you're the first one on the board for a while enter a thank. God look at that red state. Where i got my period. Not it's it's tough one but she had to like indiana's like a panty liner. Oh my gosh and you know what the fact that. It's got that part that kind of goes sometimes. The blood does move weird. You almost duty. Oh i think indiana joke for those of us who have driven through that state. That is i think isn't the logo of it. Like crossroads of america which land crossroads. Yeah which basically implies you'll pass through here on your way to somewhere. I'll keep going don't need to be here. Okay so you can probably hear the relief in our voices if we had been recording this at our normal time recording which is in the morning on wednesdays you would have heard fear and probably meet still being drunk in voice But things have taken a little bit of a turn on wednesday so on tuesday. Everybody cast their well. It was the last day for people to cast their ballots and the ballot tabulation started and around. What seven pm eastern. We started getting results in and the first results. We got like they always are were bad for democrats. We had a big red pad of indiana up on the map kentucky. Florida wasn't going our way. Miami dade county immediately was like everybody was freaking out. John king was declaring our terror. Exciting to him. It wasn't wasn't looking very good and by the time everybody kind of called it a night. There was a lot of stuff that was still up in the air. But here's where we are right now. Joe biden just got done speaking. It wasn't a victory speech but it was everything but a victory speech because it seems like there are very few ways. That joe biden doesn't win at this point. Michigan has been called for joe biden. Wisconsin has been called for joe biden. Listen wisconsin shirts. A twenty thousand vote margin in wisconsin which is pretty thin but wisconsin history. Yeah wisconsin historically though like recounts. Don't really change much. Even scott walker even scott said walker was like yeah you can recount the votes but It's probably going to be the same and you know it's funny. Because scott walker is wisconsin dumb and even broken. honestly it's like why don't we just have janas. Tell us the news and everything out forever. Yeah exactly is still up in the air fox news has called it. A couple of people have called it but it looks like biden is going to win arizona. He is w- michigan. Like i said he's he's winning Trump supporters were swarming courthouses. Trying to get them to stop counting ballots. Which a strange move. Because if they had stopped counting ballots biden of one michigan. It was some real four dimensional chess going on there. They're still counting in. Pennsylvania were biden is behind. But they're counting absentee and mail in ballots to count those last in pennsylvania and those have broken three two three two one for biden and it looks like people expect joe biden to win. Pennsylvania nevada also. Looks like we're gonna find out about nevada at the end of wednesday. He's close and there is a chance that by the time you're hearing this it will be official that joe biden has won the two hundred seventy electoral votes to be declared the next president. I mean i feel like clapping and crying at the same time because this was not. This was not fucking fun. Elissa there was other stuff going on besides the president. That's awesome stuff. Yes so can you kind of walk us through what happened last night. So the predictions in polls telling us that we were not just going to take the senate we being democrats not just take it but it would just be by how much how much where we're going to take the senate and the house will. According to pollsters. We were going to pick up at least fifteen to twenty seats. No no. that's not. What happened you guys. That is not what happened. And still i started my sidecar about an hour. Go i was not. I was not feeling upbeat about anything because i was actually tragically disappointed about that. But let's go through a little bit of where we are including specifically some of our favorite hysteria guests who have been over the course of this election. I'm going to start with the one that hurts. The most sarah gideon in maine has conceded to susan collins outing chamber have a velvet rope on it now. I guess i don't know. But sarah gideon and you know it's very interesting. I don't know if you guys were deep in the weeds on this one but may actually has ranked choice so the person who was in the third party actually had told people to write in sarah gideon not her as the second choice in the in hopes that in the second round sarah gideon could have performed not the case. She's conceded so there's that this is where stephen king gets his horror. Why i'm not surprised. This is where the evil lies we all float down here. Keep going listening. We don't out keep going now. Good news wisconsin. For gwen moore has won reelection michigan. Our girl mari manoukian who was on last week has the winner. Gary peters has pulled ahead for senate race but he is only ahead by a couple of votes so we have to watch that alabama doug jones who took really fucking hard votes for us has lost his seat in the us senate. I immediate to a mediocre college football coach doug jones who as a civil rights lawyer prosecuted the guys who bombed the church where those four little girls died. He was the prosecutor on that. Here's a fucking american hero. He lost to a mediocre auburn coach. The fire alabama tuber ville even real name by the way that's a name you right into. Accommodate cartoons. Yes it's totally villain. I feel like when you become a southern football coach. You get assigned to southern football coach. Name like every time every time. I'm watching netflix. That says skip. Intro is an option. I think skip intro would be. It's the only place will your you'll meet so many davos strange this iowa very disappointing pollsters. Were telling us you're crazy. I was going to go blue. Everyone made fun of an seltzer. Poll saying girl is an out liar. Girl was not an outlier to reset greenfield got clobbered joni ernst is going back to the senate our friend of hysteria. Abby thinking our was also defeated colonel south carolina. lindsey graham goes back to the senate dying all. I'll emails on done everything saying that. People don't wanna live. I'm sorry listen. Go ahead no. It's look the thing that we have to talk about. Maybe not today but at some point is that i don't know of any senate race has ever had more money poured into it. Didn't fucking batter. Mark kelly it looks like an arizona we had reverse coattails here you guys mark. Kelly is overperforming. he's doing better. Actually than joe biden. So it looks like he may have actually helped pull joe biden across the finish line. Kosonen kikinda road. His wife's coattails kotel he also rode the coattails of the spaceships that he's flown. Kelly is wearing a billy porter type of court coat tail where there's just five going ripe the technicolor dreamcoat. Yes that's a also history was made in that race in arizona. Martha mcsally becomes the first person to ever lose both senate seat in her state not by by bitches to martha mcsally will be eating an extra meal today in celebration of her losing that. Second senate seat. She fucking sucked. I'm definitely going to enjoy a frozen pizza with her. Name on it on kentucky. Amy mcgrath does not even stand a chance against mitch mcconnell. He his comeback with bigger yes. Yeah why was somebody look at crypt keeper in. Say yes four more years what. I don't understand. Not the amy is dope. And that's the next bush me jose dope weary and a rapper stablishment. Jose hope these are my fleece firs a little bit. Like rapper meets grey gardens but we can never been so seen and i. That was not a criticism. I didn't take it. As such texas twenty four candidates valenzuela is currently trailing ponant. It does not look like she's gonna pull it out but we don't know the squad has been triumphantly realize it every single member of the squad got over sixty four percent formula guy. Paul karen bass also friends of hysteria. When their re reelection christie's smith running in california twenty-five she is leading. This is katie hills old seat. She has a slight lead. We're waiting for that race to be called and disarray. Tim's and marquee bradshaw in ohio and tennessee. Who gave queen creek. I know they did not. They did not see victory. But you know the more that people run. It's just nothing but a good thing and you guys sarah. Mcbride of delaware becomes the first transgender state. Senator in us history and that is basically our synopsis of liked the hysteria twenty-five man i have to be before we get into like the feelings part of the show because right now we're just kind of talking about the facts part Facts do actually care about your feelings because you see your facts through your feelings. I came across a pretty disturbing thing today. You know during the during the during the whole like run up to the election there was media narrative that was like white women are abandoning trump suburban women abandoning trump. They're forming wine clubs. They're they're like nara gathering fire pits. They are. they're they're picked palo awning together. They're putting in opposition to fascism. No no absolutely not there now now. The percentage of white women who voted for donald trump in the year twenty sixteen was fifty three percent. The percentage of white women who voted for donald trump in twenty twenty was fifty five percent. Now three of us who are white very very white accurate very. I'm not even doing ancestry. Dot com. i know those results. Are they just send you back. Saltine cracker back and taylor gift card wyant. It's so funny. Because i got a little tupperware thing of potato salad. That was unseasoned. You yeah it's okay. So naomi i don't wanna put you totally on the spot but like is this result surprising to you that -lutely not because i do think there's been this narrative you know in the becky and the caravanning culturally. I think there has been this community sense among white women of a certain age that they are prosecuted persecuted prosecuted cute. It feeling like you know people are people are mad at us. Life's not fair. i don't get to be angry. I think a lot of it is also warped. Feminism women the sense of like because i think so many times people will take Being mean and bossy and then being in someone being upset with that is like you can't stand a woman in charge. It's like no. I can't stand an asshole and at night so i think having think those are just kind of certain cultural things that i think have lead to people has really gotten women behind trump. Also if something illicit said. Last time i was on. I was on the show back when i wore closing care to listen. You're saying like there's so many people who vote who are voting for trump. Who don't want to say it and i think why women are. That group made to me the people who were going to vote for him but kept a silent. Those were women of a certain age. Can i can. I just say to. I agree with all that. And i also wanted. Say you're welcome lady you welcome. I don't know what it's gonna take for white women though it's like bitch. We gave you a white woman last time we gave you hot black dude before that gave you an established white dude who had all the experience in the world. This time wasn't gonna take. What do you need from us from the democratic party to give you somebody who you're going to like. i don't know what white women respond to accept trump. i guess. I don't know you know i'm just saying this having been i'm from a part of estate that did both vote blue. This time has in the past votto blue but does my little corner of the state is a little too little rash of racism. It's a red area. And i think that if you spend any time in the middle of the country around women who vote for trump one thing that is obvious very very early as they have very bad taste in men like have you serve their husbands. They are bad husband. Country prevents prevents sensible voting. I mean you think even about like these two men as human beings like donald trump is a thrice married philanderer with five kids that we know about publicly and one kid that is like a not so secret kid that is like fodder for gossip in west palm beach. Yeah and like you know. Joe biden is a dedicated husband. A dedicated family man. He was first foreign like sworn into the senate at the bedside of his son who had just been in a car accident. He jill are clearly so in love. I don't understand why women are like i want that asshole like is it. I could change him like what do you think. it is. Megan god and like this. One really truly baffles me. I was not expecting it. And so then i also feel naive and stupid because i see so many women of color saying of course this is what was going to happen and i think in two thousand sixteen was really easy to go. Oh they listen to their husbands and they voted that way but now they've seen and and i don't think there's anything that you can point to it being just sort of systematic ingrained racism misogyny and also. I think it's so the thing about. I feel like as us as a country when i look at other nations. That have you know actually had revolutions and coups gotten together. There don't seem to be a sense of america. As a community of family know one nation under god indivisible to should is divisible as hail feels like. I think women. Because what i would. I would love to know about that. Fifty five percent is the economic breakdown. The same education economics. And you know you don't need somebody's you work in heating and cooling car dealership exactly but eleven but i think by say that i think a white woman of a certain economic bracket feels like they ain't got to think about anybody else and i think a big part of a lot of this election in particular this needed. This is a team effort. This is not necessarily about us individually even all of us sitting here talking even like grace is to women of color. We're doing fine right and even so it's like this is about help like we need to just get out of a burning building right now as a nation and i think he's women who were like i'm by the oh i don't feel the fire. Yeah i think that's what it was. Yeah i think you can. Also unfortunately i that you were going to say the other end of the economic bracket is when you get down to the lower half. There's also people saying. Why am i in this situation. So and trump speaks to that in a very fucked up way. But he's like you've been around. And i'm an wrong at for you. Everyone's coming for you and so you really only kind of have this middle section of white women to target then But why did they come. And help lizzy like when lizzie. Warren was out here. Being we're gonna give you childcare. We're going to help you work. She was speaking of that. She was speaking level as well and they were like. They don't like it from a woman. Then you're seeing this. It's this true like chicken or va but yet the fast of like okay. We'll give it to you but you don't like the packaging and we'll give you the packaging you don't like the message and so there is no perfect candidate. We gotta stop searching for them and in some ways it's like the we gotta maybe leave some meghan behind what meghan is talking about right now. I think is very interesting. And actually a cue. That i think that white women are in some ways taking from the latinos. And i'll i'll tell you my train of logic here. One reason that. I'm i'm trying to piece together what's happening with latinos. Obviously and the biggest thing. We're not a monolith. We can't be treated in such that's my big takeaway cubans in. Miami are very different from mexican american spicy peppers like myself. grace pile. Living susan totally totally different people can't be lumped into the same category but one thing that is dominant. I think in a lot of latinos whether you are first second generation whether you were born here whether you migrated here is a sense of much. She small coming from cultures where my cheese small rains and that bleeds into people's belief within the latino community that there's some comfort in seeing a man in charge and seeing a white man in charge is particularly comfortable and i think that both latinos men and latinos women have in some demographics in this country. Some some parts of the country felt like they identify trump as a vestige of masculinity that makes them feel comfortable. And i think that white women can relate i think trump as a vestige of masculinity trump is not biden is not. He's charming in some ways. He's not like when you think you know who's the most masculine dude around. Who's got the most testosterone in dc. I don't think anybody thinks of biden in that way. And i think that's a positive by the way. I'm not trying to get like wwe e mug in pumped up reuter ensure that happens soda picked to that guy. But i think that some people and really we're seeing the latino demographic we're seeing it with women to they've really liked that there's a there's a level of comfort that image brings them but that being said grace okay. I'm looking at that. Same chart that gave me that disturbing piece of information on white women and again you know i live in a i live in a coastal bubble. Everyone i if. I had somebody in any circles that was saying anything jumpy trumpy. They would just not simply not be my friends anymore. So it's like a self selecting bubble. So i have very little awareness of like white women who like donald trump. But if i if you take a look at the breakdown of the way. Latino men and women voted. Latino women broke hard for biden. Seventy percent for biden and latino men also broke for biden to it was a little bit closer. It was like thirty. Six percent voted trump and sixty one percent voted. That's an age thing because one of the big differences. We're seeing this election. And what what i think the numbers are still gonna show in the states. That haven't been called yet. Is how many young time. Latin x voters there are and younger. Voter is the more likely. They are to support guidance. So i think the average age of latin american voters in california was like thirty six like very very young. I mean we're seeing in a lot of states while as white v very curious what the average age of a white women in florida is. But it's got to be liberal fifty seven hundred sixty something. If it's i don't think there's young white women coming into the republican party though in a way that is not happening in the latin other other communities period. Yeah tommy tommy. Lauren's tom wind up saying creating that community of women. I'm a real levin and are also like i don't care if a man grabbed put just like i mean there's a white women who had abortions who vote republican because they know that they would have been fine if abortions are illegal. You know because they have the means to get something that truly and so. That's the group. Naomi soggy him out and then the group biden talking about i. I don't fool. I don't know i'm talking about our indiana. I think that's why. I'm that's why i'm so wrapped in fleece finery right now. Because i know that things are looking pretty dang good but i was never going to be happy and i feel this way in two thousand sixteen. I said unless it's a blow out we ain't getting out of this unscathed and because he is he's always been good at laying the foundation of things being fraudulent things being taken that i was like he just setting us up to be drama. And that's why i said. Wake me up in january. Just because of that is what that is what his personality is. And i think. I'm still just so disappointed that it is so close even in places that tend to be read just because you know this man has spent four years showing us who he was for real like today. At the time we're recording. We are officially the united states out of the paris accord. Is it called the. It's like honey. I don't wanna melt. Phone is always fire and now we added a damn climate agreement. What kind of system make you want. Be out of the climate agreement arizona. You wanna be out of climate agreement. Florida was my most interesting case there. Because it's like. Oh miami dade you're going to be under water by twenty thirty literally float away now we're gonna live your condos not going to be there anymore. Couple more bright spots though in addition to give it to corey bush who is a she is. The first black woman elected to congress from missouri. She's she's going and like every single photo of her. I see her like professional headshot. I'm like this lady is going to really gets wrecked people. She's really going to get some shit done because she's she's fearless and what she has to say is important. And i can't wait for the like mouldy. Old guys like ted yoho hs to be faced with having to listen to and respect corey bush as a colleague she is now congresswoman corden amazing. I love colorado. Colorado a winning streak. It's moving up the list of america's best states. They defeated a proposition to ban abortion after twenty. Two weeks in every state were ballot. Measures asked americans to reconsider drug issues. Voters sided with reform so marijuana recreational marijuana has been legalized in four states. Medical marijuana in two states oregon decriminalized all drugs calcutta's about that on camera. I guess i could just carry around math kitten. The don't you wanna say do watch. Owner is so wild everything that's been going on there that i'm very surprised because here's right so it's been decriminalized the have small amount but if you sell it you go to jail right like if you have over a certain amount. It's still going to be that. I just like oregon was like we would like to have a racehorse. I can't believe they decided to decriminalize something that so. Disproportionately affects poc. Yeah i think. I think we saw. There's more liberals in oregon than there are. I think what we were seeing in portland is not representative. Like i think the people out there peacefully protesting is but the via the precinct. Burning down in minneapolis will the right of did that. They create today. They're their bark is bigger than their bite. Sharing there's this historical precedent to say that this is actually something that could be good people like when they did it. In portugal it turned out. Everything turned out fine. Like i would just like to report that. Gary peters has gone from being one thousand votes ahead in michigan to fourteen thousand votes ahead of michigan. You knew i was podcasting downstairs. So i could watch the television while we gary. Peters is one of the few men that we would allow to interview on this podcast. I talked about an abortion. I mean yeah. I senator to ever talk about his personal experience with abortion. So he's with us. He can come hang every anytime he wants on eleven another thing about the drug thing so in addition to the fact that the drug war has disproportionately impacted communities of color In a way that. I feel and was warrants reparations like the generations of harm that have been done like we not only need to be letting these people out of jail we need to be paying them money so that they can get their lives back on track as it was fucked up. I also think once recreational marijuana has been legalized in your state. Never going to be a republican state again once everyone can have access to that to that level of gentleness. You're gonna be fake. Oh okay like in wisconsin for example so many alcoholics. Everyone's so drunk and angry. If they just legalize marijuana people would be like. Oh this is an alternative. It doesn't make very true and no calories exactly. Yeah i mean well the they're different strains for different things meghan gaily. I can give you the no. We'd the no munchies. Strain no problem. And honestly i don't even wanna other stuff other good stuff that happened. Progressives flipped the michigan state supreme court union guys michigan politics getting interesting. It's becoming a little bit of a patriot for life. Who adopted that state list. Oklahoma elected a non binary. Black muslim millennial. I like what they're like new safe spaces. I think we need to change up the green book. Have you been oklahoma. Naomi do comedy do comedy festival. There may be big whale. Let's see what you forgot you know. That's how shopping this is California approved prop seventeen which allows parolees to vote which is great tom. Washington referendum twenty was approved which supports allowing Senate bill fifty three ninety five to take effect. Which would require public schools to provide comprehensive sexual health education for all students and requiring students to be excused if requested by their parents grows. That is a huge win. Though you michigan's eighth elissa slot can won reelection and new mexico. Which i said over and over is america's best state has become the first state to elect an all women of color delegation to congress every single congressperson from new. Mexico is a woman of color. That is awesome there also women of color. It's it's fucking great so that's like good news. There have been a lot of bombers we wanted the senate we wanted to not have last night be so close. 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And because so much of it was done via absentee there was us there so much like neuroticism about how everything could go wrong in advance. We all had expectations going into the night I would. I think it's fair to say that. None of our expectations were met exactly coming out of the night. Like none none so so. I'm going to start with you. Like what did you think was going to happen going into election day. And what. We're like your biggest. What was your emotional journey through. The night of getting election returns so i mean aaron. Look like how many months if we've been talking about this. We've had awesome women on this show. We have seen like nontraditional in quotes candidates like surging. The pollsters those mother fuckers. We were like can i tell you. This is not a perfect example. But kind of so. It's like what happened during hurricane katrina was a fucking atrocity and if it ever had ever happened again it would have been like ten times the atrocity because people should've fucking learned lessons from the first time right like. Oh guess what fucking reinforced. The levees get the pollsters to double check their numbers. If i never hear the word fucking cross tab ever again it will be too soon like there is no value in garbage polls. Yes and like when. I saw the and seltzer. Poll out of iowa said i was looking way more red way way way more red than people were saying and everyone was like pat pat on the head one of the most respected pollsters in america pat on the head. Because she can't be right. I was like oh my god. I believed her. Oh and so you know. Yesterday i woke up. And i mean let's just say a couple of things out loud for people who are very progressive biden was probably not their number one pick. I feel that specifically the progressive community fucking sacked up thank u. s. gay alley. They were the hardest organizers on the ground you look on twitter people who were die hard bernie rose couldn't have worked their hearts out more for joe biden that any so the thing that did make the results of today so sad so sad. Not that i mean it. Looks like joe biden is going to win and that's awesome but it looks like the people who really sort of like sacrificed the most you know we're like this isn't what i believe and it's not what i'm four but i fucking get the soul of america and like i'm going to do this and then you know like we'll find out someday white women but that people really fucking let us down. The pollsters led us down people who we thought finally got the message. It is one thing to have supported. Donald trump four years ago. It is an entirely different thing to support him. Now when you see. Is it the stock market. Like i can't even tell what. The stock market responded to by the way like. Oh two hundred thousand people have died. Stock market goes up the phone and walker. They responding to so i really. I have to be honest. I like went to bed pretty early last night. Because i'm like you know what nothing's like. This is my thing about people on twitter and he thought they were like materially impactful. Last night is hilarious and there is nothing about me. That's going to change anything right now. And there's no like vapid commentary. I can offer right now. It's going to mean anything. So i'm just gonna tap out like one thirty in the morning. I fell on the couch between ten and eleven. And like i'm going to check back tomorrow morning and so i am very glad that i think that joe biden it looks very much like joe biden will in fact when though there are still six hundred thousand votes outstanding in arizona which is a lot more than i originally thought. It is a big problem for us that this house will likely lose the margin of majority that had for democrats and republicans will probably strongly bigly can control the senate it will really impact what biden is able to get done and also something that makes me sad which i'm working through and i'm so glad i'm with you guys because i'm like ten times better off than i was two hours ago on your house but you know. I was looking forward to some very exciting cabinet. Secretaries i would love for elizabeth warren to be the treasury secretary without a massive senate majority for democrats pretty easy for people who are scared of elizabeth warren to be like no but the senate and she's going to have a republican governor appoint her replacement and so those things all disappointed me however we are still a thousand times better off absolutely with joe biden and kamala harris than donald trump. But it was in fact a very. Thank you for letting me do my therapy roller coaster for me. I was like very very. Don't dan. i was corus grace you. What was your feeling about everything. Well first of all eliza thank you for sharing all that. I love it. I love this so much. This is the best thing in the world guys. I hope it's i know it's fun for for our listeners. But it is so fun for us as hosts to to get to do this together to confab. I have to say regarding polls to the nate's just because your name rhymes with great doesn't anywhere no it also rhymes with. Hey take it. Also rose with hate. So i was. I was very disappointed in the polling element things i you know the biggest disappointment to me. There's a lot. There's a lot of disappointments. I just can't believe how much money has been spent. Definitely this whole process. I mean and i don't know how was biden's total like over a billion dollars. As certainly i mean i for both sides of the i also much money has been poured into this election and a lot of goodwill has come with that too and that and the energy and the enthusiasm and the ambition and the excitement is all really necessary and important but the fact that so many of us have had to give a lot not even not even us. We're okay you know. But a lot of people gave a lot of money that they might not have necessarily had because they were condensed during a pandemic and any mcgrath. Yes yes and it kills me that that had to happen in order for the results that we got which have been razor thin. You know. it's not like hey if you donate one hundred dollars of your paycheck every month for the next year. You're going to get the outcome that you want. And i know that that's not how how campaigning works but it just sucks it. That much money has to be involved at this level of. And that's what really angers me. And i don't know what to do about that going forward with the exception of the ambiguous campaign finance reform that we talk about frequently. I don't know what the path is to that. And maybe maybe there's something we can talk about an hour another episode. But i really really want a need for that to happen and you know social media is also the the worst. It was kind of engaging last night i was on thrown out some tweets. I said the only cuban from miami who's voice matters is glorious to stefan. That was very funny. Thank you very much but also like grace your you can't say about cubans an happens. This is what happens. Because i get so angry by mexican. I can make fun of other latinos. But it's knowing shouldn't do that. So i have a lot of self hatred nice tax with friends and family. I was doing a lot of that yesterday. i. I'm sure my screen time on my phone has gone up by about six hours but i also slept okay. I mean i'm confident. The biden will take over. And i have to agree with elissa that it is a thousand times better for us to have president biden an office than where we are now. naomi bring me on your journey. Well know i did not social media yesterday at all. Because i knew kind of what you're saying adult wanna just hear people's ideas the internet on its best days just very inflammatory. And it's about the drama and it's like you know if you're not mad you're not paying attention that's like everything right and i've had on the pass. Why didn't they ask this on. So i didn't so i didn't do that. And i said you know. Just but i am very. I am disappointed. But i will say this. Actually you know. And i'm just wanting to so many things but you know growing up as a black person and racism doesn't surprise me what i'm disappointed in is. I'm disappointed the democrats. I'm disappointed in the fact that you know as you were just saying like biden was never exciting and you know it's not about being my friend. This is the thing. And when i say exciting. I don't care about you as a person. I'm i'm here for your platform and your policy and if you're platform is exciting than i am excited. I don't need you to be like cool in fact i don't trust youtube. Relatable people say like our president. I can have a beer with beer with the president. The president should be busy words. That i don't understand passages me who you are anyway like it and i feel like i was very frustrated that there was such a. You know such a commitment to like moderation. You know does it was about it was about catering to and trying to grasp the white moderate and that is very depressing. To me is very upsetting. I think it goes again as you were saying. Grace these razor thin margins you know you gotta sometimes go hard and have some plans that are bold to get people to come out for you because i do understand that there are many people who feel like politics period and certainly you know democratic candidates because there's always assumption that certain groups will democrat and i think people are like reacting to that and they're resisting it and they're like you own me just because you're democrats. I still don't understand why you would pick. I would have people just wrote in your mom like rather just insane writings that picking trump because that man has shown us that he don't give a shit he's shown us you don't give a shit so i don't understand how you can pick him. I really don't but you know. I'm very i'm sad i'm tired. I'm just trying to get my last little bit of money before the race was. I'm trying to get some bunker money before race. That's all i can hold onto I feel like post yesterday's election. The white women who didn't support trump are going to be going to feel so guilty about the rest of our demographic we are. We are ripe to be asked for reparations if anybody wants to come up and be like. Hey oh yeah yeah. this now. Is the time to approximate jars of jam. Now is the time sie lay. Asked me if i would give my jetta to the cause. And maybe now i need to. Maybe this is what i need to do. I get my wedding dress. Maybe i said my thing. I've been loving walking around like the fancy neighborhood. If i go to north the big houses anytime i see a house with a black lives matter sign. I'm like connections. Knock on the door and ask for the house. i see. you've decided we. I had your control. Let's just forty acres out of it. I know you got to play to win your. It's a numbers game. The answer is the answer is never yes. If you don't ask the question. So i think that that is a total fair thing to do. Megan what was your last night like. And was there anything that like particularly stuck out to you either positively or negatively on an level. I started very very optimistic and that was a mistake. Now i realize. But i just couldn't i just. I wasn't able to manage my expectations. And and maybe that's just like i need this and i have therapy at nine. Am tomorrow. and i'll get into that with her. I start and so then you started to get really sad and demoralized and then there would be things that that popped up that were. I'm still so happy with the amount of turnout with the amount of new voters. I would kiss stacey. Abrams on the lips. If i could you know there are really bright. Amazing things that happened. And then i started because i was on social media i camera i was shocked by how little cove it mattered ruly truly baffling because to me as a progressive new bible wasn't my first choice. That's that's that's really. I'm like just get it under control and get the kids out of the fucking cages. That's that is what we need you to do. And then we will push and pull you if we can't and we're gonna try and do that but those are the things. I was shocked by that. And i also feel for these people in red states. And i know we have listeners that do so much and always vote and always show up and then we just shit on them. Because i'm i'm from a red state. My parents show up every fucking time. They never get upset. They have tough conversations and then they don't even then the next day they go. Yeah now we have these shitty people and we'll figure it out like i couldn't do that. I feel so lucky to live in a place. That's just like here's our fifty five votes. No matter what it's insane you know. Ohio broke my heart effect. A lot of people from ohio. Okay round doing the work that i could. And i couldn't get a but at but i'm not people from cleveland. People from cincinnati people from all of these urban hubs. And i think that's what we to. The disconnect is is rural and urban. And these these urban cities that are in red states. Get so fucked. Just feel so so bad for them. yeah i mean i i gotta say my my mood yesterday was sour I was immediately like unbelievably bitchy like as soon as the results started coming in. I was like okay. Well i'm going to be a bitch for four hours now. That's not horrible but we were not being richest we cover. We rely for being. I'm being a bitch. Yes okay so here are my things from yesterday and the main thing that like even though now it looks like joe biden is going to be the president. How the fuck was at this close of. Yes and who are you people. Who are you people like. How am i sharing a country with you. Don't know who you are. Do you remember when the show. Fear factor was on and it was and it was rogan. Joe i love the job was exactly. It was one of the most watched shows on tv. But i did not know a single person who is like to get home to watch fear factor. I feel like that about like this country and the political ideology that people have like. Who are you people. I don't mean and this is gonna sound really like you know whatever like as a white woman living on stolen land built by stolen labor but get the fuck out of my country like what are you doing here. Why are you even in america if you don't wanna live in a place where leaders are held accountable and their responsibility is to protect us from enemies. Both foreign and domestic. I don't really care if cova came from china. Part of the president's job is to protect us from that. I don't give a shit whose fault it is. It's here protect us. Why are so many people like he didn't do it but that's totally okay because democrats that is unbelievable second thing. I found it to be a little curious that democrats i mean yes. We're gonna pandemic like democrats were so gung ho about early voting knowing that what would happen is that votes in states like pennsylvania michigan and wisconsin that were cast early would be counted last thus giving the president and apparently not an election night putting us in a position where some wacky courts could have really fucked with us if they had decided to err on the set of wacky which thankfully they haven't so far another thing was watching the returns was actual hell in the lease fun thing. I like josh came home from a walk with the dog. And i was watching the simpsons re runs on disney plus so bad. My computer open like looking at twitter and like being on the group threatened like seeing the returns and josh was like why are why. Are you watching disney. Plus right now. And i was like because cable news is cancer and then we turned it to john king being like this is why elections are fun. Oh is it fun for you. White guy white guy that makes at least six figures that has nothing at stake except maybe having to write a slightly bigger check to the government. Is this fun for you. is there fine. This isn't hard for this fucking funded. This isn't fun. And i'm in a demographic that is among the least likely to suffer like bad consequences of these things but like i also try to be an empathetic person and i care a lot about what happens to people who are more disenfranchised than me. I have a cousin who is trans. I care deeply about what happens to him. What his rights are. I have friends who are like immigrants who are subject to all of these things like. This isn't fucking fun. This is not fun ban the word fund from your from your vocabulary on election night another thing. We need to get rid of the electoral college alley erin. If there was a hill i was going die. Onto electoral college. College did a dumb bitch college. This is what i'm so over like. Second amendments stuff who like about some of the founding of this country george washington's as had wooden teeth. If you don't get to make decisions we up here doing some shit bitch to do. It makes no sense to me. There's no reason why we as a nation should be held hostage by florida by minnesota by wisconsin. Every time it's like michigan family in detroit said somebody. I'll tell you detroit don't need more responsibility okay. There's enough going on in michigan. We then needs to put the weight at whole damn country all michigan. We gotta get rid of it. How do we get rid of it. That question i. I think that's why we wanted a little more cushion in the senate at you know. Were the things that that we wanted to do. Because yeah you watch a- and you're like i also i and i know this is a stupid thing but i'm like can someone. Just thank california. I know we suck it a lot. I fifty five a lot takes us there dinner. We'll was give talking goodie bad same way about new york new york to like that is so many electoral votes that like. Oh man. i can't believe it to send nevada like. Are you get a ban. I wanna i wanna be the person who wins. The most votes should win the election. We should like and it also is like the thing that drove me absolutely fucking nuts in two thousand sixteen and through now was donald trump talking about the forgotten man in a rural rally bitch. Kansas you have like eighteen. Times the representation per senator than somebody from setting fucking california. No you are not forgotten. You just have completely unwarranted position of power. I wish we could forget. Forget the you know. Yesterday i sent tommy a message and i was like half joking. Tommy vitor and i said we should move the crooked media headquarters to wyoming. We could flip the state off all own houses. We own houses and have like little tears in la or new york visit. But like let's like let's go to these places like it wouldn't take very much like urban coastal liberals to fix it say california keeps experiencing these wildfires. So i go god. I just forgot something that i wanted to bring up. It's about the language in the props there and that's a complaint purposely misleading. Yes yes and. I know people that got tricked by the prop twenty two advertising and verbiage not okay. It shouldn't be legal. It shouldn't be happening. It should been like. Do you want uber. And lift to have control of the entire state. Yes or no and that like and these these are these are i. Guess they're not little things but like these things are focusing on the shank cleaning it up So now we're fucking ourselves now right. Well i mean that's living like you guys. I apologize for all of my spicy spicy language. I know it's just a barrel but my out my my f- bombs and my bitch bombs for that. I'm sorry but i do think i wonder how do you you know. How do we get people to what i did. The thing that was good okay. Silver lining it was the level of engagement penoles young people especially the progressive people. Where it's like. I don't like biden but we gotta get out of this bird and building. Okay let's all do it. And people stepped up and young people and people who stood in line and people in the rain did that and when i see that i'm okay okay. Great great there are people there are people who care but then it just feels like it's true it's like you can just by you know like prop twenty two all right. What was that one hundred and eighty million dollars two hundred. Well we tried to buy amy mcgrath and jamie harrison with the same props but but i know the things were sitting here talking about these other states and moving but i think this is a problem to you know kind of what you're saying. Meghan gilead sewers states. That wanted what we wanted. The i think we also we have a fundamental culture war. And i don't know how you fight a culture war which is why the conversation then becomes about. That's on okay. Can we all agree. We have healthcare. Should we all agree. You shouldn't go broke to go to college. Should we all agree that you know there should be a living wage. Like let's just agree on some of that base launch just baseline and say like we're all equal to still make you dumb. I'm not judging who you are. You know what i mean like. Can we get some baseline. And i think once you get baseline once bitching start getting free alexa. Pro once whole college. I'm we can get into the nitty gritties out of the difference. The wording of the prop advertised say to this point though. You're so right to bring that up. Because of this big rift though this inability of us to even determine what these basic needs are that everybody should be afforded. I don't know how this transition of power is gonna go and that's what really scares me right now. Because i do feel confident. The biden is going to win hopefully by the time. Because you're listening. We'll have this declared. But i don't know what happens between now and january twentieth and and we don't know what happens when the mobilization of trump's supporters which existed obviously in two thousand sixteen enough to vote him in but have not experienced on mass. What with their rifles. What with their support of the second amendment. They want so so badly. You don't see a bunch of biden. Supporters rolling with our ak fifteen. Is that a gun. Maybe this and you know ready to the streets when we have taken to the streets the way that we protest is very different. And we've been angry and we've been active but we have not seen what happens when trump supporters lose. That's what scares me agree with new. You know i will. Lots of for the gretchen costs at all cost. We need her. She's running the new progressive model state. I will say grace. My dad drives around in a beat up truck with a bumper sticker on it says armed liberal and the other day. He asked me if he should overnight me a gun. All my bike. I i was like dead. That's not you can't send a gun in the man whose leg i feel like there's rules around this. I don't wanna general is all red states by the way and meghan to your point earlier of the hard work that people have put in in states. that have turned red. I wanna give a quick shout out to the texas democrats. Because i i'm from texas. I know we've got a lot of listeners from texas. They work there fucking asses off and the results have been super disappointing but my god the way that that group has run its campaigning and has been so spirited and excited and has rallied so much money and love and support from all over the country. Not just from texas needs to be applauded. And you're going to keep going and texas as much as we can right. Yeah and then just just to add like we have a lot of listeners. Who are in red states. Who yeah are working really really hard. And so when we're like yeah red states blah blah blah. My critique is not for the people on the ground that are Working hard and against all the odds like people out there canvassing for doug jones in alabama. Like you guys are talking saints. Yeah my brain my my anger. My anger is at the democratic party for grossly misallocating resources toward the amy mcgrath mitch. Mcconnell thing they should have been doing is trying to retain the doug. Jones lang lasalle. You look like you wanna say something. No no i totally agree. I mean and also say something a little controversial. But i don't hate republicans i think. Even trump is a terrible person and that there is a difference between being a republican and voting republican and being any human and voting for donald trump. Part of such a bummer. About what's happened. Is that the past forty eight hours or twenty four. I don't know how long it's been not repudiation of donald trump's policies it kinda feels like a repudiation of his personality because the worst of his supporters have won their seats back bright. And that's the complaint. Is this breaking time. Just moving in to say carolinas letting us know that it looks like gary. Peters has taken michigan gary love gary love gary elissa i totally. It's not controversial. But i think the thing is. I've never really understood this. Like voting along party line no matter what again. I don't like i. Publication once republicans get gerrymander and try to trick the vote away to win. It means when you're like okay. I'm not your you know you ain't shit or else you wouldn't be trying the trickery like modern to me it is thing i don't get like you would be like just nowadays because they are so they're they seem to be so callous and they seem to be kind of bullyish in actually at the whole well clearly republicans had some sort of issue with donald. Trump is a human right like you know what not so much but all of the senators who have done the most horrific things have been reelected so to me. That is like where we get to the point. Where like no. I'm not going to stop holding you accountable because you're not a good. You're not like republican from yesteryear run. There's a difference. No this is just a difference. You ran on supporting what its worst about him. It just appears some of your party didn't want to hear his tweets everyday I like cindy mccain is is going to end up being an important factor in arizona and and we democrats were able to get sidney mccain because donald trump was so personally via of all to her deceased husband like. It shouldn't take my hat to being able to win a state that's obviously very winnable Can i just put the can. I just put something out there And this is just this might make some people mad but Cindy mccain in john mccain's love story is like inspirational. It is like a lifetime movie. It's like a michelle pfeiffer. Robert redford up close and personal style story together for so long. They were so committed to each other. He had this great career like he he was a he was a war prisoner and then when he died she kept fighting for him. That so romantic. I just similar to ronald reagan and nancy. Reagan this war plus astrology. We should right like a series of republican hallmark hall of fame store big. I worked in lifetime. Let's do it. I keep doing here far disclaimer at the beginning. That's like we're not endorsing everything. This person did in their lives. But can we respect the fact that richard nixon really loved pat. You know i'm only doing that. If in the rewrite slash reboot put some progressive elements jimmy liquid. They're talking about their love. he's being like honey. I love you so much. If you ever felt the need for an abortion. I would think that and then we can put those speaking speaking of love. Those guys i gotta say. I love me. Some dr jill and combine dog. Let's let's give it up for a white man. I hang man in the office. It's every time. I see michelle and barack together. It's like refreshing to be like. Oh it's a public couple that really love each other Authentically you see donald and milania. It's like this woman. Tried to sign up. Something got a lot more than she signed up for and is very mad about it We you see dr jill and joe biden after the debates the way they greeted each other how happy they were to see each other even mitt romney and ann romney where another example of people who really really loved each other Kamla and doug another couple. he's smitten. I love it. I love it in a way support. Our yes i. Seeing a white man specifically supporting a woman of color level is just something to be to to not overlook. It's rare than than we think. You should come to my house grace. It's like i'm doing it for my ancestors vacuum for me yesterday. I gotta say yeah we do. We didn't really get into the into the kamla of it all because we we have to like end this pretty quick but like let's talk a little bit about the fact that it looks like kamla. Harris is going to be the vice president of the united states and what that means like unreal special. I like can't believe it she. She's like okay. So here's an example. Here's when it when it like yacht me in the tears tier so my sister has longtime friend from college who is like indian and was raised in malaysia stephan. She's married to a white guy of two kids and their daughter is like three and for halloween. They dressed the daughter up camera harris and they made a little desk for her to sit behind with like a biden harris sign and she wore the same outfit and like had her hair done and like all shiny and curly way and they made a video of her saying mr vice president. I'm speaking in your a little kid voice and i'm just thinking like man it is. It's amazing whenever little girls and little boys but little girls especially because there's there's fewer like figures that little that are there for like little girls to look up to man. That is so exciting for little girls that identify with kamla harris to have heard a look up to like the make girl. I'm a big increase. It truly inspires me like really a thirst. Do you know we thought we are getting this four years ago and so we just been like sitting waiting. And when they throw us. Amy coney bird. Don't you like her away. I miss yeah. It's it's it's incredible. I wanna see what she's gonna do because she i don't i don't know i've never been you. Elizabeth controversial so be controversial. Never really saw like when. I see like a woman empower regardless of color. I don't automatically think like yesterday for me. I don't feel a connection to just me. I've never have really. And so but what. I do think and hope and what i like about her. Even though she's coming at me with all that prosecution i do she does have a heart and soul. I think she can't be resolved with. I think she is like she seems like a real like we might be able to get some good stuff out of k. k. united saying And so. I'm like i'm excited about that. But i do know what you mean about children though. Because i saw little baby calmly costumes and accused thing and i said we. We need this win after the death of black panther. Okay to come back after we lost chadwick we need is somebody else for. The children is good. Good well you know what it is is like aside from just being good. There's just no matter what party that you are. There's an entire generation of children who will never know a period of time when a black man couldn't be president when a woman couldn't be an executive office and i just think that like that is exceptional distortionary because they don't question things. Okay yes. I really got a really funny text message on my like college. Girlfriends group chat which is pretty. I'm just going to read it to you guys. So one of my friends has a eliza. You know this. Because i sent it to you when one of my friends has a daughter. I'll just use her first. Initial j. and j. Is i think eight and she was assigned in school like a nonfiction writing or nonfiction reading like unit and they were looking for books for for the j to read and they asked j what kind of a book she wanted and jay said. Can i get a book. That explains why a woman hasn't been president really eight-year-old jay was like in this like she had this. Like why on. Earth that book to read like i know but you know i think i think that you know you take if you take a look at whatever. White people are disaster. We can agree based on what happened. But if you take a look at the young people who are voting and who they have to look up to and the kids and the way that the kids feel about who are public figures. Are i feel like despite some bad results. On tuesday and into wednesday i feel like we have a good reason to be marginally hopeful and like that is unfamiliar feeling after these last four years to any of you have like closing thoughts on the twenty twenty election. Anything you wish you had done differently or do you feel like you left it all on the field. I i just. I guess my closing for such a negative naomi. I've been is all is not lost. And it's like take a low vaca- rest yellow bones and we get back to it. Because i think that that's another part of it is a little disappointing. And you do think about all those boots on the ground not simply the people who donated money they may not have had but people who were really out there and it is frustrating and it can be disheartening but like we always knew. This was a long game. This is one step right. And so it's like all is not lost and as you said you know there's some great things delaware made me happy like like ours. Exciting like you know there is. There are good things. And i think also what we should do to help. Everybody is create like a gif or audio file of megan. Saying i'm a big girl. I'm a people pleaser. Put that in next year's young girl before we close grace. I sorry to put you on the spot here. But when do you think texas is going to be blue in our lifetimes. I'll tell you what i think it's gonna take. What if i'm going to have a planning on dying. And i think that we are looking at probably eight to twelve more years and i also think that is probably going to take a latino candidate from the democratic party to make astro was the perfect candidate. I mean yeah. I don't know in what in what capacity but and i i love i love the castro brothers myself but i i have to say this as a takeaway. That's kind of a little related to texas and also just related to my feelings overall. I don't want latinos to get divided after this election. It's very important that we remember though we cannot be seen as a monolith. We share a lot of really important belief systems and desire to keep our culture alive our respective cultures alive and there's a lot of elements of family and protection that i think we find a lot of unity and and i just want to send that message out. Because there's a lot of infighting right now you heard me make a joke about cubans and miami earlier. It's clearly sitting with me by the way out. But but you know it's like i don't want to suddenly not trust other latinos because of this election so it's important that we not divide ourselves and on the other side of things it's important. That latinos are focused on way more than eight weeks before an election. Because what happened year round and you know what that starts with. More latinos going for positions themselves in elected office themselves. So we more. That's that back to texas. We need some some more latinos running for for elected office in texas Kansas felons walea like even the acts like she's not she's gonna come up short this time she's got such a promising future yes she really does. She really does wanna see more from her. I will say just just so that you feel less bad about making the cubans joke. Aj delgado who in two thousand sixteen was a trump surrogate and who has since dramatically turned. She and i are friendly and when they were doing like polling of florida and people are like the latino vote she was. She was like people. Don't understand that like other latinos don't like cubans cuban. I told me that. So i was like okay. Okay that's you'll feel slightly less bad about it. Also is a surprisingly cool person gives yes all the stuff that she's been through. Okay guys we're going to take a break but when we come back sanity quarter we have a senator hysteria is brought to you. By bright sellers. Bright sellers is the wind subscription service. 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And like the you know. The neighborhood has been a certain way it's life and now like people are coming in like buying new houses. It's it's gentrifying but there's like a kind of scary supernatural element suing scooping. There's it's yeah. But what i really love about. This is like a thriller sometimes can can leave me a little cold because it's written in like baby sentences and and you chapters are two two pages long but what i love about. This book is that the protagonist is a sort of takes. No shit woman who has just gone through a lot in his very fed up but she's super funny she's super unfiltered she The book is legitimately like laugh out loud. In certain parts even though it's a thriller and It almost kind of functions as a satire. it's really good. It's a really quick quick. Read it kind of took my mind off the stress of the election over the last couple of days like when i just needed to disconnect. It's it's it's a really fun read. So i highly highly recommend when no one is watching by eliza coal. It's oh fun with a cap with a capital f. My god you got me. I'm getting it's you can borrow. You can borrow it. When i'm done i'm done. I'll be done like tomorrow seeing hysteria book club by the way. Yeah i'm point change or something like that for sure Who wants to go next. Megan i can go next you know. I usually pick a sports thing. But it's only football right now in. That is actually bringing me some joy because college football and the nfl coconut disaster on the most famous quarterback in college. Football has not been able to played for two sundays. So that brings me joy because he's going to be healthy and not a total bitch. But i'm doing like full speed ahead into the holidays it is. I'm decorating having more apple cider. Christmas like it's full. I'm on a bullet train with a wreath at the front of the ask. Holly jolly old. That's the palm tree with the christmas lights. That has me in california right now. It's supposed to rain this weekend by the way i. We can't wait waiting for see this weekend. Five into what. I've been following the steelers this year. Which i know you hate. But i am so looking forward to the colts steelers game. It's going to be such a fun football game. And i'm not like foliage fan. I'm i'm like disconnected enough. That i'm like. Oh yeah i want. This gave it affects. May when because there's a guy on our team he who can do back flips and say. Oh yeah the ozzie. Smith of the colts for sure you want to go next. I got you okay for the last week. Nylon i have decompressed with a little one. Two punch of 'paki the tasty snack that is the chocolate covered like kind of bread breadsticks kind of things that i had childhood than forgot about and then rediscovered suddenly fucking love and so we'll have our parkey while we're watching my very first. I guess this is the first sports comedy i've ever liked ten lasso on apple. Plus i've been here a good and it's so good because it's very funny and it's joyful it's joyful it's just characters who like each other and who seek love and none of it has to do with an election and it all takes place in england and it's it's just jason Snake is i salute. You it is awesome. I can't recommend it highly enough. Get apple plus. If you haven't now's the time that's definitely a wreck i go. I was gonna watch the new mandalorian season but that sounds fun. A ten lasso. The writing general comedy. I hear generally gentle gentle elissa. You got one. Yes we're one not exactly my sanity corner. But i have been really into the undoing on. Hbo max it is. I've heard you hear you guys know that i up until march mostly lived in new york city and it's very new york city focused so it's like nostalgia. Also hugh grant nicole kidman. It's murray there are twist anywhere but then it goes. They're in a different way. It is the first distracted me from the news In a while that was good but mostly my sanity corner. I brought it back to my own story of making. And i was very upset yesterday and i started to season is over. Here in the northeast. Only because i discovered cranberries and yesterday i donald trump. I'm like crying. Like i don't even know how to keep my shit together. And like my hubs tried. He was like a yeah. Okay door and i just got a bunch of fruit. And i called up and i poured boozing it and i made more jam and i was like wow. I'm okay. I'm okay i'm gonna can this. I'm gonna get my ph meter out and be bill nye of the jam world and so anyway i just had to bring it back zing back to basics and i have been making I've made four in three days. Elissa we did. You know that cranberries are a major crop of did actually. Yeah they have the they grow in growing gals the cranberry they flood the blogs and the luxuries float up and it is so weird is the weirdest because i don't like cold. Cranberry but anyway wait until this area. Holiday co host packages are put together. Because there are some wild having me. You had something you wanted to ask a question. Because she said she put booze and the fruit. And i was like jail or no to it i like to spike mice spartan apple cranberry compote with rare pear brandy or just for friends and coho so like your breakfast toast could fuck you up. I mean i cook most of the alcohol out by oatmeal. And you're going to start the day right. I love this restrooms or a bank. You guys all right now me you seem to have your sanity under control but you know what what helps. You are the two things that i know. No one else is gonna appreciate one. If we're talking shows and rex watch my hero. Academia great anime dubbed on hulu takes. You know it takes me away like calgon. I've been to anime lately. I'm a give me a fucking fantasy land where people have powers and i can check out. Also if you're not an anime head which i respect. Nc have you tried dressing up your out fast. Because i had. I never really did before and i just feel like this halloween. Like twenty twenty or somewhere. I was like his address and it is really lifted me up to put my dog and outfits. I made her cinderella for halloween. And i applied and it was like so like if you can just do that anything. They're just create little the animal closer very cheap like eight nine dollars getting a little dressy piece off. I'm in heaven. My mother made or something too small but then we tried. She's gonna like re so it and a cute little yellow label have her own and she does not okay. But i i just put her mind. The thing is that. I can't make another ins i. And it's a lotta it's dumb and you guys know i feel about when people pretend to talk their animals on social media when they like do captions animals. Yeah do you have any other future plans for maples outfits. Are you thinking about doing what. If you did a whole like circa two thousand one mcqueen show okay. That could be great. So i bought her raincoat. You said it was raining way to break it out. I can't bury you covered in rubber. Ducky and i also. She's not into the shoes. I'm just like getting her little like just a little dresses little sweaters. Let's give a little pieces here and there to really just own what i mean like. She doesn't need the coal nancy. She's she's gonna need a christmas outfit. she's going to need a new outfit. You know maybe maybe you could get a matching and out monaco de you my home erin. Interface interracial home interspecies as well so many animals You know what you know. Cats don't like having closed put on no. I tried that. Yeah they hated a lot. But eleanor okay. So crooked media cintas sent me a package of like the election stuff that had like the stickers and one of the things was like bandanna that was meant to be tied around the neck of a small dog. Our dog is no didn't work. But i did tight around eleanor's neck and she walked around like a superman cape and it looked cool. She seattle little vote. Save america cape but that is the only outfit that she's ever told you this. Naomi i do like you and then i tried to put that little band on norm and he acted like he had one of the cones on like cap hit his head against the wall. Dude man luka has both a pittsburgh steelers and a pittsburgh penguins jerseys and when you put them on him he acts like a shame here soon. He gets like a shame. Stature knee. looks up at you. Like i'm i'm but i i like to think it's because the steelers are always disappointing in. That's funny to me okay. Great sanity corners guys. I'm serious. We should do a book club. I'm in every year. It'd be fun what we've spoken at shelby ex. Exactly exactly. that's how that's how things manifest in this world guys. Thank you so much for being here. I feel so much better better to feel better now that we had this conversation. Eliza thank you. Naomi thank you grace. Thank you megan. Thank you and thank you so much to you guys. The listeners Who are amazing. best listeners. In the game. I'm just going to go ahead and say it We appreciate the fuck out of you and there will be more hysteria for you next week. Janet van it takes one apple hysteria. Is it crooked media. Production carolina reston is our producer. Our executive producer is me. Aaron ryan eliza. Monica was co producer and brian. Semel is our associate producer. Kyle seguin is our sound engineer editor. Is sarah give alaska and the folks that chapter for our digital team is normal conan and magic route. Thank you to juliet. Beckstrand for production support every week.

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Battling for Individual Sovereignty, Leveling Up Skill Sets, and Connecting with Other High-Achieving Men  | ASK ME ANYTHING

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Battling for Individual Sovereignty, Leveling Up Skill Sets, and Connecting with Other High-Achieving Men | ASK ME ANYTHING

"You're a man of action you live life to the fullest embrace your fears and boldly charge your own path when life knocks. You down. You get back up one more time. Every time you are not easily deterred heated rugged zillion strong this is your life this we are. This is who you will become at the. He ended the day and after all is said and done you can call yourself a man kept. What's going on man I left the new backdrop that you've got going on today? He looked he looked very professional today. Matt let's what I have to dress up like a monkey at work. Sometimes what's full. It's too bad that there's overcast. Otherwise those those who you'd be able to see the wasatch mountains behind me but it's all covered in clouds if you didn't have the if you didn't have the inversion if it wasn't clouds that it'd be the inversion right that's true that's true we right after a storm so it's clear skies for half of later at all ow so it looks great back there. Well if you looked out L. my window you would see a pretty good snowstorm. Actually what I would consider our first like real snow the winter here in Maine and there is quite a bit of snow out there today. It's interesting so what is what is what does that consist of is going to drop a couple of feet. You were like there was supposed to be. I heard over the over the course of twenty four thirty six hours. Whatever it is day and a half or so fourteen eighteen inches I think on this storm itself so I don't know if that's a lot or a little a lot for me because the most we ever gotten southern Utah was like a half half inch of owner? Didn't even stick on round. Yeah Yeah just melt see yeah good. Well let's get into some questions today. I know we've got a ton from our exclusive brotherhood the Iron Council which by the way man. The Iron Councils really really been growing over the past several weeks. You can talk a little bit about that and then questions even know or think that will get to the questions from the facebook group on this podcast. But we'll get to that on a future podcast and try to get as many as we can answered. Yep Mobile do our best guys salt doll one can do do their best. Is this the second. Ask me anything of the the of the year yes. It's the second one of the year because the last week it was on the first right correct. That's all right cool good all right. Well Vena Jim what questions we got today you too. Yeah Robert Thompson what exactly is ego. And how can one learn to identify their own. Also was ego good bad or both. I do like this different approach to this. I mean we've answered this question obviously before but learning to identify your egos kind kind of a little bit different. Twist on this and I kinda like I do too well egos simply put as an over inflated sense of competency I would say now is it. I'm going to skip the middle question for a second. Is it bad or good or both. Its tool that's all. It's a tool. I used to think ego was all negative that if you had any sort of ego or arrogance about you that it was all negative and it's a virtue not a virtue a characteristic that should be repulsive to U- I actually don't believe that anymore. I think that you need to have some level of ego in your life. In order to thrive and excel. Because if you didn't have an over somewhat over inflated sense of competency you wouldn't do anything because it would just be too risky so ego is what allows us to trying. Brian new things to think that maybe we could be somewhat capable at trying something. We've never done before because what for example when I started the podcast cast. What would give me the right to believe that I can do this thing called podcasting? I'd never done it before when I started. Ju Jitsu what what in my right mind would ever make me think or believe that I could be somewhat decent at it over the course of a little a little time. I wouldn Ooh so ego is needed. You need to have an over inflated sense of of Competence Competency your capability. Otherwise you just wouldn't do you anything so it's a powerful tool now you can let it get out of hand for sure and this is how you begin to identify to to Robert Second question as to whether or not it's getting out of hand. Is it serving you. That's it is it serving. You is your over inflated sense of competency or four capability pushing you to try new things to take calculated risk to be assertive to be bald to do something you've never done before. And that's a good thing or is it closing you off to feedback. Is it keeping you from trying new things. Because you don't want to damage your sense of worth a reputation these are indicators that your ego is no longer serving you in that maybe it's getting out of hand in creating a problem for yourself. Slyke ego to me is like any any other tool whether it's a hammer or screwdriver. A drill in the proper context. It's a beautiful thing. In the improper context you can create some real damage with some of those tools. If you don't use them correctly go there. You go talk about improper tools. Did you see not to bring up news but did you see that Here about at that shooting in Texas of that Church Edmund. That was well first. Let me say this tragic has two men in the in. The congregation died but that shot that security officer made was unbelievable. I mean not only was the obviously caring but he was. Well well-trained. Yeah I mean. He flinched. Because that's human reaction. Nature drew as drew his firearm engaged. Took one shot. Uh Shot that guy right in the head dropped him. And then continued to advance to to neutralize the threat which had already been neutralized by that point but holy holy cow. That was very very impressive and I commend him and there was like seven other people. Who if you looked at that video? All drew their firearms terms and went over to react as well. This guy picked the wrong church to mess with totally like multiple people approached with handguns. And what was impressive in. I don't know I mean from the video and I think I don't know if it's accurate. Is this just regurgitated information. But he was roughly twenty five to thirty feet is what I heard which which anybody that's ever shot a handgun. Being accurate. Fifteen feet is is tough accurate at thirty holy crap like that is pretty impressive especially due to the situation and I'm sure his a adrenaline pumping and everything. It was like. Yeah people people running around. I mean it was yeah. It was really impressive and and I think it's good. I think that's one less evil individual in the world rolled and one more wakeup call to those would be terrorists who might think twice about doing what that guy did did because of the consequences that they may face. That's why everybody needs to carry out the right to carry. Yeah all right Chris Burke what are the best ways to open up to other men. I've been on one heck of an introvert for the past decade and I have lost. Any submits semblance. I don't even know that word Chris Blitz semblance of a brand a band of brothers in my life. I've started playing rugby again with a great group of guys but I'm finding it difficult call to develop those relationships. Yeah because guys don't connect like that right so if you're talking about opening up to individuals to men specifically Wrigley it's GonNa come across probably as weird or awkward. A lot of guys aren't familiar with it or comfortable with it but there are some that are so. I think you're doing it right. You're talking about about rugby I think any sort of activity that involves physicality that involves competition that involves a common enemy in this case aced the other team. And you're working towards a common pursuit which is to win score. I think that's a really great way for men to bond together to connect act to to figure out who they like and who who. Maybe they don't in who they relate with and who they don't just keep doing that. That's a very good thing. And then over over time you'll start to develop a deeper bond with some of them over others and Stephen Mansfield talked about this years ago. I had him on the podcast. And we've developed a friendship unshipped. He said you don't WanNa like bombard men with questions that get them to open up because again it's like Whoa. This is weird. Carr's guys aren't good at this. So you just put feelers out right so you can talk about if it's you and I and we're training at the same gym. Hey Kip I really. I appreciate it. You know like getting role with you or whatever like I just read this new book. It's really cool like are you. Do you like to read. Yeah I do like Oh cool. What are some of your favorite books right now? I know what you're interested in right. I would also invite you over into a into a group setting so it's not again awkward because if I'm like hey dude you wanna go hang out with grab coffee and talks like a date right so instead put together a fight night right so now now you have a couple of guy. Hey got fight night paper views on. We've got three or four guys. Hey Kip I don't know what you have going on Saturday night but I've got like three or four guys coming over. Were just doing you in fight night. If you WANNA come over bring some drinks and some chips or whatever like come over and hang out with us. This is a good way to get these guys with bald an interconnected with each other and then again putting those feelers. There's out about books. Let's say you've read a common book. Ask Hey what did you think about that. What what did you like about that? Or what did you implement in your life and you do. This gradually over time. Then you start to develop deeper friendships and bonds with people and eventually at some point you'll get to the place where you can say. Hey man you know what like I know. We haven't really talked much. Came over for five nights. We read some of the same books. I wanted to ask you a question. Like I've noticed that your business seems to be doing very well and Kinda struggle my business. Do you have any pointers now. You appeal to going back to maybe ego. But certainly they're their pride a little bit as you go to that pride and and you ask that that person for advice you're going to feel good about that right and you're certainly going to open up about that so it's a way to be to express some things that you might need to be dealing with or or or work on and also play into that person's desire to to lead and to serve to help and I think he just do this gradually over time introducing these little conversations and questions. Delay thing I'd add is sometimes you have to establish relationships with these guys and it may take some wile Weil and in that when I say established relationships. That's playing rugby. That's rolling with guys. Like if I went to to y Jim and I just started started training and after a week after training and sparring I started like opening up and questions. It would be awkward. Why because the guys don't know me yet they're looking it? Isn't that right exactly. There's no trust established. We don't know where we stand with each other. We don't know each other they don't respect you. You don't respect them. But I do that now with anybody that I trained with. We know each other. Ironically without ever talking we learn what kind of grit each other's half. What what kind of perseverance we have we learn these aspects about each other so now what I go ask a question? There's already respect established and now we can talk about other do things. It's it's the guy it's what we do right work shoulder to shoulder. We gain respect with one another through trial and then those conversations can happen happen it just may take some time. I've just found that asking for help is the best way to do it. Because you're GONNA find out pretty quickly if you ask for help if this person Jason is somebody who's who's cool frankly he's addict or an asshole take all right cool next. But if but if I say like I was ju the jets who for example last night and one of the guys. I was rolling with Jeremy he he had he used a sweep on me and we just kept rolling through it and everything else alson. He got me with that same. Sweep two or three times and at the end of the session. I said hey like you kept doing sweep. What were you doing? And he's like Oh. Let me show you you showed me was so simple but I didn't know so he showed it to me like perfect. Thank you and and I know Jeremy but had I not known him. I still would have asked that question. I would would have found out really quickly if this is somebody who's interested in at least having some dialogue so asking a question and asking for help is a great way to put yourself out there and and start to identify those who are interested in leading and coaching and having at least conversation let alone a relationship I think some of the most in depth conversations I've ever had ad is after an hour of open matt laying on the Mat exhausted and sweating and then someone goes gone. How things are going okay and then we just start talking? What about other stuff but required? That's a great point it after it. Yeah great point too. Is You have to go. I sometimes yeah right right. Because if you're all sitting there after training and you're laying there and everybody's like hey how's it going. You're like oh good. Yeah it's been good busy. You gave yourself no no opportunity to open up as but on the other hand if you say yeah man things are really good. I you know my business actually just kind of struggling right now because we lost. It's like our biggest client last year and it's hard because we're moving into the new year. Okay well now you're opening yourself up to get some feedback and seeing who's interested some some guys are gonna be like cool whatever that's fine and other guys are going to be like. Oh you know what like actually went through that same problem two years ago and it was. I hear you. Man is a real struggle. Okay okay now. I just identified somebody who I could potentially build a deeper relationship with all right. John D'Amico same question as last week. Sorry John Apparently even answer your question. I'm between two JU. Jitsu gyms in my area one excels at building communities the other structure and tech technique for someone just getting into it. What is the better option? My goals are to connect with other men but also learned quality. Ju Jitsu well I think you I think the fact that you asked the answered the second part of that by saying you know my my objective of my objective is both really. Yeah so I guess what I would say is is. I'm trying to think about how to answer this. Put It on a sliding scale all right so you have like rotary community on a scale from one to ten and let's say the one jim is like an eight and then you have technique and and and structure and maybe they're like six game now you have the other gym and their technique and structure is is is a nine but their community is like a two then. I'M GONNA pick the first one. Yeah because if you want you want community you want Brotherhood you want connection with other men. I think the difference between going to a gym that has six technique versus a nine with technique. But you get the community unity. Rafter is going to be a better experience for you now. I'm saying that as somebody WHO's new into this world. I don't know if you would agree with that. KIP But I would kind of look at that. There's a sliding scale and then weighing it and seeing like which one stacks up for what you're trying to accomplish. Yeah I totally I agree. The only thing is how do you know the the one with great technique doesn't excel at community if you're not part of that community quite yet and the reason I say that is I would say the gym that I train. At at first glance you would assume that we're not a tight tight knit community but the reality is we're very tight but for outsiders I coming in. It doesn't feel that way so we may not be as welcoming and it may take a while Gal but I would say that community certainly exists. And it's really powerful but I don't think people showing up would see that initially so I don't know it's Kinda tough tough. This is a good point. This is something that we run across in our church organization. I'm sure you run into this as well. So you have new people come to church and I've heard people complain like Oh our ward like there aren't very welcoming they didn't they defend us or go out of their way to like welcome us. My question is what did you do. What did you do? Put yourself in there. Because it's not their job to accept you should they. Yeah proudly like they should probably be more friendly and more open and more or inviting. Same thing with the Jujitsu Jim. It's scary to go into a gym the first time. I know it's not comfortable. So if if you own a gym then please hear me. It's not comfortable. Think back to when you very first started and try to create an environment that fosters welcoming to new members like when new guys come in our first I introduced myself. Go Up. Shake their hand on my have seen him before he trained here. You train somewhere else. How long you been training because I know how stupid you feel when you go in there? Yeah totally but that being said if you also as the Newbie you have a part to play in it and the part that you have to play is it's yours requirement and obligation if you want to go into somebody else's space whether it's the gym or our Church or wherever it's your obligation to assimilate to them not them to accommodate and assimilate to you so you have an equal if not more part to play a in putting yourself in the environment going in and shaking people's hands. It's just as easy for somebody to like me as a Newbie to go into a gym introduce myself to the guy sitting there as it is for him to introduce himself to me. Yep So why. Can't I take a little bit more of an assertive approach. And just say hey man like how. Have you been training here for very long. This is my first day here. Can you kind of walk me around a little bit. Like what are what are we need to be doing right now again. You appeal to that person's desire to lead into teach into train which most guys I feel would be pretty open to that and and I think you have a lot more success if you're more assertive about you going going into it and feeling like you're the one that has the obligation to assimilate not the other way around totally totally all right talking about Jitsu. Clint it means He started training actually at Saks at my gym. Yeah Oh yeah yeah. Yeah totally funny. Any tips on stepping into the new working environment. Where you feel everyone else working there is well above your skill level? I'm struggling with moving into a new shop. which is full of amazing guys who who I feel like who I feel work way above my skill level? I was asked to join them. which makes me feel like they see something good in my work in my work ethics? This is like going from a slightly above average high school sports team to straight to plain pro in my eyes so I think this is a mindset issue. I actually saw this question before we started and I really liked the question but I think it's a mindset issue. I think what you're looking at now is how am I going to be. How am I GONNA FIT in? How am I gonNa make myself known and all of this is creating some added pressure to your situation when instead the mindset should be good all these guys are better than me? That means that I'm going to get to level up. Not that I have to. But I'm going to have the opportunity to learn and grow and and pick up new techniques because he's a he's a tattoo artist correct. Yes yes so. PICK UP NEW TECHNIQUES and learn new to how to use new tools and new strategies allergies like this is all very positive thing. Now it's uncomfortable because you feel like maybe you're not there yet but what I would do is just take it in stride just realized that you are in an environment. That's going to help you grow and excel and maybe it's uncomfortable now but that means that you are going to grow and excel. Push yourself outside of what you're used to and then just take it in stride. What do I need to learn next? Okay I need to learn how to work on shading a little bit better or I need to work on the. I don't don't even know tattooing. But like like the strokes or the pressure that I use a needle like people are like what the hell's he talked about. I don't have any cats US guys. Sorry I don't even know if I've even embiid into a tattoo shop or parlor whatever the hell yeah but just figure okay. What's the next skill set? I need to learn and then ask ask questions. I'm telling you guys like if there's a theme in this podcast over the last twenty minutes just ask questions the more without being annoying right and you know everybody knows. Maybe you're being a little annoying but but ask good questions about how to grow how to expand how to use a certain technique people are more than willing willing to share it and if they've invited you to the environment guess what they want you to come up to their level they see something in you unrealized potential. Now they want you to come to the level and they're probably probably okay with investing in in you otherwise they wouldn't invited you so take it in stride ask good questions have the mindset. This is a very very very good opportunity for you. Yeah and if you're not willing to ask questions that goes back to Robert's initial question where okay egos playing a part that is negative a AH perjury. Go and check a little bit one example of this and I don't know why this came to mind so I'm assuming you're still a forty niners fan. Is that accurate. No no no talking about from from my guess from well you mentioned that a couple like I think it was last week that we didn't know any better it regardless one of one of my favorite stories is Steve Young Steve Young arguably one of the one of the top quarterbacks of all time in the NFL down and he was underneath or stuck second-string. In fact I think originally he was like four string behind Joe Montana Joe Joe Montana imagine that yeah now could have Joe. Could Steve Eat mmediately go ego like no. I'm going to another team. Where am I actually going to get some playing time? But he put his ego in check. He learned everything. There was to learn while training with Joe Montana and and and then arguably became the quarterback he ended up becoming in the NFL. Like that's a prime example of taking advantage of opportunity. I'm sure at at least the conversations that I've heard him have. He had to put his ego in. Check that this was a really multiple times. He planned to quit in fact. If I remember the story correctly actually he was actually planning on leaving the forty niners and he was on an airplane sat by some old man and and they were talking any ended up kind of opening up with him about complain about never getting playing time and the old guy like spoke to Joe Steve Steve Young and said what a great opportunity opportunity you have to train underneath one of the greatest and they kind of put him in check and he's like yeah. What am I complaining about? And then he made his focus on learning in from him and becoming better and taking advantage of the opportunity versus complaining that he wasn't getting any playing time so yep yep to a AH about the time that Steve Young started playing. I started playing starting for the forty niners is about the time of kind of like I don't know if I started chasing girls or got interested. I in other things. And so like all my lock combinations used to be forty-nine sixteen was His his number right and I think Jerry Rice was eight. Maybe so it was like all my lock combinations. Like forty nine sixteen sixteen eighty eight eighty eight forty nine like all the garage combinations if you ever wanted to steal my bike just put in some combination of Joe Montana's number and forty-nine and figure out a way to get it. Hopefully that's not what you're using for your your pin number on your bank account or anything. I can neither confirm nor deny all right that Wilson and when you started order of man how did you handle the daily transitions between order man in financial planning. I currently work fulltime while also having a side business I work work on my business in the early mornings and after my day job I often find myself thinking too much about my side business while at my day. Job In you tips on handling this situation. I I don't have any tips that's natural you know and that's probably a good thing is that you tend to it's a grind and the fact that you're thinking more about your side job is is that's healthy like there's nothing actually wrong with that that just means that it's exciting engaging to you and you found value in what you're doing and because you're thinking about it you're going implement new strategies and new initiatives that are going to help that eventually. Take over your your fulltime work and I was doing the same thing I would start. Ah at it seems like I would start at like five or six in the morning and work for two hours on order of man and then I would spend a little time with my family. Do the breakfast and scripture. You're studying things like that And then I would get ready for work. Go in do my day job. which was the financial planning? I'd come home about five. Thirty six o'clock doc. Put a couple of hours with a family and then I would go back and work for two more hours on order of man stuff now for me in all fairness I I had the luxury of owning my own financial planning firm so I had a lot of freedom with my schedule and flexibility and it just gradually gradually the order of man stuff gradually started just consuming more and more of my planning time. I had that luxury I realize a lot of other people don't have that opportunity like they've got a nine to five. They're working for somebody else. They've got a punch in and punch out when they're punched in they've got to be working ineffective for that organization. So I would just make maximum use of my pre work time after work time and break time that you have as well so if it were me I wouldn't be taking lunch breaks. I'd bring something from home. Throw the microwave for thirty seconds. Eat It while I was working on order. A man stuff. That's what I would do. Because that's what it requires requires all right Chase Carmichael best strategies for keeping your personal goals objectives and tasks paramount mount with other competing goals and challenges icy or Iron Council were family faith Sabbath when time becomes a limiting factor. Well they're not competing heating like that's the thing that you have to wrap your head around their complementary so yes you are going to have to take time for workouts workouts for example and yes technically. That's time you could be spending with your family but working out makes you a better husband. It makes makes you a better father. So they're not competing they're complementary so the question is not. How do you do with these conflicting objectives? But how do you coordinate them. In a way that's going to produce maximum results so if you're spending three hours at the gym every day and that's coming at the expense offensive your work or family time yes. Something's off something's wrong with that. Probably right if you're taking forty five minutes or an hour every day and doing it before the kids are awake because that you need to do it so you can be engaged with them and then go to work okay. Well that's healthy now you've coordinated them in a way that works and is effective for your grand strategy which is to become the best version of yourself so stop looking at it thinking. Oh this competes with this and then this competes with this no when when you have these healthy goals and objectives. It's not that getting in shape for example is only helping you get in shape. No it's helping you be a more engaged. Gauged father a more engaged husband. You have more energy for work and your workload is if a greater capacity for for a bigger workload because as you have the more More Energy and efficiency. So they're all working together and all of these little moving parts are just part of the grand scheme of things and and you're not gonNA make a decision in a vacuum so if you're trying to improve in the gym that's going to have a positive impact on everything else. You're you're GONNA sleep better. Which means you're going to be more rested for the morning? You're going to have more energy so you can play with the kids and then you're not going to be exhausted at work so you can and get actually more done at work with fewer hours. This all works together harmoniously perfectly. You just have to make your decisions and make sure when you're weighing thing where you're spending your time that you're not so heavily weighted in one over the other at the expense of that other thing. If I'm going to be training for three hours a day that's not gonNa work for for me. One hour will work for me but not three hours because of other things to do and get accomplished. Yeah and I think there's a flip to this. Where if there's not a balance then they can affect each other in a negative way? Right course yeah. I mean if you're not focused on family and your objective of his work work work and working out or in yourself and you let that fall to pieces and your family life starts falling apart. Guess what your work. Productivity is going to go down and other things are go down so that balance is super important. I've seen this multiple times in the icy where someone's like. Oh I'm double down my my objectives quarter on work because has everything's fine at home. Guess what into the quarter. Things aren't fine at home. No Shit right like seriously. The balance is super important in to prevent as well as to promote and make things better. I would add one. Other thing to Kip. Is this idea and concept of presence. You have to be very present in the moment now. Usually when you hear people talk about that. They're talking about in the context of being with people right. So if your with your kids be present for your kids. Yes I agree. What I'm talking about is presence in any given moment that you happen to be in so for example sample you and me? Are doing this podcast right now. I'm not checking my phone. I'm not checking emails. I'm not texting with my wife about like what's for lunch or what we're doing is afternoon afternoon. I'm fully engaged here in this moment. Okay when I'm at the gym. I'm not dinking around like taking selfies of my ass in in the mirror and in talking to people like that was the one thing that I wanted to cross it. People always ask me. Oh are you tired like you're not very social no man. I'm here to work out like this is not my social time. Hi I'm here to kick ass for the next forty five minutes and then we can talk later tonight when you guys are coming over member how you you and your family are coming over. We'll talk then right now now. I'm working at work. People say hey do you have time you WANNA go out for lunch and you know. I don't want to go out for lunch. I want to stay here and I want to do my work and I'm going to do it as effectively and efficiently as possible because I'm fully engaged for example in emails like it's it's completely possible and probably encouraged to be engaged with even emails like for the next hour so over the past week or so. I really got behind him my emails because I took the time off off for during the holidays and my email was was crazy yesterday. I took an hour and I turned off my I learned alerts. I didn't do anything else like my kids weren't in here bouncing on me and I wasn't worried about. The podcast. took an hour like emails all. I'm doing emails super-efficient super-efficient super effective got them cleaned out. Good to go now. I can move onto the next thing so be very present in the moment because otherwise you're you're wasting opportunities. You're wasting time. I'LL GIVE YOU A. I'll give you one. That's a lot of people do including myself as like if you're on your phone in the bathroom you're spending an extra twenty thirty minutes while you're doing your business but you're on your phone go and do your business and get out and get back to your thing and you just freed up twenty minutes that you were wasted. Because you're playing games or check into socials while you're taking a dump like just do your thing be present with that thing and then go on to your other activities. Yeah it's that whole statistical evidence of this right we. There's no such thing as multitasking. It's called jumping between tasks and thought process us back and forth highly ineffective in one thing that I would like to suggest is anyone who's ever presented in a meeting or maintain or manage to team. Imagine imagine how much quicker and effective you would be if everyone did not check email checking their laptops doing other work and complain on their phones during a meeting you get out of those meetings twice like half the time right or the meeting even important ask yourself that like should should we even have this meeting totally. Yeah this is something I need to be better at because like you know you even called us out on this in on the leadership call. One time I think I think we we had a leadership team meeting in Iron Council. And you're like a really quick guys if you're going to be on this call like I get that. There's other conflicting schedules sometimes games. But if you can be present like one hundred percent present that is better for you. It's better for us and I remember that I'm thinking it's so true at like what do I need to do would adjust my schedule. So then that way when I do have that call with that individual or a had that meeting that I'm giving my full undivided attention so I can give it a one hundred percents. Whatever it is that I'm doing and I think we all did that? Our productivity would probably skyrocket. Well not only that but you're fulfillment as well and you're just general sense. Awesome worth because you wouldn't have guilt about the way you're performing so I know for example when I'm not fully present with my kids after the fact I go back and review and I'm like Oh man I just like kids wanted to wrestle and I was so worried about e mails and then how all this guilt about it and then and then then it creates problems right the same something with work. If I'm dinking around and not doing what I should be doing and I'm working but not really working then. There's guilt because I didn't get my work done on. A few can be fully present in the moments that you're in. That guilt is just going to go away. And you're going to be so much more confident so much more fulfilled and effective essentially. There's a there's a thing that I heard. I think it was from Tim. Ferriss he talks about. I think it's Tim Ferriss the or maybe it was cal Newport because he talks about deep work. Maybe there's a lot it was it was this guy reason. What was I thinking? Of course it was you talking about the well since it was you. Why don't you go ahead and tell US would've no it's okay? I don't like myself a talking about the time lost in transferring between tasks so when you transfer from tasked attached to task task it. It takes you a lot longer to rev out of a previous task and up to a new task versus that's why task stacking blocking is so valuable. That's why if I take an hour. Get all my emails done if I spread it out over the course of eight to ten hours. I probably won't get them all done and I won't get a lot of other things done as well totally yet. There is a survey actually at Microsoft for developers. It took fifteen minutes so once they were in work to reconnect connect to doing deep work like programming. If there is an interruption it was another fifteen minute ramp to get back to where they were will and it's not just fifteen minutes knits. It's fifteen minutes because they stopped and they did something else. It's fifteen minutes to start back up. So that's thirty minutes on one task transfer you think about that. Over a course of five six transfers ten dozen transfers per day. That's a lot wasted. Time totally could potentially be three four five hours of inefficient work. Now you might still be working but it's inefficient work at half your day more than half your days any efficient. Yeah and you guys listening at work in offices. How often do you work on a task and you get an email and you go check your email right right? Tapie comes in and says hey kit like just quick question. Yep Yep totally get headphones if I am a headphones on don't bother me number two closer Israel until you have your schedule time to check your email like there's all kinds of good strategies here. Yeah that could quote myself about but you know. Maybe we'll see that the time. Yeah look for like a really important lesson that we want to share at some point yes Travis Para how do you find a band of brothers in person without going to places like bars and sporting events go where were where else they are. You know. They're at the gym. They're they're playing basketball. Skit ball there at the library there in your office there at the cafe. They're everywhere they're everywhere. I don't think this is i. Don't think this is an issue. If you're just a little bit more intentional about where people are just go where people are and also. Here's another strategy if you're new to when area and I did a podcast on this. How thrive in a new area? I think it was a couple of months ago. Maybe actually it was when I moved here. Which is why did it? If if you don't know that many people just go with the person that you know. Let's say you know one person just A. Hey kip like I'm new to the area if you happen to like go now. They're buddies Rodak every mind if I tag along you're not gonNa that's GonNa bother you but again you have to ask questions you have to put yourself out there. You have to be assertive and that's going to be feel awkward awkward awkward and uncomfortable. But you do it anyways because it's important to you and you want to meet people in a new environment so look to your office space look to existing friendships friendships. Because they have circles that you don't belong to that you potentially get involved with Go train go to the weight room or the Jim. This is where these these people are. Go all right jake Maddox who by the way hold on. I'm GONNA go back. I've never let me back up. It's probably been twenty years since I went to a bar like I don't even know if I've ever gone to a bar and I don't go very very view sporting events except for my children's so and I don't have a problem meeting anybody and you just you gotta be intentional about copy all right jake. Paddock's who inspired you as a young adult high school years. What was is it about that person that resonated with you? The one that immediately comes to mind is a gentleman by the name of Matt Labrum. He was my high school football coach and baseball coach. In fact at one point this was after. I'd left Highschool Coach for football baseball and basketball. So he was is very very involved with the young men and the youth and the reason that he inspired me so much is because he somebody that I looked up to as an athlete he was a great athlete and he was very knowledgeable in the skill set in sports but uh he always held to task. And that's what I really admired respected about him. He wasn't so consumed with trying to win us over. Be Our buddy. He was worried about being our coach in using the sport of football and baseball in my case as a metaphor for life so he never took it easy on us in fact he was rough with us and a lot of ways not physically but rough on US tough on us is probably a better way to say it because he knew what we were capable of and and he always seemed like to me new his role in developing and growing us. Now what was interesting is when I was in high school. He was fairly young fairly new out of college and he was fairly new teacher and new coach and even we even talk now that he's been on the podcast. He talks a lot about his immaturity in those days when he was coaching us. And you can see it even now because I got to speak to baseball team earlier here this year. Yeah Things earlier this year Coaching Still Coaching J. Yes I'm still coaching. And you could see his level of maturity but you could also also see a lot of the same ways that he engaged and as as I was talking with his team I was telling stories as me and another friend Wayne. McIntosh we're talking about stories from twenty years ago and the baseball team would laugh because it was the same stories they knew there was the same thing in the same way ways the Senate and the same things that he did with them as their coach so yeah. He was really inspirational specialties. I didn't have permanent father figure I had my Stepdad and my life at that point but yeah Matt is somebody that I really admire and respect and I always have for the past twenty two years now I think is when I met him twenty two years ago. Yeah that's cool mine would probably be one of my older brothers. So I'm I'm actually the youngest first of nine kids and I are you serious. I didn't know that yeah and I have five older brothers and know that about you. Yeah I'm the baby but now I had an older brother that was just Well I'll let me just tell this story you about him. This kind of set the precedence so I found this out later and it completely makes sense because this is how he interacted with me But when he he was younger we kind of had a father that was disconnected from us. My parents never got divorced but I I live with my father the majority of my life and and my brother decided when he was probably in his early teens that he didn't like how that felt and that he was going to use being an older brother to me and the brother just Three years older than me that he was going to use his relationship. What the two of us to prepare himself for fatherhood And that was his mindset and so for the remainder of my life growing up he was kind of the equivalent of what I always thought a father would be like. He was tough off on me. Sometimes he encouraged me to work out. He helped me think a business idea like he was constantly coaching me as an older brother and he really lean and he did that from the perspective of. Hey I WANNA make sure. I'm going to a good dad when I get older. And saw many use KIP as a Guinea pig to help me figure it out right and I was also offers project. And so obviously I have huge respect for him and how he kinda showed up and the role that he didn't have to play in my life but he chose to and benefited him. And I think obviously benefited me as well. So how much older is he than you. He is roughly ten years older than I am. Okay so yeah so you what six seven years old then is that what you're saying when he kind of took over that role Yup Yup exactly. He's always he's always I've always he's dealt like he was in that role in probably until matter. No maybe the last ten years. I've kind of been that role for me. So and he was ever and it wasn't like it was buddy but it was hold me accountable and responsible the same time you did a great job. Yeah I think well I think there's some commonalities in our story in that especially you're talking about buddy like you're not there to be a buddy right and there's there's nobody that I that I would look to stay on inspired by that. Because by that guy. Because he's my buddy now. Do I happen to be friends with some of these individuals. Of course there's people have inspired by him motivated by that. I'm friends with but but buddies doesn't define the relationship the fact that this is somebody who can speak truth a to me who can tell me hard things who can call me out. Who Cares about me but still is mentally tough enough to have difficult conversations nations? Those are the things I admire. And if those were the things that we admire and respect then it's safe to say that maybe we ought to be that to other individuals. In fact I think men we have a moral obligation to be that for our children and also for those who don't have this guidance and direction. It's a big part of what we're doing here. It's a big part of legacy. That's a big part of the reason that I coach youth sports because I have a moral obligation. Whether there's a father in these kids picture or not not I have a moral obligation to quote unquote father. These children one of the interesting questions I got this was a couple of weeks ago. was talking about This gentleman had a soon to be son-in-law and he was asking like the sun was kind of off off-track and he wasn't real excited about him marrying his daughter and he was like. How should I treat this? I'm like that's your son Dude. That's your son whether you like him or not whether she likes him. That's now your son so you need to be a father to him and teach him guide him in instruct him and coach him to the degree that you can he might really appreciate that and respect that and not only. Is it going to serve him. It's GonNa serve your daughter which is who you care about as well so so father. We need to be better job at fathering. Not only in the walls of our home but community as well. Now I like all right Allan Placer for both both of you. What made you decide to jump past your fear into your current successes? Would you say you were a sovereign man before you made the leap or after. What read that first part of that question again? Yeah what made you decide to jump pasture fear ear into your current success. Would you say you were a sovereign man before you made the leap or after me. I don't think there's this this big barrier theater that had a sovereign right I. I just don't think there was this thing. Run my com so frayed and like how do I do this. One day. I just jumped into the unknown and uncertainty. I don't I don't think like that. I think I had aspirations and things I wanted to do. And things I wanted to accomplish ensure there was some probably fear that kept me from doing that but I'm not sure how aware of that fear was. It was more just. Hey I want to do this and if if I want to do this I'm just GonNa take one small step. I think we actually talked about this on the podcast last week. It wasn't a leap. It was just step right one little step one little. We'll step one little step and then before you know it you turn around and realize man you've taken a lot of steps and you've covered a lot of distance in that timeframe but it wasn't as big huge judge leap into the unknown to face. The demons that were my fears now wasn't like that it just wasn't as grand as that. It's not as sexy as that. Yeah As far as being Auburn I definitely have more sovereignty in my life through the process of taking action action. So I used to be. I would say significantly more passive in my life where I kind of let things happen in the environment was what it was and and I was at the mercy of my wife and my boss and the economy and just about every outside factor. The more that I've learned to make certain choices is in decisions the more sovereignty that I've captured and reclaimed for myself so to answer the question. I I'm more sovereign now. After after the fact that I was before it's it's a it's a active process is not a decision decisions not enough it has to to have action behind it. Yeah and I don't know about you but I feel like I'm I'm constantly seeking sovereignty right like it. You know I fall into being bulldozed or being passive and it's it's it's almost like integrity rights like you're constantly fighting to have integrity you need to restore store your integrity you then have integrity and it's like a never ending process and so I think for me. Sovereignty the natural tendencies of being human are are in conflict with being sovereign and so I'm constantly battling on maintaining that so I don't know if it's I wanna even feel comfortable saying I am damn sovereign I seek to be. I'm on that path but I struggle and I have to push back and I have to constantly fight for it would you would you. Is that the same mm for you yeah. I agree with that. I think sovereignty is something that needs to be earned. I think it's like I said earlier. It's a very active process and I'm constantly a little bit to your point but a little bit differently weighing my actions against the idea of sovereignty frontier so for example. I don't drink right. Yeah right like I don't drink alcohol now. Some guys will say well. Alcohol is not bad. I don't care what you think. It doesn't move me towards my my sovereignty in fact. It hinders limits my sovereignty because it affects an altered my mind and it it messes with me in a way that that takes away my power authority over myself like isn't that kind of the point of drinking till yeah totally so control right same thing with certain foods now. Look I'm not telling you I've got other stuff figured out but if I can soon bunch of food and junk food food and garbage and I put it into my body limits my sovereignty because I'm going to carry around extra weight and then I don't have as much energy. Maybe I'm not as strong because I'm not working out and so if if something happens and I'm dangerous situation than like I can't act and I've limited my sovereignty because a chosen to partake in foods and activities that hinder me not helped me so. I'm very very aware of what's going to help me be more more free to the point where I drive my own car wherever I go I drive like I don't go with other people because if I go with other people bowl it and I'm not saying that people have like ill-intentions or whatever but if I go somebody else. Sovereignty is hindered. If we're going somewhere I will drive if if you want to drive to them. We drive separate cars but I want the option of being able to leave or go somewhere else or do something else because I want to. I want to maintain that control over my life to the point where the vehicles things like that It's good it's it's interesting and I know this isn't I mean. Alan assumed that it was sovereignty. Right that was kind of a leap and I know this is a little bit different but For me though there seemed to be a major shift in my life when I took ownership though when there was a moment in life where I realized my. Life's the current state of affairs in my life where I was at the moment the hardships in my marriage the where was employment. All these other things was one hundred percent mind responsibility and results of my own actions when I and that was was a kind of a defining moment or a time for me and so it does feel like leap where there's like a switch hit and I went holy crap is almost like a bad joke and I thought I'm responsible for this. No one else is to blame and that was a major. Changing point wasn't sovereignty per se. I guess it's kind of a form of sovereignty but it was really just just me coming to the realization that my life was in the current state. It was because of my own actions like that and I actually agree with that and have had a similar experience events in my life and it wasn't sovereignty. I wasn't aware of the concept of sovereignty. Yeah you say it was when my wife and I we went through our separation and I remember thinking to myself man. This marriage is over like it's over. That was the first time I thought that our marriage was over. We were separated and at that point this is over and simultaneously thinking thing. Okay well I'm just going to be the best catch for the next woman to come into my life. And that's where I started working on myself and taking ownership. I've been looking at where I failed in the marriage up to that point fast forward. You know it's worked out but That was a defining moment. For me I started recapturing reclaim some of the sovereignty. That blood slipped through my fingers by blaming it on my wife blaming it on the economy blaming my my business on the firm I was working with breath etc etc.. Yeah I think it's safe to say there is no sovereignty where you are a victim period right or where. There's snow responsibility whether it's because you don't have responsibility or because you voluntarily gave it away. You can't have sovereignty and not also have responsibility like the they're married they're coupled responsibility is goes hand in hand with sovereignty so if you get rid of responsibility for example in the in the trivial little example I just gave you of letting somebody else drive than you are by default because you gave somebody else responsibility limiting some of your sovereignty now in in some cases it's okay it's okay right in other cases it's not and you just need to be aware of which one's which one's you need to maintain that responsibility shame name Bobby. GIOVANE GIOVANNA VIC. I did it bobby you did. I have caught some of your recent posts on instagram in regards tatum religion. That's at Ryan McClure by the way on instagram or twitter. Have how have to help you grow as a man and as a father. What what were the two faith? Religion Faith and religion. Yeah Faith and religion. Okay Yeah So. I'm trying to think about specific ways that it's helped me grow. I mean really just understanding that there's an internal perspective on life. That what I do here here in this moment is really about more than just this moment it goes on for eternity which helps me played a bigger scale right because there's responsibility there's accountability there's consequences not just in this life but eternal consequences both good and bad for the things that we do. That's been very valuable. Are you both for me And then also knowing that there's a plan right there's there's a plan there's a way to behave. There's a way to think there's a way to act and it will serve you. Well when you live that code the right things start happening. And and by the way that's not necessarily even a an exclusively spiritual thought can be a very secular thought as well when you do these behaviors. These these are the results that come from it right. I don't know if you can see this but I was gonNA turn my screen around. Can you see this window ray. Unless the door the whole night out the door. There's your pretty wallpaper. Hey we're almost there. I got seventy five percent of the way done. Can you see out this window right here. It's just all white us this this way. Yeah I have so much snow falling off the roof right now. It's like Oh come an author writing off sliding through. I saw that on your instagram. I'm assuming that's dangerous when this sheets of ice come flying down because they look Sharpton thin but they were thin those one of them hit me and my shoulder and it didn't but yeah like it's a big thick sheet of ice probably pretty dangerous. Wouldn't want to on that. One of them was pretty thick beard and just melt shattered. My beer just absorbed it. Yeah let's see so yes so faith. Yeah just having the code of conduct the standard by which I live my life that way I know. Okay these these beliefs and actions will produce these results. I want these results than all I have to do is behave this way. That's very nice. I just think I think that man we have we have a we have an operating manual for living a good life and being a good human being. So that's always been enough for me. You like when I when I when I was baptized people would ask me. Why did you get baptized man? I just looked at everything that the church stood for. I looked at everything or the people that I knew. Were members of the church. And it's all good. It's all good and now as always enough for me. There wasn't some magical scripture some special spiritual experience that had it was like these people are good. I WanNa be a good person therefore I want to do what these people do and evidence was good enough enough. Yeah I think and I'm assuming you agree Ryan. A great resource around. This subject is press fields book of manly men in in regards to religion and becoming a better man and and one of the things that he mentioned in that book that I thought was really profound and I loved and I wish I could remember the exact ex- scripture that he was referencing but but he but he shared a story within the Bible that talks about because a man was aware of his on her his honor her he made a decision and press field. Broke Down the translation of Anfield. I just want to clarify Mansfield. Mansfield what did I say. Press Press. `Field Yeah sorry. Just WanNa make sure no. That's good so the guy's you're gonNA look for that Book Dance Field. Who the hell's this guy? Yeah so so anyhow see how he talked about because he was aware of his his honor and he made these decisions and he broke that down and he and he talked about the translation of that word and it meant that he was aware of his divine nature And and I thought that was so profound. So the power of Sane that you are from a creator and in some cases as a father in heaven per se or a descendant of God if you WanNa use that term is divine that is a very powerful way of thinking and by default your potential is what is also divine unlimited. Yeah so so now what. What's our job live into it? Take advantage of of what's been presented to you right and that's possible for everyone and so I love that dot dot concept because it really inspires me and I think it might help a lot of people realize that that who how they become who they become in life could can't be divine and that is in in that as possible for all of us if we're willing to put in the work. I like that I just I also think it just gives you a perspective perspective on things like if you think about it in the eternal context the things that you get wrapped up in right now might might not be so important as you once thought they were which is a good thing because ninety percent of the things that we get wrapped up and don't matter at all and if you have that eternal perspective that may give you a new framework and idea of what is actually relevant and what is not relevant and focus on the five to ten percent of the things that actually are relevant. Yeah totally Dylan back. How do you see people who are religious at all? I understand that religious beliefs and believing in a higher power. Many the of my friends are very religious. But I can't bring myself to commit to it. I want to be my own leader Bozo. The asking what I think. Think about that or other things about him. Yeah how do you see people that aren't religious. He didn't ask this question but I. I'm assuming you want to respond to the idea that by being part of a religion that it limits you from being your own leader because yeah definitely address that yeah. I know plenty of people who who wouldn't consider themselves religious and I think they're wonderful. People religion to me is above and beyond the spirituality. Let's just talk about this for a second above and beyond the divine nature the spirituality that we're talking about religion is a code of conduct holidays to set of principles that you use that you've voluntarily voluntarily decide to assume an en- live in accordance with that you believe will help you live a more fulfilling rewarding profitable life can non on religious people have code of conduct. Yeah in fact most of them do all of them. Do I made a post on instagram. Even because people like to say oh you're oh just religion is just indoctrinating you dude. We're all indoctrinated like you. You're telling me that you have a problem with organized religion yet you will spend in hundreds of thousands of dollars on quote unquote education in the school system for something that you may never use. You've no problem sending your skit your kids to school to two government schooling for six to eight hours a day. You sit here all day on your phone and you worship people. You don't even know on social media and you're telling telling me you're not indoctrinated somehow you can you're consumed an inundated with information from media and entertainment sources and everywhere else that this information comes from and you don't think you're indoctrinated we're all indoctrinated is just a matter of doctrine you decide to follow whether that's deliberately or unintentionally nationally every one of us is indoctrinated into something and we all worshiped something so I would just say a little bit more intentional about it for me. Religion is something thing that happens to keep me in line and keeps me on the track that I choose to choose to go which leads into the point of what he's talking about with. I choose to be my own leader just just because you follow a code of conduct does not mean that you aren't your own leader. You still have to follow that code. You've Ontario decided to follow it. You still have to make your choices individually each every day you still have your agent agency which is synonymous with sovereignty and you still have all of that. So religion doesn't doesn't absolve you re the responsibility of leading yourself and other people it just teaches you how to do it more effectively. It's all it is so look if somebody's not religious that's cool like I hope that they've found something that works for them and they lead a good life and they're effective even. They're doing all the things they want to do. And that their wildest dreams dreams come true just like I would hope that for religious person. I don't feel I don't feel like that person is bad or not moral. That's who wanNA hear a lot. People say well they're they don't have any morale moral principles. Sure sure they do. Yeah they're just based upon probably societies or their own version or something else or gods because whether you want to acknowledge it or not like. That's where morality comes from if you don't have to acknowledge it for it to be a moral code like it just is right. So Roger Taylor Taylor. The order of man. facebook group is a great resource that said one of the many benefits of iron council over and above the facebook group is the opportunity to have more in depth conversations about the topics covered in the podcast. What else would you describe the differences between the facebook group and the council discussions to the men who haven't yet up graded to the ICY? I would say focus in framework so we have a lot more focused discussions as opposed to. Let's just talk about anything thing in everything. No let's random focus on this and do a deep dive into what we're doing here so focused secondary framework in the facebook group. Not that there's anything wrong with it but there's no framework. It's like you post about that. And I comment on this in you post about that and then I comment on this. You get these many comments and that person gets that many comments and just kind of a free for all within reason within some parameters inside of the Iron Council there's a framework so there's assignments there's the challenges that we do. There's the battle team so guys are working together this month. We're talking all about competition and were tracking that and we're keeping score and were hold each other accountable and there's camaraderie. There's a lot more framework built around it so I would say those are the two biggest differentiating factors focus and framework. Yeah and and I think in the I see because you're part of a team and Dad Group is smaller obviously substantially Somali than the facebook group. It it becomes intimate right. You're you're you're having conversations with guys that you've kind of gain respect of you appreciate their opinion versus put it into do a group of sixty thousand guys on facebook and hoping that the right guy. I saw your post and gives you a great comment that might be beneficial right in the see. You're not gonNA put something out there and probably not get an amazing response. The probability of that is is super low so so well I think the caliber of men that are in Iron Council. If you were to look at the ratios will say because I'm not saying there isn't high-calibre men in the Facebook Book Group certainly are I. I can listen right off hand but in the Iron Council the ratio is better with an iron council because these guys have invested in being there so just the fact that them investing and being in the Iron Council is a qualifier for them being serious about their growth and helping other people. People do the same now again. That's not to say that there aren't high quality members of the facebook group. There certainly are but then you have other guys like their buddy invited him or they just saw or you. There are some people in there and we try to these guys out. WHO JUST WANNA be Dixon trolls and they just like kind of find themselves in there? So you're going to get more of that in the facebook group. As opposed to the to the Iron Council which is more focused and there's a barrier to entry and our apologies for those guys it is a little tough to moderate such a large group. So we're working on it you know we're working on it and you and I talked about this the other day is just getting some more moderators on there and getting a standard operating procedure about the way that that group is moderated so the right posts are getting approved. The incorrect posts are not getting approved. Comments are remaining civil and respectful. L. trolls are getting removed etc etc.. Yeah all right. Scott Short Meyer with with what seems like a dozen of competing priorities. This w-what process or questions. Do you ask yourself do you determine or discern the stack ranking of actions. What do I want? So what do I want to produce. and which activity is going to help me. Produce the most effectively do that one. Let's it stunt a complicated process and there's a lot of intuition that goes into it as well but the intuition also is developed over time right through doing the after action review and going through the process that we go through so. There's some intuitive thoughts that I have like. If I'm naming podcast for example intuitively. Yeah I know that one name might do better one title might do better than another title but the only reason that's intuitive is because I've spent a lot of time doing it and I've titled over five hundred podcast now right so but as far as priorities go what do I want to accomplish. This is why vision objectives are so important and then what. What is the thing the activity tactic? That's going to produce that result the most effectively the quickest the most powerful the most effectively. Yeah if you don't mind me add into that I I would even say that you could use Stephen Covey's four quadrants of priority as another way to to take the vision take take what Ryan just said and then add the classification type and so the four categories that Stephen Covey teaches in his book. Seven Habits of highly effective people is urgent urgent and important. So it's a fire and it's important not urgent and important so these would be long term like it's really important that this gets done on but it's not urgent at this moment but it needs to be addressed. Then you have not urgent and not important which you should probably stab that quadrant altogether And then you have urgent and not important and these are kind of social constructs that last one is often. It's someone walking up to you and distracting distracting you. It has a social construct of being urgent. But guess what it's not important and so it's really I think it's valuable to look at those sometimes because we realize how do you mitigate the urgent and important items is by taking care of the not urgent and important by plane a long-term game we start mitigating eating those fires that constantly eat up a lot of our time and so there can be some strategy around kind of classifying them and then planning accordingly. This is the issue that a lot of people have have with procrastination because if you procrastinate on the not urgent but important than they become important in the urgent and then you don't have the time Heimer mental capacity to do it correctly so plan out the non urgent and important and and work. Those over. Don't procrastinate so it doesn't become something that you're incapable of handling or if you are capable of handling do so to an inferior degree make make sure you cover that not urgent but important quadrant. Yeah and if you don't mind me I love this thought process and I. It was a few years ago that I realized this this is sometimes we cheat ourselves from learning. So let me give you an example. I push something off. I procrastinate in now it becomes urgent important and I have an option. I can stay up all night long and do it perfectly or I cannot do it. Well have an inferior product. It and get some sleep sometimes when we do that inferior product and we get some sleep. We didn't learn the lesson right right like when you honor your word right and I always do what I said I would do eventually. I'M GONNA learn what to say no because hey I'm gonna because you don't want to do that again asleep and everything else. But if I don't honor my word guess what I learn that lesson. I don't learn the lesson when when I'm out of integrity but if I'm lease in integrity I learned the lesson of establishing boundaries saying no sometimes being don't procrastinate procrastinate but when when it works and we kinda skin we provide a poor quality product. We we lose the opportunity to learn and grow. Well not only that. You actually encourage yourself to procrastinate in the future because it worked it worked out and you're like oh worried about that for two months but instead I worried about for two days and it actually worked. We'll do that next time to. This is also the reason that you have to have your kids experienced consequences because because if you don't give them consequences to their thing then they're going to keep doing the dumb mistake and yeah it's going to be easier for you in the short term because you don't have to discipline your children and nobody likes doing that but over the long term. It's going to be a nightmare when that kid turns sixteen and it has a little bit of controls on life and then not to mention they're gonNA get slaughtered in the real world because they never associated action with consequence out then the stakes just get higher and higher as they get older. Louis Yeah unwanted pregnancy loss of job bankruptcies. I mean there's medical issues. There's all kinds of things that that arise because of this all right we have two more questions is an ICU. Good with those. Yeah let's get those Trento. All Right Josh Hudler finding people with the same drive and ambition has been difficult in normal day to day life. How easy was it for you guys to find like minded men with the same ambition in the area that you live in? It's not easy. I moved to Maine to make it happen. It's not an easy thing you know. Somebody asked me about the other day on instagram. If if I moved to Maine to be closer to the guys with origin I'd be lying if I said that wasn't a factor identified Pete and Bryan as people that I appreciated that I admired respected and that was a consideration in the US being here. And it's it's it's been a good move because of that so it's not it's certainly not easy to find people who are like minded minded. That's why the Iron Council continues to do so. Well if it was easy to find like minded individuals there would be no need for the council so we created an environment we planted our flag and said hey guys this were meeting. If you're somebody WHO's inspired motivated wants to improve and get better than come meet us over here so I would say because you're in. The Iron Council used Iron Council but also find your regional channel and chapter within the Iron Council. So you can find is is in your area who subscribed Iron Council Way and that are in your area and you can meet face-to-face outside of that figure out where these guys would go. Where would would they go? Well they'd go to the gym they would go to business networking meetings because they're worried about growing their businesses Maybe church because they're worried worried about living a to code some sort of morality code. That's where these guys are GONNA go. That's where if you want to find them. You have to go where they are so start identifying where these individuals are. They're not in the bar. They're not getting drunk on Friday night right. They're they're doing their thing. They're doing productive things. Go Oh to those activities go to meet up DOT COM. Find something that you're interested in. Maybe it's hiking or photography your whatever and go go to those events you're gonNA find people who are interested. I did the same things you are. And obviously they had to search and meet up and and show a little initiative. So that's a good sign and just put yourself around those individuals and for you guys that travel. I've really enjoyed the few times where I've jumped in. The ICY looked up original channel and said Hey I'm going to be in the area and then a group of guys let's get together and we grab dinner like that is so cool so if you're one of those guys that travels a lot for work like ucse as as a way to connect with guys you know wherever you're traveling. ooh because they're everywhere everywhere man. We are taking over the world over the world. All right Paul Karen the third. How can we create more robust discussions around vision and calibration as there seems to be a lot of focus and attention to condition which is admittedly easier to to quantify yeah completely condition? quadrant is easy condition for those of you who may not know. Is Your physical health so blues body fat lose weight on the scale of dead. Lift a certain amount that that's easy right. He's at calibration. Yes Sir Yeah So. calibration is infinitely early more difficult. Because it's getting right with yourself. It's it's mental emotional and spiritual well-being that's what calibration is so how to have have more robust conversations about it that's the answer have conversations about it bring it up in your channels. Bring it up in. Your team's ask is what they're doing. when you are sharing or having some success in that quadrant the calibration caught quadrant. Share it with other individuals. Let them know what's working. Let them know what isn't working lead. Lead like take take this mantle upon yourself to have these types of discussions that maybe aren't being hat or had to the degree that you would like or the way in which you would like it. We have a lot a lot of opportunities here to really take on this this opportunity to serve yourself and serve other people by having these conversations but I do agree that Yes yes. It's the hardest one taking care of yourself. You know why it's hard to is because we have been conditioned talking about indoctrination from earlier earlier to believe that his men. We shouldn't serve ourselves right and anytime that you serve yourself. What are you labeled as toxic right if you go out and you do something for yourself like you go to the gym and you work out and get strong or you go on a hunt you leave your family and you go on a hunt to do something that's going to engage in uplifting to notify you then oh you're engaging toxic behavior so is it any wonder that we don't know how to take care of ourselves and then what ends up happening is as we serve other individuals at the expense of ourselves we drain right and we'd lose power and we lose energy and we lose effectiveness and then we can't serve those people as effectively as we'd like and then we get labeled as toxic? Yeah because we're bitter and resentful eventful and upset and angry and and because we didn't do the things to take care of herself so from from a young age where conditioned you know share. Make sure everybody else's happy you need to provide all of those things are true to to a degree but it should never come at the expense of your own well-being you you need to learn to take care of yourself your calibration quadrant so that you can more effectively serve yourself and also serve other people. Yeah and how unfair fair is it to give your sovereignty over to someone else and say hey by the way my happiness and how I feel today in and if I have a great day or not is dependent on you could blunt. Is that beneficial to your spouse to put that on them like. It's you've mentioned this numerous amorous times. It's flattering maybe at first and then it's just overbearing. Think about how exhausting that you're responsible for your own happiness and then everybody nobody else's happiness as well. Yeah that's exhausting. Don't you don't want that put upon you. Don't put it on other people. 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The Psychology of sex and sexual desire (NSFW)

The Emma Guns Show

2:06:20 hr | 1 year ago

The Psychology of sex and sexual desire (NSFW)

"Hello Hi and welcome. I am your host emigrant order. And in my nearly twenty-eight career as beauty and health writer I have interviewed a lot of people supermodels entrepreneurs authors celebrities and doctors and many of these conversations had a real impact on me. And I'd come away feeling inspired excited informs and really empowered and at the back of my mind always think. I wish I could just publish the tape so people could really feel that conversation. While on this podcast you get to feel the conversation. I talked with experts. Guest few friends who I hope will inspire inform and empower. Oh you and maybe it was a challenge. You whether you're looking for self help self improvement beauty advice. Health insights business know how what just good old-fashioned life advice in a bit of a layoff off. It's all hey welcome to the show. This episode of the podcast is one. I'm really excited about you. Hearing and that's because towards the end of last year I had a bit of a sit down a bit of a planning session. If you will about the kinds of conversations I wanted to have on the show in twenty twenty and I decided voted. I wanted to challenge myself. Speak to people. I've never spoken to you before about subjects. I know literally nothing about even tackled topics that are somewhat taboo. Obviously I do my research all the shows but I wanted to push the limits a bit for me but also for you my excellent listeners. So with that said I started listing the subjects. I was either a bit scared to cover. Didn't know really where to start with them or just felt really silly that I was so uninformed about them and Ben I set about finding the guests could help me with those topics and conversations on the Po cost to that end. My guest in this episode is Mazda Dominic a professional dominant and and yes by dominant. I mean professional sex worker. And for the avoidance of doubt. It's worth saying right at the top of the show. That dominates is legitimate and legal in the United Kingdom episode is not suitable for work. It is an S.. FW because in this wide ranging conversation we cover a lot of ground we really really do. But the thing I was is most interested about. Dominic was the psychology of understanding. Someone's deepest desires. That they may never have articulated before or may feel someone will laugh. Put them for saying Dominic has to be able to on the one hand make somebody feel incredibly comfortable and at ease saying what it is. They would like to have done to them and then on the other. The hand do that thing which means at times inflicting pain that in itself is a fascinating dynamic obviously is an understanding of human psyche key and human psychology that I was very fascinated with and is also an insight into customer service that I really wanted to pick. Also in this episode we discussed the misconceptions conceptions of how people get into sex work the realities of sex work and dominic talks at length about DSM and explains exactly what this is and it's not what you might have read in the fifty fifty shades of Grey books we talk about the safety and sex work or lack thereof. The effect porn has on the sexual all having an how to open up a dialogue with your partner about what you like and why wanting to try something different in inverted commas in the bedroom. Doesn't make you bad wrong or pervert. When I was researching this episode I kept coming back to the May west quote the quote reads? Those who are easily shocked should be shocked. More often kept coming back to it mainly because there were a couple of times when I wanted to hide right behind my in petticoats. But I'm glad that I pushed through. I have said this episode isn't suitable for work but I don't believe that it's gratuitously the are necessary unnecessarily explicit or shocking although there is swearing. I have put all the links to everything discussed in the show notes but without any further. Ado please join me in welcoming. Oh coming Mazda. Dominic onto the gun show Biz is a first glorious voice. I because I mean I'm not technically in the dungeon am I but I am with most dominic a professional professional dominant. And I have come to your place of were office chambers normally a fancy word that we all looked no. It's not in the lounge at the minimum. We were actually quite civilized and Nice but just through the his where all of the the NASTIES happened. When you call it now stays as awesome of? It's a bit nasty vaginal quite tame and quite sweet I'm shopping at the moment friendly Comfy Chair for me to songs it's lacking through. They're not front so so I can have my feet massaged. It's lacking some comfortable to sit now. Got Big bed at the back. But I've been known to nod off during massage but worship sessions and that's a good look when you're supposed to be being worshiped and the down this already going at it and oils and everything and it's lovely and they go. How's that so work? I think being upright is something I need through my name's Dachshund that this conversation was Asian will is likely because we haven't had it yet but is NSF w no suitable for work. Maybe play it in the car when the the school run. Because I mean I'm going to let you do a lot of the describing because it's what you do for living. What is your line of work? Jack how did you get into it. So a professional dominant other people will send US earlier. tricky language. The word that people know all all the time he's dominic tricks which is the female title technically the male version is dominant which is such a lanky. Word isn't isn't it dominates. It was like it should come with dome. You knew that like Lopiano behind you. I do have one slave who I may play the imperial March. Every time I come into the room and I normally a bit drunk in my stupid I hope it's not it's not very imperial but no professional dominant provides DSM which stands for bondage discipline domination Sadism masochism sessions wins for money and someone has a fantasy or fetish or kink. UNFO- myriad of reasons which I'm sure is around the eye okay onto at some point. It's not just that vessel to basement willing neck beards can't get elsewhere a myriad of reasons someone will decide that they want to book a professional national And then they come to my place of work here which is as far as everyone else system Sunday photo studio And and and off we got So it can vary from Qasim just very basic for an hour of rubbing my feet up to some really intense you know hanging people from the ceiling and model medical effective. SA- Catheters certain three-quarters cauliflower. Now I do a lot of in training day Blah Blah to void infection and certainly everything like some of it's really up says dressing up as a clown and someone with a trifle true story you know and some of it can be very sweet and very nice and bright tender and some of. It's just joyously walking someone with a stick and So that's it that's it. I think everyone knows like Horneck woman in Latex with the web with amount on the news. That's essentially what I do but not a woman yes so obviously. There is a stereotype. There may be perceived a preconceived notion but one of the reasons why I wanted to get you on. Tape is because for me. The thing that's most fascinating donating about what you do is how it will have enabled you to understand people in a way that potentially ninety nine point nine percent of us. I don't understand people because you are in the business of being able to not just make somebody feel comfortable in the first instance but understanding understanding what it is that they need when perhaps they don't even have the dire happy Larry about such for your school which makes me sound about elitism. I mean it to sound that way. So it cuts the wheat from the chaff when it comes to what like this is if you ironically. I know it's people hop off people to get their heads around because I can be really hurting someone bomb. Ironically you have to be really compassionate and empathetic and able to feel people out uh-huh to make them happy and say all the time they don't have the language or they feel so deeply ashamed about this really completely inconsequential thing. You know what who who does the home Consequences per hour into the universe not And Yeah that the whole mind reading thing. It's very difficult full. Talk to sex workers because you'll feel the okay. This fellow was booked again like a foot massage session or whatever but this isn't quite connecting. He doesn't seem very engaged. He doesn't seem as exciting to to someone who has just that would normally be and so. I wonder what happens if I saw don't barking. I am a bit you know if I'm a bit meaner or softer or maybe like a components from different Saux. Maybe he'll export socks And that's the join in the fun of it also can make a bloody hot day at work when you've got eight minutes left on the clock and you're thinking I haven't found where this fellow lives yet and I really WanNa find where he lives to make him. Happy when seal beaming at the end of the session and they're relaxed in that showed. That's like incredible job satisfaction. So it's it's harmful to get ahead when you say you hate men. I know I love men to be around him in this way for sometime sixty hours a week you know what my also You've got to really love people and really love men and be able to do some uncomfortable stuff at times. Some of these very. I would never judge Jenny one but you do sometimes sort of real a bit things you know. The involve racism old child abuse and things that they've survived So you're going to blow up empty and while patients And a genuine soul fascination Whitey tick moments this take happen where did they come from. how do I work it. How do I turn it into? Maybe a positive thing which led them are looking for is. This was something I was maybe bullied for or something. X was really awful to me about your cover for wanting to sniff my council something and trying to turn that into a positive thing like well look how happy you've made me by doing a good job of my fee Blah Blah Blah and say. This is actually a useful polio personality. I really like Valerie like taking something. That maybe feels doc A weird for them on been treated that way in turning it into something really positive. Nice taking off talking into the exactly. So let's take a couple of steps back before we get into a lot to unpack in. Older are not verbose on no fit. Please never ever talk I just. Would you mind telling the story of how you got into it sure. Aw It's actually not very salacious toll. I the best I think is my favorite. The Disney character as a strong was everyone else was terrified of molasses. She scary and she shows up. He's a baby And they're like why did she get back home. How do I get a coat like that? And then I saw hellraiser near the hellraiser films pinheads. Yes when I was about twelve very sexy movies. It's it's an incredibly. It's incredibly violin. By it's an pinhead was there with the leather nipples. Our and the dress and the gloves and I couldn't tell if I wanted to be him. Oh fuck him but what I could tell was. That was the first time I ever ejaculate it felt and so I'd always grown up and rocky horror Franken Furhter as You know couldn't have been less interested in rocky. Who is this blond muscular? I didn't make him back. Doc but Franken firts again. Oh well that's quite nice. Oh one again. I wonder hails from convict revel in his fucking Mori's remarks Commanding impatient GIACOMONIS head when he was a baby but Megan questioning it. Now now And so I'd always always just in my makeup to be interested in that sort of side of things the villain Sawyer or whatever different static and then when I was maybe about fourteen I was watching one of those sort of late night channel four. I think it was good sex how to do everything and they had a dominatrix on and that to me was the first real life superhero died have seen you know raised by a single mom that that woman is a a demon so I love. Women Revere Women and to since when with you know the latex and the black hair on the hash black eyebrows with a man on on only on the floor and I sort of looked when that not quite sure if I can do that because that's that's a woman but if I can do van Ah that's for ongoing and so while everyone else. Finishing Secondary School was appoints colleges and blah blah blah. I was ringing up Dungeons And so I did it. I did my first session. Found online of Blake was looking for someone to snatch fifty quit. I was punched in the face in a bus stop So I finished. UCSE exam hopped on a bus off. I went and did it should have been nervous. You know what I mean I I should have been and I just wasn't you know he's a smoke back then. Everything and having fifty quit at sixteen years old immediately back on the bus when bought two packets gets them over and about whisky and sign the punk on my own listening to Music Shit faced with my cigarettes. Just cackling That that's me. That's me this is me so I didn't go to college everything I did. Hair skin and beauty And we should up now because a lot of that will be a lot of listeners. He may know you from your think. You'll remind repent you you are in Carolina. Hiring is one of my best mates is Carolina exactly. And that's how we know. Yes admin her facebook group thirty thousand members. And that's actually something we might talk about. Some point is balancing life and for me to how things are nothing to do with work. Just nothing to do with work. The thirty thousand members and I'm sure ninety nine point nine eleven. Have no idea who I am A. Why do I love that? I could just talk about skin. I like to talk about beauty. And no one's people doing and we do have discussions about work in that sometimes but for the most part and I'm just admin and that's really important so you don't develop a dominatrix inertia syndrome. which is when you just turned into an absolute twent- you believe hype you know when you're being worshipped for living and if you don't keep you on the grounds and if you don't have people around you to keep the feet on the ground It can be really easy to float off and it is a shame. I have colleagues really interesting funny wonderful people but that jerks because it's just gone to the head and they don't have anyone around them saying I don't give a fuck if you'll mistress this almost a to me. You're just you so one genetic in stop stop yelling about waiter. Unjust behavior is interesting. Isn't it switching from what mode when he was saying. I was thinking I feel really guilty. About the time I went down to my parents went to the coffee shop and they live in small village and I live in under so fighters were coffee shop. Your coffee's ready within twenty five-second guy is piping hot yet. So as me and this women's like looking at the might flat. Why is one part of the milk? Fred and I'm literally not that. I don't wrap your fingernails on the year because my my muscles tighten toned for London coffee. But it must be if you do this except for a living and I WANNA get onto some of the other elements of it one of the elements of the way that you all able to work in the U. K.. His your kind neglect just to get this out here as well. It's legal to do this. Absolutely yes and isn't in other countries but in case legal there are still syllables to do with someone consent to an assault And so even though they've literally employed me I can't break someone's skin by battery so if I'm carrying them for example I call complete. They're also does is legal registered. Pay Tax Law bomb other countries America again if Anthony who wants it wouldn't let me in. Ib objective at the border. Yeah because it's only needed to get their pockets. It's an odd come to their pockets where you can do this. And you can use that word and Yukon Blah Blah Blah. But for the most part. I've had a lot of colleagues tried to go for what just to go on holiday and the guy joked at one was held for twelve hours and detained and searched and then she was just like I'm a hooker. What do you think? Do you think I have a bomb in my vagina or something. Like what do you think income doing. I WANNA go shopping in New York. What the Fuck and yet attains objected Christ's well one of the characteristics the law in the UK is that you can't work with another sex work? It's great hey guess already said to dominate back. If I say something during this podcast due to my lack of education that needs to be corrected. Correct me incorrectly. Though is sucks whereabouts around Ashley. Okay which one pulled. But there's this thing that we refer to as the whole record hierarchy and I hate it that professional sessional dominance where considered at the top of it because we don't fuck clients and so you will still see professional mistresses mistresses masters go. I'm not sex worker. My job involves system they ejaculate on you. They're paying you to be not just because they want to be nice to you also also because it gets them off so he's having some sort of sex and you've been paid it sex work the same a stripper or web com performer or whatever. But but it still this whole phobic sort of thing wear any ankle distance anything to stop you being associated from the ten Dala handle hooker stood on a street corner. Hey stop being an asshole because that person stood there because they need to be you know anyone giving hundred ten dollars on the street Kona. Where is your fucking empathy? I'm incredibly privileged working. I N much more than an hour and I'm not sit on a street corner but it's not well at least I'm not a filthy hall and I get covered in all sorts of bodily fluids all the time. I put my fist up. People's backsides I have more does than any one person should ever need and get used just because I am not having penetrative sex with someone does not mean that it. He's not sexual Absolutely sex welcome in one says that they are not a sex worker in my line of work is a muppet. So yes that's correct. Okay and then I think the other thing that we should probably just cover off is you off. How do you identify sexually? I do occasionally session with women Blah Blah Blah bomb. I have this real again and find out. Why do I have a real thing about customer service and the Carolina Theory? You have to let the people putting food on your table and I care about the clients so much. Ninety nine percent of them are so lovely. I can't stand to think that I would take someone's money off of them and not give them a completely wonderful experience because that spark of familiar terrain attraction isn't there I'm gay and I been taken to task on few times more and that's very misogynistic. Anyone accuses me. Famous stick needs to be a better journalist. Love Women reveal women in my closet announces. It's all about employment classes and things nights all about fuck you pay me from the aspect of the woman but I like just one guy and we'll also hilariously the women blow the men out of the water when it comes to thyself like it explains on my website thought Seaman but people don't wait I like to think that that's complimented look at the pictures and not one and the emails like it from women you know. I'll read and go roof young heat. I was not prepared to have to read that all whereas the men much more reverend a lot of the time and much more sort of quite like if you made me baby gave me responding on the women and that's when the third guy jackets in my eye which I find hysteric amazing actually the women are the real demons imbed rather than the men by the sounds very and very like nick men all the accident. It's not women at all. And so it's like they know elaborate team Omega put tragicomedy we weaker immune systems. We can't take pain. Did you study recently. Sort of an experiment Trial that's what I'm looking for double-blind Mola Marketing. No it was birth control male birth control and it set off the same symptoms as women get so you're emotionally pissed off blah blah blah and. All of them dropped out. That Paul days couldn't handle it whereas women get on with it from fleabag its season too. It's not spoiled where she's talking some at an older woman and she says women in a bowl with pain in bodies they have pain Meant Darn whip pathetic man. Flu is an actual thing thing. Because we actually have weaker immune systems and you know those machines that they hook up two men to try and give them a similar contractions. Yes and the like. I can't do it. That was like the first round of contractions and you've gone out so L. also watching my mom my mom was a house angel That woman really missed a trick on not being an fights. She's incredible all like really genuine. I knew it sounds really avid. She's really talented fighting I'm watching her knockout assist she. She's five foot one you know. I'm watching to knock out a six five blokhin above because he said that he kicked a dog and she just she has pulled off and it took like seven fully grind. Men Zapatero she she. She was just unconscious. Sir I've grown up with the full knowledge. Having seen the women are absolutely not the favorite sex. We are Remember the point that we were on then my mother always gets brought up in this stuff and she always outshines memory. Boring compared to my mother She she's chucked out now but she had my penis thrown in the. I'm GONNA throw in. Is the law. She Ngo Penis Martinez Thrown appeanas throat. Throwing a check. Check to say on. Takes the thrones. The little there is made up of all of the sorts. The enemies right company coupon Dara launched a sex toy company website. Launched a game of thrones the line and so it's like a promotional thing they mate annoying thrown made updates. So I eventually acquired it because I I need a new top. This that you copycat is coming for the blind. Fortunately had to be destroyed. It turns out. It's fucking cursed Donncha. Why someone gave it to mix it was up for auction? Listen originally and not shape united six hundred something was going for and eventually landed in my hands for free or like a couch. Why And it will not fit through any doors the Dodos just full off of it all the time and found you just find a random spray painted. I can't bet poor workmanship well. This was the thing it was from a distance it looked incredible ten. Yeah and then you sat one and went. Oh this is made got a phone and it had wheels and so. She was like all habit in the couch because she went to see. She's very ill mound. Fortunately but she wanted to see if she could find a way of building hanging on to her mobility scooter. Mom You can't be driving around with I. She lives in Hampshire. That would have just been amazing. Pop downtown to the Monka on a mobility scooter. Dick's but she didn't do good enough to over covering it and sort of remote and so it's recently been thrown in the bin thing. I think not talked about your line of work being being something that anybody to understand people and away and it's a two way street because you obviously have experienced of reading people people understanding what they want when someone says I won't message your feet. Maybe what the thing that. They're not saying I was reading the Matrix. You seeing what they're saying and then you looking at the coach and then also Developing those relationships with people where they trust you to be able to say. What actually is this that I want to work up to you but frightened they are? Actually I think in motor media. Perhaps we have trivialized. Made it quite funny Sex work this type thing it's been it's almost demeaning element has become something that has made it very. I have a work for Ah The goals coming on and people who is a very very I have to regress. NBA Quote Unquote Hairdresser around New People. Because fuck off. I'm proud of of why they bombed the occasional moon that there are occasions when people. Can you just talk about work around people well. I wasn't intending on talking about work around people anyway but they find absolutely have to Christening when I'm trying to cross the baby boom and then I will occasionally okay fine. I can be a hairdresser for the day Although it's changing now actually which is lovely late now versus ten years ago I'm a hairdresser quote unquote a lot less often than I used to be which is nice work and whatnot rings. People are expecting. Go Watts because you say that sort of Cliche of being demeaning and being horrible and and other a bit disappointed Roy answer go. Hi Mark how you did. You can do Thursday. That's lovely what what did did you want if the double fast or should we actually saw pullback on that people you can see them. Oh well. That's disappoint thought. You'd be foot before people would say all post on facebook saying fucking boilers not working Does anybody know someone. That's you know given the source stuff that I'm sure you can imagine you find in my house. I don't always like to outsource for handyman. If title possible having to sort of cover everything up as a pain in the ASS and people go. Why don't you guys to do it because this would be that labor and I would pay them for anyway? I don't just click my fingers and it's not like that. It's not like that. Yeah there's a misunderstanding about what actually goes on it is transactional but something you said before. We started recording because I said to him so fascinated by the psychology. This uh-huh why how. How is it out to understand people because when open about sexual needs and desires and they are taboo that post watershed and it can be uncomfortable believable to express what they want? Feel comfortable about but you said something really beautiful Ashley You said the time. Yes they come here and there is a service activity but actually it's acceptance acceptance. Yeah but they all getting from here on the fence. That does say the biggest thing that I sell people is is acceptance and when the phone rings since the time they'll start orbit I was wondering if I may be and this is me. You know they've seen my website and still to me. The nervous and I got it must be intimidating and you know I was wondering if you could well it might be might be a bit weird buddy. It's not gonNA be weird at this point. I'm I've literally set. Fire to testicles twice this week and and make sure to point out kits yes discussed at any but it's actually a really good advising genuinely Chhaya harm for a modest fee. I will teach you how to safely there was something that can really help people go and like I do now. I will find a colleague who is more experienced in some Illinois and pay them close. And how do I do the safely Blah Blah Blah so. You always do that. That's something that I'm going to get back to the point. But that's something about sex and everything. I wish we were doing moral Educate is if you wanted to learn another language which you would go book Russian calls when he and so. Why don't you book sex worker to teach you anyway? So on the phone when they eventually go like a really one of the And they finally blow to our and I go yeah. That sounds great. How about you often? You Know Kaplan you can hear them go Like almost let you can feel the like the explanation yeah dunk but but sometimes when it is very dark when it is something to do with survived abuse and they want to maybe relive it or something like that to try and reframe it when you say San and also to do with being a person of color it it breaks my heart and I understand why it happens. I understand as a white person. I'm very privileged and it's not the right response from he's like do understand why this happens. just brakes that it does that. They'll say on black. Is that okay wrong. I'm Asian isn't okay get. Yeah Yeah I have one of my staff. Just it's like it's like Homophobia Racism Misogyny Buffalo. It's still very much. There are people are just smarter hiding it. And it takes different forms. When you can't get away with lynching then you get away with you know the the smaller offering the same job opportunities? You know what I mean. It doesn't have to be violent and over to still be I still. Yeah and other. Other workers will reject people of color people with Disabilities Trans People. I have a translator client Blah Blah. Who absolutely adore and in in his first e mail it to me it was a hello dominic? I'd like to book session bomb. I should let you. I'm trans. Am I understand if that's not okay. Hi and again. I understand why it has to be said but also it really. Shouldn't I don't care what's in between your legs I'm GonNa kick it anyway. I'M GONNA see balm get ready a with him because he was assigned female. Ah hasn't had blown surgery. Kicking in areas could accompany com. Let's see what happens when the call a day so with you who I am because we've talked beforehand. We've we've been introduced by mutual friend. We've had very relaxed conversation. And it's got one of the first things that was said when we reached out to get him to lead story about the kidnap funds and immediately we went to a place of fun and I went to a place of all of this sort of what place stores in the the same way that I used to work with the magazine into the deputies so if I ever bring up one of the first questions is all he will take that but it but I I wonder I don't know this is my first foray into this kind of topic truthfully on tape and and I wonder whether it's easy to go to a place of humor with you because you on that four because if you actually look if you go to Resources like Ted all people giving tedtalk majority if not all it's often the female perspective and quite rightly the issues that bought up. There are about safety and Valhalla. Lewis needs change to protect women doing this kind of work. And then I I was doing my research. I thought Dominic. It's very easy to go to the funding place giving him. I feel like if I was sitting on Union woman. It would be completely inappropriate for me today. That you'd have to be led by her. Yeah I mean they're certainly. Aw the same. Male sex workers have a full-service which means you you know s quilting having sex similar levels of violence. But of course the violence put onto women by men is very different. And the the schematics of what's going on Um with a full service ex- WHO's female. That's just awful website. which I think's been taken down now but it was? What was it you you K- punting single punt a net or something and it was reviews of sex workers and it's hateful? It's it's just hateful that doesn't exist with men there is What was it? It was called something like daddy's reviews or something like that. That was an escort review. Board for Gay Sex workers male sex workers and the contrast was just staggering reviews. Why on the one? That was female. It was the client giving feedback being negative and one way men reviewing males because they would still give feedback on on the one on the mail on it would be you know. Things like should've gone for two hours. Felt like he was a bit stressed in or I don't know if we completely hit it off the same way but he was a lovely guy. I would recommend the female one was like she had grow saggy tits. Yeah And I have a lot of friends in in the same way of work and the thing that I've spoken to with female. Sex workers work is about that sort of thing has been like but that's not true. That's not what happened. I remember this guy. He said when the appointment was like pain who this guy is and he saying that you. Oh you know wasn't prepared to do anal. Actually I just don't do an awful stop and the reason the I balked at him and said try and stick out. My Office is because that's not a service that I often wrong hole. Slip down for me being around these women in hearing about this story as you can see why such less humor and I can see why I'm so privileged It's one of the many reasons that I would not be able to be a full. A full service. Worker is the idea of letting someone inside my body who I know is then GonNa with his weird toxic male rage gonna up review like about me afterwards. Let's do you imagine the emotional like impact. But that's going to be having on you. And a lot of those women are bad assets a little fucking Miata tiny Dick and they joke about it about the clients that will say you know. It's so obvious that you love being around me and then I mean you know like yeah I do. Why being around but buddy? I'm on the clock when you leave. I'M GONNA put my mom on what she's turned this So I'm not saying that the horrible about them. I'm Lavar enjoy. That were can choose it but I've just yet to come across that same vitriol from the clients and that the venom and the risk. You know that there's this whole thing. Where a ten dollar hooker is disposable? You'll notice it now. I will ruin comedies for you and good that the the death of a sex workers used as a comedic device dead stripper. There was a scholar. Hunt someone dead strip. Yeah and it's funny honey. His death scene one of them jump on him Destroying because he's sexy and they've been doing cocaine and everything and they knock his head and kill him the body a sunroof later on to make it look like he's not dead and this is a person is the person that was unusual unusual for its been male sex worker because the dead hooker thing. It's an ongoing Jerkin. It's always women. Women uses a comedic. That was very bad. Things Cameron Diaz he in years ago. Very very dog picks up the stripper when they're having sex kills a We've seen the WE. I mean sex workers as less than and therefore disposable and because I'm male I think I'm less disposable simply because I'm so that's where the humor and I join us the humid eight McCloy on all sorts of hopefully open up compensation because if people think they've been lectured. They tend to disconnect. I'm not I don't want to hear it but someone goes well. He's he's quite charming and funny and he was. He had some funny stories. I've learned that people start listening to me but again I'm I'm very well because I'm a black woman and I'm sick and you know I've been raped three times this month by because I stood on a street corner because I have an addiction blah blah all your whole what would you expect but when a middle class white educated well-dressed man stands up until expanded people. Listen Sir I guess yeah. There's a big and that was well and again I trust. You might've been my research but you will see the details probably better than ninety Oh id but the law here means that. If I was a sex worker and we were in this place together Some common endures for having a brothel. Yes just just by the fastest sandwich with the YUP. If only do a session on my husband is in the house If I know a slave right well Oh ben and they're just like a domestic thing they won't be Then Shaw income round and we can do whatever In the lounge if my husband it is in the house it's brutal and he would be sent to prison so that means that it has to be it have to be a learn. Yes which is incredible dangerous. Like the I. I worked in When I was definitely eighteen cough isolate everyone all all the time? Because I've always been six with Terry Wynn and this bacon everything my voice break about four times before I left secondary school and so he's worked coaches. I'm very. I'm not waiting until I'm old enough doing now. The I don't know I worked in was in Soho before Soho turned into a before. We get to say these questions. I think unload Researching that is a common misconception. That anyone he gets into sex work is damaged in some way and got into sex work because something went wrong which can be true in the same way with anything but a Lotta time. Sex Work It's a Lotta money quickly. it's flexible. A lot of sex workers myself included have chronic the health problems for example ago. I'm diabetic I don't do what was authority and that was something that was challenged by a kid. It all the time and instead of being bullied about it an taking that owners negative I saw went. No I'm GonNa find something that's an asset to myself and so the stars lined up for me to go into sex work I wasn't an addict. I wasn't offended by right now. They have to be broken. Like maybe they get in the backside slapped and so yes some people do get into sex work or fall into it especially women because you re remember who else but someone recently said about homelessness only takes one big life event one big life event and you'll there now as the woman especially what is one thing that you can always sell wasn't between your legs so yeah it does happen. I would be being very glib and very privileged edged decide But a lot of people a lot of my colleagues cheese it fits schedule. Some of them have kids will. They haven't disabled parents looking after. And you you can make the same money in two hours that someone else in a cleaning job of making a week and so if you will so a person that is quite happy to suck a dick or legs or Mike. Speak someone up and it's upsetting to you. Whatever then why wouldn't you? It doesn't mean the broken. It means that you you know the whole thing going to a job interview and them saying why do you want this the job because I have a vested interest in not starving to death. I don't understand the question. Why was the biggest thing like? I don't want to starve to death. It's good money. I enjoy the work and good. That's really lovely to feel to find out from you is. I was hoping you were going to say the words on get it. Yeah Jokes distraction. Yeah not all the time. Some sessions go horribly horribly wrong when my I said it's comedy well. We posed for example more comfortable with him now but we are difficult sometimes. That's what a Cathartic doc thing comes out the oils. Say all of the bodily fluids not just sexy ones and the few times I had. We Roy was very light like do do I carry on you. Know do I stop the Cat law him and give him a Caudal Lake. I don't know like grown man clutching afi weeping but so talking about the preconception that you cannot get into sex work. Let's also talk about the perception on clients who want to be hit with a big extinct. All clean your feet. There's also this notion that they're broken in some way that there's losers sleet about their servant of when I grow up. It was always the Cynthia Payne thing in the politicians wearing suspended is under the three P.. Six which is true to a point unlike cliches cliche for a reason a lot of time and I could most certainly not that I ever would certainly ruined some raising parliament tempting. Took Times with everything that's going on with you. Know what just match on the patch will destroy match No I never would. But so so. That is true because it's like human sexuality is actually quite predictable a lot of the time and when someone like that especially again a man has power all the time. It's exhausting. I don't mean like Boo fucking running investment bank. That must be Rudy. Terrible Stephen butts. It's affected his stress That's a lot of factors come from sites it's trauma or confusion confusion or just something unusual and it starts to turn into a sexy thing and also it's kind of medicine for them that they just know in charge and the wholesale of thin of I don't give a fuck who you are. I don't care how many staff members you've got I don't care. How many millions in tax dodging right now like I'm still going to beat you up? And and and that's what they want is someone and especially women and with me being a gay man. That's an additional layer as much as heavy with those Elsa Klenge Times via with women. It's Misogyny is a subversion of gender roles to be dominated by women maidens is exciting because she's week of and so what's the subversion females premacy is upside down because that's not the order of things right. That's the way I felt on. The Nation comes from and so being dominated by Andrew Genus. Gay Man and literally. I've got thousands of emails at this point throughout my career. Obviously and I have lost count of the amount of ones that say I normally see women I really. I really want to know what. It's like to be humiliated by a gay man because what is the only thing lower than a woman amount who willingly sacrifices his masculinity Eggers Irvy's Guy I've thought about it and not violent over I want to attack you. Take Away Your Rights Homophobia But not like sedimentary rock level out the bottom of how you've been raised the. Im lower than you. And so it's exciting for me to be having a go at you and being you up and taking power because really I don't have any power view. That's what you're working on which I find hilarious. It's one of the reasons Well lined up to do my job because you've just paid me three hundred quits kicked in the nuts. I can't remember name which one of us is in power here And those ones are normally that they have the investment bankers who is sixty years old. It's maybe a generational you know. Those are very even the not lose as to get to that amount of wealth and Blah Blah Blah bont. Don't the thing about them. Actually which I like law is they tend to really love their wives. People say they they must be miserable. No and that's one of the reasons that that someone would come save professional. It's all they know the The joke is worrying that sex workers going to steal. Your husband is like worrying the played Playbook Teacher's it's GONNA steal it. We'll took great care of him while we've been paid to and then you can have impact the day. I have no interest in ceiling. Husband husband will have gotten my arm and so a lot of them and they don't want like I say the match dropped on their life. They want to know that it's not going to be taking any disease home or anything. I'm not going to be telling anyone who all Blah Blah Blah second actually a respect Salaam wife that they don't want to humiliate yet because they all sometimes the wants. Don't want to. Sometimes it is a sexuality thing that as much as they love the wife's she's not a man and that could also be a compartmentalization thing off the whole Madonna whole complex. The woman can either be the Madonna. She can be a a hole in Menton to really struggle to see you as a three dimensional human being and so that's in play be cooking kitchen. Get Home Invasion. I think that's in play along. And the reason that they might come into. Mount is that compartmentalize is a way from that. Wife is also the reasons. It doesn't make me gay if they have a prejudice because we don't have sex and Blah exactly so it makes this I. I think we're very generously safe space for them. Let's say for a modest fee. They get to sort of process a lot of that share. I may not loving way shit. I'm not being dismissive. But this is the not loses. A lot of them are small funny than broken. Some of them some of them obviously but all of them are just normal fellows. Who who just WanNa try it or they don't get it from? I mean if you have because the definition of a of a fetish relevant kink sluice language when people debate about Ilab with the definition of a fetish is that you cannot get off without light point whereas king is only like about spanked during sex would be more kink not being able to have an orgasm. Organic erection without being spanked would be considered a fetish right and let's say the fetish is being hit in the head with a rubber chicken. The honks how are you gonNA find that in a ball how are you. I'm GONNA try some all someone up and say would you. Let's come back to my hotel room and hit me in the head with a rubber chicken you might you might get rejected you know whereas whereas you can come someone like this and like I say actual House Jackpot Spine and you get. Get your kicks without any of that going on on doesn't make your Louis Broken whatever it just you have refined tastes and you require a refined individual to them how I'm having his user. Educate it's Sung one of one of the skills you must help with this job. And also so actually one counts as you've talked about famous reframing trauma or reframing a negative event and in this particular space and that oversee comes the responsibility that's not guesswork. What what what sort of view what qualifies us be able to do that with somebody Ed? Because if I'm thinking somebody had childhood trauma By Fest Pool of cool wouldn't be to say. Oh my friend exactly. A- neither would mind and this is the thing that sounds hypocritical. I am I do. When it comes to educating sessions? I do occasionally tap out and go. I am not the right person a few to go through this way. I am more than happy to do a schoolboy bullying scenario. Because you wear Ashley bullied at school in your that to me feels. Low level of US called sheriffs go and turning that into like a fundraiser. That's reclaiming But when it comes to your Iowa's soul is a child. Prostitutes that say okay. Well maybe we could find find someone to talk to you about it together Benton's qualifications it makes me sound hypocritical. But they're on any and there should be. My industry is completely unregulated regulated and. I hate it You know not just on the physical side of things Competence really easy. Let's give someone an infection if you don't know what you're doing even an old one in four fitzroy's patience getting infection. It's really high risk thing. Typically Bladder infections don't lead to mom she's it's just unpleasant and you have your arms -biotics but still I've had some colleagues So when I've been talking about high level disinfection and live Gomo and wait. You don't know what a high level disinfectant is needed to ensure cell death. That's what makes it a high level and you have to make sure that anything that's been in contact with anything that can carry. Hepatitis is sterilized and cleaned. With a high level disinfectant to ensure hepatitis DIS And there are these people but people doing this. That don't know that right and certain frankly aside from being small. I'm being committed to my job. nope nothing qualifies me other than experience as being small being precocious about learning. He had some nurse training joining a colleague NASA. My mother-in-law US of courses you can pay people don't realize you can find. Yeah Bill at first aid courses some of my colleagues on even first aiders and you just like the clients faintly parcel IC- pictures and videos on twitter and I try it really hard to avoid getting in fights on twitter twitter shop front up websites where we advertise. Keep getting shut down And so at the minute we're down to about two one of them being twitter not probably wouldn't lost lonely Showdown with this. But this bullshit because it's moral outrage and Back page one and Back Page was amazing advertising on all of us were doing where you well that and it was cheap. It was twenty quit for a record craigslist justice recurring. Vote the posted again one today. I'm the first week up about page by page. I cost me twenty eight. I'm about to ground in that week. which really bloody good week? We all know nearest wealthiest people think we are as glorified glamorized unauthorized. Perception of sexual is just being rolling in some. I think it's like a musician. So at some do manage to hit that like lightning in a ball whole coldplay Oatley if I can kick anyone in the nuts for free I think it would be. I don't know he's you know those people the probably perfectly nice people but you just want to smack the face off their skull. He's one of those. He's he drinks milk. You could just see him with this little glass of milk and his cook. I just those people are the worst. And he doesn't the thing about that is normally sorts of people. Set off off my. I bet you're disgusting in the best way in bed now. I bet he's going to ask permission to come. I think I'm going to arrive No not outlive the money on the dresser out my house I know I just think he's despicable saying. I should've gone he. Oh Yeah I can imagine him being very very strong the jumbotron. Yeah I can imagine to save people on the TV and go to Tehran field of people. Yeah like a flirty see so away but I don't know a lot of my colleagues. Are you can smell submission on a man. Oh explain immediately. There is some especially when you're dressed in a certain way my best friend GonNa Safiya name is correct name I. We are all aware of how ridiculous. I'll work things off. But she's very beautiful. She's one of the fiber ladies onstage with motor ahead men instead of being oily. You know what I mean. We'll stand in front of an and the body language shrinks a bit and they sort of and she's not being hurling your friends for years before we realized that each other do the job. Because it's just such a thing thing is. Do you have a cycle of trust like you wouldn't maybe tell somebody the first time you met nine. We do know I do. Who is a test low the time? Because if you can't handle the mere fact of why do then you're not gonna be able to get through a compensation with I. I say there's not much relay between my brain and my mouth And also I don't WanNa be around people that like. I think that's very moral. I think the same thing about heck so I guess we've reached an impasse Barbara Barbara fucking Karen Directory Name. Great Yeah Yeah Bonds struck rice. They drag race. Things happened What were we talking? We were saying we were talking about go to say affairs division and you can just you can smell it. You can see it. I think they can smell it to The other way round like I very rarely get tied up by a very sort of bossy strong. You know it's always. I mean my husband husband. He's not a slave but he's he's very soft and he's very quiet certain that body language the way they don't tend to look at you. Don't do the mound on spreading lead lycopene thing they tend to be a bit more. You can make Matrix Code. You can see it and smell it that this guy would really quite like to get my toes. I might cry Buddy nine. Yeah whole thing's differential Saurav and also I think anyone who approaches someone that looks like that because again I having metrics code. If you know what you're looking for you can spot one of us pretty easily and you know his whole thing that someone obviously looks like a makeup artist Becky. They work in beauty or something You know when you're on the bus I bet you. She works paragraph or something. Yeah Yeah you contend to spot someone like us all. I think what is to be a good idea to reference because we've mentioned a couple of times now is reference if you are married that might be confusing for some people. Listening will be really honest. We just a message husband. I was like Oh and then I have to slap myself. Yeah claim to say the absolute ignoramus. Peo- dominance on CNET. Well we're working on it. No people do which I under I understand that monogamy and ownership. The person is another one of those since sedimentary rock things that were brought up with And it's complicating to him. I'm not tonic. Obviously I'm just as husband. He's one of the remaining few people on the planet. The coils made the name. That's on my birth certificate which is not dominant people's Really into an interesting case of nominative inform them like yes. My name is Dominic Masters. Absolutely can you not maybe figure out what's going on there. Say Stephen Junior and did James comment for stalkers. It's a real thing not talk again but the reason we have this a tweet was going about the minute about strip things one lessons about. What's your strip and like the reason we have names is so that we're not stalked? DOC's murder guilt. I've had people show up at my house at six six in the morning banging on the door going new. You're in the year. How have you found my address? So that's the thing we've sort of talked about it with safety. She's the the fact that you can't work in pairs or threes than you are breaking the law so that means that you have to work alone which makes you vulnerable very vulnerable Murray. I mean look look. Let's just be really real about. This is a very raskin stops at a coming to somebody I. I'm not feeling mental biscuit. Yeah I'm just suspicious when you come in there. Yeah harnesses honest says that build. Yes all sorts of cages and young bats the things it must be intimidating for the client that come from false. Y- you know like I am alone in this room and the imbalance there is they know exactly who will face is out there. You know I particularly. I've been been lucky enough with with media like we're doing now so if you Google me I'm I'm the first six pages. AH POPS UP. So they're pretty sure that they're going to got a safe Marshall. I don't know if you all You know they take off the wedding ring. They use different names. So the the imbalance there is is in favor a lot of time in. Unfortunately the occasional bad apple knows it. They know that you have to learn. And if you can see the Matrix it's about people's desire and the outset desire. Can you see the matrix in your someone walks into the space on you at a place where you can say no. I'm afraid that the dungeons closed get well. This is an old book someone. Can they used to be so awful. Can just if you meet somebody very and and you get that yet do you do you have one Corrado. Yet I'm only fifteen years I've been doing during this now. And it's one of the things again that lined up. Well sex work with me that says we will get back to my husband died. Promise it's one of the things that says meanwhile is I'm very paranoid and suspicious about people unfortunately being a sort of known binary and obviously since childhood Me I've been sharing a lot of the west examples of human behavior and so I I I have unfortunately learned to expect that as a default and so then when you put in sex on top of that I I have had a couple I literally only a couple so again. I've been very very lucky of reading nasty experiences where I've had to like brandishes stun-gun a client or whatever with like get out Not Sort of suspicious about people in fact unfortunately consistently proven right. The people suck makes meal on not defensive but but very aware of don't trust anyone until until they proven. Do you know what I mean. I don't have that trust is something you know. Yeah Yeah and you have to be in a line of work like was saying earlier wha Another dead hooker. Washing up on river is going to be yesterday's news. We have to just fend for ourselves. We have to look after each other. They're all charities as ugly monks which incredible Transi protects workers and they will send out alerts that this has happened to this worker again with the law. If you'll permit me to just a small ramp you know. They can't give us their full mobile number. They have to star out some of the mobile some of the numbers. So you'll get a text or an email from remarks saying that someone want us just been beaten unconscious raped and robbed today. which probably means that person on math or cracker whatever and they're probably GonNa do it again? The number starts with this and then there are three digits missing off they legally cannot give us the number of someone that has just raped and sometimes murdered noted a sex worker because of data protection. Or whatever doesn't I know that it's all come here but it doesn't feel so wrong that even a charity designed to protect act allows cannot give us the number so that you can save in your phone and if the phone rings it will come up with ugly mock which means go. This person's cousins been reported and again for me is a privileged I can afford it all the time to not take a booking. If the number Hof matches is like I'm not going to risk it if I'm a mother with a heroin addiction and onslaught get sick. I don't know if I'M GONNA be able to feed the kid tomorrow waiting to takers. Yep You'RE GONNA take risk. It's so backwards isn't it. This is maybe thinking about something else. And you're absolutely right. It's rolling oversee things must change and I'm guessing that we can talk about progress being made but there is something I wanted to ask you about. That just came to mind when you're mentioning that because it's something that actually comes up and got September conversations Businesses on this podcast. And we've talked about salting you're in business and maybe attending side-hustle into a business And one of the things that comes up time and time again it's had value ourselves. What do I get my website? You can ask A. But not necessarily the numbers but for example for me when I saw house frey nonsense mainly writing so I had a pet wed rate all and and a a feature rate or if I had if I was also to do consultancy I had a half day consultancy rate and that's really simple. What what how do you rate yourself when you're talking Out something like sex work. That's the thing sorry squeaked when I moved too much. There's normally sort of an industry standard. Let's happening at the time. And so you look at someone else's website look at someone else's go okay. One of the reasons that configure some Always makes me when people go you make how much money and our an hour to five week where I have twenty sessions. NSA get great money. I might have a month. Get not registered completely its nature being self employed feast or famine. The higher price comes from Is Not working all the time at people in Moist Pacific Job Also I think it's a necessity You know twenty greatest If you will that mother in that situation where someone might make. Who Sat in my very tower in Holloway roads on knocking out bad for less than one hundred and fifty So I think it's on that scale of I've unfortunately. How much do you need the money? How quickly what's your volume of work? I would probably CIANCI less. If I could reliably have three bookings day you know what I mean. Because his then you will more likely to get more bookings if let's say eight pounds now But again people don't not because it makes you like a quote unquote cheap hole. Yeah Yeah and so you the pricing certainly for me and for other personal dominance I think comes comes out of the the Browning if that makes sense and it's the same as goes if you're a quote unquote elite I hate that word Quote Unquote Elite Blah Blah. Then you can challenge eight hundred pounds an hour. If you're a gorgeous big boob blond skinny you know what I mean if you fit. All of the things that we're told is attractive. Charge golden light turns which is ridiculous. If you're a covey of women women of color especially which I hate I don't see as many elite women of Color Escorts as I do skinny blonde white women than and I also think palm for comes from self value. Because you're selling yourself you know what I mean He. There's more transparency more transparency this conduct transactional world about well real prejudices yet then like I actually sometimes avoids sex worker launches whatever because all of the conversations like this the whole time and afterwards and he's going down this is heavy but there's a lot of you know in in circles and I know that there's going to be some people that bleed you brought snowflakes You content before you talk about something and so if you had had a client that push you around you content one of these you know about talk about law anybody. That doesn't have that conversation right now. You can even the kitchen and there's a lot of talk about you. Know Body positivity and support each other people texting this client has just taught. He's really lovely. I've got bacterial genesis right now. I can't do it when I was wanting and I don't know many other industries where a regular source of income. You would happily impossible to someone else because you know that they need the money too again whether it's out of necessity or chronic health you know what I mean if someone's have been saying in on the trump group or whatever that they've been having a really bad flare up of whatever this week and you can't see a client. I'll possum to that person. Because they were just saying the other day they could really do with the book. And I've I've so yeah. I think there's a much more transparency with what the customers as. Well the good clients they get on then transparency about a more civically about also being politically correct at the moment. Yes and yet it sounds is like in your line of work. Clients needs him once politically correct. So when you so that's what I meant when the weight which is completely valid but it was just not realizing that we think that we're making progress then when you come to realize that maybe people's People's Would you put century predecessor. Rolf Yeah yes over really quite Still Yeah yeah no I mean no sorry yes. Let's say that some of the things that I you know the the female dominators some of them specialize in what's called acidification acidification which is addressing amount up in his pretty Nikko's in analog sissies on very sweet funny Bought what I did do a double session alive ago and the mistress was working wave. I said I really don't like sissies and this is the SEC- session we'll have tastes personal tastes and and it's a bit of a grey area that it's console. We're not always loving it. You know there are times when you just. Yeah it's not really my thing but whatever and I said well engine with because it's misogyny and like okay I I don't get it and this blanket statement from how I can't speak for too much But she went. What I'm GonNa do is I'm GONNA say Roy? You trust up like a woman now and he will go gas or whatever and then I will say and how should a woman be treated. Wait for what comes out of his mouth and she did enjoyment. How should we be treated anyone like a fucking slot and they're in the fully knickers giggling during? And that's part of his francine Israel plate. But it's like do you think this of women that this is. What being a woman it's being fucking slot and all the time they donahue and they want to Suck Dick and all this sort of stuff and you saw buddy? I don't know I'm not in your head is this fetish caricature or is this may be a manifestation of how you feel about women so yes transparency you get hit with it. A lot of Clien win last year on much less political thing anymore saying the session was incredible. Really very very good at what you do Blah Blah Blah but unless you lose fifty pounds rapidly not gonNA book you again. I I wouldn't nuclear uh-huh actually imagine nuclear. That is good and it's really route. I'm actually very patient about because I'm I'm very good at knowing someone else's e ripple quite Someone what someone else's business and I've always been like that but my my mom always Vermont on how weird it was raising. A kid didn't care what other people of them Do you really WanNa that on free address site because they can lawful unit. Yes I do want to wear. I went off at him. Not because it hurt my feelings six hundred thirteen stone quite rooms supposed to lose fifty pounds from his beyond offer 'em about the fact that insulting my Compliments might skill which I know about. I don't need you to tell me that I'm good at my job. I know in good at my job. I don't need this little white guy. You know what I mean mean to tell me. I don't need that from you completely. Invalid compliment but also to give me compliment as a way of Ben Seating into you insulting my parents and dangling carrot of more income if I comply lose the way because it he booked a quite long session instead of Tons into a weekly regular about rent paid foxy little man like. I don't quite like sitting on a told W. old voting fifty road who goes to the theater space but I I managed to not tell you that I mean we did not manage to keep to myself in my reply. Do you think he do you think is not something that happens. After recession sometimes enjoyed it so much that they need to take the power back and so yes passive aggressive him. Yup Yeah and the they will make it your fault. If they don't like it. I had to go yeager that that was the one I had two losses Dongguan out. Who wanted to be an something again? We'll know in it's it's also saw. Aw Dinger is say I'm normally dumb like no no. No you'll saying that so the I feel challenged I am the I have to. I have an equal in the room and that I have to prove I'm the DOMAS dum dum dum able to be exactly the whole choir behind me still rave moonlight. I quite like good. But no uh-huh that's what they're doing is they're saying all they say you know I've seen masters all over the world for twenty years and it is it's not power thing of trying to set you on the back foot and make sure that you'll uncomfortable almost get ones who patty neutralize that. I'm very very good body language. Calm because what they want is a Roy's out of you. This actually applies to two in eh come is real life idea. Yeah how'd he needs to allies in differences worse than hates if you are so so nonplussed by it just so nonplus and still engaged and stow what people like about one. A lot of the time is to rattle you And I speak twelve women in the king's things and they say that this isn't a transferable which is what you've just done. You've you've just grabbed that this is a woman you get the gas lighting. You're being hysterical. You'll being emotionally. No no no not look. I'm I'm fine. We could just as well be talking about whether as we. That's how I keep hidden is I will not give you what you want. I know what you're doing. I know that you expect me to be snappy. You expect me to be defensive. You expect me to be less educated eighteen you or whatever answer open palms you sort of sit sit like this. It's an honest sort of thing. No folding uh-huh maintaining icon the whole time and a bit of a smile like I'm doing now even if they're saying something really awful to you and your whole that's lovely a Lotta time. There's just this complete disarm because I wasn't working working so I I normally see Mazda Blah Blah Blah do you how is he. I haven't haven't spoken to him recently instead of being what you'll hear. What the dumbest now? I'm not entering into that with with you. Buddy ace standing on the baseline quoting a cigarette going. This is good for you Do you think outside of sex where it just didn't in the world. In general that the this idea dominance will having one being better than better than other people. is perhaps a little bit more in our tapestry of like your day today. Hey it's ironically something that this job has whacked out of me. I don't WanNa be notepad than anyone else and I get that the COMP- competitive being dominant at different things and it can get but you know the situations where you are obviously locked into you. Some sort of one man who can be top dog. I'm thinking about social media specifically twitter people pointing out other people's tweets And saying look at this person who has done this wrong thing and then they alone for this reason why yeah look at me. Yes performer to A. I'd say a council culture. I think I know that provision say it because I can't figure out what she's done so wrong. Jimmy Djamil Dago people on like the very very left with which I am but I see a Lotta people again all people and women of color and so I have to listen. I don't understand understand why you feel this way about her. And I'm never going to if she said something but I not not told by do look the alleged offensive Ansett tweet or whatever and I I do look at it and I guess I'm just not seeing I guess it's going over my head but I don't understand what what's I went to. The Gym. Eulogy Meal Is Dangerous Christmas is she. I mean literally that's open issue but yes I think she's been successful Bob on and she's trying flying and she apologizes the law because we will get really wrong and I think has any sort of minority or whatever all Yvonne is when someone gets it wrong is for them to listen so she's trying to listen. You know when someone uses the word about me being gay or about my worker. Whatever me no that's not I don't like news it all you from them okay? Sorry and she seems to do that. But that's still out. braying dominance mavis knocking someone. WHO's successful down? Not Anywhere the same level but I get it with young up and coming masters they love taking wipeout me which is hilarious. Because you know you're welcome in my pond but remember who built it is it like Ninety Malone and Gina Gershon from showgirls as a with someone younger in Hungary coming down the stairs stas off. Yes but I have the minute anyway. I've got the Miranda. Priestly thing of. No one can do what I do right. Let's say you're welcome in the pond. I built it you know when I started I was there was one other who Friends wave one. Who's incredibly different to me? Liberals of Kinky gaskell these gorgeous big buff salmon soy penis smack. You around. Well they are. You look at them and think Jesus how does the man stand up but essentially a dominatrix. That was mega cats. I'M GONNA Council Summit. Where if they swung? I'll show you Herald Ashley. Howard late the bonds? That wasn't and and and I sort of okay. That's an idiot. That's one of two reasons. Either there is no fucking market and other people have tried and failed food or nobody has seen An. I could just see that there. Is this gap here and for the first six six seven years of my career that one anymore and this is going back to when you said you started in eighteen. Yep Yep institute cocoa when I was twenty twenty to enclose. Working is a dumb is point and your Oeste Teijin so what specifically you asked to educate people be. DSM committed joke about. I also give a cracking blowjob just to try make ripoll you and me. Not Being Business Savvy. Illness from you know didn't realize that that's fucking genius Having a guy a he's a sex worker talk to women about blow jobs so of course they went that one And that's been going for eight years now. Eight nine give a course in how to give a blur Joe. Yeah yeah cocoa demand. which is a luxury boutique? Erotic Boutique it's fancy sexual diplomatic Saying that but like at t's looks with them sometimes and really really beautiful shop and so the closest to help nibbles Anup time being twenty one twenty two And I looked at the money that they wanted to offer me. When there's not much I went to For money and so okay and I I was really nervous. I was thrown into the depend. Never spoken publicly before and I just opened my Gulp and yeah this is like a waiting list for still Yeah baen calls. Is this one to our yet And so I started getting said I'm going to need to know a little bit more about the course. How do you do you give us a ticket? The end the United God is there a test. How do people know their scale? There is a bit with an is slowly But that's mainly because only material and I can't help but make people do stupid things. I do it with where I make. Slaves balanced home one for with drinking ahead. But also it's a two hour class and so you need to get up and get moving at some point. It's a big positive. Sorry guys working in an waste is a big PAS about 'cause not actually teaching it's getting people into space they feel comfortable yes It's sort of an anti climax in a way because I mean it with all over the road. It's just a blowjob Karen. You know I mean it's just a blowjob And a lot of a lot of people have never had someone that are actually giving a blow job to Taunton for it. Tell them what feels good. Men tend to not be great at an even them when we talk about sex. Pretend to go yet like that right there keep going. We don't say. Please lick my left testicle counterclockwise And so a lot of into orbit like yeah and a lot of them have had that terrible night at that Shit and all that. But that's kind of what I've been doing. Thanks for the other ideas about where to put him. And how to sit. And what Lou to us and Blah Blah Blah. But like. That's kind of already been doing it. Yeah see it's just blow job. I'm getting that from a man for a lot of them. Say it it makes good Dang a going. It's not rocket science says any so much that you can actually do it and I. I don't want complicated ridiculous. COSMO tips about dot dot touch this do that without. It's all about the only giving a blow job when you want to his rule number one. That's once a year. That's it if his dick is in your mouth at any point in his life than he is lucky he deserves to be and so you only ever do it when you want to do it anytime that he's flatmate around new foes buys it and this swinging it was. What do we ate them? That was a misfire. We spoke earlier about his sessions You have to talk the whole way. The three they really likes overrunning running commentary. Say Silence isn't great for no unless they specifically say. I don't want any verbal. Something I had to learn to do is is just things like sire. I'm going to move you ever hit you. Do you know what I mean. You just want to keep it going. And there was one that said that he wanted really threatening and it was four hours. And maybe not you know I get not bought by H. E. and I I want to do something else entity and when you're doing a lot in Sofia set challenges to each other about like okay so you'll sentence in this session to try and wiggle in somewhere. Is this organization and you have to try and make a sentence with as many words as the but without going that look from the client when he goes what and Mine was magnificent majestic member. I managed to get that slide. Localized T- TV. I my friends kid. They'd be like saved butterfly on TV. Tonight I think he yes and he said he wanted really harsh and I saw you know beyond over. Here's thing rolodex of hate he's been on. This is off have work unquote this Rolodex of stuff. That you just keep loving out and I got through freely on the Rolodex pace myself and always fuck. I'm going to have to start improving. which is fired? Because we've already stated that this is not suitable for this is not suitable for like. What could you block out something colorful from your exit? Hey place you're a bit of a piece of ship aunt and me. Yes sorry. This is not goodwill Durga. You'll see it just naturally. I'm just naturally Badgley really not a but no so for a school bully session and this was the formula that got me in trouble with the baby seal. got a piece of Shit on you. And he'll go yes or no matter what happens to piece of shit I I might know. They get flushed down the toilet and things like that. I saw coming on so I use that formula. What's his mind wind and walking him and he was making this so of noise and so what came to mind was a baby? He was height right off and so he was going around on the floor tied up making this noise while I was walking him. And you sound. I don't like like a baby seal. Do you know what happens to babies sales mired in Vegas club immediately safe worded. And it turned out that he was. It's like a very very staunch Vegan. Yeah I'm like fuck both on because you you did you run out of things. Sometimes and sometimes they take what language you Kinda can't use which then cuts out section of the ROLODEX use rox on their parent's age What I was totally fine then little segments? Let's keep getting taken away until you're left with sometimes bare bones of the ROLODEX. I'm going to have to Improv normally. I'm really good at it but every saw from my my acerbic so extensive Gets me into trouble a bit And that's what it was. We were being chastised by this guy wrapped including from cutting out the clue going really. Sorry I didn't didn't really pitched not one quite right today. Any able to just say that was a misfire yet. You very happy to continue that session. I apologize that never happened again or a complete. It's up to them as lawless and in the gatekeeper of someone. Thanks but as long as the sake wedding and that being crosses valid if that makes sense because some with them that that was what we got on top of earlier some of them will snap at you and take their brain crunch every so often in a session. Some the gear. A French happens in the brain. And just nope and Donald Trump is not because they surrender deteriorate. Sorry they they know hits hits them wrong. I got nothing at all so something strikes sometimes literally in the wrong way. It's a lot of the time it happens when they refused to understand simple trace that no matter how good I am at my job it is never going to be like is in your ahead. It's never going to be like a lot of people. For example I'll open the Dole and despite the fact that Meyer you start still listed on my website. Leeann everything they'll look up. Mongolia was in each piece or toll on my face. They think fun going to be this little Pixie and then my voice people think well I'm going to be very high pitched and open it and lunch comes out and so now automatically to things that were not how it was in your head defenses begin to go up up and disappointment you know what I mean. It's my fault that you didn't read the I'm six foot one you know. Can I ask you. I'm curious what how how you feel about pornography so we've had to quickly break how greatly everyone but we we broke off on porn. Because I have I've had conversations with very negatively about porn and feel that it sets up women for very unrealistic grooming standards from one thing as well well as a bedroom abilities. Where given this is your line of work not born but or yeah I do my own clips I think so technically yeah okay Sorry what was that. Your work is represented did fire in times via porn. How do you feel about it? Do you think for the average Joe. If I'm like Ooh I WANNA I want to find out a bit more about what is this is going to a porn site. I'm really normally on like gut reaction this is I think about something done. And I'm really conflicted about porn because it can be really useful at gateway for the people in to discover more about themselves and fetishism have started with people looking up foot pawn Mona of a and then the joy that that can bring which I know because I see it in my work when then graduates onto finding someone else who's into it or finding a worker who on the education side talking to women and especially during a blow job close deep throat is the one day threatening gets me A The law. I teach them how to fake it in my class which I kind of hate having to do because you should be able to say to you Paul now I I do not want a penis in my lungs baugh hit is things like that announce sewing grind and you know the youngest age The young man in this country is exposed urged to pornography studies show. It was eleven years old and I don. I know it's a very controversial. Sign him out. I didn't Ariza anything wrong with the child necessarily seeing sex thought of that sort of people that I because everyone has not my babies in. It's happening I. You know kids sexual much earlier earlier than we give them than we allow ourselves to think about. I don't want not saying I won't eleven-year-old what Hukou porn but like seeing a boob or whatever is not going on and it shouldn't be framed as a damaging things because he's probably already a bit interested in burbs. It's already come in and that was one of the things again that led me into my. What's my mom was always open about? Abacha she'd always say darling is totally happy to touchy so a total touch yourself but maybe not and maybe you can do in the bedroom. You know what I mean but it was never like walloped and told no MHM which darken questions and Blah Blah Blah a LO young man? I'm young women on in a situation where they can ask questions and that burgeoning can we also teammates that they get on the phone on the laptop and on You can't have a conversation with an eleven year old about Bob. Sanctuary that the link. That's missing thing that again. It goes back to sex work. We don't credit the fact that those people are work answer. These acts the deep throat saying the double anal the come on the face. These people are at work but because it's not seen as a valid in our does it take to low on your back and get films like those shoots lost eight and a half hours a lot of the time. Could you get riled by not one salmon paint us but full the eight hours straight without your vagina catching fire because for most people. I mean I wouldn't be able to absurd stamina. And what did you imagine what it must take for me to get off to Lafayette. Get Registan joking that you can get rid of polaroid of having a talk island that recently to get having never kits punk you can get registered. Do you know. I only found this out when I was a kid sports day and they were out on the field watching the long jump or or something on one of the desktop dying for and it was too far to walk to the school and was GonNa go behind a tree and everyone was like no no no no no yeah so that was the richest. Yeah but if an and this is I know very controversial Bob. Even the first time I was running years ago the ice oil palm being filmed even familiar haven't been in my own soda. Lakes and everything seen commercial on the pizza find on Porn Hubbard ever filmed. The first time was was a big Kurtenbach moment. 'cause I've been the director Comey taxed and it was the use of the word nine so sorry what's funny cut cut in back pay. Okay Yeah Yeah no refer for that. I got from the director saying at we have another essentially and so I went up and knocked on the room that they were filming with with but the essentially and they were still filming he wanted plug in like a different life than ever and so like quietly this and she's doing doing the Ha you know and this guy's like really go in for any sweating these. Oh Yeah ooh she's quite client. Nice Day a little the giants and then he went up and he immediately pulled out. Chiro Dover Stop Moaning gonophone and he went and stood in the corner and carried on light fluffing himself to stay hot for the next shot and that was the turnabout moment is the second he went caught. The Guy News to pull out and that she would not want him in there anymore right because I'm busy if he says that means emails by altering emails and everything he's An and was on the phone as well in keeping himself and like. Oh they don't even sit next But they didn't even stay. They didn't even talk. They just stopped God and I think the every sort of over randy fourteen year old boy that starting to think that everyone wants their face. Come on threaten whatever should be given McCartan back experience. I see so it's giving people. The false reality of that could happen in a consensual natural experience when actually that is orchestrated orchestrated lately. It's literally choreographed. There's a script and there's nothing wrong with Bela giving someone a fancy but that's what we need that's is the missing link is. We need to be teaching people that this these people are what this is fun to say. This is choreograph. Enjoy your fantasies exploited fantasies. But don't unexpect- Paul Karen to take on the phone salmon penises just because someone whose job it is also did it. That's the missing this. We're not talking. Look into to kids about it and saying so. You're going to start seeing this ship. You're going to start saying this is not real this is not what real sex quote unquote looks like. It's real in terms of the body parts during the thing and if you do find upon you WanNa have sex like that was the flip side which conversation comes in. That's fine if you WANNA I wanNA take on the full salmon's you did you know you do it but don't because you think that you should yeah you know that's my whole point is it's a complicated thing it's never going to go away. They're literally cave paintings with boobs on them. Wasn't it like the third photograph. Invitation was a topless woman the posible completely the second we document bruce. We must now boobs you see. I love man the hilarious on the soul from the so predictable. I think if I if I was with real world of as point out. The power of the BOOB Zeta at my my system system on many Ideo and strip for a brief time. And I love that as well because buddy. I'm coming home with you. There is no way I'm coming in whom we've you like. Give me fucking money and then once I've got the money coming over then now and I think that's adorable in a way and it's so much fun to manipulate at times that the second That you get the blood rush out with that brain that growing their party. That's me talking like dominated there. You go there. It is coming through now so one. One thing that I do won't listen to get out of this conversation because I do think it's we've we've caught a lot of ground in terms at the safety in terms of how you get into it except through. Have a little shuffle on that. So I'm curious what I would be interested did for you to be able to perhaps open up. A little bit is really actually validating. The fact that it's okay to ask for things because macos so that we stop snickering behind at somebody for saying I want you to do this to be like and I guess you already yeah well placed because you have you have completely de stigmatized normalized dialogue with your clients. It's effort but it's so worth it. Even if at the end of the day the answer to the question is there's nothing more that you want to try and nothing outrageous because we we do tend to do this thing. where if sex life is a bit stock next to you know We go to the extreme dislike that we can do something completely left field and then it doesn't go wrong because you know into it and get back into a shell anything okay. We'll try not and so it's such a platitude but with talking about sex. I always purchase as its journey not destination. It's the conversation because the destination the nation could be the exactly the same square that you landed on but having had the conversation. You know like when I said if if you have an argument with a partner or if they've done something that was a slight or whatever and you're upset about it and you were a bit embarrassed for being upset. Maybe you're one of those times. We Emily being techy. Is them that what happened reacting. You'd sit down you'd have a couplets eighty you might be a bit nervous but you would take breath when you and your love. Can I talk to you about how the other day and you do that because that ends obviously in that cloud review wanting to talk about that you gave it to the cloud do this. It was ex- take the deep breath. Put the kettle on opening mouth frame. It in a way which is calling. 'cause tends to be what happens what Wessex's important it's an act of caption quote unquote conversations about it. especially if someone isn't satisfied. Tend to happen when the angry at being dissatisfied. I always done that. You know when husband has been done the wrong way but the wrong time and I've been for fuck sake and as it happens by the way your finger game is lacking recently and right now is not the time to bring that up with the competent Doll in a really like if we try it. I saw this thing earlier and I can't figure out if I think had sex or if I think it's silly really what do you think about it but to always do it calmly and kindly uncle this whole thing about language words Lavaka. I won't get Sandra manipulate of your disabled. Not Always sometimes you have to be manipulative. And what has confrontational is always concerned concern. Confrontation is always considered to be an aggressive lion. Act And I'm consistently confrontational compassionately. That's in a slow like you can say don being a bedroom a muppet of the minute you ridicule in this Milwaukee. I've been dropping hints. All Week You know I've been trying to get you to watch this clip with me because I I can't figure out if I think it's made me you did to You confronting them. They'll saying hey eh you know I want to talk about this. I want to get this off my chest and I'd like it very much if you could hear me that's all you can do from from your is just open your mouth and talk. What if someone's this isn't my is predominantly female? So what if somebody's listening into this and perhaps that in a relationship maybe Hussmann pop whenever and the partner is saying. We're not doing it enough or when we are doing bring at. I'm not enjoying it as much as I wish I could. And as you say sometimes is conversations happened from a place of frustration. I'm going including xbox bikes Would how what's a good way to manage that That's being sent to. I think being really honest about it. No bowing into that pressure of the dutiful wife will dutiful partner and standing your ground which I know that doesn't sound productive but say an implosion also if he ever gets avoided once a year lucky him not day once a year. My question. About how much sex would you be having A. How much do you want? And if you'll mismatch like back and that's not SAFM but don't go to bed under under pressure and point out to him Hubby. Whatever you saying that we're not having enough is essentially telling me that you want me to put out uh-huh That's not a k you know that's not an okay pressure to put on me? Maybe you should turn me on more You know maybe if you took me out as has absolute South Padre keeps taking his wife to the fear of because it makes them WanNa give him a blow job and this is a two way thing if you expect me to quote Unquote Our which then. Maybe you need to be making me want to and then of course you go again. The horrible unfair bouncing menopause. Or whatever you know some some women to win the amount of Basel. All the holiest. They have ebbing in their life and other women. If you touch me below the battle I will set fire right to you. And your entire family He's he's not owed that you know what I mean. It's a notes another conversation Russian for another day. Maybe but just because you're married together. He's not owed its boundaries. That's overseas something that you are very skilled sat in your lap. Go by doing it saying I don't want to do that. I don't like that very much. Well I don't think I'd like to try that again. ooh You know if you'll not frustrates it. Maybe we could book a hotel away. 'cause I think maybe on stressed and so maybe I'm going to be a bit more into it. If you give me a message and in my case being applied at me stick pitcher Jason the majority of back then I think I could get into it quite comfortably and I only you got that good today by just giving it taking the depress And my husband token anyways like Hazard I look and I would be massively. Improved my cock sucked and even woman let me finish it in and some people that sound so you unromantic but it was great because that was needed at the time I just wanted to sit back. Be A bloke. He struck him in the same route as well but he equally. It would've been like I am in no go to the ball for his album adjacent Of the things. I definitely another class. I don't WanNa fleabag situation and everyone. She's masturbate into Barack Obama. I just listed flea by One of his favorite like I'm GonNa Squeak As fine postman years ago back. But I wouldn't pick that but I'm just assuming that Mississippi Harun but at no he equally the husbands Jacob's name is equally would have said unreal not in the mood and that's fine. What I met him? He wasn't really good at communicating about that in practice practice so it's removing the embarrassment. Yeah and not worrying about an you've talked about this already saying you don't care about what other people think but for some people saying they do sexually particularly you might be able to say I do not want that brand of bread in this house this make tv but saying actually. I want we need to do this to me in the bedroom is something that it's like the toothpaste tube ones is out there. You can't cut it so you just don't say it something which leads a talking about all my clients love the wife's let him or her surprise. You people will surprise you with this all the time. I've learned that is when when you just go attitudes places I You would be really surprised at how people go okay. All Right Happy Blake says. Well you know I. I don't mean to be generalizing about about gender and Volvo Baugh. Aw if there's a chance that is going to get Dick wet then he's probably GonNa be in there And when you love someone I'd upon who's rains cross dressing and it's not massively basically my thing but to see how happy and how turned on it made him different types of tonal familiy but actually a really good one. Some sort of what I do and I would like to China encourage people to experience. It is the type of town where you you don't have a hat in the ring. When you're not here for an orgasm you'll know hit for turned on because it's sexually vitamin but actually you just humoring might be not the you know what I mean humane you may upon her and let them be happy with the the fee or that wearing a bra half of them just GonNa WanNa wear he brought? Oh buying a little bummed toy letting us that known you on him Let let people surprise you all the time when you say Don. I would really like to try this. So I've been thinking a lot recently about blah blah blah. It doesn't have to be racy. You know you got the tips and come back sometimes. Affleck telling them what you thought about the last time you masturbate. I think I'd be divorced. Asked now John. We'll see each other sometimes when we talk about sex whatever. Ah He didn't like it very much brother Not Joking joking. That's just me being awful Bonds it doesn't have to be a sexy like ooh. I was thinking about this. You could just say you know I've been really thinking about trying whipped cream on the nipples gabbard cabinet toothpaste on As in the out now maybe don't lead if it's something that's very intense or maybe don't leave about what about was a not falling into the trap of being so concerned about what they want that you then don't don't mean meet your own needs so as a balance you know the brain crunch earlier that happens if you pay attention attention to yourself during sex happens more often than you thank you all be in the middle of with my husband and my brain just enough and again in troy practice going. I don't like that all I've had enough of that so that you're not only practicing token positively about sex but also more boundaries. Because then you're gonNA find a ease and you're GONNA stop developing language with your partner. I liked Jake Michael Management meeting if we're GONNA talk about sex we have a management meeting Because I'm the manager and You'll stop being able to find then with boundary setting in the negative way as well as a positive way it becomes really easy to say. Buddy you have not gone down on me I am so sick of that. Bloody pair panzers. Can we please. These have sex without by the because you'll get in the positive as well line. It doesn't blow up into this awful while I haven't had a blow either happy as you have actually did last week. And we spoke about it and it was nice and so it becomes a sort of Or Boris you know like every other aspect the relationship. Sometimes it's really good and sometimes it's really bad and you talk about him and you would say that made me really happy when you bought me a bunch of flowers and that made me we really unhappy when it had been them. You know what I mean like you would say that and so you do the time about sex and it was really easy to just like try and talk to your porn sex with the same confidence that you would about weekly shop. Yes and it's not parts of the blow to course which obviously linked to it will be in the show notes but it's is not in that two hour session a lot of it rather than just immediately pretty building for the first hour is very I am a bloke. Does my more appearances might suggest. And so here's what it's like here is how we feel. There's a whole bit about how my first boyfriend ruined my relationship with even as a Miami he used to do the whole in that so damaging because Oklahoma must be something wrong with it it must be gross. It might smell bad. You know what I mean you new again women get a really bad. But with the Fed fresh and Blah Blah Blah withhold genitals smelly and dirty and gross numminen Hijaz. That really go in my head years that there's something wrong with it after it turned out. He just didn't like swallowing and Zola classes about those sorts. So things of men. We might not be as quick to discuss it. You can feel when someone's human you can feel when someone's swallowed out of what they feel obligated you can feel when someone open the legs and it is going to hop on and get on with it and happened when it comes to sex again you would say with male like. Oh I'm I'm full very hungry right now or whatever but it feels like sex. You can't do that a lot of the black and white isn't it great. Yeah Ryan See. There's Lautoka in in a lot of trying due hypothetical talk first and then we get to the fun Dodo on the full hair at lollipops. Equal GEICO eligible costs. It's Giggle they. I told him what it's like on the receiving end as a matter how we think about sex and I Dome Sounds Right people very much by. I think this straight men like hurry and football a little long in there is unless you WanNa suck his dick enthusiastically gastric clearly There are other ways to show him that you think McCarron by him Latin Acari amongst the football and then on the flip side you know using sex currency or as a weapon things which we like. I'm not perfect at all that you know when you like you by the laundry head on and you sort of Skim over the sorry for like the butts in the. But he's just come in from what and he's GonNa Walk Straight great policy not clock the new laundry and straight to the Boston. I Shit and then you'll now angry and pissed off because he didn't jump in your sexy sexy lingerie that was a trip. You knew that was going to happen. You knew and we've all done those sorts of things you know what I mean. Because we relying on clues keys and relevance then direct line. But you don't have to put it so cool sleigh so you developing language like that is really important. A management meeting things like that in way that you communicate about what you feel comfortable like moist that would says people off. I almost throughout my mouth. Emmy sorry if that's that's interesting. That is the thing said Panties as well earlier. Yeah I see that a lot I was doing. I was neutralizing. Sorry it's quick person but We actually coming to the end of time to get much very sad. But I really didn't want to turn this into just an anecdote in the way that I can sometimes get into is about saying telling stories about terrible celebrities but we have to about the fact that the awesome there. There's some comedy and not necessarily to our mutual friend said. Oh my God and I don't want to give any details. I want you to tell it. But you've well if you're comfortable. Yeah I do have to tell the media friendly bird telling it now. It's I'll have to the media. Friend version MM legal reasons it tends statute of limitation in this country. But I do kidnap sessions every so often. ooh And they are a hell of a lot of work. You just rolled off the tongue. But that's like panties and moist. Okay carry on a hello to work. Essentially the structure is The person will give you sort of schedule. An idea of where they're going to be. We own a handful of days so all consensual completely completely transparent. And so you then hire and Blah Blah Blah snaps them back to the dungeon half the session. This fellow decided that it would be great if if he couldn't see it coming because like I was saying earlier I look like Disneyland my colleagues a six foot one woman coming out with off length red hair and malicious intent. You know what I mean. He wanted it to be really. Didn't see it coming on so he's not really the customer service like as possible yet right. I'm really racking my brains on. How am I going to get him? and so my mother this is disabled and she drives ability scooter and in the on the session. How we'RE GONNA get him in a way that we've been like stalking? You can whistle to stuff just just like sitting being outside cafes knowing where. He's going to be ready giggling house he goes. Yeah House cow so he can spot us. You're not always going to happen now. So I mean it's war. It's like a full week of chasing this haunting. Oh man around London. He's constantly in estate like semi arousal the winds so you can see the fun but for having a nervous breakdown the whole week but when it comes to the actual snatch you in your mom's involved remind me how come in the actual snatch the ground event. He needs to not because of course you have to distract him and get instill long enough to get him in the Van And he didn't want to come in. And so we were acting overages and my mom my mom perfect like such an asshole and so happy. Call the fundamentally happy. Doing what are anything ridiculous right. And so mom dormant Claybon to quit. And I'm actually with whom I can. No mom no one one kicking in anyone. Mom why I need you to do is pull up beside this guy on the straight and I enjoy sorry busy busy. pull up this guy and you'll be sorry dollar in. My battery is about to innovate. Sorry Dolly my bachelor's broken Can you please help place it. And she's covered in tattoos and everything but she is very well as little old lady when she puts Hatton on and and we will simply club going. We literally like five meters away. We will on the corner screech to a halt. Make it like a big deal. Bundling in the van off ago And she got according to her got lost in the character pulled a walking stick out and went. Got All the fucking and what am I gonNA links with it and so where they're gonNA Go and this is where the media but we bundled in the back of the van and from there on out our authorities were involved Blah Blah Blah but yes. My mother got lost in character actor and so now an method full methode battered the poor guy with a walking stick and he often despite the authority involvement and what turned turned into a very long very stressful day. The Guy Actually did say was the best experience was fine but but now to avoid that my mother is not allowed to be involved anymore. She is bound from kidnaps and my husband will someone will now where a placard and hold a video camera saying please do not be alarmed. Student fill in progress and that stops people people from lifting the authorities and ending checks were invited on Mukalla recently. Listen we actually just wanted to go and just so she can headbutts him well. John's anymore counseled him good. Quite this has been. It's an education or conversation about so much and Yeah I have a million other questions but unfortunately we don't have another Rabat's to record but thank you say thank you so much for having me and listening to me about. It's nice to have people say. Hey you guys might have a hard time although there there are these losers who would ever talk about nicer. Thank you very well I was. I do think that with this cost people. I think this is this. Seems like an unusual. Guess I know you usually have but I hope what choice do with focused generally is try to understand people and conversations with others help us understand ourselves and other people than I do think that yours viewpoint that is so worth hearing notices. I hope sorry. Listen to sex. It's one one of those Russia is going on in the head on that front and you can only please together a lot a lot of the stuff I thank you for validating my ridiculous Louis. Nonsense I love show. My mother will be very obviously listeners who've links to multiple nick will the show and anything else that we have mentioned but and that's it thank you so much and I will see you so much for listening. I hope you enjoy that episode of the pause. 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EP-263 | Chris VanSant, 1st SFOD-D Operator

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EP-263 | Chris VanSant, 1st SFOD-D Operator

"So we're sitting here with another episode inter military appreciate you guys. Listen in and got the sidekick paul martinez. What's paul. how's it going so we've got a special guest today chris. I really first christmas and thank you so much for coming to the show. Thanks for having me guys and you flew hell of a long ways to get here so i really appreciate that as well. I'm glad that has the flexibility to do it and people that support it. I just think it's better in person man. I'm a lot more comfortable. When i can look at somebody and talk to him totally as and that's what we were. Just kind of talking about pre podcast. About how much better it is than we do. In person course. Toronto viruses ruined that for all of us. And so when we get the opportunity do these types of things we want to take advantage of it for sure. I happen to and i mentioned this off air. Listen to you on another podcast and You've done several but your story is pretty amazing. And i can't wait to dive into it because there's so many things that we want to unpack and in peel back and everything Because i think there's A lot of veterans out there that also need to hear the message There's a stigma that's you know that's out there within whether you're on active duty or even when you come off in so we're going to unpack and get into all of that and maybe provide some ways in which we can help guys as well so your career. You started off course you went into the army but where is home is it era zona or no as born and raised in dover delaware right. Yeah yeah join the military out of high school eighteen years old. I think i was one of those kids that was looking for a challenge was looking for something else. I knew I needed some structure and some discipline. i was a little bit of wild job And at the same time grew up. I grew up with two veteran grandfather's One of which in particular. My mom's dad I think i got him at a point in his life where he started to share some stuff from world war. Two really and That's that generation. Just didn't do it. No they didn't and he didn't his whole life. And i know all this stuff now but i didn't know it then you know my grandfather very similarly. He spent time in the service you know were two. He deployed and he was gone for nearly four years And it changed to. He was a person he came home. A different man than than the guy that left and he never talked about it you know. He had some years with with drinking and things like that where he was struggling and they didn't know what it was. I mean we're still figuring it out today. But i didn't all that stuff till years later. You know my mom explaining it. But by the time. I got him as youngest grandchild he was he was a great guy like he had he had worked through all that and it was all of these years later and he used to tell me stories about world war. Two and i and i've said this before. He told them with such passion and appreciation so even when he was telling you sad story it was still like a good memory for him and he talked about the people that he worked with. Was it just. It felt like something that i wanted to be a part of that i wanted to experience and i think that really impacted my like zero hesitation for up ominous sign up and join the service. What did he do while he was in. He was actually in the army air corps so pre air force right Before became a service. Yeah and he was Like an art deco That dealt with aircraft and airfields zone. He was in volved in the south pacific campaigns so he was attached to various units through for basically four years and amir to source. He actually wrote a memoir that never got published That i really appreciated but a lot of the family didn't like because he talked hut a lot of stuff that they had never heard. Yeah but it's a very similar parallel and it's i think that too is why i'm getting to the point in my life where i'm okay talking about some of those things. Because reading some of his words were helpful to me so maybe some things that i say be helpful to others and that was just generation. Not just those. The went to war but just that generation. I mean my mother. You know there were secrets in the closet that they wanna keep in the closet. I little things start coming up that they wanted to suppress in key. You know away. When when i read what he wrote You know my mom didn't like a lot of those things. She didn't know some of that stuff and he was really candidate was like this man porn out all this stuff on paper because he needed to an i read it from a completely different perspective like i understood like no one else in the family did. I'm like well i not. I didn't even say this to him at the time. But i'm like yeah but you guys don't understand like he he was he was different ling a lot of stuff if he was gonna come home time and time again and that changes you as a person and yeah it changes the decisions that he made and it doesn't mean that he's proud of but it's it's part of his journeys part of who he is and he didn't mind porn it out like that so i thought it was cool but anyway so yeah so i grew up like that Suburban kid delaware Was an athlete I knew i knew. I wanted to go in the service probably my junior year of high school And i wasn't sure which one so back the hidden. You didn't really have anything other than like the pamphlets from the recruiting station. So i read some stuff and tried to learn as much as i could ask. People that knew that were in the military Had a classmate who had a brother that was a combat controller. Okay and the air force And he got me like paperwork that explained like the pipeline. And i was like this is cool i can i can. I could jump out of planes. They could do all this stuff. And and i think i said this to my mom. I'm like be certified air traffic controller. So if i decided to get out of the military uh gotta jump seventeen year old kid knows anything and so yeah so i you know. I think my parents advice or something was well. You know talked all the recruiters in and see what the deal is and figure out what you wanna do. And i knew. I wanted to do something and special operations just had that i. I always wanted to push myself. I always wanted to be what was like movies or movies or one special. One that stood out joke on time i grew up with with chuck norris and lee marvin in the delta force aria and the navy seal movie with charlie sheen and michael bane and i thought that was the coolest thing ever to funny because those movies And a few others i rambo and all this kind of staff or i have so many people that say that that was the catapult right there it was like oh man i watch that and it was like oh. That's exactly what i wanna do. I wanna go do that. Well you couple of hollywood would. Some wasn't true life stories out of some family members that maybe didn't do sexy hollywood stuff but somewhere in the middle. Your brain win. It's still pretty cool. Like if if the truth is somewhere in between those two things. That's not bad. Yeah so i went to the recruiting station and it was a combined one you know so and i think he did some recruiting times. I did do that and i. My mother gave me the exact same advice. By the way you know. I actually walked in the marine corps. While i walked down the hallway and the first guy on the right was an air force recruiter and he says what do you want to do that going. I mean i'd love the five plane because you've got a college education. I go and he's still messing with this filing cabinet. And i'm standing there to doorway and i guess that's over so walk walk necks a navy guy jumps up my dad. I'm a navy brat and everything were damn bell bottoms and everything else and so this guy jumps up. And he's got his whites on and the whole bit and now man. I'm not even interested. Go in and i get to the marine corps guy right. You wanna go marine. Give me all these pamphlets barry to walk out of the building and shit mom told me i gotta go talk to all of my better do that or you know i'm gonna be lying or turn around and walk to the army. The guy takes five minutes and talking with me tells me i'm not going to get guaranteed anything on those. The on any of those documents takes my pamphlets in the corps. Detroit's drop them in the trash can right. And he's like me and you wanna go army and he goes as a matter of fact you probably want to go infantry and ranger and all this kind of stuff and i didn't know what the hell i'm looking looking around. They have all these cool posters and stuff and yeah but anyway. That's my story that ended up going and then later on on the guy that's doing the exact same so similar so i walked in again. The only thing. I had really gotten any depth of information on was this air force paths air force recruiter and i swear the guys carbon copies and i walk in and and a guy. He's not he's not exactly the most physically fit individual. And and that kind of put me off. Because i had this image in the military you know like your fit guys and whatever and so i start talking and he's like you know. What are you looking at dawn. And i and i explained what i wanted to do. Any kind of laughed. And how's this little skinny kid away one hundred thirty five pounds like soaking wet and that bothered me that he that he laughed and so he's like well. You can't just go straight into that. You have to pick a different career field and then you have to volunteer bubalo so i was like okay. Well i appreciate the info you know. I'll be back. So i literally left his office and i went straight into the navy recruiter and the guy know same conversation. I said i want to be an abc. He didn't laugh. But you know he's like your typical navy guy like he was kinda squatty in his uniform. Little hitler mustache. You know within rigs which are horrible. And and he tells me about buds. And how the program works. Same thing you gotta pick a job at the navy so i am a few more questions. So what happens if i'm not successful in. But he goes. Well then you'd go do whatever career field you picked. And then i'd be like on a boat or something and he's like yeah. I'm like okay all right. Well i guess some things to think about. I'll come back with the navy. Yep so then. I go an army recruiter office. And the guy i think his background was was he was a logistician or something like that and he said what do you want to do. And they had an army ranger poster on the wall. And i said i had i somehow i had read in the pamphlets or whatever that you could get a ranger contra option. Yeah and i was like i'd like to do that and he's like well we don't have any of those available and he kept trying to talk me into doing supply or something and he's like you know you had good fab scores. You know you could do anything you want the army. And he's and he's pitching it. And i'm just like no matter how many times i try to steer different. Charlie brown's teacher want want to be an infantry guy. I don't want to be an airborne. Ranger i wanna be special. He just was not having it. So i got kind of frustrated with it and the army office was the biggest of the bunch so they had like. I don't know six or seven recruiters. They covered all the different school. Districts like in the area because it was a centralized recruiting place. So everybody in the office can hear this conversation with me in the sky so i get up all dejected. And i'm like well. i guess i'll go. Try the marines. So i go on marine recruiter office now. The guy had told me he had dangled the carrot and gone. Hey there's thirty thousand dollars. The bone is yeah the college fund or whatever. Oh you talk about the Bill and then they had to college. At the time separates you had the gi bill and then you had an extra thirty grand towards college and i was like well. That's kinda cool. it was like at least. There's some incentive there where if if for years doesn't work out then. I can go to college. I got some money towards school and So i i go to the marine corps recruiter. And it's exactly like you said you know he just. He is fit guy clean high in tight haircut. He looks really polished. Like totally different than the rest of the guy. I'm michael this like you know. He sits me down and he starts talking to me. He's like what do you want to do. And i was like. Oh i wanna be your guide blah blah blah blah. And he's like oh it's great. He's like perfect. We can do that for you. Know and i said well you know was like i've talked to some of the other recruiters marine corps have any programs like. Did they offer college money. Do they offer this today. And i said three or four things and he said son. We give you the privilege of being the united states marine and i laugh classic laugh and threw me out of his office. He literally got up. Pointed out the door and said you can go. Why a you're i. Am you know that was the wrong reaction. So i walked back out in the hallway. Literally you know head down. I'm walking out of the building. And this this little blonde haired guy runs out of the army recruiting office. And he's like. Hey can i talk to you for a minute. And i'm like yeah any like follows me out the front door. We're standing off and he said hey you know my name's in his name corey deal. He was He was from the eighty second was on a recruiting tour. And he said. I don't cover your district and i'm not supposed to do this. He's like but. I listen to your conversation with sergeant. So and so and he's like i think i can. I can help you out. He's like can you give me fifteen minutes. And i said he i guess and he's like let me go talk to my boss and make sure that i'm good to do this. So he goes back in comes gets me say. Come in and sit down. So i come in and sit down. And he proceeds to tell me that he we have an Airborne infantry contract So you'll be a eleven bravo and and we'll get airborne school when he goes in when you're in school and he tells me how you can volunteer for For the ranger knock nation program and you can end up being an army ranger. And i said okay well that that's that's exactly what i was looking for and i said well what happens if the ranger thing doesn't work out. He goes well. Then you're you're airborne if many so you'll get airborne school it's no big deal. It's okay so and the rest is history. So i did that Thinking i was going to be eleven bravo actually ended up being eleven. Charlie switzer on you at eight and basic x ray. When he went to know that why i was supposed to have a guaranteed eleven bravo airborne contract And when i got to basic training when we hit a it they while actually when i got the basic they told us. You're the eleven. Charlie platoon. And i didn't know anything and the next thing i know trading on mortars and i'm like well maybe everybody does this problem on the same thing and i didn't want anything you're in culture shock and your basic training so i go all the way through it and the end of it. They pulled the guys aside that we're going to school and i had orders for First infantry division. And i'm like what this doesn't make sense so by that i'm like i'm not just going to accept this. I'm not going to kansas. Yeah like. I'm already learned something that i didn't ask to do. Yeah i gotta fix this. So ask the first in and he pulled means office. He was a former recruiter. Like has recruiting badge on his uniform. You know And he did some digging and he's like yeah they never whatever happened with your contract. They they had you as an eleven x ray with airborne. And he's like. But i can see where they amended it and gave you the eleven bravo airborne slot. He's like so. I'll tell you what i'm gonna do. He's like. I'm gonna fix this. And i'm gonna get you in airborne school but i can't fix a vaccine ear eleven charlie. So you're stuck his mortar guy. But i'll get airborne school and you can volunteer to go to rip just like all the stuff you're recruiter told me because i was. I was heartbroken. Terrible and he did he did so. They fixed it that day and i went on the bus over everyone school. I think we did like christmas. Leave or something. So i didn't start tolbert right after but And then went airborne school and volunteered for rep and ended up in three now. Those guys came over and gave their whole spiel their briefing and the video and they did. They did when we were in. Everyone's school and i was stoked. Yes like paul yes. Paul wasn't even thinking about it. No i had orders to italy. Yeah why would. I stand for benning. Great i'm going to be one seventy third and then i saw the video and i was like. Is this really that cool. If you want to be the best also on monday morning shit really know what are the hook hook line and sinker So yeah so. I went to rip and practices before we go any further. Like i've i've failed everything I've been fired from stuff. I i like to say now. I've made enough mistakes to figure out how to be successful. So i go to and we were there. Were like two weeks in and we had. I don't know if it's a holiday or whatever it was we had like a three day weekend the middle of rip and they told you you could only go within like a two hour radius or something like that and we were young kids and i had a bunch of friends now are in college At clemson university. Well it was a little outside of the limit a little fort benning into clamps in like five six hours so again a bit of a party or as a kid. And i hadn't really cut loose all this time. So it's like this is great. I wanna i wanna go up and see my buddies. Like i'm a really cool so i go to see my friends and i've party. In south carolina give them my buddies and we got recalled during the weekend. And i didn't know it you know so. I wasn't where what used to write your number down at the desk where you were going to be. Whatever and they called and didn't give me. And so. I showed back up on sunday night or whatever it was and there were about eight of us that didn't catch the recall and they said yeah you guys are like in trouble so the first step so we got screamed at ray devon's if anybody knows right he was the the head cadre or whatever and he's this giant like he was a nfl lineman at one point like pre army. She's massive man but he has this little. Mike tyson voice got tommy standstill. But but so he's screaming and his high pitch badly. Oh you're going to be recalled and regiment you anywhere in the world eighteen hours. He gave the whole thing and so they told us they were going to recycle us. So i had to do it again. So that was the first time in my career that i failed and i thought this is really what i'm doing. You made all the way. Yeah but it was a good lesson right and i think early on and instill that look man. Don't let somebody else like if you make mistake own it. Yeah and then deal with it and then figure out your path to get where he want to be and so so yes. I recycle went back through rip and then ended up in charlie company a. Yeah so what. What were you in. I was in h h c. Okay yeah i was. I was also eleven. Charlie not on purpose switcheroo on my own be inventory. I think that's how they get eleven. Charlie that's eleven breaks too because levin ex news to come in and lebanon x-ray and they were thinking they're going to be a bravo and then all of a sudden they back in the mechanized as like. Now you're gonna be a mike and is that what you know. no. I didn't want to get on a bradley. I wanted to you know go to airborne school chance ranger school. And all that when she became a mike. You couldn't go to pakistan. I don't know if you know still you couldn't go to ranger. Couldn't now that you could like radioman. They call them. Yeah oh okay yeah. I couldn't remember just didn't jump in. They trucked in in the school yang. They call them lagrange. No but i talk about regiment. You couldn't go to regiment as mike. Oh yeah. I don't know i don't. I don't think you could. But yeah the entry. Mos was segregates. Mike's which were mechanized. Infantry guys you bravo's you had whatever the hotels were mr you guys and then you had lemon charlie's which were guys are in iraq fireman and looking back. I'm glad that i did it. And like you learn a whole nother set of skills that relate to infantry and combat that and you wouldn't get in one of those other fields And then same thing things. Eleven charles looking back now. I got to serve in different units like completely different units so i got a much greater depth of experience as a soldier. Then if i'd just been a straight eleven bravo airborne guy. I mean there's guys in the second time in eighty second but there's guys that literally spend twenty years in eighty seconds. They go away to korea for ear and come back and then finish out their career like yeah. That's really hard to do anywhere in. The army happens with regularly bravo's about being in love and charlies. I deployed with every company in three seven five. So i got to know everybody. I got to see everybody did and gave up a tune in every never asked questions. So you're you get attached to the they used to be when i was there. Yeah Would they call it a weapons platoon you had your mortgage on your annotate guys right. Were in weapons of june in the line company. Yes and then somewhere. In the two thousands they changed it and they moved all of those dudes in h sieg and then they got tasked to support the line companies. That i do remember a change happening right before i separated and retired in But the what you described there. We have a weapons. Mortar platoon stuff even the calf. You know that was with us so Could we were talking about that last night after a three seven. How long did you end up spinning with three seven bucks a year okay. Again in my life I told this story before. But i i got you i I was driving a buddy home from a bar in a couple of beers. But not a lot so i was the one driving and he had gotten a dear john from his girlfriend back home from being away and was sad so i drove him. Home and We actually got a fender bender I was driving lady stopped on a yellow light and i just barely slid into the backer. An officer was driving by and solid. So he pulled over And it's whatever it is the story. But so i got r fest. I left regiment about six months later Because i was eleven. Charlie i could go pretty much anywhere. anywhere there was an infantry and mechanized infantry had eleven charleena's airborne infantry and eleven. Charlie's like it could have gone anywhere And i think out of convenience. They sent me to third after division. kelly hill so i was still on for benning. Oh so that was a massive change as well. Not as bad as if you're gone to like twenty ninth infantry or something like that trade oxide. Yeah yeah and i. I was crushed. I mean that was my first like sort of made a major mental challenge. You know being recycled and rip whatever. Yeah like it happened. I screamed at what. At least they didn't kick me out right but yeah they they. Reginald policy was if he had an alcohol related and leave. And so i did so. I thought it's over. I'm getting now Turn out to not be a bad thing. here's this this is ninety seven okay. I had just left there really at on on kelley hill village at that time that time frame. I was doing in-service recruiting okay. So taking guys off active duty and put them in the reserve and garden staff. Will you so you know what kelly who was like. Oh yes i do. Yeah definitely during that time from alison regiment was like because as i said that was my unit i support it so i went over there all the time as well so i know both those worlds for sure. We'll regiment. when when guys did stuff wrong they just left the regiment. You never saw him again. A lot of came to work for me right seriously or somewhere. There's a lot of great news. The left regimen out so do great things for the army. But you didn't do. They didn't stick around. Well when i got to to kelly hill the third. I d brigade commander. It's time because it was one brigade. It was third brigade of three hundred vision. The rest of third idea was at fort stewart and and our brigade commander was a guy named colonel shook and he had an entire company of dudes that had gotten in trouble and gotten article fifteen or whatever and they put them in tan Like flight suits and like like workers suits and we call them shook crooks and he used them for barracks. He had him like repaint. The old barracks like when they would remodel to save the army money into employ. All of the the problem. Children do your time if you did something wrong. You would do your time and ships crooks. And then eventually you'd work your way back into a aligned company so you wanna talk about a different experience. It was like it was a good convicts on the street. Oh my uniform crazy. I mean and that was in the nineties stuff from the eighties and seven. Oh yeah because back then we had. Ccf and you know. That's where a guy was telling. Paul you know basically. I don't know if ccf still exist or if it was in the same form back then if he had kind of a guy that messed up when he needs to be corrected. This is where you went to you. Went to the correctional You know unit and stuff. Ccp and so they would they would walk around or ccf. I mean they'd walk around and see if you know and all that you'd hear them all the time but they're the guys with the swing blades out there and You know doing all these things. If you were good you got a chance to go back to a unit or if you are really bad they might recycle youth basic training again. You know and if you're really really bad where they just boot you out there. Yeah yeah and that's so that's what it was so went thirty We deployed right away. We went to kuwait On a six month deployment and it was in supportive of what they called operation desert which that was desert storm after desert storm. We were patrolling the skies above iraq Restricted airspace. And then we were doing show force maneuvers in kuwait several years. We actually got expeditionary medals for that if you believe that but it was awesome because deployed mechanized petunia when you're back home in a mechanized unit. You're doing maintenance on the vehicles every monday. Like it sucks. And they don't have the kind of money and resources at regimen has said they. Just don't train you're going to go to the range like like twice a year if that yeah you get to break tracks we run dry. It's miserable but but in kuwait was different. They had all this ordinance over there and stuff that was stockpiled from so we did lie. Fires the for the whole six months. I mean we filled sandbags intents sucked it and But it was cool and i. I really enjoyed that time. We were on the old four. Use mortars like track-mounted You drive around and mechanize maneuvers and you know. Drop these big bombs. And i thought it was really neat. Got to learn the fire direction. Control piece and it was easy to excel and third. I d i. I was super young kid. I was good at pd. I could run and if you could run on a regular army unit you kind of a god. You're got so hard. So named for myself is just kind of being a performer in a hard charger and yeah i had some good leaders and some bad ones but for the most part had some good. Nco's just the different than than what i had regiment. Oh most definitely. Yeah and it's coming up on reenlistment and our battalion communities time. Colonel li i was gonna get out and they actually martines aren't said the battalion commander wants to see you and i was like what. And he's like. Yeah he wants to see them like about what he's like he wants to talk to you about reenlistment. I don't i don't know if they still do things like that but it was pretty unique to me. How betine commander i mean. Typically maybe you know the first ardennes. Ceo you're right and so we were in hec so we were you know a little closer to share kind of everybody leadership new more. The kids h. I think they need get in the line companies. Because there's less of you and your centralized or you get the no like s one s three four guys you you do and the mortar platoon in a mechanized. Infantry battalion is huge. Lincoln's a bunch of guys and it's real rank heavy of e eight masters Of two hundred seven so they're pretty senior guy so anyway. I ended up in front of the tank commander. And he's like you know. Talk to me like what are you gonna do when i tell them story. I wanted to do this. I got out of the regiment. Forget you. I got a letter of reprimand what happened. You know my understanding is gonna. I'm gonna struggle for nco promotions. I was. I think i was a sergeant by then. Yeah i was a sergeant five. By then. And i was like i like it. I like army. I just feel like what i wanted to do. Has been taken away from me. Because i made a stupid mistake and he said well what if i can help you with that and basically explained laughed about this before. But he's like. I can move your your letter of reprimand to your restricted fish. Whatever that some as the one guy drives and that means and so. I believe him and he said you know. Would you re enlist if i if i took air that so and told you that you didn't have to worry about it and i said yeah but i'm not going to reenlist to stay here and he laughed and we had know. Kyle i think he knew he no. He didn't try to keep their. You know he laughed and he said i understand. And he's like where do you wanna go. And i said well you know i'm an airborne qualified guys that i at least want to go back to a paratrooper. And he said all right. He's like i think we can get you the eighty second. If you tell them you're going to reenlist. He's like we need to keep the guys in the army and mental automating changed the way i look at service and i think that milestone for me just leadership having faith in you not judging you based off your past mistakes senior leaders you know. Yeah yeah and and. I think that is one i transitioned from. I'm gonna make occur this. I'm not going to get out these people how they've done something for me and i'm gonna i'm gonna give back you've ever found him again. Never know i've said his name a couple of times you like you said. I've done a couple of podcasts. Currently if you listen to you guys probably general and retired. it's unplug. yeah super nice guy. He was just a good dude and he. You know he'll probably never know that. Yeah that one conversation. All you wanted these days. He's going to reach out and he's going to be like damn. I didn't know that. I made that much of an impression but you know it. It really works. That's an s. One of the reasons i now. It's why like saying names yet. Because you i want to know where those guys are like i would love. I would love to reconnect with some of them and go. Yeah that thing you said to me. Change my life like a hoping that like all the things that i've done. Those are all a result of that one conversation. You have me back then or none of it would've happened. I know i think about some of these people. The maiden early impression especially during that same time period and they were probably in their late forties or fifties or something of that nature because they were twenty twenty five year guys. And and i think arcade. Where am i now cheese disguise. He's probably gonna you know. Yeah yeah no older now sorta lying zometa think about it and it sucks. Because it's like damn. Why didn't you know technology wasn't the way it is now. Now you can almost reach out and touch somebody and you had to be in that town and pick up a yellow white pages and stuff back in the day in order to find somebody and orono somebody that lives in that that can find white pages and here it is today. It's more likely that if you serve with somebody somebody seven degrees away. You know maybe less can reach out and touch that person. Yeah absolutely can. And it's neat. Yeah it is really neat. So you end up going to eighty second and i'm going to a second you go and eighty second second three to five okay Yeah i was We had an outgoing mortar seconds. So i immediately took over as a mortar section in the line companies and alf company That was great. Eighty second eighty second trained a lot. I really enjoyed it it. It felt like more of what i wanted to be doing I was jumping out of planes again. You know i love that People had different experiences though too because sometimes it could be more like a kelly. He already second kind of thing. And then there was more that felt like a one seventy third ranger regiment kind of second. Yeah we used to be a little bit. We were a pretty hard charging company. Yeah we had this Former british guy now. Us army mike ir. He was four gb for a long time but little short angry british accent. Yeah asshole and but but the good thing. He crushed us all the time. Yeah and loved. It hated me. you know. he's always yelling my name van de in his little british and As a section sergeant. You're kinda like tune leader. Aren't at same time. So i have my motor section but i had to go tunes arm meetings and i had to go to a two liter meeting. Oh jeez you were meetings all the time. See what you gotta know. You got to know all the new lieutenant guy. The company commander. Well you got to know the first arm. Well and i. I think i was always in against the grain guy so like we would be in like meeting with the first aren't and eighty second. Even though we train we did a lot of like waiting on the word like you hear people say that so they would be like you know. Don't release your guys. You know petar meeting at five o'clock and we'll put out the poop as they would say and then and then you can go. Put it out to your tune in. Release your guys and i would be in the meeting and i would be like i i mean i think i'd only been there a few months and i'm like hey he'd be like what are you guys. Don't vans and i'll be like cut them loose. I aren't and it'd be like what. Why did you guys lose because every day we do this meeting. Don't give me anything that matters. I can't call them and tell them on the phone like we train hard all day. I cut him loose and he would scream and yell at me but he knew like he saw like the the time and energy and effort that i was putting into the section and they were those guys were well trained love that stuff like i love training and so he would get mad because he needed to do this. Big show of thing but he didn't do anything Spend time doing that You're jumping jumped master. School there goes eighty second did yeah yeah. Went to jump master school there Yeah eighty second. Jump master school is. That's is one of the more challenging courses. I think that i've ever done really okay. Yeah they just because they're so meticulous and hard on you about it because it's such a part of the culture there. Yeah yeah i mean. I went to freefall jump master years later as part of special mission unit and it was like you know. Champion your buddy and your buddies like not the same thing yeah. I'm not saying they didn't take it seriously and it wasn't important i'm saying they didn't apply the level of stress that they put on you and instead of glen jump master and eighty second. It's still like that. Schools feared you graduate ranger school and your third battalion. Joe masters coming up. Everybody's like we'll get the next one. No it's no joke for the bidding class. Wow but yeah So i you know to fast forward a little bit. So this is a pre war. This is all pre nine eleven Again i enjoyed it. i got like i said i got to know the between leaders in between yards all well made some friends and one. I was kind of crux where i was doing my second starting time and they wanted me to take the next step as a as eleven. Charlie wanted me to move to h h c so at the company level you had sixty millimeter mortars assigned to the line companies at h in eighty seconds. You had eighty-one so you bigger guns And they were tasked to support the entire battalion so they would be far support for whatever companies And i understood the fire. Dex patrol piece. I just really had no desire to move to see like. I didn't want to be part of that. Yeah machine. I felt like i had learned. All i can learn his eleven. Charlie wise The rest of it was just leadership positions and it really didn't interest me So i was kind of looking for something else. And i had befriended a platoon leader Guy named paul cairn and didn't know anything about like paul's background or anything. It was dad was in the army's dad. He said he always says that was a twelve bravo engineer. And you've heard me tell this is great and And so paul you know. He was a west pointer But he was he was a study was a boy scout. He he wasn't like a regular tenant. Cadets come out of west point cadets come out of rotc very different and their various magnet was my experience was the same way the the west pointers generally. They were super annoying because they've had so much leadership training to that point that they try so hard to be leaders that they forget that they really need to respect and listen to nco's him for guidance and direction Whereas whereas rotc guys tend to get along with their platoons not. It doesn't mean that they're at it or know what they're doing your clemson buddy you. They weren't and they were kids. Just like the rest of Yeah look back later on in your career. Like man lieutenants. No wonder they're dumb. It's not their fault. Young and stupid just like i am and they have even less experience at that point do right and so but paul was different. Man he was he was just. He was just wired different. He was a deep thinker Loved training he was just a nice guy but he always said his dad was was a combat engineer. And and so. He's talking me one day about what i was going to do and i was like well. You know i. I wanna go be an sf guy and he's like a green beret. And i go yeah go. We'll eventually and because now brag so you see all the people that run around brag. So i'm very aware of of everything i mean. You you got group guys. You got right. Smu you got everything right right right so i said you know i know i want to end up in in an smu and he said well what basically what are you waiting for and again like you've heard me say laughed like now because i'm like why didn't i go out the hell. Does this lieutenant know anything about any this. But he did. He knew a lot. And i just saw parts of smart guy whatever. Maybe maybe told him about that when he was in westwood. I don't know and so he's like you know you. Can you can apply and volunteer. And if they ask you to attend selection for the special mission. Unit here brag. He's like you could go straight there then. I didn't know any of that. Like what do you mean. He's like yeah eh. mls doesn't matter. He's like if you if you make it through their selection fine and you go through their training pipeline. He's like if you don't he's like then you can go to. Sf s s and. be brave. And i was like wow okay. Well that doesn't sound half bad. So i didn't tell it in the last one book so what happened. Was i went to the recruiter brief for the special mission. Unit brag took the tasks Whatever all psyched about all the stuff that you have to do. And they asked me to attend selection. And i trained and trained and trained and train and train and i went to selection and not knowing anything And i made it all the way through up until the last day before the or the day before the last event and that's typically. There's two days the day before that and then the day that i got caught those the big chop days where guys as they fail to meet the time standard gets at home so they pulled me that day and i honestly thought i was crushing it like i was good at land natve and that's the medium that they use in that particular selection course run all over the mountains you know we had snow and but i just felt like a crushed. It felt like i was fast. And i was a stud then again young any little kid but i could. I could run an could move out with a rucksack. And i was eleven charlie which you know you carried so much weight so to me the rucksack weights. Even they progressively go up throughout the selection course. It really wasn't a big deal. Like i was used to having mortar. Basic played in radios. And all this stuff. So rockin was rockin pry wasn't even basic load. No clue no wasn't even goes to about half of the way you know what i was used to jumping out of a plane with so i smoke through this thing and i pulled an all disheartening. The second time now. I've tried something and failed and i guess the saving grace out of the hot was. They said they were very positive in my exit interview. And they said we'd like you to come back Back to the to the line company and That angry british. I sergeant that had my guy was like a fucking told you so 'cause when i put in my pocket you know. Eighty second is like regiment. Yeah like when you're in regiment and you say you want to s guys don't like that. Yeah you should be here. This is the best place in the world to be. Why would you want to go anywhere else. And it's almost looked down upon especially back then. It was frowned upon to like try to go onto other things and he was like that he was very hard on me and was like you know you're not gonna make it. They don't take people like you. You don't have enough experience like all he was just bad. yeah in hindsight. I think he was trying to motivate me like he was trying to light a fire. I don't think he was actually being negative but at the time i didn't take it. Well so i come back. I'll disheartened and paul's like what happened and tell him and he's like well. You can go back right. Now is like yeah. He's like all right now. They're gonna want me to move. Ajc and he's like well. I'm gary gordon take the scout platoon. He's like why don't you just reclassify bravo income. Take a team in scouts with me. And i'm like what and you know. How do you do that. And he explained again. The lieutenant knows all this. Nobody does and all. It was was a forty-one eighty seven. It was a lateral transfer basically So we fill out the paperwork and the commander signed it. And i became eleven bravo because e five p. And points or mac sal for eleven. Charlie's they were like seven nine eight or whatever. It was hard to get promoted because there's so many less of them. Eleven bravo's there so many of them point of like four ninety nine or something which i had that immediately promoted e six and i became eleven bravo. And then i transitioned over. The scout platoon and i took a team which was unheard of for an eleven charlie And that was awesome. So paul and i worked together for a while. I waited a full year to go back to selection. But i knew that whole year so i was really motivated at work because i was trying to stay fit and do all that stuff so i enjoyed it and then i was working with guys that were much more like minded like the scout platoon was like they were like the renegades like they were really good at their job they were all pt suds and they cared about work but they also worked a little bit of a rule. Breaker d- yeah And i kind of like. Yeah a little rough around the edges like if va cheating. You ain't trying right right so you know. We would do reconnaissance missions and they'd be like you guys have to do x. y. and z. We bend the rules and just to be successful. You know and. But i enjoyed that. And and and i don't mean that about i mean like no i gotcha And then yeah so. Then i went to selection. What before that. Oh yeah Sorry so so in that year. Yes i now. I have a new selection date. I waited a year. Because i wanted to go to the same time of year and paulin route setting up some training and we were coming back from setting up that training and he said hey. Can we stop in and see. My dad said yeah sure. And i'm thinking. His dad is a sergeant major in engineering brigade and he pulled into unit compound brag and pulls up to the gate to the gate card. And i'm like what are you doing. And he's like we're going to see my dad. And i said what thought your dad was a twelve bravo combat engineer and he goes well. Yeah that's that was less. But he's he's here the unit. I go he. He's the major and i go. I don't i don't wanna go dude. I have a classmate in like three weeks. Like the units aren't major drug and he's like it's video come on so we we so we go in and meet his dad duncairn and that was the first time that i realized That paul was the dealt for sergeant majors. Kid you saw him in a different light for the league in it made sense so then it became funny because then paul would talk openly about it. He thought i knew all along. And i never knew. Yeah like i think he actually thought at one point. I befriended him because of it right. And but we figured that out that that wasn't accurate and and then he would tell stories like like funny stories to me now like he. You know the unit used to do like a christmas event And they used to fly santa claus a dude in a santa suit because his dad used to dress up as santa claus as to fly men on a little bird. Walk right stuff. they'd never knew. Now he's he's to tell a joke and he'd be like i was like fourteen years old. I thought santa delivered present some kid. Could you imagine so. Yeah so we went in. We went in and met doug and and You know he was a man a few words and he basically just said good luck And not not. Like now's like good luck passing and i just wanted to get out of there and i got to know doug after that and then Sadly sure there's a myriad of reasons. But paul left scouts he went to regiment. He was between lita regimen for awhile. Um and then he ended up when they stood up that motorized brigade in fort. Louis he had command there And then i think a combination of events and being at war years later he ended up taking his own life in afghanistan. Oh man. I'm sorry to hear that yeah So that sucked a can't imagine first family. But i think in mia and i don't know that i should even speak to it but looking back. I think he carried a lot of weight. Yeah like you know. His father had done so much for the service. And i off. And i think he put on himself. I don't think. I don't think doug ever did it but i think paul put on himself that he needed to be that much better than everybody else. And we have a train that's coming nearby And he lost some guys in combat. And i think it was more than he could bear. I think that first part. I could totally see having my own situation of a a father who demanded a lot. I could see where even if it's not demanded. There's just that level of expectation that you don't wanna let down a father that does that you know or has that kind of Commands that kind of respect or put that kind of requirement on your anything Yeah so i can totally see. It's because he's one of those guys You know now years retired like my group on the officer side like guys that i came up with a those guys are all division commanders and stuff now police have been one of those guys man he would have been with those guys stuck around forever and will be wearing three or four stars right now and he was probably in some ways being groomed. As for that. I'm sure yeah. Somebody was probably at least watching any of his wickedly. Brilliant and You know one of most intelligent people. I've ever met You know which made him weird. But i like weird zell. It made us get along. Yeah but yeah so anyway. I went back to selection that next call and now before that you actually injured. I did did Playing basketball basketball. Yeah the scout platoon. We did so much. pt To break it up like we do like fun days. So we would go over to the gym on brag whatever ritz epps jim or whatever the name of that places and adding full blown basketball court and we would play like fucking on five basketball and i sprained my ankle really bad so had teach myself how to tape like athletic tape your so i take my ankle so i could train the last couple of months leading up slection in and then i tape my ankle every single day and selection to get through it and i've said this many times but i really felt like i was slower the second time around i think i just made better decisions so typically and land navigation you know there's a bunch of ways to go from eight to be the choice that you make in the path that you take to get there determines how many days you can do that under row and how effective you are at it so you know taking the ridge line versus boston straight up the mountain or whatever But i think. I just made really good decisions. The second time around had to be efficient. Yeah and i was definitely confident. So yeah so. I got through it. Went to the board And in the board. I was really young. I was twenty three years old and they acknowledged that they brought up getting booted out of regiment Getting a dui like they addressed all those things. I don't know where they pull everything. But they had access to anything that ever happened to me and ask questions about that. And i basically said kind of same thing. I said now like those are just those bumps in the road. Those are things that helped me figure out ways to get to where i wanna be And overcoming those obstacles. I think is is a strength not a detriment and helps me be a better person and approach new tasks with a more well rounded view than i would've without that experience And they bought it. So the rest is history. Well i have somebody. That's actually on the line that is a mystery guest. I'm gonna bring in. Oh god so you there. Mr gifts i am am recognize the voice. I don't patty i do. Now how are you. I'm great how are you. i'm good. i'm good. I'm sitting here with some friends years. So you probably didn't know that patty is basically a host. We don't have our photo up or anything. I didn't know that she comes on a lot on the show and helps me out and So high toll pani. I said you know we got some person shows. I'd love for you to come in and she goes. I can't make it happen. I said i totally understand. Kinda quick notice is right after thanksgiving the whole bit and i started laying out the gas and she goes. Oh my god. I know chris and i go. You know what we could do mystery colin. I'd never done that on an episode. So here you're gonna see. Your timing is hilarious. Because so did you do that on purpose so i i graduated or dot graduated. I got selected. Yeah i went to the opera training course for six months or whatever and so nine. Eleven happened right before i went to selection. We were the nine eleven west. Virginia class And then i went to training course for six months and because the unit was already forward deployed so they deployed in the fall of a one right after nine eleven and then had continued to deploy said here. We are late spring early. Summer of two and the squadron that i was assigned to had already deployed afghanistan. So instead of finishing out the pipeline. Like most guys. I didn't finish the operator training course and then go to halo school. Because i hadn't been. I went straight to afghanistan. So i went to school after i came back. And that's where. I met bad cough so patty has some interesting stories. I'm sure that she can share with us. Oh god yeah um first of all. Thank you so much for having me. And chris what i actually said when he he's i mean. Listen three names. And i said oh i really wanna co host with chris. Pantheon i love chris and you wanna fly down. I was like Anyway he exactly. I said i said i have a couple of great christopher. He's that are Awesome and i and i started with. I think chris is one of the youngest guys. Ever go through selection so I was a great big way. I didn't know a lot of your beginning. Although i've listened to a couple of your podcast and for But the story. That i i love the share is it was it. Was you big. Jim and mike mcnulty and That was my. That was my second. Yeah was my second. Where was i. Where was i assigned. Yeah okay. I i wasn't i wasn't signed with you. I was in another tier unit. Yes you are you guys. There was a lot of mystique behind. Who were in your the first three. I ever met so on a personal right. Yes so let me add some context. So because so the smu's do close courses For out of out of a different location in arizona. So they don't you don't go to like regular freefall candidates the army Typically there's smu heavy classes where it's guys coming from the navy side Tier one unit in the army side. Tier one unit. So you're in your free fall. Class with basically a bunch of operators just got out of school on from one of the two branches In my case. Because i didn't go. I didn't go with my class. Graduated upper training course. I went later. There were three of us all three guys. That went to see squadron That went to another course. Oh still closed course. But it was kind of a hodgepodge from different elements so patty correct me about it. We called it. The clerk jerk class lurks church so so we have the girl. Yeah two of you right. Yeah and and and they were from a different special mission unit on the army side and then we had some navy seabees that support sof and then we had we had a Air force What do you call the Vj no no no no not the blue angels that thunderbirds didn't we have. We had a thunderbird pilot. You the navy guy wasn't he. Maybe he was a blue angel pilot he was he was like And our higher headquarters. I think he was like the glow or something like that. I can't remember. But i didn't even remember him but i i'm sure i'll pull up the video later and watch it and laugh so how. How a blue angel fighter pilot. Getting ready to ends are free fall. I mean you but to patty's going kirk jerks interesting class. The mike jim. And i were the only three mail operators coming from a special mission unit time And that yes of putting our in that class go further you three had a mini van as your wrestle freight. I'm driving a mini van. dijk appears. Here's here's these. These people that i had held up on a pedestal. Even when i served with him. I thought there were. You know great respect but they also drive a minivan. So my favorite. Which i've been dying to tell and i know you know it was. We we finished we. I mean the only reason we had to come in the next day with the like sweep the floor and get our certificates or whatever you came in. You remember the story. That's even better. I notice it's going to hurt on your forehead. That was like it was like a cartoon character like bruise. You swollen up. Like 'cause someone you like happened right and and it was big jim that you was probably acting a fool on everything right into the picture year. Maybe like maybe you're five ten. Maybe you were one seventy at the time. And i'm probably like tall and big. Jim was probably four to forty Maybe with his legs missing. I did so we. We went out and had a good time. Yeah and you know jim. Jim is a big teddy bear. He was he was fantastic operator and a good friend and like most big guys. He's sort of. He's sort of gentle natured. And when you're the little guy hanging out with the big guy you know it's like what are we doing now. Spike and so i was always like poking and prodding and we had had to drink and i was like wrestling with him or something and he we. We're in a car. Like drive. In somebody else's driving and i was like maximum from the backseat and he and he had had enough and because i was drinking i didn't catch it. I didn't catch that switch. Yeah yeah and at some point he nailed me and it was. It was one of those. It was one of those like like single thing. Yeah and then okay. You hug each other. And you're fine like i like the thump to the head made me realize i was being. I can't believe you just brought that up. So i did. I came in the next day to get our certificates. This giant over i was astle. That's a great story in. I think that what's your call about that is it's something that you guys you know you can share together and then the memories of those individuals that you ended up serving with as well you know you guys use some names and stuff but i think there were some really cool guys that you guys mentioned you know in that story and the did amazing things. Yeah they did. They did Mike and jim are both good friends. mike as patty knows we lost in two thousand five That was yup yup. Every time mike mike was a close friend. Mike was a good person. Patty knows how great mike was and yeah could family still in touch with his wife day. So mike mike was the guy that when i met the three of you. Mike was what i expected. When i in my mind said this is this is what someone from the organization is like it was. It was mike. You all super talented in your own way but but might fit that mold. And and i share the story with Rob that right after. I got reassigned to your unit and you guys were deployed. And i was walking down the hall and i'd never been there. I was one of the few people that knew nothing about it. Just wound up there. I'm walking down the hall. I'm see the memorial court which which is one of the most amazing places in the world to me and the last name i saw was michael. Which was the most recent one inscribed. And i didn't even know him obviously the way you did but it just hit me like a ton of bricks like wow this this is all very very real And i remember. I remember when you guys came home i was like. I can't wait till these guys come home early. The only people. I know. But i just can't wait till they come home. Yeah i forgot That that was the year that you got to the organization but yeah interesting times. I remember the first time i saw you. I was like what are you. What are you doing here. You already work for a special mission unit. Why are you at another one. Yeah well patty. I don't know if you remember not to jump ahead but And i'm sure you guys know this you know. Patty had an accident was hit by a car. How do you jump in whenever episode one eighty two just so you know. Almost eighty episodes ago so But but you. And i had a conversation In in your recovery before you decided to take the leg off. And i think i was the first person that told you to talk to bobo to talk to bob sandwich about his decision right and and so for context while i mean i guess you told your accident story on your podcast right patty. Yes yeah yes. So she was. Recovery was a mess and we had some other folks in the building that had had similar things And guy bobo that we both know. I was working in combat development director at. He was a a an assault or in the sabre squadron and he fell off a building and shannon both his ankles. And was you know on meds and basically just never gonna be the same and the docs game. Who decision of can we can. Just take that foot off. Prosthetics come a long way and you can go back to be fully functioning on basically And we'll get you off. The beds and bobo made that hard choice while now here we are a few years later and then patty basically faced with that same choice and and we had a conversation i said and this is like you need to talk to to bo-bo yeah like an like. How do you say that you should shop your foot all right all right. No i don't know if. I i don't know if i shared on interview my conversation with bobo but i remember. We went to the library. Which is another very cool room there and He was so great and so franken. I said i need you to tell me the worst thing about it. Because i saw the good sides. I saw him running. I saw other folks running into play again and doing things they tell me what the worst thing about it and he was. So frankie said When i get an helicopter. I can't bend my knees up this close because the back of my sock it my thigh and so i take it more room than the rest of the guys in the helicopter and i feel really badly about that. Like that's what he said to me. And i looked at him and i was like. That's that's the worst thing is an interior thinking about others. Not even himself and he's like that's the worst thing and i'm like okay. I'm going to get a date. Yeah and you did and it was i. I don't know if you know like how impressed and proud of you so many people were like to make that decision and then to come back and do all the things that you've done after that are just incredible. I think i hope you know what an inspiration yard of people that have had injuries like that. like i i've never had anything catastrophic. Fortunately but but we both know a bunch of people that have. I'm sure that you give a lot of amputees hope and you and yeah you made the choice. You didn't yeah. you weren't forced into it. You make that decision which is amazing. i appreciate that and i and i give that credit back to people like bob and brad and and even going through physical therapy the person that probably needs to be interviewed next as our physical therapist because she was amazing because nobody put any limitations on what i could or couldn't do In invited you said you know. I wanna i wanna do this again. I wanna do that again. It was like let me help facilitate this and make make it successful for you and i remember my first jump back The unit commander was like. What are you doing now. While there's joe i'm gonna be on it right and i was joking around and i had like tape the bottom of my foot to my flight because i was like. Hey this falls off. I'm going to whistle. How did you get hurt. I got hit my falling from the time with like i will do a report a survey and make you pay for that if you lose it like when you when you when you said you ask bobo. What what the worst thing was. I don't know maybe it wasn't the right timeframe but so bobo re he deployed with the squadron post. Yeah getting prosthetic as an operator on back with the team and it it it is different. Like you're not. You're not as you can't do as many things like you used to do but he did it For at least a rotation. I thought he would have told you so. Bobo was a guy from from new england area and he was a giant red sox fan and he's takes prosthetic off at night and his team took a new york yankees just thick enough that he wouldn't necessarily tell 'cause he didn't have a lot of feeling in his in his stump where he put it on. They put a yankees logo in the bottom of his leg and he put it on board around all day so when he took it off. He had this imprint of the yankee logo on his leg. Dad's is wrong and if you're a red sox fan and someone did that to you. Yeah i remember that so. We talked about mcnulty. I think one of the things that might be good is this is right around the time frame. If i remember correctly you decided that you wanted to go to. Sas in q. to go to be a green beret because you went into the move out of your current mos and this is something that joys wanted to do in. This was the perfect up. There was if i understand correctly there was never a perfect opportunity but if there this was the time that was decided. Yeah it was. So yeah i had. I had that my first appointment with a with a special machine was oh. I was afghanistan and no to Came home refit Retrain for new mission set ended up. Johnny evasion of iraq in three So that was a dozen mobility mission. That was cool. Lot of stuff happened on that trip. Learn a lot of lessons came home for a couple of months and we surged and we went back over that winter That was rotation where we did capture saddam hussein The battlefield started changing slightly before that And then progressed into the next phases of iraq which was counterinsurgency basically So did another rotation in In early oh. Four post-saddam capture where we basically transitioned into counter-terrorism work in hunting bad guys that were tend to destabilize the country or to you know harm americans a horror iraqis And then i guess that lead. Into summer of four we surged again in the fall of oh four And came back. So i had you know. Four plus a couple of slice deployments under my belt some really successful operations. We had had some tough times. We've had some good times But i was an empty guy. You know you could go to. Smu from any mos And i love it. I was doing and didn't think i would ever leave the organization but in the event that i chose to or or did leave the organization. I wanted to stay in the soft community so to do that. I had to go to the sf qualification course and having been through the smu selection wasn't required to go sfa s. I could go straight into the queue so basically. I just had to pick an less. That i wanted to pursue and i would start off in phase two or whatever it was that small unit tactics. We still had to do that. Okay so you had a had a discussion with the team after that last deployment And this is going into five now and again. There's no good time to do it. i think we're all a little beatdown down that same team we had done three or four rotations together with the same core group of guys I'd basically done the same job. Like i'd been breaching and running a gun with those guys for four straight years and kinda tired. I didn't realize that i was tired At least that tired mentally but it had warned me down And we'd experience some loss along the way but nothing as a unit nothing catastrophic yet I'd yeah we had some ups and downs but so i decided to go the q. Course in five I picked eighteen echo Because they wouldn't let me go to the delta course. I actually really wanted to do that. But it was too long. And they said yeah. You're not leaving for that wall And the echo said cut out Morse code so it was only six months or whatever so it was either one of those. Thank god things to yeah. I mean i'm weird. I i i wanted to learn it so out of bummed out when i found out they cut it out. Yeah because it's an old school thing that absolutely yeah. I just thought it was neat. But i was a history buff in like that stuff. You know guys the pow camp tap and code of each other secret to coterie staff but Yeah they want to learn about weapons. I had plenty of weapons training and a eighteen. Charlie didn't appeal to me. I didn't really want to build stuff and a new more about bombs than i ever cared to learn at that point so eighteen echo. I thought i would learn some things. So i went to eighteen course and while i was in My squadron deployed again And on that deployment And i've talked about this on other podcast before. But you know basically what happened while i was in the q. Course was a new guy that came to my team that took over his team breach. Because i wasn't there. was killed that rotation In your place in my place put in charge on the door And then sometime after that They hit a target. And you know act in following targets were a current so he hit the first set of buildings or building and it would be a dry hole. As we say you wouldn't get the guy you're after and then intel or other information would lead you to bounce to another objective and you do it right then and there so when you ask you to follow on target you lose the elements of qb. You lose. Speed surprise and violence of action. Basically all you have is. We're gonna go really fast and be angry But they know you're coming they now. You're there like that element of surprise that makes you successful without having to pull. The trigger is now gone So your likelihood forgetting in a gunfight goes up exponentially when you do a follow on target. And that's what happened They did a follow on target And you know who was. Probably one of my better friends. At the time guy mike mcnulty And then another getting bob horrigan whose legend that had been there for a really long time. Mike and i came to school together as patty and our talked about earlier but Mike and barbara book killed on saint target following target and then it went on even further There was another event where again i wasn't there. So i'm paraphrasing but the true packages salt teams win in the house There was exchange of gunfire My team that. I wasn't there Took the brunt of it What was my team leader at the time. Even though i wasn't there ended up getting trapped in a room and trading rounds with the guy and then trade frogs with a guy At home and crap. So mikey his name. Mike Mike hefner Took a hennigan seventy-one holes or something in his body from for asthma Lived mike's find this day and went on went back to work. And wow you know continued on. And he's retired. Now your doors zone thing and don't great job but So basically in in that single rotation. I lost A guy didn't know that was filling my shoes. I lost a guy that i considered one of my best friends. In the organization that was very similar to me as a regular guy came to the unit. So we a lot in common We lost a another unit member. That i looked up to that was kind of a mentor to anybody. Who's ever around bob. Horrigan you couple that with the guys that we lost prior it was it was just a really tough year Both for our squadron and the squadron deployed after us Had an idea incident where they had some guys killed much guys injured and they were guys that i knew So five was just a overwhelmingly a catastrophic year And so i didn't know at the time you know. I've learned a lot in studied a lot. But looking back on that what i was experiencing at that time from not being there Was survivor's guilt Again didn't know what it looked like didn't know why and this was all kind of cumulative at the same time in my life where i talked about breaching nausea team breach for a few years in combat And this is before we knew anything about t be higher or any of that stuff but the long and short of it is. I was repeatedly day after day and training and in combat putting explosive charges on the door and blowing them in very close proximity to myself and my teammates and that repeated exposure to low blasts ruptures but vessels capillaries in your brain and is one of the things that contributes to traumatic brain injury or mild traumatic. Brain injury So i think that oh five. Stretch was wear. That stuff started catching up to me So everything from self doubt of Fear of isn't my time. If i go back If i was over there would. That have been me if i was over there. Could things have been different in. Those guys could have lived. I mean you name it kind of all piled on that year And i think like most of us did then i- compartment of that stuff. I shoved it in a box I think we all learned that cycle of events and guys deal with different ways. But i was very much compartmentalize guy. I wouldn't take whether was trauma or good or bad or whatever it all fit neatly into its little box in my brain and then i pushed it in the corner and moved onto the next thing. yeah how do you how do you do that. You know what i mean like. You're going through all this stuff and you nazar civilian. You have more civilian conversations. I'm always talking to people in their. This bad thing happened in someone got sector. They lost a job or something like that. They seem kind of stock and look at my peers in the military and they have these traumatic events time after time after time. And they're just trucking along. Yeah and they use their careers metric. Meaning all the gates. I'm getting promoted on tom. You know excelling and so they kind of miss that. Yeah for me. i finished the q. course And wanted to get back to the team like i said basically my not only did i lose some friends in those things happen. But my whole team got shot up in a single rotation So i got back from the queue and we had brought a guy over from another troop Actually two guys and then we got a bunch of new guys and we basically started from scratch so for me. I took all of that trauma and drama. And i shoved it in a box and shoved it in the corner and i went to my box of training and mission focused and i just threw myself into work in the guys And when you know when it would start creeping back in you know at that point in my life. I i was chasing it away with with alcohol with whatever with things to focus on and that like most guys experienced that becomes very destructive. You you're looking for ways to suppress the negative and then you're also looking ways for ways to fill the void of of the adrenaline Which unfortunately in home station. We tend to fill that with drama so we do things to tear ourselves down. We do things to create drama. We do things to create risk. It's almost self destructive and that that oh five oh six stretches. I think when while a lot of but me in particular is one. Really start experiencing that joe. Did you ever like get to a position where you you emotionally disconnected yourself from like before that you may have built stronger relationships and everything else on the team and you know with the guys and everything after that. Did you find yourself just same ban. I want to get too close because it could happen again. Yeah paul paul. Knocked about this off. Mike but You know the the bonds that you build the military or some of the best you ever will on your life and typically speaking especially early in my career you know you you met and worked with people when you got to know guys in certainly my first team in a special mission unit. We were tight. I knew a lot about him. I they were friends. They were teammates We were very close Post five and those events. I think part of that compartmentalization shut stuff out. Yeah i stopped talking. I didn't tell family stuff. I didn't tell didn't let guys in As a defense mechanism. Yeah i mean before that even with my home life leading up to a deployment. In the time in which. I started doing that until eventually just did it. All the time the time leading up to a blunt where i would start shutting everything off because i was on a deployment and different guys. Different ways we had access and the ability to communicate with home whenever we want it. Basically i didn't i. I had two speeds head combat. Chris and i had home. Chris and i had two little girls at home and interesting. That was the only way. I can do it. I couldn't i couldn't carry them overseas at me. Yeah to to do what. I was doing Or at least mentally. I didn't feel like i could be as effective. I had shoved them in the home box. And okay. I'll go back to that mode when i get home and when i'm at work i'll be at war mode and the the scary part and where you now looking back. You realize you were becoming very unhealthy and it wasn't good for you is that being at war was easier than being at home and now now look at that and i'm like wow like how did i ever think that would like what part of me looked at that and went. Yeah this is okay. I just wanted to play again. Because i feel better over there. Like that's scary. Yeah that's really hard. I remember being overseas and walk into them to. You are getting to the door and turn right back around. Because i'm like. I can't take my mind out of where i'm at now and it's easily justified because lives on the line. If you're not one hundred percent focused and you've hardened yourself to do this thing that's basically impossible to go into these high stress situations where you're i mean. You're you're tempting fate every night or every day and and then you're supposed to go talk to your girlfriend or your wife or your family about the vacation you're gonna take but you just quit with somebody's boots up in front of a formation a day ago That's yet and i think that's kind of is think we. We didn't realize well at least for me almost every experience i've had in my life. Was you face adversity. In whatever form it you either win or you lose when your face without adversity and then how you react afterwards is the difference and so you you suck it up you pull your pants up and you move on. So i had built in this condition response to problems or adversity of okay. I'm gonna try harder. Yeah and it was. It was never about looking at myself and going okay. How did that impact me. How do i feel what is it doing to my life. How is it affecting my decision. Making i didn't know to ask myself those questions. I just went. It's challenge. i have to get through this. I read a good quote the other day. The guy georgia more he was a world war two fighter pilot and he was like an ace in world war two and then post war. He had a horrible crash where he tumbled at the end of the runway and burn up in the wreckage and burn over. Ninety percent of the body lost both his legs and sky guy wannabe motivational speaker. And the quote was. There's the what is it. There's winners and there's losers the only difference between a winner and a loser. Loser tried one more time. And i read that house like man. That's like my life in really simple sentence what you just had a great lakes where you just described seriously like yeah like. I lost a lot in but i didn't. I never looked at it like that's it. I mean the one time. I did like i was talking about back leaving regiment. And i was all distraught and that battalion commander brought me back and said now man like dobie paratrooper again like you can do this. We'll get that. That lesson carried through. And i made lots of mistakes. You know i. I messed up so many times and but every time. That's just kind of how i looked at it. Like okay. learn from that. I won't do that again but i need to. Buck up and go do this. And i think i felt trick treated that stuff like that. The catastrophic things happen. I feel this way. I don't know if i'm going to do this. I don't know how i feel about this. But you know what there's winners losers and i'm going to be a winter so i'm just gonna suck it up and fight through this and that's what carried me back But you know eventually that gets to be too much. 'cause you're not doing the things you need to do that box that you shove things in is only so big and sooner or later stuff's going to start spelling back out of it. I think that's what a lot of people you know. That are struggling. Don't realize you know that We've had guests on. Says you know yeah. I compartmentalize that Here's a hard shell around. That is calcified and we're talking about something ten years ago. I don't know that. I can open it up because it's been so long ago and i think there's a bit of i don't know if i want to open that up it's calcified for a reason it is and i still don't know the answer that question. Yeah i i mean. I kept things bottled for a long time. I do find that. I don't have catastrophic events. Now that i have learned how to be okay with it and to open that stuff up so it doesn't it doesn't spill over at a time when i'm not anticipating Because the door to that box is open for lack of a better term I think communicating about it is absolutely healthy. I think not being afraid to share that and it doesn't have to be big. It could be tell your spouse until that person. That's next to you till your team may till somebody look this design. Feel now because once you start doing that you find that there's so many people out there would similar feelings and experiences and it might be from a different vet but how you're feeling is very very similar and when you start sharing yours and you start hearing other people's that's like the first step to being okay with it all and not allowing it to build up to a point where it's catastrophic. We talked about that off. Air about just doing the podcast. And how that's been for us something. That's been cathartic. And i've heard that also from other people that there was a lot of hesitation anxiety before getting to the microphone. Of course it's very it's not natural to set with headphones on a microphone in front of you and then pour your soul out Yet when individuals to start talking about their their life their story and everything else they may not even realize that mike is in front of them that somebody else on the other end is listening and now he does it have we heard back from individuals. Said oh my god. I got home and i told my spouse. I'm so glad i did that. It was the best thing that ever happened to me while you also impacted somebody. That was listening. And that's the beauty of sharing your story and you're going out there and doing what you're talking about so you giving advice to other people says hey get out there talk about it journal do whatever you gotta do to get it out of your system and stuff. They also need to know that when they do that they could very well help. Save somebody else absolutely. Yeah i mean you take not just the level of suicide. That occurs is absolutely ridiculous. I remember the first time. I told someone that i sat on the end of the bed with a gun in my mouth And i remember like at myself from the outside in thinking. I can't believe. I just said that to another human being now. I don't have a problem with it at all. It's it's like that winners and losers quote note. No this happened. I faced it whatever strength or however i got through that that at the end of the day i did. I moved on in if me saying that to another human being that says look me this regular guy that you know has messed up more times than you can count. That was fortunate and lucky enough to be a part of an amazing organization surrounded by good people that lifted me up and made me better. And i got to do a lot of extraordinary things. If this guy did that can get through that and can talk about it and be comfortable with being vulnerable and talking about it. Then maybe they can to and The podcast thing it's it's astounding and like people don't get it. I don't think yeah because it's really hard to do when you come from a community that doesn't talk And some of it's a little war story but you gotta give some context. Sometimes you have to give people some background but the people that reach out to you after you say. Those things are incredible. And that's what changed the game from. That's what made it okay. As hard as it's the city or do this Even with like minded people like you guys in and ones that have done in the past the the questions that you get in the things that people say to you are incredible and you realize that were in a day and age where gesture voice in the words that you say can touch a whole lot of people and can change someone's life that's second whether it's motivating a young kid that's coming up in the sir law enforcement or whatever or whether it's helping a guy that sat on his bed last night with a gun in his mouth That is powerful. And that's worth doing and that's why we'll continue to do it. That's the same for for me honestly because it Was probably a couple of years ago. More in the beginnings of doing the podcast. When i had somebody on. And and i remember sitting around the table with my kids and my family and i shared a bit of it and said wow i just i just did this episode and and my my family just had this blank stare. They were all looking back at me and they go. You gotta keep this you know. And that's when it kinda hit me of how you know you think about it. You know it is powerful. It's it's a medium that we need to take. I know there's a lot of podcasts. That are out there and stuff. But i think we're not gonna break a stigma. We're not gonna break a culture change things unless there's enough people that do come forward and ensure their their story and their journey and express that listen it's me i'm still the same guy i just happened to tell you know what happened in that. It's not over either. No not even close. And i think that's important for people to understand like i don't get me wrong I'm blessed and fortunate. And i have a lot of great things about my life my careers. Fantastic company workforce testing. My wife is fantastic. I have a really good support system. Now and some great friends My circle small some great friends but i still struggle among the are still struggle with depression. That stuff creeps back in. Yeah i you know. Struggle with an emotional governor have ups and downs and You know like we're talking about off mic. The differences is now. Because i've gotten help because i've talked to people because of learned from people because listened and then i've not been afraid to put myself out there and say those things and expose myself now. I know what it looks like. I know what it feels like so when those things start to happen i have learned healthy ways to pull myself out of it to be that winter And to do the do the things that i need to do to stay on the healthy path. Have you ever like stood back. Just said on my god i have. Everything's clear now. I have a lot of clarity and no no. No because you know it's like it's like anything else. It's like It's like shooting or it's you know the shooting analogy since the audience is probably all into guns. But you know you're on the range and some guy whether it's a team leader an instructor or something like that gives you some little nugget and you're like yeah that's great news and you use it and you get better. That particular day gets better and a couple of weeks ago. By and then something goes outta whack and you're like what happened in life is the same way like you fix one thing and another thing pops up. I think the key is is figuring out what works for you in any of those situations being open to new ideas being open to communication but figuring out what works for you and then recognizing when you are struggling and then figuring out how to pull yourself out of that. I think that is but no no. I don't ever feel like i've got to figure it out but that's the point i think that's the real lesson here is you're not gonna figure it out you're going to work towards you're gonna improve. You're going to get better. And contrary to what we were told or taught or expected at the outset of the thing when they started saying okay people are getting. Ptsd this is a real thing. Ti's real thing and then they pump you full meds this pills gonna fix it and then it doesn't it comes to all these side effects and things like that. That's so discouraging in through this podcast into talking to people like you. I've learned like okay. Well it's not just one magic bill that's gonna fix me and maybe i'm not ever going to be one hundred percent fixed but i'm gonna find a way to move through this and it's going to be positive it's not gonna be detrimental to my health and i'm going to do that by talking kidding outsider exploring my different options. Some of them don't work. But that's means i'm one step closer to another thing that does work right. Yeah i think all the obstacles and challenges that we face actually while us a combat analogy your first combat deployment. You're you're clueless you. You your reactionary. I mean you do what you're trained to do. Regardless of what level. You're at i think Even at the highest levels You don't know until the first time. You're in a gunfight and then every subsequent time that you get into gunfighter stuff happens in your face adversity and overcome it those that opening up of the aperture that visibility that listening that sensing that feeling gets broader nice called spidey sense by the time you've done four or five combat deployments. The hairs on the back of your neck would stand up before she went bad and some some guys believe that some guys. Don't i swear you can feel it in. It's almost that you're just paying that much more attention. And i think that you you have to carry that into the other aspects of your life later on to be healthy so you got to open up that after you've got to not be afraid to look at yourself to listen to other people to recognize things when they happen and then see it. No it's there and then do something about it And like the like. I said it still happens all the time. But that's why. I asked you about the clarity because it comes out like as if i have a better. Cincinnati better awareness now. But we still don't catch it. Yeah you know at home when i have depressed events. I don't know right away. it's it's you know my wife will say something like like. Are you doing all right or whatever. The conversation is Not not to get into personal stuff. But she'll see him before i will. She's right next to me. You know your buddies will see it before you will. Your co workers will see before you and then pointing that out. You can't be afraid of that. You gotta you gotta take a second think about it. And sometimes like i won't be great and she'll say something and i'll be like now Whatever and then the. Next day i'll go. Hey you know what you're right. i'm. I'm sorry i i am struggling right now and i've got some stuff going on and then you may be confident. Maybe that's the conversation may be doesn't but at least you've acknowledged to that there's people that are your support network And more importantly for yourself you knowledge it and then you just go okay. Well what. I gotta do so you spent. How many years. Total within the army Twenty okay yeah and how many within. Smu nine okay. He added dilemma informants and then i left the union Again i made another mistake. it was at a point in my career. Where an again. This hindsight. I didn't know All the things that were wrong with me. I didn't realize that i was dealing with post traumatic stress at didn't realize that i had t b. I i didn't know what survivor's guilt. What didn't all this bags i was carrying was divorced. I went through a phase posted neck surgery and got hooked on prescription meds. Post that the only way. I could feel right. It's taken themselves on sleep pills. I was on pain pills. I was drinking And you change as a person as a stretch of my life in there again. We're almost my life. Where i don't even remember stuff it's gone And then you know you you fight through some of that but around two thousand eight two thousand nine. I was coming off. My last couple deployments and had various things happened during that stretch. I didn't know how messed up. I was I didn't realize all things. I was doing to myself people around me And i made a poor decision on one of my on my very last appointment And you know at the time a myriad of things led up to me being asked about that event. And i own it and said yeah. This is what happened And i was sort of had to leave for a year Are two years or whatever it was. So i left the unit and So back to the core story. I'll i'll get lighter since. I was a little heavy but so i wanted to corus. I graduated q. Course in two thousand five. Yeah i went back to the unit after you've course and then redeployed just went back to work like normal when i graduated course. They didn't give me my mos why and they didn't give me matab because General parker who was the swick commander. It's time change the policies that care if coming from smu or not. If you go through course. You're not getting your tab or unless you got language school. Why had been gone for six months. I had a deployment coming up. My major was like you're not going to language school. come on back. we'll work. That out later was okay. Why didn't care now. Fast forward to two thousand nine. We'd never worked it out. So i'm still an eleven bravo even though i'm q. Course graduate attempt fifty nine saying i graduated the q. Course so i have to leave the unit and trying to figure out where i was going to go. The is super helpful when you leave. It's not like they just banish. You do existence. Are you an eight at this time. Yeah he eight again So i ended up going the only job that i could pick. That had where. I could still do things that i wanted to do. Was in eighty second was eighty second layer so i went eighty second lurch to be the first gen on. My guys are lucky because at least it was the halo billet. Yeah so i out rank the guy that was their existing. I but i didn't really want the job like i knew i was going to do something so he was whereas technically i should have relieved him is like not man as like you. Just you stay in that billet. I'll call me like the absurd. And or something and i'll help with training and jumps and all that stuff so it was kind of a cool year Just trained in some of those young guys that were hungry. And they were assigned to eighty second combat aviation brigade at the time so they pulled them out from the m i battalion. They originally slotted under and they moved nurse and tournament of pathfinder company and put them under the combat aviation brigade. So here's this. Little platoon of basically eleven bravo's in an entire brigade of aviators cut. It was weird. I bet it a lot of leeway doing so. But while i was there i was miserable and i was there. I lost my identity. I've talked about that another podcast. That was that was a catastrophic blow to my psyche To have everything that you thought you were in that defined you stripped away from you But while i was there i was sitting around one night after some training with our exa and The other guy that was the first art and the company commander and we have whatever shooting shit and the xs name was holland. John mullin. i didn't this is the second time in my life where this is occurred. It happened. i with paul karen. Where i didn't know who paul was. Never put it together. And i built this friendship with this guy with one side thinking i knew something in me. Not knowing whatever. It was bolivia's right. Maybe i'm self absorbed but so his. Name's john mahala put together that his dad is john holland who was then used sock manner so general holland general maha great. So we're having a conversation and he finally because he's known me for a few months now gets up the courage to go he man. How the hell did you end up here. Like you were a unit operator for all these years. That all these deployments like what's going on like. Tell me the story so tell my story like yeah. Here's what happened yeah. Problem with q. Course no five. They didn't give me the west. Because of the language identifier thing baba blocked the part that i skipped over was i actually did. I did thirty days of spanish immersion. i got A one one in spanish. And i went over to the schoolhouse at swick this year prior to that before i left the unit and handed them my ten fifty nine from the q. My certificate and my language one and they told me we can't make sf guy because you're an ea and you can't go from being a regular army the eight to us right. And i go you understand that i have. I have everything eight years of rated own time that says equivalent to sf oda on purpose. And they're not gonna do it. Personality thing was what was so. Now here i am. I've lost my daddy. Eighty second l'urss. I'm not an operator. And like i'm back in i just got a dui mode richler. Old theater. I need a handout. I need somebody a mess. Mentally and physically You know i'm laughing. Because can now. Because i'm still here talking to you but but at the time it wasn't funny so i'm telling the saurian he's listening and he's like man. You got to do something about that. Like that's ridiculous and i'm like i don't want him to do about a man who's gonna ride it out. They were getting ready to deploy afghanistan. I was not gonna afghanistan. I was in the middle of ugly divorce. Like just flat out told the commander. Like i'm not deploying like i'll be your rear dude. I'm not doing it. And they let me get away with it. But i was. I was kinda candid and then i was like i'm fucked up. Yeah yeah and so. He leaves that night he goes home. Calls old man says dad you got do something about this tells them my story and i don't know big john john from adam and so the next day work and he goes. Hey my dad wants to come see him and right then i looked at his name tape and the light bulb went off after knowing the six. We is your dad. Hungary and he goes. Yeah and i go no. I'm not going to sit here. And he's like what do you. What do you mean you can fix. This and i go this is not what. Nco's do not. I am not jumping over everybody in the chain of command and going to see the usa commanding general to complain about my problem right and he's like well but but he's a general. Look i go. You tell your dad that afterwards. I go to the at him nicely. I said you tell your dad tell perry bear. Who's the use of socks major to have perry contact the unit and tell them to come see come. Yeah and i go. And then if he wants to take me in journal general and that's fine but at least i'm not like everybody who's like i just wouldn't feel right about it. So he laughs and says okay so he calls us that his dad does that okay literally so bear calls me up there to see him and then we go into see big john and it was like a ten second conversation. He was like you know. Hey my voice speaks really highly of you. He gave me the background. He's like i don't need to hear anymore. Perry fix it fix it now get him is eighteen series and pull this back into the fold somewhere in the bubble workout. Damn so thousands. How'd you feel like walking out of there. I mean like did you feel like maybe a sense of. It's okay. i'm back. it was. It was a little win in a time of my life. When i was really really low and people didn't know i mean like work wise like i could fake it. Good like when we were working in training it was like always. I could shove the box back in the corner and i could do that stuff so you know. I'm sure none of those kids knew it. But they didn't see me away from work How self destructive. I was and how literally messed up. My life was so yeah. He did so they call down. They fixed it. I went over swick like two days later and they handed me my knife that they never gave me. And while and they handed me my tab orders and my mos orders and perry said when you get all that the starting to bear when you get all that squared away. Call me and we'll figure out what we're going to do with you. And so i called him and he said Hey i got a new task force in san pakistan. I'd like you to go head that up and be like the nco. I see and he's like you have more experience than plug in that position and again i had i've 'cause i knew i was not well i said i can't i can't do it and i looking back on like a believer. These people did all the stuff for me. And i told them no you over and over and but at the same time. I don't know that i'd be here. Like i don't know i was so reckless at the time. I don't know that i would have survived Whether i'd done it myself or whether i'd got myself in a situation where something bad happened. But i told him. I couldn't do it and he goes all right. Well you got twenty four hours to find a job. And i'm like okay and he didn't mean it bad he met like i. You know people start calling around and tell me where you're going to go. Yeah and so. I did so in a panic. Start calling people and called a buddy of mine. Randy williams was The j. aided j. sox at dawn equipping stuff and a call. Rainy and i said he got something for me and he goes i. Don't he goes but sock does and he psyched. Call guiding peak. Cool said copied it. You suck. I called and rain. Hit already called him impeach like love to have you. He's like you can come over and take over targeted gays or if you're right now and he said in that time taking a step back from an active combat role in the points that you were able to find some healing and kinda back to i was yeah lot lot of self reflection. I also meet a lot of new guys. Got to meet guys from all over the you know. Sf command world show from different groups. Different experiences. Some really good dudes. I learned that you know everybody's got a story and and you gotta you gotta ask them and get to know it to hear it And that you can learn from all those dudes like I i know. I guess a number of years i thought i was special and nothing else was going on but i quickly learned than that. Oh yeah all kinds of stuff was going on. That you didn't know about on the sf side So that was awesome. And then i enjoyed the equipment piece. I enjoyed identify problems. capability gaps within the force or being brought those and then going out and finding solutions are are working with companies to help build develop solutions And that was sort of a great Introduction to industry And you know that was kind of win. The light bulbs started going off of. I can see myself doing some other things away from the military that i don't just have to be this former. Smu guy this former green beret and knowing for certain but that i could do some other things that i could use the skills and experiences that i had had acquired over the years to feed into that next career so yeah i did four years. The first couple of years. I was the solar system's commodity lead as we grew the shop. And then i took over as deputy chief and then we didn't have any os believe it or not. We had like twenty three guys. I mean w four got it. Sounds wonderful guy named mike mccann. It was amazing. Reader was the commanding general of sf command at the time and reader. A pro- Appro guy on the ground Commanding general And his his cheap staff at the time was a guy named Mattress and both guys were were green berets green berets like they were good dudes. They weren't what you would call the guy that just brennan took over. Mcdermott brennan brennan. Did who i honestly brennan was my first trip commander in the smu. Okay i was going to ask you about that. I didn't i. Just i actually i just saw bam bam as we call them but general brennan at a at a law. Unfortunately i had a funeral up in dc a few weeks back but it was good to catch up with him. Yeah he was just down in seventh grade. The guy that you're talking about Major brand replaced. I watched a lot of videos that that first special forces command put out on him giving leadership discussions to his leadership team. And all of that. And wow that guy. I mean i reached out to first special forces command said. Hey kim can we get him on the podcast because yeah. I don't know if he would do it or not. When i saw the funeral he'd been oh not in major john brennan second the general before reader reader would probably come. Yeah he i mean he's in private sector now and yeah. It's so so to rounded out the great experience at great leaders there had great co workers at guys it allowed me and helped me heal and recover and i think that experience Opened up a lot of doors for me. It opened up a lot of space in my mind to look at different things In introduced me. To what i do now and so The same. i peek gould at the pulled. Me into yusaku. Before i ended up down at sf command And got me into that that equipment development world. He came in office one day and he said hey you need to run out to two thirty seven and there was a sniper compass going on and vendors use to set up outside the sniper components brag every year and i said why did he said you know i was going to go out. He goes no. You need to go meet this guy. Jason beck that just coming here. Tactical company diamondback tactical sold that a number of years ago head and to your on kapiti starting tear and i said it's not a kick. I need to go meet him. And i said because you guys are similar. And he said that. I think you'll like him and you'll have a lot in common so i'd like you to go see some stuff that he's doing so i said okay. Well a good friend of mine and teammate. brad. Thomas brad head retired. We were under sabres garner. Together as a guy that i look up to you know brad ninety-three as a ranger and then ended up in the unit. And anyway he was. He was like a big brother to me and Brett when bradford retired he'd gone to work for another company To me was like the it was like the model that if you were going to do it. This is how you do it. You go you transition to world you continue to touch community. You use those abilities to help the community in any way that you can. And he's done that year after year after year. Probably more so than most guys. I know he's just done quietly. And i always thought like that's the way to but i didn't want to be a one off. I didn't want to do the same thing that somebody else did. So i was looking around. But anyway i go out to the range and i meet jason and we did. I mean i've told jokes about it in the past like i was probably really dismissive. And he thought that. I didn't like him. Because i talked to thousands of companies at that point and you always get their pitch in like thirty seconds and so i was always very business. But he was so motivated like he was so inspiring like just wanting to do stuff and hungary and it really felt like it wasn't about money it was about the guys and what he was building and solving problems for basically for soft dudes and like high in law enforcement and so we built in kind of cultivated. A relationship from there. And i was just thinking about the other day Jason asked me to come on. We went through a little evolution. Before i retired of what i was going to do but ultimately culminated with him asking me to come onto number two to be as chief operating officer tremendous opportunity. I was really fortunate again. I don't know why. I don't why guy a guy that's made as many mistakes as i have. You just kept you know the right things kept happening. Maybe it's because they just. Every time. I lost john and figure out how to be a winner but whatever it was we hit it off and he asked me to come work for him so i retired and i did that and you know i think about it a lot about what were the things that brought me here. Why why do. I enjoy it. For obvious reasons. I still get to touch the community. Interact with it. That's great too. I like saw guys problems. There's nothing better than is end users for for us. Our kids sucked me. Like an things have gotten better as years. Go the stuff we build now. I wish we had back then. But i love when they come to you or you. You build a solution for them and they they're like man. This is awesome anything for every one of those ten guys ago. This world works. Yeah but but i like being touched like being unresolved problems but then kind of the other. Epiphany i had recently was jason an entrepreneur. He's a self made guy. This is now a second company that he's built from the ground up literally from nothing to successful. He was a marine for a few years. He ended up. He was involved in marine corps combat as program. That's what got him. Into and then ended up joining the gracie family torn all over the world teaching brazilian jiu jitsu for bunch of years and that was before he started doing a training company started diamondback and then built back into this big thing soda and then got back into the game with a new focus of. This is what i wanna do. I'm gonna do it my way. I'm not gonna take on. Investors so privately held company and industry that is predominantly owned by investment firms and companies. It's impersonal writings just about money and tears like the one company out there that still doing it for personal reasons like we're still doing it because it's about the guy and the other thing is when you have a personality like that that's been through those trials eccentric and he and i can fight like cats and dogs or we can love each other. Like brothers like we have our ups and downs. But what. I realized particularly in the last year mainly in my own head because i go through ups and downs like i said and sometimes i think it's for other reasons and really it's internally but i was thinking about it all. He's the guy that does what i got to do in the unit when i was in the unit it would be like. Hey we have to go do this thing. Well we've never done that. Okay the same. I know how to do it. No well and somebody would go. Well then how are we going to do that. An organization like that a bunch of guys. We'll go. I don't know we'll figure it out and somebody will go well. You can't do that. Why can't we do that. No one's ever asked that question. I love that about that place. Like screw you. Yes we can do it. You know why because we're smart we're motivated and we're just not gonna take no for an answer jason's dot guy in entrepreneurial form. I've never met anybody that you can go. Will you can't do that. And he's he will do it he will. He will find a way to get it done. And just i'm not gonna go on and belabor it but you know like in the five years that i've been with tear. I retired in two thousand fifteen to work for them and again we're a body armor and kick companies so kids closed backpacks in an armor last year. Really the last year the tax cuts. And i'm definitely not going to political but the tax cuts impacted us particularly as a small business and a privately held small business. They freed up a lot of resources so they enabled us to hire more employees. We had a really successful year. And it allowed jason to make a decision to invest back in the company and continued to grow the business. You know he could have taken that and walked away could done whatever he wanted but he chose to put it back in the business and to get better at what we do for the people that we serve any invested a bunch of money back in the company and we're building an entire building to support hard armor development and again. This is the stuff that i love. We went we sat around and we had some decisions to make. And i'm involved in all of those. Menial listens to me. But at least i have some input and we said what do we want to do here. Do we want to take the next leap and truly do hard armor and shield development and and be that total solution provider. We'd always done soft armor and stuff like that or or do we want to slow it down. And he said absolutely not man. We're doing it and we're like how can what can we make the big chain. We had a conversation with our sales team. An us and you know the guys that work all retired dudes. They're all like military and law enforcement retirees great team and we had a conversation about shields and it was. Why does every police vehicle in the united states not have at a minimum a three a pistol rated ballistic shield and their trunk. It's defensive item. It's not offensive. We're worried about cops. Look into tactical and being to the guys get it. There's all this drama out there so why not provide them with the resource that can protect them so instead of walking up to a vehicle with a hand on their gun in a high risk scenario they have a small light bay ballistic shield between them and the vehicle. They're approaching a defuses. The situation it allows them to communicate without either person feeling. Threatened like there's so many things. Why don't we do that. Well we don't do it because that stuff is sucked for a bunch of years. Nobody likes them. They've been too heavy companies. Just sort of do status quo. What's needed. We'll jason went well. What hasn't been done well. You can only press ballistics to a certain level because the press is our genomes and they cost millions of dollars and so nobody ever takes that leap. Because they're never really asked to will jason's kinda guy that went. We'll just 'cause nobody doesn't mean we shouldn't do it. And he reinvest that money build a building and builds two largest presses in north america and starting in january. We're going to put those things in operation and we're gonna push the industry we're going to make everybody get better literally next year like they have no choice and we're going to see how far we can take ballistic sides. See how light see how high performing and how thin we can get but the goal is to build things that are effective that protect military and law enforcement that changed the game that do something different so just because they didn't ask for it doesn't mean you shouldn't do it. Sometimes they don't know what to ask until you show them what the capability is. And we're developing the capability. And i think that's really cool. That's a good leader to yeah. You don't find those types of leaders that just don't understand. The word canton says no. That's not the vocabulary it's more about. What are the risks. What are the obstacles in our way. Where the costs less measure all that and put it on the table. We can whether we want to do it right now. Yeah you know because it's always capable we're always capable of doing it well and so two tie back like just because you haven't done something doesn't mean you can't do it better than everybody else. You just gotta try harder. You gotta work at it harder. You've got to want it. And that was a key part of an organization that i spent a good portion of my adult life in and loved and it was a part of who i am today. Like we said doesn't define me. But those experiences are part of who i am and i work for a company that takes that same mindset in what we do now so while the two are completely different and i'm on opposite sides of the spectrum. I still get a lot of that again. A lot of that release of of he would never done this. I don't care let's do it. Not only let's do it but let's do it better than everybody else in. We're to invest the time and energy to get that done however we have to wait. Was it that you started getting into hiking and all that because it was around this same timeframe right it was. Yeah so two. Things happened one. In my train period one was finding the right place to go work in the right place to be a part of a team to build a team around me. The second one was was discovering. Something that i'd kinda forgotten and that's being out in the outdoors. My wife and i we weren't married in two thousand fifteen but we were living together. we We got married later but she asked me before i retired of there was anything i wanted to do before i went back to work. You know like guys military. We always say that's my first retirement to live off of you know you're you're going onto career number two and i always said number two for me. The number one was salmon. Which isn't really true. Because i'm still doing stuff from sam's but But she said you know what do you wanna do. You wanna take a break. And i said usually like a vacation or whatever and i had always wanted to do a long thru hiked the appalachian trail or something so long story short. We ended up settling on the john muir trail so we spent three weeks and she did it with me We had gotten her into backpacking in like a year or two leading up to that which she had never done a lot of and she in love with which was amazing We went out and high jamir and leading up to that point. I've talked about another podcast. But i had sleep. I had severe sleep disorder for five or six years. Wasn't it's not uncommon. Yeah yeah. I mean normal stuff again. That was still in the healing process. Although i had gotten a lot better i had a lot of things still wrong but it went john muir and literally it reset your circadian rhythm or whatever so you would we walk all day on the trail. It'd be painful sucking. You'd be exhausted. Then the sun would go down and you go to sleep because you know anything else to do and then the sun would come up and you would get up so you get like twelve hours of sleep. and after a couple of days of that it completely reset. So i spent three weeks out in the wilderness walking from seventy national park and we ended up coming in mount whitney at the bottom. I'm twenty one days later and lost twenty six pounds or twenty seven pounds so fit. We went to mexico right after that dad back but but what it did for me. Mentally was a of a bunch of things it it allowed me to access those boxes in my head that i didn't know how to like open up safely in any other circumstance so on a hike you might spend an hour to chitchat and back and forth as you move as the suck continues and it gets worse. You start going internal like donna. Long-run training for a marathon. You get in your head and you go through. You saw the world's problems in your own brain and you're not even saying it out loud so it gave me a safe healthy space to access some of those things and to think about them and then to discuss them with someone that i love and trust and work through some of those two it put me back in the outdoors. You know. i've said this before. But and it was said to me by someone. And i've never let it go. You appreciate being in the outdoors with all of your senses. You're on a long hike or a climber. Whatever you feel the ground on your feet with every step that you take you fill the pack on your back. You smell the flowers and trees and bushes. You hear the animals and water and wind. You see the visual sites. It is is an overwhelming sensory experience. If you allow yourself to experience and dot for me was incredible. And i. And i realized how much i missed that and how important that most and then the third piece of it was long distance hiking or climbing her expeditions. Or anything like that is very much akin to planning and executing military operation. You you have to lay out your route. You have to choose the correct to figure out how much time it takes you figure out logistical support. You have to figure out what you're going to do to get over particular obstacle. You have to figure out what you're gonna do in inclement weather. Someone gets hurt you have to solve these put together a plan and then execute that plan and then you have to deal with contingencies. Along the way and they always come up some days. You just don't happen. It sucks and you've got to go. We're going to set up camp here. Instead of what we planned or whatever that is but the combination of planning executing the pain and suffering and then the completion sense of accomplishment that comes from doing a thru hiker a big climb was so much like a successful combat operation that it was cathartic that it it released something in my brain that made me feel better To the point. Where now. Like when as i start to feel better i have depressive events or whatever. I get chippy at worker. I mean. know it in me. Now and jason. We'll save and go. Take a hike in the outdoors. And i do. I feel better. I come back refreshed. Feel healthy my wife and i have done at a minimum ten day or two week through a year where you tons of big plans to. Yeah next one. So i started her When we met she'd never hiked a joke. As i said she's never pooped in the woods. Boston right or any of that stuff. So but she's phenomenal. She's a stud she. She doesn't but like we john muir with you know. She had forty pounds on her back. You know try walk ten miles a day forty pounds on your back and some of the most difficult train you've ever walked cheated that sf can't do that right now and so she's never really appreciated that but she's a beast and she pushes me so yeah we do long hikes. I've built her aggressively to kind of bigger and bigger stuff. And i'm hearing this and alpine mountaineering stuff now which i really enjoy so last january we did or zaba which is the tallest volcano north america. It's in mexico like eighteen thousand chains zaba this year. We decided in january We're gonna go down to ecuador and do like five summits in ecuador and finish cotopaxi which is like nineteen and change and then starting next summer an this. I don't know if i should even say it out loud because people freak out. I'm going to do this over a long period of time. But i you know my wife and i had a conversation and i said you know. I've always had during seven summits so the tallest peak on each of the continents Obviously everest being the culminating event. But i've always had a goal of that and it was kind of a pipe dream for a lot of years. But i really enjoy that stuff and the fact that i have a person next to me that likes that stuff too. I know is capable. Even if she's terrified each time she knew she takes that next step and her comfort level gets a little better. Yeah so. I came home the other day and i said hey i don't wanna be. I don't wanna be fifty sixty years old and decide now. I want to try and do the seven summits and not be physically able. And i don't know i've got a lot of ailments and injuries over the years and who knows what the heads like right. I'm not being morbid. I've just known. But i said if i don't start now i just don't want to lose that opportunity. Go i may never get. There may take me ten years to do it. But i want to start and i said and i think we could do. She's like well. I don't wanna do mount everest not saying all we get to that point and you feel like it. Yeah cool. And i said but but you right now can do five of the seven like right now. You can do that. And so she thought about for and and understood why was saying it and so she agreed So this summer we're going to do so after cotopaxi january. This summer we're going to go amount eb eb elbrick's which is the highest peak in europe. Most people think it's the matterhorn or one of those. It's actually in the caucuses on the western side russia. I'm so we'll do. Elvis and then probably kilimanjaro after that kind of little easier one and then hopefully can cagua twenty twenty two And then maybe denali immediately after her cagua. So that's four. I'm not worried about australia. I'm talking about the original seven summit list one in indonesia because we're not doing that but we will fit australia because it's an easy walkable one And then What am i missing kelly elbruz. Were you missing. Everest whistle in the middle Vinson antarctica which. I almost did as a team trip. A bunch of years ago and it got cancelled because you know or but so if you get the five if we if we if we get five which i think she can do then in antarctica will take me a number of years to convince her to do because she hates being and then and then everest But she would do the track to base camp with me at a minimum. I'm so again. I don't know if i'll ever get there but one of those guys where i've always liked looking at what the next thing wasn't having something out there to be working towards and we love being in the outdoors so much together. We love the long distance hiking thing which we will continue to do. But while i still have a shot at it why not why not. Yeah because then you never wanna live the life of regret. Why didn't i. yeah. I mean if i make the decision to not do it. Yeah so be it. But at least i didn't lose the ability to make that decision but you've found this to be so cathartic that i think you're also looking at it as an opportunity in some fashion that you've not figured out yet to maybe help other people who are in the same situation Yeah for sure. And i've said this in the past. I we want we collectively my wife and i talked about it a lot. We want to do something in the future that helps other people discover. What we found is not just me like you know. She doesn't all those things have happened to her. But that doesn't mean anything liking. You don't have to be a veteran or a a war veteran. Or whatever you could be a first responder. You could be a schoolteacher. You'd be somebody who had a car accident and lost family members pretty much anybody suffering from post traumatic stress from any event or dramatic from or depression or any of those things i think personally can benefit from doing things in the in the outdoor space. I think it's not just some weird anomaly that it helped me the way that it did. I mean i'm not on any medication. I know i have all these things wrong with me and like i said i still struggle. But i'm for all intents and purposes healthy from solely from routine which is like getting up every day and doing certain things eating healthy working out spending time in the outdoors and being open and talking about things when they bother me like that kind of mix of stuff. That's not medication that's not. It's it's holistic. It's if if it can help me can help anybody. And i want to help people find that and i don't know what that looks like yet. We don't know what that looks like. Get but we're definitely trying to figure that out in our headed down that path. Eventually you realize that people are gonna listen to these podcast episodes and before too long by the time you get to. Maybe the second summit. You're gonna be forced gump and look around. There's about thirty people behind. You know it's cool like a again. I i have a great job. I i think. I worked for one of the bests kit companies in the world and we have a great team and i absolutely love it. We're crushing it. Year after year. And i love it so but i still need to be away and i said this jason the other day we were just it was just in passing. He popped in my office and sat down and we were talking about something. And somehow i went. Hey man i think. I think i'm going to try and do the seven summits and he was like what and i explained what it was and you know. He said he didn't even skip a beat. I'm chief operating officer and he looked at meaning. I think that's frigging awesome. That's what he said. And i you know again. Like i said we have our frustrations right. We're a growing business in three hundred some odd pieces. It has its challenges and and you forget just like anything else but like in that moment i was reminded like lucky. Yeah yeah definitely. And i am not just lucky because i'm surrounded by good people but i'm lucky because i had the personal courage to own who i am to expose myself to people that i care about. And then like allow them or helped him to understand who i am and wearing them and i think that's why yeah. I think that's why i'm where today. So yeah feels good. Sound secure home as close as would. It can't be from what you had hoped to be after retirement. If that makes any sense yeah. I'm more comfortable traveling but you can be part of his home as well so before. I let you go. I've got to ask you. Why don't you go back to the unit Good question a myriad of reasons. So when i left again that was call shock. When you're told you have to leave something that to that point in your life you thought was everything was all you ever wanted to be. It was all you were and you didn't know how you were going to go on after that. The stretch of time after that a couple years after that were. I've got to really low points as i've talked about before i battled with prescription drug addiction. Heavy alcohol use near suicide. Losing more friends like it just was bad and about the time my ears was up i was i was on. I had made the turn. I was starting to recover I was working at sf command. And i was doing something new I think it was a combination of things. But i think for the most part i felt like that part of me was behind me that whether i could or couldn't go back whether they would take me back. There was nothing preventing me from doing it. But i i just felt like if i went backwards. It was going to do more harm than good. I felt like it wasn't my path that much time had passed that i was fortunate and lucky that i did. Eleven combat deployments with the greatest union on planet earth. And i came out with all my fingers and toes and limbs. And i'm still here That i i didn't want to roll those dice again and it took a minute because part of that feels like you're scared and maybe maybe it was a little fear in there and that's cool. I certainly jokingly. I say the reason i wear my heart on my sleeve and i don't care if anything i feel like i earned my man card somewhere in there. Yeah definitely did i. Don't i don't have anything to prove so no one expects of me. So why am i putting that on myself and then once mentally i kind of got over that hurdle then life became about. What's next not about what i used to do or what i did. It became about. What am i gonna do next. And i think that was part of the healing process. So i'm glad you asked that question. Yeah and during that timeframe. I mean you think about what all you accomplished while you were there as part of the unit and there will be a lot of it that will never be told but your photos in the spine in the compound. I think it used for hams. Yes i mean. The fact that podcast. I'd kid be the frame. Yeah it'd be one of those Pictures that you see when you buy the frame the family or somebody on their video. And anyway i mean your photos there for a particular mission as a matter of fact that maybe you can quickly share. Yeah yeah so. The latter part of my career in the union. I transitioned in a role in the building again. You don't always want to do what they tell you to do. In the service and then after the fact he realized that it was pretty cool that they made you do that So it was another example of right place right time for me. And i ended up on a rotation horn of africa and we were basically for the first time. We were targeting expertise outside of the middle east so we weren't afghanistan or iraq or pakistan. It was the first time we'd really stepped out of the box. It was significant. Because i was the first unit guy the first army. Smu dude back in somalia in particular since mogadishu ninety three cents a black hawk down incident significant organization because we were involved in that and i was originally a c squadron. Guy and c squadron was the squadron that was in somalia that day and then third ranger battalion which is also in and then there's a lot of guys from third that ended up in c squadron weirdly so it meant a lot to a lot of people when i understood the significance of that so two of us deployed over there to kind of work that mission set and it was a it was a joint effort so there was two guys from each color of the rainbow and called the rainbow coalition. I've said that before gets goal. So you know the the the different tiers. I'll have a color designator. And so we had two guys from green two guys from blue to from Two to from white cetera. And so yeah. I ended up again right place right time. We were chasing to each bt's invisible in selena upon which were the guys responsible for the embassy bombings in nairobi. Kenya and dr salaam tanzania in nineteen ninety eight and they were still on the list and this is now two thousand and seven and we were tracking them. We had limited assets. You know so it was difficult. It wasn't like targeting in iraq was at that point where we had a lot of tech on our side because everything was still dedicated. Reckon afghanstan so we had limited stuff but we did have some second and we're able to track these guys down or at least we thought and then made some calls in a decision was made to kind of go after they were on a boat and at the time they was basically the foreign network in the middle east so achey was recruiting guys in the middle east. They were shipping down through yemen. Putting them on a boat sending them over to somalia because was a safe place to train them or they wouldn't get targeted because we weren't doing anything in somalia and where supposed to be there. And they were training him in training camps other mayan teach them how to make bombs and kill americans basically and then they're putting on ship back to the middle east to go get in the fight and as we saw the foreign fighter network evolve in iraq. Anybody that was there. We'll tell you it got way diverse. There were dudes from all over So this was very much a part of that so they Their ship high state ended up damaging their ship and ended up forcing ground In northern smile on the tip of the horn of africa. And even though we didn't have much we knew it was an opportunity. We couldn't pass up so you're in the bird in flight somewhere. You know the we were. We were flying from djibouti to bezos amalia. So i was doing basically a uw mission. Green beret mission. We were working within damage to help. Facilitate and use them as an action armed to rollup. Hpd's in somalia and disrupt this network and this was a little bigger than that. This was you know. Eighteen to twenty five guys on a boat were all bad dudes. That had just come out of the training camp at least so we thought and two of them potentially were. Hpd's we've been tracking for a decade. And yes we. We made a decision. We made a call. They crash-landed we're going to go at least try to roll them up in this town so through a series of planes trains and automobiles ended. We ended up in the desert and it was me in a in a navy on air force combat controller and about twelve indigenous. Somalis that were for the most part friendly to us. and Yeah ended up being a waiting game We ended up getting called out by the guy that i'll call the the the g- the guerilla commander so the head. Guy in charge of the the host nation folks that we were using the somalis and he was only got spooking russian. He basically said if you guys don't go kill these guys we're going to go without you and so it's a funny moment between the three of us and i laugh with the navy seal guy said this is the most q. Course thing i've ever heard of in my life the g. commander just said hey you guys are pussies. It'll be the smart. Like american like all those guys and ten degrees. They have nothing. We have stuff. They're going to run out eventually. You're going to quit. But they didn't and so yeah. He decided he go mountains. We made a hasty planned in movement. Contact ended up in gunfight with wall. The interesting part of this story is that you see. Cdt you couldn't get any air support right. no you didn't have any air support yes. I'm sorry i'm breezy too. Because i know we're short on time. The cool thing about it was we had. We had an air force combat controller. And he had we had a navy seal so then what we did have was had a dirt airfield. That was near us So we went survey the airfield prior to doing this to contact And that was there for guys idea So that we could bring fixing in if we'd cash or something like that because they were like five hours away so we had to have a place and the only thing we were getting was wing aircraft out of djibouti. And and then you know the navy guy was like we got this these ships off the coast running anti piracy operations. Can we call one of those like you said to the guy who's your like quasi. Rt oh can we call one of them. We can call them in the blind so we did so. We called naval ship doing counter piracy operations from and we said hey we want plan target reference points and they like what who are you. Where are you what are you talking about there. Was this exchange and you know our stuff was reporting back to secdef so we authorization to do whatever we wanted and this was like a once in a lifetime. Opportunity to get you know. Probably the number two and three most wanted men on the face of the earth behind like bin laden at that point or amc. I guess then and so yes. We call the destroy the destroyer and did some targets reference points for their naval gunfire. Not knowing like we did right like me. You never expect to called naval gunfire since vietnam or something. And i love how you also said that you could hear the background. The people who own just turn holes in the ocean and elvis sudden. Commando's call you shoot some so thank god. They were there. Thank god you know we did have the the rainbow coalition different perspectives. And so so. Yeah and then it came down to me and i was like well. I just moved contact. We had these two somali gun teams. I say that really loosely guys at delphi. Weapons but yeah. We didn't lose. Contact ended up in a gunfight. We stand a bunch casualties. Basically everything that we set up. We executed so all that foresight. All that contingency planning All the collective thought of the three of us saved our ass and and help the day and that's why it was successful but Yeah so in the middle of engagement. We took a bunch. Casualties are somalis. Were all wounded amazingly. We weren't Because i was in basically plates and chess rack at aim at the helmet on in the gunfight and we didn't have any frag so like we just said no. We had no upper hand. The only thing we had was we had elevation elevated eastern on the ridge so they fought up towards us. We were in a good position to deal with them. And we did and Did on the naval gunfire. We did call naval gunfire yak got. We had enough wounded. We got to a point where it was sort of a stalemate the the rest of the guys remaining that were alive or indefinite and they were shooting bill fed up at it. We weren't going over that hill. Yeah it just didn't accents and we had to deal with all the wounded so so yes so brady dislike. This was like its goal in this man and you know as much as you can laugh in a situation like that we laughed and so we pulled the guys back off the hill backdoor though patrol base in hammered the hell out of the valley. They will gunfire and ended up going back up the next day. And you know se and all the bodies and you know seeing what was on them there. Were of all the guys that we killed there were guys from. I think seven different countries. Wow two guys. British passport holders. That were foreign fighters that were part of the network and the one guy. The humidity dude was the chief dude. For running he was the chief guy shuttling folks from the middle east to somalia and back so he was the dude responsible for the transportation of all those foreign fighters and He was killed in the game. And we didn't know this 'til much time later but it shut down. That whole east africa huge. Yes for like for like a two year stretch of backup and obviously now. We have units deployed dealing with those things. But everything's more sense than but at the time it was fairly significant and for me it was. It was just personally nothing to do with your original question but for me it was the most significant event was ever part of and again i was lucky. I was a part of so many things i mean. It got to capture the dictator of a country. Like that was incredible. I thought that would be the biggest moment for me. But it wasn't smiley was because of the significance of being the first green guy back in somalia number two because just a handful of dudes and some interagency folks and some intel folks planning executing an operation super high risk in a place where no one was where we had limited assets and we ended up being incredibly successful with none of us getting hurt all somalis for the record all all the guys that were on our side that wounded. Fill the seal. Phil should've got much bigger than he did for. The i mean. I was on the horn with the rear and satcom and it was ridiculous. Brady is talking to the boat fills plugging holes me. Saved damn near every one of them. Dudes lives by himself. I mean we helped where we could inbetween calls. But but you know that johnny on the spot was plugging holes and win of flying guys back to djibouti and they got treated in naval hospital. Also by we return them all to home The of it is saying the job through is like other three letter agencies in our country. Do they decided they wanted to reward the g- for helping us do this and an excellent job. I think they gave him two hundred and fifty thousand. Us takada continue to facilitate that relationship. And we said we don't think you should do that. And they're like why and we're like because basically somali warlord loose and the reason why he wanted to go in because he knew they had weapons. You wanted to rent. Because he money and weapons were power. Yeah it was about status. And he didn't really care can think about the reality of dying they just look at it differently and so they they did. They didn't listen and they gave him two hundred fifty thousand dollars. He had like six kids. He fled the country and they never heard from again. He lives in new york. City probably michigan. He's a cabdriver at a new england. but that was. I don't say that very often but that we thought that was very funny. Yeah he's he was really good dude. I mean he. He in the middle of that gunfight on his little handheld radio with three bullet holes in him. He helped us pull in those teams. I mean he was a big part of that too. There was a lot of things. Go our way that day. That could've have gone very very bad. Yeah but i attribute that basically the two guys that were with me like chris we could probably sit here and talk to you literally for another couple of days. I mean we've been at it for quite a while now. And i mean i'd love to if nothing else i'll be back on. Continue maybe part too. I think they're still a whole lot of stuff that we can talk about. Certainly wanna talk to you after you come back from some of these trips and stuff. Because i think it'll be really cool to talk about that. And then what. You guys went through inexperienced. Even through the interchange of different countries. The challenge is how you ended up coming out with it and feeling you know if fingers crossed ecuador silken backup to climbers a couple months ago. Yes hopefully nothing goes bad for down then and we get to do that. y- i. I really appreciate the opportunity to meet both what you guys are doing Keep telling people stories man because it helps keep sharing yours. It does as well thanks.

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"Did is that basically. They're subscribe a bunch of people that are subscribed to your video. Show up in their feed and I it I. I'm shocked shocked and appalled that matter. I when I knew two three months ago target sister happening well. We make a lot a lot of inappropriate jokes. And I'm you know we were joking on this week so I'm like were saying Oh who's GonNa want to sponsor this show because I said something like I. I was joking about how the Golden Globes when Vegan and I was like I just missed the good old days you know a million could be a man and a woman was in the kitchen imagine. Jesus you can't make even jokes like that because some of them won't clip that and then say see. Here's bridge with her internalized patriarchy. Everyone everyone from the nineteen fifties was a racist big job. You're canceled I. Yeah but should we just pre cancel because comedy is I. I think saying those said something that was really. It's always off the cuff jokes. He make that are completely inappropriate. That I think I said something about Cardi a B and we were filming in the dumpster. Fire which you know she said threatened to go to Nigeria. And I said I was like I have fun with Boko Colorado back in Sam who are in their filming with me. My cousin Maggie who's my producing partner. And Samantha who's also on the team. They started dying laughing. Because that's what's funny. Is those things that are off the cuff. And if you say something like that now and you aren't in a position like I'm in which is slaley immune to cancel culture. You will get canceled or your risk of getting canceled so I think comedy comedy has become a lot more frayed and then you know the argument that people say is cancelled. Culture isn't real as that people like ricky jurvetson Dave Chapelle. How are making jokes well? They're millionaires their multi their power fall. So you're just you can't use people who are even JK rally you can't use billionaires millionare's and multimillionaires as examples of people who are who are cancelled proof because they're canceled prove just because reg. Do you sense though that people like us. Maybe uh if you're vase and Chapelle let's say you're doing it at like the air force level right foot soldiers in this or something like we're we're in the tanks on the ground and we're offering cover to the average person that is the foot soldier in this. That just wants to be able to work a real job but still occasionally say what they think without being modern we are actually offering them a little bit of cover. Yeah Yeah I think that people people feel confused and there is that sense of of terror that but also hilarious and we were talking about this as well and dumpster fire. Just how it's you're it's almost like a defense humor for me as a defense mechanism it is for many people and that's inappropriate. Jokes are funny. Because you're like UH World War three right guys and then the means come out in. The memes are hilarious and so people are using humor to try and make sense of a world. That's it's really crazy and then you have all these people who are experts and I always say no one knows anything. I mean even experts. They might know things about. They might have things to contribute. But no one knows what's going to happen so anyone who's telling you like here's what's going to happen is really just projecting their own biases and hopes and to the world. But no one is like Notre Dame S. so I think people just want to laugh after make sense of it. You mentioned your factory settings. Yeah which I have credited with many ninety nine percents sure credited you when I mentioned it in the book I suddenly as I'm saying it is suddenly afraid that I didn't let it be known that you were the first person that came up with the phrase factory settings that I had ever heard. Can you just explain. What factory settings are I know? We talked about last time. But but I think it's such a right way of sort of looking at at why everything is so screwed up four or sort of how you would take everything down to first principles to then sort of look at the world. Yeah factory settings is really just the default that you were kind of. I've installed as a child for instance. I was raised in a very liberal family. It was very east coast. We I didn't I was thinking about the other day I'm like I don't think even met anyone who was pro-life until I was in my twitter. Yeah maybe it might have been. I just was not exposed to I didn't I. I was in Minnesota but we lived in the city so I was always very much and And again I wasn't really you know engaging in the debate club at school so I didn't I had some conservatives in my life but my default setting and and factory settings were just you know pro-choice Republicans are evil. All they care about is money. You're the you're the good guys Democrats do you think so. Do you think that's a personal thing. That generally when when I've used the phrase maybe yeah this is my own take on it. I've said to people that the factory settings that were all given pretty much if you grow up in America in the last forty years let's say is is that that is the narrative so yes of course. Some people are brought up say Christian conservative when they're brought up pro-life or whatever but that's really that's really an outlier right. The main set set of ideas that are sort of accepted out of the gate which are Democrats Good Republicans bad Democrats for poor people. Republicans for Rich People Democrats you you know all of that kind of slow it just depends on where you grow up. Because I think everyone's factory settings are different and at and it depends on your region so if I was raised in you know somewhere in the south perhaps or in Texas or in a different family than perhaps I would have different factory settings My very good friend is was raised conservative and he was raised think all liberals are idiots. That left us and they you know can't can't argue any of their own points. They so he. He just won't even really engage in a leftist debate because he. He thinks that that was the way he was raised by his family. That was conservative but it it was also known that they were not the mainstream point of view. Or that set of ideas was coming down to you from Hollywood and the media media all the time right and to Kinda keep those ideas somewhat on the down low so even in graduate school he had to. He's had to kind of pretend. Just fake go along with a lot of the crazy stuff that he's seen and just because he wants to kind of swim through and get done and and be done with it but so I think that's interesting too. I don't know I I've been it's it's been if I transform myself. That's the most powerful thing I can do. In order to change the World Albright all of these systems are comprised of individual people. They're not you can't really change a whole system without individuals that need it up eligible Mexico. This is everybody. Welcome to Anna cash over anarchy on Internet's and I usually quite nonviolently and I've heard tons of stuff about non violent communication. I even have the book on my kindle. I haven't read it yet but everything I've heard about. It seems to be a lot of how I kind of communicated most of my life and it's worked quite well and a lot of people kind of don't communicate that way and they don't have much good results results in real life when they're communicating in certain ways and they're trying to get across certain ideas and they're not doing it in a certain way that's quite receptive to most people so actually I don't know a ton of butter by no a lot of people are really into it. Some really excited that we have on Katie testa coming in from motown Detroit and she actually is a certified non and violent communication trainer. She's a coach as well. She's also Dula. I don't know even get into that. But that's very interesting to me as well And and she's actually. It'll be speaking of Narcan Book of Two Thousand Twenty on. This actually had a lot of people who really recommended her. And that's how we ended up having her speak and so I've actually. I actually met her like years ago but very briefly at I think anarchy in New York City around two thousand thirteen or something like that But this is the first time I'm talking to her about non violent communication and I think a lot of people really should learn about this sort of thing. Because I've seen a lot of especially anarchists out there trying to talk to status and it's not working thank you know you're an idiot. Shut up all this stuff and and if they just learn and this is something that I think Larkin. Rose tocks quite a bit about in his own fashion A bout with candles in the dark. which you'll be doing? Focus if you WANNA learn about a lot of this stuff definite Cundinamarca Polka but we're going to get into some of the rate here so Katie. It's great to see you again. It's been a long time and the first question I have to ask you though is how did you become an anarchist. Thanks Jeffrey decided to talk to you and share a bit more about non-violence that something really passionate about and I think strikes the roots Just in language how we communicate and how subtle roll ways language plays a role in power over thinking and stuff that contributes to like the government you know and and education system and all of that so to answer your question how do they become. An anarchist is kind of hard to answer directly because it seems like almost I always was one and didn't have a coherent philosophy to articulate to kind of explain it and I think a lot of anarchists kind of resonated with that but in school. I was kind of your typical good girl. Getting good grades falling rules conforming to what my parents expected of me what society expected of me and as a teenager. My parents got divorced. Experienced trauma and really rebelled so hard. I ended up getting tangled up in the state. I was incarcerated from fourteen to seventeen not the entire duration of that time but a maximum security juvenile prison and yes seven lobby for surprising security and the whole thing so waco so while I was in the system the prison system I saw firsthand what the state does with children and their children who were words of the state you know. They essentially have a parent or Guardian family to care for them and it was just so tragic and painful and dramatic to see that so that really gave me a bad taste. My mouth breath relationship to police judges and puppies but it was still kind of in this rebellious like screw the man kind of perspective and when I was nineteen I got pregnant with my first child and that was unexpected. I didn't plan that and but I went with it and so it was really when I had my first baby where I started to become curious about kind of accounts for human thing works like that. Nobody explains it to you. So I've noticed that too does any. Hey this stuff like you go to this. Twelve years of government nation cans like. How do you be apparent to how did you learn? How do you think those things are never taught to you canoe? He didn't WanNa do kind of what my parents did. And a lot of ways. Because obviously you know I had all kinds of issues fitting in and whatever I ended up also did mention. I dropped out of high school tenth grade. I just couldn't I got kicked out class left and right for s questions mostly. I think that my biggest problem was that I was curious. Yes and I really wanted to understand why people do things than what is this all about. That's really problematic for some people in positions positions of authority because it's kind of threatening their their sense of security and stability and what they're doing in their live and so that really led to a lot of problems through reading. Ben Rubio Super Scale. You're going to be homeless and Never GonNa make it and curium getting in trouble getting locked up so anyway. Fast forward having first child and I'm in the hospital. The doctors kind of want to wrap them up and put him in this clear box beside me and my instinct is like no I I wanNA hold skin-to-skin and wasn't nobody told me that it just really felt it in my heart like this. Is the national wage big yet to be with this child and and And it started out kind of just following my intuition as a mother and breastfeeding on demand. Not kind of making my child conform. Two o'clock clock. And all of this. And a lot of kickback from parents and family your judgments about how you should raise the child. We're going to never be independence and an old fat and so we really kind of question that and that led me to becoming a do. I don't have to go into all of that but I saw how the health care system can systematically disconnected us. US from our body is a former health from what really kind of made intuitive sense to me and so it wasn't until probably two thousand seven. Even at this time I had kind of questioned. Our whole food system is looking at. Corn is in everything. That's happens to be subsidized by live government later. I found that out kind of really brought some clarity to that issue. But my husband at the time was taking a class called the global problems of capitalism capitalism and. I think Barack Obama was running for office. At the time I was at home with our two babies and I really have a strong need for intellectual stimulation wishes. He would bring these text books and read them. Because I wasn't I was with little kids all day and I started to read this book and it explained explained how important we left the gold standard and does seems Kinda weird likely not really talking about what seems to me would be the consequences of that so I started to go gold standard central banking. I learned about Fiat currency I learned about currency than there was like. Oh like that was the one thing thing that has unified all of these different perspectives. Including at that point I had people have been asking me. When is your our son? He was now maybe three when you gonNA put him in Preschool and that to me also is like. Oh but I don't like I didn't really know why but it just didn't seem to make sense. Why would I give my child over to someone else? Outsourced my parenting relationship to some sort of system. When I have had such a painful experience in school I I saw? That wasn't really about learning. It was more about conformity in jumping through the hoops in kind of doing what you should do. And so during that time my friend Maria Montessori and she was all about you know honoring a child's autonomy and then I came across John Taylor God if you're familiar with him but he wrote a very the underground history of American education went about depression school system and then Regina hopes and he is kind of the grandfather von schooling and that really resonated with me so from there was all about on schooling and so all of those different pieces kind of came together but it really took back and clarity about economics before could really articulate my perspective about anarchism but I was kind of on that path for a long time. Wow I can definitely understand what you're kicked out of school. You actually have an interest in actually finding out the truth learning about things and that's not allowed in in the the government schools. Here it's supposed to write down what the government did and how good they are and how it all works and and why you should support that kind of stuff. So wow that was quite the sort of responses to how you became an anarchist with so many different sort of things in your life that affected it and made you wake up to. What's it's actually going on and look into it and then realize okay? This is basically horrible and interesting that you pointed out Montessori. I actually have two kids and I'm somewhat embarrassed to say they're both in school. They're both in Montessori school though and and in Mexico it's it's so amazing here like everything you hear hear about on. The news is so wrong and other than the US. If you go to Montessori school it could be like thousands of dollars a month. I've seen even Mike five ten fifteen eighteen thousand dollars a month for some of the better ones in New York and stuff like that are and Here in Mexico I've never paid more than three hundred dollars a month. I think it's about two hundred dollars a month right now. For a Montessori school and both my kids wanted to check it out and they just loved it especially here in Mexico. It's got the sort of culture a very loving family sort of culture. It just like they consider their other family. It's their other friends that they get to go. See the day and have a lot of fun which is not how I used to think about a school and you either. I'm I'm sure for me. It was in Canada. It's like okay. Walk a mile in minus forty weather through snow Almost die on the way because it's so cold get there get beat up all day get got a bunch of teachers. T- Telling you to write down stuff that you don't care about then comb make yourself Some macaroni and cheese. Because MOM's not there she's at work You know is a latchkey kid so anyway very very interesting sort of All of your story but the main thing I want to focus on even though we could get into stuff like dual elitism or on schooling and a lot of that stuff. We will have people talking about an book anyway but the thing that I want to focus on is the non violent communication because For my understanding of it it sounds like a lot more. People really need to understand this stuff if they wanna have a better life experience and better relationships and better. Conversations is an and better Things like that even business sort of related stuff and. I'm quite curious because I've just kind of glimpsed at what it what it's about and I'm like oh I've been basically doing that most of my life from what I've heard but I'm sure there's a lot more to it so I want to hear from you. Basically what is non violent communication. Yes so Yeah there's so many things we could talk about but non-violent communications says one thing I've really passionate about and essentially what it is is it's a practical skill set right to deal with conflict warm and second I see it as a map to entirely different consciousness so so our consciousness that were raised in our culture is judgment based so it's what does the right thing to do. What is the wrong thing to do? What should you do what shirts you do? And the people who do the wrong things. They're evil bad and they deserve to be punished. And the good people those those good people they deserve to be rewarded and it's all coming from judgment and we also another flavor of judgment. It is like a label such as a status misogynist or feminists store idiots. There's lots of different things we can call each other. And they typically don't serve connection which non violent communication is really just a tool for building connection and first of all that connection is within ourselves selves so instead of looking through the work through a lens of judgment at the world. We can start to look through this other lines and non violent communication which is based in our feelings which everybody has feelings whether you like it or not you know feel most of us before. NBC kind of see things like happy mad good and bad fine there's not really a lot of nuance there in a row. Care and emotional experience. Nobody can provide a lot more options for us to describe describe internal experience so you know. Instead of just man we have frustrated irritated annoyed et Cetera or happy joyful excited enthusiastic inspired inspired. There's a lot of different words to describe her feelings and those feelings a rise in us for a reason. It's not just like just going to go by how I I feel. You know. We're just criticisms you hear. NBC is like well. That's kind of a rational well. Not Communication provides kind of a reason four four feelings and that's that they're directly connected to our needs and those needs are universal. That means that I have the same needs as Jeff. Jeff has as anybody WHO's watching or listening to this House across cultures across ages doesn't matter we all have these needs and of course you can start with the basic things like air and then you know air nutrition but we're psycological being so we are or needs quite complex. We have Mr meaning for purpose. Needs Four Connection Community Support Trust Fund play sexual expression. And there's a lot of different needs and I have a list of those on my website. which later but once you understand that these needs are really at the heart of anything any human being does it provides a path to connect with? Anybody doesn't matter where they are on the political spectrum. What philosophy will philosophy what language they speak is just really helpful as as a pathway to connect and another important distinction attention on violent communication is between those needs the things that we value you can also use the word values incur changeable? Aside from those are the strategies or the things we do to meet those needs which are different than the needs themselves so for example I might have a need for security like financial security. One way of doing that would be to have a nine to five office job right another way to do that. Could be starting my own a business. So there's different strategies that we can utilize in order to meet our means and when we make the separation between the things we do to meet our needs and the knees themselves. We can start to have a deeper conversation about what's really going on and find more creative ways to meet those needs. That's no longer kind of binary very often in order to meet this need. We're not even aware of what the need is like by either. Do this or don't do this. You know and and when we become aware than me because you see like there's a myriad of strategies different ways that I can fulfill this need And with that awareness butterfields is really increases our sense of choice in the choice that's very connected to need for freedom which we all share freedom. Liberty Independence Those are essential humanity. You believe that we don't want to sacrifice a lot. There's more to say but I WANNA floss here checking with you. Yeah very interesting. It's actually a little sounds deeper than what I thought. It was actually have a therapist kind of life coach. Actually he used to be more my therapist now. He's more of a life coach. Now that we've worked at a lot of my issues and as Johnny dupree and he was on my show before any spoke of America Poku last year and he's sort of like a hypnotherapist speech also kind of like a life coach and love the stuff that I've kind of learned from him over the last year or two is when I say I'm having a problem with my wife for example and he'll be like well what what happened. I'll be like well. She got really mad about this and some of the stuff that kinda learn from him is like no matter what she's saying there's something behind it like there's a there's there's a deeper meaning to it right so she could be like. Oh you went out drinking with your friends and I'm angry and he was like well what you need to do or what you should do is is first of all you hear her right. So this is I don't know if this part of NBC or not. But this stuff that I've learned about communicating with people is make sure that they know that they've been heard and then secondly then go well. What's the reason behind this? Like why do you feel that way and ask the questions and then it gets down to deeper deeper deeper sort of problem or issue issue that they feel is unresolved that you can. Then try to resolve. Is that something to do with. NBC Or is that a little bit different totally. Yeah so talk times we start in the conflict and some are saying like. Oh you made me feel this way but I want you dead. Read non violent communication. There's this whole idea of taking one hundred percent responsibility for our emotional experience. That means that nobody else can make us feel a certain way. It's actually our needs either. Being met or not met that those feelings arise from so perhaps in this example is conflict with your wife if she's feeling angry when she saw that you were drinking with your friends. There's the need there it's not you. That's making her angriest her values her knees. What's important to her? So maybe as a need for trust. Maybe it's a need for shared reality. Maybe it's a need for connection. Or maybe she needs fun and play you know and says kind of like. Hey you're getting that. Why am I getting that? It could be a multitude of different things when we look at those knees. As opposed to what Jeff should or shouldn't be doing. It's an entirely different conversation because we could talk all day about who's right and WHO's wrong and we've all kind of experienced what that leads to especially from the anarchist perspective. If you're trying to talk to people about freedom a lot of times they're I'm trying to talk about it in the way of making other people wrong. You know like you guys are seeing the world in the wrong way and we have the right way of seen it. Well I know especially for my rebellious is passed that nobody can make me do anything like if someone is pushing me telling me that I'm wrong. I should be different. I'm going to resist that and I think that there's also a universal human experience. We all have this need for autonomy. It's very important and so one thing you mentioned. Jeff is making sure that this other person feels feels heard so non violent communication instead of reflecting back at the judgments that were receiving like Jeff. You shouldn't be drinking bad husband you are. It's more like an. I don't know your wife's name but saying something like is it. Are you feeling angry because you'd really like to have more trust in our relationship so you kind of translate that judgment into feelings and needs statement and then you might follow it up with breath is that is that right and give her a chance to reflect bagger refined what it was that she said now this can be really difficult to do to reflect back. Doc what someone said and guess what their needs are. We're also like stimulated angry if we're disconnected from our feelings so there's kind of this principle love like if I'm meeting empathy or connection to my feelings in needs to be really hard to facilitate that for another person. So that's where non-communication communication I I feel really about a self practice I as opposed to going out there and trying to get other people connect to their feelings beyond their needs. It's really coming back here and I think that's something maybe united share in our Our history as anarchists like when when I was initially becoming advocates activists you know I started this coalition. I had events that we were protesting going and convincing other the people that wasn't effective really And eventually come back around to real if I transformed myself. That's the most powerful thing I can do. In order to change the world right. All of these systems are comprised of individual people. They're not you can't really change a whole system system without the individuals that make it up changing themselves and you also can't make another person change but you can change yourself and changing yourself a super inspiring for other people to see I know washing. You transform over the years has been inspiring to a lot of people. And that can motivate them to become more introspective themself connected so essentially what I'm saying is not merely mutation stars kind of with herself connection before connecting to others power. That's not where a lot of a star so it is helpful practical tool for conflict like this example. We were starting out with. Yeah yes so. That's one thing I've learnt over last year's is almost everything you're trying to do really starts starts with yourself and that's what you're saying is and that's something that's I could probably a few years ago and I thought I was pretty good the sort of communication and sort of stuff but if she would've went. Oh you went out with your friends. Came over four morning. I'm I'm angry I probably would have said something like Oh shut up. You're always always tell me what to do. You always nagging. And then there's a fight right and and you know I'm not always like that. You know sometimes people kind of trigger you right You know the kind of make you angry. Well leave me alone let me gain. I've been working hard all week. I WANNA go out that kind of stuff but I would oppose it that way and then over years I kind of started to who work on myself a lot more and then that sort of anger sort of thing doesn't come back at them as much. I'm a lot more able to listen. And then once I'm able to listen then and I'm able to ask them questions because what they kind of realized. I've been going through this coaching and therapy. And all this kind of stuff over the years is you. Don't actually really know what you're really feeling a lot of the time. You're kind of confused in your own head legs so if my wife would say something like that she might not even know what the real root of the anger is and so if you can work on yourself enough and then you're able to help them to get to the bottom of that sort of stuff it then you can have a real amazing sort of connection exactly. Yeah most people don't really now they don't have like I said this nuance vocabulary to describe. Their emotions. Also aren't really aware of their needs most of the time time where we are. Where of is our thoughts and our judgments and kind of what we think about in the ship shouldn'ts and the right runs in the good bags? Right that's kind of the world that we live in almost all the time and so when we are aware that Oh there's this other ones we can look through a feelings needs. We can relate to the people were close those two that are kind of still owns of judgment and facilitate that awareness by giving them a guest. So is it that you're feeling angry because you really the value trust or health or intimacy. Whatever the need might be remember that those needs are different than strategies? He's not are you feeling angry. Because I shouldn't drink right. That's two different things so so with the gas even if if people don't know NBC it helps them kind of land a little bit deeper. Get Out of their thoughts out of their narrative about what's happening and re turn inward and that's really what we're talking talking about right. It's coming back to US coming back to ourselves so we can facilitate that in return by offering a feelings and needs guests. That's how would save saving NBC so interesting. Yeah so we've kind of talked kind of generally about it. Maybe you can give some sort of examples to people elope there. So if you're just a lot of people are watching this never heard about I said NBC earlier TV. And they don't fully understand and I don't fully fully understand it still as well like what would you say to your average person out there what they should be looking into the sort of thing. Read it tonight. Should they read a book for started. You mean yeah yeah get started. Yeah Yeah so if you like to read. There are a number of books out there I would say I would probably recommend Marshall Rosenberg's book Marshall Rosenberg is the creator of non violent communication. It's titled Non Violent Communication The language of life but there are other options One thing you can do is join the compassion course online if you go to compassion course dot org. That's a free fifty two week online class. That takes you through all of the concepts with exercises and there's also a community that's practicing that That's one option. Another thing is to hook up with someone like me and attended training so I teach workshops and intensive retreats retreats may also do one on one coaching working with coach theft certified and NBC is another helpful way. Yes that's what I would suggest ask. There's also a lot of videos on youtube if you look up. Non Violent Communication. You'll see trainings by Marsha Rosenberg again. The creator of NBC hours of material. So the the resources they're out there if you're curious about this go ahead and look into really encourage everyone to do it again. I don't WanNa make it a should because that would be a contradiction with the whole non round communication perspective Richard Shift out of sheds. But I just didn't founded so tremendously valuable not only only in communicating with people across kind of medical variety different philosophical perspectives. Also an intimate relationships. Like we're talking about complex this with your wife but especially parenting if you want to be a peaceful parents if you want to be an unsettling parent non violent communication can really help. You Never WanNa beat grounded in yourself so that you have enough perspective and empathy to provide Coercion free environment for your children to grow up in in also you can become. More aware of the ship shouldn't thoughts that you might have about your kids like they shouldn't be playing video games all day. They should be cleaning up their room and they they should clean up their plate. You know all of these kinds of judgments towards like he's hyperactive and he has. ADHD whatever it is getting in touch with the film's needs underneath that non. Violent communication is really helpful in that regard and also dealing with children are upset. You know someone when he was crying or having a conflict between siblings is it's really useful in that arena so your parents. Yes strongly recommend NBC ABC. Yeah I actually I think almost crafted myself in a few words. I've used in this episode already because I'm actually becoming a lot more aware of the the words as the US and how they affect things so he's pointed out the word should I think I might have said this earlier that you should look into this but if I if I didn't track myself what I was kind of saying even my own breaks I knew wasn't quite right to say Shit I've sort of like you might want to or I suggest that you consider looking coming into this. There are things like that. It's amazing. How just little words can really just change in effect the entire dynamic between people and and he actually brought up? That's one of the courses you can take this call compassion and is that really what N. P. Non. MVP is all about is is compassion. Because that's one thing that I've kind of recognized about myself in my life is that I have a lot of compassion. In fact there's still to this day. Let's say someone walks in and he's just a total idiot. He's like everyone just hates them immediately for it because he's acting I will be the one person ago I don't hate him I actually kind of understand. Just a few things he said. I can't understand why he is Wayne. It's too bad he is that way whereas most people will be like why I don't like them and and that's it right and then that person's come just closed off to any sort of thing and I'm like I'm with basically every single person I ever meet if they have some issues. I'm like there's probably a reason behind in that it's probably not really their fault. pry their parents or the schools or some something happened to them and now they're like this and that sort of thing so so is that kind of like a big part of non violent. Communication is compassion absolutely so none of our communications sometimes is called Compassionate Communication and essentially. It's a strategy like kind of a language map for how to practice empathy with yourself and with others so self empathy and empathy for others and empathy and gender. I naturally compassion. Because like you're saying when you understand why someone is doing something and you're not thinking about what they should be doing what they shouldn't be doing or how they are or how they aren't you know these labels that guy is just an idiot and instead you have this curiosity about that's interesting. I wonder and why they're like that. I wonder what's going on with them. That engenders compassionate so this really is a pathway to experiencing more compassionate your life more compassion. Free yourself because we all kind of have some version of an inner critic. That's telling us what we sure shouldn't do or how we could be better. And how are not gonNA worst enemy me. As far as I can tell we can build a compassionate relationship within our own minds. It makes even more possible to do that with other people and so I think that comes through this empathic understanding of the needs better motivating people and that's kind of the core premise of NBC's everything we do you do to meet a need no matter how imporant or horrific or terrible. Those behaviors are those actions are. There's always a need underlying relying at end also. Probably a context rate like how many people have exists on this planet without experiencing some sort of trauma I would say probably zero people so we all have our past. Experiences affecting our beliefs are thought patterns in our behaviors in all of those behaviors are attempts to meet our needs regardless if they are kind of tragic or ineffective or not but again when we become aware of what that need is that we're trying to meet we can look at. There's there's this is way that I've been trying to meet this. Need say like I'm been drinking too much right. Drinking is a strategy our behavior. That's trying to meet needs. Maybe it's to to have peace of mind or some relief from whatever it is it's weighing on me and when I realized that oh I really need this peace of mind or this relief or maybe a deeper sense of integration with myself so healing from perhaps we can find other more life serving strategies and then drop. Those aren't those strategies that aren't so life serving away and I think that's another I wanted to point to with this whole should shouldn't thing there's I don't want to say that all judgment is bad and we shouldn't judge and we should never use the word should again that's contradiction but there's kind of this Perspective about judgment there's moralistic judgement argument. Right the right wrong judgement. And then there's value-based judgment and that's judgments like yes you should look into NBC if you would like to meet your the need for more effective communication it's not You should look into it or else you're bad so you can see that distinction there so you're free to use the word should it just it. Just yeah be aware of the impact that it can have a look people feel. Oh you're telling me what I what I'm supposed to do but if we can connect it to value like effective communication or connection or compassion Then it's it's land a little differently. I hope that makes sense. Oh Oh totally. I'm actually really like I have a customer interest and all this stuff because I'm kind of fascinated by it just little ways the change. Your words can dramatically affect the the outcomes of those words and you just pointed out a good one and you're right like you shouldn't just pointed out to kind of dictionary you said always not say should but let's be careful how you use it so just to make sure people understood that it's like I could have said you should learn NPC and just NPR whatever compete and just leave it like that and a lot of people will go well. Who's to tell me what to do what he thinks? He's better than we all. This sort of stuff just starts going off but you just just said the better way to say it was. You should learn non violent communication if you. You're listening to the heartland newsfeed radio network broadcasting casting live twenty four seven news. This stream is supported by advertisers and contributions by the follow us on facebook. Twitter and INSTAGRAM's Republican Service Dylan newscast ask for January. The Twenty eight twenty twenty. 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Let's just say things couldn't get worse for macro and if you stick eh to the end I got a great free gift for you sustain tune. Greetings everyone okay. So this is Saturday. I'm looking at a big big big. You know mob here here and that is like At a lot of people you know I'm I'm that's a lot of people. So this is what Paris yes. That's Paris France. France is melting down and again again the welcome everyone this I was with trump report. We deal with a lot of international issues as as well. It's not just about Donald. Trump is the nationalist populist. Wave around the world Starting with Brexit followed up with Donald Trump and then the EU and those we listen to the show while you know that hat trick which has been going on So anyway the EU melting down. France we've talked about in past and detail but France and Germany have been sort of the the power team that's been driving the globalist movement of the EU for decades. So Germany sort. I've had the capital and the money and France sort of had the mouth and the cultural influence. You know Hoity toity. You know that kind of you know after all. It's French French perfume it must be. It must be league elitist. Love that sort of thing. I'm being a little a little condescending with it but it's Kinda true who's the French had the image. The Germans the Germans had the had the money honey and those two were the power couple pushing the EU and finally. It broke George Soros just this past week at some speech came out and he mid did he. I mean he knows his life's work trying to turn this old world into the globalist. A one world order is falling apart. He admitted at a conference conference that this twenty twenty election of Donald Trump will basically make or break the future of the world and then this is George Soros. I mean he he sees exactly what we're with people talking about and France has been a critical part to this because being being that it has to be one of the power couples in this The French revolt is what did the whole was watching. Now the threats it occurred. It's given more life to the French to the French riots. The yellow vest row say the yellow vest riots that we've covered on freedoms Phoenix since last year. I think it was October so I don't know if those that haven't been following the there have been many of the of what normally would be Democrats in this country. We we've called them Democrats Bernie Sanders Regular Blue Dog Democrats in this country where you had those those same people in France and they always supported kind of like the leftist. The leftist candidates well what started happening was a number of policies. All seasons began to be it against their interest. Just like what's happened here in America which is why somebody blue dog. Democrats which trump you know the union. The Union the people and the steelworkers all the people that I predicted trump would win in two thousand sixteen. That's why of course I still have that one dollar bill but anyway that set with that that set is that that's exactly what's happening in France. Is that the blue dog quote quote Democrats and I forget whatever party it is but it's the same thing they basically start to rise up against wants their own leadership's finally around October they. They increased a fuel tax. And a fuel tank was Kinda like the T.. tots here the British colony. Yeah you know during our time. That's what happened. They increase the tax on fuel and hit all of the all the urban areas the farmers all of the people that they assumed boomed always vote quote French Democrat and they said enough is enough and they all came out in these riots. Starting October every single day or at least every weekend they would riot in France Paris that the different different cities within France and it kept going. It's been ongoing. And of course our media will never cover it will. Finally brexit occurred which showed the backbone that can get your way. The people can get their way if they stand up to it and of course brexit is a whole nother area and by the a brexit they tried to the left in England tried every parliamentary Shricke to just keep putting writers on the bill of Brexit for like a couple days as and finally the backbone of the right said. No no no. And every time that you tried to submit any sort of writer to disclaimer for Brexit we will vote it down because we have the clout to do it. So brexit was past this past week as well with a clean absolute clean brexit. It's nothing to it. In other words the less have lost so much power. They're they couldn't even put one just one little CODA onto it which shows that they are done on and so that Brexit went finally the way that people wanted all along. It's not even more so than would have been passed a few a couple years ago and so that has been a signal to the world especially in the EU that the people are routine or retaining their power and that is now what's given even more more. Momentum meant them to the French they also screwed up something else with with with macron which the president of France and then they start having to ride against against macron. He wound up going to the theater way extract two weeks ago when I was a movie theater like a play or something he went to a theater and so many people ride it outside the theatre later. He had to be ushered out by helicopter thing because the rioters couldn't even finish couldn't even finish the play and that was that was a huge event. The fact that it's been chased out by his own and followed by his own people. They're turning on him and then the following week. What you're seeing on that video Ernie is what's happening? It's like it's like the million person. March people were flooding largest demonstration demonstration. I think in French history in which they know they just came out at once. That is France and of course the turtles CNN. You're not gonNA see that you're not gonna see the Fox News isn't really covering it unfortunately unfortunately but that is the meltdown was happening in EU. And it's happening in other countries as well in Europe and around the world. Okay let me let let me how much time we got all right in last minute. Here this segment. I Wanna go ahead and just some of the headlines on Creams Phoenix. Just so you kind of get an idea what's going on global warming versus solar cool down the showdown begins in twenty twenty. What they're talking about? Is they finally got. ooh Look. It's been like a couple of months. We we got a couple of Mo- sunspots. Yea there's some activity. The solar cycle goes about every eleven thirteen years or something and then there's a difference in the suns climate but it's been schooling down over whether they're going global warming global golding. What happens when it gets? It's cold it's starting to get cold and it may have some crop failures in bunch of stuff and we're going to be co wishing for some global warming coming the spring. So what happens woods. Is You have the renaissance where people had a lot of food. Come out of the Dark Ages. It was all about the sun. Then you've got. Hillary claims facebook book conspiring to re-elect trump. So she's saying that we got repo market explained we have luxury Manhattan luxury home. Prices have plunged enj- D- they're going down. Something's cracking congress is now funding controversial Geo Engineering Plan B to spray particles that chem trails else. 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Vote for US getting you got everybody got a job autumn. Pay Everybody and everybody's tax and everybody to pay everybody everybody and it's not working anymore. Just the math finally ran out so now. All these promised employee pension to the government pick us is falling apart they have the state credit is being downgraded. The homeless crisis is freaking out out of control and they have a net out migration of nine hundred twelve thousand residents since two thousand ten so that means that California is losing population poppulation and will lose representation in Congress. They're going to probably lose one two or more. They're going to do whatever they can do to try. And I don't know they're going to be counting a bunch of the emigrants or something to keep their numbers up whatever they gotta do. So the census guys going around there'll be banging on some doors and you know shaken down some out no mountain. Lions get accounted or something because they are going to lose congressional seats cowboy not going to like that too much. We have one of the things. What's it was interesting with them? Is How the left specialty in California. It's like they all their chips on black they are. They went all in on a on a on a on a strategy which was to to basically to to stock up to and and stack up. That is the Supreme Court and the federal judges so that they could get rid of the electoral college and have amnesty. And if they're able to do that then of course all of the all of these illegals they've been harboring with the sanctuary cities would therefore all become voters and therefore that was their ultimate gameplay but the ultimate game plan play exactly and it's all collapsing around them and all sorts of ways between the judges the Supreme Court which is probably going to be permanently generations integrations more and more conservative or at least constitutional will say you're GonNa have all this all apart all of their of their tax base leaving the state as as you're talking about an all although be left to it after this entire strategy this whole Chris play which they did is they state with which which is isolated and marginalized from the rest of the country entry with nothing but people defecating on the streets and it was plagues and no tax base and all these legals that they don't even know who's actually there they. It's unbelievable to watch Karma Karma is a bitch you know I'm looking at what's happening in China here. Here's one of the stories furious. This Chinese defy sensors to mock local leaders over bungled virus response a few hours ago. The New York Times published an interesting story about how China's population elation known for a seriously self censoring their speech online is refusing to be silent in the face of the rapidly. Accelerating the spread the corona virus and Dr. Judy Mike Event. She did talk about she goes. It's it's the same thing. It's just a a mutation or something and I know there's a big big difference with SARS with the big differences and people die or something. No no no no no no what what. What what what is significant in this needs to viruses is is that is that SARS was more standard buyers and that had had an incubation stage of about four to five days then again you know give or take a couple of days this this one is double ten to fourteen days is incubation which means that you could be walking around for over a week not even know it and basically asking? It's everyone around now. What makes this exceptionally dangerous or at least as far as the spreading now granted? If you're under fifty years all your immune system is strong. It's not like this. Is The walking dead plague people dying on the street. Although there are some videos from China of people supposedly who just collapsing in the street whether that's fake fake news and route. I don't know but the thing is it's a virus you know. And if you have a weak immune system to create problems especially in the senior rooms you know in in America where most places that got to be a problem but the the issue is that incubations is exceptionally long there. There's a game I want you guys to check this out. I don't get clogged plugged. I'm not making money to say this. There's a little video game an APP for my iphone IPAD. I play whenever I'm travelling on airplanes. It's my thing I do on airplanes rights. Six it's called Plague Inc.. Have you just look it up right up plague INC it. This game is actually one all sorts of awards it's actually used and stink tank supposedly for for for for for for health for health services groups. It's fascinating basically. You are in control a you are the virus and your job is to infect the world and it is they. It's all evidence based way this is set up and every metre in there is based off of real science about how viruses and bacteria mutate and and basically the parameters are in their cars incubation period. About about if the virus or bacteria which works different or even a fungus. Also you can plug in enter determined whether it's more it's more air bar or if it's through saliva every single component and you therefore try to battle the humans before they can amass a response fascinating game guys. I'm telling you this is what I was getting to. A Judy was good. Go ahead topic. Judy was talking about. Is that so you have these parameters that you're talking about. It's how long are you contagious. And how are you. Contagious airborne is at bodily fluids. Is I mean it's all these different things this is airborne and it can go in. I guess that you breathe it in people coughing that kind of stuff y you know all these people. They're running out of mass. And and how long you're contagious before symptoms and all this kind of stuff. So she didn't say it wasn't serious. She just saying it was expected you. Yeah no she's going. You know this starts here. Mutates the data and the solution is Bill Gates paying for another vaccine round of everybody in laws. And you have to. They go no it. The best thing is a strong immune system. This is where you're right. It's like attack probably the elderly and the young. You'll probably more than most and I just like you know this So they can get rid of all. The old people collecting social security. I mean I know government. They wouldn't do that. That'd be wrong and there's been there's been some thinking and some conspiracy theories of out there and again. You know conspiracies and be correct that it's actually Shalita weapons of viruses from from as a weapon is virus by the Chinese which which escaped so. Some people believe that. That's actually what this is because it's such a unique virus virus incubation of course on the flip side of the argument against that is up to Chinese released already the DNA code for it which you would expect. They probably wouldn't have done on if it was if it was actually engineered. So who knows what that the other thing is. And by the way the one that being studied in China there they were warned not to do it or to get out or you guys. Don't have the protocol or something. They're trying to blame the Chinese for researching it and then letting it get out is that is that that story or what. I don't know if that's where it's come from. But I know it's been speculated that may have been you know Chinese you know warfare kind of virus by I I just don't know right now and by the way I WANNA make the core leash second to Noble Moment When we come back but I wanted so you know what looks ended there? We'll come back. I want to crack a bed. The transmission at least what we know. It doesn't seem to be airport as much as he thought which was a good thing but Table talked about during the break. It's interesting to see. It's had an impact on stock market. Oh my God it affected the stock. Market's excuse Oh okay we'll find found yesterday near Eddie Murphy's shared if you're looking for work you know what I mean by elevator speech speech. It's the short version saying just enough to make the listener. WanNa listen more. Even if you're not a job seeker. Effective communication and skills have never been more important with money and attention so scarce now so to cut through the clutter choose every single google word as though it was the last word the person you're speaking to we'll hear otherwise it might be instead of saying due due to the fact that say because in avoid mispronunciations say jewelry not jewelry which could would offend undoubtedly. 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Thanks but it's like watching a star wars movie movie in a barbecue or something so I'm going all right all right Ed. China's GonNa do it again. Well they knew no jumped on it. But I've been through this many times before when you get to be my age. So what happened was there were eight thousand four hundred thirty seven infections that were recorded when the SARS thing hit now is a just as big a deal they were Omagh Gabor all going to die and there was fifty three hundred in China so they they were like here we go now. They had in China. They had three hundred forty eight deaths there and in Hong Kong it was two hundred ninety whatever sorts You know like six hundred and something people died with the SARS thing in the China area now at six hundred something China eight hundred and thirteen worldwide right so this was a China thing and I'm going okay. Why is it? Their diet is that they were more exposed. They didn't talk about your secret they didn't somewhat you. They're crowded on. They got much more public transportation. That could have something to do with it. I mean there's all kinds of reasons the thing is that I'm going okay this you so you don't WanNa take this stuff lately. But what is the solution a strong immune system you know. Wash your hands You know general hygiene. That's that's what cured a whole bunch of diseases is just. I think I build you know. Not keep this dirty diaper. You know in my bedroom and me or whatever it's general hygiene now what happens is this is a serious as it may be. I know that a strong immune system mm-hmm and getting some Claudia silver silver cosmetics dot com. Yeah so this is going to be. I think in awakening can you for a lot of people that as much as we crap and much going alone prairie much as we try and separate from can't escape it. You're going to have some pathogen and you need needed a strong immune system but is this to scare what numbers would scare you that worldwide Rin China billion people in the city. They're getting sick. I I mean when they actually start dropping dead. You gotTA Ebola like recovery of everybody that gets it you know you know. I don't know seven out of ten when people die if you get it or something like that and I keep feeling. You're trying to scare me to the point that they just have the FDA declare that they got got some kind of Ebola vaccine. And I'm not seeing any bolas big giant Oh my God concern of millions of people or something but they're wanting to spread it with a vaccine. I'm going that's not how you get rid of stuff you know. So I'M I. What are your thoughts you know? Frank is this something you know. What's the number we should be worried about when we should care there? Well it's not like I was saying off the air. It's this is not a deadly disease per se. It's just if you have a weak immune system and I'll give actually actually giving you guys a not to give official medical advice but I will. It's worth the price of admission here. I'm GONNA give you probably the number one. I learned in all four years of medical school which deals with. It's called the Anti Plague Formula We've talked about in the air in the past but I'll let I have used it. Yes very good and I will talk about that but I want to just point out the again. This is not Ebola. It's not the walking dead research. However I did say off the air or the or during the break that I could see and just tell you take a breath I could see having quarantines even in America because we just had a case here in Tempe? I think there's one in New York start seeing it like the rest of the world and America America because it has this ten fourteen. Thank you base incredible. So it's not going to just run around the world quicker than anyone can even catch up to it. Thank God it's not that deadly but the problem is that something like this keeps continuing if mutates in which you have irises can if becomes more dangerous than than it's riding on the back acker inside of a virus that has twelve whatever fourteen day incubation and they are on average and that could be a problem but overall it's about that deadly I bought. I could see it would make sense to quarantine only because you can keep everyone home for one week this whole thing will blow over and pretty much extinguish extinguish itself. The problem is how do you have a quarantine without freaking people out. People think you end of the world because you know how the media everyone else is GonNa take it so that's kind of that's sort of a double fledged soared on how to deal with this. The other thing I want to point out and by the way this is this is a story influx. So if I'm wrong on this also you guys check it out yourself but you mentioned that being airborne it might be but I know what what they're finding. It seems to be not as airborne as we thought it seem more more tactile because the the health practitioners to begin getting even when they took precautions that they seem to be getting it through their eyes and so now what everyone's doing they're all wearing. Everyone's wearing goggles now. Seems like trans- transmitted through touching your eyes through through the fluids of your eye now that doesn't mean it's the only way that that can get there air but it makes sense why this disease has gone to other countries and has not taken off in the countries that's been reported at as easily. You would think it would have already taken if taken off. It was if it was that airborne so it seems to be. We're not positive could be airborne but whatever it is it's we can go through the eyes and therefore it also is very the unique close contact with somebody so it's another reason to good sign that he's got to be in close contact. which again if you have a quarantine shut it down and people don't talk to each other? Don't don't parties are not going to work or whatever it is for a week. This whole thing can blow over very quickly so I just wanted to point that out and of course we'll find more information as time goes it was on I want to also mention that the anti play. So this is a guy's got pencil and paper or getting pat out here. We go so. The anti plague is extremely extremely popular therapy in naturopathic medicine. And it's one of the few that there's documentation on there's research actually history We've we've found recorded that people during the times of the bubonic plague us this certain boroughs and in Europe and wherever they used it. It seemed to be that the death the rates went down whenever they used this this concoction. Okay now you don't hear about it much because you can't sell it to anybody. It's not something that you can make money on. You can't Tatton it and here we go. You can make it for like two dollars. Everybody get your pin. Now get ready hands out and what this is. It's anti microbial. It's anti viral member. Antibiotics are not antiviral antiviral. This is antiviral. Antimicrobial Antifungal enhances the immune system in circulation. And everything I said is backed by evidence. Face they solve some of the ingredients against so here we go number you. Just go to the food store. You get garlic onion okay. White or red. Most doctors prefer the reds matter. The horseradish root k not the horseradish jar. Okay you get the fresh fruit. Sometimes you have to go to an Asian market if they don't have it up the street Safeway then you get apple cider vinegar. Those are the main four ingredients. Those four you blend together. Food processor wouldn't equal. We'll go parts you know. It's not rocket science just equal parts. That trick is that when you get done the consistency should be like applesauce. Of course it will well not taste like apple from new and then then when you finish that then you have the secret ingredient which is Cayenne pepper and we always leave that separate because you do not want Cayenne pepper equal parts so you put the Cayenne pepper couple of pinches less at the end you mix it all up and that's the Anti flight formula Okay now and I got garlic bread garlic. I got horseradish root and I got what was the third one was garlic red onion or horseradish root apple cider vinegar and those are equal parts and then Cayenne pepper a few inches at the end. Now you can make a whole batch of it Not only that we recommend a large batch because that way you can take it for a while you could give it to your family so that everyone in your family is being immune while at the same time Ah Off Nel just as bad Also based here bridge for a long time 'cause nothing grows and lastly bars dosage about his tablespoon food four times a day at least okay. I'M GONNA put this in the second hour Right at the top. You know in the second hour Aw Archive. Today's show on January. Twenty eighth are you feeling confused about the current economic reports that dominate the headlines. Not sure if this is a good time to buy or sell your home or feel like the process can be overwhelming and confusing. This is Donna. Hancock was silver alliance realty in Phoenix Arizona. 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I'M GONNA put it up push-button there's going to be up there in the second hour but we gotta say this is not Zeo Cure. You'll forever calm down. I don't care all right. I've used it is not gonNA kill Ya Well I. This is what I would make fun. I'd say I go you. I know how you know it's working because you're not dead wakes you up you take this and if you can survive anti played formula you can survive anything. The man it is strong. It's garlic red onion horseradish root and yet blend it until it's the consistency of applesauce. Put a pinch Cayenne pepper eperin. It take a spoonful for ill times a day okay. Earning Ernie Ernie. You forgot the apple CIDER. Vinegar Apple CIDER vinegar. I asked you. You told me you wondering K.. Apple thanks remains every major text. The maze paying attention thing CIDER. Then or all right right man I keep spelling then Gert no then I used vinegar then. Then you don't know you there. Frank Frank Frank Frank Frank Frank Frank. Losing your Frank I think I lost you frank premier doing. How do you spell deniger nigger come on vinegar vinegar the Vine Gar? That's what I needed Arrigo Beinin Gar not apple cider vinegar guy. Add that in there. How much apple cider vinegar like? I said equal parts so that these consistencies applesauce. That's that's kind of the roads up. Okay okay so apple cider vinegar the same weight as the other stuff or just go partly just as much so it looks like Apple Pie. Whatever show this this is I've done it before and just leave it all season in your refrigerator? Put this way. It don't go bad in last fast and it's strong but now you know a grandma says yeah. I don't WANNA get bogged down on this whole topic. But but I tell you the got the garlic and onion or the two most powerful I mean. They all have their components but they have what's called bonds. They actually helped go. After the bonds that are often sounded bacteria which which is one reason that that that's quite affected and notice that the that garlic and onion have component. where it Kinda chases down everything in your body Eh? You can smell it through your entire body you can smell it for your oars along. He asked so yeah it has to be in your symptoms your system going through everything. Thank you can smell it so I'm just going okay. Must Be Italian anyway. So I'm gone. This is something you can do these these kind of things that I really would rather focus on. What can you do to make it better? How can you cure? How can you defend yourself? How can you increase your immune system? These are not things that they want to emphasized. They're not trying to save lives. They're trying to use this to be more dependent on them and I'm going I you know I'm just not into it. You know I just not into it. Okay so here it. Is You go into the today's archive and played for me. I just put it above our to there. You go you want to know then you go have a place. It's it's January. Twenty eight th twenty twenty and maybe we'll you know we might have put this up on the site before years ago. We did the so. Let's go ahead and talk about some of these other stories. You know I was looking at You Know Hillary talk and she's like she will not shut up about you know she's GonNa. I WANNA run again. Is that true. Is she going to tell you. Look look look like this is fascinating to watch the Democrats. I mean Donald. Donald Trump has. It's sort of like the Kung Fu the movie or so. You have like the old. Yoda sort of character and he goes in and you know he just goes was often just poke see with one finger in your whole arm shuts down and kind of like the Vulcan nerve. That's sort of what Donald Trump has done to the Democrats like. He's he's trying to vote and the Party is shutting down because they were fractured this entire time but they didn't realize the moderates and it's not just the not the average moderate walking around good person private of your neighbors or so. I don't mean that I'm talking about that. The sociopaths running running the establishment again on both parties but they really kind of took over the Democrats since the Watergate years a long process of the establishment Republicans mainly to the Democrats mainly and. That's what the which has nothing to do with politics. It's just it's the party that they've decided to speak enough that they could take over but anyway wait a second anyway but the Democrats you know th. They basically have been convincing people all to to focus on their on their on their on their beliefs but they've utilized the youth us. They've utilized the activity the activism visit of the youth and often the ignorance than I ever Tae of the youth to push their agendas through you'll all the rallies and save the whales environmentalism and whatever and they've count on on them almost like taking advantage of young idealistic people. And what's happened. Is They have created beautiful to see their own Frankenstein Monster Monster. It's like drastic park. They have created all of these young people through decades of taking over the schools and coding all the Socialists. Remember running owning our schools and the S. J. W. Politics and the safe zones and the offensiveness and all the crap that we've been dealing with they now have created this monster of all this youth youth and they end the figurehead of this monster is ao see. And I don't WanNa just states all about her. I'm just using hers. An example that she she personifies what they've have created and Bernie Sanders will spin off of their patron saint right now. But that side is so riled up and so angry especially when they salt him due to Bernie Pretty Sanders on two thousand sixteen. They finally began to see how that they are. Basically they want the they want the the the young progressives to act on their behalf to rally Ali to get on twitter to to basically took to protest through technology that the holder establishment Democrats and Republicans. Don't understand much they want them to just just out there. Do basically do the hit jobs for four the establishment but now they're turning around and biting the hand that fed them and the end they they are revolting. And we're seeing as absolute splits were basically The progressives now are saying they refused to vote for any moderate if it winds up being bite in or whoever warrant they will not vote and the same thing may most moderates. Most Americans are not ready for it for Socialists so they will not vote for Bernie Sanders so they have the absolute split and that goes beyond Donald Trump. They've they're being cold. Would you rather vote for you. Know those what would you rather trump win. Rather than vote for the other side of the Democrats and they said yes so they are fractured beyond belief. It's the battle for the soul of the Democrats and Donald Trump could even more of a reason that he would alec go get in. We're talking about the courts. The Supreme Court this is decades of basically the shift that this country that we're trying to become conservative -servative. I think we're just trying to rebalance ourselves and find our culture which is what this is about. It's not about going far right. I don't think Donald Trump is far right anyway. I think most people would agree with that. It's just trying to find common sense values and who we are as Americans were not socialist with that said one last point. I think it's I think it's I think it'd be wonderful if Bernie Sanders wins. Because it'll finally quit that mono tomato right the progressives that they keep claiming that that if you put a leftist socialist on the ballot then that's what most Americans will vote for progressives honestly believed that if you if Bernie Sanders was up there he would automatically win because people really want the government to take care of them but they're not giving the chance. So we put Bernie against trump and trump dominates and wins it will. It will probably put this to bed at least from the Democrats that socialism does not does not win. If I was a socialist at time was smart with this I would sake let the LET Warren win. Let Hillary run whatever it is. Let the moderates. I'm let them get clobbered and then Bernie Sanders Sanders. Sort of like Ron. Paul was doing let let Bernie Sanders crate his own. His own his own institution let Bernie Sanders Endorse I progressive and let them run in twenty twenty four after the moderate Democrats collapsed. That's what I would do if I was progressive. Of course I still think I'll lose news but they're not going to do that so let's see if they see who wins the battle right now. Hillary Clinton is crime though. Take if been broker Bernie Sanders and we're all burnt Dixon. Not Allow them to win. They go the wires. Takeover of the prison So Taylor has not Bloomberg. It's not some other billionaires. It's not you know they're like you wasting your time. It's Hillary it's either that or or or poor mayor. Warren Warren is done. I think I think if I was GONNA come out ahead in Iowa I want. I've worked for. I would say like Bernie Win One and not let them collapse and that way Democrat modern therefore tossed salad and group vocals. Doesn't you know you have Tulsi. Gabbard sued Hillary on that. You know he's still in Ray somewhere. 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Senator Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania Post idea of a witness exchange which according to an attendee was not well perceived and again according to politico could all come to a head by Friday. That's what. GOP leaders expecting a contentious vote on. Witnesses top automakers including michigan-based General Motors are standing behind. The trump administration efforts to reduce emissions. Rules for vehicles are Mary. Sherman S. or. They shooting themselves in the foot the Chrysler. GM and Toyota are siding with the trump administration's efforts to revoke California's right to set its own vehicle emission standards the Union of concerned scientists commissioned a survey survey to see where customers stand on the issue. Pollster Matt George House One Thousand Toyota owners their opinions of the automaker before and after informing them about the company's decisions on commission standards from the beginning of the survey to them after they found out more of their savior ability drunk by third. It went from ninety eight percent. Total a sixty six percent total. Those are people who responded extremely very or somewhat favorable towards the company itself at the end of the survey the number of consumers who would consider switching switching brands doubled trump's proposed safe roll calls for automakers to increase the fuel efficiency of vehicles by one point five percent annually instead of five percent under under Obama. Admission Standards Meantime Our edgier sears. Reports Pennsylvania has seen growth in its per capita investments in high quality pre K.. But other states states are still doing more he keystone state has increased spending on pre K.. By about one hundred forty five million dollars over the past five years but only forty four percent percent of eligible children are enrolled the latest report from Pennsylvania Partnerships for children's shows eighteen other states with similar qualities standards invest more more per capita in early childhood education according to Kerry King President and CEO of the group that includes states such as Alabama Georgia that generally generally thought of as being very conservative governor and legislature historic lean is led by Republicans but those states are ranked very high and much much higher than Pennsylvania. She says increasing funding for high quality pre K.. By two hundred forty three million dollars over the next three fiscal years would put Pennsylvania on a par par with states and deliver similar programs. This is pianist grandmothers in Olympia today. Or she lawmakers to consider a slate of measures to reduce gun violence. Here's our Eric Ticket off the group grandmothers against Gun. Violence formed after the twenty twelve. Sandy Hook shooting is calling for the passage adjust bills that would ban the sale of high capacity ammunition magazines and assault style. Weapons centralized background checks. And more CO chair of the group Margaret. Hell drink says. She respects the tradition of gun ownership and families such as for hunting noting grandmothers against Gun. Violence is not opposed to safe gun ownership a whole aim some of our work and the work of the gun. Violence Prevention movement is to keep guns out of the hands of people who should not have them and the incidents and Seattle Seattle really highlight that last week. Three shootings happened in Seattle within a couple of block radius in a shooting on Wednesday where one person was killed Seattle. Police he say one of the suspects has been arrested more than fifty times. Those grandmothers are also supporting bills. That would help keep people who cannot own guns from requiring ammunition and while the Washington state patrol dispose of crime guns. He trump administration announced last. Week it will move millions of miles of streams that movable will significantly setback cleanup efforts of the Chesapeake Bay according to Jonathan Jen's era of the Southern Environmental Law Center elimination of federal protections for those this wetlands In Virginia and another Chesapeake Bay states. really puts at risk the progress that we've made in cleaning up the bay and could place an unfair unfair burden on it. Virginia as well the says it will not force Pennsylvania to abide by a regional anti-pollution program for the bay that was adopted. Under president. Barack Obama finally are gladys reports Dobrescu. Lawmakers are scheduled to hear a bill next week. That's designed to ramp up access to broadband Internet and parts of the states. Still stuck at dial up speeds. Jonathan Melodic with the Center for Rural Affairs says broadband is an economic development tool for small businesses in rural communities communities one of the state's key job creators and it's becoming increasingly important for farmers. There is a lot of exciting work happening. Within Agriculture Richard takes advantage of new and cutting edge technologies to improve yields when you have broadband out some of these farms it allows farmers to do a better job. The measure would put Nebraska residents residents in the driver's seat to identify and report broadband gaps to the Public Service Commission the crowd sourced data would then be leveraged to bring federal dollars back to the state to connect areas not served by providers some lawmakers have raised concerns about the upfront costs of such a program but logic says every dollar invested with produce is big returns in both federal funding and increased economic activity. Good the transportation and telecommunications committees sent to hear the bill next Monday I might Clifford the public news service we are member. AIRLESS was supported and Rollin at public service DOT. Org But if we are to be prepared for it we must i. I shed our here with our view because I remember I remember that I am here. Not Because of the past that lies before me but because of the path that lies behind I remember the one hundred years we have these machine After a century of law I remember that. Let us make them the independent here. Just handcock you're on trump trump report day with Dr Frank Temporary here in be full studios of previous. Three's enough cool. Delon good. You know who did. It really is a Keith night. Don't tread on anyone. I give me a dot com. He Debbie blew. Blew it out. I might woo okay. You Win man well We're talking with Dr Frank Tim Bery and we didn't even really get into. I WANNA spend time before you gotta go Aw impeachment I haven't I didn't even look I can't I can't take man I just I can't wait till they get the highlights of or something you know because it's just are you kidding me so give me skip to the end. What's up okay? Well we have just like a segment laughed. We have some leftover things to To bring up and I guess the fact that impeachment is the leftover in the last fifteen eighteen minutes pretty much simple what each Schmitz things turned into. No one cares. Here's the ratings and to further. Prove it I I wanna I just start off something else before impeachment. I wanted to bring up. I promise. We'll we'll finish with us but with the with the Toronto virus going back to Katrina. Some there is a a commentator made a good point that the corona virus which China's handling this in many ways echoes what Russia Russia did or the Soviet Union with Chernobyl. And it's almost like this is their churn Opel event. It's this massive event that they hit because the state does not have the freedom of expression and they shut you down and you're basically babbling state. There is no free free media there and so in essence they have created this lie. That's gotten out of control and in many ways this might be the Chernobyl for China which was a breaking point for for right. It was a breaking point for Russia Russia because at that moment when the Russian people themselves realized that the system doesn't work when the fact that the system no matter how much they want to spend it is for or your best interest but when Chernobyl happens and people are dying and people don't even know and for the record. I just had a patient just weeks a couple of months ago. A patient came came in a young guys about ten years younger than me. Who has one of the worst cases of prostate cancer? I found he and his wife were from Poland. I couldn't figure out where he got it from turned out. He left the nineteen eighty-seven after Chernobyl. He and his whole family back in back in Poland all sorts of cancers so. I still see a second Chernobyl in my office enough but that at that event really changed. How people looked at the at the government and created a nationalist populist movement in a sense back in Russia react afterwards? Yeah at least start to to start the pressure cooker so the question is will this really affect China in a much deeper way that maybe we're not thinking of With this pulled nationalist movement around the world we started show with and then they're you know this is the Chinese turnover just wanted to put that out there. We'll see how they handle it. Next is as far as the very quickly the class of the pop culture all within the last month we saw the class of all the main franchise that we talk about. I'm not to make light of it. But basically the pop culture is the is the only lasting glue of our culture even Sargon Aycot was talking the other day about the next generation. How if you go back and you watch star Trek Next Gen? It's fascinating how how that show was the one of the last shows that we as a as a country generation xers. We all watched watched together. We call unify around that optimism of future and yet all of these shows are being destroyed on purpose almost like Saddam Hussein blowing up the oil wells on his way out almost in retribution. Because they know they're losing the culture wars and over the last month we've seen now the collapse of Star Wars. The last star. Wars movie is the least popular of all of them. It actually is the least profitable of all of them. And the Bob Iger has to confront his his his and as investors this week and somehow explained the disaster that Star Wars and Kathleen Kennedy for the still holding on. That's maverick number one on twitter was fire Kathleen Kennedy I mean it's astounding. Even people supported her are now saying enough is enough. Then you've doctor who. which is the newest episode? came out for the new season. They will not get the S. K. W. Doctor who that is like twelve thirteen percent rotten tomatoes known as watching the show. Then we have star Trek New Star Trek card show which is nothing but an S. J. HE W anti trump show. Because unfortunately Sir Patrick Stewart is like an anti trump and they basically created the federation instead of being optimistic for the future. The Federation now is dark and dangerous and that they're they're anti immigration and their hateful and so So they've created the a whole new reality for their a political agenda and now people are turning on Star Trek in droves so all the last month these major franchises people are just turning their back finally sank. I think it's time to move on and come up with something new we're all done and it's it's interesting. We're seeing at the same time in twenty twenty with this change on the world. was that all said. Let's finish up with the impeachment. Part and part of the impeachment is to two components. That happened recently. One is Kobe Bryant. And why because John Bolton just just came out with this book for whatever strategy he has the as the as the snake that he is as far as they were probably trying to get retribution on trump for not starting ten wars that he wanted him to do and so however that is happening with the so-called draft of this book and the and the Democrats come up with more and more evidence that that should have brought brought up before they did the impeachment of in December of course they rushed through for political gain and now after the factors saying. Yeah Yeah we forgot about got this. And how about this piece of evidence. And how about this new thing. That popped up all from Mr Mr Honest Abraham Lincoln Adam Schiff themselves so all this stuff is supposedly coming hang out. And now the bombshell comes out of John. Bolton's book that nobody's paying attention. No one is watching. This impeachment. Hearing people are falling asleep. They can't get anyone you watch the show and then on the day of the so-called so-called bombshell why but the minute this came out br a Kobe Bryant helicopter crashes and therefore that is where all the news ghosts and so it's fascinating. That helicopter crashed completely undermined. Lied the West. ditz live held Mary that they've done so there's no attention no one seems to be carrying And that's their an they're going circle. Yeah well I watched I flip it on and look at a thing of whatever and it's just it's the same thing as the Democratic House Impeachment and whatever the hell that was and they get up and they go but we don't like him because he's crass and he's bad and he doesn't do it right and I'm going okay. So then they get up and they do a man. He's bad and he's crass and he doesn't do it right and I'm going okay. So then the Republicans get up and more today. Say I didn't even watch. I mean they're going with these guys jack up like polio or what's to Republicans have been saying. Well it's interesting. You're saying that because the Democrats keep wanting more and more time I'm just throw out more evidence but if you actually watch it and listen they spent hours and hours basically saying the same thing. It's Adam Schiff constantly just repackaging the same the same points just how evil. DONALD TRUMP IS KEEP in mind. Also every person that's been testifying you're talking ten be Put under oath the only person out on their side. That's not under oath. Is Adam Schefter. So it's interesting. He's the one that gets all of the time to say whatever he wants because he's not the only one one that's not under oath strangely enough. Well it's also if your member of Congress or you get to say whatever you want without the liability ability there's some protection under understood. Of course the other way the House Adam Schiff. That's made up the rules on his side. But that's the story so he's they went for two or three days may probably wanted more time. Just keep laying out all their evidence but there's nothing there it's like they just keep repackaging. They just say they don't like it. He's a BOOB. He's just it's it's like a political campaign just like another another podium. I don't care now I get what I'm saying is the Republicans. After the touchdown Dave from days you're going on and on and on the Republicans to Geico case to our And they said basically the BS because Xyz and they made king so strong and ironclad. There's much sometime. They say Frederick and they basically dropped the MIC. After all from the six letter of Captain Mark a pirate's life is characterized is by voluntary interactions. Unfortunately the crown presses everyone into involuntary servitude landlubbers believe slavery was abolished years ago but the crown still claims to own us when it comes into service against our will given sufficient ambition it would gladly draft thousands of hapless victims to kill or be killed. It's simply slavery every by another name. landlubbers routinely commanded to serve the so-called justice system in jury duty but before you swell with civic pride. Consider that how you feel L. is irrelevant to the crown you will appear as ordered or face punitive measures the crown insists that you participate in your own oppression. A jury summons provides pirates to the unique opportunity to obstruct injustices a jerk and vote. Not guilty even. If it's proven the law was violated Jerkin equipped for any reason at all and not even the judge can reverse that verdict receiving a jury. Summons is basically winning the sedition lottery. But if you reveal that you know this during jury selection you'll probably be dismissed. If the crown foolishly crimson pirate jury duty. It behooves the pirate to conceal their intention to nullify unjust laws. If he master takes one hundred percent of your labor it's called slavery but if they only take fifty percent they call it taxation a difference of degree not kind whether the crown claims a fortune percent is irrelevant. Most of all a slave owner desires contented slaves meaning thoughtless ones that accept their bondage. These house slaves see no contradiction and being drafted in a war to end slavery or summoned to a jury to prosecute tax evasion and ideal slave knows no higher call than the masters will the crowns highest earliest ambition is that it's slaves revere the authority. That's subjugates them but the crown does not own me. I will not surrender my time and treasurer to the crowns ambitions. Join the conversation at PIRATESWITHOUTBORDERS DOT com. Are you a crypto currency advocate. The crypto tip is the ideal outreach tool to help new people discover crypto currency. It's a printable business-card-sized tip that you can give to service providers preferably in addition to a cash tip when server scandal Qr code it'll bring up an explanation of crypto currency how to install a wallet and allow them to claim the tip. If they don't claim the Crypto you get your tip refunded to you. 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FM to be a part of the show call six zero two two six four twenty eight hundred six zero two two six four twenty eight hundred and now ernest handcuff back. Dr Franks gotTa go Dhabi. Nago are GONNA yacking here. Get into you. Know it'll be mopping up the block the walls but you know frank wants to make sure says something else something you got something say something. What but while yeah? I just two quick things the first is you know. I'm curious what you think and also your listeners about yes I just don't think you think yeah okay so so I just was curious about you and your listeners. One email in about how much interest you have in this impeachment trial. Ernie Ernie asked me towards the end of the show and I did give my quick thoughts on it. Basically of the overall strategy or lack of the Democrats in the efficacy of it the fact that no one's is following it. That's really the main point. I think the real the the meltdown happening around the world between France talked about the globalist shutting down the pop culture. The other how this how this krona viruses and be covered. It's one of the first real epidemics in this new nationalist globalist few view of food fight going on. There's so much more going on and yet technically this is the trump report the genesis was. You know Dr Tampa Undying love for Donald trump even have donald trump bath towel dry off in every morning shower except that said in all seriousness. I'm just curious interest because I don't want to waste everyone's time because I'll spend a lot of time going over the details and the strategy and the back and forth. What's happening and I could go over that detail but many any times when I do and I'm not trying to give hard time but I'll get all this detail down your responses? Don't you know I I don't care. And it's just the day them those and and into ouch quit it and it just gets thrown away so I don't mind details matters you and the audience are curious about it. Otherwise there's other things to talk about especially the fact that even people who follow this aren't really follow it so I all fairness I don't want to get short changed any of you. That really are tuning in for the so-called trump report. And it's like I'm along down on my duties so that's the first thing and just just you know may give comments. Let me know the last thing I have to go. Whatever happened if it is true? True or not with Peter Schiff. I heard he lost all of his bitcoin. Did he ever get it back or do you know about what shifts Posey. He lost all of his bitcoin. Tim Tim Davi probably knows more about this he. He thought his pen was his password and he didn't remember his password so it was him. You know kind of thing you know anything about that Dhabi. Y- shift losing his bitcoin thing or something Um remember the password. Yeah no it was it was I look at it later and they were saying. Look man it wasn't you you didn't write down your seed words you know. He didn't write down his pattern. And all that stuff so it anyway it was. You know okay boomer moment you know so so so do you ever get it back or I don't know probably not. I'm not sure he wants to. He's like nope didn't have grandma just button. So therefore I I don't like bringing it up as I'm sure your ship will love to just hear that harp on that but I was just wondering if he ever did and what the reasonings works obviously according to him every Bitcoin Owned was on that one account and it's lost which of course he will use like you said grandma adjust it someone like him to lose all that money than hourly practical is it anyway. I don't get that's a base but I was just curious I all I know about it. Probably kind of human error thing but that's no customer service uh-huh exactly anyway. Maybe temperatures in China at some point later on that target guys. I have to get going and save the world and the virus so take anti-plague. Hi Plague and we'll talk to you next week on the trump. Thanks bye co well this. Is You know it gives opportunities Yak now. What I did did is? There are some guys in the declare your independence Ernest. Hancock telegram now. I don't usually do a lot of live chat and kind of we're working on a lot of different things and we're making decision last night. We're going over this and talking to Derrick about a lot of things I am satisfied with how telegram program in the group works. And there's a lot of guys I know. How do I look to see how many thirty nine people okay so I go? There are thirty nine people in their. Can you know whatever so I'm like. Yeah you know you guys WANNA participate. I'm looking at the screen now. I don't have another guest. It's me Dhabi now Dhabi and I what I the the first thing I wanted to do is I put it up here. I wanted to read the letter that we finished that we were going to do another letter. We're kind in a development and it might be a short story or something that Davi does on its the rescue a prudence which was captain kids sister and and you know how do we you know we kind of like if we don't both agree on something. I don't WanNa do it because we need to agree on. You know how we're going to develop it and whatever and it just wasn't wasn't coming together so we're like well we'll shell that and if you WanNa do something you can do whatever but I wanted to keep the book kind of PG man you're taking by the state and you're in did you get sexually molested and how much and what degree in. What are you gonNA? I'm Gon- you know. This is for junior high kids now. Now this is you know with the big words and big concepts and big ideas. But you know. I don't want parents to be uncomfortable. Handing it to there's seventh-grader seventh grader. Given it to their parents and I'm not freak out so it's kind of you know that rule that we're using because I got grandkids and I want to be a useful document for. I'm not trying to do anything other Dan to expand freedom and just that has got enough problems. But I'm telling you this is a game. You know the immortal games I of course they're going to ban them. Of course they're GONNA you're expanding with just the kind of stuff that we're doing now the other letter that we did the tenth letter of Captain Mark is escape velocity now escape. Go ahead before I I read it. Dhabi explained to the people. What escape velocities about why we did it? What you think the impact is you know? And then I'll I'll read it. But what are you hoping the audience gets out. I mean escape. Velocity acidy is just It's the it's the speed with a lot closer. I'm tethered here if I pull it in and closer almost start knocking things over. The scape velocity is a term for just the speed at which a vessel or a shipper rocket or really anything can escape the Earth's gravitational pull and enter into orbit and as we were talking about the other day like gravity and and geosynchronous orbit like stay maintaining in orbit is a function of speed. Because you have to you have to be accelerating outward word faster than gravity is pulling you in word and so the metaphor is just at the crown is essentially like a source of gravity told us down Acre and Hook. Yeah so as long as as long as attempts at disruptive technology I mean we're talking about transportation in this article but cryptocurrency currency and whatever other disruptive technology exists as long as that develops faster in the pirates sector in the crown sector. Then you're always ahead and now it's kind of a point escape we're also is like okay if it pleases crown in my allow believe you know I'm I'm I'm gone and once you get off the rock you know what happens and God forbid which direction you go. I mean it's the infinite degrees of Oh my God and it's not just a you know a direction on campus. It's like a you know three dimensional. You could go anywhere. Well the thing is if we have even the slightest lightest faster vehicle even if we just develop a little bit faster than the crown's ability to control just a little bit we're free you're always outside their grasp you're just faster but they they'll go and where are you going to be. Well we're going to have a program that we got Space Space Force waiting on. You know kind of this a letter addresses down and when we come back it's only three hundred and eighty six words so it's not few minutes to read when we come back. I'll do that and then we'll talk about it over. 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Yeah you gotta get in the right place to join a group not create a group you gotta go joining US search for somebody to add onto your whatever arena where you go search and you look for declare your independent boom their shot at POPs up so you can be in there and you can communicate with everybody all right so this is what we're I'm GONNA do. This is I'm GonNa go ahead and read the letter and then we'll talk about it because it's been a few days since I've read it laso. I might see something but too late. We already submitted it to the book and Amazon. So is it up now the new version to buy dob the Dave Communicate with within. Your paperback book is available in the Amazon store. Congratulations you're paperback. Letters of mark has been republished etcetera etcetera. So yeah the the new version version looms on now so now we you know. We have some filling graphics at forty eight pages. You know we had the you know the the play that we did on Nike and they had a bunch of graphics narrow Nasr we fill it up. Just take some of those out because they were kind of you know not as timeless anyway so we take that stuff out. We added another letter all the letters in the book. You order it online and is it online did did Derek to it. I don't know because two letters of Captain Mark and see if you can read needed online so we go letters of Marque. No it's only up tonight. Dan Dare will bugged Erik. Gordon send a thing remind Eric would you please. I just remind him to put that up and make sure he's got it so we'll put the tenth later so if you WANNA get Bella. I guess you're going to have to buy the Book Hough I. I'm going to go ahead and read now tenth letter of Captain Mark Escape Velocity. That's name of it. Czar date four five one thousand nine hundred eighty three eighty six now. What does our date means? Forty Fifth President a thousand ninety eight days in office when we did this and three hundred eighty six words. So that's without putting a date. I kinda timestamps upset without being annoying. In every age crowned establishes its institutional belligerency claiming always in the subsidy the of its aggressions and the righteousness of its motives in response to disqualification of malice and Amalgam of stalwart rebels emerges in opposition when when the crown dominated the land pirates set sail when the crown invaded the oceans. We inhabited secret archipelagos and distant coastlines when the crown colonize a new continent. We moved inland to the frontier. Now the Crown Claims Dominion over the entire planet's surface we explored to the ends of the earth seeking the crowns Absence but found it waiting. If we occupied the bottom of the ocean the crown would still come for us. What space may we set foot upon a molested and if there is is none must we suffer these repeated injuries? Or can we escape. We saw refuge in cyberspace. Pioneers Pioneers of our own digital wilderness. But the the crown followed ravenous for any scent of trade and treasure again we were haunted and our assets seized freedom exists just beyond the crowns grasp and we declare without reservation that we intend to leave when we take to the sky. How high must we reach to stratosphere the magnetosphere the moon? How large is the crown sphere of control? The crown has no claim over any celestial body. So we will become celestial bodies we are fugitives from the crowns unjust and irrelevant order not colonised. The crown lays claim to territory property and citizenry. But but it's most preposterous claim is to legitimacy every port where this racket finds safe harbors threat to the sweet trade. The crown can make whatever vociferous proclamations at once about space traffic management orbital debris mitigation extra territorial sovereignty ready all sounded theory signifying nothing the illusion of the crowns legitimacy is an anchor we have jettisoned and left behind wind. We have synthesize the motives and discoveries of humanity's previous departures and determined that the crown has no incentive to tame any frontier frontier it engages in exploration to facilitate further conquest and ventures into space to point weapons back at Earth are launch into the black became imperative from the moment of the crowns inception and once our velocity surpasses crowns by even the slightest margin. We will be the voice of humankind to the galaxy so the point is here in neon pirate speak is that we know they're are gonNA come after us. You know they they. They're they're hunting us down and season our assets. Because there's somebody got money over there we gotta go get our and whatever it takes for them to do that so then the idea now. What their research on this was what Dhabi telling about? You know where you got A and we'll talk about some of the phrases that we put in your So that's true bodies. He's in their sovereignty thing and their space debris mitigation all this other crap word all that come from essentially just a survey of existing law on the subject of Space Travel Space Command space for the Space Competitiveness Act or whatever Outer Space Treaty Outer Space Treaty. Yeah basically anything. The government doesn't have a lot written on the subject of space travel. So I just read all of it. It was will not that. I mean since nineteen the outer space treaty was sixty seven sixty eight sixty seven sixty eight sixty eight they. Hey you know. It was Soviets in us or we put nuclear missiles in orbit rain down. Death on when push-button whatever the hell and they all peaky swear treaty. We Undo that. That'd be wrong so one I don't believe anyway and that treaty didn't even mention individuals didn't talk about. It was all about nations nations nations. Shall this name shall not that. And they must they can't and whatever but one of the things in there. The crown has no claim over any celestial astral body now that was one thing in this space tree it says no nation can claim the Moon or Mars or asteroid. Or something like that. And you're going okay. Hey so can we be celestial bodies celestial body piece out for me that's one of the more interesting parts of the of the a treaty because it doesn't define celestial bodies so if the if the treaty says it all of these nations of the world sign tree that says that no nation can claim sovereignty over any celestial body in what sense earth not a celestial body. I you know I'm I'm I'm up in the stars I'm cholesterol. Also you know boom so this it just goes you writing this. They're going go dammit. They're slipping between my fist of control. Here between my fingers tonight got. We'll add another line and another line and another line and another line. It's one thing that'd be interesting. All humans master. Whatever how much you got to change your DNA before for your mom or done you know? Do I on your new species altogether in. Yeah I mean I am not convinced that I'm not already new species. Don't care anyway it's just your served threat. You know they. They'll have a special minority status of we gotta go get Dobie. But the when they're talking about the crown will make whatever disinterest proclamations at wants about space traffic management or will debris mitigation extra territorial sovereignty. Now what's happening is they'll go. Space is getting so crowded we gotta worry about spaces big big. That was the one thing that I was like. Really when you're watching like fire firefly or something or out in the middle of ood. We bumped into another ship. I go now. You did speak now. And they crawl pass each other going opposite directions and like all right so this is this is needs to be discussed and I wanted to get this in there because because it what this does is it's built up to two things. One when our velocity surpasses the crowns announced by even the slightest margin. We're done we're gone. They can never catch up is to woo Car and my rear view mirror disappearing over the horizon as I go. Oh plant coming to get me. ooh ooh ooh and then they're gone. 'cause you're going faster well humanity Eddie. Always goes faster than the crowd. So we're good. We gotta get away but they want to camp out where they think you're going We got you now. You know well if if we go. Faster order we on boys of humankind. Today's galaxy take us to your leader will have one so I guess you're talking talk okay. 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Well a lot of the discussion in the declare your independence. It's telegram is about the election. They wanted to talk. They were tuning in for Brecon trip. Report Frank's here anymore. The let's see twenty twenty Yada Yada Yada coincident trading. Doing our members got yeah. It's the election in. Oh do I have to. I ain't channel I on the the letters that we do. I'm wondering what kind of long term impact we can have on. It has had an impact. We've had a lot of input on a lot of different things. I'm trying to preempt all the doesn't matter who wins. It doesn't matter what they do. It doesn't matter as much ado about out. Nothing you know and what I think is coming and what we're seen and it's already happening in California. It's going to be money. It's going to be the pensions. It's going to be the pensions that is going to do this. Now you know now everybody's not going at it in the they don't need me anymore reacting about what they want to talk about. So I'm looking at the Phoenix and I look at the the articles that are up and I wanted to just do a war shack test real quick on Davi here Virginia. Congress Chris Continues Gun Control Frenzy with nine more bills ignoring the protest. Okay so here you have the Democrats in charge. They stopped they pulled back. Jack Got All these guys with. The guns are commendable. Hail no but the Virginia is the beach that the Democrats want to die on. You know they're going to be doing gun. Control gun control is what kind of issue with Dhabi where you think. I mean if they're going to ignore you ignore them them. I mean I think that. I think that it's a little silly. If you really believe that you're going to get into the the the Internet they call it a bugaboo or whatever if you really think you're gonNA yeah like resist the government with rifles. It seems stupid to show up open carrying because that's just revealing to your enemy what you're armed with like if you really if you really WANNA flaunt the law odd thing to do would be to do it in secret. I mean there's white gun. Registration is silly. Like if the original intent of the Second Amendment is to take on tyrants having the tyrant have their enemy register what weapons they have is absurd. Yeah no no no no and that's what we always tell them like. You don't think that they have facial recognition at these rallies. You don't think they're not sizing up. Who's armed with what like? You're just giving away tactical information. I don't think they care. I think that they go. Yeah put me down you know and and if that many people are that animated to do that how many of you are there of people like what you're talking about you know they're just like now need to go down there. I'm not revealing. Screw them you know. So if you've got that many you know there's a lot more out there the one staff that really got me to me might just this is do. You can't get away from this. There are more hunting licenses in America. Ed then all the world's armies combined and they're all snipers or most of them because I said that one time at discussion group android goes there's no oily shotguns. Whatever okay so you're close and guy but you know this is? I don't see how this is going to play out in Virginia. Virginia you know so what happens. Do Do Republican Gun Owners Day Razz up and come out and vote. They always have in the past. You know I I think they miss read. The tea leaves here. I don't think they're going to get what Neil coming to. We have also done a put up. Attorney Mark J victor. He spoke at the Arizona State Convention. So Yeah we had their state convention and you talk about Eight candidates spoke for Libertarian nomination. you know it was it. It was interesting. There was a gathering. Nine candidates showed up. Okay now. We'll talk about that too. Attorney Mark. Victor spoke and he did his three L. p. l. l.. Lp Live and let live principal party. Whatever he's GonNa do that talk? Did you hear his talk. Knock on wood. I've missed a he good. He did well. I mean you kind of toned it down a little bit. I've been very critical of you know. I'm like wow compromise more so he He made a good case. This is better. You know a lot of the critiquing conversation and whatever kind of toned it in such a way that it was a lot more acceptable apple now instead of just call but he did. Do you. Crazy libertarian like he was talking about Bourbon. Supreme and Taxation is theft theft Berman. And he was like that. Ask the crazy people. I can't believe you get paid tens crazy and I'm going you know that adds flavor. That's contrast traffic. I I enjoy that. I mean it's nice to you know I don't know I hadn't got options but you know I don't have a problem with that. Well Marcus kinder gentler or you know judges and attorneys and doctors. You Know Picking Libertarian principle to call it something else now or something anyway. So he's going to test this Hawaii he's probably going to run for. US Percents Senate eventually. And I said Yeah I'll give you a week. I'll give you two. I'll give you a month. I'M GONNA why so I'm just go in. We'll just you know made you look. I mean I'm the make you look guy everybody you know there's mark so we'll we'll have some fun. We'll get something going on because kids school. Ken School in the Dairy Professor at Honolulu University. See there and the guy that did the adventures of Jonathan Gullible and responsible for the animation of the philosophy of liberty. We work with them on you know a lot of things and now headed added that is Yosick spindle the head the Arizona Project which is all these young people from all over the world coming in and we'll get them before we go on the trip. That'll be fun. And we're working out that with Donna. And he and his wife Mart Maher Mar Marta. I think that's how you say and beautiful young thing. He's young guy they're just you know Merka and they like come stay in Arizona and by doing this project check thing to get permission I guess or something but they have these people from all over the world you know South America Central America Asia China Europe Russia Ukraine Nepal. I mean from everywhere Africa. So it's just amazing. They come here. And they are their own Liberty you leaders in their own countries. They just come here chest kind of see what's up and talk to different functions. They get exposed lie different ideas they travel. It's a really good outreach. Thing and Yosick was one of the first guys that did under Glenn Cripe Language of liberty and then he was so impressed with it. It had such an impact that he created his own program and he's getting support from a lot of people so he's going to be presenting. I think next month at the discussion discussion group and so it's that he's got a really good example of how this is really going to change. It's just general general public opinion. This right keep going on about so and markets kind of taken that to to rebrand. He's writing a book he's going to be it's all you know. L. D. Three LP nowadays live-and-let-live co L.. There's no central plan for freedom. So I'm all let's see we got You know the Anti Plague Formula Donna. Put it up okay so there it is on front. Page this corona virus. You never let you L. I.. Good crisis go to waste. It's Yup Yup here we go. Now this article we have the Karuna virus nineteen eighteen eighteen all over again by Jane Orient. She is the director the head of Association of American physicians and Surgeons. which are the guys? They've been conservative it gets the AMA. They're against this. They want more freedom and choices and patient. Doctor relationship doesn't have them nausea with uncle. Sam Okay that's their thing for decades since like war too. I mean it's been they've been at it for a long time in the forties. I think they were created. Now what Jane is talking about is she's Sued Adam Schiff for his role in censoring of Vaccine Information Mation. So this was what he did. Is Adam Schiff sent letters letterhead to like Amazon. These guys saying Oh you got to put this down. Take this down to go do it down. Then we find out that there's a secret court. That big Pharma is getting temporary. Restraining orders from closed cases these are cases that have been sealed their secret then they take that order go to bankruptcy court get some corrupt judge urged to do something they extend it and they're taking down all the videos and the facebook page. That's how they're doing it and they go. Hey Man received a notice and this is what I keep talking about all these these platforms. We'll talk about in the after show because he's platforms on. They get a piece of paper with the government. You know Letterhead boom. You're done. I'm going that's it that's all it takes. Yeah I know what they're going to keep doing. So what do we do. Bypass go to the screw tree tree tree. St I'm I'm I don't think I know I know how dangerous are going to be. Okay why did you move to the Shire. I moved here to the Shire. Because there's other people around who take liberty. Just as seriously as I do I moved to the shire because I saw videos of people challenging authority and thought that I could get support myself it. It called to me like do this right now. I wanted to be around people like me who got it and once I got here I knew there was no one else I wanted to be. I've always as wanted to change the world so I moved to the Shire to join people who were actually working towards doing the same thing. The People here are awesome. I'm loving and positive. It was for the adventure and for the feeling of something important is happening here and I just wanted to come to sort of be part of that. Visit Shire Fire Society Dot Com to read and sign the Shire Society Declaration and learn the reasons. Why if you love liberty? You should immigrate to the Shire plus connect with others via the forum at Shire Society Dot Com. That's Shire Society Dot Com. You're already listening to L. R. N. DOT FM whether via our twenty twenty four seven satellite feed online streaming audio or video feats L. Dot FM content is available in multiple ways. But what if all you have is your phone. And no data connection you can call our listen line at six four one seven nine three eight hundred sixty nine. That's a long distance number so you may incur charges if not loosen as long as you want six four one seven nine. Three eight sixty nine. 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John Bolton knocked president trump's speedy acquittal. This week off kilter. That's the take from politico at at least for the moment. Republicans Turner Mitt. Romney said Monday. It is increasingly likely more. Republicans will join calls to seek testimony for Bolton in the impeachment speech control political adding the Senators Susan Collins said it will strengthen the case for witnesses and Lisa Murkowski and she still curious about what Bolton would have to say at a Senate Gop. Lunch Monday senator. Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania proposed idea of a witness exchange which according to an attendee was not well received saved and again according to politico all to a head by Friday. That's what GOP leaders expecting a contentious vote on witnesses. Top automakers including michigan-based base General Motors are standing behind the trump administration efforts to reduce emission. Rules for vehicles are Mary. Sherman has or they shooting themselves in the foot Chrysler Chrysler. GM and Toyota are siding with the trump administration's efforts to revoke California's right to set its own vehicle emission standards the Union of concerned scientists commissioned a survey to see where customers stand on the issue pollster match George One thousand Toyota owners their opinions of the automaker before and after informing them about the company's decisions on emission standards awards from the beginning of the survey to them after they found out more their favorability drunk by a third. It went from ninety eight percent total to sixty not six percent total. Those are people who responded extremely very or somewhat favorable towards the company itself at the end of the survey the number of consumers who would consider switching brands and stumbled trump's proposed safe roll calls for automakers to increase the fuel efficiency of vehicles by one point five percent annually instead of five percent under Obama. Ed Mission Standards Meantime are Andrew. Sears reports Pennsylvania has seen growth in its per capita investments in high quality pre K.. But other states are still still doing more the keystone state has increased spending on pre K.. By about one hundred forty five million dollars over the past five years but only forty four percent of eligible children are enrolled the latest report from Pennsylvania Partnerships for children shows eighteen other states with similar qualities standards invest more per capita capita in early childhood education according to Kerry King President and CEO of the group that includes states such as Alabama and Georgia. That generally are thought thought of as being very conservative governor and the legislature historically is led by Republicans but those states are ranked very high and much higher in Pennsylvania. She says increasing funding for high quality pre K.. By two hundred forty three million dollars over the next three fiscal years would put Pennsylvania on a par with states states deliver similar programs. This is pianist grandmothers in Olympia today or lawmakers to consider a slate of measures choose to reduce gun violence. Here's our Eric Ticket off the group grandmothers against Gun. Violence formed after the two thousand twelve. Sandy Hook shooting is calling for the passage of bills rules that would ban the sale of high capacity ammunition magazines and assault style. Weapons centralized background checks and more CO chair of the group Margaret. Hell drinks says she respects exa tradition of gun ownership and families such as for hunting noting grandmothers against Gun. Violence is not opposed to safe gun ownership a whole aim of our our work and the work of the gun. Violence Prevention movement is to keep guns out of the hands of people who should not have them and the incidents and Seattle really really highlight that last week. Three shootings happened in Seattle within a couple block radius in a shooting on Wednesday where one person was killed. Seattle police say one. One of the suspects has been arrested more than fifty times. Those grandmothers are also supporting bills. That would help keep people who own guns from requiring ammunition and would allow the Washington state patrol to dispose of crime guns. He trump administration announced last week. It will remove billions of miles of streams that move will significantly the setback cleanup efforts of the Chesapeake Bay according to Jonathan Jen's era of the Southern Environmental Law Center elimination of federal protections for those wetlands this In Virginia and another Chesapeake Bay states. really puts at risk the progress that we've made in cleaning up the bay and could place an unfair burden written on Virginia as well the he says it will not force Pennsylvania to abide by a regional anti-pollution program for the bay that was adopted under president. Barack Obama Obama finally are gladys reports Nebraska. Lawmakers are scheduled to hear bill next week that's designed to ramp up access to broadband Internet and parts of the State Age so stuck at dial up speeds. Jonathan Ho logic with the Center for Rural Affairs says broadband is an economic development tool for small businesses in rural communities. One of the state's key job creators. And it's becoming increasingly important for farmers. There is a lot of exciting work happening with an agriculture that takes takes advantage of new and cutting edge technologies to improve yields when you have broadband out some of these farms it allows farmers to better job. The measure would put Nebraska residents in the driver's seat to identify and report broadband gaps to the Public Service Commission the crowd sourced data would then be leveraged to bring federal dollars back to the state to connect the areas not served by providers. Some lawmakers have raised concerns about the upfront costs of such a program but Alaric says every dollar invested with produce big returns turns in both federal funding and increased economic activity good. The transportation and Telecommunications Committee is set to hear the bill next Monday I might Clifford from public do service. We are member ERLA supported and relied at public service DOT. Org You guys. 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A bit of a neophyte whereas the sailing World Hall of Fame Paul Well It's in Newport Rhode Island back east close. Thank you so Actually that was taken over by the US sailing hall of fame. So I was in the first class of inductees in the US sailing hall of fame in two thousand eleven. Oh My I remember my my dad went to. OCS For the Navy and in Newport Rhode Island and I remember reading a story back around the civil war was there not a A newspaper magnate in New York. Who couldn't get into the club so he started his own in Newport? Is that how Newport was born sort of the sailing capital wow. That's that's better our history than I could be. It could be. I mean really what Newport was famous that the the America's Cup was is the most famous sailing trophy and the sport of sailing and it was one and eighteen fifty one in England and it was brought back to the states it was called the hundred Guinea Cup and the Americans from the New York Yacht Club which was in New York. City MHM renamed at the America's Cup and they raise for a number of years on long island sound but somewhere in the I would say in the early maybe around the twenties. They've moved it to Newport Rhode Island because the competitors in there like Mr Vanderbilt they all had very large mansions up in Newport Rhode Island in Rhode Island so then from The late twenties all the way through one thousand nine hundred eighty three when Dennis conner lost the America's Cup for the first time ever after one hundred thirty thirty nine years in the United States it was raised out of Newport Rhode Island and we just talked to Terry Hutchinson the the last couple of weeks about the American magic team and certainly the New York Yacht Club is vying for being able to take that trophy back. Yes point in time. well as I you know. The through the history of them only are having possession of the Cup for one hundred and thirty nine years leading up to one thousand nine hundred and having challenged for numerous times since it left half the country New York Yacht Club is really the the godfather of the America's Cup it is. What do you think of these foiling money? Hauls then we have the seventy five versus the ones that you were sailing in the America's Cup here in May so in the bay in two thousand thirteen. We had foiling multi multi hauls now. They've gone to foiling monohulls You know it's just a great display of technology and and what What you can do with just mother nature power rather than you know gasoline powered Votes but the truth is that The faster these boats go the less tactical will and strategic the racing is and so a lot of us. Believe that the better boat for the America's Cup was the votes. We had in the late nineties in early. Two thousands which was an eighty foot monohull one of which is on San Francisco Bay. You might see it. It goes out regularly. That's Larry Ellison's Older boats those boats votes were heavy. Displacement still pretty fast but they they produced a much more strategic and tactical race and and one that depended a lot on the cruise performance performance the maneuvering with the spinnaker and the complexity of maneuvering. Those boats demands a lot more of the sixteen man crew than the current boats. You know And you're a local person like like we are here born and raised in the bay area. You represented the United States at the Olympics in Athens. I was wondering when it comes was to Olympic sailing. Is that sort of thing. Where like if you know how to sell you know how to sail or is it like all the the Germans do this and the Italians do that? And that's very English the way they did that. I mean there's different styles for different nations. is a little more fluid than that. I would say transient I mean Olympic sailing. Ailing is all done in what we call one design boats that means that the boats are identical. You're allowed usually to buy your sales from whoever you want to buy the sales but buying sales. It doesn't mean you have different size sails. Everybody has exactly the same size sale. The same square footage or meters. But maybe can change the shape a little bit to sue you. If you're a little heavier heavier lighter might be flatter fuller but the point of the Olympic sailing is really to find the absolute best sailors the most talented sailors sailors and take. It's the antithesis of the America's Cup. America's Cup is technology competition a lot like Formula One. You have to have a good car driver. Verna Formula One but when he gets it in sync with the technical team and they get the suspension right in the horsepower. Right in the car doesn't break down. He wins and if it breaks down he loses even though he's the best driver ever so the Olympic sailing is all about finding that very the highest talented person and so as far as country to country what happens. Is they train a lot internationally. So they observe each other and they kind of copy whatever's the best technique and whatever was Australian or British Kinda gets assimilated aided into American in Italian pretty quickly well. Speaking of the Olympics the Star is one of your your favorite boats and you're still involved with that and that was the the longest running keelboat that was sailed in the Olympics. I think John F. Kennedy started was he was sailing on that four years after the Olympics adopted it and then you were sailing on it the one thousand nine hundred ninety eight to two thousand twelve and you know. The International Olympic Committee is trying to move towards faster more exciting boats votes It's interesting sailing. We dream that someday. We're going to be a spectator sport. And to some extent the America's Cup some of the high profile events are but we're never going would be football baseball or basketball but they're trying to move to faster more exciting boats that could captivate the non sailors attention. So you've pricing kite boards out here on the bay or wins snows. What a windsurfer is so in the last twenty years they've evolved away from the slow just like the America's Cup they've evolved evolved away from the slower more tactical boats into the high speed You know very athletic boats and The Star got the boot and two thousand twelve. Well now they're like sale. GP They're above the water now. I mean literally flying on blades. Yeah it's I don't know if you've ever heard or seen ice boating but the concept deceptive ice boating and says boat. That's on ice skates so when you reduce the drag the speed of the boat goes up Tremendously and vote. Kinda makes its tone on wind. It's I won't really try to bore you with the science of it right here. But for example in ten knots win those boats regularly do thirty knots about. Let's be wow so people are like how could you possibly. It's only blown ten knots. As a thing going three times the wind speed but they do and That has a lot to do with the loss of drag back. I noticed in the America's Cup to that something that we had to grasp a concept of like you know in the World Cup or the Olympics. It's very nationalistic. But you could see team same. Italy team You Know New Zealand team America but there seems like there was a Kiwi skipper on. Everyone have you ever been tempted to or been asked to raise for other countries. Yeah I have and I was probably one of the pioneers and that not Not overly proud of the fact From a Patriot Patriotic standpoint but in one thousand nine hundred skippered the Italian boat in the America's Cup and I won the Lu Tong up beating team New Zealand and a lot of other countries. Then I had to race against America in in San Diego. which was the town? I was living at the time and a member of that yacht club. But that's where professional Michael Schumacher drove the Ferrari car. It's sort of where the line blends between sport professionalism and then and in professional sport you tend to do whatever's allowed by the rules have the best advantage to win. That's what the team sponsors want you to do. So probably just look more to the rulemakers. It's an unfortunate aspect. That oracle was all oracle Oracle. Larry Ellison's team had nothing but Australians and Kiwis on the boat but the rules allowed that and we talk a lot in our scored about tightening. That up happen but it's still It's a little bit tighter this next time. But he's still can have foreign people on the bone so that's where you got nickname. Pablo Jarido. Although actually they called me Paulo Care Dini Italy. Well that was a different country. Well that was how it got. Translate it to me on the ferry this morning people from around my call me Pablo so it's interesting when you think combat the fact that A lot of time sports like this and Olympic sports. You're more recognized overseas so like I in Rome if you walked onto the street today go. Hey Paolo Paolo yeah that happened a lot especially right after ninety two and it still has to that I am better known in Italy than I am United States. It helps that you speak Italian. I do speak fluent Italian and you know back to that that situation we were talking about it on a patriotic since it was tough for me too but from life experience standpoint it was absolutely fantastic opportunity. I moved to Italy. My daughter was born in Italy. I speak fluent Italian. I race on Italian boats still still to this day. I give speeches Italian. I actually commented one America's Cup for three months in Italian so I'm in the big scheme of life. And as we know the events of the last forty eight hours make us all look back at our lives and what we do with our time on the planet I would have to say it was a very very good decision to accept that offer It grew my life. You know huge way. Well you WANNA say Grazia for coming in today We got about thirty seconds. Karen any parting shots. So we're going to keep our. We are with us for the second half because we had a few things to talk about. So we're getting listen now to the Los Angeles Shot Club opening day. A little conversation with one of the boats that won the division trophy there. All right so Paul you can stick around for another take great lots more questions common if you like to call in and it is eight hundred eight seven eight play eight hundred eight seven eight seven five two nine Rick Tuttle Paul Karen Lyle come on back. Yeah This is Karen Lyle sales for talking DOC and I'm here at the Los Angeles Yacht Club since his Doug Oregon and I'm the owner of our J. One eleven pagosa and we've had had this both for about four years and enjoy doing an awful lot of good sailing California on the boat and its Had the joy sailing the boat with my son. Jack who is a CO skipper today. Yes Oh yeah. Basically every yacht club. has a an opening day race race or opening day most have opening day race associated with it. And it's kind of a cool kickoff to the the racing season especially here in southern California and this is a good and time and other clubs are involved and everybody gets to God's beautiful southern California. It's a great great deal. Also you had a guest ask with you today. That was on the boats of the very first time Yeah it was pretty fun. I just wanted to go sailing. I was invited by Jack in His dad. Add on and it was pretty fun. Good way to spend a Saturday next. I want to hear a little bit about the weather. Yeah it was. It was pretty like most of the day. We had Postponing it in the beginning because we didn't actually have enough window get going but then it kinda picked up a bit and then ended up being really nice. The clouds kind of cleared out and the Son came out and yeah it was really Nice Day. We we had a great time Yeah it was a great course. I thought the boat really well as well and we were able to get doc some good boat speed and everything and kind of made a great comeback in the end. Yeah worked out well so I was just in Dublin. I'm going to say and I. I know you're from Cork but you're here in Los Angeles right now. Tell us a little bit about your experience city on the water and then I want to hear a little bit about the revelry between Cork and Dublin note. Today was typical typical day on Doggone Jack for about two or three years on and off now occasionally and they're good pair sale with thought it was a good episode of the boat we have. We have a good time and enjoy ourselves. Well you have the three hundredth anniversary coming up for Cork and there's going to be a really big party there in court three hundred birthday. Three hundred three hundred anniversary has summer. Yeah Tom's in seventeen twenty and there are three Hundred Years Twenty twenty so the series events starting being very soon through September there was talk a year or so ago of maybe getting an entity involved for never have never panned ended up for some people from all around the world. Join us. It'd be good event could well actually. I'm going there. Maybe I can be the entity we can talk about that right. jeeze swaps. Exactly Fagel thank you so much this is Karen Louth and sell sports talk All right thank you. Welcome back to the show Rick tittle with coast to coast and around the world on the American Forces Radio Network. Five hundred dollars. One hundred and seventy eighty seven countries Karen. Lyle is still with us from cell sport. Talk Dot Com and our guest. Today is Paul Cayard who is in the sailing World Hall of fame. And he's is it done at all. We're GONNA talk about his sailing career from America's Cup to the Olympics to the The Whitbread I've always been fascinated with the whitbread. There's something about about the The challenge of going around the entire world so what was the. How old were you? Were you like a cabin boy the first time you did it. What was the first time you circumnavigated? Now I was Ninety seven I was thirty seven years old so I got two and a little later than people you know. I grew up aspiring to go to the Olympics and raising the America's Cup. That was what was big here in the United States. The whitbread was really more of a European event Australians and Kiwis raced in it So I had done three or four America's cups when I got asked to skipper about and it was a little daunting because I didn't grow up as a cabin boy and I didn't have a ton China Z.. Miles but We confronted that race as we would in America's Cup team or a or an Olympic challenge. I brought a lot of my own crew and we. We attacked it. The with the intensity that you would The America's Cup races and that environment it is much more relaxed. And it's you know it's about the not about the voyage but their mentality is they're not pedal to the metal so We had some accidents. almost killed a couple of people. got it sorted out and we won the race big because we basically changed the way. People competed in that race was what I wanted to ask you about moments of peril going around the Cape a potential mutiny can you expound on the the nearly early fatal accident. Yeah I mean as I was saying in the America's Cup world. It's like formula car racing. Okay you come out of every turn two inches from the wall in your foot on the floor When you go around the world's more rally car racing I mean you? Have you have to finish in order to win. If you don't finish so you can break your break people so you have to get into different mindset basically the mindset is I want to go ninety seven percent of full speed need a hundred percent of the time if you're hitting one hundred percent of full speed that's when things can break so since it's a nine ninety day race you have to come with a different mentality and I didn't understand that I was pedal to the metal so the first bad incident happened about ten days out of Cape Town. We were between Cape Town. I'm in New Zealand in the very southern part cold ten days on freeze dried food. Ten days on desalinated water. You don't have the minerals you know the cruise it was. It was snowing. It was very cold icebergs around two. Am and this. One crew member had who had gone around the world once before said He. I think we gotTa Reef the sail. You know it's too. It's too windy and I go you pussy. Just get back up there and steer the boat and sure enough you know a couple of minutes. Later we wiped the bowed owed out and broke a ton of stuff and One of the guys was up the mast when that happened and he was he was attached. But there were some other incidences. Vince is I mean. It's quite a long story. But essentially we someone else panicked and cut the halyards. He was on and boats on its side and then then he was smart enough to have grabbed something else in the short story as we didn't lose anybody but it was a I opening experience to say the least and so from from those experience and learned that it's ninety seven percent one hundred percent of the time and then the way we attacked five from New Zealand around Cape Horn and up into CORREO. I had a different mindset and we won that leg huge and I it really right there. We sealed the win. We won the the whole whip around the world rush how Tom Black Holler he was a mentor. For you at the Saint Francis Yacht Club and I. I'd like to know a little bit about your beginning. Beginning in how how the role of a mentor helped you in your life. Well Tom was the king of sailing. San Francisco Bay and beyond he was a two-time star our world champion and America's Cup skipper and he was exactly twenty years older than me and so I was about eighteen he Noticed me around the club. Then I was crewing on some smaller boats dinghies kind of Olympic type boats and anyway he asked me to sail with him and his star when I was eighteen years old which was a big got in the North American Championship. And Anyway we maintain that relationship we we won some events and then when I graduated from San Francisco State in one thousand nine hundred eighty one. He asked me to do the. Prepare for the eighty. Three America's Cup in Newport Rhode Island and that was my first America's Cup and I did to America's cups with Tom and A lot of other things. He grew and responsibility the second one. I was in charge of the sailing team. And so you know. Tom taught me really had a race. SAILBOATS sailboats. I I kind of had natural talent obviously through I started sailing on Lake Merritt when I was eight years old and so I want to North American championship and a little one man Pram when I was fifteen years old old so I kind of had talent but Tom taught me the strategy and the and the psychology of racing where to position the boat on the racecourse course you know how to work the fleet and he was a great mind you know he was also a racecar driver and he actually died at sears. Here's point doing laps so Out during the day for him. Yeah there's a bully named after him up by four point so anyway he was is an iconic figure and I was just fortunate enough to come at a time where he could pass some of it along three interesting. We're speaking with Paul cayard. He is the chairman of the Saint. Francis Yacht Dot Club in a very accomplished sailor. More questions for Paul It was about fifteen years ago or more. I was doing this show. And it was during the Von Day World Solo Classic and there was a sailor from her. Name Bruce Schwab. I don't know if you know Bruce. But he called in once a week on his satellite phone and it was a very interesting thing for our show and sometimes he would be having a great day and sometimes you could tell he had had no sleep and he was nervous wreck trying to keep his eyes open. What about solo racing like that and knowing that you can only take about a twenty minute nap at a time I mean is that have you done that? I haven't done that and I have a lot of admiration nations those guys that's that's a whole nother type competition and a huge amount of mental fortitude. You know we we had those kind of days to of course we have good the days and bad days but I was with nine other people on the boat. And there's a certain amount of support from the community as you go through those things and the team but Yeah I do know Bruce and a lot of the others who do that type of sailing and it'd be interesting. I haven't spent a Lotta time asking guys like that. You know what drives them to do that But I personally enjoyed the team element I like to be on the team. I played basketball in high school. I I like teamwork so admire you. Know being the chairman of the Saint Francis Yacht Club. Now you're in a leadership role and this is something that it is actually been part of your racing. You have been in executive because putting these teams together. oftentimes it's a corporation with major financial responsibilities and leadership leadership responsibilities as well as sailing. What is your vision for the Saint Francis Yacht Club in this role? Because I realized there's a lot of other leaders we have have commodore. And you're the chairman of the board. How how do you see that role that you're playing now contributing to the club that helps you start out? Well there's quite a distinction Saint Francis Yacht Club between the Commodore and the Chairman of the board. The Chairman of the board is the CEO of the Corporation Corporation. So Saint Francis Yacht. The Club has one hundred twenty employees and a fairly large you know Turnover and revenue. It's it's a big facility and the commodore is the the leader of the fleet. The leader of the members the leader of the yachts the squadron on opening day he We had our vice commodore down at the La Yacht Club opening the other. Oh Yeah Bill. Dana so I'm involved in the business side. which is a lot like when Iran artists and some other America's Cup teams And I really enjoy that. Actually it's more up my alley to to be into the business I'm working. We have a new. Gm Right now this year and working with him and we'll eventually have to do a search because he's in but I I love being involved in the business side You know when when people hear things about sailing they think I I can never do it. I don't have the money and you know you've been you WANNA Louis Vuitton Cup and been the rolex sailor of the year like. Oh this is so high and mighty but I know that your yacht club as others in the bear. They've sort of reached out to make opportunities for people that you know weren't born and raised in Pack Heights who actually have the talent but they don't have the access and you guys have been very. Are you on the forefront of that. Yes we do. Support Treasure Island sailing center over on. Ti and Chris Harris runs that over there and There's a a lot of boats that we help Provide that Are For anybody Intercity kids go there and have They learn how how to swim. They learn how to sail. We also host right at the yacht club all the San Francisco high school sailing teams so We haven't regular you regular regular season high school kids Running through the club and they're not members you know they're just People that we host and we support the youth. I want to ask you this too. Because you know a great baseball scout can see a pitcher warm up in the bullpen and say that guy will be in the big leagues. So can you look as sort of You know you said that People saw your the town eighteen. Can you look at a sixteen year old amongst fifty other sixteen year olds. And you're like that kids got it. Yeah sure you can. You can see that especially you talk to him. He's thinking strategy already. He's just on a higher level than some an intensity and focus is a big factor. Too you know. They were talking about Kobe a lot lately. And you in his intensity and focus I mean. That's that's what a winner has anything in business and in sport. So when you see those personal traits combined with obvious talent Elliot and a sixteen year old or fourteen year old. You know you know. They're they're going to be very close to home that you're it's part of your family that sailing as well right Kenley. Yeah so the father of my grandchild is Following along with my footsteps. He's done to America's cups with Oracle. So what would be is. Do you have something out there. I mean it seems like you've done everything it's like you know what I before I hang up my whatever. It is captain's hat. Is there something that you like. I gotta I gotTa do that. You know there really isn't a I think from a pure competitive sense in the in the big events. It's like the America's Cup round the world race. I'm a little bit past it age wise so I'm not Having hallucinations about going back to that and I still do race A fair amount. I I raised in the star class which is Karen says is the Olympic class. And that's very physically demanding and I'm racing. It's twenty eight year olds all the time and that but No I'm satisfied and happy and enjoying life one final question for you. I remember when I was in High School and I knew a guy that sailed and he said Whoever loses the America's Cup his head will replace where the trophy was Dennis Conner? People don't remember he was kind kind of a big star I mean. He was on sports illustrated and Time magazine. Yeah I mean he was. Everybody knew who he was and to lose it as he regarded as a pariah or just pay man. That's sports. Yeah now he well he that produced the ultimate comeback. So he's the guy who lost one thousand nine hundred eighty three. The trophy was always in the center of the forty four street New York City clubhouse in special room kind of a rounded room. The trophy was right in the middle and they said if that trophy goes out of there ahead ahead of the guy who lost. It's going right in that spot. And he lost it and it was a really rough year and a half for him personally but he put his mind to focus. I went out to Hawaii. Built five boats trained incessantly and won the Cup back and brought it back to the United States the very next time it was held. Okay so he produced the comeback of all time and for that they sodas head back on Paul cayard thank you so much coming. I'm an insurance. Some of your experiences and knowledge. Really appreciate it. Thank you for having me Karen Once again bringing in good gust and Thanks for your time. We'll see you next week. We'll see we'll take a quick break right GonNa cut all come on back on Sports Doc. What a fly somewhere looking for cheap flights or cheap tickets then call? That's right. Call the low cost airline travel hotline now for prices so low. We can't publish them anywhere. Low Cost Airlines has all kinds of cheap travel deals fly domestically and save up to seventy five percent. 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We will have idiosyncrasies. He's job at the stores down. I wish you would try and slap Rick Kittles Mama's face he would clown you man. What is that all about? You know what's funny is we just got a couple of minutes left here in our number one of three. Got A little hockey talk coming up by the way this guy. Paul Cayard is a There was a book about him. Call the polychaete out owner. Skip Appel Mon though the skipper for the world. This guy has lived a raconteur type of life and You Know Rolex ads and You know he's a man's man. If this was any other sport this basically be like interviewing Joe Montana or something so it's Kinda cool man but anyway he was talking about Dennis Conner's brought up I had heard the story that whoever loses we'll get his His head while replace it and I think one of the One of the moral hilarious things when I was in high school the Dennis Conner. Connor was shown on sports illustrated wearing this weird kind of yellow windbreaker and I forgot what company it was but it was a company that I had never heard of it. Just like sailing gear and the dude came. Came to school with. That jacket is like yeah man. It's my Dennis Conner Jacket. I don't know man Dennis callers. Dennis Conner's man Dennis. Dennis Conner's idle. Why do you want to be a sailor? No no school jacket man. Dennis Conner Mike All Right then he lost and he goes. I can't wear that chicken anymore. Mike why not no one gives a damn then he wanted back and he's like yeah. I'm pulling out the Dennis Conner quit talking about the damn. It's yellow it's ugly it's noxious and everybody thinks you stephen other than that. You're great all right. We'll take a quick break when we come back in about five minutes. We got two more hours so get on back. Yeah you're listening to the heartland newsfeed radio network broadcasting odd casting live twenty four seven news. This stream is supported by advertisers and contributions by the follow us on facebook twitter and INSTAGRAM's public service Diligence Casper for January. The Twenty eight twenty twenty. I'm Mike Clifford. John Bolton knocked president trump's speedy acquittal. This week off kilter. That's the take from politico at at least for the moment Republican Turner Mitt. Romney said Monday. It is increasingly likely more. Republicans will join calls to seek testimony for Bolton in the impeachment trial political adding the Senators Susan Collins said it will strengthen the case for witnesses and Lisa Murkowski adage. He still curious about what Bolton would have up to say at a Senate. GOP lunch Monday. Senator Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania Post idea of a witness exchange which according to attend de was not well received achieved and again according to politico. Could all come to a head by Friday. That's what. GOP leaders expect contentious vote on witnesses. Top automakers including michigan-based in base General Motors are standing behind the trump administration efforts to reduce emission. Rules for vehicles are Mary. Sherman has are they shooting themselves in the foot at at Chrysler. GM and Toyota are siding with the trump administration's efforts to revoke California's right to set its own vehicle emission standards the Union of concerned scientists commissioned a survey to see see where customers stand on the issue. Pollster Matt George One thousand Toyota owners their opinions of the automaker before and after informing them about the company's decisions on emission standards from the beginning of the survey to them after they found out more P- their favorability drunk by third. It went from ninety eight percent. Total to sixty sixty six percent total those are people who responded extremely very or somewhat favorable towards the company itself at the end of the survey the number of consumers would consider switching brands. Dan stumbled trump's proposed safe. Roll calls for automakers to increase the fuel efficiency of vehicles by one point five percent annually instead of five percent under Obama. Dama Admission Standards Meantime are Andrew. Sears reports Pennsylvania has seen growth in its per capita investments in high quality pre K.. But other states are still doing more the keystone state has increased spending on pre K.. By about one hundred forty five million dollars over the past five years but only forty four percent of of eligible children are enrolled the latest report from Pennsylvania Partnerships for children shows eighteen other states with similar qualities standards invest more per capita in early childhood education according to Kerry King President and CEO of the group that includes states such as Alabama and Georgia. That generally are I saw of as being very conservative governor and the legislature historically is led by Republicans but those states are ranked very high and much higher here and Pennsylvania. She says increasing funding for high quality pre K.. By two hundred forty three million dollars over the next three fiscal years would put Pennsylvania on a par with states that delivers similar programs. This is pianist grandmothers in Olympia today. Or she lawmakers to consider a slate of measures measures to reduce gun violence. Here's our Eric Ticket off the group grandmothers against Gun. Violence formed after the two thousand twelve. Sandy Hook shooting is calling for the passage of bills. Bill that would ban the sale of high capacity ammunition magazines and assault style. Weapons centralized background checks and more CO chair of the group Margaret. Hell drink says she respects affects the tradition of gun ownership in families such as for hunting noting grandmothers against Gun. Violence is not opposed to safe gun ownership a whole aim of Our work and the work of the gun. Violence Prevention movement is to keep guns out of the hands for people who should not have them and the incidents and Seattle really highlight that last week. Three shootings happened in Seattle within a couple block radius in a shooting on Wednesday where one person was killed. Seattle police say one of the suspects has been arrested more than fifty times. Those grandmothers are also supporting bills. That would help keep people who own guns from requiring ammunition and would allow allows Washington state patrol to dispose of crime guns. He trump administration announced last week. It will move millions of miles of streams that move will significantly typically setback cleanup efforts of the Chesapeake Bay according to Jonathan Genzer of the Southern Environmental Law Center elimination of Federal Protections for those wetlands on this In Virginia and another Chesapeake Bay states. really puts at risk the progress that we've made in cleaning up the bay and could place an unfair burden Erdan Virginia as well the says it will not force Pennsylvania to abide by a regional anti-pollution program for the bay that was adopted under president. Barack Obama finally are gladys reports Bresca. Lawmakers are scheduled to hear bill next week that's designed to ramp up access to broadband Internet and parts of the state h still stuck at dial up speeds. Jonathan with the Center for Rural Affair Says Broadband is an economic development tool for small businesses in rural communities one of the state's key job creators and it's becoming increasingly important for farmers. 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We'll talk about some of the moves that were made to get these teams there and sometimes you need the luck of the draw. Sometimes you need a lack of draft pick injuries ball bouncing all all that stuff. But you find yourself there and you're deserving in. I always say that any team might be able to get lucky. Get Hot via wildcard and win a game but the proof is in the pudding. It's sort of like the Denver Broncos when they won the AFC west with Tim Tebow and that great defense they went eight and eight. They beat the steelers the defending champs. They lost extra. They were never going to win the Super Bowl. But if you get to the Super Bowl Wall year legitimately deserving of being there. You're you can't get lucky that many times can you can't use smoke and mirrors over Over because somebody will see your secret somebody will see that. It's all fake so we'll talk about those participants and your calls me anything else in the world sports. 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I remember when you know you think about what what matters what doesn't matter I'm GonNa get to that. I'm going to get it to that. Get it girl I will the little teaser. I don't give a damn rick but I just think that there's something to do with it. I know our friend. Mario in Florida always driving crazy. If I talked about how uniforms look he says it doesn't matter I think it does coach. Who wants told me you It was my first football coach. I ever had in nineteen seventy nine. I had played football play. Pop Warner played in the street and tackle football. Aw Arlington Park in El Cerrito. But he said First of all I don't care enough about you to hate you. I'm like what does that mean he goes if you hate someone you're putting time and effort into it. I don't even like you enough to hate. You like okay. That's good he goes. Secondly a you could die. I started my players to just know that you're playing a sport where you could die. Okay and then third. If you you look good you're gonNA play good and I want to say play will but now that's obviously not always true but I think psychologically it does help and I'll put it to you in these terms if you get on a bar. Train in sweats with a Hoodie. He pulled over. And then you get on a bar trained in a suit. Girls will smile at you more when you're in the suit that's just a fact act of the world. Rick that's somehow that's sexist but anyway that's just a fact if you are wearing a baseball hat in sweats and you're wearing a suit. You just you feel better you put out a you just exude something right. It's like the story about the guy who got a loan from his brother of five hundred dollars. He was living on the street. And instead of buying liquor and a flop house and drugs he bought a suit and he felt like a million dollars and he went out and got a job. I don't know if that's a true story or not but that is true so I'll get into the whole uniform thing here because I cannot say why not now teaser but I do want to bring out something about the P. C. World and you can make fun of that. I don't know if you watch curb your enthusiasm. I absolutely love that show and Larry. David is recording on his phone. He's on a date. He goes okay. I'm going to take my right arm and I'm going to put it over your shoulder so my right hand will be on your right shoulder. Is that okay with you. She said yes very good. Now I'm GonNa take my left hand. He's recording the whole thing. And of course it just you know so. That's a serious so first of all I believe in in there are no rules in comedy. You can could get to decide whether you think it's good or bad and then you laugh. You don't laugh you watch are you. Don't watch but I don't think you should ever tell someone you shouldn't say this. You shouldn't say that people. Hey we're GONNA say whatever they want you just don't have to get your cash but I bring that up because a week ago Grand Valley Valley State now. I don't usually bring up Grand Valley state a lot but they hired a new offensive coordinator named Morris Burger. And I can tell you when I go in and out. I don't get the Rothlisberger. I get the Morris Burger but he has been been suspended after remarks he made to the Grand Valley State Student newspaper. Yes the land. Thorn is the name of the paper and I laugh because I have no idea what that means. I I have to look it up although I did look up in our one hour pre show meaning the Land Thorne is an old British word which means land turn turn. I didn't do you know that dominy. I didn't know that the land thorn so Grand Valley State is making headlines minds for all the wrong reasons. What did he do what did he do? What did he say in the newspaper while Berger was just being interviewed by the paper? Hey our new C.. which three historical figures would you most like to have dinner with? And he said quote this is probably not going to get a really good review. But I'm gonNA say Adolf Hitler. It was obviously very sad and he had bad motives but the way he was able to lead was second into none. How he rallied a group and a following? I want to know how he did that. Bad Intentions of course. But you can't deny he was a great leader. Now if he just said Adolf Hitler and they went why and he he said because he's the most evil person on earth and I want to look into his eyes and I wanna see that evil and I want to break it down and I want to be able to notice the evil and other men or I want to give him a talking to I. WanNa tell him why. He's the worst person that ever lived. And you make probably not good. You brought up Hitler but we'll let it slide now this whole thing about first of all could he rally a group yeah but he was actually a horrible leader. He had all his his People who he delegated power to all his generals who are in fear they would be shot if they made their own decision. They would be shot if they made decisions without asking him His generals who are very experienced would say we don't want to go on to Stalingrad and he said yes we do. You don't need to go into Moscow right now and he said yes we do you. A polian couldn't do it I will. He was a horrible leader horrible leader but did he become chancellor and did he become you know The despot and the dictator. Yeah but to say you admire his leadership skills. Would this would be like saying why. WanNa have dinner with trump. Why because I want to see how he does his lid? That hair is awesome. You want to talk to him because of his hair. You don't want to bow down or you don't WanNa give them a tongue lashing now I wanNA talk about his hair all right well the School Grand Valley State University officially said the comments made by offensive coordinator. Morris Burger as reported in the Land Thorn Student newspaper do not reflect the values of Grand Valley State. University Burger has been suspended and the university is conducting thorough investigation unquote. Now I always wonder what thorough investigation meats. Do you want to see if Hitler actually was a good leader. Is that what you're investigation is. Did you mean Adolf Hitler. The guy that was with Germany or do you mean it off. Hiller the guy that ran on various successful Popeye's chicken in Naples Florida. Which one do you mean when an investigation? The only thing you can investigate is the seat. The guy's a Neo Nazi or not. Are you a racist neo. Nazi Anti Semite. No I'm just dumb. Okay and of investigation by the way Grand Valley State is right next to grand rapids Michigan. It's in Allendale and I've I've heard the name before because it is a perennial power in division two football which I played division two football now Burger. This was a big higher for them because he was the tight ends coach at Texas state. He went to drury university and he graduated. Just eight years ago. He had been on the staff at Mizzou and okay state as well and he holds a master's degree in educational psychology from Missouri or apparently at in Columbia Missouri Zuri the capital of the state at the University of Missouri. They teach you in educational Philosophy and psychology. Just how great leader Adolf Hitler. Uh now look people say dumb things. Okay this was a highly dumb thing to say is what have been dumbed assay in Nineteen forty forty five in twenty twenty. You gotta say it was sad. It was sad but he had good mode. votives saying those kamikaze pilots. They were very effective. They were there more effective than shooting bullets and dropping bombs on planes. Yeah their motives might have been bad. But they're they're good. I like them come on back how. Hey Don thanks. 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Eight hundred seven five four four five three one eight hundred seven five four four five three one. That's eight hundred seven five four forty five thirty one. Where did you get those close at the toilet store author Don? I'm so disgusted by tittle that I find him very intoxicating. Thank you for that and Welcome back to the show Just looking at CBS sports dot com during the break. Thank the land. Thorn thing is the number one story in America thing about the Kobe Bryant Tragedy Super Bowl Sunday superbowl week. We have. And that's because it gets clicks. I clicked on it. I mentioned it and now it's like we all I just remember when you are someone who gangs up on somebody to get them fired. You know so It's it's a mob mentality. Mom Mentality is when you get a thousand people are like Lynch him hanging hanging the Horse. The've and then individually. Do you want to hang this guy who me no no. I don't have a problem with them. But everybody gets brave in the mob mentality. And then the red mist descends. And you hear the jungle drums. And you're like screw hanging it's It's hard it really is to have that type of That mentality. It's like the thing with Shane. Gillis Shane Gillis got cancelled from Saturday night live before his career began and remember shing. Chen Gillis was barely now just a headliner. He had been mostly a feature the guy before the headliner but they found an old podcast of his. The thing was he I think about motives right. His motive and making the racist jokes. Were to make people laugh now. You say well. That's not a laughing matter but he was trying to make people laugh when people try to end his career. Their their motive is to hurt him so I just think that's something to keep in mind. I'm not saying that Shane Gillis's innocent and he's the most wonderful person in the world. I'm just it's a real thing to motivate when you say something racist and offensive. Your motivation is not to hurt even though you do hurt some some people. There's no doubt people get offended and they get personally hurt but the motivation. It's not an excuse. I'm just saying to take a step back for a second. He's trying to make people laugh the people that are trying that got him cancelled from. SNL trying to hurt him. They're trying to end his career. They're trying to make sure he doesn't get money. They're trying to make sure that he's not successful so I don't think either side is covering themselves with glory in that type of situation now Getting to the matters of jurisprudence Antonio Brown is out of House house arrest and yes. I'm require I used to be required to talk about Pete Rose or Michael Sam everyday now. It's a B. So if he wants to watch super bowl fifty four. Four and tweet intelligible things. He can do it from someone else's house if he wants to without fear of legal parameters ramifications because he not only has been removed from house arrest. He's been unshackled from. GPS monitor from his ankle. That happened today. A Florida judge ruled that he can travel throughout the United States. Only for business obligations though now if you saw the video which was beyond disturbing of him. I'm in his house and a gated rich community and he's saying just the most horrible things about the mother of his children while his little teeny kids are standing in there and then the police just excoriating the police with every where would you can say. Because he's on his property and and He knows his laws. Well see for me. I would think that if I called a cop a mother blanking something sucking sob. That the COP run onto my lawn and beat me up and then handcuff me. Verbal abuse of apiece officers section two on nine paragraph three. I remember one time. I got Sassy with a cop when he pulled me over and he goes. Do you want me to take you to jail. And I was like now and ever since then I feel like Oh if I say something something wrong. I'm going to get taken to jail. So but Antonio Around News writes what quote a Guy Great Guy But he turned himself into authorities last week and that was because Hollywood police. Hollywood Florida issued a warrant for his arrest West so his lawyer said look. Don't don't wait for the cars to come to your house and handcuff you and maybe TMZ to be there. At least someone across the street will sell the video to TMZ but he is awaiting trial now for burglary with battery. That's following the incident which was in front of his home and that was during a moving truck Violation there was a driver a guy showed up and his trader. The Glenn hold who I guess is the guy who was all over hard knocks. Apparently the guy showed up and he said okay. I need four grand for this clothing. Antonio Brown thought he had already paid for and this is from what I got. It wasn't there but I read it Antonio Brown I was like no no no no no no now we paid for this already and the guys like. I'm told that if you don't have the four grand. I'm just supposed to leave and Antonio Brown's like what I got four granting cash and he's like that's that was my understanding he's like no. I already paid for it. So just hit the road and Uber back so the guy was getting into his truck. Apparently they threw rocks of the truck. Can they finally got in. The trainer is well. They hit him. They drove the car back on the property. So Brown one hundred ten thousand dollars in bail L. remains in place. Remember with bail. You'RE GONNA have to pay a fee but you're gonNA get your money back unless you have flight. You know if you have a million dollar bond wand and you get the bondsman to PUT THAT UP YOU'RE GONNA pay a percentage of it. You're not going to pay the whole thing. It's only if you bolt. Then the court will tell all the Bondsman Bill Bonds Company. Okay you US million dollars pay now. And then that's when they hire bounty hunters who hires westbound bounty hunters bill bondsman higher bail Bounty hunters in or if they do it themselves because they want their money you when you hear one hundred ten thousand seven dollars in bail. It's not like he wrote a check. One hundred and ten thousand. The bondsman did. Maybe he didn't himself. We'll see but if you show up you're not going to have to pay it so rookie. Don't understand the laws jurisprudence there's a circuit judge named Michael Bussan who has granted Brown to get out of his house now and it's to fulfill contractual obligations. What is a contractual obligation upon which Antonio Brown must must serve? Is there a card show that he has to go to. I don't know who has not even drew. Rosenhaus has dropped but drew Rosenhaus is such a money grubber which has made him very successful. He said I'm dropping Antonio Brown unless he gets help because the last thing he wants to see him do is get on some twelve step program. Straighten Arrow raise Pigeons like Mike Tyson and come back and be Randy Moss for five more years. There's a Nazi a dime. I'm your dropped. And unless you get help. So three charges burglary with assault assault or battery burglary of an unoccupied conveyance. How's that for a lawyer? Talk meaning a delivery van truck and then criminal mischief so criminal mischief. Sounds like such an umbrella doesn't it you. Yeah I remember Lighten off firecrackers in the fourth grade. And a cop pulled up with my brother and we were trying to light a firecracker and he was my brothers in third grade. And we're what are you doing am I. I just was panicked. I was a fourth grader. COP comes out of his car. Give me your name so I gave him my full name and I'm named after my grandfather In My middle name and so my grandfather did you give them your middle name and I said no and he goes. Oh it would've let your free if you would have said that. I always remembered that that was kind of funny but listen. This goes beyond browns still being under investigation by the NFL. Where's that on their priority priority? List right now. There is a September September Filing Court of rape also sexual assault allegations by former trainers plural the threatening tax the artist who was painting in his house and apparently he put his told his junk out. and this all started off as a new way in my Yuna phone beautiful ever that at training camp. And I'm like Oh here we go man. Look I was happy to get him for three and a five as a raider fan and I thought he'll be a Turkey neck back. There is no doubt he'll be knucklehead. He'll be goof-ball he will moan and Groan and cry on the sidelines and they'll talk about himself and he'll be mad. Ah The dare card and throw the ball to him. But he's also GONNA lead the League in touchdowns again like he did in two thousand eighteen so we'll put up with it but it never happened one game with the Patriots right now. That's it so it's one thing to be under investigation by the NFL. It's another thing to to be arrested and then to have a felony charges made against you. That's what about these people who serve consecutive life life sentences reincarnated they take the baby from the hospital straight to a federal penitentiary. I mean do they do that. There's a bit there somewhere somewhere. Yeah I spent the first five years of my life at San Quinn but I went to kindergarten. A Freeman got reincarnated as Charles Manson. All right. We'll take a quick break. We'll talk on the other side. Yeah do you owe ten thousand dollars or more on at least two federal student loans. 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