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"paul holes" Discussed on Fresh Air
"Had been there. You'd seen the case files, what were you doing? Part of it is just understanding the geographic spread was huge. The moniker Golden State killer is so apt because he really was moving around hundreds of miles between cases. So that was informative, but also looking at the neighborhoods, where he's attacking. It helped inform me about his tactics on how he's approaching a particular house, how he's leaving that house, how he's prowling through a neighborhood. Why is he choosing that type of neighborhood? One of the most informative aspects that I saw, as I was visiting these neighborhoods, was he wasn't attacking in lower income areas at all. He was often attacking in upper middle to even what I would consider close to upper class neighborhoods. And a lot of the early investigation really focused in on sort of the what I call the troll under the bridge offender, you know, this homeless sexual deviant that's driving a beat or car and as I'm looking at these neighborhoods going, if somebody like that showed up in this type of neighborhood, he would stand out and so that's when I started to get insight as to whom I offender could be going he blends in with the people who live in these types of neighborhoods. Can you think of a moment when you were at a location and you saw something that planted a seed in your mind that turned into something fruitful? Oh, there's multiple moments. I think one of the aspects that stands out is down with the double homicide of Keith and Patrice Harrington that occurred in lagoon and Miguel down there what is now known as Dana point in the southern part of Orange County right on the coast. It's almost an oceanfront type of community. But this was an upper scale neighborhood at the time. It still is today. It is gated that has security guards that work the gate, has roving security. And as I'm driving around, this neighborhood, the question is this, well, why here? He's elevating his risk to attack here when he could have gone right across the street and attacked in a community that didn't have security. So now that starts to make me question, well, maybe he's attacking in this neighborhood because he's already chosen these victims. Well, when did he choose these victims? That becomes the kind of the driving question of that investigation. Did he choose these victims because he ran into them somewhere else? Who are these victims? Victimology is huge. So it's now diving into who they are and where he potentially could have interacted with them and seeing where they lived. So that is where now I'm starting to think, okay, now he's choosing victims from outside of them. He's not just prowling neighborhoods and attacking when he sees an opportunity. He's possibly choosing victims elsewhere had an interaction where he made a decision. They're going to become victims and then assess where they live to make sure that he can actually accomplish a crime and get away with it. You know, it's interesting that you spent so much time going to every crime scene, visualizing what the offender saw trying to understand his motivations and methods. And in the end, it was just this the Internet and DNA that really gave law enforcement the tools to identify him. Is he at all like what you had pictured? Yes and no. As I investigated the case, I really came to the conclusion that our offender is Sacramento based, probably still living in the Sacramento area which Deangelo was.
Fresh Air
"paul holes" Discussed on Fresh Air
"His new book is unmasked. My life solving America's cold cases. Paul holtz, welcome to fresh air. Thank you for having me. You know, I think we should begin by just telling our listeners that we are going to be talking about some horrific crimes on the show today. And while we won't be giving graphic descriptions of crimes or crime, scenes, we will be talking about cases that involve murders and sexual assaults, so it may not be appropriate for all listeners. Paula want to start with a scene that's kind of at the end of the story of this quest for the Golden State killer. And this is at a point when you and other investigators have identified the guy you think is going to be him, a 72 year old guy named Joe Deangelo. You're nearing retirement from government service. And you do an unusual thing you take a visit to his house when he has so far had had no contact with investigators. Tell us why you went, what happened? Well, after 24 years of pursuing this Golden State killer, utilizing new technology, this genetic genealogy technology about a week prior I had been made aware that this Joseph Deangelo was possibly related to the Golden State killer, and after investigating him for a week, and realizing I was going to be retiring the following week, I decided he was a prime suspect, and every time I had a prime suspect in this case, I have to go see you. Where are they living? What are they driving? What is the neighborhood they're living in like? And so on a Monday, I drove up to Citrus Heights, California, which is in the Sacramento area, and parked in front of his house. His car was in the driveway. I knew he was home. But I have been here with prime suspects before, was he really the guy. And so I started debating. Well, I'm retiring tomorrow, actually just hurting my badge and gun in the next day. I'm not sure he really is the Golden State killer, so I started to debate. Should I just go knock on this guy's door? He's a former law enforcement officer. Maybe I can establish a bond saying, hey, you're a former cop. You understand how this goes. I'm looking into an old case. Chuckle chuckle, and let's just get this over with, give me a sample of DNA and you'll never be contacted by an investigator on this case again. If you're not the guy, but as I sat there, I realized the various aspects
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"paul holes" Discussed on Fresh Air
"Hamad, whose nationality is British Pakistani, has said in interviews that the premise for the last white man arose out of his own changing circumstances after 9 11, when, as a self described, highly educated Brown man with a Muslim name, he says he lost the privilege of his partial whiteness. The isolation of the pandemic also makes itself felt in this novel, as violence escalates in response to the darkening of the white populace, characters like Anders and his girlfriend una, a yoga instructor, stay shuddered in their homes, experiencing apocalyptic changes online and on TV. Hamad writes with on the ground immediacy that draws readers in Anders who works as a personal trainer is for a time one of only two so called here dark men at the gym. The other guy is the janitor, as weeks go by, Anders hyper consciousness about his new color, alters his personality. Here's part of a long sentence where Hamad takes us through Anders zigzagging perceptions of himself and others. At work, Anders had become quieter than he used to be, less sure of how any action of his would be perceived. And it was like he had been recast as a supporting character on the set of the television show where his life was being enacted, but even so he had not yet lost all hope that a return to his old role was possible to his old centrality, or if not sensuality, then at least to a role better than this peripheral one, and so he was almost excited to hear that a long-standing client of the gym had changed. Excited until the man came at the time he was expected, a dark man recognizable only by his jacket, and he stood there this man, looking around, looking at those looking at him, and he left without a word, as though he might never know, would never return. Most of Hamid's novel consists of extended sentences like that one, whose restlessness mimics the flux of his fictional world. There's a downside, however, to being limited to mostly Anders self absorbed view. He's not that thoughtful a guy, so he doesn't offer any deeper thoughts about racism. We also don't hear anything about how black people feel about their numbers being swelled by all these dazed and confused involuntary converts.
Fresh Air
"paul holes" Discussed on Fresh Air
"He looks good. And that ultimately the DNA shows he's not the guy, and that's an emotional crash. And so she's experiencing that, plus she has the pressure of writing the book. But ultimately, my last. with Michelle was, you know, she was driving up. She had a young daughter who was in the girl scouts, and she was taking her daughter to some sort of camp, I think just north of Santa Barbara. And Michelle emails me just saying, hey, you know, passing through Santa Barbara where Golden State killer had attacked three times had killed four people, and she's passing the exits that he likely would have had to take in order to get out to commit these crimes. And she says, this is just such a surreal place to be with my daughter for girl scouts as I'm passing through for these horrific crimes occurred. And then she just ended that email, you know, talk soon. 6 years ago, it still hurts. It does. And then I find out she, you know, she passed away. A few days later. And she had, you know, one of the things that she had what she was continuously doing as she was scanning all these documents. You know, she was putting them up in a file transfer service. And so she had let me know, I received an email from that file transfer service that there was something from Michelle waiting for me and that I received that email after I find out she had died and I went and downloaded that file and in some ways she was still helping me. So when she died, you know, I'll just wrap up this chapter by noting that when she died that her manuscript was substantially written in her investigative partners worked with her publishers to get the book out. It's called I'll be gone in the dark. It was a huge bestseller. And it's also the title of a 7 part documentary series that you can still see on HBO, which our guest Paul holes appears in and it's also a pretty gripping. We're speaking with Paul Halsey's retired cold case investigator who still assists families and law enforcement as a private citizen. His new memoir is unmasked my life solving America's cold cases will be back after this break.
Fresh Air
"paul holes" Discussed on Fresh Air
"Our guest is Paul holes who spent more than two decades as a criminal investigator for the contra Costa county, California sheriff's office and the district attorney's office. He played a critical role in the identification and arrest of the so called Golden State killer, responsible for at least 13 murders and 50 rapes in the 1970s and 80s. Holt's new book is called unmasked. My life solving America's cold cases. You write how you spent a lot of time on this in some cases had some suspects you were pretty confident about then ultimately they were ruled out by DNA testing. And at some point you were contacted by Michelle McNamara, who was a crime writer who had a widely read blog called the true crime diary. A lot of people may recognize her name. She was married to Patton Oswalt, the actor and comedian, and she was quite a force. You want to tell us about your relationship with her? Yeah, you know, Michelle came into my life because of this case. She initially, I treated her as just another writer that wanted to write an article, which at the time that's what she was doing. She was writing an article for Los Angeles magazine. And I was very stand office with her, but as her and I talked, we clicked and eventually, as we continued to communicate leading up to the release of this article, that's when I divulged aspects of my investigation that were sensitive. And when her article came out, I was so nervous that she would burn me. But I saw that she didn't in the article. And at that point, I recognized I could trust her. Eventually, she came up to contra Costa county and we spent a day where I'm driving her around to various crime scenes in my county, as well as far up as Davis, California. And we're talking the entire time she's recording the conversation. The conversation is about the cases, but it's also personal.
Fresh Air
"paul holes" Discussed on Fresh Air
"It's now the fundamental message that I want to get out there. So let's return to the case of the Golden State killer. I mean, by 2001, you had managed to determine through DNA matching that the same person who had raped 50 women in Northern California was responsible for many murders in Southern California. This was at a time when you were kind of moving up and management in the county investigative offices. They're in contra Costa county. You somehow found time to work on this. One of the things you did, you're right, is that you went to the scenes of both the killings and the rapes. What was the point there? I mean, investigators had been there. You'd seen the case files, what were you doing? Part of it is just understanding the geographic spread was huge. The moniker Golden State killer is so apt because he really was moving around hundreds of miles between cases. So that was informative, but also looking at the neighborhoods, where he's attacking. It helped inform me about his tactics on how he's approaching a particular house, how he's leaving that house, how he's prowling through a neighborhood. Why is he choosing that type of neighborhood?
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"paul holes" Discussed on Fresh Air
"Of fictional crime scene investigators over the years, applying science, experience in moxie, to track down bad guys from clues they leave behind. Our guest today, Paul holtz, is the real thing. He spent a career investigating crimes in California, specializing in cold cases. He played a critical role in identifying one of the most notorious serial predators in American history. The so called Golden State killer, who is admitted to committing 13 murders and 50 rapes in the 1970s and 80s. In a new book holds rights about that case and others and about the day to today work of examining gruesome crime scenes analyzing evidence and speaking to survivors of horrific crimes and relatives of those who didn't survive. He also writes about the emotional toll the work takes. He's experienced nightmares, panic attacks, and marital issues and says he's used plenty of bourbon to self Medicaid. Since retiring from government work in 2018, he's continued to assist investigators and families as a private citizen. And he's become a celebrated figure in the true crime world. He has appeared in the TV series America most wanted and the DNA of murder with Paul holes, and he co hosted a podcast called the murder squad. This fall he'll be co hosting a new podcast with Kate Winkler Dawson about historic crimes its titled buried bones. His new book is unmasked. My life solving America's cold cases. Paul holtz, welcome to fresh air. Thank you for having me. You know, I think we should begin by just telling our listeners that we are going to be talking about some horrific crimes on the show today, and while we won't be giving graphic descriptions of crimes or crime scenes, we will be talking about cases that involve murders and sexual assaults, so it may not be appropriate for all listeners. Paula want to start with a scene that's kind of at the end of the story of this quest for the Golden State killer. And this is at a point when you and other investigators have identified the guy you think is going to be him, a 72 year old guy named Joe Deangelo. You're nearing retirement from government service. And you do an unusual thing you take a visit to his house when he has so far had had no contact with investigators. Tell us why you went, what happened? Well, after 24 years of pursuing this Golden State killer, utilizing new technology, this genetic genealogy technology about a week prior I had been made aware that this Joseph Deangelo was possibly related to the Golden State killer, and after investigating him for a week, and realizing I was going to be retiring the following week, I decided he was a prime suspect, and every time I had a prime suspect in this case, I have to go see where are they living? What are they driving? What is the neighborhood they're living in like? And so on a Monday, I drove up to Citrus Heights, California, which is in the Sacramento area, and parked in front of his house. His car was in the driveway, I knew he was home. But I've been here with prime suspects before, was he really the guy.
Unraveled: A Long Island Serial Killer
"paul holes" Discussed on Unraveled: A Long Island Serial Killer
"So this entire idea of one and done killers seemed as though this type of killer is much more prevalent than we originally thought. And I really don't think anyone has shined a light on this type of killer in any significant way in the past. I think the bottom line is is that these one and done killers were there all along, but the profilers missed it. Right. And I think it's hard to admit when you miss something, we've spoken to a number of profilers. And across the board, when asked, do you think a profile can be done on this type of one and done killer, they said no. I thought what they should have said is I just need more data. And I think that was Paul's point, you know, Paul holes said a profile could be done. We just need the data. And that's what he was saying. He was saying, now we have the data. Someone just has to go in and crunch it. I think profilers have been relying on their intuition more than data for too long. And now genetic genealogy has come along and said, you know what, there are a lot of holes in what you were thinking. Especially because the first time that genetic genealogy was used to catch a serial killer or any killer was 2018, it's only been three years. So this isn't necessarily an attack on profiling, but they do need to adapt in the light of these developments about these one and done killers. Profiles can now look to see what the patterns are. If they get 100 or 200, one and done killers, they might be able to see something from that data that they can use for the next case that they are trying to solve. Right. They shouldn't say a profile can't be done,.
Unraveled: A Long Island Serial Killer
"paul holes" Discussed on Unraveled: A Long Island Serial Killer
"I'm Alexis linklater. And I'm Billy Jensen. When detective Jim sharf snapped the cops on William Talbot, he knew that genetic genealogy could be a revolution in law enforcement. But he didn't anticipate what it would fully reveal. Just one month earlier, Golden State killer Joseph Deangelo had been identified using genetic genealogy. One month after talbott, it would be Raymond roe. Two of those three offenders had no serious criminal history. I started noticing that a lot of these other people that were being arrested by the use of genetic genealogy are people that only did it once or there's only DNA left at one crime scene. I'm thinking what kind of a person are we dealing with here? Our investigation of the row and Talbot cases in the previous episodes exposed an undeniable implication. Profiles can only be so useful in hunting down someone who has never killed before and then never kills again. In this final episode, we're asking the question, what is the future of profiling in light of genetic genealogy? And how can it possibly plan for this type of killer? Paul holes, who spearheaded the investigation of the Golden State killer, recognized the problem facing profilers when he heard the details of Raymond roe killing Christy marac. If I were to take a look at the crime scene, this looks like a predator, likely committed, you know, priors and possibly committed more afterwards, the characteristics are there. Therefore, this is likely a serial offender. Did profiling just not account for this species of killer. The previous models are a little bit problematic from a behavioral analysis standpoint. Now, you have the one offs who commit a similar enough crime that can fool those of us that have worked serial cases. There hasn't been a really good comprehensive study to figure out, well, what is going on with these offenders? These are professional investigators with decades of experience under their belts. And they're realizing how easily they can be fooled. Why? Because they've been taught to rely on the model that profiles have been selling for decades. When the FBI started its behavioral analysis unit in the 1970s, the focus was on serial killers. These were the headline grabbers, the real-life monsters that captured America's fear and fascination. People like Ted Bundy, Charles Manson and Dennis Rader, the BTK killer, are perfect examples. Law enforcement would call them lust murderers or something to that effect. They started to study these lust murderers, the serial offenders. There was this idea that serial killings had this sort of addictive quality. What are your thoughts on that? It became apparent that many of them had a very act of fantasy life about the violence. Prior to them ever committing the crimes. And that they would continue to fantasize, even after they had committed the crimes. So profilers in the early days felt that this fantasy was so core to the person. That that would be such an addiction to them, that they would continue to do that until they could no longer do that. You hear the phrase that serial killers never stop, and so if a series stopped, it's assumed that while they went into custody. They became disabled. They've died. The addiction theory, by definition, would not pertain to a one and done killer. But that type of offender was not being studied, or even really acknowledged. If the person wasn't caught quickly, they just weren't caught. And those crimes were then assumed to be part of a serial killer spree, yet to be identified. But even with all the attention being given to serial killers, how accurate were the conclusions..
Scene Of the Crime
"paul holes" Discussed on Scene Of the Crime
"Doing it. How do you keep going and being the one to make those calls or knock on those doors. That just sounds like torture. I and it was something that paul totally understood for one of our first interviews. I interviewed sheriff reichert. Who's the one that was one of many who found the green river killer and mike talking to him for two hours. You know the obsession and the decades and he actually had to go and like him describing going and telling all the scores and scores of familial visits to tell them that their their daughter was a victim. Like i could feel it that kind of obsessive. I mean it worked out for you in the end. But what's that like explaining that your family i mean. What kind of toll does that take your smiling. Because i feel like you're like yeah. Lived it again a couple of things. Yeah i just interviewed sheriff reichert for a project that i can't talk about you know and identified immediately with him and he and i are basically almost one in the same in in terms of how we think. That was coming through to me. As i've been talking to you i'm like you're rarely reminding me that. Passion and just the you know the emotions that he displayed you know talking about his case of green river killer and like you said he is. He is rolling up his sleeves and recovering bodies. He's going. He's talking to next of canned mothers of these girls. Saying your daughter is not coming home and i recognized immediately. The trauma of what he still has to this day. There's a kinship there. You know unless you've experienced it you don't. I don't think you know what it feels like and it is. It's it's it's the obsession of the case but at a certain point it's not the case. It's the victims that becomes the central focus and just like with him. He developed relationships with these families. And now these families want an answer there. And there's an expectation. And i had the same thing. I had victims that had expectations. I reached out. I developed a relationship. And then when you're having to call the victim you know like for me I'm calling saying. I've eliminated another guy. It oh and he could hear the deflation because you know some of these men and women were living in fear that the golden state killer would come back and hurt them again. You know so. That is something that i think. Those of us that have worked these types of cases an annual green river killer is a huge case golden state killers a huge case..
Scene Of the Crime
"paul holes" Discussed on Scene Of the Crime
"The serta sample they got from the angelo's car door handle shared at least twenty one markers with golden state killer and he goes. I don't know exactly what that means. He wasn't a dna guy because he goes to the lab. People are are excited and me being a former. Dna analyst was going kirk. It's him twenty-one markers yeah. The fbi's quotas database up to that point. It only built on fifteen marker so this exceeded what had been done up to a few years prior so wants that set in and i went back and sat down at the dinner table. I remember being somewhat numb. And it wasn't like god autumn and hooting and hollering was just like okay. Obviously this is a this is a good spot to be in. But there's also there's a ton of work that has to be done at this point and you're retired i mean. Did you want to run back to california. No i'm calling up your talking to kirk. Then i'm talking to ken clarke. Sheriff's office steve kramer from the fbi. And it's like do. I need to be flying back now and cutting my time out here in colorado short. And they're saying no. We need to get another sample. So i fly back over the weekend during my scheduled flight and then first thing monday morning. I'm up at sack. Homicide basically locked in an office with ken clarke from sack sheriff. And we write the arrest warrant and we're still waiting for the second sample but we knew we had the guy we thought it was just a matter of time of getting the second sample so even though i was retired i was still part of the team. You know it. So that was fries. Did you ever ever feel like you were going to get cut out of it. I mean i would feel really like as a reporter. Somebody was taking my story and i had retired. I mean it's not a bad thing that you would feel territorial over it considering you're twenty four years in there was a fear of that occurring right when i retire but that's one of the things i'm so grateful for the other guys about is. They didn't do that to me. And that's pretty cool. Is that good if happen. It absolutely could have. They would've had all the right in the world to do that to me but they didn't you know and and so that's we had developed a very close bond this task force that we had at that point. It was eight years nine years old and so there is a core of us that we're very tight that had stayed together stayed in constant communication. And one thing. I want to address because a lot of people think you've brought up michelle and i love michelle but this task force and these core group of individuals we were passionately work in this case before michelle was involved and we continue to work the case after she passed away..
Scene Of the Crime
"paul holes" Discussed on Scene Of the Crime
"That and they see that you really care and you really wanna help and you really want to solve these cases so kudos to caroline for not only being brave enough to reach out to somebody like paul holes but actually having him not only call you back but wanting to get involved. Yeah i mean i really. I really appreciate that. Can because i do wear my heart on my sleeve. I mean there's no. There's no hiding denying that. But i do care and i can't get kenny out of my head. And for me. It justifies the uncomfortable ness of of being. It's funny because that initial phone call. Well i mean yeah. I reached out to him and i was like. Hey and then you didn't respond back and then i reached out again and then i reached out again. And that's what it takes to get somebody to get back to you and it doesn't always work but i feel like if i try then i can walk away anyway. Good news is paul holes definitely on board with helping them solve this case. I can connect with resources that could maximize that. Dna so You can look us up. And i will get him in touch with the people that will likely be able to solve that case. That would be a credible. This would be our first case that we have had a small part and helping to solve and that would be just the pinnacle of everything that we've done so far. Yeah and i mean he's not the type of person who's just going to say that willy nilly he's been in law enforcement for nearly three decades and he knows we're going to hold to it so that is going to be a huge thing for this case. But you know kim. Since i i had to paul on the line of course i was going to pick his brain on a variety of topics including his work on the golden state. Killer case just a little bit of background if you don't know. He started out as a forensics expert as a young man in the crime lab in the early nineties as a toxicologist but his goal was always to work side in order to do that though he had to go to the police academy last agency that required their criminalists to be sworn officers. So because i wanted to do the krim listrik side the crime scene investigation and the dna etc. I had to go to the police academy and i get through the police academy. I am assigned to see us i work. I'm assigned to the serology unit and my personal side. I just read a book sexual homicide. That was by dr and burgess john. Douglas bob wrestler from the f. b. is profiling unit and. This is the book that the netflix show mind. Hunter is based on. And i became fast.
Scene Of the Crime
"paul holes" Discussed on Scene Of the Crime
"Attorney general's office. He wants told us that forensic science has come further in the last year to then during his entire previous forty years with law enforcement but is still a relatively new technology. So that means it's still really expensive. They're still limited capacity so not every case that has dna has the opportunity to get in there and use these techniques. At least not yet. Yeah so this is where paul holes comes into play now. Many listeners will probably be familiar with paul holes. This all holes. I'm retired coal case investigator out of the contra costa county. Da -'s office. I found out about him watching the hbo documentary all begun in the dark. Paul was a part of the team that helped saul then catch that historic golden state killer. They were able to get a narrow him down after he terrorized a community for thirty years. Through dna and then an exhaustive genetic genealogy tree that that led them to find the golden state killer so that documentary was based on the incredible work of michelle mcnamara. Who wrote the book. I'll be gone in the dark. One woman's obsessive search for the golden state killer and she basically became. You know we. We started off talking about this kind of obsession that we feel over certain cases that you have and i have and she really became obsessed on the golden state killer and she ended up hooking up with paul even though she is not an investigator you know she's a writer True crime writer. She developed his trust with him. So where polls comes in in terms of the adrian. Nikki case is that he is the co host of the murder squad. Podcast when i was listening to one of their episodes on the taco bell strangler henry louis wallace he mentioned that this taco bell strangler killer could have killed in bremerton and it was a serial killer known to kill an east coast right. Yes yes and so kind of surprising to hear yeah possible connection with bremerton rate. I had never heard the case. And i'd never heard of the connections so i reached out to reimagine pd. And that's how. I learned about the nicky and adrian case and that i mean talk about twists and turns that killer henry louis. Wallace had so many things. In common with the nate nicky and adrian case in that he would kill women who worked at fast food restaurants. At the time. Nikki was working at an arby's kill some kids because some of those were young mothers and you would kill the children who could identify him and he would leave the little babies. And that's what happened. In nikki and adrian case well adrian was killed but her little baby brother was alive even though he was there in the apartment yeah he was six months old so there was so many connections and on top of that as it turns out the taco bell strangler was in bremerton because he was in the navy but it ended up being like four months after so the wasn't connected even though he was in the city. It was the wrong time. Yes so i thought to myself. You know paul holes a he helps yet the golden state killer. He's probably got tons of connections with dna. We have some genetic genealogy here. That could help. And i just have to toot caroline's horn for a second here. Caroline has a way of reaching out to people and getting people to talk with her like kenney. Who haven't talked to anybody before i mean i don't know what it is about you like there's something about you that is like magic where people understand and i think it's because you do a little bit where your heart on your sleeve and people see.
Scene Of the Crime
"paul holes" Discussed on Scene Of the Crime
"I know you feel not say. Have you lost a loved one. Have you bury a level in. Have you ever had to bear your child. I say you ain't never have to do that. You have no idea. I wouldn't wish it on anybody. It's a pain is is something that you would never ever get over so i tell parents to this day when you go home you grab your child. You hug them. You love them because you never know what tomorrow will bring. I still remember. When i first heard that that soundbite when we did the initial episode i did. I went home and hugged my kids. Because he's absolutely right. Oh yeah. I mean i did. I did the same thing. And i think that when you i mean you're tearing up because no it's not it's it's just you know that's why you have the armchair detectives you have You know podcasters. You have people wanna kind of disarmed true crime. But it's like because you hear these stories and then when we're so close to it because you know interviewing him you just can't get it out of your head and and i think that that's where i'm at with this case. Another thing is is that this is absolutely solvable. There is dna. And here's marty to explain the dna every detective that has worked on this case that i've talked to and i've talked to. All of them have agreed that the case is solvable. It's just a matter of finding that kind of needle in a haystack. And that's why we go through cold cases and we re examine things and we apply new technology and we take a look at it from a different perspective and try to whiten our field of vision. This case has dna. It's got lots of people who on new orleans lots of people who were in the area at the time that the murders were committed. We've had a really good time line. We know who is in her life. The time we've got great clues as far as who was kind of in her social circles and those people have been contacted and amazingly. You know here it is. What three almost thirty. Five years later and a lot of those people are still alive. And i've been able to interview them. You know we've traveled to indiana mississippi and florida and Chicago to do interviews in to collect dna and to follow up on this case. So it is something that we consider to be solvable. It's just a matter of that needle in haystack. I think another really huge going for them. Is kenny himself You know a lot of people. If they were the number one suspect and taken given polygraph tests i mean he was taken through the wringer as a suspect in this case he could have just walked away and said forget you guys. You're not really looking for the killer if you're looking at me and not been cooperative. But he has been so cooperative that here we are you know decades later. And he's still really pressing investigators and the public in general to do something about this case he wants it solved and and having him as an ally and willing to talk about. It is a huge huge benefit for investigators. In part of that is the relationship that marty was able to establish with kenny. Like marty's the one that actually connected me with kenny. Who has mentioned before and thirty five years. He hasn't talked to the media. Hasn't talked to a reporter and he was like. Hey you know be gentle with him. He's been through a lot. It really meant a lot that he said that. And so you've got a you know he's really invested in it kenny. You've got a detective who's really hardcore and wants to solve the case. And here's where it gets exciting. We're obviously not investigators on the case but with our podcast. We can help put pieces together and as reporters help put pieces together. Not in a way..
WIBC 93.1FM
"paul holes" Discussed on WIBC 93.1FM
"You won't find anywhere else. Listen, now we're going to the Fox. This podcast dot com. Lucky three w Y PC mobile news on the level on the go. Indiana weather is at it again. I'm Donny Burgess. Here's what's trending this hour. Snowfall that's headed our way this week could eventually become ice and that's something you should watch out for. Certainly, if you're on side streets or parking lots and your anywhere that might be untreated, especially you're gonna want to be extra careful. I am could be slick in those areas. Meteorologist Joe kneeled with the National Weather Service and Indianapolis says we may see a day of highs in the forties. But that won't last long. The Indiana Department of Health reported 3228 new cases of Corona virus across the state, which brings the total number of Hoosiers who tested positive for covert 19. 590,000. The department also reported 24 new deaths, bringing the total number of Hoosiers who've died to the virus toe almost 9000. The key to solving in Indiana Cold case and many others could be right in your pocket Shyla Kabbalah and explains. It's an APP called Crying Door. The amps. Developers have made it possible for user's to spend time walking through crime scenes in three D, including the infamous still find murder scene. Cold Case investigator Paul Holes tells Wish TV. Seeing a crime scene for yourself could make all the difference. We live in a three dimensional world. That's how we're used to seeing things yet when you put out composites or Still frame of the video image. That's two dimensions. The APP features hundreds of unsolved cases You can walk through Shyla Kabbalah 93. W I. B C Mobile news on the level on the going online at double The IBC calm and now the forecast from the American Standard heating Weather Center. Snow will wrap up a late Tonight We are cloudy and chilly and for the holiday on Monday cloudy skies a few flurries possible may see a light wintry mix late Monday night heading into Tuesday morning with cloudy skies Tuesday and a high of 36. I'm wish TV storm track a media Biologist. It's a great time to get a great deal on a new car. When you get approved for an auto loan from Penn said, Our powered by Truecar rates as low as 1.39% a PR A new vehicles finance for a longer term to lower your monthly bill. Plus take up to 60.
WIBC 93.1FM
"paul holes" Discussed on WIBC 93.1FM
"PC mobile news on the level on the go a new way to investigate crimes. Snow is falling downtown. It's cloudy and 32. I'm Donny Burgess. Here's what's trending at two. No. Three. The key to solving in Indiana Cold case and many others could be right in your pocket, Shyla Corvalan explains. It's an APP called Crime Door. The ops developers have made it possible for user's to spend time walking through crime scenes in three D, including the infamous Delphi murder scene. Cold Case investigator Paul Holes tells Wish TV. Seeing a crime scene for yourself could make all the difference. We live in a three dimensional world. That's how we're used to seeing things when you put out composites or Still frame of the video image. That's two dimensions. The up features hundreds of unsolved cases You can walk through Shyla Kabbalah 93. W I B C Mobile news, the average price of gas and indiana's to 36 a gallon. According to Gasbuddy, the cheapest gas in Indianapolis can be found for around 2 39 a gallon. The Postal Service has sealed off several mailboxes downtown because of potential armed protests. It's another blow to an already struggling service cart. Your uniform's usually We'll get him like a month turnaround. Now there's girls that don't even have uniforms yet because the mail delivery system that's Michael Herrick on wish. TV. Herrick is visitor from Chicago here for a cheerleading competition in Indianapolis. Several other cities are also taking precautions of a planned protests across the country. Ah, list of those sealed mailboxes are on wi be si dot com. It's 10 04. Now the forecast from the American Standard Heating Weather Center. Scattered snow showers through much of the day today could see up to an inch of accumulation. Today's high 32 snow will wrap up by late tonight cloudy and chilly overnight alot of 24. I'm Wish TV Storm tracking meteorologist Marcus Bailey for 93. W I. B. C on the level on the go. Xfinity is breaking the did barrier with WiFi speeds over a gig. It's more than enough speed to power. All your devices. Introducing gig.
WIBC 93.1FM
"paul holes" Discussed on WIBC 93.1FM
"Restrictions. Governor Holcomb says the decision was made to air on the side of caution. Stand Lear 93 WBC Mobile news Sunday. We're getting another round of scattered snow showers. But by Tuesday, meteorologist Joe Kneeled with the National Weather Service says it's going to be rained Tuesday night into Thursday time frame where we may see some additional chances for precipitation. However, he says Monday looks like it's going to start off dry the key to solving an Indiana Cold case and many others could be right in your pocket. It's an APP called Crying door. The apse developers have made it possible for user's to spend time walking through crime scenes in three D, including the infamous Delphi murder scene. Cold case investigator Paul Holes tells Wish TV Seeing a crime scene for yourself could make all the difference. We live in a three dimensional world. That's how we're used to seeing things. When you put out composites or still frame of the video image. That's two dimensions. The APP features hundreds of unsolved cases You can walk through Shyla Kabbalah 93. W I. B C Mobile news. I'm Madison McGill on the level on the go and on wnbc dot com. Now your forecast from the American standard heating whether son are cloudy skies with an isolated snow shower or Fleury overnight with lows near 29 on Sunday, mainly cloudy skies with more scattered snow showers highs around freezing I wish TV Storm Track eight meteorologist Terror He stings for 93. W I. B. C. I struggled with symptoms like frequent gas and stomach pain. For years. I was bloated all the time with daily diarrhea. At first I thought it was what I was eating. I kept thinking it was stomach issues..