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Fruits of the Universal Christ

Another Name For Every Thing with Richard Rohr

1:03:52 hr | 1 year ago

Fruits of the Universal Christ

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About how do we live into that an between action and contemplation from a place of values universal? Christ how did this episode strike you a nice way to wrap up and recap a lot of the themes that have been running through the entire season from Holding things intention like our experienced tradition with scriptures holding the tension between Deep Time and urgency holding the tension between Grace and works action and contemplation. And that seems to be so much. The theme of what contemplation brings us to. Is that meeting point like that surface. Where were to not surface? It's that point where two surfaces meet in a way on substances or energies meat. And I really appreciate that. Richard didn't try to shy away from that tension but really brought us into the fact that this is this is the meeting point it's in it's in the embodiment of that tension. It's in the acting from that tension. It's from seeing from that tension that new creativity can arise and that we can hopefully live into these ideas of the universal Christ more fully. Yeah Philip edge of what's next. How is this Christmas? She could continue to emerge We talked about the Institutional Church then also alternative community as we tried to risk the different ways where we can embody your Christ in our context and time here now because it is. You know that path of a knowing. We seem to beyond that. We're trying to figure out. How do we live in community and do this but also do our own personal work and I think anything concrete in the sense of like and here's step two of Eight? It's just again. We that sense of we have to live into this. We have to risk are. Are you know making mistakes and experimentation and I found that so rich? Yeah I mean it's funny how much our human nature wants to just land on. It's gotta be this or it needs to be that or you know the future for the CAC is GonNa look like this and to be a contemporary of in the world is this and ABC. Like you said a very linear progression or stepped approach but it's not it's messy. It's complex. Were all in this together. And we're figuring it out together and it's from that ground that the universal Christ begins to manifest uniquely in our time. I'm trying to think of that. There's a there's a quote that I like to Do they said Yeah. Pol It was it was you. You're so full of wisdom. I just write down everything you say. Hopefully it's not awkward but no it was. It was Thomas Martin. He said something about fidelity to tradition is not the renunciation of all new initiative. He said if anything fidelity to tradition is is the embrace of creativity he says monasticism is is nothing if not creative and I felt Richard inviting us into that that the fruits of the Universal Christ are born uniquely in our time through us so we can relax our codependency on the tradition and insofar as I mean like Sunday church or we can relax our codependency on our wisdom teachers because we can learn how to trust that Christ is manifesting through US individually and as a community as well and that. It's going to be different. It's going to be different than the way it was before. It's a relaxing willingness. We've been talking about I do too I do too. Because it's so there's a freedom that reminds me of that of the spirit blows where it will and can. I be willing to to harness that energy and follow it Deeper and deeper into this universal Christ mystery though with that. We hope that you'll enjoy this conversation on the fruits of the Universal Christ. The end of season three of another name for everything. Well this has been an amazing journey. Here as we've it has a different Lens on a lot of ways and I appreciate the way that we started with values as a way to lay that foundation of what are these values that arise out of the crisis. In how do they help us live into the and between action and contemplation? So Richard. How does that land with you? That and is that holding space between action and contemplation and kind of that. Centering pivot point. That doesn't allow one to take flight or the other. The end kind of seems to be the ground where the Universal Christ lives. Can you speak to that and between an action contemplation in light of the versa? Christ I'll try. It's the classic classic dilemma. That doesn't need to be a dilemma. But when we start on the journey it is that's why the classic Hindu Texts Bugaboo Guitar is on the same thing whenever you enter into God. Talk Spiritual Talk. Any attempt is going to be limiting. It's always bigger than that more than that. And that's why people like pseudo diabetes Onis yes and the cloud of unknowing said every affirmation you make about God and you has to be followed birth. That's not true. It's more than that. I'm just copying them so say with action and contemplation here. The center is now thirty. Two years old I thought it had some good definitions down in the early period of the center and I hope they're still okay. I don't know what they were now but I usually find myself saying it at a new way another way. That sounds equally true. And you you both know that. My my usual statement is and is the important word the the allowing to to regulate correct balance an increase. One another to be able to act as if you're acting from your own depths in your own center and to live in your own center holding the suffering of the world so you know they used to say lexa Ronnie US LEX credential forgive my Latin. But you've heard it in books. I'm sure they're the law of praying as the law of believing and I think we we Revealed are real way of believing when so often we prayed out of one or the other of those modes either prayed for God to change the world too much concern with agency and action and make it happen are praying in a rather pious internal way to use the phrase that. I'm afraid all Christians who use them. I know it sincere to deepen my personal relationship with Jesus and it seems to never get beyond that forty years later. I'm doing retreat to deepen my personal relationship with Jesus and I know that said sincerely. But they've never jumped the bridge. Walk the bridge between the two. So that's why we named the center that we've been trying for thirty two years to unravel the values the virtues that would necessitate. We've been talking about some of this week but it ends up amounting to sort of curriculum for spirituality. How do you drive the chariot without driving the Cherry? How do you know that the wild ass can get you there? But you can't get there without the wild ABS- it's it's paradoxical at the beginning and I think if we allow ourselves to be placed in that kind of paradox. We'll come up with with something other than glib answers. Let me just leave it at that. Something other something more than cliches. It's interesting how much we have been exploring these values in in terms of tension points. You know we've been talking about tradition intention with experience and scriptures. We've been talking about having a perspective that has both deep time but an awareness of our inherent need to participate. You know and I keep thinking about the trinity and that and how helpful it is for us to think in terms and it's so one of the one of the Buzzwords that we use in Christian contemporary circles as non duality. What are we even talking? We dance around. Because it's a difficult concept to be able to explain except that I think tension as you're describing. Richard has something to do with that and it that it's not an idea it's not a framework. It's something that we live in to an live from live from Oregon so with that I'm wondering about the role of grace and works in I wonder if grace isn't so much like a a gift. That's bequeath from above as we traditionally issues but that just as we're swimming in systemic evil as we've been talking about and things being absurd are we not also swimming in infinite potentialities. Isn't that also grace? But maybe could you speak to us about that tension of grace and works. It seems to be similar to action and contemplation. In a way you know because we didn't have it well resolved by sixteenth century. That's why the reformation had to happen and if you look at it at least in Luther it happened around that 'cause we were called the works people we Catholics. Who tried to earn our way through doing good works and the Lutherans understandably call themselves the faith or grace people who relied fully upon God. Doing they didn't have the vocabulary for how to integrate. The two wasn't bad will because religious life wasn't teaching it anymore and here good Martin. Luther was an Augustinian Friar but if what he writes in his journals is true he wasn't taught contemplation. He was taught a very guilt laden law system of earning God's love and he he naturally reacted against that so I don't think I'm answering your question. Let's your come bring me back. Please how do we understand the tension between grace and works? Oh yeah contemplation. There's a the air of grace is how you put a rape. Is that incident? Potentially it's in the air right so good. How do we understand? I think it's only understandable. You were moving toward a just before when you're doing it are when it's being done unto you when you feel yourself acting without really acting. I and I hope this doesn't sound you know woo but I know that was true in writing universal cry and still is when I opened the book. I what day did I write that page on? You don't even remember. I don't even remember it. It was it see. That's amazing and it makes me wonder Richard if if there isn't this meeting point between Grace and works that is the that still and moving point Elliott talks about. That is the creative spark that that and I don't mean creative. As in creativity is in crafts and talking and talking about their like Trinitaria to manifest of life it seems like like contemplation is that which rests between Grayson works. And I know that we talk about action contemplation. But at the center of that there is this orientation toward a different center from which we can live from an perceive at the same time. I don't know I you're right. Of course these things with all contributed practices are some attempt to to stop doing to enter into the sabbath rest to stop performing to stop operating performance principal and a sit there in your loneliness as Mary would say And that's why it's so hard to teach and so hard for modern postmodern people who idealize agency after. You've learned how to do that. You actually can jump back on the horse and ride the horse. There is a place for agency. But you're no longer take yourself seriously. You're no longer saying I with emphasis on the I wrote that book. You want to say the book got written you know and I happen to be an instrument. That's just true. That's a soft pious language and each of us will discover that according to what our gift is. But you see why. Grace is so hard to teach. And why even the good aloof turns them and their successors later Protestant denominations very subtly without knowing. It created another method technique formula by which to put themselves back in charge and they couldn't see they were doing that. But it became to use the overused phrase making a personal decision for Jesus Christ. Did you do that do do you hear that? Where did you do that now? It is done unto you. It's not so much I possess Christ which is still in so many evangelical songs but Christ has possesses me which is also in many evangelical songs. So you can tell there's people who get it but it it's a transfer of agency which frees you from your own Need to do it right to do it. A completely yourself by yourself or even to do it because you look back and you know again and again and again it was done to you by getting out of the way. That's why I find your the way you described living in the flow so helpful because as I look at this. You know this debate of grace versus works. It's like one is passive and one is active. Which is how people typically separate action action and contemplation. Same thing they're like well. One is kind of passive but flow is both active and passive. It's a surrender to the moment but you're still participating as well. You're not removing yourself completely. But it's like A. What is that poem from Rumi where he says you know? I am the read. That's being played in Christ and I don't know I find that helpful Richard to be thinking about that orientation toward flow. Is that incarnation place? Where we both rest and God and release and trust in you know grace. That's being done to us. And yet we're also manifesting we're also contributing where participating recreating helps me alone allowing comes down to allowing are allowing is important because we can also resist hatred coldness judgmental ISM fear. And this is what I feel like that team of wilfulness unwillingness to keep circling back around guys. We unpack these terms. Because part of the I think for me is you know especially even when I was younger that wilderness was so strong. And when you get a taste of that willingness. You're like Oh that was different but I. I'm not quite there yet. I gotTa keep pushing this internal personal agenda and every now and then I drop into that William. I'm like well. I'm GonNa live here now but I know I'm just not quite there yet. Xanax young man. Yeah very difficult now. The modern young woman. It's equally difficult for. I think historically it came easier to the woman because culture made her be willing. Willingness was her state of life when we had more practice in a way things. Are you know that pregnancy as an example you can't force any part of that? It's just kind of watching this thing expand inside of you like an alien taking over can do on my my mail experience on the other side also willingness and I was like. There's nothing I can do here. I am helpless to trust. The process is told her extra in a movie. Just in the background. Exactly Yup well you bring it home but they will never stop being a paradox. Each generation each person has to resolve it. Even what we're saying here we might be sending people on the right path but they still have to walk the path themselves overdue action for ten years. It's usually that or longer Hide in false contemplation which Merton talked about for many years which is usually takes the form of piety are doing that with greater piety. You've heard me talk about. The People. Come to communion near the parish church most people line up and put out their hands like everybody else but just this. Wednesday one lady makes a dramatic sign of the cross feed. Lets her arms out receive. The body of Christ is okay. I give it to her. She's she's were equally unworthy but she's trying to heart. You WanNA say. Don't try so Martin. Can't you believe Jesus could give himself to you even if you're not on your knees? There's no incident of him asking people to get on their knees in this life on earth as I think about this and you know we talk a lot about the individual ways that we came by the grace in the works and we'll be tried to do try to willfully do or willingly do Richard. What is the place of comedian? I'm bringing back to me that that first conversation we had about values and as they take on also the spirit of doubts so what does avowed community looked like that can support one another in this way of being universal. Christ that may be outside institutionalized church. We've been you've mentioned the as a place that's been trying to hold the space. Well not not being against the Church of being on the edge of the inside. How do you see vowed communities that are in relationship to church or outside church helping us live into these values like everything they have a strong plus in a dangerous minus the strong plus and I see it especially in so many women religious That they set a Northstar for themselves. Historically at a very young age and those were able to keep moving toward that North Star and it was very very erotic. You know they dress like Brian's we use the language of of bridal mysticism. I remember hearing the confessions of of young nuns and they were so dear so sincere they just didn't want to displease their spouse. You understand so now I willing to bet very few of them talk that overtly that way today those same women but it's it's emblazoned inside of them this vine andbranch solidity and that's why so many of them are involved in peace and justice works radical working on borders all over the world with immigrants with outsiders with the rejected. It probably took that long to totally come together. But it didn't take that long their midlife they were already moving out of their robes out of their titles. I really an amazing group. I talked about him earlier But it does happen and you have to choose your beginning point and do it with sincerity equally. I met so many Catholic worker people who chose social action living among the poor and recognize the by thirty. They were ragged. They were angry. They were not prayerful. They were ultimate doers. And that sent them back. It feels like back to them onto Spiritual seeking a lot of have come here over the years and I'm very happy for that because that's one of the major groups. We WanNA help so I think I have to say they. How offer however offer the greater resistance? Because they're usually doers by temperament their doers. By choice they get their energy from action from change changing things and God uses that and God loves them for it but too often. They are the casualties in the Want is the adjective. I WANNA use for the what I call. The ragged life is too often barking pushing shoving the the phrase that comes to mind was again from Thomas Merton. Doesn't it always? He said you can teach among contemplation. Telly stops slamming doors. Sound so harmless but when you slam door in community your unconscious you really don't realize of the effect of that on everybody else and you just don't WanNa do that. You you learn to closed doors very joey so it doesn't bother others but like I keep saying. Forgive me but every person has to learn that for himself. You can make it. A rule of the convent nuns did and it works in much of the time. But when it's just a willful commandment. It doesn't necessarily need to empathy or compassion our understanding or even carry. It's just we don't slam doors here. Saint Mary's convent and it's quite pleasant live and most convents absolutely clean and absolutely quiet essentially to think about the way you use those two examples. Somebody's polarities where it's the you're bringing up the sisters as internalized devotion that event that became a manifestation outwardly as they were serving the world as in those in the Catholic worker movement will sometimes start with just that outward expressions and then they had to come back to that devotion and I think the speech that even scientists you will point out these differences and then reconcile them and it makes me realize that there has to be an honoring the different starting places within community and I tried to say be prescriptive about the outcome before these these values get internalized and acknowledged that that's going to look different for each person even within a dedicated vowed community good spiritual thinking differentiates before it unites and people are just run to a false uniformity years. You haven't got the dilemma yet. The dilemma that has to be overcome and I always say we learned that from the Trinity. The father is not the Sun. The Sun is not the spirit. The spirit is not the father they hold their identity and yet overcome that diversity by flow of infinite love. And most that it'd be another thing most of us have a preference for liberals have a preference for diversity honoring everybody's individual whatever and people who are conservative. Think they're honoring unity. And sometimes they are but usually they're honoring uniformity and insisting on uniformity which is a disguise that takes the place of unity as so powerful to consider. How just as the metaphysical we were talking about. Just as the metaphysical and the personal intersect at the social that in a way it seems like what you're saying is the action and the contemplation they meet in the end of community and relationship and relational life together where this inner life of prayer is converted into an external life of civic engagement of a relationship of love of creativity and one of the things that pollinate spend a lot of time. Talking about is how much we need. Support to live into this to to really embody the universal Christ. Even even as as we've been discussing these values or values vows we long for that kind of intention -ality and intentional community. That can live this out and Richard. I wonder if you could speak to. I don't know if you have an opinion of the pitfalls and the benefits of or the gift of intentional communities why they work why they don't work and I'm not here referring to monastic community but those alternative attempts that we see many examples of that. You were a part of an intentional community. Because I do think to really fully embody this it requires a different orientation and a group of people to consider how this can look in society. So which is intentional community is a school more than an end in itself. But you don't realize that it almost has to be hidden from you that you're here to learn as benedict says at the beginning of his rule which is why so many monks or nuns. Frankly get less interested in all the structure by the time they hit fifty or so. It's just I don't know that I need to keep doing this. But it was wonderful for me. Twenty five and thirty And you know I because of the new Jerusalem community in Cincinnati having gone through all its stages with them. That's what really convinced me. That's true that it was good for me to leave. So they could grow up and many of them live the values and their children even more of peace and justice and solidarity with other groups better than maybe we do here. It's shocking to me. Enron wonderfully surprising to me as I but maybe this get their stories as I get their stories but maybe the same is going to be true of the staff. You know that here. They're putting all their energy and to hold together the CAC the way we held together the new Jerusalem but enough of the Bigger Gospel is hopefully going to rub off on them that the CAC is not an end in itself. If we say that about the church then we have to say about every organization within the church but that's such a common confusion confusing the finger pointing to the moon with the moon confusing the school wall with life. Now that's why we call it our school the Living School. There's the preparation for life. It's not an end in itself to keep learning this stuff over and over and over again. It's so you internalize it and it becomes existential for you experiential your own way of breathing your own way of moving in the world so. I love intentional communities. I suspect they're always going to emerge but we have to have the freedom which even the Church of at least Catholic Church created. Crane is such a thing as dispensation from vows completely holy process if you did it. Respectfully and lovingly on so many of my peers got dispense from their vows. And my Gosh. The manager Tommy. Systematic theology has been working with Indians in Florida and his wife his whole life. I hope he sees his name in the new book. But he's still doing systematic theology. I bet these seminole Indians have no idea what a genius this man is so I convinced? This is not a stretch that this is the dilemma. Jesus trying to resolve when he talks about wine and wine skins really is why you cannot put new wine in old wine skins you you after a while. When you've drank some of the new wine you need a new container and for many people in new container for my group was marriage or at least non-intentional community and I say that also because I've seen so many who stayed in become stale become without realizing it sort of self centered. Because we don't have anybody to worry about. We come and shut the door. No wife no kids. Francis consider paying our bills. That's dangerous for the spiritual life very dangerous. So isn't it as surprise those who I'm not saying this is true of all of them but many who keep their vows have lost their call to discipleship and many who broke their vows or got a dispense from their vows. Found the meaning of discipleship without all the props and the the decoration Another name for everything will continue in a moment Everyone it's Paul and all of us here at the Center for Action and contemplation. Say Thank you for listening to another name for everything that it's been a source of support and comfort during an uncertain time of complete disorder that we are all fine air selves and Ray. Now all of our podcasts are made possible thanks to the generosity of our homes. I Love I love that. All of our podcasts. 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The living school right like trying to have something new emerge and I was also really struck by the way you said that the children of the original community members in Jerusalem. Actually that my own wife where she her parents and her extended family were part of intentional communities. And the way that's trickled down to how Laura and her. Her siblings and cousins relate to community was very counterintuitive to what I would say the the general masses do what does it mean to live in community and I would love to see more experimentation of was it look like to approach intentional community as a school of life but maybe as you said maybe being aware of that actually ends up collapsing on itself. I'm afraid that usually does when you try to hold onto it. Structures too rigidly. You gather rigid people. And that's why so many of the major communities even in the church the most creative period surly obvious in the Franciscans in the Jesuits is that first generation And less so. I'm not saying it's absent but those who come along to ride on the coattails of an existing good thing don't take many risks. Those who I joined the Franciscans had to really be poor and lose their parents and their families respect in in old of Ceesay. Now we joined the Franciscans and we get a full liberal arts education and and I'm not saying that's wrong right. I got one of them. But it's a different agenda is a different agenda. What is it about? The human nature need to pour concrete over the living first authentic experience and it speaks to me about how you emphasize the living tradition. And as we're sitting here talking about intentional community learning how to trust authentic what is emerging. The living. Tradition seems to be a way to Orient. So that we're not constantly looking to the past or trying to recreate the past or take. What was maybe an authentic experience of an intentional community or say a movement like Francis Earth that he started and then pour concrete on it and try to systematize it and create dogma around it and I don't know I think one of the things. I'm wondering Richard is as it pertains to Christianity itself. You know were in one of those flux periods you sure I feel surrounded by friends who don't feel like they fit into institutional Christianity anymore and there's a real loss there because it's a sense of I don't i. It's not that my beliefs aren't coming with me. It's not that my faith. Is it coming with me? It's just that I don't plug into the system. So one of the things. I've heard you say a lot. Is that secularity is the natural child of Christianity. And I wonder if you could reflect on that a little bit as it pertains to where we are now and maybe helping us trust what our experience might be wanting you know what what the Universal Christ may want to look like uniquely in our time you know in all fairness I learned that very phrase from Ron role. Heuser who's always been a spiritual brother to me teaches in San Antonio he says it's the predictable child of Christianity in other words. Once you get Kara. Rauner supernatural existential. Hughes a big theological term. That everything supernatural. There is no such thing as the natural when you fully understand the Gospel. It's what I'm trying to say in the universe of Christ. God permeates everything from the beginning. There's no running to the holy. There's no running away from the holy now. Once you get that you let more and more of the scaffolding follow away. You don't push it away. You don't hate it you don't reject it but in all fairness you don't need it and you have to do that gently because you know that the young novices as it were the first year of. Living School. They still need all of that and they've got to find out how to gently. Let go of their reliance upon it without rejecting it. So that's why we're the most used phrase in every school is include and transcend. How can you include your youth your teenage years? Your twenties your beginnings of your journey and note that that is transcendence. It's miraculous phrase a low. Ken Wilber said in the opposite he said transcended include. We've sort of turned it around. I still think it's better but if I ever get to talk to him again I'll ask him why he said it. That way the more you can. Let's instead of using the word include. Its use the word. Forgive the more you can forgive because that's what it comes down to the the bigger field. You're living in the bigger field. Tell you live in the reign of God. It's always about our forgiving reality for being what it is forgiving reality for being imperfect for giving my wife or not meeting all of my needs for giving my children for not being absolutely perfect. They have little traits that I frankly wish they didn't have much as I like them and I'm sure every parent has to go through that. So did I answer SORTA secularity once you get that Yeah you don't need all the scaffolding but you don't reject the scaffolding and in fact you can find yourself talking in very worldly ways or God forbid. I hate to say this but most of this week. We didn't begin with a conscious prayer. You don't absolutely need to prayer is living in conscious union with God. Now if you've tried to step out of bed this morning in conscious union with God you're not changing the channel right now you still on that channel of and you're hopefully speaking and listening but to the person at the early stage. I was went to a retreat house. Once was never invited back. They said because you didn't begin your retreat with a prayer. You started talking and I should`ve. I should've started with a prayer but you I both know that becomes perfunctory performance. Very mega wrong. But it looks secular. Yeah what's that quote from Merton that you begin the what we do with Evil Book Sprang to mind of? How did you say at where it's at some point you become you become to find that you religious your and inevitably you come back anyway and to me it exudes that same spirit of you don't need the form? You're not. Attach that scaffolding even though you can still go back and per and show up and use that same language but it's just it doesn't matter if it's translated in a different way as I remember you almost set up a one thing. Go ahead. I A certain point most religion becomes laughable strong. Yeah and then later you realize you are nonetheless religious. Yeah now there's a mind and heart that can live with paradox. Good stuff as always is when I find that so encouraging Richard because as we try to navigate what this looks like in the world you're giving permission to to have a posture of willingness as you said I really appreciate and I'm going to start to think about this. Willingness as leading the scaffolding fall without rejecting it or pushing. It away. It's the it's the orientation toward just being where we are and embracing and finding the two or three community finding the others who are also in that place to walk alongside of you and say all right. Let's just do this together you know. Let's connect let's have meals together. Because I do. Think the touch point in such an individualistic society. We do need some kind of structures of community because those are so absent now. We don't have them yes very true. It's so easy to to stay in our individuals in our personal family life and not be walking alongside of other people who were devoted animate devotion and simplicity and public virtue. As you've been inviting us to do. The scaffolding is good and I mean not sincerely. It's just not very good very good is when you're doing the dance naturally and therefore you don't have to force people to accept your symbol system. It's not tribal anymore. The the scaffolding level. You listen for the right words. You're disappointed when they don't use your words and you don't realize egocentricity of that. The mystery of God is beyond words. But that's a learning that comes slowly and that's why the true second half of life mystic will always be called a heretic center dangerous and outsider. Now you should never seek that name but don't be surprised if you're called that because people who are very sincere very sincere and maybe more dedicated than you are earlier on the journey. You look that way. This is dangerous Richard. I've had it said to me many times. Believe me I go home with pause stretching too far. Am I running away from the center? The core I hope not I think not but I've got the last day of my life I still need to be asking It's such a healthy response to be able to to ask of yourself and in my living the radical trust that the crisis catoon to emerge in me around me or am. I following my own narcissistic intuition here. My Messiah Complex Yeah. I've been accused of it all my life and I have to say to what degree is it true. Why don't a thousand other ministers and priests say what I'm saying and actually they do? In many cases they just were given the the immense platform the providence seems to have given me that I I get to say these things and allow them to be heard. That's a gift. That trust in the relational field thinking goes Paul Circle for talking about devotion and simplicity and living into this public justice that we're in relationship whether we realize it or not were in conscious relationship with one another were in relationship to Christ things. There's there's this cosmic Catholic city that becomes our new capital. T. Tradition that we can trust even if many of us are. I feel like I'm a Christian. I don't really and I remember. I came to you Richard Actually two years ago. I and I was like you know feeling like I needed to like join the joining somewhere. Because I felt expulsed from my evangelical background says maybe it should be maybe I should convert to Catholicism like this makes so much sense you know I love the mystics mystics or mostly. Catholic should totally be Catholic. They have all the symbols. I like in the incense and it's so much your pretty came to you about this. I hope I don't get you in trouble by sharing the story and you're responsible said why not gone through the Pretty St L. When I first got to dress up it was so exciting but believe me the fascination in your response in that moment help me recognize that. We really are all in this together. We don't need the labels of the different denominations and even for those of us who don't feel like we fit in anymore Sunday church something is manifesting can be trusted we are participating in the unfolding story of the Universal Christ and these values what I appreciate. Richard is that these values give something of a structure to Orient to. I'm thinking of myself because I still don't quite fit into Sunday. Church life actually started attending as then Songa instead which same difference but that the vows give us a structure maybe a focus for for what community life could look like for what an alternative community could look like to live out these values universal Christ together. You need the juice of dedication version from other people to keep your own juices going. We used to speak of the mid day. Devil Juror have that expression the loss of momentum and inspiration usually in your forties where. It's all stop it. I am tired of playing this game. And if you don have some truly inspiring dedicated devoted use whatever word you want people rubbing off on you you will tend to wander away and We talked about it earlier. Cynicism it's well hidden cynicism but it still is and it's a beast it's real beast because you look like you're still tolerant and sort of believing. That's the noon day devil. At least as I defy him those relationships can keep us honest then in a way just like marriage is so important to marry someone you really love and respect and appreciate because they're doing that rubbing off on you and I think too is You know my wife certainly my anchor in that relationship and that mirror and also friends who are also on a devoted path. That slow that your partner doesn't have to become the end all be all and should be holding. That whole emir view becomes a burden for both of you and I think you know I keep coming back to the two or three on this path. Then just having someone who's GonNa be able to ask those questions that penetrate to that level of Were you need to go next? How are you living this out? While how are these values actually being express who you are and if you know the the weight that you have to do do that for so many people as he hold up that mirror and things get put upon you and then you have to? Kinda give them back that their goals projections back hope. So how can you speak to that? Because I know there's a lot of teachers and pastors who are who listen to this who reach out and things get put onto them and they have big. Carry that weight being that projection digestion. And this is kind of a strange question. H- what advice would you offer those? Who are trying to lead a community as a way to do that with integrity and humility to not carry that gold and that projection or shadow of others. Don't let me drink water. Everyone vodka too bad first of all you gotta respect that people need to do that projection. Don't dismiss them too quickly in the men's work especially and a number of men told me this over the years. I need to call you father. I don't need them to call me. Father they need to say it. I'm sorry there you have to be secure enough to hold the projection without becoming over identified with it and subsumed under it or insisting on it like the young jesuits you're talking about who call me father well probably that's the first indication you don't have father energy if you did you would need it. Need the name. It's one of those paradoxes again. You're begging for it you're trying to grow into it. Doesn't make the guy a bad guy but let them project whatever they need onto you. Because no with equal certainty they will project the negative on new and Kenu equally carry the negative projection when it comes because it often I kid you not comes from the exact same people who project the wrong thing onto you. You're their ticket to fame your their ticket to a job you're there ticket to Vicarious holiness and they'll treat you very deferentially if that's a word. I guess it is but boy when you don't follow their agenda and how many times have I gone through this? He inherited the CAC where they become. In all truth. Your most vicious enemies was vicious enemies. Who just do everything they can because you did not live up to what they needed you to be. But they couldn't see lattice author fall. Is that any kind of answer. I keep going back to the the forgiving reality and a lot of ways allow forgiven that spirit of emergency universal Christ and everywhere and anywhere not just contained to the community that we've called Church. A as we pertains to what we've talked about politics and environment. It also seems to be an invitation for us with our teachers right. Richard to be conscious of our projections to be aware of the ways. We like to make ourselves infantile almost dependent relationships so that we don't have to act entrust the universal Christ emerging us. Yana it becomes a becomes another escape route to just push and project all the all the power all the inside all the action on to you or Cynthia Jim or any of our teachers are even the mystics. Or even Jesus you know but you but to trust that this this unfolding manifestation of Christ is part of US two means we have to embrace reality as it is and forgive it as it is and be willing to participate. That's such an invitation for US Richard. I wonder if enclosing if you would be comfortable with this but since you were talking about prayer I wonder if you would close the season with a word of prayer for all of us seeking to live into devotion simplicity and you know what you've called public virtue or a life of solidarity and action. Would you pray for us? All try remembering we do not know how to pray as Paul says in Romans eight but you pray through us and with us an US and as and all we can do is say yes to that deeper flow that deeper goodness the deeper loving we all in this little room this little hermitage where so many people afraid we thank you for using US knowing that it might just be one little phrase on the fifth episode that someone is ready to hear and could change their entire worldview. We thank you for allowing us to speak it however weekly and feebly I thank you loving God for Brie and Paul for carrying about this message so much sometimes. I feel many members of the staff care about more than I do. I take it for granted many times and get tired of having to speak it but they pull better things out of me so we praise you. We thank you. We bless you on this first day of fall as we enter into another cycle. Another falling trusting that this following will also predict certain springtime certain resurrection and certain Easter. We thank you for Easter Ring in us as the poet says so we can trust that. It's true everywhere else to we. Bless you loving God we thank you with all of your creatures in Jesus name in the name of the Universal Christ Amen. Amen thank you thank you. Thank you thank you Richard. Oh mine goes visitor. Asked me to pray. And that's it for today's episode. Another name everything with Richard broad this podcast produced by the Center for Action and contemplation. Thanks to the generosity of our donors. The beautiful music. You're listening to was brought to you by will Reagan. If you're enjoying this podcast consider rating it. 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Big Story Streaming Club: Friday Night Lights episodes S22, S1, and S2 with Matt Burton

The Big Story

43:42 min | 1 year ago

Big Story Streaming Club: Friday Night Lights episodes S22, S1, and S2 with Matt Burton

"Well it's going on. Is the Big Day podcast. Today is may twentieth here the year. Two Thousand Twenty of our Lord has our friend Brady. Triathlon would say I'm joined by Matt Burden Including Season One of Friday night lights as well as the first couple episodes of season. Two fuel falling along watching three episodes of the hit. Tv show per week and this is a big week for us. A lot going on this one. That a lot going on in more than I bargained for way more than you bought. You thought the racism is going to be the peak of unbelievable plotlines or the child molester. Living next door. Tim Riggins you thought all that would be the peak. Oh my friend. Friday night lights has a way of dragging it deeper and deeper you. Just wait till you get to seize the FI. You want him believe it Friday Night Lights. It's like Friday night lights trying to be like breaking bad going on everything has got just. They're just missing the drug. They're missing the Neth okay. So here's my columns today of the different categories. I have the football team which obviously in this these three episodes they play at the state title game against Voodoo Tatum. I have the Taylor's in everything that's going on with Julie and her mother and her father over the course of this episodes I have Matt. I have sorry I have met Graham all Lila Entira who obviously spend some time together. All three of those. You somehow find time together in these episodes and my have finally obviously Tyra and Landry the rule if we can end with the man. What do you want to get into? I don't I don't know if we're going to start off with a hard hitting suffers or say about. I think we need to get into it. I just think we just need to jump right into because it's hard to avoid talking about that for extended being very true. It's like Mia Madison. Did the book of Eli recently. Which have you seen this film? I have been a minute. Okay well the big. If you've seen it at least you hopefully know this. Part of the big reveal at the end of the movies. He's blind and like you find wind at the very end. It's like we've we spent the first five minutes trying to dance around that Madison. Where I'm just gonNA tell everybody that I think this plotline with Landry and tyra is a little bit of the same. So yeah so. I'll just lay the picture I'll let you Bring home here because you had not seen this before landry. Tyra are spending more time together and obviously landry is trying to further that relationship because he has a crush on tyler seeing a clar that is following tyra around town at one point he. The car almost hits tyrod in a parking lot and it becomes clear that it's the person who tried to rape her in the tasty freeze parking lot a few episodes ago. Finally Tire is confronted by her assailant in the parking lot. Is it the same tasty freeze? No no it's a convenience store. She's confronted by her Salem. And I'll just let you talk through it. Tell me what you were thinking. What happened at all? Okay so my first lady go. Then later he goes into the store get entira all the things that she wants. Law print wrinkles get mentioned a lot in the show. Hey maybe they signed the deal. Smart Business decision by pringles to have a little product placement in Friday Night Lights. No doubt So you hear the guy. I talked to her like say something. Like you're hanging out with that loser or something like that like as he's walking behind her which very eerie very scary it would. I would be scared if a guy came up to me and said like something ominous to me. When I'm like by myself in a parking lot like I would be scared. I can only imagine what a high school girl feels like if a guy came up behind her and say that and knowing that someone has been falling her like you you gotta automatically assume like. That's the dude who tried to rape you so I was like okay this moment. Like this is his moment like Like back to the future like whenever Marnie McGuire. Actually the movie in Madison or doing tomorrow there. You go good title. Paul Circle Mrs Moment he's GonNa like clock this dude and then they're gonna like go home like he's GonNa Comfort her and they're finding GonNa Kiss. I was like okay. Yeah that's like the the story about thing but I I completely forgot that. This is Friday night. They bring in racism and like a Damn Radio. Rode a train. The chemical explosion like this. Yeah they're bringing they bring up everything so I did not think whenever whenever they get into the total lander gets you know Lindor gets punch gets kinda flattened into the trash and I see the metal bar. I'm like okay can use that in like him like across the back No he goes straight for the headshot. Yeah boom right on the head twice not once twice staggers in once and then finishes the job Then you know entire like she sees the blood like on She sees the blood on the backwards head. She's like what like whats I'll say okay. There's no way in that like this show include murder. That was my first thought I was like. There's absolutely no way. Yeah this show will include a high school kid murdering somebody right But that's exactly what happened and not only did they have a high school kid murder someone but they had high school kids dispose of the body without going celebrities. Nothing like that. They had heighten decided to throw a body that they had that they killed. Accidentally I I wouldn't say intentionally killed him but okay this the second. The second shot was much that was my point is that I one. He's clearly so out of he might have died there but landry. I mean just. Put the icing on the cake. That second one. Right across the jaw. Kate now this guy. That died wasn't a scumbag. Obviously clear SCUMBAG. He wasn't he was gonNA probably without him right. He was gonNA walk away free clear then he hit. Landry entira with the. I'm definitely GONNA come back for you in points to tire. And that's when Landry picks up the pipe now she's like no. Yeah no you're not gonNA come back so you know I I just. I did not think that murder would be involved in this. Especially like 'cause we've been we've been like trying to find relatable things like from our high school days when whenever we've been going through this like me and you like. Oh that's kind of like a Mario Lopez kind of like I could see that happening. Yukon like Blah Blah In no I don't think I mean I'm going to speak for you here. I don't think murdering someone with someone else one of my other classmates. That's not very relatable. No no so so. They're kind of locked me a little bit like come on like what we're doing here we're we're murdering someone else so let's spend. Let's just talk through. How ridiculous because you're right? I off as you mentioned tyrod notices the blood right right so they pick up the body they put it in. Landry's let's assume they clean Landry's car that means there's blood on the payment. Do they clean up the blood on the pavement and during that entire course? There's no one in. The convenience store comes outside. No one comes into the convenience store because they're not like around the back of the they're just right on the side. I mean right out in the open against a road so no one sees putting the body into the car. No one finds the blood on the outside. There's apparently no security camera footage of any kind that they have to worry about like they're just all free and clear. Everything works out flawlessly. Yeah yeah seriously. It's usually I have so many questions and it was just. I did not feel like it was necessary to have an murder. Somebody like I get him trying to like saving her. Yes that would have been cool like you thought it was gonna be lasted like Superhero. Then him it's high where we're GONNA go out and bang later. That's what he thought was going to happen right. You thought I was going to happen in plus because we've been rooting for Landry. Like this whole time. No doubt. He's like he's helped him. He's helped him well. He didn't really helped him. He did. Tim's work for him and then he's been trying to. He's been trying to win over tyrod someone who is kind of out of his league not then she did league and you know he kind of root for the underdog you know he killed somebody you. I don't know it's just it's weird. I didn't think that it was necessary to add that storyline because we have a storyline going on. I didn't think that was a necessary. Storyline to go down right and so when I now so now. I'm watching this for whatever the third time I think and you start. I'm trying to start picking picking out by bigger like wisest going on because it. I like to your point when you watch this I I. It's just so jarring that whole my. Gosh what is this is a TV show but a high school football team and now all of a sudden. I'M WORRIED ABOUT THEM. Cleaning up a body correctly like what's happening. I think they made a decision and now going forward. I'm really curious of what it's going to look like. But obviously they just that the murder happens in episode one of Season Two obviously episode twenty two last episode of Season. One is the State Championship Game. Which entire show is built around the football team? Obviously note the name. I think they made the conscious decision when they were writing out. What this plotline was going to look like. They knew re-booting season. I mean look for the football team. The second football season they're going to have to find ways to not make that slog feel the same right because they can't just do what they did in the first. They relied so heavily on what was going on with the football team. And Oh my God. Are They GonNa win this week? They couldn't do that. Basically the copy and paste the exact same thing twice and so I think they're launching in not only the murder but also the surprise pregnancy at birth of a child in this show that I think they're using those two plotlines to try to keep the audience engaged as the Football Team. Kinda gets towards the end of whatever they're going to be doing this year so that way it kind of keeps the story turning because truthfully if it just came in and it was like. Here's the panthers trying to fend their state title. I really think though this show would have lost some of its its pull some of its drawing. But now I don't know about you but the first time I saw this is like okay. So what the Hell's going to happen with this dead body. GotTa wash up on the point. Right someone's GonNa find. It is landry going to go to jail Landry for the first time show talks about his dad being a cop so now. I'm not even that is all I am thinking about right and I think that was kind of on purpose because they knew they couldn't just go back to the well of well. There's a football team and they're trying to win some games right. No I get that I get that I just these cockamamie literally cream. It's just a little. I mean the murder is so crazy and that's not to mention again. That coach Taylor's wife has a baby. And she's what forty she's Gotta. Be Iota Forties. She has a kid in high school. Those are two insane things that are I mean the murder vastly more insane than childbirth. But that's two really big block. Jenner's kind of plopped together in a forty five minute stretch and that to me trying to think existential which maybe I'm over thinking. Maybe that's why they're there is that we have a reason to kind of stay with the dillon. Panthers I get it I get it. I knew I just admit the admit that you're curious how this is all GonNa work out now though right. Oh No. I'm I'm definitely curious because the murder is not like something that like. That Lila did where you know. We just completely forget about her smashing into the dam like all the cars and the car dealership and then we never hear about it again. Right isn't the murder actually taking the other there's a murder But no so yeah I am drawn in. I was just like with that like in especially like you have to be landry like did it have to be the underdog that we're all rooting for like come on. That was my only gripe. Yeah now I really liked major. Probably we probably be prefaced. If haven't seen the show spoiler but obviously landry didn't do it on purpose. He was trying to kill the guy. I don't know about you. I have seen a few of a few brawls in high school I saw a few fistfights and even some fights that involved weapons like a lead pipe maybe not specifically but something of that Dowdy. I've seen people get messed up. I I had to assume if I was in this situation. I'm not loading the GUY's body into my car and trying to drive him to the hospital because that's that's what you're led to believe they were doing initially is that they were picking up his body and they were trying to drive him to the hospital today realized he was dead. You're just calling nine one one right like you're just immediately calling nine. You're not why would they try to beat the ambulance? That was my hope. Pigtails like I don't know like cellphones are around in the time. This is a cellphone right. Like cell phones were around. Call run into the gas station. It'd be like hey yeah I just. It's a twice ahead with this metal bar and he's not breathing so we need to call ambulance. And why does it? Convenience store have just type slang by the trash man. Yeah no idea no idea but also like if you go if you go into the gas station and you're like hey there was a man. He tried to assault this girl. I'm with like I need an I hit him over the head with you. Know whatever this this metal bar. He punched me. Yeah he punched me. He punched me. He was trying to assault this girl that I was with. I I need to use your phone. Call Nine one one and call the police like reasonable that that would be. I think the reasonable thing to do but no less load him up into our car not tell a soul and you know worked seventeen years old seventeen eighteen years old. And we're GONNA take this door grip now. Okay Song Glad that you are skeptical of all this going on as I am because I feel like I'm about to Kinda ruined this scene. And this is an on shockingly man. I'm going to go and ruin. This is going to be a big plot point for a while. Oh really murder plot for a while. So I- rewound it and we watched it after I kind of went through the first the first time through it so landry comes out of the convenience store at this point. The guy's already all over tyra so lady with the door open. Here's tirade yelling right so first off. There's an outside chance. Maybe not that the person inside the store working the counter could also here tire. But let's assume they can't give them the best of the doubt later yells. Hey Hey get off over while he's still holding the door so he's standing in the doorway yelling. Hey Hey off and takes US sprinting. I I have to assume that whoever just took landry's money at the cash register had to have seen landry or heard Landry yell. Hey Hey get off of her and then sprint into the parking lot right. Yes and it's not the least bit. Okay so the this employee at the gas station. He's not the least bit concerned at all. Like that doesn't make you curious a little bit of what's going on or he's just like this is a Tuesday night man. It's none of my business like I'm I'm just here. I'm at work in a stitches. Stitches Bro Exactly. This is not my business. I'm not Horace Grant. I'm not selling Michael here. I'm just GONNA keep my mouth shut. None of my this exactly so do you. They cleaned up the blood off the parking lot. Or do you think they weren't worried about it. No I don't I don't think so at all loaded up. They weren't thinking clearly like I was talking. They didn't call the ambulance. They didn't call anybody they didn't call the cops call anybody. I don't think they had the clear thought to be like. Oh we should clean up the blood. Yeah so one day Matt Burden you be married and you'll be going through something similar and the first year of marriage you'll be you'll feel like you have to watch everything with your spouse like give your spouse's watching TV show. You should watch with them. Eventually you'll learn that you can just go into a different room and watch something else. But there'll be some awkwardness early on my wife and I are now. Pass that awkwardness where she's wanting to watch bones. Which is show that truth? I don't care for a whole lot in watching Friday night lights. We'll just be in different rooms and my wife is always kind of out like watch. Has she seen me watch this show before? She's never totally gotten it and she's always kind of made fun of it this time. She has been kind of keeping up with me right like she's been watching the show because we're in court and she's working from home and so she's just kind of doing her work while we're in the same room and now she's keeping up her. She was asking me about the blood on the payment thing as well and her idea. Tell me this crazy is that they use the coke they bought it just like obviously didn't get rid of it but instead of it being puddle just right there in the middle like they kind of washed it and spread it around with the soda. They bought in the convenience store. Does that sound plausible? Okay that does sound plausible. That does yeah. They open cracked. Open the twenty ounce Pepsi dumped it on the bloods kind of spread out. Yeah I can see okay. Okay okay so yeah okay. I do like that. We'll we'll go with that theory. The old coke over the blood tricks. Okay here's the other portion of this. I guess we just have to take it. Face value is that tyra immediately realizes that he's dead while she was she's driving the car because for whatever reason Landry's in the back like holding him like that's going to do well later. He's in the back holding the body entire driving. The car and Landry guesses the paying attention to where they're going. And so I. I mean outside of going to the hospital. She immediately be lines for a river. Like if I'm Landry my first thought is Oh my God. Have you done this before? I don't have the whole thing was just. I didn't get it. I didn't get it all. I don't know well they can go into the river. He wasn't going to the hospital at all was she. Yeah and I'm not going to go ahead and tell anybody how to dump a body but if I was like I don't know if I was going to dump a body in a river on a bridge. I would turn my headlights. Yes you try to be as discreet as possible. Absolutely also create me if I'm wrong. River didn't look deep. No that looks like a river. That's kind of overflow rain for a few days it looks like a glorified like Creek. Yup and you have to rock the rock like poking like you have to assume that they have watched the Sopranos. I guess because they would know that you tie a rock to the body so it holds it down otherwise he's just GonNa float just GonNa Float floater. We got a floater. We got a floater. Shout out to the one outside. I don't know which is crazy to me. The sixteen year old sleeping with the thirty five year old neighbor or the fact that two seventeen year olds committed a murder and hit a body but both of those being in a TV show about football team is just hilariously. Ten out of ten unpredictable. My wife is just staggered that all this has been worked in. I would say I would say the murderers definitely crazy and then Tim riggins that stallion pleasing with the thirty five year old neighbor so towards the end of episode to landry as a little random subplot has joined the football team. I guess clout that Matt has got his made him a little. Bit Jealous. He's aside. He's GonNa play football and he gets rally girl and she says something along the lines of. I'm here for whatever you need. Do you have any questions and Linda looks? This poor girl the is it says are all humans capable of evil of whatever reason that I know. I know it's coming from a dark place for him but just the thought of like saying go high school girl. You're just that's hilarious that you're opening question tyra standing right there so tire. He's dealing with a lot. But if I just watched a guy committed murder helped me dump a body in the next day. He says something like are all humans capable of evil. I think I'm now scared of him. He is having a crazy moral battle going on this. No doubt he doesn't know what's going on. But for good reason he the guy so kill It's such a crazy thing. Okay so I'm glad I also. I was really worried that I was going to slip in like give that away before we got here like I was GonNa Make Landry. Kills a Guy Joke like at some point in the prior episode? I'm glad I made it all the way to here and I hadn't said anything. I'm proud of myself. I'm glad I'm glad. Thank you in Chris. Parish loyal listener of this just ruined something for me on twitter so Chris is okay I forgive you oh yeah damn you but also come on Man Matt Matt. Burton over here is catching all this. It's like it's airing on cable for the first time okay. Let's talk about. Let's talk about the football team. They've been kind of get out of here. The other amine. I'll just briefly. Go over the center going. I know there is important. A Jewish Taylor's the worst daughter to ever exist. Obviously she's jealous of the newborn baby because Miss Taylor has a kid in the span of these three episodes. Yeah but Julie Falls in love with some guy from Sweden. They change from somebody speaks like perfectly. Yeah is Swedish lives in America. My whole thing with Yuli. She's a horrible. A girlfriend in a horrible honor. Yes yes but my whole thing is like if she wanted to like fall in love with a singer in India Bam. She should just moved off them. Oh my gosh you're so right right. I mean seriously like what's thank you. The singer in a terrible Dan like just moved to Austin there. The diamond doesn't down there. No doubt and the bigger problem here with me is that you know. This is from season the indices in want to the start of season two. It's supposed to be eight months so I know that's a lot of time but like at the indices in one. She is losing her mind because she's in love with Matt Saracen and she does not want to move to Austin and then at the start of season one eight months later she still dating Matt but like very willing to cheat on him at any moment's notice yes. She Matt thinks they're still dating. Julia definitely not still dating that. Jewish temple dating matinee anymore. So that is all going on Well Goodness Gracious. I had a Julie's the worst Taylor Julia trying to and I just couldn't I couldn't find that Anyway so as far as everything else going on. Tim has a great line to Lila. Lila has found Christianity. I don't know if it's really Christianity or it's like Jehovah's Witness I can. I can't really tell but she gets baptized. And she's putting flyers on cars to come to her Her Prayer Group which is great problem there. She skips over. Tim's truck it. Tim Catches her shifting over ten trucks and Lila says. Well what do you? What did you do last Wednesday and Tim says quote? I had a three way with the Stetson sisters it. I love it. Teve riggins everybody. Tim riggins Leonard Guy. What a guy. What a guy for him Love Tim Riggins love that. I've missed your. I'm GonNa Miss Your Prayer Group this Wednesday because I will be having another three way. Doesn't sisters again so but Matt's grandma buys a two thousand four hundred dollars and that's and that's really just the end of that plot like there's no follow up. Yara shows up with the mail and it's really expensive and then outside of that obviously the home-worker that Matt has been trying to get since his dad. We'RE BACK AFGHANISTAN. Shows up really at the tail end of this series of three episodes. And so you find out. She's going to be living in the home with matins grandma to help take care of the grandma and she seems to be very very strict about the cleanliness rules and what. The grandma's allowed to eat that does not seem to be sitting. Well did I miss any other random side plots of obviously the championship football game they will finish with Let's see Buddy. Garrity is off the rails audio loses his mind absolutely off the rails couldn't happen to a nicer guy I think yeah when he's talking to coach Taylor and he goes okay so I I don't know if I'm ruining the law. Now you're going after this after this is N. season two and one after the new coaches in the Tennessee tyrant but he seems like a swell guy. Seems like it's well guy but he kicks he kicks buddy garrity out of practice. Love that love that from the Tennessee tyrant. I kind of thought that you might be like on this guy's team like you know what I I agree with everything that's going on here. I've had enough of buddy garrity. No Yeah No. I was like good for the Tennessee. Tyrant chicken out practice. Good he has. He has no patients coach. Taylor did and then when buddy. He's talking to coach Taylor and he goes. He called me an annoying nuisance. Can you imagine that coach Taylor just laughs? He's got that's pretty great. I love that. Yeah then Miss Taylor is going through it right now. Miss Taylor I will tell you and this is no. This is not going to be surprised. Just based on what you afar at the end of all this like she coach Taylor like kind of like stole the hearts of America when the show aired originally. Yeah Yeah people know she she is. I feel for right now. She's going through it. She's an daughters pitch coach. Taylor is not there ever and she basically just taking care of newborn by yourself. So I'm going through it right now. She has gone through coach. Taylor coach Taylor. I'm trying to remember. His wife is from. She's in a different show that my wife watches. I. I don't know her from anything else. Yeah I don't know but she's in a really popular show. My wife was just blown away that I didn't recognize. I'm not sure anyway. Okay Football Championship game I off. They're playing Voodoo. I don't know if we talked about that. New tatum gets to another school. How the Hell is he eligible? He's not he's not. That was my whole thing if he gets older ellsmore from one school. That doesn't mean he can just go to another school especially to save lives in the same class the same I just. He's not playing. So that's another plot point in this That's another that's another bad one. 'cause on his way out of Dylan. He admits to taking bribes. In all this. It's like okay. So Dylan might like. There's a whole thing about them having to forfeit a game potentially because of but then he just gets to play somewhere else like I would love to know. Who's Paul's Got Greece there? Because I mean there's just no other way no he's not playing. That would not that would not happen in real life at all ever. No definitely not like. I can only my dad. Obviously and your dad both Been coaches at the high school level. My Dad would go nuclear. Is something like this happened. Like I mean you WanNa talk about a shit show like my dad would be losing his mind. Yes No my dad would not. You would not be Definitely not be happy about that. He would make sure that either. That didn't play or the game didn't happen right okay. So the story gets out right before the game starts. Obviously they're playing down in Dallas Dallas cowboys. Stadium this is a Pre. Jerry's world obviously is supposed to take place in two thousand six and so they're playing down in Dallas in the Dallas Cowboys Stadium. It's this big deal. Will as doing the press conferences when they get out there and there's a lot of trash talking going back and forth somehow some way. The story gets out. That coach Taylor has accepted the job at TM. Which we find out is Texas Methodist University in Austin so explain that to me but there Texas Methodist University in Austin as mind smu in Texas and put it in the okay and they didn't they filled the Texas at Texas state. So whatever okay so the story gets out of the reporter ask coach Taylor Upfront? Did you take the job and coach Taylor to its credit? Says yes and it. Just you know address it firsthand right there and then in the press conference which is kind of similar what he did when Mac didn't get fired and they go to a pep rally and coach Taylor gives the most awkward PEP rally speech of all time like is there a pep rally speech. No not at all does the. My roommate's dog was method on the couch. Guy I was like. What is that noise but anyway no terrible? Gerbil tablet speech and then he tried to duck the question the first time two days like. Oh Yeah we're no- We're focused on the game and all this stuff and she was like. Oh it's not question. I asked her right and he's getting up and he's supposed to be giving this. We're playing the State Championship game tomorrow. The whole teams. They're all the parents all the faculty there this giant Banquet Hall and he supposedly. I mean again. Give them the. We appreciate every coming out. Thanks for all your support this year. We're going to try to play our best play as hard as we can and hopefully can come up with the state title. It gets up there and gives us like ten minute diatribe about I'm leaving. I know this sucks all of you out. There have dreams. I have dreams too damn it and so he should understand what I'm doing like just a hilariously awkward terrible terrible terrible term okay. I wouldn't know how to react. I don't think that me now like me now. Okay yeah like you`re. You're getting a college. Coaching job good for you. Yeah okay the first episode of the second season. He's listening to sports radio on the way to the office before he leaves. And someone's like I shook his hand wants and he looked like he had heart but now he's he doesn't have any like what is going on okay before the game got started right. They're all on the field before the first kick happens before you see anyone take a snap dude. You think they were going to win the football game. No because I seen the movie fraternite lies so I was like okay there this loosely based on like your desa burn but I- different time period. I think so. That's why I was like I'll maybe they like. Lose it at the last second or something like that or they get really close. I did not think that they were GonNa win the football. Yeah so this gets a little confusing. The book they win the movie they lose the TV show. They win so obviously in the point in the game but as far as the kickoff the first time I watched I thought the same thing I had not read the book. I'd only seen the movie. I just assumed that they were gonNA come up short at the end but I the team and then also why did what Cambria like did they. Why did they have the exact same uniforms as the team from gridiron? If you've seen I god there exactly uniforms. It looks like the mustangs same out. Got Everything Black and gold. Everything was the coach. Dwayne the Rock Johnson. It might've been who knows who knows. I kept watching it. I was like they're playing the team from Gridiron Game Right now. I. You're absolutely right. I did not re. I did not put that together when I was watching. It was the first thing I thought of. I don't know why I have not seen Gridiron gang since it came out. I don't know how input but that the other but that's on Netflix. Watch right now okay. So the game get started and Matt. Saracen sucks. He's horrible things are not going well. It's twenty six zero at halftime which is just the weirdest score. How did they get to twenty six to miss? They had to miss two extra points. Because you see Voodoo. Throw two touchdowns in run for two touchdowns so I mean. I guess it's two extra points but that's just such a strange score going into halftime and I'll give coach Taylor credit great halftime speech. Yeah he really turned it around from his pre-game coming from the dinner comment the night before which really wasn't getting anybody fired up and really just made everyone depressed. He hit him with Noah. Thought we'd be here when Jason got hurt in week one and now there's four thousand forty thousand people at that which I forty thousand people for high school. Football Team is insane. Forty thousand people out there. Who Don't who don't believe in us. Now there's a handful of people who really love US. Think we can pull you go out there and play for their. It's good stuff going to coach. Taylor there get that was good and then he had to go and fuck it up by doing. The clear is we'll heart can't Li Yup one last time. Here's what I will say you go back and watch the halftime speech state again. Great stuff and coach Taylor. I paused it. Seventeen players in the huddle dude. Would you say that if you go back and look like that room is barren? There's like nobody in there like the whole back of the room is just empty. There's there's a seventeen kids do we. Do we lose money? Why can we not afford to? They're more extras. Just sit here and where shoulder pads They'd have they'd had enough shit. They're like all right. You know whatever like half the three quarters of the team. We had enough. We're going we're going back out there. And then the rest the seventeen that they had left. We're still listening to him. Good for them. Yeah it is just. It's just incredible stuff in the sports movies. I'm going to be honest. It's like that. That's specifically counting. Numbers of players has become like a pastime of mine in every sports. Tv. Show at movie because it's always hilariously short like if you look at like basketball movies it's always like seven guys. Look there's got to be worth seven people of this team class. B schools have more than seven. Yeah okay so they come out in the second half and they were just on fire smashes the big play Voodoo gets gets gives up a an ice cream is what I call it because of NFL street. But a fumble recovered for six points and a touchdown and so things are really really rolling. But it kind of fast forward to the last possession. So what did you? How did you feel about Matt Sarasin? Basically pretending like he invented the hook and ladder. We run this one play that I came up with all on my own. You know. It's where one player he runs. He catches it. But he's GonNa pitch it back to someone who's running the opposite direction and it's going to throw the Just came up with it before the game just in case we needed it. No solid play. Is the solid play. It was a solid place so they run a crossing pattern. We're Tim Riggins. I up every other skill position on. This team just doesn't exist anymore. It's all Tim Riggins. And I'll smash Tim Riggins. Fullback is running an eighteen yard crossing route. It's smashes running underneath him on a crossing route in the opposite direction. And they pitched it out there and smash sprints up the sidelines. And he scores the game when he touched touchdown. And that's right the Dillon Panthers Wednesday. There's a great little seen when They're over on the sideline arguing about what play. They're going to call the try to win the game and Jason is throwing out his idea as coach mack who is just the worst offense coordinator in the history of football is throwing out his concept's. Sarasin given the coach in work matters. Chitwood Jimmy Chitwood all make it now. We're exactly what no Matt Saracen sit down. No good for good for Sarasin. He's a Gamer. What can I say? I've been saying this whole time. He's Gamer. Shows up on the lights or brightest and then do and then smash just casually dislocated shoulder and then get back into place and then comes back in and then he's just like fine right after completely completely fine. Did you weird that? They cause in the movie. Tim Riggins gets his shoulder. Popped back into place so like that's a good point in the movie right like Tim goes over to the sideline shoulder's dislocated look dislocated. And it's not the last play of the game but the second to last play of the game and it's like third and eighteen or whatever and they popped him shoulder back into place and he comes in and they run a fullback dive on four th and eighteen because that makes sense and like Tim like spins off like five tackles get the first down and then it turns out to be a holding call point in the movie in the TV show. They do the very similar thing. Except they make smash I that I was so lost on. I did not get it. I get I get like I. It can happen and like it. They can come back in and not hurt again. 'cause that happened when my dad's players When he was at Piedmont in basketball he died for a loose ball and this new this year that he was a he was a dude like he was all state basketball. Also football and literally like save. Who Leaves Ball in? Anadarko runs into like the Little separators in the Isle of the stand and runs into that with his shoulder dislocates. It checks himself out of the game goes around to the other side POPs his shoulder back in like on the wall like pumps the shoulder back in by himself on the wall and then runs right back in and checked himself back in. I think he finished the game with like thirty two. My man a guy more. What do you what to do what they've done but I just didn't see why that was like important because it didn't affect him at all so I don't know I mean he's coming through adversity. I get it but also like nothing else like okay smash scored at good okay. Final question and I'm done obviously like I said Dillon. Panthers ended up winning. Everyone CELEBRATES TIM. Riggins have to assume that he has a crazy nights. Smash is going to have a great time. How does buddy garrity celebrate the state title? I WanNA think about it. He puts on his old letterman jacket and his own savoring and jerks off. I don't know no doubt. There's absolutely stunning took into that affect your his old letterman jacket and his old state championship ring. While he's crying tears of joy while he's crying tears of joy. Rain ceremony is Super Awkward. Because I thought it was all the parents and then you find out. Oh it's just random former football players that are giving these guys the rings and taking photos. Would you want that to the parents to be the parents or at least like early? Type the head coach. Do it to every player. But you know or or assistant coaches something like that but just random people all right. That's all I got. I Miss Anything Major thought it was hilarious. How coach Taylor went from like King of high school football to like grunt work and he missed practice. Because he's expendable at team. You go take that guy. His hearing the Tiem you stuff is just I you know. Obviously I'm not in the coaching world. I soon as probably how it is right. Like you're the king of your castle. The high school level. Then you go up to the collegiate level. It's like Oh yeah. You're basically back to me. An intern right. You got to you got to those rules. You GotTa Pay Your dues you gotta Pay Your dues. Yep Arman Well. I appreciate you as always end. Guess we'll watch the rest of three episodes of season two next week. Fifteen episodes in season two thirteen the rest of the way. So I don't know can only but it's been fun. We have been fun. I'm looking forward to looking forward to seeing Sarasin and Carlita Thank you Chris. Thanks Crass dammit Ivan but no no I am looking forward to you as always perfect man. We'll talk to you next week. But thanks as always sir just.

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Prdication du frre Accou Lazard dans le titre Soutenir l'ducation adventiste

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102: Every Day is Broom Day

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28:26 min | 1 year ago

102: Every Day is Broom Day

"Hey guys it's Rachel Hollis and I'm here with my friend. Trent Shelton was originally. How you doing? I'm living the dream man. We you tell listeners why we're hanging out together right now. We're hanging out because we're launching my new podcast straight up and I'm super excited so rad. If you guys are not already familiar they were threat. He has millions and millions of fans all around the globe who come to him for a very unique style of coaching. Yeah we're unique straight. The point is really as I can put it straight from the heart and breaking through those negative mindsets breaking through of what's holding you back in people's lives and long form love that so if you guys want to hear more you're already listening on podcast platform go subscribe to straight up with Trent Shelton. Let's go let's get it. It's the morning show that no one unknown said no one is talking about. I said no one is talking about but if they did they way to start I to gave morning good morning. Welcome thirty minute delay. I can't control the universe. Listen I'm doing my the best year. We have a lot of moving parts. Welcome to Tuesday on the star of the morning show. My name is Dave. I am married to Rachel the holidays you're watching the extraordinary high quality feed of the Star of the morning show on her feed. But I tell you what. She's not here today. She is shooting her her show for Quimby. I am excited or it. Welcome happy Tuesday we're jumping righted. We don't have time to waste today. You're jumping right in Dan. When I was running my long run my last long run? A few days ago I happened to have mentioned the story. It is important that there's a teachable. teachable moment at the things that are happening at the Hollis House this morning. We're going to start with the person named Roger Bannister. Ladies and gentlemen do you know who Roger Bannister Canisters Roger Bannister was a runner. Navy still is for all I know. No He's not alive anymore but anyway he was a runner for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years people. Try to run a four minute mile. Four minute mile people trying to run a four minute mile or centuries since the beginning of time since people were running lighting on roads trying to set time records. People are trying to break the four minute mile and then along comes a guy named Roger Bannister. One thousand nine hundred fifty four Roger bannister ends up breaking the four minute mile bear in the four-minute mile barrier. He doesn't in a way that command people never thought was believable. They just didn't think it was possible. Hundreds rids of years thousands and thousands and thousands of people tried to break the four minute mile barrier and the nineteen fifty four Lankan's Roger Bannister puts on his shoes. One foot at a time just like you and Iran's Ah four minute mile and here's here's what's crazy about this story. He held the record for the fastest mile for forty six days. Hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years what centuries of time people are trying to break a four minute mile and forty six days later. This guy is now not the fastest mile runner on the planet. Because someone what else comes along and runs an under four minute mile. That's faster than his four-minute mile and the question is why why did after. After centuries and centuries and centuries of time someone break a record and then have that record broken forty six days later because there was no proof in the universe of its possibility. Ladies and Gentlemen Good Morning it's Tuesday. There was approve of. Its possibility someone saw that. It was possible to break a four minute mile and and so they went out put on their shoes. Just like you do. And they ran faster than anyone had ever. Previously believed was possible for centuries in centuries entries in centuries of time because they saw in someone else the practical possibility of actually being able to be a thing that can happen and anything a thing but now it's possible. They believed that it was an it happens and sense there are fourteen hundred human mundy's that have run faster than the four minute mile. Fourteen hundred people who saw the possibility of what was actually a thing that they they could achieve because of having seen it in someone else they just went out put on their shoes and they ran and they ran faster than humanity. Collectively collectively believed was possible for centuries centuries at a time which brings me to what was happening inside of the Hollis Hollis House this morning segue good morning. It's Tuesday. I hope that you are having a nice morning. My name is Dave my wife. She's not here. She is shooting onset today or show comes out in April. They are shooting on the episodes this week this morning in the house you may have Yourself been witnessed on the Internet to the phenomenon that is literally. Oh Dave bad joke sweeping the nation. There's a broom challenge. There is a challenge that is going around the being Internet and my kids because they are influenced by technology. Elegy stories means what's happening in social media just like y'all are are up early to show me the thing that they've learned and from the Internet. Thank you Internet for teaching our children so well. There's a story going around the Internet over the last handful as that yesterday right yesterday. Today was the single day that the gravitational pull pull as reported by NASA right as reported by NASA as a the single day that the gravitational pull of the universe will allow you to lead a broom. Stand on its its own and so here we are this morning. Let's go here. We are this morning. Boys are up early. They got drastic breakfast because it's ruled time. It's broom season Hollis House and they've heard this story that today on this day of all days. This is the day that you can stand your broom. This is the day this is the day. Yep Boom put the broom on the ground it can stand straight up so I get up my phone because I think it's like Bill Nye. The science guy shown up. And I'm like yes I am here for this. Let Me Watch you get connected. It's science show me showy what you can do. Show me what you can do what you believe in the power of gravitated opole because NASA told you like NASA sending emails around everyone. Hey guys it's broom season yet your rooms out and so they are. They are like what I did did look what I did. Look at what I did. I can have a science show. I should be in a science book. I stood a broom up straight up tall. They got the one point and literally. This song came on champions begins. Queen is playing in my kitchen there. The champions they figured out science right they are so impressed with themselves and to be honest As a proud dad. I'm like do we have any metals that we can give away. Do we have. Is there anything that we can do. That would help provide so someone some kind of affirmation that they are seen in this moment of science. I WANNA celebrate you for believing in nor sell to make that grew stand on Broome Day here in Austin Texas so I recorded I celebrated rated it. I told them how proud I was and I walked away and I turned back around. I said do you think that maybe the Bruce stands up any day and then I brushed it off because I was like no. There is no way. There's just no way there is no possible way. That brooms rooms could stand up any day. There's no way and then sure enough. CNN or MS NBC ABC or CBS. News I don't know what it is but some news source that I actually leave. I looked up. This thing mean was invented in two thousand twelve. This thing about grew standing up happening eight years ago years ago and it circulating violating the Internet. Just like every other crazy mean does room stand up every day. I mean it's not broom day EH. Every day is broom day. Every day is Brunette. What is the point of the story? Dave what is the point of the story won. The point of the story story was to try and weave in a Queen Song at nine forty in the morning. So you're welcome but the real point of the story is my kids believed believed from authority of someone else that offend that they did not think was possible. Any other day was possible. Pull on this day of all days. Because of Internet's because of mean because of the irrevocable suggestion that NASA had declared today Broom Day because of gravitational forces that are not real. It's dumb those better. It's Dorothy slippers. I it's like come on. Come on if you're looking for a sign that you are a firmed every day that you are good and ready to run on these roads or show up for your family or do the work that you're this is the sign. This is the sign it. If when you if you're someone new has fallen into the like power of persuasion kind of trap then let me persuade. Swayed you into believing that you are good you are worthy. You are not right all the things because man if a mean for eight years ago could give my kids a confidence in ability to stack of room up. What could you believe in yourself for a single day okay? Let's let's go. I mean literally. Let's go I don't WanNa be again but uh all right enough of that enough that ladies and Gentlemen Good Morning Still Tuesday. Rachel Hollis still not here. If you're looking for a sign that you should go and just leaving you stop for the day this still your sign. Good Morning Appreciate you being here. I put that story originally about Roger Bannister when I was running in preparation for a marathon. Now five days away from if you thought you were going to get off the hook having to listen to talk about running you tune turns you pop. You've tuned into the wrong morning. Show people you have tuned into the wrong morning show. I share that story while I was running because on the a day I was doing my longest run I had just the week. Previous done Half Marathon where I I did an under to our half marathon which I like is not man. It's not like the most amazing craziest you you know. Think of the entire universe. I'll tell you what for me. It was a personal record. I did a half marathon under two hours. I felt super proud of it. But more than anything keeping I now had proof. Like the person who ran the format mile after Roger Bannister that I was capable of running the and under to our half marathon and so the next weekend when I went out had a long run. I'd run twenty miles that day. I just went out and ran the first thirteen gene in an hour and fifty five minutes and I say just like you know it was no big deal but the reality is because I had crew from the previous weekend of my ability to to do it I just did it. I just did it and so if nothing else I want you to find. I want you to find examples samples in the universe of people who are doing the things you aspire to do to give you the confidence that you are capable of doing them yourself if you can find in someone who's doing something that you hope to grow into like being able to break the taboo or the mysticism of the whatever that you might have around around in something that is exclusively available to them but not you hot wash. I'm using words like hogwash. That's Hogwash you are as available will for anything anyone else's you've got to choose that you are in the new work right. I had a conversation when I was in Puerto Rico with getting Tom Bill you. Tom Has had crazy. Amazing Hariri built this. Very big company called nutrition and he now runs something called impacts there and I was asking them a little bit about his mindset and he like answering the question of your part of an upcoming rise together podcast but he said look. I'm unbelievably average. Judge Person I am an unbelievably average person and I am connected to the reality that every single one of us has the the same opportunity to do it literally anything that we decide to do if we choose to do the work and he went into like describing like he was not a person who is thought of as someone who can have a business that would succeed his father in law. The declined his asking for his wife's hand when he first met him he. You know there's a whole host of things that kind of laid out man yet. He has had some things that are the outside may have appeared to be not the best signal for someone who create the kind of career that ultimately he created and Litas decided. Look I have to the sign every day that I am as capable the opportunities that sit in front of me as anybody else. I'd have to do the work and you decide you're going to have to decide to do the same. That all right ladies and gentlemen there is a new new rise. podcast up today. You may be familiar with this. It is black history month and so on the rise. PODCAST this morning. Rachel interviews interviews our good friend very good friend. The emcee of the rise events rinnie beans baron to have have a conversation about black history month Black history is history and so if you are interested man I encourage you tune in. It's a good conversation part conversation or ask who lead into talk about on this. I wrote a book reading time. Tuesday time I wrote a book called. Get Out of your own way. I want to read you a little bit out of chapter that I wrote specifically about the idea. The lie of this chapter is the lie that I know what you've been through. I know what you've been through so I grew up in a very homogeneous town like everybody looked. The Same Atkinson believed the same was the same. I did not have many friends that were different than me. In terms of their life experience I did not have a perspective to appreciate what they've been through and on a day when there's a rice podcast about Rachel really trying to understand from the perspective of a person of color. What black history month means to them? You only read a little bit out of this book. This is again a chapter. I know what you've been through. Which is why I do not know what you've been through Before note hello. My wife and I adopted our youngest daughter in what was the happy ending to a Harrowing Five Year your adoption journey in the beginning we thought we were adopting from Ethiopia at the time. Another couple from our church successfully completed the international national adoption process and their success gave us confidence to step into the adoption space. There were so many things that we didn't know but the one thing when we did you'll barely certain about. was that if we were to successfully complete this mission we would have a baby who did not look like us. We'd have a baby who had a different skin color from us. Different cultural background from us and different needs for connecting to who she was before she was part of our family so we decided added the finding intentionally multicultural community that we learn as much as we could for our daughter to be. I'm embarrassed to even write this out but back then. I thought I had a pretty good handle on race. I thought because I read books about Martin Luther King and watch documentaries about the civil rights movement and felt like. I was a pretty pretty aware person that I had a decently solid grip on what it was to be a person of Color in the twentieth century in America I wasn't overly confident about it but it was a humbling experience to injured environment that introduced me to a different life experience. When we joined are intentionally while the cultural church I was able to see how wrong I then? I've got a new. It was like to be black in America but I'd never had the experience of doing truly doing live with someone who's black. How are intentionally multicultural congregations by the people of raises the come together for worship as it turns out real talk about about daily life current events and the occasional push into harder conversations? This new community created friendships across the spectrum of race and had US learn each week from an African in America Pastor and sitting with people who share the same interest in worship despite the variety of differences in each of our lives up to that point at first. I didn't feel that difference in that environment was different from most of our church experiences and then in two thousand fourteen the names Eric Garner Arnor. Michael Brown rice became part of different kinds of conversation a year earlier stories on the news of these kids being shot with not likely have been something. The thing that I spent as much time thinking about they'd probably would have simply been new story showing up on my feet and as much as would have struck me as sad. I can honestly honestly say I wouldn't have probably given as much consideration to how these events affects people in their everyday technically people of color. But now as I was trying to get a handle on what to expect for our daughter of color I witnessed firsthand. How my friends community process these headlines? In a way that I had did not have to consider before I remember talking with a friend from church. Asked me if I'd ever considered having a conversation with my son's about what what to do if they were pulled over like step by step what to do to keep them safe this dad. This African American Dad was doing it in real time with his a young children to prepare them. Verbal greets them differently than it does not and yet it had never occurred. The world treats his kids this differently. I thought I understood that on an intellectual level but until I was talking with a friend who had a name in the seat next to me it didn't land the way it should have. Parents have a long history of teaching the kids how to interact with police than I've never really known reflects my reality to that point. It reflects privilege. It provoked a different set of questions in a longer conversation. About so many phase it led to a workshop on something called Racial Reconciliation Church group that took a civil rights tour through the south brought back stories. All Santa confirmed that not only did not have have a handle on race but that I will never ever fully grasp all I can do is try to push into community to learn earn and listen and connect with experiences that I don't have myself to get closer every day to understand it. I talked about this experience at Disney and led the leadership team to ask if I would consider being an executive sponsor of a black employee resource room. I wanted to learn about experiences of who are employees of colors so I said yes and I immersed myself in another environment that introduced me to things that I hadn't previously thought about. We talked about a wide range of topics. The kind that the kind of hair that would go on a doll on the Disney channel show better ways to connect to our customers of color. It was in this role role as an executive sponsor that I found myself in extraordinary moment that will stick with me forever one afternoon a showrunner from ABC. He came over to the Disney campus. For a conversation about what they were coming up for the show of the next broadcast season made my suede with seat. Small Theater in about halfway through I became aware of something I became aware of what I hadn't noticed and frankly hadn't ever experienced before I was one of four white people in an auditorium of two hundred twenty. I don't think I had ever in my life paid attention to the composition of an audience before that very moment probably because I traditionally been in the majority in a world where more often than not I've been sitting with white men of a certain age. It had never occurred to me what it might be like so not be like everyone else in a theatre when we got the question and a answer portion of the program I did not move. I had always been quick to throw my head in the air in the past. But I didn't feel comfortable making an observation as as someone who was different in the room. I stifled myself because of my difference and one of the first times in my life wondered if this was how someone who's the single person of color one of the only women in the room or one of the only members of the LGBT unity in the room how they might feel Lynn there route number. Not that may not be the reality for everyone who identifies as parts of any of these groups but the fact that it landed on me back day that way provoked a new set of questions that I had never considered before it stuck with me in a good one so anyway That entire chapter ends up being a conversation around a whole variety of instances where the Hubris of my experience had me believing that I had a handle handle on what it was like to be you. Whoever you are and one of the most beautiful things about this community that shows up here for every single day is that we are not saying? We don't look the same act. The same boat same believed the same. We have unbelievably different and life experiences and hopefully in sharing a little bit of what a life experience that you individually have to a group like like this. That might have had a history like mine that was removed from the possibility understanding on a deeper level. What it's like have life happened like yours? That's the that's the potential to smooth out some of the rough edges of our harder connected empathy in a way that sees he's someone and their experience but doesn't have the Hubris to think that you understand what they've gone through just the want to get closer to maybe understand in a little bit better when it's like slack history month I want to encourage you one. We need to celebrate lack history month. Not just this month the freeway frankly every month but I also want to encourage you to try to find a way to lean closer. Sue this community to understand a little bit of what their life experience in the history of of African Americans in this country or any country may be have gone through so in an appreciation for their experience. It may be changes the way that you think about everything we've Gone Paul. Circle went Roger Bannister to the broom. Challenge to talking about the lie. I know what you've been through. It's Tuesday I WANNA. I really encourage whoever needs to hear this. Believe believe in you being the person who was perfectly totally equipped to do the work that is on your hearts yet. There are other people out there that are doing it and if you believe a narrative that there's to do that you can't I am here to tell you you can if you're looking for a sign. Hello Good Morning. Happy Tuesday. I'll be your sign. Go out there and believe in yourself. Have a fantastic day. You've got to put up with me for one more day tomorrow. Rachel's got one more day of shooting them. We'll be back together together on Thursday as a couple of united feel so good have a great day. We'll see our tomorrow. Hey guys thank you for listening to the start today morning. Show podcast if you want to actually see the episodes. Make sure you tune in on the morning. Every weekday eight am am central on facebook and instagram. Basically every channel we half our theme song is from Sarah Sunshine. 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5/15: What Is Your 2019 College Football Dream Match-Up? + Will Sammon

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5/15: What Is Your 2019 College Football Dream Match-Up? + Will Sammon

"Welcome to the audible presented by trader Joe's, I'm Stewart Mandel joined by Bruce Feldman and we're going to be joined by one of our colleagues a little bit later. We'll salmon are Florida writer about quite a bit of drama going on in Gainesville right now. But first off, Bruce, I just wanna thank your employer. I'm really looking forward to some great noon eastern sauce football games this season. Yeah, that is that's out there. I think that one of the things that my bosses at FOX seizes the would you look at a Michigan Wisconsin game if years ago, or certainly the Texas. Oh you game which is actually on eleven AM local time kick they've seen some really good traction that it gives the pre-game show which they've done from onsite as well in that we revamped, our pregame show with Brady Quinn, leaving art through going to the studio and Reggie Bush and urban Meyer joining lighter. Rob stone. So I. That's something. So you'll see a lot of Gus Johnson Joel Klatt crew doing that noon game. I don't think it's going to be I don't think it's going necessarily every time that, but I think there's going to be an added emphasis to try to try to get get a lot of big games into that noon window that doesn't mean that because FOX has the big ten the big twelve in the pact while it doesn't mean that there won't be some big Pac twelve games. They just won't be at nine AM ninety m local time, you know, you you'll still whether it's an Oregon Washington game or whatever. I mean those games still will be when they were gonna, you know, when they think it's best to plan, but, you know, we've got a bunch of changes at FOX, and this is a little bit of the shift as it's going forward think it's an interesting strategy as I wrote in my mailbag on up, Wednesday, I think, is not for there, because primetime gotten very crowded. And when you think about the if you watch game day whatever time zone you're in league horse. Oh, put. On the head year. He's at some huge, you know some sight of some huge game that's going on. Let's say it's the big SEC game that day or it's the big primetime game. So everybody's fired up. He puts on the headgear and then they then they toss it to, you know, a Perdue Iowa game. That's noon on ESPN. So I think there's a there's an opportunity there for FOX also just seems like suddenly everybody network TV wants to move things earlier, because ABC PIN announced their first three ABC primetime games of the season. We'll be organ Arbor. N- LSU, Texas and Clemson Syracuse, and they are those games in the past voice Bennett. They come on to eight PM eastern, they don't actually kick to like a fifteen or twenty. Now, they're gonna be seven thirty and people who who end up getting stuck up till midnight or later on the east coast watching these games. And we got to be happy about that to me, as somebody who I don't mind west based games. That ended midnight that doesn't bother me the half hour. Our I don't too. It's like is usually there's a game on after that to so the half hour is like, oh, that's a, a reason for celebrate or not. But, but it is interesting at noon windows, pretty ripe. You know we've had some games. I did a couple of years. I did a Michigan state opening Penn State game in that noon window. That was a three and a half hour delay game. That's still a huge number because a lot of times, you know, as you said, the competitions not great in that window us, you know, we did my crew last year late near Nebraska was really struggling Nebraska came into all state. We were on at noon that game over five million audience five million fans in that noon window. So it's, you know, again, some little this is behind the scenes inside baseball stuff. But, you know, for a lot of fans, I think they may will plan accordingly to go Kay. Well, you know, you hear a lot of people say they want those earlier games. I remember on his probably four or five. Years ago. Matt wells was coach at Utah state and talking about mountain west Mead as he was like I would love to play every game at one o'clock, and there's a lot of folks who think that so earlier in the day, and we'll see, you know, I think there's still a lot of stuff acidy released in terms of win scheduling usually more details come out at the end of the month rather than the middle may. But right, just as we're getting closer to the start of the season, Stu, and that's a good thing to be clear. Bruce, I think the coaches love earlier games. I don't think the fans do in most places because if this means Oklahoma's gonna be playing at eleven AM central more even more often than they do now. Like that's not ideal for Oklahoma fans, that's less tailgating times, earlier start. But as you know, TV pays a lot of money to show these games TV calls the shots. And the people actually go to the games are, I mean, this isn't new just kind of have to arrange their lives around it. That's the way it's been for some time. I wanted to. Bring up interesting item in the news on Tuesdays a little wonky to try to get into, but it is a big deal. The NCAA's establishing a working group because that's what the NCAA does whenever an issue comes up. They form a committee to examine name, image and likeness. So if you're not familiar with that phrase, think back to the Ed O'Bannon case from five years ago, which was started, because that'll be an and saw himself in the NCA, EA sports, video game and wondered how it was that they could be using his image and likeness and not compensate him. And so this issue is hovered out there for you. No longer than five years. This whole decade and recently a couple of congressmen have threatened to introduce legislation that would require the NCAA to compensate athletes for name, image and likeness. And so nothing prompts people to action more than the threat of legislation. So they are forming this working group. It is chaired by Val Ackerman Commissioner of the big east and there are some. Names on there. You would definitely recognize gene Smith the Ohio State AD, and Bob Dole's, be the big twelve Commissioner. But it's also got people from Springfield college and Henderson state, and Bruce, did you know that there is a school in Lubbock, besides, Texas Tech Lubbock Christian I do because I read your columns morning, by the way. Can you name the most famous Henderson state product? I cannot you've ever ROY green great receiver for the cardinals like. I think he was a understand stay crossed. None of this is to smirk at Henderson state, but just to point out that none of those schools are ever going to have to deal with profits from name, image, and likeness, but this being the NCAA wanting to include everybody, they are including division to individual three representatives on this committee. So, look, I don't know what will come out of it, but for years and years, the NCAA has not even wanted to acknowledge that this is the thing anything had to do remotely do with money to athletes just got a mmediately demonized, and I kind of deceiving. They've tried to mislead the public a little bit into thinking that to calling all this stuff pay for play when, in fact there's a big difference between paper play as in, we're going to cut a cut a salary put the employees put the players on the payroll, cut them a salary versus, hey, you know, maybe we make all these millions and millions of dollars to us. There, you know, images names. Maybe they deserve a little bit of cloud of that. So they are at least open to discussing it. You know, it's interesting because when I hear this just thinking about okay, this will be right with the chance for boosters, and people are connected to programs to manipulate it, and right for cheating, and abuse, but the reality, I think, now is an, an are from Pat forty wrote this this week, we're kind of at that point anyway. I mean look, you seen the basketball scandal. I mean just from the coaches, I talked to, they feel like cheating in college football now is worse than it has been in the time that you and I have covered the sport. So let's see where this goes. I'm curious to see what comes of if anything I tend to think it will be on the more conservative side. I mean, people immediately jump to that end games coming back, does this mean that we talked about this couple of weeks ago, guys are gonna be able to do autograph signings and cardio ship endorsements. Yeah. Wouldn't go that far. Just yet. I think that the fact that they're all these division to vision three people on their tells me that they're looking for something that they can do that was show them to. They'll be able to say, hey look, we're doing something we're being proactive. We're being reactive actually, but we're not willing to rock the boat too much and I don't know. We'll see, but it is a significant moment. But the actually put out that press release and form this committee, and is actually going to discuss this as a real thing. There's been a lot of news lately, surrounding the Florida Gators, most of not good. So we wanna take us opportunity to find out a little bit more. What's been going on off the field in Gainesville with arrests and transfers, and Dan Mullins Hawking's back to Georgia? And so for what he said guitar guests. All right stew, and now we're pleased to be joined by our guest. He has the athletes, Florida beat writer will salmon who's done a really good job for us as our subscribers already know. But it's been an interesting time. To Florida, Dan Mullins first year went really well on the field. They finished off the season with a big bowl win and then finished recruiting with flourish in the last month or so things have gotten pretty messy there and just as we bring will on here. So you I had the some of the sequences off. But you had a recruiting director, assistant, director player personnel, get arrested for stocking. And then you had a couple of players including quarterback freshman quarterbacks recruit get accused of sexual assault, yet another player yet, arrested for believe, grabbing his girlfriend by the throat, and you had this, Chris Steele story of their top recruit, who has since transferred. And there was some reports that we're gonna get into will. And in addition, they lost some commitments will have gotten the whole of it or is there some other stuff that hasn't that that's kind of Bubba. Up as well. Believe it or not prove your time line is pretty accurate almost percent there. I think that you forgot the or at least neglected to mention DeMarcus Bowman from lakeland pipeline school for Florida over the years, deciding to go to Clemson which was a real gut punch for Florida fans. But all that recruiting stuff, that's like the Arash and the off the field concerns is the backdrop to some recruiting concerns, which obviously takes second fiddle to the more important issues at hand but it's certainly thing where they have to overcome. Also had this in the backdrop of Dan Mullen on the booster circuit against took some shots in tweet, Georgia, you know, of all places, and I don't wanna say the blown up in his face. But there's been so much drama around. You f really since then that has come out if you're a Florida fan, this is obviously good. I season on the field. Like how concern you should you be with some of these headlines? Some of these stories, the great question I think, part of the needling at Dan Mullen did was in fun, but he was also sort of proving a point that as you put it could get thrown back in his face, and, and people can say, well, we'll get you. Now, you know what are you have to say about this? One of those things was if we're bringing in recruits or players, and they're turning around right away and leaving. That's a poor reflection of the program. I'm paraphrasing there. But that was the gist of what he said. And now we've seen well, two guys crystal Jalen Jones, two important pieces to that class. They just find they're no longer here now to be fair to, to moan and what he was trying to say. I think I can't be in the guy's head. But I think that he was referring to on the field. And okay, if I'm selling somebody like playing time or if I'm set selling somebody's your physician, and they get here. Not what I said it was going to be, then that's a poor reflection. But, you know, people are not going to add that sort of nuance or context. I mean, like what he said, was what he said, and he has to go with the consequences of that every single time they brought up and, and into his face the question about how concerning is it? Well, it's pretty I think it's pretty concerning that you have these huge issues. I mean there's, there's no way to get around. There's no way to get over it or around it. If you're you at a bad look horrible UK to have multiple players, at least two accused of doing horrific things, so women. I mean, that's just there's nothing you could say other than underscore, the idea that's horrible from Florida horrible for the people involved and a kind of just puts everything else in respect as to what's important and what we could actually say is not as much of a concern. Now, if you look at the issues by themselves, you could say, okay, these are individuals. Making poor decisions in some respects, like a Brian Edwards. You mentioned was arrested and charged shrinking his girlfriend where his ex-girlfriend that have anything to do with all the field stack are being accused of cyber stalking. Well, they're two different people, making two very bad decisions, apparently, but they also fall under the umbrella of their related to UFO football. And so the accumulation of all of it is, is my being very concerning something that they have to taste had on dress in terms of the some moving away, a little bit from the disciplinary issues, but to just Dan Mullen and recruiting, you know, I remember last summer, his first before you even coach to game Florida fans are getting very panicky 'cause they weren't at that time their classes ranked very low. He has bringing guys yet. And then they closed very well I think they actually finished in the top Tanner or very close to it. But now I'm hearing the same concerns. And you mentioned the guy that got away to Clemson and I remember on top of all the other Florida stuff. You guys admission. They also announced two home in homes, which. Has really big deal for Florida, given it never leaves the state, I one was Colorado and I remember I screen shot at the Scott stricklin tweet about at the very first response was who cares. If we don't start recruiting veteran, or you're just gonna get embarrassed by these teams. So then Mon is very respected as a coach, who for what he did Mississippi State for coaching back Prescott, and so on and so forth. But do we think he can recruit at the level you need to, to do what for expect, which frankly, has to contend for national championships? You're and a half into what he was hired. In November twenty seventeen. So, yeah, I mean he's still he's still on the face it, we're yes to prove it, and keep proving it. Because you're right. He's known for Xs and os for scheming for his offense. Nobody's ever said he's a great recruiter or at least nobody was ever truthful. They said that. And the and, and that's not the same as bad recruiter or like that. But he has to recruit at different level that he's used to the kind of I don't wanna excuse. But the one of the reasons why they may have gotten off to a slow start last year was because they were not recruiting the kids at Mississippi State has just nothing pulled that you work with over there. And this what, you know, Florida. Yeah, he recruited some of the powerhouses and got their three-star prospects every once in a while when he wasn't in place. Certainly for these five star kids and the height, high-calibre four-star guys that right? The powerhouse programs in Florida that not only that you have the battle, Florida state and Miami. But pretty much everybody early elite programs like George Alabama now Clemson Vic says, well, so that was the sort of background or something that people would point to say, okay, he needed to forge these relationships and build them and your seniors. Okay. I serve by that to some degree. Although we've seen other coaches. Go win and had success right away and, and just have better starts. They're recruiting cycle than imploded last time. But if you do buy that, if you buy that line of thinking you look at this year, and you're like, okay. Well, I can we kind of have the same issues that we took last year. So how possible it was that reason in the first place. And I think a lot of it comes down to on your staff. I mean Christian Robinson their linebackers coach young guys player. He's really proven his jobs in the recruiting trail. He's a guy who if you call and ask them, you know, who created you who's talking to you. His name pops up quite a quite a bit senior, Larry Scott coach, very familiar, people, Florida from various programs, who is. But other than that, you have a lot of guys who work under previously a John Hennessy a billion dollars. And those guys quite frankly, liked him own are not exactly known for their recruiting shots. They're known for exit scheming offense developing. Those are their big hallmarks and calling cards, damn not recruiting and I don't. See damn oh and making sort of stack changes because he's very loyal to his guys. Their offense has worth the approved that it could work at Florida this past season. So I mean I get it. But it's just the prove it on the field stuff. I get that argument. But man, you got the signing period these days like he's around like that people can waiting around January February to make decisions and they're feeling the brunt of that. And you know can they overcome that they proved it last year they finish number dine, and they pulled some rabbit out of their hat? I guess with Chris Bogle on signing day and cure, you will the hotshot cornerback out of West Palm Beach, so yeah, they proved that they could do it. But I mean if I'm a Florida fan, I'm a little ANSI. I mean my waiting till signing year now because he like, okay, maybe we're still in the mix this kid. I mean that's, that's walking a tight rope. F N. Don't wanna walk you getting back to the, their top recruit this past year in the news really that can't that's been around Florida in the last few days was related. To Chris Steele. He's a southern California kid top fifty player was already enrolled, you advance story this week at the athlete with your sit down with e Scott Strickland, as so it's a little murky now. I mean what so his roommate crystals roommate was Jaylen Jones, four star duels, wreck quarterback? Dan Mullen, brought in there were multiple allegations from women about him. And so it got reported both by the Gainesville sun, and by ESPN that Christine had gone to believe, to Dan Mullen and had issue with Jalen Jones. Now again, I don't I this could get into a he said, she said, I think what's really going to be fascinating. What this story has also Christine is probably going to try to get a eligiblity waiver to be eligible, this fall as a transfer at Oregon and, you know, it's going to be interesting to see what he says, and what the timing is what can you tell us? Now about about what, what you what Florida stance is on this. Well, I, I think it's also important to say that even based on those reports it was always sort of unclear who crystal made request requests to if he did. In fact, make him at the time that is reported that he did. And so when it happened who he made those requests to wife, Florida would not grant request that, that time, also question that was unanswered. Although saying those reports that, hey, they kind of were thinking about move making switch sometime in the summer. I've heard some conflicting information regarding when Christie oil supposedly were reportedly I should say, made that request change dorms and in fact, some people have even suggested to me that maybe crystal said, Jalen Jones should be removed from the dorm, and not Christie himself. Those are some things that I've heard as well. And I think that. It's roof is important when you're trying to figure out what is like, who who's at fault or what exactly happened here because I think it's interesting that you mentioned the fact that he told the idea actually that he told them on, which the Gainesville report, did not include that. But that's kind of like what people jump to is that he did tell them all and, and Dan ball and either, do anything getting that quickly enough, and I think that's a little bit unfair at this point, just because we don't know if that even went up to jam and hundred percent. I mean Christie, if you did say something, like, hey, I don't wanna room with this guy or this guy doing X, Y Z, that's wrong. We don't know who told that, too. And so we don't know if or when that every got up, Dan Mon either. So those are some big questions in my opinion that still remain with this, and Scott stricklin himself said yesterday in that, you name that you mentioned that he can say that what is being recorded an incomplete account of circumstances as he understood? Them which, you know, doesn't say whole lot. But at the same time, that's the first time anybody from Florida has ever suggested that there is more to this story, then what has been put out there. The one thing that I guess ESPN had said was, I don't report is a little bit against the sun. One was that he made a request just to separate himself from Jalen Jones wasn't necessarily, who is changing rooms or not. So I don't know if they I mean like you said, there's a lot of stuff that is murky about this, and also that, Dan Mullen, I guess, in his wife, according to ESPN had travelled out to southern California, subsequent to this story to try to get him to rejoin the team, which obviously is not happening now that he's announced he's going to Oregon, so again, because of the nature of this because of the nature of the waiver process in a student. I talked about in other cases, you know, you often do not you're a lot of details and behind the scenes of what happens. What's alleged on these waivers? And what? NCAA alternately, decides well, I know I know I know them more public. I know. So he's already announced he's going to Oregon, and obviously, he'll try to get a waiver. You know, whatever he puts in that way, request, you know, as we've seen it other situation, Florida, needs to sign off on it. You a much better chance of getting approved a Florida supports the crest. And if so, if he puts things in there that they believe are not true or agitated, you know, they may try to block it. So but if he just says that if they're waiver as well. He wanted to be closer to home, you as homesick that waivers. Probably not getting approved right? Granted Oregon's on the west coast. It isn't that much, you know, like or like, well, it's still Pac twelve it's like a four hour trip to get from LA to the university of Oregon's to our flight to our drive. So I going to talk he's going to say that he didn't feel safe or something that affect because of the situation there, the dorms and but then then. Request goes back to Florida and Florida has to, I don't know it could get, frankly, based on what we're hearing now, based on wheels telling us I mean could kind of ugly. I think so. And I think it's also worth mentioning that when the report that included the two separate allegations against Jalen Jones became public Christie was mentioned in those reports as just a witness Nova reported wrongdoing whatsoever in those reports, but, but his name is there. And so I think it's worth just throwing out there that, you know, if I'm parent of somebody in. That's my kid. I pre pre missed that might kids never report, if I didn't if my kid to do anything because certainly in public perception. And why vols fans and all that they run with that. And all of a sudden it's not exactly what's in the report, but it's a bunch of other rumors. And and yet, you'll just Rome with agents for these Accu. So I could see that from there. From their perspective. It's just the fact that it didn't quite, even if that say was the tipping point there with coming from that sort of campus you will didn't stop there. It also included the roommate request and all that. But just I think it's weren't thrown out there though, that if that's my kid, I wouldn't I wouldn't blame them for transferring, I guess with that issue. It's not something I wanted us though she'd with probably well, I guess, bringing Paul circle, so they are not the first program to have a lot of turmoil in the offseason. And generally speaking a goes out the window. If the team that has a really good season. People people with like crisis at the time dissipate. So for good first season ten and three good bowl win. You know, they are measuring themselves against Georgia at this point. Georgia's supposed to be a top three team. What do you expect at this point on the field this season? All field you still have the question Mark of their offense of line replacing four starters. The loss of Christie was somewhat significant just because. You're relying on a healthy. Marco Wilson to comeback pretty much hundred percent right away from that ACL injury that he suffered and Kentucky early last season. And you just don't know what you're going to be able to count on four. He's an exceptional player, and he's recounted him and she Jay Henderson of make quite Juliette cornerback in the SEC, but he Chris, you'll were was their third guy with their third corner, and he was going to be there starter in probably twenty twenty but for this season that like that, that, Jeff, there's question, Mark again, and it hurt them against Georgia, particularly last year, the offense of line is huge question Mark, because they had to replace four guys and not for nothing. But the guys that who, who are emerging for these roles now or an exactly pushing for starting jobs last year as part of its you that first unit last year had some struggles in some games. And the reason why they didn't make changes was because they did not feel comfortable in these guys who are now going to be taking starting jobs now can happen. Over overtime, and they still have time to to get better and improve the vote. But as of right now, as a huge question, Mark for me. You would think that bay Franks tastes another step forward. You don't know how big step that's going to be based on whatever ceiling is. But he does seem to have some tools of some role tools that we send, and we'll see he working with veteran group at wide receiver in some capable running back and tight ends. And then defensively they should be they should be fine. Pretty similar to last year. Even though they lost Hypolite the John Bernard from Louisville has rusher. So I think they probably could be around where they were last year. I don't know. I don't expect him to be instantly better than that. I don't expect them to help by team. But if you're telling me that they still finished in the top ten maybe twelve. Yeah. That kinda still makes sense to me. I get the reasoning behind including them in a preseason top ten but they still have to prove that to me that there at least good enough to remain there just because that offense a line, and, and some questions on. Offense as well. But yeah, I mean the Christie laws when you compare it to sure, I mean Florida's a team without any five stars on pie roster. Let alone classes, assigned Christie, was there, closes things that tells you need to know as far as a town, script between Georgia, Florida, right now, the interesting times, Bruce, that's an interesting staff that Florida, you would think somebody got a bunch of high force still that is interesting vice star guys on the roster. If you don't already or follow, we'll Sam and we encourage you to he's fantastic. Job is first year on the US beat, and he's a must follow if you're a New Jersey see fan, not just Florida. Will we share your time? Join us on the Ray guy. Thanks for having me on. Thanks. All right stew. Let's get to the mailbag. We got a lot of good questions. Our first question is from a familiar name is Johnny. She. I believe I'm pronouncing Janis Nate right? Hey guys. Love the podcast. Keep up the great work. My Texas longhorns recently redo a home home with Florida Gators the right of about. This says that the last time they played each other was in nineteen forty I don't believe Brando's on the call might have been probably takes shorting trays each other to get this play them. I was lucky enough to attend the first hour contest between Texas and Michigan at the two thousand five Rose Bowl. I Google the list of big schools with yet to play each other. And he rattles off about ten names. Ten ten matchups, I'm gonna go through, and he says, which of these, would you like to see as soon as soon as possible Notre Dame Auburn, Michigan LSU? Oh, you Michigan state, Texas. Michigan state Tennessee, Michigan against eight yes. Texas. Florida state LSU UCLA, Tennessee Washington FSU, Washington Auburn UCLA George Washington there too that I picked out what are your top two on his list? Okay. So this may be a case of just where these two programs. Alright. Now. But the first one was the last for me was the last one Georgia Washington to schools that cannot be much further apart that could be not, not much different in terms of parts of the country, culture. Of course, you've got the Jacob and connection right now. It's just something about the Georgia BULLDOGS ro role on into Seattle and playing on the lake. And then the huskies come in between the hedges that one appeals to me. And then oftentimes Notre Dame's gonna be involved in these things. But so I thought about Notre Dame Auburn. But I think I ended up deciding on Michigan LSU the less miles bowl, if you will, frankly, surprised that there's two never played a lot of like I have Georgia Washington, I will call the Marshall. Mount Joe vol- recruiting coordinator, Georgia who worked under Boise, and I have Notre Dame Auburn, you know, Michigan issue, I definitely thought of that would be the next on my list. But I don't know. I just feel like anytime you get the. SEC school playing Notre Dame, especially when they haven't played before I think it's, you know, it's an interesting one. So those are my top two, but I don't think you go wrong with a lot of these. So there were a lot of interesting ones. I'm actually surprised that, that there weren't more Lammers ones in this, I've never been played, for instance when Georgia and Oklahoma met in, in the Rose Bowl couple of years ago. First time those schools that ever played which seemed crazy and now we're seeing all these future homes announced. So you really look at this list, like I be fine seeing all these games. But for instance, let's take Notre Dame Auburn. That is probably one of the two or three most appealing on this list. But the fact that that's the only one he mentioned that includes no Amy's that nerdy. At some point or another has played pretty much every other marquee program. You can think of Lenny cheat on this a little bit there. Let's say that what matchup even if these teams played before would you most want to see this year that is not on a regular season schedule? So you're saying I can pick any two schools in the country. Every yet, and I know you're gonna probably pick teams around the top twenty five you're not gonna take down. Let Florida stadium someone who you most want to play this year. That is not a regular season. Bachup Ohio State versus Georgia, Justin field ball. Yes. He'll like there's some bad blood there at this point overall that, that, that's a good choice. What do you got? I would like to see, you know, with all the talk with Lincoln Riley in Oklahoma. I would actually like to see Oklahoma play against Georgia. Again, you know, I just feel like you have inmates function of I've, I've been asked Lincoln Riley, had, but I feel like there's some of that I do think that Georgia is a really interesting school to me. Because Kirby smart has got recruited ridiculously well, the last two years. And because we've seen them on a big stage and because I feel like there was a lot of people the thing that your game did. You know, your state, Georgia matchup is both of those schools were kind of in the cross hairs of should they be in the playoff or not. And I feel like that makes them a little more polarizing. I feel like they become more polarizing in. That's, that's why I have those two schools. The lemme ask you something. Would you rather? See Oklahoma play Georgia, or would rather see them play Oklahoma play Alabama, given the Jalen hurts factor. Yeah. But I I just saw that game. I granted Jalen hurts wasn't in it. But I mean you and I both were at that. Yeah. At that game. So I don't know to me, Georgia, and again, I don't want this to sound like it's Alabama fatigue, but I've seen Alabama against everybody. I want to see them play. Whereas George a little more intrigued, there's a little more of a proven component to me with Georgia. I'm very interested to see what happens with Georgia. Like I feel like they don't wanna national title in the next two years is going to be a big disappointment. And let me just also say that, you know, Clemson being a relative newcomer to national powerhouse status. Like I don't know off my head all their home and homes over the years. It does seem just any. I mean it seems like they play Georgia and Auburn schools like that a lot, obviously playing Texas AM now but just culturally like Clemson USC something, something like that would be really cool. Just to see them or, or clumps in Texas. See them kind of get out of that part of the country. And, and play those big national brands they have already added. The home of the, you know, the frustrating thing is all these home homes have been announced recently like you get really excited thinking about it played for like twelve years. Yeah, yeah. And so most of these coaches are not going to be there and the game is gonna probably evolved quite a bit. So running the triple option, event point more people playing with home. It's that have soft padding on the outside the guardian home. I still longtime listener of the audible after the recent NFL draft. Many outlets began comparing how each of the power five conferences did in terms of draft picks. And once again, the big twelve at least amount of picks while never argue that the big twelve as much talent as the SEC it is getting old hearing, the big twelve compared to conferences that four more teams each of which have eighty five scholarships filled with visual players logically. Those conferences would have more players drafted because they have a larger pool of players to draft from my question is this is there a way to more accurately compare the? Conferences factory in how many teams or any conference. Yes. From Daniel in San Antonio. There is a more accurate way and I have seen it as I was going to remind myself. Yeah. Most of them still lists the raw number. But some, some do do what I think is probably fair more fair, which is the average per school. And when you look at this past season, it puts the numbers on a little bit more perspective. First of all, the SEC is so far ahead of the others at four point six draft picks per school. But then the next three are all very close together. Big ten two point nine Pac twelve two point eight big twelve two point six and then rounding out of the bottom, surprisingly ACC, two point. Oh, because they see see really down here for them in terms of NFL players. They're often number two behind the SEC, but so, you know, recasting it that way. Now, the big twelve not the outlier, they're really not that different than the other conferences that come in right after the SEC. This is something Ted Miller. Our friend used to the Pac twelve blogs VN years ago. And, you know, look, I think was stats, you can kind wisdom as much as you want, which you can't really do is, you know, this number, again, the SEC when with more than one and a half players per school average. That's not insignificant. Nope, also, I would say that one thing that hurts the big clubs and not just the fact that it's only ten schools. But generally speaking, the more four and five stars you bring in the more NFL players are going to produce and they really only have two programs in Oklahoma that you see regularly, you know, at or near the top of the recruiting lists, and one of those Texas has not been putting the NFL recently, I think that's about to change. I think they'll be back to contributing to F L numbers in a big way, so that number overall Mike go, but in general, the SEC is not just that they're in that part of the country or that they have fourteen teams they have a bunch of schools regularly recruit, and I level. And the last two given what you're saying this is a project we could put max Olsen on it'd be interesting. It's you know, there's two big components for recruiting the valuation, and then the development of those players. And if you wanted to use the math of okay, how many five stars and four stars of these via column. Blue shift players five in four star guys, what percentage of each conference do you have in? I come back to TCU like L J Collier in these guys who are bent bag were not big refers out to be really have really careers Negga drafted relatively highly, you know, you'd see big twelve given what you just said about Texas seems to be have some really good development there. Some guys under the radar not. See you definitely does than I think that's an interesting little, little subplot that. Yeah. And to be clear, just because you guys guarantee they're going to turn out to be NFL players. They have to be developed. Well, I think Florida they had. Historically low draft this past year for them. And that's the spite the fact that they came in three class that you're one of those players to great player, less early tune. VFL leave is playing safety for the chargers or James, but the rest of both almost the entire class was dud for some of those off field issues. I've been working on that I've been he may see it goes by Texas, AM state of the program, which goes up Thursday and JIMBO at Florida state, six of seven years, top-five class. That's really good. And obviously off to that start as well six the last seven years, or what six nine he signed seven full classes. If you throw out the what he had I taken over Robbie Bowden. That's so what happened in the last couple of years is when I wanna know he didn't the recruiting rankings suggests that he just kept hurting at the same level. Clearly tailed off. And also, by the way, the APR rank numbers came out the NCAA, the way, they measure academic progress and Florida state this past year, twenty seventeen twenty eighteen have the lowest score in all of FBI S. So I mean one thing that's becoming clear. And I know Willie Taggart had a rough rough rough first season is the JIMBO left behind a complete mess both on and off the field. And I don't know. I don't know the answer to that. Why, why did those five stars and four stars five stars stop developing into star players in college? It's a good question different questions. Thomas HALE council. Bluffs Iowa student which power conference schools have yet to take a game at in which will see crossing off your list next Angela this I well, and he then offers to, he's from council bluffs, Iowa. And he says, I was state is one of those schools allow me to be your guide to the great tailgating in. Aims pick a game. It will have a great time. I've never been to state of you. And I have a game that both of us may be at one, because I may be working it maybe I don't know yet and two because you should go to it week to Iowa. I was state. What do you think that game is week to we'll even sweet to well, hey, the birth Repub Reuss, but that is also LSU, Texas and Texas, am Clinton. Yeah. But we can have other writers go to it. I mean we've never been to this game you need to go. So you're thing I should bypass the big national games and just, you know, pawn that off on our other writers and go to I, I don't think it's pawning off for them to go to go to Austin for LSU taxes. I'm sure max oils and would gladly go used to live there your case. Yes. So I think that I would be when are you going to go to Ames, if you don't make this trip? I was just I have this like document that I do every year that is just like the highlights the biggest game. As of now on each week. Of course. Once you get into the season they oh, guess what? You're on. I was state is week three. I and that's on my list of games. That includes quanson Syracuse oboe home UCLA, Florida. Kentucky Pitt Penn State and Stanford UCF, so yes. Absolutely. I stay could arguably the biggest game in the country that we've. Was going you think game day we possibly making a trip to Ames? I couldn't care less. I'm more concerned bills, but is going to be aims, and Tom Stu, if he's there and he will take you up on that. Absolutely. I love going to new places. I love being taken around town. However, my answer this question. The power five go. I've never been to. That is top of my bucket list is Colorado. I feel like I've been seeing that stadium on TV my whole life. And it looks both the stadium itself in the backdrop, but Colorado, for most of our my time at least covering the sport has been so bad. I've never had an occasion to go there. Have you been there? I have been there several tons of never done a game there, though. I've done see you games but they've been on the road, but I've been to boulder for magazine stories and whatnot. I've been pretty much everywhere for games 'cause a FOX in the big ten exceed like I haven't done a game at Minnesota yet just thinking if there's a if there's a place that I have not been for a game you know what there is one. I've not been at Clemson for a game. Oh, wow. Yeah. I, I haven't been up until. Fill lavar, dear Lamar Jackson played, there you obviously are going to want to experience that at some points. I like can't is so buy. My product down hill is a little different than yours. Like, I'm busy during games that I make my schedule. They make it for me. So and Oxfam have the ACC does not have the there's really no scenario where you could be in your current role. And attend a regular season game Clemson, that doesn't seem you're actually, I have some great news for you. Clemson, this year opens on Thursday night against Georgia Tech, the first Thursday night of the season, you could go to that. And then head to wherever you need to be the next for the Fateh game. I don't know if I can do that usually get the games on Thursday. So make Joe Davis. Do the legwork just just chill tail even when you get there Joe Davis tied up would with dodger pennant race stuff at them thing? I just gave you a layup and. You're not willing to take other power five places. I've never been to a game would include actually you mentioned one of the Minnesota mentioned. There's probably a lot. Have you been Duke for a game? I actually have been to do for game. Have you been to chaplain? I know my bad I've into weak force for game. I've seen Duke stadium because I've been the best ball games. I've never been to a game there. I've been to do do football game, will they play North Carolina? A lot of the ones I haven't been to are probably in the ACC for being honest. I've been in the carrier dome but not for a football game. I've never been to a game at UNC, and that's another one by the way, Keenan stadium looks fantastic on television urban to BC for a game. I've been in that stadium. I've not been to a game. Oh, there's a big one. I've never been to a game and Poelman, really think you need to go. Yeah. I, I would love to game I think you need to drive there. I've never been to a game at Arizona university of Arizona, but really the one that I wanna go to most probably is army never been to a game. Army, Mike stayed I grew up near there. Pretty stunning. I never been a game at your a modern. So last season, where you ranked at fantastic atmosphere Ryan list of I don't know, I would probably say, I mean, it was pretty library ah. I don't know. I don't I don't have a place that it was like this is kind of like northwestern game. I mean is different? Let's move on. Mike and Houston prisons to since Chad Morris has been hired at Arkansas has recruiting efforts seem to be paying off. I noticed very early twenty twenty class. But from the guys he signed last year, who currently has committed is it fair to say that his offense is more dependent on wide receivers than it is QB's between his two thousand nineteen class and the guys committed for twenty twenty. He just keeps bringing to his chat, as if they're best friends has seven pass catchers, over six three. He got the title of being accused per first time clump. Somebody developing Taj Boyd getting to Shawn Watson to come to Clemson. But looking back at it. He's also responsible for getting some dif-. For make difference makers on the outside at Clemson SMU in Sammy Watkins, the Andrea Hawkins, Mike Williams or TV sky in court, Lund's sudden, and Trey Quinn could Arkansas find competitive edge by recruiting big play receivers. I'm sure that's the hope. Here's the problem with this is Arkansas last year. Signed the top twenty five class trae knocks the biggest of those receivers was a kid at Tennessee six five to twenty or whatever four star guy. Big big time. Receiver led a top twenty five class off top head. Tell me where you think that class ranked in the SEC, you said it was in the top twenty five. Yeah, but barely is him. Yeah. It was twenty probably seven three. It was tense allergies. It was tenth in the SEC, and there was only one SEC west school ranked below it Mississippi State. So I mean that's the problem with, with that MRs. You know we joke about about, you know, your love affair with Houston. But you know what that is a hard job right now with you weigh the SEC wired? I mean, I think you and I both agree reputation as a really good coach. And he proved it at Wisconsin. But right now the way the SEC is recruiting especially in the west. I don't know. I'm not very optimistic. It was to attend first season for Morris. I don't know. I mean he's going to get good receivers. You know who else is getting good receivers pretty much everybody else in that in that conference in that division? We mentioned beat them. I think he found out the hard way he hit and get top twenty five classes. It was confident and yet they won big ten title. I think he thought he could go to Arkansas, do the same thing and found out the hard way that, no, you can't beat all these teams full of future fell players without some of your own. So it's going to be on him to. It's gonna be on Chad Morris to obviously find some diamonds in the rough, it is true that maybe with his you know. Here's my here's my thanks to, like, I think it's the opposite of actually what Mike is saying, I'm not saying you don't want. Good receivers big receivers. The problem is in that division, if you're not recruiting bad ass defensive lineman difference makers in the front, seven you're gonna lose. And the one thing that, that Mississippi State really had going for his in the last few years, whether you know, Chris Jones, or Jeffrey Simmons or Montas sweat, they had some real studs in the D line. And you see that, you know, across the board in that Lee. You know, you see just big, big time front seven guys. And if, if Arkansas's not able to get a lot of them, they're going to struggle to win more than five games that to me, that's just the way it is. You may be able to win your non conference four, but you still gotta get a couple of others. And I just think it's gonna be it's gonna be a hard. Line, because right now to me, you know after you, will you win. Two games the gap between you and everybody else talent wise is pretty substantial and union more than some receivers because your quarterback is going to be, you know, whether whatever the grad transfer guy, it's gonna be that they signed the sign to is going to pick himself up from the grass a lot. But I assume our listeners not necessarily talking about this coming. He's talking about in going forward, the future with Arkansas. So let me I don't disagree. You're saying. But let me just maybe throw it more optimistic spin on it. How did Bobbi between oh win back to back. He had ten wins and then eleven wins the next season at Arkansas, and he was very similar to Chad Morris, and that he was known as offense of Guber. I would make the case that the SEC west is much, much harder for, for Arkansas now than it was remember, Bobby betray. No was there in the late two thousand two thousand. Eleven allow changed that was a pretty. I mean Houston Nutt coached at a time when Alabama wasn't what they are now and LSU at least at the beginning. But by the time, Bobby between we're talking to thousands of Mississippi's eleven I don't know the Mississippi schools are a lot. You know, got a lot better than they were back when portrayal was in Arkansas, which is, you know, the next state over to me that was that's different. You know you didn't have. I'm not saying they were to give his, but Bobby between last year, they beat Mississippi State forty four to seventeen and they beat old miss on the road. I just think that, that makes it harder. I'm not saying to me. Albama was, I was at one national title under Nick Sabin. I think they're even deeper than they were, then I think that, you know, am I want to say that might have been someone's first year? Eight wasn't in the conference yet. So they. They played then though, right? Right. They had a series are going. Yeah. So they played them. I think am is probably more talented now than they certainly were at the end of the big twelve time. So. My recollection is between basically health's or he they got their bus kicks album and LSU. And then they beat the other teams that weren't necessarily much more talented than they were. So you know, it's probably going to be the former for Chad Morris as well. But still at least in the short term, it's hard to see them being competitive with Alabama, Auburn LSU, and even Texas am with JIMBO. So it's the it's a rough road ahead. I'm sorry. This was such a supressing answer. My clearly came in here wanting us to tell them that they were going to take the SEC storm with all their sixty three receivers and you basically just like port a big cold bucket of water over those hopes. Sorry it was too intense. I mean it's hard to you know, like you gotta get going fast. I mean, unfortunately, you know, I don't think he gets four or five years, if it's that's the struggle. All right, from Adam in Washington state guys, I was wondering if the Pac twelve is having any success that I. I haven't heard about in their quest raise seven hundred fifty million dollars in capital. Personally, I don't know why it's taken so long for the leading to jump on board. Let's establish some west coast vise to counter everybody else's love for the SEC in big ten Stu Adam durch wants to them. You know, when I, I read this I what are you talking about? We, we've got more west coast by maybe we literally have a column Shan tells best coast football and best coast mailbag, nobody else's devoting entire columns to pack pro football. And then I realized that, oh, wait, he's suggesting that the F wedding should invest the seven hundred fifty million dollars in capital to help the Pac twelve to answer his question. First of all, if people aren't that's what he's referring to in an effort to close, the massive revenue gap between the Pac twelve and the other power conferences right now that they can't really do anything about until their TV contract comes up, which is not for another five years. They are seeking they're seeking somebody who will actually take an equity stake in the conference would actually own ten percent of the Pac twelve and the asking prices seven hundred fifty million dollars, very unorthodox and unusual. And frankly, there's people who have questions about whether they can even do that, as a nonprofit, but anyway, the only update. Is that when we were Phoenix a bunch of us around the table, Scott Gasco bunch of questions about the Pac twelve and all he said that the early he's been very pleased with the amount of interest in it, so far, that it's reaffirming that there's a strong demand for, for college football and for live rights, and that's really what they're banking on here. But somebody wants to get on board because there when they get that next TV contract, those rights could be worth an awful lot. If for example, Netflix wants to get it on the bidding, or Amazon or Hulu or any number of these other companies. I mean, the whole thing with the Pac twelve network and them maintaining control. That has been long-term play at this potential. Big payoff one day down the road. 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Kate Johnson | Radical Friendship

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Kate Johnson | Radical Friendship

"The simple truth friends make life better. We have all experienced that but could a very specific hind a friendship. Radical friendship lead to not only lasting bonds love and joy and fun but also potentially to systemic social chains liberation and equality. That's what we're talking about. Today weaving in buddhism western spiritual culture dance and social justice with my guest. Kate johnson so kate teaches classes and retreats integrating buddhist meditation semantics social justice and creativity at leading meditation centers universities and cultural institutions around the country. She also works as a culture change consultant partnering with organizations to really help them achieve greater diversity and sustainability and a graduate of spirit rock meditation centers four year teacher training and she has also earned a bfa in dance from the alvin ailey school fordham university an ma in performance studies from nyu and her moving new book radical friendship. It makes the case for friendship. Grounded in buddhist teaching as a radical practice of love courage and trust offering seven strategies that really paved the way for profound social change and she invites us to really consider how wise relationships make it possible to transform the barriers created by societal injustice. So radical friendship offers a path of depth and hope and shows us the importance of working toward a collective well-being one relationship at a time. Really excited to dive into this conversation with you and before we dive in over these next three weeks. I'll be sharing short stories. Just two to three minutes from my new book sparked which introduces you to the ten sparked types or imprints for work that make you come alive. I was so inspired. By all of these amazing people. I wanted to share their spark stories as a kind of short fun hit of inspiration and insight as we all make the transition into a season of reimagining and for many reinvention. Let's dive into today's short and sweet spot story. Walk into jenny blake's essentials maven living room. And the first thing you'll see is the wall of books i thought. Wow that's a lot of books then at his you. There's something else going on. Every book on. Every shelf is ordered any particular way not by author or title not by dewey decimal not by fiction or nonfiction genre. Every single one is arranged by the color of its cover in sequence of the rainbow red-faced orange which eases into yellow then green gently morphing into blues than into goes finally delivering you a dozen feet down and to the right into the violence. Of course a special place is set aside for the black to white spectrum which is a healthy part of her cannon. First impulse run. This could only have been done by the mind of someone with serious issues. Second impulse fascination how. I wonder does jenny's brainwork what would motivate a human being to do this with over a thousand books and then maintain it before. I get my answer. The other shoe drops as i stand before the wall of books half wondering whether to head for the door or pull a book out ease into a different spot and see what wrathful response awaits. Jenny takes me deeper into the elegance of her system. It starts with color. She says but do you notice anything else. Beat passive Nope height she responds. I his color then height then topic. I honestly don't understand why anyone would do it any other way. Jenny's living room library is just one of the many ways. Her centralist impulse shows up in a personal way. This same impulse has driven incredible outcomes in her professional life as well. It fueled top grades in college where her notes were so organized. She ended up turning. No taking into paid side hustle. For other students upon graduating her systems and process approach to making things clear and getting things done served as the driving force that landed her a physician in one of the biggest tech companies in the world where she quickly started rising up the ranks and that same impulse then led her to re imagine. The often chaotic non linear and frenetic way. So many people develop their careers. Devising frameworks tool systems and processes that help simplify and add clarity to the process of career development and transition and birth to bestselling books life after college and pivot and yearning to really claim a fuller sense of control over the way. She earned her living and also her ability to build an offer tools. That help other. Simplify and censu- fide the choices they made in working life. She eventually went out on her own as a consultant author and speaker where she could fully embody her centralist nature haven joy that and are curious about your own sparkle type. Grab a copy of spark using the link in the show nuts or just head to your favorite bookseller plus when you order before september. Twenty first which is when the book is actually published. They'll get some pretty cool bonuses. Okay hold you our amazing conversation. Jonathan fields and this is good. Life project delight broadway disappointed by flavio. So if you're an ecommerce founder entrepreneur marketer or growth hacker working around the clock to build your dream ecommerce business. You need an ecommerce marketing platform. That works as hard as you do. That means you need klay vio. So with clavijo you'll delight customers and drive revenue at the same time with personalized email and sms marketing campaigns. That you can design and send emits plus building a marketing campaign is drag and drop easy. You can get started with your first campaign in under an hour and easily build from there with claves best-performing templates to get started with a free trial of play video. 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It's so easy to find a handyman and people to help move here in boulder on the app. So don't put off those projects any longer download thumb tack and start crossing off your to do list today so you and i have. It's it sounds like a bunch of shared interests and maybe even early in life type of thing. I think like buddhism meditation and eastern traditions and practices. But it sounds like you're kid who grew up. Who was in love with dance and eventually ended up in a path of modern dance. I was a kid who grew up and my mom was a modern dancer. And while i i wasn't a dancer myself i was always deeply deeply fascinated by movement and i remember seeing allie from the earliest days when to jameson was dancing and like that whole troupe so it it sounds like there's this we have. We had this share threat. You're you're in it. As as a person who is doing and moving. And i was in it and somebody. Who's just exposed to the culture and some of the most incredible performers in the space. That's so awesome. that's incredible. Yeah you spent time like hanging out in density was with the answers and as you said it. I could almost smell. It sounds unpleasant. But i could smell the dance video. Which studio the smell that. I love and also feel kinda humidity in the air and sweat and Exciting place for me to be. There's something kind of magical about that isn't there but You hit college. And you're like a mall in on this Yeah it was a you know. Dance was always a part of my life and i i loved it and i had family members and teachers saying to me. Oh but you're so smart like you really should do something. If you know dancers aren't smart. I think that's a stereotype in. It's so it's so wrong you know as as you know but Yeah i felt this. You know nudging to let dance via a hobby passion into following academic discipline. And then i got into college may first year. It didn't exactly know what i was going to major in. But i went to a dance. Heavy men. I just missed it so much you now and so Yeah i decided to switch schools. Which major is go to a major dance conservatory and really you know. I guess it felt like taking a stand for something that was really important to me which is an enzyme that i believed in which is that there is something really important about dance about the body about being an artist you know in society and that's not something that is like a trivial trivial pursuit but something. That's why i felt that there was something really important for me about being able to tap into a depth of feeling and to be able to communicate with other people i knew from an audience member as member. How important was to was magical. It was related to be able to to sit with a group of people and build together in to have a sense that we may be feeling something something like the same thing as we're having this experience in theater so that was one piece amena. The piece was just that it felt it. Felt great for me. You know like a way to be sure myself to say this. Actually this is what i wanna do. Yeah i'm always curious. When somebody chooses the path of performing arts especially. I'm an a match even more curious. Now because you went to school and you kind of set like gotta do this and then you changed directions and said no. This thing has been a part of me and it actually matters and they need to center it when i'm always curious what that conversation looks like especially at that stage in life with parents. You know i'm trying to remember. I mean there were several conversation so one was that the conversation of i'm leaving school. I'm not going back. You know happened between That i had. I chosen the school. That was really rigorous academically and. I knew it wasn't right for me both because it didn't have a dance major but also because it was a predominantly white school and i didn't realize how that would feel actually until i was there and then i was so depressed and the second that i left the school i went to berkeley california for the summer because one of my friends parents was building a dome house. Somewhere in northern california and so they. This is a very as you. do you do in berkeley. And so they needed somebody to watch their their nine cats and they're like hundreds of plants and i was like i'm up for took over the tasks i spent a summer in berkeley. And and so that was the first conversation is like i'm leaving school. I went to berkeley and i don't. I don't want to go back. And i just and that was a body moment to i knew in my bones. It was the first time. I remember sitting and considering too divergent pass. Think okay. what would it be like to go back to college. And i would feel this Not my chest in my heart race in. Just the tension in okay. What would it be like to stay. And at that time. I had started at bam way to a dance. Classes there in the bay area was working with a small dance company visit apprentice and when i thought about staying my whole system just can relax and so i knew i knew it was right so i am. I stayed there for a couple years. In ben you mentioned ailey earlier. I saw the elven company at zellerbach hall and why didn't even have tickets. I was walking in berkeley that night. And i heard this music. And i turned into the campus and was standing there at this big amphitheatre and you can kind of see the stage from outside the space where the ticket members were sitting in so i saw some lead through the air got closer it as close as i could without entering the space and i just who says you know i hadn't seen before and i thought it with the conviction of someone who's nineteen like That's where i should be. And so i just i told my parents actually went back to chicago and studied with my childhood ballet teacher for a little while and debbie addition and got in and then i was in new york. I mean that's amazing. Also that at that age that you are so tuned in to what your body was telling you that you actually could sorta like way these two opportunities not just think it through like. Let's make our list of pros and cons but like how my actually responding physically. Which i think so. Many of us are so disconnected from that we live from the head up and you know eating no matter what age you are here. Like thirty forty fifty sixty s. We just we completely dissociate from our visceral yelich embodied feelings and don't validate it as data. Yeah i think that's true. And i think that's a learned behavior. You know i feel like that's a trained dissociation. And yeah that somewhere along the way we lose trust in what our bodies are so clearly telling us and there's the to almost like a virtue. Bits place an overriding. What our bodies are telling us to do. What are you thinking. Brain says is the next rate move and i. I know that i've always had a really hard time doing that. And longtime i felt that was a personal failing. You know but i couldn't get my body to just shut up. So i could like give it the program you know and now. I'm so glad that i never. I never really was able to manage to do that. I think it's certainly. While the h- i feel like we're a lot of people a weakening to that a lot more these days i. I wonder if if you're seeing that in the work that you're doing there's a really interesting sort of trailing indicator of that to me. Which is that. Vessel van cokes. Book that the body keeps score Has been out for years. But it's just in the last couple of years at it exploded onto the bestseller list and kinda bounces between one and three who And i've wonder like what's driving that or we just all waking up to the fact that we have served stuffed down so much turn this thing off and now it's coming out as pain. Yeah i i have seen a shift in both interest in the body the body has to say and also willingness to listen you as a meditation teacher while say my experience. Meditation has always been one. That's deeply embodied whether it's you know the the fact that we're feeling my body in a moment to moment way or the the complaints i body has when i'm sitting in the same place for my needs feels very embodied experience outright meditation but I think what i'm experiencing imitation world is there. Is this kind of revelation. That's happening around. Oh i'm meditating in in the body and that my body and mind are actually not separate and experience in that way often and when i experienced them as separate. It's usually that my mind is the boss and it's telling my body what to do and my body's kind of lumbering along doing its best to be obedient and you know at some point. Maybe can't can't take orders anymore because it gets sick tired. And then there's this feeling of betrayal like oh my god how could you you know. How could you be sick or the tired. But yeah i think there is this opening up to the landscape of the body and a new respect for what with the body can tell us and a willingness to tune in to a different way of listening to the body. Because it doesn't sometimes it feels like it speaking in words as it feels like it's making an images but oftentimes i think the body linked to the body sensation and i think there's a renewed willingness to slow down and be patient to allow sensation to unfold in a moment to moment way and to be with it long enough for it to tell us what it means rather than us telling telling it. What does that make sense. Yeah no i think. I think i agree with that. I wonder sometimes also in the last year and a half how that shifted. How the fact that they've been these large blocks of time where we're kind of forced to stay fairly constrained a lot ways and i think a lot of us you know. We've taken a hit tour bodies and we've had to sort of say okay. Where's the line where i need to actually be much more intentional about reimagining how i'm going to listen to you and then reanimate my physical being because it matters and like you said you know. I think we're also really waking up to this notion that there is no separation. There's no mind and body. It's just this seamless. Interwoven feedback mechanism and organism. Where it's all one and it. It's been interesting to see how different people and how i have the really Navigated this recent window You mentioned there was this intervening window where you jump back to chicago. Which is where you're from grew up in chicago and coming up so your dad is black mamas by you're growing up in chicago and i know you write about an experience going all the way back to when your four where you're on the playground and you were asked a question by a girl and i'd love you to share that i'm also curious about you know this notion of having that moment be so real for you that even at four years old like much later in life it's still with you. Yeah well what our members having been playing on the playground with this girl in having this moment of how new friend you know like You know. I think it happens often for kids. There's kinda parallel play kids. You each during their own thing but in the same space and then somehow you ended up connecting we connected on the on the swings. We were impressing each other with different moves that we were doing on the swings and then we were laughing chips flying and it's point she just turns me and she says oh. Are you black or white. And i was stumped. You know i just had never. I asked me that question. We're told me how to respond a question like that. So i just said oh. I don't know she said well. Can you go home and ask so that. I know whether or not i can play with you. And so i said oh sure okay can really. It didn't have a the it didn't have a heaviness to it. It was just like you go find out same thing you know you'd ask your. Oh can i play with this kid over the weekend. you know it just. It was a question. And and so i went home and i remember my mom and i would often accident in the bath and she was a bath and i just i think what happened was i asked her if i was black or white and she. I remember her freezing. Her body can have stopping in that moment and the tension that can came to her body and her face and she asked me. Who asked you that question. Do you wanna know. And i told her the whole thing and she told me that i was tan and that was beautiful and that i could play with whoever i wanted and i think i remember that moment so clearly as because of that like the moment attention and feeling like oh gosh did i. Did i say something wrong. You know like which also happens when you're a kid you pick up a word or you know you think you're just kind of like making conversation with something new that you're learning and suddenly you're like oh that wasn't that wasn't what i supposed to say and so it was both you know not getting totally satisfactory answer and one that i knew that wouldn't really satisfy the question was being asked at school But also this feeling of like up. Maybe this is something. I'm not really supposed to talk about or this is something that could makes my mother really uncomfortable. My mom. yeah i mean. Was that after that moment. Was that something. Where a seed of curiosity or are thinking or exploring planted or was it kind of like okay so this was a moment that was kind of upsetting and then it gets tucked away. Or and then you know to be revisited. Much later or or a bit later in life. I think it made me cautious. I think it taught me that. There were more criteria. There was more information necessary to be able to assess whether or not they can connect with another person. Then i had previously understood. I think open to that point more about like. Do we have fun together around the same age. Do we like the same kinds of things. And then i think at that point i understood that part of what it meant to be a friend at least at that time in the community i was in was a redesign kind of person and i think also understood at that moment that i it wasn't clear. What kind of person. I really was. And so there was this always kind of moment of anxiety about. How do i explain to other people whether or not i'm like them when i don't actually know really understand what i am or nor do i feel like it's an appropriate question to ask so. Yeah i think. I think it made me. You know i would love to say it may be it bit. Set me on this. Like lifelong quest really understand identity. Be able to talk about it. You know. I think that there's there's some of that there but i think as a child may be cautious. It may be a little anxious about that moment of wanting to reach out and connect which is actually like continues to be a variable notable moment in initiating a relationship kind of reaching out or being able to say like how you i wanna play or right. I'm interested in you. And i guess it was like the moment where fear rejection came in With perspective friendship. I mean. it's so interesting. I have a number of friends. We've actually explored this question. Different ways Who are biracial. And and the they get this question a regular basis as an adult situations. Yeah and some of them Have a very strong reaction. That says okay. So i've i've somebody has just asked something which is intended to other me and to make me like not okay in there is or not a part of this thing or this community or to exclude me from a sense of belonging and others it lands as a sense of somebody is curious about my like where i've been about my traditions about my ancestry about What is actually shared between us. But they're just curious the same way that they might be curious about. Just somebody somebody who just navigates the world. Just deeply fascinated by other people wants to know more and i've always been. I've always wondered how how that question lands with with different people and like what is what is the thing that tips it from This this is a question which is intended to now they push me aside and it's really offensive to this is actually very open question Delivered out of a place of curiosity and desire to connect more deeply Yeah i feel that. I mean it's it's i think it's a question that's transformed for me over time. I mean the question. I really prefer and then i will ask other people at times is aware your people from because i think it is fascinating like where you know the lineages and histories the people that become from who have said into us and make us who we are today and i love to know like look at a person and kind of see. The family tree spread out behind them in the roots extending this way in that way and i think we all have that you know. I think the question what are you. I think at times when i was younger. I think i got that question a lot. And i think it really was from other kids. It did have a subtext of. Are we the same kind of person or not. I think sometimes it also has some text of just just pointing out like. Oh you're different. I can tell that you're different. And i don't know how but what you mentioned about other. I used to wait tables in new york city. 'cause i was a modern dancer. And that's what we didn't off-season I did and i would get a lot from customers like earth so they would ask three up. What are you saying. They would ask like hopefully like. Are you brazilian. you know and then look really disappointed. When i'm like no i'm not rozan I notice it's a question that people who are obviously kind of embiid racially get in a way that people who seem to be of a a single lineage or history. Don't i like to think that most often there is some kind of genuine Behind that question. In so like when i when it able to. I don't know i. I'm of two minds about this because sometimes i feel like there's a feeling of entitlement to know about no more about me and i feel objectified by the question. I think in part because we're all we're all more or less than the sum of parts and So there's this this way of like awaited it feels it can feel invasive you know and i do think as a mixed race black identified person. There is something that is interesting and maybe even valuable that can be known from a racially mixed experience that is worth talking about and that people may be want want to know more about and by the more that these wounds of having felt rejection or not belonging the more that they they he all through really having new experiences of relationship the more open. I am to be able to export for myself and share with other people. Now what is actually valuable. Here that can be known through this this subject position. i love that frame to just. There's a certain amount of forgiveness and grace in it for lack of a better. You not not necessarily saying like it's it's everything's okay all the time and jessica but also it's sort of like it's complicated right it's I wonder for you. Also how much of how it lands especially because you're so semantically tuned. How much of whether this is okay. Or whether it's completely inappropriate lands in you in your body. And that's the primary signal that sort of like informs where you go from there. Yeah we'll always Always and some as it has to do with with me and where. I am at like m. i. resource in this moment. And how generous my feeling the time you know at do. I want to ultimately. There's a bid for connection right. And so am i in this moment where i feel resource enough and ground. Nothing myself that i want. I am open to extending myself towards his other beating and letting them see me a little more deeply part of it is is feeling like semantically like there's an exchange that there can be a way in which a question like what are you or even wear your people from can fee all extractive and literally like kind of being like like like sucked early like like There's a vacuum for information right and part of what makes it feel safe is that there's an openness to say like. Yeah we'll where where people from you know my partner do this you know. Because he's similarly ethnically ambiguous you know to be to he'll say i'm i'm People from group in staten island. Like how about you sir. Something i think in that exchange if the person who's asking is in a place where they're able to or willing to signal that they would like to share also they want this to be an equal exchange It it feels reciprocal In a way and trying to With wildly my hands and describe however deals in the body. It's like Like there is simultaneous opening on both sides. Right as opposed to kind of information being pulled out of me and consumed by this other person. I think that it's also complex. That i experienced this in new york that there is it can be gendered. Also i know for me. There's a certain kind of like hyper sexualization of You know it goes back to that kind of figure but tragic mulata is kind of like mixed race. Band doesn't belong here doesn't belong there and therefore vulnerable to being taken advantage of and sometimes i feel that like cultural trope being layered in in those moments on as well and so when it feels like there's this polar this extractive quality of the question i can just feel but we'll say the armor kind of come up around the higher end. I don't think hurt. Armor is always a bad thing. You know i know be in spiritual world privileged like being being open open heart. I think that's really important. They also think it's really important for us to know how to protect ourselves. Miss you know heart hardest tender and It deserves to be treated with care. Project is supported by parachute. So it's a little things that make your home feel really like you. And parachute has all safe. Ethical and incredibly comfy homegoods. You could ever want whether you're looking for bed bath decor where they've got you covered. 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I need to just put up the road. Because i'm just not in a place at this moment where engaging at this level and having outflow at that level is going to allow me to still be okay. Yeah yeah. I think so and it takes whatever i'm just as is talking about him thinking like wow whenever that question comes up. Whatever the circumstances are meaning whether i'm resource or not. It's going to be labor right because even if the answer is i. Don't wanna talk about that right now or none business. You know what. I mean that. There's this oftentimes like a secondary question. They need to explain oneself or like a defensive. Go i was just asking. 'cause i you know i you know you don't have to get upset and so whether it's you know me working with the risks to kind of open up and share honestly with someone about like you know who i am and where i'm coming from and in the hope that they'll do the same or whether it's the having to express a boundary and not know how that's going to be received a respected. It's it's work I think that's what people get about that question. You know like brazil. You're not the first person that's asked and like it's always. It's always going to be work. Whatever my responses at this moment yeah So you end up in new york and your dancing for about a decade and waiting tables and doing all the stuff that people do to to sustain themselves in the city it's not the easiest to sustain themselves. In at some point buddhism meditation drops into your life and it becomes something that you decide that okay so this isn't just something that's interesting to me. This is something that's really calling me on a deeper level. I'm i'm wondering what it was about it. What it was giving to you that made you sort of say. Oh this this is something. I need to not only play with but actually deepen into I don't think it was a single moment. But i think it was a series of moments. I had always been kind of interested in. But aside iconography really drawn to these like deeply symbolic images of the bottom of the buzz and you wanted to learn about all of their couture ma and just the beauty of it you know and i think also aware of you that the ancestors of these traditions were not my ancestors you know and Not wanting to be like weird about it for like not wanting to like be a consume these cultural traditions as products or to try to pretend to be something that i wasn't not culturally until there's always feeling like. Oh maybe it's not you know i. I can't just wanted to have a healthy respect for high approaches traditions. Even from a young age and then getting to new york. I think part of what i was looking for was awaiting meet and respond to experience the city in my experience of being a professional modern dance setting which was super competitive You know very intimidating. Auditions were awful. I mean like just know hundreds of people dress a lake a number pin to your leotard people trying to intimidate each other with like wild stretches and in the waiting rooms and feeling like having come from. Ah a space where. I was definitely one of the best To being in a space for everybody was one of the best where they were from and so suddenly just not being quite quite a special Feeling the really the bigness of the I just didn't do well in a competitive environment. I what i understand about myself now. I didn't know that is that. I love to dance. A do not love to perform. And i hated to audition and because i love to defect thought that meant that i should be professional and that was not true for me but i didn't know high navigate bad at the time i was looking at the extreme wealth gap in new york which was big van. Two thousand three. I think is much much deeper now on. It is all over all over the world into this deep sense of injustice and not knowing what my role was or how to how to meter manage that and i felt incredibly overwhelmed. I felt my heartfelt waterlogged. And i think that i you know on the one hand. I was looking forward to something that could really relieve what i started to identify a suffering like this heartbreak around. You know relationship. The relationships that people have with one another that relationships that we were having with the earth and also continued sense of tenderness or hesitancy around making friends Disbelief The buddhist teaching start with understanding that suffering exists. That i really it felt like a relief to admit you know rather than to walk around pretending painting the smile on beaten. Everything's great. I love additioning. I don't mind that. I live on a deep outskirts of the city and have to travel in and so worried about finances and To be able to say there's a lot of suffering in this realm was deep relief. I think also looking back. I was really interested in making friends with other people who wanted to meditate known who wanted to who were interested in exploring ways of finding happiness and satisfaction beyond the material world beyond buying things and getting things and having things and consuming things and so i wanted to hang out with other people who were who were interested in that and so like you know at the time you could go to a meditation We're gonna be like this again rate but we could go to meditation class in the east village and be with twenty thirty other people. I founded mutation center. That was like a lot of a lot more young people and if fell like it both offered this personal kaffa transformation and also the promise of not having that path be so lonely. I mean i think I would imagine it would. It was a powerful experience. Especially when you're like you're out there trying to earn your living know quote. Prove yourself in the in the city where everybody like the best of the best come to do the exact same thing and so it's kind of bird path for a lot of people So you start to deepen into this you d into the community you reach a point where you decide you wanna teach and you start to move along that path and at the same time as you shared it. Sounds like you've always had a lens. Which is which has brought her. Which looks at what's happening in society around me and notices inequity and sounds like you also started to notice that in different context. You know like both in terms of what's happening in the world around me while you're moving through this whole experience but also within the community of meditation itself. You mentioned that these traditions come from people thousands of years ago. Who don't share the same ancestry as you. And then when it hits the us especially in major cities where the people at hang out. Imitation centers also are not people who share that lineage at all and the teachings can be really powerful in the practices really powerful and an expansive and open. But sometimes the culture that trappings that get wrapped around it in modern practicing community. Do the exact opposite. Sounds like you were feeling a lot of that. That same experience. Yeah i appreciate you. Using the word trappings to refer to the culture that emerges in these western and of context. Because i think what what i often heard. That time was in white western but a teacher. Teachers talk about the the asian cultural practices around the buddha. Dharma as the trappings that these are cultural. Trappings that were can including the teachings or making them inaccessible once. We should get rid of those and really focus on. What is the real practice. Which primarily consisted of silence sitting buddhist meditation and. Yeah i mean. I think that. That's that's an issue in of itself right but the perception. Will i the idea that you any of us. Especially who came to practice in our young adulthood and weren't raising these traditions have the ability to to know what's essential and what's not making kind of like alicarte you know. I mean i think there is something to be said for taking what you let you can leave the rest in terms of like enter in entering into a path but i think when we start to cultivate mastery or you know become a teacher. There's gotta be a respect for the depth of the lineage in some humility towards that like i don't know maybe i think this incense is Inconsequential but how would i really know that you know. So that's that's one piece. And then the the privileging of a practice of silence sitting meditation. Some of the other have like social or relational practices that you will see in Heritage but a species. Or you know asian Centers of which there are still many all over the country and While part of my desire to be here Meaning in those buddhist centers is a desire to be with other people under. Is this being with other people like you know. There's a reason why people aren't just sitting by themselves at home and then said they're coming to these centers and listening to dhamma talks questions and the answers. And i'm having a social experience of a meditation class that there wasn't a lot that i was experiencing at that time. Done to foster the connections between between practice so kind of like go into the center. You kind of like avoid eye contact your soon nick. Issues head into the room in silence. Sit in silence until you know. The teacher came in listened silently to the teachers thoughts on dharma and instructions on meditation. Ask questions and answers with a teacher but not with not having conversation with one another and they would get up and leave and some people around me seem to be bidding friends somehow in that you know kind of coming and going. But i wasn't really outside of coming together and sharing those spaces like adolescent exchanging numbers. Or you know. I'm connecting with people. Where like you know. They could call me when they were sick or sad or needed a friend and there was something about. I think that culture of silence and self containment that i think really reinforces a larger White western societal contract of individualism and isolation that i think now is actually a hindrance to progress along the power taken to its extreme. So yeah those are some of the and then and then on top of that there were some just overtly racist things that happened in the centers. You know there were there were Consistently go as as a younger practitioner out early both younger and early practice then later as t even as a been practicing deeply for over a decade and i would go into spaces people with you know who greet me at the door. We consistently like ask me. Oh is this your first time here like no. It's not but why. Why do you think that going brown Because i'm young. And a number of other not-so-subtle ways of just getting the message that i didn't really belong there or that i was exceptional for being there and Then thinking back into earlier in our conversation around the piece around the body and like you know just thinking back to that time like never. It never really sat right with me. And i wanted. I wanted the teachings. So i rationalized the culture. Those spaces and i really tried hard to like behave in them and also it. It never really sat right with me to Just have it be. This kind of personal practice is the only practice Having been in some of those spaces you know like a a white millage mail It's interesting to surly here. Your experience in them interesting also. Because i was never even even as me. I was never comfortable because even just because i always felt that similar sense of isolation like. We're not in this together. There's not like this is not this is not a genuine community even though all of the signaling and the messaging was no yes. Yes yes it is. I'd never felt that In a number of different spaces. And i so. If you take that and your extended the level of your experience i could imagine how that becomes even more and more amplified you know could i project is supported by peleton. So you probably already know that peleton. Make spend tastic bikes and they're also much more than that. Think an at home option for pretty much any workout. You ever think of plus curated playlist that include epic artists collaborations fantastic community to work out with. I love using peleton for all sorts of at home. Fitness needs with literally thousands of on-demand classes and live programming in every discipline from weightlifting to meditation. They make it really easy to find a workout. That fit your mood and motivation and body on any given day. Plus the social component is really. 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And what if we created something that was Drew all of them and brought it together to create ideas ideals concepts ways to that actually reserved the aspects of the practice that are really powerful and also integrated more into it to create something something different. Something new something more expensive and inclusive. You've actually started teaching. And then leading these retreats that integrate all these different modalities and this term emerges overtime. Radical friendship Which is the title of your new book which is fantastic and so of the moment in so many different ways right now But tell me when when we use that that phrase what are we actually talking about I i love to hear you talk about the way that Listen merge quit. Sound so cohesive and smooth really soon so intentional like strategic at a really was not you know in so many ways. It was just like man for trying to. You know trying to trying to figure out how to help this. These spaces feel better for me. Feel welcoming to the people that i love. Feel relevant and relational and real exciting but yet radical friendship. Radical friendship refers to In this case a set of practices that the buddha todd around relationship and And there are so many actually a teaching relationship in the in the buddhist tax back. Something that i. I was on both shocked and delighted to learn as even in the practice right that you know. Even though silence sitting meditation is the number one thing that is taught in british centers in my experience That when you look at the the early teens in the boot on the pali canon ninety percent of the tax about how we how we get along with one. Another across differences in power like how parents and children relate to another how employers and employees. You know people who are partnered. And you know. They're so they're so much about those teachings and so the teaching that i have been focused on i'm really interested in the past. Few years has been a one text called the tests who it's a guide to be seven kind of key qualities or characteristics spiritual friend and so this word kellyanne me ties usually translated as spiritual friend and it has multiple meetings. It means you know. Sometimes the teacher student relationship sometimes the relationship between between practitioners. Like what i mentioned. I was really looking for in this community of people who had similar values and similar ideals and really believe that you know meditation and transformative practices were central to how they went to live their life and could have an impact on the world as a whole and so i say radical friendship because in being in these meditation species that clearly had you know so much wisdom. There is so much goodness. There's so much compassion. I mean i don't want to brush over those parts of it. That people are really like you know coming together to work with their minds and hearts as sincerely and earnestly and honestly is as good and then there were also these kind of arizona consciousness that we were replicating in our communities without meaning to on that had everything to do with the societal structures of privilege and oppression that existed Outside the space that we started to become honest about the presence of those structures inside of the meditations space that we actually in despite our best our best intentions could not keep him out and that we had to deal with them and there is hope. I think for me that those teachings on spiritual friendship in what it meant to show up for another person's liberation spiritually and in this tradition it means like to be liberated from the mind is ensnared by greed and hatred and delusion or confusion. It's the the mind that is Free to express its true nature of luminosity and inherent worthiness decency which is said to be at the heart of what every being is into the removal of anything that have struck stat So that we can express that fully in our whole life that commitment to show up for one another's liberation that way that we express in community could potentially be liberating not only spiritually but also socially and also politically so that there might be some things that we can learn about this these guidelines for spiritual friendship that could liberate us. You know even at the level of community even at the level of society and you know at this macro macro level and also even be liberating for our relationship with ourselves you know and and Ceasing to be at war with who we really are and Even down to micro micro level and so that's that's what makes it feel radical to me and my radical friendship but like the right way of translating this concept the right title for this book a sense of like deep deep transformation. All the way to the roots. I i love the frame of friendship as a source of transformation. When you think about what's what's been in the news cycle when you think about the state of social justice in this country and around the world one of the words it has emerged a lot What the hell of words at emerged like the of ally ship has come up but radical friendship is interesting in that it sort of this alternative or maybe complimentary path where it feels like it's steeped more in desire and devotion than a sense of sometimes what people will feel duty which feels like it comes more of an understanding of if we really understand each other on the level and hold each other and love each other and see each other level of friendship. How can you not act. How can you. How can because we are like worrying this together. Yeah yeah that's the hope and you know like I appreciate you saying that it could be a complimentary path because i don't think allied ship is the enemy. Alex was not horrible. It's not the same as causing outright harm rate There is an attempt to recognize that there are systems of power and privilege and oppression that exist and that they enter into our relationships in ways that we don't choose and that we actually can't control and that the way that we can mediate them is through an you know acting to leverage that power in a way that benefits those who would be denied it. otherwise i think that's what shape ally ship is at its best in. It's not wrong. you know. And it has a way of maintaining the sense of separation in the same moment of wanting to leverage privilege wanting to kind of give it over or turn it back or share it that it in that same moment can reinforce this feeling of oh i have so much you have so little. Let me kind of give to you in a way. That is less about compassion which is in this tradition. A relationship between equals. And it's more like pity like And and it carries with it over responsibility of like Oh i you know. I i have so much you have little like. I have to fix a head to fix your life. you know and it's such a burden Rather than seeing one another as each having the skills and the capacities in the destiny relate to meet the circumstances of our lives into grow from them in a way that moves us all towards liberation And so i think that's a difference with real friendship. It's like it's a relationship between walls. it is not as clean as ally ship. And that it's not as it's it's ignites transactional. It doesn't have as much of a set of rules. I think it's it's messier and often inconvenience you know. And i think that it's the kind of intimacy that brings up for us the places where we're each still caught. You know in trying to get what we want. Being unable to mount will be know taking what's not ours feeling superior inferior and there's a way that will begin to close. Relationship was messy and unsatisfactory aspects of relational experience. Come up and they can come up in a way in relationship where we can. If we meet them consciously in with enough stability and resource we can actually can actually both grow spiritually and that it does create the foundation for as you say having such a profound understanding of one another is humanity and having such a unforgettable experience of being human together that we can't not show up for one another that we we are compelled the a the frame for your frame for radical friendship and in fact the whole structure of the book is based on what you share the admit us with the d. seven qualities of friendship. And you also you share some practices. Nearly what do we actually had. We what we do. How do we step into this. One of them is I mean they're all the powerful and interesting one really jumped out at me because it's also one of the four measurable z- Would you like what you describe sympathetic joy Which has been the. It was taught to me. Originally as as the i think. The language was appreciative. Joy and what my mind heard when i heard the description of that is actually not a different ancient language which was yiddish. And there's a term called nakas in yiddish which like the grandmothers would use and it's essentially it is. It's the feeling that you feel when somebody you love so wholeheartedly goes out into the world and in somehow has embraced or succeeds. That you feel that as your own. And so i've always interpreted that that one immeasurable as in in my mind it just lands office and that that is something you know as a parent. That's something that you you come to feel profound by and just like reading through a lot of thoughts and and retouching back into that practice. I'm like yeah you know if we feel this for people who who seem in many ways different from us but we can develop a level of compassion and friendship and vulnerability and openness that. We can actually feel that for each other. I feel like so much get solved On a lot of different levels yeah word nafez. I remember it. I think in one way that is true that to be able to feel a deep joy at someone else's joya success Really wears down the feeling of me being separate from you. Because if i can have experience of joy at seeing your join your success in your happiness than that veil between you and i become thinner away like it. More permeable We're aware of that permeability. What came over and over again. The writing this book is the way that Living within assistance of societal injustice make so complex these these These heart qualities right And same thing with What people often ask me in classes. We teach me dita's like is it. What about what about someone who derives from something that causes harm to someone else now and of course that's not it's not the same kind of heart quality with by that is that kind of joy is like a a whole joint. It's a joy that someone experiencing joy at someone's joy that is the result of their own merit or good fortune. Joy this life-affirming and I don't think that we need to be encouraged or feel compelled to try to try to generate a sense of like happiness or even feeling okay with someone who's like you know joy or happiness comes on the backs of other people suffering and i also think that you know the opposite of what he says. Nb and disconnect rise in friendship too you know like if there's somebody who's having like you know a great book deal or an amazing partner are They appear to be having just their best life in this moment. And we're not can feel like oh that their success or happiness detracting bit for my own sort. Is this incredible healing. That can happen through being able to to access happiness at our friends good fortune. I think there it's also liberal or sometimes we really don't have enough you know and so it would be. I think inappropriate to say to someone who's Material needs aren't getting mad or who is because of racism are transphobia or you know fat phobia or some other form of oppression continually passed over for opportunities to be like. Oh just be happy for your friend like no actually. This is a moment where my sense of envy is tipping me off that. There's something got i want. You know they don't currently have in that that there's nothing like not spiritual about wanting to be happy wanting to have a beautiful experience in this lifetime also so not counter what he said but just kind of add on like an end to demonstrate how how infinitely more complex is to practice these principles around friendship in a society like ours. Yeah no i think. It's a really important distinction nationally. Appreciate you sharing that And i agree it's complicated. You know part of what you're signing up for is is that it is complicated and that there are real hard truths you know and real inequities of and that's all part of what we're saying yesterday was like. Let's actually let's step into this conversation. Let's step into the abyss container of action taking naturally like expanded but Yeah i saw so many powerful ideas But just the notion zooming the lens out of friendship as a mechanism for not only the the betterment of my life in your life okay. We're new friends but like it's actually potentially mechanism for broader impact and justice social justice and change and to drop back into more of the buddha's language liberation You know. I think it's it's a powerful notion one that i'll be sitting with for a long time Feels like a good place for us to come paul circle in our conversation as well so hanging out in this container of good life project. 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Bob Dylan's Christian Period (Entry 138.AC1631)

Omnibus! With Ken Jennings and John Roderick

1:00:51 hr | 2 years ago

Bob Dylan's Christian Period (Entry 138.AC1631)

"I would not drive a story that you tell it to. My daughter was beaten to death and Katharine Townsend host of the True Crime Podcast Casts Helen Gone and I'm heading back to Arkansas on a new case to find out what happened to Jamie Ward on September ninth nineteen eighty nine. There's no justice done. It hurts hurts a lot of people listen to Helen gone. That's H.. E. L. L. and gone on Apple podcasts or on the iheartradio APP or wherever you get your podcasts omnibus is a production of iheartradio and we are Ken Jennings and John Rodrick we speak to you from our present which we can only assume as your distant past the turbulent time that was the early twenty first century during the great cataclysm that will surely befall our civilization. We began this monumental reference of strange obscure human knowledge these recordings represent our attempt to compile and preserve wonders esoterica that would otherwise be lost so whether you're listening from an advanced civilization or just reinvented the technology to decrypt transmissions. This is our legacy to you. This is our time capsule. This is the on the bus breath you accessed entry one three eight dot eight c one one six three one certificate number three nine three two three Bob Dylan's Christian. They believe that all religions gene is our religion is repressive. Two degrees religion is another form of bonding with Whitman Advance to get craft guy but that's why I crack crack religion. He preached the truth in the rain alive. He said he'd come to pick his life and led more in front of me about life. Bob Dylan's Christian period Bob Dylan's Christian period. That's my Jews for Jesus t shirt that I am I wrong in thinking that we have been a a little hard on Bob Dylan on the omnibus like if your only source about the twentieth century is these series of recordings. Wouldn't you just think thinks that he's a Dick in <hes> in don't look back right. He is terrible intellect back. He's mean to reporters reporters. He's been to Donovan Donovan dressed as a reporter wearing a hat with a label says press in it. I think it's easy to be hard on dylan because he's so lionised he everyone that should have been hard on him. Wasn't your punching up basically yeah. That's right when you punch Bob Dylan my my friend David Reese who food is a world famous anti skeptic who truly believes he's a true believer. He wrote the comic. Get your war on correct but he is of the opinion that the death of Bob Dylan will more than any other popstar be the one that that that the irritates gen-x up no it will it will it will demarcate the change when Dylan dies. Everything thing goes with him generation. That's right so every single publication will have it on the front page. It will be like Lady Diana there except there will be seven million times more critical reappraisal of his catalog and his significant. We've already lost to Beatles. I mean we we have the experience and so that's the argument against this idea of Dylan is well. No Paul McCartney really is the bigger but he says no no no no. We've already already lost you. Beatles McCartney will get you know he'll get a good send off. He will probably outlive ringo at least hard to know though Ringo. Just you know plan just pieces his way through everything we can look younger every time I said what's he doing wrinkle could be I mean Ringo has never exerted himself gleason all playing the drums shitting Edel. If you want to live a long time she played a little tennis or something I mean he's still gets out but I guess Paul. McCartney does too Paul still does three and a half hour shows polls vegetarian balls Mitch and I'm Paul did fewer drugs. Oh well Paul would argue that no he was right there doing the drugs. That's one of the one of the things about Paul is that he he he has very little sense of how it looks when someone praises John Lennon and he has to step in and say well you know we knew due to others that to what does that so who's the last I it depends on who the last Beatles will be like Ringo is the last beadle then you know nobody's GonNa be beating their breasts and putting on sackcloth and ashes. He'll be on the cover of time probably but yeah it's not time will not there's a hostelry concept of time but Paul Circle. I think that's right. That's right time time. We'll be a MOEBIUS. A Strip club Newsweek will be a flat circle. <hes> the the thing about Paul. Is We already know we've already evaluated Paul all away but dylan remains a mystery. He's an enigma he really is. Did you read the story. It wasn't that long ago that he got picked up by the cops in some <hes> in some like New Jersey Beach town like blue collar beach down just because he was walking around late at night in a Hoodie just keeping in windows and the somebody called the cops on this Weirdo and begin grab picked him up and he was like Oh. It's Bob Dylan if he I was just like Oh yeah. I liked to do well on the one hand. I like an old white white person getting arrested just for wearing a Hoodie. It seems only fair sure but also windows wants material music might have been just one of those small towns where the houses are close to the street so you can't help but look in the window of his next album is all like songs from New Jersey living rooms and they watch in American idol but they're watching it on devaux. Although those New Jersey beach towns are like it's like a their blue-collar places springsteen territories called the cops she was like hey bob come over and he's like hey there's going to be this Weirdo on the Kreiner. Well springsteen is part of that generation of artists that we forget were doing rip-off artists. Dylan is in the period. We're going to be discussing in the early eighties a lot of Dylan's onstage comments are like well. That's what they say about springsteen. He's obviously clearly like the idea that there's a new dylan. Topping the charts really looms large. I think there's a story of him meeting the boss and saying saying hey what's the line. I'm going to call him. The boss is that is that is that how you're going to play this episode future every time we refer to springsteen or or as I call it a boss the chairman of the board and he says I think he says something springsteen like I used to be you or something well. I mean if you think about it. I know I got. I got tell the story go ahead. I hear you're the new me Oh you're the new kicking the little cutting Bob but and especially Ashley Bhai One thousand nine hundred eighty he'd been the new Bob for like a year by then but if you think about him with his beard and his floppy hat and his like his fake Middle American again <hes> working man thing the like long songs with multiple versus where there's never really a could never resolves about people getting in their car. It's yeah it's a it's a more working class Dylan. My take about springsteen is that he is deeply cheesy. Oh you're coming out just full fool swinging it. The boss and I have been told by springsteen fans that is not a fair take but really I mean when when you think of the appeal of this guy ever you know the fans will lionize the Strip down spare lyrics of instrumentation of Nebraska or the social commentary on but you know to see him in concert concert where he's Kinda Yukking it up with Clarence and there's big cheesy Saxophone Solos gone of course we can we can besmirches members cleanses son. Did you know that how great is that. It's great. I love on that happen. It's just like when Zak starkey plays in Time magazine was ZAC. starkie dies so yeah so doing is not cheesy if you can't say that I don't know that's the problem doing. What can you say <hes> you? I mean this is why when he dies it will just be one piece after another. Did you read his autobiography Raffi Confessions. It's called no. What's it called? It's like it's volume one. It's it's not it's chronicles chronicles chronicles volume eagerly waiting volume. Do It's like the traveling Wilbur is I can't wait for volume three skift gift volume. It's an amazing book really great read Good Writer get storyteller. It tells stories kind of it's not art chronological. It tells stories across his whole career so the book is about Oh mercy from nineteen thousand nine weirdly right he's he's super down on Daniel and wall price and and and it's hilarious and it did that amazing thing which is it made him more mysterious not less because of just the structure of it and how you would choose how you choose to write that question to me is how much of that is calculated but refusing to accept the Nobel prize I mean it's ridiculous that they nominated him. You can see a bunch of Swedish blurb rumors like Oh as we call them the boomers but the idea that they would give him the Nobel Prize for literature is like an insult to everyone. It'd get its retroactively an insult to Gabriel Garcia Marquez. Is it worse they went Obama got the peace prize after being in office for like four months but not as bad as Henry Kissinger but but for him to refuse it what what is what is in. I guess you could say is like the ultimate honor. Is there a higher human honor than the Nobel Prize for Literature Churn making noises about how it wasn't going to show up and so forth he did in fact finally accepted after a lot of back and forth oh he did yes but it was all very fraught like Dylan setting. He's not gonNA come to the ceremony. He's never gonNA come and Yeah I wait does that him service of outsider when you're when you're in your seventies and have a Kennedy Center honor and a he's churlish he's always been churlish <hes> and that is something in our culture that we still admire. We admire churlishness. If if the catalog backs it up yeah I mean we're fascinated by the fact that we that we're fascinated by the fact that we don't get him that. He's a chameleon that he keeps changing. This is the thing about Oasis Oasis came on the scene and they were all they were pre churlish. They already had a bad attitude and they hadn't done anything and then they made some records that you know that some argue were middling. They're pretty good yeah. You don't like you always this records very much. I was listening to blur on our road trip the last week and I was listening to blur and I was like you know I want to be blurred guy and ads. There's no song on here. That's as good as as you know any Song Glory or which one were you listening to like like I had Park Clark Law on which is a great album and I really wish that I liked the songs better than always the songs and I'm on a slave to the thing about Brit pop is they forgot the pop about half half the time they made a bunch of stuff that sounded like the kinks but the kings knew how to write songs and the and those guys Kinda didn't Parklife his park light is such kinks with record I was I was noticing that this time but Dylan back to. I don't understand how I mean. Paul McCartney talks about when they saw Dylan at Royal. Oh Albert Hall and I think it was len and more than Paul that was just like the audience was quiet. There was no screaming. They listened to him like it was a religious service and Lennon wanted that literary pretensions he thought of himself as a poet and so this guy is actually doing it. This guy's getting mass crowds for these dents Elliptical Lyrics John rondos Hubbard writes Norwegian Wood and they were the most famous band in the world but it was not the fame they wanted. It was teams but Paul didn't mind teens he never mind they were a boy right and and what Paul didn't learn from Dylan is be a little churlish every once in a while like for the love of God stop he doesn't have it. It ended up up pandering so doing that little roof as Paul but I should be more of a dylan knowledge EST than I am. Do you feel like you're not not nearly nearly enough intimidating cannon yes. There's there's there's hundreds of works and fans know about thousands of more works and you have to know all these different names days Eh yeah and if you if I mean dylan is the crossover artists like if you buy those British like hi fi by magazines or if you if you buy sound on sound or whatever some some British snob Music magazine they will talk about Dylan where they would never talk about the Beatles or you know or hardly ugly is hardly would make profits without honor in his own country you know but I mean Dylan is also jazz. I mean he's also pure <music> folk. If you WANNA call him that but he's also like revenue stay he's like Miles Davis of the of the three chords so many <hes> reinventions right famously plugging in at the Newport folk festival and today. We're just like so what's the big deal of course of course a couple of times have electric guitar yeah no that was against everything that folks for everything and then after the motorcycle accident kind of reinventing himself as kind of acoustic the basement tapes and kind of pared down rustic sound which turns into straight up country on Nashville skyline and then those Daniel Lenoir C._R._V. around the country so this is right on the heels of that in the early in the late seventies Bob Dylan pulled off perhaps his most surprising reinvention when he became a born again Christian. It's still it's still resonates across the world. It's still seems weird because you know it existed. You're like wait really like as a bit as is a bit right but for three records how Mutter Luigi of record how much still to this day. Do you suspect it's a bit I kind of assumed it was because he's clearly he's a troll. He was one of the earliest roles he took pleasure in finding out what the what would piss off a bunch of folks what would make some Dingus at the Royal Albert Hall Yelled Judas at him and and then he would do that and he would say things interviews just to Piss people off. He was capricious and that's what you hate about him in. Don't look back that he likes is to get a rise. Outta people right but the thing about in don't look back the one of the things that makes it unbearable is that you also don't feel he's as quite as clever as he has the pretense that he is right. I mean the Beatles in those interviews where sixty guys is in the TAB. Collars were shoving microphones in their face and saying like well. The Americans are not GonNa like you. What do you say to that all your haircut and the Beatles those are hilarious. They've got a good joke for every question yeah but they're also there's they're throwing it back at them and Dylan just kind of says these cryptic things that are mean and also so they just feel like they just feel like churlish. Teenager could come up with that like. Oh you know what about your mom or whatever you know. It's just it's not as funny as you want isn't at the guy who should find Jesus like don't we need these churlish people examining their soul see their black black souls. He looked for a look for it in every kind of of of <hes> of dysfunction and then he then he got on the straight narrow it wants difficult too so the story of you can reconstruct the story of Dylan's conversion in nineteen eighteen seventy eight. He's from from well. It was all little he refused to talk about it sure for the most part and I think he was wise to do so because the last thing you want from you know we say he's cryptic but do you really want that guy being sincere importing start. Let's one of the weirdest things about his conversion. Well no now. Let me ask you. This isn't one of the doctrines of being a Christian to spread the word about being a Christian. He is absolutely doing what <hes> <hes> <hes>. What a good Christian. Should you when he makes three. Maybe mediocre records. Oh I see that's his testimony. That's his testing because the records are not subtle at all as we will see but he's careers at a low point in the late seventies street. Go has been a huge flop a huge flop because it didn't have the tunes yeah you know. Even if you're a villain named one song on the street it's not his most fertile creative team out out in the disco era. Yes it doesn't. I don't think it sounds disco but that's the thing it's forget up disco and Punk Rock. We're moving things along. This was also kind of fallow period for Neil Neil young but he he took it all the way to like do op record and then he made trans which was all like through evoke odor like he was he could have just found Jesus. He cut moving. It's much easier <hes> but I think Bob's also drinking too much just divorced his wife. Sarah and it's an ugly divorce she claims most likely because of his ugly behavior she claims in one of the proceedings that she came down to breakfast one morning and he's there with the kids and his girlfriend with whom he spent the night poor Jacob of the wallflowers sitting there eaton is honeycomb to one day. I'm going to read a pop song and he comes down and I guess I think it's this very morning. He Hits Her in the John tells her to leave out of her own house out of her own house in her telling of the story out of for big brass bed so he's lost the Lady Lee you know I've been feeling kind of down Ken. 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We used to listen to them on tour because you could just put that record on and after twenty minutes you'd be like this is the same mm song it is right. There is something kind of good on his the father of kind of transient music because that's that's happened to me and I think there is something that separates separates me from a true Dylan Allah just because I will Padilla record and enjoy it. I don't mind the voice I don't mind the harmonica. I can see the craft in the songwriting and it really is just all seem like one long song. What's cool about him. Is that his vocal <hes> his his vocal cadence kind of trips along and his guitar chords don't come. It's not just one four five over and over like he. It feels almost like he's changing the chords on the guitar to suit. What are you saying <hes> rather than having his vocals followup set pattern so it does have this kind of tumbling somersaulting somersaulting feel where you're never sure really I mean until he starts singing the chorus you're never really sure where he is in any given inverse or any given moment you can't you cannot in Dylan easily. Predict like here comes the chorus because he's doing this and if you've ever seen him life he does he he. He accentuates that by making it impossible to sing along. Even if you know this well now he will reinvent it on the fly. Just crazy yeah just so that nobody can know what's going to happen next Nagy. His live shows now are an act of like aggressive contempt for his audience. I've seen him do most of the show with his back to the crowd which is and he's just like mumbling winging sitting at the piano for the whole show. I wonder if some of the appeal of listening to these records is not unlike the podcasting appeal in our era where you just you feel like you're hanging out with somebody like they're not performing you just feel like you're kind of in the room with Dylan as he talks and Scots and the noodles on the harmonica for a second like he because he doesn't have a a vocalist voice you know but he but he hits these emotional high points that that few ever do oh and he does it routinely and it's just a combination of the sadness in his voice the the sort of casual <hes> his casual flow and then some beautiful couplet words where you're like oh well that just killed me for the rest of the afternoon yeah and he does over and over and over again and that I think is what contributes to this feeling like. He's a prophet. He's a monk. He's a he's must know something. We don't know he's a deacon in some crazy the church that that he won't reveal which made the Christian thing that much because people wanted to know the secret like he he did not want to be the voice of a generation Chen and everyone wanted him to be that prophet and tell them what to do and who to vote for and what to do in Vietnam and he hated that and the fact that he's visit. He's Jewish ads this sort of Kabbalah mystical mystical element for for mainstream America like Oh. He's a you know he's come from a from an ancient line. He's a Cohen although it's not aut but you know like that that feeling that he has arrived through Minneapolis through Duluth thriving driving duluth synagogue so he's having a hard he's having a hard Nike seven hundred seventies once upon a time. You look so fine. The diamond is prime but and in hindsight he talks about how he felt empty. You know the crowds were still there but he would leave the show just feeling empty. I'm I'm sure that's not. I'm sure it's not an uncommon sentiment isn't for musicians. He's probably only that but he happens to be on San Diego in November nineteen seventy eight where some random person in his telling throws a silver cross up on the stage and for whatever reason he just grabs the cross sticks it in his pocket does a berm is that what do you think that's what happens. When a person of the Jewish Jewish persuasion touches across John I never touch across on that just a rare chance that it will burn me think about what is a vampire yes or no answer the question. They seem like dangerous weapons in the wrong hands the next night. He's doing a couple of nights later. He's doing showing Arizona and he's he's gone from bad to worse. He's in the dressing room backstage agents wearing the same shirt existential crisis we'll saint pants apparently because he reaches in his pocket and fight sees the Cross and he has kind of a mystical experience dance and he says that later later describing what happened to him in his hotel room that night he says Jesus did appear to me and King of kings and Lord of Lords and die on the cross for all mankind unkind what he calls a knee-buckling experience like he like he describes it as kind of a road to Damascus reckoning with the reality of Jesus and Christianity Christianity now. Let me ask you this. This is a personal question but as someone who grew up in a faith who has maintained that faith. Have you ever ever had a will. You describe a truly mystical experience. I would say very very rarely and I would. I would never kind of use that kind of you've knee-buckling saw the light kind of language zero you already were in the light it. Does it's true that when you're surrounded by water like a fish you know maybe you're less likely way to have that kind of WHOA. This is a new emotion kind of thing because I have had that experience a mystical and can conversion experience and it's what helped me get sober. I years is not necessarily religious in it was there's a higher power. Yeah I mean that's the problem with getting sober sober and the thing that so many people who are using drugs who don't want to really get sober yet <hes> the the main complaint of of the sort sort of alcoholics anonymous version of it is that you is it requires that you believe there's something bigger than you which seems less less relevant every day yeah and it does but it doesn't. It doesn't specify what that can be. You know it could be the Coca Cola company and anything that has a <hes> that has the capacity to to <unk> a share some of your burden something other than your own intelligence in your own will it could be could be an abstract concept. Could it be could it be a sense of oneness with my fellow man universe verse and Okay something just to bear some of the responsibility for the world and and by extension your path through it other other than just you and your ear overwhelming smartness and power. It's going to be hard for the new atheists. I think it was hope they stay off the it was really hard for me the as it is. I think for a lot of addicts because you know you'd really do believe that here the you're. You're the one that sees most clearly right. That's one of the one of the Paradoxes Fox's of being high on drugs is that he think you've got the real picture and everybody else's living in a dream or living the rest of the scheepers I asleep in the world right and so when I had that I mean I had a similar kind of moment where I was just like. I can't do this anymore and and I mean almost almost the light from the moon penetrated the forest where I happened to be standing calf deep in and snow or I'm sorry <hes> Thi- deepens now and it was just like Oh and I mean I'm not a religious person but but it was it was profound founding transformative and that was the last night I ever drunks. I feel like when I've had those experiences like they have felt meaningful. They have felt like not rational and coming from outside myself but they have not been have been more subtle than what Dylan describes here well in this and you're I mean most people I don't think are looking for conversion from one empty soulless plot to a life of meaning. I think most people are like well. There's there's a meaning in my life already and I'm not ready to sell it all one of the things that seems to have led dylan from this moment of epiphany to a new lifestyle is and this is maybe an underreported part of the story that he is always apparently been very appreciative of black women. Oh that's it's not really in evidence in the the women. He's publicly chosen to Bradfo. Apparently he has had a series of secret relationships even as even a secret wife wife I think in the eighties and a series of of children that these have all sprung from his habit of dating his backup singers wow and so he's got he's got a series of relationships with women with backup singers who are come from Christian backgrounds. Many of them still practicing in his employees right right. I mean there's really nothing about this story. That makes him look good in the fact that he's a serial secret merrier and data her of his backup singers but over the course of his career. Many many people presumably have told him he needs Jesus Right. You know what you need Jesus Bob and in this time in particular he's dating a series of his you know the the backup singers who sing session singers who Sing Gospel inflected backup stuff on his records and concerts. The style uptown right a woman named Clyde king a woman in Helena Springs Carolyn. Dennis is the one I think he secretly married in the eighties and has a child with do any of these women appear in the movie <hes> twenty feet from stardom or whatever I don't think so but these women recommend praying and scripture to him and I think there's one in particular an actor not one of the series but a Black Equity Stadium named Mary Alice Artisan Actress who says oh I'm going to this Great Evangelical Church in the Valley. You should come with me to vineyard fellowship and it turns out somehow that a couple of his muscle shoals backup guys including t-bone Burnett are also going to vineyard fellowship in the late Seventies. These guys all have their their little Sunday school that they've been going to you and has no intention of going to services but one morning he just sits Bolt Upright at seven A._M.. And things okay this is going to go their Bible class class. What if he does talk all the time he does? Maybe this plotline is what ruined the book a walk across America. There's there's a wonderful the there's three quarters of a wonderful book called a walk across America where a guy sets out from New England to walk across America and I read it when I discovered the title. I was like amazing. This is it that you you are a walker across things. I love this. I you know this was before. I'd really really walked across that. Many thing did this help you walk more and bigger things <hes> it did reading the book but unfortunately he walks down the east coast down through Appalachia down into the south somewhere he has a dog like a Husky dog or something the dog dies he's sad and he walks past a <hes> a revival church you know a a tent revival or maybe he's staying with somebody and they're like come to church with us and he does and the light comes down and it just like the scene in the Blues Blues Brothers where <hes> where Elwood does the does the somersaults up the aisle and then he immediately stops walking across America Erica and it becomes like a book about his Christian Conversion Commission from God and it's just like wait a minute. This isn't a walk across America that you like walk through four states eight and swim aw I hate that sky don't lie so don't starts going to this church in Tarzana and Bible study in Reseda and did this make the newspapers not at the time not until he went public which happened shortly thereafter but apparently in his accounts of it the the scripture seem to mean seen a lot to him like I guess as literary person himself and somebody who kind of sings these prophetic sounding text seeing the original sure appears appears to really speak to his soul sure it's like <hes> it's like reading Shakespeare in jail and he appears to take it as fact you know that well hey this is Jesus said he's coming back so so watch out he is were his parents devout Jews more so than him. I guess he never practised but when his mom here's the news news that he's now a proud person or a vineyard fellowship above a real estate office in RESEDA. She's pretty mad but he was bar Mitzvah often. Yes and I think she starts sending rabbis over to like kind of try to talk him down. Oh Wow it's like a scene from the exorcist right or any hall backwards but <hes> he's he's very convinced another thing that convinces him as these books by this guy named. How linzie do you remember this phenomenon where the Books Evangelical Guy who <hes> in the late seventies comes to believe that because Israel has been restored to Palestine that the end of the world is now imminent? Oh sure this is still a sir. This is a very popular doctrine among evangelical. It is and very very he you know he's the guy that kind of he's patient zero for a lot of this stuff about how like <hes> like the vision of the book of Daniel when there's The statue has ten toes that represents the European Economic Community and that's the last step of the new Roman Empire before Christ comes again this it was all taught to me as fact on worksheets when I went to a methodist elementary school and come to find out it comes from this how Lindsey Guy who's who's predicting that Jesus GonNa come back in the eighties on this is why the Hasidim <hes> live in Brooklyn only speak Yiddish because because the idea of <hes> they're scared of how Lindsey will know the idea of speaking Hebrew as a language in Israel that is only meant to happen after <hes> the Messiah comes back and so to do it afford to make Hebrew the state language of Israel is a is a <hes>. It's haram. I didn't realize they would probably use the word Horon. They have trump. Is that right. I didn't realize that it was a choice not do they believe that they would actually invoke the apocalypse where they just be cheaper or or is it just like you gotta. I feel I feel like it's a it's. It's it's bad it's bad voodoo. I mean you can you use Hebrew as a religious language but you don't use it as a mercantile one certainly so vicious survives you'll be they'll had like a Hebrew dictionary but like behind glass with like a case of fire you know and I think we we all know Messiah Glass so so you know there's this culture of how it's so important that the state of Israel be converted to the Jewish people discover their true Lord and Savior so this is the Jews for Jesus the Jews for Jesus exactly and Jesus people start camping out at Bob shows because because very soon he starts doing material from his new record slow train coming which is much to the delight of all of the fans that are there to hear like a rolling stone rock critics hated and the fans are confused because what happens is he refuses to do any old songs boy so he's got one gospel record and he's launches a nationwide tour. He the only does the songs on slow train coming. This is a nightmare. You're not a big fan of the part of the show where the guy says we're GONNA do sung off the new record he really GonNa do the new record tonight from the new record and especially like with his Hare Krishnas there in the in the lobby handing out brochures pamphlets. It's like the opposite of walking through Williamsburg in two thousand nine in what way there's no. There's no other stores. There was a period and I think it may even still be true true that in <hes> in Williamsburg that neighborhoods in Brooklyn there that were that had a concentration of orthodox Jews the young young Orthodox guys would stand out on the street corners and flagged down hipsters because it was it was the neighbor was polluted with hipsters they would flag down hipsters that looked Jewish and say are you Jewish and if you were they would say you need to get right with God and they'd try try to convert you know like just innocent Jewish hipster kids walking around Brooklyn to to Orthodox Uday and if you weren't Jewish like me I mean I had a beard did he did they let you go with a warning and I would say like no and they'd just be like you. Don't you know keep moving. It's just like when it's just like when you walk past somebody from the Nation of Islam handing out <hes> the newspaper <hes> they don't look they're not looking at me right. Why why do you can walk on by? They're not they're not trying to an want to me. Every song on slow train coming is explicitly based on scriptural text in the way a preacher would base his sermon on Second Corinthians to eleven under whatever that's going to be interesting literary device and it's not even gotta serve somebody. which is the big hit? You know that's that's it's a biblical text and <hes> it's an interesting song because you know this is the guy who for decades said don't follow leaders. Watch the parking meters. I'm not here to give you the answers and now he's like what you you gotta serve somebody. I'm gonNA tell it to you straight now. Maybe the devil or it might be the Lord. Was it a hit. It was a big hit. It was his first hit in three years. He won his first grammy. Wow for got hurt or somebody forgot to serve turf somebody and wasn't wasn't overtly understood in the press had had he already publicized his conversion and it was already a problem for everybody and then he had a hit or was this kind of the way the the story got introduced no he he had already been very publicly Christian in his live shows and talking about the new record and all you'd have to do is listen to the record once because it's not the ambiguous kind of Christian rock I was getting my haircut with my son and just a barber shop in Seattle neighborhood the other your day and we had been sitting waiting for about five minutes and I realized that the Christian Rock Station was on in the in the salon yeah and it because it's just kind of <hes> you know and I need you so much. He's kind of generic lyric. My One true love. You can't tell if the why and you has a capital or not you know then then I'm like these guys are thinking I think they're singing about Jesus and not about a lady Nice Lady. I was at the State Fair last summer and there was this amazing troupe of of like a sort of contemporary ballet it was all women and they were dressed in very gauzy outfits and they were doing this. I mean they took up the entire stage with their. What's your favorite kind of outfit right but also they were doing this very sort of sweeping in kind of a theory of movement let the record show the Jonah's mimicking just back and forth with be and it was beautiful I was captivated and I sat sat in the chair and watch they were in pastels and I was just like what am I seeing? This is who in our world today spent this this much time making art that isn't ever going to be profitable right. This isn't a thing that nobody's going to get famous from this but they're incredible like I I kind of imagined the maybe I would hire them to do this. Behind my band while I say my sat indirect songs because it would be a huge hit and he was there for forty minutes before I realized that this was Jesus cult and they were doing this for or Christianity as it's called now they'll call you. Are you like in the Roman Empire College but there was some there was something very guilty about it like like dancers would come on and off the stage and the ones that were off the stage. We're still visible both to the audience and to the people onstage and they were doing the hands of praise which at first I took to be touchdown well. I'm part of part of the dance like a gesture of the dance because I'm not I don't have the vocabulary of like right. How many how high your hand has to be in the air like where it switches is from SIEG Heil to like praise Jesus I just I don't know what the angle is? Mormons are pretty low church. We don't have any of that. You don't raise your hands up in the air and waving like you just don't care because you care. We care too much for that kind of thing a lot of emails about coal cases all the time and usually when look a story. I can tell them. The first five minutes probably happened but this one was really strain. I'm Katherine Townsend host of the true crime podcast Helen gone in hours our asking people what's wrong what's wrong and we got the sheriff's Office. He said James Dan no explanation. Janey Ward Ward was sixteen years old when she died under mysterious circumstances she was at a party at a cabin in the woods in the small town of Marshall Arkansas Robert Story that she fell off port daughter would be today. I'm heading back to Arkansas on a new case to find out what happened to Janey Ward on September Ninth Nineteen eighty-nine listen to hell and gone. That's H.. E. L. L. and gone on Apple podcasts or on the iheartradio APP or wherever you get your podcasts but anyway slaughtering coming is not that kind have a stealth Christian record like here's here's the lyrics on one song Jesus said be ready for you know not the hour in which I come. He said he who is not for me is against me just so you know where he's is coming from. It's not you know it's pretty easy to see that Bob. Dylan had a change of heart yeah right the lyric well. It seems a little bit militant right. He's got a bandolier neuron well. That's what happens I mean. The record is preachy in the literal sense that he has discovered something that he thinks everyone needs and he wants them to be saved saved too. I think Ginsburg came backstage at one of the shows and said man. I thought you were going to be a Christian like William. Blake Dillon was going to be visionary. Ginsberg GINSBURG was annoyed that it was actually <hes> yeah it was it was anger and <hes> and what justice I imagine that we're talking about Allen Ginsberg here not not justice cannot Jessica's where she was not at the show but but I I'm sure future links are like way way those are different people but I I bet allen on Ginsburg at other things to be upset about great Halloween couple costume idea Allen Ginsberg. You're going to say Allen Ginsberg and Christian Dylan uh-huh but the record also has dopey songs as well but you know got us her. Somebody's I think is a solid saw. It's on during greatest hits collections to this day but it's also got songs. It's like man gave names to all the animals kind of children's reggae number Charlotte gave names which is routinely called like the worst song in the dylan cannon and it's just is kind of goofy children's Sunday school song about how you know Adams saw one that wasn't too small and he wasn't too big so he called it a pig boy. It's exactly what you would would imagine my kids seeing it. They're Christian youth camp. Kids love reggae. Though if there's one thing that's true then and now is love registers but you know this record gets on winter loves this for the record in rolling stone winter the ultimate the ultimate American critic but when but Wendelin starts touring on this of course it's not just that he's not doing any new songs. It's the <hes> he's also doing eight-minute wraps full of APO- apocalyptic biblical blurred imagery between the songs and ranting about how all the power Satan has. How on drugs is he at this time? I don't think he is I don't think of him as a famous drug Ruggie no although he surely did some. I mean if you look at the at the traveling shows up the seventies. He's pretty cocaine D- yeah I wonder maybe this is still cocaine powered. I mean it certainly the era for it but he definitely has a strange intensity about his police his newfound idea that that <hes> you know Christ will come back to save the Jews like how Lindsey has told him means that he's always putting down Iran because it's the time of the coyle craigslist and the hostage stuff so he's putting down Arabs from the stage and getting booed at one point in San Francisco he puts Sues Dylan for how they're portrayed in the song kosher dill had to give a deposition and he just the whole thing is just him ranting about how this is now Satan's kingdom now and Satan has power and you can't put your treasure measure in the Earth where moth corrupt so the tour is kind of a fiasco rock critics right you know very <hes> unscathed scathing yes kiddingly ungenerously about the shows ticket sales are low. He has to smaller theatres places where in London people had camped out for seventy two hours to buy tickets the year before four now. There's empty seats <hes> when the tour starts in San Francisco and his bob good friend George Harrison comes to see him and after seeing the show checks out the hotel the same night to avoid having to talk to Dylan after and you know if if George thinks your religion is to cookie food that's really John didn't like it either when John gotta serve somebody he wrote his own parody song called serve yourself which explicitly is like hey rockstar who's found Jesus Jesus or Buddha or whatever guess what you know I'll tell you that's pretty John Confrontational answer songs but nobody knew he wasn't going to do the old songs so eventually eventually protesters start holding up signs saying Jesus loves your old songs. Oh protesters Kristie groups start coming there so happy they've got one one of their own now and this is this is before Christian rock was a thing yes so they've got nothing. In the Popular Sphere Christian rock now is a huge business billion dollar business big industry. Do you remember the movie they made about how your favorite Christian rock song got written. There's some I just saw trailer for a movie last year about the story behind the song that changed changed one hundred million lives and I'm like I have never heard this one or whatever this Christian rock classic is called because it's a it's really big but it's behind in its own little find all that is not a paywall John so dylan plays these shows too stunned silence. Maybe applauding Christian church groups next to just old-timey fans that just wanted to smoke up there now pissed shirt but he's not going to do like a rolling stone her Masters Award whatever people out there banging their tambourines and the the old crusty easer right it'd be out of here promoters are just begging him for one old song and he won't do it and in fact. There's a whole you know for the middle of the show I think he leaves and there's six six gospel songs performed by the backup singers several of whom maybe sleeping with the with the clothes back and you know people just start people boo them every night. I've already been church will now. Is there not a dylan song that he could own didn't he. He right I mean he was always writing sort of cryptically in a way that could be interpreted as mystically. I mean that's the weird thing about folk in the in Europe. Folk ballads are mostly about. I don't know about sex right. It's always when I went writing on the heath I found my true love Gentle Jamali McCreevy Eighty or whatever or about putting down the the Lord and his castle. They're all about uprisings for the common man. American folk is generally about how the working class is going to is going to take ownership of the means of production fake goodness said one of these days but it but it's also religious right because it's been tinged by spirituals so you've got all your Michael Roll the boat ashore and and in fact the first Peter Paul and Mary record the first Simon and Garfunkel record these all have classic spirituals on it they have go tell it on the mountain and <hes> disdain is bound for glory on them but it was done not in it was done in earnest as an appreciation of the musical form but not not out of devotion. You never really get the sense is that Paul Simon is like go. Tell it on this weird now to listen to those guys seeing say that Jesus Christ is born which we think of as kind of a Christmas Carol <hes> but but there is a rich religious tradition and folk that he he could have drawn. I think from his earlier albums do you have some of those traditional folk and spiritual song right but I guess he thought I'm like it's mostly symbolic. I'm a new person like I've been washed in the blood of the lamb. I been new person Jason and so no this is Satan wants me to do the old stuff. I'm not. I'm not that guy anymore. I actually washed in the blood of a lamb. I can say that it's not as great as that's how Ringo Starr stays young that stuff drives. He said I don't think any song which hasn't been given to me by the Lord to sing so he kind of felt like he's been inspired. Well what's interesting. Is that a that a lot of songwriters and I think probably Dylan to if he really scratched the surface of it you know we all credit some kind of ether for our best songs because there where did that come from yeah you often sit down at the piano and you write one of your best compositions in the space of time it takes to put Pencil to paper and you go. What the heck was that I I almost had no? I had no input in it at all. It just came. It's not problem solving in any way. No you're not like <hes> how how do I go to the chorus. It's just like cabal and and <hes> and it's not uncommon at all for a song writer to say well. That's just you know it just floated down the song already existed. All I had to do was pull it down from the sky and I'm I mean I've never heard Dylan talk about that but you know the Lord gives us every song to sing well. That's not true some of them. Am I really work hard on well. It feels like the Lord gave him better material in the early Sixties Morris conversion on telling you <hes> the succeeding so he records three full-on Gospel records consternation of this exam. That's a very good point. You just made if the Lord wants to get his message across three minute pop songs like like that's what I like about you by the romantic that's that was about Jesus like Goffin and king are my disciples Naga Bob Dylan so he records to other records saved and shot of love which are are not classics. They're kind of happy with the exception of every grain of sand on shuttle of which which is just an amazing kind of one of these kind of him like songs that feels discovered like you say they are not great. There haphazardly made made the stories of him in the studio slaughtering coming House Mark Knopfler on it which is funny. He didn't know he was going to be doing a gospel record that he got he got roped into this. You WanNa work with Bob Dylan yeah but slow train coming. He just makes with some of his session guys in his girl groups and he doesn't seem that interested at one point he just disappears for four days days. Costa Laguna beach leaves the band just sitting in the studio. He's just walking around with a Hoodie on Laguna beach he <hes> he's eventually the monitor mixes from the day you know at the end of the day or end up on the record because the producer keeps wanting to like you know clean everything up and make it kind of tweaking to make it sound nice. You know all the terminology. That's perfectly. That's exactly what musician producer wanted to tweak it. Make it sound nice. You want you know he wants a Polish mix and Dylan's like no use the monitor mixes you know he doesn't I don't WanNa he's not he's. He's mercurial that guy and a dick as we think just it is another way to put it and he leaves off songs like Caribbean wind and which you know would would have been an actual great song on that record but in the live SOCI- starts mixing in oldies again Oh that's nice and so what happens is even his. His conversion is overnight overnight his kind of return to non to return to secular music slip slide noise gradual yeah. It's like a rolling stone you know it's it's a slow move and he never actually renounced humiliates his religious years as late as the nineties. He'd get asked about it. He'd be like Oh no to me to me. Oh Mercy is kind of a Gospel record. He says music should aim for the sole not the groin. I think you can hear the Gospel influence and mercy so he's you know he never said yeah boy. What was I thinking king? Maybe you wouldn't know that's not Dylan's way and it's not the human way to be like Oh boy I sure got snookered by Vineyard Fellowship. No I confess all my mistakes uh-huh confessional musician but Dylan is not he's a he's cryptic you know well but but I feel like maybe coming to an understanding that you are not the genius unit the boy genius of the world which I think he probably labored under for many years because everybody that he met told him that that probably is transformative if you can if you can stick with it and improves the quality of your life. Maybe that's what he kept with him. <hes> it's certainly true that the you know this kind of material does not play to his strengths. You know he's he's a poet right. There are shades of meaning and subtlety and when you're writing songs called property of Jesus where you've got a you're essentially a pitch man. You've got a message to get out there right. I mean that that doesn't towards the end song like every grain of sand is spiritual without being <hes> unsubtle. I guess yeah I mean the great spiritual. All songs are about someone who is lost. Not what the secret is to getting found. I mean you know lost and them yeah. These are not reflective -flective at all and I and I think maybe that's maybe that's what's missing in them. I'm not the Dylan all just I feel like I should be and to look at his mid. Mid To late. Eighties IMP output like he looked up with Tom Petty and the heartbreakers sometime immediately after this and I think got reinvigorated berated in rock and roll because Tom Petty loved him so much and he had this you know the heartbreakers at the time one of the great backing band and he found the stage stage again and he found the big he found big music again. oftentimes <hes> it really is Tom Petty that ends up saving saving person my religion is Tom Daddy. I think you're not alone and that concludes bump dunes Christian Christian period entry one three eight dot A._C.. One six three one certificate number three nine three two two three in the bus future Ling's unlikely events social media still exists in your era facebook. Twitter and instagram are all great places for you to post your own dylan related material and thoughts. Tell us what we got wrong. 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2019 Week 16 Preview

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2019 Week 16 Preview

"The around the NFL podcast knows what a super bowl tastes like oil. Come to another edition of the around the NFL podcasts presented by the United States Marine Corps. My name is Dan Hans is coming to you for bill. Heroes Mark Sesser. Chris Wesseling Greg Rosenthal. What's up boys it and here? We are here week sixteen. We've been planning this week with like the schedule. We have a different schedule taping money it. It's been a long time. I mean it feels good that we're here It's been a long week. I think who is at the holiday party lesson is so crowded. Yeah I didn't see the two guys at the end where you at the event I was not now. I had intentions to go but today changed my My Ability Party to go and I you know what this closest starting remember finding Richard Simmons the podcast finding marks tessler. I owed honestly the one reason I thought about just this showing up and making an appearance and then literally just finding Dan and then you bring home was to prevent this narrative that you know been totally though. Is that these parties the out with it. That's all you had last year. I remember EMICA Nisi you Exiting as we were arriving. I'm here the plus one situation where you bring significant other in our case we had to both get home for baby sitters and stuff in old. In olden days. I mean meeting like two years ago I would just stay until until the bitter end of the of the e you just want to hang out with him. Let's that's very possible. I think last night would have been the easiest way to do that our for now with no problem Dan. Dan Barely saw west But I did see you WanNa talk about the holiday party and coming where West was at one point in life where he is now ricky. Do we have the image of West at the holiday parts impressive because it is look at this guy now look very or the youtube viewers and check out the youtube. Shall we do it. Live every Thursday if you guys remember several years back when West started this company he made a big event out of or a big to do about out. Listen I'm not gonNA wear no monkey suit you're not gonNA get. I'm not going to the holiday party. Because they're telling me to wear a sweater or they they was like party already casual California cash yet and West Holiday party because of that and now he's wearing a full suit tie and a newsboy cap. Look go there is a theme eighteen team. I just wore what I was told to wear. I just love it. I first of all I wanted you at the party. Couldn't get you the party in two thousand fourteen now. You're the most guide the whole thing. I love it you love you. Love the cancer. It was alive what what changed in your heart in your mind. That got you in the newsboy cap. Why I think he just go? You know it's better to swim with the tide then to swim against. So that's what's going on. Well it was great to see you and looking Judah Fall in her twenties garb as well so it was a great night. Emily came out. It was fun all right speaking of holiday. Good job on the set here. What where's the holiday decorations here in the studio? Where are we on this? Erica yeah the producer of the show. Yeah how about something. Some holly wreaths some Minora on there. If you just give us. Is it in the graphics package. At least I know they do the little green blanket back there. I don't know if this is the studio the time for God in this on this comp no doubt well I think it's appropriate the NFL in many ways you know takes you away from your family During the holidays so why why I. I don't think about what you're losing your children's you two very Spartan Pov. But I think he's right by as my children are like in a plane. You know across the Pacific. I think that like Oh. I'm sorry to hear that. Sorry you're divorcing all right good so maybe we don't need anything Greg Sadness All right let's get into it week. Sixteen here and it's amazing. It's amazing that we we've gotten all the way to this point and this week has There's a little difference. Obviously in the cork scheduled. There will be no Thursday night. Recap tonight because there's no more Thursday night games in fact there's only one Monday night game which is one of the best games of the year potentially in Minneapolis. But we have three Saturday games to get to and and they're all interesting and fun will put them as part of the draft process and Why don't we get into it? Greg look at you top of the world. Look at you picking I in the week. Sixteen draft you in the bengals. It is appropriate right before Christmas. I'm picking I. I'm going saints. Titans early Nice back Sunday. It's crazy but I think this is the biggest game of the week and at least the best game of the week and the most entertaining the game. I want to see the most with the most at stake because the titans are fighting for their lives. I don't WanNa see this titans team away a little bit of trouble now. They're they're like a big play. Play Fun team. I think it's the best titans team. Since Jeff Fisher was their coach in their point differential would indicate that yet they're probably headed for a fourth straight nine and seven in one way or another unless they can beat to really good teams because the saints have even more at stake sometimes. The Super Bowl Path isn't isn't made in the playoffs. It's made in games like this week. Sixteen I'm thinking of when the Texans slipped last week and blew their potential by the saints. Still have a pretty good chance at a by if they win. Two Straight Games here and they have to go on the road with shown lately that they're complete team on defense on offense and I think they've kind of got that I had the tiger that this is just it's such a tough game to pick And I'm looking forward to well. We didn't see really the impact of markets they have important sheldon rankings. HAP- Since the last game against the coolest but we might see it here against Derrick Henry that could be a factor well nail Andrea speed is out. You mentioned Larry Warford went down. We don't know what his status says. I mean that's their on both lines. The saints are a little banged up and you're right it against the you know. Let's totally flop it out colts last time. They didn't get anything done. But the titans to me and whether the wind wind up nine and seven or not and watching them even even losing to Houston. There is something so different about this team. And it's on both sides of the ball and you said a greg. I oh I don't want them to go away. Previous nine seven Tennessee outfits that would roll into that final wildcard spot. They couldn't be out of my life quicker this time around. I'm rooting for them to make the playoffs. And I it's it's funny that Ryan Tannehill would be the antidote to Marcus Mariota one. I'm about to say but it's like more teams when you are stuck with a dull stuck stuck in the mud quarterback that leaves your offense lifeless be willing to make a change no matter where that person was drafted or anything. It's just weird that it's Ryan. Tannehill was equally dull in Miami. Amy has come in and flip the switch but he looks amazing to me. Here's turned Johnny Smith Cari blasingame Anthony irks Khalif Raymond and into a big play threats in that offense derrick. Henry talked about it last week. What's going to be a situation? He's got the hamstring issue. You and he thought he looked okay. He had one run where he had a twenty three yard. Run up the middle but if you took that out he averaged just over three yards carrying the last twenty carries a little more sluggish to you. He did to me is what I'm saying. I and it was obviously a small sample size. He's still got the bulk of the carries a But this'll be another game a big test. They kind of need a big derrick. Henry Game The saints offense obviously is humming as we saw on Monday night. Henry three has to be Henry. He did not practice it all last week. Leading up to the game this week. He did practice yesterday. Wednesday and I don't believe he practiced today and I don't know if that is a sign of something that just a natural maintenance as the a closer to game time but keep an eye on Henry and whether that Hamstring Andrew's going to be something continues the haunting both these teams are so good in short yardage situations. I do wonder though offensively the titans are going to have to score thirty. I think again because West pointed out last week that their cornerbacks are a big problem and watching them. It's like yeah they are. They're injured there but they're like their pass pass rush in theory could make up for but they don't really have a great passer she there so even though I I'm saying this is the best titans team and I do believe that it's not a special defense like they're going to have to win by scoring on most of their possessions and I think they can. I don't think the Saints Defense is GonNa be as good without those two defensive linemen as they looked on Monday night and you're assuming that the same offense which has been hot indoors will also be hot in an outdoor game which drew brees I believe has played one outdoor game finish completed elitist one outdoor game in the last calendar year since week eleven was was one that one so yeah good good. I'm still buying the saints to do think they're going to win. I'm buying that their offense with jared. Cook me too is back in fact and you guys got on me last week and the fair perhaps but I stay with there. I stayed true to the Vegas test This week I will ride with the saints. A truly great super bowl contenders now cresting and building toward January. They're not going to slip slip-up Nice season by the titans there at home. So it's certainly not going to be one where the change should be. Viewed as heavy favorites at desert doesn't think that either but I think the saints role in all all the way to thirteen and three to do that. They're going to have to kill the titans and I'm sorry you titans fans out. There is nothing personal. I like this team. I love what I'm seeing Monday. Night was awesome the momentum so madam is just going to carry on a lock it up the New Orleans Saints on the road taking the titans to win this game. Yeah listen that masculine lock. That's a man locking a cowardly lock has worked out perfect for me personally. I loved your lock last week. Because it showed that the mirror test was always a sham and people people will use it for their own personal interests when possible and it took so much garbage for it that now you have to come with a real strong lock. Sure I don't all but you you you serve the shame because we've always talked about soon. I are in lockstep on the mirror test. which is it has to be within a touchdown Biggest test it was so why are you on. I just knew that the way it was on I got it. Didn't really you know if it really pass the mirror test I would say. Don't don't let you are the you are. It's your thing to come at us hard. If anyone's Mir wants lock doesn't agree with your fear for their lives and saying I'm above that I'm happy. Be that you guys came at me hard and all I can say I get it and I said it when I locked him up when I walked up the seahawks that it was right on the borderline but it was a weird week as we all agreed. So that's what I went with now. Do I wanNA play hero ball and do it West it and lock up a bad chargers team against the Vikings. Well what does that get you pal. Harwood style you've vopin up doorways for us to do as we please from here on out which I which is what I like about it but I stayed within the vegas test is all completely subjective. At this point there isn't there is in the mirror test sham. But you're perfectly fine with the lions being lockable against the buccaneers. At least it's an outside source champagne one more point about this game unless someone else has something else that now after that. Brilliant game by Michael Thomas on Monday night when he went twelve catches on twelve targets. He is now just eleven receptions behind Marvin Harrison for first or passing Marvin Harrison. I've had third in my MVP rankings which is kind of silly because the only vote for one player. He's way behind the other two but to me he he would be number three in the most valuable players and I don't think they survived without your breeze. I don't know if they'd survive without Michael Michael t surviving. How about you to stay right there at one forty two well or you or you or you snap the record and you directly into witness protection for a chunky amount of? Let's take a look at the locks while we hear the standings greg. Maybe that's why you're so upset because you could smell it. You see your first place in China and win it. Can I go nope First Place Ninety six mark you dropped to eight and seven seven and eight and west at six and nine Nice but not out of it all right. Greg does the picks calm if he doesn't win this. A lot of internal questions will be asked about a designated assignments as you know. That's a mountain of pressure question about your. MVP rinks. Why does he have to be way behind? Russell Wilson Elson is just because you don't know how valuable wide receiver can possibly be. He could argue. He's been just as valuable as Russell. Wilson that I don't know I think. Russell Wilson Elson season. Not that it's underrated but Russell. Wilson has had a sensational quarterback season. So yeah I guess I just leaned that way. Maybe we'll get offensive player of the year. They haven't split the award that often often lately. You know I think for the last five years. It's just been the quarterback sweeps the same award which is very boring. You should give Michael. Tom Love Chris Wesseling. You are up next. I will take that NFC East clash. The cowboys at lineup was giants in Washington. They're west with that. NFC cowboys at Eagles. ooh I get wes. We've got a Dak Prescott shorter injury which seems severe enough that they have to get an MRI yet. Jerry Jones is confident. He'll be out there in top form against an eagles team which looks like they finally found something on offense something the hanging our hat on like four players. You've got miles sanders. He Got Greg Ward. He got soccer and you Got Dallas Qatar. So that's a lot more than they have most host the year when they were trying to find anybody Zakar anybody behind him possibly contribute to their offense so I don't think this is the blow out. A lot of people are saying it is. It's some total mismatch where the cowboys are obviously going to take this Well I would say this though after watching Dallas utterly execute the Rams Listen I get that the NFL at this point is just this week to week guessing game because whatever happened the week before has essentially apparently no meaning to. What's going to happen seven days later but I am requesting the Dallas goes into Philadelphia and executes the Eagles because if I had to pick one of these teams and I've been saying all along the winner of this division will win a playoff game? I can see that happening in Dallas in the wildcard round without any reservations. I thought one time you said it. It wouldn't and happened that they were going to get blown out. We heard that as well. Well so what you do is and I mentioned this you you kind of cover all bases. So what ought to do is have Erica will comply why because she she knows. It's good for the show. Bring up the correct soundbite and just sort of you know. Put that on twitter and just say this guy nailed it back in a week. Fourteen that that is the way to do it. What are the ad this is the warning? I believe I said a Tuesday show. Don't listen to anyone that has a surefire take about how the cowboys are GonNa look on Sunday. But it's the same reason why I don't think you're even crazy out on a limb mark. If if the cowboys did finish this regular season strong that at home they could beat a a team. Even a niner's team I mean because you're in your building and it's the playoffs and anything can happen They do have that type of ceiling that they can make noise in January but the thing is they they could also show up they can also not show up in Philadelphia like they could absolutely lose thirty one. Well maybe thirty one points Eagles but they could lose twenty four board to to nine or something and that would send me either. No that would stunned me because the eagles haven't played a game where they've looked good on both sides of the ball all since September. I don't know I mean the eagles are not a good. They are at best a seven and seven team if anything. They've almost played worse. I than seven and seventeen whereas the cowboys last week their offensive line can have this old school sort of takeover game. The Town on defense we've seen is good enough. Both their running game should feel very good coming into this week. I mean miles sanders. Is the key player on the eagles offense right now. And Ezekiel Elliott coming off his best game. And I think he's run well for for a month really. I just don't know what you're getting Outta. Dak Prescott one thing that kind of slipped under the radar. Because they didn't need to throw I mean cooper and Gallup alip combined for thirty five yards a week ago so this injury where that kept that Prescott out of practice a little bit and he's GonNa play through it and it looked to me on the field when he did throw the ball. I don't know well if he's going to be ready in cold conditions to throw at forty times. Let's move on. I will Dip into the Saturday games like I said there's three Saturday games aims to choose from and I'm GonNa go with the big AFC east showdown between the buffalo bills. Ten four at the New England patriots. Eleven three you remember the first matchup between these two teams of very hard fought defensive. Struggle game in which Josh Allen struggled mightily early on but was within striking distance and then got concussed on a hit and at that point. The bills. Just didn't have anything going on offense and the Patriots Atrium one So now we have a game where here we are again. This time. Josh Allen is playing this time it's in Gillette. And what do you expect here. I don't this is another one stuff to tell because you know the bills defense is going to be hyped up for this game they will show up and we know based on what we've seen that the Patriots probably aren't GonNa GonNa find that gear and all of a sudden be shredding team in December. This is a different type of patriots situation now. So what does that mean that means again again. We're in that same place. Mark Josh Allen and that offense just as the find a way to make enough plays against an excellent patriots defense without shooting themselves in the foot which Allen is prone on Detroit's the one thing I can imagine happening because this is what Stefan Gilmore Gilmore who greg you. You've been touting him as the defensive player of the year and I think geared. You're right about that. Let's say he just erases John Brown from the equation and then you're buffalo and you've got Cole Beasley and you're GonNa get a big dose of Devin Single Terry Frank core nailed them for one hundred plus yards the first time they played but that isn't exactly how the bills wanted that game to go in the sense. That Josh Allen to your point has been anti productive against to mingle. They've had his number and over two games and what will be different other than the fact that the bills on national television or magical I mean they just are are fun to watch and they find a way just to get it done and this is the ghost game where it's like New England the same way that you look at the way that the Pittsburgh and Baltimore Zone A bad team seem like Cleveland and the jets have been owned by the Patriots outside of a Rex Ryan Interlude Buffalo's history this deck this century against New England is utterly abysmal. This is your best shot ever to make something different happened. Because New England's offense has not gotten out of the Rut that we said for weeks and weeks it might it. It's a different bills team team than we saw early in the season back. Then it was. Gore's get devon singles added so devon has added so much to this offense he so nifty so explosive at Oliver's plan a lot better Matt Milano and Tremaine admins are playing better as do. Oh you know my colleague colleague on game debut. Andrew Hawkins has kind of an old guys theory and these. It's pretty simple. It's like old guys. Don't don't feel so good in December you know it's like got got interesting theory. Feel right now it really affects you know. An older team and the Patriots are very much. An older team and the bills are very much younger team. And even as someone who has been touting Gilmore and I have them just ahead of Tj. I'm worried about this match because in the first game John Brown and is the type of receiver that gives him the most amount of problems that kind of small speedier receiver and he did get open against Gilmore. A few times made a couple of plays. Alan Miss them a couple a couple of times. You're really going to have to have the Patriots Front I think dominate which they're capable of doing especially in terms of the game plan and Confusing Allen. I'm checking some weather on the A.. The weather channel chilly dry around freezing. You know it'll get darker as the game goes. I mean the team controls the weather up in Foxborough. So don't expect anything to I Anti Patriots. The Bills Defense has allowed fourteen points per game during the stretch where they've gone five into and I think their defense is these are the two best secondary's the NFL felder defense has been almost as good as the Patriots over that stretch. And I'm wondering Greg. which offense do you trust more right now? I put them around the same level. I guess trust the bills offense more right now I do a little bit in a in in equal matchup I and I I do. I trust the Patriots defense though so I don't think it's equal. They'll debates often does one thing well and that's prevent turnovers plus twenty four. That's double any other team in the league. It says just outrageous. It's really there. Oh what the only thing they do well is prevent something. Yeah they just don't make mistakes. It's very similar to one. It's like Tom Brady. That offense was terrible. Terrible the worst offense very likely that ever WANNA super bowl the ravens in two thousand just the year before might might be right there but what they didn't do was like they punted a lot. They didn't have turnovers averse. And that's that's what they're doing their needs special teams and defense. It's it's ugly. Get most new going. This is still kind of surreal to talk about. But you could make the the arguments since about mid season since week nine Tom. Brady's the worst quarterback in football now. I don't think you could make. I'm just a couple of things that could He has the worse. Completion percentage in the League. He has the worst yards per attempt. which is that we? Are we track around these park here. He has the worst passer rating. He is struggling ogling on his quick routes. which is something that has always been A strength of his. He's holding the ball longer since week. Nine than his first eight games and Defenses are not fooled by with Patriots are doing. It's you say okay. But he's such a great game manager. Is Tom Brady. yesterd- worst quarterbacks but this is not got a blip on the radar anymore. This could be the beginning of the end in a very real not joking around a gradual decline way. In if that's the case they're done done right. This is not a super bowl team. We're doing this is. We're doing it but this area I get it. I just said that they need to make the super if they had any route. It's the Oh one route. Which is all defense specialty? You don't need you need to. It's it's very very difficult. You need a lot of luck and a lot of other things to go your way I if if you look at the PF grades he's closer to below average more like over the last five or six. He started out the season. I thought playing very well last week I thought was as very worst game of the season he was. He's missing open. Throws Eshelman is hurt like very hurt and I wish they didn't play him in that game because he was out there you know just dragging his leg around and then they tried to build the offense around new Nikiel. Harry's getting more so if you don't have Eshelman in the line struggling in in Brady is also struggling. You're right IT'S A. It's a lot of things and if I was a bills fan I would be. I would be feeling good about this match. I'm shocked at the Patriots are as favored as they are. I would also go back to that Robbins game and it was a terrible start for buffalo but in the second half. I gave the bills credit for resilient fighting back and doing what they could and making that more wargame than it was and then to turn around and go do what they did to Pittsburgh. They're playing a little bit better than the Patriots. I would still give New England. I slight edge in this game. Because they're at home home and everything and it just wouldn't surprise me if they if they come together and play I would think desert game. That's where the desert's probably coming as a heavy favorite at Foxboro December December. When the chips are down love desert? It barely passes the test of even being a very Very Big Question Greg. Okay and I'm not. This is not me twisting the knife. It's not real questions. Is Tom Brady. The quarterback of the Patriots in week one next year I think so. Yeah look look. I told you he's going to be on the dolphins You know what I know but I write these Sawyer predicts perspective that yet their offense. This is bad but to me. They're still kind of fun team that there are eleven and three and have a chance. But there's nothing funny about this. Now they're different like you've seen a lot of different from Patriot. Seems yes like. There's not as much at stake when when they've won as much as they have but it's just it's different and they're still in the mix plane big games like you said well. At least the bears fans gave him that one game that mattered in week. Fifteen as patriots fans like this game matters. I'm looking forward to looking forward to whatever the like. The Playoff Games are at this point. Yeah they're they're certainly not going to be The favorites Erica. What's it like senior heroes get old? I mean you guys are getting older every day. You know who's my euros Erica. TAMPOSI awesome coming in during this bills pats game and switching out I was right. Phone was all messed up tech wizardry. Mark you're up all all right. I'M GONNA take a Saturday game too and I'm GONNA go. I like to organize my my Saturday. Which essentially is a day off by taking the earliest Saturday game? Which I'll plug in? I'll take my notes and then I'll shift into more leisurely mode with the ladder two games. So I'm going Texans at Tampa Bay and you know what this interesting I feel like what the Texans they. They Intrigue Me Week to week. Because they flop between good Texans Bad Texans and I'm wondering this feels a little trap game because I know that for Tampa Bay. You don't have your top two Evans. You don't have Chris Godwin. That's a concern for Jameis Winston. But they're at home which also to me because because there's just because there was a big pirate ship in the distance. I'm not sure that's what I'd call a massive home field advantage but the Texans often go on. There's actually a battleship protecting the home team. It's deployed sideways. It can't maneuver are actually the water exactly at home and five and three on the road. I'm saying if you don't get a boat in water. Modern have the canons be applicable. And we can talk differently. And I mean Bruce Arians has basically said we're GONNA have to come out and make our running backs are pass catching in weapons in this. And I'm not sure I really trust that committee backfield to do exactly what the James White Act necessarily we'll see but it's it's going to be a limited offense offense. That was one of the most fun to watch explosive offenses of the past few weeks. OJ Howard's heated up. I think they finally figured out how to use him a little bit if no one else that road when no one else and for the Texans. It's interesting I never would have predicted. This is something this is one thing that I would have You know if I had expensive possessions in my ownership. I would've willingly bet against against the Carlos Hyde would have had a one thousand yard season this year. I just did not see that coming. They've found a way to get just enough out of him. And I just looked at Deandre Hopkins did last week in that fourth quarter. He was held down for much of that game. And we talked about our our wide receivers of the decade and to me. He's just one of those guys because it doesn't matter what the situation Asian is or what the quarterback is. He finds a way to get it done. I do believe the Texans are going to win this. And if I'm allowed to lock this I would like to lock the scam tires tires. I'm joining you on this. Let's do it and that's worked out once for US in some other time. You're locking up the Texans on the road. I like how the bucks played. I don't trust I don't trust James Winston Without Godwin and Evans. It's a lot against Jameson December lookout. out is tricky. I mean they've won. What four straight here they? Their offense to me is so good that they will be able to move the ball anyways just in Watson's name to watch I think if you're into fantasy or DFS shutout two atom Levitan team preseason. He was out there in the preseason Justin Watson and I kinda liked what I saw I know when Winston likes them a little bit and you have Howard and you still have brad paramount. They're gonNA need their defense to play well and it has over the last four weeks football doc. CIDER says them as a number two defense in the league over the last four weeks and it's a big test for the Texans who have had great pass protection this year. I mean that is a narrative heard of that died and no one said anything about it. It's like well imagine if the Sun Watson ever had great past president well this is it. They're they're third in the league and pass black grades In by PF EFF. But this is a tough match-up for them against bucks friend. That's really been getting after. Where are we at right now? A shack the shack attack sixteen and a half sacks tied with orange suffer the all time record and he no. He's in spitting distance now of the great flawed. Michael Strahan record. Give that sack record back. Its dignity mark pretty good season. Say That I'm impressed with what he's done on a week to week basis You made the point mark I initially I agree with you. The that the Texans feel inconsistent but to put them in like the cowboys territory. which is not what you did? But they're not they've actually won five of seven. They got killed by the Ravens at a time when everyone was getting killed by the Ravens. And then they legitimately stub their own. Had that awful game against drew lock in the broncos but they've been winning games More or less since the midway point of the season I'd say this if they lost this that theory is back on defense. I think this room doesn't trust. So if if if they had Evans in Godwin man this would be a game but since wide receivers healthy when they've got all three of those guys healthy I I don't know if there's a secondary in the league that stopped their great off their legitimately top. Six seven. Offense went when those guys are health. Here's a Bill O'Brien said about. Jj Watt speaking of the defense. On Monday he certainly made progress Baker based on his work ethic referring to his Torn pack put him on injured reserve Who who is working with them the training room we will see so he's not on it but it's lingering out? There is a possibility that what returns one last point. I reached out to the great. NFL Media Research Team led by. Dr Jeff Green halts what Johnny and And I met McKenzie at the Holiday Party. Who was a wonderful careful woman? And she's been a great help all season but Jameis Winston. He's sitting at Thirty touchdowns twenty four interceptions if he can just throw six more picks in the last two. We often beautiful. He would become the first member of the thirty thirty club Thirty interceptions interceptions thirty touchdowns. The key is he's got up. It's possible with these house alone for many more decades to come to the key is he's got to throw an interception on the first drive. That has been the key to I. Think for bucks victories. As if James throws that's like seeing the groundhog come out as long as he throws an interception nice and early Buchan ears ears usually win. That's true all right. Let us move on. It is time for the snake. It's very tempted by the way to just take the late Saturday game now. In essentially have to sit there on Sunday any with my feet up on the table to the huddle a couple of times maybe go home. visit the children and roll back for the show. But I'm not going to do that because I think I have stuff to do tomorrow night. So awesome else's could be listening to. That's true and I'm a workhorse. If they've requesting that so I'm GonNa take. I'm going to indulge in just darkness and Take Baltimore more Cleveland because I have been reading this consistently reading this horror film horror novel. I guess you call it. Chapter by chapter not skipping words being there for every plot development and why jump on the book now when you know the high point of Cleveland season came in week four when they started to show what they could be and it was. It was a rash of big plays. It was nick shop on the ground and utterly destroying the Ravens. I mean putting it on them score wise and in that game I I went back and watched a little bit of that game and what I thought was the turning point and it was very and very unusual for the ravens a Mark Ingram fumble. That flipped the game entirely early and allowed Cleveland to really essentially built a lead. That was not going to go away and Mark Ingram in the Ravens simply. Don't do that since. And since that time. Where they've shut Lamar Jackson and and made life tough on him and and they were successfully able to put Lamar Jackson situation where he had to throw the ball and that did not work in that game that eighteen complete that ravens team is completely drastically different than the team? They are right now and I look back and I know it was the jets. The jets have a good run defense and the Ravens. It's is almost like it doesn't matter what the matchup is because they had ninety nine yards on the ground twelve minutes into that game against the jets and the jets. Not Jamal Adams I hear you. But they're doing a week after week and and at one point. Lamar Jackson had sixty nine yards through the air midway through the third period and then suddenly arsenals arrived and he just started finding Hollywood Brown mark. Andrew and the rest in the big plays just happened. You cannot contain them for four quarters and I think Cleveland and we get it. We know about the stuff we talked about onto me with. The Jarvis. Landry has strongly denied the report by NFL network silver healing that to the cardinals. Well that's right that this leaves as you up to what you think about that player in this team. In general opie Jay is denied. All that stuff to again. He says he's going to be there next year. He says he's going to be there but all that's for the off off season did not come quick enough for this Brown's team. I think that they were mentally broken weeks ago but it truly appeared on the field last week. Kyla Murray in the cardinals incinerated Cleveland's defense which has been relatively solid game to game. And not just not the case. I don't see A. I saw a defense that gave up in that game. You can run on them at will and the Ravens will have an absolute field day. It's in Cleveland. That's GONNA be thorny but I don't see anything this is not this is not a big. Ah Stumbling Block for the Ravens. They roll wes the ravens verse while clinch the number one seed with a win But my question. What do you need to see if anything from the ravens between now and the end of the regular season that anything anything on your radar a weakness of the steam something? I'd like to see shoring up. If you're if you're John are no no no. I don't see I don't see a weakness for them I would maybe like to see Hayden. Hers too was drafted ahead of Lamar Jackson. Become as good as more Andrews and become that second more two tight end sets and they they have those two weapons. Maybe Hollywood Brown is is playing like he did early in the year instead of like going in the tank like he did last s few weeks but There's nothing about the ravens that really were there so it's just stay healthy. They're so healthy. Their entire team isn't wasn't even on the injury report I think Brandon Williams was the only guy and he's even practicing so not only. Are they the best team in the league there among the healthiest. They have a ton to play for. You Clinch Homefield. You make up for your one bad loss of the year and you finish off Lamar's MVP case. Because Mike Garafolo already said on our network he does not expect Lamar Jackson to play play in week. Seventeen I don't think that necessarily means the rest of the starters will sit Aye. It's hard to do that. Be I think they might just roll out. Rg Three With with a bunch of other starters. I'm looking more. I'm more curious in this game of Baker Mayfield than the browns and I know we've all given up on them but the way the Ravens have transformed the most is defensively since since week four and they just blitz. You like crazy and bakers just hasn't responded well to see and a lot of different looks and this this really taxes you as a quarterback play in the ravens. The what disappoints me most about the browns is on a team with Nick. Chub and Jarvis Landry they lack toughness and if you can't stop Kenyan drake in short short yardage you have no prayer against the cardinals are like Ravens Light. I mean they're kind of the second most creative running game so if you can't slow down the cardinals good luck all right. Let's move on. It is my pick and I will stick in the Saturdays on Sunday Square. So there's not looking too hot to be honestly from a matchup perspective But UH RAMS at niners the primetime taking two Saturday games that so you are doing. What mark did it savvy? I plan to grind on Sunday as well but I just I want to pick the best games in the draft to be true to the draft and talk about a good game which is way better than any of the other Sunday games remaining to be quite honest. There's some trash remained So let's talk about Ramsey niners. And Yeah you know. Do I want to kill the niners for losing that. Game in the Falcons. Nah I mean. They've lost lost two of three the the ravens loss. You know that was. That was painful Justin Tucker at the gun. The falcons loss as bad as it was and it was how it it ended with. The Julio Jones touchdown is rough but it didn't hurt them all that much. Just Kinda more took away their room for margin for error if they beat the rams and then they go to Seattle and that huge week seventeen showdown which I would think is going to be in front of Alcoholism Michelle Hopefully they're the number one seed in the NFC so it's still all out in front of them and they get a rams team that maybe they gotta they they kind of catch a break a little bit. If the rams play well last week they beat the cowboys and they are surging at nine five. You get this titanic showdown and the rams are believing in themselves and their on fire. And they're saying we're we're getting you know we wanNA ticket to January Kan.. Want to defend our conference title. Well maybe they're a little deflated after. Getting their butts warped at jarrow world and the rams teammate shows up is closer to the one that disappointed us for most of the season. I liked the niners a lot in this game and I'm curious what you boys think I agree with you but the rams do have something to play for. The fact that comes on Saturday is the. NFL really lucked out with this NFL network tripleheader. It's really good. And they lucked out that the rams will be alive still. I mean only four things need to happen for the rams is to make the playoffs. They need to win two games and they need the vikings to lose two games. But if you're the rams your plan your division rival and you're still alive for the playoffs strike it up. It's it's a big game. I mean I I. I don't think if they lose and I expect them to. And that's why I'm locking up to forty niners. Oh it's not going to because they're not motivated you know. They couldn't have been any more motivated last week and they just didn't show up. I think George Kiddle is having one of the greatest tight end seasons of all time he is like future future all twenty two analytics film buffs are going to talk about this season in hushed tones. The way he's taken the fight to you on every single play like two thousand thirteen. Jj Watt he is just you gotta shoot him with an elephant gun to bring him down. How does he compare it to you? Two Thousand Thirteen Rob Gronkowski. He is I think he he plays with a faster game. Speed MPC GRONK. He is faster than grunk. He is just as physical as Gronk. He is a monster red zone blocker but no one no one history of the NFL is the red zone weapon. That Rob Gronkowski was in his hands embody or so underrated as red zone threat. kittle isn't that guy as receiver in the red zone. I think down around a watching that game till today in just kill catching huge passes downfield in so many different ways you can you. It's like slants. It's at the sideline where he's knocking someone out with an elbow before he pulls in the past. I thought in that game that the absence of Richard Sherman was a huge reason. They lost because every time I looked up. This Guy Emmanuel Moseley was getting scorched by Julio Jones and it wasn't all big plays but it was like Falcons moving the ball. I think that's just how. Damn Good Julio Jones. Oh you like me. I think Richard Sherman could've made a bit more of a difference in their Bagman. They're getting Sherman back. And they're getting back Kahlon Williams who plays a lot for them so that's two of their top cornerbacks return in a lot had to go wrong in that game for the forty niners to lose including kiddle fumbling a huge play Almost is GonNa win the game. If he hadn't switched the ball switched it in his hands and in fumble the in in their a team like the saints that should have there is like on the prize and and that was a stumble. And I think they'll be embarrassed from it. And they have a good history against Wade Phillips as Defense Kyle Shanahan put up thirty points in three of the five meetings against Phillips philps and that does not include the game earlier this season which to me was the moment where you realize this. Rams team could just be overmatched because they were so physically GLI dominated by the forty niners in that game that I I wanna see that again out of the forty nine. We haven't seen a good forty niners blow out in a while and especially since I locked him up. Just make my Saturday night. Easy right and gough is the stiffness in his right throwing thumb situation. That's not great in the splits for him because the niners are banged up but they still have Bosa Vosa. You've got bucked. And you've got eric arm. Said when you can rush Goff and get in his face. Like his statistical splits are ghastly. I mean he's not the same guy under pressure and he threw a killer interception last week that flip that cowboys game on its but the forty niners have three sacks in the last three games they haven't been as good upfront either so I think they want to kind of get that defensive offensive Mojo back this is the right. Oh line to go west to your point about kid on how he is. It's more than just a passing game. How affects the niners? He's the centerpiece of that offense. According to next Gen stats Because of his ability to make plays in all over the field he changes the way it looks. Around the line of scrimmage. The box isn't as packed when he's able to because they have to follow him. And what you have is yards per rush with kettle on the field five point. Oh without kittle. Three point four rushing touchdowns. Fifteen with kittle. Three without him. They're just a totally different offense when he's back he's playing on a broken ankle at one point this season but now he's backing all the way back to himself and everything flows through him. They were averaging like literally a hundred rushing yards less per game when he was out with that. In how incredible all right west you are. Oh you took my game. I know I was hoping to get that. I thought for sure nobody wanted the so we all get to watch him. We all get to watch it. It's okay I just didn't want an extra the game comment on it the next day as you see fit. Someone's going to be hard to recover for. Okay I will take steelers at jets the Nice job whilst they'll be watching. Let's just go and buy my board number one left on my born. You could always open for business can always make offer me the the Saturday night game for the Jackie. Wait the one you really wanted the jet game off okay no fair enough that was like the GM and realize that I was. I was surprised to hear that people expected Tomlin to consider benching aging duck. Hodges after last game I get that it was an awful game. I get that the quarterback limitations lost that game for the steelers but come on what what he did in a few games before that compared to what Mason Rudolph was doing. Yeah I guess it was just the nature of how how almost defenseless well. That's not the right word. 'cause we're talking about offense but just how limited they appeared when they needed that big score in the end they came out throwing and they just couldn't at hodges was just not up to the task in those last two possessions sessions daylight came out I thought and dot that was the way to beat the bills because the bills just put everyone up front trying to dare duct to beat check and Yeah they they don't need a big offense of performance they're gonNA get Juju back. James Conner looks pretty good in his return. You count on the running game and you count on their team to force turnovers because as a criticism of Sam Darnold in the second year. It's pretty similar to Baker similar to a lot of young quarterbacks. He's just a little late on on things. And if you're late against the steelers that's a T.. J. Watt Force fumble. Yeah I thought you know in that. They obviously the Ravens game as most do against Baltimore. Totally got away from the jets but the jets who have been awful on third down and stuff had a rash at one point in the game where they converted like seven third downs. I thought Darnell made some really good throws in that game and then it just it went south but I would be more hopeful. This is not me trying to you know. Make a nice salvo to Dan here but I I'm a little bit more hopeful with streaks of Sam Darnold Arnold's play than what I've seen from Baker this for chunks of the season I think they're close because I think some of the issues that are are similar for young guys but you know Darlas less surround him. Let's start right there. He's got terrible offensive line and the Levian Bell has not been what they thought. I wonder does this count. As a revenge. Game Levy unveil steeler. It's not he's going to be able to impose his will. But I I don't know about I think my biggest concern for ball. Sam darnold and Baker Mayfield as the organizations. Is there tach to yeah. That's fair that's earned. There's nothing through two years of their careers that makes me feel any better about that and like if you put thank you put those those players in better situations with management and the players well Baker at least had a good core around it but coaching and all that That any young quarterbacks going to get a little filled up and I fear. That's what's happening with these guys and hopefully it changes. How unpredictable? I I don't WanNa you know I know you're not going to root for them to look bad down the stretch but the fact that they have to play the Ravens defense the steelers defense and then the bills defense in a row. And you've still got that six point performance in Cincinnati. Pretty close it. It is still very much on my radar that there's a way Adam Gates could lose his job which I think might be might not be the worst thing long-term for Sam Darnold just. It's such a hard slate that that's a recipe beat to have three pretty tough games in a row. Yeah that's their playoff run. I mean and I'm not sure what else is I mean. It's not if Tom Brady. And the Patriots are playing. Those three teams enrolled. They're not scoring either. It's just I wonder if the emotion of how the season might end for the jets could could affect things we know. The jets defense is capable of putting together a pretty strong performance. And I I would think this was a recipe for an upset but that T. J. Watt and bud debris the way their plane and cameron heyward going up against the jets offensive. Line feels like it almost feels like like upset proof like that's the match up that's going to turn in this game in the steelers and these are big jets fans this week. They need the jets to help them out. They'll try it I just I. I'm certainly not too confident. Jamal Adams has a quote very high chance of returning against the steelers to that is such a big piece. He is the George. Kill the Jet Steve Previous Mike Tomlin teams. You could count on one game a year where they go on the road and lay ultra gigantic egg. And I don't think this is that steelers team. Yeah all right. Let's move move on picking next. Is Greg Rosenthal. Yeah you really really hurt me there. I mean you're sorting through corpses at this point I really am. It doesn't matter more collector opening up the little. Refrigerators of the toe tags popping out. I've got two games. I guess in a row here. I'll take. I'll take the cardinal sea hawks because that's the only other playoff team I think that's still available right This is a game. That could we fun. I know the Seahawks is one victory all season. That was easy. Came against these cardinals. So the the sea hawks have the same amount of to score. Wins as the bengals. This here one and so you expect it to be close at the end and I know they matched up well with last time but I I would love to see cuyler. Murray a signature your moment. He played really well last week. And that's the type of thing that if you're a number one overall draft pick and they've really had a good year offensively Kenyan Drake's fun to watch watch. The seahawks defense is beatable. They haven't been as good at home this year. They're very banged up this week. I think this could be kind of a fun game. Go go make something. Murray cuyler who's had moments but certainly that hasn't been a fantastic best games have been in losses for the most well. He was sorry Dan he was playing injured. He looked so much more explosive last week. Rate hit with Josh Jacobs going down with a shoulder injury The door seems to be open the offensive rookie of the year award still and maybe if culinary closes strong that's something he could he could get which is a bigger deal. Calmer than anyone else. But I've been kind of keeping my eye on that that that race and it's a bit of a strange race this year the offensive rookie of the year. Who else even jumps out at you as someone? That's in line for the award. Jacobs do enough before he got Brown Aka. Okay Metcalf area McLaren. They haven't been as not a stellar. It's not like a all shockingly stellar. Yeah not like top heavy where look the wage the browns and playing a few close out strong. I think that's decay Mecca in this game. I mean they it. That's where the cardinals don't match up as well. Pat Peterson finally had a good game but he has not been itself This season that's why river should be in that second. cornerback spot wrestling's all decade team. Well Patrick Peterson has had a bad season Darrelle. AREVA's hasn't played in five years. They're GONNA hold that against it. Okay that's very. I thought Tyler Lockett looked better last week I he. There was a story that came out that that that midseason flu bug that he had he shed ten pounds. And that's not the person that can easily lose ten pounds off their their NFL frame. But I feel like with the seahawks. They don't want a great defense but look cagey right last week. Making huge place someone steps up every game and I trust that to happen. I don't know this week I I just think it might be fun. Cloudy still her wagner is supposed to play but he's missing practice quandary digs is out. They just you know hasn't all come together. It's all all leading to that week. Seventeen game I do wonder if NBC's GonNa Flex It. Now that I think about it was when I worked there there were they had this big policy that had to be they always went the play in game over what was just like a better matchup and this will not be a play in game. But we'll see. Maybe the potential playoff play in game out in Texans thins maybe steelers maybe steelers versus the Ravens. Backup like that's a little messy we'll see does cliff kingsbury. Thanks very get enough credit for like completely when people most people just swept this theory up as an impossibility when the when the whispers started that they were gonna GonNa. Dump Josh Rosen and go for Kyla Murray and it was just widely dismissed as gossip and rumor and NFL teams. Don't operate this way. And what would this team be with. Josh Rosen Josh. Josh Rosen can't even start for the dolphins right now so it's like cliff Kingsbury and it was not their GM or anyone else convinced the organization to do the right thing and it has turned out well and they have hope because of that. One single right at belief in this quarterback watching last week it was hard not to think. which would you rather have cuyler and Kyle and king cliff or are Baker and Freddie kitchen dot same thing you want the cardinals? Who's the player that kind of makes me believe in California? It is Kenyan drake. It's their running game is so good you take a guy who didn't do anything in Miami Amy and suddenly he's you know a pro bowl quality running back. It's almost like you get away from Adam Gates. I didn't break. That didn't go down on that avenue. You just did all right. Who Greg snaking? It is getting ugly. These bodies get you know the the stink on them gets Funk in the air now well why not go will greer's I start here again's Oh yeah I mean what you're gonNa tell me. The fell on the grenade eh sitting atop a dead body. Well there's a four way. There's a four team playoff at the top of the draft that has its own attractiveness. Actually giants Redskins. You could make an argument. But also I like guys when they start their first game. Just the curiosity factor. I also feel so bad for this colts team. It's like they deserve to play A tomato can like the panthers enters right now. Starting will greer in their first game. They're better than than six. And A and you would think that they're running game would be able to overpower. What's just been an abysmal The Panthers Rush Defense. Would you ever if you're the colts and the answer is no because they're not. They're not doing this but Dan would have an interest in this. And so what I in getting a look at Chad Kelly. I understand that. But you're not and you can make it clear that percents not someone that you're trag report like replace but I is set in term this week. I think someone sent it to me and my mentions that he has not even been considered as an option To play these final two GEICO. Just personally I just WANNA see. I'm not saying that. That's how this organism Koby Brett signed through next year at a very reasonable rate for starting quarterback. He's GonNa be there now whether they draft someone or bringing someone yeah to me. I think they want to get some winds here at the end. I know that Swag Kelly has been exciting to watch in the preseason but I it speaks volumes when they wave him and then he gets through waivers nobody claims him and he spends time on the practice squad and then he gets caught up. Only when there's an injury I just don't think they see him the same act Kiefer who reports for the athletic. This was his tweet for the Chad. Kelly will lead the colts to the promised. Land crowd the colts not even discussed elevating him to the backup role for the final today to the to the back. All right well that was my you know. The history is not richest colleen would say in this situation he was so good in the preseason. I know carved up and will greer was so bad in the preseason and as poorly as Kyle Allen has played will greer took until now to get a start. Why won't they let Swag Kelly be great? He's been deal this whole life. Let Swag. It's an organizational Azazel that goes to the highest functioning. Maybe you should have thought about like walking into that Stranger's house. After the von Miller Halloween part. That's in the past number one. It also how about we locker doors and so we avoid this confusion in the future. He's teaching us a lesson about our society. All right moving on Chris Wesley. Well at this point I'm just going grass fields. What we'll do lions broncos because at least it's a fun stadium to to watch curious I think drew locks for the last two weeks are consequential for all these teams that are totally out of it? The drew lock back like five week. Audition it that's something to me. That's going to tell you about and Broncos for next year and I don't know how much stock to put in last week's game in the snow that that was pretty heavy snow and Patrick Mahomes like you don't ever want to be a team that goes into Kansas City and the snow. We saw what happened to the colts in the playoffs. Last year and the broncos got whitewashed watched last week but Locke a look like he didn't have a good grip on the ball. So I'M GONNA write that game off and just Kinda judge him on what he's done in the Games without snow I mean he may encounter snow again in his career but right I. I don't know how to predict that he's from. He's from the Kansas City area. said he had been to. I think like over fifty chiefs chiefs games in his life goes back and just gets well. You know how it is. When you're you're just got out of college you go back to your hometown? You're hanging out with your high school friends. We don't you know I'm just saying that. Could have been factor To pro bowl snubs for the broncos Portland Sutton and Justin Simmons. They might be the two biggest pro bowl snubs period. I think I think so. Well the good thing is the ravens have like fourteen or fifteen. You'RE GONNA get core Portland. Someone's going to be a hill. The Promo mix it. Simmons wasn't even touching down Orlando wasn't even his interception mahomes last week because an amazing play and he team all pro he might be he has a chance I think at first esteem all pro and yet he didn't make the full west. When you said that you were going grass fields? I thought it was like some type of metaphor about being free like just following your heart or something but you were literally talking about watching. A game played on a grass field. Well I think the free part of it. Yeah I mean I last. I've said before natural has been beating fake for like one hundred thousand year winning streak natural always beats per read. Washington doesn't really count because that's just dirt at this point considered field sterile. I'm up and and God Dang let's just Let's watch meant you know what. Let's watchman your your final scouting assessment on him garments. You biased at all traveling to Atlanta to face the Falcons right back at Ya Here we go The Jaguars they really got helped out by the officials in that game As we as we mentioned I believe Jon. GRUDEN was given an apology by the League. which which is almost worse than not getting an apology? It's like I know that in that game to please that's the NFL taking account ability. But what is I mean doesn't bring the WB it's like. Hey Al Davis. He shouldn't have gone after. Pete Rozelle Zohar Thirteen roots here south so yes ruling Derek Carr Outta bounds really is what led to the raiders Going down the tubes and the Jaguars getting that win but good for Jacksonville. They still had a march down the field and we saw some mint. You Magic to make that happen. And now they go to Atlanta to play the falcons skins and yeah. We're not only get a couple more chances to watch Matt Ryan Play Football. This season took five nine so in In their building. A A little mint. You Falcons and one thing we we should touch on is that Tom. Coughlin was fired. Tom Coughlin who's the vice president of operations I believe was his title in Jacksonville Bulls Star. Football czar is another way to put it. He was let go and that happened. At the same time of the report came out that that the Jaguars what was the exact details surrounding this thing about finds are being overturned all over the place and the unions. Putting it out there that T- players should seriously consider even going to Jacksonville to play for them Really messy stuff. COUGHLAN and his culture are boy. Connor or actually over at sports illustrated wrote wrote a nice piece about how Tom Coughlin's hardnosed style. If you're not five minutes early or late C- switched the clocks back. They switch the clock back. Jaguars sir today switched it back to normal. It's a boy I was like. I showed up and I was like I'm not early AM I. But then he was like I guess they changed the club but yeah connor. Using example example within the piece of how strict it was with Coughlan at the top. Both the giants and the Jags if you weren't wearing You know the proper Necktie I on a team flight they would take some of your game check just like ticky tack stuff like that that maybe worked even as recently as ten years ago and the NFL certainly worked twenty twenty and thirty and forty years but in the modern league. It's just a little bit different now and a guy like coughlan was a dinosaur so the Jaguars wisely move on from coughlan. Now we find out and we will find out if that's where it ends or if we're or it's going to be a full purge in Jacksonville the based on the statement from shod con that the the GM Caldwell David Caldwell and Doug marrone will report to him directly on an interim basis and just everything. That's happened it feels like they're just GonNa Clean Total House. I think Caldwell is the one that no-one sure it you know. There's some speculation that the last two. The results of the last two games could play a big the impact if they win three straight that. That'll really help. which is how you got? Doug marrone in the first place is that you hired him because he went one and one and Blake Bortles went from like the thirty second best quarterback to the twenty second best quarterback for two weeks. That's how you did it but Coughlan it. It's a rough. It's a rough way to go out. Because it's not just is that like. He had these old school as he was breaking. The rules of the collective bargaining agreement twenty five different players were fine for missing quote unquote mandatory off off season appointments with physicians which is literally against the CBA and so the players union had all these complaints for missing voluntary well. You you can't require players get your treatment at the facility in the off season. And they were requiring them and they were finding them but also other stuff like Leonard Fournette being on the bench last year year. Ninety nine thousand dollar fine. They fired him. That got overturn like there's a bunch of fines that they found that come on grand the whole rest of the league. I think added up to less than half of all the cases then the Jaguars have had over the last year so the NFL pa.. Said you should consider that. And I think that's why on on just decided to fire coffin right now not even wait two weeks. I'd say on the flip side. The Falcons obviously last week. They're playing hard. They go out and upset the niners but they are weirdly two wins away from being seven and nine and I would say maybe saving Dan Quinn's job. I'll see some teams. You can feel Lim floating away and the players are not responding. And it's hard to watch. But the Falcons are not that right now they wanna see this last year two. They won their last three games. His defense unsystematically is always better in the second half. I don't I don't know I've heard you've been reading that but I'm surprised my disappointment at seven and nine Dan. Quinn is a little a bit of a Ron Rivera. Thing tune where a lot of people around the League think that Dan Quinn is the guy and a great coach in situationally. Maybe not in the greatest situation for him in Atlanta this this season. But YOU'RE GONNA YOU'RE GONNA remove them and again you have to go find out that you're gonna get someone better blocking this game and it didn't even pass the old desert tests that's how much The desert is a fan of balconies right now holy Jones. Just a word of praise about him. This is why you keep playing your stars when you're eliminated from playoff contention to Z.. Responsible for twenty of his team's twenty three points in that game a hall of Famer in the late stages of his prime proving he's still an all pro. And you better pay attention because put me on that all the way I'm playing and how about this people are paying money to go to these games. Yes I with polio johns. If they go one and seven and then in the first half close six and to take he keeps his job. I'm just saying that it is their this amazing candidate is bill parcells two point. Oh sitting out there. In the Falcons are the team that wants to go chasing. There's no one out you know who is out there. Godbolt bill parcells. Old Lieutenants is out there and available. Tom Tom Kaufman. I don't yeah that low stakes all right mark. You're up all right. I am in this draft by the way has just unfolded and beautiful fashion. I have one game on Saturday. I have one game early on Sunday and I am now going to pick the final four o'clock eastern time standard time zone start with the Oakland Oakland raiders at the charge and -gratulations market took sixteen weeks. Someone perfect graph. Finally just the way I want to do it. And it's the raiders. Four four games in a row. You've lost come on here people and you know that right now. A single single greatest moment of analysis on the history of this podcast. It'd be drop to various dairy absurd. Teams I mean. The chargers have the worst turnover differential orential in the league tied with the Bengals and they look like half the time and I thought that a couple of weeks ago when they flamed Jacksonville that rivers had awoken for what would be potentially of of three or four games stretch to close his career in Los Angeles But then no last week happens and they totally melt so these are two totally unpredictable but more. They are predictable in the sense that that they're unreliable week to week. I don't find the chargers that fun to watch. The raiders crushed me last week and I locked them. I told Sky Sports at halftime that you could bet houses you bet cars. They are not losing this game and I came at it hard and it's like the time in a row I've told Neil Reynolds and sky sports something and it's gone south within a half an hour to an hour after so I don't know why they still get the rent and you don't even have a car right now. Well it's not my possessions but I mean I was telling other people to do it so so I have no idea who will win this game. I mean there's some people in London right now with broken cavs because of you. I think it's possible you and rainmaker should take your show on the road the Possible off the raiders are not playing Dash Shakeups in this game. Trent Brown is on our. It feels like the moves of team. That just doesn't want any further damage gruden in and said packing up the boxers after the loss as they were packing up the boxes at the Oakland Calcium Poor Josh Jacobs couldn't even get his Shoulder pads off. He's in so much pain after the game so it makes all I guess it was the last game. And you know there was some juice to it but It makes all the sense of world to shut down what's really really great. Rookie season overall for Jacobs. Forget that Raider nation does get their annual L. A. Game still every year so they'll make sure that it'll be mostly raiders. It's fans today it. Would I mean on Sunday rather yup so that you know the good bye. We'll continue in the next. You know those games now every year when they come to. La are going to be even more like raiders. Heavy me than ever. I think John Gruden's going quarterback shopping this off season. We're back here now. So does that saying he's GONNA cut their car but I think he's going to. He's going to fall in love with somebody in the the draft or chase another quarterback the way they've played the last month and the way this offense has been so limited all year there the beat writer for the Las Vegas Review Journal. Vincent Bonds Nori. He tweeted that out this week. which got some attention there? There would be changes at quarterback. He left it vague but new. I Don falls in love with quarterbacks easily and also they they honored Derek Carr by giving him this season. You know there was last season. They're all these whispers. That Jon Gruden wanted wanted quarterback next Y and Z head Collar Murray. And they're building. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they fall in love with free agent or a free agent or someone else right. They'll see what they can get and it's like is that better than car rides a chance. Maybe they won't get anything better all right mark great drifts van. Golly you're up again well I'm picking I. I believe I'm the snake situation for either Knicks. Shook Jeremy Bergman correct because the other option is based on a trade. I made last week. That only plays into this as well. I'm just saying I'm not doing man so I'm game for someone. I'm picking for someone. The bengals a dolphins for or Ken The Cincinnati Bengals. Do the most bengals thing ever and somehow not wind up with the first overall pick. I think they're going to but what concerns me a little bit. I would put it in in one game comment is that Joe Mixon actually has been awesome. The past couple of weeks He tore up the the the Patriots a week ago. And the dolphins for all their you you know hopefully little moments the one thing that consistently absolutely stunk. Join up with is allowing running backs too. If they're in a tough place totally breakout week after week against Miami so I could see Cincinnati controlling this game. If if you don't get any big mistakes and They should win. And then suddenly you've got eight showdown scenario where the dolphins play the Patriots. The week after in the bengals play the browns. The bengals would have to win two straight. I think it's possible. I thought about locking up this game. I'm shocked at softens. Our favorites grits. I just think Cincinnati's much better right. Now Call Joe Mixing the best running back in the League after that game. Pretty out statement. He's he's is playing. He's playing like George biddle at running back like you really have to that Ronnie had against the Patriots. Where was it the browns game where he it looked like he was getting a ten yard laws and he broke about seven tackles against had one against the Patriots? That was that was unbelievable. We'll get my favorite website tank. IFAN DOT COM Just great name as we know Cincinnati's one loss away from Joe Borough The giants are two right now. The dolphins at three and the redskins begins at four. All are three and eleven. But it's about strength of schedule. WHO's got the weakest rank the schedule of the group and right now it's the giants and don't take a look they do a nice job here that Khalil Mack Trade Bears Raiders. That's still going to bear. Fruit for the raiders. They right now the where it is. Now that's the eighteenth overall. Pick go into the raiders. That's the bears pick and the jalen Ramsey trade. The Rams right now that's a top twenty pick and of course that make a fitzpatrick dolphin. steelers trade twenty two the Jaguars in the one reason you get new people in his they have four number one picks over the next two years. Oh and the Laremy Tunsil traits twenty three so right now. The Dolphins are at three three twenty two and twenty. Three's the obese and didn't pretty especially with that Tuncel trade still I get it but for this season is in heat. If there is any risk of losing his job he he kept himself employed. All right I'm up. I will take the first game I see giants. It's at Redskins Daniel Jones practiced fully on Wednesday That tells me as it should tell everyone that he will be back in the lineup. Sending Eli Manning back to the bench As far as our worked out I was a little suspicious to begin with and now I'm even more in what way let's just wanted to see that the ownership wanting to see a little Eli Manning. They didn't want Jones playing through an injury. I'm sure that there is truth to all of it. I think that's fair. I thought we have cushy and hey it worked out far. The best moment of the year for the giants that win last July was the backup so by necessity when Jones gets hurt initially. He's in a tough spot. Ah Philly but then it's like well you know. Dj's banged up here. Let's get a home game. Say Goodbye to Eli and get back to business and get the redskins ends and I will say that if I'm a Redskins Fan. There was a period about five weeks ago. Maybe three or four weeks ago and remember we were dissecting that sideline sideline conversation between Dwayne Haskins and the offensive line and it felt like the coach. Greg's Boy Callahan was was purposely trying to end games as quickly as possible and Haskins just looked overwhelmed. I think the last couple of weeks. There's at least something to point at Haskins back. There's a little little bit of growth here. He didn't you guarantee that his career is going to flame out. Because of yes. Okay yes but I'm pointing out. The what is fair. which is that? He has looked better. No I did not like him taking selfies after his first. NFL Win. I will never like that. He did that But yes he's obviously got the arm town that he hangs in the pocket maybe hold onto the ball too who long. But I don't see him as a total disaster right now. I seem like a Baker Mayfield like a Sam. darnold a young quarterback trapped in a unhealthy situation. It hopefully gets better for him. I I'm going to be curious to watch us because it because of the young quarterbacks at some point but both quarterbacks are with insistems offensively that they're not going to be in next right so it's just one of those three weeks the situations where you right even don't know what you're GonNa take from their late season performance drama plays in the dirt in the huddle for every play. I love it. I would watch that game in the second. If you're telling me they're just GONNA play schoolyard football in week. Sixteen of a meaningless football game. Sounds Fun to me. Wes. We've got a little break in new. Let's just throw it in. Let's throw it right now. The Patriots have declared Julian Edelman out or questionable. Rather her for Sunday's game I would not have gone breaking if I had read it wrestle. Forty eight players we brought got a whole new crew in the air with this breaking news. All those people's their Christmas this bad guy in the background unplayed piano. They called in out of school number. Five overall cornerback this year. Jonathan Jones. His out how about that. No one of your and you know what Ricky. Let's out edited out of the show. Because this could be a learning lesson for Greg the humiliation that will come uh-huh with this breaking I mean people need to know Jonathan Jones. He's been great in the slot. Matchup with cold Beasley hasn't missed. You cannot win this argument at this. I read it wrong. West West close out our Sunday slate. I think we've moved onto that. We're into the prime time. Oh good good good all right west. You're done a good job was her Okay which and Mark I think It would be unfair to stick our buddies shook or Burgo with games that bad. So I think we're just GONNA handle those games. We be not me already. That would be west based on a quick on them because my hands are clean it is going to west or one of those two people you can you guys figure it out all right here. We go Sunday night football the Kansas City chiefs ten and four for Looking very good in the snow last week. Especially that defense Travel now to face the bears at soldier field which you know if you're a bears awesome and this was a game you're so excited about. The season began looked like it was a showdown. Maybe even a super bowl preview. But it's not the case because the bears aren't going anywhere but home. Once they finished the regular season the chiefs meanwhile greg and you called it. I on Sunday. You said don't don't look at twenty three points and the chiefs art art figuring things out on offense if you watch that game That looked like an offense that is taking off in a big way now. Could they use a better running game if andy. Reid could've coulda done it again. What did he trade Carlos? Hyde for a backup offensive lineman. I don't know maybe maybe not But the renegades out there but the passing game is humming and I imagine even against the bears defense the chiefs aren't going to be denied. Could be a tough spot though. It's it's not that tough spot. I don't think and I if I was a bears. There's fan yet. Maybe you're looking forward to it. You shouldn't be because every time you see Patrick mahomes lighten you up on Sunday in the snow or the cold weather. You should be thinking about how he was drafted later in the same draft that you took Mitchell trubisky when there's no way out of this trubisky thing here's the thing that trubisky even when he's playing better I always get back to the point that he only played one year in college and his his main exciting trae was supposed to be accuracy and I could see it like if he was accurate he could be a slight a richer. Man's Alex Smith but he's not accurate. He's just not and so all the other things that he doesn't do that. Well really come come to the fore. And they're I think they're in a really tough spot as an organization not just quarterback but to me the defense might get slightly worse every year trying to keep put together. It's just a tricky. As Dan and his little Izhak was very audible to offset their second time. Show who little Guest appearance by the old ice adds to the Tell me broadcast watching that game this morning to with with no homes because I thought well the scores interesting but they well I mean what would you rather I not. It's like there's not a lot else to be doing during the week so the I feel like everyone else is playing in the snow. Oh he's playing in a dome. He looked like he had total control over the long. Like making these insane touch passes into tight windows and over the shoulder to Sammy. Sammy Watkins and Travis Kelsey on fire. It's like this team was not affected by the weather at all he was not. Here's the thing. If if and I know Lamar Jackson is GonNa be the MVP and he should should be. But if I was just taking one player for the rest of the season to be leading not it's to me. It's Patrick Mahomes. He's still he's still the guy that just I can do everything and can beat anyone and I don't know any team. Playing Patrick. Mahomes cannot feel comfortable while the chiefs defense to the AH last month. They've been so good that they are now right there with the saints in Devi Away for defense they are about the same grade. The chiefs are eleventh now in total defense deficiency or Chris Chris Jones is unreal. I mean he just dominates game and then you. You're pretty good on the back end where SPAGNOLO has been a very good higher that he mixes it up and now they have to listen to you. SPAG no low has been different teams different things that's growth finally over those super bowl. It was just one the second he was he was only there for one. No the first right. Oh I raises. Forty two the great helmet catch plaques boroughs has he gets a wide open L. Assads just Dragon at the end of that year. Aches you're putting the helmet catch on spags axe. That's I know. Taiwan Taiwan Yanks him down. Greg Nick Wykowski bears inside linebackers ranked pretty very high in our free agency rankings. Somebody's GONNA pay him if it's not the bear somebody else is gonNA pay. Ethan better than Trevathan was well now after getting that inside Info. I'm going to rank him artificially low just balance out west Nice over. I'm not saying behind the curtain. I usually have to rank Gino Smith three hundred in order to balance out Greg's ring. She knows I think this year he's if you will never sign another both your contract improvement then. The seahawks offense has made since Gino Smith. Ah What's the change for the seahawks year. He's a good coyne. He's done Nice coin. Toss Action Monday night football. The Green Bay packers eleven to three at the Minnesota the Vikings ten and four. This is massive of because obviously. We're talking about the vikings with a chance to clinch a playoff spot with the win if they lose as we pointed out the door is open Ramsey to win. Take care of their business but the vikings can lose out and miss the playoffs even ten in four right now so the game has so much meeting in. That's even beyond before you get to the fact that yes the NFC north and potentially buys online. So this is one of those games that really affects so much in NFC and it's a game that West you You pointed out many times on the show about how the Vikings are a great team at home. And that's what I would be the most nervous about if I'm a packers fan. We've talked about Green Bay. How maybe a team? That doesn't have a lot of big wins on alleger. That isn't blowing you away on a week by week. Basis especially on offense defense has been up and down. Do they have what it takes to go on the road and this this type of setting and win a huge game with the division on the line. I think it's a obviously a huge test. That's going to teach so much and we'll finally learn whether the packers are legit it or not. What do you think why I would pick the Vikings to win but I also think maybe we've been a little too hard on the packers? Okay that's fair. They are eleven and three after watching that a game. I thought Rogers was a little bit better than expected. He made some great throws. But that's not really. His problem is making great. Downfield throws they have so many just misses all the time It's it's the fact that they couldn't move the ball in the fourth quarter lead but they have shown improvement on defense. I think and Kenny Clarke has playing at a much higher level the last few games and he was at midseason. I think think this defense is playing a little bit better now. They're they're boom-or-bust offense. They're big you know. They have Aaron Jones. The whole thing of like Aaron Rodgers weapons please. He's got the best tackle combination in a league. Best continuity on that offensive line. None of them have missed the snap all season. He's got Davante Adams and he's got Aaron Jones. You're mixing up the idea of what a weapon is and what the offensive line. Ah Okay. And he's got Davante Adams and he's got Aaron Jones he's got they've got enough to be successful but they're boomer bust in terms of their offense plays and they're not like chain in moving type of place with how they use their Jones. Why aren't they running him? Twenty Times game. Yeah I mean you know no Delvin Cook that bothers me about this game. A Lien wrap has reported. He's unlikely no one else's as aggressive so IAN is out on a limb way to go in and I'm giving them credit doesn't sound like it's going to be there and they up until this morning there was doubt that Alexander Madison would play their backup that he's got an ankle issue. But it sounds like Mike Zimmer said he has a good chance to suit up but that you take away that from the Vikings I just don't both these teams I've doubts about general and the fact that Green Bay if the way this season plays out I just trust the football all deities above will not allow us to have Green Bay as the second seeded team. When this thing shakes out there the second CD team I could ever imagine on planet Earth how Saint Sylvester The saints that are sitting out there? Give me a break with the idea that the were Green Bay packers or the team coming out of this amazing. NFC with the bye week. I don't know by thank you. It'll be forty niners and saints one and two. I think we'll be. I'd be fine with Seattle and the saints in San Francisco where this could be the one seed. I mean. It's possible hospital. It's it's unlikely that the packers would be. Who Do you guys has watch quarterback in this game has had a better year up with that? I mean I trust Aaron Rodgers more instinctively to do anything but cousins has had the better C. I trust Rogers more too because since has had the better year statistically kirk cousins said the better. Your it's not even close. I would bet to statistically and I'm not that worried about cook being not there. I mean the running game when boone comes in last week and I was the end of the Madison. Their their their offensive line's played better protected. Cousins cousins had all sorts of time against the chargers. Even against those good pass rushers. I I think there's is a game. The defense though for the Vikings they should be able to win this. I mean they've been building this defense for six years. They spent more resources on this defense than any team in in the league. In terms of contract extensions including six first rounders and the secondary. You've had zimmer like if you can't win this game at home against Leflore in his first year in a little bit of an uneven packers thing it's like what have you been doing building up this group great continuity it's so hard to have the continuity that they've had the dirty little sort this defense this choked than Kirk cousins e. We always think they're a great defense and they end up being a pretty good defense to it's fair. Called the matchups in this game are pretty. I mean Eric Hendricks against Aaron Jones like trying to prevent him from getting to the outside also might be covering him sometime. You got the Neo Hunter and Everson Griffen against DAB blogging backyard there. I don't know it's a great game. Where does that feeling physically right now? Play a full three targets. Last week he played thirty three three of sixty five ad three catches on three targets. So at this point it seems like they're easing back in but digs has really stepped up a And and become an even better producer with dealing out which makes sense or or any of US picking the packers and the scheme. No I almost wanted to lock up the packers. No that's because I don't trust. I don't trust the Vikings but I have. I go too far with my lack of trust to the Vikings and then then I got caught in that kind of thing and I'll lose my lock to so it's like you see you know either way. Are we going to watch this together. Dan or they were doing this at the grocery. Just right at the end. We are doing a post Monday night. Football show which is out of the ordinary. That'll be like our Tuesday. Show maybe a little news to talk about the game awesome news out of the ordinary holiday. Maybe too much but we haven't watched a full game together like in one of these little spots. Oh weeks one. It's it's awesome doc. Circle Paul Circle every Sunday night too. But I see what you mean as a outside the building and you know wes go mix and place kirk cousins and the big sputter right. I agree I think I think you and I have more common ground on this thing. You believe now. I think when when he plays poorly. It's fair game. Talk about it in on national TV. But when he's not much of a factor in the game let's talk about the factors in the game. Okay are you. Are you concerned Mark. Just being on on the outside of this at. WE'RE GONNA be watching this game together at Dan's and the west Dan Kirk cousins. He might be able. Yeah I mean I thought thought I was going to be because of the inattention rolling in justice the game was ending. I've done for these postings but that's that's a lot to it's the holiday season and you're allowed. I mean you have a family. Oh you do it you need to do. I think after we finished recording to maybe we hang out together spent some time mark. TV over just like a cloud of smoke and marks and Matt is that narrative is false. And I will prove it false. Yeah let's let's see if he'll play Kornel we do something that I actually he's been consistently I anti parlor game since that's your that's your offer. We have to come over something else. We're going to come up with something more enticing but give us time give till L. Monday night how `bout we break after the game after the podcast phantom menace. Yikes never like. That's where the kirk cousins thing. I've never never supporting way that movie's coming out this evening. You gotTa ticket just say yes. You don't have to pretend you don't not pretending I don't but I don't but I'm also I have now. I'm looking at that. There's ninety those movies and I would say that seven of them get lower than a B or eight hundred six of them get lower than to be in my book. The reviews have not been great. What's this one? This one is the final one. It's called the rise of Skywalker and I are at best if he and I and that's why I'm going to go watch it and then go home joy. Ah they made a good one since nineteen eighty no well since the end of our childhood ones. That's and I've been saying that consistently the same way I told you the browns. We're going to drop a big egg again. All these things that you think are going to meet up to your child. You did -tations. We'll not you did predict them to win the Super Bowl in but that was that was in the moment. That wasn't my fault and now he's on seahawks corner it's it's all written at. NFL DOT COM. I believe in a moment you're one of I need to get into the cms cms system where you can quickly arrays are here. One of three analysts to pick The browns to win the Super Bowl. Who else was player? Browns fan in. Show Thomas AH obviously with overt links to the browns. We were up in our. It was clear feelings. Young people would say this is where you see like the different rules for different players different levels of of stature. It's like they're not going to bring Tom Blair in in mark back next year. But Joe Thomas well it was because of this prediction at that went poorly. Oh all right. Oh I have a an announced as we teased by the way at the Erika did really good via work at the beginning of our Tuesday episode. we will be as you know we have our lab listen to that music so fitting our live show in The Super Bowl. We do it. It's a new tradition. We did it last year in Atlanta and we had a great time. We're GONNA do it again This year Ami at the Miami Improv around the NFL. podcast live show on the Thursday night before Super Bowl fifty four. It's going to be a lot of fun to four of US Ricky chopping it up and with an audience there and liquor. Oh the liquor is all available to you you as well how to charge. But what's better than watching the heroes and we're all together and after the show of course will Chat with the fans so join us so attend a live podcast taping at Super Bowl fifty four check the lincoln the bio on our. At an instagram pace. You'll find the link to go get got tickets at the Miami Improv Thursday night before Super Bowl. Fifty four now that Dan. And it's also on the Miami Improv website so it you don't have instagram instagram. Well get with the time have them. And that's part of my bookmarks on your that Improv theaters been in my bookmarks for years. All works out for Google. Now we're we're live all over. I just tweeted it. I mean everybody. It's it's everywhere. We'll get tickets They won't last According to people with Knowledge of the situation wasted Greg. I trust the sources all right implicitly. All right that's it for today. Show the next time you hear from us. We'll be Sunday night. Where we recap all the Games we just previewed? 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The 2019 Fantasy Football Preview (and a Dash of '90210') With Matthew Berry | The Bill Simmons Podcast

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The 2019 Fantasy Football Preview (and a Dash of '90210') With Matthew Berry | The Bill Simmons Podcast

"Today's episode the bill simmons podcast on the ring podcast network brought to you by ziprecruiter. Matthew berry a guy who knows a lot about working hard and working smart. He's carved data nice little life for himself. You know knows about that. Ziprecruiter technology and tools may carry more efficient and effective. It is the smartest way to hire so effective four to five employers who post on ziprecruiter get a quality candidate through the site within the first day. My listeners can try it for free. Go to ziprecruiter dot com slash b. S. ziprecruiter is the smartest and the hardest and the smartest now. It's it's <hes> it's the smartest way to hire whereas brought to you by the ringer podcast network where you can find awesome podcasts from people like dave chang jo houses award winning fairway wrong golf podcast against all odds with the cousins and many more we have football season coming up rearing fell show right it now. Has all of your fantasy football needs being taken care of except the ones. I'm about to scratch right now. When matthew berry comes up in one second i <hes> <music> our friends from project probably on the phone line. We have been doing podcasts together and look this up. Can you guess the date of our first podcast together mike matthew perry can let's say you're damn matthew berry two thousand eight yeah what month we didn't fancy football one it would it would have been in the spring. I think right yeah it was. Maybe it was april. I don't know why we would have done a podcast in april. What was it like baseball. Baseball must've been fantasy. Bastad member and people played eight fantasy baseball someone. It's been awhile since i have been a couple years since i actually have yeah you you really carved out. Something magical for yourself just decided a few two years ago. Football is all that matters. That's all concentrated my efforts on. I thought it was brilliant at that. Pay you well. It's it's not that for baseball doesn't matter that fan- fantasy fantasy baseball isn't find it just became a i have five kids and fantasy football specifically fantasy football's become like this year long enterprise right so the super bowl ends and then you're at the combine and then there's free agency and then there's the n._f._l. Draft and you know there's this and there's not as and there's constantly news and so we did we did fantasy shows we did podcast had columns and you know my first set of rankings comes out literally the week after the super bowl and and it does traffic people are interested in it so you know producing using content for fantasy football year round has become good business for for e._s._p._n. And for me it was just it was. It was becoming too much to honestly do a good job at fantasy. That's baseball. I just didn't wanna like half ass my way through it. You know and so <hes> luckily e._s._p._n. Was <hes> gracious enough to say. We agree and let me do <hes> football fulltime. Aw i miss the old days when i could really really hear the love and joy your voice for you just to be like i would do this for free man dan. I fucking love. This is yeah well. You know it's a good reader. You've been bristol. Is <hes> a little bit. I've definitely listen and i'm a company he really i really am. I look there's certain things that i would that. I would still do for free like i love my show my my t._v. Show that they you know we have. We we have puppets and guys and bear costumes and daniel dopp is half naked and that is my favorite thing that i do and so i would do that for free. Can i tell you something yeah. You said you'd five kids earlier. Yeah one of the kids is twenty one. You don't have five kids in adult twenty-one means he can undo basically everything you can do legally in this country except maybe can you rent a car. When you're anyone can rent a car. I think but it's much more expensive if you're twenty five it's it's <hes> it's cheaper. <hes> i don't know i i still think of him as my kid although it'd be interesting so i'm literally <hes> tomorrow first thing tomorrow morning. I'm going to las vegas egas. I'm <hes> i'm doing an event at caesar's friday night and saturday and so he turned twenty one. My oldest turned twenty one this summer so i'm taking him and a couple of his buddies with me me as sort of his <hes> his birthday present. He's never been to vegas so there are that i'm at eleven o eight p._m. I think that's the time they're going to duck. You probably like hold on right back and then you're just wandering around the casino cookie for them and then of some random old guy like like an addict club in vegas or something like that yeah the next day. We don't know you were we were looking for you. We couldn't right yeah right. We got lost and yeah. Oh sunday's the black guy yeah no. I'm i'm i. I think that's a good call. I was actually going to <hes> set the over under a little bit later because it's their first night so i was going to say probably probably like twelve thirty something like that but one hundred percent. They're absolutely ditching me. Yes no question about it. It's going to happen. It'd be somewhere between eleven and twelve thirty fantasy baseball. Oh you mentioned as it's lost. Its luster a little bit. I think i think what's happened. Is it's become either in one league or the other. It's just become more sophisticated vindicated like i've been in that same american league only league for fifteen sixteen years. I have no idea who the national league i really don't. I've heard of people lonzo ryan like three the other people and i could tell you like the twenty ninth man on the royals and i think that's that makes it really hard to you know kind of have fun fantasy baseball conversations conversations because i just don't feel like a lot of people are leagues that have people on both leagues yeah well. It depends i mean there's it's either that words people play in the midst leagues which are fairly shallow like i mean there was a time in my life bill not that long ago where i could name like the backup catcher on every team yeah i could name the left handed relief relief specialist on every team and now i'm like you know literally. It's just like oh oh yeah well christian yelich eligible having a good year like i mean it's it's it's. I'm so football focus these days <hes> everybody is yeah the funny thing about football. We've talked about this probably every time we do this podcast where there's too much information. Everybody's reading the same. People people are now reading the pieces that you write like the love hate p._c. Did this week and then there's a backlash in their head to oh. He loves kyla moore. I'm going the other way and that but now it's so advanced van that now it's actually better to round back in and there's a backlash to the backlash where the swerve is now to believe in your opinions because everybody everybody else is going the other way. Everyone else is reading your column so i think the columns back in where people should just actually listen to it again appreciate that we've come full circle then paul circle because everyone reads it before the draft and you know the the last like three things you read before fantasy draft stick in your head the most host and you're saying i love. This guy loved that guy. I love this guy hate this guy and that's just kind of ingrained in somebody's head when that person's name comes up at an auction yeah and it's also it's also tough too because people forget so like <hes> trying to think of a good example but like kyle lowry is is is probably a good example that somebody and i'm not saying i'm the only one but that somebody that i've been talking about for a long long time and he was going way way late and then now sudden more and more hype and i'm part of the people hyping him but in their others as well but like now people are like then they see me talking about kyle like we just did our marathon and i'm like well. Of course i'm known about column or you know and it's like well. That's that's because me and a couple of other. People have been talking about it for a while right. Peter schreyer's trying to own that corner and cosc- was in mahomes last year and that worked out and now this here. He's all kyla my guy. This guy was the number one pick in the draft picky like three. You can't be like lebron's my guy it branded. You know a little more creative. Come on peter schrager geisha together. I like well. I like peter schrag ron. Iran mahomes last year. I mean look was on my show eyadema's asleep where he was in my love column but i certainly didn't have them. You know doing what he did but louis riddick was on my show last year and we asked him for a bold prediction and i think people forget this as well like at the time last year. People are like wow you gave up alex smith and this is a team that went to the playoffs like and you're going to turn over the keys to this kid. That's played one game and we played that week seventeen game in his rookie year against denver and so i think people forget how much you know people like we get a little bit of towns a bit like you guys are a game game or two away from the super bowl like going with this kid. Instead of out smith who's kind of his proven winner and louis riddick was on my show and he said thirty touchdown passes for patrick mahomes cbs which a was a bold prediction that no one blinked an eye out last year and be he was off by over twenty touchdowns. I mean like you know so <hes> <hes> or exactly twenty touchdowns. I should say a few kyle and i and the ringer fantasy league here. We were all over like a cheap suit. How'd you did you guys win and we have three but this is why i hate fantasy football the best team and we didn't win. That's how hard would always plays out fitful baas ridiculous. We took in my a._o._l. Keeper league. I think we we basically traded. Two first round minor league pigs for jose ramirez right who i don't saying he went into a coma is is in. That's not fair to people who've actually been comas right. He was basically. I don't know what happened to him. Now he's kind of come out of it but he murdered desa aaron judge like you know flipped his oblique muscle or whatever he did and he sucks and it's like we pick the best team. How are we not win. In this league. I just hate fantasy and i don't know why i do to myself. It's like it's my version of heroin. I just wish i could quit right now but you can't. It's in your blood. It'll be in your blood <hes> for the rest of your life and it is it's one of those things it's like <hes> because you can't control it. It's so addicting so i mean you know i i have <hes> i. I love the fact like <hes>. I've told this story before but i'll i'll tell real quick because i told it to you but like so the last eight years i've been invited to jay z's fantasy football football draft right and so he has a has a league called the the guts league and chris paul's in that league and a bunch of you know very famous people and <hes> <hes> in very powerful people and everything like that and so anyway i i'm just sort of a fly on the wall and <hes> and you know i. It's it's fun to hang out right. It's a really fun league but i'll never forget like a couple years ago. Ajay had <hes> dez bryant and this is a year that roma was hurt and i think actually kellen moore was the quarterback and <hes> you know they're just struggling to move the ball and so so he does and he was like he needed something like like seven points in a p._r. League to get into the playoffs win the game and when you get into the playoffs like who whoever always playing was done it was a sunday night game and so he's like he's like texting me and he's just like what the hell's going on with more. Why can't they get the ball. The dez has like you know. All i need is three for forty. Let's go and so he's you know and he was just like upset right. Obviously it because it was so frustrating to watch and i just eventually league does brian got over seven points and he made the playoffs and did very well and he's a very good fantasy football player but it just sort of love. That moment was such an amazing moment because here's jay z. Who's like a billionaire by crazy. He's he's been. He's been successful at every possible thing. He's done right on top of the music world. He's he's <hes> very successful entrepreneur as well. He's married to beyond say like pick. A category like this guy has been awesome and yet there he is sweating out stupid callan more like the rest of us right you know morons and so it is the great equalizer fantasy football is the great equalizer and i think that's one of the reasons why people love it so because it's one of the i it's one of the reasons why i think he loves it so is because like here's a guy. That's been successful everything in life. It's here's something that he can't control that. It's like you know and so you know <hes> yeah two things to tell you to updates from last year. You'll start one. Is that the league. I'm in with sour. We vote somebody out. Which some people think is the greatest idea of all time and and i just think it's i hate it. I've never been voted out. I'm sure this'll be the year <hes> that league. There is a controversial todd gurley trade where this guy made this trade and got a couple running backs back already had a running back and the team that got it. We were very upset and it turned into an email chain that there was one day where there's three hundred and fifty emails. Oh my god people are so angry that i actually thought it was going to be the end of the league. Can i am still maybe <hes> but then when when when we <hes> in june people start sending emails are we gonna do this again and and then it kinda heated up again got got angry. Now it's like do we have like a like a psychologist on hand or like a counselor. Where should we have a marriage counselor as the auctioneer like they're still like real bitterness with a couple people how it's gonna play out like i'm. I'm natalie might not looking forward to it. It's it's awkward well. You guys may need to you didn't you. Didn't i feel like <hes>. This was in your book or something like that but didn't didn't tom cruise once. Come to your league in like settle a fantasy the dispute no that's that was a good exaggeration though that was that was like when my mom tells the story from does your mom do this the childhood that earlier thirty two percent accurate zig member when you fell off that jungle gym and then it turns out. I just like nick my neon slider. Something actors. Tom cruise camden jimmy. Show oh the okay that was jimmy. Jimmy football sunday and sell in in settled a dispute between sal and jeff ross after sow pranked jeff ross and said he was safe fun dancing with the stars and then he actually voted out and time came came in and pull the total. Tom cruise so maybe we need. That might be the answer. You might be right. We might need tom cruise so may heels this. Maybe tom cruise or maybe jimmy somebody like that that everyone loves that can just sorta come in and like sort of an independent third party they can come in and <hes> and settle everything i just i knew there was something about tom cruise and and sal yes and healing. That's one the other thing. I had to tell you one last question though that that without email string was sow like part of the of the dispute or was he just because i've been on email strings with with sow and like no one's better at like sort of like twisting twisting the needle and yeah ramping it up like he's a master at that he he <hes> he was not one of the principals but once it got going he went to the store and bought about ten gallons of gasoline and hundred matches and it was just dousing everybody and setting them on fire changes changes anytime it would die down. He would do something it <hes> we. There was accused accurate. I don't want to say who is above. There's accusations of colluding boy. <hes> there is mom. Mom jokes turned like that gone bad and it was i can't even describe it says one thing the other day allan mentioned is i will. I will the last before you move on. I will just say i will offer myself if i can be a peacekeepers an independent third party fantasy football guy if i can if i can help heale your <hes> your league. I will be happy to do so. That might be a good a good job like you now. They have dog walkers yeah fantasy football third party security. They've blanket people. That might be all right second thing. I i don't wanna. I don't wanna betray anybody. Who's told me this but the whole really high priced fantasy league thing seems like it's gone to another level. I am not in one of these leagues but the stories i've heard word and i know you wrote about this little in your book and i'm sure people tell you stories but it feels like this is becoming more and more of a thing especially you know kind of von spoken but people who are in leagues that are like one hundred thousand dollars two hundred thousand dollars. The reason i mention is jalen just mentioned somewhere about how k. d. left the league that he was in. Where was a lot of money like this. Are there more leagues like this out there than i think. People would know sure. I mean so first j-league. I don't know if it's a differently but i know jalen isn't a league with like lebron and draymond green is that the league and <hes> you know and it's like a maverick carter's ended it like a bunch of lebron's guys and <hes> so that's a big money league and i've definitely heard of like wall street leagues ivy leagues with you know people that like owned casinos that gets one hundred thousand dollars to enter. It's it's sometimes. It's even more so it's crazy. I think part of it is part of it is because of you know sort of there is there are high stakes fantasy is he leagues like so there are public ones that you can you can go to vegas and and there's a bunch of sites that offer and so it's like fifteen hundred two thousand dollars to enter with a bit you know when you play against one hundred and fifty people <hes> so so high stakes fantasy football has become sort of a category in in of itself and then you add in the us at aspect of it like fan duel draftkings and these big prize pools as well so yeah and i think it's you know if you can afford it like ten thousand on dollars or one hundred thousand. I don't know what the entry fee is for for lebrons league but whatever it is. It's like me putting in one hundred bucks in the league right. I mean so what what that guy can afford. What what jalen can afford like some of those people that are in that league that have you know incredible wealth. <hes> you know. I just wanted to say there because you can't like give somebody nobody a ten thousand dollar check. I mean i guess you could but the the higher the number is the more suspicious than the i._r._s. would be so i guess people would have to paying cash or when they see each other person so like draymond zada game on that saying he's in a league like this maybe but james in a league with i don't know donovan mitchell in donovan mitchell one so the the jazz are playing the words and dream on brings ten thousand dollars to the game have the bob. I like i. I don't know i'd love to know how that part of it works. I have no concept. I'm not in any kind of league like that. I play in a couple of reasonably high stake leagues where you know the you know like you know you're right reasonable reasonable kids including who can do everything legally in this country. Why can you not totally rent a car at age twenty one but you could have you could have been important for three years by then. What are we doing wrong. That's a good question at your next. Guest is insight there. They're google that kyle. You want to save that onto and over the tail end of this. Let's talk doc sannoussi football all day every day so it was it through the fantasy so we can really gets an attitude now the most traumatic television experience of anyone's life <hes> we're gonna take a break and then we're gonna come back and do <hes> do a little preview. Hey let's face it. Guys are terrible taking care of their health. Steady show seventy percent of guys who experience erectile dysfunction do not get treated for it. That's bad that the most people don't realize e._d. Is like a check engine light for a man's body. It could be an indicator that something more more serious is going on like a hard issue or diabetes while thankfully our sponsor. Roman is created an easy discreet way to get checked out by a doctor and get treated for e._d. Online mine. It's a one stop shop or licensed u._s. 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He's the number one pick the highest auction value guy in the league. Whatever what's happening here look. He's done nothing nothing wrong and if you had the number one picking new drafted alvin kamara i wouldn't look at you weird and i don't think anyone would. I haven't number three in my ranks. Look if there's one concern in here it's that he doesn't get the full workload right. I mean that he gets bolted the goal line some by latavius murray yeah make no mistake. He's <music> awesome. He's awesome but if you look at sort of fantasy points per game. He wasn't the number one player last year. That was saquon barkley. You know if you go through the first sixteen weeks it was christian mccaffrey so listen chimeras awesome and i'll give you a couple of stats on him. He's one of ten players in the n._f._l. With eighty or more catches each of the last two seasons so there's ten players with eighty or more catches last two seasons <music>. Only two of them are running backs. Chimera and christian mccaffrey the rest obviously or wide receivers right <hes> he's had fifteen sorry seventeen games with at least fifteen touches and those games. He's averaging twenty six fantasy points per game which in e._s._p._n. Would be like the number one guy but talking to people <hes> that cover the saints <hes> here the expectation is that latavius murray is going to be mark ingram like they do not want to increase alvin kamera's role because he's a by running back standards a slight white guy <hes> he's bigger than some of the smaller running backs but they don't think he's a guy that they want to have a twenty five touches a game they they loved the production they get and then when they get in close you know they give it to somebody like murray who i believe over the last four years is one of only three running backs to have at least six rushing touchdowns every season the the other two todd gurley and mark ingram who alright replacing worst case scenario he just has a season that resembles the last two seasons he's had so maybe that would be about sixteen hundred yards from scrimmage and he had thirteen t._d.'s as a rookie he'd eighteen. T._d.'s last year is so you're telling me somebody's gonna top that someone did last year. Someone topped don barclay right but now saquon barkley. Do you want any part of him that giants offense you can take him. I guess he wanted and so sure he's your one sequence my number one i my ranks currently are saquon mccaffrey kamera okay make the case for <hes> saquon so first off over two thousand in yards from scrimmage last year rushing touchdown or one hundred plus yards and fifteen to sixteen games twelve different twelve different games last year with over twenty fantasy points lead all running backs. People say like well what they didn't have beckham okay so the four games last year. They didn't have odell beckham junior average over twenty fantasy points per game. He was the fifth best running back and fantasy look that people are like well. The offensive line is about the offensive offensive line was bad last year. It was the number one running back and fantasy and so it's a team that isn't going to be very good so they're gonna throw the ball which people don't realize this they were they were in the upper half a league in terms of pass attempts last year like so we talk about fantasy success coming from two things talent you're not going to argue with me on talent right and the opportunity and so when you look around the giants with golden tate missing four-game sterling shepard's banged up i mean it's really it's it's you know all due respect to cody latimer adam and benny fallow the third like it's evan ingram and it saquon barkley is who they got to start a season and hopefully shepherd gets back in there and eventually. They'll have tate like his volume is. It's gonna be insane. Maybe he's not as efficient as he was. Last year. Put the volume is going to be insane and pat. Shurmur is a good play caller like they'll figure out ways to get him in space and it's all those has dump offs and he's going to catch a ton of ball so i think just the volume for saquon barkley combined with talent to me is what makes him the number born player but again. It's all it's razor thin like if you if you have the number on picking your drafting you went chimera. You went christian mccaffrey u. N. z. cheol elliott if we knew if he was in camp you know reports tomorrow and you went ezekiel elliott number one. I got no issue there. I i wouldn't even have an issue with david johnson at number. One overall so guys coach had an orgasm ick gasp. I think you just spoke is <hes> you know i think saquon barkley. I've i've made this case last year multiple times. I think he's the best running back i've ever seen and i cannot figure out why teams would inches devote everything possible to just stopping him and not worrying about anyone else in the giants i would it almost us like in soccer where they have the person marking the striker. You know the the sweep. Just falls strike around the field. I would just use to people on barclay zag. Go ahead of us is beating us right but i think they i think they they try that last year towards the end especially without without beckham and i'm sure they'll try that this year but i'm sure they're they're going to try to do other things as well around yeah he. You know you really could stack the line against them. You the hope is eventually. He's going to get through and do something but i don't know i just think chimeras a safer bet. I guess it depends like if i had the first pick in the draft. I just wouldn't want it. I i would rather have like three or four or five and end up with one of those other people in a in an auction. You don't have to worry about it but just snake in a snake draft for the fucking losers out out there who still do snake drafts you know you are we have like the loser convention inhales through the snake draft yeah. Let's remove all the degree of difficulty from this. I yeah i don't know a whole auction from last year. Look it's fine. Have your cheeseburger without ketchup. Have your have your stank draft. Ridiculous like my son should be in a snake draft because he's eleven either followed. Does your son play fantasy now not yet he my son an odor the story nobody's written yet is that odell beckham is ruining generation of young boys between the ages of like eight and thirteen who when they have have catches with their dads only tried to hand to catch his and they have small hands and they're chanting their fingers and they can't catch half of it and it's like he's just ruined everybody everybody. It's like this step back three and basketball all the eight nine year. Olds are out there trying to be james harden. It's like wanting to learn how to shoot. I write duly up couple of fundamentals momentum to allay up. Make a fifteen footer my son. I'm yelling at him. As we're playing catch like stop with the fricking odell beckham. Would he doing but people. They just love it. They kids love love odell beckham which i guess we should he be the next person we talk about sure but i wanna finish the david johnson think for one second if i had the first pick in a snake aac draft. I'm at the loser convention now. I'm in steak yup yup and i took david johnson. I would your reaction. I'm fine with that. I'm a little surprised but but i got no issue with it i i. I think he's in that realm again. Go back to fantasy <hes> talent and opportunity okay. The opportunity is going to be there think about last. Did you everything in the world. That could have gone wrong with the arizona. Cardinals did like the worst a historically terrible offense. David johnson's still finishes the ninth best. Running back can fantasy in a year where everything went wrong so it's just it's an incredibly high floor. Yes two thousand seventeen and missed fifteen games but he's played all sixteen games in his other other three n._f._l. Seasons lasser he kinda for over forty eight percent of the arizona touches. Get was the highest rate in the n._f._l. The usage is going to be off. The charts. Kingsbury is already sat and watched some of that preseason game the cardinals in like what that kingsbury system is based on right is letting pressure in <hes> getting the ball out quickly quickly dumping off to the running back <hes> three of the last four years. The kingsbury was at texas tech. He was top fifteen and f. b. S. in terms of running running back receptions including i think top six his final year so like a pass catching running back is a big part of his offense which should be the higher pace look and we'll see kingsbury system is going to work in the n._f._l. From a win loss perspective but from a fantasy perspective it should be fairly high scoring and so and then you think about who do they have like christian kirksey sleeper. Everyone knows who larry fitzgerald is. David johnson might catch a hundred balls in that offense like it's a bad offensive line but again kayla marie because he's gonna behind bad offensive line and getting the ball quickly. He's going to dump it off the david johnson all day every day. So here's a guy that's you know super talented gonna touch the ball a ton on offense that we think will be <hes> fairly fast pace and fantasy friendly so yeah i mean i just think again volume talent for david johnson. It's like people are contractually obligated to say bad offensive line when they talk about anyone on the cardinals. Do what if if it's not that bad what if it looks like a d. minus right now but it might end up being like a c. plus. I think arizona would be very excited about that. Adding everyone the drafts <hes> tyler murray would be <hes> would peter schrager schuyler murray guy calling him now zipper he breaks. I i love. I think he does a great job. <hes> he's so happy right now. We're talking about the the next jets g._m. Can raise as it was at <hes> but the <hes> the column or i got a great column stat for you which i absolutely loved one of the reasons why i'm so high on them again. I like. I am as a top eight fantasy n._f._c. quarterback this year so last year he was one of the first he was only the second player in history to throw for over four thousand yards and run run for over a thousand. Do you know the other was tim tebow. No player in college in epi s to <hes> throw for over four thousand run for thousand who is a super guy who has a kindergarten watson does shawn watson who obviously his rookie year. He was the number one player and fantasy until i got hurt. Peter just said that <hes> he just predicted star wars was going to be huge in <hes> so <hes> with tyler murray the other piece of it that i don't think people realize everyone knows oh yeah yeah. He's a good runner. He's athletic blah. Blah blah blah blah yeah. This guy is is a great passer yeah so i mean he was. He was just as accurate as baker mayfield baker mayfield who was already one of the more accurate quarterbacks in the n._f._l. Coach tsk he basically had the exact same accuracy numbers at oklahoma that baker mayfield did the year before and by the way if you will get the average depth the target like he was chuckling it down the field. These weren't like he wasn't super accurate because he was dumping it off like they were shocking it it so i just i think he is a special guy in the way that patrick mahomes is a special guy in the way that you know some of the other quarterbacks in the way that aaron rodgers is a special guy i think kayla marie is a special guy and i think he will <hes> i think thing because especially because the running i'm not saying he's gonna be aaron rodgers <hes> from an n._f._l. Perspective but from a fantasy perspective. I think he's a special guy. I also like him and as you know. I love to try to get multiple guys from the same team. Try to pick an offense yep <hes>. I'm not giving away really any secrets because i haven't when my league in twelve years nobody takes me seriously. I think that's why they don't vote me out because i do w. Why why are you getting rid of the the easy w it's worse than that it's because i finished third every year with a really good team and then something goes wrong. That's my legacy. I'm like the pre two thousand four red sox but today they love torturing you with that yeah. That's what it is and the other thing is every year from it right well. You and i have done this podcast since two thousand eight and every year you spend at least three minutes saying i hope they vote. Okay opposites probably my year to vote me out always do that. You always have this this rant and of course they never will because that's what you want in damage claims i'm i'm trying to reverse jedi mind trick them with all of it but i really do feel like if they voted me out it would be like they've relieved my pain for four months. It'd be like going on morphine fina as in the hospital with some terrible injury <hes> here's the thing disappointed by david johnson as he gets hurt and week for you. You take that out of your mouth. If you stop saying that <hes> it will be <hes>. I'll tell you what it will be. It'll be like as soon as you get voted out. Yeah then something else will like your kids will come to you and wants to play with you or like jimmy. Kimmel suck you into a league that you don't want to be a half to do that. Well you know what <hes> so. I had left my league met the. I think the guy was ever in. I was in a fantasy league. I think in nineteen ninety it was a bunch by high school friends and their colgate buddies and this was back in the day. I've we've discussed it before. Were my friend. Camp was the commissioner and he would tally the stats on monday from u._s._a. Today and then mail as the standings after monday night now the standings on thursday and find out if we wanna not that's how long we've been doing this so i laughed and then they were giving me shit because i'm turning fifty this sure you got to come back and so i came back and it was great because it will it's just a completely <hes> politically incorrect email threads ed's and just a bunch of a bunch of guys from another era just mom jokes left and right and just all the same stuff and it was great but this is the league where we have of two starting quarterbacks which is another one because i think there's more than ten quarterbacks and i think it's ludicrous that patrick mahomes isn't a top five guy doesn't make sense to me so couple of things first off. There is way more than ten good quarterbacks. I mean there's like john good quarterback. I mean like on e._s._p._n. Dot com <hes> <hes> people like philip rivers and <hes> you know kirk cousins and jimmy garoppolo and lamar jackson. You've got josh national huge last six weeks number one from week twelve on last year. Josh allen was the number one quarterback fantasy seventeen. Josh fucking allen was our number one quarterback the last six weeks of the year they go which just share the power a power of rushing but again like so quarterback is insanely deep into the other thing there is by the way i was just about to bring this up super super flex leagues are so much fun. They're unbelievably fund so i'm in a bunch of them. An essence a usually how they they work is quarterback. Two running backs a couple of wide receivers levers two or three a tight end and then four flex spots. One of those flex spots can be a second quarterback so in essence becomes the second quarterback but then you mix and match. I've also seen other leagues that in addition to the super flex have have tightened premium scoring so it's p._p._o. But like a tight end would get one point five points per reception. Sorta sorta helped elevate <hes> titan. I feel about now now. We're dungeons and dragons ing fantasy football like the guy the guy's going backwards for five yard loss on a screen pass and gets appointed point yeah. That's the the the dumbest thing we've ever somehow people are just bored by by fantasy i think and somehow p p r took the day it's almost like when a bad presidential candidate wins. I'm not naming names right but when people are just like i can't ed and then you get but p p r just took a life of its own and it's inexplicable to me the two quarterback thing in the super flags so this plus a reaction to initially with fantasy football the quarterbacks. Just you know obviously you take them. I have the most points so then we figured we started adding other positions shins and then we valued them to the point that on our dana see football show <hes> they did a whole thing about a top fifty in mahomes wasn't in the top top fifty because why would you take them in the top fifty. There's twenty quarterbacks. You only need one. It's not enough of a difference yeah. No i literally just came from taping keeping the quarterbacks episode of the fantasy show on e._s._p._n. Plus they wanted to make sure i got on the plug for e._s._p._n. Plus which is mother way four ninety nine a month <hes> and and you get <hes> you get patents places and you get <hes> thirty for thirty thirty for thirty library bill. Yeah <hes> a bunch of good stuff there show. I'm sorry <unk>. You've you've got. You've always late with katie nolan. You get <hes> get lots of great stuff r._l. In the body and the bad guy to college football anyway get lebron show kevin durant show kobe show <hes> so anyway <hes> great stuff forty nine a month e._s._p._n. Plus all right so anyway anyway. We just finished. We just finished the the quarterback show and we were talking about it like just how crazy this is patrick mahomes as <hes> my number one quarterback but i'm as twenty nine overall into the third round <hes> and i. I think there's no way that he lasted that. There's there's going to be one guy every league the draftsman the first round or the second round and that guy's drug well no it just listen. I mean it all depends on whether you believe or not if he can do it again well it. Was you know i'm a quarterback sky in auctions. I like to have like four or five. I always feel like you can train them. You know if i wanna have last year i played it perfectly and had three really good guys and i and i actually was having real fun china's side which guide started week but i would just rather do that than take awesome running back. I'm not excited about you. Know quarterbacks are a lot more fun the argument there obviously is again. The position is so deep which goes to your point about a super flex league we by the way when you a super flex league no defense kicker which again is also also great. I'll go back to your comment. I like. I like having kickers. Do you either one time of year. You're either you justin tucker wins because he had six field goals or you have like the who always has a terrible kicker who's the team that always get screwed other kickers the viking browns for many of the browns whoever you have that kicker and he misses three field goals mrs twenty two yard or and he lives by one point. It's the chargers had an awful chart where they've had multiple ones brutal anyway. I think the the the one of the things that p._r. Does or half-point p._r. Which which is a lot more popular these days as well is that because there's so many running back by committees yeah in essence the p._r. Makes guys like james white super valuable right but you know running backs that in a traditional fantasy league wouldn't be all that valuable but you know in n._p._r. Scoring just like they are in in real life james whiteside super valuable listen if we're coming up with rules to make james wade super valuable. We're doing something wrong with super bowl. I don't want to hear from you've got you a super bowl down back. I need to have a my fantasy team. Get the efat here. Come on i pay patrick mahomes end josh allen on my team. I'm pro super flex. I we are we are. We are agreement there. <hes> both pro super flex can fantasy. It's like the people i use the argument either way right well. It's you know robert mays worse the ringers he wants fantasy football <unk> kind of reflect real football and it's like well first of vall were drafting players from thirty two different teams in throwing together which is ludicrous so we're already not reflecting football. We don't have offensive lines. We don't have coaches like this. Season already ridiculous and you don't have yet right. I've heard of i've heard of leagues that do that that literally like have you know fifty five man man rosters and there are thirty two teams in the league like super deep and detailed but those are few and far between i think robert mays great ideas crazy. Wow how fit it's fantasy football. It should be fun right and you know it's fun is watching superstars score points like it's it's fun to have high scoring games. It's fun to have you know. The guys that you're gonna in the highlight shows the guys that are you know it's like. I don't know i mean the super flex to you. Don't necessarily have to take take a quarterback. No you know you could stack at the other yet in generally it's tough to win without two quarterbacks but like yes again if you're you're in a deeper for league or like it's a buy week something like that. You know you you luck into somebody. That's <hes> that just sort of you know kind of blown up in a big way <hes> yeah all right so james connor you block in james connor. You could throw him into your flex anyway. He just it's. I think it's more strategy. I think there's more strategy and filling out your lineup on a week-to-week basis and also constructing your draft day in a super flex league so it's it's a it's a lot of fun. I'm in a lot of leagues and trying to convince a e._s._p._n. To <hes> to do more of it the move which i have been advocating really since fantasy basketball in the late nineties with davis brothers where i wanted to merge together and call them antonio antonio davis and just combine their stats and turn them into basically karl malone or whoever the move is z. e. You should be able to have one merger each team. Staff a merger guy and you should just all agree before the draft right so the patriots it could be like you get sony michelle and james wait. You just can't take combine them into a frankenstein monster roseanne person in throw that combo person into your draft. There are people people that play in a sort of that they don't call it like frankenstein a merger but they're people that will play like team rb so insincere patriots running backs and just basically whether it's whether it's white where the sony michelle whether it's damon harris with a rex burkhead or james devlin y- you get all the points that the patriots running back score and so kind of life by <hes> not to be fun like you know team wide receiver team quarterback team running back. I've demolished to do that with tight ends right yeah. Tavern team tight ends and then if you have like a pittsburgh situation where there was have some random white guy with big forearms catching balls. You've never heard of then you get that guy saying hey new white guy all right yeah by the way touchdown. The random white guy tied in pittsburgh this year advancement donald. He's gonna have a monster <hes> he's. He's got a lot of people on the bandwagon. I love love mcdonald's title but this is that what happened in miami and george keto last year. What do you mean happening blew up. He blew up but i had them the whole year. I felt like i was in the front row now. He's is being compared to rob gronkowski. Let's audible to that question okay. What's the audible to that question. No i'm an audible to that question that question for you owe. The george kettle george who who's is george kato gronk is gone right loss. Grunk south spent thirty dollars as for grant questions. I just want to mention that did not work out for him. I was laughing the whole time he's like. Why are you laughing. That's guy good luck with that one. He's like a blacker this year. <hes> george kill is he in or is it. Travis kelsey is now the guy who who is now kelsey at one <hes> but i've kiddo it to zach ertz at three. I will say that we did we started this when we looked at it and <hes> last year the top three tight ends the big three kelsey killing erz wor sixty percent better than the rest of the remaining ten starter so one through three were sixty percent better then four through ten among tight ends and for the previous five years in general on average the top three fantasy titans whoever they are like you know years where gronk was awesome the top three tight ends. We're basically about thirty percent better than titans for through ten so in essence last year. Those big three were more than double what the previous five years were in other words. It was a historic season and it is unlikely to come back and happen again. So if if there's one guy that i think doesn't grass it's travis kelsey right who has led the position and scoring three straight seasons he's had at least you know eight hundred yards and every season he's been in the n._f._l. <hes> last four season. He's got twenty seven touchdown receptions. That's most among tight ends. <hes> least likely chief to get arrested. He's got the league won't leave honestly to get around yeah. Put that in your in your schedule a i'd actually. I don't know if that's true. Maybe on it. It'd be top five top. Good chiefs. Leave out a couple of the other least likely chiefs. Let's be clear what crime could patrick mahomes commit in kansas city but that was i was talking skill position guys guys now power fair enough patrick mahomes could be leg scott cons varsity blues character just drive around naked in a jeep at midnight in kansas city. They're letting them know he's gotta be the above the law there he is. He's a bullet yeah above the wok yeah so anyway so kelsey i think is by far the most consistent so kindle kindle i think is a super talented player but which think about last year which was a searcher too weird year for the forty niners garoppolo goes down c._j. Bathroom then you've got nick mullins other guys at the wide receiver position in and out they couldn't run the ball. There's so many yards after the catch with cattle which by the way which is part of his skill set but listen like i have missed my number two tied in yeah so <hes> like an uber abras can i give you. Is that go ahead. What do you look at you with stats deal. How many yards george kibble receiving yards george got taken away by penalty last year. I actually don't thirty five hundred yards seems impossible but i have on my team and that's would've felt like it's thirty five hundred yards. He was the master of the george kahlo. <hes> there's a flag at how many times or maybe just happened. The five times i was is watching george kettle. I'm pro george kitto but there's there's jimmy. G. buzz our guy. Jimmy g. kyle jimmy buzz is not good he he's not look in the <hes> in the preseason little there's little stickiness coming out of the san francisco area there there are some that <hes> and i've heard some whispers <hes> that there's some people that think that honestly that that he's not that much upgrade over nick mullins hoarau yeah oh man hold on take a walk. That's our guy no adapted jimmy g. two years ago where he's coming off the a._c._l. And that's another thing with your guy cooper cup. Who's is also my guy love cooper cup but you know a._c._l. Injury what nine months ago ten months ago i that always makes me. I was file that one away. It always makes me. We've been nervous fair enough. Just just <hes> close the loop on kilohertz. They're currently going in the second third round and again. I have killed at to to earth's at three among my tight ends. I think in terms of roster construction. That's a little bit too pricey for me. I would rather go deeper in the to the wide receivers love ebony ingram this year hunter <unk> hunter henry o._j. Howard i just dance mcdonald guys going deeper. Where about the random patriot. That's going to catch twelve pay. Twelve touchdowns shared the random patriot. Take it is. They're selling candidates. One of them brady's gonna adopt one of them. Maybe i don't think so. I'm down on your guy brady by the way. I know what's talk about that. We'll take a break. Hey here's an insider travel secret from hotel tonight. There are tons of empty hotel rooms out there just waiting to be booked hotel tonight. Teams comes up with awesome hotels to help them sell these rooms and then pass those savings along to you. It's your one stop shop for. Booking cool top-rated hotels incredible values. Their name is hotel tonight but you can actually book in advance perfect for planners in procrastinators leg this summer score an extra amazing deal with hotel. 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This is how you know how trump i did a whole thing on my product we we're trump will short the stock market the stock market doing so well just say something crazy making go down and then he probably high fives people i think you could do this with you could pick a football player and just blow him completely out of proportion just for your own amusement. You could take jacoby myers right now it just every time you do a hit or every podcast everything for the next four weeks. Make it seem like he's gonna be marvin harrison in two thousand five and just see how he he goes. Could you swing the market with one guy. Have you ever tested this. <hes> i have and i have swung the market you know in certain times and sometimes it really works out like <hes> <hes> kareem hunt is his his rookie year mahomes last year. Aaron jones is another guy from preseason last year. Who's just not being drafted in all and i was just like you know. Finishes is the top twenty guy michael vick in two thousand eleven whereas in the market and i was completely wrong to do so so no my space and i've already heard from <hes> <hes> you know <hes> <hes> people people are not happy. Patriots fans are not happy that i have. Tom ranked as low as like look he he is. The goat is is he is legitimately like should be a unanimous first ballot. All famous happens he gets he's in forty two. I don't take it personally well. I appreciate your you. Are your wrestling fan his december you know the last couple years when you're actually trying to win your fantasy league. It's not like he's been lights out so no oh you know you need like the josh allen rancho december. Not tom brady to your point. I mean to last year. He was the eighteenth best quarterback on a points per game basis so he he was already q._b. Eighteen and that was with gronk. Even though gronk wasn't gronk last year he's still he's still somebody that you have to defend. He's still a great run blocker. He's still somebody that that you have to deal with over. The course of tom brady's career in games in which he's played without rob gronkowski. He averages over eighteen percent less fantasy points per game then with gronk in the lineup okay patriots last year were fifth highest run percentage and ninety s in red zone run percentage so you're just like to your point white bill like so. Tom brady doesn't really add much with his legs. He'll have a couple of quarterbacks needs but he's obviously not running a lot and so like you're the patriots and you've you've got a forty one forty two year old quarterback and you obviously have super bowl designs. Why are you going to risk him like just hand. The ball off like roy. You've that that was the key part is they. They stumbled into who they became the last like five six weeks of the season the playoffs where they started pounding the ball with the run game and and they won the super bowl and then from that they're not going to. I fully support i think i think he's a backup. I saw you were worried about brees to. I'm not obviously worried about him just that he's old but i still feel like breezes a little more reliable as a better than tom. He is i mean and i have i have breeze higher <music> but i have him outside my top ten because again same thing drew brees doesn't run right last two years. He's averaging thirty three pass attempts per game that that is sixteenth among quarterbacks unqualified quarterbacks in that frame so he's basically middle of the pack in terms of pass attempts right believe it or not the saints the last two years have led the n._f._l. In rushing touchdown yeah so it's one of the reasons why ingram so valuable why is that and so same thing like he's forty years old and by the way look at his home home road splits like when he's outside of dome he struggles like drew brees absolutely killed fantasy managers last year towards the playoffs because he was so brutal down the a stretch because he had that three game stretch where he was at carolina. I think it was at tampa bay some other game and you know what the move is as you you you take like five quarterbacks and then you just take you cherry. Pick the five best breeze dome games right so you you've discussed before you're you're taking multiple quarterback. Yeah and i can not in any way endorse this is that is a terrible idea. This is the dumbest idea i love it. It's different. Hey zigging zagging. What are you doing <music> you. This might be the take six guy take either. I get voted out or ended up with six quarterbacks wait. You're just trying to sabotage well. That's why you can't get voted at a league because they're like oh. We gotta keep simmons and he's gonna take six quarterbacks and lose every week yeah great and then keeping the league do that again. Neither of us like russell wilson when i had him last year i think i think i think we're at the tail end of the russell wilson fantasy thing and i i have. I have something even crazier to say say okay. This could be the year he just kinda shows up on the waiver wire and like week six. Wow we're like wow russell wilson said the waiver wire what happened well. It's the run heady. Play yeah was it. He's a again similar. Breeze similar brady a great n._f._l. Quarterback now i have russell wilson ranked ahead of both both breeze and brady but the problem is that he's not running anymore no rushing touchdowns last year in fact. Here's a guy that i believe eleven rushing touchdowns in his <hes> <hes> his first three n._f._l. Seasons and in the four seasons since he has five rushing touchdowns total. It's the run heaviest team in the n._f._l. And i know the people that would that would would argue for russell. Wilson's fantasy value would say well. He was hurt last year. Maybe he'll run more this year but i don't like her like so. His rushing is down. It's the run his team in the n._f._l. And he was insanely <hes> <hes> lucky last year like he's always been very efficient but generally has so the last year he scored an absurd rate same tyler lockett and so if you expect russell wilson just to regress to his career means and he's his career level and then he's not running. It's hard to to justify a high fantasy. Pick on them again. Think about this bill last year. His touchdown rate was over eight percent which was a career high and and you know not normally around five percent and which five percents pretty high but i present was off the charts and even with that he still finishes the ninth best quarterback and fantasy. He just looks he's again. He is a high floor guy. He's a great real life n._f._l. Quarterback but unless the rushing comes back it's hard to see him as a viable fantasy and why would it come. He's going to be a low in q._b. One is what he is. They're not going to jeopardize. I think there's an outside chance is on the way where the share and one of the reasons is doug baldwin laughed and they replace them with basically and instagram model the guy they drafted right all he's going to be doing like flexing his biceps on the sidelines. I'm not sold on that guy. We'll say there's a guy named david moore that i like a lot. Listen t- muscian before that david moore was the carolina's been with you the whole time. He's a young guy that they found ahead of coffee with them. Manhattan men had a date with him on a free agent where <hes> next question mayfield odell nick chubb. Is this the new big three for fantasy all in hundred percent eh. Here's here's my here's my the only take i really care about in this whole podcast other than the fact that people in snake drafts and use p._r. Losers nick chubb was fucking rockstar last year yep they stay trade for kareem hunt or whoever they got him. They signed me up. They signed him and then everybody's kind of off. Nick chubb 'cause cream hunts there to my god. Well guess what <unk> going to be there for eight weeks and nick chadwick chabert gonna kick ass and when by the time cream hunt comes back. They're going to be cool. Nick chubs on pace for fourteen hundred yards and fifteen t._d.'s adi's. I'm all in a knick job. I thought he was great. Last year. I think he'll be even better this year now that they have odell on baker's year lager in and you pointed out in your piece this that you just wrote about baker the way he's throwing downfield which all that's gonna do is open up more for chub. I fucking love nick charles. I don't get it forth in the n._f._l. And rushing yards from week seven on last year <hes> i in your in i in yards after first contact precarious two point four one <hes> you know can do to you is knocking dudes over last year is what he's doing it. I'm sorry i just two point four one yards afterwards contact procure last year that was fourth-best in the n._f._l. Not i sorry but still he was a rockstar. I it was the best rate among rookies better than saquon barkley better than anyone and to your point like freddie kitchens took over that offense in the middle of the year so now you've got a a full year of credit kitchens being able to be like this is the offense i want i don't have to you know i don't have to adhere to what hugh hugh jackson wanted <hes> they brought in todd bunk and who's a very creative offensive mine as well and so yes setting up play action to your point about beckham like beckham landry three or shot higgins david and joe khoo once calloway comes back like they've got some guys they can stretch the field which is going to open up. Thanks for nick chubb. The offensive line is the question mark here but i'm with you. I think trump's gonna have a monster season cream. Hunt can't play until week ten because there's a bye week in their rendering his suspension so i'm with view like people. This is one piece of fantasy analysis. They don't think it's brought up a lot. <hes> which is like a locker room and a team is like any other other workplace in this sense right. There's politics involved and everyone you think about like there may be a guy at your work where you may not a man or woman that you don't think is is really up to the job but they have the right connections or <hes>. They've just been there forever. Whatever and they're the person like football teams in the same way to your point bill. If nick chubb is crushing crushing. There's no way they all of a sudden say all right. Thanks nick chubb. You take a seat here comes cream hunt. He'll be a change of pace back. Maybe it will put guys in the backfield but there's going to be a guy named dontrelle hilliard. It is going to be there passing down back but yeah nick chubb should command a tremendous amount of volume for the cleveland browns or you get eight great weeks out of them. Yeah you could rosso trade him after week. Six to the dumb ass in your league who doesn't realize cream hunts coming back an traded for premium guy. I'm also as i said earlier i love having the offenses and look cleveland's getting more smoke up their butts than anybody. I get it but i actually think in a weird way. It's the only reason people pau have either doubted or cooled off on them a little because too many people like cleveland or too. Many people like baker. It's like not just embrace it. Baker is going to be awesome. Awesome nick chubs gonna be awesome and if odell can do basically the randy moss when moss was on that terrible oh six raiders team and then came to the pats and was with the right quarterback at the time of his career and he makes jump i in my opinion. I think thomas is is the number one receiver but i think beckham ms one be so i have devante adams at one the andre hopkins at too i bet commits three but i will say so at some point <hes> in this preseason all right at bold predictions agents piece yeah and my bold predictions for the brown is that owed to your exactly your point there with the randy moss and era that odell beckham junior has the greatest fantasy season by wide receiver ever like that's what's fun to take him and that's why i think he'll go before those other two guys because the upside of his two thousand eighteen season just higher than those other guys yeah and it's one of the reasons why i mean just think about odell beckham junior the only player that has scored more fantasy points per game since inspect came into the league is antonio brown and he's done that with ally and so now he's got a guy and baker mayfield and you you reference my love hate article <hes> that's up on e._s._p._n. Dot com getting a plug in <hes> that he that wants. Freddie kitchens took over. He was one of the most accurate deep passers in the n._f._l. And so now you any did did that without odell beckham junior as a rookie learning this offense on the fly so now he's had a full year again. Kitchens is going to design the offense to do what he does well where he's comfortable and you add adegui like beckham that you just need to get near in the area code of beckham and he's coming down with it so yeah. Health is the only thing that can derail back in this year. I believe also more just it's fun to have the browns. It could be one of the things you're just like. I'm getting all three. We have a guy in our league. In the we one of the south palko hearst who has been on this whole draft offense kick for years and of course he's won like three times a second but the browns are one of those like yeah. Just get everybody if you think they're gonna score. Thirty plus points a game. I'm i love baker. I mean that's not a controversial opinion but i just think he's one of the tasks really fun to watch more his <hes> in the in the in the e._s._p._n. Pin fantasy war-room league more. It's one of those guys that he sort of picks an offense and rat he just he's. He stacks them like you know you know he was on the colts. I think last last year and <hes> he's he's pretty good too by the way more to really good fantasy player but yet he he's a guy that like just like he'll grab the quarterback in a couple of people like he just likes to stack picking offense and just it'd be like that's my offense. <hes> what's five through some stuff. 'cause i really wanna talk about and got to give me some quick answers on this. Yes sir <hes> here here a couple of offenses. I do not like offenses. I do not want people from okay. The titans of tennessee hundred percent agree the jets of new york slash new jersey. I'm also i do think jamison. Crowder is interestingly great. <hes> it'd be sustained and i we'll border. It's worth danner lansky. Who i think is really bryant. Does a great job for us was just on my show today and i asked him for breakout quarterback and he gave me sam darnold. Take that for what what you take but i'm with you i i think the jets are late round sleeper guys. I'm out later on this year so i'm with you on the case against sam darnold k. komo jets fans are also mets fans he right all right and they've already hit the latter this year with pita lonzo. It's not happening twice because jets jets fan slash mets fans hate themselves and hey life and good things in one year cannot happen to them and they know it. The funny thing is they know i'm right <hes> uh-huh another offense that i don't like i forgot how much i enjoy you trolling other other fan bases. You bring the best adamy <hes> here's an offense. I don't like that it is in a chic pick for an offense. I don't like carolina mccaffrey as alleged top three guy. Whoever else has as the skull positions whoever their rando receivers are the show i like d._j. More quite a bit orange on curtis samuel okay great camp but wonderful. I'm a d._j. More guy still wonderful. I hope they're not on my team and then cam newton who had psych yeah he's doing fine. I don't trust him i to me he's like the andrew luck of the n._f._c. <hes> he's he's not going to be on my team and i don't trust that he's gonna be one hundred percent and if he's not one hundred percent <hes> right. I definitely don't want so. I'm staying away from the panthers is my okay. Are you okay with that. I'm okay with it for you. I disagree with that like i said i the cafes a top three player. I told you to player mccaffrey's atop player. I've cameras top ten quarterback and i have j. more as a as a sleeper. I mean a lot of people like thomas but i am as a love and a lot of people like curtis samuel as well and greg olsen going so layton drafts that if he can stay healthy is another one of those guys like he'll be fine so mccaffrey. I'm not with you on. Avoiding carolina is mccaffrey the first white that guy to be drafted number one in a fantastic. How about that question. That is a good question. Well back in the day. China was drafted number one back in the day when brett farve quarterbacks quarterbacks early there yeah back in the day. <hes> higher loves this question. He's like racking his brain now. If anyone can come up with an answer though and that'd be great. Oh i overall rob. I mean listen. I mean there. Were probably some league. There's traffic. I overall think tom brady was ever now. No rock far definitely was back in the day like i'm telling you there was a there was an error there in the nineties where people were drafting quarterbacks in the first round and and early early we were out drunk. <hes> <hes> your favorite rookie running back josh jacobs of the raiders correct correct. It seems like everybody's in on josh jacobs. I don't trust it for some reason. It makes me nervous. I have jon jon gruden. There is david carr derek carr derek hurry up. I had the completely insane antonio brown. I have a team. That's about to move to las vegas in a year. I'm just going to keep my guard up. Is that all right. You're welcome to i think josh jacobs is another. I think is a special kid and looks jon gruden number number one running backs in the twelve years. He's been the head coach have averaged. Two hundred and fifty seven touches a game josh jacobs. They're using them in practice. They're using in the slot. They're using outside. They're gonna put them in. The passing game aimed actually interviewed. Josh jacobs turns out. He played quarterback at high school now. He was a wildcat quarterback right on the patriots. That's our specially right. <hes> <hes> i bet you if he'd lasted a few rounds he would have a few more pixie would've because he went like twenty four you anyway so i talked to when i interviewed josh jacobson and we were doing like in front of a crowd like like at a conference and as i said like hey your quarterback in high school like does coach grew notice and <hes> let's get you passing some and he just smiled and said the package is already been installed so like i think you'll see him. Do some wild cat stuff this year <hes> so he's he's gonna be a three down back. Which is the hana percentages. It makes me nervous that this this many people are on the bandwagon and yet the raiders were an abomination last year. They were not convinced at all that jon gruden is a good head coach at this stage in his life. I thought their quarterback was. It's awful last year. Antonio brown is currently retired because it is like his helmet so my cards up fair. We'll say john <hes> the the raiders offense coordinator. There's got him greg olsen. Who i think is <hes> who's done really good jobs you know he was he was with the rams he was jacksonville and was getting offense at a blake bortles like he's a smart guy and so i'm with you. I would rather have daming williams on the chiefs for all the reasons you listed in your piece. I had him last year. I love it's like going to a restaurant. I had the damian williams williams last year. It was wonderful <hes>. I thought i thought he was really good. The reason i picked him up in my fantasy league was because i was watching chiefs game and he came in and he was really good and i was like who's that guy. He's good pick them up. Every time he did got thrown into the fire. I thought he was good and i don't feel like he has a lot of competition there <hes> i i just would rather have him in that chiefs offense and i also think who's who's the rams rookie girlies backup that drafted darrell henderson listen. I just think all the signs with girly are bad and we have been down this road for twenty years with fantasy with you can start to you see that little skunk stinks smell coming off of the guys and something is wrong with early. It's not going to be right and this rookie running back is which is waiting in an awesome offense and i just think i would rather take those two guys than spend a ton of money on josh jacobs. I will say that if you're going to handcuff todd gurley if something would happen to girly they like henderson a lot but <hes> you know. I compare them to sort of chris thompson. When sean mcveigh was the coordinator in washington. Adam schefter referred to him as giovanni bernard. That's how they think of him. In los angeles <hes> just when we did the did the marathon malcolm brown is going to be the guy that would be the would be the beneficiary if you will the handcuffed todd gurley if something of a girly henderson obviously would see an uptick in in <hes> touches and he's probably gonna get eight to twelve even if girlies out there and getting getting carries but malcolm brown who's not being drafted at all is sort of free and i'm with you on damian williams. I don't believe the running back by committee stuff out of kansas city. Andy reed's never been a running back by committee guy at think is trying to motivate williams who missed some time with a hammy. I'm in on damian. Williams is here. Do you know who my handcuff is for tyreek. Hill who's at the other handcuff. Come on come on. It's getting late come on people on their toes here. Who do you like less antonio antonio bradley honor a._j. Green like aged green. I green worse age our higher. I rank fill the end for a._j. Green he's missed at least six games into the last three years and there's a chance he misses that many this year. He's gonna miss at least the first two weeks. He's over thirty one. You know it's just injuries of really caught up with him. Unfortunately <hes> is there any other offense that you despise and don't want any guys from. I think he'd make a strong argument for the redskins. You know for that list like i can't really trashed redskins. It's my team but yeah look. I mean wait a second why it they're run by a terrible owner and their disappointing every year. Why can't you trash them. Well fantasy wise listen. I there in my blood since i was five years old. I'm stuck being a redskins fan till i die but yeah it is what it is but yeah i mean listen. I think they're going to be offensive challenge. I liked area skies as a player and i think the second half of the year. I think there could be something there. <hes> i think trey quinn for dp c._p._r. League but yeah listen if you avoided the washington offense this year and fantasy. I don't think you're gonna. I don't think you suddenly have lost your league. There's certain offenses you definitely want. A piece of i'm not convinced. Washington is one of them jordan by the way supposedly having a great camp which you know we've heard every single year but he's sixteenth round yeah yeah. He's is another and he's a it just seems like he goes down a little too often <hes> i'd. I really don't want any giants but if you know if that saquon bidding ding early in and it's at a price that is too low i could just see myself waiting in just out of nowhere. Allow man really say he's not going to go for fifty the bucks what's the right price to spend on. You know you talk to the top five six guys. Do you have a limited in your head for how how you would go. Yeah i mean it depends on it depends on the league settings and it depends on sort of what the salary cap. Is you know some people do two hundred. Some people do to sixty. You know i've heard different leagues do that so the two hundred foot what league is that. I've heard tons of leagues in fact that's mostly the standard at two hundred dollars to sixty two sixty for baseball so yeah hey you're you're right. You're right my best to sixty for baseball. Two hundred football over and what i'll do is so you know. I have a spreadsheet a- there's actually there's a there's a tool <hes> <hes> there's a tool in e._s._p._n. Plus there's also by the way lots of rhodope pass dot com. I'll another plug like we have all sorts of auction tool. So what i'll do is i'll. I'll go to <hes> one of the draft softwares. Here's the draft software that we offer on pass dot com and i'll plug and all the settings and it'll generate a list of numbers and values and then uses sorta read the room right and that's that's the great thing about an auction is like if you go into an auction saying i'm definitely coming out with kyle moore mahomes or saquon or whoever it is like that's that's when you get screwed. You know you have it just sort of wait for the values. Sometimes values come early. Sometimes they come late. It's all about sort of reading the room and knowing where they are. The one i will give about auctions that i like to do is if there's as a player you want right like let's say you back right so when you go to your auction and you may one of the things i like to do is like sort of. I like to put a money amount by by the position right so i'm gonna spend forty bucks on you know <hes> running back wanting to spend twenty bucks on running back to and you sort of you know mark it down right and so so then as you get there like you're like i really want beckham and let's say you budgeted. You know forty dollars for your number one wide receiver like the first time it comes to me. I'm throwing up beckham. Most people feel like have the strategy of like. I'm gonna wait. I'm gonna wait well. Let's beckham's not a secret okay right so what happens is like all these bargains go by and then there's like three people with money and beckham's like the last dot wide receiver and the needs of going for like sixty five something crazy like that so what i would like to do is if when it comes to me my very first time like i'll throw it out and that way i know either get for the price. I want or hopefully lower or if he goes for just a crazy. Amount of money not only go there. Then at least i know okay great. I'm out on beckham. I can pivot as opposed to so many times people just wait. Wait wait and then that guy comes out and then you're just in a crazy bidding word because he's the last guy left and you could have had you know michael thomas for thirty eighty seven because people were all sitting on their money so it seems that i feel like more people are sitting on their money lately but here's another tip so my a._o._l. Keep really in in april. Ryan brazier got thrown out in me. Enhance really liked them because with that is gonna be the red sox closer which is funny because he's been terrible <hes> so so he goes and it's like two bucks and then somebody on the phone call was like a thought he just got hurt so now everybody's like what and everybody's googling and trying to find out as as the things going and all the sudden somebody gets them for four bucks and we're googling and don't realize it's the end of the bed and then all of a sudden it's four lead into a shouting match between grown grown men who have kids about whether we should be the thing over again right. It is a good thing to one time a draft. Throw out the one. Oh is he back or are they just like just see to doubt in there that makes everybody wonder what the f. That's john walsh move by the way have you donald. Have you done an auction dirtiest fantasy aware of ever he he loves to do that. 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Why does that guy make the big bucks that he has been and it was because because the moments like that hundred percent nine oh two one oh we did a two part pod which we both of us still getting meals about a tube. You can find it on youtube somewhere yeah. It was like a four hour pot and i love the fact that up until you did your podcast with obama. It was the most downloaded episode before in the history of it was the first three years of three and a half years. It was the biggest one yeah. I guess the first five years right yeah it was really a special right to forty year old guys talking about a teenage soap that had been off the air for twenty years and that was the most downloaded episodes iconic in history so they came back act yeah and it came back as they've done two episodes. It's on fox. It is kind of curb your enthusiasm. Only it's not funny and and they're all playing themselves right there. I think the only done one episode right. I've only seen the one. I saw the second one last night. Emily valentine made a cameo meow and and i have missed the second episode so i it was on my d._v._r. Saying it was coming out tomorrow night. Maybe you got a screen. Did that fantasy marathon for eh day and i don't even know where you are right now. Maybe it's on my d._v._r. And i haven't checked it yet all right so i've only seen the first episode matter they really matters that pesetas but so emma valentine was on and she made gabrielle carteris seem young and frisky by comparison but this show i. I don't understand why it's happening opening. I think where the audience for it and that's it. I guess the ratings are doing pretty well. <hes> i've just never had an experience like this with a form of entertainment. I'm just i'm bummed out. I'm enthralled. I'm riveted. I'm sad i'm horrified gamut of emotion. I freaking loved it. I loved it. I loved it. I didn't know what to expect so <hes> one of my one of my <hes> one of my dear friends from college <hes> my my buddy adam shapiro who is a diehard fan like you and i and <hes> so he watched it the night it came out and i was doing something <hes> on e._s._p._n. And just is is this like how was it. It was just like you know. It was good enough. It was good enough and i. I thought that was a pretty good review of it. <hes> and i actually like the adia that they approached it with right so like because what they are. They're playing themselves in essence and the premise of the show is they're playing themselves but fake fake to get back together and not their real wives girlfriends whoever but they are playing themselves which is confusing but yeah it's sort of weird like jennie any garth is playing jennie garth who's also playing you know and she wants to play kelly taylor again on the show and so they also play themselves and the show opened with what you would have thought if they just redone nine oh two one oh <hes> legit which is like brand owns the peach pit and he's married to kelly who's a waitress is there and like you know <hes> david silver and donna martin are married and they come in and whatever you know and so it was sort of like <hes> and then they then they then they blow it up and it's like it's them playing themselves and i thought that was a i thought that was a clever and smart conceit because i think if they'd gone the actual you know i it's it's. It's the same cast of characters thirty years later. It would have been a little like it would appear it out. It's i. I mean the most shocking thing. Is that tori spelling in h._d. Wasn't i don't know what they did. Maybe they're special effects but it wasn't as jarring as i thought it was. It was jarring but it wasn't like i was expecting you know the last fifteen minutes of predator who knows because she i mean she's had so much plastic surgery at this point but it wasn't that bad actually thought she looked pretty good. Any garth looks fantastic. She looks great. Gabrielle carteris is <unk> over sixty. Yeah i mean i thought she actually thought she looked great as well because she's significantly older than the rest of the cast i mean she was when she was you know i think she might have been thirty five when she she did not know. I thought she was like thirty. When she was on the show and by the time she left she was yeah early mid thirties so she's gotta be pushing sixty at this point so i thought she looked great. I thought they all actually looked great. Brett just look see. He just always looks great and he's still got to be furious. That justin timberlake had the career that we always that david silver was going to have favored sullivan had laid the groundwork author the nineteen hours for a justin timberlake umbrella like career just never happened but then justin timberlake had it some gotti recovered from that yeah. I don't know that being on you know nine hundred zero. Oh is is consolation for not being justin timberlake. You know i i don't but they all they all look great and i thought it was fine and the other thing that i thought was interesting so a <hes> jennie garth tori spelling created by credits on it <hes> with <hes> with two guys that were that were on the original nine. Oh two one oh yeah and <hes> <hes> i thought the kudos to all of them for in addition to playing themselves like being very self deprecating so like jennie garth plays herself as pretty bitchy. She threw the first episode. She's pretty bitchy and she's like she's jealous. Jason priestley and <hes> and i'm a ruining the first episode for now. We're not learning learning anything this is. This is the next course as movie yeah. We're rooting nothing but whatever i mean like so jason priestley you know on the show cheats on his wife and <hes> <hes> tori spelling like fully admits that he has <hes> he she has no money whatsoever and they like your erin spinal spellings daughter like you grew up a billionaire like how do you have no money and so <hes> and you know kelli kelli tori <hes> what's your jennie garth makes fun of the fact that <hes> that her romantic life hasn't worked out away. She probably hopes and that she's had multiple divorces. That is true yeah. I mean like i it is a little weird though because they're playing themselves heightened versions of themselves but it's not exactly right like is married and real life. I think he did have some sort of weird divorce situation so i think they're there parodying the parenting that a little bit yeah maybe like so it's a little weird and i know like like i don't know if jennie garth actually married right now. I know she's had a number of divorces but liked you know so. It's all and anyway so it sounds like he's like you have a chance. Maybe let me call my wife honey. You keep the five kids. I mean it's not it's not the most unrealistic thing ever that you janney garth could end up together right now at this point in your lives. I have to wonder what what there's a chance that my wife would be like you know what kate with the world yeah give it a exist avenue understanding if tiffany embassies in ever no matter how long we're both alive five if chevron just points at me and goes let's go i have to go. That's just the way that's that was written in jennie garth would be on for eddie vetter with my wife. <hes> is i will tell you a story about that though not about any better but <hes> but i really said that my so my wife was at i told this story on stern but we ended up getting to go to the the howard stern party. Oh i saw you there. At the we were at the howard stern birthday party and <hes> steven tyler yeah hits on my wife ooh at the party like like there's actually so paul scheer from the lead comedian no him and so we were talking and paul scheer comes up to me. He's like dude. We gotta figure out a way to get a picture with steven tyler and he's like. I got an idea like we don't want to be. You know you know we don't wanna be those guys but how many times you get a chance to get a picture with steven tyler and like hey. I got an idea. Let's you and i go over and talk near steven tyler and like my buddy will take a candid picture picture and i look over and i said i think we're okay because he's currently hitting on my wife so we literally walk over and i'll i'll <hes> i'll post when we post this podcast. I'll re post the photo because i've a hilarious photo of me. Paul scheer steven tyler and my wife and it literally looks like paul and i are a couple and steven tyler my wife for a couple of how many how many drinks away do you think she he was from at least making them another one because i i literally said to her do this. I said listen honey like it stephen. I i i get it. If you wanna you know no harm no foul. I get it and chooses like no. He's very sweet but he's not my type she goes but but she goes yeah but listen if <hes> if adam levine hits on me all bets are off so there you go so for me. Adam didn't notice my wife. I guess here's the thing with tiffany. Take these end. She and jennie garth were best friends after nanotubes ended okay and then had some sort of mysterious falling out that if you google it the reason has never been discussed. I'm telling you go google. There's storage written about what happened to these two and all tiffany amber these anything anything was on stern or one of those shows just said like i don't wanna talk about it bush to say i was doing those hurt so god knows what happened wow they don't talk and that's why she's not on this show. Wow yeah so maybe that'll be season to the comeback. Maybe so the dorothy but i think they when she came back they amelie mealy. She started feuding with everybody again and it went badly on that was that will they reference on the show. I mean they they basically all take shots chanted and she's not well. Elect it. That much is that much is clear but anyway i i <hes> i was all in like i went in with sort of low expectations and by the end of it. I was like i was into it. I really i enjoyed it was sort of their. You know listen. There was very nice <hes> sorta cheesy moments like when they're trying to get the dress dress and they're trying to get <hes> you know <hes> tories dress. Let's face it. The most important thing they did was they they did the opening credits with the turnaround which there's always the best part of narrow two with the song and then i answering just doing the the one eighty with that kind of knowing assertive look on his face ace that always made me laugh two hundred times a year <hes> i was happy they brought those back and i look there's only four episodes left now. They haven't danica but i just i hope davis over gets a chance to cook. Give the do the ingredients put him in the kitchen and let that man saying. He's a fucking artist. Sir let it let it david silverman do your thing do. You have a chance to have a hit album i would also. I don't know if joey tata's alive but let's bring him out. I was just going to say who did so. You told me emily valentine shows up in in episode two yet other. It's jarring what i ah. I can't wait what other nine oh two one. Oh cast members. Would you want to see show back up like i would've. I would've loved valerie. Malone loan tiffany amber thieves and obviously is that sounds down. I mean that's my number. One draft pick dylan dylan's wife. Oh she died ditch really yeah the the one that all right rebecca gerhard that would have been okay her and they're coming back. <hes> yeah i mean the dylan thing was a bummer they they kind of like shoehorned in a whole luke perry thing because obviously technology but that was the show yeah i mean so he ended up his sendoff ended up being a really awesome tarantino movie so i think it worked out for him <hes> yeah i'm trying to think who else from over the years i mean andrea andrea's. I guess he's out may be good. I'd love to see again was doing drug dealer from the different unspent adila spend drake and against these season name dad and now he had that he's spooky looking is kind of balding mustache than going. Oh here's one what about duke the gambler campbell duca the bookie of duke the book would be good. What about rape pruitt. The donnas abusive boyfriend grew it yeah yeah. How do you talk to an angel and hold on to the feeling gets a little stronger. Get that guy back ray pruitt. He's fighter in real life now. Is he really yeah. That's a man may or may not have google all the stuff on my life what i do best in my anti routes <hes> who was the who was the was it vanessa marcel south. Who is the oh yeah. Yeah wouldn't mind seeing her back. She was great. I had a friend who moved out here that advertise go with in the nineties and became an extra on like every show so like jell rose right allie mcbeal nine. Oh two who ano- friends all of them he was like in the background somewhere for years and so we saw we were like who is who is the best looking actress when you're on the show with in the last five years and he was like vanessa or so that was the answer so there tuck that away tuck that little piece info for you what about eight you know it's interesting what about <hes> what <hes> <hes> kathleen robertson claire claire air. I think from what i've heard. She disavowed the show <hes> yes. She became his pretty serious actress. She's been in some some some some actual legitimate t._v. Shows that are like well directed and stuff. I think she was in boss with kelsey grammer and a whole bunch of stuff yeah i think she's like a real actress and then there was <hes> you know who else i liked was was and i cannot remember the actresses name or her character's name but the <hes> she basically played steve's wife towards the janet yeah janet yeah yeah and they ran the beverly beat or whatever together like the turned into a tabloid and that whole thing those are some dark nanotubes many years the tail end whenever ask any time i answering a little too close to the top and credits you know you know. Some people have left the show. Things have gone badly. Look the ratings have been good it in and my guess is that this is going to be like a twenty episode pickup and and these people be back in our lives. I'm just disappointed. I just thought jason priestley. I wanted him. You know the brandon brandon walsh was one of the great early digital media innovators right. He's working in newspapers. He's trying to start the beverly a blaze or whatever it was and your is eventually going to go digital. I wanted him to be in the middle of this whole. What's the future of digital media conversation running some website. Maybe he's buying other websites. We'll hang on hang. That's the problem like you're talking about brandon wash. He's playing jason priestley. Who's a you know <unk> actor and more trying to get directing goat. I'm saying when they get if they do this then show within the show i wanted. I wanted priestly to own that be be like look. I think this is a really good chance for us to talk about where digital media is going in the two thousand twenty s through the through the lens of brandon walsh. I remember this. I'm pretty sure it was in our nine. Oh two podcast that we did but it might have been another one that we did but i remember you went on a whole riff talking about it and about what they would be like in thirty years. Maybe some you know some crazed simmons fan can can find matter remember that or anything like that but you literally had a whole plot for them of what they would be like as adults that was i pitched it to brian austin green two years later was the idea was a reboot show called nine. Oh two one old in which he thought was insane. He kind of liked it but he also thought i was a lunatic and then in the irony of ironies. This is what they're doing. They're doing what else they they were later. This is absolutely what's happening so yeah i had i had it all planned out. I had david silver as like he'd really hit it big with music by now. Couple divorces still kept his house malibu but not sure how much longer he's going to be able to afford the mortgage like he's at that stage and yes it. It would be easy to i. I'll be honest. I was offended that inconsolably. I i'm right here. I coulda helped as my point. We're that's all we are. We're here to help. I everquest view yeah so my request is that you use your bill simmons power your your big hollywood hollywood power to get one of these people and i'm thinking maybe it's it's jenny tori debt that because they're like literally creators of the show they they seem to have the most power. Do you want a hundred percent i we i think we need to interview them and i want to. I want to go interview them with. You actually wanted to be on their show. I i think even more realistic like it's it's a fantasy football weekend that steve sanders gets invited to on the show and somebody gets punched inched. I'm in for that. I'm in for you. Were just in the avengers. Exactly i listen. I've done one movie in my life bill and it's the highest grossing movie of all all time worldwide. I'm i'm one for one like on a per movie basis. I'm probably the highest grossing actor of all time congratulations his math right. I mean i'm not saying but i'm just saying like you know. I've done one movie. It's made the most time. I think i'm the highest grossing actor of all time and we should mention e._s._p._n. Pluses available for four nine nine a month it can watch the fantasy show as well as you have see in the thirty thirty library in peyton manning and kobe bryant and a whole bunch of stuff hundred percent of his past row pass dot com your ultimate fantasy football resource promo code nine. Oh two one. Oh gets you ten percent off. Is that true it is now. Oh that's great yeah okay. I'll do that for you yeah. I got one last plug yeah the fantasy life app so i have this app and we absolutely crush it on alerts. Beat everyone on alerts. There's look if you look it it up in the app store four point eight stars <hes> it is one hundred percent free. It's a fantasy football c._f._s. Gambling community site but the alerts absolutely crushed and again. It's hundred percent free. Try it out. I promise you it will help you with your pets with your d._f._s. With fantasy football and if you don't like it just delete it a free app but <hes> matthew berries fantasy life if if you search for that on the app store iowa android like it's a it's an unbelievable resource and matthew berra's new <hes> new face app he just launched tweet what you pictures in they make you look older right. You're not going to do anything with the photos no as far as as just a bad just yeah yeah. Actually my stupid son signed up and now of course they they have his entire. I club library so that was great but that's not going to happen with the fantasy life it is you're not gonna see updates hundred percent right. It's it's a it's an awesome resource. You should do it would help you. It would probably tell you not to draft five quarterbacks in your dumb league but i haven't commitment from you can can we try to get jennie garth spelling on the bs report. I don't think predator joke but i think jennie garth is possible all right. I want onto co interview with you. Do that good like yeah absolutely all right good. Luck good luck with the season good luck with your four kids and the twenty one year old. I'm not calling mccain anymore more fair <hes> and say hi to <hes> everybody back at bristol for me. We'll do thank thank you all right. Thanks to matthew berry thanks to ziprecruiter. Don't forget get to go to ziprecruiter dot com slash g._s. Thanks to hotel tonight. They share you incredible deals cool hotels. You actually wanna stay at scoring an extra amazing deal with hotel. Today's daily drop feature unlike especially at hotels like just few snag within fifty minutes. You want to swipe again. You can unlock new deal every day. Go to hotel tonight. 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Animal in the Bedroom

Girls Gotta Eat

2:05:46 hr | 1 year ago

Animal in the Bedroom

"I don't care what you do for a living here. Why you like two one plug baited pal puss to two pugs visit to Bush? Welcome back to another another episode of girls. Got Valentine's week is our is our third Valentine's Day together but actually says its second. I mean I have the receipts. We just discussed quality. It's just like no anything. Pass you by fire your worst quality. It's forty three and cloudy all I got. I had a cold walk over here. Yesterday was lovely. Fifty five degrees. Is Chilly weirdly for being in the forties. It's like that bone chilling forties. Yeah but it's not brick I learned the word brick recently that up to New York thing to say brick cold. I don't I don't know what it comes from. You don't believe in cold snap but you'll say that shit I will. I will never say that Chet will never believe it anyways. Thanks to field. 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Yeah we go back go bigger. Go home you want one billboard. We'll take for no. They're all like small four billboard one big fat billboard I we want to tell you guys about it because we're gonNA go visit it. I mean I'll probably be there every single day looking at Ayar. We wanted to tell you about in case you want to go visit to. It is on forty second and seventh directly above the time square subway. Yeah so this week. Starting today Monday the tenth. If you're listening through this Friday Friday Valentine's Day five to seven. PM Casual Rush Hour. Go Look at subway station and just wait for it. Five to seven Monday through Friday this week you will see our big ass faces. I can't believe every four minutes. It comes up the next one. The next the next four billboards we buy what we static and they won't change their so beautiful. All were so proud of them. If you guys go in your bag the shit out of all three of us girls gotta eat. podcast rounded up Greenberg and ash has where it will probably be to solicit their. I'm throwing part of their. This is our last full week in New York Oregon for three whole wave. It is that the longest you've ever been away from New York to my longest. I've ever been away from anywhere my longest tribus. Yeah so I so. We're leaving on the fourteenth so just FYI plans. We're on a flight to San Diego separately. Several First Class I flagged. I'll be gourmet meal. I'll be in the middle seat. Wrote thirty two by the Shitter. We yeah so we leave the fourteenth February fourteenth and I returned well we both returned to Newark on March eighth so almost a month have never taken a trip that long like I. I'd probably take a trip. I don't even know ten days Max and I'm like I haven't done like a travel. The world trip. I think I've done maybe two weeks. Maybe even when we went to Italy as a family or something. I'm trying to think back like I've taken two week trips maxed out. I started to get really miserable like day. Twelve thousand cool cool. I've done it good. I was going to be like not towards people I'm with but yes towards people. I'm with the first time I went to Europe. I went back I was like I've never been to Europe so I did London Amsterdam Paris Rome Venice and Florence. I was gone for two and a half weeks when I went to Germany and Prague and Lisbon Lisbon and Oliver Spain whatever. I've done a bunch of times. Do Start to get really grumpy. So what I'm going to do with the end of our two weeks together is going to go to Bali and like I challenge myself to try to be miserable and ball. Aw that's why you're not invited. I'll be in Kabul. Yeah I think I do think think I've taken a two week trip like when I went to Italy we balanced around but yeah this is long fucking time. I got a call coming up Friday Friday with Lillian. Charles who is my Atlanta stylised stylist really remote style and she is going to help me pack. You're so fancy she just sashi offered. Were we work together and stuff like that. And she's changed my life in terms of style but yeah she was like. Do you want to get on a skype call and we can work through how you're gonNA pack because it's I mean there's an art to it. I'm stressed out about it. I'm stressing packing for such a long trip. So many climates so many live shows off. Its every live show okay. So let's say at least at least summer climate. I mean maybe we need jackets but like if you packed for winter climate for three weeks what would you do. Oh I can't even put an jacket and a pair of boots your suitcases full well. I like traveling alone because I literally put to stretch pants and once charity. That's it that's the trip. Look I I don't have to look you know. Let's take a picture of May bring like two jackets inches. Looks like you're always wearing something different. I'm thinking like Jean. Shorts t shirts like some stuff like that little like drowsy like to wear like dresses and stuff lab drastic. You can fold teeny tiny little pocket square guys this about packing. Oh my God we make this short. We have a great travel episode from Ashland recorded. Our first trip together was in Paris. How she got on a plane and came to Paris of May two years ago? We did this traveling other. My favorite tip up from that episode is that you should take shots in the lobby. Bathroom tip alert shits alert all shitting about I mean. I don't take that shit right next to the bed. No we're you're thinking of where we might revamp coming up soon and incorporate friends trips like I think we are overdue for travel episode. That was two years ago. Yeah so that we do it from Australia on. Kill each other. We'll just fight off so all you got all drama. We'll skype from curves. We WanNa make this relatively short already really really not doing it. But we have such episode coming up with Ritchie writing and Lisa Lipman celeb- that comedian couple. We're talking about their relationship. which is incredible like the beginnings all about their relation? The end of that interview. We're talking about we get into your pet question. So just a little teaser. For what's coming up. There are fantastic. Wabe we recorded it before this intro and then you WanNa talk about tickets. I mean last call for la not many laughed. We're so excited. Head and Sydney and Melbourne and then we have tickets laughed in Houston Dallas Philly night to maybe a few laughed Tampa night to Miami Vancouver Seattle Portland San Francisco killed at Tarentaise at. I literally don't care. SHOWS DOT com. Thank you to the girl who I know that you literally don't care now. Url You. You texted me this story and you're like Chris and I were so matty we're talking all last night. I I literally don't care I was like. Oh Wow this kid right. Row J. K. J. K.. You wouldn't have. Nobody knew what he'd say that seriously except for that girl on Christmas we got to talk about our every episode crisis definite whatever episode two. Okay family what do I do. You want to talk about Taylor. Swift or J.. Lo I just I'm it's been a big week for music every every exercise class. I've done they are just plain Taylor swift in jail like we are in a Taylor Swift Jaylo moment I tell you something. I'm going to tell you the phone my dad last night it's midnight he's like I'm watching watching these clips on Youtube. I'm like I love. How did you even large what Youtube was? And he's like you know this secure a woman I'm like I'm sorry what dad and he's like. I'm Ray I mean the stuff if she's able to do with her by my seventy-three-year-old Dad I'm like what he was like. I mean her breast two. It's the SASHI for. But in her body the Kremlin Kentucky's Latin and he was like how I never knew about her. I mean she's on the stage the Super Bowl and like I've never heard of her. She's the biggest megastar in the world. All right she's performing with Jaylo Co headlined with her right He's like I don't I never knew about the strategic couldn't stop say. He didn't know curious Akira. I literally security. But that doesn't her hips. Don't lie I never really know that you could talk like this. It's so uncomfortable for me to have my old dad storage. She does her and her breasts and like I talked about this. I can't talk about this. Well I mean I can just we're plugging J. LO incredible super bowl halftime. I'm show do you think more people signed up for the gym on January first or on the day after the supervisor. Oh I remember a time when I was younger Bertil. I think I was in high school. I think I wasn't high school and Britney Spears as MTV Vm a performance where she not slay for the snake but the I can't get no satisfaction and she ripped it off and she had the nude sequences like naked outfit. And I just got on the floor and started doing crunches I was like her body at that time was like what made me simultaneously hate myself but also want to let go to the gym as a high schooler played sports but also just I dunno Dunno whatever people need to realize that. Those people are famous rich celebrities at their jobs to look like that today. They've hired like a team from NASA to make their bodies look like that it like the Kardashians Dorada's aren't real stories bodies daily silo. Because she was like the original booty her butts real. It's not it doesn't look look stupid. Big Dancer since like in living color and she was like. Yeah but I just J. Lo and beyond say like their bodies look like natural whether they are or not. Who's to say that you can hurt? Ashi and Khloe Kardashian Kylie dishonest. Well there's no book or an ad or rows of J. Lo or. She doesn't look like that. A person like you look at you look at Jaylen beyond say I think they have a similar body type to me like little bigger bigger thighs and then they have a by it and it's just like that's naturally like that. May Who knows. Maybe the has small enhancements but like that's just so silly to me that people go so far to get this like Khloe Kylie him look. That looks ridiculous. I'm ready take anyway last week. About body confidence on several though best alive was it so much you can talk about. How Okay my party was go ahead? Your party was the most fun. It was so fun. People like Andrew Call and the next day we were like I said I was like I just WanNa live and reign as party and he was like. Let's all move into a house and never riposte about it I. It was beautiful thing not to get too emotional. As at all of our friends become friends like even are like deep cut friends like we have comedian friends like Hannah. Remmy Andrew All these people and then we have like my dog park friends than we have Robin Allison and then we have all your like food friends and like lifelong friends. Unlike everybody just says come together. Yeah really like everybody left the party. That was the best time I know I just. Every inch of the apartment was covered. Gordon Food I'd every time of alcohol you could ever have and like I also feel like I'm in an age. Where like if you volunteer to be the person to have the party then like you not? Everybody wants to do it but like I like to go to the a party supply store. I like to go to the liquor store. I don't want people to feel like they have to stock the party. Like Oh yeah. I think it might volunteered apart. You pay for stuff right so like I just wanted to. Are you comfortable every type electric. You could ever imagine idea everywhere. I made double the amount of food no matter where you are there was depths. Yeah you really flex those culinary skills because I went to culinary school and like the first year of our friendship was like. Did you ever seen you out when you get. You'd when you do it you do it do it. I mean a whole pulled pork Coleslaw. I just hung over. That was going to die but yeah it was really fun. I don't even remember the party because you didn't talk to anybody. You stood in the corner corner at that guy. We call it. You explain for the whole Party every every I sent the floor with a man for the entire Party too so it's not like I got up people to respond Instagram mm-hmm story or not even facing the TV. I'm like I'm facing six-foot-seven man. I was sitting in your bedroom on the floor of the dark. I tried to get done you every time I looked up for hours. You were just talking to one person. I mean how you knew. The party was going on. I mean look I kinda date but we talked to like there. There was a separation because like there's room has to kind of be split like one half the TV the other half the TV so there was definitely a bunch of people on the couches and then there was kind of like another side. So I I feel like I talked to that side of the room. Like I'm talked a lot to bobby and busy and Robin Allison Allison split and Merrill and things like that. I just didn't really get over to so you till my date had to leave and fully apart of the Party and I was like she's back. I was looking at some videos later in the night and I was like. Oh actually you did participate. I got drunk. It was fun. Yeah I've been hanging out this guy that's GonNa say good knowledge it you you don't well you know what I was thinking about. I do think the statement now. I do think that we owe people. I do think that we owe it to people to tell them what's going on romantic lives. I think that you guys will always find out what is going on. It may not be real time. You know what I mean like. I think that we update what's is going on. You know that there's somebody if there is somebody and then maybe you find out what's really going on when the relationship hits a certain point or it's over you know what I mean like. I think that people ask ask aside like do you feel like you owe people details about your personal life. It's like Kinda yeah like. We're welcome to not share it and you're welcome to stop listening because because that's what you're interested in you know what I mean like. I just think that I never want to be like secretive but I think at the beginning of hanging out with somebody that we like Mike. There's no need to share detail after detail. Well I think all the time about like well how would this person feel being on a show that I mean millions of people. Listen to your like how. How would you feel about being discussed in this way? Do I provide identifying details. Like if their friends listened and their coworkers like what somebody listen. That's crazy way to describe what's going on. I think we talked about it when we did that. Episode you're not the one I was saying like him and I had stopped talking weeks ago and I really wanted to like come to a place where I felt better talking about or I was like clear. I'm not mad and jealous and I felt fine and I think that it takes time to get to that place. Yeah I just think that like we think about this more and more every day like as the podcast gas grows and people want to kind of dig into our personal life a little bit more not everybody but some people just are nosy. I GET IT I. I'm not too but you know I think that the listeners ours will always know what's going on at some point. It might not just be week by week by week. Update yeah so anyway. Yeah that's all I got right now. Stay tuned yeah. Does something great or something terrible Lino but anyway this is a big. We've for me because you finally watch Taylor swift documentary and I watched last week and I really wanted to talk about it because I think it relates so much what we do and just how women feel in general and I'm time I think that the a lot of people wash it or didn't wash it and thought I don't like her. I don't care about what she has. A lot of. People have sort of a negative or neutral take on her as a person not hers artists and I watched it with an open mind and it really helped me to understand like because you do sort of like for a long time now. I don't know like where she stood politically war on anything. You're just like this is just as nice girls allies models and it really helped me to understand the psyche of somebody who achieves this level of fame. mm-hmm it's sixteen years old and like what the trajectory looks like for your life for the next fifteen years. Yeah and if of course you guys have to know by now but sorry. That sounded so judgy but you should. It's called Miss America. And it's on Netflix anyway. Taylorsville documentary just a quick synopsis of my history Taylor Swift I started loving in her music with one thousand nine thousand nine hundred. Ninety nine is my favourite album. I feel like that is I love all every album since one thousand nine in the reputation lover Like I love all three of them but before that I I liked her music but I never really listen to an album full. I liked when she switched into that harder. Hitting pop. Rb Beats I mean. Let's not forget like Kendrick was on bad blood. You know what I mean. Like she makes make she pivoted especially after the Konya. Yeah so but I just felt like as a person when I would watch her except awards and I would watch her like awkwardly dancing in the farm or at the grammies as I just felt like when I would see her. She felt disingenuous to me. And I think that's a people couldn't put their finger on but that they didn't like her. It's the same reason why people don't like hathaway you feel like something is off here and you feel like she's not being genuine and I think when you watch the documentary you realize it kind of was because she was trying to play a role because she got famous at thirteen or whatever like she started being in the spotlight and so she had to just like she. We watched her grow into who she is. I think watching her all throughout her twenties is she didn't know who she was. So I think it came across and I was like I just feel like I don't like this person. I wasn't a super hair on the Internet by any stretch but I was like I just feel like I don't really like her. I liquor music but I'm not like a big t swift fan. I've also changed over the past few years of how I felt about her when she got her political all these things but like I think you realize because she was just just trying to please everybody. Yes and I think that very much related to in terms of me and you can always always WanNa make us relatable to everybody but like she talks is a lot about how like every it's it takes a real emotional toll on you when all of your self worth professionally is derived from the validation of strangers. And that's very much for you and I do so I mean everything is based on the how people total strangers think about us and talk about us and I think all the time about the way that I say something to my friends for how I want to be perceived on this podcast. And how are you gonNA understand it and I wanna be me and you and I will never not be us but like how much us are we allowed to be ridiculous. Could be silly outside the box and I feel Like it almost like gave me permission to like be more political. You're much more political openly than I am. I just felt like you know really enforce it like we have a voice voice and I want to use it and I want to. I'm not I don't think you and I are ever worried whether people think about us but you know I think it's important to stand on one side of history and have a voice in us is Ed and if people don't like it that's fine. I think the same reason why people hate you will be the same reason that people love you. And that's okay right but also you and I started this in in our thirties. You know. I've done other stuff where I've been in the spotlight but like in any sort of like fame realm for me and you. It has been because of the podcast. And we're like well into our thirties thirties like her teens. which is like so crazy and I think that people wanted to jump down her throat for every little thing she did and why didn't people? They didn't act like that with Justin Bieber. I think people don't cut women the same slack that they cut men Lake Taylor swift and Justin Bieber the same like you compare them. In terms of the one that got famous and they're like rise defame and she's clearly much more famous in terms of carbonate with solid arenas and everything like she just is. She's like beyond say level superstar. We all know that I personally don't think she's the balance of songwriting think. She's is incredible talent like we'll legendary talent. I write it on her own songs. But like it's just people just like keep forgiving Justin Bieber and people just like I mean people want to cancel them here and there but I just feel like people wanted they just didn't allow her some of the same it never stunted our growth but like I think people let men make all these messy mistakes and live in Messier life and women. They just have them under such such a microscope and I think that documentary showed a lot of that absolutely and like all. The insecurity isn't all the decisions she was afraid to make. Also like. I feel very fortunate that you and I have reached a level all of notoriety at an age. where I'm it's GonNa feel good when people on the Internet say terrible things about me? I'm never going to enjoy it. I'm not gonNA like reading. I tunes reviews. I don't look at them. It makes it hurts my feelings but I'm glad that we're at an age. Where at least like the we have the emotional capacity to make decisions that are healthy for us and also stand by those decisions? So if I decide to like come out against the president which I'll I do every day of my life. I'm very confidence. Dani mathers decisions and there's not ten people in the room with me in you saying maybe you don't do that is a bad idea. You know one hundred percent and just bring it back. Dr J. Lo since this is the Jalen Taylor intro she. I'll post this on our story. I love this interview with her. I watched a couple of times of her realizing realizing she can't listen to critics because she was. There was a point in my life where I was on top of the world and I had a number one album number one movie number one single like all these things and everybody in there and it was like Jaylo can act while she can't saying well she the all she can do is dance you know and I realized that it was like the height of my career and everybody so when tear me down and she was like took a long time to just like stop listening to people when you and I talked about not at length on the first episode of the Year of just not listening to the critics and stuff like that but the political stuff was obviously the most first of all the stuff that just enraged me. 'cause I kinda think we laughed that often. We didn't realize how fucked up it was for that man to come on stage and take this microphone away from his teenage girl by whatever the stuff that was the most poignant to me it was that political stuff of like you realized why she wasn't able to speak out for so long they really ruin your career. It'll like dixie chicks your career and for this country singer who had the Dixie chicks held in such regard. She was through my career and then I was like how did that happen to the dixie chicks. What a different time like we all talk shit on the president now like the fact that that like did it actually Kinda ruin? Their career is crazy to me. It was such a flake flippant comment and the guys on Fox News Really. These women deserve to get smacked around. Sounds like what was it. The ninety s like it was before it was about George Bush. If you guys were talking about the Dixie just meet some flippant comments embarrass us from Texas. Yes and and then they were on the cover of everything just being panned destroyed. The thing that I think is really nice. Well today is that you and I and anybody. That's in a position of like where people listen to talk like. We can control our own narrative. There's podcast or social media. There's you to be direct access to your fans and they didn't have that true and I think that like media control their narrow Ya. It just excites me. That like you and I can have this voice and we control it and like it just inspired me to be more open and honest even more than we ever have been because I think that we are very much ourselves but I just don't want to hold back the things that I think about it and maybe that will make a couple of people not listen to us here and there but I just you know I'm proud to be able to have a voice and I took a lot from that documentary. Yeah I took a lot from her too. I really a lot of it spoke to me and I just I love it. I've always respected her as an artist. But I think you finally got to know her a little bit because I think I always was like who is this girl hall. Friends are models and I think who knows if those were even a real friends. I think like her best friend is like todd. Your call is the gay man you know what I mean. I think that she's finally realizing who she is at thirty which I think is happens a lot of people and I think it's such a beautiful thing was like a really special thing to wad. God I'm glad you said because we are going to do an episode very shortly about what we were like in our twenty years and just like short just like figuring out your life professionally your love life if your career and whatever. You're doing why we were like in our twenties and in college and things like that. It's like you guys always ask us like what would you give advice to your twenty something year old self. So that's coming soon. Stay tuned air may not be this week. Is that all we had to talk about. That does Super Bowl party Taylor swift. You've got a new man girl. I do not have initial go. They're making she does that. And Yeah we got your pet episode guys you know. We tried to do a long time ago with Andrew Collin and it went off the rail so we are here. Really do it at this time. Really doing it. Okay well we we are really excited. We have a couple today in the house studio with us in doing so. I'm introduce them then. They're going to introduce themselves. We Have Ritchie writing. He's a comedian towards the Cat Williams Williams. Maybe you've heard of him We also have his girlfriend. Dr Lisa Lipman. She is a celebrity at veterinarian. And obviously talking about pets today. She is the veterinarian to the town of Instagram influencers. The daily show Mariah Carey which we and doing in New York City. So please as welcome to the House G. O.. As in do Richie and Lisa thanks. I forgot to mention it together. You guys have a great podcast called. We don't deserve dogs. The WE'RE GONNA title Ashley's been on it and we're talking about a little Ashley name as least like hey girl. Yeah you have a real yeah a rebrand exactly and I was like I'm here for it. Actually we were thinking of doing a rebrand anyway and then you're just like we don't deserve dogs. It just came. It was like magic and it's been magic ever since so. Yeah can't thank. You guys is enough. Yeah have you guys. We've been trying to do a pet episode for two years. Colin came on to do it with us because Walker. We talk about pets so if you if you I walked lose your dog. y'All are familiar. We early on. I wanted to do Kosovo because there's a lot of relationship topics Taibbi so we were like Andrew Colin. He'll be funny rain and didn't know him. He was a friend of mine from comedy and we had them come on. He was like you know. I don't really know anything about. Yeah and so this episode. We talked about a cat dying on the pet episode off the rails it was hysterical episode. But ever since I've been trying to convince rain and the do this because she doesn't care she's awesome a pet so nothing but I have dated guys with pads which I think like a lot of people have and like we'll talk about like if your partner like prioritizes an animal over you. Oh Yeah Dogs. Plenty of those have watched you talk like. You're the same height as a dog like like I know she cares. I think once we get her her little shed free travel wight right because you weren't a dog artor dog right. You're started on because you weren't a dog person right until you had delayed Shoda exactly I was like I don't even like yeah. Yeah exactly I mean. It's like having children Soom. I would like my own but I'm and then do walls or the windows. Yes if you want some people. DM's games every once in a while it. Can you please do a full episode on Dewey. We're not GONNA do that but there is one on though goalless and Oh yes that's right. Yes this but we want to hear about your relationship. I want to hear Reggie's and of being coerced into this relationship. I WanNa hear about the cat show and I want to hear about all these things I ah should. We like the separate into two separate room so he can get his in her eyes talking. We are a weary tinder. Fail Vale. Right here okay. Yeah we tell you what you're what you seem like you're together like as a couple super. That's what he means like tenders for like it was for like hooking up and stuff fail. Yeah we were trying to smash but we are five and a half years later so I was just GONNA ask over five years so crazy seven months to commit to hear about the Smashing a Lisa was actually the first person that I matched with on tinder. Ever Been Your last not it but it'd be in different rooms. Oh episode this story of how we really got together. Other fish is special so well okay. I do say all the time that the reason that we lasted was because it we got to know each other first before hooking up by accident because she was in the middle of like her hell two weeks of an internship so we didn't meet up until Oh like it was like two weeks of phone game and we both had pretty strong phone game so I kind of knew it was on By the time that we By the time we actually met up and and she immediately as soon as we sat down for drinks through her drink on my lap just pulled some dirtbags. Shit Oh my God look at you. You're all wit just right on right on the crunch date one. Oh my goodness I on his hands throw him just knocked she set it up real subtle but she wants me man and let's that's after the fact that he's sober eleven years so at the time I was sober for like six years and she figured it out because I would always steer dates I dates because they're achieve and you don't have to confront not drinking towards coffee dates and I said she's like you don't drink to try to hide it a little bit. I uh I mean I wouldn't not high on your bio. I found it on his property talking. Yeah I didn't put it like out there. I know it's I remember the conversation so you said you don't drink do you. And he said well. That's usually an awkward conversation where you drink your wine and I bought blow bubbles and in my chocolate milk. Yeah so that was but so I was like I'm not going to drink like and he was like don't make it awkward. Just get a drink. It's fine and I was like great because I don't know how to do a date like sewer so fan I got yeah right. It's it's really weird. So so I scouring Isabel Llamas up and dating sober is a whole different thing. Like I can't tell you realize as we talked about this. I can't tell you how many girls showed up. But we would meet up up and they're already slurring. Their words hammered. Like it's like so this is great. So He's yeah alcoholic like drink all over him so I felt it was like one of those couches that had like the divots in them so they were just like pulling up a little bit of drank it was a it was a CALICO alcohol. You've been sober account. Pass out in your mouth after the day. Oh my gosh okay. So then we go back to my place where we dried those pants off. UH-HUH I have no palms if you listen to our podcast. Also I have no qualms about I was definitely not. He was definitely not my first my last date on tinder I loved dating. I would like two or three days in a day I would. She went on another date after we met a boy that dating that day after you wrung out your pants shirt bhave travel. I think they did. Did she found the end of tinder. In fucking Manhattan. She would she. Would Swipe wipe so much comeback in an hour outed. Do Crazy Man Melian. You ran through a mall. Let's say like you've reached the end like you have to our our Montana. Maybe like what makes me feel special. I know that she didn't settle on me like she went through. All the Knicks in Manhattan. Not It's really interesting way to look like talk about. Should you ever tire slept way. Throwing people you date and like if you're with somebody who's like a ton of people it's sort of like it's sort of the gratifying shopped around to every night. He really know what they why nothing worked out. And they're like fine right. The one they settled for I. I'm not self conscious. I'm not self conscious about it. And like I mean just listened to my comedy. You're going to hear a lot of stories about about like you know a pass before you pass hookups and stuff. So like fair is fair but I did. There was definitely moments that I wanted to like. Talk to the doorman like Subroto sure. The Doorman knows all doormen. No I keep up with guy the other night I walk in the door. My Doorman looks to me. and Goes Ma'am can I help. You didn't know who I was because I never get home. That late clock in the morning I never go home and I don't know the middle of the night guy walked in with with a do they look at me and my big apartment doorman building and the guy was like you. Don't want your ugly. Well we are GonNa take a really quick break to talk talk about some of our partners for this episode and then we will get right back into it with Richie and Lisa's relationship story so first off I am telling you is about hellofresh rush. We've teamed up with hellofresh go to hellofresh DOT COM SLASH G G ten and use Code G. G. 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E. and that's all I got back to Ritchie and Lisa. All right So you guys were not official for a long time. Now we're still waiting other people. Also I will say that. Yes we should definitely get back to that but also also on the tinder profile behind this hot babe it was like. Is that a Rhodesian ridgeback and I saw Khloe on the on the tender proof. You've got it and I've always wanted to Rhodesian ridgeback. And and then I will say that he was quite intimidating trying to dry out my pants with a seventy five pound dog. Try to get those pants wet again if right. Yeah so you went back to your place where chloe lives. Yeah why why was it a studio at the time. Four Hundred Square foot studio very interested in what was going on. Very how are you five one and a half fun now warm day and you have like a dog that bag. Yeah Love Sosa mess around when it comes to the dogs so hooked up night one and yet at least next day we each other for Jewish G.. I like that you guys really talking on the phone people. That's pretty rare these days that you meet someone on an APP and then it's been two weeks talking on the phone with them. That's not or shaping is happening. That much phone game is way stronger than my in person. Yeah he call right away. I thought that was. I liked that. And Kid's story we were talking about the the alchemist lot right and when we first he said. I'll never read the alchemist. He was like bringing the book. You bring brought me. The buccaneers like open the cover and inside of it was a little sticky note that said I want the ship back. It's pretty funny and then that's that's not how it ended at all. It was not it from there is seven months of like okay so we were in a Nada relationship okay. We had the conversation not a relationship relationship seven months later. But also I think that in undefined. Not a relationship. There's two different board many different interpretations reputations of that right and we had different ones. Okay this is what I really want. This is the uncomfortable party so I fell justified in being being the cut in the kind of not a relationship that I was running because Lisa was at the gym one day. And it's an old phone still worked and it just started buzzing off the hook and it was like other dudes that she was still texting with so I saw all of her game going down well. I'm perfectly justified right. That might have been true. How much over you seven months are you like seeing each other talking? Thanks Liberty what we were talking daily diary taxing talking to you. I mean we're together three nights a week. Oh okay I I can commit but also also keep in mind alcoholics addicts overdo. Everything so I was is in overdoing it mode at the time but but also like I said she was talking to other dudes and and also hilariously open about tinder. We were on a date like a month in and she dislikes stopped in her tracks walking. She like surreptitiously checked her phone. And and then she's like you got to see this and she shows me a message from some guy on tinder that after we we were crossing your streets message anyway. It's good message and the message I contact from this fucking maniac all it said was but stuff or nat dated crazy APP but severna guys my a hero really use the APP but like look at this. This is funny like it wasn't like Oh like still lingered do and if you were to go out with a guy like what had a bothered you like absolutely and talk about it. Don't ask don't tell right but I knew like I knew he was dating other girls so the way that the relationship actually happened was just the couch. So I've been dying for this whole so richie was on tour with Williams and like doing like fancy this whole time. I thought you matt like an actual feline cat. Like I can't have million. Oh I did. Oh Oh this is William show together. I thought I oh I thought there was an actual cat Westminster for own my God. I edited cat like a prize. No tour with soya was introduction. You think participating in a feline pageant of some sort I. This is the Westminster catch show. I was doing color. Commentary on over over and catch would also talk about a cat dead. Okay so William William Show. I don't care now. What the prizes were in an actual cat show show? I don't care about that. I wanted to hear about. Yeah comedy show. A twelve thousand people met at a comedy show like everybody else okay. We'll make it quick. So yes yes so basically. What have you to shows like? I was on this tour yet officially and it was like the second year that I would I would wind up touring with them. There's one in Brooklyn and one in Atlantic City and and Lisa came to the one in Brooklyn and she got got pretty drunk with Matt Richards and that night he pulls me aside. He's like y'all man. She told me not to tell you and she loves you young drunk. I'm not the same person years ago years ago. So yes so she us. What's your your boy was like? Do Guess what either bad news dude You don't want to sit down for this dope worse gloves you to. It's so funny. Yeah so that show was at that point the the Brooklyn show was the best show ever had in my life is crazy barklay. Yeah it wasn't a small player. Three people three people bombed in a row and I have a lot of experience in bad black shows and knew how to turn it around and turn it around your Hillary incredible. You don't you don't look at you and think that you crush with a black audience but it's really impressive. So I just have to give you props thank you so at any rate so that information hits me. I think it's Saturday and then when Sunday there's another show planned in city I may have been in a relationship with someone else also. What No? Yeah he added her. How not dating your other girlfriend and I also knew about her I did? I actually knew about correct. Okay all though more of a Mexican stand-off other. We have been been watching sister wives and I have to say look like a really bad set talent and all kinds of I can just tell. Okay stuff yes I can tell your friend there. Penetrate impression of a dog Fart. If anybody wants to hear Richie Richie just cheap. They're all silent. They're all silent so I knew about her because I was like watching his page and she so he had already invited her art. Yeah I knew what was happening and I was like. How much do I care here like? What's happening what do I WANNA stop? What I'm doing my decided? I loved him when I was drawn. Gadot Williams show twenty show. Don't just a cat show. How John? How long did the other girl but in the picture a couple two three months thing is she lived in Philadelphia Star always knew when he went and what was happening and when he had the Atlantic city show? I know he invited her. It was probably like a while ago before we a little more serious And he avenue. Yeah I I knew probably just recently. Yeah I knew she was like tacking you in Philly absolutely. Of course yeah. She probably likes her instagram. She she she tagged she tagged and then she tagged him at the show. Like thanks for Reggie Reading for like Vassilis for cash. Whenever I saw the picture hit that night that picture was her with cat like backstage clearly so so I but he came back to me that night? He didn't stay in Atlantic City. Yeah stay with her so he invited her to the show realized that he he loved me more and came actually left the show and came to me so I like this like not probably not much more exciting was going on but he. You still don't say anything. I wasn't really ready and then like a week later. I went into next day the next day. I just decided I was mad about it and I don't WanNa do it anymore so I basically went him and I was like well. Are you dating Jennifer Abbott. And he was and he didn't choose discredit he was like yes and I was like. I don't WanNa do this anymore. I'm done and I walked out and it was then so timing. The timing timing of it was like comical that I had basically like that thing had run its course and I realized I had feelings release and all that stuff but then the post. It's to give me a note that said do you WanNa be my girlfriend really. Yes or no I. I had a sixth grade. Note all set up for so so like she takes off. I gotta like run after. She's just like fuck you buy. And then it was a full day of no contact and like it just turned into a full on like John used movie and she was the balls deep in a bottle of Zanex so I I realized it was like fuck like I mean. I'm not gonNA tell her. I love her too so I had my room. It was snowing out and I had my roommate. Take a picture of me holding the Bose those mini speaker over my head out in the snow high fidelity no Say anything anything anything where. Yeah so I mean meam Lisa take me back at she. She doesn't get back to me for like another thirty six hours. Wow all it said said was you know. She didn't take them back after that in the movie like I did not realize that cloture dude and meanwhile I mean I really didn't have a right to be like super angry. I just decided cited I was done and I I enjoy like furious. Weren't take a very quick break and I have to tell you something about about this story. We also dating him awkward. Name was Ashley. She a little bit taller than there. May Be right back. Okay I'm telling you is about quip. Quip makers of the electric toothbrush wants you to know that one single discovery. That matters Adar's most for your dental care is simply this that if you have good habits you are good so rain and I are both obsessed with our teeth and dental care. 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Is that now here on the story about my parents is that my mom was dating my dad and was falling in love with him. Didn't I didn't realize or didn't think that they were dating other people. My mom was like such a smoke like she. At the beginning of data my dad she was dating other people and then I think she was like I am falling for this guy and the all the other guys kind of fell by the wayside and the stories that she really getting ready. That was like Friday night and my dad was like in the shower and she would be like. Hey what do you WanNa do this weekend. You know and he was like Ah. I gotTa go to Connecticut. And my mom's like what and it was because he had to break up with his girlfriend up there so he had a girlfriend to and then he realized what time for my mom and I had to go basically break it off with this other girlfriends. The thing about your story that I feel so funny is that it's so typical men and women that like least got to this breaking point because of this information at the exact same time that you realize you wanted to commit to are the same night she was like I'm fucking dying and yeah you're like I want to be with the same catch. Yeah Yeah Yeah Absolutely Yeah Shame Feline pageant. Shower just reminded me of the time of it. I told her that I loved you by accident. Happened like two months runs into the relationship that we were you know. Well we weren't no. We released shout the bottle of Wine Island. I know and I don't do that okay. Hi do due. Listen it's very real. I told the guy that I was living with that I loved him. I told him in the middle of sex. I love it I said I love you. I did it again with a guy this fall I they. They just kept talking me so thank you both of them for ever say anything. 'cause I die bitch man. Girls don't handle that MS true I was GonNa say it's kind of like how I adore that she cries at everything. I love it right. Anybody who love it good nothing also so to get back to my hair and ice like oh I love you and it was a total accident. He was just like explodes around like awkward but so he made it funny and awkward and I was like you know what I meant like whatever but we re look that slipped out or did you realize how now I think I was just like all of you. Thank you for doing like she also told me like a month before I remember it anyway so yeah of course you don't remember your blackout but so I love this she's like a blackout drunk. And you're sober. And it's not she liked doesn't really early drain it's rarity was harsher date. It was hard to go on a date so but right yeah. It's hard to date sewer. I mean I can't even imagine it I really obviously. It wasn't problem property at any rate to get back to our narrative so we thirty six hours and then she finally gets back to me and says I canelo starts the dialogue back again and it was like all right. Well we need to talk. Let's let's let's go on a date and she showed up state at least three Zanex on board to the wind. You anything fucking thank you do anymore gone. I mean I feel like I've I'm so much younger than I can't even fathom doing that stuff now but yes okay so we wind up. It was like well. I only you WanNa be with you. I only want you. So we did Mutual destruction same time. We both pulled up tender and we put our phones on the table and like instead the honeymoon thing where you like give each other. The champagne is like three to one. Boom tenders gone. Because this was I mean that was pretty much the only happened and at that point we tell people we met on craigslist we once he won many asked how and he taught me to say the abortion clinic and without missing a beat though. Jim goes well at least now. You both don't want kids like on the comment like no talks about fucking transvestite. I I exactly. I just knew that that would be up his alley Mississippi it so yeah so yeah so. That's our words story. I love the end and this show our show kind of came about because like she quickly was becoming the vet to all my comic friends ends and I mean you know half most comics are broke so it'd be like hey. Can I talk to Lisa. Just like trying to figure out what they needed to do. But it was a lot of stuff like Alex was dog sitting for somebody. He's like so if there was like five. We'd gummy bears. When I left the House I can only find one of them now? An eight pound yorkie killed the dog. What what should I do and now ladies if you're listening to answer that question is always take the other? gummy bear ride it out name. Same Level with your time when you were dating because I mean I can obviously ask this but I feel like as a woman to woman. Unlike if you're falling for this guy was spending three nights together or whatever you're like what was it like to know that he was dating people like touted. You could did you reconcile it in your head. 'cause you were just like I'm I'm doing it too exactly. Yeah I think so because I think I was just and I didn't think he was dating that many people or maybe it was interesting. I think it was her and that was it and I kind of knew he would like it was so rare like when he went to Philly that like and then I would just make a date so yeah probably more because it was me too and I wasn't ready to come. I just think it's so hard to compartmentalize like when I really like somebody. I can't like anybody else I don't know but a theory is different. I think I just did it anyway. I don't I don't know what was the narrative the head though where you like. I'm not in a rush to put a label on this like it happens it happens. Yeah or I'm not in a rush to like commit. I was so busy with work also and stuff often. Yeah I just kind of like let the universe decide. I kind of just like Kosovo some at some point. Something has to happen right like I don't feel like people people. The women put a lot of pressure on themselves to make a decision. Like you have to make a decision making decision but I feel like often the decision just gets made for you. You know it's like the Chinese proverb like You can make all the plans you want and God laughs because because Chinese because I was ever go like it sounds like he. Was this show up like you guys go see me responding to my tax. That's the thing like at Ben. I knew I knew that. When he was with her like most of the time he would just just come home to me? If you WANNA hear the real sappy ship it's that when I was with other girls I was thinking about Lisa. Yeah I think a lot of you'll go through nominating waiting there. We also went through a really tough as when he was on tour with cat and girls would like send him naked pictures and like that was hard like that was a whole different different level of girls like throwing themselves at him and staff and like the backstage. I didn't go to all the tours and all that stuff we went through we went through a period. Where like I cared? Maybe too much and now we've got to better now. We've we've found a much better place but it went from like I'm very extreme. I'm obviously like very extreme runs. Sounds pretty hot and cold. Look just like me. I'm very very extreme. Deal with that. I mean that wasn't a topic we really prepared to discuss. But I feel like we haven't had anybody talked about it. I'd love to that. What what do you do leave me alone respond to new stage and you have a bunch of DMZ you screen shop them at least for like a folder That was a thing that I had to like. Learn how to not engage like I I I like I talked to some guys that are in essay and stuff and I actually like Stevo is a great person to talk about that with that and he said it's called intriguing when like you're not you're not actually going to do anything but you engage and like the like yeah I mean do do you mean okay. It's like not that he's not. I mean he's addict so anything's possible. But I I just WANNA clarify but yeah I talked to some people just kind of learned that language and stuff like attention is kind of like the the initial schol addiction of comics. Probably right like I want attention and then when it turns the lake sexual attention is like. I'm winning winning more now. Winning the US like it just feels like winning all the time I'm and like but but to be able to cut that off and to make boundaries and stuff like yeah with Lisa was the first time that I actually made those boundaries because realize is that with through I would walk out well well through some not calm speech that it very much bothered her right right so like yeah. I actually blocked chicks and all that do you feel against your son. NATHEN fulfilling enough to know that like you could do it. People find you attractive other women. Nyu and then you get to go home to somebody that loves you like you feel like that's like enough. Yeah I don't need. I don't need that other part of it. Sure her but the other thing is with him being sober. It's about being sober you. You're sick as your secrets. So like I know that and he lives by that and he has several sponsors sponsors that he sponsors like he's very involved in like that way of life on edible unanimity. They mentioned it's this anonymous program for that you never identified as being part of it at a press or radio level. Oh totally perfect traditions. Maybe yeah maybe. It's the eleventh tradition. So here's actually a thing that I I was like freakishly small as a kid and I was seventy eight pounds my freshman year in high school I graduated hundred challenging. Sounds Coxswain for the crew team like I was I was professionally very small. Yeah and and and in college also since I was I was one hundred twenty pounds when I graduated from college. So that doesn't translate into a guy that gets a lot of PUSS. Yeah and then when I start doing comedy it's like you get all this attention and stuff like that and like I wound up so my my old roommate Guy Johnny Miller who's great musician and he like there is when I said that attracted more crazy sober. It was when I was living with him and it was this like watershed moment. That should have been such a natural thing that he was like. Hey man you know you don't have to hook up with every girl that wants to hook up with you and it's like Oh yeah wow so many years you couldn't write which is planned in your psyche or like they suddenly want the day. Yeah I mean it wasn't like I wasn't going hogging or anything but it was like a largely. You're right you're younger. You're like I do have to. Yeah and it was this thing blake like I can't believe I didn't realize that before but I consider myself a pretty smart person a AAC but like there's things like to tell jokes the University of Pennsylvania in Maryland and. I think this is really good for anybody that dates another person who just travels a lot in general leg out of you trust them. How do you try? They're not GonNa do you trust yourself to not do those things. Gotcha traveling. You're on stage. You know trying to make an even bigger broader like so many people date people that they just. They can't control who slides in and who they meet and they're on the road and yeah. I just totally stopped caring. Don't think about it anymore. Yeah I went from like that level of like what the hell did I get myself into like. Do I wanna live this life like like do I want you know. It's also like I'm alone on the couch. Most nights with the dog like it's not it's a different lifestyle for sure but and then from from a point of doing all that and then being like Oh you know like I don't care I trust him and I'm comfortable on the couch and I just I don't even think about it anymore. It's not Kerley that's right and I and I just don't think about you know what also the other thing that helped me also was that I got much busier like my business started to take off and I started to do my own thing and because we met were like I had just graduated in my like crazy internship and I was like finding my way and now I've built this business and I've started my own things and found my own niche and so yeah so i. I think that helped me immensely. I was so busy thinking about myself and worrying about myself that I stopped but also a good of any set that I'm GonNa do is probably about you at this point. Yeah which a lot of girls actually have a problem. I think there's a difference if the jokes appear to be at your expense writer Jerry Xiaoyu value and rain and I mean clearly not going to say any names. I know some comics and the jokes that they tell about their girlfriend. I would not comic and I don't take myself seriously with this line line of like. Yeah you love and respect your partner and she's just fodder for jokes. Some women are fine with it but I'm just not one of them so my my partner partner was comic. He could talk about all day but I think we probably have to get into a groove where I kind of knew what jokes are coming and what he's working on. That's what you're talking about when you are two communes anyways you work your shit out but like I dated a comic Mike for a long time and like the jokes were always about me but more lifted me up at my expense right. There's a real different. Oh and we've done some that. We are yeah fringing and like the guy's girlfriend the room where like damn she joe ave roles. I don't WanNa hear that either Polish jokes. I will tell people that are ninety ninety eight percent true and so but there are what I don't like I've seen a lot of comics and married. Comex pick out girls in the crowd and be like Oh. You are so high like that that I would not fly Richie. That's not his style. More not as dial and he is very very good about his jokes about me and some some of his jokes about his acts. But like that doesn't bother me at all. I don't really care. It's yeah I miss some of that. You just have to like make other thoughts and I can appreciate that but some girls are like I wouldn't want to be talked about at all on stage talking about me. I don't Oh care like I know right. I know what I signed up for just backing up. I think the your advice was so great. When you're like in this house gave of like I don't trust the person you can't stop thinking about it because it will become all consuming the only oh I think I will think about it? I will be like checking Geo tags while you're at that evening if you're in the back of photos later guys don't even Chiyo tags are okay. Well I will do a huge major jobs so busy that helped you probably get some perspective on all so crazy about scientist. I learned that still to this day. Like if I find myself stressing about something with a guy or whatever it is then all of a sudden rain and I get crazy busy and I'm like I thought about that. Yeah everything but we. We have downtime to you. Know the enemy of like that at home in a couch nothing to do like figure something out to occupy your brain. Well it's also one of the things like the fear versus the reality cerdic stories in your head that are happening. I was yeah just anybody when somebody is spun out thinking about. What might somebody else might be doing right now? You've so far off base like you wake up and you're like I can't believe that wasn't even that's reality all right around the village for our our melancholy can't get out of my head. Call my dad call. You call people like if I have. Nothing to do just spiraled so badly I feel like this neighborhood is a good place to see street breakup though I'll tell people rely on a skip show love watching break-up Love Donny. Guest just skipping the record. Yeah I mean I feel like whenever you see a street break-up the breaky is crazy the person getting broken up with yeah because the breaker occur once witnesses okay. That's fair thank somebody might set it off of loving so much hearing about your guys. This is relationship. I WanNa make sure we let you finish your whole spiel about like. Was it just that guy that was the catalyst to be like. I don't have to hook up with anybody. Well no it was. I was creating chaos in my own life by making bad choices. Like if I've wrong about a lot of things but one thing I've never been wrong about is when I got into some kind of situation with a girl and I said to myself this is going to end crazy easy. One hundred percent of the time it ended crazy like just the gut instinct like I had to get a restraining order against the girl. At one point. Yeah literally to borderline personality. It was pretty good. Actually my mom actually asked me once like what. What is your mom as you know? She talks in college. Yeah Yeah Yeah it is. That's just Kinda WanNa see brake in watch you guys talk to watch square referred to her mom. It was at Passover. She wanted to make sure I was circumcised before we passed the Holla tweeted are circumcision. Passover so confused honey. It's a whole thing But yeah so I was like I was I was creating chaos in my life and like it was like I was. I was like nick with with girls and I wasn't connected to in any real way as just like juggling for the sake of juggling and it was just like this is so fucking going on fun. Yeah and so it was almost like it's I know it's kind of weird talking about it with easier but it was like I almost had to learn. Learned the lesson with that like I did with everything else that it's like I smoked until I couldn't breathe. I dragged into. I drank until I couldn't remember anything coke until my nose is bleeding all the time and I had casual sex until it was just gross. Yeah but he is fully tested in case you guys everything about me. I'm just fucking girl. Watch the comedian. Talk about a girlfriend is dead and this does slides into do is fuck all of them. ooh Oh my roosevelt like knowing that this person has a partner and you still go in there anyway like a fuck you all faddish haddish. The girls are like it doesn't matter how much I'm going to super more attractive to them. It's a promise guys that if I get a d. m. from somebody Eh. From this episode we will blow that spot up benches D. N. bridget. We're putting your handle all five accounts we own. Follow me. Thank you thank you. Thank you so much for sharing all the details of your relationship. I'm fascinated. I love this. We're never talked about cats. That's ever on okay. Well we can talk about pets. Talk about how you started the podcasts. Maybe that'll be like a good segue. And then we can talk about like one to get a pet with your partner how to share a pat when you break people. The prioritize or pokes said it started because we were getting fielding so many calls from comics and so the thing that's particularly funny about the show is that people project themselves onto their pets so the personalities and stuff come out through the pets and and you like the least narcissistic interview like when you talked about Dui for forty five minutes like that you go without talking about yourself. Oh yes talk about your pets really really people in this really nice genuine space. Yeah like even people that maybe are assholes only are when they're talking about had there you think they're like a great person. You really are. Deceiving people actually actually. So you guys have. Will you close your dog but like your dad basically. Yeah Pretty Much Dad. He's a really good Doggie Dad. That's the other thing is there's a picture of her ex boyfriend holding Khloe as up but it's like tiny little puppy now but but he knew her when she was like two and now she's almost nine. Yeah she's three. I think we want to definitely go through. Some of these. Don't want to spend too long on them Because we're GONNA get through some of the main ones that people want. I mean people. People want answered but number one is like when to get together and I think that's subjective you. You know I think it's I think when you're fully committed it's not a child but still something that you would share. But so it's kind of like live your truth on that but I think that there's I think when you're very fully committed you see a future with a person like long term like if you cannot pictures of marrying somebody never got a pet with them. But we want to talk to you about steps to take basically like like pre-nuptial agreements pads so important. Because I do see a lot of couples. Did you go through this so I'd say not just to like not just web where you're at your relationship. But what if it doesn't work out. Are you willing to keep the dog on your own. You know what happens if you have a child accident or something and then like you never know like all through all of is your motto. Like I'm not going to go to work unless I can take my dog or I'm not gonNA live in a building unless I take my dog like that's your mindset has to be I think before you even got get a dog and knowing that dogs are really expensive can you world fires. Medical care is expensive. So how are you going to just make sure that all of that's covered heard but I'd say the most important piece of advice. I have for relationships which I love giving out to all the ladies out there believe guys two ladies that are good. uh-huh is make sure that your make sure your pets name is under your name so all the medical records words are actually considered legal binding documents and that is like pretty much the only thing in court that if you go through a bad break up or divorce that they will give you like the custody over. Because it's the only thing that you can show that's a legally binding document so make sure whatever you do with your pet that it's in your name your last name your first name last name guy joint custody of a of an animal like when when you buy it can both of your names beyond it hyphen. Yes so there are some medical so icy that. I really think about this all the time when I joined the air mayor is yeah when I when I when you break up joint names on records. I'm like Oh girlfriend. You shouldn't have done that. This is an it's not just the ladies. It's yeah the party he yeah. It's the first year I also think this is an I like. Make sure your names on it without your partner knowing like discuss the thing. Just don't I just think people need to be more realistic. I think there are decisions that are made in relationships that are related to property which is an animal's considering that are related to finances at aren't sexy requires sitting down and having a conversation about I love you committed to you. I WanNa get this pet with you but of course we could always break up and then what do we do and you had to decide it before he and if you WanNa do it together. Yeah yeah it's kind of like having a will or having no yeah. Anybody does that though dog. Like you're so blissful about because I think a lot of girls do get a dog as a daddy test. Okay but I like your suit. I think you're at your most optimistic point in early relationship when you get the dog. So it's I think it is so rare that anybody would be like and by the way just be understood. Who's WHO's the dog so like we have a couple? They're married now. So whatever like no issue there that I never thought they were gonNA break in the first place when Robin Alison they got poodle. Thousands Poodle it could just was like he was like sure we can get a dog. Yeah he wanted it more. It was a type of dog. She wanted it's her dog. Yeah had they not got married and had they broken up it would have been zero eero argument right but I think people fall into is they got it together somewhere along the lines. Perhaps the man made more money in his name ended up on something something or something and then the girl. It's more her dog right. And then you're fucked. Yeah well actually. I went through this so I went because I got Khloe with my ex and you would think like I'm the veterinary professional like I'm going to keep the dog like whatever but actually because I was in school so much. He really spent a lot of time with her when he when she was a puppy. And and I thought he was. We we were breaking up. I actually thought he was going to keep her. Because I thought like I would be working hundred hour workweeks at the hospital and he had put so much time. And we wound up in a situation. Where rare I actually was? He was moving around because we had just broken up and it was weird I actually kept her and then he was like okay. I'm going to take the dog now and I'm like over my dead body Ayar like I had such a crazy visceral reaction. I did not think that I would even hat. I mean as much as I imagine what your reaction so obsessed with her. It's not normal but like I don't think it got even realize that until he was like okay. I'm ready to take the dog and I'm like over my dead body you're GonNa take this dot also does so things change but I think as long as somebody committed as long as one person is committed that you know like that you're not the dog's not GonNa wind up in a shelter or having to give out for tough part right the the the very super dark side of this that I never would have thought of that. Lisa told me about is that there's there's like husbands or wives. Whatever really really ugly break-up will try to get a dog euthanized? So many awful stories like that for sure hurt the person. Yeah and then. Can you imagine like the veterinarian and that poor situation where like I mean how do we know how do I know who the real owner is. Somebody brings a dog says this is my dog. We don't ask for like prove is the and then they will euthanize the pat and just and we get like a phone call our lease. This is my this was my dog like he like my action taking my dog. You shouldn't have been with him like none of that should have happened. Hamill super fucked up. Are you like legally on the hook for this ago now sued this is I mean. He's allowed I I mean how do we know like the thing is yeah. There's no way to know that the one thing I'll say is that we wouldn't. I think most vetinarians will. Oh not like. I won't do a convenience euthanasia right like if somebody brings me a perfectly healthy animal. And they're like I was in a break-up I just want to euthanize his dog. Yeah exactly. Ah Yeah person the one. Yeah and I've said no I've had people come to me and ask very ridiculous things and I've I've had to say no like yeah. It's really crazy easy. But there are situations where they're like old animals that are sick and like actually look ill and the partner doesn't want to take it anymore but the other partner really wants it or like yeah It's really really upsetting really crazy. It's rare but I. It definitely happens. I think at the end of the day the For women listening if you are you want this dog with your partner. Make sure your name is on everything. And if they're fighting you were it. Yeah the conversation needs to be had so it's simple and it's easy and it's yeah. Hey we're getting this dog together whether you're the woman you're the one that like taking control of your shelters hopefully adopt on shop or whatever you're doing if you're buying it whatever not don't want this a guy pay for it unless you want him to have the rights for it. Because I think the questions we've got the most were that muddy waters of like. Yeah but it was. I wanted the dog but he paid paid for the thing so his name's unlike the receipt like it's it's just like if you can't afford make sure your names on more on what you shouldn't be doing this this anyway because you can't afford the dog on your own in the first place but I just think that's it is the answer. I think you know we told a girl. This is. One of those heartbreaking stories. We we had early on about this and the guy took the dog and he got his dad involved and they bullied her and it was really. Yeah so saddened to me. I was like I think that you just need to get a new dog like there's so many dogs that need homes like yeah. This is a stress in your life. This families Never GonNa leave you alone there bullying you. This guy smothers others involved like it's not worth your time when so many other animals need home. Yeah so if he can take care of the dog. He's on abusing the dog. Let him have the dog and got a new dog tied to all these memories like I think when people also break up and then the dog. They're still doing like co-parenting. It's not just leave it because so many other dogs need home but if you can nine that's beautiful but I think that like you can't use an animal as a way to tether you to another person indefinitely it's not fair it's not fair to you emotionally or them. Stop there the animal to have live. Eddie right yeah sexy conversation. I've just like a prenup. It's not a sexy conversation to have but like I say all the time like just have have the conversation. It's not fun or sexy and I think that like say what's when somebody owes you money at the end of a relationship walking away from that you have to walk away from a PAT sometimes too. Because he's like why. Be tethered to this person forever right you know. That's not fair. No it's not fair and just like you said it's not fair to the animal so I wonder how they feel when because usually animals will imprint on on one person like you are do. He's person like that's an and the reaction and the reaction that I've seen pets have people is on freaking believable. I'm telling you we we have like Cujo is in the hospital. And they're animal owner will come in and they're like licking their face like Iras. No question one of the things I've learned the most. There's no question your animal knows who you are and loves you and and really has imprinted on you and the back and forth is. It's really hard. It's really really hard. I guess it's better than giving them away but it's I think it's it's not. They're not kids. I think this isn't that do we like would miss my act because that was his dad. Data no I don't think you were a male influence to ask. You is because I'm a single mother but like yeah. I'm sure if you saw him he would be excited but this isn't that that they need to ever see again now. We'll get caught up in this like they think of dogs as humans and they're like but the dog must miss the other partner. It's like they're far. Yeah no they have you though. I mean if you're you. They have their main person. You don't Dan visitation fucking crazy. I Agree I. The more cleaner break-up can be the better absolutely. I mean I've never. I've had like two tremendously bad breakup. But the biggest gift of those breakup is that like they were so terrible. I never the person again and that for me was the healthiest one. As opposed to like break up. I had where we just like slept with each other and with each other for years. After the break-up right I think it's just it's better. Why have this thing is why you don't shit where you eat? I've really only in the bathroom. Actually Yeah we want to talk about. We're GONNA talk about sex and cock blocking towards the end we're GonNa do a whole segment with it so we'll get into that but I wanNA talk about this in general general just the prioritizing of the pet over the person's partner like you know how much I love dearly but he is still an animal and if he was affecting my romantic frantic relationship. I'd be like do we go sleep in your bed. We'd a woman wrote on her facebook page that this guy has his pit bull. Witcher uproariously very cuddly animals. That tipple is to be there all the time. They can't ever the pit bulls to sit between them. I don't know why I keep seeing the breathe dog. I love it but the dog has to be between them and the couch when they're Netflix. August to be in the bed all the time like right which I find odd but I also think Richie can speak on it because I know he talks about what happens when you are. How much of the dog but also also though I am realistic your relationship does have to have a place and so as much as I love the dog when I first when we first started like really cohabitating I talked to sleep in her own bed because I mean he says it's like it's like having a dude in the bed? She's a seventy five pound dog and we have a queens is bad. It's New York City. It's so small and and I got her like a canopy that I knew she is be as comfortable impossible. We still struggle. Sometimes she's still comes into bed. It's like a thing but but I but I tried right because I I do think that yeah. Even though you're human well some of it was training Khloe someone who was training Lisa that we have a role of Richie gives kisses. I I wanted you. I know you've had this at least as the only person that Khloe jumps up on and she is five foot one and a half on a warm day. Also no I mean Khloe uh so like the second she comes to the door Khloe will just jump on her and start licking your face. And I'm like Yep we're not kissing now so but so it's a rule. I walk in and I say Kiss I the Dog Richie so find you that I wanted to but I wanna if you have any advice for the girl that's dealing with us where she's she's like. I'm dating this guy. And he's obsessed with his dog and I feel like I can't even get. Yeah so like I'll give you a scenario data this guy in college and he was unhealthily healthily obsessed with the dog I mean you know what I'm saying. Honey on the he was like all day long photos all day long. The dog which is fine. It's a Cuban. It's I get it and it's like every conversation involve the dog. Everything we did was formed by what the dog dog needed going home to see the dog he left it washes fuck which we'll talk about which I hate. 'cause I like data this guy recently with two dogs and we would have sex in the bedroom. Need shut the door. Like I don't want to tiny little dogs Walla fucking hot each other for company but like yeah I just start start fucking while you find yourself in this inter-species organ this is what does all of a sudden two boys this. I hate eight. This podcast real. Don't you gay shame a dog what what did they pray it away the church after that. That's definitely a deal breaker. If you're hooking up for the first time you look over and to do dude dogs or what fucking joy it. I think it's really funny. Also missionary training dogs. Let's they talk. That's what they call them. Like Diet. Coke whispered okay. Predisposed disposed to not enjoying people that want to be talk about dogs anyways all the time and I've never had a dog and I don't care I don't WanNa talk about it all. I don't expect that she's my dog. My responsibility in Eh. I I was like I walked her. I did everything. I don't expect anybody else today but I think for me like there was. There's no nice normal way to say to a person especially early on a relationship like this is stupid ed annoying because then you're just like a horrible person so I mean for me. He just wasn't my person like there was no like constructive way to discuss that with a person. Even that would have been annoying going for me though like you. Don't force yourself you don't force your dog child really like you. Don't send pictures and be like. Yeah this is my whole life. That's a scenario of like you can't sit next to each other with our dog in between you know but when a hard line nobody loves dogs from the most of them they're not all created equal but like I love dogs so much and I love nothing more than to cuddle do we. We know we crazy personal crying. The street it when I started I love dogs. I can't can't stress enough. Do His love of my life. I don't get it but if I was dating a guy like that I don't know what I would do so I don't have any advice like I don't know literally I feel like I have advice for most scenarios and I don't what I would do because it is this crazy bond that some may have with their dog and like I don't Wanna be on the couch with you. Netflix seen right with the dog in between. I don't WanNa do it and I guess I would have to. I just don't even know what to say. They're going to get offended and how they do it right. I mean making love their dog and like make that obvious but also like you have to be a priority and also if they're sending you pictures all day long of their dog like who cares like borough every day your job so talking dog Ohio. I get some costumes you I fully agree with you like I would not. I WanNa see that all day. I don't want to see somebody else's all day long like also I do for work but like I don't I don't know like it's holding their. What's the answer to the specific about? How do you how do you like how I mean? I think it's like it's the same answer for other massive character defects. Is that like you're getting into a relationship with this person. Not The person that you want them to be. So don't assume that if this thing is a big deal in the first two weeks that it's just going to go away you know like if somebody works a hundred hours a week one hundred hours a week if you can't deal with that in a relationship you can't deal I don't get into it having hard convert. Don't be afraid to have that conversation. Don't be afraid to be like he said like I need to get a kiss. I and I was like okay. That's easy enough for me. It's not like I can't kiss my dog in act. I'm just GonNa Christopher so the dogs lauber is not over my face. I Yeah I can kiss my dog. Maybe it's an actionable thing and not yet and I think rod thing and I think it's a good litmus test for this person I think I love it you said it. I think maybe you could say I. I love like I really like you. I like being close with you. I like being physical with you like I love the dog but is there any way we can get the dog a really nice bed or is there anything that I think you start. Obviously I always like. Is there anything I can do to kind of make it so we have a little more time to be affectionate. Just the two of us. I love your dog. I can't stress it enough. I I think you tiptoe around it. Use Aymen's stress. How much you're just trying to get closer to them and there's a limb out and they're like because you do that? Yeah maybe Buron. Yeah right exactly the thing at certain point like you do ron dog's going to be. I talked over you forever for sure because I think it's not normal for somebody to send you. Doug pictures all day long like it's not normal especially when he knows that you're not a dog person like I think you would have if your relationship would have been stronger and you would have been together like you would probably would've come around to being more of a dog person and taking that on your own but when somebody tries to force it on you right you're blowing my low on caring about the cute. I think your your voice is so perfect though in framing I want to be more intimate with you. I want to figure out ways that we can make this better and like super early on that. It's probably not GonNa Change Right. I think that's also like a healthy way to look any defect in a relationship. Yeah another thing I want to talk about. We got this in the facebook group is well and most of the people actually. We gave her wonderful advice but it was. It was his dog. The guy's dogs she was dating and they basically got in a fight and he threw out in in the fight. Like you never even helped by the food for the dog. She was like. Hey I love the dog. I walked the dog contribute. I I treated as my own but I shouldn't have to contribute financially because it's not my dog and do they live together in this scenario. I can't remember because we have different. Jones live together. You're if you live there I don't know I mean you have a dog. What do you think do you think it's different than partner? Lives in new versus Johnson. I think maybe not if you do not live together like it's always a conversation but I would have never expected to pay for Dewey's food. He brought him treat sometimes gifts yes because he loved him and she said that she was like trees and stuff. But it's my responsibility. If we break up I get the dog. The dog is mine. Why should he have to contribute to the dog bear day-to-day today necessities? When you break up which we did I kept my dog? Yeah so also you know to me where the line for me is if someone's not helping helping at all so if somebody I hope he's going to help me with Dewey and walk him in love on him and stuff like that if someone hard line in the sand never wakes up and walks dewey right. It's not I. I don't think we're a match because I think he should want to partner because it helps my life my life exactly just what love is but like so he my ex that I was really close with my main in one way I had to. It was a wonderful help I would never if I would if he even came home is me by buying food. I'd I would be like you didn't need it. Yeah totally I still by they. All of I mean we're not married. We have separate finances. I still take care of everything financially. I do it because yeah I mean I not and I think that he would probably have I asked him to but it is something that naturally progress where like first of all I had to trust him walking. Khloe 'cause I write because I love her so much and I'm like I do trust somebody walking. You can't trust just like anybody walking a dog actually actually let me walk to rain. A Walk do an emergency situation and months ago it was the first time she's ever walked dog number right. Yeah I mean. I can't stress this enough. You're the last person I never asked. It's works on a leash handle. Has I think what people said in the facebook group which was the answer and I just. I wonder what you guys what your situation is is if you broke up. who gets the dog? That's your dog is your financial responsibility. Just is yeah. She's my financial. Yeah I think also that situation that you mentioned it was in a fight like something happens in a fight. It's not necessarily earlier the most rational thing but it was on his mind. Yeah so maybe true. Maybe he went back and was like I didn't mean that which is awesome. We've all things we don't mean in the heat of the moment so oh perhaps but like still wanted to address the Yang and also think. I don't think that's fair to put on her. I wish all right if if it was a decision to purchase this property prior to the relation. Exactly why don't I think he was hit before I met at my man. I wouldn't expect him to raise the exact there unless we were in a committed. long-term relationship with me he'd committed that naturally happens it's like okay. Love Review I love your kid now let me adopt them you know. He just started walking her like it just happened very naturally and now we like take turns Walker in the morning. He walks her at night And that's what it is and he's a great doggie daddy but I'm a professional. And she had her first. It would be probably different if we had them together. But let's be real also the professional but now I'm now I'm thinking about the what we talked about with if you get a dog together getting tricky. That's where you make sure that everything is in your name. But then the Bein of the food like let's just take the food. For example food can be fifty sixty bucks a month or more. I'm I think that's when you have to sit down and figure that out ahead of time. Yeah but then then then you get into the break up and then the per- the other person says I've split half of the dog's food with you for three years just as much mind so right I mean but not legally. The dog's name is in your record. It doesn't really matter adults. I wouldn't buy a car with another person having discussion with them about who pays for the gas who splits the break up. Where does the cargo so at animals no different conversation? I feel like it all kind of comes back to what you said. I like animals. Mostly have of a person and you know damn well like yeah like if you had to do a Hammurabi situation is like you know we're gonna cut this dog and half or are we going to let it choose like it. Would you know who it would choose. I love chloe. No she would choose Lisa to be like I'd opiates. CBS Shit Bag. In a break-up is Brian part of like. Yeah part of the advice. I think it's rare. I think most people now but I think the answer is like we're talking to the ladies here that you you you want to be responsible for that dog like if you are the person that it's more yours. Yeah maybe you need to realize that you might need to pay for more and to take a lot of responsibility responsibility. And I'm and I'm happy to do that bills if you've got a dog together. Thousands of dollars. Oh Yeah you could be minimum. Yeah absolutely Louis over Ferrier's yeah it's so expensive and if the big bills hit when like the crisis heads and pet insurance my strong advice would be pet insurance and big fan patterns but Young uh-huh in crisis hits. It's really relationship ruining. It's like having like a really sick kid so much responsibility so much time so much emotion that goes into it so I think yeah yeah you have to have those conversations upfront and you have to just have the option. put the dog. Put everything in your name. If you think that you WANNA be the one to keep that dog also just try to think about that. What's best for the dog too? Yeah but I I don't I don't really know the exact answer but I mean I can see scenario where someone's trying to be a dick and they're like we broke up. I'm a I'm thousands of dollars in the hole dog and you're just going to take it away. Yeah doggy court. We should start a show. I mean it's the dumbest thing I've heard today. Yeah definitely happening Just like five minute episodes become to us and we get to decide who keeps the dog. Yes I'm so into this. I am so into this issue. We called the Puzzles Court. Hash with the names dude. Really Short one. What if you hate? Someone's dog voice. Their babytalk dog voice. And there's no getting over that it was just happened to a friend of mine and she texted me. She's she's dating this guy she's really she's like I hate the way talks was dog. I don't know what to do and she do. The voice turns me off. She did a little bit on the phone. If you're we're going to do an impression. Oh my God it's just. He's big burly guy is just like like it's just a really high pitched like yeah like it's just an answer turns into Japanese hooker. That's another hard conversation. I guess I don't know I mean okay. You've said to me like I hate the baby talk you. Hey baby talk you. Don't tell me how to talk to chloe but like in general you're like I'm not into baby talk so I don't I don't do well. That's definitely something I think you should be able to correct somebody by with the method of teaching by teasing. Like if every time they do it. You're like really annoying back like they might resent it but they would stop. I try to teach nagging people mixed mixed album. You try to teach by withholding mm-hmm. BJ's no I can't tell myself Bj no matter what. But I've always tried to like stop people's behavior by like making a joke or nagging Komo a little bit like for me personally my partner the love and I will be somebody that responds to that. Positively feels like they're being attacked by me or I'm like I'm emasculating. Masculine you you have to take out if it would also be so funny if that was like the deal breaker for a guy like that baby voice just who I am and Though when you see like a big burly Guy Day in the fall put his dogs in the other room. We've talked like these two little tiny dogs and like I loved them so much like watching watching this gigantic man. Bald covered in tattoos have like a dog. Baby Voice Wild. Yeah and it can be endearing. Sometimes it can drive you crazy but I think that might say more sometimes about the relate sometimes when you start to find things that you nitpick and you're like ooh I actually hate almost everybody's had voice except me and my mom. 'cause it's the same you got it from your way on one girl. She sent me like a video of her talking to her dog. Like oh you want to meet me and I was horrified. I just thought it's a weird thing. It's like someone in there. Like most secretive period like nominee. People even know how I talked to dewey alley a personal thing like now I wanted to see I mean you probably. I don't know if you've ever willing here's she was like the other day she was like. Is your mom. Hear like you Sam. I don't think too wild. Yeah it's like it's it's such a personal thing. Yeah you're so vulnerable when you're doing this like cheesy not so much. A baby voice as it is borderline retarded. That's a good like if you ask me what this guy was like a scruffy voice voice. Okay okay big question. This is the main a couple. You both have dogs. Let's say and they don't get along and you want to move in together be together her tough one to death. Michael Vick this shit. Dogs Enter Games the dog. Yeah that is a really tough one. I've had I've had veterinarians in this situation like I'm in facebook groups with like tons of to really love their pets and like what do you do when you move in. I mean there's not I mean my best advice. They're actually probably would be to work with a trainer if you really want to commit to spend the money because I always say your where quality of life with a pet is everything and so for example. Like I mean if you can't move into your partner's house because you're two dogs. Don't get along. You're not going to have a good quality of life and neither is your pat and so investing the money and time into training is going to be everything it's not like it's two step siblings that don't get along in their making nasty nasty comments towards one dog's going to attack the other don't we we dealt with this Idaho this with a roommate. My roommate had a dog I brought you home. They got along for her two months and then they won fight. It was insane. Yeah I've reached. stoldas are crazy and that they just never really stopped so we onto a trainer honor. We then started to realize the way that they would look at each other before they are about to fight but like they're they went up against the glass wall was everywhere. We both have like. There was bloodshed and on. We only live together. We really and we. She was so cool and chill that Because I think it can cause a lot of problems start blaming the other dog and we went saw trainer. I clearly that is the answer. I don't know some dogs. We'll just never get along. I mean no absolutely not and so it's not acute fun thing if if they're bigger like snuck arche comments. Bill kill each. Oh Yeah Yeah. Absolutely or and I've seen were partners moved with dogs and cats and they're just never safe around each other so then the other thing I would say is being ed his parents. They can't be around the block or the cats. And and that's what you have to do. I mean you just have to be right now. So and that's not even like worth you know there are steps you can take to make it safer with training but it will never probably be one hundred percent safe but I think you can training like commit and spend the Alani to do whatever it takes to get to a point. That's liveable or what you can't I mean yeah then you start having to ask hard questions like what. What do you do with the relationship or is there a family member who contain animal? Which I which I don't like I don't advocate for giving up a pepa? They also don't advocate for putting them in a crazy situation and I wouldn't ask a woman not to move in with her boyfriend for that you know so it's a really hard one. That's a really hard on us out of ignorance. I'm just curious because Ashley parents have a cat and I see the cat it not just I mean they can't be right but you know they would tell the cat. Is that like a common thing that like cats cannot move with dogs and can you retrain them like to. Is that like for Shit. You can't the socialized early doing wrong. Cats right yeah right. I wouldn't trust him around. He's on his own age. You're like yeah they're critical socialization period is up until fifteen weeks. So if you want a dog to be good with cats you typically want them to be around cats around that time but even even after that some dogs will then be. It's just like people you know. It's like some dogs even though maybe they never saw during that critical socialization period. Maybe they'll still be fine. Yeah and some. Some dogs are like fine when they're puppies but then still. They've got that prey drive when they get older. That like you just cannot trust them. So yeah in general when you have just even to animals that are is two different sizes even trusting them around each other. It's not worth it. It's not worth taking the risk. Just like if you leave separate them I have. I know people actually even with like dogs. Who their their dog and cat do fine inside like they live inside the house together but if they were to get outside something in the dog's brain just like switches cray drive goes so just go oh after it so that they can live in the same environment totally fine but they get out into the hallway or they get into a yard and all of a sudden it's different ballgame so yeah? Wow Yeah it's AH. Do you hate cats Richie. No I'm I'm I'm afraid of cats what I've got to admit that people who don't my cats I say. I think that they're just not comfortable around like little aliens. I had a scarring childhood experience with with a cat that like we were taking it to to the vet I used to like cats and we were taking it to the vet in the old Eighties Volvo the big box. He station wagon and my mom wisely. Put us in in the car and then put the cat like probably just in a grocery bag or something in the back in in the way back in the time that it took to get to to the front door this cat claws out ricocheted off a mine and my sister's face is like five or six times and then she opened the door and he went and we never saw it again. Oh my got it yeah so traumatic it kick the shit out of this. I was like four and she was six. Wow Yeah my parents have really mean cat that I don't like but my mom said to me when I was a kid like we had cats growing up and dogs but she was like don't trust demand that hates cats like it's one thing to not be a cat person. I think people always want to hate on cats. Yeah not all cats are tape to hate a whole shit on cats so much. It's like their animal's an animal or if you hate cats but she was like you shouldn't November traumatic Mac situation but she said that early on she was like yeah. I want this man. This guy was dating kicked my cat. I never saw got. Oh well that's not you don't to be a cat lover. Love her but to hate cats. Red Fly had a cat when we have no other really fun. Did right really really neat. I did do this movie. You should definitely duplicate what we moved in together. In two months later I was like I have a cat. It was in the weeks later. It was like Kat jeter parents house there was talk of this of like. Hey Jack says high and and I like it was always just like a comment like it always is kind of dropped. And it's like who's Jack and then it's like. Hey Jack Common Yeah so any any four hundred square foot apartment while we were writing out her release before we could move to the place that we're in now it was the two of us a seventy five pound dog and a cat. ooh that cat likes to walk on phases at night sweat heroes sweetest thing. We'd is cat ever so easy I have to take pictures and send them to me of you know I just think ladies. Beware guy hates cats. I don't know you can't hang up. We WanNA talk about sex fine. Everybody looks at rain most experienced something else seeing me. I just want to talk about attacks. In general yes. What position to do it now? Dogs being in the bedroom which will segue into our little league game segment for the end of tonight. I'm how do you feel about people who allow their animals to watch. When they have sack is weird way and like listen? Well how human animal freak. Thank you stop an animal from watching it. Depends I guess on where you are either someone. Why do some want to watch in some doll like to see the dewey? He's in the room. When I've sucks? Plenty yeah but he's not saying they're like exactly exactly I've dealt the dog that is on all fours. We are face to face save face. Hey the dodgers staring me dour making eye contact crazy never masturbated and had eye contact with Dewi. Is that what. You're telling me PAT horrifying question. I have ever hockey. How come he's he's a good looking guy? Aim at well. I feel like that. There's that aspect of sex with an animal in the room but for dudes it's a whole different story right because you know Peter Height like Khloe is and there's smells that they want to smell and that's that's some real sharp teeth can be walking around the first few times that you're naked around a dog. It's a thing eight on now. It's a thing language daily. Looks like it's so true. You're so right now it is a real. What if you have hard Dick at all times around? I mean that that's part of why Lisa likes me. Nothing Else Priok piglet ladies but no. That's that is nerve wracking. Have you been straight up cock block before but the dog like you can't do that. Happened to me. The grossed me out I was talking booze guy. He likes dogs like live on. The main couch at the main couch was is there bed and they were like pugs and to their small and I have to be on couch but they like slobber all over guys baby faces another guy with two pucks Voice this this is the same guy fucked one hundred. She's been running through these pug feds it's Alpha Alpha from the campaign. I don't care what you do for a living here. Why you like one plug pal To visit to Puss the climax wasn't it wasn't one black ones and Yang to interracial interracial twinsies turn down the heat in here getting what. Okay I will say this. Actually you can give give me advice rather deal with this because it really bothered okay. I loved these dogs by the way I like. I actually like unlike the other guy couldn't get enough of a small little. I loved walking them. I loved playing with them. I loved his love for them. QC somebody so burly levies cool things. anyways I'm so we were laying on the couch and like the dogs. Bad was the cows and they were like slobbering slobbering all over it and they chewed it up. I mean he literally those jobs go to town like religious like rub their decks all over the counter pug smell is you. Don't take care of them. Wait hold the animal. Smell animals smell. If you let them slobber dogs like that with a push face smell more right they just I mean it just smells like an animal and my home doesn't smell animal meal but also you don't like you don't like do we. Like rub his asshole and his face all over the couch so we're lying on the couch watching a movie and the dog every couple of seconds. I'd get this deep Waf- of like saliva and just dog like wet dog and like He. He was like trying to mess around with me on this couch watching this movie and I couldn't do it and I was just like let's just go in the other room and like talking the bed and we can watch the movie no no. I don't WanNa be distracted by the movie. It's like a real thing that smell. It was accepted yarn off and like I didn't know how to explain that to him like you can't really say that to a person or furniture's thanks I don't know. Can you think anybody who has a dog can accept like if if you're just like a little doggy here jaw. Aw I feel like I would I would have I because you can just can't right. Yeah I just didn't know what to say I know I think that's I think that's a good call like it's kind. Could I like the way vacuuming debris you eat like. I mean this couch I treat it like my second pet like I love waiting period. Great I guy covered with a blanket like do do do. We will never lay on it so comfortable and he I don't I've never had anything with furniture and him. He can lay where everyone's but I cover hover it like he also doesn't smell like when feebles furniture and everything is just like covered a dog hair and smells bad. Like you should be expected to fuck on that now right and then yeah fans so what was the end of the story. New Relation blasted five minutes. This is not like a long-term anybody that I'm in a long term partnership with I mean two months plus but I'm right along term but like I'm having a conversation with you about this well even though more so when you're not because you don't have time for that shit when you're not in a relationship totally right you've been or not but I think in the beginning you want to be like the cool girl like accepts his dogs and his lifestyle and you want to be like this. Yeah well the dogs away and it smells like man as so you're gonNA tell him. Hey Buddy so I was like man on this right well we that leads us into two. We WanNA play this game for you. I will since I'm just going to name it off the top of my head. We'll just call it dog blocked of people. We asked her people submissions about getting caught hop blocked. So we're gonNA run through them. We have some funny emails. And we didn't say doc specifically we said pets and I just had to tell you this rain. I didn't tell you this again. This happened in the facebook group so this was so funny to me. Someone reported this right so they reported this contact J. in the facebook group every time some people like I'm always like Goddamn Damn it. Yeah I don't know how to behave but sometimes it's funny. What people are offended by so I guess people were talking about this about getting cock blocked by the dog and this or no they were talking about funny as sexual experiences are crazy sexual experiences and this girl said the goonies were on and when we were done we realized one of his Wa wa was in the bed the whole time and someone reported reported that like really abused dog abuse? I don't even think it's because the dog watched the I'm picturing the Chihuahuas like at the bottom of the bed like Jocelyn around the sheets like free like the chihuahuas fine but the fact that someone reported that as offensive call. They're hoping helping away. It's struggling the dogs is thinking goonies. Never die the whole time. What's going on in smash on the dog so do we? I said GonNa pass he when I lived in Atlanta like with somebody I was sitting with He jumped up on the bed and we were we were having Saxon. I'm doing you know when I push them off the bat. I don't have a lower bad at that point. Like one of those lower like beds and another time at this was here New York and I was having sex with this guy. My kitchen and and I was bent over the counter and then the coat rack came crashing down. So do we knocked her Moco and then in the history of all the guys date and all the guys slept with with Dewey and the house which has been a good amount since it for eleven years there was one like hundreds there was just one guy he didn't like and he would just run around and act crazy and it was got you just yeah. He wasn't I just think. Do we like skies. Yeah they was one eleven year just of course Calico macos spirit and memory. He did he wasn't close to this family. fucking climber Yup no fans but Wierdo climber that didn't get along with his family from climate. There's like my friend over fucking climber. Okay so we have very solo mix of emails in one liners. I'M GONNA kick off with this one liner because it's a former guest of ours. Name is Jeremy Jakubowicz. He just loves the show so much. Maybe okay so we asked for like one liners for dogs. Hot wanting you. This one girl's dog would constantly try to kick me in the Dick Perfect kicked eight every single time. Oh my God so funny well all right. Well I've seen his deck. It's I mean I've questions about ah please like from the bed from a standstill. I've seen has deck from the dog kick as Dick Probably like your scenario where you're walking around with your checkout okay right and you could have been like a situation question though like you're in the bed is the dog just like walk in on your deck. Had animals like walk across material. God we puppy sit a hey Frenchie sometimes only wants to walk on my Dick like I have to have a pillow over the crotch at all times because when you watch. TV It on that Dick. What from what we've heard too short? Okay one of my ex-boyfriends big ass doodle jumped in bed cock blocked actus than eight. My Thong oh she loved eat some underwear. Oh no that's also could be very expensive. Bright out real quick. I'll tell you a story. That's a great one. One of the favorites favorites is we do. If it's under way they can get obstructed like a foreign. It can be a surgical emergency where you actually have to go in and cut out the seven to ten thousand dollar surgery and we often like to give people like yeah and we often like to give people give give people what they brought all right because we were like. Oh look what you're seven thousand dollars came with and we gave broad panties back one time to this lady and she was like this is not my underwear holy. She found out that her husband was cheating on her. The dog ate somebody else's brand under snitching engineers dog good stories that fucking da save lives not which also means he was cheating on you in in your own home right. Yeah I am. This story is insane. Yeah it's crazy town tonight. It's the best fucking Tuck in guy with the underwear and she's like that's my underwear Ashok. There's another great one along those lines not to interrupt the game please the missile so while way to give it away a soggy telling stories I yeah I mean that's great story so yeah the lady Indian lady came in and they they're getting an x ray because the dog ate something and they thought it looked like a missile and they removed it. Now you're like five like Marion standing around. Like what is this like rocket shaped thing and yeah no but it was like this like sixty year old I'd like intimidating just Bachelorette party or said she had she had like. Oh Yeah I'm I'm not going to do the racist excellent it was like yeah I had a Bachelorette party last night on Wednesday this one. I don't know why this is so funny to me. I think because she did the upside down Smiley face at the end which is so funny. my dog ran off with our used condom and ate it. Oh I have a lot of those. Actually it's pretty common. We hooked up at my dog ate his sandals overnight added added driving home Shula as well. At least you got the debt girl girl said I was giving head to my boyfriend is bad and the dog started looking my feet. This girl right then worse. Not necessarily accomplishing remains. An either or this is not necessarily a cock block but my dog has looked a few holes in his day one time post intercourse my dog. His Dog Oh my God his dog lick my vagina. And he didn't do anything to stop it but did you. You could stop it. And yes. She's laying there like hey buddy going to do something about this animal ways. We have a submission marina we were having second has started looking my ass. was there even to get double penetrated dogs while you like to the old front end back do tonight. This one one time during sex. My boyfriend's dog came up and looked my boob mood killed. I don't WanNa think dog during the small small puked on the bed while I was hooking up with a guy. He was raised new this crazy talking about cats dogs but the guy has he led us his a snake and forgot he let it loose in the house. There you go third up during sex. I was hoping there will be some holy share some other animals. Don't date a snake guy. I'm sorry I'm going to say it. Yeah Okay Oh my God. My boyfriend pulled out accidentally busted on my cat walk. I believe it but we also play game called falls on your dog. Your boyfriend didn't come on. Your captain came on some pushing the growth in projectile reign of the COM-. I don't blame the animal. The reflexes are too good. No cats laying there. Great cats take it. Richard has a whole bit about fat. Cats are down a bit about how it's impossible to fuck a cast. It was more. It's funny can you imagine though if like guys we're Chicago on the CAT SCRUFFY scruffy whiskers. Okay guys will thank you so much. It's been so incredible I decided I know that there's so many more questions people have about pets because there's so many topics discussed but we'll have to have you back. Can you guys listen to you. Plug all your stuff. Yes yes so definitely come. You can follow me on Instagram at Dr Lisa. Lipman if you just put Dr Lisa. Dr L. ASA at comes up. I will answer to your home or your there. I'll answer your questions and also we can talk about on the podcast. You can follow us. Also at. We don't deserve dogs August and listened to the podcast. We'd on deserve dogs named by Ash. Follow me on everything at Ritchie reading and I put out some very bad news stories stories every week at checkout. Really real with Richie reading. It's the best bad news in the business. And above all just slide into my ladies I think establishing is is open and you guys pot. Your pockets is so great. Are you still doing Chandy Ocean. Here's a segment that they do that. 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