9 Burst results for "Patricia Ramsey"
"patricia ramsey" Discussed on 20/20
"Back to atlanta burial. On new year's eve jonbenet was laid to rest just outside of atlanta georgia. The services in loving memory. Jon benet patricia ramsey refer back to atlanta to bury shamanee atlanta atlanta. Be where my older sister better is buried we give. Thanks today for jon. Benet for the love that she had for her parents. I want to go back to the funeral..
"patricia ramsey" Discussed on OWL Once Was Lost Podcast
"Two gentlemen watching over your daughter. Do not particularly like you so I advise you not to provoke them speaking to anyone about your situation such as police or FBI will result in your daughter being dead. Added if we catch you talking to a stray dog. She dies if you alert Bank Authorities, she dies if the money is in any way marked or tampered with she dies, you will be scanned project Raonic devices and if any are found she dies, you can try to get to deceive us but be warned we are familiar with law enforcement countermeasures and tactics you stand in ninety-nine percent chance of killing your daughter. If you try to outsmart us follow our instructions and you stand a hundred percent chance of getting her back you and your family are under constant scrutiny as well as the authorities. Don't try to grow a brain John. You're the only fat cat around so don't think that killing will be difficult don't underestimate us John use that good Southern wage for sense of yours. It's up to you now, John victor e s b t c is how it was signed investigators questioned why Ramsey seemed to stall over getting the ranch? Money, if you truly believe that the note had been written by dangerous kidnappers the money never left. The bank says one Insider dryly out of the 74 name submitted for testing Patsy's handwriting was the only one that set off an alarm Bell said an investigator closely involved with the testing of the ransom note it Colorado Bureau of Investigation or CBI report concludes. There are indications that the author of The Ransom note is Patricia Ramsey, but the evidence fall short to support that definitive conclusion Hunters team asked the police to accompany them hadn't seemed demonstration at the office of Mike Bynum. The tables were arranged in a horseshoe said The Insider and six of the Ramsey attorneys were there watching the detectives watch their to Hancock experts. It was total bullshit Hunter and demuth or nodding their heads in an agreement as these guys are talking Ramsey's attorney leave Foreman was seen giving demuth a back rub during a break job. After the demonstration Alex Hunter was overheard asking. How hat and well where should we go from here? Why are these showing us unindicted uncharged murder suspects as all the evidence The Source asked is this some privileged Discovery process available to Rich Boulder rights? Everything they have done is against the advice of the Boulder Police the FBI and the Attorney General's capital crimes unit. It's cold outside and I suggest that we find a late night coffee shop in the car..
"patricia ramsey" Discussed on Mother, May I Sleep With Podcast?
"Attacked Him. A couple of questions, please. It's an active investigation. You know we can't comment. The chief is going to call a press conference all right thanks I. Just have a moment of your time, please. Is it true you're ransoming the body for an interview? The body's going to Atlanta today for a funeral on Tuesday. The, Ramseys! told her that. Here comes around shot. Talk To daughter morning. August. Let's y'all. Let's go through it so. Daphne God bless her I really. I didn't need to hear from a kid in this movie really. Brought from mood. A little bit I will say that. I think it's kind of unbelievable that. The white family stayed through like all of this now I understand like. Now isn't really the time to disown your friend, but like how how painful that must've been for them to sort of go through every moment of the funeral process in the beginning of this knowing already that there's something off, your best friends may have murdered their daughter totally so weird. And also in this last seen here with the media, we sort of established that there are some internal leaks in the police department that are going out and this was a huge thing. I mean the amount of press. That this case, Scott and the new development that happens you know I. Remember all the way through that summer. After this murder happened, books were already out, and you know like those paperback books that they saw at every grocery store, just laying the first person. You know at like the amount of police cooperation with the media was really disturbing for the lack of what we know to be like the lack of sort of evidence in results. They got out of this and it makes me think like of Laurie, Valo even. Where like you know we're just I don't know forever. Really GonNa know what happened there because we're dealing with people who keep secrets. And you know Steve I have to say come on Steve. Where are you sending the media? After the Ramseys at their daughter's funeral laying my gosh like go ask them like I. Don't really think this is the time Steve but. I think we all know they're liars, but the next time it's day six There are Marietta Georgia. They're laying her to rest and burke is really a motionless funeral kind of checked out then. Patsy you know leans down whispers something into his ear, and sort of sends him toward the casket, and you really starts to tear up. A BET and patsy looks on sort of almost smiling and. I gotTa know what she said to him like. Do you think she's like you killed your sister? The least you can do is go take a by. I thought it was so weird that she was smiling like that shot was so creepy to me. And, but also it is problematic to like go so much off of the behavior of people. A tragedy happens because you don't know how you're GONNA. React like when you're a kid. I don't know like when my grandparents died I was like. I didn't really care you know what I mean like. You can't plot this. The emotions and the gravity of everything that's happening, so it's hard to like. Base it off that you know. I totally agree. I think the only issue here with that is like it's. It's difficult to process weird on weird lab if they weren't just weird to begin with, there would be much more of like a curveball, or like a grace given to them, or you're just sort of like like they're going. You know they're. They're going through it lake. People grieve differently. It's almost like you know sort of like the Scott Peterson. Chris Watson fact, it's just the attention. The way that they interact with attention is so strange. they liner. In they, they're telling on themselves and I think that that is the part where you they love it like why who would love this? Like what kind of people would love this? You know you know who I love. This is people who put their daughters pageant and name their daughter their own names. I know I know. Jon Benet was named after John Bennett Ramsey. It's not even like a French thing. It's like a combined. Jon Benet Jon Benet Patricia Ramsey and Patricia was the mother so like they are narcissist. That's the kind of people that love this attention. I do love that. She is the first like famous person in my world that had like a made up name. Lake at this like now. It's sort of like par for the course like the Mormons are out here naming their kids like insane shit. Happens all the time like God Jessica from Nineteen Kids, and counting named her son spurgeon Oh. I saw that, but that's some Mormon history person or some Shit I. Don't know Taller Lady, but like it's just not. Easy on the ears or the mouth, no. It's. It's just like you know it's. It's a real choice and I always was sort of fascinated by this particular choice. Because the name works, it works. We've said it for years but yeah, it was. It was really the first like sort of. Time. I'd ever seen anything like that before. That's. So patsies, mother, and like you know I. Guess The older kids from John's first marriage. They're all in her living room, watching the news and her mom's living room is basically a museum of patsies pageantry life. That's also where I'm a little bit feeling Arlene from dirtyjohn vibes, because I'm like you know. Maybe this is just what patsy knows. Maybe she was a narcissist who was raised by a narcissist. You know maybe. You know to patsies credit although I think she's being a little, you know it. It was a little strange as she handled that she comes in. You know basically shut the TV off and says like you know there are children here, and she gives everyone in the room like a really filthy look. That just felt very late. Shame on you, but it also seemed very. seemed to come from like. Like a narcissistic place like the way that the actress played Yeah, it was like a hurt. It was more of just like how fucking like how dare you made me. It made me kind of scared of her in that moment. I was like I wouldn't be shocked if everyone in her family was a little bit scared of her. Yeah I was yeah. This has a lot of secrets. For sure. Should scary regrets and well okay so back to the garage. We haven't even touched on it, but okay so patsies. Dodd was a sailor and he was in the navy. Boats were life in his house and the garage. It was always you know such a strange thing. That wasn't a boy scout. Not It.
"patricia ramsey" Discussed on True Crime Garage
"I WanNa make sure that I point out here in regards to contamination of the body that it has been noted by several people. This is not one of these items. It's in dispute or up for debate. This is across the Board John Ramsey Patricia Ramsey. Linda aren't and fleet. Elite white all touched the body before it was examined right and John Ramsey and Patricia Ramsey touched the body several times. I'm not pointing winning that out to indicate guilt or to indicate that the ramseys were trying to cover something up. I think it would be a one hundred percent natural astral reaction to want to go to your child to touch your child. I'm just pointing it out for the purpose of evidentiary value. Yeah I mean it compromises. The scene we're not saying that to cover up anything that compromises the scene and And then we also know where we're starting from so the following is from Steve Thomas's book. This is inside the Ramsey murder investigation. Steve Thomas was one of the leading detectives on the case. This is from page forty one and it says it was the morning of December twenty seventh. The little body was I removed from a locked yellow outer covering then from an inner black bag. The paper sacks were removed from the hands and feet and Meyer Liar. Remember he is the pathologist began describing his findings. The victim weighed forty. Five pounds was three feet. Eleven inches tall and had green eyes is in. Some Green Garland was caught in her blonde hair. A single loop of white cord was around her right wrist tied on top of the sleeve but so loosely. The doctor easily slid it free. There were fifteen half inches between that loop and a loop uh on the other end which once apparently had bound the left wrist a white cord of the same type was wrapped so tightly around the throat and neck that a deep horizontal furrow had been dug into the skin a gold chain and cross tangled in that legislature which was was tied behind the neck to a broken stick. Blond hair was snared in the not and the coroner had to cut the hair in order to remove the cord which which was tied more like a noose than a twisting Gherat. The broken paintbrush used as the garage handle had Korea printed on it when when Meier clipped the nails of each finger. No Blood or tissue was found that would indicate a struggle. He used the same clippers for all the fingers. Although doing so created an issue of cross contamination for optimal DNA purposes separate and sterile clippers should have been used I for each finger. Furthermore we later learned that the coroner's office sometimes used the same clippers on different autopsy subjects. Oh that's that's amazing. acing great job there captain we go through the entire autopsy. I want to kind of go through and Cherry pick some items but to do the entire autopsy would be an exhausting process. It's over three thousand words long so I point that out one to not be lazy about it but to point out that it was an appears to be a thorough document. Constructed by pathologist Zala Gist Meyer Cherry. Picking some items here at the top of the report. Captain we have name Ramsey and I just WANNA say real quickly. If if you're not not willing to take the time to have different clippers on each finger I would assume there are some kind of protocol lets us. If we're GONNA start with that conversation then and yes. It's three thousand words. The I don't know if that means it's thorough. I just meant the document I said. It was a thorough document not a thorough examination. The thing here with these autopsies the gets difficult is your you're solely relying usually on one individual to handle this process properly as you're pointing out here. Follow Protocol and protocol varies depending on what county. You're in what city you're in what state you're in. It's I hate to say this but it truly is a bit of a Willy Nilly process. It's one of those situations where you question the science of it because it's human error and it's and it can be laziness it can be a number of different things and they can be opinion based correct and the other thing too. Is You know I. I had a discussion discussion once with with some people and they said well there were multiple hairs found on the body from different sources and that means that there were multiple killers. And he I said well not necessarily we've done enough of these cases to realize that that random hairs and fibers can end up on people for a number of different reasons that are innocent nature but to further that along and the way the way that I connect this to this conversation is I've reviewed at least two cases where later we learned that one of the hairs found on the body came from the body bag that the body was placed into. And it wasn't cleaned properly or it was a county that was quite poor and they're just re using bodybags all the time. The report states at the top. The name of the the deceit in is Ramsey. Jon Benet date of birth August. Sixth nineteen ninety aged six Sex Female Autopsy Number Ninety six. A you one. Five Five Death Dayton time December twenty six nineteen ninety-six thirteen twenty three so one twenty twenty three. PM This is interesting. They have to well. I guess they don't have to. But per protocol are supposed to put put a time of death on this form whether they come up with an actual time of death or not and in this situation one twenty three. PM is foot on this document because that's considered to be the agreed upon time that the body was in the living room. We know she didn't die at one twenty three PM and in fact there was no real time of death that was truly established. In this case. Steve Thomas Mus says that the detectives were told to work with a window of one. Am to seven am and then he kind of backs into that. A little bit In shrinks that window based off of some information we know to be true. The nine one one call comes in before six. Am so you can go ahead and take away six to seven now you're left with one. Am to six am right. I like that and I do like. You're going WanNa hear me question. Steve Thomas's actions in theories and how he came up with some stuff as we move forward but I wanNA point Out that personally I find his investigation to be interesting in in a sense that there are pieces of it that seem incredibly thorough. Where even on the time line of the day when the bodies found he has multiple times for when people arrive to the house inside his report inside inside his notes? Some people point out. What a terrible job? This detective has multiple times for the same people arriving to the house it. This can't can't be an accurate document. Right Steve Thomas never claims for that to be an accurate document. What he's saying is I've talked to everybody? Somebody tells me person a arrives at this time and then somebody else tells me personnel arrived at that time until I can prove what time that person arrived on leaving both in my report and in my notes both are correct so I I find that portion to be well done on on Mister Thomas's behalf yet because like you said I mean he's not just GonNa Kyi talk to this person. I talked to this person. I believe this person more right. He's same he's leaving it on their to improve other Otherwise and where I find it a little tricky though so is when we have the time of death when he's discussing what he believes or what he claims. The detectives believed to be the time of death. I find that I his theory in the detectives theory kind of wiggle. That theory gets wiggled into their time of death and the window that they create you know. They're making assumptions. That I think are still very dangerous to make in this investigation Wow One being that they say okay. Well we're told to work with this window of one. Am Seven am. We know that it was before six. Am because of the nine one. One Call we've shrunk the window a little they they want to shrink this window and I. We need that window to be much smaller than that. When the Dow unto Shrunken yes so we can really really get an idea of what happened and who needs to be accounted for during that time? The thing that I believe that they do this dangerous to the investigation. is they make the assumption. The the ransom letter was penned after the death and that the letter writing process would take a certain amount of time time and thus they can shrink the window even more. Have you wrote the letter out yourself. I have not but if I sit down and try to write it with my left Tan instead of my right. It's GonNa take me even longer bright but I mean do you have to guess of. How long do you think it would take you to copy? Well you say copy but but there's a chance that the author was was writing it from scratch right. Yeah that they're coming up with a an. Here's the other thing. How many times did they how? How many practice letters could there be? You know they're multiple pages ripped out from that pad of paper I believe it's three. Did they were able to determine that there were three pieces of paper missing between where they believe. The page one of the letter came from and the rough draft. Let's call Ah with the MRS and Mrs Mr Mrs I at the top of the page right but why I think people should do is pull out a couple sheets of paper and copy it start by copying it. That gives you some kind of time frame. It's that's under five minutes so yes it's it's a lot different to create one from scratch but if the perpetrator brought that note with them under five minutes to copy it yeah over eight hours if you have to sit down and watch ransom dirty Harry and speed when you're doing amazing that they didn't find those tapes at the scene of the crime right a right a portable remember those old. TV VCR COMBOS. Yeah Black and white yeah. The the PERP brought it with them. All right sorry. We're we're getting getting off track here. A final diagnosis talk studies blood. Ethanol none detected blood drug screen. No drugs detected final diagnosis cause of death of the six year. Old Female is exceeded by strangulation associated with cranial cerebral. Donald Trump L...
"patricia ramsey" Discussed on True Crime Garage
"Would be very few little girls as famous as blond six year year. Old Jon Benet Patricia Ramsey. She was born in Atlanta Georgia on August. Sixth Nineteen Ninety two parents. Jon Benet Ramsey and Patricia Ann. Dan Ramsey her name is unique as it was was a combination of her father's first and middle names. Her Father John was a wealthy businessman and her mother. Patsy was a former beauty queen. John Ramsey was a smart calculated and determined man. He graduated from Michigan State University in Nineteen Sixty thirty six with an electrical engineering degree. Five years later a masters in Business Administration from MSU. John was married before before he and his first wife had three children. Elizabeth Melinda and John Andrew but the to divorce in one thousand nine hundred seventy eight on November fifth nineteen eighty he married. What many considered to be the woman of his dreams twenty-three-year-old Patricia and Paul Yup better known as Patsy? Patsy attended West Virginia University and graduated with a BA in journalism and nineteen seventy eight just a year before four. She won the Miss West Virginia beauty title in Nineteen Seventy seven on January twenty seventh nineteen eighty-seven Patsy gave birth to the couple's pulls first child Burke Ramsey then three and a half years later they welcomed their second child. Jon Benet in Nineteen Ninety one one. The family moved to Boulder Colorado for John's business access graphics. A little background here. John was extremely hard working and driven. He was an entrepreneur. He started a computer company in the eighties. Eventually his company and two other companies merged nineteen eighty-eight this formed access this graphics the company was then sold to Lockheed Martin in Nineteen ninety-one John became the chief executive officer and president went up access graphics thus sparking the family to set up shop and Beautiful Boulder Colorado the ramseys purchased a seven thousand square foot. Home the address. Seven fifty five Fifteenth Street Boulder Colorado. The home was purchased for five hundred thousand dollars. Some reports state eight. The home is eleven thousand square feet. But I believe that would include. Maybe the basement balconies and other areas. We all know how the real estate listing game works they also did a very extensive renovation on the property as well speaking of which I will do my best impression. Here it's a beautiful. Red Brick Tudor style home built in nineteen twenty seven. There are four floors including the basement. The basement is made up of a series of small rooms the home it features two staircases one traditional and one spiral there are five bedrooms burke and John Benes rooms are located on the second second story. Job As room is complete with its own bathroom and balcony. The master suite is above the children's rooms located on the third story. The ramseys Patsy in particular loved this House. The ramseys were riding pretty high but unfortunately life is often a series of peaks and valleys sadly on January Eighth Nineteen ninety-two John Ramsey's oldest daughter. From his first marriage Elizabeth Ramsay was killed in an automobile automobile accident in Chicago Illinois. She was just twenty two years old on December twenty third nineteen ninety-two. The ramseys purchased a one thousand seven hundred in thirty one square foot vacation home in Charlevoix Michigan for three hundred and thirty six thousand dollars for those unfamiliar. This is an absolutely a beautiful area. Northern Michigan right along Lake Michigan absolutely gorgeous in June of ninety three. Patsy Ramsey is diagnosed with breast cancer. Sir For this. She will receive exams at the Charlevoix Community Hospital and treatments in Maryland. Now we're going to go through a pretty thorough timeline for for the Ramsey family. Some of these events may seem trivial however given the crime that we know is going to occur these items were included in this time. Line line because of the possibilities and the suspicions surrounding this case in Nineteen ninety-four seven-year-old Burke hits his little sister Zhabei on the cheek with a golf club. Well let's be clear. This is not a situation where burke decided. I don't like you and I'm going to smash smashing the face with a golf club. This was purely an accident. This wasn't like the time my brother hit me in the back with a baseball bat because he was trying to kill me. I questioned this at first glance because we do know that children siblings will fight with one another and they can be quite vicious dishes at times plus when they're very young as they would be in this situation. It's an impulsive thing to pick up a club and hit your sister your brother other with because they did something mean to you. I am burke only being seven years old. He won't be thinking if I hit her in the face with a golf club. I could possibly kill her right. This could have lasting consequences however everything that we could find only indicates that this was just an accident accident and believe it or not in my own life. I've experienced a situation where one of my friends accidentally hit another friend in the the face with a golf club and the vase on the back swing because the person was standing too close as the other person was taking swing. We don't have the details of of this specific accident however again everything indicates that it was just that an accident right but it was pretty vicious. Because Jon benet would be left with scar a short time later. Johnny underwent plastic surgery at a surgeon in Denver this to correct that scar on the left cheek from from the golf club. Incident and December of nineteen ninety four. The ramseys giant beautiful home is one of just seven homes in the area to be included in the historic homes for the holidays tour. This is important for a few reasons mainly this means that approximately fifteen hundred people will participate dissipate in a tour of the ramseys property and the house in April of one thousand nine hundred five four year old Jon Benet Ramsey wins the Colorado auto state all star. Kids paget out. She will participate and win several pageants. I'm not going to go through all of them captain. Frankly when research searched well you get a bunch of different information so I will just stick to the ones that I can confirm. or at least have double-checked October of Nineteen ninety-five was a happy and exciting month. For the Ramsey family. Jon Benet was crowned Little Miss Colorado Sunburst and John Ramsay was the winner of the Entrepreneur of distinction award but to be clear. I don't think like her whole family was revolved around her winning something. I think it was nice. When she wan- they devoted a lot of time doing it but I don't think it made the families year if she got some award regarding John Ramsey's he's business keep in mind? Access graphics is doing very well in the company is growing in sales and staff quite rapidly. Then it was patsies turned to receive some recognition. This came when the April nineteen ninety-six issue of Women's magazine Profiled Patsy Ramsey this article of course will include a lot of her personal information but also a lot of personal information about John and the kids then in July of Nineteen ninety-six. Jon Benet one. America's royal tiny miss the following month. She finishes second and the the Sunburst National Pageant. This pageant was held in Atlanta Georgia. On Saturday November thirtieth John Ramsey host host a surprise fortieth birthday party for his wife of sixteen years and this is truly a surprise as her actual birthday is not until December twenty ninth. This was a big fortieth birthday celebration for Patsy held at the Palace Hotel in Denver is laws speculation though that she was not looking forward to this time and was actually very upset about turning forty then on December six during the lights of December parade. Jon Tape appeared on her own little Miss Colorado float. This is an annual parade where spectators enjoy floats created and decorated by local businesses churches and civic groups. The parade often includes marching bands fire engines holiday carolers and an appearance by Santa Claus. This takes place in downtown. Boulder in Nineteen ninety-six Burke was in this parade as well on Friday December thirteenth. There is is a big holiday party at the Ramsey home. This is attended by more than one hundred and fifty of their friends from Church so again just pointing out another event then at their house with a lot of guest so what we are quickly learning is this is a house that has many people who have been in and is often opened up too many guests over just the few years that they have owned the home. Four days later on the seventeenth the six year old was crowned Colorado's. Those little Miss Christmas. This is one of the larger pageants. She has participated in and certainly in achieving moment and and in hindsight really kind of just an eerie weird thing. The job in a would be named the nineteen ninety-six Little Miss Christmas. Now we don't have a date but I want to make sure that we include this here. There's a report that this took place some time. In December uh of ninety six and this comes from a statement to law enforcement at some time. In December. Jon Benet tells a gardener. This is Brian Brian Scott about her father John Ramsey..
"patricia ramsey" Discussed on Timesuck with Dan Cummins
"Your family are under constant scrutiny as well as the authorities. Don't try to grow a brain John. You're not the only fat c-h-a-d around so don't think that killing will be difficult. Don't underestimate us. John used that good southern common sense of yours is up to you now. John Victory Victory S. B. T. C. Okay many investigators. Go on to claim that the single best piece of evidence that ties Mrs Ramsay to this crime. Is this ransom some note. Mrs Ramsay would flatly deny having anything to do with notes creation. Obviously she would do that whether she was innocent or guilty as far as ransom note go this one is very long very verbose in fact. It's one of the longest random notes in the history of kidnapping cases. It could've been just four sentences. We have the girl withdraw hundred eighteen thousand dollars an unmarked non consequently bills from the bank. Do not alert authorities or the girl dies. We will contact you between eight and ten tomorrow to tell you how to deliver the money to us. Why would someone take that much time? I'm to write out a ransom note in the home of someone whose daughter they just killed and whoever did it wrote it did write it in the Ramsey home. I mean people believe they wrote beforehand and brought it but that would mean they would have had to come in a previous time and take the stationary from patchy is not because the paper for came from the House that's definitive that doesn't seem likely the no was drafted on paper taken from middle of a pad located within the ram home written with a pen found in the Ramsey home the pending the paper abor belonged to patsy additional sheet for missing from the pad and we're never located in the Ramsey home finding there was another page in the pad that had Mr and Mrs I com written on it which may a have been an early false start like start a rough draft of the ransom note based on a CBS documentary recreation of the note it takes twenty one minutes just to copy the the entire note out by hand and you would think it would have taken longer to write it initially because you'd have to think about what you're right. Over twenty minutes is a long time just to chill chill out write a note in an active crime scene when someone could walk up and catch it anytime someone coming in and taking Jon Benet from her bed and as you'll see never leaving the property with her killing her possibly sexually sexually assaulting her then sitting down and writing. This note seems highly unlikely to me now. Let's talk about handwriting analysis during the initial murder investigation in an attempt to determine determine who wrote the note the Boulder Police Department in Boulder County District Attorney's office consulted at least six different handwriting experts all of these experts consulted the original ransom note and compared it to original handwriting samples from both Mr and Mrs Ramsay four of these experts hired by the police to were hired by the ramseys. All six experts agreed that Mr Ramsey could be eliminated as the author of the note the same six consulted experts did not eliminate Mrs Ramsay as the author of the ransom note. Their reaction was mixed on a scale of one to five with five being definitive affinity elimination as the author of the note the expert tire by the ramseys placed Mrs Ramsay overall some routine four and a four point five described the chance of Mrs Ramsay being the author of the note is very very low. The animal analysts hired by murder investigators however think Mrs Ramsay might be the author and recently in Two Thousand Sixteen when a twenty twenty special air twenty years after the murder conditionally analysts Gideon Eptein seen Awang professional handwriting experts who have worked on hundreds of investigations thing that it is highly likely the Mrs Ramsay wrote the ransom note Seena Wong said it's highly probable that she wrote the ransom note if she did right to know does that mean that she killed her daughter know what it means. She has something to do with it. The very least you knew who the fuck did and wasn't her very likely your husband or son also an investigator closely involved with testing of the ransom note said out of the seventy four name aim submitted for testing patsies handwriting was the only one that set off alarm bells a Colorado Bureau of Investigation. CBI report concluded there are indications nations at the author of the Rams Have Noticed Pat Patricia Ramsey but the evidence fall short support that definitive conclusion over one hundred total samples of different people's handwriting were given the law enforcement investigators over the course of Johnny's initial homicide investigation. Every single one were proven is definitively not matching the note except Patty not her handwriting sample was the one and only one this showed a result of inconclusive couple more interesting point you made about to know before you move on and actually really quick before we get to these boats this remembering something. I didn't even put on my notes. the type of pen she used was a specific wasn't ballpoint that apparently makes a little extra hard to get a definitive conclusion so some of the handwriting analysts think that that was what kind of a little bit from being Patricia is that it was just the type of append made certain kinds of brush marks the that make it a little harder to say four shirts this person okay more about the note i John Ramsey was well. No millionaire why the kidnappers ask for one hundred eighteen thousand dollars why not a million the amount of hundred eighteen thousand dollars you know as as we know now that's the amount of his recent bonus and a strange amount mount to ask for not one hundred thousand not a million not a quarter million not even one hundred twenty thousand one hundred and eighteen fishy to me feels contrived also the supposed supposed kidnappers specifically asked Ramsey take money from his account. Why does that matter typically could ever? They don't give a shit. I give the money they'll give trump since how to get it this way to give it to him. Another weird detail according to experts is the way the kidnappers cry themselves who calls themselves a small foreign faction Y- like I said it gives it gives it a whole fucking Nigerian email scam vibe. If this faction was real small. Why would they want you to know they're small make more sense as they want you to think that they're large powerful big now trying to more powerful not less notes kind of sounds like something out of eighties actioner in her nineties action movies like die hard now John Maclean trying to save everyone from a theories efforts of a small foreign faction held destroy America Yippie Kyw foreign faction now back to the time after calling the police at five fifty four? Am Patchy calls family and friends both the White Family John and Barbara Fernie at around six am the world's most Caucasian couple fleet and Priscilla white arrive on the scene. I imagine both of them wearing silk ascot's they'd never seen patsy so hysterical flailing collapsing sobs John Ramsey was known for displaying emotion motion fleet who done a lot of sailing with him of course he had a rough weather had admired his calm even in the worst storms but not John distraught as well around the same time five fifty nine. AM officer Rick French fries in the scene the first of many officers from the Boulder Police Department to respond to.
"patricia ramsey" Discussed on Timesuck with Dan Cummins
"H. hoedown Yup the little Miss Hustler hoedown one of the categories pole fitness because of all the poll all finished classes nine year olds g-strings doing stripper moves in front of middle aged dudes judges and audience primarily men who are allowed to take as many pictures as they want as long as flash turned off. That's fine just no flash. That's the only rule kid's crotch shots that's fine. No flash also tease competition with the kids dance on a catwalk and take off after close they go all the way down to their underwear and because their kids it's not illegal for them to go topless so they can even take off their tops and they do and they end up bare-chested in front of these fucking dudes is gross and if you don't believe that it's real go ahead and check it out for yourself. Go to the website it's. WWW dot get the fuck out of here dot no not yet. None of that stuff is happening yet. Hopefully never will. I hope you're hope your outrage for a moment there as you heard all of that and you didn't think it was a big deal. I want you to focus less on podcasts to focus a lot more in therapy. If you'RE FUCKING WE'RE GONNA get my ticket out. She gives them up. Would you get some real help and pageants as bad as all that now. Oh I guess I know I'm sure a lot of people run in them have a completely different. Look at it but I do look at it like you're just like advertising your kid head for fucking pedophile. Would you dress them up enclosed it. I don't know how some of these people rationalize them not being sexually provocative. I mean it's it really and and I'm not approved by swear to God. A lot of these outfits have been row was wearing them at sixteen. I'm like whoa where where are you going. You're going to school no nightclub. Okay another round with a little bit of knowledge about the Kiddie Porn. I mean Kitty paget world. Let's take a look at the Ramseys to understand the murder of Jon Benet Ramsey. We first have to understand the FAM- the start it was Jon Benet Jon Benet Patricia Ramsey was born on August sixth nineteen ninety in land. Georgia should be just barely twenty nine years old today if she was still alive so oh crazy she would die so young if she died today she's still young. She died over twenty years ago. She was a daughter a beauty queen. The niece of another beauty queen to daughter of patchy in Jon Jon Benet was named after a feminine version of her father's first and middle names John Bennett also given her mother's name as a Middle Name Jon Benet Patricia Ramsey and these people the little little vein. I feel like that's always we never understood that the need to put your name in the name of your kids. I must make another media understandably Dan neither one of my kids have names that have anything to do with my first name or middle name which is Brent. Neither one of my kids are named for anyone of my family but but I guess they do have my last name what you don't want to be honest alike but if it was culturally normal to give kids different last names I wouldn't care to me research in his it felt like Patricia wanted to like clone herself right. Her daughter has has renamed Middle Name and said she did pageants. She makes her daughter do pageants seems hyper hyper focused on her daughter. Daughter's seemed like more like a doll her the human being you know I mean clearly you're getting pushed hard that direction. We do this stuff at the age like four. I think even younger three four five I mean she's a pageant girl raised by mom and her life revolved Aldrin Rehearsals costumes get made it pretty and competing not doing typical kids stuff. It's like she was more like a show dog or show. Ponies in a human being jonbenet Albany was youngest the two children at least on her mother's side her brother Burke nine..
"patricia ramsey" Discussed on Timesuck with Dan Cummins
"Taking far far too soon Jon benet Ramsey in the story begins a day after Christmas nineteen ninety-six almost twenty three years ago the Ramsey family only had just hosted a lavish successful Christmas party on Christmas Day. The ramseys were John and Patricia Ramsey knows patsy nine year old son Burke Ramsey and their six year old daughter Jon on Benet Ramsey John also had two living children from his first marriage twenty year old John Andrew and twenty-four-year-old Melinda Spending Christmas in one thousand nine hundred sixty with their mother Cindy John's First Wife in Marietta Georgia Giorgi Georgia Giorgi Down in Georgia. Oh Georgia land getting my ticket to Georgie the Ramsey ABC family lives in an affluent area of boulder and huge seven thousand two hundred Forty Square Foot Tudor style dream home at seven four nine Fifteenth Street and the exclusive Swank Lancaster neighborhood of Chappaqua good name good name for an expensive neighbor. It might be Chappaqua Shaniqua. I think yeah I said that's the way better named for a nice neighborhood like toilet nuggets or missing fingernails. That's rough one shirking swing by where you live again missing fingernails he you know what I can't swing doing by. I thought I thought you bought a place in Chappaqua. People named Flint and Chad live in a place called Chappaqua people name shredder and Gumbo Live and missing fingernails fingernails on the Ramsey home cost John five hundred thousand dollars which home wise is like a million or two today maybe more than two million over the next two years patchy remodeled decorated to the tune of an additional seven hundred thousand dollars. They're doing all right in the money department the average price of a home in this neighborhood today according to real estate apps like Trulia and realtor dot com is somewhere between two and three million million the former seven bedroom eight bath Ramsey home is valued just over three million dollars right now built in nineteen twenties exquisitely landscaped large private backyard card has three fireplaces a match takes up the entire top floor of a two story home that also features a large basement level thousand was so nice the Ramsey family had it listed on the Boulder Christmas tour as well as on a regular home tour in boulder when people visited and between fifteen hundred to two thousand guests would visit each year Passi would would take them a would meet him but the door was Jon Benet burke her side each of them wearing perfect little matching sweaters you know that they had to wear to make mama happy and nineteen ninety-six..
"patricia ramsey" Discussed on 850 WFTL
"I know what you want. Sure, they may have tried to separate us. But what we have is too strong too powerful. But after all we shared everything, even I I told you my deepest darkest secrets I showed you exactly what people are capable. I shopped you with my honesty, but mostly I challenged you and made you think it was sounds like there's some of you can tell when someone's acting when they're not acting. This sounds like someone said, okay? Here's what you gotta do. He didn't even really sound like the character. He he did it, and it has the cards, but you could tell there he was doing a scene if you watch house of cards if you really watch that that series. He was another one who just immersed himself in a character. You, you know, you forgot it was Kevin Spacey there a sounds like he's acting like, okay? Do Frank Underwood. It's like he's doing an impression. Yes. Exactly. Exactly. So yeah, you should have done that today. But it didn't say you word. His lawyer did all the. Talking is accused of groping an eighteen year old man at the club car bar in two thousand sixteen he faces a single charge of indecent assault and battery which carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison. Do you really want to send him to prison? It sounds like that would be like a vacation. Faye buffets gets. He get to choose from a number of a number of young eighteen year old man hard time. Kevin Spacey and hard time. You wanna make it miserable. Send him to a female prison that would make that would be like death. Anyway, the new court date was set for March fourth and left appear to that. Now, if you know the story, so he was in this bar, and he hit on this this kid who's eighteen who's actually the son of a of a Boston television, a TV anchor the son of a TV anchor in Boston anyway. The story goes that he's claiming that the kid said he was twenty three. And the accusation was disclosed in November two thousand seventeen when Heather Unruh. This former Boston TV anchor held a press conference a Q Spacey of groping her son Spacey has led to a provider said with alcohol before sticking his hands down the unmanned pants and grabbing his genitals. A couple of drinks before it happened. Wined and dined him. Yeah. Didn't dine them just wind. The loosen them up boosted them up a little bit. Yeah. So obviously the what's the defense in this one. What does the defense counselor Garrett? I would assume that the defense is that it was consensual. Exactly. That's the defense and all this stuff. Is that it's all consensual Kevin Spacey's well known actor and anybody would love to take the pants off. Thanks so much for the drink say, would you mind, grabbing my junk, right? Hey, Kevin Spacey. I won't lie. I've tried that line once. Hey, if it was to give me a million dollars in a settlement. Hey, kevin. I got some Spacey right in here for you. Spacey in my independence. A million dollars just go. I happy place. But if it's just gonna give me a couple of drinks. No, thank you. I'm not that cheap cheap a date. Not yet. Yeah. I wouldn't I wouldn't even even bothered who the hell knows. Who knows? He could have been hanging out with Bill Cosby to like an hour before I have a drink next thing. I know I'm waking up in some bad full of ice cubes and Cosby in spacier there. There's a nightmare for you tonight, folks. So anyway, so he's grabbing the guys genitals. But the the the story goes the kid said that it lasted for three minutes. This is some dude gonna touch my genitals in a bar two. Things are gonna happen either. I'm going to get out of there within seconds or the guy's gonna get flattened. You've got just three minutes to cut that out. Yeah. Right. So just the fact that the kid actually on records said that it was three minutes. Wow. That's an attorney. That's an attorney subdued. I met you. Yeah. Unless there was something in the drink that made him not know fight back. I don't think. So I think that's the case. That was the case. Yeah. So I mean, apparently there was like there was some time that from the time that it happened to the time that they they reported it the guy wasn't interviewed by the police until a year after the incident, there's just so many holes in this. So to speak. Got to be careful when you mentioned that when you say like Kevin Spacey. Fairly. That's not as well. Which one? Sure. It depends on how much you have to drink. Oh, jeez. So so the attorney of implied that it could have been consensual, but he's not he's gotta hanging onto that as the actual defense to see if there's any sort of, you know, plea deal or something that you know, he's so that's going to happen to him. But he has to show up to court. Tuck it and tuck it you ever been up there in Rhode Island. Pretty nice. Wasn't a Paul once was a man from the target class team. If he could never learn. Classic. All right. So kind of kind of in the same. I was gonna say the same thing. But. The same section of conversation. Sasho baron Cohen who is also celebrity. You know, he had this Showtime special called who is America. We talked about it. Where he scammed a lot of these people this even scam. Dick Cheney do you remember the woman Dick Cheney? Yes, we stuck on the Dick Cheney about waterboarding, and torture, and he was he played these characters, and he scammed all these people. He skimmed judge ROY Moore. Who sued him, and or is still still in the process of suing him, and it was very funny character he played this this this this is rarely for me Isreaeli military operative guy who invented this one. It was like a pedophile detection one where he took the one in waves it off you if it made a beep means you're pedophile and. He did it to himself obviously during the thing when he was head judge ROY Moore. And then he did it to judge ROY Moore, and we kept going off. And it goes he goes, well, this this must be faulty this never happens. And obviously was quite a barrier. So judge ROY Moore sued him saying that he was he missed representing himself said he was something he was not in a whole lawsuit. So the question is how far did Sacha baron Cohen go in some of these bits were there any bits that he cut from the show because it was too offensive. Like what what how how far and what is what's offensive for him? I was just about to say. That's you want to hear what he had to cut. Yeah. Oh, wow. He plays a character geo Manal, though, this was a guy who was the silver ponytail. It was like a very rich Italian photographer. He had one one of the skits where he was at a hotel room with OJ Simpson. And he's trying to get OJ to admit that he did the murders gets GO said, I got a girlfriend. I got to get rid of her. You know, give me some tips. I like I just wanted similar just chopper head. He they ran that one because they couldn't run this one. So he was playing this character, and he went to a hotel, and he had revealed to one of the conscientious is at the hotel they adjust molested in eight year old boy. And he asked the guy said, how do I get rid of this issue had I get rid of the situation? At one point. He even talked about murdering the boy and the conscientious saying, well, listen, I'm really sorry. But in this country, we just can't drown the boy this is America. We don't do that. Then puts me in touch with a lawyer who could silence the boy, that's what secondary concept. So he said, listen, I can't do anything, but I can give you a lawyer who can take care of it. So all this is going on so in the editing room. It's actually baron Cohen's gone. I can't run this. I'm talking about molesting an eight-year-old boy, even as a character. I can't run this. This is not gonna fly. So he was you hit a punt or replaced it. And he was able to get OJ in the hotel row, but he could get OJ to admit to burners. But still this is the one this is the if you if you wonder if there is a line that he draws this is it. And by the way, the FBI decided because they heard about it got bald. And they didn't they didn't pursue any sort of, you know, charges of you or charge because fake, but just the fact that he did it as a bit. It was it was it was a little uncomfortable. That he draws the line at Kevin Spacey. Here's the thing though. I mean, I mean session baron Cohen really has no line. He's got about as far as any performer has ever. Do. You think he think he pulled it because he thought it was over the line or do you think he thought maybe it just wasn't funny? But I wouldn't wasn't entertaining. I think he thought it was entertaining that the guy the whole idea of his show is trying to get people to do things that they normally wouldn't do you? Remember, he had the one guy who was like throwing he let the guy. His ass or something like that. Or something. Could pull your pants down in case me around the room. You know, also outrageous stuff, but he was like, okay. Where's that was entertaining was funny encouraging some guy to essentially as breaking the law? Yes. Maybe he just decided it wasn't fun. Give him the benefit of the doubt. You can't give him to bed. I think he realized he could get himself in a world of trouble. Maybe you know, if he went through. Okay. So speaking of of a world of trouble and Garrett you have no idea who Jon Benet Ramsey as you've heard the name. But you know, anything about the case, I probably will remember it as soon as we start talking about it. Sound okay? The the beauty pageant star. That was found dinner basement of her family's home in boulder. Colorado is that ring a bell December nineteen Ninety-six it happened little bit. Okay. Pop culture. It's it was a huge was probably one of the biggest news stories of the mid nineties that one of the OJ Simpson case and to this day, they still don't know who killed her and so- CBS. I guess ran some sort of a story where they inferred that the brother Burke Ramsey was the one who is the murderer. And by the way, the brother and the parents were all cleared. I think the mother is dead. I think what was her name the mother. I can't remember I think she's passed away. Patricia Patricia Ramsey. I think the father still alive, but I think the mother passed away, but but the kids still alive anyway. The they filed a seven hundred fifty million dollar suit against a defamation suit against CBS. Parents the brother and the brothers attorneys, and so I guess they just settled it. What did he the settlement was for that? If it's a seven hundred fifty million dollars defamation suit. And I guess it'd be going on for a while. What would you like if you miss Burke Ramsey? What would you be happy walking away with after they defamed your reputation because I remember people going on here must be him sun on CBS. They're saying it was him. What would you? What would you settle for? I'm trying to think what the number. Is it sad to say that I'd settle for like a mill? No. I mean, maybe that's what he got. Well, what would that be something? If he got less than some of these women got who are like Bill O'Reilly or that, lower whatever you're gonna be like his parents weren't broke to begin with. Right. So I think he knows the value of a dollar, and I don't think an attorney any attorney that would represent a family that powerful would go along with. There's got to be, you know, maybe he might wind up with that. In the attorney gets his bite. But if you start with a million people start getting their that. You don't have much left. He's I would say probably got twenty mil I would have to be somewhere in that neighborhood that book. Seven hundred and fifty soon for an exorbitant amount of money, but speaking of money, let's this story so OJ Simpson. I mentioned the two big stories for the nineties was Jon Benet and OJ OJ Simpson. One of his dream team.