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Hit Parade | Music History and Music Trivia
"patti smith" Discussed on Hit Parade | Music History and Music Trivia
"Yeah. Next coming in at the unluckiest number. A guy who took nearly a decade to get lucky. They called him the boss, but he wasn't boss of the charts in the 70s. That was the decade he got signed, formed the E street band, recorded the classic born to run and reinvented rock for a new generation. Bruce Springsteen gave away many of his biggest would be 70s hits to Manfred Mann, Patti Smith, the pointer sisters, and almost the Ramones. Then in the 80s, well into his 30s, Bruce became the quintessential American rocker and a pop icon. But he continued to be appropriated and misunderstood,.
Broken Record
"patti smith" Discussed on Broken Record
"Oh. Thank you, patty. This has been great. Thanks to Patti Smith for sharing her inspiration and story with Malcolm. You can hear a new album and all of our favorite patty Smith songs on a playlist at broken record podcast dot com. And be sure to check out her substack at Patti Smith dot sub stack dot com. Be sure to subscribe to our YouTube channel at YouTube dot com slash broken record podcast where you can find all of our new episodes. You can follow us on Twitter at broken record. Broken record is produced with help from Leah rose, Jason gambel, Ben, Eric Sandler, and Jennifer Sanchez, with engineering help from Nick chafe. Our executive producer is Mia Labelle. Broken record is a production of pushkin industries..
Broken Record
"patti smith" Discussed on Broken Record
"Then we had to Seattle to do another show, and then we were about to embark on a world tour. I wanted to do a world tour because at that point I was like 72 or whatever three and I felt it was important to while I still had good voice and a lot of energy to do at least one more fairly big tour. And it was really a world tour. Well, we flew to Seattle and then I woke up in the morning and I put on the news and it was the mayor of Seattle or the governor and he was telling how they were going to go into lockdown. He said, the sold out show at state theater Patti Smith and her band is canceled, and I was like, what? I mean, I didn't know what was really going on. I knew something I knew the aura of things, but and that's how I found out. And so then we left and we went home. And I thought, okay, we have to be in quarantine for 14 days. We have jobs coming up at the end of March, and then we were going to Australia. But I thought it would be okay. Never dreaming that I wouldn't be leaving my house for almost two years hardly. And that's what happened. So because I was, you know, I was 73, and I have a bronchial condition..
Broken Record
"patti smith" Discussed on Broken Record
"Then he came back and knocked on the door, and I opened it, and he said, it's a fucking masterpiece. And I was like, oh my God. And I only mentioned that because you said that, you know, I'm not bragging or anything, but he said that. And he liked it with all his heart. And I thought, well, I don't know who's going to like this book, but Johnny likes it. And he's well read, you know. So. You know, it's funny because book like yourself has many different lives. You know, it's simultaneously a love story, but it's also this picture of New York. It's the best picture of 70s New York that I've. Oh, thank you. Ever read. If you had no interest in the love story part, or no interest in you or Robert mapplethorpe, you could still read it and think it's a masterpiece. Oh, that's so nice. But it goes back to your question as the very beginning is that always in New York, the weird thing about New York is the people who see it most clearly. And beautifully, and live it most are the outsiders, the ones who didn't come to New York. That's interesting that you should say that. And I think perhaps it's because for myself, but I think I could see that even in the people that really struggled back then, you know, I would see like candy darling and Jackie Curtis and all these different artists that came from all different places for myself. It was gratitude, because I was, you know, where I came from in south Jersey. There was no real culture there, not even a good library. No cafe, no bookstore. There was, you know, you went to Philadelphia. You could get on a bus and go to Philadelphia for culture, but day to day, and also because I was a different kind of I was sort of a bohemian kid. And you know, I was looked different..
Broken Record
"patti smith" Discussed on Broken Record
"Here's the rest of Malcolm gladwell's conversation with Patti Smith. Let's talk about your next life. Detroit and marriage.
Broken Record
"patti smith" Discussed on Broken Record
"So he called to wish me happy Valentine's Day. And slowly, I mean, eventually I got to meet him. Saul's concerts, and when I came to New York, it was a huge challenge for me to really financially empty handed. With my kids, and Michael, who I was just getting to know without going into a lot of details, made it possible for me to start a new life in New York City. And we've been so close ever since. I mean, he just, he just did that. And of course, I did my, it inspired me to work as hard as I could to earn his trust in me and also his belief in me that I could get back on my feet and take care of myself and my family if I just had a helping hand. And I'm not ashamed to say that I needed one. And now we're just loving friends. It was interesting, though, just by chance, I got nominated to be in the Hall of Fame like 7 or 8 times and finally I did get in. I think it was 2007, the same year as Michael, and I always imagined that if I ever did, I would ask Michael to speak for me and Michael secretly imagined that I might speak for them, but neither one of us could speak for each other because we both we made it at the same time. Did you play together that evening? I'm sure we did. It's like such a blur. I mean, everybody sort of played together, but I don't remember, truthfully, what I do remember was sitting in Michael sweet. He had a beautiful suite in the hotel. I think it was the Waldorf Astoria where they used to have the ceremony and he had a beautiful white suit on and I was all in black. And we went to the elevator hand in hand together..
Broken Record
"patti smith" Discussed on Broken Record
"I didn't take it personally, like they were responding to me. They were responding to something new. That they could do themselves or maybe eclipse. And that's what I wanted. I didn't want to be the king or queen or princess of anything. I just wanted to, you know, shake things up. What were you playing in those concerts? Other than your own work, what were you playing? Well, I mean, my own work also incorporated our version of land of a thousand dances and Gloria. And just our songs, reggae songs. If I liked a certain R&B song, we'd try it, but mostly our own stuff. Is there a difference in the way you approach covering a song versus one of your own? It depends on the song. Like, sometimes land of a thousand dances really catalyst for an apocalypse. It was sometimes a song because I was just starting out. We started out with piano, like Lenny K, my pianist, and I, and it was basically, we started out musically, mostly for three chord songs that I could wrap over. I wasn't particularly great singer. I didn't know much about singing. I mean, I sang in the school choir and stuff, but it was more a vehicle for me to improvise poetry. You know, horses grew from a lot of improvisation like being at CBGB's and doing a 22 minute version of land of a thousand dances that was a lot of poetry. And that's why I think like William Burroughs and Allen Ginsberg and Gregory, they like me. They like the fusion of this energy and youth, but with a semi sophisticated aspect poetic aspect. Yeah. But then also, there's certain songs that I'll just do as the song. I do it much better now because I'm a better singer than I was when I was younger..
Broken Record
"patti smith" Discussed on Broken Record
"And a lot of girls checking out the situation and what I always told them is, I had no particular gifts, if I could do it, you could do it if you have a vision. And if you have will, and you have a benevolent vision that you want to share with people, you know, in some guts, you can do it. I'm curious about that era in rock and roll, is the relationship of the artist to the audience in that era, mid 70s. Different than it is today. I don't know, mine isn't. You know, I can't say because I don't really go to concerts, you know, I don't really, when I was younger, I learned a lot about how to interact with the audience from Johnny Winter because I had a job sort of helping with Johnny Johnny was completely color blind. And when I was living at the Chelsea, so was Johnny, and Steve Paul his manager actually gave me a job because I was very trustworthy. Just, you know, walking with Johnny when he had to cross a lot of streets and things because he couldn't tell the red from the green traffic lights, things like that. I went to London once with them, just to make sure Johnny was maneuvering the streets well. And so I went to a lot of his concerts and Johnny was one of the most in all my life one of the most electric performers I ever saw. Just such a great singer, such a great guitar player and fearless. He was the first person I saw jump into the crowd with an electric guitar, just so much energy and so much interaction with the people looking them straight in the eye. I mean, because I was like into like Bob Dylan or when I was younger, Lou Reed or The Velvet Underground. They were all really cool, you know? They didn't interact. I'm not saying that critically. I love that. But Johnny winner was a totally different animal, and where I would have imagined I would have been more like Bob Dylan because I really modeled myself after Bob Dylan. I was really more like Johnny..
Broken Record
"patti smith" Discussed on Broken Record
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Broken Record
"patti smith" Discussed on Broken Record
"They all migrated to New York City. Because New York City was, you know, you can say anything about, you know, the problems with the police or stuff and but at that time, considering where a lot of us came from and what the kind of abuse you would get if you were different, just dress indifferent was so strong that to come to a place like New York City where nobody cared, you could dress the way you wanted. You know, you could reinvent yourself. You could be, you know, really, you know, any sexual persuasion, at least to a point, at least among a like minded society. Yeah. How did you meet Robert mapplethorpe? I met him, you know, first I met him in Brooklyn, I had nowhere to I came to New York with about $5 in no job and nowhere to stay. I know a couple of people who went to Pratt university, but I'd forgotten that it was summertime, and there was nobody there. And when I went to their apartments, some of them had moved out and one of the people I was looking for had moved out and Robert was staying there. And I was just directed to Robert S Robert, ask him, they didn't even tell me his name, esque, asked my roommate if they know where your friend lives, and he did. So he led me to where my friend lived. My friend was away, and I wound up sleeping in the hallway or on the stoop on the 3rd of July. Because I remember I woke up at I woke up at the 4th of July, you know, sitting asleep on the stoop with firecrackers going off. And it was all these kids setting off firecrackers because I had forgotten that it was Independence Day. And indeed I was independent. And then I just serendipitously met him a couple of times and one afternoon or one evening he sort of rescued me from a difficult situation and we started talking and we walked around the village all night for hours talking and Robert was on acid, but I had never even seen us in person. I had only read about it like an aeneus Nin or Henry Miller books. I'd never seen anybody on acid, and we just talked all night. And then in the end, he said, do you have a place to stay? And I said, no. And neither did he, because of different circumstances, neither one of us had an apartment. But he had the key to somebody else's apartment who was away and then we went there and sat up talking till dawn.
Broken Record
"patti smith" Discussed on Broken Record
"And that period was really my learning period I met a lot of people who helped me along, encouraged me. Bobby neuwirth encouraged me to write lyrics, Jim Carroll to write poetry, I was so lucky to know William Burroughs and Gregory corso and Allen Ginsberg and not just his friends, but teachers. They looked at my work, they encouraged me. They invited me to read with them, and to be somewhat part of their world. Were you meeting these people? In the lobby of the Chelsea hotel, mostly. I mean, back then, Robert and I moved there in 69 and there was the L KOD bar next door to it. And they all went there. I mean, I didn't really drink, but they all went there. So you could go and sit in the bar and sit next to Carl Solomon or Terry Southern and William. And I had a big crush on William. So, you know, we became friends, but back then, everybody was around, you know, there wasn't the same cult of celebrity. It was just like in the Chelsea. I was living there. And so was Janis Joplin living there for a while, only we all dress the same. We all listen to the same music. They were a couple years older than me. Some of these people, but we were of the same mindset and yeah, some of them were real well-known, but we all commingled. And because all of us were like, as I would say, outside society, Janis Joplin was big, but also she couldn't go into fancy hotels because of the way she dressed. And we all talked and hung out together, but I had very good mentors. Very early on. For instance, Bobby neuwirth, who I recognize from being and don't look back, Bobby was also a painter and a songwriter is, I mean, and Bobby introduced me. He was tour managing Janice Joplin at the time, and she was writing material. And Bobby, like my poems, and he wanted me. He encouraged me to write some lyrics for her. You know, I had a lot of encouragement from people. I was sort of an unusual. I was like cold and caulfield at the Chelsea, a little mix of Holden caulfield or eloise at the Plaza. I don't know. I was not even though I was sort of a south Jersey hick, but I was really well read. And I was also probably one of the few people who wasn't stoned or speeding half the time because I didn't take drugs, and I had a steady job, which meant I could be hit for a couple of dollars here and there. I don't know. I can't say why.
Broken Record
"patti smith" Discussed on Broken Record
"A special relationship to and little bits of you are all around this place. I noticed this I came in. When did you first come here? What's your, what is your history with electric lady? Well, my very first time I came was Jimmy's opening party, which I think is August 26th, 1970. Jimi Hendrix. Jimi Hendrix. Yes. Had an a party to open it. And I was writing record reviews and things at the time, and I was invited. So I was very excited because he was one of my favorite artists. And I came, but I wasn't used to going to high profile parties. And so I wound up sitting on the steps and just watching people go back and forth because I didn't I just didn't have the nerve to go in. And Jimmy had to leave the party early. I think he had a flight. He was going to the Isle of Wight. And he had that big festival. He's going to London in any event. And he saw me sitting on the steps. I mean, this was 1970. I was, you know, I had a certain look, you know, I was probably appealing in a certain way. And he laughed, and he said, you're not going to get that really that soft voice, not going to the party. I can't do it, but and I said, well, I'm a little shy. And he said, and he told me he was shy, too. He said, actually, people didn't understand that about him, but he was shy, and he said it was interesting how you could be such a, you know, an aggressive performer yet still be shy around people. And he told me that he was going to go and do these shows. A handful of shows. And then he was going to come back, go to Woodstock, and gather musicians from all over the world, and then have them sit in a circle. And play just like, ornight Coleman is, or whatever, out of tune, different keys, instruments that didn't normally go together, meld together, play and play and play till they connected and found a common language and to him that would be the language of peace. And then he left and, of course, we never saw him again. He died in London. Only maybe a couple weeks later, a few weeks later, I think. Which was heartbreaking. So that was my introduction to electric lady studios. I didn't even have the nerve to come.
Broken Record
"patti smith" Discussed on Broken Record
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World Cafe
"patti smith" Discussed on World Cafe
"Blue cheese from kurt. Vile and courtney barnett. They mentioned tom sharp playing. And i'm so excited to have tom sharp laying right here with me right now. Tom welcome to the world cafe. Oh thanks for having me. This is so exciting for me to you know. It's very very exciting. I want to say i. Congratulations on your new book. It never ends a memoir with nice memories. I read it in one day. And i can't remember the last book that i did that with like i sat down and i didn't put it down until i was done. That's really nice to hear people say that and it makes me wonder if i wrote a really simple book like i read it so fast and i haven't read a book that fast since since the cat in the hat and then i'm like oh boy maybe i wrote a children's book i don't know but version of it you know it's a it's a super engaging story at it opens with a story that i know you've told many times on your own show on the best show. I'm going to ask you if you can tell it one more time for folks here who maybe haven't heard it. Could you give us a recap of your interaction with patti smith. Let me get ready to stab myself. One more time with the no. It's fine it's it's i was in san francisco and for san francisco. Sketch festival is put up at this hotel for a few days and running into patti smith over and over seeing her in the lobby seeing walking around and it started to feel more and more like a sign. Like oh i got gotta say something to patti smith and finally this year get into elevator. And i'm with my friend and comedy partner. Jon wurster and i'm like i'm going to go in and say something to her and i saw go in the air and i know this is not stalking her or anything. It's just it's all in the hotel lobby. So i just wanted to say one thing. And because he's such a icon and hero. And but i was also like i'm not going to Say the usual thing that people say because people just going to say. I like your albums or anything like that so i was like. What's the what's something she's never heard this gonna make her. Just feel like oh. This is interesting. So i figure i think back to this cab driver in memphis who told me that humble pie was the best band he ever saw live. And he's all all the greats in the seventies and so i said the patti smith house. How you doing blah blah blah. And then she's very cordial very nice then. So did you ever see Humble pie back in the day. And as soon as i said it. I knew it was the wrong thing to say and she did not look interested and looked like she wanted to. Just get off the elevator. I think she might have gotten off at a floor. That wasn't even her floor because she wanted to get away from the weird guy asking about seeing humble pie and then either elevator went back down to the lobby and john saw me and he's like go and then i was like i told him and then i think he thought that the story would die with us in that moment but then i could not resist and started talking about it on the radio and now it is what i am known for. I feel like it's an impossible. There are a couple of things that struck me about. That story one was that. I feel like it's an impossible quest kind of when you want to say something to someone you admire that they're going to be like you understand me. This is a different direction than the millions. That i've had already and it's like such a hard thing to decide what you're actually going to say to that person. Yeah and it's better to maybe not now. I realize to maybe not manufacture something that is just meant to only be interesting in an arcane way might be better if i don't have anything interesting to say to not say anything. I know you've told that story on the show. But if you're writing a memoir i would imagine figuring out where to start would be one of the trickiest parts. Why was that story. The right place seemed it seemed like a seemed like one of the hits that i could play early to get the crowd on my side and maybe and for people who didn't know who i was if they were checking the book out then they would be. Maybe they would be compelled to keep going. Because i know it's definitely crowd-pleaser and i see the the looks on people's faces when they mentioned patti smith to me now i'm getting it from both sides i get i struck out when i said something to patti smith and now people throw the patti smith story in my face just to see what happens and but at this point it's just a by accept it it happened it did not go well and people some people like maybe you should get in touch with patti smith and cnn is like no. I don't wanna why keep this going yet. Doubling down feels like the wrong choice at that point. Then you're the person at the casino who's just like asking the pit boss for for just five thousand five thousand dollars and then you're just like good money after bad. I think there's something about that. As as an interviewer on the radio. I have the opportunity to talk to a lot of people that i really admire and one time i did have a terrible interview with an artist i really liked and i couldn't listen to that artist for a while after that. It was like to cringe. Are you able to listen to patti smith now. Like i'm sure at this point you're probably okay but did take awhile so you could like put on patti smith album and be like oh. I don't feel weird. No i was always fine with it because this is one hundred percent my fault. This is not. It's not like. I saw patti smith and she was such a jerk to me. It's just like this had nothing to do with her. I just maybe maybe not wanna look in the mirror and see that guy looking back rather than listen to patti smith case. Could you pick a patti. Smith saw for us and we can play it right now. Shore ask the angels. Maybe right that good. The angels sure. Here's patti smith asked the angels. You've got runing. Do.
The Jump with Shirley Manson
"patti smith" Discussed on The Jump with Shirley Manson
"Fingers and circling the come come come. My bowels are empty. Excrete in your soul. What more can i give you baby. I don't know what more can i give you to make this thing grow. Don't turn your back now. i'm talking to you..
The Jump with Shirley Manson
"patti smith" Discussed on The Jump with Shirley Manson
"Much and i'm an i improvise quite a bit. I was having a bit of a crisis language. Wise i wasn't writing as much poetry. And i was having trouble with my lyrics and so i started getting very interested in the electric guitar and guinot the sun escape of the electric guitar and feedback. And you know in creating language out of feedback and so i had different goals in this record new tattoo thing. This is us mez move..
Here's The Thing
"patti smith" Discussed on Here's The Thing
"Everything changed. The her became had three top ten hits and and i became very well known in europe as guitar player singer. Now the time you leave the heard you leave them. In what year. The after the the these three big hits album we realized that we were losing money still and and there was no reason because we saw the fake as what was coming in and what we were getting paid and all that so we reached out and steve merit and ronnie lane of the small faces. Said look we been through this. We've been screwed in by management or business manager. Whatever they include us in which was very nice to them and said they help us. Produce a track o- to on on the next album. We're going to do which they did. Meanwhile i'm sitting in with the small faces now at various functions and and wanted to join the small faces that wasn't to be steve. Wanted me to join the small faces. But they weren't so thrilled with that. So in the end Steve called me up and said look. I've left the small faces. Let's form a band. And that's how humble pie basically formed in right at the end of in sixty eight so you with humble pie and you're in england and you perform with them for how many years Sixty eight sixty nine seventy seventy one four years. How would you characterize that period for. Did you enjoy believable. Were very popular e. s. mistakes as well. Yes that ban brought me to america. Where'd you play fell nine. That's where we started. We met. I mean. Probably one of the first gigs met bill. Graham do you realize now. And i looked back. It was the beginnings of the creation of rock and roll shows. Truly bill graham was the guy on how to do it live and why did humble pie and a couple of reasons. I was feeling claustrophobic in the band because we started off very democratic and doing it all different types of music and now our stage act was narrowing and we would just doing more more of the heavy rock and roll. Which i love. Don't get me wrong. That's my riff. I don't need no doctor. That's me jamming the sound check in madison square. Done and steve just jumped up on stage and started singing. I don't need no doctor over that riff. He and i were very much. But tim singer. Yeah he's the one that says it's been a gas yet. We are not at a gas inside the. He was probably a couple of years to get you feel claustrophobic. Why because we want. I wasn't Being able to do the music all of this music that i wanted to do. Humble-pie started off really split between acoustic and electric. And also i was coming into my own and steven. I fought like brothers glimmer twins. Yes that's which is why humble pie was so fiery. I think because musically was phenomenal. You know sometimes we create. Sometimes we just wouldn't agree. I was very sad for me. Because i knew it would upset them but i just had to. It was time to go on and did you. Were you wanted to go. No idea i knew that i was. I didn't want form another band. I wanted to become a solo artist. Yeah why because. I wanted to make all the decisions because i'm a complete control freak. Did you feel creative. Yeah you wanted more that. Yeah i wanted to try things that maybe other people wouldn't wanna try. You know i wanted to do. And i have to say that. It wouldn't have been. I wouldn't have had a solo career. Had it not been for humble-pie. I learnt so much from working with steve marion. I have to hand him a lot of the for the sort of things that he introduced me to listen to as well music blues and bill black combo and stuff like that. That was really influential to me. So that's why it was a a bitter sweet thing leaving. I wanted to leave. But i didn't wanna leave and then of course as soon as i left the live album that i had a big hand in mixing. Because i'm the gadget freakin the engineer. With eddie kramer rockin. The fillmore comes out. I've laughed at right at that point. And it zooms up the charts. It's humble pies first gold record and i'm going holy crap that's it it's the first big blooper of my career you know. I made a big mistake. Dad's back on the job frampton this time absolutely so then. It was four studio albums before we did comes alive. you know. And a lot of touring and where are you living. Then you still alive. I was still living. In england until seventy five. When i finished the fourth solo record in england and then moved over. I actually moved to new york. And stated the mount kisco holiday inn on new year's eve. nineteen seventy four swinging. Yeah so basically. The first day of seventy five was. I was now living in america. When you do comes alive how much of the music on that is new music on the nub how much of it was stuff you mind from the previous four solo albums it was basically all stuff that came from. The four studio albums and rock on from shine was humble-pie track that i'd written. It was actually from five albums. So's like six years worth of work mining. That went into that one. Live record for people who don't know that live performance was recorded in multiple locations or in one. Most of it was one location which was a winterland in san francisco. Bill graham gig weather last walls was filmed two nights before we played the marin civic center and we done to shows there so we recorded that i think a couple numbers came from their dooby war. I think comes from. There may be one of the acoustic songs but winterland was the first big headline show we'd ever done i'd have done with my name on the ticket able were coming to see me for because the the album right prior to comes life just frampton was the biggest one so far biggest seller done sold like three hundred thousand copies. Which was mega for me. That was better than all in that. Four album run prior to the live album and winterland things. Were getting better but that one was definitely on setting me up. It was setting me up for something. Peter frampton alec baldwin has interviewed a lot of rock legends over the years on. Here's the thing and you can listen to all of them on the iheartradio app spotify or wherever you get your podcast. After the break. Peter frampton talks to alec about the making frampton comes alive. One of the best selling live albums in history..
Lost Notes
Teenagers Surfing on the Wave of the Apocalypse
"And welcome to another edition of the shape of things to come. I'm bill floor and I'm Dean Miller and our guest this week artist student teachers. Start off where everything starts off with. Let's introduce ourselves. Then Dan My teachers. Yeah. Go ahead. Base I was more comfortable from the time. I was little kid with what were considered freaks than I like drag Queens I like boys, hugh tweets, their eyebrows I wanted them to put my makeup on J. I Sing I mean going to a dead boys concert with you're sitting in the front row at CBGB's and stiff baiters. Ripping out his pubic hair throwing at you. That's disgusting. But it was amazing. On wore I play drums as teenagers. We were filming gigs for the mumps we were helping the erasers build up their sets for their shows and we've been very involved and so there was kind of this organic thing that came together. You know maybe we should maybe we can do that. You know I mean maybe we can do that. By Play Guitar. Let's say you had. School. In one hand and. Being in a band and hanging out with blondie. David Bowie and the other hand and it was impossible to do both things. Boy Do you think would happen. There'd be less school-going. Joe I buy another talk. I wanted to be a rock and roller I play guitar, and I just wanted to make wild noise. Or. Unveil. muschamp coffee you would see warhol walking around with his polaroid and handing out copies into you magazine. So this is what I thought. Every teenager did it didn't occur to me that. What an unusual environment this what? We're here sort of to talk a little bit about the band place music and give people a chance to find out what the student teachers are really because I think a lot of people in New York even though I know most of the people in the band from the New York area don't know that much about student teachers. Any. Seems to be a mystery to herself and everyone. While sometimes, that's effective. I don't know. Imagine this group of teenagers in the late seventies in new. York. City. Most of them are still in high school, a couple of recently graduated. They're obsessed with bands like television and Patti Smith the Ramones Roxy Music. Most of them come from fractured family lives and find community in the club scene. But get this in the span of six months they go from not knowing how to play instruments to headlining their favorite clubs. Then opening IGGY pop getting interviewed I'm GonNa have their favorite radio stations eighty nine point one W Nyu. How do they make that happen? This Ragtag Group of best friends lived and breathed the scene. They spent all their time together by records running fan clubs. Reading. Rock magazines. They'd go to shows together and off often get mistaken for being in a band so. One day in bills living room they decide. Why not? Let's form one. Just. kind of said that everybody everybody's all play drums and I'll play guitar. Okay. You play Bass and I said, okay. Then lawyer said well, I don't know if my voice will be good enough because she was gonNA sing. So maybe you should be from female rhythm section and then we We all hated. Wouldn't bands felt like sports teams. And with David I both being gay and Philip, and then later Joe being straight boys and then, Lauren? Laurean. Laura being the female rhythm section we really love what we did visually. I think it's more important than we have a concept an idea. I A music. Actual technical ability because we knew our instruments well enough to be able to contain the idea to an extent. But you guys can make it. I mean you think you're gonNA make it after the All of us into. Your knew we weren't musicians and none of us cared but we cared about is that we were gonNA have a blast. We were going to be cool. We were GONNA be the coolest kids and we weren't going to imitate anyway.
Lost Notes
Teenagers Surfing on the Wave of the Apocalypse
"I've been approached about the student teacher story before by people who always seem to have this moralistic agenda to tell this cautionary tale of young people who are in over their heads or taken advantage of with too much freedom and sex and drugs, and rock and roll. And I definitely want to be clear with you that I actually believe that artistic exploration and that. Freedom is worth a certain amount of existential risk and I'd rather live next door to junkies than millionaires any day. And I'm endlessly grateful. That we came of age in a place time like that. And welcome to another edition of the shape of things to come. I'm bill floor and I'm Dean Miller and our guest this week artist student teachers. Start off where everything starts off with. Let's introduce ourselves. Then Dan My teachers. Yeah. Go ahead. Base I was more comfortable from the time. I was little kid with what were considered freaks than I like drag Queens I like boys, hugh tweets, their eyebrows I wanted them to put my makeup on J. I Sing I mean going to a dead boys concert with you're sitting in the front row at CBGB's and stiff baiters. Ripping out his pubic hair throwing at you. That's disgusting. But it was amazing. On wore I play drums as teenagers. We were filming gigs for the mumps we were helping the erasers build up their sets for their shows and we've been very involved and so there was kind of this organic thing that came together. You know maybe we should maybe we can do that. You know I mean maybe we can do that. By Play Guitar. Let's say you had. School. In one hand and. Being in a band and hanging out with blondie. David Bowie and the other hand and it was impossible to do both things. Boy Do you think would happen. There'd be less school-going. Joe I buy another talk. I wanted to be a rock and roller I play guitar, and I just wanted to make wild noise. Or. Unveil. muschamp coffee you would see warhol walking around with his polaroid and handing out copies into you magazine. So this is what I thought. Every teenager did it didn't occur to me that. What an unusual environment this what? We're here sort of to talk a little bit about the band place music and give people a chance to find out what the student teachers are really because I think a lot of people in New York even though I know most of the people in the band from the New York area don't know that much about student teachers. Any. Seems to be a mystery to herself and everyone. While sometimes, that's effective. I don't know. Imagine this group of teenagers in the late seventies in new. York. City. Most of them are still in high school, a couple of recently graduated. They're obsessed with bands like television and Patti Smith the Ramones Roxy Music. Most of them come from fractured family lives and find community in the club scene. But get this in the span of six months they go from not knowing how to play instruments to headlining their favorite clubs. Then opening IGGY pop getting interviewed I'm GonNa have their favorite radio stations eighty nine point one W Nyu. How do they make that happen? This Ragtag Group of best friends lived and breathed the scene. They spent all their time together by records running fan clubs. Reading. Rock magazines. They'd go to shows together and off often get mistaken for being in a band so. One day in bills living room they decide. Why not? Let's form one. Just. kind of said that everybody everybody's all play drums and I'll play guitar. Okay. You play Bass and I said, okay. Then lawyer said well, I don't know if my voice will be good enough because she was gonNA sing. So maybe you should be from female rhythm section and then we We all hated. Wouldn't bands felt like sports teams. And with David I both being gay and Philip, and then later Joe being straight boys and then, Lauren? Laurean. Laura being the female rhythm section we really love what we did visually. I think it's more important than we have a concept an idea. I A music. Actual technical ability because we knew our instruments well enough to be able to contain the idea to an extent. But you guys can make it. I mean you think you're gonNA make it after the All of us into. Your knew we weren't musicians and none of us cared but we cared about is that we were gonNA have a blast. We were going to be cool. We were GONNA be the coolest kids and we weren't going to imitate anyway.
Photography Radio
Beowulf Sheehan
"Hello everyone and welcome to frames. My name is Scott Olsen and I am talking today with Beowulf Sheehan. Beowulf is one of the most sought after most successful and I believe most important portrait photographers in New York. These days he has worked in more than fifty countries lectured at New York University and Yale among other places and if you go to his website you will see portrait of people like Oprah Winfrey Twenty Morrison Patti Smith Margaret Atwood Patrick Stewart in Kellyn Paul Simon and dozens and dozens of others. It is a body of work of which I am personally Quite envious good morning. Bill could he's got great to hear Your Voice. I do have a quick thought for you. I've not traveled to fifty countries the photograph I photographed in better than ten by way of commissions however I have photographed people from at least fifty countries and hopefully been able to travel to their worlds in cultures through those experiences. Okay I saw that on your resume and I was impressed and I'm still impressed. So tell me how things are in New York this morning. New York is a beautiful place this morning. The air is cool and crisp outside. I did have a short walk this morning. I am very fortunate that out my window. I have a cemetery so I get to see less trees and I have a great deal of quiet. What sounds I hear. Every morning in this new time of ours is usually One of two things that I hear all either your birdsong or I will hear the sound of a passing ambulance and of course happy to hear the former not to hear the ladder. That is the time in which we live summer mornings in New York. City yes Tell me about portrait photography but let let let's begin where people how in the world could you get into photography? How did you get into the kind of portraiture that you do specifically I into photography being a shy boy and wanting to make friends and prior to the thought of making friends? I wanted to be reacquainted with my father. My parents divorced when I was in elementary school. My father was out in my life for a few years and when he came back the beginning of my high school years he had a Konica thirty five millimeter camera. A Long Lens to go with it and when I arrived at high school which was a high school outside of my neighborhood I went to magnet high school for foreign languages. I was busted very early in the morning to get there. I was in the ethic minority in head a world of new friends to make and when I got to school my classmates were speaking about two things with which I was unfamiliar of the Miami Dolphins. I grew up in Fort Lauderdale and girls and I knew very little about both but I had been working in the summers and not really spend that money on anything beyond books and comic book so I had enough money saved to become the youngest person in the history of the Miami Dolphins the buy season tickets to the Miami Dolphins. That's impressive I go So what I had done was than I began to use my father's camera and I would take a tripod that camera that long lens invite a new acquaintance from high school to eat game. And I believe my mother had driven been to us down To attend these games and no one ever stopped me. The guards were very kind. They recognize me after a few games. I always went through the same gate that sort of thing and was able to watch Dan Marino or the ball around and make pictures and then make Prince of those pictures and share them with classmates over time developing friendships and of course Getting to know my father again. That's a wonderful beginning there. Is I know an extraordinary event. Though in your early connection to reading and that's possible yes but but I'll let you lead that so when you're asking the extraordinary connection is well. Yeah you you are probably the only you are the only person I know who's ever been bitten by an alligator. Oh this is true this this. I don't know all the people in your life of course who you know but but I'm the only person I know who's been bitten by an alligator and that happened to me in the summer of nineteen seventy six in June of that year. I was of course on summer break from school quite small and my brother and I were playing in the backyard of the home of a friend of my mother in southwest Fort Lauderdale where there are canals and those canals in some cases feed than Their Way West to the Florida everglades and of course. That's where alligators hang out. And some of them sometimes get lost. My brother-in-law had been wrestling. This lady's backyard was time to come into the House for lunch. I had asked the Lady of the House. If we could use your host wash our feet persons they were full of dirt from the grass and the young lady had said no actually better just a spicer feed off the dock and then it'll be quicker and I went I. I remember sitting at the dock. Enjoying splash on my feet and looking at my brother and my brother's twenty months younger than me made his eyes get bigger and he looks down on my foot. I looked at my foot and I saw the alligator close. Its mouth around my right foot and I went to some degree of shock. The allegation let go. He caught the outside artery of my ankle and bloodshot out. Allah a bad money iphone sketch. And my my brother then began to grab my body to try to pull my body up and my mother and my mother's friend of course had come out of the house at this time and they were lifting me from the document onto the grass. The allegation had gone back under the dock. And I don't know how much more time passed or how much blood I lost but I then at some point found in the emergency room of a hospital where my brother was born. Only a few blocks away and doctors worked in saved my foot. Save my leg. There was concern for infection loss and I was very lucky to have for the balance of the summer. Have Gone to the hospital every day to get my foot. Epsom salts to save it and that meant of course not being able to play games at not being able to enjoy summer camp not being able to do sports do much of anything involved mobility and that deepened my reading and then with it of course my drawing and my reading and drawing through my childhood in and beyond began with comic books and then onto more challenging books More INTERESTING BOOKS. Maybe more interesting stuff. The right word say because books are wonderful. And they're very very interesting. Otherwise we wouldn't have these films adaptations of stories that now the masses is seen film but the the books of course comic books would come out once a month and it was great to go to seven eleven after school and pick up those books but I would devour them so quickly and then I really wasn't in the mood to wait another month for the next book to come out so I would just draw stories myself. The drawing worked its way over time of course into photography. But that's a longer compensation which I'm happy to have
The Frame
Director Greta Gerwig on 'Little Women' and Louisa May Alcott
"Start with a new film that opens this Christmas Day. It's an adaptation of Louisa May alcott novel Little Women and it is a lovely little gift of a movie yourself theory someday. So you'll need me. You'll wish you have behaved better. Thank you so much for your employment and your many kindnesses I intend to make my own way in the world. No no one makes their own way. Not really we civil woman. You'll need to marry. Well you are not married. Because I'm rich wjr. The film is from writer director. Greta GERWIG stars. Sir Sha Ronin. She played the lead in Greenwich Direct. To`real debut lady bird and the rest of the march sisters are played played by Emma Watson Elisa scanlon and Florence pugh Laura dern plays their mom and Meryl Streep is they're wealthy aunt March gerwig has been thinking about little the women for a very long time well before she even found out that producer Amy Pascal was developing a new adaptation of the novel. Here's Greta Gerwig little women and has been a book that I have loved my whole life in a very deep way to the point. Where my memories? And the memories of the March sisters were intertwined in that way that I think books of your youth can means something even beyond being books because th- they they're the they become part of your family I think that's that's the magic of Reading when you're a child is the the distinction between fiction and reality is thin for you or it. It was for me anyway But I hadn't read it since I was about fourteen or fifteen and then I read it in my early thirties when I turned thirty and I All this stuff came out at me in the book that I it not. When I was a child I can passion get so savage could hurt anyone and I enjoyed it? You remind me of myself never angry. I'm angry nearly every damn I li- reading as an adult. I heard all of these different things. I saw it as much touch spike easier and sadder and stranger and almost more triumphant in a certain way and also just is this kind of being aware of an author was another layer of it for me that Joe both wants to be an author but then Louisa as author and so even though Joe March march by the end of the book says she stops her ink well and stops writing and gets married and has children opens a school Louisa though wrote and she wrote that book and we know what. Because there's the book you know. I just sort of had an idol saw about well if I made this. I'd want to center center on this. I'd WanNa Center on all these themes that I felt I hadn't really seen yet about it which was ambition and money money and women an art and I heard in passing my agent said at a dinner. Oh they're interested making little women again again and I was like what I have to go. I have to talk to them. I have an idea and I hadn't made anything at that point. But he got me a meaning and I I went and I talked talk to them and I told them some version of what I wanted to do and And I said I want to direct it and they wanNA write in Iraq and I hadn't had nothing to really show that I could do that so but they very luckily hired me to write it. And then I wrote my draft in in two thousand fifteen two thousand sixteen and then I went away and I may lady bird and then by the time I was finishing that up they said well what what do you think about making little women and I thought I said well I knew you'd ask. I'm ready but it was a it was one one of those for two. It's turns events. I want to ask about that perspective that you had a reading the book as an adult versus as a young woman woman sure and the perspective you have as somebody who is a creative person gas writing movies and making movies because so much of the movie and certainly in the book as well is about the challenges of being a creative person and how you value your own art how you compromise with people who are financing it and how you find your voice even in those parameters that's right now there's a you you picked up all the cards I put down. No it's a it's funny. It's that the opening scene between Joe March and her publisher Mr Dash would which the majority of it is actually word for word from the book when she says took care to have a few of my sinners repent and he says people want to be amused not preach that morals. Don't sell nowadays. That could be me talking to a studio head about something. I WANNA do But it was. It was all there for me to be discovered. I didn't invent it like like I said that. That scene is a scene from the book but it felt too so relevant to right now and then beyond that when when I was researching Louisa Mail Cart and it became clear that that who Lewis male caught was was equally the subjects that I was interested in and then you learn about her life. Is You know unlike Joe. She never got married. She never had children and but she kept writing and she did keep her copyright copyright of little women which is a you know huge thing that she did and I mean there are so many things about her life and what she did. It felt eerily familiar and I think even even in the fact that Her publisher sure and even herself but her publisher truly didn't know what a hit he had. And I find that happens all the time that there's a constant underestimating of audiences that are not the same audience of the people who are in charge of publishing or whatever that may be the the first half of little win because it is really to books as written ends so group. The curtain falls upon big. Joe Beth and amy whether it ever arises again depends upon the reception given to the first act of the domestic drama called little women death. It's almost like she's saying I've got a a sequel but I hope people by the I know she's She's a business lady no she and and and it it. It's worth saying that the the initial printing sold out in two weeks and it has not been out of print for one hundred fifty years in one thousand nine hundred four. There was a story. Little women leads poll novel level rated ahead of Bible for influence on high school pupils. Yeah that's nice. I mean I mean it's just nice for her and it raises his other question like what people take away from the book because you can interpret it in very different ways. I'm going to give you two prominent women who have thoughts. That's about it. The first is Gloria Steinem. WHO said in Nineteen ninety-two? Where else could we read about an all female group who discussed work art and all the great questions or found girls who wanted to be women and not vice versa? Oh that's beautiful found girls that wanted to be women not the versa. And here's the author meal Paalea who says the whole thing is like a horror movie. I know I think if you have an idea in your head of the it can be of little women. It's usually from the first book. It's the kind of Christmas to Christmas structure. And the you know the second half of the book Louis Male jokes. She should've called the wedding marches. Because they all got married and truly British version is called good wise exactly zoo you know. It was in this to book structure which is part of why I is structured the film I did starting with them as adults Because I wanted to start with the second half but I also think there's two books embedded in it because if you you just read the book on its face value with this. Kind of pre Victorian morality of Domesticity in virtue tied to femininity communitty. And all of these kind of tidy bows put on each chapter. Then I think you miss what's really roiling roiling underneath and if you read it that way of course Camille Paglia is completely right. It is something that would be a horror show if that is all you're seeing but I'd the way I look at it is if you can take the ending of the book where she felt she must marry Joe off to someone because that's what the readers demanded and she made this economic decision. That's what she would do Because she had so books then if you if you read everything through the Lens of will she had to make it all kind of tidy for the time time then if you take away the tidiness what's left is a whole bunch of am Bishen and mess and anger and lust and craziness and things things that don't fit neatly into any box. And so what I wanted to do was not update the text. The text doesn't need updating. I wanted to take away the constraints constraints of the time in some ways. Because that's what was interesting to me and even in those constraints. Louisa really did do her best to try. I to imagine what what would in a gala -tarian marriage look like. What would something that was? Not Essentially INDENTURED SERVITUDE BE As a marriage and I feel that you know Gloria Steinem being one of them with a Simone Tip Avar Patti Smith Orlando Toronto or J. K. Rowling rallying. There's a long list of women for whom this book meant very specific freedom an ambition and what I wanted to do was make a film film that was in the tradition of why that inspired them. Because it's there's gotta be a reason more than she got married to Professor Bear Sogo to see you. Thanks for coming as really
Studio 360 with Kurt Andersen
This Womans Work: Patti Smiths Horses
"I've learned a lot about the records. I love and don't love from classic album Sundays. It's a program of listening events created by broadcaster and journalist Pauline. Cosmo Murphy, which for music fan can sometimes feel like going to church, and that's fitting because they're always held on Sundays at these events. I learned about an album from artists producers and other smart music people. Then the lights went down the phones went off and the audience listened to the album together straight through no interruptions. That's it. It seems really simple. But hearing a record on pristine vinyl through a world class sound system revealed things I never noticed before the experience was eliminating an often moving even when the needle skipped to bring some of that album worship here to studio. Three sixty were teaming up with CAS for a series of stories called this woman's work, highlighting classic albums by female artists. The title. You probably figured out borrows from the song by Kate. Bush an artist we hope to feature in this series. These records represent women musicians at the peak of their creative powers, and whose influences felt all over the musical map. And this first story focuses on one of the most significant albums of the American punk movement. One that fused rock with free form poetry and drew many into the artistic nexus of New York City in the mid nineteen seventies. Here's Colleen this is arguably one of the most arresting opening lines on a debut album. Jesus dad for somebody sends banana Matton it's deliver with unequivocal power. And for many is the first introduction to an artist who become one of the most important game changers of rock and roll amass Lee. Stew. Mrs my oh, Lee belonged to may. Number hearing this opening indictment when listening to the album for the first time in my teenage bedroom. It's through me into the nucleus of Patti Smith's thrilling and scary environs worlds away from my suburban hometown to the dirt the chaos and the raw energy of New York City, and it made me feel like I could do anything. In fact, I moved to the city of few short years later. Punk is built upon a DIY attitude and along with the stooges EMC five Patti Smith is considered by many to be one of punk rocks founding mothers her debut album, horses was released at the end of nineteen seventy five a full five months before the first Ramones album. But it Agneta the punk explosion more impersonal, easy, rather than musicality, the album's sprawling free form music and poetry was the until of the three minute three court sound for which punk would eventually become known as the Patti Smith group. Guitarist Lenny Kaye remembers especially at that time Peng had yet to harden into specific definition. It wasn't say the Ramones template that it would become miss. Mostly an attitude of wanting to assume some kind of responsibility for oneself and. And find your own way. Will return to the show in a moment. But first I want to remind you that you can keep up with what we're looking at and working on by following us on Twitter at studio three sixty show. And now back to our story as the sixties slipped into the seventies. New York City was experiencing an identity crisis and rock and roll was experiencing a spirituality crisis. There was a general cynicism toward hippie ideals and New York City in particular was more adept at celebrating the individual a cohesive cultural center had not yet replaced the unifying force field of the sixties counterculture movement. This was especially true with music is different. Experimental strains began to fan out and spire by other forward thinking late sixties New York acts like the velvet underground and the east village electric duo the silver apples. Around this time. Lenny Kaye was working in a record shop and doing some writing on the side. And he remembers there were few venues for local bounds in new acts to play. But then he saw poster for the New York dolls and welcomed it as a new chapter in the downtown music. Sing. With their flamboyant crossdressing and defiant posturing, the New York dolls set the stage for glam rock, a fusion of the edgy rock and roll of the stooges and the theatrical cabaret scene that was flourishing in Greenwich village's gay community a community galvanized by the stonewall uprising in nineteen sixty nine.