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Monster taught can be supported by listeners like you with patriot dot com forward, slash monster talk or by leaving positive reviews on I tunes and other podcasting sites learn more at monster, talk dot org forward, slash support. Thanks to all of you who are supporting us in this way. We are humbled and grateful and hope that we always live up to or exceed your expectations. L. corn Wisconsin is a town of around ten thousand people in the late nineteen eighties. The citizens began to have strange encounters with the creature that didn't fit neatly into any of our well-known animal categories. We could say it was a mammal. I mean, it had body hair, but was the size of a man walked up bright yet add the snout and ears of a cane, and it was by most accounts, some kind of dog man or Wolfman. In this episode we're going to be talking with filmmaker. Seth breedlove about his new documentary, the Bray, road beast, which is about the continuing sightings of the strange darkly, magical creature. Actually quite unlike any ever seen before. Giant. Ness at twenty four mile long, bottomless lake in the highlands and stuff. If the creature known as the Loch Ness monster. More, stir doll, welcome to monster. Talk the science show about monsters. I'm Blake Smith and I'm Karen Stolz ner it's October as I record this and we're finally going to be talking about the beast of Bray road. This is the first of what I hope to be at least two episodes, but maybe it's going to turn out to be three about this particular peculiar monster. Let's be clear. It's it's one like a class of monster. Some people would call it aware wolf. Some people would call it a dog man. It it's hard to really say precisely what it is because the sightings are odd because the creature doesn't really match with their scientific biological models. If it's a natural animal and not miss a dentist fide that represents something which seems to have no precedent if it's more easily into folklore, but the people who've cited it or encountered it, they don't sound like they're describing a hoax or a mundane animal. It sounds more like a creature of the paranormal or. Supernatural. Filmmaker. Seth breedlove took on the beast of Bray wrote in his latest small monsters documentary, and as the investigated he to ran into aspects of the stories that simply don't fit with the natural world. A link to sets films will be in the show notes. It muster talk that org and his film, much like this interview is more about storytelling than deep mystery analysis will definitely be digging more into this topic from a critical perspective in our subsequent coverage. Hopefully, that'll include an interview with the author who's most responsible for popularizing the legends and sightings around this topic. Linda Godfrey, regardless will be looking into dog man and where was further because I think they represent a shift in the field of cryptic zoology away from the fans and for and back towards the paranormal. And if I write about that, I'm curious as to what that means for the field as a whole and what it might indicate about the cultural trends among us. Monster lovers, even the skeptical ones. But for now. Now, let's get to our interview with Seth breedlove. I really enjoyed his latest movie, and I think he will to a link to it and his other films will be in the show notes at muster, talk dot org, more doll. All right, Seth. Thanks for joining us on monster talk. Really appreciate it. You guys met, didn't you cryptic out? We met actually met twice a year ago. And then this year I tried to make a point of actually talking for minute. I think the first time I met you, I was just buying your stuff, so yeah. Yeah, and it's funny, it's funny, I sold you a soldier, some DVD's or something, and you were like, hey, we'll we'll talk love to have you on the show, and I was like, great. And then you left and I never spoke to you again. I was like, he must've hated despised every film you, you wouldn't believe absurdly weird. Highlife isn't how complicated, how, how long anything done? It's ridiculous. It's also when you have kids, you'll see you'll say. He's already sing. It is nuts. I, I wanna see, you've been this. Normally we start with something like a bio, but you've been knocking out about two movies a year now since what? Twenty fifteen. So, yeah, we'll see if you keep that up luck. Chuck. An example of how having children ethic to live. I was telling lake that it took me three nights to what you don't. You mentioned on the Bray road based? Yes. Fetig has met. Oh, no, I totally get it. Like I, I don't get to watch much anymore. What's nice of trips? The trips that we've been taking is I actually, especially if it's a trip where I get to fly. I've been catching up on like a lot of the net flicks docs and stuff like that. So like a lot of the content that have missed out over the last year and I'm able to catch up on one I travel, but no, other than than that, I totally get it. I was thinking Karen, watching it three parts is like the Peter Jackson approach, right? It's probably how it was best seen is broken into three pieces and one when when episode of every year for three years and you get billions, it'd be great. So yeah, I'm dental if that up final part is actually in the equation I hand. Yeah, so okay. So Seth, you are filmmaker documentarian and your films have mostly focused on crypto zoology from. I've seen and the communities affected by these much drought breaks, which obviously is right in our bailiwick. So. And you're also involved with the podcast SAS, what and is there anything else that people need to know about you before we get started chatting. I'm starting. I'm actually doing a new podcast. It starts on while we, we record a bunch of episodes like next week, or I guess the week after we're, it's going to be called monster, oppa Louis. So. Is that like, because it's like a big monster city versus the small town monsters. You know what it was more just because we needed a name for a show and we we wanted to focus on something other than than than Bigfoot. And we went back and forth on titles for days. And I got to the point where I was just like, grab grab random name that we had already written down in like, that's what we're gonna call it. So that's, that's, that's all that's all there is to it. Also, kind of like the idea that this was the show would have sort of an excuse if it's called monster, apples to open with this cheesy, like nineteen thirties, radio, serial intro. So that's that's what we're gonna do, but it's going to be. It's like a show about everything that we that Mark Maske and I are interested in and Bigfoot as well. So it's it's going to be the run the gamut of subjects. It's awesome that we live in this time when the resources to kind of put these things. Together as available for pretty small investment. And like, you know, just these creative outlets that just didn't exist fifteen years ago, ten years ago. Like I, I started, I actually started podcasting. Well, before I knew anything about movies. I was doing podcasts as far back as two thousand eight. So the so it's early on mostly talked about comic books and then slowly got into the paranormal in Bigfoot, so cool, six, keep our listeners a little background on yourself. If you could tell how you got into documentary filmmaking. I've always been a film fan and especially growing up, like I, I loved movies and and I was antisocial. So I spent most of my time just watching movies. And I mean it was it was really devouring cinema. I had no life as a as a kid. I was home schooled and you know, like the movies. We're kind of my friends. So I always was enamored with film, and I watched sort of every area era of it and learned as much as I could. And that was what I wanted to be when I was a kid was a filmmaker. And then I got older and graduated high school, and I decided it was an unrealistic career path. So I just kind of kicked around and did any number of odd jobs, and it some point I got into the subject of, I guess it started with a sort of general paranormal subjects like you a follow g. and that kind of stuff. And I submitted a put together a book for puzzle called small town monsters that was going to be focused on rural monster outbreak cases in small communities and kind of like how they impacted those communities. And I submitted it to a bunch of publishers and it was rejected by all of them. And a few months after I had sent out that initial proposal, I ran into a couple of guys that that happen to have. A bunch of filmmaking equipment and I pitched them the idea at some point about making a movie about one of the subjects that were in my initial book proposal, and that movie ended up being Minerva monster, which was a, I think our budget was like, well, under five hundred dollars. I mean, it was well. It was made it was made for next to nothing. Actually, both. Honestly, the first two movies who may be the Whitehall inventor of a monster, both pobably made for under a thousand, but Minerva is definitely under five hundred. So we we made that movie and it. I worked in newspapers for a few years as a freelance reporter at that point. So I had contacts in the local start county media here in Ohio, and I kicked kicked out a bunch of press releases about the making of the movie, just hoping maybe it will generate some interest and we could actually get an audience together to watch the movie where you're making and and kind of ballooned here in Ohio and became. Sort of a, you know, locally, everyone was kind of talking about it over that that entire year, honestly, from January, when I story ran all the way until the movie was released in may, there was pretty consistently talk going on about the movie or the case, and it gained so much interest that that we decided to do this premier downtown Nerva and and twelve hundred people crowded into downtown to see the movie. And it was it was crazy. And from there we decided we were going to make another movie called beast of Whitehall, and we made that Minerva came out in may. We made beast avoid hall in September and around October. We had already gone to foul Arkansas and begun doing pre pro on boggy creek monster. So Blake said I kick out two year. I mean that really has been the case since two thousand fifteen when we made the first one. So so it's just been kind of a constant endless filmmaking daily. Uson hopefully I'm starting to grow as a filmmaker. I can see the talent and you know skills in the rest of the crew definitely growing as we we go. But you know, the biggest. The biggest thing for me right now is making sure that I'm sort of learning different editing techniques and getting better film to film. So it's cool that you're talking about that we, you know, on monster talk. We like to dig in deeper than just the stories you know to get behind the scenes a little bit and. The. We do want to promote the fact that you have a new movie coming out, which is I think tomorrow, right? So this is the beast of Bray road which I got a chance to watch at cryptic con and have I got to watch the three nights yet. So we do want to talk about the beast of Bray wrote a little bit. I also want to see if I could get Linda to come on Linda Godfrey, come back and talk. She had some really interesting things. She told me in person. I've never heard any interviews. I'd wanna get him on, you know if I can get some of that stuff out, there would be really interesting, but let's let's talk about her what go ahead. Make sure. I'm sorry, make sure when you talk to her that you get her to tell you about. There's there's apparently like a side phenomena of the dog man wherein people wake up in the middle of the night and the dog Matt standing in their bed room. So make sure you get her to talk about that because that's really fascinating, and it's something we didn't get to in our movie. Wow, that's interesting. Yeah, that is interesting. We'll have to remember that of ties in with sleep paralysis, maybe well or the heck some heads. Yeah. So. Sorry, that's a deep gut. All right. So how did you get interested in covering the beast of Bray road? Like what? What led you to that one is you've covered? I should point out. You've covered moth man and several sort of Hamad variants as well as some of the UFO tie-ins with. Yeah, busy. Yeah. I mean, this was one to where I'd actually kind of stray to stay away from it. Mostly. I've been pretty open about this which is probably gonna upset. Some some people that like the the idea of like an upright walking a dog slash human, whatever you wanna call like aware wolf, like biologically makes no sense to me. What I'm sorry. So so I I'd always stayed away from from the dog man subject because it just didn't make any sense. And and then Mark, Matt ski, who co wrote the movie with me, really pushing me to check out her book and he was like, you know, you might think the subject is silly, but you're gonna. You're gonna really enjoy her sort of approach to it, especially on that particular book, the beast very row tailing Wisconsin's dog man. And so I did decide to read it around August of last year and I absolutely adored her sort of approach to to it. You know, there is there is like a little bit of a wink and a jab here and there, and she seemed very objective and and had a great sense of humor and just I really loved her writing approach to it. And that was actually what made me want to make the film. I would say it's it's like it. It's equal parts, Linda, Godfrey, and then the good DARA story. The. The the citing that happened at the sink Coletta's institute back in like nineteen nineteen. Thirty six on the grounds keeper saw the where wolf walking off Indian burial mound muttering the word guitar. Those two things kind of equally pushed me to make the film, but it when Linda agreed to do it. It was. It was like a no brainer that we were going to tell the story, and then it kind of took on a life of its own and and in a way that none of our other movies have where you know, like we thought we were pretty much telling having a sort of like straightforward where Wolfe movie, and then we interviewed John Fredriksen and he got into all the cult stuff and that kind of changed the entire approach that we were taking to the film. But yeah, the, they really all comes back to Linda, and that's why we made the movie. I guess we should just start out by asking you to what is the what is the basic bring road? It's so in in the late eighties, early nineties, there were a series of sightings of this. I mean the best we can describe it as a werewolf like a classic where wolf and it was seen on this road called Bray road which sits just outside of a corn, Wisconsin. It's a six mile stretch of road farmland and you know a few occasional houses, but mostly farmland, some patchy woods here and there. But you know, nothing. Nothing particularly weird about the road just just sort of a typical farming road and these people were seeing this dog man starting in one thousand nine hundred eighty nine and continuing. I mean it kind of continues till today, but the the height of the sightings sorta tailed off around like nine hundred ninety three ninety four somewhere there. But, but on any number of people reported seeing this upright walking canine creature on the road was sort of, you know, yellowish orangish is in the movie. They're, they're bright red, partially because I just seen John carpenter's the fog and I really like that. I really liked that look. So so yeah, the so the citing sort of took over the town of Alcorn, Wisconsin and you know, it hit the public eye when I believe inside edition covered it later on, Fox News covered it. There's there's a bunch of stories you know that were done about this in major media and it became a, I guess, a somewhat popular story. It's funny if you go to according today, no one knows what you're talking about really. But no, I short period of time. It was. It was very well known and I would say that's sort of the story. I know there's a Michigan dog Nance stuff, but I really credit the the beast of Bray road for good or for evil with kicking off the top of the dog man as as a sort of pop culture figure which kind of is today. So yeah, that's the movie kind of takes you through the entire history of of Alcorn, Wisconsin and its relationship with the the beast of Bray road as well as a larger look at the the where will phenomenon globally. And then it kind of comes back to corn and shows you where things are going with the subject today. I just want to throw out there that you mentioned the fog. There's a four k remastered release of that coming back to theaters, I guess, to pine the Fourcade now and I just I just bought the beautiful like steel book. I just bought the steel condition, but I didn't realize there was this four k. remastered cut coming on Blu Ray too. So now I'm going to buy that as well. But yeah, it's a great, fantastic movie and I've just discovered it in last year to a really, oh yeah, it's one of the two big John houseman goes movies. There's that went. It goes story so enough, good stuff, say, citing dates back to the nineteen thirties, but then there wasn't a rash of sightings. Until the nineteen eighties and through to the nineteen ninety s why do you think that there was such a long hiatus between these initial? The initial sighting and add in the rush of signings will. It's kind of cool actually is the there are sightings in during the seventies. I'm not aware of any in the sixties authorities settings that Linda's come across. From the seventies. And then more recently, someone reported assiting on Bray road that would have taken place in the early eighties. So it's, it might be that people just weren't reporting what they were seeing or or it could be that you know do to the sort of attention being put on the subject. You know, all of a sudden people are are kind of calling in with their their own version of the story. People love to be part of these stories, and you always have to be very careful that as well. You know, the thing about the beast Ray road that I've, I really like as well as a subject is that there are. There are a lot of like rational, sort of what people consider mundane explanations for what could be going on. You know, you've got like the bear with mange thing. You've also got the the fact that there are large Wolfson especially now. I believe when I was there, I found out that wolves are sorta starting to repopulate. In Wisconsin. So you know that could go back to the, you know, like maybe that was something that people aren't used to seeing in eighty nine, you know, and and ninety one ninety two ninety three. So they were just seeing a normal wolf, but it just seemed to me that there are that there are sightings that they just are getting reported now instead of back then and that makes sense to to a certain extent, especially because it really does seem like that area bristles at this particular subject matter. I don't know why, but Alcorn doesn't want a thing to do road. Selling t shirts, any molten Thurs there is there's nothing in town periods and I'm not exaggerating like we, we actually went in. There's there's one local sort of gift store in downtown corn. We went in thinking, you know, they would have either t shirt or like at least Linda's books. They had nothing. There's nothing. There's a, there's a bar, although we never found it. There's a local bar that has the silver bowl special and then somewhere further outside of Alcorn there's a brewery that has a beast of Bray road, you know beer, but that's that's far outside. I think it's it's in a town like forty, five minutes away. So it's just, I don't know why it is, but they don't want anything to do with it inner film. There's a quote from one of the Bray from one of the actual Bray family, and he said that he doesn't think there's any commercial value to it. They're going to be like that. Is that a lot of small towns really capitalize on any local said that very different. Yeah. Well, it's it's more than likely, it's because they're all state nece and they just don't want. Since. This is this is going to be this is going to be my. The thing that haunts us as as as a production company is like, I can just some damn gonna go back to to Wisconsin and like some poor, you know, Alcorn locals gonna come up and be like your movies, the one where you said everyone in town was a satanist and and I'm going to have to explain that. It wasn't me. I didn't say it let may, but it did help my film becoming a cult classic. Oh my gosh. Well, so. What are the things I'm wondering now now I have to go back and look and see these. These these citing started in the early nineteen eighties and I don't think I'd made this connection before, right? But one of the things I've talked about on the show quite a few times the sort of relationship between certain pop culture, movies, and then people spotting monsters. Very similar to those in. I started calling some of these musters scripted 's 'cause they the pop up really close correlation like that. I was wondering 'cause nine hundred eighty one was the big year for where wolves that was the howling and a American werewolf in London. And that was just it was a great year for for anything related. And so I have to go see if those heavy any kind of correlation. Correlation does not prove causation, but yeah, right. So take a look at, I'd be curious, especially about like eighty nine or ninety one since that's kind of like those are the big two years. As far as the the burst in popularity, I would be curious to know what was coming out at that time. Thinking about this, how do you approach a project? When you're thinking about this? Like filmmaking or storytelling perspective? Do you go in with a narrative and try to piece it together with interviews? Are you get interviews edited until the narrative emerges or some other approach? How's that work? We, we've always put together sort of loose idea for how the film's gonna go. And then it never goes that way ever. There was like, like originally the flatwoods monster was supposed supposed to be the sort of like Russia Mon style like you were gonna see the the flatwoods monster story told three different ways back to back to back. And there's actually a very early cut of the movie where that's the way the story is told, but it made no sense. Like without the. Just it didn't make any sense to see it that way. And I ended up recruiting, so there's always a sort of loose version of the story put together and then it changes drastically. Once we get into the actual edit of the film with this one, the cult angle and even the entire style of movie changed a lot after we had shot our our main interviews, especially the John Fredriksen interview. Like I said, like John really did change sort of the direction of the entire film. Originally, it was all going to have this very hammer horror vibe to it. Instead of, I feel now like it has much more of like a modern day. Style too. I don't. I don't know what to compare the editing too, but I do know that it isn't edited the way at other movies got a little quick cuts and stuff like that. But yeah, so the short answer is there's an outline and then it never gets followed ever. The one case, the one case where the outline sort of dig it followed would be boggy creek monster, even that changed sort of on the fly. So I'm not great at at following an outline or script or anything like that. And even like our narration gets written during the edit. So we're, we're, we're actually, you know, editing the movie and then narrating on the fly. So you mentioned that you were influenced by hammer at least when you originally planning it. I thought that the the actual literal intro that the sort of CGI stuff felt very along those lines, but it would be hard to pull off documentary in hammer style, I think. 'cause you know getting people to wear the the old dresses in the bodice expose sort of. Thing. You could. You could definitely see putting John Fredriksen in kind of a, you know, like a dress low cut dresser? No, but. He is. He the film, the film still, there's some. There's some of those aspects to it. I, like you said the intro still has it. And then I think the other thing is they actual interviews, the way we shot the interviews is is very stylized compared to how we normally approach interviews. The backgrounds are all like made up to look like they're sitting in some sort of darkened chambers, something like that and down to like we have candles in the background, the whole nine yards like it's supposed to be very old school. It was a compliment that you that. I don't know. Our listeners forget. There's been a lot of in the paranormal world lot of buzz around the skin Walker ranch movie, right hunt for the guy. I want my two hours. Oh my God, it was boring. Jesus. Get your movie is so much better. So it's crazy. We've been talking all day about about that through texts that movie's gotten a ton of play and you are not the first person to make that claim fact. You're like, probably the doesn't person than last week said something to me about. You've heard that phrase, nothing burger that, and that's a giant nothing burger. Okay. So, yeah, I even know what you've got here is some of the some of digitally recreated, you know, but you've got, you've got these interviews with witnesses but felt significantly more authentic than anything in that other films. So one thing to like one thing about the way Jeremy's movie. I mean, Jeremy's movies are supposed to be investigative so there there's a certain aspect of that that is gonna put the onus on the filmmaker to present something that people haven't seen. Whereas I don't feel like our movies are necessarily claiming to be an investigative. Look at these subjects. It's more just a retailing is historical events through the eyes of people who have either played a part in story or who who have documented the story to begin with so claim. It felt like you were telling the story, right? Yeah. I mean for for my, you know, like I'm doing on on the. On the trail of Bigfoot, which I'm in the middle of editing along with everything else. I'm doing that. It'll be a little bit more like an investigative look. And it's told in first person perspective, from my point of view, as I've been filming that over the last year and it's kind of like my perspective on the entire Bigfoot subject a whole. So that'll be a little bit more of like that. Investigative like verite style documentary. He does. I say, like Jeremy's a great editor and storyteller. I'll I'll say like at least appreciate his style and everything. He's not incompetent, but he, he. Okay, I shouldn't. This is not about his movie. I we haven't covered skin Walker mentioned on the show, but boy, Howdy. Have I looked into it a. It is a reason we have covered it and it's because there's not much to cover there's twenty years of a book and now a movie and lots and lots of interviews wherein literally nothing tangible or demonstrable is ever presented. So we probably should cover some point. Yeah, yeah. 'cause 'cause I actually feel like I don't know anything about that story, and I've listened to my knowledge of it at all, comes from astonishing legends and from Jeremy's movie, and I'm still kind of left with an uncertainty as to what is the actual like sorta claim as to what activity is taking place. I don't quite understand it. Well, I, I don't want to like derail this conversation to go into that, but I, it's definitely something we can. We're gonna have to cover. We will cover it and you know, and. Sonesta legends did a great job of covering the stories and they took it kind of the same way you did. They repeated what was claimed without making a lot of conclusions about it, and they still find it very creepy. I don't find it creepy because I've gotten to the point my life where I need something a little bit more substantial than here's what I saw, but we couldn't film and here's what I saw, but we couldn't record. You know, at some point I need something substantial beyond that. If you want me to believe if you want me to listen to your scary story that's entirely different. I'm okay with that. If something weird happened to you. Great. I mean, it's not great, but I mean, I'm glad you survived it to tell the story. But, but if you're wanting to tell me this story and now you want me to believe it too, or have my tax dollars go towards helping to investigate. I need something a little more chunky. So that's all. Nobody's asked me for tax dollars to go to support this road research. You know my willing to streaming video or DVD. Absolutely. Did I enjoy what I consumed? Absolutely. So yeah, glad to have you on. Let's get off that terrible skin. We'll get back into the inspiration will apparently I have opinions. I didn't realize we're so emotional. You mentioned like surviving these experiences. With regards to the based, can you tell us a little bit about some of the experiences that people had enough encountering this based? Were there any? Was anyone injured or anyone died? Anything happen lung those lines sue, the to sort of like to to the very popular initial stories were were Doris Gibson's, and Tom Britta Doris was was actually she would have been the second sort of known witness. There were other reports, but the for some reason, these three doors, Lori injuries, e and Tom Bricker always kind of shuffled out as like these are the three that brought everything to the forefront, and we did the exact same thing. So I don't know why talking about it, like it's silly to do that, but they Doris was was driving. I think it was Holloway lean night. Actually. She was driving she was she was driving to or from home. One night on Halloween actually Halloween night, and she felt like she she had run over something that was in the middle of the road. She stopped her car. She got out to check because she was afraid it was like a dog or something, and she solve this large upright where wolf sort of standing in the in the middle of the road. And it actually chased after her. She, she jumped back in her car and took off and supposedly as it as a cut her car. It sort of raked its claws down the the trunk of her car and left claw marks. I believe their photos that in Linda's book, they're not in our film unfortunately. But she, she really was terrified by what she'd seen in trying to make sense of it today. She will have nothing to do with the story due to sort of ridicule factor. Tom, Tom Britta is a different story. Tom has claimed a couple of encounters. Actually, but but it sort of like he added the second one later, and I've talked to some people who who tend to disbelieve some of the the stuffy added to the to the to the initial story later, but he, he also was driving supposedly the sort of clawed arm came out of the fog as he was driving one night down Braye road and sort of grabbed at his car and actually raked its claws down the side of his car and tore off like a pin striping on his car. Both of those settings short of the, you know, the big ones where the some sort of physical. Remains of of something, you know, sort of tacking there. In both cases, it was their vehicle for Laurie injuries. E she was the would've technically been the first sighting. She's considered the first setting of the beast and Bray road shoes driving home from work. She saw this creature sitting on the side of the road, eating some type of road kill in our film the road kill was a Coon skin cap full of fake blood in pantyhose. So that was fun. Compelling, Georgia, Bigfoot, what the slain. So she she, she, she saw this thing eating eating roadkill. She she pulled up alongside it. It looked up at her and her eye for a moment as if she couldn't quite move. She ended up taking off peeling out in taking off later. She claimed that what she looked at was like looking at the devil himself, which I thought was kind of interesting. And I always wondered if that was, you know, like an an element to that description that was added after the things that sort of came to her attention through John Fredriksen. Or you know if that was actually her initial reaction to what she had seen. But I mean, you know, people that see dog man, they're, they're typically like a kind of violent encounter either at least the ones that we saw. It doesn't seem like it's a very happy sort of creature. It's not like big foot and counters tend to be, you know, just see something crossing the road or going across the creek or whatever. It's not typically running at you and trying to attack your car. And you know, like eating records on Sunday. The road doesn't typically look like the devil. And that's one of the interesting things about, you know, the dog man. So many of these stories tend to be sort of a violent nature. So that's something that sets apart from, you know, the Bigfoot subject as a whole as well, which I find very interesting. Although I Linda Godfrey when I was talking to her cryptic con, she she kind of like named in and said, although, you know she, she seemed Bigfoot and it's not necessarily any less dangerous than dog man. In fact, she she described synthetics that were really kinda she made. She made me think that she felt like whatever she experienced was more malicious than most of the Bigfoot sightings I've heard of. So I'm really. Really interested talking about that, but these these, where will stories or well, this if dog man, no one's really reported changing from one form to another though it's just it looks like almost like a Bernie Wrightson drawing of a wolf man, you know upright. Well, I mean, they're actually is someone we talked to who we interviewed someone who told us the story about seeing what they felt was some sort of shape Shifter that they felt was. You know, like a man that had turned into or was turning into a wolf, and she believed this because it as they were driven by its his nose, sort of started hunt. She put it like extending like it was turning as she was seeing if he opened its mouth and it had to. No, I mean to be to be, yeah, I can't. I can't go into tell you about it sometime when we're together because there's there's some of the things that were going on there that I figured out after the fact, but she like that was the only person I've spoken to where they had felt that they'd seen some sort of shape Shifter. Did you feel like the stories like other? I guess what I was getting at was other than what this is an exception, because I don't know this story of it, but other than that, were there any other things that made it feel like it was consistent with where we'll floor or was it mostly. Okay. What else do we wanna? One of the weird things about it to me is that that the the reports are all of of a really similar creature. It doesn't. It doesn't change drastically from one report to the next until you get up up till today where you've suddenly got, you know people claiming that they're having encounters with entire, you know. Packs of these things, stuff like that. But the the initial elk horn, Wisconsin beast road sightings, and and then I can thirty six sink Coletta's encounter. They're all similar creature. I mean, down to down to the color of the furred and everything. You know, it's kind of this. This grayish black. Sometimes there's a brownish hue to, but I mean, they're, they're all describing something that sounds almost identical, and that's very, very unusual. Like even the height, it's not people weren't reporting some some huge, you know, nine foot ten foot tall creature. There were all sort of saying, you know, six, six, and a half, seven feet tops. And this is a long period for people having they starting from the nineteen thirties through to today. So do you think that is anyone based or do you think it could be several things going on. I mean. It seems like people are reporting the same thing as to what they're actually seeing. I I, I don't really know. This is one of those situations where when you get into like the cult stuff, it kind of throws another wrench in the works as to you know what, what you might believe was actually happening there. You know there, there's the typical response to the fact that Doris is encounter happened on Halloween, is that it was probably hidden aware, wolf mask, you know? And and I mean, that's entirely possible. I personally wouldn't wanna be on Bray road at night, wearing aware, wolf, miss. Yeah, think you're you're just as likely to have one of the guys drove around a pickup truck aim his truck at you as you are like scare someone, it just doesn't. And then you've got so many farmers around there that are kinda like they don't want kids messing around their farms, and they're probably armed. You know, like when we were there, we heard guns going off the entire time. Actually. In fact, the, that's a typical sort of thing that happens us when we're filming outdoor interviews, there's always like rampant gunfire going somewhere nearby. So like there's a reason Lee hamels interview shot in his his barn was because the risk gunfire outside, and it was just too loud for us to really muscle it. So, yeah, I, I don't know how much I buy into the hoax explanation for all the sightings, but it definitely could account for some of them. It's always challenging. I think especially look for a scientific explanation. It's rare that you get a outbreak of these kind of stories were a single explanation will actually count for all the stories, the shoe, so many varieties of investigations, but that being said I could. It's been a few weeks since I've watched the film. I try to rewatch that saw this seem the first half three times now in the whole film. Once I mentioned that because my question is I don't remember you coming to any particular conclusions about what was going on. I felt like he's told the stories without actually throwing theories at that it my miss remembering are. No, that's yeah. That's kind of that's kind of our thing is is I think on this one, we actually presented more options for the audience to kind of like try to piece together for themselves, but are things really to try to solve the mystery. People either because in most of these cases you're not going to, it's like you said, there's too many. I really feel like with almost every story we've covered that there's multiple things that play it isn't. It isn't just like misidentification or hoaxes, it's kind of a whole mess of different things that are going on that are that are causing these incidents. With with Bray road, you know, we sort of presented the fact that that there are these people that believe that there's an unidentified species of of sort of I dog man that roams the the Americas, and we presented the idea that that this subject goes back pretty far. I mean all the way to, you know, the the beast of jabbed on story and further back to Greek mythology. I mean, if you wanna if you want to sort of look at it as like a spiritual or the logical being, it's there, there's there's evidence that people have always sort of thought they were. There you do as we start out going with the story of lichen and the. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And that was something we'd always planned on doing so that is part of at least the movie didn't change that drastically in terms of the opening. That was always the plan from from the very first time we decided this was going to be our next movie that it would. With that, you know, the very first sort of werewolf myth opening the movie Blackburn doing the narration. I think they're awesome animal based theories that are out there about being a wool for Koi will for a while. Dog in so many of the under reported sightings took place, especially some of the reports that were in John Fredriksen where we'll file really were, you know, sort of a quadrupeds some sort of quadrupeds rather than the classic where will type creature. A lot of those reports were just of abnormally massive walls. You know, just the it was all being reported around the same time, so so that is interesting in does lead me to believe that at least some of the reports were probably like coils or something like that. And you know wolves, everybody has a sort of mental picture what they see on TV if like, you know, timber wolves, and there's a lot of variation a there was a really shaggy wolf. That was shot fairly recently. And the internet with nuts, talking about being aware, wolf, all kinds of other things. And it was just a wolf. It's just that within the species of wolf. There's a lot of variations in what they look like in if they have mange and they're not as hairy or if they have like a particularly shaggy coat, this can lead to people, you know, seeing something, they don't understand so run. But yeah, so there I do. I actually really appreciate those those early, you know, the quadrupeds sightings is just that they weren't as I guess, romantic as the, you know, the the classic werewolf reports, and that's sort of this classic, where will reports the ones that I guess everyone thinks about when they think of the beast of Bray road. Yeah. Now you, you meant to the dog man in that's not covered extensively in the movie like the not the Michigan on me, right, but but the it's not yet. It's not covered at all Michigan one we didn't even really get into. I wish we had that was. Something, you know that probably could have made it in there, but I'm also very conscious of our run times. Sure. General audience will sit through the where will stories in Michigan date back into the seventeen hundreds. Yeah, that's that's kind of what I mean. It's like the the Michigan stuff and like the defiance Ohio stories like that was all those were all rigidly supposed to be in the film. It's just I didn't feel like just giving him a twenty second mentioned or whatever's really gonna do Justice, and it's something that I could see us maybe covering at some point. You made a good choice for may from a brand perspective because he stuck with one small town monster in one small town. If you start getting nationwide kind of dilutes the idea of small town, right? I mean, yeah. Yeah. I mean, we can we, unless it's part of the original plan. I mean invasion on chestnut ridge, which was the movie we made before fly what's monster kind of runs the gamut of these towns in Pennsylvania, but it was it was kind of, you know, that was baked into the film from the very beginning. So we knew what we were doing. But yeah, you can get it can get a little weird if you start throwing in town after. Town monster after monster. Speaking of small towns, it seems like you're filmmaking career is being focused on smoke communities which are affected by won't stir outbreaks. Why does it seem to be such a thing? Why does this went sites necessarily Coleman? But what does it seem to be something that seems to happen around the US sudden epoch happens as much in other countries, but but the lies Joe's like, I think I think it's a global thing, like a poster artists, Sam share was telling me about a local monster. The was kind of where he grew up in the United Kingdom in like we had a whole discussion about that idea that this wasn't just like an American or United States. Phenomenon is kind of all over the world. It's it's kind of thing, but you know, like it goes in America. It goes as far back as towns have. Have been sort of springing up. There's always these local stories here in Ohio. My favorite, and I love the fact that I get to talk about this because I never do, but there in Ohio in the nineteen thirties there is there's a town up near Sandusky Ohio called Norwalk and in in the nineteen thirties, there was this rash of sightings of what the called the Norwalk ape and actually have a photo that was on on the front page in the newspaper in nineteen thirty. Two of an armed posse with pitchforks shotguns and and torches, and the whole nine yards went out looking for the ape. Thing. Hi, this time. So it's it's always been a thing as far as I can tell as long as there's been towns in in the US for for there to be like a local legend springs up a local monster, and then you kind of get classic Frankenstein, like mob of of locals going out to to kill the the beast in. I don't know why that is, and I also don't know why these stories spring up when they do in inevitably die off after very short period of time, unless it's just simply the people find other things, sort of, you know, keep their their curiosity or or whatever. I mean, it's always been a thing and hopefully it never goes away because it it is. It's my favorite aspect of all. This always has been like how these sightings can come local legends in how they influence the communities where they take place or don't influence the. The communities were take place, kinda like with the minner of monster or the peace to Bray road where the town kinda wants to forget about it, and inevitably believe if that community does wanna forget about it, it will sort of inevitably die on the vine as it were like, it's not gonna second. If it's not being sort of celebrated locally many be it's a little different for the beast road because it's sort of a nationally recognized story now. But for something like the mid of monster, that story had pretty much died off when I came to it because the town didn't want anything do with it any more. So kids didn't know about the the Minerva monster. You know, like even some of the people that grew up in the town had no idea that it ever happened there. And to me, that's actually a shame because I do think these stories are a piece of the history of those communities. Just like any other piece of history. You know that influence that community. I think they have. Every right to be, you know, sort of documented and shared generation generation, whether you believe there was an upright walking, Bigfoot, like creature in the woods behind the Kate settlement, nerve are not. That reminds me of the, there's there's a town in Kansas called stole Kansas, which is supposed to have gate to hell in in the graveyard. And I, when I went out to Kansas on business, you know, like all paranoid investigators, I tried to find what was the local story. I went out to to stall to to take a look around, and I talked to sheriff there who told me about what a nightmare, that the folklore around that hell mouth sort of story has caused the town because the story is that like Satan appears like on Halloween night at midnight. And so they just had this endless Spade of people coming like these crazy, drunken college kids coming. Out to this little town where there's really not much going on and invading the graveyard and doing damage because when nothing happened, they would be out there drinking beer waiting for Satan to show up and ultimately, and they started like knocking over or even stealing tombstones from, you know, that's those are like the family markers for local people whose family still live there, you know, and desecrating that sort of sacred space of family memory. And it's like they can't get rid of the story. They try air, they, you know, close off the cemetery and then things like the TV show. Supernatural did an episode where it's supposed to be taking place. They are just invigorates at a nationwide level. The idea that legis true. So it's it's really tricky. 'cause you know, when a community doesn't want to have that, that story that legend dented with them, it's it's gotta be tough to to sort of balance the fact that the story exist. Deserves to be told with the the cared. We taken with the thoughts and feelings of the people who still live there in the community. Yeah, definitely. It's, it's an, it's always going to those local legends are always going to rub some people the wrong way like the Mothman stories to perfect example, because even though point pleasant has found a way to to capitalize on the Mothman legend, and it's a big, huge boon to their local Konomi. There are people in that community who hate the fact that that is celebrated at all. We actually had a lady approach our table at the Mothman festival until us that all of our movies were BS. And she's apparently like a local like point, pleasant, locals. She's walked up and said, this is all Bs and we just laughed. We actually laughed pretty hard when she walked away. But I mean like that, you know, there's always going to be people that that sort of rubbed the wrong way. And like in the in the case of the Cayton z- you know, like I totally think the of monster case should should be sort of recognized by the town. And I think there should be some sort of display the historical site in an all that stuff. What I don't think is that people should drive up to the cadence house and try to see the monster, you know, like in the woods behind their house. And unfortunately, when that that typically is what ends up happening like people, people do stuff like that. So it is. It is sort of a side effect of the whole thing. I guess. Sometimes too, when a town just kind of poises ranks doesn't wanna talk about people think, oh, visit cover that they. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So I been corresponding with one of our listeners about a town with the secret, which is very, it's a, it's resonates that question resonates. So I I wanted to talk about the FX work that you have any movies. It looks really good are. Do you have somebody on your team that's doing the special effects? Are you sub in that out or how does that work it? It would probably depend on which you're you're talking about. Bray wrote specifically. Okay, so so our skies on on Bray road beast are the the opening with the window and all that that Santino Vitale Santino did the stop motion scenes in the flat flatwoods monster movie with UAW os and stuff. And then he also did these sequences is kind of like a genius in my opinion, but he did the opening and closing scenes with the book. And then he let me think, what else did he do? He did the beast of Javedan which is kind of like this moving story book look, oh, well, he did the actual opening with with the Zeus and all that collagen. Anything that kind of looks like a moving illustration is gonna be Santino. And then for the the found footage looking information that's Chris scall- and then the actual where wall. Sort of live action re-creations. Those were shot by Zach Palmisano Santino myself. The costume is actually like six dollar where wolf mask that we bought on Amazon and then mod it out. There's a body suit. The eyes were hate to give this stuff away. I did this last night on another show, and then after the fact that was like now people are gonna watch it and they're just automatically going to be looking for this. But anyway, like the the eyes are like reflective bicycle tape. And so it's not. It's not a CG effect and it looks. It really works. I think it looks really fantastic. Practical, always look better like when you scale up to high def and stuff. So yeah, so so I was really happy with the way all that stuff came out. I mean, the where will costume on a whole cost about forty dollars. So it and I, I think it works like, you know, like we did what we could with it. And in the end, I think it all it all came together pretty well. So. The, you know, the illustrators in the animators in everything are are kind of a highlight for me, always. I always like really excited. See that stuff start coming in. Fifty do urine editing and how much do you shoot what actually makes it to screen. I, I do all the editing. The only movie I didn't add. It was Minnesota monster, which is one of my big regret sexually. But I've, I've, I learned to edit on void hall, and that was the first thing I'd ever edited enough kind of been editing sense. Just learning it as I go there, there is a ton of cut footage particularly with people like Linda, like it's it's always are central characters that we lose the most from. So there's there's probably an hour and a half, two hours of Linda interview. That's sitting in my office upstairs. And as far as actually on this one, we were pretty tight on b role. We shot a lot, but we were the movie's told such a quick cut pace. I think the typical shot is on screen for maybe like two fifty three or four sex. Winds. So I needed more b role than normal. So we actually, by the time it was all done. I was running low on like patients, so. So you know, there's, there's a lot that gets cut. There's you know it. It's the the best thing about the interviews for me is I get everything transcribed right away. Like that's the first thing I do in that at really helps me narrow in on on what we're going to use, kind of how the story's going to be told. So there's a lot that's cut, but I don't think typically the what is cut would inform sort of the direction of the central story. I know you've, you've done some live, the actual screens have removes, but streaming seems to be the way a lot of indie filmmakers are making living these days. What's working out best for you streaming or DVD sales or theater bookings? What's what's? What's keeping you float? We don't do. We don't really do any theater bookings anymore. We do locally. We will show usually once a year. We show a movie at the theater here in canton called the kitten palace theater. It's my favorite place to see movies, let on the show my own because it's it's a massive theater, but it's also a very old sort of ornate movie theater. So it's really gorgeous. But so we do that once a year, but we really don't do many theatrical screenings at all. And most of that is because when we made minner from monster, we did a bunch. We sort of booked small theater showings all over the state, and we just we didn't make much money that way you have. Spend so much time promoting it and all that stuff. And it just yet it was actually a lot more trouble than it was worth. So for us, it's mostly streaming, especially Amazon, Amazon prime. That's that's kind of where we found our our audience in the last two years is through Amazon. The the, the DVD sales are definitely a a large part of our business model, but I don't think it's, you know, it's it's not anywhere near what streaming is in, especially, you know, Amazon, Amazon's kind of the the king of all of our streaming platforms. Secondly, would probably be something like I tunes, which has the most middle point, pleasant, punky creek monster and invasion on chestnut ridge. And then we get into like the smaller platforms like video-on-demand vide- space and stuff. That's where we get a little bit of a. A kickback there, but it's not anything comparable to something like Amazon. Do you do better? If I mean, do you get more revenue off? DVD sale. Oh, yeah. DVD we, you know, we're taking one hundred percent of the sale, but Amazon is and the way it works out is like our audience like the audience that supports us by movies on DVD the audience that finds us is finding us through Amazon night and, and that's great. Like and people, you know, like so many people tell us, they watch our movies free on hymns on prime than they end up buying on DVD's. So you know, it's it's, I'm not. I'm not super picky about where people are going to take in our our films. I guess if it's if it's free through Masan prime. That's great. Just make sure they're telling our friends like. Well, I have every one of the movies I've watched. I've enjoyed. So there's only a couple of seen, so they've been great and I watch a lot of this stuff. So that's, you know. Neat because what we're also seeing the volition of filmmaker. I mean, you know, so. Space you are doing fairly unique work, you know? Yeah. I mean, the the the field is is wide open for other people to to make this type of content. For some reason they keep going back to making the movies or or shows or whatever, where it's just like them running through the woods, trying to find something and like it's it's a, it's a strange phenomenon within itself that that is like, what's what's happening now is that that is the only sort of approach to these subjects is to do that. But that that tends to be the way people make their their films. So I don't know. We we, what we're doing is very simple. But I do think that we've gathered team of guys that are are really good at what they do, and we're all kind of learning as we go together and it's it's a big, you know, team sort of effort. Just a few more questions and a few from one of patrons opponents is from him Mohsen. So we joked about this a little bit earlier when you're talking about this attendant town of l. cone, but some wondering if you if you had any updates from the small towns that you have been to in film to documentaries as to how you might somehow affected the town since movie's release that it's maybe brought mole tourism will interest or resurgence at the signings. I, I think. The ones that jump out at me are flatwoods and probably Minerva. Those those the to Whitehall. Whitehall. So so with with beast of Whitehall, we made hall and we premiered the movie in town and the premier was the largest single event that it ever happened in the town of Whitehall. There was like five hundred plus people that came out. It's not a very big town. So like any kind of large gathering that was unheard of. I was told by multiple people that that was the most people they'd ever seen gathered together for one thing in the entire town. So like and because of that, they now do the sasquatch festival in in Whitehall and and it was all kicked off. They show our movie, which they've never, they, they the first two years they did it. They didn't bother to ask. But this year that did ask. So it's but either way they, they've really like, I think they've figured out, you know that that's a great way to capitalize on on their local legend. So they do that now and then with flatwoods you know, that's always been sort of what, what? Flatwoods West Virginia. Was known for, but I do think our movie kicked up a pretty large flurry of interest, especially when we premiered if we can do some sort of local premier, that really seems to be when you get to witness it for yourself, like the impact that your your little films having on the community. And in that case, we did the little screening of the film at the local movie theatre it sold out naturally had to close down the theater or the the fire chief actually came down and close close the doors when let let anyone else in. And they ended up doing like encore showings the next day and they just did another couple of showing there week ago are couples. But yeah, I mean, we've definitely seen our films play an impact. The biggest is Minerva because no one and Heather knows this because she's from that area the, you know, Minerva had kind of forgot about the Minerva monster. And when our movie came out at it, kicked it back into. The public eye. And what was interesting about that, you know, we were talking about the negative impact. This type of thing can have on people. It was interesting. I talk to how Keeton who initially had the encounters with the minute of monster back in the seventies and the fallout from that for him. And I was really negative. There's a lot of negative ridicule that came their way from other kids in high school and and people from around town and things like that. And after our movie came out, I asked how he wants, like, you know, has there has there been any sort of fallout from the film coming out? And he said, everything that's happened has been really positive. I guess like one day he went into work and and a bunch of the guys were wearing Minerva. Monster t shirts. And you know they did it as like a coordinator thing, like a bunch of the guys thought it'd be fun to come come in where their monster t-shirts. He kinda thought that was really kind of a fun experience like it was that. Was a, I guess, cool to see, you know that situation in a ways be a fixed somewhat for for how he. So let's see, we've, we've seen that impact happen and you know, in a couple of cases they've they've actually used our films as a springboard for you know, some sort of local tourism. That's neat. I, I have a lot of theories about why these Munster, sightings, sort of like burst out into like a community in spread, but it seems like there's I, it gets. I need to write it up. But it has involved the way that storytelling spreads people's expectations. Primes people to look for the same kind of things, and then they might start to interpret things as being more mysterious or more in line with recent sightings and that sort of thing, which which is that. That may be true. But when when when there's physical evidence that changes everything, doesn't it. I mean, you know that that's what I find really compelling. Yeah, Heather, actually had quite a few questions that were really great. We were of running out of time, but I do want to ask one more of her questions, which you know we, this is my fault because I basically reached out to the patriots just a couple hours ago. So nobody's really had time to respond, but the deed for see yourself moving outside North America to like, do sort of international small town stories. I, I'd love to it would all come down to whether we could get the money together or not, you know. And if the funding is there, obviously, I mean a really is honest to goodness, independent filmmaking. You've been doing these like out of your own pocket or figuring we do. We do a kick starter at the beginning of each year. Yeah, right around right around beginning of February this year. It's gonna be February seventh of twenty nineteen, but we've. Yeah, that's actually how we funded everything. Since two thousand fifteen in this year's will be are a feeling. This is our fifth Kickstarter might be. This is you know this. This has been. So yeah. So we we started asking I think on on Minerva. We asked for like five hundred dollars wanted enough to print DVD's in we made sixty five hundred in the boggy creek. Monster kick started raised seventeen thousand than the next one is twenty four thousand than last year raised thirty six. So like we're trying to, you know, like obviously, if if people are seeing an increase in quality, they're gonna know they're not just throwing their money at people who are using it to go by, you know, lavish McDonald's meals or something. Yeah. Oh, yeah. So you can probably do like Puerto Rico to Picabo kind of thing if you wanted to at some point. I mean, if we if we had the money, you know, like the one thing is like I say, we make like we can raise whatever we raise, but inevitably that runs out because we're, you know, we're doing three projects year essentially and actually twenty nineteen. There's going to be four projects. There's a, there's a project that we are producing that we haven't even announced yet. That is, it's, it's it's going to be a companion to the midwest monsters of the midwest trilogy trilogy which is burrowed road beast terror in the skies and Momo. There's going to be this companion project that's coming out directed by really talented filmmaker tear guys doing like a Thunderbird thing. That's that's yeah, it's it's like winged crypt in state of Illinois. We, we actually just shot that last weekend. That's where we were last week was in Illinois filming. So we we were down on. In the in Alton Illinois, filming the Paiva, and then we went up to the lawn Dale and shot. You know, the location, the Dale citing, and then we're going to have a bunch of stuff in there about the Chicago Mossman as well. So we've got all kinds of stuff in that one, but Momo's one I've been wanting to tell since we made Minerva. So I'm most excited about that right now. But yeah, we do. We do a Kickstarter each year and that's what funds everything. And if if I can raise enough to go international at some point, I absolutely would cool stories disease. With one final question that we all school of August and that is will to favorite monster. I mean, my favorite monsters. The Minerva monster. I just love that story. Flat flatwoods monsters. Probably up there to those two are kinda like the their neck and neck my favorite story like crypto or paranormal stories, the Mothman story as a whole. I think there's so much to that. It's so fascinating but be favorites. Probably the monster. Interesting. Did you? You mentioned that you love hammer films. In we're here not Tober and people will be looking for stuff to do for Halloween themed. Do you have any favorite hammer films should wanna recommend people yet the? I mean, the one I love the most is not one that people to think of, but the hound of the Baskervilles the the Peter Cushing crispy, yeah, yeah, yeah. Christopher I do or that movie and I always have. That's actually the one that probably was most influenced by in terms of the opening and close of of our Brad beast movie. But I love curse of Dracula that that was one that my mom actually showed me when I was really young because she was kind of I think, secretly in love with Christopher Lee. So she showed me. She showed me that one when I was a kid and and it always stuck with me because there's also the curse of the werewolf which is pretty good too, but it is Oliver, oh my gosh, I didn't have to do it. Impressive. Based on the where over Paris, the guy in key indoor? Yeah, novel really good movie. Have you seen it? Is the devil rides out? I haven't see. That's the one that I've been hearing a lot about. Yeah, I might have actually talked with you about that one at cryptic con faith that Christopher Lee plays the the hero. Sweetly sort really good. Yeah, really good. Yeah, I need to check that one out my favorite, like my favorite hammer movie that isn't a hammer movie. Sleepy hollow Tim Burton, sleepy hollow because it feels like a hammer movie. I haven't seen peak, but I heard it's also kind of a very Hamry feel. Hi. I haven't seen it yet either into. Toro, but this is good stuff, but. Said he's gonna tangent. All months. Three, I think. Yeah. I mean, I was on. I was on a show last week with list by French Shannon grow, and we spent like twenty minutes talking about the nineties great expectations movie was going. Paul tro Ethan Hawke. So at least we didn't go down that road. Exactly. Yeah. Relatively goop free. Seth, thank you so much for making time to talk to us. I want. Yeah, we'll put linked to your newest release in the show notes plus your Uber. So is there anything else you want us to link out to small. One of the movies alive and actually like forty five minutes from right now. This. This'll be live on Wednesday. Awesome. So that's fantastic. Thank you so much for coming joins. Appreciate it. And it was really great to talk a little longer, you know. Yeah, thanks for anything that we miss that you wanted to tell people that we didn't cover. That's you know anything at all that you want to promote. I mean, back back the Kickstarter slick. That's you know that right now is kind of the lifeblood of small-time author. So fewer into getting cool t shirts, statues, and all kinds of stuff. We do all that stuff with external for being ignorant about that. And when when you do your next kick star, let me know in talk about it on the show. Yes, sir. I will. All right. Cool. Well, thanks, everybody. You've been listening to monster, talk the science show about monsters. I'm Blake Smith and I'm Karen stalls. Are you just heard an interview with filmmaker? Seth breedlove of small town monsters about his latest movie, the Bray road based links to the film and to his other works. 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I just got busted taken the left on read by one of those intersection cameras, and I'm not paying it. Fuck them. You can leave us a message at eight eight six three four one seven four four good heroes didn't have to pay for going through arrows skin while like that? By the way to set a funny. And I hate soccer note. Dylan love soccer, I'm convinced because he knows I hate soccer. But either. The love soccer soccer. And I said to him. Oh, you watch your soccer game. Like well. It's well, let's see. Score two and a half to two and a half and tie. Any anyone? It was too. Close. I know mathematically possible the joke that are making fun of why you don't need to watch soccer. So his game. How many lovely balls and great crosses comes down to that. It's it takes a lot of skill. And so does archery. But I don't wanna watch it. Johnny Mathis chances are and I jump in real quick because I reminded affair who you've hours starring Steve good, Berg diner. There's a scene to Chris thrown up here where they discuss this discussion. This better. Math. This was the debate back in nineteen hundred. God I forgot about that. Tremendous compare. Mathis. She's no way. No way totally different leagues. The both great singers. Don't think about Samachar. He's good. Yeah. But you can't compare them. Is the Lord speaking movies nightclubs skin me as long for our Johnny? So we're in Vegas few weeks back, and I was like looking at some hotel. I remember when my buddy filled the juggler opened Johnny Mathis years ago went out to visit him in Vegas. Johnny Mathis when you meet them in real life is I had a little Michael Jackson in Michael Jackson, the very soft very feminine snaring, burn. Very wavy kind of luck and a little famine, and it was always rumors. He was gay. But it was the back was Liberace's a confirmed bachelor count ladies. Ladies you can try. Lady. Yeah. There's a lot of a lot of that. But side said any mad so how many records, so let's all be blown away by Johnny Mathis. Johnny Mathis is what? All right. So Ryan might right. The only Brian because Johnny Mathis star athlete in high school how many records Johnny Mathis sold including the Christmas albums. Thought to be the fifty million eighty million. Yeah. Patas looking because that would have never I'll tell you right now that I think Lee said records meant the records that were about stuff CDs. Fifty million. All right. So he's the guy. He's so three hundred fifty million records. Now, forget about that part. Let's talk about the part. I think he was a track. I think he was on the track team in some capacity triple jump. Okay. Yeah. I think it's a jumper high jumper in played on the basketball team is she got an athletic scholarship points and hall when he brought. Was there? Oh, that's right. You're right right bed. I'll be more impressed. I mean, say something Geller that spoon with your mind. Yuri. Listen, you're getting bend my spoon with your mind. I'm impressed. You got to the car and get your own stone. I'm less impressed. And I was literally eating these facts. Out of bed. You're right. I'm not that impressed. Athletic scholarship in college. While they're sets the hijab record high shop there for. Eight five and a half inches, which is still one of the top jump heights. That's Johnny man that she's just sort of didn't seem like a big or athletic guy. We now see him in real life. He started to minuted soft hands, shake and everything. It was only it was only two inches short of the Olympic record at the time. And that's what I did the roll over the bar, not very flop and this. This. This is an Francisco San Francisco stage him and Bill Russell actually feature San Francisco. Chronicle demonstrating their high jumping skills Russell number one in Johnny number two in the city of San Francisco at the time he wants come up to his naval during one me. John paul. During one meet Johnny actually beat Russell's high jump attempt that day, and he's often referred to as the best all around athlete to come out of the San Francisco Bay area. Cares. You brandy Mathis? Oh, he was supposed to try out for the Olympic team in Australia and fifty six, but he hadn't cheese between that or going to New York to record took his. New York and to sing new Johnny Mathis athletes, decorated insane, right. Wow. And no idea. All right. My Johnny Mathis moment, I know one song. Chances are I'm duck as you Chris. Like original song chances arm done. All right. I wanna thank Tommy John. Tommy, John dot com slash m truecar truecar dot com and gyco is. Well, all right. Let's do some new show. Gina grad terrific. All those crazy. Gene, grad trouble. Gene. The news with Gina grad. Some really sort of horrific news just a people are talking about today. Empire star jussie small it was brutally beaten in Chicago by two men in ski masks Monday night, and what appears to have been a homophobic and racist attack. According to TMZ new here, and you're like, yeah. Right. What they do. Well, the very very good evidence to support that. So sources say the thirty six year old openly gay actor walked out of a subway sandwich place, run two AM when the two men approach we gotta get rid of the subway f word LT like walked out of the subway. Yeah. You didn't see a movie the warriors? What we do carrying a sandwich. Yeah. So they beat him up. Then reportedly tied a rope around his neck and poured bleach on him. Witnesses say they ran off yelling this maga- country over this is Chicago bizarre. No, it's not small. It was taken the hospital treated for fractured rib. He was discharged Tuesday morning. Chicago police are investigating the attack. They're treating as possible hate crime. How do you know who he is? I know, but you have to follow him or are these guys just unlucky racist? Think myself race. Beautiful white children, beautiful white neighbors. Wife drives a beautiful. Trimming my head scissors. Got it all so there's there's something that was going on before this. So meanwhile, this letter was sent to FOX studios in Chicago and TMZ sources say the letter was sent eight days ago, it's dressed to him. It looks like I don't know a three year old and it's bad picture of somebody shooting him in the head and it in cut out letters. It says use the guy the black fag. Yeah. So some Nope. So somebody is targeting this poor guy hospital cigarette. Right. Here's what I'm going to say up front right away. I hate to even say this. Because it's it's I hate that. I have this feeling, but I don't think it's real. I think it set up bullshit. I think the fact that they had bleach on them in Chicago hoping to some black. I would walk in. They do this and have a rope. This something about this that stinks. It's too perfect. Now AJ. I will I will speak to that thing. When I read this headline. I was like this just doesn't add up. We're gonna find out tomorrow something something. Off so bizarre. And it's so horrific. I thought the same thing. What are we going to find out that hopefully contradicts this because it's horrific is the bleach sorta white skin black skin thing. Symbolic of you know, dirty clothes. Yeah. It's crazy preacher new movie, by the way, turning people Ying's. We'll see Josh how have only only sold only on Sean. Up nine times a week. But he find that scene from Billy Jack tonight spring parlor, they. Dump our? Buckwheat in it in the clothes washing machine. Roscoe clean fun back now. Yeah. So here's my take. I could never say something is a hoax because it's horrific, and it may may definitely be true. I'll say that we've had a lot of hoaxes and the problem with a lot of hoaxes as it brings into question. When real things happen, you go now so real up again, it's more created a what's the swagger and the bathroom at the airport backwards. So we've had a lot of that. So now, we all have to go, which sucks sex for this, pork, if you think about it statistically, we live in a world where it's like, oh, it's so racist, homophobic, racer home folk, and then the big stories come out, and then we get a little peek by the Kurt. And it turns out there's a lot more going on. It wasn't what it just go with the present that, but there's gotta be some. Yeah. This is it just go back to the March with the Indian and the Covington high school cage, and the whole thing was filmed from certain. Angle, blah, blah, blah. There's too much this too much of the story. That's perfect. That's the perfect racist thing the bleach the rope. I don't buy all of it. And because we just went through this other bullshit story. I need time anytime AJ, all right? Only randomly popped him ahead. The other day that was similar in the sensor. First instant, all of our first instinct was this horsh it ended up being true? Apparently the London Jason Jeremy London the one who was kidnapped. Our new drugs. On sure you're forced to springs where I don't know. Com. Spray was hair me or Jason London. And he violated his parole. Like, it was like, oh, they forced me to do drugs, sir. You guys were calling. Yeah. Downey junior. Did the what's junior just more? Just more. Robert down. It's both literally just watching down like pulled himself into the bathroom at O'Hare towers shirt, I throw himself on the ground. And then took a sharpie ballpoint pen and truth. So on the second we found out he did that to himself. We should have had him killed as this -ociety. We're like listen to play that's a special circumstances sort of crime. I know you didn't take a life. We cannot have you walking amongst us any more fucking. You're you're the worst person ever, and you shouldn't even wanna be alive. Actually, you would do this to yourself. It's the opposite of the boy cried wolf kind of. It's like you did everything that we're frayed of. And now he can't believe the real people. It is a crazy story. But I think I have him. I have an all star lineup of television smokers for my he's he's on my mount Rushmore guys smoked while the any other thing was always funny about guys who smoke could see John Lennon doing all these guys. They'd sit down. They do an interview with dick Cavite and they'd have a lit cigarette and they'd be holding the lit cigarette. And they'd be going. I'm gonna take a draw and like Where'd you meet Yoko, and they put the thing back go. Well. And will you guys all met what fifteen six and they'd start to cigarettes their mouth ago? Paul was Ringo was even gets a smoke. You can't be interviewed and properly smoke. So now, you're just up there. Stinking up the place with their cigarette. The bucket ashes and cabinets Antic. He's got a question chamber. Never get into your mouth. Right. It was pure affectation. But you remember like hell all could it was to see Johnny Carson come back from break in steal a quick. Yeah. Your friends the next day. And is in the Mets Doug Alice mocking in the eighty six playoffs. I love it. Unbelievable. Too bad guys molested by staff. Keep calling. Zine high school best guy area. Chief is it's he had a lot of time. I only know Keith Hernandez because the sign feld when he when he was nine s nickname just for men. Greece and formula. All right, sorry. Where were we waiting? No, I'm just trying to find that stupid seen. All right. So we'll find out more about what happened in this case. Stored terrible. So Monday night. It was reported that a list of Grammy winners was leaked on social media now. Listen up betters, because here's what we know. Yeah. Hackers from Russia, supposedly got back door access to Grammy's website and posted the twenty nine. So according to the post Grammy awards will go to the following people beyond say lady Gaga, Travis Scott Cardi beat Zad with Merrin Morris. Chris Stapleton Cole. Swindell childish Gambino and best new artist Chloe and Halle, however spokesperson for the Recording Academy issued a categorical denial. They said there's no legitimated legitimacy jersey. I can't I'm going home. Grabby awards results are not shared even with Recording Academy staff members until the day of the Grammy award. They're threatening legal action against the how do you know that the Oscars are shared and the grandma's your shed, I had an acting teacher named Carrie snodgrass. The actress who did mad housewife she won the Golden Globe. She was up for the Oscar. But she hated Hollywood. So they said Charlton Heston was the was the sag later. He goes carry. You gotta come to Yonkers you, you know, if you come. It's gonna mean unit you'll get the award. And she was with Neil diamond, which is named Phil nano, the the rock and roll Neil. Not the sweet Caroline heldman. What other you know, what I mean? Okay. Young was Hollywood. He goes, you're not going to the wards and Charlton Heston, flew the helicopter to the compound and said if you don't go you don't win. She was I'm not going and she didn't win. So she told me she was my coach, and she was adamant that what he fucking dies. I'm gonna tell everybody that this everybody knows. But she died first. Wow. Gonna win. You're getting vengeance. For her right now. Dan, right. Yeah. We'll see. I don't know. Please don't place you've had. You're living in Bristol, right and their three hairstylists that are going to open shop. Third. There's Donald Trump over here. Chris Berman's places across the street and then Neil Young's guys. Shop just across where do you go? Killing think Neil Young's guy works very hard. Probably. I'd probably go to full stop turning a little stronger. You have the Billy Jack. Seem exit pattern. They took the little Indian kids into eat some ice cream shore. And this is the first mistake. Barron ice cream show. Yeah. All right. So no headdress. No moccasins, no service. Here we go. This is. I don't know why. But it's kind of reminiscent of the time. We're living in now though, it was like seventy two. Generic rock and roll music wet. What do you kids want her nice thirty cents night salad? Please. He's a legal. Head of us. Tony. Here comes the townies. Now, you're fucked. You can't leave. Smart that'll. Guys. Don't retarded brother. Simple. I think he's more Richard. Here's retarded Friday. You should have a right to serve if you want to right, right? Okay. Little up yours, your feels of if you want you to serve. With provide. The cone says the Coachella check. He's. Flower. What's wrong with this guy's mouth? But the way half the people are White House twelve years only one Indian. Yeah. Simple sedition is simply to make myself yours non white friends. Why never worked? Oh. Flour on them. Eric is bright. Boy, you of women in fighting. Billy Jack's going to right? This wrong. Chase something being like the town. You can be in the town racist. Tire leaving money on the table. The car walking you can't work because your schedule like you're racist schedule like what if some kids are what have Indian kids are eating the Baskin Robbins. And I met my desk. I gotta get up and walk across the story. I want to get home at five, and I don't know what's going to happen. You have to confront strangers all Coletta. Switch switchblade, y'all. Come on come on. You'll saying if you look around identifies racist. The town races wife would go like come on. Now, we gotta fuck mortgage over here are payment, Molly, you know, this. This. By the way, it's not like you get a stipend for being the town nonprofit. There's one way out and by the way, you gotta work weekends holidays. Special flower alone. What did this guy do after this movie, I need to know his career at Bernard taunted brother, I need to know? This guy's done. Well, tastic his name is Bernard. And although I think Billy Jack called them Bernard or burn something. They never knew how to pronounce his name correctly. And then the movie at some point he got in his four twenty seven vet, and and Billy Jack made him tribe it into the river. Like, he's like, I'll either kick your ass. You drive your new rich white guy car into that river grove. I think deniro took this scene and turned it into now, you can't leave what the locked door in the bar with the motorcycle guys. It's very reminiscent of that we have now we have we have John Lennon on dick Cavite waving around a cigarette. Does he ever take a hit off it? No. So the entire time. He seem light it 'cause he's on heroin. That's just talking waving it around. And we don't really know what happens because it goes to break. He's on junket. He lights lights the cigarette. I use it matching match matches heroin lighters with Yoko all over bag. All over. And oh, yes, we're it's you is it, and then he was pretty calm about it. Because she to Capri she's talking. So she can't smoke John's just lit it up. I think they're thing is like look we don't enjoy cigarettes. But we joy secondhand smoke. In the whole front rows going to walk out, your smell like an ashtray, Brian you can confirm this this clipper watching right now. This is the clip they used for Forrest Gump. Is it looks like it is appear solids. Pure solid nineteen seventy-one all spat, you the segment producer said John will sit closest to dick Cavite and then Yoko. Well, we'll leave a seat open for leisha. Yoko? And then John probably went no Yoko. Sit dare John. Dick cabinets talker crosser the whole time. All right and sorry. He never takes draw just raving. I had a buddy who was a junkie junkies. Always light cigarettes matches never lighters. Got to be true Sarit is more. You know, they always, you know. I had a bye friend of mine. Tell me that by guys always put dress socks on starting with the right sock. Thank god. I go. You're ever. Get around at it puts that dress sock on the right spies by. Yeah. We're learning lots of day. Grounds. All right. We'll TMZ reports that Conor McGregor and could be nelga made off. I said that correctly are affecting suspended for their roles in the UFC two twenty nine post fight brawl so Connor was hit with a fifty thousand dollar fine. And he'll be eligible fight. Yep. He'll be eligible to fight again on April. Sixth could be suspensions different. He was hit with a five hundred thousand dollar fine. And a nine months ascension, but he will have the ability to get a three month reduction if he makes an anti bullying video hold on a second guaranteeing on the rematch number made off. Okay. Connor gets vanquished. And he's sitting there on his the on his bought like on the canvas gonna lean against the fence kind of dazed and confused and Khabib hubby could he could leave. Bell? Right ever start screaming spits on then he goes over the fans they start fighting with the Russian Kroll. Then other guys jump in the ring and start throwing punches at McGregor. I'm not sure why mcgregor's getting fine. I mean at certain point he was trying to fight back and his whatever bad things about the Russian guys shocked out. And then you're sitting there and a bunch of guys jump in the ring and try to kill you. I don't know what your part is. It's probably carry because from throw Connor said thing. Yeah. Yes. Connoisseur things about their organized crime possible connection that really pissed them off. Gary. There was also when Khabib went over the fence a few members of Khabib team went over the fence the other way from the audience into the octagon and came at Connor aggressively. And before they had a chance Connor threw the first punch and hit one of them. Yeah. They're saying he threw the first punch at a civilian. I'm sorry. When when guys who are wearing tap out. He go over the fuck and top railing land, shiny. No the from this guy's camp and two of them Spar with them or wants his judo coach or something and they come running at you ask what what their businesses. You do throw the first buck in punch more. Yeah. That's neither here nor there. Right. Right. And then who's in the wrong number mate? Okay. Then AJ don't remember. If this is the guy you were talking about bringing up just in case cousin. He's an MA fighter was also involved with the ball. He received a one year suspension at twenty five thousand dollars. That's the guy brought the story to you guys. The other story that's going on with Connor that's making the rounds. Is that on December tenth he was brought in by cops in Ireland question about a rape in a nightclub. There are people who think it's not true. There are people I talked to a news organizations, and I says it is true. He was questioned and then released. We're still waiting to find out if it's true or not, you know, it strikes me that all these guys. And I don't know where could be is from. But there's these guys it's like remember how pork was the new white me. Sure. These guys from you crack stand or like the new white meat like we used to have twenty nine Babacan pick Randall Tex Cobb guys from like, Oklahoma. The white guy the Baltic is. 'cause they up wrestling bears and keeping on the floor and walking through seven feet of snow and stuff like there. The new why not into getting his head, bashed and more black neighborhoods in America? It's about brushing horrifying neighborhoods where you you eat like a loaf of someone's to eat someone's shoe heel for week thing. It's like the worst underprivileged poor people in Russia. The guys again, the guys who will always be the fighters will just be the poor people. You know, choose used to fight Italian Gianni Mirisch. He was quite a fighter. What's his heritage? Johnny mathis. I don't think this is real last name. Oh, he oh interesting. He's oh God, we looked it up Trinidadian. No. He may he may be Caribbean. Got some got some Hispanic and some black Hispanic Trinidadian something weird resilient in Spanish interesting. Mathis Israel Lessing. Wow. Interesting. Too weird one for zillion shortish guy must be shouldn't Hernandez. Let me tell you about that. Tommy, John, I'm wearing my now, if you're big Valentine's surprise, it's going to the supermarket for some roses or the drugstore for some chocolate. Rethinking man, Valentine's Day gifts can be great with Tommy John redefining comfort for men and women Luxuria soft feather light moisture wyking underwear that moves with you know, pinching no bunching. No riding up. Look, you will not go back. 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Great Colfer to Johnny Mathis invitational, track and field meet. Well, feel me invite a lot of guys. All right. Well, we are we are in the betting season. So we'll just keep on that track. Millions of people are planning to bet a little something on Super Bowl fifty three but truly committed gamblers Brian wagering on the halftime show. Oddsmakers all its makers are landlines about all sorts of things. But the most popular right now eight hundred. Is what song they're gonna play? I as of now here the odds. One more night three to one makes me wonder three to one animals five to one and don't wanna know and girls like you both six to one. They're also bets on whether Adam LeVine will wear a hat, whether he'll take a knee and support of the players during the anthem or anyone else will fall during the performance. Wait a minute out there during the anthem, right? Like PLO the anthem. Yeah. No, no, not handsome says and in support of the if he whether he will take a knee and support a player, he'll take the anthem. Why would point who knows? I think someone who doesn't know what they're talking about wrote that string. Right man, says he's taken tutti this year an extra support of chancellor. What's your face? The anthem Gladys Knight or something? Well, you'll be did initially. They said, hey, we got maroon five, and I think I was here. And I said where all the black stars from Atlanta why they're not singing. And then they've added like eight black stars from the land including Gladys Knight. And I forget who else is singing who's black from that is where where would he be during being? He's on the way there if you really wanted to do your thing would he come out and take an each show. Someone got. I don't feel the blame. He might take. The prophet is probably willy technique during his performance. Right. It's absurd. What's is over under like fifty four and a half or fifty five fifty? Pages three and a half. And I think it's fifty sixty over under I'll take PAT's and under. I like, well, my feeling is if it's three and a half. I take the Rams because pats win dramatic whatever point five two or three points at the end the break everyone's harp. At least you'll have the bet. All right. Well, if you Miss Black panther in theaters last year, you'll have another chance to see it, and it won't cost you anything a day after the movie one at the sag awards for best ensemble in a motion picture. Disney announced the Black Panther will return to the movie theaters in celebration of black history month last year's highest grossing movie will screen for free at two hundred and fifty participating AMC theaters from February first February seventh for free. Yeah. And then they're going to donate a million and a half dollars to the United negro. College fund is have a little note on my screen Ernest. Big going down to the Inglewood magic. Johnson theater for the midnight, screaming little Q and. Well, we're kind of going. Scored it and he'll walk to span when when when he's done just a little heads up. Wonderful thing to do. Let's. Can they can use the word nigger? Ask. The national association with it isn't the color people. I can't why does asking. To get into the lab. Just ask. Where's her cleaning stuff? Just ask. Yeah. Yeah. Ernest fig it once. Yeah. I like my new science. The science guy. Don't wanna hear him do everything. Yeah. You don't even murder. So that over the Inglewood Magic Johnson theater midnight showing following the free for showing Friday and Sarah. Nobody goes alone walked out to the car. He goes with somebody. But they don't they walked they take shepherd pass. Right. It goes back yet. Yeah. Yeah. He's a brave individual. I don't know gonna find out. We're gonna find out. AJ curious if you have anything on Tori, spelling because factor. Dr. Is that? Okay. Can I say that nineteen Ninety-one news is over twelve? She wasn't Ashley. And I thought she was a Alano. So that tells you I was like that night. Belly will Milano? China Club in. And I thought she was worse for tours spelling. Well, listen Alana was quite a looker story. What on the pay grade not pay on the looks great? She wasn't quite approaching there. We're looking at a now until ninety one to the height of her power much me to apparently. Yeah. Wow. That's a feather in your cat. Not really no story. Worth reading the store nearest. It might get me feeling the stodgy. What do you do? You just not want the feather. So Bernard doesn't dump the sack of flour and your head or is really not a feather near. I haven't counted as but I I couldn't resist saying guys hooked up in the in the height in height of nine. Oh, two one. Oh, you tell me was ninety while. She was people knew as I guess it was on ninety one. Yeah. Yeah. Time watching it. But I knew like, oh, that's somebody that I should know. Right thought it was the most Milano, and I just I heard okay. Well, it finished the right way the morning sun came up and I saw a morning show. And I realized wait a minute. I didn't fuck. Listen llano. Tori, spelling? Real hero. We've all they're all. Well adults. Yeah. Well, in in much less exciting news about Tori. She knows how you feel if you're dealing with some big credit card debt, spelling just received a court order, forcing her to pay eighty eight grand to American Express that. She owes the credit card company sued the actress three years ago for failing to pay months and months of bills. It's still waiting for her to pay. So AmEx got a court order forcing her to cough it up. And then so spelling in her husband dean McDermott. They've had very highly publicized financial problems apparently over the years. Well, anti sued by CitiBank to pay four hundred grand sorry for while. Okay. So Aaron spelling Aaron Hernandez, spelling. Dad that guy lived across from. From Hefner home. Be hills. Famously million trained would take you to the president wrapping room and say say. It's crazy place. Right. All right. And they show for a jillion dollars. And then I guess candy spelling went and bought like a double rise Wilshire townhouse for a billion dollars. I think off a will share whatever their whole corridor. Super high rise super expensive kind of closest we get to Manhattan out here in terms of that kind of real estate. There's a there's jillions of dollars that were generated by Aaron smelling. What is is she seen? None of it or a big dispute between candy and Tori. Candy live. I think she is. Yeah. I heard that every time dean and Tori have a child. That's when candy kicks in and gives them money. That's what I think I've read that firsthand. I've read that sorta story because they're they're over extended candy helps them when she's got a better relationship. Angelina Jolie and John voiced or candy thinks he does I think he makes people think it again along great and Angelina probably hasn't really said anything worthwhile to him in probably fifteen years. I think they're very hard people to figure out Aaron spelling was worth six hundred million and at his death men, then they sold the house, you know, and leave it all to candy. I looking at like, those just the celebrity network things. So Aaron spelling with six hundred million candy spelling is now six hundred million Cal, Tori, spelling is now five hundred thousand. So I don't read read. Yeah. Yeah. For eighty and so I guess she's not, hey, whether. They're the Menendez brothers or one of the spellings try to keep things cool with the rich. Parents he'll be happy down the road won't be you won't. That's the story. Like we were talking about. How do you discipline your kids? Can you put your hand on a kid? What he did is just were like almost worse. What what's just to not even acknowledge that you have like just not giving them any not giving her anything of his fortune to just look away from his daughter. What done too? Well, he gave her in. I don't think she was a great thespian. He gave her a role in the series. You know, that's that's where. That's what I would do the same thing for my daughter. She was on hotel your son. Your son did the math that means would bang is doing now. Listen. Thing to say to the cops and they're pulling out of her room. Wait a minute. Honey daddy trailer show. There's a spot for you wouldn't do that. Yeah. Not you wouldn't do. No. I mean, come on something Sambol show. I get it. And then no one could act and who cares and they gave. But I'm thinking about would you give your daughter fifty million dollars? If I had six hundred. Yes, you would. But don't you think if if she was twenty nine and you died and gave her fifty million dollars. She just fuck it all up like, I guess, you're right. But I couldn't leave them with. I couldn't leave it with nothing. I think I would need some sort of plan. You know, three thousand dollars a month is provided you're working sober. Whatever sounds like maybe candies doing. Maybe it says will if there's we will take care of the kids, but we're not taking care of Tori and dean, I don't know. I'm guessing I don't know. All right. Yeah. So Tori, inherited eight hundred thousand dollars along with their brother who inherited two hundred thousand dollars candy inherited the rest, and she set up a ten million dollar trust fund for Tories eldest child is okay there. They're not in there at all. Banning MC Dermott thought it was in great fucking humiliated. The next morning. It happens. It happens. All right. Let me tell you about truecar sixty seconds. That's as long as it's commercials kinda last last, you know, what else you can do in a minute and get an offer on your car. You just go to truecar use your smartphone or your computer. 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I came to LA ninety seven I had a TV show on the channel my tagline was famous bitch. And I kept getting letters in the mail fame bitch. And so is your ex girlfriend because she's fucking Donald Trump. And I go who sending me these things fifty then Roger stone was doing that too. Why? Out of his mind. So he's gonna turn on Trump. And this is a very big situation going on you think he's going to turn on Trump. They'd see ironclad. I know twenty years ago, somebody not to turn on Trump. He's going to turn on. Now. I watched the last year has been saying, you would you be interested in that Roger stone documentary? I was like kinda get the idea and then his aims in the news. Like fuck it. I'm watching the Rogers documentary. Now, your first instinct might be. Yeah. But you know, it's gotta figure who's making Rogers don't is the subject of the willing participant and star of this documentary. It is as though he produced and directed it. It's not a fluff piece. But he is a will ease in every scene. Right. Talking about himself. Here's the headline already because one day. He'll turn the headline will be Rolling Stone. Ooh. Good from my news. I heard giant tat to like in between his shoulder blades. Mr. monopoly, restoring hangs out with gay guys does the whole game you something to Razi crazy, dyed hair. Please share it's fine as long as you have money as long as you're out of prison, but do hair colors, and then you go to prison your hair immediately gets fucked up. Yes, that's true. That'll be the real, you know, he's he had these swinger parties gonna ask, you know, fatty you see that had a special request. Pay allegedly paid guys have sex with his wife African American gentlemen. He posted explicit that that he had Johnny Mathis. Fuck is wife, and he watched. Okay, listen. It's crazy. Joanie Mathis may not be lacking. I think he's a Spanish like the Senator who like, you know, is a little too anti-gay turns out shocking. Shocking. Godfather for guidelines to call people cook. Kohl's. Trump's friends like this how creepy this? So obsessed with him Michael Colin Roger stone's saw obsessed with Trump and Cowan turn and he's going to turn that the big term day turn harder. Big Trump turns kind. In nineteen ninety one when I was a newspaper guy. Don't trust this guy. He's bad news. He's crazy. And he's dangerous. How many years later he still at it? Well, I was I was listening to something on the radio, and they were talking about how how what the source was. But Roger stone's been grooming. Donald Trump to be present Vicks thirty years. He'll take thank you. He's to take out weird ads in the paper. He really started putting up bugging his ear and everybody laughed at him. And he said, I know what I'm doing watch this. Well, he's kind of a kind of a clairvoyant. Yeah. Puppet. Master. Yes. But he is crazy. Fucking guy. Be careful with him. See the doctor very anyway he was arraigned Tuesday morning. We'll leave it at that. No fatty stack. Well, someone would invent my welcome. Mat scale. Avoid the embarrassing round. Frontier. Disabled the ring doorbell. Every once in a while, there's a little confusion 'cause you're like say your wife. I'll come. I bowling ball hasn't arrived. I ordered it months ago. And it's like, oh, I must've been holding it. She was only grow up at the door Bill. You gotta set it down on the right? You know, will you please come into my door. What do people need to put on their dating online dating profile 'cause I always get it wrong? And it's my favorite thing. This is good. The the women need to be out of scale with the newspaper date one. What is it? The need to be next to one of the seven eleven. Men needs to stay next door the seven eleven and it went women need to be on a certified. I went Dana white in the picture holding a current USA today with the way seven eleven. Has the measuring right by the door and like a copy of their thanks statement. Let's. Right. Say Roger stone's tattoo. Nixon is a little disappointing because I've heard has a giant, right? It's giant. Got to hear you hear giant twenty five hundred times and never see the whole. The size of a saucer. It's not should be a transit. It was a transfer payments. Ho size of thinking, I'm sick. When guys come into the ring, and they have the wings on the. Yeah. Listener got giant giant. All right. Sorry. What's you could tell you this back? Lattes bring it home. We'll do it right now. I'm Gina grad. And that's the news. This is maga- country. Was the news with Gina grad. So you can go down curl the dot com and find out about ball. Brian Cy line off the road hard for free to be that's t B I TV dot com. Our party our tenth anniversary party the Peterson is looking at selling out. All right. So, but you can still go the car show will be there with Leno during the day. And I think some tickets to the movies well uppity. So come on out for that. 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Let me tell you about Pete who loved hockey and always wanted to play in the NHL Pete played since he was three and begged his mom to let him stay on the ice by some nights. He even slept in his Hoppy skates. Pete practiced and practiced until one day when he was forty seven Pete realized he just wasn't that good. So he threw his skates in the trash. But then he heard how Geico proud partner of NHL good save money on car insurance. So he switched and saved a bunch. So it all worked out. Broadcast warned sports network prisons. Good sports, idol sports fans welcomed a new episode hearing Super Bowl fifty three. We're week of good sports Amazon here, Adam Corolla there. If you want to lock into some pro football talk, listen to the Dave damasec football program coming at you from Atlanta, Georgia this week a issue. Rams. It's against the twenty first century dynasty. I wonder if you have any thoughts on this. I was on the air with our mutual pow Matt money Smith, and in fact, you called in and it was a delightful unsurprisingly delightful conversation that you had by the way, I hope you've been sharing with the Adam Corolla show listeners your yogurt. Red alert five alarm alert. Well, I shall I shall do it now. I'll Recco head. Look there was an issue with yogurt years ago. Which is yogurt containers were too tall. They put the fruit at the bottom. You then have to bury the whole spoon in it takes stir it up, no one yogurt up your spoon now on your fingers. And I would argue that if you took a yogurt container like from our childhood and took a tablespoon and put it next to it. It would go three quarters of the way up that thing and another worse than yogurt on the spoon handle. So then I invented fruit in the middle Kimmel quickly announced that that would never work and this I can I can attest as an eyewitness one of the great battles between Kim on Corolla of all time all time lot of arguing about fruit in the middle. And how it wasn't wouldn't work because all the fruit would sink to the bottom of challenge is poison. No, the claims are smoked that was another great out of Allah. Gatien's, and then you Endo insults. No. Because I I remember I remember you saying like Shaq. Why don't they put the fruit on the top? And I was like, yeah. That makes middle but at and Jimmy then Wade in like, what are you guys talking? The fruit is put on the top. And then it sinks to the bottom. Like if you put raspberry, Kat, whatever that is the or whatever PO PO, right? If you put that on the top it would and it ran to the bottom, it would turn the white yogurt pink. It would stain it. And I know well now you sound like me circa two thousand and one big argument. Anyway, patch it up we moved. We moved on any worse for yogurt or so we thought so now I realized that the new shape of yogurt is not that deep trough can we used to get them in? But now it's too short punk box. I it's a shorty. It's there they shrunk. They drop them down. On an inch and a half two inches, and they broaden them, right? Which is fine. But when I finished a yogurt, and then you set it down with the spoon in it. It falls over because the spoon it's not high enough the walls not high enough. Obviously if you have anything of any heft at all, you could take it and bounce on your hands up and down. But when it gets at that forty five degree angle at tips the whole yogurt thing over so we need to come up with a new yogurt container. That is or we need to get JPL or Nassar something hard at worker defense contractor. Going on lighter. Titanium spoon. That might get it done right either. The spoons are going to be lighter or we gotta get taller wall on the yoga yogurt containers. And those who are going to tell me will use a plastic spoon. Rotten hal. I'm not using a plastic spoon at home. Not in my home. Not in front of my children. Daddy, dearest. I told you about the plastics dry taking it the sunny over the. Let's let's get up. Let's get some height going on those things. And also, here's another thing. I'm looking for us. Well, runs the bottom. Thanks, no sense. Why would they do that? I would that one of the properties that you imagine exist with the fruit would just pass through the white dense yogurt. It would just reach the bottom magically that was the argument right bigger arguments up pretending like you thought of this before now. That was the best argument. That was a great argument. My next thing is this. I would like yogurt. More clearly labeled. I feel like every time I pull that foil Hyman off the top of the yogurt. I'm just spinning roulette wheel. I have no idea if it's gotta be pre max fruit at the bottom or white like all all white yogurt with the fruit at the bottom or some color in it with fruit at the bottom or all color and over the bomb. I know I could get a jeweler's Loup out and examine what's on the side of the thing. But I opened yogurt. It's a newborn when I opened that. I have no idea what what a ways to say. See the joy that that might bring the little excitement little label on there. All right where we talking about. I wanna tell you about this Super Bowl because we, you know, this is the intersection the greatest not allowed to eat yogurt. That's a good conversation to about what price you are actually willing to pay, you know, like the sex cymbal guys of the world. Like Matt Damon? I've read a quote by him saying like, you think it would be great to be this. But it kinda sucks because you just constantly have to deprive yourself to stay in sex symbol like state. Would you be willing to do brat is always complaining that it's like I miss beer, like once they have some beers. You know, he's gotta do galaxies of the universe. Smart seven in it, the Speedo, you know, and it's like I can't have any peers like you're actually just regular guy. Who drives a forklift is probably happier at night because he can crack a couple of cold ones. What it actually there's a legitimate point in there? And it's something to do with you. What you always talk about. You just can't replace the toil required to do things. Everybody wants to do things, but they just want to get to the finish line. They would like to be placed like three steps from the finish line. Are you really willing to do with Tom Brady's would you really live that life for more than three weeks? Would you do that in perpetuity for a decade because if you will then maybe good things happen for you? But that life would suck. Well, I'll tell you what my exercise routine would consist of. Yeah. Bang in the gutter. Punch Vegas love making rice daily. Oh, man. When you saw me two months later, you'd be like what happened at today. UPS cargo plane go down, and you had to survive on an island. I'd be like now just eating Himalayan see stall Pang just hell bunch and and not cook. And with olive oil make sense. But I wanna know wait a minute Dylan. I want you to investigate Tom Brady's died. A little more like breakfast, lunch and dinner. Let's see we could possibly stay on this, by the way. Chris pratt. Just got done doing like. Or jazz has a Kaiser something from the Jope from the Bible's diet. He literally like unleavened bread. And you know, bitter herbs and roasted eggs or something did weird twenty one day from the from the bible diet. Sounds horrific kind of life is that these are the people aspire to be like, I wouldn't want this spiritual, man. All right. All right. Good for him. Hey, I wanna play this. You know, we went as I mentioned earlier in the week in many times before because so many stories came out of that magical trip to New Orleans decade and a half ago with Kimmel, Sal and baby doll Dixon and everybody else. But you were there, and you were a ram supporter but to be fair. It was the Saint Louis Rams in me and salad giving you a lot of junk over the years be about leaving at halftime because you didn't like your seat and whatever. But but like I say it was Saint Louis team at that point the last time the LA Rams were actually in the Super Bowl. It was nineteen seventy nine may it was January of nineteen eighty two weeks after the Rams had in the all time title game defeated the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, do you. Remember that game as yeah. Dave. Frank corral fat Frank corral, kicked three field goals to provide the winning margin of nine nothing in the the worst championship game ever and waiting for the who the survivor that was the mighty Pittsburgh Steelers dynasty. And then the Rams almost beat the Steelers two. It seemed impossible with Vince fair Kamo at quarterback. It was crazy. It really was weird. And it was it was a ball game. And it was surprising because at the half the Rams led and at the end of three quarters the Rams led. And the only thing that spared. The Steelers the humiliation of losing or having their dynasty with the wheels coming off in its in its last race pulled it out because of the heroics of of Terry Bradshaw in front of the Rams, basically the home crowd at the Rose Bowl. A lot of great storylines a lot of excitement electric city and the -joyed except with the legendary play by play man. Pat, Summerall one of the great plays in Super Bowl history. Terry Bradshaw throws a seventy three. Yard bombed the John stallworth listened to how excited Pat Summerall was in describing that action. That's it. I did a basket catch. The two Rams defenders one. Probably rod Perry came from one direction. Pat can't remember came from the other direction, Pat Thomas or Nolan Cromwell, but it was probably Pat Thomas and rod Perry. And it was like it was just crazy play where stalwart just broke straight up the field. One Rams guy from the right and one Rams guy from the left are both coming to like almost create a point of an arrow from the ballot a pair mid like at the bottom of the pyramid. They're all going and install worth is like running straight up the pyramid. And these two guys are coming from the corners of the pyramid. And they all arrive at the same time. But Pat Thomas and rod Perry were notorious Tory Asli under size DB's, even by those standards like five eight five nine they both left. They didn't miss time. There leap they. Both went up at the same time. And they both just crossed at the same time. And you can watch it ten times. You can't tell whether touches his finger barely skims his fingers millimeter from his finger and stalwart one. You know, he's the Taylor of the rice in Taylor, and and Lynn Swann stalwart right team. It's just just in the most the most clutch situation ever just takes it in over catches it in stride runs it in jest over the fingertips of the db Summerall that's down steel, and they both, you know, they wanna tackle them on the twenty eight or something or the thirty one or whatever was but they both had a good play on the ball. Like, they weren't playing him. They the defense was playing pretty good. The Steelers offense wasn't exactly lighting up the scoreboard. If one of them had gone for the tackle. And the other had gone for the ball. You know, they may have stopped. I don't know where he gathered it in on the twenty eight. Or the twenty five or thirty or get it was closer to the twenty three or four or something like that that could have held them to a field goal or something. But they both went for the ball. They just crossed. And I remember watching that in the tenth grade going God damn it, just a millimeter millimeter. Now, they're fat coach from football history. Ray mala Vasie Ray mala vase, but he had awesome skin. All right. Let me tell you about the mad men break free from the status quo. This year surprise someone special where the different kind of flower, candy or chocolate from med men premium dispensaries? Yeah, man, they may even have a love potion or two for you and your Honey bunny after all red is the color of passion, desire and madman. Or if you're single treat yourself to day or night out with one of men's fifteen locations to find one near you let their team including. In-house pharmacists at medical stores. Help you find the gift you've always wanted. So if you've got the gal go to madman if you're going single this year, go to madman at madman dot com to find the store near shoe at madman dot com. Find one of the fifteen locations that's nearest you at men dot com. Right, gary. 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Doc starts right now. Work in our barbershop. As it turns out. Hello, everybody wanting to movie talk. I'm Mark L is way over there is Jeff Snyder of the Yukon, this is John Rocca of Alaska. The boys are really cold here today. I do not I'm usually very sensitive to cold. I run hot. I guess you guys seem very bundled up today. Yeah. Look you've been hanging out in the sunny LA playing basketball telling jokes on the sidewalks for money, we've been slaving away in this cold concrete environment. And you know, it's just it's very cold today through the skylight window. I was going to bring a scarf today. But I didn't wanna look even more like a pretentious. Say you look you can pull up his scar very very accurately. Well, I don't know what these been doing all day. But I know that the gang over it collided dot com. I'm working hard. They just updated their website with this story about Candyman. That's right. We're kicking up. We'd candyman. According to reports, Jordan Peele is going to be back in that produce Oriole chair helping a hell of a new Candyman movie. That's remember candy man starring Tony Todd. And there are three of them from nineteen ninety two to nineteen ninety nine Bs were a big factor in that. And now, we're getting a new Candyman film that really sure if it's going to be a direct seek or it's going to be a spiritual successor to the original trilogy. But you here candy, man. It's very exciting because they already have a director on board NIA Dacosta her feature film. Little woods did very well at Tribeca thing. You want awards Tribeca? She's going to be directing it like we said Jordan Peele and his producing partner win Rosenfield are going to helm this thing from the producer's chair when you look at this Jordan Peele had a quote saying that alongside the original night of the living dead candy. Man was an integral part of him growing up and getting ingratiated into har- in large part because Tony Todd is African American who is the central role in those films. And now, we don't know Tony Todd is going to be back. But you imagine Tony tied would come back at some point. What's look at the landscape of our reboots that we've seen recently. I'm not looking at you nightmare, elm street would Jackie Earle. Hey, I'm looking more recent like this year. I'm looking at Halloween crushed it. They did a reboot. Right. I'm even looking at the news that LeBron James may be producing a new Friday, the thirteenth movie just started as it seem to you. That all of a sudden, we have these properties you can look back to the original movies and say, they don't really hold up. But they have good Lord. They have good mythology. And you think Candyman is going to be one of those that hits at the box office. I actually I do I can't even has great mythology. I love this horror movie growing up because my dad is the Candyman he would walk around on the back from all of his clothes. Sorry say that again, my dad was in the candy business. Oh. Okay. I didn't. I had no idea. What you're saying? Yeah. About your dad was heavily influenced by the movie. Yeah. Like, my our home was meticulously. Furnished. But then there was this huge Candyman poster in the middle of all this. Nice stuff. Your dad was a candidate. Like, he's he did he have a candy shop. Yeah. What is on? I did you know, I didn't. Sidetrack Perry has the candy stuff. And you have the your background Kerry. Senators the Candyman anyway, the point is I grew up loving this movie. It's an artistic horror movie like Philip glass. Score is fantastic. Cinematography scrape Virginia Madsen isn't above average actress for a horror movie like this. And there's there's great backstory with can't even being a slave and the whole history of the cabrini-green housing project. So I kind of love when I'm seeing out of this announcement here on collider with a new one's going to take place in the same neighborhood. Where cabrini-green was that's now gentrified? Yes. So if you you take everything into stock here Roca, you wouldn't get Candyman. Did it have the effect on you as somebody whose father was not in the candy business? My dad was not in the candy business. And if this is not a bio-pic of Michael candy, then I'm really a frustrated out soulmate. Candy sports fans being all basketball fans that we all had to make that reference. But no, but I know a lot of people love this is one of those ones that kinda slid out from the nineties that people kind of gravitated to and enjoyed on a guilty pleasure level. But then also because of the interesting history of this horror film with this character slavery, and what have you? So now, you have someone like Jordan just showed us with producing black klansman what it can do in the producer's chair kind of revitalizing a degree Spike Lee as a film director and having a reteaching up with producing partner here. And then having Nita cost to coming in. She with working with Tessa Thompson on little woods, great reputation. This makes sense get a black film or black female, film, director tackle horror subject. This is going to have probably a darker bent to it. I'm sure there'll be more of the slavery angle. That's even further from an American perspective. What that's like. So there's a lot of this excites me overall and Jordan won me over obviously with what did with get out, which was a which was a great horror bet also. Also told a racial story. But also told a deeper story going on and still was supremely entertaining without being overwhelming or two political. So he's able to walk that line. So eloquently did the same thing black klansman again as a producer. So I look forward to what he can do with this case. What do they do with casting on this muck? Do they bring back Tony types? It doesn't sound like they are well have to bring back to an and taught in some form. Because again, this is not a it's being told is not a direct sequel than either can't even movie. So it may we'll sequel taking up where some of them have thou- left up and not necessarily following the plot winds of the movie, so you could have multiple candy, man. You can have candy people get up, Tony Taty, airing this story. So this is you take the candy people reference seriously being in the candy business. I grew up in Williamsburg Virginia they had with candy shop. I don't know if it was the first candy shop in the United States, but oh man really good stuff there. Anyway, I'm done going. No. I think that Tony Todd should factor into this. Somehow, I think you're at least going to hear his iconic voice, if nothing I think they have to recast. I mean, you have to distinguish yourself from what came before you if it was just Candyman that one thing, but there's a whole franchise whole direct to video franchise that I think you need to you need to clean slate here. Right. I could see casting Tony Todd as the Candyman or candy woman's grandfather. Something like a flashback hands candy people is multiple candy personnel is Keegan Michael key in play here. No, he's whole skinny nut main herring. But I think he's I think he can play a serious role like this. But I think that we think of that initially because of key and Peele. I wouldn't Cass it out. Right. But I also wouldn't cast. Our at the notion of having Tony Todd comeback to reprise this, but you want to take this in a different direction. So maybe that direction is the way they're looking at this where it's not just one centralized villain or story that we're looking at where it's it's group that you have to run over this is eight the bathroom thing. This is where you're in the bathroom mirror, and you're saying his name five times, he doesn't have to be the same person each time pops up behind you. I wonder if the B's will still be part of it like the bees integral to Candyman out them. Beazer as icon as as you said before with Halloween. Lebron developing Friday the thirteenth MGM itself is bringing back child's play. Yeah. So so we're getting we're resurrecting all like sort of eighty slashers and whatnot. It's only a matter of time before Freddie comes back to and let's not forget pet cemetery at paramount. That's right. Yeah. Pet cemetery. It's it's one of those ones that I thought that cemetery. Okay. It's ripe for remake with child's play. I just you gotta show me some Aotearoa before you get excited about this. But this Candyman news, I'm on board right away. You give me Jordan Peele. You give me NIA consta-. I'm thinking this is going to be a slam dunk. I'd like to hear Tony tons name. I don't have to but excited to see what we have. Well, this is not the only sequel side spinoff news to report today. Spiderman into the spider verse the movie comes out a summer fourteenth in wide release thirty getting some pretty good reviews, including from the guy talking right now, and we already have a sequel green lit, and that's not all we also had a spin off Greenland. So the spinoff would feature the. The female Centric superheroes in the universe of Spiderman spider Gwen amongst others. And then you're also going to have a direct sequel to Spiderman into the spider versus going to be directed. By Joaquin does Santa's he's going to do the direct sequel. He also did avatar the last heir bender. Don't worry the animated one not the show on movie, and then Lauren Montgomery who's also done Batman year. One is going to be helming the century Spiderman into the spider verse off story. This is great news as somebody who has seen Spiderman into the spider verse. Because I think it's a fantastic it just felt free and loose and wild and fund gives. You don't have all these rules. I never felt the handcuffs of the more. So than I did watching this movie because this film, does whatever the hell it wants with the war with them without Spiderman and I loved that. So I am definitely signing up to see more films in this universe. This film that we're talking about one of my favorites of the year. So I'm looking forward to the direct sequel. I'm looking forward to spin offs. I want more more and more. When it comes to the spider verse, John. Rogan? How does this news hit you have Halloween? It gets me so excited to going tonight to see the screening myself. I'm not at that level of Mark Ellis that I get even further even earlier screenings of films. So I'm excited to be going insane aquaman already. Well dory. He's he's the screenings wet Mary Poppins. Yeah. But this is something that I'm excited about I loved it got green lit. It tells you the confidence they have in the movie, I don't know what it's tracking. But it must be tracking a good number for an animated superhero film. Those are not since what mask of the phantasm has really been this much hoopla for an animated superhero film. So this gives me a lot of hope for what I'm going to see tonight. And I love the idea that already ready to spend it off with spider Gwen who I really liked as one of the newer characters in the books universe. I've enjoyed her coming on to the scene in love seeing people dressed up as her cost playing the numerous Comecon. So to me this tells you there's excitement around this idea. So now, what is this going to lead to right because they're not necessarily tied once said, it's free flowing says not unless they're tied to a universe. These can be individual stories told in this way. And and I think they've picked two really good people to direct these films. If if she closes or deal, there might have Montgomery closes her deal there. These are two good people. They've chosen to take this. To the next step. So I'm excited about it. Absolutely. Yeah. And also the sense of humor factored heavily with my enjoyment of spider verse the fact that it could wink and now with the audience still tell a meaningful deep dramatic story. Just Neider is it is it going to be the trend going forward to me we've seen this sometimes with movies having a great opening weekend. And then getting the green light. Hey, we're making a sequel. This is what we're still two weeks out. And we're already getting sequels and spinoffs is this too much fast too soon for you know, if only because Sony proved us wrong before I'll ready, I think we all sort of had the knives out for venom and people were even even if it's even if they liked it. And they're like, I don't know how well this is going to perform eight hundred and twenty two million worldwide that is a huge huge figure. No one even me in this office was talking about a figure that high. So I think they're they're bullish on the prospects of these Spiderman universe outside of of actual Spiderman movies, I don't think they necessarily need. Peter Parker this movie. H I reported that it was tracking between twenty and thirty five million with Sony coming in and around thirty million that is not like another like huge animated movies that we see whether it's minions or just picking me with those movies open to seventy million or more sundering like that. And I'm a little surprised this figure isn't higher. But it is it is a decent figuring. I think that the animation style it seems more intricate, but I understand it to be a little bit cheaper than someone like the Pixar and things like that. So I think it's going to do really well for them. I think it's smart to get to start development early on a sequel spinoff. Yeah. As far as quality goes, you maybe as far as budget. You can tell this animation is not to the level of Pixar din by them at all actually found this animation very easy on the eyes. So it's cheaper to make. We get more of these movies. I'm all for Roco. And you look at this Jeff makes a interesting point about that where it's tracking. But superhero animated films are such a niche for me the fact that it's tracking at twenty eight to thirty five. It is a positive these other animated films. Those are specifically four children or certain, you know, or the child inside of all of us. They had the Disney brand on something new new story different this kind of things distinctly superhero. And it's ironic because in this in the animated side of things very much limited audience when it comes to animations, but on the live action side of things obviously way bigger audiences for superhero films that are live action. So to me this bodes well. I mean, most of these are like ten twelve million if there ever released in the theaters top, did you think of this will start a trend though, like into the way that we've seen Bamiyan your one and all these other DC movies, mostly go straight to VOD platforms that kind of thing are they going to start saying wait, there's a lot of money to be made in theatrical. I we're going to start seeing marvel animated movies that kind of thing. I think I think. Yes. I absolutely. And the reason I say this people keep talking about superhero fatigue. Here's another avenue that they're opening look at this superior of that does not exist. People want this material that want to enjoy this. They want to go back to being. Readings complex again and enjoying these things. So yes, here's another venue where they can do that in animated wise. I still contend that the dark Knight returns animated adaptation should have been released in the theater. It is an incredible cinematic fantastically cinematic piece of animation that should have been seen on the big screen, and it's a crime that it only went straight to DVD. So I hope this opens the doors even more for more of these Klay quality type of animated approaching it. Spain has a great date. There's no other animated movies coming out over Christmas. There's plenty of family fair, obviously with Mary Poppins and Bumblebee alkyl, man. But I think that, you know, without another big animated movie in the marketplace spider-man's going to have some legs all the way into January actually love to see spider versus say, you know, what screw opening December seven because there's nothing that we can either. So you could rule the box office for two weeks once and bumble bee get into play plus Mary Poppins returns opening Wednesday, December nineteenth I think that that's going to take a lot of comic book or slices far is going to be intrigued about that too. Let me postulate. This though is the. The biggest threat to movies like into the spider's performing well at the box office in movie theaters, possibly themselves because you mentioned the MC you being able to do animated movies like this. I think studios might say, hey, this is a perfect property and products at place directly onto our new streaming service. So maybe that's why you're not gonna see it in theaters. Yeah. That's a good point. Marc. And also, you look at Spiderman Spiderman transcends all Spiderman is like Batman. He transcends. All you can do multiple media's with Spiderman and be successful added. You can't you might not necessarily be able to do that with iron man or doctor strange or these other characters in the because you've already seen them live action in a way that just kind of makes you think of them. I this way Spiderman even going back to the sixties and seventies. There was Spiderman animated cartoon. So it's always had a foot in animation for multiple decades. So that's a unique situation. Now you start opening the door to streaming services. This is where you can have higher quality animation. Appearing on these services. We're already seeing films like Roma. July twenty two that like all these films that are higher incident Matic films showing up on Netflix. So nothing's the new Coen brothers. So now streaming services just because it's honesty me service. Doesn't mean it's not high quality animation for me, the most important interesting and important thing about this Nelson was the female Centric spin on because that's where you're seeing DC and marvel both go I mean, Marvel's doing black widow. It has a few female Centric properties in the works. Obviously with captain marvel coming out soon wonder DC's doing the same thing focusing on wonder woman focusing on Harley Quinn and doing the birds of prey movie that kind of stuff so I think that Sony is essentially following that trend getting on that bandwagon. And it's a smart move. It's a great move. I mean, you walk into a comic book shop these days, you see so many different properties in the world of spider into see a universe. That can take all of those combined them have a laugh at the fact that they're combining them and not have to adhere to the normal rules of a cinematic universe. I think it's welcome. I love the I even appreciate the DC you I'm the guy that like Justice league. But when you see. Something that is so free wheeling and can weaken not at all the things that have come before the might come after it during it. It's a whole lot of funding. And so I recommend Spiderman into the spot, and they have hailee Steinfeld is Gwen Stacy too. Right. Right. As spider going. Exactly, that's who they're talking about making the spin off a billion around a lot of good vocal tone that movie. So again wants December fourteenth rolls around. That's what you wanna spend your theater dollar on in my humble opinion. Well, do you want to spend your dollars on Artemis fowl? Just got a trailer. Kenneth Bronx film. It's based on Joan co Fers story about a kid who's got to go in search of his missing fathers at Janus kit gonna have a Butler help him out. And you gotta go look for his daddy. Sounds like wrinkle in time. There's also world affairs that he gets invested into was fine. You know, I think I've softened my stance on movies that I may not care about from Disney that are live action because of the nutcracker and the four rounds like I did not want to see that movie at all found myself, enjoying it. I'm seeing Mary Poppins returns tonight probably going to like it. So how can I possibly cast doubt on Artemis foul? I believe in Kenneth Brana. I like the cast just Snyder. Am I crazy here? This movie looks terrible. Okay. It looks atrocious. Horrible. Terrible. I mean, what are they selling here? They're selling world building sailing, another young male protagonist the kid sorry. It looks looks bland he lives. Boy looks like this looks like boy and black. Looks like he's the only thing about it. I radio heads my favorite band. Do. Why are they selling this movie with Radiohead behind Radiohead fan? I am I sold out. I feel like we could have gotten a cooler movie trailer. In this one. I mean, non-zoonotic a nosy. There's a lot of him in the trailer not enough of some of the Josh Gad Judi Dench, whoever else in this thing. You know, the bigger stars. I just I don't know. This is going to be like the nutcracker all over again. We're Disney's just kicking itself. I'd I'd actually be surprised. I wouldn't be surprised if this debuted on the Disney streaming start. I would agree with you from that standpoint. Because regardless of what I might have thought about the nutcracker in the four rooms, I know Disney's thrilled with a performance of the movie, and they're going to be reticent to sink that much money into another live action property that doesn't have a proven fan base. This is based on a why novel sold very well. Lot of people read it. Okay. Is it going to the Jordan, compass elyssa the golden golden compass was an issue of execution? Not an issue of fandom, right? I look artists Powell has used to work in manage bookstores way back when and Artemis foul was still a title week carried and people love. So to me. This is exciting to hear that they're doing it into this move. I like here's the trip. Here's the deal with. With the trailer. Here's the problem starts out. It sounds like Ghalem it's really really close to them. That was very that's a bit confusing area. Yeah. It's a bit confusing. Eventually, this is the voice softens, and you get that. It's something else going on there. But it does start out sounding like sounded like Golic. Yes. I in brought I trust as well that a massive fan of him as a filmmaker really enjoyed what he did with the first door. So we know he can world Bill. That's not an issue and looking from the trailer. It looks like that's what's going to happen here. However that being said though, shots that kid trying to strut away with the shades on really didn't do anything for me and overall. But then again, I'm not what they wanted to theatre. It's the kids they wanted theater. It's a why a film. So does it appeal to those kids? I don't know like I like the look of it. It's like from the look like in twenty one thousand nine hundred and it has like this big ring rotating around it. It's supposed to give you that Lord of the rings field or something. It's just seems so ridiculous. Hong chow. That's the agent actress that we get a glimpse of I don't know what is going on. There where he just makes her younger. And then she floats like what is happening. Teaser trailer Butler arrow, I just know Roka sounds like a guy that still works at Walden books or borders. It's trying to sell you on buying the novel. This these are like why really enjoy their why books from another generation. Okay. Look at a wrinkle in time. Look at the giver. Meryl Streep in it like these are books that maybe we grew up reading. I don't think kids grow up reading them anymore. I think like Sony's developing the phantom tollbooth. This is money down the drain kids don't care, but it's about execution wrinkle in time was a terrible movie that's about execution. If they made a good version of a wrinkle in time, people go and see it. The stories are universal which is why they passed on from generation to generation. I don't know what the numbers are. So I can't like try to combat Jeff's point with facts in this way. Knowing like what the sales for these books are, but people are still talking about these books. So I imagine and it's not like criteria. Not syllabus syllabus get updated every year, you know, people are stuck with what they can teach in most schools. So this is I would be surprised if not teaching most of these books still wasn't sure where you're going with that way, just saying. Thought I was following. And then my mind momentarily drafted it was going to say next, and we'll get back to what they're teaching kids in school. And I lost Rocca there from it. I don't usually. I usually ask them to leave a trail breadcrumbs when he goes in in that time, you guys let us know. In the comments section. You're gonna go see Artemis fowl. And opens August ninth two thousand and nineteen where we're going to move onto two more stories. But before we get to that I want to remind you guys about our new show for your consideration. Oscar season is heating up as a matter of fact, we have a store that we're going to get just a second here about the national border review, and what their favorite movies and performances of the year are just not or what is the latest on f y c I know you're no stranger to those parts around the quarters this past week. We did the best documentary predictions. And we had Morgan Neville, the director of the Mr. Rogers documentary on and he doesn't just like he's not just there to promote his own movie. He actually gives us his thoughts on all the contenders all the other movies that he's going to be competing against. So I think it's a really good episode. And you know with Scott Manson and Perry number off the discussion is always spirited. The debate is always healthy. And and yet check out our best picture predictions, which we released right before thanksgiving and Rokos on thirty two shows total we count them thirty two. Okay. Just before we go for a little bit behind the curtain as the how we do things here on the show in particular with this table, if if everyone could make a concerted effort to just not bang the table squeak. Oh, yeah. Sounds like a basketball court in here. It sounds like a dolphin is slowly being suffocated. It sounds like there's a team of mice that are attacking my eardrums. I'm gonna of our podcast listeners can hear it. But I'm looking out for you guys. So I'm gonna call out not just the panels. But also of myself, let's try not to hit the table. I like it. And let's try to have a nice play conversation, which is what we're having so far just in a way that doesn't necessarily a dying porpoise and we move on to the natural border review. Speaking give porpoises another transition for that one order review is at it. Again. They usually release their best picture and their best actor actresses director before anybody else does they're one of the first in the game. Release what they thought about the movies that were in the year two thousand whatever this year two thousand eighteen and they're moving of the year is green book Greenville movie, starring Vigo Mortenson and Mahershala Ali also taking the prize for best actor, what's the prize me about this. Hey, you'll love green book. Good. I'm glad you enjoyed it. I did two best supporting actor goes to Sam Elliott from a star is born. Now, here's my question because I do some research not enough Mahar. Shelly was nominated for best lead. Or was he nominated for best supporting actor? I mean, he's not there's no nominations if it with the NBA he's going to be running supporting then he should be the over Sam Elliott who shows up in like, two and a half scenes agree in a star is born. What the hell are you thinking? You're a national. You're aboard you review things? All three of those words, make me think you should have given best supporting actor to Mahershala leap, Bradley Cooper, got best director. He's also stars born. But I wanna say the death. I think he's great. They bradley. Cooper did a great impression on in. The star was born. I just I don't know am I crazy Roca. No, I think you have a great you make a great point. And I'm not touching anything. You make a great point of what you're saying about my harshly. Zoe should have been named here in this situation. Yeah, it's quizzical to say the least. But maybe they're just trying to spread the wealth. Give a little bit stars born here and give a little bit too green book. But to me, listen as I see these things start to come out that we start talking about into the in November. Now almost out of November. I don't know if this was a strong year for movies, and it's starting to really dawn on me that we do not have a runaway strong powerful best picture rolling through. Yes. Some people were moved by stars born and just enough peop- just as many people founded to be schmaltzy and missing minutes and not as good people that green book. But now there's a pushback on green book coming down everything that you've liked has had a has had a push back against it. So maybe Nash. Border of you, by the way, hasn't chosen the best picture the mashed with the Oscars since two thousand eight so take it with a grain of salt that they chose green book make your own decision as you go see these films. But this is what I'm seeing. Now this year, I don't know necessarily. This was a very strong ear for films feature film studio films. Maybe the independent film seems fantastic. But the fighting general one hundred percent, right. I was going to say take. No, I think it is a good year for movies, but a bad year for the Oscars for awards movies. Because when I go make my best picture predictions. It's only four or five movies. I really think are deserving of a nomination. Like, we're talking about can you ever forgive me? And I man and widows and the favourite for best picture nominations. Like, no why. And it's because you need to fill out, you know, eight or nine movies, and there just aren't that many? So that's why those movies are probably going to get in. So it's more like the NFC east now than the back in the eighties. Whereas really competitive to get into class now, it's just like whoever feels like it. I should note that Regina king. Was the best supporting actress recipient from the national review for her work in if Bill streak at talking to deservedly. So as his lady Gaga for the best lead from a star is born. So clearly them favoring those two movies Gaca one that she was in Beth actress. I thought she was fantastic. I still preferred Bradley Cooper in that film. But I thought she did a great job. Even if some people think that she's kind of playing yourself green book, I love I think that's the right call. I think it's the best picture front runner. Even though there is a backlash, and there are plenty of stories coming out that are. That are sort of targeting it. I don't know. I kind of like what NBA did here. I got to say, what did you think of the top films list? I'm gonna give you the top films right of BUSTER Scruggs Black Panther. Can you ever? Forgive me eighth grade. I reformed it Bill street could talk Mary Poppins returns, a quiet place Roma and a star is born. So how many of those Roca do think would warrant best picture consideration? In a great year for moving. Let's run it down again say to get out of us or Scruggs. No Black Panther. Maybe can you ever? Forgive me. No eighth grade. Maybe I reformed. No, it feels streak at talk. Yes. Mary Poppins returns. No, quiet place. Yes. I like it. Okay. Yes. Yes. And I think a star is born the last big and green obviously it's going to be a top heavy award season. I think it's all going to be between Roma stars born in green book. I just think those three are going to win all the awards. Maybe you see Regina king or someone from the favorite supporting actress slot. But yeah. Yeah. I don't see the academy spreading the love this year. But don't you think it's fascinating because this is their reaction last year folding mom's like some kind of different but like last year, right where it was a big issue with the Academy Awards ratings ratings ratings too many small films being nominated there's even more small films that are in contention now for best picture because of this situation. That's not that you said this not necessarily. There's not a lot of good films coming out of the studio that you would necessarily put there in those nine eight eighty slots, I wouldn't sweat the ratings at all this year. I think it's going to be actually a good year between a star is born and Black Panther. And. If a quiet place gets that movie did very well at the bar, but to be able to cut to lady Gaga during your award show. I think we'll get a chunk of audience members that would not normally tune in. So yeah, I I don't think that they're being a handful of small movies in the race. I don't think that will really affect things from a ratings perspective being consideration. Because I do. Oh, my guy Cleese if you don't consider if Black Panthers on the fence, I would put personally I put in just below Black Panther. Okay. I think Infinity was a very tough achievement to get all those characters and in one movie and make a coherent story. But I think Black Panthers just the better film than anywhere that might be a spicy take. I'm not sure how people feel about those two movies, but I was more in black parent than it was on Infinity war. I don't know that the academy would be the same way. I just feel like the name of vendors Infinity war just it just doesn't seem like it leaves off the ballot is something that people who vote for the Oscars Nellie Mae might be in my top ten favorite. But I can't imagine it's gonna Craxi Oscars. We have to change we have to go with the times this idea of like, oh, it says infinitive like that's got to stop. You have to change with the times nominate avengers movie. Are you crazy? The last decade we have seen superhero movies consume our film medium. What are you talking about? How can they not be qualified to win awards to be nominated for awards? That's ridiculous to me. This is this isn't like, you know, I don't know whatever genre. That's popped up. That's the disappeared. This is legitimate. And this is here to stay. We were just talking about spiders two sections ago about how it can now open the door for more superhero films to come out on screen or be considered by win the Oscar for animated feature certainly possible. And there you go. So I'm trying to get at we we have to stop sitting in this place of. Oh, no. It's not a classic film of come on up. I'm not saying it because it's a comic movie, I'm saying it because it's just a bad move. Alfred God say a vendor bad, are you out of your mind, you probably like deadpool two no not as much as that much. I would've venerable movie it wouldn't buy deadpool tube. I bought Infinity war here currently on black Friday. But so I think Infinity war, and I think was Ellis. What you said is a great thing. The debate you can have between Black Panther and Phinney will is a good fun debate about which film was better. But I think both of them absolutely deserved to being consideration for best picture. No matter what Ethan Hawke says, no matter what he's in that. I report movie is you know, what more people saw that and teach form does not exist movie either. But both I think falls apart in the second half the end is terrible. But both of these films have something to say about our society, both Black Panther and Infinity ward line is Infinity words saying oh my God. I I think like fan. There has a straighter. Vendor's Infinity war. This is why love hosting the show Roka's passionate. Jeff. Broken not allowed on the show. Late last minute substitution. This is this touchdowns. Happy that neither one step into the game. Rocca you could be my Colt McCoy any day of the week. More story to get to. And I don't think it will cause quite as much controversy as the national board for if you gotta start it on and that would be the vanishing or just vanishing, it's vanishing. It's not care. Southern sandra. Bullock, and it is starring Gerard Butler. And the movie actually is really good. It's based on a true story of these three fellas show up to monitor a lighthouse, and then there's a disappearance, vanishing. If you will there's mysterious box that they find one and they open it up. There's untold riches inside people come looking for a whole lot of stuff. Look to be fair. I'm a fan of Gerard Butler. When he's in good movies. I didn't see hunter killer. Sometimes Gerard Butler doesn't make the best choices as an actor given his talents. This geo storm Rocca. This actually looks like a film that should stay in theaters for what listen I have a horrible love of jar Butler. It can't be denied. I've seen just about everything. He's released in the theater should he get nominated for vexing. Crazy including geo storm dented. These is fantastic. I got that on blue rabidly law. That's. Sec grill. You Denno thieves on Blu Ray? That's a good gritty film purchase. No. It was like seven hundred nine it was heat light. And I enjoyed the hell out of it. Like, I said I enjoy your Butler, but this one hundred killer as well. And enjoy the hell out of that. But you for what it is. Right. I'm not trying to put Oscar nominations, just fun. But this looks vanturi interesting. I'm a massive fan of Peter Mullen as well such a good actor in the work. He's done overseas. Every once in a while his films come over to this country. You can catch them now more. So a lot of his UK work is really fantastic. And so to see him in a film like this getting his name mentioned alongside draw Butler excites me this looks like a good thriller. Scary thriller and draw Butler Luke's normally would play the Peter Mullen part. It's nice to see him playing the conflicted guy wondering if he's going to take that money or not what it's gonna cost and whatever. So if I'm judging. Trailer. This looks interesting to me, I'm damn well going to go see this thing. Just not right. I dare ask if the squeaky dolphin agrees with John Rocca. I was one who fought to get the vanishing disgust here on movie talk. I put it in the slang thread. I thought it looks really good. I don't think this is movie was on anybody's radar for yesterday. I saw the trailer and was really impressed. I think this is the kind of movie that Jerry Butler needs to do he needs to because I mean, he's getting older. You can't just keep saving the world and kicking ass for the rest of his career. He's gonna do interesting character based dramas like this. I love movies like this where you know, like shallow grave, Danny Boyle's first film, which was a classic. If you guys haven't seen that shallow grave. But like where you take or simple plan with Bill Paxton and believe that where you just take a bunch of money and let it tear apart three people. And. Yeah, this this looks really interesting to me, I anything with like lighthouse keepers and Romo remote island. That's awesome. Peterman's just he's such a bad ass. I need to finish watching Ozarks. And this structure, crystal Christopher nylon. This is a guy who did the first. Season of the killing. Nobody loved you did multiple episodes episodes of the killing and also taboo, the Tom horny series that I thoroughly enjoy he directed for episodes of that. So this ability to do dark thriller with with the kind of where's it gonna go type vibe to it certainly is in this gentleman's with how so I look forward to this is this is Sabban films pickup. Get is. I like their acquisitions executives. They have good taste. You know, they picked up a shock collar or two ago. They find some interesting diamonds in the rough. So I'm willing to to see what they've gotten store for us here. Although that title is very unfortunate. You're right, Mark. You can't you can't take a title of the classic movie like vanishing, what classic movie the original the vanishing vanishing before. Yeah. Which the vanishing is the English title of it. But yeah. But yet you original vanishing, which is classic. Not that damn Jeff bridges bullshit. The original. That's a guilty pleasure. Right. But the original is a classic. And you can't take the title. You could read subtitles. It's fantastic. All right. Good passionate debate. Here. 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One Twitter question. And then we're. Outta here. Christo Kuopio gets the honor today, and he's asking in honor of our discussion about the Oscars natural order review for best movie. What is the worst best picture winner at the Oscars? According to the fine folks here on the panel all time worst movie to win best picture. Oh, no. No. No. You go first. Oh, this is too golfers giving each other the honor. I saw that Phil. And tiger thing that was boring. I didn't get a chance to watch it. I'm loss, but the twenty four seven was boring. I'm going to stop it. I don't know what I'm going to put here, you don't put crush, no cry. I love crash. I'm crashes number. He's lines duty then on the internet. How can they be possible? Yeah. You like green book? I don't know. People say the artists guess, I guess the I see a lot of people online saying Chicago, they thought no. I'm saying some people say dances with wolves crashes way up there. How green was my valley? Oh 'cause that'll be beat out since. Yeah. And then Shakespeare in love is another one beating out saving private Ryan. Then you on that. That's their comparing it to the movie that beat right? Yeah. Shouldn't have beaten saving private Ryan. But is it the worst best picture winner in The English Patient win best picture? Yes. I've never seen heard good things about I'm not gonna judge English Patient. I moves I've actually seen that. I didn't think warranted. Best picture. I usually I like Shakespeare in love was fine. Chicago never seen. Yeah. The artists around the world in eighty days. That's probably the worst one. If you wanna go way back, that's generally, regarded as I think the worst. That's terrible. Terrible movie. Shouldn't have won a lot of people bash Titanic. That's that's. Achievement alone. That film deserves the best picture Oscar that year and don't don't come at me with that. Shakespeare in love stuff Shakespeare, lows a fantastic film, independent movement Miramax that time maybe Paltrow's best performance. Joseph fines who only now just coming back with Handmaid's tale gave one of the best performances of Shakespeare ever saving private Ryan that thirty minutes. Do we like the king's speech? I loved the king speed what about moonlight because I didn't love moonlight. Wow. No. I think moonlight deserved it over while. I would have been fine with either one winning. And as it turns out, the kind of did. So I would say moonlight deserved that tiebreaker. But can you what's your biggest highway robbery situation in terms of the Oscars? Because really that's where the conversation goes is Shakespeare in love, maybe a fine movie. But do you think that it robbed saving private Ryan? I think it did I although I like Shakespeare in love, you know, a lot of people saying that LA confidential shoot of beat Titanic dances with wolves beating goodfellas. I think that's the one that I come back to all of them because I don't think dances with wolves holds up as powerfully as goodfellas dust people still quote goodfellas influenced him to get into film or discover film or become filmmakers. No one's saying that about dances with wolves. And that matters. I'm sorry that matters. And so to me that that is the biggest one of them, all and then raging bull. Hooded raging bull lose to ordinary people. Ordinary people. No one's quoting ordinary people's influencing the get into film. It's raging bull. Right. Scorsese black and white nineteen eighty two. Boxing film. Maybe consider the greatest sports film ever made. That's that's a that's a hell of a thing. I'm really going back to moonlight. I think Manchester by the sea was a staggering masterpiece that came out that your emotional for. Sure does really so around the world in eighty days the best picture winner. Do you know what movie at beat the ten commandments Charlton Heston, let my people go part of the Red Sea and giant could not compete with be giant hot air balloon? Well, I actually I like the king's speech winning. And I think it should have won over the social network on a show of hot takes. I don't know if that's the hottest one king speech. Just the way that a portrays the the way that you approach public speaking. And how frightening it can be for people when they show that opening scene of him getting in front of the microphone that huge microphone back in the in that audience, just dissuading just dunk pleading to be inspired powerful stuff. King speech. I'm on board with you just Neider John Rocca. Closing remark Gandhi. E T and the verdict and Tootsie that's not that's fine. With me God, he's a fantastic film and still and you should go back and watch and green. You haven't flying. Does these funds these AT? It was he a botanist was the about NIST slash spy. 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