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"pat richter" Discussed on WTMJ 620
"I'm Greg Nancy more of Barry Alvarez in his conversation with Craig Karmazin and Mark Tauscher, who asked Alvarez to describe his relationship with former athletic director Pat Richter to be able to do that to come in to have that kind of autonomy. There has to be a trust between Pat Richter, who had brought you in. And I mean, so, how is that feeling out process first to know that Pat was a guy who would let you do what you needed to do. And then him being like, Whoa, whoa, whoa. Can you really like I mean, I understand. How did that go? Pat? You know he played here. Professional football, But he's a businessman. He's with Oscar Mayer. He really had. He really didn't know the answer to a rules or the operation. He was. He's learning. He's learning on the run The NC two. I got to run it. Apartment and that type thing basic. Leave me alone. You know, I know the rules. I'm not going to break the rules. Uh, you know, I've been with good programs and I'm going to run this the right way. Um and Pat Did give me total autonomy to run the program and we know what we're doing, and he had confidence in US and And he you know, Pat realized you wanna have a good athletic program. You gotta win in football. And, uh, We make, you know, we made quick strides. That second year we're playing with babies. Their you know their true freshman and and and the guys that had to play the year before. They weren't physically ready. But Man, we, you know, Had those guys been with us for 56 years. We could have won 78 games that year and the next year too. I mean, we're really competitive as it as quickly as the second year. I still love the story. And don Davey told us this when we had our players only when I don't remember which kid I'm sure you remember when they got up, and so we're beating Michigan and you said, Whoa, whoa! Slow down, and he said it's Nick Palczynski. Northern was typical northern Wisconsin. Big Paluch a, You know, thick neck next sixth price, 643 20. And we're in camp were at the seminary in He jumps up and we're going undefeated because you you wanted to say goals, right? You want the players? We're gonna start setting goals when goals players going to set them be realistic. We're going to go undefeated. If anybody doesn't believe me. I'll get your butt right here and I said, I put my hand up. Said I don't believe you. Yeah, I've been around some really good teams just came from an undefeated team. We're not good enough yet for undefeated. Let's get realistic now and it was. I thought that was a hush over the room. But let's be real guys. That's not that's not paint a picture that That we're not. Yeah, And so as you each year we're bringing in those those guys. What was the balance of going out and finding those guys who could really play? But it seems like the heart and soul even from the beginning to that, So now is those Wisconsin kids, some on scholarship, some not on scholarship. What's the balance of chasing talent? Verses, you know, establishing, you know Wisconsin and even the walkout. You take the best players in Wisconsin. The best ones here, you know, some are from better programs. So the ones that aren't from better programs or somebody, maybe an institution short two inches short. Um You know, blonde hair, blue eyes, late bloomer, Big bones, Like like Verstegen. He's going to get big. You look at his risk. You look at his shins. You look at all that. You see, he's going to be a 300 pounders. These 2 45 coming out and you say, Hey, that same kid from over the border We don't need to mess with. But as I'm gonna roll that nice I'm not going to roll the dice on a kid. From Pennsylvania like that, although Joe Root Joe Rudolph, I did because he was really good athlete, but, uh, we're going to take the Wisconsin kids and then will recruit the walk onto Just don't quite fit it, but really like to play football. Like Tosh. I remember Boomer coming in saying you gotta see this kid play basketball. Tosh was a great athlete. Unbelievable balance. You know, he's the guy..
WTMJ 620
"pat richter" Discussed on WTMJ 620
"You know, I'm from Ohio State We reach you guys have ever Bragging rights are very important and it's realistic. And so when we're when I was out east of the General Foods, and we had those kind of games where you might beat in Ohio's theater in Michigan. I've said some teams. That was a great feeling, and I think that's realistic. It's not somebody didn't well, it doesn't mean the thing it does. And that's what But even today when I When I finished as athletic director, and I went to the first game, I just walked around and tailgate parties and see people and things like this. And the number of people who came up and said Thank you. That's what it meant to them, and it really means a lot because that's really what it's all about. And so somebody say thank you, then. You know, it's like because you were in the same position that they were. And now they feel that they've got the tradition and success and that they are very proud about that, and so is tangible and I think that that's Wisconsin cyst right now because the program has continued to be successful and the resources of television Packages and things like this. The opportunities come by, and and you want to make sure that you're irrelevant. And as we said before, provide that added value, because that's where it's at, because again, they don't need you to survive. And so you don't want to. When we first took over, we had We had a student fee and things like that. You know, you don't have those kinds of things today. Well, you talk about tangible. How about renovated Camp Randall Stadium, a coal center. You know the upgrade to the world class facilities. That you didn't inherit right? Those those were those were, uh, you know, tangible, you know results of of your 14 years while you were there, So it wasn't just you know the program in a better place, But the experience or, you know so many athletes in so many different sports, and so many fans experiencing those sports And I think they do encourage, Cole said it best when he, uh it was kind of ironic because I we were announcing a new basketball coach Dick Bennett, and I didn't want to have it on the day that it probably should have happened, which would have been called on April Fool's Day. The I said, We're not going to announce the football basketball questions. April Fool's. Let's move it up a couple days and we do it. Okay, great. After we announced Dick and had the press conference and then went back to my office got a call from Sandy Wilcox at the foundation, he said. Say Ace on Saturday. We're going to announce $25 Million gift from Senator Herb Kohl. Guess what did is April Fool's Day, So I said we didn't know it's dick better. But we're not the $25 million gift, which most people didn't believe he believe realize the importance of that. And and when he was asked by what why did he do? He could have used it for many, many other things. Because they wanted to, and he felt that strongly about the university. That's where he wanted to invest, and we had a great time. We're looking around the countries with him and the kind of facility and it still to this day. Even though it's over 2020 years old. That it's a great facility. It's and those are the kinds of things that elevated Wisconsin's reputation. Yeah, Chatting with Pat Richter is number. 88 retired at Camp Randall Stadium that he helped renovate during his 14 years as director of athletics. So you're the longest tenured director of athletics at the time. When you step down and Barry took over. Um, what do you think? I mean, you've seen Barry run a football team. What do you think was going to be his ability to run that program? Well, I thought he would run. The program was in pretty good shape. A lot of things that cleared the decks. I mean, we obviously had to deal with cutting of sports to get herself financially viable, and we had a title dying situation that occurred and so Those things have been kind of put to bed. And so the program was was in place and they had good coaches and to find the biggest, they all said to him, I said The best thing you can do for yourself as an athletic director when he first took over his B a damn good football coach because that's really what it is in football is successful, and everything else kind of comes along with it. Then, of course, probably the biggest thing in the big 10 was, Of course, the television revenues I mean, To think that they get like $50 million A year is just incredible. And it's based on the strength of the conference, obviously, and but I remember when we first started out when I'm with very I mean, we had to try to find a million dollars every year in the budget money, New money. Just the same system basically called cause for our role of costs and to remain the same not to do a lot of interesting new things because that's the way the budget works. It's just the role of costs are Things that just improve your process Only if you can add more moneys in philanthropy and development and good support, And and those things happen with the success of the program. So, Pat before we let you go, and you think About Barry Alvarez. And you know his legacy. Uh, you know, coaching, and then in that director of athletics roll What's the thing that stands out to you about? Uh, you know about this now, you know, 30 year plus era, uh, from the day from the day you hired him to, uh, the today he's stepping down this week. I'll tell you what it's uh you kind of puts it in perspective of 30 years. Maybe does that a long time to you, young guys, But I'll tell you what it went pretty dog gone fast at this think that that's happened and where that period of time. And I think like anything else, that we are grateful for the the things that he did, and, uh, and the success that he had because that gave us an opportunity to bring back a world class university to the world class. University with a solid athletic program and and the people are there that after we left carried on that that tradition, and I think it may be even stronger and In a daylight day like today, which is very complicated. It's not easy and you have to be relevant magazine Martin Post birth thing is that Looking back on it and things that we said we provided added value, and that's what he did. And and I think that when we had a strategic planning, we wanted to hope to get to a ball game and do the final four and things like that. We With that in writing that in the year 2000 What would you look back and see would like to have accomplished And now they've been able to build on and be very much more successful as well and have good people in place and be a good program that everybody around the country would love. That's very important because you know that gives you recruiting base and people support and they know that the solid run by solid people who have been able to be successful and to build on the traditions that have been University, Wisconsin's history. Today's replay of Barry Week from ESPN. Wisconsin, is sponsored by the Wisconsin alumni Association and iron Jock. We.
WTMJ 620
"pat richter" Discussed on WTMJ 620
"Week and he picked it off the wall and was looking at and somebody can either wanted it and he gave it to him. So they said it was unsportsmanlike conduct. Well, we weren't playing Illinois for four or five weeks after that, so it really was ridiculous. But what it does is the the policy is either fined $25,000 or you sit out a game. So we didn't They didn't want him to sit out of the the Illinois game because we're playing them or Ohio State's of the game was selected was the Minnesota game. And of course, that was the one that, uh, we're going to fumble them have doubled away and things like that. And so it's conceivably. Because of that loss of Billy Callahan. We might have even Had a greater opportunity to be successful. And maybe nationally permanent. Wow. As we chat with Pat Richter, uh, Badger legend, So as you look at, as you walked into, uh, that game in 1993 Camp Randall West as, uh, as people think about that game Now, how did it compare for you, Uh, walking in there as a player. Walk in there with a program that you and Donna and Barry had helped transform. Well, certainly the when we were there in 63, you know, you just don't have any idea of the complexities that are going on the impact of a successful game year as a player. You're going out. You're representing the big 10. That was what was different. The next time was more of a national prominence. Yes, representing the big 10. But you're also, you know, fighting for national recognition, and that was When we played Southern Cal was one versus two, but that was already decided in December, so the game really didn't have any effect on the rankings at all one and 93 did and In 94. So the The impact was much, much bigger than and so going in there and seeing the fans there and being on the side of being able to move around as an athletic turkey agree on the field, you can look up. Can be in the stands and hearing what's going on in the fans and and how appreciative they were and stories about. Well, the nation's one guy, should 1963 we? Decided not to go to the game because Wisconsin been in Roosevelt for three years, and so Out of five the previous five or 10 years. And so we had a television sent instead. And so they didn't think it would take 31 years to get back there. And so you hear all kinds of stories and realize the impact that it had on people's lives, and that really starts to hit you and make make you understand that the enormity of it all Today's replay of very weak from ESPN, Wisconsin is sponsored by the Wisconsin alumni Association and Iron Chuck. Your home can.
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"pat richter" Discussed on WTMJ 620
"Iron Jacques. I'm Greg Nazi. More with Craig Karmazin and his conversation with Pat Richter and Ted killed in the business of Barry on WTMJ. We were discussing a Barry came to Wisconsin and you immediately saw a change in the football program in a positive way. So then, you know the next year, few years there was just those Almost and almost and, you know, five wins seasons. Um, did you feel something different going into 1993? Did you feel like it was kind of all coming together? And I'm sure you didn't. You weren't thinking Roosevelt. But were you feeling like that was a special year waiting to happen? Well, it was interesting because the year before we were at Northwestern, and there were two bowl game bowl representatives were there. One was for them. We pull and we need a bowl, and another one was from a game on California the all American Bowl. And they wanted to try to pit us against Southern Cal in a rematch of the 1963 Rose Bowl. So a great marketing Hutu aware Well, Barry went out with the pool and we've ever fellow that night before the game, I went with the American ball. And next morning we met and he said, Hey, we're locked into the pool and weed eater, But we win the game. We're going to go and I'm thinking Oh, my God. How do you explain the fact we could go to the all American Bowl in California? Against Southern Cal. How do you explain that you're going to go to the pool? And we need a bowl in Shreveport, Louisiana, instead of California. And, of course, as you well know, we fumbled that one of the last plays of the game and We had a chance to win the game, but it just didn't happen. And we didn't go to any ball games. So that gave us a little bit of a glimmer. But when we came back to the the next year, we have made the commitment to play a game in Japan and knowing thinking that we weren't going to be going to a ball game and This is an opportunity to recruit athletes to come to Wisconsin, knowing that they would go to Japan and maybe have not an opportunity for that kind of a lifetime experience. And so And so when we went to Japan, everything was riding on the line. And that certainly was unexpected. And it was was it actually turned out? Fantastic the way it would rather than we're planning at home. We win this far away and then come back into a reception all the way up through the the state and over the highways over the The interstate and things like this people, their police and then into the stadium was just a wonderful experience. I think that really might even worked out better Just because we It was something we hadn't really thought was going to happen What it did. It was just special Continuing on Barry Week, It's the business of Barry chatting with Pat Richter. So you talked about that 93 season and getting Over the hump with the winner against Michigan State in Japan, But that season was, you know, I mean, just an incredible the ups and downs. Obviously, the tragedy following the Michigan when the almost when against Ohio State with the Ms Field goal, Um, that should have been a win with all the fumbles against Minnesota. I mean, but you think about it. That's year four. I mean from one in 10 to 10, 1 and one what? You know what were the things you saw that Barry Alvarez was doing that was able to transform things that quickly to be competitive at that elite level. Well, I think certainly he delegated him. He knew he had a good staff. He didn't overrule them or impose certain kinds of things on them. I think you understood with you know, the Palermo's of the world in Callahan's and of humors and People like that that McCarthy that that they knew what they were doing, and he was managed that process very well. And they knew that you know, the players knew that beyond the position, coach It was somebody else that was dictating what was going to be happening to their their efforts on the field as well. And so that's what made a big difference. It was just the way structurally an organization to happen in terms of Of the the business, so to speak, and just everybody had a role to play. And the new that they had. There was some minor changes. Not well, that minor changes. You know, I'm Russ Jakes moved out with Children move in, and there are a number of staff changes that happened over that period of time to fine tune. Some of the things that were going on the first couple years improved the staff. And by the time it was all over and going to Roosevelt had an outstanding group of guys that were on the staff and thank you probably felt very confident that that they can handle their positions as well. And he could. Sit back and manage the process and interject himself proper times in order to reinforce the attitudes and things that the players had and making them believe that they could win. Amazing how close that team was to actually being a national championship contender. Right when you think about, um, Minnesota, you know, and, uh and Ohio that was very ad mentioned it. But that was kind of an odd thing that happened in the We got a call on a Sunday after a game and saying that the the big 10 was going to, uh, have a unsportsmanlike conduct charge against Bill Kellyanne because he He picked off a depth chart off the law. He was scouting teams when one week but there were off of that week..
WTMJ 620
"pat richter" Discussed on WTMJ 620
"Chatting with college Football Hall of Famer academic All American Hall of Famer and Rose Bowl Hall of Famer Pat Richter. So one of the things that jumps out to everyone when they think back was That first press conference in the confidence that Barry showed and get your tickets Now. Was he that confident privately as you were leading into, Uh, you know this higher I think he was think he had talked to Hayden and I think they have discussed the fact that you know. This type of staff you put together and he did put together a great staff. That was one of the key factors in the decision. It was important decision making. I had talked to a number of the coaches that I interviewed that I mentioned earlier. And some of them When I asked, I said, Who are you going to bring with you where the people are going to follow you here? Well, one coach, it was became a very head coach is very university After this, he said, Well, I really hadn't thought about it. Well, that was something that John Giardina told me and when our conversation when we're looking at the coach He said. It's very important to check and see who might come along because that indicates to to everybody. The fact that there are people willing to put their reputations on the line their careers on the line and come To be an assistant coach because they know they're going to be successful and they're confident they can be successful chatting with Pat Richter. And so when we talked to Barry, he said, it was so important to change the culture of everything. How the phones were answered in the building what the walls look like how the carpet was. Was it a matter for you of making sure you were aligned with him? Or was it? Hey, I'm going to hire the right person for the job and then give them the autonomy to do what needs to be done. I mean, half How do you balance that? As a leader of the department of How involved to get versus you know, giving that head coach that autonomy? Well, it certainly coaching Wasn't my forte obviously been an athletic director and for a short period of time and but better student athlete and knew what it was like to be successful. And what it was like around Wisconsin was successful, and so basically we let them have their rain, so to speak, was always in a kind of an environment of Tough Financial times We were didn't have a an unending budget. Now they have a television which is huge, but we had We were getting hammered because we added Deficit that they said was 1.4 million. And then they came back and said, No, it's 2.1 million and back in those days. It's still a lot of money. But back in those days, it was big money. And so we had to be very careful and be a little bit. Judicious about the process and to make sure that we were getting a bang for the buck. In other words, what was being invested in made the opportunity to be more successful better and that was very important. And we're able to show that And certainly the changing the culture was very important, because yeah, when you when you look get out there. People are used to seeing Very poor football for the last couple years. They're looking for some changes. And so the marketing program the first year you might recall Called a whole new animal. And after the first game, we play to California and we were going to beat going ahead of them. At halftime, there was interception. They went all the way down and scored and that really kind of knocked us down. But the guys are overachieving. They were They were. They had gotten the great kind of guys that wanted to invest in the the team. They wanted to be. There got rid of the ones that didn't want to work hard of being successful. And so when that happened It was a kind of a kind of glitch, so to speak. In the short term, some people cynically said Well, looks like the same old animal because the record wasn't very good. But you could tell. I mean the competition. For a job. Wait, wait, wait. So you're saying 28 12 loss first game of the Barry Alvarez era in a one and 10 or whatever season that you already felt The change had begun to happen with the program. Yeah, that day. Yeah, you really could. I mean it was. It was a game that we could have won and had no reason to win because we didn't have the talent to win, but it could have won that game. You could just see that the motivation that they inspired the team too. Different levels and, uh and it was and you can see it. I mean, again. Some people were looking at different things with things that I was looking at, was the people that were there and they wanted to be there and they wanted to be On a team like that and be part of something that is growing and getting better. And some of it didn't were gone. And you could. You could tell that And I mean, I sure could, And and I think that we even what we had to convince people that that was the case. You know, in our heart of hearts, we believe that that was certainly looked that way And and the fact that the way it rolled out into a couple years later is significant In that regard, you wouldn't be able to Achieve those things. Unless you're almost day One started to get better. Today's replay of Barry Week from ESPN, Wisconsin, is sponsored by the Wisconsin alumni Association and Iron Shop. Hey, voters. This is Dave Darl from Kendall Marine..
WTMJ 620
"pat richter" Discussed on WTMJ 620
"With former athletic director Pat Richter and Ted Kilner, hosted by Good Karma Brand CEO and founder Craig Karmazin. So how long was Barry Alvarez on your radar? Well, you know, we'll go back a little bit further that just because since you're on the business side of things, because this decision to make a change was basically a business decision, you know? Donna soil and asked if I would search Herb, a Cherry committee kind of a strategic planning committee as to why Wisconsin was losing money and fans and things like this. And it wasn't very complicated because it was obviously they were losing money. And we we had and we'll get together and throw it around and things that came up with the fact that people didn't want didn't like what's going on with football. And that's why the season tickets were going down, and that's why we're losing money, so it was basically football oriented. So that was when so wait. But with that being the case, you know you were a football guy, you know? Was there a thought of Hey, do I even want to run this? This athletic program? You know, despite you know, having been a part of it as a player that like, Hey, this is a losing football team. Do I even wanna do I even want to run this program? No, that never really came into mind would have happened was I would approached initially and it wasn't really understood because I really more more of a private family and didn't want to be in there. In the forefront. And then when things got to be a little bit different with Oscar Mayer in and craft and things started moving towards Chicago. It looks like our position would be in Chicago, and that's not where we wanted to be so Whereas I was pushing Bob Johnson for the job. I decided until honestly that I would be interested in and then it went from there. And so it wasn't that question. We really didn't We didn't get into the details of things beforehand is probably kind of stupid. I my part in terms of due diligence, but, uh, you know, we wanted to be in Madison and this was an opportunity. It was an opportunity to Bring something back that were really very passionate about. And to do something good while being a and it's a unique position, you know, athletic directors. They're not an awful lot of them around the country, and so it's a unique position and and so we accepted it on that basis, and that's why You know, we really didn't have an awful lot of ways to go. And he wasn't going couldn't go down much further. It couldn't go. I say ways, and they're really There is no way to go except be up if you make the right decisions, and that's what we did. So once you made that study and had determined that football was going to drive the ship, um Was that about getting the right commitment so you could make the right offer? If, uh, you know if you could decide who the coach was, and And where was the university when it came time for you to say. Hey, uh, you know, I think we have our guy or you and your group that they had the guy. Where was where was the support at that time from the university. Given the recent history of a lack of success in football. Well, we happened after the committee report came in down and went to the athletic director at the time made spine Berg Said he should get rid of the football coach. Well, aid was there because Don Martin recommended him, so he wasn't going to do it. So she decided to take them both out, so she fired them both. And then give us the opportunity. So we never really discussed saying we knew oceanic commitment. She had not been involved in athletics before at any level, And yet she was very competitive person that played a lot of tennis and And so she wanted to elevate the athletic program to the level at the university and and that's what she was looking for. And so she really kind of basically put it in our hands said, You know, go find a football coach and And that's what we did is there were some people on the list before I got there and I went around, and I talked to Lloyd because public knowledge talk to white car doctor Jim Colletta, who had been a Purdue Jim Diamond, who had been at Oklahoma. Jim Hartman, who was the eastern Michigan And and Barry, Doug Graver and things like that and so and don Neilan was also in the mix, and that's what it really came down to. Their commitment was at the university. I mean, Donna didn't have to say if she understood that it really was losing proposition was hurting alumni relations and of support and things like this, and that's really What's the lifeline of the university athletics is a very important part. That's one thing that really ties into your subject matter about business of very Is that we took an approach. Basically, they again had an Oscar Mayer. You had to provide added value, just like with you and the radio business. If you don't provide added value, people will go someplace else to listen to what their programming is in. So you have to prove that you're and they need to have you here. Why are you there? If you think of it, the university doesn't need an athletic program to survive. And so what are you providing an added value. That's what we did and trying to quite look for the coaches and we came down to the finals. Don Nehlen was going to have a bowl game and both, and Barry was having a ball game, but about two days later So when Neyland was finished with his bowl game, I called him and I said, we're ready to bring in and take a look at Madison and bring you around and And he had lost the game and he felt bad about it. These G A. I don't feel really great about it. I like to think it over and when he said that that turned me off right there, because we needed somebody that was Fired up and ready to go with somebody that have, uh, great motivation. Be successful, somebody that knew if they weren't successful that maybe they would be out of the business, so to speak, and so You're not successful as a football coach, You're going to be running around different places and getting different jobs all the time. Just because that's the nature of the business Well, and it's interesting is Neilan was a head coach. Barry was someone who had not at that level, been a head coach. So what were the conversations with Barry? Like and what made you think that he could make that jump from? You know, coordinator and at that time Notre Dame at elevated him to kind of an associate role head coach role they offers last year. But what made you think he was the guy and he could make that jump? Well, and Oscar Mayer, where I was in charge of human resources. Uh, I've always had average and the opportunity to, you know, make difference between somebody who's got experience for a position or what they call a deep select somebody is going to reach down. There may be a little bit wet behind the ears and as more all the motivation in the world to be successful, otherwise, the like I say they could be out of the business. And so that's what it boiled down to. But when he indicated that he had to think it over We just didn't need somebody that was in that frame of mind. We needed somebody that was cranked up, ready to go excited about the opportunity to be the next football coach in Wisconsin and And that was basically the basis for the decision. And and that was something you know, I certainly I knew that ahead of time going into that last couple days, because that's what our conversation took Place and And when you have an opportunity, like buried it to be an assistant head coach, I mean, especially the place like Notre Dame. There's a lot of things that the head coach is doing that are outside the bounds of football, so to speak, and you have to take a lot of responsibility. So In effect you Benedict coach at that level, but he's been in the big time, big time long enough to understand just exactly what that was all about in the level of competition and what we would have took the win in the big 10..
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"pat richter" Discussed on Krypton Report: The Supergirl Podcast
"In colorado up mountain. I know. I don't know this actually accurate. Pelfrey day clever mi internet but so the talking like we started talking regularly and one of us will mention and oh god i have a migraine today and the other one will be like white meat metoo and and we also notice that we like we like the same character. We think like a lot of other things and we started noticing a pattern. We always have migraines on the same day. And jean grey's retard side see exactly. You got a dean. Gray's power is kinda started with her having migraine and then there's like exploded so finally one of us was like so Probably segue linked. Because that's the only the only explanation for these migraines and also things where like one of us would think something in the they had out loud at they'll happens you know years later. What was that. What was the cause play that we never spoke out loud to each other that we were going to do. And then when we made our packing list we both pat. Richter's was that do you remember. I don't remember. But i think that's happened multiple times again. That probably is why. I can't remember which characters because i think it happened more than once where we just assumed we were doing a photo shoot because we each no one of us has one character and the other one has the other team by team titans or something mention our packing list and be like oh. So did we actually talk about teen titans or her. It just happened. So what's your costumes quaking. Do you make them yourselves or do you buy them like a website or both or out of you. Acquire your suits. We either make them or we sort of them where you buy pieces and alter for the most part there have been. I think i have to buy bought all the pieces for and guli online and the rest of them. They either made or thrift bid. Yes then altern in certain places you guys shop for your costumes. Goodwill nice going to goodwill is really fun and just trying to find stuff that you can use as a base author super cowards. Though i have to go to goodwill when i go across state lines to go visit her because she is goodwill magic to also the goodwill's within like half an hour for me are really good. I don't know why like every time i go to them. They are magic. Just like maneuvering need something. I can zero in which goodwill because there was a lot within our guest and zero. And i'm like this is the one that's going to have what we need always does one. That's like nearest to me. So they're always out of everything but like the ones like near. My mother-in-law always find stuff usually. It's like from my wife and my kids never find anything for me but then my wife finds cool stuff from me. I'm like it's just she has. She has gift so wonderful gift. I hope i never lose it. I love this gay. I always like hearing. Because like i've talked to buy them off the internet. Now that's cool but it's really neat when people actually like to make to make either. I think there's almost like you have a more of a bond with your costume very true. Sometimes it's eight relationship bite. Yes early bleed for costume like my dark. Both of them had. They are even the one that got made out of spandex from scratch. I do all the sewing on that. I'm not skilled. my friend. Ruby helped me but the stretching most outbreak over the red for my legs. Because you know you never think about how curved a leg is there's so much more circus airman on a leg would ever imagine until you start so and both times. The first time we just were cutting yellow bodysuit apart and sewing it onto a red premade bodysuit and the only way we could get the fabric to match for me to wear the red bodysuit while the yellow legged pieces got so non overby and then we tried to not do that with the one that we were making out of whole cloth like literally and again we got all the pieces stretched out and birds. Time i want my. I don't know maybe everything above my knees different size. Compared to the pattern we were using then everything below my knees or what but we couldn't get the yellow pieces right so we just made me whole red legs and so yellow legs over them. While i was wearing it like imagine not being able to see where the needle goes through. Because there's a leg there sounds fun. I have bled inside both of those costumes in ruby bonded over that. Oh yeah definitely ballots to good friend. Good friend stab you over and over again so that you can get the perfect ruby and her husband. Mark the mutual friends. That i met crawley. Borough i mean that's cool. I mean that is if you're gonna meet somebody and you know like Hopefully you know it. Serve through a mutual friend. Then it makes it a little bit more easy and helps little more of a trust like anthrax that friend. that's cool. I mean. I like the stories of yeah matter. Do this to get this to fit or they just i. I tried selling some stuff and it was a disaster. And a when i gave up on myself and just make things for my children. So you're so of course that's where the name of the phoenix sisters came from. And maybe you should be called the phoenixes of to earth or you know the dark side of each other or one person you bodies. One person to body is definitely talk. How often do you do cost by being that. If people have picked up your sisters by your bond not by blood by blood and live in different locations. So how often do you get to do things. Besides your migraine sharing in short same thoughts it gets more and more every year like we just can't stay away from equal other way near i would specifically quarantine for two weeks to a month not go to a store not go anywhere to make sure it was saying for me to go visit now and we're close with each other's family is so i would go there to see the kids to but she's really like my daughter asked her all year round. Like chose is because my daughter. Mrs people opposite year so social ask for early visit all the time so i think the first year we were doing this we saw each other's reach mines are now we probably see each other about six months a year. Cranes that i totally understand that like i was or the world went crazy. Visiting friends in podcasting friends. You know people like that that you know and like to talk to and hang out with and then now you're just afraid to leave your basement.