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American Scandal
"patty hearst" Discussed on American Scandal
"It's early 1982, 6 years after Patricia Hearst was tried and found guilty on charges of robbery. It's a warm day in Los Angeles, and Hearst is following a man down a narrow set of stairs into a cool and clammy basement. On the walls are framed magazine covers from Rolling Stone, Entertainment Weekly, and Playboy. The man gestures for Hearst take a seat in a padded armchair. Then he pulls out a tape recorder and set it on the table between them. Launching into an interview that Hearst knows could last for hours. It's been a turbulent few years for Patricia Hearst. After being found guilty at trial, Hearst was sentenced to 7 years in prison. Hearst appealed the decision, but she wasn't successful and was sent away to prison in Northern California. But the fight didn't end there. Hundreds of her supporters petitioned The White House for official pardon. Hearst always assumed it was a long shot, but after serving 22 months, there was a miracle. President Jimmy Carter agreed to commute the remainder of her sentence, and on February 1st, 1979, Patricia Hearst was set free. Ever since she walked out of federal prison, Hearst has been trying to get back to a normal life. She married, gave birth to a baby girl, and promised herself she was Don talking about the SLA and its small army of political radicals. She was ready to move on. But Hearst couldn't stop the media from continuing to cover her story. Apparently it was just too sensational. So she began giving interviews, trying to shape the story. But the media continued publishing pieces full of speculation and exaggerated facts. Eventually, Hearst decided she had to more forcefully counter the media's narrative. Eventually, she published her memoir, telling what she felt was the true story about her experience, how she was brainwashed, victimized, and coerced by the SLA. And that's what brought Hearst to this basement office in Los Angeles. She's publicizing her book and agreed to sit down with a journalist named Lawrence grabelle. After all this time, trying to avoid attention, Hearst is now ready to step back into the spotlight and set the record straight. Grubel gets his tape recorder rolling, and begins with his first question. Okay, you comfortable? All right, good. We're recording. So Patricia. I wanted to see if we could get right to the marrow of the matter here if you allow it. Sure. If I'm uncomfortable with any of the questions, I'll be clear. All right, good. Well, to start with, thinking about what's happened to you, the kidnapping, the birth of Tanya, the bank robberies and the trial and the prison. If you could go back, would you erase all of those experiences? Well, Larry, I am thinking like that's frankly a waste of time. Why is that? You'd never run that thought experiment. There's no point looking back and trying to imagine something different. The life I have is the one that happened, and it includes my kidnapping, and my time with the SLA. And in your time with the SLA, were you a true believer like the other members? Look, you have someone threatening your life. You start believing things. But it's not like I had free will. Yet you were a willing participant in a bank robbery. You just can't separate things out like that. You can't ignore the threats I was under. They said if I didn't do it, they'd kill me. The reporter scribbles down a note. So, what you're saying is you were a true believer but not by choice. You know, one of the psychiatrists used a term. Traumatic neuroses with dissociative features. That's what I was dealing with. And that means what? Brainwashing. And I wasn't loopy. I wasn't on drugs, but I wasn't in control of my mind or emotions. Things were happening to me. I was just trying to make it through. And really isn't that what we're all trying to do. Every day, just trying to make the best of our circumstances. Well, yeah, I guess we're all just trying to survive. You know, it's funny. People keep saying I had guts joining the SLA. But really, I think it was one of the most cowardly things I could have done. Patti, you're telling me joining a militant group and robbing banks is cowardly? Sure. 'cause you know what would have taken real guns. It's standing up to them, facing that threat of death. But I'm coward. I didn't want to die. But maybe your readers aren't going to be happy with that version of the story. They want me to be something else. The Patty Hearst that lives in their imagination. All the magazines, books, and news articles, they've all created their own version of who I am, and what I think. So,
American Scandal
"patty hearst" Discussed on American Scandal
"A long few days. Only two weeks in, people are already calling this the trial of the century. Hearst has had to sit in the witness stand, dissecting her own inner life in a courtroom packed with gawking members of the public. The trial has had the atmosphere of a zoo with Hearst feeling like an animal on display. Her defense attorney, F. Lee Bailey, said that this was all unnecessary part of the process. In order to win, they had to establish her state of mind, beginning with the moment she was kidnapped, and Hearst had to show how the threat of death was part of the daily fabric of her life, informing every one of her decisions over the course of months. Hearst robbed a bank, she doesn't deny it. But what they had to show the jury is that given her kidnapping and the chronic terror she felt, it's clear that she was coerced and is not culpable. So far, Hurst has gone along with the defense strategy. She's trying to stay clear of anything that would make her seem like a sincere convert to the SLA. But after days of testifying, hers can feel herself wearing thin. She's had to endure hour upon hour of intense questioning. And looking up at the prosecutor, Hearst can tell she's about to face another round of painful interrogations. Questions designed to trip her up and sway the 7 women and 5 men, sitting in the jury box. The prosecutor browning turns on his heels and begins his next round of questions. So, miss Hurst, we've heard of many instances where you had access to a telephone and even moments of privacy during your time with the SLA. Why exactly did you never call your parents or trying to return to them? I felt my parents wouldn't want to see me again. I felt ashamed of what I'd said about them on those tapes. And so you remained in a situation where the threat of death supposedly hung over you. Because you were worried your parents were mad at you, it's not that simple. And yes or no, miss hers. If you put it that way, yes, I guess. Good. Now, I'm gonna show you something. Brownie walks to the prosecutor's table and grabs a gun. Hearst recognizes the weapon, it's the one she'd carried when she and the SLA robbed the hibernia bank. Rounding sets the weapon in front of her, and Hearst picks it up and expecting it. Now, miss first, you look quite comfortable with that gun. How do you know that weapon was yours? By the stock and the bolt. Hearst freezes. She's made a mistake, revealing a sign of herself that she's been trying to avoid. Someone who knows how to handle a gun. But soon browning moves on from the gun and begins another line of questioning. Now, did you and mister William Wolfe, a man also known as cujo? Did you and mister Wolfe develop a relationship during her time with the SLA? You mean during my kidnapping? Miss hers, what was the nature of the relationship? I don't know what you mean. Was it a sexual relationship? I don't like to call it a relationship. What would you call it then? I don't like saying it out loud. We're trying to sort out the facts, miss Hurst. He raped me. The courtroom suddenly grows tense, but browning doesn't pivot. Was it forcible rape? I beg your pardon? I mean, did you struggle? Or did you submit because of fear? I didn't resist. No. Did you not say to others within the group that you thought highly of mister wolf? I didn't say that at all. Well then what exactly did you say? I said I had a strong feeling about him. And what was that feeling? For Hearst, this is excruciating. She's being forced to relive one of the most painful moments of her life. In front of a crowd of strangers. But she doesn't mince her words. Well, mister browning, it wasn't romantic. I couldn't stand him. I was just trying to survive. Hearst looks around the courtroom, seeing members of the public nodding, seeming to take her side. And when she turns back to the prosecutor, she can tell he's now uncomfortable. That feels like a small victory. For days, Hearst has been turned into an object of public scrutiny. She's felt her humanity slipping away. But finally, it seems that people are seeing her as a person again. Someone who survived a painful experience and who had to make complicated and difficult choices. It's a small measure of vindication, and there's another more consequential benefit. If the jury understands her perspective and experience, there's a chance Hearst will be able to walk away from this trial of free woman. Several weeks later, Jim browning watches as his assistant attorney David Bancroft rises from the prosecution table and begins his examination of their next witness. Doctor Joel Ford is a psychiatrist and an expert in human psychology. Browning brought the doctor into the trial because no matter how he tried to deliver the facts, the defense pushed back with the same argument. Underneath every one of her decisions, Patricia Hearst was terrified and never acting of her own free will. The defense has trotted out a group of psychiatrists, all painting a picture of Hearst as numb with terror, only joining the SLA to relieve the constant threats of death. They even had the gall to compare hers to a prisoner of war. By now, the prosecution can see where this trial is headed. It's becoming a never ending debate over something no attorney can prove what Patricia Hearst was thinking and feeling during her time with the SLA. And the jury seems like it's been swayed by the defense. So the prosecution is going to fight fire with fire. Browning assembled his own team of psychiatrists. His goal isn't to convince the jury one way or the other about Hearst's state of mind. He just hopes his experts will undermine the psychiatrist brought in by the other side, and that the cold, hard facts of the case, will finally take precedence. So at the prosecution table, browning sits listening, as doctor Ford begins painting a very different portrait of Patricia Hearst. He describes Hearst as a young woman prone to lying. A woman who strongly disliked her parents, who harbored serious doubts about her engagement to her fiance. The psychiatrist goes on to describe Hearst as a woman fundamentally desperate to find a sense of meaning in her life. Doctor Ford acknowledges that Hearst's kidnapping may have involved a period of frightening captivity. But he argues it also liberated Hearst from a life that had left her feeling trapped and gave her a sense of purpose. Hearing this assertion hearsts attorney F. Lee Bailey raises an objection, arguing that the testimony is outrageous, but the judge denied that request. Browning's assistant attorney continues with his examination, asking a series of probing questions about Patricia Hearst's credibility, as well as the likelihood that Hearst was a sincere convert to the SLA. As the questioning unfolds, Brown and glances at the jury box, trying to suss out their reaction. It's looking good, and they seem persuaded. And with more psychiatrists lined up in the coming days, browning starts to feel optimistic. This case isn't lost yet.
American Scandal
"patty hearst" Discussed on American Scandal
"Murderers, and he's had his brushes with celebrity, representing the infamous serial killer at the Boston strangler. But Patricia Hearst involves an entirely different magnitude of fame. The entire country has been following her case, arguing about what justice means in her case. Bailey knows he has his work cut out for him. Hearst faces criminal charges for her role in a bank robbery. The media heiress also unloaded a submachine gun at a sporting goods store. Making matters worse, Hearst is proudly declared her responsibility for the criminal activity. And even since getting arrested, she hasn't been staying quiet. Hearst has continued to draw attention to herself, spouting a bunch of heated political rhetoric. So this will be a tough case. But Bailey believes it's worthwhile. Patricia Hearst trial is going to receive a flurry of media coverage. And that's free publicity for Bailey's practice. He might even get a book deal out of it. But before he can start counting up all the money he's about to make, Bailey knows he needs to first talk some sense into his client. He has to get Patricia Hearst under control. That's the only way they stand a chance at winning in trial. So inside this jailhouse conference room, Bailey stubs out his cigarette and strange the lapels of his three piece suit. Then he tells Hearst, starting now, he's in charge. Her father hired him to win the case, and if Hearst wants to avoid prison, she has to do exactly what he says. Hers crosses her arms, and asks what the lawyer is talking about. What is he asking her to do? Bailey begins laying out his strategy. Number one, there's going to be no more communication with the SLA. No more writing letters to anyone even affiliated with the group. Hearst has to get some distance from all political radicals. But Hearst pushes back, she's sitting in jail, completely alone. Bailey is asking her to cut herself off from everyone who cares about her. But her attorney reminds her that that's not true. She could see her family. Her old friends, people she was close to before getting kidnapped. They love her and care about her. Hers pauses, finding her lip. And while he knows what he said was true, Bailey acknowledges the situation is complicated. When she was still with the SLA, hers recorded herself denouncing her old life. The group made sure those tapes were broadcast across the country. And those recordings no doubt, caused a lot of pain for her family members. But they could still come back together, Bailey thinks. So he consoles Hearst, telling her not to fret, and not to get hung up on past decisions. They're talking about family, family will always be there. Hearst remains quiet for a few moments, but then asks if she follows the instructions. If she cuts herself off from the SLA, and they do win a trial, will she finally be able to live a life on her own terms? Bailey pulls out another cigarette and lights up. Taking a deep drag, he tells her that that's the definition of freedom. Being able to live the life you want. And Hearst gives a meek nod. She says she'll follow his instructions. Bailey blows out a pillar of smoke, feeling satisfied. On his flight over to San Francisco, he wandered which version of Patty Hearst he'd encounter. The radical, who calls herself Tonya or someone else, hopefully someone rational, someone willing to do what it takes to win at trial. For now, it looks like Bailey has gotten lucky. And if Hearst remains pliant, he should be able to put forward a strong argument and get this whole case dismissed. It's the fall of 1975 in Northern California. In the visitors room of San Mateo county jail, Catherine Hearst takes a seat on a hard plastic chair. She smooths down her tailored suit and adjusts her pearl necklace. Soon, her daughter Patricia is led in handcuffed and takes a seat. The two women are separated by a thick piece of glass. It's a jarring experience for a mother, but even with the physical distance, Catherine can see there's reason to be hopeful. Patricia's eyes look a little brighter. Her shoulders are less hunched. Catherine has been making regular trips to the jail to see Patricia. And with each visit, her daughter has seemed more like herself and less like the radical everyone reads about in newspapers. Catherine gives some of the credit to F. Lee Bailey, Patricia's attorney. She heard he put his foot down and demanded that Patricia cut off contact with her fellow political activists. With less of their daily influence, it seems like Patricia is setting aside some of her more radical notions. But Catherine knows that's just the first step to bringing patty back into the family to repairing the deep wounds and reconnecting with her daughter. Be sitting in the drafty visitor's room now, Catherine struggles to find anything to talk about, something they could connect over. Finally, Catherine smiles and asks about crocheting, is Patricia still keeping it up? Patricia says, yeah, she's still doing some. She's working on a scarf now. It gets cold at night in her cell. Catherine nods. This is a good opening, and keeping the conversation going, Catherine begins filling in Patricia on tidbits of Hearst family gossip. Then she talks about the family dogs. She knows Patricia has always liked animals. And soon enough, the conversation starts to feel easy and natural. Catherine almost forgets that they're sitting in a jail, separated by a thick pane of glass. But suddenly in the conversation, Patricia tells her mother, she doesn't have to keep faking it. She knows the family hates her for what she said in those tapes. And while she appreciates the visits and knows it looks good for her cause, they can drop the pretense. Patricia knows it's all just for show. Catherine's face falls. Leaning forward to the glass, she tells her daughter this is absolutely not for show. No one hates her for those tapes. Those recordings were a godsend. They were proof that she was alive. Catherine goes on saying that no one in the family took what she was saying in earnest, she was being held captive. They know she was forced to say some outrageous things. Patricia looks down at the table, gathering her thoughts. Then she asks her mother, why she didn't believe the statements on those tapes. Why didn't she think Patricia actually meant what she said? Catherine smiles and says no one knows Patty Hearst as well as her own family. And if the real Patricia was actually talking on those recordings, she would have been a hell of a lot more sarcastic. Patricia suddenly buries her face in her hands, Catherine worries she made a blunder. She was trying to be playful and connect with her daughter. She might have made things worse. But then with her face still buried in her hands, Patricia starts to laugh. She says she never realized her sarcasm was so infamous in the family. Catherine laughs along with her daughter, feeling at ease for the first time, longer than she can remember. But then Patricia's expression turned series again. She wonders what she can do about those tapes she recorded. They're going to be out in the public forever. Along with all those terrible photos of her, the ones the newspapers couldn't get enough of. Catherine tells her daughter not to spend any more time worrying about newspapers or radio or TV. All that matters is her family. They know the truth about who she really is, and they will always love her. Catherine looks at her daughter. Searching to see if she believes this solemn statement. And for what feels like an eternity, the two sit in silence, not saying a single word. Finally, Patricia nods, but before they can talk anymore, a guard signals that their time is up. Catherine stands and says goodbye. A Patricia has one more question. Is her mother coming back again tomorrow? Catherine looks at Patricia through the glass. Her daughter's face is open and expectant. She seems like the patty she raised. So Catherine assures her daughter that she will be here tomorrow. And she'll keep coming back until Patricia is free. It's late September 1975 in
American Scandal
"patty hearst" Discussed on American Scandal
"You could help. Oh, I don't know about that. Please, just level with me. How much would it take to get her to Cuba? She'd be safe, he couldn't get to her. Randy, I'm not smuggling your daughter to Cuba, then please tell me where is she? How can I get her back? Scott shakes his head. I don't know where she is. And I'm sorry, but at this point, I'd rather not know. It's like carrying around a grenade. Besides, how do you know she even wants to flee the country? Jack, she is a Hearst. And I know you saw her playing dress up on your road trip, but do you really think she's prepared to face prison? I don't think anyone is. But the real question is why your daughter shouldn't be held accountable for her actions. Oh, she probably will. I just don't think prison is the right way to do it. Thank you for your time, Jack. As Randy Hurst, the company's Jack Scott to the door. He feels frustrated that he didn't get further in the conversation. But still the meeting wasn't entirely a flop, Randy learned some important facts. His daughters probably okay, at least physically, and she's not pregnant with the child of one of those maniacs. But it is troubling to hear that Patricia seems committed to the SLA's cause. And the fact remains, if she does face a day of reckoning, it goes up against a judge and jury. There is no telling what might happen. It's September 18th, 1975, a balmy late summer afternoon in a safe house in the outer mission district of San Francisco. Patricia Hearst and Wendy yoshimura share this apartment. And today they've been talking about a familiar subject, the slow disintegration of the SLA, as the group's members and their radical comrades go separate ways. Hearst believes the fault lies in part with Bill Harris, who took over as the leader of the SLA. After the death of sin Q M tume, Harris is no visionary and spends too much of his time bickering with his wife. But it's not just Harris that's gotten her spirits low. Hurst is tired of living as a fugitive. She doesn't want to keep having to pack up her things and move at the moment's notice. Some nights Hearst lies awake in the dark and considers what it would be like to call her parents or friends from college. It's like an old perfume she can't wash off, a sense of the people from her previous life. Hearst assumes none of those people want to hear from her. Not after she made such scathing condemnations of her family and the world she came from. Her taped commentary was broadcast on radio stations and TV. And for months, her parents haven't communicated a single message through the media. It must be that everyone's just given up on her. Hearst pours herself a glass of water and sits back down with Yosemite. As the two continue dissecting the failures of the SLA. They have a lot of complaints about the direction of the group. But it's hard. At this point, the SLA is Hearst's only real family. All she has in this world. The conversation starts to taper off, and Hearst gets up to use the bathroom. But as she walks through a hallway, Hearst hears a commotion behind her. She spins around, and suddenly hers finds two heavy set men storming in through the front door with guns drawn. They shout out, telling Hearst to freeze, it's the FBI. Everything suddenly feels slow and fluid. This is the moment Hearst has been training for the moment she's been dreading. And it's unfolding exactly a syn Q told her it would. She's standing vulnerable with law enforcement aiming their guns directly at her. Earth feels glued to the ground. But then she comes to her senses and takes off, running to Yoshi mura's bedroom, slamming the door, embracing for a barrage of bullets. But no guns are fired, instead one of the agents starts yelling that Hearst needs to come out. She's surrounded and the agents are armed. Hearst feels like she's about to hyperventilate. She doesn't know what to do. There's a shotgun in her own closet, but she could never get there. It Hearst cowers in yoshimaro bedroom, trying frantically to make a decision, something that won't leave her riddled with bullets. And then she remembers the conversation from the farm in New York, many months ago. Yoshimura said she didn't want to die in a shootout with the cops. If her back was against the wall, she would be willing to come out with her hands up to spend time in prison. As long as it meant she could live to see another day. Thinking back on that conversation, Hearst has a moment of clarity. She wants the same thing. She wants to go on living. To keep fighting for the revolution, even if it means spending some amount of time locked up. So Hearst opens the door and steps out of the bedroom. After confirming that she is, in fact, Patricia Hearst. She stands still waiting as an agent slapped handcuffs over her wrists, and leads her down into an FBI squad car, and an uncertain future. From wondery, this is episode three of the kidnapping of Patty Hearst from Americans can. In our next episode, Hearst, bases trial for her role in the hibernia bank robber, but the jury has to decide whether America's most infamous fugitive is a hardened criminal or a victim who was just trying to survive. If you'd like to learn more about Patricia Hurst, we recommend the books American heiress by Jeffrey toobin, and every secret thing by Patricia Campbell Hearst and Alvin Moscow. This episode contains reenactments and dramatized details. And while in most cases, we can't know exactly what was said. All our dramatizations are based on historical research. American scandal is hosted, edited, and executive produced by me, Lindsey Graham for airship. Audio editing by Molly Bach, sound designed by Derek Barrett, music by Lindsey Graham. 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American Scandal
"patty hearst" Discussed on American Scandal
"It's the spring of 1975 in San Francisco. Randy Hurst pours a couple of drinks and heads over to a couch where he takes a seat across from a man with thinning hair and oversized glasses. Jack Scott is a journalist and author. He's also a man who helped smuggle Randy's daughter Patricia across the country, allowing her to escape from the Bay Area. The FBI has been making threats against Scott for harboring Patricia, who's now a wanted criminal for her role in a bank robbery. But the rider has seemed unmoved. At a recent press conference, he even announced that he would never cooperate with the feds. It was a bold stance. But Randy Hurst has a feeling, he might be able to get Scott talking. Maybe even clean some new information about his daughter, and her whereabouts. Randy sets the drinks on a coffee table and takes a seat across from Scott. Well, Jack, I've been enjoying it, but I think we need to talk about something other than baseball. We both know the reason I invited you over. Yeah, of course. Let's get down to it. So, first thing I'd like to know is how did patty seem when you were with her? Are you willing to talk with me about that? Scott shifts in his seat. Randy knows the journalist is going to be cagey. He doesn't want to incriminate himself. Well, that depends. You're going to report me to the FBI? No, no, I never would. This is just for me. I'm a father who lost his daughter. Trying to get her back. Well, I understand. But Randy, if the young woman I saw last summer was in fact, your daughter. She's in good health. At least when I was with her. Okay, thank you. But I did hear something rather upsetting. Is it true she's pregnant? I'm sorry. Where'd you hear that? Your brother. When he went to the police station and reported the group was on your farm. He said something about one of the women being pregnant. Am I mistaken? No, that was a disguise. That one kept me up at night. I can't imagine my daughter was carrying the child of one of her captors. Scott takes a sip from his drink and sets it back on the table. Yeah, I can imagine this whole thing has been very taxing for you and your wife. Jack, do you have any kids? No, I don't. Then you can't even imagine. Every night I'll lie awake wondering, did my daughter actually join the symbionese Liberation Army? Well, the woman I saw seemed very committed. I don't think she was faking it. Well, that doesn't surprise me. Patricia has always been a rebel. Middle child, you know, they have to. They have to do something to stand out. Randy Hirst finishes his drink. And mindlessly rotates the glass, watching the ice swirl. I suppose Jack, it's only a matter of time now, isn't it? I'm sorry, until what? Until they find her. I mean, the feds have a trail of breadcrumbs. Pretty soon, someone the SLA is gonna slip up. And that'll be the end of the manhunt. And then we've got another problem, and this time with the FBI. You're concerned that bureau is going to go after you? No, not me. My concern is that when patty was first taken, the feds and I, we were on the same page. They saw her as an innocent victim, but they've changed their tune. Now patty some bank robbing radical. They don't want to bring her home. They want to send her to jail. I mean, you think that'll go that far? I mean, if it comes to a trial, the jury has to take your side. They'll see she was brainwashed. She has to have been. Well, maybe. But I can't let my daughter face that kind of risk. What happens if she loses? You understand? So you know I've been thinking. Maybe I just need
American Scandal
"patty hearst" Discussed on American Scandal
"Its early 1975 at an FBI office in San Francisco, California. The workday has already started, but special agent Charlie Bates is lying on his office couch half asleep and hungover. Last night was another boozy occasion in the Hearst family library. It's been almost a year since Patricia Hearst was kidnapped, but Bates, the agent overseeing the case, could only give her family the same update as always. The FBI has no news. And as always, Patricia Hearst's father Randy offered a stoic reply, saying that no news is good news, and then topping off their glasses with Morse coach. Base is now paying the price for that drinking. But he still has to put in a full day of work. And so when there's a knock on the door, Bates groans tells whoever it is to come on in. A younger agent steps into the office and tells Bates they've gotten a new tip in the Hearst case. This one comes from police and Scranton, Pennsylvania. Apparently, a drunken man walked into the station last night and said he knew where Patricia Hearst and the surviving members of the SLA have been hiding. Bates rubs his temples trying to process this latest in an endless stream of farcical news. For months now, tips have been pouring in across the country. Bates estimates the bureau has interviewed some 5000 people, just in the Bay Area alone. But all these have turned out to be false leads. Patty Hearst, the most famous kidnapping victim in the world. Apparently no longer wants to be found. The FBI's reputation has been on the line, but even with the countless hours they've spent on the case, the bureau still has nothing. They've begun to look like fools. So hearing this latest report out of Scranton Bates starts to laugh. The case has already become a joke to the public. Now they're dealing with some drunk, telling tall tales and police stations. Bates tells the younger agent to file this one away along with all the other bad tips. But the younger agent doesn't budge, he says that the drunken man is named Walter Scott, and he claims it was his own parents who drove Patricia Hearst out to Pennsylvania at the behest of his brother, a journalist. They took her to a farmhouse where she and the other SLA members kept a low profile. But this Scott guy seems to have an axe to grind with his family and is now spilling the beans. So even if he is a drunk, he may still have some credible information. Bates sits up a little more interested. This actually could be a breakthrough. But he asks one last question. Does this man Walter Scott know where the farmhouse is? The younger agent nods, and that seals the deal. Bates orders a team out to Scranton to talk to Scott. It's probably another dead end, but if it's not, it could be a turning point for the case. Later that week, a burly FBI agent squints in the afternoon sun on a farm in rural Pennsylvania. The day is getting late, and the agent wants his colleagues to hurry up before nightfall. He doesn't want to lose another day. But the other agents have to work slowly and methodically. They're searching for any clues that the symbionese Liberation Army was recently in this house, and they can't afford to make mistakes. Finally, the last of the team members access the farmhouse, and the burly FBI agent looks down at the dog standing by his side. The bloodhound has been trained to identify trace human smells. And when the agent snaps his fingers, the dog comes to attention. The agent then holds a silky pajama shirt to the bloodhound's nose. He comes from Hearst's apartment in Berkeley, a relic from the young woman's life before her kidnapping. Hound sniffs the shirt, and it sets his eyes on the farmhouse. His body alert, and focused. The FBI agent walks the dog inside. He can tell this space was recently occupied, dirty dishes are in the sink. Newspapers are strewn about, and as the bloodhound presses its wet nose to the floor, and then to the furniture, its nostrils flare. But the hound doesn't yet detect Patty Hearst's unique scent. It's discouraging. There is a chance hearse could have been here, but her scent has disappeared. Or she may never have been here. There's no way of knowing. But then the agent feels the dog leash go taught. The hound begins pulling toward the farmhouse staircase. The agent follows the dog up the stairs to the second floor. How now seems fixated, its nose moving back and forth, sniffing the air. It leads the agent to a bedroom, where a mattress and crumpled sheets are on the floor. The dog buries its nose in the bedding, it sniffs hard, and then begins to bark. The FBI bloodhounds alert indicates that Patricia Hearst was here in the bedroom. If so, it's a breakthrough in the case. And within moments the forensic team files into the room, dusting for fingerprints, bagging other evidence. They still have a lot of questions, including where Hearst and the SLA might have gone next. But for the first time, they have a real path forward, and a chance to make an arrest. It's the morning of April 21st, 1975, and Carmichael California. In the driver's seat of a stolen van, Patricia Hearst stares out the window. Her eyes trained on the Crocker national bank down the street. Hearst checks her watch, it's been more than 90 seconds, and it shouldn't be taking this long. Inside the bank, SLA member Emily Harris is leading a robbery. She's joined by a handful of leftist radicals who've teamed up with SLA. Hearst is driving the getaway vehicle, and like her accomplices, she's wearing a modest disguise, a floral blouse, sunglasses, and a brown wig. It is not the first time Hearst has been part of this kind of operation. A year ago, she and the SLA robbed another bank, an event that became a national sensation. And getting media coverage was exactly the point. The SLA was performing an act of political theater, showing the country that Hearst had become a radical and a criminal. But this time, the group isn't trying to score headlines. They just need the money. It's only been half a year since Hurst, the Harris, and the fugitive Wendy Yoshi mura left the east coast and headed back to California. Hearst knew it was a risky decision. But they were broke and stuck on a farm covered in mosquito bites. In California, they have social ties, connections, and a network of activists like the ones helping
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"patty hearst" Discussed on American Scandal
"It's the evening of May 17th, 1974. In a motel room in Anaheim, California, Patricia Hearst is sitting on a carpet watching the news. In a live broadcast, armed police officers in Los Angeles are swarming a residential neighborhood. A small yellow house is burning to the ground, and as billows a smoke drift into the sky, one of the TV commentators asks the question that seems to be on everyone's mind, has Patricia Hearst just died. Her sits up, disoriented by the surreal turn of events. Only minutes ago, the core members of the symbionese Liberation Army got in a shootout with Los Angeles Police. The two sides exchanged thousands of rounds. It was a chaotic battle with seemingly no end inside. What the fight took a turn when the SLA's house suddenly burst into flames, drawing into a raging inferno. Hearst and two SLA members, Bill and Emily Harris, sat watching the violent spectacle on TV. And no one had to say what they were all thinking. Their comrades weren't going to survive. In the motel room, Hearst continues watching the coverage, her eyes glossy, and blank. She knows she's at least partly responsible for the horrifying deaths they've just watched on live TV. The deaths of people like cujo, Jelena, and sin Q M tume, the leader of the SLA. Just yesterday, Hearst was waiting in a van when Bill Harris tried to shoplift from a sporting goods store. He was caught in the act, but instead of letting him get arrested, Hearst pulled out a submachine gun and began firing at the store. The stunt broke up the scene and Hurst and the Harris went on the run. They didn't dare return to the SLA safe house, and endanger the others, but despite their efforts, they couldn't stop the police from tracking down several members of the group. The police descended on the SLA's house and soon TV journalists had their cameras rolling as the SLA opened fire on the police, leading to a long shootout, and ablaze, the seems to have taken everyone's lives. The death and destruction have left Hearst feeling sick with remorse for her role in the tragedy. She was never exactly a consenting member of the group. She had only joined after the SLA kidnapped her and kept her trapped in a dark closet, threatening to kill her. Still, for months now, these political radicals have been her entire world. It seems her mother and father gave up trying to rescue her. And the FBI wants to prosecute Hearst for taking part in the SLA's bank robbery, and although the SLA had initially dressed her up in combat fatigues, imposed her for photos like a prop. They also fed her housed her and trained her to defend herself. They were her kidnappers, but she had also become their comrade. Or at least she used to have that feeling. The core members of the group are now likely dead, and hers doesn't know what's going to happen. What she and the other two remaining members should do, or whether this is the end of the SLA, and the beginning of a new chapter for Hearst. Hearst looks over at Bill Harris, who still gazing at the TV. Sin Q warned about this, weren't about what? He said the biggest threat to my life wasn't the SLA. It was the police. I guess he was right. Yeah, of course he was right. It doesn't matter if your last name is Hearst. If you were in that house, you would have gone down with them. They don't care. The negotiators, they didn't say come out with Patty Hearst will take you home. They would have killed me if they had the chance. Of course they would. It was just dumb luck you were sitting here in a motel. Well, I'm tired of sitting around in motel. Oh, yeah? What do you want to do? The cops, the FBI. They're all still looking for us. Hearst gets up and begins pacing. Let's get back to LA. Do a search and destroy mission on the cops. You want to go up against the LAPD. The three of us, if we're going to go out, let's go out in a blaze of glory. Cops have to pay. Harris, like many SLA members, has wondered if Hearst has only been playing the part of a violent radical, making it seem like she's ready to fight. Her fury now is clearly not entirely an act. But still, Harris doesn't seem convinced. No, we're not going up against the cops. Why not? Because what is it going to accomplish? We're fighting a war. Yeah, but we're not just at war with the police. We're fighting oppression. Pollution, capitalism, poverty, and shooting cops right now isn't going to accomplish anything on those fronts. Look, if you're scared, go ahead and say it. I'll be honest, I'm scared. But I'm still ready to fight. Now, come on. Hearst heads over to a nightstand and grabs the car keys, but Aristotle. Now you realize I'm the leader here. I was next in line after sin Q. Oh, you may think you're in charge, but have you ever fired a gun at someone? Because I have. As your leader, I'm telling you to stand down. This isn't the time to be cautious. Let me be clear if I have to use a gun I will stand down. That's an order stand down. Okay. Okay. Hearst takes a seat in an armchair and tries to calm herself. To let go of the rage that's now coursing through her. Hearst never set out to be a radical activist. That role was forced on her after weeks spent in isolation, just trying to survive. But hers can feel that something inside her has shifted. Perhaps it's a political awakening. A dawning understanding of the world and all its horrors in inequities. A commitment to a cause bigger than herself, and a recognition that she can never go back. Not back to her friends or family, or her old life. 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John Zmirak Decribes When America Was Kidnapped Like Patty Hearst
"America was kidnapped the way Patty Hearst was. And the kidnapping really started with the Chinese bioweapon came to America when COVID hit America and our elites decided to weaponize the panic over that. I don't know if you remember, but I remember being told that the virus could linger in the air for up to 24 hours. So that you couldn't go out anywhere because like the black plague, this new and mysterious virus was hanging in the air and nothing you could do could protect you. I remember being actually scared. When they first closed our churches, I guess I thought, I guess that's prudent because a lot of our priests are over 70. We don't want them all dying. We as more information filtered in, despite not because of despite our elites who were hiding the truth. We're lying about the origins of the virus. We're lying about what could treat it. We're suppressing information about hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin. We're suspending and persecuting doctors like Peter McCulloch, who are actually treating people. Our elites, what were they doing? They were dumping virus patients in nursing homes, killing thousands of elderly Americans of Korean War veterans and great grandmothers. Why? Why? To spike the death numbers so that they could declare states of emergency. John, excuse me. Ladies and gentlemen, what John is saying is true. Number one, number two, it's almost unbelievable, which is why so many people don't believe it because it's too painful. And
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John Zmirak: America Is Patty Hearst
"Talk about the piece that you wrote behind you. People who watch this on video can see behind you the image of a young Patty Hearst, symbiote, the symbionese Liberation Army in the 70s when we were kids kidnapped her. She was of extremely wealthy heiress. And people who are younger wouldn't know this, but something happened. Her captors sort of brainwashed her into thinking the way they were thinking. So that she sided with the people who tortured and raped and kidnapped her. And it's called Stockholm syndrome. And you've written a piece that's streamed dot org that deals with that. So go ahead and tell us about that piece. Yeah, Patti Hearst was grabbed by a bunch of San Francisco radicals of the kind that formed Kamala Harris, Willie Brown was the political mentor of Kamala Harris. He was also the political mentor of Harvey Milk, the gay activist and the reverend Jim Jones, the left wing cult leader who started that compound in Guyana and got everyone to take cyanide and drink in the Kool-Aid. This ferment, this world of crazed radicalism is what gave birth to the woke movement, which currently dominates the entire Democratic Party and is being posed on the United States.
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"patty hearst" Discussed on American Scandal
"May 16th, 1974, and bill Harris is walking through the aisles of a sporting goods store in Inglewood, California. Harris has a thick mustache and a pair of aviator sunglasses perched on his nose. As he peruses the aisles, he knows he doesn't look conspicuous, just another guy out shopping on a Thursday. But for Harris maintaining a low profile is key, he and his wife Emily are two of the core members of the symbionese Liberation Army. They go by the names Tycho and Yolanda, and they've worked side by side with the group's leader sin Q as the SLA has carried out a series of risky missions. Most recently, the SLA led a high profile operation in the Bay Area, robbing a bank, and making sure Patricia Hearst was caught on camera. The robbery was largely a work of fever, showing the world that Patricia Hearst had given up her allegiance to the ruling class and become a radical activist. As a work of propaganda, Harris will admit the operation was a success. Hearst's photo was printed in newspapers across the country. It kept her story front and center, giving the SLA another opportunity to publicize its message. Still, if Harris is being honest, he's begun to question sink Hugh's leadership. He agrees it was smart to relocate to Los Angeles. Sin Q thought going to LA would make the group harder to track, and they've had a chance to get some fresh recruits in the new city. But beside growing the group and running away from the cops, sin Q doesn't seem to have a coherent vision. No real strategy to bring about systemic change. Still, sin Q is their leader, and Harris has agreed to follow orders. So today, it's his duty to pick up some basic supplies from a sporting goods store. He came down here with his wife and Patricia Hearst, who's waiting for them outside in the van, serving as a lookout. Harris gathers up supplies, trying to move fast. He doesn't want anyone to spot Hurst in the parking lot. But as he turns a corner, Harris spots a shotgun shell bandolier, hanging from Iraq. Harris pauses, staring at the belt. For mons he and his wife have been bouncing between safe houses. It's been a meager existence, and although Harris does object to the excesses of capitalism, sometimes he finds himself longing for material goods, like this bandolier, sitting right in front of him. Harris knows he can't buy it. That might arouse suspicion. But he doesn't want to walk away from it either. So looking both ways, he picks it up and slides it into his pocket. And then he heads to the register to buy a few things and get out of the store. But as Harris begins making his way to the exit, the clerk's voice pipes up behind him. The man asks whether Harris is planning to pay for the item he's clearly shoplifting. Harris turns and looks at his wife. He knows he's just made a huge mistake. But they can't let themselves be apprehended. Not only are both of them carrying concealed pistols, but the most infamous woman in America is waiting for them in a van across the street. Harris has only one option. He dashes out of the store, heading to the van, but the second he makes it to the sidewalk, Harris slammed to the ground by the store clerk and another employee. Soon, other men from the store pile on in a heap of bodies. Harris can hear his wife yelling through the melee. It's a chaotic mass of grunting man and flailing arms, and Harrison is about to give up. But suddenly, bullets begin sailing across Crenshaw boulevard. The windows of the store crack and burst apart, and when Harris and the other men look up, they find Patricia Hearst, unloading a submachine gun out of the window of the van. The man scramble up, scattering in every direction. Harris knows it's only a matter of minutes before the cops show up. So as soon as her stops firing, Harrison his wife run toward the van. Harris jumps in the driver's seat, cranks the key and guns the engine. As he takes off down Crenshaw, he lays his foot on the pedal driving like a madman. Only looking away from the road to steal a glance at Patricia Hearst, who surrounded by a stockpile of guns and ammo, and staring out the window with a look of fury. A day later, Randy Hurst enters the Dan of his home in hillsborough, California. He and his wife, Catherine, sit down with a group of FBI agents. Men who've been living in their house full time. As Randy pours himself another drink, he launches back into a heated debate, telling the agents he doesn't believe the theories. His daughter Patricia is not a radical. And it doesn't matter what she said on some recording, or if she was party to some shoot at it, sporting goods store. One of the agents begins to push back, noting the seriousness of the situation. His daughter is on record, saying she decided to stay with her captors. The writers Randy is about to rehash his argument. A door to the den swings open and the family's cook steps into the room, looking nervous. She sputters out something about the SLA. The police have found them, and it's all over TV. Randy and his wife Catherine exchange a look. Then Randy hurries forward and turns on the TV, flipping to a local news station. On the screen is live footage from Los Angeles, hundreds of officers are on the scene, helicopters are buzzing in the sky, and a police officer with a bullhorn is shouting at a rundown yellow house, demanding that those inside come out with their hands up. Catherine turns away from the screen, looking appalled. Of Randy turned this off. Catherine, patty could be inside that house. It's exactly turn it off. You don't want to see our daughter. Don't want to see our daughter get killed in a fight with the police. You think it's true that she's become one of them? You think she's going to stand there with her comrades, firing guns at the police? Catherine shakes her head as a tear forms in her eye. I don't know what to think. Catherine, she's still our girl. She's been living with a gun to her head. And even if she was brainwashed by those lunatics, the idea she may have picked up are not going to stick with her. We'll get our daughter back. I just don't want to watch. I can't do it. Catherine wipes away a tear and storms out of the room. Randy understands his wife's feelings. But he refuses to turn off the TV. Not when there's a chance his daughter might come out of that house alive and free. So he turns back to the TV and keeps watching. The moment is tense, nothing is certain. And then gunfire wraps on both sides, and the LAPD shoots tear gas into the house. And then the reporter cries out that the house is on fire. Thick, black smoke begins curling up from the structure. And then flames erupt from the windows as the house is engulfed in an inferno, with everything burning. From wondering, this is episode two of the kidnapping of Patty Hearst from American scandal. In our next episode, law enforcement closes in on the remaining members of the SLA, while the hearse family grapples with a devastating loss. If you'd like to learn more about the kidnapping of Patricia Hearst, we recommend the books American heiress by Jeffrey toobin, and every secret thing by Patricia Campbell Hearst and Alvin Moscow. This episode contains reenactments and dramatized details. And while in most cases, we can't know exactly what was said in all our dramatizations are based on historical research. American scandal is hosted, edited and executive produced by me, Lindsey Graham for airship. Audio editing by Molly Bach, sound designed by Derek Barron's music by Lindsey Graham. This episode is written by AJ marisha, edited by Christina malzberg. Our senior producer is Gabe ribbon. Executive producers are Stephanie Chan's Jenny Laura beckman and Marshall Louis for wondering.
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"patty hearst" Discussed on American Scandal
"And Hearst is the perfect target. She's an heiress to a publishing empire, a princess from the ruling class. Sin Q stares down at the petite young woman in the photo, mulling over the idea. Kidnapping someone from the hearse family, a family that made enormous wealth off capitalist propaganda. That would make a splash. And people would see the SLA as a true revolutionary group, one fighting against injustice and greed. There's no doubt such a high profile kidnapping would be a risk. Especially now that they're being haunted by cops for murder. But for sin Q, it's a risk worth taking. So the SLA's leader gives Harris the okay to track down Hearst. To start preparing for a mission that will put the SLA on the map. It's after midnight on January 10th, 1974, in Concord, California. It's an overcast night, and police officer David duges is patrolling a series of quiet streets in his cruiser. It's about midway through his shift, and he hasn't seen anything worth remarking on. But that's not much of a surprise. It's a weeknight and suburban Concorde. It's not Oakland or San Francisco. But as he rounds a bend, duge notices a beat up van that seems out of place on a residential street. And something about it rubs him the wrong way. So douge decides to have a look. Douche flashes his lights and pulls over his patrol car. He hops out of his cruiser and approaches the van on foot. When he's close enough, dude knocks on the driver's side window. It rolls down, revealing two men with greasy hair and mustaches. Douche squints as he takes stock of the young men. While evening gentlemen, notice you hear on the street, the driver just shrugs. Is that a crime officer? Well, it depends. Can I see some ID? The driver pulls out a license, which lists his name as Robert scalise. All right, mister scalise. What are you doing in this area tonight? We're just trying to find our way to my friend's house. Kind of a little turned around. And your buddy is expecting you at a one in the morning? Well, we're running late. And you didn't think to find a pay phone and just give him a call. Instead, you just decided to sit here in the dark. Well, officer, like I said, we're a little lost. We should probably be on our way. And swings his flashlight to the back of the van. Strange. Windows are covered with black curtains. Nothing about this is adding up. So douge aims his light at the man in the passenger seat. I'm going to need to see your ID too, please. The driver shakes his head. Oh, officer, that's not necessary. It's not your call. Let me see that ID, son. The passenger hands over his ID, and duge inspected under his flashlight. The name on the card says Joe ramiro. Douche takes a moment to review the facts. These men could be telling the truth, just a couple of guys trying to hang out with a friend who got a little lost. But the officer isn't going to take any chances. Okay, all right. You fellas just stay here for a minute. And I'll be right back. Dues returns to his cruiser and runs the names off the IDs. Nothing turns out from the search, but the officer still has a bad feeling about these guys. And sometimes police work is all about feelings. Doge isn't going to risk anything. So when he returns to the van, he asks the man of the passenger seat to step out. When he does, douge asks ramiro if he has any weapons on him. Ramiro hesitates. And as douge moves to perform a frisk, ramiro quickly steps back and opens his jacket, revealing a pistol. The officer snaps into action, a sprints to his cruiser looking for cover. But before he can reach the car, Ramirez begins firing. The gunshots echo through the quiet streets as duges leaps behind his own vehicle and adrenaline courses through his veins. His pupils dilate, and when there's a break in the gunfire, duge grips his own weapon and leaps up to fire back. But he misses, and ramiro flees by foot, taking off into the darkness as the van begins racing down the street. Duges reaches for his police radio and calls out to dispatch, announcing that he's been fired at and needs backup. Douge waiting his cruiser, holding tight for support. He isn't sure he's safe, the man could still come back and try to finish what they started. And sure enough, right as his backup arrives, the van reappears, driving right toward them. Its engine groaning in the night air. Douge kneels down, aiming his gun at the vehicle. He calls out for the van to stop, and it slows down eventually coming to a halt. The driver steps out of the van, as the other officers rush forward and place him in handcuffs. With one man now in custody, officer doge decides to have a look inside the van. Duz opens the door with his flashlight raised, he crouches and climbs through the van. He crawls over beer bottles and fast food wrappers. When he reaches the back of the vehicle, duge discovers a stack of brightly colored flyers. He leans closer, inspecting them. He picks one up and sees an image of a 7 headed cobra, and the word symbionese Liberation Army. The officer flinches. The SLA is the group responsible for assassinating Marcus foster. They're violent political radicals. And if the man they arrested tonight is involved with the organization, the police may be one step closer to finding The Killers and bringing them to justice. From wondering this is episode one of the kidnapping of Patty Hearst from American scam. In our next episode, the hearse family begins public negotiations to get their daughter back from the SLA, but when Patricia's voice broadcasted across the nation, she makes a startling announcement about her family, her captors, and the next chapter of her life. If you like to learn more about Patricia Hurst, we recommend the books American heiress by Jeffrey toobin, and every secret thing by Patricia Campbell Hearst in Alvin Moscow. This episode contains reenactments and dramatized details. And while in most cases, we can't know exactly what was said. All our dramatizations are based on historical research. American scandal is hosted, edited, executive produced by me, Lindsey Graham for airship. Audio editing by Molly Bach, sound designed by Derek Barron's music by Lindsey Graham. This episode is written by AJ mayor shop, edited by Christina malzberg. Our senior producer is Gabe ribbon. Executive producers are Stephanie Jen's, Channing Lauer beckman, and Marshall Louis for wondering.
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"patty hearst" Discussed on ICYMI
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We're gonna delve into the messiness and get it what we're actually talking about when we talk about west elm Caleb because at this point, some toxic combination of TikTok's algorithm and the Internet's voracious appetite for Dora has turned us into something so much bigger than the story of one dude. Accused of doing some shitty things. We'll get into all of that after the break. On wonder east podcast even the rich, co host Brooke and orisha share stories from behind the scenes of some of the most famous and infamous celebrities in history. From Madonna to Britney Spears and from the Kardashians to the house of Gucci. And in an all new season, they investigate the shocking kidnapping of eris Patty Hearst. Even the rich gives you the inside scoop on the drama that keeps these families in the spotlight. How these dynasties were built and the lengths they are willing to go to protect the family name. 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"patty hearst" Discussed on ICYMI
"And my main stories about aim are not. Tell us, tell us. Do you remember the website omega? Just penises on parade. How old are you? What are you talking about? Do you know chat roulette Caroline? Yeah, I know chat roulette. It's a cousin. It's basically like that. So I never used the video function, but there was a video function, but basically, you log onto omega omega and it's just a blank chat screen and you're put into a random chat with some stranger. And so you just talk to strangers, basically. And if there was a video function where you would also end up on video, but I was always doing it at a friend's house. And so we were like, we're not going to do a video. We're just going to do the chat function. And we will spend hours on the eagle. That is installing in and out of chats with strangers. But this goes to aim because there was this one dude. Me and my me and my old best friend met on Omegle who his name was Eric. And I swear to God, I had an entire 13 year old relationship with this dude that I never met in my entire life. And we switched from omega to our aim like relationship and spent hours talking to each other and I am just like, why was I doing? He was in an entirely different state, never met him in my entire life. Still never met him. And it was my mother knew about this. She would have murdered me. She would have killed me. I did confirm he was actually the same age as me, so how did you get first of all? How did you confirm that? He gave me his Facebook profile. We eventually did move to Facebook Messenger, so there were until you're right. No one has ever lied in their faces. No one's ever you're right. That would be impossible. That was ever light on Facebook. Okay, I just, okay, I have so many questions about this. What was it about talking to strangers that was interesting to you? I only wanted to talk to boys that I could potentially pass in the hallway the next day. You know? That was like my main goal. I think the kind of draw of it was just the fact that it was someone that you would theoretically never meet and also that it was just this complete random. And so you would always be with my friend. We would do it together. I rarely ever did it by myself. And so sometimes people would just troll people and so the first thing that they always asked was ASL. And so we would be like, oh, 40 male Florida and see who they were telling the truth. But you verified that they were telling you were 40 year old man living in Florida. But don't worry, the guy you were talking to was your age. And you saw that on Facebook. Okay, okay. I'm just making a lot of holes in my 14 year old relationship, and I don't need it. Look, I'm just here as an investigator, you know? I don't want you to be tarnishing the reputation of my beloved aim and AOL. We're having so much fun talking to you, Caroline, but we have to take a quick short break. 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WTOP
"patty hearst" Discussed on WTOP
"Make mornings matter At 6 35 An effort to reunite separated migrant children and parents is said to be making headway The families had been split up at the southern border under former president Trump's zero tolerance policy and this past year the Biden administration has been working to get the families back together Today Homeland Security is expected to announce that 100 kids mostly from Central America are with their parents again about 350 more are waiting in the wings for the same thing Consumer prices continue to rise at a record pace If you think everything seems more expensive you're right U.S. consumer prices rose nearly 6% the past year That's the fastest pace of 39 years as an inflation surge impacted Americans as the holiday shopping season started And CBS correspondent Jim Croce Lula consumer spending accounts for about 70% of economic activity it rose about 0.6% in November a solid game at well below a 1.4% gain in October She was one of America's most respected and sometimes controversial writers Joan didion is dead from complications of Parkinson's She was known for her cool dissection of culture and politics covering everything from the hippie movement to presidential campaigns and the kidnapping of Patty Hearst Some of her standout works include harissa collection the white album as well as some essential works of literary journalism like slouching towards Bethlehem Joan didion was 87 We'll check in with Washington Post film critic and Hornaday on two big holiday movie releases It's 6 37 University of Maryland university college he's now university.
AJ Benza: Fame is a Bitch
"patty hearst" Discussed on AJ Benza: Fame is a Bitch
"Walking down the Hollywood Boulevard with the kids after the van Gogh exhibit. And I'd come across some stars of old celebrities. We did mysteries and scandals on. One of which was Thomas ince, INC, he's one of those names that not many of you know. You can admit it. It's okay. Thomas ince is considered the first film tycoon. He was acting and directing several movies. He built his own film studio called intil back in 1912. It was the largest film studio at the time. It had stages, offices, commissaries, dressing rooms. We're talking props, sets, all the necessities now considered standard, but this is back in 1912. 110 years ago, and then he went on to found triangle studios, Paramount Pictures, and GM and Thomas H ince studios. That's quite a life for a guy you never heard of. And during his lifetime, he was involved in making, oh, I don't know, over 800 films. And as the first producer director, he changed the way films were made because at the time directors and cameramen managed production, but he decided to expand the role of the producer in the filmmaking process. He also invented shooting scripts and the 5 reel film, which is still in use today.
The Rich Eisen Show
"patty hearst" Discussed on The Rich Eisen Show
"What we're doing one trade center fell. I was home With the dame ship pal and adam ferrara accurate into my house and we really thought you know. This isn't comedy. We're not gonna laughing again anytime soon. And i wrote letters to the friars and teach you have ner central and they said we don't do this show terrorist win and that was not ashamed act and that was something that would really happen. That would be half a million dollars that we're raising. The twin towers fund would be would never happen and wound up being a highlight of my career. And i liked for new york at that time and people go well. Three weeks after nine eleven. Of course you could do a show when people forget and you'll remember rich is we. Were walking around in the dust bowl a human dust. You couldn't write jokes. You could think straight it was a mission. If you doing comedy you weren't showing up. Stone watering comedy clubs. You were a man woman mission and the film really showed that it shows people like bob sagging and really going for it and a lot of sound that live people and you know mayor guiliani expanded moment with blowing michael's whatever you think of guiliani. Now he really put portrayed in a fascinating courageous lay in this spill. And there's a lot of really good funny. I highly recommend nine eleven to soon. I've now we'll talk more about it. And now that it is very sophisticated. Laser a big chair like a big mock guy knows what he's talking about. You know what it was truly one of being on that day that night. was truly one of the greatest moments of my life to be very honest with you and just because being a native new yorker to there at the time. And i'm such a an aficionado of comedy and roasts and the person who put me on that day was you and you know it was one of those times where i'm going out. And it was really weird. Even go out to social event in those weeks after nine eleven in new york city. But i just forced myself to do it. That's when i ran into you that night and you know we had a nice chat We'd never met before. I told you. I loved your Bea arthur joke. I think i had you at hello and i said that and And then you're like you have a tuxedo town. I'm like yeah sure you're like come to the roast in two days. If you're around and i was and i did and i'll never forget it and we have been friends ever sent a lot that you know friendships. He's roast spring people together and here we are twenty years later talking about it and we've shared a million meals and a million lasting. Yes and these things really do live out Whether it's normal performance people still talk about bob saggoze roast or or or that night where we all got together and defied the terror in new york. And you remember any jokes rich. The buddy come after you at that. Nobody came after neo man. Who because if i started i was so damned far down the day i was in between our second to last on the left and i was in between the amazing crespin and frankie in the middle muniz and then And then because there was a fight a prize fight in madison square garden and the the rose started so late. People got up and seat filler. And i wound up being five seats from the podium. In between joey pants joe pantoliano and who knew it. Friar's club member patty hearst and i'll never forget being there for the joke and all the jokes and wondering what the hell was. Gilbert godfrey too tempting. Why was laughing about it and it was the aristocrats joke and there was a whole movie made out of that. I'll never forget lovey. Jeff ross read right back. Thanks for the call. You got very cathartic thing all the best. That's jeffrey ross. Let's take a break. Let's be on time for joel truly. Oh because i'm sure he's on time right now. We got a little late..
990 The Answer
"patty hearst" Discussed on 990 The Answer
"Com Hmm. Welcome back. This is Christine Flowers sitting in for the great Chris Diggle. I'm here with Victoria and the studio. She's keeping me Cos is keeping me sane. We're doing all this. Uh, we're sort of. I think we're I think we're doing a great job this morning anyway. Um, the theme is hypocrisy. As I said in the first half hour, I wanted to talk a little bit about hypocrisy. So let me say we did. Ilhan Omar and I talked about Marjorie Taylor Green and I talked about Kamala Harris and Joe Mansion and that's a little history tour there. Robert Byrd. Who did I forget La la? Oh, yeah. Jeffrey Toobin, all of you out there, and they're here. Jeffrey Toobin is right. Here's the guy who went a little funky on his zoom call about five months ago. Remember him? He used to be used to be. Uh huh. Still is the chief legal correspondent for CNN. And he wrote a bunch of books is actually a fantastic author. I love his books on the Supreme Court. The nine the oath. Um, but he wrote a great book on the O. J trial, I think was that the run of his life the O. J trial. He also wrote one on Patty Hearst. I mean credit where credit is due. Jeffrey Toobin is a fabulous author. And I love his books. He is a supercilious, um, fabulous, patronizing, smug, snarky. Uh, however any I mean, you know how many words I can use to describe hit me is just a snooty fellow. He has an attitude problem, but he's a great writer, and I I would assume that he was a very good attorney when I think he was a federal prosecutor for some years, But as we all know, Jackie had some problems on zoom, and he was dropped from his 26 year tenure as a writer for The New Yorker, and he was suspended temporarily. I thought it was going to be a permanent suspension, but he was suspended temporarily from his chief legal correspondent seat on CNN. So he missed out on all the fun with the election. Oh, poor Jeffrey. The other day he was back. He was back. I'll be back. He was there sitting across from Alison Camerata, who I personally believe, has been demoted from her slot at CNN. She used to be the morning anchor, first with Chris Cuomo, who got promoted to an evening show. And then John Berman, who is still on the morning show. Um and I, You know, everybody's like, Oh, no, she didn't get demoted. She has her. On show in the afternoons. I'm sorry it's in the dead of the afternoon. Nobody watches that show except when you get someone on there who did some really kinky stuff on Zoom and he's coming back on, and he's doing the apology tour. Now I'm playing it very safe because I don't want to say anything that I'm not allowed to say. And then I would be permanently suspended from W N. T. V. So I'm not going to say what the kinky stuff was that he did, But, you know, just You. You can figure it out yourself. All of you out there. Know exactly what the kinky stuff was that Jeffrey? I mean, what do you think all of you out there, you know, is kinky on zoom that people can see. And that you're not supposed to see and that you're supposed to do in the privacy of your own, You know, kitchen or whatever, anyway, so they brought Jeffrey Kinky Zoom Tubin on to apologize. You know, for his on Transgressions and, um, it was really difficult moment It was. It was cringe inducing. I love they say it's cringe. E. The kids call it. It's cringe, E. I was watching it and he he apologized, But it was almost he apologized with the same tone that he always used to use that supercilious. So humble kind of thing like, yes, I did something wrong, But I'm so wonderful. You're really lucky to have me back and I'm thinking to myself If it had been a conservative who had done this, a Republican who had done this, there is no way shape or form that he would be allowed back on that network. In fact, if you remember Rick Santorum Made a comment about Native American culture. I think he said something along the lines of there was no Native American culture. Yeah, little tone deaf, their breath I love wrecked by well toned up kind of stupid. There is a lot of his American culture. Um, he misspoke. Maybe he didn't get the context. Correct. But whatever happened, he was That was it. He was gone. Bye bye. You're gone wreck from the same network CNN that welcomed back with open on Do. I hope they were sanitized open arms, Jeffrey Toobin and it just It just points out the right hypocrisy out there about people who, you know. I mean, who just think that liberals can do? No wrong As long as they give you know, they put forth didn't see means a little bit of an apology. You know to me? I'm a moderate. I am a conservative. I'm a you know, staunch social conservative. I'm pro life down the line. Um, a bunch of other issues. I am I have a really hard time with Um you know the whole idea of playing around with our pronouns and what have you but I'm a moderate generally when it comes to politics, But anyone anyone with a brain can step back and look at the rank hypocrisy with the treatment of Jeffrey Toobin compared to any other conservative who would have engaged in that same sort of activity. All right. We are going to head to traffic.
Joe Pags
Famed Criminal Attorney F. Lee Bailey, Dead at 87
"The U. S. Famed defense attorney F. Lee Bailey has died. The 87 year old rose to national fame defending some notorious names, including O. J. Simpson, Dr Sam Sheppard, Patty Hearst and the Boston Strangler. He died at his home in Georgia. Bailey was disbarred in the early two thousands over its handling of shares
KGO 810
"patty hearst" Discussed on KGO 810
"Ron and Larry King. We're friends, You know, they go way back. Um, he was on KGO. Larry King was on kgo and the roles were reversed because Ron became the interviewer Ron interviewed Larry King on I can tell you they had a blast when they were on together. So if you have an opportunity to hear the Ron Owens report today, you should hear the things that Ron Owen has to say about his friend his send off to Larry King. Wait a wait a wait Tennis The telephone number 80 88 10. Let's go. Too mad Max calling from agnosia. Hey, Matt. Welcome to KGO either. That? Yeah. I had lots of fun when? Uh, Larry King was on late night radio, and I suppose one of the most interesting experiences I had. He had on Jimmy Carter as a former president, and I have no idea how I got through. But somehow I got through and You know, when Larry King asked, What's your question for Jimmy Carter and I made it short and sweet. I said the, Um Mr President. Did you have pardoned Richard Nixon? And there was several seconds of silence and you saying that's a very good question, And I'm not quite sure what I What have you done? And I think he volunteered that he commuted. Uh, Patty Hearst. Uh, sentence. So, uh, you know, sometimes I call up and ask his guess. You know, That was a terrific question for you to ask Jimmy Carter. That was that was great. And I think it probably would not be very easy to get past screeners and to get on his program the congratulations to you for doing that. And did you do that? More than once? That was the interesting thing. He he never screened his calls, which I know, you know, let you let the connection ring and the producer would pick up the phone and say, Uh uh, What city are you calling from, please? And then they just put your Right on. It was Larry King's philosophy. You know, we thought, um, I believe that if you get in, you should get on how long you stay on is, But that is fantastic. Oh, mad. I'm so glad you called. I love that story. That is absolutely fantastic. So he would just call it. It's a which question for the former president. And then you needed to be good. And if you were good by your question, I guess would be answered. We're gonna take a little break. Care. We'll get some more of your phone calls when we come back. Larry King is what we're talking about. In the first part of the program here, 80 88 10 is our telephone number 4158080810. I'm Pat Thurston, You're listening to K G O With no fees or minimums on checking and savings accounts. Banking with capital One is like the easiest decision in the history of decisions. Kind of like choosing Charles Barkley in a pickup game..
The Indicator from Planet Money
The Birth Of The Greenback
"Stacey next. Jacob Feldstein. Planet money author of money the true story of amid up during a new book. Say I. brought props for us to do the indicator. I say. That's been months. It's been. That guy's been honking hall eight months. I have props came over so I could give you these troughs. Okay. Go ahead and look at them. All right. Okay. So, this is like a really high quality xerox of an old piece of money. THREE DOLLAR BILL RE dollar bill that's really a real thing. There's like a a lady standing next to in like a ball gown standing next to a cow to I chose a cow to pander to you I do love a cow keep going. Okay. The Orange Bank It's orange because this from the orange. Bank and this is a one dollar bill. So Stacey, these are reproductions of real paper money that was printed by private banks in the United States in the eighteen forties and fifties. This is one of the most interesting periods I found in the history of money when I was working on my book, it's this moment when the United States government did not print money, there was in fact, no single national paper currency but if you wanted to. Open Up Stacey's Bank of New York and print your own paper money. You could. I don't know if I would trust that dollar from that. Was a real problem that was a real problem we'll get to that. I. Mean they were just so many different kinds of money at one point the Chicago Tribune counted eight, thousand, three, hundred, and seventy different kinds of paper money in America. This sounds very confusing for everyone involved this indicator from planet money. I'm Stacey Vanik Smith and Jacob. Goldstein can we make eight, thousand, three, hundred and seventy, the indicator? Yes. Today on the show. How can you even have that many kinds of money and also just what does it tell us about money works? Let's just go. Let's just go a block away to get away from the horn. Yeah. Support for NPR and the following message come from fund. fundraise fund makes it easy for anyone to invest in high quality real estate by building you a portfolio with their more than one billion dollars in assets get started at fundraise dot com slash indicator to have your first ninety days of advisory fees. Waived. This message comes from NPR sponsor. Microsoft teams. Now, there are more ways to be a team with Microsoft teams bring everyone together in a virtual room collaborate live on the same page and see up to forty nine people onscreen learn more at Microsoft Dot com slash teams. So can we should set the scene here Jacob the nineteenth century America lots of is apparently also this was the era when gold and silver were money and Jacob say in the book that the government minted gold and silver coins, but it did not make paper money at that time. The exactly right. So the only paper money in America was printed by all of these different. Private banks people called paper money in fact banknotes, right. So they thought of it as like a piece of paper from a bank and they thought of paper money in particular as like a receipt or a coach ticket as as a thing that you could substitute for gold and silver, and in fact, if you look at at the bills I gave you all have this kind of. Writing like just grab a different one for fun. So we can say what it looks like. Okay. This is the stoning ten bank, a two dollar bill. There's a way. Moby Dick or something Wail Bell we've cow Bill Wail Bill So okay. So now look at the cursive writing see the cursive they're just blowers is stoning to. Two dollars to the bear on demand right and if you look all these different bills are different colors, they have different pictures on them, but they all say that will pay how ever many dollars to the on demand and so the second interest. Yeah it's an Iou because the interesting thing is it's telling you the paper money is not the real money. Right? They're saying we will give you two dollars in gold and silver for this paper money right? So the real money in this world is the underlying gold or silver the paper is just like. The Standard. So this is a time in history when there's not federal bank, there's not a national bank. There's like thousands of of little local banks and I guess all these banks can issue their own money. That's right and it's kind of evolving in this period at the beginning of this ehre the eighteen thirties. If you wanted to open a bank, typically you had to go to your state legislature and get special approval. Basically, they had to pass a special law that would let you open your bank and this was problematic because I was super corrupt essentially. Bank and print money. Then you're gonNA bribe whoever you have to. Say all the knee. All due respect to get them to let you open your bank. Right. So around eighteen forty, a little earlier, this new idea became popular. The new idea was called free banking. And the idea of free banking was anybody who is willing to follow a few basic rules could. Take and start printing money and literally start printing money and you know not surprisingly a lot of people wanted to print money. This is how we get eight thousand different kinds of money. Yes. How do you know if the bill that someone's handing you is real money or if it's literally just a piece of paper from the First Bank of Stacey Vanik Smith which might be real money. I wouldn't. Maybe. Add bribed senator so I love this so there arose in response to this problem these special periodicals Magazines that were privately published called banknote reporters. And what they were was these lists in tiny font of every kind of money. So I actually have a reproduction here another prop from a page. This one was called. Thomson's Bank note. Reporter. K.. So the people who subscribe to this merchants people who need to accept money. So so let's just say I'm running a bar and I got my thompsons bank note reporter and I come in I need a drink who thirsty I'm thirsty. So okay. So the page of the bank note reporter I printed out is for Orange Bank. Okay. Okay. So have that bill right here it is and it's a one dollar bill. So I find Orange Bank here in my Bengal reporter and it says Okay Orange Bank listed different bills and says ones and under wants it describes what the bill is supposed to look like says to horses check. Hey, Cart Jack Blacksmith shop male portrait Jack Girl. Check. So it's at least plausibly real. The reporter also tells me something else that's important and that explains a lot about how many works at this time. Typically would tell me whether I should accept that paper money at full face vowed I can buy my dollar whiskey with this whether you can get your dollar whiskey because remember what we care about is whether I can turn in that paper money for gold or silver, and so if the bank is shaky or even if it's just really far away. You know the reporter might say, just knock five cents off the dollar give Stacey Ninety five cents worth of whiskey instead of a dollar that took a really long time to buy that we ski. It does seem like it would have been absurdly inconvenient right and for a long time when people look back at this period, the basic story of free banking was just that was a horrible idea like that many kinds of money right but. Much, later, like in the nineteen seventies. This generation of economic historians started going back and looking more closely. At the banks and how money works in this period and what they saw when they really went through the numbers was basically like it wasn't that bad Bankston go bus that often people didn't usually lose much money when they used. We're you overall they would lose like a few percent which is. Kind of like what you pay today. So when you take money out of the weird off Brand ATM at. The corner store. which I always do. Yeah, I. Mean. That's basically like the the bartenders giving you ninety cents for your dollar when you do that, right? So. Obviously, we do not have eight thousand different kinds of money now this ended and it ended after the civil war. Yeah was the civil war. So during the civil war, that old American argument of can we have national banks or not came up again and Congress passed a few important banking laws. One of them basically taxed all those thousands of kind of state banknotes out of existence, and then the other one created these new national banks that printed much more reliable, much more uniform paper money. It's interesting because I mean, this was obviously after the civil war was the time when the United States went from like a collection of. To One Country, and it seems like the same thing happened with currency maybe not a coincidence. Your I mean, there is this idea at least in the modern world money is part of what makes a country a country and I think you do see that happening at this moment in the united. States when we go from thousands of kinds of money toward one uniform kind of paper money I'm just sad we lost the cow bills. Because you know Jacob I have a fever and the cure. This story in like a whole bunch of other like believable stories like this are in your new book money. The true story of a made up thing. This episode of the indicator was produced by Nick. Fountain fact check by Britney Cronin, the indicators edited by Patty hearst and is a production
Studio 360 with Kurt Andersen
Susan Choi on her new novel, Trust Exercise
"Choi her first novels. I read were American woman about a fictionalized Patty Hearst in person of interest about a campus bombing both of which were part of my reading prep for writing my own novel about late sixties radicals her new novel just out is trust exercise about teenagers, and trust and betrayal and Laurie lines between fiction in real life. I was eager to meet Susan Shaw and talk with her about the new book. And when she got studio three sixty more delighted than dismayed to learn that we'd already met on the phone twenty years ago when I was a New Yorker writer, and she was a New Yorker fact checker and to learn that we'd lived a couple blocks of part in Brooklyn for a decade. So the conversation started right off with a pretty neighbor Levi. So Susan the main characters in this novel are students at performing our school in the south in the nineteen eighty s why you attended the high school for the performing arts and visual arts in Houston in the nineteen eighties. So I'm assuming like these kids you two were in the theater department. I was and that the department this feels like a real Gotcha moment. Yes, I did attend at the at arts program when I was in high school and was your experience being this theater student at this performing arts high school. What was your feeling about it? I love going to a theater arts high school, I begged my parents to let me go to this school. They wanted me to go to a traditional academic school where I could have taken all of the AP's, and the foreign languages and actually prepared for college, which I didn't really do. Instead, I went to this theater arts school where I had really a wonderful time for the most part. So in that sense. It's very different from the characters. I'm writing about. So adolescence is intense under any construction, but coming of age being an end lesson going through birdie and being in a feeder program like perhaps your answer like your characters are in so the hormones, plus the voter. Ability, and the ego deconstruction I'd never thought of it as potentially dangerous, but it sounds potentially dangerous. Yeah. It does sound dangerous seems like it should be a legal. I think it's really worth noting that like it's such an intense time of life, which you don't obviously like none of us realize when we're going through that time of life. How intense it is. Right. You don't have the perspective. I it seems like one of the morals of this story is that we don't ever recover from being fifteen years old. I think no matter what sort of a fifteen you had you probably I don't I don't know if I'd say, you never recover. But I think that moment of life is a really really intense and powerful in defining one. I was done with the book by the time, the cavenaugh hearings riveted all of us last fall. But. I was really out of my head. Did you? Well, yeah. It was the sort of moment at which is a nation. We all work back there when back there and thought like, yeah. Wow. I was fifteen months do and it was a really important moment highly relevant now that you mentioned it to how fifty act it reminds you that you were such a different person at that moment if your life, but also that moment of life is so profound and affecting. So you read something. Yeah. So the first excerpt that I'll read is from early in the book, and it's early in the school year for two students at this school, Sarah and David they're both theater students who have been doing all sorts of different things, including trust exercises with their teacher, Mr. Kingsley, and they had a thing franchiser. And that thing hasn't been acknowledged yet. It hasn't been admitted, but it's going to be soon. Entrust exercises one day perhaps late in the fall. David and Sarah were never quite sure they would not speak of it. Until summer. Mr. Kingsley turned off all the lights in the windowless rehearsal room plunged them into a locked lightness vault at one end of the rectangular room was a raised platform stage thirty inches or so off the floor. Once the lights were turned off in the absolute silence. They heard Mr. Kingsley skimmed the length of the opposite wall and step onto the stage. The edge of which they faintly discerned from bits of luminescent tape that hovered in a broken line like a thin constellation. Long after there is adjusted they saw nothing, but this a darkness like that of the womb or the grave from the stage came his stern, quiet voice. Voiding them of all previous time, stripping them of all knowledge. They were blind. Newborn babes and must venture themselves through the darkness and see what they found immediately bodies encountered each other and startled away. He heard this