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Ho! Ho! Ho! It's a Christmas Special

Blaqbook The Podcast

38:33 min | 5 months ago

Ho! Ho! Ho! It's a Christmas Special

"The report was good people. It's your boy richie rich against the men and welcome to another episode of black book. The podcast today. We'll go full house joy. I'm buying my man. Kill someone. Sanchez was going on people. Romy romy miss fi fi and this is a christmas special time of year where everyone gets. Merry bit wavy because chocolate chocolate on the menu. What's game on kobe plan. And just by the time of year well families get together quite big insane coaches not so much in others but of course when asked to solve with his. What does christmas mean to you. Want to start off well. I'm the biggest christmas fan. Hey i'm sorry about family. Food presents the food again. Food alcohol six and the baby still ahead okay. So what are we talking about them. My family is everything. No now say wa- table comes hinder eighteen tech. He got the lamb. Got the geest. Got the pheasant that runs across the road against everything so you have to make sure everybody on the tables causes to some mac and cheese and because over the years. Vegetarians have come into the family. Annex shifts piece of squashed on the table saw me to teheran than these new trends may see you accommodate all. Come on the table you know. Why rage pilots to keep everybody happy. Okay cool cool co. he's always say what's christmas like food. Food is well. Yeah we'll see what nigerian about. Gardening office definitely jello question. Those nigerian ghanaian joel a different general. I'm going to be biased. I'm going to say even nigerian going to say guardian. I think it because not julian stole. You've boise to the ones of have tried to the best of chefs senate. So you go there you go. That's why the nigerian dav had support. No one day. Say yeah say okay. Jell fries whilst more traditional dishes or stick to western so foods well for me mostly above some african on british But may i just stick to my often the beef. Yeah and. I'm badgering man. That's the only time very often could notify mccollum. Run have some parliament members that just work twenty four seven were clue. Just just everyone around the daewoo into can be foolish. And yeah you know. That's what it's all about mary. Month sange war. As everybody else said food oversee we in was being jamaican and guyanese. So you obviously there's the or i don't eat red meat so no pork beef. Norrland orlando for myself. i'm. I'm just now missing christmas with a crack. How can you be trying to tell backing swine. Ccc the puck is still there and pat cap. Good to know you is there. S and p's the coleslaw. Mac and cheese rose chicken as mom cooks the alarm and the pork is obviously my mom. My siblings eat it. Yes what was he christmas being. I've got massive family myself under off. Kgo eight siblings. Pretty time is mad for you. Then kinda matter now got two nephews as well so the family graham very family orientated. So i see my mom's side of the family on christmas day. And then i have a second christmas on like the box. In the order. Twenty-seventh my dad's side of the family. Because my grandma still alive to this day fight. Gordon razor invest in ninety. So that's out of the family link-up hers because he's a little bit difficult now because of corona traditionally. That's what we do. So i see both sets of the family. The ones that are in this country anyway said food family music. Alcohol notice nobody. Nobody truly to still barrington levy on sanchez. Kicking him boy mobile missile for me. Christmas is all about say common together as a family in love all of that. Yeah sweet sweet. Listen for me. Oh it's going to be has to be the president's hands down. Sorry is a seasonless. Look good though i am. I am actually. I literally listening attentively. To what a person ones so also questioned by. I won't happen addition never when popular coffee. I get you the bucks at exactly so the presence. I will say food second knowing that oversee. My dad's is europa. My mom is having both to different. Nigeria yeah yeah the both nigerian two different tribes so alabama caliber so with my mom side. Soups are amazing. So that's the time we get to basically have lots of soups and vegetables. So it's very is no soup. Coconut rice fee to be swimming cheeky hanging. But we've we've. The soup is really healthy. Spinach of green very likely literally taylor day clean out so it's good to eat more food so it's quite so yeah definitely it will definitely be the alcohol for me as well tells down trysts. Oh okay so is. There isn't any don't say it looks like is a girl still guessing. What do i do a in oklahoma experience experience listener. Rich chocolates always awake and then pullover rameez well. Romeo food thirty eight with me as well. I love to serono as well. It's sweet as well cumbria. Cranberry cranberry with apple juice. So that's just run and spy taking notes just a quick digression juice orange juice so we about bits. Bits bit conversations to be ten cents. Bits on that. I'm smith cow but anyway go molina yeah. Christmas is yeah just family. My sister will come with the kids. She's got six of them. Yes say that for the whole day. S with all the presents and the money and the puck right now from the kids. That don't belong to me. Can we give them back after doors commoner because see it she's like i don't know i love to eat and like i said the pork belly. Okay he tuning hurry Also cheese and the immune hunger about but Yeah and the drinking So you're kirby as well so you have a double any of like non caribbean non who've like western dishes attacking africa caused the frosting at christmas time. Ever try anything new now say. My dad is a stickler. He thing every year timeline. I spend christmas girlfriends families time time and she made me a roast go from from the uk and other games ktichen sunday race roasting yorkshire putin's and stopping in them things the starting oppressed. You know to be open minded and say so. Let's say without with anymore in turn was similar to you guys Been club a big paul. My so christmas memories. Would i say. I've been much of christmas person over the years. You know what i mean like. I've had a lot of like weird ups and downs of my family. So i've never really had a stable source of like christmas experience so we spend if a mom and whatnot of my dad and then his beim over time and what not by myself own towers not part had like very mixed christmas. We have one particular memory that can attribute to say okay. Christmas day december seventeenth. I look up. They don't feel like christmas this year for christmas. D normally put them up now. I don't know if i'm with some of the time and see how can accommodate me personally of never felt that the so i'm i'm on these women in her christmas tree in november. I want to nine tree. I got my from my late grandmother. Mp's ones growing up. She will have the tree. I don't know who's listening. Fema actually might not least abbott decorations. Yeah we want to the same age land to the poor and the ceiling back in the eighties thing. My grandma used to plot the phones removed to data room and those kind of course woodland and the food and the family together. The paper chase there pay pay part the paper. The paper change and making snowflakes and stick on the window brought up in that type of christmas. Christmas my master's gridiron. I love christmas candles. Lying toda love chris. Milk glow in right now. The start a match on a little bit succeed in of what most of you guys said in towns of the food being in one of my most integral parts of christmas experience so most via probably seen or heard about the recent sales advert Regarding a dad and daughter sharon very intimate moment about dad's gravy and whatnot. Ab song gravy song store and there's been describe it of professional comes. What'd you say. I wanna say controversial. Racial racial disgusted. Short down yeah. Don't worry disgusting comments Regarding you know the whole adver and sainsbury's trying to do is when you guys take on the whole thing and it goes for me. When i heard about it my head would spin seeing myself. That really on my head was offered a some oita had with all the protest in. I mean people kneel in people telling us that choose really. My head was really at lutely heart. I'll give you some of the some of the so on twitter. Some of the comments that were under the they put out onto overseas on tv as well as obviously promoted on twitter. And that's where the comments racial comments came from or there are things such as our anywhere people in britain left. Has this country become africa. Bear in mind this person's after this wrong and there's no capitals absolute idiot anyways even so we have made it clear. They consider why people are dangerous to their staff and they only one customer black families like nonsense it some of the things that people were really thinking to myself. Are you debt stupid. The other ones. I had about the only three percent of the population on one hundred percent of the friend. The one time we don't is when do we as a community. we is hardly ever react. Complaint the majority of the adverse wherever it sainsbury's tesco's audi minute wait adverse we see on british tv predominantly our way. We have never said why they never person. The person is like a biracial couples. The background even still we don't we don't anything is not even the even the whole campaign. There was free separate adver off free separate adverts and they want to they want to if you've got so go on youtube now you tap into saints with elvis the free episodes you know you're going to commit section on the platform you leaders who just cut off from great. How style what is that. You know our representative. We do mickey mouse roles like the bingo. When the woman's they're playing the guitar with yes which makes no sense so comments day. The lady from our program is a program. That's what she's from. Yeah is it something in tattoos nonsense gimmicky. But you know what one time. You have a serious a nice. I'm not gonna night. I'm surprised they don't want anything. When any form of ethnic minorities these tight vouchers having from the twitter thugs of this of these places and start making ninth annoys me the most here about these people. I'm like okay. So you're you're coming on on social media chest with these comments first things first. You're not gonna say monroe life number two a lot of the things that we've arm you're wearing them your eaten them. You're using them are created by a lot of food. That's how many people are making it guaranteed. No don't don't don't get me started on that by law. The food people eat so that they'll go to logo to the local indian on on on a weekend or or the closed. They've got on of made in india or china indonesia. But you'll racist. Yeah so if you're if you're racist why are you. Why eating their food. Why are you. Why are you wearing their clothes. I hate saying sanchez but in terms of the lack of education. How's it make you feel when he saw that advert was proud. I was happy. How did you fill with represented room fuzzy feelings. We'll come every conduct table was cooked first thing had this. The always have a typical stereotype of how about financial looked like probably the data's prison and the mom's a single mother seeing that as a family actually being present in the actual lives of their bridge rating. Wants to see that relatable warsaw that i think and dad grandma bunny and i understood that was relatable that we could relate to all black people of all different coaches different over to africa or could they could relate to that but you know some supermarkets are dad like little played it safe to share with kevin. The character kevin the rabin and women's thinking about potatoes. He really give it to them. Don't be on defense with few of two markets froze Rose received comments. They removed to think channel four. She had a time when she played old. Those adverse back in sort of johnson johnson. He showed that the biggest in it's not just saying breeze that promote the black culture. Also send them by saying because usually it's not really a hurdle for supermarkets play adverts in simcity vernice usually come different slots so by doing that. It's kind of like as an act of guests. Listen we don't care what you say. The same was doing it. It's all of us do quite well one hundred percent. Maybe just not seeing lewis ever now when you the pigeon share to black people because with the gold chain. The photo was a bit. Yeah but i didn't see that. I don't think i've seen that one on one was saying is more or less like gift of love and it's not only christmas. I know was how the pigeons was normal. Kind of gallow. I'm gonna let interested at christmas. Still maybe the saints advert. Did you see the common. They re back to. People of people wanna a himself. Did it say basically said there was like on twitter. Actually ask sayings reads. We wanted to be the most increases retailer. That's why for all our advertising. We aim to represent a modern person. Which has a diverse range of communities. We have three stories of freedom. Different families in our appetizing. That was their comeback to everybody saying. Why is this advert. They standing the question is then. Yes okay. they've done now I want to see that next year. Yeah the year off dr for me. It's not even about the. I want to see us representing the workplace flow for. You say you're going to be your diverse wise not showing in your in your company as well so as oxo of a happier now share with me. We believe your most happiest christmas memory than just to get the audience. A nice to boost going into town. Mclaughlin behaved pick one one. Actually if you think about let somebody else go. One says a memory that i always have from when i was little and obviously santa was that you told when you were growing up. And he believed him. Sorry if you didn't. If i remember we had our president wrapped in santa's ones will never wrapped and he got me the most silliest president it was something so minor it was the law sneaker little sneaky thing and he pulled back the but thank you. Sandra best present ever mom's like kids very happy. Now san doesn't exist. Chest is high stickney. Boy who is going to be hard this year for me personally because this is the first christmas dot. My dad So i'm looking at as more or less kinda thing all the memories of especially for us going growing up being pastas child the christmas with more or less about going to church to church so having that for me i feel like i'm still going to carry on that tradition with my children. That's probably very memory of my dad. Lessons arrested piece donkey few. He's it's good that you've got more than one point atoll I wasn't really So much and i think drew my early stages of attitude who has what point one of the first times. I get got to spend christmas with my mom and siblings so it was nice. Okay i mean of them. Drink well voice. Probably a remember specifically how old hours when i was younger. I was really really really really into trains. The thomas the tank engine can name somebody characters watershed to this date while data on. I remember like i was asking My parents for like obviously the thomas. Tang train says that there was like there was. Thomas does percy james gordon those bury them rolling off the tongue. And i can remember. That was a difficult year in terms of just things that were going on. So i wasn't really although i wanted it. I didn't expect it to them. What was christmas day comes now. And i'm opening opening my presence and among was clever she left that lost So awesome opening and as one experience when you've been disappointed that they weren't you come up with this last president now. I'm not so open in non to see in liz tamer than but the thing is like a few months later i started using those trains as weapons because the trains were hard in. Oh no yes commerce gate. Because i used to trump even the memory of that was good. Yeah yeah that's best best. Well let me go fast food so for me beforehand. I've never really had a real sort of like a great memories for christmas. Christmas person by thing probably the one that stands out to me. The most is when i was about seven years old and i got reunited with my mom and like brethren family in jamaica. Because i was in the states for a bit i was in foster care for about four years so in light of last focuses with my foster parents and you know like i like a lot of different stuff quebec family as well so it was a case of like i always kind of felt like not insignificant but influx matter a lock her child as much she was still take care stalking me presence and whatnot but then it did like i was kinda like the focal point and then when i'd actually did get reunited my mom back into make over in our siblings and whatnot. It was just a of like this home. Feeling mean we didn't have much in will pause hell in jamaica acapella back in the states. But i think just the fact that our with with them and i felt like i was really kind of connected home in. I mean that's feeling against took with me over the years of memory the console resonates with me the most terminent beautiful school i had i think with mine at to be very spotty short. Just a one point two. I think was being with my grandmother. The last christmas before she passed away you could and motta was enjoy every christmas. Because you never know what next shame may bring. And that said 'cause law family aunties and uncles. I do have a good relationship with my family. All yahoo So that particularly yeah ball. Uncles a fung for christmas. A phone a phone call. Listen question so i'll be funny because it would open up resist. Go and what down the treat because also that puts you all of them. Some of them were athletes and autumn. Things they're trying to say is so i'll bought them all different colors all for me. What was the for process that the joke is. I want to see the reaction on the face. Everybody open and what they're actually was one one opening that same says not the uncles offering. Not me late. You know one christmas vessel. I'd be glad you're gonna have you gone because five goose's ready facility up saying is that was one of bio kinda funny memories. Are we give gifts some funny. Things knows emphatic politically. I'm also we do. A raffle was well. So wherever pays win prizes and so forth so and my grandma by introduced it that tradition sit around four stars basic from the first november. Say it won't charge a pound for ticket and it gets very competitive for some people. Some people buy two books. And i'll try to say see gets really competitively by the prison and the phone in the tickets of that russell because this recipe book hands on deck christmas spirit of competitions as well so am best designing christmas cracker johnson sneaking. You said food more than once. She's trying to get every christmas so much fun. Time family is important. Come and go man. Come and go mia she come and go but your family is there to conclude guys. Yeah just wanna hear lack one last all in a statement go into the new year whole listens to know about you know about me. Yeah just one of those days as flick the here is. I'm just me. I am fee comparing very nice with mass. We've had a tough year. just enjoy. what's left of it and bring on twenty twenty one who for me. I've realized this year them actually stronger than i. Four hours and for me and in this year it's more or less not beating up myself. I know in that basically. I have family and friends around me supporting me. And just filling up in that. Love and the surrounded with positivity around me so i would say for those who are basically going through hard times i just said lean on your family and friends you know so yeah definitely definitely salad on a positive note media more who basically same assuming that this does know me. They've known how hard is he has been for me mentally. It's been one of the toughest years of ever had in my life. Okay well as i'm here. Smiling him alive so sexy okay. You know tape puffy on a serious note lousy said despite this being very difficult you notice for myself but for many many people If you are here keep going like his is life is difficult as a continuous journey. There's time for finger turnaround for things to get better. I wish you all a merry christmas happy new year. Twenty twenty one. We'll see what comes burn. Don't don't be disheartened by what happened to share this time. For things turn turnaround. Stay strong and we'll move forward. Bless bless bless him. I'm technically december's for anyone knows very positive person and Moist usually smiling laughing for me this year just to remain just remain positive. Be there for your family and friends. If you can casino you know people will find even know the fine and you know just message one day to say good morning or how you. That's how are you. You can that alone compliance. Someone's day yeah. I mean so. Stay impose from being there for each of like you come to christmas. Everyone comes together for some people that we know only time they can really come see people when you're not to me. Yeah so yeah we well. Hoover knows me. What you see is what you get. Momma is early stone. Don't grow a one mean by. That is when laughing you The and the clock is ticking. You can still continue life. Appreciate your loved ones and you definitely appreciate yourself. Your love is the best love cell. Exactly no man is an island. Nobody alad clo- all. I'm saying is embraced hip embrace every day. You don't what tomorrow next hour mini or second may bring but where you are now appreciate people. Orange percents say basically. This year is been absolute journey. I mean are been for some strange times up seven dollars. Lefts and rights. Mahato has actually this podcast building. If you guys you know nobody said that sharing your experiences you know. I mean just buildings brand. It's been a real highlight of my year. Do want to continue this as much as we can going forward in our building brand identity and it's reaching nuts and those people as can come know uplift or black uk community. And i mean so twenty twenty. Thank you go. Because you've just ended on positivity can we all around to say one position has happened for us this year. Do myself positive this year. I recently so literally about a month ago. I got a promotion in the water. Physiotherapy nice fifteen months after qualifying. They do when you go for sale. Promotions they always ask for two years experience with less than a year and a half. Mr stanch here so dombrowski and the working a good next for me. I guess proof to be honest. I think doesn't mean one particular event or situation. I think has been the best in town of the most positive thing just growth of had over the last twelve months has been immense learning about myself that i don't think A recall tapped into prior to this year. And i mean and obviously given this experience and this knowledge i have going forward. I think it just propels me to be even grades going into twenty twenty one on the phone. Wonderful say for me this year. What by what. I moved out last year and this year are finally started to get in certain things in order in my little place and i've also become a little baker shopping for my cake older in a a tight like cape. I always try to make them. You know i'm the i'm red solve sparked me that is my that is my i. Will you know. I'll my back for me. It would definitely be small spirituality for me just more or less finding time to just meditate and reflect on life. I'm just knowing that you know everything's going to be good. Like simone said you know just being really positive in everything in Always feel like when one door closes another one opens. Oh you know when a window is closed crack someone does open so it's more or less just not giving up and kicking does does down for me. I'll say that she has brought And never given up on hope definitely for me just being alive to be on a c. Experience jinxed like this she has been very been quarried. If you love by news has been out there and each day after. He thinks you're making you'll see a day. I'm truly grateful for that. And also a moved to mrs this year. Your hobby bro. Happy wife happy life spouse happy house no quarantine way was good is on the way to come said. Can you feel you know people talk about covert and can't go nowhere and kind of to do. I loved every moment of it. Okay i had time for myself. I slept i watched. My goal was criminal by heads. I joined it so filipa acidity. I'm signing. i'm don't take granted in perspective. You're trying to say own-account go out. I don't care what up my yard and mission guys thank you so much for your contribution not just today but from the whole yet Spin a blessing to be a part of this if you guys seen in series to two thousand twenty one guy.

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How Can A Stand-Alone Puppet Jump Starts A Comedian's Career And To Fame? | Joselito The Puppet | The Hustleman Show Episode 6

The Hustle Man Show

39:57 min | 6 months ago

How Can A Stand-Alone Puppet Jump Starts A Comedian's Career And To Fame? | Joselito The Puppet | The Hustleman Show Episode 6

"What interests me the most about his story and how he turned off the puppet into a house includes fan. I was kind of like a student has got into it so i was active. The postal business kids and i was only twenty five votes. Somebody to pay you do that. Of course making your first twenty bucks twenty five. Whatever one hundred dollars just to get that kind of money. Initially an artist music which lou raspberries all kind of the same all kind of copying off each feet enough that same energy but then after you'll notice they'll come out all right now. This is your back through another episode of the hustle. man show. I want to welcome you back so we got a lot of different kinds of people on the show. The past. you've got business owners on their. We've had artists on here. We've had people that own grow farms and california right but one thing we've never had one thing we probably won't have again in the near future unless it's this guy again is a puppeteer all right. When i found out about this guy on instagram i. I was automatically hooked. I followed this guy's content for about a year and a half. I think he's hilarious. That a lot of people who are very very entertaining guy. Very cool dude overall. Just a good guy. You know that i got to know him but what interests me the most about his story is how he turned up puppet into a hustle so naturally launching. This podcast have man on here. I got my man none other than host alito the puppeteer. What's what's good. What's good is that. Is that intro cool for you. People normally just go by hosa lethal when they're talking to you or they interested in a different way. Yeah nobody calls me hopefully those. I don't have an identity crisis moving. Good good good good so listen you know the show. I don't know if you've got an opportunity to listen to one of the podcasts. Or anything like that. But i heard. I heard one of the first episode. Yeah okay good so. The premise of the show is to get people on here. That are turned. They've taken whatever route that they've had in life in order to build a business for themselves. What you do is very very interesting interesting for me definitely interesting. It's also interesting. A lot of different people so i wanted to get you on here. Really pull that back a bit and get understanding of how you got into this. So what how do you. How do you go from like picking up a puppet turn it into a like a real real hustle man. I think that's very. That's a very interesting thing that people want to know about home. Okay so to to fully explain the whole host lethal journey. We gotta start with Me myself on. So i started as a stand up. Comedian i Just as myself you know no puppet on act or anything So i started back in. I wanna say like late. Two thousand six early two thousand seven doing stand up I was doing stand up for about five years and then Around like twenty twelve beginning twenty twelve. I started noticing the own. The trend of the online comedy with the videos in the skits will become a popular so actually had a buddy of mine from mugs. I'm actually originally from boston. Live in your hand. So i was coming up in the comedy game in boston. And i had a buddy of mine who I have been doing comedy for like five years. At this point. He had just started like doing a comedy and then he came to light one of my shows. Kind of check me out. You can get some pointers like later. See this kid. Got like forty thousand followers on instagram. He's getting book for these shows. And i'm like what the hell is this like. I if facebook videos. So i was like noticed like okay like this is kind of like a little wave. Now that can kind of get people you know some some traction attention videos as myself My stage name. When i was doing my regular comedy woody would so. I was doing videos as myself on youtube and facebook. Everything was hitting like that. And then one day i was just brainstorming ideas. My host and my daughter was whitney issues watching little pocket on nickelodeon. It was called crash and bernstein was the name of the show and but A reminded me of a show that i used to watch when i was younger. And it was called my cousin cedar and I kinda just like the whole premise of of the puppet need around humans and the puppy was kind of like his own person malone everybody around him with human. Yeah so. I was like what if i came up with a puerto rican. Puppet did the same thing. Kinda swag on my with the clothes and you have everybody all my boys around the of stuff so i literally that same mate. I googled puerto rican puppet and His name was already jose adequate lethal of expand. His lethal means little. So little jose would and then I decided to schedule. And then at first i was doing those sporadically like maybe like every month. I put out a video on youtube and bill again. Better view that. I was in it as myself by still more focused on my stand up and so The summer of twenty fifteen. Sorry twenty sixteen. I am one of videos. Went crazy viral on facebook. I a million views overnight as started putting all my attention into hoes lethal see him. So you're you're you're you're wave on your own before picking up the poppet you're doing like stand up. What are you doing exactly like for five years. You said before before really before you really picked up a puppet and you're inspired by your daughter which is which is really though by the way how do you how do you do. What were you doing in that timeframe before you that up but five years along. A lot of people could quit in that timeframe right. Listen you know this may not be working for me. I could go on and do something else you stuck with it so what was going on a timeframe that made you think like i keep going okay so like on before like i said when i started stand up this was all pre social media days the is like like i said like the video just blowing up overnight over nation and are so coming into stand up. I was kinda like a student of the game before. I even got into it so i was well aware of the fact that on the up. Hustle is a very slow hustle so like When i was at my five year point like you still a baby like jerry seinfeld as a famous quote that of communicating like a stand. Up yours oldest. How many years you've been doing. It is in goni five year old lady. Still like yeah. You don't really hit your stride and stand up and so the ten year mark and then that's when gaza own there's like levels to it so when you first get into standup you consider the open mic or you're going to hope. Might you trying to get your voice. You're trying to get your jokes together After about a year to you know if if you're going on the right path you should be What they call the opener so like opener on a standard show. This usually three comedians as the headliner. Which is the main guy that everybody's coming to see this feature. Which is the guy that goes right before the headliner. And then there's a opener which would be the guy that comes on first and then you have your host so At about two years you become opener if you know making good traction in the scene stuff in you you progress in So when you open your making any anywhere from like twenty to fifty bucks a night for like a five. Ten minute said san luis making a million bucks a night. And and like i said it's it's grand and then So your five year point. Which was out where i was at before. Laws lethal time. Now you that point you're like a feature so that's considered like a military so you get anywhere from hundreds hundred hundred and fifty bucks for twenty minutes and then try to work your way to become a headliner. you're headliner. you're making about three hundred or five hundred bucks a show and you're doing forty five minutes to an hour but If you have a big name and you can get the seats out seeing that number dramatically increases but on if you're just like a local headliner nobody really knows your name begala areas. You've been in the game for awhile. You get like three and five hundred bucks. So that's why. I was working towards. I was trying to get that a headlining spot on. But then the host lethal stuff took off in that kind. Just leapfrogged me to the headlines. Years before i probably would made it on my own. That's dobro. I'm glad to have you on here before this but understanding how the numbers work in understanding how it works so you was like you was really going around. Like really doing these clubs. These spots for five years. Yeah i was. I had a couple of clubs. Comedy clubs do is. They put the comedians on a roster. So if you're a comedian Every communist party got like a a roster of twenty comedians. And you know every weekend they'll pick five of those guys to come and work for him like if once you become part of that's what you wanna work till is being on the roster comedy club because now you on that retirement and you know it's almost like a job you know you on the on the The shift the payroll so as i. Now you know you got guaranteed work at least once a week or every two weeks you know you got guilty word from this one club and that's what we're trying to do just build up that reputable work different comedy clubs trying to get on iran. Still trying to get different shows and stuff Another thing that gets comedians us. Some traction is doing a lot of contests or festivals. Yeah so like similar to like you ever heard of rolling loud for music. I've i've heard. Yeah i've heard of it before. I've heard it looks like a festival. Comedy has our own version of that of so there's one of the biggest one there is is montreal's called the montreal comedy festival and they got ones like the ones like new york city companies boston. Tommy festival so you enter into these festivals. The farther you get is almost like a mini last comic standing type of thing the farther you get now. You got agents in the crowd. You got other club. Owners battle battle. Comedians and little credit to like i was a finalist. Like me per se. I was a fine. Listen three concerts of the Boston comedy festival. And then the new england comedy festival while made it said finals didn't win the whole thing. But you know that got my name locally buzzing a little law was able to get more bookings from that and stuff like that as there's no. There's a lot of insight there on on how that business works. how do you how do you i. Obviously you really gotta love. Stand up comedy or comedy general to stick with it because like you said like people think that get on stage in two weeks then the next carrie. Hard but it. It's not that easy like like. I said it's that same famous saying it takes ten years to make overnight success as So true especially in the comedy game because it could take you ten years just like it took me two years. Just even see my first comedy money and that was only twenty five bucks lake but have somebody to pay you to do that as got to be huge right like i making your first twenty bucks twenty five one hundred dollars just to get that kind of money initially has got to be used for you as an artist. Actually be. I got it all at once so it was like. I got my first money. 'cause i had one around in a contest of that i was in saw one like a proffer was twenty five fifty bucks. They gave me. But then i made into the final round and i lost came in third place but then after the show the club owner came to me and she was like she was like a on the roster as an opener with twenty five books and then a and it's not just even get twenty five but it's not even just as the opener. You're still like so low on the total that they got through doing all the little random stuff too like seeing people before they get any take tickets. It's like you're an intern in an organization. That's what it is. You gotta put your time in you get to the stage that everybody's been you just say so. You're you decide to become a comic bro. How does somebody do that like. How do they mentally the side. Like this is what i wanna do like. I heard jerry seinfeld story. I just thought just watching his his growth over the years. He comes from a wealthy family like he comes from like he's he's got a decent background so he is he decides to do that straight love like he doesn't need to do that but he does because he he wants to. How do you decide like mentally to go into this field. Like super competitive. Like this is funny. You say that. It took especially when. I was coming up in boston this so many ads. Like that. like They don't necessarily need to do it. They come from money sometimes. They actually benefits those guys because they got the time. They don't have to like me per se as a maintain a full-time job. Like i couldn't even i miss out on certain shows 'cause i would have to wear Hesitate the family stuff. So sometimes it benefits those guys because they get to they all the free time and they got you know trust fund or mommy and daddy paying rent and bills. You know shorter. They all the time in the world to work on the comedy. But for me i always i always wanted to be a stand up committing those since i was like eight nine years. Old hours I used to watch a lot of stained up on with my stepfather at the time Any murphy designed more like this was like in the nineties early nineties in living color. Yeah i love the wayne's brothers Jamie fox show like all those all those shows are came up watching we but we like to influence and like the class clown in classes always net gang. They want you just wanted to be there. That came natural to you that came to you. That whole senator attention type thing that came to be and bussing jokes on the spot. And what i was coming to big. But the your momma jokes. He had to be quick on your feet with the your model jokes. Yeah oh my. I actually my first time ever doing standup was for talent. Show at my high school junior high school. But i was also young all day was like remix a pity move. I remixed a bunch of jokes at heard on. bet comic the comedy genuine replay. Remix them into my own. Because i didn't really know what i was doing. I was fifteen at the time. But i ended up winning third place on that and then I graduated high school food later and i had a job like a us senator back home in boston and One of my supervisors like you said. I was always cracking jokes at work. And you know just always goofy with it and one of my supervisors is i. You know one of my cousins is a stand up. Comedian is a she was like. I'm gonna see. I could get you on one of the shows. 'cause i know you want to get your feet wet with stand up like professionally Had done at that point the talent show and she was like okay. She came in the next day. I didn't really think she was going to be able to do. I like forgot about it and she came into the next day she was like sunday. You have five minutes. Let shoots and. I was like when i show and i spent the whole rest of the week Rating jokes and trying to figure out my for my set was to be ano- away. Did the show share picked me up. Did the show. And i did like so good like i did better than i had expected. I was gonna do to the point whether the the lady that runs the show. Whatever came to after the show. 'cause i didn't tell her that it was my first time doing comedy. Yeah how great. A secret. So when i was on stage i actually mentioned that. Like your thank you guys. Laugh is my first time. I was nervous so she came to me after the show is she's like She's like oh my god. I can't believe that was your first time. She was like. I haven't seen somebody that funny on first hand since dane cook then cooked lexie from boston as well as people don't know he's a big time comedian and so i got gasping the hand. I'm like oh yeah still the next week She's not come back next week. You gotta come back next week. So i come back next week and like i said. I'm still such a rookie in the aid. They either you know stand up. Comedians use the same material over and over again and they building up a set. Like i'm thinking the obvious things like every time you come. They have something new and it's always new jokes so i'm sitting waiting for my turn backstage and a couple of guys from the week before and they all telling the same jokes and i'm like look at these guys they suck. They still tell us the jokes unless we have what. They're doing what they're doing. The bombs with minute badger jokes. I bombed like so hard because the jokes that hit the same and what they're gonna hit the same old and then but i'm glad it happened that way in that order because i think if i had owned the first time i would never came back but in the fact that i did so well the first time they've bombed the second time it gave me the motivation to save my. I have the potential. But now i just need to learn the ropes of the behind the scenes. That how it works. 'cause you know i was a consistency. You know so that the process from there was trying to like become a better standard the initial that initial time that you went and you just got that kind of rush that high right from being on stage and just kind of doing doing your thing was that is that the moment you hooked or were you hooked before that i was through before when i did it for the showing a high school show. Yeah when for the actual comedy club. It was different. It was definitely a different rush. I dunno is different because of low popularity schooling known as the funny guy. Yeah so it's kinda easier to make you know high school kids live like everything's goofy but to be up there on a stage in front all those people completely different scenario. I was standing in front of grown adults Like a real comedy club like people pay to come and see is on like a man but it is. It's a russia and most stand will say it's like once you get that first taste almost like they say it's like a drug like you wanna keep that lasted like that left drug coming 'cause after the show you do feel like a million bucks like oh my god i just two hundred people roku comedy as a business crazy it is crazy i mean i i see the business of comedy is just such an interesting business really. Is you said something about like acids and sees what does a great headliner. what is a great headliner. Get in terms of acids and seats. How many people should somebody. That's a really really good headline it'd be able bring into a room. I'm not talking about kevin hart status. I'm talking about a solid comedian. Okay so a solid comedian I would say anywhere from four to five hundred peeling somebody. That's been making the rounds like you know like like you said not on that kevin hart level on a lot of comedians. Do okay so for example like Vizcaya based out of new york cause. He's a comedian and a friend amos garlic three. You've heard me as podcast too. But like somebody like him will fill out like a four hundred like caroline's i'm know if you've heard of caroline's in new york so that's like one of the middle clubs where site you know you're not doing the garden madison square garden you hit and caroline tracy morgan Like i said a guard free Guys like that. How come through capacity on michael blackson their capacities five hundred. Five hundred door guys will do is. They'll come in. They'll do like a whole weekend. Show showcase is called showcase so they'll do like two shows of night to show saturday night to show sunday night so in total six shows similar each run out five hundred so you know about the end of the weekend. They probably brought out a good two to three thousand people crazy row. Selects myself the out. And you know. I'm not on their level yet but i'm past the local headline I the most. I've ever brought out was Six hundred people and one night And then you know you do the math dependent on the name like the bigger names charge more per ticket you know. They've charging forty fifty bucks a ticket. Me myself i charge like twenty twenty five dollars a ticket Most comedy clubs. What they do is they give you a percentage of the door so you get anywhere from sixty to eighty percent of the door depending on the comedy club and then So you know you do the math flake me per se on the lower end You get if i. If i if i could get a badge show for me would be fifty people. Only only fifty people showed up. But i was still walk away with one thousand dollars for the night bros. people's a lot of people that's crazy and that's on the lower side. Normally i average between fifty to two hundred people were so so usually make any way from like two to five thousand eight. If you know on the on the grand then you add in the merch sales. At the end of the night you know if you got merged that could be like another thousand to fifteen hundred on top of everything so sometimes you you know you can make some really really good money if you if you got a name for yourself and you could get the asses in the seats. And then the comedy clubs. That's all they really care about is if you fill in the seats they don't even particularly care if you're a good comedian people in the door. They make their money on liquor sales in the big beef right now to in the behind the scenes comedy worship. Because it's funny. Because i kind of walk a thin line between both because i started in stand up to the social media in kind of leverage both but you gotta get a traditional stand up guys who like i said earlier were ten fifteen years to become a headliner and they they see some eighteen year old kid an influencing got formulas and they're packing out shows and his own liquor stand up in front of people with the comedy club. Okay because the kids just brought five hundred people like you would the jesus the standard but looking at you crazy like why why. Why was the difference. Is that what you can't get of people in this place. So how do you. How do you navigate this situation. This whole cova situation was it. Sounds like those those doing those shows a big. It's a big deal between getting the bodies into getting that percentage and then at the same time doing like the sales and everything but you've got to merge table you set up over there to sell. How do you navigate that through through this whole covert situation. Whoa it at last. I lost a twenty five thousand I had to cancel a twenty seven tour own had just signed with a new book agency at the beginning of the year Based in la. So i have two agencies. I work with on ones based on new york and The other ones based on la. I just signed with the second one out of la because moms can new york agency was having trouble on the west coast so he linked A different agency that was based out of the west coast to try to get me more exposure out there so way between my two eight relying on a twenty city tour. It was gonna start at the beginning of april end at the end. The may and that's when the whole cove is the kmart so at even get a chance to start my total one last show philly which was march seven and then. I canceled my whole tour because it was going to be sponsored by a live nation as big as promotional company. So that was going to sponsor mysolar a now live nation. There's on a touch any shows until twenty twenty one so right now just starting to get my feet wet with some shows here and there on that. I've been book in in the in the states. That a fully open now like on just did a show of milwaukee and chicago Got another batch. Shows coming up in florida next So i'm just kind of planning by ear as certain cities and states opening up. I'm like promoters or each meal in trying to book me again so my agents trying to get me book again and you know just kind of taking a day by day on ever since the cobras stuff i just kind of flipped it more have been focusing on my social media and online stuff bro. You're you're you're you're very much like a hybrid of like influence and and stand up being what i've noticed this influence or vibe. What i've noticed was that some of these guys they can't transition over to stana and it feels like to me is what i see like stand up is really weird that because then you get bodies in the door. That's where the money's at so be guys because would it is with with instagram. Guys is like. I said they are kind of just came up in arrow where it was like. I said i started stand when there was no social media in our started coming into my own win. Social media was also coming into his own. So i i. I was kind of blessing. That way. canada's was a bright time at the right place everything 'cause I got a taste of both in able to blend them both. But i'm certainly trying to tell guys that all the for both. I trying to tell the stand up. Guys you need to get on social media and get your social media presidents up so then you can leverage the standup more and which the social media guys start working on saints. But you know it's one of those guys you know they. They feel more comfortable in one other. They don't really realize 'cause that thing with instagram. Social media guys. is dan You You fall in love with the other type of money you get from there. Which is i come club. Appearances club hosts ins promotional skates skates. Stuff something some guys get. Branded by big companies with big companies will sponsor them to do certain amount of skits per year or so. Some of them guys are already making a decent amount of money online where they don't really think about this thing that we've been realized that they can make so much money to listening. I'll be trying to tell people all the time. Like i said from both which is funny because mimbo so i stand the guys get on social media like i don't know how you guys do and then same thing with the social media santa was not easy man getting up there in front of a stage being live in front all those people and and having a routine set just. It's not an easy thing to do. I mean you great great comics they make it look easy but it's not easy at all you gotta have perfected over the years and like you said you spent five years before you got you got some kind of momentum doing so i'm sure that's not the easiest thing to do so let me ask you a question you. You're you're building this thing like what's what's next for you. Go man you got you. Do you think like that like all right so right now. I'm doing like these. Like i'm i'm going to stay this state. I'm i'm building up on that like a long term play or a long term plan. Is that cross your mind. I mean because of the whole cova stuff it kinda like sidetracked. My whole playing because i definitely did have a plan of action for this year. The on me and my agencies with talking about and we had a on the original plan was the do twenty city tour. We gonna film the whole thing Put put together a demo for a nets because we was trying to pitch a stand up. Special as lethal to netflix. Has though so we've gotta you know kind of show. The president's that we have the online presidents we also have the In person presidents of being able to do a twenty city tour get people to come out show like show all that stuff how people interact with holes lethal and you know and get the steam that push together and that was the original conway. Let's still an emotional. But we know we just gotta wait till we get back on the road. But in the meantime. I'm just like like i said maintain the social media presence because it all goes hand in hand so China just keep the follow climbing in trying to get the views going up. You know trying to get on that boat. What whatever it is that you're doing is working. I'm i'm a failed bro. i'm a fan i love. I love the. I love the the account. Man i watch it regularly. I mean it's for the people that don't know what you're what you're handle is on. I just hit hit him real quick. They know that. And we'll add that description of the video yeah closed. It's a d. the letter puppy hopefully the j. o. s. e. l. i. t. o. And that's on everything. are also media platforms Actually google to hopefully though the puppet and everything will pop up as well. You've got a youtube channel. Where put stuff up. My youtube is up Got about twenty five k subscribers on youtube as well no I was a those metal form income for me but actually got d monetize recently because My content is just to sexual craze. Look but yeah. I still posted on there regularly because i have a lot of fans that don't have regular social media like facebook or nothing like that so they only watch me on youtube so i try to revoke all my videos from social media on youtube as well as don't so for for somebody that's watching this right now and they're like you you know ten years ago fifteen years ago starting off in the comedy scene. Well what advice would you give them as not enough in comedy. Yeah yeah they just getting their feet. Wet there at the same point that you were when you went to that first show. I'll tell them out. Like i've been saying throughout the podcast. Is you know. Don't be afraid to try all avenues. Comedy on it fee. What with the stand. The feet way with social media and videos and stuff started podcast seek. See what fits you best but don't like You know don't just x. Out something just because you know. That's not for me. 'cause you never know which one is gonna take off like pushing meet burns and in standup within the video. Sydney off and now able to bring it back to the saints so it all comes full circle when it comes to comedy Another thing i would say is just trying to stay as original as possible. Stay away from the cliche. The say jokes His i noticed. Personally it takes people a while to find a voice In comedy that's what it's called like when you kinda cas in the beginning. This is everybody's kinda you just kinda copying what you think comedy is a heart your first show sounding just like kevin hart show like like for me. When i first started. I used to always get eight murphy. Which but it was weird. 'cause i will get you sound like donkey from shrek with some you. Well you you. You know you're mimicking these people. Which is a form of flattery right. You look at them and you'll yeah. Yeah it's almost like a music what you hear like all these new rapids and you're just like they all kind of sound the same they all kind of copying off each other and feed enough that same energy but then after a while you'll notice they'll come out with at one hit song whereas all right now that's his real sound that's his voice. That's how it is in in comedy to think once you kind of feel you filed out in and experiment with jokes. Like for me. For instance i noticed. What's i started being more personal income stories. That really happens. Those always get the best reaction you know. They're all full as opposed to trying to do like the cliche like like right now like allowed to to do turn events of like the presidency. So full of whatever's in the news which you know that stuff gets it over here and there but then that a time limit too because now you only say for so many shows before now. That's last month. News wants to hear about that though when you speak from your own personal experiences. There's no time frame on that you could have one joke. That's really good and use it for twenty years. If he's that good like the truth and comedies timeless. What makes a joke. That's why you can watch like eddie murphy. Skit on youtube from like forever ago and it should still funny timeless comedy. Yeah yeah yeah. That's my actually that-that's some of the best stuff that i like to watch some of older stuff murphy. Stuff is crazy so if people wanna they want support you they want to support what you're doing. Where can they go the other website. Where you sell that dope hat you have a website where you sell some urging like that of course it's wave dot com. Www dot puppet wave dot com an opportunity if you guys want to support as well You can hit up my onlyfans page. only backslash supposedly though the puppy Twenty five dollars a month for Exclusive skits and content on there and yet You can check out my social media pages for updates on my show. See when i'm coming to your town. Come check out our lab show videos. Well every everything counts. Man of you like we comment. So that's the best way to support. And what what i noticed about you rose you. You're you're very very smart. You don't give up any opportunities you leave a lot of the stuff on the table and that that's something that you don't you don't always see in content creators sometimes they. They limit themselves mentally to a certain box. You're smart enough to know that no matter what scenario there's an opportunity that presents itself and this opportunity that currently have right now may not be like forever and i need to make sure that i'm in every box so based on just what i'm hearing from you do the merch you do to stand up. Do you do the influence of thing you do to meet and greets all the way down from like. What was it boston new york. Come down here. A queens hickory. Wins sago a move to new york recently. Big that's big. That's big so if you guys are watching this i got host lethal the puppeteer. All right is that. Is that what people call you the puppeteer like how do you go by. What do you go with the comedian master word. So if you guys want if you guys want to check out page you wanna check out his instagram. It's going to be in the description section of this video. Very very story bro. Turning turning turning puppet turning a puppet into a hustle because you notice your daughter was watching that and she was entertained by that s. That's crazy to me but like that's going to resonate with me definitely. I think i'm actually the first The i've no at night scene because most committees do very right which i'm not like you said puppeteer fair with hosted lethal you know. Throw them a voice. I'm behind the puppy stage. Yeah is the public is a stand up comedian. So i feel like that's the first of its kind. So so that's what makes little difference especially to there's so many of these guys jeff dunham right. There's there's the the muppets guide got it used to him. Yeah yeah it's it's a big thing but not many people are doing in our communities. It's not big. Yeah what he took is like before medicine because people think like this big public freak before lethal i could care less about interest in the public game like i've done my research on jim henson on the guy that played elmo tool got a documentary on netflix. That was kind of cool They've all my research. These guys in trying to get that behind the scenes. Look on the on the puppetry side of things too. Besides this the up of and it's cool with the world is a whole nother world on his own as well yeah. It's very very interesting. So you guys want to check. Check this out. Make sure you hit his instagram. Makes you you hit his website. Support the guy if you haven't seen his instagram page. It is hilarious very very funny. An all around good dude. This is my guy hosts a lethal the puppeteer master checkout page. It'll be into description section of the other video what we're doing. Make sure you. You hit that button. You subscribe and don't forget. Businesses always personal. 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Episode 91 - Sayonarasville

Congratulations with Chris D'Elia

54:21 min | 2 years ago

Episode 91 - Sayonarasville

"Disodium. Congratulations is brought to you by the cash shop. You already know the cash shop is the number one finance app on the app store. What you might not know is that you can also put cash up in your wallet with the cash card. It's got boosts. It's got great safety features. No credit check needed to get one. So that's good. We'll talk about this more later on in later on in the show, download the cash app for free on the app store or Google play market. Now. Crazy. Crazy crazy. We're here you guys and I thought we would start off the new congratulations episodes since last episode was. We got the new, we got the new sharp Shannon. Sharpe has a new, not new, but it's it's a other means that I was alerted it to the show me more. He's just going. I mean, he is a cartoon dude. That guy's awesome. I know I talked about it last time, but when he goes, well, we'll we'll, we'll unbelievable. Let's let's here we go. Here we got here at this. Like, what is he doing. Whoa, whoa. Dear. I love Shannon. Sharpe. I wanna be fucking friends with that guy. Dude. He would not like me, you know, he'd be like what you'd be really annoying. You know, he be like, wow, man, you'll be a mad annoying, and I'd be like, well, and he'd be like, no, no. Well, we'll, whoa, don't do that. So, yeah, dude, we're here, man. I was in a fuck and nother country. I was in another country dude. Since I seen you last I've been in another country. Do that's how fucking disrespectful traveling all on your, like? I'm fucking common, San Diego, dude, like fucking Carmen sandiego. Everytime I, when I posted a meme, how millennia Trump looked like spy versus by everybody goes like this. Nah, she's Carmen sandiego and I just go, Nope. She's what I said. I don't like when I eat something and then somebody else. Tries to be funny and back to it and like, I don't know them and they're just like, yeah, but also what about this? You should have said this and I just go like this. No, what I said. I just go. You know, he's like forty eight and he does that. That's amazing. Dude, I can't wait to get older older and just fucking be. I feel like the older you get the fun year. It is the more you do dumb shit. You know, like if you're twenty and you, the dumb shit is funny, but if you're twenty if you're forty five and doing that same shit, I mean, that's hilarious. Dude to be like dancing in a supermarket in your twenty could be funny. But if you're forty five, forget it. No, that that that third wall is the best or the fourth one, whatever it is you know which one I'm talking about. Anyway, I was in another fucking country due disrespect. Daddy gets man. Now. Yeah, I'll do a podcast go to another country, extra paper, scoop that up, and then just fuck and come back. L. o. cool. J song, dude, fresh at the private jet Europe, extra paper scooped add up, dude. Yeah, I'll go to fuck in another country, extra paper, scoop that up. And then I'll flip and come back to LA dude, like date in happen. I'll do that or go to another country like it didn't happen. Anyway. So I'm fucking chilling. I went to Vancouver, whereas I like to call it cuvee. You know what I mean? Just because I'm fucking real specific. I make my agents say cuvee if you get me get gigs in Vancouver, I say where and he's Vancouver and I say, I don't know. I'm sorry. I don't know what you're talking about, and I wait until they say, oh, sorry, cuvee. And then I say, sign it all do it, but I will not go to Vancouver cuvee only go to cuvee baby. So I went there and I did. I did a show in Portland, which by the way, more upside down heads than ever seen in my life. So fucking many, long beards with short hair, Portland figured out dude, when you land important and you're like, oh, I can only be in Portland. They got fucking those those circular glasses flannels like reddish beards, they're like not quite Canadian. You know what I'm talking about their up north, but they're not quite big. They're more like the, they're like the fuck in the runt. The runs of the fucking Canadian families moved down to Portland is what it looks like. And they just get wired rimmed glasses and then have to study because they can't chop wood and it's raining all the time. So they fucking there. They stay indoors and just like. Fucking do like smart stuff, you know, because they can't be outside anyway. So Portland was great. I did two shows there can't remember the fucking theater at all because every day is the same day and everything fucking blur together as cool. Probably gonna get dementia when I get older, I do however, remember the show in Seattle and I will say it was in Seattle, even though it was in Snoqualmie which is forty minutes outside of Seattle. But whenever I fucking say online. Yeah, thanks, Seattle. They say no, you in equality. And I say done Matt because I fucked in. You know what I mean? People be like, yeah, but come to Seattle, no traveled, fucking two thousand miles to get there. You travel thirty. If you wanna comment, if not fine. It's okay because it's going to be sold that anyway. Yeah, man, but the show and Snoqualmie was okay. The crowd, the rooms are the room all curtained like every wall had a curtain on it, and then they were like curtains behind me and like a curtain in the back. It was just like the laughter dissipates when there's curtains. If there's if there's hard walls like we got here at the congratulations long, log cabin. Those fucking things bounce off in the laughter. Sounds great. But anyway, but it was a good. It was a fine show and actually paper scoop that up. And then I went to fuck in Vancouver. I'm sorry. Cuvee and I did two shows there at the Molson Canadian theatre. Which was which were great. I love Canada, man, I fucking love can every time I go to Canada. I'm like, how much do I love Canada. So I did two shows their extra paper scooped out to two shows there. And that's too, and and that's it. And now now here's the best part about the whole weekend for me. Okay. First of all, you want to get tickets. I'm coming to Miami, Oklahoma, Fresno. I'm coming to fucking Jacksonville. I'm coming all sorts of places. Go get him a crystalline dot com. Here's the best part about the weekend. Okay. So I wake up Portland, I wake up in LA and I text to my opener. And my tour guy passports because we're going to Portland, I and I figure I don't have to, but I wouldn't. I want to remind these fuck ups that you gotta bring your passport because we're going to end up going to Vancouver, right? So we gotta get in there because guess what? Daddy's going to have his passport. And if you don't have your passport, daddy's leaving you behind. And daddy's gonna go to cuvee baby an extra paper scooped up. All right now now we get to. Now now now I text them that now the car picks us up at my house so they come to my house. I even though they try to finagle that every time they're like, well, could you come pick me up? No. 'cause I'm the headliner you come to me and then we leave from here. Why the fuck would I wanna make an extra stop even though I'm fucking you know what I mean? Extra extra stop. No scoop that up, right? Don't scoop up the extra stop at all. So I text them passports. There did my due diligence did my did my shit didn't have to. Okay. Now. Let me sign up at this appear. So now I. I'm doing that. I go to the, I get, I get, they show up. They work out the merch shit, they do we. We put the merchant the car in the car. And I say, as we're leaving for the airport from my house, I say, guys get your passports, right? And my opener, Mike goes like this. Yeah. Well, well, you know, on the way here I realized I forgot it, but I always keep my my passport card in my wallet and that's good for North America. So it's all good. Now, like I told you to bring your fucking passport and he was idea, but it's all right. It's why I have this in case I forget my passport. I always have this, which is so first of all, so dumb to get to have a fail safe in case you forget your passport. Just don't ever forget your passport. You fucking asshole. If you're going to another country. Okay. So now I'm pissed k. doesn't take much to get pissed messy when I'm on the road. I don't want. I want to be stressed free. I gotta worry. Outperforming now his opener. It's been forty seconds, pissed it mope inner. Okay. So Zach Don covy. Oh, my tour guys. Just going like this. Idiot. Forgets his passport. Why didn't you as my tour guy tried to fuck and make sure that he had his Pat, but so far they're both failing. Okay. So I say, all right, man, guess what's happening if I get in, you don't believe in you to go scoop up my paper. All right. So now. We do Portland and the whole the whole time there's this underlying stress was, I don't know if I'm going to have my fucking hire new opener. You wanna get there to Vancouver 'cause he's not gonna be able to do so I get to. We get to the drive into Vancouver. We're going from Seattle to Vancouver Snoqualmie whatever the fuck and we drive in the driver gets and we get there. I've never driven over any borders ever in my life. Okay. So we drive over the border. We park kind of, we stop rather the drivers like you guys have to stay in here. I gotta go in and give them my paperwork first and then you can come out that when I come out, then you guys go back in. So he comes out and he's like, go ahead and give it everything there. So we go their mouth a little bit nervous. You know he is because you know that he forgot his passport and you know, he wishes he had his passport Kearney says good from North America, so leave it on him. So I go, we get the rudest fucking guy ever there, and I don't understand when people are fucking rude about the border shit. It's like dude, first of all, take it easy. Okay. Yeah, you're standing up a little bit higher. Why are they always a little bit higher too? It's so annoying. All they get up on this fucking step. AM. Why? Who gives a fuck be my level? Hey, guess what? E- probably shorter than me anyway. K. who cares? You still have the control. Step up, step higher, dude. It's like that. Bit Seinfeld hat about the pharmacy, like why are they fucking higher than you anyway? So I do the, we go, the guy's never cracks a smile and nothing. We do it all works out. And and Mike, I told you bro. So good for North America and Jackson. He was right. So we get over and I'm like, all right, good man. Good. Trust me. I'm happy. I'm happy we got over. All right. So we do this show. We do two shows. And then we come back the next day we go, but we're flying back to LA. All right. So we get to the airport and we are loaded up the bags and all the shit we check in and the lady says, passports, and I give her my passport and Zach gives her his passport and then might gives her passport card. And she says, where's your passport? And he says, well, what? That's my passport card? And she says, oh, this is good for Landon. See it says it right on the card. It says on the card. Good for land. And see. Now, let me tell you what that means in case you're listening and you're as fucking stupid as my opener. That means you can either use the passport card to drive over the border or swim over the border or beyond about Kay. So he says, oh, it's good for North America. And she says, no, it's just for land and sea. And he says. And she says, well, look, I'm going to let it go this time, but you might actually have a problem at customs when you get there and. Fucking smile, and I can't wait to be on the other end of the fuck and customs and be looking at my shitty, no shouldered opener and going like this. Can't wait. Can't wait. Cause it's going to be a major told you so. Okay. Cannot fuck and weight and Zach the whole time. Okay. So now. We get to that. Fuck in like electronic kiosk where you put your passport in, you know? And he, he looks at me and he says, we're do. I put this and I said, hey, man, I don't know because we're not traveling. Oh, and he actually said, Lyndon, see what the fuck. He actually said, what the fuck? I thought, you know, we're flying over the land. Eighty idiot air you fuck up. So now he gets these put the car does like you can't put the cart anywhere, man, the passport somewhere. And and so we're going over the fucking thing and they say, well, you go first and they point over to the guy and he's like, I hope I got a good guy. And Mike goes over there, and I see is bitch face, like just like agreeing and being a fucking bitch, just agreeing so hard and saying stuff like, you know, he's calling, you know, he's calling America his home. Do you know what I mean? Just trying to go back home like that's what he was doing. Some fucking movie in one thousand nine forty on just trying to go back home, you know. And so I got there. I got, and we see him go through customs and I was like, looks like he made it, you know, and then Zack's like looks like you wouldn't make them go to the other room. He did detain them and I was like, no, Zach, it says to the gates, he's like, no, the detained in them. So now I'm extra. Matt Zach, because he's not getting what's going on. And also I'm secretly hoping Zach is right because I want them to date him and I'd get through and my Mike's wait in their house like you lucky motherfucker. ANZAC ends like all got through all. And I was like, I knew we got through NYU. You're not act like he was detaining him and he got through. But I was like, dude, I wish you learned a lesson and he's like, I did dude because emotionally and fucking mentally he went through. But when that fucking girl said this says, land and sea, dude, I wanted to piss myself. I want it to piss in the shape of a stray, Leon, my jeans. Yeah, I did. And the guys like you need the passport book for air for the airport always. And he's like, okay, sir, he's trying. He was being so respectful. See, that's the thing I don't like when people are respectful. Look, it says right here. The passport card cannot be used for international air travel. I'm gonna take care. I'm going to take a picture of that right there. And send it to my fucking bitch ass opener. But that's the thing did when people are respectful only when they need to be respectful, that's not cool. Dude. That's not cool. That's why I like Bobby Lee do it. He's the same way he is for everybody. If you met Obama, he'd be like what's up Obama. If you my balls or whatever the far you know. But yeah, people you gotta, you gotta love people who are the same with everybody, and my opener is not. He's respectful to people who are who we need something to, and he's not fucking respectful once he gets to know you. And that's fucked up. Anyway, Landon sick Riddick you'll out. So now we got like an hour and a half, and I see, of course, Alonzo boat and then the airport because I always see Alonzo boat in the airport, and I say, CNN comedian, see each other at the airport so much that even when you don't even stop to talk, you could be like friends with them. Like Alonzo Baudoin's my friend. He was on the phone and I just literally went April what's up and we stop hands. I said, and I kept walking majesty someone, you know there, but you stop, you talked to him, you know. But I knew I was going to see him for Tuesday at the improv, probably anyway, you know, that guy is a fucking killer comic by the way Alonzo boat and I love. I love Alonzo Bodden if you have a chance, go see Alonzo boat and if he's in your tickets, if your city get tickets, look up. So he's also the biggest man I've ever seen in my entire life. The guy is fucking he's like the fantastic four. What's the rock guy? What's his name? The thing dude, Alonzo boat is if everyone in the world fought to the death Alonzo Bodden would come in seventeenth. That's how fucking big and strong. So anyway. So anyway, now we're sitting and we have like an hour and a half waiting for the waiting for the food. And are waiting for the plane. And then we sit down, we order food and this is something this is something that guys do that girls don't do. And this was the shit, dude. I love doing shit like this. I don't like pranks. I don't like pranks you know, I've pranked my opener. I wore the same shit as he did on stage and made them look like a month for combat of, but I don't like pranks. I don't like like my buddy was like, oh, you gotta practice guy do the. My buddy loves pranks, but tried to get to prank semi open. I don't want to do pranks. I don't like that shit. Okay. So one time. No, not one time. Got I can hear myself. So now we're, we're sitting, we order food and we order these fucking chicken Tuscan sandwiches. By the way, if you're going to order something and the word, if you're ever wondering what to order to restaurant and the shit says Tuscan in it, go and fuck in order because I don't know what flavor that is, but Tuscan tastes fuck and good. I swear to God. If something says Tuscan gimme two. So if it's a chicken Tuscan chicken sandwich, dude, go, fuck and get out of here. Get out of here. I think you ever you ever go down on a check and it tastes good, and you just look up and you just say, now that some Tuscan pussy. My fucking data listens to this podcast. You know. So. Under the Tuscan under the Tuscan dude. Have you ever been under the Tuscan sun Albro that's when you get the LS tan of all time. How dope his Tuscany? Is that what it is Tuscany in Italy? Is that what they mean is Italian Tuscan under the Tuscan sun dude. Have you ever seen under the Tuscan sun? Imagine watching under the tusk kids with fucking what's her name? Diane lane, of course on the okay. Let me tell you something. If you thought of the movie the under detest can son movie poster. You if you don't know what it is. Imagine what under the Tuscan sun, the movie poster is there. That's what it is. That's what it is. She's in front of a Brown wall with a picture of outside on it, and there's a guy offscreen handing her flowers. Chick, see that and just go, let's go chick, see that poster and say, is it on Netflix or Hulu chicks look at that and say, I'll get Amazon prime for that. All you need. If you wanna get the chicks fucking involved with your streaming service, get under the Tuscan sun done. Fifty percent already fifty percent of your revenues from chick's get that and the fuck in anything with Sandra Bullock. Even the fucking movies where she played like the net. So what the fuck was I talking about? No clue. What was I talk? Okay, so I got the Tuscan chicken sandwiches, and I say, yeah, let me get a Tuscan chicken sandwich. And then my opener says, yeah, I'll do that too. And then goes three. So we wait twenty minutes takes way too long to get the Tuscan chicken sandwiches. Maybe they needed to fuck and go get them from Tuscany, right? That's the stupid joke that everyone always does. Hey, ordered a burger. What did they have to fucking kill the Cal? Yeah. Okay. So anyway. I get, we get the sandwiches. They're so good, but guess what? They're small and there's not enough chicken in them. All right. So I say, man, my open ROY said, Mike always says, I get, I could get more. I get another one and I said, yeah, let's get another one. We'll get another round Tuscan chicken sandwiches, right? So we do that. And then Zack who's fucking puffing on his jewel, which is knowing his shit anywhere short stood. He wears. She's a guy who kind of guy with shorts and a long sleeved sweater, the fucker you in NWEA. So so now we were waiting for the sandwiches and Zach goes like this. I want to Starbucks and we're like, well, let's wait for the sandwiches. She's not going to get a Starbucks. You want something. I say, no. And he says, okay, I'll be back. So as he leaves, we get the sandwiches the three sandwiches. Okay. Now I eat my sandwich. All right. And Mikey, TIs sandwich. Mike says, hey, man. You think Zack can fuck is going to come back. Before we finish these and I say, bro, I already am ahead. I'm eating half his ex sandwich. If you eat the other half, fuck it. And he says, okay, he says, let's just tell them, we cancelled the order. Okay, and you go, yeah, we'll do that. So we tell them, we. So we eat the fucking they're done. Take the. She takes the plates away. Then that comes back with fucking three, Starbucks, Starbucks, the food come yet here and we go. Now we cancelled it and Mike is so bad at this Mike site. We cancelled it and I'm like, yeah, now we cancelled it. We thought we don't need another fucking thing. And Zach says, yeah, that's true. I don't eat another sandwich and then so we get to. So we eat, we finish, we pay check. We leave and then on the plane were not sitting with each other. So I text on the chain Hazak and he says, I say, I need to tell you something, and he says, yeah, I says, remember. How we set we. We went to order the second sandwiches. There's before we take off and you say. We need to get the order the sandwiches at we ordered sandwiches cancelled it. And he says, yeah, and I said, well, guess what? We didn't cancel them. We, we got here when you're at Starbucks and we fuck it. And before I wrote, we ate them Mike chimed in and wrote this kinda shit ruins my day. We are them. He didn't check his fucking. Kurt dammit. He didn't check his fucking spellcheck. We are them. So he's wrote we and I wrote, no, we ate them. Oh, wow. Mike, fuck. And and I wrote, oh, Mike, fuck and ruined the day. Dude. He ruined the fucking prank. Zac sitting there hungry on the plane after he ate a fucking do it, and we were laughing. We were laughing now that's something chicks would never do. And that's why I like being a guy because you could fuck and. Fuck that. Dude, I ate your sandwich, motherfucker. You went to Starbucks. Dude. Don't sleep. You know what? I'm getting ready to play. You went to Starbucks motherfucker. I know mobile, I ate your sandwich. You'll beats sway chill fit swag. You're seeing what you fat motherfucker. She'll be weightless trying to do it. I know. Sandwich. That's how it should be says, fat motherfucker the first off eight, just eight to can chicken. First of eight Tuscan chicken. And your popcorn. Dude, you got this dude, he got fucking popcorn. She was like, you got fries and she was like, we don't have fries. We have truffle popcorn. No, and he says, yeah, I get that. Who the fuck gets truffle the popcorn as substitute for you should be fucking shamed for even trying to substitute it. And he was a hug it that. And then she brought the thing without the popcorn and says, we're the fries. And she said, well, you mean the popcorn. And then she left and he said, what? And you got fucking trouble popcorn, man. Anyway. We love prank and babies. We love prank and babies. That's what we do. Right? I'm going to do a mid roll here. 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So we ate zak's lunch, and that's, that's shit that chicks would never do magin chicks ordering and then being like what's good another round. And then the girl goes, I'm gonna get a Starbucks, and then it goes like, let's eat her fucking food. And then the imagine that happening. And then the girl coming back and being like, what the heck did an ordering. Really? We cancelled it and the girl would be like, okay, well, that's kinda weird, but okay, I wasn't part of that decision, but okay, consensus, but okay. And then imagine on the plane. First of all, imagine on the plane. They weren't sitting together would never happen. Girls will be together no matter what. And then imagine them texting each other and being like, hey, guess what? Guess what. Rebecca. Let me tell you remember, do you remember when we said you went to Starbucks and we decided to cancel, we said, we decided to cancel the food. Yeah, guess what? We ate it bitch. Anyway, let me get home that's watch under the tests concern. Yeah, do it. But I've always been fucking gangster light that eating people's food. You know, I have always been gangster like that. Dude, gimme. I'm talking about. Because I. Yeah, man, one time, dude. I think it started when I was a kid because when I was a kid we were at this. We had this mobile toy that was this shit. It was just a batmobile is a fucking batmobile was like, DAT bay was Yay big, my brother and I will play with it and we're always fighting over it. Now I, here's some here. My dad fucked up. My dad fucked up royally. Here's how we fucked up. He goes like this, you know what? So they don't fight how many get them another batmobile and they can just play with about mobile. Now you might not know how fucked up already, but I do. I do. So he brought back the batmobile and he said, now, now you got to. You're never fight over again and guess what we fought over the new one. Dude, hey dad, you fucked up. If you're going to get one new batmobile you get to know batmobiles and then you get rid of the old one because now this is of course spoiled brat ship. But the Mattel you something did. Of course, we're going to want to fuck a new one. The other one had like a, the headlights came up and only one king kind of came up and the other one was kinda Janke. I told him I signed. I was like, you that up. And he was like, what I was trying to do is saying, I think that's so you to try to do it like that before it up. You know, it's deeper and deeper issues, sniper, and so. Yeah, I was. We were prepared, man. My dad used to hang my dad used to hold things out like my toys out of the crib, and I will be like just at a reach and we're trying to get him among we look what the fuck you doing. And he would be like, I'm preparing him for life. He can't get everything he wants literally. So now the one time dude, I, as my brother was in his crib, my dad says he has a memory of this and he watched it and I'll never forget it. And my brother was holding onto the crib. Just like this, like. Just hold onto the crib to standing up like, you know, babies always look like they're bussing and not because they can't ever standstill or whatever. And they're just like fucking like this. And so he was holding onto the crib. And my that said, I walked by and just went boop boop and knocked his hands over any fucking fell on his ass. That's what's up dude. Don't put that shit right in my face. I'll knock you down. Dude, I, there is nothing I used to like more when I was a kid, then fuck in making my brother fall down. It was so dick dude. I would knock my brother down all the time. It I, you know what I used to love doing. I, I wonder if there's anybody out there that you that love doing this ship used to love doing this. I used to take the big pillow. I used to take first of all, I used to take the little pillows and I used to rock at them at my brother's head when he started walking and he would, I would love to try and get it. Just got a fucking lunatic. I would love to get it to just like just the amount to where I'd I'd throw it not hard enough, but not too light that it would hit his head and he would like teeter for a little bit. And he tried to catch his balance until he fell down. I used to get that sweet spot till he. We'd take like I to see like how many. Steps she would have to take before he fell down. I think I got to like seven once he was just like, no, no, no, no, what will and then gone, right. So when you got bigger, I used to, I was like all these pillars. They don't work anymore. Fuck that, dude, daddy. Got crafty, I took the fuck and pillars you use to sit on. I I wouldn't take those bitch, throw pillows, fucked down about the thought he was going to get two big. Well, I'm getting the pillows that we fucking sit on bitch. That's what we're doing. We're getting the pillows with zipper on it, and we're gonna rock it those because now I'm big. I could carry those dude and I would rock it those big ass pillows. I'd make them take seven or eight eight steps to cyanide, Ville, dude. That's it. Oh, you've taken a fucking. Are you going? Are you going to fuck in a dude? How about this man? La- not. Hey, how about my? Are you my opener? Dude, you better get your passport card because you're traveling over the border to fuck and cya Ville. That's what you're doing. Dude. That's what you're doing. Hey, take trip head. Get your passport card here. You go have a fucking fun time. Scien NAR, dude, I would fuck. He would take so many fucking steps over to sign. Ours Ville man and he loved it. He would left so hard. Don't get me wrong. Man. I didn't make them cry. One time I did because the zipper hit his. I fucking awful. That's pretty much the last time I did that. My mom got real mad at me. I was like my zipper. I just rock it. The pillows to his head. I didn't know the zipper was gonna hit his eye. She was like, you can't rocket pillows to your fucking three-year-old. Brothers head start getting them so big. I'm using the fucking Bill Parisian. I'm going to throw rocks at this motherfucker. I'm gonna take the whole bed frame and just push it over on them. I love to making my brother fall down how cute was it? Having fucking brothers, dude, how cure kids, man, one with this video of us walking up the driveway and I had a fucking stick and I was like, I'm an old man and my my dad was like, filming. I was, oh, you're an old man, and then my brothers right behind me and he doesn't have a stick. But he was just like, I'm an old man too, and I'm like, man, you gotta get the fuck stick asshole. Like I still look at that tape and I'm like, that's so shitty that he just tried to copy my shit, but didn't even take the fucking like didn't actually get the stick come on, dude, I do the work dude. That's why knocked you out your ass. Over the fucking pillows, bro. You deserved it. You know, you didn't deserve a pillow in your eye, but. I mean a fucking zipper in your eye, but don't don't use this use a stick. Otherwise you're going to go to. You got to a one-way ticket to sign. Ours Ville dude. I loved my brother. I, I love my brother. I got him ready for real life. Dude. You know, if you're gonna come see me, go Krista dot com. And I now on in. Disrespecting you for a little bit. You gotta keep you guys on your toes on talking, and then all of a sudden you had to hear it and you had to hear it, and that's fine, dude because this is this is what life is. You know. Fuck man. Love my life. You know, it's so cool that I get to do what I wanna do. I put out a tweet the other day that I get to do what I want to do for a living. Dude. I'm so fortunate. I'm so happy and I'm so grateful. Thank you for all everyone who ever is come to show. It really makes me feel really good that I get to do this and we're all in this together. You know, we're trying to fuck and built his log cabin and get this going, and I got a call because honestly. The epilepsy questions, because honestly, you know, it gets hard out there. Man. Sometimes you put out a tweet and people fucking come at you and say, like, you suck, you know, as long as I got the fucking going strong, it's on baby. I tweeted shit about that. Rockstar video game thing, dead red, dead redemption. And everyone got so mad. I guess I miss worded it. You know, I was trying to say that. People don't really care if they're tweeting and that's all they're doing. But I realized too after I tweeted it that movements do exist now, I know that, but I didn't really think about it. It is weird how you can. I mean outrage culture is fucking crazy, and it's definitely gone too far, but you can really start a movement just by tweeting. It's fucking weird. You never used to be able to do that. That's why everyone would get away with shit. You know. So, yeah. I mean, people are upset with everything like I was making fun of fucking Takashi on seven, and I started, I say, like, dad, she's so sexy that something so sexy about her, you know, and I started calling her gemology part two. And people are like, hey, somebody was like, it's not bad to be a woman. You shouldn't make fun of dude. Okay. I'm also making fun of his name like I'm just being silly, you know, like you should literally just look at those tweets and just be like. WPRO just look at those tweets, read every one of my tweets and remember. No problem. I love the guy in the background to he has no idea what you're saying. Oh, it's so funny when you realize a guy in the back really Lonzo. Show. You know, it's so funny too because he's, he's actually you can tell in his heart, you hear that. Here that I know that what that is that is a wait is this that guy's a racist he does. He thinks, oh, is this like some black guy thing. Is he saying? And then he'd probably realized that you're saying that ain't no problem, but he was like, oh, is this a new black thing? I don't know about? That's what he's doing. The problem. He's like this black guys doing the black thing that's racist did I can tell bro. I'm good man guys, racist just based off. Yeah, let's start some questions. My baby. Sometimes we get going with the questions. Is that it was that who he was talking to skip Bayless. Have you ever seen skip, Bayless, Instagram, first of all, skip. Bayless. What are you? Did somebody. Draw you. Are you fucking superhero. Are you an author? You'll look at skip Bayless, dude. Skip Bayless. It'll be like he does. He does that thing. Mark Wahlberg does waking up and get an atom and it's like three ten in the morning. Dudes, how hard to skip Bayless have an orgasm. By the way, skip Bayless has an orgasm so hard that he blacks out afterwards for fucking twelve seconds. And then he wakes up and he's just like holy shit, and he's like, turned on the dolphins game. Skip Bayless wakes up so fucking. I bet he wakes up look at skip, Bayless, dude, the way we got to go with this guy when there's only wakes up your wakes up and he goes, I guess. He goes. Like he's excited for another day guys like that are crazy. Anyway, let's start some questions. Skipping Shannon. Just goes. That's so funny. Skip Bayless. I woke up three. Austin Lopez at Austin Lopez. What topics do you get on your pizza brow? You can get a bunch of topics, but we don't get is forgoing any fruit. Fuck this pineapple bullshit. You get pepperoni. I get that and also like to get a veggie shit, I'd like to get the veggie. And then I like also, why are you fucking asking me this cares? You really give fuck what I put on my pizza Pepple Bisbal. You're really gives shit. What am I? What are you a fucking teenage mutant ninja turtle you give a shit about pizza this much. Why is it a discussion? What top is you get on your pizza? Fucking you know what? I get car parts. How about that. All right. What else. People are United. How about when people call dog, wanders lipstick, well, Trevor mess Twenty-three. Well, it looks like that. You know, it looks like that every time I twist my dog's dick lifts comes out, like lips do that. I do. You have to manually do it. I go to my dog and I and I opened and I twist his penis and it comes out. Anyway, I'll never be running for fucking mayor. Oh, I mean come on bro. Look this guy trying to be fucking cute thoughts on people who take shit in a year in bro. What we're are, you go oughta Malla. What are you talking about? Imagine you walked into a fucking like a a Diamondbacks game game bathroom, like where they're playing Diamondbacks and you're just. Gotta take own my God and he's sitting there taking a fuck and rump in a in a urinal just like. He would be doing that, and I would be the fucking skip Bayless. One time I went to piss and I was peeing next to the guy by the way. Let me tell you something girls. You probably don't know this and guys don't talk about this a lot. They don't talk about this a lot, but. You urinal suck. They suck. Do you almost how much piss is on my jeans and shoes because it always fucking. Bounces back it splashes back. Hey, girls, just so you know, guys have piss all over their jeans and shoes always. Always dude. If you see any urinal everywhere across the nation across the globe. Except for in Asia because they in a hole. There's piss lakes under them. You have to literally stand far back so you don't stand in piss while you're pissing. And that is a problem. That is a problem. That is a problem. No. No problem. So, yeah, so it always splash it back. So I always opt to go for the fucking stall, you know? But then sometimes I stand far back and I stood far back one time I did it and the guy goes like this, hey, I was a kid though, and he was a gay man. You want to get a little closer or what like he was all mad. I said, what are you talking about? He thought it was trying to look at his dick, you know, hey guy, that guy you have another question or is that it was fucking bunk. Ask questions. One is not doing his job. What are your thoughts on the Harlem Globetrotters do have you ever see they're the shit, Jack, almost spot tola sit down. The Harlem Globetrotters into ship. They do all sorts of tricks shit. What is it during the all star game or something? I don't know bad. Who are they? What did he do? What was that? You know what the Harlem Globetrotters was such an eighties thing like they probably still around today because they have like home globetrotter purists. But like they had the the ball that was rainbow and the things and they used to do like trick stuff and play trick players. I remember as a kid. Thinking, why don't they play in the real league? There's so much better than regular basketball players because they could do all the tricks as a kid. I didn't understand. I was like, well. Michael Jordan can't do those balancing off the ball things they twist around and do a fucking thing. Don't even try Tripoli for the shit. These guys names curly Johnson. Is there a fucking eighties name more than curly Johnson on believable? They used to holler, go journals and they would didn't. They have like a team that would play against them always. Washington generals, and they would always be like the the bitches. They'd let them play against them. And the Washington generals will be the bitches and hardwood drought fucking work. Hubert auspey. I mean, these names, Paul Gaffney Paul Showtime Gafni they all had names with Hubert. Geese auspey. It's about one geese. Showtime, boo was one of his name's curly boo. So cool for kids, though. Man, kids loved the Harlem Globetrotters. I love the arm. I like basketball, like the Harlem Globetrotters. As a kid. I wanted to be Harlem globetrotter. The acting that they do like WWF. But anyway. I think they're cool man guys like that. Have fun you. That's what sport should be Thuc all competition. You know, did you see the Rondo and Chris, Paul, dude, how sneaky was Rondo when he did that? Fuck. And I thought it was Chris Paul's fault. And then he saw the slowed-down shit that the rocket sent into the officials, bro, Rondo, fuck and spit on Chris Paul. Oh man. What is far into way that movie? I think Tom Cruise did that once in that movie, but Rondo, fuck and spit in Chris, Paul and Chris, Paul put his finger in his face by the way, Chris, Paul don't do that punch bro. He was so mad, you know what to do, I shouldn't. I shouldn't punch, but I'll push my finger in his face bro. You should have punched him as hard as you possibly could. Have you spit in his face because it would've still been his fault, man. That's crazy. Dude, Rondos sneak, fuck, you know for doing that and yet is the best part was to when he spit he had his hands on his hips, like he was like, I'm not doing that. I'm not a problem. And then Chris Baldwin. And most is finger and was that okay, Evan crow, -ther at kroth, underscore, Evan. How about frenemies. Yeah, I go to my podcast sometimes because you fucking disrespectful to you, but and that's being respectful. You know, that being disrespectful is being respectful because me being true self. How about frenemies that's saying is so dumb. What does it mean your enemies k. is that what you mean? The guy said like just enemies, right? Yeah, I guess, or is it like a friendly like. Ribbing thing or is like, you hate somebody, but you've got to keep them close what even is a friend of me. That's a stupid thing. I don't like when people words together just 'cause they rhyme or whatever, you know, like what's another one like that. You know what's like that fucking when girls named Ashley think it's cute to call themselves smash -ly. Oh. Yere. Smash Lee. You know how many dude, if your name is Ashley and you and your friends go used, smash, Lee, get new friends, and if it was your choice and your life. Yeah, dude, smash. -ly. So not cute and original. Also. How long you to do that for. Expected any motherfuckers I'm not getting enough oxygen that's for sure. I just added to show in San Antonio tickets on Christa Leah's Kristalina dot com. Got a second show in San Antonio backing up fucking Brinks. Truck, dude. Oh, shit. Where's the Dunbar? Where's the Dumbarton truck. Got some Las Vegas shanty nez. Got so coming up Windsor Ontario, San Antonio. Farting on you, mother fuckers. You understand me straight up. Fuck farting on you. Mother fuckers. That's it. That's the only questions we got. Well, we may end early man. You guys are fucking group of babies, but I'll tell you what, though, you know what it is, man. It's like every episode sometimes going gonna be a longer than are sometimes not going to be long hours sometimes going to be sure I've been out, you know what I mean? Often. But I love it. Did I love you guys. Tells them stories of kick it. I guess we'll finish up dude. It's been fucking over fifty minutes. You know, represents short darling. How about a guy that calls a girl, darla, sweetheart, sexist. All right. I'm going to head on out of your download the cash app free on the app store or Google play market and to rewards code. Congrats get five dollars and give dollars two times up. 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Part 1: Jordan Harbinger on Student Loan Debt, plus The News (ACS June 11)

The Adam Carolla Show

1:20:02 hr | 1 year ago

Part 1: Jordan Harbinger on Student Loan Debt, plus The News (ACS June 11)

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This is the Adam Corolla show. Adams today Jay Leno. With Gina Grad on News Ball Brian on sound effects, Jordan harbinger stops by an M. A. Legend jailed sonnen joins in for good sports now. No Mass can stop him from blowing hard. Adam Corolla yeah, get it on got to get it on a choice, but begin on a mandate. Get it on. For, tuning in and thanks for sharing in watching, those ratings climbed. Thank you good day. Gina Grad data you and Bob Ryan, and that's always dad. I got that kid working baby. I'll. This this is. Well? It's important to find out. Everyone always talks about like. What do you WanNa do you know it's career day in the fire captains going to speak to the sixth graders. And what do you want to do what he wants to be? What do you WANNA do? Is Equally as important to find out what you don't WanNa do. People. Really don't make enough of this I mean if people say like well. You didn't learn anything from your parents. They're your parents. Never guided you or instructed you or coached you or shaped you and it's like I learned a shit ton for my parents I looked. Yes I looked at them and when I don't want to do that. I will do the opposite of whatever I think they will be doing, and you learn a lot about what you don't WanNa. Do from doing it and we're cleaning out my backyard. There's a lower piece of land, had a bunch of leaves and whatever? And it's getting all raked up and hoedown and bundled up and putting a hefty bags and pushed up the driveway and thrown in the back of a duly pickup truck and taken to a dump and. I said Sunny. You down there. Get down there for a day. Get down there for one hour day I. don't mean fifty seven minutes. You've got to put in an hour. I'm going to have Peter Clock. You can't punch out early. Need to be working the whole time and he said okay. And? I saw him yesterday, and he's pushing a wheel barrel up a driveway with a bunch of bags in it sweating profusely from the phase. Explain to me how much sucked and I said. Yeah, it does sound has. The other guys that are down there. They're doing it eight hours a day. You're doing an hour a day. I used to do it eight or ten hours a day. It sucks, and then he's like yeah. I'd like to work at the target putting stuff on the shelves, or you know, maybe work for you or nate like making films and I'm like. Yeah, okay. Figure out what sucks. And then I mean if if every kid just graduated high school and did two years in the military like Israel. They'd be dying to go to college. And they'd valued more. For sure for sure, we'll talk about self selecting groups. Some of them would love the military, and they're the ones that should be there the. Going I had an ultimate winner from this cove in nineteen business. We've been doing it just kind of goof doing our trailer or doing our bets on it, but. The ultimate winner Russell Simmons Ooh. Now so saying now that's right. See well first off. He just one because you said how so That's that makes him a winner and. You, get away with some scandal or something she I don't know what you know, but I walked in the room. Now you have to understand I. don't go in there and talk about vintage Datsun Racing Karts and expect US guys. You know what I'm talking about, but stuff that's on Netflix, stuff that's on HBO stuff that's on. Showtime I expect a guy like Brian or Chris or Garrett. Trick US guys to be caught up on that stuff. He I was watching HBO. A few weeks back and it was like A. we have the trailer I. Think we'll, we'll run. It's a minute minute ten second trailer. For the Russell Simmons Situation. I didn't tell that many people about what happened with Russell. He's grabbing my. He's just grabbed me. And I'm saying now. Reduced to nothing in that moment. Nothing about anything that makes me who I am mattered. Astor d you want to go to the police? She was like no one's GonNa. Take me seriously. WHO's GonNa? Believe me why women not believe. What do you think is happening so black America when we come forward with stories about sexual violence I don't have a stitch. A balance in there I would never hurt him. You're worried as a black woman. Did you'll say something that will have consequences that you hadn't anticipated? He's the Cam hip hop black community, will he? My cats I don't WANNA. Let the culture down I love the culture. It's terrible but into bed to know that you might still be judged as somehow being a traitor. You. Can Stop the whole point is. I remember seen a commercial for it. Who Went Russell Simmons and then I thought Oh. Yeah, he's into all the meditation and the beans in the incense and the HIPPIE. Stuff, right and Alan loves dancing and. I get bill. cosby loves crazy sweaters and panting. Okay, he's a gentle soul. The point is this I thought Oh my God. He's getting me too big time. This aired on HBO on May Twenty Seventh. Oh Perfect! It's the weekend the right darted. Wow might didn't hear about this. This is what my alley man I ever hear about this and Brian who. Was a media guy who monitors all the projects coming down the pike. Yeah, this isn't on. The this, this isn't on Blue Tar. TV that you can only use if you have a flip phone, this is HBO. Prime, time yeah he's lucky. Are. Events these. People know about them and. US and then the geist. I walked her this building. No, that no one. No one knew what I was talking about. whow us have at the ultimate. Winner. I mean think about it I'm kidding I. Mean fully was until you brought it all. Maybe, but they had not only have the covert thing, but the race riots break out that. Day like that really powerful. No one's heard of it and now it's gone. Wow! Crazy! Right crazy that that's a winner. That's a win now if you're Russell Simmons you're sitting around. You know this things on the calendar. You've seen the spots. You're well aware of it. You're just counting down. To win this new cycle blows up were sort of getting a little tired of the whole covert thing at this point and then. Riots on the streets fires looting cops black lives matter. Not A. Not a not a headline, not a stint, not a segment dedicated on MSNBC. No, you know interview, the survivors or the victim's. Gone and I always know people say to me all the time. See People. People will say to me Oh what do you mean it didn't get any press? Here's a story from huff Po from two weeks ago Alisson I. Ask Brian Yeah I asked Chris. I asked Gary I asked Matt No. One had heard of it. You may pull me the online story. was technically it came out. But that doesn't mean it got traction because every everybody I've asked about it. I mean I was saying to Chris. I saw the commercial like a month ago. Did this thing come out yet? If, it's aired yet. I've like has it, hasn't it? We'd have no. If it came out, it came gets. This gets crazier. This is directed by Kirby Deck. Who I love you did. This fill is not yet rated great documentary. All enjoy thing right right right well, he's. This is not a fly by not operation. This is a real documentary. Yeah he's. Also now he's the victim right? I mean Russell's the winner and. Kirby I. Hope I hope it's not curvy. Kirby Deck Herbie. CARONI since he's. The thing is he's kind of loser because he did this. Great documentary or a sensibly I'm sure it was a great documentary. No Buzz. That was talking about him yeah. That's crazy. No traction. Does it. Come Back I. Mean do you wait how it gets like Oscar? Oscar buzz then mayor comes back but the. Only get one shot at this. The Oscar buzz is a long shot because so many good documentaries, but if it gets an Oscar nomination for example, it'll be back in the public all guy. Can we just? Should we just raise Russell? Simmons arm right now. Declare him the winner. Of this I mean or do we have to just ride it out to the end of the season? Out. At this point he like Jerry Rice and the receiving records is just so far out of reach. We can just declare him the goat, because he got dacoven and the black lives matter in the same weekend. Yeah! Now look this think of all the luck of the draw. I mean just think about the slow news cycle. We've talked about it all the time. Absolutely nothing you know, we do have those dry periods of just nothing's happening, and sometimes they go on for three weeks or something. Could you imagine pre pandemic pre black lives matter? It's just heading into the doldrums of the summer He's doing it on Memorial Day I mean. Was it labor? Day, or memorial? There remember my birthday. Day. I mean this could have been a whole thing turns out. Brian. Brian hasn't heard of it and Brian Monitor sayings. Yeah you should know about this I'm sorry shamed and even if if there were no riots, per se, the like you said the Kobe thing was kind of people were already like okay I've heard enough like what else is in the news. That that that would have been enough, but not literally that day. The ultimate winner. Of winners and movies and I had this ready I was prepared for this. And this pales in comparison by nominee, which now is second place or somewhere farther back was going to be a pre winner of the coveted pandemic Russell Crowe Russell Crowe has a movie coming out July. I would say have not taken. Most of the movement bombed back at the big movement. Bump back because of the COVID. The movie called unhinged whereas looks very very aggressively marginal, but it's going to be like the first movie theaters reopen is going to their told her million dollars worth of. Business ridiculous movie that no one otherwise would have seen. They held Pat God. Bless them a million people are going to go see unhinged well, it'll be like. Did as I told you back in the day. Whatever was at the theatre, we just wanted to American dishing in like. We just go to the airport going to go to theater. Just say Friday night. We're going out and seeing a movie and whatever's there? Is there all right Jordan? Harbinger is hanging with us. He'll be brought to you by net sweet great segment today. Talk a little business with him. He's a business extraordinaire Jordan harm. and. By friends at net, sweet net sweet is the world's number. One cloud business system trusted by more than nineteen thousand companies, and it's the last system. You'll need to have an intro net sweet presents the wonderful world of business with Jordan Harbinger. Jordan you WanNa talk about college, and that's good because I got a college professor store. I want to talk about as well with you, so You I. Yeah, I've been doing the math on a lot of the money that I've invested in the market, and I look at Okay I've invested Xyz, and then I look at how much money is spent on law school, which is about seven years if you count four years undergrad three years of Grad, school and the opportunity cost alone got me just on a path of self flagellation where I. I decided to just punish myself by showing how much I've lost by investing money in my education, instead of investing in just a straight up in the market, and that's not a great exercise to do unless you really just want to cry yourself to sleep, but I found that I I'll keep it short. I lost a lot of money in the idea of having to go to college. was shoved down my throat like it was shoved down the throats of probably the majority of the people listening who actually did go to school. It's just been something that's always been done in our parents. Generation was big on it. And that got me researching student loan debt and forty five million people in the US and these are old stats if he's are a few years old. Forty five million people in the US are in severe student loan debt, like not just owing five grand, but owing the average is thirty, two, thousand or thirty three thousand dollars, just about forty five million Americans are very high. Fill predatory. Over barrel like yeah, you want you want to go here. You only go to college. You want to have this earning income potential. Do it. This is your only avenue for yeah. Twenty twenty student loan debt is about one point five six trillion dollars. That's more than credit card debt for everybody in the whole country, wild than more than auto loan debt for everyone in the whole country, and and everyone has a car loan for pretty much I. Mean Right. And you need the car to get to work, but the degree. The the kind of sad joke is most of the degrees that people get the job that you get after college. If you're lucky enough to even get one and we'll get to that in a second doesn't require the degree or even a degree at all. Let alone the degree you actually have. Yeah. Wonder. If the bloom is a little off the rose in college these days like when I was a kid, college was how you separated winners from losers. That one guy is going off to college. The other guy's going to work at the mill. Go to construction, side, or go to the factory, or whatever maybe Silicon Valley's kind of. Corrected as a little bit. Maybe there's a lot of guys that guy dropped out like everyone is successful seems to have dropped out and started their own business. They're certainly more hero stories of people dropping out and starting. Starting a business and also. They're used to just be x amount of jobs, and you needed a degree to be capable of performing acts amount of jobs I feel like there's so many jobs now that nobody really knows if you need that degree or not. If your doctor. If your doctor your lawyer, you're an engineer, few other professions. You're going to want to go to college, but as I point out to a lot of fellow lawyers that in some of them don't really love this, but too bad. It's a trade school. We are basically if you're a lawyer, you're basically just less handy plummer. Less skilled tradesman I I'd almost rather be a plumber. Because then you have a solid skill set. You know where you're going to get work. There's no shortage of work for skilled tradesmen. I'm sure you've discussed that on the show lawyers you go when you go, please big corporation. Give me a job making copies and checking for comments documents until I can shadow someone for three years and become useful, and there's only so many of those positions right so also I'm not sure what's going on with college and college campuses because I heard this story today that a ucla professor named Gordon Klein has been suspended for three weeks and they're going. They're going after his job with twenty thousand. And all this shit because. Some kid, a white kid, like sent him a letter that said hey with all that's going on. We can't fully support the protests and take the final so. Just make the final like not count essentially you said. Sorry, but you gotta do the final That's the rules I. Don't know WHO's black. Yeah, he was called woefully racist. Here's raises. You say like I. Don't know which kids are black, and which kids aren't black in the school, or which are mixed, or whatever, because everything's online, but either way according to Dr Martin Luther King. You're all equal, so let's all just take the task and get on with it. And now he's in a fucking world of hurt. I love this new World Order Nineteen Year. Olds are telling everybody what to do, or they get wished out into the Cornfield so this Guy Ucla professor also. Tell the professor during summer break to go home and he hasn't been on campus for three months and it's turned the summer break. How do you get suspended for three weeks when? Is it summer school from home? Yeah, they've been doing all the classes online. Anyway now we're in the summer, so what they did was they took the students from class and distributed them to other professors within the field so. That's how they're gonNA. Finish, Okay. Wow, mates are running the asylum. Baby. Is. Scary I don't know here's. Here's the problem. I off as I. Tell everyone unintended consequences. WHO's GONNA WANNA? Be a cop in WHO's going to want to be a professor. In a few years. Do you know what I mean like who's going to be attracted to these jobs where all they do? Is they get your name? They posted on the whatever they send it to all the heads in your department. It spreads like wildfire they they massage your response a little bit, so it looks worse than it is an now. There's twenty thousand kids calling for your head. That's that's terrifying. Especially colleges already kind of hard enough for sorry, the results of college already hard enough college can be harder cannot be. That's that's for sure I think a lot of us went to resorts and a lot of people are going to resorts now. What I mean by that is the colleges now? Tuition is insanely expensive. In state. Tuition grew by sixty three percent from two thousand, eight to two, thousand and two are the two thousand twenty two this year, so if you attend college for all four years, you're looking at over one hundred grand. If you go to an elite private college, the yearly tuition is about sixty grant, so you're looking at a lot more than that a quarter million something like that. That's a lot more than. Than it used to cost and part of that is because college, colleges and universities are putting their money into amenities to attract students. It's no longer like this is the best program for this. There's some of that, but a lot of it is. We have three swimming pools that are outdoors at the University of Miami. Something and it's to. It's to attract people who are not really worried about the academics are worried about their social life kind of understandable, but also a terrible investment. Jordan editor research into this or not like especially with like you mentioned the elite universities. They have such massive endowments. It's crazy that they're charging tuition at all. Let alone exorbitant tuition. It's like you're sitting on a billion dollars or more like it's insane. It is insane in fact I haven't done a ton of research on how this method workout, but I would imagine that they could afford to if they wanted. Wanted to and they obviously do not, they could afford to just essentially make tuition, either a very nominal fee or nonexistent, for most if not every single person that goes there, and it wouldn't even dent the principle of the amount in their endowment at I think I first of all like you said they don't have to. So. Why would they bother I? Also think if you're talking about elite universities. WHY HAVE They WANNA, billion dollars they don't want several hundred million dollars, and also I think it's probably cachet thing. They don't want to be known as the free school, so here's a good point for any of them to do this. Yeah, no, there's no reason that that's unlikely to happen. It just seems like they pay a lot of lip service like we want to include everyone. It's like you do you want? Want to be known as the schools that include everyone, but really you just want. A bunch of rich people are gonNA. Vastly overpay for their education, so you're. You're one hundred percent right? It's just that there's often somebody saying the opposite in all the promotional material and they go. We give away so much scholarship money, and it's like well great on the other hand. You're making the other students subsidize. Subsidize that it's not like you are generating this off of your endowment. You're just jacking up the price for the other knuckleheads that go there and pay the full amount, which is act actually fine. If that's your business model, it's a rocket that hides behind the veil of. They gotta wear because education higher educate high, trying the name higher education, but it's it's. It's a money making racket the of the. The day it would be different if you've got a job afterwards. But forty-three percent of people are underemployed employed their first year out of college. In two thirds of people don't have fulltime jobs after five years. Really Yeah, and this is before the two thousand twenty recession right so that's that data. That's the current data five years later. Two thirds of people don't have a fulltime job. That is horrendous. I'm really. Thinking about the brick and mortar part of this I mean. Aren't we just proving I? Mean think about the concept of like. When Dr Drew. went to amherst. He had to move from Pasadena to. I. Don't know where outside of Boston wherever ours. Yeah! Whatever the? Word is wherever I am personally Massachusetts Western mass, so he had to move from Pasadena there and I know you physically need to live at the place. You're getting the information from in this day and age of people working from home and zoom, and that and productions I kind of liken it to win Kevin and bean. We're talking about having been moved to Seattle in two, thousand or two, thousand and three or whatever it was. Everyone's like that's insane. That will never work there I- morning team. How can you do a morning show with a? Eight hundred miles away. He moved next Monday. They started. And, then they did another twenty two years. Like I think it's pretty doable. I don't see why you'd have to move across the country in live in a dorm. Now I get. There's an experience to it and I'm all ears about the experience, but you know sixty grand a year, plus whatever housing and meals and bub-bubba whatever it is. I feel like if I had A. College I'd be I'd be a little nervous about. Ten. What's GonNa? Look like ten years from now? It was completely unchanged from zero to yesterday, but from this point on. I don't know and they're. They're doing their own experiment. They're sending everyone home. Yes, all right. Well I totally agree with you. They got greedy and because there is I, think we can all you know Brian Jordan? If you finished or didn't finish? If you experience college at all, you can absolutely say there are super important reasons to leave the nest and go live in this. Semi controlled semi independent environment. It's awesome I wouldn't trade it for the world I'm so glad I got to experience it, but given that you know like you said. not endowment, but you know how much it tuition has jumped? What sixty five percent! They got greedy. They're shooting themselves in the foot, and as Adam, realized you crunch the numbers you go well. Yeah, I, get it. It's fun and there are some things you learn, but you really don't have to go, and we really can't afford it. ooh How about we start a chain of private frats. It's Frat Enviro listening. Where you know you want that Frat House, but you don't have to move across the country and whatever we do, you can do cake stands. Will, get an. They'll be a little bit of date rape, but it's not going to be something we really focus on. We'll have the guys live together. We'll have the sort of blue. Karski type, and we'll have the nerds type, and you can really get that experience every once in a while, just hire an actor to be the the mean Dean who shows up and pounds at the door at the Frat house where you can get the experience without physically having a move to campus great. What forever you in Brian. Cavell Thi- Pat Cap and was that your first choice? Actual. What's funny, so you'll appreciate this? What's funny is I didn't join. Fraternities didn't think it was for me I. Didn't really enjoy the experience during rush Kinda just sat out and then. A recruiter from picop national came to USC and was like Hey. We're starting a chapter here. Who wants to help found the chap that's right Oh. That sounds like a really cool unique opportunity so I did it, and it was very very hard and not rewarding in terms of attention from girls, but it was, it was very glunz. Glad I did it would never change. Are they still going at USA? They've been off and on due to violations of various sorts. I know they're still they're. They're pretty big, other big and the south especially. If you're found that college, Charlotte, you did the first one USC. Yeah, we'd chartered the chapters pretty awesome. It was a cool experience is joining a Frat if you're creating the bylaws and doing all the Shit and yeah, it's kind of cool German work Jordan Reunion. I wasn't no and honestly. I can say that I should have been because one people come critique of the Jordan shows. This guy just sounds like all the FRAT. Guys that annoyed me in college, but I got no benefit of actually being net frat guy that was annoying in college and the other. The other thing is if it was if I'd realize then that it was about the experience I would have studied far less skull shapes of australopithecus. australopithecus scenes, and far more going to Frat parties, and actually making friends, and like you know talking with and things like that that put off because I thought I'm doing great I'm studying, and then I went to Grad School and studied more and I realize now. It's like man I really spent a Lotta time barking up the wrong tree. My first votes wrong. My first friend was my first girlfriend was an eighty pie at USC so as Christie. Wow Banged her yeah! Sitting there right across the street from our house. Literally across the you walked past our house before it was our house. Obviously many times I went to their house. I went to a few of like the sorority parties and. Dances and stuff. It was so weird because I was from North Hollywood and I was all poor, and I was working construction as like driving a pickup truck, and everything felt such a with such a bizarre world to enter into and like I. Really did have like one of those. Eighties Rich Dad moments where like we want? To her, she must have gonNA cost for you to go. God I. Mean it like his dad. Her Dad was named like Gordon. Something the third. You Know I. Remember he had to go by. What was it like? L., Gordon, but he won't by Gordon because that's always a power successor Richard Whiting. He was rich attorney with a moustache, and he had a golden nugget. Watch watches that have the nuggets all over the band. How and Eating boyfriends. Yeah! They lived in a big house with like. You know the the master bedroom had wall to wall carpet with a sunken Jacuzzi like near the closet like mind blowing stuff. They had a ballroom in their house and live. From the Were they an. He was in God. Up here outside of Pasadena, it's called. Bre Now it's. All of it. It's called City of homes or something as Well so exclusive. We've never heard of it. It's just one of these big sprawling Kinda dumb white guy houses like nothing architecturally interesting about it, but the circular driveway and everything, but it was like told him that. It had it had one of those rooms that you couldn't walk in because he would leave. Footprints in the car had to rake the carpet behind. You know and God. Past Pasadena. It's right where the track is. Right were Santa Nita's. Whatever. And then tried up in their anyone. What City San Benito Max Bada? That'll that'll tell you anyway. I showed up. I'm driving the pickup truck of the bus. It off Cratia out Arcadia Arcadia. took the tape. Yeah I said Okay Oh. Good you're here the toilet still. Make Sarah Arcadia and Barked. I was a apart tender at USC that was like my work study job I got paid seven dollars an hour to learn how to bartend, and we would do private events up and Arcadia for the president of the university. That's like the governor's mansion. You know had like the president's mansion, and all donors would come, and I check coats and make drinks, and just you know. Do all that shit so anyway. Yeah, that's what it was just kind of big and sprawling, and not a lot of personality, but there was and. We were just I went over there for dinner. A couple of times and the MOM was real proper and the D- adversarial proper, and just kind of gave me the stink guy. The whole time and I didn't really think much of it. I didn't realize what was happening. They had their like Dab of a daughter who was going to USC and an eighty. Eighty Pie and her boyfriend was this dude who lived in apartment with three dudes and North Hollywood and basically slung Stucco all day, and I'm pulling up in a beat pickup truck, and I'm not really getting the part that I'm the dude from the wrong side of the tracks, and she didn't save up and send her to college as you could hook up. He could she could the doofus like me and he's not the. Right! And Don't worry. She wised up. and. That was that. I did end up getting a sectional sofa out of the deal. At some point after she dumped me, she then explained that Their parents were getting rid of their. Blue Sectional Sofa. I could have it I. Think Her dad I always. Yeah I looked at it as a parting gift. Chasing fries. beat up. And got and got the got the beat, and got the beat or Sexual Sofa and put it in my crappy apartment, and that that was it that was the end of that, but she was Stephanie was an ad. Pie probably got pictures of her. I think I got event of me and hurt in an event like she's wearing. She's wearing like a gold lemay. Omar. I'm wearing like a Tuxedo. Where'd you get a Tuxedo? I probably rented it apart or something and Oh and I remember very distinct conversation like how how dumb. I was. I was sitting there in amongst the college people and the Frat and Sorority and everything, and I was like twenty, four, twenty, five or something. And a guy to tables like sitting I was talking to him. So, what do you do? What do you do and he's like I'm from Texas. And my family's from Texas here going to USC and he goes. He goes I go. What do you do over there? In Texas for fun? Because we'll go down to the beach every once in a while and I go beach. Beach. And Tax I've seen the TV shows taxes, so they're all desert and tumbleweeds and and and ghost towns. Speech I started. Padre Island I started laughing maniacally because I thought. Texas was like Nebraska Otheir we are. An old lemay. Diamond Ball Nineteen eighty-seven Diamond Ball, nine, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, seven. He's still have the ball. They vote at the annual. There we are I remember being so fucking dumb laughing. This guy goes beach and taxes checks the middle of countries. Landlocked. Alamo. Do you remember the house the Eighty Pi House it? Houses there's like nine or ten or whatever USC they're gorgeous, beautiful architectural marvels. That had a huge lawn distinctive is on. The corner, had a massive long gone. Football over there I remember parking certa next to it behind it to the side of it, and walking, walking up and I. Will I don't know I. There was some meeting that was going on where they're deciding. WHO's doing the cooking? And then they all clapped and chanted. Zolfo, very bizarre for me, and where I I came from you know Chris and Reagan me and head locks and smashing shit, my ear and stuff like it was all weird world I had no idea how any of it worked. I didn't even really know how you got to go to college. Like the paperwork. You needed to fill out the tests. You need to take paying. It all seem bizarre. I felt like. A cutter from the movie breaking away. You guys can look up. Look up the reference Hey Jordan. Thanks for Thanks for spurring or talk down, memory lane. Of course we've got an Tro or replay that. What a wonderful world of business! Jordan harbinger brought to you by net sweet. Yeah thanks, Jordan thanks net sweet, and thank y'all get to see when the schedule your free product tour India right now and get a free guide seven key strategies to grow your profits at net sweet dot com slash annum. Support this podcast and this sponsor Jordan. You can check out the Jordan Harbinger show on spotify podcast one as well. Thanks your and appreciate you all right good news during all this craziness out there av add tweeted me a picture last night he was combing through net flex and my movie. 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We Times a tough, but we had curl. Drinks are here to remind you to take a breath. Have a drink and wait for all this shit to be over. Mahalo. Break. All those crazy trump tweets. G. Grad troubled. Lisa. down. Gene. The news with Gene Grad I. Don't know if you guys saw this last night. Is We record this? But I thought it was very worth bringing up a just happened to glance at the TV when it was happening. Big fight on the Sean Hannity show on Fox between commentator, professor Dr Cornel, West and civil rights attorney and talk radio host who you might be familiar with. Leo Terell Adam. I don't know if that name rings before I know all the local radio guys. Yeah, so you think maybe they? Were coming to see to eye on some stuff new, sir. They got into a heated argument on Hannity show Tuesday over. The wave of protests across the country attacks against police, and especially the topic of defunding the police, so I'm just I mean the whole five minutes, so I cut like a minute of it I'm GonNa. Let it roll, but I sean asked West why. There's so much violence, basically and big liberal cities like Chicago why we're failing America's children when it comes to cities like that West said that it has to do with underfunded under educated communities. He also said it was under the leadership of Rahm Emanuel. WHO's not a fan of and trump who? Obviously he's not a fan of and said okay. Fine, you know Leo what about you? And when Hannity Terrell the question, he went right back to Cornell West and this went on for literally five minutes, but we have about ninety seconds of it. Sean Dr Cornell West the type of quest. You quarter law. He will answer them because he's just old talking points. I'll speak to you Dr Cornell Wealth Black. Man Black, man. Ludi going on and you and you try you try to compete. Flight? Flake protests just went misconduct. Shave on you and your athalie wrong Walnut Drenthe, the issue you few issue. To you I'd like. My brother, you're not brother you are you are you are hurting people are. Taking. No My groggier? Plays out. Plans out. Drag your today bill. Do you all my Gosh? You have lost control. Ura Dinosaur gather. Sore. You had lost. It Sir not part of your. Party or group? You are dinosaur and you know what? I KNEW You are wrong my Fred. Because your position is so way off I, will, not you? You'll feel. Disrespected people. Me Wait. You're gardening you. All right, so he tries to Chime in a few times and finally just goes to break. Yeah, so Leo Terell so it's an interesting inflection point we're at now. Leo Terell was a guy who is a civil rights attorney. He thought OJ was innocent. He's you know as far to the left of the equation as you could possibly get. But, the laughed is going so far left that even guys that are were pretty far left. Are Not that far left. You know that the idea is. The Joe Biden's of the world and Bill, Clinton's and things like that. I think most people like It makes sense, but AFC doesn't make sense to Leo. Terell but but cl- Clinton Bill Clinton makes sense to Leo Terell. But but AOC's brand doesn't, and it's getting. It's going so far that now. They're fighting with each with each other. and. There's a lot more vitry all if you think about it, think about the. Mayor of Minneapolis. There's if you think about it this way. If there are two brothers or two sisters. Who are biological brothers and sisters, and they have a falling out. There's a lot more there than co workers or or Frat brothers or just dudes. School history I mean. There's a lot more of those arguments you know so as it is, you think about it. The Tucker Carlson or Desouza could have a debate with Anderson Cooper. There's not that much there after work kind of go home. There's nothing these guys were brothers. You know I mean they're on the same side and that's when and then when that cracks and comes apart. That's where you get the crazy vitriol so. You see the right and the left Aria. All agree to disagree and sometimes it gets heated, but it doesn't get passionate and also. I've watched Cornell West on. Marsh Oh many times I. generally like him, but you saw that look in his face. That's guy who been told the fuck off in thirty years. You know what I mean. By someone Austin aside right, so what it is is key goes on Bill Maher he to hold court. He's this guy and no one ever goes. Shut up! You're wrong. They go once in a while ago. Well, let me push back on. That lies and believe me I'm down with the but. When, Leo Terell shut up, he leaned into the camera, and you could see a like a bit of a crazed look on his face now I experienced it. I as I, told you when I played the celebrity softball game and I told what I thought was just the manager of the mud hens to fuck off the fuck himself a kick. His ass I didn't know that guy was the head of show business when I told him that. When he came at me, I could see it in his face that he'd been told the fuck off in thirty years and find a guy like I like to do. I'd like to give one of those police body cams. And I would just like. Walk around and go in front of like. Barbra streisand in go. Hey, you're old, can't fuck off and I just watch your face like just explode because there's like a look of confusion. Looking. What. I've been told to fuck off since nineteen seventy four like. You can tell the people are just kind of used to, and that's. That's their permanent Pasha's place. Cornell West was like he went his face. He couldn't control his face. He couldn't control his energy. And you can tell that is the face of a guy. Who's been adored and worshipped and not told the fuck off for thirty years, so that was mansion. If he had an argument, it completely derailed it because the rest of it. It's very hard to hear because he's kind of A. It seems like he's on a skype call, but. Leo Terell! Keep saying answer the question. I'm answering the question. Can you answer the question and all Cornel West? Does your disrespecting your disrespecting me, so he couldn't even functioning. Get the rest of the answer out if there was one. Of. The substance of their argument was even a bow because it was all just yelling, yeah! Yeah I don't think we would chalk that up to the honest dialogue we're trying to get into. It is a bizarre world where arch and as like Larry Elder in Leo Terell are now on the same side of many many subjects out there many topics, so it's a boy. You live long enough man. Off. So this there were rumblings about this a couple of weeks ago. It didn't seem super reportable at the time. Because it just there wasn't enough detail, but now it's coming up on. My News alerts so I guess we're going to have that conversation especially when the trial starts so the former Minneapolis nightclub where both George Floyd and Derek, Sherman worked. There's a guy from their employees from there. Who says the too often worked on the same night and frequently quote bumped heads. So. He was speaking with CBS News His name's David Penny. He said Floyd Chevelle and definitely knew each other pretty well and had a history of friction. He said it has a lot to do with Derek, being extremely aggressive within the nightclub with some of the patrons, which was the issue and I thought. Oh, it stops there, but it doesn't. Floyd's family and attorney of stated that Shaaban's aggressive arrest of floyd which led to his death, was personal, and she eats should therefore be charged with first degree murder. But. Somebody else within the club, said. Sorry Maya Santamaria. She owns the club that they worked at and said that Shalva had an issue with black patrons and believes he was afraid and intimidated by them. Not Sure how they would have interacted because Chevette I guess was more like sitting in a cop car out front. Floyd was inside. Also. If you're the owner and you know that the guy outsides roughing up your crowd I don't know why he still works there. So a lot of this is just I. think laying the groundwork for what's going to come out in a trial situation I would imagine so. He definitely knew whose neck his knee was on. That's what it sounds like again there were. A couple of weeks ago, but it didn't. It didn't seem credible yet like we didn't have enough, but it's I mean this is coming out. News alerts now, so I'm very curious to see what this relationship was it? You certainly couldn't tell in the video. We've all been shown that there was a history, but wouldn't it make sense if they knew each other? What show WTN's first name? Derek, Eric. What do you make sense if they work together that at some point? Floyd Floyd would say Derek or Heyman like address him in a way. That was not eight. Familiar generic yeah, even if he hated his guts, and whatever like at a certain point, his name would would come as mouth. That's weird to me. That part seems strange well and the only. I mean, forgive me for being macabre and I could be wrong, but from what I remember. The only video we have with audio is when he is struggling, and then when he's no longer struggling, so you don't have audio from the stuff that we have video from what he's just sitting on the curb and stuff, right? I haven't heard audio it's. A her tail and allusions to body CAM footage does not being released I don't if that exists or if that's powerful, but see relevant at this point I'm just talking about the actual street security camera. That's video, so we don't know what the back and forth was. Right and that's true, but even when his knee is on his neck, and he's having difficulty he's able to. He's able to get out a few words. It just think that guy's name would come out at that point right well, we shall continue I guess yeah, and when I was first reading when I was reading the first part of this article. I thought Oh, so the arguments going to be this had nothing to do with skin color. These guys just. Just had beef from you know their own interpersonal relationship, and then it, and then the owner herself says he. He was very intimidated afraid of our black clientele, so we'll see where all of this goes, but definitely Keep it on your radar speaking of HBO. I can tell you. Who the loser of I guess. We could call it cove at nineteen, but of this time period is, it would be hundred thousand people who've lost their lives Gina. Gina. She's Christ where we all this Gone with, the wind. Shacks has removed gone with the wind from their streaming service on Monday an la times op ED. Successfully convinced atrial Max to shelve the nineteen thirty nine film because it Romanticize the horrors of Slavery Academy Award. Winning writer director John. Release said the civil war. Drama perpetuate some of the most painful stereotypes of people of Color. This one best picture eight years ago, all-time highest grossing film adjusted of course and consistently ranks among the critics as one of the best movies in Hollywood history, but It's A. It's a tough watch. Almost one hundred years later. Ah Brian. I was GONNA say either. We've seen it I've I've I've? Thing? We talked to on this show I never so it's so. It's spectacular. Three and a half hours lies feels we talk on. The film bought about certain films. Homework feels like homework, but at the same time we're talking to show before about like. Like. Films are films and music, or whatever like their markers where we were, and how far meets a mean like? Yes, this depicts a period of time and probably Romanticize it in a way that we wouldn't do, said H, but that's how the film was one thousand nine hundred. Twenty, nine, thirty, nine, whatever it was sorry, I forgot. Okay there. You Go, so my point is. If it's. Overtly racist or calling people to arms like you know like mine. Nation maybe even a nation though, but my point is like this is adamant. Hey, slippery slope guy. This is like one step towards like burning books or banning books. Like No. The movie hasn't band, but but this is. This isn't solving anything. This is a marker where we were and how far we've come. Yeah, it's interesting. You say that because the first thing I thought of people. WanNa take paintings and stuff out of museums and statues I. don't care about it. You don't get rhythm. But like museums that are there to preserve that moment in history and say this is this. Is that snapshot I I did wonder well does that. Does that pertain films to or no? Well. It is a slippery slope and I don't like the slippery Slope Guy, but this I think we have ample evidence that the progressive movement which has the words progress in movement in the title is not slowing down speeding up there. You know you start Kinda start with stuff like well. What about the confederate flag or what about the Washington redskins and you Kinda go? Yeah, yeah I. I kinda get that but. It's never satiated. You know it's just sort of onto the next thing I mean the. The the the editor of Bona Petite, magazine just had to step down because of Brown face Puerto Rican outer it for seventeen years ago i. mean if there are any signs of satiafaction. Down I might be more for it. My promise I haven't seen any signs of. It's slow down, but I also don't feel like I. I make the same argument with black face. Chris. When Jimmy Fallon Does Chris Rock? That's not black face, and we're doing a thing where it's like. We kind of go well nineteen forty. They didn't really know what they were doing, but it wasn't nineteen. Forty was eighteen, sixty five. You know they were half. Schering's was going on an eight hundred sixty. Six what when whenever they will were sixty, one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty one. That's that's what they're capturing. Right and. The same way you couldn't drive a fucking Prius through a shot. You. Can't you have to you have to go? Here's the technology. Here's the weapons they fought with. Here's how they treated black people. Here's how the women dressed. Here's how the men dress. It's an attempt at a recreation of that time and also. I I remember seeing gone with the win. Look I watched all eight parts of routes I mean. That was a -pointment via duress that was appointment viewing for the for the Corolla family, so my mom could look at me every nine minutes and go. Can you believe what we did? Can you believe that I us? A fucking chamber pot. You think we owned people so. I watch every bit of it and. Every every bit of it, I went. Oh God. That's horrible. That's horrible what we used to do, and then also let's not do that again. There's a element of that. And I was ten, and it was in perfect context I got all of it and that that movie was rough like. Whipping him and you know the whole did see the whole nine yards, and it was tough to watch. I felt really bad I feel bad for them I feel bad for myself, you know. I've played with playing football with the brothers. My two black friends used to state their house and stuff I felt bad that their ancestors may have been subjected to this. Policy is in the huddle out of. It was it was it had it had it was all in context? I understood very well. It didn't glorify anything. It didn't make me think. will now I must participate in slavery somehow and. It was it was all in context I if you're if you're looking. To solve whatever problems you're looking to solve this is. Not The direction ago as a matter of fact I, think he probably started off the show by saying. You learn more from seeing people watching people do stuff you don't want to do or you don't agree with versus talking about inspired inspired inspired. Yeah! I watched Bryan Song about the same time and I was inspired. I like football and stuff, but I. I watch roots and probably learned a lot more. You. Know who whose opinion I'd be curious about when it comes to pulling this off, HBO or not Lin Manuel, Miranda because when you talk about you know the creator of Hamilton, and the the the big you know not only is it? You know this triumph of a musical than you know. Historically whatever diverse casting is what it will always be known for when that's going to be very commonplace. This kind of blew the lid off the whole thing and I would think that someone like. I have no idea, but I think that these new ways of looking at history and you know when you're performing balance the you know the accurate prescription or the accurate depictions, so you kind of need them both for context, you don't just completely get rid of one or the other also yeah, Hattie mcdaniel won the best supporting actress first African, American to win the Oscar. We're going to take that thing down I wasn't going to be allowed to go to the ceremony. The like Riggott like polenta favors basically. Yeah I mean I. Don't know the details story. This is just what I've read about the the top line, well either tombstone or her statue. One of them's at the Hollywood forever cemetery. The Bring Back Dr in scary movie inflatable screen night. Check it out also. There's also another part of this that I don't like, and I've always spoke about the symbolic satiate. Spoke about it in terms of the American Indians, like nobody needs help more than the American Indians so we can stop calling that team. The braves or we can stop calling that team. The redskins that doesn't help the crazy diabetes in that community and me group or any person better off today now the gone the wind has been taken off of HBO knocks, or whatever it's called right, but there's a lot of people. I live in work amongst them on on occasion where they get satiated like you go, Hey, whatever happened with the guy that was supposed to come over and work on the air conditioning I. Call Them. When two weeks ago, and I'm like Oh, you're satiated, but he never called you back and air conditioning still on the frets like there's a satiate. Be careful about because this idiot at the times wine okay. Got! Salam GonNA. move onto the aunt Jemima. SYRUP BOTTLE Or whatever whatever it is. Whatever's next right, but that's not what's next. We should be talking about reform and vouchers and. School vouchers and school choice and like that, but you feel satiated because you've done your fucking job with a movie, it scared. That's the scary part or I've got this professorship can from his job I got the guy from Bona. Petite magazine fire now Okay Michigan, accomplish nothing heroes, but yet you feel good about yourself God a scary impulse. I just thought of this vis-a-vis you talking about people who were formerly enemies are now allies in a weird dig this weird way like the bad like getting the. Win removed for Mayfield Max or banning books. We I think Jinja story about Tequila mockingbird being banned in Texas or something like that, but by both in in Alaska, Alaska that was my point is the extreme, the extremism of both sides on both like that donut shape universal. They come in. They meet at point where they're banning things. You know what I mean like it's. Very far left at a very far right thing to to ban like ideas and works of art and books and movies is like you're not solving anything or helping anyone you wrong attention to this cause, but it is not moving anything well I don't know. It feels it feels scary to me. You'll be happy. You'll be happy to know that I. Just read an article in today's paper that Sambo's in Barbara Oh. Yeah, he's no sambo's. In Kansas. Offensive. Negroes or whether go. FAR BABIES! What they've done is they've tried to replace all of the letters on the sign as a. m B O s with the peace sign. In and sign. And the word love. They kept falling off so until they can get a permanent signing a new name. It's just trash bags Readjust the letter, so it's like Bama's. With John's turn, vons in Johnson. Bosoms. Salmon Mos- that was A. Indian kid, what was lack Indian Charlie? What was the tail? All Little Sam said Tiger did have a tiger and the funny thing to be fair. The funny thing is they say that the restaurant was named for Sam and. His brother, who's last name began with bow or poor brother-in-law. Inside the restaurant, the walls were illustrated with the story that you speak of. But now now. They're saying that they did they finally. They finally hear the words that people are asking them to change the thing. Problem solved. We're going to be good boy with the Tiger Arabia Indians. South, Indian boy who lives with his father and mother named Black Jumbo and Black Mumbo while out walking sambo encounters, four very hungry tigers and surrenders, colorful, new clothes, shoes and umbrella. They'll not eat him. The Tigers are vain and each thinks that he's better dressed than the other. They have a massive argument. Chase each other around a tree until they're reduced to a pool of gay clarified butter, Sambo then recovers his clothes and collects the ghee, which is mother uses to make pancakes. That's the plot. Oh! Wait a minute pancake. Panga did have. Build here. But it's just so you know problem solved. Black I still don't know all right. Indian all right. Let me hit. macari problem solve. You got stuff you don't want to clutter up. The House with the kids baseball glove. That doesn't fit the dress. Only warn once the old phone in the drawer all that stuff. See My thing with macari as I don't care about the money I care about the waste that's going in a landfill and ending up on a beach somewhere in India. You know want that. Couldn't be on a Texas beach because their land. Selling. McCarthy's is selling APP that makes it fast and easy to sell almost anything. Simply take a few pictures. Describe your item and they'll get it listed macari, even email you a shipping label when it sells no meet up no hassles, no problem six hundred thousand plus reviews four point four point eight star average rating. Don't let this stuff go to waste. Sell it and buy sell almost anything on macari that's macari on the APP store and just go get it macari dot, com. That's m. e., R. C., R. I. Recurring the selling APP. Yeah, it's so weird I just think about my show. Limited world of every the Texas beach thing like everything I saw Texas was just a gunfight in the desert. And that's all that's all I knew. And then you sir well, you would have been yeah, really confused about Missouri with the Lake of the ozarks oh. Yeah, God it's huge. You, this will probably feel like a footnote at this point, but if you haven't heard not just gone with the wind, it's cops show cops. Coming to an end deadline reports was pulled last week in the aftermath of George Floyd's death. It premiered on Fox News One. Thousand, nine, hundred, nine aired for twenty five seasons of the show was resurrected in two thousand thirteen, when Spike TV ordered it a new episodes, and it was going into its thirty third year, but has been off the air since June first with no plans to air any of the. Episodes in the can also goes the same for live PD. Essentially a spin off show as same same type of show. On a that was pulled June fifth, and they don't know what they're gonNA do with it. They don't know what they're gonNA. Do with cop shows and we talked about getting. There you go. Talk to their I interviewed their producers Air Parade for. And there were like well. We actually try to balance out the ethnicity of the people like if you go. Hey, we got three brothers in the row. We can't have slide a white boy in there every once in a while date. That was something they were sort of on wasn't just catch as catch can. They were doing it. There are trying to give it some balance already, but I guess any cops in any arrest is no boyne. Right now, yeah, well so. Unintended consequences. Cops arrest people in jails and prisons. Hold people, so we do this weird thing that I've been talking about out loud for a long time. which is when you go. Hey there's too much of this like there's too many black kids. Young black boys suspended too high rate, and then you go. How do we fix this? And then the answer is stop suspending young black men I always go well. That will definitely change the statistics, and that'll definitely stop young black boys from being suspended at a higher rate, but I don't know that it's a big picture fix and the notion and we're kind of getting into this world where it's like we have poor people. How do we fix it? You give everyone a thousand dollars. That's how we fix it or. Colleges expensive. Some people can't afford it. How do we fix it? You Make College free. And then you go. There's too many arrests going on, and there are too many people behind bars you go. What do we do? GET READY TO COPS and. First off mission accomplished, you will not have arrest. Dramatically decrease by. There are unintended consequences. Big Time I mean we already have the Ferguson effect? It's like cops don't want to get out of their cars. They're not proactive. Their waiting for the nine one one calls, and there's a lot more murder and a lot more crime in those areas where the cops don't feel like getting out of their cars. Who could blame him? I'm saying. I always think about that. Episode is a kid when I was watching Sherman and peabody. peabody remember. In the way back. And they were doing a car race and the other car was like beating them, and it's like come on Sherman. Go Faster, and he was like I couldn't and at some point they smashed the glass of the speedometer. The grabbed the arm that was showing sixty miles an hour, and they turned it two hundred miles an hour. You go and they won the race. And I remember that very clearly is a nine year old watching that a lot of range that night routes the day, Sherman and peabody and the way back machine, but I thought. Yeah the speedometer says one hundred, and yes, they're less arrests and yesterday less than prison, and yes, there's less suspensions, but did you fix the problem? and. What might we look forward to in the future because a rally is the car needed to be fixed in modified, so it could go faster and we're doing a weird approach to problems, which is, we got too many people in prison led him out of prison, too many cops harass. Get rid of the cops have them stand down. Okay Just, watch out because the one thing I've really learned from studying society over the last twenty years is unintended consequences. You know you. We were in Los Angeles. Someone is like English only. The people got to learn English. Young kids gotTA learn English. Now teach them in Spanish. Okay, so you teach them in Spanish but now you don't have a good grasp of the language that everyone speaks. How Limited are your employment opportunities? If we didn't get now, people go. Oh, it's cruel. Come on those kids. Wouldn't you wish? That somebody got hold your kid in the third grade, and gave them gave them the English versus the easier route, and maybe the more respectful route is teaching in Spanish. That's great. Now, you're now that person's thirty five and their English isn't that good? How does that help them now? How what are the unintended consequence? I don't know all the nuts and bolts of that rule. I remember it was something people were debating some years ago. In l.. A., but I'm saying is. Yes, it seems unfair to make those kids whose first language is Spanish to learn in English. And maybe it's going to be more difficult for them, and so on, and so forth what about twenty years down the road when they're unable to join mainstream society and work, the kind of jobs could only be had by people at mastered the language. Unintended consequences think about kind of a it's kind of a rich man, poor man, because when you think about like. Oh, well, I we send my son to a private school, and he does Spanish immersion all day. They're not even allowed to speak English. I know it's crazy. I think Does seem. Fits dogs kid go to a Spanish immersion school. Moro. Oh coming in tomorrow. As a guest tomorrow, oh we gotta talk about even know that I didn't even tell you. That's so weird. Sounds like he's hasn't been on the show, but he's coming in tomorrow. Wow I just remember hearing that Star Trek Listen I'll give my kids some Spanish immersion I'll take him down Vera Street and tell me knock themselves out for twenty, and then it's back to the car. Okay well, then we'll talk him Spanish immersion works. Spanish immersion for sunny to send him in your backyard. That's right. That's Roberta. That's Alvarado now. Get to get. and Should we be in Chinese immersion now? Obviously, figuring out which way the wind is blowing. Yes, he does go to Spanish fits dogs. How'd you find that out online or just text him Gary? -membered Oh yeah all right. Let's do one more grant. All right well. Do you remember the beautiful bar? Rafael. Yes. Model yes, Ray Capri yes nightclub vision a beautiful woman well. She's known for that, but she's also known now for striking a deal with the feds, but not very good deal for her mom, so she reached a plea bargain with Israeli prosecutors in her tax evasion case that she is going to have to serve nine months of community service so she. She was charged with trying to hide six million bucks. She earned between two, thousand, nine and two, thousand, twelve and lying about living with Leonardo DiCaprio at his house while her primary residence was in Tel Aviv so she's thirty four right now. She has three kids, and she was able to avoid time behind bars in exchange for community service her mum however. Her Business? Manager CB Raffaele was charged and convicted. She's going to jail for sixteen months. Saying, take me instead or Barbara like her. Let's talk. And she has community service. She has nine months community service ratio weird like who set fucking hot chick picking up garbage by the side of the five. Jumps, there economists smokin man. Yeah, is she out here in our? She in Tel Aviv well this. I'm not sure, but her primary residence is Israel so this all went down in Israel and one of the articles. I read a couple about him. It was all done in shackles, so I think that's the whole point that they're serving it. They're yeah. I wonder if they put prisoners in shackles there and then if there's a WHO's on first type of situation, we need to get him. In shackles sorry. They're here shackles. They didn't pay enough taxes. Shackled. Shackles shackled. Yeah she wear shackles, shackles put her. We're. Bar Go behind bars bar. Bar. CECCHI mobs bar. Sorry. Bars. Okay the one who's named Bar's GonNa. Be Free. Her Mom's going to be behind bars. Shelby and chassis stands behind her. Whatever yes, yeah, that's a good mom. Hurting. She needs shocked. Damn. WHO's right? Let's let's just. Yeah! Sorry Wait a minute. Before you bar before you go behind bars. Let's just do a side bar over. Here with. Figure out get her out of her shackles and let's bar. Let's do a sidebar. Before figure out if your mom's go by bars. Or not and how many shackles? Let's just dismiss this moving on. Our promise not to the high knee more money. Okay, I believe you. Moving ramshackle, move on all right. Let's bring it Home Gina Ground I will in just one second literally two seconds ago, got this notification from the Washington Post it says NASCAR to ban display of confederate flag at all events and properties as we were speaking about yesterday. I Know Brian you're very sad. I'm Gina Grad? And that's the news. Was the news with Gina Grad. I I know everyone just has to policy is now but. How down with the cause were you ten minutes ago? Then how down are you now? You know what I mean like Hey. NABISCO you've been in. You've been the company for one hundred twenty one years I. Haven't heard anything from you about class matter now you send out all of a sudden very important sent out a tweet on Wednesdays this. What if you weren't being pressured? Sent a tweet anyway I. It's it's basically you screaming at somebody you know it's like somebody called you fat and your screaming apologize, and they go FA. Sorry. You're not fat, but. Did, they think that. Would, they apologized on their own like. Would like my whole thing is. Demanding that everyone do ask. It's not that satisfying because you want them to do it. You know you want them right to think about it and go. This isn't right, not. When there's when there's a fire, everyone's into fire safety when you're when there's a fire, but you want them to kind of practice. Fire safety before there's a flame. You want these companies to sort of practice stuff before it. Feels weird that there's an avalanche of this now and it doesn't. It doesn't smack of sincerity to me. That's all I'm saying all right. Let me hit Geico these days. People are sharing more and. Sharon, your. Dance moves your DIY. 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First Time Show - Lovecraft Country - S1 - Ep09 "Rewind 1921"

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First Time Show - Lovecraft Country - S1 - Ep09 "Rewind 1921"

"It feels right the first time. It was like the very first time. Life break. I. have. Not Gotten Welcome do the time show with talking about love graph gun. Today, we have a lock. We Got Brett. Register. And later on. We have we have a very special guest lederhosen. Who will be joining US via zoom? So you'll be able to see this person via video if you see the video version whenever that goes up. but you'll hear them later they're going to pop in and you won't notice a thing because we're just going to pause the show for a second while we bring them in, and then we're going to have a great time to be held for us. something. Yeah we we're the shield to you guys. We Shield you from all. The Hubbub, the violence. Of macra. PODCAST. So, anyway. Here we are. We're talking about episode we're talking about the penultimate episode of lovecraft. country. Season One. the ninth episode of Ten. Called rewind nineteen. Twenty one. And it was written by Michel Green and dragged by. A. According to the lovecraft country fandom site. What is why is that I think it's because they're not on it real quick with lovecraft country maybe. But we don't respect it. We're So yeah, we're talking about this episode, and so I just want to jump right in and say. It was a very uncomfortable episode. I. Cried through all the whole thing. It was a very violent and unsettling episode and more. So in the realities of our history and the depictions of the Tulsa. Massacre. But definitely scarier than any of the monsters so far I feel like. and. It was really rough episode because of that. But. Man It's interesting because I went browsing through the red at the sub. Read it after the episode after I watched, and there were so many people talking about how they're like. I went to school in Oklahoma. It's Oklahoma right? Yeah and and I didn't they didn't teach us this in school at all like I can't believe that they just like didn't. There's this isn't in our history I didn't learn in school. Yeah neither did I mean you did I didn't in like. Yeah I guess not because I also didn't go to college though. I feel like in call. Would've learned of eat they don't continue unless you're taking a history history like not but I feel like when you get to college that's when there's people that are like did you know that there's fucking massacre and now also like that's not what people talk about in high school really. No I don't WanNA. Throw my hip strategic under the bus ie a great listener. Tried this. What's great about lovecraft country is? Regardless of what you new to this point you have been educated now. Yes. Exactly and the way that I want to be educated. Totally through through limbs of entertainment, right with a story of characters that are very real and dealing with very real human emotions that we can all relate to in certain degrees to a certain level, and that's what makes this show. So great that we do connect with the main characters and but man, these situations are crazy and the blend of sci fi and horror, and all those genres and stuff worked really well in this episode but imagine jumping into this one having not seen any of the other one snow. I will say I like the. I like the sum of the parts of this episode. Okay I had trouble with parts. I always feel like. I feel like the conversations that. What's Atticus Dad lay? Montoneros. The conversations that his uncle had. About the way that their father treated Montross and him. Were more powerful than seeing. Play out in this like dramatized depiction of it. And I felt like that those seams were. Damaged took away a little bit because it Kinda came across a little like. Theatrical. I would have rather seen it go to half an into seen it. Through Jake's is or through Mantras is and not seen it. It just came across as like. They really wanted to they really wanted to depict it onscreen. Aid. It needs to and it showed a lack of faith and the impact of the of what they'd setup I love that part I did I I will say so I started off Mike But by the end of it, I was like, okay like I'm I'm here in this like I like all the pieces the other thing was like. Take. Going into save the day. Seemed a little telegraphed to the. Telegraph. Meaning like I fell free or in that scene at that's where we were going and that's what it was going to L. I'd. Lately. Did Not think about it at all. Really. Okay. So yeah, that's what I mean like I. I feel like now because we as I watched it with a little bit of A. A Magpie. I loved the the scene with the Was it her aunt that caught her in the room or her great aunt's. that. Caught letty looking through the drawer. Yes. No that. That that woman shouldn't be related to letty that is on ticks family line. Yeah. No, I think it is. Because the book is through ticks bloodline takes mom that would have been ticks mom. So they shouldn't be related to letty but we are confused because they keep emphasizing ladies blood and her importance, but maybe it was just because she was going to bear. The whole time. I did I adored that sequence and then I also little. While I felt the exact opposite about that. Wow. Oh, that's so interesting. I thought that was I liked that that those pundits. I'm from the future, this Matt and because she had the book of names. She believes it is for a moment I was like Oh. This is asking a lot of this character. Okay you're from the future, but somehow like having the book like Oh she's she's down with the magic like whatever however you know whatever she knows at this point, she was able to accept that I thought that was seen was I don't know I just liked that moment and then i. And then let he was standing there with her and she like lit on fire and all that I thought was really like A really good moment, and then with with her trying to hold the portal open I'm like Lenny probably didn't need to stand there with her while she burns Desi could've hustled back to and not only that faster. Walked she, Sarah Right I. I think frankly the film making that area just feels a little green like maybe not anticipating what the audience was going to be at seeing all those story lines simultaneously like come on, we're going to be impatient for her. That's what's happening throughout the show I feel like is that there's the and that's what we talk about when we say we have an issue with directing I think hundred percent it's issue things like that hundred percent hundred percent it's it's like not quite anticipating because you don't want the emotional emphasis while she's walking through the fires with the book to be like. Why isn't she going faster? You want the emotional emphasis to be like, Oh, my God. That's so powerful. Issue with the film making that's what we're saying. That's exactly what we're saying is that it's There because if you're going to show us the audience like there's a ticking clock and they had to get there quick and. impactful but she's going slow is not gonNA work. You'RE GONNA fail. Where's your audience emotions going to be in this moment? Like what is what is your audience feeling in this moment and I think that when you see Hip Elida basically dying or suffering or whatever it is. That's happening to her. And then it cuts to letty emerging from the fire. It's like you really want that moment to be like the Denarius emerging from the fire and game of thrones moment and like she's got the book and she's she's strong and she's she's walking through the Tulsa like bomb, the bombings and Shit Yeah and. I understand you want that moment to really hit but like I just think that the audiences like holy shit hurry like this portal looks like it's going to close and even though leading the woman holding it open and all right right. But let you did go into the portal seeing how much it was. It was flying hippolyte a- so like obviously it's not like a let's take our time kind of a moment like she did have some consciousness. The point. About the characters, not Baker wanted to have that moment. Talking about. We're talking about how like the show is great. There's a filmmaking moments like this. Yes. That are consistent throughout the series so far and that are. Flying, you really gotta just be okay with it and then just get on with the story, but it's just there's a lot of it and it's hard not to really notice it and talk about it and have that affect our thoughts because on this show we do that we have to we analyze the show we talk about it and that's Missiles saying, yeah. All three of us like the only critiques we're loving the content were loving the characters so many aspects, costumes, obviously costumes for me, but obviously costumes automating. Awfully awesome. Cost. There is there just a few little and they're not like terrible. They're just not. This, every the other elements of the show are so good that you just notice when things have misteps. So. That's what I was. That's SORTA my point is the some of the parts I liked. About the episode, it's just there is some weird missteps for me. Yeah. What did you not like about the scene with her in the? The older woman will call her Steve Go I just i. kind of felt like. I I. told. Everybody. Banana. Doing something I can see their ship up on his computer. Amazing blitz. needs to watch the video When I. Hear you right now. Like all the scenes in the whole show. that. Like that was the worst acted one. I felt like the acting in that scene was really nice. It was really mellow dramatic and like also flat somehow engaged. Yeah. Interesting. person like me too. I was like they cast because her look they one hundred percent faster looks in here. Read it wasn't just her though like even leading while she was like yelling these emotional lines, it just felt like. Like a rehearsal, take to me in a weird way. It really took me out of the scene. I just felt like the acting was so strange and then the like the vio over the like you know how they do that trick where like you can see the character up here saying something but the dialogue is not what's coming out of their mouths and it's like the audio is coming in from a different scene. Sign Language you've just. That yeah. Well, I just felt like there were too many moments like in that scene too, and I was like trying to focus on who to who to like who was talking, and then it would cut back. You could see their mouths moving and it was just not sinked up to what they were saying the cutting was really awkward and then it was like. Did we really need to like watch that poor woman burned today. Like, we really need to see that. impactful for a while and then. I like her like charred arm still moving on the ground and it's like, what are we doing here? We are. We trying to show the the horrors of what happened and and Really. Give it to us on top of all this other stuff like I don't know I just felt like it was maybe too much I. Don't I thought they lingered just a little bit too long because I don't like admitting to this, but there is a moment which I'm like. Okay. Like I wasn't feeling any more for the drama of it until they got away into the backs, you don't want that you don't WanNA biggest critique. Really Great. Is Is I did not I felt like I. had to. Find the emotional gravity for myself oh. I don't feel like they did a great job of a campaign that to me. I understood the you know what I was seeing and what it meant. You know the history of our country and what we're looking at you know in but I didn't feel like they. They didn't achieve that I had to go out and get that. Yeah. And that was a little bit. You know I think knowing. What you want right and I think a lot of my emoting, my my emoting, my feelings of emotion while watching it because I knew the history and less. So because of what I was being shown like what I was being shown reminded me of what I already knew and that's why it was so. As intense as it was, but it was certainly not a bad it wasn't bad. We're just you know nitpicking. Yeah, and like there were a lot of great moments and it was just a hard to watch episode I guess. But. Yeah hard for good lawyers say we can talk about the good things. Yes. I was shocked when hippolyte returned meaning that was green, and then now she's like the doctor from doctor who pretty much like I know everything now I'm a hard drive. Or? Like. It just sort of like spun the dialogue. Now we have this. Now, we have this going on. Yeah changes everything. Yeah and also like how about all that Shit with saving d. in the beginning and like. Like I guess it leads into the I know. But like that was also by a problem just to problems irs. Yeah. This entire. All of this is built on this precipice of we need to save the and which I was a little like a okay but. Clock that Slow, go. Yeah, that's true too. But in my head at the whole show, we've been trying to find this book of names. So now it's like higher trying to find the book in name, but we're really trying to save de it's like well can we can? We just focus on one of these things? You know that that sort of caught me up a little bit. But again, yeah, they really wanted to give us like again it feels like probably in the book hippolyte as story is like a bigger flashed out thing probably of her like learning all this stuff and then coming back and then. It just seems like it's they really want to be motivated by D., which is also motivating the main characters, which is also creating like their history essentially. So it was like a motivation for her for hip Elida and D, but also because they need to go back in time because they need to have those moments. Like tick needs to be the guy that like beats the shit out of those racist assholes. There was a double motivation there but a dub mode but yeah, I don't I don't understand why couldn't be like involved somehow like she could have been better and then like helped out or something. I WANNA see them. Already has a family and I really felt like there was going to be a moment with D. where she was like I've seen some shit and everyone's like. So, have we and now we're all in this together and then they all work together as this family unit like kicking ass but instead, it's like maybe that's the finale. Maybe that's finale which would be super cool. That's tough because listen. We've set up something Amiss show, which is this like anthology format right compounding anthology. To me to continue to. Achieve that structure within this episode, they needed security in this episode the fact that we've left that as a as a hanging Chad. Wasn't. Hanging Chads structurally. Now, it's just what they call it in Florida when they when they blew the election. Oh five years ago I voted in that election. So this is this is a self hating, Floridian. Okay, I've no idea what argument but okay. You know it's just a little history history and entertainment. Yeah. It was used to poke a thing To vote you would poke a hole right in your ballot. Yeah. Yeah, and in Florida they people would poke if they didn't poke it all the way through. So the the little finger poke out was hanging on and there was a conversation whether or not that vote counted because of the hanging. Chad. Talking. It's like an incomplete. And I feel like this was an inconvenience. Episode. In love that I drove in from Atlanta. I watch love graphs and boy are my arms tired. Boy I all of it. been raining a little luggy. I like what we were talking about, but I'm forgetting where we left off. Well, we just know. So basically I was saying they really I felt like they needed to cure d to finish this episode. Because now, there's just felt like an episode of TV show. Yeah. In our setting up the next the final episode of the season. And it's not that's not what the show has been. To this point. Break so that was disappointing. Yeah and it didn't feel like penultimate episode like I. Really wish that there was like some sort of connective tissue from the Fin-. The. Like the last moment of the episode that gave us this big kind of like holy shit moment for the finale and it Kinda just feels like another episode coming gone. That was cool. But I just don't feel like we're really moving towards anything in particular like what? Now that we so now we need to stop Christina from becoming immortal because that'll kill tick. Right well, we just don't want to die. We don't want to dumping is what we`re Trying to do yeah. Yeah, I think we're going along for the ride. If this whole episode was meant to be about saving D. and then they didn't save d then that means that they to save D in the next episode I think we have to assume that they then use the book to save her I think they're going to start the next episode and she's already been saved. They're gonNA they're going to learn a spell that like really you're going to have to learn a spell probably we're GONNA see that don't you think Brat Yeah. I don't know I'm that's the other problem is I don't feel like stakes are properly set up in this episode to make me feel. I can't like I I'm not I'm cited. Finale because the finale. But not because I feel like it's because what we're we're at right now in the narrative of the story is basically like. All we have left to do is save the right because we found the book of names we Kinda I don't know what the next step is I. Don't know what we've been building to the whole season at this point because now we have the book of names. So the book of names will be able to safety, but they have to give the book of names. To Christina WHO's GONNA WANNA kill ticks. So I guess that's where we're going but it didn't feel like that is it's clean. In regards to my ability to get overly excited for what's coming mean. Yeah. I think I'm there with you also. Did like in the preview that it does feel like they're gonNA touch on everything from the season. Legs. A The the girl from Korea me too. I WanNa know what's up with her? Job I, want to see her do something. Or we're going to see her back and do a thing I was thinking about that I was wondering if like because she like knows tick like beyond biblically maybe she can kind of sacrifice herself for him in this spell, but she doesn't really have blood but maybe that the being of her monster takes up lot I don't i. But she's immortal isn't she g? Expand beyond biblically. Will because they have sex but then her little crawl come out and she knows his entire like all of his memories and she knows his soul. In this life she oh, starts to how he dies. Or sees that he. She saw that he died saw his wanted to come in like change it. So maybe He maybe I interesting that isn't Jia immortal. Didn't. She say until she yeah until she's free of the demon or whatever. She did that whole spell with the Lake Korean witch. Wait wasn't Korea. It's too late at night. I think it was. Or was it. Okay I'm sorry please forgive me guys. I'm not going to be I. Know What you're saying and I just can't remember I can't remember and We've had too many wars in too many places sporadically. Korea. Okay. Good as career I'm glad to knows right anyway she had the Korea. South Korea I thought you were asking, did she did she gain immortality from that which? Oh, I think that which made her stay as she is I. I do not remember at all is my guess and that scene but I wonder if to have a character whose immortal and to have another the villain of the whole well, the somewhat villain of the whole series is goal is to become immortal like that can't be a coincidence although knowing this show maybe it can be coincidence I kind of hope it isn't I. Don't know I guess. I feel like a lot a lot will come out of the emails in this one 'cause I'm just feeling like. Watching all of our faces look try to like. Things. It's a good episode. It doesn't feel like A. Penalty. Minutes episode it does. It was hard to watch and some moments weren't gray and I think they're all. They've all been that way but it's hard to watch in a good way also in alike remembering and. It was rough watch rough and I think a lot of them are you know at least they're consistent in I just WanNa acknowledged not bad. Rough. I'm just curious Oh. One more thing I wanted to mention was I have more like that. Of course we gotta get to along. I WanNa talk about the show. Can I talk also without being in way? Yes but I want to say something. Thought. Save. I'm not saying for my thoughts, but go ahead, Steve Right well then we'll just start on his thoughts right now. Okay so acknowledged. You get it go ahead. Okay. I just wanted to say that I liked that Ruby acknowledged that. The reason why? was like. Dying Because of them, it was like on them on who I wanted that from letty and Montrose, and tick 'cause they're like we tried to help her we tried to the and they're like fuck you guys all fucked up. This is all on you I liked that because one of the problems I had with the episode before this one was. Everyone was just like we don't give a fuck about de we got our own shit going on and everyone they're all the fuck Outta de we care about D. and then meanwhile not carrying around. Here exactly. Just like that. And I think that it was good for Ruby to acknowledge that in the show because I wanted there to be like a a moment where there was a realization at least in some way for the characters that they're stupid shit they're up to is like important but like there's a little girl who just lost her mom and dad and about to lose her life and was about to die herself as being chased by demons and Jerry, which they couldn't have known guess but it was like a dangerous time she win have been cursed in the fall place. fogging Emmett till was like. Funeral, it was like. It's a hard time for little kids. So it's like you know I liked that there was an acknowledgement of that in this episode. While you're talking. About when that guy's tits blue offer I. loved that Nipple Burst Semen that was the tail of the creature right? That made those holes what? Yeah. No he was wearing a black man's chest because his chest got fucked to death but the holes were from the creature that attacked him. It showed it in the preview to earn the in the recap. Okay. I don't know member in the Recap Kaplan or in the last episode when the cops show up to kill tick and lead he that creature that creature. Yeah. They're creature jumps. And the tail staff sales through the creature's tail stabs through that police officer, and that's why his he has those holes. I didn't know the creature was such a nippy boy. Yeah can we talk about Steven I both when we were in that before we go to the? Time and Space Travel Place Dimension Hot Place. When we're still in the bedroom area with DNA all that drama how very soap opera e it fell. Intends, we kept talking about we're like, oh my God I mean I guess you're talking about Anthology. Compounding and You got the right terms. My I'm truly fried this week. Pissy car for twenty dollars. Well No I wish I had time for someone else but. The whole time in that very beginning part where like is this like the soap opera version one because what's going on? Did any did you feel this way? -brate. I'm trying to remember it was like there was a moment where one of the sisters is talking to someone? No is it data and tick there was just like a couple of moments ago. Yeah this was. You know what I did it had to do with the lighting. Scenic came in and was like, well, it doesn't really work out that way. It felt very. Over lit and yet the. Show but also there was an incredible time I just felt like. But the content too because there were like it was two people talking through a drama they had I think it was taken Montrose, and then he walks in and she's kind of like Oh and she. Over. Here's some drama is like an your stepbrother's stepsister like whatever it just felt like Like very soap car while you're just like. Moments were like the scene would end any. It would linger on the person for like way too long and the music would be like. In. There was was one point where it was like. Bom Bom. The big reveal on someone in the camera pushes in like a soap opera moment. So there are quite Intentional though yeah. A really. It did yeah and I have to say you confusingly intentional I guess right but because you brought up the the Very specific type of lighting. Very soap opera look. I have to mention an incredible moment of lighting when. Ruby is in the. Dungeon lab with Christina and she's looking at a woman who who's form she keeps taking the comb and she's just sitting there next to her and the light through that window is like perfectly back lighting her and she has that perfect like mint colored refrigerator framing her and she just. Oh. The light in that shot. In. Like the heavens were lighting her yen the way they made it feel practical and make sense. But also kind of like felt like it pushed the emotional story the whole thing. What about? To same outfits your last episode and I said, I love it and I. Felt like. It felt like they made this episode like second and then they all episodes in between. I know they didn't. especially with lying Tikkun mantras is relationship in this episode. Fell I glad that I feel like we have some Catharsis there does that some finality to they are sort of tension, but we started this show with him looking for his father. So we build the whole show on like we gotta find ticks father let me found and I feel like three different times over the last three or four weeks. It's been like that's it. We're done you and me dad, and then then the next they are back together. Hot. A. Lot of. Women mantras killed the the woman that they found the Indiana Jones episode were done. Then he was going to kill him men just keeps coming back. There's really no. Every time that he looks like we're done with this time traveling adventure. We're really done this time. I felt like we had seen that so many times but I think we're seeing tick kinda learn a lot of things about his dad and or his Ola Surrogate Dad I. Guess It's still his dad. It's John. His Genetic Dad. Yeah. And I think that like to your point you in the beginning when you said in the beginning of this episode of this podcast when you said that You didn't think we needed to like see the dramatic reenactment of young. Montross and and uh George and I think though after him after coming to him and saying like we're fucking done after this and then seeing all of that and then seeing what he went through and then that that moment at the at the fountain when when when he saw his, you know his dad and his friend and his friends about to get shot like I, think we needed to see all those things because we we're seeing them through tick right like and I think. Get Yes I. See it yet adequately? I'm saying like I'm watching that scene going this is an actor portraying this. Yeah. This is they're reenacting this and it's like the idea of it is horrific in the idea of it is so much worse and then seeing it I'm like, Oh yeah I mean it's Is kind of like. Saturday playhouse version of this, right when in my head it was like you know it's like he's out in the front yard. It's whatever you think about it more as is kind of like dark awful thing. The way they just presented I didn't feel like conveyed that I would rather the cameras state on tick and just you just heard it. Needed to be there for tick. All thinks this. Is Great, but bret has a good point about that moment in the scene did not feel. As. Intense as we. made it feel because knowing that that would be painful instead of feeling it from what we were seeing. Also assure the like when his dad's yelling at when a Montrose his dad is yelling at him to grab a switch in that same like video you heard in his like head. Yeah. That earlier episode I thought that was kind of melody to Williams drinking. Yeah. which also to your point, Brett would have been interesting if we never saw that moment, it was just like an audio. Moment but the fact that it's connected kind of makes it interesting. I love that we got to see the mom and the brother and the how the three of them interact. I thought that was really really emotional really helpful and it was really nice to see the dad and the mother's Dad and generally his family and how they would interact with. Montrose his dad because you really got a feeling for we're talking about like genetic lineages and like family trauma and to see the different ways in which things play out and stuff I don't know I felt like that was really important and fantastic to see like they didn't have to show us. Any other people in his mother's family in this episode but they did and we really got to understand the differences and all that I thought. It was really cool. Alana I'd love to just transition right into Alana's thoughts if we could. If you're okay with that. Sure. Does that sound good Who Don't believe to song. Alana's notes some we keep calling it. Alana's thought well. You know it started as not became thoughts is an evolution. It's Anabel Shan. Baby evolution. Of course, the fascist school nineteen twenties are my favorite. Like fashion era I and like general cultural era in the US very much like not the US Europe I should say. So I really liked a lot of these close as soon as we saw. I mean there are so many of these melodrama moments though I wanna talk about the close with they all just relate to the storyline link when they show up in that hotel and advocates just peeks out the window and he turns around and he's like we're going to need to dress like them. Mike Okay might as well be animated. Are you kidding how he sees a rack of clothes and it happens to be the exact amount and size of outfits to fit them? Like okay I mean that's just TV but it doesn't have to be quite but okay. I'm rather they. I would rather they show. Montage. No I would rather they show us how they get the clothes if they're going to change them than have them just in one, thousand, nine, hundred as close. That'd be worse. That's what I'm saying you. WanNa shopping montage. No I don't I just don't want perfect I want them to be like, where are we look through the closet and find like hundred dresses and figure out which one or something you know what I mean I just want. It to be not so easy like cartoon Jim that that's just what happened between them moment and the other moment, and they're just so happen to find listen Steve I can imagine it. I'm just talking we've spent this whole time talking about the the slight tweak of the making that we would prefer and I'm not allowed to say a fashion one no no, you're now or then allowed. Okay. As long as notes for God's sake for God's sakes. But. Soon, as I saw on the rack that dress I was like that is the dress from her dream where she's in the fire and she realizes she's pregnant with. Hannah Hannah's the name of the ancestor. Looking back at her pregnant holding the book. Anyway so immediately. To the amount of times people are like walking through fire. We'll as soon as I saw that dress I thought okay we'll. Obviously she's going to wear that dress and she's going to be pregnant and holding that book at the edge of a lake fire filled room. That's how this is. GonNa end. Right, but I thought we would get that like she's running through the burning building. I thought you would to see I really thought we were too and I was kind of like what? I think maybe that's what her walking through the burning town was meant to be like with the bombs, but they kept it wide for so long. I didn't quite get that feeling. Also what a horrific thing. I listened to the podcast afterward and obviously they're gonNA keep to historical reality. But there really were airplanes that flew overhead and bombed the town like. fucking monsters like. In the. For. The purpose of killing black people in the middle of a riot like we've had riots just this past couple of months like this year imagine if airplanes came. To like try to control the riot what Insane just draw with. Bombs, yeah just like. Well, that's insane. It's awful. It's it's one thing to be able to like. Have individuals. Mob Up and be like this is in insane and absolutely not excusable but you can kind of understand how they might think they could get away with it but like. Airplane full of bonds. It's so fucked up. I also have to mention the readdress it. Christina was wearing in the beginning when she did all those a. Lot Address. CH-. Thoughts are for. What I WANNA hear. Good stuff you guys didn't mention how absolutely disgusting the Maggots were that crawled out of the arm de a Asano that scene I had to close. I had to cover the screen from my is that was so disgusting I liked it. It was like the evil was coming out of her. In the form of these like maggots that all flew off it was made for you. So I'm glad you liked it other school especially since I'd never I guess I'd never seen the maggots turn into flies and then fly away that we've never seen so many crawl out of a but I, guess you. Haven't seen as many horse I don't need to. Keep, talking about them. As, many horrors. In my life, kids like to go downstairs and watch the horror. In an honest way and they're like. Bobby downstairs watching a horse again, own my God you're not going to be able to sleep. Nightmares Bobby. There was a part that I really liked I. Remember I got the chills and I just wrote chills. Which? Was it when. Hip. Hip Elida. It might be hippolyte came back. Yeah. Oh, it was because she had her whole spiel and we were just like. Yes That was cool. I also have to say. In the last episode, I thought okay ladies pregnant but she's not showing yet even though she wears very tight stuff and she's like fit as shit. So like if she had a bump, it would start bump in like all right. She's showing yet. Okay. Every different happens me I don't know how long it's been technically, but then a whole `nother episode later, all sorts of stuff been happening she still isn't showing it and she's like it's a boy. When are you going to the doctor? If you're pregnant enough days, she knows that ticks at it right? No Sh this is before the future but this is before take before she and take acknowledged each other they both know she's preg- she says in the beginning of the episode I don't remember who she says to tick. No, she's pregnant. Yes. But he doesn't know by her they don't they haven't talked together the moment when she says, let's name George that's the first time they acknowledged to each other that they both know she's pregnant that is the first conversation between the two of them. Are you sure? Yes and they even mentioned in the podcast actually. Because really unclear in the show then well, yeah I mean I was noticing it but I I was more conscious of her pregnancy because frankly I'm like. I was thinking if it's to the point, I don't know how far along she is right. So I'm just suspending disbelief that she's not showing at all but like now she says it's a boy and this is in nineteen fifty doctor visits ability to know the sex of something like. I'm sorry she should be showing and it made me a little upset frankly unlike I suspend disbelief for a while here but this is a bit much. Is it possible? It's like a magic thing or like she just knows I mean anything's possible in this show. So I mean hopefully, it's explainable because I don't like to think that they if they never take rain, would it be okay if it was like well, I guess she just had like an intuition or something the way she said it and how logical lead driven she is I don't, and I don't think she would be against having a girl so I don't think she would be. into. Hitting it on purpose though air anything I don't know I. I. Wouldn't buy that. Open whatever. It when the moment she said, it's a boy. I have to tell you I had a good few minutes where I was like furious that they had. Not showing pregnancy at all and she's meant to be as far along to not a boy. But maybe it's just me not knowing nineteen fifties. Okay. So there's that maybe but I love that scene I love that she hotwired the car for tick more that like Latisha fucking Lewis Energy. Play the clip. But to speak we're now now now say that again. where I don't know if I have it well, did we ever? Talk. One Oh Did I. Save their asses once again, What was I saying about her in the car I loved that seem though being that it was the first interaction about that. She used the one that hotwired the car and it was their first interaction about the kid. I thought that was very cool. There was some talk on the podcast the HBO podcast about like are we upset that tick just let them split up even though she's pregnant he should be protecting her and all that. She's protected with magic. That's what I'm saying I was like, yeah, it's fine. She's she's she's complete. What do you mean she's totally protected but. I mean, okay. I. Feel even she kind of forgot she was protected I think she just isn't certain because you know she doesn't want to be like that's fine I'll jump off a cliff but. She got hit with a bullet last week and it pinged off interest shot again in this episode true and she yeah and a monster. Protector so running as if she needed to get away from bullets. I think it's still scary to have like some white bullets chasing after you I bet. I don't know how far protection goes but I wonder if they could physically do things to her. I don't know. It. Kind of looks like it's a shield, look a little force field around it does look that way but. I would have to think back about all the people who had that shield and think about if they were hurt, you know what I mean because maybe you could still be choked, but you can't die. Suffocated to death. Do you know what I mean? Oh. Yeah. Like when Christina gets killed this is why it was coming to my mind when she tries to get killed the way Emmett did. She can she gets beat to shit bloody everywhere. So she still goes through the pain interesting, which is probably that is interesting I. would it be possible for her to even be shot? Well, I don't think. They didn't shoot her they beat her they did shooter. Shatter, like a couple of go in. Yeah. Oh, we got holes That will mean it's. Thing go in I thought he shot her and she fell down and then she looked for like a wound. But there was blood wasn't it? The blood is from beating her and putting the barb wire around her and stuff. and. They beat her really bad for quite a while. I know is is that when he was whole when she when letty was holding that woman's hand when the flames were like burning her, she didn't get burned her hand didn't get burned until she let it go. It's true. That's. The real question now lit up on fire. Yeah. That's a real question now like what really? Maybe there's different types of protection in the One lady has is like a like a little force field outside of your body a little bit. Okay. Just protects you from like projectile things and I think it's like the magnet on worms. Yes. It'll protect you from something. Oh Yeah. I, know that one. Alana. You me to shoot. About the British I think the reason we didn't say this last episode, but I wanted to say it because I don't know things interesting I think the reason that Christina is down and even suggested that she would put the protection on letty. Is because of the baby her belly I think she wants that baby to be born and and exists and I think that's the reason that led has been so important to her this whole time. I think it's not because letty had some blood line connection. It's because she's GonNa Mother. This can I tell you when shit was going down a when she was walking? Slowly through the fire. I thought. Oh fuck the portals gonNA close. In levies baby's GonNa be like tick and that's why it's going to be confusing over news tick ticks bothers 'cause he's his own father. Allows like we're GONNA get into some Shit right here I. Also, thought, it certainly could have gone there. I thought Ticks Dad was going to stay like the way the US standing there watching and things going to close on Mike is going to be there and he's GonNa. Be With letty and then he's GonNa be Ticks Dad but it's like I was like this is GonNa. Be Crazy. This is going to be. Speaking of Weird theories I also have a theory that the person with a robot arm that pushed tick back. That he mentioned in the previous episode from the future. I think it's either going to be Christina, and because she is immortal O or it's going to be. Hippolyte, and she will be somehow emotionally. I like DIS okay but we'll see it could be I mean it could harm but like Maggot it up but her arm was bent over. So. I watch when I was younger I would watch horror. Yeah. That's your arm. You Boys, Watch Reno Jabs down. there. God is our special guest. Is. is kind of on the on the horns soon, but I don't want to rush you through Alana's notes but I just WanNa. That's pretty much feels like exactly what you're doing now please. I'm just saying that the last thing I wanted to say I really loved the sister connectedness in the very beginning of the episode only between Letty and Ruby that. My felt like is a fantastic plus they did this episode and I. Don't know why I think this is so interesting but I'm just gonNA. Say It It when I was listening to the HBO Podcast, they always have suggest like Kinda like further reading suggestions at the end if you want to know more about the topics covered in the episode. and. They mentioned that I think she wrote a book the last survivor of the Tulsa riots her name's Olivia Hooker passed away in two thousand eighteen. And that just somehow made it so much more grounded into. Our time this time whatever it that I felt like I should mention it. Yeah. The last survivor died in twenty last one. Yeah. Wow. Damn and I think she's written a bunch they said to there's like books and whatnot. If you Google her name, I mean it really does put things into perspective as far as time is concerned with how not long ago it was that that actually happened. Yeah that's like Kinda. Breaks your brain a little bit when you think about that. Yeah. My Grandma's one hundred and one, and I'm always like you were there in world. War. Two Think she had a job. I'm sure I mean she lived. During it you should ask her about it like if. She was born in Nineteen Eighteen nineteen twenty twenty one she'd be three years old when it happened. So I'm sure she heard about it but she wasn't like her and she didn't live in Oklahoma. So right? Yes sure should I should ask. Whatever I never thought that. All right. Any anymore thought anymore notes along. NO THIS IS A. R. My my greatest. Oh thank you. That's the end of. Backwards can you pat your heads and rub your belly or whatever it is PAT head Ravelli. No I'll do it up here. I can't, but it's only in the succession of it has to pat one of the top. I gotta say I feel very skilled right now. What the Hell who? Took over here is this terron plaque? Eight is. Hey. What's up? We have special guests for those of you listening to this you can't see that suddenly. Taryn. Blackie. Kevin Plaque's sister is on the first time show and we have to talk about why this is happening and how this is happening but I. Totally Different Day. We keep. Well, we record all of these in advance because HBO sends us the episodes. But. So. God. Made. So we can't talk about sausages that's illegal. So tearing is so Kevin hit me up like a like a few months ago or something or when I was starting to show or a couple episodes into the show or something, and he was like to my sister is watching lovecraft country and she would love to talk about the show if you would like to have her on the show. Yeah. Of course I'd love to have her on the show because I've reached out every sought to a few people, but always wanted to have more than one fucking girl on this show. BILLUND year all cheering. You know it's been a sausage fest on the first time show but every once in a while we'll have. I. Think one time we had Alana and Rachel. Evans. On the one we had a slew of us together. South Fun. Yeah. But anyway, That doesn't support this narrative. So So of course, I'm like Oh, yeah, of course terron. So we've been trying to get you on the show then now we finally got you on the show. So welcome to the first ancient so much. Thank you. I'm so excited I'm excited to. This is great. So what I mean, have you been listening to the first time show? This one I have because the other ones I haven't watched the show. So I need to be able to watch the show and listen to them. But for this these this season I've been listening to all episodes and every time you didn't have a guest I was like. Could be. We'll the shows ending now, which is like is the next step or the the next episode last episode. Last episode the next episode is the last episode. Last episode is the next episode and today is tomorrow's Tomorrow's Today. But. If there's another season we'll have to have you back obviously. Thank. Somewhat unless they do. Today. Then you don't. Know this is certainly like a test more than anything yes. will not go up if it doesn't work. Just getting. Breast, is like, yeah. Like Again. You're no. Long. Enough. All Yeah. For sure have what appears to be consistent Internet connection which is really ask. But taryn really quick because the three of us already kind of talked for almost forty minutes about episode. Humble bag. So if you WANNA take a second or two to just tell us what you thought. Of, the episode I'll be timing you don't worry no pressure. But. Yeah. You know if you WanNa just kind of put your thoughts like would you think of the episode? Of this episode I I was really I was very excited by this episode it was exhausting to me I'll be honest it went really fast like when it was over I couldn't I couldn't believe that it was done. And it was it was you know there was just a lock that happened but I was like this is what I needed for like the last few episodes where I was kind of like. All right. We got to start wrapping it up or I'm GonNa, feel slightly like. And I felt a lot of things came together that I was excited about I was really excited that we all know what we all know now too. Yeah. That was a big thing for this episode for me that I was like, oh, no more secrets like we've all it's all out there. Yeah, and I guess it's like it is pretty clear. What what the final thing that needs to happen is I guess is it what is will that we need to stop I? Guess we need to we for some reason we need to stop well. Talk Stop Cristina from killing tick. Some how we don't want to die so. We find a way to make peace with it. To. I mean take needs to die then that would really suck it would. But if he needs to die for a great having you here cause we spent the last forty minutes focusing on the negative elements this episode. Coming. We liked it. We just. Kinda honed in on the negative. Positive. Old I try. 'cause I did feel like man we really were hard on this episode. This was not this was far from the worst episode of the season by any Ri- at Great Ashby overall yet the overall takeaway was like, yeah, there's room for improvement but I think that it's the show is tailored us to want something very specific from the ask and this was another sort of break from form in that it was like a traditional episode of A. Penultimate upset of so the so Terri- here we each have to say something that we really liked about the episode. Well, that's the thing is I didn't want forty minutes of. This, wasn't that. Comes out is like this? It was all gray, we're like. No terrorists. Out. The. You. A very important question that I wanNA. Know if anybody else has an answer to why didn't the book burn? Him Questions. Okay. So we talked actually not why did the White Number Book Burke? I was why didn't burn? Brook Borough. Why how did Leno Whitten Burn? com. Sliver of paper to wait wait why don't you? Stuck somehow. Why didn't Brooke Burke Burn The book? Bar. newspaper. Book Bach. Because she's touching and then I was like, no, she's touching the woman but she earned I think. Okay. So we talked a little bit about how it seems like she has kind of like a force field around her and when the bullets were hitting her in the last episode, it looked like the. Kind of light up around like kind of like a few meters away. Well. No the creature jumped out. And stopped the bullets for from new. No but when the creature came up to them. Holding the. Stops because I. Think it's her backpack I thought Oh it's take six protection because. Tonight the spell Oh. Yes. I remember that but I was not yet can. Make. Well. But he did say you did a damn spell on me in this episode when Ron Tro said no spells remember. A. Magic they know all the point of trying to make is is that I think she has like a protective force field around her. That's kind of like roughly the shape of her body around the shape of her body. If. She keeps the the like book close to her. It'll keep it from being burnt I. think that's one solution. Another one is is that it's a magic book maybe magic books don't. Burn. Burn. Zach. And also, why doesn't she hurrying a little bit more at? Yeah you've been saying. Doug also lowly vary slow. Yeah it was. It was. That's those are the complaints about the direction where we were like you ought to be on a ticking clock or or do you want us to care about her epic moment happened and and not only that it was like 'cause we did talk a lot about how it was like man hippolyte is like dying and you're taking a stroll down leg she's got meals to help her mouth. Yes. But Not only that though we didn't we kind of only barely mentioned that this is all for d like Vini to hurry back. For D. Because she's still not like. Ours or whatever. Yeah. Expired it's like at least hurry back for d like the not only did they like not give a shit about de in the last episode This one they ruby straight up tells them that she is basically dying because of you and they're like, fuck we fucked up later lead like I WANNA walk like a bad ass through this is. My moment. that. I had a lot of issues with a lot of things in that part. That's been my one thing in the show that there's a lot of loose ends. You guys have talked about it too and I felt that there was definitely moments of that in this episode that I've sort of just come to accept like maybe we just have to be okay, things happened. Okay. I'm just glad we all got to say one thing we liked about the. Truth. Remind. With, hippolyte was amazed. By levitating. Yeah. What agreed are we doing it in order? You're doing it in the order of Steve As. You go fast everything with hypolite was amazing. It was the visuals of it everything the Hair Chains Rama of her return everything she said was cool. I was just I was for every second that she was unscreened by the way the hair change not so subtle reference to DIS comic book character with Blue Hair I don't think it's a reference I. Think it's like part of her merge Lane Kurt of her because she's just in that, Bob? Light coming together. Raping Brad. Okay. My thing that I love really a lot was the the triumphant return I. Didn't think we were going to see it again but I love that portal came back my favorite character in the show. So far and I love that it's like glitch e paint like plan like painting. Paint splotch. Portal. That's like I love how like unstable it is and it's going through all the dimensions and stuff, and then she like fucking find tunes it and you see like Tulsa what is it? Nineteen twenty, nine, hundred, ninety, one After who was a good call out or dude for sure because she told about it definitely felt like, oh, the doctors here right hippolyte just like runs over the machines like give me two hours like fucking fix this thing and it's like what and then I taught a little loss and I wasn't sure it was just my thing that I missed something that how she was the one that was going to be the motherboard of it and like how she was able to like set it to be was that because of the yet her implicate from. Plants that the that she on to say gave her. Something and I think it's a quiet because that's what I was going to mention my favorite. My favorite moment thing was that when she mentioned that. We need like coordinates like right now what it is is it's an inter dimensional it's like it can show you different dimensions but whole hick by pull this fucking thing out and plug it into a motherboard. We can zero in on time and go time traveling and so and I loved in that moment she's like we just need a motherboard and let he was like, well, the hell's a motherboard and it was like. One motherboards are and the fact that she she's the motherboard essentially was really cool because she is essentially new technology even in the current day of the show in the fifties she's like you know calm like future she's planning technology. She's planning five technology to three one or whatever. Yeah. But anyway, I just loved that the portal came back and we got to see it and I love that when I. Got To nineteen twenty one and it looked like hip hippolyte ahead had league locked it in. It still looked really dangerous and unstable and I loved that like at any moment anything could go wrong and I really felt that way about that moment and when they jumped into the portal or whatever the time machine, it was just a really like tense moment that worked really well for me I. Love A lot. Cool. So Alana your next. WHY AW Man I was going to say about your moment about her Oh, I have I've just been suspending this because it's true. In every episode, we get like fourteen episodes worth of information so like Don't even try but I am she said, she spent two hundred. I heard a clip repeated and it was only time I was able to process what she said. She spent two hundred years on planet five something something. Two hundred years so like. How does that? To to. Leave Meriva leads the. On Earth five something something. So it's like a version of earth if not the actual. Yes. She was in a different dimension not in a different time. But if she lived for two hundred years in another dimension equivalent of earth years and then comes back here but she hasn't aged. It just means that the time don't know enough about earth three, fifty seven. You're okay. Well, that's why I suspended disbelief and maybe we should. Alana. I'll just was that your one good thing about the episode that was my question of your one good thing. I said my good thing. My favorite good thing was that the sisters were. So like a unit tight together bonded at the beginning of the episode of the sisters, meaning letty and Ruby. And I liked that and I love what you said about that they're the secrets were like. Pretty much done being secrets by the end Oh my God, what a weight off the shoulders that felt like Syria. Yes. Yeah and I feel like that helped them all kind of a unit because nobody had anything that they were like trying to keep from anybody else anymore. Right excess kind of a nice release except in the previous did you see the preview for the next episode? No I don't remember. Okay. Well, I. If you don't mind knows less a moment in the teaser. No, that's why there's a moment where it sounds like tick. Exactly. But the but the line I'm paraphrasing it is I hope you're okay with just more secret. Or like remember that line, it was something like that but it's like so I guess there is one more secret I'm sure there is look at the show. But, but at lease offers standing over evil dead style cabin. Underneath I just remember seeing writing I. Don't think we're going to like get all the answers next week. I think it said the final episode of this season. Oh I didn't say define upset of the series. The final episode. Season Taryn. Would you like? No one more thing? Oh. Didn't he didn't give me but I thought of another feel. Sorry. This is a positive thing but I. I'm now that we have opinions I questioned that ticks dad ticks data it seemed like his like underlying thing he was saying Montross was that he gave up all the stuff in order to be ticked ad. And although I can hear a character tell me and I'm meant to trust him like okay. But I just don't think that's to me I would be like, no, you didn't you're lying. That's your goal wasn't to be ticks dad like you're you're the thing that you wanted most on this planet was to be Ticks Dad. I. Just Kinda felt like it's not a shameful thing to be like my most guiding light in this planet wasn't my child. That's fine. We just saw hippolyte to do that. Be Like I. Love My kid like nothing, but it's not my guiding. And like some people have that sure like I was born to be a mom and it's my number one. Okay. But I just didn't feel like that was Montross is thing and then he said it and I was supposed to feel this like bond and connection between them and I'm like. I am I alone and having had that feeling I think you well for me you are but I understand I hear you I just think that we're not really taking into account that like when Montrose mantras wife came like basically revealed that she was pregnant and he said he like. He kept his mouth shut about it or whatever. She still had the child and she still had tick and to me it feels like. What I got from that moment was Montross saw advocates for the first time probably and was like Oh. This is my son in this this. This is the only thing that matters to go I'm going to treat him like Shit and be terrible. Freeze also dealing with all that other like that's but that's fine. If tick isn't his guiding light but if tickets like guiding light's purpose on this planet, like you think he would at least be hurting doing problems but also trying to be there you know what I mean. He'd have more of an active push peel instead of Jephson. Push away and I I, have to say it would be a Different statement if he said once I knew you existed like once I knew your mom was pregnant or whatever you became the thing I was living for in the reason I gave stuff up a different statement from saying you're the thing you're the reason I gave up all these things and have been living for my whole life essentially like I've always just wanted a kid like I don't buy it. Also like all the things he's doing on the side I know he's finding his gay community and it's in the ballroom scene and it's like fantastic and killer. But all of these are really like not about kids life experiences and for him to be like my guiding light was having a child I'm like I just don't. It's okay if it was like this is the part of the podcast where were being positive. I don't. Wanna Talk about how I completely agree with Lona and I've kind of had a problem with ticks dad like believing ticks dad a lot through it. He's given us a lot of reason to question him. So it was hard in that moment to be like, okay. Now, I, you know I. I also was confused because he was like. I'M GONNA go save Tom, and then he was like think about it and then he was like I've thought about it and I'm just right now. And he was just kidding it's all for you. Yeah like. Okay. Thanks. Yeah. It's almost like the show doesn't totally know. What? At. All about. Or because I'm like if they do know what he's all about then he's a piece of shit. We shouldn't care everything he's done to the show is shown us. He's kind of just been a piece of shit. Yeah. So yeah but kind of a selfish but they keep. Drunk however but. You know it's it's a question of does does your upbringing or does like trauma in your patch? Justify you causing trauma in your President I? I don't think it does but that's the question you have to answer that the that the show is asking you. They just talked to that end I'm like you know that's a tough sell for me for me. Yeah. They just talk about that on the podcast on the HBO podcast This episode they said. It's talking about it doesn't justify it, but it helps explain it and that there's a difference between the things and like yeah of course, that's like psychology stuff. Amen Absolutely. But you're you're kind of proving arguments here in the show though a little bit by saying that. Yeah. No, I just think like. Montross I don't know. I WanNa, I wanNA believe the show has a very clear direction for him that they're like taking us on this ten of sorted journey a really. To, really like blow our minds. The land is playing I'm worried that they don't have that I hope that they do because it feels like we've been through a lot with him I wanna I wanNA make sure that it's all building towards something. Even this episode I feel like I'm like if if my dad beat the shit out of me when I was growing up and then I went back in time with him and he's like see my dad dished to I would be like. Fuck you man? Yeah. This is what you brought me back in time for like that doesn't excuse what you did right and so bad end but that's me. That's like a personal. You know I feel. I feel like they'll probably not give us more of Montross now because now it's like about Dick and like debate he and letty and the baby. So I if it back I thought they gave us a moment where it's like, oh, he's not going to go I would just surprised if in the next episode, we got anymore Montrose storyline. Either I'd be surprised. bananas. Terrence Positive Charan's positive once. Sorry I I was excited the hippolyte came back. Because I felt like when it was sort of given to her the choice and it was like I have this daughter I was Kinda. I was like I mean, yeah she's been offered this and that's great. But it made me sad that she was able to be like by family and my young child and so I was Kinda. Glad that she got sick like that. She made the choice to come back. and. I was excited to hear that she still did a lot of stuff will while she was away. And it does seem like it helped her like I, did think I was I was glad that she she made that decision I agree with that. Yeah. All right. Well, I love that. Taryn, thank you for that. Thank you for bringing us back to a positive place. All right. Well, let's jump into these damn emails We've talked so much. No it's okay. It's okay. It's all right. We can talk about the day of episode. All right. Here's the. John. Lose hear. Your daughter. That's nice. At the. Officer Mustard Stan after some emails. How much money would it take to make us spend a night? All right. Someone. sent us an email about episode eight. But said that Michigan had a Q. and A. on twitter memory talking. I think yes. Yes. What was? A digital? Excuse me. and. Meka. Sorry. Hi Hi I can't pronounce this person's name. Can we turn up the way we your year? What do you mean? This scene. Oh I see I see. Yes. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. No that doesn't do just put it back it back here I got some. What about what about? Like The humidity's year and you guys are like here, turn the music down law. Yeah. Oh. Cool. that. Better. It's better. Let's get it that sound good. Sounds better. Better not good. Are you, GonNa do something or are we going on? I can't tell if I need to do something. You good. Okay. I thought some say. Oh. Okay. Brett that arm looks like it's GonNa grab you always. Every time I look. Back Someone said to episodes left to find out because someone asked where to jaw run off to. But. We already got the answer to that one. please please tell me what Christina did to letty. Oh Okay Michigan says first of all Marian. Black Girls. Of nyu. Second of all, she gave her back I say back because Samuel gave it to Letty I to heal her from the gunshot wound in episode to the mark of Cain which is Samuel's invulnerability spell. Well. That's the same thing Christina. that. was bad sound. Yeah. Sorry. Wasn't as bad on our end. It's usually pretty bad. Why wasn't as bad on your on land? How Weird? Thing maxed out so we can hear you Michele Green says. She gave her back the mark of Cain. Which is Samuel's invulnerability spell and I guess Samuel gave it to Letty to heal her from the gunshot wound in episode two. Took it away? Guess Yeah. So Christina gave back. Okay. So that confirms that Chris Because What Christina has an invulnerability. Spell mark of. Cain as well like she physically has that mark of. They told us that's the mark of Cain so lettie must have that somewhere. So what we mentioned earlier before you here Taryn was that when Christina got. Attempted to have herself killed in the way that Emmett till was killed she was able to get bloody and have problems happened to her but she couldn't die but but letty can't can be in a fire filled room and not get burned whatsoever and we're curious about the inconsistencies there and now we have confirmation. So yeah so it is the same spell so I'm a little confused but we'll leave that for next episode maybe. Thoughts we just. Throw it. Hard it just accept. Yeah. That's that's. That's similar to kind of the book thing for me a little bit of like an inconsistency or something that that's I. Yeah. I. Didn't think about that that it is the same. That came up earlier. I mean, Hey, it is show right ready to hate on the episode now. Look. Bad precedent I know we have said so many because you're at the penultimate you have to everything has to start making sense so. Is Love Kraft country book come in. Has He, read it. That he's holding. Yeah he said I can not done it. He read it talked about reading it. Right, yeah, because he knows that is. Being who you're talking about? Yeah tick. Read it. To talk when an email. I'm still in the same one TIKTOK. Some more from Michel Green someone said, the twins were their significance, the topsy and mob-scene Bob I think she said reading the Devil Doll, chapter in by mattress novel and being a huge fan of a nightmare on elm street i. read this one I wanted to create arve version of Freddie Krueger and nothing scarier than real American history. minstrel shows and oncle Tom's cabin. Will we know how to scare me green I'll tell you. was into shows. Anyone was D- smelling the cops rotting flesh when she busts in on them I'm fascinated by how the magic system works on different people definitely a price to pay for certain things. Nisha Green says, you may have noticed all the flowers around Captain Lancaster's office. I believe they would support your theory. That's cool. That's fun. All right. Thank you for sharing that highlight. Someone highlights to kind of stuff. We should be noticing guys we have a podcast about the I know. Max Sends an email saying Danny Devito, the gift that keeps on giving. High first time show with the season ending soon, it only seemed right that we have Danny Devito clips for this show to. The first clip is just for the whole show in general. And the second clip is about the that high heel rape scene by Ruby. Alright. Can't. Wait. Same truly. All right. Max. Here's. THE FIRST CLIP My world is turned upside down right now with this audio. there. Mac. Os that Danny devito yelling white man get down. The whole show, and here's the second one. And by the way. The rape scene went really well. All right. Okay. All right. Applicable thanks Mac Max. mccully, thanks MacAulay Culkin Steve Lakes to leave out the last letter of each name thanks Matt. All right. Next one comes from ways each jazz saying are advocates Latisha main characters Oh lovecraft country episode nine. Hey, a friend does really quick I was thrilled to hear that most you guys still love doctor who and just as a follow up to that quickly I'd love to know which of the monsters slash villains on that show are your favorites I think mine's the weeping angels because it's just a cool idea done perfectly every time they show up save it for the doctor who podcast anyways I think it's fair to say I agree more with Brett on the whole with this series than anyone else I also think the show is more. When atticus and letty aren't the focus for the episode despite having a bit of a crush on both of them that's understand. Yes. Same. Tick kind of seems like he's headed down the path to be an antagonised more and more with each episode and I'm not here for it. Just. To be frank I think the first half of half of this episode sucks up until they go back in time everything feels rushed and just an excuse to get to the past that being said once they are in the past the episode works perfectly it's just a shame the beginning is so uninteresting. I do think Lettie walking through explosions crying is a great visual though sure. That's that's what's great about that. Like listen I've always liked strong opinions. Also I'd like the withdraw six feet under as my choice for the next show and submit. Mister robot. It's a really cool show about hackers to put loosely and it's criminally under scene. It's also only forty six episodes over four seasons if that help sell it although at this point, I'm sure you guys have decided already only forty six chow for now. Yes. Shoe he asks you. Bro. Have decided already Israel Shabas. Lopez. It's cory in the house. S. Tearing House. Do you know what it is. Yeah. Okay. You're talking about the spinoff of. That's rain. That's correct. Okay. He lived in the white. House. Yes. That's about all I remember about it yeah okay. That's not Israel Shabas. Lopez sends an email saying hello boys and summer girl Ecuadorian boy Israel here. First of all shout to the valley folk twitch channel. It's really cool to interact with you guys in real time. The Karaoke was amazing. Steve Your voices god-like. Old On. Has An. Amazing Voice. Well. And he says, he's sorry every time he gets a con. He says his name is stratosphere on twitch. Now to the episode it's very hard to believe that all of this actually happened in the US such a big part of history that should be taught in every school. I like this kind of time travel. The closed loop is good because it keeps things tight. avoid loose ends while also having cool payoffs like tick being the bad guy. The shot were Montross, what he's a Bat Oh the bat. Just picturing a flying. The shop where I feel like closed loop. Time travel is all we're getting now though. Yeah. Like nobody wants to hang their dick out there because everybody's just makes on it. Really, make a sound of thunder style. The second you go back in time everything's fucked. So you're talking about content in general. Right okay. I see. Did you guys get back to the future vibes when she sat that picture up? Like, on the thing. Oh I'll tell you I think it was that same universal battery to. Everybody. Needs. To be watching. Survives from what the win the when they got the picture of the three of them and added on the machine. That's where we were like setting up because I thought we were going to miss something up and people were gonNA disappear. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I that was like right where my brain went. Never showing us the actors they hired to play the young versions of the character I wondered that but then that we'd recognize them when we saw them a few moments later. And that's exactly what happened. That's what I didn't think we could do. It are so right right. They had to show us they didn't shoot it on that back lot. Don't you think it looked like university? Back Lot back to the show. I'm thinking Um. It's interesting. The Shot Montross is talking was beautiful. He was talking to us telling us these stories reminding us that this actually happened and about the heroes of this horrible event very powerful. That's it for today girl and boys I hope you have. Ask Time. In the finale event, you guys are going to please be safe and as always. Let me see in that man, ask show your nipples Daniel where you go to the next. Can I say he also replied to something on Instagram I posted that most people understand it it was such A. Perspective mattered. Kind of a thing and most people did not understand it had to do with feminism and he totally got it and I'm like you're not even from the US and you fully got this like there's a culture separation so I want to applaud. Nice. Nice. Good boy. All right Danielson you going to the finale event? Yes. It's it's yeah. It's a drive in drive in situation. They're showing us the finale this week. Well. That's really cool. That comes out. Sorry Brat. Very cool. Off. Balance it with football. Again, I won't say anything about it. Until. Sunday. I'll pretend Tanabe jealous for the foreseeable. Future. That sounds great. I appreciate it. Having one in. South, Carolina I don't think so but I'll hit up my rep. Daniels higher. Lovely people can we talk about ticks outfit with a simple blue shirt and pants combo. Episode was fantastic and emotional. I can't believe we're only have one to go. What did y'all think about closing the loop by saving his parents Will you mean, well, a loved it saving his. Uncle Y- his mom was the oh yeah. That's right. That's right. That's right. Sorry I. Loved it. I loved everything about it. Also, this is the first episode not to use Centerman as the closing. Yeah. good call out yes. True. Thank you Daniel. Dan The man lot of Dan's tonight. So that is show keeps getting better. Hey, guys Miami Dan here. This show is just straight bonkers at this point. This. Is a short one since I know you guys already started recording. And I'm only halfway through the episode. Because I stayed watching the NBA finals which Miami. The final by the way. We're. Any, who loved to hear Y'all thought Miami Dan signing up. Thanks Brett showing up for the sports stars and. I do feel bad. His name is Miami Dan. Oh. Yeah. Probably His name God's sake. Got To see the Brian Win a bunch of titles there. Now, he's got to watch Lebron win and title La But Koby. Come on guys. It's Kobe come on. That's right. Andrew Whitney sends our final email here saying lovecraft country episode nine I. Don't know what to say another fantastic episode. I'm so terrified and ready for the finale Hashtag, I got you kid. I was GONNA. Say Somebody's got to that. Why did he say that specifically I I don't think. That's Jackie. Robinson said at the beginning. But. No, that's that's the only reason. Okay I haven't in theory that I wish he sent self-esteem more like something tick would say. Yeah I agree. Because then it because you know I maybe they didn't want it to be obvious that. Don't beat up your son. Be a good girl back for you take your shit out on your kid. You. Know what? I would have been. It would have been more interesting to me even if they never came back to it if he said something different if knowing that his dad remembered him saying that if you gone, they're purposely said something. Really interesting. Change anything like that's the only thing he chain the attitude that he didn't say anything because it didn't make any chain because he would have walked back to his dad and his dad's memory would have been. Oh, that guy said seal later. Sun. Instead, like whatever the sentence was would have changed in the dad's memory as well. You know am I off their silence I just think. It would have at least give me pause and been like Oh. My God. What did he just change? And it would have made me a little more interested in what's GonNa Happen next. That's true more drama Yeah Yep Yep Yeah Yeah. What really happened. Was the cowboy you can funded Johnny Larry the night. That's the question. All right. Well, listen we had a great time tonight. I had a great time tonight. What a what a difficult episodes watch in many ways, but a great episode overall. Was a little ABC's? But I can't wait for the finale very excited about it. Can we all agree a great episode overall sure yeah. y'All agree I know. I. Just want to share because it was a very negative pockets, but you know it's a good episode episode we. Already. It's not the worst of the bunch right. About it, it wasn't my favorite, but it definitely wasn't I I wouldn't put it in the bottom agreed. Last week those my that's my. It made me cry the most Advani episode cried like. You did cry. I cried loud. POSSIBLE THAN Could give the young girl the will to loo-. I actually would answer. Yes. All right. Well Listen Hospital. Cracker though. Pas Rule. Warren. Cracker. All right guys. Thank you for joining us Taryn what a what a fun time having. You so much for having me on. Thanks for on you should come back. Also, we're GONNA have to you about the other show. You passed. You Pass. The whole episode Utah the girl with Internet connection. Yes you you're in. More than that. But at the very least, it's nice to see those to listen. I saw my daddy. Do you Do you have any plugs? You WanNa plug anything I have none I have zero social media at all so To, you. Yeah. So if anybody has an the need to get a hold of me, Kevin, spacey on insecurity. They go give. A COP or whatever the hell talk the cabin. Pat Cap. Gap Pack? Cap Does that mean something I've always wondered? AM I. Love. Told Secret I. It's his initials backwards then forward. That's right. Race car initials. WHOA. Take take yeah taking a drive. Brett. Autobiography? Joining. Brett you. WanNa plug anything. Just, you know follow me on good reads follow Brad on. What is Yeah I'm sure he has. A good redes-. On it. All right. Social Media. Alana, do you have any plugs? Yeah come to my instagram. Please it's. The name has changed. It is my full name now a Lotta ficus a. l.. A.. F. I. C. A. E. S., and also along put up a blog of her Paris trip. Cool and I'm actually proud of the edit you know when you make edits for Youtube and you kind of just have to rush it along at a certain point and you're not really you're like, it's good but you're not like actually. Proud. I took my time and I'm actually proud of this etta I think it's very cute and I'm doing a Halloween series on my instagram. You'RE GONNA see loads of costumes. I'm very excited. We're working really hard on them. So everybody. Some. Damlung. Explain. Story true fertilize Octopus Hey, ingested the human system actually grow inside the Bonnie. What is this way? Is that how the villains doctor WHO THE OCTOPUS LOOKING GUYS? So it's Jonathan. Fray. From the show factor fiction. Jonathan. Guy Star Trek Johnson Freak. So the hot guy on Star Trek next generation Reicher with the beer just if anybody's curious. And I'm sorry, WARF is the Hawkeye I'm Kalyan Hawkeye. That's his title. He's like the Bro. The Hawkeye. So there's a shows the red there was a show called fact or fiction. Out in the beginning of the show and go like you guys got a gas if this story is true or not, and he'll like do a whole he was the narrator and there'd be like reenactments of all these things and then he'd go like, do you think that the Canary could've given the keys to the prisoner like you know still so someone took that and just slowed down every single one he intro and that's what those are. Do. You sweet to. You believe in the power of look. At. Leading through. Remember the tallest man ever seen. I don't know the curse is real good. All right. Well, guys thank you for listening to this show. Thank you to tear in our special guest. Stick around we're going to stop the show. Then we'll say bye to you IRA. But thank you guys for watching. We appreciate you check out the video version of the podcast youtubecom slash the valley cast. And here we go. We're on our way to the finale of another show, and then before you know we're going to be doing another one. So I think we'll probably talk a reasonable hour I. Think we'll talk a little bit more about that. In the next episode. Guys should guess, let's hear every guesses on twitter. Yeah. Yeah. You want to know or send US emails at the first time show gmail.com and send us your thoughts on the finale of the show. But also let us know what you think. We're going to do oh, I guess a love good gas. To go laundering Benin the clear blue sky. All right. That's enough of that. All right. Good. Bye Everybody. Bye. Bye Lying.

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How I Developed My Clothing Brand Over My Long Successful Battle From Cancer? | Charles Jay | The Hustleman Show Episode 8

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How I Developed My Clothing Brand Over My Long Successful Battle From Cancer? | Charles Jay | The Hustleman Show Episode 8

"My life has been testimony of people telling me that i can't do. That has been a thing. Since i was younger i was always smaller than everyone else so it was like. I gotta have it in everything in. This is what i've been trying to. I've preached to a lot of people as we can give you. I can give you the tools. I can give you the resources but i can't do the work so everything that we can offer you. I'm gonna give it to you but it's up to you to taking run with it and that was something. I had to teach myself everyday. Moving forward so like competence. You nobody can. Nobody can take that create mom. Nobody can take allowed him to you tune into another episode of the hustle. Man show if you're a first time watcher we've gotten a lot of different kind of people on here so far we've gotten people that are trying to make it as artists who've gotten established artists on here people that have started their own business. People that have a consulting business for the marijuana industry just a varying range of people. We've had puppeteer on here. My next guest has a very very interesting story He's in the apparel industry. He started his own brand. And i'd like to welcome to the show. Mr charles j charles. How are you my house everything. Good everything's good a marathon. Absolutely and i you got you got the marathon running behind you to always listen to vertical integration. That's what nipsy talked about right for sure for sure. So has has any of that stuck with u. That vertical integration. They say that that's been in the back of my mind since day. One even before Starting my clothing brand my idea of the brain was really be testimony for what i can help do for somebody else. And that was my vision from five six years ago from gate. So you know being able to kind of bring that idea into fruition. Now with the space that we actually just least out It's kind of like just everything coming full circle so don't know man. I want to congratulate you on your new space bro. But before we peel that back and really get to know that. I just wanna talk about a little bit more about you. As a person what what does a lot of people launch brands and they they miss one of the most important aspects to launching a brand. Is that story the fundamental reason for for pushing that extra mile right and in this day and age you know. A lot of people have choices. They don't have to choose you. They can choose anybody else right so i feel like that. That's that's story right now. So fundamental to why people bang with you as a brand as a company as a person or whatever it is right so a little bit of background about you as a person. You know how you how you started the brand and then what you know what transpired in order to get you there. But i mean we'll we'll We'll start from the beginning. So as to diagnosed with a tumor. I can't kidney cancer hammer. Reichen even move went through chemotherapy And growing up. I was kind of always in ninety minutes. I wouldn't say fashion. I'll say more so personal style. Like that was what i love and what i've been able to like being able to express myself through you know getting dressed every single day I will go to class in college and even high school. I would wear a blazer and a bowtie audi like that weird kid i would just like always dress up for no reason at all So when i was in college. I actually taught myself how to do. Graphic design and web design. So i was building logos and doing websites for other brands than Photographer at the time. Who good friend of mine. Definitely he actually ended up going onto a ryan. Leslie and i was handling a lot of bookings Creative direction and things like that for him so once i graduated from college i want wanna start something that you can call my own but from the gate. I didn't wanna start like a t-shirt shirt brand. I didn't want to just you know. Grab wholesale blankson screen printer embroiderer on them. I wanted to construct the garment from scratch. And i had no type of you know history like ineffective industry. I didn't go to school for the only thing i knew. Was you know the graphic part where i know if i could get something down digitally i could eventually get to a final product so So that summer. After i graduate i grabbed my llc Has a little bit of money saved up. I was working fulltime in college and playing basketball and going to school full time so like i was running eighteen nineteen twenty hours a day whether it was work school or basketball so i had a little bit of bray saved up and i started. You know finding manufacturers overseas like. I didn't want to just. I started. I dealt with local. I like i don't in the. Us and the price points were just extremely too hot. Got custom badge. Baseball jersey made it was like all white stitched polyester jersey and it was running me like ninety five dollars a unit so like realistically from me even be accessible to sell it for like three hundred to make like a decent amount of money so i came out the gate with that someone in that three hundred sold a couple of them. I had a couple of friends that were in the nfl nba so they bought it but the average consumer couldn't afford that. So i was like you. I got to find something that you can give my costs down a little bit but i can also do a little bit more customization so that throughout the rest of the summer i started looking for manufacturers and alibaba and i started testing out manufactures and as i started going through that process manufacturers would ask me. Hey do you have this. You have that. And i had no idea what they were talking about but i would never tell them no. I would just tell them. Yeah can get it to you tomorrow or the next day. And they were basically walking me through the entire manufacturing. Exactly you're allowing yourself to be taught through the. Yeah so maybe walk me through the process. And then after i went through the process like three or four times by just getting the sample may i started to understand like okay. This is what the manufacturers are looking for price point than the test act quantity number. They need to know what materials are going to be used. You cannot just have an idea everybody's got is you got to be a lot more than ideas right exactly and then i started diving into you. Know like wh what is the. What is it tech flat. What does that consist of is is it consists of me just having a digital mockup or is it me actually doing and doing all my own measurements in handpicking on my fabric and understanding the difference between you know fabric weights of gsm and all of that stuff so That process has been really like the last four years just trial and error out products. Let me let me stop you for a second because you said something that was interesting you say you save some money right out of college and then you started. You started your label right. What to two questions first questions. Why were you empower to even start. Why did you think that you can pop it off right because you because you have the audacity of self confidence to do that without a doubt right now people can think to themselves. I'm going to launch this this label. I'm going to take it where where needs to go. Second thing is for some the people listening to this right. They're they're they're aspiring to start a business there spiring to start a label a clothing label record label. Whatever the case may be they want to understand. Some people are like really really preparation oriented right. They're always trying to prepare what they don't ever get to actually doing it. Because the preparation takes precedent. Yeah so how much money did you start your business with. Because that's always an interesting question. I mean i don't like to talk about it. Because i look at it like one of the biggest mistakes ever made but i had so i didn't pay my bill when i graduated so instead of paying my turn but like when i graduate i didn't get my diploma. I had to turn bill by like diploma when they handed it to me. So i still to this day. Don't have my diploma. I took that money and started my brand. So i had. I had about eight to ten k. Saved up and i put all of that into just finding manufactures i didn't care about. I was so busy being creative. That i didn't even care about the business aspect of things because i was like you. I just wanna create something. And i didn't have like a great idea i but it was more so as you i just want to create something to get. The process started. Because that's the most difficult part. Hold on so you're in college right. How how many. I'm not sure what you're you know. How many people in your family graduated from college and united states. But i was the first myself right. Which is a big deal the people when they are the first of your of your your family to do it right. So you're i'm not i'm not talking about you're talking about mine but you're about to graduate. You can't get your diploma unless you unless you you pay that term bill. There's a bill at the end of the semester so long diploma the school system gives you something really they give you a gift at the ended diplomas process. They give you a bill so you take the money that you're supposed to pay the bill that you're saving up and you end up investing that money into your brand. That's interesting bro. that's very very interesting. I was not expecting say that to be honest with you. But that's still to this day. I still do that. They have not paid that bill. And i don and to me like i graduated like. I got all my credits. I don't need diploma. I complete anything about resume so fluffed my resume and say i graduated so but that's the testament that's a testament to how much you really care about what it is that you're doing you've out you valued investing in yourself versus giving you know another ten thousand dollars to xyz university. You know. i want to clarify. I want to clarify my position on that. And just and just say say this correctly away. You know schools important for some people that don't really know where they're headed in life and they need to move forward. I understand the value of that would. But if you're not sure if you're sure about who you are and what it is that you want to do with the with the rest of your life a move like jays move makes sense and a move like my move makes sense like dropping out of school and taking your book money investing in your business. 'cause that's so and to touch on The confidence part like the first part of the question that you asked like i. I was Basketball player in college. I played basketball for four years. I walked on rutgers camden. I didn't get a scholarship also is going to school in florida. My scholarship fell through. I ended up getting into rutgers camden three days before class started. I walk into coaches off and be like yo. I wanna play on a basketball team. Here's my highlight tape. Because they are. Yeah just come to the workouts. I come to the workouts fast food four. To five years later. I started. Since i was a freshman i gave the school. The first one is season in school history. I sent four to five records while i was there in my state there and on the flip side. I'm willing to be playing basketball. Because i only have one kidney so from a confident standpoint like my life has really just been testimony of people telling me things that i can't do like you'll you're too small to play college basketball. I was five eleven hundred thirty pals right. I'm not supposed to be playing basketball in college. The grand scheme of things but that has been a thing. Since i was younger i was always smaller than everybody else so it was like. I gotta have that confidence in everything that i do. I gotta look at myself. Like i'm the small guy right now but i'm not going to be always be that guy and i just took that confidence with everything that i did and translate that competitive nature to the fashion industry when i graduated because it was like when i started designing for my brand. It wasn't like. I want to be like you know. Supreme like that wasn't my goal. My goal was like you. I want to be the next rob. The friend and i thought that in my mind from the day that i started so it wasn't like are. We gotta do this that i that step i. I'm like no like i see that. That's where i wanna be. That's that's the influence that i wanna have. And i know i gotta put my thirty to twenty years in and do that though by me. Having you know that vision of seeing things like i see the n. Finish without even understanding the race right. Because i can figure that out along the way just like it's the same thing says running a marathon like you're gonna have obstacles you will want to have the you know you might have to sprint here but then you might have to walk beer and then you might have oddly a bike. You might have to swim. You know to the next destination. What is like you're constantly just put in situations where adversity is going to pop up and your character is going to be tested for. I had a situation. Where a main factor aware. They delayed my production for nine months. I could have lied flat. And just being like. I can't do this anymore but instead i you know i was depressed for like a month or two but then i just went out on. Found a new manufacturer built a whole 'nother collection and that collection was the collection that ghana seats. So it's like those those trials and tribulations are what's going to shape you into the person that you are like now any any type of situation. I ever see that is handed to me. I defeated cancer. Anything in front of me minor short and that's how i'm just approached everything moving forward so like confidence. Nobody can you definitely something. Nobody can take that away from you. I'm creating my own confidence. Nobody can take my confidence away from me unless allowed to show and i've always been like that strong minded individual like i don't really care with the fashion industry is doing. I don't care with the personal my left and my right is doing. I'm going to do whatever i think is right and i'm gonna do it my way as though as though so so. Where did we leave off. Before we went in that direction we left off of you. Get that money. You're you're you're you're out of school you start to label right. You're four years into it. At this point you tell you i mean my fifth year now fifth year right so you're one year to what is it like for you. Invest you invest this money. What is your one year to look like. And then give me like a fork in the road right after you start that says. I think i'm onto something here so year one. Was you know like the baseball jersey. And then that fall dropped my first. I said i like hoodies and stuff was the was the visible jersey. A win for you because of designed was it a win for you because of the economics of it or it was just kind of like. Let me see. If i can do this i can do this. Let's see the baseball jersey was more. So like tesla motors. I made. I made a decision to start. It was kind of like you know to kick start to get things rolling. And i came onto the gates selling three hundred dollars. I wasn't nobody people. Were asking me like you who to putin fuck. Do you think you are selling a baseball jersey for three hundred. And it's just the fact that i really didn't care about what they thought. Because i knew that. I put so much time. Effort into my product in quality was always my foundation. I always made sure my products are a certain level before they even touched the market. So even i had no really no idea what i was doing with the baseball jersey. The quality of it was still phenomenal right so like i didn't lack in that area so when our job at three hundred i had a couple of people that have bought it but i only had like ten or fifteen units made. I didn't have to go get fifty or one hundred. Because i got meet in the us so that was like just trial. That i went through it was like. Oh wow i can do this. And then now. I started getting into the overseas. May baxter in. I started designing next collection. Like my first official collection drop fall. Winter of twenty sixty. That was my first cut and sew collection ever drought so i really didn't drop a full collection until a year. After i started right most people would have just dropped the collection like that fall like. Oh like my brand is here is rolling. But i just took the time to invest in figuring out the process. I before i started you know really putting my product out. There was a test or like. Oh yeah. I got a brand. Here's something that we put out. And it's just a little taste. And then i took a year to figure out manufacturing process tech packs source and fabric and then that fault twenty sixteen was launched that let people know. You're i'm serious about this. I'm i'm really serious about being a designer. Not just having a t-shirt shirt brain. A i had a sweet zip up shirt Asleep bomber jacket. I had a short sleeve. Sweatshirt had paint splattered all over screen printed at terry towel logo embroidered on top. So when it came to like just me doing random stuff that was super untraditional. I did that from the gate. And i think that's what allowed me to really stay true to that vision so year two and year three was kind of like you know the second part of testing the waters because i started with cutting so but i had artist in you know. Local celebrities like gravitate towards my product organically. I didn't have to pay for a product placement offers two years. It was so organic at that point where people like. You and jack is still. Where did you get it. Oh and then. Oh i got it from nebr- bain and they were like oh where where they from oni based on his south jersey and then people from new yorker hit me up like yo like we heard about your brand and i'm just sitting here like how did people in new york here by my brand distant in south jersey right so it's like and then i started dealing with like you know. Dj caution and like no-go celebs got a little bit of buzz and the brands started to get a little bit of awareness. Up right social media and then I just continue. You know to keep releasing more products. And then i did my first pop up shop. We had like one hundred and fifty. Two one hundred seventy people come out to my first pop up shop shop. Oh we did at open. Space with. Billy doesn't philly yeah. It was a small event. Space is probably like fourteen hundred square feet a big white room but we didn't do a fashion show right. we did Basically d'amato's were live mannequins. So they were standing on platforms and we showcase single piece. That released up to that point. People didn't because it was super untraditional and as from a design standpoint. Like that's who i am. I'm not your traditional designer. I use untraditional fabrics elections and combinations like that just sped into the whole concept behind the brand and then realistically didn't come with the color colorblind logo and until a year in so we're literally i was. I only had to name it for. I only had the name remain at first but from a branding standpoint. I don't like having my name all over a product me. It just like is like seeing michael kors like after you see michael kors once or twice you like yo. I don't need to see it anymore. I understand his label. But like i want people to be able to see my product and not have to see the name but still know exactly who it is and that and when i came up with the color box logo this transcend back to win. I was getting my treatment at children's hospital every morning. I wake up all these building blocks. And that's how i came up with the logo design. But it's a year in my brandt figure out you know. What my nike checker. What my data stripe is and once. I found that. I started that build that into every single product and every single concept that i had moving forward so that's what the caller block represents represents represents the blocks they used to play with when you were going through treatment. Cool man was very cool. So i guess that you talked about the color block a lot. I guess that was that was your popoff item. You're too yeah. That's when i released My first cut and so. That's where nicola blocks actually came in. And i call that the foundation collection. That was like basically. I look at the the my interaction with the color. Blocks was me taking everything that i've been through and using that for foundation for hours gonna live my life from an adversity standpoint from you know dealing with any type of issues or problems that come our way. I have such a strong foundation. That it doesn't matter was really in the forefront. Because i can get past that the whole foundation collection was about. So you make you make this. You make a capsule you call this foundation. you create a color block logo. That's really representative of yourself. How do you market it. How do how do people know that. This is a product label. This is a collection of products. How do they. How do they know about the product. How do you get it out right. So one of my mentors One of my coaches in high school in one of my teachers by tv production teacher. So i did a lot of work with the kids at high school so we actually brought so many kids in intern and they shot a lot of content from the gate. So i was able to document a lot of the things that i was doing whether it was design. Work or like my behind the scenes at philly fashion week and Things like that so by me being able to tell my story visually and tell people you know that. I am cancer survivor. And i went through these things and this was being built into the product it allowed people to connect to the brand emotionally but the first thing that anybody is going to see if the product so proud of being dope or you know look look good photography that we had was pretty good at at that point where i was at my in my fashion designer journey. People saw the product like you and products do. Oh and there's a story behind it. I wanna support this so honestly. Their story has always been secondary for the average consumer. Because we see with our eyes i we. Don't listen with our ears. i gotta go. So this is what they see the product they migrate towards it and then the stories and out on the story is just the additive i get you and i agree also. So you're you're but how do you your marketing the product because you're able to connect with you're able to connect with somebody at at the school. Your mentor was able to bring you. People that are understood like content marketing. Is that what it is. It wasn't even at the understood it. I just got them to record. I gotcha. i visually like After working all the photographers videos. That i work with the brand building side when i was in college. Yeah understood you know visually how to catch up. Bring things to life. Gotcha so you need somebody to hold the camera to edit to produce the content and put it out and allow somebody to see the story. This is what year is this year. Three year four one was year. That was your to. I started that year too. So you started that first collection. Gotcha so that this color block logos is three years old at this point right two and a half three years so after the color block logo. I guess you got a little bit of Momentum after that you have people picking up the brand and really looking at it and just just Seeing what it is that you're doing they have a saying in the music industry right. You're only as good as your last hit right. this is. this is the same thing in the business world. it's the same thing in almost everything right after the color block which is dope by the way that's kind of how it was attracted to the brand right this the rugby piece. That was my favorite one. What happens after the color block what happens three year four. Look give me some of that. So so year after that ball collection Like i said i picked up steam With that collection then we transition transition transition into sprint that spring the next year i design these windbreakers. It was a windbreaker set. Windbreaker pants Windbreaker jacket but instead of using a typical nylon fabric. I research fabric and found fabric called tasman tasman a higher fabric of nine lot and it's more durable and is waterproof so by me discovering that fabric i was able to put it onto the windbreakers. Now windbreakers getting ready to drop I got somehow got connected with. Will tyler. And i ended up. Who who is wolf tyler. Who that is. Who is so. We'll tyler back then was like a vine celebrity got like was popping on vine and then now she transition and music and she died like a music art based out of new. She was from new york but lives in. la And she wrote some songs on the stallions album and stuff like that so i connected with her and was able to get her a windbreaker set. She did a photo shoot with a windbreaker set. And then i did. There's an a fitness instructor named kim russo. Who reached out had like a million followers. She liked the windbreaker. Says why sending out her. She posted it so now. I'm getting like all these. Like celebrity endorsement buzz on the brand so like i wouldn't organic organic with it and it was. It was organic is so all that stuff came through. Organic style is started reaching out to me. That work with artist in i knew like from you know the process of trying to get something to artists. You gotta go to the people that are around them. The odds of you getting in contact with them directly are really slim to none especially in an era social media so a lot of stylish started reaching out and i just started getting more placements. We got ended up getting a placement The next year. After i got places on like love hip hop and stuff like that but still being in that year after the fall collection. I walked in philly fashion week. Then i did another pop up shop which was extremely successful. Backpacks affiliate fashion week one week and two weeks later. I did a papa. How how sorry to interrupt you. I don't want to cut you off. But how important is philly fa fashion week in in this process for you. How important is putting your products in the philadelphia market and getting that kind of getting a response out of it. That really that people migrates wasn't give you that validation. How important was or wasn't important for you. Philly philly fashion week was was more so big not for me to just give our product out there. It was big for me because in allow me like. I didn't know some waves philly philly's actually sometimes you pay for slot. I didn't have to pay for a slot on my ended up getting offering a slide last minute like a week before the show because they have dropped out and they had to fill the slot so he reached out to me and say hey. I saw your brand on instagram. The we'd love to have you in philly fashion. We might drop out. Star ended up taking the slot and I showcase the brain for refashioning. But at that time i was working as a store manager and retail for aldo and they had Friday night thursday night. They had a show friday night. You able to sit with The director from newark fashion week. And they view your collection. I wasn't even able to go to that part of the fashion week. Because i have to work that night so i missed that opportunity but then i walked saturday in fashion. We in the feedback that we got from fashion week was phenomenal. People gravitated towards the logo and the color blocking because back in twenty sixteen. Twenty seventeen people weren't wearing a lot of light loud colors and we still like monotone real neutral by then for my brand of walking fashion. We can people seeing all these loud colors and designs but the quality of the product was along with that. I got a lot of buzz in the fashion realm of villi because there's a urban market and then there's philly fashion week market is to completely different markets of so. I had a part of urban urban community already but for me to tap into the philly fashion week market there are people who own boutiques and magazines and like after philly fashion week. There was a lot of people who is on the brand allowed me to get featured in like a couple of philly magazines with just those collections that we showed in philly fashion week and then right after philly passionately two weeks later we were featured in to uk fashion magazines. I send out product to a model that was in the uk linked up with a photographer. Sent them a product out to the model. They ended up doing a shoot in the uk. And i wasn't even there. Wow they did shoot. We got featured in to uk fashion magazines just based off an issue. So it sounds to me like the amount of passionate you put into your brand bro. It just it allows you to elevate the game and you really. You put your time in your money and really just crafting a product. That's really really that resonates with you and then the customer. That accurate year not i. I think that's that's the foundation of of who i am. I'm not gonna put something out to put it out But with the brand it allowed me to you. Know isn't extension of meat like that's how i look at it. My brand is an extension of who i am as a person. My story And on the flip side just being able to understand my vision for what fashion is or what my idea. Fashion is and not let the industry shutter speed me up or industry china. Change my my thought process. Like i don't. I'll look at other designers very briefly. I don't study them no. I studied their business models. But i'm not studying them as a designer because i don't wanna be them from the design standpoint. I wanna be them from the business model. I want to look at rap lorraine and look at. Okay how did he grow his business from you know just making polo shirts to offer women's and home goods and handbags and having brand segmentation with our l. purple label. Like those are the things. I'm looking at it i don't care about who's designing what or what's on the train report or what's on a pants own color report. I don't care about none of that. I don't design based on trend design stuff that to me is timeless like ten years from now. It's something you could wear. Sure i understand totally i understand. They say what was the saying. They say fashions temporary. What was the saying. Fascist temporary style is timeless right. Yeah so you're the the way they the way that you crafting. Product is not on a set schedule. It sounds like you're making capsules based on when you want to drop the capsules as not like you have summer fall spring. You know like drops. I haven't i've never. I haven't i don't think i've ever adopted like i'll label something fall winter in the and like the the year but like i've never adopted the idea of the fashion industry. Sure i think the fashion industry is the biggest joke in the world. And as i is. I begin getting more acclimated with the processes of designing sneakers and designing handbags and just designing clothes. In general. i understand eighty percent of the market is bullshit. Like we'll make sure. Senator mark what makes you say eighty percent of the markets bullshit. Why do you say. Eighty percent. So eighty percent of the market bush to me. This is my personal opinion. Because i can go on alibaba get vendor. I don't even have to design anything. i can. Just send them out logo and tell them to put it on a shirt jacket. And that's to me that's eighty percent of market. Like if you really sit back and you look at you know the fashion over you look at even a pretty little things forever. Twenty one ancient them Even though they major label burberry products that you know you can easily go alibaba and get the same product. It's not like with this era of the internet. every the world is so small now and all. The resources are accessible so for anybody. Who thinks that you know. Like i don't know how to do this or i can't make this product like you can literally google and find everything that you need in less than fifteen to twenty minutes absolutely absolutely we. Everything being accessible like that. The market becomes slowly over saturated. so now it's like even sweatsuits. Every single brand literally have the same vendor for they don't have to do any of their sizing they can send their logo take deciding that the company that the vendor has been used for years and put their logo on it and now they have a brand so how how much how much of a project like a insult piece or you pattern making so me. I don't so one thing. I don't do. I don't so right. I can't so when i can't draw. I can design things digitally like in illustrator with lines right. So like i construct my garments digitally and you know i have my color ways in my logos. I do all my sizing measurements in house but my manufacturer. There's a master master pattern maker. That is my manufacturer. So i can send them all my digital back with all my specs and they can drive added for me. They don't have to do. My patterson house they create create the tech pack. They create a sample and then they send it back to you for approval. Yes so i'll send them. I do my tax measurement ascended. To them they'll go to master pattern maker. He'll make the pattern will start with the sample process that takes about two weeks. I'll get my sample in about two weeks. And then if it's ready to go in production of production takes three weeks and sample times normally like three weeks. So i've been able to get building. The relationships been able to give call the time called the quantity for sure. Exactly so you talked about the ralph lauren model twice in this conversation. How much of the work that. You're doing because everytime i pop on you on instagram pop on a couple times on instagram guys. Working by himself. He's doing everything on his own. He's packing. He's pulling how much of the work for this label. You doing on your own and how much of this labeled you own how much you have partners that that work with you in order to build. But so right. Now it's just me and Photographer that's it. We don't have anybody that's like on payroll permanently We haven't really contract anything out Since i do graphic design that's like eighty percent of the job she'll do i need to start outsourcing. Yes because i can't do everything at the scale that i want to grow now but My photographer came to me about two and a half years ago and he told me you. I saw your brand in philly fashion week. I stopped in your pop up your photos. Your photography is not on level with the product that you're putting out so he was basically telling me like oh you're pictures is great as your product is so instead of me having an ego. Nba like you'll you'll just hater. I was like all right. Let's sit down. Let's have a conversation and setup. shoot. I set it up. The shoe is names. Rue castro probably the best fashion photographer in philly jersey. Easy like by a long shot issues. Human aliens He's been doing stuff he's about to start doing something for the girl that had three the first three d fashion show on fashion room. He's like the go. We did the first year with him in the completely changed. I went from this. Half in streetwear happen high end brand to my brand is almost on same level as michael. Kors jeremy scott like from a visual standpoint from visuals him. Yay so that transcend and then we can build our relationship. We kept working together and then He actually came in and was like yo. Like i believe in your story. I believe in the brand. I'm invested in it. So i ended up giving him split of debrecen Ten percent so he came in for a specific amount for an amount ten percent brand and he handles a lot of photography. You know house further brand and it was just me understand that okay. I can't do it all by myself. I have an amazing photographer was invested in a brand not only because it's dope because the story behind it and we can build together so that was the biggest relationship that i've had with the in the brand far So that's what urbane is. Bane is ninety me. Ten rue castro right and That's it like. I didn't money. I didn't get money from like a million dollar investor to grow my brand or anything like that. Everything has been done in house and it will remain in house for me. Because i don't wanna touch. That's my baby. I don't wanna touch that. Like i don't wanna get. I don't wanna give that away because an extension to me. So how do you. How do you scale moving forward right. So because because for when you're building a brand when you're building a retail brand right because that's what you're trying to do trying to go direct to the consumer and build a brandt. So far is what i can see right jab. We haven't spoken about if there's any product placement retail stores or anything like that. So as far as i know right now you're trying to go direct to the customer and in this day that's very accessible way to get to the customer you can right. So how do you scale on your own. What a team of people without people that you put in a position to help you scale concept. How do you do that so Like i was saying negate. The the my idea of the brand was to be testimony for what i can do somebody else. So from a scaling standpoint Where bain my product can sell online like well says well online but it's something that has to be seen in person for you to really believe it and understand it so like you can see quality and image intel debt necessarily won't translate to just to a purchase if it's at a medium high price point because the consumer now is more price conscious than ever because there's so many options for them to choose from so so for me it was like i gotta try to find a way to get into a location or i gotta find a way to have my own location where people can come in and experienced brandon real time. So i actually interviews wait. Labs donate hammer and i interview with think. Use handy interviews with them. Because this was about two years ago had interviews with them. They saw the product loved the product quality. First thing they said was your quality phenomenal right. Last thing that they said was you. Don't have enough hike behind your brain so we can't put you in the store and for me at that point it was just a reality check like i can't rely on anybody else to give me an opportunity like i can't expect my brain to be in a store. I can't expect those expectations. So i got to create my own experience and create my own store so the idea with the new new space that we lease was the idea that happened the beginning which was a consulting part to where i can help brands. Elevate like i couldn't win. Got an urban store completely by myself and been one hundred percent selfish and did that and scale the brand that way like easily. But instead i wanted to create an atmosphere and a community that you know i can have my wall where i need to have it in the space but i can give other brands and opportunity to help them grow and we are bane. It's going to bains a organically grow. Because now i'm in a retail location. Which i run this retail location and my brain here. We'll have other brands in here. That can help drive traffic. Not only to my brand will help drive. Traffic to their brand is well in from a scale standpoint. Now position where. I can house people if i needed to so this. The space is a collective space that you what you've done is you've leased space and now now what you're doing is you're you're positioning your brand. As a as a brand within the space and then you're going to lease additional spaces to other to other vendors within that right so the model is a little bit more complicated than that because this this space has actually a co working space so people can come in. You know utilize the wi fi. We have We'll have a music studio have a livestream twitch room where people you know can switch call duty xbox and whatever we have a makeup tutorials room if a makeup artist doesn't have own studios you can come in and take our clients here. Do their makeup. We'll have a lounge area where you can just come in. Hang out watch. Tv so we created an experience base which is like a we work but it's going to have retail built into the back end so the goal for the spaces for us to get brands in house. We can help them with brand development. We do their websites. Mobile app my partner who is A real estate investor actually runs the digital marketing company. So we basically took a lot of the things that we do phenomenally well and merged them into one space to where we can house. A brand develop a brand from their visuals to photography videography. We can build their websites for them. We can do facebook ads We can do their product development whether that's from manufacturing side overseas. Because i have all those resources whether it's close accessories watches Chains hats like for home. Good can produce any product now because i have those resources. Sure so with that. We're also launching our own wholesale brand so instead of people having you know. Go to bella canvas or next level or a guild in. We'll have super high quality blanks that our brands in house can use so. Somebody's listening to this right now and thinking himself man. That sounds good. Where how do i start. How can they get a hold of you. How they can reach out. Reach out to you can do. Our website will end up being alive like the first week in december and They can just fill out a contact form and if they want To be a part of the space the apply they would get a membership so we have regular membership. If that'll start at thirty dollars and we have a membership where you can bring a guest in for fifty dollars. That's the basic membership where you can just come in and use the wi fi. You don't really get any utility in inside the space but you know being around with the creatives right So thirty dollars gets you want exactly he just gets you access to this issue access to the space the wifi and being able to be in here with other that you can connect with because like most people like i know. I can't sit at home on my computer and like just create lock. Like sometimes i gotta be in a certain type of atmosphere. And that's really what you know. We work is get to go somewhere else. That's like you know a satellite office or satellite. Workspace where you know you might be able to you. Socially connect with some people who are doing the same thing that you're doing So yeah so. That's what the the the baseline of space is. But uh being a brand being able to come in and we can help you know develop a higher quality product and if you wanna be sold here you have to be a member like we're not opening the doors to anybody that's just random and doesn't want anything to do with building that community in the space short so our goal is you know you get your membership The membership can also give you a free consultation free brand consultation so we can diagnose the brand see where areas of opportunity are and on the flip side. If you wanna get yourself soul here you have to fill out an application if your application is denied for your stuff that gets sold in the space. We'll put a three to six month action planning together for you with a budget. Spending we can engage you to the point where your brain can be sold here like when the and qs blackstone a hammer they were basically like yo. Your brand doesn't have enough height your outlook. We can't put you in here but they didn't tell me like yo if you do this or you do that. We could have opportunity here for you. Sure so. I think that's a huge opportunity with brands because a lot of friends. Just don't have that direction where anybody close to them. Know has random brand that is somewhat successful so by us being able to offer those tools it can help brands grow within also help our consulting business because we have a proven model with their bane. We can build a brand and building an amazing product. We have a wholesale distribution line where we can get you higher quality blend. You're getting anywhere else. So a brand that automatically comes in and works with us is automatically going to be elevated. And how do you how do you. How do you price that somebody comes to you and says listen. I have a brand. I want you to work with me on the wholesale side of it. How do you price it so all. They were doing it if it if they're just looking for new for sale they would have to do is get the membership. They can get a basic membership. Then they get access to wholesale pricing on on a wholesale on the wholesale a blanks that we have but will be retailing our wholesale blanks at full price. So if somebody ran a customer comes in. I just wanna plain black ludi. That's like phenomenal equality. They can buy that blankly for sixty five or seventy bucks. But if you're a brand and you come in and you have a membership you can get access to wholesale pricing dodger dodger. And what if they want to scale their brand. How do you offer that consulting service. How do you priced out so it would going to hourly basis so like for me to do your consultations personally me. I i try seventy dollars an hour for a consultation in any type of brand work seventy. I'm bill at seventy five dollars hour so whatever it takes me to do but i can give you an action plan where you can execute because we have all the resources that you need inside the space so if you have like the higher level membership which is probably like. I think it was two hundred dollars a month. You get access to certain amenities whether we have a cyclo wall in the space where you can. Somebody can come in and shoot their content. You can't really go anywhere to get. The cycle shows very very rare to find something speed especially in south. Jerry's sean so we have like a cycle of wall where somebody can come in shoot video content. How that all light. How big is the space are speaks like in general five thousand square feet. There's a five thousand square foot space. Big space man. Yeah no yeah. It's huge so okay. So i saying so. You have the photography space you. Have you setting up the environment. You're setting up the foundation of what's needed for somebody to start a brand right and the thing is and this is what i've been trying to. I've preached to a lotta people with. We can give you. I can give you the tools. I can give you the resources but i can't do the work for sure so i'm gonna give you everything. I everything that we have in in house. I'm going to get everything that we have everything that we can offer you. I'm gonna give it to you but it's up to you to run with it and that was something. I had to teach myself when i was doing. Clients website is like. I can build you a phenomenal website. But at the end of the day you got the one to push the traffic and make money to keep it going. And that was something i had to realize because i used to take on people's brands or websites like they were my own. But you can't necessarily do that because it's up to them. They're running machine. You can't run it for now unless they're paying you to do that. So that was something i realized. Then i realized that you know. If i can give somebody to resources that they need to be able to elevate their brand and they want to work they can easily be successful. Because i've seen a different distribution. Like i understand the wholesale model i understand mixing a wholesale model with a manufacturing model. So that you don't have to deal with like nine months of delay production. I right so it's just a matter of understanding the processes but now it's like a brain comes in here just the fact that we can get you high quality wholesale blanks. That nobody else has access to. That's the exclusivity factor right there. Why would nobody else have. access to. That people can source blanks on their own. Why would they need. Why would they need to go through you because if they wanna save time and money go through more evident we proved we proved it already more efficient thing that yes more efficient like even with manufacturing right so i do consultations with building products from scratch like Whether it's a garment whatever so easily. Somebody could go on alibaba finding manufacturer and go through the manufacturing process sample process but in spend thousands of dollars just to get to that point right or you can pay me somebody. Who's done it already. And we can do all of your insight in everything in house sizing i have over a thousand fabric swatches that we can choose from different different fabrics and i can do. We can do everything in house. And i can save you time and money because you going out and finding your own manufacturer alone is gonna take thirty six months. Can you easily go get some sweatsuits from a vendor and cool you wanna make a custom product. That is yours that you that nobody can be like. Oh well oh. That's that's definitely you know original favorites. Or that's bella canvas or that's next level or this is definitely gilding the like when you build something completely costume can tell you that it's from somewhere else like i can do something. Come down to the different color. Ribbing inside of the hood can be a different material than outside. We can do like anytime of measurements that we want to have velcro on and off low goes like i have no restriction so if you wanna go find your own manufacturer then please i like i- aplogies so go ahead sure. We've we've done it already. So how many of these projects have you currently done right. So i've developed I lost my sock manufacturing company small. And i've already locked in five orders with clients already so Last did earlier this year. I launched my first set of stocks. Wha what's mo those orders the one hundred one hundred color on an per caller. What's the price was three dollars and thirty three dollars and thirty cents per share that ranges depending on how many units shift zoar or the f. o. b. cia ship ship shipped door shift. Oh no no no. i'm lying. The ship ship in causes one hundred and eighty dollars in anisette. So you got three thirty. Plus eighty s looking at five ten plus Your sample costs. Which is one hundred bucks. So you looking at around six hundred dollars for a hundred pairs. But that's only like the cost of your first order after you reorder. You don't have to go through the sample process again or if you have the order a different color. You don't have to go through the sample process again because it's the same design. That's different color. I got you so where where's this place located for anybody. That's watching that's interesting going there and checking it out because i will be. I'll be going in black in gloucester premium outlets. Now we are two doors down from my cougar's we were next door to polo polo. Ended up moving to a larger It's just crazy. I could talk about ralph lauren and we were a damn near next door to know what we're in. The same outlet is dumb. So are premium outlays right by county college though. So how are people receiving you so far I haven't really been posted that much about the space But the people have came in saw. We're blown away and then we haven't even done anything really like the space is minimal right now. We have some furniture We did a photo shoot here last week. Where i set up the my section like interbay section and. We did a photo. We've we had a model that came down from new york so we did a photo shoot like they were in a store and it was like all our product all over to watches accessories clothes and we shot them basically in the shop so it came out. It was still. It was pretty cool. What is any way. We can see the space right now off if i can i can. I can choose my camera around so this is like what should be like an apple genius bar here. What was what was the space. What was the space originally. What was this it was newark. And company donna donna. They actually went out of business. They went They filed bankruptcy and closed other stores. Yeah so we actually took over their space. Let me see on court is gonna reach so this is the front half of the store trying to move in much as i can hope he has done above. But it's bigger than you know. It's it's a good size Over here so in cyclo wall is over here in a bag was the second one on the side. I said these are gonna be like private work in booths and we got a pool table So what an interesting space man. Yeah to me is going to be like. I said it's gonna be a project. Everything's not going to be one hundred percent done. You know by the time we open. We're still going to have to get some stuff you know figured out as far as like You know adding more amenities as we go but we just wanted to have the baseline of like the stuff that we basically need for now. So that's dope man. It's never really done to be honest with you. Take take take it from somebody. That's gone through it a few times. It's never really a done process. You're always kinda working on it as you go. so what. What is what is next for you for the brand. Are you trying to get into retail position. Are you trying to get it. Direct to consumers that the route that you wanna take how you're going to get into that position where you think you're going to get our l. purple label and how are you going to diversify yourself and get get the brand and scale it to where you need it to be. Division for me is to focus on avenue black right now Have her being having black. Which is space real real quick. Why why the name avenue black Still from negate. When i started being i wanted to. Before i started being i wanted to start a digital magazine And this was five six years ago. I want to start a digital magazine. Catered to you know. Local artists fashion music. All of those different categories and The name avenue black came up because there was really no avenue back then for artists of color as far as like you know digital platforms or anything like that. So that's what. I wanted to create back then. And ever since. I had the name cottages stuck with me but as as i grew i understood the meaning behind avenue. Black is in is really taking things from is basically like the light at end of the tunnel. That's really what avenue black is. It's you know you gotta go through this avenue or you know this. This tunnel has dark to get to the end. Right is the light so that was kind of like the whole vision and the whole meaning behind the true meaning behind like what avenue. Black is And once i got the name. Like i the name for over five years. So it's been there. It was just. I had to evolve the whole mindset of it because it's not just a consulting company now we're an entire coworking conglomerate that offers consulting in brand building very cool so when i i reach out to you quick conversation about that. That's that's a lot more involved than Than i expected to be honest. So that's pretty pretty wit with bain like snacks for that is We have a. We have a bunch of pieces dropping this friday for black friday. We gotta velcro varsity bomber I had to transition out of survival note so that we talked about new zealand. Time something that nipsy says. You can't operate in survival mode because when you very survival mood you're doing things to get to the next thing right. Yeah if i'm designing clothes and survival mode i'm like you. I got to make these thirty shirts. And i gotta tell them all can get to the next step in. That's not going to allow you to flourish. So i had to take a step back and try to figure out. What is my purpose with. My legacy going to consist. And i really enjoy helping. People helping brands I really enjoy helping. People helping brands So with avenue black. Everybody knows everybody's trying to sell the product right now like everybody in her mom like know. I wanna make t-shirt wanna make candles. I wanna make this wanna make that. But there's very few people who wanna serve as those people who are trying to sell a product and that's really where my focus is because at the end of the day i have to run a business is and i have to. You know put food on the table night to pay my bills. I don't wanna feel pressure to do that with her. Bain because i won't be designing what i wanted design i'll be designing to survive right and that's what my transition was so like now i could. Do you know four capsules or five capsules. A year and be completely fine and satisfied with irving and i don't have to feel pressure from anyone myself the industry or anything to keep dropping stuff every single week or you know like because now i have a police rockin house my product and i just redesigned all my basics that are getting manufactured and we'll have stuff in house that you know you can just come in and take a look at all the time and that was the part of me. Adopting the retail mine. Of what i when you go get any of the stories. You fifth avenue york. A lot of those stores aren't profitable right. Most people think like these are billion dollar stores there but not like the company. I worked for aldo. The only reason why they had a store fifth avenue was because it was a marketing claw. So if you're on vacation or you're visiting and you see out oh and you go in there and you're like oh my god issues are so cool. Let me by him. And then you go back home in arizona where you live you buy. You are more inclined to go back to store their their their loss leaders most of the fifth avenue times square without a doubt. They're they're actually living billboards. That's all it is. Yeah yeah and when once they understood that i understood like okay why would i go religiously even if i could make a killing if i store why would i go. Have my own store. That's just me pressuring myself. That i got constantly put designs out because i got to store full and i gotta make sure that you. We have a collection every season. Because that's what the people want like with only having a law in space. I don't have to pressure muscle to drop a bunch of stuff. I can drop. When i want to drop in be completely contained comfortable with that but now i have speech where house my brand. I house my inventory. I don distress myself about you. Know working one hundred and fifty square foot office in my house than having shelves of apparel sitting there and packaging up orders walking over boxes. I don't have to worry about that anymore. Because i put my ego to decide and got a bigger be that can benefit a lot more people. How how are people receiving that on the benefits side. Not the customer side like how many people are coming in. Yeah i want this wall. I wanna take a wall in here. I wanna take a wallet. How many people are doing that. I mean for the black friday papa. We have seven vendors. Locked in already. And i mean we have to think maybe one more slot eleven. I might just create a slot because somebody just hit us up but when people come in and see the space is like they get it. They're like like you're not going to go have a pop up or even get into a retail store where you'll be able to come in and merchandise your own product We have clothing racks. We have shelving space. We have gondolas. We have display tables. We have like there's like we have lilly everything because new york and company everything for us right. You're not you can't. You're not gonna go and you michael you damn sure ain't gonna go michael kors and get all right so it's like we're in a prime location next to one of the biggest designers a world right now two doors. Now you're not gonna find a better location where you can come in and customize your own installment on a wall right let alone the traffic that comes through here so you find like friday your funding interest without a doubt. We have because. I already deal with brands already so now i have somewhere where i can house them. Short like taking on new clients. That's cool but i'm gonna work with the clients that we have i and build them up to the point where they can have. What is here in any new clients. That come in they'll get worked into. The funnel is a process that everybody has to go through. 'cause we can't sell anybody's product in here by certain aesthetic that has to be maintained sure And is not an space not one hundred percent retail focus. We really only have three or four spaces in the store. That's going to have retail. But it's the fact that if you come in here your brain is in here. People are coming in. You're getting an experienced first and then they can enjoy your brand second does though and that's where we that's where we wanted to know me working retail i under- just understood that experience always has to be i when product can sell it is just experienced. Gotta come i absolutely. When do you think you're going to have place up and running so we'll be open for black friday day and then we might shut down for a week And then we'll be up and ready to go by mid december so expecting to be there for christmas throughout christmas season without a doubt in our membership should launch the second week of december. If they don't the second week in december because we got Finish up some of the amenities to make sure that they are hundred percent. Ready to go Then if they would start january first that's so if you guys are tuning in to To this episode got man. Charles j here from urbane urbane right. That's how you pronounce it Name of the brand is urbane if you're interested in his story if if you're interested in his brand or if you're interested into space avenue black there's going to be a lincoln in the description section of this video and It'll take you to his his website his instagram. It'll get you some information about how you can get get more info and what it is that he's doing charles. Is there anything that you want to ask me. Do you have any thoughts any questions that you have for me for. I let you go so what what made you wanna start a podcast me Okay so what made me start podcast. Well i've been business for twenty years right i. I've been in business for myself. Since i would say about sixteen years old right and i feel like throughout that process. I've i've gotten to me a lot of interesting people and every and all the people that that i've met. They all have an underlying grit. They have an underlying personality in lying grit. And this is something that i wanted to dive into. And i wanted to provide that kind of value and storytelling to people that are going to be the next wave of entrepreneurs right or they're currently that you know the current wave of entrepreneurs. There's people watching this and they're they're starting their music career you know. They want some guidance man. Not everybody has the ability to have a conversation like this right. There's people that they don't have a family member that owns a business so they don't think it's accessible right. There's people that you know. They're they're looking at this channel and they're trying to figure out what their next move is. So i feel like that. That's a very valuable thing. That's why i started this podcast. So i think In this new world man you gotta you gotta give people some real stuff. You know what i mean. Everybody's trying to take bro. But i feel that this can be valuable for the right people. So that's why. I started this podcast. So you guys watching this. This is this. Is the hustle man show. This is charles j. It's the urban episode. Sure you check out his his his co op. Cooperative workspace his. We work slash fashion workspace. Sure you check out his label and just make sure you check out the guy you know. I feel like story is really cool. His brand is really interesting. And this is i feel like there's one thing that over arches your whole store your whole narrative man. It's not just the brand is not just a workspace. Your your story is the grit. Is the hustle right. You had to beat the biggest demon in the world man. One of the big life you know you to be able to survive right so that kind of a big deal. So that's what will relieve it. Yeah charles thank you for being on the show. I appreciate you man all of my appreciate. I love being here. Thank you appreciate it. Thank you for watching and remember. It's businesses always personal. Thanks for tuning into another episode of hustle. Man show make sure you click that subscribe in tap that belt for the audio experience. Spotify and soundcloud links are below. Follow us on instagram twitter. It's pat cap swag. Usa remember businesses always person.

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Limited childcare risks a she-cession; Calls to decentralize meat processing after COVID-19; Saskatchewan Roughriders superfan; Zoo animals wondering where all the noisy humans went

The Current

1:13:16 hr | 1 year ago

Limited childcare risks a she-cession; Calls to decentralize meat processing after COVID-19; Saskatchewan Roughriders superfan; Zoo animals wondering where all the noisy humans went

"Throughout the nineteen eighty s strange phenomenon with sweeping North America. They were in a panic and like people in a panic. They want solutions allegations of underground satanic cults torturing and terrorizing children. The thing is there were no satanic cults preying on children and nearly thirty years later the people touched by it all are still picking up the pieces a work of fiction. This is a work of history satanic panic the latest CBC. I'm cover available now. This is a. Cbc podcast with demand has just been so overwhelming. It's amazing they're trying to stay on grocery stores. I think as much as they can but supporting local I take also you know. Speak factor now. Our food system is in flux. Grocery shopping has gone from a pleasure for many to an anxiety. Ridden events with lineups physical distancing an empty shells at the other end of the line. There are also problems particularly when it comes to meet is meat processing. Plants have become epicenters of the coronavirus spread. There are calls from farmers and others to dramatically change. How that part of the food chain works will hear more in thirty minutes also this morning. Spare a thought for Regina a football mad city home to the Scotch when rough riders. Regina was set to host this year's Grey Cup. That likely won't be happening. Even more alarming is the existential threat. The entire CFL faces in this pandemic will hear from a superfan and then they of interaction engagement provice of they don't have that anymore. So every time I will person closure there will coming over and and see. I'm doing because it's just say quite fully it must be eighty straight. You think you're lonely. Quarantined at home. Imagine animals at the zoo without all of us gawking at them in and our house. Zoos are adapting to this pandemic reality. Imagine a drive in the with drafts not movies. We begin though with these. She session in the middle of the recession. And what that means for working women are now out of the office and stuck at home. Good Morning I'm Matt Galloway and this is the current capture canceled schools out in most of the country daycare centers or reducing spaces. If they're open at all candidates patchwork of childcare services is being frayed along with the nerves of many working parents particularly working MOMS. And it's not good news for the economy. If women are forced to choose between leaving the home to work and staying home to take care of the kids this is a familiar struggle for my next two guests. Nicole Brady has three kids under twelve. She's a nurse at a Toronto Hospital. Chelsea collectors legal assistant and mother of two in Saint John New Brunswick. Good morning to you both running. Chelsea. Let's start with you. What did you do when schools and daycares I closed in New Brunswick I think I did? What most mothers had to do. I mean I had to call my employer and let him know that my hands were tied and unfortunately I wasn't physically able to go into the office. You offered to work from home I did. Yes but I wasn't taking up on that I was told No worries to take care of my family and I didn't hear any more until I was told that there was no longer a position for me to go back to. What do you mean New Brunswick starting to reopen so My employer had Told me that he could not wait for me. And that he had moved on so he just found someone new and replaced my position but failed to communicate that to me until I actually had reached out. Was it like for you to hear that you know longer had a job? It was devastating absolutely devastating I have recently just purchased my first home so to know that I no longer have income guaranteed income coming in. It's been extremely stressful. Can Imagine Nicole. What about for you tell me about the work home balance and how that changed for you when the pandemic arrived sure so I work in a hospital and when we found out that there was no longer going to be at school or childcare? My kids go to daycare within their school. I talked with my employer and we worked away in which I would work in the hospital Sundays of the week and then work from home. Other days of the week My husband's his work also shut down and he was working from home He works extremely long hours in his job. So we We're kind of doing nine. We try that for a good Eight or nine weeks and I think and then it was just becoming unmanageable especially when the kids started getting involved in online schooling A little young to be doing all those things on their own And so we just manage that stress levels and the amount of work were becoming unmanageable. And so I took my employer but taking an pay about her mind. Was there a moment when you realized it was all too much I mean. I think that that scenario that you're describing something that so many parents can relate to but was there a moment when the two of you just sat down and he said this has to stop. I do specifically remember a moment just around my kids and I was. I think I'd just gone off on a call and I was taking the kids out for a walk with the dog and attorney being incredibly stressed and I found said something in my hair and I looked at my son and I said this is like peanut butter or dog shampoo. I don't know what it is. And he and he laughed at me and I said how do I look and he said tired and stressed mummy nine. Just that broke my heart and I didn't want to From the memories that they have of this particular time I didn't want it to them thinking of me as tired and stressed there. Are these the bed of that equation. Daycares in Ontario specifically for essential workers. In you would be assuming class dozen essential worker as a nurse. Was that an option for you and I did yes. It is an option for me. I I live in Toronto and way like into the take the essential workers Daycares available and the time when I looked at it five days after it had opened. They were already eight hundred applications for the hundred twenty spots. Did what would've Free Kelsey? There are childcare centers that opened up again in New Brunswick this week. Is that offering any assistance while it is limited childcare facility that. My boys attended They were only allowed to take back fifteen children which is quite a drastically. Low number for them So unfortunately I actually just found out yesterday that my children no longer have spot So daycares are starting to get back open. But it's limited space so it's difficult to even find a day care that you can place your children in so you went from having a job to not having a job that you went from having childcare spaces to not having a childcare space right so it's Kinda what do you do situation. Do I find a job I do? I find childcare. How do I do one without the other? So it's extremely stressful. Do you have friends or family that I mean. All of this is complicated. By the fact that we're supposed to be distancing from each other but are there is a friends or family. That could try to help it. I do have lots of friends and family. That are supportive and however I come from a very large family and my parents have younger children to care for themselves and they're also still working during this so it's very limited. I really don't have any options of where my children can go Nicole. You decided that you would take on the childcare. How did how did you and your husband worked at to figure out who was going to Put The career on pause for the moment and and handle what was going on at home so my husband has a quite a busy job and he is in charges and many people within his role and he's his income to support the majority of our So in the end it was easy enough for me to make switch decision that it would be. I would take time off easy enough intellectually. I'm sure but emotionally. What was that? Like difficult. I really struggled to decision for a long time. I think we kind of let the decision go on longer than we wanted to. 'cause I was really struggling with the concept of leaving. I'm fear a few things you know. I hadn't expected on taking a leave of absence from work again. You know I kind of I done my three mile lease and had rejoined the workforce and Kinda thought. This was my rejoining work And then also which is you know leaving my colleagues kind of a small group that I work within. I was worried about kind of Increasing the workload on on make my colleagues and I am worried in some ways although everyone is quite supportive about what it would be like when I go return back to work and will be Odd between all of this. What are you concerned about their Just you know depending on how long I think we just have no idea how long this is going to go on for when I'm going to have healthcare again You know in on -Tario there's still no idea to win. Daycares may open And our daycare is actually within the school. So I don't know if that would even affect the reopening of that daycare So I think it's just you know yes. I'm taking a leave of absence. But what if it extends for months and months and months? Will things just be really you know? Awkward and strange within Might work when I return. I feel definitely very out of place. I think In terms of my work. And where things are. You've been trying to figure this out as well. Kelsey as you mentioned. You're how you go about looking for another job now that you don't have this job. How does that start to unfold if you're also dealing with childcare but you have that you mentioned buying a house you'd have the looming workers over your head as well? That's where I am kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place Because I just. I don't know which one to prioritize. I am nervous that if I go and find a new job that I'm not gonNA have the daycare to back it up and on the flip side. I'm nervous that if I do you find a daycare but I don't find a job. I don't WanNa take that availability away from someone who is working and have them put in a position where they no longer can go to their job. Because I've taken a spot in the daycare and you want to work as well. It's not like you don't worse. Yes I most definitely want to work. I have found out during this. I am not meant to stay at home. Mom I do not have the my face for that but I do very much want to work. It's just I don't even know where to start. So it's it's overwhelming. Are you hearing from other friends Kelsey who are in similar situations people in in your social circles talking about this. Yes I have had quite a few People reach out locally to me And there are. It always seems to be mothers. Who are Kinda stuck in this place? Where don't know what to do So I mean it is an issue. I don't think it's an issue that is being talked about now because there are so many people out there that are in the exact same struggle or in similar situations. What would for you Nicole? Did you ever imagine that you'd have to make this choice between going back into the office to work or staying home? No I hadn't anticipated in a situation in which I would have to make this choice. I I had originally when I returned to work after having my children I was working part time. And then we've gone a little bit older a year or two. I switched to fulltime work knowing that I had you kind of out. In in order I had a great daycare grade school And I had those supports in place Available for me to return to full-time work and now those supports are gone. So it's very place I had never imagined being and we're all living day by day. Many ways is that where it's most comfortable for you. Nicole in in terms of not gaming these this out to see how long this could last Yeah definitely I think I if you try to think of to belong I becomes overwhelming so I've just been trying to take it day by day and kind of enjoy those moments right now that But have with all of them. Although there's you know definitely not every moment sunshine and rainbows but You know it's You think like trying to think about you know the reality of getting back to work and how that will look like and even in September what school will look like. It becomes overwhelming thinking about all. Those things took care of yourselves. Both of you. I mean this is difficult and awkward to talk about but it's important because there are so many people in women who find themselves like yourself in this situation. Thank you both. Thank you Nicole. Brady is a nursing. A mom of three in Toronto Kelsey COLETTA's mother of two who worked most recently as a legal assistant she is in Saint John New Brunswick. Neither of them is working right now. They're at home taking care of their children. Canada has lost more than three million jobs during this pandemic according to stats can the prime minister has acknowledged the childcare is essential in getting people back to work. Armenian is IAN is an economist and the Atkinson Fellow on the future of workers. She's been listening in good morning to you. Good morning now. Do you make of what you've heard from Colin Kelsey you're hearing live and in technicolor. The catch twenty two is the recovery from the pandemic pandemic no recovery without more women returning to work and no women returning to work without childcare. I have pointed this terrible Portmanteau that I hate the sound of but it captures everything. The she cutlery no recovery without a she coverage no she covering without childcare and we just can't seem to see a clear path from here to there without More pieces falling together by magic. It seems another Portmanteau that you have coined Or at least been using logic. The she session which is female lead recession. You talked about this on this program. It seems like months ago. Just briefly. What is that well. This is the first recession globally. That has ever taken place through. The service led economy because we were shutting down all non-essential transactions to contain the contagion. And what we discovered is the jobs that are not economically. Central transactions are held by women and they are tend to be poorly paid And they tend to be Not Very protected and they tended to be. We're fearing that. They might be marginal businesses. We're hearing of a lot of places including by the way childcare centers that are maybe not GonNa make it through to the other side of covert. I can't remember whether it was Nicola. Kelsey that said we don't know how long this is going to go on for but the longer it goes on for more businesses shudder and more childcare spaces will disappear so if a kind of self perpetuating circle what is the lasting impact that this will have on the Canadian workforce and and on this country in general if women like Kelsey and coal are forced to choose whether they go out of the home to work or whether they have to stay home to take care of children. Well there's two answers to your question. Matt the first is it will roll back. Decades of gains women have made in the paid workforce but the second much more important from an economic point of view Story is that we cannot recover the economy we will be perpetually economically depressed level of activity not re reaching our potential until more at these women get back their ability to earn. Why is that because we heard yesterday from the outgoing governor of the Bank of Canada says? I don't think you know this moment that we're in is going to be particularly long. And he predicts a strong recovery WH- From his lips to the economy's ears like I. I really hope he's right but I think here's the issue we're hearing of companies that were marginal going into this Recession with their whatever their full potential of business was now facing for physical distancing purposes and because people are a bit skittish about going into either restaurants or hair salons or nail parlors. Or you know whatever they're going into less volume so that means people notwithstanding the seventy five percent wage subsidy and notwithstanding the forty thousand dollars line of credit. Just can't make it to the other side of this goes on for too long. Would you say will not be jobs for them to return to when you say that politics for entrusting we say that the that the decades of gains made in the workforce by women could be rolled? Back what are those gains that that could disappear because of this moment that we're in well it's twofold fifty percent of the employed? Basically half of the employed workforce where women so you knock out a bunch of them How do we get back? Mathematically to and you don't provide a path for them to get back in. How do we get back at the macro level our GDP will be sufficiently lowered and it? It will stay that way if women don't get back in Because women are now an integral part of the purchasing power of household and household fuel fifty seven percent of GDP so with household spending cobbled. Because there's less income coming in the whole economy slows down. There's just less purchasing power in the economy and what that means when women stay at home is what we've seen the mommy effect even an incredibly Progressive and Equality focused a jurisdiction like Denmark. Once you have a kid your kid is actually defining feature where your lifetime? Trajectory of earnings goes for the man for the woman Even inequality Driven nations and when women are the longer women are out of the labor force the more that trajectory falls for the course of their life. And so is this. Is this a real problem for women themselves but also household is this then the opportunity? We've governments have talked about this. It seems like for for for generations for a national childcare strategy. Well women have talked about for generations. Governments haven't governments perhaps have mused about it but but haven't really moved on it. Well that's the point. Isn't it right like we're coming up on the fiftieth anniversary of the report on the Royal Commission of the Status of women? We've been talking about this for half. A century about how high-quality childcare is an essential feature for women to have children to be able to reach their full potential in the economy and half those children themselves reach their full potential. You know with falling fertility rates. We've gotTA make sure. Every single child is learning ready when they get to school so that they too can reach their potential. And yet we're just kind of leading up to the market to decide what are the user fees where the facilities we need a plan for very low cost or free early learning and childcare That is not driven by the profit motive that is available for all people that need it just like we saw in Ontario This story that I heard I think from Nicole that though the province of Ontario offered free child round the clock for essential workers but there were eight hundred applications for one hundred twenty spots. Shows you sight line on what's going on? This is market failure. We need to fix it so in the last minute that we have. Do you have any indication as billions of dollars? Go at the door. The government tries to assist those who are being hurt by this pandemic. Do you have any indication that governments are taking these concerns seriously? I think they're hearing it but how they respond to it. That is the chapter that is yet unwritten in this pandemic and the response to it. How we come out. The other side could categorically change the way we function because we have had our the veil lifted on what is the essential economy and what the essential economy is propped up by the carrying economy. You can't do it without high quality care so that you you're not worried about are your kids going to get sick at school or is your parent going to die. Because they're not fed in the long term care facility we need good quality publicly funded services For the people that are too old too young and too sick to work so that the rest of us can get to it. We gotta get her done. Somebody said On twitter this morning this issue of childcare is this generation's Medicare story and we've got to get it on arming great to talk to you as always thank you. Thank you I mean on. These is and economists and the Atkinson Fellow on the future of workers would love to hear from you on this. Are you in the position that Nicole and Kelsey find themselves in where you need to choose between whether you leave home to go to work or you stay home and take care of the kids in the midst of this pandemic you can reach us through the website? Cbc DOT CA slash the current. Click on the contact link. You can tweet us at the current. Cbc or email us the current at CBC CA the ABC News is next. And then we're going to talk about the food chain and what happens when it comes to changing and particular meat processing the beginning of that food chain here from farmers and more. I'm Matt Galloway. This is the current on. Cbc Radio One throughout the nineteen eighties a strange phenomenon with sweeping North America. They were in a panic and like people in a panic. They want solutions allegations of underground satanic cults torturing and terrorizing children. The thing is there were no satanic cults preying on children and nearly thirty years later the people touched by it. All are still picking up the pieces to work of fiction. This is a work of history satanic panic the latest CBC. I'm cover available now good morning. I'm Matt Galloway. You're listening to the current Still the common for football fans keeping score. It is Kobe. Cfl Zero Grey Cup weekend in Regina has been canceled. The rest of the season is in jeopardy as well. We'll speak with the rough riders fan in thirty minutes but first packing and unpacking the meat. Business ask what's important to keep everybody in business and it's been really hard on everybody in the economy and in particular the local farmers. The only way you're going to keep them in businesses if you go to places like Santa Gins and independent but yours and cheese. You know retailers and buy local buy local that is obviously important mantra for shoppers in line at Santa Gens it sells locally produced meets in Toronto. I WanNa make sure that if I'm putting money towards the meat industry that I know that it's ethically raised and that I guess the people that are selling it kind of also support the like the product that they're selling not to mention that I'm sure it tastes better. I think everybody is rushing to big box grocery stores and I've had to turn to some of the bigger places or whatever as well but where I can still try to shop at the The shops in my neighborhood so that place doesn't just kind of close up and turned into a ghost town so it's not just a local retail shops doing brisk business some small-scale farmers are also seeing a surge in demand. Take Shelly Dixon for example. She's a beef cattle farmer in eastern New Brunswick. I have a waiting list right now of people waiting for their size and quarters but even just regular customers that would maybe normally you know by a couple of items you know. They'll give me a dollar amount and ask if I can do a box with different a variety of things in it but but the demand has just been so overwhelming it. It feels kind of good that we're able to be part of that food chain and be able to supply. You know what people are looking for. I think that there will be some of those people that will go back to maybe Costco and whatnot After but I also think that will retain a good portion of the customers that we've that we've that we've had in the meantime. Bigger meat producers are having a harder time getting their product to market outbreaks of covid nineteen in meat. Plants across the country have meant shutdowns slowdowns and gaps in the supply chain. The national farmers. Union is calling for an overhaul of system saying that it's fragile. Julia Smith sits on the NFL news. Livestock Committee also president of the small-scale Meat Producers Association in British Columbia. We've reached her at her ranch outside merit BC. Julia Good Morning. Good morning that. What has this pandemic told us about the way that meat is processed and sold across the country. I think what it's really done is highlighted an opportunity for small scale meat producers for our whole industry. We've demonstrated beautifully. That big is fragile. And we've seen the vulnerabilities when you have for example ninety five percent of your meat being processed in three plants. And so what we have here is a great opportunity for consumers and small scale producers to come together to really revitalize this industry which could do so much to revitalize our economy. As a whole how do you do that? People talk about decentralizing The system what does that mean. It means more regional meat production Bright from farm to plate. As you've heard there's been a lot more interest in consumers buying direct from farmers and supporting local. But the problem is we have a serious bottleneck when it comes to processing I could easily scale my business. I had intended to scale up my business but I actually found. We had to scale back after we bought more land to scale up simply because of the the bottleneck with processing. I cannot get enough. Animals killed in cutting wrapped to meet the demand. I think for a lot of this has been revealing. We are getting a look inside part of the food chain that many of us you know. Maybe it's cognitive dissonance. Don't WanNa know about Or haven't had the opportunity to learn about so describe what a work line or assembly line looks like in a big plant like cargill. These are the big plants that as you mentioned are are you know slaughtering and packaging ninety percent of the beef and Canada? I've never set foot in a big plant like cargo. I probably have about as much knowledge as anyone else. Who's been reading the news lately? I can tell you how it differs from small-scale plant You know we are smaller scale. Plants are are managing things a little differently. They're dealing with much smaller numbers of animals. They don't have assembly line where one workers job is to take one particular cut of meat out of an animal all day long. It's a much more holistic approach to tree There's smaller numbers of workers in lar lar. There's more fat and so you have a lot more. Resilient built into dot system so if there is a recall or an outbreak and one of these small plants. It's nowhere near as big a deal to shut that down and move production into any number of other plants whereas when you have a problem a large plant. It's almost impossible to stop the dominoes from falling your own ranch. You produce mostly pork produced port here and I work with a lot of the local beef ranchers. How has your hinting at this? But how has the pandemic affected demand people Change perhaps eating habits but also changed shopping habits. Well more people are cooking at home. Now which has been great for us And I hope that a lot of them will continue to do that. Demand is through the roof. We we sold out in March three months worth of meat that we had in the freezer directly to consumers. Yeah we sell directly to consumers most of our members do and the small scale Producers Association. And so it's been good for us but the problem is we don't have a neat vending machine in our field. We can't just produce more on demand. We we need to scale up our businesses. It takes me eleven months to produce support shop and so while it's great that there's this demanded it isn't really going to make any difference for our bottom line. There's only so much product in the field. Why AREN'T THERE? More OF THE SMALLER. Abattoirs mort the smaller slaughterhouses and processing plants instead of just those gigantic factories that that we saw in the news over the last couple of weeks as the Cova break began to spread. That's just kind of the way the world has been moving Into more centralisation and greater efficiency. And you know there's certainly arguments to be made for that but as we we've seen there's there's problems with that sort of system as well so we. We lost a lot of support that we used to have four smaller scale processing. But I think we have a really unique opportunity here with cove it We have increased consumer support for these sorts of facilities. We have for federal funding. And this could really be the springboard that the industry needed to bring back more regional processing and the jobs and economic stability. That comes with them. Would it mean that meat is more expensive one of the justifications you here for those enormous factories with workers working close together? And doing those re you wrote routine jobs at all day long is that it's the word is it's more efficient. An efficiency often means that you can sell things for less than it's a lower price with this increased the price of meat if there were more smaller plants in some cases. I think people would be very surprised to find that it isn't that much more and sometimes depending on you know if you buy directly from the farmer could be less than the price you're paying the grocery stores but I think the important thing is to remember that we need to look at a true cost accounting meat production and not necessarily just the sticker price at the Grocery Store. There are hidden multipliers that need to be considered when somebody buys meat from a local producer for example dot. Money stays in your local economy When it's neat that was processed a small regional processing plant. Those are higher quality jobs. Nbc certainly butchery is a skilled trade. And so you're really helping to build your local economy and build local food security every dollar that somebody spends at my ranch recirculated in our local economy when you're buying meat that have been processed in these giant plants that are owned by offshore conglomerates the difference that the profit their leaves the country doesn't come close sustain your local economy just briefly and finally one of the things as I mentioned that this pandemic has done through. These outbreaks has pulled back the curtain. A little unsure of how meat is processed and what happens to those animals and there has been a rise not just in in this moment but people saying maybe we don't need to eat as much meat. Maybe we should be thinking more about where our food comes from right at the beginning of that food chain would you make of those conversations that people are stepping away from meet because they're learning what happens in those big processing plants. Well it's funny We've we say Recovering Vegetarians or one of our target markets. Because a lot of the reasons why people do step away can be addressed by a return to small-scale production and processing when people see how meets being raised at our local farms and ranches and processed in these smaller safer better for workers environment. A lot of people are willing to come back to meet or stick with me but there certainly is an argument to be made for. Maybe we don't need to eat as much of it and you know. Maybe if we didn't it wouldn't be as difficult to absorb small Price increase and Also put other locally grown foods on our plates like you know other proteins and fruits and vegetables. Julius great to talk to you about this I appreciate it. Good luck and thanks. Thanks Not Julia. Smith is the president of the small-scale Meat Producers Association and the owner of the Blue Sky. Ranch which is just outside. Beautiful Merritt British Columbia Bob. Low is the president of the Canadian cattlemen's association a rancher himself near Nansen Alberta many of his cattle or processed at the cargill meat packing plant. Which as we were saying with shut down for a couple of weeks after a covert outbreak it reopened at the beginning of May bog. Good morning to you when that plant shutdown. What does that do to your operations? It backs Pat Cap If we can't get the cattle process they can't leave our feedlots so they just they eat more and get bigger. And why is that a problem for a rancher like yourself? What the whole chain if if we can't sell them then we can't replace him with other cattle. The the the process comes to a stop. And there's there's a point in time when an animal begins to cost more you know it gets too big to can't literally can't hang them on the rails so then then they become greatly devalued. Were hearing these stories of pig. Farmers having to call their own animals because they can't send them off to slaughter. That's is that the case with cattles. Well no longer a longer life. I guess we can put them on a rash and then just let them sit there for for a long time. If you keep feeding them you know high energy rations sooner or later that causes health issues but you can change rations and slow them down. What does that mean in terms the bottom line for for a rancher like yourself I mean. Farming is often a knife edge at the best of times. Oh and in a case like this it means an example is we sold some of these really heavy cattle and we got six hundred dollars ahead less than the later cattle that we were selling this week and then they weighed three hundred pounds more so you can do the math. Julia talks about how the system that it exists. Right now is is a fragile. One that it's too centralized. Is that of you that you share it is fragile? We've created a a really efficient farm to farm to food or farm to plate system in Canada. Well globally which includes these these big processors not only beef but in everything Colbert is shown us where the where the weak link is and I know to. To these packers credit they have spent millions strengthening. That part of the link you know in another in another episode of this. I don't think you'd see anywhere near the same damage. Nobody expected a covert thing. But what is the best fixing it? What's the benefit of having those enormous Processing plants cheaper food to the customer. Is that what it is just deficiencies of it? You know we not only supply Canadians. We also have Bath requirements around the world. Do we have to you know? Commitments around the world that we have to supply and and a country like Japan. They don't want to have to deal with thirty different little processors if they want and they can't the smaller processors and there's a there's a big need for him and it was proven by covert but they can't supply the amount of volume that we would need to meet a market like Japan. Is You have workers at those plants. We've heard from some of them who say they don't feel safe because they told they have to work their essential service and there. Because you're trying to be as efficient as possible. They're working really close together. Have concerns about about the workers in those plants in that larger issue of efficiency. Of course yeah and I think now like it's a it's a totally different inside those plants now than it was two months ago and I think the workers are coming to accept that and and getting more confident we can see this in the build up of of the number of head to go through the plant every day. There's and that's just because more workers are coming back to work. They're getting healthy. They're getting comfortable with the fact that the the safety stuff put into the plants by the by cargo. Jd Esser and harmony are are actually working. Julia says that one of the ways to ensure that system isn't as fragile as it is right. Now is to create more smaller and medium-sized plans to operate to break up. That big monopoly. run by corporations with billion dollar profit lines and figure out a way to go. Smaller is that is that the answer. Here it's a combination we need. I mean it's shown that we need more call it surge capacity. I don't know you know we don't need markelle passed on a daily basis when everything's going fine but we need more search capacity and that. I believe would come from smaller plants but but you know in this world anybody producing protein and however it gets to. The plate is going to be a good thing. We need the whole system. We can't just. We can't just go away. From these big plants and expect to meet our commitments domestically global. What do you think the price we talked about this with Julia? Do you think that the price would go up enough? That consumers would be concerned about that price increase. If you went smaller arm sure of it. You know when I try and sell hamburger off our farm. I can't sell it for less than four fifty five dollars a pound but in normal times when you go to the grocery stores you know. I see hamburger. There are two dollars a pound sometimes. And despite the fact that money's going straight into your pocket you believe that people would rather just pay less because it's less. I think yeah I think most I think that's almost people shop is by their wallet and then there's nothing wrong. I mean I buy most of my stakes from Costco. Actually it's sterling AAA sterling beef from out of the Cargo Plan. And it's every bit as good as any beef. I've had anywhere Bob get to talk to you about this appreciate it. Thanks thank you. Pablo is the president of the Canadian cattlemen's association he was in Just outside of Nansen Alberta Ellen Goddard has been listening she's an agricultural economist at the University of Alberta Ellen. Good morning to you. What do you make of what you what you've heard Particularly you take a look at the size of these plants. They they were declared an essential service. Early on was the right decision. In the midst of this pandemic I think it was absolutely essential that they be declared essential services. If you don't mind copying of the word however I wonder if we paid enough attention to the actual operation of the plant to be as proactive as we needed to be I will say though that all the plants put things into place. People gave their workers raises to encourage them to keep coming to work. I wouldn't say the industry was Behind but maybe this is also new and we didn't know what was going to happen so we just couldn't be as proactive about stopping people from getting sick when for many of us the whole business of getting sick seemed a little Abstract at the beginning this is as I was saying to. Julia offered a bit of a look inside a part of the food chain that many Canadians. I think don't typically see. Maybe they don't want to see what has what happened in. This pandemic taught us about how beef and other meat makes its way from the farm to the table. Well there's always been Issues around meat-packing. I don't know if you know about it. But Upton Sinclair wrote a book about Meat Processing in the United States in nineteen o. Six and some of the same issues were raised. Then we certainly had the same issues in the E coli outbreak in two thousand twelve in Canada. So yeah there is. There is something that people don't think about on a daily basis but when something comes up and things get interrupted in their patterns get change than they become aware in their slightly quizzical about. Why is it that way? Why isn't it some other way? How is it that meat processing became so big centralized? Where you have. These handful of plants that process deal overwhelming amount of meet. The people eat in this country. Well you know. It's quite interesting because I was looking at the statistics in Europe and Brazil and Even Australia to a certain extent but Feedlots are very very efficient in terms of Finishing cattle in Canada and the United States and once you have feedlots in a certain area. Then you're going to have bigger plants in that area if you have much more grassland as they do in Brazil then they actually have a much more decentralized meat processing industry which is not to say that they're not having problems. Implants aren't closing but as a has been pointed out by your previous speakers when a big pimp plant closes it can have longer tentacles into the economy into the retail grocery and things And certainly for farmers so there are pros and cons but to a certain extent it's got to do with our land base in our The way we raise cattle and how efficiently we have created a system where cavalier originally raised on grassland but move into feedlots for finishing in that means the slaughter plants can be more closely located to the feedlots as a result get bigger is advisable as Julia was suggesting to establish more medium size or smaller size meat processors Certainly and certainly there's the demand and I can see All sorts of Reasons. Why consumers are much more interested in local food and contacting farmers at this particular time. Also remember that when people get sick in meat packing plants in this becomes an obvious to the public and a reason for plants closing them. There starts to be a concern about food safety. I don't think the statistic that forty meat inspectors got sick Actually helped people's concerns about that so then you WANNA get local. You WanNa buy from farmers. I and I totally support that and I shop at farmers markets as well as at grocery stores so but do mostly in both do most Canadians Bob talked about price and that people will be governed in many ways by the wallet. So we'll most Canadians. That is absolutely true. Remember right now. You've got a bunch of people relatively lockdown at home. Who have a bit of time? Who ARE INTERESTED IN COOKING Because we have no restaurants really although they're starting to open again now and so I think people are a little bit more focused on food right now than they would normally be. How many of them are going to remain looking out? These local food supply options when everybody in the house is back at work. It's or school if that ever happens and again our lives. Get Busier and restaurants become more available again? I'm not sure and price is always one of the biggest drivers amazingly in Canada. Although we spend eight or nine percent of our disposable income on food if you ask people what their biggest concerns are about food it will be price safety and nutrition. What about we have the highest quality food supply and pretty well the cheapest food supply in the world and there you are and we just have a couple of seconds left? I thought it was interesting. The Julia who is farmer so that one of the things that could come out as maybe we think about eating less meat. Do you think that's a possibility? I definitely think so. There was already a bit of a trend In that way does mean. We're going to stop eating meat now. I I don't see that coming for the majority of Canadians especially since they've been raised eating meat but I do think that there will be more options. I think most people nowadays have meatless meals more than once or twice a week and I think the plant based products are also getting cheaper so people are find novelty and innovation and chance to try something different with those products so I I see a mix of things happening ellen. It's great to speak with you about this. Thanks thank you Helen. Goddard is an agricultural economist at the University of Alberta your thoughts on this welcome. You can reach us through the website. Cbc DOT CA slash. The current has what we're going through now In particularly what happened in the food chain in those meat processing plants? Got You thinking differently about the meat that you eat or maybe the meat you don't eat you can let us know. Cbc DOT CA slash the current coming up in our next half hour. Are you ready for some football folks? In Saskatchewan certainly are home to the Scotsman. Rough Riders Regina was going to host. The grey. Cup doesn't seem like that's going to happen. What is the story around the overall health of the NFL? We will find out coming up in about ninety seconds time. I'm at Galloway. This is the current on. Cbc Radio One. Stay with us Hi I'm Matt Galloway. You're listening to the current winter. Listen to those crowds happier football days. That's what it sounded like in two thousand thirteen when the you and rough. Riders won the Grey Cup on home. Soil there are hoping to repeat the feat this year. The Twenty Twenty Grey Cup game was scheduled to be held in Regina and the emphasis certainly is on was the entire CFL season. This year remains uncertain it proceeds and that's a big if Grey Cup will be hosted by the finalist with the best regular season record. Regina will host the twenty twenty two event potentially losing the Grey Cup. This year hurts and the province where it said that fans like Caitlin Thompson Bleed Green Caitlyn. Good Morning Hi how are you? I'm great thanks. What does it mean to Bleed Green You know it's being a writer fan. It's just kind of part of who you are. It's it's something that just doesn't go away and it it kind of it really hurts to think about not having a potential season this year. And you know it's kind of the lifeblood of statue and it kind of just you know all right. Our nation across Canada is is all together. And it's just we all bleed being guess growing up with the team around you. What are the t mean to your family when you were young? I I grew up in a Ryder family. So the season tickets that we have now Are the seats? That my grandma and GRANDPA and sitting in since the fifties We move stadiums but they just kind of took our little section and plummeted over so we got the same people around US got. Everything's Kinda the same so we've got really good seats behind the bench and I grew up since I was two years old. We were from current so we drive in. It's a two and a half hour drive to the stadium and we would go in with our family and pick up my grandma and GRANDPA and meet them there. And it's just kind of a lifelong thing and now I take my kids in and we go with my dad and my husband and my sister-in-law joins us now so it's kind of a whole family affair I guess. How do you get ready? I mean part of it is going but you got to. You have to be prepared. You need to the ready for the game but also the tailgate. Before how do you prepare? Well half the drive in me at two and a half hours together. And everyone's got their jerseys on and you know the number one highway here isn't too busy. So you're passing vehicle. They're passing you. See everyone else with the rider jerseys on and You know I usually say facing for like the playoffs or Grey Cup. So I don't I don't get that into it for regular season but it's always a good time and they have nice party in the park outside the new stadium and it's a really beautiful venue in the energy and there's just kind of unparalleled twenty thirteen. I was I. I often say to people that was the best day of my life at the Writers One Grey Cup and I was there. I was there with my eighty six year old grandma and my father and my husband and my sister-in-law and people always say well what about when your kids were born and much more important day but you know what you can't manifest your home team winning a home Grey Cup. You don't have any control over that so it was pretty much a lifelong dream of mine and it actually came true so it was. It's something I'll never forget so in this moment. I mean were. There are so many different things that have changed over the course of the pandemic and some of them are really serious. People losing jobs and people's you know livelihoods being affected people losing their life as well but there are smaller things. It means a lot to people's lives as well. How did you react when you heard that the Grey Cup may not might still be possible but may not be held in Regina this year? Well Yeah I mean at this point. Obviously I wasn't surprised but it does feel devastating to here and like you said health and safety is the most important then. I realized that on the big scale. It's just football but it does feel like a huge loss I think our team was looking really good to have a potential tends to be there this year even if it does go forward it won't be the same so it it felt like a huge loss to everybody for sure so big hit to the province as well. What is it like to try? You're driving in? I don't know whether you stay or not. But what is it like to get a hotel room We'd actually so we'd gotten her. Drake had twenty twenty tickets and we soon after tried to get a hotel room and there wasn't a single and available everything sold out so you can see right there. How big the impact. The Grey Cup has on Oliver. Jonah so I know even Moose dots about forty five minutes away and some people are booking hotels there because then you could at least stay a little bit closer. So yeah you know the impact on you know being there for the twenty thousand thirteen Grey Cup and seeing The restaurants and the hotels and shops and everything was just. It was so fun to be there and everyone's and rider gear and everyone's excited and you can see how how big of an impact it would have on the city. What about this idea of playing games with no fans in the stands? What do you think that would be like? You know. I have some thoughts on that I think it would be really weird for the players more. Maybe more than the the home viewers but I think it would be a really strange would be hard for the energy level to be what it is because I really think that the football club has a huge impact on the game and so it just strikes me as seeming really unnatural. But you know I I won't say no I I will take some football over no football. What about no football? I mean the CFL is asking for one hundred and fifty million dollars and support from the federal government. There are real concerns that this Lee. And it's certainly not in in Saskatchewan where fans like yourself. are there In the best weather and the absolute worst weather but elsewhere in the country the league is kind of on shaky ground. Do you worry that this could put a nail into the coffin of the CFL? Worry about that. Yeah I think I try to remain optimistic but you know like you said. The writers are in a better financial position. And we haven't always been you know. Our team was saved by a telephone in the nineties So I understand the precariousness of a franchise not being able to support itself and Yeah. It does scare me to me. I was saying yesterday. in high school is asked to do a speech proud to be. Canadian and I picked the CFL. I think it's a beautiful league. I think it's quite unique and I think it's a really big part of our culture. A lot of people don't know that the NFL is so much older like this. One hundred th Grey Cup. You know it's it's a it's a long standing league and I think it would be really A huge loss to the country and scheduled and obviously speak for specifically. If we didn't have when going forward just before I let you go. What will your family do in the absence of football? This summer we wear. We're the jerseys and play flag football or something like that in the backyard. What are you GonNa do just to get in the mood Maybe we will. Yeah we were supposed to be in Palo Fax to watch the riders. Play the first The first regular season game in Halifax and see our canceling that trip. So yeah maybe we will. We'll we'll play some. Football Eight is great to talk to you and I hope if the the season actually unfolds in whatever way it is that the writers do great. Thank you so much Caitlin Thompson Scotch. When rough riders season ticket holder? She was in swift current this morning. She might not be hearing much if any of this music this year. So we thought we'd spend this for you for rough riders fans and their frater nation across the country. This is the C. K. R. M's Scotch in rough rider pep band. This is the current on. Cbc Radio on my name's Matt Galloway Everyone. Welcome to the Cincinnati's deal. My name is Jenna. I'm a keeper in the Africa Department and we are here to cope with. Bbn Fiona not to worry about that. We're so here. It actually gives us a little bit more time to spoil them and give them more love. Allah can focus just on the animals to worry about them ever since the Cincinnati Zoo close to the public. They have been letting people in through facebook live home safari shows and the first one featured famous Hippos Fiona. Mvp We probably have a lot of questions coming in. Hopefully you're learning as we go and I'm answering some of those questions we wanted to mention that higgins we a lot of food you can see them getting. Romaine lettuce right now they also get squashed cucumber Timothy. Hey understanding on the edge of the enclosure throwing lettuce and then chunks of cantaloupe into their open. Mouths be listened carefully you can hear them chewing it up. This is an educational video. In fact I learned that all that food means hippos produce about ten kilograms of waste every day Good to know God. Lots of questions about does Fiona really like people. People seems like she really has a good connection. Yeah there's no doubt in my mind so obviously there is food here right now but if there wasn't food and we were up here on a would definitely come say hi to us. She loves people. She don't have to know you to love you but she does have favorites is a little less social. You're wondering she doesn't like to come like a dog when her name is called. Like Fiona does is just one way that facebook live session? The zoos have been trying to reach out during this pandemic here in Canada. Zoos don't have to be just online anymore tomorrow. The Calgary Zoo is offering timed tickets. Visitors can follow a one way self guided tour only outside. The Toronto Zoo has come up with a different plan that involves less walking. Dolf Diong is the CEO of the Toronto Zoo. Talk Good Morning Good Morning. How will people be able to visit the Toronto Zoo starting tomorrow? Well Matt? This'll be a whole new experience for folks is they actually will drive right up to our front entry. Way And that plaza where traditionally they purchase their tickets. They drive through gate Passer Carousel and actually navigate are walking trails or service roads and the existing Zuma beal routes literally take a safari around the world in our Toronto Zoo. A drive through safari. Told me of how this is going to unfold. So the first step is folks will go online and purchase their tickets there. It's timed entry as well and then they actually have. These stops along the way where animals will be waiting if you will Starting with our Indian rhinos peacocks and then working into our African Savannah where the Zebras Cheetahs and lions reside And then heading into the Americas with our flamingos and beyond finishing off in Australasia. With our wall sources and and the animals that call that area home so giving people this really unique view That again for forty five years. We've not operated this way. What is lifelike at the zoo? These days with all of us. There gawking at the animals. You know what it's a really challenging time for for our team know our mission connecting people animals and conservation science to fight extinction. It's tough to do that without people So literally you know. Ten thousand plus people on a given Weekend Day we've lost March break. We lost the Easter weekend So we're really excited about getting guests back indoors. Zoo and connecting them to the work we do so We have this drive through tour as well as an audio guide that talks about natural history these animals as well as the conservation work that goes on right at their zoo is important to get people there in part because of a financial burden as well. What is this cost you in terms of people not being able to come into the zoo? Well you when you actually look at the the weeks in the past few months Anywhere between four hundred thousand dollars in revenue week that would traditionally come in through a mix of programs admissions retail Food Services So yeah significant. Debt is is starting to be encouraged. So he you're losing four hundred thousand dollars a week. So that's that's what we traditionally would have brought in revenue matt through a ticket sales. How long can Zou go on? If it's not it's not making that kind of money. Well in this case we're grateful to have the drive through coming online to start setting that loss and like everyone else. We're really eager to get to the phase two opening to start zooming something that will resemble traditional business model. We all know what's going to look different But again finding these first steps to get people in safely and understanding our role flattening the curve and again grateful for our support from the city of Toronto at Hell in this time. What is that going to look like when you get the go-ahead to open your doors on somebody driving through in the car? What is life you can look like? So we're really going to be looking to the medical officers of health first and foremost But much like you've seen in Calgary where we might look at routes as far as one way traffic not necessarily having a buildings open because you have a lot of physical contact points. And how DO WE START GETTING PEOPLE? Outside we know the pandemic. It's been really challenging for folks particular urban folks who might be cooped up in smaller spaces they WANNA get outdoors. They want to reconnect with animals and nature. And and we wanna find some ways to do that. And we've chosen to drive through his starting white because we really like what that lets us. Do as far as social distancing and making sure you know we're not going to potentially be a vector for transmission. But you'd have to do time tickets. I suppose one of the things you go to the zoo and people crowd around to see you have a new baby giraffe for example long legs. People WanNa go and see baby long legs in there. The crowd around that giraffe enclosure. That won't be possible in future. Would it no you know? We're we're hoping a baby. Long legs will actually be outdoors in the next month or so and perhaps votes will get a glimpse of her at the drive through in the meantime It'll it'll only be Keiko the mail the father who hopefully will be outside and a at the back to the paddock potentially But yeah that type of experience presents a lot of challenges because people are excited they wanna get close and they WANNA see This animal for themselves so it'll be quite some time before we're able to actually open that up at any at any level to really get a volume of people can just ask you quickly but baby long legs. This is important. Her birth food for the draft species. Yes you know this is. This is one of our real challenge. Is You know this? This species Messiah Draft. Twenty five to thirty five thousand one left on the planet so to have this. When born in human care is important as far as that genetic lineage but also raising awareness of what's going on a covert nineteen is really had a big impact on a lot of accredited zoos who also Raise money for conservation initiatives. That are abroad. And we've heard about Increased cases of Rhino poaching. And a lot of these places where You know we're fortunate enough to share some of our resources and send Money abroad I really feeling covert as well and we need to get people back and make sure we're doing everything we can to have these animals here but ultimately we want those animals out there and we want them thrive. Do you think the animals miss us. You know what that's a case by case basis Some species yes some individuals. Yes some species. No some individuals no It's highly variable and It's been interesting walking around the zoo. the animals. That will run right up to gibbons in particular. Come to mind. They really are excited to see folks Other animals that really seem quite quite indifferent. Were there or not. It must be really strange walking through a massive zoo like the Toronto Zoo with no people around. It's it's really Really challenging to get used to you know I think back to our birthday. Last year we had nineteen thousand. People visit our zoo and one day and then to go through and we're just are key operational staff of the Animal Care or folks working on H. Back in a horticulture teams and Yeah we really are excited about getting guests back in and sharing what we do. That's that's the key Part of why we're here and to not have the guests around is really really strange. Dolf good to speak with you. Thank you thank you for your time. Dolf too young is the CEO of the Toronto Zoo. It's hard to know. Exactly what our animal friends make of this new way of life? Those who study animals in zoos though have some ideas ellen. Williams is a lecturer in animal science at Nottingham Trent University Allen. Good morning to you not going. What do you make of this idea of drive through safari as a way to get people back into the zoo after listening? I think it's I think it's a really good idea. I'd say Zoos desperate As as they were just saying Desperate people come back and really need people back into to be able to keep a flight. Basically I'm instead because the animals like have need And I think is a really really idea is a great way of kind of getting a bit of revenue while maintaining the social distancing and keeping people safe as well. What do we know about how animals are doing in these empty? Zoos what are they experiencing? You know it's hard to say I myself didn't working as you so it's just looking at reports from from the from the Z's themselves from the keep is And as just said I think it's real there seems to be at least it's kind of real mixed between some people reporting Animals kind of looking out for the people and primates and stuff in particular seem to be kind of Cornyn out for Qisas want attention And then we've got the species Like the As I mentioned to Moscow the The Eagles the garden meals in Japan. Who was sort of Kind of just not used to seeing people anymore. And so the open like Oh. Gosh you know what's going on wh these figures I'm not entirely indifferent. Just exploring their enclosures and they would have people with ever anyway. What are they doing with the eels to climb to to make more used to seeing people? Yes there are actually Doing a video Kohl's with people was this Japanese aquarium a appealing for people to to call in and They do I don't think they can see the people but they can hear them so it's just to get them used to kind of voices and stuff and be aware of of of people around. She has like a facetime call with an EEL. Okay what about the primates? What are they doing because we've heard stories again? About how their social animals how they're doing with the did the disappearance of their audience. Yeah so again. I'm not a not entirely sure because haven't seen in myself But report seem to be that that just sort of seeking a little bit more attention from the Kiefer's and I'm looking for that kind of the opus relation. That way. You see these videos of the Kansas City Zoo. They went all over the Internet of the penguins that are wandering around the halls and the Museum of art. Because they're missing visits during the loctite. What do you make of that? They're very cute to watch. But what do you make them? I'm in you know if it keeps the penguins entertained. Then it's it's not really doing It's not doing anybody any hall And this thing. Similar things with Just penguins An aquarium where they took him for a walk around the places well It's yes it's it's a nice idea you know as long as the penguins are having a great time then not necessarily you could imagine that there are people who are listening in. They're saying sure. Wild animals are missing. Humans Gawking at them. Do you worry that people are transferring too much of their own feelings onto. Yeah I mean I think we never really truly know what anonymous thinking so we sort of us what we know about behavior and things like that to to to get a bit of aggressive of what the animal might be experiencing and of course. We're not inside the heads I suppose the only thing is that Kiefer's not really ready well. They spent a lifetime working with them and they put off carrying a lot of time into into you know catering for them and and so I think you know the reports are coming from them and you know that the people that really know so you know I think sometimes we do we do things but there's also there's a lot going in two days reports. There are some animals that have had babies in the zoo. We think of. We're just talking about the draft. The Messiah would be long. Legs was babies would have never experienced large crowds and when the crowds arrive. People are going to flock around that area to see the baby giraffe. How should a zoo? Gobert introducing them to people wants to open up. Yeah so that's a good question I I guess to some extent something that animals deal with generally because went on a multiple in the zoo that tend to be kept away from the public for a little while anyway and then. They're then they're really you know these are GonNa do what they've always done. I think from a republic point of view ready. We need to be thinking about the fact that these animals if the public before and actually favored born in stock this down. That's maybe seven weeks ago now says had quite long periods without people. So just be a little bit conscious you know. People need to be conscious of what battering you know and and not particularly flocking. I mean obviously we need to be socially distancing anyway who say just giving that you know being a bit quieter. I'm just seeing a little bit. Calm would really be helpful for the. You can imagine as well that there are conversations. They've existed long before this pandemic but perhaps amplified in this moment around the future of zoos and whether they should continue in this form the you know the the financial threat might be a good thing and that the the zoos aren't going to be there anymore. Should there be a larger conversation around the future of zoos? The there's GonNa be conversations especially it's important to note really that these are always kind of double was using the latest research never. Was You know making sure that providing for them on the most in the best way possible say you know that these do a good job you know they? They raise a lot manet. They do a lot of things outside of you know entertaining the public. They raise awareness is also. I think it's definitely a space disease. I think it's just really important that we make sure that we kind of manage people wish these are going to do that. We WE MANAGE. People appropriately and people punish themselves appropriately. When I sent off Ellen could to speak with you thanks thanks. Very much met Ellen. Williams is a lecturer in animal science at Nottingham Trent University. That is your show for today. 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How I've Achieved My Fashion/Sneaker Design Dream, And Became A Lace Up Finalist?! | Nester Phan | The Hustleman Show - Episode 7

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How I've Achieved My Fashion/Sneaker Design Dream, And Became A Lace Up Finalist?! | Nester Phan | The Hustleman Show - Episode 7

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Show so if you've been if you watch some of our previous episodes you've seen that we've had a lot of different kinds of people on here. We have people that are business. Owners people that are starting their music careers. We've just had a very wide array of people that are really you know they're trying to make it. And whatever craft have the next guest is no stranger to trying to make it. I got a very very very interesting story for you guys. I'd like to welcome this semester. The man fan so the show. That's home army pow you. I'm good thank you so much for inviting me and thank you for your team absolutely. We're happy i'm happy to have you. So i've known i've known you for for a little while right for a couple years. Yeah and i. I came to know you through a mutual experience that you had and i had through watching. So if you guys don't recognize nester. Nestor was on a show a few years back a youtube special called lace up okay. So it's very very. It was a very interesting show and it really captivated my attention. This is this is like what i would like into like the real world of sneaker design that is a fair em tv show the real world. It's like a real world sneakers. Abbott getting drunk and all that little getting drunk and getting crazy honestly. I don't really watch a show on wall. Okay so you're not a little busy for for your life i gotcha. I'm not busy enough. So i called the real world episodes a couple of times before and what i what i what i noticed was that it was very very very similar setup so they take like this group of people. They put them in a house. Together this is like the the narrative of the show lace up. They take a group of people together. They put them in a house together. Right and in your case and shows case you guys were all trying to be. You're trying to break your careers in sneaker design right is that that was the idea of the show right. I i think because like it depends on the the The designer that whoever Attended to that show. They watch the goal. You know My goal is. I wanted to prove this to my parents. My families that they always really really harsh on me. You know since very young age the always like okay. You know asian. We only needs to like when we immigrants from like the other country. Vietnam from me like come to america you own way looking for like you know asian only looking for like to be a doctor a lawyers but And i'm not really into that. I was really focused on like since a young age at eight years ago already know like archer put fabric right Money might entire years and then set up go to the fabric garment district you buy fabric and to straight detailer. we just. I'm just telling them like. Hey can you put this designed to gather together and create or regional clothing. So i always was always enjoy design. I and i know. I have the creative mind. But i don't know how to like expand like explored it until. I come to america so i have more opportunity to do it. So when when you when you came when you came to america that the idea was your family brought you over your mom brought you over. Your father brought you over. How did you get here. Tell me a little bit more about that but before you do that i just want to expel. Hold on one side before you do that. I want to explain that that part of the story that that means you got to know each other right so because of that show. I reached out to him. And i said listen. I felt like his creative ability on that show was like very very very very extraordinary relative to the people around him so i reached out to him and we literally met up with the guy. And that's hard friendship started right so let's take it a little little bit further back right. How do you get to america you know. Tell me a little bit more about how you actually got here so berry. Beginning of beginning of the story winner was signed to swan when on north vietnam over south vietnam doing time. A lot of vietnamese. They they've lead to other country to fi- The freedom the land of freedom america no right but however a lot of people stop in the south vietnam But still trying to fleas after nineteen seventy five so my mom before that my dad came to thailand in a un camp we were stocked there. My family have my family was stuck in there My dad stop in a un camp. My mom miss miss. My dad saw much anna. She gave birth to me like when it was one and she was i. I miss your dad so much have to go so she bazeley Fleet doing dot com is very dangerous. You fleet Outside like you to run away from communist. that's out because the south vietnam already is all. Were like unity. Between the north and the south is done but What is the military still charting around the see. You know because they know people still going to flee their way from the south vietnam so they wanna leave My my my mom. Carry me like swimming in doc. See liquidity anyone in front of you until he actually rich to the ball and then when she we got into the boat and i was. I very hungry were crying. He told me the story. Because i worked one. Obviously i'm not gonna know odd story on. She was like okay. We stopped in the islands this islands. The people would just bury alive as crazy like we cost above those bowl like just bury a lot and then we will. Finally we met Into like met my dad and my dad create another child when my youngest broader and then into like but we couldn't Somehow the documentary missing some documents push back to vietnam and then we may not if we fire a new one into two thousand and four. We finally got into this great country. So you're you're you're one years old when this happens when you leave vietnam like your one years old. Yeah so you're one years old. And then you go from south vietnam high on to thailand. Gotcha guys left to thailand and your mom literally carried over the oversee like on a boat. Yeah yes swim. You have to swim too because you have the boat not gonna come to closer to the land. You know the the they'll shoot it down the middle of already you should you. If you'd see you right there so you gotta you gotta do what you gotta do To find freedom to survive so so you got to survive so you guys go from from vietnam. Your parents decide to leave. Because they're just they're not they're not. They're not happy with the current situation in vietnam. There was a war between north vietnam and south vietnam and then that war ended and then there was a unified vietnam and they decided to leave because they just weren't there was not enough freedom. There was not enough opportunity for them so they leave your one years old. Your mom is carrying a one-year-old trying to cross the sea into thailand into thailand. That's that's the same one of the islands. We got into one of the islands They have The the guidon the took you to like cost through the forest lewd forest which is passed this swan and we just. We just passed through that the the guy the logo guys you say a lot of people just got burned alive. That's crazy. it just cost. I didn't know about this story Why did they get. Why did they get buried alive. exactly what. What was the issue exactly. I don't know i. I don't know she told me like When they caught you The communist so sure gotcha so like our against them or after the war. You know the louis ballooner limited. I understand i understand. I understand so the the the nor took over the south and then when they took over the south whoever was not friendly to that situation he had to leave or they had a short life. Put it that way. It has a short life ended up. Are they going to go back to the concentration camp to be educated about the communist gum. She doing not just vietnam dough those a lot a lot of places. I'm aware i'm aware that wasn't a lot. That happened in a lot of places. So you guys go from vietnam and then you go to thailand right. Yeah we stayed there for two years. Anti dan somehow the documentary. Yup we missing some documents and We have to go back. But but that time They say you have to go back. We're gonna we're gonna help guy when you got back to your country so basically like trust the un with which the u. n. The united the us government the united nations in thailand. Told you go back to your country. And then they would help you out to get the proper documents to leave correctly. Gotcha yeah that's very very interesting. So in two thousand four and two thousand four finally here in new york. Yeah how old were you. I never forgot. I pop lease eighteen when you finally teen and finally here. Yeah wow yes so. It took a very long time. I think eighteen seventeen man. That's a very very long fifteen even fifteen or sixteen. I don't remember about that but even if it's fifteen years that's a long i'd like it didn't happen overnight between the time that you went back to vietnam until the time that you came here. It's over a decade. It's over ten years. Yeah so in that. In that time frame the the goal for your family was. We gotta get outta here the whole time. No the gore. My dad was just okay We like as a parent. I they told me that they want to sacrifice and that life or our future in my family we have four kids. You know we still young and we have a better future. We got into america. So that's why we come to america full Bad is not what my parents expected. Expect it. They want us to become a successful like lawyers data different idea. How asian you know you know how. Asian is like moss the parent asian Aaron this must must lightning like that but my mom is just told me. Hey union you you. You just do whatever you want yet. So at this point she understand after that. It's not just asian. It's there's a lot a lot of people share that same idea. You know my families from the middle east so there's very similar perspectives. I have people from friends. From all over the world. And i hear very similar story when when people migrated this country and they sacrifice so much they just expect their kids to go into the same process as they normally would back home or what. They thought they would do right. So you get here. And you're about fifteen years old you. You spent a large portion of your life and vietnam right you you come here and do you have an idea in your mind that you want to go into design or what do you like. What do you do when you get here you want to. And what are you like fifteen years old sixteen years old. Do you have any idea what you wanna do with your life. Well i have no idea what i wanna do but i i know in fact that i know I like fashion design so only into that But most i think. I would rather to be free than just like somebody to control me when a work you know. I got used to ideas of like the freedom to express yourself that is more more like for fashion people. They we injured that more than likely. Yes according to thing about fudges the money that you the salary that you can make but most people. I just feel like the more like you are fully express yourself if you want fully express yourself the only thing that you need to do if you work for yourself. I understand so you know your parents come here. And you're fifteen years old. Where do you subtle like. where do you go. You go straight the florida. You come to new york. Where do you go exactly so my parents would stay here for a couple of years in new york road because my uncle my uncle was live. Live here in new york for like they. Case dot com auto. We settled here just for a week next week. My mom already start working just like you know. Some people are just come here. This chiro like for a month you know but b we basically come here would not think we don't have anything the only thing that we carry a lot of. Thank it because we know. New york's really call. We bought him a very thick thick blankets of our Our country and is carried off away. Here that's pretty much. We don't really have anything. We basically we come here just band. We don't have money cash in hand. We just a couple of hundred bomb my relatives in the state standards for us and We i i remember With here i think on on tuesday or wednesday. My mom already start working the next monday crazy crazy. So your your your parents get get here. Your mom works almost immediately right. She works almost immediately like next day. Like a few days later. She's already found a job. How many how many family members you guys are to get like. Did you guys come with your mom. Your dad your brother. Your brothers like you. Have you have three brothers or do you have any sisters as well now i. We don't have sister. Oh brother only tonight. I have three brothers. Yeah entire family here so you guys came here. Got you guys came together. Yeah gotcha okay. Your mom finds a job. And then what's what's the next few years. Look like for you before you decide. You want to go into design. And then i guess you apply for pence. You apply for the show. Tell me about the next couple of years. And then we'll give you the idea to go try to go to the show in order to follow your dream as a designer talk that talk a little bit more about that. So so doing time in high school and Newest like hey. But i i still want to allow like desire and nice clothes you wear i just say hey but i need to make some money right. I haven't i don't speak. I speak zero english when it came here. I only know how to say. Hi no yes. I don't know what to say. I i the the wars Stan high school for like all year doing the summer job through my Ongo rigged asian I work in the chinese chinese Gift shop you know on a tourist shop light. Big key keychains or stuff like that for tourists with. Where was that was. That was that on broadway. Chinatown though dinatale in manhattan new york. So your uncle had a gift shop. You worked for him for a little while. Yeah my uncle friends Yeah and worked. There was just like we weren't ni- our ship would pay only twenty five bucks sometimes like but we have to sit outside. you know. Some new york is so humid. So damn hot okay cool. I've just working for the summer. But there's a one time that doing tom. That's a at ups guy. They was so hot and they Delivery somewhat the package through the store and it Dot guy told me like you see you need to get a better education. We need to work better. You can sit in office with the air conditioner not sitting like this sohar out here man. any just click me Just clicked me right away. Was i just that i was a. I didn't come clean that much. I didn't complain off dislike. Hey this long hour but twenty five bucks. I mean money you know you gotta make you gotta make what you wanna make like a twenty five bucks. But i was like oh but i can get that pants with my this. Money can get this Who these My own money. You know get hustle. Whatever you go with just suck sacrifice that for or what. What want sure So basically it worked for a couple years and through that i was hey But my one of my friend was introduced me to break dancing. I would break dancing doing the Break-dancing ricocheting break dancing in island during the holiday which is break dancing on the train. Making money again hustle. When we hold on making money it was like hold on the guy. The guy that told you you need to get a you need to get an education right. You gotta get an education. Who was that guy that. What did he say to you exactly. That was impact. Like why did that stick with you. It was just a ups guy or fedex guy like why did he tell you why the random guy random guy. So what was it the way he said it or was what was. Why did it stick in your head. Like why was it so impactful. It must have been something about it. Because i think because i know i work more than twenty five bucks a day. Okay you know. I i i stand that so so so want that only paid twenty five bucks a day and this guy was humid and hot horrible situation. And then you have the ups or fedex guy comes to you and goes you see you should get an education or else you're going to be stuck here and you're like oh this dude fucking right this dudas right when you when when you are really dow you just feel like. That's no hawk right. That's just a voice like that just like that somebody on voice sure going to stay quit you right. Sure unlocked right away is gonna click men s. That's how i was like man is damn so i think you i need to. I think sometimes people take for granted what they say to other people. Sometimes sometimes you say a lot of other people you don't know what's going to stick was not but shit sometimes takes right the right. The right stuff states okay. So you you're sitting. You're sitting there and the guys like yo. You gotta get education it clicks in your head. Then you start break dancing for money in new york as started doing your break dancing and they were giving you like simpson shit. How long did you do that. i do into. I actually got into a fashion school. Fit in new york How long how long were you bring your york. How how long were you break. Down to like Three to four years until the actually ban people bent on the train. Wow we got caught. My my crew got caught summertime so we not allowed to dance on But i think doing the experience. I had the best time of my life for fun. I love having fun. I love what i do and able to express myself. And i make money. That was the best time of my life. Even those like. Okay the call you dance on the streets duddy but who gives a shit you know like that's your joy right there. S you're right. There and people didn't know that like break dancing. You can make like average fifty bucks just one hours fifty bucks. An hour could be like a breaking. Is that going to be a master degree. You're gonna make fifty bucks an hour. Sure vast town my life. If you're if you're really good and your dancer or musician in new york you can make some money for sure. I seen it. Yeah but i mean the caveat is you gotta be really good so you do this for a few years and then what what in your mind like. Why did you decide to go to fashion school. You just have a passion for fashion like what is it just like. I just know. Just know that i wanted to do fashion. But i'll know how to start on. I don't know what school just like doing that. Dancing after the the new york city. bay they announced they banned the street dancer. Who just like on the train. We just i dislike okay. Maybe it's time for me to just you're not you're not gonna you're not gonna dance in the rest of your lie when you get older you need to have some financial freedom when you get older so a wondering why. Hey maybe this design stuff is gonna work to. And i i love. These is since lido and I love fashion. I realized that an and i worked so harmful portfolio to get into the school How did you get injured. How did you not put put put the portfolio together. Was it required. You had to put. They told you have to put a poor. That's a requirement for and Starting major in f. i sure you need to Phoenix dot requirements on that. And and then you. You have to go to interview short. The faculties the champ person in that in the in the school for that particular major there The moment when it got their got their got interview based surveys with the person. I show her the my portfolio. She smiled at me a now. I got into the school really and then after the interview i give hug see tomita i. I will see you again while i was so happy. I was so happy. I was like damn this is but the thing is i. Put a lot of time on that folio but now back to my portfolio to enter the school that looked like shit literally is like shit. But hey is that is the progress unity Gotta trust your journey. Stole your look back as people say like don't look back to the path is good sometime. It's going to look back to the past. The past will make you be proud of what you are today. Sure that's the part about documenting. That's the part of documenting our growth as a business. That i really enjoy so as i look back at the videos. Look back at what we did in the past and i'm like damn that's that she feels like ten years ago was two years ago. You know so you hand you hand this portfolio and you look at our face automatic shavers spot you could see. The look in is like she. She liked what she saw. That must have been crazy to you. Because you standing out there dancing in the street and you don't know what your future's going to look like and boom somebody just validated you from. Fit top fashion one top fashion schools in new york. So then that's probably what sparked the clicked in your mind like this right. Yeah yeah can't always believe that Well i'm i'm i'm family is really religious family. We acog lake. Keep a sunday. Trust a charge into actually eighteen or various straight. my mom always told me pray but But what. I respond to my mom and my grandma is yes. What works if you put on on the work put in the work because if you are believed yup if you believe in like whatever got your believing right you don't put on their work not gonna give you that. Sure you need to have put on the work and then right so what. I'm yet always believe in that. So in islam we have a very similar same very similar. It's prey like you're going to die today and work like you're gonna live forever. Pray like you're going to die today right right because if you say you're going to die the all your heart right and then you're gonna live forever put in that time in that passion into your work because it could be something the rest of your life right. That's that's that's yeah so you're you get into fashion school. How do you. what's the next few years. Look like me a give me an idea and and take me through the day you decided to to attempt to get into that show. We'll give you the idea. Apply for that show matt and also and also take me through like the fashion school. Was it worth it. Could you probably have in youtube like was. Was it worth the money. And how much did it cost fashion school when to enter. This is like the best school the best because if you are slacking in the school you're saying this this is like ray college your wrong because that's a lot very competitive in design. You know who anybody who wants to be the best in design end this school particular like other design school majority. They are overseas to have a lot of like foreign students. Come here you basically can compete with the world right. Indus like fashion school and Yeah train really hard. And i always late like the last person that left the studio so the studio in school and they closed at two. Am in the morning. I always the last one that left until the security common knocked to your door your studio you gotta leave almost two. Am in the morning though. Basically packed up. Like i'd been doing that for the past. I think four years like keep cooking like a sharpening might my crap in design and then one of my friend told me and i hate. You should apply for pencil. You don't know about pencil. Pencil is one of the best sneaker designed school in the world right now if you really want to sneaker. That is the school for you so so real quick. What what is pencil. Let's for those of you. That don't know what pencil is. I just want to get a little bit of a description. On what pencil is your frontal apply for pencil which is what exactly what is yeah. What is it so so. I wear willingly into sneaker. A i work very hand back. I will making handbag designer handbag. I was like really injured. I for a year and a half. And then i my transition to where I saw as a sneaker. Isn't i so cool. And i look at the market. It's like man you know how young designer or the new of beginner Designer man like. I can do better than this. These bad but you don't realize that is a world. Object varies Sophisticated isn't like very difficult into speak. Our like it was like. I can do better than why. Don't they do that okay. Let's let's do that like me. Challenge myself do this. I can do this and I've been sketching sneaker. Allot doing school time and one of my friend know pencil and it was like hey dude. You heard about pencil They are very good at Teaching sneaker in doing desk tom. There was only doing sneaker color material designer and brand marketing three categories. They're like they're like the fashion design school for sneaker design. Is that correct right. But i wouldn't put pencil on fashions of schools for national marla emotional shore. Yes sneaker Yeah so. I applied so i i base Basically i just like okay. I'm so excited about this school and you can free scholarship one. You got picked by the founder. The wing at work that Do sketch that you send it to them. They certain tom Year to have a program that cooperate collaborate with The the big brand. Ace aches jordan adidas puma an armor every brand that like in the market like the big brand. Who's drinking a lot with them. Who's doing who's doing. Who is he exotic. The guy who started pencil. Who's who's that the wing at. Where is the legendary designer. What the one of the Jordan and one of the designer that these iphone jordan michael jordan One of the fast mentor is. He's i think Each changed my life. He like the one that i only look up to. Man i just feel like i wanna go back there again. Because i wanna. I wanted to feel that surround with the people that have actions like you not let the corporate people you know. It's like okay you come here to learn. You're not just learn about design. You're not gonna just teaching. You like be a good designer. He gonna teach you how to be a bad person that is very important. scored at don willett. You that okay school if you go to class cool if you don cole. Because that ready. Got the money from you. You know The school that's in college. You responsible for your actions. That's why school. It's cool. Like mit what i learned from fit. Is that parlamento the basics like for you to go to the next level School cool. But i'm not a fan of school. I just feel like it. You really want to what you do. In this like twenty-first-century everything is invaluable for you. Sure i'm just wondering like okay like wise school. don't be cheaper. Like can they be cheaper why they keep getting more expensive the cost. That's a hot estate. It that's a whole different conversation right. The whole politics behind school costs is great. It's crazy yeah so so the wayne edwards. This sounds like he's he's like an industry person. He's created sneaker designs for jordan brand like you said then he goes on to start the school called pencil and you and a friend of yours tells you like look man if you really into sneak a design one or to apply at school and then there's a scholarship so you applied to that school and this is like a school where they they teach the design of sneaker but it seems like it's a little bit more detail like the guys like a mentor to everybody. That's there right gotcha. So so then you apply to the school after fashion school. Because it's what you the basics what how did you get in the how. How does this show come into place. So i got into pencil like my first program introduced me to pencil words Ace aches collaboration with pencil. And the second one. I got into again New balance it with pencil doing best time it was doing A collaboration with like a basketball player that signed with under armour. So i have a chance to designed for under armor that project. And i was they nacho about what i wanna do this is why is he wanted sick. Inc for challenge. This is while you're going to pencil. You're getting opportunities to design for six for new balance while you're going to that school you're already in the school. Is that what it is. I'm a. I'm oh i was like. I was in stephen fashioned school and got an alibi team right on. I lie at life because every time to have a program of cooperation with the big brand. Yes so what. The requirement s You submit one the sketch. Yes that They go through that The sketch whit all without caller so With all your original design that's a lot of like Thousands of people that apply for the world. Not just in the state And then yeah they. They pick selected. I think twenty-somethings sometimes depend on the program. Twenty-something sometimes thirty something that you got into mid up at the headquarters of pennsylvania which is in portland organs and then you over there compete with each other around the world I only love the energy competition. That's why i keep Coming back because i just feel like the benefit of pencil that helped me to be a better person that i worth from like last couple year so only come back and i love the passion that all the candidates that come to pencil that have the same passion drive the same passion motivation. They inspire you. We just basically inspire charter. You don't see that in the fashion school right. You don't see that in all that much so so you you get an opportunity to design for some of these people and they picked out. This is why you're going to fit fashion. It's fashion school right. You get an opportunity to design for these pick. Twenty designs was one of those twenty designs. One of your designs. Yes they pick one of this. And say i got free scholarship to go to pencil from you. Know from fit that is like sub rate ever not just like a scored. I was studying that pencil. Or just i go to stop right the program. I got connected. I i got you so okay. So you're you're designing your design gets chosen. Take me through the relationship between seoul the show and how like lace up how you get into that. Because i don't see the connection. What's the connection. Their connection was like okay. They own the have a nodar like coming up like a year. I think a year later for apply for the show. i was i and dot going to be a longer time because the regular so program is only like a couple weeks but this is like three months. Right for the sean. Through that for the show three months and and you science a lot of papers did a lot of an interview but how did you find out about the show. And how. how did you not apply. Oh it just like they did on instagram. And so they just yeah they have at an at that and say oh apply for the show for the first Sneakers show ever. I was like cool. This is cool anew. Challenge for me I just wanna see what's up with this kind of show like i gotcha and this new the first Sneaker shell too. I was i let me do this auction and then i just a sketch. One of my original design that Insanity do they. The process took like months to pick the actual Press like The the selected person go to portland. Oregon's this car pencil. This show this show. is molly. corruption would the adidas gonna so pennzoil with You took yes and edith. Yeah so that was like they did a lot of interview and just like and then when you get discuss selector you thought you selected right. They're going to book their ticket for you to fly to portland. You stay in that hotel. I think for weeks because they wanted to see how you I think that testing you like they just block you in the hotel room because doing time. They cannot every time you go anywhere. That's the person follow you. I'm a psychology test. Iq tests. I was. I'd this doesn't connect it to what what i didn't know like. We don't know like psychology tasks. What is this i contest. What is this and was just like okay. This is kind of string and just block us into the hotel room and they keep individualist so there was there was a vetting process. You apply you put in your design to pencil which is kinda like you there for two weeks and you get training on how to design sneakers. They they put out this ad that they're going to have a show. You put use of your design right. And i guess you get chosen to go out to portland. They've they fly you out you go. You go to portland right and in that in that timeframe you don't know if you're picked or not their vetting you they're giving you a psychology giving you. Tessie they wanna make sure you're a stable person because there's a major corporations right they can't hire somebody that's on stable and do something crazy right right. I didn't know about that into like the The day that for the final selections the in the adidas headquarter so delaying and he does a basketball director. Came up to the sunday. And they call your name and select which one goal which which one in the team so a team of three right. That's the marketing designer column material designer. I'm a designer like where designer so does three have to work together. Some didn't guest elected on that day got sent home so you basically spend months through the process the process. They put you in a hotel for months months for months. I'm not putting you in in a hotel. The process is like through the design interview. When while you whatever your location is right for for monks from. I remember like like the last year to beginning of the new year that took place and you have to submit one of your work so i submit. One of my hand makes shoes boots. That's minute some people submit their artworks from people submit their Would board for the callers. I submit the extra physical Book that i haven't i personnel had them in In the school in fit. So i was like great communication. I got compliment bomb Developer director somebody designer. That really like what i did. And then on that day they basically call your name. The moment that he called my name. I was yes i did it now and then some people. Some people already couldn't Handle that. they didn't get paid. They were just crying. I didn't i go back with those people. Because that's kind of harsh man like you don't know until you the final day you already. They flew out from what location. You are. Come to portland and then blocked yourself a week in the hotel and then they keep the final. I'm that spot. I kinda sat. How many people were a lot of how many people were in the wholesale. How many did not get picked How many the fourteen so trial that was eighteen but only the only the only trial people that pig dot so so the the fun the final eighteen they had selected eighteen. People didn't know which eighteen they wanted to. Vet you guys a little bit more so they give you all these tests a couple of weeks. Yeah put you up in a hotel and then they decided okay. We're gonna pick fourteen of these eighteen people. Okay what what goes on from the beginning episode like real. I just want to make sure that. I just wanna make sure people know the show that we're talking about guys called lace up. It's it's on youtube you just do you do a search on for lace up. It's actually it was part of youtube. Red's programming like it's actually a premium. Add on our by up. The youtube has the the non paid such pay. For what you have to pay to watch all the episodes. I think the first episode is free. But you have to watch you to pay to watch russell. I actually paid to watch the whole thing by the way at the time. Thank you man. Thank you so much support. I didn't even know i was supporting you. I just thought the show was like really really cool. I thought the idea of how design company for sneakers. I mean. I've always. I love design. I mean that's that's just the truth so for me to see like a competition about sneaker design. I thought that was very interesting very interesting. So you guys want to check it out on youtube on youtube. Red's called lace up again this. Nestor was one of the contestants on their. He got chosen from literally. How you'd say around the world all around the world. People are submitting designs if anybody ever wanted to be a sneaker designer you're literally submitting these designs and hoping that you're gonna get chosen. He's one of fourteen people that's on their. Take me through day. One episode one through episode. I want to understand what you know. This is like a dream. Come true for you bro. I know that because that validation that you get in an environment like that to be to be picked from that group of people and to know that you're good enough coming from where you came from. That was gonna be huge for you. Huge but i never be good enough when you the moment you step into pencil. You just like now man. That's a different world out there. Well you have to you thank you thank. You are the best in college. That ain't shit. yes. I don't call. It ain't shit so k. So great anc shit in design. So i look at things like this. You probably got five seconds of validation and then you're back to work so that's the way this is dope. I just want now. I'm going to work ten times harder. That's the way i view things. It sounds like that's the way you view things so you looked at from very humble perspective that you've got chosen for one of those people. Tell me what you're telling me what goes on through your head for for the for the first episode and try to give me an understanding you know how the show progresses and it gets to the ending of. I'd like. I'd like to get your because seen the show. And if you guys want to watch it you can watch it yourself. But i want to know the show through your eyes. What is it how did you. How did that experience worked for you for us. Like people don't get like one episode is only forty five minutes right but think about it. We should the entire week just for five minutes short every projects every project you saw forty five. Minutes is the whole. The whole process is like the entire week in that forty. Five minutes sean. Alana things that cut off you know At the moment when a guy like a now that i guess elected by the director right Whether rector i i remember that was nine. Am in the morning and then we got back to pencil work railway. Well we work into while into four am in the morning. So because I was sleep there by if i could because not allowed to because is by law. You need to leave your studio while you're not allowed to stay over So and then i sleep. We'll up seven the first that were like this better. Be worth it because this is only three hours sleep. Your man mentally exhorted right and then you go like this. Better be worth it man outta y. You can speaking to myself like this better. Be worth it But pencil was The regular normal program pencil is like the same intense like that but this is the way too much because every time you go to the restroom. There's a person to follow you You're not allowed to dress a certain stock because if your logo they gonna put the tape over the logo and And when you do research you're not allowed to use google. You used the dot com that they give it to you because those are pay image because everything. There's a lot of restrictions people don't know about that Everything that you every time that you used a celebrity inet you can paid him couple of thousands You're not allowed to use Whatever and then they they have They'd have a team that go through your entire projects to see all this site all week. We are not allowed to use the image. Oh you you're not allowed to use this logo like very very strict and that were my first time experience ray. I was like because he used so comfortable. Like now people just Do like they slap on like when they do design it. Just okay used auditors. I slap on but they don't go through the What is this. The vetting process So that's a that's a legal process that you have to go through to finish the project you need like in college you have to credit to whatever source that you find on the internet show because you on a big screen dot wise like the entire legal team that look at your project at the hall right. They're gonna source ow. Oh this is. You're not allowed to use this picture. You not allowed to use that. That's a lot of restriction into the show but my first episode. Though i remember was like damn like a lot of people they don't really because the camera follow you at the time. Andy time that you just stand alvin walk. They will follow you and they give you might everything you talk to record it. Sure they can hear everything right. That's a guy that's hawk. The steak dot keep recording you and That's inciting men. I never feel that pressure light so much pressure and you have a tom a deadline and you do have a deadline right The first priority was intense That was like. I think i keep telling me. Keep motivated myself that you're not allowed to call your family members. They keep all your phone away in the in a in a safe case. For how long do they keep your phone doing. The entire Shooting that's crazy only give you like certain time late. You can have like thirty minutes to call all eu member like family member and then whatever you wanna call back. Take your phone back That was like. But i usually when i focused on my staying. I don't care who i i. I don't use my minutes. Could they give you some That you are allowed to call your member right. I don't use it. i use my minister. Aw whatever because. I want to just like i wanted to To finish the show to show my family. You know not just like doing to process that I'm show in a mito. The what have been achieved you had. You had an intended goal and you're focused. You're focused on. You had something to prove. Yeah had something proof Just focused and that entire The first episode were intend. Because i'm keep motivating myself because i don't i don't know this is so new to me but after the first episode to say what happened in episode but it just gonna watch three the first episode spray so watch it though But the team is kind of art like because like that's not a two people in your team right in in the school they don't teach you teamwork they don't teach you that and people are just so much pride in the school site. You're not allowed to tell me you're not that good. Why are you telling me that right. I'm better than you or you. Copy my whatever but here in pencil is only like you gotta have teamwork. She'll do success barrier is in your team. It show it. show your work it. You have back communication with the team like Miss communication or you have. Some arguments are against is charter. Some prize eagle like you. You're gonna lose. So as far as i didn't expect anything like oh this to people rather like from out of state and never met them before like work with them but i i i'm i'm very easy. I'm on itself. Selfless louis like i willing to sacrifice out to work with the people in order to achieve the goal one. I mean everybody wants right in seventeen. So i'm more like that so i have. I have a saying that. I usually tell the people that i work with. I say a corporation is a cooperation. Yep if you if you don't have a cooperate with in order to achieve a goal you can't have an organization right. So that's why i'm that's why whatever your feelings are on corporations. Whatever anybody thinks about them that's why they ruled the world right. They they run things because they they cooperate and they are organized in order to achieve a goal. So because of that. You know. I i usually liken what we do to the cooperation Aspect of it. If you don't have a cooperation you don't you can't you can't win. You're fighting against companies. That are organized. And they're cooperating with each other to win it. Don't matter how good you are a designer. It doesn't matter how good great there's a lot of great designers that are not successful. There's a lot. There's a lot of great businessmen that are also not successful right is it does a lot of people that are contact krieg great content that they not organized enough to produce that content inconsistency so they don't they don't reach they don't reach. That goal is very important. So that's that's what aren't that's one of the corporation. That's what cooperation does it. Bridges your weaknesses and your strengths with somebody else. Yeah shell is which is very very difficult for some people to get over themselves and put their arrogance aside and work with somebody else very difficult for some people that the biggest problem is actually. The ego cannot let go of their ego. So it's very interesting. So you're you're you're into episode. One takes all week long to shoot a forty five minute episode. It has eight episodes like eight weeks right right without ruining ruining the show for everybody right because some people may want to tune in and watch it which is very interesting. Take me through your experience right. Because i want to get into that that that process this very different foam fashion design school. And but where design school because fashion is more like okay. I feel i feel this callers. Nice right i feel This design look nice but it doesn't based on facts you know In pencil What's the taught me was like. Okay what is this design connected to. Your story is very important. People don't know that right people just think when see the market there was like oh this is trash like basically you just look at aesthetic of the design. You say strache. You don't even know the whole story behind the entire process that how come up with this bin zayed short so I didn't learn that. Until i actually come to pencil but doing that. I have a lot struggle. Because i'm based on like hey i feel dislike nights man. Just put lines there. Okay this This color is nice. I like this colors. Nice this put the line there But just use this caller read but like everything have to have a reason to the purpose. a is a purpose on that everything Either your design is have to be functional or material. Have you connected to your story also and also connected to the story but you don't have to entire design have to connect to the story certain elements that connected to the story right. That's how the way you're telling the story that maybe You were talking about. I just read collar because the story is example. Right red colors is for the holiday season and This this person is la holiday because the holiday is connected to his Whatever gathering family members. That's why he love about family. The red color is represent this for him. When you design a person is different you know and you see the okay maybe This caller Maybe this basketball shoes. This sly is the straight line like this like Like a ankle lines because Easter directional person. You know like Direction or lines. How you showed it on a design. There's a lot of complicated things not like. They can drain your energy though when you have to thank you need to bring emotional attachment to your products like why would buy products because oh this This desire represent for victory. I wanna work. I want to. I want to be victor desirable. Sent me you know. So i it's connected is very important to connect emotionally attached to the the story. Tell us is on the whole next level. You don't really see it in whatever media like social media. i'd designer that done like they. They just okay. I like this architecture. I liked this street. That's why i use this conduct on the street architecture. I spy from this. But what your purpose your purpose on that. Could you have it in spray. But what your Statement from design purpose on this design. Because you've got inspired architecture. Everybody can do that. You know like okay got it. Okay texture these. I got Caller inspiration from the pizza cool. But what you why i. Why would i buy your big purpose than just a pizza. You know call up. He said things like that. That's that's a narrative that i'm seeing across all all products now. Storytelling and that storytelling is so important. Even in the retail aspect. When you put together a store you have to think about what. The story is for a section of the product. What is the story behind this section of the store this section of the store this table. This retail display are. We using storytelling everywhere. So yeah the they. Pop sure purchase. absolutely so. so i wanna i wanna talk a little bit more about. I feel like the show is good. You guys are gonna watch no matter what. But i wanna talk about your your role and how it ended and what your thoughts are on that right. The show goes through. It goes through eight and at the end of the show. Three other people. Three of the contestants are chosen right to work for adidas as sneaker designers right without without giving away the bag. I wanna i wanna talk about that. So you're not chosen as one of those people for me for me. You the best design on that show like there's no question thank you. And i'm i'm i'm telling you this from the perspective of somebody that buys and i've been buying for. I don't know twenty years. So i knew quickly toy based on what i saw in the creativity that you had. I said this guy is like. He's not. He's not the loudest one in the room by his. His design. aesthetic is so consistent that he's gonna knock it out of the park and one way or another. He's going to walk away with it. So i was very surprised at the end. When you were not chosen let me ask you an honest question will you were. You also surprised I haven't thing about that in a while the show it's been three years But i i. I know that But a lot of people told me behind the state A lot of people told me that. I want but i just realized But the action show entire thing I just feel. I the experience for me because i achieved something. I never done before short. I'm i'm a i. Of course when announced the winner. I were a little bit Only that like a day. After like awake i just go back to my normal life right and i look back i was like hey but i compete with people without have more experience than me. Sure i'm just a frigging student. The people that own store a shoe store they run the company. Like i know shed i. I haven't been to school okay. I'm still taking classes in. The school was like so you want you want no matter what i want that no matter what i haven't had i the only thing that i have is my internship from the the whatever from the school i got right I one no matter what. And i told myself was like damn remember nestor. The first day you say this better be worth it because you sleep on it three hours. Yeah this this It's worth it. You know what you know. What's interesting you ever watch a boxing match when when you know one of the guys one but he loses and they pick another guy but everybody knows that that guy was supposed to win he ends up being the winner you understand. How yeah because they. Because they don't agree with the judges. The judge the judge in your scenario is not the people who chose the winners. The judges was the public. It was the people watching the show public right. It was the people like myself that paid to watch it. So you got my vote all right. Thanks man i would say that that show where it's like drink a lot of energy and a lot a lot of energy because we but i the thing is like if i one to do it again i would do it. You know because i already done at once. Why not the second want in order to stay be too so so the sneaker industries like fifty five billion dollar industry. It's more than fifty five billion at this point but it's it's such a huge industry. It's so right you know everything. That design revolves around shoes. I your outfit ramaz around your shoes. I so i find it hard to believe that the show would amount of us that had the hell out of us. Man right yeah. Millions millions of us new orleans. Yeah absolutely it was relatively successful. So why don't we see a season to like. What's what's the issue. Why why aren't they putting out a second season. You gotta ask a delaying man and so a photograph. I have no idea. I have no control with that but It's it's kind of crazy when the first episode launch There's a lot coming right. People come and right sure i i see a lot of people. Were talking trash about a straw an essay. Like a Why don't you call when they order like custom designer. Whatever like they just you know how the current designer they just Some of these diner just paint the air force swan to display like ray introduced the new material or the collar blocking To design the existing designed basically. They don't really think about it. The isn't designed right. They just flip. The caller whatever material on there was trashing out show or the normal people. They don't know about that. They just trashing all show but they don't know is not hurting me but the heart or the the people who run the show you know like the people behind the state you know. It's not hurting me. Because i i've seen jimmy it i. I look at negative feedback as a positive feedback. Is there watching me. Like i phase like so. I've been facing my family like that for my entire childhood. So if your family can could bring you down nobody gonna bring you down. Nobody gonna drag it out. So i look at that and people don't realize it's like we've put a lot of work and we'll have a lot of restriction and some desire to look good like you would think like okay. This is the final design. But the person you do not allowed to pick the final. I sure like you're not allowed to do that. Somebody else's somebody else's picking the final design rice. Then i understand but it it just i just like people would appreciate the the word that entire team. I think man when it comes to the social media in this day and age. Everybody's got something to say. I don't i don't think. Negative feedback is actually negative. I think i think the fact that they're watching means that they're watching make care they care and at the same time. I think we're living in a world of trolls. This is what this is. What people do they go. Online is literally like what people do so they not their opinions. Don't really matter. I think the opinions of the people actually doing something is the matter right. What some of the contestants that you were with. Did anybody end up taking that. That win and really really cement themselves as designer. Some of these guys got chosen to be data design somebody that moved on into a real position in design yes The the winner worth She the see the designer in that team She currently working at a farm. We still contact us. Great man she. She's talented gar to bury tonic And also allowed to see women's of callers In the the designed Industry special knicker on that inspiring. You know like i. I see that more. I like to see if my already by the in the on the on the higher positions shown a big company Yeah i love that. That's keeping firing. We contact me like trump and charter about not about design. abou- enterpreneurship. Yeah so you you. You're you're a humble guy man you take it. Somebody would've taken that situation and they were bitter about it. You know why was not chosen chosen. Why was not chosen. You take you take in this situation. And i feel like you're you're handling it well. Despite the fact that it's a couple of years ago it doesn't matter what matters people really believe that you want it and the fact that you're able to handle it that way. That's that's a testament to your character. So that's pretty i mean It is what it is. I think just like People just don't it's not about winning or losing you know. Don't get me wrong upset. When then when they announced the winner. Upset i remember. I literally like couldn't couldn't stand to hold my My teammate shoulder. 'cause 'cause i thought that My my last. I was site then like even in the industry that i never. Nobody done it before you know. Never done the storytelling that design language in basketball court. Nobody done it before you know But hey but this other that wake of like man. I'm still winner man. I'm compared with like the people the actually run the the footwear company already successful That person who's the ceo and founder of the company. And this guy was. I already working into like. I'm i'm nobody but i got some shit on my shoulder so good like that is But i could ariza's i okay. I'm just get back to the rining. You know you kind of lewd. Think about that. Too much is what it is in the end of the day You need to set another goal of so no. I was studying. Oughta go right away after that like working on my portfolio some lansing the quake man just like you can keep doing what you say. Consistency absolutely cake a lot of people. Just yeah they only consists earn months. They on consist more. They don't have the consistency like through year's absolutely so for for those of you that want to follow nesters work and gets home a little bit more. What's your what's your handle working. See your work My bang and e. s. t. p. h. a. n. on i g would oppose a lot of I'm the person that don't pose a lot of my work. Because i don't like to do to let people know what i working on. You know like until it. Actually i got their show people as more impactful than your today. I'm working on show. This is going to show their. I'm not like that kind of person. You know sure so. Let me but let me ask you this. After the show you've moved on what's next for you know what next thoroughly i'm I'm more like get into a market stock market Because colgate coming. You know. I think it's the best time that happened to me I'm i'm more like focused disciplined Before that i was spend. I used to spend money you know. Now i want my money worked for me money born money. I don't want to just make money and just spend it. I want money make money so now i'm focused on stock market is. That's the best time right now in my opinions and now i'm working on a youtube channel dove. What's what's the channel talking about is nest bang and e. s. p. a. n. Gonna talk about design Like stylings fashions talking about Where review so that Months up that and in the future have a lot of goal. But i don't want to tell people you get into a cheap that That's me. I don't like to share like every step. I want to get there. I was shared to you guys. It's more impactful. That's what i always. So we're gonna we're gonna dropped in the description section of the video right if you guys are listening to this on spotify soundcloud or you're watching this on youtube. Just hit the description section of the video. It'll take to his youtube channel. You can check out his channel. Take it to his instagram. He doesn't post a lot of design stuff on there. I think is youtube. Channels really ways focuses attention on. So you're you're working on. Yeah i've i've passed my video every single week every every single week. That's your consistency every week. Yeah that's what i As new is a new china. But i just want to Let's see how i can consistent Evie contents every single week. Let's see how it goes for last year. No no that's look. I'm gonna do not a lot of people not a lot of people. Approach a scenario with a three year projected projected outcome. They approach scenario the one with a one day projected outcome. So oh my god you see a lot of people on like the neal because the colbert. A lot of people like actually invest in stock right. Now there's a lot of beginner. Like they. Invest just like your. They can handle the rest day. How can you can't handle a red date and you never gonna see the green day. Sure you got to be able to say the law. That's a lot of people. So what do you do you talk about any stock tips. You go into investing or trading in there or no on your channel sound like you're passionate about that you should be more focused on that man. Yeah but i. I want i want to have a moldable swing like soon come. I don't want just one. Because covert now is like okay design. But that's a lot of people got layoff you know. You need to think about a moti income sources Release like now. It's like you can't really live on one of the company that you work for because One of my Doing edward Taught me this befo- cod right when you work for a company. That's a deadline for you. You have to finish that on the deadline. They don't care they don't care if you got hit by the train the car. Whatever like you have to finish that so dot project on that deadline because in the end of the day Ready have to finish it and if they want to fire you no matter how hard you work when they fire you they will fire you. They don't care is all about money right in a in a big company a corporate is all about money to them. They don't care that that that's you work your ass off you literally don't care you saw a lot of contact with him a guy to win One once in the wire tapped him like doing the beginning of the kobe I just Because i i. I just even though we i don't know i just like love to the connection with pencil because They taught me a lot. I like extreme at boucher. What weighing and a whole team in pencil taught me night. Put the design outta sti- ready. Well no in design industry already but as a person short you know they talk about. It's very important that you hold onto the right relationships for sure right. That's life live is You know those relationships can benefit you. I think those relationships are mutually beneficial. You get to know each other more so so have you guys are watching this show right now if you tuned in to another episode of the hustle. You're watching my man nestor fan. He's a designer. He's a sneaker designer. He loves to create. He's a youtube. He's got a youtube channel. The show is the show is intended really to inspire people right on how. They're moving with their life right. That's what the theme of the show is right because everybody's gotta hustle. You know your hustle may be different than the next guy but at the end of it. We'll about a hassle right so if somebody's watching this eighteen year old kids seventeen year old sixteen. Whatever it is. He's watching this right now. What advice would you have to give them as a designer. What would you give them the best advice you give somebody i got. I got a better way of putting that you ready. I got a better way. Let's let's say you walked into that store where you work in for twenty five dollars a day and you saw you. What vice would you give that kid if you knew that can wanted to go into design I would. I would say that to my close friend as well as only a by student You have when you born in america. You're already have already hit a lottery absolutely you know. That's a lot that's a lot of. There's a lot of people are suffering around the world you know like. Don't just take things that you have in your family for granted appreciate what you have if you want to like. Be whatever you want to be man. America there's no decimal national law for to stop and you watch you want you do in your life. You have the freedom of freedom of choice which is a big deal. You have a freedom of choice. You know You know like oughta country. We don't have that absolute freedom freedom of speech. Don't take that freedom of speech for granted. Be what you want to be. Just but i understand that right a lot of time. I felt like a lot of time. I took i that. It's very hard man i. It's extremely hard. You only damn. I'm gonna do it tomorrow. I'm going to do it just fucking do it. You know that's how nike slogan is. Just it's very hard. I that is extremely hard when you finish the staff. You're gonna be like you know i want. I can finish twice. I can finish their third. Tom repeat that process. Just just get florida younger. Yeah keep moving. It doesn't matter. Also don't don't with social media at when you see a lot of instagram designer. They draw a lot of cool shit. Like you know like just be focused on your you. You know a lot of stop cool. Don't cut up to that. Don't look at that. You influence your originality design. you know. you're definitely going to get implants from whatever the market is on the have design. But don't look at that too much. Try to avoid social media at again Especially on this Specialty like if i'm footwear. Designer or sensory designer. i will not look at footwear. Whatever Designer on instagram. I would voice that I would focus on me because everybody unique individual you know. So heavy body unique you can Dislike your fingerprint show. So don't look that. Don't miss that uniqueness. So one of the things i respect about. Nestor is he's authentically him. That's a very interesting thing. You don't find a lot of authenticity these days. I feel like people are. They're moving in different directions. This channels intended to inspire you to to to move forward and whatever your hustle is. This guy comes from vietnam. His mom gets on a plane. She moves him into thailand. They go back to vietnam. They come to america at the age of fifteen. He works in the city making twenty five dollars an hour. He break dances for money. He goes to fashioned. School lands a position. Orlando an opportunity to create sneakers for one of the biggest sneaker designers in the industry. I don't know man. That's that's that's why. I wanted to have you on the show. That's that's the hustle. That's the definition hustle. Man do so this. I want to thank you. Want to go now. Man i wanna thank you for being on here. I know you're a very humble guy. I want to thank you for being on here okay. You're going to look out for your work. I want you guys to look out for his work. This is nester fan. Make sure you check out his youtube channel. I appreciate you being on here bro. And i think. I'm going to have you on here in the future and the next time i speak to you. It's going to be even. You're going to have some more exciting news to tell me. Thank you so much. Thank you thank you so much man. Thank for your team is absolutely set up Connection relationship absolutely. Thank you so much. You guys are watching another episode of the hustle. Man show this is nester fan. Episode remember businesses always personal. Thanks for tune into another episode of hustle. Man show make sure you click. That subscribe button tap that belt for the audio experienced. A spotify and soundcloud links are below the follow us on instagram and twitter. It's pat cap swag. 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Full Show (Drew Brees + Vic Fangio + Pete Carroll comments, Stephen Jackson + Killer Mike join)

Skip and Shannon: Undisputed

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Full Show (Drew Brees + Vic Fangio + Pete Carroll comments, Stephen Jackson + Killer Mike join)

"Welcome to the undisputed podcast I'm your host Jerry Taft? This podcast is the full show from today's episode of undisputed from start to finish. They've got a busy slate, so skip Shannon. Let's get to it. Good Morning Welcome to undisputed I'm Jenny Taft today to back here in studio and joined by skip bayless and Shannon Sharpe. It is great to see you guys again this morning. Are we doing? I was doing pretty good pretty. Behalf I know autism. Shannon Sharpe in all my years I've never experienced any year like twenty twenty and I must say it is a pleasure and honor to be able to try to make sense of twenty twenty. Right here with you think in twenty one up and get here. Talk. About that. It's appropriate. Guys even Jackson will also be joining us from Minneapolis later on. We also have killer Mike joining the show. I am so looking forward to hearing from him. But Shannon. You mentioned you were doing good until that happened yesterday. And that is some controversial comments that we heard from drew brees and I'm GONNA get right into it in an interview with Yahoo Finance drew, brees said. said he could quote. Never agree with anybody disrespecting the flag of the United States of America brees said he stands with his teammates or their fight for equality, but also that he stands with family members who have served in the military rees was heavily criticized by many athletes including teammates. Michael, Thomas, not them. Jenkins drew brees did issue an apology this morning on Instagram Shannon. Your thoughts. Are You surprised by this? What's your reaction? And what made the black? Fight so hard is people like drew brees skip because if you can't get a guy that grew up with blacks in the Locker Room from Hyperion pee wee high school to college to the NFL to understand the black man's plight, who will what about guys does not around black only daily basis that have not been around blacks on a daily basis like drew brees. says. That I found. I found insulting to be quite honest with you. He said my grandfathers fought in world war. I did not know to men one more and war. Should be commended, but did he know that black man bought? Allow a alongside his grandfather in world. War Two although in segregated military skill. They were fighting in a foreign land from a boy freedom that when they came home, they did not enjoy like drew brees. His grandfather's did did drew know that black man that wore milita- they came home that will call in their military uniforms. A lot of times were beaten jailed even kill. Does. He realize that everyone has ever been fought in American history. Black men have fought valiantly. In that war? In the revolution there. They said. The blacks were fighting for their masters freedom freedom that they were not going to get even though they were told. If you pick up on them, fight alongside US upon you returning. You could gain your freedom when they came back home I. Guess what they were enslaved again. and. The reason a lot of reasons. George wasn't signed a military act of seventeen. Ninety two SAM couldn't join the military. They fault so well, and some of the officers say they fought so well and Baguley. He took it up, but guess what the British did. Run away and fight with us. We'll give you your freedom and immediately George Washington rescinded the order. I can't believe you drew. What would make you think at this moment skill? Eight nine days after George Florida had lost his life. Would bring the military and the flag of skip. I told you skip if you WANNA talk about be and I don't WanNa. Talk about be I'M GONNA. Talk about the I'm GonNa talk about the I'm GonNa, talk about everything except what you WanNa. Talk about because that's an issue. I do not want to face. Drew! Blacks fault in war to alongside your grandfather. And did not have the freedoms that they had when they came home skill, although they had sacrificed the exact same thing if his grandfather's the. So, let me get this spray. Skip is sacrifice as much as you do. In a foreign land fighting for freedom for people that when I get home, I don't get. Like that flag means so much, Judy, you realize, think about the black man that flag. For two, hundred and fifty years in slavery, and no one hundred fifty years, one hundred years of Jim Crow, and so you automatically assume that a black measure sleep feel the same pride for the flag. Is You and your grandfather's skill? That's what makes me upset. SKIP. Is that some that only white served in the military man? That flag means so much. My grandfather, my grandfather, I guarantee if you pose the players an NFL. They have grandfather's grandfather that served in World War Two. And World War One this world was, said all nineteen seventeen. There was a senator from Missouri named James Bardhaman, and he warned that once they black soldier was allowed to see himself an American hero. Oneself to the conclusion that is political rights must be respected bringing black soldiers home to the south with expectation of equality. He predicted whenever will lead to disaster. He's they're black. Soldiers ask potential community leaders would be terrifying at a disaster and would be a mass movement or the American African American rights. Even though they went overseas to fight for freedom when they came home, they were not to enjoy that. And drew brees. Field doesn't seem to get it not. He issued apologised. But if meaningless, because the guys know that he spoke his heart the very first time around. I don't know what was going to do, but he probably should just go ahead and retired now he it will never be the same. Take it from a guy that's been a leader in the locker room. Boy Number of years at every steps give been the leader in the locker room. What he's saying they go. Bill never look at it in the same because he's spoke heart and skip the what he's saying wasn't what he's saying is how he said he was the final. Hour will never. Respect a man. He was Okala cabinet. Get told you what he was doing. What, even after all this, nobody had even mentioned the flag. He brought that up on his own. Drew I don't know what she was thinking. I don't know what you hope to accomplish, but whatever you hope to accomplish. It failed miserably. Black people have been fighting or this country. Even though they did not get the rights, the flag, saying the flag I thought the flag something see, get the flag, the club that wave in the wind as the wind blows, but it means something. It's supposed to mean something if small to me, everything for all people. Freedom Liberties. But if the black man doesn't have the same freedoms, liberty as the white. What good is the flag? In drew things that I got me. You know what it means to me. I feel a sense of pride since auto. Everybody. BEDROO- because it hadn't represented them in the exact same way. I hear mortgages spoke. And once again, your words are so real in so raw and so genuine and authentic that it gives me chills over here on this side. And back to Jimmy's question about my level of surprise, I was not surprised by his apology. And I also was not surprised by what he said yesterday. And I'm with you. I believe drew. brees showed you his true colors yesterday. And I'm not gonNA completely. Condemn him as a bad man. He's not a bad man. But, he's not ignorant. He's not unaware of all that has gone on. It's will yeah. It's willful, but it's. To me, just willful insensitivity, and he did admit to being insensitive and his apology, but let's look harder at debris, shall we? He is a staunch Republican. He is arch conservative. His father was a prominent trial lawyer in. Texas and drew grew up in an affluent community in Austin. His mother was also an attorney successful attorney. And as you point out, and that he loves to point out both his grandfathers served in World War Two and one fought in the battle of Okinawa that that is what he is at the utmost proud on. Drew Brees is blindly about God and country, God and country. He can't see past his view of God and country, and he always talks about what he calls. The four FS say family football. This is a Ph philanthropy and to his credit is given lots of money. The Katrina obviously unknown. He's given a lot of his time to charity. We we know that right and drew brees has been I'm going to underline has been one of the most popular quarterbacks in the history of this. Is that fair to say I believe he has been? Mistaken he won. NFL Walter Payton. Two thousand six. It's been a while, but he did win that or okay. We get that. But now we get to. I think he was asked a question. I could be wrong about this. Because I kept seeing his answer, but I'm not exactly sure the question right, but I think the original question was about. How would you feel if players? This coming season resurrected? What Colin Kaepernick started four years ago. Was the pioneer trailblazer not as he decided I to sit for the anthem, then to kneel for the anthrax. How would you feel drew brees? Brees and he gave the answer that hit all your hottest buttons. which is I will never that was the to us I will never agree with anybody disrespecting the flag of the United States of America so what he's telling you is that he feels justice strongly about disrespecting the flag as the black community feels about the murderous disrespect, with which you have been treated for hundreds of years, or or at least this century by policemen in this country, right? So I thought we had all moved past the original. Shock and concern about wait a second Colin. Wait this is? This is the national anthem, but that was that was four years ago right and that was my initial thought. What are you doing because I didn't know what the point was I first? Until he so eloquently and clearly laid it out for us. Yes, this is about the continuous murders of unarmed black men and women by white policemen. That's it that is his -cause and he thinks it's such a dire 'cause. It's so imminent, and it just keeps getting worse and worse. That was four years ago. We've seen out countless since then, but he was obviously way ahead of the curve four years ago to say I'm going to kneel during the I. Need America to please wake up! Open up your eyes and see our plight and our problem that you have had so eloquently discussed on this show right? He's way ahead of everybody and then the. The evil irony that. You brought up. Last week on the show that collins kneeling became a white cops kneeling on the neck of George Floyd for eight minutes and forty six seconds in broad daylight. You saw a murder committed so to me. A drew brees. Who's always been so careful? About saying and doing exactly the right thing so conscious of public run Aleisha. That that he feels so staunchly strongly about flag. The. Unifies all of drew. The black community is crying out for help. and. He steps into the breach of what is happening before our very eyes. I, believe much of White America just got woke I do I do I'm seeing an outpouring of younger. White America's at the protests. Yes, I'm still watching the protest most of them. The ones here in southern California yesterday and You keep using the word droves. They are coming out more and bigger drove yes. Yes and I'm seeing more and more younger white people. Right there with their black brothers and sisters. They're trying trying say we're here for now. What can we do right well is in ears or as open to help me out. I think there is open as they've ever been from younger. White America by believe so and so the next thing you have to do. Is You have to go? Vote Right, August? Okay, but the point is. What has been the unifying. Flashpoint for this country. It's that Video Shannon. I've been around for a while in all my years I'm getting goosebumps talking about it I have never seen as vile and evil video data video I. Don't Know How many times I've washed at least a dozen. and. I think I've hit the point of no return. But I also think that video has become a turning point for this contract. Because this is just me, I'm old enough to Dabbagh a feeling for this. For many years. Black men were lynched in this country Back into the previous two centuries. Throughout the nineteen hundred to maybe the sixties gray were lynched across the southern part of this country. Yes. That video to me was as close to a public lynching I again I. Don't have video of any of those lynchings. Pictures of the black men hanging from the trees, but I don't have the video I got to see. The modern day equivalent to me of a lynching in that George Floyd's neck is pinned to the ground. He's basically being publicly lynched again. I'm probably overstating. I get as motion almost motionless as you do about this and for eight minutes and forty six seconds for the last two fifty three. He's dead. Right and instill I see. A brazen arrogant, white man with his hands in his pocket, just crushing with his knee the neck of this man. It's like a concrete lynching to me on the contest. Okay, this is this is the breach into which drew brees just step. He stepped in it right and whether it's. Willful ignorance or how he? He doesn't get what just happened to this country, it could be a watershed moment. It could be a tipping point where finally. People enough people die of races besides the black unit, but suddenly you have some sympathetic eyes and ears around this country. I don't think you've ever had before. And now a prominent white player. And again the black community been crying out for pleased Tom Brady. Please Aaron Rodgers. Aaron's always been great about this unbelievable. Your what he's asking? Yeah, it was never about that. It wasn't their new. Is that now? He's been tremendous about your biggest supporter of superstar. Your quarterback, yes! Yet here's for me. What crystallized the moment yesterday? The receiver who caught a record number of passes lecture NFL record number from drew. BREES is named. Michael Thomas Right he posted one line on twitter. Just one line that just galvanized everything for me and he says about drew. brees but everybody knew he's talking about. He don't know enough to know he don't know enough to know right. You just said that and many more words powerful words. He don't know enough to know okay. It's as simple as that now. Jenkins his new teammate knows drew brees not as a teammate, but just as a competitor. Before. They were. I'm sorry. Drafted by that's a good point, but he's just now joining the saints, so we're going to see how that works out. When they actually go to camp in virtual ends and camp begins to your point. We'll see how this plays, but. But it took Malcolm Jenkins to. He couldn't help me down the first video because he was just over emotionally overreacted a little bit, but then he posted a couple of more. And he nailed it because he's saying drew. Unfortunately you. Are Part of the problem. Yes, you are. Because I've known a lot of men like drew brees. Could argue this country was founded on men like. Right now with that same point of view it's it's bullheaded. It's blind. It's God and country. Still the thing is is that if you notice in last night at nine o'clock? To go outside with a flashlight, and I ended up doing it eight minutes and forty six seconds, and I think when it crystallizes. If you think about it, trying, hold your breath. For a minute two minutes three minutes for four minutes, and if you go into a court, rules scale in order to to to grasp the attention of the jury. Sometimes, they were think they would mass murder. If I can't remember I, don't know if it would not. But still they took thirty three pitch of of the young man that he had killed and each one by one they throw him in a whole because he had built bear them into crawlspace, and you could see the jewelry. That's about this one that thirty three, so now when you count one minute. Two minutes and the. The attorney's GonNa say okay guys I would. If you got to watch on what? It is I want you to send it to eight minutes and forty three seconds. I don't want you to say a word and I don't want you to breathe. Hold. Your breath is as long as you can a realize what this man was going to get. It was A. It was not instantaneous. It was painful. Drew Not to understand what Colin Kaepernick trying to bring attention to. He was never trying to disrespect to play. He was never trying to disrespect the military, although the military had disrespected a lot of like man skip, it wasn't until nineteen forty eight with. With Truman signed executive order ninety nine, eighty, one in which he did segregated the military. So in other words, the military that you were barely speak of has been very disrespectful for the Black Man. Gi Bill when he came home and blacks were supposed to be allowed to get money. It's about nine home. That wasn't how it happens. The metal that bay fought for one for bravery and valor and heroism. They didn't get those they had to fight for. Those medal posthumously meaning, they got the wow was. White man with coming home and get metal out the metal metal and drew them how things that the flag is supposed to mean the exact same thing for black men and white man, when this country has never been defiant point, black man white man drew. What country do you live in? You live in a country that has afforded you privileges in luxury that the black man has never been afforded and received, and you so set in your ways that you will unwilling skip. I'd have rheumatoid demand demand that can't see isn't the blindness is the one that chooses not to see drew brees true chooses to make this about the flag as opposed to the plight of the on on black men and women being killed in Samarra. That's what he wants to make it about because he doesn't WanNa talk about it. And he still I don't care. They used some big. I mean if you notice when Malcolm Drink I used to respect you. Used fast ten Yup. Some called him ignorant. Emmanuel Santa just got the shaking my head ignorant. Mice Hamas as you mentioned. Around the League Lebron James Weighty Wow man. Without the he told you it was not about the flag. You still make about the flag skilled in this my bills give even if you felt that way, why would do verbalize it in this climate at this moment, not now agreed. Okay back to your original. You were one of the great leaders in the history of this league, yes. You also told me that many times you had to play alongside a Manu was at heart racist, or maybe who's politics or did the line with? Did Not allow. and. At some point, you have to give it up. You have to make peace with it, and you have to go to battle with him. Just because that's just the circumstance under which teams are bill right right right? Okay now we're talking about the leader of the team. The face of the franchise up Pantheon quarterback by the way. Has All the records all over every record belongs drew brees, completions yards, touchdown passes he. He leads in every category all time. So now it's that guy attempting to to receive the lead of the team through an apology and I'm sure there'd be more verbals more calls. Be made to again. He called Malcolm yesterday. You probably call them back and try to work through it again after things calmed down right, but you're saying your gut. Feeling is right now. The team unity has been cracked yeah. You can't let fix the CRA- absolutely. Okay, give I I believe say all the possible thing. WE'RE GONNA rally behind this and all that, but they will. They will never look at read the same because skip. If I'm hurting if I'm crying the most. This is not the time to abandon me. This is not the time for you to interject and says well still if I'm crying I'm hurt. You can't come to me and talking about what man I broke my foot two. I'm hurting to grow. And that's what he is. He made. His call may disrespecting the Flag Kurtz me just as much as on black men and women getting killed in America's trove unreal drew. Well so in the big picture will. This damages his legacy. Get does. They're gonNA. Bring the remains get. He I don't think to the extent of tie COBB, but you cannot mentioned ty Cobb. Yeah, he has the highest lifetime batting average. Yes, he win the triple crown. Yes, he was, he won what nine batting time, but you can't. You can't say that without saying the other part of his legacy and people will remember what drew. Re said in twenty twenty. Yeah, he might have all the records, but man you remember when drew was so insensitive to the plight of the black man when he had an opportunity to. Help Yup I hear you. Back to undisputed foxsports, NBA analyst Stephen Jackson is joining us now from Minneapolis Steven. You were extremely close to George. Floyd you have been incredibly strong throughout all of this for George just family, just your strength, and doing all these interviews and being on the ground in Minneapolis just want to check in about your emotions today ahead of the memorial service in Minneapolis. That day. I'm thinking more about gee-gee rocks and and. That's what mom also mark is it? It's be a tough for a couple of days and. Just trying to be stroke day for the Bentley. I'm saying the GT Roxie the. It'd be song. I'm thinking. Of. Trumpeting Stacks, you've been Minnesota basically the last the last ten days, and so, how is the mood? What's the tone like in Minnesota? Yesterday today compared to what it was over the last three to four days. You. He's. And say and city, not just happy with those guys get arrested they the same hurt and the same Ashen as And what they on one thing is. Saving Time on TV I've got a lot love. Minnesota may because they reach on by was right here and I'm writing to find him and appreciate everything they've done in Minnesota but the virus live here. They with the by here. We're GONNA keep going until we get just. So Steven. How did the family and those close to? It feel about the upgraded charges to second degree murder against their CHOVANEC. In. The aiding and abetting charges against the other three policemen. Is the right direction, but you know. Give? Your knowing local Dixon's. We won't guys in jail. We won't guys being jailed and the design where trade one of us as plants. Rock inside. Parked We just WANNA be fair We want to treat them this at any other black man for murder and let's just. Get it not all. Stacks, but as Jenny alluded to earlier, you were very close to George. Do you think George ever thought that he would be the rallying cry he might be. The watershed moment would get changed with. Bring about change in America. I doubt trust me he. Has Bite Vaginas David David's, he would. Then with his brother Milton Aguas every day, and he said. He said. Tom. When they John you're GONNA get. Another beat his way, read his whole family on. The daughter might regard change walking the world I G, G says so even predicted this, but he definitely would have wanted. Stephen. Don't WanNa make too much of this, but you have talked about how you and George were like twins quote unquote twins because you look so much alike. Just mentioned. You've been there now since basically the start for ten days. Do you feel like you almost had to sort a stand in for George? To become part of George for the family's sake for the daughter's sake for everybody's sake, just just you're there now as the twin brother. I think. This situation have been devastated. If I want step gun. Stepped up. To be gotta get it. that. I don't think. It you know, I don't think the world would would have got behind it like they got. Behind is a lot of people that love these, and it's a lot of people that know out of everybody. And I think it's more people that love everybody, the more people that hate and every once in skill Dr Bring, somebody around. Save this bike on the dog. Another stay and it'd be good. We don't get these things. Away so I think he's told me to try to get things right love everybody in the whole open people about. Stakes when you look at the protest is going around in America. And I thought when we talk skipping I. had this conversational Monday I thought the temperature was going to come down. The protests will start to dissipate, but they're growing in size. If you look at what's going on in New York, you look at what's going on the LA in San. Francisco in some of these other communities. Communities yes, there, there's no more I. don't see the rioting in the looting that was going on, but the bottom of people that are coming out and saying justice for join no justice, no peace, the people that are getting arrested showing their support says we sincerely won't change in America. Did you anticipate that it would grow Bisbee and would be able to sustain itself for this loan? Not all no I predicted this but I. Understand why there's so many cases where we never got. Jack Its told me people hurting is so many people at then on a salad? Right so many people that stand on the side of love, and and and and I think that's. Are Tire, everybody everybody around the world that loves everybody came together, and this is the first time sounded that all these days protest at the same time. This is the first time so. This dishes To donate is everybody's saying the same thing. We just everybody Sammy want everybody to be treated bad so. THAT UP LEAVE! So Stephen help us out here. Have you heard anything about Derek Show Ven- the COP who murdered obviously George Floyd having crossed paths with George before because as we now all know CHOVANEC was. He worked security at a nightclub for about seventeen years he would sit outside and his police cruiser out in the parking, lot of the nightclub, and for the last year George Floyd worked inside security. Is it possible they had crossed? Has Is it possible they had an incident or had any previous animosity or bad blood? Because this might come up in the trial? Have you heard anything from any of the insiders or the family? About any conflict? They might have had in the past. No no I have is I heard they were going to sink club, and it's kind of hard work at the same club. Not See each other. At any project with me, floyd is like his. was talking. Personal, you know I. It's so many central wasted video whooping. Brother we know, look personal especially when they were walking when the? News. Tracks was knees. That's the sign of no. I WANNA go. I know which are to do to the weather. Wasn't we've landed at this dropped to his knees. He knew what was going on. And I hope everything comes out. Skip, but trust me. I'm getting more because I'm here. I'm here doing my own investigation because. Back, heel any kind of way. That's what I'm GONNA do. Were brought you to be commended and I. Look the thing. Is that your relationship that you had with George? There's no doubt in my mind was on the other foot. He would be right there for you. And your family fighting trying to lead the charge for change, so I commend you stack this unbelievable job what you've done, you should be proud I not proud of the moment, but proud of what you've been how you've been able to handle this situation. And hopefully this is the watershed moment. Hopefully, this is the thing that brings about change that we get treated fairly that in America that we're. American citizens and we're treated just like our counterparts nothing more nothing last. August. I seen. We love you around here. We're going to be thinking about you today. Thinking about Georgia's family, the image of gee-gee on your shoulders is what I'm GonNa be picturing specifically today we just WanNa. Thank you for joining us. broncos head coach Vic. Apologized yesterday after saying that he did not see racism in the NFL Fangio said that after discussing it with players and other coaches, he realized he had made a mistake, and he should have been more clear with his comments so Shannon. Do. You like his apology. I do I'm glad he apologized. Skip I. Don't know coach Fangio. All I know is he coached the Denver Broncos so I don't know him like I would know Mike Shanahan. One of my previous coaches on a Dan Reeves way built O'Brien billy, but I think it was the right thing to do and see a lot of times. This is the problem because it has not happened to them. They don't really what it didn't happen. It doesn't exist you see the the locker. Rooms are microcosm of society so therefore if there's racism in society in the. In the locker room is a microcosm of. Shouldn't it be exist skipped? Something just happened just a week ago. The Rudy Room. They added you had to interview. More minorities were that about. The adage that blacks can't be quarterbacks because they can't process information fast enough. They can't think on their feet. Were that about talent? What was that about? Come on coach, Fangio. Because you have not experienced. Something does not mean it does not exist, and I think the thing is. Is that you know yes? The players talked to him I'm not don't need to get into. Specifics but fact some of his black players were very upset that he said what he said. Now is not the time for you to say well. The locker room is a safe haven knows not. I think the difference. This skipped it between Locker Room in society. Is that Locker Room? People generally go for the same common goal and I'm willing to overlook some of the things because winning the Lombardi seems to be more important, but what guys are seeing now what we're starting to see from a lot of athletes now especially. In the two thousands, is that not only? Are they morally conscious? Gotten so, they're like yeah. We WanNA win the super. Bowl but we don't want on black made women getting killed in the street fighter, so there's a difference now skip because we understand in the sixty skilled at the height of the civil rights. There were a lot of blacks that was willing to take. Take on certain issues, but the money from endorsements was not nearly like give. You got guys making fifty sixty seventy eighty million dollars in endorsement and gather like willing. I won't care. That's wrong and I'm GONNA. Speak out against it so I'm glad coach. Fangio he apologized I hopefully now will his actions back up his apology, because a lot of times giving this issue. Okay, here you go, and that doesn't match up with things that it should show that you are apologetic. Argue sincerely policy of sorry that you said what you said. Are you doing it because of the backlash that came with it? Only time will tell, but I am glad that he issued apology. And hopefully he has some teepee, and he'll put his put his actions to wear words are. So to your point about the Rooney, rule! The painful irony. Of Vic, fangio's initial comment is that to me from my point of view. He is in some ways a product of the racism that still exists in the national. Football League yes. At Age Sixty. He's now sixty one, but at age sixty, he got hired. By John, Elway to be the head coach of the Denver Broncos. They had just had for two years younger, African American head coach Vance Joseph who started at forty, five and coach, forty, five and forty six. Yet. As, we just saw in the recent. Cycle. We struck out and we're down to Mike, Tomlin Anthony Lynn Brian Floors and I'm pretty sure my missing anybody I think that's that's all. That's left African American. Ron Rivera minority gate, so we got four, but we have three African American. Thirty two teams. It's not good enough and again to your point, there was a movement afoot. How can we fix this? And some of the black coaches were split Tony Dungy. Expert coaches were split about this. John My friend, who Brandon Rooney rule for years. He was four some sort of incentive based. He said we went from penalizing to. Let's try incentives. Whatever like it's desperation? Desperation at this point to try to fix the problem right we'll. We'll FANGIO got a job at age sixteen. It was his first head coaching jobs as he paid a lot of dues. We give them that worked as white star. In Nineteen ninety-four assistant coach with the saints worked his way up the ladder, so it wasn't like he just came from nowhere. Like a guy named Matt rule who just sort of came from nowhere Baylor and all sudden. He gets a whole lot of money to coach. The Carolina Panthers after he coached at Temple and Baylor or cliff teams book. Boy who was sub five hundred? College coach. That's a good one. So Again That's tone deaf to me. You were famous. Will I don't see any racism and look I'll give him this in you I think. Agree with the point we have come. A long way in the locker was a time. We're not just black quarterbacks. Black players did not get the same opportunity. I'm going back aways. Not Get the same opportunity to win jobs as widely. Blacks were not allowed to play in the NFL. Okay did it wasn't Hillcrest Marsha told. The rents gets Washington that if you don't have them, you're not playing in DC. That those your choice. Of candidate that choice one on the team or you're not playing here True, okay and Bobby Mitchell was that guy. And, I've told you. WORKED OUT HERE AT? The L. A. Times back in the seventies. They sent me for a whole week to grambling university. Do a long story on a young man by the name of Doug Williams and I thought he was going to go really high in the draft like top five. Maybe even top one because I thought he was good enough to be the first. First pick in the draft and he was good enough I'd be the first overall pick and I've made my calls around some of the GM's I knew at the point at that point, all obviously white and one very prominent. Gm told me he does not have the mental capability to make it in our league. Really. Do you see what he's doing? Graham exactly? He was the first black quarterback to win a super bowl, obviously for the redskins and he remains prominent in this League Doug Williams so. that. That was a long time ago. Nineteen seventy seven, so we have come like you would agree with the black quarterback. We've come a long way. Absolute Black quarterbacks are getting their opportunities I'm sure there's some cases where maybe they don't. But sometime we still get an opportunity to get where you know. You want us to position Lamar Jackson. Better receive. They would never do that. Right B. Jalen hurts. He went through the idea of. Could you play running back? No no I'm a quarterback. Okay so. Again Vic Fangio. I think he, he showed his tone deafness his sort of blindness. Right because he's sitting in a chair right now that that may be a black coach should be sitting in, and that's no disrespect to him. He's he's highly respected as a defensive mind, but but he got a job as an older defensive mind. He's not even a young cliff Kingsbury. ofensive Guru type. Then you can say well. That's sort of the sheep. Think of the NFL higher, the hot young White, Guru right on the. Guy That Guy Right we'll. Fangio wasn't even that guy right and he got the head coaching job of of a team that has been around for a while. It's it's a covered job, and it's still a very good football team. And he got that job and not another young black coach. Okay, okay, but I'm not saying that he doesn't deserve job. Maybe he did deserve the job. Maybe he deserved to opportunity. Maybe he's paid his dues, but to say there's no racism in the NFL when Colin Kaepernick without have gone without a job. What would that about right and you can certainly speak to this? And I don't know specific people, but I promise you. There are racists playing Yes for the national football. They're racist place. Yes, you know there are, of course we. We hear it all the time. The inward gets used. During you know the stress of battle, the NFL by white players to black, the thing I'll be I'll be honest. I've never heard that I've heard you know we call each other. Obviously, we call each other but I think they've cleaned that up where you'll get a fine if you were to say something like that but it's hard for me to believe as you say, it's gift if If there if we are a microcosm of society, because think about it, you bring in guys from different religion and background, socio, economic backgrounds, or all that kind of stuff in that exists out there in the world, so I guess once you come into the locker room. Disregard all of that. No Ono it'll be, it would be foolish and disingenuous to say that into believe that but look. I think the thing is. Is that once? He and he said it was. He talked to somebody who has players and coaches. He realized the mistake that he had made it to say there's none. There's none. Like look either made it from my and like he has the second time around in my experience. Yeah. Racism you have to be in a position win? Have you ever encountered a black imposition to happen to commit racism against you? Raised a little bit about the killed about. Believed that because of your color? I'm better than you are. Where ever been provision is? I got you would. Have had controls. And? That's what the systemic kids. So I'm glad coach Fangio apologize. I was very disappointed when he said what he said I've talked to a couple of the players on the broncos. They were very disappointed, but they had a call with him and. Hopefully they. Worked everything out. Maybe it's a time of learning. You're listening learning. You Know I. Think Sometimes. Everybody wants to have a comment on something, and they speak without really thinking about what's about. They're about to say, and it comes out, and then you have to realize you a statement. Yeah, it's okay. Look what what happened to George. Floor was horrible and we want justice, and I stand with my player, and leave it at that once you start trying to enter Jay where there's no racism in the NFL is meritocracy. There's no racism. On a podcast Tuesday Steve Kerr seahawks head coach Pete Carroll said we owe a tremendous amount. Kolon Catherine when he started his protests Shannon. Do you appreciate what he said here? Saying that when he did. He had had Colin Kaepernick in. He didn't mention anything about football. He talked about you know what was going on the protests and guess what they did. They signed the Great Austin Davis. So now, all of a sudden ex post facto. Oh, he's to be commended. Why didn't you commend them? You needed a backup quarterback. Why didn't you turn? Now you want us to give you were saying about cap. He's to be commended for what he was doing. He wasn't saying that then. So why you say now because if you remember is the. Only go! You can't go wrong. Better Justice for Jordan. We need to end the stemming racism and institutional racism. You can't go wrong now. Be Couches jumped on the bandwagon. That's all he did was pulling nobody because when you can't right before you. You didn't talk about football during talk about the no go drawing on the board and when you cares little skip if I'm not mistaken in two thousand eighteen. We wouldn't give assurance that he wouldn't take the again true, so he's to be commended. And commended him when you had him in your office for a visit. You. That is better than twenty eighteen. When he wouldn't give you sure as he wouldn't take a knee now you won't praise now. You say we should pat cap the back when you slam the door and cap space Bam. Miss me this. No, no, no coudl gets nothing I'm Shannon. So to your point. They did bring Colin Kaepernick to Seattle. As I recall, and I think you heard this from one of your sources that he thought he was going to work out for the SEAHAWKS. And nothing happened. No, he did not even suit up in practice gear to go out and throw the football. He Directorate. So. What was it about then? Were they just sort of helping the League out by saying? We're going to have him in for a visit. Just to say what somebody did something right? Tried then the NFL network. Maybe you should take this with those grains of salt. They reported. It was all about money that they were quote Unquote Star Apart on how much Colin was asking for that? The seahawks did not want to pay at that point. Mike Florio to his credit on profootballtalk shot that down, and said for his sources, not about money at all. They've never talked about money. No, they never talk about never talked about football anything related to football. It was about Work Colin. Kaepernick was doing the protest. And that is what they talked about so many never even came up. So at that point. Pete. Carroll did speak out about. Look. Colin Kaepernick is a starter in this league and he will be starter in this league I. Think he was trying to say between the lines we don't really need is starter here because we have a starting quarterback Russell, Wilson, who had been under fire, because that locker room had decided that he was the quote unquote. Pet of peak. Carol Coaching Staff, and you know they'll flash point of the SEATTLE. Seahawks as we do in love. Love Them. The Legion of boom was that flashpoint moment of do we handed the beast mode. Do we throw it right career and I think a lot of the players on the defensive side of the ball decided. They wanted to make Russell the MVP of the Super Bowl. Let him throw it from the was at the one yard. Yeah, okay, and was that not the beginning of the end. It would never be the same gets. Your team. As a matter of fact, signed as backup, a guy that was a starter. A guy is good enough to start. Oh, now he signed the guy. True In parts because we're not sure we're going to have our other guy. That's what you want it, yeah! Benny Perfect beautiful. Go to the Super Bowl so if you get these games like this, he's not in our. He's been there done. I thought that's what team wanted. They want experience at the backup quarterback vision. But not this time, okay, but in that case, Russell Wilson was feeling some heat in so Florio on Profootballtalk, his final point was. Was it that they didn't WanNa have an inhouse option like a real option, right? In case he started to struggle, and all of a sudden bluebirds came out and said wait a second. Where are we headed here with Russell Wilson this is back in twenty seventeen. Remember some of the guys. Michael Bennett sherm wanted them to side captured day very outspoken about yes, so if you sign cap and many of the defensive players are fans of him in Russell, does have an off game. What happens all the sudden? Do you have? Some clashing in the locker right? Probably do so. I think it's I think this P. Carols decision I don't know if it was the GM's or the owners. I don't know how how high up it went, but for all the reasons you just detailed. They said thanks, but no thanks very quickly and didn't even let him go so far as to work out for them, Grit just to prove what what he had been well. We know to that point. He'd thrown. Seventy. Two touchdown passes in this league to only thirty interceptions. Pretty. That's pretty good man that sounds like. Better than starting quarterback that sounds like a quarterback who got the forty niners to two straight NFC, championship games and one of them, and came within a controversial uncalled pass interference winning the Super Bowl right. Okay, that's how great he was. Maybe maybe not. I'm not going to great I'll go out very good. He had been to that point right very good right and all the sudden. He gets one look from one team. That seems phony Baloney Right. It doesn't seem like it was really happening at all is almost give. How do the the minority coaches where the interview mar? The interview that knowing good where you're not. You. Know what we'll do this we'll. We'll bring him in and we'll take a look at it. We're not gonNA. Talk Football skip. How am I going to go? Look at I want to go buy a car, but I go to the dealership I. Talk Everything exempt cars. Your wife, do it. Yeah, yeah, where you go to school there ain't nobody carbon I go into the back. Shooting the breeze talking about everything else except the car. It's always show. You A guy in their football team. You player then to talk football. Okay, let's see what. You. WanNa throw you WANNA work out. Okay, sure. That's what normally happens. I mean I've been a lot of. Play fourteen years bid at a facility Tuesday and they bring a Lotta guys. And Guy Getting dressed to go out there. Run for anything. They throw the cashpoint they can't. You A guy in there to see him down in the office and talk and not talk football. You'll football team. Normally. Football teams talk football so. I'm not giving Pete Crate. skit remember everybody's all the right things about cap now in which these various same people appraising capital what he did, then they didn't praise him then they praise him now. That's easy for you to say because it. You know all may get what can also cap. Where were you? Yep, you went talking about camp doing a great thing. Talking about how device if it was? A. Peaceful protest you don't. We've got to make a peaceful dot. The king peaceful even get hit upside his head. He was still peaceful. Carlin cabinet with peaceful. Well, first of all is not the right time is not the right place. And how do you want me to protest? Because dinner is? Somebody would tell you what to do with it. He'll do they tell you to do things. That's lease uncomfortable for them. I want you make me uncomfortable I mean. Were protest at home. And be quiet. You know yeah, no I, understand slavery I. Know You're paying your suffering but I know you'll hurt, but don't cry too long. As long enough. You Cry Mulmino. You craft, but now you've got. Oprah got Michael Jordan. Doing well get Obama? Get. Even Mitch McConnell nobody complaining about the head Obama for eight years like that makes up another four hundred years so for three hundred ninety two years. So. That'd be the eight years that we have President Obama that makes up man stop. But y'all moves me now. Steve Kerr has been on the rise out of his. Grave probably has been on the rise out of history now everybody would have revisionist history. They don't want to have his story. They don't want history to. Spell to save with different. What is written by one of the actual problem Article V as they happen? Right now. Trying to tell his story. Now Pete we to do that. Breath you miss. Your opportunity has to chat. You chose not to not just keep it moving. But we appreciate. We appreciate you. Bring attention to this you to get. Don't mention cat. If you WanNa, just talk about the plight of the black man killing of black men and women. At the hands of police on arm have added. Don't mention cap because you blew that. So maybe I'm being idealistic here but I've told you before numbers say it again. I am hoping that George Floyd did not get murdered in vain. I'm hoping this is a turning point moment in the history of this country, and I'm also hoping that Colin. Kaepernick did not sacrifice the rest of his NFL career in vain right, and it's doing my heart good to see a Lotta Kapernick jerseys at the protests, so it's come full circle to await. He he was. He was really right, so we're. We're seeing a groundswell that direction and to your point. Carol jumped on the ground swell. Yes, okay. We, this is enough. This is not anything new because think about what happened when Dr King. Came never had a ninety percent approval rating when he was alive. He was one of the books despise man in America. Now everybody buddy quoted they put in cliffs up and just like Oh man Dr King the king. Made like man. I wish I love me like this. Because I've I probably still alive. All love me like Y'all love me right now, she. skipped windows going on. What would Dr King's they? What would McCain do? I know y'all kill him so I'll know what he would do. I don't know what he would say. He'd been around the Ted you. What did we do what we could have done what he would say? In an interview with Yahoo, finance drew. brees said he could quote. Never agree with anybody disrespecting the flag of the United. States of America, free said he stands with his teammates for their fight for equality, but also that he stands with family members who have served in the military freeze, also gained harsh criticism for many athletes including teammates Michael Thomas and Malcolm Jenkins freeze did issue an apology this morning on instagram and skip just want to start with you. Were you surprised by these comments made by drew brees. Janine Shannon. I was not surprised. I believe that yesterday drew. brees showed you his true colors. Yet. As you know Shannon Sharpe. When it comes to talking black and white, black versus white. There's always this slippery slope of gray area in between very very difficult slippery slope. Drew brees for me falls into the greatest of the gray area. Do I believe that at heart drew. BREES is a racist. No, I don't I don't know that for a fact, but I don't. Do I think he has a racial blindspot. Yes, I do, and I've always thought that. You have to look at where he came from and how he was raised in Austin, Texas affluent side of town. Father a prominent trial attorney mother also an attorney. He loves to say that both his grandfathers which I know just pushes your deepest hottest button. Both of my grandfathers fought in World War Two served in World War Two one fought at the battle of Okinawa. Okay, we get that drew. But in the end drew brees blindly I underscore blindly loves God and country. It's all about the flag drew. Breeze feels just as strongly about respecting the flag of the United States of America as the black community has always felt about the sometimes murderous disrespect shown them. By law enforcement in the United States of America. Black. People are a backbone of this country and always have been, and finally for the maybe the first time ever. It's just hard to quantify because it's happening so quickly, but we see people of all colors coming out by the thousands for these protests that seem to be growing by the day ten days after the murder. Why because younger White America is saying. We just got woke. We're with you. We're here to do all we can for. You're not sure what to do. Except vote, you involve right. But drew. BREES is from the older school. And drew brees staunch Republican. An arch conservative is cut from the same cloth. Many of the NFL owners have always been cut for in. It is blindly patriotic he. He's not ignorant to what you're doing right now. He's not your plight, he he's. He's not completely unaware. But he is insensitive because nothing. If I may use this word, trump's the flag of the United States of America right? It's all about that to a fault so I loved the one line. From the receiver caught a record number of passes last year an all time record. Michael Thomas drew brees. He summed it up for me yesterday with one line on twitter twitter and did not even have to use. The name drew brees. He just simply tweeted. He don't know enough to know. Okay, he don't. Know, doesn't in the end. But like it's, it's just not in there because it's never quite been in there for him to have any sensitivity to this so I. I'm not surprised at all that that he stepped right into the breach blindly right into the bridge of a flashpoint moment. I think for the United States of America. I mean correct me if I'm wrong. I feel like we hit a turning point watershed. Game Changer we're everybody is suddenly lists at least listening. Is Open is an open ear to. All Yeah. This keeps happening to the black community. They are really suffering, and it was because of the most vile and evil video I'm believe I've ever seen in my life. I to watch a black man. Get murdered in broad daylight. Era, gently brazenly by a police officer with his in his pocket, smugly with the the Neon, the neck. Just the way Colin Kaepernick had neon ground during the anthem as you pointed out. On the neck and it was the equivalent to me of a modern day lynching. That's how it came across to me. That was a concrete lynching of a black man. In broad daylight right before your very eyes knowing full well, there are several people around just videotaping. Oh, you didn't care no watch this watch what I'm about to pull off here. Eight, minutes and forty six seconds, but the last two minutes and fifty three seconds. The black man was dead, so he had to rub it in because he's deceased on the concrete that's it and drew brees without any sensitivity just stepped right into the middle of that. And it was like wait a second. I I didn't what did I do were were they say oh I'm getting this backlash. I. Don't really get it I guess I'd better apologized. Any did and it comes across. He wrote it well. We get that but I. Don't think my partner Shannon. Sharpe was convinced by the apology, but I will hand the ball to you know of. Skill did you know Tuesday drew brees on his instagram played had made blackout Tuesday needed. to any quoted Nelson Mandela. They all quotes. But skill does do drew realize the flag is supposed to be a representation of what America stands for what it's supposed to be what it should be drew. Ask yourself this. Is America. For you? The same or black man? Probably not. was drew with study history like you said that new ones playbook because they know that front was embattled, but for him to save. My grandfather served in. World War, two light black men. In World War Two and did not get the freedoms of returning. Bet His grandfather got although they may berry similar sacrifices. Do forgot that part. I just. When when people say disrespecting the flag. burning. Stepping on I thought the desecration of the flag was disrespect. I had no neely disrespectful. I did. But. They made it that they made it about the military. They made it about the flag. They made it about the because. If if I could make it about everything else except the subject you want to talk about. I can shift the narrative, but no, because there's enough people they don't want to talk about their. Yeah, he respecting the flack about grandfather, my great GRANDPA, the fault and all these ward. Yeah, guess what everyone from Princeton India war guilt, because here's the thing about the military. What people don't know? Let me give you a little education. The reason why and a lot of wars, they didn't want to all black, because they say well hold on, what if the freedom that we're asking them to fight the enemy Bay pickup. Those are the bulk of freedom against us. We're arming them to fight against now. Let's go fight for my freedom. I want you to go to fight for Mass Tom Freedom now. When you win, you come back is not going to be my slave again. Drew, you do realize they had the flag. Then flag has never represented truly what America was supposed to be. Because men and women in America were treated like that was supposed to be especially, black and women drew wide dates. And Business. The one thing I want to say skip drew for the first time in about fifteen years. Is Not about you in how you feel. We're asking you to put yourself in the position of a black man. Can feel how he yeah. That's what this is about, and that's what we're something because we've been. We've been banging our heads. We're asking our town apart just for one second for one moment. Put yourself in our position in then. But the he he doesn't want to, because then if he wants to do that. Hold on y'all don't get treated like we do. y'All have the same. All the same rights and privileges in education healthcare employment like we do the flag the flag I. Dare you disrespect the flag I'm going to stand on the principle of the flag. Although the flag, the representation of what America should be was supposed to be is not that, but I just WanNa. Stand on his scale. Because you know our anymore to see, we're talking about it. Ain't that bad. Yummy you in the NFL you make money. And that's what they think if a few doing why you care about everybody else. Because that's called empathy. In sometime that should be an stars. You know there's a guy at the top that has no empathy that refuses to show empathy. That reviews the say I'm sorry, or I was wrong and a lot of drew brees it. She joins the problem skill if people liked drew. That refuses to. will ignorant. He's a very intelligent man. Skip criteria that playbook. Get your deep. They're going to do this. Oh, did they do that? We're going to do this all that, but to say that because his grandfather's in World War Two a lot of it for the revolutionary war to go look at. Washington crossing the Delaware they got. Moat! They've waived us. Some, even because he adds the slave and the free. And the problems that we win y'all can be free. And guess what happens, get when they won. They weren't tree. What it be I thought you told me I was going to be free. If I help you win, if I fight for your freedom, your freedom because five plus they will fight for their freedom. They were fighting for Mess Hall Freedom. They helped Tom we the amounts the Tom. Put it right back into slavery. The flag we just fly to. Do I can't believe you. I cannot believe you L. Blackout Tuesday we stay at. United is giving you there. The pitch I think it was twenty seventeen. He's kneeling out nearly with my brothers against police brutality all the while season but I hate I can't believe this. I don't want to do this, but I gotta do it. Because everybody else was doing it. See let them let somebody speak long enough. They'll tell you they'll tell you. Explain is true exactly who is what they are. Yup, and it's Malcolm. Jenkins concluded in one of his videos last night. Drew all this talk about quote Unquote Brotherhood is a bunch of BS. Yes, okay, so he's talking about Brotherhood in the locker room with his black teammates. Friend until you till I till I need it also your home so drew spoke of in his initial quotes about this about how unifying it is for everybody to put their hand over their heart during the national anthem. Okay. What what he failed to grasp is now. The most unifying moment I've experienced in my fairly lengthy lifetime has been the murder of George Floyd in the. I'm seeing people of all colors. Come out to support the Black Mardi by the thousand. I keep telling you I. Watch I watch all day I watched the protests. Most of these I'm watching in southern California, they're all over Los Angeles there. In every neighborhood, there's a giant rally giant demands peaceful demonstration. Through Hollywood in downtown, and they don't care about your curfew now. They don't care in fact defying the curfew in a great way. Yes, they're going to sit down in the middle of the street and say okay. Arrest me dry. Okay, we'll rest you. That's what you want. We'll process. You will quote Unquote Book You. By if that's what you WANNA do. Disperse you, there is a curfew right. Okay, so we we we see I I'm seeing again as a white guy. I keep looking up saying. I swear I'm seeing more white kids than black kids at the I am. This is revolutionary. This is. Potentially a game changer where the young the youth, the youth of America are having their eyes open in ways. My generation did not have its eyes open. How will that benefit the black community going forward? I don't know but I I liked the chances of a lot better than I've ever liked the chances of any other moment in the history of this country for the future of your community grit I like it better I like your I. Think Your Chances Just improve I i? Like it too infertile Obama. Obama spoke of this yesterday. He had a a virtual town hall. He was talking about this very different. He seems this seems very different that the people are more united. They're more galvanized and they want to see change, and they realize they are. They are the vehicle Beck and bring about change we. This is something like I say. As we talked about it on Monday I thought it was gonna like yeah, because normally I. Mean you go back and look at the history, Ryan. This is the low. Rise, but protests, they're normally a couple of days normally three or four days. But Nah here we are Thursday and it's so weird like ten eleven days out now kings three days, yes, yes, until the military came in and tanks and finally just shut it down riots right right and so what we're seeing is that we're seeing something that we have not seen I. Don't believe in American history, not in A. Scale you know what they still doing. The National Anthem Sale Concession. People be talking. Be Moving around going to the bathroom. Drug. Use stepped. He stepped in it. Okay, so summit up quickly. Going forward. How damaged his relationship with his football? Really. Fracture! There the big device. Boy He's GonNa. Have to do a lot to get it back but I'm telling you did not gonNA. Look at him to say they'll never at the same because skipped US folk I heart. Why are you apologizing that? How you sincerely failed drew brees tool smart of an individual not to know. But he's his principal. Is that flag? My grandfather's and they were the only ones that were there. Fighting or white may was. Fighting with ability. By Joining us now is rapper an activist killer. Mike, who told us in the commercial break? We should call him Michael on TV because his mom would appreciate it and. Michael! We are so so happy to have you and May I just say that your words to Atlanta last week we're moving and real and honest and people were listening and we just appreciate your time today. Thank you. Thank you appreciate. His, Migra Food Robert said. Call you by your government I'm. Michael you don't have. You and I talked purrs. Is Killing. You. You got the pulse of Atlanta you know everything that's going on in Atlanta. Good bad indifference! Tell me what the pulse in Atlanta, right now dealing with these protests in the killing floor. I I WANNA get shots out to small organizations that are doing great work. One Party is making sure kids stay saying families have stuff like full shelter on next level boys. Academy led by Gary. Davis says making sure young black men avoid jail time become better communicators with their families. In the New Georgia project making should equal out there protesting to the people who Nevada. Onion fields making sure they're getting rich to the boat. So after the protest after the after the rioting wail deserve to after that these kids belong to become organizers and these young people galvanize at the elections and pass the election. So that's what's going on. I wanted to just say from the street respected man I see everybody for the brothers the hang into the booth flight to the People Wash Georgia gang on Sundays. Political shows galvanizing together making sure that people have their rights are protected from arms just. When I talked to you I call you the other day. The riots and the protests rebellion whatever you WANNA call them. My broke out I called. You ask you how you doing. Tell me tale the people at home. What you told me would ask you. How were you? Out Sit out beat up. I was to feed air y'all. At writer, the ninety two so I understand and I know criticism about I just know that if you're from Georgia like Shannon and you know that Lanta. Places like Atlanta and Savannah uneven making he'd be places where blacks actually have opportunity and to see that the possibility that they made that that might of ear, whereas we on the ground people I meet two brothers, even like return. The younger brothers like little baby. Yesterday communities. We have the opportunity to do that and we lose Atlanta I feel black. Americans lost sight wanted. It's strong. Also hours defeated man, but I got a lot of encouragement you and others. And I appreciated didn't WanNa get on the podium and top at nothing in my positive in my mind, and say like say I just felt my heart and a bread. It resonated with equal is I think we have an opportunity in. In Atlanta and in Georgia to redefine race relations to redesign eket. What's economically say on rights until we decide political affiliations in with me in how they can be helped with the people that we have an opportunity to unite as a worker class, and make sure that our kids go into middle class, and also wealth graph families, and for our community and I think we sight of that. We lose it opportunity. We've lost it all. So Michael I. I read that your father was a policeman. Did that have any impact at all as a Kia? Elementary School you're dancing. Policeman, your dad, you hero I have a very brave, doesn't it was a hassle what Brett back and probably would have went on to play the one tour shoulder out trying to sell a hurt shoulder to become a teacher went to West. Georgia came out and swats landon. Now have another. To mandate down in these point so I am from a from a historical standpoint. Let me qualify. It wants time. We're black. People would not release by black people in Atlanta they hurt. They were murdered. They were on the police stood aside. Is Riots happened? We got an original eight at least in about sixty seven years ago. Those a policeman were not allowed to be armed. They will address the Ymca because people did not want to dress with people with black people, so we suffered a lot. Have some ownership of our community. We suffered a lot to be released. People look like us. You know we suffered so. I respect respectful officers by taking Williams the late great. Great I respect respect for officers like one of one of the one of the highest ranking officer Lee was a major major ball lit them. Respecting the understood are hardy, policeman in represent government steel may take your integrity of the black man so article you know so my my bad, and my cousins Autodata I could never do the job, but I'm not gonNA GONNA WANNA. Talk down on me, but I am was singled out bad behaviors. Bad Behavior Ryan apples ruin whole barrels in. It's time to cut out the cancer that is jeff sessions called White anglo-saxon Protestant history. If that is the way in this country, I remind everybody that leasing began was slake. So the joint floor protests. Are you surprised that the volume of what we're seeing because I remember ninety two hours in Savannah at the time, but I remember it didn't last as long as what we're seeing right now by this has gone on for eleven days, and although if is more peaceful, the size of grown and the volatility at night has a similar Dow. I heard a wise man say. His name, was skip banks. And skip when talking about the kneeling of Cabernet. said that white players were missing an opportunity to stand in solidarity with olive and Bright, the leverage that the NFL has over albeit. But instead of seeing this as a solidarity issue on players issue, they were doing it as a nationalistic issue as a racial issue and solidarity never happened so players in the NFL had never going to be treated as a dessert because. Slater Racial. Division kept them apart. I literally member being heartbroken when at one player decided to walkable tunnel is far when the team had decided to stay back over the past by the live coaching organization, so there's something genius. People magnified that out of football until. The reason that we have a ruling class in this country is because core people do not understand that tasks color racial divisions. We are all exactly the same, but that's changing, because those kids are out there in the streets of different colors entity in different religions understands that we started the same masters, the same exact corporations of our community the same exact. Exact rations are stealing education from our children with same exact rulers of us are making deals with those wounds that we deserve to be in an essay. Every police department to have an empowered citizens review board. Every city should make sure that thirty percent of their business flash asks if he's small and medium-sized business, it cannot just be national in corporate. Air Things that we can do to ensure that America remains a place of opportunity and those kids in suites data, doing things that are being accused of that. They're not actually doing some. Does is are the future. Understand that his US. They understand that the proletariat must. And they understand that movie as united tribes. Regardless of what we look like is the best the best looking this onto the unit. So your response to what drew brees said yesterday. My response I gave James. Show on another show and drew is tied to the whipping post and deservedly, so at this point, my response yesterday was even incredibly intelligent quarterback, said something stupid, but I need Americans to know. That this is taught to you all I'm talking to. I'm talking to White anglo-saxon. Protestant Americans yeah. You've been Latu. You've never read the cornerstone speech. You've heard about the war. Northern aggression read what the vice president of the confederacy berries and say about the founding of the better. He literally said that it is founded under the principle that whites are superior, therefore should dominating enslaved people. You don't know that, so you're not yakking. We've had been educated, drew brees as no idea that the giant elegant round at experiment exist he al could recommend drew medicine right? There was all ready to adopt the bill to give spanking, and that's what you sit down and the whole life. I want you to go to. I, want to tarrifs on for an out and I want you to watch. The Blue route acts fair bit by Jane Elliott. There's no way you're gonNA. Walk away from that feeling. I WANNA. Tell White, Americans at your. Propaganda every day because you see kneeling disrespectful of a flag and a lot of cases, but you don Budweiser commercial with flash on the short. You, don't you, don't you? Don't see that as disrespectful or a flag, but all those things are said not to. We're told not to do those things when we made a flag. We're not supposed to do that yet. We do it, so I just like to encourage us to back off nationalism and remember that human beings that are across from us are part of his official that make America, and if we put a slam over human life with we put a flat over the way he protest. We are truly disconnected from humanity, and we're going down and nationalistic grow much like. Fascism of Nazi Germany of all people cared more about nationalism than they beat the human beings. They were marching into desktops. We cannot care more about a slag we care about seeing two hundred twenty five pound manage place is total body weight on the neck of another may, as he screamed for God, his mother in Gaspar and a fixed dates like some type of painful bomb pain in front of US flags, not flags not INEX- INFLEC- if a flag is not truly represented equal. All out. Institutionalized in the slag is not, and that was my point earlier when skipper I was talking I say the flags suppose is supposed to be a representation of the value of country in that everybody falls under that flag. Everybody gets treated. The same everybody has the same opportunity well, if that's not the case, why do you get upset when the people that feel that? They're being oppressed. They feel they're being unheard and do not have those rights and liberties. Why do you get upset with them? If they don't get all Google in Gaga over the flag like you who have who have been represented by that play. Black Americans love this country. Black Americans have worked there, but I don't care sacrificed soldiers in the war. I don't care sacrifices to Tuskegee. Airmen of the suffer on the Tuskegee experiment. One group of man through planes on behalf of this country in Mesa to start to stay free another group of me as suffered in indignity of having to live with a sexually transmitted disease until they die so government study. So. We have to understand the sacrifices that have been made while making sweeping statements I just want all Americans, especially drew it especially. Why didn't go sacrificing American to watch the blue and Brown eyes fair by Jamie? Allow yourself to worm. Allow yourself to touch in touch. Have Empty, so you could allow you to make the apathy. You don't know better, so it's. We know better now beside way. You started at Playbook I. Want you to bother you studied at experiment, so you can understand truly what your teammates in people don't make you a world champion. Go through away from the feeling out of their stadium. So what are we might from moving forward? Where do we go next? While I. Want to say that if you study to Sixty S. If you study if you studied to say steps of nonviolence. was resolution so in matters of drew brees. In Madison, guys, we still here. Yeah, we. Yeah, in matters of drew brees. I say he should seek to truly understand. He's just learning. Each seek to reconcile in matters of this nation. There's a reconciliation at is to the bladder needed. It begins with conversations about. Are. Forty pushes look comprehensive study. That will give us the reparations that we deserve it begins with in the education system changed. Tell the truth our five year old, so they don't have fifteen year olds that ignorant, and that a polarizing high school apetit area and ginge. It began by saying financially. What are we going to do to make sure that this unity starts to enjoy some of the benefits of having donated so much essentially and blood wedding to you in nat starting with not talk about their in. We don't have a GIN agenda from community. There's truly respected and valued by the liberal arts bony were was still where we were a hundred years about. In Michael Quickly back to your last point you, you've many times brought up Jane Elliott and for those who don't know. She was on white teacher in Iowa who shelley after the assassination of Dr Martin Luther King conducted a little classroom experiment the Blount. Excuse me blue, eyed, Brown, eyed experiment, where she separated white students to try to to make the Brown is. They were the minority. This is what it feels like to walk in the shoes of a black. Minority around. July got it backwards. Yeah, and so. Why did it move you so much the first time you saw it? Because black people, we get tired of your teachers. As black people we get tired of serving. You got you know just to be frightened? Dot is when it's not our responsibility. Give races by James Volunteer. We didn't have nickel. Create these conditions. Why Society! And a white teacher should be your teacher now we are definitely. And our allies prison brothers, depending. Who Talk about my part of that's my. Some? People political just my Allah, some people who got a comical co-conspirators, but why people need to be teaching likely. Only believed it when it's coming from somebody that looked like. You know black people are tired of the burden of having to beat. They can't take this country holding your hand when you're young. All around, you know we have. We play sports and pay them money and singing pay the money. Somehow. We not supposed to speak me. Foolishness is the people turn around here the greatest, the greatest present inevitable to eat rack the night while. We gotTa Casino on, as the president of the United States right now, so you can't tell black people keep taking care of me. Understand each time the progress you need to tall. You need to be taught teacher. This woman is an eight. She said we could radically eight racism country at twenty years. Really want to. If you look at it, that's pre K. through twelfth grade is about is about nine thousand nine hundred. And you nursery India mix it with your twelve years asking you are going to roughly education where thirteen maybe fade on the nights, and you educate all along the way radically. Somebody seal profits from racing. Police departments eight more money when crime is so my brothers who one. That late say when we will reduce crime, they take outside in crime. Pop Up and get. In a police get into, so it's time to start the game. It's time to stop building private with. Time that is titled Special Prosecutors that come to places by Brunswick Georgia when the prosecutor. Thought he was a so kinetic, but he won't prosecuted at the hunting of black mate like an animal with two more might me. Is, time that we started a special prosecutor to come in from of district and prosekey black people just. Retired. How much do we have to do? Before you do something for yourself before you say I'm going to self, educate ourselves. I'm to January. I'm a listener Tim while I'm going to listen to all speeches by gene. I'm GONNA we either way. I'm going to start to learn from. Lucy US last week, people were black that they brought women who believe that they should hold leadership positions to. Killing my you know America was founded on having somebody to look down on. Labor provided. It. How we gotta have somebody, LBJ said if you can convince the H- the lowest wide that he's as. By the best black. You can rob. Somebody look down empty his pockets for you. As well as south when we've been provided, they've been provided someone to look down on who they know us a minority, so you gotTa have about it down if you raise the. Look down on kill. The I remember having a conversation with senator. Bernie Sanders. Say Michael You'd know at the time we were. We were marching for workers rights for work. And Deily against it were poor, white man, who have benefited from those rights benefited from unions, and the only the at the time that they will be protesting against the black man. ooh, Rice would've gone everyone right right at the time were the lowest paid white workers in the nation and back to skip. Say Back to what that Wiseman said. If you WANNA stood in solidarity together. It would have been better for everyone, but because you chose not to. You'll never break the strong. And it's time. She's like this if we stand. Together. I may not agree with what you're saying say. But I was in support your right to say it. Based on the birther movement I may not like I feel about our but I respect and support your right down win, said I may I. May WanNa see Slavery Golf Real in this? I really want that I'm GonNa Work Thirteenth Amendment. Chance but. What I have realized about this country is we talked the talk, but when it's time to walk. Everybody sit back, but it's time that we walk the walk all the way through now it's time to make sure that everyone can enjoy the constitutional rights that promised, so we can truly the greatest nation on her otherwise conceal aspirational. You love the brunt. I love how! Ain't nobody joined him. So Michael go deeper force. About the message behind the words on your shirt right now. Kill your master's. My master right now is sugar, so I'm working out. I. Try my best to beat right so in. Our country tries to grows into the like. Michael Jordan I'm trying to grow into downtown. Split Kill Your. He'll your masters as it. He'll. UMASS is this? Is the principle of that we share the same masterclass at the time that slavery existed that a planter class in the south and the planter class help promote that LBJ. Then one hundred years before they helped promote this active. White, man to be a taskmaster, cracking the whip over black man. All over these blacks whites, and what we have to understand that we have the exact same message, the scientist that don't want to get you your rights, but whatever your particular. had been that my rights for four hundred years. The same people that live to marginalize your neighborhood based on the fact. They like to develop a twenty years later. I maximize neighborhood. If we do not share as allies of common ground to bite out masters united, we will continue to be dominated by in. That's what people need to understand. And how arrogant, if anyway person, unserious television, thanks said this show is about resulted noted in America man. Money makes you a master, and I'm very comfortable as a saying dancing you as a working class white person. Happy Master, so don't be enough to pay. These shirt is about like. I've never had a white. I brought up a black CD. All my roles billions of black. If I had a politician that was acting master doing that I voted for all the politics. If I had a job that broke up my union and I felt like the you. No matter what my union members look like killing your master when dominant corporate stores are coming and knocking out your local coffee shops, your local mom and pop shops. Will you choose to support them? That's killing your master as black people if you shift one of your asked to. Six trust banking at manner or one who knighted. You're killing your financial masters. We did a black bait. Update me usher lot of brothers in Atlanta Young. Raw, we did a black baby. Challenge that blanking challenge may wells Fargo allocate sixty million dollars to. That minority mortgage is not people of color mortgage blackboards. Dada's killing your mess. Bro My representing criminal, not knowledge on his bro. Come back lovey man. Dan. Good Brian to go the goat go. Thank. You so much! I can't talk for Shannon getting that last thing in there and the list of everything you suggest that we watch and read and listen to and learn I'm to make sure we get that list out there, so thank you for being a positive voice in daycare. Thank you for that statement doing found. You'll never know what that God bless you man, thank you, we appreciate. A Good Morning. NBA Champ and Finals Mvp Maxwell was crowned the Bron- as the greatest of all time over Michael Jordan. Yeah be crowned guys. Maxwell said quote. He's the goat, because not only link on the basketball side, but social issues as well. He's been involved in every social issue that we look at Shannon. Has He ever point here? I, think Lebron the go because of what he's done on the basketball. Court I skip I've tried to do a great job. I've tried always do a job of separating. What you do in your particular arena, the Basketball Court and football field or the baseball diamond, and then what you do outside of that. When people look at least look at what he was in the ring, and then I look at what he did outside of the ring, and I tried to do a great job of separating those two, and I've done that with Lebron, and we look at some of these great athletes. KIP the sixties. There's a little difference guilt because there was no money in endorsements like it is now and you see guys like Ali and you see guys like Jim. Brown Ali was fighting for his career. Bill Russell and some of these other guys. The Baseball Jackie Robinson. But that was different. Now you got eighty ninety million dollars in stakes, and we what Lebron has done is Lebron is taken a stance that guys in the eighties, nineties and early two thousand before Lebron? Got League would never ever even touch. Let alone let alone talk about I'm GonNa go to a democratic. National Convention in stand on stage with the nominees that was unheard of. But what Lebron has done the Brian so comfortable in who he is, and he realized yes. I've been based accessible. I'm blessed beyond blessed, but there applies that are still being fight thought by mid of men and women of Miculla of my race. That's not right, and it's just not good enough to be morally conscious I have to be socially conscious also, and he's done a great job of Ben. Lebron James The goat because what he's done, but when it comes to off the court to try to compare him to Lebron Michael Jordan is almost like saying Lebron James. If the Best Player and Michael The thirteenth, Best Player in NBA and I love you thirteen. Wait. He is he's not. He's not even comparable. Right especially when they're playing Michael has gotten better since he's been away from the game donating to call this issued a statement. A couple days ago about what about the racism and the guy that was perpetuating racism in nineteen eighty-eight? Date with Jesse Helms but he not know who. Jesse Hail Strong Permanent South Carolina Harmon Eugene Talmadge in Georgia. Skip out from that area, so you know I know these guys very well, so Republicans buy sneakers to. Skip I'm glad, but at the time that he's doing it Michael Jordan did not want to mess with that brand. Mess with jumped man, and so he was mum on. Issues, Lebron. James says yes, but I got to speak up. Not Allow these things that I see that are wrong going on, Mike. Montgomery and not say anything about it. I will not should have been dribble. I am more than I am more than an athlete. So for me skill I believe. Lebron has to go because, but there is no comparison with social issues off the course between Lebron James. Michael, Jordan. So every time we have the the basketball debate, you know how I feel. Like, he's last Lewis even to to to start this debate. I feel like light. The for this studio here on the Fox Lot right. But every time you take it off the court you got me. And I'm like. That's it. Over right. Because I I don't ever even try to defend Michael the court except to tell you I was around him in Chicago. And I think he just had no interest in any of that right and I also think he thought I. Just don't know enough to know because I. don't care enough to know well. That's who he was I. think he has grown I think he is. Awakened, you might say a bit lately. I think the last dance. He took some heat for a lot of things that he didn't say and I think it stung him, so he felt compelled to issue as Bateman was great, that was that was new and different. That was a man sort of maturing before your very eyes lot better than that bull jive tiger released. Really okay, you think that. Anti him to sit out. Okay, education. Okay well. Okay, there's another one. So. The point is. I have always applauded what. All that Lebron has done off the Corden, but he has. A political heart. He has an activist heart, so do you? You were born with the political heart. I always tell you I. Don't follow it as closely as you do. You are into. You are a a qualified spokesman. You are a commentator who knows enough to know everything. And sometimes you go into areas where I'm like I'm out. I don't know. I don't follow it. A I think I was taught growing up. You can't change. It these these people all lied she, and steal from you basically and in out on how to change it except to vote right. Okay, so Lebron is saying I have the heart for this. He also is in a different place time where via social media he does get validated by his followers, and he has a lot of followers both I g twitter everything on facebook anything else where he knows, he is preaching to a pretty large choir, a growing choir, right both black and white of all colors obviously. Yet. If you're talking about the the goat athlete activist well. I can't place Lebron. Above Mohammed Ali because Lebron didn't face hasn't had to face. The hardships mean in in the sixties. When Ali was a conscientious objector, racism was out of the closet. In your face, that was a different. Camouflage and it was so different than and this man had the guts to say I got no beef with the Viet. Cong and I don't WanNA fight over there, but well you have to. You're going to get charged. And he got charged got tried, and he got convicted. He didn't go to jail. Appeals lasted for three years. He lost three pressures almost four years. I've these prime from twenty five to almost twenty nine. He gave it up because he didn't want to fight. Well, that's. Then than today, ovarian. Had the guts and he was A. Man He he was. Not Well liked it in any came full circle to beloved it even a lot of them. He wasn't real like his own community. Because there are a lot of blacks had to go, they go ahead to go. They had gone. Yes, forum, tear earlier points. Many of the Blackman had fought already, and they're saying we love our flag. We love our country because they were part and parcel of keeping the country free right, not sure we're fighting for our freedom and Vietnam. A whole nother right, okay, so we look at Jackie Robinson obviously he had to break the color barrier and endure racism incomprehensible to me, and maybe even to you that kind of racism, and then we look at Bill Russell. He became the first black superstar in the NBA. In Boston, right, it's got a racist at least an edge to it right grab. A part of Boston is very racist. It was out of the closet in those days. Well, what what Bill Russell Experience Lebron has no idea even in your era. You know you can't relate to. that. Does different right to here to hear my grandparents? And my like I said skip. I was alive. My Grandmother Ramalu born in one, thousand, nine, hundred, two, she lives as she was nine, thousand, nine hundred, and when I was a kid one going to school. My grandparents would drop over there now. Fit stay with her and so I. Know Skip The you know the term a barrel laugh. You know where that came from. In the South Black People could laugh out loud in public. You had to stick your head in the barrel and you had to allow. Here's the term a barrel of laughs so when you see in, but the flag flies. You see things like you hear things like that. The sixties was a different era for an athlete. Muhammad Ali was. Lebron is fighting for the people although look. Allie was fighting for people. He was also fighting for their own career. He like the confident called me the were they don't turn the dogs on me. They'll spray me down waterhole the they'll go ahead. Am I going over there to kill? They've done nothing to me. I should be fighting you doing this to me right here in America. You say that I'm a I'm an American citizen not should be free and opportunities. You were doing this, but you want to send me two thousand three thousand miles away to go kill somebody. That's done nothing to me. No I will not do. Okay and if we're talking about the goat of. Athletic Activism, don't we have to put Colin Kaepernick in? Yeah right because he started. Career and cream very outspoken again but Colin risked everything his career not as last, but he risked his career, he lost. Yup, okay, that qualifies it as gorgeous yet. He Yeah Right. Yes, okay so again. I love everything Lebron's done, but he hasn't faced the roadblocks that that some of these other behalf right, but he is. Fearless he is courageous in an instant like whenever drew brees. Puts his foot in his mouth. I know that within an hour I'm going to get reaction from Lebron. Right yes, enormous superstar athletes in one sport will never criticize a superstar athlete and another sport. Yeah, or let alone his own sporting, but that's not how Lebron's operate, if people. Do say something that does not align with the way it should be. He has no problem and he was surprised. He was the pride that drew. BREES would understand you. Things give but goal that notion skill. Oh, he played with blacks. He likes black he. You never do. We really ever knows get wasn't in the person by. And that they drew brees the deeds. We'll tell you a lot. And occasionally what comes out of their mouth? We'll tell you something what what was so about drew. Skip not to get too far. Topic is that drew has been so good in the community Lawrence. And you know New Orleans heavily populated with African Americans so he's been so good that I think that's why I called people so far off guard is because drew has been so good in New Orleans especially after Katrina. And then you have this and even an apologist guilty. He didn't mention anything about the kneeling in. What it represented. Steal the flag. So, that's that's that's where he that's where he is, but it's like you said you look at Bill Russell Mohammed, Ali, Jackie, Robinson Jim Brown of the sixty seven summit and nineteen, sixty seven in Cleveland when a nineteen year old Kareem abdul-jabbar. If I'm not mistaken, he was the amateur there Willie Davis. The packer lead there were so many think Bobby Mitchell was there also there were so many guys get, and like I, said the civil seven the sixties that was a different ballgame skill that was different. I mean there've been other hard decades football Napoli because most of the athletes they couldn't stay with the white teammates. They different area you. But, but that's not the what Lebron has done. He's put his name. He put his money where his mouth he had on a lot of issue. He has, and he's made it cool. Because now you see even more happily. Steph curry was Martin in the protests Klay Thompson. You've seen other athletes. Step to the forefront I. think that's given a lot of guys like hold on, and these corporations realize hold on we. We better not try to suppress these guys because a lot of because you know as Michael Jordan, says Republican by sneakers. Black people buy stuff to in America spending capital loans. Yeah, but I must add Michael. Jordan is brought to go. To Go. Everybody is eight to I mean every single day. In their. Drew brees has received widespread criticism after saying yesterday that he would never agree with any disrespecting of the flag of the United States of America. Shannon will this damage his legacy? His legacy on the field is going to be what it is, he probably there's a good chance he's GonNa lead lead retired from the NFL as the all time leader in passing touchdown, passing yards, highest completion percentage in history. That's that's GonNa be on his resume, but I believe his teammates and his peers will look at him from this day on in a different light than they had previously had. He not uttered what he uttered yesterday. I do believe that's. Going to be hard. So. Yeah, he's going to be an all time. Great a Pantheon quarterback, but his teammates and others that played when he played. May You remember when drew? Said this, so this is going to be on his resume. There's no way around it like I said not to the extent that when you talk about Lou Garrick, you have to talk about. He was just an evil, nasty racist bigoted person. There's no way around this. Time TYCO! I'm sorry I cop. Has Lifetime batting average in major league history. Skip I. Think he would. What ten Levin Batting titles? He was all time great boot camp. He was just nasty nasty, what he attacked demand that was heckling and beat him with an initial, but lighten. That's always resume. He did what he did on the feel, but that's also a part of his resume. Yeah, and sometimes get things that we say also get attached to his own I, resume and I believe this is one of the things that will be attached to drew brees on his resume what he said how he handled this situation. Who? So to me. Drew brees. His legacy now hinges upon. Whether or not. He and his teammates can successfully work through this next season. listlessness dude the hypothetical the the best case scenario. They go win the Super Bowl next year with that. Wipe some of this white. Maybe some of it if if they all sort of. came arm and armed through all this is like okay. We understand each other a little better. You've already told me surprise me. You don't think they can quickly work through. You said it's fractured. GonNa. Take a while right? Yes, and if they win the super guess what's. We wonder Super Bowl with a guy that thinks that the flag is more important than black. And, that's not going away. No I'm just saying it would soften it a little bit in the eyes of the world of okay, they did accept drew back. It took awhile, but they came back around. It reminds me that spitting incident during your super. Bowl Year Bill Romanowski on Monday night, football spat. Jj stokes for all the world to see you had a as they say. I hate this Cliche, but it's like a come to Jesus meeting. Was Right you lead the talk. Room I did and you had to work through. Bill Romanowski. A white player spitting on arrival black play. Yes, right yes! It hurt. Stung you, your core did in your team's core, yes. You had to work everybody through it, and and somehow I think John Elway set it up. Did in in some how you worked around the differences bill. Romanowski was not your quarterback right. He was a linebacker. Defend Right. He was not just another play very good. Put obviously a very good player, but but you did survive in, and then I'm not sure you thrive. Because of it became a rallying point for you're talking about I. Think the thing is, it's not to minimize it. It and even after the meeting a Romo and Bill Romanowski calling Romo. He and I had it thirty minutes sat down and we just talk I still need to get some clarification we. We couldn't sit there and do this all day. We had to get the meeting, but I wanted to sit talk to Romo personally and I did that. I think the thing is. Is that Romo? Case that I don't make. This what he said he's like my emotions got the best of me. Drew brees is sitting down. Control I I. Got You yeah and he? Did. He went out to the skill. Even though you told me you told me that we shared I'm coming to do this. This Yada Yada, Yada and I'm like no, that's not what you know. Even though Colin told him why he was doing, it drew. Brees feel made it about that in order to not talk about the issue at hand and I think that's what hurt the player. It's killed when your teammates and like I said. Look I knew he was going to get killed from the public the. was how strong his teammates! Come out against it strong strong. Stronger than even I thought yes. Yes that. And Malcolm Malcolm. Jenkins said I used to do you as a friend scale. Used to he hits. my Thomas. Emmanuel Sanders Cam joins says he's disappointed, but he's GonNa hold on hold on his. Analysis until he actually talked to drew. SKIP. Like, I said I've been a lot of the long time. I've been the leading voice in the locker room, but they got. They got some work to do for this. I got a lot. Of Work to do to this. It's just different because he's the face of the Frangieh Pantheon quarterback. Leader of your foot quote, Unquote leader of your football team and he said that. He stepped into that at a at a turning point moment in the history of this country brought attention right. It's hard to walk that back and he tried with his apology right. Yeah, I. Do too much for me because the thing is he quitting? The flag is more important than the death of a black Ming. That's what he's same. Pick. A like drew, but what I can't understand with with is heightened. If everybody, everybody's saying the right things, why would you? Come at that moment and say that was when you see all these people Mars. Ain't nobody and by the way. About the vans about the military about nothing, why and that that's what I can't understand. Why that moment would he take that leak back into that and make it about that? True colors revealed. He spoke his heart yes. I think a lot of people think that same way still in this country. I think a lot of people said why go drew right okay, but there are crucial people in his locker room, who who were hurt by this to the point of being alienated from ever being able to to sort of trust drew. d'ambra! You keep talking about. And we family, but we might be family in here, but outside there are we really family so my brother? Brother is not your brother that has nothing to do with and we normally Stanford. If, if you hurting I'm hurting. One of my teammates were hurt regardless of the color. What can I do Abraham to be? TURN THAT BLIND BUT I. To be that not even that insensitive to say but me, my thing is the flag handle heart. That's more important to me than the killing a on black men and women in America by police really drew. How you really feel guys, asking at this very moment drew. That's how you really feel. So what was blackout Tuesday about? That speech that will just talk show. You'll really believe that, but that was a cool day to do their escape. Doh. Page dark. I mean somebody big corporation. Some of big corporations that did not. Support Cap at the time I. got a whole lot of statements. Man Ain't no younger right so good. Drew boy you stepped in. Who you really really drew us in. Good Light. We're GONNA leave drew brees for now. Jaguars owner shot Khan spoke out against racism, saying that he has battled against it his whole life, since coming from Pakistan to the US nineteen sixty sixty-seven conn said that he has been a frequent target, prejudice, nation and hatred. He also said change for all people of color is us is long overdue Shannon. Were you okay with what he said here I was because what he also said is that? He says he doesn't know what. It's like to be a young African American. And so I can understand because we know that some of the prejudices that comes along with being a Muslim from another country, even even being Muslim American so I love the fact that you don't like yeah. I understand I. I dealt with it and very few people's get unless you've actually dealt with it. Know what is life, so we're talking about a man that knows what. What it's like to be in America and to be on the other end of the racism, so yeah, I don't have a problem with it, but I like the fact that he said you know what I don't know what it's like to be a young black man, but I have experienced racism I'm surprised. You don't have a little problem because it's not the right time. Don't become. Comparing discrimination after the murder of Dr Floyd and yet another murder of an unarmed black man or woman by white policemen. It's like wrong place wrong. I get doing. He's trying to say I can relate on some level. Rony can right, but not on that La and in the end I. I don't think it plays great. You should just leave it. Lay for now. Leave it alone. It's like we talked about. About drew brees there certain times and places. You just can't go in there, so not that this was nearly as egregious right I thought. Maybe you'd find it slightly offensive I did in the beginning step and then i. read where he has it by saying he doesn't know what it means to be better because we get that a lot, we start talking about our plight, and then everybody will start pot. I will discriminate against that but I'm GONNA. Give Him some leeway on this one. All right that is going to do it for undisputed today. Thank you all so much for joining US skies. It's so good. We're back in studio with you about same time tomorrow.

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