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Pat Buck Never Stops - Notsam Wrestling 288

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Pat Buck Never Stops - Notsam Wrestling 288

"Introducing your host from New York here is Sam Rulers Patty my day while not Sam Wrestling Happy Day. Welcome to another week of wrestling another week of not Sam wrestling happy to see you. I'm pretending I can see you. You're happy to see me or probably hear me beauregard. Lois. Let's enjoy ourselves. Okay let's go welcome to not SAM wrestling a lot of podcasters say this and I never do. I just assume you know but I do hope that wherever you get podcast you leave a rating and review on I tunes or spotify leave the rating. Leave the review. You subscribe you follow any of the stuff that any podcast you listen to if it says. That helps their podcast. Assume that if you do it for mine it'll help my podcast to and I'd like for you to do it. Okay so do all anything that you do for anybody else's podcast this positive do for mine too. It would be a big help. Welcome did not SAM wrestling Another week you know We got a Pat Buck on the show today. Good friend of the show good friend of Mine Pat Buck will be here are not same wrestling but before we get to pat there are some things that That require a bit of a discussion. I would say I want to say that You know I talked last week about Michael Cole. And the Treatment Michael Cole was getting on smackdown and the fact that none of those big meaty wrestlers would just leave Michael alone that all Michael Cole wants to do is do as job out there. And for some reason every time imagines somebody's gotTa Jump All over Michael Cole. And it's enough of it. No more can't happen anymore. I said that the coal mine should come back and I believe it now more than ever on smackdown shameless and we wasn't even there for his match matched entity it left. He came back out. Hey Michael Cole started talking about Jeff. Hardy getting shameless came out and got real real up in his grill and real real close to him and I mean I was getting real heidenreich leads from him. I'M NOT GONNA I'm not GonNa you know away and we could bring this stuff up. You know I mean. Mr McMahon was on smackdown randomly mentioning. Katie Vick so I feel like if that's coming up and triple H is a twenty five year anniversary spot. Then we can bring up the fact that I got strong. Heidenreich vibes and I don't mean Legion of Doom Heidenreich. I think you know exactly what Heidenreich I mean. Kids out there. If you don't know what I'm talking about Google Michael Heidenreich and you see what comes up because that's the that's the vibe that I got from shameless. Also on smackdown you know. We had the twenty fifth anniversary of triple h in the wwe twenty five years since we were graced with the bow. From the Greenwich Blueblood Hunter Hearst Helmsley and I had mentioned something on twitter a story which triple h and it was not the first time I'd met him but I think it was the first time my wife Jessica met him and the long version of that story. 'cause people you know had questions on after twitter. I just thought of it as we're talking a lot of triple h stories. I've known triple eight for a long time. See TRIPLE H he. He would do the radio show that I worked on OPIE and Anthony. Even when I was an intern. He was doing it so I mean I. I've known I've known. Triple H Mick Foley and Chris Jericho since I was an intern on that radio show. Mvp to actually. I don't think I was an intern when I met. Mvp But I wasn't far from an intern MVP. And I go back to very far but it is weird. You know when you're kind of their professional capacity. Hang out with these people that know you from your radio you know stunt boy days and it's not the best luck in the world but hey it's the reality we live. Okay what am I going to complain about it so open? Anthony had done a pilot for comedy central. That never got picked up but it was like a scavenger hunt where it was a a bunch of comedians albeit anthony where the hosts and they would send out comedians To get things done for points and the comedians would bring with them like you know little weasels. That would just do whatever they needed done. And I was one of the weasels and apparently on the show. One of the hints was or one of the points mechanisms was Get a stranger to kiss this one of your teammates and so they got a stranger to kiss me and it was a guy and then they claimed after the kiss happened that it was a homeless guy. Now look. This was many years ago and I didn't catch anything from it. So you know no harm no foul. As far as I can see plus I never got full confirmation that he was a homeless guy but the reason I bring it up is because the next day triple age was in studio and it might have been the first time I met triple H. I don't know for sure but it was definitely very early on. I remember is very excited to meet triple H and I remember I walked with him at the time. We did the first half of the show in the studio because we were on both K rock in. Xm satellite. We did the first half of the show in the K rock studio. We did the second half of this show in the Xm studio. That was a block away and every time every single morning. We'll do the first half of the show walk a block to the second half of the show. It was a really weird setup but triple h was actually staying over and doing the Xm portion of the show as well. And I remember triple H and I made the walkover together that day and I don't know how comfortable I felt about it because Opie and anthony new my wrestling random and knew how much I love triple eight and they said hey triple age. Would you hear what our Guys Sam did yesterday? And they made me tell him the whole story and then we really got into examining I mean. Look it was hilarious but not for me at the time is very embarrassing for me at the time but I think triple. H has a steel trap memory because then I saw him. It must have been months later and I was at a hard rock press conference. They used to do press conferences before like Wrestlemainia at the Heart Cafe. So is before Wrestlemainia. He was the wwe champion at the time. And I was sitting right up front with the media. You know my little press hat in my little notebook my little pencil ready to cover this thing. It was Wrestlemainia. Twenty seven probably would the Ms. Yeah it had to be Wrestlemainia twenty-seven with MS verses no because triple h was champion at the time so it might have been wrestlemainia twenty six. Maybe Y- maybe but regardless doesn't matter Triple H is up there. He gives his speech and everything he sits at the dais and we locked eyes and he kinda pointed and not to say hello and he blew me a kiss and I was like Oh. He remembers. That was months ago. I can't believe he remembers then years later years later. This is now at summer slam in Los Angeles. I had done a a an audition to be a WWe commentator. The audition fell on deaf. Ears I did not get the job at the time however I was at this like a WWe corporate charity party thing. And I and I was with my wife and I was like Oh jess. I've got to push through the crowd over there. Just to mention to triple H auditioned. Just in case you know the tape ends up on his desk or anything like that and so she was like if you want to. So the three dead. I pushed through and I talked to the man in the game and I told him what I done is like. Oh that's great. Yeah yeah well I'll see if I can get a copy of the tape and then I said he may. Have you ever met my wife? I'd love to introduce you know. No I haven't met her and he was like I'd love to see I mean triple issues like the nicest guy ever and so I'm like okay. She's right over here and she had stayed back so I can kind of push through. And as we're walking over triple h just leans in and whispers in my ear. He means she know about the whole you kissing homeless guys. Thank God of all the things for you to remember about me but of course my answer. I mean I was laughing because like yeah. Yeah she does. She knows about everything she did. But that's what that story was that I kinda briefly briefly mentioned on twitter Speaking of the triple h and Shawn Michaels triple h Twenty Fifth Anniversary Thing that happened on smackdown Shawn Michaels was there. And I've been thinking about this a lot. You know there's this terrific I guess it's a Docu series technically 'cause it's a ten part documentary on the ninety seven ninety eight Chicago Bulls season. It's called the last dance whether you're a basketball fan or not. You'll love this. It's just a great story and Michael Jordan's all over it. I brought up the question. Who is the Michael Jordan of wrestling and I thought about it a lot and at first you just like okay? Michael Jordan grazed of all time. I Guess Hulk Hogan you know Michael Jordan is like the Babe Ruth of Basketball Babe Ruth Michael Jordan Hulk Hogan you know I I think right but I really started to think about this and this is after watching the documentary. And what's important to me in? The documentary is this is not a guy who Michael Jordan was got to where he got. Judah just simply physical gifts right. That's part of it. Of course you know some of its God given but the reason that he was not just very good the reason he was the greatest of all time was because he Worked any busted his ass and the one thing that comes through in the doc is that he was always obsessed with being the best from the time he got there. His only goal was to be the best to ever do it. There's only a few people everybody wants to be the best that ever do it. But there's only a few people that will actually put the work in and really make it their goal to be the best to ever do something that they're doing and I think that is a key component to when factoring in the Michael Jordan of other professions a Scott to be somebody who came in with a singular goal of. I'm going to be the best of all time. Somebody who is naturally gifted but not somebody who would I on their debut. Michael Jordan was drafted. Third Right so would have to be somebody we're talking about. Wwe somebody wasn't necessarily pegged as. Oh yeah he's going to be the greatest of all time. You know what I mean. He's Oh yeah he's champion right away and somebody that has to work for it right. It's not just enough. That they did work for it is that they had to work for it. And it's somebody who's obsessed with winning and doing well every single time they go out there. Jordan played every single game like it was a championship game. And that's when I got to thinking. Okay who is that really and it's somebody who can do it over time. Jordan's got six rings. You know what I'm saying. So for me for me. Steve Austin could be a candidate in the sense that he wasn't pegged to be the best of all time he worked as balls off and became that way. However I think because Steve Austin only lasted the amount of time that he lasted as the best and it took him so long to get there that he doesn't factor in exactly what the Michael Jordan of wrestling the rock to me is a little more Lebron James. He also has the same thing with with Austin in the sense. That is run wasn't quite long enough on top to be considered a Michael Jordan but also not that. The Rock didn't work. You know we all know the six bucks story but the Rock was pegged to be a star from the beginning whether it worked or not Rocky Maya view was supposed to be a star and a lot of it was God given. You could say John Sina you could. I don't think John. Seen a quite. I think the difference with John. Seen is while he is in the conversation of the best of all time. I just don't see him. As Jordan Jordan had a style about him there was a style about Jordan that even a non basketball fan would look at it and go. Oh my God. What's that that to me is? What's missing with John? Cena to me the only real answer and the only choice you could say Rick Flair. And that's a debate you could have but I don't know that Rick Flair. I don't know if it's the fact that he didn't win enough because really in wrestling wins and losses. Don't matter so much I mean. Ric flair is a great match after great match. But you know first of all you couldn't call in the Michael Jordan of the wwe for sure because so much of what he did was outside of the wwe so maybe if you open this wrestling wide you could have a bigger conversation but if we're just talking about wwe it's certainly not ric flair because he didn't do that work in wwe. So with that with all of that taken into account for and I would love for you guys to tweet a love for you guys to write in comments you can email not same wrestling gmail.com. However you want to communicate with me communicate with me but tell me what you think of this because in my mind the only answer for who is the Michael Jordan of wrestling. You'd even leave it in the comments on Youtube is Shawn Michaels to me Shawn. Michaels is the Michael Jordan wrestling. He checks all the boxes. You're talking about a guy who greatness could last over the course of years. You're talking about a guy who was always good but never pegged to be the best of all time. You're talking about a guy obsessed with becoming the best of all time. You're talking about a guy who every night would go out there and try to steal the show and try to have the match of the night and try to deliver the same quality of match as if it were wrestlemainia. You're talking about a guy who did it with that style. That certain Juno say qual- the Michael Jordan. Did it with and a guy who when you look back at his career you could say yeah. Yeah that might be the best guy to ever do it. Yeah I know. Those conversations were happening while he was still playing. But when you look back at the entire career becomes much more difficult. And I'll never forget an interview that I did with with Shawn Michaels. That just made me rethink everything when he was talking about. I mean he did return match. But we don't really talk about that match. He's talking about why he didn't return and how he looked at his career and how it was all one story that he thought on that level. And that's the level of thinking that you need to think on if you're the Michael Jordan of professional wrestling to me there's no question. Shawn Michaels is the Michael Jordan of professional wrestling. I'd love to hear your opinions. Tell me I'm wrong but I doubt you can. You can prove me wrong. I doubt you could say Shawn Michaels. Not that's what I think. Somebody's worked his ASS OFF IS FRIEND OF THE SHOW. Pat Buck Pat Buck. He is one of the founders or is the founder I guess of Wrestle Pro Big Indy promotion out here on the East Coast. Pat Bug is a journeyman in this world of wrestling had a dream to make it to the WWe superstar that dream was not fulfilled for various different reasons. But as a huge shock to me he ended up a producer for. Wwe which I don't know if he ever saw coming but I certainly did not see coming. I thought he may end up you know. He owns a school called creative. Pro alongside the Prince of Queen's. Brian Myers formerly known as Curt Hawkins And I thought that that might translate into him. Coaching at the performance center. I could have seen that for him. You know he's got a lot of friends and wwe. I'm like yeah I could see him people and people really like him. He's a good trainer as I could see him I could see him as a as a as a coach at the performance center. And I'll remember I never. I'll always remember when I heard that. He got the GIG. I can't remember who told me. Might have been my wife talking to his wife but I was like always moving to Orlando and she goes. No He's going on the road. I was like what and then I found out. He was going to be a producer and he spent He spent a while at. Wwe Is a producer but he was one of the casualties of the Recent releases he was one of I think nine producers who were released but PAT has a fascinating story. And he's got a new podcast called the Pat Buck show and when I heard that he's got a new podcast. I said Pat. Why don't you come on Nazi? I'm wrestling? We have about wrestling will promote your podcast. It'll be all good. He said Sam. That's a great idea. So this is it this week on Nazism wrestling enjoy the one and only pat buck before we go a step further. I WanNa tell you guys away that you can support this podcast and get more content and less of these annoying interruptions. 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Sam Shell today the not Sam Wrestling interview back on not Sam wrestling longtime friend of the show friend of Mine Ladies and Gentlemen Pat. Buck is here. Welcome pat what's the half's same old single Adamy. Of course. Yeah. I love it in full eventful week. I loved it. That's the that's the that's the go-to right. You're just so used to be like Same same everything's find. You're like wait. Wait wait no. My whole life is turned upside down all my God. Yeah but it's also weird because we're doing absolutely nothing writing but every but everything's happening right. It's a mixture growth since the biggest nothing eventful happened but then the day to day is just the same just like I don't know I woke up. I was at home all day and trying to figure stuff out and then you know my apartment. Maybe four times a month. It's really it's been. It's been something though it's not it's not all it's all good. It's not all bad. It's just hey just what it is right which is kind of I mean. I feel like as far as life lessons that you learn in the wrestling industry like coping with something like this. I would imagine the wrestling industry has to help. If you're taking the right things away meaning like just the idea of like. I don't know what's going to happen tomorrow. I don't know how long anything's GONNA last. I don't know what anything is but I'm GONNA wake up. I'M GONNA make the most out of today. We're going to keep it moving. I think for some people I think for those that. Have you know an independent wrestling background when you get When you've been doing it long enough you are. You're able to ride the wave things. Go up things go down. Something great happens or you hear. Some great is about to happen. It doesn't happen. I A little more worried for those. That don't have that background. I think it's GonNa be a real. I don't see a crash course but I think that those who have kind of whether to weather the storm before are going to feel you know. Be a little bit more at peace with this in those who are completely at the world's Kinda turned upside down. Yeah I guess that is the thing like when you already have to deal with all my God. This dream is never going to happen for me and get past that and then it kind of does anyway in a different form when it kind of stops again. You're like it's okay. This is kind of how life works you go up you go down you go back up like you just figure out okay. Well what's what's the next move to make and what's the next pivot here right and for those that don't know how to figure it out. That's part of Part of what? I want to kind of put out there eventually. We'll we'll talk about it in a little bit but I really think that that uncertainty. That probably happened for a lot of those talents that you know that this happened to there is so much good. That could come from or opportunity or a different way of living that. It's not as bad as any think especially for the time period had been you know five ten years ago totally different worlds but even then it was manageable but there's something to the credibility all them have gained that they can actually make a new success story out of what went on what happens. It's probably also little bit of a scarier time for everybody just in the sense that there's no wrestling show's happening immediately for anybody. So that idea of hitting the ground running you have to be a little bit more creative. In order hit the ground running now then you would have been like you know had there you could at least even if you've got ninety days to sit out or whatever it is you could have sat and Ben like okay. I'll just get my ducks in order so that in ninety days but when we're in an environment where we don't know what the world is. GonNa look like. In Ninety days I would imagine that becomes a little bit like. Oh okay. That's a little bit more uneasy right. I think so I think with with ninety days or whatever the the terms may be they you know. I think it's time to kind of the thing that's missing the most for the only thing missing is you. Can't you know? Fill your schedule. Pass that you know you could start to do that. Now if things were were happening you know being a promoter myself and seeing how things are we can't we can't do a thing about it. The only kind of conversations you can really have is those promotions that are going to be strictly content based or you know are able to pull off some sort of which there you know for my knowledge. Only two of them really don't want so that's a that's the easy part but I think that ninety days if such a long time that I really hope that they should hit the ground running just in a different past the meaning trying to film constant. I don't care if it's a cell phone video I don't care if you you know figure out a way to Y- Remind people throughout this time here that you're still there and maybe even just open up you know just because there may not be such and such promotion running it might be worth it to have an open conversation with the person who eventually gonNA run that show and start that friendship sort that bond which I believe some of the guys will and I think some of them are Kinda GonNa fade into the sunset and some are going to use people to present them. Which I understand I do. And don't but it's going to be a once we get out of this and I hope that we get back to live events. I don't I don't you think I don't know what the you know what it's going to be but I just hope that we get A. It's sooner rather than later so I've been thinking about that a lot and I feel like even as a fan I feel like I would be as a fan more comfortable going to an independent show inappropriately suited venue right like it's really interesting. I feel like those mid level independent shows that you know anywhere from five hundred to fifteen hundred is probably where I see it opening up first and where I would be comfortable going to first because that's the area where you don't feel like everybody is on top of each other. You feel like okay I can. I can distance myself if I want to. You know if it's done in like a a vfw or a gym or even in the Roadway Rec Center or whatever like there's spots that I could go walk over here and kind of be distant from people if I want you know I think that stuff in big arenas where you're packing people in and I think that stuff where you're trying to fit five hundred people into a room that really seats about three fifty. Those are those are the spots where I'm going to be like. Yeah I don't really think I want anything to do with that for a while and if it opens up. I mean what I think will eventually happen again. I'm no expert. I have no idea will happen but running like the US at the our REC center. That could realistically fit fifteen hundred people like sardines in there. You know it'd be really tight. Yeah I in my head I I see coming back where I'm going to be allowed to run independent wrestling events with a building that big but maybe I can only put one hundred people in their fifty. That's kind of where I think it's going to go I now. I hope it sooner than later. I hope I'm crossing my fingers for like a September and that is going to be up to me to figure out how to run a financially successful show with a capacity of you know D- raise ticket prices. Do this that the other. But as far as what you're saying I completely agree. I think that I think independent wrestling's GonNa make its comeback before stadium shows. Can I mean you've arena shows? It's not that I think that's almost inevitable so there's going to be a real interesting time period once we get past this where let's see what the independence can do. A states reopen and hopefully capacity can be loud. Yeah and you have to look at that too like like I mean. Just looking at the business of it like looking at profit margins like what are the type of wrestling shows. I kind of look at it the same way. I look at comedy shows like realistically a Comedy Club. Where you're it's a small room like the comedy cellar. It's like this iconic spot where where everybody knows the name and you go to New York and it's become a tourist destination but realistically it's a small room that packs in a ton of people and that's the charm of it but I'm not going into a small room that Paxton a ton of people anytime soon. I will go into a room. I'll go into a theater where we're sitting every three seats and I can leave if I want to and I can you know if I start to get gonNA freak out or whatever. I can go out into like the mezzanine area or whatever it's called like I could see I could see that running. I think it's the same with wrestling and I also think it's it's what shows can afford to cut off two thirds of the crowd and still turn a profit. And how does that look? And also you're right like do you raise ticket. Prices may be really advertised. This is limited limited limited seating. Be there at the first show back but at the same time. You're like okay. Well what big names are going to be there okay. Well guess what. Nobody's traveling so you know. That's another in kind of hiccup in the whole thing. No I think so. I think with if I if my old business models change over the years from when I first started promoting to literally. We have anybody everybody on a show and try to sell it out. Try to get that fifteen hundred capacity and now looking at it. I feel like I'm going to be running. You know just with Mike crew which I'm super proud of maybe a couple independent guys and like one recognizable person. Yeah I don't see and I'm just really hoping that going forward. You know that venues kind of open up to more realistic expectation on what they charge. You know when we're going to be faced with this and I really hope that there is a way to pull it off because it's GonNa be it's GonNa be it's GonNa be an uphill struggle for everybody. I think. Yeah I mean it's really an interesting thing because I do feel like I already felt like when w started signing up people and when. Wwe was keeping you know tons of people signing. They still are like when when when they're just became that in ring of honor started going with more exclusive contracts. And they're that much talent just started to be signed exclusively. I was like well this. This feels like an opportunity for an independent renaissance. Where like there are all these guys that are not on TV. And like I. I felt like you know for a long time. It became difficult to stand out on the Independence. Because really there. Was this handful of people. That were considered independence. But we're making tons and tons of money and didn't have to be contacted and those are the people that you really wanted to see at independent shows that we're making money and I feel like now there's opportunity to take people that you're like. Oh I guess I have heard of that person or yeah I know the name or I've heard they can do good matches and those people can now stand out on shows and be and be the people that like you know. I'll watch this show. They now have the opportunity to stand out talking about them and you know within a few months. This is the person that I'm going to independent shows to see. It's the best and worst thing that ever happened. I think independent wrestling when I started promoting two thousand twelve. I just said I I would. I was looking at book. Everything not everything but I try to hit every single demographic that I can anchor the show in with like a Bret Hart or Ric flair whomever to you know. Make the poster recognizable and I would use you know like I'm looking at post to right now. I I show Matt Hardy and we have we godfather father Abdul the butcher like a lot of heavy price price. Tag Things you've got to figure out and bring them all in as time went on that kind of went away and I felt like the crowds got a little not tired of it. But but also those recognizable big monster names. Some of them inflated their prices so I found a new business model with almost using the newly released talents they were. They were kind of be like my first. Stop Russell. Pro You know like like Emma N- Wade Barrett and one of cody's for building kind of off that but then like you said companies started really locking in exclusive people I used to use people from TNA and then became impact Using bring him honor guys and then there came this thing. I don't know what your was. Maybe twenty seventeen maybe twenty eight twenty eighteen where you couldn't book anybody so it was like the absolute best time to be a talent because they're all these guys were blocked in exclusive deals which. God bless them. That's awesome yeah as a promoter brutal and especially this year even going into. I'll even say my last show that Iran in February. You know we meet myself in. An you know my booker am. We're we both the BOOGIE. Woogie man we were we were really trying to. What can we legit put out there? That's kind of difference because you you couldn't. There's no one at buck so now that everything's GonNa Change. Despite Cova everything going on you know. The scene itself is going to change because now we have. What twenty five thirty you know more. If you count the producers and such that could be working on shows and brought in so I'm real interested to see what what's go on there. Yeah yeah so for those who don't know hatbox story and you should by now. He's about on the podcast enough times and and and you know he's been even outside of the podcast is stories well known but PAT was Many many moons ago he was a developmental talent for wwe. Not necessarily you weren't signed to a developmental deal but you that's where you were working because you just knew that that's where the is would see you right. Yeah cliffnote cliff notes during during the worst time period. Ever which like two thousand one ish Worked all over for a while and I wanted to be fulltime wrestling. And the only place to me to make a living to be with the company was though to be throw. Vw So w yeah and named right right. Yeah that's important and then but people like you and obviously you're a good wrestler and after many sort of this is going to happen and then it didn't happen and haircuts. And maybe it'll be a wrestler. We'll maybe it'll be a referee and maybe you'll change your name and maybe you'll it became clear that it just wasn't going to happen and you and I thought would be a lot of people that got my position. It was basically you work through the system and the right people and you get thrown into the WB training class where you're not getting you're not getting paid but your probably next to be hired and when finally broke in broken within the first year you know all the guys that are like hey like. I think you're next and may might take another year then. I'm four and a half years in going I don't and then Lovie. W You know the the relationship switched. Fcw. And I followed it down there the thing and then after doing for about a year down there it was kind of like I got A. I can't do this anymore. I can't be the hey I'm here kind of guy. Let me prove myself you know it was. It was insanity I had. I had go do something else. Which is Great? Because that's where like you know you really start to figure out okay. How do I make money in the wrestling industry outside of without having a wwe name? Like I've never been in WW. I just don't have television exposure. I now need to figure out how to make a living doing this. And this was before kind of The the the entrepreneurship of wrestling had really blown up right. Because now I I think that most independent guys know that you have to be an entrepreneur and and and think from a business perspective and brand yourself and do the whole thing But that's when you you started wrestling independently and then you start becoming involved with the promotion. You became a promoter. You started your own promotion. Russell pro happens. You know everything Kinda turns out right and you're like Holy Shit. I've got a promotion of gotTA school. Now I'm also making money. I mean that last year you were also you started doing shows again. You're like I think I can also be arrested for lots of different promotions and they promotions. Where like yes? You can do that yet. Only took eleven years. Finally find like an inkling of success yet. But you know what I was. I was happy being promoted trainer. Guy You know. I'm like okay. I got to schools. I have of you know promotion arrested when I want to. You know I like to say I was a poor man's Jerry lawler Just kind of stayed in Memphis. I stayed at kind of and then you know wrestling started booming last year with the opening of aws and honor expanding. And W we doing all the things that are doing with. It's like Oh man. I'm while I'm in my mid thirties. I WANNA get back out there so Russell fulltime it. Let me to me in this year. Yeah I mean and I and you ended up. I you were down at the Performance Center doing some guests coaching and you ended up there like once a month or something. They would fly you back and you know a couple of times. I was like getting excited as I think. They're gonNA hire pat as a coach of the performance center. And you were ready to do that right. I mean you're you're yeah I mean For some kind of said it but I I got invited to go down there it it it was kind of. I don't know I I. It kind of happens strangely. Where they're bringing a Lotta guys not nothing kind of looking at it going. If there's one thing I can do wrestling train depot. You know I've been doing it full time for you. Know since I started him out in two thousand twelve but even before that I was training guys when I went on. Fcw To try to get a job. I joined the beginner program. That was coached by Norman. Smiling Steve Kern and by the end of the program teaching the program. Wow so like I've you know so it was kind of a weird thing where I'm going. Why am I not never invited better towards a bunch of guys? They just don't want me and that's one of my dear friends. Serenity was just like hey do you WANNA be down here? I'm like yeah. Of course I do but I don't know never asked. I don't know how to go about it later. That day I had an email which is kinda cool like. Hey come down here so you know thanks to nap blooming triple H. I went down there a couple times and then at the end of my first week. I got asked if I'd consider go overseas to coach Alec months at a time now. I don't know where that was going to be you know in England's Francs UK. Or whether it's going to be you know the Saudi stuff was starting to happen. There was there was a lot of rumors about an annex India at Mike. Yeah sure I'll go for months. I don't carry the runway businesses cool and they would have been cool it that they would be like. Look you know. We're going to open schools all over the world. You can still do what you do like. Don't use that exclusivity thing is not as much a thing anymore. We would just want you for a month to go down there and be a representative and train the guys. Yeah and I was thrilled and you know I went back home and working independence again. Run on my own places and starting get some producer experience with impact around New York or Philly. I started running the gorilla position and kind of helping out back there and strangely enough. It's kind of kind of greatest story. I've actually never said I'll say it here but Wrestlemainia Was the one. New York was at thirty five hundred thirty five so around that time. I guess coached ends is about four days before Wrestlemainia and I my partner Hawkins was like Hey They they need to guys to go to metlife stadium to wrestling match test the cameras and the audio and there's nobody available on Saturday. I'm guessing like guys were tied on. I'd up everybody's doing rehearsals. Or all whatever's going on again. Sure I'll do it and Another Person Cayenne was supposed to do it as well so I go there and it took me a while through security and get into the arena. Have any credentials high security? Basically I get through and I'm standing by the ring you know waiting on. Km who was stuck with security too and the camera guys get a little restless and they're kind of like you know they're awesome guys but they're they're like. Hey where's your where's your partner. 'cause they've got one hundred fiftieth wrestlemainia. They got one hundred things to do right. And it's Providence. It's like late at night on Saturday. Yeah no nose during the day up but like I'm so but no nobody's air except for us and I told him I go look. Do you guys want me to go in there? And Air and Russell Myself Myself. So you guys can go. Would you please absolutely invisible man literally lockup taking bumps Hide I think like I remember my helmet. Oh my God please tell me to stop because like four three or four minutes invisible match. You didn't realize you were right like I can't plump anymore. This is ridiculous and they're just like no thank you perfect. He just wanted to hear how the ring sounded and do all that so I leave there and then about about a couple of weeks. Later I get an email from a talent relations. Basically saying You've been approved to raw smackdown as an extra. I didn't apply for it though I'm like I haven't been an extra in like eight years to Meena. Not There's anything wrong with that but the that was wise is happening and I remember I reached out like hey I also felt a little strange because Hey I was just guest coaching. Is it okay for me to go as a extra right? Should I be doing that or will people think that graduated passed it? I like. You don't know what the you don't know what it means. I because I thought it was a mistake right. I'm like why am I getting this? You know nobody answering me so I went. I'm going go good and I go and the same thing kind of happens where I go there and I don't know what it was. I think it was Boston but Shane Helms jobs goes. Hey You know Triple h needs a match in the ring The third hour rumors go look more grittier. Different cameras right. I remember that. And he's like hey do you. Do you know any of these extra do it. I don't know any of them but let me do it. So I have a matching their and then that kind of led me or is it a match Wednesday. Was it a match with the person with actual purse? Okay that's great ways so we have a basic little match of feeling good and know everybody up there and It just leads to different conversations with different people you know about I think at that time the the they knew that run smack down the draft was coming up but I don't think it was no but the smackdown Fox or they knew that is happening so talent. The backstage was divided in half where they are people. They needed more producers and enough people. The current producer team spoke up for me or they're kind of like you know POW because he runs. Don't shows a good trainer. This that the other led to me being asked to be a producer. There which you know was something that. I never thought like when I was first brought up to me. They're like you know. Would you be interested in a producer here? You know what I think producer. I think you know person that aged out of wrestling or like someone that you know. Maybe can't really whatever the reason may be but then the company was really open minded towards younger perspectives and trends and mainly producers are people that have experience in. Wwe specifically right right right right. But what I was told to in particular was we we. Also we want someone who doesn't have that. Who has not been here? Sure you can learn the system but who offers a different perspective and then I was like. Oh my God like it's a business. I never thought I'd have but I kind of feel well-qualified for 'cause it's booking it's it's training. It's physicality it's everything. I've been doing an alleged for the job. Did you realize? Did you realize that you would turn into like and I was thinking about this too because I didn't think about it until later but like I was going back and watching like a old episodes of like superstars and stuff like that. And you remember like you'd see like Rene Goulet you'd see like Tony in Korea as a kid you're only experienced with those guys is. That's the guy in the suit that comes out and like does something like you never brings up the fight. You never knew his wrestling background. You kinda sometimes like gorilla monsoon or somebody would put him over so you'd realize he was arrested but that's all you knew him and I was like I wonder if for a generation of kids. They're going to be like that's Papa. He's the guy in the suit that comes out and gets in brock listener. Kicks his ass or something like that because for a while I mean for most of the time you were there you ended up on TV like constantly. Yeah there was you know for the heat for this year like I kind of tracking it down like. That's kind of cool because it would be. You don't was. I think it was a healthy. Go if you send someone out there like another producer like a shape like a Shane Helms or devore Michael Hayes. You disconnect because I know that Guy Awry. You're the recognizable but you send me and I haven't been in. Wwe So they're just like Oh. That's that's an official. That's a person and I would just fill US nerds. Pack Adam Peers. That's that is right. Yeah right yeah so. We became the kind of an era dot E. D. is always on and I think also if they if they need someone to get their take a bumper to sure I'm here so and also I I just. It may be excited. Give me something really fun to do like okay. I'm the suit guy I can. I have I don't know what to do now because I have like thirty. Forty five suits that I purchased. But I'm like okay. This is GonNa be my thing. I'll that's my thing and a lot of fun. Yeah I'm sure. How much did it change your perspective like when you start to see things from the inside and all of a sudden explanations for decisions I feel like you must have been in one those rare positions where everybody hears about decisions made especially if you being before you were where you were at? You'd hear from all these wrestlers that while this happened to me or your own personal thing. This happened to me when you are in that producer position. And you're talking to the higher ups and you're talking to everybody there and you're actually speaking with the decision makers about the decisions being made all of a sudden you getting explanations. I would imagine of decisions would have other than you would have just heard the results of you never would have gotten that kind of explanation for did it change your perspective on things to hear the thought process behind decisions getting made sometime sometimes. No I think what and the reason why almost no is because running so many shows myself It's just you you basically. I always said that. A good promoter. You're basically dealing with problems as they pop up and you have to kind of you know. Be Flexible and realize okay. This is situation that needs to be addressed. And how can we find the best method to do so? It wasn't always about you know you know it's it's also weird because and this is what I try to do with my own promotion my own training school where you make a decision and you're going to carry it out and then some someone brings up a different perspective and it's actually better so you you change it because you want the best thing the best decision to be there for your products and sometimes there's outside you know how how deep things go with networks or you know little little things we could. We could plan entire thing around some sort of physicality but if we're working in the state of Kentucky that has specific rules legally with a commission that were not allowed to do that then and maybe it slip through the cracks. We have to kind of rearrange everything. So there's there's all these things that go into such a high caliber television production with WWe. That kind of you have to learn how to adapt and kind of we get the right decision. But also you know being producer. You're you're you are involved in the scope of things but more so it's like a section of the television you see he is designated you so while we we do have that established connection with kind of giving our and that was my favorite thing about the job and and probably my favorite thing about About Vince was that he always wanted it back and cared about our feedback. So like that was really you know. And we'd have to answer right in different things like that and he's reading them so I thought that stuff was really really cool but a lot of times. We're kind of we. We we can give scope of what's going on and see how things chain but we are in charge of what of what our particular match for segment is so almost all focus and attention. Goes that because we want that to be the best so sometimes things would occur that that you know we got three hours of content one night three hours plus it. I mean three hours plus another additional half hour our main events and you know two hours of smackdown with to a five live and then there's also you know on most events oppo show dark match which will have a producer with it too. There's so much going on at sometimes you're just designated to your you. WanNa whatever you're in charge of that night that's your number one focus Ryan so it's just you know it's almost overwhelming but it it's it's such a it's always like. Tv's are just like come on man let's get like you gotta have that passionate energy and and really got a you know. T- take it all in but also know when you have to focus on what you've been assigned to do. Yes every you we. We know we know going in there. This is what you're going to have and you know a couple of days before you're thinking about how do I make this match or the segment? The best could possibly be so. We're kind of you. Know Tunnel Vision. But then we also give a Grand Prix Feedback on what else is going on. Is it tough for you? As a promoter at heart who comes from like okay. I was just promoting shows. I was the man in charge. I had my hands on everything to be like. Okay Pat. You're totally in charge of your thing but gesture thing channel all your energy into here and don't worry about the rest of the stuff. Is it difficult for you not to worry about the rest of the stuff when you were so used to worrying about the rest of the stuff? I think because this this position was so this is my first time being with with me and being in such what I think is a really t- to me I. I've worked with everybody in this industry. Those producers Our people the world some of the greatest minds. So when you're I think that I really liked contributing and work. I think the most rewarding part of it was a working with the talent so I just look forward to okay. This is my match this week. This is the talent I'm working with. How how do we do? We bring the best out of them. You know if if if I if we all exhausted ourselves with kind of focusing and also not for nothing to if a Whatever whatever your second is for your producer your. That's your baby. So you know what I mean like if who am I to ever casually Us producers would offer suggestions to each other like. Hey just had this idea take it or leave it. What do you think? And but that's they're they're in charge of that. So why would I want to cross? Oh you know what I mean like occasionally like Michael as always GonNa be great advice that. That's a really good idea you that in you know so like I i. I just felt like we were in Arch or the way I approach. It was whatever before. That's number one priority. Ge Ever have that I can't remember. His name. Escapes me at the moment. I'm kicking myself. But the promoter from beyond the Mat. Who shows up? And he's like you know I mean we're just running out of our our garage now but I mean couple years Rupert Rolling Rolling Rolling Rolling. When he's looking around he's going like you know maybe we could we. Could we could be this big. You know it's funny now because the current I want to create a pro yesterday just to kind of check the school and walk around just to see how everything is right now. I'm doing that. I'm like I'm going to turn this plan the next development of course but of course it could. I mean you know. It's so funny like after. This happens to you right after you become producer fulltime producer. Wwe STRAIGHT UP. You must have that feeling of like you know what we're in this life where weird things happen and literally anything could happen. Oh it's crazy. Yeah I felt that way accepting you know All the producers Air I think our world lifers like no matter what you're going to see all of us until the day they decide to retire like I knew that for my self that I was convinced that you know after leaving this experience. Whatever happens next like a monster. I can't tell you I go back next week or I could never go back. I have no clue but just the fact that can kind of look back and go. Wow the last year you know. I was one of the Sixteen fifteen people that was responsible for. Essentially I look at us. We were part of one of the things that was said to me. I thought was really interesting. Was You know where we're one of the few generations it gets to work with or one of the only generations get to work with someone my age working directly events I like. Oh wow that's kind of cool so I can just kind of take that experience and put it into whatever. The next thing is and You know like it's it's just kind of surreal in a way even though it's bittersweet I guess you can say yeah no I totally got it and it really is amazing that like yeah the that somebody. That's your age has that perspective. Everybody's got an opinion on Vince. Mcmahon and on wwe inside and outside the wrestling industry. Like everybody knows everybody's gotten opinion. Everybody thinks that he does this. But I mean there's so few people that actually understand what it is. I don't even understand what it is to actually worked directly with him and actually hear how his mind works and everything that to me would probably be the most fascinating part of the whole process that you went through. I think so. I mean 'cause it's that's that's the guy and I really didn't when I when when I took this job I didn't really know how directly that relationship would be. I didn't know that every single I made it a point of practically every single time at work. It's going to be hemmed. I in a room doing something you know. Or or me Pitching an idea. Or there's some sort of interaction and that they were all great experiences you know they were all tremendous learning experiences at made me better my position and there were. I learned and will just have you know from that. That promoter perspective me learned so much that now. I am able to take that and put that wherever. And there's a lot there's just so many great minds when you're when you're you know working with him in and Bruce and hunter and just and all the producers collectively you know just. I felt like I was in the. Who's who of wrestling minds. You know and really learning different people's leaderships styles and how they deal with talents and how they come up with ideas you know. Some guys were very good on coming up with creative. Finishes some are really really good at just knowing how to say the right thing to a talent to motivate them. It's not just about you know the story lines and it's about it's we're we're coaches we're not just producing matches. Were really responsible for bringing the best out of every single talent that there is you know. That's that's and being you know it. It's not an easy job either are we. We have to the the company comes first and we have to be the bearer bad news. I love the job I really do. And it was just such a tremendous at first a little seeing how everything was as within after a couple of weeks like to be in charge of matches that were very important high-calibre like I'm proud of that. Yeah how long does it take you to get rid of any imposter syndrome? That's how long does it take you to go like no. I'm fully capable of producing this matter. Nope I know exactly how to pitch to somebody like Vince. Mcmahon in and I can I can pitch this idea whether he likes it or not I know I know I can pitch this idea and be comfortable one of my favorite things and I didn't expect this was when I first got the the job I worried that going up there will if I work with particular talent. Say like around your more someone on you know. It's one thing if you have a fit Finlay or you know someone producing your match but you know I'm younger. I don't come from the W. World. Hauer certain talents going to react to me being. They're producing their match and I couldn't have been further wrong like the everybody was incredible and I was kind of shocked. People that you wouldn't expect to know the independent wrestling scene. They all knew who I was and that to me when I'm not seeing from ego saying because I was surprised right I was really surprised. How no we we know of? You were aware view and it that imposter syndrome. It goes away quickly because people can see through. You know one thing i. I want to hear the talents ideas first and then tweak them and then offer you know there are some people that I know in wrestling that they have their set. Mindset is how it's going to be and it doesn't work you know what I mean so that it was such an incredible and I bring up randy because like randy was so incredible know had a couple of his matches. Great any offer you know unique takes offer just a thing it. I really felt like I belonged. And you could see with you. Know how the outside Sling world matters. So that's the number one thing I take from that. Is that what you do in the wrestling business? Outside of their you know because there used to be thing that what you did before do we didn't matter well I'll tell you like it matters now. It was different back then or need us even different ten years ago but I think the respect of your peers happen with what you do outside of their because when you come in they'll be all I know that that person to have just for him where I know that person L. and other people I don't think you know it won't work out for them but is unique unique time. Yeah I'm sure Does your promoter part of your brain ever turn off like you ever go like okay. You know wrestle pros in good hands. I don't need to think about that or even like as this is all happening. Like as quarantine is starting even though you're not in your mind you're like well. I'm a producer with wwe. Now I don't really need to think about how to run show you know outside of this. Are you still somewhere in your brain going like okay? Well how would I have run? Shows how do I think this is all going to work out it at first when I first got up there It turned off for a little bit and I really delegated responsibility to to my crew and then towards the end I started taking habits that I developed up there and and kind of and they were more communication skills. There were more figuring away to Make finish his better figure out a way to kind of just. I took a lot. I got more involved towards the later months and now it's now it's really really kicked on. I mean to be perfectly honest to some things are in the act my brain. I love being a producer but being in my mid thirties. Anyone who's anyone can still go and wrestling still wants to perform this. Don't WanNa work. The you know that they wanna be in the ring or do something and like I always had that each however my jobs producer. That's what I do and happy to do it. And that's what you're I'm here for. It's like now that that's not happening. My I'm looking at it. From every perspective from the future promoting shows to producing my shows to be in a wrestler on my shows but everywhere else in essentially working with other companies to see where I land. Yeah Yeah I mean it's it's it's you're right about it being an amazing time and you have hit the ground running. Launching your podcast. The PAT buck show. Everyone's out so you can find it. Had Buck show of your search apple or wherever you get podcast. You'll find it. But you merely got back into podcasts world and I liked what I heard on the first episode where you're kind of and I think this is what people should do when they're podcasting sticking to your expertise in the sense that you're like it's a lot of it is focused on training and and helping wrestlers from that perspective and I feel like as a fan and maybe it's just because I'm so such a wrestling nerd like I'm GonNa WanNa listen to a podcast. That's intended to kind of teach wrestlers a little bit just because it'll help me as a fan understand the business more right. I've always felt that you know. Since obviously are you know we say the term sports entertainment or predetermined whatever may be? But I've always felt like if you pull the curtain back a little more that those people were not not fans like us will appreciate wrestling a thousand times over. They'll really get it. You know the PODCAST I want to. I really did. Miss podcasting and the premise of this show is kind of. I was trying to think about a particular avenue wrestling. But I'm kind of involved in a lot of stuff so I didn't know where to start. You know. My first episode is really kind of a calling card to those hitting the independence left w e because a lot of them don't know what to do even those at that broken enhancement about an experience. They leave their net Alan. They're kind of all. What do I do now? And I've seen a lot kind of make. The most of their paternity and use this time period to elevate themselves to go back and really cash in and make that impact. And then you've seen other people crash burn so. I kind of wanted to address that first episode just like. Hey I'm here for you guys but more so. This is what I kind of basic things. I think he should do or shouldn't do because I've navigated these waters for for a long time so Yet but also getting to training stuff you know I. I'm just count the number one thing I miss. The most is training school so I can't wait till opens back up. I'm just I'm just itching to hit the ground running even more and do something physical. Yeah did you have to take a couple of days after Would I mean I don't even really know the difference? I don't Know Business Enough. I guess but do you. Were you released furloughed or or you said earlier. You don't know you could be back tomorrow. You could never be back. You could be back after quarantine who knows. Is that kind of just where you're at pretty much. I mean I think the main reason why this this producers Every single week we have a live events right. And you have two to three depending on the show a raw brand show. You have to producers in charge. And we are the go-to guys were in charge of everything. If you have a combined show it's three to four producers meaning because they're bigger shows both talent from both brands and for tours always producer there. So now it's not just the TV's TV's are still running. They're they're doing what they're doing but we needed a huge group produce or enough of us to run these lap events. We don't know where live events are going so I think if that opportunity presents itself again I would have to happen when live events. Start opening up right. Because we're you know. Non Televised Stop the producers run run run shop where in charge so That's kind of the. I think everything. Just so gosh up in the air right now that we really don't know. I think that all of us collectively that were released or furloughed will will You know I think that everybody did a tremendous job. We had a great team so I think we could all go back eventually. If that's something doesn't pop up before them. Yeah I mean I'd have to imagine that it's kind of re- it's gotTa be reassuring on a certain level then clearly. These are not performance based cuts their situation based cuts and the fact is that they brought in a ton of new producers because the company grew and the world is made it so the company has now shrunk in not in terms of you know anything other than how wide their footprint is and what they're doing they're no longer going to you know two hundred different arenas every year and have 'em being all over the place now we've narrowed down to. This is the spot that we're in right now so even on the same day. Yeah there could be a raw live event happening in Saint Louis and we have our own crew there. While smackdown his touring right. Louche RIGHT SO I. It was just really a numbers game right and I think you know For myself at least you know a lot of the newer the newer producers you know myself and Lance in you know Dr Ian stuff like we were the newer guys and you know that that's just the way it is but yeah we'll we'll see what happens. Yeah do you Do you have a favorite moment or match or thing that you did while you were in? Wwe You're responsible for my two favorite matches that I really enjoyed had A lot of fun with in got along with the great the first one was like Astra Black and Buddy Murphy when they had that really you know killer killer match. That was a I liked. I liked working with. I don't WanNa see new school guys but I think that I'm a really good fit for if I can explain this and wrestling cut. I think we appreciate this that you know if you have a it goes back to if you had a producer who whatever they come from chances are they're taste and their their skillset will reflect. The style that they're used to you know wrestling sped up so greatly. Where if you're looking for if you have two caliber athletes like an ostrich black and a buddy murphy and you're trying to figure out all the intense action that they do in Rela- that cameraman and mentally know all the different. There's not just like okay. They do these sort of moves but the emotional parts of the match mixed in with the high paced action. I think you need. That's where the new school mentality comes in. Search liked having things like that. That was one of my favorites. My second one was just from Saudi Arabia With Naomi and Bailey that that felt. Wow Yeah that was a really fun match to have just because you know coming off. Saudi Arabia has if I can share some positive news about this. They become more liberal. Yes if you watch like the first women's match with Natalia and Alesi if he knows very reserved yep it was a very basic kind of thing while since then you know. They were totally cool with nine dancing. They were they were they were. They embraced they had a real competitive. You know they're the action packed match and That was one of my favorites. And I think creatively coming up with Different things for that was was my one of my best matches their I think. Yeah I mean I remember that match specifically I had no idea it was your match but I remember that match Pacific because I felt like it was on the level. Maybe you know the first is always going to be the first right. And that's such a huge step forward. But I felt like this that match. It was underrated. What another step. It was because exactly because they were being their characters and that wasn't happening. I mean lacy ended up. Going turning baby-faced kind of based on that match because he wasn't a heel and it was such a moment and it was more about the moment than the competitors but I remember when that match was announced I was like I don't know if Naomi is the greatest pick in the world. Not because she's not amazing but because I don't know what Naomi is if she's not dancing and doing that kind of way over the top seller Tori character and when she came out doing the character and when Bailey actually came out. He'll I thought that that was a big deal. Because I felt like you know the the women aren't going to be treated equally. You're certainly not going to allow women to come out there and be disrespectful to the audience. But when I saw when I saw Bailey come out and actually being a heel. I was like this is it. This is for real now. This is your really happens and those are all my concerns going into it. I found out a couple maybe a week or two before that had matched and going into it. I had always concerns. Because imagine being in producers are in charge of that match. We are something goes right. You know we get we get credit. Something goes wrong. It's you know it's a it's on us so with that being said I'm like well. What if I need to look into all these different things die only comes out dancing and we have and I've I've I've offended a whole country so I had to kind of bring up all these different concerns and what I think is really cool is actually Big Burke. He is responsible for the relationship between or the he was very knowledgeable at the Customs Saudi Arabia and he was the one in for me. How liberated that they're more liberal and saying basically this is different from our first time and they can equally are and there's really early any limitations or things like that so that was really again after it just felt felt really good. We all really you know it felt. That was most significant match that I had this year. So and just an amazing thing to that you go from like you know. I'll be coach of the performance center. You'd literally go from Yeah. I'm accepting this job that I never thought would be offered to me and I'm worried that people won't even know who I am to within a few months being one of the people on a plane to Saudi Arabia to be controlling those matches. I mean that's such a great jerry. I was thinking about like as I was thinking about the fact that we're going to talk today. I was like and I. I know that used to have like. Maybe you still do the Ram logo on your on your tights being the railway ram and I was like Pat Buck especially now I feel like you are the positive version of the movie. The wrestler like this this is what and it's amazing young but the but this is what a lifetime in wrestling looks like when it actually works you know what I mean. I appreciate that one because I'm randy the ram mark more. So I think guys got there are a lot of. There are a lot of guys out there that I went through such negative stuff for so long or such failed ventures and like but I would still keep doing it and going to show isn't being disappointed and we're having great matches having bad matches having all these different experiences and I'm Mike Willis ever amount to anything and I kind of look back ten years and eleven years in looking back on like I guess I'm a failure I don't know but then when I really kind of just took a different direction started promoting and training and different avid wrestling like. I'm so glad I went through all those those rejections and all those different times because there's very few things professional wrestling that you know that I don't have some sort of experience with like pulling myself out of you know and that's the thing too where I'll miss. The job comes back great. If it doesn't I'm still going to be in wrestling the rest of my life you know and I'll be somewhere else where I'll be myself so I think it's there's always somewhere to there's always somewhere to go. I hate saying as cornball sounds you know I'm kind of proof of it that you can you can basically you know things can ha- if you if you stick with it long enough you know in really have a true passion for what you do. You can figure out a way to some some some way make a living in wrestling and then eventually you know. I don't know I. It's it's weird because I see a Lotta guys I've seen people are so dead set on being a wrestler and then a referee opportunity opens up. They can actually get that and they turn it down because you know that's how they wanna be or a wrestler our struggles and some. Hey she manager. You should the role of a manager and I don't want to be a manager and they miss out an opportunity. I've kind of always been say yes to everything kind of thing and see where it lands and right now I think you know it it. Just luckily it kind of worked out. It's a little scary because I don't know where everything is going to go but I just I've been in worse situations. You know what I mean. Now I get I get to leave a better resume in better connections and figure out like what content can I produce in a postcode world that you know yes? I do run promotional my own company if you will but you know secret. I hope I'm the one running. You know a bigger company essentially wrestling so I just And also not for nothing just kind of again that's cornball but of managed to keep reputation pretty solid over the years just because this business is hard enough as it is so. I always made sure that you know I delivered on my word you know. Try to look after people's best your ability and just be real like if you don't like somebody or don't like what they're doing you know. I'm I'll be the first one you've got. Hey I don't I don't really like what you're doing. And here's why and just kind of having a reputation of being a straight shooter and most of the time doing the right thing. I mean there's been plenty times in promoting where we should make that decision or made a mistake or dealt with someone badly but you can always you know you never want to kind of be asked and like all the time I was not me you know. I told him like it. Is You know. I'm going to try to motivate them and and figure out how to bring the best performer out of them. And I think there's just so many people that are hose and wrestling and felony. And just Kinda WanNa tell you wanna hear and like I tell guys like it's a lot of people ask me. How do you play the politics game in wrestling Mike Politics game like just be genuine and be? They're like well. Have you ever complimented somebody after their match like no? I don't WanNa do that because that's playing politics. I go well if you mean it. You're not playing politics. I mean you could be a good dude like oh I like that and I'm like I like it. I like it if if somebody likes what I did. I really like it when they tell me so. I'll bet that other people feel that way too. If I were to tell them that I liked that. And it's so important and I go to if it's fake if you didn't like what they did in the ring don't go hey great match brother but like there are so many times especially in me where two people would crush it. And I'm sitting in the locker room washing it or I'm somewhere in the building. It's not even my match go. I'm going to go there right now and tell them how much I enjoyed it or what. I liked it because they they need to hear it. And it's it's genuine so like I never played politics. My life just be genuine. Don't be a jerk and kind of you know eventually develop a reputation where your people want to have you around. So yeah does your life lessons. Does that wrestling lessons robot wrestling his life. If you can manage it in wrestling you can manage in life. I truly believe that I yeah. We'll see right. I think maybe I should be doing something. Non SPANDEX but I always get brought right back in and you should and everybody should follow the journey. The Pat bug is on because it's the most sensational story I think the PAT buck show is going to be the place to follow that journey. You can find it wherever you got this podcast. I'm sure the PAT buck show will pop up. I got it on apple but I'm sure it'll be everywhere else and pat man. It's always it's always great checking in with you. Thanks man thanks for having me. Thanks for wanting to promote on social media. It's the same as my mantra. Which is buck never stops love it. Thanks man thanks for listening. Follow at not Salem on twitter Instagram facebook and Youtube Raid Review Subscribe. This has been SAM wrestling.

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Pat Buck Goes to Alaska - Notsam Wrestling 235

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Pat Buck Goes to Alaska - Notsam Wrestling 235

"If you've ever stopped at a railway crossing the signals or flashing, and you don't see the train or it looks like it's moving slow, and you're thinking, maybe you could get across the tracks before the train comes think about this in twenty eighteen alone. Two hundred seventy people were killed at railroad crossings two hundred and seventy stop trains can't now let's get into this week's not Sam wrestling. Is. Introducing your host from New York here is Sam rulers. Oh, yeah. From New York here in the Nazi 'em studio. By the way, I forgot to tell you guys. I can't believe it slipped. My mind. It's just been such a busy time lately. I got to see Howard Finkel and spend a little bit of time very little bit of time with Howard Finkel over wrestlemainia weekend. You know, when you go to wrestlemainia weekend there and you check into the hotel. Of course, the WWE has all the the WWE people in the same hotel over the course of the entire weekends. So the people can go to access and hall of fame and take over and wrestlemainia proper. And they've shuttles going everywhere and everything it's a it's a beast. A lot is taken into account as the whole operation progresses. And one of the things that you do if you're working for WWE is for wrestlemainia only. This doesn't happen at any other show. But for wrestlemainia only they actually take over one of the big rooms like a ball. Ballroom type room in the hotel, and they turn it into a green room, and this becomes the room. Not only where people can go and meet up before they had out to whatever signings or whatever shows or whatever it is that they have to do wrestlemainia weekend. But when you're checking into the hotel instead of going to the normal front desk, you go to this green room. And so I went in and over wrestlemainia weekend. I got to Brooklyn on the Thursday, and I checked into the hotel, and you know, they they also have a little gift bag where you get a wrestlemainia t shirt and a sweatshirt and a gym bag. It says wrestlemainia on and you get your hotel room keys and find out where your room is. And you do the whole deal, and you're gonna program that was very important to me because this year it was the second year in a row that I was featured in the wrestlemainia program, but the first year that my beard was featured in the wrestlemainia program. So big time to be the last professional broadcaster to say the least. But there he was sitting right there. As I checked in. He himself had grown a nice fluffy beard living in the lap of luxury. Howard Finkel was there, and you know, Howard, I guess is gone through some health problems as of late, but he was in super high spirits. He was saying hi to everybody who just hanging out in the green room. Everybody was coming up to see him. We were chitchatting the whole deal, and it was really really great to see Howard Finkel yet. I haven't really spoken to much lately. Just because he's been going through what he's been going through. But the tales of Howard Ingles. Demise have been greatly exaggerated. He's doing great, and he was really really upbeat. And it was really great to see the man the mid the legend and the individual who I think at the very beginning. When not Sam wrestling, you know, whatever it is two hundred thirty some odd episodes ago when not same wrestling with Sam Roberts wrestling podcast. I think that the first thing that added credibility to this show. Oh beyond the fact that the last professional broadcaster was present was that our Ingles voice was on it. You know, I think that Howard has done a lot of that for a lot of people. And I always really really appreciate it to the point where when we redesign the production for this show when we made it when we made San Roberts wrestling podcast, officially not saying wrestling, the only thing I insisted was that we keep the original elements of Howard Finkel voice. Just because it's something that I'm I'm so honored to have as part of the show. So it's really really cool. And it was great to see him. We're gonna get into a lot. I promise you this week here on the podcast. Of course, the entire state of wrestling still to come. I will talk about my commentary debut main event came out this week. It hit Hulu, I think on Thursday or Friday and leave it to yours. Truly a lot of controversy was drummed up. I will talk about it in the bridge segment this week after we listened to the interview my interview. This week is with none other than the man who is the owner and the the head of wrestle pro. His name is Pat buck Pat buck has been on the podcast before when we went for the patriots exclusive all in Poche. Oh, that's patriot dot com slash not Sam wrestling, Pat. Buck was my co host and added a major major perspective on that whole thing. But Pat started I mean, he's a wrestler by trade, and he still wrestles super super actively for a lot of different promotions, especially here on the east coast. But pat. He runs a company here on the east, call wrestle pro. And he started you know, he was in WWE's developmental territory. I think Ohio valley way back when and it just didn't pan out for him. And he went knee went on the independence. And it was it was going. Okay. But it didn't quite have that own f- that he thought it needed to have any ended up starting his own promotion. He's also he runs creative pro alongside curt Hawkins, it's their school. But even before that he was running a school there in New Jersey. And I think it's been amazing to watch this guy go because not only has Russell pro been super successful as a local promotion here on the east coast. They had a couple of big big shows over wrestlemainia weekend. They do a lot of business with impact wrestling a lot of talent gets exchanged over there. Wrestle pro is where KM Kevin Matthews came. From Russell pros where followed by came from m j f who's been on the podcast and just sign. Into all elite was trained at create a pro and came from Russell pro tons of guys tons of guys have come through those doors, but I was really really interested. Because Pat made the announcement few months ago that wrestle pro was going to run Alaska now, I didn't know wrestle pro to run anywhere outside the east coast. So for them to just make the big announcement. Hey, we're going to Alaskan. We're bringing Mick Foley with us. I was kind of mind blown by the whole thing. But the show went down this weekend. I was following along with it on several different, Twitter and Instagram accounts of wrestle pro and the people associated with Russell pro. And I just thought it was amazing. I thought it was an amazing thing for wrestling. And I thought it was an amazing thing for these guys to be able to take independent wrestling outside of the city of the town of the state that they're used to performing in and take it way up to the deep deep north Alaska. So literally just got off a plane this week. He just got. Home from this show. So I reached out to them right away. And I said, Pat, I would love to hear about your experience here on the podcast. And I think that the not Samsonite would be fascinated by the whole trip. So we're gonna get into all of it. We're going to get into Alaska. We're gonna get into what the what the what the crowd looked like in terms of how many people were there in terms of how they reacted. We'll talk to Pat about his wrestling career and a whole lot more my guest on not Sam wrestling this week is none other than the buzz killer, Pat, buck, let's get to it. Then not Sam wrestling interview back on not Sam wrestling fresh off of a trip to Alaska. He is the owner the head and a star of Russell pro. He is the buzz killer. He is Pat buck, Pat, what's the hap Smolin lodge changes? I've been been here less time. So I think we have a lot to talk about and Alaska's probably most interesting thing, I could talk about it, surely the. Recent thing, right. Yeah. I just got off the plane yesterday. So I mean, it was pretty not. So I heard of course, you know, wrestle pro is kind of the little company that could it's your it's your, you know, and we talked about it when you kinda were first starting wrestle pro. That was your way of going. You know, it looks like I'm not getting a ton of opportunities in the world of wrestling to make a time living. So you got to this point where it was either invest everything and just go for it and do wrestle pro and create a pro and create create this thing that can make a fulltime living or go and do something else in and this thing is paid off for you huge to the point that like a couple months ago. I started seeing stuff online that you were like, you know, nobody's really done an independent wrestling show in Alaska. I should be that guy kind of yet. That's exactly right with the whole how I started promoting and switch from being a wrestler guide to promoter Booker trainer guy. It was part of it was for survival. Where it was like, hey, I can stay in this when I left early when I let FCW or early next he would ever want to call it. I went back to the independent scene. And at that time, it was two thousand twelve I don't think it was the animal that it is today. And I was wrestling for a lot of places that were not rewarding. I couldn't you know. I had no incoming off of FCW in two thousand twelve is certainly not coming off of annex t in two thousand nineteen sure. Like, it's two different every the whole world. I mean, it's so weird that two thousand twelve is really not that long ago. But the whole wrestling world was a completely different space. Everything has changed everything. It's changed from three years ago to be honest. So at that time, I went sort of wrestling for a lot of places, and I didn't have a lot of input. I wasn't really happy with you know, I love being in. The ring, but there's so many, you know, this is a wrestler in in any business that that the entering parts of fun fun stuff. But everything else was just a drag. And I said, I don't know where my career is going to go. So let me try to put on one show and one show turned into. I think a hundred and eighty right now, busy, they like that's so interesting because you go, you know, everything that's not in ring is such a drag. How do I control the stuff? That's not in ring. I kinda got to be the guy in charge. Right. Yeah. Yeah. So at least I can well, I just kept, you know, for those people that are actually start their own thing or thinking about it. You you have these thoughts like men, I think I can do this a little bit better. And I started having those thoughts, you know, I hate to be somewhat arrogant, but sitting in Lovie w locker room for so long after his wrestling, a four five minute match on TV and having all that time. And I'd be like, I think this would be a lot better, and it would never speak up about it. But all these thoughts over the years and all these different locker rooms, I went, you know, what let me stop thinking about it. Let me just try it. So that led to you know, the first show, and then people that are. Crazy to start training school. Because of that time who are you? You're just a guy that spent some time developmental. Why would anyone want to train with you? Right. It's not like you're putting a name on the Mark. He yet. Right. Not a TV star. Not a hall of Famer not whatever you at the time. I was I was twenty seven years old. Why would I wanna learn from your kind of failed wrestler, and I'm like, yeah. I kind of. But here's what I do know in the ring and that led to I think create a pro has one of if not the one of the top if the V top training schools in the country in New Jersey and New York. Well, all of a sudden, you went from like that story to also. Yeah, I run the school with my partner who's one of the ROY tag team champions true. Get situa weird because curt Hawkins and the school that you're describing this before Hawkins was involved, but even Hawkins gets involved. Yeah. This is when he's not in WWE short. And that's another thing where it's like. Okay. Well, you know Hawkins was. Cool in WWE, and he was an edge head. But at the time, we don't know or quite frankly think that he's going back. Yeah. So it's like, okay, again, it's not like he's this giant massive star. It's like, but he knows what he's doing. So it's like we're having Pat buck and Brian Myers now evolving your school to create a pro. And all of a sudden wrestle pro does what recipes does alongside? You Hawkins ends up. Splitting away going back to w even Hawkins does. With Hawkins does. And you're left with this monster kind of. Yeah. Pretty much, and it's, but it just goes to show you that if you're passionate that the reason why we hung on. So long is passion, you know? When Hawkins was released from W E like yet so much passion to go out there. And be like, all right. I'm an indie brother now doing everything. And that led to you know, we started the school earlier than that. Because he came to my school was like man, I love this. Let's open one. Okay. Cool. Let's open one. So we did that. And I think him and I being around and being so passionate about. Wrestling twenty four hours a day has led to I think him, and I both have had the wildest month in pro wrestling. You know, this month has been absolutely crazy and rewarding. And now we get to look back and go, oh, man, although sacrifices all those investments are are worth it. And yet now kind of you know, peaceful very much involved in create a pro reservoirs kind of my own thing. But as far as the training schools, you know, everything's been pretty good, man. Yeah. And you know, and you got your your really quickly to I feel like we talked to 'em J F when he was here. Right. There was like the week before you announced he was doing a w and he said, I don't know what I'm going to be doing. But. But but like you already have somebody like that who is a graduate of creative pro to be like the results are already showing. And it's not been in business for all that long. Yeah. We've been around. I think five years of in training people seven years, and that was another thing where over time people come down to the school nego-, well, who's in WVU trained, go. Nobody rhino who who's done this or that. And I'm just open and honest, where I'm like, look there's gonna be, but a lot of times a lot of these Russell schools would be like, hey, we're responsible for this guy. Just because guy trained there for a week. Or maybe came there for three months does comedy barkers and Times Square there. You like Dave Chapelle? I'm to this comedy mom, and you're like tapes Chapelle, never mended. This comedy clubs. Exactly how it is. Like they've been through the building or took a picture in that building. And or somehow, you know, someone started there, and it's the wrong mindset. I tell people when check out my school. Hey, come watch a class that I teach and you decide if it's for you or not so but luckily this year. Things are changing where a lot of our guys do have annexed. He tryouts MGM signed with all eat wrestling. I was told yesterday that one of our most promising students has a trial coming up for in in July for the performance center. So it's it's that's changing to a lot of our guys are all over wrestlemainia in big Batista's entrance and carrying velveteen dreamed of the ring, and whenever they're up here, w is really relying on create approach is awesome. Yeah. It was cool to see that whole weekend. Checking on MS and Shane McMahon as they crashed through. Metlife stadium and everything. So you how does the opportunity to run Alaska pop up because Russell pro is not a touring group. Right. I mean, it is in the sense that maybe locally we have no backers we were truly independent, right? Like, you're just sitting there, and you are making the call to get the building and ralway to get the building over here to get this building over there. But like outside of New Jersey New York area have you run. I mean, how many shows have you run outside New York, New jersey, not many there's been a couple in near Philadelphia been one or two in Connecticut. And that's really that's really it. So then you go will you know, we could try the mid west. We could try the south. Let's let's try Alaska. Yeah. How does this come about? Well, the break that down to just because you have such a smart fan base that listened to the show and the independent wrestling, and they think of I guess every almost every promotion outside of WWE, they consider independent wrestling. But the thing is that right? A lot of these places have companies backing them where you know. True independence me is it's one guy or family just backing and paying all the bills and trying to make it work. So when you say a family, you mean, a traditional family family, the confidently sample. Yeah. I would love if some sort of you know, NFL team would like to back Russell produce more than open. Technically WWE is backed by a family true. Very just happens to be the McMahon family. Most independence are backed by people who are working fulltime jobs to support that independent Russian. So that to me that's the spirit of independent wrestling. So same thing, we'll wrestle pro. It just me for this show in particular the way it happened is you're kind of running shell. So that you can pay for the next show. Oh, yeah. In the next show pretty on the next show in. That's it's like if one show crashes it's going to hurt and we'll put us out of business. Oh, man. Three shows that are bad Yumgan. So that's it five years or over many years. It's been three bad shows on your toes three high, but three high budget shows. Yeah. We're we're we're completely gone. So the way this came up was so we which leads us to yet to idea to run Alaska. Hey, man, got everything was has been coin flip in my career. Everything has been taken chance or you know, when I went down nuts keep going back to the past. But I was never offered. A contract w was kind of hey, moved down Lovie w Kentucky in your own dime. Take that chance. So I've taken chances and some of them failed and some them paid off doing the show. I had whatever money my savings accounts who put on one professional wrestling shows that or put it down payment to go back to college or go to grad school and the went up you're on the wrestling show. What would you have gone to grad school for? I wanted to work. I wanted to be a physician's assistant schools always been really easy to me. And I wanted to work in the health field somehow, and I thought Dr would be a little bit too long. So I wanted to work somewhere where I could you know, work in the medical field. But I went to hey, let me put on. But pro wrestling show in the rec center put on a raffling show. It's exactly it. And so the with Alaska we heard about this. I over as time goes. On been really blessed where I'm actually being used by a lot more companies now and between working and producing and coaching that might time with Russell pro. I've been pulled away a bit. So I've had to rely on, you know, different people one of them being KM from who was formerly with impact wrestling when my best friends he's kind of the Booker wrestle pro now. And he was Love's Alaska he goes there. He enjoys it really like vacation. He only went there once last year, right, right? And he just fell in love fell in love. Okay. And then we heard about this wrestling show fifteen years ago that ran in Alaska that did very very well that had like road warrior animal on it a couple of EC w guys and apparently like rock the place and they killed it. And we started looking into it and went W E goes there. Maybe once every five years, and I looked at it from he's like, do you want me was shown Alaska? I'm like, I don't know. But did you look at late what WWE draws that? They only go there every five years or do. They only do. Okay. You know, I think they do very well. But I think the big thing with. Esca the problem is travel and the predictable weather, and you can only run with a certain, you know, you can run any month, but you're running into problems owning. So that's you know, April and October were ideally, the ones that were the best months where there's not a lot of terrible weather or from when we hear we've and we also hear that the busiest time of year for them or winter and summer because people do migrate there. But for the cost of the arena, all these the numbers attracted me to Alaska, I looked at that. And luckily, I've been blessed with I know how to do this financially. So I looked at it like the building was very affordable compared to, you know, New York, New jersey area where everything is expensive the only burden was travel. But what we did was really. We did our homework. So we teamed up with a local promotion there that does run shows they run, you know, there is Alaska in wrestling believe it or not there they not to level of other places, but they do their best. So we teamed up with them. So we had the equipment we had boots on the grounds. We didn't have to like. To figure out how to get a ring to Alaska, for example. That was the biggest fear. There's only one professional wrestling ring in Alaska that was was not even there's one ring state and one. And we found it. And we we worked in it. It was a sixteen foot ring the guy built it from scratch. Yeah. So it's not like it like somebody crazy went and got one from high spot or something like that. It's a guy who built a ring he built. And that's Alaska's ring. That's Alaska's ring. Yes. Incredible. It's it's absolutely amazing. And that was my biggest concern, my biggest concern is okay. Like a couple days before the show. We have all the talent in town. I just picture there'd be no ring. I picture rolling at like the blue Matt's like Nikolai Volkov. Yeah. And on my what are we going to do? But but the ring was there, and I was blown away. It was really it was a little bit of a stiffer bump and the ropes are a little thinner. But it was it had ropes ropes and at and it was a ring. It was well kept. So you know, and the promoter over his name's Matt plant. You know, he raised a lot of local sponsorships people went. Whoa. What is this all the poster that we wanna be involved? So there's more sponsorships on that show than any show ever ran in my life. You know, we have Budweiser in the army. We had all these different things that helped contribute and get caught a lot of cost. So it to me it looked like a worthwhile. Venture. And you brought up make folly. Yes. That's the big big big name that you brought up. Right. Yeah. It was we knew that we had to go in there big. We couldn't just do. Hey, we're running wrestling known. Come. So Johnny impact came right? Johnny impacts of tie of Al Karim porn swat goal. We also had genera and MG f- Cabana. And all of our local guys. You know? I hate seeing local guys are Russell pro regulars. We. We wanted to make that too. We didn't wonders be like, hey, we're gonna put on a wrestling show part of the pride. And I'm glad this happened is we you know, we brought our own crew out. There. We flew them out we paid for their hotels. We paid for their. That's nuts. It was nuts. And it was very scary to go. And that's not. I mean, you would know better than me. But I am I feel like that's very atypical that have promotion would decide. Okay. We're going to run in Alaska, and then fly their regulars up and post them up in hotels like that doesn't happen, right? It doesn't have even for me. Now, I love being out there in the scene. I realized I gotta get myself to a lot of places because it not that promoters are cheap. They're not. It's just there's no money from it. The cost is crazy. But I would also imagine that your guys number one that bills like crazy. It's gotta build insane. Loyalty to the brand of wrestle pro from the guys as if they didn't have a before they're like, oh because you know, it's it's about from what what's happening at the top. Because that's what really rolls down. And the fact I think. I would imagine if I'm a local wrestle pro regular, and I don't really have these opportunities and Mike influence Alaska anywhere by anyone. But I'm like, you know, what I'm I'm down for Russell pro. And then I find out that you are not only booking Alaska. But you're like I want the rest of pro regulars there so much. So that I'm flying you guys. And I'm putting you up in hotels, and I'm doing this to me that makes me go. I'm gonna bust my ass for wrestle pro. This guy believes in this much. He's treating me like a star. All of a sudden. Yeah, I'm gonna go out there. And I'm gonna be a star for him right to be honest thought of it that way. But I I guess that is true. I would hope so anyway, I just looked at it. Like, I looked at these guys that they deliver on my shows, and they just haven't had the platform to really have light shine upon when the light shine upon them. They'll they'll accelerate they'll rise. But I knew that it was just important to have our brand of guys up there. Because if this does become a regular thing, which we are gonna run Alaska again is that? They have to be familiar with our talent they can't walk in and just expect will what what's going to be the hodgepodge of whatever I bring up there. Let's see these guys that we saw really kick butt last time, and and get them over and long-term for wrestle Brel even on a local level. It's one thing to say. Oh, Pat, the guy who promotes these shows also promoted a show in Alaska. It's another thing to say, no this brand that we watch enrolling New Jersey. Those the brand that guys the everything took that show to Alaska it makes it feel like a promotion. Yeah. No, exactly. It's exactly it. And it was it was scary. But you know, I'm pretty open with things we had a seven thousand seat arena. I knew we weren't gonna fill it ticket sales were, and we we had thirteen hundred people there, so you know, for the highest tentative and Iran was like sixteen hundred. So that's the thing is there is at thirteen hundred people in Alaska when you compare costs and all these different things to New York. New Jersey is really equal to like about four thousand people if. Ran a show in in railway. It's crazy these different things different math. And and just figuring out all these different expenses. But it worked. There was a small profit wasn't much. But enough we're like, oh, we pulled this off. Everybody had a good time. We didn't lose our butts. We we made a little smidgen of money, and hey, let's do this again. And now we know what mistakes not because we made mistakes. So now, we know what to do. And what not to do when we go back there, which I think we'll go back there in December. Wow. That's soon. Yeah. So I can six months pretty much. That's amazing. We'll get back to it in a minute. But whether you wanna go to shows in New Jersey, New York, Alaska wherever you wanna go, there's always something happening. And it's always it's always something that you want to see it's a place where you want to be. But the problem is the getting tickets can be hell accomplished acted the industry hasn't changed in forever to bunch of big companies. They've been around nonstop. And they just don't care about making the experience easier for the. Customer. Well with more than fifty thousand five star reviews in the app store. Seatgeek is clearly a ticket company that puts the customer. I look they've been such a loyal sponsor of not Sam wrestling for so long. 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And I go, oh, it's even lower than I've thought and it always ends up. Fine. Get that's the people come to the door and people like I've never had a show where look at into the audience, and I'm like, oh, this is even every show. I've ever done has been like, oh, this think this is so much better than I thought. But did you have any moments of panic for this show when you're looking at the pre sale? Oh god. Yeah. Because I remember early on, you know, I'm I'm an optimist, but I'm a realist, and my my Booker KM is an over optimistic the point where he's like if we sell out this billing, the gate is like three hundred and thirteen thousand dollars. I'm like, yeah. I don't think they're going to get there by you know, let's let's hope and we set these goals because we've been promoting the show for about eight months. So we're like, okay. Maybe by January three months before the show, maybe will be like fifteen hundred tickets. And we were really at like four. So it's like an animal ahead of Mike. Do I pull the plug? Do. I move over for this. But then part of it if you have if you're running your own thing, and you said the exact same way is there's overly there's always going to be this, overly panic. And then when it happens, you're like, okay it worked out. So I just kind of have to trust in that. And it's like, but I also prepare myself. I always think what's the worst case scenario, and I go, okay that's going to happen. I'm gonna lose this amount of money. So I convinced myself that this is going to happen. And then when it slowly starts getting away from that, I go, okay. Thank god. It's kind of it's over preparation. We could have done away better job. I think we did a really good job and it worked out, but you know, if it would have been a loss, I still would have probably looked at as a success. But luckily, it was somewhat of a financial success. Right. And all you, really. I mean as long as you're not losing money. It's worth doing. I mean, the the idea that you guys are running Alaska has a value in and of itself. Now, I think I think the big. Thing is and I wanna prove myself. There's a lot of other companies out there side of debris that they they may not be doing so well and their budgets may be over inflated. And I think it's kind of alarming and also rewarding that to Gebran wrestlers from New Jersey put together this and put on a profitable show bringing up all their own local talent mixed with a hall of Famer miss with TV talent to Alaska and can turn profit. Why can't other companies do this? Yeah. Know what I mean? Like, so that's kind of there's so many companies out there that have this good exposure, they have a network or they have things behind them. And I guarantee they're looking at their budgets and show after show they're losing money. And it's it's something's wrong with that. So I think what I wanted to prove was that. If you have the right people in charge of things wrestling can be booming and big business. But most the time is not it's not happening. So part of that was I just wanted to prove that again, like, hey, we're doing this how come other places can't or or even on the independent level where? Where there's so many shows that you just hear about just cancel, you know, the running in their home area, and they're panicking on ticket sales, and they just canceled. Screw over all the guys. It's like shouldn't happen if we can do this. And I'll Lasca why can't you do this in your home area? Right. No. That makes total sense wove is what were the fans. Like, I mean was there. This thing is I would imagine that Alaska is one of the places that gets talked about where they're so little that comes through their that their stay they become the thirteen hundred that were there must have been like super passionate because how often is there a wrestling show in Alaska, they were they were starved for it. It was interesting too. Because you work a lot of places, and you see they are I don't want to say kind of like a southern crowd. But you could tell that most that whole crowd was there. He Mick Foley. Like, they'll his line was endless they own which by the way. If you're Mick Foley has to feel great because you know, I look he's a legend. But he's also out there. Right. He does a lot of signings. So I'm sure some. Are crazy successful. And he's probably had some that are not as successful. So to go to Alaska and get reminded like, oh, yeah. I'm the legend. I'm the hardcore legend, Mick Foley. Sure. Like, this is the impact that I'm still having on people has to be amazing. I love mic because he's one of those guys that I mean, you can put them he's in the top ten of anywhere really of all time, you know, in my opinion as far as what he's done for wrestling, and he's still accessible to take this risk with. And he wanted to be up there because he's never worked Alaska before. So this is on his bucket list. Just so cool that that he's still thinking on those terms. You know, what I mean people have reached out like I never worked last guy half do and I'm like, all right? Maybe next time. I'll get John. But sorry, the the crowd was so different in the fact that the, you know, I was listening from the first match on and you do an arm drag, and they were receptive to it. And I'm like, oh, I haven't I haven't experienced that in a while where you know, you're you're in front of these bloodthirsty crowds and these independent scenes, and you have to do, you know, I'm doing twisting tombstones reaction. Right. So they were so passionate. And so. Much fine. And that thirteen hundred people really did sound like it was Sal out. They were so loud. And you know, the last match which of lucky to headline Mon card put myself. It was me. And I'm Jay efforts is me vers MGM versus Genoa with Mick as a special enforcer. And you know, we were doing kind of ridiculous stuff. Which by the way is perfect for the killer character. Yeah. Because you take the two guys with the most indie buys an exact you got me kill it. Go out there. And we're doing, you know, we're doing two hours in staple. And this crowd was like, what are we seeing? We fought through that we fought through the crowd and toss it's like, no big deal. You do that a lotta shows just fight through the crowd. Once we cross the guardrails, you could just hear the panic and excitement of the crowd was like w doesn't do this like an old school like Japanese death match crowd. When like leather faced would come out into the audience, and they'd all run and scurry, and they were they were like bruiser Brody, man. Yeah. It was just wild. It was what the the shows like three hours. So I think it's on the longer side. And while we're doing promos at the end just kinda thank in the crowd. You've got the feeling that these people didn't wanna go home. They just wanted to like hang out and chill and thank you for being here. So I really think the neck. Time we go back. There is going to be I expect all those people plus one I hope, but it was it was it was definitely one of the most passionate crowds have worked in front of ever in my life by far and his company like a main that you just said you figure out early. Oh, we can just an arm drag gets a reaction we really don't have to go above and beyond. But the two clips I saw from your match. One of them was stapling an autograph. Mick Foley, eight by ten to MJ F. And the other was a tombstone off the top grope onto a door. That was not perched on the second rope to doors to doors on this door on the again, I'm losing my it's weird kind of like this random hardcore crazy wrestling these days. Even though my traditionalist with with all my wrestling stuff. But you know, we put a door on the bottom rope. And then another door on the second row. Whom stone through both of them. Remember looking at MC a couple times. And he's just when you see Mick Foley, look at you like, I think you've got a you're you're of crazy, man. Like two times. I looked at me. He was just like what are you guys doing to impress him? Yeah. You know what? I mean that was like when even said to us he goes, you know, I'll give you guys a lot of credit. He pulled us all side after he goes a lot of the guys in the situation would look at the crowd and go, you know, let's let's just get by right up everything which what you just said. And you guys went out there. And are you know, do wrestling very hard? But also throw it in the extra, you know. 'cause a lot of people think that's the stuff like the stables and the thumb tacks. But they're appropriate. If you put them in the right sort of story of the match mixed with hard hitting stuff, and and character stuff, and we got SoKo in. And we got all these things they go. What was the Sako reaction like pretty pretty loud? Definitely was. Yeah. It was. It was deafening. So it worked out we wanted to work are but off to prove. And I think I know the fans there were like what are we seeing? And I think that's what one the mauve or we haven't had a bad review on the show yet. So it's been it was it was definitely one of those like spiritual things that I'm so glad I did when did doors become the thing. Like, I noticed that that the tables, you know, in in in this is to me, I feel like the Indy wrestling that you were talking about that actually has backers and has people buying this not really independent. They use tables real Indy. Wrestling uses doors, that's true doors doors on the new tables, and when did that become in why? Because I think it's always should have been a thing. I don't know if in easy wer thought about doors because I remember I overheard Heyman. Seeing this at lake tables have always been expensive. Yes. Super expensive just to get those wooden cafeteria like tables that snap and break because it's not like, and I don't know of people. I think. The people who listen to this show are aware enough of what's going on. But anything growing up you go like, oh, you know, they probably have easy w is grounding up their own sawdust and making these fake tables. And you're like, no, they're going to Home Depot and buying a whole bunch of tables before show, and what change was Home Depot and Lowe's, they switch from those types of tables to the plastic folding table, so they're not exist. So you go online believe me at any promoter listening to this knows knows the strife of trying to find tables, and occasionally one will have an Amazon for like, sixty bucks. But most of the time like one hundred forty one hundred sixty bucks. How so I think the plastic tables, really? What else do we do and someone somewhere said, let's get a door indoors like fifty sixty bucks. Forty bucks about the size of a table. It actually makes better noise. It's a little bit. Sometimes it can be heavier or lighter. But you know, it's so funny because fans are still at we want Abel's, and it's like sorry. Here's your door. So hopefully, doors get I'm gonna try maybe I can get doors over in the DC more. I'm surprised that like Home Depot, especially in Indy towns where there's a lot of wrestling jersey, and New York and places like that. I'm surprised that they don't realize how much business there is table wooden tables double-sided ladders like all that stuff. You would think that they would stock it at least for the weekends. It's so funny. You know, the double sided ladder. I never I should learn that from Bruce see when we had them up here for Russell pro. He goes, hey, go to Home Depot, and you can customize a ladder to be, you know, double sided I went they'll do that. For me goes. Yeah. It's the same cost as long as they know that you're gonna get it. They'll make it for you, Mike. I did not know that. So I need to get those double-sided ladder because that's and that's the other thing. Like if you see a double sided ladder on an indie show. I know as a fan precedent. I go like, oh, this is legit. Because then again, I go back to my little kid thing. And I go like, I guess they have the wrestle pro ladder factory where they make their own ladders to because it doesn't look like the Lakers that I see. It so true little detail things to make you appreciate wrestling. Yeah. Absolutely. So so so the Alaska show was a was a big success then. Yeah, I think so, you know, I think it's a success for anyone that department the fans it seemed like morale like I follow a bunch of of you guys on Instagram and Twitter and everything and it just seemed like everybody involved with the show is just so excited about doing it. Yeah. And we're we're real brotherhood role friends in real life. So it's kind of just, you know, the where mix of up and comers and other guys may be kind of. I don't wanna see the twilight. But they're just like this is where I'm going to be wrestling. And that's it. And then a couple of guys that could be signed tomorrow's right mixed in with a lot of work. Some more guys do work MG f is signed to here followed by is signed here. So like, you know, and also a lot of, you know, it's funny. A lot of the the people that work for other TV companies. They have a better time with Russell pro than they do their own. Then I hate to say that. But that's the truth because we at least were you know, you're going to have a good time. If you work for Russell probes and you're never gonna. Situation where you're like, oh, I hate this. We're we're we're pretty easy going on the mission statement of the company. Right. That's why you started the company kind of that. It was not so miserable. When you went wrestling. Yeah. I mean, we'll have our issues with people that don't want to you know, maybe not wanna put people over with the regular stuff that wrestling. But for the most part, it's it's an easy going locker room, and they have grandma enough respect where I call the shots. And then people listen and it's worked out so far. So I'm open to bring I really want to run a show in every single state. That's the goal with that says going to say like to you. I guess that's the sort of macro level goal. But after Alaska happens, and it's a success. I guess apart from this idea. Like, okay, let's plan on going back in December. Do you immediately start thinking like, okay. Well, what's the next big thing that we're going to do I can't just sit here and be the guy who went to Alaska once I wanted to Hawaii. You know, you really do. And I'm hearing that there is an independent promotion out there, and they have to rings in Hawaiian hopefully is up if you go to the right island. Oh, yeah. But I hear there is an independent wrestling promotion out there. I think if we just go. Hey, look, what what it will look what I differ Alaska this year. Bring this roster here and pull it off. You know, if not I'll find maybe Montana or Wyoming, just something something weird and different where it goes. Like, oh, that's kind of cool. That's really all. It's about the stories. I'm having enough fun doing my thing is as a performer and other companies with my own. I kinda wanna do something different. So at random places, and how many of these how many independent promotions are going with the travelling circus business plan. I mean, I don't think any no they, you know, they find their venue. They put on there. Good most of about content and buzz in their own thing. And we've kind of done that kind of we're more of a live event thing it is to me a circus. So let's try to run, you know, North Dakota and Nebraska, just just so we can have it in conversation. You know, what I'm like that's kind of it's just having fun and being weird. And it's cool for. For the the guy the wrestlers on the show to be able to be like, no, I'm working North Dakota this weekend. You know, because they never like like you said they're going like, okay. I'm Russell pro guy in New Jersey, independent Raza pro performer and to be able to go like I can't this weekend. I'm working North Dakota is like it's so great. It is cool. It's it's amazing. We'll man and I've noticed too that. You're you're getting way back into wrestling. Yeah. Like, I saw the promos that you started putting out on Instagram and whatnot. That's why I referred us the as the buzz killers, or which I love because it kind of leans into this idea of like, look, you're being realistic. Like, there's all these guys out there with all this buzz. Whereas this guy going to end up where is this guy? Going to end up you focus, your attention on more the business end of this stuff. So you go. Okay. Well, if I want to be in that conversation, but I'm not one of those guys on that list. Why should I be the guy that wants to destroy the people that are on that list? Right. And to be honest. Okay. So I started doing this. I realized things are different this year. And I want to be something just lit up where I said I wanna do as many matches. I can because there was a time. When you told me you were like, I don't think I wanna do matches anymore pretty much, right? Wrestle for myself. What change so Lewis even a time? I think when you were like Amadou like a couple of matches for wrestle pro. But I don't even think I want to wrestle for wrestle. Crony more just want to be able to put these shows on. Yeah. I thought that the endgame changed where I saw myself, you know, just trying to launch wrestle pro and promote shows and work behind the scenes more. And then as I saw things expand this year with all eat wrestling with MLD blowing up ring of honor expanding all these different things happening, and w even expanding everything just went man like part, something there's a couple of weekends where I was at home. And I wasn't running a show, and I was just on the couch. And I went like the I can't do this anymore. I need to be out there. I need to be in the ring. And it the truth is, I've as persona is completely real, you know, because I've had you heard me talk about a lot of success with promoting and stuff like that it eats away at my soul. The fact that I didn't get to a certain levels of performer. I didn't get the recognition that. I I really rightfully believe at his Irv. And I see all these people. I love the fact that you know, my students are signing somewhere. But there is going to be a part of my soul the win. How come you're never there? What happens yet like what what is that? I would imagine that a lot of this is based on even the people who aren't necessarily your students like you talked about Joe genera, who we've had on this podcast like while he's not necessarily one of your students. You were running shows when he was just a young kid. And now you're watching people like him, whether they're your students are not progress and seeing like, oh, wait like for the people who stick with this and get good and find themselves and create personas like this is happening for them. It's happening for them. Like, I said the endgame change where I went. Wow. Like, there's a lot of stuff out there. So I had these ideas to put down like, maybe I could be this this. I there's a part I'm pretty optimistic, but there's part of me, that's very very bitter. And that's what's motivated me to to keep with wrestling so long and something lit up, and I said, I'm in the ring more than most people, I know the training school, and I've never been out of shape, and I've always kept up consistency. And I know so much and bothers me that there's you know, so much buzz out there. I never. Got it for myself. So let me be the buzz killer and go, you know, work different style and be a little more aggressive and hard core. And what I do, and, and what was different and mind blowing and so awesome. Is that an changed the game? They changed the game in terms of now what you do before WWE matters. Like, it's part of your story. So when you go there people are aware of what you've done, and because of that, I feel like whatever you do in the independent scene now matters. And what what what's crazy is that I truly believe that my story as being a long-term somewhat if you can say failed performer that did everything he was supposed to do it. There may be a couple of those out there. But I don't think to the of what I went through. And so I think by specially but but especially because you can still go. Yes. Like a lot of people with that story. Like, you could bring them in to tell that story, but they're done. Yeah. The reason that they're finally admitting their fail performers is because they're not they can't do it anymore. Yeah. And and I haven't saw by for a lot of those guys to because there's. So many guys that you know, that I know of that could have been, you know, main Doty roster people or big stars and something happened or they didn't get their break or whatever. And I feel like I'm almost representing them. Like, I'm the the echoes of these unheard people. That never got there there do and maybe they should have. So all this is very true. It's very motivating. It's the essence of my character. I want to go against these. Indie darlings, I want to you know. Okay. You're you you get all this internet buzz. I've been in the seventeen years on a pretty high level at see if you have what it takes to compete with me. So what's crazy is? I started reaching out a promotions before those videos dropped and I thought maybe people like, yeah. Okay. But a lot is promotions. Were like, whoa. You're wrestling again. Okay. Come on. And I worked for like, you know, fifteen of some of the best promotions in the country now in an end. There's so many things on the horizon that I'm going to be debut in for that. I I didn't think that the the rest of the scene would have the respect that. It's almost like it's it's actually paying off. I've in. Mm put in locker rooms I'm trying to get something going wrestling for the first time. There's never been something like a player coach, and I'm trying to create that pro wrestling where I can be this guy that goes to these places work with talent and contribute behind the scenes as well. So right. So when you book me for his show, I'll do the match whatever will do the thing promoted on on social media will I got the character by. But then also once I'm there, I'm going to get there early. And we're going to you know, and I'm going to be that guy that's kind of sharing wisdom with the locker room and training and doing everything and more. So and there's a lot of guys out there that try to help lock. But I really try to find what's best because I'm doing it. Now. Like, I found what's best for Russell pro. So I had this. You know, I'm not one of those cutthroat guys. I believe there could be success for everybody in wrestling in. There's a place for most places focus on I I like focusing on the undercard like focusing on the tag team division, just different things that I'm very adamant about producing and coaching. And that's kind of what I would. I think ally. Promotions are bringing me in for two. It's it's a mix of hey, go out there have killer match. But also, we need some people back here to to to to regulate you know, and and make this a better promotions. That's my job. Now. I mean, I think this happening all over the place we had Mark Henry here on the show like a few weeks ago. And he said, and I had never even heard of this position being thing that is one of his new roles in WWE is to come in for the paper views and just make sure the locker rooms where it should be. Wow. And just kind of be that that guy, I don't know of mentor, or motivator is whatever. But just kind of make sure that everybody's bathing themselves in such a way that the industry is in a place where where it's healthy for not only the people that are working in it now, but for the next several generations. Yeah, you gotta check the pulse of every locker you can have things that, you know, if you're not, you know, I know how to deal with a lot of conflict and wrestling because I've been through it as promoter as talent, whatever. So, you know, there could be issues it could be someone that doesn't want to I'm in locker room sometimes where they want wanna do. I don't see too much in the match, but they wanna squeeze in twenty five minutes worth of stuff into an eight minute thing. And that kills a show because I go over time. Then there's times where I meet guys don't wanna do anything in the ring. They don't even want to take a bump. And there there's just a way to kind of check the temperature of a locker room and make the cord different. You you don't want the first match you the same thing as a fourth match and figure out a way where you know, we can deliver the best product that we can. So having a position like that is just super important, man. Yeah. And you find too that maybe getting away from Russell pro and going into these other promotions in realizing that there's this big respect for you. It kind of lets, you know, like, oh, like what I've been doing is being noticed because kind of when you're when you're in your home base, and you don't necessarily you're not necessarily aware fully of the effect that it's having outside. Right. You stay in that wrestle Pro Bowl do and it's like, you're just working towards the next show working towards the neck show. And that mentality of the mentality. You had when you went through the first show and said. You know, people think I'm crazy for doing this kind of sticks with you until you get outside of it and go like, oh people really respect. What's happened here? They do. Well, the ones that pay attention to because there's a lot of locker rooms that go in and I can re- I see that the there's, you know, half the people are aware they'll talk to me about things there. I'm aware of most the talent. When when I when I get booked on a card, I know a lot of the guys in the locker room where their story where the come from where they're going, and I find that the people that I kind of know they're attentive, and they know about me, but there's also half locker room that that's their just their once a month. So I try to finally like minded people. And now that I'm out there. I'm actually trying to get there so much where magic going to bring in a lot more independent talents, wrestle pro. And then also I can compare I tell my locker room, I go pay. This is where we're better. And this is where we're worse. So I kind of go, hey, I saw this at you know, CW or limitless. I saw this at different places. And I think they do this lot better than us where we need to improve. Or it could be like, hey. You guys are doing a great job. Just so, you know, it's not the same out there. But don't stop doing that. We're used to prize, and I say CCW's because you brought it up but say a season w or any promotion like it that would you know? I mean, I remember, you know, when I was when when jersey all pro was around, or or even, you know, right after that that like there was real war between promoters and not like like the type of war that like we can't do storylines here. Because there is we are trying to sabotage these other shows behind the scenes, we're trying to do a lot like when you go out there. And like you're going to other people who primarily do shows in the New York, New jersey, Connecticut Philly area. Are you kinda surprised that they're not like, oh, no your arrival promoted? We're not gonna we're not gonna put you on a show that they're like, no come do a great match. I think in jersey New York, we've got so used to people just running so much. We don't have a lot of that. But let's just say Pennsylvania Philly area. There's some of that going on. On there's some of that going on in the mid west right now the Chicago area when people are telling their performers you can't wrestle here. I just read that. Yeah. There's things there's things like that happening in you know, there's some New England. I'm aware of where you know, if you work one place, you may not work for the other is unfortunate, you know. And but there's also it's not so black and white where it's like all we should be allowed to work everywhere. And it's also not black and white where you know, the promoter should have the ability to to tell you what they want to tell you. But there's a way we can all work it out. Yeah. Early and not just be. But unfortunately, a lot of places don't think the way that I do or you know, because because in a way when I first started I kind of thought that way with a lot of things not. So why get the the business end of it where you're like. Well, we're trying to get people even if it's not about, you know, being vindictive about another promotion there is that side where you're going what we're trying to get people to pay take. It's to see the people performing at these shows if you're performing it every other show in the area, you know, what good is it do if I put you on the poster if they just saw you a hundred percent in the same thing with storylines if you start someone on these. Really, you know, there's some great promotions out there. There's there's like a I w and Blackley pro and AWS there's all these a great place beyond all the stuff. They have a lot of great storylines. So if you can't commit to month after month because you're taking all these booking somewhere that does throw a wrench into their things. And a lot of times performer doesn't value that they don't put enough thought into Oman. I'm really affecting this promoters vision. So that becomes an issue. There also becomes an issue. I've ran into things before where you know, you run a show in the same night. And someone's like, hey, can I do both shows, and you gotta work your cart around where total on second match. They can go on innovation there. And I'm flexible with that. But I've noticed most places aren't as organized, and they may not be that becomes initially. And you take it out on the talent. And then more things happened. So, you know, independent wrestling is not perfect. It's still rough. It's still incredibly difficult to get out there. But you know, it it. It's just the way it is. It's it's unfortunate. Have you had any matches lately that you're like, oh man that was an incredible match. And then go I wish I'd die. Russell pro. There's been mad. So I'm learning. I'm just learning that every single independent. Wrestling promotion is different that every single crowd expects like there's some times where I went in. There's imaginative recently where I thought it was a good match told to hate saying tell a story when people say that. But like it just it why. Because I feel like it's so cliche. Tell stories. What does that mean? Right. You know, when people are like what we were trying to tell a story in the ring. What story was it? And then they can't tell you what the story was. Yeah. And work in someone's arm to me is that really a story you just right arm for a little bit. It was a story of a guy who's arm hurt. You're going. Okay. Just such a thing that people like rely on it drives me nuts. But I had a good match where you could follow a lot of things. But then looking back. There wasn't enough hates Amos wasn't enough moves in there. There wasn't enough in that promotion needed these moments because they rely heavily on internet clips and different things like that. So even if I'm having this story that you know, getting over. These characters it doesn't make for the most appealing internet clip, which is what they rely on. So I got to work certain aggressive almost throw psychology at the window and and do the hard hitting stuff here. And then other places are completely character based where they don't care about what you do in the you could hit, you know, all these different drivers and moon salts and strikes. But if you don't have a character, you're not gonna get over there. And if you're not going, if you're gonna do this style here, the promoters going to see that and probably not book you anymore. And if you do this style over there, I see so that's the issue. I'm I'm I'm learning. So I'm going places and went like, okay. That's how I work here. And now, I realize all right that didn't work. So well, so when I go back there, I'm not going to have to put on a different hat, and it's kind of a new learning experience for me because some all these indie places are so different. So you never know what to expect which is great to. It's also amazing to me that that the fan base is some of these independent promotions. Because there was a time where. It was like they didn't have an identity where it was just like this is just an I'm going to go to India show this weekend, and you go to whatever shows running around you. But the fact that you have such brand loyalty now, the crowds audiences have expectations for you that are different based on the shows that they're going to shows you kind of how loyal to and aware they are of the brand that they're watching and how good these promotions are getting at figuring out. Okay. Before we know, you know, who do we have booked who are we as a promotion. Okay. Now who are we going to put on the show a big indicator that was wrestlemania weekend? When you had so many shows up here, and you're all fighting for you, know, attendance and different things like that. And you can see the every hard every fan that listen to this every promoter every fan every wrestler has a certain taste for misselling. You know, not most of them are not, all encompassing. They like their particular s-. You know, there's a lot of wrestlers that frustrate me that become. You know, power players eventually, and they only really like or pre sheet the style that brought them to the dance. So when they see a different style be successful. They're not kind of warm to it again. That's that's that's whatever I wish we could see past that. But that's how that's almost the same thing. As fans where we're certain fans go, you know, I put on a comedy show wrestlemainia weekend called, you know, does funny qual money with all comedic acts and some fans are watching some fight TV. Like, I don't get this. Why can't we have a normal match? It's a comedy show right out. I mean, how can you not? And then other people will watch hard hitting all Japan wrestling, or or or very style and the other love that or they want somewhat more characters you can never satisfy everything. But it's cool that at least all these independent places. They're finding their identities are finding out. Okay. What's our crew guys who are the right guys to bring in and a lot of places are doing fairly, well, which is awesome to say. That's amazing. Well, I don't know if you can hear Lila upstairs, but that's the alarm. Pat, man, I'm so happy that you're that the success is just a a keeps happening, and you keep kind of finding it and taking risks, and it keeps paying off where can people find you? Find Russell pro. And what's the next thing that we want to inform the folks of get go, you know, on social media book never stops. I don't know what my future holds kinda cool that I'm kind of bouncing around and I have three matches this week. And then I go to a certain place, and I'm going to do something here. And I'm working for a lot of major companies. And when that stuff, I don't wanna be the personally. Hey, look at me. But it'll be it'll get out there eventually, so after, you know, seventeen years of ups and downs and stuff I'm hoping that it that it continues on an upward path, and I can kind of help out other talent and just keep growing and find some more success, but Russell pro online dot com and create a dot com going to start your careers, and I guess just all my social media stuff to see where I'm going to be rustling or producing or coaching or you know. You know? I just all things wrestling, man. That's awesome. Create create a pro wrestle pro at buck never stops. Thanks as always man's been great. Thanks him. Bridget here is Sam Roberts. Thanks to Pat. But that was a lot of fun. You know, we talked about social media and wrestle pro using social media. I think one of the best examples of social media that I saw I mean all week and in some time and something that's getting overlooked a little bit. I think is Alexander wolf so Alexander wolf goes on Twitter. And I guess this is a spoiler because I don't think it's aired yet. But it was all over the internet. So. I guess, you know, if I tell you what it's a spoiler for the spoiler will have happened. So spoiler is on the way Alexander wolf goes on Twitter last week and is saying goodbye to sanity and he's doing that. Because Eric Young's been drafted to raw. And he makes it seem like he's leaving. You know, it doesn't really speak for what Killian Dane is doing doesn't really speak for NICKY cross at all. He just makes it apparent that. He's leaving. And you're almost going like, oh my gosh. Is this him asking for his release the same time that Luke Harper was asking for his release. You know, all this stuff is going on. And so you're going abo- in the world is talking about Alexander wolf, and how much they don't want him to leave and all this stuff. Well, come to find out at the annex t u k TV tapings Alexander wolf shows up, and he goes on Twitter to announce he never said where he was going. He's not leaving WWE, but he's certainly leaving smackdown for greener pastures of annex t u k and. I just thought that that was such a great swerve and such a great use of social media. I don't know if somebody put him up to it. I don't know if he thought of it himself. But I just thought it was so well done so kudos to Alexander wolf. I thought it was so cool. Speaking of social media, leave it to your boy the last professional broadcasters Sam Roberts to cause a stir. You know, I I was in Montreal last week superstar shakeup night. That's where we taped main of that. And I did commentary WWE commentary for the very first time in my life. You know, I had a couple of matches to shine. And I tried my best. It was Dana Brooke versus to Meena, and it was heavy machinery versus the B team. The episode is available on Hulu. I didn't. I had no idea how much controversy that. I would cause. Look, I've said this before about all the kickoff shows that I've done and the feedback that people have had on those. And when I say feedback. I mean, the negative feedback WWE asks me to go in they said, look would you like to come do commentary for main event, I said, I would love to do commentary. Of course, I'll do that anytime you want. And so I go in and they say, you know, don't worry. We don't want you to be a WWE commentator. We don't want you to be that. You know, we want you to go on be Sam Roberts and simply give your opinion. That's all just give your opinion. Don't worry about trying to sound like anything, you're not, you know, you're a guest here. You've never been in the Rangers go on. And let us know what you think of the people that are in the ring and what they're doing. So I went in there. And I said not the most nice things flattering things in the world about Dana, Brooke and her wrestling abilities. Look, I didn't realize it was. Grime for Dana brook to not be your favorite WWE superstar in the world. If you're not rooting for Dana brook, then all of a sudden this is, you know, this is catastrophic. I had no idea the delicate nature. I know I DEA the. That the the people watching would be so sensitive, so so delicate. That so fragile frail that this would be an issue. You know, I was accused of everything in the book that I was disrespectful to Dana. Brooke I was accused of being a misogynist. The apparently, I only run my mouth on the women of the WWE. They brought up Bianca Bel Air. Again. Look a couple of things number one. I'm not apologizing to Dana broke the same way. Didn't apologize to Bianca BelAir? Okay. The day that a person cannot go behind a microphone in the WWE and speak their mind about what they're seeing is the day that maybe I'm not the guy that should be behind a microphone the only reason to put a microphone in front of my face is because you want to hear what my opinion is. So that's what you're gonna get every time. There's a microphone in front of my face as far as the accusations of misogyny. That's just absurd absurd. I mean, anybody that thinks I haven't gone after people the Bianca Bel Air. Dana, brooke. Yes, I've also gone after Finn Ballard I've gone after Johnny Gargano I've gone after Matt riddle. I said Seth Rollins at zero chance of win. I said all kinds of stuff. I just give my opinions when they're asked for. I mean, if you keep watching that episode of main event to the second match, I wasn't seeing exactly glowing things about the B team right now either. As a matter of fact, I believe my quote was that they should call the B team the c team because all they do with any consistency is capitulate. Now, I'm sitting here and pointing out the consistent nature with which the beat team capitulates. I would say that that is just as bad as anything that. I've said about anybody. And it's I mean, it's it's my opinion. These people go out there, and they performed publicly in the ring. So what am I gonna do? They put themselves in positions to be judged. That's what you do when you become a public figure the same thing reason that I would say if any of them said, well, here's what I think of you as a commentator fine. I don't care. I put a I talked into a microphone for television. Everybody's allowed to have whatever opinion about me they want, but this idea that I should not be going out and giving my opinion is ridiculous. It makes it makes no sense. You don't think? If it had been no way Jose in a match instead of Dana, Brooke that I wouldn't have said the exact same thing or spoken along the exact same lines about no way. Jose. I mean, come on. What are you looking for? You should have seen my Twitter mentions this week. They were a ridiculous ridiculous. But no, this is what happens WWE says. Hey, come just give your opinion say what? However, you feel. Okay. I'm gonna tell you exactly how I feel about this. Because when you say just tell me how you feel I'm gonna tell you exactly how I feel then. That's it. No, more whatever you put in front of me. I'm gonna tell you how I feel about it. I'm not going to think about gender. I'm not going to think about it. And this is the I'm not going to think about rates anything about any of it. I'm going to think about the fact that I'm watching to superstars compete, and I'm going to tell you what I think about those superstars as superstars. And that's what I did. And that's why I can't imagine you would ever hear an apology from me. But I appreciate everybody that took the time to watch it whether you like it or not, and hopefully I will get the opportunity to be guest of the WWE again in the future at some point. Because I just love it. All right. All right. Let's move on to this week's state of wrestling. It's now time for this week's state of wrestling here. We are. Welcome. Welcome. Welcome. Welcome to this week's state of wrestling state of wrestling two hundred and thirty five let's get right to it. Of course. It's the top five stories of the week broken down. According to yours, truly the last professional broadcaster. Sam Roberts, by the way. I was. Talking about it. I think that this week Charlotte and Bailey may have had the best match of the week. I think after all the wrestling that I saw this week. Anyway, all arresting that was on television. I think Charlotte and Bailey might have had the best match of the entire week. All right. Let's get into our top five stories speak. And this is one of the things all actually everything here happened this week. Obviously, that's why we're talking about it now in the state of wrestling, it's a topical segment. Bray? Wyatt is story number five. So the answer of what was with the vulture puppet in the box. Who was that talking witch doll thing that we get seeing pop up in vignettes. It was all answered it was Bray Wyatt in the firefly funhouse. I believe is what it's being referred to Bray Wyatt debuted in a vignette as a new character. And I think you know, it was interesting. I was looking at the feedback on what this was and it felt like when it originally happened when it aired live on raw on Monday. It felt to me like there were a lot of people going like what is this this? Are you kidding me? What is he doing? What are we trying to pull off here? And then as time went on and within I would not even say twenty four hours. I'd say within twelve to eighteen hours just about everybody had turned around, you know. No, I didn't post anything about it until the day after and I was actually surprised that there were a few responses to my tweet about how this was the brave Wyatt that I didn't even know I had been craving. There were few negative responses to that which prize me, you know, I think that this is exactly what we should want out of Bray, y you know, I think Bray Wyatt doing a run in or Bray. Wyatt trying to recapture any of the magic that the Wyatt family wants had would be. For four not it would it would be a fool's errand for Bray Wyatt to do something like that. Because I think that the. The white family has moved on. And quite frankly, the damage has been done to the white family. I don't I think that if we saw him come back, and it weren't all felt like it was going to be the same as it was when he left we would sit there and go no it isn't going to work. It didn't work the last time. I think that clearly there is some kind of a plan here, which isn't always the case with stuff. But clearly, I think as you watch you go. Okay. Well, they ran vignettes for about three weeks leading up to this. And then hit right into the Bray. Wyatt kids TV show host with a chainsaw thing. Clearly, a story is being told here, you know, as I watched this. I say, okay, sometimes we when we watch WWE, we worry that maybe the people telling these stories, the people writing these stories, I should say not the people telling these stories, but the people writing these stories may not know exactly what they're telling or maybe ready to change at a moment's notice. I think it seems to me that there is a clear plan for Bray Wyatt here. I think it's clear to the people that wrote it, I don't think it's clear to any of us. Just yet. But I think it's cool. You know, I mean it brought me back to the days of like the rumors that mister Rogers. I mean, it turns out the rumors weren't true. But you all heard it as a kid that mister Rogers had like Vietnam tattoos on all under his sleeves. And that's why he's always wearing the card again, and all kinds of crazy stuff. What if there was a dark in demonic side to this children's television host that you're watching? You know, I think that there's there's tons of potential in that he's building a world around this new persona that. Plays into the world that he had built before he left. So I don't. I don't know what it could work out terribly. Of course, you know, we don't know we don't know the answers sway. We don't know how it's gonna work out. But I don't think there's any reason to not be optimistic or not say, it's cool. What's going on with Bray wide or not say, it's different? I feel like a lot of times. When you can't immediately tell where something's going or you don't immediately go. Oh, this is cool. He's my new favorite guy that people get turned off by that. There are some people to get turned off by that. But to those people I would say patience is a virtue. You have to be patient, and wait and see what's going to happen here. Because there is no reason in my mind for us to feel any way, except this could be really good. And this is what this is. This is an opportunity for bright something that we've been waiting for Bray Wyatt to get for quite some time. You know, I thought that it was delivered. Well, and I'm interested to see where it's going next. And that's the whole point. Right. I wanted to into raw next week and find out what's going to happen. I mean, excuse me. I must be allergic to the truth. It might have been the best thing on raw this week. My I think it was the most compelling. It's the thing that I'm interested in seeing what happens next, and I think that's very very crucial in this world of professional wrestling. Speaking of what happens next, we go to story number four story. Number four is what's happening next with Dustin Rhodes it was announced. This is another eighty dub signing it was announced. The Dustin Rhodes is saying goodbye to the gold dust character forever. He posted a video on Twitter in which he put a severed gold dust head, which I didn't know existed. If I had I would have had one I have a gold dust ring worn bodysuit on a mannequin in my studio, and it just got a regular mannequin head. If I knew there were severed gold heads lying around. I would have slapped one of those puppies on top of this thing. It would've looked amazing. Hopefully, I can still get my hands on it. Maybe not the one he had in the video because the one he had in the video has been locked away inside the chess. Most of the forgotten for life for a lifetime along with that t shirt, but. Dustin Rhodes destined roads remain. So gold dust is no longer with the WWE. I guess the contract is over and it was announced this week that not only will Dustin Rhodes or Justin Runnells, or however he's going to be known not only will he be it's dark cast. But at the W inaugural paper, you some people think that all in is the inaugural. I don't I mean, it wasn't a e w was all in was a specialty all in was the predecessor to the inaugural Awa pay per view, this excess of all in led to the creation of eight e w AWS inaugural show is double or nothing and one of the big matches at double or nothing. It was officially announced will be gold dust or I'm sorry, Dustin Rhodes or destined Reynolds versus Cody it's going down. And you know, I think that that's amazing. You know, I think that. Awa this moment has the ability to do almost anything and for people to respond with. That's cool. Could because they haven't screwed anything up yet. You know, everything that they've done has not been screwed up. Once they start screwing up is when people are going to start looking at them with a speculative. I, however as long as everything they're doing is succeeding and everything they're doing works and feels reasonable and feels organic. I think people are going to continue to be excited about the potential eighty w is generally looked at with a lot more optimism than WWE is because WWE has several decades of succeeding and several decades of screwing up as well. Eighty w has had the people associated with a w have had a couple of successes and zero failures. So when you're when that's your batting average people are going to assume that there's going to be home runs. You know, we've seen gold dust versus stardust before. And that wasn't. I don't think what it could have been. However, that's not Cody versus Dustin. That's not at double or nothing. That's not under eighty w. You know, I think that if there's anything we've seen with gold dust in the WWE it's that when he got clean, and when he kind of cleaned up his life. He seemed like he got a new motivation for. Wrestling for being in shape. And you know, it was every time he would have a match somebody on commentary would talk about the Benjamin button rule applying to gold in the sense that he just somehow as he gets older only gets younger, and I think that that dust in Ronald's has everything to prove come all or nothing. I think the Dustin Ronald's needs to go out there and prove that not only can he still go, but that he can go without the gold character. You know? And I think that he's wrestling a new Cody this is not the same Cody that played stardust us. This is a new main event caliber, Cody. And so I think that there's a whole new backdrop behind this match. There's a whole new layout. There's all a new sense of realism to it. I hope that they go further. I hope that they started talking about how dusty was there for Cody but not so much there for Dustin. I hope that they go into Cody being jealous of Dustin because dusty would wherever blah, let's get real. You know, let's get into the reasons why brothers fight with each other. And why resentments build and maintain throughout adulthood? Why have a brother versus brother match if not to do that? I'm interested to see how it goes. I'm interested to see if gold is gonna paint half his face red. Like he does in the video. But I also think that until eighty w screws up. Fans will remain optimistic as they should for what's going to happen. Speaking of what's going to happen again? Or what did happen? We spend another story outside of WWE this week and a certain return. So it was in mealy walk. Hey, milwaukee. Wisconsin an independent wrestling show by promotion known as M K E. Yes. Yeah. M K E. I don't know what I'm K E stands for to tell you the truth M, K E, wrestling, Milwaukee, something or other. Let me click and see if I can give you the answer. No. I don't know. What MK maybe it, just Milwaukee? Maybe M K E short for Milwaukee, just Milwaukee professional wrestling. I don't know it doesn't matter. The point is that this is. What's his name, a silence Young's promotion there in Milwaukee? And a masked man came in. I believe on Monday and interrupted one of the matches hoisted one of the stars up on his shoulders and dropped him head into knee for a go to sleep. Now. There have been stills taking of this image and the face behind that mask. The is look very familiar. I was just on the squared circle. Read it sub forum, and I saw a photo that somebody took in the eyes looked very familiar. Silence. Young tweeted out here is some punk. Running in a match last night m gay wrestling. You never know who's gonna show up at our shows former world champions have been stopping in at the last couple of shows dome. His may seventeenth Bubba. The heavy rumor, and at this point, I believe it to be true based on everything that I've seen nobody. I haven't spoken to anybody about it. That would have any point of reference, but everything that I've seen I would believe this to be true. Did the man behind that mask with punk now in two thousand fifteen when punk was training for 'em. A he was asked whether he would contemplate returning to the world of professional wrestling. And he wrote you never know I could pop up here and there let me explain that. Even better it's not going to even be televised. I'm going to be in a ninja effing outfit. Wrestling, one of my buddies and nobody's ever going to know it's going to be very Monty python. So to speak. So he's had this fantasy in his head for a while of showing up and wrestling under a mask now, I'm gonna tell you Robbie from barstool sports Robbie barstool. He tweeted out that Sam punk is done this before that he's done run ins at independent wrestling shows and just never fessed up to it. And he's done under a mask. Now. I went to San Diego comic con. Several years ago. I don't remember the exact year. But see 'em punk was there with the WWE. I want to say it was CNN punk shameless. And maybe one other person I went there with Jim Norton, and we were doing interviews. And we went into this. You know, a right above the Mattel booth. They had built this private box where you could go inside. And there's actually room to hang out it, I got a green room that they basically built and we interviewed the superstars and everything and talk to see pong and hung out for a little while. And then see 'em punk put on a green cloak and an alien mask that covered his entire head. And he spent the rest of the afternoon walking around comic con completely dressed as a green alien, and nobody ever knew that it was him. There was no photos. I took a photo with CNN punk in the alien outfit. Maybe I should tweet that out today for throwback Thursday or something like that just to share it with you guys at not Sam or maybe at not Sam wrestling on Instagram, but he wore the alien outfit and he walked around the floor of San Diego comic cons of giant convention floor. Full of people nobody ever knew it was him. No photos ever surfaced of him wearing that outfit. Nothing. Nobody ever knew. And if I'm not mistaken, I believe at the time he might have been with leader. And I think that leader was also wearing one of those alien outfits if my memory serves correctly, so the idea that CNN punk would Don a disguise in order to just go and do the things that he loves is not foreign to Mr. Phil Brooks. I do not think however that this means that he's poised for a return. I do not think that this is necessarily good news for e w now can I sit there and tell you that punk is not going to Russell for AWS. Absolutely. Not it would not to tell you the truth shocked me if he did because I think that AWS set something up for him where first of all he would be the biggest star for sure in that organization right now. I would argue that Chris Jericho is the biggest star in that organization. Follow. Followed by Kenny omega. And then probably Cody and the young monks. That would probably be the order that. I would put them in yet. Did it would go Chris Jericho for me? I believe it's Chris Jericho then Kenny omega then Cody than the young bucks. That's the order of the biggest stars. I think in that company right now if they were to get 'em punk. He was skyrocket to the very tippety top of that list. And a lot of that has to do with the fact that he doesn't do anything a lot of that would have to do with the fact that we haven't been able to see him, and it's actually increased his star power. However, I still think that that's unlikely if I had to bet will it happen within the next year or two or not I would probably bet not if I had to bet one or the other I wouldn't be altogether shocked if I lost money on it. But I would probably bet not that it would not happen. And I don't think what I don't think is that punk potentially. Putting on a ninja mask and running into. India show in Milwaukee has anything to do with its future plans in a w I don't think that this is a hint. I don't think this is anything. I think that this is something that punk thought would be a fun thing to do the punk thought would be funny. He's probably talking to silence. Young saying imagine if I just jumped out and wore a mask could I do that? Yeah. Of course, you can do that. And boom nary went and it got silence. Young the press that he wanted a lot of mystery around. What was it could it have been? And that's it see punk probably never talk about it. And he'll show up at some other indie random indie show at some point later on. And maybe do it again if he wants to get that out. But you know, he's now he's training in Brazilian jujitsu. Always talks about wanting another MMA fight. Like, I just don't I don't see it happening because I feel like he knows that if he were to he can't get back into wrestling for a night if see and punk were to get back into wrestling you'd have to get back into wrestling. And I don't know that he wants to if he did it would probably be. For a w because in Awa leg, I said he'd be far and away the biggest star he could call his own shots. He could do whatever he wanted. Right. He wouldn't have to deal with anyone or anything. So that's where I think he would go. But I don't think he's going. I don't think so. We'll go to story number two. And you know, I was contemplating with putting this on the list or not putting this on the list. But I want to combine it with everything that's happening at money in the Bank. So the money in the Bank card really started to fill out which was pretty quick this week. And I liked that there would they did this because I think the raw and smackdown did a lot of good work this week starting to build stories. What had happened was what happened was we had wrestlemainia be the culmination of everything the raw after wrestlemainia was kind of just the hangover of that show, the raw after the raw after wrestlemainia was really superstar shakeup territory, and we were just kind of figuring out what these rosters were going to look like at all it's crucial that we're now three weeks three rods. This is the third raw since wrestlemainia. And I think it's crucial that storyline. Start to be built now. Now, we've got some semblance of permanence to. The rosters of Royan smackdown. So now, let's figure out why we're tuning in. What rivalries are we here to see? So I was happy that the WWE decided to move in that direction and go forward with that, you know, and really my story number two was Kevin Owens. And I actually think that this Kevin owns thing was done. Great as I was sitting there watching. I was going. You know, I I said it's weird because I figured Kevin Owens might just be a one week deal. And that maybe this week they'd pick somebody else or this week. They just do your and Kofi for a while. But when I saw him again with the new day, I said, I wonder if they're doing this full time because you know, I said on one of the kickoff shows, I think when I was talking to a j styles. What is the deal with Kevin Owens is he a liar or is he a hypocrite because he is not explained why he came back from his injury with this new attitude now we've found. Out. He is a liar. The true nature of Kevin Owens was put on display on smackdown. When he turned on Kofi Kingston. I don't think he did it too soon. I don't think he did too quickly. Look, I mean, we all romanticize the idea of having five month long storylines told out over time. However. The last I it it's difficult to place the timing of that the last time that happened was the festival of friendship and the culmination of the festival of friendship was the segment the festival of friendships segment when Kevin Owens turned on Chris Jericho, and it never got better than that to me. I don't think the Chris Jericho Kevin owns story ever got better than Kevin owns turning on Chris Jericho, which includes the blow off in the payoff to that whole story. I think if you extend the Kofi Kingston thing any longer you run the risk of falling into a position like that. Where you had the best of intentions, but you know, all of a sudden momentum starts to get lost. And there's nothing you can do about it. You know, and that has nothing to do with Kevin owns or Kofi Kingston that has to do with the intent with the attention spans of the WWE universe in two thousand nineteen attention spans changed the way we watch entertainment has changed the way we get locked into stuff is changed. I think that Kofi. Needs an opponent. I think to put Kofi in a rivalry with somebody else with Kevin by his side only for Kevin to turn on Kofi. After that rivalry it makes everything to drawn out in convoluted. I liked the idea of Kevin turning on Kofi and executor, you know, giving exhibit that power bomb, and who knows the way Xavier was selling that power bomb on the apron, maybe this'll be the end of exotic woods for a little while, you know, maybe I wouldn't I wouldn't be against that. If exotic woods just steps out, maybe even for just a few weeks, maybe just leading up to money in the Bank. There's no fear woods. So really the spotlight is fully on Kofi Kingston, really that the story the spotlight that is being shined is on the WWE champion and Kofi Kingston gets put in a position where he's gotta sink or swim. He's got a hang on to that spotlight without any of the stuff going on behind him. I think that could be good for Kofi. And it could remind fans if it works that he's the champion. And what a what a big deal. He really is. You know, I think that it. We'll obviously see Kevin owns versus Kofi Kingston at money in the Bank, which I think is phenomenal. The money in the Bank card is quickly starting to flesh out as I said at the beginning of this topic. You know, you've got Seth Rollins versus AJ styles, which I think is awesome. I here's why I think it's great. I think on smackdown for the last couple of months AJ styles has been in a holding pattern. I think AJ styles has not been doing anything of note. He's going he was going out there. And he was just playing the hits as I've said before, you know, he wasn't anywhere near that conversation of WWE championship, and he was going out there, and he was counting on his reliable. Moves. And he was doing the same thing that he's been doing for a long time. Now going over to raw I think is a huge refresher that he needs. And I think it's going to remind everybody how good he can be. And for him to step in there with Seth Rollins. I think that it's a it's a good chance for Seth Rollins to have a real credible opponent for that universal championship. And if I were him, I'd wait probably until money in the Bank. But you know, I'd extend this story by having AJ styles. Turn heel once again, you know, maybe I guess finbar's on smackdown now, and I think the good brothers are on smackdown too. But you know, I don't know because the thing about having a good guy universal champion and Seth Rollins is it kind of makes it so that how is AJ style is going to be that good guy. We'll maybe he's not so. Maybe that means we make him the best bad guy. I don't know. But I like the idea that that matches happening. I think it's going to be a brilliant match. Who else? Do you have? Of course, you've got a Roman reigns. Versus elias. I think perfect spot for both of those guys right now. Then you've got Becky to bells defending both belts. You've got Becky versus Charlotte and Becky versus Lacey. Now, this is almost what I said. I wanted to happen when I saw that smackdown was building a separate rivalry with Becky and somebody else whether it be Charlotte or Bailey or ember or whoever it was going to be I got very very excited. I don't think that she can defend both titles on every pay per view. I just don't think it's realistic. And I think that there may be some fatigue setting in for Becky Lynch. You know, I think that people would rather see one great Becky Lynch match than to Becky Lynch matches. That are you know, maybe they're great. Maybe they're not. But I'm willing to see how it feels for this. I pay per view. I just would have preferred that we do money in the Bank Becky versus lacy. And then whatever the next pay per view is in June, Charlotte versus Becky for the smackdown title and only one of the two titles is defended each pay per view. But. You know, still paints Becky is the underdog still works for me. Not something that I'm mad at now we've found out that next week. We're gonna find out who's in the women's money in the Bank ladder match. So I think that the women's money in the Bank ladder match is the match that Sasha banks should return for I think they should not announce it, you know, and I think banks should turn he'll, you know, in play into this person who just disagreeable you don't play into this person that Corey graves describes on commentary. I think that you do you announce your eight people maybe over on raw, and this is literally authentic my head. Maybe I should look at the roster lineup really quick. For raw. I think obviously you do Naomi. Let me see who's on which roster now that the split has happened. But I think no doubt you do Naomi. I think that Naomi should be in it, obviously Becky and Charlotte and lacy have all found themselves out of this match. Because you know, it's it's they're in championship matches already. If Alexa bliss healthy, I think it would be cool for Alexa, bliss to announce herself in the match. I think you put. Yeah. Here's what I would do. I've put Dana brook in the match believe it or not I know based on what I say before and probably either an Italian or ruby riot, probably ruby riot. So from raw I would have. You know, what I'm gonna say, Alexa, bliss is not in it just for argument's sake. And I'm going to have Naomi Dana, Brooke. Yeah. Naomi Dana, Brooke Natalia and ruby riot. But what I'm going to have is Sasha banks jumped Dana, Brooke before the match at the pay per view and enter herself in the match and actually win the whole thing. Probably. That's that's what I would have do. But I yeah, I would announce Dana Brooklyn. I would I would tell the story that they've been telling with Dana Brooke about how you know. She's underestimated, and she's really trying our, and blah, blah, blah. And then have you know, Sasha banks come out and spoil the whole thing. And then from smackdown. I think Bailey's gotta be in it based on what we saw from her this week. I kind of think that Charlotte should be. I mean, not Charlotte Carmella should be in it based on the fact that she's one before and she won that battle, Royal. I think you put live Morgan in it because you could end up with some interesting interaction between live Morgan and ruby riot, you know, to former teammates, and then you kind of have to put Mandy rose in don't you? Right. I almost want to take out Carmel and put in somebody else. But I'll probably stick with that. As far as the men's money in the Bank ladder match. I'm probably putting in Alastair black. I'm probably putting in and dry day. Allies already has imagined the pay per view, Kevin Owens. I think we'll get the title match at the show Roman reigns. Already has a match. I'm looking only at the smackdown side at the moment. Probably not executive your woods. Although. Now 'cause I'm gonna I'm gonna leave him injured. So I got Alastair black and dry day. Yeah. Allies is already spoken for. Ali, of course. Looking at the top of the page Alastair black and dry day. Ali. And I'm going around it out. You know, what I'm gonna rounded out with buddy Murphy and dry Alastair? Black Ali, buddy Murphy. And then over on the raw side, I'm gonna put in. Let's see for the raw for the raw side you pick four for the money in the Bank ladder match. So did join and dry day. Alister Ali embody Murphy. I'm going to try to do something alphabetically isn't quite so on the nose. But we'll see. AJ sales already. I'm putting in Barron Corbin. I'm putting in. I don't I'm not gonna put him brunch. Stroman to tell you the truth. I'm putting him baron. Corbin says Cicero. Drew mcintyre. And then I'll probably round that out with. You know, normally I would say. Ricochet rigi has got to be in the match. I mean, how does ricochet not being that ladder match? So maybe instead of. Maybe instead of drew McIntyre. I put in Robert rude. Maybe I do Barron. Corbin ricochet, Robert rude. And baron Corbin ricochet, Robert rude and says RO probably who I'd put it on the raw side just to keep things. Interesting. Let's move onto story number one. And that is the shoe. It was cool to have some non pay per view Sunday night wrestling over the weekend. I tuned in for the hour and a half special. They basically played the tail end of alive of there was dean Ambrose last show in WWE. It was the shields last ride together. Michael cole? Did it pretty tremendous interview with the shield before the show that was up on WWE's YouTube channel in which dean Ambrose just cut off Flamer of a promo on Michael Cole at the end of it. And then walked out. Which was awesome. And then and then we saw the special. It was started with Finn ballot versus Elias. And then there was a women's tag match. And then there was the shield six man tag. And that was that I loved the old school feel of it. I loved it. It felt like a house show the commentary table, which they were making reference to was pushed up on the apron. I love that. Michael Cole was asking Renee young kind of personal questions about dean Ambrose and acknowledging that they were married. I just thought it was great. And I thought about why the shield is such a great faction because you could argue, you know, they make this case that the shield is one of the greatest factions in the history of wrestling. But why you know, I mean, realistically they were only around for a few years. Some of these other factions have been around for decades. Right. But when you look at the shield there are so few factions Levy, original four horsemen, the reason the original four horsemen were so special is because aren't only Anderson Tully Blanchard. Rick flair all stars in their own right? All could hold titles on their own, right? If you split up the four horsemen, you would have no weak links all would be able to survive all would be able to prosper all would be at the top of their game. But there aren't that many other factions that you could say that about all the members of and the shield is one of them the shield like the horsemen acted as a unit, and when they were split up all of them went onto win WWE championships. All of them went on to be the top of their rosters. You know? There's. No Roman reigns. The company guy Seth Rollins got Brock listeners victory. I mean, he was also one of the top bad guys for a long time. And really I mean, I thought Seth Rollins was one of the best bag is in a long time. And then dean Ambrose was just the king of smackdown for that period of time. So I think that the fact that you can separate them, and there's such an amazing trio individually, and then you bring them together in their only stronger, and as they grow in their careers as they mature as performers the group also matures, they don't they're not outgrown each other. They're all growing at the same pace individually, and it makes it so that they're amazing together. They separate their amazing separately they come back together. They're amazing even more so than they separate again, they grow even more than they come back together, the best they've ever been it just keeps going and going and going, and I personally hope that this is not the last of the shield that we've seen I would recommend checking out. The shields last Ryder, whatever it's called on the WWE network just because it's so great when they put these specials on, but that's what makes the shield so spectacular to me is that they work completely as a unit. It's not defined who their leader is when they're together when they're separated all three individual every member of that group is a main event level star in that. That is the rare thing my friend that is the rare thing listen, I appreciate all you guys being here real quick before we go don't forget. There's good news. The number of collisions involving a train at a railway crossing his down eighty three percent from its peak in the nineteen seventies. Here's the bad news. There are still more than two thousand incidents a year lesson. Stop because trains can't appreciate you guys being here. We will see you next week for more not Sam wrestling. Let's hit the music. Thanks for listening. Follow at not say, I'm on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, and you too. 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Black Wednesday - WWE's Talent Releases - Notsam Wrestling

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Black Wednesday - WWE's Talent Releases - Notsam Wrestling

"Introducing your host from New York here is Sam Rovers. Hey Guy Special bonus. Thursday show Thursday night Sam. Thursday live for everybody this week because we need it. We need to talk about some stuff. Usually this show exclusively patriotic. But I don't know I didn't WANNA hide this one behind a paywall. I'm sure they'll be some patriotic exclusive stuff going up this weekend but I thought a bonus show is required. Look of course the reason that we watch wrestling at least if you listen to this show and the reason that I'm assuming you've listened to this show is because we love wrestling because it's an escape because we like to celebrate the good things but some days are just bad man. Some days are just bad. Some news is just bad and it just seems like while. We're all stuck in this mess. This quarantined mess. Bad News keeps hitting us. This is not a good week to be a wrestling fan. Not a good week at all a lot of people that you know you ended up tearing about as cheesy as it sounds you. You spent years hours and hours and days and months and years watching all of these people getting invested in all these characters and finding yourself interested in their lives and listen to them you know cut interviews on on podcasts and Youtube and it and it becomes about so much more than just what's going on in the wrestling ring. What happens you know on the regular wrestling? Tv show that it becomes a part of your life and you watch it so much and think about it so much and are so invested in it that it just becomes a part of you. I think for all of us wrestling becomes a part of us. And you know when there's bad news. It hits all of us hard before we get into everything that went down yesterday. We should spend some time talking about Howard Finkel. I mean this one hit really hard this morning. I did PAT McAfee's radio show and just as I was getting off I saw the tweets come rolling in Of this recording just about an hour ago it was announced on twitter that Howard Finkel had passed away now in my opinion Howard Finkel is the best wrestling ring announcer of all time and there will never be competition to me. Anybody that grew up with. Wwe WWF that voice is as defining as any sound impossibly. Be for your childhood. I mean I feel like it makes me wanNA spend the weekend just watching royal rumbles. That he was the ring announcer for as he would As both feet go over the top rope and onto the floor like it's just ingrained in your mind right now let us all find out who drew number one. I mean it was as you think about your childhood and the characters that you grew up with and the moments that you grow grew up with but right there with them is Howard. Finkel is the sound that he brought and the visual. I mean we all know exactly who he is as soon as you see him. You're against the think. The thinks hear his voice them brought that Gravitas. Knowing that you were watching something that was important. He was the sound of wrestling for me. Anyway you know as a WWe kid growing up he was the sound of sports entertainment. This what sports entertainment sounded like. This is what ring announcers were supposed to sound like an every ring announcer sense Howard. Finkel that to me is the comparison. That's the standard bearer. I mean you don't really you know you see like Certain names being imitative other ring. Announcers you know they would have certain you know whether it's Tony Kimmel going. The rated R superstar. Or you know g an seen on on on Roberts there but Justin Roberts but nobody nobody has ever come close to having a voice as iconic to this sport as Howard Finkel so obviously I grew up such a fan obviously I grew up considering him an icon The first time that I met the think it was at a convention and I just walking around you know meeting guys getting autographs and I just kind of started in the game of interviewing people Wrestlers and stuff like that and posting them up on Youtube and as working on open anthony. I'm sure at the time. And I said hello. And he had stopped me and just said that he knew who I was and said something nice or whatever and I was flabbergasted I was there with my wife and I was like just you know who that is. That's the thing I mean. That's that's the guy that's the ring announcer and he was just as nice a guy as you could possibly imagine I mean so passionate about professional wrestling knew you could possibly know I remember growing up and when AOL was first starting and wwe had their aol site. You'd go to keyword WWF and you could go to go to the AOL just before the website before anything they would have out. Think think and Howard finkel would be in the AOL chat room and he'd be asking W. E. Trivia and every single time. He did it. I've been trying to get one of those prize. Packs trying to be getting one of those prize packs never got it but always tried going to live shows as a kid. I mean he would be the first face that you saw before the wrestlers came out. The fink was in the ring. And that's how you knew you really there in person and then you heard it in person and you're like Oh my God. This is the show so I met him and we kept loosely in contact after that which I couldn't I mean I couldn't believe every time I we sent messages back and forth. I was like this is the thank. You just always such a good guy. I mean he was. He would keep track of everything not only encyclopedia on wrestling Trivia. But he knew everything that was going on. That was one of the things that he did was. He just tracked down Who was saying what about. Wwe publicly and not in a negative way just going like. Hey let's just be aware of. Who's of of of what our brand is doing outside of ourselves? And that's what he did you go and look up wrestling stuff all the time When I started the podcast when it was Sam Roberts Wrestling podcast I was like in my head I had heard. Howard Finkel do a couple of like weddings here. And they're like they would go viral when he would do him 'cause against so iconic and I went you know this is like five years ago but I was like you know. There's a lot of wrestling podcasts. Out there and if I was saying that five years ago when I think now but as like there's a lot of wrestling podcasts out there that was when I was the king of the game by a mile and I said. I don't know what I can do that. Really GonNa make me stand out and make me different and I had this idea to maybe see if I could somehow get Howard Finkel to cut some lines for me and so I reached out to him and again talking about being flabbergasted when he got back to me and he said you know. I normally wouldn't do this but I'll do it. Yeah yeah sure I'll do it. I couldn't believe it I could not believe it and he did it or you know you went through. Wwe's PR and everything. And the whole thing. And I knew I as the steps as you were going through the steps. There's like at some point. I'm going to get hit back with like of course Howard. Finkel is not gonNA cut your podcast intro. He's Howard Finkel okay. Do you have any idea what that voice means? And I'd be like yeah. No I was waiting for this to happen but can hurt to ask and I really don't even like asking for stuff you know. That's not my thing I don't I don't I don't like making requests but I was like this is worth it and he did it and I will never forget. He got back to me and he sent me the lines and he was like I sent you two versions. The first version is just like an announcer voiceover type version and then the second version. I really think that up for you and I was like dude. You are the man the absolute man and obviously I've used them and if you listen I mean if you guys have been listening long enough you know that the Howard finkel lines when I rebranded the podcast not sam wrestling and I was sitting there going like wow I wanNA rebrand the podcast. Obviously all the imaging which is our word for the Audio Production. The intro the sweepers all the imaging has to be different because all the imaging at the time said. Sam Wrestling podcast. I wanted to call it not saying wrestling so I went through with my producer and we got a voice over artist. I'll say to cut the not sam wrestling parts and let's just hack up and at the time You know I don't think that I think was doing a lot of voice stuff anymore. Because his health wasn't in the greatest place in the world so I was like well. I'm not I can't I can't let go of this him of his voice on this on these interests like this. It's more almost more valuable to me to have his voice on than my entire vision for rebranding it and so we went in and we just cut up all the stuff that he had given me. I just took out everything that said Sam Roberts wrestling podcast and figured out. How did just make it work into the new production? And I'm so glad that I did because to me. I mean it still no matter what I do no matter how long I've been doing this. Show that voice on the front of this show to me that puts this show in a in a class in and of itself and then I jumped on the Mike and Somehow over the course of forty five to ninety minutes to ruin the whole thing for everybody but at the beginning of this show you go. Oh this is a big deal and that has nothing to do with me. That's because Howard Finkel is the one saying here's the show So like and I would add. I mean I told him every time I saw him dude. I'm still using that. Thank you so much for doing that. It means the world to me. Thank you so much for doing that. And I'm glad that I did. I saw him last. I I feel like it was re Wrestlemainia last year but it could have been summer slim in Brooklyn but I feel like it was last year's Wrestlemainia and it was the first time I'd seen him in quite a while and He was in a wheelchair at the time but he was just out saying hi to everybody and clearly just elated to be a part of the scene and just just elated to be in the mix to see everybody to be a part of the show. Even if he wasn't on the show I mean go back and look it at at the survivor series when Madison Square Garden. That was the show when the rock came back to team with Johnson against R. Truth in them is that was the C. N. punk versus Alburto del Rio Championship match and Alberto had a Rodriguez air to be his personal ring. Introduction guy and see 'em punk kind of as a goof on that brought out the thing and you can hear me and and it's different as in Madison Square Garden. That is the thinks home when the think came out at Madison Square Garden. I mean the fans would not let him start his ring introduction. They were cheering so hard. everybody was so happy to see him. I mean I remember for the longest time. He would the beginning of wrestlemanias that he could be the one person that was there on every Wrestlemainia if my memory serves me correctly for a long time he was billed as the first employee of wwe. Any made it all the way through his life. So you know we found out he passed away he was sixty nine years old as much an icon as anybody can possibly be in this world wrestling and I am I part on a personal level. I'm so lucky to have you know. Gotten to be in contact with him at all to have him have touched my life at all but on a much bigger level where all lucky that forever. We've got his stamp on so much of the wrestling believe got in front of us on the WW network everywhere else so rest in peace to Howard finkel man and I see already in the in the in the discord room grim reaper. He's the new. Wwe champion Yemen. Just amazing just amazing so rest in peace to Howard Finkel and I would never do bad. Howard finkel impressions for any reason other than this is the best Howard finkel impression. Luke gallows he told the story here actually of when of of when he was doing how shows and Howard finkel called him up to tell him he was gonna be wrestling came but he did it in the Howard finkel voice and never knew if that's just. His voice was doing his goof but it was really really funny so go find Luke Gallows Doing Howard finkel impressions it will. It'll bring a smile to your face. I mean speaking of Luke. Gallows the real reason that We're doing a podcast today. Making it public for everybody was because yesterday was black. Wednesday for shore for the wwe a historic amount of releases from the wwe in response to what's going on with corona and covered nineteen and so many businesses struggling. Look you know I don't this. Podcast is is never been about getting into the business of things because this isn't a business. Podcast is a wrestling podcast. Wwe's in this place. Where I think more than any of US know you know we know that that Vince McMahon and president trump? We know they speak right. We know that Vince. Mcmahon is one of the people who President trump is putting on a committee to help them restart the economy. That would lead me to believe that. Vince McMahon and the people who are talking to the president are aware that we might not be opening arenas backup anytime soon that maybe the estimate of when we get back into arenas are not quite as good as we thought they would be you know and I think that the the the WWe is looking at what they're doing and looking at the potential long term of the short term future meaning. We don't need to just set ourselves up to be able to function for a month. We need to be able to set ourselves up to be able to function for a lot more than that Unfortunately in that quest a lot and I mean a lot of talented people were let go released and furloughed from WWe. Yesterday and I wouldn't be surprised if there's more today you know I i. I was kind of trying to wait before I did a podcast to win. I think that everybody who's going to get released has been released but I do worry. That no annex t names were brought up. I mean I mean a very small amount of. Nfl teams were brought up yesterday and they weren't even really brought up. Officially they were brought up on those people's own social media accounts so. I do worry that there could be more releases in that department today. I have no idea. I've been staying far under the radar as I can with all that stuff But I have been reaching out to all my my friends or many of my friends who work there and it was to me before all the talent started to get announced when they just announced their first five or whatever. That's when I was like reaching out to people and just being like hey just so you know I'm thinking about you and Baba and I could not believe the amount of talented behind the scenes. People that were being let go or furloughed furloughed just means that I mean depending on how they're doing it sometimes people keep their benefits. Sometimes they don't but it basically means that we're going to let you go but you are still tethered to the job in a good way meaning once things get better. We're not gonNA fill somebody in. We're not gonNA replace you so should things get better will put you back into your position if that's something you want. That's my understanding of it anyway. So that is something to keep in mind. But there's so many first of all the list of wrestlers that were released shocking to me because the amount of talent and passion. That's on this list. The amount of people on this list that deeply deeply care about wrestling in all forms. I mean. There's many people on this list that I look at people that I would imagine would be involved in the wrestling business forever that that can grow with the WWe system. I think the unfortunate thing is the wwe system in the short term has changed. You know you also have to keep in mind that the WWe brought in a ton of talent part of that You know was theoretically because of competition. And they didn't want people leaving the company and so they would just keep them under contract but the other part of that was Moving to Fox in October. That's why they started bringing in a ton of new producers they started signing talent just like when they reach rebranded the draft several years ago. That's when they brought back gender Mahal and Curt Hawkins and Shelton. Benjamin same thing happened here Just in October With the idea being that you'd have two very separate brands and two very separate crews and so now you're left in a position where you're not travelling at all and all you're left with is a crew that legally has to be a skeleton crew accrued must be a bare bones crew with a fraction of the revenue streams that you once had Not traveling at all so I think that what happened is the landscape has changed so much since October that the WWe was forced to downsize at least temporary. And that's what I'm hoping man. You know I was really annoyed. There were so many people that were on twitter going like well. It's not that big of a deal because they are going to go to a w and it's like what are you talking about? Eight of us in the exact same situation. Eighty W is not running shows in front of audiences. Aws revenue streams are being cut off as well first of all. They pre taped a month of shows or so. I think so. It's not like they're going to hire somebody and bring him on. Tv next week. Second of all I would imagine the fact that they're experiencing this the same way everybody else is experiencing this. They're not going to sit there and hire twenty wrestlers right now. You know what I'm saying like. They're not they're not going to. Aws NOT GONNA go on a hiring binge right now because no company is going to go on hiring pinch inside or outside the wrestling industry. You've got AWA running television shows in empty arenas many pre-taped you've got. Wwe downsizing and other than that new Japan's not running ring of honor's not running and Mel ws not running. None of the indies are running so the reality is that you have to be sympathetic to the fact and just realized this is just bad news. At the moment you got a bunch of guys and girls that are in their houses right now not sure of what the next step is. GonNa be and they don't have an immediate response to it. They can get up a pro wrestling teashop starter YouTube channel. Start a podcast stuff. They can do from their houses but they can't do what they do right now. And that's that's the part that's so scary. That's the part. That's so sad for so many of these people You know I I heard some people talking about You know why don't they release bigger names? Nearly I too want somebody to lose their jobs so somebody else does. And I don't think it's the most constructive thing in the world. You know what I mean. We can just hope that. The wrestling industry gets healthy again. Because I think this is way more about all these individuals for me like I'm thinking about is these individuals so that's kind of what I wanted to do is go through the people that are either furloughed or or unemployed right now. I mean they're all employed right now but they're either furloughed furloughed or released are laid off or you know. I don't really know because who knows what we said to each person again. I think even the people that were released if they want to. When things get back to normal you would hope there will be spots for a lot of these people. I hope but I mean just a tremendous amount of producers According to PW insider over at the performance Santo Performance Center Kendo as Beth Assay over the performance center Kendo Kashin Ace steel and Serena Deeb according to pw insider were all let go of course Kendo Kashin Javanese superstar a steel Probably best known FOR BEING ONE OF CNN. Punks trainers And being a friend of his and Serena Deeb of course also with a C. N. punk connection. We know her as a performer. Best For her work in the straight edge society. She shaved her head and everything but She's not so much in the performance center since being there Over on the main roster Hurricane Lance Storm Billy Kidman. Irs released on tax day of all days fit Finlay Pat Buck Davar Scott Armstrong and Sarah stock all of them. I mean just ultra talented people. Lance storm had only been there for a couple of months. I think Billy Kidman's been there for a long long time and Billy Kidman. I mean they're all super talented producers. I don't want a single anybody. A Billy Kidman just a super talent so many of the women credit fit. Finlay for so much. He's been working with the women for a long time now and I mean you just went on twitter yesterday and you could see how much so many in that women's value fit Finlay and helping turn them in to the wrestlers that they've become payback is. Pat Buck is somebody that I am not worried about in the slightest. We've had I mean you guys know. Pat Buck is a great friend of the show is a friend of mine personally and like when you talk about somebody who's got a love of the professional wrestling industry and somebody who come hell or high water is going to figure out how to make it work for them. That's Pat Bach. This is not the first time that PAT. Buck has been close to a dream job. And then have it not work out. Payback actually had a dream job. This time and I know you he was. He was doing a lot over there. I think he's doing a lot more than you guys even realize he was on tv all the time but beyond that as a producer. But beyond that I mean the amount of input that he had in as much as he did. It was a lot and he deserves to. I mean he's he's a smart guy. He went in and created wrestle pro which is a big independent company. Here on the East Coast He and Curt Hawkins are behind creative. Pro- one of the best wrestling schools have not the best wrestling school on the East Coast That has Spots in Long Island and New Jersey Pat Buck knows how to survive in the wrestling business. That said I mean I think he's got a tremendous amount to contribute to. Wwe So hopefully he'll be back. I mean you could say that but everybody. Dari incredible Scott Armstrong. I Love Scott Armstrong. Irs Lance Storm Hurricane. You know hurricane is a guy who just a smile on his face no matter what he was working a lot with the Kabuki warriors. I believe he's done a lot too and he's got a great mind. There's another guy is just such a passion. All these guys have such a passion for professional wrestling that you're these these. This is the energy that you need around the product. So I'm really hoping for the best for all those producers As far as the annex t names I am not terribly familiar with. Mj Jenkins or Alexander Jaksic Who apparently were both released? I am very familiar with interviewer Deci- a Williams Russell and flow. I believe is the name that he went. Of course Probably most famously got to wrap Adam Cole to the ring during takeover but had since become a full-fledged member he was originally brought in I think is kind of Just somebody who's going to help produce digital content and then became a full fledged member of the broadcast team. He's doing interviews on annex t doing any of us on the Youtube Channel. He's also becoming a member of the annex. Uk broadcast team. So I I would imagine that. That was going to be a temporary one to. I really hope it is But Yeah I mean you talk about a kid. Living his dream At some point I'd like to really talk to him on the podcast just about his journey to getting to wwe not necessarily about not being wwe. Because I think he'll be back but about his journey to get there and who he is and everything just because I think it's a it's an interesting story And somebody that. I've been an advocate for for a long time Deanna paraiso released according to herself on twitter Who you know. This is a person who will be successful interesting ring again. This is a person who there would be no doubt if wrestling were running. Right now would already have her. Calendar booked up. But that's the problem. I have no doubt that Diana Peraza will be successful again in a wrestling ring. I just WANNA know when we'll be able to get a wrestling ring up again. You know what I mean we go over to the list of main roster superstars that were released and honestly as we're recording this podcast. I'm checking my twitter account. just to see If if there's more names being announced I just I went so yesterday morning I went on I went over my My mattel section of the Nazi cave down here and I was reorganizing. My wrestling figures and I had a section of figures that was the producers. So like my irs figure my fit finlay figure like all those figures I kept in one section of the shelf as producers and I had just made the decision. You know what I'm going to take them off the active roster shelf and I'm going to put their characters with where they should all be a chronologically because I have a show for the nineties show for the attitude era. You know all that stuff a couple of hours later. They all get fired. And I'm like what that's the last time. I reorganized my wrestling figures. That's for sure. On the list of wrestlers. The was it was technically a producer. He had been sort of Morphing into that behind the scenes role of producer but Kurt Angle was released from WWe Which I you know. I don't know Allie was producer. I'm assuming he was pretty good. Since he's got a pretty good brain for pro wrestling. He took to it like a like a duck to water so or a fish to water but ducts like water to So yeah I mean if not I you know I wherever he goes. He's one of those guys that can show up to literally any promotion and and be extremely impactful. You know be even if he's not wrestling and who knows maybe I'll pull out another match but if you were shopping. Eighty W ring of honor and new Japan impact. Any of these places It would be a big deal and it would be a good look for any company to have Kurt Angle. So we get to the active roster wrestlers and there are some surprises on here and not surprises on here and that's no disrespect to anybody We'll go down the list. Primo and APP ICHO were released Which I don't think it was a huge shock only because they weren't being Used they were kind of just There in the bullpen. So not a huge shock with Primo and epoch. Oh interesting that the revival was released only a week before this and you wonder if they were like. Oh maybe we can release a couple of guys and they realized it was gonNA have to be a lot more than that one that I'm A. I'm pretty bummed out about to tell you the truth. Is Leo Rush I've been a fan of Leo rushes since his working. Cw I was in the building for his last match with George. Nella the ladder match where I believe he knows sold They piledriver off the ladder or something like that and got the Internet all mad but I'm a big Fan of Leo Rashi. Certainly had an up and down relationship it seemed with wwe. I thought the stuff that he did with Lashley was great. I was actually always a fan of Lashley showing his but to the audience. I think the Leo Rush. Lashley stuff is probably the best stuff that Lashley's done with this run in. Wwe And I always thought that that ended prematurely. But that ended with with Leo Rush. I guess being in the Doghouse or having some trouble or whatever it was with wwe he came back and when he came back to annex T it was really cool to see the fan reception for him And it was really cool. It seemed like you know. Just a refresher. He was onto a five live. He went to the main roster disappeared for a while. When he came back he came back when annex t came to USA. And I it seemed like it was going to be a big part of it. You know when when he invaded smackdown before survivor series. He was front and center on that tank He was cruiser. Nfc cruiserweight champion. It was a little surprising that he wasn't in the tournament. You know we talked about that on Monday show but the world has changed again since Monday. So you know. I don't really know what happened there. But he had been cutting promos and stuff on the Internet About the fact that he wasn't in the tournament and everything I look you know I. Hopefully oh rush is still passionate about wrestling. And he's going to continue to wrestle because I think he's great you know. I really think he's great. I think he has so much to offer and he's already done a lot and he's super young. Was Twenty four twenty five year old piece of goal so yeah. I really hope that that as soon as wrestling is back Leo Russia's right back there wrestling aiden English surprise me and I think he's on this list because he must have still had a wrestler contract on an announcer contract. Because I didn't hear any other announcers being like oh but yet anyway. Who knows can't let me go. I worked for free. I'm just there one guy likes me. I read it on the Internet Aiden English aiden English. Was You know to me first of all I always liked when he when you went through that thing Where he started wearing tights with paintings on them. I thought that was brilliant but Eight English did an amazing thing. Aiden English was was locked in to a Gimmick. He was locked into a partner. The vaudevillians remember the Vaudevillians with Simon. Gotch so when Gosh was released aiden wasn't and that left him in a very weird place because the WWe audience had only gotten to know him as part of that team and usually and it's not like they were looking at this team going with that. One Sean and that one's Marty and I can't wait till they split up. It was no if you liked the team. You like the team. If you didn't like the team you didn't like the team but you weren't necessarily waiting for them to split up. It was a very married act and so when they split up it put him in a very precarious spot. Now he's got reintroduce himself and have the audience get to know him as a singles performer. And it was rousseff day that really brought him to that level that he needed to go it was it was reuss day and I believe the Reuss have day would not have been nearly as popular as it was. Had it not been for eight English singing day when Rousseff came to the ring you know? I think that that he was such a valuable part. Of what made rousseff day so special and even if Rousseau Day never achieved what could have an my opinion and wwe even have Russe day should have been so much more. It's still one of those things that nobody's ever GonNa Forget it. Still one of those things that wrestlemainia thirty four in New Orleans before anything was even going on in the ring there was a stadium full of people the superdome full of people chanting Rousseff Day. That never goes away. That's a memory that lasts forever and a lot of that is because of an English and he was able to get that done after having this career in a tag team that he was married to which is amazing. He went on after that. After the kind of Rousseff Day Act separated. He was like okay. Now I'm on this island again. What am I going to do next? And he took up commentary and he was really good at it and people really liked him at it too. He was the color commentator for two zero five live. I think I was Vic Joseph then would I think most recently I know with John Quavo. But I don't know if there's a little Tom Phillips mixed in there in the meantime inbetween time or not. But I mean he's really developed into a hell of talent in commentary and and I think what's great about him and commentary is he didn't come across as a wrestler who was commentating. He seemed like he jumped into the commentary world with both feet and I think that's something that not. Everybody has the guts to do but his ability to reinvent themselves over and over again. You know that. That's what makes survivors. I think in wrestling. So you know another one that I hope is back but but a super talent and good guy nonetheless I would say Mike. Maria canals not the biggest surprises ever. I don't know what it was about Mike and Maria. I kind of always enjoyed the Mike and Maria canals. The fact that Maria was the one that was in charge he took her name. You know he was doubting. I think it got a little crazy. I think it went a little bit too extreme when it was like. You know somebody else's the father of your kid. I like him better because his penis is bigger than yours. Type of stuff you know I always I was like where is this going like? How is this going to help anybody in the long term but they had been on? Tv In a while and when they were just wasn't probably what it could have been You always wonder if they'd gone to annex t I would that have been better I guess the legacy of Mike and Maria will probably be that Maria announced was the first pregnant champion in the history of. Wwe was she won the twenty four seven championship. Wa- pregnant. So that's a big deal of course Moore. Marie has got more of a legacy than that and wwe because Maria was wwe for such a long time before. Mike Got There but in terms of them as a package. I think that'll probably be the legacy of that package no way. Jose is one that you know. I mean lovable fun. Fun Acting Annex T. But I think if there's any takeaway it's the like nobody wants the kind of feel good party guy. You know what I mean. We learned that with What's his name? The South African Guy. How am I blanking on his name? Right now. Leo Kruger you know. I'm talking about and no way Jose the same thing but a but but a fun act nonetheless Mike. Yoda surprised me. I hate when news drops that it somebody that I grew up with. You know. We're talking about the finger earlier but Mike. Iota is a guy who has been a referee. I think as long as any of us have been watching you know. I hated finding out that Jim Johnson wasn't the theme Guy Anymore. That the the Brooklyn brawler wasn't working there anymore that The timekeeper wasn't working there anymore. I mean Earl Hafner was probably the first one but Mike. Yoda really surprised me because he was the last kind of legacy referee guy there and and yeah I mean you know. I think that he's just when you see his face. You know he would pop up in the undertaker matches and whatnot but Yeah icon referee for sure to say the least Sarah Logan going. You Know I. I don't know why she was so far. The only Female on the main roster to get released I always. I always thought it was really good. I remember when the May young classic happened. There were a lot of people whose opinions that I really respected. Jim Ross was one of them who said Really Nice things about Sarah Logan. I remember interviewing Charlotte on this podcast. And she didn't remember her name at first but she said that she saw the May young classic and wanted to wrestle. What was your name? What was your name and it was Sarah Logan. You know I think she came in with a world of potential the riot squad. I think hit in a big way and yeah I mean I still think she's got stuff to offer and I think that she will make any women's division and that's a I think like the wwe has women's wrestling on lock right. Now there's no place in the world with a better women's division than Annex T and I don't think there's anyplace besides annex t with a better women's division than Ron smackdown so you know whether it's ring of honor eight w the indies anywhere else. Sarah Logan's GonNa be just fine because there is a need for really good experienced female talent because that's that's not. Let's not take that for granted. Doesn't that many people who have experienced wrestling in front of a global audience in front of Arenas and in front of stadiums and Sarah Logan has done that? All these people have done that. So you know. I think that that's something to definitely keep in mind. That adds a ton of value. All these people but Sarah Logan is one who we will see. As soon as the wrestling rings are put up again Rowen getting released. It wasn't a I guess. It wasn't the biggest surprise based on what's been going on with row in but it was a huge surprise based on what was going on with Roman like a few months ago he'd been promoted before the draft to like main event level. He's literally main eventing shows with Roman reigns he was he was Daniel. Bryan's right hand guy. He was like this. We found this new niche for himself. And then you know the the only good thing is I don't think he anybody will remember him for the spider thing. You know what I mean. I don't think that will be the thing that we forget. And I think that Rowan's legacy will be it'll be why it's it'll be the bludgeoned brothers and then it'll be the Daniel Bryan Pairing. That ended up with him in a in a main event spot. And that's how we'll remember Eric Rowan. Assume unless he comes back and creates even more with his legacy. But I wouldn't be shocked. I mean man Harper and row and Duale together. I think people would be pretty excited to see Harper and Rowan. Reuniting Eric Young was released and Eric Young is another surprise. Because Eric Young as a guy you know who really in a time when Tina was not good at creating their own stars from scratch Eric Young was created from scratch for the most part and TNA and really rose you know. I think he made sanity something. That was very popular in annex t and just it just didn't sanity never clicked with people and I don't know which people but it never clicked with people on the main roster You know it's and it's a real shame. It's a real shame. Eric Young is a guy who's got his wrestling brain in his head like he wrestling his what. He knows he's hilarious. He's able to come up with a super creative stuff and I feel like that is what is going to be the next chapter in his career you know he might have a year or two left wrestling. Who knows but I do think that he's GonNa have a lot to contribute behind the scenes in wrestling and I felt like that's why he was still in. Wwe I felt like he would be there to kind of help guys as they came up in the wrestling ring. And then you know before too long kind of transition to a behind the scenes role there in wwe. But I still think by the way he'll end up there we start getting into the real real. Bummer is now we start getting into the these are all these one two three four five ax to them tag teams. I mean. I don't know anybody who wasn't bummed out by these heath slater. I mean you talk about being beloved. He's slater it is hard to hear about a guy getting released. When his gimmick is? I need this job. Got Kids because that says it all doesn't it? I think the one saving grace of He's slater being released is that the only reason he slater is being released as to fulfill. The prophecy is to fulfill the prophecy of the three. All of the three man band gender Mahal got released from WWe. He got himself into shape. He came back a new man. He became the WWe champion drew. Mcintyre got released from WWe. He got himself in shape. He came back a new man he became the WWe champion. There's only one thing left for. He slater to do spend the next couple years getting himself in shape becoming a new man. Get your ass back the wwe and get that WWe championship. He's get that wwe title. You got this. I want to see he'd show up and PWG. I WANNA see Heath do an indie run like nobody's ever seen. I WANNA see heats later. Become a new person. I want to see heath later. Get all the indy buzz that there is to get. I don't WanNa see he'd go to a W I don't WanNa see him. I mean he could pop into ring of honor but I don't WanNa see him in any promotion fulltime I want. He's slated to go on the indie run of the century. And get that just do. He's got so much fan support that is just bubbling under the surface. Get out there and get it heath. Come back and become the champion. The good brothers let go big. Algae Luke gallows and Carleen Anderson now. They've already set up. Podcast talking shop so I think they are going to jump right into that but you know what I mean gallows and Anderson. They kind of were ready to go. I think the last time that their contracts came up but the wwe offered him just a ton of money life changing money and they said yeah we use that life changing money and they use that money and they changed their lives. I think now. Now you're at a point. Where Luke gallows and Carleen Anderson have made their money and you know what that means. They are now in a position where they can go out and do whatever they want. And that's exactly what I WANNA see them. Do I want to see them? Go Out and do whatever they want. Because I feel like we're GONNA get they're going to set the world on fire we're GONNA get tidal wave of debaucherous creativity from gallows Anderson and it'll be uncontrollable but it'll be undeniable. And it's going to be whatever they want it to be. Because now can hawkins and Ryder Shock. First of all up props Zack Ryder for immediately. Putting out a shirt that says not. They're still here was his catchphrase for so long. Look we've had our podcast wars in the wrestling figure world we are enemies however when you talk about two guys living their dream when you is a wrestling fan think how cool would it be if I grew up the biggest wrestling fan in the world and then I got to become a wrestler myself. There is nobody to live vicariously through more than Hawkins and Ryder and their contributions to wwe are both different. And I think both different than people even realize first of all. I hope Mattel still going to put out that edge heads pack with edge and the Hawkins and Ryder heads. I hope they're still GONNA put out. That edge has pack but dude first of all you got Hawkins who we've talked about it when he was on the podcast before who happens to be just a great wrestler and has been used in that respect you remember when he was injured and he was out for a while he actually did Transition into a producer role for a little while Just because he couldn't wrestle But this is the guy it was Hawkins who along with Curtis Axel trained with the Rock in the ring. Prepping the rock for his comeback. Hawkins has become a young grizzled veteran in his own right. And then you talk about Zack. Ryder and the legacy is at rider. Is the Internet Championship? And if you didn't live through that I don't think you can appreciate it as much as you should. You know I mean. I think that that you look now. And the idea of wrestlers entrepreneurs and the idea of wrestlers having their own youtube channels and podcasts. And everything like that. It seems like old hat. But I mean Zack. Ryder started being the elite. Yeah that would the Z. True Long Island story was the beginning of wrestlers outside of a company infiltrating that Youtube world. As a matter of fact. I'll bet the traction did the Z. True Long Island Story Got Zack. Ryder's Youtube show it changed. Wwe's whole perception of using youtube and now youtube is a is a priority for them they one of the biggest channels on Youtube and I think that the exact rider deserves a lot of credit for that. I think that greater deserves a lot of credit for a lot of wrestlers using youtube and if those wrestlers themselves were not influenced by. Zack Ryder. The people that they were influenced were influenced by Zack. Ryder all the tongue in cheek stuff. Zack Ryder trying to get over a fence. Zach what are you doing? And he just looked at the camera and said I'm trying to get over all that stuff. People weren't really doing before Ryder did it And then they transition their passion for collecting action figures into a podcast created this whole community behind it. I mean you know. I think it's GonNa be really interesting. Because when Hawkins got released the first time rider stayed and Hawkins figured out how to make a living in Wrestling Hawkins and Pat Buck became a pretty lethal combination. I feel like you had rider to the mix you've now got pat buck. Curt Hawkins Zack Ryder Horns Waddell. You've got the whole clique. They're ready to adjust create a storm. And I think it will. I think it'll happen. You know I think it'd be really cool to see Hawkins and Ryder in a non. Wwe position and I hope that that happens. Pike has gonNA get wild there. I think that by the way you know. I don't want to rub salt in any wounds but I think that this might leave me. Is the only member left of the elite squad and I just an official member of the elite squad like two weeks ago? But I think that I'm all that's left now on the elite squad so I'm GONNA have to contact bill mckean that but Yeah Yeah I think that I think that Hawkins and Ryder Hawkins and they already have pro wrestling. Tease shirt stores up. They're both already enterprising entrepreneurial guys they both have this ridiculous passion for wrestling so Yeah it's GonNa get real interesting real real quick by the way But said bummer. You know here's the thing you don't ever want you love seeing. Maybe it's the way I present myself but I say you love seeing people's dreams come true and getting to live vicariously through them but for some reason. Nobody loves me seeing. Nobody loves seeing me. Get my dream come true. Everybody hates it. But you never want to see the dream. And for those people because you're living vicariously through them but you don't realize is there's a whole other side of it there's a whole other world outside of the wwe that maybe you don't even think about that. You're now going to be able to see these guys lived through fruitfully And I really think that they will drag maverick. That's another one who I was literally just talking about on Monday about being in the cruiserweight title tournament and how his passion for wrestling is like nobody. I've ever seen let me tell you story about drake. Maverick I WANNA say it was summer slam because I think it was Montreal. He knew a hole in the wall bar as myself. It was. Drake Maverick is Vick Joseph. I remember if anybody else's they're not but while we're sitting there were not at work. No wrestling's around we're just at this bar. Vic Joseph Goes. Hey Drake can you name? Every wrestlemainia main event in history and drake just looks at him. Like what are you an amateur? And he just sits there any names from one to thirty five every WRESTLEMAINIA MAIN EVENT. And then vic goes yeah. But you can't do that. Wwe Champions he names all of them. He is a walking wrestling encyclopedia. And He loves every ounce of the wrestling business. If you guys were lucky enough to be there live let me. I'm GonNa tell you. What a good guy. Drake Maverick is the last time I did. A live. Show is all the way back in last September and this is one of the reasons why I hate doing live shows because they're really hard to put together. I love doing the show itself but I hate putting them together because I have to do it all myself. I had our truth booked for that show and the WWE was coming to town the next day they were doing raw in Brooklyn I was in Manhattan at Caroline's The Sunday before and it was. You know we're building and is my birthday so I had mark Henry. I'd Kathy Kelly and I had our truth in my head and I confirmed like literally I WANNA say. It was Saturday morning when I confirm with truth and he went. Oh my God. I'm so sorry dude I forgot but wwe doesn't have me on the road. I'm not going to be in New York Fuck. I said I'm out of guest. I haven't really advertised. I didn't advertise. That are truth is going to be there but I wanted. I started and I go. I mean it's a long shot but I texted drake maverick because drake and I just hate dragging I gotten together. We got to know each other. Well we knew each other and TNA because we both friends with Josh Matthews. And that's when I first met him when I came out to hang out with Josh Matthews at a show and Josh was hang out with spot at the time and we just got to talking and we got friendly I spent more time with Drake Maverick he'd come in. That's how much he loves this stuff. He lived in Orlando. They asked me to come out to Orlando to do some commentary training and and because I'd never done it before and they just asked drake to come out and do it with me because it would. Tom Phillips was there they were bringing me out for it and they were like what we want him to practice with three people so drake just came out. And he's like yeah. Sure I'll do it if you need me. And he just came out and did it. I was like that's that's amazing as jaded people as they are there are the like. Yeah cool let's do it and that's where you know. We got a little bit more friendly and I texted him the day before that show at Caroline's and has came in. Are you going to be in town? Yom Shooting except for the twenty four seven championship as like. Would you want to do this? Live show twenty four hours notice. He was like cool. I'll be there. Sounds good and he was amazing. He told all these great stories. Anybody that was there. He was like such a highlight. He told the story of the twenty four seven championship wedding. He told he told all these great stories and just awesome and he wasn't even supposed to be there. You know the fact that he was there. Any talk about his passion. He talked about the fact that like you know if he was not wrestlemainia he didn't complain. He took it as a notice that okay. I need to work harder. 'cause I need to get their next year? And that's that was attitude with everything. You're drake maverick. Is Dude. He cut he put that video out. Now you know when it was announced that he was released tears in his eyes. Emotional dream job also needs to provide for his family any announced that he was still going to be able to be allowed to compete in the cruiserweight round. Robin Tournament. Dude that was a promo that was a Promo. He was cutting okay and the fact that he realized okay. They're going to give me a couple more matches. I need the world to support me going into this thing any and it was from the heart and it was real and he was talking about his feelings but it was a promo any put it out there and I mean I don't know anybody. That's not gonna be cheering every single thing. This guy does in the cruiserweight tournament. And you know why. He did that because he gets it because he just gets wrestling because it's just wrestling i. How do I turn a negative into a positive? And he knew even as emotional as he was in that video and that was real he knew how to turn a negative into a positive and he did it. And he's going to keep doing that. This is a guy who you look at him. You're like no. I don't think it's GonNa be you and he goes. Oh really I'm GonNa make sure it's me. And he goes out and he make sure it's him. I can't wait to see what he does next. And I wouldn't I will. I believe he'll be back in. Wwe and then. Finally one of the biggest surprises was the release of Roussev. The biggest surprise in the sense that there's such fan love for this guy but maybe not the biggest surprise in the sense that he has hinted on twitter in the past about not being particularly happy with where he's at. Look I think rousseff is in the dropped? The ball category Rousseff is a guy who multiple times. He's had the opportunity to be at another level. He drove a tank into Wrestlemainia. I don't know if you heard but you know I mean it wasn't the same coming off of Wrestlemainia. Thirty one. He built up. Seem again during rousseff day and it was just never. There's just so much rousseff gets built and built and built in as never quite fully capitalized on and I have no idea why that is. You know we can speculate all we want but I have no idea why that is. He's in a position now where he is in charge of his destiny. It's up to him to capitalize on it and I one hundred percent believe that he will. I think that this guy you watch them on total divas you want him in the rain you can watch them on total divas. He CAN BE A. He'll he could be a good guy. He can be menacing. He can be entertaining. He can be funny. He can be dangerous. It can be whatever you wanted to. B.'s rousseff is rousseff day and And I think that that's going to continue. And that's going to continue going forward. All RIGHT GUYS. I appreciate you guys being here. Hopefully we'll get in patriotic exclusive podcast Patriot dot com slash. Not Sam wrestling Before Monday and it will have a little bit better news. I was thinking about doing a fantasy draft now that we have all these free agents. I was thinking about what happens if I started my own promotion. Where would I go with all this new talent on the market? Maybe I'll do that as a Patriot exclusive and then hopefully Monday. We can get into some better news. Let's try not to be bummed out. Let's watch some wrestling Timothy Thatcher's in an X T. It's not all bad news. Let wrestling continue to be an escape. Don't allow it to be the bummer. That is fighting so hard to be all right guys. We will see you if you're on patriots over the weekend if you're not on Monday for more not San wrestling thanks. Everybody thanks for listening. Follow at not sale on twitter instagram facebook and you to rate review subscribe. This has been not sam wrestling.

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Now, here's Steve Austin. Welcome to Steve Alston show. I'm coming to you from the main streets, Los Angeles, California. Today I'm sitting here three seventeen gimmick street about to open up a can of audio, whoa, pass extraordinaire with a young professional restaurant independence seen by the name of Maxwell Jacob Friedman, you might know him as m j f this dude has been in the business where about three years, he's twenty two years old and has already working at an extremely high level. Now, he does have a few tricks of the trade learn as we always do. No one ever goes to the ring and says, I know it all, but this guy with a lot of potential, it will be interesting to see where life takes him where his career takes him. But he has a lot of the tools necessary to make it to the very top. So very interesting conversation at a lot of fun talking. This young man came through Los Angeles. We're going to shot and he's working all over. The United States of America is in high demand then doing some work for basically every independent seeing. Out there doing some work with m. l. w. my buddy court Bauer, and I'll tell you what he is a heat seeking missile normally likes to work arm arm. Submission is finish. He's a heat seeking missile loves to work for the heat can Bill to a real hot finish at end of the match, and I'll tell you what he's he's about the fresh air somewhat arrogant. Dare I say he's very arrogant. He's very full of himself and he's very cocky, very confident. Nonetheless, you have to have those traits if you want to succeed in a very tough business to business appro wrestling and I'll tell you what man, this guy can work a crowd, like it's nobody's business on conversation. We'll get to him in a minute. Oh, we get to him. I want to go back to my Saturday. What a great week and it was for college football, man. My alma mater the university of North Texas back in the day when I played football for him, it was North Texas state university, man. I think they went down to Arkansas. Aw, opened up a big can of we'll bass on the Arkansas Razorbacks Arkansas in the south eastern converse. In my opinion, the toughest conference in college football nor Texas went down there and amongst many things they did was a fake, punt fool the entire team probably in dire stadium and God, dang what a damn play that was. But anyway, I'm going to give a shout out to the main green over North Texas coach. Seth Latrell really has that program going into right direction. I go way back to my days playing there and I believe I was there in one thousand nine hundred eighty six eighty seven and eighty six blew out my ACL on kickoff coverage. I was number two linebacker in eighty seven. I was a starting defensive in at the week, sad across from Tom met on a strong sad and we got our asses kicked damn near every single Saturday. I think we want to games one year and three games. Next, I tried to look up our results from. The record books back today on computer, but they didn't go back at far rocket and find them. I couldn't find the roster with my name on it, but I was down there on a full scholarship and back then we were division to school nowadays, their division one school and operate in at a real high level. I've been in communication with the coach and the Atlantic director down there and talk to him on Twitter every now and then was direct messages and really proud. They got things going into red direction. And hopefully we, as we all know, is very, very early in the season as a long season to go. But nonetheless, man, it's good to see them on the right track down there and the great town of Denton Texas, where I live for a couple of years and entered into the business professional wrestling with world class championship wrestling rat. What is being bought out by Jerry Jarrett from monarch to turn into the United States wrestling association. So man, lots of memories down there for me and man. Right across the state over in Austin, Texas, where I was born and raised for about three years, Texas longhorns what Tom Herman coming out of the gate. Man, I think they were one and one going into this big game with the university of southern California. The Trojans started off as a real close game. Real tough game is it always is. And I remember back in the day, I guess what was years ago invents young was quarterback and it was the Rose Bowl and Vince young damn near. I mean it it was a total team effort, but Jesus Christ what a platform for Vince young, just just show out much of a bad ass. He was in college football, just what a total beast. He was running all over the place, making place, throwing a football, and they came out of there were just a by the skin of their teeth with a big ass went over southern California. So man for the Texas to get back on the right track, Tom, Herman second year in that program, hopefully they get turned around if anybody can do it, they can. And being a university of Texas at Austin, you know cream of the crop as far as a destination place for college football player to go. So we'll see what happens there. And then man over there at Texas am where my niece and my nephew or at Neal and Emma man, they're going to go down to roll tide this coming Saturday. Some looking forward to that game, Texas him down in Tuscaloosa, Alabama, but knows them a big roll tide fan. I'm ac- I'm probably have to place a bet. I'm not a betting man, but I might have to bend my niece, Emma nephew, a little bit of something own that game because they are down hard aggies fans. And every time I text them or talk to them on Instagram account, I put on air, go Agee's because misspell aggies, that's the thing in Texas. You always making fun of the aggies, but it's outstanding school. It's at engineer school, but the thing is you always make fun of the aggies, but they're so happy and proud to be down there. And I'm. I'm so proud of him for making it into that wonderful university, but they're going up to Alabama's. It's going to be a hostile environment as is Cal feel when opponents come to play at Texas a. and m. it's a hostile environment. So we'll see how that game goes over, but I'm looking forward to it and a lot of games and Brassica. Got dang, got blowed out. A couple of people got blowed out this weekend, but it was a great week of college. Football. I got a chance to hang around the crib and checking all out. But anyway, I'm running my mouth. I want to get to this conversation with Maxwell Jacob Friedman and it's guy towards in abide. Castings kinda take a left or right, whatever you wanna call it, but be that as it may has all the potential in the world. Like I said, he's still got work to do, but he's he's working on a real high level and we'll see where his career takes him. I think you're gonna join us podcast a whole lot, and I hope you do because I had a tremendous time topping this young man, but before we get to a big Ange can't pass 'em JFK keep in mind that while I'm here flapping my gums. There's millions of skilled workers out there, construction workers or utility repairman who make their living as doers. They keep the lights on the roads, paved the water flow in their unsung heroes who keep the world moving. 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I got this interview is going to be all over the place, and we've been getting a breeze about the rest of as about thirty minutes and five over 'em j. f. said, dude, we've gotta hit the red button more talking about too much good shit. Now you can probably keep things as you will today share and fine with that. But I, I can give you shout out my wife and I go down on apple valley every now and then. Just got back few weeks ago and dude, you big spender, you deep pockets. I got a bottle of Stag's leap wine cellars artists cabernet sauvignon from two thousand fifteen from MJ of you. Talk about a high class. High-profiled Ken much appreciated. I don't mess around man. Okay. I go wine taste and pretty much every single weekend, and I figured only the best for stone cold, dude, you're gonna win out balmy some two buck Chuck and I'd been happy, but the fact that you had to class to wherewithal and taste and the deep pockets to bottle arguments says a lot about you to me house road treating you treat me great better than most. I'm pretty much making my rounds coast to coast across the border across the pond working for pretty much damn near every single top promotion in the world. Where'd you grow up? York-new jersey. I grew up in New York item, come from jersey. You know, I'm not like I do, so don't offend me. Don't offend me. Coach, call jersey the garden, sir. Is it not? Sure? I think something went. With their plan and where the put the garden. I think they said they were going to put a New York. Somebody messed up couple inches too far to the left. I don't know, big mistake, smelly place you ever been to New Jersey. Of course, outbid man, I had some great times when I got dropped on my head. I was just talking to Booker t. He put me through a table, broke some bones, bagman jersey. I love to work there but got, dang, it's cut Mme career short, a few years. I mean, the sad thing about jersey is you're not the only person that that probably happened to. I think that happens to everybody that lives there. It's disgusting place, but in New York where I was born in bread, Long Island, Long, Island, New York. That's where I grew up a mother father, two sisters and grew up just better than most. You know how to really good living. I can't complain. I had everything I wanted more. Awesome. Well, you're in a business right now. What are you? Twenty two years old, sir. Man. You got gotta young young start, and that's great to get started. So young I didn't start until probably twenty three twenty four which is still young. But right now and have three years in business. Young age is awesome, and I'm watching you work and it's a lot of high level stuff and we'll get to that in a minute. But dude, when did you start watching the business? Because I mean, I'm imagining you probably were a regular at the Nassau Coliseum because net right down your neck of the woods, Nassau Coliseum Madison Square Garden, and my father was always willing and able to pay for those bring me to the show by the tickets. But the first time I was introduced a wrestling was because of my uncle uncle, and we haven't a house party at his place. Very, very nice house. Very big house. Obviously, he's a Freedman and we're watching the TV and clicking around on the channels out of nowhere. I see this big, gigantic dude got a red mask on, and I go, what is that? And I'm like, I don't know, probably six, seven, and it was Cain and we saw bits and pieces of the match and my cousin stole the remote for me changed. We don't want to watch that crap. I said, no, no, no, we need to watch what was that? And then after that. I pretty much begged my father said, we need to go to Hollywood video immediately. We went to Hollywood video of we. We me, I grabbed a stack of every single professional wrestling guy could find, but the one that caught my eye was there was a photograph of this man that kind of like a zombie and his hand was like reaching out. And on the back of this DVD it said, Helena cell match mankind versus undertaker I go. I don't know what that is, but it sounds cool. And the first match I ever watched in full was that match? So right off the bat, I was like, this stuff is bar Barrick and I loved. So yeah, man, funny thing about that night is I just been three or four days and Herman hospital in Houston, Texas. I just got finished working with mankind with sold out to Houston summit now where Joe Ota impacts. Every Sunday and preaches, but that was we used to run eighteen thousand strong. My mother and father, they've only came to maybe two of my matches. That was one of the came to cut a staff infection that match and after the match manage couldn't stop shake and Chevron. And so they all me to the hospital turns out I had staff put a bunch of fluids into me. So I stayed in hospital for a couple of days and that pay per view, which was that. Was king of the ring. Can you know whatever it was? I was in hospital because that was that match? Sure. And so anyway, that was I think the semi main now that stole the show that was matched of the year. That was a match that no one that ever witnessed will ever forget and especially the two guys taker and Mick Foley mankind pulled it off and just told an epic story and the things that went wrong during the match what major, which made it even more devastating and such a spectacle we myself and Cain were the main event that night. Yeah. So we're in a first blood match. So you know whoever makes the other person believed I wins the match. Well, when you just seen all that shit that you just saw all great stuff, epic stuff that those guys pulled off and a crowd was with it hook, line and sinker because it was mcph olien. It was undertaker and it was, you know, that big sale. It was amazing. So men Cain when to and worked our balls off. I love and man. This is when he was still talking with that voice thing is throat, and he really had that mystique about him, and it was such a great gimmick and everything these done is always been top notch to begin with, but dude, going back to that night, it just brings up a memory of you're going out there. You're given it your best, you're doing best, you can. I'm over cames over, but that is one of those things where you're just not gonna follow in front of you. Yeah. So how old is the only stellar storm? Man, I was seven or eight and I was changing channels on a manual TV. We don't have the remote controls with the Friedman's AB back here and it's modern technology. Almost no one does. We were poppers compared to you. Got sir. Absolutely. We're the Williams's and not changed my name to Allston to try to rise a level gave trying to work with smart, smart smart. So anyway, I'm changing channels and man. I see the smoke filled rano and dusty Rhodes bleeding like a stuck pig in the middle of the ring. And it's just a wrote Bannister around the rain. Just one light hanging over the square. Circle. It was magic and man. There's a security guard walking with a sidearm on ship your circling rings that was back in the day. I was seven or eight years old. My mom was over reading a magazine, Redbook and man does. He's bleeding like stuck pig. I figured a security guards got an and good he. He can help dusty ass. I don't over my mom. I said, mom, I said, why don't they guard hill? Dusty? She looked up, looked at the TV rolled her eyes and went back to reading Redbook magazine, but forevermore. I was hooked and ever since you know, going through my junior high school as even in college. I always knew that that's what I wanted to do with my life. I want to be a rock roasting, I, but I, you know, that's what I wanted to do and then go into the sport a Torian like I was telling you before we started rolling Santa, my buddy said, man, you got to get into this yours biggest Kerry. And no, I wasn't big as Kerry von Erich. But and seeing that commercial game, the impetus say, man, this is what I want to do. So back to you. You're young kid coming from high roll and family very well to do you follow in love with the business. So is your dad cool with it was a two violent when he take you to every venue that you wanted to go to. I mean, here's the thing from when I was a fan. He was super into it a super willing to go wherever we had to go. What about the whole stadium if I asked him to. So yeah, it was. It was great. It was fun. Of course it was honestly, I wish he did. There were a lot of undesirable people at these shows. I'm not gonna lie to you. Steve grow to wear, whatever did my whole section out just to keep some of the germ factor. Well, of course, but I'm talking about buying all stadium. I was a little offended. He didn't, but completely sidebar that's completely beside I'm with you. Yeah, but game and going to those shows are great. But the the moment I realized that I wanted to be oppressor was when we were at Madison Square Garden. It was the first ever elimination chamber. And in the main event, Shawn Michaels was an absolute crimson mask. And he hits his pose looked to my left. I looked to my right and everyone's standing up and clapping and I go, I could do that. I totally do that. And that was the moment and look totally do it. I'm doing. I'm doing it really good. So how do when it happened? Oh, man, I don't know. So I was born in nineteen ninety six graduate mash go right at that point know, but you graduate. Oh, go right before. Yeah, business when my poor, I know from your football days, basically everybody who is trying to recruit you. You go to an Ivy league school? Yes. What happened because you skipped college and went into pro wrestling's curve. So what happened there? So I had a full ride to an Ivy league college that legally I can't disclose of course because it's just hard questions here max, but but I'm with you. You can't disclose which can't disclu. Absolutely. Now let's go into the factoid tier. I was. I was an all state middle linebacker. I broke the tackles. You can Google this people if you want to broke the tackle. In plain view JFK the record I had about one hundred and fifteen in one season, and I was offered pretty much a full ride. And I get there after about a week. We're doing what they call hell week to me was average week. There's nothing special about it, you know, run there and back seventy times I got first place every time. I don't know what thousand ups. I was done. Thirty minutes before everybody else. You get it, Steve. You're a freak out. You're bored with it. And I once and the head coach came up to me. I was a freshman and he looked at me. He goes Friedman, we're thinking about starting this year and he was allowed to call you Friedman look, not Mr.. Here's the thing. All right. I didn't wanna slap this guy around. He didn't know any better. Okay. But I gave him the benefit of the doubt copy and I'm not gonna lie to you, Steve. I didn't get butterflies. I didn't feel anything I didn't. I didn't think to myself. Yeah, this is what I want for four years. So this is where the story gets a little crazy. I go to my dorm and I was dorming with another linebacker who was newly near as good as me. Honestly, very jealous kid felt bad. Good for him, but I look at him. I go. I don't know if this is for me. I think I wanna be a pro wrestler. He looked at me. He left the room, the God's honest truth story left the room, and I thought that's weird. The next morning I get called into the coach's office, this triple chin piece of crap. He looks at new roommate rolled on you. He knocked on you, of course he did because that's that's what disgusting. Poor middle don't get me started. Okay. Don't get me start on this zip face. We don't have all day teammate. Yeah, great guy. I slide in the office. Here's this pudgy head coach. He looks at me and he goes heard you thinking about leaving. And I said, yeah, well, coach, machen Lada you. I don't know if this is for me. I know what I wanna do with my life and he looks at me goes, can have you do that? I what I'm fairly certain. That's not how that works. Coach. Like I gotta go, he goes, no, no, no, you are one of the best recruits. We've never seen hands down and we spent too much time money and effort on you. You're not going anywhere, probably blew the budget recruiting your ash. I mean, Steve, I am fairly certain that they spent at least half of the expenses on that college campus. And so I can imagine the heartbreak and this guy was crying steaming jumps probably depending on you completely crying and I go, well, I don't know if that's up to you, sir. And he goes, well, I'm gonna have to sign you an accountability buddy. I didn't know what that meant in walks this six, seven ole lineman for for story purposes. Because again, I'm not trying to get sued. I have a lot of money, but wants money maximum much exact eat. This guy gets it. I know the people listening probably don't understand we're talking about, but this guy gets. From there. That linemen followed me everywhere. Let's call him. Let's call them south. That'll linemen followed me everywhere. If I went to the bathroom, he followed me if I went to the girl's dorm, he followed me everywhere I went. He followed for about two straight days and I waited till about two AM for cell to finally not off go to sleep. I pack the essentials at inas, jelly Donut. Disgusting. Disgusting slob. Don't get me started in our about dead bats. Okay, and three, gag your stay. You're gonna make a getaway there. I rushed to my truck. I don't imagine you driving a truck. Oh. Ram Hemi. No, no, no, no, no. Here's the thing. What am I going to take a commemorative campus? I don't need these schmucks break in my windows. True. We'll bring like my fourth car, which is a nice truck. Notable hamming you trucks, right? Yeah, I've heard so I've heard I drive home all the way home and my parents wake up and immediately. What are you doing here. Then we're happy to say, you know, not happy at all. How can you do this. You're blowing a free college education, and I looked at them and I said, I know what I want to be a wannabe professional wrestler. My mother just instantly cried and she left the room and my father. He looked at me and my lead to curse on this yellow Smith. None up too many f. Baras. Yes, this is the one on the podcast. Absolutely, because it means means something. What the of are you thinking to which my response was? I don't know what just want this, and he looked back at me and he said, what you're gonna do this, we're gonna find you the best school, the best trainers. If you mess this up, you're, you're done. You're done. And I said, all right, bet. And then off I went when we looked up the nearest school to us, which was in hicksville Long Island, create a pro, and that's where I got my start. What did to clash what an instruction entail? I remember back. Today in our first few days first few weeks, it was basically tumbling grills, learn how to take a flat back Bob slab and a map protecting yourself. We'd get into the chain wrestling later, but you were trained by what Pat buck and curt Hawkins. Emma, correct? Yeah. The learning tree, there's not. You got Pat buck who was in Lovie w and he got to learn from guys like Danny Davis and rip Rogers just up shirt. My Danny Davis story before we started rolling sound. I was telling the stories about, I started calling my matches at a very early age because I don't hear very well on our forget working with Lawler. He bought me with him three nights in a row, Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday was Memphis Louisville and Evansville and probably the worst match lawler's ever had in his life. I'm green as grass. I look good, but all of a sudden, you know, lawler's kind of guy like start calling spots as your patient around the ring. I wouldn't use to here in spots to begin with, you know. But when I am listening to spots back, then I was used to being in a headlock or a lock up. Or something, right? So we're basing around ring Lawler ventriloquists, ventriloquist style, starting to call a high spot. And so as he's walking around route ring talking like this talking through his teeth because most times I'm also reading lips as I'm listening to people can't read his lips and I can't hear him because I'm death. We went to after bathroom made the call three times each time and this before I created the what gimmick w w e you know he'd make the call ago. What do it again, we're kept pacing. Just kept pacing. What after the third, what it turned into a real basic match ERC so, but Danny Davis, one time, like I told you US w was a weekly territory, and so I know I've already seen the book and sheet. I'm working with nightmare. Danny Davis who was wonderful to me and took me under his arm and has learning tree and taught me so much, and we get to the building and I go up to Danny essay. Danny I said, we're working tonight. I said, what do you want to do? And he goes out Steve. Leave it up to you. You call it. I said, Danny, I said, normally when I'm driving to the building, I'm trying to think of stuff, you know, because you know you're the, you're the veteran, I figured I would listen to unite. He goes Nacion, you work. If you get lost out there, I'll help you out. And so that's how cool Danny Davis was to me and I gotta get big ups to it. But anyway, Danny Davis, rip Rogers. You're their go ahead. Sure. And that's, that's pats learned tree. And then you got Hawkins been the WWE his whole entire adult life pretty much from from the signed eighteen nineteen and he's still there now he's, I think he's in his thirties now early tonight. So yeah, man, just but I never heard of Pat bug BANESTO star, reading his resume and seeing all the places do these guys traveled. I mean, those guys got a lot of miles behind him and a lot of matches. I didn't know that they were experienced because when it first started thinking and that was curt Hawkins, I think it was his gimmick name before I got to curt Hawkins. But anyway, I was like, who are these guys? I've never heard of him. Then started researching their background, said, holy. Shit. These guys are real workers. These guys been around. So how did you take? Let's go back to the question. What did open grill stuff kind of consist of. I mean, here's the thing. Okay. My first day in it was me and Pat buck. That was my first day training and right off the whip. He could tell it was a top tier athlete. I mean, I was blowing all these guys have already been there for a year totally out of the water, duh. We were going to the bump, drill killing it, lockup killing it. You know what? Screw it. Let's do up and overs killing it. So I mean pretty much since day one, I was an absolute prodigy and that's me being humble, Steve, I'm not gonna lie to you which by the way, people call me humble all the time, and I really do appreciate it. But sometimes I have to explain to you the viewers listeners. Just how great I am, you know? And yet since day one, really it was easy stuff but but day one, it was. Learn how to bump lockups and I and I did do overs in the class. They pretty much they threw me right in which I think was incredibly beneficial because sometimes I feel like I've gone, I've checked out other schools. Sometimes I feel like if you on day one are just learning one thing and you do that for months while it's gonna make that one thing. Great. Sometimes I think it's good to be thrown into the lion's den and just learn on the fly and try to and try to get to everybody else's level. You know. And honestly, I cannot think of a better school in the Tri state area. Like if you if you live in the tristate area and you don't go to create a pro, you're nuts. These guys are so good patent Brian. So good. Now earlier in the podcast I called you max. Okay. Are you cooling mccone. You match? Because I didn't clear that with, you know, I've got, you know, obviously I am stone cold, Steve Austin. I left a pretty decent market and business. I'm not gonna sit in blow smoke. In my mom, but it is what it is you do you mind if call you max, Steve? I'm going to let it slide. Okay. Because we're in your home working with me, but just to clarify, if you see me out on the streets and you say Jacob frame, I will level you notch. I work with that. All right, but anyway, back to it. So was it what you expected? It would be. I mean, the and this is this is serious. There's an absolute shoot. The second I walked into the ring. I felt like I was at home. I don't know if he felt the same way the first day of training. But the second I stepped in the ring. I was like, God damn it. I feel like I'm supposed to be here. I feel like I meant to be here. I did feel that too. I wasn't as a natural as you were knowing only things that I could expect to be. But the only thing that I wasn't Angela that was just tacking those robes hitting those robes, and you'll make Mick Foley tells a story. There used to be a like a cave fehb section. Wish some fencing in front of we call that the crow's nest and when guys would a we work on fry. Tonight and Saturday morning, you know, that's where the family would watch from either the wives and girlfriends. That's what they would work from. And so you know, he got to the town early, you know, he'd been coming in back and forth from Tennessee. So he was caved up crow's nest that was after the Saturday show, he would just kill in tan any notice this one kid out there with loan blonde hair with pretty good physique. Just hitting the road like a maniac heart, and he said that guy has a future in this business. It turns out he was. He was right? Yeah, but but to to your point, I did feel at home once I got inside that ring and I'll never forget when I went to that seminar talking to Chris Adams. I don't know how it was for you, but he was doing this presentation and it was also a moneymaker as well, right? You're getting thirty kids to kick in forty bucks. That's the money. So Madam dressing up. I got no money, momma analytics scholarship, and I put on my black Jerboa. My purple shirt is not shared my black lovers. I look like a million bucks for me, right? And I stood out in the crowd just because I was probably the only athletic one, their heavyweight people. I thought like like almost like all these monsters would show up that I was used to sing and ring, but it was just like real, a real normal array of people. And Chris kept singling me out because he recognized me and had a good look back in a day. And he knew that I could be the face of his school because is a smart guy, and he asked me what I was doing. I said, we have come from ball background and just got finished playing football at North Texas state and through his presentation. He goes, you know, just because you played football doesn't mean you're going to be any good. Momma ain't shit English accent. Doesn't mean you're gonna be able to make it in pro wrestling and two or three more times he kind of call me out. And at the end of the seminar, I told him I said, I said, I do. He goes Steve, he goes, it was good talking to you, and I them that come to Jesus meeting and I looked up to him and Chris was a little out there and it could be. It was a good guy to me. And I said, listen to it says you keep telling about my football background. I said, if you teach me how to do this, I can. He goes, okay, Steve, we'll see anyway. That's how it went for me. So back to the school when I when I got in, we were in one rain, twenty five to thirty people. Okay. So man, you got to take a lot of rotations to try and get some reps in on that kind of deal. How many people were in your learning setting with what went on and what's the name of that school? Create a pro. Okay. Create a pro. How many cats are there? Many rains instructors tell me about it one ring and I lucked out because when I first started going, there was about like eight, ten kids normally a class. So I got. Lot of ring time we all and they made it a point to make sure that all of us got a lot of attention and a lot of ring time together. The thing is now there's like God, if sometimes I show up to create a pro and there's like twenty kids there. It's roll around. I'm like Jesus, which is amazing a testament to how great the school is doing. But yeah, I got, I got a lot of ring time. I was very fortunate and also there's so many amazing veterans there too, that come through to create a pro because everybody respects, Pat and Hawkins so alike. I would have guys like Alex Reynolds, he'd using PWG. I mean, so many people. Trent. Trent came in one day Trump Reta. There's some other guys in the area that are amazing. Like VS k. who I know people listening to this might not know who he is, but as you know, there are some people that stick around in certain territories that are mazing talents is just they're just waiting for that break and he's, he was awesome. There was just there was a so many people that it was a revolving door of just awesome people that were willing to give great advice and God it, you'd have to be an idiot, not to try to soak it up. How long was it before you had your first match? And before you internet, how many days a week were you in this dude, I was there if there was a there was a practice day. I was in there every day up until my first match, and it was how many hours. See practice starts at seven ends at nine, and then there's open ring from like ten to eleven. Sometimes Brian Hawkins would leave give the key to one of the vets and I would stay there till like freaking one in the morning. You know what I mean? So yeah, I did not waste time because I wanted to be the best. So this was every day. This was Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Thursdays. That's pretty good. Yeah. Imagine a shitload better than one time away. Oh, yeah. Was your situation? We'll do it and it was after the Saturday morning show which was a television tape in which went out that night on Keijo. You TV channel eleven that was allowed TV taping, and then everybody cleared out when the marks clearing out. That's what we have filtered in and got our lessons. And so once a week dude it and it's hard to get it good at anything. One time a week is like I was telling you again role before we rolling sound in the US in Tennessee territory your work in the same towns every single night. Same shit. It's a Lou. Loop and so there's no better place to get your chops out by working shit, five, six towns every single night. You always got to change shit up. You always call in different shit. Gotta work, different body part. So it really does speed up the learning process. As far as the learning process you're putting in all these extra hours, you like the open ring time. Like at that point before your first match, what were you focusing on? Because when I watch you now at three years in business and I know you like to deservedly so toot your own horn. Good. You are at at two to three years, but when Kurt angle came through the doors and WWF back in ninety six ninety seven whenever he got there, he wanted to go Mel ninety six. Oh, sudden I see the stood athlete who wanted to go metal. I'm thinking, man's let these guys with his shoot mentality. They don't quite pick it up Kurt. I mean, he kind of picked it up in a faster fashion than anybody I've ever seen pick up the business. And then all of a sudden just a few years later being championship pitchers and it was just a prodigy and he'll go down as one of the greatest of all time speaking to your abilities. I'm, I've been very impressed with all the matches that I've watched on YouTube and I've probably seen ten or twelve matches. So the character work come first, the ring work mechanics. Psychology talked to me about putting all the pieces together to be where you're at now personally, first of all, God damn tuna fish and potatoes for breakfast, lunch and dinner wouldn't give your shit. Yeah. I mean, I got this is I'm not gonna to Steve. I don't think I've ever hung around somebody like us. This is a little rough for me and it trying my best to compose. And I want to apologize for for buying you this cheat sheet sheep spring water from trader, Joe, and he thinks he's sparking water. Dude. It's not even come on Canadian. I asked a room temperature when I talked to your guy before I came here and I'm dealing with this horse shit, but it's fine. Steven fought. To the to the question you asked. Okay, because you know Maxwell at the end of the interview, I'm gonna. I'm gonna ask you. There's two ways out of here. Sure. You can take the window. You can take the stairs. Go ahead with the answer as long as as long as a servant catches me on the outside. Fine. But no, I was always absolutely mesmerized by promos. That's what got me into professional wrestling, which is funny to hear because the first match ever saw was one of the most gruesome matches in the history of, yeah, his but but two very distinguished cared. Oh God. Yeah, undertaker and mankind is just to larger than life characters. So when I was the bottom line is just like you MGM is just it's me. It's me turned up. It's me turned up and when I was younger all the way up until now I knew exactly who I wanted to be in this business. I knew exactly how I wanted to talk how I wanted to look how I wanted to present myself. So that did come first secondary. I never knew how I wanted to present an structure. What I did in front of a crowd. That part was all creative pro. That's all them and I fell in love with people picking apart body parts. I love that just slowing it down because quite frankly, I don't care what these losers. Listen to this podcast. Thank you. Know if I can slow a match down, get my get my air. I'm here to make money. I'm not here to make friends. I like that. I like watching regal. I liked watching fit Finlay. I liked watching. We talked about it earlier hot stuff. Eddie Gilbert. I liked watching Tully. I liked watching Rick flair those are the guys who style I try to emulate. And that came second secondary. And once I was able to put all that together now you people honestly, you don't deserve it, but now you people get the finished product that is maximum. Jacob Friedman, were you ever a fan of Jerry? The king Lawler absolutely master on the Mike, but his pacing and the ring. And the way he rustled. And he was he was more of a brawler than a wrestler, and I just loved his style for a guy when I'm watching some of your matches when you're a year and a half two years in business, one of the biggest mistake green guys make is rushing things in the ring just because you're in such a damn hurry to get a response to make your next decision to get your next response. You're just up sudden hell. I'll never get out there. I just went to the Tennessee territory that's manteaux game at a Steve name. I'm working as a baby face, I believe, or spots show in Lebanon, Tennessee and nuts comes up to me and he goes hit, go out there and give us give us about eight to ten minutes as working with the guy under a hood, and you'll go over how we're going to go over and sudden we'd go out there and just completely shit to bed. And you know, I thought we just told a damn masterpiece of the story. And he got me and he said, Chris champion, Chris champion just passed away a shout out to a, oh travel partner who taught. Me a lot Christianne came over and Dutch put out. He said, put a headlock on Chris, and I put a headlock on Chris and I had him down here. He got not like pull him up here so he can hear what he's telling you. And so we started, straightening me out and got up my ass. And he said, you see that chair o'byrne steel chaired again when used to neyland people with and he said, I said, yeah, he goes, you get that damn steel chair. You sit out there in the damn door. You watch every single match on the card. It's all the way you're gonna learn this shit. So that come to Jesus meeting with Dutch really was lit a fire onto my ass from from that point on, I watched there every match on the card. So would your pacing where you ever one of those guys at rush things into beginning in that year year and a half period right off the whip I realized I would watch these guys running around like a chicken without its head and just going crazy. Just just being out of breath on not knowing where they're adding a match. And to me when when I get to watch all this old school wrestling that I love, that's my, that's my bread and butter. I realized that the match was always way better when these guys took their time and you can hit those big moves, but how you're going to get there, do you need to rush to it? Are you going to sell or you're gonna wait for it or going gonna, give the crowd time to even realize what they've seen. Because if we're running back and forth, like rabid wolves, they're not going to be able to comprehend what's going on because they're dumb, you know, I mean, you people listen to this. I hate that tell you, but look in the mirror. You're really dumb. So you gotta spoonfeed this stuff to them. And I realized that really early stage with where you're at doing your thing on the independent scene, I'll cross United States probably all over the world people know of you and your experts in your compliments. The business has really sped up. I mean, a lot of days, quite frankly is trying to put twenty pounds of shit and a ten pound bag, and it just don't fit, but they want to put it in there anyway. And not going to be the grizzled veteran, but going back to, you know, my days watching superstar Bill Dundee and Lawler tilles epic loser leaves town stories and taking their time and holies. You just Bill in those moments, you're not rushing things in the ring. I haven't seen you do anything insanely dangerous piledriver spots and some of the things you know anything and everything is a risk. Let me put that first and foremost in the squared circle. One time we've worked in hull Ontario, which is kind of like a b- town and houses a real shits. I was working with triple h may was much guys in a six man tag match. And we said, hey, man, just guys everybody going to be cool. You know, we got one in that rod Amar. Nobody get hurt sheer. No triple h is running. The ropes Damian blows out a knee, so it's just running a rope sometimes can always. Yeah. So you've been, you've been able to stand harm's way, but my point my my question is not to beat a dead horse and keep. And that's what I like to do. It is my podcast. You're pretty good at it with everybody wanted to go hurry up, faster, faster, faster. You maintain this pacing, which I love. Does it concern you that much time to go faster and you do your thing or does that make you even more unique? I'm not worried about everybody else. I'm worried about me. The bottom line is, can I go that pace? Absolutely. Do. I sometimes absolutely one of the people I really. Watch a lot of Tapan Chris Candido to me, that was a guy who was able to speed up at the right moments and to slow down at the right moments, and he would do some cool stuff. Man do did a power bomb off the top rope. Scotto suicide dives pile drivers. He did incredibly innovative stuff, but he rated for the right moment. He knew when to speed it up and he knew one to slow it down. You knew when to speed it up and you knew when to slow it down. That's that's what separates good wrestlers from guys like Maxwell Jacob Friedman, you know, great wrestlers. But you know me and you. So to speak. Sure. Let's take a quick policy to calls and get big ups, truecar. Here's some useful car tips. 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I told you I was talking with court of emol w earlier it's coming people that you your mom uniquely of maximal Jacob Friedman shirt with total respect. But there's a couple of people that you remind me of when you're watching since you. There's mega fan from way back in the day and just just, you know, people would you probably would not want people. No, one of freak of wrestling you are as far as a knowledge of the stuff that you've studied in watch because you love the business, but, but who are people that are definite. Inspirations on you are left their Mark on you from, hey, man, this is kind of neat. Maybe I need to craft his to moan way but influenced you to me the goat to me. I have to. There's flair obviously, and then there's piper to meet piper was a guy who did almost nothing and had a crowd at the edge of their seat the whole entire time because you never knew what he was going to do next. You had those wild is and he drew in and whether you liked him whether you loved him, whether you hated any drew you in. So a lot of piper lot of Rick rude. God, I mean hot stuff. Eddie Gilbert. I mentioned before, I watch a lot of his stuff. Those are the, I would say, those are the main ones and then obviously influenced by trainers. I mean, if you watch if you wanna look up a platinum, Pat buck in Lovie w the hitmaker. He did a lot of great. He'll stuff man like a lot of great character stuff. Hawkins, obviously, great, great character stuff. But I've always since day one I was drawn in by the guys that didn't necessarily care what the people thought that guys that had one mission and it was to be the best, those kinds of characters. So as far as the go Go's, I'm with you. I'm a flare. He is riding piper and to me, like you said, very economical thing that was so powerful about Roddy was if he was a, he'll he was gonna make you hate him. If he was a maybe face, you were gonna love him because he knew what to do. And it was always that fire and just it was fire, whether it's baby, he'll. Directed in different fashion, but also Lawler Bach, winkled. But another guy who was so ecconomic in a ring that you watched every single thing he did because it was all geared around getting that DDAT after a short arm clothesline and the promos menacing promos. Genetic snake Roberts guy who basically how many highspots guy really did in high spots. Your transition is the way to get a different part of the match, but he would do spots, but it wasn't a high spot Centric match, and it was all about to BT. That was a guy who commanded you, respect your eyeballs, your attention and as a promo because he talked so low, everybody shut the hell up so they can listen to what Jake was saying, dude was a minutes. One of my favorite promos I've ever watched was Jake, the snake being interviewed and they put the mic up to his mouth and he's moving his mouth and you can't hear God damn word and you're, you're like turning up. The volume on your computer, your TV, however, you're watching it. You're sitting at the edge of your bed, your couch, wherever you're at and you're like, God damn it. What does this guy saying? I want to know, and then he goes see that I don't have to say anything to get your attention and I lost my ship. That was the coolest thing ever. It was so cool. Just the idea, even the creativity and to be able to draw you in just by just by being himself just by being present in the moment was absolutely insane. One of my favorite promos Jake ever did. It was a segment, whatever it was. It was pallbearer when he was managing the undertaker and Jake was out there and I guess he had done something to trap undertaker's hand inside the casket. So he couldn't defend Paul Baran any DDT pallbearer right there on the floor, and it gets up and he just deadpanned goes. Short, ride bad landing. And I was leading. Spot. Short ride it as a real real bad landing, but but Jake presence about him as far as a little bit of this, I know you're just being MJ f and to Mike roud, which I love and ignore. They've been with me for damn near six years. Five years, however, long I've been doing this, you don't think very much of them, obviously. But you're overweight, not too many people, and I'm going to tell you this straight up max coming here and just overwhelming. But I mean, you came in here with it. Bad s what shirt is that fabric is at very expensive. It's actually one hundred percent silk, but again, I don't. I don't wanna turn your viewers off. I don't want them to feel jealousy. I just want them to be able to listen to the smooth, smooth sound of my voice and just enjoy this podcast. How do the show with the working man and a workman appreciates guy? Your stature coming on a podcast like us every now and they have -solutely had us talking about promos for a second. Were you always. Gift of gab talkie guy in school. Where were you a class? Clown are. I mean, because I've seen you, you can be somewhat arrogant someone abrasive. Are you like at twenty four, seven or tell me Tim, you don't seem to be afraid of a microphone. No, I do. Okay. With them, your best stuff is done post-match. Sure. I appreciate that my whole entire schooling experience. I was very popular. I was able to roam in a lot of different circles. I was all statement. A linebacker was also all state ten or one inquire Kenner to my policies. I wasn't a cappella group on lacrosse team. I was on the mat wrestling team, but while I was amazing and all those extra I'm about to learn. Yeah, there you go. Now you can tell right now. School in me didn't really get along. I have a terrible attention deficit disorder. It's really bad, but for some reason with wrestling was always able to grab my attention. But when I was in a class and some hoity toity annoying person that thinks they know better than me when they don't and they're talking about pem dos and seventy eight times the square root of I don't care how you gonna draw me in. You're not. I don't care what you're about what you're talking about. Because what you're talking about is nothing to do with what I'm interested in, which happens a lot, unfortunately. So school in me, we didn't really click almost ever, but luckily and this is also true because. Because of my accolades in on the grid on your people would take tests for me. People would do my homework and I would thank them very kindly and an sometimes people would get paid. Sometimes they wouldn't have to get paid. Sometimes we will get paid and someone else, if you know what I mean, particularly the girls school was not fun inside the classroom, but school was a hell of a good time outside of the classroom. But you were talking to guy you a popular gal. Oh, yeah. Always always always, always always was the class. Clown. Always was a funny guy. Always was the athlete always was very easy to get get along with. Always very handsome, always, very humble. You know, all the stuff that you would envision me doing in high school. I did, and I did it very well. One of the things I think is one of your biggest dream says, how home would you are my God? Yeah, sitter Najib USA, talented, you possess and even the potential juror unrealized potential that you have yet to acquire, but you can just see it's gonna Sarah for the kit, right? The fact that you're able to keep together and just be who you are as I find that amazing, Steve, I get stopped on the street all the time and people go, you must be a martyr. You are just so incredibly nice. So incredibly humble, just I can't believe it and I go, listen, stomaching. I contact with me and I walk away, but I appreciate it. I really do appreciate it and but but they can understand it and they don't deserve the day from you. John. I know that you know that sometimes it takes people click on segue. Time, Mona room life on the road. God Dane. I had of Essen blast. You've been in the business three years. You very well known. You're very successful. You're very busy. Sometimes guys get in trouble on the road idle times, devil's workshop, a lot of people say, hell a line. What do you do when you're on the road traveling to and from gigs, man, I'm a good boy. All right. I don't do drugs. I really go out. I honestly keep to myself often. I keep my circle small. I don't really get in trouble on the road. I have. I have one story where it was a very scary moment that I can tell if you'd like, I love to hear, but is short. It is the only bad road story I have. I was at house of hardcore for Tommy dreamer. Love dream up. Good guy, great guy, good eye for talent. It's why books me I'm at the show right, and I get there and we are in upstate New York in God, bumble crap, hundred pop people, population. People have less brain cells than the teeth. It's bad. It's real. It's real vanity. And I don't know where there's was a huge biker gay and they're just hanging around some of them like in the locker and some of them their outta locker room. I go up, I go, hey, Tommy what's going on? Why are these guys here? All? They're just they're cool. They're chilled or just doing security, I go. Okay. The night proceeds, I haven't amazing match. Obviously, I was in a three way was me out Reynolds and have match phenomenal. The crowds losing it. Obviously, they're all chanting. Losing they're losing their lose. I think the whole town came. I don't know what happened, but they were losing it all chanting, my name, I get to the backward done. We all go to this little bar and I went out just because it was the respectful thing to do. There are a lot of Greek guys. There. And it was guys likes me pepper parks, Alex Reynolds. Trying to think who else was there? The spirit squad was there Mike, Mike, Mondo, and Kenny. And then Robbie now, Robbie buddied up with one of the guys in the biker gang and they were really getting along. They're having a great time. And I was like, I guess these buyers not so bad. You know, we go back to the hotel. It's me and all these guys roll shooting. The ship were all hanging out. Now nowhere Robbie goes, you know what? Let's go to. Let's go to the biker gangs clubhouse and I guess I'm the only person who saying I go. I don't think that's a good idea at all. I'm not trying to die and everyone else in the room because they're all crazy professional wrestlers go. Yeah, it was cool. It sounds like a great idea. Why is Lee the two other guys knew it wasn't a smart idea, pepper parks and Alex Reynolds, they tiptoed out of the room just as I was about to tip tiptoe out of the room. One half of the spirit squad Kenny Dykstra. He looks at me. He goes, hey, kid where you're going well, you know, it's been a long night. I think I'm just gonna hit the hay. Through the keys at me, you're driving great. We drive to this secluded area at this biker clubhouse we pull up. I'm not gonna lie to you, Steve, as you can see, I'm very jacked. I'm a very large individual, but a biker gangs. A biker gang. Okay. We strength in numbers. Oh yeah. I mean, I could probably beat up most of them not all we opened the door and regretted by two gigantic is huge scraggly beards, and they're patent us all down. I'm having a panic attack and then they stop and they go. The wrestlers are here, give us big hugs, bring us up stairs. We're having a good time. We haven't plas were drinking. We're talking. We're having a great time me and William on the side of the room, and we're talking to the Barkeep of the clubs shooting the shit. And honestly, I'm starting to calm down. I'm like, fine. And then I looked over to my left, and there is a gigantic Nazi symbol at that point. I cover my right arm because there is a star of David on it, and I just pretend you know, you know what just happened. My arms crossed got to look tough, and I realize it takes me a couple of seconds to absorb all the information that's going on I go. They might not know that I'm Jewish, but they definitely know. Willie Mack is is black. I'd imagine they'd know. And so now I'm freaking out and I start Gavin, Willie. Lily. I'm Jerry Lawler in. I'm trying to talk through my teeth and Willie turns around, what do you awful? Like stop, stop touching me? What do you want? And. Over there. The old head, nod, China, try to point out to the willies like man, leave me alone. I'm having fun, and I was like, oh, great, awesome. And then best part corner of my right eye. A large individual walks right behind Willie MAC points at the bar, keep and mouths. What the f. is he doing here? Now, there's poop dripping down my leg. I'm having a full blown panic attack. This is it. This is the end and the bark it looks at him and goes, don't worry about it. Like gives them the. I don't know. It's cool. It's cool. Don't worry about it at this point. I get up from my chair. I excuse myself from the conversation with the Barkeep. I walked straight up to Kenny Dykstra. Kenny had a great time, but thanks for making me come out here. Maybe we should go back to motel man, stop being such a party pooper what are you talking about? MJ we're gonna, chill right ear. Keti we should go right now. Mike Mondo then does Yam pretty tired. Let's go to the hotel. My inner monologue. Thank God. We start leaving. We get into the car. I turn the car on. We're out of here. One of the fine nights Nazi pikers knocks on my window more ship dribbles down my leg. I roll the window down and he grabs my leg and gets very close to me and goes drive safe, don't text and drive the last time somebody did that. They got pulled over by a cop and they've found our warehouse and we had to change locations. You got it man, absolutely love you buddy. You're the best start the car up. Get the hell out of there get to the hotel, kick the door in fall to the ground. Kissing the ground. Thank God. It look over to my right willy willies doing the same thing. I go willy. What's wrong with it goes manager. See that Nazi simple. With my knife to give him to with, you're just not selling. He was trying to stay cool man, which by the way, not something to Jewish kid from long island's very doing. I've never been in that situation before, so, yeah, Williams playing it. Cool. I've never get. I got in a restaurant business. I was traveling up and down the road because you know gadget travel, somebody in US w. a. and we you'll heels and baby-faced travel separately. And for some reason, Chris champion to me, started traveling together, and Chris was really cool. And right before I stopped working on a freight doc, I was doing manual labor, you know, load and trucks driving a forklift stuff. You know, you would never stoop so loaded. Absolutely not. Me and so I I've got this brand new, nine thousand nine hundred eight high end excel base model silver, four speed up a little bit of a sound system at now, and I'm gonna some heavy metal and we're road in between towns. I don't know what was going to and from Memphis Louisville wherever we was that was on a road, Chris over a role in a big ass fat joint. Man could dude. I got the business pro wrestling. I'm a straight up athlete, scholarship guy. You know, I was in the national side in high school for I got kicked out. And then I took my Atlantic semi train in very, very seriously. And at this in my life, I wasn't a big partyer. I would drink some whisky now, but I'm still kind of on that straighten narrow path. All of a sudden you get into the business and you're exposed to all these different things, right? So as much money as you were exposed to coming up as a Freedman, all of a sudden you get this other world and you're exposed to different things as a professional wrestler rolling down the road man. And I'm just an eye man, I'm jamming pretty hard. I don't know what I've got on, but some pretty heavy shit. And finally, you know, Chris about the lineup, he reaches over and turns my stereo down in, we'd been at the gym at day and about this time, you know, man, I'm doing three fifteen reps of twenty four shoot. And because I was doing, I was I was fresh. I hadn't. I wouldn't beaten up yet. Wasn't dead dog tired. I wouldn't rode hard and put up with. I was yet to be. So anyway, I'm jacking all these weights in the gym. I'm not having any flames or anything like that because I'm in a relationship and I'm not doing any party south because I'm on the straight and narrow, and he goes, he likes it that you, he goes, broke, you want some. I said, no, man, I said, I said, I don't smoke. Keep smoking his joining us about three puffs, and I turn a music back up. He said he reaches across turns music back down. He goes, yohe's, train Lincoln. I said, yeah, can train heavy. You don't. Wanna can and try to get a good workout. And it goes. You mess with integrated 's said no man. I'm engaged turn a music backup, wrote a few more miles. It turns music back now that he goes, he goes brother and it was almost like Nostradamus. And this is this right before the money was really the shifts. I was just happy to be on on the team traveled from town to town being a pro wrestler living. My dream wasn't working on top. I was I was jerking the curtain every single night, but I was soaking up all information having a blast. And he issues these prophetic words to me goes when he goes brother. I didn't know that back. Then everybody call each other brother. Right? So he goes brother in a year. He goes, you're going to be smoking dope. You ain't gonna be lifting heavyweights and you'll be divorced. I said, man, here we go. As I turned him back up. Sure. Enough year later, I was naked. I was training with about two twenty five and I had my first divorce onto my belly. So I've stories into the business, but you stay on the straighten out. Do you drink any alcohol at all? I drink sometimes, but predominantly just red wine. I don't like to mess around with bureau that much. I'm not a big fan of gluten, but love red wine Janci. Where where are you at right now with respect to how busy you are because it seemed like you're a little place. I'm seeing a lot of the stuff that are watching on YouTube. Obviously, there are cameras rolling. I know you're the w middleweight champ and that's going to be a very, you've got to be very proud of that. Oh, absolutely. I'm very proud of that. I am the emerald w world middleweight champion of very deservedly. So right now I'm also the CW world champion. I am the inspire pro. I believe they call it the prestige title, which is also their world championship, which that's another promotion out in Texas. If you're if you have any interests with that, which one is that inspire? It's an agenda. Show us working. The circus show that was rather Lille rush. Yes. That was Russell circus right now they're taking our hiatus and the biggest promotion right now out there in Texas inspire. So a big shout out to them. But yeah, I mean, I'm working pretty much nearly every single top tier promotion, and I have worked almost every single talk to your promotion on the independent level up to this point, whether it be in Canada, the US and the UK. So it's been great places like AA w. w beyond limitless. I mean, the list is big. Obviously, I love going back to my my school, create a pro. What do you do when you go back to school? You just like to be in the ring, mess around with you guys. Yeah, I definitely like it. It's cool. It's cool to go back to your your roots right now. I'm living in figgy believe this is ridiculous. I'm living in Indiana right now. How did that happen? Bro? Beats me, but I will tell you this. I am in a gigantic house and it is not exactly a expensive, but I will also say I like my privacy and when I lived in New York, I had zero privacy. So I'm I honestly do like the idea that during half of my week on out around going all over the goddamn place. And then when I come to my nice big, beautiful gorgeous home with my huge king sized bed, and I just get to chill and watch Netflix and not have to talk to any more poor people. It's a good time. I don't leave the house though because I'm afraid to see what those. Indiana people look like, I have no interest in doing that. But when I do get to go home to New York, I do like to visit create a pro. I do like to see who the new students are, how they're progressing, how the schools progressing. So we're the bulk of your independent Daesh in the northeast, has it Ohio the the New York jersey area? It's all over the goddamn please. What are you doing here in LA right now out here I had a two shows Wednesday and Thursday at bar wrestling. Could you work with. Do you know rocky Romero? Yes, yes. Me and hitting me and him at a very fun match. That was great tonight. I'm gonna be working Jeff Cobb at bar wrestling, and then I'm going to be flying out to New York for create a pro. And then from there I'm going to be flying out to Rhode Island for beyond wrestling, and then I go back and Moniz big, beautiful house. So the undo know that you're going to be defending your w middleweight title, October fourth and New York City for m. l. w. and that is an amount w TV taping, and you can get your tickets at m l. w. tickets dot com. And that's the bottom line. I m l. w. I love it. I mean the the learning tree there is in safe. Yeah, because you're you're talking with court, who's got a, you know he's from the Gary Hart? Yeah, coaching tree if we were going to be talking football actions. So obviously I think his television vision is kind of born from a lot of things, but obviously huge WWE experience as a former writer, there. So is there any difference in working with that organization versus like some of the like the Leo rush matchups all you work? Sammy Callahan match us all you work. I mean, what? What? What do people as an in as an independent wrestler? What are these different people telling you as far as how they want their TV produced and how that pertains to how you're working? I mean, these people normally lead me to my own devices, but I will say with Emily, w it's more hands on because this is a TV product so I need to. I can't be going in there twenty five minutes doing whatever the hell I want. You know, you have to have your times. You have your times and they give you direct directions of what they want to see. And who am I to argue with guys like Bruce Prichard guys? I don't know if you remember him Alex. Greenfield, he was in the writer's team WWE. Rob was another guy who on the writers team with WWE. I love him. I mean everyone there is just an absolute insane wealth of. Knowledge. And when me and Bruce aren't bullying bullying each other. Sometimes they'll tell me some really cool stories and it's great to pick his brain man. Yeah, but that's the thing that's back involved thing. It's like nothing that he's always, hey, you got to do this. It's it's, it's a process. It's communication and thing. I've talked about this with court. One of the things I love about Bruce when he's worked with me and my segments man is like eight afraid to go out there, you know, and you can't be afraid to push envelope or go out on a limb. And that's one of the things that is far as the creative wills, Bruce Prichard, you know, I mean, it can be overbearing. Bruce, I mean, and I and I love this gimmick when he was brother loved, I was riding down the road, but Dr Tom in Tennessee, and I didn't know that they were brothers. You didn't know how would I don't look the same, especially with painted up red share, Tom was Danner US w we were struggling to pay our hotel Bill and Bruce in New York band brother, love. I didn't know he's on the writing process are part of the writing team, and they all we all grew up on the same shit, Houston wrestling from Sam, Houston, calcium, Paul box promotion, and Tom looks at me one time and he goes, what do you think about brother love? And this is right when it kind of started ethin- what brother Levin started kind of jacket him a little bit in the kind of tone him down. And I said, no dude us. He's a love that guy, but then they kind of just started watering him down a little bit and it was a shoot. That's what they had done, and but then he goes, that's my brother. I said, oh, you're kidding me as, but at least I gave him my honest opinion, but Bruce me were together out there before the end man right there in two thousand three. The rock and nineteen, and that was going to be my last match in Seattle and hardly anybody knew that. But man, nervous system was shot as all all the things we're kind of happening at that time, and Bruce was a guy that really helped me backstage as far as those creative segments trying to, you know, keep keep the machine Rowland and working with stuff. So yeah, he's got about side deals with. I like mess around with old man, Bruce, good dude. Hey man. When you are riding down the road with the person of your caliber, I mean, will you just ride with anybody? I mean, because a lot of times back in our days in the territory days we're running together because ain't nobody making no money or if you're making money, it's a big, ask party then when you get to the big show in New York. I mean, that's when you start traveling by yourself because you can afford it and you won't the privacy and you won't to downtown. But when we ride together man in Tennessee and Lanna, whatever. What Rodman Harley, race, Leon, Bronco, Lubich Skandar Akbar me and they're dropping knowledge on me. But if if it's the boys we're booking territory, I mean who. Zone top who should get the belt all this guys. It's just it's all in fun, but it's part of a shoot too. So you traveling. I mean, I'm working at a lot of flights, so because NBC is a little bit different. You can't just all congregate, you can get there. But the earlier stages of my career, which is funny because I've only been doing this three years, but I loved those long drives because that's when I would get to pick the veterans brains. That's when I would get to ask questions and learn and soak in knowledge when I was on these long car rides with guys that I mentioned earlier, like Alex Reynolds, Johnny silver, VS k. James, I pick his brain early, aren't don't belie- said how I ended up going to show a year to go. Good dude. Yeah, got a better run over here. Yeah, good. Do good worker. Yes. I lo- both. Hello. Oh yeah. In got being before you keep going there, Gregory iron told me to tell you you're a bitch when you see him. So from Gregory iron, he says, you're a bitch. The thing is he got to say that because he, he can't slap me because of the whole thing going on with damn. I'm just, I'm just going sees it. I been Greg, Ryan commedia day. It'd get kid another guy not pick on his. Oh yeah, I love Gregory eaves on the show and we have so much fun talking over here and we shut the microphones and kept talking and he's supposed to come back on the show when it gets back to LA any leaves Mme three minutes scathing promo on my damn voice message. I think you little son of a bit. I got a bone to pick with you. Gregory, I call him Gregory irons. He says, Stevens Gregory iron now, motherfucker. I want it to be. Yes. Yeah. We'll talk about that when you come back to three seventeen gimmick street and opened up a can of whoop, Tony little chump ass because he took the window and he took a stairs and you'd probably throw them off. You want any ways like what a buck. Oh, five and max logistic through through the window that went to assist been replaced. Obviously because his brand new material. Okay. Through that son of a bitch, my wife had just windex to wholesome bit. So yeah, Gregory up Gregory halo you. Sorry, bastard. Come back on the podcast. It was back to what is your ultimate goal? Because I've heard you say on promos and I can imagine this shoot that you want to be the greatest professional wrestling that ever lived. Absolutely. I want to be remembered as the guy that everyone would go home after they went to show or they'd be in bed after watching me on TV, and they lay their head on the pillow and only think theirself is God dammit. I hate piece shit. That's all I want. I don't want anything more than that. I want anything less than that. I want to be remembered as as someone who was God damn, really good at making people mad real mad. You know why? Because I love making people mad. It is my favorite pastime and also back to the guys who like really took the time and mentoring me like Hawkins, Pat us Sammy Callahan. He took a lot of time with me. I just want to be able to take all these dudes who invested time and effort into me and give it back tenfold just by being the God damn best. And right now it's going pretty good. It's going, it's going. I don't wanna say it's going better than I thought it would because come on, but it's going good. It's going good. I would be remiss to ask if WWE was on the radar, are. You'd like to end up there is there is absolutely the ultimate goal right now at the age of twenty two. I'm making a living off of this and I'm I'm, I'm building not only just might brand, but I'm also building my stealth bell to bell. I'm building myself when that red lights on and I want to keep doing it. I wanna make sure that when I go there, it is the best version which is hard to believe that it's going to get better, but it is. It's the best version of MJ of possible. So right now I'm going to keep doing these top tier Indies. I'm and I'm going to keep making my rounds and keep doing these loops. And yet the end goal, the ultimate goal is to work there, but I still, I want to see these other places. I, I want to check out the ARA wages, the impacts the new Japan's the PWG's. I want to be able to say, I've done it all because I look up to guys like Jericho and Eddie and then law like I want to be able to say, I did it all before I went to my dream job. Job because I want to be able to be the most polished guy possible. So when I do come in, I'm not coming in knock and I'm coming in breaking the goddamn door down and Lynn, everybody know who the hell Maxwell Jacob Friedman is, you know, it's an industry store because you know when Randy macho man savage went to WWF, you know, he'd been around on a damn territories yet quite some time and he yours had to gimmick. But when also Vince got his hand, John warriors dude, first of all, he had to premier gimmick premier promo premiere work of sudden, I'll Vince cow dude strap the rocket on his back and they were making money, easy and savage was huge. So my yeah, he came and by the time he got there, he was ready when you say or as close as you're in the independent seen recently, the all those guys sold out all in. I guess it was in Chicago. Were you there? Yeah, it was the opening the opening match for the review. It was me versus Matt cross. What? Oh, dude, man yet. So talented, he was on. Enough when I was there and he didn't show us yet. Moment I got to ask what happened there because that is a guy that I feel they missed the boat on. I mean, freak athlete, oh, do frequently. But like you said, you know, he was waiting on his moment and Trish kind of semantic any was he wasn't showing out at the level that he that he could have should have. And we've remained friends because I really like Matt and I love the work that he's doing underground, and I'm glad that he went there and I'm glad to release went there. I'm glad Marcus house went there. I'm glad I wanted everybody to be successful there and it's like I told those kids, but we're doing tough enough. I mean, because that show was it was damn near shoot. I didn't have no script. They didn't have no just written. Here's what we're doing. I would walk up to Eric band wagon. And what we're doing because well, Steve, you're gonna go out there and they're trying to do this and then you just go do your think. So I would go do my thing. And then when it came for an elimination, you know it was the elimination, but you know, Matt was just like you said it was waiting for his moment and maybe from the veteran side of him, he was being respectful when he should have just really put out. But man, I'm so proud of that guy had happy for him. That is all the all the success and the business that he's been over to to get into. So how was that? Because that Edmund exciting, because I was never any end e same because I was the last of house one of the last territory guys. So that had to be exciting for a bunch of gas to come together and to sell out venue the the bottom line is Cody Rhodes. He changed my life legitimately because we're a lot of people on the independent scene aware of my work. Absolutely. We're a lot of people fans my work. Absolutely. But all in was a completely different stage to level. We'll talking about everyone who's anyone in our industry is watching that and they're. Watching it intensely. The fact that I got to make history and be the opening matches insane. The fact that the young bucks and Cody Rhodes gave me that opportunities sane, and I'm honestly forever indebted to those three guys. You know, Cody Cody just he even said he saw a little bit of himself a younger age and me which means a lot because that's another guy who was stuff. Watch all the time. And look up to, and the fact that he gave me that opportunity. I knew I was ready and I proved I was ready, but I didn't know that somebody would go out of their way to do it and he did, and he might not be. I might not be one of his best friends, but he's one of my best friends whether he likes it or not, like it meant the world to me, it really did. And it was one of the really was. It was the best night of my life because what we do is so DIY and we're building our own brand. We don't have this big machine behind us in the fact that when my music hit eleven thousand plus people noodle, boo they do, they do. It was up and I was ready to make them boo. Even harder was a crazy moment for me. How was it energy that crowd from start to finish? I heard it's pretty insane. It was nuts, man. It was any great been under crowd, like, oh God, yeah, because a small buildings sometimes as long as there's people in them can be so intimate. So fun because of the atmosphere. I remember and I'm sure maybe you've not been in these same situations while you have been a couple of national guards. But hell we'd Russell at the damn Chevrolet dealership there in Dallas, Texas men that'd be taking suplexes on a parking lot. And other good man. I'm looking kinder- Katie store, hey, I'm a pro wrestler. I'm a pro wrestler, but I'm also thinking shit. This ain't what I saw on TV. Sure, you know. So when you get those hot crowds, it's just magic and when you're going out there and they're buying everything you're doing as good day at the office, and I don't, I really genuinely and based off the people I've got to talk to you when I went to the back, which was cool. DDP was there and he grabbed me and he was like goddamn kids. That was a great moment. Tully, Blanchard who I've watched matches till my eyes have bled said he enjoyed it, and it was. It was just a really cool moment because I deep down, I knew it was good. But obviously as performers, we look up to these people and we want the validation, we wanna know what they thought and I got it over tenfold. And the best moment for me hands down was when I got a text from Cody and he just wrote point, blank period, you delivered period. And I was after that, I was like, hell, yeah, man. And he went on the JR. Podcast, and he said it, there's an all into an Jeff's available and he's he's not in New York. Well, we'll take them so, and that's cool because that means that the young bucks are obviously cool to to and they didn't have much interaction with them. But right before I went out there, they were so cool man, Matt, Nick, walked up to me. They were like, go out there killing and I was like, I got you look up ready to go man. And I was you brought up those night names and no man. When Cody left Debbie Debbie. I was like, man, I understood why was leaving. I can understand the frustration believe in there. You know, I think it's why was employed there too at the same time. So you know, it's a double paycheck, but you know many, he's not. He's not happy with the direction. Things go going. He's disgruntled. He knows that he can do better. So he says, you know, I'm going to go move myself and he has a man ten watching and stay in touch with him. And I saw him Alvin Long Beach a year ago, and they came out here and work, and he worked with whoever it was. Japanese guy was chain Okada, maybe. Anyway, so he is really done well on on that scene. My question to you with as much of a character as you are, and I love your work. Could you fit in Japan style? I think so. I think new Japan right now could use a guy like me. I feel like I'd be different and I feel like different makes money. Unique makes money. If everybody is wrestling, acting, cutting promos, the same exact style, no one's standing out. Not to say that that's the case. I mean, new Japan has by far one of the best locker rooms. I think point period, I feel nutrient locker rooms. It's absolutely insane, but I feel I would be able to bring something different if I went over there just like I feel I'd be able to bring something different if I went anywhere. And here's the thing about Japan. When I went over there for the first time in w w you know, like we went out there and of the crew that was over it was myself aren't Anderson Ron Simmons day Malingco Eddie Guerrero Crispin wa. There's guys that I'm I'm leaving off. Oh, damn big due to forget his name. Nord dude, arm rush and get Scott Norton shirts, got northern Missouri anyway, upset and you go out there and you watch the Milenko and been law or been wa- Guerrero or whatever, either one of those three and then you've gotta follow that. It's like, because I'd been in the business at that point, three years give or take, oh, still pretty good mechanically, but all of a sudden you're, you're like once and all this and because I really wouldn't have cared. I was like, okay, I'm a worker. I'm not mechanic. I'm aggressive. But then when you watch those guys is policies, they were, you thinking, well, how do you follow that? He and my answer to because I learned by trauma, inexperienced, you just follow it, but you do your own shit because if you're going to try to do Guerrero Shipman wash it or Malingco shit, and that's not what you do. That's not in your wheelhouse. Those guys ability blew me on the water. One of my wheelhouse, you gotta go. I got to be going to be out there. Be aggressive. I gotta do my yet. So, yeah, as long as you. Do you you'll stand out, but yeah. Why would you all of a sudden turn into the wurley gig? Yeah, but in it it at when that is not who you are between yourself and yeah, you'll be mostly not. Can I do all that stuff? Absolutely. Do I break it out sometimes? Absolutely. But on myself at the end of the day, and I just Don myself up big time and I feel like that's where I can fit in any locker room. And if really we're talking about those three guys, we're talking about Cody, Matt and Nick. I feel like whatever they decide to do next. If you are capable of following them, if you are capable of trying to reach what they're doing, you'd be an idiot. You'd be a fool to turn the other cheek and go the other way I feel and they're starting. They're starting to revolution. They really are. It's crazy wrestling in two thousand eighteen right now. It almost seems limitless. And before we sign off, I want to be able to drop your social media information. So people can find you follow you and be involved with m j f lifestyle. Absolutely. If you wanna. A follow somebody who's absolutely better than you and maybe can take some tips. You can follow me on Twitter and Instagram at the underscore m j f. Well, on that note, man, it was good talking with you and good meeting you of enjoyed watching you work three years in the business hell of a future ahead of you. It was good to meet you look Steve. I wish I could say the same thing. Okay. But this house is brutal. I mean, what does this like one step up from a trailer park and also buddy. Well, I kind of respect what you've done this industry. Let's let's get straight here. I don't need you to give me notes. Okay. I think you and I both know that a better than you limited. We could you dare because you couldn't lace my boots. You're lucky to be in the same damn room with me, much less for you and me got named squared circle so you couldn't lace my boots. Now in fifteen years, it'd be lace my boots and we'll see where you're fifteen years. If you can cover half of what I did in molest career, you know, polish shit. What you just say. To me. I said, I'm going to be like most of y'all kaslow, but you're right now you're starting to wear. On me, you can take the window. You could take a stairs, but you need to go see you make a move old man. How about that? Now you call me. Oh. Spratt bend into bits of three years on a stone cold, Steve Austin, and his own crip. Well, you do about it. I think it's a good time for you to leave before I do something about it buddy. First of all, if you touch me, I will slap a lawsuit on you so soon. Buddy step down. No, no, no. See, I'm not old school. Okay, pal. I'm new school. I'm the future. So if you think for one second, you're gonna tell me when where or how I'm gonna leave this place. You had your goddamn mind. Okay. Cue ball. I'm staying right now. Yeah, I'm staying right here. I'm going to count it down three. I'm going to give you three. Oh, really? Oh, really? Stephen. Okay. Three to one. How's that? What are the faith. Cheer. Sure. Bullshit. So pitch from wardrobe, by s. Do you come back on the scene most Joe memorial disrespectful polish yet I give us some this hour twenty five minutes in my lifetime global. I account an no treasure on Steve Austin, show a platform, elevated yourself and throw one or face. 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I'm Rapa his podcast ride off into the sunset, but before I can ride off into the sunset, I gotta clean up the mess at Maxwell Jacob. Friedman sometimes known as m j f up here at three seventeen gimmick street. That's sorry. I will watch language because this is a family friendly show. I realized when I left the podcast, I was a little heated. Probably my producer Sean had to believe some things out. I'll tell you what Maxwell Jacob Friedman is a very talented professional wrestler. Only three years in business is operating at a very high level, but he has a long long way to go with respect to high. You treat a global icon and a national treasure. I do not know if I will ever have m j f on the podcast or again or not. And a depends on if he ever has the guts to come back to my territory. That's the Los Angeles territory. And that's the bottom line. I know he's doing a lot of business out here. But when you come to these city limits, if you lost you l. a. privileges. Just like Pulp Fiction, when Marcellus Wallace was talking to Bruce Willis character allows you l. a. privileges MJ f you cross a line, you went too far. You little air Ghent. I'm going to stop right there because I'm not going to demean you. Anybody that wants to book as young man. He is a heat seeking missile any as a ton of heat with me. And that's the bottom line. Although I got doused with water, it was a pleasure talking to one of the bright stars on the independent scene, and that's all I have to say about that. Nothing but the best to you, save travels and full houses. That's the bottom line, hey, man, I've been made update my pro wrestling tease dot com. Slash Steve Austin land broke. His go ranch stuff was from Nevada designs and have failed to do. So I'm on the case. All that stuff that's on there now is little bit old and we're trying to date the designs anyway. 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On A Brand New Season

Fox and Faust | LA Kings

1:13:56 hr | 3 months ago

On A Brand New Season

"You're listening to an la kings podcast for more episodes of this and every other kings program visit l. a. kings dot com slash. Podcast carries it ahead to velocity burke. Slide were often running supposedly. Hi jim morning Well you know what it's not as if like we're reuniting after However many months. It's been because i've kind of seen you a whole bunch this summer like Like a mini bubble like. I don't see other people. I just see you and suzie yes we have. It's been a little while. Well i saw the other day when we're microlight visit not even outside. This was the tupperware. It was the tupperware from the leftovers from dinner. That was the most important part of the drop off. Because i know you guys you know the amazing cooking the susie does need to have enough tupperware so that your hunger can be satisfied after each large meal not mentioning of course is my inability to remember to give you back tupperware to give to carolyn for some outstanding food that she dropped off here and if i was aware and in the moment i would've exchange tupperware with you but no i just took to not give. Maybe we should just have a tupperware party. We should just do a tupperware party. Where as we take this first of all welcome back to the fox and the podcast. I guess we're we're starting season two and like anything else that has to do with the current state of the pandemic world that we live in. We're wondering you know kind of what's going to happen. And we're a couple of days away from the season and training camps going. We've not been there because like anything else right now. We try to keep gatherings to a minimum and so practices training camp and whatnot is been underway for the la kings and by all accounts. It's it's been a good training camp. All the things that i hear from coaches and players in front office is this is essentially going to the you know the plan that they set forth for the season we will talk about all that stuff but i just wanna lay out here what we want to go over on this season opening show. Because it's been a little while. Since i guess we last talked to you. These stanley cup was awarded. And we have a a reigning stanley cup. Champion coming into the season. We were wondering if we would get through a postseason in a bubble. Were now wondering if we can get through a regular season without a bubble. So we'll do all of that and then we'll look forward to the season itself what we're excited about New division alignment new schedule structure new format for how the games will be spaced out all of that to come but i wanna start from the beginning which was where we last less left you in. I think it was late. May early june. And we were right on the cusp of of training camps reopening for the stanley cup playoffs. And i remember as we were talking about this jim. You know we were going through in a couple months without hockey of the scenarios and okay how are they going to structure. What are they gonna do. They gonna add teams so we had our twenty four team tournament. We have a stanley cup champion. And i think both of us agreed as we were watching these games over the summer and calling some of them that the playoffs produced a worthy champion. And that was. I think a legitimate concern is like are. We going to get a fluky winner. No we got the team that most people beginning of the year felt would win the stanley cup in the tampa bay lightning and i think that many people in early agreement that you know there was discussions of an asterisk and things of that sort because of the circumstances but i think once everyone got together and thought about things they realized how difficult it probably was to win the past stanley cup even compared to go years and years back just so many different elements that were unknowns. At the same time the focus that was needed was probably brought up a few notches and at the end of all things. I think that you know the dallas stars and the tampa bay. Lightning earned the respect of a lot of people because they were able to focus on the task at hand and get it done and There were a lot of other things they had to think about but they were thinking about the on ice. The fans were missed especially in the playoffs. I mean goes without saying because anyone who's been to an nhl playoff game just knows the excitement and the atmosphere having said that the intensity and speed an execution of those games very impressive i wasn't i was impressed by how the quality didn't drop off one bit. I think the lesson learned was the qualification round turned into a glorified exhibition for the teams that had already qualified for the playoffs in terms of the quality of play throughout the postseason we did. We did some games in the opening rounds and then we did most of the western conference final and as we were calling the game we had the fake crowd noise pumped into our ears. And i'm assuming that's going to be the case coming into this season to a lesser degree. I instantly. I lost track of the fact for a few moments at a time that we're doing this without fans. Yeah we're calling it off a modern culver city and there's all resolve that but i could escape into the sport and that's i think the fundamental reason why we're playing this year beyond the business ramifications like you can escape into sports without fans. It sucks because the fans are why we you know why we all love it we all. We all went to a game right. That inspired us to be fans but we can still appreciate the sport even when it's played in an empty arena and i. I was really impressed by that. Have two guys running each other and full speed. And i think just creates an intensity unto itself and what's at stake the championship of the best league in the world. Competition is something that is something that you don't necessarily guess she can learn how to get better at it but it's something that i think that's just inside of everyone much. Draw pat buck. The competition value is there. The one thing that stands out for me. And i'm going to bring into this year as we look forward to the season. Starting the one thing i learned was how committed the players to the game because they had reasons to make excuses but how many skilled people work at the nhl and the nhlpa because the details planning that were necessary to get it done. I mean they prove that the game is bigger than the individuals on both sides. It's bigger than the business side. It's bigger than the hockey side. Everything comes together to get it done and how they could still play that game at such an extremely high level they were able to get it done and i think the nhl and the way the organized it and the nhlpa and the reason. I'm bringing it forward. Because i was able to go on the nhl a media site and read the document regarding the protocols to play this season. And there's gonna be some hiccups. There have already been some look to that probably in a few minutes but if you want to read an impressive document something that shows you. That people did the research they talked to the people that are on top of things the medical experts and again. It's because of the situation that's going on. We know it's not all going to be perfect. That will never be the case. But i can't think of anything after reading that document that someone left out and forgot about and didn't think about i mean they. They were under every rock to find the best way to get things going here. You know it's funny to me. How in normal circumstances when gary bettman comes out to award the stanley cup to the captain and the winning team. He's booed by fans. Maybe it's just a tradition that commissioner a sports league gets booed. Gary bettman was inducted into the hall of fame before this. And i'm not the first person to try to heap. Praise on somebody especially if it's not deserved but let me tell you that what bettman and what everybody at the league. Npa they both you know deserve a ton of credit but batman especially to say. We're going to do this and we're going to make it look good and we're going to you know the action is going to be good. We're going to have a worthy champion. And now we're going to play another season and he was adamant because there were owners their owners coming into this year. That be clear. We're not exactly keen on losing money. Because they're going to lose money this year. Everybody is going to lose money. The kings irregular year lose money. We on paper like every single owner that he had to wrangle to get this done if he wasn't worthy of the hall of fame before he certainly is now and i'm impressed beyond we were sitting and we were watching these games either on television them. The nhl didn't miss a beat. You could talk about hockey and not feel bad about okay. The circumstances of that. They're playing in a bubble here but the one video that did stick out to me which you know unfortunately from the losing team I loved the idea from The dallas stars in tampa bay lightning. Maybe this goes to show the resolve the players that you're talking about it and how it is a hard trophy to win. Anton khudobin was after winning the western conference final. And he's in the locker room. He's got the the big chain around his neck as dallas had been awarding that to their top player and he looks over shoulder and talks to the guys. We're not going hough. I i loved it. I loved that. Whichever team could rally to the moment and even in normal year. That's the case whichever team rallies to the moment finds away kings that their backs were against the wall. the reverse san jose right. They found something that year goes to show that this sport this sport can endure a hell of a lot of it can get through vat environment and still make a success out of it. We got a chance to get to know mr who it opened more than we normally would have been. Great for people at the coaches talked about the the focus point more than anyone of course because they're in control of that regardless of the circumstances regardless if it's a perfect easy you know nothing cova to deal with. They're always in control of that. But you know having talked or heard from some of the players that were in the bubble. They admitted that getting out of that bubble wasn't necessarily a bad thing. That's on your mind right. How do you keep those players focused enough. That when you're in a game where the slightest of mistakes might make the difference in the game which might make the difference in the series. You've got to stay focused and and you know to a certain extent everyone was but the ability to pull those guys together and keep them together again. I i just you know. The game is bigger than the parts. And i think it showed through in the did we learn. Well i shouldn't say did we learn. I think we learned off a lot of variety of things but from a hockey perspective. What did we learn from the winning team. Or maybe how. The playoffs were were played. You know we hear every year about our team's going to try to copy the stanley cup champion for the first time. I feel like there isn't much that was unknown. Before tampa went into the season. They knew that they had a team that they had to change coming into that season. They had to get a little bit tougher. These still had to have high end skill. They still had to outscore their opponents. But i don't know what was what was your takeaway in terms of a hockey sense of is if a team is going to copy or try to do what tampa did. Do we learn anything from this champion. We learned the exact same things that the kings learn when they won the stanley cup. And that is this. If you can draft one of the top three forwards in the game you have a chance of winning kucherov if you can draft one of the top three defensemen in the game hedman. You have a chance of winning. If you can draft one of the top three goaltenders in the world vasilevskiy. You have a chance of winning and you put them all on the same team at the same time in their prime. You have a real good chance of winning so build a team. It's going to take a while. You talked about the changes. They made hugely important but they made changes without panicking and without giving up on the plan the added to as opposed to tore it down and there were people talking about tampa bay because their skill was through the roof years previous but then they realized they had to go through it. They had to go through it and learn those lessons but they took those lessons. They kept cork long enough. Where that same core group could learn from the lessons and then execute based on what they learned and tampa bay missed the playoffs in two thousand seventeen. Let's not forget that the twenty sixteen seventeen season where they had many of the same players. They missed the playoffs and in in in the years prior right. They've left in the first round collapse. Let's let's not forget this that. Yeah for as good a team. They were in the regular season. They were unable to put together a winning performance in the postseason. And the i think it's an enduring lesson that comes up every year. is that regular season. Success and postseason success are two wildly different things in the national hockey league to build a team. That's good in. The regular season is very different from building a team. That will win the stanley cup. To do both is impressive and tampa in in many respects did both but they sacrificed a little bit in the regular season. They knew they had to. They knew they couldn't run up and down with their opposition every single night. They knew that they had to play in a certain way they took heat for that. They had stumbles in the regular season. That's okay it's okay to not win your division. It's okay to not win the presidents trophy because the other trophies held a lot better at it is and they they made some of the changes during the offseason but then they made some of the changes at the trade deadline right so maroon was the biggest acquisition that they theft said okay. We've got to figure out how to be tougher sacrificing ice time to a lesser skilled player. Taking it away that ice time from higher skill players but understanding how that would work in the end. A blake coleman for instance right at the trade deadline skates well enough. But he's an edgy player. That's they brought him a boat bogosian guy who's career was basically over stayed home but mostly a tough defenceman luke. Schenn right. couldn't play on the kings so to speak everyone will say like and you can go through those types of players but it's the fit barclay goodrow golden so and players that are there nhl players but they the teams that traded them to tampa bay. Certainly were not in the same category as tampa bay. Well beyond that maybe. They had squeezed whatever they could. Get out of those players You know. I look at a guy like blake coleman like. What's he going to do on a devils team. That isn't gonna compete all right. Well let's see if we can get a return out of it barclay goodrow. What's he gonna do. Wanna san jose sharks team. That isn't gonna compete are. Let's get out of it. They got a first round pick. You know it was. You know thirty first overall with sharks. That's the thirty first best prospect in that year's draft. Maybe maybe the best example of and i hear it now and just my opinion but at the time of the trade. First rounder control. I what's it what makes it stanley cup ring. Yeah and it's still being talked about now with the kinks brayden. Schenn wayne simmons let two stanley cups. Whichever way you look at it whichever way to knock on effect yeah i mean. The kings ended up winning two stanley. Cups okay brayden. Schenn keeps going wayne's at the end of his career brain just wanna stanley cup copa. That doesn't matter to me. I would make that deal a million times in a row if you can guarantee me to stanley cups. It's done and it's done again and again and again and that's why i my next question is going to be what. What can the kings learn or take away from the playoffs. And you know even from the winning team i look at the moves over the last little while and you know under under dean lombardi they were swinging for the fences trying to hit that magic combination. And you know what they struck out. That's that's the analogy right. You know they were trying to hit. They wanted me lan lucia to be a part of a playoff run that year. You know they. They made moves that in hindsight okay. Yeah you could scratch your head but you know what if if they paid off look like geniuses right know you to take a chance in this business illegal chuck. I think we both agreed at the time. And i still believe this and i'm going to sell. I'm sure a lot of kings fans are going. Say that i sound like a fool if i had to do the ilya kovalchuk deal again. I would because at the time. The kings are coming off a first round exit in the playoffs in which they didn't score three goals in a four-game. Sweep right. what we need. We need to go score all right. Well he's a free agent who's available and we can outbid another team by tacking on an extra year to contract. Okay did it us in salary cap. Hell not really like through all the deals that have been done over the last couple of years of the kings in this rebuild trading away key pieces. They have a wealth of salary cap space even though they have to buy outs on their books. Right now with the enough and ilya kovalchuk. So i look at it like okay. You took a shot and you missed an hour down this other path. So so the question. I guess long way to get there. Do the kings learn something from the lightning winning the stanley cup in the in the manner in which they did it this past summer well i think gets back to you just talked about. And that is the patients aspect. And you have to know that it's gonna take some time. I think you have to know. The draft is important regardless of salary caps and free agency and all of those things would certainly can complimented team but the draft is extremely important. And that's the way you you build the foundation so learning or just reinforcing things you've already learned is no. I think he could put those both together. I think the kings it'll be interesting you know does skill regardless of what had tampa bay is a team that can move. That puck around. Oh my gosh and they can score you know. And that's a big. They're the top of the league story every year. And you know the the guys they added they did. They just needed that mix they. They recognize that fact the kings when they were going after a cold. The truck for instance realized they needed some offense and they just but then. It's all timing when you look back on that. It's very interesting the read of your team your own book. The internal analysis and review is extremely important and can be wrong. But that's why they made those moves. They felt that they were one trade away then and then one trade at the deadline and now back into that mix for stanley cup contender. And before i forget it. It's in my head. It's because it's come up a couple times. Recently there are moves. I believe there are moves that you can make the get you closer to the playoffs and farther from the stanley cup. Yeah yeah and certain teams need to do that. For instance one team to me. I can think of montreal. They need to get into the playoffs. They just need to just their market their history their french. They need to get back in. They hope they're not making moves. That will get them closer to the place. But further from the stanley cup detroit kick the can down the road for years. They made moves every single year because they wanted to keep the streak alive and credit to them. They did but it was. It was at the expense of a huge rebuild. That would then have to take place which we're now seeing just about every interview i've done or when i've been asked my opinion. I i always preface things by. Do you want to build a playoff team. Or do you want to build a stanley cup champion. And there's a difference there and you can do both that. You can do them separately and hopefully you do them together and there is a time where you have to you realize that this group is the group you're going for and now they need to get in now. They need to learn that. But that's where all this reminds. Me of. And i was one of the few times i had a chance to talk to jerry west when he was a lakers executive. And this is back at the forum. You know all the success. He's had but he's made some moves that weren't as successful too but he would say i'm still gonna make the same type of move next year because that's what i believe. That's my plan. That is the foundation that i believe. That's why he's hired as the gm and even though the first movie didn't work doesn't mean it's going to pull the same type of move the next time down the road because that's what he believes. Now you get to a point where it doesn't work five six seven for gm. I'm five their life. Expectancy is longer than coaches coaches. You know the shelf life is usually a little bit shorter than gm. So as gm's get a little bit longer but again that's that's back to the first question. Is what the kings learning here. It's you devise and develop your plan you stick with this is why also look at it and say to anyone looking at this year. Now you always wanna make the postseason. And he's always gold. Make the postseason gold win the stanley cup. You don't walk into this season saying we're not going to do that this year. We're we're just you know. Even even though cynical fan will will not walk into a season saying we walk in we year and we expect the team to tank no but the kings can realistically walk into the season. Saying yeah. it's our goal to make the postseason but our plan is. This is a much longer term thing like. We want to get the foundation right. We want to make sure that we are building the right habits and building a team that we expect over time will compete for a championship. But you can't walk into the season realistically and say well all our goal. This year this year specifically we have to win the stanley cup. If that were the case then none of the moves that kings made coming into the season would make any sense. I just right now right now. We're in the process of building. This thing yeah for sure. It doesn't happen overnight but just brings to mind to me the different people that make up an organization players the most important part. I don't think it's not the broadcast back to your point earlier about. Maybe the kings not making money every year at least on paper that is because they pay the play by play guy too much money that would be the reason for the inability to get back to in even ground or make money but that's a side players most important. It's it's never could talk about teams tanking. You talk about position you can never make. The sale to me at a player will agree with a long term goal. They're there for the now. They're there for right now. Let's win tank it. Why can't get so your team finishes lower so you get a better draft. Pick so that draft pick comes and takes your job next year exactly right. That's good when the team wins. Everyone benefits if it doesn't happen with the current team. It'll happen down the road it will. They will benefit. If you win. Then go to the coaches. The coaches foresight is maybe a little bit longer than a players. Coaches are still about now but they're also about developing. And how do i get my guy this year ready for next year to. I put them in a situation where i know. We're going to lose the game tonight but natural knocking on the door for the playoffs. That sentiments gonna take that face off and i don't have to worry about the match up because i have prepared him. I've worked hard. I put them in situations. Then you have the gm down the road. He's not thinking yeah he he wants to win but he's thinking about this year just thinking about the three year plan singing about the five year plan is thinking about a salary cap. You thinking about what happens when we went here and these contracts come do so. There's a whole bunch of all those categories that come into it and and that's that's of course. Who is the boss the boss. And that's why the coaches shelf. Life is a little bit shorter than the gm. The it brings me to the idea that the kings are Still maybe a little bit away from being a stanley cup contender we. We'll talk about this in a little bit. I think we've both fully believed that. The format will benefit them but they made moves in the off season. And as i look at the cat friendly page which is just as nominal to. I can't go a day without looking at it now. The los angeles kings this year have twelve million dollars in cap space. Think about twelve million dollars to play around with and that's not even looking forward looking at contracts for next year. When projected cap an eighty-one flat calf world eighty one and a half million dollars in cap. The kings will have a cap hit of fifty three million that will be one of the lowest in the league and that brings me to what they did this off season. They brought in leash anderson and a bargain basement deal to get him from the new york rangers. They traded for only mata in a bargain basement. Deal to get him from the chicago blackhawks. Neither of these moves taken just in a vacuum will win the kings the stanley cup but to your point about years prior against circumstances were different. Would shin simmons. You're bringing in a guy only model at say defensively that i look and say whoa. That takes a little bit of pressure. Off of sean walker and matt roy and mikey anderson and this younger defense. That's going to have to play together. I can eat up minutes right and leash anderson guy who hey if he pans out great if not whatever. We didn't lose very much andrea savage cheap one year contract like this. This is a team. That's that's okay. If they work out great if not it's not like it's damaging the long term goals of the franchise. That's my read on it. At least i think they're looking for pieces. And whether those are long term pieces or short-term pieces. That's something that i'm sure they're thinking about. And they made the moves based on the plan that they have but motto for me is interesting because he has to stanley cups but he's only twenty six years old as a defenseman that plays the style he plays. I give him another five years in his prime. I know the people that do the analytics will say you start deteriorating. When you're twenty two whatever it is twenty four but just his style. I think is a good fit for this team because i will can still be around in five to six years and be an impact player for his role. His role generally speaking is a support player. It's not an impact player. But when he was winning stanley cups he was. She's pretty big on the list. He was doing so. I still think he can help now but i still think because of his age he can help down the future when the kings are knocking on the door for a playoff spot with louis anderson to me. It's interesting because seven overall. Pick which means you have skill. There's no question but he has. That shift disturb her type of personality. The pest the modern day hockey. Nhl has that nowadays every team has that to the point where you best. Combination is mark shop where you talk about. He's passed but at the same time. He is one of the best players in the league. Now anderson nowhere. Near that. The one thing i think anderson is gonna try to figure out for himself and just hearing them. Speak early in camp here. The thing that stuck out to me was this. I believe he realizes his own weakness. He used the word mature american thirty a million times. What i've seen before from shift disturbers that have a bit of skill is this. Are they being the past. They are to help the team or they being the pest they are to draw attention to themselves and if it's the latter you're in trouble and maybe that was part of the his stuff you can alienate yourself from teammates very quickly by getting yourself into situations that they just don't wanna be into the vocal point you want to be everyone's looking at me. Ooh yeah i'm i'm tough. Y'all will win the game. And if he's learned that then. I think you have a bottom six forward but a third line forward. Maybe not this year. We'll see with and again. I heard him described as this. He can play up and down the lineup. And i think that's important. Because i think he has the skill to play. You know he could fill in for two weeks on the top line because he has the speed and quickness and skill to keep up. he's perfect role. maybe not so risk versus reward. both of those guys ethnic athletes. Same situation your risk is is neil free agent. Mata free-agent anderson cost you a second round pick but he was a first round pick. He was seven. He was topped in peace. This that's what i think. The kings are looking for pieces right now. What are those pieces become impact pieces or they're just roll pieces as long as they're pieces and with the age of those players were just discussing. They can be here now. That can be gone next year. But you didn't lose lot because you didn't give up the same time. They're young enough to stay with you and be with you when it is time to make the playoffs if you strike gold you've just picked up. The player drafted two spots after earliest pederson. You've just picked up a player that two years ago scored thirty goals and just picked up a player. That a couple of years ago is winning stanley cups for not very much. So i i'm i'm looking at it like great if it all works out. Great if it doesn't. I'm not angry about it because it doesn't really change long-term plan around the league We we it was an interesting offseason short and constrained by economics constrained by the question of whether we would even play this season. And i mean the big big moves that we saw were impacted by the change in the business. Yeah i'm thinking of alex angelo. Who may have been on the outs with. Saint louis winds up in vegas You know. I'm i'm looking at vancouver. Who they got a chance to pick up nate schmidt as a result of that deal with you know for you know pennies on the dollar relatively speaking Were there any moves that stuck out to you this off season you know either free agency or player movement. Maybe even lock their up. Because some i mean mike hoffman has signed a tryout contract even though that's that's just a v eight technicality until someone else gets moved on long-term. Ira then he can. They can use that money all that. Yeah you know. It's the thing that just comes to mind are two concepts and they apply to the kings and some circumstance and that is the salary cap room which you brought up earlier again rob blake and his group. The team their biggest decision right is when to use that. It's not that they have when to use it and so the kings are in a great position right great position that way cal cap. The thing that came to mind to me though is this. Is alexander ovechkin. The cap is going to be flat for a few years. Now it's not going up. It's just not the covid ramifications for a lot of businesses including nhl will not allow that cap go up the revenues will not be generated enough for that cap to go up so now the caps situation where they have to resign him. I'll restate that. They don't have to resign that but he'll be a free agent. His contract will come. Do do you up on that. He was asking for twelve million. Before and i would have said pay pay. That man is mile candidate. They probably can't right. Yes they signed backstrom. Who's a little bit younger. Probably a player because of his finesse can have an impact on a game without even for a few more. So that's the things that come to mind to me is man. That's a tough situation. Now for washington and ovechkin. Because i'm sure he wants to stay there and he's going to take a hit he's going to take a pay cut to stay around. There's no doubt about that. No getting the garage. Basically decided to take a pay cut to stay discount rate. Is that what they call it. So again the kings in a position. Where when the time comes they can use that that cap space. That could be now over. You know contract of another player that we've seen it before right where you acquire a player knowing that the other teams trying to get rid of that room and they give you some prospects or or assets poor that king. Still have that option whether it happens or not. We don't know who they still have. That option the the other thing and i discussed with the covid situation. It's just difficult is because of the stage kings are in as a franchise with their players and development. This hurts the kings more than most teams. Because the kings need twelve to fifteen players to be playing at a non nhl level because developmentally players are hugely important independent sources right our ranking the kings prospection the top. Three top five around the league. Everyone's doing that but now because of covid they don't have a chance to play or they might not be in the position to play where the kings would want them to to maximize that development. And that's where they're going to have to dance around things at least for a year but how much that year hurt them. Does it hurt them enough. Where one area where it helps the kings salary cap it will probably be a bonus that the cap stays flat think the kings will be able to catch up to the rest of the league a little bit quicker under those circumstances then if teams could just continue to spend and spend spending span. I mean vegas is at team right now right the way they have to win now they have to win now because the cavs not going anywhere. They're not going to be lad players every time they add a player. They're gonna have to get rid of someone but at some point if they don't win. Do you know what is going to hit the fat. And they're going to have to retool if you win. It's all worth it if you win. Once it's all worth it. I don't care if you mortgage that future for. I don't care how many you win wants. its import. so but that's the situation there in the cap. Kings are in a good situation but development unfortunately not a good to the good news for a lot of the king's prospects as i was going through and building my My depth chart and all season roster just in my notes was that i still look at the ages for all these guys and it's nineteen and twenty and like you're still young but i agree jimmy and they need. They need to play. And even on this. You know taxi squad type environment. You're not you're not playing games. That's not helpful to be on a taxi squad. So i'd be fascinated to see the plan from the american hockey league is to play and the antero rain plan to play and elsa no i was actually hoping that And maybe they they still will find a way to play some games at staples center know even though fans can't attend you know you're still playing an nhl rink. Maybe it's a double header. Maybe you stream some games. In you. Know i i don't know feasability of any of that but I think it would help to get some of those. Because while playing games and el segundo is good from a control standpoint in terms of keeping the same environment monitoring players You know and it's it's it's convenient for a variety reasons locker room space and whatnot I i hope that there's an opportunity for further development. Because you're right it's this season is a a wash in lot of respects from a development standpoint You can't play a full year and there's no substitute for that as you know. I'm a big advocate. College hockey. And i love that as a development path for young players. But it's you know in in a good year thirty four games and for kids that need more. That's not the best path for them. Well guess what if you're a new pro. You're twenty twenty one and you're coming into the national hockey league soon. He needs play games. And i'm that the l. Get sorted out for for all the reasons world. I hope that gets back to normal. But you know for for that league that depends on fans in the stands. There is a a desperate need to get back to normal in the fall for sure that brings me to my next point next question. I guess so. We talked about bubbles and in the nhl working in one. Well we're not in one now. We got a whole season in this big wide world and even though yeah it's a different division structure and the you're you're only playing games against your division. We're going out into the world now. And i would expect. They're gonna be challenges. In fact we saw one as we take this today on friday the dallas stars announcing they will not start the season on time. They had six positive tests among their players to more among their support staff. They won't begin play until january nineteenth at the earliest. Took me like okay. Well i was all optimistic about the season. And now i'm looking over my shoulder again like You know there's still arranging pandemic out there and we're trying to play in the middle of one and How's that going to work. I think the one thing that. I'm looking through right now. And when i looked at it the first time. And i'll be honest. I haven't looked at it league wide but elected the king schedule and i noticed two fairly large breaks in a schedule. Where everyone says everything's going to be so compacted talking three to four to five days off in between games supposed to be compacted. Where's the well now. I'm making the assumption. Haven't really heard it. Point blank said out in public but the nhl is building a buffer zone into the schedule based on games that will be rescheduled cancelled postponed. Whatever you wanna call so yeah. It's not a bubble. It's it's going to be close and risk is going to be no again i i. I've read that protocol. It is amazing. The things they have thought about teams travelling where you have to sit on the plane. Can you change seats on the plane. Do the same people have to be. It's it's incredible the detail that goes into so it's not just when you're at the rank and what everything's into this but there's gonna be some positive results we've seen it. It's going to happen so there will be a need to postpone. I think and the other sports have done that. League baseball had to do it. The nfl how to do it. And so that's that's where you're at and you realize to the nature of the sport now having said you know. Health is a huge concern. Risk is a word. We've used quite a bit in our little chat today. I hope i mean who we hope. Nothing serious happens in the health nature but the risk players will get it but the risk is fairly low as far as endangering their health. It will happen. There will be some player. That will probably get covid. And you know they didn't know they had an underlying health factor that comes to the forefront because of covid math. I mean it's time they may have to have some medical treatments. But i you know when we went into the when we ended the last season and went into the playoffs. I was always optimistic. I'm going to be optimistic now. And when i read that protocol document it makes me even more optimistic that the people who are charged here no jacket. What they're doing. I'm cautiously optimistic. We'll get whole all fifty six games. In the regular season i think between the buffer time it also. I was impressed by even though yes a fifty six game schedule. That has to be done before the second saturday in may they're still even you know beyond those little buffer spaces of four or five days at a time. There are other holes scheduled that if you need a push game back or honestly you look at anaheim. The fact that the kings play anaheim five times in a span of like twelve days. Like if you had a game cancelled early in the season or postponed early in the season and you needed to fill that hole you could move another one of those anaheim games up because they're right near backyard to travel because the divisions are geographically based more so than ever this year. You're right. Alex travel will the lack of travel or the lessened travel will allow them to to make up those games more so than we had a game. Because there's snow postponed in philadelphia. Now you get to the end of normal regular season at the end of the first week in april and the kings have to fly to philadelphia to play that game. Then fly back to play the first game of the playoffs. It that's where it's difficult under the geographic structure. I think it's going to be a lot easier to great point. You made their great point. Where the makeup's will be. There'll be trouble. They'll be difficult but travel will be less of a concern. I was always amused by the hand wringing in the nfl this season oh he had to play a game and a wednesday afternoon. Oh what a terrible setback. You got all the games in like. That's all that matters right now. Like let's not worry about you. Know being perfect here. Nobody's going to be perfect right now. Just get all the games in all right. So division realignment. I'm going to go first. With broad picture of looking at all the divisions that i'm going to narrow it down and i'm gonna i'm gonna wind up with asking you kind of what you're most looking forward to league wide and with the kings but i want to start big picture with new divisions with the all canada division is first of all. I think we both we're both in agreement. We love the format. We love the division heavy form. I don't know about yeah. I i i love. Traveling is a part of the gig to you know every city every year. But if i had to do a trade off between that and getting more games in division even a normal year. I'd almost rather that. I been a. I've been a proponent love. And i hope i get my terms correct here. The stanley cup is never been won by a pacific time zone team in a schedule. That did not do them. A favour traveling wise. Meaning where you have to play all the all the east coast teams an equal amount of time and all of that. I think when the pacific division pacific time zone team has won stanley cup. There's always been a lean in the schedule towards a little bit of help as far as travel And we have to do with the fans want as much as possible and if they want the one in one every year against the east at least a minimum then. that's what. I think we have to do that. Research tells you it sounds great but attendance is not always better in those games compared to playing the same team eight times so attendance is better in having said all. That was a must do what they did. And i'm going to jump ahead. Alex to the to the league wide thing. I'm looking forward to is the canadian division. I have roots in canada. I'm canadian still. That's that's i'm wearing my roots. You got a canadian based company it and it's just it's just interesting only because i know how canada's going to react and you know what i think it's been received positively by people here in the us who who don't really have the experience with what it's like to watch a game in montreal or now having said that i've watched game staples center like you said it's phenomenal the loudest crazy. My memories will always be staple center during the stanley cups but country ride culture speaking. It's can't individually is just interesting. It will truly be hockey night in every single night and honestly this was another question that i have and i think we both are in agreement here too. I think that division even though it has one less team seven teams vying for four spots. I think it's going to be tougher to make the playoffs in that division then in any of the other ones because you have six teams right now walking into the season. That are pretty good. It could challenge for a playoff spot. Maybe even you could say all seven because ottawa reloaded this off season more than people you know had walked into the season ten people. I mean. I'm just going to look at it from afar and those seven teams are probably closer together. There's less distance between the best team in the worst team than than the other divisions out. There tronto maybe you know on paper. They look like they might be ahead. Not head and shoulders ahead of the notch team but as you go through that division. It's pretty tight based on just were. Each of the franchises are right now. Montreal you mentioned he's yeah. They improved landing goals especially bringing in jake allen. Three years ago. I say would be at the top of that division. But they've had to come back do personnel issues over again. That's what i'm saying. Everyone's coming back to the middle in that in that division as opposed to their being a huge front runner. I don't know if there is one there are the honda nhl division. Oh god don't get me started on how we'll save that for another day but you know i think it's fair to say that there are three teams that are ahead of the other five. I don't see that in the canadian division not yet. At least i mean that that might the trade deadline fascinating there to not because of the border ramifications because of the fact that everybody's going to be so close and fact a lot of these teams probably with the exception of ottawa are up against the salary cap. There's not a lot of wiggle room there. Okay west division. Maybe even narrow it down to the king's like as it were pertains to our little eighteen universities here. What are you looking forward to the most well. I'm looking forward to the fact that even though it's not a high priority for me development is but now the development is combined kind of out of the hands of the king's more so than a normal year. I see three front runners. But then i see five teams group together that she's me when you take a look kings. Ducks coyotes wild sharks. Who's better than who i mean. It's now in a normal. Western conference alignment colorado. Saint louis vegas who were the kings division. Now but you'd also add into that mix edmonton calgary. Thank hoover dallas. When a peg nashville. Now it's more difficult to make the playoffs. I think in the old structure than it would be. This year is going to be easy. No do i expect the king's it again. The five teams. I put them in a group with i. Don't i can't say the kings are better than that group. But it's a difficult argument to say. Those teams are better than the kings. I think it's very realistic proposition to say the kings will be a playoff team this year. That is a realistic statement. If if you're if you're looking at it strictly based on what we think the the division will play out but to get there. So this is an interesting group jim and conclude on this. The the this is an interesting group. Because you've got guys that have been around you've got brown co petar carter quick doughty and then you've got everybody else right. You've got the next wave guys that are coming in that are gonna that are unbridged contracts. You've got all these prospects that are being drafted coming in like in terms of the team and maybe even a player like sticking out to you. What are you looking at this season. Normally i would say know the young prospect group that is going to show us what they half and maybe give us a glimpse of where they might be five years from now but again because of the situation and the the development hit that the kings are you going to take to me drew doughty and he's the most interesting thing i'm looking at. He's going to go off on one tangent here if i can. Drew spoke to the media when he came to king's camp he was asked about his criticism around the league. And and you know he. He addressed it by saying he was back in canada and he's watching. Tsn and they were all over him. That's not and then i. I read tweets from people and i heard podcast where people were saying drew. Doughty is blaming the media for his drop in production or is no. He didn't do that. he was asked the question. Where did he hear. Where's the hearing those things he told us directly like drew does all the time. I heard him when. I was back at home and the sports network can candidates tsn and much like our espn instead of talking about just one sport they in canada. All they do is talk about hockey. Yeah they have the raptors and the other but it's hockey hockey and yeah. He's taking some criticism there and he pointed that out. He pointed out that he has not heard that from his peers. But at no time did i hear. He's the media costs no. I didn't hear that but it was kind of funny. Was he as he described. They did a roll out on. Tsn of like the projected roster for the olympic team. Like if he had to build one here today and drew was left off of that and like he's these olympic gold medalist and was on the world cup of hockey team that won a championship in two thousand sixteen. As he was a finalist for the norris trophy still just what a couple of years ago. Two thousand eighteen like okay. So you're leaving them off all these lists you're saying he's finished he's done he's still he's thirty thirty one did his game. I'm going to use. Did his game slip. Yes it did. And i'm not going to see it slip as much as it changed and why did it change. Because i think in my opinion he was trying to do too much. He found himself on a team. That was not competing for the playoffs. He's trying to find ways to get this team more competitive. I will say this about drew at no time while he was trying to do too much. And i'm a. I'm an agreement with that because i i've said in the past about saudi drew. Never change a thing. Do not change a thing. The way you approach the game the way you play the game the radio do not change thing and then going back to the end of a season ago and then going back to last year i. I saw him making decisions on the ice that i thought were. He was forcing it. Now here's an alex. We had a great argument about this. I'll have to say this. At no point that i see him forcing it offensively. I never saw him cherry picking for points or making these aggressive over scattered. Wild plays offense wasn't he wasn't cheating that way was he running around his own more than i've seen. Yes yes. I thought he was trying to do too much trying to stand up and be back at the same time. You can't do that. And but that. That's so his game. The effectiveness of his game has taken a hit. We'll put this way if the kings are going to make. The playoffs would say drew doughty playing to his usual decision. Making ability will be a huge determining factor in whether the kings make the postseason as important fairs important players kings have no question back to the playoff runs. No player continued to improve and get better as a playoff series went along then drew doughty and then from series to series by the end. He was always in contention for the consummate throat. He was always there. Because you just can't get better and better. I'm just bringing that up because again drew doesn't as the team changes around drew. I think drew will settle down and getting too but that's the first time in his career i've seen from him having said that there's talk about you. Know only modest being brought onto the kings to be that partner for drew and love it. I love the stay at home. Solidifying nature of amata. I know drew. You've given drew mentioned you know he's had to mentor. Certain guys over the years and that takes having said that the salary category that drew is he's in a category where you don't look for players around him to make him better you look for him to make players better around. That's that's so there's a catch twenty two there or there's two different two sides of the coin love the matt mata acquisition because of his style. Who can be paired with at the same time. Drew has to know that he has to be the difference maker. He's not support player. He's an impact player and he will be he is the one thing that brings me back to this and it's just a colleague of ours and that's chemical. He does nhl network and he does work of course for the new jersey devils and every time i talked to him he says no matter he said i don't care what his plus minus i don't care drew doughty is still one of the best and ken will say the best defense in the league and i watch. I've watched grew more than anyone in career more than anyone. I've watched him to hear an outside source like that. Say something like that. We know and i'm going to bring it up here. This is a kings related and my my apologies to my fellow media. Who voted on the king's best defense in the last year it was not not roy and my apologies to matt roy. Because you phenomenal year you had a breakout year you improved you took you took the bull by the horns and you went with it. Best defenseman on the king's lascaux. No question in my mind. That's my opinion. And i. And i understand how voting like that goal so i understand that. We recognize matt. Roy for his his improvements. His impact on the king's his plus minus on a team. That was not. You want to respect that. And give him credit for that. And you want to award him for that. To doughty's gain did not fall off enough. Where was not the best defenseman on the case believing. Don't well that's why we pay you the big thing using my i understand again. I'll be honest when i filled out my ballot. I want from roy too. But then i just went best defense on the kings. I think award like that is colored by the fact that you're playing e based off of expectations walking into a season but also relative to capability because was drew doughty playing to his capability last year. Absolutely not hand. He would be the first to tell i the air ago. That's why do we wanna reward matt. Because he i was doing an nbc game and i was on the benches between the benches and at one of the brakes. Tv timeouts jamie ban skates over the bench. Dallas says to me. who's that number three at. How old is he. So i take my car. And i give them a little brief rundown on the bio and mata- roy. And just that to me now i know he's having an impact on the game when another player like ben. Who's who's he's a tough guy and the reason. He was noticing matt because matt was giving them some trouble game giving them a tough time giving them you know left winger right defenseman matched up that that that really caught my attention of it is because he's getting the attention of a player like ben put this way. Put this way in the next six to seven to ten months matt roy. We'll get paid. He's playing on a league. Minimum detroit track right now. He's going to be a restricted free. Agent he will get paid and just like mata at age twenty six. And just like sean walker at age. Twenty six matt roy's twenty five like they're all in the same age range so if you are looking into your crystal ball and saying are they building this for you know in the next three years or so for these guys to be in their prime and be able to do something special. Just keep the back year head that you know. They're all right there together but with this prospect pool the kings have and i know matt's not a prospect anymore. He's a player. He's in any chillier with this prospect group to me. Alex it's great. It's it's you get as many as you can. But bottom line factor is there will be a time where some of these kids will be packaged. Because you your point is well taken. You can't have so many kids at the same age at the same stage of their development to get that. So that's why you compile them so when when the time to pull the trigger is there you pull it. And there's a lot of money to be spent and as we know from years and years and years. Mr a is willing to spend it. That being phil the owner of the team. All right time to wrap. We've gone over an hour. i one back. we're back. We gotta we gotta. We had a lot to cover in in one. But i am excited in a different way for opening night. They're going to be no fans in the building. Our jobs are going to be a little bit different for this year. We are not traveling with the team. i think. Maybe maybe if we're lucky we'll be in anaheim and those would be the only road games that will actually cover in person and quite frankly and i'm going to sound. I'm going to do a disservice to the guild of play by play broadcasters in the national hockey league for this one season only i'm perfectly fine with that because i don't need to be hopping around and you know you think of it like it's going to be tough on these players with try to do all the protocol on the road and confined to your hotel room. I don't know about you when i travel. I enjoy going out and seeing a city and having a nice dinner and and in being social and and talking to the other people from the the opposition and the other broadcasters around the league. You won't be able to do that this year. All that is taken away so why bother like well. We'll have a little bunker set up. It's my understanding either just outside staple center or or maybe somewhere nearby but You know we're going to be doing the road games off a television monitor which it wasn't awful when we did it in the playoffs on radio like we got by. You know there are some things that you do miss by not being there. But we'll do this weekend. And i know you you know. You don't exactly accumulate frequent flyer miles at the same rate that i have over the years. Jimmy so it's not It's not that big a deal. I you've done enough traveling and forty. I will make a pledge which will be broken three minutes into the first game. I have nothing to complain about this year. We're back working. We're back playing to be doing offer. Monitor hey jim adjust. It'll be it'll be fun. I'm just excited to get back to doing hockey. I've done college football basketball tennis. I've been super lucky. Do all that nothing compares and i am so pumped to get back to work at staples center. The french open peres. You couldn't see it stuck hotel not really. We walked around a little bit. It wasn't it wasn't like it was a free for all. Although i wish in some ways we could have had that just in we. We wanted to pass all our covert tests that we'd be allowed to leave the country. Put that i did not want to be stranded for two weeks in a foreign country. I know you gosh. Forty or fifty. I've i've been doing him basically twice a week at fox for college football and basketball. Although that'll stop now that. I'm back doing hockey but i like i there. Maybe like we may be doing the daily or daily but You know regular testing as we do Games downtown. But i i don't know about that in our protocol. Yeah i guess we'll find that out over the next few days but let me tell you it's like i live my live my daily life not in 'cause you know age gap right and we've gotten together a fair amount over the summer. You know it at a very safe distance and the philosophy that i've had as a younger person who could probably walk around with impunity really. I don't have as much to be fearful of here. And i'm going to be perfectly honest about that. You know what i don't want. I don't want a positive tests that then holds out of work for two weeks. That's what scares me. That's what keeps me going on the protocols it is nothing's going to affect me. I'm healthy and i'm perfectly confident in all of that but you don't know first of all and second of all how embarrassing would it be for me to have a test that silence me for two weeks. That would be embarrassing into it from your home. They'll put a studio in your home. They want that. I don't want that. I wanna be where the action is. And whether that's you know in a studio off of a monitor or at staples center and that would be my message to younger people listening to this. And maybe it's a fitting way to conclude. This is just. We're in january. It's going to be an awful month. It's going to be awful next couple of months until you know we all get vaccinated but you can be my age thirty one and thirty two. That's fine well almost you. We'll see we'll see when whenever that birthday get celebrated Probably probably won't make a big deal out of it. But i legitimately. I don't want to take off work. So if you're if you're like me at all and you don't wanna be sidelined from anything in your life. Just you know take it seriously. I've gone i've traveled. I've gone ten months without having a positive test. It's it's not that difficult to just be cognizant of others that's all it is just. It's not that hard. And i have to sit next. Well there you know what. Here's the thing and i'll end on this. jim fox. You used to work with bob miller and Bob's a legend hall of famer. But i have done something at least my understanding and maybe maybe it'll change by the time we get to opening night that bob could never do after twenty seven years working with you and that's a plexiglass divider between the play by play and as much as he tried it on that note. I think it's time to end so appreciate everybody stopping. By and listening the subscribe button. Thank you so much to our producer. Jesse cohen for all the hard work and putting together the the audio content that gets pumped out from from the kings. The all the king's men show all the king's men live. He does a phenomenal job. And we will see you on a regular basis and we hope we hope to hear from you. Maybe some listener questions By the next time we do this so until then enjoy opening night and we will see later.

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Dan Maff - Notsam Wrestling 274

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Dan Maff - Notsam Wrestling 274

"This week I'm not saying wrestling. I'm remembering to give a little bit of appreciation to a royal rumble match. The doesn't get it enough. New Ring of honor. Saini Dan Mafias on the show and a lot more so this is not Sam. Wrestling is introducing your host from New York. Here is Sam role worse. Can I just say happy. Royal all rumble. We and I'd be the first person to say that to you. Happy Royal Rumble. We on this is in man. Royal Rumble Wing. I mean in the Royal Rumble. In general everything that The rumble has come to symbolize a lot. More than just a match so first of all. I was having a conversation with a friend WHO's a newer wrestling fan. That doesn't even really know the royal rumble. I've got that mean then that that there's a crazy wrestling is when you think about it for most of us listening to this show. We've been watching wrestling all our lives but there are people that jumped on board this year. I mean maybe not this year jumped on board this year. It was like last week just turned twenty twenty but within the last calendar year new fans have jumped on board there Balu have never seen a royal rumble match as having a conversation with somebody who watches now but is never seen royal rumble match and I was explaining to them that this I believe is the funds paper view of the year. Mainly because you can watch watch it with hard cores you can watch it with last fans you can watch it with new fans. This is the perfect match to show the people that art fans at all that have never seen wrestling aren't interested in it. Whether it's because of the gambling you could do like. I know that most people do the pool. You know where you go to a friend's house and everybody draws out an equal number of numbers from one to thirty fifteen people or your house. Everybody gets to numbers. If three people are your house everybody gets ten numbers and whoever wins the number that they came out with as number twenty eight wins the royal rumble. Whoever drew twenty eight in your pool wins or whatever it is I don't know lots of people have royal rumble games at Superfund superfund though you get a taste of everybody that's in? WWe There's surprises. It's an hour. But it's fast paced there's action and and there've been good wrote royal rumbles and bad royal rumbles for sure but it's the funniest show of the year to the fuss matches of the year because you've got to royal rumble. Matches is now and it marks the beginning of wrestlemainia season. It marks the prime time to via wrestling fan when storylines really start to take shape. You know this is the time do we can start having conversations about where things are going towards wrestlemainia. It does this make sense because it has to in the context of Wrestlemainia. Going forward as we talk from this week. Foreword when we talk about storylines when we talk about matches when we talk about results when we talk about everything we talk about him in the context of does this make sense going into wrestlemainia thirty six. And that's exciting. That's fun I love it so I'm super excited. The Royal Rumble Week is here and I feel like somebody needs to remind me to do this. Every royal rumble week now on Thursday we will have a full royal rumble. All worlds collide preview podcasts Thursday. Not saying Thursday. We're going to preview everything and by then I'll have concocted some Cockamamie Maimi theory about what could happen in the royal rumble. It'll be it'll be fantastic. But in the meantime is somebody needs to remind mind me. Every royal rumble season to bring up this royal rumble match because it doesn't get brought up enough not nearly enough royal rumble. Nineteen Ninety Nine Royal Rumble Nineteen Ninety nine royal rumble in which stone cold. Steve Austin was introduced as number one. Vince McMahon was introduced as number two. and Vince McMahon ended up winning the whole damn thing. Vince McMahon won the royal rumble in nineteen ninety nine. And I just saw this. Actually I just saw this row rumble. Sunday evening is a matter of fact this could be controversial depending on your perspective but newsworthy or the nonetheless I saw it at the residence of one pretty Peter Rosenberg and we were waiting for curb your enthusiasm to come Amani puts on some wrestling and he ends up putting on the nineteen ninety nine royal rumble and it reminded me of how much I love it. And we've talked about it before many times times. Actually on this podcast because people don't like it people look at it as one of the bad royal rumbles. But I don't at all it's a very vince. Russo Royal Rumble and some people use that in a negative connotation of course in two thousand twenty. It is cool to dislike Vince Russo. But you know you really can't take away the accomplishments he made specifically in the wwe in the late nineties there you. You can't sit there you could say. He's not wholly responsible for everything. But you can't sit there and say Vince Russo was not an asset to the WWe and the attitude the two zero. You Know I. It's not a coincidence. That he was the head writer and everybody remembers all these storyline. So I don't think it's fair even if you want to be critical of him now in two thousand twenty I don't think it's fair to be that critical of him in ninety eight and nineteen ninety. Nine doesn't make sense because it was a great time. I think you know and there are there are a lot of good royal rumble matches Most recently twenty eighteen both the men's and the women's royal rumble matches but I think at twenty eighteen specifically for me the men's royal rumble match. That's the one that Chins. Hey Nakimora ended up winning. You had your moment of The Stars of yesterday with Randy Orton and Johnston and Ramos. Stereo versus the stars of today with Roman reigns and since Nakimora and Finn Valor surprise appearance by by the way from Ramos stereos before he was back Tons of stuff going on in that role rumble match. That was the one of course a OSCO won the women's Women's royal rumble and Ronda. Rousey came out and made a surprise appearance. You know it was just I love the two thousand eighteen rumble match match Israeli Israeli of course nineteen ninety two is the classic the one that Ric flair. One you know you've got nineteen ninety. Five I wanna say is the one where the Shawn michaels one foot rule was really cemented. You've got Whatever was two thousand five hundred six when that's just an interesting one when Batista and Johnson accidentally go out at the same time? Vince McMahon has to come out and fix the finish and vince tears. Squads and the whole thing I There's a Lotta great romances. But for me I love nineteen ninety nine because you have just a you a plethora of stories somebody fills their belly with stories and vomits them all over the twenty foot up by twenty foot canvas in that ring so many stories being told throughout the night of the rumble. And I think people don't like it because it breaks tradition edition so much because Vince Austin ended up leaving the ring and they're fighting in the bathroom and the corporation is there to jump Boston but they leave through the second rope you you know. They don't go over the top which means they can run around outside at one point. Vince McMahon's commentary but realistically I mean if Vince McMahon is going to win that match and he's coming in at number two vince. Vince McMahon is not wrestling a sixty minute royal rumble match. It doesn't make sense for the character because how could he survived that long and it doesn't make sense for the man because how can you survive that long long. I just think it's great because of all the story being told in that match. There's very few matches where there's that amount editor and it's just a great microcosm it's just a it's a IT'S A. It's a great peek into the stories that were being told as has nine hundred ninety nine started. I think it's a very very very underrated. Royal Rumble. I think. It's a very non traditional royal rumble but I think if you like the attitude era if you truly truly like the attitude. If it's not something that you just say because that's what wrestling fan say now if you actually like the attitude era and I think that you should that to me is not just the quintessential attitude era royal rumble match. But it may be the quintessential attitude era match. You know. I would say if you're trying to put on a great match wjr probably wrestlemanias Seventeen Austin versus the rock. But that was kind of like the grand. I feel like that was the finale of the attitude era but in terms of just a peek into what the attitude era was if you wanNA show a stranger. Hey what's the attitude era that everybody talks about can't really go wrong with that. Nineteen Ninety nine royal rumble. So once again we tip our hat to the ninety nine. Royal Rumble We're not GONNA do a state of wrestling this week because we have a long interview And I WANNA save stuff for the Thursday not Sam Thursday show this week. My guest is Dan off. Dan Mov was recently signed. Ring of honor. I think only a couple of months ago and Dan Mov is a guy who was actually in ring of honor when ring on her. I started for short period of time but but Dan Mafa is a guy who I've known for a very long time so I think I've told these stories before but in I don't know read on the end of the first decade of the two thousand is probably in like maybe two thousand eight ish I was working being in radio and I wanted to do stuff in wrestling. I wanted to be more in into the wrestling world. The things that I love in life I like to be as is involved in in imbedded into those worlds as humanly possible and I thought there might be some opportunity there So I started reaching out to independent promotions motions and only one got back to me and it was a guy who was running a a one off India show his. Name's John Mealy in my hometown town of New Rochelle and they were doing it at my high school near show high school And so he was like. Oh this is a no brainer. He's on the radio but he's also graduated high school on the whole thing he can be a guest judge in the Larry Sweeney versus Larry Barnes wrestler-vs-boxer match and as a thrill for me get to get involved. It was awesome. I even Carney my way into a free t shirt because I go. What if you know? I reveal my shirt I opened it up. And there's a Larry Sweeney t-shirt cert- underneath it and he's like. Oh yeah that's good okay. So can you give me a size medium. Get Free Larry. Sweeney T shirt out of the deal sweet and sour. But I met Steve Monster Mac at that show and You know we hit it off and I was. I kind of explained to him that I wanted to get more involved in stuff like this and he. He ended up calling me not too long after that but not immediately after that to say. Hey you know I. I work with Promotion Jersey all pro wrestling and and we need a commentator. Is that something you might be interested in. I said I would add adore doing that. I would absolutely love to do that. And that fifteen. In years ago at fifteen at least two over ten years ago I went to Jersey all pro. I started became their commentator I was there for a year and change. I think before the promotion shut down. And that's where I met Dan Mauve and we've we hit it off fairly early early on and we ended up in parallel spaces as I started to do stuff with promotion called PWS pro wrestling syndicate. Dan mav popped up their friend of the show. Pat Buck ended up starting wrestle wrestle pro. I was always around wrestle. Pro Shows I think I did. Yeah I did a couple of things here and therefore wrestle probe really I've just always been a supporter of them and Dan Moth was was there with them and I've watched over the years. Dan Mafia just continue to evolve and continued to improve and really get to the point. Where you go to these shows and you don't feel like you're watching a local independent wrestler you feel like you're seeing a star? Dan Moth at these local independent shows feels like a main event talent. And that's why when I heard that he was signed to wrestle pro to ring of honor I mean number one I became became so happy for him. Because somebody WHO's put fifteen years or more into the this business into wrestling and just working working improving improving. Finally getting what I feel like. He deserves finally getting the acknowledgement. Finally getting to go forward and say hey here I am and getting that contract from promotion is one of the more inspiring things that you can see And I thought you know I've I've wanted to have him on the show and on the podcast for a long time just to talk about his story a little bit and I said this is the perfect opportunity. This is the perfect our fate. I mean what what a way to not only tell the story of how you got here but to to have a destination to tell a story. Worry with ring of honor's the destination. That's the Dan moth story that I want to have on the podcast. And that's the damn off story that we have this week on the podcast The newest member of the ring of honor roster somebody that I've known for a very long time. He is the Bayonne bad ass. He is the body Gua- beast. He is Dan Mov the not sam wrestling interview. You know this. This is a long time coming because we've known each other for a long time for the first time on the podcast for the first time in the Nazi. Am Studio the Buddy GUAC beast. Dan Off is here and I was thinking about my earliest memory of interacting with you and I think I think that the first time the interactive with you was it a Jersey all pro show obviously definitely and I come in and they were like Samya mark have to go get get promos mark. Clemson was the guy who's doing commentary and like I know anything about anything. God bless Marc Clemson. Who likes just walked me through everything? Here's what this means. Here's what we're GONNA do by Bob Because by that time Jersey all pro was such an established organization that you know it was it was family. It was a club and I was like okay. Let me just and so they were like okay. Go over to math and get a problem with off I was like okay and I went over. Big Giggle I didn't know but they knew and so I can. I can do a promo and you're like okay all right. We'll do a pro and I go. They Prime Time Sam Roberts here with Dan off amok tonight and you grab the MIC and and you said get Outta my face and you grabbed me and threw me into a steel. Just did the promo straight straight to camera. And here's what struck me. First of all is next to the chair is. I'm like you better sell this for as long take as this last week because the minute you get up he's GonNa put you right back down but what struck me is so do this thing you went it from off to on like that right. You're ready to throw me into the chairs you went and after you've thrown me you did this. Probably I mean you could go on for five minutes you you go ten minutes you go fifteen minutes however long anybody needs right but you did this promo into the camera. I remember what it was about but it was like all your promos angry intense pence just in the minute the camera went off. You started laughing again and like manual came by. And you're back to this jovial guy and like and I've watched you through the years. And that's you like the intensity the you put on I think is one of your trademarks. Have you gotten into a point. Now where that's really the way it works you turn on and off like that idea comfort. Fritz on When you allow me to to be what I'm comfortable showing you know I just don't WanNa be like the rest of the pack along the Saturday night. I'm I'm going to meet you and I'm going to beat you up. Yeah by ticket you know I want to be a little different You Know WanNa be intense intense on have a sense of realism in and I also think about before. I could think about a lot of things that have happened. Happy me rights comes from a real place. They made me angry. So a comes from a real place and I try to. I try. Try to channel Promo into something. That's really yeah. No I get that because every time you cut one of these promos it seems like no no no no I know all this is wrestling. But you've crossed line right now and everything just got real and and there's a believability there so like when you go out to the ring. Obviously when you cut a promo that's one thing but when you go out to the ring you have to embody that right lane like that has to translate you. Don't have words words anymore so that has to translate from the way you look. Your is your body language immediately as soon as you walk out of the curtain. That guy in that Promo has to translate to the audience that that's that's the real guy. So how long does it take you before you go out through the curtain to kind of get into that space where you're thinking thinking about the things that make you angry where you're kind of you know getting to that place. We were alive. They live in a color working in front of life of audience. It's totally different you have to focus on what you delivering. Yeah focus on okay. What is the main thing with the main objective with the main line? We want hit this from on. What are the key elements of normal the autofocus but you also have to also like to put myself in the moment? Yeah Yeah Breath already put myself in the moment and I like to be in the moment instead of just Planning along moonlight to put myself in the moment that makes them completely so which is difficult to do? Because you're in the moment and you also have to remember member because of Promo by nature is a promotional thing. You're selling something when you're in the ring in front of the audience that's the product that you've been selling now so we get to do this thing but a promo while it's part of the art of everything it's also. That's the selling right that where I'm trying to convince you to come to the showed by the DVD to do the thing so when you're in that moment and you have to remember. I secretly salesman here. You know you have to balance those two right and I don't think there's ever a perfect Promo I think there's always a problem. You say. Oh Man. I paused that second hacking or I should have said I should have said that it's Usually I usually get the. Hey man you know you nailed it you know everyday center sterile but in your head you're going because you're focusing on that little thing right now. Now that I remember like a lot of the promos that they would send you to Jewish me. Yeah they were sending it awkward moments. I mean the most awkward but that's what made stuff so good right because it was it was like authentic. You would literally be either sometimes intermission when you're trying to figure out like okay. Maybe your first match after intermission. It would be right after the show where you're still on. That Adrenalin high and at the same time like the rings getting torn down and you know all these emotions are just flooding through. And it's like hey talk to me about the next match. Talk to me about what happened in this message. It would send you all watch this. Hey what's this and they would just go and and listening to your God. Bless you man you're aggressive and you were professional and you knew and you knew enough at that point. He's GonNa Happen here because I just react. I'm just saying I go off the cuff and yes react naturally to me as you're saying nothing trust me I'm never gonNA hurt you. Were just natural. That's it and you would ask me things and and I would like my headache with you. Is your hair cutting up from all of a sudden your hair like it was almost like me just just standing there and my hair being my hair like you are distraught. I'm trying to deliver this message. And that hair is bothering even even even Kenner Kenny Omega days and can't even say great chemistry with that guy because you would go with each other and I would go back to your say. Yeah it was awesome. It was it was it was. It was an amazing time and I think back at all the people that were around. You Kenny Omega like it's it's it's wild wild all the people that have gone through Jersey all pro so for those that don't WanNa feel like in the last month or so there's been a whole new level of exposure who you are and what you do signing with ring of honor obviously a huge step and here you're on the east coast. I think you've you know in the in the New York New Jersey Philadelphia area. You've made a name for yourself completely on your own over the last best fifteen years and it's almost one of those things where you are just our guy right and then all all of a sudden ring of honor scoops you up. Had you gotten to a place where you had settled in and said Okay my career. 'cause I'm sure I'm sure when you start art you're going. I'm doing this right now but then I'm going to go to wwe and then we're GONNA go to Wrestlemainia and win the championship. Like that's literally everybody's plan until Oh life happens and you go. Okay where do I actually fit in wrestling and you know you start to see the whole business. Did you get to a place where you're like okay. This is what I'm doing and this is good I answered yes I just I settled said. No this is going. It's GONNA be. I was put here for a reason. I was the things that are having to me. It will happen to me so I compete here for this moment. which is teaching younger kids and getting them ready for that next? Step to go to Possible missile interview for the or an annex t try out or Pat Bach uh-huh and I feel like meeting Pat. Buck totally changed my life really. Yeah when I went to caressing syndicate which later turned on to turn into wrestle. Bro Yeah just sitting under pat bugs learning tree and seeing the different aspects. Because I I had come I had already. I was already grizzled and on the I had been through the independent grind as you could say I I also I learned as much as I could at j.p confer fad frank and then at ace. I'm with Mike Morgan. I was learning the different aspects of. That's where I learned how to really cut got a promo or how to tell a story right. Had a really tell. A story had had had a taken angle dragged it out for eight months to a year and really get the most out of it. which by the way an insanely difficult thing to do? When you don't have television right like you gotTa do this angle? Which means that? If you're dragging an angle out for eight months on the independence you have to just have the faith. The people are coming back to every show so that. That's that's the only way you can really see this story. DVD's back then and everything but that's really that's a small percentage. It was about the people that were coming to every show and then hopefully right telling killing their friends. Hey this thing happened this show. You gotta come with me next month because we're GONNA get to see the next chapter and whatever this is we were I remember for myself and most extant Variable I met him at Ace and Mike Morgan showed me. I was watching something and I saw the way he took a super kick from Jamie To end show and they ended show show that way and people were leaving the venue and he was still laying down the same way. I said I want me disguise. I got my said. No now. You've got you have to work this guy. This is the program and I want okay. So low and behold supposed to ask Steve Carino life Steve reason or another Can show up So Mike said listen. There's no better time another president. Let's do this now so I said okay. Well what do you WanNa do is. Is this doing to name. I said maybe maybe thirty five people there but those thirty five people were calling. Yeah other people's listen. It's happening tonight before you knew it was like a hundred and twenty people there so people were showing up. Yes based on the facts they announced like beginning of the show or right before the show or whatever it is hey this is the match. That's happening tonight. Hey guys look as wrestlemainia week approaches. We go deeper and deeper into our hobbies. We go deeper and deeper into our passion for wrestling. The problem is that your partner is going to expect you to go deeper and deeper into them. Do you know what I'm saying. Here there was the time. I'm sure when just the flirtation of physical intimacy was enough to have the front of your pants looking like attempt Po. Just the thought just the thought that you might have some kind of physical interaction sexually. Speaking was enough to have your her pelvis standing at full attention. Do you remember those days. They're not here anymore. 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Yeah in Union city. Yeah it was in the neighborhood. It was right into Mexico with the neighborhood so like this going down right now. Now you have to get here but isn't that interesting. That's such a good lesson that like that. The those you guys have been built so well in those home independent groups is that even when you had somebody like Steve Reno who was Kinda developed. His name outside was coming in because the the general thinking is well. We'll get these names from the outside and they're the ones that are gonNA come in and and draw the money. Those people are going to buy tickets to see them and what had happened. Was People bought tickets to see the guy the a match that they had wanted to see that had been built over the course of of shows so now we do the match and we do a title change which is like Oh my God please. Completely now the next time when I got Tao's dirty feeble these Now every show is sold out. That's wild now. Every show is because they are totally hooked right because now muff has a problem with sexton and they're both dave eases right and the crowd will love them but they hate each other but they professionally respect each other. They can't stand. This guy. Wants to be the best thing this guy wants to be the best and this you know so the anger was just whole so incredibly is the greatest angle of it done. It ended Hogan Warrior for Union City. And I'm getting goosebumps just talking about it. I don't think there's ever been an angle that I've ever you've been a part of the visit has been so emotionally invested didn't the angle between most exiting Danny Mauve and Matt Morgan. Mike Morgan. If and why do you think that is like why. Why is it is it? Just lighting a bottle is that the the you can't would. Why can't that be repeated into the next one and the next one the next one and because might just had he had an incredible he has an incredible mind right but he just needs the resources he needs the right people in the right place so well? So let's let's go back a little bit because I think a lot of people who are around you know grew up in the generation that I grew up in no especially on the east coast. I Know Jersey all pro and I didn't even realize until recently that you when you started teaming with Steve With Monster Max Steve Mac and you guys were the hit squad. That was the first thing you really did in wrestling. Like I'd known obviously when I came in and I met You I knew you from from the hit squad and even the history of Jersey all pro and everything but it wasn't until like it was when I was like okay. I'm GonNa talk to him. I said what was he doing before Jersey all pro and I was like training. Nothing like that was you came in and you you were. You were the hit squad which was a big enough deal on the east coast indies that it actually brought you guys to ring of honor when ring of honor. I started so it was a it was a huge deal. What is it it like for somebody? I mean you grew up with wrestling. Your Dad was a promoter in a referee and was wrestling's around you forever but you didn't you're going to be a wrestler that right right so when you what is it like for somebody who goes in for training didn't even realize it we're going to be arrested goes to the training a obviously your natural. You know you're an athlete and you grew up with it and you'll love it so those three things generally get a good product but when you get out of school and immediately you're hit right immediately. The act is a hit. It's One Jersey all pro's biggest thing. This was a time when Jersey all pro. I mean literally. Jersey Oprah was making so much news you guys were on national news going like this is the new controversial wrestling Blah Blah Blah. And you guys were a big part of that you go to ring of honor. which is the I mean? It's billing itself as the best of the best of the independence. That was the whole reason. Ring of honor existed. Were you able to stay on level ground. Were you able to go okay. This is cool by or were you kind of so l.. Young in the business either went to your head or you just I was young and stupid. You're stupid I feel like the hit squad thing was awesome and were over and said the only reason why I have so many answers now volna students and stuff so you have all the answers. Yeah because I've made all the mistakes right right so you can see now when you see a student. I didn't write that starting to get a little buzz around him early. And you see the attitude start to change you go. WHOA whoa like you see it and you can be the guy that goes no? I know exactly clear how you feel. I know I know what you're doing and trust me when I tell you that it feels right at this moment but long-term you're gonNA regret this yet. Yeah because you did that. So what was that thing like. Was it just a matter of you believing your own hype believing your own hype. They've been put and also being put in a position that we were put in But also coming from the indies where it was a dog eat dog world right especially in that late nineties. Early two thousand. Yeah was like listen you know you. Oh you fight for yours or is taken from you. Yeah that was kind of the the end of that sort of fight for your spot era spots whoever fights for them guests those spy the whole. That's why because every night somebody who's GonNa come and try to you know. Hit you on the challenge heart as they could good and they were going to try to light up your dashboard check engine light with they would try to you. Turn on your check engine You know they were literally tried to take your spot fought either. They could not perform you. They were going to take it from you and they were GonNa be the guy with a guy who not you know. It's quite out all right. We're we're we're the guys who who who You know finally kicked ass because that was an era. Where like if the hit squad? If you did get knocked out coal say in a match if you weren't able to give back up or maintain that sort of mystique if you had to get helped out on a stretcher or something like that that's the end of the hit squad right and somebody else gets to wear that as a badge of honor even though it's like you scumbag you just I'm trusting you with my body. How do you not to me out just so you could be the guy who did that? But that's the world that you lived in and it wasn't easy for us to make things look as real as they could. Ah Yeah safely right. I mean one of the most famous clips guys like you. You were Jersey opera wrestling this venue where there was a wall right next to the ring a ceiling and the ceiling. Right and you're calling card became. We used everything around just picking up guys and darting into the wall or pigging is up if throwing yeah. Yeah and you're right. It's loaded the fans with lose because you can't as a fan you're looking at that going you don't that's not. You can't do that safely if we look at that going okay. They crippled that man for my amusement. This is what they do. I believe them so. I'm so guys must have hated you. Then the fact that you were young guys and you got out of school and you were a hit and and you're making money and you had that spot and people were going to Jersey all pro shows to see you and people were the going to ring of honor shows and and all of a sudden people are talking about you that was not an Arrow when young success was celebrated by everybody. Nobody right right you know. A lot of the older guard as The independence it was hard coming up. His a lot of places didn't want us because they didn't want change right so right because you brought that Sorta in a authentic roughneck yes style something. That wasn't being done now. So you know we walked in the door or or when we would inquire to offer our services foods from ocean they have locking insane. No right okay. So why was it was half the locker room saying no because they were legitimately. No that doesn't work for US or was it because no they're gonNA come in and take our spots that's over here number one didn't want was a spot and they were scared is anyone and get thrown up in the ceiling number three. We were walking into a locker room. We're where it's like. Okay probably none of you guys have got into a real fighting allies right now. We're coming we're GONNA totally look the difference. Is You know what might be different. Yeah so it's a bringing chaos Into a church yeah right. We don't want this. You know but it say hey and my selling point while I was listening okay. We're a little rough around the edges. you know we may be a little crazy but I guarantee you by the end of our match. We will have your entire crowd chant and we will change the way things are done here at people. More people will hunt says and you isn't you can put us at the bottom of the card pusher you want. Give us a few months and you won't have a choice but to main event us and and that's one of those things right where you would think a logical person will go like. Oh that sounds pretty good. Like we'll get some new main eventers you know they're guaranteeing this is gonNA work. Okay great but the people that are trying to protect their main events and people that are trying to take no. We got a nice way of doing things here and it's worked out really well for all of us. We don't want disrupters disruptors. Y generally. They're good for the overall picture. They're bad for the people that are trying to maintain the status because it's good for them they also have your aren't aren't getting any more than a hundred and fifty right right like you WanNa you WanNa main event for one hundred fifty people or you WanNa go on maybe semi main event and we'll get four hundred three hundred five hundred people. The hardest thing was selling it to the promoter. I yeah and having the promoter believe in what we were saying. which was actually? We had the best intentions. But it's also wrestling where everybody's selling themselves and and you know. The Motor has to sell this to talent. So now the promoter gently is the end of yours is listen okay. This is what I want. I want these guys in and I still listen the proof putting look look what he's done here but what we've done look what we've done. They're all successful houses. All Oh sellouts inning and everyone rose promotions. I said so. WHOA WHOA WHOA? We're telling you is a lie right but at the same time you're right they have to now sell it to the talent talented early trying to hear that until the Taliban Ah Delta hardware listen okay well this is going to happen. Then it happens now you have the talent a little leery we are by nature we just were not shy and we're not we don't shy away from anything we we. We didn't shy away from anything. And I think the beauty of us was that we didn't crumble in the moment If we knew you were scared and we knew you were worried then we would try to fix that in the back before we even walked out of the current. Okay so you're not the type that's gone like okay. Good then you're gonNA come Matt looking scared of us and we're going to take advantage of the fact that he would try to fix that. You See. Listen what's it for almost about what's going on so we've been doing this for such and such you know just trust trust this man it's GonNa be a you know we have a match And we would all come back and now the talented well at this tournament promoter these guys are great and the promoter saying yeah. I told you we're turning. We tell them promoter you see. Yeah Yeah Yeah so now it just took that one and now the that guy will and everyone else. What are they doing out there? Well we want some of that too right now. We have a locker room. That's now so now wants a piece of the hit squad and wants to get an air. Mix It up and that's what we wanted. So what do you think you're doing wrong in that era as a young person in his as a kid that was gone. Do you think it was. You weren't sensitive enough to the fact that like logically now because you've been around for as long as you have. You could see. Oh I get why people didn't want US around. I get why people didn't like they weren't right but I understand their perspective now. Because you've seen as much as you've seen. Do you think that the problem was the. You didn't understand their perspective. You you just saw a bunch of guys that didn't want you around that that bothered you. Sometimes it would bother us. Motivate US right but Either either way we know it right and either we dealt with by knocking it totally out of the park. Oh we not only dealt with they by earning euros fact right what was the what was your case right. Yeah John Sky Yeah and then when it was over his ace. Okay Yeah Awesome. That was good stuff. Yeah but you also probably know that if I'm the type of person that goes it's like you keep put your hands on me okay. He's now he shouldn't be here. You know what I mean like. You shouldn't be here. I would probably say listen Sammy. It can't be that a tight. Yeah Okay Yeah I'll give you a hug all right the not that bad right but luckily like I'm GonNa Watch enough as soon as I get thrown unlike the greatest thing ever everybody's GonNa love that. Nobody I heard nobody got hurt. I'm fine and people are gonNA remember like all look at him throughout the interview. Salak roussell up. It's great exactly exactly and everybody got such a kick out of it So what was the. What are the ring of Honor Locker Room Mike back that Oh okay because I mean that's the very beginning of Morello's news here okay? Samoa Joe Lucky that Williams Dan O'Brien ag style for details. Yeah Jerry flies transit yeah the VACC- boy. Yeah of course sat. I mean literally Xavier. These it for those of you by the way. Don't know like guys like exhibit and trying to acid and people like that happy can do some research because these guys are incredible and every name you just mentioned. It was the second incredible incredible. Aw and all of them chips on their shoulders. Yeah you need deserve chips on their shoulders but all of them sitting there going well. I'm I'm the best of every single person that you just mentioned. I have to believe that in that era is sitting there young knowing knowing that they're the best on they were hungry. Yeah man if you ever the best way I can describe it and I was talking to Jay Lethal about in In Georgia the best way that you describe the feeling when you walk through ooh locking lug at the A- I leave it was called the they called. We're ring of honor Bruener WanNa I. We started or was it in Baltimore. No no it was in Philadelphia. It was called the stem Murphy. Right the Murphy Wrexham. I think that's right Murphy. If you will do that lock going downstairs. It took you to rocky. Three were Apollo took rocky after make passed away Yeah he took him back C.. Easy rock you see. They got the old tiger. They all got. That look is that we all have that love that snow you know but we all knew we respected each other right you know but we knew there for a reason right. Yeah and I'd have to imagine anybody that came into that environment without out that attitude. Yeah the need. There's no word there again right right. There weren't very young so that ends up running. Its course how did that end up being done the as far as in ring of honor the first time how was it I was everything done. No no no. How did you end end up being all finished with the first time around ring of honor? Okay the first time I Ended up With the whole thing I have broken the hits one Right because that's when they decided that they I mean. They had squatted down everything that the hit squad can do as a tag team. mm-hmm right now it's time to see what you and Mac can do separately right and The officers really will gave his really interested in seeing being Where I ee knew? I had a lot of range. Yeah And he he knew that in some facets of some on some aspects of it I was kind of being held back being the team is a mid. Carter's team really. No this is the time is now you know and a lot of other autism feeling the same way. So were you feeling that way. I was scared. I was scared because I didn't know anything else right right. He's always with Steve. And all you'd notice success with that all gnomes success right and you know and when I wasn't sure something I sat on I. I said a little energy for a long time because I was the least experienced out of at of the two of us and I sat under the homicide on aside and low key learning tree forever and you know and the whole thing was steve you know. He was a little more experienced than I was he. He wasn't working a lot but he was very experienced and he has to be patient and to show me the way but when we finally Click Click Click art right and our honor. Now it's okay. You guys have done everything you can do like what's next young. So we're GONNA charge you. This Steve Steve Steve Steve Leggett Understand the way I if I was in the same position I liked it either. I was being a little more favored. Fair thought they were showing Less interest. Then Steve is the writing on wall you know he wasn't too happy about it I was worried that was okay. But this doesn't happen We're going to be made cars. WE'RE NOT GONNA be here on so it's one of those things too like when somebody like a job right if somebody comes to you with the promotion and they go like here we got this for you and you say no thank you. I'm comfortable where I'm at. You probably not going to get the job too long. They're going to be okay. You got it. Yeah and then. Six months down the road the positions no longer position. Where we're terminating? The position is not you restructure. Yeah exactly okay. I thought we were good. You know we're good. But how about that. Other thing we talked about physicians been felt l.. Yes Georgie Phil dinner and isn't doing right by. Oh Yeah Great. Yeah so I mean that's how it goes right. I mean it's a cold cold hard truth. That talent right so we went ahead and we did what we did. Man I gave Tony. You're GONNA hit the ground running Say really says yeah you hit the ground running man. I'M GONNA strap the rocket to you that we're going to go. I said Okay I said well what would it be do. He says I'm GonNa put you with Christopher Daniels. You're going to be in the prophecy. And you're going to be the first guy who can smoke job and behold that's that's and And I've seen Gabe before and and I've told him this and I just I just felt like it was too much too soon for me. The hand of now right now danny mov today balance us he would not have no problem handling the The handling the the pressure the pressure to produce and the pressure in the spotlight. And okay. This spot yeah I like it I love it. Give me more pressure pressure privilege. And I'm a firm believer. That pressure is a pro is a privilege right and it's opportunity right. That's why it feels the way it feels. I mean the reason pressure is pressure is because this could either go really good or really bad. Uh Data Opportunity. Feels like somebody somebody believes in you brief to put that pressure on your lap. Yup and believes you can hang on believes is it. You can produce. Let's go but I mean the way we're wired. There are times in our lives when we can handle it sometimes their lives. We can't like there are like you need life experience before you can really know you can go like Oh. It's really great that they think that could do it. But if you don't know that you can do it because you haven't had that experience there's not much you can do right but I I feel like if I wouldn't have I wouldn't necessarily say failed but if I wouldn't admit that. Hey that was too much soon for me. you know I didn't know how to handle that position at the moment. I got time Tonight I beg. I'm ready now right. I mean there's something nice about it like because when you're young and you see other people getting opportunities this is wrestling anything. Anything any walk of life. You're young you see other people getting opportunities. You could jealous. You get insecure. You get like why not me like I'm ready for that. He should get that opportunity. The ice you get that opportunity and then you move on in your life and you know whether you got the opportunity to not you know you know what it's a good thing. I didn't get that opportunity. I wasn't ready for it and low. And behold you see the guy that did get the opportunity and nine times out of ten. It didn't work out for him because he was in the same boat as you. He wasn't ready for it either. A blessing when you don't get the opportunity you know yeah. I see that I see that a lot of times In the real world and yeah mostly it's like okay. Sometimes the blessing in disguise. Not to get everything thing that you wanted right okay. You're getting what you need. Yes which is the experience which is hurt. Yeah it's got hurt a little bit And you know again you experience of how to last how to ride away come back and you have tons. Don't last tough if people do yes you know you have to ride through that you gotTa keep going and you also make these connections the you have no idea the relationships that you make along the way you don't know until ten years later how important this one was that one was. We talked about Pat. Buck this one right here. I mean there's so Sony people that I talked to from Jersey all pro the like when I was going down and just doing shows and doing commentary and going to either Jersey City a Ralway once a month it was just like cool. I wanted to do some commentary on the indies. And this is. I had no idea how many of those people would be in my life life today. Just through happenstance crow it's INCR- it blows my mind all the time. It blows my mind especially because after ring of honor you consider leaving wrestling for a period of time right right and you decided to come back as a solo act back to Jersey all pro back to back to where you had been as a tag team act five years for four or five years. I took off. Wow do you ever regret that knowing like okay. That's four or five years that could have been could have been growing. I could have been in my prime. This could happen. That could happen or monkey now based on where you're at now or you going. Maybe that's what I needed that every day I think about it But I also say maybe I needed those four or five years my my body to heal. Yeah because I mean you know and you year it all the time. I know people are all of the stuff that you can do today. Based on not only how long you've been doing it but the level to which you've been doing it you know what I mean and that's probably you're probably right taking that period where you got four or five years to not let the body rest you get to start up again instead of putting that damage. I don't think if you've been wrestling on that level for an additional four or five years in the middle there today doesn't look like today right probably yeah probably not You know I needed that. Each you know. I needed that H I needed to miss it. I think it needs to miss it. Yeah Tapia better and I think that's what I figured wrestling out when I was out turn. You didn't when you left. You didn't just cold whole Turkey. I don't want anything to do with wrestling. I'm with you. Were still the same level. Your fan even bigger fan. Yeah because now wrestling now. I'm totally totally in in in tune. A Monday nights I was watching the The tough enough yet. I was watching. You know I was still watching old stuff. Yeah every day I was Watson Nestle and I was just why I was to study one of the things that make just I want your hours. Okay birth flare He did all these gray American bashes and everything and and I hear the legend of him doing seven. Broadway's sometimes to a day uh-huh any excessive. CEO Did so much I would logistically religiously watch his matches. Wow this is how he did this. Sixty minutes zoe held people at attention for sixty minutes. Yeah is that we lessen the sixty minutes as I watch over. I don't know sound just to get the body movement. Just the understand the body language and understand how. He's using every single tool in the toolbox to make this something that he can do night in night out night in night out night. In Ida Moses massive yeah who does the dusty. He didn't look like he was physically Able to sixty minutes during them. Yeah and not wants to not once a month every night so I this does it things like they were blown behind and then I will watch at at the same. In the same token I would watch joe versus Punk Let's see how these guys did it at a different level was amazing. I want to get that level one day and and But that's so interesting that you were away from wrestling and you still. That's how you know you weren't done because you still have that thing. You wouldn't be studying because you're not watching as a fan. You're studying the figure out how it's done so you can do it. Which means you know at some point? You're bound to come back. It was when magnificent obsession. Yeah every day. Yeah Watch watch this and I would fall asleep control him. My hand always foresee with all my hand watching stuff every day every we single day by the way this before. WWE network this is before all that stuff so this is when you actually have to do some work. Yes to get all this footage right. Yeah so just watching everything every watching it over and over and over and over again it was like I remember this one point insys sust already and I called Frank who was running Jersey all pro. He said he's Oh God he's a whole lot of seconds. I said what his lawn. So here's some rubbish. He's back what you you said. I stood up. I only have one question for you. I called you shut up one question for you is what the ready. It's also. Let's go that's it that's it. I don't need a whole like five years later. It's a one-sentence conversation. It's a and you were ready and you back in. Yeah man because I mean and that must have have been right around the time that I met you you know within that year and I had no idea you came around. Kenny Omega was champion. It was very is the tail end of Kenny. OMEGAS THE JERSEY. All pro billy wrecking crew love the hillbilly wrecking crew. Those those guys you talk about hits scary they literally. I'm sitting there. I was scared in your war with those guys walk. So the hillbilly wrecking crew was It was Brodie Lee. Who Is Luke Harper Negro Nacro Butcher and this was when Nacro Butcher was at Nacro Butcher Prime Trevor Murdoch? Trevor did come in The bruce goes briscoes. Came in these Nick Gage. SNIGGER ME gauge. Not Live like nick. Gage has has gained a level of appreciation. This was terrifying gauge. Yeah I was sitting there going okay. This is fun to be at this show but I'm not getting promos from those guys. I'm I'm not doing it. I mean something that was chaos but again you need chaos. Yeah they had hit Swat. Yeah they'd have it anymore. It was one of those things where I was like. I ah I mean even sitting there working there I was like I want to see. What the hillbilly wrecking crew is GonNa do on the show? It's going to be a thing. And then when the record Hillbilly Reverend crew you jumped on me and read them yes and we stopped fighting each other to fight against them. Yeah it was like. Wow Wow it was like Jersey all pro the Pandora's box it over and again. Yeah absolutely. Because you're talking about Ralway you're talking about Jersey the city you're talking about towns where hillbillies and people who put you know from West Valley Dude right the I mean it was not on the edge of HR disaster sitting there going like teetering one foot dangling. We are one step away from this burning a cross in this in this building about a you know a man. Yeah but it was great. It was great and it was like they were you you. There was no oh choice but to boom. It wasn't even like cool to cheer them. You booed them for all the right reasons and then you lethal like yeah. Yeah Yeah and how could you not and also I mean you and lethal had established to the point where you were kind of that baby face this life blood of Jersey all pro. You were the driving early fan. Yes yes and he was the kid and walked in the door. Yes so it was like better fabric and fiber than. Yeah that which happens to be the opposite side he's having to be the hillbilly wrecking crew. Right would hate anything of color. Yes yes so. It was perfect. It was the perfect storm and it was. It was awesome. Yeah when when Jersey all pro kinda petered out. Were you worried worried that you're like Oh this was. This is like my thing. This was magic and I don't think I'm GonNa feel this way again. I mean I'm sure I'll work. There's GONNA be matches. There's GonNa maybe gigs. There's going to be this but I'm not gonNA have that place that we can create magic here. This is my home. This is We're we're creating here. We're not just is going and working a spot right. Were you worried that that was gone when Jersey all pro is gone when Jews your fro- it went through their To their fees of use it. Petering out I was worried because that wasn't working on a national level. I was traveling all around the country. I was either working for Jersey. All PRO and Horizon Syndicate and Ace so that's that's a third right. There goes away. That's that's a big chunk so that was a big blow to any wrestling especially because Jersey all pro up until until the very end one of dependable and at this time right. This is not the indy wrestling. Boom that we're in now like it was not a guarantee it was a difficult the thing to run an independent wrestling promotion in that sort of end the first decade of the two thousands into the second decade like two thousand eight to two thousand twelve two thousand thirteen eighteen was not an easy time on the independence and having Jersey all pro their consistently running every single month to good crowds. Yeah I mean there wasn't much like that going on then right and a lot of building. A lot of a couple of Moses tried to run the building and it just it was the same buzz. yes not the same but interestingly and this is a great story obviously package CAS been on podcast. A couple of times pro wrestling syndicate is another Company the Independent Company. That's running same time in Jersey. All pro and continues can use on after Jersey. All pro pro wrestling syndicate starts. Running more regularly starts to get a little bit more organized. A little bit more cohesive starts to have these storylines like we talked about pat. Buck gets involved with pro wrestling syndicate which I believe. That's how you met PAT corrects pro wrestling syndicate the owner and pat ended up parting ways. the original owner is going to get to keep whatever pro wrestling syndicate becomes impact like is going over here to start this company wrestle pro and the plan for wrestle pros to run consistently you know hopefully every month and to run the old railway REC Center Jersey. All pro used to run and here you are at the top of the bell as a key figure in. We want you to kind of be the lifeblood of Russell Brown. I mean it's I it's wild. It was the almost the way that you've just said it back into practice one day. Yeah you say listen. I talked to you. Talk to me talk to Moan so this this this is happening which by the way I mean. It's so funny that you bring up like most sexton Mario Bokhara who is big and Russell pro. Is this whole other thing. But I'm sitting here going. You mean most extra from the south outside Plays Club you mean. Never you know what I mean like these. These are all the and that's what I mean about about Never knowing people were you encounter the people that you end up with a relationship with like maybe they won't show up next month. You ever see him again. Maybe they'll be around for the next just fifteen years. Maybe you'll known for the rest of Your Life Right. Maybe you become allies. Exactly listen because of Russell. Bro I was I was impounded. Wedding Myself and Mary will best razor. Consider ourselves brothers Shaun Donovan and myself excellent. The best friends I have a Godson I'm glad father to son so it's right right. You know that building that company has meant so much to me. Yeah and is that where you first started training two or you training before I was treating meaning I was working on teaching other people in other places bit nervous the extent like they're right we're past. Listen this is my coach so He said after practice and PAT said. Listen this is happening putting We split up and this this this is gonNA happen and I need to know like where my guys are without hesitation. I said so. I looked rather my support but as of percent. I'll go to war you right now I run. I run to a fire. You how what was was it about pat. They gave you that feeling because like you said it's not related to me. Yeah because you didn't know him for twenty years and allow pets always been patios. Looked at me in the yeah. Well it's good or bad. Yeah he's looked at me and the is never lied to me ever ever ever whatever pat is said to me is delivered always and I learned so much from hat a lot about character. Not Not always answering or joy tells you to do so sometimes doing the right thing really really stinks Yes right those serve qualities that I learned from Pat. They didn't even learn like for my dad. You know where it's A. Hey Man I was already a grown man. We certain man qualities that I needed to learn like that of. Hey you just can't like blow off steam. Just because you're Ashley Three Hundred Pound Gorilla Hath ruined scared you know. You just can't rule by force on sometimes you have to do. The racing to do is to sit back and let things Reeve let things happen and yes sometimes. Doing the right thing isn't always the most fun option right. Yeah and your head. You're like I take care of this in five seconds by I just yell and intimidate everybody will shut up and then just do what I say. The topic of negative press hundred percent for six months right so paralytic man. I sat under his tree and I learned a lot from him at August. Yeah you know so. Uh grateful because my career around and I mean I don't know if you guys remember this or not because we we've talked to Hawkins vetted before on the podcast but that however along it was year or two that he was gone from. WWe He was a huge part of wrestle. Pro Hawkins would I mean he created Pro Hawkins School and he created with Pat which is in conjunction with Russell Crowe which is in conjunction with the school that you were teaching in Roy like there's the long island school and there's the Rois great so when you get the call and ring of honor goes hey man remember us and guys like you know. We're we're interested first of all. How did you find out that after all this time? Ring of honor wants you and second second of all. How did you feel knowing that? Yes this might be the best news of your life but at the same time it means it kind of stepping away from this thing that you've been building. Oh really because a few months ago. I Texted Alexa Pat as I don't know what I'm still doing this. I can finish the year out home home. It's so if I'm laughing because it's not the first time even recently that I've talked to somebody who's told me the exact same thing thing. I'm going to finish this year out. And then they end up getting a call from somebody and it changes everything but go. I didn't mean interruption. Pass me don't you dare air don't quit. Don't give up first of all. It's not you second of all that's how we've worked on and so much to do and wrestling is going through a boom I now and there's so many opportunities out there. This is your year Sunday's going to happen. Something's gotTa happen to you too. Good to be left out here. Something is GonNa Happen. I guarantee you some time Eh. Came and passed never wrong. Sinoe can't imagine us caused me. He's as Scott Moore is start. You really see. I'll talk. Sells sells out there. Cool all set ready to go. Oh got obviously Brian things that impact right ready to go okay. Yeah we'RE GONNA go with this man they would go. This is going to happen and okay. We're two weeks away Cochabamba another friend that. I'm sure you met years ago. And now here he is. Yeah talking to you you available so state I said Yeah. As a matter of fact this is a good. Would you be interested in working Pc Oh oh yeah yeah. Yeah I've done that before you cool. ooh Who didn't wrestle pro right. Yeah Yeah for who you mind me asking. He saw Ramona. It is yeah Let me book this show called uncensored unscripted sensor and I've got a hundred percent of the book and that's the match I want. I love because I saw that Promo. When did the Promo and announced the match everything? I love the desk legit that he really did have control of the book and he really did call you and the whole thing but go. Hey said well you know the office signed off on it so I sir okay. He said what my people are going to call your. You know people people people all right cool still think what right do you believe it or are you still like this is wrestling and and a million things can happen before I get that phone call so now saying wait a minute. I'm doing this thing Sunday. It was a visa. Thursday of deviant. evect okay Komo's he's was so now there's they had a day early bring him honor and they flew me out to Pittsburgh I was GONNA have with CEO's and Dean Ohio so flooding into Pittsburgh. I WanNa find me Pittsburgh Berg. Yeah maybe they won't promos or something idea I show up breath and I'm looking and looking arouse it. This is not during a lot. I remember huge setup the big huge screens giant arms the production. Yeah Ah the TV show this. Is your team trucks outside okay. Okay wow so sitting in the top of my own business. You still don't really know why you're there. Oh you just show up at a time and you're there at that time and now I'm GonNa sit and wait for somebody to tell me why I'm here. Yeah so you know. I've known two years that when you go to the ages flying the rate to sit You know you don't get anybody's way but you you don't hide either right right so sitting on the second level. Just looking at the setup and I'm in Meiring. Everything here because the office a hey. What's up they told you to have mentioned that you have mentioned that is okay all right? Yeah so I'm figuring figuring it's pre show right appre show so you know I mean why is it why then this is. Yeah yeah like. He didn't even tell me to bring my gear. I haven't but Sir Yeah it's You you MARDIAN. Pcot up should we were You know or Code cheeseburger and Jeff Cobb. Okay all right they get up. Change your change. I'm like I'm thinking it's going again in my ready. Yeah out there you know God bless Oh guys. They did as much as they could to feature me in that match. Incredible very giving souls all the guys that match and it was great because I hate the grand. I we went through. Did the finish and imagine a great. Yeah I just did this the next night which by the way like just the fact that that match happen. That's enough of a high right. Yeah that's the higher writing off of main invented a ring of honor show with those guys. That's why I'm here. They come back the next day. Yeah let's okay now this the car around my other car yeah. Okay uh-huh hitting the ground running for God knows what because as far as you're concerned you're coming to Pittsburgh just to Dayton for one bats like at that and now now you're getting ready for your second ring of honor made event of the weekend. Yeah so have match the P. C. O. Carlos incredible He's No as you. I mean it's incredible take. It's not only about like the reinvention of the character like thinking about the fact that ninety three. I'm watching that a guy on Monday night raw and I'm watching him do not just the fact that he's a different character. I'm watching him do more with his body. Now and Russell longer matches now and beyond that other level now then he was even then literally and the fact that he'll do anything just destroy himself. Terry which is right up your alley Ali. Right like the perfect reach. Oh Yeah I love Carlo causing a guy in getting to know him a little more now was even more of a blessing because people that I'm actually happy that I've gotten to know like you away. Yeah So oh God bless Carl. You did whatever he could. Do you know for me and it was awesome and I came back from the match. Everybody is clapping and everything mm-hmm great and then we had a meeting after so suppo- tax out of my head. A team meeting act to the team meeting the team leader says A. Ah Damn off you. Can I say you came in here. You know after fifteen in years twenty years whatever it is you may Nevada both nights. You totally knocked out of the park. You absolutely killed his can't say enough about you. Hats off to somebody from the back of the room to is they. I don't know it is says we'll give him an F in job. Bob You're just like so interested a lot Lusa shading yes really wow. So what a difference. A decade makes a couple of decades from from from that first day in in that locker room to having a locker room chanting. Yes yes yes for. You announce how most humbling experience of my life. Yeah well no I mean you realize you have the support that you have until you get that kind of visualization of it right when you're just working your shows and doing your best to get noticed in do good matches you don't know if anybody's noticing not right but team leader stopped and he said okay. I don't do this do his time thing. Normally and this is a these are things that are really done a privacy sales. But he's like let's just out always do you guys think ammo deserves a job here. Yes even louder. Then he's dances. You know you want the job jobs yours but you know we got up. He got up. I walked across ship in place. Locking just erupted erupted. Wow what a welcome said. We're a family here and complied the family that was the most special moments in my career and never yeah. I mean talk about realizing that you're making the right decision. You know what I mean. Wow that's incredible. I don't think anybody's elise guy scoring their first time in put now Sam the problem is yeah. Yeah because I know it's coming. He's wonderful people over there too so I immediately Spoke to I explained the team leader You know have this thing be ovarian says you on your convenience. I do so impact. Reach back to me as a very well there but we still go for Thursday like actually things went really well off. There is really really well as as you offer like is got the shared. Whatever was yeah and Two packs respective bag daily. BSA uh-huh kid to come to the ballpark. I'm assuming you and ring of honor disgust numbers in terms terms outside of the locker room meeting everybody. That's the negotiation of the locker. Impasse Pass as we speak. Can we can't do that. Yeah a string long right yeah so and to me was the greater to me. I had already felt I have felt the generic Nerik rush It was real live. Did Bring on his Ri- Wannabe. They had no problem calling the magazine. Listen them I'm not even showed up this relatively certain again I've made any. Yeah you you kidding me. So yeah I mean and you're back and you're and you're there working with Jeff Cobb teaming with Jeff Cobb. I mean it's it's it's Dan Olson Hulk. It's been amazing house. He by the way. Because I mean I I find him to be one of the most interesting to watch performers in the world. He's the most freakishly strong human being. I remember my bad man so strong that is such a nice kind demeanor The social I guess you can be when you're that strong nice as you want your the strongest guy in the room. I also I got into Sarah. Has Octopus killing bayard. That's an accomplishment as a joke. Copies wasn't so I you know what's been to. ooh three weekends on the road with ring of honor that you've done It was my first one. which was the whole Pittsburgh? Da Right was the Baltimore Philadelphia loop and this was suzy. Are you loving it. I absolutely love it. I feel very born again. Is it wild to you. After all these years to have the security that comes with being a contract performer. You know. I don't know if people can really appreciate and I'm sure you know you think about your own jobs. You know the fact that you know that you're there them to perform you there to show up to wrestle. You're wanted there. You have a contract that you're going to be able to show up to wrestle there for however long the contract is as you know what I mean. Is there a sort of weight off your shoulders with the whole thing absolutely. Yeah it's it's like okay you know. It's I work in and take nothing away from any company that I've ever worked for of course but now it's like this. Okay this is it. Yeah yeah production trucks here. Yeah productions here you know this is real there's a catering tapering off the top notch. You know Travel you you know. We might finally see a Dan Mafia figure. Yeah right you know that would be after all we might actually see. Can you listen to this. Dan Mom action figure ago. Well I mean you know how much I love this story and I'm glad we're able to to sit down and talent And we should do this again. I am in this is this has been really good and can grant congrats on everything. I'm sure you know thank you how happy I and it seems like everybody is for you because it's nice to see it's nice to see good things happen to good people and it's good for everybody to watch somebody who deserves it as much as you get it. You know what I mean. I think that it's a great lesson there's any takeaway it's don't quit and don't quit. Touters last will do at that man. Don't give up always show up with a smile on your face. Yeah and always do your job the best uk UK. And that's what you do in wash ring of honor the other lesson. Watch ring of honor and see Dan moth on an international scale. Yeah Clean House and by the way you guys got Mari Scroll resigned. That's pretty good news for you to. That's not that's not a battle little signing you guys got free. It looks like it's going to be a not too bad year. For Ring of honor the villain is this is going nowhere love it love it. Thank you so much man. So thank you so much my friend I love the place. I love you and careers to you. Man and how you've evolved and how you've grown and have you moved on from holding a microphone megaphone JP Yeah why appreciate that but if if if if ring of honor ever runs the railway REC center. I WANNA come down and do promos Deal thanks thanks for listening. Follow at not sale twitter Instagram facebook and Youtube Raid Review Subscribe. This has been not sam wrestling

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Wrestling Cheers- Episode 120: Fite For Your Right To JLIT (Preview)

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Wrestling Cheers- Episode 120: Fite For Your Right To JLIT (Preview)

"This is Mr Fund Size Marco Stein. You're listening to wrestling cheers world got all your show and how would you live again away. Sometimes where everybody John Trump you wanna know when you eh and welcome back to wrestling cheers where everybody knows your name especially on fight TV this this is wrestling chairs would like to talk about things we'll independent wrestling seen we preview shows we review shows and sometimes we even have interviews along the way. This is a preview episode for this Friday's A._i.. Ws Show J._T.. J._T.. Lightning Invitational Tournament Twenty Thousand Day One can't really preview day to just yet wrestling cheers is brought to you by training topics network Midwest territory and key on Sports. I'm your host. I am just in summers. Please Great Review unsubscribe. Wherever you listen to this fine podcast it'd be apple podcasts Google podcast ichard tune in YouTube spotify iheartradio piping wrestling cheers pod bean dot com find us on facebook twitter instagram facebook dot com slash rushing cheers twitter dot com slash resin cheers instagram graham dot com slash wrestlers email if you choose his I._R._S. and cheers at Jimoh Dot Com and we have the merged or over at what maneuver dot net like I said we will be previewing Fridays and w show the day one of the annual Jalen Tournament Tournament and with me this week we have rick greetings? I'm doing good. It's always a fun fun jalen weekend. I love jail. That's one of my favorite weekends of the year. I'm sad sad that it's not the non-regular Memorial Day but just for me because I have nothing else to compare like associated with. It doesn't still feels like J. Weekend. Just because it's north more feels a little bit different but you know what three shows in two days days it's a hall and I think people just like having that extra day that Kinda recover from it but <hes> you know you and I were not big drinkers at the show anyways so I think we'll get through justified and we also have stacy. Hey Man. How's it going? Welcome after the show yeah. It's been a long since I've been on how many in a row you WANNA and at least three I think okay that's what I thought to have been three. We will be breaking that streak somewhat <hes> basically basically a little programming note because there's a lot of show <hes> we're not gonNA preview the whole weekend. We can't really preview day two of the jail at tournament so we will be doing day one and that will be released by fearlessness today Thursday and Friday. We're going to have the Chandler big memorial tournament preview because that's the only other thing that we can preview and if we sat there and recorded an episode previewing all this like I'm very serious. We're talking like a three hour episode this just by I love and you can can finish on Thursday and come back Friday baby even come back for Saturday on your way to the Chandler begins memorial detecting tournament so <hes> forgotten what twenty twenty one twenty four person Ersan Tournament and let's we're going to do a little bit different format normally with previews with you know we pick three and then we pick do all the picks after that well. There's a lot of matches and began to just kind of skip all of that but we're just going to go through all of them. Make our picks and talk a little bit about the magic one where we're looking forward to and what we obviously see common so we're going to break this down in order of the bracket starting at the top and working our way the bottom of so up at the top the very first match in bracket a Louis Linden Verses Kid Kash Stacey. I'm pretty sure you are excited for Kid Kash man. I'm excited for anybody the WHO was in East C._W.. Even if you're gimmick was that I'm kid rock but no I'm. I'm excited for Kid Kash. I get the Lewis Linden spot so I don't know he's pushing fifty. We'll see what he can do. I mean Mardi Janie went last year. He he sure fucking did <hes>. I think we might get a little bit better than what Mardi was able to give us out of Kim cash. What do you think about this metric while I'm marked out like crazy when I saw the graphic for cash huge huge easy w mark <hes> probably the only guy that would make me mark more would be Saima diamond ever decided to <hes> to come out of retirement? Take Thorns invitation for meet and greet <hes> just like Stacey said he gets the Lewis. Linden spot good for him. Hopefully he beats Lewis London because I can't bear sit through that many more Lewis Linden matches. I think regardless of what happens. We're going to get to see ah cash for both nights. I don't think thorn brings him in just for one night <hes> A._b._c. me the pictures of Kid Kash. He's a frigging monster huge and the guy was still wrestling in what last year two thousand seventeen still printing on on pretty good show <unk> surprise not really huge on cash and I mean Linden. It's always seen him about <hes>. We're going to talk about picks. <hes> I'll go with kid Kash. I think he he gets wind goes onto the second round. What do you think Stacey he cash for sure he abbott? Go kick captures while next up well. We we keep both members of air form in back brackets we have K._t.. Be versus flip the Kendrick fucking. We all love K._G._B.. Moves from the woods from the from the fucking was and if I'm correct I've been told he has great ass march. He's he's got pretty good merch. This is kind of <unk> but this is kind of a emerge heavy bracket because we have someone else <hes> towards the WHO's also really good merch but we kill that the death <hes> what do you think about algae this K._T._B._S. man A._T._b.. Wins this match but it's going to be really good because every time I've seen K. T._B.. Wrestle Agai WHO's like faster and smaller. It's it's always really fucking good <hes> his K._T._B._S.. He's in there with somebody who works fast. Go fast yeah so it's it's going to be K._T._B._S. and it's going to be a fucking. Maybe the best match in round one. What are your thoughts on this metric the I think K._T.? Goes over for sure I think of that guys on a roll. I mean he's been a we've only had him for what six months eight months it only seems like but he's he's got to be a pretty much a regular at most ad w I see this guy everywhere now I do here like you said he has. Some great comma ask asked Comma Merch but <hes> I think we see <hes> I think we see the flipper and Linden may be on Saturday night. Maybe tagging backup since we're putting those were put in former tag teams together with euthanasia. Maybe we see those guys is both take els and then get together on Saturday to try to try to get back in the wind cal like where you think in there. I kinda thought that myself when I was filling out my bracket yeah. I'M GONNA I'M GONNA GO Katy B two he's. He's definitely someone who's been on a roll like I don't know exact record of Ubud fucking kill it every time and that's how wrestler start out in a w in the next thing you know you know they're winning championships. We got we got everybody's pick on that. One right YEP from LEWITT's speaks speaking of K._T.. Opponents that are very short. We have what's going to be my favorite match of the night and I've gotten Shit Ford already marco stunt making his A._i.. W debut against my my nemesis some people would say tim danced. I've highly looking forward to this match not just because I get to actually finally see Marco. Stunt wrestle live not because I could see one of my favorite ulcers go up against do that. I liked it <hes> against but I'll just fucking danced okay. He's always puts on always but he has a lot of good matches lot of good rivalries lots of good shit with him and basically we talk about a lot of measuring sticks in w view downstairs one of them. I heard <hes> thorns on the podcast you know he's the Roman reigns of W and I I kind of agree so yeah brig afforded this but I'll throw at my pick now as much as I would love to see Marco advance dance and go to the next round. I see other things for Marco Day too so that's where I'm GonNa put it donswindows. What did I think of this semester with brick? Dow the big dog Tim Dance. I I could see it exactly the way that you you just said having said that Pick Marco I think I picked him in my bracket. I just a you know maybe we over think this stuff and we start thinking about <hes> like second round. Well you could see K. T._b.. And Marco go back in the same ring at the same time <hes> both of them were kind of put farther on the map by that match that they had earlier. Do we want to rehash history a little bit. What do we WANNA? Do you know I know it's away but you get some interesting parents but then again to you know daas just always there. He's always winning. He's always around the you know one of the things I like about these jalen tournaments. Is there so many matches that you could you can make a definite case for either way. This is going to one of them but I I'm going to go pick pick Marco advanced. How about you stacey men? Do you even have to ask Tim. fucking danced is GONNA win. I thought you're GONNA you're going to pick marco. That's that's what I figured. Oh Yeah. No you figured wrong friend. <hes> Tim fucking dawn's twins if I put on facebook. I wonder if I'm going to do for everyone says Tim Don's. I'm GONNA do the same psychology for you. Kill against exactly what you're gonNA root for or who who you got winning here but then again whatever I'm rooting for his. I'm rooting for stunt but I'd I'd l._l.. Donswindows that's what I've said for awhile but other than that which is danced hasn't sniff the title how long and as much <hes> I might not as much as I might not like it sometimes still L. Entertaining. Oh Man Gym dance is great and he's GonNa win. I don't know how that will even you know. That's not even a thing. Obviously Tim now next up. We have Dan housing versus Matt Justice Motherfucker Man. It's one that's one for you. Stays who the fuck you pick the man I mean so in in two thousand up a lot on the podcast and pick against justice man. It's Matt just mad justices fucking year I it's Justice Justice Chon album and the process. It's like justices two years that he's been on returned w she's better and better and better Beth Ma- justice for sure this is going. Be a really good match to be in house and a lot of singles matches and this is going to be a good one. How about you rick? I'm picking justice in this match. I think he's just too tough and you know the the four way. Scramble Granville kind of stuff is is built for justice. I already have a bracket that was submitted to be for Jalen contest. which has Dan Hausen winning it? <hes> you know you start to think outside the box. Dan How's winds J. Lit Eddie N. Derek when Chandler biggins cop you know maybe it could be a good production weekend having said that I think justices just too crazy on too big of a role right now. He still has the Satan Belt in you know that's that's enough to get them through man. If there ever should've been a match four black craft for that Satan Belt it's this just as Dan Housing match man. They dropped the fucking ball over there when they didn't bring Dan Housing and I don't know if they even exist anymore a man you know Justin Yeah I got my photo with a justice has the belt. That's all the matters whenever we're done. We'll pick a a final my winter but the the pick that I wanNA throw out now is early in the year in January we had just early bird predictions and we did gauntlet and jail it though only person that got gauntlet right was stacey and Jalen Stacey also picked match us as did I which will get to later if that is his pick now or not but will will see for me. I gotta go. I gotta go justice. I love Dan Housing and at the same time WHO's to say that Dan how's not maybe with the production in a maybe a six men tag match night to then avow correct you guys both justice to Right. Oh yeah unanimous justice have we picked identical illustrate down the board <hes> not you're the only one the pick Marco I thought all right and <hes> we'll do a little bit differently will couture. We'll go to a small inspirational ad and we'll be right back. Quick bracket to you wake up every morning. Guess yourself out of bed and look in the mirror in realize that you don't recognize the person looking back you don't feel as holes you shut you feel about half them getting your car and go about your daily activities and you think about all the opportunities that you missed opportunities opportunities. You didn't take doors you left close instead of you. Think about all the things that you could have done and the things that you chose to do instead that's where I commend my named Dr Daniel See Rockingham and I am not only motivational speaker. I'm a personal development coach and my three principal system has changed allies of countless people all over the world <music>. I invite all of you to stay with me today and listen as I help you. Change your lines and give all of you a new beginning all right. We're going to start into bracket you too. I like this one M J F purses Savio Vega fucking what are the odds that NJ F- mentions bruiser brody alive while wasn't wasn't Salvio around that I'm getting into trying to get inside his head of what he would say and that's the top thing that comes to my mind whether he would do say that. Maybe I'm Jay Z.. Young fellow he might not even know who Salvia Vega's this. That's that's factual. That's that is true to say to precisely Vega Gabby to have. We anybody seen how <hes> are what kind of shape he's in now. Nope we know the John Thorn has been chasing facing him for years so who knows the jury is out. I don't know if it matters gotTa Shave these in it. I don't think it does your right. I'm just trying to put a mental picture of what I think. He's he's GonNa look like and then see if he impresses me or it's what I expect. I don't even know what I expect the problem I I haven't seen Salvio Vega like seen a picture of what Salvio Vega looks like for anytime in the last decade aid so who knows you know what I'm picturing when I think of Sabio Vega look I know what's Obvio- Vega looked like you know back in the day and I'm thinking <hes> you ever watched Saturday night. Live and Keenan Thomson does like like an old band character and all they do to him as like a little bit of white in his hair. That's pictures of the Oh Vegas going to be the same guy for just a little whiteness hair little bit gray yeah. I'M GONNA put down a nick. I'm going to go M._J.. Half how Rick I'm GonNa go Salvio Vega just because John Thorn has been looking for Salvio Vega for ever and I don't think there's any way that John only lets him hang around for one night base as you no I have. I'm Jeff. I I think I think Salvio can still be around on night to and not have to be matches. Taxing that four way match would be Savia. Kid Kash has pushed him fifty. Salvio Sabio has eclipsed fifty yeah I. I don't know the deceased obvio- Vega but I don't think he can beat them. Jess Jeff Ones Landon the Curt Hawkins Buddy matchup. We have pet buck verses horns waddell. I'm not too familiar with that book of than the whole Rybeck podcast Shit and even that I didn't listen but I knew that he was a part of the show Oh man he's on the Rybeck podcast he will he was at one one point. I guess ever listened to just read the Ri- caps the you know anything about this rick. I know nothing about Pat Buck other than is you know his relationship with the Hawkins and and so forth <hes> I know nothing about Pat Bach. I'm anxious to see him because he looks like a monster in size. He's a he's. A dude has been around for a long time figuring out having having said that he's a monster so swat will probably beat them probably tap him out todd. I hope that just looking actually at this bracket of what the potential like people wind up around to some fun Chet I'm GonNa go. I'm GONNA go squabble. I'll be you stated man. I would love to swallow but I'm I'm going Pat Buck with Rick. He looks like a monster in that picture and yeah payback through there you go. That's where you go. I'm going to swallow. I just think that this middle these brackets are put together just very odd to me like <hes> this middle bracket. I just picture being like the kind of oddball second round you know I've already picked Salvio Vega to go through. You might as well adds to the next up. We have Lee Moriarty versus Colt Cabana. If I'm correct this is Lee Moriarty's second announced singles match up in w his debut in the Jalen Tournament and he's going up against Colt Cabana big spot big moment for him and who doesn't love a Colt Cabana match. Don't answer that because I'm pretty sure there are people out there who don't like cocoa Beta matches but that's a was supposed to be rhetorical question Russian. What are your thoughts on the Stacey man out good? Is it for lead that he gets Colt Cabana then be a really good match. I've never seen Lee in like a comedy match. Know How that's going to be but I'm excited to see it. However however I think Cococabana wins? How about you rick? Is this going to be a comedy match. I mean are we going to get like N._W._e._a.. Champion Colt Cabana in this one you know what are we looking at but in a high probably probably brings about I'm picking Cabana just to go with the theme of a second round match was Sabato Vegas Waddell and Hoke Aban out so we gotta go Colt Cabana just in the hopes that this happens. I'M GONNA GO COCOCABANA next up. We have doctored Daniels see Rockingham verses Manse Warner I don't I don't know what say about this match. I'm speechless. The the return. Maybe of Dr Death match the Kgon brutal style of Man's Warner. This is going to be so good. <hes> I'M GONNA go. I'M GONNA go with an upset. I'M GONNA say Dr Daniel See Rockingham. How about you stacey men? You Pick in Dr Dan to be Manse Warner. I I'm not saying it's going to be fair. <hes> man so is going to beat the shit out of Dr Dan. I you know what I wanna see as honesty manser staple one of those pamphlets Dan's tongue that and really think Dan's going to win and was just pretty brutal like he gave Steve Joey Ryan a beat Joey Ryan gave him a below the belt paper cut so I mean who knows death match but man. I can't pick against Manser. We got Parker Pierce that could potentially be involved. Duke could be involved. Maybe the duke screws up hits Vance with the boot cost him the match on. I'd if it's a straight up one on one no interference no bullshit Oh yeah manslaughter all day but I think Manson's going to find some bad shit but it won't be his fault. How about you rick? I think this is that sneaky fifteen to match up in the N._C._A._A.. Tournament we go wow there's no way number two seeds GonNa get knocked off by fifty leave. Keep a close through third quarter into the fourth quarter and something <hes> something goes crazy. I'm also GONNA pick Dr Daniel See Rockingham to pull the upset here of the brackets that I'm getting in early. Probably sixty sixty percent of the brackets have manse Warner winning the whole damn thing. I think that this match is a red herring. I think it's their throw us off the trail of man's Warner. I think the second bracket is the comedy bracket so we're going to get that savvy. Oh Vegas Swath Will Cabana D._C.. Are Matchup. Can you imagine how ridiculous that thing is. GonNa look in the second round. I'M GONNA put D._C._R.'s well so I meant to bring it up early in the show but explain everything everything about the brackets that people are sending how we're we're doing a little thing on mostly on twitter facebook is fine to <hes> doing a Hashtag J. Lit contest. All you gotTa do a send in a bracket <hes> you can get the empty brackets. It's anywhere my my twitter has a w obviously or steel somebody else's white out a couple of names whatever you WanNa do and <hes> we're getting a lot of guys that are that are sending me messages donating prizes for winner. You know it's a March Manda style. You know point for the first round two points for the second four points if you pick the winner high score wins the only <hes> I guess the the only thing is you either have to be in attendance. You gotta buy a ticket to sometime. During the weekend or you gotTa buy it on T._V.. To participate so you buy ticket or you watch the show live T._v.. You can participate. We were big out like philly affiliate. Marino headbands have been donated. I got a copy of the Steve Guy Memoirs of a wing Man. He's GonNa for us. We got four pack of toilet paper autographed by Dr Day and you'll see Rockingham. That's going to go in the prize package. We gotTA shout out from I'm Ed and pat over on pod Bay and dam which is a lot of fun and we're GonNa do a whoever wins this thing we're going to do a cameo video from a celebrity and you can't see my air quotes but amusing air quotes around the word celebrity <hes> because if you've been on cameo you've seen there's a lot of Wasi celebrities on their who will be congratulating you on your two thousand nineteen. J. Lit bracket win. <hes> stationed silvers already has some great ideas for cameo celebrities and there's probably going to be another say they're seven eight prizes that are GonNa get included in this bad boy before the whole thing's done <hes> some of these good stuff. Some of its KUNG GPS t tongue in cheek steph easy for for me to say but <hes> I think it's GonNa be a lot of fun. Just <hes> throw record Hashtag. J Let contest you can tag me if you want at Rick Nelson Twenty one so I see it. I put a little hardy like on it so I know that I saw it. It's just fun. We're just having a good. We're just having you know trying to try to spread the love and get your picks and everybody likes to do brackets for everything brackets refund right. Let's <hes> let's add a prize right here on. What are you get on behalf of wrestling cheers? If you win uh you get a free paid front row seat to absolution. WHOA that is a how big that's a big addition I on behalf of whoever wins US and it won't be me is obviously not eligible way? I want to thank you advance for that because that is a that's a that's a big prize to go out of pocket for so that's all we have a history on this show of giving out tickets and haven't done it in a while. I always wanted to be something nothing meaningful or hey go. Give us a review and we'll give some free shout but the one was always my favorite was I think I got this from biggins where I wish I remember we gave away tickets for some show but it had to be for somebody or the only people who could win is someone who had never been to an ad show so you could if you were you had been w show as long as you promised to give that to a friend who has never been to one and it's Kinda K. I got your free ticket. Let's go yeah so I like to do crazy shit like that so yeah. Let's do a paid front row seat at Abso so that's that was all of that bracket and then well. I guess we'll be right back after this second paid advertisement attachment. I'm glad to see that no one has left but now you're asking yourself document. Are you going to tell us what the D._C.. Our system is I will tell you now three simple the principals at change everyone's lives dedication confidence in respect d. c. r. if one is dedicated to themselves confident in oneself and respectful of oneself there is nothing that they cannot accomplish those three principles are the building blocks of anything. You wished to achieve if you just remember D. C. R. There's nothing a you cannot accomplish but sometimes you feel that isn't enough. Sometimes you need to be a little more focused on the task at don't worry to go along with medication confidence and respect respect. You can always remember rule number one all right third and final bracket. This one fucked just kind of looking at you might have the <HES> spey them bad ass bracket. <hes> we start things off with Eric Stevens versus Dominic Greeny and fell openly admit I'm not brushed up too much on Eric Stevens but I know as soon as he got announced. That Saddam started posting on twitter that that's who he wanted so he gets stacey. I think you're you're more familiar with him. Obviously I am <hes> yeah I mean he's a he's a guy that hasn't been around for a while but he was. I'm pretty sure it was a ring honor Guy <hes> <hes> I thought I read that he he was he was quit or whatever he last time he was entering a volume two thousand ten. I started following the eleven so like I of like current stuff. I just missed him yeah. I it was during a time where I wasn't actively actively watching Ragavan or so. I've only seen him going back and watching stuff. That says I twenty ten probably is around the last time that he was there but yeah this match is going to be really good. Though ever dom gets to Russell somebody that he really wants to wrestle missile you rick. I know nothing of Eric Stevens therefore I have to pick dominic. I think I'll I'll I'll pick dom to kind of the same thing of not knowing much about Air Stevens potentially see him in day to as well at some point thing that we got to mention to and I think it's going to be important to this part of the bracket is filthy. Tom Sawyer will be at Jalen in on at night to he will defend the absolute championship championship against somebody. That's all we know who's WHO's your pick on this DEYSI. Oh Dom Dominos next up. We have a rematch of one of the best matches of seven year itch Eddie Kingston and an sack Thomas Eddie Kingston winning gone for the gold. Kinda doesn't really need to have another title shot but it has opportunity in fucking Zach Thomas Dude who just we've talked about so many times of I'll say the great year he's had a just getting better and better and becoming that much more of a bad ass. This is going to be crazy fucking match. I'M GONNA go. I'M GONNA go to Kingston. How about you spacing? I I'm doing things done for sure sugar. This is the other match in the first round like for night. One that I think has the potential to be the match <hes> I real tough stiff <hes> the Shit Outta each other match but Eddie Kingston wet. How about you rick? I think Zach Thomas is developing a real mean streak as he's a progressing. I think exactly what you guys said. Two guys are just going to beat the crap out of each other in my bracket. I Have Kingston thin advancing so I guess I'm GonNa Stick with that but it would not surprise me at all to see Zach Thomas get the win here next up. We have no consequences whether you want to save is the the bitterness between them. The whatever Joshua Bishop versus trae Lamar and of course you know Josh Bishop is going to have the one and only West Barclay corner for this one. I gotta go with Joshua Bishop. Have a you rick. I'm going to go bishop too but it's going to be interesting to see whether or not trae has <hes> a fellow that's absent in the tournament P._b.. smooths hanging around in on now that him and A._J.. Jay and <hes> trae cohesive unit. You know who's to say the P._B.. Smooth doesn't come down there to counteract Mr Maserati West but I think bishop in all the stuff he's been through lately. He's just going to be a way to tougher trae. Probably are you saying man. How can you bet against Josh Bishop but the fucking year he's Avin? There's no way trays good for Israel. Good matched really good but there's no way he beats bishop and the fact that West Barclay can interfere. That's a stacked back deck. I you know with forty acres. He could have P._B.. There <hes> you could have Asia gray out there but at man it's Josh by Bishop Wayne A._J.. Gray might be a little occupied depending on where at this match for <hes> falls on the car next match falls on the card Nick fucking gauge versus a Jay gray the king nick fuck engage which the only other wrestler that was picked picked to win Jalen of the people that were on for the show episode back in January was Nick Gage by dozen Alberti and Kagan so I'm. I'm curious to see what happens with this we've seen A._J.. Gray a go up against justice and we saw what happened there like A._J.. Gray kick some fucking ass but if I'm picking anybody I gotta go with Nick fucking gauge all day. How about you rick? I think this is another the second possible double trap match of the night where this is another one where nine percent of the people are just got right down gauge in the bracket not even think about it. You know what happens of A._J.. Gray pulls the upset. Then Nick Gage puts his puts his hat in the ring mm to try to challenge filthy Tom for the w title you know on night to <hes> gets out of the tournament so he can get that title shot instead. You just never know gauges the smart guy but he's he's been known to be a little underhanded at times. So you know I gotTa pick gauge. It's like can't see A._J.. Gray being able to handle gauges style man. I definitely see this one being just a trap these days man so I try not I two things right. Jay Gray is beast that I've seen nick gage someone with the skill set the A._J.. Has the the agility in the strength and I try not to over think it in like Oh. What could the ideas be for day to try to just look at? This is like a one wrestling at I got picked gauge. I think that gauge wins. I don't know what A._J.. Gray can do that. No negage is fucking. Just just fucking. You know there's anything geographic in due to to overcome Nick Gage INS match. What was I think looking at it the other way? I think if all three members of forty acres don't have any any involvement in the tournament in day to that makes them more available to do of it. What if day to we see forty acres versus the production? Oh that'd be fun one. I would be great match and it works out with my bracket. Do we get your pick for this. Rick got game took ago. Who Do you guys have as your final winner start with stacy so the three guys that I have going in manser which holy fuck what kind of matches that that's amazing amazing <hes> and I have manse win in the whole thing I'm part of that sixty percent of people who've submitted their brackets with Manson I think at some point in the whole thing the Josh Matt stuff their their rivalry will make Reagan opportunity for Manse to be able to take advantage of and get one hobby wreck? I think Matt Justice just to to stop right now. I think he is on a major major role. That eventually is going to see him. Take the double <unk>. I W title off of who ever may hold it whether it's wall or Kingston or whoever the heck it is I have met just still in the whole thing also going to go with match US winning the whole thing kind of just backing up. My early prediction in the here haven't brag yet so I haven't figured out how that would follow that what happened but with the run that met justices had I could easily see him win. Maybe he beats bishop. Maybe he doesn't but if he would beat Bishop to win it. Wouldn't that make him a number. One contender backed up to the intense championship. I think we could you he could win but still continue the feud with with bishops so that's a pretty much all our thoughts really quick quick as we could do for day one of the Jalen Tournament <hes> any final thoughts are less minute plugs for we go or let's do a final thoughts on Jalen has a whole sore stacey men Jalen gala is one of my favorite weekends of the year period not just like wrestling weekends but like all add all fifty two jailbirds like weekends of the year from <hes> the Friday night is a long night Saturday. You don't really have have to be back in the building to three in the afternoon this year. We're not doing the tailgate before. I don't think because of the parking lot <hes> but it's like it's for good reason it's to commemorate to people who were incredibly important wrestling <hes> with the biggest cup on dates you and with the J._T.. Lightning tournament I man it's good time. The after parties are a lot of fun. The shows are always really good. I have never once been to jail it and been like Oh man. I wish I haven't gone like it's always a good time. The show that got me to start coming to a W so we again and everybody should bring their asses out to building. Cover your yeah. It is one of the most fun <hes> also wrestling weekends of the year you know the only thing tops it as you know that craziness in independent wrestling that is the menu mania week but as far as local is concerned is a great venue. It's going to be beautiful this weekend end. You're right there on the water so it's GonNa be a nice. You know nice backdrop for wrestling the Odeon is a great place to watch wrestling. It's also a good weekend to kind of mingle get to know people you know say they had people. You'd never said Hi to <unk>. You're GONNA be sharing the space with people for basically a day and a half. You know we're going to be hanging out in doors for the better part of you know eighteen twenty hours so you know say hi to people people you a Bentley now <hes> get to know some <hes> get to know some New People. It's you know it's a it's a whole community thing we've been. We've always been given compliments people from out of town about what a great community a W has and leave on area area. You know it's a time it's time to show show made of you. Get to see official debuts of all the you know. All the students at the Chandler up begins tag team tournament and you just never know what will happen. You never know who will show. You never know who's GonNa win. These things you know. It's going to be a great weekend by some tickets. Man Night to always has like you were talking about. Surprises like night to always has some weird shit man. I never thought I would see that. I didn't even know I wanted to see that but I'm really glad I saw that thorn responded to pod Vandamme Ed on twitter and he said don't <hes> edits at something about not me no. He probably wasn't gonNA come tonight to and thorns at just you so you know we have some put murders planned night to and any other any other any other thing other than wrestling you would take that as a bad thing for but when we hear that there's potential leaders plan our little ears perk right up and we go hall. There's gotTa be something fun. That happens tonight. I like to hear that and I mean we're not covering it like there's a whole another podcast for the biggest tournament. The thing is stacked to the teams that are in it is that's fucking great. Show on the big tournament. Crazy Shit has happened in that time slot in past years like A._J.. Grade debuted on that show <hes> two years ago is he shit so originally if you're GonNa Find Kaplan on it's an appearance during that biggins tournament spot plus the birth of Barkley nation is going to be the new Barclay nation is going to be you know fifty guys shown Mikey Montgomery 'cause I w regulars grief you know what what's what's IT GONNA be. We had the whole year storyline out of some fans who came to cheer for West Barclay in that. You just never know what kind of what's going to happen. It's a win your anniversary of Barclay nation at a new thing about that two year anniversary Bishop Brigade which we thought that was the worst until partly came along the bar has been raised and now they're attacking making their who will be wrestling in that chandler big tournament making their A._I.. W debut as a team officiated at the show for the big tournament thing that I wanna say his these are definitely one of the best times of the year. This is the the show that I always try to get like friends from out of town who are wrestling fans to to come. I feel feel like there's a lot of slota ironically enough. I Dunno tournaments that are popular shows in areas <hes> like whether it be another like handled a lot of death match tournaments that are that are big either on the east coast or for W.. A. And then I know down in Tennessee like they have the scenic city invitational which is a whole weekend thing and I feel like the Jalen it is ours and it has just grown evolve like remember when there was just sounds like I'm being old but I just remember when it was two shows and then one year they're like Oh. We're going to create a fan fest which was basically instead of show. They have entertainment Kinda set up. That's where there was a winner date with fatal Scott both years they had it and then there was some like game show set up to of for wrestlers just kind of inner entertain the fans and obviously if you let them eat any of the wrestler they're all there and now it's it's turned into a show with the chamber brings around acting turn it into honor to of just the legends of this area. Unfortunately I never met J._T.. Lightning but you figure the legacy that you know he is left behind not only just hearing this scene but now with the world of guys like Ray Rowen and Johnny Gargano and that all that all started here in through him. I wish I would have got to meet the dude on that wasn't a set in the cards but then there was big ins and to memorialize him every year. Is something that I I truly truly love. Definitely come out if you're you're listening and you haven't bought a ticket yet because this comes out on Thursday shows tomorrow beat a by a ticket bite on Fight T._v.. Helps the only way you can potentially intentionally win a front row seat to to absolution. You'RE NOT GONNA you're not gonNA WANNA miss that. I've had a lot of great great memories Jalen weekend like does suck that we're not going to have the tailgating because that became a fun thing along but it just it is what is and <hes> yeah come out. Support great shows photographed weekend common how some fun at this fucking show all right with that being said any final thoughts Alaska plugs for we go star with Rick. I have the contest going on Hashtag. J. Lit contest though out of racket I mean heavyset has been generous enough to donate. Probably the best prize GonNa have I mean unless Stacey wins and he gets a cameo from one of the head Bangers than have thrashed fifty fifty. But where else are you gonNa you know come on. You'RE GONNA get a free ticket to absolution plus a autographed eight by ten from razor-sharp. 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From Success to Significance Part I, Feat. Noah Elias, with Joel Marion  BTI 53

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From Success to Significance Part I, Feat. Noah Elias, with Joel Marion BTI 53

"There's three circles in life the first stages survival the second stage of success very few people know about the third circle which is significance. And what I learned about the third significance that's where I was rocked and my world got turned upside down because like everybody by the world's definition would say. Hey things are successful. You're working with these brands. You're doing what you love. You have a wife and kids you live in Orange County the all. That looks like you've hit the talk right. It was it. I was so far from the top. I realized that I was at zero. Actually I was in deficit total deficit. I'm I'm a believer. I have it all when we off all right. What is up guys? Welcome back to another amazing incredible exciting. Dan Rather at says she got well. I would say impactful super shadowing Like incredible like gift to be here with the gentleman that we have today. So it's going to be an amazing huge impact episode. Yes our guest. Today is a world famous artist. His his name is Noah allies. No on I have gotten to know each other over these past months and I'm excited to have him here today before we get into all the exciting content that we have plans. I want to remind you guys what we're all about here. One and only podcast specifically designed to move further towards living the life that you were born to live. You've when you love to live that life you were created for a purpose for a reason and you may stop you real quick because there is in the news right now and it's because I watch sports there's a lot of NFL players that were not living the life they were born to live so they walked away literally. I hate hearing that we've had NFL guys on this thing. We've had people on this podcast and I get these people and like hearing that people are not being able to live the life they were born a live most people look at NFL player. They go while that's a dream job That's everything I would ever want. And then you're hearing them say it wasn't that no this is not. This is not the life that I wanna Wanna live right in and out of injuries or concussions. Whatever it may be anyways that's on my heart right now? I'm like wow. This is people who have all their life. That's all they've ever known and now they're starting over in a different way in God will lead them right direction. But it's so important Joel. Living the life you were born to live and I hope all all our listeners are really taken that to heart because if you're not your slave to the paycheck slave to depression a slave to whatever it is it's taking your life away uh-huh that's what this is all about. So thank you for joining us on this podcast today. It's about living life right. And there's a difference so many people who are walking going through the motions of the years that they have on this on this planet and we're entrusted with for reason for purposes here for reason guys and that's what we're here to help you do because every episode every single episode of born impact our goals give you clear and actionable steps not fluff but real practical takeaways to help help you live a more impactful life a life with purpose life where you're making a difference. Everybody wants to have impact try. And what is that. That's making a difference cassettes at saying I'm here but there's a reason I'm here. I'm having influence on making an impact on making a difference in this world right in your a family in your relationships in your career and in the world around you I am joined by my amazing co-hosts Kill Mode Aka Dan. Dan Long excited to have you here on this episode. We're going to have a great conversation at a lot to it. Missing you call and a couple of these episodes recently but Yep The man. He's here in the West less today. Yeah you know what thank you Joel and you know what I've learned that I'm not a machine I may I tell you what my body reminds me all right now out tighten up we gotta do this gotTa do that. God remind you once in a while for gratitude and I have to tell you boy. I'm blessed to be able to hear. Smell taste see Z.. These are things that have crossed my mind because if everybody knows out there I've been suffering a little bit from an l five. That's just a little mad at me right now. So anyways I'm happy to be super pumped and today's guest man. Your stuff is just out of this world. I'm not just telling you that because you're sitting next to us. I'm telling you that because it's absolutely incredible. I know everyone's going to be googling your name if they don't already know who you are Super pump to be here with you today. Man and Joel let's get this party started. Yeah it's a reminder of this podcast free we bring in guests fly them in we put him up in a nice accommodations on the beach here. we take more most importantly we take the time to do this right The the money who's not the biggest thing the cost of the flight is not the biggest thing. But what time is strictly valuable We all have the same amount twenty four hours a day. That's it I got the same as everybody else As does not has does Dan. We're taking good portion of our day today to shared Noah's story. His expertise has experienced You'd WanNa be blessed by what he has to share and it's all free. It's all free for you guys. Hopefully that doesn't devalue it for you because there's literally hundreds hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars worth of advice in here if you just go home apply it to your life totally and You know aside from putting a monetary value I too there's a priceless level of value to the stuff we're GonNa talk about when it comes to your life's purpose your life's calling your family life and mastering all those different Canarias unhappy wres- be happy chilly. Yeah that was one of the words used in one of the last interviews one of these. NFL players. I don't have joy anymore. I don't even know what joy is like. It's important for you to be happy. It's important for you to have joy sure you're going to be challenged. I'm not saying that that's not gonNA happen I just think it's important for people to realize what is that right. What is what is your happiness in? My mind might look a little different than yours. That's okay but make sure you find that. 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If you have no foundation you literally have no building blocks to get you to be able to be strong is what you should be to live the life. You're born live impact. ACT Other people so start at episode one goal and then episode number two. I know you've already listened to it but if you need to go back that's where you're gonNA go episode episode wanted to Luke where we detail what we call the five pillars of impact right. I've peas. We won't go over them in detail here but you want to see them. If you've already listened so that those two episodes you're going to see them all throughout Nellis Story and the experience and expertise sharing all going to be found in the five pillars of impact every episode. We have a guest on up. There's patience perseverance up. There's there's passion up in one or the other they're all they're all going to be there because anybody who's living a life of impact like no is is going to be exemplifying those five pillars all throughout their life story. Okay So I'm grateful. Foil for Noah being here and being able to To share historian his expertise ambiguity those five pillars. If you have not listened to episode one to yet go hadn't hadn't listened to this episode with Noah and then jump back up so wanted to get that foundation grounded and then you can skip around and see what guests You WanNa so you know what Piques your interest topics I guess. That's fine. Skip around at that point. But don't don't skip around without episode one and to have an understanding the foundation. Shen nothing great in this world was ever built without a foundation. I we haven't even gotten to the podcast yet and three perseverance. Passion right this guy I mean he is literally all of that in a hand basket without really getting a chance to even know him as deep is what we're about to get into right. I mean literally. There's so many things that I can think of like passion you've done proficiency one of the most proficient artists that are out there bottom line. Go back to episode. Okay right make sure you understand the five five pillars the foundation of living a life the born alive living a life of impact. And it's important to those things and you can start implementing those things in your own life pillar number one is passion Russian and it is killer number one for a reason so go back listen repre header on those then feel free to skip around but for right. Now you'll listen to the Noah Elias episode. And we're going to introduce informally way to here. I'M GONNA go. There is bio. And you're GONNA be like Whoa so no allies. One of the most accomplished renown artists of our time in fact knows recently recognized as one of the top twenty five artists in the world. Top twenty five hours in the world all the world with seven billion people on this planet right now on the top twenty five artists in the world by Art Business Magazine that's amazing knows portfolio partnerships ships collaborations are extensive including his world-famous partnership with The Walt Disney company were no creates Noah versions of many of the major Disney characters. That you're familiar with have been familiar with sensual child featured in galleries. All across the world knows work has also been featured in learning channel. Show rides the feature film home too fast too furious. MTV body are on musical artists pink one of her top videos as well as various brandon campaigns for Lexus Toyota and Microsoft. Maybe you've heard of those brands. He is also the best selling author of the book. Speed bumps and has tagged fear hunters helping people remove move fear and shame from their lives so they can live in their true identity and calm doesn't sound like a born in Pat Buck right there right yeah. It does. Additionally no was the founder of the Masters Program Online at mentoring platform for kingdom minded entrepreneurs as well as the in game forever family owned and Ghani Ghani yet eh Zulu so in Ghana and opportunity. We had them yes. Zulu tribe in South Africa is a home in South Africa which helps rescue and care for AIDS orphans and children with special needs so of all everything else. I already told you. Then he's got charities going on he's got the programs programs for Keita minded entrepreneurs. He's super accomplished in his own. Right in all this all artistic things. He's a bestselling author. You may be wondering how in the world is guy do that much in a relatively short period of time since forties. But I probably if I asked Noah what his he's he's most proud of is the fact that he's a loyal husband eleven father and a great friend. We're going to have an incredible conversation. Today's our pleasure to welcome to born impact act or special guest. Today Noah allies. Welcome brother. Thank you gotta be here. and Noah is becoming a good friend As if you're watching this on instagram you'll see you know was Christian gentleman. But he's a real dude. He's got to sleeves tattoos over there. Yes Yep you can have your own car show like antique cars. Hot Rods episode. Yeah so he's a real relatable guy Which I'm excited to share his story? So no before we get into all that we WANNA ask. God's blessing as we do on mm As we do on every episode of about the content. That's to follow the conversation. We're going to have so Given that you are Christian. Brother won't chastised you do the honors. Sure father we love you. We just want to be praised. We give you glory for who you are. How well you take care of us and I'm just asking for everybody. That's listening right now whether you're on a walk with your dog or on a treadmill driving in the car sitting on a beach No matter where you're at Father we pray that this moment We you would have our hearts Oakland and wide and just being a posture of receiving what you want us to here today In that we would silence. The noise of the World L. Distractions and all the messages of what's happening but that you would just give us a just a great download and a reminder of what life's all about life to the fullest and the way that a ucs Lord through your Lens and not just through our temporal selfish lens. Help us to see ourselves as you see us so grateful for this time. We dedicate this time to you in Jesus name Amen Amen Amen Thank you amen. All right we're going to start. I love what you said. They're open to receive receive very important. You know when you listen to new content. They do so with open mind. This is you're gonNa hear some things that you heard before here some things that are no. You're you're going to Be Challenged today but you have to be in a position where you're open and willing to receive because you've got a roadblock up. This episode is not going to do a whole a lot for you Let down the wall be open to receive That maybe maybe just. Maybe God's none of us know and speak through him mm to implant something in your life. That's going to grow to an amazing harvest and without distractions that he said member. You said basically. Let's try to keep the distress destroyed because in the end I don't know how many times I've been listening to something. That's important to me and I'll have a distraction. It's almost like the devil sent in those. Someone distract me because I can hear this special part of this podcast so make sure you're distractions are limited totally that you don't miss. I mean literally. There's some gold nuggets that you could miss totally. So I think time bandit so. The bandits obey Nice. Good stuff all right so now You know I always try and set up with my guest beforehand to to find out what are some of the important things that you WanNa talk about on the on the show and it was interesting because you mentioned that you wanted to talk about people's stories and how your story is your greatest asset so we're going to start with yours right the good the bad the ugly from childhood from Little Noah up until today while you're doing impacting the world in so many ways Through your art through your writing through Masters Program Through your charities but one of the most complex of our day people look like. I'll never be that but that's what you have to start somewhere as well today. You were a struggling artist at one point in time right. You aren't always this world. Renowned Guy Super Accomplished wealthy. All these things. It's took time when you get there. The five pillars of impact are interwoven. All throughout your story. But let's start with you know. Start at the beginning. How you grew up and let's just go through the journey together? Yeah well well I'll kind of go. I was born in southern California And my parents split up when I was nine years old and that was a tough time for me. Because that's the two most important parts of my life happened right at nine years. Old One That's one of my parents split up to. That's when I came to faith and I had heard a great sermon when that was a when I was a kid. But the gravity and the reality of of Good Evil but also that Jesus exists that he is real. It landed in that room that day for me and I would just compelled literally altar call by myself took myself up and I was floored by this one guy I remember his. It was so powerful. And there was this little man that was preaching he was standing on tippy toes and just leveled me and From nine until twelve I I kind of went into this fight or flight mode because when my parents split there is Substance Abuse Drug addiction in our background. And you know you typically hear this of most families and dysfunction but you just go all right if dad's kind of MIA a mom's getting hurt trying to get herself better. What's happening for my sister and myself and when that wound from my dad when you when you left when I was a kid That that happened on Christmas and that was just such a left. Such an impression on me I went. I unscrewed man. Like what am I going to do and I gotta figure this thing out. I have off to. I gotta get a job and I'm thinking about this twelve. I'm like okay high schools coming up. I've got about a small window here. I gotta figure this thing out. I'm not going to have a full ride to school or go to a school. I had A. I had a crossroads and kind of felt like an anxiety mode throughout high school and junior high of am I going to play pro football. Am I going to play in a Christian band. We were touring at the time at sixteen going around the nation out of school Do My homework. Van and touring and then I was doing this art thing that I was already making money at it sixteen so I figured before I go and drive I can at least get on a bike and start handing out business cards going door to door and back then you can't you're not like Social media where I can post a picture today and sell it to Istanbul. Like a sketch for seven hundred and fifty bucks on social media like I can do that today but back then it it was all. Hey would you like to come to my gallery. Gina Mural in your house. Hey I can I was. I need that I'm not joking. I did interest rates market on your feet getting done honestly and if I can tell any anybody in in a you know when I intercept kids that are younger now I try to tell them because zero talking about how I started. I'm like the smartest thing that you can learn the art of people. The Art of people is the most important investment that you can make building relational equity and both of my grandfathers both worked at positions quaker state and Pacific Bell back at the time. Thirty six thirty six years. Each neither one of a mis- today in my grandfather passed a kidney stone at work. So so the work ethic and the idea of sewing relational equity into people and integrity was a big thing that I learned from my grandparents. So the Lord brought me surrogate fathers and great examples of what can be possible early in that season. Because in that high school stage. When I'm hustling going door to door selling doing It was it was gnarly was feast or famine and You know I would. I would do really well making two hundred fifty bucks a five hundred dollars a week doing odd jobs doing art and and in doing that at that age was big since I graduated high school Immediately moved into a warehouse in Newport. Beach Live live there and I realized Holy Mackerel showering at a gym and working out at a gym. And I'm living in this warehouse and pretty much homeless. But I'm not like I get to tell all my the money back into my company and so I just literally started painting anything and everything I could get my hands on. I would be a relational equity retire. Like building. Relationships right like Nordstrom asked me to come and paint inside their department stores and doing pop up shops and I'm like customer portrait's huge massive portraits on tee shirts shirts at the time You gotta remember this. Eighty everything was pretty pretty funky. And here's this I'm nineteen now. I've got a question for you because I'm sure a lot of listeners like myself are wondering wondering how did you even know that you were an artist like word that come front. Oh that was thousands. So you said I'm trying to figure out if I'm probably pro football amount of tore Serbian rock band or might be artists then. Yeah those are three pretty appealing Joyce. And you know when you're in when you're in high school so And as we navigate through life even this younger generation of millennials Z's they're they're looking at multiple options more options than ever. I had like a buffet to choose from. But I'm like a guy like I'll walk into a buffet. I need eggs and Bacon maybe oatmeal but most people walk in there. I want to eat and everything and it gets overkill and they get paralyzed by me back. Then I'm like Lord. Am I supposed to do you want me be a pro player. Do you want me to do music. You want me to do art which one please. I'm begging pleading Maranhao. I need to make some art. An ESL put some dollars in the door. Everybody else just wants one of those options. You got three well. Here's here's amazing. Wonder we're pretty good at football door. Close pretty quick on football because I blew out my knee my junior year starting tight end and I was already getting letters and it was on like okay. I'M GONNA go play for Ohio state arm and go play for. UNLV like ready to go. Play and I was Jonesing for it. I loved it I went through somewhat of a depression clubs really pissed lost opportunity So so I was very excited about that. I still love sports love game but now I'm down to music and I'm down to art so hold on a reverse back to the beginning of this podcast. I said about the players players. Totally Guy Giving gift for you to block your knee. I hate to say really was like okay. So here's what's interesting. I remember. Look at your look at your spirit in vibrant attitude and everything now. I mean literally. I'm not seeing ever football player. Doing that is going to get normally good here in just a second because awesome so when I show you some of these paradigms that the downloaded it changed everything and that's all I'm trying to spread that paradigm shift to everybody. Everybody listening now. I want to let you know like I've got a gift for you that you can download after this I want. I want you to know that you're not alone in this. You might seem like you got options or lack thereof but when you start to see your life and your time and your talent your money through the lens of eternity and how God sees you. I got good news for you today. So just hold onto the end of this thing. 'CAUSE YOU'RE GONNA. I'm glad that you listen when I when I when I started really focusing on okay if I'm going to really put my nose to this art thing and I'm living in this warehouse. I'm dumping all my money into it. What is this actually look like long term like cannot really build a career out of this and right then it was just like anything and everything that I could get my hands on? I mean one day I'm on a movie said Doing Tattoos Satu for Motorola commercial the next day. I'm doing tattoos for David Beckham on a commercial the next day. I'm painting the pool for MTV. Like for ROB and big I painted ended a full mural on the bottom of robin begs the next day painting the cars in the fast and furious that I'm doing I'm flying at Park City and doing a thirty thousand dollar mural installation relation and turning a woman's Feeder into the SEREN. Getty like it was anything and everything I could get my hands on. And so I was really grateful for that. And I was hustling and I was doing all this custom the mark than I. I had a midlife crisis at twenty eight. And this is really important for everybody to here in this story because you're going to have multiple midlife crisis it's not a one and done it's there's going to be multiples all right all right so because what's going to happen is as you get elevated into new assignments and new responsibilities. The stakes get higher decisions. Get more there's more gravity everything so at twenty eight. I got overwhelmed With a midlife crisis prices of I felt like I had the gift to create many different things but I didn't know what the niche was supposed to be. I was out on a cliff in Newport beach sitting with my drone nighttime I remember Hatami Hatami disc man that shows you how my ages was listening to my my my disc man. CD Player. I was listening to music. I grew up above cliff Omar. I wasn't like suicidal suicide or anything but I was at that moment where I'm like bawling my eyes outgoing. I fall down all these things. Success is great but it sucks this. This is way more empty than I thought it would be. I'm I I felt like a reached. The Pinnacle of Everest like the Summit of Everest at twenty eight. And this is it. I I wasn't that I couldn't go any higher more so like I thought there's going to be a lot more meaning and a lot more purpose and I felt like I reached the top of the ladder success. Jason realized that had been leaning up against the wrong building So funny hey we just said the other individuals say that on a podcast. Yeah and so that was that was haunting. And so. That's what paralyze me for minute. Now as I said on that cliff I lured the flip. Do you want me to do. I have no grid of mentorship at that time like in terms of anybody that I could go to I did have one major mentor mentor in my life. But I was like crying out for help. I found my identity in the type of girl that I had. What if it was like a woman that I could fix women that I could was like a trophy wife. The better relationship. I spent all my identity my relationships ships and so the common denominator all my bad decisions when it came to relationships and or jobs or anything that fell apart was me and that was hard when I went into counseling because as I looked at doc I went to my life is a mess but the common denominator only situations as me and I'm thinking that it's all the situations so he said that night he goes. Here's what I want you to. You Taint Your Journal. Unlike who's GonNa WanNa who's going to want to buy my journal are you out of your mind. He's a take all the take your story the good the bad the ugly the underbelly of your life and put that out on canvasses. I literally went home is literally like I just feel I had. Tears is for like a like a whole three. The months I started laying out cameras on the floor in the warehouse I started just like pershing and throwing stuff on it and like it was like playing in the sandbox. No rules just emotionally vomiting sitting on these things and they're about as big as your screen right there and a lined up six of them in the room and I put the highest price tag I've ever done like I was normally selling things for a couple of ground. These were like twelve program and I set up my gallery as nice as it could be. I just felt like we were saying. Do Everything in excellence. Take whatever you've got and make it the nicest that that you can with what you got no matter what the budget is. I don't care if you've got ten bucks hundred bucks a thousand bucks do the most you can with what you got and I did two days later later a guy pulls up in a yellow Lamborghini heard about me from somebody else says. Did you gotta go see this art from this. No Kid I go in. He comes walking and he's like oh I just about this. Big Old brand new halcion need art. Like I'll take four of those and I like sat there and went and he had me a check for forty eight grand and I sat there and went. Somebody just bought got my underbelly. Somebody just took the worst parts of me and made that a part of their life and wanted to put that in their home and it resonated resonated with him because when I described the the meaning behind each piece purging my soul is a title the invitation to receive the prices gift of serenity was another the other other one was heaven. Sent the other. One is Fear facing everything is reality and not having everything in running like so I was like I was painting. All of these stories where he's back then and he resonated with that he's like I get it. I need that reminder in my life and so now the art wasn't tangible just a tangible item. The Art was a memento. Well if something we both shared the other so the worst part of the winning of my life became the greatest asset asset and the solution for somebody else's need and that's when something clicked licht announced went. Hold on a second. This is happening at twenty. What do I want the rest of my life to look like then I had to get into the business of I can be a tattoo artist this and try to get some of these? Sit In my chair and paint one thing at a time. And that's the equivalent me writing a book selling that one book then writing that same book all over again than selling that book. I'd had to get into publishing either get into duplication IDA. I to look at myself as if I'm going to be on this earth with a limited amount of time. God started giving you this download of you have to duplicate yourself. You have to invest your precious time to create assets that go to work for you so I sorta creating original paintings publishing them. As Limited Limited edition prints posters and started doing the publishing world right at that moment. That's when Disney came in my life I have through a divine appointment and I had an opportunity to show three pieces to one of the leads in incorporate and she goes those are right on point with exactly what we want but I WANNA see Tattoos. I WanNa see what you've done with your angels and I WanNa see that done with our characters on like are you kidding me like you really want that. I'm like no problem Went home treated that series. Brought that back she goes. That's exactly what we want. We put six originals in the brand new Park California adventure that it opened up and and again I've just purged on that product and all of them sold within like the first ten days and and like that news traveled through the company. Really quick and so here I was on a cliff. You've gone. What the Flip Am? I GONNA paint. What am I gonNa make Lord whether you want to do with my life? I have no idea to them saying him. Saying take the worst and then what was my my version of the worst of me in the underbelly of of my story my life not only that resonate with that guy but then other companies started to see that and said hey how can we. How can we have more of that? So My my encouragement anybody listening is going what you think is the worst is actually what everybody needs to see because your wounds and the worst worst things I've ever happened to. You is actually a mechanism to help unlock. and He'll other people's needs and you become a solution for everybody's life now. In my case this this helped elevate things to a new level Not just in an being able to get the art work out in the more people but when we engaged in the relationship with Disney Disney I had the opportunity most people most people that engage with them do it from. Here's my art. I just handed over to you I wanted to. I'm a publisher. So I said I can do I can do the painting meaning printing the framing the fulfilment we do it all we do the entire soup-to-nuts the whole thing and so for the last fifteen years we've had that opportunity. Where we're doing all the fulfillment element with them and scaling? The business and that just blew me away that all that all came from the DNA of that moment of painting my wound man less amazing. That's that's chapter one. It's yeah it's a recurring theme with guests on this. PODCAST is You know Elliot Julia Bacar on here is big thing is turn your message to your message. Trend Shell in pain into power. You you know And it's so good and so said another reinforce story here that looked is it doesn't matter the what has gone down in your past. How broken you are Gaza News that canoes in a major way to impact others? I think about what I'm doing here with this podcast. Catalyst for this podcast. Existing was me going through a pretty dark time period of about a year and a half in my life Unfortunately a lot of times there needs to be these these low points in life in order for God to get our attention and then kind of pulled us into or future calling the and that's a gift but exactly here's the thing he just literally just said it that he vomited all over these fantasies. Okay with stuff. That in his mind is like not the greatest of life literally puts all this out there a guy pulls up lambeau and comes in here and write them a check for four thousand dollars and then here you see those. Were the gifts that God gave you from the past put on canvas and someone's willing to pay for it So I always say because I was you know I luke told this by someone else one of my Christian brothers. Listen you have a lot of gifts. Everyone listening right now. You have a lot of gifts that all you have to do is unwrap wrap them. I know this sounds crazy because you think of something that's happening to you. That you think is a bad thing like I think this whole back scenario I'm dealing with. There's a gift here somewhere. I don't know what is God will present it someday but in the end the beat to help other people but those kids that you have literally you wouldn't think that the knee okay. Okay do you blew out. That didn't end up the NFL career ends up being a big gift totally. Because it leads you really to where you're at today. I just want people to resonate understand. UNWRAP your gifts. That God's given you okay and there's another thing you said you said I needed to understand that it wasn't the people around me me. It was me that needed w fixed. It was me that needed work. I'm I'm same person. Yeah you're the common denominator and all your such right because you can look look at your mom and go. Oh they left you outside the bar and that's becomes your life or you can get your dad and say oh well he did this and that made me be the one that I'm actually to voice full or whatever it is whenever it may be okay. Stop looking at them and look at you and boy the faster you do that. You said it Amen Amen to that because I was is guilty of it for many many years and had start pointing the finger back at myself in the GNARLIEST is the second midlife crisis super successful artists. Your work with Disney Eh. Boom you hit the second midlife. Another one oh no you mean you're about it. Will it will happen. It will happen to everybody. Guaranteed guaranteed and it might be happening to you right now while you're listening to this. Which is why God's probably listen to podcasts? There had had to get to a point where there's three circles in life. The first stages Survival the second stage is success. Nobody he knows about the third so they're just thinking man if I can just get out of survival and just get my bills. Paid and put a little bit of money in the bank and Just Coz my way to retirement Tirmizi out of trouble if I'm a believer. I'm just stay out of trouble I'm not gonna I'm I'm just GONNA show up in heaven. How many Willy Wonka ticket? The Lord's can be proud of me and I'm well done good and faithful servant right very few people know about the third circle which is significance. And when I learned about the third circle and significance that's where I was I I was again rocked and my world got turned upside down. Because the Lord basically kind of gentle screaming whisper Kim alongside me and just said I've given you the ability to have influence I've given you the ability to cast a wide net it I've given you the ability to Create to make something from nothing He's implanted all this and each one of us. He's he's given us all individual unique DNA our spiritual. DNA is ten times more important than our physical DNA and most people don't aren't even aware of their spiritual DNA that your unique abilities that your unique potential and that's the influence that you possess and so when I looked at Man I'm by all means means like everybody by the world's definition would say things are successful. You're working with these brands here. Doing what you love you have a wife and kids you live in Orange County. The all of that looks. It's like you've hit the top right. It wasn't. I was so far from the top. I realized that I was at zero. Actually I was in deficit told Memphis it. I'm I'm a believer I have at all I'm way off. And it's like the man that comes out to the Lord and it goes Lord. What am I missing? I've got all this. I've got everything everything in the lower grades. There's one thing you lack. I want you to sell everything that you've gotten what you give it to the poor. Now why do you think that guy was scourged him bummed wasn't there because his possessions decide to go away. It's the fact that he didn't know any poor people. That guy was so out of touch with the fact that his whole entire life was just about becoming successful and getting things. It's comfortable that he was not even on the Lord's agenda he was not even on the Lord's economy he was not even seeing God's currency he was completely early blind to the spiritual realm. So here I am. Am I late thirties. mid-forties going I'm a believer. I know him. I don't really know him. God's given me this ability to have this awesome company and I may got asylum partner and I was destroyed. Brings tears to my eyes just thinking about this right now. US blown away just going. I missed the mark and he goes stop whining right. He goes goes he basically goes. I'm glad that you get it now. I guess forgive you because Are you ready to start the war. Yeah if he's if you're really awake now if you're truly awake to seek I my kingdom and righteousness all take care are your bills. That's Matthew six or three all take care of your family dynamics all take care of your kids all take care of all that but seek I my kingdom and righteousness. What does that mean? That means that I have to actually be all in Romans. Twelve one Paul says. Here's what I want you to do. I want you to take your everyday eating. You're going to work. You're waking coming up life and I want you to lay that down as an offering to God. That is your listen your greatest act of worship back to him for what. He's done John for us. But you know what I was far from living as a one hundred percent living sacrifice did you know there's in that stage of going from successes significance is literally when he asked Peter Goes. Hey Peter do you love me too and he goes do totally do. Do you love me do within leave that boat and go feed my sheep who you know where Peter's identity was in being a fisherman. Everything hinged on that his dad did his grandfather did everything that his whole life was defined by being a fisherman women. But when you truly lay yourself down you guys I want to give you the freedom of life right now. The secret of life is to turn yourself fin not as a believer. That's training wheels. Salvation is trading. What else coming to know who? God is and believing that Jesus died for your sins and salvation. That's you have a ticket get in the moment you become living sacrifice you've leaned on the sword. You are dying to yourself. That was I remember writing it on paper airplane at an event and threw it out. I wrote the word agenda my agenda my plans my ideas where God wanted to take my like Tim. Keller L. or did wonderful job illustrating this through one of his sermons. He says you know. Find one place in the Bible where you saw any individual where they came up with a great plan and ask God to bless it and and you quite frankly I cannot find one as project up book. Do it is check this out. This is what's amazing. God brought every every individual in an invitation. But here I get zealous and ice literally got a uniform. I'm in my army ten. I grabbed my weapon. Run out of the tent. I start blasting at everything. That's a typical believer new newborn. But once we know his word once we finally have all this truth we either take a detour and become a pharisee because we're super holy on the outside but we know nothing on the inside. We're not bearing any fruit. We're not impacting people. We're not bringing God to him or we're going to sit there and be super successful and just this campout with with knowing everything and Dude for me I just had to realize dude am I really all in have I told God that he can have everything financially intially or am I just going to hit my which is more than I tip him. I had this conversation. I had this conversation with my priest. this is what I spilled who I was and what was going on in my life and I remember him saying to me. I'M GONNA ask you one question. You have to answer this honestly so dig deep right now he said are you all in in. This is back when my wife and I were having some things about our past that were haunting us. We didn't love each other and all these are you all in. I've used at a lot because he taught me what you just said like literally are you all in I gave all of that in everything back then. I had no money like whatever he go. Everything it's all it's not ever going to be about me and boy did things. I mean surely skyrock. Oh Yeah skyrocket you What you just said? It makes me goosebumps because literally. I was not doing any of that until like what you did and the minute I did it could tears in my eyes to hold whole different me world. Hold it for life different. Everything talk about bills being paid and kids being taken care of exactly what happened is Yo- his yoke is easy going into in the business with partnering with a Guy That put you here which change your entire life and you can try to find A. You'll just try to fight it. You'll be on your own agenda and it's even going to be worse now at Technology Gene Distraction and everything. That's that voice. And that you people say I want to hear from the Lord and all that kind of stuff you are so flipping consumed and distracted that you're squelching out the voice of the Holy Spirit. Only way that that's going to happen he's GonNa break you down to the point of he's GonNa turn up the heat of your circumstances to get your attention and you're we're gonNA succumb to that like in a way that you're going to be like okay dude. I'm finally listening. It's going to happen with your health. He's going to turn up the heat on your health or it's going to happen in your career career where things are going to get so gnarly that you're gonNA finally pull him off the shelf and go okay dude. I'm listening. You got my attention to me dude. And so what happened open for us was when Sean tell and I went out on date night started with situations like this baby and we've gone on a date night every week for eighteen years that's investment. You can either pay for a really nice dinner on date night or you can pay for marriage counseling. You pick which one you want so we so we go at work because you let it go too far. You're right right so we go out. We go out and I said they are sewn got diagnosed with special needs at three on the autism spectrum. And that really rocked her world. Oh my wife was doing a wonderful job in the hair industry and just crushing it. I was doing my thing and we were working from home. I mean things were cranking but we noticed. Notice that the foundation of our marriage our home we needed to start being all in in terms of how does God see our life. How does God want us us? If we're making ourselves available are we. We truly saying Dude here we are Lord uses however you want well what happens do an individual when you say that typically I gotta give up this or I'm not going to be able to have that or I'm not gonNA be able to go on vacation or I'm not gonna be able to do that. There's all these things that you think that you'RE GONNA lose out on. Why would a loving heavenly fought? Why would I with my own? Kids deprive my kids of the greatest potential of why they're here. You follow him saying so you're follow wants come alongside. You'd say dude if you're willing to turn the reins over to take you to places more than you could ever ever comprehend or imagine I'm going to build things and I put you here on purpose. That if you let me take the flippin wheel I will literally take you journey and an adventure far beyond anything you've ever imagined but if you want to go do things your way go for it and I'll be here. We're waiting in the wings whenever you need me and you'll only call me when you need me and when you're on life support When somebody dies or when somebody has a baby or on Christmas Eve or on an Easter her? You'll you'll get in touch with me. We'll talk four times a year. But when Sean town I went out of that date night and we finally made a decision. We're believers we've had success but we I wanna lay everything on the line and most people think. Oh no now you're going to get asked to go and be a missionary somewhere. Did you want to be a missionary. Open up your phone if you have more than three hundred dollars on instagram. You have a mega church dude. I'm like how are you leveraging what you're sitting on at your house in your life in your community right now so I just said they would you WanNa do if you can have it any way you want fifty two million dollars in the bank. If you can have it any way you want. That's the question I asked everybody. I'M GONNA fifty million today. What are you gonNa wake up and do tomorrow and you know what most people say? I have no clue and miserable. And really what what shows you money and wealth which is amplify the current status status and temperature of your heart. If you're stingy and you give a little bit a lot of money just can amplify that stinginess and a little bit if you're an abundance in live out of a life of generosity duty and compassion it's going to amplify cashing your your generosity. And so Shaun talent. Made him a commitment. We stood there made a covenant with the Lord That We said Lord. We're we're GONNA lay all this out to you. Sean tells I WANNA quit are and sell our portion of the Swan you guys. This was in the recession to this weighs two thousand nine. Let's get rid of seventy percent of our revenue are income for our family while I'm building my brand my company. Let's giveaways let's take away seventy percent of our revenue right now. She's going to home home homework work from home. I built a rat a rat's lawn I'm going to keep doing. I was traveling being on cruise ships three times a three times a month selling art. You're a lot of art in the most prestigious places in the world but I was miserable because I felt in prison away from family So we had to start making decisions that were going to be on God's economy and not our own when you live on currency in God's economy it makes zero sense to the world so when you start running in the people that are like Sean telesis quit sold all the business. It's the recession you guys. You're out of your mind but you know what I'd rather go to bed knowing every single day that I'm in my right standing with my heavenly father that I'm doing what he's asking us to do because it's never gonNa make sense and the decisions that you're GonNa make as you're listening to this decision that you're gonNA make right now don't impact just. Is this life. You're on an eternal tyne line. The decisions you make today effect you four hundred years from now a million years from now and most most are thinking the here and now as when Sean tell and I turned that over this is where we got over the midlife crisis of were stepping in this new season and the Siam claim it then really started began. Then I started saying what are the problems and in this world. That are on God's agenda that we can partner with him and helping himself and for US special needs because of autism orphans specifically psalm. In if you read in the Psalms Lord Benz down over the Balcony of Heaven and lifts the orphan off of the ash heap. If I saw you Joel and I never met you and you walked in the door and I go. Hey Dude what's on your heart and what you care most about you say and and you know depending on what your your philanthropy depending on what your charity is. Hey I have a heart for this and I'm really into this. You just show me what you're where you're gonNA put your allocate your time reading God's word that the creator of the universe number one agenda on his heart is an orphan and a widow so if I want to go into in a business with somebody I just ask the creator of this universe. What's his priority? And it's the orphan and the widow loving God loving people bring people to him. So that's all I want. I want my life to be about. So if you're listening to this and you're a believer all God wants you to take your genius and your expertise and the meeting influence that you have leveraged that to build the biggest net to cast to bring many people into that process as possible. He doesn't want you to quit. Being amazing do real estate. Why would he take the genius that you've cultivated and just stop it cutting bill cord to go do something else? He wants you to leverage to genus. The influence of where you're blossoming right now. But take that amazing and weapon that you're using and just pointed at the right target. So Sean telling I had all the Gusto all the drive all the achievement. We had all of it but we had aimed at the wrong target target. We just wanted to get comfortable. And the Lord goes if you WanNa get comfortable abide in me and you're gonNA spend the rest of your life being uncomfortable but that you're gonNA defer your investment where you need it. Most ROMINA EXPAND IT thirty sixty one hundred x and we needed a positive things into my eternal account. Once you get here you can't outspend spend it and I'm GONNA multiply it. So Sean tell and I got on the kingdom economy. We started living everyday in light of eternity. When you start when you being an everyday knowing what the end and is it will change your life? So here's why you talked about this. Dan I thought this is so important. You talked about people that wake up miserable. They don't know what the purposes how mazing would it be to wake up tomorrow. Putting your feet to the foregoing. I know exactly who I am. I finally have peace of mind. I know why he's put me here more importantly I know what my Simon is. And I'm GonNa live that assignment and I'm going to ring that bell of Dot Bella success because it's literally ringing the bell of eternity and it's my heavenly father's agenda and his purpose. I came in those sweet spot of my calling. Now I rewind the tape but I go. Here's a little kid on a cliff going. Well how do I do that with art. So it's like a joke is almost like a job. It's like and the reason why I'm I'm I'm encouraged is if he can take David out of a field as a shepherd boy and elevate him to king. If you're on a treadmill walking your dog right now listen to this he will invade you in this podcast and take you from where you're at now and put you into the most supernatural moments and influence to change the world through what you have but my James says those who know the truth and don't respond to it and I believe this podcast is is a truth moment for some people for the first time they finally get it. James says a person that knows the truth and does nothing with it is the same person that goes and looks in the mirror in the morning and then forget who they saw in the mirror once they walk away. That man is a fool does a person that looks and forgets. Here's and doesn't do so. If the Lord is downloaded this to us today that's a sobering reminder to me of I now know what his agenda is I know why he created the world. I know why he put me here. I know why he sent his son. It all makes sense now. Holy flippant Mackerel. I WANNA partner with him for the rest of my days. I WANNA crush that bell of success. He seems saying so. That's a whole different purpose. Now when I get up and go do an art event or get on a plane and travel somewhere when people ask what you do. I'm like how long you got sure. So that was the second class was being all in not just ten percent wall and that story. I'm sitting here. I'm still registered and everything you just said which is amazing. But it's one hundred percent definition of do things that are so great that everyone around. You won't even believe it was even possible without the hand of God that everything you just said to get to where you're at. Yep so I yeah I have a definition behind that what you just described as this people go you know what that is. That's a life of faith. There's two things that must be present if a person is living life eighth. Watch this this bloom this this this changed everything for me. My mentor comes up and goes you know what people always say. Oh man limit on faith really. There's two things that must be evident risk endanger when I when I meet otherwise. There's no reason for faith. Why did you watch this? How many people that you know that have built foundations and have built big wealth creation and mechanisms that? Say Oh yeah when I die on. Give this all away. Will you know what God's Word says only done wall in the body the things get done in the body when you get to heaven. There's no need for faith because everything's realized when you're down here you're living on faith believing knowing that what God is doing is true. And that if you take tangible your assets your money and you've leveraged them for you put that seed in the ground that is faith in action. But if but if I really want to know persons faith I will see it in their life. I will see the abundance of the fruit that it's duplicating. So the Lord's going to give each one of us a huge bag if you're listening as you're getting a huge bag. Every single one of US gets a life with a bag of seed. Here's what some people do they take that scene and they stored in a house bill more Barnes bill more just just stock it away. What happens when seed does not get planted? It rots is what everybody wants to do. They just WanNa hold that thing. I feel so good I finally got seed finally dude I can take a breather. Finally I can go do that. You know when I ask everybody if you finally got some money. What would you do? I go to Bora Bora and hut over the water. Like your whole life hinges on. I'm going to Bora Bora because when you come back you still have no purpose and calling. Yeah bright and you're not gonNA find it in more Bora right. That's found internal so without baggage August. See the goal is plant. Plant plant. Plant plant the Lord's you can water all you want until all you want you can amend all you who's in charge of the increase. He is but what he wants to find. Distributors triggers not controllers of his assets. So if you and I all have the same resources time talent money and people those are that's his currency is relationships right. So if I'm planting into that every single day here's what most people do. God's not going to bring you more seed he's only going one bag and the most abundant. Sean telling. I've I've seen that every single time. We put all in all seed into the ground. More diesel trucks keep showing up with more seed. He wants to find distributors not controllers of his assets. He wants to find people that are. How big are you willing to go really? You're willing to go all in. You're willing to give your life to me not just in salvation that I saved you. But you're on the go all all in that means that that means that everything I'm GonNa give you you're gonNA go and distribute we call this being go giver right. I mean literally. You need something from me me. I'm here right time ten. Whatever you need tyler so literally? That's the go giver totally. Yeah and it feels really good to be that person versus just sitting there. Hold onto my seeds inside my shed totally well this. You're GonNa hack everything you know. We'll talk a little bit about productivity. But this means that you're gonNA take machete and start hacking everything in your life. You'RE GONNA literally try to get as much time as you can possibly get. You're going to start finding out ways that you're gonNA run your business. You'RE GONNA start running with specific people you're GONNA look for exponential growth relational every single decision that you're GonNa make you're going to look at. How do I make this an investment? I'M NOT GONNA waste it. I'm on spend it. So everything becomes heightened because you're running in kingdom economy everything is and it's all his anyways and that's what's really amazing like if Joel you dropped off your kids to me and said Hey. Can you take care of them for the weekend. I'm going to go. WE'RE GONNA go hang out and have a couple of weekend. You're trusting your greatest assets to me so when you show up. I hope they've got ice cream on their face and they're the happiest kids you've ever seen. I did well with them right. it's the same thing. The Lord has entrusted this life to each one of us how we doing without endeavor. He's giving you this ability to create wealth to go to a job to be able to have this family all all on lease all on loan but we act like we own it all my my car. My kids my my career. I built this. I'm self made. Dues paid really dude to not even close look at that whole movement. I'm like Oh no no. No that self is the other self. That's the underbelly. That's the bad side. That's self driven. All all on selfconsumption selfish. You see what I'm saying. That's me all AJI and that's where we get in trouble as when it's all on our terms and and that has a ceiling to it so when people are looking I don't know why I don't get any breakthrough I don't know why things I don't go to next level. Why isn't God? Blessing me Bro. You've been blessed the fact that you've been chosen put here on Earth Earth. You're just you're just putting a ceiling complexity on your own life. So Sean Tone. I had to get to the point where we're going to below the limits off. I'd rather live on his economy than anybody else's economy and by doing that. You're dying self and you're allowing yourself to be free man. You're speaking so much to me. This podcast is one of those that you know we do this. We record the episode so we can export it and help other people right but this is one that reaffirming so much that has happened in my own life in the past couple of years and I shared bits and pieces of it On other episodes but everything you're saying right now and this whole second midlife crisis that that you had which which I don't know what what number it was for me. It was one of them not even mid life. You I remember. He had his his first at the twenty eight years old There's just somewhere along the way crisis. Right where it's the crisis. Yeah were you are getting woken up to some things that you aren't fully under understanding right. Yeah so I should've bits and pieces of but man I. I went through a very similar wakeup call. God slapping upside the head moment in my own life where are gods and it was right in the middle of a very tumultuous time in business and in my personal life and Finally I I said and I had this stat to hear that. Says Freedom and surrender. Finally I just said God I cannot. I'm trying to myself. I don't failing miserably to navigate through these waters and I'm just surrounding this all to you. Help me navigate through and get on the other side of all of that At at same time I pose the question. What are you doing for me for eternity to impact attorney you you have a a big supplement? Company does nine figures. You've you've shipped fifteen million products that are helping people get healthy and fit you donate money. It's a charities like make a wish and no kid hungry and you're impacting lives here on earth. What are you doing? How are you having massive impact for eternity and I cannot answer that question that I was doing anything of significance? Besides Ivan's conversation here and there was I wasn't using is my platform. I wasn't using everything that God had to me on lease like you said right his act like I own it all I built this. You hit me when I first met you. I remember going with you in Vince del. Monte John Romolo am I remember going to Disneyworld And I remember someone walking up to you and going you Joe Marian and they recognized you. That should have been your first sign right there like literally. There's the first side of God's Messenger walking up to you saying you Joel Marian. Well wow I love your stuff man. Baba there's the power the power is. You're already already moving people and you weren't even trying but yet you're helping people but now fast forward in here this podcast exist all these different things that you're using for God's kingdom which oh I'm trying to say is that God Sends Messengers. It's a matter of what we do with it right. That was a messenger and they blew me out of water. I'm like wait a minute. What am I was some celebrity uh-huh our exercise? Thank God for the Internet. We have an opportunity to reach people that we could have never reached. Awesome rain at scale. You know Even thirty forty years ago so grateful Like I said to companies that I've own ron founded done some significant stuff when people look at it on the surface so joel successful right and you talked about from success the significance and this was the exact actually. Have the book with some book successes difference I. It's upstairs I know exactly where it is pulled out to black and red it cover Changed the game for me once I but but it took God again same cracking me one and saying asking me that that question that I had no oh good answer for. You haven't a lot of impact that's going to be over when people exit deserve. What are you doing? That's GonNa last outside of this blink of an eye and I wasn't I was I was just like wow. I'm a believer and I share my faith when I engage in commerce. One on one conversation when you give me the opportunity to do that and you know what are you doing with this platform you got. How many millions of people on your email? This was the last time you you direct to people towards me right so I had the same conversation that you had in God's a subprime stop whining Let's go oh you get it now right and I apologize really the the time that I had that apology. Conversation with God for not getting it for so long was I was finally the obedient. That's correct was finally obedient. And then I saw the fruit of it I sent a newsletter out was for the first time average did anything faith-based outside outside of health and nutrition send a newsletter out with the subject line was miracles and could huge open right providence. Remember it was on. What was this all about and I just was very transparent? The guy was doing a miracle in my own life a modern day miracle not turn water into John Apart in the Red Sea but a modern day miracle when I was cut at the end of my rope and I surrendered the situation God and I saw him show up in my life. And maybe you're at a point in time where you need. You need to do the same thing. That's right you're at the end of euro. You're you're in a situation where you mm cannot see the how you get to the other side of this thing terminal diagnosis for yourself or a family member. Maybe it's a son or daughter who straight so far from the person I know you've raised them to be in county every day. Maybe it's a marital issue. Maybe it's a divorce. Maybe it's whatever it is that's causing you pain in heart ache in your life right. Now that you've been trying to navigate through on your own and you're not getting anywhere are you open to a miracle because there's a God that wants to step in and there's a guy fits bigger than your struggle and then I gave some real practical. How do you make room in your life? For God's do a miracle does this happen. You have to invite it after invited so we sent that newsletter and at the end of it. I said If you're going through something regardless your personal faith if you're not but you're open to the idea. Yeah of God's miracle on your life and you you're open to somebody praying with you and believe in what you just hit reply. Give us much detail or as little detail as you want. And we'll some more privately and believe with you. We had ten times a response to that anything that we have done recently that month right and then that's when I'm like man I've been missing in the mark for so long. You know I had this captive audience here not churchgoing audience. Not But I. This is my ministry. This is my call like you said you have more than three hundred contacts. You have more three hundred people volume answer. You GotTa make a church right. It's everyone who's on the opposite side of your I fear of influence. That's right and for me. Gods like I've given you this ability tomorrow to create funnels to sell product to build followings six to build these big email lists what are you doing for me whether it you know. You don't some good stuff but what are you doing for eternity right and through sending that that. What's the start? That was the start of all this stuff and we started sending a weekly inspirational newsletter. That was faith-based then led to me getting on instagram. Um I'm and having a sharing these messages on another platform then led to this podcast. Happening and none. None of those things would be happening. You would be listened. Listen to this show you want to be sitting here as guests on this podcast. The person on the other side listen to this wannabe listened to it. If it wasn't for that midlife crisis of from success to significance. Anybody would look at what I've accomplished you know. Hanako accomplished in my life sitting in my home here. I was this this this moment of God cracking me one and saying you got you getting it all wrong here. You're missing it completely. I'm sitting in the house like this this the this is a beautiful home. This is anybody who will look at where you'll marian lives would say while I do hasn't made right but I I was empty. I was missing missing. I wasn't fulfilled. I actually was at a point in my professional career. Were I had lost joy I had lost fulfilment it and then reinitiating some of these things also allowed me to repair some things You know my relationship whereby partner which was sharing another podcast outcast. One hundred million dollar man. Josh pizzonia calls Joss to come to relationship with God for the first time in his life so Germany. Amazing things can happen when you open when you open when you raise your hand say Lord I surrender Open to receive what you got on your vessel or were in partnership. It's not just me. And then we check in with the rights right because that's how it is for so many people even folks who say I'm a believer. It's let me go about what I WANNA do. When we create my plan ask God the blessed? I'll check in with you when I need you right instead of being true partnership that's totally partnership ship is everything we're distributors not controllers. You were he created all anyway. It's it's only. It's all his anyway right. It's everything everything that were entrusted with. When you have the point of view that it's all God's anyway I'm just looking to spread the wealth totally and you get? We all get the same chance based on the parable of the talents of Jesus even given that analogy of like Whoa. We're all given time. We're all getting them and talent were all given Money certain amount of it and the question is what are we gonna do with it and so literally stewardship. So that's all I teach when I'm when I'm literally a sitting in a hotel or my studio. My Office Consulting Brands and Consulting and coaching high net worth individuals that have influence is making the helping them realizing that that is the way that your life will be measured at the end of the year life. You stand before the judgment seat of Christ each one of us are going to be measured based on what we do with our time tell in Cheshire Asia and the influence. Well how what. Basically what God's going to ask is what was the return on my investment of putting you here on this earth I invested with you I took out my checkbook and with the blood of my son I purchased you so you didn't have to be in hell for eternity so one year in the lamb's book of life. The second book is the Book of deeds. The question is this if he purchased us to put us here most of us will spend our entire life missing. The mark will be a ghost where living existing assisting. We're not a living being. We're not we're not human being where human existing and that's that's sobering to realize the biggest haunting thing is. WE'RE NOT GONNA fill that book of those things that say hey the Roi on my life is how many high fives on my getting. When I step through that door in the back of the courtroom into eternity how many people for in there saying dude you shared that with me dude? We have lunch together dude. You took time away from me to help me porn to my business. You give me advice on how to play the drums better you. You did like anything that you can be a fragrant offering back to your heavenly father of bringing people through your influence. If you're in a cubicle you work at Fedex you dig a ditch. I don't care what you do. Do you influence people every single day in your life so the question is what's his. Roi On you. If you're in business together God your greatest investor I'm thinking about that. We know that in the business world if you had an investor what do they want to return on their investment. They don't just want the Willy Wonka ticket. Oh Lord I'm here I just stayed out of trouble and I kept myself clean. He's like awesome high-fives. I'm so glad that you're here. Welcome to eternity for others. It'll be like dude you deferred everything here. You're in business with me together where it mattered. Most come and receive all your eternal rewards that you can never outspend by the way I have rank rank here. I have position here and when I found that out through scripture through revelation twenty one. How close do you WanNa work to them? In My heavenly father the owner of the business. How much and how close do I wanNA work to him? Where in eternity? How long's attorney very long time? So so here's the thing very long like this. I say that's like saying I'm GonNa go enlist in the army and I'm just going to be glad to wear a uniform food. I'm just glad to be anywhere in the army. No no where do I wanna be I WANNA be in the Oval Office with the chief commanding officer. I'm going to be as close as I can get in. That's my goal so if my one of my top strings achiever based on number two belief responsibility learner like those are those are my my thing so cheating is a big part of it but I achieved at the wrong direction I went for what the world offered. Diversify your investments and you don't roll from one in real estate in the next real estate and try to build your business too you know you know a million and a half off a year in the world standard of success. The enemy loves it. Why because it gets us on a hamster wheel where we're not bearing any eternally? We're not bearing any fruit eternally or super a busy for fried on social media everyday. Rinse and repeat. And we're living the status quo you ever seen fortnight where all those characters get caught in a corner and they're running but they're like in the wall all and they're not going anywhere they're not in the game not producing any fruit. Our heavenly father says those that get sober-minded realize that time talent money matter and that all of that can be deferred for an eternal investment. That excited me as an artist. And maybe just maybe say all right. I'm just GONNA turn everything. Watch this I'M GONNA turn everything in our life. My wife and I said everything in our life is going to become a performing asset everything everywhere. We go everything we do everything everybody. We talked to anything that we put our hands to any any time that we do is going to have a point where it starts and ultimately leads to saving a child and in South Africa through an AIDS AIDS orphans. That's an example. Because here guys let me show you the biggest blinds for leader and this is my own personal like this. Pretty disruptive with a lot of people a person that becomes a person that is a believer that has that can leverage influence in the marketplace and in their sphere of influence and in their culture and spends their time partnering with initiatives or charities. That are doing good things but not God things I'm just making people more comfortable in the way to hell. I needed to make sure Sean I need to make sure the Holy Mackerel were writing checks and checks and checks. And I'm taking my time away from my family doing things that are doing good things but they're not doing God. Things which easily with Jesus write a check for that. Is The Gospel. Being given to that child as a results of it Jesus came to fill my stomach but ultimately to fill my heart and the enemy loves it. Let me get a leader and give them tons of opportunity. So he gets taken out and he doesn't do anything that to help. Spread the Gospel in the Great Commission for me I went. Oh I missed the mark again. So there's like this subtle where the enemy then started saying. Oh I'll just get him off of the game. And just keep providing providing him more and more opportunity prestige power honor. Let's get him. Just ranking up again. The ladder of success. He's busy but he's not bearing any fruit. He's growing wineries stories but nobody can drink the wine saying it can get subtle as the assignment grows. You have to stay alert because as you increase in that assignment. You GotTa make sure that you're putting scores on the scoreboard

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Survivor Series 91: Captive Audience - Notsam Wrestling 265

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Survivor Series 91: Captive Audience - Notsam Wrestling 265

"We have officially made it. Welcome to survivor series week. This week are not saying wrestling. We're celebrating being there by looking back at one of my favorite survivor series of all all time this is not seeing wrestling is introducing your host from New York. Here is SAM. Hey Like me said at survivor series. Week less than a week away. If you are listening to this the minute that it comes out six days days removed. I don't think people get excited enough about survivor series. I feel like a little bit of damage has been done to the brand over the course of the last Several years and I actually really think that the brand warfare element of survivor series is at least giving something something back to it I think for you know the first not ten years six years of survivor series being a thing it was all about You know teams of five and then we were striving to survive but it became such an event. It was the thing that we could count on. I think uh over the course of maybe twenty years it became just another paper. You I mean there's a lot of great survivor series moments that don't center around the team Warfare Affair. You know you talk about US great but I would say Classic moments memorable moments. Whether it's the Montreal. Screw job whether it's the first Elimination Nation Chamber match whether it's the deadly Games Tournament and the rock turning heel so much stuff so many things Shawn Michaels and his brown tights. They've all happened at survivor series. But I think part of looking forward to survivor series was there was. There was a theme about the show. I love themed pay purview. We don't have very many of them anymore. And that's why survivor series having the brand warfare. I Know Corey Graves on his podcast. was saying that That there I need to be stakes in order for us to care but I disagree I think if anything it just adds something like at the end of the day. When survivor series was first introduced as as a pay per view of teams of five striving to survive? Why did they need to be teams? I don't know just because because it's the thing. Stop asking questions maybe be you know I think brand warfares the same thing you know we. We've we've spent enough time establishing that it's not about the survivor series. Elimination matches anymore anymore. So let's make it about something else. Let's make it about brand warfare and it's been great for Annex T so why not. I'm excited about it. I'm pumped I hope you are too And that's why I wanted to do a special podcast dedicated to a but before we get there. I did want to give a shout out to Dan off and wrestle pro over the weekend and I went to wrestle pros show in Ralway New Jersey their last show of the year. Russell pro is a small independent organization. That has run out of Ralway way. New Jersey started by Pat Buck. Who is now a producer for? WWe You know him as the guy in a suit the gets beat up in every single segment geman that our producer needs to get beat up in pet bucks the guy that does it you also know him as the guy from the Internet the punch big cast in the face at one of his shows. That was pat. Buck Pat Buck and of course. He started wrestle pro before He was working for. WWe He's been on the podcast couple times. He's he's been a friend for a long time he also runs creative pro with Curt Hawkins. That's a wrestling school. That's in both Ralway and Long Island. That's the school by the way. That trained 'EM J. F.. And a bunch of other people that you're gonNA start seeing pop up which is just amazing to see enter only being a few years in business to watch the level of talent popping out of that school that is popping out of it is pretty remarkable but I say all this to say wrestle pro and something special special man. It's a really cool experience to be a part of it's a it's a organization that to me. You don't get consistency a lot in independent wrestling promotions agents and Russell pro does that. Wrestle pro gives you good old-fashioned classic independent wrestling and they put on good shows every single time. I don't have a a lot of time in my schedule to go to independent shows you know and I tried to start at the time but when I have a Saturday night that's free and russell pro is running a show in Ralway you you can count on me to pop up. And that's exactly what I did on Saturday however on Saturday I made it a point to be there because on Saturday Dan. Moth wrestled What is now going to be his final match in Russell? Pro Dam off is a guy I've known for a long time. I met Dan Moth When I a was called by a guy named Steve Mac Steve Aka Monster Mac. He called me. You know ten years more than ten years ago years in years and years ago many many years ago I I was. I was a producer for radio show called Open Anthony and I was reaching out to independent promoters now saying hey hey man. Is there anything I can do to help you with your show. I'm not looking for payday. I'm not looking for anything I'm just looking to be involved in this world and one show finally said okay it. I was here locally in Westchester. And they let me be a referee and a boxer wrestler match involving Larry Sweeney Sweet and sour. And I met Steve Mac at this show and Lo and behold steve called me and there's a couple of months after he said. Hey Man I know you're looking to do more wrestling stuff but we're we're looking for a commentator at Jersey all pro wrestling. We run shows every month. And would you WANNA come down. Maybe do some commentary force and I said are you kidding me. I would love to He gave me a shot when I'd never done any kind of commentary I'd never done anything and it was whatever I mean. It's just you just beat himself. He's good dude. The Steve Mac and I went down there and I was a part of Jersey zero pro for probably a year and a half or so There last year and a half of doing regular shows and at Jersey. All pro is where I met a guy named Dan. muff Dan Mafia was a guy. I mean big as a house. The bore Equa- beast the baone bad ass Dan off and I love Dan off because of the level of intensity that he brought to every single performance every match every Promo every everything Dan mop mafia brought things to a level that you could not believe at one point they said you know we would go get promos. It was just a thing that me and this Guy Mark Clemson. Who's doing commentary with me? Did we go get PROMOS. And so I went and and he was like you got moth little. Did I know what I was in for Mafia. I think he had just come off a loss. There was some reason that he was super extra intense. And I swear to you we did not have a conversation sation beforehand. We did not talk about what was going to go on. I said Dan Moffzoah. And so what's the haves. I don't know what I said to him but he grabbed me by the shirt collar on camera and threw me as hard as he could into a stack of folded up chairs. And I said okay. He's the real deal. He had had great match after great match. It was every single time he was in the ring. I look forward to it and later on when Russell pro kind of took over the railway REC center the Promotion. That run ran that building every month Dan Moth started becoming a a regular wrestle pro and he had this whole we'll second life on his career and I mean I see the guy. Now he's in better shape than I've ever seen him in. He's having better matches than I've ever seen him have. He's just amazing. Seizing and there've been a lot of times in my life where I've sat there and I've wondered. Why isn't there more of a buzz about him? Why isn't he a bigger deal on the Internet? Why aren't more promotions? Trying trying to sign him. What what's what is it and I think it's just one of those things because it hadn't happened until it did happen and it was announced this week that Dan Mov or last week? I guess since Monday the damn off was had signed a contract with ring of honor and I am so happy I mean Damn Emma is a guy and you can take a lot of life lessons out of professional wrestling but this is a big one. Dan Moth is a guy who had every reason to say a well. I made a go of it. Obviously it's not gonNa work out for me. It's time to move onto the next thing and just stop but it's the only thing that Dan mov never did did was stop. He just kept going. He kept going. He kept getting better. He kept having good matches matches. And you just stop he and sit there and go like well if I get signed this year. Then I'll keep going but if not I'm just GONNA quit and I'm sure you had those moments. Everybody does no matter what your profession is but he just didn't stop. He said this is the thing that I wanNA do. I'm just going to keep doing it until my body doesn't allow me to do it anymore. And eventually somebody will notice or they won't but that's not what it's about and guess what they noticed. Dan Moth is going over to ring of honoree at his last match and Russell pro against a guy named I'm Shaun Donovan. It was a phenomenal match and it was really cool to be there. Live and see it so any of you. Guys that are ring of honor fans be on the lookout gaffer. Dan Mov He's great I should have had him on the podcast years ago. But hopefully I'll have them on the podcasts at some point. It's just one of those things I've known him forever and it just never. I guess it's never come up but probably my fault. So congratulations big time. Congratulations to Dan off. He's the man and now I want to move move in to a little survivor series. Talk so on Thursday. Not Sam Thursday. We will get into everything going on at survivor series. We're GONNA go over the car. We're going to go down the whole deal but today I want to give you guys a little taste. There's a show that I do call. Captive audience is a spinoff show of not San Wrestling. Haven't done one in a while but I want to get back into them especially as the holidays start and I have a couple of off days. I'll be able to get some people in here to watch some wrestling shows. I love doing captive audience shows because in captive captive audience I take somebody wrestling fan or non wrestling fan and I show them a show that they are not familiar with. And it's I try to explain into them. The context of the show who what why when and where and why. I think it's awesome and you know what why this this why I'm a fan of this and we do it as we watch So today I have a hot dog. I've talked about here on the show before hotdog is important needs a wrestling fan. Although he wasn't watching back in the day And he's also the only person I know that at the Royal Rumble in Twenty Nineteen predicted that Kofi Kingston was GonNa win the royal rumble and go onto Wrestlemainia and win the WWe championship. I said your total idiot hotdog. It'll never happen. I sat there giant Stadium I watched Kofi Kingston at Wrestlemainia Win The wwe championship. I said hot dog. I guess you're hired. You got a job for life so today. Hotdog joins me and I show survivor series. Ninety one for the very first time. That's our interview segment. That's our state of wrestling segment. That's the whole podcast. We're not going to watch the whole pay per view we're GonNa Watch from. We're going to watch the last hour and a half or so Just because you know you guys have lives to live. I can't I can't lay down a three hour. PODCAST podcast for you and expect you drop everything so this week. A very special edition of Nazi wrestling as we get hoped for survivor survivor. Series here is of viewing of survivor series. Ninety one feel free to watch along with us if you got. WWE network if you don't it's free anyway so you might as well being a captive audience with me and with hot dog right now. The Not Sam Wrestling interview. So as you've already heard today a very very special day in not Sam wrestling here special. PODCAST we're going to be watching survivor series. Nineteen ninety-one now with me is somebody who I think has been mentioned here on the podcast before you've gotten to know maybe on the Jim Norton Sam Robert Show on Sirius. Xm May have gotten to know him. On Sam Roberts. Now the Youtube I'm show two civilians I describe him as maybe my producer. Maybe my videography. Maybe I mean he's a man of many titles but to as wrestling people people I could just tell you he's my young boy. Hotdog is here special guest. Yeah special guest hotdog now hotdog. You're here because you know. I think you understand this concept. The captive audience concept is something that I've done patron with a whole bunch of different people but the idea is that I put on some wrestling that I like or in some cases don't like it doesn't always have to be good and I'm not gonNa tell you in advance whether this is good or bad because I'd like your reaction but it's something that you haven't seen before before now. Usually this is non fans jess. My wife is a frequent guest on this on this segment. But I've found out as we were talking talking about survivor series that you only really started watching. WWe In what ninety six ninety seven ish ninety seven maybe even early ninety eight. Wow so what did you see the screw job no so it was definitely ninety eight Montreal Scrooge I was survivor series. Ninety seven November. I mean I guess it gets muddled up because you see he clubs all right. You're the youtube generation. After all you say you know we have like resentment the yes yeah. Well I decided to go all the way back and go to survivor. Series Nineteen ninety-one. We're coming at you from the Joe. Louis Arena in Detroit this survivor series now up until this point dog survivor series weren't even on Sunday nights survivor series. At first from I mean what year did it start. I think this was the fifth so like one thousand nine hundred eighty six. Maybe it started six hundred ninety seven. It was on Thanksgiving night every night. That's hers says that's what survivor series was this survivor series. Ninety one show was the first show. They did on Thanksgiving Eve and also became a tradition for a few years after that before or the eventually they moved to Sundays. And sometimes it wouldn't even be about thanksgiving. I know that sounds like a good premise. Just keep it that way. I mean Thanksgiving giving you the thanks Thanksgiving tradition and to me growing up. It was one of my favorite pay per views. It was one of the big five that was five on five teams of five five. Strive to survive. There was a gimmick going on. It was a whole thing but I feel like if you started watching in the late Ninety s survivor series. Probably the most most if not the most important show in the world to you now right yeah you just think about the scrooge that's like the one highlight from it and then I can't really think of any big league huge moments well. This is a big huge moment. WE'RE GONNA go to survivor series ninety one and I'm not gonNA keep you all here on the podcast for three hours so if you go to your wwe network. You won't hear here it. You won't see it you'll be able to watch along with us go to the. WWe Networking Click on survivor series. Nineteen Ninety one. Now there's a new function on the WWe Louis Network that will allow you to go to a certain point in the event. This point that we're going to is one hour eleven minutes and sixteen seconds into the event. We're going straight to the undertaker versus Hulk Hogan for no other reason than you got. Got A lot of stuff to do this week. I don't want this to be a three hour extravaganza if you guys really want us to bring hot dog back we'll do the first hour and ten minutes and we'll put it up on Patriot or something like that but for now we're going to go. We're going to start with undertaker versus Hogan. I'll give you a little backstory into what's happened on on this pay per view prior to this match once we start but I want to make sure everybody got their. WWE networks ready now. You have never seen this paper before hotdog. Nope how familiar with you with with nine hundred ninety one era. WWe Are you. I know this is around the time that ric flair was around for a little bit he was. Here's the real world champion. Undertaker debuted reviewed in one thousand nine hundred eighty drivers. Here's one thousand nine hundred a year prior to this the undertaker had made his debut Hogan I guess was kind of on his way out. Maybe not quite yet. It was the it was the tail end of Hulkamania. I guess but I mean I so this would lead to to you'd have rumble survivor series. Ninety one obviously Into Royal Rumble. Ninety two where Rick flair would win the title into Wrestlemainia. Eight eight where Hulk Hogan would have his first last match but he would be back for Wrestlemainia nine obviously and resume eight. Main event was flair savage And then sit hogan okay but flair savage was the title match right. But let's get into it. Let's start this thing. Let's go to one eleven eleven sixteen. And when I say go we're GONNA go around and select the box it says undertaker versus Hogan and here. We go hit play okay hang on. WWE network issues. We're going to get they're gonNA play yet and now they're it is. We're hitting play there it is. There's a kid crying in the audience. There's a kid crying in the audience because the undertaker this is the real undertaker for they replaced him. The real undertaker undertaker is making his way down. The aisle with Pallbearer look at that Panama. Look at these kids. They're terrified this kids in the hall. cogan outfit he's always being consoled old by his mom. Paul Berries scared me more than undertaker because pallbearer was legit yes expressions and everything. 'cause I yeah I think Paul Bear like eats kids. Maybe yeah yea look this kid. Maybe he's just wiping his nose. But I see the fear in his is not I see it so the undertaker here believe it or not is only twenty Six years old six as he walked to the ring of course. He's got his Hulkamania casket with them. We've previously Seen the undertaker on the funeral parlor he has already locked the ultimate warrior in airtight casket. Do you have any fond memories of that. I mean when when you're a kid growing up in the early nineties. The undertaker locking the ultimate warrior in a casket is something that we remember like forever ever no memory of it. Look it up on Youtube. You have to see it airtight casket. The undertaker locks the ultimate warrior into it and we thought we were going to get a big ultimate ultimate warrior undertaker rivalry but then ultimate warrior left right So instead we end up with something even better for the undertaker as Hulk Hogan comes out in the hawk. Stir rules era shirt is after hulk rules. Okay coming out the people in Detroit just losing their minds Hulk Hogan looking around going. I can't believe I'm doing this again. This is ridiculous figures. You have the action figure. That's a funny thing that they did a close up on because he's wearing a WCW championship like whoever that kid is put a toy. WCW title on the Toyota Hogan Spoilers. Yeah guess what you know. Apparently we have a little soothsayer there in the audience. Now there were a couple of things. I'll coke is not afraid of that casket. Who Do you think? He is Kamala now one year after this. The undertaker would officially be a good a guy. And he would the first casket match on pay per view against Kamala. That's that's where undertaker will be a year from now But Hall Kogas coming out. He's tearing off the shirt. This was also very interesting because usually on pay per view. The pay per view ended with Hulk Hogan unusually on live events Hogan went on before intermission. Get to go home or you go onto the next show. Sometimes Hogan would work to live events in one day so so he worked the match before intermission head to the next town to the be show and work the main event there but on a lot of the big shows Hogan would work Before intermission and go home after that the idea being you give somebody a big match before intermission and they stick around for the rest of the show. I think but you've even not for usually on paper view. He's main event every he's made event city baby. He's the last match on the show. But this time this this time. They are Having Hogan and the undertaker in the WWe championship. Match in the middle. Of the show. which I think is probably because of what the outcome ends up being well? What ended up being the main in that? We're going to watch the main event we're going to be here for it will be here for the main event and I'll get your take on and now this is a big survivor series because it's coming off of one of the biggest things to happen on superstars of wrestling in one thousand nine hundred one and that is not the the undertaker putting the ultimate warrior in a casket. It was another ridiculously huge angle. There were a few ridiculously huge angles from superstars as of wrestling in ninety one. Shaw Michael Throwing marginally through barbershop. We know that has yet to come. That has not happened yet. In the air that we're watching ultimate warrior. Getting put into the Casket Jake. The snake snake getting squashed by the earthquake is one of them but more recently and actually on the Saturday before for this nine hundred ninety one survivor series. It was jake the snake Roberts as a heel having his snake. Bite the Macho Man Randy savage avid. I remember okay. Now remember that because it was one of the classic angles of all time And what happens is the main event of this show. The the big four on four tag is supposed to be sed- big boss man And the Legion of doom verse is is the Nasty Boys no big boss man and a legion of doom versus the natural disasters. Astor's IRS. And Jake the snake Roberts right but we find out at the beginning of this. Show that Jake. The Snake Roberts birt's will not be wrestling at survivor series tonight. He's suspended for tonight. However we also find out from president inject tiny the Macho man? Randy savage is being reinstated which is what the campaign was all about. He hasn't wrestled since wrestlemainia seven because he lost a career ending match to the ultimate commit warrior. He's been on commentary that Wrestlemainia seven was his career ending match. He then gets moved to commentary. He becomes a baby face color. Color commentator. The reinstate macho main campaign comes in and his rival re would j snake Roberts is what brings him back now was that all I or storyline and whereas what is going on behind the scenes macho man yelling commentary. I think that Macho wanted to take a break. I think that Macho from what I've heard heard didn't just didn't want to be in the ring as much right. And then I think he might have got the bug back in. They realized that they need Macho Man. especially if Hogan is thinking about leaving right Because I I would see macho man on commentary for like old matches but I never really. I just figured like maybe this is just like at the end of it but it doesn't make sense and if you wwf you watch. Yeah if you watch nine hundred ninety one era sometimes. There's the power of the earn pallbearer in the power of the earn as Gauguin's choked doc down the road. If you watch nine. Hundred Ninety one era superstars and Macho man doing commentary at Dastardly Pallbearer. You'll see macho. Sometimes wearing a t-shirt that says reinstate macho man. He's getting the crowd to chant reinstate macho reinstate macho so the campaign ends is but you would think well. Maybe they'll just add them to the survivor series match now but instead. He can't wrestle tonight but he can wrestle after tonight macho luckily so he will have a match with Jake. The Snake Roberts at the soonest possible time. which is this Tuesday in Texas? So when you tune into this pay per view you find out. There's going to be another pay per view on Tuesday. This is Wednesday. You find out on Tuesday. They're going to do another pay per view. And and that's where it's going to be Jake. The Snake Roberts pay per views like that. They never did they. Just did this one time just to see. Let's roll the dice. Let's just see okay so so which already feels and so jake. The Snake Roberts since macho man won't compete Jake. The Snake Roberts is suspended and so sid is also not competing beating so now the four on four match has become a three on three match. Big Boss Man in Legion of doom versus irs. In the natural disasters the real story is that said had a torn in BICEP. I believe right. Yeah sounds like a whole mess a complete messianic little bayton switch. 'CAUSE NO J. Snake Roberts no said but we will see macho versus Jake but we will have to buy another pay per view. You guys you guys yeah. You won't see it unless you buy the papers. The cool match having next. There's the undertaker now. He I loved when he did that. When we get close line and he would go right over the top rope but land on his feet? It was such a cool thing. I mean you know how good the undertaker is as as a character when this he'll undertaker this version the real version of the undertaker as he was intended to be Could Only I. I mean he was a good guy he was a good guy by wrestlemainia eight so he was only able to be choking with the camera court by the way it. What's so fun you'll never see this on? TV now but this was like a regular part of he'll tactics in WWe in the eighties and nineties. Early Ninety nine plug that camera. I know it's Today's issues Yeah because you can't see it then cares if he's getting choked if you can't see it But yeah the undertaker couldn't even stay a bad guy a bad guy for a year and change you know about a year and a half. He was able to stay. He'll but eventually they had to turn them into a good guy because he was popular Taylor and he would be a good guy from wrestlemainia. Eight all the way until The Ministry of Darkness Era. I don't understand how you can be popular and get cheered when you got Paul Heyman on your side. You mean Pallbearer pallbearer size season. Yeah he got shared a lot. Pallbearer became a good guy. Do Yeah tell their face. This is interesting here because it was also like so. The undertaker has become one of the best wrestler of all time. But here a he's so in character that has offense is barely anything chokehold after chokehold. But he's not doing moves but I think that that is because back in the day and this is you know people talk about like real human lake. A real bad guy doesn't do things that make you cheer and this is the undertaker taker. I in my opinion I think protecting this character and not doing moves that is going to. They're going to amaze people right now. You don't want to get a potty. Are Your mood now. He's moving like a horror movie moving like he's like he's as Ambi- like he is. He's the une dead and you know leave it to the undertaker agai performer. Former on this level to take character that really is just go out and be Zombie in a tie and turn it into something. That is this compelling. I just love this undertaker. I also love looking at that Hogan in the front row. I love that guy. I've I've remembered him ever since I saw this the first time in Nineteen ninety-one. Yeah I feel like this'll be the equivalent of like the W.. Zombie became a huge mega. Exactly greatest wrestlers of all time. Exactly yeah exactly. Now I watch this show live is living in the UK. At the time I would've been what eight years old. I wasn't born yet. You were not born in Nineteen November of ninety one. You were not born yet. In one month's time December of ninety one year more. Oh what a great month. That was lucky that the dreaded head vice a lot of people have gone down. That's the that looks like the von Erich Claw Hogan got the shoulder. Now this is also while we're you know we're talking about the idea of Hogan winding down. Because he would he would spend the next next year or so winding down from at least this first run of his. WWe career but still this is Hogan while people are starting to get a little bit tired of him. Yeah this is still the never gets beat. three-time wwe champion like that number is a big deal call Hulk Hogan because this was maybe like it's been like six seven years right. Well let's Hulkamania has been running wild. I'd say yes. Seven years about Hulkamania has been running wild nonstop You know he's He lost and He lost the title around Wrestlemainia. Four he wanted to and they had to have the tournament remember vacated the title. That's when Macho man won it. He won the title back at Wrestlemainia. Five he lost the title Wrestlemanias six to the ultimate warrior He won the title back at Wrestlemainia. Seven from Sargent slaughter. And so this is your theoretic realistically. I believe he has not lost here here since he on pay per view anyway on TV since he lost the ultimate warrior wrestlemainia six in a very very hard fought match which was supposed to be a passing of the of the torch then but they were like. I don't think so never mind. Yeah Yeah Oh yeah we need your bag also macho man. Get Out of the booth so macho in is not in the booth For this pay per view I believe Gorilla Monsoon Bobby Heenan commentator. Wasn't this back when like You wouldn't see Hogan again performing live event. That's not aired. Oh yeah you wouldn't see him. It would be extremely if he was going to be on WWF superstars or whatever the TV show was it would be like like for like they would literally advertise next week on. WWe Superstars a special interview with Hulk Hogan Right and it would be Cogan at the podium with me gene just cutting adding a promo and that would be like the main event look at flying clothesline from the undertaker C. That's when it was like. Oh maybe this guy is capable of something and he's going to turn to to the mysterious earn the powerful powerful earn now earlier in the night. the two matches tell you that. We've we're watching here. hotdog are two four on four traditional survivor series matches now some something to note about this match. This is the the first singles match at a survivor series in history really. They're never before before this match every match. uh-huh tombstone coming up baby tombstone city boom. He kicked out of the tombstone. I don't think so okay. I got scared believe it. He can't believe it area. He's all gone up boo. Have you ever seen a whole cup talk. Listen I'm not the biggest fan but I've got a pop you love. That did not see that coming. So you've never seen before. I know it was coming then. I'll watch is this Harry. Come boom wait a minute. Is the undertaker. GonNa go down staggered. Because you're going to go down. I think one more one more out of me. They can't believe that Hogan's looking what I did to him. He's done I ne- More No. He's back up. Reagan August is. That's okay oh here comes the real world champion the nature boy ric flair big scoop and a slam Andre Slam and finally takes the undertaker off his feet. He's just here to watch. I'm sure he wants to know. Why Paul Paul bear look like he's going for the ankle and now Rick Flair is out here now rick flair? Of course he needs take his hands off trailing Rick. flair had been threatening Hogan for some time now boom hits him Rick Rick. flair came out with the WCW NWEA championship. Yeah so he came into the company without he came with title. Yeah yeah the. NBA was not too happy but he had it and they said send it back and he said no big boot. You know what's coming next hot dog. Oh opposite rope. I don't know why you go against that rope. Oh no no no no. It couldn't be tombstone coming up. Wait a minute I gotTA chair take that out out of their flares. got a chair Hogan to stone hard on the chair. No not like this and going to be kicking out of the tombstone right. Oh Oh look at the kids in the back. They couldn't believe it hot dog this. This shocked shocked the world. I'm sure because this is like A. Nobody thought this was going to happen. It should be like if Bray Wyatt had actually beaten John Seen Gene at Wrestlemainia. Like it'd be the coolest thing ever but they'd be like really right because sacred was still like a year in one year. Yeah really really early shoop early early. Yeah I mean nobody saw it coming especially like that flare comes out so flair was the real world champion. He was walking around with the W. W. big gold title. He put the chair under the thing. Baba here's something interesting though. It was this paper view that they started blurring out the title and Jack Tunney said it was because it wasn't a an official wwe championship. We won't be showing it on TV but the real reason was because WCW said enough is enough. That's our copyright copyright material. They did eventually have to send the belt back. They couldn't use it on TV anymore so ric flair when you saw him just then when a title foul from his Waist Yeah Rick Flair was walking around with an old old tag team championship title on so and so they would blur out on TV. So you couldn't see it but if you went to a live show you'd see Rick Flair hold up the title and it was just an old tag team team championship. So what was the contract expired but WCW still a replica. I'm guessing they were using at the time right. I don't I don't yeah or something. Yeah or or they had like or that might have been when they introduced the WCW championship instead of the Nwea Championship. That's crazy but yeah it was nuts. It was a big deal at the time. What happened nowadays? Well no last time. It happened under ablaze throughout the title and the garbage and WWe sued So there are people have said that Hogan did legit aged get his neck hurt on that tombstone that he did get his neck jammed up On that tombstone But Yeah I mean people in shock that one one guy miniature Here's Pat Patterson. Who else is over there? That's chief Jay strongbow. It looks like WHO's the Blondie Rene Goulet earl habit her to WHO's who yeah? This is like the Pat Buck and Adam Pearce's pierces of their day. Here's Dani Davis Yemen. Hogan is down. Hulkamania has died. That's Bobby Heenan is saying right now. Hulkamania has died so the matches that we didn't see earlier on were It was four on four the Mountie ric flair Teddy. BIC and the warlord board by the way with all their managers because this is when all the bad guys had managers so it's the Mountie ric flair teddy. BIC and the warlord with Harvey Harvey whipple men. Jimmy Hart Mr Perfect and sensational Sherri. I figured in this era bobby. Heenan was managing everybody. This was when Bobby Heenan had started to step away he was only any with ric flair at this point. Okay the Heenan family was no more. I don't think they went over. Bret Hart the British bulldog Roddy Piper and Virgil is when Virgil was getting that. Big Baby. baby-faced Virgil a million right after he'd left head dic. We also skipped. Jim duggan hacksaw. Jim duggan Sargent Slaughter Texas Tornado. NATO and El Matador Tito Santana versus and winning over the Brassiere. Ker Colonel Mustafa Hercules and skinner Ano- they know half those names. Wow I wish. I wish we'd watch that but there's only so many hours in the day so the children I know the children are crying. Hogan is being. He helped up. He can't believe this well. At least you're going to get put in that casket. At least he didn't get put in the casket that's right disappear like ultimate warrior. Yeah now now Obviously there needs to be a hulk Hogan undertaker rematch right. I mean I would think so. You know steel chairs react. They're all that you you know all that interference. When do you think that they should do the rematch? Do you think they should go like summer. Slam or something or royal rumble survivor series Rumble or hold hold onto wrestlemainia. How about this Tuesday in Texas baby got to get that pay per view on Tuesday? So now you've got people like well. I mean that's cool but to get the ending to the championship match and build the survivor. Series story with Jake Roberts and Macho man we gotta buy another pay per view. It's an additional additional pay per view extra content. We're also GonNa do Bret Hart vs Dinner So if you want the rest of the check it out. I'll be fifty nine ninety nine. There's all Cogan. He can't believe he can't believe what's happened so What was it was in your house? Pay Per view was that no the No. He didn't start until ninety five. It was literally called this Tuesday in taxes view from Nineteen ninety-one. Look it up on the network. I I don't remember if we've done. Watch a captive audience with that or not but maybe next time I bring you in here. Now you're gonNA WANNA see Tuesday and see see what happens mean. Gene cannot believe what's happened here flabbergasted. He's flabbergasted I mean he's supposed to stay you know straight down down the middle but he can't believe it we zoom in and see that I love by the way that they don't pull what Disney plus did with the simpsons and try to make everything wide-screen that have you watched stuff like this on the network. It's still in its original square standard. You know I mean if you're trying to watch it for I think like something that you watch the kid you want to write how you remember. It should look like this. Yeah there's Piper GonNa Promo fibers talking about flare or so. It was really interesting. What was going on here because clearly there was a thought to do Hogan vs flair? They never did on pay per view but they wanted. I believe my as I look at this now. I think they wanted to build the Hogan vs flair. And so they have flare in this thing but right now Hogan's occupied with the undertaker obviously still and and Roddy Piper and ric flair. Actually where the first WHO. That was flares I rivalry and wwe was with Roddy Piper. I'm guessing there's some politics or something involved by. Why wouldn't you do Hogan and Flare Layer Hogan's biggest thing? I've I've asked many times I've interviewed Hogan and asked him Hogan are no brother. Some things don't happen like when stuff doesn't happen with Hogan he acts like he has no say over. Anything does happen ended in. Yeah he had a lot to do with it but when stuff doesn't happen like I just do what they tell me you think Hogan's is walking around going on tonight brother. But they said they. They said they weren't happy with it at live events. They said that it didn't drawn didn't have chemistry and so they didn't do it instead. I so I have no idea because literally Hogan goes to WCW and his I mentioned WCW is for the championship against Ric flair. Right every I mean by then it was a little late. Okay so let's see is ric flair GonNa show the real world championship. 'cause there Sean Mooney. WHO's podcast? I was on this week by the way Rick Robe that's it's Rick Flair and Mr Perfect by the way is the executive consultant to Rick flair again. We fast forward and we look at nine Hundred Ninety Ninety two survivor series. A year from now Mr Perfect is going to be making his return to the ring. He's out of wrestling right now. Collecting a nice Lloyd's of London Insurance Silence Policy. I believe and a year from now Mr Perfect will be back in the ring. He will have just turned face. Baby face And he will take the place of the ultimate warrior once again who has gone. He's back and gone before next survivors come in incoming in. Yeah so your next survivor series. The main event supposed to be ric flair and Razor Ramon versus the ultimate maniacs which is ultimate warrior in Macho Man Randy savage right before survivor -vivor series the ultimate warrior. I believe went down to testing positive for steroids. I think if I remember I could be wrong but I think so putting him off the show and out of. WWe Me for awhile again. Mr Perfect gets pulled off the bench for the first time in years and he comes back as a good guy and teams with macho man against flair player and razor. So what was Mr perfect steal than for all all this time. So Mr Perfect. He left not too long before this because this is survivor survivor series. Ninety one November obviously summer slam ninety one. He had an amazing match with Bret Hart for the Intercontinental Championship. But I believe that was. I was either his last match. Certainly has last is pay per view match for awhile. Any was injured. He did have a back injury but there was a company called Lloyd's of London that it was an insurance company and a lot of wrestlers. There's and they would ensure wrestlers Lloyd's of London would take very expensive high risk insurance policies. That was their business and a a lot of wrestlers. Rick Rude like there are lots of stories about getting these giant. They don't do it anymore because they got wise to it because what would happen is a wrestler would take is not wearing the championship championship. A wrestler would take out the Lloyd's of London Insurance Policy. He would get injured maybe not a career ending injury but an injury and he can make so much money off if this insurance policy that he would just sit back and collect it and he would end his career so I believe that Mr Perfect this point is on a Lloyd's of London collection thing. Hustle I yeah I I think that that's what's going on. He was legit injured. Yeah and then. He stayed out for Lloyd's of London. But then I guess he decided to break the insurance policy comeback. I'm back and W must have made him an offer to well. What if we pay you more than Lloyd's of London mock then I'm fine? Let me sleep on it. Oh as luck like what have it. I'm fine here's me gene. Now so I believe that that fade to black that we just saw on the pay per view was actually where the original intermission intermission was. I don't know if you know this hotdog back. In the in the day day they would have intermissions at pay per use like the paper. You you interview telecast would actually have have a graphic come up and it would be the intermission. That's ridiculous. Yeah Yeah I would be Fifteen minutes I think okay yeah. So here's the natural disasters that's the earthquake and typhoon. Along with Irwin R.. Schyster otherwise known as IRS. Of course the tax agent Irwin R.. Schyster by by the way I think you know Where where he falls in terms of familiarly and wrestling right now Yeah the fire of of the Dallas List and the father of the fiend Bray Wyatt. Yes Irwin R.. Schyster otherwise known as IRS. My Dad loved those characters. He loved that there was a tax man who wrestled in tie and his name was irs. It was almost as if they had their main gigs. And then you know wrestling on the side right right like tax season he. He doesn't do that many matches because he's doing taxes but when it's not April what else he doing you know become a world champ. Exactly exactly why because why not. There's typhoon foon back there. Typhoon of course started in the wwe. Tugboat Turned he'll join earthquake to become the natural disasters dirt. Quaking Typhoon Left. WWe went to WCW to shock the world and now by the way his son is timekeeper for wwe his son rings the Bell WWe shows. That's the sun shock master's son Yes shot and we'll say typhoon legacy and Jimmy. Hart is still just rock and roll in his Jimmy Hart. He looks exactly the same as hard to go. Yeah you really so there. Of course the natural disasters and irs cutting their promo for the match that will be the main event of the night the three on three match where they took out the two biggest stars right on. But now you got the big boss man and a legion of doom does anything else scream. mm-hmm Ninety s good guy wrestlers more than the Legion of doom in the big boss. Man All I'm thinking about right now like yes but that the world titles titles the tag titles look so pretty. They're so nice looking all shined up and they look almost bronze because they're so dark. Yeah the animal. By the way I saw the animal last night at Russell pro in Rowing Jersey us taking pictures with kids in the ring during intermission. He's not still wrestling. He's not wrestling but he does take pictures. And he brings the shoulder pads out although look at those shoulder pads and those are elect shoulder pads. I don't think the shoulder pads. He has now have that. Look at all those little spikes. There are a lot of spikes on the shoulder pads we need more spikes spike spike on these things. All that red. There's no spike stay. Put Him on Amit. I mean yeah. They should probably using the alignment would be different. You got food and all these. This guy's got these terrible like horrible looking scary you know spikes and painted up and they just look they look a lot meaner than the other guys. So you're saying that these guys look you're saying they look tougher or you think that these guys should be the bad guys. I'd say bad guys. Wow well the too cool. Well it seems to me what it seems. James Debbie Office. Not Screen baby-faced here now. He's he's a lot like I read. That faces Yeah Legion of doom or the coolest tagged him in the world. I dressed up as Road Warrior animal for birthday party one year and I do. I'd know yes that's true. I didn't shave my head into a Mohawk. Obviously and I was very upset because I wanted my mom to make me a Mohawk cap. But she couldn't find a bald cap so we got a white swim cap and we made a Mohawk out of that. She put yarn in the Mohawk. Because perfect but it wasn't flesh tone. It was white. It was a white swim cab with the Mohawk on. This is before goal does is long before gold dust. Yeah this this era this is probably we you know. I don't know either. Ninety one of September ninth or September Ninety two now. Do you know who that man is hot dog. This is very important for your history. Do you know who who that man is with me gene. No can I guess Jack or Jack Attorney is he is the lawyer for the WWE. Jack Attorney and I am here. No that is yes. You're right. That is President Jack. Tunney well President Jack Tunney is there to announce ounce the world he was the quintessential WWe figurehead. I mean he was not baby face not he'll he was just there to let you know what was going on. Vince McMahon was simply a commentator and Jack Tunney was in charge not put their hands on Jack Tunney Jack Tunney never involved in any angles. He was just a person who kept everything the way it should be going. And he's here to announce that the undertaker and cogan rematch is going on this Tuesday in San Antonio Antonio Texas and it was I know I I know hearing stuff when he shows up. It's a big deal. They wouldn't just use no big deal. It's a very big deal right. which is Great? Yeah so like you need that. So there is bobby. Heenan can't believe that he thinks it's dumb. Why should Hogan get a rematch? I'm waiting to get this phone call. Carrillo gorilla monsoon. Will you stop it. and Jenny has also announced on Tuesday. In Texas he he will be ringside he will be sitting ringside. Just make sure everything is on the up and up because you can't get you can't get one pass Jack Tunney and you can't stop the undertaker. Well yeah now. Of course Tuesday in Texas is not going to go well for either. The undertaker are Hulk Hogan is going to be more chicanery. The title is GonNa be declared vacant because when Hogan loses the title it gets declared vacant title is going to be declared vacant. It's going to be put up for grabs at the nineteen ninety ninety two royal rumble. Some would say the best royal rumble match of all time. Rick Flair is going to win the nine hundred ninety two royal rumble become the WWe champion. That's when he has his UH His Promo a tear in my eye. This is the greatest moment. Yeah really it's amazing Promo Classic So that will go. And then they'll head onto wrestlemainia eight where they'll do savage and flair and everything will be great so do one-match everyone wants Hogan flair. No we're doing Hogan and Sid thank you thank you very much. We gotta look long-term. Who's going to be in this business forever? Who are these guys? That's Bowen Blake the beverly brothers and that's the genius. Do you know the Genius Haka ever seen this guy. They made a cameo one of the old school roles. You get my cameo. I'm sure now the genius couple of things. He was known for Number One. There are there is urban legend and I did ask him in an interview and he did basically confirm this. Apparently he could filleted himself of. How did that come well? Urban Lay. Apparently he used to do it to impress people in the locker room. Oh that's what I've heard. Okay that's the rumor here the nasty boys of course you know the nasty nasty boys Coming out with the mouth of the South Jimmy Hart. The Genius Represents The beverly brothers. The nasty boys represented by Jimmy. Hart the genius also family of WWe He is the brother of Macho Man Randy savage. I did not know that I said No. That's why there's there's also a urban legend that the genius apparently was on payroll at WWE WCW the entire time macho man was employed and they did not use it once but any looks goes. No my whole family eats okay. So here we go. It's time to hong-gi the bush-whackers making on their way to the ring you know the bush-whackers yeah we got a Otas and the what and Tucker Honoring them. That's true that's true. Yeah Autism Tucker heavy machinery scenery. Do honor them the bush-whackers of course Because this is you know in Nineteen ninety-one what we think people from New Zealand act like. Now what's interesting about the bushwacker and I didn't find this out. I mean I was probably like a freshman in high school. Maybe I was in eighth grade stone middle school but probably a freshman in high school and I got this big book from somebody. 'cause back you know the Internet was in its infancy here. There is no Internet but you know when I'm a freshman in high school. The Internet is still kind of in its infancy. Um and so you don't know the history and all this stuff. I got a book. Maybe I wasn't high school yet. Maybe it was like seventh or eighth grade. I got a book that was just called wrestling or this is wrestling or something like that and it was a hardcover book and had pictures of all these wrestlers from around the world here come the rockers by the way And it had pictures of these guys called the sheep herders and I looked at him and I was like wait. Those are the Bushwacker but I saw all these pictures of the sheep herders. Doing terrible things to people blood. Barb wire all this stuff everywhere the bushwacker in this other life where the scheepers and they were one of the most violent vicious tag teams in the world and they did hardcore wrestling wrestling matches back death matches heels. You know who was doing death matches even in the Seventies Puerto Rico right. Yeah so the sheep herders were actually this vicious team. Vince brings them on board and goes like no. I think we can sell some toys here. I think we can sell some hats. Let's and he brings out the Bush swaggers and I gotta believe they don't have to get busted open every night. Their antics that many bumps and they just get to sell merch shave their lights. write-off dude you know. I mean you don't even remember it like like journeymen yamen so the rockers here. This is a crucial crucial moment. In the rockers history. That's GonNa last. Nobody's why who are rockers. Marty Jannati would go on to be a big star. marginality would go on to be a huge star This does also go to show you the The how many teams like how big the tag team division was the shape. He's in man. WHO's at Butch? Look at this shape season I always thought the Bush bushwacker were like kind of choppy but butch is amazing shape. I think that's butch it goes to show you the level that These tagging division. How deep it goes that? This is actually these. Four teams are kind of the lower tier teams that we've got tag teams in the main event with the Natural Disasters Legion of doom. But we still got enough tag teams leftover that we can do an entire survivor series match with them You know what I mean and like three legendary teams here. Yeah and only one of the teams in this match ever held the tag titles. Wow how the rockers never held the tag titles Bush has now never they want. Here's the thing about I believe it's the rockers. They won the tag titles one night right. It was at a Saturday nights main event taping and I believe they beat the Hart Foundation but Midway through the match the rope broke and the match went to hell after that it was a terrible match because they didn't have the middle rope so they couldn't do anything and so it ended up being terrible but they finished it they won the rockers won the tag team championships. Chips WWe goes. You know what we're not gonNA air the match we're just GonNa make it up later. Don't worry about it right. And so they actually had never happened. They hand the titles back to the Hart Foundation not storyline so this never airs is a tape. Saturday night's main event never see the match with the broken rope. We never see the rockets win the tag title so it never happened happened heart foundation. Go back to being tag champions. And they just never did a makeup has been released or anything I think it might be. There's definitely stills and and footage from it it might be on one of those unreleased matches collections or something at this point yeah But yeah the Beverly Brothers never won the tag titles bushwacker never won the tag titles. Titles Iraq has never won the tag titles just the Nasties any other highlights from the bill. Beverly Brothers Vaccinate Exhibit Year Actors. No no no no they. Were actually both journeyman wrestlers Mike Enos is the one with the moustache. Mikey take enough. I believe. That's my Kino's He was actually he would go to. WCW As my Gino's e n s us and He would have It was Wayne Bloom and Mike Enos. But my Ito's was in the Macedonian so many times as Tamie sick he was in. The match was interrupted by Scott Hall when I showed up on Nitro when Scott Hall all I showed up on. nitro US interrupting Makino Smash Okay. So you know. He's got his own claim to fame there that's his He wrestled WWF from ninety. And you sixty two thousand you know yes low just a little low card guy. Good hand hand. What are you reading wrestling? Go on the Internet. He was good. Dan He competed for the WW tag titles in a tournament with Bobby Junior He was It was my Kino's versus Steve. Doll was the match. That Scott Hall interrupted on that episode of WCW Tro what a classic match that was. Well we remember the Scott Hall part and there he is. That's the Beverly Brothers Cinema Right now. Actually as Mike e-e-e-e-no says he gets whipped into the turnbuckle by the future heartbreak. Kid Shawn Michaels now they. They'd been very very slowly. Planting the seeds of the rockers tension leading into this match it would be very quickly. The actor this match that The rockers would finally have their break-up but the seeds going into survivor series. The seeds were planted that there may be some tension between Shawn Michaels Marnie Jannati. And you know back. Then see like right there. Like Sean Tags in one of the bushwacker suggest little. Why didn't he tag in his partner right and back then it was a big deal none of these tag teams out of the four tag teams that we're seeing? None of them ever broke up. You know what I mean like. Nowadays we think tank teams almost only exist to break up. You know it's coming. You know coming feud coming outdoors and then they go their separate there was no. It didn't happen back then because these tag-team acts were just that they were tag team Max and when the nasty boys for instance would go to. WCW They would go is the nasty nasty boys You know the beverly brothers wouldn't goes the beverly brothers but number one that was a wwe creation and number two. They never actually broke up they just. WWe stopped using the beverly early brothers in the two individuals went on to other careers right So it was a big big deal. I'm still shocked to like find out that this is like an undercard match and the rockers doctors I mean the rockers were I thought they were one of the top tag teams back then they were but they never won a title. They never they never yet. They were still one of the most popular tag teams for shore but titles mental not titles did not switch all that often back then. And here's the thing you got the rockers. Like if the bush-whackers of the TAG team champions you're going to figure out a way to get the titles on the rockers right When the Road Warriors Hawk and animal you're not going to put the titles on the rockers? You'RE GONNA keep the titles on Hawk and animal like in order to get the titles on the rockers. Like the Sky Blue Shirts Back Jack Jack. On now you'd have to have the nasty boys beat the Legion of doom and then have the rockers. beat the nasty boys and you don't want to have the nasty boys beat the leading to do. Yeah so that's why you'd end up in scenarios where getting the titles was a lot more difficult and timing. Timing had to be a lot different. Now I believe in this match instead of standard survivor series elimination rules. It's TAG team elimination rules. Meaning if Marty Janetti gets pinned shawn leaves his well if it gets pinned butch leaves as well. I believe I think that. That's that's the rules of this match that we're seeing here is only two eliminations. They sags yeah sags and Marty Jannati are in there together now now yeah I mean it. Ring Work Great. Ring work a hotdog with your little. What do you have your little Little Dictionary Travel Dictionary. You're a tourist with his With his translation Asian dictionary. You're like what other vocab can I throw in. I went to not sam wrestling audience to really know I know my stuff I know ring work much. Switch that aid w stuff Yes yes so. This is kind of what survivor series is all about back then and I think this is why it ended up not keeping its format is is that You'd have matches this. That were just like good matches but not that much happening. When did it actually start becoming also the year after after this right this nineteen ninety-one? They're making a big deal. You See Marty Stumble super-quick Shawn's item steel in that to know so. Oh this year. They're going. It's a huge deal that there's one singles match on this show Hogan vs undertaker first singles match in survivor series history. The year. After this that's when they would give up on survivor series altogether the year after this I think they had one survivor series elimination match ninety two but they had a night stick on a pole match. They coffin match. They had sean versus Brad. They had the tag match savage perfect versus Warrior inflator so this really is his Farewell they would go back to it. You know ninety three. They had a bunch of elimination matches. Ninety four the few elimination matches but pretty quickly now what they did get rid of for this man and this year was they used to do a thing where they have a grand finale match where we're the survivors and by the way soul survivors. Zack Ryder said soul survivors on twitter. He did a promo where he said. Curt Hawkins Walk Ins and I are going to be the sole survivors. I talked about this last. Listen to it that survivor series. Okay listen to commentators. Two wrestlers to announcers talk talk about soul survivors S. l. e.. I tweeted the definition one. One there can be one sole survivor. You cannot rely souls two of them so so to once. That's not how that works okay. Low there's two of you. You're not exactly loan so what they used to do was was. They'd have a grand finale. Where all the survivors would come back to have one big match? The good guy survivors would be on one team and the Bagai survivors drivers would be on another team. which really I mean that's clear cut and defined good guy? Bad Guy was School it was cool except then you kind of knew you had to throughout the night. The bush-whackers are eliminated by the beverly brothers four onto Martinez waiting for him to turn around. Hey Hey but hey mike or is that Wayne Rotary here so all but what. The Wayne Bloom what that does do. Unfortunately gently is But by the Beverly Brothers are Boeing Blake. I'm sorry when they're beverly brothers. It's Bo beverly and Break Blake Beverly. I don't know which ones bow and which ones Blake but they're both blake the Bama's Yama does now It makes it so that as you're watching survivor series. When you have a grand finale match you kind of know you're going to have to have about an equal number of good guys and bad guys winning because then you're GonNa have a match later and the baby faces always want? I'm guessing. Yeah I unhugged Hogan Must Post. I think the year before this it was like ultimate warrior Hulk Hogan and Tito Santana was the good guys and I think they had five bad guys they had to beat and so they had Tito get eliminated. Of course poor Tito and then Hogan Warriors beat all the bad guys and just stood up together like superheroes at the end. Yeah but they did not do that for this one. I guess I would imagine if I had to guess why they didn't bring that back probably because they didn't have Hogan in a survivor series match and and so why bother they need right. Like what's thinking about. What's The star power going to be like? Are you gonNa have you know the beverly brothers. And and the mountie county versus Hacksaw Jim Duggan and the big boss. Man People in the next match. Oregon's right right. I when I was a teenager watching the survivor series. It always seemed like did survive. The actual survivor series match was like almost like a like we need you. Take this right just because we name the pay per view. You know. So we're supposed to you're really just waiting for the Limitation Chamber Nasty. Brian knobs this is the numbers advantage. This is the thing that people talk about for onto four onto is not easy there that teamwork those are brothers others that and either Bower Blake. Whoever Wayne Bloom is sitting there looking at the audience gunky believe what I just did? That was cool. Yeah that's a beverly does Shawn Says No way no way Jose. Who would have thought you were looking right there at a guy who would go on to be arguably the greatest wrestler of all time like you're looking at maybe the greatest wrestler of all time certainly one of the greatest w superstars of all time now when Schon John and Marty split was Sean automatically groomed to be that or was that like I know? I don't think Sean there's no show is automatically. Groom groome not to be like the greatest. All righty like I mean it was pretty clear that Sean was going to be more of a star Marty. Right which was a bummer. Because as a kid I like good guys more than like bad guys and I was really hoping Mardi hardy would give Sean the business. He didn't he really didn't he. Never really even got good revenge on him. They had a couple of matches here in their ladder. Match right I think need eighty nine latter match their match. It wasn't a ladder match but they had imagine But yeah you know Marty would go on He did did have the intercontinental title. At one point for about a week I think he had the tag titles with the one two three kid for a week to unless I was spark plug. I think it was Mardi agency that would be a couple years after that when the title started to get switched a little bit more frequently. Because you'd live Monday night rivalry week right. Mr Niches never got support from the audience as well. You know. He didn't get the most support from Sean clearly was more more talented and had more charisma but Marty also was a partier. He wasn't as a reliable. Maybe you know what I mean. He He'd have to. He would find reasons that he'd have to part ways with the the company many many times I think he's been out of in and out of day. W E like seven times he just can't stick around Sean just getting. The snot kicked out of him. Frequent tags by these four men. The mark of TAG team veterans as he gets whipped against the rope sunset flip. Yeah big kick out by. Brian KNOBS see frequent again. Won't let them get that tag in to the freshman Mardi Gianetti because there's three freshmen. Just waiting there on the other side. Yeah Mardi would even have a run. WW mean it wasn't like Iran run but he was in in WCW for a period of time because everybody was in wwf repair just like mid nineties. Because I remember from knows like late to that early two thousands. Yeah it was it was towards the end of WCW for sure it was a lot of people he's like. I like. They brought it in. Margin any broaden Rick Martel thunder years you know when I started on the roster. Yeah yeah nicely. And there's that Suber CAC that would end the career of the nature boy ric flair and you know soul doesn't even keep. Brian knobs down the he no sold it like renee young getting kicked in the face on commentary. Look at Sean going up top on Now not enough. I thought he was trying to get his. You know what in for a little bit so crazy to see someone just completely no cell service soubriquet because then it was just a kick they even call it a super kicked he called it a crescent kick. He ended the crescent kick boy. Sean is no-man's-land at this point no momentum in his way is is just it's a massacre is look at Mardi reaching out for the tag. Oh Okay Sean. Would that burst of energy Reach out reach out Get their tag is shaky Mars. Like Sean You've got the tag boom areas coming in like okay. It's a little messy. Yeah KNOB sold super kick. It's how you know what it is Mardi. Each has too much energy right now. All right. He's a little messy. Yeah he's losing his mind the so excited to be in the ring relaxed pace yourself bud missing half your shots and there's still four guys and your partner can barely move you. Think the bushwacker even stoned the building. They probably went home. They're probably like halfway to the next town already. They're walking all the way. Oh yeah they're just Bush whacking their way to San Antonio for Tuesday in Texas. We booked might not so why this what what is what is that. What is what what is what is the Bushwacker Schweiker things? That's the bushwacker walk. The why but Mario Morale Bobby Brown those explanation for that. That's not what you need to explain. Everything thing Bushwacker Wok. It's up bushwacker. Walk Okay you know. What the biggest bummer in the world is as an adult? I met a bushwacker. Butch uh-huh I think butch he was the one that was around I think and he came over. 'cause the video camera was on and he did the thing where he licked my head and I went. Oh no there's going to be disgusting gusting. Yeah not one drop of saliva. It was all worked They know how to do it with their hands so looks like they're licking. The whole thing was a work they they weren't they didn't like anybody what do you. You're not saving anyone getting sick. It's a I'm really thought everybody was getting licked. Your excited to get. I mean at LE- I I was no I was. I was bummed going to get licked but I was even more bummed to find out. Nobody had ever done with a a work. Yeah yeah I got worked like everybody else man now. marginality is just no help whatsoever right hot tag for nothing. There's a long match to uh-huh wow I'm looking at it now. Technically matches only twenty three minutes. I would've guessed forty twenty three minutes. Is there an undercard twenty three minutes. Yeah Yeah and they're like all right we're gonNA let the Bushwacker they're gonNA PAT her out about seven minutes. And you've got this rockers Sean. Marty Jerry sags active cousin Jeff from Michigan. Vs Gap do you think is missing a tooth. I think that was a big space. Yeah a Lotta Times tooth size gap. Okay it's just a missing tooth. The actually like braces won't help areas pointed the crowd. Look at what we did. Look at what we did Marty Gianetti comes. Brian knobs now looking a little blow up getting up to the top rope. A little tired local on got those knees up guy goes knees up back to the man. HPK Baby. I mean we still have two more eliminations Yeah Yeah Yeah. They're gonNA have their eliminate both teams. They WanNa make this work now each week as coming in like a house on fire. Where did you gotta be running on Adrenaline at this point? Boom how about that. That was pretty Nice Much more Chris that's smooth clothesline where he lands on his back. I loved that that Cyprus have you would like try to make your figures. Do but people didn't actually do it. Oh that one beverly brother just in the middle that will say Shawn's like movement and all that really stand out out next to everyone else in his reign including Mardi yes Especially Marty that's that's what did you see what happened. Marty accidentally kicked Sean. How GonNa do that? The insurance pissed now. Now finding that like Sean like looking like he's pissed in character he would go on and have that same came face when he was actually pissed at the. I mean I can see where the whole barbershop thing came in. That was that was all. He's pushing Mardi by the way survivors. Not a good spot survivor. Series Ninety three and ninety one. The destruction of the rockers survivors yours. Ninety three two years after after this is going to be the destruction of Bret Hart Heart Burn Zone are one of the great rivalries of all time Shaw Michaels one of the greatest of all time. So He's saying that happening here. I thought they were Yeah not just over. What's going on the mattress over to is e? Why did this rockers attack tried? That's how they pin both which workers Ireland's one bushwacker get pinned. I thought it was a painful. Did you see two people get pinned or one person get in. I saw one so I guess it's not all the nation. I mean songs now. We must have missed. Maybe we missed a bushwacker. Pin Maze both Bush records got pin. Sean his out. Yeah Yeah and the matches continuing although I do remember that on commentary to know on commentary gorilla monsoon. Didn't see Sean get pinned. So he called this as if to say that Shawn was walking out on Mardi and nobody corrected I mean so. That's commentary said okay. I I mean there's I'm sitting there as a kid he got pinned on guerrilla. When you mean you gotTa earpiece? I'm looking to tell you that. Yeah I don't even blame guerrilla people miss things. Somebody's these guys I mean he's got to let the guy know probably looking at their watch. We gave these kids fifteen minutes Marty. It's now one on four. I mean how much offense offense can he put people why this is Marty's opportunity to really shine Marty. He's GonNa shock the world. I think demo comments on the next match. It makes you shock the world. Oh boy I tell him was. That was. That was cool. Mari jumping off the rope leg in his feet up there. Very Ludicrous Can you imagine this is November of Nineteen ninety-one. That stuff really isn't happening very much. Brian nods getting thrown into that corner. Post Ooh super-quick. No cell no cell on that by the way the super kick their crescent kicks super-quick hasn't been As been introduced yet you got a lot of air on that. Don't look at that too. which interesting is you got a ton of air on that? And that's a big move to try in this era when they almost no space on the outside of the ring look how much look look at it like three feet on any side now. What this is the time to shine and the slide in you see that? Yeah this is great you see the slide in the Ring Maris crushing it right now. I have no oh Martin any hate on this podcast except for facebook. He's talking about his daughter whenever he was right. And we don't talk about that though and this is a little soppy right small package. Oh No. Brian KNOBS turned him round. Danny Davis and how come on the ropes in the ropes. The shoulder up. This is ridiculous now. This is the actual screw job. This is this is the survivor series screwdriver. Hey you ever watch survivor screw drab Brett. No no no no no Mardi Jerry sags we all know. Is it a one. We we remember by the way this referee in their Danny Davis Fun. Fact Mattel just put out a wrestlemainia series of elite action figures. And if you get all four you can build a referee Danny Davis action figure really and he looks just like he's got the Bowtie got the whole thing so if you're a referee Danny Davis action figure you see how Mardi picks up Jerry sags and foot knocks out. Sean and Brian knobs Oz takes advantage. Sean Blames Marty for eliminating him from that match and justifiably so I get it. Yeah I get it too absolutely. It was a senior re at this time. Didn't have senior referees. They object tiny and a whole bunch of referees. But Earl heppner's there obviously and and Mike Yoda who is still here user. Wow he was year cool it is to be in. WWe Locker Room like a TV locker room and have my Kyoto Joaquin. Going guys and I'm like it's Mike. Yoda it's been a Goddamn legend. Just walked into the room. Everybody just pay Omar sure two years younger maybe when he ninety one is less than thirty years but yeah The stories yeah on the PODCAST I I would have on the podcast. He'd be great. Yeah as twenty eight years. This survivor series was twenty. Eight years ago we're about to experience survivor adversaries. Twenty nineteen man. It's crazy that this was twenty. Eight years ago I've watched every survivor series. Live sense sense this one still those those kids are your age it. Yeah more or less. Yeah near you. Empty spots yeah. Yeah that was supposed to be sitting. Jake Roberts that was we don't we should we. Maybe look we didn't have photoshop in ninety one okay. It was a little tougher just on the fly. Change things I paint over and yeah just paint paint Jake purple. So this one's GonNa be three on three main event for these guys. That's a big deal earthquake and typhoon and irs watch your step versus big boss man and a legion of doom. That's another thing that you won't see anymore. Ninety one people did did not mind playing to the cameras. Two thousand nine hundred nine you will not see a professional wrestler play to the camera with ww. They should bring back. You think so. Yeah I mean we know. There's the camera they know. There's a camera why not if you're you know you're an athlete. You have see guys or whatever they talk to the cameras. I'm not surprised so why. Why it wouldn't you know I get it? I get it now. Earthquake of course had been a main event previously singles main event or he had came into the wwe me in one thousand nine hundred ninety and immediately started a program with Hulk Hogan And he was really brought in as a monster. The latest monster to to destroy Hulkamania good. They Headline Summer Slam ninety earthquake versus all Cogan. He broke all Cogan. Ribs with earthquake. Drop could Hogan survive the earthquake. quake he did he did luckily but then after that when they were finding out what to do now that the Hogan challenges over turn typhoon he'll bring together as a team natural disasters earthquake and typhoon. Good switch yeah. So you're a big boss man. I think the big boss man is one of the most underrated aided wrestlers ever. I love the big boss man. He was a great good guy he was amazing. Bad Guy the I only knew him as a kid as as always just horrible. Horrible Person Eight. Al Snow's dog made fun of big shows. Dead Dag and dead dead and you just believed him every step remember member relieving. I mean I don't know if this is when triple h was still was on horrible people on the roster yes emmy personally I would go. Oh Big boss. Man is the biggest most horrible. Yeah he was awful. There was little Dick Total deck. Just there was nothing about him. That was like you know what he's not so bad every part of them it was bad. Yeah and I loved it and it was awesome the original when he's a good guy or the guy. What was that like burn? Yeah turn it on swinging crazy. Yeah do you ever hear good music now here. If you ever take a trip down to Cobb county donate Gioja really respect the law and order you'll serve. Our time is awesome. Yes yeah you have to listen to it. I can't believe you've never heard the big boss Man's theme Music No. I only know the bad ads that he's got some of the best music ever. I'm like yeah you're like yeah. I'm talking about that Talking about his bag I music. I'm GONNA play for you right now. Okay because I think it's ridiculous that you've never heard this I mean this is an ad hang on ads. Yeah I wasn't expecting this. Okay you ready. uh-huh all right. I'm really seriously this is amazing to me. You better research. How would he come out even singing baton when he was tiny running down the aisle? This is hard org make you walk the line. Two men are dead over. You'll Miss Irvine hard time now. Why why is the Bosnian and IRAS why are they separate teams. You'd think they'd be in the same side of the also he's going to serve part time. You know the big ball fan like superdome. Yeah well I think that the big Wiseman Irs are on separate sides because irs. He I don't think he was always on the up. I think he was a bit of a eighty. I think it was a bit of a crooked taxman personally. Aren't they a- and it will yeah and the big boss man didn't WanNa put up with that. I bet grays at Vince just like hated paying taxes and so he made. Irs Look at the way the fast speed and he's a giant big boss. Man is a huge command and he just moves around so fast he's just a man you might say he's big you might say he's the boss except when he went to WCW he was the boss he was the man and he was the big at one point when they were just trying to figure out who he could be when you go to W. so he went to ww. In Ninety three. You know and I think that was probably good timing for him. I think he's kind of wrapped up in. WWe A year after this. He have his He had just gotten over over his rivalry with the mountie. He had beaten it at Summer Slam. Ninety one a few months before this. He had beaten the mountain jailhouse match where the loser had to spend a night in New York City jail. 'cause there was at Madison Square Garden. And I mean one of the greatest moments ever. I never got it as a kid but as an adult I was like this is just amazing television so the Mount Loses in his full mountie outfit he gets put in a cop car next to go to jail. Yeah cameras follow him. They go to Vignette in his full mountie outfit. He's he's in a jail cell and he's got let me out and this criminal his cellmate. Just why don't you just love the way leather feels against against your skin. It's amazing so boss man had just got the way John Tent Jag hashes animal like nothing. Do John was so strong. He's another one that was so underrated. The earthquake is just so great so you just gotten over the mountie thing that that's over It's GONNA be a couple months before nails shows up. Of course nails is the convict. The big boss man put away several years ago and decided to become a pro wrestler. They decided why you decide to become prowrestler specifically to get the big boss me okay So nails would show up several months after this like into nineteen ninety-two yeah he would beat up the big boss man with a night. Stick putting the big boss man on a shelf on the shelf or show And a year from now survivor series. Ninety two will finally get the big boss man versus nails in a night stick on a pole match. The big boss man wins that one and Nails says goodbye not too long after that. Where does nails go well? So they started Nails wrestled you ever see pictures of nails. I don't even know how. Yeah I don't know how he looks like. He wrestled in an orange prison. Jumpsuit really. Yeah he was awesome. Literally if you ask my dad right now. Who's was your favorite wrestler of all time? He's like nails loved nails. Or why did he lavelle so he just loved the character look at Typo just catches. Irs Bit a bit and then the air that Hawk would get on that drop kick so nails would wrestle in this bright jumpsuit. And you just be a convict news choke people you wouldn't do any moves. He did less moves than the undertaker ninety anyone he would you know moves. You're just choke people and in ninety two. We went to Summer Slam in Wembley Stadium. My family and my dad got to see nails in person person with the Bright Orange Jumpsuit. And everything like that's my dude. That's my guy. Something about him. Nails was fighting. Virgil that night by the way. That's my guy I mean. It's great that they're really gives former felons and opportunity while he wanted to be the big boss man being recommends in. WWe It's hard to get a job out there. It is hard. It is hard in the the streets unfortunately the WWe apparently did learn the error of their ways because they tried to set up after the big boss Man Angle. They tried to set up angle with the undertaker in nails. Those a great moment in Nineteen ninety-two at the end of ninety two at Sir at On wwe superstar the TV. Show where and this is. They used is to set up angles every now and then where the good guy would be coming out for his match and the bad guy hadn't left the ring yet or vice versa. Okay and and they would just cross paths in the eye away and have a stare down and that would be enough to start an egg. That's symbol and it'd be great every time you'd be like Oh my God because back then you didn't see these matches like you wouldn't see big boss. Man Versus Irs for example like that wouldn't be a match that you saw on TV so if irs in the big boss man came into contact with these. You'd he'd be like. Oh my God this is a big deal so they did a thing where the undertaker in nails had a staredown in one of those crossovers and they had a stare down in the middle of the ring they made it the cover ever of WWF magazine the whole thing but before they could do anything with that angle before they could do the match before they could do anything. Rumor has it that nails physically attacked. Vince McMahon in backstage over a dispute about a payout and that was the end of nails. Okay and he did end up going to WCW and the you only had one match oh boy. IRS press has that briefcase. I think it's a loaded briefcase. Oh Boston man goes down a lot of paperwork in there. I think so one two three first elimination Shen Bosman is eliminated. We're left with Hawk and animal versus the natural disasters and Irwin R.. SCHYSTER so nails would show up in. WCW In nineteen nineteen ninety three. He had a match with sting as mystery opponents I think he only had the one match ever but he had that match with sting and he looked exactly the same except he had braids raids in his hair and young look up. You know what his name was. But the convict he just wear the orange jumpsuit again. Convict is like they might as well have called him. We can't say nails Mayo's they could've nails with an asks. It was nails with Z.. Right but they call them. The convict and sting was a surprise. Mystery opponent for sting sting beat him but he was scary as a kid. Nails is a big guy. This except I figured out later that he was using like a voice box modulator. Because if you go on youtube there's a video of listened. Listen to what nails really sounded like and it was not that scary. He'd like a high pitched voice backstage promos and then yeah he never did like. Yeah I mean but everything was so pre-tape that you could the patch right. Yeah it's like when you go to a concert and they still do auto tune like auto tune life right. Yeah or like when they wanted to use Arnesen. I guess. We're shock masters. Only Oh only Anderson. Yeah separating up the shock master okay. He's right there. I know I know but he's talking about typhoon. Don't talk about new shitty. The low blow that look like an animal by the way I think referee Joey Morella who who is the son by the way of gorilla monsoon on commentary Maybe should have made that call. Personally here. They haven't choking the life just casual azules stuff out of animal. It's going to be tough. It's going to be really tough for these guys to come out of this. What do you think of this so far? Hotdog you're watching Survivor survivor series. ninety-one you've never seen the pay-per-view you've probably used to completely different pace of action. What do you think of survivor series? I am used to different pace but I am still surprised arised by it's faster still than I thought it would be. It's Kinda Dope. Yeah because I I think like eighties and early nineties and I think of just like rest holds sleepers and stuff like that. I've never really been too interested to go back and watch it but like watching them like the rockers and all that stuff and like even these you guys are going pretty fast. And I mean they're powerhouses which is growing right. Yeah Yeah I did not expect that at all from like early nineties no stuff. I thought I came in like late nineties ladies. Yeah well see. This is why you gotta do your research. You are ignorant I was. I'm glad that you've been educated to this hawk cleaning house on everybody. It is wild Donald. This is how this is the match. Their ending the pay per view with the crowd into it is a question though. I mean I'm sure it look man. Look at Hawks Body Jeez and she she just crazy it's crazy. I think that Legion of doom was a huge act. I mean you know oh knocked typoon on accident you think. Irs Office when. I'm sorry that was on accident Bro. I don't know they got their see now. Now you would sit here and go like well. The odds have been even. But I would tell you that no I would say that the Legion of doom have a distinct advantage over the idea that irs. An earthquake would be a team together because they're not teammates is a tag team match team and Legion of doom. Have all the experience in the world the IRS and earthquake of never team together at all. They don't even say manager. Now they're beefing up beefing. Oh boy hi Y Y. He's he's like get the heck Outta here. I'm sorry I'm sorry buddy low. You don't hurt him by the way. I saw earthquakes splash he did. Ah Ombudsman. I think legitimately kill me. Yeah because it looked like it just like that just landing. If I don't move out of the way I'm getting squashed right now. Looks like it looks like the earthquake is walking out on. Irs He's walking out on IRS. It's GonNa Screw who I R S boys loyal. What's happening here hotdog natural disasters getting ready for that? Big Face. Turn and a couple months after one more than a couple of months about nine months after this summer slam. Ninety two Wembley Stadium we would see money INC teddy. BIC I see and Irwin R. Schyster versus the natural disasters. I think the long con I mean yeah like I think. That's I think I think so. So the feuds back then would they didn't really reference this match. I don't think the future may then last a lot longer. Yes because you only had. This is the big four king of the ring hadn't even started yet right. You know so this is the big four. You have Royal Rumble Wrestlemainia Summer Slam survivor series. That's it those are your pay per views and everything leading these paper views so really rivalries were only about one thing. Live events is about putting matches on live events wants that people liked and so these rivalries would last however long the live event cycle would last and raw started. I need three so the weekly show they had was only one hour. They had shows they'd superstars wrestling and wrestling challenge that we're both Syndicated weekly shows that you usually on Saturday and Sunday morning. They were in New York anyway and those are an in our and then they had a All American wrestling which was Sunday mornings on USA and then they had primetime wrestling. which was that was the precursor raw? That was their nighttime show but primetime wrestling was like a a studio shows. It was bobby. Heenan and gorilla monsoon sitting being in a desk and throwing matches and syndicated shows wrestling challenge superstars all American wrestling all enhancement talent matches but prime but it was prime time wrestling. It was okay. These matches happened over the weekend or something like that. Let's go to it or was it was it shown as like this is happening now no it. It was definitely. Let's they wouldn't say when it happened 'cause they were all new matches. Yeah but it would be. Yeah it wouldn't. They wouldn't be acting like like they were in the arena. Okay Yeah Yeah. Because but the big matches were saved for pay-per-view live events coliseum. Home video so every thirty days they would have a new home home video. That came out. That was not a pay per view. Release so it'd be like content that was exclusive to home video. There's even a section on the W network if you're perusing through it that's really fun. You can go into like The home videos that they released in like the late eighties and early nineties and oath pumped into each other of all of them had matches that you never saw on pay per view or TV angles wouldn't happen in home video that right no not right angle blow offs. Would though you would have we would have lots of angles. That started on TV. That never blew off on a pay per view. You know. You never had a Jake Roberts undertaker match. I'm sorry you never had a Jake Roberts. Ultimate Warrior match never had an ultimate warrior undertaker match. Never had a Hogan flair match. You never there were plenty of angles. That were started on any papa. John's on the ultimate warrior. You were waiting for that match to be on pay per view but they just did it the live events. So so. That's that's what it was all about selling tickets then pay per view wasn't even like we'll pay per view was. Yeah but I mean it was. The big moneymaker still growing into itself. Yeah it was still growing into itself. Irs is now like Oh my God. Where's that earthquake when she was here? got a feel for him now. He's getting some sympathy now he's not. IRS wants to leave. Forget it. I'm about to take my tie off if you're not careful so it looks like irs is leaving can end the show show like this two dot Wi what's wrong with two counts and how limiting No the big boss man. Take Good sub-county Doda redesign respect lauren. Notre turnaround yeah. Here he comes the see. This is the boss. Man is here ear to protect law or injustice this law enforcement. And that's right. That's right boy. ooh ooh that's a big arm across the chest that's a tree trunk falling on you. Big Suplex oh boy. Hawk has gone up to the top rub. This can only mean one thing hotdog have. Have you ever seen this before boo flying clothesline. I thought he was setting up for it. Oh they didn't over they didn't have to do the Doomsday Device Doomsday. The device was usually the flying clothesline off the shoulders of animal. But yeah and that's the end of the paper. The good guys win. I mean I still don't understand I. I look at arms. I get that Hogan lost. So you don't WanNa ended on a sour note but surely surely there must have been events by now that ended on sour notes that you could have put that in the media that I'm literally thinking right now. I don't think think prior to this paper view there had ever been pay per view that ended on a sour note. Not One no. I mean title changes that were sour notes happened either. In the middle of the show when ultimate warrior lost the title Sargent Slaughter. It was middle of the shows. Royal Rumble is not the last match and they purposely did that with every tide. Okay he'll is going to win this one. We move this entitled to switch that often the yeah so it's like you know and heels. Almost never one he's at backdrop crooked What am I crazy? Maybe the cameras crooked Sean Mooney. Crooked to kind of looks like the backdrops a little crooked I loved it. They would travel with that locker room backdrop and so that wherever they went. That's the reason they were in. What's the announcement being made here? Tuesday in Texas. They're selling okay. They're selling their next pay per view. Bobby and gorilla monsoon. It's like it's not over yet. Enjoy thanksgiving tomorrow. You GotTa pay for you to buy on Tuesday and if you don't feel satisfied by that you will on Tuesday exactly now. I think Tuesdays in Texas had a discounted rate so it wasn't the full pay per view rate that you know you paid for survivor series. But still they're saying look we want to give you what we want to give you the closest time we can give it to. Who is this Tuesday in San Antonio Texas so we're GONNA put on paper view? Sorry man sorry about it's extra it's more content for for more money. Yeah see in England. At this time there was no pay per view. Everything was on sky sports so like Tuesday in Texas. I was like it was all free. Three in England. He was. Yeah it was part of paper. You paper yeah it was Fri as part of your cable provider. I think is this until Bobby Heenan was just calling up to order the pay per view I think in this now is mean Jean Oakland and he's in the CD underbelly in the depths of the Joe Louis Arena. So we're we're not actually ending on LSD standing tall with the big boss man. We're ending on an undertaker. Promo letting you know the he's champion and he is going to Tuesday. He's going to Texas on Tuesday to defend the title against install. Koga I titled Looks Good on Him. Oh does that and it was so cool for I mean. Unfortunately he only held it for you know I guess. Six days is Wednesday Tuesday six days his but not only does it look awesome on him but when he was in this character when he walked to the ring he dragged his heidel behind him so he would just walk with his arms down really slowly and he'd hold the title by the end of it and it would just drag behind him as he went and it looked so oh cool. Can I meant something. That's like standing ally sticking out with me. Here is like the production. There's like a multi camera angle like Promo on the three angles. And I think that's they don't do that anymore. PROMOS and like that. He just looks more like twenty nine thousand nine hundred standing in front of a monitor going like oh I was just watching this. Yeah exactly there was more work. Done here Just looks cooler and like the angle. It's just you know I think a lot of movement. Yeah I think a lot of it has to do with the character. Yeah you're right you can see it right there with the candles and everything but I think a lot of it has to do with the character and I'm really trying to get over this undertaker character. This is amazing. How how y'all I love this? I love this too. I wish they would do more theatrical stuff like this. You're right took mean. Jean looking into the coffin terrified like even like is Quentin Tarantino. Got The briefcase from okay. Like what's in the coffin. I Dunno same thing in Tarantino's briefcase if that's the finish right there that's that's an awesome. That's the end of survivor for series nineteen ninety-one. That's an awesome finish. Finish finish should have been on smackdown instead of being like so there. You have it right well talk. I'm glad I got to show this to you. How do you think ranks up with today's wrestling? Have I made you a fan of one thousand nine hundred wrestling the pacing. A lot faster than I thought I. You know. L. Kids these days. Have you know they don't have the best attention span kids. Yeah man right so I had. I watched the highlights but zero interest in watching like the actual matches and it was good. It was fine fine or good well if the actual talent that was advertised was on the show. Okay stop acting like you actually ordered the show you just have to. Talent was told me what the the match was advertised. Okay you know they were there it would have been it would have been just. Finding reasons is to criticize critique them in hindsight even though he didn't even know this thing existed. Hey you got to critique history. I didn't even just not just made that up just now. That's not a saying you know what they you say you gotTa Critique History. No you don't well hotdog. I'm glad that I could expose this to you. It's a great way to celebrate great survivor series. Coming up this Sunday. I can't wait for it. It's going to be great. I'm going to be in Chicago for you're going to have. We're going to preview the entire card on Thursday. Not Sam Thursday. Of course coming up this Thursday as always we're going to go over all of survivor series. We'll talk about everything that happened leading up to it and all of that. Thanks everybody for tuning tuning in to this special edition of Not Sam. Wrestling will see on Thursday. Thanks for listening. The following is not Salem on twitter instagram facebook. And you review subscribe. This has men gene.

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NIGHT VISION VIPER - WWE Raw 9/28/20 & SmackDown 9/25/20 Recap

What's Wrong With Wrestling? WWE Recap Show

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NIGHT VISION VIPER - WWE Raw 9/28/20 & SmackDown 9/25/20 Recap

"Saw. To Your? Everyone. Welcome to another episode of what's wrong with wrestling I'm Andrew Pizano along with my brother Joe Pizano Eric's Lampton Amilton. This guy yeah. This guy with the Isaac Yank t-shirt. Yeah. It's one of my favorites. Yeah. That's a good one. That's nice. So what is wwe due to follow a horrible pay-per-view? ooh, horrible raw, Eric, horrible raw I mean at least we didn't have underground for whatever reason. To Leave Kobe Related Dea. Return at the end waiting for this guy for a while outside of that I can't think of anything else. I enjoyed. Not, no no. No. So much. Wasn't very different. It was like a summary. Episode we at the debut. The debut of the Legend's Lounge. Yes. Legs I'm looking forward to seeing WHO's in there every week. Yeah. Please hey kids it's everyone's favorite eighties wrestler Coco beware. Like That's it. That's the whole thing you. Come on you know cocoa. Kid Show, you know the right? Yeah. That's GONNA. Be the same for legends every week. Every week ric flair kicks their asset poker right which they didn't even set that up. Right how'd you not have bradshaw or? Ron Simmons there I mean that's now. Career down the street. Loud cheers. Sounds sounds with no grunting or like. Or screaming. Like what the fuck somebody get out right nothing. Here's bang. Bang. Bang. Bang like a Table Bang. You. What's going on? How is the production values? So horrible all the time so bad and I feel like is it just me or did I, feel like this was almost on like live. By the way they did it because it's so horribly done. Yeah. Oh, you mean that's segments. Many 'cause you would think that someone would have been like we need to put a few who's in here guys like that no director told them. Okay. Now remember you're getting hit by chair so act like you got hit by a chair. Now I think that's Vince thing where he's he likes the silence. That's just stupid Vince thing. Yeah. They see Randy. So knew who it is drifted the first guy gets hit. If you're layer I. Like Randy know you know what I mean like? We're big show like son of a bitch. You know what? I mean or just have one of them. Yell Shit I forgot my night vision goggles at home right? Right? Yeah. I. Always Bring them with me. I was the one time I didn't or when the lights go off Sean would say. Who? Do. Anything undertake. That's right. That's right. There's go the bigger. Order order-taker now after a super kicked him ignored and day. So yeah, we have to. We're going to get there all this So but first we have to thank some new patrons. So thank you Syrian Morris I think. George Pagan and Mike Clitoris Mike. Mike Clitoris Mike Mike Clitoris Mike Literacy what about it? What about? Mike I don't get it. Andrews Clitoris signed up for page A. Waiting for someone like sign up as like. On. Patriot like doing the Simpson saying where. The prank called Mo was just like I must do more than ugly based in my but smells like the kiss my own. But yeah where's that patriotic? Isn't he always go or the? Most. He always figures it out but then they jump the shark was with bar. Yeah because it was like a man to hug and kiss I need a man to hug and kiss. Huge ass. I'm huge. So anyways, go to Patriot dot com slash what's wrong with wrestling go check out our clash champions recap and then later. You probably want probably watching this. You're listening to Wednesday I. Mean we regret after we record this we're doing the draft, the twenty twenty draft, and this year we're including the way W. We've always had well, right. You just never draft them. We are including the W roster this year. So now we're GONNA have some of these three matches that you know. Yeah, and never happened. Great. Mega is our truth twenty, four seven. Dream naturally. What is what is a friend? Kenya make his best? Our our truth Oh, God, I would go jerry gold. Yeah are we only doing active rosters? Yes. Okay. So like no Ronda Rousey Becky Lynch. No. No one. That's pregnant. No Charlotte flair. No I'm not what you want a picture of the fire do every Dr Eric you're going to pick some. Kind of. Joe You could have Charlotte flair and ruin your whole draft refund. Last pic- because if he picker her, you know she has to win. True. That's Yeah. All right. So anyways will start off with smackdown. We start with the intercontinental championship ascension ceremony we need ceremony to put two belts on a fucking code and you're watching. While dramatic music plays. So let me add this right two days. Before this big match is going to happen or you have to pay to view it, they're going to have a triple threat match. Okay. Well, we didn't know that yet, but they all come out to the Ring Corey graves waiting for them and he says this Sunday, it'll be winner, take all, and then Corey explains how you win a ladder match. Thank you corey. Several sheets Jefferson place their belts on the coat hanger goes up. Semi. Starts to lead but then he pushes a ladder into AJ in Jeff knocking them both down semi punches jeff some more but then leaves the ring. Adam Pearce comes out details. Sambi, because of what you did, I'm adding Jeff Hardy to your match against Aj tonight it starts right now okay and then Jeff give styles at twist of fate we go to commercial then we have the residual threat Fury Day called to fade again. Yeah they went back Joe. So I don't know are you going to be bringing coat anger for your belts every week, right? Yeah. Surely should hang him up behind you. Know, it's funny because it was just grab them in the New Year's they've. They've only done the chew belt thing why? Obviously than the tag belts up there a lot but I've always wondered like what happens if one guy grabs one and another guy grabs another one right just gave away the ending to the next to belt ladder match. I don't know the almost should have done that this time. Yeah. Because when ordinance did it, they had them both on the coat hanger and the way you win is you just remove the coathanger? Yes you know. So I don't know anyways the triple threat match styles hits hardy with the phenomenal forearm, but then Sammy. Through Aj out of the ring pinned hardy for the win, and then after the match Aj styles, attack semi and Jeff with the ladder, and then he climbs up and grabs both belt so Sami got the win styles won the war and Jeff Hardy was like laying out there dead at that time feeling. Great about my Jeff Hardy pick I was feeling good about it too. Yeah. I was like Oh we were. We were together on Sunday I was like well, obviously before Y- like well, Sammy's not winning right now. Long. So. anyways. EXA, we have Kayla Braxton interviewing heavy machinery backstage gas otas about the lawsuit for MS and ask, are you going to give up the briefcase MS Morrison Walk Up and Ms Says my lawyers will take everything from you. If you don't give us the briefcase or it's like you want the briefcase Tom. Tucker than ask, Ms He's like Hey ms let me ask you this. How come. You only put your name on this lawsuit and then Morrison looks at Ms. He's like what is he talking about and then just randomly attacks Morrison Yes for like no reason he attacks misses the bigger asshole here right Otis's. Tax Moore's. Officials quickly get off of them and that's I think that's it for that story for it for this week for them ever. On wish I fucking. Wish imagine next we have a Bailey. Promo. On the stage she sits on Sasha she claims she's going to. Pay Extra. Kinky. Yeah. She claims she's going to beat Nikki classic champions and then she hints at attacking Nikki with the chair like she did Sasha. We all know how that played out. That was a that was horrible. Happen. Next we have Shinsegei Nakimora versus grandmet a leak with everyone ringside everyone might as well make it a lumberjack match. I mean they're all there. Yeah. Nakimora wins clean with the Kinshasa. Linsay Dorado checks on metal leak in the ring. But says, are gives him a SUPLEX and Callisto doesn't go in the ring until after says our Nakimora leave. So Dorado shoves callisto down how dare you be a smart person? Well. Get. Your ass kicked again you would think they finally pay that off at the pay per view now right? They did not say that for smackdown they don must see TV right there God callisto turning he'll do. evil. Things Bright. Renegade thing then. Next time we have Roman reigns and J you. So video package, we have testimonials from Romans. Dad's Sika Jay's dad ricky she and I think their grandfather. was. And they're all talking about the child, their childhood and right? Ricky says my son J will be the the new universal champion and the pipe in laughter like. Yeah. Next time we Jaso in Ring Promo with Roman reigns and Paul Heyman watching backstage we watch highlights last week where at the end Roman pissed off at J.. J. Wants Roman to come out and explain it to him. He's like what's the goose and then Paul Heyman walks the locker and says, everyone will hear from Roman reigns later but it won't be when use of says so that for the end now but except we have matt riddle versus Kane Corbin. New. You know. We've seen it so many times it was it was a good match with some cool counters, but it's just we've seen it so much riddle goes for the floating bro Corbin gets his knees up and then hits the as for the win. This. Is clearly not over no and hike by along. Okay. Corbin. Needed a bone here. He hasn't wanted a while. Yeah but you're going to give a matt bone riddle right? Well, you know they barely surviving the fifty fifty they the. Most use WWE I win win win win then you you know it's always back and forth back and forth and back and forth until everyone just doesn't, and then you tie and then it's over too late. So team. Yeah. So corporate wins. So Kayla, of course interviews the loser match loss loser. Matt do you have an emotion? In the BRO language for this. Over. So riddle says losing sucks but I'm not gonNA stop until smackdown as the show because he's never gonNA stop and he'll probably be traded. Right. Drafted an xt. Yeah next we add. Thing is an xt one. Survivor series last year, and they're not a part of this draft right there. No they said it's one on smackdown slough and it's a full draft. Again, a full fucking draft. We're not just we're not just taking up we're thinking Allah Roman and McIntyre getting traded. Like they always do that every fucking time they trade the champions every there's never been a time when they haven't done that they do it every single trapped shakeup or whatever and Mike. Now champion will be draft. Always do that too and they go. Well, I, guess. The chip. And then. The US champ will be drafted to drafted to that show. Yeah, and then they just have to have a match right where a person from Roy again, a very solid jail gauges back man. Duty. And they they also they also always swap ms and Kevin O'Higgins because of the two best talkers. Yes. They always swapped 'cause like well, we need a good talker on the show needed to talk on they always walk. Yeah. Because after a year, they literally have nothing for them in that show it's just just swapping out the same guys every year it's stupid. Remember when we went to the smackdown and we saw MS versus ambrose for the icy title. Yes, and then they did the draft and we went to raw and we miss. Yes she got. Shake I mean my God. Smart Man. Vince Martin. So next we have another CARMELINA coming soon video, she's almost done getting dressed almost he's almost done not quite women. And then she writes untouchable on the mirror with lipstick. And again, they're still not showing it's her but it's it's so fucking obvious. It's her. Yeah. Like unless you're an idiot like, well, think about it. How many? Like who is it? Do we have in wrestling skinny little blonde woman. With Carmelo tax yeah? Yeah even though she's still on TV I guess they're repackaging. It'll be. Like Yeah Cena third it's like wait the whole time we're on a different person on the street. Vinick sub we have to blondes we got Alexa list versus Lacey Evans mid match. We hear Bray Wyatt's laugh at Alexa starts freaking out we go to commercial. Later the lights go red with the creepy music and Alexa snaps she kicks lacy too many times. User wow kick kick kick kick. Deco. A fast forward to Sunday where Roman reigns almost murdered his cousin and Charles Robinson wouldn't end the match I'll allow it but Alexa kick lacy like five times. He's like that's it. That's all these. Two three, four, five, five that's it. Bring the battle. It was Charles. Robinson to. It could have been. So, outside the Ring Alexa gives lacey the sister. Abigail. Again, and Alexa has a sinister smile as she walked up the ramp and then Roman reigns Paul Heyman come out Alexa walks past them but then stops to stare at Roman for a while that was like as most girls do. She was just like. Hairs like all crazy right. We're going Fuck Eric. I guess we're going back to that bribe versus Roman. Sure course the fiend but Romans GonNa to know. Not Fun House Funhouse Bray Wyatt. Then it's going to be school bray y Yes wrestlemainia it'll be the fiend who will Lose. So. And the different versions of Alexa. It'll be the first version where she was like a cheerleader before they figured out her your role or whatever. Right? Right. Then it'll be the Alexa. We all came to love and finally Harley Quinn Alexa I, mean, there's probably a ninety nine percent chance. We see the three faces, of Bray, at the rumble this year. That'd be great if they do it again, don't tempt me. Yeah, I would pick one of them to win yeah right. housebreak fuck. A new defeating. Feeling So finally, we have the face to face Jay Music Jay's music cuts off Paul Heyman he gets in the ring rain cells. Jay. I'd give this title if I could but you would know what to do with it. You don't understand the pressure of being the face of wwe. You'll never be the tribal chief because it will always be me. So then Roman Heyman leave the ring and then Jay actually cuts a really good Promo I should grab the audio but he says what if you're wrong what if? Why can't I be the one on top everyone always asks me which one are you? Well, when they ask me that again after Sunday I'm going to say, I'm the one who beat Roman reigns at classic champions new. So rains in Haymond leave and then Jay walks up the ramp soon after but then Roman comes back to cheap shot his cousin with a Superman Punch and then he gets on top of J. and he tells them what's up. Want to thank you. Will. Drop through. Remember. Right at first he'll. Feed my kids. Feed your I thought he said I beat my kids with this. Yeah, beat my kids your kids with this title I'll be all. Right he'll. Were on the roster before Roman was they were were I don't know about the trickle down economics there brain. So. That's the Anisimov down obviously and then. So now that we've covered smackdown now, go to patriots dot com slash. What's wrong with positive show positive show go. Go Watch our class champions recap. We'll. The wait is finally over football is back. You might not be at a game this year, but you can still be in on all the action at bet online but online is going the extra mile to make sure you can get it on. Imaginable to season from game spreads and totals to team player and coaching props. But online gives you more options to wager than any place online. You can get in on their season opening bonuses today and start off wagering on win division and championship futures today. So head to bet on live today and take advantage of all the great sign up bonuses bet online your online sportsbook experts. All right. So now starts. Welcome back. Ross starts with Rick. Flair the big show Christian and Shawn Michaels and H K got pyro for his pose but it was late. Like right. Like son of a bitch. Yeah. There's actually a really funny video of when he was wrestling in the pilot was late and he was like pissed off and he was like mocking the pyros it's really funny. Go check it out if you find it. So Shawn Michaels welcomes everybody to Monday night. Let me introduce to you the W champion edge imagine. Dire. Drew comes out. He tells the Ford legends how much they mean to him especially, big show who tried to take the title from. Yeah in April. After he wanted other turn your. Then, he says, he beat Ordinal by himself to retain the asking. Oh my God. But then wwe pumps in cheers and drew looks at the fans and says, wow, look at that virtual reaction. That's awesome. And it was just this like horrible line that they clearly wrote in the script unlike they showed the virtual screens and it's so awkward when everyone just sitting there like this. Like they're not sharing like mount mouth readers you know. Like no one's cheering. No one's moving. Yeah and you have these loud cheers being pumped in. That's where it would sound if they use audio sound off. Sound horrible. It's like. A. Screen it's GonNa Yell Me. And then. Sometimes like this shaking. Up and then. Most. Guys playing like four I like trying to look at his camera. Smashes the control. This book this is boring but. So Shawn Michaels sells drew the deserted that we wanted to even the yards which even the odds okay. Drew McIntyre's 6'7 Dude it's five against one. So he's like. Dude I agree. But if you're. involved. He was only vote. So they make a joke there. And then McIntyre. Says it's fine early proved. They could beat Randy Summer Slam with up. Then, Orton appears on the Titan Tron and he says, this is an over edge until I say it's over. You. Think you went through hell with me last night you have no idea what hell is foreshadowing. So of course. He Says I. WON'T STOP TILL. I'm wbz champion. So there you go. There's your to Helena some matches you got McIntyre. Tired. Horton Sasha Bailey. So that's it no more, and then he left with his suitcase in hand. Yes guaranteeing we'll see you later in the show of course. Guaranteeing. So. So drew's like Oh. You'RE GONNA beg for a rematch up to beg for anything but thirteen time champion. Just want everyone to know that there's a price to be paid when you cross the legend killer how many straight pay per views that he lose to gender think three. Yeah. So he's going to do it again is at least two. Well, it's funny. I saw this. saw this online. So basically, the wwe title has taken the same route as it did after mania last year. Yes. The first person to challenge for was Dolf Ziglar and then at Summer Slam, it was defended against Randy Orton and at clash of Champions Radio Morton. Randy at summer slim and clash. Which means now, he's got to lose seven seconds to brock. On the season premiere all. Right yeah. You know what they didn't do that this year. I guess because of Covid right you'd. Go It's the season Premiere Raleigh. Last week asshole. Ask stupid actually take fucking break once in a while as the what's better? The show would be if they took a month i. would be if we can. Have a month of re capping classic, Ron Yeah. That'd be great. Jeez I mean if anything the season premiere of W E is the Roy after mania like right when everything's we've always said that that's when the season starts. Yeah New Year. Yeah. So Jer then casually says, I'M GONNA put my title on the line tonight I'm issuing an open challenge anyone. I have not defended this title against yet and then he tells the legends I. Know You guys are parting tonight I'll see after the show they don't be drinking that because you're not gonNA hollick seriously. It was it was really off putting away. Yeah. Rick Psych. Promises Finger. Yeah. He did say when he was saying like and I got all these legends, the largest athlete, the showstopper he's I think he's the goat maybe about or something and he goes and the guy never quit. High Christian around the guy who never quit or something like that. He quit I. Think. He was forced to but he said fighting champion actually just he did say finding champion fighting champion. Find. Camping, for sure I already say, yeah, he could've just said the Mr Charisma that would have been. Better Captain Charisma. Yeah so all right next up, we have Selena Vega versus Oscar for the raw women's Championship uh. What did Vega do when the three minute match at the pay per view hey. Hey for minutes. What did she do? A knows what she did after she attacked off. Her and see jobs see the problem is you don't know Japanese after she attacked Ran Away Oscar yelled at Japanese. I'll give you another shot tomorrow. Why did she say? Accurate. She did. This Guy Gordon. Funnel that Andrew if you hit Joe, you get a shot at the Oh. Great. Forming Ya. Thank. Boom number. So. anyways. The two of them have a brief shouting match backstage before the match but. Good old pat buck gets in between Oh. Good. All Pat Buck Canadian tweeted Vega Winston I swear to God. The. But. Of course, now, Vega gets the job or entrance. So you already know what's happening right she hits the backstabber goes for the pin and she kind of Hooks Oscars leg but then realizes she's not supposed to because that's the leg gotta use the put her foot on the rope, and that's how Oscar breaks up the pen. Then Vegas goes for a moon salt off the top rope but Oscar puts her knees up and makes Vega tap to the Oscar lock. After the match on Friday comes out and tells, Vega, you're nothing without me. You're the weak link and then he tries to cut a promo on his own and we're reminded why had Vega in the first place and then he and then he literally goes into Spanish so that he can actually talk a little bit. Yeah and he he almost an open challenge but an open challenge for what for watches to challenge you buddy right? If anyone out there wants to kick my ass. MC. So, of course, keithly comes out that. Spirit bomb like four minutes. Quicker. than. Oscar beat Vega. Yeah. which by the way I love Vega and she could do some stuff but it's it's obvious she has more. In Ring work to do yeah, I mean mature she used to wrestle on the indies, but it's been a long time since she's wrestled consistently right? She's very slow in the ring, but hopefully, you can get better. Earlier today MVP and Shelton Benjamin or eating at a table. Some random guy shows up and six sits next to them Lastly then walks up tells the guy you're in my seat. So the guy moves to the other chair sitting closer to MVP last she says, you're still in my seat and the guy's like, oh, great dory and he gets up to leave but then lashes like or you're GONNA take my food to so lashley takes his plate of food and the hurt business has a good laugh while the rest of US fall asleep yeah. Random do. This is their way of showing us that the hurt business or bad guys yes. They bully some little some poor schmuck catering. Wow, I hate them. People you can have food. There's a whole buffet of it right next time I will literally go get more. Yeah. Yeah. No problem. So backstage. Are Truth is playing chess with little jimmy what an injury shows up and says Mr Truth. I have a message for you close it. And the messages from Seattle which reads are truth you're reading this I was eaten by a Shark I. Cherish Our memories and matches to get some bullshit like that and truth is sad the Ninja opens up a briefcase and it's toes our black belt and truth is honored to receive such a gift but then does our rolls up truth from behind win the stupid belt. then. The Ninja hits out with the briefcase to win the stupid belt. Then it turns out it's actually drew galactico. Okay. But then truth it's Gulick with the briefcase to win back the stupid belt. Yes. And this is not over also backstage, Murphy is texting on his phone when Seth rollins walks up super happy because he can't wait to see the mysterious family on King's Court tonight also kings court tonight. Yeah. Like king like corporate and has a court yes, he does on wrong. Okay. So Seth S Murphy why are you wearing your ring gear? You don't have a match tonight go put on that I. got you and then Murphy walks away and leaves his phone behind like it shoot dumb ass would. Right. So Seth, just doing puts it his pocket, right? All right. So we have king's Court hosted by Jerry lawler of course. And the mysterious family comes out. Ray tells us that he is the father of Dominic, Leah? Okay thanks. That's good. Good to hear. Dominic. Dunn says next see Seth Rollins put an end to all this site. Same thing they've been saying for like five months right? Why is your family still on the show and browse? Dominic. Heard before the last thirty episodes of. So proud of him. So proud I continued to be proud my son again. Hey, ray we ever not be proud. I. Will Never not be proud of my son. So Jerry. Lucia Odin. Jerry's next question. He's like all right now, I want to ask a Leah Leah how are you feeling right now? How are you feeling because your dad called you naive. That's the generation though now you know these kids are so sensitive. Really. Really. So Elliott takes a deep breath and she says I'm still upset about what happened last week and as far as Murphy goes, he came up to me, I didn't I didn't go looking for him. So I don't know what to think about him and then ray kind of says something to his daughter. So then she says, oh, but whoever surrounds themselves with Seth rollins these reevaluate their life because he's an evil person Blah Blah Blah. So then seth appears on the Titan drawn and he shows us the texts between Murphy and a Leah and. Texts they were Deanne. DMZ But they were tagged they were sex. Let's. Look like the INSTAGRAM DM, scream maybe whatever who gives a shit? Kreis does it really matter Eric that's text is it more like accident still texting whatever? Matter, where they technicality I think it was what's APP actually Discord. Definitely kick facebook. facebook. I'm surprised they didn't have a sponsor. Well, let me just pull up. Facebook Messenger. FACEBOOK say so easy. APP, and it quickly cuts to. ARCHERD DANCE AND FACEBOOK is book. Is Use. I want to say you. anyways facebook APP. Yeah. So in the texts Murphy apologizes again, he says, if you WANNA talk about it, I'm here Elliott replies I might just take you up on that offer by the way. Happy Birthday. Scandalous so raise upset at a Leah but Elliott tells her dad. Murphy's not like Seth and she walks away again. Dad. And then backstage, Murphy walks up to seth and he's all pissed off at him. He takes his phone back and he actually put his hand on set like he's going to attack them. But then dominic attacks Murphy even though Dominic said, he was going to attack seth, he does Murphy. But they're dairy texts, my sister, and be respectful of a woman. Yeah. But there quickly split up by refs Jamie Noble and Pat Buck. So they go. We'll come back to that one kiss my sister except me. Next time we have an Italian and Lana in Ring Promo, they demand that Niane Shayna be stripped of the tag titles and they just want the titles awarded to them. Sure. Yeah. So Adam Pearce comes out and says, that's not going to happen but you can't have a tag match right now calm down teddy long against the newest members of raw women's division hold on. Let's do the random wrestler tag generator machine. Yeah. Do Data Brooke. Mandy rose yes and W champion week. This is the first we're hearing of Dana Brooke being on RAW. Yes. We never got answers for what rod traded to get Mandy they traded Dana Brook. No smackdown smackdown was like wait. Humanity many brokers on smackdown yeah. Well Ninety percents well, they said that she was. So that's why Boob Nova she was than that. Yes. She's Bit So. But no case you're wanting raw give I found out Rog a future considerations for Mandy Course Dana Brooke was given away by smack. Right. Yeah. So What do you want for I mean Just. Take her you pay the fifty thousand dollars for contract subway coupon or something i. know there's gotTa be something in your wallet. So everyone in this match was wearing pink think Pink Pink Pink Pink. Dana clothesline Italian Italian rolled out of the ring but was standing up and looked fine than three seconds later I guess she remembered she got close line and then slowly fell to the floor boy thrall you Dana sympathizers I'm sorry Natalia. Sympathizers Legacy Holy Shit's dying and then he gets the win by kneeing Lana in the tits. The. tits. And then later, Mandy tells crew so that She Dana are coming for the tag title. Okay are they. Sounds. Great. Sure. Yeah now. So what are the odds that Lana wins match ever again? Hopefully never ever I mean. have she wanted match I mean she's one of match before he's been pinned through announced tables ever since Miro. debuted on dynamite I know poor thing. Well, D want her to win. Even be wrestling. She's not a rich. No, she should be a manager that's all she should have been I don't know why they make every one wrestler doesn't make sense the ones that need to be wrestler. Miss Elizabeth. Like this Elizabeth was around today, they would have make her wrestler. Yeah, and should be doing mixed tag matches randy. Savage. fucking stupid. and. Then we'd be talking about randy savage like, wow could you imagine vince is such an idiot this guy be huge. Huge. Star Mrs. Fighting Alastair Black she had such a story arc inevitably but then when she went to N. w. o. she literally did. Just came to the ring with like. No. My TV is this getting paid for this? Yeah. It's it like literally nothing. All right. So backstage were in the in the legend's Lounge. We're in a very small room like the smallest room they could find I think this room is big. I'm not even this was a real room. Now this was like there were two walls and then behind Shawn Michaels was just a curtain but they like they didn't want to show it because it was like clearly as in a real room. Owner of the arena yeah. So they're playing cards in the street prophet show up and they're like. Brother A. To be continued. Next we have Kevin, owens versus allaster black. So. allaster backstage video pro before the match he calls out Owens for claiming to be a good man and hoping that the people he hurt will forgive and forget, and then he takes off the piece of covering his injured eye and now his I is solid black. And he says I will never forget. will the maybe you should go fucking attack seth wrong right the one it he's mad at Owens for not saving him from Seth. rollins. When were they friends? What did they tag once against the rollins? You Tag. Wants. Best Friends. Family. By the way like when will this? When will he stop worrying this contact? You know like a year for now it's like all right is is is news. Anymore does raise is match like do they match? We'll see these. Pat He's still on his matt is where they different. showed, it always had the patch on did CAIN did game remove contact eventually? Of course corporate. I'm waiting for the contact to canal, mid match. Mark God so So, Kevin Owens comes out I followed by Alastair blacks new entrance music take. Home. To. Look. What the fuck takeout all of that. The beginning on allaster has a comment. Just like that. Okay just start with that cool drum solo. That'd be cool way to start the music. First of all, it's all gibberish. Some. I think they're saying his name backwards are. offered. Recording like plate reverse can't. Black. And then it's just a shitty version of his original song which was amazing. Yeah by the way. So he has a new song. He has new entrance. He doesn't have the rising up part anymore. No, and he doesn't flip into the ring, do the backflip and. We'll see where new gear he looked like eight ball from delay. Who Off? Yeah like Holy Shit, this this version of his song reminded me big time of Vincent hpk to. You. Owe a horrible venture just like, Hey, can you make that same song but we don't have to pay CFO Anymore de. Right. They took away every cool thing about this guy. Yeah and now down to boring, and now he's just a guy. Now he's just a guy some guy So Owens gives allaster a Santana off the apron onto the floor. That was nice. But in the end, Alsir was punching owens while Owens was up against the ropes. So the ref pulled him off Alastair went back to punch. Ellen's the REF got close in Alastair. elbowed the REF in the stomach by accident. So the REF Dijk, you'd Alastair Yeah so sloppy they could've made it look like he he did it on purpose and like again they made it look like an accident. So why is the REF right queuing make it look like and then they argue about it. So Alastair yells at the rap, but then owens hits him with a stunner course and then as Kevin Owens walks up the ramp Alastair says I'll keep fighting you keep being a bitched. Going to okay. Yeah. Next we have our truth versus Drew Gulag versus a cure toes out for the twenty four chaff. Dot Com. It's she cut y'all. Yeah. She knew why are we doing this again? It just happens. So gulick into our team up on truth before the match by the way. Yeah. I put every dollar I could find on our truth. Yeah but it was negative million. I couldn't even match. The Bat Knicks. So gulick and our team up on truth. But gulick ultimately betrays does our tosses ring Goulash Puts Truth in the Gulag but truth gets out and TAZAWA heads Goulash with a sentence bomb off the top rope truth then gives us our some move and then he as Goulash Onto his our truth retains. Heroes John Seen and fun you. Next. We have murphy versus dominant. Dominic Stereo. Finish Kyri right. Dominic heads, gloves, reruns these. Yes. Dominic s control the match. So he goes to the ring and grabs a Kendo stick. However. Leo runs out and begs her brother not to hit Murphy with it's of course, dominic yells back Leah but then Murphy Rolls Them Up for the win after the match dominant kits Murphy with the candlestick and he tells Leah Dad was right you are naive you are. Right. Yeah. That would be one thing consider when You want but no. Matches had where he doesn't go and get a Kendo stick. No. Now, I want to know the person that would get so upset to slap someone just for them calling them naive right like who would who would react that way I don't know but I think Eric's pretty naive about it. Yeah. I think Eric's pretty easy. Stuff word we'll Joe, you're pretty naive to think he wouldn't slap you there. By the way you could have hit me harder just because the cameras on just for next time want. This year beard. So what does the Lia do sheet? So she slaps dominic and she does what she always does walks away right the third time to no four because he did backstage last week to four fourth time I roll weeks walkaway she walks away us. So it's horrible. So backstage, all lead to. Her being a part of Seth team because Murphy convinces joined back with Seth. Or their their own thing Murphy if I guess mysterious said I'll resign if you give my whole family contracts. If I were Vince I'll be like. No nope no. To pay my wife he's like to be an actress on your show. Let me see your daughter. Very Nice Miss Your. Wife. Let me see your daughter. Yeah How would you have just said no, no, I'm not doing this and not giving your wife a fucking contracts. Yeah. Like hell. So all right backstage does tells Adam Pearce I got the perfect guy to challenge drew McIntyre for the wwe championship at appears like now you've already edgy chance he's like no not me not me come on we need to talk and they walk away and at that point they ruin the surprise they ruined it. Like why why do you? Why do that? We're dominic trained to be wrestler. Lint. Storms. Wrestling School. Yeah. Yeah, Okay Alberta the storm Wrestling Academy. All right. Cool. They use only there for a couple of weeks because it was freezing. Paul's on. So next, we have hurt business versus Apollo crews, ricochet and Mustafa Ali who. You could hit again I think that was the original. So, this match is happening because the hurt business caught. Mustafa. Ali Walking out of their locker room. Why was Ali in their locker room? Will never care we'll never know. Where Cedric Alexander. Again, not there because that's where I thought it I think maybe he's in there trying to talk sense to cedric right. But then MVP says we sent centric Zander away to hurt. Business. BOOT camp. On assignment. Yeah what Covert maybe. But so why was Ali in there like they don't explain it all and he's like, oh. Sorry guys I'm lost. So they get upset about that. So early in the match, the lights flicker and retribution logo POPs up everywhere but they never show up. I mean they also have. Yeah. That's the COVID. On a no, no Slab Jack. No none of them. So I'll. With the four fifty splash for the win was actually pretty surprised that the good guys won here right Because they never they never win but who cares So next time we have another beyond Belair Video She was super cute in this video my God this time she's outside racing in like a fifty meter dash against two guys and one woman, and of course, easily wins the first race. Then she gives them a fifty five second head start for the second race, which it's a fifty meter dash like they'd almost done right eight seconds not even. So she wins that again, and then for the last race, she adds hurdles to her only her lane, and of course, she wins again in their only golf. So is this a he'll thing? No, it's gotta be. It's because she usually wins. Yes. No because she's like, Oh, I'm so good that I can put hurdles I sas this. Hurdle list yeah, I, don't know. It's hard to tell. I don't think she's a he thinks you know. We're supposed. We never know which I do. She's a good. He'll. We've never seen he'll bianca on dividend ramming. Next up we have drew McIntyre is open challenge. And the return of Robert Rude WWe championship nicely back. He has not had a haircut since Cova. NOPE NOPE came right from Canada So rooted glorious DDT thanks to sacrifice by ziglar. But of course, McIntyre kicks out. Yeah. Rude. Goes for another one. But drew counters with the claim more for the win Good to see rude back but obviously, he's not win the title, right? Oh. Yeah. No obviously, it's funny because that's who Droubi in Annex T to win the title the title fuck that's true. Bobby route. That's right well Bobby Roo. Yeah Yeah. Robert this is Robert. Totally different. Yeah. This guy's an asshole but no. Nice nice to see route back and I'm sure next week we won't see him again right love nothing. He'll go to smackdown do nothing. And then after that, we go backstage where we see a giant janitor, this guy's like six, six, seven they should sign this. Janet he's got a hood over his head and we actually saw him earlier in the night when MVP Pasta water bottle on the floor and told the guy to pick it up and they even the janitor was hiding his identity. I was like who's this giant janitor? The janitor grabs a chair walks up to the legend's lounge door. He takes off his hood and mask, and of course, it's Randy Orton. Randy walks inside and we still have the four legends in there. Then he puts on his night vision goggles and shuts the lights, and that's where we hear the multiple chair shots with no other noise. We can't see anything and then finally or turns the lights back on all four legends or laid out on the floor or leaves the room puts his back on Adam Pearce Pat Buck and officials run by an points to legend's lounge like as his back is facing them. Yeah. You better in this guys like that way like, yeah no shit they were going nowhere. And they're not watching raw right how did they were they watching and saw that Randy Orton was acting like the janitor? Right. If they're not watching raw, how did they know this happens, right? And if they saw, how do they know how do they not know that was Randy Orton and why would? Car Problems and why radio need to hide from referees. It's like they're going to beat him up. No No. They were trying to make this so much like so look like a bank robbery like frame movie you know like Oh he got he got away with it I. Never of heat I guess he can't get suspended because he got away with it even though the cameras were filming him. So they run into the room as Orton slowly walks away and the show. So who runs up to the JANITOR ANYWAY JANITOR? Yeah we're we're emergency measure. Z. Canada. Okay thanks really. Thanks for clean of the body I'm optum up. On one corner right. So Some pointing this out in our facebook group. That the goggles were actually welding goggles freely saw turning off the lights it would've been even darker. Like the opposite of night vision couldn't find some fucking night vision goggles. Off Amazon, you could probably find some I had night vision goggles for like ten years I. Got Him with a call of duty game. Yeah. They actually worked to pretty cool. Well, we I mean we played with some lately and I was like Jim Magic. We have these we were ten even better. We got him over forty years. Of course. Yeah. So also Nicole baking in a longtime listener. She pointed out that there is a part where Orton was on there and you could see in the arena any was empty. Like. So this was taped well before they did like fun Radio Way. What are you talking about? Apparently, Orton was on screen and they. Cut The camera in a way where you could see in the arena. And there was like nothing going on during the backstage segment. Yeah. Well. Why would there be anything going on though there was no match. You mean, there's Thunderdome yeah, there's no like fans on the screen You Bet depending. Only on the camera side. Thought around the entire thing so The now it's not. Yeah. It's the entire noticing it. Could have been to the there's it goes to the commentary side as well. But obviously, not seeing the side that we could have seen could have been the empty car camera site. Yeah maybe. I don't know maybe maybe at the C. to form a believe it but. But right that is over smackdown raw. So let's give some awards for these shitty shows. Yeah okay. Who did you have for worst-dress Randy Orton. I drew dulack for dressing up like a fucking and I had allaster black for changing everything cool about him. Yeah. Okay. Best dressed I'm Mandy. Had Sloppy Bliss Oh. Yes. Sloppy blitz. runner-up Bianca, belly, I always put layer. It was really hot but my God. I acting the ministerial family. Oh, I specifically had a Leah but yeah, that's that's fair. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Best Acting James. I J you so. You know. Worst comments. Are True saying again, why did his Allah getting a valid? Let's go with that not Alastair Blacks the beginning of his music. I. Have Different Award for that I. Couldn't take out. Just. A best comment I'm GONNA see Geez Promo that he. Yes He. Beaming, which one are you those great yep. Sweep it worst match on. Indian Dana vs. On, yes, that's it. But like also, the fact that Vega got squashed for the second night in a row that was my slow match because it was Levine was Corbin Riddle K. was the hurt business doing anything best match I guess Hari Styles Zane now. Drew. Versus Rude. Yeah jrue rude. Mean none of them were. No, there were no great matches. That's sure. Worst move I, got an Italian. Oh, selling the clothesline like an idiot that's correct. Not needed the tits neither tits is pretty bad too but not selling it on the. Best McIntyre was like in the tree awo on and then he liked sat oh yeah rap Ruth Ryan flipped him over. Yeah. That was great at the. Very, well, no, he's done that oh? Yeah. Yeah. He does that a lot now. Okay but it's still a great move. But yeah. There was nothing that original. So I just want with all these four fifty splash I haven't seen one I went with when. The chair shot to Shawn Michaels in the dark right in the dark. Don't win win truth hit. TAZAWA with the briefcase. Gula Gula Yeah like the briefcase like bounced off his hey, my real I laughed out loud like Oh. Yeah. That was a great show, right so I put back. Made me laugh. Worst moment or segment. I that's where I put. ALICEA blacks knew everything Kay had the twenty four seven. Title Segment. Yes. The backstage one like that. Too and I had the refs and everyone not knowing that oranges did that even though they just watch it on TV. Best, moment. Ruth Return Yeah. The reveal. Sure. rights breaking news. was last week but we you know this was after we did the show rest in peace road warrior animal who died last week at the age of sixty. Now both road warriors passed so We got some good tactic matches going on the afterlife. And they said it was natural causes but obviously. You know. Right. They haven't said anything yet I don't think the autopsies back yet but. We'll see and we talked about the upcoming draft. It's going to be October ninth starting October ninth smackdown, which would be next week not this one, and then it's going to end on the following raw. And then James Storm told pro wrestling sheet that he agreed to terms with wwe and was set to debut after Wrestlemainia thirty six like the night after the raw until the pandemic changed everything. So. He's GonNa be there. are no longer with impact wrestling neither is I don't care. Katie, Forbes or whatever half She she's so nasty. She got fake everything everything on his fake. So Gross. So RV said, he's doing some projects with wwe, but he didn't specify what he meant. he also spoke about potentially going into the hall of fame and he said he want Paul Heyman to induct him. So, we'll see. Happen although they're gonNA. You know if we have wrestlemainia next year like somewhere. They're going to have. Yeah. Might just be in Tampa Florida might be a place where they're allowed to do it. NIGGA got Hollywood back at Tampa Bay we're going to Orlando. Say must've? But yet they do that. They're just gonNa because they never got to put in all the people that got selected last year like the Bella twins. Remember who the top name was I know jbl is in there who was leased Teesta. Okay, that's right and then The last thing I had was Joey Ryan has filed a fifteen million dollar lawsuit against three women who accused him of sexual misconduct. And it's these lawsuits are at saying he wants each of them to pay him. Hundred. Thousand dollars a month. Like what? Rich. It's just like these lawsuits are crazy but a work may. No one him. That's all I have for. We'll go to rumors. Rumor. Time. Kevin Owens wins back the universal title maybe Ballard Club to finally get a second member to. Rock listener willingly works a full schedule. No. Next year's Wrestlemainia will be in Saudi. Arabia So yeah, you know the rumors that there's no retribution on underground because of the recent covert outbreak within wwe. Apparently. Everyone in retribution has been in contact. Obviously, we don't know who has the can't reveal that really, but I guess raw underground to You know the whole area it's such a small underground place right your words and coughs everyone's fucked. I wanted to is one of the strippers had it. She gave it to everyone. And they all got Kovin area blow jobs, you can get it via. Really it's a sexually transmitted. Ab I, mean, there's a whole there could get in there and get everywhere else I'm sure I can probably can. and Angel Garza suffered a leg or hip injury a classic champions doesn't seem serious, but we also don't know how long he's going to be out. Yeah. Oh Darn, we won't get. Oh. No. What's Debbie GonNa do no Demi you know it's funny. We haven't seen demi since retribution went after her so they probably murdered her they probably. You looks delicious. You know what? She's the six member of. Six. member. No she'll she'll be six hundred, and then she's six, my God I. Guess We'll just call her six. Six member where you can't you that you own. Right right right. That's all I ever rumor. So I guess it's Trivia time. I ever play I to get it. So you guys are competing against each other. There's one answer if you get someone then I'm going to keep going the other person can wait to hear the rest of it. Okay. I am the only superstar in history. To have competed WRESTLEMAINIA. Competed or summer slim competed or survivor series. Royal Rumble. Of Money in the bank. Takeover. To thrones and Not True. Good. Guess let's here the last clue. In an annex. All I know is you K now at? maller unbalanced. Because you're probably right to go. Yeah. Sure. Do I. Bet a lot of. Sucking I mean I feel bad I almost had it but it turns out a Busted too early. Talents. Taylor Zulus turn all right fan question. Yes. Vanguard to what do you guys think of Oh he's mentioning the three faces of Wyatt's the rumble that would. Be Amazing everyone's talking about it right now, every lunch talking about everyone's talking about it's great. Even Joe Biden and doesn't want to see it happen to vote for me. Actually starting, soup. Own. VINCIS. Don't forget I used to own Monday night rock and it again. Yeah. Michael Benson lowest price ever right now. Watching it so Much. Shitty wrestling I love. Love. My favorites, my share mention of it just tripled the ratings everyone. Michael Benson eight guys was wondering if I can get a birthday shout out for my father Jay from Jesse and Vince. Happy, birthday you pastor. Five. It's actually Jay you show that's the birthday boy. Has A son old enough to text us. So you mean I made him job on his birthday. That's right. Jake. Fifty. Tremendous. Ravishing Rick Moranis is there any story line or title rain that ended prematurely due to injury that you really wish you could have seen continued this one's easy. Champa and Johnny Takeover Brooklyn. Yes. That was going to be part three champ. Yes. That Johnny beating Champ for the title would have I. Mean it was still amazing. It was amazing. But it would have been the fucking greatest thing ever Champa for it. He had you that was the whole point of this whole story line. Yes. Over there's another one see it's funny. You say in Ballard but not really because then Kevin Owens became the and. Yeah there's another one and it Seth rollins first title reign Member he tore his ACL or whatever to give it up, and then then they had this shitty tournaments. Excited like Oh, my God tournament and it was a stupid tournament sucked. Yeah and then it ended with Roman beating Ambrose for the title. But then right after that shameless broke kicked reigns became the WB champ. So we went from Seth Rollins to Sh- Amos. Yeah. Holy Shit a matter of weeks that might be like the worst like the. Because we had shame as like, we didn't know where it was going to go. It probably would have been set vs Romania I'm Leah but. Yeah. Justin Stewart how long do you think it will be before we get an Alexa Bliss and fiend live sex celebration? Will they have? They have to win something I? Yeah and then Vince, you'd have to go back in time and stop Benoit from killing his family so that W we doesn't go PG. So that's a lot to do Justin but get ready bill that time. Yeah. Wow workout. Well, Kyle Foxton, isn't it nice to see the big show and drew McIntyre get along so quickly after main eventing wrestlemainia short. Technically it was the main event. was. The. Dashing Dan Push. Fairbury Debbie beards. Sammy Zane Braun strowman Daniel Bryan. Has a small fire fire bronze yeah. I don't like Blake Sammy's. Belly Button. It's like a homeless man. They're all kind of Shitty, all like, what are we choosing these beards for ourselves give me fire fire fire fire. I would push that fire to their beards. I like bushy beards not like I pushed Daniels Nice long guys you like me. Ella Bush's Bush's. God Yanks Kill that would fire. Killing fire? King. Swiss with how Good Samoa Joe K. O. and even Bailey have been on commentary should be a special commentator each night maybe using well, that's what a WSB been doing with Jericho and it's been great. So that's been great fine. What he's most was good I'd rather Joe. Commentary like flair for night. Sure One night I'd rather have the times when he's awake. Amazing. Amazing. I'd rather have owens even more amazing. We snoring on. No. But I'd rather see Owens on commentary than his she feud with Alistair Black Right now. Nike why Samoa Joe's like I'm fine with taking my talent con- my wrestling contract on you just pay me that I'll be commentary I don't know if you do any shitty storyline school triple h was fun for the hour that he did. Yeah. Those super underrated as A. Role, he hasn't done a lot, but he's done it enough to and he's really funniest hpk. Yes. Really good on the Mike matches. So yeah, any of this would be great. Good idea. A Macho Man Randy average with the passing of road warrior animal was wondering if you guys have a favorite rescuers memory or moments, I don't know I formation of DX. Against them what I mean I said this on the. podcast but it was like the first time I saw them was when they debuted after Wrestlemainia when they were with sunny. I never saw those guys before and I was like these are the coolest looking motherfuckers ever seen in my life when. When they? As a kid when they teamed with ultimate. Warrior who was the champ at that time against the three men demolition. That was a pretty big deal. Yeah. So maybe my favorite moment as a kid. Robert enwright hey remember when drew dulack was being lined up as an equal and potential rival to Daniel Bryan also who did they trade for him? No, I don't remember that. While wildcards. Yeah. It's the brand of brand quarterly bullshit. Mike Dawes does the Robert Route Return on raw mean that he can't be the mystery next person. Wouldn't even make sense for that to be him. You know. Matt silly now that Randy Orton is the spy who will be his first pay per view opponent in an espionage match. ooh, and then drew McIntyre ran the man says alister black metal gear solid I cover like he looks like random is right. He looks like solid snake from your soaking top to bottom. Line Rahman. So Florida's officially removed all cova restrictions. Do you think the first to start having full capacity crowds W. W.? W W still has like three weeks left on that thunderdome deal. Right. Aws already got people in the crowd yes. Correct Yep Allan Dick if they if there had to be something for other sports, what would you choose getting a two minute penalty in a box during tag team matches calling a time out and anytime or having instant replay on a wrong referee? Well, we've they've done that before. Yeah. Only want to yelling when they want. Right. The instant replay would be funny calling a time out just I don't know I kind of like the penalty box could be interesting to throw challenge flag. Right Jake Baker pushed for Berry Kovic in nineteen fans or Otis as wbz champion after cashing in clearly that. With a push cova with no life fan. Yeah. Fire here at Kovin. Barry. No. Fan It's a firefighter push right there Steve The dawn Volante Andrew Thank you for letting me join you in playing among us who would be a better imposter joe or Eric. Eric. Do we get to talk of the Mike. Now yes. Supposed to is that when you plan your phone, you can you can yeah yeah, it's really really good so much and now we're playing this. Daming Bushfire Berry being Rosebud for Adam rose part of no way as Congo line being retribution member. That's all one the same I mean, what is it? I would fire the Conga line. I'd Probably Push Adam rose's. That was a party. Those guys are party Kane. Yeah Fuck Yeah push that all those strippers he added in there. Those are strippers I. Was In, was in the Yeah Becky Lynn sure ellerey PJ. Peres. Few Kid. If, you could have a wrestler origin movie. Would it be? I would say Bray Wyatt. Bucket origin movie for his character, right like see how he became. Bray Wyatt and you meet sister Abigail finally. That'd be really cool. Made him very wide that'd be awesome. To, see like triple h and when he was super rich and this and why would he want boring? Right the undertaker that's a horror movie. Will finally find out who set fire to that fucking house, right? No. I. Gained it. Then undertaker's that he did it now we don't know Barrett it at one point right? They all did it yeah. I think Hulk Hogan did it at some point Sure. Brother I'm sure it was written. It was me Brian's Randy Orton five. Yeah. Nick Ryder I. Swear You have to see the notification for this in the first ten minutes to get in on time? Well, no, you'd be wrong nick because this way late and you didn't have a question. Though is not a question it was more of a statement. Let's see that the thing. To get in here's the thing with fan questions. We can't read all forty five that were sent in this week that's usually the average so he can't set the choose like. Fifteen or something like that. Right and a lot of questions are either stuff. We already talked about in the show or like stuff that's brought up. anyways. That's why we don't. You know it's a look we appreciate everybody sends in a question. 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Retribution for The Underground - Notsam Wrestling 303

Notsam Wrestling

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Retribution for The Underground - Notsam Wrestling 303

"Today, I'm not saying wrestling we talk about the loss of a legend. We analyzed the underground Pat McAfee is a wrestler and more. This is not sam wrestling. In, producing your host from New York here is. Sam Rovers. Here we go guy. WHO Happy Monday? And Welcome. To not say. Why don't we do it why don't we start another week right? I think it's only fair. So much to talk about this week to welcome to the show. I'M A fan. Of things not being. Completely on the nose, all the time not everything needs to be spelled out. That everything needs to be announced. When we kind of made the change on this podcast from. A weekly interview show. To a weekly analysis show that sometimes had some interviews on it. I had my reasons for doing it. But at no point that I ever WanNa comment announce. Hey, it's a new era. This is what we'll be doing. I don't believe in that stuff. I I believe in a slow change and evolution. And if the people come with you, the people come with people are into it people are into it. But. That's. A positive. About. What we've been seeing in wwe in last really seven days or so. Because, if you look at throughout all three brands. This shows are clearly getting shaken up the brand is clearly getting shaken up. But, for the first time in a while. He didn't start with. One of the McMahon's coming out and making an announcement. It's time to shake things up. 'cause there is nothing that will guarantee that nothing is going to get shaken up and that everything will be business as usual. Like one of the McMahon's coming on TV and saying. We're gonNA shake things up. You know. Whether to draft announcement that. Within, six months ends up going nowhere. Whether it's you know. Everybody coming out on TV and announcing, we're going to start listening to the fans. The. Nonspecific stuff where they're like, well, we gotta say something that never goes anywhere. That's always an Iro for me because I know it's not going anywhere because if you had a plan, you would just start enacting the plan. The only time you hear somebody announced that they have a plan. It's when they're not ready to enact the plan. So they needed. All right. Well, the first week we can buy some time by just announcing that there is a plan. So then at least people won't. Keep asking me is what the plan is because we will have announced that there is a plan then we can figure had actually enacted. On the not Sam Show Patriarch page. On Thursday I want to say I shook up the tiers a little bit and clarified with all the Patriots rewards were four. And it wasn't like some big announcement. Hey, it's time to revolutionize time to shake things up. It's just like, Hey, we we have kind of been doing things this way but now let's make it official and it's like okay yeah. Like this is what I signed up for feel like we're moving in the right direction. So that's why I mean I kind of liked clearly, the wwe is trying new things. Without having to make the announcement ladies and gentlemen, we are trying new things. But before we get to the new things that the WWe is trying couple of historical. No To when I say historic notes, I, just mean. Conversations to have about incidents in the past history of you will first and foremost we do need to. Send a big R.I.P rest in peace to Kamala the Ugandan giant that Ugandan head-hunter depending on your era now, clearly The character by today's standards might not be the most sensitive thing of all time but. Kamala existed at a time when. Bad Guy Wrestlers were supposed to be scary. When? You believed. There was even if you knew what you were seeing wasn't completely on the up and up you didn't quite new know how it worked. And I can't speak to adults watching Kamala because I was never an adult. I mean I guess I wasn't adult watching volume, go back and watch the tapes but aside from the random appearance here and there on are you know Roy Reunion type show? Kamala really existed when I was a kid. Now Kamala was a big time. He'll across the territories. World class championship wrestling the like. He went to wwe in the late eighties and was a main event bag. I mean he was a rival of Hulk. Hogan, never had a I. Don't he never had a pay per view match with Hulk Hogan. But this was an Arrow when. Not every big. Match ended up on pay per view. I. Mean. The idea that every big match ended up on a pay per view. Really. Didn't take in until sometime in the nineties because I mean think about Hogan flair was never on a pay per view. Undertaker. Ultimate Warrior was never on pay per view publish Ongo alternate warrior was never pay per view maybe it was just the ultimate warrior regardless. Kamala had a pretty significant I would say run with Hulk Hogan throughout live events. In the late eighties he was one of the early monsters that were brought in The Hulk Hogan was going to have to stop the unstoppable now. I've seen the tapes available on the network I'm familiar with it. That was not the I was too young. In the late eighties. I. Might have been familiar with what was on TV the big big names that were on. TV. But If it didn't have a tour. I guess Kamala had a toy back then. But you know what I'm saying I. Just I wouldn't have been familiar enough with Kamala. He disappeared for a while and then he came back to the wwe. In? Nineteen ninety-two. And that is the Kamala that I remember most. He ended up staying there until like ninety four I, think he did about two years had the baby face turn and everything but Kamal is probably most significant. Run in wwe in that era. was his run with the undertaker. The undertaker by nineteen, ninety, two had kind of. Taken the lead as the baby face that would go up and get monsters would be brought in. For, the undertaker have to try to stopped and Kamala was one of these monsters. and. By then he was not the you've got an head-hunter anymore the giant. And he came to the ring with. Kimchi and with Dr Harvey whipple men. Give to you come Ma. And he would come out and he found his belly. ooh. Have the mascot and everything. Lots a very cool Kamala Harris figures have been made because that look. The current one, the last one that mattel made is probably my favorite but you've got the one from a towel. You got the Jacks Classic Superstars, you get the figures INC ledges of the ring. You got the Hasbro you got the AL J. N. I would probably go. Mattel. Hasbro N.. Legends. Of. The ring, Jacks. Think in terms of Kamala figures. But He was brought in he faced undertaker. Summer Slam nineteen ninety-two in Wembley Stadium and I remember at the time I would have been seven, eight, seven or eight years old. Which means what my brother would have been five something like that. And I remember. Telling it because you know Kamala was a cannibal at the time. And I remember telling my brother man just so you know. You know come on Kids Right He go yet no. I heard. I heard I. heard it kids. That's what I that's what they've been. We've been talking about that on the playground. Yeah I do know that and I'm like. Well, look. We got these tickets summer slam. They are floor seats. Okay. It's not too far from the ring. I have informed the Kamala. Has Not eaten in weeks. And is starving so just so you know. And I remember my brother being terrified. The Kamala was literally going to consume him before like like you'd be in his match with the undertaker and you'd get the undertaker down leave the ring area hop the guardrail. And consume my brother eat him alive. Which I did not. Quell his fears but to be honest. I was only making my brothers. So scared of Kamala to try to work through my own fear even at that age seventy, eight years old I was terrified of Kamala. I was scared of the Ugandan giant. Kamala was a scary scary Bagai. Him and Papa Sean go both scared me very very much. I believed him. I believed Kamala I believe the presentation when you go back and watch Kamala matches you know we didn't have the most varied move set in the world. You know the bonker pound on the head. The bad chop. But there are a couple of things. He did I his character work was. I mean. To the moon. Good. Good. Fabulous. Secondly. He had a hell of a leapfrog. He could really get some air on that leapfrog. The leapfrog was one of the most impressive things that Kamala did he also get that foot up in the air? Hitting you at that sidekick, he could really get air on that foot. So there were some things that Kamala did that were more athletic than I think people remember Kamala doing, and then of course, the painting the man while he was belly down in the Kimchi and Harvey Women No turn them over, turn them over tournament over. Of course the undertaker beat them summer ninety two and then that rivalry would continue. To survivor series nineteen ninety two. and. The first ever casket match. which you know the promos leading to the survivor series were Paul bearer and the undertaker, and they were building the casket and they're doing it just right and then they brought the casket to the ring and it had the two stars and the Moon. On the top of the casket that look just like come out. Come Torso. And It was great because they did this gimmick where it was the exact same thing when Andre, the giant fought, Jake, the snake Roberts. They did this thing I think it. WRESTLEMAINIA. Five. Yeah I think it was five. They did this thing where Andre was afraid of snakes. That's how they got around the fact that Andre was so much bigger than Shakey's afraid of snakes and Jake has a snake so Kamala as it turns out. deathly afraid of caskets who knew I, didn't but Kamala is afraid of caskets and so anytime we got near that casket. To get away from it. So undertaker obviously ends up beating him. Then beginning of ninety three. Camale, goes baby face becomes a good guy on. He would end up here. He was supposed to have match wrestlemainia nine against Bam Bam bigelow who is a heel at the time? But that didn't happen I think they ended up. Making a dark match or something like that. I think match did end up happening on an episode of prime time wrestling though and then not too long after that he left wwe again. I mean you know I. Don't think anybody wanted to see a baby face. Kamala. Tell you the truth he was replaced. Kimchi and. Harvey whipple men with the doctor of style slick who is now the reverend slick. And the reverend was there to teach Kamala you are a man camale you are a man, not a beast. But it was what it was. Kamala ended up leaving any popped up again in WCW. Let's give Kamala props. Khumalo is in the dungeon of doom. and. The committee to end Hulkamania or whatever it was called. It was Kamala, the shark, the Zodiac Gabor's beefcake, the taskmaster Kevin Sullivan. The. Guy. Who was sat on the Throne Who had all the blade job scars on his forehead? Dungeon of doom was not to be messed with Hogan destroyed them but still. They were not to be messed with I. Still Wish Mattel would put a big dungeon of doom box set. I. Am I, kind of an thinking that I need to get another Kamala figure from Mattel so I have one Kamala on display. With the wwe guys and then another Kamala on display next to the shark. So I can start building that dungeon of doom because they have the rights to Kamala, they had the rights to Bruce beefcakes theoretically, they could make a Zodiac. So I mean I would love for there to be A. Dungeon of doom. Grouping of Mattel figures. But that was kind of it. After that Camale, do a ton of indie shows ton of autograph signings. He'd pop up on WWe union stuff here and there. One of the earlier independent locker rooms I was in I remember tripping out because I was thinking about how scared I was of Kamala as a kid. And now I see this guy and he's back there and he's got his loincloth on but he's wearing a shirt. He's got all his paint on. But he's taken off his TV's. And I was like come on where where's TV's? trip me out ma'am. But recipes to Kamala certainly. A huge symbol of an era I think anybody that watch wrestling at the time and anybody who's into like over the top wrestling characters will always always always remember Kamala and it's always good to know like r.i.p Kamala trending on twitter just letting. You hope on some level. That when Kamala, past he realize the impact that he had had on wrestling fans in general and you know how much he'd be remembered I, know WWe is already put out a a thing from the website. So I will. I would imagine on raw some kind of graphic But I guess we'll see right we'll see the other historical context a conversation I wanNA have was wwe has a show on the network now called timeline. It's amazing by the way how the WWE network crew has found one hundred and fifty thousand different ways to package documentary. It's just like I. Swear to God I don't know between twenty. There's one call twenty four and there's another call three, sixty, five, twenty, four. Twenty. Four. There's three, sixty five. and. Then there's Day of. I'm assuming twenty four is not twenty four hours, but it's a shorter period of time where theoretically there followed around almost twenty four hours. Day of is that day only it's twenty, four, hour period three, sixty five is obviously following a person over the course of a year. then. They have untold. Now they have time line. and I mean so many other. Packages of documentaries retired law I mean. If it means more documentaries I, say do all of them keep packaging em? But. Time line takes. One I would imagine it's one rivalry, but I guess theoretically could be one character and just kind of goes over a period of time like this would only work for long form stuff but it tells the complete story and the time line. Show that they uploaded to the network yesterday, the is the premier is Daniel Bryan versus the. MS. I believe one of the more underrated rivalries of the modern era. I. Think that on every level. It's pretty much the perfect rivalry just because the MS and Daniel Bryan. Run so many parallels. But at the same time are so polar opposites. Theoretically. Have the same dream. But view that dream completely differently from each other. You know the idea and it really does begin think. Really begins even before that original tea season on the sci fi network really begins before that because even before Daniel Bryan got to wwe. Daniel Bryan was the simple Dana. Brown was the best wrestler in the world. Who is not in wwe and one could argue just the best wrestler in the world I mean if you never saw Daniel Bryan and ring of honor I saw him live maintain I, saw him live in a match with Nigel McGuinness and it was just like you knew Daniel Bryan Bryan Danielson. It was something totally different. One of my bring Mattel figures. Again, one of my favorite things mattel ever did was put out an American Dragon. Daniel Bryan figure because it's just it's just. Everything about that era is amazing to me. But as good as he was, he also symbolized everything wwe wasn't. He wasn't a Hollywood guy. He wasn't a giant. He's just an athletic wrestler. You know he wasn't tanned. He wasn't made of granite. Foot five. He didn't have an over the top personality he didn't have a gimmick. Bryan Danielson at the time Daniel Bryan eventually. And so I, think having that juxtaposed with the MS who in terms of being a wrestler not a superstar now sports entertainer but just a wrestler. Couldn't touch Daniel Bryan. But in terms of being a superstar. Was a way above where Daniel Bryan was. So you've got. Daniel Bryan representing wrestling in the MS representing sports entertainment right at the same time. Daniel Bryan gets signed to wwe. He ends up on the T- reality show on SCI FI, which is one of the greatest cringe watches. You could have on the wwe network any I remember when the MS was announced as Daniel Bryan's pro. It was like. An insult to those of us that had watched? Daniel. Bryan. Run his run as his career through the independence. Gung like if anything Dave Ryan, should be coaching. The is not the other way around and wwe knew what they were doing, and that's where the story begins in the story gets told all the way through but the reason that I bring it up. Is because I I? I literally found myself getting upset watching it. Because Of An opportunity that the WWe completely squandered. I think one of the reasons why we're looking at wwe right now. and seeing so much stuff get thrown at the wall is not just because of the weird time that we're and that's a big part of it. The quarantine cove is a huge part of it. I think the real reason is. Because wwe went a long time. Without kind of building stars that came out of nowhere. All the stars that were built it's like Roman reigns. You saw that one coming. From a thousand yards away. Even Seth rollins when Roman didn't work. It was like, yeah, I guess South Rounds. Clearly the next guy right and it's all this stuff that it's just not A. Surprise. You know it's just not you look at it. It's like okay. John Cena had the longest run ever. And then yeah, we'll. Clearly they're doing something with Roman reigns yowl clearly now they're gonNa do something with sad. Yeah, and it's not no giant stars are just forming. And it doesn't feel like like Becky Lynch. Becky Lynch thing should have happened with. So many more, but that's how every star should be built. Hulk, Hogan should be an anomaly. Hulk Hogan ruined it for everybody. He should be an anomaly. Vince McMahon vision for Hulk Hogan, and it worked Hook Line and sinker, but it's literally that has literally never worked for anybody else. Ever. Everybody else that has really worked for except maybe Johnson Johnson okay. It's worked for nobody else except Johnson Hulk Hogan. John Cena are the complete anomalies I mean think about it Bret Hart. was. He was literally wwe's last resort. And? Even as champion he was treated as wwe's last resort. Bread hearts legacy is due to Hart not due to being pushed not due to a position that he was in Shawn Michaels was never supposed to be. You know main event good. Guy Shawn Michaels he left wwe with no choice. The fans left every w no choice they went with Shawn michaels stone cold was brought in to be a good hand. The Rock was supposed to be Rocky Maya via. None, of these guys that ended up being the biggest stars ever. We're supposed to be the biggest stars ever other than Hogan and John Cena. So we're watching this chain go through and it's like well, yeah. Roman reigns can be the next guy no, he's not. Seth rounds is going to be the next guy. No, he's not. Okay. Well. Or Smart Guy, who do you think it should be? And the answer is I think that you have to. Be Really, focused. On, watching the momentum and seeing what really really works and seeing what might surprise you and changing course and just going with it like I've been saying put the title on Darin Corbin Hell I don't think it's a bad idea to go and have otis cash in and put the title on Otis 'cause. Here's something that I. There's two things watching this timeline number one, the money in the bank cash ins when they showed the MRS cashing and when they show Daniel Bryan's cash in it was like Oh. My God is the MS about to be wwe champion and you look at angry ms girl and it's like no f Ing Way and when Daniel Bryan cashed in, you're going. HOW COULD DANIEL YOU'LL BRIAN Be The champion of the World No freaking way. And that's how one would see 'em punk that's gone for. That's how women Dolf Ziegler. That's how a lot of people that cashed in. But now The unpredictability of the money in the bank has gone away. Completely the money in the bank does not have half the spirit that it used to. Because brock listener want it and Braun Strowman it and guys keep losing it. The person who wins the money in the bank ladder match you should look at them it should be Otis Otis is perfect. The person who wins the money in the bank ladder match should be a person who you look at going like he not going to be the champion and then he should win the title. Period. He's got to that's the way that you keep this an interesting prize. I mean brock listener winning the money in the bank. It was like an unpredictable moment at the time. But the briefcase. If used correctly can be this storyline lasts a year. Or as long as you want it to last and then at the whatever moment you want whenever whenever you want to pull the trigger. It can be this like all holy you-know-what moment. And it could be that for Otis, it needs to be that for quite frankly. I mean if I'm over there. I'm putting the title either on barren core been or on. ONA's. Literally Friday night I'm doing I'm doing it on television not on paper you. We're going to summer slam with a new champion period end of story if I'm there right now but that's besides the point. So the money in the bank stuck out of me but would, and that guy that did get me upset but got me really upset was re watching the talking smack Promo. Between the MS and Daniel Bryan that was a career making promo for the MS. And this is deep into the Mrs Career Look. I talked about how great the MS cash in was the Mrs Cash in was great. But that title rain was terrible. He had A. A paper view title Defense Against Jerry, the king lawler. And then he I guess technically retained in a Wrestlemainia main event that was all about the rock. And had nothing to do with John seen or the MS. And then he lost it right after that. So I mean, yeah. It was a terrible title rain and he probably wasn't ready for it anyway at the time. But you know when he was ready for it. In two, thousand, seventeen, twenty, eighteen. In twenty seventeen. The MS was definitely the best. He'll in the WWE. And might have been the best wrestler in the WWE. The news was the best. In two thousand seventeen nobody was better he was at his absolute peak. and. They never put the title on him. And then they just let him get lost in the shuffle. They did the Daniel Bryan thing with him and then after that, they let them get lost in the shuffle he there wouldn't be on TV. Or the new day would be messing with him or that was it. Like. It's so frustrating. To See. Hard. Work Payoff. Something worked so successfully. And then just get squandered. And I never ready to say that until it actually happens like I'm not the type that's ever going to be like, Oh yeah. We'll. The MS is hot now but they're just going to blow. They're going to blow it anyway. Because that's dumb attitude to have. That's a pessimistic attitude to have, and there's no reason to watch the show. 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Remember. The. B.. Team was a big act for a second and now is because the MS Toronto so over but that's because the MS was so hot. That MS Promo on. Talking smack. Should be in the Austin Three Sixteen Promo conversation. But the Austin Three Sixteen Promo conversation doesn't happen unless Stone Cold Steve Austin becomes the hottest wrestler in the territory. If Stone Cold Steve Austin doesn't Enter the main event scene? And, you can tie it all back to that Promo that Promo is not as important as you thought it was it doesn't just stand alone. It's where it ties in to what happened to Stone Cold Steve Austin and I'm not saying they should have been as big as stone cold Steve. Austin. I'm not saying the MS would have been the biggest superstar of all time but what I am saying is You could have had an amazingly interesting title scene and it would have been a great run. You know I mean Aj styles was a great. Champion. He had. Some great matches a great match with John Cena. You know. He had he had moments. But. You. Don't look at that rain as as defining. The MS having a wwe championship title rain in twenty seventeen. Would have changed everything. It wouldn't. It just changed everything for the Ms. It would've changed everything period. Because you would have had this strong he'll champion in the mid's. And eventually, either you'd have to turn a baby face which probably not a great idea. He doesn't do baby face well. Or? Can You? That's yeah. That's exactly what happened so. Now, remembering the misses the intercontinental champion on smackdown just through the roof, he gets drafted to raw. Which I think is just the dumbest thing ever. And then not too long after that he becomes a baby face and he loses every match. You remember it was wrong. I remember because I was covering it on the pre show. Royal. Rumble Twenty nineteen. He was back on smackdown. He won the smackdown tag team championships with Shane McMahon. After that. They lost the tag title. And he lost. Every match after that. They turned him baby face. Any lost. All of his matches. You have this guy. Who after a decade in wwe. Of nobody taking seriously. This is a guy who got thrown out of the locker, and this is a guy who wants told me a story. that he got thrown out of the locker room to the extent that he had to go and use the bathroom in the arena and in his gear p next to a fan. Because he wasn't welcome backstage he wear those ridiculous shorts. He had chick magnet t shirt he was a joke. He had a disastrous wwe championship title run. Somehow he's able to just keep working and just keep working and keep working and put the work in. And he finally reaches that Pinnacle. Any cuts. One of the best promos. Of the decade. I mean. I pipe bomb and MS on talking smack are. Probably the best promos of the twenty tens. And then. He gets drafted back and forth. He never gets the WWe championship. Any turns baby facing loses every match and it's like come on how how does that even happen So. It was a great special. But it really annoyed me. About how much everything got blown on the MS. And you know. You WanNa. Say You could fix it now but could you? Mrs Still Capable of it. But, I. Think he shouldn't be partnering with Morrison and you'd have to bring Maurice Back. And you'd have to making me he'll again but. You had it man you had it and it escaped. There's nothing that bothers me more than missed opportunities. I mean haunts me it haunts me. So speaking of haunted and speaking of smackdown. Before we get into I have noticed that I wanNA make on every show this week. And we'll probably go. We'll go. SMACKDOWN ANNEX T raw. I mean I. Guess We got an update on the haunting of Alexa Bliss but not really, and this is why I I'm I'm saying. I. Wish the title was not on Braun Strowman right now because I am so interested in what is going on between Bray Wyatt and Braun Strowman I mean. Bite. My tongue I am so interested in what is going on between Bray Wyatt and Alexa Bliss. So interested. I think I. Think the Bray, Wyatt and Alexa list of as the opportunity to be some groundbreaking material. I think it could be just what Alexa Bliss needs I think it could take the theme to another level. But when we didn't really get any answers, we just had that interaction. Where the fiend like Alexa Bliss showed affection for the scene and the fiend showed mercy for Alexa Bliss, and you're like what's going on here? and. Then branched roaming comes on and this promo that almost as a non sequitur like auto care about it looks bliss. and. I'm like okay. Well, I think the fiend does. But. All Right I. Guess that's fine and well, yeah like Brunch Roman is going to be the monster and I'm like, okay that could be interesting. I'll watch Braun strowman as a monster. Fight Bray Wyatt is a fiend like, okay I'm here for it. I'm not. GonNa, watch it but I am sitting here and said I'm so much more interested. In Bray Wyatt and Alexa Bliss than I am embraced Wyatt versus Braun Strowman so much more interested. I want the break, the Brunch, stroman, and stuff to just happen, and let's see what's going on between the fiend and Alexa. Bliss let's get to the bottom of this. You know. That's where I think way more of the energy. Should be focused and that's what I talk about. When you realize you've got something I think wwe needs to re watch these shows and even if the plan was. Like they I think they need to watch after the show airs I'm sure they don't have time I'm sure they're super-busy but. Like I, think that even if the plan is We're GONNA have. Alexa Bliss play this role, but it's really going to be about Braun strowman versus Bray Wyatt. I think. You have to watch the way that episode of smackdown ended last week. You know we when when the confrontation I happened between the fiend and Alexa Bliss and then kind of be aware of the conversations that are happening about it maybe listen to my podcast. I got all the good ideas scoops Roberts over here. And then go. Okay. Maybe we've stumbled onto something that's a lot more interesting than Braun strowman embraced Wyatt What what do we do with Braun strowman and Bray. Wyatt. Then once just have speed Braun strowman real quick. What the hell happened. I don't Know Have Otis P. Brunch Tromo. WHO's GONNA fight out after that. I. Don't know grim a whoever we'll figure it out. Otis's champion is going to be compelling. On? Its tone. Alexa Bliss and the FIEN are compelling on their own. Maybe, Braun strowman joins the fiend. After that you know keep Ron Stroman there and I don't dislike bronze stroman. I'm just way more interested in Alexa Bliss versus the fiend. So hopefully, that's the story that continues to get told as we go and they don't just kind of like blow it off, you know but. I think the big talking point on smackdown. This week was retribution. WHO coming off of RAW, of course. It was first announced on twitter on Monday that I new faction is coming to Monday night raw. Then, the lights flickered. then. We saw a box tipped over and Charlie Caruso is there to report on it. and. Then we saw people dressed up like TAZAWA's ninjas that were not as in inches. Throwing Molotov cocktails. At generator outside of the performance center. And people were like, what happened the faction I was like that's the faction thrum fire the Jenner they're letting generator on fire and dissection did what's the factions name I don't know and then wwe's twitter was like I do it's retribution I was like, okay retribution. That's your. There's your faction. And yes, it was very weird that we were getting a lot more information about the faction from twitter than we did on TV. But still it was one of those things where I guess we'll just keep watching would just keep watching the story will unfold. and has. Shown to be true. Because on smackdown, the lights flickered was like Whoa and this was a positive. Because realistically I was like if it's retribution. And they're going so far as rule-breakers that they will set the generator on fire and cheer about it. Why would they adhere to the brand extension rules? They're literally lighting the building on fire something I've threatened to do many times in frustration. Not One of them actually in the building I don't want to scare anybody. But here on this podcast, I mean I went through a whole era where I was threatening the light things on fire. But. I. Okay. All right. Why would they adhere to the brand rules the brain extension rules if they're lighting things on fire and they didn't. The Lights flickered on smackdown. And then they showed up, they ran out of the back they came through where the crowd would be and Michael said. Oh my God is that retribution and Michael Cole I mean who knew this guy could run as fast as he could run I'll tell you this. Michael Coles fight or flight instincts. It's not an or anymore we know exactly Michael Call has amazing flight instincts. He is going to get out of there. Michael Cole knows when to hold them and knows when to fold them and it was time to fold them Goodbye. Corey graves almost got his head caved in by baseball bat and here comes retribution. They come in. They push over a couple of camera guys the camera guys. All skeedaddle. They use the. Wall mounted and hard? Cams. The don't have a camera operator. And they zoom in and out like crazy and do quick cuts which some people hate it. I really didn't mind. You know to display the chaos, but some people hated people I mean. People don't like all the quick cuts. The wwe does sometimes, but you know I noticed them. Now because I'm like people are GonNa hate this but it doesn't really bother me but I'm Michelle. So what do I know? They beat up a couple of people in the audience. Spray painted the plexiglas the WWE puts up to protect everybody and they used a chainsaw to cut the ropes. they're also, we don't know much about them. Not Big not big people not one big person in that group. That's how I knew. They weren't as I was Ninjas 'cause the Big Ninja wasn't there big Ninjas Busy Garden Shane McMahon's door. We'll get into that in a minute. But? Yeah. So Not Very and I have a theory about that myself I. Think I know where to go with this. Here's the positives. People are talking about it. And I'm a big proponent of. Step one is, get people talking. I don't think retribution. We're not in a pass fail. Point yet you can't say retribution is a failure yet because we don't know where it's going and people are genuinely interested in where it's going people are going to watch raw hoping to find out that there's more answers about retribution. Some people are genuinely genuinely Kirk curious some people like the angle and other people. Hate it, and like this is nonsense I wanNA, see how they justify it but either way. If people hate him why are they listening number? One answer given I want to hear what he'll say next. People will watch and getting people talking is step one and step. One's been a success people are talking on. I. Think that's good. I think something new. It's something different. I think that's good. There were comparisons made to the N. W. Oh, of course, with the spray paint, there were many comparisons made to the nexus with the destruction. was nowhere near as good as the N. W. O. or the access both of those felt real. This didn't feel real. It felt like a story didn't feel like a like it could be a good story. But it felt like it did not feel like you're watching something where anybody was in actual danger not that like we all know that nobody's in real danger but like the next thing. If. Felt Real. You could suspend disbelief when the next came in and they tore up the ring, they tore up the ring like a bunch of ex wrestlers would. They beat up the ring announcer like X. wrestlers would like it seemed real end of Yo. Coming in it felt like there's an actual invasion happening. This felt like a story on. Which? It doesn't deter me. because. I'm okay with that but it's just it's just to me. It's. It's not. It's not in the same conversation as W or nexus, but keep in mind next had this great opening segment and I mean just completely waffled nexus ended up being terrible. So just because it worked in the opening segment doesn't mean anything. and. So vice versa meaning. Just because I don't think that retribution opening angle was his good as next as his opening angle doesn't mean retribution camp even better. This is what I think we need to do with retribution. Watching it you know they made it clear. That when the female fan quote unquote training getting beaten up in the audience she was getting beaten up by a female member of retribution. It was very, very clear. This was not man on woman violence this woman on woman violence that was done intentionally you know you could tell in the body types, you could tell them the movements. At one point the hood game down you saw all the hair. You're like, okay I know it's it's a woman. And I think that was designed. So that, we felt a little bit more comfortable with it and I think that that's the right thing to do if that's the direction you're going to go in with it. But that. Got Me to thinking I'm like, okay, we know at least one say. We know that. She's a woman. We also know that nobody there is particularly big. They're not. Nobody is a big brooding person didn't look like anybody was over six feet tall to tell you the truth. My first thought was, what if this is an entirely female faction? And then I re watched it and I was like, okay. Well, it couldn't be entirely female because one of the people talking clearly had a male voice. Like the one that was talking directly into camera that sounded like a dude. You could cover it up later they left their masks on, you could change that. But I think. That retribution. NEEDS TO BE. Either an all female or a female lead group? I think even if you've got mainly like four women and two guys in it, and the two guys are just kind of you know not high ranking members of retribution I think that this needs to be a female centric group. There is something so cool. About the idea. Of. The people that. All these men were running away from and the people that the roster was afraid to approach in the ring. Did their powerful women under that mask. I needed that Super Bowl and I think it's a good message I. Think it's a step in the right direction is progress if you will. I also think that you're talking about retribution. That names important the motive is important. WHO WOULD BE LOOKING? For. Retribution. And you're like, wow, I mean it could be a bunch of the guys that just got fired. Right But. Realistically. They're all signed up now. We're, on a W. I think almost everybody else on impact. rousseff is on twitch. You know they're all. They're all spoken for. So it can't be that Drake Mavericks already. Back. I guess it could be Leo. Rush but other than that something like who could it be who who's looking for retribution? and. The answer is the women that weren't represented. In the women's evolution. I mean what if? Carmella. Naomi. Dana. Brooke. What if these women who have become on the roster? Tier two women, which I don't think it's justified in a lot of cases, but just is what it is. Let's be honest. Naomi is nowhere near. The women's Champ title picture. Dana. Brooke. Nowhere near Carmella I am no, she's on TV anymore like these are women were not being focused on the focus of the women's division. Becky Charlotte who aren't on the show. Sash Bailey. Lacy. Riot squad I think you could put natty night heart. In retribution. Maybe even later in retribution I think if you made this and they were also wearing sweatshirts, there weren't baggies sweatshirts so you couldn't tell the body types of any of the people under the masks. I think retribution. Should be a primarily female faction. Looking, for revenge. On wwe on the women's division for ignoring them. I think that that would be the most interesting thing. The wwe could do with retribution. Unexpected. I think it would be of the time I. Think it would be representative of a big portion of the audience. And I think that it would be something. To fill out the women's division. So it's not just title matches all the time. I loved the idea of a it's almost like a women's. New World Order. Where they're coming in but what if the women are also interfering in the men's matches? And going like you shouldn't be the main event we're better than you. You know if you've got. Naomi. Saying. Hey you. Male superstar whoever you are. You don't deserve to be in the main event. I'm a better athlete than you. I'm a better performer than you. I'm the one who should be in this match you're taking my time away. I love that story that's a story I can get behind is sitting there going how does retribution work in my head and to me? That's how retribution works. Making it about the women and the women coming in and just running roughshod over wwe. Works. For me. I'm interested to hear what you think by e mails not sam wrestling. gmail.com. So if you've got thoughts, feel free to send them my way. Moving onto annex. T. t this week closed with a huge angle. The payoff on all the PAT McAfee stuff. Went down on an xt. So it starts with, of course. Adam. Cole and Pat McAfee on Pat McAfee is Radio Show Pat McAfee is taking shots at Adam Cole. and called curses him out shoves his employees. And Cohen Pat McAfee have had years. A little shots being taken by pat towards, atom being small. Etc.. Not being able to do things on his own, etc.. Triple H comes on PAT McAfee show triple h says you guys need to talk this out? Pat. McAfee on. Wednesday afternoon. Says that he's left his honeymoon that he was shooed honeymoon last week. said he left his honeymoon for day to come to Orlando and talk to Adam Cole And he posts pictures without them call the two of them were getting along. Pack if he goes on commentary. and. I heard criticism. That They spent. All the time with magazine commentary just talking about Patent Adam. Cole. And it's like, yeah, of course, they did like I understand their other match like there was the women's match going on and then those tag team match with the undisputed era. But at the end of the day that TV time was being used tell the story of Pat McAfee and coal for everybody that hadn't seen the patent Agassi Adam Cole Radio Segment WanNa one. Of course, that's what they were doing. They're trying to set up a big match for takeover. You have three weeks before takeover. Yeah. You're going to spend a Lotta time on commentary building. This thing especially with Pat McAfee, who've been on kickoff shows with me, but he's not on TV. So That in me at all. Watch the segment go, down. Pat Is. Taking shots at Adam, Cole comes out to ringside with. The undisputed era with Bobby Fish and Kyle O'Reilly. He's real close to Pat McAfee sitting at the desk with old Tommy. Phillips And Pat Maggie is taking shots at Adam Cole, the entire time. Morrow says, that's not cool Pat Pacos. Beth decides it's so disrespectful. She doesn't WanNa be commentary with him anymore which trust me if anybody understands not wanting to broadcast with Pat McAfee, it's me so I don't blame Beth for that but. We do end. Up differing. When it comes to what happened after. So Adam Cole and PAT McAfee arguing. And I'm call throws water and pack of these face. Pat McAfee steps to him. I looked at Patna Kathy's face. And Pat McAfee went from goofy. I'm not on the pre show. I Make Fun of people, Pat McAfee to hey, I was punter of the decade in the NFL kicker of the decade and also I'll fight anyone in a bar pat. McAfee. I've seen that Guy I knew plenty of guys who are blast to hang out with. And then you say the wrong thing to him and they will cave your face in and that's the patent act if I saw. Pat Is being walked off by drake. He goes you know what never mind and he walks back over and he tells Adam Cole he's a short little bitch. Adam Cole tries to get Pat McAfee. Pat McAfee responds by punching him in the head and knocking him out cold. A lot of things have been said on social media. Bet Phoenix said the PAT McAfee was disrespectful wrestling. Adam Cole has said he is going to run out. Pat Mac Adam said. Look. Beth Phoenix. said that Pat McAfee was respectful wrestling. Adam Cole has said he's GonNa Pat McAfee out of wrestling call Pat McAfee and outsider. Instead he disrespected him and now he's going to throw them out of the industry. They're basically trying to paint PAT McAfee like he's one of these reporters trying to expose pro wrestling or one of these guys taking the piss out of pro wrestling the needs to be taught a wrestling needs to be taught a lesson. Here's my problem with that. Adam Cole, said to Pat McAfee. Hey Pat. You run your mouth. Why don't you do something about it? And then Pat McAfee kicked animal's head off his shoulders and left him unconscious. If, you tell a guy, don't disrespect the wrestling business and the net guy knocks you out cold. He's he you've embarrassed herself. To me. Adam. Cole was embarrassed by McAfee on. TV. And I don't think that anybody. Can Tell Pat Mak he. that he doesn't belong in the wrestling business. When he took one of the top guys on an xt. And left him out cold. To me I, feel like maybe I am a whole bunch of other people have underestimated Pat McAfee because not that many people have left Adam Cole unconscious. And Pat. McAfee is one of them. Okay If, I'm being disrespectful to pro wrestling. Somebody. Could come in pretty easily shut me up. Adam Cole tried to shut up. Pat McAfee and Patna. 'cause he kicked his head off his shoulders. At that point Adam Cole no longer has a leg to stand on. When it comes to shutting up Pat McAfee. McAfee won that debate. And triple H can shove pat out of the building all he wants to. But Adam. Cole said Hey Pat Nak of the why don't you backup your words? And Naqvi activists like okay. Why don't they leave you out cold? And he did it. I. Love The story. I. Loved The story going in is a story. They haven't told this story this way before. You know they usually. I mean, it's a typical story, the outsider disrespect wrestling the wrestler teaches them a lesson. But what happens when the wrestler gets knocked on his ASS. Then, who's teaching who lesson? That's why takeover should be good. That's why I think it was so well done because it was different. And it felt. Real. And felt real life when it was happening I thought it was great. So, speaking of of feeling real. Let's talk about Ross. Course on tonight and I think the. Is Keeping People. Tuned into raw is not only you know I think that Retribution is going to help because people are interested in where that's going. But I think that raw underground is the same way. There were a couple of things real quick that I want to talk about from raw last week I thought the drew McIntyre Randy Orton Promo was. To die for thought, it was great. Montas Ford. I don't know if somebody slipped rice in in his coffee. Bianca Belair jumped. Zelina Vega on her twitch stream. Made me change my locks on my door for sure. So I mean it is what it is. I thought it was a weirdly done thing but. I don't know whatever takes to add some spice to the street prophets. A. Indrawati Angel Match I'm mad at it. and. The Pat Buck versus Nyah Jack Segment I was so happy I'm probably very biased because I like Pat Bucks so much. I badly want to see pat buck versus nyah Jackson a match at summer slim you talk to your congressman. Call whoever you need to call to try to make that happen. But I think Nyah Jax versus Pat. Buck absolutely has to happen at summer slim. I think it'd be great. I think Pat Buck deserves the shot I mean I couldn't believe watching raw and seeing pat bugs name over and over again mentioning it on the Chiron. Nyah calling and Pat Buck. The whole thing it's like he's a character. Now he's a character Oh and the other segment that was amazing. WAS SIMILAR JOE standing up to South rollins simone jobs does so good in every role that he plays. But yeah. Yeah I wanNA hear Samoa Joe on the Call as Nyah Jack Take Niger tax takes on Pat Buck at summer slim. That's my goal. That's what I want to see. Let's talk about raw underground raw underground one of the most controversial additions to Monday night raw last week we found out Shane McMahon was going to be back. He unleashes the strange concept called raw. Basically fight, club in WWe. people came in very pessimistically. I will say that about this people were worried who is going to be a? Thing was shoot fighting it isn't you know clearly this is. Part of the show. Which is why I think people were just ready for criticism for it because one of the criticisms that I'd read about it was well, if raw underground is supposed to be real, does that make the rest of the show fake but that distinction wasn't made I think the data criticism was ready if they were going to bring back brawl because that's a fair criticism of broth role but I don't think that's a fair criticism of underground. Ronald is clearly a different style of fighting. That's all there is. So I don't think that Roy underground takes away from the any sort of reality of the main card But. You know I was fairly skeptical of it too when it started because. It and I'm like this is really weird. You know they start out with the new guy. The big giant guy squashes a guy, and then he wins and Shane McMahon goes. That's it. That's it. But here's my thing with raw underground. and. Why? I'm not sure but I think this thing could work maybe I'm just being optimistic. But I think it's underground could work because really I looked at what was the what was the sum of all the parts, the parts in and of themselves. Whatever I thought. The last segment was actually very good. I don't want to hurt business came in I was pretty interested in what was happening. You. Know you had. Bobby Lashley. WHO'S A legit? And in a guy. Shelton, Benjamin. Is legit wrestling guy. You have MVP who studied judo and can legit fight you. So. Although you know I wouldn't mind if MVP was less involved physically and more just involved verbally. But I guess if he can go, he can go so I thought that was very good I thought the way they ended it was very good. I thought it gives. The hurt business a spot on the show where even though they're not holding wwe championship, they're still in very high regard. And that is what to me made me start to add up all the parts. Because none of the segments except for that one, we're super like Oh my God. This is amazing. It was more like what is this? This is really weird. When I really looked at it. I was like, okay. They use the first segment. To, get over a new guy. I'm interested in that new guy I'd like to see that new guy fight more I'd like super big. I believe that he's a tough guy. Battle of the tough guys. Good. Job. Right. Eric. Eric I've are but one of the Viking raiders was the second segment and in that segment. I got reminded Oh yeah. The Viking raiders are bad. ASS dudes. We've watched the Viking raiders be cartoon characters for so long. We haven't been scared of them at all. I was like, oh. Yeah. I forgot the Viking raiders are bad ass dudes and that's what was demonstrated in this segment. Then Dolph ziglar comes on. And you see dolls ziglar wrestling and it gives the opportunity for the commentator for time Phillips to bring up the fact that he wrestled at Kent State one top wrestlers in the country and it's not just like. When you're in a traditional wrestling match wwe wrestling match and you know one of the commentators brings that up about Dolf ziglar you're Kinda like, okay. If you say. So but what I see is a guy would bleach blonde hair and shiny pants I see a character I don't see a guy from Kent State. But all of a sudden. The, when you're doing fight club rules where you're actually using some of that wrestling. You're like, oh, he's a bad, ass. He was a wrestler Kent State, one of the top wrestlers against it he's a bad, ass. And the HERP business come in and immediately you're going I know exactly where this needs to go. I mean. Can you imagine. After. Several weeks of the hurt business just taking out everybody. Brock. leser stepping up to Bobby Lashley in the raw and you wouldn't be interested in that people have been asking for a brock listener Bobby Lashley match forever. This is it. This is the venue for it. I mean, I think it's a no brainer and and. You're going down the list in one night. We've put over a new guy. We've reminded you that the vikings are bad acids that Dolph Sigler is a legit tough guy wrestler and the hurt business ain't nothing to screw with. And that was because of the venues it role in. So I think that ultimately the raw underground cannot simply just be, hey, here's the raw underground, I. Don't think anybody's GonNa. Care about the underground just in and of itself you know I. Don't I, don't think that the draw is hey, everybody tune in the raw underground his on. But I think that the raw underground can be used for specific purposes. For different superstars I think that the underground could be used as a place for bobby, Lashley and brock listener to have a fight I think that the raw underground can be used as a reminder that guys like Shelton, Benjamin and Dolph. Ziglar. Can Wrestle their asses off to remind you that the Vikings are actually bad ass dudes. You know there's a lot of people that you could get in to the raw underground and all of a sudden allowed to look at them differently, and then they can leave the raw underground and still be that bad ass person in the ring, but the raw underground has provided the venue. to where you can organically expose the audience to this other side of this character who might be a little bit stale let's be honest. You know what? Are you getting? Are you going through the roof when Dolph Ziegler comes out? No do you know he's going to have a great match? Yes. But he's been around forever. Do. You know which way is up with the Vikings now. But. There's a reason for them to be bad asses if they just show up in the ring. And start being bad as his again. Why like fighting garbage monsters two weeks ago. Why you all of a sudden a bad ass now. But in the raw underground, you can't fight a garbage monster. So. Boom. There you go. That is my positive take on the raw underground. Everybody. That won their matches in the raw underground I believe. Potentially benefited from that. Who knows if it'll go anywhere but in that they all benefited. From the moments and were given material that that can be used going forward and I think that you can absolutely do that going forward with the raw underground. You know I think that that has to be. A spot where people meet. Maybe going forward like a a a story bills up on TV and they go screw this. Let's do this and the raw around. And you know I I think it could be an interesting and unique setting. I. Think now is the perfect time to do it. Because it certainly beats an empty arena. and. I just think that there's there's room in there there's room to play with. And hopefully, we do I thank you all for playing with me today and being a part of not sam wrestling. Don't forget to get on that Patriot page patriot, dot com slash not sam wrestling. If you WANNA, hear another not sam wrestling show on Thursday if not, I'll see on Monday next Monday that is give I everybody. Thanks. For listening. Follow not sale on twitter instagram facebook and Youtube. Review, subscribe this has been. Wrestling.

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A LIMITED DEBUT! PAYBACK PREVIEW - WWE Raw 8/24/20 & SmackDown 8/21/20 Recap

What's Wrong With Wrestling? WWE Recap Show

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A LIMITED DEBUT! PAYBACK PREVIEW - WWE Raw 8/24/20 & SmackDown 8/21/20 Recap

"One Sales Zahn. Thank Your House. On could Soom you're in? The other episode of what's wrong with wrestling I'm Andrew Pizano along with my brother joke. Eric Slam with Hamilton we saw Roman reigns come in as a heel at summer slam and then on raw they acted like he wasn't a hill. So I'm a little nervous Eric. What do you think tim super nervous. They didn't go double down on. Mike. Can you believe people with chairs right what a jerk whether they're calling him the big dog? Yeah they'll get nervous. Don't screw me if they're just like German range and we don't know and then he does the fool announcement like you sons of bitches on the Thunderdome then okay. Fine. If he's not, he'll. But he's just more like stone cold and he doesn't. And he doesn't Cock is fist anymore pander just genuinely a bad ass then that would be fine to write. Preferably, we want the he'll just lose the vest to. And what does he wear though like just wrestlemanias or no he could wear the pants or he could wear a T. shirt like they. All fucking. When he was jacked, we've seen recent photos. He's more Jack Than Ever Jazz in the gym every day since Cova he's more Jack than ever. Now he could wrestling out of fucking shirt the most Jack Guy in the company. Yeah. Even his teeth reject. They were jacked up and then he fixed them. Yeah. Now they're just jacked look stronger than ever one hundred percent but you gotTa have Michael Goal you know not you're the big dog and come his pants right for sure. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like that's get a stop right and that's like know male porn stars like not lose their shit when they come right and they're actually fucking a woman right times it just dribbles out. It's like how many scenes you film today, right? What are we talking about anyways? Wrestling toothpaste and Lena. Vega there she is right there touch chicks man anyway my right come down Davis. All. We had a sausage party over the. Football and beard. For. Offered to drive in pay for at the Strip club? nope. No takers. Takers. These two I never said I never said no I never said now I hate you both. So, also we to a birthday show really birthday show. Interesting. That's interesting because our birthday show last week. What's birthday presents? Did I get on the show you got this yeah. That was that was not on the birthday show was not on the show Eric. We're not making a big deal about Berkeley shows anymore just when your gifts come in after a couple of weeks of delay, then you give them to them randomly. Just didn't wanted to sell my house. I just didn't want to design the set again. You know we can take a year off. Birthday Europe birthdays we'll do it next year but starting anyone. Yet. Twenty Twenty One, twenty, twenty, one. Of August August twenty twenty one starts because Joe's hat johannes birthday show. So you're GONNA get the next birthday show to yes. For starting next. August twenty, twenty, one, it was like birthday show birthday show Jimmy. After, August, we're like, let's take a year off. We need eleven months to plan. It's going to be quite as set design. All it's GONNA be Elvis. Guys the seriously. When you read you mid forties. You don't WanNA celebrate birthdays anymore like Donald Judd another birthday this year I guess still young mid thirties to actually you don't want to celebrate birthdays anymore. So. Yeah. We have a lot to do. We have. We have another pay per view to talk about coming up why not W. Now? There's you know I think this is a weekly thing that's going to happen. We're GONNA read reviews every week. So yeah, you're really gonNA. WanNa. Get on our patriotic patriots dot com slash. What's wrong with wrestling we have eight new people who signed up. Yes. 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We have one of our biggest fans Reno, Perez who I think he has every t shirt now because he bought a Pete Sir Nice and then we also have trench. Chapelle who bought a pizza t-shirt TAE collect them all. Yeah. Yeah. Hot and they're going. They're not expensive. We're not like aws or Debbie where we charged thirty five dollars a shirt thirty to. Nineteen Ninety nine twenty bucks before Tau also, Roman reigns is back. So perfect time to pick up a kick out of the and repeat perfect timing timing. So, yeah. Go to perennially and tease dot com slash what's wrong with wrestling to pick up one of those yes. Sir Boom. All right. So we'll start with the smackdown before Summer Slam quick recap because we've already done summers lamb but yeah, most. Talk about stuff that doesn't really have much to do with summer slam but this is the first show in the Thunderdome. Correct. So we've got the fans on the led screens and. I actually signed we all signed up to do with be the fans, but you guys couldn't get in now not. I actually got in. I got I was in for the two of five live taping. That was an hour before smackdown. Feed was so choppy. It's unwatchable and then once smackdown started like I got kicked out as the fiends music was hitting go to defend do this. But again, it was still chopping watchable. I got back in later and you just you can't watch the show raise your hand. If you thought your view was going to be like from your seat and where you were. No one. Jimmy. That cool like a camera would be where your is and that would be your view like you would see just how that would you know? When they pander to you, it would make sense because drew was like. The cheer. But all they saw was his back. Is there watching the feed right? And it's funny during the feed they're talking to you they're telling you when to clap and cheer. Like Someone posted a video for raw and drew McIntyre came out. He's like all right guys you're having fun. Remember you're having fun. And then. What right? Yes. Sure you. About. Brian quickly came on and reminded reminded that guy. Think Fun and there was nothing fun this week on A. So when I was on for smackdown, the Guy said a make sure you watch smackdown on your on your screen not on the TV, because there's a delay on the TV, you have to watch it on this on the fee that they sent you even though it's chopping unwatchable and then he reminded all you. Nielsen everyone with a Nielsen box home. Make sure you watch smackdown again afterwards right No. No. No thank you. Wait you. Want me to watch this shit. Yes please matches that have happened. So. smackdown. Thunderdome starts with Vince McMahon he welcomes everyone to the Thunderdome and he of course, he hype Summer Slam says John. And obviously, we know what that's about. Him. He's coming though. That I loved the mole never never see the big offset ballot. I'll give you a hand I. Love You. You'll never see me come harder. See me coming. You'll never hear Michael Cole in the big dog come more if. So the power starts to go out the. Music Hits makes a slow entrance to the ring gets face to face with Vince, but then Braun strowman music kids. So brand gets in the ring and stares down the. But then fifteen members of retribution come out and surround the ring on the apron the fiend waves good-bye. Let's go out. He disappears I love how you said it to me. Yes. Like Vince comes in the fiend interrupt rights run and run for the fiend. Then retribution rubs Braun and then Debbie wrestled interrupt you. Wait one, two, three, four, five in their ups. I tweeted like I've never seen Moore stuff have felt like everything and yet nothing happened at the nothing happened nothing came of it. Now Vince comes and the free like Vince was there for two seconds. So finally, the smackdown locker room comes out to to fight off retribution and retribution retreats. Then the MS runs out to the ring after it's all over acting as if he did something and of course, that's one of the rumors is because of that people think the MS might be the leader to obvious. So it's not him right? I get it. But then about this is wwe, we're talking about there's so much really obviously. So it's for sure. Happens to his awesome tag team with John Morrison then the fuck. Needs to. Be. Split up it's horrible yeah. Hey. No don't know do it because then you're just doing it now you're them. No. Never, I do I do not have. Yes. Yeah. That's that's seen as hell. Do. That, it'd be the biggest pop ever. So. Yeah. The wrestlers check on. But then he attacks drew google lack and J.. Lo and then leaves which by the way drew lacks now doing commentary for two or Five Live era I didn't know that until I was in the crowd. And you see. A Mike on the hard camera I'm like all the way on the rights but. It's all blurry anyway you have to find someone who wants to watch do right but it's all blurry anyway they cut to the camera they cut to the crowd reactions for this shit and it's all blurry the guy picking his nose it's like, Hey, you could see me but. And it looks horrible. Yeah Right. So why can't they cut to the actual feeds? They have those feeds I. Don't understand why they can't just cut to the actual fee but whatever. So we have biggie and Shaimaa with most of the Locker Room Ringside? The lights flicker during the match we go to Commercial Corbin attacks riddle from behind. So everyone gets involved they all brawl and then shameless gets distracted and Biggie wins with a roll up. So that's one you have to protect shameless now wasn't he had like six months ago. He wasn't there six months ago. So then in the trainer's Room Jeff, you know he should be jobber. So in the trainer's Room Jeff Hardy's lying on the table selling knee injury and he tells the trainer someone felony from behind. But I didn't see WHO and at this point I didn't even understand what he was talking about I was just walking backstage someone fell on you and you didn't see you. It was a and I didn't I didn't notice he was out there for retribution I can't keep track of everyone that's fucking. There were like fifty guys out there. So. We'll get back to that. But first up, we have says, arwen knock knock moreover says Lucia House party for the smackdown tag titles says are Nakimora, attack Lucia House party backstage before the match and then when they walk away like I think Dorato wakes up, he's like Bosso like capacitor like he was it was so weird. So we get a split screen Promo for MS in Morrison during the match and you know. Like we said that's that's awful and then he's Sorry and Says Are Rose Up Dorado for the win two matches to roll-ups to for to. Come up they've been. You know we've heard like WBZ's really gonNA. This is the first show in the Thunderdome they got to do something special here. Yeah. To roll up so far. I raise the genesis of the moment. Thunderdome. Yeah and then after the match police stone Toronto Yell and Shove. Each Other. So it's like Oh. Wow, they're you know they're gonNA. SAY IT AIn't. So say it eight that it happened yet. Please somebody wakes up from three months of these guys are still right. Thing right. So next we've got Jeff Hardy update and we see replay footage, of AJ, styles kicking Jeff's leg during the retribution attack. rebe rule assassin. Backstage as like well, I guess Jeff can't compete for the title tonight. And then he spots Bailey and Sasha in the like you say, Hey, to each other and and click. Bed People. Such. Belts. Hill right also backstage Kayla talks to Mandy she asked how are you doing Mandy addresses Sonian says, let's put. Let's put all this behind us. I choose the good in you and we'll get back to that next up corey graves interviews Bailey Sasha in the ring, and his first question is are the two of US splitting up and they both get upset and yell no, and like this makes no sense because at this moment, they're both double champs credit while they've been subtly hinting at through the TV Audience Still Double Champs and best friends. So like right it doesn't really make sense to say this. No, they haven't really been fighting so they just hide. Summer Slam Oscars. Aren't going to beat us then they only comes out she wants to face both of them. Korea suggests they do a beat the clock challenge to see who will face Oscar I. It's Summer Slam, and then they only just drop kicks them out of the ring and we go to break and I. We have Sasha Banks Versus Naomi and Sasha makes the only tap to the bank statement in three minutes. Thirty nine seconds very quick very quick. Yes and then Bailey immediately gets in the ring and knees Naomi in the head, and then we have Bailey versus Naomi and you'll make Beats Bailey with the big butt blast in under two minutes and new. smackdown women's champion two minutes. Wow. Humidity loses every week. Right? She's now that champion where she loses fair every week and that title. Yes. So dumb. Sasha Beats Naomi clean. then. Like Naomi gets beat up by Bailey before the match and then she beats under two minutes and then after the match Aska comes out. And then session goes after her but Oscar kick Sir Oscar Tax Bailey. But she retreats and Bailey. Only grabs her belts not Sasha's and they make a big deal about that. Yeah. So whatever. Backstage Dana Brooke tells Sony Ville. I'm sorry for everything you went through this week, which is. You know they're taking life into. And then Sony, replies it's nothing I can't handle, and then she slaps the fuck at a Dana in the faith good for her and yells so disrespectful. Kind was it was And then Sony Deville cuts a promo on the stage. And it's the Best Promo. She's ever done in wwe. It's a real shame she's leaving now right after they finally let her get some Promo time. Yeah, and she addresses Mandy saying you're facing summer slam you're not getting out of this. So let's up the ante a bit instead of hair versus fareless hair versus hair. Let's make it a no disqualification loser leaves WWe match. Let's make a scare versus scare Matt because I'm scared to be W superstar now. Yeah, we'll talk about more that later, but it was definitely a good promo. Next we Nikki Cross backstage Promo and Nikki says Alexis been different lately and she's scared and worried about her friend and she says I have a feeling that something terrible is about to happen and that's another thing we have to talk about 'cause Alexa wasn't at some are slim. Yeah when. It to happen I. Think the reason why it didn't happen is because. Roman reigns. Yeah. Right. Yeah. So an Alexa was even like a on instagram like during summer slam and kind of just like Like could like analogous among the show. She could have distracted Braun and then fiend wins I guess they didn't want to do too big angles right? They could do it at pay them. There's always pay back. They probably will now. So we'll see next we have AJ styles versus Jeff Hardy for the title and we watch Daniel Bryan iphone Promo from home hoping that Party wins and he's Super Corny. So I guess he went home for Cova Right. But he was there he was in the beginning. He was there he's been around since and he's been. Very now that. That breath. Okay that that's true. Sorry. I forgot about that. Okay. Fairness is fine. We put out too. But like but but okay fine. But just don't. Just so Timing in with an iphone guys. Party wins we. Deferred, off linked to stock. It's stupid. I was accurate. He's playing a fan at home. Like with his gimmick a hey y'all begin here listen like I miss healed in Brian again, which is crazy because it wasn't good. So anyways AJ's overconfident because of Jeff's knee and he attacks it some more jeff makes a comeback but falls when he tries to get on the top rope. Aj Puts Jeff in the in the CAF crusher, but jeff makes it. The Rover in goes for the styles clash. But JEFF HITS AJ in the head with the knee brace, and then he hits the twist of fate and this time he can climb to the top rope. And Hits The swan time bomb any wins the intercontinental championship and new. You got one. and. Then after the match, Kayla Braxton interviews Jeff in the ring, but he'd better hurry up. A challenge. Dan here before you tonight with a painful knee or partly I stand here with hope. Hope that things will get better for everybody struggling struggle. He got off like the academy. Played them off. Against he literally gave him thirty seconds. You have thirty seconds go. Honestly. Though I, why does he need a an acceptance speech just when the title but if you get a Jew it Hurt him right? Well, they know how long the firefly funhouse segment was because. The course better go ship at a time. Go go go out. Yeah. So so we have the firefly house. We watch the classic film Braun and Alexa and bronze played by husks, the pig and Alexis played by rebelling rabbit. So it's good to see the puppets bath. Yeah. It's been a while and it was funny and Huskisson rabbit were about to make out but bray yells cut because that's not what went down last week and he says love can only lead to pain and suffering that's why we should all be more like. And he cannot wait to get his hands on you Bron and then brace starts to sense him. He's like sniffs around and he's like he smiles and he says, what took you so long and then brought a tax brain that was kind of actually really good. Because he's. What took you. Need and he's there. Took you so long Ooh chills. So Brown beats him up and then bray falls off camera and bronze starts throwing punches off camera, but there's no sound of contact being heard, right? And you can seize like punching nothing. It just looked bad. And then he he grabs brain says I'm not finished with you and after the commercial break we brought him brave brawling by the parking lot. Scientists the firefly funhouse just in the arena now. Yeah. Well, it is this time. Yeah. So bron choke slim's Bray off a five foot ledge onto the concrete. Thankfully there's an ambulance right there. I didn't care them every episode raw. Waiting we're smack them and medics load break into the ambulance. The ambulance starts to drive away but then stops and backs up to where it was and the Tall Bald Guy Adam peers is yelling at the top of his lungs like this is his moment. He's like, what are you doing? We must say Bray Wyatt Yeah who's just done horrible we must save him. Our main event. He's ten feet away from where the driver Dory's. Going over to the say, Hey, what's going on right? Yeah I mean you'd think that's his brother like close relative, right. So then the lights in the ambulance turn red, the doors open and I we see the shot of like a like a close up of Adam like what are we doing already making him a star? Yes. The general manager when they first introduced John Laryngitis no idea. The fuck. Did you guys know? No I know I do the fucking was I didn't know that He. What animals brother whichever one it is. I know that he was a former S I had no idea I knew that any that okay. No, just saying I, know I do John. Like. Sat Pierce guy like they barely even say his name right and then they like cut to a close of vim go. Right, and like a bunch of people watching and he never there on the show for like twenty years. Right and they've never announced him as a general manager. Now, we just assume it is because he's always. People what to do, right? Yeah. Not to mention they've been saying for a while that there's no more authority or right people in charge but then. But then Steffi's on facetime and then Adam peers has made a message and the Sammy's nine lookalike pat buck who the fuck is that. Weird just weird. Maybe he's the assistant to the general manager. There's no. It's like, okay you WanNa, make him a character per do it just. Don't go half Z's like just fucking do it. My whole childhood had president Jack Tunney Yeah it wasn't a big character on the show he would be there to be like. A rolling. Restart the back six months and you don't have. To, make him an evil authority figure either evils. No just. Their Neutral you can't watch a TV show and they'd be like well, then this guy did that who I don't know. Some guidance up. Yeah I don't know. Clear from that walking dead has they have like one hundred characters now right and it's like who the fuck is that guy who that? Unclear. So anyways, they finally cut back to the ambulance, and of course, the fiend is there he's standing on the back of the ambulance. Yeah. What happens next? Like the show ended. Yeah. But you know it was like what happens If he goes back in the ambulance goes on. Bring me. Shoot a mask. Or? Maybe. All right. So obviously, we know what happens then fast forward summer slam wins the title of Roman shows. Okay. This is where he pulled this Summer Slam recapping your summers lead recap Patriot Dot dotcoms. Trying to play the candidate. You know order yeah. All right. So first match of what was the Apollo? No, I'm just kidding. All right after summer slam starts with drew McIntyre and During his promo you could see we have the fans and the Thunderdome and people are putting up One guy was dressed like a k. k. clansman right Another one had the last photo of Chris Benoit ever taken on the screens. And then I heard. Someone played an isis beheading video. What will the some of the other ones? Sonya's attacker, but that was summer slam. was during that match. So People right like. You, know put baby yoed on their who cares like? would. Like USA funny. But come on Isis beheading videos, right? That should be that. Guy. Yeah Chris was last photo after he murdered his family and also like so news attacker. That's yeah. That's fucked up shit come on. Let's to real like do funny stuff not like sick stuff ran don't be a sick fuck like I was I was planning on getting kicked off the smackdown feed by like just eating on camera like just like our. Seeing what happens you know something funny. So anyways drew says I beat Orton at Somerset because of hungrier than them and train harder than him and he calls himself the best wrestler in the world will last night I beat him with a wrestling maneuver. So what does that make me Randy and then He says if you WANNA fight me again that's fine because I'll do the one thing. I didn't do it summer slam I'll kick your dolphin send your ass claim or country. So. He's full of himself. He's he one of the role upper backslide pin and he's full of himself. and. I mean I heard people talking about like Oh. This is he beat him with a wrestling move. This is great like bully ray on his show was talking about how great this is. And it's like he's like, no, you don't get it. He beat him with a wrestling move into wrestling show and it's like I. I don't Y-. Wrestling move did he do the backslide pin I? mean it was a good. We didn't. We didn't. We like the match. Yeah. I just wish she could claim more like you know which is also a wrestling I mean yeah. Like what are you saying that a back slides better than an archaic or a claymore right and like all that is like we like fans understand wrestling more than wrestlers stink. We know why this happened wwe. Does this all the time they do roll ups as an excuse to have rematches and to extend foods. That's why there's roll ups every week on smackdown and raw, and then we get a rematch because was just roll up I roll Eric up one week the next week Eric Rolls me up, and then we do that back and forth until we have a pay per view match, we're one of US rules the other one up. That pay per view match until just now. At that point, we announce a best of seven series. Sadness and the next seven paper, and then we tie and they'll be become a tag team are the next five fucking years we tag. Rolling people up. Together, to gather together. So. A and then what's his face? Riders. Friend. Who they liquor talking talking just like I have. Rights so a together but what if we lose, right? Yeah. Break up now. Hoping. You'd say the Captain America thing they won't do that together to demolish. I can't read your mind Eric. Now. And then we don't, and then you get mad at me and you're like and then I turned heel. Yeah. And then you get, you get lost in space but then kept marvel save you. Beat that all right. So McIntyre poses on the stage but ordinary attacks him from behind they fight in guerrilla position. Orton. Puts his thumb injury. Throws minute of the wall, and then punch drew in the head and officials come to check on drew. But ORTON gives them another punt to the head. And Even though they cut. Like they did camera cuts during this but it didn't look good now like you could tell he missed him by like a mile and like you can tell how did it wasn't? It wasn't done well, right also, I don't like the fact that like were, and so they're they're they're tending to drew six guys right pretending drew all crowded around him. Or takes three steps backwards. They should just been like, what are you doing away? Six of US and they'll go get out of the way everyone. He's GonNa Punch him again. No Randy nut just hover around him. He can't put all of you that six men there can't pun all of us right He says. He. Does. Not like it's brock or Braun where it's like go out of the way, he'll murder us. It's Randy Orton. Stay withdrew give and again. So he punched him twice and then he whispers something drew and then leaves and we don't know what he says maybe that'll come back. We'll see. then. After the break McIntyre stands on his own feet, refuses medical attention. So we'll come back. Over here. Hey, you're cooking my wife tonight, right? Okay. I'll see Lyn. I heard he said that that what he said Okay Backstage Sarah. Finai Jacks and ask what are you doing here you're suspended for putting your hands on a wwe official and the night says, well, I've been reinstated and. You want to know a little secret. So all I had to do was go to wwe official Pat Buck and. Above. What did you think I? Was GonNA say get your mind out of the gutter yelling. Blowjob from you. They're starting to do stuff like that like she almost said I mean the kind of insinuated on a blowjob. J. So, then Shayna baiser walks up talking trash. So Nyah says, Oh if you need help with baileigh tonight, just give me a call and then chain says I'll call you I'll call you haystacks, Calhoun oh sorry. My bad at least he was good looking. Joe Tell us about this guy. I don't even remember I eric. Was He an old south guy. He was a hillbilly looked like ice I looked him up. Yeah, he looked. One of the he looked like a potato sack like with a head and arms and legs was the old south. Is that what how you know I think serves because he was one of those Texas he looked like the one of the Godwin's yeah. You weren't getting overalls for many come back and wrestle with them. For a little. No. That was Hillbilly Jim. Well. To I was talking about haystacks. Wyoming Hillbilly generals with the Godwin's for a little bit true true. True. I only know that because I recently saw the. He's literally Hillbilly Jim before he's huge. Yeah. He's like the size of Andre the giant. He's huge. Look that big. So she calls she calls her haystacks Calhoun. Oh sorry. least he was good looking. which is I mean everyone knows the bazars lesbians this kind of weird. But then is like I'm good looking. No Your faces? She's in. she's a he'll connor reeves thinks he's the finest, but it's like one of those. Stupid. And addams family reject which I. That's fair. That's. Fair I saw that and then and then changes says welcome back Niane walks away. So we'll get back to that next that we have Bailey versus Shane Obeys Ler Shayna comes out I like I'm sorry getting ahead of Myself Sasha comes out I like she always does and she's about to do her pose. But Bailey's music hits before she could do her pose. I like the subtle hints you know. So, then they start the match Nyah, comes out to watch from the ramp and then a few minutes later, she just attacked Shane for the DU. What why not just do it immediately right away start time with this shit. Yeah and then bailing sausage here on ninety s she beats up Shayna but then nine and Shane a stop fighting look at Bailey and Sasha and bailing Sasha run away. Then later, Charlie cruiser interviews bailing Sasha backstage, and they say they'll deal with Shane Nyah after Sasha wins back the women's championship. Tonight's. So. Yeah. Also, backstage, Kevin Owens knocks analysis blacks door then opens only. Someone knocked on the door. Nephew people not maybe. So Owens s L. Steffi's the keio show because it's next and we don't get an answer so and just says, okay, see up there and he walks away and then we see allister's hand reach out and shut the door closed hard hard I'm not ready. So we had the Kevin own show, Alex black comes out with his right eye covered. He walks by the steel steps, but then decides to slide in the ring instead. So? He's afraid of steel steps forever now. Yes sure Owens then mentions. The Murphy Doom and Alastair says just play the show the footage it's fine and no one does not want these just play the footage. So we watch the footage and he goes Mungai's. Gentlemen the truck, right? Yeah. Damn. Face. They will. Yeah. He can't let him. They can't let them make that reference. So Owens tells them. You know I didn't WanNA show that. But then alison goes down on one knee and holds Zion pain. So Ko ask for some help but then Alastair elbows owens in the head and gives them the black mass. Yup turn alert. He's mad. So he's a bad guy. So Seth rollins fiends when you fight Seth Rollins at change. Concerts or when he when he fucks your eye up and change if you can't beat them, join them they said I'm coming yeah. And you know you might WanNa you might as well make allaster he'll but it's kind of weird that he doesn't want. Right now. He wants to take his frustrations on other people. Yeah. So Kevin O., still not a he'll. And? He's GonNa job. Dallas or black I'm sure. All right. Moving on. We have shut Benjamin versus anniversary secured as our versus. R. Truth Fatal Four Way for the twenty four, seven championship. Truth does his entrance and they they played the crowd they play the crowd yelling what's up as if that's actually happening without any sort of delay. Right. It's not happening now it didn't happen. No. anyway says our rolls up truth to the on anyone's away. Great. All right next up, we have a randy Orton ring, Promo and he tells us why he attacked drew earlier. Off earlier. The. Opportunity presents itself and I took that opportunity an IQ Jesus call not once but twice and I enjoyed it all so much. You know why I did it not once, but twice you WanNa know why kicked you in this Phil twice drill I'll tell you why it's because you stood in freaking. Rain. You offered a rematch. Of Thank you are. Let me. Remind you exactly who the hell. And Ran New York. I am. Legend. MM-HMM? Oh my God it's Keithly Oh man you hear that. Oh. Bask in my glory four. He is limitless and then here comes here comes than in. They're they're they're they're they're they're the. And you're like what? The fuck this is going on right? Why did his music change so horribly? It's generic. It's generic rock song. He had I. It's like, Chris Benoit's Song a little bit. Cool rap. Song. Yeah, original with lyrics right. And now he just has a generic rocks him. Like I think they found in the video game? Yeah. rock four rock song for yeah. Like what's ninety four please explain that to me I saw right in San repressing sheet. Said something originally, and then said it was he was joking but he said that Malcolm been zone the song and told Vince that he wanted a million dollars or the rights to use a Thunderdome as a nightclub and that made no sense to me because you could use it on xt that means they own the rights to it. Made no sense but it's just like what? And you like. Is it because Vincent? One to glory guys but they still send it. It still says, Bask in my glory keithly still comes out and says, bask in my glory who's the other glory guy. Bobby route who? Bought Bright True. True. But I don't I don't understand this at all now like did the fucking song contracts run out last week like what happened, right? Yeah it was. It was a bad dad we need. And so he gets in the ring. And he challenges in to a match right here right now Gordon says maybe later. The show wasn't good the the one thing I'll give it as they. They did a lot of things. And then they would come back through later like almost every segment release there was that but like the execution everything was still bad. But at least there was some sort of storytelling that went on even if it was bad. So backstage, Selena Vega is talking to Angel Garza and Debbie from the bachelor's there again. What is the fourth or fifth time I? Love Her third or fourth? So. Charlie Russo walks up and asks Vega if she's ready to admit that she poisoned Montas Ford Vase it Vegas denies it again but Garza says so she was caught who hasn't been caught before and Vega yells at Garza like what? What? No I didn't do it I didn't do it is who hasn't poison someone before we've all. The people yeah. So Vegas has been matched to concentrate on she walks off then guards s demi what are you doing tonight? Demi says, but I've been talking to Ivar and guards Zara. Well, my matches up naps and you're welcome to come. But then he looks at Caruso and says, you are also welcome. To. Yes, and then later and I'm talking about would be welcome to God and when I mean come I mean. Come. Like. From your pussy. Like when you spell come see Um instead of Co.. I'm still not getting it about main further I wanted to make you squirt. And now now crusoes disgusted because she doesn't want to have a three way with Demi from the bachelor discuss it because he turned her down. Yeah. This guy he's come back. So we have angel guards versus Montas Ford with Angelo Dawkins untried a end demi from the bachelor ringside I've are comes out during the match gives me a giant Turkey leg and they leave together while Garza yells at them Again. He was ringside. He was there. He was okay. But he didn't do anything gave he gave her what she wanted a large piece of meat. So, would you take that sloppy seconds by the way? I our. After she banged I've are like how long we talk. Link that's the answer is like that's the that's what matters. She did it yesterday or showered sure. Sure I. Mean I'm sorry most girls we have sex with have had six people. Who usually don't know he's on TV. Who some bum in the street okay. I got a question ESKIMO brothers with far. Enough some weird, right hey let's cross chicken legs right. So. Sixty seconds later Ford gets the win with a show off frog splash where he turned one hundred and eighty degrees in mid air, which was really cool. Let me jump to hit the top of the Thunderdome. Turned and then landed that's the thing is. So good. If they would just stop like the Corny Baby Gimmick. It'd be so much better. I've looked forward I mean it is I still think it's GonNa break them up when they do you know. Obviously he's the one getting the push, right? Sure. Come on am. Angel dachshunds will just remain the same. It'll be a street prophet. fadeaway. So. Backstage. Nyah Jacksonville Shayna. baiser. Could actually win those tag team titles. So. Shayna says how can I help you out with that and you get off my back got it and the night says as long as you follow my lead got it and she pushes Shayna but then Shayna slaps and walks away. and. Like data before the segment, they didn't tell us. Did they tell us that this match was happening now I don't remember seeing that. was supposed to be Oscar Shayna well, that's what I thought because they beat them the week before. They. Get title shots just because they looked at them you. Haven't Lucia a party. Donald Shot. Now they beat them. They them. They beat like a single singles matches thing but. At least something, they didn't just look at them. So. Yeah. We're getting that payback. What's the payback for that? I? Don't know but. We have SELENA. Vega and the iconic versus Bianca Bel Air in the riot squad in why is this happening match in a three minute? Why is this happening match? Yeah and no more live Morgan and show because she just comes out to ruby riots music. Once again second, she's just a member of the riot squad. Now she's done Yep. They repacked Sir took like six months off to repackage or whatever it was. kind of like a year it felt like a year. But you know and then she's lawns, lesbian lover. And that you know she gets a few wins and that's it nationally just with Ruby again. Game. So Belair Hits Vega with the K. O. D. for the win, and again, they're calling the riots weather only two of them right now. Yeah. Thank you. Well we can. Agree on that two people doesn't make puck and stable. Oh, three is not a stable. It's not a squad threes. Threes is the undisputed era, the new day squad new day squad. Stayed at three for like a year squad. Best Squad we've. Great Squad. Even. Even better stable come on. They went to the next level when when strong did join them right here like now we got a group. Slash stable. Everyone knows the name of one and then a stable. Four horsemen for a stable for. So. Backstage. said a Gal exander beats ricocheting arm wrestling and then Mark Henry walks up and tells them he has to take the table. But I? Yes. If they WANNA arm wrestle him, and of course, they decline and then mark walks away when to crew guys take the table then MVP walks up and ask centric why he's still wasting his time with ricochet and ricochet starts to tell MVP leave but MVP quote. Sam. Jackson and pulp fiction says I don't remember asking you a damn thing. Except pulp fiction it was goddamn but you know you can't say that. In wrestling. Unless you're aws. Again tries to recruit cedric, but he gets turned down again I mean it's going to happen. It has to happen. You can't do this a million times, right? Not Do it at least richocheting and you at least ricocheted with a singles competitor watch again, ricochet that joined and job to get. It'd be better. Would you rather have? Asking Ricksen Yeah exactly. Way Better. He'll ricochet yeah. Heavy way better and it should he? Of Cedric Alexander. Brighter probably just nailed it if they have any fucking sort of creativity. For this, it would be restrained. He's more talented. He's the bigger name. You know what I mean like you need the push rock joined the nation you're like, oh, now things are going to hear. You. We love watching ricochet wrestle singles, matches, and fucking win and. It was the last time we've seen ricochet hit the fucking. What is it called? Eight, Fifty, eight, eight, seventy, five, eight, thirty, one, thousand whatever it is. It's one of the best finishers and he hasn't headed in like months. We haven't seen that Shit and how many times have we seen? He'll ricochet. Never gold by. Eric. Everybody I've a bad guy. Eric probably nailed it. It's a good idea idea art. Good this date no, it's Ju-. Good I. Hate You Eric I will never see. Goes Business, and Beats Ricochet Ivan over and over. Again again, again, right and then ricochet everybody's like, oh Two former best friends former about former best friend former like you know, one of those things when you all the different media outlets that said the same thing because the government's GonNa. From his Former best friends. Yeah. For More Joe, while the front page sports illustrated, ricocheting Sedgwick, Alexander former best friend prevents Fred turned bitter enemies. On sports illustrated. We what sports illustrated. All right. Sure for the Netflix Docu. Wait is that fake sports illustrated imagine like Joey probably has no idea what sports illustrated sports entertainment illustrated's. That's that's a fee call from now on sports entertainment illustrated. Get it. One of the. shore. I loved it and walks into Sports, illustrated ladies and gentlemen you're all fired. Up into sports time. Magazine? No No, no. No we gotTA. WWe. Attack while Judah new deluise, moisture, those strata entertainment. Yeah. All right. So we have Apollo crews versus Bobby Lashley in an arm wrestling match. Hosted by Mark Area because they are fighting it pay back just skipping. So at least that's the thing. I crews lastly say they're going to beat each other payback and then lastly eventually puts his arm on the table waiting for crews and. He also puts his foot under the table which they later explained his cheating but not at night at that time that's like the one time we need explanation right? 'cause like I don't know how arm official arm wrestling matches work. I also don't care about how I want to go. So so yes, he puts he puts his arm down he puts his foot under the table. So crew steps on Lashley split on purpose and then quipped quickly just grabs handed slams it down because she's in pain from the foot-stomping right and Mark Henry didn't see any of that. So he just goes o Paulo crews for the win, and then he immediately leaves he just gets out of the ring. We never see Mark Henry again, what was the point of having more Henry Natta here? Yeah, right. Yeah. What was the point of adding Mark Henry was going to do absolutely nothing just it's mark emory's there. But Mark Henry hurt business. So then at this at this point I took the manager at this point. I think crews cheated I was like wait he stumped on his foot and then they explain that Sorta Lashley cheated first and then approves cheated yeah. So, lastly, freaks out goes for swing, but crews knocks him out of the ring MVP and Shelton run out but then cruised dives onto them once again leaves unscathed so. At least last night's fighting for a title instead, of MVP. Celeste. Went that way but. All right. Next up we have Charlie Cousteau interviewing the mysterious family backstage. We got ray dominic and the mom again, Mama ministerial race says he's proud of his son Dominic Forgiving Seth Hal at Summer Slam and he finally became a man even though he's like twenty three. CRUSOE asked Dominic. If he was nervous and he says, I was absolutely terrified. Right like a little fucking bitch like a little bitch. Bitch. Happy face. This is my scary beach. Is He supposed to be sixteen years old on the show He supposed to be sixteen. Look I guess I guess. So he says he left sixteen I knew no matter what I had my family my corner, and that's what gave me the courage to go out there and do what I had to do. And then Ray says one day one day seth will have a family of his own like seven months less than that. And and he will understand what he put me and my wife through and then ray forgets his lines for a second and then he says he's he first. So the next part is he's supposed to turn dominic. Loves them, but he's looking at Charlie Caruso and he like Dominic. I love you. And he's he's so excited to finally dominic. Love you hi. Charlie. MIAMI. The bitch wave look nick is looking is she looking? So yeah. So excited to finally. He's he's excited finally team with dominic tonight. Next time, we have an Italian. And Lana in Ring Promo no no no no. No. Maybe the one next door to sure. Did throw up. They see they're here to induct Mickie James into the hall of fame because She's retiring Natalia says, meet a video highlighting the best moments of Mickey's career. Let's take a look and of course, nothing comes up on the titans strongly laugh about it. You know what the real joke is is that's the Talian highlight reel, right? One fucking thing. The Talian did in her career nothing I can tell you five things Mickey James, did she won the title at Wrestlemainia. Go. Okay. Yes. She thought trysts she did the lesbian feud with Trish. She came back and fought Oscar and takeover. She came back and did the whole thing with Alexa Bliss where they are best friends. And she's a moment and she's hot. Begin that. Yeah. I really didn't had a child that is still attractive. That's that's amazing. He has moments. She's actually a good talker on the Mike. Natalia is not that the tally is not even exciting you know like Mickey. James. Had A great match with Hoskin and. Natalia's never had anything close. So yeah, I get their heels and they're doing that but the real irony is that Italia's no highlights in ironing. Yeah. So Mickey runs out shoves the Talia down and gives Lana another mic. And the I mean elite two minutes long. So at least it wasn't like this ten minute segment literally two minutes yeah, and so there you go. Backstage Shane tells the big guy door that it's time for raw underground. Oh but then the hurt business walks up and lastly tells Shane I wanNA fight tonight and Shane says, well, you came to the right place. So I thought they just in wrestling. And I thought they took over route or ground the first night. Why are they asking permission did and they were like, what are we doing this even? Yeah or too big. So underground pretty much looks the same but with better lighting. In a different place now, and lastly quickly put some Gibert Asleep and then delve ziglar gets in the ring and he was. He was supposed to fight eibar and now he's facing Lashley and they fight for a minute. But then lastly pushes out of the ring and he falls onto a few guys and then MVP and Benjamin throw another job in the ring and Lashley gives the guy alight kick to the arm. And the guy dies. I wrote that. He just. A. Light kick to the arm. Yes A flare flop. Like come. Are you serious? Yeah it was so and like when Lashley was before I was like well at least Lashley may he could make shit look good right and he didn't. NOPE fucking. They'll be like, oh, that guy had narcolepsy unrelated. Passes, out yeah. So, we got read your and versus keithly and. He's on the main roster now. So Keith Lee wears a shirt during the match because Vince doesn't like fat guys unless it's for comedy purposes like Otis Redding and like Keith Li. Like he yes. He's a big guy but he's also buff guy like the hulk and his his his weight and his stomach is not distracting. Otis's is or like Killian Dane where he has all the hair on his back and his gross like he's not like gross to look at. THEM AND KNOCK KEITHLY Again. He's got like he's got like the built of the fucking incredible hulk should show that off right? Like it's impressive. fucking. put a t shirt on he's part of a swim team or something. Like it's just stupid. So, we have a back and forth match for about five minutes. ORTON HITS THE DVD and sets up for the Arco but drew McIntyre shows up and pulls or out of the ring. So D- Q and Andrew get some shots in but Orton runs to the back later Caruso interviews McIntyre backstage but we're in the tax from behind and punch drew in the head for the third time in one night. And then after another commercial break crusoes standing outside the trainer's room and says, she heard through the door that they're afraid that McIntyre might have a skull fracture meaning bleeding in the brain. which is career-threatening and life threatening and life, and possibly life threatening reportedly career threat you might die in the trade you conductor Caruso. Could she heard it from the tour right? So yeah I guess that's the way to take McIntyre away, and that's that's a way to not have the championship match payback. What's the September one clash of Champions It'll happen there. Or Maggie tearing her share. But first, we have Sasha banks versus Oscar for the women's championship in a lumberjack match. Bailey tried to hand Sasha a chair. That not cheating. If it's a lumberjack match I think it's new. That's one. That's one. I don't know I think it's no DU. The bad guys are always beating up the good guys. True. All right. So Bailey tries to hand Sasha share but Shane Polls Bailey back and Sasha's reaching for it and then I'll see you make Sasha tap to the Oscar for the wind five minutes Yep. About Bing Bang boom big barely didn't help again she was like halfway engineering. Right. So in the garage, an ambulance pulls away and crusoe tells us that McIntyre will be taken to a local medical facilitate cancer hospital. Now why? Why Again Hospital built? Where'd you can't say? Belt. Vincent Trash. Christmas. Facility. Charlie interviews. Keith. Lee Who's a very close friend of drew somehow somehow as of that night. Yeah. We we just found this out. Keithly says, drew's one of the toughest people I know. So I'm sure he's GonNa be okay but read your I can't say the same for him. Oh and of course, that's the payback match. Back to raw underground we see. MVP. We see MVP and Sheldon Throw Cedric Alexander in the ring and lastly knocks him out. Right. So why would they want him now you? GotTa be richocheting. We've been trying to get this guy. He's a bitch. Maybe it's like fight club. We got beat you up until you're ready. Then, the Viking Raiders get in the ring, but the her business takes them out to. Where was Demi where I thought Demi left with five are. There I mean. If you how long do you think you got to leave with the just go somewhere take care of that. It's been two hours among show Andrew. He where he went, he took care of it. He did it. He did that she every week it's like how long has been trying to Seduce Caruso? Every time Chris is like I'm DT. I'm down to fuck and he never does it right and my head they fuck this whole time. And now that he's trying to get, she's like. What the Fuck Bro. You Dick was a my mouth an hour ago and after blondie. Fuck you or the fuck you. I'm just kidding bring the. By by the way I, know you like Demi but if we compare, it's still rather have Caruso. Yeah. Okay. To each their own youtube, Eric? Yes. Yeah. With you but like separately. That's like pizza or workers guys. We're talking about sure he argued that crusoes hotter. Sure. You're not going to argue that. Is the main event time we've got rain dominic, mysterious, versus seth and Murphy. Waiting for you. Know. Get a rain dominant give Murphy a double six nine dominic then goes the top row put the lights flicker and Dominic Shits himself. I hate that they're all done when that should happen now likes liquor dominic what? Dad I should my pants like punk deal. These re tweet. SEF pushes dominic off the top rope but then retribution shows up and Seth Murphy Murphy retreat to the stage and they watched retribution. Yeah. The Rain Dominic who are now like six seven. One big. Big Jakovic was clearly one of them clearly with them. One of them was wearing something slightly different than the rest like are you the leader? Right? Well, they had their faces were covered up way more this time. Yeah. So was like could this actually be the actual members and there were six of them this time maybe six hundred too much but you know we'll see. Yeah. So yeah. That's in a row. So let's give some awards. Do it. Who is your worst dressed? I had J Keith Lee I had carefully. Baskin his Gloria or basketball t shirt I his swim sasken shirt basket my swim soup. Best dressed as Lena Vega. Demi. So Caruso. Russo had a leopard draft picker. But I'm still picking Lena Vega. That's what I thought, which is better than no no. All. Right. Worse acting. Nyah. Jax. I also had I had ray dominic. Ray was not good for best acting. Randy. Yeah I mean who else had anything that was diesel only His ASS ask. Worse comment. When I've was leaving with. What's her name Demi? Byron's go on with your bad self five our own, my God. Well. I just deleted my answer. Going with that I was GONNA say Jeff, hardy getting cut off but that's A. apologized. Would you think no think is gonNA blow it. GonNa. Fuck deck if you're lucky maybe a little, he'd be happy someone asks you to suck. His Dick and he was like, no, please just I I'm just kidding I totally blew him. That's. Best comment. Bigger said when she walked up Charlie brutal, she's like, Hey, chuckles yes she was kind of pissed I put that. That's why you know. What did you have? No I never Really, anything it was nothing won't tape chuckles sweep it next shore fire way not all sweep vague all night long worse. Where's match? Ford versus guards. What about the fatal four way for the twenty four, seven championship about Bailey versus Naomi copy talent we just like that was the finish to the match on Sunday Ford Pin Garza late how they have to fight again? Yes. Although but Bailey versale me under two minutes but blessed for the win. That was my super slow. My super slow was the six woman tag a so I checked with the. podcast bylaws. And per by. Mark Henry appeared in a match young. So law, the arm wrestling match was the slowest Matthys. Federal rules. The bylaws even if he was the ref kind of still slow. I. Can overrule your answer and I won't. And best match. Just skip that worst mood. I. Thought. Was Okay Maybe. Aj Jeff because they actually changed the title but. Matteo's. Kicking Jeff's leg. I mean, yeah. Nothing was nothing was even good. Yeah, you could pick a match if you had to if I had to pick one. Yeah. I'm not picking one worst move the light Lashley kick. Yeah. Yeah. Yes and you're dead or dead and you're. Just. Little Tap. Day. Of? The toe-poke of doom right? That deserves a win. But I'm also I'm also throwing this on their because this deserves a mention as well, and that's the Braun punches off camera to no one. Yeah. The best move. I, guess nothing if there was. Ford's Ford's frogs floor. There was it was. It was crazy. Yeah. We're moment or segments arm-wrestling arm-wrestling. I Keith Lease Music Okay and only works than the armor-piercing segment. fucking, ruined his music. Entrance music is very important for wrestlers appearing point like his music. That was at the beginning the very beginning now on yeah. Yeah Best moment segment. Kevin Abby. I had the fun House I thought the. The only thing that piqued my interest was the puppets what took you so being in hills I was like, oh, that was kind of like, yeah. Be Interesting right because he didn't like what? I mean, if you had asked me to pick anything else, I don't know if I could nothing like Jeff Hardy when the title and it felt so unimportant. Should have been a big deal, but it just wasn't right. He fucking cut him off guy won an old title like, okay. Why am I? Why do I care? Yeah. Well, they should have major care that's the point they should make you give a fuck. But there's the storytelling so bad that you just don't. All right. That's all for awards. Now, it's time for some breaking news. So the fan dome was that SAS reunion yeah. So they released tons of shit they. They're coming out with new ARKHAM game, which I'm so excited about 'cause Arkham nights on my favorite video games of all time. They also showed the Batman trailer but there's there's also going to be a suicide squad video game coming in two thousand and twenty two. You might ask, why is this you know? Why are we talking about this on a wrestling podcast while the first trailer was released it looks really good by the way it does end the character King Shark is being voiced by Samoa Joe Thank you Eric Yes Samoa. Joe. I had this for us. You broke the story I did. You got the scoop barricade. I gotTa Saturday. The game looks cool though the whole suggests the he's he's the king. Yeah. He has a voice teacher. But, the game is killed the justice -Ly Yeah like there at the end of the trailer like Oh. We're supposed to then superman shows up he's holding a guy and he fucking lasers him to dust. Yeah and like so Superman's evil, right? Says Lee coming in twenty twenty, two, kill the justice. League, it's like, oh. Shit. How do you feel superman but you know obviously it's probably what happened. It's funny like. I watched that trailer and King Shark Actually Dialogue? Yes and I'm watching. The animated Justice League dark who apocalypse war and King Shark is in all he says, is King. Shark is also a short. I'm grew yeah during charters. We'll see like the also Samoa Joe you you of tell him but they also did at it his voice to where it doesn't really sound like it kind of sounds like in but not really like it sounds like a shark trying to talk like White, Samoa Joe there for video. Let's random time good for him. He likes playing video off time. I mean. That's not hard. That's not part of do that something be do on your off day now yeah. That's that's something that takes a day or two fucking voice. Also on one of his latest twitch dreams, Aj styles revealed that is WWe entrance music wasn't originally made for him. He said, it was actually made for James Storm who's going to be an annex t but storm ultimately decided to not sign with W. Yeah. Those are big moment his he showed up for one episode. After Bobby Rude won the title. Ask that at all really yeah. It's like right after bobby route one, the title, but he didn't have. Interact with. I don't think. So you just like job or someone to someone came out and confronted somebody. To Aj's music chemo no, no no no way. Okay Don't remember that at all maybe job to someone maybe. Yeah. you have anything else for news. Now. All right rumor dime. Kevin Owens wins back. The universal title made the Ballard. Club to finally get a second member. Sweet rock listener willingly works full schedule. No. Next year's WRESTLEMAINIA will be in Saudi Arabia Gun. So Dave meltzer reports that the reason they change the hair versus hair match was because Sony, the bill's lawyer didn't think it was a good idea for Sony to shave her head before the trial against her attempted kidnapping. Okay. Now, that makes makes a lot of sets and. She's going to be back. And repackaged, and there was like an exclusive on wbz dot com, where one of the reporters was trying to talk to Sony after she lost Summer Slam and she's like Sony Sony and then Sony said don't ever call me that again. So she comes back maybe she'll go back to her real name because originally she went by Doria which was a real name. Yeah. Then they repackage Sonia. So I predict that she goes back to next I mean that'd be cool. What do you think? Do you think Dominic Dominic will stay on raw or do you think you'll go? Because he needs word. Obviously. Well, he needs Mike Work Yeah he's finding the ring. Right but but half the roster needs Mike work. A lot of people suck on the Mike. I mean most professional wrestlers suck on the Mike. True. Most. Yeah. Yeah So. He's not gonNA. He's GONNA stand wrong. Guess. WHO's feud with or not? They would've they would've just went w or something you know. I'm. You know sure he's been training for a while any other rumors now the right then. I guess we'll get the fan questions. I'll do some trivia. Trivia. So. The last time that there was payback was actually three years ago they skip that pay per view for a couple of years. In my question just is would former w superstar was on the cover of the payback? Poster. Twenty. Seven, twenty, seventeen. Or? He said former. What former super. Chris Jericho. Chris Jericho. These things were on the poster an eye for an eye. Retribution these are just words that are on the poster because he was getting back at Kevin Owens loud well, vengeance redemption retaliation, which is funny because that's what I call them. What goes around comes around. You'll get yours and that interesting. How many main titles? How many main? Men titles were defended. Define a main title. Universal or w types only two. So pay were intercontinental title. or US. None of the titles were defended that's none of those those Jericho beat Owens. For the US title by the other titles. Brock is champion Goldberg Champion. Is that why did a title wasn't now? He lost it by then because after. Yeah. Brock no broccoli champion. That's why the other champion is my question. Okay. So brock the universal title, the WB champion then three years ago in twenty seventeen was. Orton and then Mahal no Orton. Oh, maybe the house of horrors match that they had. Yes that's right. Idol Yeah you're. Right. Yeah, we'll wasn't for. All Right van. Questions. Allen Kim it. What's happened to live Morgan? Any integrity she was trying to gain is gone coming through to music again, pointless tag matches and her tights are covering more of her ass. She was never getting a push. Was She. No, not unfortunately not so underrated. Jake Baker, push fire buried temp terrible entrance themes. We got. Babak. We got Keith lease new theme or right to censor. Remember, right to sent. It was just man. Fucking US push that. Fire breathing mode and Berry. Keith lease. Tony. See. Have you checked out all the all the new trailers? Yes. With the fan dome. Reno, you get a cushy job for life with all the wwe. With the wwe come on Reto you get a cushy job for life w meets all of your demands, but you have to do one thing. Kiss Vince is asked once a month even when he passes Jesus. Tattoo big dog as a tramp stamp and fight Brock for one minute I'm just let me just say the only reason reading this. Yes. I know 'cause Rideau has been ruining all my love's yeah he ruined Selena. Vega on my birthday. He did the face. APP and he did it. So perfectly to I have to give improper that because it shows like the video shows Alina Vegas stomach, and then the Pan Up and I'm like Oh yeah thanks reto and this fucking Rados face his dream on Zelina Vegas Body, and then he the same to Sasha and he's like I'm going to keep doing this read my question. So to answer your question, no, I would not take a job with. W We. Find a KISS VINCI's asked once a month even when he passes rows. And then fight brought for a minute. Okay. I'm dead is a real fight. So I'm dead right Dad I'm dead. Is it like an alley or an arranged because I could run away maybe like tattoo big dogs is fine. The other two no I would push a minute with brock bury the Roman thing a push. It's just you have to do all these were all again at WBZ contract. Oh no now. We're all right. The class talents, E W we answer the question real now stop it. All right Amir. For Berry Changing, history, stop WCW from going bankrupt stop the end of the streak or stop Sean from going to Saudi Arabia wow. Oh. I would push. That's really hard push ww WCW from going bankrupt. Yeah. Stop that keep the very sean in Saudi and fire. The end of the thing about the thing with W is wwe was still really good until two thousand seven when Ben Wall killed his family and then they went. PG right like it was still really good for those next six years like the ruthless aggression era. Yeah. We still really good. That's a tough one though yeah, I. Don't even know how I can answer that. What did you say push? Push every CW BERRY SEAN fire the streak. I mean I'll let you could I can't. That's too hard of the question I want to. Stop all of these things Jonathan Lorraina, why does Vince just have to ruin call ups? Just why also stay safe from the Hurricane Laura looks like it's going to hit. US pretty good. Yeah. Youtube Buddy, ravishing Rick Moranis with all the controversial stuff going on in the Thunderdome like the KKK. Benoi fire dream, etc. How long do you think it lasts till wwe overhauls it or scraps it altogether they're just GonNa, say join the Thunderdome, and then they're going to have like friends and family only. Like. Yeah. They're not going to stop it but the people that have been doing that are just going to get kicked and not invited again right or they're going to have a bunch of their staff like film like thirty second clips and they have reliable then yeah. They recycle them maybe no one would know, right? Yeah. Michael Ben Stein Push Berry push fire buried putting the hall of fame. The big dog perspire Berry Hall of fame. Yeah. The big dog the Big Guy, the big show and the big the valve Hausky. Fire the big Bigeye never liked him. Fire Rybeck Hall of fame for big. Boesky over the big show hall of fame for Val Venus. No big show hall of Fame Yeah. I'M GONNA GO JOAN that one. Has Big show ever said I was GONNA. Be The movie and God. Africa a lot come on Bellevue's was great. He was a one trick is. He was great. Very show. He was great Eric about talking about his Dick. That's hair. What was big show. When he debuted he was valid how many great moves at value to talk about of us a lot more remember that one. Where ricky she jumped on him from a cage? That's VAL. Venus's claim to fame ricky she jumped on him. Anyway and let's you talked about his Dick who spell berry wait hold on guy who has been on the Mike. No thought wrestling was best. Brian. And all whatever. We just did a week robbery cavalier. Dying laughing at val Venus because he was. So fucking funny. Come on. Now, he had a couple of good lines. Every week if he wasn't talking about his didn't he wasn't talking. Yeah. All right what chief of staff you love to talk about you early. This is the big Lebowski. Would I mean big shows gigantic you gotta give him credit for that one Mojo title. Okay. So great colleague. Hall of Famer. He's a big. Giant. Guy. We're GONNA do with him. Okay Vanguard to hypothetical Vince scituate. Finish entering that damn I already finished it. Move On. Okay. Push, push the big ski. Hall of Fame Big Show sure why not yet sure fires a big guy. and. Bury. y'All got junior pants valve came back vanguard chew hypothetical Vince. Situation it's one thousand, nine, hundred, nine, Wrestlemainia main event rock versus don't go versus undertaker. Yeah this is hypothetical. All three one, a different finish shoes vince listening to take stone cold now take. So cold. This is ninety nine. Yeah. He's the biggest star in wrestling show for some whole can be like well, Vince I want to. Own a drink like seven beers during the match and then thumb wrestling, and then with my feet I think I think he just means Derek damage to your genius I. Think he just made who's going to win who's GonNa politic their way for a win. Me Did. I don't know what you're talking about. All Right Anthony Paris just. Just an explanation as to why if retribution deal is to shrimp me, why did they leave the pay per view alone? Bigger question is, why did they talk about it on Summer Slam? True Watch this five minute video package of retribution ruining our company. Allan. Allan Dick, how many times did they show Orton missing his field go kick on McIntyre's head I lost count now. Paul, who has more Charisma Baron Corbin or a block of wood. Call man would. Yeah because at least who is in there? Yeah. True. Miles Stacey Chances Romans you'll turn is legit my money is he will come out smiling as a face acting like a doofus with those new teeth because that's his yard with. Let's hope not seven, one six. When are you going to do another recap of another raw from the attitude era? Give give us one maybe we'll do it next right? Right. Rob Maynard. When and punk inevitably returns on the first show back with a live crowd who who would each of you guys like to see feud with I. I mean I would say I would say AJ styles but I would almost say that for everyone because he's the best wrestler best slur, it's easiest answer seth rollins is also easy. We asking me he's fought seth rollins though when he was part of the shield. But yeah AJ styles right. Kevin Owens. Never Thought Kevin Own. That would be great to. The great guys in the Mike Yeah that'd be awesome. Shane moly special mention Tom. Phillips. For worse comment we're not done yet thirteen and a half minutes into raw. That's gone ours that has done village where alright well, now it's time I. Think this might be a weekly thing. Now WBZ's doing us every week. On your toast you can just keep the title error he got the. We got the payback predictions. So here's the thing as of Tuesday night. There's only four matches scheduled. Yes I'm not gonNA released a scorecard Wednesday I'm GonNa wait 'til smack downs will they put more matches on the card and then the three of us will fill in our answers later then we'll have a full card and over release it to everyone. But for now we'll just pick the four matches right nine sound good good good idea year all right I. We got keithly versus Randy Orton, get randy with a pin. Randy with a pin. Okay. I Have Keith Lee with a roll up pin. Wow 'cause I think maybe McIntyre. Interferes Avenue interference I have I. Have One person interfering or getting involved ca zero and keithly kicked out of anarchy. Oh. Hell to the no no known as well. All Right Women's team championships we have Bailey and Sasha versus Jackson State of Baiser I I've got baleen Sasha I don't I don't see. In Shane winning these. Okay. I have. For sure my glock. Nine. Shane. Titles off them so they can feud I have neither pinning, Sasha. Same I've Bailey pinnings Gina. And then you Balian Sasha break up after now I'm GonNa say no and maybe the next night. On Raw. But I don't think they do it there. Going to say yes so we'll see. United States Championship Apollo crews, versus Bobby. Lashley actually with a pin, lastly with the submission yet lastly with a submission. He does the full Lashley that's right. Never go full Ashley Never, and then how many people interfere get involved could be two four say to get to you I'm GonNa say zero and. Universal Championship, the fiend versus bronze showman versus Roman reigns I've got fiend with a pin I do as well. Really Yeah. I'm way different than you guys. I got Roman. Yeah I don't know not right away right away just pins the. Are are are are you talking about tremendous genius just remember those words. I have Rome with a pin. I seen within. Being kicked out of a sphere I. Say yes. Yes. I. Say no you couldn't get out of a Goldberg. Spear. Are you kidding yeah. But fifth year old man's fear we haven't winnings was gonNA kick out or something. Yeah. he doesn't have to how many people interfere get. Involved Zanele. Zeros. Well, who takes the fall stroman bill we could agree on that. We all get to surprise appearance I put. Jakovic. Oh. Where'd you get that idea eric from watching raw in that seven foot guy. Your. Wasn't me putting Jakovic on Summer Slam Yeah I put. Cova. Zine. Pat Pat Buck does not count jail if it's Pat. Buck that does not count it. If you could tell the difference that's fair enough shaved a little bit and you can't tell them that Sammy's fine there enough. It's like with razor diesel and they left Vinci's just make him savvy. Right. All. Right. Will there be underground joe now fucking stupid question. Stupid. I have no. Of course, it'd be Ron your. Grass. Okay Eric Will there be retribution divergence Jim Liam. They'll be here they will be. Yes, you sure. Yes I said yes as well. I said, yes. Retribution Right. What's the opening match? Pre Show doesn't counts Shit any writing you let her answer I then. I'm going to say. US title. Look I put that. Exactly US title Andrew. I won't the match that hasn't been announced. I went Jeff Hardy versus Aj styles Oh. Okay. What's the main event? That's easy university universal Yup. Pick predict amash it hasn't been announced yet streep prophets and Bianca. Belair versus. The civic. Eric. To Happen I. Had Alastair Black and Owens. That's what I put an. INPUT AJ Jeff. Spreading around but it around. My seed. How many announcer tables are broken zero, the break at some time could I must say it wasn't supposed to break. The. Event we know is a triple threat. I think crazy shit's going to go down with these guys. I. Got One. That's true. And then lock of the century. pained. Have, Guy Shayna. Black and other Matt's been announced. Okay Josh. What are you GONNA do? There's only four matches. Do. So today go. Get announced. You'll ask us what we WANNA do. Know why you'll be here, right Eric Eric felt like the night of yeah. You won't get those points. That's okay. Used to beat US probably the champions. Yeah. So all right. Make sure screw. Our podcast gives a five star review check at our website. What's wrong with wrestling DOT COM now, mobile friendly go check it out. It's new design like the show on facebook follow us on twitter and Instagram at wrestling. GET A T shirt up harassing tease dot com slash. What's wrong with wrestling and become a supporter of the show at Patriot dot com slash what's wrestling five bucks get you everything Wednesday night war recaps paper every recaps classic recasts movie recaps brackets. It's all there. Man Right. Check it out. Hey, remember when we get to. Like our social media doesn't happen. This is the pot. Do I plug at Injury Fasano you? Guys after pay back way. I don't care. Sounds like mobile. Guy. No. Loud. centric. Know that Joe. Dog Fan. Man were. Daddy camp, feeling old and his. 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"Old. And case we talked about give up play calling duties and they got off to attend nothing star before they lost on Sunday. which is like telling everyone I'm the problem. There is. Now On the hot seat. The Moroni. In. But chiefly, today God. So I don t doug. MARRONE. Jaguars are just Yuck Yucky Yucky black this year. As. Jeff Ross about Larry King his name is yes. Fan Base is this what they want this organization. Getting in the AFC championship game twenty seventeen has done nothing. beat the last ever raider game at the Coliseum are they won that one? They've been imploding. Extended Blake. Bortles. Through the media by some of his teammates. and. Trapped in this. Toxic acids to just shedding all pro players. And the optimism after they beat the colts in week one. But an ugly home defeat to the dolphins in week three. They've lost six games in a row now one in six. And it's been a very rapid fall from grace from Maroney. Since he got to that AFC championship game as the Jags has won the laughing stock. So they already fired Tom Coughlin. Shipped him out as they said, a lot of great players gone one of them with the rams. Now. And show he'd con calm shod every he came over to America in Pakistan and was brilliant in school and ended up working selling off parts mufflers. American dream here. But if you want to turn around, he's got to do something. Now our friend Robert Michigan called sucked about how well Matt Patricia got off the hot seat a little bit. With his two game, win streak that impressive come from behind, win with the Falcons who The Falcons score touchdowns and lose. It just shows you where they are. They score a touchdown and they lose no no, no, no no no no. No. What happened we got a touchdown. And that good. Now it's bad. But Patricia was on the hoc- coming in and so does that mean that he's off? This is all under the guise of Hey Bill Bella check coaching tree. And a defensive guy. Under the defensive. It's funny when people said well, when Brady leaves New England will see who was really more a part of that success was. Or was it Brady If you just WANNA go on the first half of the season. It was mostly Brady. But there's more to it than just wins and losses but if you just look at it macro with a Panoramic view you'd be like the Patriots Suck and Buchan here's our good now. So, two years in. There's nothing chicken about Map Patricia's rain and a matter of fact, the Lions. Are just not good. I mean six and ten in his first year. and. Then last year three, twelve and one. You could say, well, Matt Stafford was heard half the year. All right. We'll and Matt Stafford was healthy last year they went three, four, hundred one. They got all three of their wins. The quarterback you can say really hasn't. In the issue which leaves the Bulls eye on the front office and. Coaching staff as well. But. They're not gonNA fire themselves Patricia is going to have to really show something in the second half for the lions fans to. The by. Good news for them as Stafford is completely healthy again, and he's got some weapons and. Adrian Peterson is you know still trying to bell cowboy it but that defense right now. Average more than twenty-six. Points a game. twenty-seven last year it doesn't look good for a coach that hangs his hat on defense. And if they fixed that. And maybe they'll be cooking with gas but Patricia would be another one that would be on the hot seat. Of course, a couple of other guys already gone Atlanta and Houston. But I think the Adam Gay situation is just an owner like you can't tell me what to do. Everyone Hillary Clinton all the women and go why aren't you divorcing Bill Clinton? Why aren't you divorce? She was my marriage. It's my business. I'm telling me what to do which I respected. You should divorce him liquidated with Monica Lewinsky. It's my I think it's kind of like right now with the jets don't tell me what to do. He's my coach. I'll firearm if I feel like it. Byrom. Screw you. I'm keeping him forever now I'm giving him a ten year extension. I'm Rick Tuttle coming back right here. Birth. This is a Potter's field. When people can't pay for their funerals, they are buried here. It is a lonely desolate place littered with unmarked headstones. No one visits no one leaves flowers, but it doesn't have to be that way for as low as one dollar a day you could ensure your family will have the money to pay your funeral expenses. We offer burial insurance plans the pay up to thirty thousand dollars considering the average funeral costs more than ten thousand dollars. That's peace of mind for your family there are. No medical exams, your rates won't increase and your policy cannot be cancelled. 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Love the show. Thanks Chris. My friend thinks that dusty Baker is a sure-fire lock for the hall of fame. I think he needs to win a world series. What do you think? Chris. Thanks for the email. I think he's in the hall of fame because of what he did as a player combined with what he's done as a manager and I agree with your friends, I think he is first ballot. I don't think he needs to win a world series if he was someone that had no baseball career. You know like a sparky Anderson or one of those guys are a cup of coffee type of situation like a Tony Larussa. and. I think you would be right. But I don't think. That dusty is going to miss out on the hall of fame. Because his teams never won. A world series as skipper. And Yeah, they succumbed did his astros to the and Game seven but. He was the perfect hire. I'll give him krant a lot credit. Who could he bring in? I could have instant respect. And deflate the slings and arrows that the Houston Astros quite honestly missed out on if there was any silver lining to a global pandemic for them, it was the fact that they didn't have to deal. With the fans. In Oakland and L. A. And New York and Boston in anywhere else they were gonNA. Go there was a lot of bad blood. So. If you think about all those layers. That's sign stealing scandal where the players got off Scot free for immunity from unity for being tattled tales even though they did it, they weren't punished. And the GM and the manager were gone. And the owner trying to save face. You'd say, well. They didn't even have a winning record in the regular year. That's true. Yeah. But they swept the twins they beat the as and they almost got past the Ray. But it's it's kind of what makes dusty. So special situations is the guy just. Survives after I mean he was almost kind of a punchline. A couple of decades ago because he was so out of the loop when it came analytics. and. He would drive a lot of giants France crazy with his pitching changes sometimes, but he was still multiple manager of the year. He's he's a very old school rare guy i. think he's got a great baseball IQ. He's got good vision as well. And I think if you look back a game four against Tampa. When Zach Cranky? was. Having problems. Is Pitch. Count was up Ryan Presley. was in the bullpen ready to go. And in that age in this age where managers just. Go right to the bullpen. No matter what. Acre might be one of the only managers left that went out talked to the starter and say, Hey, feeling. Greg's I am good. because. Okay. We'll stay in there. You know I was at all seven of those World Series Games in two thousand one against the angels when the giants. Those those games and giants football scores just laugh irs. Remember being in the bathroom in Anaheim listening angels fans on was like well, we tried but we're just not cut out to win the world series there almost like defeatist. And he handed the ball to recipes. Right then. But. You can say. That in game seven. That Baker's. His human touch. Was all their food wanted to see too because. When Lance mccullers Off the field after giving a three. You know Baker was there and to give them a hug. But you know, but you know that game seven. Didn't work out for him. He didn't get to the world series as A. As a manager. But still if you think about it, he's fifteenth all-time in wins. Fifteenth all-time One Thousand Eight hundred and ninety two. Is the only manager in the history of baseball. Lead five different teams to the play offs. I don't know if. that. was set in passing Oh. This is fifteen what. Is Fifteen. He's taken in the playoffs. In twenty three seasons as manager. Ken Playoffs. One. pennant. As I mentioned. He. Is a three time manager of the year in the National League. And he three, Ninety, seven, two, thousand. So he go to the hall of fame. You'll see twenty two packs plaques. At belong to people who are classified as managers. And for those aloe. Pez. Wilbert. Robinson. Ned Hanlin and frank sealy never won a world series of the manager. Now, if you know those names good for you because I don't, but if you look into it Hanlin and Sealy they managed. Almost, entirely. Before we even had a world series. First World Series was nine, hundred, ninety three. Those guys don't really count. Right. But Lopez and Robinson. Sort of counter. The whole notion that a manager has to have a ring. So I mean if it's the standard. And, it's a standard that's very inconsistent because Robinson has one, thousand, three, hundred, ninety, nine wins as a manager. which is five hundred less than Baker. And he's one game over five hundred. Then Lopez. Is Four hundred and six games above five hundred. But he never won a world series. So there's not there's no hybrid hall of fame. In which an inductive is characterized as a player and a manager, and if anything holds back, you could say, well, he wasn't good enough as a player was close and he wasn't good enough as a manager but he's close but they don't pick 'em like that people are gonna see Dusty Baker's name on the ballot and they're gonNa vote form because of what he did. Both. That's what's going to happen because Baker was a major league outfielder for nineteen years. Nineteen years. And there's a comparison because Al Lopez played nineteen years and Wilbur Robinson played seventeen years. and Dusty Baker was an excellent off. I. Remember when his last year with the as because that's what we do. We took old dodgers Lopes say didn't matter Eric Karros. And he came up. With two outs in the bottom of nine. With the tying run on second popped out and I thought maybe is done. But you have to talk about. The fact that when he was named as manager and ninety four, the giants black managers were woefully under represented. And whether these implements where informal or not. They've been reflected in society obviously, but it's not radical say that. Acre overcame almost all of his peers. To become one of just twenty six managers. Spent two decades in a major league dugout. and. Yes, there are. There's some absurd things that can happen in postseason baseball maybe it works against you maybe Baker will be back in the next year with Houston we don't know. Maybe he doesn't WANNA be. But dessie Baker. is going to be in the hall of fame. And like I said when you see a name pop up, you don't think well, let's break it down. Is he going in as a manager or is he going in? You know this isn't the Olympics. You know we'll what you see you saying Bolt and then you see Paul and you're like, no, he can't Paul. This is just the baseball hall of fame. and. Dusty Baker. Was a world champion as a player, but if you think about. Guys who are just because they've accrued stats like Don. Sutton. St Basically has you know. Twenty years as a player, and then what twenty five years as a manager is fifty years in the game at the highest level with a lot of success. And it doesn't hurt that he's well liked. Doesn't hurt that easy to get along with. That also helps because robots don't vote human being stew and I think most people have had good interactions with Esti Baker over the years. It's good to be well liked. You think about the five cities and he's taken to the playoffs. And you know he's Cincinnati and Chicago and. You just go on and on San Francisco it's a guy that has a lot of friends and a lot of places around America. So. When his name is on the ballot. I think he goes in first? Ballot. Armored, we'll talk more baseball on the other side come on back sports violent. cleanings checkups in cavities have Dr Chang's dental practice that capacity. 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Round for a book Absolutely correct pleasure beyond with you the opportunity to talk about the book. it is special. It's the last great American sports mystery bar none period. First Time I've been able to take the character that has grown in holiday just like policy did and be able to take this and distill it down. Tell some of the truth and keep the legend of Steve delk Hausky alive absolutely wonderful story. And you think about how fast he threw we didn't have radar guns back then and I remember seeing this old film about with Bob Seller they'd have a motorcycle and he'd throw it at the same time. But some people some people estimate that maybe he was hitting one hundred and ten what where what do you think? I believe the Dow cousy was throwing over one, hundred, ten miles an hour. Now, I've had opportunities to work with You know talk flight pitchers, Ieng Award winners, Major League. All Stars, guys who throw a hundred miles an hour I have some idea. What's what's involved? In our research wreck, there wasn't one individual who ever saw doubt Kaczynski pitch not one. WHO said that there was somebody threw harder and you've got some marvellous people like Pat Gillick, a hall of Famer. WHO said hardest thrower of all time you got sudden Sam McDowell who can truly bring it and he said he threw a lot faster than me but not one guy ever said there's somebody else that you should consider first place on the uncharted. I time and went down to a semi Birmingham Alabama to talk with the Doctor Glenn Lysergic Merican. Sports medical. Institute down there and presented my theory on what would have taken for somebody to do this. We can't ever proven rick. You know that we don't have if we had film we'd be able to go to that point and perhaps I extrapolate something. Radar guns, we could do something without we don't have either to to work with. So the theory that I presented to Glenn in his MIT team where all of these things they lined up as possible and they were gracious enough to say yet Bryan you're theory would stand up it could happen could absolutely have. And for a guy who never made the majors, it's because he would basically strike you out or walk you. He had no command and luckily from what I hear he would miss up and down if he missed in and out, he probably would have been killing people. At that time. But I'm sure a lot of people because now I mean if you throw one hundred miles per hour, any pitching coach will say give them to me. I'll fix them and I guess that was part of the problem. Well it was part of the problem. Yeah. Del caskey's problem wasn't wasn't mechanical. There were some simple things you know if he was up and down everybody reported that's a club is wasn't firming out front of him. He wasn't taking his chest to his glove. Okay. That's that's a pretty simple fix. The middle fixes a lot tougher back in the nineteen fifties and nineteen sixties. There were no mental skills coaches. It was tough it out. Come on rex figured out what would you please just get the to do what you need to do. Here, the problem was downcast. He had a bunch of things that he took to the mound every time he went to Hill Okay I'm the fastest pitcher in the world that's baggage. Maybe I had a strike everybody out. That's baggage baby I walk a lot of people and I'm was all get out that's baggage baby every time he went to a bump he was dealing with all this stuff before he threw a pitch one and the minute something started to go sideways all this stuff erupted in front of him he didn't ever have. Or we became close but he never had somebody that he could truly trust and and develop a solid relationship with as you have to. If you're going to help a pitcher who has those kinds of issues between the years and please understand Rick I'm not denigrating St Doubt house-key in any way we've all got the issues we've all got problems and he needed somebody that he could trust and a solid relationship to help them get through it. Have they been able to simplify the task I'm confident that we would have gotten throwing strikes and he would have been on a bus to. COOPERSTOWN. And it's yeah and we don't want to denigrate a guy but you mentioned earl weaver who was his manager and AA did he not? Of his whole team and Iq test and found out that DOC Hausky was no road scholar either. That that's absolutely true. That's that's what we have written. You're right. He was not any Tony Scholar and we don't know. Whether, that really took place we were said it did we have several accounts that say direct right but this is a very odd thing for any organization to out of the sky just pause it and they let's give IQ tests the teams everybody stacks up there was nothing like this going on. So it's a it's a little bit odd Steve. Blew it off and said that when he had the opportunity to. Take some kind of test like that. He didn't arrogate that it was fully i. q tests they just see Kinda, blow it up. What do you see you see a lampshade and the guy looks at Mike, Wilson L. and w what are you talking about? He wasn't paying any attention to it. So it's hard to know whether or not. That was an accurate score for doubt cousy. More, questions for Brian mcandrew Co author of Delco the Untold Story of baseball sauces pitcher. I, love the stories of. Who's the best hitter ever? Ted Williams faced them once in spring training. He said I I never ever WanNa face that guy again he's too fast. Story over here in Stockton that he? Doug Harvey's Umpire's mask and put them in the hospital for three days. There was another one he he made a bet with a guy that he could. Couldn't throw it through a wall and he did and then another one that he could throw the ball four hundred feet in the air but they're all. I. Witnesses to these crazy stories that said, no that actually happened all this stuff right? That's exactly right. We have we have corroborating dialogue and evidence of people saying that these things. In fact occur you know we we dispelled some of the other ones like is having taken a year off a batter's head I spoke to Bob the beavers who was the the recipient of fast ball in the air low and made a message. His had no desire. But none of that story was true and you know the Ted Williams stories and interesting right we have thirteen versions of the Ted Williams story. That thing that's fascinating about that is you know what? What What uncommon sports page article Ted Williams was Ted Williams really decided to get in and say style co it's it's pretty incredible that it was never reported isn't it? Know I had a chance to talk with ten million's a couple of times not about doubt co but. He is to say that he could count the stitches on the baseball coming in you could read the commissioners name on the ball coming in and yet he did report Ernie Harwell was not a legend allies that he faced up caskey once and he never saw the ball. That's that's impressive. That tells you the guys on something special out there. That's crazy. The radio pitch she can hear it but you can't see it and then they said life after baseball he wasn't a man of of letters and what was he gonNa? Do he had no cash. And basically turned to the bottle and it's a story unfortunately that we hear too often with former athletes. It it's A. It's a tragic story. You know. Steve. Steve. Whether it was his choice or whether he was I say. Routed into this not railroad or just wrote it into you really WanNa be a baseball player was at the only thing that he had in mind and life that he wanted to do. We'll never go the absolute answer that question but it was in fact, the only thing that he ever did pursue and once he left the game and realize that Zeus had taken back thunderbolt and he was not going to be a major league baseball player. He did what most people not I can't say most people. But what a lot of people will do you know when you find that that things are are not going going well and you don't have a positive distraction. You're loan that loveliness starts to pile up in substance start to sneak in. So while there's some some debate wreck about how heavily he drank during his playing days by the time, he had the arm problem, his drinking escalated and for the next twenty plus years. He ended up being dimension induced by alcohol and it's a shame that had happened. You think nowadays and yes by the way it was reported the Corona Virus Kill Them just let people know who think it's a hoax but I think nowadays if you had an arm like this, no matter what his IQ level that he would have been put in cotton wool or a net like Kobe beef and would not have been just cast aside that he would have received proper training and coaching. Do you think guys demons guys, demons? Did things there I'm consonant that that we could work with Belco today and we could help him. His motive is most obvious problems where between the years and I don't mean that he was a mental defect. That's not what I'm saying we all have those problems between the years, but he couldn't find a solution or somebody to trust to do that. The problems that he had mechanically I think would have been easy to fix it just needed. To have somebody help him to still the gave down, simplify the focus helping him to understand what is real job on the mound was because he didn't have control harder than anybody on every single pitch or strike out every hitter you talked to all the great ones you talked to give you talked to Colfax they'll tell you became a pitcher. Once I realized I didn't have to do those things. I'm confident that we could have helped him tremendously. And then finally like so many stories of career minor leaguers or these four players. Right when he was going to get called up the injury bug hit him right. Yep. That's it's so unfortunate and it's so ugly and there are probably several reasons for it. It may have been overthrowing wreck. It may have been all the things they did on the sidelines sometimes throw for hours on the sideline before again to try and tire him out hoping that would help him find the strike zone and as a pitching coach, he's had the opportunity to work with pop flight players. The slider is a pitch that sometimes is an absolute given to some players. And not others and it's taught it incorrectly, you're gonNA torque things in your arm, the elbow shoulder area in particular, and we know from studies that are done on by mechanics. We shouldn't be able to throw a baseball at all. So if you've talked to slider incorrectly and began using tremendously us a lot and sixty two, that's for sure. Then these things all may have contributed to what also was the UCLA popping in his elbow and Downey's went. It's terrible tragedy. Really. WANNA recommend everybody pick it up once again from influence publishers it's called Dow Akot the Untold Story of Baseball's fastest Pitcher, and we've been speaking one of the co-authors Brian mcandrew brand congratulations on the book. It's good timing. We need content. We need to learn about this guy, and let's let's catch up on the show for your next book. Outstanding. Thanks very much for the opportunity all the very best enjoy the series tonight buddy. Are I think much I'm rick to the we will take a quick break and come on back works poverty. Attention to anyone that's written a book a wants to write a book. The process is not that complicated. Take a first step. Even if you write a page a day you build momentum and your book will become a reality. The hard part is getting it published. That's when you need to call page publishing. They've got hundreds and hundreds of thank yous from New Orleans. 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I know that the I think the giants just laid off people are thinking about a lot of teams are doing it. But If. You think about you know the billions and billions of lost. Our people are GonNa really fork out for George Springer and the answer is yes people like that are still going to be getting paid. The three billion dollars in operating losses is not divided evenly by the way as well. Some teams are doing better than others. As I mentioned especially those who made the playoffs they got an extra little kick. Of Cash there. Anything about missing out on the playoffs by one game like the giants could they have used a slice of that fifty million dollar pie asked the players and the front office absolutely. The hope is a full one, hundred, sixty, two games next year. Fans in the stands at the way we're going right now. And and who knows every day? It's a different story but that we Won't have. The. You know the what's it called vaccine until the summer. Never ask. Well, the show just ended we will check you out tomorrow nine am time. y'All. Brain damage. You're listening to the heartland newsfeed radio network at live dot heartland news feed dot com. This stream is supported by advertises and contributions by. US. On facebook, twitter and instagram. Sprint to the polls continues to Lisa Brady Fox News over sixty five, million Americans voted in some areas already exceeding the total vote from two thousand sixteen, not just the early vote even as both sides continue their closing arguments president trump on his way to more rallies criticizing the democratic nominees campaign strategy. He will speak in Michigan Wisconsin and Nebraska today while Joe Biden visits Georgia and former President Barack Obama holds a driving rally in Florida still focusing largely on the president's Kovic response upper endemic would have been challenging for any president. But this idea that somehow this White House has done anything. 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The follow up to the Helena sell paper, which actually was a follow up. For the draft. We have draft. Everyone switches shows allegedly permanently. and. Then we get a bunch of brand versus brand is on TV. We have feuds kicking off at Helena sell that involve a guy on raw in a guy on smackdown. The raw guy by the way got drafted to raw, and then last night was quietly put back on the smackdown roster page I'm talking about Tucker. So. I believe they just moved him back to smackdown because they figured out. Wait a second. How we GONNA Have Otis and Tucker feud if they're on different brands so I think that Tucker has been moved next smack DAB, but one way or the other they could all this trouble. In the middle, of October, and then as soon as Helena sellers over, it's billed to survivor series, which is all brand versus brand matches. And somebody in our board at a great idea. And it's not like one of those ideas where you need to be Mensa candidate to come up with this one they said, why does in the draft take place in December? December's always a time of year where nothing's going on everything kind of slows down. Wouldn't that be a great time at the end of the year? To do the big draft and shuffle up the rosters, and then the board is set as we move into royal rumble season and wrestlemainia season instead, they randomly do a draft in October and then after switching everybody to the other brands, they mmediately go to brand warfare for a full month. It doesn't even make any sense. You could do brand warfare, and then the next day you do the draft something but anyway, we'll talk about rob. Well, we've got a lot of other stuff as well. smackdown ratings on F s one hey W and x t tomorrow and much much more back in a moment to kick it off wrestling observer live. 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So moments after the show enough year yesterday, we got the ratings for smackdown on F, s one everybody eagerly awaiting these numbers. And last year. They did eight hundred. And eight thousand viewers when they moved from Fox to F S One. Because of the world series. and Lo and behold they move back to Fox the next week and everything was back to normal. So the question was well, how are they GONNA do this year? and. The answer is he did virtually exactly the same. They did eight hundred and eighty-one thousand viewers on F S One fifteen on cable in the eighteen to forty nine demo. Point two, five rating. So, yes. In fact, in fact. A W. Beat smackdown. This. Week. In eighteen, forty, nine, they did a point three zero. And smack down to zero point two five. So. Obviously. I knew this would be controversial when I posted these numbers on. Ying Mikey's doing something over there. I knew these numbers will be controversial when I when I posted on my twitter. and. Of course, they weren't everybody is freaking out and it's not fair comparison. Blah. Blah Blah Blah. Blah. A. T. and T.'s and more homes has one listen. We're talking about the rating here. Right. The rating is a percentage of the homes that have the channel. So, it doesn't matter if you're if you're comparing the rating, it doesn't matter how many homes either station is in. It's a percentage of the homes that have the station. So in fact, it is a fair comparison. Now on top of that. smackdown on F s one went up against the world series. And a w also went up against the world series and quite frankly a w also went head to head with another professional wrestling show which smackdown did not in fact, it is an unfair comparison for a w not smackdown. So. AWB's smackdown this week. So people are very angry about this, but it's just the fact of the matter. But I do want to say this because because Davis, has been talking about this for a while. The fact that's what would happen. He says if a w went to Fox on Friday nights. and. What he has done is he has looked at shows it of aired this year on network. And then later in the week, they went to cable and it's been the case with a few different sporting events, and now it has been the case with smackdown. A show can do X. number million viewers on network and they go to cable and they do a fraction of that smackdown. Two billion viewers on Fox and they go to F s one and they do eight, hundred, eighty, thousand. So. He has pointed out that if a w went to Fox, they probably be doing very similar to what smack is doing maybe slightly fewer viewers but probably a higher demo. and. There is a strong chance that he is correct however. However. Although we have many examples of a show going from network to cable and having its number slash and then having its number grow and it goes from cable network because that absolutely positively does happen. The only flaw in this theory. Is that there is another show. Then went from cable to network. and. It did not see its audience exploded in viewership. You don't that show was. Show A SMACKDOWN SMACKDOWN was on the USA network. And it was doing around two million viewers or whatever two point two two point three actually might have been doing. Two point three or whatever. But they moved to Fox. And they did not double. They did not triple. They did about thirty percent higher and over the course of a year they fell to where they're doing basically less now on Fox and they were doing on the USA network. So my point of all of this is it is possible. It. is possible that if a w move to Fox, they would be doing smackdown numbers. But? In no way is a guarantee because that not happen with smackdown. And we also aside from a we have another WBZ property then is on not only cable but the exact same network did raw is on and it is not doing two million viewers. It's doing six, hundred, eighty thousand viewers or seven hundred, thousand viewers in. It's an extreme. So while it's a fun mental game to try to figure out what would happen this net do there's no guarantee the only way we're really going to know what aws on Fox is if W. ever comes to Fox, it's not happening anytime soon. So Maybe. We'll never know Mike your thoughts. A little bit of a fun fantasy booking there with TV to think about gets worse for wwe when you think about how good A WS numbers are eighteen to forty nine certainly in comparison to annex t I mean I think that was one of the more amazing things that you guys talked about was the fact that head to head eighteen, forty, nine and x t with one, hundred, seventy, eight, thousand viewers. Just amazing. Absolutely. Amazing. It's crazy how buoy they are still by their their fifty pluses and how that's probably not going to change for a long time and I think that's where. You have a better selling point say magically if the spot became open in the two brands had devised for you know, okay. What are you have? What are you going for you? What are you have going for you and that's one thing annexed. He can point to number one they have an energized fan base they have fan base willing to spend and WWE has that too. But the big thing that they have is the fact that they have people under the age of twenty five years old I'm the age of thirty four years. Old under the age of forty nine years old those categories that that stack up advertisers like so much. They have those in their pocket a lot better off than what smackdown doesn't it feels like right now. So certainly better than exte- gut. So that's that's the biggest thing there is you know with all this banter you can play around and imagine what if one moved here and what of one moved here doesn't matter really wh-. Matters is what they do week after week after week and you know we see obvious results from both. Are we also got to shows tomorrow we've got annex t an eight W and next got their Halloween havoc. Show. Yesterday talked about other shows while you're GONNA go two hours fifteen minutes plans change. Now it's looking like normal five minute overrun but I guess we'll see what happens when they go live. We got spin the wheel, make the deal Yoshahara versus candice spin the wheel make the deal Damien priests versus Johnny. Gargano. Gargano is attempting to become double champions on the show tomorrow Rear Ripley faces rebel Gonzalez's Dexter loomis versus Cameron Grams. and. An appearance by Pad McAfee. Shotsie, blackheart is the host. And for dynamite. We got Kenya Mega versus Penta. Who is replacing an injured Phoenix we've got hangman page versus wardlow cody versus Orange Cassidy in a lumberjack match Eddie Kingston inside Al and an inner circle townhall Chris Jericho and M J F. which I think it's mostly about trying to convince the rest of the inner circle. To accept 'EM J F into the fold. So that's the plan for tomorrow. Maybe you could do a poll here on twitch which show are you looking forward to tomorrow Halloween havoc or a w I mean I'm actually equally looking forward to both because looking at the lineup for dynamite, it looks like a very good lineup. But Halloween having Scott Spin the wheel make the deal I mean God, only knows what wheels GonNa Land on God only knows how Johnny Gargano will react to anything Johnny Gargano deeming it can't be bad I mean I don't even think any stipulation could screw that up at e Oh and candidate is going to be very difficult for them. Never bad match no matter what the stimulus I guess maybe buried alive with them might suck. But Well Dixie loomis cameron crimes, I could do without but. Anyway, I'm excited for both shows tomorrow my the only one. Yeah probably. There's plenty of there's plenty of older over fifty guys like you or getting ready for the next show but. I just blows my mind that you have this you've been hyping it up for weeks, and this is all you've been announced so far I can understand wanting some surprises and tricks and things like that. But if this is going to be that big of a deal have more than just shots he out there have more than just making a joke about the wheels with Johnny? Gargano. Built. Some of this stuff they got four matches announced that seventy five percent more and sometimes one hundred percent more than they've ever announced this the this is where we are with the bars for these the ads pretty pretty darn low but you know I'm looking forward to Pat McAfee and because again, the people involved in the naturals I'm hoping they're pretty good though the finishes and such maybe. Back in a moment observer live. Strike. Nobody knows. I can't see next. Know. If you or a loved one is suffering from physical or emotional condition that has left you unable to work. 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I mean absolutely atrocious I. Mean I talked yesterday about how ten years ago Rainier. Was The champion and MS had the money in the bank. And now it's twenty twenty and rain a champion and I love radio and but it's twenty twenty and radio and his champion and MS has the money in the bank. Every probably building towards. Randy Orton and edge which I mean that feud is from. Over well over a decade ago. So. All I ask is, can we can we elevate somebody? And after a long discussion with Dave. Radio last night, it did suddenly strike me. They have actually elevated somebody. His name is drew McIntyre. Now. Of course, drew McIntyre like thirty six years old and he also has been there for well over a decade but at least some buddy. was moved into the main event makes it had not been there before, but that's it. And as I look at the show here and look at all of the different opportunities where they could have elevated somebody new, it's just the same old thing. Shameless Beats, Matt Riddle. Lana is going into the. Survivor series five versus five women's match. Why Mia? Not In there I mean me a Yelm is she's new on the roster. She's better than Lauda. She would be a better worker. She's a new face on the show but no, we gotta we gotta throw in there who they apparently are trying to make a baby face. I have no idea how? and. I don't know I just saw this show was just booking nightmare. It's the same old stuff. I guess if you're a new fan, you haven't seen all this stuff, eighty five times it's new to you. So congratulations I mean they're all new faces to you but for anybody that's been watching for any length of time. It's the same old thing over and over again. That's all I got to say for the moment. I mean it's Nice that you give him credit for drew and they do deserve credit for protecting drew but my you know. If there's not an issue with Matt. Rental. What's the deal because you need more than just one person at the top you need levels to these people and you bring over Matt Riddle. He already looks like a Geek last week in the way that he lost to AJ styles being intimidated by the bodyguard for her UFC fighter intimidated by the bodyguard sees a fist then just takes a flat back bumped to get away from it. Insane. So okay, you can do some redemption this week. have him go out there and fine if you don't want him to beat shameless but then have it go to some sort of spin is heavy a double d q have both guys disqualified for kicking too much. Ask Do something to solidify Matt Riddle in a position where hey, you know maybe he's not invincible is world champion, but we can get something out of this guy. He can be a secondary guy we can build him to do something maybe no. And loses clean raid. Good match mean can't say it wasn't a good match. He's the perfect guy to have shameless in there with two guys just slamming into each other but shame goes over. And there were people that were like theorising about Oh, well is this because of something with the outside of the ring now if that's the case? Then, Matt Riddle either shouldn't be on TV or wouldn't be on TV. That's the whole point. Let me stop you for a moment. Okay. Very far from the only person that's been accused of anything me okay. And look at what they did. To. Various other people besides real. We had people fired. We have people that vanished for weeks and months. Matt Riddle. I don't know I have no idea if Matt Riddle is guilty of what he has been accused of I don't know but let me tell you what I know. One hundred percent. Tell me believes him. because. If they didn't, he wouldn't be on television. So the idea that the reason that shame is beat Matt Riddle is because of what's going on with Matt Riddle outside of me know. If, that were an issue he wouldn't even be on television. They are behind him. It is outside of the W. E.. Experiences whatever you WANNA call it. That's why it's on television. The booking something totally totally separate from that. It's exactly right and that's the biggest thing is in Vinci's mind. He's given this guy hurdle. He's given this Guy Oh, a proving ground get over on whatever it is in their mind they think they're doing of Matt Riddle. What are you doing again I can see perfectly, I'm old I could see why you would say you know what drew McIntyre and and Matt Riddle I see drew McIntyre's champion Would you put Steve Austin? The Rock Hall whatever Yeah I could see where he wouldn't. But you have such a dearth of stars you need to build them up on all sorts of different levels you know and you don't, and there was a great example of it last night there were lots of problems you you you go with retribution and survivor in in. The her business for this long. You have survivor series coming up. It's a perfect place to do whatever it is that you want to do to get rid of this feud and they do it last night and on top of that, you have bobby. Lashley he's going to be involved in a match against Sammy's, and because of course, we're going to have a bunch of inter promotional matches because this is the only time of year where it happens I mean just completely ridiculous and the show was interminably long the when the first hour was just getting over with and we were in the firefly funhouse you know it was really going to be downhill and I don't know I know that Bray Wyatt and I know that the whole white family thing and the firefight funhouse has got its supporters and I can't say that I've hated some of the things Bray Wyatt has been involved in but like you know it's been all downhill frankly and I know how much you hated Wrestlemainia in the match in my opinion that's the high water mark of brave wide. Coming back. That's still the best thing that he has been involved in and that he's been in, and now we're going to have to see him inserted into Randy Orton, and drew McIntyre probably a one on one with Randy Orton at some point, and that's just brings back a lot of memories to a couple years ago where they had a line a really crap tastic matches. Let me tell you some. And my opinion the best thing that. Done this year is his match with Kevin Owens where there was no. Supernatural stupidity they went in there and they beat the hell out of each other through each other all over the ring and it was great and if Bray white work like that, I wouldn't have problem with him, but it's got to be all of the hocus pocus in the magic is a way valiant. He needs. He look at this point you mean value wasn't fighting for the world titles on a regular basis. Maine inventor but that's the problem is when you look at it initially with Jimmy Valiant, I know mould started feuding with Ivan Kolev is the House Humperdinck and then that went to Paul Jones and there was superstar Graham there was the assassin. There were these big guys historical guys that Jimmy Valiant was bumping up against in his battles and then it became Shasta Wassily the Zambia Express. That person a bunch, and then the bald headed geeks and that it was nonsense and that's frankly what white is he's a character. He's a wacky character and I don't want him anywhere near my title picture at this point he doesn't have good matches with people. He's better with smoke and mirrors, and if anybody could benefit from cinematic presentation him keep him out of the main Nixon things and make him just the. Tainted portion of your proceedings because. I just there are more people I think like me I don't hate the guy any of that stuff but on a regular basis, what he does doesn't work and I cringe when I start seeing a world title picture that they've done a pretty good job taking care of. So. There's a big discussion on our which channel right now, which DOT TV slash F for W video. The idea of if Disney but wwe, how long before they ran into the ground and my argument? Is there is no way. That Disney doing a job than Vince. At, of course, the argument here from some people on twitches have you seen the Star Wars prequels? Come okay. The worst. Star Wars Prequel Which I believe would be episode. One said jar with jar jar binks. Though worst prequel. Has, better. Storytelling. By miles. than any raw I have watched over the last God only knows how long. Okay. And incompetent at this point would you a better job booking robin? Vince McMahon he needs to go? He's got to go. You realize I know I'm going to hear this biasing again but who cares Tony Kahn as been doing this for a year? He was never even interesting before he started aws. Zero experience in wrestling whatsoever. And in terms of storytelling, whatever you think about the matches or this or that in terms of telling stories. And this by the way includes, I, can't tell if the young bucks or baby faces their heels and Dave can't forget Kenny Omega. Is a baby face or heel. But in general in terms of storytelling, he's killing Vince. A Guy with zero experience in the wrestling business. He was a fan. So you're gonNa tell me that Disney bought W E. They couldn't find one competent person to rate story storylines for me be, s? I promise you. They will do a better job than Vince. Because he'd have somebody actually wrote out like a storyline arc and maybe you will like all of the stories. But at least if you have a storyline arc at least, you're actually going to have stories. 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If he had no input whatsoever, I'm trying to find one person who I think might do a worse job. I can't find anybody. I know for sure I can see name after another that I promise you with all my heart's GonNa do better. And the thing is also and I will defend Vince. I, will I will give him one. Defense here. And that is that he is better than Vince. Russo. Some people would argue that, but let me tell you something. Okay. Vince issue is that he has no patience whatsoever and he forgets what he does. And he has no long term storytelling. These are all horrible things. Okay. But. When they did that De Q. and Helena sell. We're still talking about it because quite frankly. It's not something that you see every day. But What I watch those. Shows Vince Russo there was a Q. and A. Helen, his cell type scenario every single show. We had people counted out falls count anywhere. Match is I mean it was so frequent. Every week there was a new thing that I totally couldn't believe. It's not that bad with W. so vince at this point is still more competent and Vince Russo. But. That's like the only person that I can think of right now. Look at his book in New Japan Pro Wrestling Gadoe Like God bless, this is no disrespect to ghetto, but it's not like before ghetto became the booker he was like Okada or. Hiroshi tunnel. Hashi. I mean, he was a good solid worker that worked in different places and they decided like nobody else apparently wanted the job. and. They were like get will take it. Look at this guy on believable. because. It's not that hard everybody. I know that's GonNa make people mad. But why aren't you a Booker Bryant? Booker doing this. If. You're mad wired you doing a radio show. But the point is I've seen instance after instance, after instance of people very, very successful booking doing very, very simple stuff. Because basic storytelling isn't hard. It's hard when you make it hard and Vince makes it impossibly hard. Vince. There's nobody else on that roster they could have beaten in that far away last night, the Nikki Cross who you just give new music only one that even resembled a wrestler in that match. Yeah Yeah and you knew they were protecting Peyton Roy that seems to be a thing for them, and that's how they did it by putting Lana over in that completely ridiculous match. You Know Hector Hector Guards I keep doing that angel. Garza. The world's worst thorough. You know y you look I know Mrs a goofball comedy character here but you still gave this guy, the money in the bank briefcase only to have them go out there and get embarrassed by ruined. Then even worse than that. Though is John. Morrison whose like oblivious to ms just getting headbutted and lick them all buddy. Let's do our Scottish accent together and he gets elbowed. In the face and I just look at John. Moores and it's like why aren't John Morrison in that riddle feuding on the undercard with something awesome. Why what did we do? That was so bad that he's got to be saddled with this group that gets embarrassed and then a lot later on has got to cut of Redemption Promo about his his retribution it's just it's crazy and. Again Alexa Bliss, the things with Randy Orton and all that stuff. It's you know there's a lot of this. In one thing I've we. We didn't mention it last week and I should have because it stood out to me that they gave Jordan a cry on last week with his entire name when he went out there with Aj styles but you'll notice AJ styles I don't think ever mentioned his no does have name. Anymore he's associate. Well, that's the thing and he didn't mention it at all last week and that was like up the the the spidey senses tingling that, hey, he's not gonNA. Have a name for much longer, and then this week he comes out there and now he's just I guess capital t capital A. V. Associate and he's probably got a life of Mr. Hughes. Coming to him at least for a short period of time. Person here says it's so bizarre to Seattle Pearson Pat Buck out of nowhere acting GM's of raw and smackdown is what happens when you own eventually figures on these main Rosser shows even if they're played out for years I think it's so funny that okay as a Fan I now accepted that Adam peers is like the initial GM of Ron smackdown because that's what he's been doing for a few months now. Great. What is up with? Pat? Buck. I think they go to the ring and it's Adam peers and pat buck. Pat, Buck stands there and never says a word. Why was even out there. I don't care. No he didn't. What did he say? Here's did all the talking. No pure spoke first and then bucks said book did say one thing and that was in the whole time he was saying I can't remember what he said I just kept. Getting, beat up by by Jacks but that was a. but yeah, he did he did say one thing but it was relatively insignificant right? Well, that's the point it was insignificant. Why did it at a pure say that? I don't understand why Pat Buck is even out nothing against the guy got blessed the guy. I mean why we need a second GM that never says anything or does anything from that's the problem with them looking at everybody if they're interchangeable objects where it's like all the referees interchangeable now that we don't know if Jimmy Cordero's or this person or that person because now they're just all nameless faceless people and they do the same thing with the backstage announcers the time they don't give them crowns no they are, and then with this staff, we knew that before Vince McMahon had sargent slaughter he had. Briscoe. He had Patterson yet. This person he had that person we knew who the people were. Let us know we know Adam Pearce is a guy because Vince has you know coordinated him as a guy on smackdown when he said him into the fun house, we know Adams appears isn't authority figure who appears disciples? Where is Pat Buck? Who Was Jamie? Where's Jamie Noble? Let's actually get these people straighten I know it's a small thing but those small things add up and when things are horrible the big things are terrible. Those small things are. Even bigger spikes that are laid on the ground as you're trying to dodge all these other things. When you clean up all those small things, it starts to help the order of the other bigger things. You can still miss with on a guy you can still missing with on angle or something like that. But when all your other stuff actually has some. Sense in everything that's when you miss. You have a little bit of a cushion to fall on. That's where New Japan is successful. That's a w successful. It's where a lot of groups because they built this faith up with their fan base and their fans no, they're not being crapped on the stuff that they're watching is actually important might mean something later on. So survivor series, we've got three matches. Four matches. And they are all champion versus champion matches. And they're all. Heel vs heel or baby face versus baby face. We've got randy Orton versus Roman reigns to. Heels battling. We've got Bobby Lashley vs Sammy Zane to heels battling. We have Oscar versus Sasha. Banks to baby faces who by the way we've seen Russell a million times but. and St Profits will be facing the new day. To maybe face teams. That is the lineup at this point. For Survivor series thank God. There's no real fans in the building because. I can't imagine how they are or are not going to get behind a Roman reigns Randy Orton match or Bobby Lashley vs Sammy's Zane. And granted they can change any of these titles prior to them. So you know Daniel Bryan could beat Sammy's alien and then Daniel Bryan and Bobby Lashley, which would be a far superior match in terms of actual crowd reactions. I mean, Sammy's aims a great worker, but it's heel versus heel. I guess technically bobby. Lashley kind of baby face now. But that's the light of survivor series everybody. How about how Naomi joining the hurt business to be the one that lay waste to medium. I mean there's there's plenty of things you can do but I don't expect them to do. Much different between ounce survivor series. I could be wrong. Why is a Yelm? Even in retribution is person ask I have no idea that AIDS somebody seizure to distract people during the match that was her role last night? At exceeds person says not involved in the draft annex t barely involved in the rumble annex t definitely not involved in survivor series. After they won last year they actually one survivor series last year Steph here. They're not even in it stop lamenting this people with the way things are going right now. Do you WanNa see anybody there the last thing I want to see anybody? I've seen people in on the main roster right now one of them is keithly. No. Thank you. I'm good with this. Let them do whatever it is that they're doing what concentrate on itself let the two things not me come on. Person, year says retribution done dead buried. Doing Denver's hurt business again, it a four versus four elimination match three weeks before survivor series was the most ridiculous thing that they could possibly do. Eventually doesn't care that he killed five annex. T tells the snap of his fingers have you watched the show? Name antics talent that he hasn't killed I guess. I guess we got Oscar. And McIntyre. And Charlotte. Right I guess I. Guess Roman reigns. So has there been anybody since drew McIntyre got called up that they have not killed. Pop Quiz everybody. Anybody. Since drew McIntyre that they've called up from exceeded they have not killed. Can I have a caveat to that? Maybe he hasn't killed them, but if they're sitting on life support right now. Look Matt Riddle technically is not dead, but you know you see the conveyor belts going. Right, what's person after say retribution such big ix that Slap Jack needed assistance for me a Yelm to eliminate MVP with a cradle and Tibor had to get sacrificed for them to get rid of the unbeatable Bobby Lashley Vijay double count out. Yes that they have I look. Here's the one thing 'cause I'm Bobby Lashley Fan I think he you have to be careful with Lashley because of his promos skills and things like that. He his last couple of years because of the way things have gone, they have kept him protected him pretty well, you know the the days of Sammy's aimed and the sisters and all that stuff which unfortunately got brought up yesterday they've done a really good job in the last let's say eighteen months or so whatever it's been he rarely. Loses he's rarely in a position of weakness and they did get him Mvp I love that group I think they're awesome together I think they need to cool it with beaten up people backstage that you can have them between irs and not do that sort of thing you have enough you know pricks in that organization the hurt business should be about business they will have to be nice guys but they should be about business and that's been one of the things they've been able to do is keep Lashley a really good position. I Love Bobby. Lashley. But you realize that he headline Wrestlemainia in two thousand and eight. Oh. Look that look two things can be true. Brian not only are they. Can they be protecting him but they cannot build up other guys to take his place, which is one of the biggest problems all up and down that roster. Obviously. has some of us are applying to the original question not the one where Brian moved the goal posts halfway through the conversation which one is that what I moved the goalposts on. Asking who got called up from sixty that wasn't buried and we've we've ended at drew McIntyre a couple of years ago. When we talk about here I don't know if you could be a lot of things where you move goalposts Espersen notes we ballard, but then he went back to Annex T. Man. They haven't killed the street profits yet. Street has this person got the street province. Okay. We got that one. All right. So the street profits so far have been. Well protected so I guess that's the most recent. They have not destroyed. Should mention that we have got A. Kenny Omega. Super Heavy Mega weight title coming up. Triple meaning December, he'll be defending against Laredo kid. With more observer light. 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