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"The views expressed in the following program. Do not necessarily represent those of the staff management owners have wg bb live from the wgn studios in new york. When your and hello there and welcome back to our number two of w. dvd sports thoughts on ninety five point nine fm twelve. Forty am w jimmy v. Gary hart again. John henry with you for the next next sixty minutes piece when we are going to have tim boyle from the rising apple. Talking new york. Mets and kreischer from. I'll start talking about the new york. Islander draft john. Welcome back to our to here. We go your coffee It was done a long time ago but as a kicked in. Yeah i should be fine all right. Well thanks to brian. Thanks appreciate it running joke anyway. We are going to welcome in our guest for these first portion show. He is a frequent contributor to wgn sports. Great guy and a ardent met writer for the website called rising great website. If you don't subscribe to it you need to because it's a great place to get. You met information and tim. Boyle joins us on. Wgn sports struck. Tim it's gary in john. How are you tonight. i'll are you guys doing. We're doing quite good. But i gotta ask you real serious question okay. The mets just picked up richhill two years older than the manager. Okay i'm fifty seven years old. I'm a left-hander. I through high school ball. I never got fascinating seventy five miles an hour but through good junk to i gotta shot. How fast can you tell you. Tell seventy five okay. Well we're chill. You know you got Nine mile per hour curve ball saying this is a one thing about this year. That really irk me with the business. The first year. I think the left open the season with a walker. Everybody younger than me. So i'm so right now. Forty one years old. I've got almost a decade left before i thought. Hey maybe we can be teammates. One day we just tells you how old we are. Okay dwight. Gooden was born a year after me. So nineteen eighty-four. I was beginning to feel old again. Thanks to him. That makes me feel great man. One hundred hundred gains in and could you couldn't believe in your wildest dreams that we'd be sitting here talking as we approached trade deadline a week away. That the mets got four game lead and it and we talked earlier in the show. I don't know if you've got to listen. But it's it's a great testament to this organization that they've gotten production and got responses from just about. Everybody and i can't remember ever saying that in years that you've got every every guy on this roster has done something at some point to be critical to hero at least at some point. Yeah definitely i think the difference between now in the last few years is that this is an ongoing whereas remember. There was the rajai davis game. Where he took uber down from syracuse valley might have been Carlos gomez had a big hit but when we look back at that that was only about a month stand. But we're we're almost an august now and still There's guys that don't even on the roster anymore. That were big contributors. Games guys. like billy mckinney Fargos who just got on waiver Yeah but they've had like you said they've had different hero every night on to mock neto had that nice to stretch working just hit a home late to tie the game or give them a lead So this is definitely one of those teen years more than anything else. I know they do have Some stars leading the way about Nobody's really good out. Especially when you look at the overall number degrom and who knows what he'll be back before you get to question. John just want to say if you go onto rising apple dot com timber degreed article yesterday. And i'll just read the headlines. And ode to. Billy mckinney are dearly departed. Thirty nine game wonder i take. I love this kid. I loved his passion. And i thought oh this is great. You know. maybe it'll motivate you. Know some of the guys and he really did and it's just the same that unfortunately the numbers causing a go but definitely folks if you're if you're checking out their sight read the article. It's really good guy john. Well it's kind of along the lines of the question. I was going to ask. I mean. I don't even know where to start if if you if you going back to march in april and you looked at the team and you know the roster on paper and if i had said to you you know by august i. This team is going to be in first place. But we're going to have it at certain times of the season. Thirteen or fourteen guys on the i l. and you're going to have a bench mob. That's basically you know going to win a schemes. would you have believed in your wildest dreams. That would have been possible. I would have thought that was possible. Mainly the atlanta braves the phillies and the national stuff. Existing really is inconceivable. I mean the fact that there were in first place is in surprise but that they've been in first place this along with your players. They've done with that's just tremendous and i don't think anybody coming form. The phillies are the closest but they got their own issues The nationals of pretty much one loss away from just giving it in and the braves. I i think they're kinda missing position so really fifty amazing what they've been able to do with so little Really actually on paper. I mean you look at any of the staff. Nothing really blows you away even walker. Now here's your raise up in made threes but come out to my. They've managed to weaker and a lot of wind and move saying i. It seems to be happening from just about everybody but you look at you know again with the great start that jacob pat and we're hoping and praying i know i think he had of open session today and off the mound and hopefully you know that's gonna say maybe by by maybe next week you get him back You know the rich hill deal. I admit i saw one of his two starts with the long island ducks about eight years ago and we got made it back into the major leagues and you know turned into Into a great career. And he's i love again because he's a left-hander like me but but he eats innings and i think he will do a lot of innings eating. And you gotta be happy. As a mets fan. For you know the the sounds of carrasco having a good outing at syracuse. Yesterday i mean other other talk of him potentially coming coming up to To flushing in the next seven to ten days. I think with go. There was a thought originally that he might have started not today or even one of the game. Tomorrow and double header. But that's obviously not going to happen. I think what's going to happen is. It's only looking to hear the news one morning that he's starting It's kinda kinda surprised us. But i would not be surprised if they just kinda talked him out there One possibility is maybe they're just waiting to see what they're able to pick up before the deadline because they are able to bring in a true starter into the team they might be able to give him another rehab star. Don't push hoof far But then again there's also the double header tomorrow so than they're kind of very Thirty pitching navy's all the tons of yeah. I think it's going to be very quick. That he comes in. And i would not be shocked to this week. What are you thoughts about the future. The remaining sixty plus games with the bullpen. I mean it's really been worked to the max We really need to get some deep. Starts you know more than five innings from from our starting pitching. Because i i think the strain on the bullpen. You're starting to see here and there Do you think the mets they just going to go for a starter. Do you think they're going to try to get somebody else to help. Sure up you know the late innings. Definitely look to get some relief health Maybe even more than one guy definitely been a concern of mine all season long was that when is this. Bullpen going to break and we have seen the moment Louisville hasn't been that terrific and. I think it's definitely something that they need to address There's been fortunate that they haven't had too many injuries to their main relievers but You're playing with fire just continuing with what you have right now. Some guys are pitching out of their minds. Aaron loup especially yeah. Yeah he's he. He has had his bad moments but Good overall hard. Except when i go to games. I was at the game last sunday. Pittsburgh and on that he has those games and maybe once a month once every other month and ugly ugly. Yes exactly. But i think it's been you know again growing up. You know being beck stands. John and i have been for five decades. We're used to implosion here younger. You've seen them but we've seen all along but it's it's been a great testament that they're able to you know to get these. You know these you know like openers. Or whatever and get the couple eatings and get guys going but then you know as you said you know. They've been pretty much injury free. But i mean i literally heard when i left the house today to pick up john to come to do to show that. The peterson broke his toe walking on the on the on the floor in got clubhouse and he's now out for the year how do they make this stuff up kind of ridiculous but i mean again that that dwell for arc uterus Playing for the have one flat and very awkward to walk sometimes. She you know that that that that was the very odd injury and it was a very Vintage mapped injuries. Definitely starting location. Or concern and Ah the previous question too about the innings. Though i don't think sloman ever had one hundred eighty one hundred pitch one hundred one hundred pitch outing. Since he joined the mets which is kind of ridiculous and the other. Night tyler mcgill. He he was at. I think about seventy-eight pictures made a little bit more than token out. my concern with him. I think he's just going to reach an innings limit this year and no matter how well pitcher so yeah the the starting rotations. It's doing well. But i don't know it's definitely something. They need to be concerned about especially with peterson's late injury. Well taking a look at the at the season gimme a name of one met who has been a really pleasant surprise or just something. That's kind come out of nowhere and gimme. The name of a met who you think is really been disappointing. His really just not shown us what he really needs to show that with the second half. Because that's that's definitely got to be conforto One thing that always seemed to be able to do is you would always be able to pop the home homerun every so often power. Just hasn't been there. I know he's showing a little more cognitively lately. But overall this season is really bad and i think he dragged down the team When he's doing this way he he's been throughout his career. A guy who performs really well and met victories and not so much win or lose. So he's definitely been the biggest disappointment The guy who done more wow I it's tough because it seems like guys will be doing really well for a while and then they'll just go in a slum come down to earth again jose peraza. I mean he's clutch. Niff- has been pretty terrific. I forget what the exact numbers. But i think he was hitting something like over four hundred in late high leverage situations or some very very close. I really liked. Yeah yeah he got hurt zoo real. Bummer yeah yeah but yet. I always say one guy is really impressed. Me overall I guess it comes back to somebody to pick it up the slack for everyone else. Each sign that how they're managing your game. I just add to that. 'cause i know when gary thorne did the The covering for gary cohen. This past weekend he was raving about about About vr. Because obviously he covered a couple years in in baltimore. And i think what two years ago we had twenty something homerun eighty for the orioles when they were playing so badly and he really praised him. And i like i like his versatility and to me glove work. You know that one game where he really had a bit the farm and had three errors. But other than that instance on that one instance. I've really been impressed with his versatility in the infield and you know again the the ability to get a clutch hit. And that's what this you know. We've always been complaining. About the fact that the mets you know for years had such a inevitability to get get guys on with runners in scoring position. But you know in for some guys. they seem. That's the time when they when they've shined and i've really liked both vr npr's play. You know the the rhyming names there. But i think those two guys have been a great interest introduction to the team you know when they get healthy. They go back to their roles that they should have been and you know this again. This is a this is a club that just surprises you. Yeah i think those two They bring much-needed elements of the team. Re lar- you can play every infield position. And i'm sure he can play the outfield meter. Any also brings that extra element of speed that. The mets are missing especially with linda out. But other than those two can't really trust too many other players on the dealer and Polat i mean what he brings to the locker room. I think we don't even truly see The way he bounced back from getting hit in the face the intangible help the club. What about linda war. What is your feel when when i was saying about guys who kind of disappointing. That's the guy. I thought you were really going to go to completely for even exist. Forty million dollars. Yeah yeah yeah woah. Woah yeah yeah. He's definitely been a disappointment. Which is odd though. Because he actually how much you care about war. He was actually economic team at war and then half which is kind of tremendous However they calculate that arbitrary number but yeah he. He's definitely been a huge disappointment. I i think the difference between him and a lot of the other Disappointments on the team is. He hasn't had that one huge game. That one huge met moment yet. But i'm maybe it'll happen october. Hope so he's got he's got nine years to prove but You know we talked earlier. The trade deadline is coming up on friday this normally when we talking trade deadline for the mass. We'd be saying okay. Who are we going to get rid of. Who's gonna leave. He's going to do whatever but this only selling revived we're usually sellers. But i in this case we gotta be buyers You know the one the one name that you constantly hear you know from these experts at espn or mlb network. Or whatever is the possibility of kris bryant coming from the chicago cubs who've seemed to be imploding. And i think are going to be dumping major league in the next three or four days Could you see a scenario of kris bryant. Maybe put into third base. And as i was saying before putting guys like you know pull our vr back into a role of filling in covering and you know being versatile and playing anywhere on the infield. What's your thoughts about the potential walk. Technical of possibly mr brian coming into a met uniform. Well i'll give you a name that The metro should be considering It's the guy Familiar with todd. Frazier. who's playing with the suffolk. Minors independently. Actually that's not true. He's playing for the us olympic team. Right now. I saw something on facebook that he was he wasn't he play. He covered in sussex because when in the pirates released him he played for team. Usa in a couple of in the in the draw then for about two weeks played with sussex. Just stay in game shape But a matter of fact I soar a video of him actually behind the the flag bearers when they went on the opening ceremony. He's playing for team. Usa right now well what could be better than the us. Men's basketball yes. Yeah yeah well. In fact the brian He's he's been a great for you here. Great for the nets but do they really even need him. And what would they do with the rest of roster. I mean he would obviously play author based primarily which then moves davis into a part time role. Maybe you can play some left field. Maybe even some right field and buying can do those things too. He can play the cubs. Yeah and i think it was at the all star game. You said that his preferred choices centerfield but not very good center fielder anyway and that might have just been bryant just trying to drum up some controversy or just china off his next week but switching gears of course About ten days ago. You know the the mlb draft happening. And i. it's funny. I've never watched any of mlb draft ever but About i guess about two or three weeks ago they talked about it will be at work was talking about the dynamic duo from vanderbilt university. Which was kumar. And mr lighter. Which son of al and i was very impressed From the stories that came out from both of them and and of course many of the experts were expecting both end. Be drafted very high Lighter was drafted number two. I believe but You know camo. Rocker ended up dropping to the mets lap. At number ten. And i am very impressed with this young man. I know you've done some homework on them. But what are your thoughts about about him. potentially Maybe in a couple of years stepping onto the city field you always Tough to really know what it's gonna become a people. It's it's what they say. You can never really predict what's gonna happen. You'll see one guy from the top ten ever become a star and then suddenly a bunch of third landers are much better than him but Kumar rocker the one thing. That just amazing that we've known about him for a couple of years now People who don't even follow amateur baseball so it's definitely exciting to get him i. I don't really follow the college. Quit that much. But based on what everyone says is that was an amazing pick. I mean the mets locked out that the other owners were cheating out and not wanting to pay the slot dollar amounts to other draft picks Ahead of them so they do really fortunate to have such a young stud coming up and they could. They could use this study pitching how to. I know they have matt allen recovering from tommy. John surgery Jt gin he just returned from his own that he Had before even getting drafted so there are restocking the farm with some amazing pitching talent. And i think it's really gonna them in the future who right now Of as far as prospects would be ready to maybe tickets shot at the team. You know when they have the call up in september we might get a look at and you know who might be challenging for jobs next season. I ten just wrote an article on rising apple. So if you wanna go check. I want you apprentice go. Alvarez's already know i. I just wanted to segue into the article. Yeah yeah yeah he. He's talking prospect now though that that that comprise me. I didn't think he was gonna rise up quickly. That's just tremendous to see a catching prospect for the mets high. I don't they've maybe dr no With at some point that high. But i can't imagine that early on in his miley career. I mean you wanna feel old francisco. Alvarez is nineteen is holding his seventh eighth best prospect in baseball. And this is. I think is Would have been a third professional season if he played last year. So that that young yeah time to figure out anything. So the skies really the limit with him so i think a lot of people are guessing. He'll be here by twenty twenty three Taking twenty twenty four so big. He's still going to be a young choir. I am very excited to see what he can do. And i guess because of a lot of the moving around the players and things like that that it's it's made The teams struggle i. I haven't seen it lately. But i know syracuse numbers win whilst numbers were were absolutely brutal is is that the same crescendo. Kind of effect happening in the rest of the minor league system. Yeah last time. I checked the other minor league teams in the mets system. Were doing that. Great I check in on the rumble ponies. Every so often. They don't even have anybody that's doing that. Well i think the problem with churches because they have a couple of pitchers with some numbers they had a guy. I don't even remember his name. I was looking at it. He was like oh and eight with an eight point. Eight two year ray. It's making wonder why they're even keeping on to those guys and rather than stretching out career guys like our tropeano wanted him to be stretched out and maybe possibly be an emergency starter. But that hasn't been the case but not the biggest problem in the world. No no i mean you know. I think though good that the mets are their re stocking their minor league system. Because that's really been you know. Oughta stuff that. I've read over the years. That's really been the shortcoming for this team. You know other than obviously the pitching prospects but overall we really have not had a strong farm system compared to a lot of the other teams in the major leagues. And hopefully that will change in the next couple of years. Playing playing. vegas didn't help you. Yeah that's true too. Yeah i think the big problem too is that a lot of their first round. Pick within traded in recent years. Justin guy anthony k. One other lennick obviously they. They really unloaded a lot of picks after Twenty sixteen. i'll give you give as we end this or give you a little age story again going back to my my h my my nephew in tampa florida and one of his best friends was a pitcher. At jesuit high school in tampa florida. He ended up being a first round draft. Pick for the new york. Mets in nineteen ninety seven ninety something ninety six ninety seven his name was jeff gets and the name should be familiar because in seven he was or what he was traded to the florida. Marlins for psychiatrist. Mike piazza. I've actually i know jeff very well. And he's he's a A high school coach down of florida and he got that great bonus for For signing with the new york mets and got traded to you know he was doing really well in the mets someday traded onto the florida marlins and he blew his arm out so just shows my age but anyway listen we appreciate the time he joining us on the show but While we got you here and again we know we love it but Please plus the site put the guys you right with and tell us everybody how to get in touch with you. Sure for rising apple dot com. All your mets opinion news. History anything you could possibly wanna know about. And of course we're always welcome to Let on new later. People are passionate wanna learn. Just want to voice their opinions again. That's rising apple dot com and follow me on twitter at the baseball boil. I don't really tweet much about fourth anymore. Mostly just nonsense about listen. you said you eat writers. Could you still take a fifty seven year. Old going throws off seventy maybe seventy five miles an hour for really work hard at it. Sounds good. sounds good. Listen we always appreciate you joining. Gb sports have a great rest of the summer. And hopefully we're going to be Getting you In september october to talk playoffs vic scott yes all right take a again. That simple oil from rising apple dot com. Please please please subscribe to them. If you're a great site for guys really excellent outfit to get your daily fix when we come back from a final break of the night. The the resident i guess quasi third wheel of this show. Paul kreischer from aisles. Talk who i now called no strict thomas kreischer and we're going to talk about the islanders in the draft and the prospects for free agency and what's going to happen with this team for the summer gary and john back on w. dvd's sportstalk one more segment ago. He's up folks. You're listening to sports talking to your tune in every sunday night at eight. Pm on long island wgn broadcasting on ninety five point nine fm in twelve forty or with live online at gb radio dot com stay connected sports dot new york wg by following us on facebook twitter and instagram gbd's sports. You're listening to sports stove new york on long island still. Gp now back to the show and we are back on wgn sports talk for the last segment of our show. Gary hart john tanneries with you. we just had a talk with him. Boil of the rising apple. We talked about the new york mets. We are going to go back to new york islanders. Now when you look at the names john of some of the great thinkers in our world isaac newton is albert einstein. You know it's funny. I was just out in out at south hold over the weekend. And there's actually a place in downtown south einstein squares really cool thing. He actually spent one of his summers out there and actually wrote letters to fdr talking about the fact that the us can possess a nuclear bomb and stuff is really really cool history lesson but like i said we talk about newton we talk about einstein we talked about and i think in the same sentence we gotta add a new name. Yeah i think so. I mean that man is four chrysler. Some have to bow down to the girl. Talk the man among men giant among china among men. That's i was going to be nice to you guys. I really was on. I i put you at the greats. What can you heard about that before. We continue this mess going out to longtime fan of your show. And i'll sock pana terry. Yeah happy birthday. I think you know his text messaging was a little slurry. I don't wanna excessive conditioning. Happy birthday going out there to joe. Go all right all right now. We're we're locked on you. Dude hold on for one more minute voice. Let me help you with that. Little mets with todd. Pleasure is literally half hour from my house. And i was at a game and he was signing as many autographs as he could for the kids and i went down to him and i asked you playing on the mets this year. He just looked at me and grinned. Might come back. i'll be interesting. So there's there's a little bit of insight quote unquote inside info for you see. That's why she wouldn't see. That's why you're a giant among men was brutal. Lock honestly say i you know. I followed his instagram account. And and and todd is is tremendous not only with the kids but he's also great charities community. So i mean he's you know you know people may may get on them but he's a he's great. He's a great match. So i that would be a great Fans if he comes back because he's he's he's one thing he's definitely is passionate about the guys that he plays for pay place with so that's a good thing so all right so let's talk about that. The real reason why you have on this show. Yeah exactly exactly so. We did talk to Gilmartin early and we talked about. Obviously some of the things that are going on. And what's what the potential is. But and i say dishonestly. We talk about paul. Paul is really very versed into prospect pool. You know he. He talks a lot of Scouts and guys and get some some good information and you know before. I had a chance to even mention anything about the draft. Our our second round pick scores four goals in tournament. I'm like oh. We couldn't have fell into a better puddle of mud than what we got in the second round. Talk about second round in third round. Gentlemen but let's let's talk about rats ratto here He was supposed to be in the beginning of the season. He was ranked number one on some scouts. Because i remember reading that way back that his name came from the early. Go number one indiana and from the information restoring to get now He was on a very good carpark team. Which is one of the top finnish teams still and he couldn't adjust from playing with players his own age to playing against men and his numbers drastically went down His minutes went down and he fell out of favor. So what ended up happening. A lot of the Other scouts and the people who follow you know the draft. They all had him at least in the top fifteen. They didn't know one expecting him to up to number fifty two and when he finally fell. This felt like oliver wallstrom dropping into the islanders lap. Back in two thousand eighteen. This has this has adoption wallstrom. Feel now i don't think lotto is going to be as good as all of a wallstrom but if this development is on target you could have a second line version to matthew bars l. Which is saying a lot. It is saying a lot. But i i will say this from what i've been able to research on him in some of the film i have been able to see. The kid has the tools but he doesn't know how to build. If you understand where. I'm going with this. He needs he needs a little more tutelage on how to build up his game. He has all the tool sets he. He needs an instruction manual right hand. But this is where do and company come into place right and if they can develop him. Oh goodness and the way the way things worked out when they did. But i know when i talked to you yesterday in a nice lot of you know writing about it but you know the third pick as you said is even a more more interesting. Pick you know for the islanders. And i know they have to at some point address. The goaltending situation. Obviously we know all of this story about ilias sarokin by. Why don't you just tell us a little bit about the third pick and what that player could mean to the islanders. Potentially down the road well christian lennox is out of Saga big kid. I think he's like six four one ninety pounds right now Good size Did not have a great season. The year before didn't have a season at all last year but there is potential in him For him to be a possible. Nhl backup that supposedly his ceiling and again with sarokin hair for the next. I don't know let's have fun with it for the next decade. Having someone like lennox Again he basically fell into the islanders as well Many many out there had him in the low fifties upper fifties. And there he. Is you know dropping. Way down in the third round so It it it is a gamble. Like i said ontario hockey league did not have a leak. Anything last year due to covert But again bigeye fairly fast. And if you put him in with Mitch corn for a few years. The islanders may have something so It's it's going to be interesting. But patience is definitely a virtue and development is up most importance here especially for this draft. Class tristian lennox. You're looking at a possible backup for the islanders. Or what about the rest of the picks. I've every it seems from what i've read. All the the the picks they really got were really potentially nhl caliber players to a degree Leo can i believe is the other finnish winger. He's a big boy. If there's going to be one comparison to him. I think he's going to be like a matt martin with a little more scoring touch Him Well coup and Raja niemi the other twenty twenty Draft pick from the islanders. They're all on team finland right now participating in the world junior shumur games. Yes yeah So they're out there all playing for Filling right now Which is a good sign but the other players right now. Karen berg He's you know he's in the us development. He's going into college. I'm not worried about him just yet and the other players you know they put up good numbers but the probability of them in the nhl right now is you know not fifty percent so all these kids are pretty much going to need some time to develop and you know. I just don't think you know any of them are going to rich-poor anytime soon. I think you know maybe one of next year now was it hours. Was it more of the fact that you know the most of the canadian and us junior leagues played either a very minimal or almost nose or in some in the case of the oh l. No no schedule that ally. I mean i know how the islander picks it looks like. We're going to call ourselves. The helsinki islanders is it. Just the fact that because of that that most of the picks seem to come from a european or rushing aspect because of the fact that they had actual you know actual leagues in actual play during. You know this this past season record exactly it. That's exactly and what teams had to go through. Was you know games. They had seen the previous year. And i'm sure. They had a ton of june conversations with these players coaches without the scouts so on the they literally took research to another level this year. So i'm sure that whatever. They learned how to scout in terms of research. I'm sure they're going to acclimate that to their system. When it comes to you know scouting these kids from now on so yeah. This is a completely different level. And you're right. it is because bacon. Europe did have more games played this than in canada. Looking at the overall the picks. I mean i. I read in a couple of places and a lot of people giving the islanders a c. for the draft. Would you kind of put that in the same realm whether you think the islanders. Maybe got a couple of guys under the radar. Maybe it's above a see i i. I agree with them for now. I'm going with a seat. Plus and the reason why. I'm giving a c. Plus a when you when you're anna draft the whole is to have two three players making the team the nhl team at some point. The islanders did not have a first round pick this year even though they have gotten the first round of talent in the second round. You're looking at hopefully two of these players making it with the big club. The other ones in all honesty. We just don't know yet now. The possibility of good development from these kids will eventually raise this great up. Probably to a b. or b. plus and the pluses about as high. Is i go because there's just no there's no guarantee of the other ones but for now i give the greatest c. Plus with the with the possibility of that going up much higher saying about five years right know i mean you know the always can you. Don't expect that diamond in the rough come. Ainsley was a six round draft six or seven th round pick. You know you don't expect those guys necessarily to be you know coming into the realm that they did you know it's you just hope. I would assume you know from scouting standpoint. When you're looking at these kids that hopefully they have the summer of their life and work their tails off to right to get to that and make themselves improve that level. And that's all you can hope for these guys. Let's let's switch gears and we have free agency starting in less than twenty four hours There are some names you know falling you know potentially could fall in our laps. Their names that we all worried about you. Know with the name of zeke as or or palmeri being mentioned in you know obviously we hearing zach parisi and suitor and among others. Your spidey senses the you. Did he tingle under a certain guy. At least in your mind you know not not looking at it from when you have conversations others but basically from your mind as to what direction you think. They might go. I think they're all gonna get signed. They're coming to the islanders to be quite honest with you. Because it's in gill said this before in in you know when he was you guys before. The islanders are built for the playoffs. There isn't really a team in the metro division right now. That scare the islanders. Like non philly did not improve. As far as i'm concerned carolina losing their goaltender and dougie. Hamilton carolina has not improved yet pittsburgh and washington or another year. Older the rangers. I don't know what the rangers are doing yet. I'll give chris jerry the benefit of the doubt for now but as of this conversation. I don't think there's a team beating the islanders. At all. And gary you and i and john we've all the three of us have been preaching this. The islanders are built for the playoffs. Which means we may not see this completed team until the tree divine right. Okay so for now. I think piracy comes over. I think casey signed I don't think anyone has to worry about pavilion pelvic or primary. I'm finally going to get my third line of parisi patio and paul. Mary and i as far as the first line right winger. I'm not sure yet. And i think shooter i still think shooters going to sign here and the reason why i said that you know the other teams involved before i know our came up with an article. I think boston was listed. But i think dallas was the prominent team. I mean shooter goes with those other two teams. He's just looking for the money. Yeah i think. I also heard that saint louis just basically dropped out of the bidding. Yeah i mean boston. I mean florida just picked up reinhard from buffalo. The i th the top six line from florida's gonna be monstrous and then you're you're gonna go to boston and expect them to beat florida and tampa bay. Come on good work. And then you're going you know. Dallas how dallas gonna get past st louis and colorado. I'm sorry i. I'm not seeing it so i mean a suit wants to win a cup. He's coming to the islanders. What's your Not sorry for the money. it's all about. What are your thoughts about about the steph jones dealing in him turning around and signing a nine point seven five times seven deal well they still have a couple of players on l. tr so the case okay. Yes that's the case and in all honesty Jonathan taste and patrick kane's contractor over in two years so over the long term. He's going to be the only expensive blackhawk You know i. I think they can afford them As far as islander fans are concerned Back in the two thousand thirteen drafts. Seth jones was drafted with as the best offensive defenseman in that year. The second best defenseman drafted at that time was ryan pork. Yup number thirteen. That's right so if ryan polack racks up sixty points this year. Okay islander fans have a problem. They can be a little worried. Because now i don't think ryan will ask for nine million but if he has a career year navy asking for seven seven and a half million. That's not as the question and remember boys and girls. The cap should be flat for the next two years. Afterwards that's correct. You know it's a very important you know that's the thing you know you gotta you gotta realize the numbers as opposed to the faces and everybody's saying pick him came. Pick him but you have to look at the twenty is on your roster and it's not just a simple as i always say the video game solution and that's it. You gotta look. You gotta look forward and backwards. Yes certain member of my family. Who doesn't seem to understand that there's numbers involved in you know a salary cap and you just can't go out and sign guys because you mean is his first name synonymous with a name like kramden. Yes okay that yeah. And you know for those worried about land scott I'm still hearing right now. It's either seattle or colorado. He may take lesson for you. Know go back to player colorado. I'm not sure yet. I think that's the biggest one up in the area. If i'm him i'm pulling a pin aaron and i'm looking at the best deal and then i go back to the team that i really wanna play for and say look. This is my deal. Can you do with me. Well seattle's got a lot of money. Alright if i correct their darned around like twenty twenty eight twenty. Nine million still. Yeah oh yeah yeah see i. I wouldn't even put the islanders and may maybe in third or fourth place. I don't even know. Landis cogs like desire to play i mean i'm sure saint louis is still up there. We'll see what they do with terrorists cinco. But i don't think they're going to be able to unload him. Nobody's really been interested in him. You know they're kind of staying away in saint louis kind of made the statement that most likely he's going to be with us well armstrong's also have been known to just like the media like that which is why some of us don't even believe that. Okay yeah i. I'm i'm whole i'm keeping terrorists cinco available for now Yeah i don't just armstrong when he says something like that. Because i i don't think there's a tight enough relationship between tarasenko and the blues. That's actually going to work. And then that's going to cause drama on the team. And i i'm not holding armstrong said that at all so i'm keeping tarasenko available for now but going back to land scott for a minute if tarasenko is somehow traded i think st louis becomes the next player in for for so we'll see what happens And again for those who you wanting tear cinco. I kept hearing. That one of the going rates was either adoption or street for tarasenko income wage. So much at this point. You don't have jordan ebony to trade so you're gonna have to give up probably wallstrom to get tear cinco going back to that scenario and let's just. Let's see for sake of argument that you know that tarasenko isn't even a factor in consideration. You and i. And john have talked on our miles talk live. You know that you can get on facebook dot com and twitter and all the other places now that we we tend to. Do you know we kind of laid our position that we felt and we still feel that you know oliver wallstrom keefer bellows and those guys me to potentially start the year in bridgeport with the fact that you lose jordan everley. How much of that scenario is still the same great question. And that's going to give much thought it's john. I love it. Well hold on here. We've got mary issue. Depends on how much we spend on our current players. Excuse me if there is enough taproom you can go short term deal with someone. Like mike hoffman or ryan. Dingle those a year a. options and let's have some fun. Let's say ryan suter does go to dallas. I wouldn't mind bringing in someone like semi vaananen from the anaheim ducks and former new jersey devil. would also fit this system at a much cheaper rate and putting him a scott mayfield. I think it'd be the absolute perfect thing to do If not there's also an out of the box thought of trading. Leo calmer off thomas hickey and auto cueva to the buffalo sabres for skinner. Wow that's an in in the in the respect that buffalo does pay the maximum thirty percent of the cap. It okay so they were a portion of the salad cadillac. They they portion of salary now at thirty percent the islanders would only be paying about six point five year for like the next five or six years. Skinner's make like nine and a half. I think but he's got. He's got the shot he also drives to the net better than everley ever did and that would be setting him up. Yeah standard looked like a lost puppy dog buffalo again. You know guys going going to the dollar instead of going for the deal you know team. What do you think happens to eichel. Just out of curiosity Well i if i read correctly i think that whole deal just fell through. I don't know yeah. I don't know if there's anyone in limbo right now it's jack eichel. What was the what were they dangling. We got an about the range. I mean i heard the rangers were interested. But i didn't see that there are actual names involved other than larry brooks. I didn't know they were looking. I believe there are a couple of prospects. I don't know their names offhand. But buffalo wanted a certain amount of players A couple of specific prospects and the rangers said no and that just dropped everything. So wow yeah. Whoever was in the rangers farm system. They the rangers did want to give them up And buffalo was like okay. Jack i also. We'll see if they go back to that. But yeah jack eichel right now is in limbo. Quite interesting Other interesting to say it just every year you approach free agency thinking you know nothing crazy gotta happen and then you get all these questions and and the potential possibilities and trades and everything pops up and you know it makes you know people like You know the friends of ice line. In isaac newton you know very relevant. You know ten minutes off the air when i get in the car of course of course but i think we should find out about and suitor tomorrow. Yes yeah i. I at least those who by tomorrow everyone else in all honesty island offense. I wouldn't worry about the rest of the team. So they'll be back. We'll just have to figure out the first one. I right wing. Yeah that's got me wondering again. It's interesting it's it's it's a good dilemma. Have as opposed to pass donation. It's good dilemma. To have an and again my coffin for your two were ryan does for a year or two. that's fine. We have a third line to go along with. You know whoever we bring in on the inexpensive side. We'll see what happens. You get you fourth line going so all right so paul again as always we thank you for coming on. Please tell everybody how to get in touch with you. And all the information that you provide to Islander nation. I all talk is I'll talk dot com. You can find us on facebook and twitter. Those names We also have our own youtube channel. So lake and subscribe and you can find me on twitter at p. underscore kreischer and on wednesday. We're coming up with you in another show will go over the draft real quick free agency and what's ahead four. The islanders watercooler talk as well. Oh yes might talk. You know we call you the third wheel between john. I but we you know we. We always appreciate you you coming on. I know through your sunday night. When we're on the air yes he do. I'll give you that okay. We'll talk to you in about fifteen minutes. Thanks guys by again paul. Christ here and i'll make sure you like it. Subscribe everything we wanna think. You'll martin and tim boyle and of course for coming on. Thank brian graves on the other side. Glass he's ready to get out of the studio minutes and john always a pleasure as usual. We're not going to be on until september. Because both john and i are going. We're going to be in the hawaiian islands in the month of august and september which is nice we get away from here and overdue. Yeah we'll be back on. I believe after labor day so that will be. Training can't starts. Nfl starting the mets pushed to the playoffs the yankees while whatever they tend to do. And you know we'll see what goes it's been it's been. It's been a fun summer. And i know. September comes in life. As i knew as i know it goes back to almost normal when i have to commute back to work in the city and you know things are getting back and it's great that sports has been such a a wonderful place to Get away from all the craziness that has gone on in our lives and It's been a great vehicle for us and you know maybe now you know as the summer hits the winter and hopefully things are looking up as far as people vaccinated and getting you know getting back to normal that we see some good things happen you know. 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Whats on Your Foundation - (Pt. 1), 7-18-2021
"Glory be to god forever. I mean if you have your outline. I'm excited about this. I've been aimed at the book of equations. We've done a verse by verse of relations. We've done a verse by versa. The book of james. Which you know you do them and then you go back and men. There's so much more which is awesome. Because you can never exhaust god's revelation and so we're aimed at the book of fijian's but i really believe god wanted me to do this foundational teaching because I believe he said that. Well for example. Just go there for six one. We'll just go there. Hebrews chapter six in verse one therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of christ. Let us go on unto perfection. This is hebrew six one not laying again the foundation hebrews six one of repentance from dead works number one of faith toward god number two of the doctrine of baptisms number. Three of the resurrection of the dead lay hands. I'm sorry the resurrection of the dead and eternal judgment can have those up there. Please hebrew six one. They're six of them. We're going to cover them. We'll go my goal is to get through two of them today but we're going to talk about foundation foundation. You know if the foundation of a building hebrew six one if the foundation of a building is messed up the whole edifice the whole structure of the whole building's going to be a mess. Correct all right now before we get to these. I know i said hebrews six one. Go to first. Corinthians chapter three verse eleven those are foundational principles of the doctrine or the teaching of christ but the foundation is right here. It says other foundation can no man lay except that which is laid. Which is jesus. Christ so jesus is the foundation right. He is the foundation and then they're six foundational principles or doctrines and we'll cover that that are built upon that foundation. How many know that. There's a lot of people in the body of christ who are there in the body of christ they're born again but when they walk is not really based on the person of christ it's more based upon how their performance of their knowledge or whatever it's really not based on paul christ right boy got quiet. They're seriously this is. This is what satan find. I've often said this. And it's so so true the enemy of your soul. The devil does not care what you and i look at as long as it's not jesus christ and him crucified or what he meet what that's sacrifice means so before we move on. I wanna say this to you. I want to give you four four. It's in your outline four attributes if you will four of the things that jesus has accomplished first of all go to first corinthians to two. I mentioned it. I want you to see it for. I have determined. I've made it a choice not to know anything. Among that word save is old english for accept jesus christ and him crucified in other words what that sacrifice means and go to second eleven verse. Three show you this quick. I've often wondered why it says an him crucified ever wondered that nobody. Why have but i. I know here's what he says. But i fear lest by any means as the serpent the devil beguiled tricky through his subtlety. So also your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity. that is in christ now the word. Simplicity has to do what they single focus a single focus go to the next verse for fiba come purchased another jesus whom we have not pre sure if you receive another spirit which you have not received or another gospel which you have not accepted you. Put up with it. I'm paraphrasing the king. James but notice. He says another jesus. Another spirit and another gospel. You know what's fascinating about this. The another in front of spirit and the another in front gospel or the exact same hebrew were or excuse me. Greek word and that word is heterosexual which means another of a different kind of a different kind. Another of a different kind of spirit and another a different kind of gospel whereas the another in front of jesus is a loss. I lost is another of the same kind. It's used for example in matthew chapter five. When jesus said if any men's might you on one cheek turned to him the other cheek. How many know this cheek is another of the same kind amen. So what is another. Jesus i believe that the most subtle deception the most anti christ religious deception is when people preach jesus but they mix you and your merit for right standing with god in that equation. It's very subtle. That's why paul said jesus christ and him crucified because people will talk about jesus moral character talk about his miracles. They'll talk about all the great things about jesus which are true. And we need to declare. That's all awesome. But they will. They will not accept him as the ultimate sacrifice other words. they'll still put themselves into the equation for the right standing with god. That's why i believe in sowing reaping in every area. But i believe it in the area of finances too but you have to understand you. Don't give to get you. Don't give to get god to do something he's already done something. You're already blessed. It's simply an act of faith. That says i believe that. And you understand that faith without corresponding action is then so another. Jesus will preach many truths about jesus but will deny him and go to your outline number one as the ultimate sacrifice. Go to let me give an example. Are you ready go to relations for verse eight. We'll start with glaciers chapter four verse eight. How be it then when you knew not. God now remember what relations is dealing with people gentile people non-jewish people as a whole that had received the gospel and we're putting their faith completely in jesus and then a group of legalist coming in known as judy is irs. Who were teaching like they do today. It hasn't there's nothing new under the sun. That if you really wanna be right with god you need to keep the passover or you need to keep pentecost or you need to keep the day of atonement or tabernacles fill in the blank. They're seven of them. Leviticus twenty three but they all point to jesus or how about this one. The sabbath came. The sabbath isn't sunday so if you wanna today go for it and here's another big truth. The old testament sabbath was saturday in the new testament. Jesus is our sabbath. it's not a physical person amen. That's why jesus was resurrected on the first day of the week. It's talking to guys see in the old testament you work six days and then you rested the seventh day. The saturday if you will in the new testament our sabbath. Jesus was resurrected the first day which means that we go through our sabbath. We work from rest not for it here. The difference now. There's i think it's great to have a day off. I think you need it physically. But if you're doing its thing keeping the sabbath. You're missing the whole point now. This is what paul was thing. He was countering this. Go to verse nine but now state now okay. Now new covenant. Right where we're at after that you have known got rather are known of god. How turn you again to the weekend. Beggarly elements what are those will. He'll get ready. He'll tell you we're into you. Desire again to be in bondage was go the next one. I'll give you an example. You observe days and monson times in years. Look at the next verse. I am afraid of your. I'm afraid for you less bestowed labor pawn you in vain you're going back under an old covenant mentality approaching god based on your merit instead of his which is jesus. I remember working with the guy years ago. He's a preacher. He won't even go to the store to get a soda pop on sunday. And i said and you'll have someone go get it. Aren't you something. He will break the sabbath of blessed. God off someone else. Pregnant human religion is insane. So pass that. I'm afraid of you have bestowed labor. Poignant vein in other words. Here's another example. People feel like they have to do penance. Knows what i'm talking about. How many people when you when you haven't done some writing we've done something wrong. I'm not saying you don't make it right. I believe that bring forth fruits meat for repentance. John the baptist said but but i'm saying listen. I can't go back and fix. I can't undo it. Well i gotta living guilt for two or three days at least no. I'm forgiven the blood of jesus has bigger see. Look at look at this. Go go so jesus is our sabbath. Jesus is our passover go to. I corinthians five seven i'll show it to you first chapter five or seven purge out there for the old leaven that she may be a new lump as your unleavened for even christ. Our passover is sacrifice for us. Jesus is our passover. Jesus is our sacrifice. Jesus our payment for sin go to hebrew stand fourteen. This is why it's good news guys. 'cause it's about jesus and it doesn't stop me about jesus once you're born again just as i am. We come just as we is and then two weeks later the preachers beating you over the head. Because you're not tithing in the two weeks you've been saved it's wrong that's why i love to say if you don't want to give don't i want your heart to be right god's more interested in why we do what we do what we actually do a see. That's why when they thought they were keeping the law. Remember that in. And jesus in the sermon on the mount in the beatitudes and all that stuff and they said in. Jesus i love what he said in matthew chapter five and he said except your righteousness exceed that. Of the scribes and pharisees. You won't enter. In in other words. They had the outward stuff down but their heart was far from him. Amen and that's why he said people say how many people eyewitness to believe i'd go to heaven. I'm why i'm a good person. I've never cheated on my wife. I've never killed anybody. That's a common one i said. Do you have hatred towards somebody. Jesus said that's murder. If you look upon a woman the less that's adultery. See none of us are exam. That's why it's good news. I look can. I show you one thing before we come back to here. Go to matthew chapter five verse. Forty eight and mandy five forty eight. Watch this being there for perfect even as your father which is in heaven is perfect complete. I remember. I preach the message at a nursing home one time and i called it how to be perfect and they looked at check. Who do you think you said. You were looking at perfect splash for me. I'm not saying in my actions. i'm saying because i'm in christ. God sees me as perfect or complete with the more. I see myself like that. Guess what the moral manifest in my life. Satan will not be able to exercise a modifying influence on me now. Back hebrews ten fourteen. I can't spend too much time on this point. We won't get anywhere watches. Hebrews ten fourteen for by one offering he has made complete perfected forever sanctified. That's how god sees you if you're born again as he is sore you in this amen. See these are foundational. Things is my we talk. We took communion when we when we received communion was was basing it upon us her basing it upon him. I'm telling you the reason people get discouraged and the christian life is because they love god they get in there and it seems like sometimes the harder they try to please god and do the right thing the more screwed up they you know they find that man. I'm a mess am i. Am i talking to anybody. And so they give up. They get discouraged and the enemies. Yeah how call yourself a christian look how you talk to your wife. Who do you think you are now. See the way those things clean up when we get our faith in him. The more you see your weakness in the more you feel unworthy in yourself. Run to his perfection. He is the author and finisher not just the author. He finishes our faith to that means we need to abide in him. It's why it's good news. Let me say this again. The gospel does not stop being good news or gospel. After you're born again it's still good news in colossians. Two six says as you have received. Christ jesus the lord walk by in him. How did i receive him. Was they doing everything. Perfect was say everything. Perfect no. I received him by faith rooted and grounded in him and established in the faith. As you've been taught abounding in thanksgiving you know why people aren't thankful now here message. You need to be thankful right. Thank you for this. Thank you for that. They don't have the revelation of what they have. If i give you something and you know you have it. What's the proper response. Thank you but if you don't know you have it. You're going to have to hear lots of messages on how you're not thankful and then you're condemned because you're not thankful enough. The problem is you don't know what you have or who you have. That's the problem. Get a revelation of lord. I thank you. i'm not saying it. But i thank you all. I'm in the word you start seeing all my word. God's says i'm righteous. God says i'm in tune with him. God says holy because of the blood. Of jesus jesus my wisdom righteousness holiness thank defecation and redemption. First corinthians one thirty that no flesh the next verse says should glory your boast in his presence human religion makes it about us so you can brag about you instead of him. So why paul said in. Second corinthians four five. We preach not ourselves. How do you preach yourself while here it is. I remember the preacher years ago. That said i got mine. You get yours. I would rather have your autograph because you're amazing. We preach ourselves but we preach. Christ jesus the lord and ourselves your servants for jesus thing. So jesus the foundation. He's the sacrifice. Jesus our intercessor go to hebrews. Chapter seven verse. Twenty four and twenty five. Everybody say intercessor lance wall now because he said what does that mean you know how he talks faster than me. What does that mean. That means jesus is up. There locked up in i hop prayer room. Who knows what i hope is. It's not international. House of pancakes. Its international house of prayer in kansas city. But anyhow i thought it was funny but this man jesus because he continued to ever has an unchangeable priesthood which means he represents you. And i before god next verse wherefore he is able he has the power he is he is powers released also to save them. The words save means to deliver to heal to protect them. Not just heaven hill. It includes that but it's much bigger. He has the power to save them to the utter most every area that come under god circle that word by him. The word by is the greek preposition de at means to bring safely through to the other side. It contains the idea penetration those who come under god through him. What does that mean through. Keeping their faith in him. Now here it is. Here's the intercession thing. He ever liveth to make intercession for them. Jesus ever lives to make intercession for you know what that means that means he represents me before god and that means i love this definition. Were thin means to miss the mark. Intercession means he obtained by hitting the mark. That's what we say their sin an non-issue between you and god but but it it's an issue in this planet like the person that went to the conference. And they heard a teaching on your the righteousness of god in christ and they left and they've go out there and they were speeding down the road and the police officer pulls them over and said hey the driver said i'm the righteousness of god in christ. I'm right before god. So if i'm right before god done deal. The officer said well. I'm going to give a ticket to your body. amen amen. So he's able to save them to the most that come under god through him because he makes intercession. He's and we're not supposed to be sitting conscious. Did you know that. go to hebrews. Ten verse one. I'll show it to you. Jesus is our sacrifice. Jesus is our intercessor for the law. Having a shadow of good things to come and not the very image can never never never with those sacrifices animal sacrifices which they offered year-by-year continually make those who come or the comers there to perfect or complete next verse for then would they have not ceased to be offered because the worshippers wants purge should have no more conscience of sins but yet we preach sin consciousness we need to preach son consciousness christ consciousness. That's the key next verse for those sacrifices. There is a remembrance again. Made of sins every year old sinner saved by grace. You're just sorry seem. We're not identifying with who we are in the spirit and who we are in christ therefore if you believe that you operate accordingly next verse but it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats should take away sins. We're not under that old covenant. Alright so jesus is our sacrifice. We're talking about the foundation. Jesus our intercessor. Jesus is our apostle. What does that mean apostle means one cent hebrews three one look at this apostle means one cent sent to do what represent god to humanity. Jesus was rep. Sent to represent god to humanity. Where holy brethren i love. How he calls his holy brethern partake of the heavenly calling here partake of the heavenly calling. Consider the word consider being. Set your mind down upon. I'll say that again. The work consider means to set your mind down upon me focused on this on what the apostle and high priest of our profession or confession or agreement saying what god says and who is that. Christ jesus so set your mind down upon the apostle. So what does it mean for. Jesus to be the apostle jesus represented god to man under the old covenant. It was different under the new covenant. Jesus can't look at this go to john. Fourteen verse eight. John chapter fourteen verse say this is phillip sayeth unto him. Show us the father. It'll satisfy us. Think about that. they were. They weren't satisfied with jesus amazing. I love with this next. I says look at it. Jesus sayeth unto them. Have i been so long with you and yet has found not known me philip. He that has seen me has seen the father. He jesus says the apostle of our faith if you've seen him you've seen the father that's why if if putting sickness on people to teach them something was god's will you should be able to go to matthew mark luke and john and fine places where jesus that. I'm going to put this on you to teach you something you can't find it. It's not in there. Because jesus was revealing the father to humanity. He has theme. Espn the father house. They show us the father. Jesus the apostle of our faith if you've seen him you've seen the father in that exciting so what is what is the father looked like look at jesus. Now go to psalm. Two verse twelve. Sam chapter two verse twelve malachi. Three six i am the lord and i changed. Not but some people say well you look at the old covenant you look at the new covenant and it seems like goddess change. God never changed but his way. He deals with ban has because jesus made a difference here the difference and and there's some people say well the wrath of god. It's not a big deal. It is a big deal. We all deserve death. I'll say that again. That doesn't usually go over real good but we all deserve death. Because through adam violating and broken the covenant. Did you know that kiss the sun less. Tv angry and you perish when his wrath is kindled but a little. Oh my my blessed. That's you and me are all day. That put their trust in him. Go to john. Three thirty six see. Jesus represent jesus. As i said earlier he became the sacrificed. he's the intercessor representing us before. God we've obtained by hitting the mark. But guess what else he is. He's the apostle he's been sent to reveal goddess the goodness of god and then to become the sacrifice so the wrath of god. I deserve through. Adam's transgression was put on. Jesus the grapevine of the earth who was cast into the wine press of the wrath of god. So it doesn't have to be on me. I get what jesus deserves. Because he took what i deserved. He believe with on the sun. The word honest into icing greek motion into it's not just acknowledging his existence it's believing into him half everlasting life right now you know what makes abundant life so abundant one of the big things. I believe is purpose. You have purposing him. why am i here. it's in him. He'd believe offended. The sunhats everlasting. He that believe if not the sun shall not see life but the wrath of god abides on him. Amen see this idea. That man's basically good and he just didn't know it so god came to show man how good he really was. And we make this idea of love. Love love love. We make like a partridge family. Driving around in a flower van. And you know that it's just loving you. Just you just condone everything. People know there's rat if you don't know god this this this is why we need to preach. Jesus who is he. That overcomes the world first john five. Hey that believe that. Jesus is the son of god or that jesus came from god and represents god to you and i that he's the apostle of faith but he's also the high priest go back to hebrews three one. This is the foundation. We're gonna going to get the first two foundational doctrines hebrews chapter three verse. One where for holy breath and partake of the heavenly call. It consider consider set your mind down upon the apostle and the high priest of our confession. Christ jesus now watch this go to hebrews chapter five verse one hebrews five one. What is the high priest. How is jesus are high. Priest here. it is for every high priest. Taken from among men is ordained foremen in things pertaining to god that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sin so the high priest was taken from men. Jesus had to become a man right. Four men and things pertaining to god from men that's got has become a man. Everything's done legally this idea that god can do. Whatever he wants is not scriptural. It's all done legally. God doesn't you know there's laws in the universe. Did you know that. Well if god wanted to happen it'll happen. It'll never happen because you have to cooperate if god wants me to fulfill this plan and purpose. It'll just happen. You know because after all god is sovereign god is sovereign if you define it in the right way. But that doesn't mean he's pulling the puppet strings. We have to cooperate. So the high priest was taken from men. Four men and things pertaining to god now back up to hebrew seven colleen so good backup verse twenty two. Because i'm going to shoot down. I'm gonna do this. Quick hebrews seven twenty to watch this for so much better so for so much was jesus made a shirt or guarantee of a better covenant. Glory to god next verse. And they truly were many priests remember in the old testament. They were priests that represented the people before got the high priests represented god to the people are tuned to the apostle represented god to the people but the priest represented the people to god so they were many priests they were not able to continue because of death next verse but this man we covered these two jump down to verse just down verse. Twenty eight last person that chapter for the law. You wonder how to how to tell if legalistic. I'm gonna show you for the law. Makes men high priest or their representation. Bore forgot which have weakness. If you're putting faith in how good you are to represent yourself before. God you're under a legalistic mentality for the law makes men high priest which have infirmity but the word of the oath of covenant which was since the law makes the son who is consecrated forevermore jump to exodus twenty eight thirty six. It's in your outline. Here's a perfect picture of this. You'll see it in the old covenant. Watch this exodus chapter. Twenty eight verse. Thirty six bob smoking back there. There's fingers exodus chapter there. You go thank you. And thou shalt make a plate of pure gold engrave upon it like the engravings of a signet. Everybody say holiness to the lord say holiness to the lord consecration separation. God set you apart for himself next. Verse. and thou shalt put it on a blue lace that it may be upon the mitra the head part upon the forefront of the mitra it shall be shelby holiness under the next verse. Watch this and it shall be upon. Aaron the high priest forehead that aaron may bear the iniquity of the holy things which the children of israel hollow in all their holy gifts and it should always be on his forehead that they the people may be accepted before god. Are you seeing it. The high priest represents me before god and how many upon his four part of his mind drift you will is holiness unto the lord. That's what god sees as he is. So am i in this world. This is why it's amazingly good news. All right the foundation. Jesus he's our sacrifice the passover lamb. He's our intercessor. He represents us he intercedes force before the father before the throne. He's the apostle represents. God sees the i prec represents us to god. Now i wanna talk builders upon the foundation. what are builders go to i john. Two twenty twenty-seven i john twenty twenty-seven and then we're gonna look at twenty six. It's intentionally written backwards. I john two twenty seven says but the anointing which you have received of him. Watch this the anointing which you have received of him it abides in you. You have this anointing it abides in you and it and you don't need any man teach you there. You go is doing away with teachers. No he's not. You gotta read it in context. He's saying but you will know how to judge what you're being taught but as the same anointing teaches you of all things. What does the anointing teach me and is truth. And there's no lie. Okay but what does it teach me even as it has taught you you shall abide in him. The anointing of god teaches you how to abide in him. When i listen to people talk. Sometimes they'll talk about great biblical trues but those trews are not abiding in him. They're abiding in that truth instead of abiding in him. Can you hear what i'm trying to say. They're causing my face to be in my prayer my fast thing or my study or whatever as great as those things are. I study the bible to show myself that. I've been approved. I don't study the bible to try to be right with god or to try to earn answered prayer. Now back up to verse twenty six these things. Have i written onto you concerning the do shoes do you from what to get your faith out of. Jesus are you hearing me next but the anointing teaches you. You don't need it any mantica. This is what goes off on the inside of you. You know. I had it wrote up the other day i was going to do a facebook post on on. I call it doctrinal dissonance. Who's ever heard the word distance. Let me see your hand okay. Distance is when there's a lack of harmony on the inside. You know something's wrong but you can't put your finger on it. You see this. In the first church of emphasis in revelation two he lists seven churches in chapters two and three and the first church says you have tried them would say they're apostles and are not and you found them liars. You know what that says and the greek. These people looked really good. They said the right things. But you just knew something wasn't right. You had a distance on the inside. You knew something wasn't right. And all of a sudden one day you have found them to be false apostles. It's the greek word eureka eureka. I found it. that's it. I couldn't put my finger on it. I recall a number of years ago literally me. I don't think you can't beat is themed if you think. You can't be deceived deceived. This is why you need to stay. In the word. Stay in the holy ghost and be teachable and always read the bible with your jesus glasses on. What does that mean. that means you know. It's always about him. You cannot get off. Course if you will always make it about jesus christ and him crucified as your means of righteousness with god you know but anyhow years ago there was a person i was attending their services. It's been a number of years ago and go to this church and I in some person that i liked and respected was associated with this individual bible teacher and they seemed real smart if they really knew what they were talking about but i would leave their every time some man something. What is this. Lord i pray in the holy ghost a lot. That's a big deal by the way big deal. But and i stay in the word. I'm thinking what is going on here. We'll come to find out this person doesn't believe in there's a literal hell. By the way hells not garbage. Dunk out john. Dump outside of jerusalem. Don't have time to go there. Which i believe you can be a born again and not believe in that but that's a dangerous doctrine because there is a literal hell for those who reject christ. They don't believe all kinds of stuff come to find out their flaming new age. Or and they they keep they keep it under taps and i couldn't discern it at the time just at that time i couldn't serve you know why you know why. Let me tell you why. Because i wanted acceptance you know. People don't become jehovah's witnesses and mormons because ban i was looking at all the doctrines and this doctrine was correct. They don't they get into those groups because somebody love bombed them. Somebody was there. Somebody talked to them. Somebody had answers even if they were wrong. Amen you know i read a statistic. Don't know if it's accurate. Eighty five percent of the people who don't go to church say it's because no one ever invited them. But on saturday morning come on they get mad at me. Because i don't call them jehovah's witnesses. I calm watch star. Witnesses said you're not witnessing jehovah. that's what i do. You witness thing for the watchtower. A false profit organization amen. All right praise the lord so builders upon the foundation. Go to and that's what he talks about him. First corinthians chapter three. I wanna fly. What kind of time. We looking at ten tons of time. All right. don't go yeah. I'm going to skip that. For the sake time. Go to hebrews chapter six. let's go. Let's start these six foundational doctrines. This is what you built upon the foundation or you allow to be built upon the foundation six foundational doctrines look at them. Hebrews chapter six verse one therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of christ. Now let me say this to you. Leaving and i'm going to get into. This does not mean. You abandoned the foundation. How foolish would it be to have a construction crew. Come in and start building your home on an empty lot and lay the foundation and then once they have it laid they go to the next empty lot and start building the edifice or the house. Would that be foolish. What you don't abandon the foundation you build upon it. We'll talk about that in the same manner. If you hired a construction crew to build the foundation on your house you're believing the move into in six months and they're on that foundation for twenty years you might want to consider different construction crew. I know that's deep revelation. But are you hear me. Because i love my friend. Grant fairly says he says foundations are made to build upon not look at and there's many people in the coach grace movement. I guess i'm part of that. I tell people. I'm not. I'm truly the grace and faith movement. Who all about. We're not under the law. See it used to be the confession police who knows that the confession police are you talking about. That's bad confession. Don't say that that's a confession and now you know what it is. It's the grace police. You know what they say that's law that's law that's law everything you do is law. No that's not it. I almost said something mean. But i'm not that me all right so therefore leaving to your outline leaving the principles of the doctrine of christ the word principles watch this. Here's the definition the elementary principles. It's archaic greek. It means the beginning the initial starting point. It means i and therefore chief or the foremost i what has priority ahead of the rest. It's the proper sequence the proper sequences all important so the cart before the horse doesn't pull anything you've heard that saying. Don't get the cart before the horse. Think about if you did that. You're not going to go very far. If i things don't come. First brings disastrous result. The leaving does not mean to despise or banned in the elementary doctrines. The point is that the beginning is not a stopping point. Some churches preach every week on. You must be born again. You must be. It's important to make that available. I agree because different people come in. But you've got to grow you've gotta grow and every let me say this to you. Everything in the bible is there for you. And i even the genealogies which i don't claim to have complete understand. I'm open today to get to the abomination that makes desolate that's powerful. I'm only practiced my wife one time. When god shows me something i'll practice on her to see how well i can explain it and then i'll practice on her again because because it's really powerful when you see it and it's all about jesus it's all about jesus and i used to read that i'd read matthew twenty four. Get the verse. Fifteen is let him that reads understand. I'm thinking i don't understand. Lord what are you talking about well. I started pursuing it. And god started showing me and this ties in right with what we're getting ready to talk about. We'll see how far we get if not we'll get to it next week. All right but look at this. It's so let it let us go on. Let me finish that. It says the point is that the beginning is not a stopping point. It is the door to progress. The springboard to achievement. And there's a quote from my friend grant fairly. Foundations are not meant to look at but to build upon in other words. If all you say is. I'm not under the law and you never step into activating your purpose. You're missing something all right. Let us go on re debt in in the new american standard says that says let us go on and that's in the present tense in other words. Let us continue to grow. It means to move by bearing. It means to be carried. It means let us be carried. Look at that. Therefore moving on lettuce speak carried in the doctrine of christ to perfection. the word perfection means maturity everybody say maturity. Imagine if you It's one thing when your children are one or two or whatever and they're still going to the restroom and their diaper but if you're a normal adult and you're you're thirty five years old. You're still doing that. We've got some issues. Houston we've got a problem. All right not laying again. This implies that it should already have been laid this. I sat with some preachers in our community. Some pastors and i actually made this statement. I go there six foundational doctrines of christ hebrews six one and two. And i'll bet we can go around this room and everybody will have different interpretations on those foundational doctrines. And i said and we're the pastor's something's wrong with this picture a man we're gonna talk about it. We gotta we gotta get into it now. I'm not saying we won't have different ways of saying. That's not what i'm talking about. But we should be unity on these six foundational doctrines and we all should be. Do you know the comeback. I'm gonna show you this. Look at first corinthians. I'll just give it to you. First corinthians chapter one verse nine it says god is faithful by whom recalled into the fellowship of his son. Jesus christ now versus ten says now based upon this fellowship i beseech you brethren that you all speak the same thing that there be no divisions among you but that you'd be perfectly join together watch this in the same mind and in the same judgment which means opinion. Oh my is that even possible not in the flesh endeavoring to keep the unity of spirit in the bond of peace post any fiji's for so back to hebrews six just about down we really are. I'm gonna fly the foundation leaving building on from the foundation of repentance from dead works noticed. it's not repentance from sins. that's mind boggling. I always thought it was repentance from since it's not. The foundation is repentance from dead works. What's that trying to pay for my sins through my own works or trying to merit or trying to work my flesh to come up with what only god can provide by grace through faith. That's what it means. Here's an example. The foundation of repentance from dead works. Somebody made the statement. I went to church and it made me feel so good. Think about that now. I'm not saying there's i believe in feeling good that's wonderful. I love that. But if i'm basing my gods pleased with me now because i did this religious activity. God's please with me. Whether i go to church or not now you need to go to a good church. I agree with that. But not so god's finally off your case amen. This is foundational repentance. Everybody say repentance. It's a greek word. It means they change of mind meta neue. It's two part turning away from and turning to. What pleases god. And what pleases god is faith and his son hebrews eleven six people say know they think repentance from from san is thin but it's really turning to him if you turn from something instead of turning to someone you're going to struggle with what you turn from. Are you hearing me. This is the problem deuteronomy. Six twenty three says. God brought us out to bring us in every time god tells you to do not to do some negative behavior. He tells you what to do in its place. For example fijian's five eighteenth says. Don't be drunk with wine whereas excess or unsaved. This is what the greek says but see. That's what the church they stop there. Well don't drink wine and get drunk and they stop right there. That's not what god says he says but instead be constantly filled with the spirit speaking to yourselves in psalms in hymns and spiritual songs singing and melody your hearts unto the lord. He tells you what to do instead. This is why you can't. You can't get rid of thought until you replace it with another thought him. Amen okay. here's one everybody say. Red apple red apple red apple. Okay now. I'm to preach on apples. I don't want to think about apple's okay now. Let's talk about apple's who struggle with thinking about apples. But if i said hey that apple stuff that ain't no good so we're gonna talk about bananas and we started talking about bananas and you get focused on bananas. Guess what. you're not thinking about apples. Yes i'm done this so many times. I mean some secular song. I'll have a flashback. And i'll think of balls to the wall by accept or something man that's a cool song and i'm thinking and and i'm thinking about that and i'm thinking how can i get rid of this. I can't think of seeing ali lou to the lamb like they saying last week with an awesome. And if i start thinking about that all of us then balls to the wall just kind of falls off the wall. If you know what. I'm saying so turn it means to turn to something. Let's look at hebrews chapter twelve verse to just about done. Hebrews chapter twelve verse two looking onto jesus stone how to run your race looking under jesus the author and finisher of your faith who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross despising the shame and has set down on the right hand of god. The word looking is a greek word and unto his into looking into jesus the author and finish of our faith looking means to turn the is away from other thing other things and fix them on something means to turn away to fix upon something else. Amen it says in hebrews chapter eleven verse fifteen truly. If they had been mindful their mind would have been four of the country from once they came. They may have that opportunity to return in other words. When you won't look at look at lot's wife she kept looking back became a pillar of salt. I believe that when if you don't turn to something repentance is turning away it's turning to and in the process you turn away from the negative all right so it's repentance from dead works or self trust is another way to say it jumped down to back to hebrew six one. We're gonna land here. I take that back. Hebrews nine fourteen and then we'll go back the hebrews six one. We're gonna finish this. Hebrews nine fourteen in repentance from dead works faith toward god faith upon god it talks about the blood of bulls and goats and then in hebrews nine fourteen. It's how much more shell the blood of christ who through the terminal spirit purge offered himself without spot to perjure conscience. That's that sense the violation that you've you've broken see man man knows there needs to be a sacrifice you know. That man has an intuitive knowledge. That i've missed it and something sums. There has to be a sacrifice so if your conscience hasn't been purged by the blood of jesus you'll make your own works the sacrifice you'll make your own good deeds or many other things but how much more shall the christ. The blood of christ who through the eternal spirit offered himself without spot. Watch this purge your conscience not from sins but from dead. Watch this so now you can serve the living god got. We're not redeemed from works. Were redeemed from dead works. Were ordained a good works but it starts on this foundation many people there. They're active for god but they never conscious never been purged from dead works so they're still doing stuff to try to gain a sense of worth. Many people ministry can be about you now. God accepts me because i got a successful minister. Got this going on her. I got this now got accepts me many ministries are like that. There's big time ministries. I heard someone say he got around some of these big ministers and there's some of the most insecure people on the planet because their faith is in what they're doing for god their conscience has never been purged from dead works to serve now back hebrews six one and we're landing. I want to see. I want you to see how close these are knit. These first to notice the first one is repentance from dead works and a faith toward god. Look at the word toward the word tortoise the greek preposition epi it means upon you cannot have your faith upon god. If you've never repented of dead works it'll be on you now. Our scripture danny. I peter one twenty-one but we're going to expand it this time. I've talked about this verse a lot but i'm gonna go to verse twenty two. This is amazing. Watch this first. Peter one twenty-one your faith cannot be towards god if you've never repented from dead works if your faith is still in your works or what you do for god to be right with him you will not have your faith on him now. Here it is. This is the verse. Then we're talking about. I've used this a lot. Who by him. The word by is the preposition. It means through him. We believe in god. Now my question to you is how do i believe in god. Is it through the mayor of jesus or does or is it through the performance. Me see i pray a lot. I see god a lot in fact now more than ever you know why because the more understand. It's about him. The more free to be who i am. The bible says pray without ceasing. That's exciting who threw him. Do believe in god. so it's through. Jesus i in you know you can believe in god. Outside of jesus. The bible says in james chapter two verse nineteen. You believe. there's one god you do. Well the devils also believe and tremble. man you ain't got anything the devils they believe in the existence of got. That's not what he's talking about. He's talking about how you relate to god who threw him do believe in god that raised him from the dead and gave him glory so your faith and hope my being god see if we don't repent from dead works. Your faith will never be in god. If you don't repent from your works you will not believe in in your works to be right with god. You'll never have faith in his work to be right with god. Now go to the next. I first peter one twenty two thing. Yeah purified your souls. Your mind your will in your emotions. In obeying the truth through this spirit. Through the power of the spirit of god onto unhypocritical ron vein love of the brethren. See that you love one another with a pure heart fervently next verse being born again perfect tense present state is a result of a past action with continuous results. Being born again not of corruptible seed but of incorruptible by the word of god that liveth forever that live within abida forever next verse since all because you believe in god through jesus and not you for all fleshes as grass and all the gloria man is is the flower of grass the grass withers the flower thereof. Follow away but the word. The name of the revealed word of god endure forever and this is the rim of the revealed word of god which by the gospel is preached unto you or the greeks which is preached unto you as gospel which makes it about jesus and his representation of you and i before god and not ours. That's why it's good news. I get excited. That's why i'm excited about this book. You know i went through it. And i thought oh my word. It's we're talking about. Jesus i see it my friends from the gray skies amorous that. I wish i had that book thirty years ago. Because i'm telling you guys. I started reading the book of revelation. Shortly after i got saved in december nineteen eighty-four. And i read it. And i said oh my word. Blessed is he revelation. One verse three. He reads he hears. He keeps her guards. Those things sherman there in own word. I can read it. I went to foreign l'armee. They taught us that i can do that. Part of it but as far as hearing in understanding it. Then i got down all the charts you know the chart. I heard someone say that. The reason the lord's delaney is coming because he's given some of these bible teachers times to repent of their charts. I've always thought it's because jesus was trying to figure out our charts. Now jesus is coming back and i strongly believe that but one of the revelation of jesus christ is a singular by the way it's thinking of revelation what it's about jesus one of its revealing him. What if it's good news. What if it talks about the judgments of god and that you don't have to face them. Because the great viney the earth jesus was cast into the wine. Press of the wrath of god. And you don't have to face that because he faced in for you count me in baby and by the way. This is an al toit. It's not a drug or speed. Don't need any speed. That's for sure louis. Ilya praise god so we talked about the first two. The foundation repentance from dead work connected to faith upon god the next one will be the doctrine of baptisms the laying on of hands the resurrection of the dead and eternal judgement and those are powerful. But when you and i understand these foundational doctrines. I'm telling you the bible opens up. You know. i mentioned this. I'm going to try to do this. And we are landing the abomination that makes desolate of which daniel referred to mathews account. Speaks of daniel referring to mark's account does not and i'm thinking what is going on there. What is that. I was reading it this morning. Daniel chapter eleven and talks about the king of the north and the king of the south and study this and the saluted kings. And all this coming down. But here it is in a simple nutshell and daniel chapter eleven will back up daniel. Nine twenty seven talks about him causing the sacrifice and ablation to cease. That means the offering. Who did that. See some people think it's well this. This guy is going to rise up. He's the anti christ. They're going to rebuild the temple on the temple. Mount and he's going to set up they're going to re implement the animal sacrifices in the nation of israel which if they do that that will be a national proclamation by physical nation that we reject the messiah god would not inspire the apostle paul and second thesselonians chapter to call that a temple of god. I said that fast. You have to get the cd. But i said i said so. They say this and they say daniel nine twenty seven. Is this guy halfway through this. The seventieth week he's had causes sacrifice will at the animal sacrifices deceased. I don't believe that i believe in. Jesus christ he's the one that caused the mosaic system to cease and reading daniel chapter eleven. It talks about the kings from the north. Come down in defiling. The temple of god and in daniel eleven thirty one it says they caused the sacrifices to cease the daily sacrifices. Why and why was that. In abomination and then josephus the jewish. Your story insists they offered swine or pig upon the totally polluting and defiling the temple see because the sacrifices ceasing under the old covenant was an abomination it was idolatry because that was man's approach before christ came but keeping the sacrifices that's why says let him that reads understand. I'm doing this fast. Okay he says when the continue doing the animal sacrifices under the new is an abomination because the sacrifice some those sacrifices this come in his name is jesus and that's systems done can see it better than i can say it. That was my second practice. Run and i'll go a lot slower when we do it when you see it you see it. That's why it says. Let him that. Reads understand because causing that to stop under the old covenant was an abomination was idolatry. It was covenant treachery. And you read it daniel eleven. He talks about defiling the covenant. It's all around those verses but in the new covenant if we continue to sacrifice for a right standing with god whether it's animals our own personal merit that's an abomination that makes desolate or lifeless amen because the life is only increased. I'm stopping praise. God thank you. Jesus feel sorry for my wife. Could face. And when i try and i'll say i'll try it again. We'll see how we do. But you really have to go to and you have to look at it. I i've made a policy with the holy spirit of me. I'm just. I'm just not going north things as well. We're just not meant to understand that. That's i'm just. I try to avoid that and i'm not gonna force a meaning. I try to watch that too. But i am going to allow god to teach me because i believe there's a less than i need to learn in with what he's trying to communicate with me. All scripture is for you and i and god wants us to understand and it all points to one man the son of god. The god man. Jesus christ amen but see. That doesn't mean you get bored. Because you see 'em from so many facets you begin to see the breadth length the depth and height and to know the love of christ which passes knowledge. So you and. I can be filled with all the fullness of god himself amazing stuff.
Tape #28 - The Punisher (1989)
"Greetings everyone and welcome to another unique episode trash types. I'm you'll hatch bold the host of this pile of audio trash broadcasting right here for my isolation station late at night wondering when i can finally leave an embrace by overlords this is another lost. The original ending of season two and the conclusion of our summer of superhero schmuck. It was meant to then lead into our halloween episode. Full build up to a great festive special. Obviously that didn't happen so what happened. There were several reasons why this episode ticket didn't make the cut and how this kind of lead into a very short hiatus for myself and ed. Firstly i just wasn't happy with the production this thing back to previous episode during the pandemic era when most of them have done on dischord. I was starting to hate phone. Call tinny sound that was coming from my side of the recording with these technical problems it sound unprofessional and sure while we have gotten used to that type of production. Because of covid you could hear it everywhere. Peru television interviews and other podcasts. Just was becoming more difficult to me to handle it to mix it to edited and to create something. Good as you will hear on this episode there are moments my vocals are magically transforming into an older to plug in luckily now as you probably joining the monica episode. The start of season free. We have now found a new way for to record the podcast and provide a clearer back to sound no more robots here no more spending hours and hours on end mixing making sure it sounds right. It's so much of an easy process. So this means you might actually getting a lot. More episodes on the way second reason was well. I was actually burnt out those the new tier restrictions here in the uk and changes to my place of work. My workload was starting to pile up in unique ways and needed my focus. I was no feeling that creative energy that this show needs to survive watching all these terrible movies on a biweekly basis. I began looking into other avenues Such as streaming enigmatic play twitch channel making original video content providing support on social media and other side jobs alongside my teaching to get that satisfaction. I need it. I went to new year and a new me which maybe i called remember. Christmas was a blur of losing cheese. But i'm wanting to put my dedication into the trash tapes and more terrible movies to explore and hopefully with a great handful of guest company at an eye on this mountain heap of bad vhs. So what is this episode. Well let me now present to you for your ears. The bone crushing event. frank castle. save us children in the nineteen eighty-nine london pressed punisher enjoy. Just gonna say something. This one thing. I just realized from at least will also watching this is that really really are have actually seen a lot adults london movies. I just realized it because seems back catalogue. I have seen any of it. Yeah no i mean. I've seen universal soldier. And i've seen that we'd while he's got the color white told you about it before. And he's like he's like. This is like a container lorry container smashes and all can all milk inside the container. And he's like freaking out in milk doth london is scared of milk full. I don't think so this is a i totally told me. Don't ludger skate. A milk were about experience Welcome to another episode of the trash tapes of what man's trash commands treasure. I'm your host johansen bowl victory pain. I am joined by my victim and dj and would be during pretty well dude. How you doing nope. We now. Sort of the in custody of summertime where Let's on the line. I am going out much so obscene so that like ways to do something like unhealthy. I'm just waiting in terra boxer. Shorts just think A lot on. So i'm just gonna lie here. We're fine we allowed our jiechi bocaccio. It's actually babe quite hawks. Normalize actually quite often so they could get away with dark chocolate away with is gonna be a slow. It's sad actually because of the whole pandemic situation that we haven't really had an opportunity to have a superfund summer like most of like like most of us rates out. Yeah yeah he's a shame and we haven't had only the big summer movies we've had the just a little. I mean i think the the newest movie there's one movie that came out as new because tanit. I went to see that but in terms over the summer. You get the big. It's like superhero movies. And that's why we're doing this this series isn't it a superior podcast episodes but his normally in the summer you get all the superhero movies and stuff like blockbusters a whole bunch. Got none of this none of it. So this ends dispatches the loss from we're doing because we hadn't planned out but was wearing though we're going to of the month focus so we are With rich off this many summer a trio going back to marvel. We've gone to grits here. We've got be ducker. We've got a bit more gory. We've got a bit more punchy lane. Johnson we're doing the nineteen eighty-nine dose luxury version of the punisher. If society won't punish but guilty he will see this board here every time he killed. Somebody put a red written so far only thing though at the show for calling card here hole punch telling me tell you something about this punish if he ever show up within one thousand gods of meat. You'll find out what the word punished. Readingmeet he defends the innocent. But if you're guilty he gives a warning shows. Mercy develops this struggle told louis gossett junior happy healthcare punisher justice with a vengeance. Okay dove london's the punisher now festival What's your memory of this movie. Because i only really remember it vaguely before watching it again on late night television sets even then i thought i was making it up. So so what do you think. My memory is only of seeing the vhs cover in the video shop Just seeing it thinking. That looks good. But i at the time he was eighteen. I couldn't see it. Like i wasn't i was allowed to see sometimes allowed to see fifteen's never eighteen when i was a kid so i i just i kind of miss the boat on so it was in was in video shops a little bit later thinking about sort of like ninety one maybe maybe nine thousand nine hundred one of one of those weird movies. Actually they actually was released earlier in europe and stuff and it came out late in the in. America came and ninety one in america. I think as an awesome job you saying before. But this explains the reason. You're telling me multiple ways to watch this movie mahmoud available youtube sneaky but it's pro vhs quality nothing. Great if you try on amazon prime you said like oh if you call me what chip because it's dubbed in jamming but the reason why is because that was the first play. Zeke appropriately premiered. Yeah yeah it was in germany. So yeah the is gonna fast and it's and it was. He said he had pretty much a worldwide theatrical release apart from the us sweden and south africa. Apparently say and we'll go into the reasons. Why because it's kind of interesting. What happened last Yeah this is a movie that i only ever saw on television late night crossing through as a kid i know really show what it was because both for reasons will play later underneath even think. It was a movie for the longest time. So we'll go right into the punisher is a nineteen eighty nine mac. Max movie directed by mark goldblatt Which was starring. Dolph lundgren right. He's playing the titular character of castle aka punished like it's based off the mall with character of the same name but they were a few changes The film changes quite a few things about the character Do you know actually any of those instant changes before we kind of show you what happened. the biggest one probably his family is killed in a car bomb in this movie which was meant for him whereas in the comics that killed because they witnessed a gangland execution in the park in central park. that's that's how they re region so the completely transformed the origin of like how he becomes the punisher and doesn't wear the school logo it's all. es yes. Egypt has on the data doesn't it. That's the time you see. Yes these knives in school on the knife and that's the only real yes and also there's another minor one. The fact that inevitably rides a motorbike in the comic. But it's a massive thing to ride a motorbike in this movie you just because it looks cool but it's not what the point does he doesn't have a by can but also full on top of guys. Well frank castle is supposed to be They never really played off the whole expiries rain in this movie they accuracy push fall moldy idea that he was yeah anything else but he was an ex cop when really he was realistically the whole thing off thinking the original one. It wasn't really a call just came back from being an ex marine you witness the gang violence thing but above party is still now you. Yeah he was he was never called. It's all in the comic that i've just started that and if you read upon the synopsis of the movie it says ex marine frank castle but it never mentioned in the movie that he was an axe marie. Yeah he just looked just sounds like a disgruntled cop. So if you combine those together at the back of the punish is a motorcycle like a harley davidson The fact that the skull on the actual sheds which is his actual logos the fact that they never mentioned that. He's a marine all the facts that he's you know and also the the origin story of his family was different combined together. It doesn't sound like punish soon. Wonder when i was a kid. I'll browsing through. I didn't even know this was a punish. The look sound like it now. it also lives in the sewers. like teenage mutant ninja turtle. I don't know whether that was the thing in the comics think. Well i think he lived in the sewer. I lived in underground basis thing but it was actually in the sewer myth maybe details whereas time to give it back. Maybe thought gave me the tail thing. I've even the in the sewers. We got to talk about the su- when we get to it because what is even that will get to it in a minute. So yeah Was basically the the punisher as we all if we added one knows the punisher character. That's what it is and it's interesting. The movie didn't really stick with it when other twinkie. Mabul but when we do the cups. America said how we looked at how mobile didn't really do very well with face because they don't really they don't really know what to do with their property so because they because marvel was very broke quite a lot of the time They would sell. They would sell so like a whole bunch of stuff bunch of the characters in. Ip's over to sort of to anyone down with us for it is good. But here's an interesting one point. The company was actually a actually was with actually owned by production company. Cold newall pitches so new pictures Actually bought actually almost like to- owned marvel at artists Photronics folks. i'm trying to get movie. Productions activists rights who bought. They actually bought the company. The company the characters for a couple years prior writings actually bolted but a low of the agreements beforehand like recaps in america. A few others would dump beforehand. So that's why captain america happened. A whole bunch of wisdom happened in the eighties because again they would just frivolous like stanley and they were not going like you. You have a character you have a character. You have a character character but we don't have any leftover so that's when you will pictures came in the company i the characters and try to go for that so they say what can we do. Not yet okay. Well we're going to try the punish now. Honestly the punishers good idea especially jounieh tastes because the premise of the punisher in general just looks like a generic eighties. Action shooter yet. I think delve London even joked. It's like terminator meets meets batman and is like this laughing about too but it kind of is isn't it. This movie is like that. It's totally is because it's kind of feel labatt match with the whole i'll be back shoots on the terminator in practice won't point you. Could almost you can almost imagine dole flunkies like the leather jacket. And everything else you said. You are basically being terminator robot. You all recyclable. becauses Kind of matches it as well to be frank frank intended. I didn't even know. I said it's It's pretty bad. Now here's another thing as well apparently holdings skull as well Despite apparently that was a great route Modeled and actually grants the filmmakers the use of the skull ago but the clinical buckshot. She was supported actually support. The production of bill was involved so a lot of consultants. The only reason why it wasn't done because basically the filmmaker the party those this hearsay she said is his says. She said concentration westerlies. Oh we allowed in full quality but they they were doing what we were saying. Rights like stanley called pox. Anton blanco from mobile was like oh. We had a they weren't doing. We were saying contradicting. They won't following what we're trying to do the vision. That would try to filmmakers thing. These guys really limited themselves a lot and say like well. You can't have this list like this apprentice. You do a one point and his thing. Stanley actually said and i quote. He wasn't very happy with the movie wasn't very happy the first time round with the first because he thought it was too violent. Filmmaker actually said. But it's the punisher what do you expect y- apparently The director are still doesn't regret not using the school leg because he he it was his decision not to use it. He wanted it to be more of a serious look like he didn't think image of punishing the comics was kind of like a spandex of full body tie outfit with a big skull and he wanted like more realistic. Look but the trouble. Is this contradiction there because a movie is dead cheesy and yet he's got a series. Look so why not just go full on cheesy. Because you've already with the actual the way the movies put together. So but you've got. The serious looks as contradicting itself. Really interesting with the early. Either -tations of these characters that eventually get adopted writer right like for example when you look at things like the captain america movie from the nineteen nineties and look at the one dun-rite recently. You can see how they would try to do something like that. Yeah but failed a little bit and then he just made a little bit cheesy with it. If you look at the recent partial tv series which is quick plugging. We did do a video discussing seniors. it can look at his version of punisher. You know it. but it's good to flip pence. Go along you know like his skull like this protective bulletproof vast amount looks tool and it still looks like the comic by removing the skull. Like i said. I had no idea. This was a punishing movie until well until longest time because this it felt like a very generic cookie cutter ninety eight action. What yeah. I mean if you see the only if you remove the the punish attacks from the poster you wouldn't know it was appointed punishment because he's got similar kind of look like you. The magic punish looked like but he's got he's the bike is on the poster and stuff and he's got like it hasn't called the skull so nothing and the only thing that makes punisher is the big tax that the same as a comic. This has the punisher. But that's you removed. Yeah he's just not the punisher is yeah. The iran the series did included the skull. Because that's what fans wants to see. They want to see him with the school on his chest. You can make it really. It's just you'd have to be clever. How writes in. Don't you mean he's had spray. Painted a flak jacket and absolutely awesome great. But i think the leading but it comes to like the ages of nineteen. I just think filmmakers from ages of especially like we don't really know what they're doing with thing we're going to be different and they try something so away from the source material because clearly comic book superheroes would not taken seriously the ages of nineties and even when they were they were really even then the second batman movie off like the comic book full on tim van by that point just like the pain win is actually a person who has edge ads. The cat will gets count powers like be lifted scratched by thousand cats. But okay i mean. I have a big tim burton. I'm not perfectly happy with production this movie the time there's no there wasn't any hiccups. Allow people generally thought that this was actually doing okay. There were very into it. And so on dopey. London actually did a little bit of a little bit of research into the punisher. Actually goes eight. Brother is another interesting thing not like. Nowadays people seem to be reading of characters uncomfortable characters. They play like ryan reynolds. Very much into dead. Cool always was into deadpool beforehand You can see how some catches ratifying them already know dot source material etc dope. London wasn't a big wasn't very much into the comic opera. Beginning did a little bit of research but then did his own separate little thing and that's as well it was. It wasn't look see science. Not look into the answer frank castellinis notifications and everything else. He saw to look at earn. Other kinds of vigilantes literally people who decided to go on mergers rampages on the route which is cray buck. No don't use actual like mass massacres. Ask your influence dove now. I mean if you're just talking about dolphin genital why his portrayal frank castle. He's acting he's off in this movie and like he do like he's look everything. I said that he looks like the punisher and he. He's the tone of his voice is awesome but he just he's just the words actually come out with that tone. The way he delivers even to make changes to those like we will go get onto it in a minute. Kind of monologue. Bits voice over in the sura. He actually had to adapt the script so you could save them. Because i wanted it to sit lie. They had to be changed so that he could actually say the words like and deliver it right but it still sounded a bit off even with him changing it so yeah because i think he's basically because he was saying. This is not what i would say. Unlike nowadays people do actually like noname actors have actual scriptwriters own sets. So many look at someone when someone brings like a script and goes like Like will smith goes over to Excuse me what i would say is like yeah. The character would say that. But no i'm will smith Will smith say that so script rewrite this the well smith place satellite more like little smith this legit true will smith of a script that changes to make it sound more. Like will smith definitely. It's this is the dove. Luxury took it to his own hand. Say well i say they're south bulges. Say this instead priority. Hoffa was at least as so great. Suppo law all saddened by in general his performance. It's like he was channeling like a lethargic mopey teenager. he's like really tired and like full of angst. Everyone's everyone is acting the socks a lot of time around him. Like you've got some louis gossett junior using academy award winning actor who plays jake the partner. The ex partner. He's absolutely awesome. And i've got a clip of the scene they share and we'll get when we get to that. Bail play that clip. But he's acting socks off and like dolph lundgren's just kind of being mopey forever. And he's got nothing to like about. South london went without sleep for the entire The production to achieve the frank castle. Look is that a rumor that or actually five honestly believe it. Yeah and again like people would breast was run down. But he doesn't seem like he's depressed. You just seems like he's actually back. It just seems absurd side. Doing good this. It's pretty quiet. Hoffy isn't a when when Jake partner the sam is that is it sound more like yeah when she. She's telling him something. It's one point east. Huffy back to and he's just responding to her. It's just like angst another thing as well. I didn't say i'm to look in. The anxiousness is let has a fake beard designed the fate to make his face look more like a skull which is already dumb enough as it is but combine that with lack of sleep and combine that with what he decided to do in order to get to get into shape for this movie which he went back into his karate regime remember. He was a martial artist right. So you went back into this strong rigorous training regime months before the movie kicked in but imagine trying to work out a really rigorous karate retain combined with lack of sleep using your main source material. Not frank castle but actual mass mergers combined together. I bet you've got waived off. London masses your god. It's vessel release the movie whoever without a hitch. The movie who really was actually originally how to catch one hundred minutes so because it was purely hope prologue that was removed from the movie which was actually the whole like hoping at the beginning which was like the whole frank castle family merger situation yet was actually filmed prior ridgely also. He also included a sort of a sting operation which would include a little a few which actually included a few carts recurring curry such as for example. The partner of the of the other call. So the woman accommodate name calling anybody's name this roofing her characters. Som- larry played by nancy. Yeah play by nuncius. it did you. There's a line that they say. For example at sam actually Put us that sound like you when some still give to the guy and say like sting operation that we worked on before a single racial before Undercover was the hooker. right right. yeah look. It was in the prologue. Yeah so in other words the most of paying off and more things and so on and bowl like a development of time but that was be released as well as a little extra tidbits and scenes in between that was cutoff mostly because it was I think trying to. I think sometimes said owes pacing issues but actually a lot of people said one hundred. Minute cuts actually works better narrative late which i'll let the In mike mike gripes about ryan. I imagine a lot of that stuff was done. Because of the popularity things lethal weapon. What will the cop type storm. The movie isn't supposed to be about the pope's and i. It's i dunno i auto now. Oh goodness gracious. The film was given a general of the actual release except in free play. Interfaces you mentioned the film was originally slated to pull the us release in nineteen eighteen million as were created by new wells promotional film. It was primarily in germany and in france. Nine hundred ninety nine and it was shown months later in the los angeles county call Los angeles comecon right in one thousand nine hundred building never got a wide mostly because new welt You will actually was in such financial difficulties and they heard about appointed lost all interest in the product. So it was sold to a company called live entertainment. Which is now called lionsgate a. k. a. native such release as director to direct to video ad vhs laser disc in nineteen ninety-one. Which is why you were saying. Oh wait a minute i. It was later than expected. He's ninety nine to ninety one. That's the reason why okay. So the reviews critical reception. The film was get was received. Mainly negative reviews. The melvin held up twenty eight percents on tomatoes on about a three point. Five out of ten on average. Do you agree with all the most part yes. I don't think it's a good movie you told that. I i think this like we discussed the beginning. I think we recording poi- light is only little elements of golden. This the rest of its either doe or just like really by by the acting throughout is terrible and it's just yeah i think it's quite cheesy which alike now in general should get a bad review. Because it's not very good. Well let let's see what some of the critics said so it was is despite the the indestructible doth london with across style. Which will get to. The crossbow of the punisher is a boring woman over never ending action sequences right. That's one way. I think i can agree with that. Christopher no gave the film one out of five stating the film was marred by cheese. Full set special effects lame fight sequences and some of the worst acting. Ever to disgrace the scream. Wild has harsh. I would goes out the. I know i had pretty. I definitely seen worse acting. Yes so bad for an action movie. We'd how it can be called boring even though it's lights wall-to-wall action sequences. I think that crap though the actions the is really bad. So i mean we'll get to the mess week to the paul christ blink All things here's a thing Del some movies later wrong Late term late magazines. I've given it a second. Look because you know this this handsome distribution blaetz run in life like for example. It was finally premiered in the united states on on on the big screen in two thousand and eight. Wow i ever had a release in cinemas even if it was just a couple of conventions Properly right and like even again where it is even on that one and a few other ones in two thousand nine and two thousand ten dopey. London even made apparent so he was actually doing this. The theater sack it's around that time yet which explains his career But because of that's quite a few people started to evaluate movie and actually gave us appraise on frozen at. You is wall criticized. The film's storyline acting time out magazine actually concluded the film was destructive reprehensible but marvelously a tv guy. This is the most praising. I think i've seen Tv guides movie gave it three out of four stars. Wow pray sitting dolph lundgren's portrayal. The character and competitor is asians with the punishment to frank miller's reimagining batman mind. Okay what in the dark knight returns. Yes yeah i think. It's not good overheating. I know that feels wrong. Delight your dot is. That's really pushing the ball. Quite yet is no no it. It reaches outs giving they slip them some money. It's just like the look especially tv guys. We've got this movie in circulation. We have to keep playing on tv really praise. Yeah we need the ratings cab on. Say something odd. It's ridiculous that's real actually I mean he does have it does. It does have a great atmosphere. I will give it that in his phone in places so i would agree with those two points but the fact that he's competitive like the frank miller doc through batman just click now old. That's pretty much all the intense developments except one little thing in one thousand nine hundred sixty four page. Comic book adaptation off. The movie written by colts. Who was made later model was released by the so. There is now a a an actual is now officially the movies. Technically cannon a comic book full because it's an adaptation of it. That's following the actual frank castle and some of the backstory etc. They obviously changed it. But it's mostly the gangster stuff on the into play with With with and be the man in the middle current situation is interesting. Which which is the thing to me. I think like okay. The premise for the movie which will get to second. Yeah works kinda i'm This this fall mole like it. Needed to work actually quite got rewards. I'm into comic and probably dumped better so that we go Right you're fully kickoff. We're gonna find it go to bed or we're gonna go. I'm pretty much do the synopsis. If that it's it's actually any officers in this thing because that we got okay. There's a few of as actually on. I've debate some of the cheesiest bulls quite tempted to do the one. That's really over-elaborate A main md by the white so is whether whoever wrote this it okay. So i'm on the great voice for this because it sounds like Voice go with it so So he's cities wanted and most mysterious anti yes killed one hundred twenty five the last five years. He's the punisher or man weapon against crime in reality punisher frank castle and it's got whose family was murdered mobsters i strikes back from beyond the grave killing mobsters when wherever they can't find as a result of this the monks of families a weekend forcing gianni franco one of the leaders. One of the leaders of one of the basic terminated. Take control breakthrough as a plan to bring the families together is what anita unit. However this is attracted the attention of yakuza asia's most powerful crime syndicate who's decided to take over the families at all their interests in order to sway the mobsters. 'cause they kidnapped loved ones and that children now the punisher must fight to save the lives of the only the children of the people he fought against five years. Go at the same time fight alongside them to kill is family and everyone wants solid mess. Wow actually off my voice. Don't bit croaky. the. I don't know how much greg keep voice for bad so we've thing like this again. If you got rid of anything. Frank castle related. This is any generic vigilante movie. It almost feels a little bit like a death wish movie. Yeah or like cobra. If cobra wasn't a cop anymore this this was a sequel to cobra yet. Also as a cobra sequels facilitated. Say like i was kicked off the force of beach who hard core saddam do my own vigilante justice without the caps and says thanks for both sides that what we actually got up and we have by the way. We have reviewed cobra movie. So if you wanna check out everything you can do the best. Which is this is weird us. James bombed like which is this music. I just played it. Played it while you're doing. The synopsis is is basically yet. It's almost like like alvin hitchcock's vertigo something like read. My old school like graphics like very so like psychedelic colors while this music in the background and you just see random we'd like shots of like the punisher in lie all the people killed and whatnot likes of criminals and whatnot like crime and greens and purples and stuff like that and just very odd doesn't suit marvel at all but not much. This movie is very marvel. So yeah i mean the whole thing connelly disorientating to see that i which is probably the reason why there was a pro at the beginning writing originally the whole like. I think it was gonna be a cold out. Rbi where you have the merger family. I'm a bit of stink job. You know and then he go to the credits and then we go to the opening sequence which might have been jarring but less charge than just going right face first into it with the whole again for me. It felt like a wig. James bond a bond with alfred hitchcock and then touch right into dogs at the action with with oh man okay so cuts writings hobby ways tokyo. I believe it's one of the basically someone running off standards or something along the lines of that and he's he's came into view a randomly again. We're not even basically mentioning nothing about punish show. We even know how it looks like or anything now. Only kicks i with the news report. Doesn't it news. Reports is kind of light is talking about the crime in the city and then he also says that Guys just been released from all charges than it could do that report and not the report. He's a cocky kind of easily secretly a crime bosses and he kind of bigger as well and just listen to because he's decided to listen to. This guy could be finally acquitted. Were killed deal about one. Hundred china win. This is a battle innocent just as provisional. Are you worried about the punisher. Let me tell you something about this. Punish whoever if he ever shows up within one thousand yards of me. You'll find out what the word punished. So that's either really cheesy guy and basically that cd just telling you that the justice system work. That's why you need the punisher. That's all that's four face. No why the pro would have worked. Well you sold the reason. Why frank castle's council and also see a sting operation which goes a little bit of ride with frank cassidy bolts are not. Just what's better knowing this guy. Basically who accents by the way. That's not a real voice is it. I think it's great. I hate hearing again. Is like the the really. I can't quite figure. I think it's a combination of right bad writing and bad acting but it's like people do that going for like a comic book kind of vibe because people in comics so at maybe trying to go for it. But you can't really fully adapt a comic to screen because it sounds cheesy need kind of changes to how people actually talk real life. It doesn't work but he's so cheesy. But i do. I wish you got more like guy. But he gets camo prints pretty leon. That doesn't he lie after pretty much. After that scene is tracked down by the punisher he goes to his big rich mansion type place and just kills all these guys and so basically that guy is just been free eat and then kill. This is pretty funny. Well let's he's free at its killed. I'm the biggest. This is dumb. But he went you essentially you say. I just started watching his already. Great i did this this secret so it goes to. The house is going to the house. isn't it yeah and a and why about this is how you see him killing everybody so he goes so goes into the house and then obviously frank castle's that right but you do see frank castle. You see poets dotting yet. Well it's kind of is kind of building up. The mystique is near his feet. Walking through is boots walking through the players so you might just see like the back of him or something like that and it's kind of building that kind of thing to do in like they do in like slasher movies date night when you don't see the actual car the to killer for a bit do you ever do. Stun was too funny because once you got into it emotes you face come from a side of the screen man out right but it's like boast is dumb and there's a foot the full scope may get a cold from the side of the screen at just okay right okay. This is another paul volberding piece of wrote the wrote what was fine. The apiece draw. Yeah and he just hang hangs in from the banister doesn't he yes again but again just trying to try to always quick. Oh he's he's always pad. It just looks goofy. Yeah i was thinking. Oh this is the whole movie. I abso- gains of this. Because the guy comes john i think he's basically becomes like point of view. Almost like kill us. You know like slash new vide- point-of-view ways coming into any sea bass and then again with all the today it comes directly to all the reporters outside the house Oh this is great. 'cause reporters just hear gunshots was happening. Suddenly the whole the whole place catches fire at once. You're just literally see a silhouette with fire behind it in the doorway is just a silhouette frank castle lousy in the doorway at the guy. That's punishment that's the punishment is going to be the punisher. And he just kinda walks off. The whole house blows up in there so so because frank castle's air the silhouette escapes the house. I've never seen such a massive explosion was laureus and also makes me think well fuck. The report is how big is a state. Yeah no the blast. It's so funny. It's so funny. It was a perfect mood setter. Yeah leaked lately. Think like oh this. Movie's gonna be great. This movie's gonna be great. Where's the house actually may made out of dynamite. May it's it's lines it's lying with like jackson-lee lives with gasoline. In exploded it up huge toughest book. Yeah does you hit the luxury for the first time in its profit voices which is very tired american star wars. I'm on frank castle. Now gone tired. You hearing a voice in the sewers and you get this weird shots. The camera is showing him into a place where it looks like frank. Castle's meditates and right. But he's meditating new k. Remember this he's day. Could you see bought like mad. Bus ie zoos. It through his body and off from his abs- baddie seeing any cross going upwards to reveal his face whether with a fake beard has as time isn't it's fake bid is so like inclined to face it looks like a skull and moody lighting is. Yeah okay reciprocally. The hell was that starting those years and i haven't yet. Yes do it years. I'm asking you why. Why are the innocent dead eulogy alive whereas where punishment are have you already answered have you to the world. Here is justice. Here is punishment hear. The she goes into a is really cool. Larry the weird way and that's been sampled by the montalban. How's it in that song punishment. Yes yes that was actually a factoid. That was yes because the male bind will like that little snippet so much that i prologue so much. That's signed to put it into the intro oneness. Just go rely. Also it's the visuals it's like the say. It is the have naked in oil dog. Like why okay. So he's in the sewers cleese in the sewers right one. Why unit zero as to why your day kid. If the suicide rats another question why are you making it. The first place full wise you syncing their stere- into looks like nothing is right. I don't show it as just as the remember light. Dial two you've got naked yoga by the bad guys. Always when the funniest things about you know in weird way this is funny because you how the way was both kinda homophobic but also very homoerotic riley. Yeah visit example. This'll example of a big. Here's a very attractive. Big buff six foot. Five crazy man with opposite harrods wonder be say that with his office yet. Would i presume you rooted out to reveal his abs- yeah well. This say the eighties. They love beautiful people men women and they just liked like bodies film midnight like naked bodies and film. I say it didn't matter what sex it was if they just want to say need show. Is you gotta show up those apps. Necessary you will be topless. Women liked hopelessness. That's gal ridiculous. But adopted me was doubt si no. It's this again. This is all within the first five minutes in this little. Just ten minutes yet right already are pumped thinking okay. We have naked does luxury we have. The we very tired oss modelo house explodes for no reason Balmy parts of flying back and forth. I definitely the fuck down. Yeah yeah it certainly does but you do get some interesting funny funny bits like like. I already liked the crime. The cocky crime boss like coming out of core and a little bit after that you get like an operation at the docks some goons the having gonna fight but the really funny is expected at goons very difficult out there. Assholes your science cool out. Talk to lao this whole bid this whole movie. All the goons are every eighty italian. American stereotype a ugly. It's terrible. I love the way car like this. They worried so the q- different levels of acuity is the hilarious. Fuck you fuck you wrote. It's all every time you cut to Goud in general they all sound like the worst stereotypes of italian americans. Yeah it's hilarious but coming talk about the drunken shake. Yeah shay given name be the issue of shakespeare. because he's a he's a theater theater performer and all dialogue is delivered in like a shakespearean kind of way. It's really way churches. Say whose idea was this like. Is this little of a frank castle. Non-relative punisher is actually a character in the comex. Is this just a weird movie thing. I think it's a movie thing. He's meant to represent cat francs conscience. Say jesus the whole. That's the whole the reason he was put in there. Because if you think about it the does the scene where he's got to save the kids and he's convinced to say the kids by shake you wouldn't have done it if it wasn't for shakes influence so he's kind of represents the conscience in frank and there are characters in in punisher that represent that kind of thing but there are different people. It's never. I don't think yet. This shake guys. Actually in the comics might be wrong. I'm liz yeah. I don't think it. Because i'll pay the of occurrences outplayed. You know like people's punish conscious. Frank castle has people. He's still love so he's growing to love. We see not in the tv series. We've even seen any other interracial of punish like of intrusions of punishment like this. Like what like what they did so bozon under warzone character base. We've also got all the while. Thomas jane which honestly a pretty decent movie even. If this besides the cheese especially with john travolta again they still have A bit occurrence that supposed to be you know frank castle's conscience but whoever the flippin hell side pick him as a conscious is the west because your first introduced in the ball. He goes to bob because he's a drunk. I also think it's cold shape ricardo. Get nothing but it does. Nothing but flip trenice. Because he's also shaking demolish boobs. It goes with guy banks guy. I don't know if you have. This joke is really bad joke. But it's funny like a. Do you care to give me a couple of money for for for for solving Like myself and the other guy could take stops. Looks at what the hell is of Kids some kind of like hobo. Like a big old survey i am. Actual is the easily character. I don't think he's that essential to be honest in in the movie. Maybe a bit of comedy to lighten every little bit book a weird and he's he's meant to be a good character and represent the conscience e sounds creepiest folk. Like really creepy. Let's let's listen to him. Come out come out. Where any trouble little insurances. You should consider a career in the health. Thank you so that was like basically shake the pushes layer so the point you just appearing out the darkness and scaring him but i just love his bubble bubble toil and trouble better get out of here on the devil like i think thinking okay i bet you. The righteous had a good time writing lines for shake because like all let. Let's do all shakespearian actor jokes. Great we can do that it. It completely clashes with everything in the move age like. Here's another big when you first introduced to realize he's accu like his informant f. Kennedy time the ball. This is genius. You a hopefully. Somebody have a clip of this. Where suddenly he's thrown out he's lying in the gutter. Then a fucking via the aussie truck comes out with a box seats. Yeah i haven't got a clip of because it's all visual but it's like yeah literally that is the punishing silly. He's a weird thing for him to do. You puts the bottle of whisky on the truck and just kind of like louis shake back to you. The alleyway like vying chasing baseline strokes Just really silly to see is going funny now. Where you see is chasing offering. Do like those who. It's going to be like a little house to do this. And then he turned around adults Frank castle's at any tells him. I was waiting to see you. You will your lake like so. He's not even before our already waiting for hours right to catch up with him with the early oral also waiting four hours no that he wasn't going to turn up the aussie truck with a bottle of whisky waiting for him to look case that he doesn't do. Wits brits senate great twenty see this is when the to come in with liz. Yeah actually this is a bit you get to meet the accused that you in like me kind of like interrupt a meeting and they saw enforced fast demands. So this is this is kind of what you dealing with with the accuser lady to knock her in with her goons partnership find through. You will continue to manage and oversee audio visual on day to day basis we will humidity's of executive between station investments and financial services through. What are you proposing is split. Seventy five percent for us twenty five percent for you know fucking william salary. Void is some bunch knicks. Got that. I don't know about the to you guys but the dalil family gives a shit. Yeah but nobody. Who do you think you walk when your ancestors was still shipping screwing sheep on the mediterranean coast as with asia music. I'm making demands what we choose. Not comply stimpson now being taken to ensure the too so you introduced to the accuser that they are bad especially lady tanaka. She is the best thing in the movie. A thousand percent for me yes. The character is pure evil. Always cartoonish for all of us. The older to a point where like yeah. I can believe that you have this evil and manipulative. I'm totally game for 'cause we're introduced. Were introduced its knock it that way but but at the oh my god so the ninja turtle to take the boat at one. Point is throw a whole bunch of like ninjas dos stuff like title dates with like spikes just just throwing it out of all over the shop. It's just hilarious. Randomly out of the blue if funky sally sue. This guy is weird because punish turns up delight so take him out and obviously the accuser turns as well he gets involved. Wasn't you slam fight to a point. You made to stand there and watch 'cause they're all killing each other anyway. This is the thing that confused me at the beginning because Frank castle arrives a little too late because the boat arrives is still the acc ouza just fighting each other. It's just reminds me of completely. And i know this is going to be a dumb joke. A bad with me. Remember the simpsons. Okay there's an episode simpson where marge joins company and then hires the mobsters is to help. Get the thing at the very very ed. There is a fight between the coups. At the italian bob stares right not just reminds me of that especially with like this one guy who hasn't done anything and you don't be of the also the whole the whole sequence felt like that that just dishes probably dunn's each other the samurai swords goat damn like tiny little grenades sure kids. It's kind of great and frank castle. Purchase breakouts doesn't know what their businesses could go. Just let them besides get involved in a reason but in a cool way why shooting an arrow through guy zip-lining dowd to join the rest of the yes of nights. This movie that the another thing that's like like not like the comics is the the weapons that he uses a lot of time. The not stuff that the punisher uses the doesn't really use a crossbow and he doesn't really overused knives as well and neither is a massive thing in this move isn't it so it is another thing that kind of it makes you think. Putting she wouldn't do that is it's annoying is factoid actually the script rights is actually said. There's particular reason for this. Does the punishment in the movie never used the same weapon twice Sometimes i'm fines of suicide. He's all it seems. Also just leave behind for no reason but the main reasons because he walked the script writers actually want to show frank craft castle to be a master of weaponry so he has not all kinds of weaponry in the case of you know whatever so he would know how these swords he will know how to use crossbows you know how to the but if the charges of Only uses famously is uzis. He was famous as coming in with machine guns and wiping the clean. Yes is and just like military grade assault rifles and stuff like really so big big guns and he is the fact that he was throwing the guns away is ridiculous because let's face it. He's not got limitless funds. So he would need to keep those weapons the weapons that is gone he would need to keep you can't just discard them and get because he got by many new weapons whereas you get any money from stand apparently so a up. I wanna buy a couple of ak47's and just like who. I am cranked. Tassels yeah. I called do that. So it's been the scene shortly after this work because obviously thinks they're going to kill each of the now and he's not bothered but then shake convinces him to the fact that they're going to get the kids aren't they involve accuser against to hold the kids so he basically said you gotta you gotta save the kids. And he's first step is to go and try and track him down some layer and he goes to like this place. It's like a warehouse at like a theme park or something and he kind of shoots loads of them in there with a machine gun and that's quite punish ally that's why punish your type which is pretty cool unpaid contrasted with the with the with the set of like a funhouse. Yeah it's pretty fun. Actually because it's like a big fun at the digital going down. The slide is larry bees always leaves. I should add aside guy. We saw vengeance. you'd be going down the slide with she'd guts it's brilliant. It's that was funny but not enough but before there's a bit as well. Thank capsule is now realized. That the accusers involved because they okay the accuses gang into my business on anita hill thing as obi accuser. Guilty going after the and now okay fine yet but you know they can just kill each other off less. But they go invade a An underground casino by the accuser. Yeah and just like destroys the place. Did i probably comes in from a rope. Gets a machine gun to just wipes everybody out by at least a best to their ability but then yet partners go jake and sam is like. I don't know what there's one guy is just grabs one japanese guy. As was he doing it. He ain't talk as a aint talking legitimate so the to disrobing hit radan. Deeply your jacket. And then some just rim salts of back of his shots it was fell swoop. He's your coups this why he's not before isn't she. Quick what swoop. she's like. Okay we know how to break it back. It's it's so good. I mean is golden nuggets yet but when archie saying the plot of the movie really coherently. Because it's it's kind of jumping by those bits all golden. There's a big skate exchange between those two as well. where like. She's using the computer to find out the whereabouts of castle. And jake protect detect. Like say what are you going to do with that things. Play you miss pacman kind of stuff. It's just like cheesy. But she's obviously into the modern to attack way of tracking light and she's but she's very good for a young police officer proving himself or actually before got we get to meet the sleigh the potential slave kids and like so they're back in the layer and the scene are played this money for the children slave businesses. Very profitable. come on. Don't cry we're gonna be okay. It's going to be okay. I'm here not over here. Mr note off. I don't know. I love being held for ransom. Fathers which gangsters zoo i am. I hear my father's not a gangster. What are you kidding. You'll funds the biggest gangster. An account might have said if he didn't run from his responsibilities. There would be this miss shit. Your bullshit you see. You learned from that scene tommy. Franco's son don't even know falls. The biggest gangster ever basic which is a politician. He's a he's a the biggest gigs. Those a callard allows guys get the care with this point. the Minaka comes in and seems to be scarring. The kids like charleston. Pick one of you and does little go gives a little bit can be going like you come with me. The tommy comes in a just push is a with. No no no. I get bushes. Then keep like he gets smacked and flung to the other side of the goddamn boiler room and it's funny because he comes back and this wasn't expecting maybe awesome just about to exit. The you know just like okay. We're gonna do anything about leave. He gets a chad. Smacks the guy at the back like a professional wrestler's authors gonna do like that like a pile driver about the the guy just touches the kid. The kowt grabs him. It goes out of the road. The champagne charter brilliant. Yeah just show. Obviously kids got some like fire but after that. Yeah you're right you go to the torture bit then pushes captured. And he's being tortured in like iraq like a stretching rack isn't it torture rack genuine torture interesting factoid about that say okay That scene itself was the movie. Dot room was incredibly haunt reich. Was incredibly hot. It was warm. It was sticky grows very humid whatever to the point adults laundering. London's body had to be wiped. Down between ed burry seed. Because he was sweats much as weird because he seems more sweaty in the meditation naked scene. He seems more oily. But i think one oversee wanted to look that and not seen but they didn't want it to into that sweaty in the torch. You think he'd he'd be like scared though why. Why not have him sweated but basically he was not even so much that it was ridiculous. You might have been like. He was wounded washer or something people like things anyway. Sweden i think. I think i wouldn't be surprised because the torch iraq doesn't look very a what stable so if it was really sweaty. I would be surprised if he could slip out of the goddamn cuffs. Just sweat no. I cough stay. Sue slippery and sticky so every scene at to be white team like approach. A full body pat down with a towel yet. I've call from that scene very expensive christian christianity two million dollars in cash. Who much pain do you think that it was true. False multiple choice reach. Such bad wasn't deny read as well that the actress that played ladies necker was really fascinated by dolph lundgren's body and like the where she was kind of a name with her. Like of like thimble light thing on a finger with like improvised do that but he kind of fascinated. You just kind of had to well if you see Eighty you do wanna touch it. Because he's like perfectly artists started. But it's yeah that was random little bit bitten well Again thing flood delivery that line. You know it's like is it multiple choice. Oh whatever it is. It's true folsom multiple choice for me. Right if it was delivered blake anybody else. It would have been like. Re- like witty live by dolph. Lundgren sounds tired and looks like he doesn't wanna be just basically is about flattest fucking love the because we know that line could be delivered better and it's off. The case is he's delivery and lines is very similar to schwarzenegger but for some reason. Schwarzenegger has more comedy. Like ye like laugh. It's worse thanks delivery on his lines but they are delivered in a similar way. What's the difference you d think. Why do we laugh. Appreciate schwarznegger more than dull. i think he knows. Click timing knows when to say it's bound to say something in a particular way even if he does sound that. Yeah e. the right way of saying it might doth london dozens in disproving and even then carried two dozen suits it so even then when he tried to do with you. One liners front the movie. It doesn't work because frank castle isn't a one liner guy. Frank castle is literally of wreck stuff and leave just common with what you. What line is he tows. It kills everyone ocoee dodges yet so when it when he is being tortured. That scene eventually like latest. Says i've got business attended. She leaves and then you can see him like so undoing the window of his like strains and he basically escapes he puts the bad guy that was gonna torture him in the torture actors. There and each question questions in doesn't mean it's like this. No one is going to stretch this out. Shake the creepy co-operation. So you get him. Yes in where the kids are and e tells him but you still leaves the machine on stretch him to that but like shaking. That scene like i'll take vons sounds really creek is creeping. Can't just throw one thing. I noticed about the scene that make no sense to and i was looking through it several times connection. But there's nothing you notice that the doctor at the very the sequence as being stretched. Do you notice a pair of red hog huge shoes. He's wearing yeah. Why by is that. Is that from a scene with cook. Or i do not know because it's memphis. Seems like we never see his feet so we never because you never know he could be. He could be into high heels. I don't know is nothing's mentioned. Look at all the facts. And there's no mention of these red high heel shoes. So i thought it was going insane. What i'm thinking. Why high heel shoes of the iraq. Or yeah i the only is a stretch where they can think of is they are. They belong to laid snack and she was going to use them in the torturing but light is just a massive stretch. Isn't it is like you take your shoes. One of the big things is that she you're here bust walking before you see her. You know what i mean. He's fame all seems like that so she is behind. Your shoes makes no sense that she has the. He's wearing high heeled shoes. Unless unless he's into that you'll talk with. The doctor will get it high heel shoes. I don't know it is really frustrating than to not know what that's about. I got to be something that was like. We've seen a couple of battersea plenty of movies with certain things are mysteries where they never explain it like the. The scene with his competence. I'm gonna to see it again. This isn't l. by log lists of movie mysteries. What happened to the high heel shoes deplenished. Yeah definitely off. The torch seem basically He ends up trying ends of going to get know. You'll get arrested. It's i'm trying to find a way exactly. We are in the plot basically up when he he knows the location of the kids so he steals a bus. Of course i've got cliff league of yes. Okay he's speaking kids stopped. it's yeah she'll shit so basically there's still stole his burst thinking it was empty. And there's a guy still there and he lets him off and he so he's got now he's got a vehicle to get all the kids out there. All of which kind of genius gets more out gets except tomi right thomas. Anyone isn't get picked up. I've got a couple of clips from this this bit. Because he's like the bit where he kinda shaves his sensitive side because he is he scary character but he appears in front of the girl. Says this to take you so. Yeah you still goes down to the girls. Level and convinces ezer. Is that to to to rescue them. And he pushed style the kids and somebody knows he will ours. Well because he's he says he said he calls him by name and then he also the little girl at one point kind of disappeared so he says where where's she gone. And i they they track it down and she. She says this. This is the creepiest thing i've ever heard. Listen to this. I came back from my dolly. Imagine this play over and over like on a record player to horror movie. Oh god oh okay geoghegan to solve like a annabel situation hit with that kind of level the cubs arabi. Steve saved three creating so yet. He's got now all the kids out there and they're all in both and but then the cops truck from down and the cops chasing him for a minute and he can't really get out of it so he has to kinda just stop. The boston got arrested. Actually see him like carrying some of the kids like his arms in as you walking down the status. And the thing is a good way describing. The image could be in boston out of a bussing within a school bus with the kids and dropping dropping directly in brother police. I woke up cool and everything but another fell. Cool to gwen ryan was off that sequence and i think the problem with this movie as a whole that moments that which should be awesome but a dull at to this little bit offsets rusted gets arrested like with like full like yom allowing you to do this right nine. He's he goes to jail on. Not means jacobs partner has his compensation and it is a it is an open is a dramatic powerhouse. It is this is the big one. Great whoa this is this. Is this also draw but then you go flood. Gis beat a west sock i've got. I'll play the clip in a minute. But i just wanted to say. This isn't a kademi award winning actor. Louis louis gossett giunea. He wouldn't you wouldn't ask is supporting role in officer and a gentleman and basically. He's a power acting powerhouse that you say but he's got nothing to bounce off because dull awful but this is listen to this scene. The body count. Frank is dead decided everybody else to be dead tubes. If you guilty you're dead courts decide who feels comes here bites where uphold the law Confused for five years you come to the euro book called two hundred twenty five mergers in five years work in progress Nothing but you've got to talk to me. Man had much compared to of the euro. This had this point that it's a powerhouse secrets. Fuck a new bike five years. Fuck you yet. He's he is such a good actor. That scene is it gives you goosebumps. He's really good in it. Obviously dole's try his best but you can't really compete with the wizard hired and done it. Looks like a wet salk. He is a sow eleven. He is just the fleas. The flashes of pancakes but is interesting factoid about director mock oh garage. Actually purposely kept off london on. I'm lou louis gossett junior away from each other until that scene. Yeah so this was actually the first time they met right right so go kart division to punch in jail. They did love lipold the first time they met properly. The it made the c moral fantastic on easy. Which yet but also shows if these two haven't rehearsed in the same room because you could see how you can see how. Jake jake is just played like going full own act too mode and is giving him a lick. One-sided is a shame. Because i his he's line. Delivery gives you use bumps. He's really really good. As said i say numerous times but yeah i just wished that he had something to work with cameras. Say this this is the first thing we might have trash tapes because usually mostly The acting is atrocious. The most of these moving. Could this actually be a first where this is the first time that we got genuine. A fantastic performance crappy movie. I will lose watched. Oh definitely if we had if we every add some kind of like awards trustee for wards this would be the fast acting it goes to like this go said it goes to hip thousand percents. That whole the jail was like. Oh wow oh inspiring. Excellence after that secrets. There's a dream secrets. But can i just explain this one thing for a minute. Let's talk about the sewage from it talked about it. These suicide on narrow as thuc yet. Who struck this. Because there's no room for movement they a motorcycle can go through it at all. there's no movement. How do people move down here. I need always leave his left. This baddie ruinous latte is all crabs. Too cramped deal. So who's who's the most of mine who said like this looks great. It doesn't it just looks like every was uncomfortable to walk it. I've convinced it's just the fact. I recommend while the turtles is popular. They live in the sewers. Let's just go the sewers leaving this. Who is this big and room. It's ned so basically you see See prank castle at least narrow corridors as they call it sue up on a motorcycle getting these lights going off everything else. And this is one of the first few times dream. Sequences ways game with a flash factor. We finally get to see about the family. We get to see clips clean cut from the original movie. Yeah a whole bunch of stuff like that stuck. Should've been put in an everything else and just feel an age just wakes up. He's yahuda logo stuff like that. It's has these nightmares. I'm very unintended. Not really like eastern because the weights cuts like a. Jake turned to close the door and then suddenly. He's driving down the sewers so they didn't escape did he booth cloud. That was exactly my thoughts. I asked the guy while going and then it's all a dream. Which bollocks don't do that to be movie trickery like that. I've got angry So shortly yes surely a. He's being transports marzilli. Obviously to another jaylo to be to call or something. And sam is in there with him and it's like her turn to have like a big exchange dial exchange with him as well. It's not much coming back as well. So there's a clip is. Here's a clip of those having a dialogue exchange of course after he saw you. He lifted a day. He found you so that he can help you. That's all he had taken that away. He's your best friend. Why do you want to take him down with you you. You were his life. This ever happened. And you've been his life ever since and you fucking well know that. How long do you think someone can live. You cut out their hearts long like you. Is that what you want to live like you. So that seems kind of overshadowed by the previous on because obviously he's Jay can punish. And jake and francine was obviously really good. And then not says this seamlessly in but with sam and frank and she's all right. Yeah but nowhere. Near as good as as louis gossett nowhere endless who. Yeah basically during a shortly after that he is this some kind of accident in east of kidnapped by franco's man basically isn't it funny because this was bad the is sold this and it was. It took me by surprise because again. No foreshadowing where the truck is driving a truck gums. And just soon. Yeah like trucco phobic disappeared. Okay right and then you know. Franco's men like you mentioned kim apps. And they're interrogating him putting smelling salts And it leads to him realize they look you and i have to work together because Lady tanaka has my son. I need you to help him. Not only can we stumbled crime stuff. I need to help my son and with coleus truths like you say with corners. Truce four now. I love because the personnel said the moment you like the moments we've done. I'm going to kill you. Yeah let's have a listen about thing and do it i will. I can't swear these on the life of my on anthony him back can't do with myself. I would. i meet you hassle. Give you anything you want. I'll do anything you wish to see something. Fuck you fuck you ought whole let me so basically is bringing out jake at this point in a threatening him on point gonna ask twice castle. Okay move but understand but this is over your dead so that so he's agreed to help franco. Which is something the punish you would never do know. I know always kind of is forced because he's in that situation because the east partners held at gunpoint but the punisher would never ever team up with a criminal lie. The criminals criminal killed his family. No he just. He just wouldn't do it. E- would like he would. I basically wouldn't point in that situation if i was writing it because that just wouldn't happen. Yeah yeah it's it's a mess I look i get with a trying to do like. Hey you know what. I always thought. This was the reason to me. What is it okay. This is why the punishes actually getting bolted any of this Because the more was saying that thinking like where does the punisher actually full into this between the yakuza at it's highly mobster Situation because like i said most the time he would just be it. It was up to me and this other boxer killing each other. Okay if that just killing each other and not like getting involved that killing innocent people or whatever it is that's fine. It's only into shakes john. It's fine. I'm doing it because you told me this kids and it goes in. He just gained so more deeper into a whole. I mean do not need to. Yeah the way Punish you would actually deal with this situation like this without within in the tv series where he would get the all the gangs to to meet at a place like it would think that we're going to something was going to go down. You would get them all in a room together. Then shoot them all. That's what he does in the tv series and that's how he would deal with the situation like this. He wouldn't t more with one of them to take down the other just a silly thing to write in two situation. It's see feels like it's a plot contrivance. Just so they could actually like make it work to make give frank castle. A reason to be involved in the clocks and the thing is totally undermined by the fact that he shortly after. Jake escapes anyway. Doesn't he's doing it for jake to free him. But then jake escape because this is a clip jake. escaping watt. like you just quiet for this think. So the pizza death pizza slice puts you the face by pizza and then i'll like school jake as she picks up the pizza from the box. And just like you. So he's got good in one hand pizza amir there destroy it out there. He's a really cool guy. wouldn't you like. Is this free pizza. I always feel like beads is a food. You'd never turn down if someone's neither won't pizzas. What's wrong with you. Ever want to slice of pizza is about what so council and Franko guys they all go they go to the coups penthouse suite which is on the forty first floor which you need a special key. It ought to get it interesting. Facts about the following juice secrets because a whole bunch of fight scenes at this moment are actual time to hand combat. First of all they actually got instead of stunt doubles with any of the accused members right. They actually go famous martial artists. They actually got real martial office karachi champions as well okay so pretty much anyone involved in the fight involving the acoustic family are actually old. Karate trump into some drastic including the mute. Daughter of ms omit. Mr knock who we haven't mentioned because that's the thing. Yeah she's pretty cool but he doesn't get enough screen time ready to she you. And plus she gets no character of the fact that she's a mute. yes nice. it's a shame because she she seems like she would be pretty cool. But now you see in a couple of fights that's it. Yes she's so basically those three the main like the two main heavy and the two main heavy armed a hub or karate. Chapin's now here's the thing all the fight sequences up before real contact by the actors the director. She said he wanted to give him the kid the fight to sense of realism. And especially because the karate champions had a sense of honor i would not allow them to fake kids. So the freak. Ronnie trump's cigna we enough we don't fake it could not stop them not is think they are not stunt doubles and not stunt people now know how to fake fights their actual fighters so they will quite literally suicide. I'm just going to punch you and does luxuries like sure. Okay we're gonna literally punch each other so the whole sequence. The oldest fights look a bit rough is because actually jay punched. Yeah but as good. I think it is like the only sort of pfizer the sequence. That kinda looks though sequences. That in the accusers like layer. They're kind of like really good fights so it does as i mean looks realistic to me. I feel like it's missing the penis. That feels like a should have had like you should have had a little bit more like a bit will come through a little bit more snazzy. This little bit of coolness bit of script yet look like a punch. Like all good good actually kicked him especially. There's a bit with dolph lovebirds download movies and the guys. Just keep on kicking him in. But yet i'm thinking oh my god. He's getting kicked in the guts here. 'cause you con- tori abruzzi car choreographed. That kenya is got to be real. So you can't shoot an interesting way because you don't know what's coming. Let's get so the idea is that there's real must be slight choreography but it means like you're not going to see how things reacted if i punch if i basically punch you in the face. I really talk show if you like to respond in the same way. I'm expecting you to this. So yeah they go actually batted also in the scene. He said shake involved too like with time on some bombs so the first ball will blow the light so everything in the everything in the fight scenes are bathed in red kind of like a temporary light like because all the lights have gone now and it makes the the image really shit because red light biz not do things good to cameras basically so is going to send scenes look awful under that red light but is just meant to be a kind of a cool thing that is meant to be in the dog and he says the second timer will blow up everything else. East put shaking charge of that is out garlic guy literally colours yet and he's just big firstly plus the lights which is fine if we closed the second thing though shape drops the actual mechanism into the. I think it is your office chances. I totally get it. I love the franklin and Castle in the elevator. They're about so sort of like go into the place and file. The guys and franco says this to him. You question the reason behind you guys limited revenge. I guess i've reach party and while we're on the subject to franco in the scene his outfit is the most eighties big ever. He's got he's got a stone washed denim jacket with the kaleta endo and he's all of a sudden in this casual like eighty so cool he looks like every generic eighty he's supposed to be the mo also put it in like a coup bucking suit. Because he's a bit when franco's finally gets life is back home and so on a find tommy held by Mrs knock a who is in full almost like geisha gear. Yeah and they looked really cool. Riots she she's holding like a daiga to to to the f-r-o-t-h i looked we cool everything else and running around so on on the fights happening. There's one bit this won't be the often fight. Sequences is where it looks like the one. The henchman is behind franco. Trying to get this thing and then through the literally brown the papal bulls doth london Other i mean you you mentioned ladies. They're nice she's basically got the franco's son held at knife point and he really get to see some of the evil so of intensity of late dr in that scene. Let's just listen to this if i do. I know you'll keep it. Don't know chance all the way posing service education you watch. She's forcing son to watch. That life is awesome as though okay right we gains the ending. So we'll get to the evidence so this is a big problem for me because what you just heard was dove luxury festival. He's already beat up. The other free tunes that dolph lundgren out of no and bite fucking coincidence jumps through adore unfroze one of the skull base divers right into miss. Listen okkas head lights yet. Still anti-climactic to me because he cannot afford kick now. One of the big bosses is dead. Cheeses were meant to be one of the most like a feared villains in the movie and she doesn't get a good death us gets to keep death and she off to that bit then they you know. There's a bit with franco and castle where the point is actually saying. Well while it's over. So like tommy's get get behind me. Don't don't get involved because he's about to kill him so episode franken's back to kill castle on all and again. This is the person who has killed you family rights. You're expecting like another big glorious debt but it but it also ends is also a bit like well kinda anti-climactic judas skull and then deng goes off iga shocked at any toys yet as a rough and tumble basically franco says well. Thanks for your help. You've limited competition. So now we can rule the oral drug trade basically and then he says now and then. Yeah and ninety three. And i'm going to kill you. And then they told me doesn't really want frank head rescue tomi so me. Does a one branch dies. Sushi kind of e- e kinda stops his dad from shooting him and gets involved franco pushes him back so they have to. So but then actually franko ends up getting shot and then tommy is sort of like confused that point because he picks up the gun. Says says. i'm going to kill you for killing my dad and his an exchange between tommy and castle kill you Good maybe get it over with now. You won't grow up to be like do it. Do it to its Betty count struggling. Said it yet and also. There's another bath that here could boy. Tommy grow up to be. This is not. i'll be waiting threatens. The kid jeopardy much. yeah say yeah the. That's a cool of the scene with with a kid a bit. Yeah the that's like fairly okay. Acting is when dole's with kids you know let's anytime. He feels cut a genuine like when when he's with tommy and when he's rescuing the little girl the athol Acting so right here. I think i think the reason why is because he's he's his acting not being depend to kids active so in other words that you know he's pretty good competitors king you so it's like it's not like it'd be compared to all other actual genuine light good actors and the other guys outshining the book because of this fact though is maybe wanna go check out kim begun to because it is obviously might be quite good with us wed i. I called him five about what was going to be with. And the moving pretty much ends there with jacob. You tried to get to the place then castles missing. He's like it's a but it's got a kind of ends with another one of those sewer monologues by less. I listen to this talk. Sometimes i asked him. If what i'm doing is right or wrong still waiting to get cornell the way to punched ed's laris and then you get your credit then we can talk out of it and the movie ends. I feel like the movie ends on a wilpon bang because the opening i ten fifteen minutes of the movie is action packed. Ridiculous the over the top. She's always expected. Yeah beats it and the bad guys ends on a very like anti-climactic note. Yeah tightly is a bit disappointing. Because you want pay off the end you want it to be on a good fight and just don't get it you just you just end with just more naked dolph which is which kind of could be a good thing. You kind of what. He would've not no i don't know final factoid. It's up for we go into figure out how genuinely throw at the movie There was a sequel briefly announced at at at the milan film markets. In one thousand. Nine hundred right. There were already scripts being written but it's also despite the fact that the new owners of new well pictures were not interested in having theatrical film. They were not interested and it was big money. So the film was devout The dove london actually flat out refused to reprise the role afterwards. Anyway because of how disappointed he yours with the movie itself. Be honest may lucky yourself may look you so you pretty much one of the worst things. It's actually a good response to say who is better than dolphin. This movie and i've got the response to that. Thank you jerry old. Obviously right so for those of this time. They're the joined in. Thank you very much of a and this is how we grade. All this cold trash albertson with his five stages all of Let's call it trash where we cut. A percentage where falls in the trash bottom is train. Tame basically means we found the goring or nothing. Really interesting talk. Trashing is where we with as a funeral. Nuggets goals futile nice. Obits that. but it's not really a so bad it's good movie. It's not right there in the ankle. It's a good watch. Trash is the sweet spot. It's the golden goose. It's a wild chef's kiss aban movies. We've already had quite a few in macabre great and knock on spoiler. I don't think this one's gonna thank you. Thank god to to trashy too trashy basically means it's now getting to the point well while it was fun watch. They'll things are starting to annoy us. Things that get angry things that don't really work things that we started. Getting annoyed with is no longer getting Want to and then this torture torture is downright a movie. That is no longer thumb to watch. It is anger inducing. it's ridiculous. It's confusing mental breakdowns. Occur when you watch this film so when do you think the dolph lundgren nine hundred eighty nine. Lucia falls on the trash matre. I think it is only a tiny bit trashy. I agree with that because it's not it's not. It's not as it's not trashy enough constantly to be enjoyable. They're all moments rose angry at it but notes But i think it's just mostly out of his pure incompetence rather than anything and even then it got dullest time. Yeah it's not because the thing is if there was loads and loads of trashy stuff and it became then it will become too much. There isn't enough for that. So it kind of is boring elements in this crap elements. But they're all these little bits of trashing is here and there which are so quite good so they basically it should fall under tiny bit. I think it's not as it's not definitely not tame so staffing tape goes. The whole movie was boring. And not even that. Like it's not even like good enough to be trashing if that makes sense just going with the flash the flash rivers i don movie was was that louis was so good and we have to because there was nothing trashy but it was good movie. Yes is not a good movement. But it's not enough. Good is not enough. It's not enough angry to full into the high category. I think it was like in the middle directly in the middle tiny bit. Trashing definitely thank you very much joyous especially. This is the best time listening to podcasts We have a. 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