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Who's On Top?

First Take

39:13 min | 1 year ago

Who's On Top?

"Ready to do this of the NBA back no question it wasn't so good for the warriors last night though things did not go as planned and their brand new reno hey what's going on everybody welcome into I take it's been a great week out here in La on this Field Good Friday Stephen a Smith Mexico molly you're doing it at home today circular subject for one reason and one reason only you aren't a newspaper Guy You don't understand that when you wake up in the morning it's about the story line for that day to be and of course there's always playing defense the story it people will eventually get it is I'm going to excuse your ignorance on this you gave us an overview of the season which is entirely accurate the problem was last night the Golden State Warriors would story here's why because without world that isn't supposed to exist five years that basically was record wise I believe that K. D. and without Klay Thompson also based off of what we saw Tuesday night from the clippers against the Lakers it was a foregone conclusion this goes back to last I mean this goes back to earlier in his career but let's pick it up last season in the playoffs stephen against the Greeks data roster that deep thoroughly coached by Doc rivers to every position clearly the favorites to win the chip was head and warriors are not accustomed to being the underdog. Here's the last five years we've we've been living in a season what's the story Lebron James Wrong it's lettered what's the story last night oh this or someone else that wrong as usual like Lebron or the guy he's the biggest star on the other side isn't playing the same position like Steph why has consistently been the actual story best stretch if anybody's ever had over five years so this is reality nine nine guys twenty three or younger and you know we're starting over in many ways no sucked out there tonight gotta come back and Beat o'casey on Sunday freak okay the Greek freak was really the store oh no no he wasn't we can even go to him against embiid and Simmons what was the story of that series Leonard odors above this version of the Golden State Warriors so the story line specifically for last night if you're talking about the season Max Kelham is right on the money but going into last night in the new arena in San Francisco with the Golden State Warriors Sands Klay Thompson and Kevin Durant it now you realize he gave you twenty one nine and five and three quarters and by the way the nine is assists to one turnover he was a playmaker for them when he needed is coed Leonard either either he does whoever he needs to do like the Freak Simmons mb either someone doesn't want it with him AAC don't give a damn about what we can build on we saw tonight and we gotta get better overall and that's just what it is over the course of the season we're gonNA score enough points because we have points two games to fifty three to be exact who I put a twenty one had a career high non assist meanwhile steph curry at twenty three but that came with eight costly turnovers elise how is he going to handle the onslaught of bodies being thrown in his direction where he has nobody else to lean on because his boys are simply Dax we've sucked and we gotta get better I'm not I'm not a coach so I'm not about to go watch a film itself well we can build on this I against an elite team particularly an elite defensive team what how difficult it would be for him I'm just saying that was the story for last night joe one fish like this is amazing to me Kawais not the B. side winter people going to understand he's the as side the other guys the B. Side Sir Max smirk on your face I don't know what this is about what was this more of `Bout Steph to you or a why of course it's more about coli and we didn't you forty eight hours earlier you know what you're going to get from because he spent the last year so showing us what you're going to get from what was Steph Asleep K. D. plays the warriors but that's because the warriors were way way better than the raptors if they were fully loaded k. d. better than Kawhi to start just who were willing defenders and could shoot right BJ Armstrong Ron Harper Steve Kerr like guys like Patrick Beverley is like a great example if some talent with Adam to floor says amount of how bad we went on the other end and the sense of urgency so that is one game is let's let's look at the list here Glen Robinson the third I wish him luck Kevon Looney we know that name Okay I mean the question was the story was how a Steph curry who some people are projecting the be the league MVP. Because suddenly he's going to be Chris Jacob Evans Jordan Pool Damian Lee Amari spelman not there outside of draymond green who has no score he's a player that was the story line going in the last night and what we learn is how human steph curry this is about the clippers roster who's the point guard do they really have a classic point guard class notes they have to they have Patrick Beverley Lou Williams I guess are technically their point it's not about Kawhi Leonard playing second fiddle it's about okay when you're so big time and you're the reigning champion the reigning NBA Finals Mvp was the story of the next coach. Leonard what was the story of the files Oh Kevin Durant not playing wrong it was Leonard and normal for you know relatively pedestrian for 'em because it a multitude of bodies you can throw at him you knew what you were going to get from the clippers because they showed we all expect to see you as the season progresses we know what you're going to do but I don't know yet from Steph hold on are you sure trich beverly who I brought up earlier there was some reports that Patrick Beverley was yelling at me after the opener in the locker room yelling at you what happened was like to do for the first time on his own all by his lonesome since his rookie year no clay no K. D. to lean on and you found out I went in there we were talking for a minute and he started saying hey I don't like like kind of blaming me for the not an angry or anything for the media playing highlights of Dunks I'm sorry Max Kellerman you're trying to tell me that people walked in the last night and we don't know what we're going to get from Hawaii and that was the seats inside a say a friend this was my concern about the team moved from the Oracle that Fan Base in Oakland is real in San Francisco Steph wasn't about Kawana clippers and the last point that I wanna make is this my condolences I really really hope that what I saw last night I don't see in the future those empty not not really showing the with like showing who actually won the game like what we just did there the warriors lost we played nothing but warriors highlights we've been plagued the good clippers stuff defender who can really shoot from the outside and can kind of organize your offense but that's not his like doesn't need the ball he's the perfect guy next to Kawai but then I'm glad you get what he's saying I don't get what you're saying at all hey I'm Molly Carolyn you're listening to the first take podcast more than one million businesses into an okay but it's not a great passion Lebron Katie who's turned into a terrific passer last night nine assists one turnover so if out of touch in the second year round of course but you bring him off he has the Greenland naturally I'm talking about technically the point is Michael Jordan played next to go right but let's talk about the good clip stuff the reason steph had eight turnovers is because Patrick Beverley was on him that's as much of a story to me trust Cintos to help them open their doors with confidence get sentas and get ready for the workday learn how Cintas can help your business get ready at Cintas dot com that's C. 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I'm not lie being down seventy you can look to of eleven from three point range what was it twenty three points on the evening whatever it was it was an eight eight hundred twenty Schutte over all relatively pedestrian performance stood out more to me it was James Harden because of how anemic he was offensively in the second hand look more professional and run more smoothly cintas focus on the details so you can focus on keeping your business running at its best and delivers everything you need to open your door wars with confidence Cintas is a proud fortune five hundred company that is involved in over four hundred charitable causes and community events get Cinta in that case Stephen a the one weakness in his game has been in recent really since he's been in the league he's not a great passer he really wasn't a passenger on let's go to struggle back I get what you're saying about how good the clippers look etc but remember the warriors dominant for so long and people expect them I think to look this bad will almost there the Cheetah and learn your animal isn't the Cheetah but before less appealing blob fish come on glad insult to injury you could've used those fifteen blob fish minutes to switch your motorcycle insurance too Geico Geico fifteen minutes could save you fifteen assures and testing and training and compliance courses cintas helps customers get ready for the Workday for more than ninety years the company has worked to help businesses big and small he didn't he didn't do much but here's what I love about it the reason why I'm bringing it up is because I was incredibly happy to see the other things that he did he had four but like MJ on the Bulls he didn't play with a real point go either way there's nothing point about Lou Williams he's a scoring guard who gets rockets Houston's new dynamic duo and mixed reviews Russell Westbrook scored twenty points grabbed sixteen rebounds in his debut but James Harden had only two field goals on the night with us and get your business on track and now I fought from geico motorcycle it took fifteen minutes to take a spirit animal quiz online please be the cheater Jenner more on motorcycle insurance a lot of quiet dogs don't forget about Yoenis delivering me fifteen triple double of his career and leading the bus shoots come from behind win over Emma no you knew what you were GonNa get Kuwa- especially against these boys you were looking for what you're GonNa get from Steph just for last night's purposes it was about remind me how dangerous this team could be Everett Gordon is he really going to shoot like this going forward I mean my goodness he couldn't buy from three point range if he can shoot in the mid thirty percent from three point range that's all if he can shoot thirty four thirty five percent fifteen point that's a that's last night seeing James Harden perform the way that he did offensively but still watching how Houston Gel it just said something to me about how what is it fourteen assist on the night of hit all fourteen of his free throws his shot clearly wasn't falling but he got others involved in the Russell Westbrook's ability to push the ball up the floor and create open shots you have to ask yourself is James Harden and Eric Gordon going to shoot like that and so what you're trying to say that's the story now like who walks into a clippers game it doesn't expect to see some defensive wizard it's what we most we don't talk about much else it appears to be very corporate and dammit it looked like Ondeck cry I wanna point for a second what happened to Steph asking for crying out loud Jack Russell Westbrook pushing a ball up the floor is great as Chris Paul is Chris Paul ain't that athlete he doesn't have that kind of speed with the basketball and Angela Russell we heard of him and he he actually went on a ten spurt earlier Robin Doncaster Game Okay Eric Pascal Marquees ah that's a beautiful beautiful thing because he's been twenty nine percent lower over the last two or three years but I'm looking at James Harden is player in the world he showed it last night he was awesome and in terms of James Harden everything you say is right but only the answer is no they're going to be considerably better so I looked at it from that standpoint and even though the Greek was sensational and James Harden and clearly wasn't is playing like that there is no stopping this team has come and I got to look at the box score you know why I gotta look this is possible because I don't know who the health plan for the warriors I know Drain Monastery play a lot of young guys Obviously Yana stood out now leave that to Mexico spectacular but the what what the reason appeal from it is because we're talking about the Lakers and we're talking about the clippers and and you're absolutely right when you when you add a giant new piece like Westbrook the team has to learn what to do who defers to like that's why the argument they had on the side what's the guy who I think has a chance to be eventually the finals MVP and coli the fact the Co why did him doesn't necessarily meet like the free still may be the second actually good I took that as a good sign because the reason they do that out in the open it's because they're boys they can do that it's a sign of Health on the team so I agree with that analysis and hardens away the step back three and they have rim defender so once you funnel them there you're going to have more success than maybe other teams will and Westbrook was sensational in the fourth quarter Wyan and the freak faced off in the playoffs that's going to determine the best player in the game right now that's the that's the MVP the MVP in the freak aww about it Patrick Beverley then that of course that's something everyone you think I'm going to struggle Patrick Beverley force turnovers you think that means Westwood we got a new Semi Alpha dog him and James Harden but all the other pieces of their and you're not necessarily asking them to do anything differently give them credit they came back and we'll have but this one is on me and I just I wasn't as aggressive enough and games there's a lot of attention on it I get it's not fair with the details with the rockets because they're integrating westbrook but people are watching you what are you gonNa do I don't question even there Stephen There's something about opening your first game of the season which is more like the playoffs than a lot of other back into the game started out slow will by the way eventually found out but ruled them back into the game this is a dude that's why I said last year when Max it had me looking at the Houston Rockets saying wait a minute now these brothers could be for real which is why is another reason to be excited about this all right but I think the point that you're missing is that even though harding ca dance on anybody in virtually impossible to God and single coverage and you're asking him to make remaking was excellent also when his shot wasn't falling but Stephen Thirty points with a triple double in your opener when it looked like they were hardens game overall except one thing with the money on the line will you hit the shots how many times do we sit here when from a talent perspective in edge over the Los Angeles Lakers because essentially you're integrating Kawhi Leonard and ultimately Paul George to a nucleus that's been relatively Russell Westbrook I am sick and tired of people maligning this guy in this regard he is not the selfish play that people accused him of being he we're going to beat the brakes off you like early the rockets get out to leave you're like Whoa look at these Houston Rockets the box I don't know and comfortable will then in an effort to come back at no moment of the game we feel like we gave up like this can only make you better offensively the entire night shots I think that in the playoffs what you would witness with Russell Westbrook him is that he'll get more open on contesting shots than he's ever wrench to Russell Westbrook who was high energy and very obviously hype for the game I love the fact that Russell westbrook shock wouldn't shy like forty two percent had four and that's what you have to pay attention to and the other thing that we have to pay attention to is what we say about the clippers why do we give the clippers as a squad I wanna comment real quick on harden I'll get I'll get to the freak this about the freak for me but based on what you just said I agree with you harden missed a lot of shots but they were taking that they're taking it's not that he's a selfish player I agree those been criticized for going for rebounds it should go to teammates to get triple doubles and stuff but I I agree that he's a team player I want to say something else about the freak because he's GonNa push the ball up before the only thing that you're asking these players to do now is run more why are they running because you're going to get the shots the bridge in San Francisco streets struggle to play defense allowing the most points ever in a home opener one hundred and forty one to the clippers for also setting records by putting up the most intact well guess what the same is applicable to the Houston Rockets knows that because now Russell Westbrook is there but Clint Capella has been there Eric Gordon has been there with James not to mention the fact that James Harden was also ball dominant because he'll dancing you create one on one opportunities that kind of thing so place Russell Westbrook the only thing that they have to do differently now than they may have had to do before Rick Chris Paul you did find yourself more in in half for me Auden what have you and of course PJ Tucker we gotta remember that as well and so as you look at them you just say to yourself okay we're going out of our way to integrate Russell lights our brightest and say well this hard the shot just wasn't falling brother when the lights of rightous you gotTa make sure those shots fall and the St we'll hit when he crashed the boards and the reason Westbrook my issue is Westbrook as he pulls too hard under pressure because he he's trying to do too much for his eleven assists you know why because all the play making your giving hardin credit for the Greek Freak deserves the same credit and took the Combo is an excellent answer any willing passer and his court vision and passing is the reason that offense works so well plus a hit your shots when they're at the rim hit suspect competition to be kind as the second half of the season arrives let's see what we see from him then and when he goes against the eagles horrendous secondary Detroit lions different animal but they've had to deal with some things and of course the hapless woeful Washington Redskins we'll show you he will look good but when it really really counts can you count on him the answer historically has so first of all when you stop playing real competition I'll give you more credit secondly I would forewarn everybody right now kirk cousins is having it for competition if he performs this way then I'll give him credit until then I'm going to be redundant hail you have to give him credit since dealing call them out this completion percentage in a game in vikings history here's cousins after last night to win over Washington six to I think we've got everything in front of us much better and I agree with you Stephen He's having an MDC caliber season most Dalvand Cook. I mean let's face it what's going on is there going through right now and it's there's nothing worse nothing less prayers are with you and your family thank you Steven we'll talk a little football now guys and I'm going to be this little winning streak that you on this four game win the street that you're on after being called out conveniently you beat in the giants bad defense Philadelphia Good thank you ready to give cousins some credit pill no not at all a part of it is the fact that I like Kirk cousins I've met them I've talked to them in the past he did I show when he was with the Redskins and we took the show on the road for training camp he's an incredibly nice in with kirk cousins here look now but the Minnesota Vikings are six into right behind the packers and the NFC north cousins was twenty three twenty six last night with the sky don't get me wrong but let's remember what teammates have said about him in the past he's a guy that will get his numbers he is a guy that we take a moment I don't want to interrupt the show too much but I wanted to on behalf of all of us to get my heartfelt condolences to Shaquille O'Neal his Mama Lucille Neil and their family lost his baby al-Aziz demands throwing thirteen touchdowns three interceptions he's passed nearly two thousand yards he's completing seventy two percent of his passes and he's a sixty two record they're running they're excellent running back early in games that setting up play action and since he's done that like when Goss head girly he looks like a great quarterback Ashley then he looks pretty good but give it to him because under the right circumstances he does look pretty good ultimately does anyone believe that the vikings like an all world receiver over the past three weeks since he was supposedly ready to get traded all of this stuff has happened and now kirk cousins has looked great like a very nice guy we don't believe it because we don't believe in Kirk cousins under pressure as I always say a lot of those stats he's been winning recently if you watched him close Saudis okay he's better than average probably kirk cousins is a middle of the pack quarterback and when he can run play action with a guy who's really when you look at when you look at his numbers right now and the way that they're winning if you just looked at the numbers and ignored the competition if you just looked at the numbers he's having an MVP sister after a long a long bow cancer he is absolutely devastated they were incredibly close and he's a friend of this show he's a friend of mine and a brother and it's been an emphatic no and so now that he's doing this he's going to be in the eye of the storm because you're six and two Stefan digs and we gotta go out and prove it the second half of the season but we've put ourselves in a position now or the second half of the season is going to be there for the taking and and so that's asleep or empty calorie you know you need eight yards for a first down he gives you six in your punting he gets his stats but the team doesn't succeed they're succeeding right now who top to bottom have the most talent in that division are going to make noise in the playoffs no and why don't we believe it by the way I agree with you but when you look at the ingredients of most successful teams most successful teams what do you have you have a playoff ready defense and you have a running game I know he's hurt right now I just want to say I love you big big fella and Our condolences go out to you and your family there's no question the worst shack is the best and you and I both know must give him credit but that's the extent listen here's the deal when you look at the Minnesota Vikings you can give them credit before you give cousins credit because you can hold her cousins history against it early in the game because once you have to respect that now play action is open and that's how he's racking up all these numbers and look and they're winning it's really about Dalvand Dalvin Cook is special excellent doesn't begin to describe this brother is best show he can run that put boys averages a quarterback stinks but we can't really say that because that's not apropos okay then

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"The first take your take. Podcast is presented by capital one. This is banking reimagined. I think your take on. Espn radio the ESPN APP. Siriusxm channel eighty. Espn heck even on your smart speakers. Did you know you can just ask your smart speakers to play? Spn Radio and they'll get to write to us so make sure you do that. We're presented by progressive insurance. I'm Jason Fitz get you started with the headlines that you need to know Philip rivers sort of what's next I mean. How often do you say like the the old adage of the five year business plan might just log onto health for so many of us right now? I understand that but Philip rivers has a pretty good idea of. What's next for him? After his time with the colts has done. He was named the head. Football coach in waiting at Saint Michel Catholic high school on Friday. RIVERSO won't officially take over as the coach of the team located by the Williams Fair Hope Alabama until he retires from the NFL so whenever that maybe he will be the coach in waiting. I've never heard of such Hoopla Lover Coaching waiting in a high school. But Either Way Philip rivers knows what's coming next the NFL might not know what's coming next specifically with the timing but they do have flexibility even though we got the schedule released last night one important note according to Adam Schefter there's great article on ESPN DOT com talking about the fact that that scheduled released but there is some significant opportunity to pull levers the league may need to pull tied around the super bowl if they need any scheduling help. There's at least a premise. Right now. That the Super Bowl could be backed up weeks if not months potentially without having to make significant changes to the regular ski season schedule so any games that could be funded. The beginning of the year could be tacked on at the end as they simply move the super bowl too later in the year. Looks like there's some flexibility there. We'll keep an eye on that. There's not a lot of flexibility from the NCWA. They've responded to Kansas Remember They accused Kansas of several violations in regards to the shoe scandal. That has been such a conversation of late well. Kansas responded to now the NC Double A. has responded to their response and the words are serious. Here they call it. Quote egregious in severe rules violations that quote significantly undermining threaten the NC double a college model. They also alleged J. Bill self an assistant Kurtis Townsend quote embraced welcome and encouraged Iverson poison consultants to influence high profile basketball recruits with Kansas so the NC double a. ready to lay down the law with Kansas City. See would that mean moving forward those headlines. I take your take on. Espn RADIO ESPN news. I'm Jason Fitz Raskin. You guys to Chime in which. Nfl Game Are you most excited about. The schedule is out. Which game are you most excited about? I'm excited about the satisfying crunch of Nature Valley. Crunchy bars. That can keep your family going in with whole grain oats and real delicious honey. It's really tasty to Nature Valley oats and crunchy bars. So let's get your take on the game you're most excited about on the NFL schedule. Joel in Toronto. What do you got? What can what game you most pump for? I love maitre bar country where to but person when you can sit down and watch that first aired football game. I do not care who on television. That's the one I'm excited for. It means football back and I'm excited for it. Look you know you make a really good point. By the way every year they give us a Thursday night matchup that usually involves the super bowl. We know that. So this year we get Texans. Chiefs are Thursday night matchup two teams that are expected to be pretty good although the chiefs open and there's a huge favor. I've never understood why they do that. What I would personally do if I was the. Nfl is give us the worst game of the entire. We're so starved for football by the opening Thursday of the season. That's the time to to put in your jags versus whoever gave the game. Nobody's GonNa WanNa Watch care about that. So when you put in Thursday night because we will all be so pump for that first weekend make burner weekend get the bad games out of the way. Kevin in Florida. What do you got? What game are you most excited about who? I'm a lifelong chief fan. I know that hurts your heart. But they'll remember twenty nine is Tampa Bay. I live right outside at Alabama I get to see Brady versus volved again So we twelve big one. I'm all on fire about that game looking and you're right it hurts my heart but I'll say this at some point you just gotta tip a hat and whether it's as a fan or as an analyst as an employee whatever you just have to tip your hat and say we're GonNa Watch something special this chiefs team. I think is going to be something special to watch again this year. And while that obviously makes life difficult for my beloved raiders got nothing but respect for that game is going to be spectacular by that point of the year because it means so much gary in San Antonio. What game are you most pump for almost pump for the chiefs versus bills? I'm also a die. Hard chase span kingdom The reason I'm looking forward to that matchup is because if you look at the roster that the bills have in very similar to the ones that the chiefs have Dawson knocks you got Devon Single Cherry de Stefan big. I mean they were really rough team last year. I don't feel like they add them the weapon. I'M GONNA be interested to see how they stack up against us. Plus Bills Mafia versus change. She's kingdom bring it home that's going to be a great game and you're right the bills again the NFL nation guys went out and predicted a win loss record based on the schedule for every team. They've got the bills Ravens and chiefs all going twelve and four that's according to our NFL nation guys. That's good people believe the bills are going to be and we've spent so long sleeping on the bills in general. They were a better football team than they got credit for. Being last year Josh Allen took a step forward he still needs to take an even bigger step forward. But there's no excuses for him not to. He has great weapons around him. If Josh Allen CAN RESPOND THE BILL SHOULD BE GREAT. This you not just good. The bills should be great so I continued to look at the bills. Any of these matchups against the bills. If you're that just sits there and every year pencils in a W for your favorite team against the bills. Take a second and think long and hard about that because the bills are a team that should be set up to win double digit games this year without question. Let's we'll get more. You're taking it just a second triple eight say. Espn eight eight eight seven nine. Three seven seven six. We'll get more your take on which. Nfl game you're most excited about. But I gotta get this straight talk here brought to you by straight talk wireless and that comes in the form of a little bit of MBA debate magazine. Stephen today had the debate on. I take about whether the clippers or Lakers will be more ready after this break to come in and maximize their teams when you look at the clippers. This bond and I'll leave that to Max. I think it depends on who he's going to pick. But here's my mentality about the Los Angeles Lakers. It's not about the number of players who would be ready. It's about who matters and who matters is Lebron James. Now you could make the argument about it. Because there's no load management to lean on. Obviously he's getting plenty of recipes received plenty of rest unfortunately because of this corona virus pandemic but at the end of the day. I'm trusting Lebron James. I'm trusting his experience. I'm touching I'm trusting his brilliant. I'm trusting his work ethic and I'm trusting his postseason experience there and debate all want to about Lebron James. Being thirty five years of age you consider the fact that he missed the playoffs. The previous year comes back this. She is a top two candidate arguably the leading candidate for league. Mvp honest and then now you're going to be coming back with additional rest on that thirty five year old body and seventeenth NBA season. You combine that with the fact that the man is about two years removed from going to eight straight. Nba Finals for crying out loud. It what do you have? You have a person that's INCR- incredibly knowledgeable about what it takes physically to have yourself primed and ready to go. I Trust Lebron James and I trust the impact that he's going to have on his teammates including Anthony Davis and others more so than anything else. That's why I say. The Lakers answers the clippers. If there were regular season games I would agree with you Stephen but you talk about. It's Lebron who needs to be ready to go. Lebron is more facilitator now than he's ever been in his in the past he's really a point guard this season and what. He's done brilliantly because the Lakers have the best record in the western conference since the beginning of the season is get the guys on the same page is establish a rhythm and chemistry even when I got him opening night. The whole not mentioned Christmas. Even then I did have the thought the when you were talking I was talking about how passive Lebron wasn't certain respects about the challenge of I. But that's because it is. The score has one job on the clippers. The bronze jobs really orchestrator and he had to make that his guys and even did this to a lesser extent with the cavs and the heat at times regular season in the past. He had to make sure the guys he was gonNA rely on. Were ready to go in the moment of truth and that takes a lot of work as a point guard point forward whatever and and the chemistry and the rhythm was set which is why they were peaking when this thing went away. When social distancing occurred they just beating the box and the clippers? Were peaking right then. It took a lot of work to get to that level even though they'd had the best record most of the season but to get to that level took some time so if there was regular season games. I would agree with you Stephen because it would give the broad enough kind of runway to get ready for the playoffs. But if we come back and it's just playoff basketball. That HALF COURT CLIPPERS CO why Paul George Patrick Beverley Lou Williams by the way Shannon is going to be able to hit the three no matter what. He's just a shooting fool right like if going. Meet a lot of runway Lou. Williams GonNa get buckets. Regardless he doesn't need all this runway to be able to score Lou Williams was born scoring. Patrick Beverley is going to be able to play defense and hit the outside shot. When you need them to and Paul George and Kawhi Leonard Gains or less reliant on the kind of interdependency of the team then then what Lebron brings there with his complimentary pieces are relying upon so if we start with playoffs? This helps the clippers. Who get the rest for a team. That has not been able to play their best players together enough this season. That's some straight talk straight. Talk wireless everything for less only at Walmart and I agree that they get rest for there to players that they haven't been able to get on the court together but I think we're we're shifting the argument there. I mean much of the praise for the clippers. Roster has been that they have so much depth that they can beat anybody in the playoffs because depth is such a matter. A such an issue in playoff basketball. Look this year. I mean everybody's had the chance to rest and get ready so is a seven game series really. GonNa wear you down the same way. I don't think so. I think this helps the Lakers. Who were star studded roster top to bottom we all knew but we questioned the depth along the way that never turned out to be an issue the NBA season and now on top of that. They get rest so I have no problem with saying that the Lakers get more of a benefit out of this. That's straight talk. Straight talk wireless everything less only at Walmart tune into the last into behind the scenes. Look at the ninety s Bulls Dynasty. That's this weekend. The series continues to Sunday at nine PM Eastern on. Espn listened to wrap up podcast hosted by Jalen and Jacoby. That's immediately following the broadcast presented by state farm and eighteen available. Wherever you enjoy your podcast go get that podcast. If you can. I'll tell ya it's not just a recap of what you saw it's a recap with even more perspective around what the guys remember from that era and and sort of what they lived around it too so really cool opportunity to get some perspective on the NBA and everything else. That's all good in the world. We're now joined by Waddell and Sylvia's Mark Silverman Sylvie. Espn Chicago and before we get to any of the stuff that doesn't matter In in the grand scheme of things you obviously on air revealed to the audience last month you have non Hodgkin Lymphoma. How's your health? My friend are you doing okay? That's great to talk to you. Yeah so far so good. Been really optimistic. I've been feeling strong other than getting diagnosed. I didn't have any other symptoms except for swelling of the lymph. Nodes so you I've got a clinical trial going. I started that yesterday and then In two weeks from today my chemo starts so I reached out and I've networked. And obviously we've talked about the V. Foundation for so many years on ESPN and in our show and we've raised money. And I'm just thankful that we've made all this progress to where we're at this point right now and I'm feeling really good about it so You know the my my phrase has been we got this and that's the way I'm feeling going into it. Well God knows that You you absolutely have a support group like no other with your audience but also with so many of city. Spn and man was just. You're in our thoughts and prayers and anything we can all do. You know we're here for you. There's no easy way from like something that serious to sports. But we're going to have you talk about the last dance because once your you know so so so for what you've seen from the last dance what's really stood out to you. You know and I covered Michael so you know. I grew up with both season tickets. My family had both season tickets in sixty six sixty seven when they were in existence. So one can ever call me a bandwagon jumper. We were there in the days of you know well before the cocaine circus And through some of the lean years before Michael even got there and then and then I was fortunate where I covered the Bulls from ninety five to ninety eight Basically from when he returned through the last championship and even though I knew he was petty. And I love Michael Just just does the spotlight and how he just is great as he was as hard as he worked how he just needed to fuel for whether it was the Isaiah Thomas Grudge or The Grudges Abou- TONI KUKOC COACH BECAUSE JERRY. Krause loved them or that. Dan Marley was loved by Jerry Krause. It's just amazing that the greatest in the world just always needed that fuel to get into the to the next level or the next championship or the next win and and that's the thing that stood out to me. You know that is great. As he is fit is a basketball player in his disease as an athlete in a winner that he just needed that motivation and that he's just like us he's flawed just like anybody else so I think that's what stood out to me the most and and I love him for it. But it's it's obviously there would that flaw Craig. Hodges has been very vocal of late. Feeling that the documentaries one-sided what's your take on on Hodges opinion and I love Crag I think that he's gotten a raw deal for the way you know after ninety two he was basically blackballed from the NBA. And because of how he went to the White House there's deep story there that That has been told. And if you don't know it can be told more if you google at but I you know I don't agree with everything that Craig said I. One of my biggest complaints fits on our show that I brought up as been that. There's been no secret about the way this story was going to be told. We talked to Jason Hare every Monday after each episode. And I know that Jalen and Jacoby talked him as well After each episode as well and the way the story was been was the way. They've framed this from the start as this story was not going to be told without. Michael Jordan being motivated to wanting to do this so Michael's brand finally wanted to do it. They were seeking directors. They interviewed Jason Hair and other directors and the match was with Jason Hair. So this is always been framed as this is the story being told from the greatest athlete in the world's perspective. Is it GONNA BE SCIENTIST AT TIMES? Yes is it GonNa be only viewed through the Lens of Michael? Yes and I think as long as you know that I think we're all smart enough to kind of frame our own opinion and I brought up the petty nature. The Michael has and there will never be a time where I'm like. Well what are why? Are they only cover this? We know that this is through brand Jordan's perspective and I'm good with that. We're talking to waddle and Silvy smart Silverman. Sylvie I'm I take your take on ESPN radio. I'm Jason Fitz. I love that you mentioned some of that because Horace Grant I mean. That's all one report the other day saying that Michael wouldn't allow horse to eat after bad games. I mean it did. I miss something here on Horace Grant not being a grown man able to do what he wants. Yeah I I know you have not missed anything I mean I. I was surprised. You know you brought up the power about. I think the three things. Craig Hodges brought up Scotty. Pippin being selfish the cocaine circus comment in Horace Grant with the Jordan rules. That one surprised me the most That that I'd heard that there's An assistant coach Johnny Bach back in the day. I'd heard the rumors about him. Because I read the Jordan rules right when Sam Smith wrote it and there was always rumors about who was. But but yeah you know. Horace was such a vital part to the Bulls He was brought in with Scotty in the same draft and eighty seven and without horace grant. They don't win anything but the stuff about whether Michael you know. They gave horace food to eat and I know there was a bad break up there with them. Going DOOR ORLANDO. But Yes Horace. Grant is a grown ass man. Horace Grant was vital to the Bulls winning championships. He was a top player. He was a blue collar player. He had faults too at times. He wanted more credit than he thought he was. Getting so I I think that just like many of the great teams in the past threats Who HAD FLAWS? Who had arguments the eighty five bears that we lived through? Here's another good example. As great as they were all the great championship teams had flaws. And they had sort of this this Drama going on behind the scenes that none of us really knew about her. Maybe some of US did know. And now it's just coming to light. You mentioned that this was obviously going to be told through the eyes of Michael Jordan. And we've seen much about Jerry Krause and he's become a villain to the entire nation. That may not have known so much of the story but Jerry Reinsdorf has managed to stay very clean throughout the course of this documentary so far what what sort of your take on the way. That Jordan is approached REINSDORF. He's still a decent relationship with Jerry. He's one of the thirty owners in the League like Jerry and I think it's totally true. What you brought up I think for whatever reason where whatever Jerry Krause was thinking that Jerry. Krause wanted more credit. He wanted to do it without Michael because he's the only guy that Jerry didn't put into place on the roster. He was inherited Whether he thought that Phil was getting too big and he wanted Tim Floyd to do it. The Jerry Reinsdorf is the owner. The Jerry Reinsdorf always has the veto power But Jerry is always given the power to his front office guys. We're we saw it here for years with John. Paxson and Gar Forman. It took basically seventeen years of them only getting to one eastern conference finals before they finally changed the management team. It's runs the white sox is again has been blown out of the white sox. Frank Thomas was had a feud with the white sox at one point On and on now he always empowers the front office guys right or wrong. But this is the greatest franchise ever in Chicago with the dynasty one of the greatest American sports teams ever and I thought it was always a shame that if Jerry reinsdorf not krause truly wanted this to go on for a seventh he could have made this happen. You guys follow him on twitter at waddle and Silvy Mark Silverman Sylvie check him out on. Espn CHICAGO MY friend. Most importantly get healthy. Well we're we're praying for you over here and thank you so much for your insight your expertise taking a little time with this means the world. Thanks so much man. Yeah keep up the great work fetch and I appreciate the well. Thank you follow him on twitter at waddle and Silvy love getting the perspective of the guys in Chicago because no matter how much we talk about it and I talk about the documentary a lot because I live that era as a fan when you talk about living that era in Chicago with people. It's a total different level. And when you talk about the level of insight that Sylvia has getting to cover those teams. That's what we're really seeing here. And that's what's most interesting to me afterwards. Don't forget when it comes to insurance state farms a real deal with over nineteen thousand local agents and an award-winning mobile APP. You can get help when you need. Help the help you need when you need to find an agent or get a quote at State Farm Dot Com. I WANNA get help reading going. GonNa come next for me. I come up cowboys. Rams who Stephen Eight picking. You might be surprised by the answer on that. You'll hear that coming up plus we'll get more. You're on which matchup you're most excited for your take on. Espn radio the ESPN APP. Siriusxm channel eighty the SPF news. I'm Jason Fitz presented by Progressive Insurance. Do not forget the All in challenge fundraising initiative continues to offer exciting sports experiences. You can bid on. This is important. Enter to win it just like a Raffle at that point. Don't have to have a ton of money. In fact ten bucks buys ten raffle tickets. It's that easy. And it's all the support organizations providing food to those in need particularly kids the elderly and frontline workers. There's an ultimate spent for trial that again. There's ultimate sports fan. Experience closing tonight did is unreal. 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I'm excited for the week. Fifteen New Orleans Saints Kansas City game because pretty much any game that drew brees is playing. One of the high quarterback. Like Patrick. Mahomes is GonNa be good I know he's also playing Tom. Brady and Aaron Rodgers which are also you games. Well I love the fact. Even though that's a week fifteen game that's a non conference game. You could say that. Maybe it wouldn't matter as much but remember. Only one team gets a by now. So if the chiefs in the saints are both in a dogfight for the top overall seed. You're going to have two teams playing late in the season for everything at that. Point Austin and Kentucky what do you got is the NFL game? You're most excited about Jason. Thanks for taking my call race. Raider love on here too many chiefs fan on the calls a day So I started being a raiders fan as soon as Tom Brady. Got The talk rule in his favor and then we turn around and loss to the buccaneers and the Super Bowl. So I'm definitely looking forward to the raiders taking down the buccaneers in Las. Vegas May and I. I'm telling you what I hope that can happen. Obviously the raiders fan they could put it was a fumble not talk all my tombstone and it wouldn't be inappropriate. Most people would know that that was probably fitting you guys can keep trying chiming in what? Nfl Game Are you most excited about triple eight say ESPN eight. Eight eight seven two nine three seven seven six. That's you get in on the fun. Which game are you most excited about this coming season? Espn radio presented by Progressive Insurance. Making it easy to bundle your home and car insurance so the question is cowboys are the rams who you got a stephen. A imacs at the debate between the cowboys. And the Rams Today on I if you believe you have talent at the head. Coaching and quarterback spot usually in it. So what do we think of mcvay and golf? I didn't think quite as highly of them as some did like two thirds of the way through all the way through the season. Two Years Ago Jared. Goff like an. Mvp and Sean mcvay is this genius. And they were probably a little bit overrated at that point but last year. I think they've because of last year. They've become underrated. If mcvay can't make adjustments now then what he did year one with all the playoffs and everything that's a parlor trick and now the lead caught up to him. I believe he's better than that. And he can make adjustments as a head coach and I don't think offers an MVP. But I also think he's a pretty good quarterback so I think you start with a really good foundation and a team that had a lot invested in a running back who didn't give them what they needed last year. Who's now replaced that piece? Let's not forget two years ago. It was the rams and the chief says the two. Oh my God did you see that kind of teams? I'm expecting the rams to recapture some of that and upset the cowboys at home week. One maximum most situations. I reckon you rat but not this particular situation. But I'm going to have to go with these Dallas cowboys. Laura I know you laughing at my southern accent but I think in this particular instance as we're discussing this particular topic it's Apropos to sit up there and talk to my some friends out there. You we all know. I love my buddy Jerry Jones. I don't like what he's doing. The my Guy Dak Prescott deserve to be treated a hell of a lot better than he has. Been My buddies Jerry Jones Stephen Jones. I reckon that they'll come in Iraq including the time and I think that they're right that chip and I think everything will be just fine that. Let's get into those cowboys. We're not talking about cowboy fans now because we know I can't stand them those disgusting nauseating fans the worst fan base in American history. As far as I'm concerned the delusional budge that they are but Jerry Jones. My Buddy my lieber brother I love that man and I think that there's going to be a good year for you got Dak Prescott. I go get him back at these going. Signed that exclusive franchise tag reach a long term agreement before July fifteen. Then after that. You Still Got Amari Cooper. Just one hundred million dollars. You still got my galloped all by the way. Cd Lamb supposed to be a Michael. Michael Irvin Aka playmaker came on National Television and blessed that man with his number eighty eight and he says there's obviously ingredients and a requirement that comes with wearing that number and he has no confidence in the world. That CD live up to them. And then we gotta Zeke Elliott. Can't forget that do and he capo this time rap. He's GonNa be there bright and early ready to go so we've got that going on. You got to believe that the deepest gonNA improve of Gigi much worse than it was a particular judges last dip. Take all those things into consideration. They take into account that southern California whether the fact that unfortunately the corona virus pandemic is going right now. So Ain't GonNa be a bunch of fans in attendance for them to feed off of is going to come down to talent on that side of the ball in La ct against the talent and big deep and as a result of that reality. I'm looking at the Dallas cowboys. Having Superior Talent opening game of the season no hostile environment. That they'll be walking into okay. The carbonation all things leads me to believe the Molly Jerry Jones. Go start off. Twenty twenty guests ride The Dallas. Cowboys will not go the Los Angeles. Rams reminding us that Jared Golfing at one hundred and ten million dollars in guaranteed did he received might have been a bit premature on a part of the Los Angeles. Rams now saying they ain't going to have a good season not saying that at all because I like me. Some Sean McMahon well but in the end the bottom line is as game of the Season Dallas. Cowboys will take it. There win that game and they'll move on from there. I think your take on. Espn news the one thing that we can't answer yet and what makes it so difficult is when you're talking first. Games of the season you're also talking about. We don't know how limited the off season workout programs are going to be. There isn't adjustment time for a new coaching staff. And that's why as Mike Tannenbaum told us in our one. Keep an eye on teams continuity not just from coaching head coaching but also from coordinators. There's not a big difference in the offensive and defensive game plans. You have a better chance of sustaining through the early portion of this season so even though the cowboys are clearly a better team will continuity matter in that matchup. Espn radio presented by Progressive Insurance. Making it easy to bundle your home and car insurance I take your take on. Espn RADIO ESPN bomb. Want everybody updated on a mini woes. Mom This is the latest Adrian Watson. Espn senior NBA insider tweeted about two minutes ago. A story file to ESPN in municipalities. Where Corona virus testing has become readily available for at risk healthcare workers teams opening facilities for voluntary workouts will be allowed to administer. Kovic nineteen tests to as symptomatic players and staff so again immunized municipalities run corona virus testing is readily available at risk healthcare workers teams opening facilities for voluntary workouts will be allowed to administer. Kovic attests to ASEM dramatic players and staff. This will again speak to one of the biggest challenges that we're going to start to see from the NBA. Which is how do you find competitive? Balance when different municipalities will have different levels of tests different workouts which means different people in the building. This is going to be the single greatest challenge the NBA has to figure out is not just when to open up but how have any level of competitive balance in the process of getting to where they can open up. That is not an easy solution when every local government is making their own decisions on what they're comfortable with when testing is different in every spot. And where the the level of crisis is different in every spot. That's going to be the biggest challenge. Adam silver has to define it something. He hasn't been able to answer as of yet. That's what I'll keep an eye on. That's the latest we got from woke. We'll keep your take coming on what? Nfl Games you're most excited about triple eight say. Espn eight eight eight seven nine. Three seven seven six schedules out. What are you pump? Four plus what went into planning Saturday's UFC? Two forty nine Dana white joined. I take earlier today to go. Deep dive on. You'll hear it next. It's first take your take on. Espn RADIO AND ESPN news. I take your take on. Espn radio the ESPN APP. Siriusxm channel eighty also on ESPN news. I'm Jason Fitz if you missed the second hour. Today's show we're on from one to three. I don't know what you're doing but that's okay. You can check it out on demand in the first day. Care Take podcast brought to you by capital one. We capital one. You can open a new checking or savings account with no fees no minimums welcome to banking reimagined. What's in your wallet approval required Capital One and a member? Fdic WE'RE ASKING YOU WHICH NFL game are you most excited about triple eight say? Espn eight. Eight eight seven nine three seven seven six. There's a bunch of them. I mean we forget how good this schedule is until you watch three broadcasts brilliantly done by everybody last night get y'all stack and excited for it so we're GonNa take your taking just a second. What are you most excited about? But I a lot of people excited this weekend about. Ufc Two forty nine. Laura leverage the law rutledge the great reporter for US had the chance to talk to about the precautions. They're taking for you to forty nine and Stephen chimed in with Maxine Dana. This will look like this weekend. One of the things that a lot of people have been curious about is just how you're going to take the safety precautions with everybody involved here to make sure everybody's safe and you've been very forthright about that with the testing that you have in place. Just let people know exactly what you're doing with all that with your fighters and the other people that will be present. Obviously there's going to be no crowd here on Saturday night. We've cut the amount of people that are working on the event down over half of of what normally works here. And you know everybody's being tested multiple testing two different types of testing You know we're we're doing everything we can to make sure that this event is safest possible. Nothing is ever a hundred percent guaranteed but health and safety is something that we worry about every weekend that we put on an event not just because of covert Nineteen Dana. Forgive me for asking this question but I remember last time you on our show. We were expecting a fight in a matter of days and ultimately it was cancelled. We don't have to worry about this time around do because I can't wait for this bike. We're looking forward to this. You don't anticipate any hiccups whatsoever right. We're going to have this fight tomorrow night right. There are always hiccups but as a right here right now. Everything has gone very smoothly. This FIGHT WILL NOT BE CANCELLED. But you never know what can happen. Anything is possible into those guys get into the octagon but as of right now everything has been very smooth near everybody's healthy. Everybody is ready to go in. The governor is onboard. The mayor is on board. The State Athletic Commission is on board. We're good to go. How do you think your idea? And the way executed. This can export two different sports. Would it work for the NFL in the near future or Major League baseball would it work for NDA? Would it only worked for boxing or golf or one on one sports like that? What do you think about that? Here's the first and foremost it's expensive. Okay you have to be willing to spend the money number one number two. You have to be willing to go without a gate which is again very expensive. Who's willing to go without a gate? Somebody's football teams have sixty five seventy thousand seat arenas are you willing to go with no fans. Everything has a solution. Everything can be done safely. If you're willing to spend the money I take your take on. Espn news I'm Jason Fitz dinovite seeing some strong comments but also remember one thing. Every single sport is looking at the UFC now as the testing ground as beginning big right. Somebody's GONNA be first to market so you have see coming back. I is at least giving everybody a guideline and of what to see what to expect. And what can happen in very limited situations now? How does that apply to Major League baseball the NBA The NFL? I don't know but you can bet your but that the NBA Major League Baseball and the NFL are watching it to see how we can apply and they should be. Somebody's going to be I back if the UFC event can go off with no struggles. No hassles no outbreak as a result you. I believe you will see other sports. Look at it and try and copycat as much as they can to figure out how they can get back by the way if you're missing baseball tune in tomorrow night for an classic game three of the two thousand eighteen world series between the dodgers and red sox presented by Progressive Insurance Coverage Begins at eight PM Eastern on ESPN radio and the ESPN APP. We've been asking you guys. What game you most excited about? Let's go to Justin in New York just in what's your take. What are you most pump for I'm must pump full week. Fourteen when the New York giants face the Cleveland Browns over J on their team. Is that what you're really excited for? Its Zeal Beckham. Junior take on the giants. Yeah Justin how old are you buddy? I'm Kenya's old you rock. Thank you for calling the show call in any time we take. Okay all right. That's Awesome Justin. I'm a sucker for kids. They call into sports talk shows. I'll admit that all day long and that's going to be a big game. He's right about that. I think is going to spend all week leading up to that game blowing it up. You know. I'm telling you that you Thomas in Tennessee. What do you got what gave me pump for? Hey Fitz I'm looking forward to any in a day lit up. Oh Man just need football back Thomas I just Miss Sports. Right now so bad I watch. Do you have a favorite favorite team that you're going to be watching this fall a cowboys fan? Ever since I could well well look that Amazon. Thanks for your take on it. You're right we're all looking for every single one of them but man. I'm telling you the cowboys talent. You'RE GONNA have fun to watch. Eddie and Wisconsin you. What what gave you most excited about? Well every forty niners game And I say this with all due respect to you and to will cain everybody else who says Numbers in history haven't favored Super Bowl contenders. I think he was you. I don't remember when it was a few weeks ago. Where us you see a potential drop off the forty niners and me being excited. How are for not last year? I see potential. I want them to do well. I want them to come in and I want them to destroy the cardinals a week. One and work their way through the season beating the cowboys week. Fifteen and stuff like that but it's just an opportunity to just prove the skeptics wrong. Well look at. I would love nothing more than for the forty niners Scott and crush good with me. But you're right for me. It's a little like Charlie Brown run-up to the football couple of years ago I came into the off season and said my God. The jags defense is so good. They're going to be fine then. Last year I came into the season same but the bears defense is so good. They're going to be just fine and both of those teams took a step back. So I'm cautious when it comes to the forty niners because recent history shows us that these defensive teams don't necessarily have the same success women loss wise the following year. It's my only concern. Jimmy is who he is. My concern is can the defense be replicated? Thanks FOR LISTENING TO I. Take your take on. Espn radio I'm Jason Fitz.

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The Clippers Have Chemistry Issues

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The Clippers Have Chemistry Issues

"It ever since the clippers acquired Kawhi Leonard and Paul George this summer. They've been one of if not the favorites to win it all. And I'm telling you that the Clippers will win the NBA championship dish. You think you're in the wilderness on that yeah to win it who who who was saying. Otherwise who is the clippers are currently third in the western conference and five games behind. The first place Lakers but some new reporting from the athletic has revealed that all is not well behind the scenes the athletics you'll von Boo joins us today to talk about how the clippers have been struggling to adapt to life with Hawaii as their their silence superstar and what that process could mean for their season. Either team reaches their potential Windsor Championship and overcomes whatever chemistry issues. They have right now or this is going to fall short from wondering athletic. I'm Davidson and I'm unders Kelco. It's Friday January. Twenty four th and this is the lead. It felt like something was happening. There is no in the past. Because you're not good. This isn't a story you're community the athlete it stays with you with the capital one venture card you earn unlimited double miles on every purchase everyday and you can use those miles towards travel expenses like flights hotels rental cars and more just book and pay for your travel using your venture card in redeem your miles toward the cost capital one. What's in your wallet? CREDIT APPROVAL REQUIRED CAPITAL ONE BANK USA NA. So you've on and when did you first start to hear rumblings that all might not be well in the clippers locker room so this all started a couple of weeks ago after a home loss to the Memphis Grizzlies but I just could not get out a third year in a surprising laws but they came in. Just whip the Clippers speech might twenty six points at home and is trying to find Guinea best to work right now and lettuce tomatoes. The defense of Clippers right now is moving in quicksand really is as a step or two late in their booth really lackluster performance. And I'd had already started to pick up on from being around the team every day that something was often the vibe in the locker room just you know guys kind of being weird around each other not being super play Foale and laughing and joking around and just the mood seemed a little tents and then after that game mantras herald the Clippers backup center. What one of the most important players just went off to reporters about you know? We're not a great team. Something online not a great team. We wish we came together this year. You have to heaven. Never been partners. Team still has to figure out we need to do to win the the the some tax what he was saying to me. There were some deep seated issues. It's January now. What's the vibe of the locker? Maybe you and Doc rivers this clippers. Coach apparently had some choice words for Herald after he gave that interview. DOC was very upset that Into the team publicly the next game game during the pre game meeting doc lights into Trez and causes them out and his yelling at him in front of the team and is making a point of like you got to keep the stuff internal you whatever. Ver- issues we're having whatever issues you have with our performance. You can't go to the media event so that happened at a team meeting deduct address any of that frustration in public. Lick it a little bit He was asked about comments and he downplayed it. This is not a great team right now. He was glad you're gonNA Walker and there's no notion you can get through this before you said when there are no routine yet joe you win. It's comments overall. Were a bit heated But he downplayed he kind of agreed with fries where he was like. You know he's right. He didn't say where a bad team we award you. Do you have to get better at a lot of things to get better. Not Defense offense our institution better known Alito Yvonne. It sounds like a lot of attention here is about the team's identity and the big acquisitions. They made in the off season. You know last season. The clippers were one of the feel good stories of the year by La Clippers. Oddly Warriors Court here down and they overachieved without any real superstars. Just you you know a group of of grinding amount workhorses but with the two superstars coming in it sounds like the teams identity is now a little unclear. Blazing Gentlemen Kawhi Leonard and bought Joe Hard headed to the La Clippers are we. Are We mesmerized by this news. I mean what the heck is going on. Where where Paul George come from? It sounds like there is a little bit of a divide between the new clippers and the old clippers where philosophically Kawai Ryan and Paul George. They're really focused on the playoffs winning a championship the big picture whereas some of the guys from last season's team that made last season he doesn't seem so Special Mantras Herro by Patrick Beverley rebelling for that is fifty three point of tonight Williams defended by these guys are grinders. Their Hooper Cooper that there are guys who they WANNA play every game if they can play. They're gonNA play. I think that Philosophical Division is at the center of some of these chemistry issues right now with with this team because obviously why does not play back to backs. Meanwhile the Los Angeles Clippers Colli Leonard. Not available tonight. Vote managing a knee. Injury is Mr Comanagement which no one LASSIE's clippers team. Whatever she dare do like good luck telling Patrick Beverley mantras Herald to sit out a game? Like that's just not how those guys has operated. Is this the first that we're hearing about teammates. Having an issue with coup is load management. I mean last year. We didn't really hear too. You much about what his teammates on the raptors really felt about this. Yes oh I've I've heard from people around the team that this this was a bit of an issue with the raptors. It just never really got out there. But I think the other element of this that has to be factored in his clippers about a lot of injuries agrees. Paul George is expected to miss the start of the regular season while recovering from surgeries on both his shoulders. PG said as of now. I'll be out of October fully. But what else we'll see in. November range is our target date so they've had more injuries in the. You know the Lakers the box. The nuggets like go down the list. They've had more miss game so their top players in any of those teams crashes hard holding his elbow over to the bench. It's one thing heading into the season saying saying. Hey you're GonNa Miss Ten fifteen twenty games. He's going to manage back to backs you know. We're we're prepping him for the playoffs. But then once you start having Paul George misses the first. It's Monday the season and is now missed. Almost two weeks Landry Shamet missed almost twenty games to Michael Green Patrick Beverley Lou Williams on and on on the list of the roster auster and then you look down the bench and you have a load managing and sitting out games that he may be could plan. And you're kind of like we're losing games now in part because you're sitting out and I think too quiet credit. He is not fully healthy. I think anyone that's watched him as closely as I've watched him can say I like. He is not one hundred percent he's probably not even ninety percent So I think there is legitimacy to the load management strategy but at the same time time going back to the Egos of last season's team. This is a team of guys who are second round picks You know guys who went undrafted guys who've had to scrap for everything they've got in the league and to tell them you know your best players not playing tonight like dot is not been an easy pill for some guys swallow and it sounds like another issue you've heard about is that Kawhi is given a lot of power in terms of dictating the teams practice schedule. Yes so one detail. That not really surprised me and I confirm this with with other people around the league just to make sure. It wasn't an overreaction but he's actually actually cancelled walk throughs which is basically a lighter version of practice the team will go through some sets some stuff they want to go over in the next game and and you know. There's been a couple of instances the season where is actually cancelled walk-throughs Just because he doesn't want to go through and the team as acquiesce his wishes wishes by instead of just saying article. You don't have to do this. They just canceled it altogether. You know one instance was literally. It's ten minutes before the walk through the team team is tying their shoes. Shooting around stretching choir goes up to doc rivers tells him I don't want to go through through today on the spot. Doc Rivers cancelled the walk through and stuff like that as really rub players the wrong way. It's not necessarily uncommon for a star player to dictate practices. Shoot arounds. Walk through those types of things. Your Lebron James Harden's you're Y- honesty's like those guys have that type of power but for them to have the team already at the facility getting being ready warming up and just the canceled on the spot like that that is not common and should be fair Doc rivers did deny that they cancelled the walkthrough. Yes and I I think doc has every right to publicly protected by and you know denied that but we behind it from both parties that this happened so we stand by reporting of the incident eve written that. There's also this issue that his presence isn't always felt in the locker room. It's a personality thing and this obviously isn't the first time that being detached has rub people the wrong way. I mean couldn't you. You just say like this is just his personality. He's not this like gregarious outgoing guy and why. Why is that? A problem you know guys wants to feel like they know you guys is WanNa feel like they have a relationship with you and quiet not gone out of his way. According to our reporting in sourcing to get to know most of the team he has a few guys on the team and he he sits on the plane interacts within the locker room. And I think there's an element of that. Where even if you don't necessarily agree with someone from from a philosophical perspective? That's a team of yours. If you at least feel like they care about you and WanNa get to know you and are kind of going that extra mile. You're going to be more okay with things but I think with Kawhi. There still are a lot of guys in the locker room that feel like they don't know him that well and for him to come in and start calling the shots and getting certain things. That's what's the RUB people the wrong way a little bit. Chemistry's everything what we look back. You know six months from now a year from now at the two thousand nine hundred ninety two hundred and twenty clippers. It'll be one of two things either. This team reaches their potential and Windsor Championship overcomes whatever chemistry issues. They have right now. ooh Or this team is going to fall short. And barring a significant injuries you Paul George to Lou Williams. I think if they don't win the championship it's most likely because of somebody's country things and because they just haven't been on signage hair Davidson Davidson host of the lead every day we strive to bring you compelling sports stories from around the world and we couldn't make that happen without the amazing local and national reporters orders at the athletic here on the lead. We can only bring you one story a day but the athletic can keep you up to date on all the teams and leagues that you care about their. There are no ads pop ups or Click Bait just great sports writing that digs deep into the story behind the story get exclusive player profiles deep dives lives on analytics team power rankings and fantasy sports insights from our team of more than four hundred writers. Each subscriber gets a personalized feed daily stories on your team's live. QNA's with your favorite writers original podcasts and more subscribe to the athletic for less than three dollars and fifty cents per month go to who the athletic dot com slash the lead thirty. That's the athletic dot com slash. The lead thirty to start reading today. So you've also found during you're in your reporting that the clippers have been taking steps to try and really address some of these chemistry issues. Tell us about that. Yeah so following the the clippers near disastrous weekend getting blown out at home to Memphis and barely beating the New York. Knicks Doc rivers met with six of his players. Quiet Leonard Third. Paul George Mantras Herrell Lou. Williams Pat Beverley and Mo- heartless and they met to watch film kind of just talk things out you know. Why are we having having? Somebody's lackluster performances low energy performances. And since then the team has had multiple players only You'll film sessions. Where where they they've got together? They've watched film. They've been honest with each other. They've held each other accountable. According to sources Colli has been a big proponent of these films sessions of setting them up he may not lead a team dinner he might not suggests you know. Let's go see a movie. Let's go to the club but he will say let's go watch it's film together you know it's not necessarily these sexiest form of team bonding. This is someone who is one of the hardest workers if not the hardest worker on the team team. According to multiple people this is someone that after each game takes an hour plus with his treatment and is really dedicated to preserving irving his body keeping himself healthy. He's introverted person. That is not a secret with Kawhi. He is quiet and reserved in in nature But at the same time you know he has become more comfortable within the locker room and as we become more comfortable he has become more vocal. So is it fair to say that this teams now in a better place. I I WANNA see the rest of this road. Trip goes before I really make a judgment on where the team is at and how they're doing. Count Me Skeptical for now. I WanNa see before I believe it because this recent stretch they've been on has been a very easy schedule. I I WANNA see them play. The Miami's the Lakers see how they fare. And then make my assessment. And finally Yvonne have the clippers and Kawais camp had any reaction to your story. So far I I don't WanNa get into too many specifics but we have had conversations within the camps of the parties involved Quite Leonard Mantras. Herrell the clippers. They agree with some of it and they disagree with part of it and kind of reading between what people agree with and disagree with. It's kind of what favors their agenda hung but we spoke with over twelve people for this everything we reported has been confirmed by a minimum of three or four people so we feel very confident that while sometimes the truth is a little ugly and people don't like like reading it or hearing it. We feel very confident that we are telling you very accurate and fair story Yvonne. Thank you so much you can read iovine Buha and Sam amick exclusive piece on some of the turmoil within the clippers at the athletic dot com. Here are some other stories. We're following at the lead. The big game is almost it could be the the pro bowl man. I bet. Lamar Jackson is so salty about having to play this game and Orlando and well. It's not you know the most compelling game to say released it has become sort of a laboratory for new. NFL rules this year. Instead of onside kicks teams will be allowed to run a play like as if it were fourth and fifteen and if they make it they get to keep the ball. and Are you ready for this wide. Receivers who were flexed. From the line of scrimmage will not be called called for a false start if they flinch or lift their foot before the snap as long as they reset for one second or keep one foot on the ground confusing at all basically the. NFL is trying to address issues that it's used during the regular season and the pro bowl is a good testing ground. Meanwhile the Galaxy acce- welcomed new signing Havi Hernandez also known as teacher Ito to the team on Thursday for his first practice. I'm going to give my best for this institution for all of have you to give you backed up confidence that you put me on. Hopefully we can. We can achieve the championship that we're looking for the thirty one year. 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Victory Lap - Unanimous Decision #143

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Victory Lap - Unanimous Decision #143

"All right welcome back to the unanimous decisions podcast. I am your host. Deep Palm follow me on twitter at D.. Palm six six fall in show on twitter at U._D.. Podfather the entire M._T._R.. Network at the Pierre Network you founder who's a subscriber sore subscribe on spotify scribe everywhere podcasts giving away for absolutely free ninety nine when you're doing that make she goes five therapies on itunes is a great way of to let me know you're listening to let our advertising listening and to make make me say funny thing do the microphone because if you leave that five survey with any words whatsoever I will read them on the air verbatim no matter how hurtful they may be to myself for my causes now before we get to deep into the news of the day I WanNa talk about little housekeeping guys is we're up for our first ever award so what's happened is Chris interest for nomination in the PODCAST DOT com awards so here's how you doing you go over you. Just take a little trip over to podcasts awards dot com go to the two categories or you're going register. It's easy to register using email address. They told us that you're going to be wiping the email addresses after the contests you'll mid span from them but registered that link go to the character corner and both the entertainment and people's choice categories and vote for us guys but a lot of time and effort of those podcasts <hes>. I know it's not sports while you're here. We'll do that in the second but the nerdy stuff requires a lot of research requires a lot of work. We do gladly put it in there but <hes> I will take the Pepsi Challenge with anyone either of those categories and they will be found wanting as the kids okay kids on say that all right so what's coming up next to the podcast glad you ass. I'm actually headed on vacation fairly soon and actually about two hours. I'll be getting on our three hour to be on an airplane getting the hell out of Atlanta for a couple of days but that'd be a lot more content contact this July special things going on with a character corner feed. We're gearing up already for podcast week and I'm very exciting to bring you all the content. You're going to be getting so anything crazy in the news APP and so the last time I talked to you guys collided. No way was going to use actual team was still win a new decide if you go to the White House a home Russell Westbrook was one hundred and we'll get to all right now. We're going to start with the big story in media for by for my money and that is the the U._S.. Women's national soccer team now. They didn't just be other teams which is very clear. There's only been eight. Women's World Cup's the U._S.. When four in in the last two consecutively this is this is a situation where our team is so much better than other teams? It's hard to really gauge the growth of the sport except for outside forces so you look at the team that other half of the final another ones they made their first international competition. I believe it was six years ago that I will cut four years go and I mean a final this year behind all world goalie and that's kind of what they were GonNa ride in the final. They decided hey we can't really compete with these girls but we can't do as muck up this game. We can't use put it on goes back and for what is working that goalie who ended up. I think taking the silver boot home. She felt she was amazing. I thought I was I was. I was like nervous at the half and I was. I was definitely like this girl is stopping everything. <hes> we saw the penalty come with the in I guess the inexplicable hybrid inside the box scores kick and then rose lavelle per se. Oh one that's good. That's a good margin soccer as you win but I was really happy to see that these girls who these young women in who were attacking so fervently rewarded Roosevelt's amazing open-field dribbling just an one dribbling goal to cap it all off they want to nil the lady Vol's went home. They look for a program like I said just made their first international debut first World Cup up they before years ago. This is a hell of an achievement. The world is not quite the U._S.. Levels that I think it's very much deeper more talented team but I think the emerged another one's the emergence of England. I think that we're seeing foreign France's good squad this year. I think we're seeing that the world's catching up if people say oh well the celebrating Zviad Bra they didn't call time out for the Dream Team. I WanNa Chuck Daly is big accomplishment says I'm not calling time out. You're going to figure it out on the floor and that's what I did. They were signing autographs. After the game they were sending people Charles Berkeley's making global joke for people who say that Americans don't act like this when they dominate something. I wonder if they can hear the misogyny in their voices. It's just one of those things that maybe it's like a soft Sheila lasagna but it's been from there. It's just been lights out because you gotta remember this is a team that was galvanized behind a manufacturer controversy not manufactured in that Bay were courting or that they generated but that somebody went into the archives dug up a quote from Megan Regina from months ago about not going to fucking White House and decided to play that right before the Games and try to somehow posit cheering for this women's national team the U._S. team as unpatriotic well. We're America. Could we like a winner and after that when those notably silent or at least marginalized which was a lot of fun for me to say that there may controversy I can't imagine playing with I played in a very small pond on in Columbus Columbia University and I I would be you guys not focus because a test. They failed repulsed the girlfriend. They've got the leader of the Free World Asterix implied calling them all sorts of names of other name tuning it them directly calling UNAMERICAN unpatriotic while they're operating in service of this great nation at a loss in the midst of a lawsuit against the governing body of U._S.. Soccer demanding more equal pay. That's that's a level of focus and determination anyone could aspired because they didn't just turn this negativity in these all outside noise into something that brought the team together it turned him in the heroes. I don't know how many of you stuck around and saw the Nike ad that ran right after the win but it Donald Bussey in the Palmer household knocking ally was one of those moments where you're like. Oh they're truly playing for something. Larger themselves re Pino Lavelle. These are heroes. These are legends now. They're going to enter the lexicon forever but I wanNA take into my cap back to the greatest member of this team and that's Ashton Harris. If you don't know who has Harris has invites you to Google her because she's been our chronicler of the celebration of which I do believe in the books here though assumes national team based on their schedule arm position to challenge both the Washington capitals and J._R.. Smith individually and the longest drunk is celebration for a team winning title jared. It's hard to be we're not GONNA lie. He where shirt all summer but when Ashton Harris starts her <hes> instagram's stories with this quote it's her telling us you're welcome for the content bitch and for that I say Ashland. Thank you very much because this constant gold concert even better as the night world on the stories on they had the parade at a New York City. Everyone comes out butte celebration Meghan the Pino their chaining Mega Pinos name Tanglin to the tune of seven-nation army. They've got the equal pay lawsuit as Confetti coming from the sky like it's one of those moments where you say this is why sports matter. It's one of the reasons as well as moments where I sit back and doing. There's pockets <unk>. Say Shit doesn't matter undermined Seinfeld free and talk about but this is fun to talk about ended matters because and I think that Megara Pino a great spokesperson for them because she's been the forefront affront she's been willing to. She was the first non black athlete to kneel on SICOM cabinet she she is at least I'm not I'm not gonNA. I don't know her so I'm not going to a claim that she is one way or the other. I will tell you now. She is holding yourself carrying off in the way of someone who truly gets who truly or at least is endeavouring to do so the intersection required in twenty nineteen the idea that your privilege allows you to fire people who are who don't have that same voice. She's doing these things that we say one out of our here's what we wanted sports stars stars and she's doing it being blatantly loudly unapologetically unabashedly gay and something that I was her outs mortgage have you can't win a championship in the history of the world without having gays on your side and I think that's right like look who's causing and that's the thing is that we're entering a place in society right now. We're hopefully there there are forces pushing for inclusion inequality representation and the force of the stand against it aren't the other side of the aisle that aren't another point of view that just fucking wrong and the more people are able to speak truth to that power <hes> the better will be for the next group of people to come through here <hes> speaking of things that are being blamed well. I can't even segue here baseball another Senator Baseball. There's I'm talking about baseball podcasts but I'll say this right now. I don't like baseball baseball's boring. I think baseball is dry. I think baseball as by and large we as Americans are off baseball the all-star game with this week. I didn't want the second of it but I did watch some of the media coming out of it because annually at the also break is when baseball kind of has to be called to account for the fact they have not developed or promoted new stars the last star that baseball really bill on themselves to market into push their players individuals more actively leaning issue the game to be in the stall plates old people while not captured imaginations of anyone under sixty five baseball will tell you that well mookie didn't say mookie. Okay didn't WanNa do anymore <unk> commercials in Twenty Nine Thousand Nine if twenty nineteen. You're only marketing ideas to put someone in a commercial that tells me all you need to know source in the League office heard Kark. Excuse me Tony Carthy executive director of the M._l._b. was critical this using the mookie Betts example the source. The office said that the let the kids play commercials one of the promotions. It'll be charged with invite involve bets in the outfielder would not participate. I asked anyone will soon as podcast as baseball fan first of all sorry. I wonder sports much but to can you name the players. Who are that campaign? This year. I can't I can't last year was my Trautmann last year. They're telling us that my truck needed. You more embarked himself. Hey your major league baseball. His job is to play baseball. He does that very well. Apparent never seen happen. I'm I'm being told he's very good at baseball. Your job is you take the stars and make them bigger make them brighter but that also gets into the danger that baseball doesn't WanNa talk about because because at the stars are so it's it's hard for people to side with the owners from the work. Stoppage comes and kind of dance around on this podcast lot's couple months but I do believe stoppages coming in baseball delivering either a striker lock over. They WANNA position it. I do believe that the M._l._b.. Wants the fans on baseball side soon as you're GonNa be no came your junior barry bonds the star ears kind of dead in baseball the money so there because of T._v. deals nothing else. You can sell live programming in the summer and revenue sharing but as far as saying Oh this guy is going to be a house Romney junior so all right. I didn't watch they'll also game. I watched the show the Homerun Derby shout to twitter fully no one it was happening in to it was fire. I watched <hes> the semi final round with Vlad Guerrero versus Josh Peterson which was amazing. I watched a rally junior who I've not seen play because he plays for the COBB. County braves had a chance yet. I'm in on him. Why are these two guys? Why aren't these guys who were featured in that competition household name Shia? What are you waiting on you waiting for what the the bubble burst on your current frontline stars? What's the holdup baseball? I want you to be good. I kinda do this kind of embarrassing and that's coming here and talk to you about this but you ever. You're telling me that it's the stars job to to be the best and to be marketable and to be marketed. Excuse me no the what do you do moby. The checks organized the took off when we're talking about your job is to build this and if you really want to build it. Let's say there's two million games in baseball season. I'm rolling. I'm rounding down every five hundred thousand games. Let's have a homerun derby because that shit was absolutely fired. Flag Bureau Zero did not win. It doesn't matter one ninety one home runs at night. He broke the single round record from Josh Allen with his twenty sixty hit twenty nine in the first round he ended up getting ninety one which is more than the total over six M._l._b.. Teams he had sixty nine <unk> around too nice and even that is more than the moral to fit all season and people are saying oh the home runs up or maybe the ball's juiced when no one who matters is saying that no one who cares about building the game is saying Eh but Justin verlander is just one hundred one on a tirade during the break as people tend to do instead of the ball is juice that the ball's a fucking joke and that it is not a coincidence that the balls fine farther the manufacturers own a major league baseball. I redirect quote if he believes that the balls intentionally just by the week yes one hundred percent. They've been using juice balls in the homerun derby forever. They know how to do it. It's not coincidence I find it really hard to believe that Major League baseball own drawings and just coincidentally the balls became juiced. He's not wrong. First of all the ball is different. They've lowered the seems which makes it a more aerodynamic ball pitcher getting different policies because they're not holding the ball this way but the ball shoveling further however more runs has not equalled increase in runs which tells you that the Inbetween Games what's missing people here to see dominant pitching or breathtaking hitting the inbetween where it's dropping off and if that's what has happened I move Andrea under. Do you want people to watch your sport. GotTa be interesting. Jack Moore was quote they rollins. You've got mad friend of you're saying it might be the way to center the they send to the pill they own the fucking company. If any other forty billion dollar company bought out four hundred million dollar company and the product changed dramatically. It's not that would happen. You're right Justin. It's almost made a business decision to increase their business chicks long bowman great pitching to so how about you got their deal to fucking gyms. We'll talk how about you to or maybe it homeowner to better work. Wimbledon is occurring Serena coaching the finals again. I mean what she's done is just amazing especially this past week you talking about the Hubbard Jar cover us as an untouchable photos. You're talking about the admission of the apology. Suck a soccer during the after the U._S.. Open interactions there are going to therapy her making a Wimbledon final after giving birth almost dying after said birth and being an open. Advocate for everything that's happened ever since the story for me so cocoa Gov like she's amazing. She's fifteen. She's fifteen years old. There shouldn't be happening. No one that ages one at Wimbledon says nine hundred ninety one. She went up there in her first round in beat one of her idol Venus Williams Williams honestly when the Serena Vive when the wing sisters movie is told that should be the last thing cocoa beating her and saying fe only out here because you inspire me because that's the American does the American dream. The Williams sisters came from Compton California taught by their dad and now they rule the tennis world Erin inspiring. The next doesn't get better than that cocoa man. I shouldn't be disappointed that a fifteen year old law autopsy. That's ridiculous ridiculous but here we are. She got her. I mentioned the qualifying rounds on June twenty fifth wildcard and then six wins later in the second Wilton she went home. She finished women for like I said it's I really in in. This is my the athlete me going like. I just hope that she's taste l._p.. Because throwing someone in that kind of fired fifteen is a lot to ask put strain of <unk> developing body missile developing skill set and I hope that she can continue obviously she has gotten here this far so she hold up. Keep going 'cause. I'm retriever cocoa for the next twenty years N._F._l.. Fans were forgotten about you. Normally where I put my raiders corner right. Tell Awesome Oakland was doing that made them stupid but because it's quiet I decided to nominate another team for Raiders Corner Texans. How about you come on down because the old saying goes if you've got four? G._M.'s actually got one right well well. That's what the Texas is going to be doing this year. They've announced plans to move forward without hiring a general manager for the twenty thousand nine season instead be giving up the responsibilities four front office members who've been named per Adam schefter probably more and probably probably a certain alleged quarterback whisperer coach Angling to not only keep his job at the consolidate power. I could see bill O'Brien. Try to do too much and be like his idol bill belichick. We'll see how that goes because Belgium's Cillizza G._M.. Guys like it was not pretend like he's doing this all himself. It's important to have smart people at the top and I'm not going to insult bill O'Brien right now. I've been to move on. I'm going to be one of the N._B._A.. Because we'll ask talk the N._B._A.. Big Question was where it will be. Why go where shock how why land I and we have the answer now? Leonard has signed two years of third year option head to the clippers he also breen with him Paul George shout out to San Press. You brought home an amazing hall for Paul George More than that that you probably get <hes> what's interesting for me is that people were looking at this through the lens of the Lakers loss and I get it. I'm one of you. I hate the Lakers I do. They're the worst thing that's ever happened a basketball however I'm Lebron James Fan and I'm going to be honest. I've had to kind of temper those thoughts recently so so i get the incident eight but if you look at these teams objectively I have a real questions who thinks actually going to be better sure. The depth on the clippers is probably a little bit stronger but we look at top line talent okay so the four players that were really talking about here are a quiet Leonard Paul George Lebron James Anthony Davis three of those four players. You're able to say has legitimate claim to the title best player on the plant the other player had double shoulder surgery in the offseason and had a dramatic and has had two consecutive. I shut exits alongside got a fellow officer and that's in poetry is going to be bad. I'M NOT SAYING NOT GONNA bounce back in the injury. I Wanna I am saying that this idea that this is some sort of slam dunk and then this is some sort of huge win for the clippers netted changes in the odds on favorite. I don't buy that look. The Watts gotTA happen. Low Basketball played my question for for anyone really is on the clippers team who's creating the offense padres works best as to which is great and quiet Leonard for all of his prodigious skills isn't the most skillful playmaker for other people that makes sense. I think he got better down the stretch Toronto but that's not his his window of his natural skills development of course news the Lakers are going to be moving to Lebron one which is generally what he's been doing. He had his most assistance career the last two year or two years ago accuse me and he had his out amazing Lashio career low. You should drake coming off of not playing international or in the summer for the first time eleven twelve years. We're going to see a healthier Lebron. We're going to see a healthier any Anthony Davis. You've got a winter was grabbing his knees during the finals and you've got a Paul doors coming off like I said double shoulder surgery who may not be ready to report to camp and I get we all WanNa tactics in the Lakers. I'm a dance away. I begrudge known for this dance away on the Lakers. I hope you're right. Historic homes look at what's going on the past put around them and it was awesome looking at perimeter defense on the clippers okay so if all these if Kawhi Baldrige exerting themselves fully on defense all the time who scoring Patrick Beverley Lou Williams who's going to be a catalyst because I know people say about the age in the health of the Braun Anthony Davis but for my money especially in today's with all the advantageous rule Schwartz helped Evans. I think it's more impactful to have someone anthony. He gave us the middle of the lane then say you're not getting past me my block Air Force once I'm Patrick perfectly. Let's also be really real about Patrick. Beverley is he's a great story and he pestered quote Unquote Kevin Durant but as Kevin ranked told you during that series I'm Kevin Durant Brandt. He got his point to God's buckets and they got the series win. Do I think interesting of course idea not an idiot but I think that this whole slammed up from the clippers thing. It's a little hard too hard to buy again. Looking objectively people said the old liquor gave up too much for Anthony Davis which I didn't agree with time but no one saying about the Paul George Trade when Paul George again double shoulder surgery I run against last year's every names on Sunday honey. He will play the full season. He drags sixty sweep of three seat. He's eating the second round. The play in the last two years has Paul George usually question the inched which is now talked about delivers here. I like Audubon building their allied with coming. I like kind of what looks like the signs are going to be for what's next in L._A.. I like the depth they put their. I think Boogie is going to be book was like eleven and six last year. That's not bad numbers of your bench or even starting. I have to start chevelle McGee. The five the question now is can choose survive at the three because if you roll Anthony Davis of the four the Braun at the one nominally at least I would say either Danny Green or avery Bradley we ought to Cancun start of the three and people say always liability defensively and that's fine again if if his defensive scheme becomes funnel things towards A._D.. You're going to be able to look a lot better offensively. I think this is going to be dynamic. I think that Lebron with his vision size magic Johnson the Lakers invented the big point garden this is going to be this is what I thought. His career ended up being. It's happening a little sooner than I thought it would but averaging Oh what twenty two thousand. Thirteen game that's definitely a he's able to do that and Kinda copes and get more than fifty five games out of them as long as it can avoid the injury again. I'm not worried about lebrons injury health. I'm not worried about Davis injury off honestly if you're talking about L._A.. Teams and injury. I'm I'm worried mostly about those two guys in Clinton land. I'll tell you about left behind the Raptors so Messiah Syria Mr M._B._A.. Africa Mr G._M.. Of the century he decided not to do a deal that was in Pascal allegedly path to the thunder for Paul George an Russell Westbrook and hey so that was the juice squeezy made a call. I respect is call and I do think he's positioned himself quite nasty with some of the expire coming off in two years to where you get a good victory victory lap out of this team with a cow lowry with Marcus all of this Yaakobi developing having his team but then you get to quarrel call the decks because in two years free agent and while Toronto's not a huge free agent destination for for the average N._B._A.. Player for overseas international guy with an overseas international history. I think Toronto's specially appealing particularly talk about massage series ties to N._B._A.. N._B._A. Africa <hes> this is kind of the open for the Open roman-catholic Lakers <unk> withing two years. It's funny because for two years we're told the clippers and all season was clippers clippers and then for forty eight hours. Everyone thought the Lakers had a shop. It was very funny. I like the way that the the news media of each zone tail there <hes> things that have happened guys. A deal isn't signed until it signed. You don't have a deal signed and there were some defections effective. Marcus Morris makes it really funny. I think the fact that it's we're talking about this through the Lens of and also he's a good player. He's not a great player but he's a good player and I think that it's interesting that we're kind of saying so what's happened. Here is just kind of break down for you. Enjoy Six Marcus Morris <hes> an entrepreneur agreed into in principle to a two year twenty million dollar deal with a player option for the second with the Spurs yesterday the the Knicks came in two years ago the Nixon they'd be back out of a deal for two years twenty million dollars Reggie Book and then Marcus Morris reconsiders options and is going to be signing with <hes> the Knicks for one one one year with a player with a team option but more money considering that the story starts with the Knicks backing out of a deal and find it insanely juniors that someone like the lettuce jared wise we tweet this said this deandre Jordan back out of his Dallas for the N._B._A.. Should suspend players once. He's the unilaterally break Rica formal agreement to silence another team without material changing circumstance it can erode confidence intersection market. One bootlicker jared the fact that there's another suitor with more money willing to pay him a material change. That's a change he said Oh the servers Linda X._y._Z. thing you that they would not Marcus Morris as fault or problem is all stems from the midst back dare agreement so we're GONNA hold the players one suspension. What do we do to the Knicks? I Know Nick Alexander saying buy sell the franchise but calm down guys. We got the more on to do that. All the reason I'm here recording on a Friday morning before getting onto an airplane as he goes in the cold of the night last night when I was just trying to relax and get ready ready for my trip woes decided to drop a bomb on last night. Russell Westbrook was traded to Houston Rockets for Chris Paul now what and in out say right now. This is a definitive agree for the rockets. I think that Mike Antonis going to quit and ten games. I think the Durham or you're saying that we've got our toll starting five Bekker's. No one's GonNa Move Chris Paul. I think that everyone knows an apology the reporting Houston that said Oh they're a real problems in Houston and no one likes each other and they need to move Chris Ball ever was told all your over blowing the Houston. People were very upset about that. Reporting looks like it was right and then Russell Westbrook can be very interesting in Houston because he can't shoot threes in Daytona offense is predicated on that and kind of the ball movement in motion will Russi be okay being the second guy to James. They played together in the past. The dynamic is going to change though so that's more interesting really mortgage interesting is what's going on with Sandra can Oklahoma City. He got some more draft picks. This guys get own the draft the next few years but it's Chris Paul because Paul is going to be there. They don't want Paul there and buying him out. What do you buy? I'm out for percentage. You can't stretch them. Because the SH- revision rule says the stretch the stretch money can only be fifteen percent of your salary cap which do the Chris Paul on negotiating for the supermax deals as head of the N._B._A. and giving himself on the Brown those initial deals he can't actually be stretched. There's a capital by its and he's not gonNA take a lesser by out because he's owed a lot of money that he negotiated very hard to get. We'll be very interesting to see how this all plays out Russell. The WESTBROOK is a rocket there basketball's in Houston. It is very exciting to see how all the land but the last thing on talk about four out of here is my favorite sports story possibly of the year but definitely the last two weeks bid aspirin is a fighter U._F._C. fighter who talks a lot and as someone who talked a lot when he fought and he wrestled. I get it but you have to back it up in on Saturday horry mouse well. He collected the vast knockout U._F._C. history because he put his hands his back. I got to tell you had the five seconds of the fight as his hands on his back there though the bell rang he faked like he was going to go. Hi Aspirin duct his head to hugh you. Here's a quick reminder to all wrestlers and M._A.. Fighters when you shoot keep your head up that will you will leverage point to turn the person if your head goes down this might happen to you. You might get need in the face if you're a wrestling fan think of Kenny Omegas v trigger except except in real life in breaking the man Straw he put asking on his back guy was unconscious wanted to more right hands for the rebel them off all later on the press conference will go on to become my favorite rapper slash fighter slash wrestler of all time when he said and I quote he was asked where those last punches necessary said Oh. They're extremely necessary. My job is hit him until the rebels me off. The Ref hadn't told me off yet. They asked him if always it luck that he dropped that knee on in Montreal says Ab salutes we not you know he took the bait now. I put my hands behind my back party. We're GONNA plug in panicky get to know but he walked right into you know I saw some criticism. You'll say the punches smart really necessary remain super necessary. Why are they necessary? What do you mean why would you not necessary because he was already knocked out at that point but it the referee hadn't put me off in my job is to hit somebody to the referee pulls me off says the laughter of the other reporters really sells it and I just I get it? You WanNa trip the fight game. You gotTa Chirp but if you Chirp you might get knocked out and you leave yourself asking what now or tweeting has been aspirin did about two hours later well that fucking yes it did for everyone who got need in the face. The rest of US really enjoyed it been well. 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Building Blocks

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Building Blocks

"What's going on everybody? I'm molly cameras and you're listening to the first take podcast when I'm hosting game night. which is often? I always go with Tyson. Any ties irs chicken snacks. They're made with all white meat chicken. They've got bold flavors like honey barbecue and Buffalo Bites. That are sure to please your entire crowd. Even if they're picky. Why settle for chips and dip when you can serve something in your guests will really love next time? You're shopping for your tailgate food. Make sure to stock your freezer with Tyson. Any ties irs. The patient shit hung on his now just trying to process kawhi Leonard wise beyond his ears preaching to his teammates. Don't be obsessed with the destination but enjoy the journey. Leonard's forty three points in the route of Cleveland help. The clippers maintain their fourth slot in the Western standing. The team is currently five and a half games back of their in town rivals. Best record in conference Max Lake. Mike love or hate Kawais message I love message. I love the way it's delivered. Look and by the way Steve Name. We just got through a whole Controversy in sports about calling players thugs and everything. So I want to be very clear that I would apply the following term to Pat Riley or Phil Jackson or any doc rivers any coach Wanna mention and several players. Also that's a gangster right there. That is a dude. Who is I think it was Chris? Long who re tweeted some fight. That was on social media recently and made some comment like you know who you should be scared of the one guy who's not in the fight it was just like middle aged guy chilling eating food while this is going on in the action movie. That would be the guy that you have to worry about. That's Leonard quite letters not worried about this commotion Ocean and you talk about load management even a but that's just smart like in the beginning of every season competitively in terms of the business of the NBA compete the competition. which is what the the players are supposed to be worried about in terms of the integrity of the game is okay everybody? Here's your team. Try The goal is to win a championship. Go within the rules. Go so if you're having a knee issue or if you're just fatigued you don't WanNa play the second of back toback because you realize you're going to have home court anyway and it's better for you to be rested. That's what you do Co.. Why Leonard is saying everyone calm down the regular season? We're going to be fine. Here's the best way to achieve the results. You want have fun trust me I'm a two-time final. MVP with two different and teams. Trust me. When I'm on the court with you all were almost unbeatable? When I'm off we're average I get it but in other words? He's the best player on. The team is leading by example Apple. Trust me calm down. Everyone this is not. There's only part of the journey. The real season begins as everyone knows in the NBA. More than fifty percent of the teams. Make it in the postseason. That's when it matters. Now contrast that with Lebron James Who's always been so wise about this in recent years taking it easy in the regular season getting his team ready for the playoffs and then taking off. The Brown is playing the way. Stephan them dig when they won seventy three games but lost bronze calves. They're acting like the regular season. The playoffs it's cool. Why who sending the right message and doing in just the right way? And he is the reason more than anything else I. It's been picking the clippers to go all the way. Since the moment he made his choice. This is an example of why first of all I get tired of people saying that about Lebron James in terms of. What's going on with the Lakers? Did it ever occur to anybody that Lebron James Anthony Davis especially Lebron James His ball and not as much as he can right now to get a cushion so you can afford to take a rest when it really really counts as opposed to take rest now did it ever occur occurred to anybody that Lebron has less secure number one. Let's go out. There wreak havoc wreck shop. Do what we gotta do get comfortable. And then we could be a cruise control patrol in March so when April rolls around. We're really fresh and we're ready to go. That could be a strategy that he's employees after all. He is one of the greatest players to have ever played an an obviously one of the most cerebral. We've ever seen so give demand some credit and let's give him credit for exercises some degree of intelligence. Now it gets to Linnet. I got got news for you Max over the last thirteen games. The the Los Angeles Clippers are seven and six seven and six now granted. You might sit up there and that might not mean anything to you. Do it means something to me. Here's white means something to me because these do get off and take no prisoners. They've got lions on their squad. They go after it. They're ready ready to go. Especially when it comes against the Lakers. But did it ever occur to anybody that the load management the absence of chemistry etc etc.. The fact did you play up the down to the competition. You show up against the Los Angeles Lakers might not show up against the Denver Nuggets. Did anybody entertained the possibility the pause ability that that could be an issue when it comes to the clippers. We like to think not. Oh We'd like to think that they're going to be okay. Because they got doc rivers and tie Lou and Sam Casella selling these boys on their bench so I get all of that the flip side to it however is that this team is not tremendously accustomed to playing together and you never the know. What kind of roadblocks could come down their path? I don't mind what Kowal and it said. He's a two time champion and two time. NBA Finals Mvp. He is qualified. He has the credentials. Choose here knows what he's talking about. I get it the flip side to it. However is this if you ought to Los Angeles Clippers and you are paying attention to how you have looked periodically? Perhaps he shouldn't be so lousy fair about it because everybody gave let it. He's speaking for himself. But when you speaking for the rest of your team Dan you. They're great. They Ju just Leonard Just Drop Forty One points and twenty nine minutes. I think it's Kevin Pelton on. ESPN DOT com those whatever. Maybe it was forty three forty one. Anyway it's over forty points in under half an hour I think it was Kevin Pelton. ESPN DOT COM. It's an insider article title. I highly suggest you by the way. ESPN plus not to do a commercial. But that's the best money you'll ever spent plus his great. I don't WanNa start doing in this right now because it sounds like you're schilling. Consumer he talks about can can the clippers trade. Their way past the Lakers. What might else might they need lead? And he highlights the fact that defensively when Kawais on the court. They're a top three defense and when he's off the court they're like barely above average as I've been saying all along Kawhi who's almost as good as anyone when it doesn't matter the most and who's better than everyone when it does is the best player in the game but that includes clued his style of leadership in this case Stephen what he he's not really staying all the things we're saying all he's literally saying is have have fun. That's the best way to achieve the goal everyone relax. I think you're playing a little tight. That's the message now could also read into it and and connected the load management and talk about the kind of veteran champion who knows how to get the entire journey. Who sees it? Who's been there before and isn't just in dealing with what's in his face and panicking? Right having an overreaction but laying back and saying well we got the crew we have the talent trust me. I will lead you there. I've done it twice as the MVP of the finals. I've done it twice. We're GONNA be fine. Relax have fun. That's the way when it matters most he he doesn't turn it on. He doesn't have as many ranks. He doesn't have as many rings as Lebron James So it remains to be seen who strategy is hard time here. They were gauged in this kind of low. Lebron has never engaged in this kind of load management but having said all of that I'll give a wildland at the benefit of the doubt. I'll give the the clippers the benefit of the doubt because they got some lions over there and their belief is from what they've told me they've got five and Patrick Beverley Lou Williams obviously Kawai and Paul George and Montrose Herald. They'll questioning whether the Lakers have won. If you are the Lakers since you've lost to them twice the time has come to stand up to the clippers and answer the challenge that much. I will admit all right Lakers. Currently I in the West. The clippers are fourth ball by the jazz in the nuggets. Maybe everybody's feeling the heat in the same town here in the pressure starting early there in La. What's going on everybody? I'm Mullah Karen rose. You're listening to the first take podcast. Everybody has taxes to we do right and they are so annoying and yet not. Everybody feels comfortable doing their own taxes. which doesn't even seem right especially when you consider all the amazing things? The same people accomplish accomplish every day of their lives. Turbo tax believes that with the right tools and encouragement. People can be good at anything yes even taxes you can do it and to help people feel more comfortable comfortable with the tax process. Turbo tax gives you personal access to experience. CPA's and eat as who are there for you even on nights and weekends and they're happy to go through the return with you line by line to double check that you've done everything right so you can be sure to get the best possible refund and feel a hundred percent confident in your taxes. Turbo tax all people people are tax. People what's going on everybody. Welcome experts come. You live from the seaport district appear seventeen brought to you by chase. How about them cowboys? After getting off to a three and a doubts one only five more games the rest of the season. Marcus spears. Can you hear me missing the Playoffs and prompting coaching change in big cowboys. New head coach coach. Mike McCarthy has said that one of the best statements made to him over and over. Is that personnel. Decisions will be we decisions in in the past owner. Jerry Jones has asserted the authority with free agent. Signings terrel Owens and Defensive End Greg Hardy on that note we welcome in Marcus. Spears appears we decisions. Maybe more like decisions. What's going on? Marcus was so what does a listen. I see you look Stephen Relaxed Maxwell big dog living. If you WANNA join a hell of a twenty twenty already man anyway to see Stephen a the the yet is great. The way you're talking about the cowboys was but we in the new year. Can I request that. We get that we don't run that anymore because it's like a New Year it hurts when I see hell no in having a great hero senior I gotTa hold onto that got me. Twenty twenty season hasn't as a starter for the Dallas Cowboys is still twenty nineteen when it comes to football your thoughts about the twenty one thousand nine hundred season twenty twenty. Don't start until September you you you might be able to make that request some Thomas September. Oh hell no it ain't going nowhere before that a molly begs banks. I only did that the show. How bitter worse? I warn warnings dance moves by Steven. He's got so many now repertoire. It's just killing the game. Max Start with you. Do you go catch Stephen A.. You so current and so we also work Milo did that. I'm sorry my let's call you digress than call me out. Do you have a problem with the cowboys power structure. Do let me say this Jerry. Jones was not an average. GM It's hard to be an average GM in the NFL. These are supposed to be the nope best in the world at at assessing football and assigning value to players and putting a roster together establishing a culture all that right. It's hard to do that the only reason he was ever. GM is because she bought the team he had a passion for football. That doesn't make him qualified to be a GM in fact we saw as his son was empowered. Her Stephen Jones combined with Jerry the two of them combined became I'd say a tick above average as a GM that is an amazing accomplishment. Considering it wasn't on the merit you just bought the team and gave your son the job that is hard to do hats off to Jones's above average GM in the NFL l.. Congratulations and I say that in all seriousness. But that's all they are. They're not great. They're above average. Maybe a tick go get a real. Gm You know. Don't don't hire hire a veteran head coach. Because he gives you a good feeling because now he's going to embrace analytics and otherwise he's been to the Super Bowl in a bygone era and then say well. He'll have input input that tells me it's the same thing. Go Out and hire unless you think it's good enough for the cowboys to have an APP. slightly above average is GM. If that's not a good enough standard for the Dallas cowboys what you're supposed to be one of the gold. Standard Franchises go higher in elite. Gm Not not not a day coach will is now going to advise on personnel decisions to it is the same old cowboys. The power structure doesn't work not to win a super bowl. Let me say this. This is the thing. That's that's that's kind of bothering me. I gotta come to Jerry Jones. Defense here I I really do in all seriousness. Look there is no doubting that we all have amunition to point to Jerry. Jones historically getting rid of Jimmy Johns. You know Jimmy Johnson. Who by the wake? Correct me if I'm wrong. Mockus on a different note. Jimmy Johnson is still not in the ring of honor for the Dallas Cowboys. Is that correct. Yes correct all fame inexcusable. The reason I'm bringing that up the reason I'm bringing that up is because I don't WanNa hear your damn congratulations for Jimmy Johnson. which was a beautiful moment? We're both 'em bill cower getting inducted into the hall of fame that was just fantastic. Television was very happy for both of them. But Jimmy Johnson should be in the hall of fame before he's in the cowboys ring of honor. That's just a travesty. Jerry Jones to meet as awful now having said all of that getting back to this issue. Here's where I will come to Jerry. Jones Defense Look we look at the Dallas cowboys from a roster perspective. There's no body denying that you had people calling them legitimate super bowl contenders I Damien. Woody had them going to the Super Bowl. It's so for me. Even though you can point from the storage perspective having a problem with Jerry Jones in recent memory I've said this before markets and I'll say it again and less someone can come to me and show me that Jerry. Every Jones literally told Jason Garrett Kelly Moore knows boys how to coach. All we know. Is that those. This guy's coach Jerry Jones Stephen Jones and those boys handled personnel decisions and from a personnel perspective. I don't think anybody can look at Jerry. Jones Jones Stephen Jones and say they did a bad job. They've clearly upgraded with the coaching position. In Mike McCarthy Mike McCarthy's happy to be out of Green Bay from the standpoint. Yeah point that Mark Murphy and ten tops voice was basically telling Amer Rogers to shut up and let them make the personnel decisions. Chances are they weren't willing to listen to McCarthy that much McCarthy will be listened to in Dallas but joint decisions will be made there has to be somebody with the final. Say we get all of that. But I'M NOT GONNA sit up there and not Jerry Jones based on the roster unless you can tell me he's telling due out to college. That's a different argument. If you ain't doing that I don't have a problem with what I've been seeing lately. So so so. Here's here's my issue. my issue is not necessarily with Jerry Jones. I agree with both of your points about the decision making process when when you talk about picking players in the NFL draft mice who is the influence even a imacs. That's always been my issue with Jerry Jones. Jerry Jones doesn't have to say a word for coaches. I just feel pressure or anybody organization. They him being owner and being ads involved creates this environment for people that may be puts them in this situation not to make decisions based off their own merit but they have to think about. What would jerry think about this if I did it? Because he's so so close to the everyday operation. I got two things one thing is. I'm a hundred percent agree as Max Power A. GM that is he's twenty four seven involved in roster personnel football decisions outside of the Jones family. And just see if if it works they have someone in the building by the way his name is will mcclay. He's the vice president of player personnel. Whose ingrained every day in football? Who coached the The Dallas desperados which was their arena league team ahead to make roster decision so he knows what it's like to actually be on the field and coaches wail? This is always always the issue. You can always find the great things to say about Jerry Jones. And what he's done for the Dallas Cowboys. There is a alone laundry lists of successes the one success and the one both a you kill me about all the time is twenty five years without sniffing the Super Bowl twenty five years. So what's been the common denominator Jerry Jones like we can go through all of these years and we can talk about well he jc gear for too long and these transpire and the way they drafted the number one common denominator between the Dallas Cowboys and a potential super bowl bid has been the perfect Jerry Jones has been the owner and GM for all those years. Let me give you let me give you an example of Jerry. Owner named named Jerry. who was involved was a media darling also but knew how to do it? The greatest of all time the late great doctor Jerry. Buss the owner of the Lakers. Who by the way in the deal? The by the Lakers part of what he put on the table is the Chrysler building like. He traded the Chrysler Building and cash to buy Lakers. This talk about gangsters this dude and he I I interviewed him once toward the end of his life and I asked him about notice. Sometimes the Lakers practice facility every now and then and I said when you're short what's that about George Steinbrenner would show up for the Yankees. When things weren't going right you had to scare them into shape and I said how do you do? What is what is he doing? He goes I just wanted to know if they needed anything from me. Do they need anything. When when when when Jerry Jones shows up it's it's the do a radio show show to hold a press conference to it's distracting? It's not stupid like Steinbrenner to intimidate Jerry Jones and do that he shows up because because he wants to be a part of it but the best thing you can do is just find out what your team needs from you and then back off and professionals do their job to that. I point Stephen. It is hard to explain to Jerry Jones because he thinks that is good. He thinks that that is helping. It's not that because it's not that he's intentionally trying to infuse himself in certain ways to make people uncomfortable about doing their job is the fact that you're around. Oh people do their jobs differently because every day in the building they have to think about guys please Jerry. I know we we continue the conversation. GotTa go I'll just ask you a quick. I just ask you a question to end this segment. Did you enjoy being a member of the Dallas cowboys. Were you happy with one hundred percent. Guess what that means. There's no excuse for losing. Is there because evidently whatever Jerry Jones is doing Dan Ball Shinbaum. Anybody else beauty students without losing good. Please let us come back from break so I can address it later. We will discuss it. I want you all know we decision. Everyone you win anyway. That's well uh-huh void where the segment. Yes Sir all goes down at UFC. Two forty-six this Saturday night Conor McGregor returns to the octagon to a face off against our next guests in the welterweight main event thirty six wins in his MMA career cowboys aronie joins us on. I take thanks for being here Winds Yeah no question going on nothing world fired up for the spite fired up to asleep. I'm sure all right. Let's get into it McGregor. He hasn't fought in twelve months. And the octagon you lost two or four by way of submission tell me what are the weaknesses. UC His fighting style. I mean the whole world wants to say that Connors Ground Games where we suspect but I think you know the twelve months. He's had obvious put a lot of time in that. Put a lot of energy into wrestling in Jujitsu. So I don't know man the guys A great striker GonNA come out there trying to knock my head off so I'm just going to try and invaded. Had kicked him and go home with victory. So you saying that. What okay you obviously strike? But that's really what his specialty is. Are you saying that you want to avoid standing up and striking exchanging with him. You'd rather have him on the ground or not. I can't tell from that answer. Yeah I mean getting on the ground will be fine but I'd rather just stay. I gotTa know I wanNA know I wanNA know can do it. Why not so? I'M GONNA go out there and I got a lot more weapons saying he does I can kick elbow knee. You know. He's got good hand so we'll see you said you want to know first of all thank you for being on the show. Secondly you said you want to know if you you can do it. Yeah I think if I remember correct thirty six years of age you've lost your last two fights there are people that are looking at you and they're wondering if this is the end for you you were you say you want to know is it. Because you're wondering whether or not this is the end or is it. Because you're wondering about how tough Conor McGregor is going going to be. What do you mean this is the end? This is my last this is it. Yeah Yes yes yes. I'm asking nowhere near the anybody nowhere near they'll beat me young guys. Why stop now right so let me understand what you're saying? Let me get back to the striking thing. You're it sounds to me like you're saying okay. Connors known for striking. I want to prove and see for myself. Who's WHO's the baddest when we're standing up so even if it's to my advantage strategically to get him on the ground to hell with that? Let's see who's better standing up and and striking is that what you're saying nailed it. You nailed it. That's it that's exactly it. I mean that's something fans like here. Is that in your best interest. This is my fight. This isn't your fight. I gotta go says I want to do so. That's what I WanNa do you now now. So that's how it might not be the best interest who get maybe it is. I feel it is so That's what I'm GONNA do Donna. Let me ask you this. Nobody has fought more than nuisance. Two thousand eleven. We had a conversation earlier in the show about. NFL players retiring early. And then I hear you say you're not slowing down at all. We know you're beating all these young guys but do you ever get concerned learned about the wear and tear on your body. With how brutal sport is I. Don't even listen ever bring into thought in my mind I'm gonNA keep doing it. I can't even I I love it too much Manzo. I'm not this isn't near the end close to the end. I'M GONNA keep running until they tell me cowboy. You're too damn old to get up and walk down and dial anymore. You've got to slow down. I've got to ask you this question in. Involves you know what your thoughts are about about conor McGregor. We saw him to make him MEDOFF. We saw him engage in an exhibition boxing. Match basically against Floyd Money Mayweather. He hasn't one in the octagon in three years. Talk to me about what your thoughts are of him at this point knowing the sport the way that you do and knowing They are actually seeing a guy that has a one in the last three years. What are your thoughts of Conor McGregor coming into this fight? Now I mean don't Vo you don't have the guy he's just been now running amok I mean. He's been training hard. He wouldn't he's very strategic man he wouldn't he wouldn't come back and taken this body who wasn't ready you know so I think the guy I time he's had hours in putting the grind down getting ready for this fight you know in the world's Fund just like you guys go in there and just taking you had like I could just walk in the cage slip a couple of punches and you just take the guy down. He don't think he's working wrestling on the ground game. So you know first of all you gotta get into the ground and and It's just like he's the easiest guy to take down so it's funny to hear you analysts and all the comments coming in and out so But he's definitely work on everything he's ready for this fight atom. I and I'm excited for Saturday. Well one of the things. I think that we anticipate that the reason we look forward to the fight is because you two are both instinctual fighters like fighters to the core and what you're saying now speaks to that. And he's the same way we expect a great fight. We're just talking about strategy. I love when a fighter's like the hell with strategy. I WanNa have a great fight. I WanNa prove something that's all. Yeah I WANNA go I WANNA go there I love and fight. That's that's what I'm here to do is his fight. Put The put the show on you. Know so I one of their mega wrestling match. You wouldn't I wouldn't be doing what I love so I'm GonNa do it. I love to do Donald. Appreciate your. You've been putting putting on a show since the WBZ days watching you a longtime. Thanks for joining us today. And we'll certainly be there on Saturday. Expect fireworks already appreciate it. Yes what then. That means. There's no excuse for losing. Is there because evidently whatever Jerry Jones is doing Dan bother you shin-bom anybody nobody else without lose. Please let us come back from break so I can address that please. And that's exactly what we're doing doing paying this off. That was so disrespectful Stephen the one that's like those clips where like doors close and someone hits someone else and then the door opens again in. The dude is standing there. They opened the door. Marcus stupid let let to to your point lead the guy come off the let me let me get off that train so I can get back out here and talk to this guy all right first of all there was. The the question was that I enjoy my time. That was the question right. The user. Yeah I enjoyed my time there and understood that played the NFL super bowls guaranteed. But there were things that transpired while I was in Dallas that I actually called out. That were not very good in in my mind in our progress of trying to win the Super Bowl or get to the point where we could win playoff games and having opportunity you play in a super bowl like everybody has a job where there are certain things they don't like or they don't have a say over and that is the issue shoe. That is what we've been talking about the cowboys forever. The fact that the owner makes decisions. Nobody else who's going Steve Day. Would you go gophers and tell him what to do if you employees. You'll shakespeare gas. I mean re- is named on your chicks. I will let him know how felt in terms of in other words. All I've done this poses. Are you try to win. Yes well are we doing what it takes to with here on my thoughts about what else take. I've done that many times Stephen as long as you've been on as long as you've been on this television you don't think anybody or any player has with the Jerry Jones and say we don't think that this is in the best interest of winning games and you can also. You could also have a dozen that you didn't do that. What I'm what I'm saying? Is this with. Let me let me be clear before I let you continue Jerry Jones. So many people complain and I'm not saying you. I'm saying us on the outside. We complain about the interference of Jerry. Jones how he has this heavy hand over the organization how he hasn't made the greatest decisions etc etc.. And I'm saying to you. Is that even though super bowls aren't guaranteed. You WanNa find yourself in a position where you're playing for an organization. You're happy to be playing for. I don't think if the Dallas cowboys were more a bun or pathetic or awful as some people have tried to hit Jerry being that Marcus Spears or many others emanating out of the Dallas cowboys franchise would have those thoughts about about the franchise. I don't believe that I believe you'll recognize that. He is a flawless that he makes mistakes but under no circumstances is he as bad as people claim hey he is particularly picking personnel and if that personnel he picks can play and on top of it all TV. What the hell is as the excuse to be so in it? Who who hires the coach? Jerry Jones. You keep glossing over that. Gets Jason Guaranteed. Call the right place we. We all knew that last year. Why did Jerry Jones take an extra year because his own ego? Because he had picked Jason Garrett why did why did he go ahead and make some so. Let me let me tell you the Jerry Jones is. I'll make it personal okay. I'll give you an example Jerry. Jones has admitted about troy. Aikman when Aikman made those goes. I'm quite sure you do things the same way in other words I I bought this shiny toy. I'm going to play with it the way I want. I remember when I was five years old. There was something called Shogun Warriors. Right Ray Dean used to shoot little yellow a UH of airplanes out his chest and his fist would fly off. When you hit a button? Well I got a Ray Dean finally for my birthday one year. You think someone came around and told me no. You're using it wrong all you gotTa do this the hell out of here. This is my. He's Jevon remax Jerry. Jones treats the cowboys like a five-year-old treats his birthday present knows no one's GonNa tell them how to play with his toy. Well guess by Matt Vander stood in it out to cavalier's going to do this year. What was your prediction of the cowboys? Coming into the season. He's a Max. Ten Wins and a playoff appearance. Marcus what was your prediction for the cowboys. Coming into the season for the cowboys. This this season w prediction. They would make the playoffs and lose. Okay get ask you a question. Did both of Y'all know that Jerry Jones was Jerry Jones and Jason Garrett Garrett before you make those predictions absolutely. I didn't pick them to win the Super Bowl Stephen talking about us now sleeping they stop in his new exactly when you made the ads and I thought the cowboys win ten games. I didn't know that they would win the division because of the Eagles. I thought they'd make the playoffs. Maybe win a playoff game. But that's about it. They did a little worse than that. Why are you talking about this? Like the conversation revolving around the cowboys hasn't been the Super Bowl. The cowboys have went to the playoffs. In this drought. They you call out every damn week during the NFL season the cowboys have been to the playoffs. A number of times within this twenty five year span Eh. We haven't a conversation about the Super Bowl. Stephen we always have the conversation about Jerry Jones and the coaches the reason why. Let me break this down now. The reason why everybody has an issue with Jerry Jones has done and nobody. Nobody we give credit to Jerry Jones for roster OSTER personnel decisions. But we also say Stephen Jones had had a big part of being someone in his ear to make those decisions regardless all of that. Did we not just watch a three week. Emotional tour for Jerry Jones to get rid of a coach that we knew couldn't win the Super Bowl. Did we not just have a conversation about that. Maximum saying he's sending came into the season with a coach. Jerry Jones literally you you as well the Stephen A.. Jerry Jones literally had a coach coach a year for the Dallas cowboys with a roster that everybody agreed with should've been arouse also they had the chance to compete to get in the playoffs and just have a chance to get in and Jerry Jones sacrifice that because he had a relationship and let me hold and let me say relationship and let me let me take it back to something you said Steven Steven about Jimmy Johnson. Jimmy Johnson made the hall of fame largely because of the work he did with the Dallas Cowboys. But for that work. He's in the football hall of fame but not the cowboys bring honor. Why is that you could soon? It's it's it's a clash of Egos Jerry. Jones is ego. Can't take the fact that even with Barry Switzer Jerry trying to say it's more him than Jimmy. Johnson that was Jimmy. Johnson's is team as soon as it stopped being Jimmy Johnson's team. No more super bowls and the point is he hasn't gotten that through his head. This hire is not Jimmy Johnson. This this hires a Guy Jerry Jones. He's going to have his way with and therefore it's going to be the same old same old. I Yes yes but without Al- All y'all bloviating there's one name I repeat this one man that goes on the National Airways and has been doing so spedding leading more than a decade telling the world just way take your time. Don't worry about that they will not let you down. It's gotTa Calm Tom. Tom Tom Again. Knowing who to coach is knowing who to defacto GM GM who also happens to be to own knowing all the infrastructure the structure that exists and makes up the Dallas cowboys. I got more expensive costs about SUPPO. I even got so. Stop Super Bowl. Champion Davey woody. The had the audacity the unmitigated goal the idiocy to go on national television and cowboys going to the Super Bowl. This is our patriots for crying. Nine out loud top Super Bowl champions as patriots best to set the cowboys this going to the Super Bowl Damien woody right. They're trying to say to us. Death Breath y'all talking like me. y'All talking like Yalta was extended a decade. Telling you that the cowboys go mess it up do that. That's what Elissa before. So why the hell. y'All talking now two years ago you know what. Hey Max Kelly. You talked about how Jason Garrett shouldn't have been brought back to Cesar was the person that was saying he should have been fired or two thousand twelve. He should have been fired. Two thousand thirteen that that would win but now pay no hold on. I didn't do that. What because you will play for them trying to tell you play four Stephen? We're now but now play forward. This is the same old same old. That's what were saying. You're trying to make it sound like something new now. They got a new coach. And it's going to be something new. We're the ones sitting here saying it's the same old which is not even makes is not for me. Is this defeats of Jerry Jones. It's not taking ownership to the fact that he is a part of the problem. You always point out Jerry Jones. Hey Jerry on the fact that you're part of the problem. Is You have to just the point where we had this conversation. Why do you keep saying Jerry Jones? Don't call the place and Jerry Jones. The reason AK do hey. Hey Hey you strong enough. Uh Hey you strong enough enough. Let me ask you market okay. You want to coach of the Dallas Cowboys Jerry Jones with Jerry Jones influence hovering over you dictate. How you recall the game? Hell if I'm worried about worried about this game. Not Looking like Jerry. Jones wants it the look and I gotta worry about him going to the media and saying some influences my jaw. Hey I did have a chance to go play Baltimore Line that I had had had a chance to go play a Baltimore who are indebted who ate a big day. No they weren't I did I was in newsome was the GM that influenced me to come to Baltimore. And I saw how it was supposed to be weighing. So I'm telling you that he you know what he did Ozzie. A horrible head of mean everyday player Personnel Ozzy. Let horrible talk and Ozzy will talk and they would conform this. You know who was never there. Steve Yeah Stephen. A you wouldn't know if you got an invite to the slumber party you would know that you first of all they had to the avengers all queued up. They're going to watch that. They had popcorn. SCAVENGER Abinger Hunt. They had all kinds of stuff lined up. And you get the invite. And you're still defending Jerry. Stephen I do. I don't do slumber. Ah Parties by the way I have my own barbecues. I don't need to be invited to see that. Never go blame. Jiri one hundred percent Eh for the cowboy woes but we keep asking coaches and players and personnel in their organization. Well you should be able to overcome this. You should be able to do it. Stephen like give me the answer in or give America to answer as to why this thing hasn't worked for your your for a quarter of a century like you like to say. Give me the reason. The One may ask comedy coach with a Straw. He did or put one in the real even from twenty five years ago. This was a lot. I gotTA keep up all right goodbye. Everyone Goodbye David. Thank you kindly. Alex Cora is out as manager at the Boston Red Sox in a statement. The team said that both they incor- mutually agreed to part ways in MLB investigation investigation. which was on the Astros bench coach as being instrumental in the twenty seventeen signs stealing scandal core was manager of the two thousand eighteen? Red Sox world series team that also prompted. MLB investigation for using video room to steal. Signs baseball levied stiff penalties against the Astros as well as one year suspensions for both manager. Aj hinch GM. Jeff Liu now both hinge and Lou now or subsequently fired by the team Steven. How do you feel that? MLB's handled this scandal. I think they've handed it exceptionally well. And that's a far cry from how I felt. Initially my initial thought was that the one year suspension offer hinch along with Lou. Now was extremely hauch. I'd have said you know the history of baseball. You know spiked balls Pine Tar and all of this other stuff off steroids amphetamines. The list goes on and on please. This is just the latest until I heard all the details later on that evening and upon learning how how extensive this had gone on extensive. This was rather Technological equipment that was installed how he meditated. It all was You so you saw actual footage of what exactly were doing two opposing teams. That's when the egregious all was really illuminated and at that particular moment moment in time I absolutely supported owner cranes decision for the Houston Astros the fireball. The manager and the general manager. Obviously we knew it was a foregone conclusion that Cora was going to be gone in Boston because he was the bench coach in Houston at that particular moment in time when they won the world series in two thousand seventeen then he was the manager in Boston. Who is enduring their own scandal right now in terms of what may or may not have happened apple phones and all that other stuff that major league baseball got involved with? You know so you knew that was going to be going now. I WanNa see whether the Dominos Fall Carlos Beltran mark to share is calling for him to be fired as manager the mets because he's who he was with the Astros before he retired after winning that world series. Obviously there are players on the Houston Astros. who were clearly complicit in this whole the scheme I wanna see what goes on with them and my last point is this maxine? You'll probably disagree with it. But I just feel the need to say this Pete. Rose is banned for life for for gambling on the sport of baseball as a manager as a player he had the greatest nickname ever charlie hustle. He was never accused of or the thought of cheating. He bought all out and he still banned from the sport. If you could do that to pete rose would not compare to gambling to this. I would say this is incredibly egregious and more. I mean more folks should be in trouble and I'm talking about the players. We got defy doubt doubt. Well listen to all of this because clearly they were. I liked the pete. Rose points anything he did after the fact does not Arista four thousand plus hits. He's the all time hit leader Charlie Charlie hustle greatest as many different positions as. He did all that stuff. I don't see how that did ask the fact Orissa's what he did on the field that to me is ridiculous accuracy. That's the problem here you can't race. What actually happened on the field and they cheated probably helped them win the world series? They most likely lose to the Yankees. The Astros in two thousand seventeen to two one games nail biters close one run games where they're stealing sides and there's no defense against the stealing signs only. They have access to the technology at Tom. They go to Yankee Stadium. The Yankees beat the brakes off them on three street game. Three Straight Games not one run games. They beat him up. The eggs were clearly superior team. Then they go back to Houston and lose two more. I thought the Yankees just can't win on the road. No they can't win on that road so so alex so I liked the way. Baseball has is reacted. And you mentioned you thought it was too harsh. I baseball actually nine hundred nineteen hundred years ago. They call it. The black SOx scandal when there was a fixing single the world series immediately they brought in Kennesaw Mountain. Land is to be the commissioner that cleaned it up although he also enforce the color line. That was a mixed bag to say the least but in terms terms of what they were addressing with the gambling they got that under control immediately etc etc.. Baseball has faced a lot of scandals. But here at least they're reacting to it swiftly with harsh punishment and it's you brought up Stephen a why is the NFL taking so long to get to the bottom of even the punishment for the Patriots right for for the cheating. If you really want to clean things up I also say this about Alex. Cora and everyone in baseball loves Alex Cora but in the steroids in the in the human or or called the PD performance. Enhancer scandal. There was a ground zero for me and that was I noticed it. Tony Larussa teams in Oakland at first guys and I don't WanNa start shouting out names now but if you go and look at the stats of players on those Oakland teams the hitters. Particular suddenly became guys. They they never were before on that Oakland team then Larussa goes to Saint Louis. Same sort of thing guys with eye popping numbers. Oh my God so now now. You have to look at Alex. Cora the bench coach on a team that cheated their way to the world series in two thousand seventeen. The manager of the team that wins the world series in two thousand eighteen both times it works man really really good teams like the Yankees and the dodgers in their way and both times. It was like when it matters most the Alex Cora teams teams just better maximum at some point in time we brought up a pete. Rose we can bring the black sox scandal we can bring up a whole bunch of stuff that has transpired in baseball throughout history and and at least compared to the agreed at all. And I'm telling you right now. I don't WanNa see just manages. Just having their heads rolled plays. We'll complicit what you banging on that trash can and that gives you an indication to avoid this slide. Orders knuckleball whatever. The case may be where you've got that kind of stuff that's going on. Excuse me the players were involved with is the punishment for them. mm-hmm that's where we need to get to net because players got screwed over kershaw crude over. You Darvish got screwed over where the morals got screwed got screwed. Ludovico the Yankees got screwed over. And on that note C.. Bath eastshore code. He echoed that sentiment saying that seventeen or eighteen felt like they got got gypped of a of a chip saying on inside the NFL and we also had marked share saying earlier and get up that Carlos Beltran should be next losing his job. Let's talk some football Zelaya's does after helping. Lsu National Championship assistant coach. Joe Brady's headed to the Carolina Panthers according to our Adam Schefter the thirty year old will be the NFL's youngest active offensive coordinator joining a new head staff. Of course that is Matt Rules Coaching Staff and we saw what he did for Bray What Brady did excuse me for borough? So what does this mean for Cam. Newton Max well if they if Cam Newton is healthy and they and you're looking at Cam Newton thinking he's going to be the quarterback this could mean a whole lot you know that offense at Lsu no one would ever be known whatever accused of being like a real progressive kind of offense until one guy shows up and then a quarterback who couldn't get a job couldn't win a job in a crowded room at another program suddenly becomes maybe has the best season ever an offense that wasn't exactly destroying everybody by putting points on the board. Does just that Stephen. I saw Cam Newton as having maybe the best passing season of his career when he got Kurt. We have not yet seen a healthy Cam Newton. Since then and now you have a guy who's capable of coaxing that performance and setting up a situation for a quarterback to thrive like that if they've decided cam is the guy this could be great for Cam. It could be great for me and I want to congratulate Joe Brady because obviously he did a great great job. LSU particularly this past season with Joe Burr we all recognize that he was high LSU and a coach Ed Odur on as the passing game coordinator and wide receivers coach. Obviously that made him a hot commodity for offensive coordinator positions. He deserves this opportunity. Ah The I'm not trying to knock it. My mind is just a different place again. He's young he's received this opportunity. And there's a plethora of African American coaches that were bypassed not just on the NFL level but the collegiate level as well and as agreed as we may find a situation to be for African American men in the Coaching Coaching Fraternity. In the National Football League it's significantly worse in the college ranks and so as a result of it we look at Joe Brady and I'm sorry I look at it from the standpoint. I'm not questioning whether he deserved it or not. I'm certainly not. I'm not maligning him in any way. I'm happy for him and his family. He deserves the opportunity. He did a hell of a job. Over to high reigning heisman Trophy winner who has set all time records as a quarterback in collegiate football but at the end of the day it's just the latest example example of what you have folks that are speaking up for you speaking on your behalf. I am pushing you to the forefront positioning you to be recognize. I just wish that I saw more of those opportunities presented itself African American men. And that's not the case there. Examples of of African American coordinators. Who should it'd be considered for promotions etc and promotions coordinator? I think Joe. Brady's a bad example to be using those Stephen. I know you're not talking about him. But when we were discussing yesterday yesterday about the power structure in college football right now and one of the reasons I think there's a hesitancy to put Lsu right there like with with Alabama and Clemson is because we'll joe boroughs gone so can they do that again and even though Brady had signed an extension at like doubled his salary there was an out in case he had an NFL opportunity. Unity and sure enough that came and that was the thing I was looking at more than lose borough anything if you lose Joe Brady. It's really hard to keep those guys when you have that kind of success do you still believe in Lsu next year and respect to Co.. But no I wouldn't like them to repeat based based on them losing Joe Brady. That's how highly I think of him. Based on the effect he seemed to have on the offense. Well the only thing the only thing that I would push back on is this maximum. Certainly not trying to use Joe Brady as an example to act like. He didn't deserve the opportunity that he has. I'm not questioning Joe Brady in any way but what I'm saying is when you sit there and say well that's a bad example. I'm sorry on. Fortunately nobody's a bad example because anything that brings attention to this issue to me is a good example because there are too many African American men that have the pound the payment and busted then tail and went through the proper proper channels and was supposed to be ideally positioned for opportunities that are not getting them even whatever it be enemy. And I'm not knocking Andy Reid by any stretch of the imagination. Because Andy Reid has has spoken up for that man. He has praised that man on numerous occasions and he's lied on him as well. But we still when we talk about Patrick Mahomes we talk about the play. Call that Andy. The read is when it's usually the job of the offensive coordinator. which is Eric the enemy? But he doesn't necessarily have that responsibility at least all. The top is continual obstacles and roadblocks to ascension when it comes to African American men any example that allows me to make that point. I'll be damned if there's a little bit of a different philosophy there. I think when a guy is so deserving of something it can dilute the point but I hear what you're saying real quick is I want to get to this. Kevin Durant story so he took to the boardroom twitter account and he answered the topic of five hardest players to buy naming Lebron Lou Williams. Paul George in Joel Embiid. He tweeted later. I'm AH forgetting James Harden I apologize so one big name not on this list the defending. MVP You have a problem with Katie. Leaving off Yana Stephen. No I did have a problem. was going to express a problem with him forgetting James Harden until. He said he corrected himself. Because my whole point is when you you talk about guarding somebody and toughest people to God if James Harden on your list. You don't know basketball because he's on garble. I would say I don't have a problem with it because with the exception of NBA. WHO'S A wide-bodied center? Too Bad Atra for K. D. everyone can shoot and you honest is not a shooter really so so the I think he's talking about the overall game just a matchup difficulty so I get it even have a quick question for you. I was at the nets game last night in. Kevin Durant isn't on the bench. Twi is that like. Why isn't he's sitting there with this team when we usually see that within Pires? WHOA WHOA WHOA? WHOA WHOA WHOA will? I don't know about last night but Kevin Durant has has been as at an awful lot of Brooklyn Nets Games off. Yeah he's united. He wasn't there that's why I didn't. That's the thing. The Games in the Games next year shot doing work. He's usually they're metro thing to the PODCASTS. Catch Weekdays Ten A._M. Eastern on E._S._P._N..

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"What's up before globe? This is Ben Gabor with the Washington Post. I am joined on the other line as always by Michael, the pod Pena who's been writing everywhere from G. Q. Two fivethirtyeight eight. Did I see a New York Times in their Michael? Is that right? Yeah that had nothing to do with basketball at all but I did get in there a couple of days ago. Well, if you guys are out there full pod diehards, you Wanna see everything Michael writes you'd Better Crack Open that big time newspaper. That's that's no joke. Michael I love it. You're everywhere we're everywhere the NBA is all over the place this week we had incredible. Block shot by Bam, we had an epic collapse or really a series of collapses by the Los. Angeles Clippers. We've got so much to dive into a western conference preview today featuring the Denver Nuggets and the Los Angeles Lakers so much to get you Michael Quick Word Upfront I want to encourage all of the open floor globe members if possible to donate to the Red Cross. Western Wildlife Relief Fund. I'm going to be doing a fundraiser on my instagram account all week if you guys want details for how you can help raise money as my my homa state of Oregon is just completely decimated by wildfires right now it's as bad as it's ever been crazy smoke over Portland and you know frankly a lot of small towns just burned to the ground. Nothing. Left they need your help. So if you can check me out on Instagram you can find the link to the. Red Cross donation page there. You can find some other ways to donate that are even easier than that whether it's pay pal. Then Mo that kind of thing check it out on my instagram. That's at Ben Dot Gulliver Alright Michael. Thanks that quick plug, upfront. Everything's kind of weighing on me here and the bubble everybody back home's having a tough time. So I had to get that off my chest. All right. Let's hop into hoops and well, there's a couple of guys who have a lot weighing on their chest in Los Angeles right now that would be doc rivers, Collide Leonard Paul George and company. They went down in epic fashion Tuesday night they had a double digit lead they wound up blowing it got down by twenty points. Late. In the fourth quarter to lose game seven triumphant Nikolay Yokich Triumphant Jamal Murray and triumphant globe of Clippers haters Michael it was lakers. It was Blazers Christmas. It was raptors Christmas. It was Mavericks Christmas. Everybody that the clippers had crossed here over the last year just got it on the action. I'm curious what was going through your mind when you're watching game seven were you surprised that the clippers? Fell to pieces. Did it make sense? Did you start to buy into the same old clippers narrative? What did you think on Tuesday night? No none of it. Really it. It doesn't make sense until you kinda stand back in you. You look at just what the problems were that you were unable to see in real time at least I was unable to see in real time because you know I looked at data person I guess with basketball and test person but like the data was just so supportive of the Los Angeles. Clippers all season long as a title contender and then that's also You know there's the fact that we just go. Leonard is able to come through time and time and time again in the postseason they had lineups that could go big. They had lineups that could go small. They had basically everything that you want. It was almost like a buffet that was like too much like there was Japanese food over here and a little bit of Mexican over here and you're Kinda like how? This isn't really a concrete meal that's kind of how the Los Angeles Clippers, where at the end of the day to me But even watching game seven like I didn't think they were legitimately going to lose until Jamal Murray hit a three a pull up the re and transition with like I wanNA say like three minutes to go maybe maybe even. Less than that that put them up like six sixteen or seventeen or something like that, and then I was like okay I think the clippers are actually going to get eliminated. that. Was the kind of shot where I imagine a room full of Nike designers all just like looking at each other and saying, okay, we've really got to bring the heat on the nuggets alternates for next year because we're going to start selling a lot of Jamal Murray Jerseys, we have breakout of like new color scheme or like new look that's really going to appeal to the masses I. This is no longer just a a denver player. This is a global player. And he's going to have a huge stage here in the western conference finals to show everybody what he can do stepped up huge late in that series. Let's stick with the clippers though because there are so many different layers to this Ryan from Toronto wanted to take a victory lap Michael and I guess a couple months ago he had done a podcast what was the worst decision since the decision and he had nominated the clippers trade for Paul. George in that conversation because they not only gave up shake Alexander and all their draft picks but because they did it and weren't even getting two seasons of Kawhi Leonard and Paula George at the time Michael Ryan remembers us saying that it was way too early to pass judgment on that trade. I think that was a fair stands for us at the time. They really needed to win the title this year had they won the title this year. That trade would have been justified, but Ryan continues to say I don't know if you've heard but the clippers just got sent home in embarrassing fashion by the Denver Nuggets and Damian Lillard to fingers given these more recent events and with next season still up in the air. Do you still believe it's too early to consider this the worst decision of the last decade. So it's a you know it's a fair moment for him to get in a little i. told you so I guess when you look back, you see how well shape laid during the playoffs Oklahoma. City he had some big time shots with them a couple of corner threes a late game moments. That were helpful. You look at Paul George I believe was like a minus twenty or minus twenty one in game seven shooting three pointers off the side of the backboard turnovers I mean really just pretty messy. I. Mean He only had one free throw attempt in game seven as well. I mean he's not really doing the like put your head down to the basket manufacturer offense approach to attend moment not able to exploit Denver's You know defensive weaknesses in hardly any ways and also on the other end, not able to lock up Jamal Marie either it just didn't go according to plan how he expected it to in year one and I think the biggest problem. I don't know if you agree with me on. This was the interpersonal chemistry on and off the court with Kawhi Leonard never really seemed like it got there and it's such an easy contrast to make. But Lebron an ad you know eating together for Taco Tuesday finishing each other's sentences goofing off the whole time in the bubble seeming like they really have a, you know a strong center quarter that Lakers roster and you could say those two guys separating themselves from their teammates at times. It did feel like that this season but with Cohen Paul George, did they ever completely get on the same? Page do they ever get completely comfortable playing together and do they have enough minutes playing together because of some of the injury issues that Paul George had along the way I, think those are fair questions that I think that's actually at the center of what went wrong for the clippers. They didn't come together when times got tough they sort of went their own direction. It was a lot of my turn turn stuff between Paul George and Kawhi Leonard, and it just didn't look right it did feel right? They didn't seem completely on the same page. Would you agree or would you push back? Michael. Yeah, I mean I. think that the chemistry issues were were blatant. There was the Christine's report after game seven about mantras heroin Paul, George kind of getting into it and earlier in the playoffs. And I mean this was there was a story in the athletic earlier this season where Mantras I forget if Mantra Sarah was on the record there or even publicly said it in a press conference just about The you remember better than I do been 'cause you were on site but like the mantras herald basically complaining about preferential treatment with superstars. it being a little different than the previous season when they're the Lakers I mean, sorry, the clippers had an identity of being an underdog and being scrappy Pat Beverley Lou Williams, mantras cerro pick and rolls. That's what they were. They came back from the Golden State Warriors down. Thirty, one points in that in that first round game and really push that team really hard and like that stuff just wasn't there in the contrast between coli and Lebron is in my opinion both fair and unfair because like what do you want? It's like the Lebron is who he is. He really values off court camaraderie values, team functions, and team getaways and dinners on the road and that sort of thing because he thinks that that impacts on court play obviously Kawai is not that same type of person and that's okay as well. He's had plenty of success being who he is and being comfortable in his own skin. but I I just like I don't know how much 'cause like we can't quantify the stuff. So I don't know how much of that was a factor I. think There's also you know the the bubble just being weird and mantras Hera looking like a shell of himself for a variety of personal reasons and guys not being in shape because of pre bubble preparation and not having home court and all these things and I understand that you can kind of apply these excuses to every single competitor. WHO's there? But I just think that it might have affected the clippers in a more intense way it was it was it was worse for them. There's no question because they had a little schism between Coen Paul George in my opinion, those guys just weren't quite on the same page and they had a bigger schism between the new guys and the old guys and the the the returning players. That's Patrick Beverley Lou Williams in Mantras Herrell and those returning players. That connective tissue was supposed to be Patrick Beverley. He was the guy who kind of brought everybody together. He was allowed US voice in the room. That was how they kind of viewed the the team chemistry thing working all the way back to last summer, and unfortunately he missed time the playoffs because of a calf injury I think that's a very overlooked and underrated piece of this. Had he been there? I think that you know they wind up. Coming together and congealing a little bit better the whole way, and then he winds up fouling out in game six ten minutes to go, which is completely inexcusable and I. think that's a major factor here too. It's like wait a minute. This is the guy we're supposed to count on what's happening with him in that position, and so then you get into a situation where the other two guys like you mentioned. Trez and Lou Williams have to leave the bubble and comebacks they never got enough. I think both Michael Malone and Doc rivers and some of the players all mentioned that the nuggets just knew they wanted to go with the basketball late they were more comfortable even though their core is younger, they are more shared experience in those kinds of big moments in part because all they do is play big games because they get down three one and then have to fight with their backs against. The, Wall for half the series, every single round, and somehow they come out on top. So they were just more prepared more focused more efficient, olive it late in those games and the clippers just sort of dazed and confused I do want to put a lot of this on Kawhi, Leonard though Michael and I know you always defend him. So I'm hoping we can get into a screaming match about it because. You know his way has proven to work right. But I also think that you have to look at his two titles and finals MVP's and say you know the Spurs way worked the raptors away work not necessarily quite Leonard's way worked because the clippers built everything around Kawhi Leonard they cater to him they let them take an hour and a half after. Every game before he's talking to the media getting all this treatment, they did the load management thing you know they they go out of their way to support his charity efforts by a million backpacks for kids in the city of La. They put them on the front of every billboard they hype them up as as a face and all that all the things that teams do. And in the most important moments that he had been load managed for that, he had been kind of prepared for in the tough moments where you know guys who are not certified, you know like Lebron, James Type players on the Denver Nuggets are pushing them really hard. He just didn't push back. He could get to the basket in game seven. He wasn't doing a lot of stuff around the paint he had zero free throw attempts in forty four minutes in a game seven with the season on the line he's not rallying the troops. He's not taking over the biggest defensive assignments and really being that lockdown guy to kind of. Take the opposition out of its offense. He was just flat bad in game seven and we came into the season at least I did saying this guy's the best player in the NBA. Got A rank him above Lebron James and a yawn as you have to show him the respect factor. After getting the, you know the the finals MVP in the title run from Toronto to me. He had a lot of late game brain farts and mistakes throughout the bubble. He never looked completely comfortable and happy. He did not display the necessary encore leadership in the moments that mattered and I pin a lot of game seven on Kawhi. Leonard All. Right. Go ahead mount your counter defense. Look. I cannot defend the game seven I. Don't think anyone who watched it can defend the game seven I would not defend the game seven. It was probably the worst game of his career since he's been an all star. As you mentioned like no free throw attempts is just wild when you think about it and kill me call this a choke I mean look yesterday I was full of fury and I did like three different podcast where I said that box score needs to be put in the choking hall of fame I still feel that way twenty, four hours. Later I mean look I and I'm not one who usually goes to that terminology and kind of goes at teams, but they just flat out folded in this series they should have won this series like three different times. That I A I agree you're up three one Europe double digits multiple times. In the second half. You have a situation where Marcus Morris decides to pick a fight with Paul millsap for absolutely no reason. Completely unnecessary. Just that Sue Marcus Morris is and live by the sword die by the sword. Right. Yes you by Luca but then what? Exactly So I mean you can pin game seven on Koa. For share I mean these these are the moments that. he's here for like Jeff. Van. Gundy said at the end of or I guess during. Game Seven. He said that you know this is where. It needs to step up this where Paul? George needs to step up. These are the superstars. This is what they do. This is why you pay the Max money and historically These are the players who carry teams to championships so like there's no other. stage. Quite like a game seven for a player like Kuwata come through and he did not I, mean. I still personally think that I would take Kawhi over any other player in the League one hundred times out of one hundred without blinking x way we're on to win games to win titles. To Win Games and to win titles 'cause I am not a prisoner of the moment like you, Ben? Okay. So you. Trust his body I mean dot comes out a game seven. He's talking about conditioning issues and guys aren't physically ready. Okay. Settling fifteen foot jumper is all the time I mean. Forty four minutes he didn't play forty four minutes hard and he might have played twenty five minutes but there's a lot of time out there. He's just jogging around with the season on the line. Look I mean. This is not like when we talk about all that first of all, I think that Doug was almost exclusively talking about mantras Harrell and his criticism of being in shape and who's not in shape and he could've been mentioning other players but I think that criticism mostly directed at at. Second like I look I. Think like this team did not have an offensive system to rely upon. So you get down to these situations and it's like it's high pick and roll with co I type pick and roll with PG PG coming office stagger screen or it's a Lou Williams mantra zero pick and roll but mantras Herrell isn't good anymore he can't finish it the basket and like what do you do? So it's like The the alternatives are just. Repetitive isolation plays with Kawhi Leonard and yeah, the Denver Nuggets are really smart defensive team. These guys have been together through the fire for years they know where to be they know how to help one another they know the schemes that they're trying to execute, and so I was forced into a bunch of tough shots. He missed a few layups that were just like inexplicable in my opinion I don't think he was like out of shape or anything like that, and I just really quickly am I saying shape? I'm just you know we've had a lot about his leg. Right, and so if that's what we can get in a second round game given what I'm concerned about is I mean look we all know how long the playoffs are right and we know how much he was lagging and kind of managing his body during last year's finals run you know in hindsight like that very easily could have been a tipping point for the raptors. Had he been just a little bit less healthy had Katie been able to come back in Stabach if Klay, Thompson hadn't got injured, there's a couple of different ways that whole thing could have could have switched. By a different light and I think that you know generally when you're dealing with injuries that are that long that nagging like it just kind of get slowly worse over time they clearly spent months and months and months trying to prepare him and his body for that moment, they had a four-month layoff to get him. Right he couldn't even get the conference finals that seems like a pretty big red flag for his career. I think the biggest criticism I have of your criticism is that coach Leonard had one bad game and now he's trash is basically. Carrying right now. All right. A look I I'm not saying he's trash by any stretch, but I do think that if you're comparing him to Lebron, you're saying, well, we he was the best player in the NBA don't we have to come back around and say, well. Maybe. That's still Lebron spot you're saying well, Yawn is is in this playoff performer he's a guy that you really can't trust in the playoffs. Some people would say I'm comparing him side by side to this version of why not the version of quiet when the two thousand, nineteen title. But like which one of those two guys do you want to build around for next season and beyond I think that's a fair question. I think we could even say that James Harden had a better any talk toffs than Kawhi Leonard let me let me okay. I'm GonNa read you the point I'm GonNa, read you the point totals of the CO I had in every game in these playoffs. Okay. Numbers and when you're. When. You're done I'm going to read you the results for game five, six and seven, which is L L L I. appreciate it it's a team game. Okay. Twenty, nine, thirty, five, thirty, six, thirty to thirty, two, thirty, three, twenty, nine, thirteen, twenty, three, thirty, thirty, six, twenty, five, fourteen in game seven that is a remarkable run, and throughout the nuggets series he's tasked with like he's chasing around Jamal Murray for a good chunk of that series and doing a pretty good job, and if you look at like a lot of our criticism right now, we're not giving credit to the Denver Nuggets who by the way we'll just so happen to. Know but just but like. If you look at like the second spectrum has the the the quality statistic and ranking near the top in in these playoffs, and in particular in the second round joe-marie Nicola Yokich hitting shots that were basically like grated as impossible routinely consistently hitting these shots and they were tough floaters contested follow as from the mid range I mean some of the defense. That both Kawai and other players on the clippers had against Marine Yokich could not have been played better. They just hit amazing shots. That's what the playoffs is about So I don't know if like at the end of the day. Yes he coined Leonard Certainly deserves criticism for how he played in game seven he if you WanNa be a unquestionably the wearer. Of the crown in the NBA in in a an era right now or I feel like that that crown is up for grabs or the bottle I. still think it's go I but it's up for grabs. It's debatable. You have to come through in a in a situation like that as the favorite your team has been was up through up. Three Games to one But I just don't I think that they were more issues here with the clippers than just coalisland reportedly and a game seven for sure there are. But I think Kawhi skates on criticism a lot because he does such a good job of keeping his head down and never saying anything and I do think it's important to Kinda. Point. Yeah. We'll definitely compared to the rest of his team absolutely but I just think if you're going to be viewed as the best player in basketball, don't you need to be one of the six best players on the court and a game seven I mean come on like I'll take Gary Harris over co Leonard in game seven I mean don't even get me started on Murray and yeah. Okay. Would you rather have Jeremy Grant? Would you have Jeremy Grant Leonard and gave seven I mean. No No. No you're right like I in two thousand eleven I mean the argument I was positing that JJ Beret was a basketball player Lebron. James I mean that's that's totally where was at in my head. So I'm with, you know I'm not going to do a top one hundred I've got Jerry grant about. I'm just saying if you're trying to parse these things and and comparing to you know Janas, his performance honest was better against the heat even though he was not good against the heat than Kawhi Leonard was late against the nuggets and I hear your point, he had a pretty good playoff run. But I also think there was It was kind of fact, checking Leonard's reputation. He built this myth last Last year that he was just like completely flawless in clutch situations he it's the Ford balance of shoddy has a couple of other big shots late in game all of a sudden he's Mr Cluj never screws up and I've been over at time and time again but the switch on dodgers's game winner that lack of a double team on Booker's game winner you know thinking twice in passing out against the Lakers in the first game of the bubble, there was a lot of moments. In this run where he just did not get it done in the clutch and that's really what we judge these players. You know we judge these players a lot. It's the same reason why we were judging Yana for fouling a Jimmy Butler or struggling to get his shots late in the fourth quarters of some games against Miami we have to in why for those things we have to correct his reputation just slightly Thank you for letting me get that off my chest I think the other big lesson and you're right to assign blame a lot of different directions that I want to find out what you have to say about talk a minute. But I think it's a great takeaway for any basketball coach out there or someone who's like raising kids playing basketball of your young basketball player. The reason why everyone delighted so much at the clippers loss and it was a painful demise but did you hear any sympathy for these guys anywhere basically not everyone was just reveling in their in their sadness and the reason is this they were all bark and no bite. It's one of the clearest examples you could ever see of team that talked and did not walk the walk right and so if you're trying to raise basketball players you're trying. To teach your team, how you play the right way how do you approach the game? The Right Way honor the sport that kind of stuff all these old man things Michael that may be people out there don't care about like they did when I was coming up. This is the team to highlight to your organization. You don't WanNa be these guys where you're just getting roasted for eight hours by the entire world after your season ends because you were talking to Damian Lillard during the for before the playoffs started because you were talking about Luca Danni in China pick fights with him. In the first round because you were talking about Nikolay Yokich and then sideswiping a you know luke by calling them both flavors and flappers you don't WanNa be those guys. You know you wanna be the guys who are kind of about your business who are calm confident but not over the top not too cocky. Not showing up your opposition by laughing and acting like Hyenas on the bench like they often did at times you know throughout this bubble run respect the sport or it's coming back to you hard and I think the clippers learned that lesson the hard way I think they deserved every bit of mocking they got. What do you think, Michael Share yeah, I mean it was funny to see. Damon CJ I guess like tipsy CJ on twitter i. thought he was going to delete some of those tweets I haven't checked to see if. Has but we're very very savage. It's beautiful internet marketing to be like, Hey. I'm so drunk off my own wine which you can buy on my website here I go. Leading off some funny tweets very, very well done by a very subtle appreciated that. Yeah and You know jared, Dudley had the the face Emoji twee and. Yeah I mean they the clippers look I think a part of this is whenever a favorite because that's would the the clippers were like all season long really I think that there weren't there wasn't like anyone who is in our business who was like you know the clippers just like aren't that good this team that has the second best offense in the fifth best defense in the second best point differential like they're not. They're. They're so fradulent like no one was saying that so. I think that a lot of people in our industry. Ben. Hope this isn't too inside baseball, but I feel like a lot of people get really upset when they're wrong about predictions and including me that's why I'm. Here I picked the clippers hallway they let me down I made a classic mistake Michael I judge them at their best day not their baseline. I always say judge a team or player not I. Don't judge them on their best day or they're were state but by that baseline and I talked myself into their ceiling all year long because when co I did have it going when he was taken over fourth quarters at certain points in the regular season, they looked phenomenal. They did look unstoppable their perimeter defenses flying around and you're thinking these guys are going. To swallow up a player, like Jamal, Murray, he's got no chance but their baseline was much shakier because of some of the circumstances that we've described and if wasn't playing at an area plus their ceiling wasn't nearly as high. So absolutely part of my frustration is for me making a violating, what am I own commandments here in terms of how we evaluate players, I can own that and I. Think you're dead right that there's a lot of other people out there who are feeling let down by their own view, their own viewpoints on the clippers. Yeah. My thing about that is like, okay this is, may I picked the rockets three years in a row so like I am completely like I'm comfortable being wrong I am used to it by now and that's that's a cool thing. So you're the Damian Lillard of predictions where like you're just going out there and shooting it with no conscience you're not even worried about what might happen is that it Exactly like predictions or whatever, and you know every once in a while you you get right you get one right where you were kind of against the grain with the masses and great about okay point taken there. But don't you agree with me a little bit that the clippers kind of also offended our sensibilities along the way right I mean just kind of the way they carried themselves how they went down the three one you know blowing the three one lead and blowing the leads and all three of those games I mean it was like let's find more ways to just sort of be. Stereotypes of ourselves right. Yeah two quick points, and then maybe we can move on from the clippers unless you WANNA keep rolling. One is they have no like baseline likable players like am I missing anyone I like I guess Lou Williams might be I would say Lou Williams is actually pretty likable. He's honest and he speaks his mind. But beyond that like there's really no traditional person that you feel great rooting for and quiet Leonard is kind of this like robot I personally I love watching him play. I'm a big fan of his but he's just very. Hard to relate to or get to know just his persona is it's a it's a cement wall Paul George is not straight up at this point. It's sad to say like because he was going through some mental health issues in the bubble that he was open about, which is a good thing but he's just not very easy to root for I would say at this point because he just continuously puts his foot in his mouth. When it comes to criticize going at Dame Lillard who's the coolest dude in the League or saying we're in the driver's seat after game six there's just not a lot of accountability with him saying after the series that this was not a championship robust season what on earth? Are you talking about? Of course? It's a championship season like. It silly. And then the other thing I just want to say about the clippers before we move on, I have a question for you about them. We one of the issue, one of the issues that I had when I would think about the clippers is a and I wrote about this G. Q. is I never throughout the entire season was able to kind of pin down identity for them be at a stylistic identity or something related to their aesthetic and I always feel like a championship team has an identity that can lean. On and so when I looked at the rockets, one of the reasons I them was I just knew that they knew who they were. They were GONNA play small they were going to switch everything they were GonNa take attendance threes they were going to isolate with heart and They were gonNA let Westbrook run the floor in transition and and get opportunities there I knew what they were. I know what the Celtics are. I know what the Toronto Raptors are I know what the Lakers are I even know what the nuggets are. I never knew what the clippers were. They obviously never knew what they were when you thought about the clippers like when they popped near head was it just like okay, this team has. and. That's great and that's what they are and they'll win because of that or did you have some kind of sense of what their identity was? So their identity was supposed to be streetlights over spotlights we over me. Squad over self. They told us that they put it on all the buses they put it on the jumbotron they put it on billboards along the highway it was going to be we are this gritty star infuse. That's full of substance that is just you know you don't WanNa play five on five on a blacktop. We beat you that's who they were not. They were not greedy although it's like in the in the final analysis, they were the exact opposite of that in the late game game five, game six, game seven, they were all bark no bite, which is exactly the opposite of we over me right and their identity was supposed to be. You know elite postseason defense arguably the best. Defense, in the League when you've got all those guys who could be interchangeable and long on offense, it was supposed to be spread the court. Liu and Trez pick and rolls and then Paul George and Kawhi Leonard. Attacking. in late in Games, it's why you know basically ball in his hands spread court and he can go wherever he wants and he's got shooters and all the corners they look so good at one point that I dubbed they're closing lineup that was small. The COMA LINEUP because it wasn't quite as good as the death lineup but it was close right. It had some shades of that but they just could not sustain in the playoffs. Ever and they did not achieve their identity and that's why I think the questions do turn to doc rivers a little bit he's had a number of playoff collapses with the clippers. He obviously pushes everybody possibly can you're not gonNA find a better internal communicator than DOC? was He good enough as a gay manager here Michael was there more that he could have done and I think the most important question Oh. Actually. I'll just A. From Nathan Edmonton, he says for the last ten years, it seems like all we've heard is about how coach rivers is a great players coach how he's able to reach them and motivate them to success at this point falling another three one collapse should he have to retire the DOC moniker should no longer be dock and just go back to being Glenn until they actually win something at this point. He says at this point doesn't it feel like a complete fluke that has celtics team even a title. So I mean Nathan's really getting his digs in but spin it this way Michael if you're Steve Bomber and you've invested everything, you could possibly invest in the clippers you've tried to turn them into an a-list organization across the board. You bought the forum right to build a new building. You Gave Doc Rivers this gigantic coaching staff with a whole bunch of people who Could be future head coaches, Sam Cassell, tie Lou The list goes on you have the most loaded front office in the League I would say edge we've upgraded your practice facility even though you're moving out of it in a couple of years and just so that it would be a little bit nicer for your team on top of that, you spent huge the deadline bringing in all these extra pieces who may or may not help just trying to give yourself a team. You know a winning edge after all of that. Are you still convinced doc is the guy who's going to get you over the hump are. You still buying into that hey, he's a championship coach because he won it with Boston or are you starting to think hey, maybe we should go a different direction. Well I think the should you go in a different direction question as a moot point because doc rivers isn't getting fired and we knew that no matter I mean they could have gotten swept in this series stuck rivers isn't going anywhere. I also just want to quickly point out the. I appreciate you me with the specific question that has. wasn't a complete fluke that the celtics ever wanted to the only Celtics title in my lifetime. Let me have it please. Look might they might stay the Celtics title frankly? You have to he'd have anything to say about of Michael South Beach. Boys. Come for you. Okay. So I think with DOC. His job this year no one really talked about it, but it was very difficult like the fact that you had to deal with Paul George napping in training camp. you had to deal with collide Leonard's load management. The fact that those two were only on the court for I, think thirty two games before the shutdown you had this really trick. I mean I kind of put it on him and then I kind of put it on the situation where going back to my identity question. Like that is on duck not really they had pet plays for sure that we're very effective and like you can't just say that they like sucked on offense or anything like that because they had the second best offense in the League. So obviously, he's doing something right? He's doing something right from the perspective that their defense was extremely good They did a great job protecting the paint one of the better teams in the League at allowing or not allowing points in the paint So principles. Were completely absent of some defensive person principles an offensive. Schemes but. You also have to kind of be like. Like Y. Look like the I had this stat at my story but the Pat Beverley and maybe maybe this is the cone coma lineup that you're referring to. But Pat Beverley hair Lou Williams Kawai and Paul George. That group. The best group that the clippers had this season that should have been there closing group that played at the end of first half's that should have been a group that you leaned on repeatedly so that these guys could develop chemistry together they ended up playing fifty six minutes during the regular season they played three minutes together in game seven. So I put that on duck, not being able to find the right lineup, not being able to work your way through some growing pains with a lineup like that that you know you're going to need that you know can create so many different problems for whoever you're playing I put that UNDOCK I at the end of the day like I think his situation was very difficult and It sounds like making an excuse forum I think he's a really great coach I think people were not necessarily criticizing Doc rivers last season when his clippers team completely. Exceeded expectations particularly in how they played against the warriors in that first round series This was just a blender, a situation for everyone involved and I. think that you know he he has to foot some of the blame and it was a really tough spot to be in as a head coach. I think they have enough extenuating circumstances where they can still believe that they can come back next year and and compete for title and win a title no doubt about it. No doubt about. Think that his relationship is so tight with the front office there Lawrence Frank I think that. Basically, every team would give him the benefit of the doubt to me. The only wildcard is bomber because we've never seen a guy as competitive and cut cutthroat about winning as bomber in this particular spot right with the kind of reserves that he has I mean, he would pay anything to anyone to get a title because it's all just pocket change to him So does he wind up having the patients? Or does he look a little bit impulsive after this? Really embarrassing and frankly the biggest disappointment of franchise history kind of blow up in his face how does he respond I just think it's something that we've got to watch I want to give a real quick thing Sa- guys like Andrew and our buddy harsh India for sending in some awesome questions about the clippers we just don't have time to get to them. but. I think you guys for for your contributions are Michael Let's shift gears here you really WanNa talk about the nuggets and so You know here comes a question from Brandon. He says Michael The pot and bubble Ben. I'm a huge fan of the show I listened to every episode and embarrassingly excited when a new one drops. Nuggets Fan I live in Denver during the mellow billips, K. Mart Aaron have continued to follow them ever since after the nuggets dominated the second half of game six enforced the title favorites to a game seven. I expected some acknowledgment on Monday show. What did I get understandably Lakers praise and exciting preview for the Heat Celtics Game One. But who needs more rockets in bucks obscene speculation who cares the rockets underachieved and I expect the same story to be true for the next five years the bucks were eliminated a week ago. How `bout we use our time to discuss the team still playing in the bubble I've heard ban right off the nuggets from the first round verbatim quotes the rocky mountain matchup. Will be a fly over series. This is a fraud off between. DENVER. In Utah after falling down only to one or the nuggets toast I know the major headlines Storyline is the clippers choke job but please please please before delving into the horrific shooting of playoff p or the lack of enthusiasm leadership of why give the nuggets some credit give Yokich and Murray credit for being tier two stars who continually showed up give grant and Harris and Craig credit for being hard nosed defenders make timely threes even millsap deserves credit for playing awful but saving the season with an amazing third quarter in game five, give them credit for believing in themselves and playing until the now Michael was this your burner account? I, commend you before we went on the air because before our last episode I, specifically pointed out to you that we should probably cover the nuggets they've been playing great their incredible story and you were just like we're not. We're not doing that screw Mike and I was like that. It's not really a very nice thing to say so I'm very I'm I'm proud of you for reading that email Djing your and letting us get into. Talking about a very good basketball team I need to acknowledge one other mistake that was actually from Jake. We got almost the exact same email verbatim from a guy named Brendan. So they're coming in from all over the Rocky Mountain time we appreciate it look in my defense we covered the bigger stories I know the nuggets fans are real touchy. There sounded a lot like Jamal Murray right now a getting enough love or not giving enough credit and I knew we were going to have this podcast today to shower them with praise if did pull it off and frankly completely ignore them if they lost to the clippers. Okay. Those are those are the rules we only have so much time, Michael? I also WanNa read just to kick off our nuggets discussion I. WanNa read a question from thaddeus. He says in a League where bigs routinely get played off the court Yokich playoff killer he was a monster last year and a pair of game seven series, and even better this year guest the clippers team that had an elite defense. He saves his best games for the end of series with a triple double in game seven, any manipulated the clippers all over the court it doesn't work without Murray he Murray played the two best perimeter defenders and saved A. Game for when it was necessary. So my question is. Is Yokich Verse Lebron the best matchup of master manipulator sense Dot Dot Dot? So Michael First of all tell me what you thought about Yokich is closing efforts everything. was supposed to be. We could say Yokich was definitely I mean easily the best player in the series especially late. Dominated everything control the control the action, what did you any any new takeaways from Yokich is closing efforts there in that series and then did the Yokich versus Lebron. Matchup. In terms of who controls the game gets you thinking back to any comparisons throughout NBA his. I mean comparing anyone to Yokich is like just a fool's errand I mean he's dislike seven foot three hundred however many pounds pillow who has is like six is back of his head side of his head he just like that over the head passing through after game seven was basically decided just like totally insane. And also one of the most disrespectful things that I've ever seen. Disrespectful but I love it. I mean, you gotta if it's there, take it. No, it's so funny because he's the only superstar who does it have an instagram but that pass he did that for the Graham that was for all the clippers haters in the entire world who was like who wanted to see kinda shoved in their face just one last time. That's what that pathway for. Yeah. So I wrote this story talking about his passing, really quick I re watched before game seven every past that he threw in that series, it was like five hundred passes about that number and I wanted to find the five best and it was basically an impossible task like he is like. Once you get to like the top fifteen or so that just make you like passes that make your jaw drop and you make you be like how M- how is this even physically possible is really difficult to get down to five and actually ended up using six because I I just could not. Get down to five it was it was it was too difficult Yokich in the series, he was the best player in the series hands down I would say there was just absolutely no answer for him when he has it going in the post when he's drawing double teams is there a better passer out of double team down low with your back to the basket in the history of basketball I don't I mean like we bring Lebron into this conversation and Lebron is probably like the rebuttal that I would I would bring up Like I just think that Yokich is really built for the geometry teachers out there right because the angles like if you're forming like an insane though with his body and the passing angle and like where the ball starts from and where he he's the High Pot news king isn't he I mean a lot of these passes he's he's passing from above his head and the ball winds up getting to a guy at his ways, and that guy can easily convert the quick layup on the cut right and I do think what you're saying you know passing on a double teams I, do he's the best I can ever remember. I can't remember someone better at that because there aren't very many players as tall as him who are as comfortable with the ball above his head I mean he moves it around a lot. He keeps you guessing and he has good hands. So he's not you know it's not like a turnover are risky type situation, and then he's passes to wide open spacey passes to places. People will be he passed to places guys don't even know they're necessarily going to go to until they realized what he's up to It's phenomenal in terms of the the match master manipulators. I'm I'm curious what you think about this What about like magic versus Isaiah in the finals in the eighties right? I mean are we going back to something like that? For the way I mean obviously completely different methods here of guys who control the game with their passing but like what else comes to mind in terms of you know this particular Yokich versus Lebron matchup yeah. No historically, very difficult question to answer I mean Magic Johnson being in the conversation is very fair I. Mean like Larry Bird and Magic Johnson maybe is the answer here I don't know it's like I'm trying to even think about just. Players that Lebron had to go up against throughout his career and there's really no one who. Took the staff were Katie matchups that he's had or even the Tim Duncan matchups. He's had those guys are having huge impacts, but it's not necessarily they're passing I right? It's either they're scoring or their gravity or their movement or their physicality are kind of like their central characteristics right. So that's why this one's a little bit different. I mean you'll get you can score for sure he's very physical. He can pound you around the pain if he needs to. But the defining characteristic is the passing part and that is pretty unique. One hundred percent and I mean we're talking about like Lebron is maybe the best player every one of the best players over his best quality is passing, which is what makes him so unique Yokich is just like officially unofficially the best passing big man of all time. So we're talking about historic players here with historic selflessness and historic vision and historic anticipation as you said of just knowing what's going to happen two seconds before it actually happens and just it's it's it's master manipulation. Yes. It's just like treating the game like chess board in a way that no one else can. Really. I hear you. It's you're going back decades to find a comparison like this because you go look at like Jason Kidd's. Finals matchups we never really saw like It was whether it was Kobe or whoever else again, it's not like that big. You know big time playmaker for his teammates. In those spots I'd love to hear any other nominations or suggestions that people have out there floor male, edgy mill, dot, com, open floor male Azema comp daddy is the best I have for you is Isaiah versus magic. I. Hope that's a good enough and and Larry versus magic makes a lot of sense to. Hey guys. What's up this Bengal Golfer with sports illustrated's open floor podcast look the stress of daily life ways on all of us whether you're an elite league or just a regular person and a podcast or like me trying to get through your day muscle pain and muscle tension is a real thing. If you're looking to beat that muscle pain checkout thera gun, the handheld percussive therapy device that releases your deepest muscle tension using a scientifically calibrated combination of depth speed and power, and now it's as quiet as an electric toothbrush. That's because the all new generation for Thera gun has a proprietary. 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My question is is Gary Harris the x factor for the nuggets I haven't checked his actual stats, but it seems like he's been back their defense has significantly improved and it's allowed them to come back in the series I against Utah and then against the clippers I think Joe's right on They benefited from the shutdown where you know the bucks decided to stop the League. For a couple of days. Gary Harris winds up getting himself back healthy late in that Utah series, and he's been a big time impact player for Denver since I think he's going play a pretty important role here in the Western Conference Finals as well Michael When you look ahead to the western conference final between the Lakers and the nuggets is Gary Harris the x factor or do you see any other X. factors out there who you want to identify? I mean Gary Harris a super fascinating because. Like. The nuggets were so bad on defense for a variety of reasons before he came back and then you know when he's on the floor. there. I don't WanNA say their elite because they still have some holes, but they're very good and he kind of organizes a lot of it and let's the domino's settle a little bit and let's everybody else kind of fall into place. So like when Gary Harris is playing lockdown defense, I don't know who is going to be trying to lockdown or who is going to be even guarding and the Lakers series. It's such a weird It's such a weird matchup for I. Guess any team because of Lebron being the point guard essentially but when he's got it going offensively when he's hitting outside shots when he's Like sprinting the floor in transition and catching outlet passes from Yokich and just being like super smart, not turning the ball over and not committing dumb fouls i. e Michael Porter's minutes then yeah. He's like a net plus in a lot of really intriguing ways and or here's a staff where you Michael, you'll appreciate this. Okay. vers defensive rating in the first round against Utah was one, hundred twenty and You know for people who aren't familiar. That's absolutely atrocious like that's real quick that for people that's like a trip to the free throw line. Like every possession, that's what that is, and in the second round against the clippers, who we would say is a better offencive team Utah Jazz right there. Defensive rating was a hundred and seven. So they went from one, hundred, twenty, two, hundred, seven from round to round. So we're can we can't give all the credit to Gary Harris for their obviously there's opponents out there who are. Either kind of like comfortable or not comfortable and everything else. But that is a massive massive swing. No he was their third leading scorer. In the second round You know obviously a ton of the offenses Yokich and Mary but shot fifty percent from the floor forty, two percent from the three point line and he gets to the free throw line a couple times a game. So I think he's he's significant for sure in the yeah and much more you WanNa talk about Gary. No, you're doing great I. Just WanNa say like this is why I thought you guys were acute story nuggets fans. Sorry. I. Don't take any team seriously that plays for an entire series with one hundred, twenty defensive writing. All right call me old school. I'd like to have it slightly better than some of the worst defense ever played in NBA history, right? So you guys tightened up in the second round you came through in the clutch absolutely, very well in game five, six and seven, and I'm GonNa give you credit for that. However, in the Western Conference Finals, I'm going to. Be a jerk still taking the Lakers in six Michael What say you the other prediction? Are you willing to bet against the Lakers for the third straight time because keep in mind Denver has looked better in these playoffs at least recently than both Houston and Portland and you pick both Houston and Portland to knock off the Lakers. So are you ready to do it for the third time? I'm just I'm just trolling you love I I I love how you're egging me on. You want me to pick the nuggets so bad voice look good business because then we could go back. I know I. Look. I think about something you said to me I forget when I was a text that you sent I think reminding me that you picked. Against The Dallas Mavericks in every single series leading up to their two thousand eleven championship Dardel not only did I pick him I confidently picked against them. Every single round it was it was just a disaster was surprised every time it went the other way. Yeah and I actually like going back and looking. You're not crazy for doing what you did. I'm probably a little more crazy in doing what I'm about to do. But I'm picking the nuggets in seven. I'M NOT GONNA go earlier than that I think that. A part of me is just kind of like the nuggets have no answer for Lebron I don't know what their answer is yet for Anthony Davis those are two pretty significant issues. I would say defensively that said. offensively like. Jamal Murray is I. Don't want to compare him to any of the you know the all time greats here but his ability to just generate offense on pull up threes on pull up to the floater. Game is immaculate The way he has chemistry with Yokich in setting screens creating confusion. It's a it's just it's it's very reminiscent of Steph curry and so many different ways and I just don't know if the Lakers have the defense of discipline to deal with someone like that. And Just. Even like Tyler about Murray. WHO's guarding Yokich like is this Dwight Howard series? Do we trust Dwight Howard like I? Just we definitely don't trust Dwight Howard, but it could be. Okay. So if you're not gonNA, be able to go small with don't think they are because I don't think Anthony Davis wants any of Nicola Yokich in the post repeatedly for four quarters that I just don't think that's going to happen Also, you have to chase this out to the three point line. It's just it's not an assignment that I think Anthony Davis wants as good as defensive player as he is Like. I a now the nuggets are just playing really great and. In five or what are you picking I'm going Nuggets and seven Oh I love it. Michael. Good work. So, here's the thing I feel like I spent the entire year cramming for the Lakers vs clippers exam right I know all the material inside out Michael I could rewrite the syllabus I was all over it every single night diligently studying for fourteen straight months and then I woke up the night before the test and it turns out I read the wrong book right and it's now it's Nuggets Lakers. I'm trying to cram the last couple of days before you and I'm sure that makes the nuggets fans lab but it's true I did not see this series coming once you really do start breaking down like you just did every matchup is awesome right and every single star in this series and I'm GonNa include Jamal. This conversation should have the ability to go off right any of these four guys should be enjoying. Major major advantages at their their specific position. Now I do think this is going to be a series where the Lakers, have to stay big for a good chunk of it. I'm not sure they mind doing that. Think they're okay with that but I also think, yeah. Yeah. But I also think that they had so much success going smaller with Davis and they're you know six, six, six eleven lineup in the second round. That they're going to be tempted to go back to that. 'cause it was pretty much the best lineup. Anybody's had so far in the playoffs. That's GONNA put a lot of strain as you mentioned on Davis a lot of pressure on Davis and you know I bet Lebron is kind of talking him up right now. Right trying to build up his confidence. A little bit. You got this no problem. You know like were much more mentally tough in the clippers where he's not as good as he looked in the second round and all that stuff I do think a ton of pressure in this series falls onto Davis his shoulders I think he's almost in the Paul George role from last series where it's like hey. This is going to be a referendum on his reputation depending on how this thing goes. I suspect it couldn't go as poorly as things did for for Paul George but I do think it's it's certainly going to be the one to circle. Here's why I picking the Lakers I think the key factor is actually the rest. The Lakers have only had to play six games over the last twenty four days. The nuggets are coming off of two seven game series. Were they've had to scramble and scrambling scramble scramble now is that GonNa show in game one where it seems like Lebron James Loves tanking game one to mess with the opponents I'm not sure maybe Denver can keep its momentum going early in the series but I do think over the course of this series I'm going to be able to. Outlast the nuggets in a way that the clippers weren't That's just my gut. Take my also just when I'm looking at playoff Lebron I still think he can take it up another notch even more than he showed against Houston I. Think he's peaking at the right time I think the match ups are very favorable for him. and. I think if he's rested and peaking and. Play version I feel like that's the deciding factor here a little bit of simplistic top down analysis for me. You know like pure faith in Lebron but you know we've seen it a lot of times and Denver they just not really quite in that mold of team that have teams that have taken down Lebron in the past. So, we'll see maybe they can out a different chapter to that. But I am really looking forward to this series after not even thinking it was possible until basically two minutes left in the fourth quarter on Tuesday night. Yeah I think the key here is like if you're Denver, just don't turn the ball over whatever. Watch what Russell Westbrook did and be like the film sessions right now and just be like we're GONNA do the exact opposite here. If we do not have a shot, we are not going to drive into the teeth of the defense and then kick the ball into Lebron's chest. That's not going to be a strategy for us. That's not who we are because if you turn the ball over against the Lakers it's all over. That's just it's that that is fuel for them, and so if they can take care of the ball they. Can Finish possessions with shots or fouls or even like dead ball turnovers just keep the game in the half court and I think they have a chance well said all right. Let's close this up with some thoughts on the Eastern Conference finals which opened with a boss Boston loss. I should say actually in game one overtime to the Miami Heat Jimmy Butler pounds through Jason, Tatum for the strong and one late in overtime Michael. Then Jason Tatum comes down and gets absolutely destroyed by a bomb out of bio block on the other end. Almost like a personal torture session for you there, we got a question from Allen Michigan whose been dying to get on the podcasts ally appreciate your passion here at Calms. Should we give Jimmy Butler enough credit now that the heater in the Eastern Conference finals he's one of the better to as shooting guards in the league and he's a closer Philadelphia has to. Be Regretting that one I, hear you on that Al I. Hear You on that. Let's just you know. Let's just make the poor sixers. Fans feel even more pain Michael. What were your thoughts on the end of Game One? I? mean we got an incredible Marcus smart shooting performance that I'm sure Boston sad that they let go to waste. You got an incredible. Marcus smart flock, which is outraged. Basically everyone in the gym. And around up, not being the winning play but it was was awful close there and then you got the sensational block shot from Bam who I know you profiled earlier this year in some detail, he winds up swatting and breaking the heart of your favorite player. Can you just run down your emotional roller coaster there you know late in that game one? and Are you concerned about Boston's late-game execution on offense tatum misses his last seven shots Michael, and Kempston a lot of pounding and dribbling in isolation and not really get much out of it. What, what do you think? Yeah. My reaction was that if that was any other game in the series, A. Probably would have called in sick for this podcast for the rest of my life are was. Actually told you don't pretend to be sick. In the aftermath of that of that of that block because I could feel. Your heart and soul being swatted by Bam to yeah, you sent me a lot of texts that night I appreciate every single one of them I you know the fact that it was game one really is a calming factor in all of this I think that the Celtics. I don't WanNA say they dominated the game because they didn't dominate but they were in control I feel like for most of it, they were fourteen point lead in the my how'd they lose this one? I mean like really what they should have one game one I. Mean Looking back and saying Marcus smart was on fire. They looked really smooth early in that game like you're saying they built the it felt like they had control really from the opening tip what the heck happened. Honestly. I mean. I'm not getting too worried about the offense I think there were certainly some issues in the last three or so minutes in particular like I'm not going to criticize tatum really mania that airball obviously, you don't WanNa shoot an air ball with three minutes left and a one possession game. But I think the possessions that were more worrisome just like how Campbell looked in isolation situations against say Jay crowder or tyler hero like these are players who he absolutely needs to turn the corner on and get to the basket and draw foul or draw help and put Miami and rotation or whatever create space for himself, which he did a couple times down the stretch but. Like that play with. I WANNA like thirty seconds to go where he has crowder isolated on the right wing can't shake him with the hesitation and then gets the shot blocked and it's a shot clock violation. That is completely inexcusable and not like anything that I've seen from the Celtics in a a late game spot in any type of spot that type of fence just can't happen and I don't think it will going forward my other my I think my bigger issue is just defensively. So in my opinion, the biggest play of the game was celtics up five after Kemba hits a step back from the left elbow over I think Jimmy Butler on a switch and Celtics up five minute left and they come down Kemba Walker has guarding tyler hero. There's a little screen action at the top of the key and he thinks that Marcus smart is switching and markets like no. I'm just staying with my dude because this wasn't even a hard screen and Kemba is just like it's one of those rare miss communications that the celtics rarely ever make chemical just leave styler hero for no reason tyler hero who is twenty years old but his actually Mike Miller like in his prime, you cannot leave that dude open I don't care what the situation is. He's deadly he knocks down the three. It's a two point game. I. Thought that that possession was everything right there when I was watching the game live. I was like that is the type of mistake that will really come back to haunt you i. just think there's mistakes like that can get cleaned up and then I mean you gotTa give credit always to the opposition and Jimmy Butler. Had to like the the corner three to go up one which incredible I. Mean. You can say that it's a wide open corner three I. Don't I think that the stakes there were a little bit more than a wide open corner three and then the finish and won. Over tatum, which if you watch the replay, it's just physically impossible I still have no idea how he put up on the basket tatum played great defense there. So gotta give credit where it's due and then obviously at the end of the game. Bam, who might be my fate Mike Mike, my two favorite non Celtics in the whole league. I think are Jimmy Butler and Bama Bio. So for Bam to make that play at my heart was melting inside my chest I. Really did not want to see that happen but if anyone's going to make a play like that I, both expect Bam to be the one who does it and I'm happy for him for making it happen it's An unbelievable play and I thought tatum was was going to catch him for sure because he came around that needs to so hard and what have I been telling you I just wanted him to go to the basket a little bit more late in games shaken up don't settle for those Kobe Jumpers don't always settle for this step bag three. We know he can hit that shot. He was shooting awesome. I mean tatum had a great game one. Before he was a little bit cold there. Late I mean an incredible all around performance from him. Both ways as always offense and defense. Are we recording recording right now. Did you just so we'll have this as proof of you saying that's that sentence however late in the game the one time he goes to the basket I mean I'm wearing this is going to be negative reinforcement for him. Michael because the one time he goes to the basket hard like I want to see from him he winds up being on the wrong side of just a historic block shop by Bam I mean even Magic Johnson was getting it on the action overreacting on twitter about it. So I. Hope he takes a right lesson from that, which is look I mean there was like a ninety percent chance in that situation probably ninety five percent chance against most bigs he's either getting the dunk getting fouled or both Bam just executed it absolutely perfectly and I want to see more that from tatum because I am worried about Kemp is ability to get the right type of shots. Late in games I, don't really trust him. With the game on the line in the spots at personally I. Don't I do trust hate him to make good decisions into be efficient in and to not turn the ball over. But I also want to sieges better shots election, and I'm going to the hoop a little bit more than he has been rather than just sitting on the perimeter and I also think they're getting a little stagnant like let's let's get a little bit more motion. In these late game situations and they'll probably be okay just a gutsy win by the Miami Heat? Though and I think for anyone who's been writing they're trained like we hear from all these nuggets fans and I know there's a lot of heat fans out there to like that game was like peak. MIAMI. Heat right. I mean it was the best moment they've had since Lebron left so certainly you know hats off to them as well like you said, give credit to them you know both ways late there's a lot of really big smart execution and what I love about the Eastern Conference finals. It's just not a lot not a lot of mistakes either way you know both teams played really hard released, smart, feeling confident and in good rhythm and it should make for just an awesome awesome series. We're going to close up Michael With a little exercise for you as a writer. Okay. We got a great email from Dori in Bellingham. She's a big time open floor glow member always appreciate hearing from her. She says I want you to use one word to describe the following. The Eastern Conference Finals Western Conference. Finals the Nuggets playoff performance the overall NBA. And then Boston losing game one in overtime an parentheses she even added. Sorry Michael. So she's just trying to dig at you. Michael I kinda love this but give me your one word for the Eastern. conference. Finals. Pleasure. Mine is attrition. That's that's where I'm going. So we're obviously on. Different sides of that although I guess for some people I guess we're so people might go attrition is pleasure if you think about it All right. Western Conference finals. speechless. Zone link I think just because I did not see this coming whatsoever. Just you know it's a complete. Zilog. For Me the Nuggets playoff performance where do you go? Sublime Cardiac I. Thank you. Know images big it themselves into these moments where you know your chest is thumping i. mean they did it night after night after night and they love it they thrive off of it. All right. The overall NBA bubble execution. I said perfection wine. I wanted just like the first word the popped into my head was like their execution has been like perfect I mean like there hasn't been any Any issue that the NBA has caused the NBA has not been able to. Deal with in getting this off, which is it's remarkable. Honestly I mean, we didn't expect supposed only give one word, but I wanted to explain this one We didn't expect at least I. Think I think I can speak for you because before hand this is the conversation that you and I kept having back and forth. We thought that Corona virus would have been a much bigger issue inside the bubble thousand. It has not been at all so. No. They. Nailed. I mean I was going to go with something boring leadership because they showed awesome leadership but I actually think I'm gonNA use the word groundhog because ultimately they did such a good job with the coronavirus stuff and the thing held up and we've been here so long that we're just in the spot now we're just A day is the same right as Groundhog Day groundhog. Day groundhog day. This thing is really long. I. Could use marathon another one word I'm GONNA use groundhog. That's what I'm going to probably take away from this experience more than anything else. It's just the the daily routines at the thunderstorms and the little walks and you know there's bolster their Stevens getting their walk on I mean it's just you know who's got. Who's got the ability to just kind of grind this thing out day after day one what is your word? For? Boston losing game one in overtime Michael? Optimism. Wow, wow should I use perfection for this one? What do you can already is perfection you can't do them. So okay the the word I'm going to use his do Rita and that is the red lobster that's a huge chain up there in your neck of the words Michael Red Lobster has unleashed amount do margarita that's bright green. I think that is officially replaced Green Beer as my go-to slogan for the Celtics playoff run. If you're gonNA, have you know official drink during the Eastern Conference finals to celebrate Michael Make sure it's a do Rita from red lobster and I'm definitely not being paid for this. I just think it's the funniest thing I've ever heard of and I'm probably going to have to order myself a virgin do Rita. At some point what do you think? You know I've never been to red lobster in my entire life. Yeah. You know you you nor new Englanders love to pretend that come on guys love red lobster. That's your favorite restaurant. Isn't it? I swear to God. I've never never been to red lobster and I've never smoked a cigarette. Those are my two claims to fame that honestly neither one of those things surprises me but you'd better get on beyonce's been telling everyone about red lobster for years Michael Paying attention. All right. On that note, we've reached the end of another episode of open floor. Dorey thanks so much for that question that got us talking there at the end I appreciate it guys. If you'd like to please go to apple podcasts and search for open floor that's two words when you find our scroll down it will. Say Rate and review tap five stars is just as easy to help us spread the word about the podcast you're in these playoffs Michael is on Instagram and twitter at Michael V. as in Victor Pena, he's been cranking out amazing stories day after day after day the consistency is spectacular from you Michael. I. Love It. I've been enjoying everywhere guys be sure to check all those out I'm on Instagram at Ben. Oliver on twitter at Ben Gulliver as I mentioned, please check checkout my instagram page. For ways you can donate to the Oregon wildfires. Any support you can give would be so much appreciated. Also, got my Washington Post newsletter coming out every single week. Be Sure to subscribe to that on my twitter page and don't forget about bubble ball. My book has hit Amazon. The preorder is up it's coming out sometime next year Michael they can get in early and support the cause as well. 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I got a little baseball all mama. And I just want to get this out of the way. I'm just emotional right now. I'm just emotional. So I just wanted to get this out of my way at home. My boy, Jeff my man Jeff Brown in LA is listening to me listening to me good. I just got this on my mind right now. I gotta get this off my chest. Baseballs in a world trouble. Greece ball. Is it a world of trouble? I'm not going to sugar coat. Listen, if we got to watch him, if we add to watch Tim coach it all day. It wouldn't be in any trouble. Because my God, he's wonderful and bust. Onis? Wonderful, and Jeff passan is wonderful. All these guys what they tell you something right now. I ready for what I'm about to say baseball is a faceless sport. I'm gonna say it again baseball is a faceless sport. Ladies and gentlemen, might try to start. We all notice we all know, he's big time love, Mike, love them. To death might trout is the Kremlin LA creme. He's the best player in baseball. We all know what he brings to the table. Okay. Night trust to eighty four batting average is his lowest since two thousand fourteen. Because there's two thousand fourteen is better than the minimum of two ninety nine. There was just a small sample because the season is still long. It ain't finished till the end of September and October, and I get all of that. But he just got paid four hundred twenty six million dollars. And you want this while we looking at have y'all seen Bryce Harper's numbers Bryce Harper who started off gang like a gang BUSTER, the guys on the thirteen year three hundred thirty million dollar deal before my trial got his deal on sorry. By my Bryce, hop is back to thirty one. Before him many Machado science for three hundred million dollars in San Diego. He's brand to thirty four. Gentlemen, when you got guys get paid those amount of dollars and the production is a commiserate with it. And then you top that off with the fact that as a sport major league baseball you've got to speed up the game. You got a debt tomato times you gotta figure out something to ingratiate yourself with the younger demographic. So in a sport doesn't die off. Think about this. You got these guys the big names out there that ain't necessarily produce it to the level that you were like, and none of them as individuals on necessarily marketable to mainstream Madison Avenue. What core demographic are they attracted are they attracting? Eighteen to thirty four the twenty five to forty dollars. Who are they attracting who do you have that is a marketable commodity? I'm not talking about just their game. Because you've got to have a personality to go with it. And some of it has to be controversial some of it has to be skipped elating, whatever. Whatever words you wanna use whatever adjective works for you. That's what you gotta have baseball. Baseball is an habit. Herbert. And even though they're making money hand over foot because of the television deals. From an optics perspective. When you look at a baseball stadium when you watch sports in it, you see these highlights and you see a by somebody smack a home run straight to less than our rights in a field. And you see five people in the stands. How do you think that looks? Baseball's in trouble. Baseball is in trouble. I just want to let you know right now. And rob Manfred and major league baseball anything that Stephen a Smith can do to help you please let me know. Because I got love for y'all. And I'm not trying to denigrate the sport is what my daddy grew up loving and taught me trust me. Now, I'm not denigrating the sport. And then he starts imagine. If I got one thing that I could eliminate from baseball. It would be attention a walks. You get paid for reason. You don't get to intentionally walk. Anybody man up if you picture, and you get paid seven figures, I'm sorry. I don't give a damn if this Bryce Harper Stephen a Smith at the plate strike me out. Get me out, no intention walks. And let's not take three minutes to throw a pitch. Let's put a clock on that bad. Boy, this do what we gotta do. But I'm telling y'all it's just something that needs to be said I had to get it off my chest. I'm just looking at these big numbers. And I'm saying oh my God. Four hundred plus million for Mike trout, three hundred plus million for both Machado and Bryce Harper. And you see in the averages particularly with Harper and Machado. And there's nobody to really market the sport for you laser, gentlemen. This is bad. You can slice. It any way you want to. I'm telling you right now. It is not good. It is not good at all. It is not good for the sport. It's bad. And the reason why bring that up is because juxtaposed that to the NBA baseball baseball is far concern is dying a slow death before I very odd. The NBA is thriving the NBA is driving. We're talking about three games sevens. And the once series that's over. I'm potential at three games. Every you're already locked into. I'm assuming there will be one after tonight with in Houston, but the one series that's been locked up. You still got storylines breathing out of that pick your poison the Greek freak him walking the Greek freak is taken over. He's taken over the Greek freak yellow center. Compo- this brothers on another level move walkie, the small market that is Milwaukee. You are excited about basketball there and obey the way Greek freak his his skill set. His to nasty his fire. The fact that he ain't trying to be friends with opponent at all. It's like a breath of fresh air. You even thinking about the cargo wanna top three top four more because the United States of America. You're not even thinking about that. When it comes to basketball, even when we talk about the lottery and a potential of Zion. Williamson being a number one overall pick for somebody, you know, by talking about the cargo they talking about New York, they talk about Cleveland because that's where the broad used to be and some for some reason people bring up zion's name when it comes to LeBron think about Chicago. And that's not to say it can end up getting a number one overall big. But nobody's thinking about Chicago. Nobody. So I'm just saying y'all I'll look at the NBA right now. And then of course, we gotta take those storylines out of Boston. Marcus, smart, speaking on behalf of car we yesterday wondering what car we is going to do whether or not Boston wants to keep him whether or not they will be able to keep him because he's a free agent. All of this other stuff is going on. But with all of that being said still in all as we sit here, and we look at things the NBA is thriving. We cannot say the same about major league baseball, Bryce Hopper's, Los Angeles. Angels of Anaheim are seventeen and twenty and in fourth place in the American League. West Philadelphia is a first place in a National League east. But Bryce offered it hasn't looked great lately. And then you got the San Diego Padres, therefore games over five hundred just a game out. But in third place in NFL west, but we really caring. No. So I just wanted to throw that out the door that out there, the they'd say ESPN inundate seven to nine three seven seven six the other thing I wanted to get into back into these NBA playoffs. Now that I got all of that off my chest. Ladies and gentlemen. I sit here before you in Houston, Texas, just a couple of miles away from the toes center site of tonight's game six Western Conference semifinals Houston Rockets versus the Golden State Warriors. I sit here before you at this moment. Ladies gentlemen to inform. You of fat that is undeniable. This is a legacy moment for James harden and C P three. I personally am a bit compromised here because I'm always going to be alive. Trying to be objective in my analysis in my valuation. I call it like, I see it and let the chips for where they may. But I'll openly confess to you that I'm a bit emotional when it comes to this particular situation. On one hand. I got a lot of love and respect for the Golden State Warriors. The owners of Peter Guber, Joe lak-, love them. Bob Myers is one of my favorite people. He's the GM. Steve Kerr is one of the classiest individuals this game has ever seen. He's a good man and a hell of a coach. And I love the place. Steph is the greatest shooter I've ever seen and I thank him for revitalizing the game of basketball in such a way that he's got and kids away from trying to Dunkel a damn time and not a off shoot shooting is involved more than ever before. I think Klay Thompson is one of the more underappreciated stars in the game. I know he hasn't looked that way a few games in this series. And I understand that. But I'm talking about as a shooter laser gentleman. I think Klay towns one of the top five shooters in the history of basketball. He's just that gifted and he's under appreciated flagrantly. So. Draymond green. If I could have a brother in the NBA, it would be him. I love this me. I love is too nasty. I love his honesty is candor. I don't like is emotions all the top. But at least they're real in authentic and ain't fake. I love dream on love dreamer. I say all of that to say, I don't root against the Golden State Warriors. I'm thankful for what they meant to the game of basketball over the last few years. They've been box office. Just like I love LeBron with seep do way and Chris box. And of course, I'm a turtleneck grateful for the time. They gave me those four years or south beach. It was just a beautiful moment in my life. We'll get out say, but having said all of that. I got a lot of love for James harden to. And this is truly truly wanted to great talents. This game has ever seen one of the greatest one on one play as we've ever seen one of the greatest one one offense of juggernauts this game has ever seen. I think that he is somebody. I'm starving for him to get his just do his just recognition. And C P three regardless of his temperament from Tom, Tom. He's a man. He's a good good do of family guy, a great player in his heyday all of these things and a testament to greatness to beat that miniature guard and just a class individual very big into family, very intelligent, very accomplished, very philanthropic in a lot of different ways. I would know what what he's done in the city of Winston Salem for my university and various other players start at Wake Forest. Chris Paul something special as a person not just the basketball player. But I bring up to say to you that don't mean a damn thing right now the basketball fans, what me something a basketball fans is that James harden, and Chris Chris Paul CPA three step up and handle their business. This is their moment. And if they blow this. Laser gentleman. I ain't gonna lie. I don't know if their reputations will ever recover if they lose this series to go to state now that Kevin Durant has gone down. Now. Kevin durant? Shockingly, the me, and I wanna stay for the record. They've labeled it a calf injuries a calf strain. And I totally understand it. And if that is true, I'm thankful. I personally think somebody lied to me because when I saw Kevin Durant grabbed his leg he looked right at his achilles. And every achilles injury. I seen has gone like that where gosh that back and looks back at somebody thinking somebody kicked them. That's how Kevin Durant initially actually was I still find it hard to believe is just a calf strain. I still believe in the back of my mind that somehow someway in a week or two from now I'm going to hear that. Kevin durant? It was really is a Killys and he's out. That's what I personally believe. And as as an aside jumping off the subject of this game for a second. Let me say this if Kevin Durant. We would Alern that. Kevin Durant had to sit out the entire damn season. I was still give him the maxed you. If I knew that. Kevin durant? Could it play the entire twenty nine thousand nine hundred twenty twenty season next year? I would still give him the max. He's great. He's dead. Great. I would give him the max and wait for him to come back a year after and I wouldn't blink. I would pale. I'd guarantee every penny. And I'd say see you in eighteen months. He's great. That's how I am about. Kevin durant? Can we been hearing a lot of stuff about him leaving Golden State and going to New York? It's true laser gentlemen. From everything that I've heard is about a ninety five percent possibility him in kyri going to New York City. One hundred percent. Because if you know anything about Kevin Durant temperament eight hundred percent, but it's pretty does pretty close done. And I wanna hear about Carvey standing boss east and Boston stopped at nonsense. He's out. He's saying to Boston. You might be you might see people trying to get him in Brooklyn. But I'll tell you right now. The only reason car we should go to Brooklyn is if he goes K D or somebody if you're going alone, he should take his behind right to New York and the garden. Because the Brooklyn Estefan without him. Having said all that giving back to this game. I'm gonna say it again. This is a legacy moment for James harden and see Petri. Here's why laser gentleman. What have we been here from you stone ins from rockets fans everywhere over the last year or she three would if CPT didn't go down and gain five, you know, groin injury. May please come on your day to want to Chit because I believe they would have beat Cleveland. They probably would have be Cleveland the way they were rolling last year. And when you combine that with the fact. That again, we have a situation where CPR three was hurt. Y'all go down. Well, now we fast forward to this year C P threes. Healthy James harden? His bowling. PJ tuchus balling. There's no Trevor reason there who I believe is missed but click appellate still there. Austin rivers come off the bench. Does some good things? Eric Gordon is really stepped up his game. What possible excuse to you have? Kevin Durant is not that Golden State Warriors older Andre dollars older. He's not the same Shaun Livingston as older he's not the same. Andrew bogut is older and just came up from down under. He's only good to go against opposing big. He ain't good for a series. Like this boogie cousins got the achilles injury. He he can't play. What are you? Have you have Klay Thompson, Draymond green? Steph curry Andre dollar and who kevon looney. This kid out McKinney. That's all you got. You can't beat that team. If you're the Houston Rockets that you're supposed to be unacceptable unacceptable, and I'm gonna tell you something right now, everybody's getting on James harden because James audit only took one shot in the last ten minutes of that game five, you know, who I blame. I blame CPA three you ought to general, your general, sure. Sure. You win the south. You on the show James horrid is getting blitz by Steve Kerr because Steve Kerr says load up on them double triple get the ball out of his hands. And then there is do they were staying Clint Capello whose notes right on a permanent? So you trap him and attack him thirty feet away from the basket. He's got to get the ball out of his hands and the person nearest to click appello. What is he supposed to do? He got the ball. Click appello. Why don't you have the ball in your hand CPA three? Why not running the show? Why are you not making sure that click appel is out of the game? Always in the game. But standing in a damn corner on a blocks that every Gordon does on one wing. Austin rivers is on another PJ Tucker's in a corner, the right or the left because he could hit from either spot and you take control. See everybody's looking to see P three. And they say, well he was over six point range in game five that's not what I'm looking at. I'm looking at a CPA three that is a floor general extraordinaire, even though for the time is catching up to him a little bit more than it was last year. And I'm saying I'm sorry P three I expect more from you get the damn ball and run the show and make sure you position James harden to do something that my dad Tony might be equipped to do for. We know. That's judge job. Sleepy. Three get paid thirty five point six million dollars. I'm gonna say it again, see three get paid thirty five point six million dollars CB three's the highest paid player on it. Here's the rockets this year that ain't James harden. He's at thirty. Sepia threes, the one that just saw for four years one hundred sixty million dollars. I three games of this series people's looking at P three ready ready to do Santorum because he wants you to damn ball enough you shoot forty seven percent from the field. How come you ain't shooting more? You shoot. Thirty eight percent fifty point range over the first two. How come you should the ball more? What's with the usage rate? Was it die down any about that talk about you? You say three figure it out. Enough of this James audited. Of course, changed heart and does not get a pass. Of course, you've got to hold them accountable to something. We of course, James harden has to do what he needs to do. Nobody's denying that. But just as important as C P three. This is your moment laser generous, Mississippi three's going to hall of fame as one of the great point guards. This game has ever seen. Do you know he's never played it in NBA finals ever ever. Now, we understand it. Because when you were in New Orleans, you had to deal with Kobe and the Lakers when you were with the clippers even though y'all blue their game six that you had to lead over Houston before going to the conference fire before you lose in the Western Conference semifinals and Houston went to the conference finals against to go to State Warriors, which started the Golden State Warriors run at a time when the clippers with their biggest rival because the way y'all heatedly go at one another even though you blew that opportunity for the most part and other sisters, you just want to Nuff as a team, we got debt. There's no excuse now. There's no excuse now. See pre three has to step it up. He has to remind us of his greatness over these next two games because in the Golden State Warriors in Lucy. Kevin durant? They lost a leading scorer in the entire players averaging thirty four point to a game. Golden State can do a lot of things they can move the ball better. They can spread the flow better. They could elevate their pacing. They can do all of those different things. They could shoot a basketball better. They ain't gonna make up for Kevin Durant. This is the rockets change. And if you don't get it done. Oh my God. I don't even want to think about what people say about harder to P three if they don't get it done after this. But when I look at Harvard, okay, come to me when he's missing shots. Don't come to me and blame him for having to get the ball out of his hands. 'cause he's double a triple team and nobody else's handling their responsibilities that C P three's job. That's your job aid to school is to run the show. And put people in the best position to win that CPI threes job. And we will be watching it at ain't say ESPN. It's inundate seven to nine three seven seven six that was straight talk wireless, everything for less only at WalMart. We'll get to your calls in a minute at eighty eight say ESPN is triple eight seven to nine three seven seven six. I can't wait. I just want the phone lines open for the rest of the damn entire show because I can't wait to talk to all the all about this. And remember there's a lot more to get into LeBron James and the Los Angeles Lakers, and their coaches just got a whole bunch of news to give y'all on that front. So don't go anywhere. You're listening. Lock Stephen Smith show ESPN radio ESPN news, by the way, when you're hiring. You don't wanna waste time. So do dozens of relevant resumes. You want an official way to get to a shortlist of qualified candidates. 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And a new career applied of your youth development specialist text radio two two nine seven two one one or visit NYC dot gov slash why. Now. You're listening to the Stephen Smith show podcast. You know, somebody brought it to my attention. Somebody who will remain nameless. Brought to my attention that this Sunday. They reminded me that this Sunday. We'll be the anniversary of. That choke city headline in Houston. May twelfth nineteen ninety four after the Houston Rockets had blown a twenty point lead in the playoffs against the Phoenix Suns. I think falling down. Oh two in that series. They said he choke city. Two words in big bold, black letters across the front page of the may twelfth nineteen ninety four sports section of the Houston chronicle. To this day. It's arguably the most memorable sports headlines in the newspapers one hundred eighteen year history that would be the Houston chronicle this article was originally published last may. So the hundred nineteen years now. And they said it eventually led to a new identity for the Houston Rockets. They said that headline the key flashpoint during a rockets first championship run turns twenty five years old Sunday when the rockets hope to be playing a game seven in their Western Conference semifinal series against the warriors. The story behind choke city was very very simple. It says the past as prologue, and that certainly was the case which oak city it came on the heels of a rough fifteen years stretch in Houston sports. The Astros have blown late leads in crushing season ended losses in nineteen eighty and nineteen eighty six and LCS the university of Houston's FOSS Lamma Jemma men's basketball juggernaut fell to unheralded NC state in a huge upset in one thousand nine hundred three and c a national championship game. Then there would have Houston Oilers. Remember that before they became and Tennessee titans. The Houston Oilers who suffered back to back playoff catastrophes in one thousand nine hundred ninety two and nineteen Ninety-three. The first included blowing a thirty five to three lead at buffalo. The worst collapse in NFL history. I remember that when Frank right lead their comeback for crying out loud. A year later they gave up twenty one fourth quarter points to lose to the Kansas City Chiefs in a divisional round playoff game. So they were labeled. Choke city. And the rockets responded by winning the first back to back championships. Courtesy of Michael, Jordan, retiring, and ultimately beating the New York Knicks and a game seven for the NBA championship when John stock shot to for eighteen one for eleven for three point range. I remember that Pat Riley was coaching and have relondo Blackman on a bench and never use. Okay. Remember that? And then the next year shack in the diesel and Penny Hardaway, and Nick Anderson and three D Dennis Scott all of these brothers will go into the finals. And everybody was looking forward to shack versus a lodge one came to dream allies one Kenny Smith, and Greg Hilo and all of these boys has something to say about that Robert ory Sam because some of these boys. What did they do? They swept Orlando. So that ultimately put it in the choke city, but it was considered their most poignant headlining years, why am I bringing this up because other people are bringing this up and they're put into the twenty five year anniversary of that famous headline and why they pointed to that because they're looking at heart, and then they're looking at CPA three now and this same with Kevin Durant going out. What's the excuse? That's what they're saying. They're saying is grit Steph curry and Klay Thompson you're supposed to be able to handle that. You got Clint Capella just got a five year ninety million dollar deal. He's supposed to deal with Draymond green. You got PJ Tucker, helping you got to Austin rivers help you you got Gerald green to a lesser degree. And he might show, but to a lesser degree helping you out, but the bottom line is this you don't have to deal with Kevin Durant. And you almost beat the warriors with Kevin Durant. Not just last year. But you were down to this year you tied at the series. Tutu you go back to go to stay for game. Five you down twenty you come back. Take the lead with Kevin Durant on the floor. So what you're gonna do ahead. Why are you gonna go ahead and lose now shouldn't have lost game five in most people's eyes? That was your opportunity you needed to put your foot on a guess. What's my dad, Tony doing doing the time out? All right. God, you just gotta make sure you just you just gotta make shots. What my dad Tony should've been saying Stephen a Smith with a coach at a youth rockets, and I'm not qualified. I'm not qualify now. I know I'd be a hell of a basketball president of basketball operations. I have no doubt. I would I would kick tail with that job. But in terms of because I know who to hire. And I know how to evaluate talent. And I know source described when I see him, and they wouldn't be part of my team. Let me be clear and yes, unpopular to say, I guess the rules are today's NBA. I would absolutely positively have a goon on my roster one goal. Just one I need somebody. That's willing to beat teammates up a practice. If they slapped off I need somebody that's willing to hurt somebody or gays to remind you this business. This is serious but getting back to their Tony. Then told us at a time out just gotta make shots guys would just dropping make you what you're supposed to be out this Kevin Durant out. Kevin Durant down. This is our opportunity to put our foot on their neck and grind them to the ground. That's what he was supposed to do. That's what he was supposed to do. That's what theory was supposed to do. Understand this. I don't understand y'all. We I'm trying to tell you right now. The number one sponsor with some of these fans some of these people in the NBA should be kind Nell tissue softer twenty. The number one sponsor that should be in the NBA stuff. That's going on here. You've got Kevin Durant down and out. That's your time to put your foot on your neck. There's stop down. And instead Steph curry goes off Klay Thompson hits the three Draymond green hits a pivotal three from the left wing. And they would a rough riders day would have dogs after. Kevin durant? Went out. Oh, CPA three hundred. They gotta make up for this. They got big up. It is. I know friends and family members of both. They know where I stand. See I don't like the bar the players doing these moments. I don't want to be in your face looking at you. I don't wanna be that George Steinbrenner because George Steinbrenner to former owner for the New York Yankees got arrested. So George Steinbrenner used to go up in the locker room and shake talking about he's shaking hands just to encourage players, please. Did you know anything about George Steinbrenner? You know, what he used to used to go up to them to shake the hand. You know, what you you better do? Right. That's what your Starbucks that used to do you? You do know you better. Get it done. He might not have set it. But that look on his face set. It all don't make me fire. You don't make me call you Mr. may like I used to call Winfield Dave Winfield, by the way, who I love don't let me do that to you. That's what he's saying. I'm just saying cheaply three days audit. Tonight's your night. Got show up. You got to show what you got to show up. Chris you lie. Stephen. Go ahead, man floors yours. Hurry up. I just want to say that. Yeah. The the rockets are under pressure in order and all that. But I think Curry's under pressure that you are too. Because if the show what who's to say that the warriors really don't need. Let me let me let me tell you something right now. Let me tell you. Why you so wrong Young's youngster? Let me tell you what you want me to tell you. Why are you ready for this grits say he has three rings? Three weeks three. But you just say what you want about. You can say what you what? But that's just your taste. That's just your perfect the basketball world at the end of the day looking at him. And what you see more than anything else are three things to timely again, VP three-time champion and the greatest shooters we've ever seen. That's it. I'm not saying that you wanna point out that he didn't get it done. But when you got three you get away with a lot, Chris, I think he'd do. But when we look back in history. Yes. Nope. Nope. You're on your own. How many people not history? Yeah. What's what's the problem with the world, we live in most people don't know history. But they'll remember those ranks. He's got three Chris. And then one more thing I just went away. Like, if the rockets say say that you do lose the series. How do they come back for them? I don't think they do. That's why I say so. I don't think they do. I think this is it. I think this is it I believe that if the Houston Rockets lose this series after Kevin Durant goes down. I think Tillman for Tita and their ownership in Houston and Daryl Morey to GM that you consider making changes. There's you consider making changes. This is it you don't win this year. You just a good team. That's gonna make it to the playoffs, and you got the potential to make things, but you're championship aspirations are over this is your chance, and I still think they'd wanna title because I don't think they'd be walkie. 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De'andre liggins car will jer are protected first round picnic. This past season and cash considerations laser, gentlemen. Take out league, inns takeout. Wilshire takeout, Hillier take out the protected first round pick take out the cash considerations out Sam Dekker who's with the wizards this past season, Patrick Beverley, Lou Williams and Montrose aero to marquee reserves. And a point guard that gave Kevin Durant more of a headache in even PJ. Tucker did does well. Well, that's what you let go of the Houston Rockets in exchange for Chris Paul. And you don't think that it matters. What he does tonight? Get your head out of you. You know, what they got to step up? That's just a sample of what you hear on. The Stephen swift. Joe weekdays at one PM eastern on ESPN radio and the ESPN app.

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Thanks for listening to the best of heard podcast, be sure to catch US live every weekday from twelve to three eastern nine Pacific on Fox Sports Radio nfs one, find your local station for the hurt at Fox sports radio DOT COM or stream it live every day on the iheartradio APP by searching heard. Is the best of the herd with Colin cowherd on Fox sports radio. Here we go into Wednesday. It's going to be the best show of the week live in Los Angeles. This is the her. Wherever you may be, and however you may be listening. Great to have you in on a Wednesday Nick Right Warren Moon Rob Parker bucur enjoyed Taylor is joining me quite a blow out last night with some controversy side of controversy as well. Yeah. Storylines. Terrible game I know. So Marcus Morris. The clippers. was. No accident stepped on. Lucas. sprained ankle can't be that bad of an ankle guys drop in thirty five night. It, cracks me up about the hypocrisy of America. By the way both political parties both coasts. Many countries in America, we buy our children, video games. Of people getting killed randomly and then we're shocked. At the numbing of the coarseness in the violence in America, we turn on Netflix every night green lit by Hollywood love their violence and then. Democrats argue what is core America's course? It's that President Salt? No. Maybe it's all the violence you green light on your productions and the video games we buy for our kids and then you can't believe why America is Numb to violence. We do this sports to we romanticize the Knicks and the Pistons that tackled Michael Jordan very low skill. But we we love Romanticizing the Celtics that tackled Kurt Rambis. But you got your feelings hurt last night in Dallas because somebody stepped on nucleus. Ankle. You'RE GONNA watch a thirty for thirty. Couple years on that and you brag your friends how great it was I'm supposed to get worked up over this. I'm supposed to get worked up the Pistons Tackled Michael Jordan for five years. The Knicks had nobody could shoot. They're only way to beat Jordan was tackling him. The Pistons had Reggie Miller and a bunch of guys couldn't get a free throw and they tackled him. And they do thirty for thirty on it and everybody watches and everybody talks about it and that worked up over can you give me one player in NBA history? who had his career ended because somebody? Kind of stepped on his ankle. It's called sports. Mantras Herald, talk trash deluca freak out. Your naievety is not my problem. That's players talk but Colin if Luca would have said, yeah we're a little more sensitive on the white guy talking to the black guy like that because you know the country's history crazy time don't tell on yourself. Guys Ymca college pro they talked trash. That's your problem. If you don't know Luca wasn't bothered by it, and by the way was Lou. Could deeply bothered by last night he can't be that bothered he's averaging thirty three night. The reality is the ultimate compliment to Michael. Jordan is that the Knicks and the Pacers and the Pistons couldn't stop him so they had try to tackle him. Do. You think it's a coincidence. That the too tough guys currently available for the Clippers mantras herald and Marcus Morris now Patrick Beverley the third but he's out these the tough guys didn't get to coincidence they set the too tough guys to same player Luca. It's the greatest compliment in the world. This is why the draymond green went after Lebron Golden State's like we can't stop him. We can't stop Lebron they sent draymond after to Niemann the you know what? The greatest compliment was lamb beer had to tackle Lakers and they had the tackle Michael and the clippers have tough guys now, not going to send Kawai Leonard after Luca, he's his points, but they send the to other guy, the toughest guys that gotten the team they send after Luka you think it's a coincidence taffer Luca. This is why Larry Bird got punched in the face by Dr J. Because the sixers couldn't figure out Larry Bird. And the Celtics were now overtaking the older sixers. Not, bothered by this, I'm not bothered by trash-talk your. NAIEVETY. Problem Jeers. This is even engulf intimidation wins. Intimidation is hitting the quarterback a second late. Yeah, the clippers will get find. All. They cared about get into. Lucas head. That's all they cared about. Hey. You have baseball managers that tell pitcher's throwing him all pay the fine. You know it I. Know It. You know it and I know that's what they do. I WANNA get into somebody's head. Give me the list of guys in baseball who've been hit by a pitch even in the noggin careers. GimMe a list of NBA Guy Calling. Are you saying I'll make it real clear intimidation wins, UFC, tiger woods in golf NASCAR bumping cars. You bump into a guy's car. You come around the next lap and the drivers out of the car given the guy it's all about intimidation that is the difference between the late Kobe Bryant and Rudy Gay. Kobe intimidated people got in your face talk trash rudy gay same size. Super talented. Some guys don't WanNa go there. Luca. So distraught in in unravel here's luke after the game after what was obviously A. Purposeful step on ankle. Thoughts. I was hoping it wasn't A. Tell me what are you? Wasn't. You know. He's just a wreck there by the way for years. I heard TV analysts brag about Bruce Bone. I Love The way Bruce Bowen place that is the way I play defense. You mean when he'd slide his foot under a shooter so the shooter would land on his foot and spread. Television analyst. Tell me how Great Bruce Bowen was. Don't. You tell me how great those Knicks team for that couldn't shoot or the Pistons that had Reggie Miller and a bunch of guys that could a free throw Aren't we glamorizing the Celtics Larry Bird was the really talented guy the rest of them were kind of gritty. Aren't we glamorizing all these teams? They'RE GONNA, they're gonNA write. Books and do documentaries on tough guys not the Nice guys. Lucas fine. It's an ultimate compliment. I didn't lose sleep and I didn't lose any sleep on the trash talk by the way mantras heroin Luca. Met after the trash talk Luca was surprised that he came over it was like. Basketball. I was fifteen years old. Do you think it was like for Luca playing in Europe. When he was fourteen years old and scoring on twenty nine year olds. Do you think all the European guys guarding and we we cigarettes after the game we make without sock zone and patty is verified a fourteen year old Justin Bedas me in front of my wife is his all wonderful. Luca has been target for eight years. European. dudes who embarrassed when he was fourteen, we're going after him. This is why Lucas Star. This is why Lucas not going away. I said this the other day this going to end up one or two all time scoring. Because, they went after him and it didn't bother him. And they went after him in Europe when he was fifteen and they're going after him in the NBA, it's just part of the process. It MJ went through it. Lebron went through when they can't figure out how to stop. They go to the next tactic, which is talk trash intimidate in an ankle little rib there. and. You know what Luca is going to drop thirty three in his next game. because. That is what you do when you can't stop somebody. You do that. Oh had to let me shift to this very day yesterday. One of the reasons I had an amazing day yesterday. We we picked clippers win big we we said Paul George GonNa play Great. They're gonNA crush but that's not why we had a great day. I had a great day because Russell Wilson apparently is GonNa play football into his fifties here. I just turned thirty one. Right in the beginning of my prime, I got so many more years left at least ten plus years left in me and so for me I'm just getting started that's the fun part for me. You know I'm just getting started in. So I wanNA keep going you know I'm GonNa Keep Challenge Myself to be better better and better and better you know my goal is to play at least another fifteen years. Oh, so that's my that's my mission. Good day for me. Fifteen more years of my favorite NFL player two things are happening. In all of sports. You know, let's talk football here. Players are getting better earlier especially quarterbacks. Camps they got ten thousand throws by the time they are twelve, twelve years old three, hundred, sixty, five day commitment. The quarterback no longer plays this sport that sport this sport that sport they're into football they're into camps are in the lead eleven so they're getting better earlier at the second thing is. There lasting way longer personal trainers personal shafts Russell Wilson spends one point five million dollars has for years on his body. There's no losers on this. I mean it's great for the fans. You get your star players like Mahomes for fifteen years not nine not ten. It's great for the League because they don't have to keep looking for the next star. They get their stars for two decades not one. It's great for general managers because if you do have to rebuild, it's always easier to rebuild with Lamar Jackson. Or Russell. Wilson Aaron Rodgers rebuilds don't take a rebuild like we don't have a quarterback that rebuild the you can miss on four quarterbacks. It's great forever it's great for the League. It's great for fans. It's great for fantasy there's no losers. And I do Russell Wilson Lebron Year Seventeen, Brady twenty twenty one, I think he's got a lot of their habits and traits. He's really smart. He takes care of his body. He gets the Big Picture Brady's OAS stayed away from politics mostly. Nothing, he doesn't have opinions. It just wasn't good for his brand which was very corporate. Lebron's into politics for him. That's great for his brand in Hollywood. Russell Wilson takes care of his body. He sees it as a long term investment, but you know what I thought when I saw this. The first thing I thought when I saw this was Oh, so he's not ending his career in Seattle. Because why did Lebron leave Cleveland. The cavs were no longer good for his brand. Why. Did Brady leave? New England. They couldn't get him the kind of players to elevate him as he aged. In what's happening in Seattle once again, this year battle line. An insistence to run a nineteen, eighty, eight, eight offense. And Russell is the life preserver saving drive after drive and game after game. Seattle has never understood. It's never been Richard Sherman team or Marshawn Lynch is or Pete Carroll's. It's been Russell. And they'll get it. Like New England or the cavs, and it will be too late. One more heard the heard streams twenty four hours a day seven days a week within the iheartradio APP search her to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Blood on the tracks is a new podcast about legendary music producer, Phil Spector in the murder of Lana Clarkson this podcast is hosted by me, Jake Brennan Creator and host of the award winning music and true crime podcast disgrace land in. twenty-seven, Club. This. NEW SERIALIZED PODCAST is part true crime part historical fiction part spoken word Lo fi beat. Nawar. 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The fans in the media was freak out when it clear underdog and we know what these teams are. Now there's no big surprises Chris Middleton Inconsistent Dallas doesn't play Defense James Harden gets tired sometimes because he sold ball centric especially without Westbrook to help him out, we know what these teams are. They make people uncomfortable for a while. This is the western conference that happens all the time. Golden State was uncomfortable in the first round last year. Happens all the time. The bottom line is Dallas dozen planning defense. You're not going to beat the clippers four times in two weeks, and the blazers are just too small and beat up they don't have any forwards. They're not going to beat the Lakers four times in two weeks. Now, the jazz and nuggets or those are not title teams they're very even it could go either way. Rockets without Westbrook. Okay. See that's very even I'll take the rockets eventually because I think they have a higher ceiling at best player score in the world right now. But what you saw from the clippers last. was when they play while they have the highest ceiling of any team. They shot sixty three percent from the floor they got into Luca a little bit. The game was never really competitive multiple player scored. They didn't even have Patrick Beverley. Lou Williams didn't score a bunch. This is what they are when they play great which okay. They Overlook Dallas and the Lakers overlooked Portland and Milwaukee overlooked Orlando, it happens I love all these young stars. But who is now going to be left in the West. Lebron AD and coli. Lucas just figuring this league out Kawais been there and done that and the playoffs are different. You know what last night was. The kids are at home. They're throwing a party last couple of weeks or having a good time beer. Pong. Party. Music, is loud at home. Your Drake and then dad walked in. All right kids time to go to bed put the bureau away. Co Ed dropped to seventeen footer than a nineteen footer than an eighteen footer may to defensive stops in a seventeen footer then Paul George Dan Lou Williams, and the game is over. The kids played beer Pong and had some loud music for a couple of days. Dad Walked in and Dad Now this is the way it works in the playoffs Lebron a Ad James Harden is going to get through this. Ally, Impala, George, Janas and This is the way it works. Be Sure to catch live editions of the heard Weekdays at noon Eastern. Not Am Pacific on Fox sports radio affects one and the iheartradio APP Marcus Morris in intimidating guy tried to intimidate. So. MANTRAS. Herald. trash-talk the ultimate compliment. The ultimate compliment nobody's career ends because you stepped on their hurt. Ankle. Nick right boy. This'll be interesting Mercedes Benz, the best or nothing. Apparently that my my producers put on the board he is furious. So. Further. Him for the record. disappointed. Whatever missiles my wife. So Marcus Morris literally came after you on twitter last night because you called him, what what did you do? I said what is obvious that it was intentional and you are you are taking were takes have never gone before which is you are acknowledging seemingly that it was intentional yet defending him. I was prepared for you to say it was an accident which I don't buy but that's that's what Marcus is trying to sell unfortunately for marketing tweet whatever he wants it me in the middle of the night but I covered him when he was Kansas when bill self had to sit down in the midst of a player of the year race because he was doing nonsense. Like this as an amateur player, he's done nonsense like this every stop along the way he need Ben Simmons in the head last season he booked point two guy on there with the basketball this preseason we know who he is, but you're saying you're fine with it because you're inflating with trash talk or with a hard foul this is none of the above and Colin you're saying. Is Career has been ended by an ankle injury. Okay maybe. The best player on Marcus's team had his career in San Antonio Inextricably Shane changed because of an ankle injury he is quiet 2017 was having one of the greatest playoff runs. We've ever seen. You've got Zaza put his foot underneath him. He never played another game for the for the Spurs in the playoffs and the NBA changed the rules made that a flagrant thou-, how can you defend this? Well, intimidation by this is this is going after an injured players ankle after the play is over well by the way, a Patrick Mahomes is going to face that this year where. People are going to go after him little bit high why? Because they can't stop him the ultimate compliment is we can't stop Michael we can't stop bird we can't stop mahomes, Mahal? This is why I've said this in the NFL, get a quarterback job to protect him take guys nobody's heard from Wisconsin that blocked for quarterbacks in the reality is he stepped on his shoe he'll get fined but the trash talk get in his head step on his shoe getting his head. This is what I've seen for thirty years. Forty. Years League will then I'm just curious just curious like how What is your line because what another option is before game six start joke Noah doesn't play for you and having punch Luke in the face well. Punch back and get thrown out now. Maybe. You'll just get a black eye. Well, I mean I it's it's a line and we can argue about. It's fuzzy. Even even when you're driving the road, the speed limit's fifty five you can go sixty two and not get a ticket. We moved the line all the time to expedite to intimidate I'm comfortable with it. Yeah. Yeah. That's fine and maybe it makes me a soft millennial as you. I think that the line should be should be during the course of play hard fouls, a little extra elbows leaning all that stuff's totally inbound market, the sideline camera angle of this the clippers make a shot Marcus Morris. It takes a beeline to Luke Luke what pick them up ninety four feet and then you're trying to flat tire bad ankle I draw the line somewhere before that you draw the line anything short of what happened in the movie, the program evidently, and so that's what. I'm sorry the program, the last Boy Scout. That's your prerogative. I assume it's your tough. Tough upbringing the Pacific north was very rough, very tough childhood in the Pacific Northwest. So now you have to admit last night. The ceiling of the clippers. Lord very high. I mean now I mean, Lakers was nice but we know we know coups is not going to do that again when I looked at the clippers I think, oh, I could get this five or six times in the series with the Lakers I know that cusack ACP, Danny, green, Dwight Howard, Javale McGee are all going to play great in the same night 'cause they don't do that during the season didn't this feel like that's duplicate that multiple times if you're the clippers. Oh listen their ceiling has always been super high. The problem is they haven't shown a willingness to give the requisite effort consistently to reach that ceiling and you might love the clippers as a basketball team, but you'd hate them as an employee or coworker because I know enough about you to know okay you're a super high ceilings great. But what do you give me day in day out? What can I rely on from you? And the clippers are not a reliable team they're just flatly not they were up twenty one in the second quarter of game four and they blew the whole thing. They blew the game almost and game five they're up twenty one in the second quarter of a game five and they blew the mavs out. So are you are you fully confident? You're going to get that level of effort in game six because I'm not like. The clippers are coming go and we heard doc say it. So I agree with you it wasn't this was their biggest game of the year and they showed that win they all show up how dangerous they can be. But we've had seventy five games of clippers basketball this year, and they've shown that few and far between at least to me compared to what you get from the Lakers who were the actual favorites so I don't worry about the rockets a I think it's a pretty even series without Westbrook who gives a real energy late in games hard and looked a little gas a little bit in the last game. But I, think they'll win this game. But. I'm GonNa ask you the question I I don't like asking questions I know the answer but I have a feeling I know what you're gonNA say. But I WANNA ask it anyway. If to Houston does not get through this series and hardened did look tire the other night. Can I make the argument that harden is the greatest score in in twenty years in the League. But, he may not be a championship level player based on his style and based on the current length of the season. That, you can be great but not not a guy that necessarily is going to win titles 'cause I watch him and I think that this is not GonNa win this is not going to attempt you but because we're thirty eight, a game is that a fair criticism. I think it's it's a reasonable criticism even if I disagree with it and here if you can be in. If, you can be vegas favorite to win the title. Playing that style you can win the title and in twenty eighteen up three. Do they were the vegas favorite if you're GONNA be up fifteen in game seven of a conference finals against an old time team without your second best player playing that style you can win title-winning playing that style now they haven't, and so people will always be able to throw that out there I think that's been more circumstantial and I don't think they're going to win it. This year and he's getting older not younger but I think when it comes to the rockets and when it comes to harden, it's sometimes the old bill? James Thing, which is teams have a bad habit of blaming their best players when things go wrong when the expect the best of the best to step up but something very interesting is going to happen Colin and I and I'm very curious to see what the media does this, which is Damian. Lillard. Team was below five hundred. This year played the Lakers in the first round of the playoffs and lost in five James Harden whose team wins fifty some games. Every year is going to play the Lakers in the second round of the playoffs and probably losing six or seven, and somehow this year is going to elevate dame and denigrate heart dame's GonNa. Get more credit for his team almost getting to five hundred squeaking into the playoffs and getting blasted off the floor. Then harden is for once again, making it through the first round once again, averaging thirty plus a game, and then just not quite getting over the hump like if People WanNa say listen harden isn't Lebron he's not K. D. One could argue. But other than that those three guys, those are the only guys that we know and I guess throw Stephan as well that they can be the best player on a championship team in the entire League in. So I feel like if you're comparing hardly anybody else he stacks up pretty favorite that I think it's a fair argument stylistic league. We like Dame and staff more than harden stylistically. But hardened right now is the more durable player and the better player I think that's a very I'm gonNA ended on that because that's a that's a very good point after I really took you to the woodshed for a couple of topics. So I like you ending on a positive note because as you suppose your mentor I don't feel like bullying you on the show. Accident. You told you told America you'd try to kneecap me I was coming for your job. As I thought he was I thought it was coincidental got shipped out to New York turns out the old Machiavellian Callard. Working behind the scenes. OAS McGregor. First. CONGRATS on your new teammate show look and sound great be short catch live editions of the heard Weekdays at noon eastern nine am Pacific one of the things I really like about sports. It's getting smarter. Like that. It's preserving players rules. You know the Training Smarter The coaching smarter. Analytic Sports. Has Gotten Smarter. And early adapters, the teams that get that like the warriors and the Patriots that Kansas City that get the analytics and don't get stubborn. Win More. Cubs won it on analytics Red Sox won titles they early adapters now they're rebuilding but for years Yankees after watching the Red Sox, they were not into analytics then poured and twenty eighteen made the biggest analytic department and Major League Baseball. San Francisco Kyle Shanahan very much in a data. Yesterday on Earl Thomas. He said. Not Interested. No pause no hesitation. No filter. Now not were not initially. Jerry Jones denied. They were not interested because Jerry wanted to make it known that it was his call and these reports out there Jerry, keep the story alive. Jerry created distraction in a year with a new coach and no preseason when distractions could be mushroomed into much bigger issues. Jerry is not quite into the data thing in. Very funny. Maybe it's a Dallas thing i. read a story this morning call thirty, thousand dollar millionaires. Dallas is a city kind of flaunts owns and flaunts. That's kind of the reputation I've. It was very interesting story. It's called home sweet home of the thirty thousand dollar millionaire and the Mayor of Dallas was acknowledging he said, we're both rich and poor. We flaunt what we have. That's fine. But what's funny is sports is getting smarter and it's more data. And it's less vanity and it's more analytics and it's less ego and it's more about what the numbers say. Not What your owner thinks and I, and I watched this story with Earl Thomas. And San Francisco just squelched. Sandwiches goes really good. Super Bowl Bubble Earl Thomas came out that could probably use the safety didn't give it a just get it out. No. Dallas. Let's talk about it and I I really do think this is why I've. Kinda sold my stock piles cowboys. Is that The first round of the draft Dallas did not need a wide receiver. What did they do had multiple means on their team's GONNA flashy wide receiver. It's about brand. It's about excitement. It's not about data didn't tell you. That was the best decision they had Michael Gallup. They had at the time. They have Amari Cooper they've got a great old line. They got offense wasn't there issue. They can't stop anybody. And their secondary loss multiple players and their defensive line has one really highly paid player that Kinda get sacks but not really, and the cross their fingers on Van Rash Jalen Simmons Health. But increasingly when I walked in a this is funny about this. And I've seen this for a long time in sports. We always fear the big markets and the big brands because we think is sports fans it's unfair new. York's got all the advantages. The advantage to being the colts and the Green Bay packers and the Oklahoma City Thunder? And the Kansas City chiefs and the New Orleans Saints and the Buffalo Bills and the Baltimore Ravens and not being in these rich markets and these massive cities the advantage to it is every employee knows You've got to save your pennies. You gotta work a little harder. Look. In sports right now in America. The New York. Giants the new. York jets the York Knicks the. New. York mets, mess. Shouldn't Chicago's got a couple of things going on but BEARS WE KEEP WAITING BULLS WASHING WASHINGTON Seven big city in the country. The Washington football teams amass. The wizards are a mass. DALLAS, the Lakers, and the Yankees are the three biggest brands in American sports. Dallas in the Lakers. Late to analytics more about ego and vanity where the titles. were. Were they in fact the last great titled? Dallas had was mark Cuban an analytic guy and not flashy and showy a billionaire that were t shirts and cheap tennis shoes. Two Games Mark Cuban is the opposite of Jerry. He's like t-shirts. Let's his players be. Stars. Low key very much in analytics all in the analytic. That's the last title analysis and I think what's happening in spite, and by the way the Yankees for years and years a lot of vanity playing a hunch over spending and then they watched the rival Red Sox start picking up titles without their budget didn't have close to the Yankee budget and they were doing analytics and then the Yankees in two thousand eighteen. Okay. Now this and poor their money back into it. That's why when you can get the combination of big market and analytics like the dodgers, you have seven division titles in a row, the dodgers having a world series, but they have passed on so many contracts until Mookie Betts, they pass on a lot. So when you can get the big glamorous market, the Boston Red Sox a big market, and they're in analytics Chicago cubs in the analytics Boston Patriots in analytics San Francisco's the fourth biggest market in the country San. Francisco. Bay area very much in analytics. That's when it's great when the big market that's got the advantages of free agents and money and power and prestige, they go into it but it's amazing how often the big flashy brands are late to it. The Lakers relate to a Dallas as late to a Dallas still plan to many Vanity Games and EGO Games. The Yankees were laid to it initially. So. A Kyle Shanahan just squash Earl Thomas Dallas's. Elevating, that story I mean that's the difference to me. That's the difference in organizations. It's the off season. It's the nonsense, the daily radio shows for owners Lord. One more heard the heard streams twenty four hours a day seven days a week within the iheartradio APP search her to listen live or on-demand whenever you lie. The goal club was the top Strip club in Atlanta in the nineteen nineties, a twentieth century Bucknell for the rich and famous with patients like Dennis Rodman Michael Jordan, Madonna King of Sweden. 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With black hair you down with abolishing the prison industrial complex. You Down with puppies who is it tell with puppy? You'd be surprised. Where the comedy group Obama's other daughters and we're inviting you to come kick it with us on our podcast called you don. We're bringing you the same fun vibe we serve during our Improv shows in La only in podcast. Check in with us as we discussed everything going on in the culture and have the nerve to give our expert opinions to a lucky listener weather. It's embarrassing hair stories or comedy fails might even talk about goes. Listen to you now on the iheartradio APP apple podcasts or wherever you get your pocket. You down. So, I want to talk about age. So. I thought you know. Mission impossible is an unbelievable series. Unbelievable. I've never met Tom Cruise, but it's unbelievable. Tom Cruise's aged well. He's almost sixty. And I'm watching him last night I'll go through his trailer is doing topgun trailer. The Guy Looks unbelievable. Does he have hair dye the hell? Do I care? I don't know veneers on his teeth I don't know. Everybody's like. Well, he's got La Money. Lot of people in Hollywood have money they look like hell at fifty eight. He takes care of himself workout. Eat right doesn't sit on twitter yelling at people all day whatever it is that guy is aged well. Not Everybody. In Hollywood with money ages well seen Russell Crowe lately. Guy Needs some produce. Okay. The point being is this is why I don't like the bad love mission impossible. This is why I don't like the steelers this year I get a lot of feedback. There are the only team in the league I don't like. I'm a little cool on Green Bay but I still think they were in nineteen games. I think the steelers are under five hundred they have not age well. Certain. People in sports have Tom Brady Pete Carroll's got incredible energy. Herm Edwards is almost seventy years old whatever it is the diet the were everybody works out the Diet the workout, the relationship you still love your wife whatever it is some guys age. Well, Pittsburgh has an age well. Ben's old thirty eight. Mike Tomlin is great press conference coach but too often he gets emotional not into doubt enough for my taste I think they're too permissive some time for some of their stars they just feel loose. They're not disciplined enough for me and they have an age. Well, when is their last playoff win? Do you know what it was four years ago and they didn't score a touchdown in Kansas City. The Last Three playoff win they've had they've beaten Andy Dalton Matt Moore Alex Smith. And they've lost Tim Tibo and Blake. Bortles Blake Bortles at home. So it's just one of those things where. I just don't buy. So I saw Big Ben quote yesterday and he's talking about. His elbow how it feels great and big band came out and said, I've had this pain for years it's just been brutal. This is the first thirteen fourteen years about a air the whole time. And you're just addressing. Do you think Tom Brady would wait thirteen years if you had soreness. You just now addressing like I just. I don't even know why it is. I've always been sort of impressed by people that age well, it tells me they have good judgment. They make good decisions based on their relationships, their food, their workouts, whatever it is they've got balancing their life. They're not angry all the time, but I just look at Pittsburgh. And I look at the NFL look at Herm Edwards and I look at Brady and I just see some people that just age. So well, Pittsburgh. They, put on a few pounds. Or Coleman their hair over there. Not My wife always says Colin just stay current. Be. Current. Don't be the old guy on the air that's not current and complaining about instagram get on Instagram. 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To have you in on a Wednesday Nick Right Warren Moon Rob Parker bucur enjoyed Taylor is joining me quite a blow out last night with some controversy side of controversy as well. Yeah. Storylines. Terrible game out was so Marcus, Morris, the clippers. Was No accident stepped on Lucas. sprained ankle can't be that bad of an ankle guys drop thirty, five a night. Cracks me up about the hypocrisy of America. A by the way both political parties both coasts. Many countries in America we buy our children video games. Of people getting killed randomly and then we're shocked. At the numbing. Of The coarseness in the violence in America, we turn on Netflix every night green lit by Hollywood, love their violence and then. Democrats argue what is core America's course? It's that President Salt? No maybe it's all the violence you green light on your productions and the video games we buy for our kids and then you can't believe why America is Numb to violence. We do this in sports to we romanticize the Knicks and the Pistons that tackled Michael Jordan very low skill but we we love romanticizing. The Celtics that tackled Kurt Rambis. But you got your feelings hurt last night in Dallas, somebody stepped on. Nucleus Ankle. You'RE GONNA Watch. A. Thirty for thirty. Couple years on that and you bragged your friends how great it was I'm supposed to get worked up over this. I'm supposed to get worked up the Pistons Tackled Michael Jordan for five years. The Knicks had nobody could shoot. They're only way to beat Jordan was tackling him. The Pistons had Reggie Miller and a bunch of guys who couldn't a free throw and they tackled him. And they do thirty thirty s on it and everybody watches and everybody talks about it and that worked up over can you give me one player in NBA history? who had his career ended because somebody? Kind of stepped on his hurt ankle. It's called sports. Slow in Mantras Herald, talk trash DELUCA I didn't freak out. Your naievety is not my problem. That's players talk but Colin if Luca would've said, yeah we're a little more sensitive on the white guy talking to the black guy like that because you know the country's history crazy time don't tell on yourself. Guys, Ymca College pro, they talk trash. That's your problem. If you don't know Luca wasn't bothered by it, and by the way was Lucas deeply bothered by last night, he can't be that bothered he's averaging thirty three night. The reality is the ultimate compliment to Michael. Jordan is that the Knicks and the Pacers and the Pistons couldn't stop him. So they had the try to tackle him. Do you think it's a coincidence. That the too tough guys currently available for the Clippers Mantras Herald and Marcus Morris Patrick Beverley the third but he's out these are the tough guys. Do you think it's a coincidence? They set the too tough guys to same player, Luca? It's the greatest compliment in the world. This is why the draymond green went after Lebron. Golden State's like we can't stop him. We can't stop Lebron. They sent dream on after him to Niemann the you know what? The greatest compliment was lamb beer had to tackle Lakers and they had the tackle Michael and the clippers have tough guys. Now, they're not going to send Kawhi Leonard after Luca. He's his points, but they send the two other guys. The toughest guys that gotten a team they sent him after Luka you think it's a coincidence after Luca. This is why Larry Bird got punched in the face. by Dr, J. 'cause the, sixers couldn't figure out Larry. Bird. And the Celtics were now overtaking the older sixers. Not bothered by this, I'm not bothered by trash-talk your naievety is not my problem. It's yours. This is even golf intimidation wins. Intimidation is hitting the quarterback a second late. Yeah. The clippers will get find. All they cared about get into Lucas head. That's all they cared about. Hey. You have baseball managers that tell pitcher's throwing him all pay the fine you know what I know it. You know it and I know that's what they do. I WANNA get into somebody's head. Give me the list of guys in baseball who've been hit by a pitch even in the noggin careers. GimMe. A list of NBA Guy. Calling, are you saying I'll make it real clear intimidation wins UFC tiger woods in golf NASCAR bumping cars you bump into a car you come around the next lap and the drivers out of the car given the God. It's all about intimidation. That is the difference between the late Kobe Bryant Rudy Gay. Kobe intimidated people got in your face talk trash rudy gay same size. Super talented. Guys don't WanNa. Go there. Luca was so distraught in in unravel. Here's Luke after the game after what was obviously A. Purposeful step on ankle. Thoughts. I was hoping it wasn't it? That's Tell me what you? You know. He's just a wreck there by the way for years. I heard TV analysts Brag about Bruce Bone I love the way Bruce Bowen place that is the way I play defense. You mean when he'd slide his foot under a shooter so the shooter would land on his foot and spread. Did Television analyst. Tell me how Great Bruce Bowen was. Don't you tell me how great those Knicks team that couldn't shoot or the Pistons that had Reggie Miller and a bunch of guys that could make a free throw. Aren't we glamorizing the Celtics Larry Bird was the really talented guy the rest of them were kind of gritty. Aren't we glamorizing all these teams? They'RE GONNA they're gonNA write. Books, and documentaries on the tough guys not the nice guys. Lucas fine. It's an ultimate compliment I didn't lose sleep and I didn't lose any sleep on the trash talk by the way mantras heroin Luca. Met after the trash talk Luca was surprised that he came over it was like. Basketball I was fifteen years old. What do you think it was like for Luca playing in Europe? When he was fourteen years old and scoring on twenty nine year olds. Do you think all the European guys guarding and related we we cigarettes after the game. We make love without socks on and Patty is very find a fourteen year old just embarrassed me in front of my wife is his all wonderful. Luca. Has Been Target for eight years. European dudes who embarrassed when he was fourteen we're going after him. This is why Lucas Star this is why luke is not going away I said this the other day this is going to end up one or two all time scoring. Because they went after him and it didn't bother him. And they went after him in Europe when he was fifteen and they're going after him in the NBA, it's just part of the process. MJ went through it Lebron went through when they can't figure out how to stop. They go to the next tactic, which is talk trash intimidate in an ankle little rib there. And you know what Luke is going to drop thirty three in his next game. because. That is what you do when you can't stop somebody. You do that. Oh. Had To let me shift to this very day yesterday. One of the reasons I had an amazing day yesterday we pick the clippers to win big we we said Paul George GonNa, play great in their crushing but that's not why we had a great day. I had a great day because Russell Wilson apparently is gonNA PLAY FOOTBALL INTO HIS FIFTIES PARADISE I just turned thirty one. Right, in the beginning of my prime, I got so many more years left at least ten plus more years left in me, and so for me I'm just getting started. That's the fun part for me. You know I'm just getting started in. So I wanNA keep going you know I'm GonNa keep myself treatment to better better and better and better. You know my goal is the plane least another fifteen years. So that's my that's my. Good day for me fifteen more years of my favorite NFL player. Two things are happening. In all of sports. You know let's talk football here. Players are getting better earlier especially quarterbacks. Camps they got ten thousand throws by the time they are twelve, twelve years old three, hundred, sixty, five day commitment. The quarterback no longer plays this sport that sport this sport that sport into football they're into camps are in the lead eleven. So they're getting better earlier. The second thing is. There lasting way longer personal trainers personal shafts Russell Wilson spends one point five million dollars has for years on his body. There's no losers on this. I mean, it's great for the fans. You. Get your star players like Mahomes for fifteen years not nine not ten. It's great for the League because they don't have to keep looking for the next star. They get their stars for two decades not one. It's great for general managers because if you do after rebuild, it's always easier to rebuild but Lamar Jackson. or also Wilson Aaron Rodgers. So the rebuilds don't take a rebuild as like we don't have a quarterback that rebuild you can miss on four quarterbacks. It's great for everybody. It's great for the League. It's great for fans. It's great for fantasy at there's no losers. And do Russell Wilson Lebron Year Seventeen Brady, you're twenty, twenty, one, I think he's got a lot of their habits and traits he's really smart. He takes care of his body. He gets the big picture. Brady's OAS stayed away from politics mostly. Not that he doesn't have opinions. It just wasn't good for his brand which was very corporate. Lebron's into politics for him. That's great for his brand in Hollywood. Russell Wilson. Takes Care of his body. He sees it as a long term investment but you know what I thought when I saw this. The first thing I thought when I saw this was oh so he's not ending his career in Seattle. Because why did Lebron leave Cleveland. The cavs were no longer good for his brand. Why did Brady leave? New England. They couldn't get him the kind of players to elevate him as he aged. In what's happening in Seattle once again this year battle line. An insistence to run a nineteen, eighty-eight, eight offense. And Russell, is the life preserver saving drive after drive and game after game. Seattle has never understood never been Richard Sherman's team or Marshawn Lynch is or Pete Carroll's it's been Russell. And they'll get it. Like, New England, or the cavs, and it will be too late. Nick apparently is very angry with me on my Marcus Morris take. Nick soft. He's a millennial. I'm not soft I step on ankles nick right was trying to take my job and he walked right by go step on his ankle. That's what I do right now, that's how I play. We intimidate others we go. After other hosts we step on their sore ankles. That's what we do on the show not a lot of nonsense. By the way I don't Wanna I'm not into being right or anything but. We kind of call that thing yesterday game. Come on we start as low out Paul. George will be great. It's a, it's a seven game series. Better teams to. Designs I. Mean. Even in March madness, you get a handful of upsets. Joe Is end up with your one, two three and four C.'s. You have an occasional seven seed, make it to the elite eight and you're like, oh, the upsets and that's just one game Lucas hurt playing incredible. But the playing hurts imagine how great he'd be playing. If he wasn't hurt and kristaps out I, want more I, want new branding on our show the show that steps on her ankles. That is the brand of me. I'm actually kind of with that. All right get nick, right that's his twitter account. He'll be joining us around the corner Let me talk about the actual game and what we saw last night and what we continually see in the NBA that's coming up be sure to catch live editions of the heard Weekdays at noon eastern not am Pacific on Fox sports radio, F s one and the iheartradio APP last few weeks home project. Do It yourself project? Thanks to Lowe's goes dot COM bar cart trae everything very good. Only one cocktail last night game was over early I went to bed early. So. Lakers. Going to wrap things up clippers are going to wrap things up. You know it's funny. So. The Blazers made the Lakers kind of uncomfortable for a couple days and then yesterday day before yesterday Lakers knocked him out. And Orlando the magic made Milwaukee uncomfortable for a couple days in today they'll knock him out and the Dallas. Mavericks made the Clippers uncomfortable for a few days and last night. They basically knocked out the fans and the media always freak out when it clear underdog we know what these teams are. Now there's no big surprises Chris Middleton Inconsistent Dallas doesn't play Defense James Harden gets tired sometimes because he sold ball centric especially without Westbrook to help him out, we know what these teams are. They make people uncomfortable for a while. This is the western conference. It happens all the time golden state was uncomfortable in the first round last year. Happens all the time. The bottom line is Dallas. Dozen Planning Defense. You're not going to beat the clippers four times in two weeks and the blazers are just too small and beat up. They don't have any forwards. They're not going to beat the Lakers four times in two weeks. Now, the jazz and nuggets different. Those are not titled Teams. They're very even it could go either way. Rockets without Westbrook okay. See that's very even the rockets eventually because I think they have a higher ceiling, the best player score in the world right now. But what you saw from the clippers last night. was when they play well, they have the highest ceiling of any team. They shot sixty three percent from the floor they got into Luca little bit. The game was never really competitive multiple players scored. They didn't even have Patrick Beverley Lou Williams didn't score a bunch this what they are when they play great which okay. They overlooked Dallas and the Lakers overlooked Portland and Milwaukee overlooked Orlando it happens I, love all these young stars. But who is now going to be left in the West. Lebron a D.. Lucas just figuring this league out Kawais been there and done that and the playoffs are different. You know what last night was. The kids are at home. They're throwing a party last couple of weeks or having a good time beer pong party. Music is loud at home. Your Drake and then dad walked in. All right kids time to go to bed put the beer away collide up to seventeen footer. The nineteen footer than an eighteen footer may to defensive stops in a seventeen footer them Paul George Lou Williams in the game is over. The kids play Beer Pong and had some loud music a couple of days. Dad Walked in and. Dad Now, this is the way it works in the playoffs, the Braun A. James Harden is going to get through this. Why and Paul George and Janas and this is the way it works joy Taylor the news. On the news this is the headline news. Well, the nets weren't ready for their season to be over last night Yokich start the game against the jazz strong making all eight shots he took in the first quarter including five three pointers for twenty one points But the team fell behind by fifteen in the third and Jamal Murray took over he scored thirty three of his Forty Watt Who God is he playing unbelievable dot he is such a you know he's a little inconsistent sometimes for me but he's another one of these young guys like Devon. Booker in the bubble, you're like whatever it is psychologically tapping a bubble like Jamal Murray and Devon Booker like every night I was just getting an all star Donovan Mitchell to at thirty last night this this series is really It's just like great fundamental basketball like we're we're kind of focusing on all the other series because you know they have the SARS that you just mentioned that we expect to go all the way to the you know Western Niessen finals and the championship but this is really just a great display ask the ball. I. Denver if Michael Porter Jr. becomes what they think eventually, you're going to have Yokich Jamal Murray. and Michael Porter Jr. three elite scores All star level players if he's as good as eventually we think. In Denver got the right coach, they obviously draft well like like Denver's not a city we talk a lot about an NBA football cities and it's in that time zone in the mountains. WATCH OUT FOR DENVER WATCH OUT FORWARD FOR DENVER both both of these organizations kind of remind me of the raptors a little bit. They don't have a lot of pressure on them to be Chevy chip level teams, but they develop guys. They do a great job drafting great coaching too little Toronto Zang. Yeah the. Raptors you just kind of under the radar but great every year if they can get one star to take it to the next level, they're going to be a problem. So Janas has won defensive player of the year. This season he won in a landslide receiving seventy five of the one hundred first place votes. Anthony Davis was a distant second with only fourteen Janas lead the NBA defensive rebounds a season, and obviously helped the bucks keep their opponents that lowest feel percentage in the league. He is now the fifth player to win both MVP and defensive player of the year in his career, and they have mon- At one o'clock. And he will likely win MVP the MVP defensive player number one seed League puts him at one o'clock and you're telling me can't consider leaving one o'clock. Ten o'clock Pacific Time literally, people just get to work. They're going to their first meeting and the bucks on television that it is i. think it's Milwaukee. No no I just think whatever it is. The League don't argue with me the league. I fully agree with you. I think that you it's not that I don't think that is a star, but there's a fine line between superstar and star how many. Decide who the the public does. The case I on three times, the League engineer, the schedule, the summer, the bubble in the regular season they they engineered for Zion. This kid's been in the League seven years. This'll be a second MVP defensive player of the number one seat put them on at ten Pacific, the League's telling you stopped my opinion. So might take away his. He, Journey Mvp of this league, you that company agent. Either get the titles. Or get branding in the in the lettuce. He's got to get one of them and I think he's not very polarizing, and maybe if they lose this year, he will become that because of whatever decision he decides to make or whatever moves are made. You know obviously the warriors have been in that conversation that happens like the whole world's GonNa, fall apart but I I think what happens after this year will really be a big determining factor for his legacy is league because he's an incredible player like He. It's fantastic at two MVP's and defensive player of the already you're still young, very young, but the next level nextstep pass a happen. Okay. This story drives me crazy. So there's no preseason game. So quarterbacks are not going to be hit. So week one but Joe Judge might take a different approach and have Daniel Jones face more contacts before the season starts. With quarterbacks, you want to go ahead and be calculating how you start banging around. Or a throw him in any you know. Royal rumbles or anything like that. But you know at some point will pompous adds a little bit control Environment Yep I'm not in a hurry to go ahead just beat the hell out of I'm Tom. But you know at some point, we'll prepare his body needs him personally and thank you. Love. He suggesting that they take the the Red Jersey on some point it's football you're going to get hit I. Didn't wear that Red Jersey in highschool come hit me. Very. Intimidating. Listen these guys get hit. Can we stop babying everybody Louis Stepped Lucas go don't baby anybody except for that guy? Oh. So so Andrew Luck. I remember when he said. Is Right. Now he had a bad ending, but he used to say I like it popped. Make me feel like I'm in the game. Yeah he did. Where's Andrew lucked right now he didn't say popped sixty eight time. My point listen. I. Am Not Unaware of how football works Bilas Calm Down with taking the Red Jersey off of the. Is quarterback training camp I got I was up at one, forty, five in the morning firing off emails I'm in a mood today. The. New Colin is about contact. Okay. I. Get What my new mood today I've been five percents one forty firing off stop. Contact calm I am against this look I you WanNa. Run laps. Okay. That's cute. You know whatever it is. You WanNa do in training camp all those old school tough guy stuff wall football cliches fine. All right play around play around with your quarterback. If you want to I, I will be right here. Hatrick mahomes was banged up last year. We can run this back. This is a bad idea I'm not saying don't put a little context on your quarterback taking the red. Jersey. A bad hop a little bit Lamar Jackson. Summer knock running into a jet ski on a beach because you wanNA play. That was a good idea either that was a bad idea. Exactly protect your quarterback. All right. Let's soften the show up and go to neck right joy Taylor with the news. Well, that's the news. Thanks for stopping by. Heard lying new Marcus Morris an intimidating guy tried to intimidate Luca. So did mantras heralded trash-talk the ultimate compliment? It's the ultimate compliment nobody's career end because you stepped on their hurt ankle. Nick. Right boy this'll be interesting Mercedes Benz. The best or nothing apparently. My producers put on the Gordon he is furious. So. Your further Bam for the record disappointed. Well, whatever so's my wife. So Marcus Morris literally came after you on twitter last night because you called him, what would you do? I said what is obvious that it was intentional and you are you are taking were takes have never gone before, which is you are acknowledging seemingly that it was intentional. Yeah. Yet defending him. I was prepared for you to say it was an accident which I don't buy, but that's the that's what Marcus is trying to sell unfortunately for marketing tweet whatever he wants it me in the middle of the night but I covered him when he was Kansas when bill self had to sit him down in the midst of a player of the year race because he was doing nonsense like this as an amateur player, he's done nonsense like this every stop along the way he need Ben Simmons in the head last season he booked point to guy on that with the basketball this preseason we know who he is. But you're saying you're fine with it because you're you're conflating with trash talk or with a hard foul this is none of the above and Colin you're you're saying, no one's career has been ended by an ankle injury. Okay. Maybe but the best player on Marcus's team had his career in San Antonio inextricably changed because of an ankle injury he is trying 2017 seventeen was having one of the greatest playoff runs. We've ever seen you've got Zaza put his foot underneath he never plays another game for the for the Spurs in the playoffs and the NBA changed the rules made that a flagrant foul how can you defend this? Intimidation, by this is going after an injured players ankle after the play is over well by the way, Patrick Mahomes is going to face that this year where people are going to go after him little bit high why? Because they can't stop him the ultimate compliment is we can't stop Michael, we can't stop bird we can't stop mahomes Mahal this is why I've said this in the NFL, get a quarterback job to protect him take guys nobody's hurt up from Wisconsin. That blocked for quarterbacks and the reality is he stepped on his shoe he'll get fined but the trash talk get in his head step on shoe get in his head. This is what I've seen for thirty years. Forty years in the league will then I'm just curious than I'm just curious like how what is that? What is your line because what another option is before game six start joke him noah, doesn't play for you and having punch Lucan the face well. Back. Get thrown out now maybe. Maybe, you'll just get a black eye. Well, I mean, it's it's a line and we can argue about. Fuzzy even even when you're driving the road, the speed limit's fifty five can go sixty two and not get a ticket. We moved the line all the time to expedite to intimidate I'm comfortable with it. Yeah. Yeah. That's fine and maybe it makes me a soft millennial as you. I think that the line should be should be during the course of play hard fouls, a little extra elbows leaning all that stuff totally inbound market, the sideline camera angle of this, the clippers make shot. Marcus Morris takes a beeline to Luke Luke of what pick them up, ninety, four feet, and then you try to flat tire is bad ankle i. Draw the line somewhere that you draw the line anything short of what happened in the movie, the program evidently, and so that's that's I'm sorry, not the program, the last boy scout that's your prerogative I assume it's you're tough. You're tough upbringing in the Pacific was very rough, very tough childhood in the Pacific Northwest. So now you have to admit last night. The ceiling of the clippers. Lord very high I mean now I mean Lakers was nice. But we know we know who's not going to do that. Again when I looked at the clippers I, think I could get this five or six times in a series with the Lakers I know that coups MC ACP Danny Green Dwight Howard Javale, McGee all GonNa play great in the same night because they don't do that during the season didn't this feel like Oh that's. Duplicate that multiple times if you're the clippers. Oh listen their ceiling always been super high the problem as they haven't shown a willingness to give the requisite effort consistently to reach that ceiling and you might love the clippers as a basketball team but you'd hate them as an employee or co worker because I know enough about you to know okay. You're a super high ceilings great. But what are you give me day in day out? What can I rely on from? You and the clippers are not a reliable team. They're just flatly not they were up twenty one in the second quarter of game four and they blew the whole thing. They blew the game off almost and game five there twenty one in the second quarter of game five and they blew the mavs out. So are you are you fully confident? You're going to get that level of effort in game six because I'm not like. The clippers come and go and we heard doc say it. So I agree with you. It wasn't this was their biggest game of the year and they showed that win they all show up how dangerous they can be. But we've had seventy five games of clippers basketball this year, and they've shown that few and far between at least to me compared to what you get from the Lakers, who the actual favorites. So I don't worry about the rockets I think it's a pretty even series without Westbrook who gives a real energy late in games hard and looked a little gas a little bit in the last game but I think they'll win this game. But. You know I'm GonNa. Ask You the question I I don't like asking questions. I know the answer but I have a feeling I know what you're gonNA say but I want to ask it anyway. If Houston, does not get through this series and hardened. Did look tired the other night. Can I. Make the argument that Harden is the greatest score in in twenty years in the League. But, he may not be a championship level based on his style and based on the current length of the season. That you can be great but not not a guided necessarily is going to win titles, 'cause I watch him and I think that this is not GonNa win. This is not going to change, but it's because we're thirty eight a game is that a fair criticism? I think. It's a reasonable criticism even if I disagree with it and here if you can be in. If you can be the vegas favorite to win the title. Playing, that style you can win the title and twenty eighteen up three to they were the vegas favorite. If you can be up fifteen in game seven of a conference finals against an all time team without your second best player playing that style, you can win and title-winning playing now they they haven't, and so people will always be able to throw that out there i. think that's been more circumstantial and I don't think they're going to win it this year and he's getting older not younger but I think when it comes to the rockets and when it comes to harden. Sometimes. The old Bill James Thing, which is teams have a bad habit of blaming their best players when things go wrong. In the NBA, we expect the best of the best to step up but something very interesting is going to happen. Colin and. I'm very curious to see what the media does with this, which is Damian Lillard whose team was below five hundred. This year played the Lakers in the first round of the playoffs and lost five James Harden team wins fifty some games every year is going to play the Lakers in the second round of the playoffs and probably losing six or seven, and somehow this year is going to elevate dame. And denigrate heart. Dame's GonNa get more credit for his team. Almost getting to five hundred squeaking into the playoffs and getting blasted off the floor than harden is for once again, making it through the first round once again, averaging thirty plus a game, and then just not quite getting over the hump like if People WanNa say listen harden isn't Lebron he's not K. D. One could argue is not even. But other than that those three guys, those are the only guys that we know and I guess throw stepping as well that they can be the best player on a championship team in the entire league and so I feel like if you're comparing hard to anybody else he stacks up pretty famous now that I think it's a fair argument. stylistically, we like dame. And staff more than harden stylistically. But hard and right now is the more durable player and the better player. I think that's a very I'm going to end it on that because that's that's a very good point after I mean I really took you to the woodshed for a couple of topics. So I like you ending on a positive note because as you to support your mentor. I don't feel like bullying you on the show. Accidental. Told told America, you try to kneecap me I was coming for your job. Hey, I thought he was I thought it was coincidental. I got shipped out to New York. Out The old Machiavellian Callard. Working behind the scenes. OAS Meg. Ryan. Good see anybody first things first. CONGRATS on your new teammate show looking sound. Great. All right. Coming up next the San Francisco Forty niners. Show you how it's done. The Dallas Cowboys Show you how it's not done. That is coming up next. Be Sure to catch live editions of the heard Weekdays at noon eastern nine am Pacific new Website Neum, N. O. M.. Free trial, check it out neum dot com slash her it's about health goals inhabits. Tools you need to psychologically change eating habits and interesting. Check that out yesterday neum dot com slash her. So. One of the things I really like about sports. It's getting smarter. Or like that. It's preserving players rules. You know the Training Smarter The coaching smarter analytics has gotten, smarter. And the early adapters, the teams that get that like the warriors and the Patriots that Kansas, city that get the analytics and don't get stubborn. Wildfire. Cubs won it on analytics Red Sox won titles. They were early adapters. Now they're rebuilding but for years YANNI's after watching the Red Sox, they were not into analytics then poured in two thousand eighteen made the biggest analytic department in Major. League. Baseball. San Francisco Kyle Shanahan very much in a data. Yesterday on Earl. Thomas. He said Not Interested. No pause no hesitation. No filter. Now. Not Initially. Jerry? Jones denied they were not interested because Jerry wanted to make it known that it was his call and these reports out there Jerry, keep the story alive. Jerry created distraction in year with a new coach. No preseason when distractions could be mushroomed into much bigger issues. Jerry is not quite into the data thing in A. Very funny. Maybe it's a Dallas thing I read a story this morning they calm thirty thousand dollar millionaires Dallas is a city that kind of flaunts what it owns and flaunts that's kind of the reputation. It was very interesting story. It's called home sweet home of the thirty thousand dollar millionaire and the Mayor of Dallas was acknowledging he said, we're both rich an were poor. We flaunt what we have. That's fine. But what's funny is sports is getting smarter and it's more data. And it's less vanity and it's more analytics. It's less ego and it's more about what the numbers say. Not What your owner thinks and I and I watched this story with Earl Thomas. And San Francisco just squelched it. Sandwiches goes really good. Super Bowl bubble earl. Thomas came out. It probably is a safety didn't give it just get it out. No Dallas. Let's talk about it and I i. really do think this is why I've Kinda sold my stock Dallas. Cowboys. Is that. The first round of the draft Dallas did not need a wide receiver. What did they do had multiple needs on their team's gonNA flashy wide receiver. It's about brand. It's about excitement. It's not about data didn't tell you that was the best decision they had. Michael Gallup. Bob They had at the time. They have a Murray Cooper. They've got a great line. They got offense wasn't there issue. They can't stop anybody. In their secondary loss multiple players and their defensive line has one really highly paid player that kind of but not really and the cross their fingers on Van Ration Jalen Smith's health. But increasingly when I in this is funny about this. And I've seen this for a long time in sports. We always fear big markets and the big brands because we think is sports fans. It's unfair. New York's got all the advantages. The advantage to being the colts and the Green Bay packers and the Oklahoma City? Thunder. And the Kansas City chiefs and the New Orleans, saints and the Buffalo Bills in the Baltimore Ravens and not being in these rich markets and these massive cities the advantage to is every employee knows. You've got to save your pennies. You gotta work a little harder. Look in sports right now in America. The new. York. Giants The New York jets the New York Knicks The New York mets a mess. Shouldn't Ashikaga got a couple of things going on but. Bears we keep waiting bulls at washing Washington. Seven, biggest city in the country. The Washington football teams amass I mean. The Wizards. Dallas the Lakers in the Yankees are the three biggest brands in American sports Dallas in the Lakers. Late to analytics more about ego and vanity where the titles were the where they in fact, the last great titled. Dallas had was mark Cuban an analytic guy and not flashing showy a billionaire that whereas t shirts and cheap tennis shoes two games mark Cuban is the opposite of Jerry. He's like t-shirts Let's his players be. Stars. Low Key, very much in a analytics all analytic. That's the last title analysis and I think what's happening in spite and by the way the Yankees for years and years a lot of vanity playing a hunch overspending, and then they watched the rival Red Sox start picking up titles without their budget didn't have close to the Yankee budget and they were doing analytics and then the Yankees in two thousand eighteen. Okay. Now for this and poor their money back into it, that's why when you can get the combination of big market and analytics like the dodgers have seven division titles in a row, the dodgers have won a world series. They have passed on so many big contracts until Mookie Betts, they passed on a lot. So when you can get the big glamorous market, the Boston Red Sox a big market, and they're in analytics Chicago cubs in the analytics Boston Patriots into analytics. San Francisco's the fourth biggest market in the country San Francisco. Bay area very much in analytics. That's when it's great when the big market got the advantages of free agents and money and power and prestige, they go into it but it's amazing how often the big flashy brands are late to the Lakers relate to a Dallas as late to a dallas is still too many vanity games and EGO Games. The Yankees were laid to it initially. So. Kyle Shanahan just squash Earl Thomas Dallas's. Elevating that story I mean that's that's the difference to me. That's the difference in organizations. It's the off season. It's the nonsense. It's the daily radio shows for owners Lord our next.

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Oh where's Isaiah Thomas de how we doing good? I'm back a little bit of a low rider right. Let me see if I can get here. Set up one second. Let me see if I can get this bill higher yes rate. Can we get it all right? Thank you down. I'll come to lock down off starts. He's the biggest guy on the courthouses. He's question I'm used to being a little guy. Yeah so good to have you here with us. Happy to be in your city guys ready to talk a little doing all right. You know where we're starting the west coast. The Lakers won their seventeenth consecutive road game versus a Western Conference team last night in an OT thriller in Denver. Lebron became the fourth player to report. Twenty triple doubles in Lakers. History and King James and Anthony Davis became the third pair of Lakers teammates with thirty points and ten rebounds in a game in the last twenty seasons Stephen. A SMITH GOES LEBRON AND AD. Enough to get the Lakers to the finals. Other teams have been making moves. Yes they are but they'll have to bring their eight games in order to pull it off. You Know Ma. Position has been consistent from the standpoint that I had the Lakers going to the finals because I said those dynamic that those two guys Lebron and an eighty or two of the top five players on the planet earth and they bring their game. They should be able to do it now the other day where you saw on TV you saw me sit up there. Do My Austin powers. You know all of that other stuff. Why because the Clippers Got Marcus? Morris Additional defender on Lebron James. Sort of the path to the finals seems that much more daunting. I don't think you know. What the clippers from top to bottom. I believe that argument could be made. They're the better team. My only point is the reason. Why don't have two completely deviate from? Opposition is because it goes back to what I said from day. One Anthony Davis and Lebron James or two of the top five players on the planet earth. If they bring their a game in the sport of basketball where you have to superstars that play like superstars. I'm sorry that can be enough to get it done. There's a lot of questions about the Lakers right now. Because we're questioning thirty five years of age. Seventeen year in the league in part of Lebron James along with a four headed monster in La. Right there in la with the clippers who could assist in guarding him in the case of Anthony Davis. We had him right here on. I takes and we were talking about how cats were looking at them. Because I had gosling clippers say to me. We got five dogs before they acquired Marcus wars. We got five dogs. They might only have one okay. So that's what they were saying but the point is with all of that said Anthony Davis why they're not calling them because they know he's an all world talent but they believe they could compromise and if they get physical with them which brings us back to my original point if he plays like an all world play you and Lebron plays like an all world players in the sport or basketball. That should be enough to get you to the front. They have to top five players. No excuses and I'm a Lakers fan. By the way. Can we talk about the Michael Jordan? Scottie Pippen Chicago Bulls for a second. Let me tell you why. Let me tell you why. It's not gonNA be enough for the Lakers this year because as much as people were talking to one of the all greats right here in Isaiah Thomas as much as people always try to make it about the point guard in the big in the NBA and throughout history. What brings you success. The most success any team has ever had is the Chicago Bulls Jordan Pippen Dynasty. And when you look at that dynasty it was to attack dogs perimeter guys who could defend and score who could shoot and take it to the whole who had an overall game two of them stick. Stick's six eight. That is the formula so I can. You can tell me about. You can tell me about Patrick Beverley. Who's tremendous love Patrick? Beverley Lou Williams when you talk about dogs. He's a dog on offense usually think about defense. He's a dog on offense. You could talk. About Doc rivers and coaching and all these things with the clippers but they have co why Leonard and Paul George. It's the closest thing. The League has to perimeter guys like that. Since Jordan and Pippen Kawai elevates under oppression. He's the guy when the chips are on the line Isaiah. You can talk about this because you were at chips on the line type player the Greek freak get shut down. Who Do you want the shot against Philadelphia gets me? Who Do you want? Put them up against Kawhi with the chips on the line. It's not GonNa go good. Teach them and both the US kind of right. But where where? I see the Clippers. Have in a really distinct advantage yet is because of the identity defensive identity that they've yet to develop but at least they know exactly what they want to be. I think the Lakers are still a work in progress. They're talented enough to win. But I still think they're working progress. I don't think that they really solidified who they are what they want to be. I know they want to be champions. But when I look at the clippers I look at. I see a game plan in terms of behind the bench doc rivers trying to instill that mentality of toughness defense wins championships so forth and so on. I do believe their offense will kick in but at the end of the day. I like. You believe that. The clippers have the most talented roster. I think the Lakers right now are still trying to find that toughness. That person who's GonNa bring them that type of toughness Lebron. I look at clearly. The best players talent talent. But when you look at their toughness in their identity. I don't think the Lakers have really that valid. That's why like the clippers from the beginning of the season because when you try to throw it together and you have to push all your resources into the on together. Ad And you bring these new guys together. It takes like a season or two to get the details right the role players to figure out. What you the Clippers won forty eight games and then just drop coli and Paul George on the team they want forty eight games last year with asterik beverly and those guys at Doc rivers the coach. How are you going to add that biles? Mvp at a guy who was in every conversational. Forty-eight went team inspected me. I said let me answer that question. Here's what I miss him. When you look at the Los Angeles Clippers. Yes you are dropping those guys into it but there's a lot for them to figure out as well because you have to additional bodies that you have to appease now defensively got they're gonNA come together but offensively. You know what you gotta do that as well. Plus you've got the load management issue and you're talking about chemistry karate all of those kind of things. You gotta work that way in. The case of the Los Angeles Lakers. What you do you dropped. Anthony Davis into the mix. It's just that simple so it's not that complicated. Here's where it gets complicated for. The Los Angeles Lakers when Lebron James is in a game. Their offense is fluid in a leaked. Lebron James has the ball in his hands. You're running your pick and roll frank. Vogel is accustomed to coaching debts. And they look sublime. Here's the problem. The second he goes out of the game. Who Do you have all which are which is why everybody was talking about Russia? Rondo or or or schrader but Oklahoma City. How you needed to get one of those guys. You didn't do that. Then you were praying that grows 'cause they grow derrick rose and trade demonstrator. It did not only that you also had. He was hoping to get Darren Collison. He elects not to come out of retirement so now what we have situation as with Lebron with a d you know. Who is the key? Gotha Lakers Rajon Rondo. Because when he comes off the bitch he has to be able to give you something others from as you brought this up and I suspect you appreciate this. Lebron James in a Lakers uniform. You could see how much it's Michael Magic had a baby. You can see the Magic Johnson and Lebron really come out ten plus assists a game and all that stuff. Let Steven A. Magic Johnson's not shying away from a confrontation coup. Why is coming for Lebron yesterday but did not answer the Bell Opening Day? He did not answer the bell on Christmas. He's GonNa have to answer the bell. Four Co why I think in the Western Conference. Lebron is smart enough to to know win to say win. And we've seen that In the playoffs so regular season I still think he's sizing up Kawai in terms of what he can and what can't do come playoff time. What we've seen time and time again elevates there's a different Lebron James that shows up in the playoffs been what we've seen in the regular season so he has the ability to study. He's very cerebral. In terms of what he's looking at how he positions the one thing. I still question though about the Lakers which I think has always been even when magic was winning and Kareem was there and every people have always questioned the Lakers toughness and coming from an east coast team the Celtics the Pistons. We always believe like the seventy sixers that if you play physical with a showtime Laker team. That's how you get to and I think that's what the clippers doc rivers have in the East Coast Mentality from a coaching standpoint. He's trying to put together a tough bass elementary. That's gotTa we gotTA GET OUTTA here. Let me say this leave now. Young Commercial I pay the bills but wait a minute out. West keep your eyes on. Lebron and free throws okay. You gotTA make free throws come playoff time. He's been straker second record in the NBA that behind the bucks. Isaiah is not going anywhere I started. Yes sir ever been knocked down. You know suffered a setback. Fired left out it happens. It happens a Mike. Bloomberg middle class kid worked his way through college. Got A job started a family boom fired at thirty nine would it? Mike do a lot of us. Do we got back up. Dove back in. He had an idea design a new computer able to quench data and process information in a unique way he built. He sold it. He built more. He sold more. He built a team he built a company created. Twenty thousand jobs. Bloomberg is a doer. This is Michael Douglas. I played a president and movies. This is real world. This is our world. Mike Bloomberg has takes to win in the country. 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All people are tax people. Coaching clearly has got. They think that my teams used Iraq has got. We would've bought the small Greek Freak Birth of his first child in the bucks at one. Eight hundred nine one eleven loss to the Pacers last night. The last year's MVP continues to throw impressive staff season. He's averaging thirty points per game. His three-point percentage is up as well. Huge congrats to him on the birth of his first child hall of Famer. Still here with US. Isaiah Thomas just like to say I'm. I'm glad y'all gave me like a low seat that I mean I get here. You invite me as a guest. Give me this little bitty chair what may mean than both the you start talking. I don't get a chance to talk. I mean I mean you just treated me back. I said I mean I could. They do floors yours. Man I who am I going to say I? I don't have anything to say. I just have some complaints. I mean I guess some big time complaints and now I'm addressing constructive. Tell us what you think no. I'm just saying you on me here. You put me in alert share. You know to hold his higher stuff you put your next to Mt. Holly Marlene now. I thought I was Charlie for a minute. You know meet Molly and Charlie. We just sit here and y'all just going back and forth so so what's the show about. Nah The honest the best player in the world. Right now where you have to say. Yes and the reason why I say yes is. Because he's the youngest. His team is the best. And he's the thirstiest in Hungary's Libron historically we'll be the best in this generation but when you're talking about just right now today I would. I would say John. This is the best player in the NBA. And I don't think you would get too much argument probably from any of the NBA players in terms of what he's doing what he's done with the Milwaukee Bucks last year and also this year I disagree. Let me say about Yoenis I. He's not only amazing in the regular season and I thought he was the best player in the world last year. But if you're honest his hands get a little better we can create his own shot a little more and he shoots a little better. Here's a chance to be the best player ever. He's seven feet tall and plays defense and takes it to the rack like Shaquille O'Neal Jordan. He's amazing no doubt by the way his listen. This is what P. E. R. Means Right. Don't get carried it. Just it Magic Johnson. Dunkin on everybody difficult on everybody counts hand-me-down these cysts points. It just tells you highest in history if the season ended. This is amazing. He does in the playoffs by Zeke. And you can't call someone the best player in the world when they didn't get it done in the biggest moment now. Maybe he learned from that. Maybe he'll do it this year so I saw and I know they had trees. They had Casalan. They had the Baka and could funnel in that way but also when Kawai was on a one on one he couldn't get anything done on the other hand. Why did their whole team? I'm I'M GONNA disagree with you and I'm just this right back at you because you know we we here in Chicago and Michael Jordan was the best player if not the greatest player that play but he was getting done in the first round. Okay he was getting big. Let's talk about your. He's still he's not lying well. He's the best player so I'm looking at Johnson. You SAYING JANAS LOSE TO TORONTO LOSE TO KAWAI. I mean but your honest steal the best player in the League even Steven as good as the league even though their team was Lou. I want to answer that. That would be fine if one do said I'm taking Jordan. Shut them down and that same do because killing him on the other read. Then you'd be right but that was a total team effort to try to stop one dude and it wasn't like anyone on the other team was better way. We don't know why they will be honest. No no no they have. They have five guys in the paint. Like we gotTA stop. John is when they when he took him one on one. I got it I got it I got it. Thank you get the Big Money. First of all first of all you're wrong but what else is new. Max Number two number two. Let's remember something here. This is the same Max. Cullen that had Jaanus as the number one player in the world last year on a Thursday by Sunday. He had a fifth because two games against Kawhi Leonard. That's number two with the chips number two number three. Even though nick nurse switch things up Hack Hawas on the Greek freak. The Greek freak was coming down hill at. You picked him up at half court. Crm BACA and the crew patrol the pay. What was neutralized the dribble of the Greek Freak? And that is what compromise him that does not mean that he subtly not the best player number four. We're talking about this season's the mandates averaging thirty and thirteen okay. This man's got the best record in basketball all right. They've got one of the top defense in basketball and speaking Brogden last night. His former teammate. In Milwaukee who's now with the pace. He said listen. That was a team effort. Toronto deserves credit. But let me tell you something about Jaanus key took that personally. He's on a mission and he's got a fire in his belly even even bigger than the one that had last year so the combination of politics in this moment right now not last you not a year ago two years ago not even two months from now right now tell the best gyms maybe robber heather to the bars. Play asset right. Now if you're right but we don't want from now no no but right now can't really measure because the Games are not as important as they are going to be and you may be proven right that this was his season. He hasn't done it yet. What you say about. Mj Don't let Isaiah gas you about Mj or anyone. The first time and Jay played with one other. All Star never played another all-star whole career. The first time they took you guys seven games lost Ashworth Ho time out. Give them the last word when he said got him. Speak knowing you added a game bose you talking about Scotty like you said the first time he played with an all star. I'm saying and I didn't make the vote but voted. Scotty is one of the top fifty players to ever play on my team. It was me hold on. You guys had a much better team than no no. No no no no no no UTA about anytime you talking about winning championships. And I stood up on stage with fifty supposedly greatest players ever right and I'm saying supposedly because they had me up there but everybody had one to two to three teammates. Their play with them as a top fifty. I stood up there by myself looking for my teammates. I'm not diminishing. No no no no no no two minute show you know with all start saying when you say join the first time he got an all star. Dude you got one of the top fifty. I had no. That was the first all star game. He wasn't one of the top fifty players. I'm only two years old at endured and you act like I'm like seven years older than we're talking. Your secrets about who you are played with. He was a puppy the first time he made an all star game. First Time. I'll and saying okay now. This this was about John and sit angled turn into Chicago Detroit but all I know is head to head Detroit as a better in Chicago. I'm Yanna Scott Health record. Look at the record on 'em saying thanks for having me on Hoda Spannis time out time out in fairness ties ahah Thomas Detroit Pistons the Chicago Bulls measuring stick for their greatness was predicated off of them. Finally knocking off the Pistons. Scotty coming in here to me. Scottie has asked him. Okay ask him. We will ask him. Just ask thank you so much for us to be here Steven they next time. Don't give me a good chairman and Champagne. We can buy right now. Launch Champagne report. All over Max's here is out here in the building and all star weekend we go. Were excited to be here. But we're going to talk a little baseball. 'cause we got the news to get to. We want to get your opinion on this as well. Astros pitchers catchers reported spring training. Today the team spoke today in their first official press conference since the Stein. Stealing scandal take us. Mlb also acknowledged that the players should not be punished for the failure of our leadership. The leaders enabled condone and did not stock those actions that happened. I also agree that our players should not be punished for these actions. These are great group of guys who did not receive proper guidance from their leaders we cannot change the actions of the past but we fully committed and moving forward in the right way. I'm really sorry about the choices that were made by my team by the Organization and by me I've learned from this and I hope to regain the trust of baseball fans. Okay that was team owner. Jim Crane and obviously Alex Bregman. They're apologizing Max. I'll start with you. The players were granted immunity if they cooperate with the investigation. Do think they're getting off too easy here. Maybe a little bit. I like what crane had to say a lot. With the exception of one thing the arrogance of the Astros Organization to not concede that the cheating may well have helped them win the world series. Just acknowledge it either the Yankees or the dodgers. It's pretty clear. Got Cheated out of the world series by the Astros. Let me say Astros would not have won the world series without cheating. They knew what was coming. And Jose Altuve in particular is a villain here and he's one of everyone's favorite players but see the way. Bregman just took responsibility said the team the organization and me. I still haven't heard how to do it like that. Yeah he spoke at Fan Fest. And he's an animal to keep sitting game winners. Let me remind everyone game against the Yankees. The year they got caught. This is the year in question is cheating scandals. Two thousand Seventeen Yankees lost one. Nothing at Houston then. They lost again when he said two thousand seventeen. Got It right here since two one two one. Excuse me by one run. Pardon me one run in Houston as one into then. They one by one run they lost. Excuse me the Astros. Let me start against the asked by one. Run Okay okay. Each time. They went to Yankee Stadium. They got the brakes beaten. Awesome like the Yankees. Were clearly a superior team when the cheating was taken away then they went back to Astros and they beat the Yankees twice finally with a walk off by altitude. Like what what and you knew what was coming so I wanNA hear Jim Crate saying there's no way to know. Maybe we did win. Like I understand why the owner of the team's not going to say. Yeah we would have lost but I want to take and I want to say one. More things There is an astro. Excuse me yes and Astros executives who went to the cardinals scouting guy and started stealing stuff from the Astros and bringing it to the cardinals right and you could say well. What does it have to do with the Astros Organization that he's with the cardinals now but my question is is he exporting a culture of cheating and where does it start at the very top? I think Jim Cranes a hell of an owner and by and large I liked what he just did there. I don't but okay go ahead. Let me tell you something Max Kellerman. I understand the players getting off in terms of immunity. It's important that the world no and the world ultimately learned what they did so if you had to grant immunity in order to make sure that we all became aware of this scandal. What exactly they were doing with the sign stealing scandal fine. But let's understand something that doesn't mean. You should be acknowledged as champions. It doesn't mean you shouldn't be stripped of your world series crown. It doesn't mean that you shouldn't be excoriated and sullied for arguably the rest of your career for what you did. Now you can keep your check. You could keep getting paid. But that's about it that championship trophy. That's the Houston is bogus. They're not champions. Now I'm not saying the Yankees the champions or the dodgers a champions but joe behind eight. No Damn champions you cheaters. That's really what this comes down to. Now Max let me give you the seven game series. Because if you didn't have the numbers in front of you I do game one. These bronx bombshell the Bronx. Bombers smack in home runs all over the place. All right three four and five in Yankee Stadium. They scored eight runs. Six runs and five runs. Max You know all four games it Houston Games one and two. They scored one run. They came back the game. Six scored one run. They came for game seven game seven New York Yankees. Hey Lcs Sierra. What enough that subtly. You can't score watts. Because the pitches are being alerted. The pitches in kids. They're working out of school. Cause they got the -nology in the outfield's okay tell you you understand what pitches to look for as batters for the Houston Astros. This is what was going on. It's just the greatest as it gets this. No excuse sports whatsoever you cheated and in the end. Let me tell you something right now. Baseball with their pathetic. To face the state the motives cells. This is the same league that has been Pete. Rose two lights now pete. Rose say what you want about him. As a manager who bet on Games there has never been any evidence. Max Correct me if I'm wrong. There has never been any evidence that Charlie hustle the greatest nickname in the history of sports. Because you're a star Hustling Charlie. Hustle was his name. There has never been any evidence that he did anything wrong. As a player you want to disavow any knowledge of what he did in his lustrous player career because he violated a rule on the cardinal rule of baseball. But you're going to allow a team title mass. You obviously not going to be enough to deter players from cheating moving forward. Because they didn't get punished. These baseball players will always cheat the old expression is. If you ain't cheating you ain't trying but there's a difference molly if you're cheating like cheating stealing signs hide your signs better all that stuff when you introduce technology at your home. They did that. Only you have access to. And there's no way for the other team to defend against that is the next level of cheating and Steve. I don't think they should vacate the championship. You make a hell of a case for it. That there was no champion that year that they cheated baseball out of a champion. But it surely would have been the Yankees or the Dodd. That's all I'm Ascot's. Yes aw vacate it. I'm not saying I am in no way saying that. Excuse me so. The Yankee should be crowd. Or the dodgers shot ground but the owner coming out and saying it had no impairs. Their is an address really. They should be listened. Major League Baseball. Shift Florida Houston and confiscate the championship. Finally let me want champ taking. Let me tell you what I don't like especially about Al Tubas attitude by doing what you did. And they participated organization wide. You have forfeited the right to be proud about that team. You're not allowed to publicly. Be Proud about the team your teammates or what you thought you accomplish that you're and Al to and to an extent Jim Crane are still talk about how proud they are shame. I'll give you. I'll give out too vague credit. At least he spoke. English didn't show up like Sammy. Sosa God within interpret Qinglian dollars in DR draft picks. That was the extent of the punishment company. Chinatown here Lake Michigan Avenue. Scottie Pippen here with us. We'll get done in just a minute. Silence at least with on Tuesday night. One hundred three impede each critics with twenty six points extending their home record to a league. Best Twenty five and two. Of course. We're in Chicago for all star weekend. I don't say I don't think I've ever said this other than to you. We have an Tom. Brady on the show Six time. Nba Champion thinks. Of course having with six per six. Those are pretty good. Odds thank you so much for being with US Max. Start with you can joel. Embiid be the best player on a championship team. Maybe but I don't think he's the best player on this team anymore. To tell you the truth I think and it's not this Simmons and embiid can't co exist they coexist very well. People are misunderstanding. What I'm saying about this. They are better with two. All Star almost superstars on the same team. That would only one. I get that my arguments always been that. In order for Simmons to fully become what he might become he needs his own team built around him the way the Greek freak has a team built around him definitely isn't a freak. One of them is Simmons has better handle and he's an even better check by ask you a question because this was a bad. Thank you confused. People come down to normal levels the rest of us. Just come down because this down without my help us so if you believe that they work well together right. I understand your point about Ben Simmons needing to be separate from Joel. Abi To be the best he can be but I thought it was about winning and if they work well together. Why should that matter? I think they'll win even better the way the bucks are doing now if they build a team around simcoe unlock as potential. Give you an example K. Not that the bulls were would ever be better without Michael Jordan right but it was unclear to some. Just how Great Scottie? Pippen was when he was in his prime. Because he's playing with Michael Jordan but what happened when Jordan retired. Look you guys rob. The next officials rob the Knicks on that Charles Smith playoff. Then you've got robbed the next year like with you when when when you are the best player on the team. You should have gone to the finals and I thought you were one of the two best players in the NBA along with the lodge and that was obvious but it was less obvious when you were playing with Jordan. Because you didn't have your own team now in that case that's different because you guys worked well together in this case. I don't even know the M beat. Is the best player on the team anymore. It's Simmons Hustling on defense at Simmons. Making the offense Scotty Slim while I do think that in some of this part of the best player on the Philadelphia Team because he does so much and makes all the players better he allow other players to flares because of what he can do as a basketball player like Lebron very dominant on offense of in a Lotta Downhill. He's one of those guys that when the floor is open he were flers and when embiid is in there he does. Kinda hold. Ben Simmons back a little bit because he doesn't have that space but I do think those two players can exist together they can win together and obviously would have twenty five and two at home. They're they're proving they can exist. Well let me help you both both the Yellow Room. And here's the reason why because y'all ain't answering the question because MAC switched it up. This is not a question of. Who's the best player or the sixers? This is not a question as to whether or not Ben Simmons could be the best player. This was a specific question about Joel embiid and not on a six. Can he be the best play on a championship team? I would make the argument. No because of the ever. We're living in. The game has changed so because the game has changed. It's gotten a bit softer. It's more perimeter oriented. It's not about the big. Don't get me wrong you shot-blocking you need an interior presence. You need those things. I'm not trying to say that you don't but the point is when you have the ball in your heads particularly if you can shoot the damn ball from beyond fifteen feet on a consistent basis if you are that guy in most instances if that's going to be the trick in today's game. The Greek freak has thicken somewhat differently. What we must understand why his motor his agility his tenacity on both ends of the floor. Has Everybody backing up from him? Going downhill that's not embiid. It never was in in terms of that mode Scotty. I think the era point is right that that counts against them be just to era. He's in the wrong era. But let me ask you something. If you design the team around them bead with like a Damian Lillard or players that space it the right way keep still may be the best player on the team maybe not Lillard but Kemba Walker someone. He's still may be the best player on the team and they could maybe win a championship. But that's not this team. I think the best player on this team is Simmons and I think they need to be the best to win. The chip agree with you. Max In this area the game is built more or the perimeter players is not designed for big snow. Mb is not a Shaquille O'Neal Shaq was a dominant player. And it's the difference is a difference but so in other words Ya'll agreeing with best player and the most dominant player right to the innocence is the best player but embiid has not shown that he's a dominant player system. So the point is that once again. That's why I say. The answer is no can't be beat the best player on a championship. I could give you so we hold on your team where you would agree the best player on that team and given the roster. They probably win the championship. Grassley deal better than entities. You just your opinion is Bradley. Beal better than EMBIID is Bradley. Beal better than be probably not no.

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Who's the best duo in NBA history?

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Who's the best duo in NBA history?

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Because I said those dynamic door shut those two guys Lebron and and ad or two of the top five players on the planet earth and they bring their game. They should be able to do it now the other day where you saw me on TV you saw me sit up there Austin powers you know you know all of that other stuff. Why because the Clippers Got Marcus Morris? That's an additional defender on Lebron. James sort of the path to the finals. Seems that much more daunting? I don't think the clippers from to bottom. I believe it ought to be made there the better team. My only point is the reason why I don't have to completely deviate from our position is because it goes back to what I said from day. One Anthony Davis and Lebron James are two of the top five players on the planet earth. If they bring their a game in the sport or basketball where you have to superstars that play like superstars. I'm sorry that can be enough to get it done. There's a lot of questions about the Lakers right now because requesting thirty five years of age seventeen in the league in a part of Lebron James along with a four headed monster in La right the La with the clippers who cook assistant guarding him. In the case of Anthony Davis. We had him right here. I take it we were talking about. How cats were looking at him. Because I had on the clippers. Say to me. We got five dogs before they acquired. Marcus we got five dogs. They might only have want okay. So that's what they were saying but the point is with all of that said if the Davis Wi calling them net because they know he's an all world talent but they believe they could compromise and if they give physical with them which brings us back to my original point if he plays like an all world player and Lebron plays like an all world players in the sport basketball. That should be enough to get you to the first day of two top five players excuses. And I'm a Lakers fan. By the way. Can we talk about Michael Jordan? Scottie Pippen Chicago Bulls for a second. Let me tell you why. Let me tell you why. It's not gonNA be enough for the Lakers this year because as much as people were talking to one of the all time greats right here in Isaiah Thomas as much as people always try to make it about the point guard in the big in the NBA and throughout history. What brings you success. The most success any team has ever had is the Chicago Bulls Jordan Pippen Dynasty. And when you look at that dynasty it was to attack dogs perimeter guys who could defend and score who could shoot and take it to the whole who had an overall game two of them. Six six six eight. That is the formula so I can. I can tell me about. You can tell me about Patrick Beverley. Who's tremendous love Patrick? Beverley Lou Williams when you talk about dogs. He's a dog on offense usually think about. He's a dog on offense. You can talk about Doc rivers and coaching and all these things with the clippers but they have co y Leonard and Paul George. It's the closest thing. The League has seen to to perimeter guys like that. Since Jordan Pippen and Kawai elevates under pressure. He's the guy when the chips are on the line. You can talk about this because you were a chips on the line type player the Greek freak get shut down. Who Do you want the shot against Philadelphia gets made? Who Do you want? Put them up against with a chips on the line. It's not GonNa go good. Teach Him Isaiah. Both of you are Kinda right but where I see the clippers having a really distinct advantage yet is because of the identity the defensive identity that they've yet to develop but at least they know exactly what they want to be. I think the Lakers are still a work in progress. They're talented enough to win. But I still think they are working progress. I don't think that they really solidify who they are what they want to be. I know they want to be champions. But when I look at the clippers I look at. I see a game plan in terms of behind the bench with doc rivers trying to instill that mentality of toughness defense wins championships so forth and so on. I do believe their offense will kick in but at the end of the day. I like you believe that. The clippers have the most talented roster. I think the Lakers right now are still trying to find that toughness. That person who's GonNa bring them that type of toughness. I Look Lebron. I look at a clearly. The best players talent talent. But when you look at their toughness in their identity. I don't think the Lakers have really developed their ideas. Why like the clippers from the beginning of the season because when you try to throw it together and you have to push all your resources into the Chin- together ad and you bring these new guys together? It takes like a season or two to get the details right the role players to figure out what you the Clippers won forty eight games and then just drop Kawai Paul George on the team they want forty eight games last year with Patrick Beverley and those guys at Doc rivers the coach GonNa add that vitals. Mvp had a guy who was MVP conversational. Forty-eight went team. Let me let me answer that question. Here's what I think you miss them. When you look at the Los Angeles Clippers. Yes you are dropping those guys into it but there's a lot for them to figure out as well because you have to additional bodies that you have to appease not defensively. They've got going to come together but offensively you know what you gotta do that as well. Plus you've got the load management issuing. You're talking about chemistry Kerala. Those kind of things. You gotta work that way in the case in Los Angeles Lakers what you do you dropped. Anthony Davis into the mix. It's just that simple so it's not that complicated for. Here's where it gets complicated for. The Los Angeles Lakers when Lebron James is in a game. Their offense is fluid and elite. Lebron James has the ball in his hands. You're running your picket role. Frank Vogel is accustomed to coaching. That's and they look sublime. Here's the problem. The second he goes out of the game. Who Do you have all which are which is why everybody was talking about Russia? Rondo or Schrader Foot Oklahoma City. How you needed to get one of those guys. You didn't do that. Then you were praying. That'd be Cros because they grow. Derrick rose and trade demonstrated. It did not only that you also had A. You're hoping to get Darren Collison. He elects not to come out of retirement so now what we have situation is with Lebron with a d. You know who is the key? Gafa the Lakers Rajon Rondo. Because when he comes off the bitch has to be able to give you something others say as you brought this up and I suspect you appreciate this. Lebron James in a Lakers uniform. You could see how much it's Michael Magic had a baby. You can see the Magic Johnson and Lebron really come out ten plus assists a game and all that stuff but Steven A. Magic Johnson's not shying away from a confrontation coup. Why is coming for? Lebron abroad did not answer the Bell Opening Day. He did not answer the bell on Christmas. He's going to have to answer the bell for Co why I think in the Western Conference. Lebron is smart enough to to know win to say win. And we've seen that in the playoffs so regular season. I still think he's sizing up. Kawai in terms of what he can and what he can't do come playoff time. What we've seen time and time again elevates there's different Lebron James that shows up in the playoffs been what we've seen in the regular season so he has the ability to study. He's very cerebral. In terms of what he's looking at how he positions the one thing. I still question though about the Lakers which I think has always been even when magic was winning and Korean was there and every people have always question the Lakers toughness and come in from an east coast team. The Celtics the Pistons. We always believe like the seventy sixers that if you play physical with a showtime Laker teen. That's how you get to him. I take your take on. Espn RADIO AND ESPN news. Jason Fitz what we're asking you. Who's the best duo in NBA? History you can chime in tweet us at Jason Fitz. You can also call triple eight say. Espn eight seven to nine. Three seven. Seven six I take your take brought to you by linked to build your winning team today. Go to Lincoln Dot Com Slash Sports Mike and North Carolina. Thanks for calling. We've heard a little bit of I take. I want your take best duo in. Nba History is. My opinion would be Shaq and Kobe. Not Not due to Kobe. Being in the newest certainly lately but I would just say if you took those two individuals to onto against any other greats if you took Michael and Scotty surely I believe Kobe and Michael Michael. Cancel each other out. But Scotty certainly isn't GonNa Guard or be able to take Kerr Shack on. I'd also say eighty and and Lebron James I don't believe could do up against them. The only one. That might be a trick. There would be magic Karim but I think if it was a make it take it situation and Kobe and Shaq had the ball. I don't know if they'd ever give it up. I love the playground. The playground analysis of any of these guys trying to cover shack. I mean just. The size differences spectacular. Kristen Ohio give us your take best duo in NBA history. I'm on to go with Stockton Malone. They didn't win the championships but they played so well together. You know they had the most he had the number one most assists an MBA and malone had number two scoring. Now they couldn't beat Jordan and pippen together to to match up. But you put Jordan with anybody you know that's GonNa be a great match up. I mean I. I love the fact that we're getting into the match of conversation honor to I mean I'm all for that all right Twain in Maryland. Giving me what I thought was going to be the most popular answer to this. We're getting a little of this on twitter twain who you got who's the best duo in NBA history for my money. I'M GONNA money on it. It's going to be Jordan Pippen all day. But there's one and I'm GONNA trip you up on this one Dunkin and pop now. It's Kinda of like the the NBA version of Brady and Bella check They won multiple NBA Championships. And there was really like a rotating staff around dunk. It really wasn't David Robinson is mostly Tim Duncan so give me Dunkin and pops rain and and I think that's at least in the top five. It's my fault for not making the question. Clear when you start bringing in coaches. I'm all for it though. I love the inside. Their winco going to be live Friday from Chicago for the NBA. All Star game. I'll be out there brought to you by marathon no matter where your travels take you. Marathon can improve your engine performance with quality top tier gasoline marathon. Fueling the American spirit. Now question is which do oh was fueling the NBA. Today all right. We'RE GONNA keep getting your calls on the best duo in history and your thoughts on it but NBA analyst. Scottie Pippen who obviously is going to be on. Everybody's mind with our conversation today. A sat down with maximum Stephen and they broke down the best duo in the NBA. Right now. Who's the best tandem in the NBA? Right now Scotty. I got to go with Lebron Eighty. I think the most obvious they`re. They're they're very tough match-up a lot different than myself. Michael. Because they're more looked at as bigots and we looked at as perimeter guards but there are truly dominating the game right now and I think they're the toughest matchup for anybody night in night out. I disagree Scotty. I think the toughest dual is the one that most resembles you and Mike. I think Paul George are the toughest to when it matters. Most regular season gets even when it matters most the history of the NBA is actually the most valuable player. You can have when you look at upper crust of the greatest of the greatest when you look at the greatest tandem. Which was you and Mike. Two two way players who are perimeter players. You Say Guards. I think of it more like guard. Forward like two threes two to three types who can do everything who can switch who can guard multiple positions who can shoot from the outside hit their free throws take it to the rack hookup. Their teammates play great defense. They're the most versatile and when you have two guys like that both operating on an MVP level on a five star level not a four star also a five star. Mvp both players playing on the MVP level. I would say this Paul George. Before he got hurt was one of the having a top five on talking right now this these anticipating that when the playoffs come. That's where they're going to be. Let me say this to both. Y'All first of all you and I agree is definitely Lebron. Adp they're two of the top five plays on the planet. Lebron James Walks around at two fifty locomotive coming at you and Anthony. Davis is just all world at six eleven. Now there's some you can compromise physicality but in terms of his skill set and what he brings to the table. There's no denying here's what I would say because I love me some Paul George. I Love Paul George but we need to understand something here. Twenty thirteen twenty. Fourteen was his coming out party in that second Eastern Conference you remember when he was in the back to back births against Miami with Lebron D. Wade in those boys all right and they lost to them right one time. The second time around he was averaging twenty. Two and seven is coming out party when he yanked nasty dunk. It in Lebron was going at each other and they DAB to one another and all of that stuff. That was his coming out. Party had a nasty injury in the summer competition getting ready to breath for the Olympics and then obviously fell off a little bit before coming back on the average twenty. Eight in the postseason OPOLE. George has not been out of the first round since two thousand thirteen twenty fourteen. Let's understand something here. We can look at Paul George and know that he's a star and incredibly appreciate what he brings to the table along Kawai limits. But there's levels to this and when you let it a Anthony Davis and I know that when you look at these days six eleven shot blocking ability rebound and ability inside outside even when he has a bad game. You look at it number. Twenty eight second banana wisdom better than Paul George as a second banana. Oh you're trying to stay calm is ahead. Lebron no doubt and also he's not prime also become of two-way attack wing players too much so at the end of the day. You have the clippers coming out of the Stephen A. You're kind of on clippers. Marcus Morris you said that dogs. Now I'm not giving up on. Lake is gonNA take got the clippers coming off the west. I mean the Lakers have yet to prove that they can beat the team this year. That's right that's fair and until I see that and I'm not changing box in the east. Yeah I like books in the East but I'M NOT GONNA Count Toronto team that I think is gonNA surprise people. I think Dottie. Let's say Hawaii never left Toronto? Who GETS OUT OF THE EAST SO this Toronto team that you're not counting? Who gets out of the wrong to now? He's on the clippers. We're all going with. The clippers are already built a culture that we've solved them a team that to be having everybody wants to give it up took a while you act like Max we're talking about is not one of the top five players in the world. We know how great he is but guess what even though he's defense and he's an elite defender offensively. He scores when you think about all the things that Lebron James brings to the table and took a scoring system. What have you and leading and when you look at it. The fact that he has Davis. I'm saying we're about to find out I or go wild linnet. Come an excellent passer. I just want to say when Lee represented the balance of power in the NBA. Because okay see and the words both really good. Everyone gave it up for K. Den as the as the number one guy like a lot of people he was healthy we would be having to hold onto. Why why is it when the balance of power wherever he goes? He's the finals. Mvp collided is if you want if you want to look at it that way you even acknowledge again listen. I didn't even need K. D. healthy last year if Klay Thompson never guide her. I believe Golden State around stay without K. D. I believe they would have beat Toronto. So my point is you can sit up there and say that about while you want to. I still got questions. We'll find out this shit real quick before we go do you. Is there any tandem right now? That could challenge you and Michael. No I mean he's a Senate right there but you guys don't agree best duo in NBA. History Bob in New Hampshire. We've heard some I take what's your take on the best do an MBA history. Hey you know before. There was Scotty and Michael before they were showtime. It was a real showtime in Boston cousy and Russell. I liked to dip back there. I I liked it he went. You Know Bob in New Hampshire obviously going with the Celtics but come on. 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Now I'm talking about of all time and it is alarming. How many different answers we are getting to this question. Triple eight say. Espn eight eight eight. Seven two nine three seven seven six. Don't forget you're going to tell me. Tell me who you also have to tell me why you can also tweet me at Jason Fitz. I take your take brought to you by Shell. V Power Nitro plus premium gasoline. Steve in Orlando. We've heard a little. I Take Steve. I want your take best duo in. Nba history is unknown. Spicer up and give you the Oscar Robertson and little Al Synder. I mean that's all right. That's a great wine on that one because a young lew alcindor I think a handle. At no problem he'll block his shot. And he's got that unstoppable show. I mean that just makes sense. I think that's the hardest part about this because I even have to say for me as a life. I grew up a lakers. Fan have been a Lakers fan. My whole life this argument. This discussion is difficult. Because I keep thinking about how stinky good those both teams with with Michael Scottie. Made and it was just. They were so good. It's just hard for me to separate that portion of it. I mean I feel like even though my phantom wants to say Koby an Shack I. I don't know that I can go against you. Know Scotty and Michael but then again you start talking about the greats. In the legends it goes to a whole `nother level of speaking of duos. There's a pretty good one in Philly with embiid and Simmons. They obviously take everybody's attention with everything they do. The question is can Joel. Embiid be the Best Player on a championship caliber team now. Espn analyst Scotty. Pippin join Maxon Stephen. Eight to talk about embiid and the ceiling on a championship team. I do think that in some of those probably the best player on the Philadelphia Team because he does so much and he makes all the players better he allow other players to flourish because of what he can do as a basketball player. A light like Lebron very dominant on offense van. A lot of downhill He's one of those guys that when the four is open he will I am and when embiid is in there he does Kinda Hold Ben Simmons back a little bit because he doesn't have that space but I do think those two players can exist together. They can win and obviously would have twenty five and two record at home. They're they're proving that they can exist. Well let me help you. Also both the yellow wrong. And here's the reason why because y'all ain't answering the question because Max switched it up. This is not a question of. Who's the best player on the sixers? This is not a question as to whether or not Ben Simmons could be the best play. This was a specific question about Joel. Embiid and not on the sixers. Can he be the best play on a championship team? I would make the argument. No because of the ever. We're living in. The game has changed so because the game has changed. It's gotten a bit softer. It's more perimeter oriented. It's not about the big. Don't get me wrong. You Shot Blocking. You need an interior presence. You need those things. I'm not trying to say that you don't but the point is when you have the ball in your hands particularly if you can shoot the damn ball from beyond fifteen feet on a consistent basis if you are that guy in most instances if that's going to be the trick in today's game the Greek freak has us. They can somewhat differently but we must understand why his motor his agility his tenacity on both ends of the floor. Has Everybody backing up from him? Going downhill that's not embiid. It never was in beat in terms of that mode Arabesques. Scotty I think the era point is right that that counts against NBA era. He's in the wrong era. But let me ask you something. If you design the team around embiid with like Damian Lillard or players that space it the right way he'd still may be the best player on the team maybe not Lillard but Kemba Walker someone. He's still may be the best player on the team and they could maybe win a championship. But that's not this team. I think the best player on this team is Simmons and I think they need him to be the best to win. The chip agree with you. Max In this area of the game is built. More for the perimeter players is not designed for big now. Mb is not a Shaquille O'Neal Shaq was a dominant player. And it's the difference is a difference but so in other words y'all being a best player and the most dominant player. Simmons is the best player but embiid has not shown that he's a dominant player in system. Yeah it says the point is that once again. That's why I say there's no can't be beat the best player on a championship tag. I could give you an hold us a team where you would agree. Embeds the best player on that team and given the roster they probably win the champ. Well Bradley beal better than you know. Your opinion is Bradley. Beal better than EMBIID is Bradley. Beal better than probably not know. If he's your to go find your one like that guy could space the floor move the ball? It's I take your take on. Espn news y'all fired up about this is we've asked you who the best duo in. Nba History is more tweeden. I can keep up with. We'll read a few of them in a second at Jason Fitz. In the meantime I WANNA get a little action in here. I want your take remember. Don't just tell me who tell me why. Let's go to Ivan in Pennsylvania. I haven't thanks for calling the show I take your take. What's your take on the best duo in NBA history Thinking Stephan and clay. They changed the game of basketball When those two are hot it's their own beatable. I mean they weren't seventy three nine together. tough to take out fully healthy. Yeah I'm surprised we're not getting more Stephan. Kleenex comes prize. We're not getting more votes for them. It just because as you mentioned they changed the way. The game's played basketball is different largely because of their success and there was a lot of it Nino in Connecticut. Giving me one I thought we get a little bit more this Nino. Who's your best duo in NBA? History I don't think they're getting enough love and they played during the eighties for me would be magic. Johnson at six forty nine. You know being a point card. It was kind of unheard of He could play every position. And then also Kareem Abdul Jabbar. He had the skies lows. That was no one can stop that and I wish that we could have seen To Lakers ten them's Kobe and Shaq vs them to indoor crimes that would offend heaven call man. I'm telling you like I'd be all in for the video game version of that. Keep THE CALLS COMING. Triple eight say. Espn eight eight eight seven nine. Three seven seven six loves some of the original answers. Big Jay on twitter says Chauncey BILLIPS and Rip Hamilton. One of the smartest players on the court and Mister big shot. One of the best bucket is in the early two thousands. It and Dumars have to be up there also can't imagine. He's a fan of getting a lot of votes for Michael and Scotty on twitter Russell and cousy get some more votes so keep the votes. Come and ask Jason. Fitz is how you get in on your thoughts on the best tool in NBA history. You can tweet me. They're also triple eight say. Espn eight eight eight seven nine. Three seven seven six we don't just have NBA stuff to discuss. Though today. The Astros spoke. What they said was a joke. We'll hear from what the committee we'll hear from what the panel thought. I'll give you a my thoughts. That's all coming up bird. Now that human resources director Fernando Pino has kronos for HR payroll talent and time. He's completely crushing it. He even has his own hype on the world. Supporting our entire workforce. Everyone has different hours. 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Kathy says I think Larry Bird and Kevin McKell should be considered. They managed to limit the Lakers throughout the decade. I'm surprised we haven't seen more votes for that. Getting a lot of Jordan and pippen votes throughout the course of it. I do love David. They'll come in and say muggsy bogues Manute Bol. I mean come on. Give me the tall in the short. I like creativity. I'm just saying also the white men can't jump. Answer was spectacular. I take your team brought to you by indeed used by over three million businesses for hiring post a job at indeed dot com slash higher. In my mind. The Astros owner Jim Crane should be posting for a new job like he should no longer get to own the astros. Today there was an abysmal. Awful terrible press conference. I can't say enough things about what the Astros did today. But I'll let you hear a little. Jim Crane and star third baseman. Alex Bregman said today. Mlb also acknowledged that the player should not be punished for the failure of our leadership. The leaders enabled condone did not stock those actions that happened. I also agree that our players should not be punished for these actions. These are great group of guys who did not receive proper guidance from their leaders we cannot change the actions of the past but we fully committed and moving forward in the right way. I'm really sorry about the choices that were made by my team by the organization and by me I've learned from this and I hope to regain the trust of baseball fans. I take your take presented by progressive insurance guests on the Shell Pennzoil performance on. You've heard what they had to say. Now here with Steven Max had have to say about the Astros. I understand the players getting off in terms of immunity. It's important that the world know and that the world ultimately learn what they did so if you had to grant immunity in order to make sure that we all became aware of this scandal. What exactly they were doing with the sign stealing scandal fine. But let's understand something that doesn't mean. You should be acknowledged as champions. It doesn't mean you shouldn't be stripped of your world series crowns. It doesn't mean that you should it be excoriated and sullied for arguably the rest of your career for what you did. Now you can keep your check. You understand. You could keep getting paid. But that's about it that championship trophy. That's the Houston is bogus. They're not champions now. I'm not saying the Yankees champions or the dodgers champions but joe behind eight no day of champions your cheaters. That's really what this comes down to. Now Max let me give you the seven game series. Because if you didn't have the numbers in front of you I do game one. He's at a bronx bombshell the Bronx. Bombers smack in home runs all over the place. Right Games three four and five in Yankee Stadium. They scored eight runs. Six runs and five runs. Max You know all four games in Houston Games wanted to they scored one runs. They came back for game. Six scored one run. They came for game seven game seven New York Yankees Zero Ford. Enough that subtly. You can't score watts. Because the pitchers are being alerted. The pitchers in there working out of school. Cause they have the technology outfields? Okay tell you you understand what pitches to look for as batters for the Houston Astros. I think you're gone. Espn radio I just went out to my instagram. And Jason Fitz. You can see a little of what I had to say about this earlier. The Astros had months to prepare their statement. They had months to get this right and Jim Crane. Their owner stood up in front of all of us. In presume that we're not smart enough to ask basic questions. Jim Crane came out in front of all of us today. He somehow managed to find a few people to blame but not himself. He took no ownership of himself and he asked us to move forward without any explanation of what happened in the past. He asked for forgiveness without any explanation of how we got there. Any asks us to believe that it won't happen again under his watch without ever explaining how it happened in the first place I could not be angry at the Houston Astros than I am right now. Remember that there was an actual monitor installed into the dugout that they were looking at so somehow the owner of the organization. That's in that stadium in around that team all the time just didn't know and now wants us to believe that it won't happen again. What we saw today were were absolutely empty. Apologies empty apologies. Based on the premise of I'm going to say I'm sorry loud enough that you'll stop asking questions and simply forgive me. I hope that doesn't happen. I have never once sat back and been more excited for a lawsuit than I am for the lawsuit right now. Civilly that the Astros are facing my hope. Is that somehow it pushes to court because it will force answers I would have given the Astros every opportunity to come out and simply say you know what we did this wrong. Here's what we did. Here's how it happened. And here's what we need to do. Better if they had come out and Ben transparent honest and own their issues then maybe we could all look at it move forward but if they're going to come out with a blanket and empty apology with zero details and zero interest in actually answering specific questions that I hope they are forced in a court of law to answer the questions in a way that absolutely destroys the future of the organization. I hope that for years they are dealing with the fallout from this because today after months of preparing they thought didn't deserve honesty. Shame on you Houston Astros. First take your take on. Espn radio that's my take. I don't get a lot of chances to get my Dick in there. I had to go off so thanks for letting me get that off my chest. In the meantime we'll keep taking your thoughts on the best duo in NBA history plus is Janas onto Gupo. The best player in the world surprising answer came. You'll hear it next.

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Is Giannis the best player in the world?

"The first take your take. Podcast is presented by iino the capital one assisted. What's in your wallet I take your take on. Espn RADIO AND ESPN news. I'm Jason Fitz presented by Progressive Insurance. I'll guess appear on the Shell Pennzoil performance line and you get to hang out with this there. It's triple eight say. Espn eight eight eight seven nine. Three seven seven six the question. We're asking WANNA know who's the best duo in NBA history? You can tweet me also. Add Jason Fitz. I take triple eight say. Espn eight eight eight. Seven two nine three seven seven six. Lend some of the creative answers here. Mark came in with just a just a picture to picture of Michael Jordan and bugs bunny. I don't know if that counts but I feel like it should count. That feels like it's a good. That's a good vote on it. They're getting a lot of votes. That are obviously for the Michael Jordan. Scottie Pippen Years Billy says best duos Dan Le Batard and stugotz. I don't think that counts in NBA history. Though as much as I love. Dannon Stu I don't think that that actually that actually moves forward so we'll see and I just think for me personally. It's too early on Lebron. Anthony Davis Stephen include them in the conversation. Although some of you guys disagree some of you guys seem to think that it's never too early. To in crew glued a little recency buys. But we're going to get some straight talk. Brought to you by straight TALK WIRELESS. I want your take on the best duo in. Nba History Straight Talk. Today came in the form of trying to figure out who the best player in the NBA is right now now. They're obviously CHICAGO WITH THE GUYS. So they get the access to a bunch of NBA legends including Basketball Hall of Famer. Isaiah Thomas. Who sat down with Mac Stephen and Molly and they had a conversation about Jaanus onto Toco. Jaanus the best player in the world right now where you have to say yes and the reason why I say yes is. Because he's the youngest. His team is the best and he's the thirstiest in the hungriest. Lebron historically we'll be the best in this generation but when you're talking about just right now today I would. I would say John is the best player in the NBA. And I don't think you would get too much argument probably from any of the NBA players in terms of what he's doing what he's done with the Milwaukee Bucks last year and also this year I disagree. Let me say about Janas I. He's not only amazing. The regular season and I thought he was the best player in the world last year. But if you honest handles get a little better we can create his own shot a little more and he shoots a little better here chest. Be The best player ever. He's seven feet tall and plays defense and takes it to the rack like Shaquille O'Neal or Jordan crime. He's amazing no doubt by the way his listen. This is what P. E. R. Means Right. Don't get carried it. Just it Max. Dunk everybody everybody calcium handling cysts points. It just tells you highest in history. If the season ended this year is amazing key. Got Done in the playoffs. By Kawais Zeke. And you can't call someone the best player in the world when they didn't get it done in the biggest moment now. Maybe he learned from that. Maybe he'll do it this year so. I saw and I know they had trees they had soul and they had the Baka and confronted him that way but also when I was on one on one he couldn't get anything done on the other hand co. I did their whole team. I'm I'm going to disagree with you and I'm going to just throw this right back at you because we we here in Chicago and Michael Jordan was the best player if not the greatest player to ever place from Man. He was getting done in the first round. He was getting beat. Let's talk about this but he's he's not lying letting the best player so I'm looking at Arniston. You saying Jaanus lose to Toronto. He lose to Kawai. I mean but Jaanus is still the best player in the League out Stephen As. Here's the league even though their team was Lou. I want to answer that. That would be fine if one dude said I'm taking Jordan and shot him down and that same do killing him on the other end. Then you'd be right but that was a total team effort to try to stop one dude and it wasn't like anyone on the other team was better way wherever you go. Why they jaanus. No no no they have they have five guys in the paint like we Gotta. Stop John. His what happened when they when he took one on one. I got it I got. I got thank this this way. You get the big money First of all first of all you're wrong but what else is new Max number two number two. Let's remember something here. This is the same Max Kellerman that had Janas as the number one player in the world last year on a Thursday by Sunday. He had fifth because a two-game against Kuwa- let it that's number two ships number two number three. Even though nick nurse switch things up pack Hawas on the Greek Freak. The Greek freak was coming down hill at you picked up a half court seok in a Bach and the cruel patrol. The pay. What collided was neutralized the dribble of the Greek Freak? And that is what cop awesome. That does not mean that he suddenly not the best player number four. We're talking about this season's. The man is averaging thirty thirteen. Okay this man's got the best record in basketball right. They've got one at a top defense in basketball and speaking abroad last night. His former teammate. In Milwaukee who's now with the Pacers. He said listen. That was a team effort. Toronto deserves credit. But let me tell you something about. Yoenis key took that personally. He's on a mission and he's got a fire in his belly even even bigger than the one that he had last year. So the combination of all those things in this moment right now that last you not a year ago two years ago not even two months from now right now tell evenly is best gyms maybe Rob Bromont be headed to the playoffs. Set Right now if you're right but we lost from now no no but right now can't really measure because the Games are not as important as they're going to be and you may be proven that this was his season. He hasn't done it yet. What you say about. Mj Don't let Isaiah gas you about Mj or anyone. The first time M J played with one other all star never played another all stars whole career the first time they took you guys. Seven games whole. Oh Oh tat chime out. They'll give them the last word when he said speak out of the game blouse. You talking about Scotty like you said the first time he played with an all-star. I'm saying I didn't make the vote which I voted. Scotty is one of the top fifty players to ever play on my team. It was me hold. You guys had a much better team than I. No no no no. No no no you talking about anytime you talking about. Winning Championships. And I stood up on that stage with the fifty supposedly greatest players ever right and I'm saying supposedly because they had me up there but everybody had one to two to three teammates. Play with them as a top fifty. I stood up there by myself looking for my teammates. I'm not diminishing. No no no no no two minute show with all star saying when you say join the first time he got an all star Dude you. He got one of the top fifty not at that time I had no. That was his first all star game. He wasn't one of the top fifty players. I'm only two years old and endured and you act like seven years older than your flavor tune into. Espn daily podcast. Bringing you a deep dive into a single-story. Espn's hundreds of reporters presented by add download subscribing review. Espn daily available. Wherever you enjoy your podcast. First take your take on. Espn radio we're asking you who the best duo in NBA. History is not right now of all time. Triple eight say. Espn eight eight eight. Seven two nine three seven seven six. You can also tweet me at Jason Fitz. Jason on twitter comes in. I just like that name said how. About Duncan and Parker Moses Malone and Hakeem Malaysian a lot of great combinations that are coming in Allen Pennsylvania. I love it when we see names that call in all the time we appreciate it. We Love Allen Pennsylvania. Give me your take for the best duo in NBA history of okay. Thanks for taking my call appreciate it first of all I want to say. I'm a knicks fan number one but my all time favorite basketball players will. That's all I can say and I gotta say about Welton Jerry West. I mean how. That's a good like that is a really good call. That's again that's what makes this really compelling and interesting because there are so many different generations. I mean my God Cherry West is he's the NBA logo. I mean there's this moment where we forget how good some of these tandems are. Now realized. Competition wasn't as level then as it is now but come on Russell Montana. Give me your best do oh in. Nba history okay. So I'm a I'm a Jordan fan through and through but I say you put Lebron and Wade together. And it's just GonNa be oops and buckets everywhere and then Wave of Scottie Pippen. Lebron can guard any of the big guys used to physical and they just dominate. Anybody about that man. I liked that Wade. Just beaten Scottie. Pippen aw man I like. I don't know that we're giving PIP enough love there. I mean that is bits of a much better player than he's getting credit for being right. Now Sean in Virginia Give Me Your best duo in NBA history. Hey Jason it's gotta be a team that you're inclined to glide. They did it. Twice in college and froze. I mean I like the fact that he brought the college into it. Also I mean come on there. There is sort of a special moment to that era in general. And we're getting the funny thing is everybody's super passionate about it in general but I I like Brandon's answer and a couple of people who've come with this and said I go penny in shock young shack and move at a faster pace to defend while penny was an amazing defender end score. So I like thinking about the previous Shack iterations also getting getting your thoughts triple eight say. Espn eight seventy nine. Three seven seven six. Who's the best duo in NBA? History Element I think. Age plays a part of this too. I mean when you're forty three it just it just stuck in my head that it's got to be Michael and Scotty even though my phantom wants it to be wants to be shack and Kobe so I don't know I'm a little torn on. Keep giving me your thoughts triple eight say. Espn eight seven to nine. Three seven. Seven six or at Jason Fitz. You can You can get the Hashtag I take in the meantime. Let's get to some straighttalk. Everything for less only at Walmart. It's it's all star weekend and part of the excitement of all star weekend means we're GONNA be talking about the other events and the other events include and not limited to the slam dunk contest that. Let's face it defined all-star we can we think about the All Star Games when you're my age you think about the dunks right well. Steven was given an impossible task and I will give the man credit. This is an impossible task. He was asked to rank the top five slam. Dunk champions of all time. Jacob Stephen as list of the top five champs y'all know what regarding communism been shot town shook the whom we understand what this is and what would I be touching on the greatest slip champion so we go get right to it. Let's get a dip but web because he he elevated do. See some of those ducks right. The brother fought eight little row. You can't be like that. He was sorting. You still call it. Okay I got to look. I can't be. I can't discriminate. What height I got to give him. Look let's go to number four four off now give it to be his brother conscious right. Houston dumped his brother was he was doing something special right. If you got to give love where love is do particularly in the modern era people forgot how to Damn Flynn. That'd be go to number three on the list. Give it to me. You know what you were doing. It was something special when the dunk contest. He's the one of the visuals that made the dunk contest. Special Your candidate Dominique Wilkins. Who argued actually beat? Michael Jordan should have had the title. But it didn't happen. We go go to twitter. Let's give it to me a slam dunk championship. Michael Jordan. Talk to that. Go make any sense. I want to be like my. He was that special but he doesn't get number one on list. You know who gets one to me? Kottayam? Cd'S BITCON would go. Look at this right here. The windmills all of this stuff with the between the legs with Tracy McGrady assistance. That was special against the one thing. I gotta give Vince Carter over Michael Jordan the slam dunk. That would be a perfect list except you left one out and I know it was an NBA. But Dr J. and the ABA and seventy-six invented the slam dunk contest. Basically with that with that free throw with the with the foul line dunk year but the handle to the rim wasn't wasn't measuring up to vent and our MJ Roy Moore so emulated Dominique. But it was a better than. I love spot inclusion on the list by the way when he did that people were amazed Robinson. That's that's because made Bob Woodson miss. I Love Make Robson but he missed thirteen hours before he made the Fort Delta and appropriate that slam dunk contest with Vince. Like Steve. Like you're so crazy to like because Jason. Richardson and a good slam. Yeah he did he did but he was. It was similar to dominate. But that was a tough life vest. Mcgrady and France. They put on a show like some of those contests like once we had. These Great Lakes. Aaron Gordon was great. That's right and stack. It's like we're when they lose. I think my list was Gordon. I've seen always have a good list because you don't want that was. The first could lose to have all my working on trying to say Stephen. Plus anytime I mean. Molly's not wrong about that. Some of the listen you're scratching your head. There's one I'm not sure. They were given enough love to Aaron Gordon. We were having the debate in the studio during the time. I mean Gordon jumped over a mascot the mascot that's arguably probably taller than Spud Webb. I mean come on. That's gotTa count for something in this list. Maybe the question is recently buys have been so. Long since we saw a great dunk and a great dunk contest. Maybe we got to wrapped up in the moment in the meantime wrapped up in the moment. Asking you guys do the best duo in NBA history again. It's all star weekend. We got duos out there. They're getting it done and we're asking everybody who the best of all time is triple eight say. Espn eight eight eight seven nine. Three seven seven six. I'm surprised we haven't seen more of and look. Maybe it's because the spurs were such rotating cast and somebody earlier called in and I. I think it was. Tim Duncan and pop as the duo which was a little bit of a creative way to do it but as Lee does ask David Robinson and Tim Duncan together. I mean That's a pretty formidable duo. And what about the Steve Nash? Inamori stottlemyre Wesley Asks for that one. So there's a couple of different Different questions ideas. Different answers coming out. I like this one from Brent. Oh because this feels like. It's a way back pullback to me maybe because the franchise isn't the same anymore in Washington give us your best duo in NBA history. Well and I I am being a little homer I get it. But for that period of time in the early to mid and late nineties there was no better highlight reel than Peyton to camp. I mean I don't think you're wrong about that. That's a good call. I love the the callback and look all of us are homers at some point when it comes to grades duo. It's whether it's our age whether it's we grew up or whether it's the teams that we grew up rooting for there is no way to do this without having some level of our homer ism influences as we continue to try and break down the best duos in NBA history again. You can keep tweeting me. Aah Jason Fitz will keep getting your thoughts on it not. I'm a little surprised. Yeah we got one. Also here. Kevin Burn had Kevin Durant and his burner. Account Fantastic duo. Oh my God. I love the humor. Several votes at this point for a white men can't jump so love. Love some of the innovative answers. We're getting also in the meantime we'll keep breaking down the best duo in NBA. History will keep getting your take on. I take your take triple eight say. Espn eight eight eight seven nine. Three seven seven six again. You can tweet me. Also add Jason Fitz. 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Eight eight seven nine three seven six or at Jason Fitz has said I take now all that comes because obviously I take is Chicago. I take. We'll be in Chicago tomorrow. So we'll live with PARV GOLICK and Wingo Golden. Can we go live in Chicago tomorrow morning? I take Chicago? I'll be hanging out there this show. We're all going to be there tomorrow. Presuming I can actually find a fight in the meantime because they're in Chicago they're joined by some of the best guests in the NBA. That included today Atlanta Hawks. All Star Guard trae young. Who came into part of the conversation about being an all star and it was a great moment for Stephen a Max and trae to be able to talk to him about it. This is what he said to molly. What did it mean to you to be voted in all star minute? Lots of me just Watson. A game growing up as a kid always dreaming about planning. The All Star game on being considered as one of the best players in the League has always been a dream of mine and my second year. So it's a blessing. And I realize that. Congratulations by the way. Congratulations because we were talking. We talked to you several times when you were still in college when you were young younger. Pro Your twenty one years old and the questions as to whether you could succeed with your style in the NBA. You're averaging twenty nine. No actually closer to thirty and nine with four and a half boards and steal by the way as a ranger were left off team. Usa Roster players who are inferior to you. Yeah because of position. What's your feeling about them? I don't know I don't know what the reason why was But for me it's a it's a I mean I don't know. It's a humbling experience. I wish I want to go and represent my country and work hard but I just let people understand that for so many years. It's like how can we get guys to WANNA play on this team? Yeah you have a twenty one year old. Averaging thirty and nine. Who'S DYING? Play for the team gets left off the roster. Yeah Yeah for me and I know so much about the history of the game and even the young guys I get to go on and just be around the the the staff and the Danes and just learn from those guys don't make the roster just going out there and competing and and learn from those guys so when the next Olympics and all that comes up I mean. You're you're there in your ear in the system and you're ready for it so is is definitely tough. Whenever I found our you know make it less. Let let me get down to this because I think one of the things that has to be appreciated about you and what you're doing Luca Danni is the rate. Everybody's been talking about Luca dodger of what he's been doing this season. Mvp candidate before. He had to sit out the last seven games with an ankle injury but the hawks could have had him and instead what they did was they swapped trades when you know with the draft picks and ultimately ended up acquiring you and so lot of people look at you and look at Luca. And obviously they're gonNA look at you and they're going to compare. Do you ever feel when you're on a basketball court a have you ever felt in your career like I gotta show up in produce? Because this is who they could ahead and they chose me to be honest. I feel that way I feel like I had to show them produce because I what I'm called to do and that's what I do and I've always said that my said regardless of who always traded for us not on going out there trying to produce and play well because I was traded because in for Luca. It's just that it might be go out and try to produce every night regardless of the situation so I don't necessarily get into Trey. I know everybody in the fans and everybody's going to talk about it and it's going to be that way too. We're both a tire. But I don't let that affect me and I'll just go on trial produce regardless when they made that you'll recall when they made that deal they couldn't have possibly even imagined that you'd already be as good as you are right. So it's not about your which is exceeded even the highest expectations it's about Lucas Performance. Which has been like other worldly of course? He's like ten feet taller than you. But that's besides the point. Do you feel Stephen as point. Like put all that aside you. You're linked to him because of that. Are you trying to be recognized as a better player than Luca Danni no I? I'm trying to be considered by by the end of this. Ought to be one of the best part of Altan is not me versus Lucas. Not My it's not my mindset and I try to go out compete and just try to be the best player in the league regardless of. Who's in it? I want to know and I'm asking you this question direct question that I'm asking you is. Are you timid? Now let me let me tell you why I'm asking that question because Y'all want twenty nine games last year right now. Y'All only got fifteen which I'll struggle a little bit this year. If it wasn't for you I don't know of anybody. Go Watch the hawks. You you are holding a franchise in Palm. Your hands and I'm wondering do you ever have come. I know it's just a second year. You're young and you're focused on what you gotTa do. But you want to win to do you ever find yourself. Having conversations or wanting to have conversations with management about what are we doing here? We'll direction we're going in we doing. What's necessary in order to help? Elevate this oh for sure for sure I definitely I mean I definitely want out of those dogs and I mean I i WanNa win right and people have you had those types of sit down and talks with your for an office in your coaches and all that So yeah I have but on. This is all about winner for me and for me I trust. I trust the organization. And they've been making what they're gonNa make and so for me. It's just focused on getting better and trying to build my rookies and the young guys on his team. Try make them better to volume Max out. We'll say it's a lot easier to trust. You know when you live in. At L. that. You definitely want to place trey. Thanks RASA. Obviously you're one of the best point guards Italy. Tell me who gets. You fired up to go up against other guards molly. This is so many gardens league gets every night. It's gotta be one now. When I I think going up against guys like Dame Kiri I mean Steph. Those three guys probably because for me I consider them. I coming into the League. Their three best best in the league and so going on. Those guys is definitely. I would think the Steph because you were compared to him so much. Who was your idol growing up where you were like as an NBA player. I want that's the Guy Steve Nash Steep. So he's not here anymore right. Yeah Yeah I mean obviously Steph Steph paved the way for a guy like me to come into the League and and how that that type of an agile some special like Kobe? You could tell when he played Jordan. Yeah that was specially employee says he? He mentioned three guys. Yeah One guy And try probably probably Steph Palestine. I WANNA know I wanNA know how they treat you and the reason I asked that question is that you can ball and you can pull up from the parking lot and usually what you can do those things but you're so miniature you got guys like I'm going to hurt him to him to stop him. How do they treat you? Don't let the small fully on this tough still. It's a guy it's first you're on. Espn RADIO AND THE ESPN APP. Espn news I'm Jason Fitz. We're asking you for the best duo in NBA history. You can tweet me at Jason Fitz. You can also call triple eight say. Espn eight eight eight. Seven two nine three seven seven six get more votes for Koby Shack but also drake comes into his best NBA. Do I like this. We hadn't heard this one yet magic and worthy. That's a different one. Jonathan comes back and says my duos Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett and Boston so we get a bunch of different. Bob May have the most accurate answer. Stockton Malone Mike Lynn Scotty Kobe and shack magic green burden. Mikhail Dr J. Moses so many more no way there will ever be a clear cut greatest do. Oh that's what makes all of this fun Marcel in Tennessee. Give me your take. Who's the best duo in NBA history? Hey Jason I grew up in the showtime Era Lakers. So you've said it before you can go one or two ways magic and Kareem or magic and James Worthy. That's all I got all right. I I love it. I mean magic and Kareem just feels like in today's world especially in today's social media world where everything's clipped often highlighted gotta just feels like that would really have so much more lasting power in that process. Keep tweeting me at Jason Fitz. And then you can let triple eight say. Espn eight eight seven nine. Three seven seven six. We've heard a lot of. I will get more of your take next. I take your take on. Espn RADIO NF NOW. That human resources VP. Ashley Campbell has cronos for HR payroll talented time. She's managing our workforce like a Rockstar. She even has her own hype. Song have a really diverse workforce with different hours skill sets pay grades now we're motivating and engaging the right people every step of the way Kronos. Hr solutions for the modern workforce and the people who support them learn more at KRONOS DOT com slash. Hr Swagger this is the best duo in NBA history not right now but in NBA history. We are getting a ton of tweets on this. Y'All fired up. If you missed the second hour I take your go. Check it out on demand and the first take care. Take podcast promise. It's good time we're brought to you by the capital one venture card when you earn unlimited double miles every purchase. Your next trip is closer than you think. What's in your wallet now. All of this comes because Chicago right. I was in Chicago today. They'll be in Chicago again tomorrow. What does that mean spectacular guests golic and Wingo also going to be in Chicago tomorrow? Been hanging out there all week if you've missed it to with us from six to ten am eastern so this show and basically all of our shows tomorrow to be in Chicago for the All Star game that means when you're in Chicago with the All Star Game. Did she get all stars and legends to come on the show and that's exactly what happened today as a basketball hall of Famer Isaiah Thomas in Chicago. Native came in and join. Max Stephen A to have the conversation about Lebron Eighty. We're talking about does. The question is is that dynamic duo enough to get the Lakers to the finals. I had the Lakers going to the finals. Because I said those dynamic door shut those two guys Lebron and and a D. or two of the top five players on the planet earth and they bring their game. They should be able to do it now the other day where you saw me on. Tv You saw me sit up there do my Austin powers. You know all that other stuff. Why because the Clippers Got Marcus Morris? That's an additional defender on Lebron. James sort of the path to the finals. Seems that much more daunting? I don't think you know. What the clippers. From top to bottom. I believe it argument to be made there the better team. My only point is the reason why I don't have to completely deviate from position is because it goes back to what I say from day one. Anthony Davis Lebron James or twitter top five players on the planet earth. If they bring their a game in the sport of basketball where you have to superstars that play like superstars. I'm sorry that can be enough to get it done. There's a lot of questions about the Lakers right now. Because we're questioning thirty five years of age. Seventeen year league. In part of Lebron James a law would afford headed monster in La. Right THERE IN LA with the Clippers. Who COULD ASSISTANT? Garda him in the case of Anthony Davis. We had him right here. I takes and we were talking about how cats were looking at him because a hat is on the clippers. Say to me. We got five dogs before they acquired. Marcus wars we got five dogs. They might only have one okay. So that's what they were saying. What the point is with all that being said if the Davis while they're now calling them that because they know he's an all world talent but they believe they could compromise him if they give physical with them which brings us back to my original point if he plays like an all world player and Lebron plays like an all world players in the sport of basketball. That should be enough to get you to the front. They have to top five players. No excuses and I'm a Lakers fan. By the way we talk about the Michael Jordan Scottie. Pippen Chicago Bulls for a second. Let me tell you why. Let me tell you why. It's not gonNA be enough for the Lakers this year because as much as people were talking to one of the all time greats right here in Isaiah Thomas as much as people always try to make it about the point guard in the big in the NBA throughout history. What brings you success. The most success any team has ever had is the Chicago Bulls Jordan Pippen Dynasty. And when you look at that dynasty it was to attack dogs perimeter guys who could defend and score could shoot and take it to the whole who had an overall game two of them. Six six six eight. That is the formula so I can. You can tell me about. You can tell me about Patrick Beverley. Who's tremendous love Patrick? Beverley Lou Williams when you talk about dog. He's a dog on offense usually think about defense. He's a dog on offense. You can talk about Doc rivers and coaching and all these things with the clippers but they have co wild Leonard and Paul George. It's the closest thing. The League has seen to to perimeter guys like that since Jordan and Pippen and Kawhi elevates under pressure. He's the guy when the chips are on the line Isaiah. You can talk about this because you were a chips on the line. Pipe player the Greek freak. Get shut down. Who Do you want the shot against Philadelphia gets made? Who Do you want? Put them up against Kawhi with chips on the line. It's not GonNa go good take is in Chicago for the NBA. All Star weekend. Catch this show live tomorrow at Offshore Chicago. That's over at Navy pier. Guests include Dwayne Wade Bulls Point Guard Zach Levin common and more. Don't forget doors open at seven thirty. Am local so join the party in the windy city. I don't know might try and crash that party myself. I'm just saying also golic and wingo going to be live from Chicago as well as Harry carries a Navy Pier. So you can really come early in the morning because trust me five. Am local is. We'll be there. We will be there early in the morning. You can come hang out and just make a whole day out of it. I Don I like. I said I might just crashed. The set and see Steven wants to hang out with me. In the meantime we've been asking who the best duo in NBA history. We've heard some. I I want your take on jared in New Jersey who you got the best duo in. Nba History. Yeah I don't have to suffer for it but I really think steph curry and Kevin Durant the best jeweler. They're absolutely unstoppable championships together. That's interesting we haven't heard Steph. We heard Stephan Klay but not Stephan durant. So you're taking durant overclaim this equation. Right. Of course. They're unbelievable together. Yeah Jaren might be onto something there. I mean we're sleeping on durant because you know the the burner counts and the way people feel about durant. I've already talked about that. So you know I feel like maybe we're sleeping on the greatness there that we've seen also recently buys never WANNA go with anything current when we look at these Getting a lot of votes online stockton and Malone W K guy comes in and says obvious but then Rodney says Dunkin and Parker obvious so maybe none of it is obvious the best duo in NBA history. Jonathan in Michigan. Who You got is your best duo. I'M GONNA throw another one out of the two thousand one seventy sixers Matombo and Alan Iverson. Oh look there's this size speed is that we're going through the size and speed a out. I mean just look I want that just for the moment like I want the video game version of that just for the moment. Now let me just say Dave Dave on twitter Bama Perks. Dave I love you but you broke the rule. You can't give me if I say I want the best duo in NBA history and he says Havlicek and Russell. Or Will Jerry Oscar and Lou Center. It doesn't work that way. You don't get to have three takes you. GotTa pick one. You've got a big one. I love this from Rodney. Rodney doubles down. Penny Hardaway and check so getting a lot of votes for that. There are less votes in my mind than I expected for Michael Scottie. I thought this'll be a runaway. I mean I thought this would be a pure runaway we've seen a lot about. Nba Fans Man history matters to NBA. Fans get another on. Jeremy says it's obvious Oscar Robinson and lew alcindor. It's not obvious but I do love that. I'm a loser price to we didn't get durant and Westbrook. I mean you WanNa talk about like how are we defining great because one thing that we heard from the very first call was? What if these guys were on the playground now? Obviously if I'm asking Scottie. Pippen have to take on shack and his prime and the playground. I do not know how that's GonNa go I I. I can't even pretend to acknowledge that but again. We don't forget Lebron and Kyrie. They came back from three one together. Lebron Cairo a little bit of history. There keep tweeting me. Jason Fitz are I love the conversation more votes coming in for Kareem and Oscar. Michael and Scottie remember tomorrow this show I take Golic and Wingo. They're all going to be live for you in Chicago all around the NBA. All Star game. You do not want to miss it. Hang out with this. It'll be great guests guests all across the board coming up next the wheel. Cain show GonNa keep breaking on everything you need to know and get you set for your Thursday this man I take on your take on. Espn radio thanks for hanging out with me.

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"Starts Gametime tracks prices in real time from thousands of trusted sellers then shows you all the best last minute deals with prices up to sixty no ducts is brought to you by game time your new GO-TO APP for the best deals on last minute tickets did you know NBA tickets tend to drop right before the Games here is the here is the problem with the double rim it generally is paired with an atrocious backboard like a rock hard backboard we are stepping on the beach the only place to go and read your emails and tweets jd it to the APP store or play store now to download gametime and score awesome deals on last minute tickets it's really well designed and so fun to use the to tap checkout is crazy easy I went a little nuts last night pull the trigger on some wraps tickets tonight's Argos tickets this weekend in Hamilton antic it's to the musical cats in December I'm not GONNA be in Toronto in December plus it's a simple question with a not so simple answer because people were heat about them this when the feedback was crazy so I wanted to get your thoughts guys which is worse when it comes week our first question though it comes from me because most Z.. Last night you tweeted out an image that I came across on Instagram I thought it was really fun week keep them coming emailed no dunks at the athletic dot com or tweet us at no dunks INC or use the Hashtag no dunks we got a lot of questions again this to play pick up ball outside which is worse shooting on the Double Rim or a net with no mesh the no net does anyone have a strong opinion double rimmer it's odd thing in August and I hate it my only regret is that I didn't wait until closer to these events to watch those prices drop oh like you have the softest of touch when you're trying to finish inside on a double rim because that backboard is generally not kind when paired together Oh my shots and then you gotta go chase the ball rush doesn't doesn't slow it down yeah I one hundred percents agree I mean Li your jump shot is obviously the here in Toronto Task Trae Lee down in Atlanta what's up boys a what's up what's up thanks to everyone who emailed and tweeted in questions this net it's no net and I agree it's all I mean sure the double rim isn't kind you've got to knock it down but if you're shooting and the board at the end of your last season he basically seemed like he was going to be the resident Knicks Fan what happened that question from Gordon Oh of a kicking him on the way out and we acknowledged that on the show however somebody within the Knicks Organization took offence to that and the PR person did not play since X. Date because of a knee injury and missed X. amount of games because of the knee injury so that was a bit frustrating but you're right I'm with you guys that you can sort of adapt it helps you work on a little bit of more of an arc on your shot to get it up there but the goes through the hoop and there's no sound that's awful you WanNa hear and feel the rip of the ball gone through the terrible especially especially for me up image of a full screen image with all of kristaps quote unquote accomplishments and some of his not so great accomplishments including has not played since somebody somebody has to be accountable for that and then leaves in his pocket for Lewis at PR person's pocket for the rest of the season he's a huge knicks no no no all right first real question first question here dear team no dunks I was just hoping we could get an update on the state of lease Knicks fandom Eh just yeah it's just it's miserable I hate and honestly someone for me like I don't play my eyes are not amazing so and I'm not playing in New York and went to the garden tickets yeah you can buy me I'm fine finally as tuned all of our so I'm imagining you're not even missing on a double rim so I'm not surprised that that's your choice but yeah you gotta know the ball goes in when you're shooting there's nothing is a separate entity from the Knicks and Lee came up to us and voiced all those opinions and we said sure okay but the knicks own MSG weirder than when a shot goes into everybody's like was that an airball just completely drain it. I thought you were a great shooter what's happening here at least you can keep a score when you have a double rim was Chris Mannix had an article that David Fidel's position is already kind of on the hot seat which which feels absolutely right with the Knicks and Julius randle was probably the best one and now it's just like they have a glut of guards they've got rg Barrett who's playing great and taking got a good handle randall and he always seems to sort of get himself caught out even though he's actually you know putting up reasonable numbers for the team so I'm I'm following the Knicks contacted us and and Lee took the call and Lee and Lee heard this man who basically said you know the MSG network which broadcast the Games real let's recap because it's easy to forget why Lee is a huge knicks fan because during a knicks broadcast last year after the trade of KRISTAPS Porzingis they it's great here and the ones where I play like it only has to rip a little bit and they replace it it's great it is do you prefer do you prefer the Nylon Mesh not to just get that come on man you fake in the funk you ditched the Knicks immediately all you can talk about now is how good the Dallas Mavericks aren't how Great Chris you want instant success and are prepared to go through the motions the one player I haven't enjoyed watching Sofas Julius randle he's he's he shouldn't dribble the ball he's he because you know they didn't they traded all that Porzingus and hoping to get Zion they ended up with RJ Barrett who's actually leading them in scoring he's been good but and tonight replaced and it was never quite the same yeah you ruin your ball quicker though sure sure really be with it you beat it up on the chain chain match all right let's hear from you guys on that one which is worse mentioned the Knicks at all this season I haven't you know what though you must have been crushed when they struck out and free as well yeah yeah it was a pretty typical yet devastating summer for the Jordan Games Alonzo tree are buried to some degree on the bench it's that has been thrown for a loop their whole guard rotation although rj when you want to see the knicks maybe start to improve again but they won a three right now they're only victory came against trays bulls is I mean to with Dennis Smith Junior and Reggie bullock losing family members and bullets out with an injury gap that but Smith Junior missing some games here it's tough so purrs up to the sean the perception part okay so we're all in agreement thanks for sending that inskeep subject still amazed by the fact that even on all the door Zia's looks in this New Jersey he's sort of in a mass pocket as well yeah true it's true no wonder cargo shorts unless I missed something y'all didn't give your guesses for the next player to throw up a fifty spot yet who you got that's great solutions on twitter who starting us off some positive signs coming off the bench is actually looking comfortable in that role so that's good but you just feel chaos and drama is not too far away from the I already sore Internet I think he should but of course we know that how things can quickly deteriorate in that city and particularly as a coach if they do going on an awful long losing putting up fifty spot the Charlotte Hornets have been pretty bad defense oh farther twenty-seventh in the league they got a game in Golden State some of these younger guys into something better because I agree with these kids I would much prefer to beat a good nickname than to beat up on a trashy nickname for sure all right next email here on Saturday gimme Steph curry our next fifty point game okay we'll call him the game very nice Lee who you got well we received some good news implant though he's not the most athletic rookie that you'd you'd ever did see he can get to the whole and he's not scared everybody wants the Knicks to be good there on Tuesday night I will go with harden though harden has been garbage from three and the guy still managed to put up forty so he's going to have one of these games where he catches fire and in an odd because we expected them to have a glut of power for its because they signed all these power forwards and in the off season a three guys as recording this on Wednesday hit forty plus we had Kyri hit for fifty in his nets debut and then we had heard it on Monday night do I mean everybody's ready for it because MSG is is the best arena in the world you'd like to see it going crazy with victories they are they're going through some personal tragedy right now on that team I am of course and hopefully the next can turn it around but I think it is going to be another long season do you think physical survive I hope so I don't WanNa get you in trouble don't see anything this number so I went with Brandon Ingram who has been he's been hot darker yeah he's He's averaging twenty seven points per game for the New Orleans Pelicans especially I like Marcus Morris when he basically just out of the League in the preseason you know that was a funny moment you want that gave me it's floor once and get to the rim from three point line it's too much of an ask for that guy it's just too big but showing no fear of going to the rim so I I like watching or you'll chain Mesh well I'm actually Pasha to the China China yeah yeah we used to have it at the ALTUNA studios remember already see them just dropping further behind I think they're starting to use Randall at the elbow more watching some of their games instead of the three point line and Randall can put the ball he's there needs to be given an opportunity he's only season in a bid in Memphis so this is only the second season in New York so I would like to seem have at least three or four years and see if he can really mold minutes from the guy that they traded for or got for Christmas presents and Dennis Smith Frank ntilikina buried on the bench Alfred Payton is starting the with lots of shot attempts he's also shooting fifty percent from the floor and fifty percent from three those numbers won't last but the guys balling out and one do the spurs have the best guard rotation in the League Rights Andrew S. They have John Murray Derek whyte Damara Roseanne aw all good guesses I went down the list a little bit I didn't want to go with a a stud I like I like the you know the the dark horses for that underrated and deep rights Andrew Spurs undefeated haven't talked about them a lot classic Spurs move classic no dunks move maybe I guess he's going to miss at least one game maybe to here but I'm GonNa say him he's going to be back early authority had a couple of high thirty point games I think he's got the game for it to get fifty appear it's good for rookies shooting a great percents right now from the floor and from three to slide to see nick going a bit of a tail wind seven in a row and give some hope because right now they're already one of the three you can Kentucky they have no current all-stars though so that to me is a major point against them when you're talking about the best guard rotations in the league to me do you guys think does he ever does he have a point here though best guard rotation in the league with all those guys I just listed they do have Kelvin Johnson it looks like a baller already that should play expected is averaging twenty seven and five sorry twenty seven and three excuse me with the two steals sort of being overlooked there in New Orleans because all the news about cy on etc and they play really fast he's had a thirty five point game high but he could just before we went to wear here and the trae young did not need an MRI on his ankle and he's listed as day-to-day hopefully trae young that means any of those guys yet very very productive for the nuggets so I mean the spurs are good but the net and the clippers dementia but I like the nuggets setback threes dropping and he splashes six seven eight whatever it is and I think it's coming sooner rather than later put me down for James Harden for our next fifty task that game winner last weekend as he said I'm interested to see if they bring back the Marta rose and because of this guard rotation emailer mentioned Andrew mentioned because odds there Jamaal Murray Monty Monty Monty. I'll get that don't worry Beasley Will Baden Patty Mills Brin Forbes Lani Walker the Fourth Marco Bellin Elliott. It's a spicy one and throwing a rookie Kelvin Johnson who these guys are under doc he'll opt out and they'll give a Richard Jefferson four year for forty million that's what Richard Jefferson signed for a discount on that twenty seven million dollars I think we're GonNa see it from trae young anyplace the Bulls next week they give up some polling that might be a good one hope he's back for that one for short every dinwiddie cares levert Garrett Temple Joe Harris that's a really good guard rotation as well so those are the top two to me I'll throw in the Denver Nuggets I think they've got a very solid core between the clippers and the nets with the Clippers got Patrick Beverley Lou Williams if you WANNA consider Paul George or Colli one of those guys is kind of Ard Landry Shamet is also there and then for the nets it's they're going to do it again but does that stunt the growth of the Jonty Murray or Derek right maybe a little I guess he's they're gonNA play him with somebody but anyway they're good some Gary Harris as well throw him in the mix that's a pretty solid rotation of guys you know that God rotation sort of shooting guards Ford it sort of fluctuates a little bit but I think again after we see the week that they've got coming up they got the clippers the warriors both on the road and then they got the Lakers the spurs playing well and get some wins over those teams extract but I think he's actually the right coach some of those young guys because in Miami he was a very good assisting coach you would sort of connect with lots of different when you got Lebron Bosh and Wade and those guys but I I and I don't think those are really equal I got paid more and I bought some bacon with or I didn't know middle ground said Trae they have no current all stars it's a good way of skipping around that D'Amato Roseanne didn't make the all star team but he is a solid solid play for them whenever but they're not like spurs are amazing I think there's a reason why we haven't addressed them that much fairly kind scheduled to start the season and they have they weren't even blowing all the defense you haven't some of those young guys that's that is a good squad good young squad especially then you throw into Roseanne next email high no dunk sink can we ban the free going for forty thanks to twenty one made free throws and then we had Anthony Davis go for forty thanks to what was that one twenty sixth through twenty six that on they beat the wizards by two and then they beat the Blazers I was that was a solid win no doubt but it close game there let I think we are going to be talking about the spurs a whole lot or very very little his near triple double it's the dumbest phrase in basketball I wouldn't say I had a near pay raise or a near Bacon Sandwich ridiculous and that's where David's right then you can ban it but if you're one short in one of the categories for triple double I have no problem with it I'm with you on that take Landa they still replace the Mesh Nets yeah like everybody else I've lived one side I mean it goes yeah you're measureless after that how many players got a triple double last year fifteen wow it's a lot higher twenty eight yeah think about thirty three I can't count how many that's from David J got going for a giant with that well I think the triple double itself has become so watered down than yes then we're going to be talking a lot about the spurs they go three and the in those three games they're five hundred and the right they're they're still in the mix they're still a playoff team players were tied for sixteenth with one triple double here but it's approximately over thirty I'm surprised by that I thought it was way more the amount last year I did it so eighty percent of the league okay you got to count the total number of trip Paul W we were just talking about food he couldn't get through all right so we've got curry we've got trae young we've got hardin and we got a wildcard there in Brandon Ingram good bet good guesses all right next coming a little less like notable to even mention it to throw it in there it's like okay you got one but we don't even address it anymore so there's something to it but that got he's got a lot of studs Tamar Dea WanNa give him a big contract extension he's he's actually got twenty seven million for next season but he's got a player option and they've already it's not much of an accomplishment to get a triple double so if you get one grade but don't get near a triple double because everyone gets one these days I understand guaranteed the markets ultra just contract for next year so are you going to go forward with Dhamar in La as your guys is feels like a spurs thing to do right now to to bring him back it feels like I'm still with the if you're a ten ten nine you're near triple double our next one here this one's from our g a missing all the classic drops where is my anything could still happen showdown against from Rei. Yeah I guess that Means Missing Matt really isn't it I mean JD WANNA break it down for for the listener why are we not having so many drums well we Atlanta and there's been I don't know ten squelches so far that I'm GonNa have to go back and surgically remove and the Internet connections not great it was so close to a five and five he only needed to more steals tumor steals as a lot of steals it's all relative but near means close triple double means triple double what else is we are we're on shaky ship as it is right I mean we're sitting at a card table in an AIRBNB in Toronto three of our other guys the daily show the nuggets losing to the mavs in a close game and what's wrong with Yokich I don't think we address that he did have a triple double early saying you know we are a little obsessed with a triple double still when it's like Yeah ever gets yeah but what are you what are you supposed to say these are literally just words that mean exactly what they said six of the League you're right when you say you're one one statistic short but I guess when people start saying Oh he's flirting with a triple double that can really be the way the offense does look good though and our email or Andrew does have a great point with the back deep but Guiseley Patty Mill Patty Mills in Marbella Nellie and a and all that to say you know the drops are it's they're gonNA come back it's just a matter of we gotta get our we gotta go I did play guys in Atlanta Yeah that's true forgot about that part so don't worry they're they're coming we say it I guess is is it just feels like it gets around and I agree with you it's been watered down but not you know it's still sort of an exclusive an NBA team you don't want to be peaking the first month of the season we'll add some wrinkles the playbook as the year goes on that's right and the other thing is that you guys can't hear the drop even have to give up an assuming merkich comes back healthy returns to form what would adding Gallinari pushed the blazers into or would add in Gallinari Puszta blazers into at least fringe contenders you're going to play offs Sherefield this thing are the knicks excuse me are the Spurs good I'm not I'm not convinced yet that they're really really good no they beat beat the Knicks I in in in one of those two guys Kevin love or Gallinari which one would you prefer I think senator makes a good point that love isn't the strongest defender Awesome last year and the thunder don't need them into rebuilt he's a great stretch for does need the ball but can absolutely get a bucket when you need one he also doesn't hurt you defensively like Kevin love what what would and he was near a triple double if a guy has ten of something ten of something and nine of another what are you saying he had a double double and another nine he had a near triple double we know in a contract season tends to play harder tends to be a better player but what does that really get your long term I don't think it moves the needle all that much for them I think they need someone else this show crosses the border every stinking day shown what diplomacy is all of them next email here hey guys so the consensus seems the West is stacked as always but also wide open and I'm hoping to see my blazers as at least darkhorse contenders don't love whiteside still if he can hold it down until and the blazers need a big right now they need him to sop up minutes until nurtures back and you know the better he looks the more trade value he has more chance he has a getting a better contract so the word that's that's what you're saying I agree with you when you can't mean you're right it can't be like eight or seven or something like that and one of the categories that's Noor comes back and plays within himself it could be fine but we would still need another guy gallantry seems like a perfect fit to me obviously there's the injury history but he was back in the same room and we get a system to yeah yeah yeah you're right you're juggling a lot of balls as it is that's true then have to worry about dropping in lender status and that's from Senator Batman that's how he signed off so that's our dressing has the four on the blazers in theory yes I like it contender for me right now yeah whiteside playing well as mutually beneficial to everybody like you're saying he's in a contract year so he's trying to put up numbers trying to have an impact having whiteside decent this year is huge for the Blazers and I'm with you I think they need more than just one piece though I don't think gala Nari or Kevin love alone is the think Elenora had a bounce back season last year in Los Angeles and I think he's gone he can stretch a floor knocks down those threes and the blazes desperately need another guy who can score and shoot to take a little bit of the heat off Cj Dame because it does feel that when they need a bucket it's basically just one of those guys GonNa want to get it works toward an extent also I think is going to be like kind of way they will last a good team you know we'll make the playoffs but still they are a little short of a tree set off sixty percent off that's like Audrey Drummond shoots from the floor then twelve million fans have downloaded the game time APP and discovered the fastest easiest way to get into the game oh an hour is not a great defender either and he tends to be prone but I just feel that the blazers are still missing that one piece whiteside who can be a threat to score into shoot so I like Gallinari as a bit of a fly but in the long-term if with Damon cj they need someone else who's a little bit more reliable I anything you could have four points and four rebounds and three assists in your seven minutes of the game and you're flirting with triple double thirty seven and we just gotta get back in the same damn room slash seem damn country the baby step to all of this but don't you worry we'll take but it hasn't made out of take them well I think the conference phone calls last year but they do need some extra help offensively and the rumor has been out there that the blazes the Jason Yeah I think what was it a ten ten was even brought it up because I think you guys are right it's what's it'll exactly it sounds so good now how great is it going to sound the same broom drops will be flying hopefully hopefully that's right just it's fair either but it does sound ridiculous when it's guys like you know twenty seven seven and seven yes ronn close triple double but not really or when a when you're like man attacks that definitely you definitely don't want you playing there's no net then you wouldn't have a clue with the ball we need that's right but I need to help with the it seems like they need a little bit more big man help a little bit more shooting and a little bit more wing help you can't get all of that from either Galleria or Kevin Love but whiteside has such a big contract answer that's why to me Mr Brainwash the trade machine got busy last night you could trade us on whiteside for Marvin Williams and MK. Gee I don't know but you could do it that's the two guys and expense for a decade and he is the one who introduced me to podcasts which indirectly led me to you guys when we first met John was never interested in sports after recommending your podcast he's one of the that is from Joey scribble long long long time member of the tweeted the week army he's asking for help there you know next one oh it's not Senator Batman believe listen to this this one's from Joey triple scribble Dj that's right hello most avid basketball fans I know I was wondering if you had any advice that I could share with my friend about marriage or to me about giving a speech at the wedding thanks Jay slash starters slash no dunkers one of my best friends John is getting married in a few weeks and I have the honor of giving a speech at his wedding I've known him for just blazers team that would overpay him to stick around and then you know he he's been good it was great last year for the clippers but he does miss a lot of games and is he going to be great going into his mid thirties definitely want him in that lineup it's a little bit of a worry that Danilo gone are in his expiring contract year he'll be thirty two next season it seems like he's he's an expiring contract make something like twenty two million dollars a year Kevin Love Trade for him you obviously trading for for a bigger longer contract they look to move him and gets more pieces back they have a million draft picks as it is and some young talent there but they're always looking for more I'm sure so this is something you can see happening I I buy it a couple of smaller contracts that add up to whites number I love the idea of going are you on the blazers if they could make it happen he's been playing well to start the season again I don't know if he would help this year right now for sure and the Blazers sent back a young guy I don't know if they would send an assignment plus an expiring he's more I mean they love Simon's but a young plus plus that bays more exercise going anywhere I guess Gary so then you're not getting them I don't think I mean yeah if you're want Gary Trent sure just yet but he's not that he couldn't help you one of those guys would make sense in Portland I do believe that to pair with your explosive backward to have a little scoring in your front for the thunder he's like he's like a twenty point game score no five boards two assists he shooting great he's forty two percent from three on a lot of attempts six attempts per game vice for his friend about getting married or advice on how to give a speech at a wedding the twenty the weekend on me shout out accumulator is DJ purpose the wedding. So I'm taking myself out of that the department never hit a home run I actually think giving a speech at a wedding is pretty tough my one bit of advice would be don't do a countdown I did a countdown as best man speech once and I still looked back to this day nine years later like come on man you're literally looking at no cards for a wedding speech with with marriage lead than I have so Lee why don't you yeah well I I've never given a good speed Dr Yeah I know I know I know I mean just to get an asset though it's going to be walking probably this offseason but we'll see great questions Senator Batman what advice I give you you gotTa keep it short you just gotTa keep it tight GonNa have a tight three and five minutes up there you can do a lot you can do a lot in a short amount of time especially if you're already hearing a bunch of speeches the worst features are the ones that just go on and on and they ramble on and on and you're like okay yeah we get it you love each other move on already does a great job there well there's a tough one test why don't you kick us off it is tough us a little bit more experience I and you don't think you can because you got so much to say that's wrong you gotta edit we really I wish we had Mattioli on this podcast that guys get a lot of speeches as sort of a- and the day before the wedding we went on a boat cruise awesome was in Mexico it was great fabulous but the maid of honor it wasn't it wasn't planned it was just great and she was a good sport about and what about any marriage tips anything just quickly Lee what's your that one for sure so yeah just keep it tight don't be afraid to use a prop either at one time I was best man at my brothers Unbeliev- what's your one marriage tip always think of your wife to keep her happy I mean like if Whoa come with these ten funny jokes ten funny jokes they're not funny and they are jokes the number Astros ceremony or a best man or whatever he's done a ton I think and knowing mattio he would give the same advice I'd say edit at is true you know because sometimes we get into a little expensive everything no I mean you sometimes it's hard to back down if you know you have to compromise keep you happy yours it was the wedding and she was fine obviously so when I introduced her as she was coming up I handed her a plastic bag killed it was the biggest laugh of that hey no dunk squad so hype it have you guys back you make watching the NBA season that much more entertaining my question for you as a heat fan do you think that if Jimmy Butler it's tough man tough sometimes the best advice I've heard is from Jerry Seinfeld which is try not to go crazy at the same time ah I like a good emotional speech though I like to shop but I didn't say you couldn't be emotional thing you don't need to go on for motion or can actually hit up repeating yourself because that's what tends to happen they just keep saying the same thing over and over and over again right but yeah you can was horribly seasick like puking she puked all over the top deck she puked over the side she'd puked for the entire three hours so the next really really well I'm glad because I can imagine if you're in the audience and people say all right I've just got a little help point prison put some work in achieve this level of reputation that you are this guy's a hall of Fame Guy Yeah He's in you guys have those stats are have those accolades enter in need to get creative to I once did a powerpoint presentation with my buddy Sodhi because he's a real digital guy so we went with that and it worked out reputation to some degree with the voters and I don't think Jimmy Butler has that number one guy reputation obviously there's a bit of a cancer in a locker room there's no textbook there's there's no there's there's no way of just I don't know I can't put a finger on what voters because nobody nobody knows but the you just have to I think it's hard to advice on something like that because it's so different for every it is personal and no one really knows why some relationships losses hired today he would go to the hall of Fame Butler he's a four time all star four time all defensive team two time all on your team guaranteed you're a title contender if he's on your team right now you've got a good team not necessarily a great team so I mean the accolades are there and he has actually done it's okay having a long distance relationship and now situation then that's probably good every relationship I have right now is a long time because of coming into the NBA after playing in college for a little bit a sat on the bench for a little coming off before when Dan was with the Bulls then it became most improved player then he became the AH that is so true and it actually speaks to our longevity as well because six of us or five of us now inter something maybe yeah why would they do they're not trading Simonsen Golan Ari expiring deal I guess don't do it you gave like ten here ten yeah it was me I was co best man for my buddy nick with with our other friend Adam and we're like so he had the three rings but again he had sort of comparable like he was great to a player all defensive type guy pretty comparable the Jimmy Butler did we all take turns going crazy having our little moments in our little hissy fits or whatever but yeah as long as one or two of the people involved still quite

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Rockets add Westbrook, Should NFL go to 18-game season?, Dak Prescotts contract negotiations, Is Moreys days numbered?, Do you feel bad for CP3?

Speak For Yourself with Cowherd & Whitlock

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Rockets add Westbrook, Should NFL go to 18-game season?, Dak Prescotts contract negotiations, Is Moreys days numbered?, Do you feel bad for CP3?

"All right I'm Jason Whitlock. That's Marcellus Wiley that do yes sir. I want to speak for yourself. The most fearless show in sports coming up. We'll tell you if the N._F._l.. Is headed for an eighteen game scheduled but we start with some huge N._B._A.. News the sign is all Houston Rockets General Manager Darryl more pioneer hero of M._B._A.. Analytic a little more than a year after being named the League's executive of the year and more than a decade after being the first statler to take over a team mowry began to walk the Green Mile <hes> when you make a trade the Pairs James Harden and Russell Westbrook your peer start shouting dare G._M.. Walking John Coffee Wars more recent Paul and Multiple Picks Oklahoma City for the only guard who can rival harden in ball neediness and turnovers Russell Westbrook but this isn't even more. He's dumbest move two years ago he gave up Patrick Beverley Lou Williams and Montrose Aero Zero for Chris Paul in Hindsight that trade was a colossal screw up. It's almost as bad as leaving Mike Dantonio in charge of the two most stubborn narcissistic guards in the association. This whole fiasco reminds me of the time when former E._S._p._N.. President John Skipper asked me to Babysit Joey Chestnut and Kobayashi at a Vegas Buffet armed security escort at us out after ninety minutes. Are I mean this is quite Kris. Jenner Trading Khloe Kardashian for Cardi B. and Cardi B. is younger when you check the Carfax and the usage rate the deal makes no sense. You should wait a minute. We wanted basketball over over the last five years. Neither Westbrook nor harden has shown any sustained interest in sharing it and if more is expecting Dantonio devise and enforce a style of play the mouse heart and Westbrook to effectively coexist. He probably also believes Dan Fantoni can stop president trump from tweedy me man. It's trade is crazy. It reeks of desperation it speaks to the futility of reducing men and the Games they play to data the rockets have tried to win it all with analytics. Thanks for the past decade. It's fail it made them interesting and competitive in his allow my Dantonio to roll out of basketball and fall asleep on the sideline for the past three seasons. It's made Mori the toast of the new sports media. He's one of them. They're Pied Piper. He founded the M._I._T.. Sloan Sports Analytics Conference the Tink the think tank for sports nerds who have never played a game that doesn't involve at least one controller now is starting to sound like I hate these guys and I hate analytics. I don't I just think we've gone overboard with stats. I've made my living reading in evaluating human emotions and personalities and how they impact sports. I think it's more fascinating fun and informative to evaluate. Wait people more than numbers. The numbers are vital and can help in evaluation but the numbers in my opinion shouldn't be the driving force the Brian James can't be reduced to a bunch of numbers. The numbers couldn't tell more that hard and Chris Paul would ultimate class personally now more is throwing out the numbers. He's throwing a hail. Mary hoping that Westbrook will address his irresponsible style of play at age thirty while sitting on a contract worth two hundred million dollars in January is betting that Westbrook's ego has been bruised and humbled by the departures of Paul George and Kevin Durant Maury the stat nerd is attempting to evaluate people rather than numbers. It's too late. I joining the desk now or Fox Sports N._B._A.. Analysts Stephen Jackson and Matt Barnes Marcellus. I'll start with you smart for the rockets to dump Chris Walter Russell Westbrook smart desperate. Yeah you're right. You're accurate back against the wall is synonymous will be in desperate. GotTa come out fighting and they came out fighting fighting. They only had two options this off. Season one was to stay still stay pat. Hey ma'am basically the last couple of years we've been. The second best team in the Western. Conference are going to stay is taking some hits no clay most of the season if not entire fire season no K. D. for sure they coming back to us. The STAY STILL INTO THE CLIPPERS LAKERS DENVER Utah Portland were acting like donkeys out their free agency and they realize what are we going to do so guess what they did. They got younger bigger faster stronger and better at the same position you ask me. Is that a good situation. Not a smart move is a absolute genius move in the sense of maybe they're not title. Contenders Vegas shots were most people are saying it consists but in terms of confidence in terms of inspired that group Oh they don't believe a little more that they got a chance because they got durability on top of all the other attributes. I just named so you add it all up. It makes assist me interesting. I think it's an interesting move. I think Daryl Morey made it out of desperation. He's kind of been a name chaser that looks good on paper but necessarily when it comes to chemistry and fit we don't know I think the easy answer with this is seeing both these guys in their patterns of play. You would think they don't Mesh but I also think when you get a friend on the team a true friend I think you're willing to sacrifice them things and realize that hey we've both been incredible. You know both those guys put up numbers that the league hadn't seen in a long time or ever but at the end of the day it's just that it's just number so if these guys really want to make a run thing they're both gonna have to sacrifice but like Marcellus said they bring into a dynasty the last years and I've had them as the second best team not only in western conference about the N._B._A.. Because they were healthy issue they would've beat Toronto and to me Houston's always just been right behind golden state so golden state is not what they once were. They're still very solid. I think people overlooking them but I think they could have stayed states set the way they were in really made one last push with this team that they have to see what they have because like I said they continue to run into a dynasty and kept him. I'll have to wait to see say bars because because if you look at it the last few years they weren't from type one to second to audit thirsty. There wasn't a top two-seat. There was a Thursday this year behind Denver so teams are getting better. They wasn't getting better than they seen that they needed to make a move. I think it's a great move to me because it you need to stars. You need more than one star to be successful in the N._B._A.. Today <hes> One star ain't GonNa get it so the the move was right but the problem is the owner is ignoring everything they see that he's hearing and seeing all these T._v.. Shows Great Move. You've made you just have the wrong coach and that move will be for nothing if they don't get another coach in there I agree with your point about wow they really complicated with Mike Dantonio the coach because who's going to be the arbitrator. I don't think it's going to be my Dad Tony However I just think it's a dumb move for a bunch of the reasons I say but again you need to stars but they do the exact same thing that I think Russia has way more energy jane he does way more rebounding assistant. He does way more but she does. When when James Harden says go stand over in this corner while I pat the ball for twenty seconds what's that due to Russia's image it doesn't do nothing so because just like he wanted the ball and I had a mismatch and he was down on a post? I'm willing to throw it to my brother because we were on the same page. We're we're sacrificing for each other every that's a great move and I think it can work with him to but you have to have a coast to hold them accountable. He hasn't held James Accountable. Rush has a strong personality James. He's not going to be able to hold US accountable at all. Russia's GONNA run over Dan Tony they need. They need to the whole rest account. I think what you're high basketball. I Q actually over thinking this one. This is really elementary and let's go back to elementary school when you got those report cards and you had one of those grades that says that Z. play well with the bag radio that I would have been hard to do. How do you know what a real as Matt said? When this show friend we'll see so we gotta play well with each other so Dantonio the best coach because if you had a coach ultra was rigid with system in philosophy and said you have to do this you have to do this? You're not empowering these two Alpha personalities to go out there and work it out themselves. I think this is GonNa be a beautiful thing where he's going to give them the freedom to figure this out. How much freedom might be bad? No because everyone including Jason has been saying when is westbrook going get off ball will guess what definitely be audible now Ryan so he's going right into a convenience. My question is is what rest prices never sacrificed for anyone from I looking in. He didn't sacrifice when he had James and Katie earlier so now at this point. is He willing to take a step back for James and what does that look like because let's let's keep in mind. That Chris was probably top two or three point guard in the N._B._A.. When you I went to Houston and then took a huge step back in our one saying he can't play but you can't judge someone statistical output based off if you take what they do away the best away from them <hes> Chris was great with the ball in his hand making other players better in scoring in in spots when he needs to and I think that was the disconnect was that's what Chris wanted to get to some obviously James is the best offensive weapon in the game some may argue but he's not the distributor? Even though we average eight points a game he has the ball ninety percent of the time so he could average more so it gets to me so I think that's what Chris wanted to get back to was moving the ball and then when we need a bucket. Let James Go get it so now with Russ like we said the ball is going to be at a Russia's hands. How does he react to that but I think the only way to make that work like I said early these guys both have to sit down and sacrifice and I think they can because their friends and they really do mess with each other and that's the only way this will work? This Utah makes me think the actual pairing that would've worked is Chris Paul and Russell Westbrook rather than James Harden and Russell Westbrook and I'm not saying it would have worked at a super high level work at all that wouldn't work either well. You know why they wouldn't wear any position. No no not even that it's the psychology of I- Westbrook has not sacrifice you give him Chris Paul all due respect Chris Paul going down right angles sacrifice for Chris. He goes sacrifice for hard because won't we raise each other. We young pups together and leaked to you'll gain speaks so I gotTA respect that game at this stage of my career coming to your team Chris Pau. I don't know if he would've played with Kevin Durant if there was a guy one guy was the M._v._p.. Right there in okay see the best player in basketball right there and Russell Westbrook wasn't willing to go man. I gotTA respect you'll game he learned. The Paul George also had his Paul George had his best year pre injury Russell Westbrook saying you go head shot selection going down but I also think going to someone else's team. Now Russ was Home Oak L. K. C. chose him. That was his tomb over. Everybody else's. He's going to James Houston team now so I think that's that's something that he obviously has in the back of his mind but I said at the end of the these guys are friends and when you play with your friends is the different connect when you were teammates cool when your friends it's a lot different so when you your friends and you're on the same page if they can get that together they're going to be a problem Lebron James and Dwayne way when they first got the Miami they were for and it was hard the first year really hard and so I hear you on the friends but I'm GonNa tell you what trump's trump's friends a lot of times. It's just ego and both of these guys have a right to have enormous egos. They've been M._v._P.'s Russell Oscar. Robertson only got US ever done what I've done. I've done it three times James James Harden. It's like I'm the best player in the League I and Mike Dantonio the referee who's pretty much lame duck in the first place. It just seems like a recipe for disaster. I I do look. I see Daryl Morey taken this hail. Mary saying you know what the winds blowing in a direction where Russell Westbrook has to change but I I've just seen very few young men are even older men with a two hundred million dollar contract. This study moee me interested in change to me. I wouldn't use the Miami he example in this situation. They actually suffer from like ultra deference like we are so cool and I want to be so respectful I don't I don't feel comfortable being and Lebron James taking the master bedroom and no one wanted no one wanted to step up and this one is to flip is like which one step down because they both want to step up and I think their friendship is going to be what's going to allow that opportunity the craziest thing I think my dad used to always tell me when I walk in the kitchen. I walk out to Modell want some neat he said. Are you hungry or do you want something to eat. There's a difference you know why because if you're hungry take your back in there make anything work. You know water. Raisin Bran got to go you know but if you just want to eat then talking convenience picky. You're picking their in a desperate situation. They both want that championship so guess what angle be too picky. I'll think they're gonNA pick on each other either. I think it'll work but don't go downhill not being accountable. I'm telling you they're gonNA run on over Dan Tony and mid season. They will be looking to make a move or figure it out why they working. If it's not gonNA work 'cause it Dan Tony I'm telling you it's not gonNa work so Dan. Tony can't keep them accountable because he allows them to have freedom to know win free freedom. Is You have have to give stars freedom. That's not what I'm saying. Expect you gotTa have respect coach going out there and doing what you won't shoot what you WANNA turn the ball over. That's not buying in. That's not respecting your. That's not doing what you need to do for your teammates is what I'm saying and only coach can get you do that. Perfect example on the Spurs. I pop made it a point to every time Tim made a mistake to get in his face and to get on him because we had to take it after that yeah once you get on on the best player you have to take. Do you think they were so successful. All the time years was tim was there because everybody bought in respected how we taught through Tim if you can't get on top players you can't teach them the rest of the team not gonNA respect you either. I don't notice and I don't want to speculate but again myself. I think it's just like marriage even successful than their marriage is a lot of times need council. Oh definite and so in there right now to Jason Whitlock speak for yourself is that ED hairline slowly starting to move backwards or any bald spots yet. 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S. dot com slash main dot com slash man with locking Wiley joined we now by former pro bowl linebacker Lavar areas making this speak for yourself debut longtime N._F._l.. Running back Stanford Route D._B.. I'm so now big story. Let's move to the N._F._l.. For Ahead Afoul N._F._l.. Are Deepening negotiations over a new collective bargaining agreement and once again the issue of expanding the season to eighteen games appears to be a major point of contention. The owners have been pushing for a long a regular season for years ears with players resisting over concerns about safety but the owners are now trying to address those concerns directly as the Wall Street Journal reports quote one ideal owners have proposed limiting players to sixteen games to a saw health and safety concerns that would mean even if the Kansas City chiefs played eighteen games quarterback Patrick mahomes would play in just sixteen of them are this is an idea. I have been championing for more than a decade. ooh So eighteen games players are limited to play in sixteen. Maybe you make an exception for kickers pawners and potentially quarterbacks but everybody else plays sixteen games. The Wall Street Journal says it could could raise an additional two and a half billion dollars. I like that be and I've known you for ten years on this show but I need a little more than Oh. You know why because if I'm sitting there knowing that I am helping to aggregate two and a half billion dollars extra in just two weeks guess what I'm starting to say I WANNA play those two weeks. I wanted to players. It seems like in minority who's down for eighteen. Don't give me sixteen fifteen of eighteen why not because I won't dollar for dollar value. I'll tell you why I played in yesteryears football. I'm not GonNa go the whole tougher era argument. I'M GONNA go. It was harder to play when I played practices. We had consecutive hitting practices because we didn't have the same technology medical facilities the same acknowledgment of issues the C._T._e.. ETC So player safety was differ backed it. I looked forward to games. I'm telling you I never got hurt again. I never got her and get her and practice. off-season got her not as her everything but games actual games it doesn't happen that way. It's interesting that the N._F._l.. has just played their car now n._F._l.. P._A.. Players let's play our card and we know what our car it is. Give us the money. We'll we'll do it because it's just a value conversation for me. Most injuries happen a third of them. In training camp before the actual games. Did it actually size lulls and in spikes in most practices are easier at at the end of the year to preserve the same players if you could just give me opportunities to play and not so many painful opportunities to practice I will go out there and play eighteen games as long as you give me my value listen as long as they're taking four four preseason games. Keep that in mind that out of your four preseason games if you're saying sixteen don't just say sixteen play eighteen but make one preseason game how about that take away a game in the preseason because generally speaking in the third preseason game starters played. Maybe what one two series then they take them out is really a opportunity to get a look at the talent that are bubble talent right. Is he too old. Is he good enough for us to put them on the team so I would do the I guess adjusting within the preseason right if you adjust well I have to because if you're looking at it from four preseason gains you add eighteen games. You're you're going over twenty games that are being played and again. I come back to Marcellus. Point is if you're playing sixteen games and you're saying we're going to hold you out of two. I think that really values the message that you're putting out there as as a league. Why say you'RE GONNA only play sixteen games? I'm on eight yeah. Well well my take on is I'm annoyed just looking at that press release simply because okay just a new story but go ahead yeah. I'm okay with playing <hes> do an eighteen game schedule playing sixteen sitting out too but you gotta pay me for all eighteen. I'm all about my coin because this league these owners. That's what this is all about this about revenue. They're going to get their money for so we need as players. You need to get yours because playing just sixteen ecksteen. It seems to me like the owners GonNa try to set that up to where they only. They only pay you for sixteen and not for the two remaining games on the schedule. I completely disagree with Y'all jumping to that conclusion because my understanding of the CBA is players. Here's get a certain percentage of the overall revenue growth goals two of the players salaries and so if they generate two and a half billion more dollars y'all don't get forty eight eight forty nine fifty percent of that which whatever y'all negotiate goes to and so to me when I hear you Marcellus and Lavar and and Stanford a little bit like an Stanford. You were a little bit different but I'll play all eighteenth. Yes what that makes me. He says is what I've always believed players. Don't give a damn about safety. It's just a negotiating ploy. They just want the money I'll play whenever and so it's just a negotiated for the N._F._l.. Owners are somewhat taking your concern about player safety safety. We got a way to generate more money. They will share with you all at the same rate or whatever y'all negotiated. y'All greeted this would maybe we'll give you an extra percentage point on the deal. This makes perfect sense to me for the N._F._l.. Players you're right but I think what you articulated. It pitted against each other the N._F._l.. Heard two players talk about player safety. Go to a veteran right now and ask them. How is it the practice and play right now exactly easier than ever I know? Gosh who went through two three errors like I'm a play as long as I can because we don't touch each other anymore. We can't hit for consecutive practice so the N._F._l.. Heard that message so we don't have to keep champing for player safety now the N._F._L.'s coming back doc with their other message. We want more money out of this Moorgate. Don't want more money hail yes but that's more of an integrity eighteen I will again. You'RE GONNA get the additional revenue is going to enhance player. How do you how do you position playing sixteen games and some of your best players assuming right that you can't play our eighteen gas exact justified the two games <unk> action Clayton Kershaw who only pitches in forty games thirty five games in the year that Yuck like his all because he didn't play in one sixty two? He gets paid less but that's not that's not my my argue argue. Why do you think they're they're proposing this mandate of only plane sixteen in an eighteen game season because of the health issue because the media has been killing them on the healthy our players have been killing him on the health issues and so they said look we got a way to play eighteen <music> games? It'll change our game quite a bit in in my view in some interesting ways more strategy to debate Blah Blah Blah like who's play when are they generate two and a half billion dollars. y'All still don't get jobs forty nine fifty percentage and we're gonNA spend it on your salaries. No the way I look at it and I'm not sure both of you guys how y'all look it as well but for me I look at it as it possibly could potentially be a situation like in the preseason where the owners they get all all of the money all of the revenue from ticket sales from the concession stand from the team but the players only get. What is it a thousand dollars during training camp? We don't get like that. How how are we sure two more games and not pay hold on? Here's the thing this reconcile missile a few things once statistically we get paid by what we could put down on record at the end of the year it feels good in the moment but in the year how many sex you plus okay so if I want to get as many opportunities let's keep this congruent to a sixteen game schedule one. That's one two they made it easier to get to sixteen games by the practice schedule and player safety. Guess what that means for me. I got a little more juice in before eighteen because of this reason if the pots going to grow to two and a half billion in dollars under a sixteen slash eighteen game scheduled could grow to four if I guaranteed a fans who were going to miss out on two games of some star players get some of that four billion instead of the two and a half my biggest issue. I Miss I'm I'm not I'm not debating your. I think that your point is clear and I think that it makes sense. The whole health issue a lot of guys will play the health car when it's convenient to play that card I agree with that but I'm looking and I'm not even looking at it from the pay perspective. How what do you make the rules on an eighteen game season where you're only going to play them sixteen games? That's ruled praised me so in other words. Are you going to say you get to choose when you play Peyton Manning. Tom Brady and this goes on that. I don't don't do it in but it doesn't happen in football it does not it does not happen but I think when you're when you're selling a ticket holder and a person that's holding stake within that franchise and you say the the season is on the line gentlemen. Let me explain to you what will have okay if they go with the eighteen games goes on air by plays A._T.. All these low woke media people that everybody all up in older so exploitative the the slave masters have now demand play eighteen games. They don't care about these black players. They don't and they don't want the P._R.. Here are sitting we had Jon Gruden and whatever his name was the baseball August. They let call football Monday night football McDonald or whatever his name was on T._v.. Sean McDonough calling a football game a travesty and this is grotesque. What's going on out here? They're trying to move boys. I E we are nightmare of people sitting there. They're all my God. They're just throwing these guys out here and every time somebody gets hurt in week seventeen eighty well my God the N._f._l.. Owners are forced to do this and that again it's not I think there's a reason why they're terrible. Traffic is the biggest hole even example. They gave the example of this year one in every seven years. The Cleveland browns play. I WANNA say was a Kansas City chiefs. So this here you go out there and this latter season. Maybe you got playoffs locked up. Maybe you don't and then Baker Mayfield houses it out and to see the ticket holders sitting there like you mean. We're going to watch the game without Baker Mayfield he had to I probably call. It load managed to a game like that last year L._A.. chargers fan ambassador went to the game. Jimmy Garoppolo got hurt the week before guess what my interests were. It was like that look at it from the ramifications of players they have incentives or escalators in their contracts. If you're Antonio Brown one of the guys in the in the receiver and you're going to be evaluated on sixty it never plays sixteen but will check as he he plays fourteen most of the time because of injuries go look at his but the team looking split it but I'm assuming acting like guys don't get hurt and just guys get hurt a lot of these times when let's say thirty percent of the Tom guy gets held out is GonNa be for health reasons. He banged up people sit out all the time including and hurt. I'm assuming the team is going to choose which two games you sit out. If you have a player that is reaching that that possible incentive in his contract and let's say he's going to get the team has a porous secondary like the Oakland raiders vet several years. They're going to rescue that game because you will reach your incentive so now they don't pay extra half. You'd have the cash rules everything around me. I haven't seen that happen before. I'm point it goes on anyway regardless but you don't want to just go ahead and enforce the issue. Now give the team more of a platform to do some template is in game plans and everything based on contracts for ye issue to justify saying you're not gonNA plan to example actually actually no way example was Cleveland versus Phoenix Arizona this year. That's what's GonNa Happen in Phoenix. Baker Mayfield to perfect is the enemy of good. There's no perfect system. I think this is a good start but I don't think this is a good landing a good ending Dinka known because if there's too many ways to exploit both sides and not take full advantage of what they're really trying to do which is just getting more money. It's a media just give more money to the media headache mass proportion the one you're saying they're trying to avoid choice really not because again if you look across all four tiger woods didn't play golf last week and his choice not football with Clinton offers logged on different. Things doesn't not baseball Lebron. James AIN'T GONNA play every Lakers game football. It has been the case but it can. We had the losing amount of gay eighty two sixty to the N._F._l.. Used to not play black quarterbacks it change. What are you saying? Chain Fifteen fifteen games yeah Houston not play four college football game but you only play in the twin no matter what no because he knew because that is all centered around in the league with is again once again come on man you do know if they raised an additional two and a half billion dollars. You're going to have to know who's who says they're given the coaches and the organization to decide who starts his deep discretion discretion. That's going to be involved. We have not even roster Marcellus three lead. How you how you GonNa sit the next segment you two guys are exiting? This is at my discretion won't be in the next check. We won't change. We're actually doing football the imagine this your favorite team is playing. 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I don't know how fair that is to say. That's how he said because with gambling with everything going on in this league everything is going to continue to keep going up up up this important for all these guys to get every bit of their word. I WANNA see Z. Y.. P. I WANNA see a mark that has paid. I WANNA see myself be up there all right so Dak Prescott Doc user be polished articulate is DAX comments prove that contract negotiations between he and the cowboys are going poorly. Yes absolute proof you listen carefully to things you hear and pick up on one. Both sides are leaking oil right now. In both sides really I mean are hypersensitive to where this contract will land in the Court of public opinion and fan base. Stephen Jones started this gangsta stuff. He started this right at the super bowl coming out talking about DAX contract in the media you know why because he wanted to see where it was going lane and then now doc is forced to respond to do the negotiation outwardly because he wants one all the critics to understand. I hear Y'all I know what y'all saying. I'm not a thirty five million dollar quarterback but dammit it's appreciation. There's inflation. Nation so appreciate me and my value in having the second most wins that my position interleague and what I've done in terms of leadership in building his team and done more as you even said dinner Tony Romo at the time when he got pain surveys of divisional success and being a playoff quarterback that set you could just see that they both have rabbit ears and it's it's a sad state because just paid a man and deal with the pressure and all the issues that come from it but right now they're trying Wanna read all the tea leaves. I definitely think that this is a P._r.. Stunt by Dak Prescott because clearly the talks aren't going well. You can tell he's trying to be politically correct because he wants to sit up there and say Z.. Amari cooper they all deserved to be paid up there in the league and then also it has a hint of disingenuous. That's how I see it because that's why I read it the way that I read with concern you because because Doug Prescott would be a full to take team friendly deal but Dallas cowboys would be a fool to pay him top money thirty thirty five million dollars a quarterback simply because I think diagnose this if they pay him top money. They're not going to be able to pay Zeke what he's going to command. They're not GONNA be able to pay Amari Cooper then. I ain't GonNa Pay Bar Jones what he's GonNa want one. His contract comes up eh and then guess what then you're on a team that is dirt with talent and now you gotta bring it all on yourself as a quarterback and he's not that type of quarterback. He's not a Tom. Brady is not a drew brees. He's not a good rothlisburger so I think that once again you can definitely tell talks. Hawks are not going well because you would have not seen this P._R.. Stunt that he tried to pool and obviously it's something that he thinks people can't see through. It's too obvious donations. Don't pass the collection plate over here <unk> Stanford Paste. I said it yesterday with the Melvin Gordon Situation I after being a part of a tremendously high profile contract screw up and my career. I think you gotta work to try to keep things internally. Even if the franchise takes it to the media I'll say this when I went through what I went through with the redskins back when I was playing with them the the reason I'm why I came out on top in terms of public opinion with the fan base and the reason why I was able to walk away with my head held high and have integrity and feel good about how everything ended was because I didn't turn it into a messy public situation even though they work very very diligently to try to assassinate my character I look at a guy like Dak Prescott. I was coming off a pro bowl seasons off of having different defensive coordinator every single year and if you understand how hard it is to make a pro bowl see how hard it is to make it under a different defensive coordinator Dak Prescott did not have an amazing year by you know by all things measured after his sophomore season. It was a sophomore slump. He had an amazing rookie year came out of nowhere in a lot of people's books he gained the respect and admiration when you have the admiration and you're a media sweetheart and you're playing for America's team. Don't ruin that don't ruin that you let Zeke do that. Let let Zeke beat a character right. You're the quarterback of the tanks anyways doing it. Though it's very obvious what dad this is speculation relation on my part but we're Dacca's reaction to the pro football focus story that trashed him and what speculation on my part with Daqing his representatives believe is somebody in the cowboys organization dowd up and they know very well. Maybe tell the truth on well you gotTA candidate. Let them write the narrative for you. Family Average quarterback and then you go walk around to my won't thirty million. Here's cares those two go together is why I will disagree. I don't disagree with the premise of what you're saying. I will disagree with the approach. If you are in your community and your rooted in your community. Can you go to San Diego and people will listen and respect respect what it is that you say okay see what we don't understand is is the connection between the fan and a player. I think it's it's a lot of times in the media and even by the the franchises themselves is underestimated. The reason why came came out on top and the reason why I say keep it internal if you're willing to put it on the line for those dollars that means you see your value and some type of shape way or form and for what it's worth. You're probably assuming that the fan base feels that way as well right. I was in the streets not industry right so the reason why I didn't have to talk trash about the redskins and what was going on because they already knew they already knew. I don't have to go to the to the to the media and and go and put it all out there because I'm already out there chance show that the quarterback contract negotiation where quarterbacks ever said anything like this where quarterback has been publicly public statements like like this agents do this to me when that goes this route they've hit the panic button react to the pro football focus article that spelled out in numbers like hey bro we doing your favor and you took out the Dow and he's now been provoked and I think this under my he looks a little arrogant here where he's always played the humble role. Clearly Dak Prescott is getting thin skin. He's always kind of been the first three years the guy who's going to go ahead. Shed off all all the criticism. He's just going to keep a straightforward and just go ahead and be always but you can tell right here. He started to get thin skin and this is really just gonNA come down to a game of chicken between Dak Prescott in the front office. WHO's GonNa Blink first? Who's GonNa get going to get the team friendly deal or seeking to get that thirty five million? They're trying to negotiate right now and I think that for Deck Prescott if he wants to win a super bowl and then he can surpass everything that Tony Romo did because we all know he never won anything for the Dallas Cowboys. If he wants to win a super bowl he's going to have to go ahead and come up with their mountaintop and take a little bit less that where they can go and keep the planet so you the danger of the cowboys running to. Let's say he takes twenty seven million but feels bad about it and his attitude attitude changes he's not he's not the guy that stood by Jerry Jones during the anthem controversy again that to me and I think he's represented by Todd France right now with this move there being outnegotiated look at what the way Russell Westbrook handled his situation with the Seattle seahawks he'd net Russell Wilson Russell Wilson. He never put his name on anything. He handled it with leaks but he wasn't quoted saying anything he used used his wife. She wants to go to New York and the ambassador to say you know what you better have my money by such a problem you absolutely correct and you know why because they are in different places psychologically. Eh You WANNA know why they're different psychologically because their games are different. I'm GonNa tell you from my own experience. 'cause I was blessed to start at the Bottom Ivy League or he angle making league go all the way to the top all pro pro bowler he getting it to all the way back down. It's about time induced commentator name that just hold on himself this a fear based comet that comes and I remember when I started to play sorry not as well and I remember the difference with somebody. Finally Ali told me I was not playing and when you're going to negotiations and todd is on the phone with your deck he's giving you pure uncut dope and he said this is what they're saying and hit sting because he knew it e- he validated what they're saying now Russell Wilson here's what no way no way no. I'm doing everything and the fracture in his mind is finally what we just saw. In those comments you know the thing about it wit. Is You take a guy who has again. You had the admiration admiration on the fan base now put yourself out here like this and presenting yourself this way if they do give him the money he will never be able to live down or live up to what it is that they give he done. I'd say it would R._G.. Three I'M GONNA say right enough about to speak for yourself. Well the most fun you can have talking with locking Wiley even Jackson the Bar Errington back time now to get Shan't size. I see a man Dardanelle still off going winning a wedding uncle. Jimmy's filling in don't do the Hulkamania days. Hey you look dehydrated. Tell me what octane to come home and let the begging expert on Bacon over. We've talked about Josh. Norman man risk kids quarterback went to Spain me to do the running of the bull this video of him jumping over a bowl went viral. Yeah now sued the redskins be upset about this. He survived so no but don't do it again. Do it again move on wins. We used to hop over cars and high school. Do you really hopping over cars Marcellus Day. I I had a four thirty nine and a half. His vert vertical is different than ours about away. I don't get we don't we don't get us that. y'All know y'all I'M GONNA shoot. I'm not a job say he does. They should have a problem you know why not because he cleared the bull when he jumped on and it went viral. I'm thinking Manhattan my has some emotional issues that he's dealing with here man like you plan in n._F._l.. You gotTA contract going for warman too much money. When you go home and you're like man I could beat you running bench again to let's go right so but no I got too much to lose hamstring? You want to write your point four all right. Let's stick with football. You guys Mike Va Rabl told a podcast that he would cut off his you know what what is the you know what in exchange for he was just he justified this by saying Ryan. You guys would be married for twenty years one day and you won't need it on a scale of one to ten. What type of crazy is Mike variable stuck on to one eleven in the mind what? What he told I've been married for fourteen years and I'm proud to say every time I go home? It's like the first time like I see my chicken. I'm like man. I did all right. She got my last name causing me. I'm telling you right now. I'm not trading Martin a super bowl ring. Let alone something else because when I come home as long as dipstick is your car thank. You got to make sure that the level of oil is is that these the be all be all right all right man. Hey you got a low uses rate right. We are pro football. Focus says uses rate to when engine lodge when your engine locks up. You can't use the car no more. I'm GonNa tell you his wife. The are blowing up right <music> now question who said that I can't get away. Oh right speaking of my guy. Stephen Even Jackson posted something on Instagram. Yesterday I need. You ought to take listen to what the guy had to say. Listen wouldn't burn first of all. It should be a rule if you ain't ever it's twenty points at all your career for a season as an average ten for career. You shouldn't be talking basketball on T._V.. Let me let me add this. If you have baked on instagram calling how people about how `bout not ever I'm having all the time I actually had a question motoman man your way mad bonds nine point seven rounded out the point. I want you to say this in front of Matt Barnes Talk to him every day. He said he never seen close Steve. Let me ask you Bruce Bowen. Oh what about what he wants them championships he wasn't that good. I wouldn't cry criteria under the League. He wanted to where he can't tell. I said he was a great defender but he can't tell looked at me he wasn't he was a great defender. Okay yourself first before we started. What provoked the comedy? What's this about? The match. Max Out of question has approved Steph curry guy with three championships. The two PS are James James Talk for basketball player on TV and say that that kills all his intention said Steph curry do no damage Jones Jones kills his credit all basketball peasants hegarty because it seemed like you have an agenda. I think they right mind knows. Steph has nothing to prove with three championships into M._v._p.'s. If you go on TV and say we know you live in Houston. We know that you friends with the guys go find another job. You're killing nine integrity and I had to say something because this is my job. I just want to know my good you. I almost stacks hold on this back next segment smoke. I thought it was great but I also thought it was convenient criteria for you to get in then you know like to exclude a lot of other people like let's just be real. Why is it not like all N._B._A.? Or are all stars and stuff. Why is this ten points like 'cause Tim points is still scrubbing work ain't it? That's that's how important not it's not bad no mice. I'm on defending honestly and I'm not even GONNA put a name on it but man if you just barely made it in the N._B._A.. Because you were tall or we once a year we doing. I just don't know when you come out with statements like this. It does make it seem like what this is the only way to take me tro away attention to roll on that team when people expect us to give honest opinion and not say stuff because we're trying to be friends with people and that's basically what he said on T._V.. I think the beauty of it is is that you got real. Cats have done it and have been. They're calling it out. I think that that's what makes it pretty pretty cool because again I was saying before is levels to this right. I can speak to things that apply to be in a perennial pro bowler at times being an all pro or in college being an all American but I'm not going to be a hall of Famer right so to start if I start going into the ram was talking about what the goal jackets are going to talk about. Now I went out of my lane knocked. Stay in my lane. He could stay in his lane and talked to it to to the level with. I was on the team with these guys. I understand it from the level of playing with these guys. I wasn't that guy but I play with these guys the credibility of also no to we've been real. I didn't on T._V.. Because somebody caught made a call so I can talk good about him. Oh I got him from my natural hard work and Opportunity Damn funny that they are you wanNA party like a football star well Saturday July twentieth one and only drakes Beach Club on the Las Vegas Strip. You can join tied down the side that do Marcellus Wiley entire retire. Speak for yourself crew at the Pool Party of the summer for tickets and more information visit drains group DOT com. I'M GONNA I'M GONNA come heckled in his own back with locking Wiley Stephen Stephen Jackson bonds or back unless moved to Houston which is where the thunder just sent Wessel Russ Russell Westbrook in exchange for Chris Paul and a bunch of draft picks Russ has been top dog okay see since Kevin Durant left advocated a triple double and all three seasons but now he joins a team with another M._v._p.. And James Harden who has been known to occasionally enjoy somewhat being a ball dominant style player today will the triple double streak survived the move to Houston millette basketball ballplayers talk but the points will be the same SIS will suffer and it rebounds will go up autumn long three misses. You know that Jack Rabid GonNa go get all though so that's how I say he falls just short of the triple double. I think it stays. I think they find a way to make this work like I said these guys are on the same page hope they sit down and have a long talk and figure out knowing that these two guys if we have any shot of making a run it's going to be between us and I think you see amazing play from both of them this year again but okay so he did a lot of things to allow Paul Russell to do that. No they did not. They did not allow him to get it going. You can't allow somebody on your team to get a triple double. They go get it and you can't allow them for three straight. He's going there. He's GonNa get this. Thank triple double because it's energy and the way he plays the Saint Louis Not GonNa Change You. Do you think Russell Westbrook took the court saying I want to get a triple double tonight one that I say that too but I don't do it. I I want to win tonight. I think he said I want to triple his added in winning. If I can get a triple double is gonNA help us win but you can't take a triple double way from a guy in the N._B._A.. You average a triple Dover's falls assist totals were the worst since his rookie year playing in Houston because you stand off to the side while James James Harden is the Human Personality Russ personality. Get here just as other. I don't think back to your point saying that Russia's going according to triple double. He may say that because he needed to do that for that team to win. He needed to have a lot of assists a lot of rebounds a lot of points from in the win so if that just happens to be a triple double that's how we've raised too though right he does everything the reason reason why I know it's premeditated and calculated is because the night that he did the twenty twenty twenty deal and because he wanted to shout. I wasn't impressive to you. It was but again it's he's not about winning and I think when they when they gave away and that's just the way I to win like when he moved to the Houston they're going to have more. They're gonNA have no choice but to focus more on winning not on a gimmick and so I just mystic Chris Paul's assist numbers went down planning Houston Russell Westbrook's assist numbers are going to go down and I think when you're standing off in the corner half asleep when James Harden doing his thing. You're going to get less rebound. It was weird like playing sports all those years. Some people got caught up in fundamentals when fundamentals are nothing but a means to an end the end is high. Did you get the ball in a hole. The end is that you get the quarterback on the ground and a lot of times we get lost complexion of things. This is not something that should get lost. A triple double is in process to serve your team in winning. Joe Triple doubles triple double so we can lose listen. Listen what I'm about to say before we go to address how the N._B._A.. In Oklahoma City should remember Russell Westbrook's time in a thunder uniform of course there are already calls for the thunder to retire the mad kings number zero triple double fee and his m._v._p.. Trophy over the course of eleven years with the team. He's the greatest thunder of all time and arguably the most electrifying athlete in the state of Oklahoma since Barry Sanders ran wild and Oklahoma state yeah but I think Westbrook's impact on basketball extends well beyond the state of Oklahoma. That's why I believe the Golden State Warriors should also retire Russell X. number zero his contribution to the Golden State Dynasty. It should never be forgotten without westbrook's angry self absorbed trigger-happy style of play Kevin Durant likely never would have left okay see for the Walkman Golden State owner Joe Laker pronounced immediately after the rams departure for Brooklyn they detainees number would be retired. Why not a double ceremony class that also celebrates the man primarily responsible for delivering durant to the bay? Hold your applause. I'm not quite done. I would be remissed <unk> overlooked Colin cowherd stellar performance in the Russell Westbrook Saga. It would be negligent for those of us who love the N._B._A.. To fail to honor the host of the heard for at least the last five years cowherd withstood the criticism of his media. I appears and former N._B._A.. Players and pointed out that Westbrook was overvalued cancer who is nearly impossible to play with when Westbrook won the league's M._V._p.. In two thousand seventeen after completing his first stat padding triple double season cowherd. I heard not waver he's delusional ball hog and he's bad on television games and against five hundred or better teams and those are the Games that get on TV. He shoots thirty nine percent not on threes. He shoots thirty nine percent Lebron close to fifty five percent in K.. D. leaving was good for Westbrook. What am I watching nine total players and six teammate who get considerable minute shoot a better field goal percentage? He won't stop shooting all right in two thousand seventeen cowherds critics including yours truly thought he was trolling Westbrook as an intention grab. How can you disrespect a man averaging a triple double? No one's average a triple double since Oscar Robertson. Jason Kao Hurts take was and is the stuff of legend and for that cowherd should be honored alongside Russell Westbrook Westbrook's fraudulent stats are going to be immortalized. Should we not immortalize the man who recognize westbrook spread fraudulence I when the thunder raised Westbrook zero to the rafters. I'm nominating Cowher to introduce even Jackson Matt Barnes or back. Let's move to Oklahoma City. which is what Chris? Paul all is doing after being traded for Russell Westbrook yesterday fall is now in the in his mid thirties and came painfully close to unseating Golden State during his time in Houston but for now he's been exile to a rebuilding thunder team and reportedly will be shipped hip to get another team before all is said and done question here is do you feel bad for Chris Paul and the way his career is ending. I don't feel bad for him. Several reasons one I feel bad for Carmelo Anthony and Dwight Howard desk the lowest. Oh Wisconsin Gory of good great player that I feel bad for so that's the lowest lows Chris. Paul are used to feel bad for him. How everything worked out for me didn't have a championship and people were knocking them for that but then he had an opportunity to redeem me at all and then he went to Houston and had a chance had hamstring damn? Are I feel bad for Chris. Bad timing never got an opportunity really win a championship and then this year he was healthy and this year was the redemption year for me and I was like go get Chris and I saw aw for whatever reasons the team construction him James Not Getting along whatever it was. It didn't work out then I said I'll remove myself feeling bad for Chris Paul because he's not in the worst category where we know others dwell so Chris Paul in the situation like a lot of greats. Now everybody win a championship. It's all good Charles Barkley and others. I'm not feeling bad for Chris because he still has opportunity looks like lions feeding do some damage and he's still getting a check crazy check. I don't feel sorry for him. I mean he he. He's a guy that I always I want to play with my career. I never got a chance to and it's not he's not the first person has happened to happen to a lot of guys that we care about that. We play with so I'm as part of the business. I don't feel bad one because he's you know he's blessed. He has a beautiful families. Make a lot of money early in his career is not over and I think people looked at his diminish stats last year but have to take into consideration the situation he was in. I'm sure whatever situation he lands in next outside of okay see he'll. He'll he'll get back to the Chris Paul we know and love may the the staggering number to use to but he could still play could still lead a team and he's still got a lot more basketball and I do feel sorry for him for for one reason he had a chance to get to l.. A. Kobe Bryant and win. The Lakers were rolling Roland and David Stern step in and stop that that changed the entire narrative. I think Chris Paul and to me the thing I really like about Chris and the reason why I feel sorry for what my favorite play face leaders of all time <hes> is Isaiah Thomas and Chris kind of pattern himself after Isaiah Isaiah led the Union Chris. Paul leaves the Union. I think that L. A. Opportunity with Kobe was tremendous and it was taken away from him and he's Never GonNa GonNa have the basketball legacy that I think he wanted for himself. As a champion and a great leader probably not going to happen. I feel bad you know what's funny about that. He never got over that either. If y'all listen to his introductory press conference as Clipper hip tate exactly what he was going to say as a Laker he'll love this franchise organization all the success that wouldn't clippers in he brought that to the clippers he was still stuck on being a Laker and amazing how that really thwarted him in a different direction and it just seems like if the forecast this is out there for what Chris Paul is GonNa going forward. It might not end clean cleanly like for a lot of guys Kobe Kobe wheels came off right and you know Jordan was a little different but it still wasn't Jordan. It just seems like Chris put himself in that position to say this about Chris. I mean you hear a lot about him but he's someone that I will go to war with every single day outside of Kobe Alan Iverson Stephen Jackson one of the most competitive people I've ever played with. He cares about nothing more than winning inning. It's never been about him. It's never been about stats. It's been about him winning and like I said he doesn't have to his legs. He doesn't have to end with the championship for him to still be one of the greatest point guard we've ever seen. I think we talked a little bit off the he's got an abrasive personality and I can relate to that because I do as well and and he's he's not afraid of conflict and that he's paying a price for that right now again in the right situation. This guys guys wanted great leaders in N._B._A.. History he just never got that right to you got good insurance. Jimmy's here working T._S._A.. Today you don't have like editor good. I'm walking got you big dummy of the day you big dummy. Oh man this is a good woman. Big Dummy Goto the person that had the big dumb ass look on their face while Marcellus was telling the story about his Daddy Sandson Ryan Slowin. Are you hungry or you just need to sit there like I remember Oh then. You've got to stop that you on T._v.. Wit Oh you saw it but I imagine it was gazing wishes highlight from our discussion earlier about Chris Ball. This isn't even more his dumbest move two years ago he gave up Patrick Beverley Lou Williams and Montrose Aero for Chris Paul in Hindsight that trade was a colossal screw up the stay still into the Clippers Lakers Denver Utah Portland were acting like donkeys out their free agency and they realized what are we going to do all right uncle Jimmy gotta take on Chris Paul. Wow you gotta take on Chris Paul. Yeah I do man honestly. I like Chris Palm yes he. He's a nice little fellow you know he he's he's good player Likable Guy President or the N._B._A.. Union kind of John Stockton Ish you put Chris Paul's Legacy on the same as John Stock. That's John Stockdale's the all time assist leader but close. I love John Stock Right there. I mean the John Stockton. He didn't win. A ring either did well. He did not a lot of people think he should want to ring no. They were yeah so that's that's all. I'm saying so I it's very apple quo. Are you going to be on. Let me tell you what Chris Paul Remember for and I'm GonNa be one hundred which the commercials that overshadow his career no. I'm saying that's what happens to all or mostly all great athletes when they careers remembered today commercially commercials go okay. Let me give an example zero when I say his name will come to your mind Jason Don't do that. Mercer was the O.. J. Was the first black athlete endorsed by Major Corporation Hertzen. Remember remember that run into right remember them. Commercials was B. He runs through the airport running from T._S._A.. Jumping over jumping over suitcases jumping over barricades T._S._A.. People Screaming J. go he ran through the rental car. Place Jones straight into the White Bronco took off going down to four five people screaming hanging Gomo Jay go AH puffy video conversion. Stop like that. I got home. I know peyton manning was he wasn't famous for super bowls who were both in Omaha Papa. John's pizza the man he's the one that came up with the one topping five ninety nine Saturday special. I'm Terry out I understand y'all live in high on the whole Curio. I don't understand say Peyton manning may a gourmet meals affordable for the American family anybody else so by Papa John's a John's wasn't honestly K. O. J. O. that ain't good enough for you. Let me try let me try lease do mean Joe Greene. You got us there. Remember the commercial. They're remember after the game he drinking drinking a bottle with a little boy and there's a little boy standing. You thought he was great though to bottle leuke Jersey at this point but you know hey man ahead to Jersey and he liked oh thanks lean joe and then you know the tagline came up you. Don't you have a coconut smile right now. Let me says this why Y'all had me on the show because I feel in the blanks John know about who was supposed to play their part. Lonsdale Keppel Messing up the lines. Oh God kept talking about how you I do. I just Koko Smile because I haven't opened smile. You'll be all right. He kept missing Lana. Many through the Little Mirror was the road hundred dollar bills on man producer like what he like. Look Lawrence just sing the song just saying laws live a lie to snort big harmony and through those hills leave. Let me get to my approve already. Go gentle them off team anymore. Mortgage the sixty seven sixty seventies okay oh player right now down all star player that contract and the role player. That's I got him at seventy nine did drop them as well. He was dealing with a lot I I.

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morning to you could gino you were you're on red eye to go play in the big three in atlanta end i've i've flown i'm i'm i'm gonna read i got big red eye guy i love read us the best right same time you lose a day like i'm playing back east today like another trick were read us when people don't understand right red eyes when you when you get there right it's early in the morning you have the full day yeah i would suggest this is my my opinion is great for the body i going to call like a float tank right so the flow tank if you sit in the flow tank for hours equipment the four hours a deep sleep okay so wherever cd what city you're going to boston ice oh be 'perfect boston has been so you go to boston we get the ball and 'cause i'm doing that next week to go to boston 'cause replaying rhode island of the big three on saturday somebody electron exactly yeah so we gotta get help you gotta get the cash you know i'll be okay among mocking me when i hear fast so anyway when he could be me you 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you you're you're alert came up that collide leonard chosen the clippers like was it do with paul george with the with the different notification what was actually on your phone in quiet paul george to the clippers and the first thing i said was i cannot wait to go to these games i'm like i'm will be at the staple center every day from the lakers clippers i gotta go see those games you have legitimately four of the top five players know for the top five a think about this eighty okay is the best bank yes right you go lebron james top five scoreless top five year old george top five and you have who's next gm honest honest yeah you could you could argue we put james harden in there but i mean come on right now look great with katie her you wouldn't put him on that when you know when i put my heart i of course in katie zone and he's filing you have gifts well well there's five in the top five so i just i we will do this like oh he's a top five player like well okay houten i'm okay going top ten laurel caught top ten but i'm saying keep katie's hurt no no i'm i'm i'm with you i make you know were not counting staffer whenever and wherever you put stuff on the list you could probably be a top ten player right but still have four players are live examiner whatever they were doing right i think is in thirty thirty guys and you have five the top ten for the past four thirty right for fifteen fifteen team you know what fifty four fifty and you have but you have the top oh let's i like you're number better i don't know if i agree with that but for the top five players on earth yeah in one building in different to yeah it's crazy it's it is currently it it is crazy and then yeah i'm building okay so there's a bunch of different parts to it and everybody looks kind of it immediately lakers clippers who do you like better if we saw in the lakers were a little bit held hostage by this right so they filled out their roster man wit danny he green and mhm avail mcgee is back marcus cousins back there quinn cook alike 'em let's see i think i think i think jill mcgee is gonna have a great year being all year underneath lebron james and develop the games already working out super her mike i need a puppet bob kobe's jim mambas sports academy a i think you're gonna have a meeting year being a year underneath the ground like i say troy daniels is the shooter choice in the shooter danny green shoots jared dudley the great you a locker room guy come in a game halley harry challenged crews a believer that i think that's true so be their starting point guard on the starting point guard more you start you start quinn cook he can't start you're gonna start rhonda yeah i guess so i think i mean alex they love out true so there i look he's a great pass and looking at any of he's a good athlete and he's been through there to lay system and look i think lebron ultimately will also play a good amount of points are really excited for demarcus cousins you're the you're the honestly only one but okay now i am because listen demarcus cousins wells and the box because of the marcus cousins is twenty tony tony eight years old guy yeah i just think being with the brian james is actually a blessing because it's gonna get his body if he does the right thing in the right place you should be i listen i i agree with all of that point not giving him a message here's the problem though the problem is show me eight traditional big guy who's ever played well and played with lebron james lebron likes the big guys he wants his five to be out in the corner so that there's nobody at the rim he wants space so then he can play bully ball and get downhill maybe you don't have that you are you having previously had that he pees if he's a tough guy too though yeah me can but i mean and and then the other problem is you need somebody defend the room and he just can't he just doesn't move like that but the good thing about him is i would really focus on my new my my my conditioning turf my body i will focus on that so if i'm not even playing a lot i i can't wash this year because i'm working on my conditioning in my mental health like i'm working on a lot of those things because there's aiding is diverge darrelle there's a lot of different guys on that team well you don't have to really play forty minutes a game every single game i like that for demarcus because you you you you around winners now like lebron james gonna show you how to win and then you're still young you could be able to go do that for you self me on doug gottlieb in for dan an end the dannettes so one of the pieces of this story which is super interesting is that there was at least some discussion with toronto about the possibility of paul george end russell westbrook headed to toronto but toronto box because they didn't wanna send pascal seok come back in return right 'em i i don't know about you look i'm not in love with russell westbrook's contract and i do think the russell can be hard to play with and i think you know one of the things at the stat guy who points out will russell westbrook's average a triple double three years in a row like okay statistically that makes him the greatest player the greatest player a in modern nb a history i'd be the first guy since os robbers and do it and do it three years in a row or it just shows that the stats have changed because of the number of possessions and an end the way in which you know games are played now well you don't have some footage anymore to write his late father on big switching on big guy so we can get some of those rebounds what about whatever that is i just the four zero five in the league are not really rebounders lights right it was when i played or before i play where they're like knock you and you're but as a guard tried to steal the money right that's ashley their money not your say you know what i mean by four men get paid no so 'em anyway the idea that toronto wouldn't we don't know what level it got to mhm but if you're muslim messiahs yeary like they're kind of left with we have a couple expiring contracts like kyle lowry and an mark assault contracts expiring and then i guess they wanna build around rebuild around pascal see aquaman oji and there'll be i mean like that now when she might have saying i know wouldn't you want to run it back with the well if collide leonard and paul george and russell westbrook no i'm not a fan but i mean you you really like save it failed now now the city's against you whereas though call larry's a favorite there right he's been there so long right like i just would they what would you can't get the city back after that happens when russell westbrook paul george gets hurt they they're not they they have world stu gods are not known to be helping guys one if quite leonard stays there and he's on that you know a management for the body think i'm not really sure how that's gonna feel for them i just you know there's just i dunno about the running back of all those guys do you think oklahoma city i i do think that one of the things that happens you put russell westbrook name in a trade and you've got some splaine into the right you got some explaining to do right now apparently him in his in his agent they discuss like the next step it feels like the next next step is being traded i mean unless they do they oklahoma city thing in find a way to bring in another guy which is what they've they've found a way to previously do you think he he remains with the thunder i i do because you think about it that he's on his twelve fear injured every single time at forty three million dollars for the next four years who's picking it up i don't really know i just i mean listen i would take russell because i know that this is joe johnson was traded twice on contracts the people's lebron tradable i know mike mike conley steel was the biggest in history dnb eight when he signed it and there were stopped at that was unbelievable man that one was moved here move later right like yeah like this is life right now it's like you just signed paul george and now you're talking about getting rid of you know you're franchise player that fast like i i don't you make good point mike conley joe johnson stone i dunno i forty three million dollars so it's it is a lot of money high here here's what were new current butler is gonna join us upcoming next we will get his thoughts on what this means for the lakers what it means for lebron what it means for the clippers what do you think happens next with russell russell westbrook an a an end will just get his reaction then jason whitlock is gonna join us as well so we got a bunch we got a bunch to get to that upcoming next week to moberly i'm doug gottlieb we here at podcast want wanna say thank you for listening to this show we'd also like to ask a small favor of you it'll only take a few minutes and if you're one of the first people who does it will give you a little something in return we want you 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acquire paul george and it was just a great basketball season through and through a bag of the great bob barr says well yeah i i you know it's weird m i thought he would fit better what the clippers the lakers a because he's just he's not a spot up guy right and lebron needs spot up guys more so right playoffs lebron i think him with the clippers timmy made more sense i would rather not rather because i love paul georgia's well but i would i would i would love to see k d y l lay hey what the clippers what the patrick beverley lou williams machos heralds of the world but a lot of people were like believing this whole laker you know the bron co why indian in the personnel wise it didn't fit see my psyche as well as he did where if he was with another superstar in a down home with the clippers we say well look i think bronze plan preserve gay and that's the the reason i felt like it made sense from a basketball standpoint because you got anthony davis got cow coups ma who i think it's gonna be a future all star game in if you were able to acquire quiet leonard in ask him now you can get the game and the best bet you wanna get if you brian possibly playing with little ronnie on this page on the platform in preserving the longest possible in i think that if you got a guy that player you so that you could split their time between three four stars in college who will be a wild litter it'll be well that would have been appropriate for it's interesting preservation the preservation game in trying to get you know trying to you know wean off some of these these minutes so they could remain dnb as long as possible koran butler joining us 'em what about the decision for paul george like you had a chance go delhi last last year you chose not to and then a year in you say thanks but no thanks please trade me from the oklahoma city thunder and he takes a social media say it's not about russell westbrook but isn't on some level has to be about russell westbrook i would they not necessarily i think the emotional decision i think you know once we leave a situation like the indiana pacers then you go to the western conference and you know how it is a players react to all the bullshit in you having a great time you're going to the play offs you're playing russell westbrook a thing with the reigning mvp at the primary things this born up work that's a great that's a great moment of immigration field and he he signed nolan and he signed off of the loan call but then you start seeing that you will will have the shoulders of low for a foreseeable future in the injuries the face are happening russell westbrook thirty years old you look at your career you look at your injury his three year you start you know thinking about some of the decisions that you make like you know what i probably would have been happy house where i think that the opportunity presented itself so where plan will collide leonard and you know the best healthy player on the planet reaching out to you were saying look i would love to hear what you said they would they would make go away but after happy that was just amazing that look he jumped donated i picked the great because it's all you have to pay the bill russell westbrook fair fair that will be the story of the hitler it is interesting that here's collide leonard and the the the the quote from this piece and i think those ramona shelburne piece was unnamed source saying for a quiet guy why is the hell of a recruiter wire first he comes up katie is like hey man meaning you in the clippers and katie's i am thinking more about the knicks i wanna go to new york so then he calls paul george stores like me and you the clippers and these guys they're friendly and they played against tailoring in growing up in college but they're not boys like that's that is not the quiet leonard that we've been told that that has has been presented to us right we we just thought he was quite kept himself did his own thing to go out and recruit paul george pretty amazing look i think i'll bet you required i think he does go talk to the media he talked to his well you don't talk to the media and that's not a bad thing i mean you do what he's supposed to do you handle is business and he let the chips fall where they may but he has a great relationship of his peers in a best perspective i think that's what it's all about you play for the respect of your peers and i think a lot of people are gonna try to going forward a duplicate what why liberated free agency and also what he's doing it is career extremely quiet in the way that he go about his business hey you know a current and i have a we like brothers let me tell you why we have a a something in common data impact the live a max good gmc i sure so you're a plumber talking i just talked to mill they cut me out animal speaking for my daughter five is heard all all of that starting our you know i just talked to ron yesterday yeah my my matt matt though i do a okay so so what about russia now a alone in oklahoma city with stephen adams contracting dennis schreuder and they they trade per shea shea a she alexander said guild is alexander what do you think happens with rush did they did they make another deal to bring somebody the play with what do you think they move rest up i'm russell westbrook i'm talking about sam presi today after portrayed in i'm trying to find a destination for me it was paid for my foreseeable future thirty one thirty two thirty three thirty four i need the pizza titled ad i don't think you're gonna be able to do that they're they're you know it's almost like from organizational standpoint they when repeal vote he cannot go through that at the age of thirty year ago yeah that makes sense man then you get to that thirty one thirty two thirty three like you living your view main focus i gotta win a chip he's got everything you yes but like again if this is what you got from paul george expectations are some sort of herschel walker esque trade for were no matter what the salary is they're gonna want a king's ransom in return oh they're not yeah i would think so but it's worse will there's a way in you know people talk conversations happen in his ways the maneuver things to you know make it a best where everybody and i think that he had who work hand in hand with a crash at the oklahoma city thunder find a way to get out of here detroiter miami miami miami he easy come easy call weatherwise but i guess the question is what assets they have sent back i come from a basketball standpoint it just makes the both detroit gonna be in the playoffs blake griffin got derrick rose over their great code now that makes sense that makes sense it post exposure pat riley my whole it's easy you know it's it's an attractive place to go you got jimmy now i did i did i said i i totally agree with that that cat you know how this game businessman you can't be like in the fourth quarter just like a scary movie bad you see a michael myers running around reliable quality the then all of a sudden you felt became a cure for a couple of guys you dumped used drawn butler joining us you know you go to therapy mike myers okay last last thing the lakers 'em they are danny green they bring back jail mcgee that demarcus cousins quinn cook a contagious colwell pope is back i just can't eat they just can't quit drinking david cone home jared dudley what do you think of the roster that they end up putting around the bron in eighty i like it i really do because they put a ton of versatility you put guys around them they're gonna have their own adversity that they wanna break through you look at the marcus cousins and he he won't approve a lot of dollars more on danny green 'perfect situation who year thirty barely while then you look at casey seen i think you know this is gonna be a breakout year hill working out every morning five thirty eight you work in this game chris who i love what he's doing so up i just think that they have a lot of people who were anthony davis cow coups were i just think that it's gonna be a big year for the law they're just like just thanks so much for joining us man i really appreciate you know problem rather than the current butler tough juice joining us on the dan patrick show here on fox sports radio so my coach loves him so much max good loves loves loves i think he's between crying and i like he's do well he's got enough just amazing personal kind of story preservation and making it now trying to make in broadcasting he's got a great work ethic and you know he's got a small he's got his own small businesses well is really remarkable guy by the way this from todd firm in a or acsi from bed online a russell westbrook game one of next nbc's in vegas betting on the thunder thunder still the favorites knicks at two to one heat at four to one pistons at six to one rockets six to one and timber wolves seven i would i i'm with that i i think the knicks are are more likely to to make a move because this would be their chance to get that superstar they have not gotten and they'd be willing to overpay and they do have young assets that a frankly miami doesn't have an i'm not sure that detroit has and then you have to troy would have to be willing to take on that mass the salary plus you'd have to be willing to go right right at the gate after that point so i did the whole thing is 'em is super interesting i like miami because you gotta think about the clippers right we messed up the clippers was is far as coaching getting organization well how is being run now it's like doc rivers and jerry west blah it's like you're investing in that right you invested in pat riley investing eric you invested in now they have jimmy butler you're investing in what dwayne wade has a built i just i i don't mind miami russell there with jimmy is but what about a white side he got traded yeah portland yeah that's what i'm saying like they got they got they got rid of they got rid of that salary and a part of a deal that ended up mo heartless ends with the clippers man out of the way in other parts of the clippers at you live eight momo heartless his versatility coming off the bench yeah he works hard i love it but that's the only thing you just need something else miami's one more little piece slain one more more the one little piece you need you know jimmy butler an russell westbrook and then you're saying you're saying if you get russell but you need a little more any one more little when you think well let's fucking jason whitlock speak yourself it's on fox sports one longtime journalist he joins us in he correctly predicted correctly called it on his own show 'em on friday when everyone else is saying lakers or go back he said clippers will take a victory lap did you see paul in your in your crystal ball jason did you see paul george walking sam prestige athens insane trade me right now as well no what i saw was the clippers clippers working overtime to get eight second star borderline superstar to play alongside co why i didn't know who it was who they could get a get i think paul george make the most obvious then he's someone that originally one of the return home and play in las angeles any of the guys the plan with russell westbrook and he was probably the easiest to get started convinced that individual player but yeah i saw them killing time or assault co why killing a given the clippers and opportunity to land the second player so it makes sense because of the court okay that makes sense so the idea is this like proudly didn't love the idea of playing with lebron lakers but it was his best option if it was toronto where they're like i really wanna go back the toronto so it's kind of hey you know he's he's creating leverage to motivate the clippers for this kind of herschel walker type of deal so do you think this reflects negatively on lebron james that he was once again not only shunned by but like let's be honest he's shown by paul george last year end even this year paul george could've walked in this year and say hey gimme gimme the lakers right now you think this reflects poorly on the run i think it's twofold i think that collide leonard is a different to an he's a real old school competitor and so i think why joining teams were the brian james just didn't make sense with his personality and so i think why for ever since lebron arrived in las angeles with the lakers i think humans committed to getting to the clippers so i i think it's a unique situation with kawai leonard in his personality now can you ignore the fact that i think there's a group of guys when when you got kevin durant's saying there's a toxic environment around the bra and i don't think the rent meant that they superduper negative comment about what brian is just it's just the fact the environment around the bron lebron you know promotes moats drama he's passive aggressive i don't think he's the greatest leader like a lot of people celebrating the b a n again i you know i don't think he's a horrible leader either but i don't think he's a great leader the the michael jordan and some other guys around me mbh have been and so yeah i think there's some guys that have figured it out that if you're a great player and you go play alongside lebron just the facts are because of his mentality you're gonna be meant and because of the style of play the ron likes to enjoy where he is the system you're gonna be diminished and so i think some guys kind of figure that out and figure it out you know i'll go play someplace else especially with co why winning a championship on his own i i think the super team era is probably a bit over and got 'cause again kevin durant golden joins the super team and it's so frustrated by the lack of credit in glory he's receiving this dougal the brooklyn so i i think the bronze system or he's the system his power mbh his influence olivier it's kind of wayne 'em chris carter who seemed to have the inside track a lot of information jason jason whitlock joining us i'm doug gottlieb along with casino mobley this is the dan patrick show on fox sports radio chris carter who is one of my teammates at fox over on fox sports one with his show first things first tweeted out all the information that link from magic's conversations with co wise team didn't help the lakers case so here's the lakers are trying to desperately trying to get eight third star to play with a with lebron james scalise can't made it obvious don't say nothing the nobody about nothing right in and all of a sudden you get leaks coming out that oh you know quite talked imagine you wouldn't believe this but he talked to magic about management about how about this about that like wow were really getting a lot of insight into did did magic trying save personal face it ended up screwing up once again to the lakers i think magic always try the third a stay personal phrase magic the brand and has made a lot of money rampton gave the guy that everybody loves the magic always gonna serve magic interests above any team organization anybody that hires it do i think you played any role in why go to the clippers absolutely not it magic had never said a word i my belief is this is just my opinion fit collide leonard was going into the clippers 'cause he doesn't wanna play alongside lebron james he wanted his own team the league he's just that kind of competitor i think magic is just a nice little sidebar about magic johnson did him running his mouth have anything to do with one in hawaii where the lakers no i don't believe that i said i said the same thing jay we agree about okay so now what what russell westbrook what do you think happens there i mean how did this is like kind of this is like you know be in an i i do think it it it would be salvageable situation for oklahoma city to say hey hold on we could lose some assets and get somebody else to play with but when his name gets mentioned is being offered up in a trade to toronto i think that's like calling the divorce attorney and then telling you i've no no no no let's work this thing out a but what do you think becomes a russell westbrook in his time with he's done i i think the you know in about thirty minutes collin county are gonna be taken a big victory lap a way ahead of the curve gear on russell westbrook and just got not playing a style of basketball this conducive the winning a guys don't wanna play with him russell westbrook is old he's taking the shine off is triple double he's taken the shine off of his mvp still gives a nice little gimmick but russell westbrook play the dumb style of basketball he plays very hard is it's funny take you hey let's go see russel westbrook get a triple double but it's not a winning style of play and he has been diminished in all of this over the from the katie leaving now paul george leaving he's been diminished and all of this at any team gets him thinking they're winning a championship is is crazy now does he have a chance you know he's still relatively typically young and ten he adjust his style of play i hope so and and and if if the guy can't take the message from all of this happened in the past couple of two or three years he really needs to help over therapists press a button i hope he adjusted style of play but i at a guy that i know i get this is we talked about this before chase is i just don't think you can adjust you can't do what he's done for twelve years knows who you are who was who in the world celebrates jim is this show the triple double you guys oh you don't understand how valuable he is and you know what the what the washing women with a current butler say michael myers gillam years he said what he said that's like telling michael myers stop being a killer in front of the thirtieth i'd like to do that again but this is a lot like look this is like lebron james trying to convince collide leonard no no no no no it's gonna be you're team like i do but every team you've ever played on since you were in eighth grade you're a team like this is not the way it works right like i get it some guys reinvent themselves it doesn't feel like i mean who is russell westbrook's idle kobe bryant kobe bryant one reinvent himself nobody no matter how old he was i don't think russell westbrook is either no matter what we had five titles backing up his power play in his philosophy russell westbrook doesn't have that an russell westbrook again we didn't take a dump on koby universally the way we are or on russell westbrook moving forward he's he's a bit of a laughing at it again i'm not saying it's gonna happen but he has all the motivations in the world to adjust to the southwest the tv show speak three south concede every day every afternoon noon on fox sports one is jason whitlock follow him on twitter rita stuff there where thanks so much for joining us appreciate you are presenting a robot that jason whitlock correctly called the clippers and exactly how it would take place on friday and it did in fact take place friday night i will break down what he said what is it mean for lebron what is it mean for co why what is it mean for a forum for for russell westbrook a how how how can you expect dnb eight to feeling react today you'll find out next week tina mobley i'm doug gottlieb this the dan patrick show okay this is just a thirty second commercial and i'm gonna throw a lot of numbers at you but please please stay with me in just fifteen minutes you could save fifteen percent or more on car insurance the company has been offering great rates and great service for seventy five years it's geico i've been using for a long time myself and anytime you need help you could speak to one of their train specialists twenty four seven no recordings the company geico go to geico dot com today sorry for all the numbers but i've been a fan and a customer guy go for a long time and five four three two one amount stay tuned for sixty seconds of eight me news headlines right after this podcast i gotta believe we've got about ten minutes left hand a lie so we've we've heard opinions of gambling e l eight times around butler topped juice jason whitlock a well silom i mentioned we had somebody out to be just like we have somebody else on with the baby a baby in tonio day where the antonio tonio daniels is well an let let let's start with russell westbrook because now his his future very much up in there and they trade away jeremy grant an like i i understand that the last thing paul george wants to be is disrespectful to russell westbrook right the last thing he wants to be because russell westbrook wanted him and recruited him and made him feel welcome and welcomed in his city to his team mhm but as much as we can say this is about the thunder and not having enough shooting in the limitations of oklahoma city it's always like look if russell westbrook steam it's about russell westbrook right i mean that in it fair to be at least partially actually doesn't you don't put all the blame at the feet of russell westbrook but some of it has to be now that i think i dunno just something just popped in my head about that as much as russell loves okay see in his loyal to those fans in staying in and whatever i am being such a superstar he is he could've went anywhere else before he signed a big deal with him i think russell spoked and this this is all hypothetical i mean you know it's just my kind of pulling out my but i think i think russell so spoke to paul about you know what i think i'm gonna get out here bro like it's i don't really like how things will be in runner whatever it is 'em end if you can get your way out of here i think he probably thought that like early on it didn't just happen they were kind of speaking about that because he felt like you know what i'm not gonna win like this and students were boys i think we need to you know will still be cool when he separate well it's it's gonna be fascinating the teams who have weather out of necessity sassy around the loyalty of offered up some of these huge deals mean chris paul's deal it becomes almost untradable right now is because of a promise they made when they traded for him yeah is they they they felt like they had the given that deal in odyssey's a later stage in his career than russell westbrook is russell westbrook has the super max which becomes really really hard to to move on from a look i i don't think magic looks great today whether or not that this was the determining factor in collide leonard a waiting out the waiting out the lakers in an choosing in the clippers i just i don't think it looks great for him to be a you know to to be a guy who's who's the only one leaking information from a group that said don't leak any information by the way when you're looking at information about conversations you're having that that proprietary information could have motivated the clippers to make this deal 'cause they they gave up a lot you gave up a lot i think she alexander's got a chance to be a very maybe not all of it very good point guard in this league y'all now he's coming off a year we average twenty six not a superstar he's a good player on the floor stretchers of as for and they gave up all their draft picks i just don't know to what ends the clippers go to end if they get get the deal done if not for magic leaking out that there have been some deep level conversation i wouldn't really put it on magic is much a magic should be a magic but i think at the end of the day like whitlock said i think for the co why he already knew where he was going to go you know just like when you pick colleges right i'm gonna take five visits you know i just wanna go see the schools but i know where i wanna go yeah sometimes you're on those visits you get a guy knows there's and you'd be amazed at who commits where they commit because that's true but go wild and it's a little different when you turn it down money in san antonio with the best coach ever going it's around you you get traded to toronto like you little dip you cut from a different cloth as an individual and i don't even think old it's not even old school is just who he is because old school when it turned out fifty million dollars yeah no he school yeah he's wiseman he realized school okay show 'em who's got the better team clippers the lakers i mean if you think about it on paper british bars names you will go lebron james eighty right lakers but as far as like as far as the the gene that 'cause i'm thinking of like players and how it fits together right this is tetris you want the fit together yes i liked the actress in a conversation the greatest game falter you have taken a stand on that and i'm loving sudoku to you still go yeah yes all right so i'm thinking more clippers because they have the pieces that complement each other kind of like a toronto monto yeah right where everybody plays defense you know what i mean now you have and you ain't got landry shamet and shooting young williams in what's the key guys high overlays seok old george paul george is way better in seattle right now there's another part which i i fear we're not gonna realize it until it's too late lebron's down twenty pounds when i've been told that he's in the too high to thirties 'em but were all operating like it's lebron a couple of years ago you're not the same at thirty five in the end so yeah i think the clippers are better not just because of supporting pieces but i also think because the two stars are more in their prime now rand paul george has stay healthy something he struggled do but i i cannot believe in july of two thousand nineteen the clippers and the favorites to win ambi a championship and i think that's a reasonable expectation i love you i love it i'm i'm i'm i'm loving home clippers makes you think well you gotta get healthy you got big three who i do in road in rhode island rhode island baby this weekend on 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Hour 2: Lakers' Path to Finals

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Hour 2: Lakers' Path to Finals

"After a disappointing season in Lebron's first year wearing the purple and gold the Lakers will enter next season as the favorite to win the N._B._A.. Championship after adding superstar Anthony Davis the lake show also other key pieces including Danny Green demarcus cousins but our David McMenamin says another big piece could be on the way listen up now they have your roster. They feel happy about they. Feel good about the way they were able to build post Kawai leaving a spot open to potentially get Andre Iguodala if he is bought out out of his seventeen seventeen point two million dollar deal. We're talking about a former finals m._v._p.. Guy Who was wrapped by the Lakers G._M.. Rob Lincoln when he was an agent and a guy who just as recently as game six the N._B._A.. Finals dropped twenty two points almost almost forcing a game seven back in Toronto. They feel a key could be an x factor type guy to add with the group they already have at. I could be headed to the lake show Steven if equal joins L._A.. Clear Cup favorites to get the top believe they will they will be. I'm of the mindset that the Los Angeles Clippers or the Los Angeles Lakers should be the favorites to win the title data's mob belief. I believe that the Los Angeles Clippers have a better all around team um but they don't have the greatest dynamic duo. The greatest dynamic duo in basketball right now is Lebron James and Anthony Davis. I would like everybody to be reminded that as recently as a year ago leaving you Max was talking about how we might be calling Anthony Davis the best player on the planet by this summer okay now obviously last season went awry because he wanted out and as a result in him in the Pelicans Siada I and all he was getting taken the fourth quarter and some games even play before you ultimately sat out the rest of all of this nonsense was going on but it has nothing to do with the greatness of Anthony Davis is talent. We know what brings to the table and Lebron James had his one year one year where there was no pressure because it wasn't big expectations you knew the Golden State Warriors with Della Graham they will supposedly going to win the title and Kevin Durant didn't get hurt. They would've won the damn title and that would have been that but that's over now. Lebron James has returned turned back to his regularly scheduled position and that is what all the pressure on him to get to the finals in this case when the championship because in the sport basketball when you have to dudes that are that elite that green with that size available to them athleticism available to them and then you kept Khouzina you're right you still got a point. God in Rondo Quinn cooked little small signing and a lot of people's eyes has been on this championship warriors. His roster for Wa can give you some quality minutes off the bench. Danny Green who you raved about can play defense can still hint spot up shots okay. If you ed an Igwe dollar the guy you said even don't falsely and he had to correct you on national television himself. You said the planet analogy planet or fate of the universe one dollars. You want this flat dollar shooting reading those shots you add to that squad talk about was correct about the playoffs again. He was hitting open shots. That steph was missing late in that game anyway. The point is because of step go. It didn't dispute that the point is if the Lakers get igwe dollar. I will consider then who I will take. The favorite igwe dollar is not just some minor edition. That's a tremendous edition particularly when you're matching up against the clippers because you can put dollar uncle. Why and I understand your point about dynamic? Duo Lebron is going to go down in history as a greater player than Kawhi A._D.. will go down in history is a greater player Paul George. They're both on the Lakers however we're not talking about history and body of work out right now I thought Eddie was going to be considered the best player in basketball he proved it by the end of last year that didn't happen. Kawai proved it Kawai as the reigning best player in basketball. He is headed historical playoff run in the finals m._v._p.. He shut down the Greek freak who was the regular season M._v._p.. And and a tremendous matchup while the brain was sitting on the shelf injured for part of last year and then didn't make the playoffs Kawai right now until proven otherwise lebrons gotta approved better than Kawhi right now a miles ahead Lebron A._d.. Paul George. I'd expect to be better than Paul George this year when he's ready. Let's talk about the seasons. They just came off was in the M._v._p.. Conversation because before he got hurt Paul George was he was the M._v._p.. Conversation and a better year than a D. and they're both two way attacking wings offense and defense which was we seen in history is probably the best way to win a championship in the modern game Jordan Pippen Lebron. We'd get two two guys like that especially if they're in their primes as Paul George should be. It's a little different but here's the main thing Stephen. They're not making this whole team from scratch Patrick Beverley Lou Williams chiefs Harrell. They lost shameless Alexandra but I'm I'm even forgetting a couple guys in shade Alexander yes no they lost him. Yeah Golly Nari what I'm saying they're returning key and cover Sir Bentley's Montrose Borough Pharrell Williams Lou Williams and there's someone else that's slipping my mind off the top ahead but the point met they got a lot of dig out the whole team returning except minus guys and in the place of those two guys garnering Menteith Gillis Alexander they have Kawai Leonard and Paul George Enormous upgrades. She goes Alexandra eventually be a great player. I think we're very good player but he's not Paul George Right right team won forty eight games that team won two games from the Golden State Warriors Healthy Healthy K. D. and you just upgraded from at two. Why let me respond what he thinks going to have me respond? First of all I specifically said Clippers are the Lakers pick your poison. They'd be favorites to win the title. I believe they should be but we're talking about out what would dollar on the Lakers make the Lakers you can't have it both ways Max when you look at Eagle Iggy and what he brings to the table that's valuable in and of itself. Let's not forget every rally the Lakers got him to by away. That's that's also a real. That's a starting point this right. You Got Avery Bradley you got Danny Green Jared Dudley who was on the net ain't no big acquisition went up but he can hit open shots locker room presents well when we talk about Lebron all Jane's. Let's keep in mind. Lebron James Got Injured. Let's keep them on last. How we saw Lebron James in the postseason he looked every bit as good as a wild linnet looked except for when he went to the finals and j off got what the Damn School was after Lebron dropped fifty one in that particular Gila Conscious Lebron James will return to form? I believe he should be the favorite to win M._V._p.. To be quite honest with you I think he's going to wreak havoc Anthony Davis down year because of drama not because of ham now because of anything on the court because of drama off still average twenty six and twelve with two point four blocks we make such noise because George average twenty eight eight. Do you understand what Anthony Davis can do when he wants to Lebron abroad evening. I'm not arguing roster. If we're talking roster the Lakers have the best roster in the pain if Audrey igwe dollar goals on there they are the cliff favorites to win saying clear favorites. They have the best roster now. If they adequate dollar they'll have clearly we've all best roster. The best roster doesn't always win. The clippers have the best team the Lakers had the Rochester. Okay the Lakers also just sign you honest his baby brother twenty one year old Kosta. What is the best debate? You've you've seen here on I take well you get the chance to decide by going on twitter and voting daily in our tournaments out bracket meanwhile the number seven debate is Kevin Durant eight top-five player that one big on social media yesterday it moves onto the next round up NEX is our versus nine matchup. Here's a taste number eight always entertaining mayweather versus pack yeah. I thought about this a lot actually patio mayweather. We'll fight again. This floyd is not interested in boxing anymore. Look in the would you. What are you get next going to forget how tricky that fight was say what just GonNa say? I can't believe what you're Ludik to Max. Let it out. This is my heartache. You're just calm down. There is a very good chance that pack yeah very good will stop Floyd Mayweather wh-what's hold on. I don't WanNa have very good putt you say but the wreckage that joop elite Max Kelvin would be in danger of being stopped. I just text money talk. I don't turn the T._V.. Right now Huckabee I hope he's got hope he watches the blasphemy for that game with me right now. The next gotten more boxing them both of us know interesting creature in the flat plains of many automobile dashboard the bobblehead it's most agreeable and will not along to anything despite having no brain function but when the bottle of had here's how Gyco not only saves people money but also gives them access to licensed agents twenty four seven online and over the phone deal not even more vigorously because he knows you should switch because yes switching to Geico is a no brainer easy publ and easy. You can get whiplash. What's going on everybody for state coming? You live from above behind can river deck at Pierce Seventeen in New York. You know the deal we often joke on the show about the Dallas cowboys carrying the label of America's team well. It seems that big Jerry has built big D squat in too much more than that Stephen a Smith marinate on on this. My friend Forbes list of the most valuable franchises in all sports that's N._B._A.. M._l._B. hot off the presses Stephen as cowboys reigned supreme with a net worth of five billion dollars. You're Yankees behind them at four point six other notables are the Knicks they couldn't land anybody at number five Patriots at seven and the lake show. Is that a cowboy win with us. Come on look it when the Knicks are on this list at number five couldn't get him Stevens. Should the cowboys your Dallas cowboys be ahead of your Yankees top five all of sports. They really are America's Augustine first of all excuse you hear from this suggestion because almost wanted to throw up seeing that list. I'm so disgusted got. It is justified. Oh a leave him saying this the me explain the giants and the Knicks shouldn't even be under list but then in New York market the War Korea's obviously in the bay area champions. We get a Joe Lake up in those boys do a hell of a job. The Lakers of the Lake Real Madrid soccer international stuff gets in Kabul. I don't like the fact that the cowboys are ahead of my Yankees because the Yankees twenty seven world series titles even though the last word sewage championship they was in two thousand nine. They still better the post season a few times. Okay The Dallas cowboys pathetic more fan base that they are make you one of throw up because they just sickening they act like they win a championship even when they go three and thirteen he doesn't make me sick. No sorry no good cowboy fans. Here's the problem he is where y'all luck up so undeserving so unworthy that the cowboy brand is because America this country the none of us were greatness and nobody will kill the cowboys Tapie and great. Here's the problem baseball has dissipated. It hasn't ingratiated itself that the young audience there fan base gets older and older and older and they haven't haven't figured out ways to ingratiate themselves with the younger generation so as a result by the fault is synonymous with greatness serve any kind of recognition whatsoever America should be the New England patriots it out doing the Patriots but because the cowboys have the Yankees to compete with the Yankees are in the wrong sport so by ought and the cowboys. That's why the Yankees actually allegedly at the top look look. These lists have a lot to do with real estate deals. Sales and then they have a lot to do with the popularity of the sport. So what you see is New York shows up all over the place and there are a lot of football and soccer teams because internationally with as much less competition for the entertainment dollar soccer's a big deal not the most it's exciting sport in the world but okay they haven't been community as much for most of this list football baseball soccer soccer basketball soccer football basketball basketball football but there's one baseball team even with the advantage of the honestly the mets there. I don't see the L._A.. Market dodgers there. I don't see the San Francisco giants there says his high with the dodgers at three point three billion the point the Yankees are not only on the list their second on the listen not only the second on the list there according according to Forbes only a small percentage like within ten percent of the number one franchise which is a football team and the cowboys America's team and all that stuff also Forbes frequently gets this wrong when the teams actually sell they sell for more more than what Forbes predicts they sell for. I would predict the Yankees if they actually got on the market would sell for more but the point is when you factor in everything the most incredible thing on the list is at the Yankees are nipping at the cowboys heels in a sport that it has become as unpopular compared to football as baseball has their nipping at their heels Sima there in the huge market there by far in the history of American teams words the most successful franchise of all time. There's no second-place twenty-seven championships and to me. That's the really what's the best franchise the impulsively protege these supposedly my big brothers I'm supposed to be the protege and I don't feel like I'm getting school right now. I feel like you say Cherry trump saying the first okay. I can't do it every hour. There's a there's a graphic right behind your head Max with the name Jerry Jones the greatest marketer in professional sure no sports history is the reason the Dallas cowboys or were fine Sean about how this I don't care what you've say. Now that's smart sports history right relevancy beyond winning leaving is south to do in Sports Stephen. You got to be honest with me on that one. We talk about the Yankees. It's New York. Everybody has the expectation with the number one market in the world media from a media spam point for their not to be valued right. We just got done talking about the giant not going to the playoffs for their tenure. I'm GonNa tell you what does better than anybody. He keeps the cowboys on everybody's tongue and not only everybody one of the most important voices in sports. He is his own worst nightmare. When it comes to the Dallas Cowboys I told you at the beginning of Shomali? Did I tell them I'd say you are the human embodiment of what the Dallas cowboys general manipulating you everything you hey about the story for ties the star by the way that's trademark. You can't use news that logo you are that and you know what they say. You know why they say family members but hey you know they say fathers but hey. It's you know what I say brothers but would hey it's because they're just like the mom you will. You had a brother you had to fight you just like brother or you just like you Dan. That's why you fight so much. That's why you're always trying to figure out what's wrong home with the other person because you are them and look. I'm glad I had to come. The I take the break Disney miracle. If I will tell you and I will say from the Mountain Steven Embodiment. You're living room Dallas cowboys. Let's listen. Here's the deal I had no problem. Bob With the cowboys. Jerry Jones my buddy Jerry Jones but and I like Steven Jones to be all go out drinks together. I'm trying to tell you this is the chew story. We were hanging out last with a few months ago. y'All caught me on social. Media went over to the dockside. I got got it. My issue was that the fans but having said all of that I do stay about what I say and it is this. My problem is the cowboys don't win and your walk around acting like Y'all do when we talk about Jerry. Every Jones in the marketing genius is I'm not GonNa take that away from them but I will say this in all seriousness doesn't Tex Schramm deserve house going to bring that up that'd be is a heater extra is a he put them on Thanksgiving thanksgiving. I mean it. Does it often America's thing. He's the one who said America's team. There was a Roger Staubach. Okay there what the air to Tall Jones and accrue okay all of that give Jerry Jones credit for this when he took over the cowboys instantly got rid of Tom. Landry instantly wasn't that popular brings in Jimmy Johnson. What do they do? They went three super bowls are right in four years you talking about Michael Irvin. You talk about Troy Aikman. You're talking about Emmett Smith now. They're living off of that so if you want to sit up there and give Jerry Jones credit. I guess what I'm saying. I'm not denied that at it's because him speaking but he might be getting too much credit there might be predecessors that deserve it more than so beautiful in took on that. No yes and I leave you with this. The cowboys generate twice is much revenue and seed seating revenue and sponsorship any other N._F._l.. All right we'll see you tomorrow. Marcus Super Bowl M._v._p.. Julian Edelman was spotted at his youth camp over the weekend with a small brace on his left thumb and is expected to be sidelined about three weeks due to injury league sources. Tell E._S._p._N.'s Adam Schefter infield gates. It's uncertain whether animals suffered the injury while catching a pass on no we loved him in two times enrolled tamp Monday night football Anna's booger macfarlane good to have you with us here with you on gentlemen a young lady thank you Max is injury a big deal no big deal. What am I hearing that he's GonNa miss a couple of early season games at worst I know to thumb injury to receiver but you know what that means will be a little fresher at the end of the season when they need a more look no-one as long as Bill Belichick is your coaching G._M.? You can win. Maybe not the Super Bowl but you're going. We're more games than you lose with anyone because the Patriots more than Tom Brady more than anyone have always been ill bellichik. He won eleven games with Matt Tassell. Let's forget about a receiver for a second without Tom. Brady one eleven gave a couple of years ago. Tom Brady missed the first four games this season with the suspension they went three one three and one the truth that we've seen the Patriots. Have a little slow starts and people are finally ages caught up to them Brady's not saying this was not the same and then by the end of the season okay here we go like at worst there in the A._F._C. Championship game because they will always have home field in the pathetic A._F._C. East. He's they've never opposed a real quarterback in their entire time together Brady and Belgium so they have a by in the first round playoff game in the second. They wouldn't one home playoff game one game at Foxboro in the A._F._C. Championship game and I'm telling you as usual that's what's going to happen without a healthy settlement to start the season. They will play in the A._F._C. Championship game by winning a single playoff game foxboro. It is a free pass the greatest coach in the history of the sport. No this is not a big. I'm not refuting that argument but what I would say to you who was that it's a big deal of me only from the perspective that you don't have gronk anymore because supposedly he's retired. Edmund is thirty three years of age injury have creeped up injuries have creeped up on the Patriots Ahmed Inopportune Times over the last <hes> over the last few years or so even though they've found a way to overcome hugh do get the impression that ultimately you're. Tom Is going to run out. You do get that impression and so I look at it from Memphis thing you know when when Edelman and Amendola was there I never concerned myself with stuff like no but considering the fact that it's only one of them now you had three it has grog and Amendola once upon a top and it was always to available if one went down that person was usually gronk now it's down to etem then so anything involving involving settlement elevates exponentially in the is in terms of urgency only because he's the lone ranger left with Tom Brady in terms of it being a reliable target somebody he trust somebody that he's developed with James Aims white-knuckle t. j. absolut absolutely but remember you had to concern yourself with James White when the other pieces weren't there because if you get to key on him as good as he may be once you get it to keep on him he ate that same do Ataman is that x-factor adamant when they really really counted in the Super Bowl patriots going to get their offense going a couple of connections to gronk Ataman was eating the coal Robie up all all <music> all night long in the Super Bowl. Tom Brady having a chemistry with you. Trust in you means everything. That's what makes football so special in terms of collective effort in terms of team. No matter how great you all you always need somebody else to do the job in order for you to be effective you could be effective as a basketball player but still may not win but you could be effective as a basketball player as a football player no matter how great you run if they block it don't matter no matter how great is a receiver if he can't throw the ball it don't matter no matter how great quarterback if he can't get open catch the ball. It's a problem if they don't block. It's a problem there's always somebody that you the in order to make you affective and that is the thing that has me concerned about adamant but that's a good point about the report and I think Tom Brady understands that. That's what it's off season. Their first round pick accua Harry has been spotted playing catch with. Tom Brady's trying to bill that report that consistency how we think I wanNA know what you're thinking where you even have to tell you can give me a hand signal but I think both you guys are missing the point the Patriots don't care about this time from a performance or record standpoint. They've proven into us. They WANNA be ready to second half of the year okay with the new C._B._A.. Between the N._F._l.. And the N._F._l.. P._A. The off-season has got shorter. So what does that mean. What makes New England great they have a shorter period to do which is the technique and from the middle so now fast forward to training camp starting training camp for them doesn't end when the seasons start training camp for them and their mind ends after the first four per week so that makes sense based on the way they perform early exactly? They don't really care about the record because they know if you build the fundamentals you build the foundation they will be there in the end. I think Tom Brady also he's going to relish this opportunity. No GRONK NO ETIMA. Maybe the first couple of weeks of the season if it carries on that for how do I show you guys we can reinvent ourselves and we can win a different way. They're not gonNA be the same offense they were last year with Gronk down the scene. This is going to be a pound of ground football team. Okay they're going to run the football. Okay Sony Michelle running the football James White catching balls out of the backfield. I feel they will be dominant office in all when you go to stop that now comes element because I think we all agree when it's all said and done when they have to make a play Ataman is getting the football question when Edelman's wins in their winning eighty five percent of the Games number two twenty percent less when he's not in there but I want to ask you this. Do you think they get to the super bowl again while it's going to be tougher this year than ever before because because they're less weapons to defend offensively the margin for error is slimmer you couple that with the emergence that she's like that they really got. They cheated themselves out of a super bowl heaven game at home. They didn't get an opportunity to put Patrick Mahomes on the field in the A._F._C. Championship game so I think the road is going to be tough for the chargers are going to be better. The BRONCOS FLACCO just doesn't turn the football over Vic Fangio that defense is going to be something to deal with so I think the road in the A._F._C. is going to be tougher. Do I think the Patriots GonNa win in the A._F._C.. Absolutely nobody in the east. It's a challenge so they're going to be in the playoffs. The key is going to be which matchup they face in the playoffs because I think the chargers when Healthy Philip rivers you get hunter Henry back they can get moving Gourd Gordon he get that slight modifications modification. I think the thing that we have to monitor about the Patriots whether or not they going to eat because we know that's going to happen question is are you gonNa have a better enough. Record had one of the top two season A._F._C.. We're your assured of at least one home game foxborough because with the teams that we got we're looking at Cleveland. This other folks not me but you're looking at Cleveland Pittsburgh. Maybe some would say Baltimore in the A._F._C. North you got the A._F._C.. AC- South you got to Houston Jacksonville going to be on the come up. Let's see what Mr Nick foles is going to do. In Jacksonville we got it matters. Most that's right. Andrew Luck is back and Andrew Luck is back in indy even though they what the bed in postseason they did be Kansas City initially really we gotta pay attention to that and then in the A._f._C. West you got Kansas City. What I'm saying you is that if New England doesn't get a home playoff game and the road doesn't have to come through Foxborough a write in any round then that could make listening to and remember? We're not talking about Eshelman in terms of him being healthy on on the field. I'm saying we gotta make sure he's healthy 'cause that matters. Of course the Patriots are going to be any to represent the A._F._C. in the Super Bowl because they got lucky last year. Tom Brady threw interception to end the A._F._C.. Championship game game was over chiefs win. Oh pre-snap penalty Dale's them out. Oh he was aware he wanted wear anything interception and the game period over they got bailed out by the refs but you know what luck is the residue of design the thing about the Patriots is Bella Chick make coaches them to a great record year in year after they're always in the playoffs and then what you get in the playoffs and you're gonNA play the other team tight because Patriots Games are frequently frequently close. There are different team every week who they're playing then like the Patriots seemed to get lucky a lot but part of that is because they're better prepared than the other team because their coaches better prepared than the other team so I think the chiefs about in the Patriots favor them I think Philip Rivers Chope last year I don't know but the chargers on paper to me or better than the Patriots and there are one or two others that are right there or maybe a little bit when it comes down to it that one home game at Foxboro to get to the A._F._C. Championship game I would ask you would all due respect to stop using the word choke. Sometimes you just get your butt kicked you notice covering box. Sometimes you just walk in there like when I saw for the L._A.. Charges against New England that was a job they got down. Differ word is to just saying be saying you got beat up. I love when people used to say peyton choked in the playoffs. What are you talking about the team and this and that would be like put they? It was lost forty to nothing. They didn't score but that's what I'm saying is Tom. Brady's team would never lose like that. Why is that I'll get brady credit where it's do Brady's never going to perform like that not like that you may not score a ton of points but you're going to be in the game amax and the Super Bowl and their offense was struggling? They couldn't do anything right for the most part but their defense held they were always out without. You know what I use the Boston now Z.. Hill appreciate we've joppy to choke against Trinidad the hopkins loss but he never got knocked out like that was very labs his fifth grade all right delirious Thomas also on the Patriots roster as well guys. Let's revisit some of Oh B._J.'s comments and G. Q. Magazine Article Talking about his departure from the giants quote. I felt disrespected because I felt like I was a main reason at keeping that brand alive they were getting Primetime Primetime Games still as a five and eleven team wise because people want to see the show you WanNa see me play on a giant management handling of the situation to be called like that and then detected by your coach and be like Oh yeah. I heard the news yeah you heard the news. It happened because of you. You're the main reason I'm gone is because of you but you McFarland still here with us in Bogor. I want to start with you on this. The guys touched on a little bit earlier in the show what he thinks going to be Odell biggest challenge. This season in Cleveland Blind don't take debate is going to be a lot of bait out there for this year okay. I don't think he's going to be the biggest star in Cleveland this year to me. That's going to be Baker Mayfield like anytime you a quarterback and he's a sending his stars of sending the way it is. Everyone is going to follow Baker everyone. Everyone in that building follows Baker. There's going to be times when it comes to the star in the limelight. Odell is not going to get your share. Don't take the bait don't do anything that's going to attract attention or with your team. Just because someone else's getting a little bit of the limelight there's going to the town when the base going to beat the air when the media in Cleveland is going to try to prove that they are worthy like the New York media was and they're going to ask questions just to get a particular answer from Odille. Don't take the bait. Don't take the bait. That's going to be out. There are both from a competitive standpoint on the field. They're going to be times at D._B.'s wake up on Sunday morning saying I can make my name if I just get into with Odell ally Josh Norman and so I think for Odell Beckham you have to understand you've already solidified yourself your top five wide receiver National Football League depending on who you ask. You may be number one. You don't have to prove anything but go out and earned the salary that you've been giving you got your money. You have secured the bag. Just don't take the van. I don't think I think that is going to be the biggest issue for him. Don't take the from anyone in the building outside the building but especially the media in clay I or opposing players that gets to my larger point but I I don't agree with his I. I don't think it's GonNa be a problem that Baker is the ascending star and that it's his team. I don't think Oh Dell's going to have a problem with that. I think the problem with Odell and the giants was game recognized game real recognize real at this point. That's not Eli so Odell is taking heat for the fact that is quarterback stunk he didn't that he did not have starting caliber quarterback. Eli Barely looked like a starting caliber quarterback with Odell on the field without Odell on the field trash. Let's be honest. He was not okay backup. Maybe and he lives my favorite quarterback of all time. He brought my giants to super bowls. I love him but that was then. This is now. Let's be real. I think ballers when they play together especially in their primes. Usually you get a guy like Odell. It's only a name brand. He was a free agent for reason he's thirty to thirty. Three years. Old is best eight Brian Full del Kareem Hunt Nick chump Landry Baker Mayfield a bunch of young ballers in their prime sending together. I was GONNA be fine with Baker being the star. I don't think that's going to be an issue for him. Web Heaters issued me and this gets to your point about the media booker. He needs to figure out a way to channel his energy his passion constructively he's get you know he gets frustrated and the hits the goalposts. Whatever it is whatever that is that he does he has to figure out a way 'cause Odell his teammates like him? He's a passionate dude but he asked to show people be able to communicate to the media. I just weird on my sleeve. I'm passionate dude not a bad dude and he has to be able all to channel it constructively and not become a distraction to the team if he gets frustrated or anything like that. That's his challenge same as New York as women this question. I asked the Fellas this question how do you how do you forty six couple of weeks out Alabama fifty-one. I'm elder statesman elder statesman here right. Let me educate you about something with the media as somebody. That's done it for twenty five plus years contrary to what people I believe. The media ain't going. They're looking for a particular answer. They want an interesting response even though del thinks he makes headlines because he goes off and all of this other stuff and you react at that you know that myself papers that my resonate in in television or radio whatever you don't walk into a locker room to interview Odell Beckham Junior hope or thinking Oh that's what I'm going to get from him. Answer like Boga mcfaul Lynn or marcus circus speed Max so somebody gives is more than enough because you have something to say this notion that somebody's looking for you to call. It's trouble. That's false if it's there you know what news is and it's going to resonate but you can be eloquent went and articulating allocating your responses and if you do so in an inciteful fashion that could be very interesting too because he's Odell so the issue is not all right. Don't take the bait and it just stops they. It's about making sure that you know what you focused because here's the problem with Cleveland with Odell in Cleveland Cleveland Problems New York win. The football practice was all the gay was or there's a whole oh but stuff to do that ain't case in Cleveland as somebody that had to spend damn near four straight years and Cleveland. I loved the fans of great I damn cold weather off Lake Erie then a wintertime one no parts of it but outside of that the sports town if you are producing oh it's incredible why you're playing but the life after the game's over after passing Zora Stephen It is a channel Lane. That's the best thing for about I'm coming to you. I'm coming to you because what I'm saying you is. You're thinking it's the best defense production. I'm not refuting that out saying to you when something doesn't go right. It's all you back. They know distraction. Lallo say listen Max Lifton. You leave New York City. Okay you go home it. Ain't they just going home wonderful family if New York Bro but if you win Bris to see your face when you Bristol Day seats is like see you in Bristol took US speak for Myself Mitch not a bad day in New York is different the sun shine in a matter of minutes Ah Bristol that might be Cleveland this the minute to twenties Cleveland. If things go right. Let me tell you why the best thing my orange Tuesday Wednesday turn all gone reason. It's the first of all the day after football today's after you can't get out of bed getting hit and everything but let me tell you what's the best thing for him if you have a fighter. Let's say a boxer need to be. He's party. You're right. You know where you want you really when you see him at his best. I can give you a lot of examples Zab Judah guys who liked to have a good time but you worry about discipline a little bit or getting to bet on time stuff like that training camp alias sent him up and send them somewhere where there's nothing else around. You'll get the best fighter for that fight. Sando down to size fits nut new door. No you ready for this. I'll tell you why you roll Max because we boxing you. WanNa get punches. What if you WANNA routes in a ball coming? What if what if the offensive line miss some blocks Baker Mayfield wasn't able to get the doe off at times what if the fumble on both tapping your throat at the job is landry joke will happen? Let me tell you there's a lot to keep the troll and they gotta go to a place that let's face it. You Really WanNa call because you really would have preferred to New York L._A.. Because that's what he said that's a problem behind the Tampa. You're right. You're right you let me expound on the comments that he made because G. Q. Article He also talked about he basically said how come <hes> guys like. Rob Gronkowski can go party and there are dude but when I do something I'm looking at in a different way partly because the perception of him from everyone fans and media like and I think in Cleveland it's going to be more difficult to change that perception because there are fewer athletes and it's a smaller media market than it was in New York so anything he does in Cleveland. We're all going to jump on it because everybody in Cleveland. Media is going to jump on it. I think for him and I said this early on get up for for him. He has to change the perception. That's what I mean but I don't take the debate is going to be more plentiful in Cleveland and it was a New York we in New York we have so many other things to do. Focus so we'll have to focus on Dale and Cleveland they are going to wake up and go to bed thinking about Baker for Masefield Jarvis Landry and Odell Beckham. That's what they're going to think about. He has to make sure that he doesn't give them any extra ammo in that media market and to change looking to though but in Cleveland Y'all towns. They're gonNA have a winner for this. You'RE GONNA try to love him but the things that we in New York didn't like the the peeing like a dog Indians on okay the kicking knit how those things on Cleveland we're winning how book Mister Monday night football. How's that going to go with winning little nugget of news? If you drop that stuff about a wide the deck I had I had a couple of sources. Say this to me Ben mcadoo. We gave make your off days Tuesday and you know what they said. Oh Dell did. I don't know for sure dot the famous. There's no doubt it. He fly out the L._A.. After one P._M.. Game. Tapes on Sundays at go to its does talk but Cleveland's GonNa be okay well. He was rewind. They're not gonna it's Monday night the jets week two of the season two. I'm not insulting Odell flight shorter to L._A.. Now are the best take on twitter voting daily style bracket meanwhile the number seven debate. It's calendar a top five player big winner that one moved on social media to the next round up nets number eight versus nine and here's a taste of number nine nine or the warriors in cavs ruining the post season when Michael Jordan came back to the Bulls and they had added Toni Basil's like the Best Player basketball and the we've Dennis Rodman the N._B._A.. Beyond two games defending competition warriors because it's all for incident occurs in the conference finals. Oh that's fine with you. You don't want him to the competition. Artistic evaporated because one do come which gained seven what you at last year both conference Western view. Thank you what you not in attendance warriors. Are you going this year not quite other focus has released rankings of the top running backs entering the twenty nine hundred thousand less might surprise as you Alvin. Kamara leads the way at number one fall by SAQUON Christian McCaffrey Melvin Jordan in Todd Gurley to round up the top five. The biggest surprise has to be N._F._l.. Rushing champion Zeke Elliott down at number eight Max Yup. Please tell me what is wrong with this list. There's a lot wrong with it and by the way pro football focus is very good. They're paying very close attention but here they're simply. There's a logical fallacy going on. They are not thinking this through clearly enough they penalize Ezekiel Elliott and that's the worst thing he's eight and cameras at one. I like a lot but the penalize Ezekiel Elliott because compiling all these numbers based on system a team is built around him but they're not as efficient well of course because he's running protecting the lead on first down in the second half of games James. That's like the least efficient time running back to touch the footfall so so they're they're actually not picking that into consideration. They're taking credit away from him for system built around him but not giving them extra credit. It's like saying well. He's inefficient compared to some other running back for this reason meanwhile meantime Kamara is targeted with passes on first down by drew brees and Sean Payton by the way which is highly efficient situation for him so they're taking Zeke Elliott credit away based on system but they're not they're not normalizing that by applying the same logic to commander who benefits from the system there is no listen cars not number one running back and football. He's excellent. He's not number one. We all know all that and Ezekiel Elliott is not the eighth guy either so even according to their analytics they they made a mistake thinking that didn't think it through clearly enough and maybe that's partly because when you get married number one on the list and Ezekiel L. E. number eight you know it's going to be talked about on T._v.. Right so maybe you don't you stop thinking about it at that point the best running back in the national football league to me bar none Ezekiel Elliott. If I'm looking for a guy that's GonNa talk to mail and deliver her. There's no better guy in the N._F._l.. Than him number two it's Saquon Barkley. You don't believe me go back and watch the tate. If the giants office of line will just get to a stalemate. He may be number one after next season when you look at Allen come out when he does what he brings to the table able. It's different than any other back. I think he's the one back in the national football league. They can go ninety nine at any point. If you give him the football he can catch that at the back that he can run routes. The way we saw lady on bail run rousted last time we saw him on the field. We're forgetting getting lady. I'm bill the last time we saw this man. For an entire football season. He was the best overall running back in the national for all three years absolutely he can lineup outside and run slant routes better than most wide receivers and so I think when when you look at pro football focuses list I understand what they're doing. They do a phenomenal job. Chris Collins Worth from his crew are amazing but I look at it. I just think about it. Practically if I need a running back to care to football who's getting Zeke running back that can do it all care to football and I can spend aside. I'm probably getting sake one or Leon. Bill Todd Gurley will be on that list for me if he didn't have the knee issues but the list is a good list. We're splitting hairs. Alvin Kamara will be higher after this season because Sean Payton in New Orleans Saints have under one thing that I wish that you're a giant do is changed the offense around when you have an Asian quarterback change the offense. Tom Brady doesn't throw at fifty times a game anymore. Drew brees doesn't do that unless it has to run the football if they do the Mark Ingram he's GonNa go out a lot of without doubt but I think overall getting back to the point of this list. Ezekiel is the best running back in football saquon Barkley and then we can have disagreements after that I agree with you about Ezekiel Elliott being number one saquon Barkley being number two but I think that it's important to point win out why somebody would make mistakes put an Alvin Kamara in number one because they're thinking about the dual threat. He is coming out of the backfield as a running back. They're not thinking about him. Just running the football they get about the position anyplace and the dual the threat that he is and I think that Ezekiel Elliott is so lethal running the football because his rookie engine twenty two carries lashing he had three hundred and four carries Alvin Kamara had one hundred ninety four by the way you're talking about overall hundred sixty one hundred seven additional carries but we forget that Ezekiel Elliott had seventy seven receptions five hundred sixty seven yards line terms of yards and turns total running and catching the football. This brother had over two thousand yards last year five hundred sixty seven receptions four four hundred sixty seventy yards rather and fourteen hundred thirty four yards running the football. This is what Ezekiel Elliott is so potent as a runner that we forget he actually catches whether screen has actually catches the ball out of the baffled as well and so because of that. I think that's gotten ignored. That's the biggest reason why I give them the edge because when I look at Ezekiel Elliott yes running the football. He's that dude. He doesn't mince words play around. He goes right. He runs north runs the run in East West. I just want to run a note. That's what he does. Alvin Kamara. I believe is Ado threat but Saquon Barkley definitely deserves to be number two because I think he's that Guy Zeke Elliott. Didn't I disagree with both of you about that. If you swap their offensive line's it'd be no contest SAQUON. I don't think it's a concert sitting saquon. Barkley Saquon Zeke Zinc Lomborg. I agree doesn't even know what he's doing yet. Fully right is qualitatively different than everyone else. I don't think you compare it with them. If you swapped swapped out he was running behind one of the worst offensive lines in football putting up comparable numbers to girly and Z.. He is a bigger stronger like slippy. More slippery better pass catcher like what doesn't he do better than those guys. It's like Barry Sanders and Emmett Smith Barry San. It's swap offensive lines like you eyeballs can tell you I'll tell you. What did you better Homerun hitter? He's also a better citizen that make them into the locker room. It makes a difference it does backs but but but here's one knock on Saquon Barkley he wants to make every run a home run okay. He doesn't know how to get the dirty yards. If you watch to take he wants to bounce everything and gets it outside because of that speed that you speak of Ezekiel Elliott we'll take your soul man to wait in the tackles book. Look at the Pascal's WHO's attack. Take your soul as linebackers in the national football league who they'd rather tackle they all say I'd rather tackle saquon Barkley and the Ezekiel Elliott because of the style what they mean is they can't tackle them. I wish I could tackle looking different big without about pro football focus. They do an excellent job. I mentioned to me. The Best in the business is Warren Sharp at short football to me. That's the best analytics in the business right. Steven A. LOVES ANTARCTIC JUST OVER THE WAY and U._S._A.. Today's predicting the two teams face it up to fifty four Eagles in chargers with Philip rivers finally bringing the Lombardi trophy to soak out Mr Smith. Do you concur no charge and go. No Damn Super Bowl a stop that that's not going to happen all right. Let's just get over that right now. I mean whether it's Melvin Gordon not getting his contract and being a bit disgruntled or them. Having the plan some cold weather city come January and the postseason Dan going no Damsel Okay and oh by the way that Saddam the released it Philip Rivers as head very effective accumulate charge during the regular season understand composed season top. This is going to be neutralize. He's not gonna now that it's not even so much status the fact that he's not mobile. He's a stationary target for the most part and come opposed season Tom against some of those speedy defenses. It's going to work against him. That's just pop elite. I think the eagles have a very good chance I think the eagles I know you pick the cowboys but I think the eagles have a very good chance of winning the N._F._C. East. I think Carson Wentz is under immense pressure to have something approved because you know what you saw. What Nick foles date the issue a Carson Wentz is not what his game? It's his health now. Obviously he's gotta be a little bit wreck little less wreck because he's put himself positions. I listen to you the morning. This morning is absolutely right on the money he got an A._C._l.. Then the back you gotta be more careful. When you scrambling out-of-pocket put yourself in those positions you might WanNa avoid that but outside of that question about cost of wins talent as boys you know his ability to perform under pressure except us an m._v._p.? Candidate we went down and they fold save today. Nick foles ain't better I think costs and went so let me tell you right now. I'm looking at several teams in the N._F._C.. In terms of New Orleans Atlanta can ignore that Never Asleep Russell Wilson and Seattle Dallas cowboys deserve respect because I think that defense is big time already Roger. Did you have a but I'm telling you I believe the eagles have a better chance of coming out of the N._f._c. then the charges coming out of the A._F._C. Allegri with the eagles have a better chance I mean stimulate makes a good point. There are a lot of teams out there they can they can win and play for super bowl out of the A._F._C.. While tell somebody beat the Patriots Molly it's going to be it's going to be hard for me to go against because they have the best quarterback and they all they've all it doesn't matter they've also proven proven that they can do the one thing that a lot of coaches have have trouble doing they can win multiple ways okay the season is ebbs and flows is going to change over and over and you have to win some games thirteen and three you gotta be a win some Games thir- thirty one thirty they approve that can and do on the N._F._C. side. It's tougher for me okay unless Jared Goff continues to mature the rams. I think they're going to be phenomenon regular season but when they go against a better defenses they're going to struggle think about what the Ramsey last year against the bears on Sunday night thing about what the Rams didn't a super bowl against the Patriots really good defense. Is he struggled. I'm GONNA give you to the New Orleans Saints in Dallas Cowboys. I think when you look at them top to bottom collectedly offensively defensively how they played the style where they play were their home games could potentially be inside the domes how they're going to match up their own divisions. I think one of those teams I would probably take the Patriots against the cowboys or the saints. I root for Philip Rivers. I don't know exactly why you don't you really can't choose you root for just kind of happens. Maybe it's because he came out in the class with you. I and he lives my guy because of the giants I just rooted for them and I still do and I thought the chargers we're GONNA make it to the Super Bowl last year but I have to say I thought he did choke in the in the in the game at Foxboro I know he's just getting out fleet and everything but they rolled over. They were non-competitive. When you're the quarterback of an excellent team both sides of the ball too many times come up short in those big moments so I disagree with the chargers? Pick them sad to say. I still rooting for them but based on the evidence. I don't think he's GonNa get it done when it matters most it's one of the reasons I think he's the quarterback facing the most pressure mhm the eagles. I agree are very good. Pick Carson Wentz was not there at the end of the season two years ago. Nick foles went on that run and last year. They weren't the same team with winces when foles came back when went out full sales brought them to the playoffs won a playoff game on the road almost beat the saints when says to prove it to me when we all went as a better quarterback and of course we shall see that'll do for today. Everybody absolutely one one thing that I found interesting though you cowboys molly here's the thing about it and I know this kind of irks mug across the table. The cowboys defense last year was really really good. Dak Prescott Ezekiel Elliott. I think are going to be dynamite especially if you.

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Best of The Herd: 04/29/2019

The Herd with Colin Cowherd

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Best of The Herd: 04/29/2019

"The maybe it's who you up next to this morning. Maybe it's what you had for dinner last night. Oh, how you getting to work right now. It's invisible. But AI is already making decisions for us on sleep walkers were speaking with the smartest people in the world and taking you inside the headquarters of Facebook, the NYPD and a secret lab at Google to find out what the revolution will mean for us. Listen subscribed to sleep walkers. Apple podcasts on the iheartradio app or wherever you listen to podcasts. Thanks for listening to the best of heard podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday from twelve to three eastern nine to noon Pacific on Fox Sports radio and f s one find your local station for the hurt at Fox Sports radio dot com or stream it live every day on the iheartradio app by searching heard. Is the best of the herd with Colin cowherd on Fox Sports radio. Oh, here we go into Monday a pack Monday. This is Dr wherever you may be. However, you may be listening. We are live in Los Angeles on iheartradio Fox Sports radio and f s one one hour from now. One of our better ones were Colin was right? Where Colin was wrong. I'm plenty of both a draft weekend and NBA playoff weekend. Joy Taylor is joining me for our one hour to our three joy, our you. I'm great good morning. There was a busy weekend. I'll tell you margin. April have been so good for us in sports. So good for us in sports. And I want to start with the NBA the rockets and the warriors the rockets played them close in the warriors pulled away at the end. There was a lot of controversy. Not really. But you know, the rockets are complaining we only shot twenty nine free throws, Bob, blah, blah, blah, blah. This is very interesting. So every year in the winter months, depending on where you live. That's two months. Three months. Five months every year in the winter. It gets cold everywhere in America. Except maybe Florida. And so that's why I've a coat because every year the same time it gets cold. So I have a coat. I don't blame the weather man is cold. I didn't see it coming. In the NBA similarly every single year at this time veteran NBA referees allow more contact. That's a you problem by a coat don't blame the rafts every year at this time all the young wraps that get manipulated throughout the regular season. They don't officiate in the playoffs. You get to the second round the conference finals a finals, it is the best rafts a lot of veteran rafts, and they don't let you manipulate same in hockey same in football lessons called. Okay. Gimme a break Houston. The houston. Rockets have add a heavy dose of manipulation to their offense over the last several years. A it makes it a much more difficult team to officiate. They are hard to officiate. You're never going to officiate the rockets perfectly. It's hard for veteran. Officials who have been in these playoffs for twenty years. There are a hard team to officiate and be the officials have a right to take some of that manipulation territory back from the young officials who allowed it all regular season. James harden this year? Added a dimension to his offense. Did you watch? I did he started falling to the floor five times a game. He didn't do that three years ago. James harden start falling to the floor because it was some physical disability. It was a manip-. It was equilibrium. He's got a medical condition. He started falling to the floor adding a layer of manipulation who was offensive game. And the referees have a right to dictate terms in the playoffs. He led the NBA and free throws. Once again, that's fine. But the refs have a right to create their own territory, and they're going to scale back on giving him all the calls all the young rested during the regular season the referees have a right to set a tone in a game or a series. I attended and covered many Mike Tyson fights he was officiated differently. Every time older rafts are playoff rafts. And they're not gonna let manipulation take control of a series. You see it in hockey. You get to the second round the Cup finals. Generally ref swallow whistles. They don't want to decide games at go. Ask the New Orleans Saints in the NFL. Remember that saints Rams game, four hours the rafts? Let clutching and grabbing go all up and down the sidelines. Why it even though this was a bad call why we're not gonna decide we're not going to create big plays on pass interference not every officiating crew is the same in the NFL. It's understood some officiating crews, call more holding call less holding call more call less PI. Don't blame the rafts. If you as an organization can't figure out that manipulation has never won the championship. Best players have that to you problem. NFL officials. It is understood some guys call holding some crews don't Bella checks got a book a mile long. Curt Schilling told me years ago. He goes, I knew every home plate umpires plate was different there. Unpire Zain baseball that have called seven no hitters eight nine other guys. I've never called one the strike zone changes. It's your job to know The Empire Strikes zone. And I do think there is a responsibility not on the referees. But on a GM a coach a team the analytics department to know, what officials give you what? And what veteran officials will not give you the young officials will they're not gonna let James harden falling down flopping kicking out at control the league. Start holding your team. Responsible in your stars responsible. And your analytic department responsible energy m responsible. Stop only holding the refs responsible. Saints fans. You add opportunities in that game. You didn't get it done. James harden said something here for the game. And I just rolled my eyes with this pretty funny. I want you to listen to this. I just wanna finish in man called a game. How was supposed to be called in and I'll live with the results. But. When you especially we all know, what happened, you know, a few years back with kuwa- like that can change an entire series. Just call it a game. How was supposed to be called? And and we'll there what the results interesting isn't that what James Harden's opponents said all year long, call the game the way it's supposed to be called. Don't let him kick out and fall to the floor and manipulate the traveling call what James harden complained about is what is opponent complained about all season long. The extra step. Nobody else in the league is allowed to take the constant flopping and falling everybody that guards him complaints. By the way, when you add this layer of manipulation to your game. It is harder to officiate. The rockets are harder to officiate. I'm not saying the rest were perfect yesterday. But I always said this was shack shack was harder to officiate. He looked like wait as much as a cruise liner. You could bang into shack. It would not over every guy in the league except shack. Shack USA, say guys. Hang on me. And it was like, yeah. They weren't anti shack. Shack was harder to officiate. Michael Jordan was harder to officiate and James Harden's harder to officiate, but you're not going to be allowed the level of manipulation you're allowed in the regular season. They gave it to a couple of times yesterday. But veteran refs have seen this game before. They've seen this game before and refs. Absolutely. Have a right to set a tone in a game and a series and the officials yesterday said in the series James the fallen flop and this is not Tuesday night in January in Minnesota. It's not a bunch of kid rafts. Not every referee NBA. They're all human. They're all different some are way more capable than others. We know in the NFL you ever watch the big NFL games you ever noticed. She stayed the same eight nine wraps because they put the best wraps on the big TV games. None. Every NBA reffed is great. The very good ones there officiating now, and they're not buying that manipulation slash gimmick. I still think Houston in the series. I picked Golden State to win at all. But I have no problem. What I saw yesterday. Or at the NFL draft this weekend. I watched virtually all of it. I'm not I'm not gonna lie. I love that six rounder from Boise state. I saw a bunch of headlines. Everybody wants to know who won the draft. I saw this New England one that draft really New England won the draft. You do realize it's one of the most complex offense of systems in the NFL. And most rookies get overwhelmed by it. Not to mention the New England Patriots. Don't play rookies much. It's useless to predict drafts. But especially New England's they're different. It is more cerebral a lot of rookies. Get overwhelmed there, by the way, they didn't address the tight end situation that in draft a tight end what was their number one need. I could argue wide receiver and tight end. Let's look at New England's picks. The first two guys. It is a shirt will play a bunch Nikki, Harry and Joon Williams a corner from Vanderbilt they'll play a bunch after that by their third pick. Chase one of its Michigan that that's the kind of guy that would that would literally be a bust on twenty two teams in the league. I think he'll work. I think he'll work for New England. But he's no guarantee physically he doesn't pop and jump off the TV physically. They also picked up running back Damien Harris from Alabama who can't catch sort of a big deal with Tom Brady. I think he'll be their third. Best running back last year. I don't think New England got the most guys that can play. How are we judging drafts? First of all if Josh Rosen can play and goes to Miami. And is their starting quarterback for seven years. Miami won the draft. If of goes to AirAsia and cuts it up Arizona when the draft the bottom line if Daniel Jones kills it for the giants. They won the draft. The draft winner is the team Seattle years ago that got Russell Wilson in the third round and got a hall of fame quarterback that was called a bad draft. If you didn't draft a quarterback, there's very little chance you will have won the draft. Because that's the difference maker in the NFL. I'll tell you three drafts. I liked I thought Green Bay the first four guys Green Bay drafted will all play. I thought the I five guys. The Indianapolis Colts drafted they went and got speed and need will all play. And the I five guys for the Baltimore Ravens will all play. In fact, their fifth players guard from Oklahoma. Ben powers. He's a grinder. He's perfect for Lamar Jackson and that offense ravens Packers colts. I thought their first four to five guys will all play pretty I'm pretty confident. They got guys that fit guys that work guys. They can be patient with those three. But let's be honest. If kind of Murray's a home run for Zona, they won the draft by a mile it won't even be close. I mean, the Seahawks won't draft. With Russell Wilson. It was called a terrible draft. They want to Super Bowl got two two and have a hall of fame quarterback that was that was rift to the draft. They won that draft by thousand miles over everybody else. I will tell you though, a draft. I did not like the New York Jets. Now, their first pick is the best player in the draft putting Williams, but after that, they are a rebuilding franchise. Okay. When you're a rebuilding franchise fewer risks, please take risks. If you're the Steelers if you're the Rams if you're the chiefs of the patriots, you can swing for the fence because you've established your culture, and you have star quarterbacks and star coaches and star rosters. But when you're building like the colts when you're rebuilding like the colts. You get dependable smart picks. You change the culture into dependable grownups. You'll still hit some home runs because you generally draft in the top ten so the jets I pick is great after that. It was medical issues. Head cases guys who were wildly inconsistent college players. I don't need to name them. You can see him on the screen on f s one when you're building a culture is not when you should take wild swings on players who are inconsistent in college inconsistent. College player is inconsistent NFL player medical issue college player. Sam Bradford is medical issue and fell player guys. Don't suddenly get healthier in the more violent sport. So did New England win. Hardly. I'd take Baltimore Green Bay and the colts in terms of top fortified picks. I'm not gonna waste any time. Breaking down a fifth sixth seventh rounder, but I will tell you the jets. I just don't like their belief system on drafts. They're taking wild swings when they're rebuilding. I don't believe you do that jets have shown a history here in the last three or four years. They'll get the first pick, right? They with a lot after that the colts get their first pick right and their second third fourth and their fifth inconsistency at the college. Level almost always equals inconsistency or bust at the NFL level the one draft. I didn't like after the first pick was the New York Jets be sure to catch live additions of the heard weekdays at noon eastern, nine AM Pacific on Fox Sports radio affects one and the iheartradio app. Hello. It's been an Emery from WVU ours podcast, endless thread. Oh, you don't know us totally fair. We don't technically know yet either. 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I think magic in his prime was very close. But here's a reality. Check with Michael Jordan. Do you know what his record wasn't the playoffs before Scottie Pippen arrived? All I do one in nine swept twice. What up bre doesn't fall in line with all your MJ, worship one nine? He was crappy in the playoffs swept twice because what we do in basketball, especially the NBA we glomming onto the star. And we think the Starr decides everything if that was the case, then Kevin Durant would have won the west every single year. But his number two was unreliable Westbrook. And LeBron has only had great success when he's got an all star as his number two kyri waiter Bosh. Michael Jordan didn't do anything in this league except score. It didn't do anything in the postseason daily, got Scottie Pippen, one of the best fifty players of all time, we pay attention to the one and the ones are key. But once don't want in this league without a too. It's why I never bought into Denver. Why I think the raptors have limitations and why I didn't buy into Milwaukee over Boston. I'll take Boston narrowly. If you look at the greatest team in league history. Probably the bulls in ninety five the second best player was Pippen a top fifty player. Second best team I've ever seen the warriors their second best player Steph curry, the only unanimous MVP in league history. The third best team I've ever seen. Maybe the second best is the Showtime Lakers magic the second. Best player was Kareem. Probably the best center in league history, by the way, Shaq and Kobe probably the third or fourth best team. I've ever seen whichever you preferred. It was a hall of Famer was the second best player, the Milwaukee Bucks. Second best player is Chris Middleton. He's a hard worker and a good kid, but he played college for three years. Translation, it's not that gifted then he went to the NBA rookie year average, six points and was demoted to the fort. Wayne mad ants. He has become a very good player. But if he's your number two, if he's your Pippen if he's your Kobe if he's your staff. You're not winning the title. And I don't think you're winning this series. Now Boston doesn't have a dominating number two either. But let's just for the sake of argument, take Jason Tatum. Jason Tatum was a highschool American. And then a college all American and only had to play one year of college at the best program Duke, and then NBA people said get out of college to good, oh, invented a rookie made the all rookie team. And in the playoffs was actually shockingly good as a rookie. He didn't get demoted to the Fort Wayne. Matt aunts now, he's not one of the stronger twos in NBA history. But he is a transformational basketball town who still a baby. Now, you can argue Al Horford to two and Gordon Hayward to two or Jason Tatum za to I would say Tatum is our second best basketball talent. That's why I think this is a close series the Houston Rockets number two player is a nine time all-star and a first ballot hall of Famer Chris Paul and why the warriors? They're going to win their number two Steph curry, maybe the most transformational basketball player of my life outside of LeBron magic. And m j nothing against Chris Middleton. But the reason I took Boston in this series. Was there too is a four or at best a three Chris Middleton. I like him. He's not a to Jason Tatum has nights. He's an absolute too. And I think long term he's absolutely to he didn't play particularly well in game one. But we we spend so much time looking at the one Kevin Durant got to one finals in the west before Golden State because he and the two didn't work. Look at the dynasty in our lifetimes, one of them Spurs. Tony Parker was an MVP candidate. And he was a to Dunkin then they switched and then Dunkin was the two and was the first ballot hall of Famer I can remember watching Larry Bird have backed back playoff games scored eight points. But they had a two named Kevin McHale who could score twenty four. It's not just about the one Denver doesn't have Jamal Murray. Dependable to Chris Middleton should be a three or four. They're not championship teams. Now, I don't think Boston has the best to in the world. But he is an absolutely elite basketball talent who the reason Jason Tatum is not a one he's too inconsistent. But on the nineteenth good. Oh, he's really good. What's going on everybody? John Middlecombe Rian outlawed cast on the Colin coward podcast network. I'm talking all football this week all NFL draft. I go over the things I hate it. In the things I loved in the first round the one thing of the entire weekend that really stood out to me the kind of melt your heart in the tire. Kill situation. Is that a world disaster for the teeth out podcast me John middle? Come. All. Right. We do it. Every Monday is that we make a lot of bold predictions. I think it's what makes our show fun. We don't have. We're not paralyzed by being wrong. Sometimes we are calling right Colin wrong. Let's go where Colin was right. Well, it must have been a power outage in Milwaukee. I didn't get many tweets from Wisconsin after the bucks lost the first game of that series. It's the worst game one loss by a number one seat since eighty four. Hey, milwaukee. You haven't been in the playoffs much for thirty years. So let me tell you how it works. Regular season performance is not an indication of postseason excellence. And this is a team that doesn't have a dominant to. And it's also a team that doesn't have a lot of experience in the playoffs. And they got outcoached and outplayed badly at home Janas was a minus twenty four he got dunked on by Jalen Brown. Now. He's still a great player. I think they win the next game. And they could. Certainly win the series. But if you listen to Milwaukee fans, they were they thought they were gonna shred the Celtics in four or five games. This is a long series with two excellent coaches. Boston's got I believe the better closer, Kyrie Irving is harder to manipulate than Janas because he can handle the ball. And he's also a great perimeter shooter and a driver, but Boston's defense basically said we'll take you on us out. What your second pitch and your second pitch not much to crow about where Colin was raw? I've had about enough of Draymond green. In fact, Steve Kerr was seeing this year saying I'm about done with Draymond green. But he has been excellent in game six against the clippers. And he was great yesterday against the clippers in game six. He went sixteen points, tennis, says fourteen rebounds and four blocks and was crucial and yesterday fourteen nine and nine listen he is not the player consistently. He was two years ago. But the last game against the clippers and the first game against the rockets. He does at a girth dimension, a tough guy, an annoying guy of physical component to the warriors that frankly, they desperately need. Now that boogie cousins is out. And I thought he felt really important against Houston. So I was wrong on that. Where Colin was right. Well, Josh Rosen. As predicted is just too good. Not to go for a second round pick. And I thought Miami smartly went and grabbed him, and if he ends up flourishing heck of a day for Miami. We've also been saying his era Gance is just you can't draft him. Well, he handled the trade perfectly and graciously thanking the state thanking Cuyler Murray. Here's a little bit of it. Cardinals fans. Thank you so much for all of the continues to work this past year. I know he didn't win any. But not believable time Kyle. I just want to congratulate you and your family and getting drafted Arizona's really special place your love playing. Okay. Maybe he's just faking it needs in authentic. But I gotta tell you something a lot of bad guys all over sports show me proof. This is some sort of bad kid. There's a lot of projecting here. I'd like some identification improve some video I thought the kid handled it wonderfully and I'm happy for Miami. Because I think Miami just got a free quarterback for three years. He's he doesn't cost anything Carrizo already paid as guarantee money free. And for people being cynical about the video. Everyone doesn't do a video people can try time and don't do videos, ROY. Dick, where Colin was raw said the New England Patriots would move up in this draft while they moved up sideways down. They moved more than anybody. They had four trades Friday. They just they went down. They went up they they dealt with the Rams allot. Clearly Rams, Sean McBain Bella check have a relationship here. They were the most active team in the draft. But they did not move up. And also, they didn't get tight end. And the tight end was like the second most important part. So they they also took a wide receiver by the way in round one. And I've said for years, they don't take wide receivers ever in round one. So they went they traded down. They went and got a wide receiver. They didn't get a tight end. Wasn't right on that? Patriots. Did the opposite of what almost everything I thought they would do where Colin was right? Well, I said a couple of months ago that it just looked like to me that Kevin Durant was not only the best player in the league. But it kind of pulled away from everybody. He had thirty five yesterday, and he didn't shoot a bunch of threes. And in his last five games since he said, I'm Kevin Durant. You know, who I am? He's not only averaging forty shooting. Ninety one percent free. Throws forty percent three-pointers at fifty five percent field goal. Most of the great players in the NBA are called volume scores. Meaning they need a bunch of shots. This doesn't even need a bunch of shots. This doesn't even need threes to get the thirty five I want you to listen to the LA clippers after they lost the series two of their better players Patrick Beverley, Lou Williams had a great response in trying to defend Kevin Durant. No. He's a hell of a player. Shots. He took. He made some tough shots have used a coach. Would you? Tell us to do. To take to we tried everything. So we'll try to everything we we have several different coverages for Katie. And they didn't work. I mean, listen, those are great dudes and good players. But he's MJ. He's LeBron is prime. He's koby. He's birdies magic. Kevin durant? Now, he is separated as long as LeBron is out with an injury maybe changes next year, but he's just separated from everybody else. And this is what's happened my entire life. Watching the league the best player when MJ was number one. And number two was like Barclay and Barclay was great. But he wasn't MJ not even close defensively where Colin was raw. You know? I thought when Jeanie Buss took over the Lakers and fired or brother, Jim, I thought okay, we're going to get less chaos. The grownup we're going to see a game plan in my knock. Is it feels like the same thing that drove me crazy with Jim buffs? It's small. It's the country store. I want to see whole foods. I want to see a national chain. I wanna see big here. I love the Rams his family. They're wonderful people. But now they're involved in the coaching search, and I don't really understand that. And they don't have a coach arrival executive told me this week. End is like they're becoming kind of seen as like the NBA's most dysfunctional organization. I mean in Los Angeles, clearly the clippers now at least have a game plan really feel like they're completely buttoned up, and I like Jean genie. But I kinda thought there was going to be a different level of accountability. And professionalism and kind of on a macro level corporatization of the Lakers when Jim left and Jeannie took over. But I just it feels it feels to family it feels too small, and I don't like it where Colin was right. Dave Gettleman of the giants. He keeps trying to be SS. He said quote this weekend. I know two teams would have taken Daniel Jones before number seventeen Paul really. So you were sure you had to take Daniel Jones at six because you were sure to teams we're going to take him at seventeen even though Denver sources saying now Denver had no interest in him. This is a guy who knew what Denver was. Going to do in the draft in Washington, but didn't know this week ago. During the season. I'd gone to see Dwayne at Ohio State. I'd seen twain play in the big twelve. The big twelve anymore human Chevy's. In in India Napoli's. Okay. So you didn't know Ohio State was in the big ten. But you knew what teams in the draft. We're going to do stop BS ING us. Your over your skis ear over your head urine assistant GM, you're not you shouldn't be running a five billion dollar organization. Don't tell me you knew it other NFL teams. We're going to do because none of us do an I mean, none of us do. And then tell me, you don't know Ohio states in the big ten guys over his skis has been for two years this proved again where Colin was wrong, a Leonard. Now, fourteen to no against the Sixers. I I'm not going to want to call this a lot of people, I know like Toronto in this series. They think Philadelphia's to dysfunctional the baby dinosaurs had nice weekend. My thing on Colli is I think he's a very odd franchise player. He doesn't pass. He doesn't communicate. I think I would struggle with him. Being my franchise guy. I like talking and passing but he is a tremendous player. And there are times a lot of looks like the second best player in the NBA. And I gotta tell you. Philadelphia's in trouble here is a bad match up. They just don't have anybody that works against him. And again, he had forty five in game one. He's fourteen no against the Sixers. He's a really different personality and he's hard for me to get my hands around. But you can't deny he's fantastic on both ends of the floor. Where Colin was right. Well, once Seattle sign Russell Wilson that massive contract. I said, okay. You better figure out a way to get a bunch of draft picks. Yeah. You don't have any Seattle turn four draft picks on Wednesday into eleven by Saturday. It was a great move and the exact moved to see hawk should make listen once you pay a quarterback over thirty million. You've gotta get a bunch of draft picks Green Bay's done this. And you've got to start drafting the other side of the football because you gotta get cheap labor because you're spending so much money sub so much your cap space. Twelve fifteen percent on one guy that you gotta get really inexpensive. On other areas. And how do you do that get a bunch of draft picks which allows you to whiff on some? But if you can hit on fifty or sixty percent than you solve your financial dilemma and typically cap the John's neither and Pete Carroll. They went from four to eleven draft picks and they miss on five, but they need six new players. And that's how you do it where Colin was right? I have always defended super teams. I don't think people root for the underdog. They say they do, but they don't watch the underdog and the avengers movie made one point two billion dollars in three days. There's not an underdog in that movie. It is the ultimate Golden State Warriors of movies. It's all stars. Nobody wants to watch the Denver Nuggets. Nobody cares outside of that area code in Colorado. The Denver Nuggets stars overwhelmingly are good for sports. Good for box office. Good for ratings. Don't tell me. You don't like the warriors Golden State and Houston's getting a bigger number than. Denver in Portland and Milwaukee in Boston Philadelphia Toronto the avengers proved it when I first started in this business years ago. One of my first takes was I don't like the underdog. I want duked end up in the final four of a year along with Kentucky, Kansas, and you know, Syracuse and the avengers is the opposite of underdog and the biggest biggest grossing movie ever for three days. Short a catch live editions. The heard weekdays at noon eastern, nine AM Pacific. Let's just ground the conversation for a second. There's two point two billion people who use Facebook. It's about the size of Christianity. There's one point nine billion people who use YouTube. It's about the size of Islam. Welcome to sleep walkers a podcast about how technology is changing our lives in ways, we don't even notice. Did john? I don't know if that one we dig into the new technology that is altering how we understand the world and ask what effect is it having on us based on what people with searching full. We could direct them to videos on YouTube at counted ISIS propaganda. I'm Karen price on sleep walkers. We dive deep into the I revolution. And find out what it means for our future with the people who are building it every week. We'll bring you mind-blowing accounts of AI in daily life from algorithms in American courtrooms to a UFO that came out of the sky in northern Mexico like and subscribe to sleep walkers on apple podcasts the iheartradio app or wherever you listen to podcasts. Mark Schleyer three Super Bowl rings, multiple time pro bowler. You know? It's funny about Josh Rosen. You did multiple Arizona cardinal games. And it's very easy to look at his numbers and go he's a bum. But I actually watched them because I know the guys that run the organization, and I and I know Josh's family, and I thought I'm gonna watch. Josh sure, what is your? Purpose of his rookie year. And now go to Miami. I don't care like you could put iron man behind the offense of line that he played behind. Yeah. And you're going to struggle. Yeah. Like, I looked at the Zona cardinals. Just from a pure talent standpoint. Oh line was horrendous. But beyond that, I mean, David Johnson, literally. And if he was sitting right here he'd agree with me. He looked like he forgot how to play football, right? Like there was so many busts so many mistakes. There was across the board. Yeah. There was the volume of office. They tried to install under Mike McCoy for whatever reason. It was too much. They couldn't grasp it they they were they were awful upfront the awful in the running back department. Larry FitzGerald, God bless him. Because he's one of the great players. That's ever played this game. He is truly a pros pro. But when he's your most dynamic athlete at the receiver position in your fourteen or fifteen or whatever it was like you've got problems and that was across the board with zone car. So I don't care who is play. Quarterback for AirAsia that guy wasn't going to have success. And then he took a I mean, he took a beating I saw and this this'll be something that bothers people I saw in Atlanta game as I was preparing to to call the falcons game where he got sacked six times. He must got hit fifteen times and it was late in the fourth quarter. And you could just see like he was tired. He was like I like I'm going to I'm going to get killed out here. Like, I'm done. Yeah. So there was that part of it. And obviously as a football player, you know that bothers you. But you understand that that was a bad football team. Yeah. I wanna go to the Denver Broncos. Who drafted drew lock? Now, I'm not a huge flacco fan. But I do think he fits the profile of what John likes big strong kid. Denver gets cold November, December January. The history of the franchise is gonna be able to throw the ball through a little bit of wind in Denver and flacco, I think can do that. Then they went and got drew lock does. That mean what you live in Denver? You know? Oh elway. You know, what the Broncos do? What does that tell me what what's the message there? Well, I think there's a security blanket there. You're not forced to play drew lock. Right. He's a guy that they liked from the evaluation standpoint that they thought he was the best quarterback. Okay. Available. All right that fits their profile because John Elway like John Elway does not want to go to five ten like that to me is just like that would be like pulling teeth. Right. That's not who he is. So he fit the profile, and he thought he was the best athlete be best. Yeah. Korva had. This best skill set. You have by the way, a lot of people all scout said, he's the most. He was the best raw talent. He and Kyle Amaury with the best raw talent and the drive. I think I think you I think it's really interesting because you know, we all want to slap a great on the draft. Right. And we'll never know until two three years down the road when we see these guys and how they develop and and essentially how they how they it here and how they play in the National Football League. Because we've seen a lot of great college football players get. Into the league in they're overwhelmed by the league that we've seen guys that are free agents. They come in thrive in the league. So it's it's it's that's a tricky thing. But they moved back ten spots. They moved from ten to twenty. They got no fan. Who's legit? First rounder. Dalton reisner is a kid that on every like mock draft he was draft somewhere between twenty and thirty two. Yeah. So he's like a legit first round out and got a franchise quarterback. And they got a franchise quarterback who had who was in the first round in just about everybody's mock draft. So you essentially traded back ten spots and picked up two extra first rounders. You know, I mean, obviously the draft in the second. But I think you have to look at that and say, hey, if flacco is truly in the prime of his career like John Elway has said multiple times. Great. We've got a backup for the next three or four years. And if he's not you get by the way, great contract work Japan for two years. He's gone the next kid in. He's got one year of guaranteed money, then two years left after that that aren't guaranteed for. Okay. Didn't know that. He's only got one big year amongst got one year teed money on his deal. I it was too. So that's good. You know it. It was interesting over the weekend. Dave gettleman. I think we've all met this guy. Sure big story guy, but doesn't really know anything. He's he's fooling you. And those guys are always exposed Dave Gettleman last week acknowledged he didn't know what conference Ohio State plate in. It's been one hundred and three years big ten, but then he wants me to believe they took Daniel Jones at six because he knew at Denver in Washington wanted to pick which both have said they got the guy they wanted. So I think we have a vice president who is now the president this happens all the time in politics, Joe, Biden doesn't feel as presidential. But I thought he was a good to write like, Dave gentleman. I think there's just a lot of BS happening. And I think he's getting caught on camera. Am I wrong? I know. And like they've Gettleman was a scout in Denver when I played there. Okay. So like Dave Gettleman is a guy that will like he is a build your team from the inside out. God here was my biggest issue with Dave like if you. You love the guy. Great. Do you wanna marry the guy or do you just want to date the guy for a while? Right. Because you took him at six, and then the whole excuse for taking him at six like, you're essentially acquiescing to the media going. Well, well, there's a reason because we didn't think you'd be available at fifteen because we had good Intel the two other teams liked him at fifty. I love the guy. I took my guy at six he's going to be my future franchise after e and stop token. Yes. Stopped talking. Yes. Right. Like like, you don't have to explain yourself. This was the guy that I evaluated. I think has the most upside potential and the highest ceiling in this drought. And he was tutored by Cutler who was the guy who tutored Peyton Manning and ally, this is my guy and for the record of store so often in this sport, I've seen this with Gruden just stop talking at the podium like I talked for a living. I make mistakes, I get it. But if I ran FOX, you would rarely see me talk. And if I did I would be sinked right Gilman's are ramblers. Dave just say, you know, I I would have walked up and said, I gotta be honest with you. He's the closest thing to ally. Manning I've seen in this draft in a decade. And it'll be like we got two Super Bowls. I'm good with that. Right. Because everybody would know you don't meeting. I now you mean Eli. When he came in. He came in just because I think you can make that argument. I had a scout. Tell me about a month ago. They said he said he thought they would get the Daniel Jones at seventeen and he goes, you can sell them as the next Eli Gettleman never sold him the whole weekend is the next delight. That's all you had to do instead of just rambling Ohio State plays in the big twelve guys just making stuff up and then got good Intel, and you know, part of the part of the whole draft processes subterfuge. Right. You're lying to everybody. So I just like if you like a guy you evaluate a guy, and you got you think that guy is a generational player. Then own it says my guy. It's my guy, and guess what? I get to make the decisions. Yeah. March Lara Grichine. You buddy? One more heard the heard streams twenty four hours a day seven days a week within the iheartradio app. Search her to listen live or on demand. Whenever you like, you know, there's the old saying don't bite the hand that feeds you right understand who has helped you in life and don't turn on them. A James harden? Who's been the beneficiary of so many baskets in points. James harden, essentially travels on all his shots. Everybody in the league's complaining about it. Every players complaining about it. The officials have had a hard time officiating it, it's been the talk of the NBA season. The last two years James harden takes a step back that many people consider to be a travelling, and they don't call it. And it's allowed James harden to take a massive leap in production yet hardened yesterday was complaining about the very people who have been feeding in for years, and allowing borderline calls the refs here, it is just one man. Colder game I was supposed to be called in. And I'll live with the results that can change the entire series. Just call it a game. How it's supposed to be called. And and we'll there what the results. Well, the knock, of course, is everybody has been claiming that James harden, they wished the game would be called correctly, which is traveling for a step back. So he has benefited greatly from that, call Magic Johnson used to palm the ball, and you know, benefited greatly from that they never called it. Michael Jordan had a couple of back to the basket moves we moved his pivot foot. Look like, he traveled, and they let him have it. They often do this of a star creates kind of a new step a new move. They allow it. But Chris Broussard made a point about James harden complaining. First of all the one player that should not be complaining about getting calls or not getting causes. James harden? He is more calls than any player as well. Documented now just to show you how staggering it is. Here's free throw attempts in the last five years combined. Hardens number one Westbrook is to he has almost a thousand more free throws. And if you look at who's two and three Westbrook in demar derozan. Those are highly athletic players who are simply hard to defend because of their outlet ability. You're constantly chasing them harden is not that level of athlete. So what it tells you is officials are calling fouls against harden and his step back moves not because he's just more athletic not because he gets because they have allowed step back move harden is on a historic pace in free throws. Here's the three players that have led the NBA in free throw attempts in five straight years. And here's what's ironic. Hardin Karl Malone and wilt and during each of the five year stretches in which they have led the NBA and free throw attempts fifteen years, no titles because in hardens case in. Carl Malone's case and in Wiltz case early with the Sixers if you think you're going to win the NBA championship at the free throw line. You are not mailman. Let me deliver some news to you. You're not winning titles that way referees in hockey, basketball and football do not want to decide championships in hockey, football and basketball. I've seen it for forty years. They swallow whistles asked the saints don't blame the officials if you don't know that going in. And I really like Chris Bruce arts earlier, I think the rockets came into this series analytically thinking, we gotta get to the free throw line. That's you problem. The rafts are not going to allow this series to be decided at the free throw line, by the way, the NBA today came out with their two minute report. So the NBA comes out, and by the way, the NBA has never been afraid to rip its own officials. In fact, I've complained two minute report is not a great look for your. The league they came out with their two minute report. They looked over it. And based on the rules James harden draws Draymond green into the air during his shot attempt. Put this up full screen and. Green jumps in front of harden and would have missed him. If harden hadn't extended his legs, that's not an opinion. That is how the NBA after watching that tape one hundred times, that's how they call it. So Houston your opinion that is contact created by harden in the NBA came out today and their two minute report an hour ago and said, yeah, we would have called that on harden over Draymond green. And two dugout leaves point. If you jump straight up, I have to give you a place to land. But if you are jumping in extending your legs will wears your landing radius. What am I supposed to do as an official the defensive player to nominee rights the defensive player any territory? So it's almost like if if you're going to manipulate. Your landing area. It's almost like the IRS. If I was a company, and I was manipulating my taxes. The IRS could say all right. We want some of this territory back. We're going to audit you with a finer tooth comb than we audit other similar companies because we feel you're trying to manipulate us the IRS and the IRS says I don't have to audit everybody. Similarly, if we think you are manipulating our tax system, we will audit you with more ferocity with more volume with more agents and the NBA saying, all right. If you're trying to manipulate us, by the way, James harden is this last year? James harden added a dimension to his game the fall down, Greg. You watch almost every rockets game. He falls five times a game. That's not because his equilibrium got worse in the last twelve months. He is trying to add a layer of manipulation to his game. And the rest are like. Okay. Okay. Okay. And this whole year they've struggled with officiating, and there's been a lot of complaints. But then you get to the play offs and all the young officials are done. And now it's veteran NBA officials, and they're not gonna let him manipulate them. Like young officials do. So here was the great response from Draymond green to harden complaining about this. Call and the rest, I've been fouled by James on James three pointer before I. Thank going with them straight. Yep. Eight not gonna go with that one. So the NBA came out with their two minute report today, and they said Hardin initiated the contract contact. So and I said this earlier. It gets cold every year in the winter. It's my responsibility to buy a cold. I don't blame the weather and every year in the playoffs by the second round officials allow more contact that is not the officials fault. You have to be aware of that as an organization, and I think Chris Broussard brought up an interesting point the rockets came into the series thinking they were gonna win this thing at the free throw line. They thought we're going to admit manipulate this. And I don't think it worked. Jerry Lewis, his fifth wife dead. Seditious incur Kobe also aiming wine-house, Johnny cash and more disgrace them, so rock and roll true crime podcast with stories about musicians getting away with murder and behaving. Very badly is available now hosted by me Jake Brennan, you can listen to disgrace on the iheartradio app. Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

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"Hey I'm only Karen Rosen you're listening to the first take podcast. Here's the deal when it comes to insurance. State farm sets the bar. They make everything about the process easy. You can manage your coverage your bill or file a claim from the palm of your hand. Thanks to the state farm mobile APP which was awarded best insurance. Mobile APP Twenty nineteen. They truly care with. With nineteen thousand local agents, they are able to get to know you and provide options that fit your personal needs, but most importantly you can rely on state farm to give it two straight, just helpful advice in the answer you need when you need them. So when you want the real deal in insurance, go with state farm like a good neighbor. State farm is there. Meanwhile Vikings running back dowd and CO planes to hold out without a reasonable extension, according to our Adam Schefter the pro back twenty four now finds himself in a similar spot, other running back Ezekiel Elliott lay on bell. Todd Gurley David, Johnson veterans were invaluable to their offense, but we're playing position in which wages have not risen at the same rate, clearly as quarterbacks mats. I'll start with you here. How much leverage does Delvin Cook actually have? Not so much in fact and dominique. I'll leave to you because This is not the first time we've talked about this. I'll leave to you. You know what how he can might take this offense over the top, and you know we're. The Vikings are with him versus without him guys. The fact of the matter is look at teams who've signed running backs too big deals in recent years where we've had a chance to see that deal playout. It has not like Todd Gurley. They didn't have to even Redo his deal and they did and look where he is now. Do you think the rams wish they could have like a take back on that one to do over on that one? Dalvin Cook is explosive and Dominic I. Get the sense I think he's better than you think he is in fact, but the running back position particularly for an injury, prone back is not smart to pay until you absolutely have to. And until he shows that you're really gonNA have to pay 'em and you can't win without him. I don't know that they do my proposal for all of this by the way, and this is not original to me. Others have proposed similar things. You need a running back exception in the NFL running back as a super athletic position. Fans love to watch them. It used to be a glamour position. There's a lot of talent there, but because of the nature of football, the rules changes constantly through the years favoring the forward lateral, the running back position has been devalued the beating. They take the fact that you don't have to pay guys in the beginning of their career. By the time it's time to pay them. You can franchise them by the time that's up. Up the running back on the as a few years ahead of him of prime productivity, if that's what he never really comes into his payday, I think the NFL should consider a running back exception. I know other positions. What about this position that position? I think an exception for this position is warranted given the evidence that it wouldn't count against the CAP, or you have a special budget for it or something like that because. Cook is worth in an absolute sense, a whole lot of money, but in the reality of the NFL not as much maybe some sort of exception with the kicker. If you hit certain benchmarks or an opt out clause in contracts, only running back something that allows them to get compensated I think all those are interesting things to put on a table however. However I'm going to disagree with you on whether they should pay him and you're right. You probably like Alvin Cook a little more than even I do so. I don't have to convince you how good he is in the numbers. You suggest that I have right here. The QBR of the team of Kirk cousins obviously goes up to sixty one fifty eight. Eight with Cook on the field goes his his completion percentage seventy one percent to sixty six yards per tip eight point five to seven point four touchdown interception ratio is fifteen to one with him on the field versus ten to five with him, not on the field, so his value to the offense cannot be understated, but the thing that bothers me A. A little bit and I I fall into an ex player, but I fall into the analytics crowd, and I believe in a lot of analytics, and I love to read and research that stuff and set up my own little rudimentary spreadsheets to get some insight, so I'm not gonNA, knock the analytics crowd but i. do believe just in general as life philosophy. absolutes are for children in dumb people like if you are incapable of of sorting through thoughts on your own and making a case by case. Analysis I think that's the problem. You give absolutes to children because you're like. Hey, kid never crossed the street without the flashing walk symbol, because it's dangerous, but across the street without the flash walks them all the time. Because I'm a grown up, I can look both ways so I feel the same way. Be Dangerous. If you say absolutes like never signed a running back, that doesn't take into account the context and maybe the. The Vikings are playing football an antiquated way. Maybe they built their team on wisely, but the fact of the matter is they're team is built around the running attack. Their team is built around Dalvin cooks ability, and it's got even more intense when they got rid of Stefan digs so like they now need. More than they ever have in the past and I could understand if you say bilger running attack by committee like I can get behind that because that makes sense with analytics. That's what I would do, but they did. They took down and cooking the first round. They built a team to make Alvin Cook succeed, so you got to commit to that at this point and Dalvand Cook I think it's interesting to also know the language that Davin Cook has used suggests. Suggests that this should get done because he's not saying I want to set the market. He's not going to be the highest paid running back. He said I wanna get paid something reasonable and one point three million is not reasonable for the best most important player especially when you extend the quarterback. Who was head guaranteed money on is still so I know you agree that damage to get paid, but I don't think you agree that the Vikings should pay him. And I think they should. Yeah exactly I hope he gets his money that I hope you'll get your money. It's not that I'm rooting against you. It's the question of what I would do I the team. You know the issue the thing about. The Guy Plays. Play out and then franchise tagging them is not that you're saving money per year. It's that you don't have to commitment the kill you in the future to a guy who who you don't know what's going to happen and cook as never played more than fourteen games. In which he played last year now he scored thirteen touchdowns in those fourteen games, but the calf scored fifteen touchdowns in those sixteen games, but for a guy who can't stay healthy or has had a hard time so far to say what's really I. Don't know what's reasonable to him, but. At least you want fan like eleven years worth of guaranteed money. They're right. It's not the it's not the per annum it's. GotTa guarantee third. Let's perfect. Million dollars brought that up where he's average. What taglibue president played a season three three year guarantee? He's twenty four and the analytics that you and I both believe in suggest running backs. Don't fall off to twenty nine or thirty. He's twenty four. If they signed him to a three year extension right now, he will earn that money. He will have the value and only argument against him is and you see how much is getting paid? He was second to Christian McCaffrey and yards from scrimmage last year, and he weighed down on that list. Yes, so that's fine, but like. I could've only. Jay Z Q Elliott. Flaming Johnson money back that Zeke Elliott the. Better thing is this is very. You're very smart Max. Let me explain this to you and I know you understand this I agree with you. That's not how I would build my team, but that's how they build their team. So you're saying that's not what I would do well. If you are dropped in that situation right now, you have to make the decision right now. You have to make based on all the information. The decisions that were made leading up to this point the. Is To pay Dalvin Cook so they should do all that, but they ended up. Where they have a superbowl caliber team, they need their best player especially since their second best player, they shipped out of town. The question is do you throw? Don't throw good money after bad on the one hand or you. You set the table now. It's time to eat on the other like this is what you plan to do so now graduate, but on the other hand if you've made a mistake. So continue making it the. Position is the same problem with the defensive tackle position like in the draft. You can too easily approximate a top guy later in the draft that top guy really better give you a premium and while I agree that cook gives you a premium. He hasn't stayed on the field enough to suggest that you can do that going forward on a consistent basis. Argument, that's your best argument. No wonder he paid the Vikings. Grand the ball second most in the league season. Listen Dominic. At least you didn't try to compare doubting cousins again. Didn't do that yesterday. I was. Parties was sharing more so at Geiko. We'd like to say thanks. Thanks for sharing your savage dance moves. Thanks for sharing your diy. Haircut fails. 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Famer has much of an impact or more than Michael. Irvin hat on the game and on America team. I want to be on a team that makes unbelievable memories. Together I. Feel like that is what we're going to do here and I cannot wait. Max You're up first year just having a bit of a Mike issue, but I got it together. How much more pressure is now on deck with lamb as a part of that offense? More pressure of course because the cowboys came off in the draft, and by the way my Chris Criticism of Jerry and Steven Jones is not that they're bad GM's I. IF I had to figure level of GM, are they considering they don't really have the credentials to be GM's? They get to be the GM because Daddy. owns the team right good for you? Jerry Jones a lot of us would want to install ourselves as GM's, and many wouldn't be very good at it in fact, but especially in this day and age as it gets more and more sophisticated. My Hat's off to Jerry and steven jobs do good GM's. Not Great, but at least average, and that's a hard thing to be. Nepotism usually has a negative effect on businesses, but My my criticism really is if you're the cowboys and you're trying to be the best. Why don't you have the best job why? Your content with a good enough one along those lines good draft. They did cowboys a lot of good draft. You look at the guys were on the roster couple years later compared to say a team like the giants who've been poorly run recently. Cowboys to a lot better job drafting than you know the giants Washington. There in that division, they in the Eagles are better than the other two, and that's one of the reasons. They're a better team and they've done it again. So. Yeah, every year there's pressure on deck when you see the names coming in a particularly when you just spent a lot of money keeping your number, one receiver Amari Cooper is impossible in man coverage, and when you look at the offense, all world running back and you have guys like Dominique Foxworth. Dominic Foxworth saying. He's. What stack up. In, the next. Great quarterback! He's great. He's just a step below lead. He's going to ascend to elite this coming season you watch got. He's great, but a step below elite. We all have different nomenclature for this kind of. The offensive line want maybe took a step back because retirement still a good offensive line like he has everything every year. It seems like he has everything. Okay, the defense they should focus more on stopping the past than stopping the run in the offseason. Fine, you want to quibble, but they have talented linebacker. Who underperformed last year. They paid the front. They paid their best guy. Guy On the front. They have what more DVD even has the coach now? The saying are solid coach, so yes, of course bringing in the best receiver by acclamation on during this in this draft, the one that people were killing eagles for not drafting. Yes, it puts more pressure on Deck I. DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW put more pressure on back if you're just saying how how. How they've been good GM's and they've built these teams. These teams have been good since he's been there and he's been good in great many of the easy. He's had a top five Qbr at the end of the season three of his four seasons. He's been fantastic lead playoff game winning drives on on two separate occasions. One Aaron Rodgers Kinda stole one from there with. With that miraculous pass in his rookie year, but he's been. He's been everything he wants. I don't understand how this can be any more pressure of anything HA- adding lamb, we'll take some pressure off of him to be the kind of bowl. From of this offense, he has other people to distribute the ball to in lamb special because he's like a running back out. Out there and that's what I mean by taking some of this pressure. There haven't been a ton of players for data. Throw the ball to. They're going to take it and turn it into something the way that CD Lampkin. That's what's special about him so I think he'd take some pressure off of debt, and Dacca's lived up to. All of the expectations actually surpass them. Them considering where he was drafted, and you try to say how much pressure on him, because of the talent around him, the talent has been great, but the defense haven't been good the part of the ball the side of the ball that he is most responsible for has been good. It's been incredibly efficient. Less year was an incredible. They were only second to the chiefs. Chiefs in the Ravens as far as offensive efficiency is concerned, so the issue on the other side of the defense has been mediocre to worse when he's been a quarterback. So that's something. He can't control for us, so I think there is a lot of pressure on him. Don't get me wrong whether he deserves it or not. I think he's proven himself. He doesn't deserve. Deserve this pressure deserves a contract, and it deserves people to respect what he's accomplished and expect him to keep getting better, but I know the pressure's GonNa be on them because that's just how it works. We put the pressure on the quarterback. You've gotten rid of the coach so now that it's GonNa fall back if it doesn't work out whether it's his fault or not. Dak feasted by the numbers on the team from the franchise from Washington two games, the New York you don't understand. WHO Games. But. I certainly made it takes. Strength Opponent, but I made it takes the strength of opponents like it's A. It's the best way it's not perfect, but it's the best thing we had. I agree it's A. It's a good shorthand for sure I believe I review. It is the best shorthand, but there's like a a tipping point when you're playing a sorry defense, there's no real way to take into account. The strength of opponent for a defense like the defenses is that he faced in the NFC east last year at least four times out of the six games that he had to play and so. He doesn't turn the ball over and things like that that Qbr, certainly values, but he also criticism of the reason he's not in fact, great is when you if you watch him carefully. Yup, he didn't make a bad decision there, but there were better decisions to be made. There were plays that he leaves on the field I. Never get the sense when I'm watching deck that he is. Upper, echelon kind of talent like I. Get the sense that Carson Wentz is at his best to I, think Carson. wentz might follow a spectacular plate with two or three possibly bad plays and is more consistent but I. Have Not seen in my view I've never looked at that and said Oh. That's an MVP caliber player so I think he has a chance to be dom like I agree I, think he can be great, but I haven't. Haven't seen it yet. I think he's good and so yes, adding the best receiver in the draft to a receiving core that already had Amari Cooper when he already has Ezekiel Elliott when he already has like everything like asking more. If you're of quarterback is greedy if you could tell any kid in the work in this country, Hey, how'd you like to grow up to be the quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys and here's the team you're playing. Get Him Outta here. It's wrong he's. OFF Yeah I pressed the kill to get rid of them because he's foolish. We've turned into a different entire bay. We have another debate later Max about the best receiving draft, because that's judy, not necessarily lamb but I think adding lamb to already loaded Rossier. He's right Lotta team in Dacca Prevail, but deck is shown an ability to to do well in all situations I don't understand why we expect him to to stop now. All of a sudden get bad and not continue to get better. All right before we go to break real quick. Yes, or no, there is came back back. Nice try dominy. Dominate, do you have the cowboys winning the division Yes or no? Yes, I do. Hello this is your apartment i. need some favors from you. Your cat keeps rubbing against the kitchen island, and I can't return the favor. Can you give her extra pets for me after that? Could you bundle your renters and car insurance with GEICO? We could save money and it's easy to do online and one last thing. Could you leave the TV on during the day? I need to catch up on my soaps. For Bundling made easy, go to GEICO DOT, com today. It could be a routine drive to pick up the kids after school or an epic road trip across the country. No matter where your travels take you. We know those miles count. We're marathon. We have over five thousand seven hundred stations across our great nation are people are working hard every day to provide you with quality top tier gasoline to improve engine performance and fuel your life. Marathon fueling the American spirit. The New York Knicks Rangers and their parent companies Madison Square Garden Sports and Madison Square. Garden entertainment released a statement Tuesday on a call for social justice in an end to racism events by protests throughout the country quote. Every one of us has a role to play in creating a more just and equal society where there is no racism, bigotry, violence or hate, we stand with all who act for positive change. Max Kellerman. Floor is yours my friend. Well those are all good sentiments, and we should all share those values for sure. But let me ask something of this clown, organization. It took you two weeks plus to come up with that. Two weeks to come up with that. A grade school kid could come up with that today like right now if I gave them the assignment in five minutes right something about values that we should share society. Five minutes a grade school kid could write that. It took the New York Knicks a multibillion dollar organization more than two weeks. So that's one that is puff therapeutic James Dolan pathetic. Just like your organization which Finis- Finish, dead, last or near to it. Basically every year for decades now congratulations, the second thing is. Save black lives matter. It's not hard just say black lives matter. Can you write that somewhere in your statement? Can you say George Floyd name? What are you afraid of? What is Dolan afraid of? He can't. He can't have one of his flunkies. Right black lives, matter, or say the name George Floyd. What is he afraid of? It's easy. Black Lives Matter George Floyd has life matter say his name? Write it down. Send it out, I do not see this is the latest example, but maybe this'll be the final Straw for some people I had a final Straw years ago, watching mishandle my team of my boyhood that the team that I rooted for at least the franchise. Until he does save black lives, matter or George Floyd's name and an official Knicks press release. I don't see how you can root for this team. I wonder if this will be the final Straw for so many who have stubbornly continued to patronize this team and Line James Dolan's pockets I. don't see how that's possible anymore. I don't understand, so he had. The statement is pretty weak and it's. Extra Week because like. Have you been watching the news or reading the Internet like we've all told you it's been quite clear. The statements that people applaud in the statements that that people clown and it's also been quite clear that you need to attach some actions to your statement, so it feels like it's not genuine especially since this is their second strike when the first one was leaked. Memo so like you have to know at this point and I guess you don't have to understand what this organization. They're like history of ineptitude on the court in recent history, at least well I guess it's not recent anymore. It's been a long time. It's that they are they make a lot of poor decisions as a nice way to put it and we often in this in professional sports. We talk a lot about how it's true competition. Except for at this level there is no no recourse or no consequences for being terrible at your job at this level and I know what people will say well, but he owns the team. If it's terrible that matter that doesn't matter because that's his team. That's not completely true like while I all of these guys, we consider them owners, and they probably own majority. Majority share of their team. All that is fine, but they live in a special paradigm, a paradigm that we normally don't allow businesses to live in. They are allowed to skirt antitrust laws. The government gives them that right because of the union on the other side, and that allows them to avoid real competition, so if you want to pretend like they live in some. Some real business world where their virtue is determined by how much money they make, and you can say Oh, they're good business person because they make money. That's not true. In this case, they make money because they have to and a team like that I know people have talked about the relegation model that they have and the EPL and other professional soccer leagues. That's. That's something that I think is worth considering in light of all of this because you don't deserve to continue to make money when you can't figure out a way in a league that's constructed with the draft and salary cap is constructed to make sure that everyone's competitive. They've found a way to not be competitive and not only that they found a way to. To continuously mishandle off the court stuff from the way that you talk to your past greats in the way you treat your past greats or your number, one fan to the way that you handle issues of social justice in race like it is quite pathetic, and you could argue that no other company. Has this responsibility nearly as much as a professional sports team does. Does because of that antitrust like we are our government. Supposedly, we make those decisions so us as citizens give them that right to have a monopoly to have a legal cartel to suppress the wages of their employees. Something that we don't give to anybody else. We give them a blank check essentially in. WOULD THEY GIVE US return? Is that milk toasts, statement and And a lot of losing I'm happy. I'm not a Knicks Fan. Sorry for you. I would not say I would not compare Dolan to Donald Sterling Donald Sterling was was a not just. It's not an issue of degree. It's an issue of kind. Donald Sterling's different kind from Dolan. I want to lump him sterling, but I WANNA point out. Adam silver used an excuse. Excuse to get rid of Donald Sterling. You know it was unrelated to the he's like no. That's a good enough excuse. Get Out and I think that was a very good idea and I think he should start looking for an excuse. I don't know if this rises to that level to get rid of a bad owner who's bad for basketball? He's bad Amer! The A cost everybody money off. Every. That's right when you consider by the way even when you talk about the businessman. His daddy gave him the team. He didn't earn some fortune independently by the Knicks Daddy gave them the team. And since then he's run the team into the ground, even but in terms of business. You're right. It's a different paradigm. You're protected in certain ways hard to lose money as an NBA owner in do anything there except Nick Knicks Knicks. Fans lives miserable right, but this thing now let me tell you something. Billionaires don't like to be told what to do. I would hope that fans would by not patronizing that team. Forced Dolan to say. Black lives matter and for is confused. It's parenthetically to I. Don't WanNa all lives matter of course all live. That's the whole point. It seems that all lives do except black lives, not as much, and that's the point George Floyd. Let me hear you say his name. He was murdered. Everyone Soy Dolan. That's all this is about Dolan say black lives matter. Write it down. You had two weeks to come up with it. That was week what you did. And George Floyd name, and until then I don't see how. Knicks fans can continue to be Knicks fans. Yeah I think it's getting harder and harder for them every day, but Max certainly week sauce in your earlier point. You're right. It took them weeks. It took too long and then a grade school student could have wrote something like that. You couldn't pay more accurate with that statement. The NBA plan to finish out the season going into effect in July the latest odds up for the winners in the eastern, the west of the bucks, as you can save the best dog in the east all by the Celtics and the reigning champion Raptors and then. In the West. We've got the Lakers favorite with the clippers and the rockets just. Gave Williams, joining us now good. Morning Day, actually good afternoon at this point good to have you with us good to talk some NBA and to know that it's back in July all Max. I will start with you. Let's focus in on the NBA. Big Three right now. Who needs the championship more? Are you going? JAANUS LEBRON OR CO WHY? Well if that's the option among those three I have to go with the honest, because you don't have one I mean honest I thought had established himself as the best player in the League. Particularly once Lebron got hurt and early in the playoffs the way he was playing, he ran into Leonard and yes, in those high leverage moments if you're talking about. Two of the top five players, and the best one Lebron at the time who had been saving his best for the playoffs as he had in recent years had shown that he was definitively the best now. He can't prove it in the playoffs. Yeah, I, think the title for best in the world is up for grabs at that point and. Took it from Janas. Lebron's got multiple championships and he'll have his hardcore. Followers always say he's the best practically. No matter what Kawais got multiple championships Yana doesn't have one, and that's the knock against him. If he can win one now he not only enters. The conversation is best player in the League guys, I think he probably established themselves as the best player in the in the NBA. Yeah, I think that it would help us out a lot and I'm not gonNA fall for your trap your Lebron. Slander McCall. Kendrick Perkins. If you keep up with that nonsense and get him to get you on that, but I think that I think y'all got protect. Honest absolutely could benefit from this championship, but he doesn't need it. The most twenty five got plenty of time for store to be written, and he's going to be great for quite some time and he may be Milwaukee may not be like. He's got a lot of time I. Think Kawhi needs the most because we already know right now. Lebron is one of the greatest of all time. People could argue that he is the greatest but him. Winning a championship right now isn't gonNA. Make you think that he's better than Mj or people who think that M J is Greater. This championship isn't going to change. Change that for him. Kawai has an opportunity to solidify himself on that level I. think what happened last year was a great step in that direction. However, many people will explain away what happened because of injuries how he won that championship and his spurs time. He wasn't always the focal point. A lot of support I think he stands to gain the most from this, and he's much older in his body. As we all see is starting to break down in a way that you can't expect Jonathan's too so he needs this at this moment right now more than anyone else, because if not we think about. A player who had a great run and had a great career, but not an all time great if he wins another championship I, think we talk about it. That way and Janas has more time and Lebron is already in that conversation. What do you think j? With an Inca Max I hear you on Yana some kind of surprise so because I remember being on the show last year and you were saying that you know you thought. Was the best player in the game in that you know. When came down the playoffs? You know that's where you. You said that. He was more clutch than anybody else in the league. So you know for me if that's the case for you Max and I want to see. Prove that over. Sustainability would be in the best player in the League. That's in your opinion. You know what I mean. I I WANNA see him. Dominate the League for any of might do that. You might do that I for me. Personally I think Milwaukee it's just not Janas. Milwaukee Right Jaanus is going to be who knows what happens with the CPA next year. Due to the pandemic and some the issues that could occur revenue. Revenue Wise, you know if we're able to finish out the season or not cove it, but I think Milwaukee is a team or franchise at so much. I I think is heavy on this year now. Look I think this is a small market guy either. He has no need to be in a bigger market. I don't think that's his personality, but that's just my subjective opinion. That's not Yana speaking for himself, but if you're Milwaukee if. You're. John Horace if you're GM or your owner, you're sitting there, saying okay, we have the best record in basketball has from multiple years. Now that you know Jaanus is going to win the MVP if he wins it again for the second time in two years in we have to. We have to be there. We have to be there and we have to win chip because we want to keep the sky for the next ten to fifteen years, so I think walkie has the most to lose if they don't win a championship. Well! I agree with that look Milwaukee. It's amazing that they're even in contention a place like Milwaukee not since they had the big old with Kareem, could they win a championship? And you even look at who is the free agent? It was a power forward who signed with the bucks I believe maybe seven or eight years ago. It was like a fifteen million a year. Oh my God! They got a free agent, not top tier, but the next tier down because that's the best place like Milwaukee is used to ever signing the history of of professional team sports least the NBA. Milwaukee never gets a top freak. The fact that they were able to build around the honest to the extent that they weren't developed and be. Here is amazing, but the thing about I want to get back to. Heeds it more. Look. Janas it is true has time and why to solidify very good idea. It's really good if any one of them has a good argument, is really important for them to win the championship this year. jaanus has bigger fish to fry, I think ultimately then even just his place in the League right now Jaanus has a chance to be mentioned among the greatest players who have ever like the upper upper tier. Think about his age. Think about the kind of player is think about the little tweaks in his game that would make them completely unstoppable. If the three point shooting picked up just a little if it's handles, got even a little better where he can create his own shot, you know as opposed to just being kind of big dressed up as a wing, and having good handles for a seven footer, but if the at good handle period right like. Little adjustments and this is completely impossible, but he needs championship to start validating his position among the all time greats of everyone. We've seen guys to come along post. Michael Jordan. There was Kobe. There was shack with first shack then Koby then Lebron like could one of these guys replace Jordan? The answer has been no, no, no. What about you us? What if you're honest? Did those things? What does this three started dropping and he started collecting chips. Now I think there's huge stakes for Jaanus. Yeah I'm with you, but the door is closed in on Colli like the tourists closing him the door, still wide open Janas could still do that like Janas could survive one more season without a championship and still put together a run that gets him into that upper echelon. I'm not sure how many years Kawai has at this level, and how many teams co is GonNa be on going forward, and how long frankly his body can can hold up like he hasn't had a league MVP in part because we're not sure that he. He can make it through that season because he obviously has the talent to do it. We're not sure we can make it to through a season plan at that level and also performing the playoffs, so like Kawai is on the doorstep. And maybe he was set back in part because he didn't come into the league with a lot of attention, but the door is called him. The window is closing on him. Much fascinated on yawns both things could happen. You just GonNa lose the championship this year and then go on to win. I don't know if Kawhi is ever going to get a chance as good as he has right now. So. Jen The supporting cast and Doc rivers. You don't think he'll get another shot I think he'll be in this year. They'll be next year to. Kawai not healthy. I think that's the biggest question. Mark Max I think you're talking about the you know. Look at look at the time span of how we're GONNA finish this regular season into playoffs. If you call that playoff, madness ends in October and then for guy, if you're asking him to go next level plant playing wise as far as allocated time, and then not quick turnaround that comes into December again. Again, for another long, since another long season, that Adam silver talked about condense schedule and more back to backs. You'RE GONNA. See A lot of low management I. Hear Necas saying you know. Is there door ability with Kawai in maybe Paul George and his guys get them there, but we've also seen the narrative twists very quickly like Oh, this was quieting, but now this is Paul doors in because. Or question back in, so he might have more chances, but as a released sue, is he the guy taking them there I'm not sure that could happen with durability. I don't think he's on the back end, guys. Seems to me. He's getting better and better. Including this year, his passing went from good to excellent this year, but think is the kind of guy who's always going to load manage I. Don't think you'll ever play a full season. A kind of extended career version of Midi Bill Walton, who never really played a full season, but at one point was the best player in basketball over like won. The MVP with fewer than seventy games played I. Think we're looking in the foreseeable future, the way pitchers nowadays could win a Cy Young, one hundred eighty. Innings pitched a starting pitcher. We're in Hawaii may have three four years of prime left sixty something games a year. We're GONNA. Wind up judging him in the playoffs. Let me, ask you this. I mentioned that the purple and gold there slight favorites over the clippers. Do you think the Lakers should be the favorites in the West? Think the Lakers finished with the best record in the regular season in the West, but I don't think there should be the favorite I think when you look at the clippers, you can sit there and make as many qualms out team about injuries as you alike, but you just look at depth. Really ridiculous I mean. We got Patrick Beverley. Who defensively isn't that you got? One of the best scores in the game you look at some of the off some of the acquisitions they've been. There were able to make them free agency The Moore's. It's Reggie Jackson Mantras Herrell I mean a names. Go on and on, and then you talk about two guys that have. Got To come off wind MVP last year and Kawhi Leonard and I with maximum point. He's a playoff guy who's going to show up in the playoffs. He's going to bring that kind of tenacity mixed. What Paul George I think the clippers are the favorite in the west and it's going to take. The Lakers allow. Are they able to do this? Yes, but it's GonNa take a lot from Lebron jinx a lot like next level play from the Bronx, beat the slow team. I think the clippers should be the favorites and by the way I think it's a little bit of a cop out I. Agree with you. There deeper I like Patrick Beverley Lou Williams a lot and they're both underpaid, but there is a reason they get five and seven or eight million dollars a year, and not much much more because they're. They're the just the kind of guys you want on your team, but they're not superstars and so. So I think part of that is people building in excuses for when collide outplays Lebron people will point to other factors. The fact is the Lakers went top heavy throughout the history of the League. That's how you do it. And they went on Anthony Davis and then try what they could around him. Danny Green in them, but I think the clippers because of Leonard really when it comes down to it are the favorites in the West. The clippers are who I picked in the preseason. Yeah, clippers, who I picked in the preseason, but I changed my mind watching watching Lebron in a d, The idea of them pick and roll in key situations at the end of the season and AD. Control admit on defense. I think Lebron on the wing. It's GONNA be tough. I gotta go with the with the Lakers and Lebron James. All right that'll do. I take for Max Kellerman Jay Williams. Dominique. Foxworth I'm Ali Care Rose. Thank you so much for hanging with US nick. You're on fire today. You want to pick a fight with anyone else. Despite. Great TV, all right, let's see tomorrow ten thirty a M.

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The New King of LA, Charles Barkleys take summit, Opening week instant reactions

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The New King of LA, Charles Barkleys take summit, Opening week instant reactions

"Of Sports illustrated now rob whenever people ask me about you I say rob he's very polite guy great guy he's a writer's writer it's the technique what's up open floor globe is bent over with the Washington Post I am joined on the other line by Rob Mahoney this brings me to what I think is actually the topic of the week because Barclay weighed in on it it's been on my mind since Tuesday night watching that Clippers Lakers game communist for you know basically standing up for his own financial interests Ed China but sort of dancing around it Charles Barkley comes out a week later that way but Charles Barkley still brings the heat every time rob he just there's something about his personality he's been doing it for so long and I'm curious open ended question how many people in the NBA do you think are better at basketball than Charles Barkley is at his is a legit rivalry at the top of the NBA right now Lebron James Versus Kawhi Leonard You could say it started back in the two thousand thirteen kind of the lifeblood of basketball I don't think there's a single NBA player right now who has mastered the game like Chuck has with the takes it here's why say you brought up they're so well honed he knows exactly where to jab I just go into these situations almost with more anticipation for the other than I have for the Games Ellis because I was getting death threats of last week from Lakers fans who thought I was a little too negative on their preseason outlook but all of this he's like really high level takes men in terms of finding the it really is tough to search for that exact vein that you need to plug into in the American sports sites was like the morning after that Crazy Lakers clippers opening night game in Los Angeles so I'm not totally sure that they were they might have been a little worse for wear let's put it is he doesn't catch any of the hate he's like bulletproof like Teflon is really just remarkable I don't know how he's ascended to this level in society certainly out of how like free access to Barclay Shack and Kennedy Smith and Ernie Johnson and they just let loose with the takes up unfortunately this year's takes me he with TNT and their PR team they tend to hold these like I don't know if you WANNA call him take summits about twice a year all star before the season where you just allow ours with the takes men's takes men and that would be Charles Barkley now longtime open floor or listeners understand my respect for Barclays craft the particular brand of kary that they engage in and then at a certain point you really do have to appreciate the art of it as you mentioned as we talked about previously how could you craft a tweet and then just jab at it over and over and over until people just go crazy I think you know chuck is so good at that and so good identifying really what is the commentary You know like Lebron and Maury at all of that right like how could you get yourself fired so Lebron catches seventy two hours of heat calling him a that could maximize the biggest negative response possible and there's a similar kind of like mental gymnastics involved with being Charles Barkley or being Stephen a Smith or is basically just rips the sheet off he just says look Lebron should stand up for his money Daryl Morey had a stupid tweet screw with his money why should Lebron's money gets screwed up stop it's a great question I mean especially as a medium member you kinda go inside with this thing where I know there was a point at which kind of roll my eyes it inside the NBA and like down. I'M GONNA go head to head against you you could say it went to another level when Lebron comes out in that first quarter like a man on the mission turnaround jumper why should the NBA be drafted all this which is even more cynical at heartache and controversial then Lebron yet Charles is magic in fourteen finals when I was still in San Antonio you could say a went to another level when quiet aside you know what I'm not going to team up with Lebron I'm GonNa have my own team in your in different player types but are you seeing it are you gathering this momentum in this robbery I am and I really enjoyed your column on that specific I drive and kick threes to Danny Green got off to a little bit of slow start but then it kicked up to another notch when Jesus went into takeover expectations in a matchup and things like that and then co is kind of like passive passive I guess like so there's just a complete vacuum in terms of the verbalizing of the rivalry obviously is out with injury for years it was derived durant versus Lebron or some people might have done steph versus Lebron not kind of a direct robbery because they're different positions point on just the differences between those two guys and it's a weird one because you know historically when we look at the Great Mba rivalries you know trash talk as a really important part of it personnel it's just not common on every night basis for Lebron and I think he really wanted that game at least it seemed that way from the way he was playing and yet everything was still pretty a and as you mentioned Lebron trying to insist that this isn't one and yet when they get on the court we see and maybe it's the Clippers Lakers thing maybe it's just Lebron coming into a new season and trying to show these streetlights over spotlights again trying to maybe hit a different theme than Lebron and the Lakers they don't Wanna be that Glitz and Glam organization Audie is really important part of it Lebron certainly has that in spades but he's also Lebron can be a pretty passive aggressive guy when it comes to stoking a rivalry in managing it saw that new balanced commercial but they've got him with a key chain that's got a crown on it he says this is my city. La The clip the clippers whole marketing refund series between those two all year I can't wait to watch the rest of the year and you know what I'm noticing rob is that quite starting to feel as personality a little bit I don't know if he vermote man on Tuesday night and so I'm curious are you are you buying what I'm selling here I mean we we've been looking for a big time robbery at the top of the League Kevin Durant take this thing seriously again but he's getting back in transition he's defending like we really don't see him defend in the regular season anymore he's engaged in trying in a way that difficult and I think that has more to say about the Lakers as a team than anything about Lebron specifically but that matchup is always really rich in terms of you know whenever you have two players playing the saints I feel like the Clippers and especially guys like Patrick Beverley Lou Williams mantras herald I mean they just eat that stuff up and Co why is powerful enough figure here attention if he didn't want this robbery they would not be playing it up like they are he would not be in the new balanced commercial hinting that he's the new king right so -sition that's a nice thing the inner change there but also the way that coli as a defender can challenge Lebron and what that brings out in him and what that brings out of their match up I mean this is really big that in a very marlow from the wire type way quite as it want to be seen necessarily out there you know owning his chest I'm the new guy at but he's planning these seeds very subtly and I and I thought actually it was revealing in the post game in so many possessions just by literally ripping the ball out of good good basketball players hands taking away rebounds from guys blowing upsets I mean he really isn't incredible Graham right now is we over me it feels like a shot at the Lakers Lebron they had some words during their pre-game introduction that was basically Lebron's washed up that's not what I'm saying but I do think that just like every other basketball player ever he's subjected to gradual decline at this stage of his career we as we've seen with him being able to just give out a backpack to every single kid in the city because that's just how they roll now with the clippers he has enough juice that if he didn't want you know a little bit rusty didn't play a lot in preseason Paul George is not even playing Lebron hasn't played since March so definitely wants to make a statement Anthony Davis has been killing at jury it definitely seems like it's a factor at times I'm not sure that his burst or physical pop necessarily is where game again he was missing some shots around the basket that I think two years ago he would have made I don't know how much we want to say this is age related the preseason it would make sense for the Lakers to value this game more than the clippers and wind up winning and that only lasted for like ten minutes you know and then the it was two years ago that's pretty safe to say and I know that will get me lumped in with all the people who are overreacting on twitter at say Oh Lebron's washed up you want to leave room for that but within the broader conversation and the bigger scope quiet is just better it's just a matter of is going to be healthy how many games is he going to take off the point and incredibly confident and comfortable in his new environment I agree with you that was my takeaway from that that first game quiet just pounding people getting himself to the foul line the clippers hustle plays late Lebron looked a little bit tired to me by the end of transition moment Barkley goes you don't get to have the mantle of best player for your whole life it passes on Anthony Davis is going to have to be the best player on the you always want to account for just how devastating Lebron can be in a playoff series and with that level of focus and when he's really able to pick you apart as a passer and as a creator he's on the floor I mean we saw he he converts so many shots that are just impossible to guard that are that are so tough to take away at the same time he'll steal away nations I think to a certain degree he is the face of NBA commentary right I asked him yesterday Kawhi or Lebron he says I don't hesitate Hawaii Truth Serum he would say that's a robbery and I'm better and he's not wrong you know I like that's the exercise that we had to go through with the top one hundred and then I'm sure we'll be talking about Lakers if they're going to win the championship father time is undefeated when it hits it's a shocker you start to realize how hard the game is when you're twenty five or twenty six th I saw him will a good Toronto team to the championship they played Philadelphia and then Milwaukee in the playoffs and it's fair to say they were underdogs in both of those series but ad nauseam over the coming months between those two guys in Janas or whoever else you WANNA throw into that conversation but Kawhi is a better player than Lebron right now and it's it's tricky because watch right now it's remarkable to me how matter-of-factly you just declared that Kawhi Leonard is better than Lebron James I knew you were going there because I saw your top I know where the miles are at and when you just see him side by side with Kawhi who is seemingly healthy in his prime from a skill stamp the low drip of regaining control over the action getting to those tough shots at you're talking about the turnarounds in the paint the fadeaways in the corner why would not let them lose then I went on to say well you know Lebron James has been viewed as the best player for almost a decade I mean isn't this sort of like a tree at this stage is a better player than Lebron he does everything better he's a better defender a better score he's better at imposing his will on the game you just I'm still in this mentality where we've watched Lebron dominate for so long and flip the switch for so long and always have kind of come up his way interview from Lebron James when he's asked is this a robbery and he's trying to say no no no robbery talk we don't want to deal with this is you know these teams aren't where they're going to be and I think if we gave and you put him over Lebron being in the building on Tuesday night when Lebron came out like you know like he did I was like well this makes sense game is easy I knew it was time for me to retire when guys who couldn't play it all we're kicking my butt it's tough one of the things that makes you great is your ego and your pride ice keep hanging on because you think mentally you can still do it but you can't do it physically now obviously he's not writing Lebron off into the sunset here right he's not saying okay this guy is possible but he's thirty five and that was the part of what Barclays said that resonated with me was the idea that it becomes hard that everything just gets a little harder than it was at twenty five Ed but at least a decent team in terms of the supporting cast and the Lakers you let them get healthy you let them get into the season and we see kind of what they are April and May and maybe that's different words from Barclay does any part of you get a little bit of cognitive dissonance are you are you confused at all or like Kinda like thrown for a loop because still have to make this work and that that dynamic is going to be the one that I'm curious about and going to watching that will probably the most descendants in it for me look I agreed with a lot the better player and this is why I led with Charles Barkley off the top because here's what Charles Barkley had to say his voice to me carries a lot of weight in these kinds of conference for twenty seven and like you mentioned terms of just things like converting around the basket I quite the same level where we see the Lebron can still go up and get the Hammer Dunkin transition but we there's over but I think he's giving a straight dose of a harsh reality for what superstar level guys In this position have to go through when you see those grabs you know like playing with a short handed cavs team against the warriors a couple years ago doesn't really register in that way but you give him Anthony Davis you give him uh-huh Peter out in the playoffs with Anthony Davis has their best player I actually think if the Lakers are going to win the title Lebron definitely has to be their best player has to be kind of like that two thousand seventeen how `bout you well I think in Lebron's defense I do think we need to kind of wait on some of this and tool we get a chance to see him in a seven game series that's really up for ten percent this year where we still view him as a top five player but we don't view him as the best player in the game that starts to be a question and that starts to get into reef moments went both he and Anthony Davis were resting I mean it wasn't necessarily pretty so some of that for me is a little bit of skepticism and Anthony Davis some of it in were counting on him to sort of be that guy and you know you also see just in game one what they look like when he's off the court you know or what they look like in the finals vibe where he's just doing absolutely everything putting people on his back throughout the entire postseason and I think we're now in this situation where if his game is slipping even five or Lebron to quote Lebron needs a fucking playmaker like he needs help needs somebody who can take the ball who can dribble more than a couple of times like he needs ended up having a little bit of a lower ceiling then maybe their fans had hoped coming into this year well I think the benefit of having stars like Lebron like Anthony Davis the year in terms of understanding I am not the player I was I'm still great I'm still one of the best players in the League but I'm not the definitive leader of the league anymore and yet comfortable territory I think if you're a Lakers where you're really counting on him to be that guy the roster was constructed for him to be that guy the types of role players they sation but I mean Lebron I think is still really incredible and he's also about to turn thirty five years old and maybe he's going to have the best year ever for a thirty five year old I think that's Davis most of the time that you do have a lot of role players in that team you're going to be relying on who aren't gonna hit their shots every night who are GonNa do frustrating things and what that does to Lebron over the that to really just say hey that era's done were in a different chapter of Lebron career it is a little mind-bending still for me but I think he needs more help in getting to them and that's something that they did not have in this first game and some of that's the roster construction some of it's their injury situation but like playmaker right and do you think that they're trying to have Anthony Davis be that guy kind of a little bit or maybe that could be a direction that what Charles Barkley had to say on this subject thing I disagreed with though was this idea that Anthony Davis has to be their best player if they're going to win a title right I think we've seen where team is that he's used to and for a guy like Lebron the frustration that comes with that when you're playing on a team that is a little cramped for spacing because you're playing another center with Anthony Thank does have a chance to work do you see them going away or do they just need to go out and find somebody I think it can definitely work to an extent but again like if if you're going to whether you want Anthony Davis once they're in situations where they're not doing all these posts up trying to exploit mismatches like they did on game one where Davis is going to be sort of in that role as a temporary fix something happened because we know Lebron can do that and he can make things happen a lot of the time but there's always gonNA also going to be some turnovers there's going to be some issues with spacing or timing especially with the new team right but for a little bit of a slow start early couple you know silly turnovers with like a travelling in charge but then he really commits coming together and so you really just want somebody who can free him up to be a little bit a little bit more unencumbered as Lebron that's well said as part of his game but you really want someone who can even shift Lebron out of having to be the primary playmaker all the time and so to me is kind of a secondary guy you need a little bit more room if you're going to do that and I think ad has really progressed to the point where he can't pass out of some stuff he can handle the ball a little bit more than he used to I think he's really developed it is a little bit of trepidation about where Lebron sat in his career age wise and and skill wise right now But I do wonder if the Lakers are GonNa win but you want someone who can start possessions World Lebron can come off an action who can get a little more momentum going into his plays so he's not just like pounding the rock from the top of the floor every time trying to make really can't run that much pick and roll between your best players because whoever's guarded Dwight Howard Avail McGee is just GonNa send you over and be able to to stop it up a little bit clog up the lane really tricky to for a superstar kind of pick up and just take off running and so yes there's some stumbles initially but the clipper benches so good and gives him you know it's such a cushion assume that maybe his touches a little off on the layup on some of those drives where he just not converting in quite the same way that he used to he's not able to get the same separation of birth did you have any other takeaways from performance on Tuesday night on we're we're tending to focus here on the Lebron side of thing because I think it might be a little bit juicier this idea of the end of his reign if they go as a secondary playmaker I'm clearly he's not you know the point guard you know the typical like Kyrie Irving style guy but I wonder if is is any let's look at Lebron specifically given the stage of his career that he's in he can still take you over the top he can still make spectacular place he can still be there for those big moments mm synergy with teammates you just don't do them interplay because he is such an isolation player he is such like a one on one creator and he's so hard to stop in that context like he'll run pick and roll we'll do some some there's this weird thing with Kawhi where he's not quite as plugged into a team concept as someone like Lebron is or someone like Steph is in terms of the way his game free kind of contribution yeah it's a great point you know I was in my call about Lebron I tried to highlight some of their differences obviously personality differences hype differences does it seemed like their defensive intensity was already you know pretty much on point I didn't see any necessarily bad body language and of course they were super side of that is you drop them into the clippers and everything just kind of works like it took him a little time to kind of get his game going but in terms of the way everything was functioning for the team as a whole sneaker differences you know Lebron got clutch sports in is rep by his uncle I mean you go right down the list of all these things are different about those two guys Lebron having the hype normal stuff but you don't see him just kind of locked into a team system in any particular way and we even saw that I think with the raptors as their winning the title like this just kind of who he is and the ended with the win I mean beverly's always looking to talk trash and bounce around the court at the Lakers expanse and got to do that one more time but any other takeaways from the quayside Donkin was still sort of that the headlining figure kind of legend at that point of his career still getting the you know the dunkin' versus Lebron treatment but the one thing that these guys have in common completely at this stage of their career quiet Lebron is that when the ball in their hands all is go to them it did seem like kind of a seamless orientation for him with his teammates you know I didn't sense a lot of like oh there's not enough room for a guy like Lou Williams to do what he does through high school being much more under the radar coming into the NBA they weren't even head to head rivals and those finals that I mentioned earlier because you know to be a more prominent playmaker whether you WanNa keep posting him up with this frequency you gotta put him at center like you need to clear the decks a little bit because right now like you to regularly watch somebody else go to work but I just think there's that respect factor for his skill level and his ability to deliver where tough sometimes when you're dropping a high usage player like that into a new framework and it's his show and now he's the face of it that was an opportunity for attention who is going to work we're all GONNA stand here if he gets doubled he will make the right pass if he gets his shot he's probably GonNa make and we're all cool with I mean that's sort of the clippers vibe and we're all season long total agreement can't wait to see what's next alright rob let's shift gears here we got a great question from Rahul in they do it you know in terms of Lebron with the past with the methodical jumpers it's just a fascinating contrast and I do think it's going to be a huge story line for the nights where things are just a little bit off and then as we talked about earlier just able to convert so many difficult plays that I think it makes up for for any of the kind of gaps that you might otherwise you're in the NBA this year. Stephen Smith List is Kyrie Irving Number Five Ben Simmons Number Four James Harden Number Three Russell Westbrook number two Lebron James my hometown of Beaverton Oregon so thanks for sending this and he emailed open floor male edgy mill dot com open floor male edgy dot com and and everybody's cool with it you know like you're describing he plays a lot in isolation but it's not the kind of ball stopping that angers people right like there's just a trust level is like all right but something that struck me too is just like for for as good as that benches and we talk about like Liu and mantras lot and how good the pick and roll combination is but even just seeing Oh you know well I think everything seemed like where it was supposed to be like the players weren't the right places co I had a good sense of where and when they were going to be there how to get to shooters all that good stuff like it's little wild they're just there's so much depth that's deployed in different ways and I think that's what's really going to be the Clippers strength this year is you know we talk about versatility but just the waves after waves of who'll rights I'm writing today to address topic I heard being talked about by Stephen a Smith another you know legendary takes men he writes who are the five players with the most pressure it's still possible that they have to work things out once Georgia's back because he's GonNa want a lot of touches to and it gets difficult if you're a player as good as Paul George Atoms and they still have no success there is a lot of pressure on Paul George this year so playoff p got called out a little bit by Barclay in terms of delivering in the postseason. Well I'm glad you brought up Paul George I WanNa do a quick a quick audit of his recent playoff history because I've heard you andrew number one and Rahul wanted to add joe-marie a guy we talked about last week from European sports illustrated To that list as well now I not too far but also sorry Elizabeth Rod sorry I mean Lebron is the one who should apologize I'm just quoting okay well I'm with you though they do need the had a lot of success in the playoffs in Indiana people said he didn't have a lot of help but Indiana did just as well without him then Paul George goes to play with Russell Westbrook Stephen George Zach this game Leonard comes off the bench and you can just roll out Mohawk like a really good wing defender who now Lebron or whoever else is going to have to deal with them for in this one up rod because it's another Barclay Take Okay Barclay was going in a little bit on Paul George He says Look Paul George quote hasn't all eyes are on him just like all eyes have been on Lebron when he's been on a court for basically his entire career so that is a comparison point we could take away from Tuesday night at the waist thing playoff p deserves to be on this list of the the guys facing the most pressure But what about you rob is there anybody else who is facing an unusual amount of pressure this year it's a little bit of a stain on his reputation and then this year with injured shoulders averages twenty nine nine and four for the series I mean I get that we're talking about the eight nine and seven in that series pretty incredible performance all told again against a much better team I think the toughest out is probably the in games ultimately isn't able to get it done but it's going to that series with a pretty short handed team ultimately like Barkley described that in twenty seventeen runs against Lebron and the cavs puts up twenty the disconnect comes from this idea that he could be third in MVP voting and knock it out of the first round right and yes it's tougher in the western conference there's last year in the playoffs right I do think that in certain situations his efficiency has taken a little bit of a hit That was the case against Portland Way all season long about you know how they felt you know they were going to you know have you know take care of unfinished business I think it was the phrase that they were using right prince but it just seems like we have a player who were saying this guy's a legit all NBA talent he is playing pretty well in the playoffs usually that translates to winning series four years in a row in which he hasn't gone out of the first round and you're always gonNa take some heat for that but what more do we want Paul George to realistically do here well gets into his groove the crowd C- might they were behind him at times it was a great atmosphere kind of the fans going back and forth a little bit in the building Handley so I think I'm with Barclay on this one you know I think that he does have a lot to prove this year but I also think he's in a situation where he's not going to have to prove it I think he's in Blazers series I was saying Oklahoma is not going to get this done there's just no way and Portland's plane without their starting center there so heavily relying upon a couple of guards I just did not go according to plan at all and then I kind of felt like that series had a hangover effect almost in the Portland series where very early L. on playoff p a little bit I get where you're coming from but let's look at the last four years so starting with two thousand and sixteen great series by Paul George Against the raptors goes all George's elite perimeter defender who you expect to be able to kind of change a series you know from that perspective and they just got beat you know I'm pretty pretty cleanly pretty right and I think that Barclays got a certain point I mean they were definitely underdogs in a few of those series there's no question but I mean the Utah One I think this most recent loss stings a little bit because he did have that three pointer drained on his head and he did whine about it and they did just sort of carry themselves in a Certain Really Put playoff pee on the map against the jazz where he had a pretty okay series overall twenty five or six and three for that series but losing to the jazz in the way they did I think is what it's a very good point and it's an important point for ballots it's not like Paul George is out there putting up you know Bohdan Bogdonovich numbers for the to me like from your audit the results were l l l l four else right from the last four years hearing no I'm being a little bit facetious peak the attention to detail that's how I describe you I bring this up rob because yesterday I had the pleasure of spending a couple needs and maple like there's much pains me to say and I'm reluctant to say this but like Rajon Rondo coming back from injury might help that a little bit on on on on these two a very comfortable position heading into the playoffs where you know you've got Kawhi who's going to be an absolute killer he's done it multiple times and you know you've got a lot of it supporting pieces there where you're not going to have to do too much you're not going to have to carry that burden if you have an inefficient shooting night it's not GonNa tank your entire team and and basically think a player like Brook Lopez is incredibly valuable and he had some moments in the playoffs where he was stepping up hitting just crazy threes changing games if you have this this really upper tier level of superstar you're just not getting bounce in the first round pretty much regardless of matchup like those guys are just good enough to carry you pressure including a surprise entering this week on the entire Milwaukee Bucks Franchise after he told the Harvard researcher that it's GonNa make it a lot more difficult to stay in Milwaukee is needed a little bit more help in last year's playoffs there needed to be a very reliable second score and we know it's not gonna be Eric Bledsoe Malcolm Brogdon is not on the team anymore but when you get into those late game fourth quarter moments he's not creating so you need somebody just ride shotgun for Jaanus I think that leads us to Chris Middleton and as much as I've loved him over the years and I still do love him as a player that could work you know very well and in a million different team con all George's maybe in the next category of guys who are about as good as you can get otherwise about as balanced a game all around who can really be a great complimentary star for a guy like Cho is we'll see instead eastern conference final series there's a pretty good chance we're circling Middleton just saying they need a more from him will in a world where kind of the pervasive criticism of the bucks is Aiman is not good enough to win with this guy's second best player I think puts a bulls eye on his back in a big way especially given that we've just seen it given what we know he can do given player and lower in Middleton or at least neighborhood you know in terms of talent production impact to say that you know a team blank a blanket underwhelmed this year yeah I'm staying away from that one word quoting like syllabus like lectures okay come on let's we're digging deeper GonNa be good like I I just can't imagine a scenario short of injury where they really end up exiting the playoffs all that early and so I think some of the other guys around the league probably have a little bit more honest and the hardens and the CO is from a Galley George who was having an incredible season before his injury but kind of puts him in a different class of player and it to the point where that can player if your first player is just unstoppable if he just gets into that groove and I think that's sort of what Kerry Toronto and that could be the same path for Jaanus as well this year accent I think he's really good for Milwaukee and they had to pay him I've got my doubts you know if it comes down to Milwaukee versus Philadelphia and Philadelphia comes back but I I think that is kind of the rate framing for him and in terms of the pressure I do think it's kind of alleviated by having Koi there by just being in a position where the clippers I think are oh good the buck should be and how wide open the East frankly is I mean this this is going to be a big year for Chris Yeah I think the comparison there is it doesn't matter as much the quality of your we'll have now heard of him you know that was not necessarily the case two years ago second of all he's got to gigantic new contract and third of all we saw that that team with Chris Middleton has its second best player isn't a title contender isn't good enough to beat this team or that team I mean the raptors just won the title with Kyle lowry probably as their second best in his first season with some real stakes and a season where ask any of Lebron's teammates over the years when that guys on your team it puts pressure on you in a very different way your ass to account got his Donovan Mitchell and it's similar to rules pick of Jamal Murray I don't know if you saw Utah's debut it was a weird gay man Mike Conley just could not We will have to wait and see was there anybody else on your pressure list I agreed with Stephen a Smith obviously on on Russell Westbrook James Harden and to a lesser degree. I think Ben Simmons is a good one what about you did you have anybody else on your list the only other name that came up for me and someone we talked about a lot already is Anthony Davis just in terms of this a lot more than at any of your previous stops and so to see how Davis deals with this year and with all the limitations on the Lakers roster I think that's something worth watching to yeah for sure another guy of what could be coming for them and that sets up Mitchell to reclaim a little bit of the reputation maybe that he lost a in last year's postseason very clean looks with good ball movement and so to me I think it was kind of an ugly win for Utah over Oklahoma City but at the same time I think it was a hint here as a society let let let yawn breathe a little bit one guy I had on my list those Khris Middleton Man I think he's under the the crosshairs a little bit a couple of reasons first of all people moves going to the basket getting really clean pull up mid range shoppers in the crunch time and then when the ball is moving around the perimeter even though they weren't hitting their threes they were getting hit a shot I was really struggling and yet we saw the benefits of their off their off-season moves right off the top Donovan Mitchell is dancing in space he's just ride or die for his Guy Kyri and he stuck with open floor for months and months of hate listening so Tariq shout out to you man I appreciate this email he writes we gets from Tariq and Tariq is honestly I don't know why to wreak still listens because he is the world's biggest Kyrie Irving fan there is I really appreciate them honestly because st percent on free throws or finish at the rim so I think Tariq was really hoping to get off like a fifteen hundred word email calling me an idiot and going in and of our first fifty points score of the season and guess who it is Kyrie Irving in overtime a loss to the timber wolves on Wednesday night he says if only the nets could shoot you know fairly or unfairly I think he may be a little bit too much heat are rob let's move on here we've got another question related to opening we I dea that was tie game and he's in his head to head shootout with a guy like Karl Anthony towns and they're going back and forth because there's no Kevin durant but he's so good at manufacturing those shots I think he has so much room to do that in Brooklyn and whether that will translate to wins quite as often as a healthier team concept I think is certainly is big time standing on Kyrie but he didn't get the win so he couldn't do it too I totally understand that frustration rob what did you make of Kyrygyz coming out of the for debate but in terms of what you're getting out of Kyri this really might be kind of a Max out season from Kyri before we get Kevin Durant back in the mix next year so with all that being said think some of the differences between his context in Boston versus Brooklyn where if he has a performance like this I mean I'm sure the Celtics have been thrilled that he put up fifty but playing an an open minded open hearted embrace of Kyri and I just almost worry on their behalf a little bit and I also think you know in that situation if you're a minister operating in this way where he is this level of ball dominant and his low you know to be fair something that the nets asked of Diangelo Russel and Spencer Dinwiddie last year to where they're surround did you have a problem with how that game ended you know I'm probably more on the skeptic end of the of the KYRI spectrum than the alternative but even even I can't hang this gate with the fifty spot for the Brooklyn Nets and that's a pretty good pretty good welcome to New York moment it was a pretty unbelievable exhibition and just of all the things offense a little bit there and I thought that was a game frankly that Brooklyn should have won so we do have to mention that while we're also praising Kyrie's phenomenal game the Hallway Minnesota wins by one Andrew Wiggins manages to put up a minus twenty six in thirty six minutes he scores Twenty one points on twenty seven shots he registers zero assists no defensive stats no three pointers rob I mean did it end in perfect fashion with Kyrie spinning all over himself trying to get the isolation jumper of course he like somehow pose the ball out of nowhere to get a shot up and come the Kyrie show okay and they put out there before the game he had a very nice moment addressing the fans it's very clear to me that the nets fans on live online just completely really gives him a lot of latitude to do that kind of one on one game that he's so good at that really he's better at than almost anyone in the league maybe a couple of guys who can create a little bit more efficiently than him defense was excellent Kyrie was sort of his own worst enemy in terms of losing his balance on the spin move but I think he he kind of build out Minnesota's the shot almost went down I was a pretty remarkable save from Kyri but did we see the negatives of the Kyri experienced in Brooklyn here on the first night to where it's his maybe my biggest takeaway from opening week is that they have a new front office regime garrison Rosa's he didn't draft Andrew Wiggins he didn't trade for Andrew wiggins start the season speaking of that Minnesota game they'll rob I don't know if you saw just the incredible box score performance from a guy named Andrew wiggins obviously it was is it time that we just have a very frank conversation about Andrew Wiggins internally if you're the Minnesota symbols well I think the trouble of that if I'm remembering correctly so there's not necessarily major expectations or stakes it just has to be the Kyri show and everybody watches and and he gets to go ice isolation one and maybe it works maybe it doesn't ending pieces you know Joe Harris and Jarallah these guys are not like campaigning for touches they they know who they are they know what their role is in they need guys like to be a creator and racecar either all in on the Kyri experience and I just think there's GonNa be some ups announced guys like just brace for them it seems like they're opening with a very trusting and aim wasn't without its positive contributions but obviously it's pretty rough at this point I think the expectations have been fully recalibrated for wiggins externally and it's a matter of Ota and you've got your best perimeter defender Joshua Kogi on Kyrie mean you're never happy with the ball and Kyrie's hands as a defense because he dan do so many different things but you know the clock winding down you know he's GonNa shoot a jumper he's not gonNa try to get to the basket in that situation I think you're okay with how that played out I thought the it'd be more locked in there are some moments late night game where everyone else is going all out you know back and forth down the stretch lots of hustle plays lots of place where he's going to be more of a second unit guy or second unit score you have to be comfortable with those kinds of losses because he's just not his game doesn't lend itself to that when his shot is that a lot of that minus twenty six came when he was trying to carry some kind of lesser second unit situations and so if you're going to move him to the bench if you're gonNA put them in you know I I will say this for wiggins like he gave them some timely shots when they needed it at a time when they weren't getting a lot outside of towns in particular he had a couple of big offensive rebounds he's and to me at this point it's Jeff teague and whatever three and d wings you can throw around towns is the best group that you can put out there if you're Minnesota and I would include obviously on on him like he was great it wasn't a little bit funny I I there's a point to it for sure I mean it's just kind of stopped when I'm just looking for Michael Roster Building Lineup building perspective I hear what you're saying about you know are you exposing yourself to right off game but it was not a good performance and I think to me it's more about you have to get through to this guy at some point right he just needs to play harder he needs a big shots Kyrie's hidden crazy bronner's carol towns is answering on the other end so on and so forth and wiggins just kinda doing wiggins things you know floating at times in frustration ways we've seen Kerry do over the years the shot making the creation the handle all of that came through in a really a really interesting way obviously a really big way and it really did highlight to Covington as one of those three type guys so to me I would just start Okogie I would be playing him a lot more minutes I thought he had some nice tough times if he's in the second unit and he's not capable of carrying that group but I also just wonder if for the sake of Karl Anthony towns you just need to build the best five man group that you can build around him look I'm not trying to kill to hear you there I just think that they're better off if they don't mortgage their whole franchise to be two free throw attempts is it too early to say he needs to be moved to a bench is that am I overreacting because that was you know the wolves needed to fully understand kind of the player who he is and who is going to be an wiggins in particular understanding who he is and who is going to be I think you're right to be fair it wasn't a complete when he's not able to kind of get into his stuff which we've seen given the shots that he takes in the Diet that generally partake in he certainly susceptible to that and so then so be it but I think ultimately the wolves they can't treat Andrew Wiggins as if he's a second star they can't treat him like they're going to stagger him in towns minutes and that's going to be okay you need more going on because wiggins has shown that he's he's really not going to give it to you on a nightly basis in terms of like you're saying the hustle the investment the defense towns like he's so far and away the most important thing your franchise has going that everything should be conceptualized round hand moving wiggins to the bench for adjusting his role as part of that slowdown though are you sure that we still connect the bad boys Pistons or even the Mid-2000s Pistons with this group like to me stretches during last season he was a good fine for them they talk about him a lot as a big time worker and then I would say Andrew go when your job back I think you're you've and still have nobody care what is it about Andre Drummond that inspires such apathy in viewers of the NBA Rob you have any reached that stage of your career where you know yes you have the gigantic contract yes you have the hype from being a number one pig but it's more about resulted this point than it is about ape or reputation and you're not living up to it I mean I think there's definitely an argument for any team in Minnesota's position to do everything possible to maximize a player Oh this is a huge team that the national basketball audience will pay attention to again and the Pistons are not one of these teams they are team that historically has done well they've got some banners but in the present tense it's it's hard to get people I can say this as a writer to get people to read about the Pistons like there's obviously a certain number of fans who are pistons fans belly in franchises can get away with five or six years of being out of the playoffs like I think the Lakers are one of these teams who they could fall out and as soon as you know Golic Lebron comes back it's we love that kind of instant response feedback it just furthers the conversation so much Abul says how many players could score thirty two points and grabbed twenty three rebound as soon as they had the situation where they basically just like a walked out on their coach they had that mutiny remember that like six or seven years ago as soon as that happened it was like yeah I mean ultimately it's kind of something that even if it's not moving him to the bench I do think they have to be very frank over the course of the season with themselves and with awakens as to where he's going to be all right now you have forfeited all the banners from prior prior years of the franchise and now you're just as new group that we just do not have to take seriously well that's the thing is like theories there's a weird thing around the Pistons in general like the anonymity of that franchise not anonymity because they're obviously clearly well established franchise historically you know they had some some really great groups but ultimately in terms of like franchise intrigue they just don't rank very high and I think that you know a guy like drumming suffers from the and he's going to take X. number of kind of bad shots a game regardless of what you want your team to do otherwise it puts them in a tricky spot because they don't have a lot of alternatives but before globe comes through with the e mails when they're watching games they just finished watching a game they'll they might tell us hey I was arguing with my friend about this text messages or I was in the bar and I heard some idiot say this we've got another great opening question from Abdul who emailed us open floor male edgy mecom open floor male Edgy Ma Dot com and Robert makes me so happy when the although to be fair I think part of the problem here too is that Drummond is a guy who puts a huge box score numbers he is a guy who who can have these kinds of nights and yet we still see on underrated at this point but I also think that when you see a lot of the teams around the League going four out of five out there's just a lot of rebounds for big ice tea that is putting up some numbers that in a certain sense are have some empty calories involved yeah

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Hour 1 - Andy Katz (06-19-19)

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Hour 1 - Andy Katz (06-19-19)

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Restrictions apply out at participating efficient Robert until visit mentioned from dot com slash sale casting from the Mercedes men K fritzy celebrating in the bathroom. Paint when he just did this. Oh, welcome to the program already in progress. Just chatting with the danettes about a variety of things, including what constitutes a bust, or somebody who was just disappointing. We'll talk about that coming up. Got a poll question stat of the day play of the day. Andy catch from NBA TV will look at the draft. And why is Darius garland out of Vanderbilt moving up rapidly here had he played last year. I think he played five games at vandy could he have been the best point guard in this draft instead of John Mirant? And what are the Knicks doing? Yes, mclovin, wait. Are you telling me there's some kid who played five games at Vanderbilt? Yeah. That NBA feeder Vanderbilt and all of a sudden the best player I just pulled up the highlights of watch him not the best player. I'm saying is he the best point guard. He's he had the self-proclamation. He's the best point guard in this draft. And how do you end up at Vanderbilt for basketball? I just don't get it. I don't get the path year. Djalmir rant went to Murray state. Right. But that's more like at least like you understand he was passed over by the big schools. This guy was probably recruited in. I just think he might have been passed over as well. Well, isn't it? Weird though. The see a top five pick out of Vanderbilt. I don't know why it's Rex music. When is the last time vandy had a top five pick? Nine thousand nine hundred never. I mean, I can't think that they've ever had won. The buried Gohain era. I remember that he could Jack. Yeah. But he he's, he's area Sungai gala he but he was like a late first round. I can't remember grateful was Jeff Turner who. Yeah. Didn't he play on an Olympic team played in Orlando? But I wrote a dairy son Gila was Wake Forest? It's okay. That's not bad force Vanderbilt. You mix them up Vanderbilt dominates the baseball draft. Yeah, they do. But that doesn't help us today. Mclovin, maybe you could check and see if Jeff Turner was a top five pick their hired Jay color was a good baller. Jay Cutler, good athlete. Good athlete. All right. Like I said, we're already in progress here. Our one phone number eight seven seven three DP show Email address, GPS, Dan, Patrick dot com Twitter handle at DP show. Good morning. Good morning to direct TV's audience that were channel two thirty nine in B. Our live dot com and our three hundred and sixty. Radio Phillies around the country. Yes. Paul in the history of Vanderbilt basketball, there have been eight players taken in the first round of the draft. Jeff Turner, nineteen Eighty-four is taking seventeenth. Okay. I didn't ice NBA career will produce take an eleventh overall. Okay. Well, will the thrill CLYDE Lee hu? I'm not familiar with nineteen sixty six was the third overall pick in the draft was taken by the warrior. That's right. And. All right. Not a bus. Maybe just a tall guy, CLYDE lied, good name. All right. If you weren't aware of the NBA draft is tomorrow, and if you weren't aware you're not alone, kinda snuck up on us because the finals went a little bit longer. We've been dealing with all the drama with free agency potential free agency the injuries during the finals what's going to happen with the Lakers that they adding another player, what's happening with the Celtics. What's happening with the Knicks what's happening with Kawhi and Zion has gotten all the attention here. Then it feels like it's a top happy heavy draft with John Moran and RJ Barrett. And then you have a lot of question marks in there, but the NBA draft isn't what it used to big because they would stay for three or four years. You've got to know these players now with the one in done. It's rare for a player who comes out, who is ready to go. Zion will be the exception, not the rule. But the draft is still a lot of fun. There's always hope that your team can find a diamond in the rough. I mean look back on the draft with the quiet Leonard with the Spurs of the Greek freak with the bucks. And if you don't have a team or you don't really care about the draft. You can only judge their outfits on Twitter, just like everybody else does. All right. Mclovin got a poll question for me today? Let's start with if I gave you and I'm gonna give you say five to one. Odds would you bet a week's pay Gozitan John Morand RJ Barrett. Are you are you think the audience is one hundred percent confident and yeah, probably, so I don't know what the Knicks are going to do. I think the Knicks are giving at least an indication that they may not go as scripted. And then if you're one of these other teams, you know, the hawks tried to move up, I think they were offering eight and ten to go up to three and the Knicks that no, no. Thank you. And but I don't know if somebody there's an outlier who goes, hey, you know what? Or if you look at what the pelicans do at four. Are they gonna package that with somebody and what happens if garland is there for them at four and they've already got a point guard in Lonzo ball? Would you be packaging? Lonzo ball and four and sending him to. Let's say Washington for Bradley Beal. I mean, I'm just there's a lot of talk out there of possibilities here. These aren't rumors. You know it's not I'm hearing. It's there's possibilities of what could happen here. If you look at the scenarios. And it feels like somebody's gonna do something either today or tomorrow that might shake up the draft a little bit. You know what's happening with the rockets because we had, Daryl Morey on yesterday about this time. And he said, hey, what they're no issues there. Chris Paul's untouchable. I said, wait, if the Lakers, call Chris Paul's untouchable. Okay. Then there was a report report on Bleacher report yesterday, that unsalvageable, I believe is the term used for that relationship with Chris Paul and James harden. That sounds like he might be touchable. I'm guessing. But, you know, here's the here's the reality oven, nobody wants that contract. And I don't care if you don't get along. How about I mean, Shaq and Kobe didn't get along? But you just play to win. You got some titles there. And Chris Paul can all of a sudden go man that guy dribbles a lot. He shoots a lot. Chris got to understand James harden, is a phenomenon and one of the top three four or five players in the game. Chris Paul is not any longer and his job is to be a complimentary player, and it would help if he stayed healthy. Because Chris Paul was not healthy last year and James harden, went off in carried this team almost singlehandedly. He wouldn't a month where he scorned thirty at night. And now maybe they don't get along. Do I like the style do? I think you can win with that. No, I don't I think it's really difficult because what I saw in the playoffs as you crowd, the three point line with the rockets and it feels like you can beat the rockets and James Harden's wonderful the James Harden's a wonderful regular season player. James harden, has not been great postseason player. But Chris Paul has got to understand. What are we who are we? How do I help us instead of I mean, if he wants out if you said to Daryl Morey right now, you can get rid of Chris Paul, and send him to the Knicks? Let's just say the Knicks and doesn't it seem like that would be a Nixon move where they go. Yeah. We got Chris Paul, like five years to. Late someone expensive in aging. Yes. And then you get him and you get but in return because you got to get something in return if you're Houston. But if you do that, and they're willing to take that salary off your hand. It's the worst contract in basketball right now. Chris Paul's contracts, worst, one in in basketball, and I you're gonna probably say. With the, the wizards John wall. John wall is still young enough to salvage that contract. It's a bad deal. But and here's another thing that NBA fans have to get past. Al Horford, just turned down thirty million dollars a year. Yeah. Let that sink in Harrison Barnes, just turned down twenty five million dollars a year, but they're not superstars but that's the going rate. All of a sudden, the price of poker. Just went up. It's like quarterbacks is Dak Prescott a thirty million dollar quarterback. No. But that's the going rate in these players. Now, they're making thirty and forty million dollars. But those are the that's the money that's available and you have to spend it. No. It's not gonna last forever. Not this kind of money. I mean Al Horford is gonna he's thirty three and he's going to get one hundred million dollars over the next three years. Yeah he is. He's going to sign a three year deal. Maybe he gets four. Al Horford is going to get three for a hundred million dollars me look at Chris Paul salary here and you get caught up in it, and you go only God, he's not worth that. Well, you have to look at it and say, by comparison of what they're doing how many people are getting paid. You gotta pay somebody, and, you know, Allen crab is getting, you know, eighteen why is it always come back to Alan crab here? Harrison Barnes may take the title away from hair Allen, crap. Harrison Barnes is averaging eleven and five somewhere around there eleven five. I mean, that is a serviceable NBA player. That's not even a threatening NBA player for sac town. And he's he wants more than twenty five million to remember the scale we had last year your points in your next best stat should equal your contract. Like eleven and five means Harrison Barnes should be worth about seventeen sixty million. We were adding up your points rebounds in assist. I believe in. And if you're, if you're millions per year are more than that, then you should get a reduction Harrison's flirting with a triple single for his yearly averages. He's not great eleven and five so that's sixteen. How many assists did he average two point two eight point yet, so sixty so maybe nineteen million for Harrison Barnes. If only I didn't have that knee injury. Man, I could be maybe a sharp shooter in the NBA you could probably get three years. Twenty one. Don't play a lot of defense. But nobody does. Oh, hey. But on ball defender, I'm just like James harden. I'm on on on ball defender. Yeah. I've got a question going back to that Houston Rockets article. Yeah. The, the article said that the relationship Chris Paul and James harden was unsalvageable salvageable, which means it's done. It's over. They can't work together anymore. New, that's what the article said, Daryl, Morey and everyone at the rockets that everything is fine. It's gotta be somewhere in between because either that if someone's completely lying to us the reporter is completely lying or the rockets are completely lying, because this is an extreme story. Once I said, no problems whatsoever. The other side said they don't even speak deal with each other. I think this comes down to, they have a horrible contract with Chris Paul. He may not be happy there in James harden, may get tired of just listening to Chris Paul chirp all the time. But Daryl Morey, I don't think you can say you know what we got to get rid of Chris Paul. Because now all of a sudden, if you know, your vultures out there kind of going, okay, what's the what's that going to cost us? Probably not much. Because you can't keep that on the roster. James harden doesn't want him. You don't want to devalue him in the media. Do I think that everybody is available on that roster including Chris Paul? Except for James are absolutely. Absolutely, Daryl Morey is a smart guy. And I don't think you close up shop and say, no, we're going to. We're going to close the windows here closed. The doors pull down the shades now. We're not open for business here. You're the rocket. Now. Would I do anything drastic here, I would not because your team should be the favorites or at least one of the two favorites right now in the west because you have a roster, you have more players than, you know, the Lakers, do and Golden State is not your nemesis now that's always been what you geared up for. We had to beat Golden State. Now, you don't have to worry about Golden State, now, you're going to have to worry about the Lakers and Denver and Portland, Oklahoma City. But if, if you feel like you got two more years with Chris Paul, you'll suck up that last year, but Chris Paul has to fall in line with James harden, because it's James Harden's team not Chris Paul's, and that's, that's the bigger issue here. But I. Think those guys are available. Clint capello. He's available. Now, what are you getting for these guys? I don't know. But it feels like the rockets are open for business and as much as all believe, Daryl Morey when he says that Chris Paul is not going to be traded. I don't think he's going to come out and say, yeah, you know, there's a chance he could be traded. I'm gonna go back to what Adrian Wootton around gave reported everybody on the roster was available except for James harden to which Daryl Morey cold Adrian roads around ski and I think validate that. I'm going to I'm going to stay with that because I think that that's probably the true sentiment here. Although Daryl more, he doesn't wanna come out and say, yeah. You can have Chris Paul, you can. Just what are you willing to give us you don't have to give us much? Just take this salary off our hands here. Mclovin. What's the poll quite have another one, weird one? Okay. Would you rather have the number one picking this year's draft or I'll give you any free agent to build around, so you can have Diane, or you can build around collider K D? It's up to you. So I could. Your franchise with no one on it. You get to start building around anyone you want. Okay. Zion Williamson more Colli, or Katie. And I think our audience would surprise you and go with Zion. Because there's no excitement with Kawhi. Katie's hurt. Yeah. Okay. How old is co is he twenty eight? Let sound about right. Yeah. Pulling everybody wants the unknown over the known everyone wants. Everyone thinks. Zayn. I would be he would have a great career. If it's like y Leonard's career, a great that'd be a great career for him till I turned twenty eight next week by the way. Okay. Well, John, I don't think is going to have the numbers that Kowa has and what he's going to have far more excitement than co. Why? And that's why when you look at Zion Williamson, there's a chance he could not be a bust unless he got injured but he could be a disappointment. I really think there's a, a great chance. Zion Williamson could be disappointment from the standpoint of what the expectation levels are not a bust completely different categories. And we'll talk about this, the difference between being a disappointment and being a bust because there have been players taken number one overall who weren't bused. They were just disappointments. They didn't play up to what you thought. And nobody has come in, except for LeBron probably luau cinder, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar where they had this kind of expectation level we. Didn't know what Kobe was check wasn't the best player on his own college team. Kobe struggled his first year cagey, we thought plays really athletic has his seven footer. But this was LeBron, the covers Sports Illustrated, and luau cinder was one of the more famous people in the United States coming out from New York City and power memorial when he went to UCLA, and then he came out of UCLA, and everybody had the expectation level of this guy lost, what two games in his entire college career won three national titles, would have won four if they allowed him to play the freshman. And when he came in, you know, he was he was great right away. Lebron was great right away. I don't know what zion's going to be. But I do know that those expectation levels are going to be high extremely high, and perhaps even higher than LeBron James. Yes, mclovin Kenny hide a little bit in New Orleans team that before him wasn't on TV. We're not gonna let him hide. Yeah. Because we. We're gonna wanna see him play. And whereas before, like Anthony Davis was hiding in New Orleans, not that he wanted to, but he was hiding because nobody was saying gotta see Anthony Davis, the TV executives didn't go. I gotta get New Orleans again this week. Nobody was calling for it, but Zion they'll be calling for it. Yes. But I always got the impression that somebody like Anthony Davis, a number one overall pick who believes he's a superstar didn't want to hide. He wants to be in a bigger market, where he gets more attention. Like to me, it was the market's fault that if I wasn't stuck in this market, I would be a bigger deal, but we're going to, you know, we're going to find that out. But what I'm saying is the TV executives didn't Anthony Davis is not exciting. Really, there's nothing exciting about him wonderful player not exciting. Therefore, you know, TNT in the mothership weren't gonna show you New Orleans games, but Zion. Zion doesn't have that luxury of maybe easing into his rookie season. 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This is about entertaining your fan base. And if you're going to do that in new, and you need this in New Orleans, because Anthony Davis may turn out to be a better player than Zion Williamson. And if Zion can put up the numbers that Anthony Davis has put up when he's healthy. I think you'd be thrilled with that. And there's no guarantee that, but what he gives you. He may not give you numbers as much as he'll give you highlights and then this highlight driven world, that's where people are going to tune in to watch you. Yes poll. So if you had a five year contract, you give it design Williamson, over quiet, Leonard is, is that what you're saying, but I'm also getting Zion at five years as a rookie and Colli five years at the max and but five years of ashore, thing in Coalisland, I would take Zion for five now at his salary instead of Colli at, you know, at. His age and his talent level and his pedigree. I, I know what you're saying the marketing and the excitement. But Zion Williamson at will not be a great NBA player for at least three years, even if all goes. Well, if all goes well, three years from now Kalis got a little injury history. Maybe that could factor in okay? Is anybody taking who's taking Zion with me as a fan? I'm taking. Okay. If I so I got Zion at a rookie deal and you got choline clydes gonna cost you a couple of hundred million dollars well-spent though. I believe it'd be well spent because as mine, maybe well-spent Zion William, so we don't know what don't be as a player. I know I know quite Leonard is at least the top five players on earth. For the next couple of years. Not gonna tune into one game with Colli Leonard, you're not going to sell extra tick, and the clippers might the raptors abet did pretty well this year with of rain rafters do. Well anyway, right? But what I'm saying is I don't know if the team is winning and winning sixty games. I think the fans will show up and watch locally. I'm not worried about the rest of the league. I'd be worried about my team. Yes. He isn't there some value, though, to learning how to win this year, co I learned how to win. Right. So you and I feel like that's a part of a player's development but he had one before. Right. That's true. They wanted San Antonio. This year. It was on his back though. Was it that year in San Antonio not necessarily because I think you could argue was even the best player on his team when he was the most outstanding player in the NBA finals, it sort of the focal point though. And into lead a team. Yeah. Maybe there's a better way to say that it's a better way. Yeah. Andy Katz NBA draft analyst, is joining us NBA TV. They have the expanded draft night coverage along with Tom Penn. Steve smith. Brendan Hayward they'll be getting ready to get started Thursday at seven eastern. NBA TV Andy joins us. Now. What do you make that discussion? We just had their Andy. I was only let me jump in Dan and the Grinch, hinder voice be on with you again. Here's the deal, Zayn Williamson is a personality, and he embraces it, and he is going to be a marketing. Just I think the marketing icon of this group over the next couple of years. And so if I'm the war wins. I'm coveting a player like this and nothing against Anthony Davis because we are, you know, we started to see him more and advertisements and things like that was nine Williamson has a magnetic smile, people are drawn to him. And so for franchise like New Orleans that, you know, that, like the Lakers, you don't need that as much there, because with so much about the Lakers in LA, and all that, but for New Orleans, you need someone and people are going to gravitate to and nine Williamson will do that. There isn't like I thought it was ridiculous at any point during the regular. Season. When people were debating if there was going to be someone else because no owner would turn him down, because he's good for people in the see he's going to be greatly community. They'll do all the ads you need were you. And just I think that he's the guy that you want. That's your franchise now is he gonna help you win more than quite Leonard? No. But, you know, for what that Fanshawe's needs right now, in terms of the tension, and everything else that comes with that he's the right fit. Is there a chance, Jaama rant and, or, or j Barrett will be recognized as better than Zion Williamson in ten years? Five years. Yes, no question about it. And like that's the thing where I was at the lottery. And, you know, the groaning that you can hear Chicago from New York about not getting number one. Well, yes star values I will deliver that, you know, Madison Square Garden. But RJ buried people forget, he was the number one pick new projected number one before that Kentucky game in November, so New York, still getting a number one talent John rant. You know. Yes. He was sort of came lately, in terms of this position. But anyone who wants the season, you saw what he did against Marquette with a triple double? He has the potential to deliver kinda like what Damian Lillard did purport one where people didn't know who he was. And he comes out and he's got a teams you know, years later, that's got a chance to get to the, the, the finals in a lobby ridge, the Western Conference finals, but John Moran, no can can potentially do something like that, for franchise like Memphis and be that kind of transit, you know, transcend all excuse me Jones this'll player. That can help the franchise. Get over the hump for you know, years from now. Where does the draft begin to go off the rails tomorrow night? Well, right at four because while we had years before with a consensus one in between this year, and LeBron you can go to Anthony Davis. John wall Blake Griffin. You know there have been other players. But I think we could say unequivocally we're the number Jones, Dirk rose when he was going to Chicago. So I'd say those four between LeBron and vine Williamson, but I don't know. I don't remember year. We know unequivocally where we knew unequivocally once you three like we do tomorrow night, but at four now the Lakers, stick going to New Orleans and New Orleans keep it. That's wherever they really starts because it could be jar Colver. It could be the underneath hunter could be Kobe white area Starling, you know, any one of those guys could be there could be on the move, and everything after that is going to have to react quickly within that five minute window to to go off of that because I don't think that any of these teams unequivocally. We know exactly who's gonna be there spot. If he was going to be a lot of movement four on down. Yeah, I'm curious. We're talking handicaps NBA NBA draft analyst, and I look at the pelicans had four and who covets that spot if they wanna get garland, the point guard out of Vanderbilt, by the way, it, you know, we, we have this, all the time usually in football, where there's somebody or a couple of players that all of a sudden, somebody was look out here. They come. And then they start moving up what exactly garland just got healthy, I guess, since he didn't play that much. It's almost like he became more coveted because there's mystery surrounding him. We weren't quite sure exactly who he is or what he is. But he's not lacking confidence. He said he's the best point guard in the draft. What do you make this meteoric rise with his kid? Well, I think you have to wait and see. I mean first of all, had he played Vanderbilt would have been nineteen in the SEC. I don't know if they would have been a tournament team, but they certainly would have been Akina people to talk about more. We would've seen much more them now. You can be critical and I think it's a fair thing that he's been bolted and did his own thing, and wanted to make sure huge healthy for this moment for the draft. You know, we can look at players like even vying who came back from his injury, or PG, Washington who still plays them at tournament when he didn't know if he was going to play when he got her now you could say much later in the season, you can't really fail on your team that late when you're into the tournament, but dairy Starling he was included Vanderbilt and he got hurt and decide, you know what I'm now only gonna take care of myself, and then he leaves. So then he does that and he sort of outta sight, outta mind. He was obviously one of the best point guards coming into the year. And now he says an an and I interviewed him as low in Chicago, and yes, he thinks he's the best point garden, while he thinks that he should be higher than John ran. I don't think you will be. But you know if the ends of going at number four and whether stains are get shipped that would be like rise. And we'd have to just wait and see if. You know, he was correct on baking on himself, and taking himself sort of out of action and just sort of doing his own thing, over the last five months. Yeah, but you have a team that already has a point guard. They already have a back court in New Orleans, and garlands. There feels like New Orleans is going to offer up that pick for somebody would that be on? That's why. Yeah. No, you're right. But that's why we heard talking of the foregoing for the eight and ten with the Lanta, and that would make that would not make sense if they selected garland. That's Ray because you're trae young in Atlanta. So if he goes spore, then I I do think he's on the move. But maybe somewhere else, I think that New Orleans has a great shock to get someone of value, if they don't take him, and where to take Jerry Culver orgy Andrei hunter. What I love about those guys is the embraced defense they love to defend and so they got a skill that immediately can transferred to the NBA and going in as a rookie. They're not gonna complain or anything like that. They want to defend their offensive games about better and better throughout their careers in the instable a and will only get better Colbert, you know, first, two years, I player, Texas score, but. Thousand points, sometimes disappeared, but he was a timely shooter, the typically always look that way, but he made the right shot and hunter, everyone. Remember he did not play against UNBC. He was hurt and he healthy this past year. And I'm nothing. That's be reason, but they win the national championships. So he's got tremendous value. I think that's a better pick to go if you certainly New Orleans, keep the pick, I think they should go either Culver hunter is there a chance. John Morand is better more talented than Zion Williamson. Well, I mean the difference. So could he have more staying power and be like Lillard? Sure, you know, you certainly could do that and could Williamson ultimately, you know, not not be the dominant player that you can college. Of course you could. I mean basically played volleyball because he could in college basketball. I mean he just was three athletically, that no one could defend in all gonna stand in front of until maybe ran into taco fall. If you're not gonna, you know, so that was sort of the anomaly, and that that's not gonna happen in the NBA because it's much more physical there's much more size. So someone like John, rand can get around that he can fly over people. And yeah, I mean, I think there's a chance that we could be talking more about him years from now, but I still say the time Williamson has the personality and maybe jumper it will grow into it because. He's not as much of an extrovert, but he's really started to embrace it because, you know, he was not overly recruited. He had the he's got that ship that edge because he went to a place like Murray, and had to prove himself. And when I've interviewed him, I sense of a young man was starting to find himself starting to feel more comfortable in the public space. Whereas I am has been in that arena for quite some time. So I think jock could evolve into that kind of player that because much more of a face of the franchise and one of the faces of the NBA, I'll leave you with this, the disapp- there's disappointment, and then there's bust now busters extreme like Anthony Bennett would be a bust Marquel Foltz right now is a bust, Greg Oden, because he got injured, I guess is the bus Kwami Brown was a bust, Michael, all of a candy might be more of a disappointment than a bust, but how high up in the draft like at what point can you not become a bust because. As you got drafted at six or seven. Like Boston's usually one or two, isn't it? Yeah. I mean, you're forgetting one of the all time Boston Darko Milicic. So at number two, yeah. Yeah. Number killing what happened about drafting or three? So, yeah, I mean, for me, it's gotta be somewhere in that top five after that, especially now when the so many young players, you know, it's hard to dean someone a bus and, you know, there's a lot of chatter about whether, you know, Cam radish, will eat pan out and, and said this, I think he's sort of like the fifth Beatle. The guy that got lost in the shuffle among all the other players, because he's not very outspoken and didn't sort of seek that kind of limelight and was not as much in the inner circle, buddy group as I an RJ, but if he goes, you know, somewhere in the seven to ten range, it's not he doesn't pan out. I don't know if that's fair to say that he didn't work out and was a bus because he. Didn't end up going out and the top three. Now if if all this time with John Marin, and he completely, you know, flames out, then yes, then that would be a fair assessment. But the on I'd say four or five, I don't know if that's their and too good to talk to. You have fun tomorrow night, and during free agency. We appreciate your time as always, aren't they that's Andy Katz? NBA draft analyst and NBA TV's expanded draft night coverage. So Tom Penn, Steve Smith. Brendan Hayward and others Thursday at seven eastern. NBA TV also offering thirty hours of around the clock NBA free agency, coverage beginning Thursday, June twenty seven and continuing daily through Thursday, July fourth. Got our play of the day, coming up right after this, in the Dan Patrick show podcast, one presents the GD podcast with Rick Fox jas hall, and Todd ROY, log on to see the world behind the east sports you love. And find out what good game really means from the. Trio, who's taken the business by storm, or p literally goes I agree with Rick and she played. Gosh, she's a gap or download new episodes of the GDP podcast every week on apple podcasts and podcast. One. Stay tuned for sixty seconds of av news headlines right after this podcast. God play of the day. Check this out. I ball and a deep left field. Trevor turns and looks and it's. Halo have minute is Genesis two run Bob, and it's three two one White Sox. So this was a cubs prospect, that they traded away to the White Sox and Jimenez, gets a home. Run game. Two of the two game series tonight at Wrigley. A little earth wind and fire. Let's groove tonight underrated band. I think, oh, yes. I saw earth wind and fire back in the seventies. That's your wheelhouse. Right. DJ time. No, no, no. Late. Seventies, but we wouldn't have played earth wind and fire because I was in an album rock station. Yeah. AOR album oriented rock. What paulie but you saw them in concert. Yes. I did Cincinnati. Yes. I saw them in Kentucky. Did you have a date? No. Sorry. It's kind of I thought that'd be a good day concert. I know I went two years in eastern, Kentucky. Man, I thought I was looking pretty good. I went two years. And I had very little interest from anybody is it but you're on the basketball. Yeah, I, but I had acne, I'd long hair, I've laid about one hundred sixty pounds. I six three one sixty. I don't know. Just didn't have the magic when I thought it with the jumper. Like that's all you needed. It just not many women were coming out for the junior varsity game junior varsity spillover. No, no. I didn't we didn't have any junior varsity spillover there. And I don't even think we didn't even have cheerleaders. So now. No, no, no, no, no. Well, we had nothing. Cheer about. So why have cheerleaders if you have nothing to cheer about play the day brought to you by the great folks at truecar they show you what other people paid for the car you one record is a good price. When you're ready to buy a new or used car, visit truecar enjoy more confident car buying experience. Let me see here. Saw this. This was on the ringer and the ringer said with the headline, which star should the Lakers signed to round out their big three. Here are the big three that they're talking about. Kyrie Irving would not be a great pick for me ball dominant. I don't want Kyrie Irving, if I would be on the Lakers, if I'm Kyle coups million thirty Davis, LeBron James Kemba Walker love Cambe ball, dominant wouldn't want him as my backward guy, and then the other one is coined Leonard. Well, if you could get coli because he doesn't have to be ball dominant, then yeah, that would be a great pickup, but you're not getting quite Leonard. Yes, Boeing, I think I'd bet a week's pay too. Quiet leonard's. Not even considering the Lakers. Why would a guy like that who's, who's an alpha now and does it his way and manage his own minutes? And. Carry the team to a title with some help be the not the third option. But kinda I don't know a trio, but why does why does anybody wanna help LeBron James if you're one of his peers, right, like Kevin Durant, doesn't wanna help LeBron James be greater than in collider's at wanted quite thinks he's every bit what LeBron is right? And quiet his first third of his career. He was the third fiddle. He was a very good player, but here is like sixteen and seven at twenty three years old. He was not a superstar but he's become a twenty five point game guy. He could be like that's years ago. And let's see what happened. Imagine if he would in, I know this a long shot right now. But if he would lead the clippers to title, he would be doing something that. I know mclovin, you're laughing there. I just it just sounds funny. Right. I know but, but just imagine because you have LeBron who's given credit for what he did in Cleveland. He went to Miami, and he needed help there. Right. And then we talk about feed lead the Lakers to a title boy. That's something that Michael Jordan, never did. Okay. But you know Mike didn't play for other teams. He played for Washington late in his career. But if that would be something that Koiwa do lead Toronto to one. He won one in San Antonio. And you lead the clippers to one. Then all of a sudden you start looking at a bigger picture here of Colli Leonard's greatness, because quiet never going to be about his numbers in. Here's another thing with the clippers. If let's say Hawaii goes there is he gonna play sixty games sixty five games is load management, going to be an issue, here is load management going to be an issue with LeBron is load, load management going to be an issue with some of these other players, kyri Irving. Because I really think that that's going to be this nasty little secret here of. Hey, I'm only playing this many games. Yeah. Point, and don't have the clippers feel like the perfect place because they don't have an alpha player. They've got a bunch of b plus players. There's strewn with be plus player and over. They did. They didn't. They almost win fifty games this year. They were nice team kind of a surprise team. But Patrick Beverley Lou Williams gala Nari, all those other guys. They're not taking the ball from him. They probably happy to have him as being the folklore. Yeah. I don't know if Beverly is going to be there. They could lose him, by the way, if you missed any of our celebrity interviews this week from the Mercedes AM G, man cave, go to the Dan Patrick show app where you can watch and listen from inside the Mercedes G man cave, Mercedes aim driving performance. Jay Bilas will join us in the final hour of the show. Jay this morning, tweeted out something. And you know, this always hits home for me because I covered the draft with nineteen eighty six and when I was at CNN I covered that draft. It was on this day in nineteen Eighty-six Len bias died and Jay Bilas tweeted this out. He was one of the greatest players I had ever seen. Simply amazing superman on the floor. I don't know what Len buys. I know that people will probably do this comparison, and it might be doing a disservice to lend bias. But before Zion Williamson, there was Len bias. I mean Lenny was a wonderful player at Maryland, and he was a high flier. He he was a more polished player, but he played, I think three or four years at Maryland, and then died of a cocaine overdose. But Lenny bias going to the Celtics and going at that time. So the Celtics had just won the title, I believe. In you had they had Reggie Lewis who've who died as well and Lenny, who die, those players with bird, Mikhail, and perish in age and they could've kept the dynasty going because nobody would have if they had bias there and you could have allowed bird and Mikhail perish to age little more gracefully who knows what would happen with Boston. But Lennie Lennie had, I think it all white suit on that day, a white pinstripe suit that day at the draft, but I remember being there and I remember where I was when I heard that he died. It was in Brooklyn at a hardware store. It was in the morning and the guy had a little transistor radio on. And then I knew I had to go to work because I was off that day and called my producer and I sit already Lenny bias died, and he was like, why would you say that I said, he, he died cocaine overdose, and then we had to? Go to work. I one hour and the books two more to go got our poll question, which is brought to you by man versus food on cooking channel interesting results at all. Mclovin, they're closer than you might think Hawaiian who do you got for the next five years, fifty three percent. Why? Right. Prepare to get stunned Steve Austin show is back and better than ever been kicking his ass kicked out of the piledriver. You wish time to go home with new exciting episodes, featuring tales from his new life. Unbelievable past interviews and talks to pro wrestling Powell's, you name it Steve's on it your download new episodes of the Steve Austin show every week on apple podcasts and podcasts wanted. Suck -nology truth brought to you by Geico. Truth. 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