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"Outside the embassy the l. Everybody within a three block radius. We were told was was likely working for one intelligence service or another There is a sort of second phase of all this. That's read which that comes up. And that is later in two thousand. And i should point out. The abduction rendition. Plans never got the approval from the from. The trump white house trump white house lawyers raised objections. Even went to the hill raise concerns about. Some of pompeo was up to but some of what was planning and the cio planning did go through and that includes audio visual surveillance of assange from inside the ecuadorian embassy and monitoring the communications travels of assange associate so aspects of the war on wikileaks at pompilio was declaring. D did get implemented. And that's that's confirmed for the first time in lots of allegations to this effect is confirmed for the first time in our piece but later in two thousand seventeen the us intelligence community gets information it fuses credible that russian operatives are on the ground in london preparing to spirit assange out of the embassy and onto a plane and fly him to moscow. And this this is when things really get ramped up. The trump trump white house at the highest levels get involved in planning and overseeing all sorts of plans and scenarios to thwart the feared russian escape of assange from the embassy. Their work there were discussions about a potential gunbattle on the streets of london. This was done in consultation with british authorities. Who made it clear that if there was going to be any shooting they would do it. There was also plans for stopping. The russian aircraft from taking off from the united kingdom plans to shoot the tires on the airplane. Have helicopters stationed to hct over to prevent the airplane from taking off there. Were there was a lot of wild jason bourne stuff going on to prevent what. Us officials feared was going to be a russian assisted escape from them to see. And my wondering. I mean the revelations in your in your article are shocking. But they shouldn't be surprising given the history of the cia. Whether it's it's the patrice lumumba or the hunt for che guevara or The cia has always been in the business of these assassinations and conditions. But doesn't it really late arrest any doubt that what has been happening to. Julian assange all of these years from sweet original. Swedish charges was really being engineered by the united states is effort to get him as a result of the wikileaks disclosures. While they're certainly lots of questions raised by all this. I mean You know whether the sweetest charges can be put on the cia. I don't have any information to to to back that up. But certainly i think There's going to be already sort of calls for An investigation into this certainly questions for the cia. But also i think most immediately There's this extradition case before the british courts and every indication that there are folks gleaming asandra legal team that want bring some of this to the attention of the british courts as grounds for blocking the extradition of assange to country. Some of whose officials were talking about kidnapping and assassinating him Not too many years ago whether that works or not. I don't know the british court sir. Have a very narrow brief on this. And that is the ruling by the british judge blocking the extradition was over the risk of suicide. That assange would face where he sent to prison. So whether or the the appeal by the merrick garland joe biden. Justice department of that adverse ruling can be expanded to include some of these allegations. We're gonna find out very soon. So let me ask you out jeff sessions. Who is the attorney. General at the time had no had to say the least extremely anti julian assange but very opposed to the cia because he thought they would mess up the ability to extradite him and comparative dan. Ellsberg sure and listen. I mean some of this is sort of institutional bureaucratic you know turf protections. The justice department doesn't want the intelligence agencies mucking around on their cases in ways that could jeopardize the prosecution. and you mentioned daniel ellsberg. That's interesting. Because when i spoke to bury pollock the us lawyer for assange over the weekend. That's one of the first things. He raised that this could be evidence. If assange is extradited and brought to an american courtroom. his american lawyers would raise government. Misconduct is grounds for dismissal. And as pollock pointed out that's daniel ellsberg's lawyers succeeded on that very grounds ellsworth was being. We can gone a burst. And then when evidence came out about some of what. The nixon white house was planning. And did you know in one case breaking into his psychiatrist's office that was grounds for causing the weather of the assange. You know what that parallel will work on. We'll have to wait and see clearly. Some of these more extreme measures more implemented but some including was surveillance from inside the embassy when he may have been talking to his lawyers or doctors and other fr- privilege having other privilege conversations that could factor into government misconduct motion. We went to bring in one. Join a sanchez. Legal advisers chen robinson. But i have a respond to Al jazeera english white house correspondent. Kimberly it questioning white house press. Secretary jen psaki. Friday about the charges against wikileaks. Founder julian assange. Why biden is persisting. Why is president biden. Keeping the trump era charges against julian assange why see allowing the prosecution from publishing the truth about human rights abuses in iraq afghanistan guantanamo and. Does the president believe the ongoing tension. The sasha's reasonable we've been moral given the transparency delivered the served. Well i don't have anything new to say on the on a julian assange and i would point you. The department of justice. On that. I would say though that we do think of ourselves and we are approaching this from an entirely different approach of the last few years as it relates to freedom of the press. And i think the department of justice's actions as it relates to the prosecution of journalists. Or how we're going to look at our go. After records something that the attorney general made an announcement about the president has spoken to is very clear exactly that and see this as a freedom of press issue with perspective. Assange again nothing. I have nothing to speak to. This is something that i email about months ago. So they've been time to. I understand i understand. I still don't think. I don't have a new comment from here. So that's jen. Psaki the white house press post spokesperson responding to al jazeera english. White house correspondent kimberly. How jenn robinson is with us from australia. Longtime legal adviser in human rights attorney for julian assange. Can you talk about the new information that we're getting from yahoo this explosive information about the possibility of kidnapping or assassinating him. Something julian talked about himself. and what this means for his case right now as he sits in the belmarsh.

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08:13 min | 2 months ago

"patrice lumumba" Discussed on Democracy Now! Audio

"Outside the embassy the l. Everybody within a three block radius. We were told was was likely working for one intelligence service or another There is a sort of second phase of all this. That's read which that comes up. And that is later in two thousand. And i should point out. The abduction rendition. Plans never got the approval from the from. The trump white house trump white house lawyers raised objections. Even went to the hill raise concerns about some of what pump was up to but some of what was planning and the cio planning did go through and that includes audio visual surveillance of assange from inside the ecuadorian embassy and monitoring the communications travels of assange associate so aspects of the war on wikileaks. Their pompilio was declaring d did get implemented. And that's that's confirmed for the first time in. Lots of allegations to this effect is confirmed for the first time in our piece but later in two thousand seventeen the us intelligence community gets information it fuses credible that russian operatives are on the ground in london preparing to spirit assange out of the embassy and onto a plane and fly him to moscow. And this this is when things really get ramped up. The trump trump white house at the highest levels get involved in planning and overseeing all sorts of plans and scenarios to thwart the feared russian escape of assange from the embassy. Their work there were discussions about a potential gunbattle on the streets of london. This was done in consultation with with british authorities. Who made it clear that if there was going to be any shooting they would do it. There was also plans for stopping. The russian aircraft from taking off from the united kingdom plans to shoot the tires on the airplane. Have helicopters stationed to hct over to prevent the airplane from taking off there. Were there was a lot of wild jason bourne stuff going on to prevent what. Us officials feared was going to be a russian assisted escape from them to see. And my wondering. I mean the revelations in your in your article are shocking. But they shouldn't be surprising given the history of the cia. Whether it's it's the patrice lumumba or the hunt for che guevara or The cia has always been in the business of these assassinations and conditions. But doesn't it really late arrest any doubt that what has been happening to. Julian assange all of these years from sweet original. Swedish charges was really being engineered by the united states is effort to get him as a result of the wikileaks disclosures. While they're certainly lots of questions raised by all this. I mean You know whether the sweetest charges can be put on the cia. I don't have any information to to to back that up. But certainly i think There's going to be already sort of calls for An investigation into this certainly questions for the cia. But also i think most immediately There's this extradition case before the british courts and every indication that there are folks gleaming asandra legal team that want bring some of this to the attention of the british courts as grounds for blocking the extradition of assange to country. Some of whose officials were talking about kidnapping and assassinating him Not too many years ago whether that works or not. I don't know the british court sir. Have a very narrow brief on this. And that is the ruling by the british judge blocking the extradition was over the risk of suicide. That assange would face where he sent to prison. So whether or the the appeal by the merrick garland joe biden. Justice department of that adverse ruling can be expanded to include some of these allegations. We're gonna find out very soon. So let me ask you out jeff sessions. Who is the attorney. General at the time had no had to say the least extremely anti julian assange but very opposed to the cia because he thought they would mess up the ability to extradite him and comparative dan. Ellsberg sure and listen. I mean some of this is sort of institutional bureaucratic you know turf protections. The justice department doesn't want the intelligence agencies mucking around on their cases in ways that could jeopardize the prosecution. and you mentioned daniel ellsberg. That's interesting. Because when i spoke to bury pollock the us lawyer for assange over the weekend. That's one of the first things. He raised that this could be evidence. If assange is extradited and brought to an american courtroom. his american lawyers would raise government. Misconduct is grounds for dismissal. And as pollock pointed out that's daniel ellsberg's lawyers succeeded on that very grounds ellsworth was being. We can gone burs and then when evidence came out about some of what the nixon white house was planning. And did you know in one case breaking into his psychiatrist's office that was grounds for the weather of the assange. You know what that parallel will work on. We'll have to wait and see clearly. Some of these more extreme measures were implemented but some including was surveillance with assange from inside the embassy when he may have been talking to his lawyers or doctors and other fr- privilege having other privilege conversations that could factor into government misconduct motion. We went to bring in one of join a sanchez. Legal advisers chen robinson. But i have a respond to Al jazeera english white house correspondent. Kimberly hockett questioning white house. Press secretary jen. Psaki friday about the charges against wikileaks. Founder julian assange biden is persisting is president biden keeping the trump era charges against julian assange. Why see allowing the prosecution from publishing the truth about human rights abuses in iraq afghanistan guantanamo and. Does the president believe the ongoing detention. The sasha's reasonable we've been moral given the transparency delivered the served. Well i don't have anything new to say on the on a julian assange and i point you the department of justice on that i would say though that we do think of ourselves and we are approaching this from an entirely different approach of the last few years as it relates to freedom of the press and i think the department of justice's actions as it relates to the prosecution of journalists. Or how we're going to look at our go. After records something that the attorney general made an announcement about the president has spoken to is very clear evidence of exactly that and see this as a freedom of press issue with perspective. Assange again nothing. I have nothing to speak to. This is something that. I email two months ago. So they've been time to. I understand i understand. I still don't think by don't have a new comment from here. So that's jen. Psaki the white house press post spokesperson responding to al jazeera english. White house correspondent kimberly. How jenn robinson is with us from australia. Longtime legal adviser in human rights attorney for julian assange. Can you talk about the new information that we're getting from yahoo this explosive information about the possibility of kidnapping or assassinating him. Something julian talked about himself. and what this means for his case right now as he sits in the belmarsh.

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07:21 min | 2 months ago

"patrice lumumba" Discussed on Democracy Now! Audio

"Outside the embassy the l. Everybody within a three block radius. We were told was was likely working for one intelligence service or another There is a sort of second phase of all this. That's read which that comes up. And that is later in two thousand. And i should point out. The abduction rendition. Plans never got the approval from the from. The trump white house trump white house lawyers raised objections. Even went to the hill raise concerns about. Some of pompeo was up to but some of what was planning and the cio planning did go through and that includes audio visual surveillance of assange from inside the ecuadorian embassy and monitoring the communications travels of associate so aspects of the war on wikileaks. Their pompilio was declaring deed. Get implemented. And that's that's confirmed for the first time in lots of allegations to this effect is confirmed for the first time in our piece but later in two thousand seventeen the us intelligence community gets information it fuses credible that russian operatives are on the ground in london preparing to spirit assange out of the embassy and onto a plane and fly him to moscow. And this this is when things really get ramped up. The trump trump white house at the highest levels get involved in planning and overseeing all sorts of plans and scenarios to thwart the feared russian escape of assange from the embassy. Their work there were discussions about a potential gunbattle on the streets of london. This was done in consultation with with british authorities. Who made it clear that if there was going to be any shooting they would do it. There was also plans for stopping. The russian aircraft from taking off from the united kingdom plans to shoot the tires on the airplane. Have helicopters stationed to hct over to prevent the airplane from taking off there. Were there was a lot of wild jason bourne stuff going on to prevent what. Us officials feared was going to be a russian assisted escape from them to see and my wondering. I mean the revelations in your in your article are shocking. But they shouldn't be surprising. Given the history of the cia. Whether it's it's the patrice lumumba or the hunt for chase guevarra or a. The cia has always been in the business of these assassinations and renditions. But doesn't it really late arrest any doubt that what has been happening to. Julian assange all of these years. South from the original swedish charges was really being engineered by the united states is effort to get him as a result of the wikileaks disclosures. While they're certainly lots of questions raised by all this. I mean You know whether the sweetest charges can be put on the cia. I don't have any information to to to back that up. But certainly i think There's going to be already sort of calls for An investigation into this certainly questions for the cia. But also i think most immediately There's this extradition case before the british courts and every indication that there are folks gleaming asandra legal team that want bring some of this to the attention of the british courts as grounds for blocking the extradition of assange to country. Some of whose officials were talking about kidnapping and assassinating him Not too many years ago whether that works or not. I don't know the british court sir. Have a very narrow brief on this. And that is the ruling by the british judge blocking the extradition was over the risk of suicide. That assange would face where he sent to prison. So whether or the the appeal by the merrick garland joe biden. Justice department of that adverse ruling can be expanded to include some of these allegations. We're gonna find out very soon. So let me ask you out jeff sessions. Who is the attorney. General at the time had no Had to say the least extremely anti julian assange but very opposed to the cia. Because he thought they would mess up the ability to extradite him and comparative dan ellsberg sure and listen. I mean some of this is sort of institutional bureaucratic you know turf protections. The justice department doesn't want the intelligence agencies mucking around on their cases in ways that could jeopardize the prosecution. and you mentioned daniel ellsberg. That's interesting. Because when i spoke to bury pollock the us lawyer for assange over the weekend. That's one of the first things. He raised that this could be evidence. If assange is extradited and brought to an american courtroom. his american lawyers would raise government. Misconduct is grounds for dismissal. And as pollock pointed out that's daniel ellsberg's lawyers succeeded on that very grounds ellsworth was being. We can gone a burst. And then when evidence came out about some of what. The nixon white house was planning. And did you know in one case breaking into his psychiatrist's office that was grounds for causing the weather of the assange. You know what that parallel will work on. We'll have to wait and see clearly. Some of these more extreme measures were implemented but some including was surveillance with assange from inside the embassy when he may have been talking to his lawyers or doctors and other fr- privilege having other privilege conversations that could factor into government misconduct motion. We went to bring in one of join a sanchez. Legal advisers chen robinson. But i have a respond to Al jazeera english white house correspondent. Kimberly hockett questioning white house. Press secretary jen. Psaki friday about the charges against wikileaks. Founder julian assange why biden is persisting is president biden keeping the trump era charges against julian. Assange why see allowing the prosecution from publishing the truth about human rights abuses in iraq afghanistan guantanamo and. Does the president believe the ongoing detention. The sasha's reasonable we've been moral given the transparency delivered the served. Well i don't have anything new to say on the on a julian assange and i point you the department of justice on that i would say though that we do think of ourselves and we are approaching this from an entirely different approach of the last few years as it relates to freedom of the press and i think the department of justice's actions as it relates to the prosecution of journalists. Or how we're going to look at our go. After records something that the attorney general made an.

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07:21 min | 2 months ago

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"Outside the embassy the l. Everybody within a three block radius. We were told was was likely working for one intelligence service or another There is a sort of second phase of all this. That's read which that comes up. And that is later in two thousand. And i should point out. The abduction rendition. Plans never got the approval from the from. The trump white house trump white house lawyers raised objections. Even went to the hill raise concerns about. Some of pompeo was up to but some of what was planning and the cio planning did go through and that includes audio visual surveillance of assange from inside the ecuadorian embassy and monitoring the communications travels of assange associate so aspects of the war on wikileaks. Their pompilio was declaring. D did get implemented. And that's that's confirmed for the first time in lots of allegations to this effect is confirmed for the first time in our piece but later in two thousand seventeen the us intelligence community gets information it fuses credible that russian operatives are on the ground in london preparing to spirit assange out of the embassy and onto a plane and fly him to moscow. And this this is when things really get ramped up. The trump trump white house at the highest levels get involved in planning and overseeing all sorts of plans and scenarios to thwart the feared russian escape of assange from the embassy. There work there were discussions about a potential gunbattle on the streets of london. This was done in consultation with with british authorities. Who made it clear that if there was going to be any shooting they would do it. There was also plans for stopping. The russian aircraft from taking off from the united kingdom plans to shoot the tires on the airplane. Have helicopters stationed to hct over to prevent the airplane from taking off there. Were there was a lot of wild jason bourne stuff going on to prevent what. Us officials feared was going to be a russian assisted escape from them to see. And my wondering. I mean the revelations in your in your article are shocking. But they shouldn't be surprising given the history of the cia. Whether it's it's the patrice lumumba or the hunt for che guevara or The cia has always been in the business of these assassinations and conditions. But doesn't it really late arrest any doubt that what has been happening to. Julian assange all of these years from sweet original. Swedish charges was really being engineered by the united states is effort to get him as a result of the wikileaks disclosures. While they're certainly lots of questions raised by all this. I mean You know whether the sweetest charges can be put on the cia. I don't have any information to to to back that up. But certainly i think There's going to be already sort of calls for An investigation into this certainly questions for the cia. But also i think most immediately There's this extradition case before the british courts and every indication that there are folks gleaming asandra legal team that want bring some of this to the attention of the british courts as grounds for blocking the extradition of assange to country. Some of whose officials were talking about kidnapping and assassinating him. Not too many years ago whether that works or not. I don't know the british court sir. Have a very narrow brief on this. And that is the ruling by the british judge blocking the extradition was over the risk of suicide. That assange would face where he sent to prison. So whether or the the appeal by the merrick garland joe biden. Justice department of that adverse ruling can be expanded to include some of these allegations. We're gonna find out very soon. So let me ask you out jeff sessions. Who is the attorney. General at the time and no Had to say the least extremely anti julian assange but very opposed to the cia. Because he thought they would mess up the ability to extradite him and comparative dan ellsberg sure and listen. I mean some of this is sort of institutional bureaucratic you know turf protections. The justice department doesn't want the intelligence agencies mucking around on their cases in ways that could jeopardize the prosecution. and you mentioned daniel ellsberg. That's interesting. Because when i spoke to bury pollock the us lawyer for assange over the weekend. That's one of the first things. He raised that this could be evidence. If assange is extradited and brought to an american courtroom. his american lawyers would raise government. Misconduct is grounds for dismissal. And as pollock pointed out that's daniel ellsberg's lawyers succeeded on that very grounds ellsworth was being. We can gone a burs. And then when evidence came out about some of what the nixon white house was planning. And did you know in one case breaking into his psychiatrist's office that was grounds for causing the weather of the assange. You know what that parallel will work on. We'll have to wait and see clearly. Some of these more extreme measures were implemented but some including was surveillance with assange from inside the embassy when he may have been talking to his lawyers or doctors and other fr- privilege having other privilege conversations that could factor into government misconduct motion. We went to bring in one of join a sanchez. Legal advisers chen robinson. But i have a respond to Al jazeera english white house correspondent. Kimberly it questioning white house press. Secretary jen psaki. Friday about the charges against wikileaks. Founder julian assange biden is persisting. Why is president biden. Keeping the trump era charges against julian assange why see allowing the prosecution from publishing the truth about human rights abuses in iraq afghanistan guantanamo and. Does the president believe the ongoing attention. The sasha's reasonable we've been moral given the transparency delivered the served. Well i don't have anything new to say on the on a julian assange and i point you the department of justice on that i would say though that we do think of ourselves and we are approaching this from an entirely different approach of the last few years as it relates to freedom of the press and i think the department of justice's actions as it relates to the prosecution of journalists. Or how we're going to look at our go. After records something that the attorney general made an.

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07:21 min | 2 months ago

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"Outside the embassy the l. Everybody within a three block radius. We were told was was likely working for one intelligence service or another There is a sort of second phase of all this. That's read which that comes up. And that is later in two thousand. And i should point out. The abduction rendition. Plans never got the approval from the from. The trump white house trump white house lawyers raised objections. Even went to the hill raise concerns about. Some of pompeo was up to but some of what was planning and the cio planning did go through and that includes audio visual surveillance of assange from inside the ecuadorian embassy and monitoring the communications travels of assange associate so aspects of the war on wikileaks. Pompilio was declaring d did get implemented. And that's that's confirmed for the first time in lots of allegations to this effect is confirmed for the first time in our piece but later in two thousand seventeen the us intelligence community gets information it fuses credible that russian operatives are on the ground in london preparing to spirit assange out of the embassy and onto a plane and fly him to moscow. And this this is when things really get ramped up. The trump trump white house at the highest levels get involved in planning and overseeing all sorts of plans and scenarios to thwart the feared russian escape of assange from the embassy. Their work there were discussions about a potential gunbattle on the streets of london. This was done in consultation with with british authorities. Who made it clear that if there was going to be any shooting they would do it. There was also plans for stopping. The russian aircraft from taking off from the united kingdom plans to shoot the tires on the airplane. Have helicopters stationed to hct over to prevent the airplane from taking off there. Were there was a lot of wild jason bourne stuff going on to prevent what. Us officials feared was going to be a russian assisted escape from them to see. And my wondering. I mean the revelations in your in your article are shocking. But they shouldn't be surprising given the history of the cia Whether it's it's the patrice lumumba or the hunt for che guevara or The cia has always been in the business of these assassinations and conditions. But doesn't it really late arrest any doubt that what has been happening to. Julian assange all of these years. The sweet original swedish charges was really being engineered by the united states is effort to get him as a result of the wikileaks disclosures. While they're certainly lots of questions raised by all this. I mean You know whether the sweetest charges can be put on the cia. I don't have any information to to to back that up. But certainly i think There's going to be already sort of calls for an investigation into this. Certainly questions for the cia. But also i think most immediately There's this extradition case before the british courts and every indication that there are folks gleaming asandra legal team that want bring some of this to the attention of the british courts as grounds for blocking the extradition of assange to country. Some of whose officials were talking about kidnapping and assassinating him Not too many years ago whether that works or not. I don't know the british court sir. Have a very narrow brief on this. And that is the ruling by the british judge blocking the extradition was over the risk of suicide. That assange would face where he sent to prison. So whether or the the appeal by the merrick garland joe biden. Justice department of that adverse ruling can be expanded to include some of these allegations. We're gonna find out very soon. So let me ask you out jeff sessions. Who is the attorney. General at the time had no had to say the least extremely anti julian assange but very opposed to the cia because he thought they would mess up the ability to extradite him and comparative dan. Ellsberg sure and listen. I mean some of this is sort of institutional bureaucratic you know turf protections. The justice department doesn't want the intelligence agencies mucking around on their cases in ways that could jeopardize the prosecution. and you mentioned daniel ellsberg. That's interesting. Because when i spoke to bury pollock the us lawyer for assange over the weekend. That's one of the first things. He raised that this could be evidence. If assange is extradited and brought to an american courtroom. his american lawyers would raise government. Misconduct is grounds for dismissal. And as pollock pointed out that's daniel ellsberg's lawyers succeeded on that very grounds ellsworth was being. We can gone a burst. And then when evidence came out about some of what. The nixon white house was planning. And did you know in one case breaking into his psychiatrist's office that was grounds for causing the weather of the assange. You know what that parallel will work on. We'll have to wait and see clearly. Some of these more extreme measures were implemented but some including was surveillance with assange from inside the embassy when he may have been talking to his lawyers or doctors and other fr- privilege having other privilege conversations that could factor into government misconduct motion. We went to bring in one of join a sanchez. Legal advisers chen robinson. But i have a respond to Al jazeera english white house correspondent. Kimberly it questioning white house press. Secretary jen psaki. Friday about the charges against wikileaks. Founder julian assange. Why biden is persisting. Why is president biden. Keeping the trump era charges against julian assange why see allowing the prosecution from publishing the truth about human rights abuses in iraq afghanistan guantanamo and. Does the president believe the ongoing detention. The sasha's reasonable we've been moral given the transparency delivered the served. Well i don't have anything new to say on the on a julian assange and i point you the department of justice on that i would say though that we do think of ourselves and we are approaching this from an entirely different approach of the last few years as it relates to freedom of the press and i think the department of justice's actions as it relates to the prosecution of journalists. Or how we're going to look at our go. After records something that the attorney general made an.

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07:21 min | 2 months ago

"patrice lumumba" Discussed on Democracy Now! Audio

"Outside the embassy the l. Everybody within a three block radius. We were told was was likely working for one intelligence service or another There is a sort of second phase of all this. That's read which that comes up. And that is later in two thousand. And i should point out. The abduction rendition. Plans never got the approval from the from. The trump white house trump white house lawyers raised objections. Even went to the hill raise concerns about. Some of pompeo was up to but some of what was planning and the cio planning did go through and that includes audio visual surveillance of assange from inside the ecuadorian embassy and monitoring the communications travels of assange associate so aspects of the war on wikileaks at pompeii was declaring. D did get implemented. And that's that's confirmed for the first time in lots of allegations to this effect is confirmed for the first time in our piece but later in two thousand seventeen the us intelligence community gets information it fuses credible that russian operatives are on the ground in london preparing to spirit assange out of the embassy and onto a plane and fly him to moscow. And this this is when things really get ramped up. The trump trump white house at the highest levels get involved in planning and overseeing all sorts of plans and scenarios to thwart the feared russian escape of assange from the embassy. There work there were discussions about a potential gunbattle on the streets of london. This was done in consultation with with british authorities. Who made it clear that if there was going to be any shooting they would do it. There was also plans for stopping. The russian aircraft from taking off from the united kingdom plans to shoot the tires on the airplane. Have helicopters stationed to hct over to prevent the airplane from taking off there. Were there was a lot of wild jason bourne stuff going on to prevent what. Us officials feared was going to be a russian assisted escape from them to see. And my wondering. I mean the revelations in your in your article are shocking. But they shouldn't be surprising given the history of the cia. Whether it's it's the patrice lumumba or the hunt for chase guevarra or The cia has always been in the business of these assassinations and conditions. But doesn't it really late arrest any doubt that what has been happening to. Julian assange all of these years. South from the original swedish charges was really being engineered by the united states is effort to get him as a result of the wikileaks disclosures. There's certainly lots of questions raised by all this. I mean You know whether the sweetest charges can be put on the cia. I don't have any information to to to back that up. But certainly i think There's going to be already sort of calls for An investigation into this certainly questions for the cia. But also i think most immediately There's this extradition case before the british courts and every indication that there are folks gleaming asandra legal team that want bring some of this to the attention of the british courts as grounds for blocking the extradition of assange to country. Some of whose officials were talking about kidnapping and assassinating him. Not too many years ago whether that works or not. I don't know the british court sir. Have a very narrow brief on this. And that is the ruling by the british judge blocking the extradition was over the risk of suicide. That assange would face where he sent to prison. So whether or the the appeal by the merrick garland joe biden. Justice department of that adverse ruling can be expanded to include some of these allegations. We're gonna find out very soon. So let me ask you out jeff sessions. Who is the attorney. General at the time and no Had to say the least extremely anti julian assange but very opposed to the cia. Because he thought they would mess up the ability to extradite him and comparative dan ellsberg sure and listen. I mean some of this is sort of institutional bureaucratic you know turf protections. The justice department doesn't want the intelligence agencies mucking around on their cases in ways that could jeopardize the prosecution. and you mentioned daniel ellsberg. That's interesting. Because when i spoke to bury pollock the us lawyer for assange over the weekend. That's one of the first things. He raised that this could be evidence. If assange is extradited and brought to an american courtroom. his american lawyers would raise government. Misconduct is grounds for dismissal. And as pollock pointed out that's daniel ellsberg's lawyers succeeded on that very grounds ellsworth was being. We can gone a burst. And then when evidence came out about some of what. The nixon white house was planning. And did you know in one case breaking into his psychiatrist's office that was grounds for causing the weather of the assange. You know what that parallel will work on. We'll have to wait and see clearly. Some of these more extreme measures were implemented but some including was surveillance with assange from inside the embassy when he may have been talking to his lawyers or doctors and other fr- privilege having other privilege conversations that could factor into government misconduct motion. We went to bring in one of join a sanchez. Legal advisers chen robinson. But i have a respond to Al jazeera english white house correspondent. Kimberly hockett questioning white house. Press secretary jen psaki friday about the charges against wikileaks founder. Julian assange when biden is persisting is president biden keeping the trump era charges against julian assange. Why see allowing the prosecution from publishing the truth about human rights abuses in iraq afghanistan guantanamo and. Does the president believe the ongoing tension. The sasha's reasonable we've been moral given the transparency delivered the served. Well i don't have anything new to say on the on a julian assange and i point you the department of justice on that i would say though that we do think of ourselves and we are approaching this from an entirely different approach of the last few years as it relates to freedom of the press and i think the department of justice's actions as it relates to the prosecution of journalists. Or how we're going to look at our go. After records something that the attorney general made an.

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"patrice lumumba" Discussed on Democracy Now! Audio

Democracy Now! Audio

07:21 min | 2 months ago

"patrice lumumba" Discussed on Democracy Now! Audio

"Outside the embassy the l. Everybody within a three block radius. We were told was was likely working for one intelligence service or another There is a sort of second phase of all this. That's read which that comes up. And that is later in two thousand. And i should point out. The abduction rendition. Plans never got the approval from the from. The trump white house trump white house lawyers raised objections. Even went to the hill raise concerns about. Some of pompeo was up to but some of what was planning and the cio planning did go through and that includes audio visual surveillance of assange from inside the ecuadorian embassy and monitoring the communications travels of assange associate so aspects of the war on wikileaks. Their pompilio was declaring. D did get implemented. And that's that's confirmed for the first time in lots of allegations to this effect is confirmed for the first time in our piece but later in two thousand seventeen the us intelligence community gets information it fuses credible that russian operatives are on the ground in london preparing to spirit assange out of the embassy and onto a plane and fly him to moscow. And this this is when things really get ramped up. The trump trump white house at the highest levels get involved in planning and overseeing all sorts of plans and scenarios to thwart the feared russian escape of assange from the embassy. Their work there were discussions about a potential gunbattle on the streets of london. This was done in consultation with with british authorities. Who made it clear that if there was going to be any shooting they would do it. There was also plans for stopping. The russian aircraft from taking off from the united kingdom plans to shoot the tires on the airplane. Have helicopters stationed to hct over to prevent the airplane from taking off there. Were there was a lot of wild jason bourne stuff going on to prevent what. Us officials feared was going to be a russian assisted escape from them to see and my wandering. The revelations in your in your article are shocking. But they shouldn't be surprising given the history of the cia. Whether it's it's the patrice lumumba or the hunt for che guevara or The cia has always been in the business of these assassinations and conditions. But doesn't it really late arrest any doubt that what has been happening to. Julian assange all of these years from sweet original. Swedish charges was really being engineered by the united states is effort to get him as a result of the wikileaks disclosures. While they're certainly lots of questions raised by all this. I mean You know whether the sweetest charges can be put on the cia. I don't have any information to to to back that up. But certainly i think There's going to be already sort of calls for an investigation into this. Certainly questions for the cia. But also i think most immediately There's this extradition case before the british courts and every indication that there are folks gleaming asandra legal team that want bring some of this to the attention of the british courts as grounds for blocking the extradition of assange to country. Some of whose officials were talking about kidnapping and assassinating him Not too many years ago whether that works or not. I don't know the british court sir. Have a very narrow brief on this. And that is the ruling by the british judge blocking the extradition was over the risk of suicide. That assange would face where he sent to prison. So whether or the the appeal by the merrick garland joe biden. Justice department of that adverse ruling can be expanded to include some of these allegations. We're gonna find out very soon. So let me ask you out jeff sessions. Who is the attorney. General at the time had no had to say the least extremely anti julian assange but very opposed to the cia because he thought they would mess up the ability to extradite him and comparative dan. Ellsberg sure and listen. I mean some of this is sort of institutional bureaucratic you know turf protections. The justice department doesn't want the intelligence agencies mucking around on their cases in ways that could jeopardize the prosecution. and you mentioned daniel ellsberg. That's interesting. Because when i spoke to bury pollock the us lawyer for assange over the weekend. That's one of the first things. He raised that this could be evidence. If assange is extradited and brought to an american courtroom. his american lawyers would raise government. Misconduct is grounds for dismissal. And as pollock pointed out that's daniel ellsberg's lawyers succeeded on that very grounds ellsworth was being. We can gone a burs. And then when evidence came out about some of what the nixon white house was planning. And did you know in one case breaking into his psychiatrist's office that was grounds for causing the weather of the assange. You know what that parallel will work on. We'll have to wait and see clearly. Some of these more extreme measures were implemented but some including was surveillance from inside the embassy when he may have been talking to his lawyers or doctors and other fr- privilege having other privilege conversations that could factor into government misconduct motion. We went to bring in one of join a sanchez. Legal advisers chen robinson. But i have a respond to Al jazeera english white house correspondent. Kimberly hockett questioning white house. Press secretary jen. Psaki friday about the charges against wikileaks. Founder julian assange. Why biden is persisting. Why is president biden. Keeping the trump era charges against julian assange why see allowing the prosecution from publishing the truth about human rights abuses in iraq afghanistan guantanamo and. Does the president believe the ongoing detention. The sasha's reasonable we've been moral given the transparency delivered the served. Well i don't have anything new to say on the on a julian assange and point you the department of justice on that i would say though that we do think of ourselves and we are approaching this from an entirely different approach of the last few years as it relates to freedom of the press and i think the department of justice's actions as it relates to the prosecution of journalists or how we're going to look at our go after records something that the attorney general made an.

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Democracy Now! Audio

07:12 min | 6 months ago

"patrice lumumba" Discussed on Democracy Now! Audio

"Exterminate all the brutes, that's the trailer for The Epic HBO documentary series terminate all the brutes, which is available on HBO. And HBO Max Time Magazine said the series quote, May well be the most politically radical and intellectually challenging work of non-fiction ever made for television. Well, democracy Now is near me shake, and I recently interviewed real pack the Haitian filmmaker who directed exterminate all the brutes. He joined us from Paris, France. His past films include, I am not your negro about James Baldwin lumumba about the Congolese prime minister Patrice lumumba and the young Karl. Marx, I asked Raoul Peck to talk about how he went from making a film about James Baldwin to creating exterminate all the brutes, basically, a phone number. I am not your negro. You know, I went throughout the world with the film. I was fortunate to be able to see how the film was received in many different places and one of the Common Thread through that was the type of reaction that we, you just mentioned, like Senate, leader wage like my column. You know, this denial is somehow signed that they feel that they are in French now, they are attacked, there is a great fear about some sort of civilization going overboard and and it's for me it's a, you know, it's a sample that the type of like the type of propaganda. The type of abused that we have been subject to 4. During all these years, I'm old enough to have heard many other people like mid-summer, From Mitch McConnell and many others throughout the years. The only difference now is that we have the means to come to them. We have the means to tell the real story and that's exactly what I decided to do to. Once go, all put everything on the table without any semblance of of, you know, holding back my life punches. It was, you know, everything is on the table. I've been on the table for a long time except that it was in in Little Bits everywhere and because you know, sometimes social astrology and anthropology, Etc, politics have been cut up in little pieces. So we lost the wider perspective and the film does exactly that to bring us to the cost story, to have the whole Matrix of the last seven, hundred hundred years of basically, eurocentric ideologies. And narrative. What road back in providing this broader historical context, you trace the origins of contemporary, modern forms of biological racism to the Spanish Inquisition and the so-called purity of blood statutes that is Olympiad. So the Sangre that was a means of distinguishing off Christians from conversos that is Jews. But also Moore's from the pure blood of Christians. These laws you say are the antecedents of the ideologies of white supremacy for the first time in the world. The idea of race based on blood was enshrined into law. So, how should we want to stand the continuities between the purity of blood statutes and the forms of racist violence? We witnessed today because the entire argument of this month, Truly magnificent work is that the past is not really pronounced. It is, as you say, the past has a future that we can't anticipate. Well, the thing is that we are accustomed to not see history as a continuo t as you say, and we came from a very specific history and we are not, you know, some sort of try ballast, you know, tribe where that came up Norwich today. Civilization is basically an embedded in the capitalistic societies and, and that story started around the fan and electric Century with a first accumulation of riches, a compounding by killing and exiling of Jews. Killing Muslims, trying to go all the way to Jerusalem. And that does first Crusades we're able to, you know, create a lot of or not, create to, to basically extract wage A lot of riches that allows the the monarchy to be able to finance trips to Discovery, New Roads, to the East and in and the axles. Which it was of the so-called discovery of the new continent was not something they planned but it it and when it happened the basically cheated until they New Concept which is the concept of Discovery and from that day on you know you couldn't just go somewhere put a flag deploy military Affairs and say this is mine no matter who was on that land before. And and I remind you that at the time of Columbus, there were basically a hundred million people on both continent in in America. So you can imagine what it meant within a hundred years more more than ninety percent of them. We're totally annihilated. So it's it's a very specific moment in the history of the modern world for the US. It seems like it's just beginning of the new world but it's not. It's a continuo t of a lot of action that have been you know the source of European civilization basically. to a clip from exterminate all the brutes where you explain settler colonialism, From the beginning, the extension of the United States from sea to shining sea, was the intention and design of the countries bombing offensive, magnet attracted, European settlers, who this particular form of colonialism is called sensor colonialism. But as a system, it requires violent, it requires the elimination of the natives.

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"patrice lumumba" Discussed on Democracy Now! Audio

Democracy Now! Audio

07:38 min | 7 months ago

"patrice lumumba" Discussed on Democracy Now! Audio

"Expect. That's the trailer for the. Hbo documentary series exterminate all the brutes which is available on hbo and hbo. Max time magazine said the series quote may well be the most politically radical an intellectually challenging work of nonfiction. Ever made for television. Where joined by. The oscar nominated role. Pack who joins us from france. Who was born in. Haiti grew up and the democratic republic of the congo after his parents fled the duvalier dictatorship. His past films include. I am not your negro about james baldwin lumumba about the congolese prime minister the founding leader of congo patrice lumumba and the young karl marx role. Pack it's great to have you back on democracy now. This is an epic masterpiece. This four one hour documentary series. Can you talk about how you went from I am not your negro. Which was the story of james baldwin to creating this masterpiece. Well basically after. I am not your negro You know. I went throughout the world with the film I was fortunate to to be able to see how the film was. Receive many different places and one of the common thread through. That was the type of reaction that we you just mentioned like Senate leader mitch mcconnell. This denial is somehow assign that they feel that they are entrenched now. They are attacked There is great fear about some sort of civilization going over god. And it's for me it's a. It's a sample that the type of lies the type of propaganda type of abused that we have been subject to fall during all these years. I'm old enough to bird. Many other people like nick santoro mitch. Mcconnell and many others throughout the years the only difference now is that we have the means to come to them. We have the means to tell the real story. And exactly what i decided to do. to one score all put everything on the table weed out any semblance of holding back my punches. It was you know everything is under the table. I've been on the table for a long time except that it was in little bits. Everywhere and because signs social shoji anthropology etc politics have been cut up in little pieces so we lost the wider perspective and the found does exactly that to bring us to the core story to have the whole metrics of the last seven hundred years all basically eurocentric ideology and narrative back in providing this broader historical context you trace the origins of contemporary modern forms of biological racism to the spanish inquisition and the so-called purity of blood statutes. That is yet said the song that was a means of distinguishing old christians. From convinces that is jews. But also moore's from the pure blood of christians these laws you say are the antecedents of the ideology of white supremacy for the first time in the world. The idea of race based on blood was enshrined into law. So how should we understand the continuities between the purity of blood statutes and the forms of racist violence. We witnessed today because the entire argument of this truly magnificent work is that the past is not really. It is as you say. The pasta has a future that we can't anticipate well. The thing is that we are accustomed to not see history as a continuing as you say and we came from a very specific history and we are not you know some sort on tribalist tribe where that came up nowhere. Today's civilization is mickey and batted in the capitalistic societies. And that story started around the fan and the eleventh century with first accumulation of riches combating by killing an exiling of jews killing muslims. Trying to go all the way to jerusalem and that those first crusades where able to create a lot of or not create to to basically extract a lot of riches that allows the the monarchy to be able to finance trips to discovery new roads to the east and the accident which was on the so-called discovery of the new continent was not something they but it it and when it happened the basically created a totally new concept which is the concept discovery and from that day on. You know you could just go somewhere. Put the flag deploy military strength and say this is mine. Nobody who was on that land. Before and i remind you that At the time of columbus there were basically a hundred million people on both continent in america. So you can imagine what it meant. Within a hundred years more more than ninety percent of them were totally annihilated. So it's a very specific moment in the history of the modern world For the us. It seems like it's the beginning of the new world. But it's not a contingency of a lot of action that have been the source of european civilization basically a clip from exterminate. All the brutes. Where you explain. Settler from the beginning the extension of the united states from sea to shining sea was the intention design of the country's founders was the magnet attracted european settlers this particular form of colonialism is called sets communism but as a system it requires violence requires delamination of the natives.

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WBZ NewsRadio 1030

02:21 min | 1 year ago

"patrice lumumba" Discussed on WBZ NewsRadio 1030

"Challenges in these continue even after someone leaves the unit Johns Hopkins has created a special unit to help people who survived an ICU stay with Kobe at nineteen transition Megan Hosey a faculty member on the unit says first of all people need to be gentle with themselves I see you it's a lot like any other major life experience people happened so late is never the scene before and after you get married it's never the scene before and after the death of a parent I think I see you is very similar in that it is a challenging experience when I say they shouldn't expect life to look the same I just think that we're giving people a heads up that they've experienced a major life event and that might be how they perceive it he says acknowledging the challenges of critical illness is the foundation of healing at Johns Hopkins I'm Elizabeth Tracey H. Q. twenty six even as Boston's museum of fine arts remains close curators are still busy at work building out the museum's contemporary art collection the MFA is now pledging to purchase works by twenty four artists living here in the US nearly all of the artists will be entering the museum's collection for the very first time the acquisitions are set to kick off in June starting with a piece of work dedicated to immigrant workers and another honoring the first democratically elected prime minister of the Democratic Republic of Congo Patrice Lumumba hi Kylie Jenner not happy at all with the forest magazine after an apparent article claim she's not really a billionaire Forbes published an article investigating fraud and generous tax returns adding her business says are less profitable than what she reported meanwhile Jenner's lawyers are firing back they're telling us weekly that the article is filled with nonsense and outright lies and they are demanding the publication issue an apology and a retraction last year Forbes names Jenner the youngest self made billionaire it's two twenty eight coming up next at two thirty at the latest on protests all across the nation including right here in Boston in response to the recent death of George Floyd and Minneapolis and that officer former officer show van with his knee and Floyd snack in that video.

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"patrice lumumba" Discussed on WBZ NewsRadio 1030

WBZ NewsRadio 1030

02:12 min | 1 year ago

"patrice lumumba" Discussed on WBZ NewsRadio 1030

"For fans the idea of just sitting here in a gentle atmosphere with nice music and a hot dog or something fancy if you want is something that touches the baseball soul that thrives in all of us PawSox executive vice president of business Dan ray says with this being their last season in Pawtucket it would have been a shame to just let the stadium sit empty with baseball season on hiatus in question about when we might be back we have this beautiful ballpark in a staff full of employees who are eager to work with fans angry fans in the ballpark this for us is a great opportunity Kevin Tunnicliffe WBZ Boston news radio even as Boston's museum of fine arts remains close curators are still very busy at work building out the MFA's contemporary art collection the MFA is pledging down to purchase works by twenty four artists living here in the US nearly all of the artists will be entering the museum's collection for the very first time the acquisitions are set to kick off in June starting with a piece of work dedicated to immigrant workers and another honoring the first democratically elected prime minister of the Democratic Republic of Congo Patrice Lumumba **** eleven await want to check in now with Bloomberg bicycle makers and their retail partners are peddling as fast as they can to keep up with the surge in sales of bikes considered an essential business amid the corona virus pandemic Detroit bikes a supplier to Dick's sporting goods is just one manufacturer seeing phenomenal growth Susan Eustis leads wintergreen research its sales jumped six hundred and forty five percent in April and a thousand ninety six percent in may meanwhile the owner of around a dozen west coast shops is bikes are flying out the door Eustace's cycling is an appealing option for Americans wary of other modes of transit they don't want to ride the bus they don't want to ride the subway there freedom getting infected and the bicycle just seems like a better alternative for commuting and getting places family members can also be outside and still spend time together save you know they're not exposing themselves to the virus they can wear masks and be somewhat protected plunging a survey Bloomberg business on WBZ Boston news radio opening.

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"patrice lumumba" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM

WNYC 93.9 FM

06:46 min | 2 years ago

"patrice lumumba" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM

"Is fresh air I'm Terry gross let's get back to my interview with Stephen Kinzer about his new book poisoner in chief Sidney Gottlieb and the CI a search for mind control in the fifties and early sixties got Lee patted the secret CIA program M. K. ultra which conducted experiments to see if LSD and other mind altering drugs could be weaponized as a form of mind control got Lee was also the C. I. A.'s chief chemist creating poisons and unusual ways of surreptitiously administering them should they be needed to kill enemies including world leaders any head of the program that created high tech gadgets for spice. one of the users got leave envisioned for LSD was you could slip it to an unfriendly world leader and their behavior would be so a radic and weird that they lose popularity or they'd be thrown out of office because they would appear to not be able to function normally anymore. you're right so godly was the chief CIA chemist in that capacity he was also the chief poison maker so he made the poisons to kill show in life you know Castro Patrice Lumumba but he wasn't only involved in making poisons to kill people he was also interested in making toxins that would affect their behavior in various ways. he made a list of the ways you thought to our he thought drugs could be used to affect behavior could you find a drug that would alter personality structure in a way that would allow the operator to take control of another person's behavior could you produce shock and confusion or physical disablement at one point he came up with the idea of using a spray can full of LSD to pollute the studio in which Fidel Castro was going to give a radio speech and then presumably caster would become disoriented and as you say you lose popularity and fall from power this is the level of bizarre locks the he became involved with when he was hired as part of a separate aspect of his job besides M. K. ultra to be the person who devised toxins and psycho active substances to be used in covert operations by CIA officers around the world so this is a little side bar that I found very interesting as somebody who listens to a lot of jazz the people who Sidney Gottlieb hired included George hunter white who directed a lot of the M. K. alter experiments and he had been a narcotics agent and let the narcotics bureaus campaign against jazz in New York City he spied on musicians and trap them including Billie Holiday. and Billie Holiday being busted was a turning point in her career because she couldn't get a cabaret license their places she couldn't perform and it was it was a really tragic thing for her and that's this guy. George hunter white was one of the key operatives of M. K. ultra and he stands out even in this extremely bizarre M. K. ultra cast of **** doctors and torturers and obsessed chemists so George under white as you say was narcotics agent in New York but he was a kind of narcotics agent who not only lived at the edge of the law he crossed over a lot he used all the substances that he confiscated from people his his any use of alcohol in narcotics was legendary but he was also a cop who did pursue jazz figures including Billie Holiday he had a special this light for her because he said of the way that she flaunted her for sent her a big cars was offensive to hand while I'm in the early nineteen fifties Gottlieb hired this guy George hunter white to run a safe house forum in New York City to which people would be lord off the street and then given LSD so a C. I. A. officers could watch them from an adjoining apartment through a one way mirror later white was moved to San Francisco where he set up one of the craziest M. K. ultra projects that was known inside the agency as operation midnight climax this was an operation in which white would assemble a stable of prostitutes who would bring their men back to an apartment that the CIA hired and furnish feed them LSD and George under right would sit in an adjoining apartment sitting on a portable toilet drinking pictures of martinis while watching people having sex under the influence of LSD with a vague idea that this was somehow going to help the United States defeat communism so these are the kind of people that naturally gravitate to a project like this one when the men were having sex with prostitutes and were unknowingly given doses of LSD where they then ask questions to. see what their answers would be like under LSD. exactly so white and the people who work with him would trap these prostitutes and they would say well we want to find out under what circumstances under what combination of sex and drugs a man would be most likely to reveal secrets so we want you to stay with the guy after the thing is over and talk to them and try to draw him out about his work and ask him for example you know that plane you been working on so how high does it fly really and the idea was to try to draw out information and to see whether drugs could make people talk and of course they found out things that are very obvious that people will talk man we'll talk after sex and the people who work observing these experiments like George hunter white had no background in psychology or anything that would allow them to assess these situations in a clinical way everything was very slapdash and haphazard so not surprisingly no serious results ever came out of this except the fact that we can now sit here and talk about the fact that our tax dollars were used to pay for a board tell all run by the CIA in San Francisco to which on waiting men were brought Fidel is D. and used as experiments and in Sidney Gottlieb's campaign to try to figure out how to penetrate the human mind so it could be controlled in the interests of the United States government and its covert projects around the world well there's plenty more to talk about but we have to take a short break here if you're just joining us my guest to Stephen Kinzer his new book is called poisoner in chief Sidney Gottlieb and the CI a search for mind control we'll be right back this is fresh AIR W..

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"patrice lumumba" Discussed on KQED Radio

KQED Radio

06:23 min | 2 years ago

"patrice lumumba" Discussed on KQED Radio

"I mean, I think history can teach us a lesson here, which is if you look at the, the history of the incentives that we've put in place to make investments in the Konami work does very intentional. So we encourage companies as you said, investing capital. We allow them to depreciated right at all because we know that investments and capital good for the economy. We've done the same thing with things like on detects credits because we know that if economy, invest in our in d improves competitiveness, so we allow companies to do you got on detects incentive and credits and all kinds of things we have not been as intentional to the work and the workforce as much, and that's what I would be running on that on, how do we strengthen the worker in an age where unions are not going to be there to do that? And so that governments really have to step in because the political clout and economic how unions for lots of reasons. Globalization technology is just not. Going to be there like it was before. Maybe there are laws that can you pass to make that. So that's a struggle. And at the same time, I think be much more intentional about public investment. And not letting people opt out on, you know, to drive a flight gated communities of private plane just opt out of the economy and. And that's a real that to me, is that these debates we should having. There was getting politics here, but there was no good time in my view for Donald Trump to be president. I states but in the middle of three climate changes is a very bad time. He doesn't believe in the first, I would argue doesn't understand the second to. And, and so there's no one navigating and the reason that's important is when, when, when the world is fast, small errors, navigation have huge consequences. It's like the pilot of a seven forty seven just transposing two numbers as the enters in evocation data. You know, the ones where the zero isn't as some of your fifty thousand miles off course. And the pain of getting back, on course could be enormous, and we may be living through that. Well, it's we are the defense counsel. So let's take a small creek digital to another topic. We haven't talked about, you know, how does all of this look from the point of view of the rest of the world. Right. In some ways, you've had a very kind of advanced econ. Jimmy developed economy viewing compensation. So if you're sitting in Bangladesh, Pakistan, pots of Africa pot about in America on the one hand, this has been a wonderful time from the point of view of poverty reduction, and taking people out of poverty. One of the things I think, is quite striking. Is that if you look at the last twenty thirty years, the shin number of people who've come out of poverty globally? I think the number eight hundred million people, that's a big deal. That's a big deal. So you'd look at it from that point of view. And you say good positive direction momentum. And you might even say the same thing with example, things like tendons of living and health access to health access to technology and all of that. But I think one of the things I worry about now, from the point of view of, of developing countries is, they're also going to get hit by some of these climate changes with talking about one of those is the fact that I think it used to be the case. If you're poor developing country. The pathway was you go from being agrarian economy, you industrialize and you and all you become a source of cheap labor for the rest of the world. And that's kind of how you get on the way and eventually often on you go that path is not as short as it used to be technology on the reasons why it said if you can do three D printing, Tobon, three D printing technology, and so forth. You may not need cheap labor as much as you used to meet. In fact, I've talked to one of my good friends is the comms, Danny Rodrigue pays a lot of attention to developing countries and one things that he's coined attempt for this, which is called kind of premature, industrialization, where that pathway may not long be right as a valuable, and so he's talked to think, and then there's some countries that have done okay because they happened to fall into the via chain. Oh, ecosystem of a US China, and that's probably fine. So think of Vietnam. So forth. But you've got countries that are not part of that. So I think there's a question about how do we think about what it looks like for those countries? So the way I think about it is that. The broadest trend gyms, what we're living through, I believe, is that average is over. So average is over for every worker averages over country Abbas over for every company. An average is over for the climate to and for those of us who grew up in the fifties sixties, and seventies is kind of golden era where my uncle in Minneapolis was the lone officer at in nineteen sixty two for the farmers and mechanics Bank. And the only had a high school degree. Is there a loan officer at any Bank in America, Norte, only as I school degree? So my uncle had something called the high wage middle skill job. He was middle skilled in the highway in a world of protected walls, slower American, you could have that. Okay. So average is also over every country and by that what I mean, what I mean by that, is that the fifty years after World War Two not only great for average workers. They were great forever countries. Oh if you're an average country that. As your era. Why first of all, there were two superpowers competing for your affection. Throwing foreign aid at you throwing military equipment at you building your government house, educating your kids at Patrice Lumumba university of Moscow or San Francisco state, here, you could be Syria, and loose three counts three wars, Israel and get your army rebuilt for free. All three times. Okay. I was fantastic. Secondly climate change was very moderate. Populations were under control. No one had a cell phone to see what Paris looked like or Phoenix or actually, the leader in the in the valley next door. And China was not in the World Trade Organization. So everybody could be in the low wage textile business. I would argue all that flips in the twentieth century now. No superpower wants to touch you because all they win is.

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"patrice lumumba" Discussed on Intercepted with Jeremy Scahill

Intercepted with Jeremy Scahill

04:55 min | 3 years ago

"patrice lumumba" Discussed on Intercepted with Jeremy Scahill

"The iphone and so on, and it's very important to say that however much there is kind of this dismay about the Chinese intervention in Africa that actually most of the companies that are able to work to mind these goods, actually, not Chinese many of them are Canadian Canadian firms like Barrick, and so on which dominate the mining in these parts of the world, and what you've seen is that these mining companies, they pay these countries revenues based on a very deflated price for the goods within the Congo. They keep the. Price low. So they say the government will give you twenty percent of the put ton of coal tens price. But the price is only. So so many hundred dollars soon as it crosses the border. The price increases this is what we call mispricing so places like the Congo have essentially been plundered and stolen from for over one hundred years. They haven't been able to build up any kind of public finances. They haven't been able to build up a proper institutions to take care of the people of the Congo Zambia. Wherever every time, there's an election, the State Department and all Europeans. Everybody says, well, they're moving towards democracy. I mean, if you are pliant government, then you're stolen election is validated. If you're not applying government, this is coming back to Venezuela. Then you're going to be told your election was fraudulent. So they have had fraudulent election after elections, and it got to such a point that Joseph Kabila simply. Refused to have an election. His term ended in twenty sixteen. He just refused to allow an election to take place. And nobody said peep, there was no statement about moving American troops into Tanzania nothing why. Because essentially all the minerals are being looted from that country. So as long as you have a pliant government and Kabila was plying. They allowed him to keep going even though his mandate ended in two thousand sixteen you had these massive protests. Yes, Lumumba inspired youth. But also, you know, some of them devout Christian groups and so on out on the street demanding change the pressure was too high the allowed an election did taught that Kabila's his successor would come in. And here's the whole trick of it. What is the democracy who can afford to build a political party necessarily, you get people from the elite who built the opposition? And here. Yes. Of course. It's Exxon Mobil executive who becomes the face of the opposition. I mean, there is no real opposition in a country like Congo until it's built from the grassroots from these young people, and so on and that is why Jeremy I'm sorry to say that for at least a generation places like the Congo will not be able to have a robust political movements movements that will have any kind of impact in the electoral domain. I also wanna remind people of the history of the Congo which was under the brutal reign of Belgian colonialism, and then you have the backed government of Mobutu Sese Seko who ran that country with extreme brutality and kept it open for US president after US president of the Congolese Republic advanced on talk. It was independence day at an honor page was get unto those who would help to general Mobutu. On his way to the presidency. You also had Dwight Eisenhower authorizing the CIA to develop a chemical poison that was made to look like toothpaste that they wanted to try to assassinate Patrice Lumumba with we've seen so many of these independence movements or nationalist movements in Africa and Asia around the global south just be completely obliterated or severely damaged in the ensuing decades of imperialist encroachment around the world. I mean, every time you look at an African country. When young leader is produced that comes up with an agenda that is not plying to mining companies not blind to the western capitals that person is killed almost immediately. And I think people need to really reflect on that reflect on the assassinations of how Boma deem at the north of the country in Algiers all the way down to Chris Hani at the south as we wrap up VJ. I wanted to get your big picture take on the the ascent of Donald Trump to the chamber of ultimate power in the United States set. Donald Trump's rise to power in the context of all of this history that you and I have been discussing..

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"patrice lumumba" Discussed on Intercepted with Jeremy Scahill

Intercepted with Jeremy Scahill

03:24 min | 3 years ago

"patrice lumumba" Discussed on Intercepted with Jeremy Scahill

"However, they plan to surround the state assembly to press. Their demands of a complete loan Wavell, pay and transfer all divorcee land to farmers who have been telling it for years and force the right-wing state government to accede to the demands. So what I'm saying is that we've moved from suicide to the politicize ation of their gradient crisis decide an enormous impact in three state elections last year, and it's because of this farmers protest, which has been organized by the left, by the communists, by the socialists and others constituents of the left front because of these farmers protests. You've seen a shift in the political needle away from the BJP to what we are disappearing because the BJP cannot win seats in south India because it's going to have a hard time in those agrarian states, and because it's going to lose in this very large state of predation to this new alliance of socialists, and oppress Kaz parties. Because of that. There is no way the BJP is going to get a plurality in the parliament. And I think in fact, it will it will not be able to form a government in April. And may of this coming this year last month was the anniversary of the assassination of Patrice Lumumba. The independence leader in Congo. Who was the first prime minister of the independent Democratic Republic of Congo. Zero need. We have known mockery insults. Blows from morning to night because we were negroes. That's I Kennedy Joan dinette. We knew that low was never the same whites on blocks. They who would forgive the filings courts. The brutal arrests of those who refused to bow to the regime of injustice oppression and exploitation. This show index. He was assassinated and the United States, we know for a fact had previously plotted to assassinate him just recently there were elections in Congo. And you had the election of Felix Shifa caddy. He is now Congo's fifth president taking over from Joseph Kabila, you recently with come by Mussa bully wrote a piece about the legacy of the crisis in Congo, and Patrice Lumumba inspired youth are trying to break the culture of plunder and corruption that has been foisted upon the political system in Congo. Explain today's crisis how it began in Congo the significance of this new election. And the fact that the so-called opposition in Congo right now is headed by a former Exxon Mobil executive. It's not just a situation of the Congo. You have to look at this belt that runs through the. The center of Africa, including Zambia, including any country in the center of Africa, and many of them that are rich in railroad minerals in various raw materials from cobalt, which is an essential ingredient in electric batteries to coltan which is essential for the smartphones,.

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"patrice lumumba" Discussed on KGO 810

KGO 810

12:11 min | 3 years ago

"patrice lumumba" Discussed on KGO 810

"Dude. What did Trump? What if you just go? That's going be a cop. Tonight and tomorrow night. What's up man last that? Well, no I've seen us. Maybe I since you went to you perform your Russia August, so was probably you saw me before. Then get crazy. You know? 'cause it's it's you know, every year with this guy, you're talking about Trump right there. It's insane. I, you know, I think that I think that we were talking about this earlier and the whole idea of nuance with this guy this there's none there right now. And it's in comedy clubs. It's really important to be able to have a little bit of nuance to be able to take something, and you know, Mr. X people, you know, us they're their they're they're solid idea. What this is. And then you know, throw it back at them. But. Imagine, you know, I'm new I lived in DC for a while. I live right near the Russian embassy, which was crazy too. You know? I live next door. They Israeli embassy Israel. Oh, yeah. Well, they were nice people Israel already. Yeah. Every day every day. Coming more and more into my yard. It was kind of a says. Oh, what was that? Like russia. It was awesome. It was fascinating. And whatever you think about Russia. I it is. It's just hard core. Just you Moscow Moscow. And it was hard core. Just you can feel it. You know what? I mean. It's beautiful like a history of Russia. You know, you learn Russian history from Dutch Ascii to, you know, Stanislavsky you I studied as an actor study studying I went to stanislavsky's house, actually where he taught people in the eighteen hundreds and early nineteen hundreds nearly oh the Stanislavsky as and I studied I read his books, I read his books, and, you know, just learning about Putin Alexander Pushkin who is an African who was quarter African he was as his grandfather was in Africa. And then I learned a lot. And then I saw African students in the middle of Russia. There's this is this Patrice Lumumba university. Patrice Lumumba was actually like the Malcolm X of the Congo. He was a civil rights leader. And they have like a university named after him the middle Russian. There's all these Africans out of nowhere. It's Russia's a trip. He plays. But it's run with an iron hand, man. Unlike. Right. Yeah. Real deal since the days of Brezhnev, even Ivan the terrible would they call Yvonne Grozny, which means terrible. It's like they've always been run by hardcore. Did you ever read the fixer? I've seen that. That book in high school, and I've read a later in college. And I just think about like, you know, now, of course, I don't know if you heard, but the the these starting tomorrow. Our nuclear short range missile deal with Russia's gone. Okay. So that and that's like, you know, I grew up in that Cold War in DC. Yeah. Yeah. The whole Russian thing we had Mike McFaul in here. I don't know six months ago. So he's a former ambassador under Obama to Russia when he was there. Right. And just talking about that that whole experience. So it's like doing comedy over. They did you did you have to like, obviously, you it was called Trump. References was different comedy festival. It was their second annual. They've only been doing stand up comedy seven years kind of room was there. It was is is club called stand up club number one club. He he named it. Number one is guide. These two guys were like Russian improv guys a name that number one because they go if they build any other club where the number one. That's funny. He's like, you know, and there's another club called stand ups store. It's hilarious. This is the store. And I and I actually did a would you do that? Would you do the impression for them? Did they didn't understand English writer? Imagine a few a few. Comics that see the festival was pretty cool because it was comedians from all over Russia is becka STAN Turkistan the caucus mountain Siberia coming from places like just real far away places all congregated like Armenian, Russians, Jewish Russia's all these Russians all came into one area, and we did performances, and there were they had Russian rose battles, which it was hilarious because I didn't know what they were talking about. They're just both their dog, you know, 'cause they love Jeff Ross Perot. So I was gonna say. Rose battle. We have russe Bethel. Jeff Ross is this and they love Louis C K. They were like when do can we Louis CK when he come back. Cops tonight tomorrow night. Yes. What did they understand? I see Trump. But was there did you? When you talk about Trump was now. Talk. No, I always said how gangsta Putin was. I talked about high gangster. He was. Four. His name is Vladimir led the mortgage Putin. And they said, my friend said Vladimir means taking power and Vladimirovich means taking more power. Putin junior. Impressionable? Yeah. I did Obama. I did I they loved it. I mean, they're they're very hip because everybody's there was comedic minded, you know, comedy fans, they knew my stuff they see my shows. They see my specials. The traditional stuff to call back. Yeah. Stephon years, they're building it slowly. And they have to be careful even a Russian comics can't really talk about Putin in public. They have to be very careful. They've gotten all sorts of trouble. They show. You know, how we can make fun of him on SNL? We can clown them. Putin doesn't play that actually when you turn the TV on Putin's on horseback with no shirt on. No, he's in a second. He's like a sex symbol. You better you better like it. And you can see the attraction between him and Trump because they're both got this like real forty shortcoming that they just have to work on every day. Yeah. And it's it's Putin. I think Putin is better because he's he just doesn't say a lot. He just he just moves in silence. So you see more. There's more of a fear factor. Because you don't know what he's thinking Trump just looks like a clown. He just we say dumb crab, always on Twitter is Putin. Always on Twitter know, Putin moves like a real gay, sir. As it were gangster country, America were gangsters. That's how we got. That's how America got controlled. By folks, you guessed it it. Let's be real. Yeah. We are. We are about gangster stuff. We about Vegas was built by gangsters. It's all everything's Ma. When we landed here. It was like you do as we say or I'll kill you. We're going to kill you. Anyway. Mob stops has that style. But Trump just I think Trump, I think it's more of the reputation Trump is giving us that people are more pissed about. I mean, he screw it up a lot of stuff, whatever. But we act like this is new, but I just think it's the it's the reputation of how we look at how he's clowning us. You know what I mean? Like, no, we know we know where we were full of it. We know we we know we're corrupt. But there's a look we gotta have partner. You ain't come on, bro. I mean, you know, can you ruining you'll corny, bro? I with my friends in Europe, I s some people live in France and England, and especially the English the thing that bothers him the most about him is. He has absolutely right. No maturity at about the way, we talked earlier about the whole idea of nuance. He was today. Talking about did interviews the New York Times. Right, right. The United States million things going on everything from immigration to Syria. Right. Yeah. And he starts talking about. Mooney taking this job. Right. Didn't you may do an Obama? I think that's the hardest impression to do. I mean. Might Trump is nasty. Let me hear you try to you didn't hear it. You people are great. Oh, who cares? You people are amazing. I don't really care about people. That's very good. Trump's nasty nasty Obama's hard. If you have really, but not a lot of comics just tired of Trump. I just really I just I just want him to go. I mean, the guy's an idiot. You know, we just gotta move on someone else. I I could just bow. That thing he has at the end is that a southern thing when he goes up like that. That's just the way he talks, he's you know, he thinks I know. I know in Indonesia in Hawaii. Yeah. Chicago. That's just how he talks. It's just I don't think there's any you can't really don't know where he's from. He has to tell you. You know, what I mean, traveling is black comic you see? Because we, you know, I every time I thought we were I thought we'd repaired a lot of stuff. Know, I started you're going to repair it. It's white men. They gotta stop all this series. Because the congress is ninety seven percent white everything is white and I'm being. Hey, all white dudes are controlling our lives. I mean, like the all white dude that don't like guys that look like me. I mean, come on unless you know, unless I'm scoring touchdowns. I mean, let's be real. So that's what has to change. Everybody else is trying to change. But it's the powers that be that look like gods like you. What's your guy in congress? I am I have white privilege. I tell people why people. Hey, dear. But, you know, the the thing about that is is I think that that Louis C K said the thing about if you know like you can go back in time anytime, there's whiteness great. I don't know about the future you might want to wait minute. It's a great joke. I like this the black face at teacher in Sacramento if you heard. And then today the governor of Virginia. Okay. When he was in med school took a picture next to guy and black face and again had Klan outfit on. Yeah. Why are we surprised I mean surprised by white guy antics? Yes. I mean, you know, it was surprise me not demeaning or racist. White, dude. That's what we'll surprise me. I'm I'm I'm nice trying to be me, man. I mean, I live in his skin. I know what I'm talking about going to school, white universities. I try my best to be like, let's see what happens. What that surprise me with like being like, not racist surprised me just being human beings, not saying that you're not human beings. Let's be real. It's not misconstrue. What I'm saying? But enough with the denying what do you mean, we control every shut up? Stop like, it's like men saying we don't treat women like crap. Stop it. We're the ones that are the rapist. We're the ones men men you can blame people for things you'd literally can go men are the ones that abuse women. We're the ones that do it. We are. It's pra-. Impossible as a white man for you to insult me. It's it's pretty much get insulted. It's not real. It's not really like this. What I what I'm powerful. That's what you need to do. You might not be able to say it's like messing with Panos who was the guy on welcome back kotter the black actor on that Laura's Jacob today. I met him about he's phenomenal twenty years ago. And he said that so much crappy got when he calls me talk like a white guy that remember that he would do that white guys? And he said people like he'd be stopped and train stations and white people in his face. And you're like how does that it is funny because I think a lot of people wanna white people don't know what the the origins of black face. Aw. Do they know that they might know this offensive, then when you go back, and you watch some of the they still have some of those videos. It's it's really in Amsterdam during Christmas. Dutch comedy for like seven years and during Christmas, they have this thing called Santa Claus in swat swat at the pizza means black, Peter, right? And they would have a Santa Claus. And these people in black faces helpers, we have black face and the black Dutch people who are from usually from Suriname and carousel because Dutch colonies, they would they're protesting in the white Dutch people like it's tradition. I love FOX. They find one black guy to say, it doesn't bother me and say see, it's okay. He's he's a he's a he's doing they pretend like there's like two or three packs. You know, the sheriff cat that guy. A sick, dude. Like, his well, that's somebody who hates the fact that they're black..

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"patrice lumumba" Discussed on Monocle 24: Midori House

Monocle 24: Midori House

04:20 min | 3 years ago

"patrice lumumba" Discussed on Monocle 24: Midori House

"But you understand is the second opponent the one who arrives second. So yes, oh, the suspicion is how come suddenly this opponent is already to cooperate with the president. And that would be an original pattern in an election that the main opponent repeals not to be an opponent anymore once heroes in power, and okay, she it is a big name in in Congo. Father was a historical opponent to to the dictatorship of Mobutu. So he has this kind of statues like he has to be an opening because this father was historical opponent. It appears that it doesn't have exactly the same personality and the suspicion is that he could be manipulated by by cabbie very cleverly would have managed to to to make him play his own game. Let's look at that the potential relationship between these two guys because there is the argument that logically, it would make sense for the winner to work with the man he's replacing because let's be clear about this Kabaeva has very very powerful links in the army and the security services and at the end of the day, you are nothing without the military behind you directly. And he's been in eighteen very long years and. This one possibly positive. I mean, Florence is is much more knowledgeable about the DRC the Niamh, but I know Bhutto Patrice Lumumba Kabila. I mean, what a catalog of disaster this poor country has suffered for and the driver is. Rich countries which would justify justifies, but it it pains. So if you could get some form of stability and try to wrest control of some of these natural resources away from the foreign powers that they don't plunder it. But they seem to be doing very well that corporates are actually involved in the government is China's huge they're under this. So I'm trying to come back to you to your question. The that the does seem to be some shenanigans that that have gone on. It does look like that KEB Kabila has is accepting this victory because he knows with the proportion of the vote that went for his candidate. And the proportion of the vote that went for the Victor the middle guy gets squeezed out. And they can do a deal and get some some sort of stability. Now if Johnson's. I think the best thing for the is simply stability. There was one thing. I wanted to ask Florence. I mean, I know those forty thousand of the Catholic church observers. I don't fully understand their role. What is their role in all this? Why why are they the ones that we observe the important as I I mean, they had a motor thirty. They are not the electoral commission. So they couldn't properly read. I mean, the name of the candidates, I guess, but they have their informants, and it's kind of control control commission in a way. So that's why what they say is still important for the people. But but I agree with you. I mean, whatever the result is so far what's positive is that there are no violence show. But let's wait and see. I mean, it can still happen. If the other openings the number two like also has been supported by France in a way because France intervened to say, oh, yes, we have the feeling it's not the right candidate that has been electing. So african. I was quite surprised. I thought those time or behind us, but that was one of the first country to react anyway. So if they're there is kind of insistent on the candidate like to to really go and complain about. Complain. Still be some violence. But I agree. The first good news woes, it seems that could be a transition even if it's not a real alternative like two to the present power that would lead the country not to more violence as stability. I don't know. But at least to tourists certain level of peace in India electoral process, which already is good because everybody was fearing violence in the. It is amazing given given congress history, and particularly the history of this election the controversy surrounding it. There hasn't been any violence..

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