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Steven Stayner Pt. 2: Growing Up Dennis

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Steven Stayner Pt. 2: Growing Up Dennis

"This episode features discussion of kidnapping violence and child sexual assault that some people may find offensive listener discretion is strongly advised allies especially for children under thirteen. It had been a good day for stephen steiner. His kidnapper kenneth parnell had been gone on all morning and seven year old stephen had been able to spend a pleasant day reading comic books with a nice man he knew as uncle murph suddenly the cabin door swung open in mocked cornell a puppy and his arms stephen love dogs he was thrilled when parnell presented him with a puppy <music> as his very own pinal sat down pulling the boy onto his lap. He had something important to tell steven. He said the reason he'd been gone. All day. He explained was that he'd been in court. Stevens parents couldn't afford to take care of him anymore and no longer longer wanted him. They'd given parnell full custody meaning that parnell was now officially his dad stevens heart heart sank but he believed it every word and for the next seven years that belief would keep him tethered to parnell through endless abuse and assault parnell may have been cruel to stephen but he was the only one willing to take him so this is hostage apar- cast original every a week we tell the stories behind the most captivating hostage situations and the people inside them. We'll also cover. These psychological tactics used in kidnapping situations with the human brain does when held captive. I'm irma blanco quarter roy. You can listen to all of our casts shows on spotify spotify or anywhere you listen to podcasts new episodes of hostage come out every thursday. This is our final episode on the kidnapping of stevens steiner by kenneth breath parnell from merced california on december fourth nineteen seventy-two last week. We looked at stevens diner and kenneth parnell's backgrounds and examine. I'm in the events immediately. Surrounding stevens kidnapping this week we'll dig into stevens seven years as parnell's captive and the psychological struggles faced as a victim of abuse. We'll look at why despite relative freedom he never tried to escape and what finally pushed him over the edge. We'll also track the work done by his parents and the authorities to try to find him over the years at park asked where grateful for you our listeners hugh allow us to do what we love. Let us know howard deering reach out on facebook and instagram at our cast in twitter podcast network and if you enjoy today's episode would the best way to help us is to leave a five star review. Wherever you are listening it really does help we also now have merchandise head to podcast dot com slash merch hurt for more information seven year old. Stephen steiner didn't think he was doing anything wrong by accepting accepting a ride home from school on a rainy afternoon in early december nineteen seventy two but within seconds he realized that the forty one year old man driving the car wasn't taking him home. Stephen spent the next week in kenneth parnell's employee housing in yosemite national park where parnell worked as an overnight bookkeeper at the main lodge stephen wasn't allowed out of parnell's room and the dorms parnell would bring him food booed and forced the boy to use a bucket rather than walk down the hall to the bathroom at night. He gave the boy sleeping pills before heading out to a shift in the hotel. When parnell couldn't be in the room he'd forced murph the man he coerced into helping with the kidnapping to keep an eye on steven steven like like murph the two of them read comic books together and merv would bring the boy treats whenever we could in the years following both stephen and murph maintained taint that murph never had any idea that parnell sexually assaulted stephen and murph later claimed that because stephen never tried to escape deep he must have been happy where he was was not overly intelligent and probably had no idea that parnell was sedating stephen with sleeping pills and stephen for his part never thought to ask murph for help on december eleventh nineteen seventy two parnell cornell took murph and stephen to his cabin in nearby kathy's valley and then continued on by himself to bakersfield one hundred sixty miles south to ask his mother for money on route he spotted the missing posters that stevens family and local law enforcement had plastered all over town the posters included stevens full name birthdate and physical description including his hair color and length parnell's mother had no idea about stephen but she almost always gave her son money when he asked for it on this occasion she also gave him a puppy from her dogs new litter when parnell return to the cabin that night he gifted the dog to his seven-year-old captive steven was overwhelmed with gratitude thrilled to have a new companion and named the dog queenie but when parnell explain that stephen was now going to be his son and would be called dennis stephen. I started to cry scared and confused. He protested that his family needed him but parnell told him they didn't need him or want him and that they couldn't afford him anymore. Remembering his family's financial troubles from a few years earlier stephen believed him the next day parnell started to make plans he returned to yosemite to drop off murph and to quit his job then he and stephen or dennis as he was now no known return to the cabin in kathy's valley where he cut the boy's hair indicted dark brown in preparation for their new life. He traded in his car. Just in case someone might recognize his white buick from the abduction and then two weeks into stevens captivity a new life as dennis. This parnell sexually assaulted the seven year old for the first time scared child had no idea what was going on but he knew that he didn't unlike it. He also knew that parnell didn't care and would hurt him. If he fought back shortly thereafter parnell found out that his captains grandfather father lived in the neighboring trailer park spooked he put his plans into motion on december eighteenth nineteen seventy-two he his new son son dennis in their dog queenie drove out of kathy's valley and headed two hundred miles north west to the quiet city of santa rosa into noma the county during the two weeks that parnell kept stephen in yosemite and kathy's valley law enforcement and the steiner family or scouring scouring were said county for the boy all registered sex offenders in the surrounding area were investigated and psychics were consulted the f._b._i. I asked the head of law enforcement at yosemite national park for help. Although for unknown reasons the parks rangers weren't very cooperative with the bureau <unk> by christmas with parnell and his new son in santa rosa. The trail head started to cool the steiner family was bereft but they refused to give up mailing missing posters to school districts around california police continue to investigate and follow leads. They were starting to lose hope according to former research fellow in the f._b._i. Behavioral science unit brianna fox the first forty eight hours after a person's disappearance are crucial because witnesses memories are fresh and information is most likely to be accurate and useful the trail can go cold after that making it much harder to find missing person alive criminology professor michelle giannis adds that child abductors doctors also often murder their victims within hours making those investigations especially urgent kenneth and stephen would spend nearly two and a half years in santa rosa. Stephen started a new school in january nineteen. Seventy-three after christmas break parnell l. had coached him on a family backstory that hewed closely to the truth. The boy told people that he was from the yosemite area that his parents were separated and his mom still lives there with his other siblings. Stephen attended several schools and santa rosa as the two moved regularly between motels and trailer alert parks around town while arnelle struggled to hold down work but none of those schools ever inquired about stevens school records from any of the schools parnell said he'd attended in fact no-one in santa rosa ever suspected that kenneth and stephen were anything other than father and son everyone who knew them said they seem to genuinely care for each other and behaved like a normal family in fact stephen only rebelled eld once in the spring of nineteen seventy-three having moved schools twice he was angry scared traumatized by regular sexual all assault and so one night not long after his eighth birthday he waited until parnell was asleep and snuck out of their trailer who was going to make his way back and his real family but he quickly became disoriented on the santa rosa streets and started to panic the terrified crying ryan child wandered around until he found his way back to the trailer with par now none the wiser stephen finally realized that he was completely independent on parnell for his survival as far as he could tell he had no choice but to settle into his new life and new identity though the eight year old had no way of knowing this hornell had engineered of set of circumstances that would keep his captive from leaving according according to developmental psychologist amy j. l. baker if the abductor can get his captive entirely under his control it puts the captive in an almost infantile state of dependency as a result. The captor becomes a sort of attachment figure upon whom the captive relies for everything in their life especially for child abduction and sexual abuse victims. This kind of psychological manipulation can result in victims not realizing for years that escape is even a viable option additionally by giving the boy a new name and identity kenneth parnell likely accelerated elevated a form of dissociate of disorder in the eight year old according to dr tina joe walsh people who are sexually traumatized often psychologically ecologically leave their bodies as a coping mechanism but the long term effects often include a dissociate of disorder which can create multiple identities within within the victim in this particular case. Stephen steiner seems to have been able to disappear into the new identity of dennis parnell in order to cope hope with trauma of the kidnapping and sexual abuse things started to get better that fall stephen started third grade he and parnell had settled into a good enough life where parnell would spoil him and buy him anything he wanted and steven made a new friend at school whose family lived nearby kenny matthias he started spend lots of time at kenny's house and before long parnell had become friends with kenny's parents bob and barbara brought the big family hang outs with all kennedy siblings for bittersweet as they reminded stephen of the steiner's big family stephen even was worried about losing that sense of family in november when parnell was able to move them out of the trailer and into a house in a different neighborhood steven had his own room and the yard was big enough for their dog queenie to run around while he climbed trees. Stephen again had to change schools but he was fortunately still title able to spend lots of time with matthias family but the good times were short-lived by march nineteen seventy four hornell had lost his job and the two were forced to move from motel to motel to make matters worse. Kenny's dad bob was an increasingly violent alcoholic who had taken to regularly beating up his wife barbara. Why the spring barbara had left her family and moved into the same motel. All has parnell in stephen before long parnell and barbara had developed a flirtation and parnell asked her to move in with him into are there motel room with one double bed. Stephen felt weird about the whole thing considering. She was his best friend's mom but then one night parnell barbara came back drunk to the room where stephen was watching television. 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Follow medical mysteries for free on spotify and wherever you get your podcasts or visit podcast dot com slash medical nicole mysteries to listen now and be sure to stick around after our show to hear a clip of the first episode of medical mysteries and camelback to the story in the spring of nineteen seventy four thirty two year old kenneth parnell and nine year old stephen steiner we're living in a motel along with barbara mathias the mother of stevens best friend parnell and barbara had started dating which initially took parnell's els unwanted attention away from stephen until one night that spring when parnell asked him to join in hornell then proceeded did to encourage barbara to assault the third grader whom she believed to be parnell son while parnell watched while barbara claimed leaned. This was all done at cornell's urging. She apparently never saw any issue with it that summer. In late june nineteen seventy four dr parnell bought a trailer in different trailer park and the three moved in as a family for the first several months they all shared one double double bed and according to later testimony barbara and parnell sexually assaulted stephen together eight times or the fall though cornell cornell had built stephen his own bed in the trailer and the boys home situation started to improve parnell didn't assault stephen anymore apart from a few times when barbara wasn't around around the same time stevens started to become a bit of pyromaniac lighting matches in the fields surroundings santa rosa having i gotten in trouble with the law is a teenager for the very same thing. Par nell came down hard in fact. There's is reason to believe that the pyro mania both exhibited was instigated by the sexual assault according to neuroscientist and author our douglas fields yield's fire setting behavior is associated with animal cruelty in juveniles the other statistically significant risk factors being male gender and the victim of sexual abuse shortly thereafter during stephen's winter break in december nineteen seventy seventy four parnell tried for the first time to enlist his purported son to help him find another boy to kidnap hornell on-drove stephen to a mall parking lot where he watched one boy for fifteen or twenty minutes sure that the boy was on his own are now ordered steven. Go talk to the kid and try to get him to come back to the car uncomfortable with the whole situation. Stephen approached the other boy and asked him an unrelated it question then he returned to parnell and said the boy had wanted to come back with him on parnell didn't get upset instead. He just insisted wasted. They wait around and find another boy. According to stevens later testimony they spent two hours in the parking lot scoping out boys and trying trying to coerce them into the car a few months later in spring nineteen seventy five after stevens tenth birthday hornell l. tried again he had signed stephen up at the santa rosa boys club ostensibly so that he could participate in after school and weekend activities peace one day when he and barbara came to pick stephen up cornell told barbara to go get a specific boy to come to the car and barbara did ed but as he followed her to the car. The boy got nervous and changed his mind. Suddenly parnell panicked shouting at barbara to get in the car. He quickly quickly drove off with. Only stephen and barbara in the car. Cornell was spoofed worried. Someone had noticed could identify them and so a few days later <music> on may twelfth nineteen seventy five he pulled stephen out of school and again up ended the boy's life stephen hit the road with his to sexual abusers users anxiously imagining what new horrors awaited him at their destination kenneth parnell relocated his makeshift family eighty miles els north of santa rosa to town of willits in mendocino county but when parnell couldn't find a job they moved again a month later this time time to fort bragg on the pacific coast there parnell and barbara decided to open the fort bragg bible bookstore using money from his mother that summer stephen started to act out even more he again got caught playing with matches in the fields and forests of rural fort bragg and again parnell lectured and spanked him a couple months later stephen and a friend were caught shoplifting toys from a store and the manager manager called the police somehow the police never figured out that stephen wasn't actually parnell son and steven was too scared of being in troubled even consider telling them he'd been kidnapped after all he still believed his real parents had given parnell custody by next spring in nineteen seventy six the fort bragg bible bookstore was failing and barbara's divorce was finalized her four kids including stevens close friend kenny suddenly moved in with them and fort bragg. Their trailer wasn't big enough for seven so parnell bought an old school bus us and converted it into a home for the newly expanded family in the nearby fishing village of noyo. Despite the evidence stress on parnell barbara's abbas relationship stephen was thrilled with his new housemates his friend kenny was now practically his brother and the two eleven year old boys had free rein to explore explore the rugged outdoors and coastline around town can he didn't like the new arrangements quite as much during the several months. They all live together par nell. L. tried to sexually assault. Kenny unlike stephen kenny fought back and later told stephen his father had done stephen even embarrassed that the truth about his relationship with parnell might come out ignored his friends story and hope the situation would go away and indeed it did in june nineteen seventy six barbara met someone else and moved her family out of cornell school bus but stevens relief at both barbara's departure and the resolution of kenny's accusation was short lived almost as soon as barbara was gone on parnell began assaulting the now eleven year old boy again despite the fresh trauma other parts of his life continued to look up that summer parnell relocated them again this time they moved thirty miles south to the tiny rural town of kaci where he'd gotten a bookkeeping job for the first time in several years steven had his own room and he loved it. The two hundred person village was rustic in rural and stephen and his dog queenie had hundreds of acres of wilderness to explore as he in parnell settled in they cultivated a vegetable garden a. and raised animals like chickens and pigs by the time stephen started sixth grade that fall they'd already been integrated into the small community and quickly he made lots of friends his age while he got into a little bit of trouble smoking both pot and cigarettes for the most part stephen had a semi happy life hyphen comedy it was the first time he'd had stability and community since parnell had kidnapped him from recess and if he could compartmentalize he could could almost ignore the still regular assaults from his otherwise doting quote father indeed stephen was so happy with his life and com armchair that the following spring in nineteen seventy seven when his sixth grade class took a four day trip to san francisco. It never occurred to him to to try to run away. He was having too much fun with his friends and enjoying exploring a new place in fact the other parents in the county area. You were surprised by just how permissive apparent parnell was mendocino county was generally considered a bit of a hippie live and let live area but even by their standards parnell was a relaxed parent. He seemed to let us do whatever he wanted and go. Wherever he wanted. Has stephen even got a bit older parnell even bought the kids cigarettes and beer when money was good parnell was especially generous buying extravagant gifts gifts for christmas including a motorbike stevens relationship with parnell had shifted he still needed cornell to provide for and take care of him but he'd also come to appreciate much of the lifestyle that parnell had given him he would later talk about how he wrestled with diametrically opposed feelings potentially due to associated disorder he cared about parnell and fell to mentally grateful to his kidnapper for taking care of him. I'm and giving him a nice life but he also hated and feared him with stephen both physically and psychologically dependent upon him parnell still continued to look for other boys to control. He tried several times to molest kenny matthias when the boy came to visit and in spring nineteen seventy-nine sexually assaulted kenny's younger brother loyd both kenny and lloyd told their mom barbara who call call the police and fortunately the police didn't believe her and never followed up cornell continued to use stephen to try to find other victims he would regularly tell stephen to invite specific friends for sleepovers and then sometimes send stephen away for the night in one case parnell. L. got stephen and his friend drunk on beer and then took nude photographs of them in another case parnell took it a step further by ordering stevens naked. He could friend into his bedroom. The boy managed to escape before are now assaulted him. When this sort of thing happened stephen just hid in the the other room feeling guilty. He later told journalist mike echols. I just kind of figured that if he was having sex with him he wouldn't be having sex with me on the other hand. He protected his best friend. Damon carol and stephen met and became instantly inseparable during the summer of nineteen seventy seven when they were twelve years old damon said that while stephen told him several times that he used to have another family in mercer said that that he'd been taken from he never had any idea that parnell sexually abused even when he learned about the abuse years later he realized why stephen even had never left him alone with parnell as stephen got older he started to let the long buried truth about his past slip out. I in seventh grade damon told their teacher that stephen had been taken from his parents when he was little the teacher wasn't doesn't sure what to believe as the admission came immediately after the class had discussed an article about missing children a year later in spring nineteen seventy eight when stephen was thirteen he got drunk and high at a party with some older kids and according to several them started crying and telling everyone he wanted to go home and he didn't mean to par nells none of the other kids knew what to do and after the fact stephen and denied having said anything about it back in march said the steiner's would have appreciated any of these tidbits they had no way of knowing that most the flyers they diligently mailed out to california school districts had never been distributed in fact they'd heard nothing since stephen in had disappeared del often said that if he just knew his son was dead then he'd be able to have a funeral and move on but not knowing tortured him and he withdrew from his four other children and his wife leaving k- to keep the family together and their hope alive as stephen even started to get more restless so did parnell by early nineteen seventy-nine stephen was nearly fourteen and becoming a teenager he was moodier and less easily controlled. He kept getting caught playing with matches and lighter grass on fire and parnell was no longer as interested unhinged. Sexually cornell still tried to use stephen to attract other boys even going so far as to offer to pay one of stephen's friends ten-year-old cousins thousands but it didn't work and so parnell decided to make a new plan on july eighth nineteen seventy-nine two tourists accidentally discovered the remains of two young teenagers in mendocino county forest within days. The story was in the local papers and the talk of mendocino's small communities a few days later without warning cornell picked up sticks and moved himself stephen their dog queenie and all their farm animals fifty miles south of comedy to the even more remote mountain view ranch set along winding roads through rugged coastline coastline twelve miles from the closest town. The ranch was four thousand four hundred acres of mostly wilderness. It's worth noting noting that despite the suspicious timing of the move d._n._a. Testing in two thousand sixteen showed the remains to be those of two girls aged fourteen gene and fifteen considering parnell's history. It seems unlikely that he had anything to do with their disappearance and murder however the suspicious officious nature of the move has led investigators to speculate that parnell was concerned about the discovery of young teenagers bodies in mendocino county either way their new home mountain view ranch was owned by a few local brothers who gossip suggested had marijuana operation growing up there there and needed someone to guard it when parnell had heard about the caretaker's cabin and free living situation he jumped at the chance fourteen year old stephen wasn't so pleased after three stable relatively happy years and comedy surrounded by his friends in community he found himself isolated and once again alone with parnell in a tiny space. They're comfortable home had been replaced by a cabin with with no electricity and instead of bathroom an outhouse to make matters even worse. It was almost impossible for stephen to get to school. Parnell got a new job at the palace hotel in yucaipa forty miles inland while stephen school mendocino high in the city of mendocino was more within thirty miles to the north not fall parnell would drop the freshman off in town on his way to work from there the boy hitchhike to the school. Thus stephen was set on joining the freshman football team at mendocino high. He made the starting lineup and parnell came to games whenever he he could but after football season parnell couldn't be bothered to drive out of his way every day so stephen transferred to the closer point arena a high school that didn't solve steven's problem though the closest place the school bus stopped was nine miles down the hill from their ranch nine nine miles that a fourteen year old wasn't always inclined to walk in the miserable winter weather that swept along the mendocino county coastline already resentful fall of having to leave his friends. Stephen played hooky nearly a third of the time as stephen parnell's relationship deteriorated parnell l. stepped up his efforts to find another younger son he started to bring up the idea of kidnapping a boy from santa rosa but stephen tried to ignore or rebuff him so cornell started to look for a different co conspirator and fortunately stephen brought one into their home in a moment arnelle enlist the help of stevens friend in kidnapping another son now back to the story by late nineteen seventy nine fourteen year old stephen had developed an acquaintance with a former classmate named sean cormon. Shaw shaw was friends with some of stephen's kaci friends and was generally considered a bit of a troublemaker. He was a small time drug dealer who regularly skipped school got in trouble with the law and was a bit of a bully and ringleader in november nineteen seventy-nine parnell met sean for the first time time but the teenagers reputation preceded him forty eight year old carnell he immediately enlisted teenage sean to help him sell some pot that he had stolen from the ranch schon agreed but thought parnell was a bit weird and ultimately smoked more than he sold but as the to got to know each the other are now realized he could control and use the teenager before long he told sean a similar story to the one he told murph seven years years prior. He admitted sean that he kidnapped stephen and said that he now wanted another son again. He said he wanted to take ak- little boy who had a bad family life. Perhaps a kid whose parents didn't want him anymore. Parnell had whole plan and he even offered to pay sean to help him carry it out right down to buying the sleeping pills they give the little boy sean strangely didn't seem phased by the whole thing but he ultimately took the sleeping pills himself and spent the money parnell gave him without making any moves to kidnap anyone that winter ornella cornell got increasingly restless frustrated with shaun's lack of action he also stepped up his efforts to find another kid he drove stephen even to santa rosa to hang out in mall parking lots and scope out possible targets just as they had in nineteen seventy five but nothing panned out art simultaneously parnell started to rag on stephen who was clearly reluctant to help him. He called the sullen teenager useless. Send worthless attempting to guilt stephen after all these years of taking care of him by february though arnelle had found what he was looking for he took sean and steven into yucaipa on several reconnaissance trips in order to follow a small to- headed five year old boy he'd spotted a few days prior sean didn't seem to care much but stephen felt himself getting angrier and angrier at the prospect of parnell kidnapping someone else but he also felt completely powerless he was still psychologically and physically dependent upon parnell l. and didn't see any way to stop what now seemed inevitable as upset as he was. Stephen had no idea that parnell's plan extended extended beyond the kidnapping in his book. I know my first name is steven. Mike echols writes that parnell had already dug a grave the redwood forests once his new victim had been secured parnell would murder stephen and bury them in the middle of nowhere then then parnell would take his new son across the country to a cabin in arkansas he'd purchased sight unseen the previous year on the afternoon of february thirteenth nineteen eighty forty eight year old kenneth parnell picked up fourteen year old sean paul newman at school living his own supposed son steven to get back to their remote ranch in rural mendocino county on his own when stephen finally got home sean on and parnell were drinking whiskey and parnell immediately started insulting steven for being worthless and unwilling to help his father steven even got upset he'd been living with parnell for more than seven years and until recently they'd had a pretty good father son relationship despite despite the fact that parnell also sexually abused him parnell had doted on him and cared about him. Those days seem to be ending at eleven p._m. Hornell headed into the town of yucai app an hour away for his night shift at the palace hotel and he took sean john within claiming the two of them had to pick up a box spring from a garage sale the next morning but they all knew are now was planning to kidnap a little boy oy been surveilling the last couple of weeks while parnell worked his shift as the overnight desk clerk sean watched movies and slept in the lobby at six six thirty a m arnelle sent the teenager out for coffee and donuts at a._d._m. When his shift ended he took sean mcdonald's for for breakfast and to finalize their plans parnell wanted sean to get the boy into the car and then give him sleeping pills to be washed down with orange juice then he insisted sean had to cover the five year old with a blanket until they got out of town at eight thirty a._m. On valentine's day nineteen eighty the two drove by the town's yo k._o. Elementary school but they didn't see the boy they were looking for so they spent the next few hours at thrift stores picking up new clothes for the kid. They even popped into a pharmacy to pick up more sleeping pills mar the time i am. The kindergarteners got out of school at eleven thirty a._m. Cornell and sean were in position cornell drove around as the little kids started to walk home until they saw the blonde five-year-old they'd been watching a boy named timmy white when parnell saw timmy wave goodbye hi to a friend and continue on his own he pulled to a stop just around the corner sean got out of the car and pretended to be checking the back tire tire but timmy was less credulous than stephen steiner had been at age seven when sean asked him to hold something for him as he fixed tire the five year old refused and kept walking sean assuming that was it gave up but parnell wasn't done he started shouting and swearing swearing at sean telling him to grab the kid timmy started to run but sean quickly caught up to him and grabbed the boy within seconds. The screaming child was in the back seat of parnell's car a blanket over as they sped out of town sean gave timmy the sleeping pill and juice <music> as ordered and the boy passed out that afternoon parnell uncharacteristically went to pick stephen up at school. When stephen got in the car he saw the sleeping five year old in the back seat. He didn't say anything to parnell the whole way home. Although his insights rides began to fill with anger and dread that evening parnell doted on timmy letting him rest on stevens bed and giving him stevens stevens toys to play with he let timmy complain about the food he served without punishment and steven despite everything started to get jealous ellis the attention the man he considered his father was lavishing on this new boy the next day our nell died and cut timmy's hair just as he done with stephen steiner he even told timmy the same lie that his parents couldn't afford him anymore and didn't want him. He made aid to me sleep with him at night. The timmy always maintained that parnell never sexually assaulted him for stephen. The experience was triggering being at times he felt like are now was taunting him reminding him of his own kidnapping experience but he also began to realize the parnell was going to do the exact same thing to timmy that he'd done to him. Stephen thought that maybe it was too late for him but he didn't want that. Tiny five year old to have to endure the same traumatic experience he'd had within days stevens started carrying his throwing throwing knife and staying home from school with timmy hoping to protect a little boy should parnell attempt to assault him he took timmy with him to explore the ranch ranch and the two quickly bonded stephen told timmy that our nell had taken him from his family to and timmy not fully understanding ending. The situation begged stephen to take him home. Perhaps it was the reminders of his own kidnapping and life before parnell or perhaps it was jealousy triggered by his psychological attachment are now but for the first time stephen decided to disobey his kidnapper kidnapper. He agreed to take timmy home. Stephen figured the best way to get the little boy home would be at night while parnell was is it work and so one night the two boys set out along the winding mountain roads but the pouring rain got the better of them before they were able to hitch a ride and stephen had to carry the complaining five year old back to the ranch he tried several nights in a row but the miserable weather rather beat them each time finally on the night of march first nineteen eighty cornell headed off to work a little early for his first first shift at his new job as the overnight security guard at the palace hotel and you kaya stephen watch the car disappear down the road an him he intimidate a quick dinner of sandwiches and dressed for the cold and windy weather. The two boys set out into the night. Stephen set a quick pace hoping to make good time before the cold got the better of them. At least it wasn't raining. They hadn't been walking from more than half a mile l. When they spotted headlights behind them stevens heart leapt to his throat but he reminded himself that it couldn't be are now coming from that direction. They stuck his hand out to hail the car. The car stopped for them and stephen realized that the driver only spoke spanish but they were able to communicate indicate that they were two brothers heading home to ukiah. Luckily it turned out that the driver was heading there to to me sat on stevens lap terrified as the car wound along the dark twisty roads in the five year olds mind getting a ride with a stranger meant he might be <music> getting kidnapped again and his only consolation was that stephen was there to an hour later they pulled into ukiah and stevens suddenly realized he had no plan. He'd been so focused on getting them here that he didn't know where to go or what to do. Luckily timmy realized they were near his baby sitters house and whispered to stephen that he wanted to go there so the driver let them out but when they got to the the house during his home as they started to wander timmy realized he had no idea where he was a new idea how to get back whose parents taus stephen decided there was only one of their option the police station but that required that they walk doc right past the palace hotel where parnell was working. Stephen steeled himself. He had his bowie knife in his boot though he didn't. I didn't know if he could use it. On the man he considered his father. Their best hope was just to move quickly. Stephen lead timmy purposefully past the hotel and across the street and within minutes just after eleven pm they were at the police station parking lot out of sight of the hotel after all his years of not going to the police. Stephen still knew what timmy had to do. He told the five year old to go into the police station and tell the policemen his name. Timmy was scared to leave him but stephen promised him that it'd be okay. Timmy made it all the way to the front door opened it and then panicked he turned and ran back across the parking lot towards stephen who was already walking away inside the police station. A patrol officer had seen timmy come to the door. It was strange enough to see a kid of the station chen this late at night for him to suddenly turn and run away toward another kid was even weirder he radio to see if any cars were in the area. You could try to intercept the two boys. A patrol car caught up to steven and timmy within seconds. Stephen told the police officers sarah that the little boy was timmy white the missing five year old. They'd spent the last two weeks in search of when the officer s stephen even who he was. He admitted that he was stephen steiner and that he'd been taken from her said seven years ago it felt weird to say his own name allowed and with it came a huge weight that seemed to lift off stevens chest. The police spent the next few hours trying to get steven to tell them who the boy's kidnapper was but he refused he may have been able to tell the police the truth about himself but he was still psychologically dependent upon parnell he later explained that he felt grateful to parnell for having taken care of him for seven years and that turning him in felt like a betrayal after several hours the police managed to get steven to give them enough information to arrest arrest parnell at the palace hotel before his shift ended stephen steiner's seven year ordeal was finally over stevens reintegration into his family wasn't easy and he found it hard to acclimate to his life back and and mercedes after years of being given free rein and being allowed to smoke and drink he chafed against dell and case strict parenting style gal and for their part del cais barely recognize their sweet and friendly seven year old in the moody teenager who had come home but the steiner's were so thrilled to have stephen back that they didn't care their unwavering hope that he might still be alive had paid off. K. cooked all all his favorite childhood meals del showed them where they hadn't painted over the scribbles he done on the side of the garage and his siblings brought him up to speed on all the family family activities from the last seven years in the years to come stephen and his parents became advocates for child abduction victims and their families families stephen also enjoyed advising on t._v. movie about his story and hoped that publicizing it might help other kidnap kids realized realized that they too could escape it also helps to be able to have an outlet to talk about his experience which he didn't seem to have anywhere else else as traditional latter-day saints dell in k. refused to allow stephen to go to therapy and stephen almost never discussed the sexual abuse he experienced indeed it took the police investigators months to get him to even admit that it had happened and even then he only admitted did after being presented with a naked photos parnell had taken him part of the reason behind that was the victim blaming culture that was prevalent then then as it had been when parnell himself had been sexually assaulted in the nineteen forties additionally homophobia was especially prevalent in the nineteen seventies indies and eighties and doubly so in the l. d. s. community both steven's lawyers and his parents were paranoid about having his sexual assault by an older older man mentioned in public out of fear that he would be seen as damaged goods for years stephen continued to struggle with his feelings toward parnell. He couldn't reconcile his gratitude with his anger and hatred. He wanted to be able to talk to our nelin person but his parents is refused. Unfortunately stephen never had the chance to work through his trauma. As soon as he got his driver's license since he started buying fancy cars and then proceeded to wreck them much in the way that parnell had done when he stole cars as a teenager he he drank heavily and continued to smoke pot and made a point of sleeping around he got married in one thousand nine hundred five at age twenty and quickly had two kids and then in september nineteen eighty nine. Stephen was in a fatal motorcycle accident. He died at the age of twenty four barely ten years after his escape from parnell his family has done their best to honor his memory by continuing to speak out for victims uh-huh of kidnapping and abuse it took seventeen years but ultimately stevens kidnapping was the thing that killed him. Thanks again again for tuning in to hostage. We will be back next thursday with a new episode for more information on the stephen steiner kidnapping we found i know my first name is steven bye. Mike echols to be a fantastic resource in addition to the many sources used in the creation of this episode. You can find more episodes of hostage as well as all of our casts other shows on spotify or anywhere else you listen to podcasts serve review have asked tau to help us if you enjoy the show. The best way to help is to leave a five star review and don't forget to follow us on facebook and instagram at par cast and twitter at podcast network. We'll see you next time in the meantime. Don't take your freedom for granted. Hostage was created by max. Ax cutler is a production of cutler media and is part of the par cast network. It is produced by maxon ron cutler sound design by andy weights with production production assistance by ron shapiro and paul moller additional production assistance by maggie admire and carleen madden. This episode of hostage was written by kate thornton in stars irma blanco and car roy now that the episode is over. Here's the clip of the first episode so to the podcast original medical mysteries about joseph merrick a man with severe deformities who was first exhibited at a freak show as the elephant man follow medical mysteries for free on spotify and wherever you get your podcasts or visit podcast dot com slash medical mysteries to listen jason how cold monday morning november eighteen eighty four a canvas banner was unfurled over a shop window on whitechapel road in london. The crude painting showed a humanoid it creature with an elephant's trunk rampaging through the jungle. It was monstrous unfathomable. It was the elephant man half a man and half an elephant. A top headed showman barked at the doctors and students trailing into the london hospital right across the street for just two pence. They could see the specimen for themselves but ladies in delicate health were advised is not to step inside the elephant. Man's condition could be quite a shock as the man led the curious spectators in he he warned them ladies and gentlemen brace yourselves to witness one who is probably the most remarkable human being ever to draw the breath of life and then he pulled back the curtain standing on the small stage was a horribly disfigured man covered in folds of drooping lumpy skin. His right arm was twice as big as the left ending ending in a massive finn like hand his feet were oversized flat and wrinkled like an elephants his head it was bizarre lee distorted and covered in hard tumors a bony mass protruded from his upper lip and buried behind nine the swollen misshapen brow or a pair of brown eyes gentle bright and unmistakably human imagine sitting across the desk from your doctor. The splashy x x rays in our eyes are clipped on the wall. The test results are in a manila folder tilted. Just out of your line of sight questions are already already forming in your mind. Is it serious. What's my chance of recovery. Will my insurance pay for this. Imagine your doctor looking you in the yeah i in saying. We don't know when our bodies fail. We trust doctors to diagnose the problem but medicine isn't always an exact exact science. Sometimes it's a guessing game with life or death stakes. This is medical mysteries apar- park cast original. I mali and i'm richard. Every tuesday will look at the strangest real life medical cases in history and the experts who raced against the clock to solve them as we follow these high intensity stories. We'll explore medical research that might solve the puzzle next tweak in part two will analyze all the evidence and try to find an answer you can find episodes of medical mysteries and all other park has two originals for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts. This is our first episode on joseph carey merrick who became well known as the elephant batman in the eighteen eighties. This week will explore the development of merrick's baffling condition and his doctors attempts to diagnose it next week we'll look at his improbable rise to fame in london high society and the research that might have finally explained his illness <music> today according to the c._d._c. about three percent of all newborns auburn's are born with congenital disorders commonly known as birth defects. This can include anything from cleft palates to heart malformations. Since two extra fingers or toes congenital disorders were just as common in the late nineteenth century as they are today but the elephant man in symptoms were more extreme than anything his doctors had ever seen from the age of five joseph merrick began to exhibit strange bony growths on his face and skull his feet and right arm grew out of proportion to the rest of his body and his spine was curved severe scoliosis the skin all over over his body took on a rough lumpy texture and folds of loose overgrown skin hung down from his head back and chest the condition addition progressed over the course of his life and by the time he reached adulthood his symptoms were so shocking that he couldn't leave the house without causing a panic on the streets during joseph's lifetime very little was known about human genetics but his unique set of symptoms helped researchers connect the dots between a few disorders that weren't thought to have an underlying cause for the next two episodes will look at the evolving theories about what what caused his condition was it caused by trauma. His mother suffered while he was in the womb. Was it a combination of skin disorders known as dermatologist assists and pecci dermot to sela and if so how do his bone deformities fit into the picture finally will look genetic research from later decades that might explain the root of his symptoms but first. Let's start with the theory. That joseph himself accepted as the truth maternal journal impression for this. We have to go back to the very beginning in may of eighteen sixty two womb wells. L. is travelling menagerie pass through leicester england. The menagerie was a collection of exotic animals drafts lepers zebras lions and elephants mary jane merrick at twenty five year old. Sunday schoolteacher was in the crowd watching the animals prey down the street. She was six months pregnant with her first child and so far the pregnancy had gone smoothly. She kept a hand on her belly dreaming of all the things they would do u._n._c. together wants. Her child was born. Suddenly the crowd swelled forward and mary was pushed into the road. She fell right in the path. Half of the elephants. She looked up to see a pair of thick wrinkled feet stomping torture. She scrambled out of the way just in time. As as the elephants brushed past she caught her breath and checked herself her injuries. She and her unborn child had made it out just fine three months later on august fifth eighteen sixty two. Mary gave birth to a perfectly healthy baby boy why they named him joseph after his father baby joseph was in fine health for the first few years of his life his first medical scare didn't didn't come until age five when he tripped and fell badly injuring his left hip the wound became infected before it could he'll inflaming the hip bone and causing permanent damage to the joint. This made it difficult and painful for the young boy to move for the rest of his life. Joseph merrick doc would never be able to walk properly. He could only shuffle across the playground with his cane while the other children ran and played to make matters worse as well as hip injury was still barely healing. Mary noticed something strange happening to her son's face. A swollen lump was growing going out of his upper lip. At first it was only slightly raised as if he'd fallen down and landed on his face nothing to be too concerned about but as the months progressed it grew into a tumor that ran across his right cheek pressing his upper lip outwards gradually other symptoms autumn started to develop his skin especially on his back and chest became loose and rough his right arm grew out of proportion as did his feet which were turning into thick shapeless stumps and soon the hard lump of flesh on his lip was several inches long resembling rather unfortunately in elephants trunk. Mary's mind went back to the parade. She'd witnessed while pregnant. The elephants encounter must have scared her so badly. It affected the baby in her womb. Joseph was marked from before birth by the memory of of his mother's fear as bizarre as it sounds. This was actually a common medical theory at the time maternal l. impression or the idea that a mother's thoughts and emotions could affect developing fetus gained popularity in the middle ages. It was believed view that if a woman was particularly sad during a pregnancy the child might be born with a predisposition towards depression or other mental illnesses or if a mother was traumatized by certain animal the baby would be born with resemblance to that animal. This idea was based in folklore for more than biology by the late nineteenth century. The theory was already falling out of favor as doctors gained a better understanding of genetics but while there's no evidence that specific thoughts our fears like a run in with a circus elephant can cause birth defects research does suggest that that a mother's lifestyle diet and stress levels can impact a fetus's development. The body's stress response is regulated by the corticotropin-releasing hormone own or c. r. h. This hormone is secreted by the hypothetical news the part of the brain that regulates most bodily functions during pregnancy z. cr h is also produced by the placenta which can lead to highly elevated levels of stress hormones in the bloodstream and nineteen ninety-six study by developmental psychologist janet a._d._p. Etro found that in mothers who reported high levels of stress or depression their fetuses exhibited higher heart rates and were less responsive to external stimuli. Both of these factors are associated with an increased risk of vang's -iety and emotional regulation problems in childhood. This suggests that a mother can in a sense pass on anxiety or depression to their child exposure to stress hormones can also impact organ development according to a two thousand eight study and developmental psycho biology quote wrote during the last trimester of pregnancy exposure to the stress hormone cortisol is critical for the maturation of the cardiovascular system the pulmonary khomeini's system renal systems and overall fetal growth however there isn't sufficient evidence linking maternal stress to more severe ear congenital disorders like symptoms five year old. Joseph merrick was exhibiting. It's also unlikely that one brief stressful event like like a sudden fall during a parade would affect hormone levels enough to harm developing fetus but in the eighteen sixties maternal impression due to the elephant encounter was the best explanation anyone could offer and five year old. Joseph seemed to accept it. He grew into a lonely shy. Hi child who spent most of his time reading. Mary encouraged his love of learning as a sunday school teacher herself. She made sure her son's health issues. It didn't keep him out of class. The family's second child william was born without any medical issues to speak of it appeared that whatever was wrong along with joseph at least it didn't run in the family but in eighteen sixty seven the same year. Joseph started showing his symptoms. Mary gave birth to their third child. A daughter named marian records indicate that she was disabled from birth but the exact nature of her disability disability isn't clear congenital disorders are often caused by hereditary genetic problems even if both parents appear perfectly healthy they still still might be carrying genetic mutations that can be passed down to their children. If joseph and marianne both had similar symptoms it's possible that they both both inherited the same mutation but it's also possible that the two children's health problems were unrelated. There are many factors that can cause congenital genital disorders and we don't know enough about marion's disability to suggest that it had anything in common with joseph's in spite of his ever-worsening health problems joseph's early childhood was mostly happy then in eighteen seventy three another health related tragedy struck. The merrick family joseph's mother. Mary suddenly fell ill and died from bronchial pneumonia. Uh it was devastating for ten year old. Joseph apparently wasn't as devastating for joseph senior. Because within two years years of his wife's death he remarried to the families landlady emma would anthill emma was a widow with two daughters of her own and the new you step sisters may joseph's young life miserable by this point. Joseph's afflictions had progressed from mildly unusual to downright downright disturbing the other children never let him forget it. These now like tumor on his mouth and cheek had grown considerably making making it increasingly difficult for him to speak to make matters worse. Another growth was forming his forehead and sacks of spongy skin. Kim now hung down from the back of his skull. A foul odor emanated from skin growths. No matter how often he bathed twelve-year-old joseph joseph was always the odd one out whether it was at home or at school to add injury to insult his hip problems made it impossible for him him to run away from the bullies just a year after his father's remarriage. Joseph left school at the customary age of thirteen at the insistence assistance of his stepmother. He got a job at a cigar factory to do his part in supporting the family. This job was fine at first it didn't require much walking and he didn't have to interface with the public bud by the time he was fifteen his right handed grown so large and heavy heavy that it was impossible for him to roll cigars. He had no choice but to leave his job. However unemployment wasn't an option. The family's finances were tight and joseph stepmother. Emma didn't have any sympathy for his disability more than once m._s._n. Is played down down for dinner with a sharp remark that it was more food than he had earned in a misguided attempt to keep the peace joseph's father you put him to work at the family shop in a role he thought would be well suited to the boy's condition door to door sales. Why joseph senior your thought his disabled shockingly deformed son would find success as a traveling salesman is a mystery for another day but undaunted by the challenge orange ahead fifteen year old joseph hobbled through the city lugging his father's wears in one hand and his walking cane and the other he knocked on the the door of each residence knowing that any unsuspecting housewife who answered would simply scream and slammed the door in his face. If a male male homeowner answered the door there was a better chance they might stand gawk instead of immediately fleeing in fear when this happened. Joseph joseph launched into his best sales pitch but because of the growth on his lip. It was nearly impossible for anyone to understand what he was saying. Uh as he limped through the streets a crowd of spectators would gather around staring whispering. He tried to persevere year after all he was used to being teased for his appearance but it was impossible to sell his goods when he was constantly mobbed on the streets. Joseph joseph was beaten severely by his father. When he came home without meeting his daily sales quota by age sixteen he stopped coming coming home at all spending whatever money he made on food and cheap lodging houses his only comfort was a small painted portrait of his mother other which he carried with him everywhere she had always encouraged him to be as best even in spite of his condition. If she was watching over him there was nothing he couldn't overcome but positive thinking couldn't change reality living on his own was unsustainable on the monday after christmas in eighteen seventy nine seventeen year old joseph packed his bags and dragged himself through the iron gates of the leicester a union workhouse in an effort to combat poverty the british government setup work houses where we're unemployed or infirm citizens could perform menial labor for room and board to encourage the poor to find their own jobs instead of relying on the government that conditions in the work houses were so horrifying that only the most desperate would resort to applying joseph was given a uniform form and lead through the drab stone corridors to his dormitory where he'd share a room with as many men as they could physically fit inside every morning at six a._m. He was woken up for a breakfast of bread and gruel. He'd worked from seven in the morning to six at night. Chopping wood or unraveling old pieces of rope after dinner he went back to the dorms and sat down to sleep because of the heavy masses masses of flesh growing from the back of his skull lying down strained his neck and made it difficult to breathe he had to sleep sitting up with with his knees pulled up to his chest. His arms wrapped around his legs and his head resting forward on his knees. The next morning mm-hmm joseph would wake up from a very uncomfortable night of sleep and get ready for another day of menial work. This was his daily routine for a soul soul crushing for years. The only bright spot came in eighteen eighty two about halfway through his stay. The elephant trunk tumor on his lip clip had grown to be eight or nine inches long and he could no longer move his mouth enough to chew so he was taken to the infirmary. The surgeons had no useful advice on what was causing joseph's condition or how to cure it but they were able to remove nearly four ounces of flesh from his upper lip just enough that he was able to open and close his mouth again and then it was back to the workhouse for an intelligent educated young man man like joseph being locked away for a lifetime of labor was a depressing prospect. He wanted to see the world he wanted to live life life but what was there to do if he couldn't walk or talk or roam the streets without causing a panic the answer came from a newspaper advertisement attachment sam tours gaddi palace varieties the most buzz worthy music hall in leicester joseph knew the place well it was just around the corner from from his childhood home for his next big spectacle sam tour was looking for curiosity's novelties as some would say freaks of nature. Joseph merrick had found the perfect career coming up. The elephant man's steps into the limelight.

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Steven Stayner Pt. 1: A Hundred Yards Away

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Steven Stayner Pt. 1: A Hundred Yards Away

"This episode Features Discussion Kidnapping Violence and child sexual assault that some people may find offensive listener discretion is strongly advised especially especially for children under thirteen. The sleet was coming down hard seven year old. Stephen Steiner just wanted to be home not not trudging through the miserable weather so when a nice man handing out illustrated Bible passages offered to drive him the last few blocks. Stephen Happily accepted Stephen jumped in the back of a white Buick driven by the man's friend who said he was the minister at the local church as the car pulled away. Stephen Thought about how his mom likes to be involved in the local churches and how she'd be pleased to meet the minister. She'd probably be grateful that he'd given him. A ride lied in this weather but the car drove past his St. Stephen pointed out that they missed the turn. The ministers spoke up. We're going to our place for a while to see if you can stay the night we're GONNA call your mother from their. Steven didn't understand understand but decided not argue. It seemed like an adventure Stephen Loved Adventures. This is hostage apart cast original every week we tell the stories behind the most captivating hostage situations and the people inside them. We'll also cover these psychological tactics used in kidnapping napping situations and what the human brain does when held captive. I'm IRMA BLANCO THE NON quarter. Roy You can listen to all of our casts shows on spotify modify or anywhere you listen to podcasts new episodes of hostage. Come out every Thursday par cast. We are grateful for you our listeners you allow us to do what we love so let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network and if you enjoy today's episode episode the best way to help us is to leave a five star review wherever you are listening it really does help we also now have merchandise had to podcast dot com slash smerch for more information. This is our first episode on the kidnapping of Stevens Steiner by Kenneth Parnell from Mercedes California in nineteen seventy two on December fourth nineteen seventy two seven year old. Stephen was walking home from school school when he was kidnapped by Parnell and his associate and taken to a cabin near Yosemite National Park for the next seven years. Stephen lived route as both Parnell's son in victim while the two bounced around California staying just under the authorities radar this week we'll we'll look at Stephen Steiner and Kenneth Parnell's backgrounds and how their paths crossed on that Fateful Day in nineteen seventy two next week we'll dig into Stevens. Seven years has parnell's captive and the psychological struggles he faced as a victim of abuse will look at why despite relative tip freedom he never tried to escape and what finally pushed him over the edge for a variety of reasons. It's hard good to know the specifics of the background of Kenneth Eugene Parnell Steven Steiner's kidnapper Parnell is the only source of information on his childhood and he is by his own admission and unreliable witness but a few surviving records give us the basic facts cornell was born in Amarillo. Oh Texas on September Twenty Sixth Nineteen thirty one in the middle of the Great Depression right at the beginning of the dust bowl. His childhood was unhappy. His family suffered as a result of the economic crisis and his parents marriage was volatile and destructive his fundamentalist Christian mother who had three children from her first marriage instituted a very strict version of Christianity in their household her husband see so Frederick Cornell's father chafed against her militancy and the two often butted heads when Parnell's father left them in nineteen thirty thirty seven his son was five years old and according to both Parnell and his mother he didn't take it well according to one story he pulled out several of his teeth with pliers in protests in the coming years the families instability continued as his mother moved them back and forth across the country several times between Texas and Bakersfield in California's Central Valley missing his father and struggling with their itinerant tenant lifestyle Parnell only grew more depressed apparently attempting to harm himself on several occasions in Bakersfield his mother joined the Assembly of God church and made daily Prayers Bible readings and Thrice Weekly Church services mandatory for the whole family in nineteen. I'm forty four. She bought a boarding house in Bakersfield to house the drifters who came to work in the nearby oilfields. Though parnell story fluctuated on miss in early nineteen forty five one of these men seems to have befriended Kenneth before ultimately sexually abusing the thirteen year old after this assault parnell became markedly more destructive when he set fire to a nearby field the the thirteen year old ended up in Bakersfield Juvenile Hall for several months the hope according to these psychiatrists who examined him was that this incarceration Chen would help cure both his immaturity and quote disposition toward perversion while it's unclear exactly what perversion means in this analysis Ossis. It's presumably rooted in Parnell's assault. As the current discourse regarding sexual assault has highlighted the attitude toward sexual assault of all kinds has been one of victim blaming victims of sexual abuse and assault were and continue to be considered as culpable as us if not more than their assailants this presumably explains the criminal justice systems otherwise callous and judgmental attitude toward the boy yes regardless of the desired effect. Juvie only made parnell more destructive shortly after his release that summer Parnell was arrested busted for stealing a car and sent for a year and a half to a residential facility for juvenile male offenders there he became part of a regular cycle full of sexual abuse seemingly both as a victim and aggressor in the year following his release the now sixteen year old landed in and <music> out of jail on a variety of offenses mostly public indecency and car theft practically every time he landed back in jail Parnell. Oh would manage to escape during one of these stints the desperate teenager unsuccessfully attempted to kill himself by drinking disinfectant which landed handed him in a psychiatric hospital from which he also escaped in May nineteen forty nine at age seventeen cornell was released and he spent spent the next few years trying to get his life back in order he lived with his mother in Bakersfield worked a string of menial jobs and got married to a young woman named Patsy Joe Thornton who soon pregnant with their first child but despite a seemingly happy home Parnell was clearly early unwell a lifetime of abuse had seemingly manifested into his own twisted sexual proclivities in March nineteen fifty won the nineteen year old parnell approached a group of nine year old boys playing outside. He flashed a fake sheriff's badge at them in order to convince Vince one of them to come with him. Parnell then drove the boy out of town and sexually assaulted him less than a week later he was arrested for that crime time as part of the ensuing trials. Parnell was interviewed and examined by three psychiatrists including the one who'd seen him when he was thirteen after after his own sexual assault and first brush with the law. All three of the doctors concluded that Parnell was a sexual psychopath though the one who'd known him longest. I also wrote extensively in his report about the young man suicidal tendencies and emotional instability the doctors at Norwalk State Hospital Hospital in Los Angeles agreed with the analysis diagnosing Parnell as a sexual psychopath without psychosis meaning that he was legally Lee Sane as a result the judge in his case sent Parnell to Norwalk State Hospital the nearest state psychiatric hospital hoping he might I te be rehabilitated but Parnell whose wife had just given birth to their daughter was anxious to get home. He wrote the judge asking to be moved to Bakersfield Chris Field for outpatient therapy and supervision when he didn't hear back he escaped from the hospital he was captured returned to the hospital and escaped again again this time the mental hospital wouldn't take him back and in April nineteen fifty to a judge sentenced Parnell to five years to to life in prison he was shuffled around between a few different facilities before ultimately ending up in the notorious maximum security prison at San in Quentin in August nineteen fifty two at age twenty however he was released on parole about three years later in nineteen fifty five but he violated his parole. Almost immediately parnell quickly ended up back in prison by nineteen fifty seven though things seem to be looking up Arnelle was released on parole again this time in Bakersfield and though his first wife divorced him he remarried later that year and had another daughter at age twenty eight in one thousand nine hundred fifty nine he managed to successfully complete his parole but having to disclose his criminal background made it hard to find work not to mention that Parnell had never finished high school and had little work experience in nineteen sixty he moved to Utah. Utah in the hope of finding more opportunities but had no luck desperate he held up a gas station in Salt Lake City not only did the robbery only only yield one hundred and fifty dollars but he couldn't make bail when he was arrested. He spent the next six years in prison in Utah during which time he earned his G._e._d.. And took accounting classes hoping to be able to find work when he finally got out he was released in September nineteen sixty seven at age aged thirty six he spent several years in Arizona before returning to Bakersfield in one thousand nine hundred seventy two on May first nineteen in seventy to the forty year old Parr now started a job as a night auditor at the Yosemite Lodge in Yosemite National Park the job that included lodgings lodgings within the park he lied about his criminal record on his application and no one had any idea that he was a felon who'd spent time in psychiatric institutions itunes but it was generally accepted that most people who worked at Yosemite. We're trying to get away from the rest of the world so once he'd started the job no no one ever asked that summer Har- nell befriended a thirty one year old kitchen cleaner at the lodge named Urban Edward Murphy known as Murph Murph had had a rough life too though in very different ways from parnell originally from South Dakota Murph had nine siblings siblings and an abusive mother. However Murph's mother left the family when Murph was about four shortly thereafter merced father moved the family later Sioux City Iowa lonely and mostly overlooked Murph didn't stick around long at age sixteen in Nineteen fifty seven he hitchhiked across across the country to California who spent the next eleven years drifting around the Central Valley doing menial jobs before winding up at Yosemite National Park in one thousand nine hundred sixty nine where he found work cleaning the kitchens at the lodges? Everyone who knew Murph agreed that he was a genuinely nice guy though although not the smartest person at the lodge he desperately wanted people to like him and was both gullible and easily influenced by those around him. He was also so extremely kind in his book. I know my first name is Steven Journalist. Mike echols relates an anecdote about Moore from a former Yosemite Seventy hotel colleague. Apparently another coworker had stolen a new pair of shoes from Murph bought when Murph discovered that the man desperately needed a pair of shoes use. You didn't ask for them. Back Murph liked his life in Yosemite. It was the first time in his life that he had found a real community and he was helpful. Full ungenerous friend when I met Parnell though in the summer of Nineteen seventy-two his roommate warned him about the new guy telling Murph he didn't trust Parnell but Murph didn't see any reason not to trust Parnell. Maybe he was a little weird but so we're most people he knew our Arnott's generous and treated Murph like a good friend which was all the younger man needed to know eighty miles west of Yosemite Eddie in the central valley farming town of Moore said Dell Burt and K Steiner were raising five children. Their Middle Child Stephen was born in Mercedes for said in April nineteen sixty five just two years later in one thousand nine hundred sixty seven the family moved out of town to a twenty Acre allman ranch coach where they lived until the summer of Nineteen seventy-one Stephen and his brother and sisters loved growing up on the farm where they were given free rein to play and explore explorer Stephen was particularly attached to their family dog a collie named daisy and the two of them would spend hours running around among the almond eamon trees Stevens parents and concerned with his whereabouts while most of the family's life was focused on their ranch. The other constant was their weekly only trip to the Mercedes Mormon stake now known as the Mer said California stake K had been raised Catholic and educated at a boarding school run by nuns Dell's family were members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day saints though both religious neither Cain nor Dell was deeply devout but they both I love the community surrounding the L._D._S. church especially in rural Mercer County and so they made the weekly ritual apart of the family's life especially since outside of Church del really got to see his kids. The farm itself didn't bring in enough money so dell also worked full time at a nearby canning plant which meant that during canning and harvest season he worked eighteen hour days during the hours Dell worked on the ranch. Stephen even would follow his father around the orchard in order to spend as much time as possible with him in the Steiner family. It was generally accepted that Stephen was Dell's Al's favorite the two just had a special bond. Stephen was warm and inquisitive and loves spending time with his father. Even if Dell was just just working the two would regularly go on hunting and fishing trips together though loving parents both del n que were pretty strict disciplinarians but even even steven became more mischievous as he got older. His father didn't always punish him as much as siblings in one thousand nine hundred seventy del Zell hurt his back and realized he couldn't manage the orchard on his own anymore so a close friend of his moved his wife and three kids to the Steiner's farm in order for the two men to work as partners in the venture but as fun as it was for the two families to have the run of the farm. The finances still weren't working out so in the summer of one thousand nine hundred seventy one when steven was six years old they sold the ranch and moved back into Murr said this shift was a rough one one for Steven not only did the family have to get rid of his beloved dog with a little boy used to exploring acres of land suddenly found himself confined signed by fences streets and yards and to make matters worse he had to leave behind all the friends he'd made in kindergarten and start first grade in a new you school but the time second grade started in the fall of Nineteen seventy-two though seven year old Stephen had settled in a friendly only kid he'd made plenty of new friends and figured out the lay of the land and Moore said he started to go straight over to a friend's house after school not bothering to ask his parents for permission in late November. He did this several times in a row despite his parents insistence that he asked them. I <unk> hoping that it would drive the message. Home has normally lenient father spanked him with a belt. Stephen couldn't understand why his parents were upset. He'd spent most of his short life being given free rein to explore and he knew how to take care of himself now that he'd acclimated to life in town he I didn't see the difference between wandering around the neighborhood and exploring their farm unlike his parents Stephen wasn't reading or watching the news which in the nineteen eighteen seventies was broadcasting sensationalized stories of child abductions on a regular basis but despite their concern neither of the Steiner's ever ever thought that Steven could really become one of those stories they never imagined that someone might actually want to kidnap their son next we'll find out how Stephen ended up on Kenneth Parnell's radar and why Parnell decided to kidnap him. Hey you know how hostages part of an incredible collection of stitcher premium offerings yes. That's where everyone can find ad free archives archives of hostage episodes that are more than six months old but did you know that in addition to add free archives of every park has show you get original stitcher at your content full length comedy albums and bonus episodes and add free archives of other exclusive podcasts if you find yourself listening to more and more podcast it's a subscription to stitcher. Premium is a great way to get content. You can't get anywhere else for free trial go to stitcher premium dot com slash podcast recast and use Promo Code podcast that stitcher premium dot com slash podcast and use Promo Code podcast now back to the story according to court records Kenneth Eugene Parnell. I sexually assaulted a child when he himself was still Kayla teenager in Bakersfield in March nineteen fifty one he had done so by impersonating a police officer in the subsequent trial Parnell L. Soberly admitted to the crime all of its specifics he also admitted that in the immediate aftermath of the assault he briefly considered strangling the nine year old in order to keep anyone from finding out what had happened as far as we know Parnell didn't sexually assault anyone else in the nearly twenty the two years between this assault and nineteen seventy-two perhaps he didn't have the opportunity as he spent much of that time in prison perhaps he he simply got away with it but there's no evidence to suggest he was assaulting children during that time and despite the armed robbery and Utah Nineteen sixty there's no evidence that he ever attempted to kill anyone. The lawyers and journalists who interviewed him over the years have generally agreed that he wasn't a threat to anyone anyone who wasn't a child specifically a young boy so all things considered the people pleasing thirty year old kitchen cleaner known known as Murph had no reason to suspect his new friend Seemed reasonable to Murph who especially appreciated that Parnell was thinking of children abusive parents but what seemed less reasonable was Parnell's idea idea that he just get a kid off the street rather than adopt one that didn't seem right to Murph but Murph was so happy to have a friend that he preferred to ignore Parnell's plan to kidnap a child Professor Francis a Eh quash writes that kidnappers impulse often stems from their our need for power over someone else throughout Parnell's life he was consistently under other people's control from his mother's domination to his own sexual sexual abuse to the majority of life spent in prison or mental institutions in Murph Parnell had found someone he could control to a certain extent which was likely the basis for their friendship but his need to have power over someone else could be best fulfilled by finding a powerless child who would be entirely dependent upon him that summer Parnell in merv drove up to Sacramento to visit another friend's mother for a couple of days on the way Parnell told Murph he wanted his help in finding a kid to be his son Murph uncomfortable at the prospect refused and hoped hoped Cornell would drop it but Parnell kept bringing it up having no idea of Parnell's background murph tried in vain to suggest Cornell get married and have kids whenever Parnell said he wanted merce help finding a son Murph made up excuses for why he couldn't help but he never never challenged Parnell had on he was too nice and far too desperate for approval that fall Parnell told Murph he was studying to be a minister aw Murph wasn't religious but that seemed to him like a good and reasonable thing to do especially if Parnell was hoping to be a parent and raise a child in a religious household sold what Murph didn't know was that Parnell was also taking other steps in order to build his little family in late November. Remember Nineteen seventy-two Arnelle drove eighty miles down highway one forty from Yosemite to her said despite the distance Murr said is the closest major town to the national park and tout's itself as the gateway to Yosemite if park employees needed to run errands Murr said were they went but are now wasn't just running errands he had recently met a chatty mailman from her said and the two had somehow gotten on the topic wake of abused children. The mailman had then told Parnell about a family he delivered mail to on Betty Street and Moore said with a father had recently gently spanked his seven-year-old son with a belt as punishment for misbehaving and suddenly Hornell Hadn idea a boy I used to strict discipline and harsh punishment would likely be more obedient and easier to control but also if this kid was being hit by his parents parents are now believed he really could give the boy a better life he told himself he would be a better and less abusive parent. This even even solved his problem of getting Murph to help them. It would be easy to make the case that they were rescuing the boy from his abusive family. He started driving down to Mercedes and parking the house. The mailman had mentioned he would watch the kids coming home from school and eventually figured out which was the seven seven year old he'd heard about after a month. He learned the kids routine when he was walking home from school alone. All parnell had to do was wait for the right moment on the morning of December four th nineteen seventy-two Murph overslept. He'd missed the eight A._M.. Boss intimate where he'd been planning to do as Christmas shopping. He was irritated with himself now. He'd have to wait and try again. The next day just then Parnell came by and said he was driving in Timmer said did murph WANNA come Murph was thrilled at the fortuitous suggestion as he got ready to go he thought about how lucky was to have a friend like are now in his white Buick Parnell drove Murph into town and dropped him off at the mall to do as Christmas Christmas shopping when he picked the younger man up cornell showed Murph a bunch of Bible tracks that he'd gotten he wanted to hand them out in town. He said as as part of his training to become a minister he asked if Murph would help him. This seemed reasonable enough to Murph after all Parnell L. had been so generous to drive him into town. It was the least Murph Kadduh Murph later recounted to journalist Mike echols. How parnell drove them to a part of town that and he said he knew along Yosemite Parkway there were lots of kids walking home from school Arnelle said they'd be perfect to hand the Gospel tracts out too and ask if their parents would be willing to donate to his new church and fact Hornell said a lot of these kids walking home were underprivileged and being abused abused by their families? They needed a home where they'd be treated well an apparent who'd be kind to them and take care of them apparent like him Murph I torn on the one hand. He knew what it was like to be an abused child. He didn't want anyone else to have to go through that on the other hand it it still felt weird that Parnell wanted to just take child off the street but Parnell was also his friend and his ride home Moore Murph figured he could at least hand out the Gospel Tracts to the kids just to try. Maybe none of the children were WANNA. Come with them anyway. December fourth nineteen nineteen seventy-two started just like any other day for seven year old Stephen Steiner his mother prepared breakfast for the family before Stephen and his three the older siblings walk the twelve blocks to school as a second grader Stephen finished school at two o'clock earlier than his older siblings normally normally heat walk home from school by himself except for the recent times when he'd instead gone to a friend's house and gotten in trouble for it but today as the weather are had gotten worse than it had started sleeping k plan to pick her younger son up from school after she finished running errands but when school got out at two PM K. was still stuck in line at the store walking out of the school. Steven didn't see his mother's car so he decided he he just walk. The weather wasn't pleasant but the walk wasn't long. He waved goodbye to his friends and set off through the sleet on Yosemite Parkway Parkway Murph was also braving the weather Arnelle had dropped him off near a gas station and as far as Murph could tell had driven off so Murph handed out the Bible tracts any kids that walked by most of the passing kids weren't interested in talking to him. They were friendly enough but no one wanted to be out in the weather. Even the kids who took the papers quickly hurried off on their way home anxious to be warm and dry Stephen trudged along through the sleet his head down similarly ready to be home. They were so focused that he didn't see the man in front of him until he practically ran into him. When Stephen looked up startled he saw nice friendly man handing out papers little cartoons of stories from the Gospels having been raised in the vibrant community of the Mormon Church? Stephen took one of the tracks Murph then said that he was with a church that was looking for donations and asked if Steven's mother might be willing to donate knowing that his mom liked the church. Stephen said he thought she'd be happy to give him a few dollars. Murph then asked where he lived Steven told him that his house was just a couple of blocks away. Some murph asked if they could go there and talk to his mother about the donation Stephen agreed just then a white buick pulled up next to them surprising stephen but Murph said that that was the minister and he could give the ride back to Stephen's House considering the weather Stephen like that idea murph open the back door for him and Stephen hopped in he then introduced Stephen to the man he called the Minister Kenneth Parnell the car pulled away and Steven leaned back happy to be out the rain and looking forward to being home in a minute. His mom liked people from the church so he was sure she'd like these men to the Ben. Stephen realized that they'd missed the turn onto a street. He told the minister but Parnell said not to worry they were going back to his immerse place place. I and they'd call his mom from there. They'd even see if he could spend the night. Steven didn't really understand why they couldn't just go talk to his mom in person but cornell seem so self assured that Steven didn't question it after all they were heading east towards Yosemite National Park where Stephen had never been an had long wanted to go in the front seat Murph felt similarly uncomfortable. It didn't seem right taking the kid without talking to his parents but he was surprised by how relaxed even seemed the boy didn't cry or even really protests. Maybe Parnell had been right and Steven was abused by his parents. Maybe he was quiet because he was happy to be escaping from them. The car sped towards Yosemite. Stephen List fully unaware that it was the last time he'd be in Mirsaid for many many years up next. We'll find out how Stephen seemingly disappeared now back to the story on the afternoon of December fourth nineteen seventy two as Kenneth Parnell and Urban Murphy were driving seven year old Stephen Steiner out of Moore said California California Steven's mother had yet to realize anything had happened to her son. K. was running late to pick stephen up and arrived at the school around around to ten P._M.. Only to discover her son had waited for her despite the miserable weather she drove home along his walking route expecting to pick him come up along the way but she didn't see him. K. Got Home Around two twenty PM and I'm home yet. Neither of them was especially concerned. Despite having gotten in trouble for it Stephen had recently been going over to a friend's house after school rather than coming straight home. They figured he'd done it again on this meant another talking to when he did get home but they deal with it then at three pm mm-hmm. Both parents drove to the school with their youngest daughter to pick up the two older girls. Neither of Stephen Sisters had seen him since lunch when he still hadn't returned by the time they got home. K N DEL started to worry. They tried several of his friends parents but he wasn't at any of their houses. As far as anyone knew he'd last been seen waving goodbye to the kids who took the bus around five o'clock having searched the entire neighborhood hood between their house and the school Stevens parents finally called the police. The only thing that the law enforcement search was able to add was that an employee the at the Yosemite Parkway gas station had seen Stephen Walk past on his way home sometime before three pm that evening as the missing persons call call when out on the radio the Moore said police and Stevens parents and friends searched surrounding construction sites in junkyards trudging through the rain and mud with with flashlights trying to stave off the panic as far as anyone could tell Stephen had vanished into thin air by Hi Eleven P._M.. The police had to start considering all other options. They consider Dell and K.. A. Suspects before quickly dismissing the possibility they then advised the Steiner's not to open any unusual mail tap the houses phones in order to record ransom calls and prepared flyers. Here's to distribute and they notified the F._B._i.. Technically the F._B._I.. Didn't have jurisdiction over the case because it couldn't be proven that Stephen Stephen had been taken across state lines for that matter they had no proof that Stephen had even been kidnapped but the spate of kidnappings hijackings and hostage stood situations in the US in the late sixties and early seventies meant that the F._B._i.. Was the law enforcement organization with the most experience with kidnappings yes and since kidnapping seem most likely it was crucial that the Mer said police be able to utilize their expertise and resources while the Steiner's law enforcement and the generally sleepy mirsaid community mobilized. They had no idea that Stephen was barely twenty five miles away way completely unaware that anyone was looking for him. After Murph in Stephen had gotten in the car Parnell had driven them through the rain in half an hour or so up highway one forty to a tiny enclave known as Kathy's Valley there he had rented an old one room cabin next to a trailer park. Has the White Buick pulled up the dirt road Arnelle felt confident that no one would find them. They're his plan had had gone perfectly. He had no idea though that one of the newly arrived trailers in the park along to Stevens maternal grandfather who'd moved to Kathy's valley just a couple of weeks earlier. Unfortunately Stephen had no idea about this either when they arrived at the cabin then Parnell escorted Stephen inside making Murph wait in the car inside there was a pile of old toys mostly plastic figurines means of the old cowboys and Indians set that are Nel told Stephen were for him. The seven year old was delighted but Parnell got angry when Stephen asked about taking toys back to his siblings telling the child they were just for him while Stephen played in the cabin Parnell went back outside and threatened Murph promising to ruin Murph's life. If he ever told anyone about Stephen he threatened to tell the police it had been in just as much mercy idea as his warning Murph they'd get exactly the same penalty confused and scared Mur followed Parnell l. back inside where he watched Parnell asked Stephen Questions about his family and his life Murph listen carefully when Parnell asked Steven if he'd ever been whipped remembering Cornell's comment about abused children Stephen not wanting to seem like a disobedient kid lied and said he hadn't and even though his father had recently punished him with a belt Murph was concerned but the fact that Stephen seemed fine with being there and didn't seem worried about getting home made him think maybe he didn't understand everything that evening Parnell served one of Stephen's least favorite foods canned green beans. Stephen Concerned about being rude didn't say anything but didn't eat them when Parnell saw he threatened threaten to spank steven if he didn't eat everything on his plate cowed into obedience Stephen did as he was told then Parnell are now made Stephen take a shower before getting into the only bed with him while Murph slept on a folding chair the only thing Stephen Ever said about his his first night as a captive his that he vaguely recalled Parnell performing oral sex on him and experience. This sleepy child didn't understand despite all of this stephen claimed he wasn't really scared at this point. It's hard to understand why but perhaps his brain was in denial. According to professors David a Alexander and Susan Klein denial is a survival response during situations of extreme stress that that allows the individual delayed period during which he or she has time to adjust to a painful reality. It's possible that the seven year old's old's brain was protecting him from the realization that something very bad was happening to him alternatively. It's possible that his childhood and personality they combined to make him a perfect victim for a diagnosed psychopath like Parnell and adventurous kid used to authoritative adults may have been exactly exactly the kind of person par now would be able to easily control the next day Parnell and Murph who both worked the night nightshift new. They'd have to get back to Yosemite so that evening they packed up the car preparing for the fifty mile. Dr Steven was yet to really I understand what was going on but as far as he was concerned it was still an adventure around the same time Steven's father del decided to drive out too Kathy's Valley to tell case father in person about Stevens disappearance. He loaded his shotgun into a friend's car just in case ace and the two of them drove half an hour out the trailer Park Dell's father in law's trailer was just two hundred feet from the tourist cabins cabins in one of which unbeknownst to him his missing son was being held Dell must have just missed Parnell Murph in Stephen Stephen Parnell's Buick with Stephen sitting up front between the two men probably pull out of the trailer park just moments before Dale and his friend pulled in had locked been on his side Dell would have seen his son and been able to rescue him instead the Buick headed headed off to Yosemite where Parnell dropped Murph off at his cabin before continuing onto an empty parking lot far from the lodge there the car pulled to a stop Steven didn't understand why they stopped or why they'd left the Nice unthreatening man he'd been told to call uncle for the first time sitting there in the dark car he started to get scared but it wasn't until Parnell brutally forced the terrified seven-year-old all to perform oral sex on him that Stephen realized this was no adventure Stephen cried and begged the man to stop and take him home but parnell coldly told him that this was what he expected Stephen to do from now on or else the little boys suddenly suddenly understood that Parnell would kill him if he fought back and Steven didn't want to die that night before he went to his job on the nightshift Parnell gave Stephen some sleeping pills and tuck them into bed. Stephen cried himself to sleep that night with no idea his family was a mere two hundred feet from the cabin hopelessly and fruitlessly searching for him Stevens adventure had gone horribly horribly horribly wrong next week on hostage. We'll find out what happened to Stephen. During the years that he lived as Parnell's son in victim will examine the psychology that kept Stephen from attempting to escape for years until he finally made a daring attempt that turned him into a hero <music>. Thanks again for tuning into hostage. We will be back next Thursday with a new episode for more information on this Stephen Steiner kidnapping we found I know my first name is Steven Bye. Mike echols to be a fantastic resource in addition to the many sources is used in the creation of this episode. You can find more episodes of hostage as well as all of

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236 - The Yosemite Killer and the Abduction of Steven Stayner

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236 - The Yosemite Killer and the Abduction of Steven Stayner

"The yosemite killer and the abduction of stephen steiner. That's what we're talking today. Something carries steiner yosemite. Killer might have been able to avoid his dark urges is some horrible events. Hadn't have happened to him and around him. As a child keyword might carry standard was born to seemingly no middle class parents dilbert encase danger in merced california in nineteen sixty one and kerry seem to have had a fairly normal upbringing until when he was eleven. Two things happened. He was molested by an uncle and his little brother. Stephen steiner was abducted by notorious pedophile and kidnapper. Kenneth parnell who kept stephen for seven years seven years. While these years were absolutely more horrific for stephen it was also seven years of kerry living in an emotionally broken home. A home. parents didn't pay attention to him where the media was constantly covering his brother's kidnapping where neighbors and classmates stared at him asked him about his brother. Seven years of that carry found respite in yosemite national park camping and hiking in the mountains. It was the only place where he felt at peace. Even after stephen was returned to the family then there would be more tragedy even with die young in a motorcycle crash and carries oncle would get murdered a case still unsolved while carey was living with him. Then carry would kill four women in the spring and summer of nineteen ninety nine and then thankfully he'd be caught before killing at least three others already made. Plans to murder was carry steiner always destined to be a killer or did his brothers abduction and his molestation and his uncle's murder all combine to push him over the edge. And what the hell went on during his brother. Seven year long abduction. What was kenneth parnell doing to him. Who is kenneth. Parnell to sucks in one episode today. Really three the kidnapping of stephen steiner. The story of kenneth parnell and the murders committed by steven's brother carry on another true crime edition of time suck. This is michael mcdonald. And you're listening to happy. Monday mates acts welcome to the cult of the curious. Ba- glad your last name isn't standard this week or if it is. Hopefully you're not related to carry steiner or if you are Glad you're not like a sibling or parent or if you are Holy shit star your family experienced so much tragedy And suck nasty your suckle berry and you are listening to time suck he'll nimrod lose to fina bojangles and triple inhale you beautiful bastard recording again. Suck done genetic quarterlane idaho. Whether has been nice sunny. It is lifting my spirits. Happy to be alive today. Happy to be telling a tale of tragedy and not living through one and thank you for all the us about pop award from the suck last week. Not sure why there seemed to have been technical difficulties with that episode. 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They are all about sacrificing free speech for hate speech right now right in the in the you know in the in the name of getting rid of hate speech they're killing free speech which is which is now what i would do. But it's not my company. i say. Let the hateful people Speak and then we know who they are right. Seventy easier to find him. Which is i think. A good thing rather than just wonder whether fucking hiding. Oh we'll do our best moving forward to follow facebook's vague guidelines and keep whatever called curious page we happen to have the time up and running doing her best navigate. These are strange waters. Guide us through the rapids nimrod. Now it's Let's add another serial killer the ever-growing list of time suck true crime. Murders is keri steiner. Actually a serial killer or just regular dirtbag murderer was says. He's a serial killer some documentaries say he's a serial killer some true crime junkie. Say no carry killed four people in two separate attacks maybe five three separate attacks if you think he killed his uncle which many do but he was never charged for that murder and never confessed. We can't count it as far as killer. Definitions go according to the fbi. The term serial murderer means the unlawful killing of two or more victims by the same offender in separate events by that definition. Carry steiner is just barely a serial killer however some other agencies put the threshold at three victims in separate incidents which carry would not fit. Unless you really think we should count the uncle. Then you have to factor in my dad. How many of standards victims were killed by my dad by your dad you know. Where was your dad. Nineteen ninety nine mine was in peak physical condition working quote out of town a lot. So that's interesting But seriously back to the technical definition of serial killer nineteen ninety eight. A federal law was passed by the united states. Congress titled protection of children from sexual predator act of nineteen ninety eight. This law includes a slightly different definition of serial killings stating the term serial killings means a series of three or more killings not less than one of which was committed within the united states having common characteristics such as to suggest the reasonable possibility that the crimes were committed by the same actor or actress. Carrie did kill for victims. Obviously more than three. But he didn't technically kill his victims in three separate killings since three of the women were all together and were killed as part of one incident. Kind of he'll to those women abducted the third. We then killed a short time later. The more The more i think he was technically serial killer. Certainly not as prolific killer is a many of the other dirtbags we've covered but had he not been caught when you did or when he was caught definitely would have killed more women. He admitted as much yet plans. Do show no signs of wanting to slow down or stop. He apparently almost killed a three additional the day he was arrested and before i go further i feel like you need to hit a button. The we are definitely past announcements. Pass waiting into the topic and Definitely into the heart of the show. But harry. Steiner story is one of both tragedy and brutality both victim and victimize her was his role is victim related in any way to his transformation victimize or merely a coincidence. There's been a fair amount of speculation about this due to the abduction. His brother coupled with his own molestation carry was molested. By jesse at a sleepover months before his brother would go missing and then Before i'm sorry. Actually his his his uncle jerry. Not jesse little typo. I'm glad i caught it as we go Before he really had time to process zone victims victimization he was certainly again victimized in a way by pedophile. He never met. The one who kidnapped carries brother stephen and held him for seven years. Seven years of stephen's parents seeming to ignore any of the needs of kerry too wrapped up. I in their own powerful grief over steven's loss then wrapped up in the joy of having to las unreturned to them then not that many years later again wrapped up in grief over steven's death carey grew up in a physically intact but very emotionally broken home doesn't justify any horrific deeds he committed. But how much is it all connected. If it'll many years later became the victim is a man who killed in cold blood taking the lives of four women to teenagers a woman in her forties and twenty six year old. Who by all accounts were nothing but forces of good in the world it would happen carries childhood. Turn him into. The monastery became where those events collectively. the straw. that broke the camel's back turned the campbell into a killer or would carry of turned into a killer. Anyways has never been kidnapped. Had his parents been more emotionally supportive. More in favor of the therapy clearly needed would carry story of turned out pretty much the same or very different to think about that is to think about the power of nature versus nurture free will versus determinism as most of us know the overwhelming majority of people who were molested or otherwise abused in their. Do not go onto molested others behave criminally in other ways but on the other hand many of the killers we've covered did have horrible childhoods that were marked by sexual emotional and physical abuse. So maybe these events didn't turn them into killers. But what if these events did flip a switch on their dark brains that would have otherwise remained in the thank fucking god. This health switch is off position interesting to think about before i do more than just pontificate talk S about a bunch of dark. I wonder if let's i gets no yosemite national park or carry steiner's murders take place park. There was carries happy place for years before he committed the murders he'd be caught for then. We'll get more familiar than you're probably going to want to be with. Kenneth parnell the dirtbag who kidnapped carries brother and began molesting raping him shortly after Kerry himself been molested are looking to. Kenneth will basically be a timeline before today's main time line and then we'll finish out this up. With our main timeline. Beginning with carries dangers burs leading up to and then passed his conviction for four murders. So let begin We head to yosemite. I hear a yosemite obviously is the place de would base carries murdering monitor the yosemite killer off of what if it hadn't been though what if kerry was called yosemite killer because he was just a huge fan of the yosemite sam cartoon does somebody sam yosemite fans around bray is ever crossed the rio grande. A pammy guys still love me. Some yosemite sam he ain't no mammy tambi. Whatever the hell that is little guy plum fully. yep yep ya bojangles loves. You'll still be saying well sees the same fighting spirit in him. I can't i can't smile. I listen to the museum. Assembly was long before he commits some gruesome killings. There carries refuge. The only place where he felt himself where he could drown out the noise of his family's grief in the media attention about his brother maybe drown out his own violent instincts as well. I have not been to yosemite national park. Every time it comes up. I kick myself for not having made more effort to do so yosemite encompasses a vast area of mountain pass alpined wilderness and redwood forests one of the most beautiful scenic attractions in america situated on the eastern edge of central california seventy seven miles northeast of fresno eighty miles east of modesto about three hour. Drive depending on of course traffic from is a sacramento or san francisco surrounded by national force on all sides national forest that extends far to the north and south for miles at the large park at seven. Hundred and forty eight thousand. Four hundred thirty six acres which is nearly one point two million square miles over three million square kilometers. It's almost exactly. The size of the state of rhode island who yosemite is known for giant granite cliff scenic waterfalls clear streams massive groves of giant sequoia mountains meadows glaciers and a lot of biodiversity ninety five percent of the park is raw wilderness and like yellowstone yosemite claims to be america's first national park. So who's lying. Which national park is at no good double krasniqi lion. Good for nothing lowdown. Dirk dylan's son of a batch. Maybe neither not sure all all that was about Well yellowstone is technically the first official national park in the us yosemite was actually protected. I as far as protected land goes or land set aside for recreational use for the public by the american government yosemite is older mountain man. Jim bridger first reported the sites yellowstone to other white settlers after an eighteen fifty six exploration and almost. No one believed him when he talked about geysers and boiling mud and brightly colored springs. Hot enough to fry fish and people seriously thought he was full of shit like for years. How frustrated with that to see all that beauty all of yellowstone not be able to share it with anyone without having them. Think you're just a liar. You're just spend any on hell. Itself rises near the surface area to is. The mud bubbles the ground. Rose water boils. You can swim in a river in the middle of winter. Five feet of snow on the banks and feel like you're in a heated roman bath guys are shooting steam with five hundred feet into the air. I'll tell you what shut up jim. You're drunk again really. Seen what i've seen that tell you And i've seen the queen's underpants flying pigs that magical place your jim did you swim with any mermaids heated river that only flows you'll fabricate and head sufferin succotash staff lavender. David this is jim. Bridger lives alone. In the mountains. Towns have just full of doubt as and fools will be very frustrated. Yellowstone wasn't really explored properly with interest from the us government vm expeditions until eighteen sixty nine nineteen seventy so for several years link. Three or four years people. I gotta jim bridges fucking liar and then the land was protected. Federally by congress eighteen. Seventy two hundred sixty nine seventy was already well known to the. Us government california's gold rushes had brought prospectors and settlers into the area of yosemite in eighteen fifty when early naturalists expressed concerns that california's settlement could destroy the unique habitat of yosemite president. Lincoln signed the yosemite valley grant. Act senate bill. Two oh three. On june thirtieth eighteen sixty four the legislation gave california the assembly valley and the nearby mariposa big tree growth of hall knee express conditions that the premises shelby held for public use result in recreation This grant will not technically making yosemite national park. We'd have national parks yet. It did open. The door for yellowstone parks establishment. Eight years later and you know for all intents and purposes made yosemite a state park yosemite national park was created on october first eighteen ninety but the state of california retained control of the land. Because you still didn't have that national park service to administer protected federal lands. The nps wouldn't be created until nineteen sixteen when control us seventy shifted from the state of california to the us federal government and a portion of the natural beauty of the sierra nevada mountain range several peaks rising up over fourteen thousand feet above sea level has been officially federally me protected. Ever since yosemite offers an abundance of activities and sightseeing destinations the valley is a seven mile wide canyon with incredible rock formations including capitain. The world's tallest granite monolith the cliff portion this rock formation roughly three thousand feet from base to summit one of the world's top rock climbing destinations for those fucking maniac. Su enjoy doing that. Very impressive terrifies me. Half dome is another popular sites. Stop granted dome with eastern valley also popular with climbers and. I just checked out a video on youtube of to maniacs skiing down. It made my stomach just to watch. No part of me understands how extreme skiers or snowboarders just You know jump off a helicopter. Whatever in places like yosemite and just hope they can make it down. A cliff yosemite falls the largest waterfall and north america. Breathtaking views drops a total of two thousand four hundred and twenty five feet from top of the upper falls to the base of the lower falls. The park is also known for his giant sequoia trees which estimated to be over three thousand years old which is pretty awesome still alive after three thousand years. Some of these trees are over one hundred thirty feet tall. So you get it. You know you get. The seventy is very pretty full hiking. Trails fishing spots campgrounds. Lots of open land and carry steiner would work and kill at the cedar lodge motel in l. towel california just outside the highway one forty west entrance to yosemite just over ten miles from yosemite village. We're about a thousand park staff and park contract. Workers generally live. L. portal is a census designated place of about four hundred people. Couple hotels small general store gas station post office community center little school etc and prior to steiner's crimes. El portal never really made the news on this week. A pedia page. Carl standards crimes are the only thing mentioned other than just basic statistical information for many standards crimes brought deep nagging fear to life that way out in the woods a killer could easily slip in kill you and then just slip away before he was caught his cries like some sort of real life eighty slasher flick. Right a real. Jason voorhees could be out there in the woods. Ready to come out of crystal lake and just slash young women to death at any moment important note though that standards crimes were and still are the exception to the rule by and large national. Parks are very safe. According to an article written in nineteen ninety nine africa crimes of the four million visitors to yosemite in nineteen ninety eight just fifteen were victims of violent crimes. Seventy percent drop from six years earlier homicides. In america's fifty four national parks are rare indeed sixty four and a half million visitors a throng the parks one thousand nine hundred eight and remarkably. There were no murders before carey's last victims death. The last known homicide inside yosemite boundaries had occurred in nineteen eighty-seven when a man pitched his wife off cliff to collect on her insurance policy and he did not get away with it. Quick deviation at this story real quick this guy seems like he's a real idiot stevie alan gray when he was twenty four a former The more naval air station sailor are l'amour. Yeah new virus. Sorry i got that name wrong. They took out newspaper life insurance policies on his new bride. Dolores guadalupe contrast grey. Also just twenty four immediately after they got married in august nineteen eighty-seven and then this killer did not have any patients. He only waited around four months before he took his bride yosemite showed her a beautiful vista then pushed off a cliff. He did that. on december. fifth nine hundred seven then with the insurance companies decided to not pay out because they found dolores quote unquote falling off a cliff on a hike with the man. She just married a man who had just taken out multiple life insurance policies on her a few months back to be a wee bit suss as the cool kids say stevie sued the insurance companies and his lawsuit drew the intention of the fbi. You brought that shit on himself. And while laura's death was initially ruled as accidental that classification changed to homicide. Stephen charged tried found guilty of first degree murder sense to life in prison. In cases i amaze what people think they can get away with sometimes like. How do you think that taking out. Several life insurance policies on his new totally healthy twenty four year old bride worth a total payout of five hundred thousand dollars and then going hiking with her. And having you know fall off a cliff or get pushed was knocking gonna look suspicious. Weird for him to take out that much life insurance on her when they were both twenty four in the first place. The only people who think it's a good idea to do shit like that or insurance agents or people easily tricked by insurance agents or people who wanna murder you for your insurance payout. I have life insurance on me over nine dollars worth to policies one where the kids are beneficiaries. One where my wife lindsay is a beneficiary. It makes sense because our livelihood is entirely dependent on me staying alive. Like if i die our company goes away currently right now. These were just twenty four years old. No kids starting out in their careers. Lowest is tv. Goes back to just how life was a few months before he was married like her death was gonna put him in a half million dollar hole. So if you're twenty four and your spouse wants to take up more life insurance policies on you right after you get married maybe nothing. Maybe they're just overly paranoid person or someone you know again easily manipulated by life insurance sales people or maybe they're thinking about killing you anyway. This murder took place twelve years before standards killings in between dozen years of no murders in the park that we know of sounds like a pretty safe place like all national parks according to a stat statistician at the university of florida. The odds of being murdered in a national park in one thousand nine hundred five were about one in twenty million less than the odds of drowning in one's own bathtub so worry lasts about getting killed in a park and worry so much more about drowning in your bathtub. That rubber ducky wants you fucking dead refocusing now until yosemite murders perhaps the most terrifying crime against women. In any of america's national parks occurred three years before standards killings and late may of nineteen ninety-six when two experienced backpackers julianne williams twenty and lally winans. Twenty-six were knifed to death at their campsite. A few hundred yards off the appalachian trail in virginia's shenandoah national park Julie's dad notified officials to women were were missing on may thirty first. The two women had been out for a five day circuit hike in the park when they were attacked. No suspect ever been arrested. Lawley was found. Inside the couple's ten. She'd been gagged her hands and ankles bound with duct tape. Her throat had been slit. Julie's hands also had been bound. She'd been gagged her throat also Yeah her throat slit Neither had been sexually assaulted. Both found partially undressed. Julie's body along with your sleeping bag and sleeping pad were found about thirty forty Thirty to forty feet away down a little embankment if you don't want to Sorry and if you don't know Dad or my dad was on may thirty first You you may want to notify the fbi so they can help trying to solve that But seriously while these killings were obviously tragic there are outliers murders. National parks very rare. Which is why kerry steiner's killing got so much attention The national park system and the fbi maintain open files for unsolved cases of either missing or murdered people other currently twenty nine people on this list of open files including julie williamson lally winans and of all these cases. Only a few are obvious. Crimes with the body in evidence of foul play Most most of these cases are just missing. People disappearances such as the disappearance of do boy cheer 'akaola. Should've should've put up annunciation. Got anyone chiricahua national monument ranger. Paul fugate i feel like i'm not kneeling. That what The victims like him mostly seem to vanish into thin air. He disappeared on january thirteenth. One thousand nine hundred eighty forty-one no trace of him ever has been found. He was working in the mountains visitor's center the day he disappeared about two pm that day he left. The building went to hike on a little park trail. And it's just never been seen again. Super weird investigators suspected foul play early on but could find no clues regarding You know what happened to his body. No scrap clothing. No blood nothing. Aliens sasquatch the marines popping out of their dimension into hours smashing him out For a lot more national parks facts including murders random deaths disappearances supposed- krypton sightings More spookiest you can check out episode one thirty one a national park mysteries of time suck. Let's shift gears now to carry His brother's disappearance stephen steiner yosemite carry sanders. Heavy place the man who cast one of the darkest shadows over carries life the drove him to seek a place like yosemite to find solace. Was kenneth. parnell get ready to get real fucking. Matt ended taking a serious detour in the research and doing a lot. More on the kenneth parnell steven singer stuff because like the stories and sing set out to just most initially this was supposed to only be a yosemite killer episode. and then this other stuff was just to there's just too much to ignore. If you don't believe in hell get ready to wish it existed so you can find satisfaction believing this cold blooded perverse. Motherfucker is down there burning into nothing just to be rebuilt to burn new Today suck Yeah kind of two slash three six. In the first two parts sit around kenneth parnell cornell was a truly disgusting and deplorable dirtbag who changed kerry sanders life. Dramatically nearly destroyed. The life of carries brother stephen who he abducted and raped for seven years in some ways. Parnell might be at least partially responsible. For kerry you know. Becoming the monster he became. Kenneth parnell was born september. Twenty six nineteen thirty-one in amarillo texas during the region's dust bowl era to parents diesel. Frederick parnell and mary olive parnell born just a year before pop award born into similarly impoverished circumstances. But what a very different life. He would choose to lead. I imagine kenneth not being born the traditional way and instead literally being shit out into assessment then he climbed out of the shit like a monster and his mom found a little living word. Took pity on this third and raise that actual piece of shit as if it was human can. His father was an alcoholic. Mother was a religious fundamentalist. He came up during the great depression later. Moved with his mom. Two half sisters and half brother to bakersfield california. After parnell's father abandoned the family. When kenneth was six 1937 separation of his mom and dad his mom took the whole family west on the santa fe. Railroad is dad's day behind never saw the family again. Apparently this all which is understandable greatly upset young kenneth kenneth spent several hours pulling out four of his teeth with a pair of pliers upon his parents separation. He would later say In a prison interview my recollection of the day of separation. Just as any kid would obviously be. I was upset of the by dad. And of course. I didn't i just simply do not want to leave where i was at. Didn't wanna come to california. Children tend to not want to have the world upset they sure don't kenneth One way of setting a child's world you know one could argue would be kidnapper kit at the age of seven and then sodomized them for seven fucking years straight like. You didn't carry standards. Younger brother stephen too bad. You didn't pull out enough teeth to somehow bleed to death that day. After a few years in bakersfield when canas mom worked as a nurse's aide nurse's aide. She took the family to texas to hockey the fun town name. Where you from the hatschi Those um excitement when you talk about lexa hockey like Alexa hockey from wax. Hattie waxahachie texas just south of fort worth. They lived there for three years where she was able to save enough money to move back to bakersfield and early nineteen forty four by avoiding house than in the spring of nineteen forty five. One of her borders befriended the slender troubled thirteen year. Old kenneth after establishing a degree fatherly trust in the fatherless boy coerced him into engaging infla- show and this act would leave a lasting impression on. Kenneth seemed to flip a switch on inside of him years later the groomed would become the groomer and he would do the exact thing he hated so much having been done to him to other children. Kenneth anger over being molested led him to set and fires set fire to a pasture. Soon after the encounter he got caught taken into custody. Locked up in bakersfield juvenile hall a psychiatrist. Who examined him at the time. Dr richard d lundberg. Dr ditlow lumbergh recommended temporary placement for parnell in the juvenile hall in the hope that his marked emotional immaturity mixed with his sophisticated disposition toward perversion might be overcome It would not. His perverse disposition would never be overcome at for several months in juvie. Still thirteen year. Old kenneth was released early in the summer of nineteen forty-five that fall shortly after his fourteenth birthday he stole a car got arrested after court hearing sent to the california youth. Authority's fred nell school. in whittier. A residential facility for juvenile male offenders and partner would be imprisoned there from october of nineteen forty five to february of nineteen. Forty-seven during which time he later reported he engaged in homosexual behavior both passively and actively he said that's just how things were. Sometimes you are the raped. Sometimes you're the raper. His sexual identity is now cemented in savagery. This will not bode well for many going forward upon his release from whittier nineteen forty seven fifteen year old. Kenneth returned to live with his mom and bakersfield just ten months later. In december of nineteen forty seven now sixteen year old kenneth is quote arrested as homosexual as the cringe legal record of the time. Put it for public. Sex acts no word on the age of whoever he engage in these acts with was or if it was consensual i doubt claims of homosexual rape were taking real seriously back then since america was extremely intolerant towards homosexuals. The time released to his mom's custody just two months later part l. steals another car he land in the california youth authority's lancaster facility now two weeks after being locked up. He escapes returns to bakersfield He would say later. He returned there because he was sexually attracted to a young boy had seen do only sixteen years old himself now. He's already hardened sexual predator shortly after arriving back in bakersfield within days he is arrested again on whether or not. He found her harm that boy now. He's placed in the kern county jail and bakersfield where attempt suicide by drinking disinfectant for emergency treatment at current general hospital. Parnell is sent to the state mental hospital at napa northeast of san francisco for ninety days and before the ninety days are up. He escapes again. This time he goes to san francisco where he steals another car then he returns to bakersfield to again. Try and find that young boy. He's quickly rearrested again. Not sure if you've found like it or not was returned to the lancaster facility where he remained until he is released as a seventeen year old and may of nineteen forty nine so he's had one hell of an adolescent here. Ken now returns to bakersfield backing with his mom. Few months later after a he begins a series of short term jobs. I is a kitchen worker at colonel hospital. Then as a stock boy for smith's market then leaders a stock boy for the local sears roebuck store. then a mid nineteen fifty personnel. Just eighteen now. Still living at home gets married to patsy joe doran. She moves in with him and his mom and within a year he is charged with a sex crime another one on march twentieth nineteen fifty one parnell driving. His mom's black chevrolet coupe approaches three young grade school boys play in your general hospital flashing a fake deputy sheriff's badge he He had bought it a bakersfield army navy surplus store that morning. He talks one of them. Little nine year old bobby green into accompanying him. He then drives this poor kid east of bakersfield to remote area in the kern river canyon where he sexually assaulted multiple times than casually drives. The key terrified kid back to where he picked him up and bakersfield and lets him out immediately. Young bobby runs home. Tearfully tells his parents what had happened. Within a day parnell is arrested again. Charged with three felonies revolving around the kidnapping of and sodomizing of a minor. His defense attorney tries to plead. That parnell needed rehab more than he needed incarceration and he was evaluated by a court appointed psychiatrist camarillo state hospitals. Dr nash and dr. Nash says it. Is this examiners opinion that this prisoner is a definite psychopathic personality. With well-defined homosexual drives and as such has a tendency and predisposition to commit sexual offenses to a degree constituting him as a menace to the health and safety of others and it is recommended that he be committed to a suitable institution for the care and treatment of this disorder namely psychopathic personality. And sex psychopath so the age of only nineteen hornell has been declared a sexual psychopath. He sends to only four years in prison Serves three and a half despite escaping from two different psychiatric hospitals while awaiting sentencing. This dude six escaped. What fucking nine times now. Three and a half years from personality an officer to sodomize an annual in escaping incarceration twice after his arrest three and a half years after numerous sex crime convictions as juvenile the outrage numerous cars. he's still arcing conviction. Numerous escapes and people have been imprisoned for decades in california for selling weed. Fucking absurd robert platz horn leader of what d- da once dubbed the black tuna gang spent the mid to late seventies smuggling. We'd into the us from columbia before he was busted in nineteen seventy eight. He had five hundred tons of pot is what they charged him with importing and he sends to thirty years in prison. He served twenty eight released in two thousand eight guys who can't stop trying to four kids three and a half years guys who Bring great times to thousands of people lot twenty eight years. It's almost like a lot of people who decide what are laws are fucking idiots and a two thousand interview about nineteen fifty one crime. Parnell would say he kidnapped and molested that boy. His wife was pregnant and he quote had to find another outlet had to he had to find another outlet. He couldn't just jerk off. No sir would it be great. 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A nineteen fifty five at the bull shit sentence. Ever he and his wife have a daughter while he's in prison. He was released on the condition that he receive regular psychiatric treatment. And then he just didn't do that is like i want to go. You fucking didn't didn't suffer any consequences. He did get in trouble for violating parole by leaving san francisco where he'd been released and returning to bakersfield to be with mama huma back behind bars for a couple months then got out. Had his parole agreement transferred to bakersfield and moved back home in early. Nineteen fifty seventy gets divorced from his first wife. Patchy joe that august he remarries to emma. Naomi schaefer is another daughter with her. Thank god he wouldn't stick around to parent either. One of these kids doubt did was above molesting his own kin. In the summer of nineteen sixty he moved in utah with a second wife and second daughter. He'd already completely abandoned his first daughter up gas station with with a revolver. Soon after settling in. No shots were fired. He makes one hundred fifty bucks up enough for long. He is quickly arrested. The nine hundred sixty one. He ascends to five years to life for robbery and one to ten years for grand larceny a lot more punishment than he received for kidnapping and sexually assaulting a young child does he sent to the utah state. Prison draper south of salt lake city. Shortly into his sentence his second wife divorces him he would never see her or his second daughter ever again. It's his ged in prison. Then he's released in september of nineteen sixty seven and then he's kicked the fuck out of utah seriously. Part of his release condition was to leave and never again re enter the state of utah. A love it. I didn't know states ever did that doesn't happen anymore. They got rid of these laws but states when there are fewer civil rights laws and the ones that did exist. One enforces often. They could just ban you as part of your release conditions. They could be like wolf. If we fucking see you again you go back to prison Thirty six parnell now headed to phoenix and actually they stopped doing that because other states have started doing it back to them and it became this weird stupid game like get fucking. Get out of here and then california. There's no you have to get out of here. And then we'd like to send people around the world this ridiculous. This doesn't work anyway. Thirty six personnel now heads to phoenix where he works is short. Order cook at a greyhound track claims. He left that job to work as a cook. For the playboy club that existed in phoenix. That time but may just been bullshitting later prisoner view. He says he got married for the third time in. Nineteen sixty eight but wouldn't say whom legal records not back up. This claim by nine hundred seventy. He's back with mama and bakersfield. It seems his third marriage. If the if it was over by now must have been overjoyed to have her sweet baby dirtbag boy back to her sweet living word. Things wouldn't work out with mama for long. Move out a few weeks later. Maybe she found on baby boy looking at kiddie porn. Or leering kids at the park or address little outfit singing and dancing in front of her and living room me. not putt. short and stout here is mahan. Here is my spout teapot. Your forty year old pedophile ex-con. It can't keep a woman around. it was abandoned least. Two kids i know can get out kind of a house march. Seventh nineteen seventy two kennedy drives from bakersfield to yosemite national park one hundred seventy miles almost due north leaving his lengthy criminal and psychiatric history off his job application. He's hired in april to be the night auditor at yosemite lodge guessing. They would for sure not hired him had they known who he really was. So it says here. you're a sexual psychopath. And a predator. Not above a little armed robbery. What i like it not afraid to play by your own rules. This is exactly the kind of guy we're looking here For here at the lodge eight months later. On december fourth nineteen seventy-two parnell will duct kerry standard seven year. Old brother stephen. He abducted him when he should have still been prison to pull off. Stephen steiner's abduction cornell enlists edward irving murphy co worker. The assembly watch murphy's been described in sources as a drifter who is slow witted and easily manipulated by parnell. It's true or not but some sources claim that parnell convinced murphy that he just wanted to son to raise as his own in a christian home a former coworker parnell and murphy a do semi lodge ralph lurking would later describe murph as those who knew him called him as a kind of person that if you need twenty five dollars and he only had twenty he would give you the twenty that he had and then he would go out and borrow another five dollars to give that to you so maybe he was good. Do just simple. Maybe or maybe murph was back in just hit it like so many. Do dirtbag or fool murph approach stephen on his way home from school acting on instructions from parnell murph was passing out gospel. Text two boys walking home from school that day. He spots stephen walks out to him. Claims to be a representative from a church that needs donations. He asked if steven's mother would be willing to donate to this church. Stephen said she probably would murph than ask stephen where he lived if he could take murph to his house. Stephen degrees you know he's a little kid. Guy seems nice parnell pulls up white buick. Stephen gets into the car thinking he's headed home and his family would not see this poor kid again. For seven years parnell. I took steven to a cabinet. Kathy's valley or cafes valley about sixty miles from ucla lodge parnell worked in twenty two miles north of stevens home and mercedes or says eighty one miles but a two hour drive from yosemite from the lodge. Their armor said sixty miles from el portal. Were stephen brother kerry standard later. Working kill and very first night after presenting stephen with the manchester terrier puppy he named queenie queenie a puppy cornell's mother had actually just given him parnell began molesting stephen forcing them to perform felicia on him over and over again by the same thing that happened to him when he was a kid. So if anybody should know how fucking horrific. That is a tim then he begins full on only raping the sixty pound child. Thirteen days later in december seventeenth. Stephen was still young. He didn't understand what was happening to him. He would say later. He didn't even know what sex was didn't know who's molested. He stated later that after his abduction that it was just scary and confusing. But he didn't understand how actually wrong it was. Stephen repeatedly talk told parnell that he wanted to go home to part out now replied that his parents couldn't afford to keep him anymore and that a judge had given parnell legal custody of him against kids. Seven first or second grade. Parnell begins calling stephen. Dennis gregory parnell says that's her name now keeping stevens real name and real birthday when he would later enroll him in various schools. After a few weeks to move away from kathy's kathy's valley wide because parnell found out that in one hell of a coincidence stevens maternal grandfather had just moved into a trailer about two hundred feet from the cabin. He was keeping stephen holy shit. If stephen would've seen his grandpa he would've screamed and screamed loud enough. His grandpa may have heard him and seven years of hell would have been reduced to a few weeks or the two moved frequently around california after this they. I drive to santa rosa just over fifty miles north of san francisco. Eighteen months bounce around the santa rosa area between ratty motels low income slums usually pain by the week while parnell works a series of menial labor jobs As a short order cook usually leaving. Stephen wherever they were staying was too young have been to manipulated to leave. He didn't know where to go. Parnell had convinced him that a judge really had given him custody. That is family really was okay with that. The actually couldn't afford him his first christmas away from his family. Cornell brings him presence you know he raps raps. He's presents for me. Gets a toy gun a toy bow and arrow hot wheels race. Track set really fucking with his kids. Mind his provider and the predator the constantly bounce back and forth between father figure and rapist cornell soon started hiring babysitters to watch. Tv while he worked Before the first one arrived. Ken indoctrinated dennis slashed even with parnell. Family background though. Not the complete truth in parnell caution. Dennis never to ever say anything to anyone about is being taken from her said or the by then almost daily sexual abuse threatening dennis with a severe spanking and being locked up in a children's home for years should he ever say anything about their secrets after christmas. Ken begins working as day front. day front desk clerk at santa rosa holiday inn on january. Second nineteen seventy-three. He registered stephen in the second grade at steel lane. Elementary school in the bellevue union school district. He's pulling off his fucked up evil fantasy. Everyone thinks his kid is his actual son by this time. Parnell had brainwashed even into really thinking that You know he was. Stevens adoptive father the following school year. Parnell actually Goes to the home of the parents of a kid. Who had been picking on stephen and sticks up for him so strange right he still continuously raping him but also protecting him and other ways spoiling him in some ways he soon let stephen start to drink in early. Age allows him to smoke firstly. Come and go as he pleases sometime. In mid nineteen seventy four parnell brings a woman home. He'd known for about a year he and stephen had recently moved and she and her husband. Bob or neighbors. Stephen was Best friends with her son. Kenny and now one night this woman bar barbara mathias. After separating from bob or husband comes home drunk with kenneth parnell and parnell makes his nine year old son well son in quotes fakes on have sex with her. So now he's being shared with other paedophiles. Barbara and kenneth would live together for eighteen months and according to stephen barbara with him on nine separate occasions during that time a stephen enter puberty in late. Nineteen seventy four are now began to look for another child to kidnap telling stephen. He wanted to quote build his family. So fucking gross. How much you hate. This dude now can try to get steven to facilitate the kidnapping for him. But all their attempts mysteriously failed after which would berate sometimes beat steven for being incompetent Stephen begins to question his origin story. With parnell he began to to the story about a judge ordering cornell. Custody was bullshit you begin to understand. The cornell is a kidnapper that he had been kidnapped years later interview. Stephen would admit to intentionally sabotaging parnell's attempts to kidnap other kids after botched kidnap attempt outside of the santa rosa. Boys club kenneth barbara and stephen who now identified as dentists or has been identified as dennis for quite some time move eighty miles north to willits small town in mendocino. County a willis has around five thousand people and random trivia on october sixteenth. Eighteen sixty seven election day that year a long running. Local family feud in willits between the frost and coats families came to a head. One families for the confederacy was pro. Union and near the voting booth boots. They got to john with each other. The talk turned into fisticuffs. And soon some guns were drawn and the brawl turn into downtown shootout leaving four coats family members one frost family member dead and three others wounded hogle doc. That's one hell of a family feud match. Will it's stephen slash denison roles in a new school. He's in fourth grade by the end of that year. He knows for sure what parnell is doing to him sexually in. How truly wrong it is. He knows what rape is. Now at sodomy is What was still frequently happening to him. Due to parnell being unable to hold down a job. And we'll it's the trail then moves again to fort bragg and mendocino county thirty four miles west right in the coast. Another town of about five thousand people and fort bragg stephen get arrested for shoplifting. he's ten now. It's the first time he'd come into direct contact with the police even kidnapped he would say later. He didn't even consider reporting kenneth for kidnapping and raping him. He was too worried about the police now believing him about how how hard he would get spanked with a belt for being caught shoplifting. In the spring of nineteen seventy-six are other pedophile. Barbara has her. Divorce with bob finalized gets full custody of her four youngest children. One being kenny. Stevens best friend and now they're all living together mendocino county and then kenneth soon tries to molest kenny and kenny fights. Him off tells his mom soon afterwards. But not right afterwards because barbara was a fucking piece of shit to barbara and her kids move out and by july nineteen seventy-six. It's jus- kennedy and stephen again now alone with parnell. Once more the race become much more frequent soon. Kenan stephen move again. Just thirty miles. North to calm she. California another little census designated place on the coast only around one hundred fifty people a fair amount of other communities around it and the to live here for over four years and stephen later say that he loved his life in kaci he said. I spent a normal life at com she. I went through school. I played in the football team. I went to the routine of marijuana. The kids experience i experienced my first date is every kid experienced. I had a lot of friends. I love the place. I didn't think too much about my own family back then. I was afraid of my end up at a boys home. So i just really thought. Why don't i just leave. Well enough alone. Had this poor kid. Stephen love most of his life. Of course a copy. He didn't love All of it because the sexual abuse was continuing now he would save this time years later because of the sexual abuse. I was always scared of parnell and a lot of time. I felt violence towards him. I bet the sex just whenever he felt like it. It was really fast when he was in the mood. we did. It just took a couple of minutes and it was over. I was dressed in out the door. The anal intercourse was painful. Porno screwed me about one hundred times and about half the time. He's split my. But jesus christ it hurt but he just ignored me. It was like in the case of a man raping a woman. The man is not thinking about the woman's feelings cornell had a split personality when urge hit him he was somebody different and after he done it with me. He always just went on like nothing had happened. We just sit down and have a meal or something. Just do it. We'd normally do my god. It's been going on for four years now. Started when he was seven. Parnell's stephen is just become his his new normal. What an incomprehensible evil and selfish thing to do somebody. Kenneth also molested You know some of stephen's friends. At least three to nude pictures of a fourth to newt nude pictures of stephen proposition. Several other kids tried to kidnap others. And he didn't get in trouble for fucking any of this by mid nineteen seventy-nine. Ken sexual interests in stephen now. Eighteen is waning. And he's beginning to look more seriously for another kid to kidnap. He again tries to get steven to help him. The to move to a nearby place called mountain view ranch in nineteen seventy nine near boone bill. California twenty twenty one miles southwest of yuchai. That fall stephen becomes a freshman at mendocino high school. Even though it's forty miles away whereas friends are dennis. I'm sorry stephen tries out for wins. A starting position on the mendocino high high school freshman football team in can still of course pretending to be his dad. goes home to go to home. Games cheers on the kitty kidnapped. Almost seven years earlier. Had been abused ever since so fucking weird and by the way dennis i say that sometimes it's because he was going by dennis now late nineteen seventy nine. After the football season. Tired of driving stephen slash janice domenichino stephen transfers to the much closer point arena. High school and. Ken is now trying to talk. Stephen again Into kidnappings you know. Numerous ones around santa rosa. He keeps refusing finally. Can talk a friend of steven's into helping him a kid named sean portman. Now why did sean agreed to help him. Other than for some extra money that kenneth was paying him. I don't. I don't know local from the area. The time seemed to paint sean as a troubled youth who It was a local drug dealer. A lot of kids didn't want there are a lot of parents. They want their kids around him with ken. also molesting sean grooming some white. I would say probably but never proven on february fourteenth nineteen eighty valentine's day. Parnell and sean kidnap five year old timothy white and you kaya california and this kidnapping finally motivated stephen to escape. He didn't want to see a young boy. Go through what he had gone through so he decides to bring timothy back to his real parents on march first nineteen eighty while parnell is away tonight security job. He just recently taken before he had raped. Five year. Old timothy white. Stephen leaves with timothy and hitch hikes into yucai. Steven didn't know timothy's home address so instead he just walks him into a police station asks for help. Once inside the station. Stephen tells police his story. The whole story an exhaustive search of missing child posters and several interogations confirms. That stephen was the missing child. He claimed to be stevens written. Police statement given in the early hours of march second included the following. My name is steven steiner. I am fourteen years of age. I don't know my true birthdate. But i use april eighteenth nineteen sixty five. I know my first name is steven. I'm pretty sure my last is steiner. And if i have a middle name. I don't know it. By daybreak the following morning cornell has been arrested again. The nightmares over for stephen and timothy. Both kids are reunited with their families and now get ready to get more upset. Meets axe justice will not be served. Kenneth parnell was tried for kidnapping stained and white but not charged for any of the sexual abuse committed. Not try for that none of it. Why well it's a little complicated. But basically after digging around it. Sounds like the mendocino district attorney at the time had shit for brains fucking terrible. His job sounds like a lot of people. Really fucked up parnell's case In some of the laws at the time on the books were really ridiculous as well. The mercer county district attorney's office. Where stephen have been kidnapped and initially raped when interviewed later. Said that they were led to believe that the mendocino county. Da's office or the trial would take place would prosecute parnell for his many sexual assaults on steven assaults committed in their jurisdiction. The mercedes police department had interviewed stephen after he returned home to his family. And they documented based on. Stevens confessions evidence of stephen having been raped eighty seven times for whatever legal stuff but this is so ridiculous because of a crazy three year statute of limitations law having passed On the initial murr said county rapes. Since stephen had been kidnapped for seven years hadn't been in the county You know For well over three years. They couldn't prosecute those rapes basically parnell was rewarded for being really good at kidnapping had he stayed. Stephen mercer county had he been caught after raping steven for two and a half years human sent to prison for life. No question no possibility of parole. But since he took stephen out of the county kept him away for more than seven years. They couldn't legally prostrating for the crimes. Committed they're fucking for the molestation crops and the mer said police department was then furious when parnell wasn't prosecuted for the sex crimes by the mendocino counties. Da within the statute of limitations. So why were those crimes prosecuted. We'll mendocino county chief. A criminal d george mclure said essentially that mendocino county district attorney's investigator dick fin fucked this case. He was terrible at his job that he had no-balls when the clearer learned that moore said police had provided fin with evidence of parnell's eighty-seven separate sexual assaults on steven plus of sexual assaults on nearly a dozen other boys who weren't named in the sources he angrily told. Mike echols the author of the book. One of our best sources for this episode. I know my first name is steven. that finn never shared any of this with him prior to deciding what charges to hang on cornell he said if in fact these assaults happened and if there was sufficient evidence there that i could put on a good case then i would blame whoever it was that was supposed to give them to me and that person was dick fin clear said fin thought the kidnapping charges. Were just easier to convict on than the pedophilia charges. He said that finn said to him regarding the sexual assaults We're not going to only further on it because you probably aren't going to be able to do anything much anyway. He thought it'd be really expensive. Ultimately would not end in convictions and it seems like everyone else around him at least looking back with hindsight thinks he's fucking crazy. Thought that because parnell was not charged with any of the sex crimes and only charged with two counts of kidnapping because at the time in california. It has changed. Since the maximum sentence for kidnapping was seven years and both kidnapping charges would run concurrently instead of consecutively. This motherfucker was sentenced to prison for seven years and nine hundred eighty one after all that bullshit hurt. And he would only sur five less time than he'd kidnap stephen four. How truly disgusting. Like what fucking colossal failure by the system. Right the laws on the books that time. Fucking bullshit edward murphy. Will murph own murph dawg pornos accomplished from stevens original kidnapping was sentenced to five years imprisonment paroled after two Porn teenage friend. Who helped parnell and timothy's kidnapping with sends to a terminal. Juvie were camp and barbara mathias. Parnell's girlfriend the one who allegedly raped nine times never charged with shit. She cooperated with authorities in parnell's trial to avoid charges. What an insult to the victims We're to change the way people can cooperate with authorities to avoid punishment. I think by the way to do that is to make a lot of the punishments much more severe like if the punishment for hurting kids was for example being pulled apart by team horses or slowly being skinned alive. Just having your skin played off or really slowly lowered into it like a giant boiling cauldron of oil. Then the plea bargain could be not as severe as that but still pretty fucking hardcore like you can testify against your pto. An only ended up with being electrocuted or like only life in prison. I know is spit ball. Just trying to tell some thoughts around because you got out a few years. Parnell's life of misdeeds didn't stop there of course he didn't. That's what makes this story so much more disturbing or fucked up. Priority is having criminal justice system. Lets out a monster. And to no one with half a brain surprise he continues to be exactly what he was a monster. I i just can't stand people who think that these people can be rehabilitated. No they can't know they fucking can't when you're when you're this much of dedicated predator. You should just be fucking killed on january. Two thousand three finally away from the price of the parole officer. Been checking with for a while. Parnell is arrested yet again. This is preposterous. He tries to coerce his caregiver into buying him a four year old boy. He's kept going younger porno. This time is seventy one years old. He's in poor health. He suffering from diabetes and infra zima he suffering from other ailments brought on by a stroke. He needs almost twenty four hour a day nursing care in the cluttered apartment in the two thousand six hundred block of matthew street. He lives in in berkeley. He was on a whole barely alive but his evil dick. The most alive part of him by far on the edge of death still wants to fuck more kids the caregiver. Diane stevens is aware of parnell's past cooperate with police and set up a sting operation. She hates his piece of shit. Fuck inhale diane stevens. That would lead to his arrest. She pretends to have a lead on a kid who is not real and then he gets arrested. According to stevens later testimony parnell requested that the child have a clean rectum. Jesus christ which indicates exactly what this piece of shit had might he was just a fuck. This guy was such a heinous. Just evil boehner just happened to have a body attached to it. Parnell paid one hundred dollars for birth certificate. Had four hundred dollars him for the completion of the transaction. He was to receive the child on january. Third two thousand and three instead. He's arrested that day He told authorities. I wanted a family I had a real weird notion what a family was. Parnell was convicted February nine thousand four on the charges of attempting to purchase a child and attempted child. Molestation didn't get charged with a sex crime and stephen steiner's case did get charged with a sex crime in this instance. The kid he wanted to molest didn't really exist Hopefully an indication that Better sex offender laws now exists in there used to be. The prosecution successfully argued that objects of a sexual nature and pornography found in the apartment. Fucking almost dead cells. His point along with his testimony were enough to prove that parnell's intentions were criminal and sexual in nature. of course they were prosecutor. Tim wellman very familiar with the steven steiner case. His case before the jury by showing a slide. Show of stephen steiner marked by the number one then timothy white marked by the number two then a blank screen marked by the number three to show that the child would have been abducted. Police hadn't been notified would offer sherban Awesome illicit women said parnell was looking for one last hurrah one last stevens. -tainer one last timmy. White porno remain incarcerated until his death on january twenty first two thousand eight at california medical facility in vacaville california. He died of natural causes at seventy six years old. He had finally been sense to twenty five years to life under california's three strikes law which is great we years ago. You got in that same sense. For selling molly lsd. You could have gotten caught selling molly to music festival attend three times and received the same sense as someone who is kidnapping repeatedly. Fuck three different kits or mary multiple different kits. I mean not. Not that third gigs. Kid was real not necessarily tim white. But lots of kids So good job. Court system makes a lot of sense Glad that a lot of importance have been decided by the best and brightest minds. Luckily the three strikes laws in california was finally modified in two thousand twelve to not be as harsh to nonviolent offenders proposition thirty six said revised the three strikes law to impose life sentence only when a new felony conviction is serious or violent. Okay done with. Kenneth parnell now crazy. How insane all was. And it doesn't have anything to do directly with the yosemite killer story. we set out to look into. Today kerry steiner but indirect. I think has a lot to do with yosemite killer. Although kerry standard wasn't legally one of kenneth parnell's victims he definitely was a victim of parnell. A man he never met. It's just so easy to mention the families victims. Just leave it at that. 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Sixty one carries steiner is born in merced california an agricultural town of about sixty five thousand people this across the eastern flank of the san joaquin valley calls itself the gateway to yosemite as of the two thousand ten u s census said county's population was just over two hundred fifty. Five thousand up from just over two hundred ten thousand at the two thousand census and the total area of the county is approximately one thousand nine hundred eighty square miles Google says roughly two hundred eighty thousand there now and the city of mercedes the county seat and its largest city. The county name derives from the merced river or west us. In your data. Mercedes' mercedes the river of our lady of mercy was named in eighteen. O six by an expedition headed by gabriel moraga which came upon at the end of a hot dusty ride on kerry would grow but in pretty pretty idyllic blue car blue-collar said community despite what happened to his brother steiner. His three sisters cindy corey and jody and his younger brother. Stephen raised in a little green singled house on bet street in lower in lower middle class neighborhood at the edge of town. We weren't able to find birthdates for cynthia or cindy korean. Jodi very little is written about them Even the book on stephen that would go on to be adapted to become a tv minister mini series and movie. I know my first name is steven. Doesn't mention his sister's a carey steiner true crime biography titled seventy killer also doesn't mention them. I'd look at her. Dad's obituary and stevens obituary and one of them being mentioned in an la times article to confirmed that the even you know for sure existed corean. Steven's father dilbert steiner was a mechanic who worked for various canneries. Made a solid middle class paycheck. Their mom k. ran a daycare business. Worked a food service. Jobs in high school cafeterias three and a half years after carries born on april eighteenth nineteen sixty-five. His baby brother. Stephen also born Around this time well. Before kenneth parnell enters the picture carry starts to show stein signs of mental instability. He begins to nervously pull his hair out ends up wearing a hat to hide all the hair. He's pulled out his getting diagnosed as having a. It's tricky till mania trico till mania an impulse control disorder. The causes people to pull their own hair out this. This disorder is classified under obsessive compulsive and related disorders and involves recurrent irresistible urges to pull hair from the scalp eyebrows eyelids other areas of the body. Despite repeated attempts to stop or decrease hair point other mental health disorders people with trick. Attila mania often have depression and obsessive compulsive disorder. High levels of stress tend to trigger tricky attilo mania with little carry super stressed out Young that a new boy showed up in the family. Took some attention away from him. I don't know maybe was. He stressed out about something else going on at home. Maybe weird stuff going on and steiner household. And i feel like we'll never know the full details about one source of biography. Written by jack rosewood about carey says that while the steiner mom k. was emotionally distant and not affectionate the child's The children's father dilbert was too affectionate. Delve it was ordered into treatment of early childhood after being accused of sexually molesting one of his daughters. He was apparently never charged. But if true. This accusation doesn't show and source. I can find. Maybe things weren't as idyllic as they seemed in the household Any other source. Yeah Tricky philomena. we'll be the first of many mental disorders. Experts would diagnose and kerry by the time he was thirty eight. A doctorate testified during the trial that he had more than twenty signs of mental illness. Dr went on to report various disorders They believed steiner suffered from including narcissistic personality. Disorder and schizophrenia. Unfortunately for young kerry clearly struggling with some of his thoughts. His parents were real against therapy. they did take him to see someone would. He almost pulled his hair out. But in general dilbert saw wanting to go. Talk to someone about your feelings as a sign of weakness. He didn't like Going to see a therapist because you know make him confront his own. Pedophilia that's true carries aunt anna jones who live nearby at the time said it would have helped had gotten some therapy but you just didn't think of it back then you told yourself you were strong you can handle it And i do bet. The overwhelming majority of american blue collar families weren't big on therapy back in nineteen sixty five unfortunate sure but also typical of the time. Outside of some extreme hair pulling carey's early childhood seemed to be free from any major traumas starting when carey was a small boy. This danger family vacation together. And you'll seventy and the high country surrounding it often. They'd pile into the center. Family van drive sixty or so miles east to camp fish hike sometimes haunting beautiful mountains around late nineteen sixty eight early nineteen sixty nine. According to what steiner later told investigators as well as a news reporter. He started fantasizing about killing women He recalled a particular incident while shopping with his mom Musing about shooting all of the store employees but couple problems with this Possible memory i. He was when he reported this. Really trying to get out of a life in prison sentence or a death sentence by getting in an insanity defense plea hit a lot of motivation to convince the judge he had been from pathological murderous impulses for years and second. I also thought about fantasizing. Or i also sorry a fantasizes about killing people back in early childhood. It's normal come on right status. I'm doing that shit my whole life and i've yet kill anyone guy staying not. Jk actually people can be really fucking annoying ashamed to say i find tremendous joy and thinking about eliminating strangers from the planet on a daily basis. I find very cathartic Kind of physical masturbation. Can i think help prevent people from making terrible sexual decision. Like cheating on a partner Some mental murder masturbation in my opinion can keep you from stabbing the fuck out of some asshole at the bar. Who can't seem to keep his drunk ass from bumper over again and not acknowledging it keeps you from actually doing that then again I don't know maybe maybe we're both crazy. And and again maybe kerry steiner was having thoughts and he was a kid or maybe he was just beefing up his eventual insanity defense for his crimes cousin of steiner's ronnie jones would later remember standard being antisocial round girls when he was younger he wondered years later. If this indicated that may be carry was having dark thoughts about women He said he'd doodle pictures of naked girls in a notepad and Am i carry her. When when i was in grade school i also was socially awkward around girls They may be nervous. And i also drew naked. Girls are no pet not sure what was going on with. Carrie my impulse to doodle naked girls came from a. I like to think less from kind of pathological type of perversion and more from an inability to find pornography in my tiny idaho hometown. I literally make my own porn. Hilas savina weird maybe but forever Later carey and cousin. Ronnie would frequently mirsaid river together and his ronnie would remember it when ronnie would run down to skinny dip with some girls. Carry refuse to join him. He thought that was weird. Now why was he refusing to join them. I don't know a did he You know wonder if he got naked around some naked girls He wouldn't be able to restrain himself from killing him or did he have a tiny. Ed kemper micro pin and he was just embarrassed. Mother wise he dragging my mic opinion to this episode. Does he forget. I'm still alive. Mother incarcerated the california medical facility in vacaville. I could escape at any moment. Mother head on a stick maybe kerry did have murderous impulses dark desires towards women. He was a kid or maybe he was just a typical kind of awkward boy and carry with lebanon late. Nineteen seventy two is somewhat idyllic. Childhood comes to an end. His uncle jerry steiner molest. The guy i mentioned is jesse earlier. Jerry stanton psychiatrist. George woods would later testify in court during carey's trial for murders that although the uncle sexual proclivities were well known to carries older male cousins allowed to take boys for overnights his tiny apartment. What the hell's going on in this family right they got like a known pedophile uncle. Dad's going accounting for some type of station situation with at least one of his daughters. God what the fuck is going on here. Why are these kids. Heading over for a sleepover with uncle. Gerbera angle sleepover seem suspicious. I wouldn't let my kids. Go over for sleepover gerbera. Excuse me i is that sex to me. Because he's dude because that is why wouldn't wanna let the kids over there. Because what i care as much as if it was a sleepover with an aunt and i wouldn't i wouldn't care as much why mostly because of stats because the math doesn't lie. According to race to as dot org race against abuse of children everywhere in estimated eighty to ninety percent of sexual offenders are male while only ten to twenty percent of offenders are female. And that's actually kind of on the high end. According to a two thousand and nineteen conversation dot com article referencing. Numerous studies current research. They say suggests that only between one percent and nine percent of sexual predators. Are women overwhelmingly a lot. More uncle sleepovers have kid doodling on the list of activities. Auntie sleepovers do which really sucks. I know for all the good uncle's out there. I'm sure the overwhelming majority of uncles are safe. Still you don't wanna give those lone wolf mobile's some extra eyeballing for you pack. Your kids sleepover back for their house. Sexist or not. I never let my kids stay the night with a with just do a random family dude other than their step. Dad was a good guy but with him. I used to grow my kids about good touches bad touches all that shit you know. Maybe i'm paranoid. I don't care i'm okay with my kids paranoid crazy. It makes me feel safer helps. Keep them safer. Anyway at the sleepover uncle jair can't keep his wing clean. Showed carl and his cousin nude pictures girls. Then he invited young girls so he shot him kiddie porn. Then he invites the two young boys sleep in his bed with him. Then in the middle of the night stained wakes up to find. The uncle removing his underwear tempting to molest him carries able to get out of the bed. Avoid we could have been worse but the incident still serious still traumatic. Uncle jair charged later convicted for child molestation and then whatever attention is paid to carry in regards to him You know healing from this event. It's over in a flash. If you need therapy which. I imagine he did. He didn't get it if needed to talk to. His parents doesn't seem like he got much of that either just a few weeks later. All the families attention turned towards his brother's disappearance on december fourth. Nineteen seventy two as you learn earlier carries little brother seven year old stephen abducted by kenneth. Parnell that fucking devil carey is eleven carries childhood friend. Mike marquees or marchesi Later said in one thousand nine hundred nine. After stevens kidnapping carey was very upset. I heard stories about him going out and wishing on a star that his brother would come home. I believe he was supposed to have been with his brother. So i believe that there was some guilt with carey on the fact that maybe he felt a little responsible. God think about that thing with the guilt and eleven year old feels when he's supposed to walk his little brother home from school doesn't and then is whether gets abducted guessing. His parents yelled at him more than a few times over this. What does that do to an eleven year old head. Shortly after stephen doesn't make it home from school after exploring the route he took between home and school. His parents sound the alarm. They call the police. They search and search and search posters or put up all over the place. Stevens picture is shown on the news. It's a big story around. Moore said a parent's worst nightmare kid goes missing on the way home from school. Volunteers looking all over the place. There's an intense search for many weeks. Flyers put up for months but as we know they've found nothing now for the next seven years. The only traces of stephen gregory steiner steiner family home are snapshots and memories recollections of a quiet sweet boy who wants tended to a fall now who liked to rides his dad's tractor around on the family almond ranch near smelling. They put up. Billboards passed out. Leaflets consulted psychics. According to family friends they were never the same again. Could you be carry later. Said before steve disappeared. I always thought my dad was like the rock of gibraltar never trembled at all all of a sudden one day december fourth. Nineteen seventy two. A little brother is gone and my dad is crying. All of a sudden never saw my dad had a tear in his. I'm my whole life. All of a sudden life changed carries. Mom kay born roman catholic. Who left the church over being emotionally and physically abused in a catholic boarding school such an abuse in this family. Then join the. Lds faith Raise families mormons. She becomes cold and distant seldom displaying physical affection towards children. She loses herself in her sorrow. Interfaith trying to make sense of it. All k- would later tell people magazine in an in an interview. I'm more or less closed up. I didn't leave the house for a year. And if i had to someone else had to be there. In case d. became home. I chose to believe he was alive. Dilbert was openly devastated by the loss of his son. According to some his favorite son he said in that same people interview. I went beserk for a time. I'd ride around on my pickup with sawed off shotgun on the seat. In case i saw someone with stevie began to suspect everyone had something to do with friends. Neighbors even family members. If a child dies you bury the child with a missing child. Not in your chest it never leaves so this families fucking destroyed kerry would sometimes find his father. Rummaging through stevens dresser drawers weeping. Hobart wants chewed. Carry out for painting over the name steven that his younger brother had scratched once into the garage. Door carries aunt Said that the four kids remaining entertainers stay in. Her house became like ghosts in a house filled with heartbreak. She said maybe the kids didn't get as love as they should have. Because of all the pain and sorrow around this time kerry starts acting out a bit especially towards women. He exposes himself to one of his sisters friends at sleepover not sure what her age was. I think it was close to his age. Not sure how serious it was either. Kids do do weird shit. And of course he's acting out. Why wouldn't he act out. Who would act out you know. His parents don't seem available to talk to about anything that's going on. He's not talking to therapists carries place to escape. The emotional pain of all this is to go to yosemite head out to nature by the time he's a teenager. He's accomplished outdoorsman and favorite outdoor destinations are in yosemite. He's also spend a lotta time on his drawings in high school. He finds a measure of self expression as a cartoonist. For the high school newspaper the statesman showing much promise that classmates assume he will someday draw his own comic strip professionally. His cartoons are featured throughout the yearbook humorous caricatures of his fellow students playing tennis looking cheerful. And silly he's voted most creative at his school his senior year in nineteen seventy nine and i get the feeling. His parents didn't really give a shit about his accolades here. Or doodles martin. Purdy a friend of both the steiner brothers remembered kerry as kind of a quiet guy. Our days would be just get under bikes in the morning. Go to the park. Hang out with friends or skateboard would later say to. Abc news classmates also remembered curious. Shy and modest. He had no interest in talking about his brother. Well yeah i mean. Why would he want to talk about that. Hey steve sit next to eat. Hey so like you'll growth like still missing right like for years now man we think did probably dead. That's what i think. We're supposed to walk him home from school. That day sucks man. I feel like me man. You shit what was wrong man. He seems sad. You don't want to talk about one of the most painful memories of your life right now at school weird wherever did you fucking bumming me out. Man i'm outta here. march second. Nineteen eighty stephen is reunited with his family at fourteen years old carries eighteen. Shock is is he graduate. he graduated high school about nine months earlier. He's still living at home curious returning from a camping trip and yosemite with some friends. Here's a radio report. That is fourteen year old brother. Stephen escaped from his abductor. And it will be arriving in said that afternoon carey later tells reporters that he almost drove his car into the merced river. He was so excited to see the brother he had assumed for years was dead. Can you imagine that that mind. Fuck holy shit thinking. You've lost someone. A child sibling parent. Whoever you're close with for seven years then they show for the house that day. Stephen comes home to a hero's welcome moves back into the tiny bedroom. He'd once shared with kerry years earlier. The contrast between the two brothers very stark despite going through hell and back. Stephen is cheerful engaging a people pleaser outgoing very willing to talk about his experience Carey quiet sullen loaner. A bruder steven despite having been subjected to continue hor for years is by all appearances a happy. Go lucky jovial kid. He soon gets girlfriend right. He's quick to smile carries the opposite not quick to smile shows. No interest in girls no interest in most other people as a small circle of friends. Outside of that is a loner who likes to be outside the woods and these two brothers who were closed before stephen was taken do not become as thick as thieves upon even return. There's tension almost immediately i. There's the massive media attention to deal with for the family a true crime book a tv movie Both title. I know my first name is steven are made about the ordeal. Within days of his return home. Stephen is on good morning. America is parents are over the moon to have their kid back. of course they are. It was a nonstop stephen steiner household. Now and this all left carry feeling really jealous in an interview with j. t. miller a screenwriter who spent a long period with the steiner's doing research for a nine hundred eighty nine nbc miniseries. He vented his frustrations about his brother. Kerry told miller his head was all bloated out. We never really got along well. After he came back all of a sudden st was getting all these gifts getting all this clothing his attention. I guess i was jealous. Yeah i'm sure i was. I got put back on. I got put on the back burner. You might say then in the midst of getting this attention. Stephen starts acting out and having problems at home right if returning to his family. Stephen has trouble adjusting to a more structured household. Because with our nell he'd been allowed to smoke. Drink do what. He pleased in an interview with newsweek. Shortly after his escape. Stevens said i returned almost a grown man and yet my parents saw me as Saami i as their seven-year-old after they stopped trying to teach me the fundamentals all over again it got better. Why doesn't my dad hug anymore. Everything has changed. Sometimes i blame myself. I don't know. Sometimes if i should have come home would have been better off or what i have been better off if i didn't that's fucked up and so fucked up about the dead. This not hugging should has mentioned in several sources interviews makes me sick stevens said in another interview that his dad would not look him in the eye after he comes back was not affectionate at all with him once. He heard what parnell had done to him. So true or not. Stephen seemed to interpret as dad's emotional distance as disgust regarding the sexual acts he'd been involved in it had been forced upon him. How fucked up. Stephen is now being emotionally re victimized made to feel shame over shit he never wanted to have happened in. The first place did was a hero to say that other kid little. Five year old timmy. White and his dad can't bring himself to even hug him stevens. Parents were also not supportive of their abducted son getting counselling after coming back home. Not good not a big fan of the steiner parents He told his dad Or he said later. His dad told him he didn't need any county. Stephen also ended up being bullied by other kids at school for being molested and eventually because that bullying drops out. How tragic is that. Kids can be such pieces of shit. Melissa for seven years and then your dad won't how'd you look you in the eye. And then also the kids at school. Mock you for being molested. Stephen begins to drink frequently. of course he does. He eventually kicked out of the family home before he turns eighteen. Meanwhile carry He's heading off to the mountains more more He'd become depressed towards the end of high school. He didn't really pursue a career as a cartoonist. Everybody said he should He didn't want to go to college a former friends that it was like. He just decided that he was a loser even though his pure sauce so much talent in him he sat around his room. A lot of the time smoked weed a bunch waiting for the next camping trip To a series of relatively menial jobs for the next eighteen years hauling furniture exterminating insects for pest control firm working for an aluminum company. Finally getting a job at the mercy glass and mirror company. That was his longest a term of employment there. He would work with mike moore cheesy that guy. We mentioned who would later recall about kerry. He'd say a woman was nice looking and he goes so far saying it would be nice to get together with her but nothing ever came of it. People thought it was odd. That carry never had a girlfriend because he seemed to like girls was smart talented and really good-looking. You described you. Know a lot of sources ruggedly handsome. They didn't know he suffered from rectal dysfunction at this time and was embarrassed by incredibly and that led to awkward feelings towards women and may lead toward a lot of anger towards women and more limp. Dick rich how much does this come. Up echoes a cheek. petilleau here. Why is big deal. So we have sought shame clock. Why not go to doctor. Then we have many triple now used to get it. Taken care of non sovereign bring misery to others. There are many medicine. Jk russell thought she could tiller was evolving for a second there into a better mitac. Nine hundred eighty five. Stephen singer now twenty mary seventeen year old. Jody edmonson despite all the shit. He's going through moving forward his life they dated for a year beforehand. The to go onto quickly have two kids together. Ashley and stephen junior are they struggled financially. As many young people do especially young parents. they live at first with jody's parents then with some cousins and their mobile home With three jobs between them despite these hardships thing seemed okay. Stephen seemed to be getting his life together. A more than his brother kerry was he worked with child. Abduction groups spoke to children about personal safety gave interviews about his kidnapping good for him. How fantastic right using. What happened to him to help others. Avoid the same fate but as nobles it gets did was a hero he'll nimrod stephen wanted to make sure nothing like that ever happened You know another kid again accompanied by his mother case stephen with testify before the ways and means committee of the state assembly on a bill that would penalties for kidnapping children in another requiring parents. To have their kids fingerprint. He also joined the church of jesus. Christ latter-day saints becoming a mormon like the rest of his family. He'd obviously not going to church with parnell. He got a job. He liked pizza hut and then on may twenty second ninety nine the made for tv movie. I know my first name is steven airs and while twenty four year old. Stephen is being treated as a bit of a local celebrity. His twenty seven year old brother kerry now getting way into bigfoot around this time kerry claims to have had an interaction with bigfoot. They saw him up. And your seventy bay did not see that twist coming. He's a prizes friends and family member by claiming to have seen big foot the legendary half man half of the pacific northwest desperate attempt to direct some attention away from stephen and onto himself. We hold on. I'm sorry someone's knocking at the suck dungeon doria now. This is uncomfortable. Yeah yeah Resume cryptology david children's here. I would not rush. To the speculative conclusion it carry lied about. Cnc ask watch in some kind of midst guided attention grab second washington state. You should know that california has the most total reported big sightings any united states many sasquatch sightings have been reported in yosemite found to be the home of the most bigfoot activity in the world He could also mistaken the fresno night. Crawler another humanoid cryptic off spotted n. semi for being a david. I keep telling you are. They never hired you to be a resident crip expert. I really is more like volunteer david. Please wait on hall. We can talk about this later. Yeah sure new problem. Sorry about the everybody carey did way into. Bigfoot is cousin kathy may said carey spoke about bigfoot. All the time She said he absolutely knew that it existed. You couldn't have told him anything different. Another family member who gave an anonymous interview said i remember when he first had told me and my brother of what he had seen he would go very blank in the face as if he's been very serious or like somebody was watching him he would tell us about the smell. The creature had that it was a lot bigger than him. We're very young. But we knew he wasn't playing a joke on us. I remember when i went to camp green meadows in the sixth grade. He told me to stay close to the teachers. No matter what do not go out at night he never really seen the same to me. After he thought he'd seen big foot so weird. Twist here The weird way the kerry talked about the creature made it difficult to know whether he feared it or identified with it Very strange tragedy then strikes again. Shortly after the premiere of that made for tv movie september sixteenth. Nine hundred eighty nine just over a month after. He's twenty eighth birthday when his younger brother. Stephen dies just before five pm. Stephen is finished with a shift at pizza hut at sixteenth g streets. It'd been raining heavily his manager. Todd smith suggested he drives the franchises pickup home and stay dry. Stephen reminded todd is licensed. Have been suspended that an accident in the truck might not be good for pizza business. He declines the offer. He rides off down. Santa fe drive on his motorcycle at four fifty five pm three miles later at a less. They posted fifty mile fifty five mph limit. He rams into a car that according to california highway patrol investigators pulled into the street ahead of his cycle at five. Thirty five pm at the mercy. Ed community medical center. Young stephen steiner is declared debt. The skull fractured. He died from massive brain trauma. The driver of the car none other than the man who abducted him all those years ago. Kenneth parnell that sexual predator had been released from prison several years earlier. Look and i even recognize him pulled out in front of his motorcycle. he'll be charged with manslaughter. And he'll serve sixty days in jail fucking kimmy. I'm actually seeing myself. That was fucking nonsense. Wasn't parnell that piece of shit was living free though nine hundred nine. I wouldn't be surprised if somebody that happened. This story. no. The driver was identified by officers as antonio herrera employees tomato packing company and he fled the scene. He later surrounded in tijuana was trying to the us arraigned on felony hit and run and manslaughter. Charges sad reckless ironic. In for stephen he died driving a motorcycle. He was not licensed to operate a balloon. White nine hundred eighty nine kawasaki. x five. Hundred wasn't wearing a helmet. He had bought the motorcycle with some of the thirty thousand dollars he had received for signing over the rights to his story for. I know my first name is steven. Five hundred people would attend his funeral. Timmy white the kid stephen saved when timmy was just five is now fourteen and his a pallbearer to even sisters cindy said. At his funeral she kept waiting for the telephone. To ring is so sad. She said someone will say. It's okay steve here. He's alive because that's what happened before. Jesus christ jody. His twenty year. Old widow was left with two children. Her husband's troubled legacy she found solace in the fact. Stephen wasn't hurt anymore from past trauma. She chose a special inscription for her husband's casket. It's going home the following year. Nineteen thousand nine hundred twenty eight year. Old carrie is now living with uncle. Jair yes that uncle jeter. Another weird twist until sleepover uncle jair. Keep his wing clean. How weird is that. What the fuck is going on in his family. He's the guy that was convicted of trying to molest him as a kid. Carried settled into a job repairing windows from her said glass. Jerry was a truck driver for a hay truck dispatcher. Excuse me for hey company later that year and lay december just before christmas forty two year old is found sprawled dead in his bedroom with a shotgun wound to the chest. Carey is questioned about the killing. He's the one who found jerry's body when he came home from work but he has an alibi. He said he'd been at work when the shooting took place he was not considered a suspect at the time. Police focused investigation are unknown vagrant. Who carry claimed had been lurking around the house shortly before the killing. That knows ever sell The vaguer was never found. The murder went unsolved. After carries her arrest later for four murders in yosemite police would begin looking at the possibility to carry was the one who probably jerry i. I'm gonna guess he did. Nineteen ninety-one carry attempt suicide by carbon monoxide inhalation is unsuccessful in his attempt that he receive any kind of psychiatric care afterwards. We don't know probably not next. Five years not allowed to report on kerry spend a lot of his time alone when he's not working at the mercy glass and mirror company He goes to yosemite. National park is often. He can't look for bigfoot. Not getting we're detail. We've got over a lot of serial killers here on time. I can't recall one Covering one before he was real into bigfoot or any other cryptos a psychiatrist who would later examined carey said kerry thought. Bigfoot was tied to quote the meaning of life. Okay the nineteen ninety-six maybe not Terribly mentally stable. Stephen loses his shit a former coworker. Again this guy mike. Marchesi goes out into the yard of the glass mirror company to find carey slamming his fist against a piece of wood and bleeding profusely from cuts from cuts on his hand. Mike asked him what was what was up. Carey says he feels like he's having a breakdown that he's nervous he doesn't know why he said he felt like getting in his truck driving into the office killing everyone there and burn the place down okay. Mic tells him he may have a chemical imbalance and carey. Says i've been told. I have but nothing's ever been done about it. I was hoping he'd say. I don't have a chemical imbalance. Bigfoot does he's the one who wants me to kill everyone don't you see. Don't you see company. Owner gordon echoes caught wind of what went on. He personally drives keri to immerse ed psychiatric center where he's council student afterwards. Siri a steiner comes back into the mirsaid glass and mirror office. Picks up his last paycheck and then they don't seem again ever. He tells former coworkers thinking of moving to santa cruz to pursue a cartoonist career. Unfortunately for future victims he would not do that instead after either. Not being able to get another job or not trying to he has to his happy place yosemite now to live there in one thousand nine hundred seven carries stay ahead to the little town of el portal just outside the park a little census designated place. We mentioned earlier now thirty five. He drives his car. Nineteen seventy two pale blue international scout to l. Tell before even looking for job the shows up in hopes they'll find one he soon he's doing finds one at the cedar lodge seven miles. Outside of yosemite a sprawling complex of rustic pine bungalows that straddled dimmer said river and begins working there as a handyman curates room above the cedar lodge restaurant lounge and nineteen fifties. Themed diner with red naga hide banquets and a vintage jukebox box. Sounds like a place. I would love. And he does odd jobs round the motel. Who's a cool guy who mixed easily with the rest of the staff. According to a waitress at the diner she'd say at night we'd hang out watch a video in somebody's room. He was totally likeable. He was ordinary. No it wasn't sometime. In nineteen ninety eight carry starts to data woman whose daughter laid it an abc interview. Going by the name of lenna lennon didn't mention the name of her mother. Ten eleven years old. When her mom began dating kerry Having a relationship with him her mom was a waitress in the restaurant below the apartment where carry lived. He seemed like a safe person to be around. To let mother and lennon's his younger sister brought the girls illustrations. He withdraw himself. He would buy them new beanie babies each time. You see them. Leonard said he also taught her and her sister. Dr leonard said he was a a big teddy bear towards her and her sister. He was just our friend. I love kerry. my sister and i adored him. My sister and i will be walking up the driveway. We'd see kerry steiner coming up in a scout and jump in the truck and he'd give us right up to our house. She said leonard said she could only remember one occasion which carries steiner made her feel uncomfortable. They were all in the merced river. She said when he started removing all this close. Why did you do that well. She didn't say. But we'll soon learn why kerry was sexually attracted to her and he was having some real fucking dark fantasies about her her sister and her mom lennon's mom was also the first real girlfriend. Carrie seem to have ever had that. Co worker of his back at the glass company said that one time when the subject girlfriends came up carey said he had never dated a woman for more than a few weeks. Lennon would recall later. That kerry always carried a backpack which authorities would later describe as containing his murder kit. It contained a gun duct tape and a knife and she would learn later that she very nearly avoided carry using the backpacks content on her and her family ever carry sanders' arrest lennon's at f. b. i. agents contacted her mother She said the fbi win spoke my mom privately to let her know. That kerry steiner had confessed to initially wanting to kill my mom and rape and kill my sister and i. My mom was extremely shocked. That's when our lives were flipped upside down. My mom went off the deep end and harbors a lot of guilt. I don't blame mom at all. Nobody could have known. Holy shit some teddy bear kerry steiner. Was that fuck with your head to hear that that this dude this kind of father figure your mom was dating who you looked up to thought. Was this super nice. Dude actually wanted to rape and kill you do the same to your sister. Also kill your mom. The family learned from the fbi. The carry steiner had nearly killed him on three separate the day he'd gotten arrested for four murders kerry or had gone looking for them but lynn sister just happened to be the grandma's house when he came by had they have been home. His confirmed bodycount would have jumped from four to seven in february of one thousand nine hundred ninety two years after showing up in el portal steiner. Still working at the lodge living in that room above the lounge thinking a lot about sasquatch is probably and on the fourteenth of february valentine's day he sees carol sund forty two and her daughter. Julie fifteen arrive in their bright red pontiac grand prix rental with jewish friend. Selena pelosi six. In exchange student from argentina carol plant carol had planned the fateful trip to yosemite national park two months in advance a reward to her daughter for doing well in school. Her husband jen's stayed home with three other kids. It picked up a flashy red rental car at the airport. Made the way to yosemite was dead of winter and the cedar lodge was mostly deserted with much of the staff on hiatus until spring a yosemite. That's been a long day admiring capitain half dome other granite monoliths ice skating in curry village yosemite valley and taking snapshots along the merced river gorge at some point. Carol talk degen's on the phone kills said the and he goes to the park again but had concerns about construction at the entrance. The conversation lasted less than four minutes. And it'll be the last time gen would speak to his wife. The three women had dinner at the cedar. Lodge restaurant then strolled back long dimly lit pathways lined with wooden statues of bears and bald eagles to room. Five zero nine in the far west wing of the hotel that same day carry stater had stalked four. Young girls dana. You're lodge with the intention of abducting raping and killing at least one of them. He ended up backing off because they were accompanied by man he decided on targeting carol julie and sylvana after spine them through window. The next day february fifteenth nine hundred ninety nine kerry puts a horrific plan into action at eleven. Pm kerry who is carrying a toolbox with duct tape rope knife and a gun hidden inside knocked. The door five nine identified himself at the motor as the motel handyman. There was a leak in the room above. He explained that he needed to check. Whether water was dripping through the ceiling suspicious cara looked around. Said there was no sign of a leak. She refused to let him in. He then told him if he couldn't come in and fix it. They would just have to move to a different room and not wanting to deal with that hassle. Carol does let him in kerry chatted with her for a moment fiddled around in the bathroom for a minute or two then walked back out of the bathroom brandishing. A gun he tells caroline the girls not to panic. sadly they don't he He says he's only come to rob them then. He binds gags them with duct. Tape places. Sylvana and julia in the bathroom and turns to carol sunday for shutting the door. She's lying on the bed silently quickly. He strangles her with the rope does not sexually assault or was not part of his dark fantasy. He'd takes her car keys. Drags her corpse out to the dark deserted parking lot heaves it into the trunk of the pontiac while the two teams are still bound gagged in the bathroom. I didn't realize how hard it is to strangle. A person carey would later colby and calmly say a confession. It's not easy. I had very little feeling. It was like performing a task after stuffing caroline of the trunk of a rented pontiac. Green grand prix kyrie rips and cut the cloth. The two girls leads them back into the Onto the bed he commands them to perform various sexual acts on one another. They don't comply they're terrified the crime he becomes irritated by so venus sobbing that he leads her alone back into the bathroom shut. The door quietly strangled her as as she knelt in the bathtub he then sexually assaults julie in families motel room and in the room next door where he took her to use the bathroom not wanting her to see soviet his body he tries to rape her is unable to penetrate her as he is unable to direction. The damn e. d. He probably been stewing on it for years and is impotent. Seemed to fill him with the murderous rage. Finally he leaves juliana bed tied up watching tv. While he cleaned up the crime scene and dumped sylvia in the car trunk with With carol and arranges the room to sort appears at the woman had checked out and left. I felt like. I was in control for the first time in my life. Standard later said on tape. That confession tape. He's cleaning. his cleaning of the room was so thorough. He even got all of his hairs off of the bedsheet later. Fbi agent asked him why he did that and he replied. I watch the discovery channel. Roughly five hours after the attack began at about four. In the next morning february sixteenth stained raps julie naked and a pink motel blanket drives away in the rental car with her bound in the passenger seat. Her mom and her friends bodies around the trunk. I don't know. I didn't know where i was going or what i was doing. He later told. Investigators just kept driving and driving along the way he comes to light julie who told stain her name was sarah. She was a very likeable girl. He said she was very calm. Liking her did not make him want to not kill her though with don approaching standard turns off at lake. Don pedro and carries julie up pass to a small clearing overlooking the water. He said i told her. I wished i could keep her some seriously creepy shit to say he then sexually assaults her again. No word from the sources on the state of impotence during this attack then this fucking maniac brushes her hair fans that on the ground beneath their head. He said he then told her that. I loved her and then cut her throat. She made a hand gesture to him after. Cut her which he interpreted as her asking him to finish her off and he looked away while she died over the next fifteen to twenty seconds. At least that's what he said. Did she really gestured him. That fucking highly doubt it. I really doubt she wanted him to quote. Finish off strongly. Assuming a lot of this should only happen. Is that standard would say. I didn't want her to suffer the way the other two did not sure. If that's true. He drove the knife so hard into her throat. He nearly decapitated her after hiding her body in a in a thicket he drives the car with the bodies of carole so vena polo so in the trunk. So as far as he can into the forest he walked two miles into sierra village. Telephones for a cab after dawn. The cabdriver jenny. Paul was bemused by the haggard-looking man who asked driven to the assembly lodge. She never reported the trip to police. Until after standards arrests months later she remembered an unusual conversation that transpired along the route her passenger asked. Do you believe in bigfoot. No she replied you should he said because he's real and then he paid the fare with one hundred fifty bucks stole from carol's purse. These fucking bigfoot details are killing me carry wooden. Get the insanity plea. He'd hoped for his upcoming trial but he was clearly as i once heard a kid. Say growing up. nuttier them. Squirrels shit fucks go. The in staff claimed that when they cleaned room five of nine the next morning on february sixteenth. They detected no evidence of foul play checkout in advance. He's left on the front desk as was customary. Jen's sund carol's husband and julie's father had scheduled to meet them at san francisco airport that evening his way to arizona while he attended meeting in arizona his wife daughter and her friend were going to tour the grand canyon That's what he thought he did not find his wife. Airport assume she had flown ahead. The next day on february seventeenth kerry returns to carol's Yes sorry. I got confused by carrying carol kerry returns kerry returns to carol's rented pontiac grand prix with can't gasoline after scratching. We have sarah remember The his daughter the God julie's juli sund told him her name was sarah. I scratched it on the hood with a pocket knife saying we to throw off investigators and then he sets the car on fire then. He drives two hours west dumps. Mrs sons billfold insert onto a modesto street corner to further throw police officer course and it would work Just like his brother. Stephen had vanished twenty seven years earlier now. Three women have vanished several days after sons and palacios disappearance a wallet driver's license credit cards belonging to carol or found. But there's no sign of the woman or their pontiac grand prix rental car Most of the women's us and the last as of february students lynn march The public still is hoping that the women will be found safe in modesto a march and vigil or held for the missing persons. They think that's where they went. Missing was in modesto. Unofficially gen sons now offers a two hundred fifty thousand dollar reward for info that will lead to the return of the missing women eh for a couple of weeks up to three hundred thousand. Mrs sons parents francis and carol appear on good morning. America to entreat the prayers of americans to help locate their daughter in the kids over a month after the murders. Carol sons rental car is found march. One thousand nine hundred ninety nine two charred bodies or in the trunk right sons and below a hiker discovered the vehicle mountains of the stanislaw county over thirty miles from the lodge were standard. Abducted them the same week. The two bodies are found in anonymous letter sent to the fbi with a hand drawn map. The disturbing note later determined to have been written by steiner read. We had fun with this one again with the we to make. Investigators think there were at least two attackers which they did also paid a young hispanic kid to spit into a cup. Use that spit to seal the envelope. Which further through off the fbi. They ended up looking primarily hispanic suspects for weeks because the dna they found on the envelope. The map descended the police. led them to overlook at the don pedro reservoir several miles from the logging trail where the car had been found there. They find son's corpse. A massive. manhunt has now launched a catch the murderer or murderers for several weeks hundreds of f. b. i. Agents california highway patrol officers a national park. Service rangers your seventies rugged back count backcountry and the adjacent stanislaw his laws national forest with dogs and helicopters two dozen. Fbi agents commandeer part of the headquarters of the stanislaw hotshots forest firefighting squad. Based in the old gold rush town of sonora to sift through evidence as they collected tv crews reporters swarm over yosemite area. Descend on the modesto. Holiday inn with the families of the missing tourist maintain a vigil a task force round up suspects arrested several known sex offenders drug users and ex cons with a record of violence from within a seventy five square mile area between modesto and cinema. The police figure that the killer. The three women with someone familiar with the area who was guilty had successfully maneuvered a pontiac through rugged terrain ravines lakes dense woods country roads. They thought only a native would have been aware of the site where the car was abandoned. The march twenty nine tradition of newsweek reported the fbi believes that the killer knows the area of abandoned gold mines. Well enough to hide the car office. Spur road were local dump old. Refrigerators cars and washing machines. And well enough to know that the smell of burning car would likely not attract attention. Because the air often reeks from people burning their garbage unsettled. Locals are starting to whisper about possible murderers in their midst by mid april. The fbi comes to believe that the key players in the sightseer slane's have been arrested. Were in jail on unrelated charges. Although not named in print at the time their names were later published by the fresno bee and the primary suspects were michael mc law whic forty two of modesto part of a vagabond group of meth users. Friends saturday the modesto area eugene rufus dykes thirty two also modesto lara wigs half-brother dude with a long criminal record including sex and weapons. Convictions billie joe strange. Though perfect criminal criminally thirty. Nine el portal. A parolee who worked at the cedar lodge lounge restaurant where the murdered women were last seen. He was arrested when he allegedly reported to his parole officer with liquor on his breath around the time. Disappearances daryl gray stevens fifty five strangers roommate convicted nineteen seventy eight for rape and robbery. He was jailed march fourteenth for failing to register as a sex offender Daniel neil cummins. Forty-five my dad loves the outdoors Women right at home in yosemite supposedly living in her two miles. Away between reagan's new meadows in idaho at the time but because he can't account for his whereabouts That february because he also didn't know for certain where he'd been during so so many other murders in the seventies eighties and nineties. He is considered a prime suspect Jacob bag is not worn thin from yet by the end of june known has been charged the fbi. They had the person or people responsible for killing the three women. Obviously they did not. Meanwhile the cedar lodge carey maintains a cool facade Even escorts fbi agents from room to room so they can gather fiber samples the only time he seems to have commented on the killings of before he's arrested after these obviously after the killings says. A female coworker was the afternoon. He cast in annoyed glance at a pair of fbi agents having lunch at the diner he muttered. Why didn't the fbi ever searched my brother interesting. Did he may think he could get away with what he was doing because he didn't think law enforcement was good at catching people due to how they never found his brother July twenty first nineteen ninety nine four months after standard killed three women and had seemingly gotten away with it he decides to kill again. Joey armstrong who grown up in orlando was one of the most popular member of the yosemite park staff a bright energetic young woman who led kids on hikes through assemblies backcountry sharing her knowledge about the park's history and indigenous plants animals and insects armstrong. And her boyfriend. michael rally. Another instructor commute a few miles to the yosemite institute from their pine cabin which they call the greenhouse conditions at the greenhouse were primitive chopped their own firewood for heat hauled water to drink from crane creek armstong content with all this. I love here in this house. She wrote to a friend in florida earlier in the summer. I love michael with my soul and every last stella my body. I love the big meadow with all his days. Incredible history on the morning of july twenty first. Joey armstrong arrived at the assembly institute around. Api eight am worked on all day then drove the five miles home. Her boyfriend other roommate were away aware of the murders of the three tourists at the cedar lodge. She told colleagues at the institute that she worried about spending the night that she worried about spending a night alone at her isolated cabin just before dusk as she packed up her car for trip to sausalito a balloon. White international scout came down the dirt road toward your house and stopped according to his confession. Steiner stepped out of his vehicle approached. Armstrong's pickup truck and said hello steiner. Apparently attempted to the wear a young woman at ease. of course he does this by asking. If she'd ever seen big foot in the area he'd one spot spotted the creature in the fields just beyond her cabin. What a weird fucking way to try and put some of these. How weird to think. That was the The the normal type of social interaction you have with woman. You've never seen before right like he's in his brain just aren't carry. Think think think think put her east maker relax. What a normal non murderers that talked about. Come on come on car batteries now. I know i shouldn't say the car battery type. Got mccarey car. Batteries are boring. You know that Soft pretzels maybe a lot of people like soft pretzels especially once covered a big chunks. Salt with warm cheese dip good good. This is going somewhere. Wait bigfoot everyone. Loves talk about bigfoot the cabdriver. She liked it when i talked about bigfoot family. Not so much but they're fucking dicks. This is gonna work. This will definitely make her think that he's talking to is not crazy. Excuse me ma'am did you know the big fuller's around here. I've seen him a lot of people. Have you could smell him. He's real thinking kerry truly was a bit out of his fucking mind. Your david children's here again. Steiner is right about their smell sightings of the large seven foot foot tall by penal creature are often accompanied by a foul. Scotland ordered that Back in the hall childress insurance. No problema sorry about that When kerr realized armstrong was alone and was his sasquatch jabirjabir not exactly making her Want to invite him in your cabin. He pulls a gun orders her inside the cabin where he binds her hands gags duct tape then orders her back outside in the gathering darkness he shoves her into the front seat of a scout begins to drive back up the road then the parking area where the dirt track from her cabin joins the forest road armstrong manages to open the scouts passenger door leaps out of the moving vehicle bad ass hairless athena. She staggers to her feet. Begins running to the brush and trees along crane creek heading towards the cabin where friends of hers live just a few hundred yards away. Steiner jumps out crashes in the woods in pursuit armstrong made it one hundred and fifty yards before he caught her. He grabbed from behind drew a long knife quickly. Cut her throat then slashed her again and again and again until he had literally completely decapitated her. He dumps her body in the drainage ditch then discards her severed head about forty feet away. Investigators initially thought armstrong had been killed by someone. She knew that it was a crime of passion. They thought that because of the anger and the rage displayed through the killing must have been someone she had some sort of relationship with. Nope just steiner steiner furious. She had tried to a escape from him that hard. Because there's been so much noise and chaos. Carrie leaves the scene of the crime in a hurry. Leave several clues behind including tire tracks from his vehicle as well as footprints carrie returns to a scout. Fled back up the road towards yosemite exit and he didn't get very far on l. portal road a few short of the cedar lodge his vehicle breaks down and they flagged down a ride from a passing yosemite park ranger. The ranger later recalled. The steiner had been easy going affable and calm. Nothing strange now a cool cucumber. Who just happened to have a you know. Cut someone's fucking head off a few minutes earlier now. He's just calmly probably talking about. Bigfoot car broke down. that's bummer. Any idea what the problem is. If i had to guess. I'd say bigfoot probably probably missed around under my hood you know they are squashes lavars imparts first time machine or something. Probably just not to hose louis not crazy next morning thursday july twenty second doctor desmond. Kids yosemite national park. Medical doctor had just finished a busy twenty four hour shift at the park's clinic. It was after all the height of the summer tourist season and the thirty six year old physician was leaked. He was looking forward to heading back to the log cabin shared with other park employees and yosemite village but as soon as he got back his pay off a park. Dispatcher asked him to join a search for a missing person a search. The dispatcher said with law enforcement implications kid was told joey armstrong in a billion strawberry blonde naturalist at the nearby yosemite institute. Casual acquaintance of kids have been planning to spend the weekend visiting friends and sausalito. When she didn't show up for friends feared something had happened to her turning off During left off the main yosemite highway kids steered his jeep done an unmarked road into forest. Where thirty cabins inhabited mostly by park. Employees were scattered along the bottom of a wooded glen. The area was cordoned off with yellow police tape. Joey's white pickup truck still parked in the driveway packed with luggage for tripp. Having decided to begin their search in the immediate area the squad split up into five groups kid and four other members of the search party walked the woods along crane creek but neither hot noonday sun. They bushwack through dense breasts watching rattlesnakes looking for signs of joy joy and only a few minutes. Kids spotted a key. Ring glinting in the sun just beyond delays something else a woman's body clad in a white t shirt and bluejeans as kit drew closer. He noticed that something made him gag. Jesus he said in ran back to the ranger in charge. We have an eleven forty four. That's code for a dead body and she's been decapitated unsurprisingly armstrong's beheading spread fear through yosemite park rangers received a flood of phone calls from parents and youth group leaders asking if certain areas of the park should be avoided a request for guided hikes especially from women rose sharply then the authorities got a lucky break. A park employee noticed a blue and white nineteen seventy-nine international scout park near our house. The night of her death on the after july twenty second today joys body was discovered to rangers spotted the scout parked on the shoulder of california one forty in the merced river canyon about twelve miles from the western entrance to the park. Descending to the rocky river bank one of the rangers accompanied by mariposa county detective came upon a handsome solidly built man. Smoking a joint sunbathing in the nude. Probably talking about bigfoot no big deal right. Just chilling out naked in the woods soaking up. Some sunshine. cuban is field keeping his eyes peeled for squashes. The main colony. Identifies himself as kerry steiner says. He's employed as a handyman at cedar lodge. I think he put on some clothes to introduce himself. Not sure i like to imagine. He stayed naked. Just talked about you know bigfoot with his dick swinging around the oscar the officers off skaters combined officers and confiscated. The officers confiscated his marijuana. Let go no arrest for the joint. I like it shortly after this encounter. fbi. Investigators compare tire tracks at the crime scene with photographs of steiner's treads and they get a perfect match. They had their guy a naked. Murdering bigfoot freak on july twenty fourth carry steiner is arrested at the laguna del sole clothing optional resort. In wilton california. I liked this other weird. Twist more nudity dude got arrested seriously at a fucking nudist colony. How great is that. There's places still in business by the way and still nude still. Very new website looks nice. Police discovered carry. They're eating breakfast as they could talk to him. My mind was definitely going with different scenarios of how this little interaction with down kerry steiner. We need to talk to you. Would you mind putting some clothes on could you. Maybe at least cover up your dick with a copy of squad on a monthly thank you. What was that ma'am. No i'm not a stripper in a cop suit. This is not a costume. I'm a real cop. Ma'am ma'am please. Stop putting down. My zipper assured that is not a problem. That is a real gun. Hey you with the nipple rings no not you other neighboring dude. Would you mind opened up the door for us. Ma'am ma'am would you. Please stop trying to me. With your teddy's i'm on official business Standard goes with the officers to the nearest. Fbi office They recognize him as the brother. Stephen steiner on the way billups poor and then steiner almost immediately confesses to joy. Arms murder He then said he had a role in the sun. Pelosi murders and that he would tell them everything they wanted to know but first he wanted quotes a good sized stack of child pornography as condition of his confession. He wanted photos and videos. Ideally naked kids quote involved in crime scenes. What the fuck i interpret. That is pictures and videos of naked. Dead kids he actually asked for that shit like it was a reasonable requests like he was asking for a cheeseburger. Also the fbi agents that maybe if the if he would have more access to kiddie porn previously. He wouldn't have had to kill anybody. That jesus christ then. He says he wants his trial to be held down. Said as if that's the thing you could just require. and then. He says he wants his parents to get the reward. Money that three hundred thousand dollars that that karlsson's husband had offered for clues regarding the whereabouts of her. And and you know the other two women. Jesus the fbi agents. No that's crazy. Get the fuck out of here with all that. And then he just kinda goes okay and then he just confesses. Anyway he tells the fbi that he had fantasize about her women's since he was a kid but unable to stop his compulsion to kill a for five months carry had been living under the noses of investigators fixing leaks hanau bed linens at the cedar lodge until the urge to murder. It struck him ages and interviewed steiner twice in the early stages of the investigation. Both times dismissed him as a suspect and remember he'd been interviewed years before for possibly killed his uncle been dismissed. He just seemed like too nice of a guy to ordinary. they said not. Only that standards background is own. Family been victimized by monstrous crime. Made them think that there was no way he could do. Something like that Anybody else two weeks after his arrest on august six hundred ninety nine carries -tainer shuffles into a courtroom at the us district courthouse in fresno to answer federal murder charges. His parents dilbert and case. Steiner sat motionless hand in hand is fixed on their son as he stood before the federal magistrate clad in yellow prison jumpsuit his wrists and ankles shackled and he enters a plea of not guilty a strategy. That would leave the door open for an insanity defense. His mother cried softly wrestler head against her husband's chest their son grim-faced avoided eye contact with his parents. Shit man their first kid gets kidnapped missing for seven years then shows up then dies young and motorcycle accident. Roughly a decade later. Now they're only other son confesses to killing four women in yosemite in a letter to the fresno bee that he sent from his jail cell in mid august. Dana wrote that. I am truly very sorry for the pain caused and said that he hoped to sell the rights to his story to hollywood to compensate the victims families. How much you wanna bet that. His idea for his movie about all this heavily involved bigfoot. Kathy's trial kerry strauss using his name. I've never met a dude named carey c. a. r. y. Just never looks like a real name to me. Kerry's trial began in two thousand one during his trial. He pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity due to various psychological problems. A doctor testified during steiner's trial. The he had autism had obsessive compulsive disorder. Right others will testify. He's like schizophrenic. Depressed seniors lawyers also argued standard allegedly had to deal with sexual abuse nece pass which could play a role in him becoming a murderer. Dr jose arturo silva testified During the third week of standards triple murder trial. At san jose the stanford educated psychiatry spent more than twenty one hours interviewing steiner in jail. More than three hours talking with his parents to five fat binders containing the defendants medical history. Which included interviews with friends acquaintances and the fbi. And he said that steiner like his dad suffered from paraphernalia a sexual disorder which individuals become aroused only by inappropriate objects or fantasies. We talked about the longtime ago with jeffrey dahmer. Like his mother. He said that stuff standard also suffers from depression. So last shit going on in this family. August twenty seven. Two thousand to carry standard is found sane convicted of four counts of first degree murder. December of two thousand to carry steiner asked for a new trial on grounds that none of the jurors had been molested does not granted. I'm surprised he also didn't complain. That none of the jurors were squashes or squash honors stained receives a death sentence on december twelfth. Two thousand and two. He is currently on death. Row at san quentin state prison california although the state of california technically still has the death penalty. California governor gavin newsom extended moratorium on the death penalty in two thousand eighteen california has not executed any inmates. Since two thousand six far more likely standard die of old age then be executed is currently fifty nine on january twenty first two thousand eight kenneth parnell finally dies in prison may his soul if he has never find peace on august twentieth. Two thousand ten statue of stephen steiner and timothy white is dedicated an applegate park and said the statue shows a teenage stephen five-year-old timmy hand-in-hand while the two of them escaped captivity a love. It sadly neither stephen nor timmy would live to see the statue on april. First two thousand ten right just shortly before. The statue was dedicated. Timothy who'd become an la county sheriff's department. Deputy died of a pulmonary. Embolism at the age of thirty five and that takes us out of this time. Suck time line. Good job soldier. You've made it back there and crazy story right a tragedy doubleheader really tripleheader kenneth cornell stephen steiner kerry steiner. I the kidnapping. Seven years of st stephen steiner being raped in the steiner family being reunited only carrie. Ann stephen drift apart his brothers. Stephen dies in a motorcycle accident than carry probably kills his uncle that he moves away to yosemite kills. Four women wanted to kill more. Fuck is going on the stairs carey steiner odd life he led. He went from a shy artistic boy who missed his brother too cruel. Bigfoot obsessed murderer who killed four women brutally one of them after sexually assaulting her after he killed her mother and her friend Where those final four murders would carry. Not it become such a monster if he hadn't been molested if his brother had him kidnapped. If you've been raised in a more emotionally stable home. He said he'd had murderous urges into the age of seven before his brother was kidnapped. If that is true would he have found some way to deal with those urges if he'd had a different charlotte how much nature how much nurture goes into the making of a serial killer. Could you dear meet sack. Have been a ted bundy or carry steiner earn. Eileen worn us had your childhood taken some different turns now funny thing about but you know could a certain sequence of tragic events in your childhood. Turn you into a serial killer. I think maybe so much of who we are is formed by the way were raised by who were raised by by what happened to us in our identity identity forming years right throwing a couple of real real dark curve balls. Who could you have ended up as i dunno. I imagine your nature would have also had to be pretty dark to end up going. Where carries standard did time. Now for today's top five takeaways shot by away number one pedophile. Kenneth parnell harmed a lot more people than just those he abducted than those he raped. He also harmed kerry steiner. The steiner parents and countless other family members kept stephen steiner for seven years but ultimately only served five years in prison himself for it motherfucker number to carry standard killed four women and four months spring and summer of nineteen ninety nine. He stalked his victims before making sure that there wouldn't be others around them to protect them and killed them brutally. He sexually assaulted two young girls before he killed them. He also nearly or fully decapitated two of the four women he killed number three carries danger believed in. Bigfoot talked about bigfoot cabdriver. Who's driving him back after he dumped his body. What the shit number. four after. Seven years of continual abuse. Stephen got away from kenneth parnell. Because he didn't wanna see another boy timothy white could take an advantage of he'd been then timothy became an la sheriff's deputy putting himself in danger in order to protect others couple bright spots such dark story number. Five new info kerry steiner with sense for his crimes and yosemite national park. But did you know there is a legal theory out there where Some people think you can literally get away with murder in part of another. Us national park yellowstone national park is almost entirely within the state of wyoming but rather of it reaches into two other states. Montana and idaho and the idaho part is where the danger or opportunities thought to be. Brian c called a law. Professor at the michigan at michigan state university college law had a good look at this region published an academic paper entitled the perfect crime back in two thousand five in it called wondered about a hypothetical place where there were not enough eligible citizens to form a jury and theorizes. There could be no trial and therefore no punishment for major crimes in that area. He later realized there is such a place. The idaho section of yellowstone national park say decided to murder someone in the idaho section of the park. If you're caught it'd be arrested and taken to wyoming to be tried. The us constitution however demand. Any trials should be held in the state where the crime itself was committed. Which in this case is idaho so demand right to be tried back. Idaho where they take you. A local jury would then be called but amendment six states that the impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed is required. And in this case the status idaho but the district is wyoming. That means that the only people available for the jury must live in the idaho section of yellowstone. But no one lives there. It's federal land. No one's allowed to live there So unless you allow them to try to my oh ming they legally cannot try you at all. Technically known felonies have yet to be committed in this zone of theoretical lawlessness. I doubt you could get away with murder there but if you just have to murder someone is probably the place to do it in the us. I mean we don't do that now. I'm telling you that. I'm not saying that's a good idea but you know if if who's be murdered then maybe that's the place you do it. Maybe just j. i don't know. Just i'm just thinking some crazy nuts. Shot by the yosemite killer. The abduction of stephen steiner story of kenneth parnell has been sucked so much drama tragedy senate on one family man. If you're on the fence before about. I don't know if you a lot against pedophile. Should be more harsh. I hope you're not anymore. After that. Kenneth porno bullshit. Got what a crazy crazy story really sucked me and thank you. The bad measure productions team for all the help and making time suck every week Queenie bad magic lindsay cuts reverend. Dr joe paisley the script keepers act flannery sophie fact sources evans. Cer- logan the art warlock. Keith running bad magic merge dot com working on our social long lizard and as Thanks to beefsteak. In the mod squad keeping discord fund congrats to the raven queen. Curly in the lead around nine on the on the time suck trivia game. We have in the app with four thousand two hundred and forty five points new round round ten stars on monday april fifth at three. Pm pacific time. We stick with true crime next week on time. Suck we dark and smelly. We pretty much covered in pig. Shit with robert. Pickton one of canada's most prolific serial killers the butcher vancouver aka the pig farmer killer as a pig farmers who didn't give two shits about personal hygiene or their kids get into solid upbringing. Robert i turned to butchery as living. And then this weird hillbilly turn to a very different kind of butchery. This guy is so fucking disturbing and cartoonish lee horrific. He doesn't even feel real. He feels like a b. horror movie villain come to life. He'd be arrested in two thousand two and the subsequent investigation of his house of horrors would yield evidence of numerous other murders ultimately leading to his being charged with twenty six murders. He would dispute that. You would tell an undercover agent. He'd killed forty nine women one shy of his goal. His stated goal of fifty. Who were these women. There are women that polite society preferred to ignore their women struggling with drug addiction with turn to sex work for money to fill their addictions many of them struggling with homelessness they lived in vancouver's eastside downtown which rapidly became robert pickton's hunting grounds. He takes him back to his pig farm where they would meet their doom. Maybe be incorporated also into pig meat. That may have been sold and consumed by vancouverites seriously. How does that happen. How did robert get away with it for so long. What in god's name was happening at his nightclub called pigs palace. This ridiculous story in next week's deep dive into the disturbing world of robert pickton and now let's head on over to a not disturbing world of this week's time sucker updates times. He can things off with some positive after all. That darkness inspired meet sack. Justin sauce three rights. Just give me phonetics spelling for his last name sauce tree there. 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I got back to feeling like my old self a my beautiful girlfriend. Megan trying to get into time so she really enjoys scared to death. So at least there's that Even though. I didn't listen to podcasts when it started. I did listen to your comedy. All the time wanted to say thank you. Thanks for being such a bright light in this world. You're dark comedy. Gives me more than i can put into. Words always so funny to me. The dark comedy brings people. I love it though And this podcast filled my heart with help. Well now that. I'm dehydrated from all allergies. I'm going to finish this episode. Become a space. I'm waiting to do that because they wanted to. Catch up on. Basically there was a big deal thanks to read. My ramblings held praises athena glory. Mike motherfucker mcdonald sincerely justin sauce Like you also provided phoenix spelling for justin. Play please another shrooms suck. Ps s if you ever look in do. Paul mccartney is dead. I think that would be interesting sock. In my opinion. Yes thank you. justin man. Glad you're on the path to finding your white says a cool thing we get into. The paul mccartney is dead conspiracy On the secret back. And i think in an upcoming episode of time suck. We're going to explore that one and numerous other celebrity based conspiracies in one one episode. Glad you found megan She sounds like a great influence. And sorry about your debt. I'm sure he's proud of you for taking charge of your life for doing what you're doing you know and Pursued happiness as much as any means that can and yes shrooms. I need get more. I keep forgetting to get more. I need to recalibrate my mind again for summer. Next up happy sucker. Carina hammond has a great update to share. She writes dear. Suck master keep this short and sweet. The waste of oxygen named joseph duncan was diagnosed with terminal brain cancer hail nimrod and. Let's hope it's painful. Yup hail nimrod that fucking piece of shit not expected to make it past the summer this past fall. He was diagnosed with terminal brain cancer. He's choosing not to receive treatment. He is still writing the occasional blog posts that fifth nail bullshit. He's allowed to write his most recent post from. He writes about You know how most of the people around him arruda doesn't talk about his victims. Adult eighty percent of the post is complaining. How rude the guards are to him. How the nurses don't seem to care much about him Yeah they don't care because you're monster you belong back in the dirt from whence you came so soon one less child killer will be breathing Superstock matt lee had an allergy attack last week at work. Let's hear about it. He says dan you son of a bitch. I just finished listen to the pop award suck at work bad move amid it all the way to the end lost it mind you. I'm a fabricator special effects tech for stranger things. Oh what is so cool. I missed that the first time i read this. Oh my god it's fucking awesome show typically consider myself to be pretty tough fast forward to listen to this episode. I'm crying like i'm crying like a bitch. In the middle of the fx shop hearing the way you reminisce tell stories about pop. Award brought back The brought me back to my family story about my papa. All the things. I didn't get to say to him before he's taken from me all the things. They never got to ask him the fact that he never got to my daughter. I have since retreated to the bathroom to ugly cry. And to tell you that. I hate you for this but also thank you for making me. Think back on so many memories three to five stars loyal spaces creeper dummy lee from atlanta Man thank you matt. it is good to remember. Isn't it was painful. Help keep the dead with us. Keeps keeps them alive Glad you had good pop up as a special thing about the ugly cry. you know. You probably won't even cry for someone who's probably eating an onion or something near you probably won't even emotion get super sucker. Avery metcalf now has his own grandpa tales to share a rewrite steer dan. I feel compelled to write you after listening to the ward hall episode. My condolences you and your family frequently listened to during early morning drives to the bow ramp and long days on the wall and during long days in the water for bass fishing tournaments. That's awesome The reason i'm writing today's my grandfather passed away january. Twenty twenty eight eighty nine. Oh man almost exactly the same age to say. That was a tough way to start. Twenty twenty and understatement. My grandfather aubrey. James metcalfe senior had a lot of similarities with your grandfather that were that is that are worthy to share ari was born in nineteen thirty in stillwater. Oklahoma during the depression to a large family siblings was always very frugal. Never complained and valued hard work and family right. What a great generation. He was always telling stories of the old days while driving me around on saturdays going to garage sales fishing excursions. My favorite was when his uncle acquire an old rundown model t ford in the mid thirties. When he was five six years old. It was my grandfather job to wind to crank the engine. One day forgot to put the crank up the crank sticking out of the front caught a pothole and launched the engine. Completely out of the front. He said this was the only time he ever heard his dad. Cuss using fuck always thought that was funny He met my grandmother and there were young age. Then joined the air force. During the korean war was stationed in england had many more stories about being a hillbilly. Yanking england are had many stories. He returned to be a bricklayer in which he retired from In two thousand eight seventy there is not a brick building in the tulsa area in which he didn't seem to have either worked on or knew who built it. He would always remark about building that school. That church that high rise. Or no the old fella who did who was a lifelong union men in blue dog democrat. He believed in the social programs of the great depression. He also didn't go to church believing that god would understand the good life he lived. He went to every sporting event. My cousins and siblings had he was always there. He would always make everyone the best chocolate milkshakes anytime. We came over what. I wouldn't give to have another one of those. He always had a calm demeanor and would always start a conversation with the story. Always laughing and say anyhow to change direction to the conversation. Sounds like me my cousins and siblings. And i have so many fond memories of playing in the yard running down the trail to the big pond. Fish play hide and seek he. My grandmother would frequently casino in town. That was their entertainment. And i would always drive by their seeing. Their blue mini van parked up front. I know this is running long. I just had to relay the message. I was brought to tears. Listening to the podcast. Where your grandmother and grandpa talked about you. My wife and i just had our first baby girl several months before aubrey passed away. Thank god they got to meet always miss that. Our family immensely and everyone always talks about him and get together. They're not the same without him. Thanks for taking the time to read. This have a blessed day avery. Metcalf will thank you. Avery have a blessed as well Man damn sounds like something aubrey. What metcalf was one hell of a man building shit that would last a lot longer than any of us will round also making those grandpa milkshakes. Just don't taste the same when anyone else does it. hell yes man. His legacy lives on with you and yours hail nimrod in one more Comedy mixed in this is fantastic. Silly sucker joe crab was reminded by my grandpa's we'd prank on buckhorn of a prank of his own so good. He writes elo master. I just wanted to say that. I thoroughly enjoyed the suck on pop award last week. I lost my grandpa february. Twenty twenty and your grandpa reminded me a lot of was a very hard worker loyal family more than life. He was blunt yet kind and had a dark sense of humor. Like me Sounds like we would have got along. Great i really enjoyed the prank. That he pulled on his neighbor also enjoyed the prank. You pulled on cuyler that you talked about on scared to death. Weeks ago. I wanted share the best prank. I've ever pulled so that you could expand on that one because they are similar in nature. My son is autistic and one that is pretty common with people with autism as being a flight risk. I can't tell you how many times. I've seen articles on young children with autism getting away from their family and drowning which is my worst fear because my son loves water but can't swim yet in the country with a big pond in front of my house so it was a real fear. I do swear. I'm getting to the prank because of this fear we've got an alexa for the house and smart switches for the doors so the door opens a switch triggers the alexa to send us notification that the door is open. You can do all sorts of stuff like even have it. Tell you a joke when the sensor is tripped while my family went to disneyworld in florida. And i'm from indiana so we drive. Because that's what mid westerners do. Our friend was watching our house and feeding our cat while we were gone that week and while we were on the road i had a brilliant idea i can control alexa for my phone and our friend is terrified of birds. Can't handle them. So i set up the alexa play. Nature sounds whenever the door was opened. She got to feed the cat that night thought. That was a bird loose in the house with her. Shielded my cats do our job and get the bird little proud of her because she put on her bigger pants and searched the house trying to find the bird then when she walked past a little speaker in the living room she noticed the sound. Got louder i received a text. Just simply said you're a dick. I didn't do anything the next day to give her a false sense of security smart. Play the after that cranked it up a notch. I said it to play. Kill switch engages. When darkness falls at full volume for some reason. Alexa decided to help me out a little because there was delayed just long enough for her to get to the kitchen before the sound of howard jones started screaming through the house. She threw her phone. Hit the deck and her heart rate went so high registered on our fitbit. Then i got a call from her. She was yelling. Make it stop. I told her to tell alexa to stop and proceeded to laugh until it hurt. She sent her six year old daughter in the next day to test the waters and i had it set to play. Let it go from frozen so her daughter was just singing along when you walked in by far the best prank i've ever done. I only wish i'd thought of it before. I left so i could have set up a camera. Love the show recipes to pop award. Seems like he was an amazing meets sack. Joey joey thank you and so good. I don't have an alexa or that. I didn't even know that was possible to set things up. That way. I if you've just inspired myself and so many people to fuck with their friends and family. I need to fire over another prank. I was one of frank lindsay. But i just i fear the retaliation how bad we get and then i got last time and he kind of forgot about it but i know if i got him again he really pissed off and come he cut me hard my have to get monroe monroe next but she will also retaliate hard. You give me lots thing about joey. thank you for the laughs. Thanks for all the grandparent measures everyone. I'm sure i'll be sharing more on next week's time sucker updates. Thanks time suckers in there. We all did. Thanks for listening to this. Bad magic productions. Podcasts meets sex. Please do not abduct anyone this week. And maybe keep your excited sasquatch. Talk to a minimum. And of course keep on sucking. Lindsey no calm. Calm down calm down. Why are you so worked up right now. Come on didn't think think think think think What comes people down peterman sandwich talk about no. I don't think he actually likes that combination. Hot wheels no. She never played sasquatch thinking about it could be a sasquatch running around here a little beasts and i think about it. That's that's a calm. You down nothing to be afraid of the sasquatch. Come on bigfoot you know. Maybe he's ready unicorn or something you don't know what he's doing.

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REShow: Bobby Wagner and Chris Parnell. Hour 3 (11-12-19)

The Rich Eisen Show

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REShow: Bobby Wagner and Chris Parnell. Hour 3 (11-12-19)

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Rick and Morty it's as popular An animated shows there is on television. Adult swim will premiere season for this Sunday night at eleven thirty thirty. PM Eastern and Pacific ten episodes and the man who plays Maurice Father. Jerry Smith is Chris Parnell who I love thirty rock and SNL back in the day. And we you went down a little bit of a Seinfeld wormhole last hour about what he He was in the the Butter Shave episode brief. Ben Oh my gosh. Lots to talk about with Chris when he when he joins just here on the show Bobby Wagner is going to be calling into the show in a short amount of time He will be joining US hopefully in a in a matter of minutes. What a game that was last last night? We talked about it with Peter King and this Performance even though it did not have the lights out a quarterback rating Did Not have the four five touchdown performance or accounting for four or five touchdowns either with arm or leg performance of Russell Wilson. But this is what I think will be talking about. Should he win an MVP this game because it sure felt like a playoff game to me last night it felt like it. It sounded like it and I'll just the crowd there but it sounded like it because almost as I said in the first hour every hit it ended with a thump and a man who personifies that. I'm not just saying that. Because he said he would call into this show The man and who personifies that and a perennial pro bowler. Who's on a hall of fame trajectory in my mind? It's name is Bobby Wagner kind enough to call it a day after a huge Monday night. Victory for the seahawks walks in Santa Clara. How are you bobby? I'm doing good. How are you felt like a playoff game? How about you definitely felt like you know you saw? The defense is doing great play. The crowd was loud Energy in the building was crazy. Obviously the game was crazy. The mean now again it just like I said every hit seemed to end with a thump whether it was you and your mates or the forty niners that way As well when did you begin to feel like it. was that type of an atmosphere in that type of game. Bobby I mean I think you knew it coming into into the game Even play Seeing how we wanted to play for like we have to be a lot more physical To kinda affect they're all phoenix. And so you know from the very beginning we thought we were coming out. We're going to hit it and It was Kinda just you know who he's GonNa hit the most and you know they're really fun game to play in. You know we went over time down to the last you know. Second so It's one of those games. Oh you definitely don't remember. You know the good team to go into the bye week so You know there's one of those games. We knew like the more physical teams going to be the one that went and manure it was so physical for sure. Let's let's Parse this out a little bit here. You had a front row seat for Davey and cloudy Best Game. Obviously that he's had with your team. Many folks are saying it may be the best game ease had period What what what do you think clicked for him last night? That might be repeatable. Moving forward lowered Bobby I just think he finally Got To the quarterback you know. I think you know when you watch the Games prior to it wasn't like he wasn't making. WHO's doing this? It's just a quarterback. They're getting the ball out before he can but he was getting a lot of Huby hits and so You know we did a pretty good job in the back end Making a Garoppolo. The ball liberal more allow Time for you to get there especially him you know. And and when he's in the backfield takes his you know one or two hits and you could just feel energy feel him turn it up notching. That's exactly what he did. He seemed like he was was around the quarterback or hitting quarterback almost every player. They try to drop back. And you know we're able to some saxes we ever get some fumbles create turnovers. Yeah and that's how is supposed to Bobby Wagner of Seattle Seahawks linebacker. Just fresh off of the plane back from Santa Clara off of a dynamite Monday night overtime win for Seattle right here on the rich Eisen show. Do you watch Russell from your position at all. Or what are you doing when the offense is out there on the field. I'm definitely I mean you try to go back to the sidelines and you look over to play that you uh you had mysteriously to ramp once you've done with that you you kind kind of get up and you want to support the offense and you know you get a chance to to watch Russell do some of the things he was doing and You know just crazy more in house house positions whereas fourth quarter or overtime we have so much confidence in him his ability to pay plays. 'cause you know for myself in K. D. Guy's been around and seen him do it for many years It's Kinda something we've grown accustomed to. Because how you know how much confidence that we have him and so it was kind of cool to see like the younger guys or you guys haven't really seen it how you know kind of sitting on the edge of their season and we're kind of you know calm 'cause 'cause we've seen is pitcher before well. It's interesting to from my perspective. Bobby since obviously I've been following this team since before for Russell and you arrived and now that Russell used to be the young guy he used to be the guy that everybody was depending on. But maybe not as vocal well As everybody else in the locker room and representing the entire team in a way because there were so many other Alpha males in the room. I wonder what your the perspective of his change in role or his change in anything because this appears to be his team right now bobby I mean he's he's always been a leader He's always been Levi's led by you know man the way that he felt was the best. And you know that's what works for you know like you said we had a lot of Guys that were Alpha male guy there little bit more outspoken. In your face that that he may have was but just because because it doesn't mean that he was doing things behind the scenes or Being legally I think that's grown especially as you know grown from not being the a young guys have been the the older guy and Trying to get guys to understand. What does it take to be a championship team? And you know you've done a great job guys on that in a happy I think. What about the fact that You Bobby and Russell. You're you're drafted same draft just one round apart that now you mentioned K. J. Right and I'm sure there are some other guys that have been there around for for a bit but from the Legion of boom era. Where you went to back to back super bowls two now? The transition appears to have been seamless. which is so career in the NFL? What what is your been your role in in being? I guess an extension of a coach Carroll's mantra or what what you believe to be a seahawk way in that locker room. Yeah I think my role as well as K.. Jason Crosses Role is to Like you said beating extension but provide that leadership provide that that guidance. 'cause we kind of been through some some seasons seasonable. We we started off good but we always been Really really well and so I think our job especially on my end is to WHO You know show the guys what it takes to be a professional show guys with it takes to be a good player and show them what I think. What do we do to to get to that level? What did we do to to Have the success that we were having and especially on. My end are a lot of times when you come in into it in the situation in your you seem gone earl. Gone and Cam gone and might be an and cliff and so on and so forth you sometimes feel like you have to Step in and be those guys and I think you know it was just important for me to say. It wasn't always like that Sharon what didn't just walk into the League and he was like that it took time for him to to turn into that player in so You know but he put the working so reminding those guys to put the work in and beat the best version of yourself and we'll be just fine and so we got A great leader on on offset. Well we've got great leaders on defense side of the ball and that's what asked why We're able to transition as well as we have Bobby Wagner a few more minutes it's left with the seahawks linebacker fresh off of an overtime victory over the forty nine entertaining. The forty niners their first loss of the season right here on the rich Eisen show. You told my colleague at the NFL network. Jim Trotter that You and Keiji were beginning. No sniff out. Some of the checks of Jimmy G.. Is that correct. Yeah I mean it you know man you know you sit there especially on a the side of the ball. Home In our chronic is so amazing so loud. It's not always we don't get to hear every check that they They may but you know we're on. The road is is quiet because they went off and be able to to communicate. We're able to just kind of listening and really get a good feel For where they were going. 'cause this is you know one of the harder teams. We watched him to pick up on anything. Tennessee wide They have so don't mean different places and they run so many different so many different complement and clearly to each one of their Price that they have but you know we felt like we were able to to to hear him pretty well and start getting a feel for the way lions full-back with setting and You know we felt like it started to help us stores. There's a you know once we got that guys in the booth for Monday night we're saying or at least Burger for sure said that Jimmy G. rattled in the overtime. Would you agree with that assessment. Assessment Yeah we definitely felt like you know when you have County had ten hits himself. I believe When you apply and that type a pressure on the quarterback and face every every so often I it makes it hard for quarterback? Just sit there and just Throw the ball you know so we did a really good job back in or you know picking up the routes and you know seeing where he was trying to get the ball we had a lotta picks that we should have had and so hopefully next time we play we actually to come down with those and then a just a couple of cleanup items before I send you on into your bye week Bobby Did you bet laker tickets with Richard Sherman on last night's night's game is that a true story. This is a this is a story we were whoever said to get tickets so okay which we know which game we are not go to the game and I assume it's corey it's courtside right. I mean we're not messing around here correct term so you know taking you know the all I'm saying is it's two guys negotiated their own contracts and making a ton of money because you're definitely not paying anybody any fees for anything you should awesome you know from from agencies. You definitely could make something happen. Okay so you guys are going to have to going to the game together. Bought sure it's a win win is we'll go to the game and You know we were huge Laker Fan. Okay we were with them when they wasn't doing so well and so Now seems like you know. We took games without You know the top of the division. It's it's a really fun time. Yeah and We've definitely catching so if you know about Rivalries which you know very well I mean. You're not concerned about the clippers. You don't WanNa go to clippers game. I mean Colli Coli Paul George gotta they gotTa do it for you. Know what I'm saying like it's cool to go on the town and all that stuff but they gotta they gotTa succeed. See for at least one everybody's crowning before they even you know put a eighty two games. They could go to the playoffs. They could choke We don't know. Oh so lakers. We have history of of winning multiple championships. So let win one first. Okay all right I I respect respect that certainly since somebody who just walked in front of the whole country can see can talk it for sure like that. Why why is Definitely I eight back in the UH talk to that kind of fun I was On twitter a couple of weeks ago. Somebody sent me a picture. I didn't. I didn't realize that I played eight in high speed. No kidding yeah so I'll tell you the picture but Yes to the women like boxing them out or something. So it's kind of funny when you buy Boardman. Is that what you're saying in high school. I don't know if I know you know there's no I got. I think you should just say that you did get the rebound. That's fine. That's what I'm GonNa go a number. It probably wouldn't keep your head a triple double Twenty twenty or twenty. I like it I like it. Let's just keep just keep getting bigger bigger last one for you. Were you out at the coin. Toss for overtime. Bobby will you out there. No Gino okay. No I just didn't know he went up by himself He went up by. I am self for the coin. Toss you do realize people think he said tails and you've got the ball awarded to you incorrectly. Are you aware that bobby now. Well I mean I. I wasn't aware of it but I'm pretty sure people try to find ways to to be mad when they lose so Just go ahead L.. We'll see them again. And you know make sure I guess he makes Mike that when he Does the coin toss. Okay okay we get into overtime okay. And it's double or nothing with Richard for week. Seventeen right maybe maybe something. Okay Bobby really appreciate you call an taking the time with your bye week and then after that game like I said You're you're one of my favorites and I appreciate you doing this immensely mentally thank you. I appreciate you haven't any time and I'm always loved being on your show saying that. You always have a place here just like you do in the middle of the seahawks defense. That's Bobby Wagner her linebacker fresh off of the big win last night in San Francisco right here on the rich Eisen show man he just brings it so he could sit here and say clippers have to put something out first before he's he's also Laker Fan at B. Wags with Z fifty four on twitter and instagram. Hello to you Chris. Parnell good to see you sir. Hello you. It's the man Chris. Parnell Rick and Morty which debuted on adult swim last Sunday lab episode seasons season four is underway. We've got rick emojis. Chris Parnell right here on the rich Eisen show. Don't you dare move. Everybody's got to do list. Drop off the dry cleaning pick-up some milk. Here's an idea. Let's add save hundreds of dollars on car insurance to that list and the good thing is you don't have to drop off or pick up anything. All you have to do is go to GEICO DOT COM. Tom And in fifteen minutes. You could be saving fifteen percent or more on car insurance extra money in your pocket. Of course this may be the most rewarding to do you do today. Walk back to the rich Eisen show not to the listeners and viewers but to the man right to my right he came on a few years ago. And we're thrilled to have him back talking about Rick and Morty returned to adult swim that happened just a couple of nights ago season. Four premiere last Sunday and it. It's on every single Sunday night at eleven thirty PM Eastern and and Pacific on adult swim Saturday night live and thirty rock. Alum Chris Parnell back here on the rich Eisen. Show get to see you sir. Good to see what do you get the most when people say Chris Chris Parnell what what are you. What are you hear about the most? I don't know there's a lot of Rick. And morty there's a lot of archer there's a lot of doctors. POTEMKIN doctors pitchman. Yeah UH THIRTY ROCK FROM THIRTY ROCK. Just that is I missed thirty rock. I bet you do right. I mean what is what an amazing fund show that was it was now. I've heard I've heard a rumor that they're doing a spinoff With Ted Danson. But I don't know any details. Thirty rock spin off. Well Ted Danson. That's what I've heard but I don't know if it's true. Well let's let's started like right here like let's let's do it in a bar especially nobody's no the whole no no no. That's that's cheers. We're talking thirty rock actress. Same Family I guess Right Church Wrong Pew would be. This would be the we could. We could start it. I thought I don't think we're going to be held accountable. No you're if we start that rumor now thirty rock you got involved with that through Tina fey and everybody else from the. Yeah Tina Fey and Robert Carlyle. Yeah yeah they I think they. I think they had me in mind for Dr Spook Jaman. Yeah okay Because I'd worked with him for quite a few years there's a at SNL and right. Yeah I mean that's what a gift you know. You don't get to do characters that are that insane that often they just lines that you could just chew up and just have a good time with you. Just try to try to say them as as as naturally earliest possible because the lines themselves to all the word you can you recall one. That's one of your favorite doctors but chairman lines not to put you on the spot even though by the way. That's what people do all the time. I'm not to put you on the spot. Even though I'm not doing exactly that do you remember any well. There was something about He was talking to patient. I don't know it was Alec Baldwin or who he pointed out that no one knows where the human heart is medically. He got a lot of things wrong. A lot of things that as a doctor. I should've known should know that sort of thing you should know you should know. Most people know the things that we don't know what the human heart is whatsoever Chris Parnell here on the rich Eisen show and again before we get to rick. And morty a little bit here I do want to stroll down a little bit down memory lane with you with Saturday night. Live one one of the all time greatest skits you were in the cowbell sketch. What was your Recollection of that being put together and end the execution. If you will of it Chris will will Farrell wrote it. Technically the name is recording studio. That's the that's the name of the Scots the name that he put on the on the sketch on the script right that we read that Wednesday at the table read and I don't remember the read through or anything. I'm sure it went well but I just just remember how much fun everybody was having while we were shooting the scene live. What is going on and and I don't know it was? You know you can never predict when something is going to be a hit and longevity that that's had but with Walkin with Christopher walken doing his thing so perfectly yes such amazing comedic instincts. Thanks And he just just sold it perfectly you know and then and then will is hilarious and yeah. So how did you get assigned to that. I mean do you get get assigned to it or whoever writes the peace or whatever team writes the peace you know they cast it right. And unless Lauren has a real objection or something right well it is whoever they put in the role so right. We'll we'll do the casting. So what what do you think What what made everybody crackup? The most was it. Was it. Walk INS delivery. His halting delivery about how he makes gold-plated records when he wakes up or war that wills belly began to show because he really into the cowbell. Chris what do you think I th. I think I'd have to look at it and break it down to be able to say authority. Yes I think it was both you know. I think it was both just what will doing around the set but you know walk in just killed it right. I mean it was amazing. One of the best. Yeah were you also in the Colonel Angus sketch as well with Christopher Walken as Ralph. That's right now I kind of I need to dance around the subject a little bit here on this live broadcast to or were you concerned at all about That episode sketch. No not at all. No no I mean if you know if the sensors hadn't said anything about it after the table read now and then we did the dress rehearsal and right nothing and so nothing nothing and then you're like we're in the clear did you. Were you thinking we're never going to get this one on the air. Oh No no no I. I felt pretty confident that it was okay because Tina wrote but it was you know the way she crafted it and you know how could you say anything about it you know. Did you ever break. Weren't you known as the ice man or something like that on on Saturday night live like you never broke correct. I I just a trick. So I don't think I did breaking in the Colonel Angus or the recording the art recording studios studio. Yes you can call it. The cowbell cowbell sketch. If you're not cracking up in those years you're never gonNA break in that. I you know I tried tried not to I tried to. I tried to be in the moment you know. Is that director and right. I think some people probably had a little more fun in the moment than I did but Yeah I tried uh I tried to hold it. Because he's the one who is easiest though to break Jimmy in a ratio when they were together especially Jimmy Fallon for sure. Yeah there would really break crack crack each other up. Yeah but you never want. I mean you just asked me in my ear. How do you do that? Sort of thing. It's just kind of like you can't cheer in the press box. The only thing that I can equate to anything that would come with what I do is. You're not allowed to you know screamer yellow box and also just having no joy inside that helps being a hollow shell of a man saying exactly. That's the that's the that's the discovery. That's the real your hollow. Shell of a man well it's just blackness. Understood pure darkness. Chris Parnell here on the rich Eisen show. Why are you not on twitter? INSTAGRAM social media. Why are you not on their Chris? I barely keep up with emails. Okay and and When all these other things came along just like Oh? That's you know it started with facebook and it's like I don't want that responsibility and same with twitter and it's all of it. It's just like I don't in a but you have been on twitter. No never never no never once never once okay. I don't have a twitter account ever on any social media at all everyone. I've got a like a Secret facebook account that I can go look at my family member. Lucy Liu or someone look like twice a year. Maybe why was I told that you and Larry King got into a beef is editor story story. It's not just trying to figure that out. Now that's an odd thing for me to bring trying to start a rumor. It is coming back to thirty rock. I can just pretty much do all that. How did you get involved in the Seinfeld episode of that? You did one Seinfeld episode. We talked about it earlier. The the butter shave episode. Yeah I mean you know I was. I hadn't been in La that long. And I don't honestly know I I started to get little guest star parts reference sitcoms. It comes in and I think I had a manager agent by that point and I can I think I just went in and auditioned. Just just got the GIG and what was it like being on the sevens that the very end. It was the last season of Seinfeld when you were there. I Know Your Life Chris even including that that beef with Larry King. You think you didn't have. That's terrifying yeah. It was. It was cool. It was cool to be in the in the green room where everybody's kind of hanging out and then and Jerry Seinfeld was working on his lines with somebody and yeah. I mean it was awesome to be a part of that unbelievable show. And now you're part of Rick and Morty on adult swim season four just premiered eleven thirty PM Eastern and Pacific traffic. What do you think this show works in the way does Chris well? It's it's the writing it's so much of it. And then they I mean they. It takes so much time to craft each script. I mean that's why there's so many delays and there's so many you know long hiatus because they a- Dan Harmon and Justin Roland really just WANNA and get it right and they've put together an amazing team of writers and then Justin is pretty brilliant as rick. And morty you know so you got this family family unit which gives it some sense of grounded in reality yes and then then they can just go anywhere and do anything with the setup you know with the portal gun and they can go into any dimension They can fly anywhere in the universe and Rick Spaceship. And it's it's I don't know it's just. It's a brilliant premise. And they and they write right it really well and does it ever confuse you when you're just reading it on the page and you need to because I'm imagining. It takes months for something like this to actually put together right I think so. Yeah so you just say your words and you're just you know then you just go about your business being Chris Parnell yeah. I don't I can't claim any responsibility for any of the creative aspects affects the show right and what my voice does on it but Yeah it's it's amazing it yes. It is confusing sometimes. What I'll usually? It's it's laid out clearly enough on the page. I can follow it. And then I'll sometimes I'll think they'll man the animators have really got their work. Cut Out for them with this one. Because it's going to have sixty four. TV TV screens different. You know different realities going on at once sometimes right massive. And how do we know how many more seasons of this are are going to be made aware this happily adults mortared seventy episodes so I think that includes the five right five now and then the five it'll come in the second half of season four right And then yeah multi multiple seasons under that going. Yeah that is fantastic with Last one for you from your entire are characters that you play. What is your favorite voices or people that you've imitated or anything like? What was your favorite that you were that you did Chris I ah I probably have to say doctors Benjamin? Yeah that was. That was pretty amazing although Fred Shay I pleaded guilty named Fred Shay with on a gas tire Augusta on ABC show Schokaldberg Tori And that was a lot of fun that was that was pretty grade. Just the the cast was awesome fun role but doctors pajamas. I'm in is in the clubhouse right now absolutely fantastic. Hey Chris thanks for coming on I. I don't let's not do for years. Okay let's not okay let's not because In the segment that we're GONNA do television only next Play for Chris. The drop you you kindly did a drop for for us. You know that we've been using every single week when Chris Brockman over there Provides I guess you've been using air quotes a lot during this this conversation. Let us it right here. Gambling advice okay and no fence Chris. No fifty percents. Well our our phrase. It's called sneaky. Good Games with Chris. Brockman okay And you know we were thinking. It's better than a coin flip. What what should we use for it but this is what we came up with? Then you now like we do this every single week. Here on the rich Eisen show. I'm Chris Brockman with sneaky good Games James Contests likely surprise you. Were there heretofore undisclosed competitive. It's very stupid every every week. Give him around and the royalty checks must have gotten lost in the mail. Sorry to say I'll collect on my way out the door for you. That mug is yours to keep. It's Nice Party against for you but before you do go. Oh we would like to have you provide us with one more. That's okay sure. Appreciate you Jones. We've got that copy for Chris Parnell when we come back on the television side of things and we will return on the radio and television side of things. Chris Brockman News update that may or may not have a new drop in time than the rich Eisen show and it won't play and that's exactly what I knew would happen. Come on Mike now. We'll play. We're having we tried it. Mike you had just worked in the break actually did work in the break. My your Garoppolo Oh and overtime Kasur really join a hit. The drop without the music with a report of the day's news from the world of sports and entertainment someone who is not a journalist or news man by any definition of the word whatsoever. Chris Brockman AH. And you're so pissed 'cause you got a degree from Syracuse New House. A new school technically. That's on the two thousand nine main journalist of the year boards columnist of the year for what publication while I worked for the Journal Tribune for five years. Okay for me that just recently recently closed its doors this year after one hundred and six hundred you rip. Couldn't you rip in Mame Solar. Is You hold to account the sports columnist of the year. I mean you're familiar with this every year. You know you would clip off stuff earlier me real whatever clips every year for those Main Press Association. That year I believe Levi wrote a march madness preview column and that was my walk. That was my winning submission. Two years earlier I. I'm also also an award winning film critic two years earlier. I wrote a review of Ghost rider. Starring Nick Cage and one the Main Press Association awards. There's nobody nobody predicts category. Nobody else right in Maine at the time that it was just not true but you daily publications and state of Maine now five and several weeklies. Let me guess You didn't like ghost rider. I think I think that when I wrote at the time was thank God Eva Mendez is cleared showed up. You know what that deserves an award. You're right now my bad then I started getting all of the weird things the words neither Sisko nor Ebert ever said Mr Phil Clinic over Guy All right so do you have the that cannot on on on I. We're we're not marrying it live anymore. We're such high wire act the first time. I'm sorry this news reports brought to you by the twenty twenty hundred pilot. I was awesome mid-2000s a weird time with seating for up to eight and available intelligent traction management. You can haul all your all pros this season so hardy your local Honda dealer today all right just a couple of quick. NFL thing. The camp obey bucks a surprise. Release starting quarterback Vernon Hargraves this morning the eleventh overall all pick of the two thousand sixteen draft. He was benched after her. Bruce Arians said that he had a lack of hustle during the game. Yeah you know I remember with with backdraft. Let me make sure always right. No I remember that draft. The giants had the pick before and I think took ally Apple. I think you're right about that. Everyone's just like how you taking. Eli Apple over Vernon hargraves and the bucks Scott Vernon hargraves and everyone was just like man the bucks you know lucked out because Jerry Reese. I didn't know what he was doing now. Neither are on their original team. Correct correct correct about. I remember that sitting on the draft said errands like giants. To cornerback. ACA comes Vernon R. Graves and know the name was Eli apple that was also while the whole Laremy tunsil thing was going on and I'll tell you what though amazing in this amazing the bucks bucks have only three wins this year. Correct one of them the first one for areas his first ever career win with the bucks was because Vernon hargraves stopped Christian. McCaffrey Afri on that fourth and inch. He's the one that he's the one who made the play. Yeah only two picks in four years been kind of a disappointment word. See you watching the game last night. Fourth quarter over time seahawks fans. Probably wonder why Tyler Lockett was not out. There had a issue with his leg compartment syndrome. That is serious stories business. Yeah series business. Pretty severe situation swelling in his leg threatened blood flow Below his contusion Pete Carroll said they were they got ahead of it luckily did say today that he's GonNa be okay seahawks on a bi week. coming up but he did spend the night in the hospital that that could be serious and sometimes require prior surgery to fix okay. And he's a good. Excuse me off the bye in a locket Josh Josh Gordon Two more weeks of practice that big I catch on a third down. The chain that setup Myers first of two field goals the one in regulation C. R. Goodman eighty-two Good Seattle they come off there by oh boy Sunday night at Philadelphia via their next while their next three games are nationally. Televised there at Philadelphia for Minnesota in a soda on Monday night. So in the ready for get ready for booger talk about more about Russell Wilson being the MVP candidate which by the way he is he pissed off so many people and then they're Seattle at the rams week fourteen not flexing out of that new although if the rams of his the next I think als coming in next next week as his birthday he sat right happy birthday. Al Michaels Him and Ryan Gosling. Hey L. Seventy five years wow uh-huh NBA items. woge pointed out Paul George set to make his debut for the clippers on this row. Chip team hasn't decided. If it's going to be tomorrow night in Houston Houston or Thursday in New Orleans. Because he's going to be I don't know if he's going to be managed food man and I'm sure also stay tuned to play is. Should we get a Christian. We should have Chris do allowed Manchester loved by this date and load management history. Now that's funny this date and load management here. Oh my gosh I still here okay. It's strange story a co the Brooklyn next. David Levy has just resigned less than two months right on the job After being hired by new owner Joe Thsi so the nets announced Tuesday that he mutually agreed to part ways. I have no fuller president of uh-huh. Gosh wow okay. Oliver Weisberg taken over Today's we entered this exciting new chapter for organization. It's it's important that ownership and management are completely aligned on our forward. Go Plan I have I have I have the statement right here in the last line is is no matter how crazy this may seem. We're still way more functional than that Schmendrick who owns the team across the East River they spelled schmendrick correctly. So doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if this looks dysfunctional. Because compared to to the New York Knicks stay above the wormhole. They are like they. They are a smooth well oiled schick dough and wormhole trump. Now no no. Oh okay rookie of the year. Now last night Major League Baseball Pita Lonzo one and your now Varez no brain American league now. Speaking of the Astros a story stories just dropped in the athletic dis. Ken Rosenthal and Evan Drellich Saying according to four people who are with the Houston Astros in two thousand seventeen ono including pitcher might fire said that during the season the Astros stole signs during Home Games in real time with the aid of a camera. Amera positioned in the outfield electronics. Signed ceiling in their in their world championship season. Yes Major League Baseball investigation into the Astros Culture in the wake of the teams teams firing assistant. GM Brandon Todman could be expanded to determine who in the organization was aware of the sign stealing practice whether it continued or revolved in subsequent seasons. The athletics confirmation of the rule breaking by Houston is limited to two thousand seventeen so the year they won at all. Yes okay okay. Huge story on the athletic sure it is in. Everyone's going to be like address. This asterisks that just understand. They won game seven in Los Angeles so they beat the Yankees though and four games and he's saying Games in Houston. Yeah Yeah I. I'm sure the Yankees will be looking into for that but this is going to be a big story. And they won all three games in They lost every game in Houston in the world series and they won every game away from Houston in the world world series this year. So I stopped that you're still And then we'll get one more item in here so the firing of the guy who screamed about a you know now. I'm so glad we signed Osuna at female members of the media who got fired for that for that behavior mets one way to put this is connected like he he might have been part of the scheme and then his firing has led to what him going out the door saying. Okay I'll I'M GONNA spill. Oh yeah trump. I think the investigation into his firing is now it kind of expanded to in Mali. Gosh you got one more item here. Yes saquon Barkley said. He's not going to shut down for the remainder of the season as some had hinted that or suggested the patch Yesterday that he should do okay. I I have one piece of breaking news to the organization that gave you best. Film critic of the year in Maine has resigned. Shame after you revealed main main processors on the award. The Main Press Association has resigned in shame after you revealed moments ago how you will not assume they read my columns there. I have a great movie kyle seriously did. What were you up against? Somebody who wrote there's in Crayon would win an award for saying it's a good thing that even Mendez's Cleveland showed up or something like we said critics. I'm being critical. No no you're not. You're being an adult. Oh My oh my God I gotta go back Home Cinema. Got It Charles Woodson's on tomorrow's show he and Reed Were correspondent for the grind on this week. So Charles will join us and tonight's the College Football playoff latest rankings can make quick prediction going out the door. Yeah when he got Alabama before. You're pissing everybody. I don't think so Alabama will be four pissing. Everybody all Clemson send what three then. Lsu Clemson Ohio state and Alabama pissing off. Everybody else. Just everyone talks about it tomorrow that I would I would I'll pay a dollar. I'll buy that for dollars. Say Frank thanks. Good thanks Peter King by Wow. That's a new drop. I'm a journalist. I understand Monday. Night is podcast night. The Los Angeles Lakers. What's happening? Everybody this is the official the Lakers. Podcast I'm your host Mike del Super pumped to be here flanked by Aaron our sewell. You ready to go. I'm ready. The Lakers will be a top ten defense team. That has to start or in this case of Lebron on an ad can sometimes camper outlet. I think they're both good candidates for. Mvp I really like the way that this team just feels to be around the. It's a it's a very clear message to stars in the broader AV and it's everybody else onboard the relationship that is developing between those two off the court and on the port their cohesiveness piece of news on the court. I think this is a special case. Then the two of them will enhance each other as opposed to taking away from each other. Be sure to rates. Subscribe and leader of you available in Apple podcasts and podcasts.

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"Is podcast is a production of the salem podcast network for more podcast like this. From courageous of conservative reason visit salem podcast network dot com Worry america your high candidate. Hugh hewitt inside the beltway back after going long yesterday. Doing a fascinating podcast with jane. Costa of the new york times. She is a young and rising media star and so she sat down with me for nearly an hour. You can go to the interview with hugh hewitt on i tunes spotify salem. Podcast network and listen to it. I'll play an excerpt from it. I think it's the definitive explanation that elite media legacy media and we define it in our conversation as left left left in an extension of the democratic party and I'll play a clip in the third segment this hour but watching to listen to the whole thing she's sharp and smart and fair minded and willing to answer direct questions. Most of my media guests often hem and haw and avoid questions. she doesn't. She's willing to respond to serious well framed inquiries at the end of any kind of conversation. That's based like that. You walk away saying well. The media's overwhelmingly biased to the left elite media is and that changes the american political spectrum and better that you heard from a new york times journalists than for me. I've been saying it for thirty one years on the air she is not i don't know she might be thirty one but she obviously gets it. And so i recommend you. Listen to it at the interview with hugh hewitt and senator your friends who say the media's fine fair and boy the only thing is are they engage in too much both sides 'isms and they're actually corporatists etc. Just send him the jane. Coast and interview from the interview with hugh hewitt overnight in israel. They thought maybe a mosit- had enough from one. Am in israel to nine am in israel. No rockets were fired by the terrorist organization. Moss against the civilians of israel. And then all hell broke. Look at ten o'clock in israel about three hours ago at the time. I'm talking to you in israel during the day waves multiple waves of missiles on israeli communities near the gaza border and an anti-tank missile fired by hamas operative at a military bus once again. Not the world's brightest terrorist hit an empty bus. Thank god that he didn't think it was empty and it did hit the button. It destroyed the bus. Israel has been worried that hamas looking for some kind of spectacular attack by see they have Naval commandos are via tunnel. Right up to the border or something with which can declare victory and go home because you're getting pounded in. Israel pounded them overnight and they will now pound them again overnight because hamas does not get the message stop firing israel rockets disraeli citizen so the wall street journal reports. There is mounting pressure among the us egypt qatar several european nations for a ceasefire. I note that the united arab emirates bahrain. Morocco are not mounting pressure for ceasefire because they view hamas says what it is. An extension of iran and team biden is not bad. They could be a little bit. They've got to do what they've gotta do. more that way but they're not bad it is driving the prog and look. The democrats are divided on israel deeply divided on israel. And i think the majority are with representative. Paul who was on cnn. With jake tapper. Yesterday cut number four. Well i do. I don't agree with that assessment. I mean. I don't think there's been a situation in the world where you had intense islands where it hasn't been helpful to have a full diplomatic full court press From the united states and the un security the come out with a ceasefire resolution is very important. I don't think it's appropriate that the united states blocked that and in fact. I think that might have you know emboldened even more so we have to use that tool. I think that president biden has been giving a very mixed message as you say it's transition and i'm happy that that has happened but we're a little bit too late to the picture with that and i think benjamin netanyahu thinks that joe biden is going to stand by him and i think we have to quickly reverse that idea. I think sending out these disarm sale in the middle of it approving the sale in the middle of it sends an extraordinarily bad message. Let's talk about another. We have a number of tools. That we can use your. Actually it sends exactly the right message. Which is the message. That america stands with israel as the overwhelming majority of americans do not the radical left that controls the democratic party and the media but americans do. She continued on representative. John paul did with jake. Tapper cut number five we condemn hamas firing those rockets. But i think you have to look at what prompted that behavior. I think there was the the continuing annexation that israel has been undertaking for years. Actually and jake. I was at connor mar several years ago when the bulldozers arrived to bulldoze that village was stopped by an injunction from the supreme court. But this has been a pattern of action from israel that frankly has taken away the idea. Even of two state solution has led to increased hopelessness from the palestinian people. And i think what hamas has done is obviously we condemn that but we have to look at the power balance here or imbalance as it were and we have to put more responsibility on israel in maintaining peace in the region. And so i think a lot of this when you look at the bombing of the building when you look at the indiscriminate bombing that has been happening the disproportionate loss of lives of palestinians have to be in a situation where you cannot. We have to do everything we can. As the united states to. That's enough it's so full. Allies normally that's my whole quotient for the show allowing democratic allies. Israel did not start this hamas dead. It's not the building. It was the hamas building in which they were using is a shield. It is not indiscriminate. It's just goes on and on that's the left Israel will defend itself. They ought to Team biden declined to impose sanctions on the nord stream pipeline misses an enormous defeat for freedom and enormous caving to germany and russia. So now joe. Biden has done more for russia in four months than donald trump did in four years donald trump's sanctioned the heck out of russia and was accused of russia collusion. Donald trump hands on the nordstrom. You gotta wonder the house back to january six commission. The senate doesn't look like it. Will texas governor. Abbott signed a fetal heartbeat abortion ban. Now that will come to. The same. Court is the same time as the mississippi law will but if that mississippi laws upheld the fetal heartbeat law will be upheld markets. Had a terrible day yesterday The federal review hinted that maybe they're not gonna stay forever at low interest rates. Meanwhile what today for bitcoin. It fell by as much as thirty percent. I told you don't invest in what you don't know what you can't afford to lose on something that's made up his affection. Meanwhile peter thiel and jd vance or two smart guys invest in rumble. They've invested in rumble. I'm sorry honorable and with teal and advanced bind at that means an incredible surge of capital and conviction by the way the reason bitcoins got an an unsolvable problem. It's a dirty currency according to financial times because it uses so much power to create its coins and it's coins which are backed by blockchain. Technology are nevertheless ridiculously dirty. They use a lot of. Co two finally Russell moore who has for years been a fine terrific and widely admired leader of the ethics and religious liberty commission of the southern baptist convention as left to join christianity today. Good luck to dr mores of inspirational learned scholar and leader He is however not spelling doom the southern baptist convention the washington post headline writers. Today have russell moore's departure from the southern baptist convention leadership prompts question over its future. No not really. The southern. baptists are really not dependent on one person. It's not a political organization not a political movement not a city council. It's not a corporation. Being led by steve jobs it's the southern baptist convention which has been around for very long time and it's going to be around for a very long time and isn't about one leader and one later going to christianity today. I just i think that's about the silliest headline sometimes. They headline writers want clicks and not to convey that but good luck to dr more and the southern baptist convention will continue to prosper markelle reports and the interview with jane. Kosan an excerpt of that were during the break and go. Download it at the end of the entity with you. I tuned spotify salem. Podcast network everywhere and come right back to the hugh hewitt show morning. Glory america are high candidate. Hugh hewitt inside. The beltway joined the eliana. Johnson of the washington. Free beacon where she is the editor in chief. Good morning ileana did you. i'm great. how are you great. I want to begin with over at the washington free beacon. there is a story. Headlined obama bros. urged donation to tear linked charity by crato. Several countries have banned the islamic relief. Charity for allegedly. Funneling money to a moss. Let's be fair to the three young men who are never fair to anybody. They originally backed islamic relief online and then they took it down so you're either ignorant or they got caught. What do you think it's hard to say. You can't put yourself in their heads but it is true. They posted a tweet expressing Sympathy for the plight of the palestinians and urging their followers to donate to a number of charities including islamic relief The state department has cut ties with Islamic relief umbrella organization islamic relief worldwide. Because they believe it takes the funds that are donated charitably and funnels onto her moss and Israel considers it terror links charity And the tweet has now come down. are decide what happened because they did not respond to a request for comment about why it was included in this a tweet. But you know the obama bros. were at the center of the Israel coverage They've been at it for about a week when tommy detour said he knew that the ap did in fact work out of the same office building as hamas. He had spoken to people in the building. And therefore i think went Like credence Or and justifications israel's decision to bomb that building and took a lot of blowback from their followers. It seems to me that in the wake of that they've been going out of their way to demonstrate There that they said with the palestinians on the transportation. Exactly what happened eliana. They are so transparent. Jon favreau john lubbock. Tommy vietor nine glove smarter than the other two times kind of a clown in. John has sort of been roses alter ego. And they're the privileged pod boys and it's hard to treat them with other than bemused contempt. Because they don't know much and they speak a lot and they may be i guess. Fabric can write a speech that was like a sea level washed. White house speechwriter speech on some occasions but they are making bank off of having an audience to which they served exactly what the audience wants to and they departed from it briefly with. Vito comments that yeah. Ap shouldn't have been in that. I'm interpreting here. Ap news was coming and he had to retreat so they tried to. Oh look we're really pro palestinian and pro hamas without saying it and then they got. They thought their foot in it and now they're screwed but it won't matter because on the left everything is forgiven right. I think that's right. And i mean the original tweet that he was being critical of israel and the tweet but it does tell you kind of where the left is. You can't even credit you. He he he took a lot of blowback. For even saying yeah. I spoke to people in the building. I was in the building. He's still believe israel shouldn't have done. What is it better. But nevertheless he confirmed the fact that if you reward something like using journalists as shields or children as shields then it will get repeated and ap to have known better interesting this morning. Iranian president ruhani is quoted in the israeli national news. Israel national news is saying we have reached agreements with the superpower's on the main part of the agreement. The west is agreed to remove key sanctions on oil petrochemicals shipping insurance in central banks. What do you make of that. If if that report is correct israel national news dot com. What do you make of it. I make of it thought of news day. You know it seems to me that from the time Biden won the election when he was inaugurated. It was very clear where this was headed. And that that biden officials rob malley. Tony blinken and the president ourselves are just trying to chart a path back into the iran. Deal that humiliates. The us the least But there they are willing to accept a fair amount of humiliation. Are you at all surprised by the depth and breadth of the anti israel media coverage of this war. I am It's amazing to I m deeply interested in what's happening. I want to know what's happening. And i find that it's really hard. If you read the american press to find out what actually is happening on the ground because Instead you get tendentious takes the new york times washington post and that's where you really have to read the israeli pressed to find out what is happening on the ground over there. There are three the times of israel. Jay post the jerusalem post dotcom and why net news dot com. Those are english language. You don't have to speak any hebrew and they have a lot of news. They're not be interesting. And if they're not covering the political situation out of deference to those who are in harm's way Which is a fascinating story as well but they cover the war. And i don't think most americans unless they listen this show will realize that hamas stop rocketing from one to nine. Am last night and then began barrage ing israel again with hundreds more missiles this morning and so. I don't see a ceasefire tomorrow you. I don't think so it. I think we saw over the past twenty four hours that he is not going to heed. What president biden. President biden's instructions to ceasefire. That doesn't surprise me but It wasn't early test. I think goes biden's sway with bv. I don't see a ceasefire coming A couple of other things. If you read the american press you. It would be very hard to tell that the started with hamas firing a barrage of rockets into israel. The focus has really been on the effects of israel's retaliation on the palestinians and eight. You know it struck me to. After that building was demolished. Their bureau chief wrote a diary about his experience of running. Out of the building and watching it crumble. And and you know the word loss was not in that piece. It's remarkable. it's actually kind of remarkable. Do you know who jane customers. I do okay. I admire work. She is a young journalist and work. She was on my podcast yesterday at length and she agreed to do exercise with me where i asked for her intuition. About what percent of the elite medium we defined it as the five thousand or so people who work for the biggs The post the times the networks etc. And i ran through a bunch of apathetic. What percentage of elite media favored conformation of amy coney. Barrack said five percent and asked what percentage favored voted for donald trump. Said two percent. Then i asked her okay what percentage are solidly pro. Israel solidly pro israel. Like hugh hewitt pro israel and the current war and she said twelve percent. Do you agree with that number. That seems you know hard to tell. But i don't think it's crazy I do think i'd be interested in who she thinks. Supported the confirmation of ami conybeare but didn't didn't vote for trump and five percents that probably some legal reporter who knows it amy. Barrett is brilliant. So i hope you listen to it. It's fascinating maybe. The next generation of media elites will be honest eliana. And that's what i love about jane. She just answered the questions. Most when i get elite media reporters they one argue about definitions when everyone knows what we're talking about. And she was. She's willing to tell me what she thinks. When you add up all of her answers let me is way left wing. It is an extension of the democratic party. Boy we've seen it on the defensive itself against the hamas terrorist attacks yet. I don jane. Hugh i think what distinguishes her is. That she is interested in conservatives and conservatism I'm a fan of her podcast. I think that the debates hosted moderates. They're excellent and And she doesn't treat them with contempt which sets her. You know sneering disdaining contents which distinguishes her from More or less the rest of the mainstream media But i also think On on the politics of the mainstream you know it's It is an extension party. And i often think you know i run a newspaper with You know we're open about our conservative bent. I know these people when i see them. I know i see people's political bias. These and the times in the post you know they're they're the left wing free beacon. I know my adversaries very left-wing free beacon and and that doesn't mean that they don't have me as a call. mr mark. Thiessen is a columnist or henry were kind of missionaries and you might have a liberal columnist but elliott. I want to go back to israel. I think they have now discovered. They're destroying the missile launchers very effectively with new technology and they're not going to stop because they can't get resupplied because of the abraham accords which is a major triumph for donald trump. Do you expect israel to stop before. They think they've done as much damage to those launchers in that missile supply as possible. A couple of things no. I don't expect them to stop. But you know. I i would like it. If the biden administration would say that it is in the american national interests to see hamas defeated and humiliated because They have a detrimental effect in gaza. And we you know it hurt any chance in the moderate driving palestinian leadership that that would be nice to hear it but yes it is about israel narratives to defeat him off. it's also in our android to utterly humiliate them. One hundred percent eliana. Why johnson on twitter and the free beacon dot com online. Stay tuned america. Welcome back america too with a bunch of republican senators this past weekend. And they all said if we don't hang onto the commonwealth of pennsylvania seat being vacated by the retiring pat toomey. It's going to be very tough to get to fifty one. So who will that candidate b. Sean parnell wants it to be him. Good morning sean. How are you a hugh. thanks for having me back. it's great to have you back. Kurt schlichter was the first guy to text me when you declared for the senate seat in pennsylvania said it'll be up sean is of course i've shot on. I didn't live with kurt when he gets hopes for me. Might get a cop in the studio but Shaan i for the benefit of the steelers fans are a little bit slow and may have forgotten. Would you go back over who you are and where you're from so yeah. I'm from western pennsylvania. I was born in oakland which is right outside. The city of pittsburgh went to greensburg central catholic. High school went to clarion. University was an elementary education major. I remember waking up with a little hangover turning on the tv set Just in time to watch an airplane crashed into the world trade center. A few days. After that i went down to the recruiter guy. Joined the infantry not the portrayal wanted to put airborne school where they teach that a perfectly good airplanes and then i wanted to go to ranger school and then on the front lines of of of the war in afghanistan. You know and that this is sort of what i learned a life lesson of. Be careful what you wish for. Because after years later. I was in afghanistan getting shot every day with mission of finding osama bin laden. Unfortunately we didn't find him but we found a lot of bad guys there over four hundred eighty five days of combat than i ended up. Being wounded came back went to kane dot my master's degree and president trump called me out about ten years later to run for congress and never met him never spoke to him and he came to western. Pennsylvania spoke at the marcellus shale coalition. Called me out to ron. I turned my life upside down and gotten the race in two thousand twenty and and it was. It was an incredible experience for sure. But here we are again now. I'm curious on. You will win a congressional seat if you run into redistricting congressional seat. Connor lamb is going to run for senate. You might get a rematch with connor lamb. You lost by this much to connor lamb. Why not take the safe route. I mean that's the obvious question. Connor lamb leaves. It's your district. It'll be redrawn. It'll be your district. You'd win in a walk especially off against the an empty income and connor lambie marine himself. That was sort of combat veterans combat veteran. Why go for senate well. I think the senate is where the critical fight is one of the things that they teach you. As as a young leader in the military leadership is all about going to where the fight is the toughest and as you mentioned leading in senate control depends on the state of pennsylvania. We have to hold this seat. We have to give our best and we have to give ourselves our best opportunity to win even with no political experience right. I got in the race for congress. It was not part of my life plan at all right. Like one of my life's ambition was not to be a politician but guy the race with no political experience. We we amassed over ten months time. Forty five thousand individual donors thousands. I mean thousands of volunteers that that believe they were part of something greater than themselves. We caught ourselves parnell's platoon which i know that sounds kind of silly but people liked it and it was fun And i think at another consideration. Hugh when you look at the census data here in pennsylvania. The vast majority of the population decrease was hear in allegany county in western pennsylvania with a nine point two percent decrease in population. So you in all likelihood now. I don't know what the district's looked like but i think there's a real good chance that seventeen goes away because it's a geographically. Small district either gets merged with the city. Of pittsburgh congressman. Doyle's district are merged with sixteen. Mike kelly's district in which case There's really there's there's no political path for me but there is an open senate seat here and being default aggressive and audacious has always been part of of of the way that i do business and so that's where we're going sean. Where is the campaign website for senate. Oh yes it's parnell for senate dot com. You can find out all about my platform you can go and contribute to the campaign and join the movement. But don't do that on google because if you try to google sean parnell for senate. You won't find my website. Just did that. I just did that. And i thought oh he must not have stood up yet. What is up with google. There's only one if you google sean. Parnell for senate. It ought to go to your website. It's it's it's really a look when we talk about reforming section to thirty and and trying to figure out what we do with big tech. It's a problem. This is a textbook example of big tech putting their thumb on the scale the only way that raised digital money. And you know this is through my website. It's the future. It's the way that we it's the way the best way for candidates to raise money and as you know campaigns are all about your ability to raise money. We'll google is making it harder for me to do that. If it's incredible i put in sean parnell for senate and then i went doubled down campaign website. I got republican sean. Parnell announces run for the senate from nbc news. Got your twitter. Handle at sean parnell. Usa which is good. But it's not the same. I got a facebook link. I got a ballot. Pedia listing got an ap news story. I got a pittsburgh city paper story. Which is. I'm sure going to be complementary. I get your website i. It's absolutely astonishing to me. It would be. It's what i'm looking for if you go. But if you go to yahoo or being or duck duck go punching the same thing. My website comes up first right so here. Here's the problem is is that the vast majority of this country uses google. And if you've been punched in any of my opponents like just throw in any. One of the democratic candidates throw in john veteran and his website comes up first. So here's google making it easier for democrat democrat opponents to raise money in more difficult for me to republican so repeat if you can the campaign website for people. Yeah it's parnell for senate dot com. You can learn all about my platform there. I'm an open book and perhaps most importantly if you feel compelled contribute to the campaign in. Help me win this fight. That's parnell with tools for the steelers fans. They you know. There's only one allen steelers so they're going to. They're going to forget that second. Now you are a steelers fan. Aren't you shot of course back when we kicked off the campaign hugh we went into south billy to the italian market there and told all the business owners. They're look. I'm not going to be one of those pandering politicians it should. I be honored to throw out a first pitch at a phillies game. I ain't wearing a half philadelphia half pittsburgh pirates at. I'm just a straight pittsburgh through. And through and i think they respected that i think the billy fans respected the loyalty and dedication to the all things pittsburgh. How'd you like that playoff game this year. Browns pittsburgh in three rivers. How'd you like that. I like that a lot. That was really special to me. I thought that was the best playoff game. I may have seen in years in fact it was will make playoff win. I've seen in twenty years so even the browns fan. I'm not gonna talk about the past. Okay the steelers have. I'm focused on the future. I'll give a very political answer. Focus on the future. I think the steelers the steelers are uniquely positioned this year. They're very uniquely position called the last season for tara for big. Ben i wanna give absolution for any browns fan wants to support sean parnell for senate and it's parnell percent dot com sean. Let me go back to the campaign. Specific there bunch of democrats were thinking about. were running. They're going to be lifted by the coattails of josh apparel. I know the attorney general. I think he's a very fine candidate. I don't even know if we'd got anyone in the race. So you're going to be battling ahead win on the other hand you'll be running joe biden and he. Joe biden has not been good for pennsylvania. As far as i understand. You've been very bad for pennsylvania. So does that offset the shapiro edgy. The very big statewide vote getter. How do you keep yourself out of the governor's race focused on the senate. Well i mean first of all. I think The state of pennsylvania's imminently winnable for republicans. I think that in twenty twenty two. We're going to have the wind at our back and josh shapiro. Yeah he's got statewide name. Recognition but in a in a divided state like pennsylvania that can be a double edged sword fifty but he's he of course will be a strong incumbent on the democrat side but look hugh in two thousand twenty even with all of the chaos with the pandemic in the election here in pennsylvania and last minute changes unilateral changes to election law. Here we still had to republicans win. Statewide in the state of pennsylvania and congressional republicans got eighty thousand more votes statewide than congressional democrats. This state is winnable. And then you add to that all disastrous policy decisions by the biden administration whether it's people's taxes rising debt and deficit soaring border being flooded energy industry being crushed crushed the first amendment under attack. Second amendment is too. There are lots of things that we're going to have to campaign on. And i think at the end of the day and twenty twenty two. You're going to have a lot of moderate democrats and independence. Maybe have a little bit of buyer's remorse with joe biden. Who most of these folks thought that he was going to be a moderate but he's been anything but in the first one hundred plus days of his presidency. And i think they're gonna come back our way and so part part of what i'm excited about you. Being at the top of the ticket is setting vision for pennsylvania one of economic prosperity unshackling the pennsylvania economy protecting the energy industry but also right having a strong innovative market-based gop plan for for healthcare. Right want to make sure that people have a litany of choices for health care and we wanna make sure do everything we can to drive. The cost down with good market based solutions is all of that. I think is going to be important because at the end of the day here i think what people in pennsylvania democrat republican. Independent is just a pass a stronger more vibrant country down to the next generation. And i think if we can articulate a strong vision for what that looks like republicans are going to be successful in twenty twenty two. We've got a minute left shawn. I'm from warren. Ohio so northeastern ohio is basically pennsylvania. I grew up seven miles from sharon. So i know your homeland very very well. How do you play over on the other part of the state that i don't know from harrisburg east. How does shawn personnels brand work there. Well i think. I think i think it's gonna work fine because my my brand is is not necessarily about a republican solution are democrats solution right. My brand is about finding the right solution for the people of pennsylvania and so we're going to take that message and the idea that the republican party is the party of ideological diversity. I don't care if you're a democrat independent. Maybe a little bit differently. But if you believe that american greatness is worth fighting for and you believe that america is a fundamentally good place. You're welcome in in in our poll tune in our tent. And so we're gonna take that message everywhere. And i think it's going to resonate. I think you'll get past that forty five thousand mark quickly knell for senate dot com on twitter at sean parnell. Usa am i right about that. That's right back thanks you. Hey sean good to talk to you. We'll talk to you off. And like i said when schlichter's in for me then you basically will be co hosting so enjoy that even though you have to be with kurt. Thank you sean. Parnell they will thanks Parnell for senate dot com bat. Google thing was just wild. I'm glad i'm not losing my mind. I was thinking really cornell for senate. I wanna be able to find cornell for senate and sure enough there it is. It's it's full blown. It's fully loading texas sean. To forty seven six eight two. Sean parnell for senate you get the email the cell phone. They'll get involved in the campaign. But i just cannot believe that. Google makes it that hard to find. Sean parnell at that is eight thumb on the scale. Welcome back america. I'm hugh hewitt joined by former united states. Senator jim talent who represented the great state of missouri is now with the bipartisan policy center. Follow matt jim talent on twitter. Good morning senator. Talent how are you good morning. Great work you've been doing with ambassador. Oren in pointing out his His essay in the tablet. This kid It's essential reading. I think people who have listened to the six or seven times the ambassador's been on since hamas attacked. Israel have noted that in his voice there is a growing sort of grim determination that israel will not will not leave until the launchers it can are destroyed and all the rockets that it can destroy your destroyed. You hear that to senator talent. Well yeah i do. And i think it's really important Not only to teach the right lesson to hamas but also to help avoid the possibility of an essence a two front conflict for israel if hezbollah were to become active so you want to take care of the one aggressor Rather than wait until they both attack the i. I believe one of the benefits of the abraham accords was that sudan from which many of the missiles that are now being fired at israel transited from iran is now part of the solution not part of the problem so as hamas expense their inventory. They're not gonna be able to resupply it as easily. That's true in One of the things that that best that our own points out in in in the tablet is how quickly the biden administration is moving to take steps. Which could really undermine those accords Both by the relief. It's providing iran but also by the u-turn in policy and the opposition to the saudis basically sanctioning punishing them for their role behind the scenes. In you trying to construct the abraham accords. I'm very concerned about that earlier. This morning israel. National news reported quoting iranian president. Rouhani saying we have reached agreements with the superpower's on the main part of the agreement. The west is agreed to remove key sanctions on oil petrochemicals shipping insurance and central banks. Back to appeasement. Jim talent right and what this is. It's it's all because of of a of a strategy. That obama had find this picking up again to try and construct a security arrangement in the middle east around a partnership with iran And it won't work. Because iran is hegemonic. It is to tally. -tarian and it wants to dominate the region and the other countries in the region including our traditional allies and partners israel. egypt Jordan the gulf states in the last few years the saudis are not going to go along with it. So what we're gonna do is we're going to end up without an influence with anybody because around is still going to hate us. And the countries that do have a mutual interest with us on a suspect us and distrust us because we're turning our back on them imperils. The abraham accords. Those accords were founded on on the foundation of a common interest of those countries in the united states in containing iranian ambitions in and aggression. And if you're going to reach out to run you undermine the whole basis for those courts it's also besides tall to its khomeiniist and unlike marxist-leninist that want all of capitalism to go down the khomeinyism is martyrdom oriented and really wants to destroy israel. United states senator. Talent when i when i look at what's going on especially in the media from the very virulent statements about israel. It's no longer about sort of a vision of being nixon to china and getting iran aligned. They really a large part of the democratic party is anti israel. I don't even know if they support the right of the state to exist anymore. Yeah if you've been reading probably have very wise column about it Or recounts about it. It's very discouraging. There are still strong voices. She interviewed Congressman torres who is a good voice but they're increasingly in the minority and pressuring biden to abandon israel which you know he's not really four in the first place. Yeah it's very difficult looking as a recipe for war and instability in the middle east. You're right obviously about iran. The these state sponsor of g have in the world and i. It's just amazing to me to watch the progress that president trump achieved there which is really just a continuation of of our basic strategy in the past partnering with israel egypt jordan and the gulf states to stabilize the region around an acceptable equilibrium in china by the biden is abandoning them and there. There are other voices in the party. That are worse young millennial journalists and young members. They do not seem to know the story of israel they really don't and i think they hate netanyahu so much they think. Netanyahu is a republican or something they do not understand israeli politics and they are give you the last forty five seconds senator. That they're just not very smart about the middle east. Yeah i agree with that. I liked your interviews with With fred barnes and matt continental who were talking about. Why i think part of it is an ignorance just a lack of knowledge lack of the historical background. I mean ben rhodes called it on them years ago when you look at it really know anything so whatever we tell them they've i think that's part of the problem particularly with the newer generation one hundred percent. And if they would read lionsgate by stephen press field. I think maybe the best one volume. It's not purely history. It's sort of Juiced up history so that it makes it more dramatic and brings you into the moment they would be well served. Jim talent is available at twitter at jim talent. I'm available on our three peter baker. The new york times joins me. James hamad of the washington post Morning glory america canada. We talked to dr peter baker degree recipient from oberlin college. I believe this past week. Hello peter how are you. I'm good thank you very much. Nothing you don't miss anything. do you think over. Lynn is where my father and brother went classic forty-six and seventy three respectively so. I'm always watching oberlin. News congratulations is their nickname. Still the yeomen or they've been forced to abandon that now. It is the omen neo women. If you're a swimmer they call them the fish. Yeah absolutely all right very good. I am curious. How often do you do commencement addresses and not that often. This is probably my second or third. That's where i am in. My belief is short is best. Because nobody's really listening to you. Anyway how long did you go about fifteen minutes. I mean look. You're you're at that point you know you're just speed bump between the graduate in whatever party they wanna have a hundred percent hundred percent. Well good for you. You had self-awareness peter. Yesterday had your new colleague. I say new relatively speaking chain coasting on my podcast interview with hugh hewitt. Do you know jane no greater dome when you meet her. You'll be very impressed with remarkably a smart and response to questions. I would encourage you to give it a listen in our conversation. I asked her for her. Best guesses intuitions. About various questions about elite media and i defined it for and i asked her what percentage of that death and define group. It's about five thousand. People voted for donald trump. And she said about two percent. I agree with that and then i asked her what percentage are solidly pro israel. I mean hugh hewitt pro israel. She said maybe twelve percent Twelve percent degree weather assessments in both cases. Well that's interesting. I dunno question. It i i. I don't have any data to work with. i'm not. I'm going to duck the question a little bit because i don't know you're probably right that if it would not be a large number certainly on the first question Second one. it's a little a little harder to say But you know i don't vote. I'll tell you that start with. I haven't voted since the nineties started at the white house I decided it was easier not to ever make up my mind Even the privacy of the voting booth. If i was going to cover the person who's gonna end up winning one way or the other. I get a lot of grief from people about that. But i don't tell anybody else that's what they should do. But that's that's been my formula for a long time. 'cause it's important to keep it open mind as possible. Even though of course all human beings are biased human beings have you know the experiences that shaped their their outlooks but for journalists in my view if it's important to be as as Is open minded and neutrals possible going in with a with a fresh look at things. That's a conversation for another day. Jane noted and i agree that many journalists follow what i call the len downie model and do not vote in elections. I think that's more form-over-substance because they have a point of view and i think it's better to be transparent about your point of view but that's another conversation. I i just think you'll find it interesting if you listen to her i i agree with oliver assessments. Basically maybe one or two. Out of twenty five opinions i agree with and that puts the media solidly saul. They left left left in the democratic party extension office. But let me ask you about israel because you and your wife susan. We're in israel for a lot of. Here's how did you Work for the times. And i guess she might have been with the new yorker and. I don't know who susan was with. We weren't there very long. We were gonna be there for three years. We ended up being there about five months because The idea was What makes thousand sixteen election. The boss is called and said come on home. Relieve more bodies This white house is going to be a bigger story so we didn't spend as much time as i would have liked. We were really looking forward to to our tour. So i spent five months there Which is basically the blink of a toy. I would give my. It spend five months in israel even even though it is five and you missed you. There wasn't a war then. Correct not a war that no but you know this is one thing was learn from the very short time there was. This has always been a tinderbox. And i think that you know we had grown complacent with the idea that this is settled into kind of uneasy but calms the status quo and and really. Hasn't you know i mean. The fundamental underlying conflict is still there day in day out. It's waiting for something to set it off and and here we are once again. Now i've had embassador or form. Israel in the united states and former deputy minister on for about six hundred alaskan shows when he calls in from israel and my audience has heard. And i've heard a distinct hardening of his voice. A a line originally thought this is on. The clock won't go very long now. He's in we need to do it. We need to do to a race these missiles in these launchers. Have you noticed that peter well. I think it's probably gone a little longer than people thought. Yeah i think people because they're having flare ups in the path for both sides pulled back pretty quickly. 'cause they wanted to avoid the sort of all out confrontation now. We seem to have been to at least. You know a pretty medium-sized esscalation. Where they have not They've gone beyond just the quick strike to make a point. They're trying to make some progress and getting rid of these tunnels and and getting rid of some of the hamas commanders that That they have targeted for years. So i you know question that it's It's become more prolonged Conflict in the beginning. I also think that they have developed new precision weaponry that has earth penetrating capability that allows them to actually destroy the launchers and the supply and with the abraham accords with sudan the resupply of those missiles which came from iran through sedan typically over the red sea to gaza is not going to be easy to do their effectively eradicating most of the threat on their southern border. Well i think certainly what their goal is I mean i'm not a not actually intelligence. You know exactly. What kind of Impact it's had. But i think that certainly the goal because look you know you can understand. Obviously this is a constant day in day out threat like everybody who covers the area of visited gaza. I visited the towns around. Gaza that That feel threatened You know it's it's it's a very very volatile place. Tommy viewer One of the the privileged pod boys from the obama years originally acknowledged that ap new hamas was in its building. Do you know if he knew. Peter don't but i know the people who work. At there. and. I trust them quickly. I think they're topnotch journalists and whatever they would tell me i would. I would put a lot of faith in. Would you occupy a building that had hamas offices in it not for personal safety but just as a moral issue. Well i mean. I look guys is a place where you know hamas is is in control of the whole place. You know what i mean. It's like i don't know what your options are that when you don't have a lot of Freedom to move around in in gaza. And it's not. It's not a place where you have a lot of flexibility to journalists. I only visited one time but it was very clear to me that. You're you're billy report. In gaza Is is a real challenge They don't they do not make it hard. They're not make an easy time. I was there. They had banned the new york times from reporting out of gaza. They didn't like our coverage. And so i was there to Go in to talk to the kamaz. We do ship to try to get our ability to report from there. You know back on track. I wasn't successful. And i think that You know it's a really hard place. And i wouldn't i would. I would be very very supportive of journalists. Who are doing the hard job there. Why would ask their bosses. Another long conversation. I don't think. American journalists should be in a terrorist state and when in fact the pressure from the organization and they'll kill people They'll just kill people and they put them as shields. I don't think we ought to operate there. And if you have to sort of filter in the news you have to filter the news. But the pressure on them. There's a little stockholm syndrome. That's gonna go on anywhere. peter baker. Well i think everywhere i think. I think that's our job as reported. We were in afghanistan. I reporter from inside of hussein's iraq. I think is important report. I went to chechnya important for Reporters would be everywhere they possibly can especially places where You know the news is going to be. I always going to be different looking on the ground that it is when people in the sorority. What's happening and i think that's important very well. We'll disagree. Let me go back to the white house This white house has stood by israel Fairly firmly there. Lots of lakes. That maybe they're not but the democratic party on the hill as far to the left of the biden white house will the biden white house shift. In your opinion do you hear murmurs that. They're going to increase the pressure on netanyahu to stop degrading the hamas terrorist organization. Well i think you're already seeing that a little bit. I mean as you say you know in hearing michael voice hard i think you're hearing buys voice hardened somewhat in the last few days yesterday. He used the word today. He expected there to be De-escalation today that's studying time element. We hadn't done before. I think he Didn't you know he's a continuous to use that phrase as well has rights defenders though but things He's using the navajo referring to is a seaward cease-fire more frequently it's it's biden his juggling tough domestic political situation. No question about it. The poll that morning console and political yesterday was really fascinating. Show basically pretty solid Other public support for israel not much sympathy for the palestinians their among democrats and much more Divided you know the most biggest largest group of people who identify as democrats ever since i the both sides Than there was about thirty six percent. I think that eighteen percent say they were more suicide palestinian. Twelve percents of their more sympathetic to israel so the democratic car. He's got a more complicated. Uh politics juggle then within the media. I really do believe janko. Coast is right about that. People want to hear what she had to say. Head over to the interview. With hugh hewitt on i tunes spotify. Peter baker the new york times. Always a pleasure to talk with you peter. Congratulations on the oberland. Honorary degree. I congratulate you and the yeomen and yo- people stay tuned america. I wanna remind you that our sponsor is andrew and todd dot com. There was sierra pacific. Bay lend you money to refinance your house or buy a home or help your son or daughter become investors in real estate by becoming a non occupying co borrower. They helped senior citizens with reverse mortgage. They help veterans with no money down mortgages. They help you refinance. If you need to get money of your house or you need a whole new house go to andrew and todd dot com or call them at triple eight triple eight eleven seventy-two town bowery hit got hit. Welcome back america. Cheer hewitt replayed the wrong bump. That's garrity the indispensable stump. James home and doesn't have a bumpy at because stanford doesn't have Sports the way they used to. James hamad is the washington post. Good morning. james how are you. I'm doing great hugh and we're bringing back sports. The university back down how they yielded good public and a humanitarian back. All eleven. it's great. That's a great column for you. I want to say your column this morning in the washington post. Don't pay people to get the covid vaccine. shame them. i believe the headline ryan writers. Did you wrong james. I don't think this is what your column says it's not it's not at all it's not about shaming i. I just have been so. I mean i frankly found the giveaways obscene the kind of a government handouts the idea of giving away millions of dollars in free cars and lotteries. And i get that. We're trying to get people to take the vaccine. It just feels like it's not the proper role of government the private businesses can do all the giveaways they wanna fries and beers and whatever but it just it kind of i mean increasingly uncomfortable with the idea that we're habituating people to depend on handouts to take a vaccine to protect themselves. It's just not what government should be doing. See i would say your column is that government. Incentives are a moral hazard because people will come to expect an incentive to do what is in their best interest and therefore you create what is known by echo. Economist is moral hazard but there is no gain saying they are affected. When larry hogan said i'll give every state employees one hundred dollars to get vaccinated. He did something that was effective and my my economist of choice. Dr mckenzie says that which gets rewarded gets repeated. So there's no doubt in your column that incentives work. You're just worried about the moral hazard of them. Exactly exactly and i. I really do i. It's i. I think it will be marginally effective. What you. I talked to mike. Dewine folks they say look. We're giving away five million dollars but we got more than five million dollars in free media. free advertising by announcing this so we would have spent that money on on service announcements. That would have been kind of boring. Why not do it this way. I just did it it it. I think it's just sends the wrong message and the column sorta leads with. We didn't have to bribe. Government didn't have to bribe people to get the polio vaccine. And i just. I think it said something about us kind of going to the country to be sure. Sixty percent of people wind up eagerly to get the vaccine but it shouldn't be government trying to like cokes and prod. The people to do what's in their own best interests. Now james in your comb this now and everybody knows. We don't work very hard. And so. I have this book in front of me called doom. The politics of catastrophe. By neil ferguson. Now admittedly he's a stanford guy now. She may be hesitant. Have you read doom yet. I gotta copy. I haven't read it yet. you're too well. The jonas salk example that you side is really an opposite to what we're doing here and in fact neil makes the argument. It was the wrong campaign at the wrong time because we ought to have been concerned with the fifty seven fifty eight fluid not the polio vaccine because of the self interest being so large. But i i recommend it to you. It's really quite a comprehensive review of what works and what doesn't work in vaccination. I do wanna take issue otherwise it wouldn't be any fun. One part of your column us seem to deprecate all concerns about the vaccine. Now that dr collins. I think is the very best government spokesperson on this bar. None i think he's very best especially free. Vanja locals is one and other people have faith with whom he shares certain ideas about the universe. He recognizes pregnant. Women may have legitimate concerns. They may choose to put it off. He recognizes that that many people have legitimate questions that they have to talk to their doctor. I didn't see you calling people. This shame the vaccine has attend. But i do think you are perhaps in different to some of the legitimate concerns. I you know you guys you know he. We only get seven hundred. Fifty words stratacom. So i didn't have to be sure paragraph that. Maybe i should have. But i agree with you. I mean i've i've i know a lot of very very smart pregnant women who've chosen not to get the vaccine while they're pregnant and obviously that's not just their choice but prudent Perhaps and And i think that there are definitely people who have had bad reactions to other vaccines. I think a lot of people are concerned about the side effects. From the second dose. And and want to i. I don't think it's a bunch of anti baxter's i don't think the entire population that hasn't the vaccine at baxter's there are a lot of persuadable who just won't wanna understand the risks and the rewards and and i think it's important to To reason with those people to inform the people to have people like francis collins who are credible messengers But i i just the upshot of the column is. I don't think the government's job is to basically pay people to do something because ultimately that does not do anything to to deal with the on those very legitimate concerns or misinformation. That's out there by just paying people hundred dollar savings bond to go get the vaccine if they don't think it's going to be safe. Well now. this is interesting again. I have to disagree with you. Neil ferguson argues that we're in the middle of an infidel democ as well as pandemic meaning that there is terrible amounts of information about the virus. There's good information about things like ivermectin which may be effective. Dr collins said so they're running a real trial on it. Maybe not but there's some terrible information out there one of which i hear all the time. Which is the. Fda hasn't really approved which he answered in ashton answered but if individuals are out there getting flooded with bad information. Because that's what the web does. Then if the government breaks through the message cloud with an incentive that makes people think twice. I think that is kind of an effective use of government funding. I hate the lottery by the way i like. Mike dewine. i think that I would've given people who human. I my pushback on that would be that there is a lot. There's a whole it's funny because of the the people who are supporting campaigns like the lottery. Say well you know we've done research that when you give people cash. There are more likely to do something a duff. But there's also human subjects research shows when you offer someone a cash to do something people become You know. I've talked anecdotally psychologists. Say if someone's doing like an experiment in a lab where they're getting paid to do something they read the waiver that they're signing much more closely because they feel like they're taking on some risk You know if you if you're giving someone like something of value to do something it psychologically could make people feel like it's it's maybe riskier than it really is. You're actually discovering. Adam smith here because anecdotes evidence. Anecdotal evidence is evidence of anecdotes. I look incentives matter. I agree with richard mckenzie. Incentivize people to do something they will do more of it. It's human nature. Where selfish human beings in the selfish gene richard dawkins but every case is different and if it works given the risk and this is what i really want to get to you touch on it. The risk is really a very that evades. The vaccine developing a place like brazil or india where it is rampant. And coming back we have to snuff it out not just in the united states but everywhere as quickly as possible to reduce the risk of a variant evading vaccine and that is to me. The key message. Jim is that it's it's not about james. It's not just about us. It's about children. Grandchildren and generations yet unborn. Yeah it really is. And that's and that's where. And i have all check out the neil ferguson book but i do feel like as a country in this. Isn't you know this isn't some liberal idea or whatever but we you do have to have this kind of sense of obligation to the country And i do think getting the vaccine if you can not satisfy your individual concerns is a patriotic thing to do for for just the reasons you outlined. It is a patriotic thing to do. I also have made the argument which doesn't sit well with some of my friends that it's the christian thing to do because you're doing no harm and it's it's also the smart thing to do because the overwhelming amount of evidence and it is overwhelming is that it will not hurt you in all but the tiny as tiny tiniest i mean you take more risk driving on the four. Oh five every day or getting on the beltway. Twenty five times the risk of the vaccine and the day after the second shot. It's like a one day flu. Everybody's gonna have far worse than that every year. So we've made that point. And i want to ask you about jane coast and do you know her. I don't don't have you listened to any of her work i have. Yeah i want you to listen to my podcast with her and then come back and take the jane question test with me. Okay deal but jane questions are great and when you read it you'll see why you you'll probably change your mind. You won't do it james. You won't do it in the butt because your post report. You won't do it but she is fearless. Was willing to take the jane question test so when you listen to it. I think he will let me close by asking you about stanford's decision. I really am interested in this. When did they make that decision. Were they just raising money as you suspected two weeks ago. What's going on there. So i think that they actually were concerned about litigation. I think that this was a situation. Where a bunch of athletes Had threatened or were suing the university. Because they were saying that you know they had come to stanford on the understanding that they were going to be able to wrestle for four years and that the university was concerned about getting bogged down in protracted litigation. People were withholding donations. There was a a big I signed on a lot of former student athletes. Even you know big names like andrew lock Signed onto a letter calling for the university to toback down. And you know one of the coolest thing about going to stanford was like more than ten percent of the undergraduate student body your division one athletes and it just. Those people are more disciplined more focused. They very smart In my experience and so it's just such a huge part the campus culture. These aren't just like jok taking rocks classes. These are really really bright. Hard working disciplined people and katie la- people like that so. I think that the university recognized under this mounting pressure losing donations and facing what could have been multiple years of litigation. Yeah rocks for jocks. That's an unfair smear. That's a very useful chorus. That is offered on many campuses and i know many people who took rocks for jocks over the years i i'm not buying the litigation because i'm a lawyer and the deal is okay. We will commitments to you but that litigation will be over in three years. That's not it. it's a money deal and stanford the interesting thing this exposes i think james stanford allegedly run by the smartest people in america right. They got the administrators the equal of any university in the world. And they make a bonehead move. I mean just an absolute predictable. New coq moment. To what do you put that degree of ignorance. Then they are really smart but the problem in the university. I think maybe it's less the case in other schools but none of the people who are on the kind of the managerial side of the university. Have any experience or background in athletics. They're not big football. Fans like condie candi rice when she was provost obsessive football fan. No no was an obsessive browns fan. Condie never would have made this boneheaded decision because she understood the value of sports for the campus community. I think a lot of these these people. Are you know academics. Who just don't get it. You know academics are a lot like cheerless inside. The beltway often often don't know anything about the world which they are regulating. James your column was not you know whenever i get a headline like that i asked the guys and gal to change it and they do or you're going to ask him to change that headline because it's not really actually. I think it's not doing you. The moral hazard of vaccine bribery is a great headline. I don't know maybe. 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America First with Sebastian Gorka 5-26-21 Hour 3

America First with Sebastian Gorka Podcast

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America First with Sebastian Gorka 5-26-21 Hour 3

"Is podcast is a production of the salem podcast network for more podcast like this from courageous voices of conservative reason visit salem podcast network dot com. If you like america first then check out our separate podcast. The battle sixteen hundred with my former white house. Colleague boris epstein. Every week we give you the inside. In-depth analysis of what's really going on the battle for sixteen hundred subscribe today. This is america. First with sebastian. Gorka and i'll very special guest host kirch. Thank you dr gorka. Welcome patriots to the final hour of my two-day guest hosts stint here on america. First we'll talk about saving the best for last coming up right here on the hotline airborne ranger and candidate for senate in pennsylvania. Sean parnell sean how are you doing. Hey kurt thanks for having me man. I appreciate the time. Well i appreciate you coming here very busy. You announced that you are running for senate in pennsylvania just week or so ago. How's it goin' tactic and crazy you know. Running a statewide races is a big state. But you know the part of the job of of being the leader is going everywhere and building coalitions of people That agree with you but especially going to places where people who might not you know and in pennsylvania there are lots of of blue dog union. Democrats that are pro life pro gun. Those are people. And i've been doing there for the last week and a half since been in the race and making the case for them. You know But kurt like this. Is you know. I don't have to tell you this but you know you go to afghanistan like and and you deployed before as well. I mean we know how precious freedom is. And we know that it has to be fought or every generation And but now it's like. I feel like the fight for freedom in twenty twenty one and twenty twenty two is not going to be had and a foreign battlefield. It's going to happen right here at home This country stands on a very thin line between between hope and darkness. Look at all the crazy things that the democrats are doing. The radical less what blair witch taxes rising defend that debt and deficit soaring borders flooded crisis in the middle. East are energy industry here in pennsylvania's being crushed first minimum. The first amendment's under attack second amendment is as well tired of packing the supreme court washington dc statehood Nuking the filibuster to remove any dissent in the senate kirk we have to stop them because the radical left truly is an existential threat to this country. And that's not me saying it Every single time that they they talk about tearing down our our institutions and fundamentally transforming this country. Well guess what. I believe in america's exceptional. I believe this is a pretty darn good place to be. Yeah of course this country in this country we. We've made mistakes but what makes this country. Exceptional is the fact that we always right the ship. And so you know. It's time to fight for this country like the heart and soul. That depends on it. And so that's what i'm doing. And that's why. I'm running for senate to protect the american dream and our way of life. Well sean parnell is an army combat leader. You understand that. Tactics are great but logistics are vital and it seems that big tech is trying to separate you from your logistical chain train. What the heck is going on with. Google and your website. And tell us where we can find ya. Yeah listen listen to parnell. For senate dot com. Please go to my website. You can read all about my platform. I'm an open book And if you feel so inclined join. The movement contributed the campaign because we need your help. Our campaign is one that certain by forty five thousand individual donors so. We're not the whole republican party. We're not afraid to lock horns at the democrats. We truly do represent the people. Let me give you a sense of how this went down two weeks before it declared my candidacy chuck schumer and the sec started running ads against me. And i'm not even a candidate in the state of pennsylvania right then. I declare my candidacy And the d. sec in chuck schumer start sending out emails. O sean parnell's in the race rubber stand for mitch mcconnell We have to stop them. Help are good candidates. Raise money at that exact moment. My website disappeared from google. Now you can go onto being gal who duck duck though and plug in sean. Parnell senate pennsylvania. My website will be the first thing that pops up and try to find it on google. That's almost impossible now. That's a big deal because we broke fundraising records in in pennsylvania. Raising our money digitally. It's the best way to raise money. It comes directly to the campaign. It goes to voter outreach. Real low overhead And people are listening to me on this radio station right now. And they say hey. That part is a pretty cool dude. I'm gonna go to donate to his campaign. they put my name into google. they can't find site. The first thing that they think is well. I guess you just never website yet. That's not true there is a website. It's just being censored. Well sean parnell. And you can. Support sean sean. Parnell twenty twenty one dot com dot com. Her nail for senate dot com. Well and you should consider doing that folks when you get to the senate and we'll talk about the challenges there but why once you're there there are a lot of people who call themselves republicans and They're soft they're soft about things like regulating big tech. They're soft about things like guns. They're soft about the things that are voters care about. Are you soft shawn. No no in fact. I'm probably the only candidate in the entire country that after the election i brought a lawsuit challenge. You know act seventy seven. Which is pennsylvania's no excuse. Absentee ballot. While i when after the democrat governor are democrat attorney general the democrat botanic owner but also the republican party Not because you know. I was trying to be a pain but because it was the right thing to do to change the time place and manner and in a state like pennsylvania you gotta put it on the ballot for a referendum so that the people have a say in the political destiny of the state both the republican party and the democrat party. Didn't do that with seventy seven. So i went to bat for the people in took the case all the way to the supreme court ultimately in unfortunately they didn't take it even though three supreme court justices agreed with us ultimately. They didn't take the case but the job is to be a leader. The job is to put the people before political party. And of course in this day and age you have to be a fighter. You can't be afraid of the media attacking you in fact. Kurt like if the media is attacking me. I know that i'm over. The target us military now is right so you can't be afraid to stand up to the media lock horns with the democrats but also stand up to your party if you're wrong if this job is about being there for the people first last and always will sean. You've got a primary ahead of you. But i'm thinking you're probably the lead guy. You almost took out conner. Lamb in a democrat district for congress came very very close. Do you think connor Is going to take a silver spoon of his mouth and try and run against you for senate now. He's about to be well. He's i hope to be good in the race. Gerrymandered out. you want him. You want him as your conner. If conner lamb is is listen to this show which is probably not but if he is getting the race i'd love to have you in you know But you know look even with twenty twenty was kind of a disaster here in pennsylvania right now from lateral changes to election laws sixty days out from remote satellite boating facilities. A dropbox is funded by mark zuckerberg knocker box right big tech censorship to the media almost almost exclusively against us almost entirely against us to nancy. Pelosi spending millions of dollars every single day attacking the npa seventeen. I had no outside by myself. Raise the money myself In a district that many consider in the state of pennsylvania to be gerrymandered to protect connor. lamb We still almost won that race. Just a few thousand votes. What separated us. And so if you look at the turn out metrics and seventeen It was a d. plus district will pennsylvania's not deploy state and so We both grassroots movement. The likes of which have never been seen in western pennsylvania not for a very very very long time thousands of volunteers and those people up ready to rock and go again. We haven't bought any momentum. And so yeah. I've kind of thinking of getting the race. Get in. I'd love to have you and you've got some Difficult terrain to take in pittsburgh and philadelphia hardcore democrat areas. Are you going to make a play for those voters and try and turn the enemy's Secure yeah well. I mean running in. Pa seventeen means running eighty five percent allegheny county. I was born and raised in allegheny county. My family's been in pennsylvania for probably close to one hundred years. Allegany county is part of pittsburgh pennsylvania we have to close their and one of the first places that we went On this campaign was south philly. The italian the italian market there in going into democrat and republican owned businesses and talking to them and making the case and we had a real positive reaction. But this campaign is going to be about going everywhere and and uniting this party but also bringing as many people into the fold in pennsylvania as humanly possible. And so yes. We're going to make a play for those boats in. Yes we're gonna win not just a primary but the general election in twenty. Twenty two sean. Parnell everybody everything is going to depend on you getting those hard-working traditional democrats how we only have a few moments left. How are you going to reach out to that Those folks who may have gone for biden thinking he was old. You have a beer with joe biden. Of course he ain't well. We'll do it the same way that we did in in. Pa seventeen we're going to go there and ask him for support beaver. County one hundred percent Seventeen democrats outnumber republicans there and registrations. We want beaver county by sixteen points. We're going to. We're going to win this race by going everywhere and making the case that more freedom and more prosperity and your life is a good thing and advocating for those policies is the best path forward for for state in the country. That sounds great sean. We only about fifteen seconds. Where can people go to help you. Know thanks to google who parnell for senate dot com join. The movement contributed to this race. Because we need your help. Parnell for senate dot com. Thank you sean parnell. Good luck in your run. This is america. First with dr gorka. I am kirch liquor your guest host and if you are holding i'm going to calls next so stick around relief factor. Have you tried every other form of pain relief only to fail the not find your answer. Well try this. Incredible product that is providing liberation from pain to tens of thousands of americans across the country including alicia from california. I'm a grocery store work and having working doubles during the coronavirus shutdown at fifty two years old my two bad knees on not getting arrest. I literally limped to and from bed. Two days into relief factor on the pain has decreased substantially so thankful for this amazing product. That could be you. It should be find out today. 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Welcome numeric. hey thanks. Kurt just had you on speaker phone in my pocket. While i'll watch supervises the honeydew list why johnson no price you got oppression in washington you get oppression in home. Fight the power randy. Fight the power. That's trying hey You know you're not convinced about trump. let mean be you if the little competence maybe He's the most popular politician ever say the most popular. Std randy that know you got a point there. But here's here's the thing as someone who agrees with president trump that. I think that the election was stolen. He he doesn't beat around the bush she says it clearly. I agree with him. I want satisfaction. I want him to run and win and be able to get his second term fulfilled like he rightfully should have and even more important than me to some house. Housepainter out there in tennessee. President trump deserves kurt. He deserves to be able to have his second turn that he was obviously stolen by be ready. I respect respect your passion and i respect her commitment to obeying your wife but i i have to disagree. I don't think it's about donald trump getting vindication. Now i would love him to give indication. I was with rick grenell in nevada. We saw some outright fraud. We saw some Other misconduct we saw a media that totally tossed the whole idea of objectively out the window and attacked donald trump for the benefit of president. Asterisk But i don't. I don't see the vindicating. Donald trump's disappointment at how this turned out. I don't think it can be one of our criteria. Well i can understand that you want somebody to win me too. I think the guy is going to win and this is welcome. Kurt inclosing. this is what we need. Is all good conservatives like you to jump on board the trump train. Sometimes you know the doubt and the hesitancy. I'm thinking like Hey man people been hanging out with hugh hewitt to march. Hey cool net randy and thanks. Thanks for the call. Look i i would love donald trump to run and win. Nothing would make me happier but the important word in that sentence is win if donald trump shows me that he is the most likely candidate to win. Then he's going to have my support if he's not going. Be the most likely candidate to win. You know then. He asked himself why he's doing. Is he doing it. For the reason. I am not anti-trump a huge supporter. Donald trump and i think he was a great president. And i think the last election was words. I can't say thanks to the fcc. But i'm about winning. And i am unsentimental about kevin in arizona. Agree or disagree. I sort of do take your side. It's not about the president. It's about winning and If you'll give me a choice here. I got about three separate Reasons that he should not want I don't think he should one would be Well one would be political cop. Say you get ten gallons of political capital for winning the president. It's a guarantee that For those gallons. We'll get burned just fighting the democrats which to me is away. So your and thank you for your call. Kevin kevin's point is hey. He's going to have such hard resistance from the democrats. He's not going to be able to get anything done. And i think that to some extent legitimate because that's what happened last time. Although we have an advantage folks we have a cadre of people who worked in the trump administration. They know how the game is played. They are experience of course came in with. No rollo dax. He had no list of supporters. Who who could just call up like jeb exclamation point. Jeb point had the whole bush rolodex at his stubby tubby fingertips ready to man the administration. Now they been terrible and unfortunately because donald trump didn't have a rolodex. He had to take a lot of those and well they. They were terrible so i think he can do better this time and beat some of the bureaucrat games. But that's something we have to consider tom in akron. How do you feel about president trump running in two thousand twenty four. Well if he if he makes it. I'm going to vote for him. Didn't he doesn't have a basis seventy four million votes from last year. I think well. Well tom. I think he does have a bunch of very loyal people and if he won the nomination i would absolutely vote for against camera harris or in the off chance that grandpa bad finger decides to run again. I think you get those seventy four million and probably a bunch more. Who don't like you know gas lines and inflation Wh- what this is. What i'm thinking. I got a letter from judicial watch about election law enforcement. They plan on doing a lot of doing about the databases and all the state already. Hey i i wish i would say it's sent out that letter. I don't know two and a half years ago. Because i got to tell you that when i got and thank you for your call tom when i got to nevada to help rick grenell on the election. I met the republicans lawyer. Now you're going. You mean lawyers. No no no. I mean the guy. His name was jesse per now. Very good lawyer. He brought his dog. It's a wonderful dog. And as good as jesse was and is he was one dude okay. It's not enough to prep the battlefield with one lawyer. When you're going up against entire democrat law firms we screwed up as republicans and donald trump has take some blame. Commander is always responsible for what the unit does and doesn't do. We were not ready for the legal fights that we had to engage in after november. Okay we we were not right because we didn't prepare beforehand. The democrats were in serene to change laws. We were not there fighting. We were not making our own lawsuits to enforce ballot and electoral security. That was our screw up folks again like i always say i am unsentimental about politicians. I am also unsentimental about feelings and some people might not want to hear that. We contributed to this result as a party by failing to prepare the battlefield by failing to get in there and set the terms of engagement. That's just a fat. I want to hear from you. Eight three three three. Three gorkha geo archaic eight three three three three four six seven five two. This is kurt schlichter on america. First he right back whether it's the regular hell cat a weather. It's the compensated. Rdp that miniature red dot lovable. How did it take so long to invent a factory compensated. Subcompact nine millimeter. Well guess what springfield did it. And i'm a huge fan. And i'm sebastian gorka the hell cap from springfield. Armory is still the smallest highest capacity micro compact in the work available and standard or optics. Ready configurations class leading capacity of the health gives you eleven plus one with the standard magazine. Thirteen plus one with the included extended definitive concealed carry pistols here the hill cap from springfield. Armory gives you the capacity to defend. Welcome back to america. i. I'm not dr seb gorka. Kurt schlichter your guest hose and i am taking calls chuck in atlanta. You want trump right now. Don't you bet is correct. He won the election. It was stolen from him. I think we need to hear from the the outcome of arizona. Michigan georgia new hampshire. And i wanna to see the media. Go crazy on. I wanna see alternative media. Go crazy with trump won and nba restored. He deserves it. And it's not about trump it's about honoring the law system. It's about giving getting rid of the of the the crime of the century. Well chuck thank you for your call. I appreciate it as a lawyer for god. Twenty twenty seven years when people start talking about the rule of law. I start kind of laughing a little bit. Okay just just remember the first thing. Any lawyer does when he gets. A new case is look up who the judges and who appointed him. That's the first thing that happens. The rule of law is possible. But right now you know. Everything's so politicized. I think people are forgetting about it and you can tell on political cases pretty easily. How a given judge is going to go. And that's that's not a good situation and that does not bode well for our future. Our question today is do you think the donald trump should go the full. Grover cleveland run for election. Re election in twenty twenty four caroline and california. What do you think. I absolutely positively. He's should run again you you would have to be deaf dumb and blind not to note. That election was stolen. And the next day when i found out i cried like a baby but the following day after that i got up wipe my eyes and i was mad as hell and i'm still mad as hell. Oh yeah he needs to run again and on program for trump slash disasters. Take well and then i'll be able to say ain't no stop in south carolina. I love your energy. Look up now. Donald trump pass to make the decision on where he's going to run or not he. He's got to make that choice. And if for whatever reason and it might be personal it might be family might be whatever he decides not to. Are you be as energized for Say to santa's candidacy. I'm knocking on doors. I'm talking into my family. I'm calling out people in my family. I could not ban. And i'm talking to. Oh yeah oh yeah. Oh carolina i love it in your here in my home state of california. You know we had ambassador. Rick grenell on last time who i kinda wouldn't mind seeing vice president and he's he's making a campaign to win california back with your energy maybe we can win california back for freedom what do you think oh caroline caroline. Thank you so much for your call. I really enjoyed talking to you. A rebecca in minneapolis. What do you think about trump running in two thousand and twenty four. I think he should run again. He's not a politician. So it's something very difficult to replace him with a politician. He's more of a businessman. And i think that's what this country will need after four years of biden. Well i like the scientists. But i had heard that he got a little awfully on On the gun thing. Couple of months ago so i would have to check that out a little bit more well. Rebecca on minneapolis. We are not going to tolerate anybody waffling on any of our key rights. I had not heard that about rhonda santa's and i would be greatly disappointed if it was true. But i haven't disappointed by some other people Christie no backing down in the face of amazon chamber of commerce over. You know saving girl sports. Which would you ever consider giving kristi nome a second chance And not that familiar with what was happening there. That's why the thing about ron don. A lot of his first name is. I'm not sure i heard it on the radio and i want to check it out for revenge polis. Thank you for your call. She's got it right folks rebecca's absolutely right about checking it out for yourself. Don't believe anything. Except what dr gorka tells you. Don't believe what the media says media is going gonna lie to you. Media's going to mislead you but you are an american citizen you have the capacity to get educated. You have the ability to learn and to vote according up next conservative comic. Tim young. oh this is going to be good. Scared me real good on america first. Aren't sebastian gorka. And this is america. First with the one and only coach. Thank you so much dr gorka. This is america first. thanks for sticking around. I'm here through the top of the hour in just a moment. I'm going to have tim young. But i i wanna get serious. For a second. For children are prisoners having a mom or dad imprison just adds the isolation most of them have experienced during the covid nineteen pandemic but with summer upon us. You and i can do something special to help these at risk kids get a bad neighborhoods and away from gang influences. 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Banner or you can phone your donation to eight eight eight zero six two seven nine four. That's eight eight eight two six two seven nine four. It's a safe place for children up prisoners to experience the great outdoors make new friends and hear the gospel. Many kids at aintree camp. Step forward to receive jesus as their lord and savior once more work dot com and click the angel tree banner. Help change a child's life for eternity. This next guy is a conservative comic. You've been told there are no conservative. Calm human told that we're not funny that we're not amusing that we're a bunch of bow-tied losers who sit around talking about austrian economics own contrary. Hello tim young high. I don i mean i'm not putting most of the time so really the term comic don't you hate. I did stand up for a while when people your up be funny. That's like the number one troll thing like you're not funding or something like that or you have a career rare and i'm like okay. You're talking to a guy who three hundred thousand followers in twitter and facebook. But i don't understand that not everything that'd be gold and not everything i've read on. Twitter is going to be funny factory. Then you are bitter and unhappy man. And that's one of the reasons we love you. By the way i read your. I read your most recent article on juice land. Tell us a little about that where we can fight it because it was comedy gold all right so juice land My article is on washington washington times washington time with them. Now there's the examiner. I love the washington times and you can go dot com but youth led. They hired all these woke. Choose place in austin texas so they hired. Kit never heard him. You're missing out. It's like the water burger of fluids. i know it's sort of like the i don't even know what's like a super prix. It's like the most pretentious crappy juice place you can go to but i go there. 'cause i i have a problem. Mentioned sorta and so i would go there and they. They had these armpit smelling vegan. You know when. They don't shave their armpits. Surely what could go wrong with that employment situation. They'll turn on the manager. Who's a solid capitalist. He took one store target and the thirty seven and they're demanding things like social justice training. They have to do. They not know how to social justice. I mean they're in austin. I thought they were born knowing that their their customers. Other than me basically care so you can go from there on that. And and they demanded a race they. The managers raise their wages to fifteen dollars an hour to put fruits and vegetables in a blender. That wasn't enough. They wanted more than they accused everybody. Sexism and racism. Then they want to Expose they want to know exactly whatever executive makes and be able to review the executive editor managers as employees. Tim young dares. This word out there. That i think is underused in in america today. That word is no. Yeah and not only that look. There's a homeless problem in austin. There's an illegal immigrant problem. I think those people can put fruits and vegetables in blender just as well as the privilege. Whitehead doesn't know how to shave their armpits. And you so we'll let you look. I mean i i would you know. It's a tough call. Hobo off the street dirty filthy pierced. Kami who do. I want my food. I'm not sure. I want either of them. I probably wouldn't go into ju- slant. I don't think you can get a patty melt juice. Slant you basically just a star trek my attender options in austin to. That's a real cost up drinking. Oh my gosh so you look conservative. You've moved to austin house. I work out for you. i'm actually in. I'm in grapevine texas. I'm in austin and it's fantastic. I love freedom. I love the fact that i can walk into an academy sports. I don't get paid by them by a real solid handgun to protect myself and walk out and fifteen minutes. I love it. What's it like being in a free state. Because i'm from california i say so. I picked the state after. I traveled the country last year. Doing a show called on the road with ten young for the washington on and I think not only the state buck- the city specifically to move to. Because when i showed up when bars reopened here. People weren't wearing masks then. And i was like holy crap. This is what america should be like and You know freedom tastes delicious. You know tim young. I have a question. Now i have. I had covert and i- pummeled into submission. And i talked to a number of doctors who because of my my personal health and the health of people around me convince me it was a good idea for me to get the vaccine which i took. So i am like super immune and other people who take the vaccine are allegedly super immune. Why is it always these People who've taken the vaccine and who lecture us about the damn vaccine which. I don't care if you take it or not because i've had the vaccine. Why do they care what other people do want. Okay so here's the thing. I learned from the internet. That the only way the vaccine works is if you virtue signal after you get that's how you activate. It's one thing to have it in your arm. It's another thing to then take a self of yourself and brag about a vaccine. So you're saying. I'm in grave danger. Because i didn't take a selfie of it because i thought it was silly ministerial act. You know the vaccine. How would we know about taking a selfie of a chief. Kurt i like to keep people up to date on my various prescription intake. You wanna hear about my kress store what you can if you stick around to the next segment. Because i'm going to hold. Tim young over here on america first. Stick around portions of today's program are brought to you by prison fellowship. We're back back for the final segment on today's episode of america. First with dr gorka. I'm your guest host kurt schlichter. We're continuing our chat with tim. Young conservative comic extraordinaire. And i want to. As jane sake might say circle back to the question. Does your do you tim. Young think that president trump should go the full grover cleveland and run for president again in twenty twenty four. Before get to that. I just wanna say that It's no wonder people think i'm gay. I was able to identify that on two notes anyway. i think yes. Wow you should t y y being. I own arbuckle cd albums from like the ninety s and i can i can figure solid show tune to look. It's good swedish inflected pop. Did you know that one of the girls on there was like the result of the nazi breeding program among norwegians fact also explains why. The band invaded poland. Which not to know about anyway. Go ahead and answer the question before we run out of will be fun because he should. He should get back in honestly just as a middle finger to the left at the very least to to do that. But i you know handed the santa fe avenue debate can hinder scientists in nome debating. Each other would be very interesting to watch history. I think i think she thinks she has stepped on it quite effectively. Oh yeah with the traffic. But no but honestly i really like had to raise her at eight of ted in the middle of a debate. You look you know you're at a you're at eight looks but a four debating that would be for them. He would totally do that to you. Exactly that's not stretch. God you know. When trump was president the presidency was like fun because it was crazy every day. Something amazing happened. And then we got like rainsy's we got peace in the middle east you know and was like well. At least we gotta have mean tweets. So hey we got. We got fifteen seconds. Where can people find you asking at string driven on instagram. I drink bourbon a lot. And i talked about it and some matrix. Wow that's after bourbon drink bourbon let straight bourbon. Is that dot com dot on ace to grand. You elderly man who doesn't know the internet. I'm on the facebook. Can you give us your my space page. Tim young i think to either rock was big fan of iraq. Back the day at my initial. Okay thank you. Tim young again. Thank you america. First you guys have been great. The crew's been great audience and the callers have been great. Thanks a lot to dr gorka for allowing me to occupy the chair. I hope to see again soon. The man himself will be back tomorrow.

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#383 Sean Parnell

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#383 Sean Parnell

"Now the lace. Waltham to I glass fatherhood. Welcome everybody to three, hundred, eighty, three of the podcast I am happy as always the be here with you. Thank you for stopping by. This is your first time listening to the podcast please over there in Baghdad subscribe button do not WanNa. Miss. Only action that's coming your way right here on First-class Fatherhood. All right. That's it is so great to be back here what you guys I hope. Everybody. made the best of this uniquely challenging summertime I. Know The school year is now upon us in presents interesting challenges as well. I do have an awesome guests joining me today. Sean Parnell makes his third appearance on the PODCAST. He is now congressional candidate Sean Parnell and couldn't have been happier when I heard the news that he decided to run for Congress in the Great State of Pennsylvania in. Just a moment here showing is going to tell us the story of what led to him running for US Congress. Sean also has a brand new book that drop today. One true Patriot is the third installment of his fictional military thriller series with his Star Eric. Steele Sean is, of course, a decorated combat veteran himself and his real World War experiences definitely come through in his fictional works he. Is also the New York Times bestselling author of outlaw platoon, and that really needs to be made into a major motion picture of the story of what he and his team went through is just incredible and inspiring Sean Hero. He's a family man and I am honored to welcome him back on I. Last Fatherhood Sean Parnell will be here just a few minutes. So please stick around for the interview. And today's interview. With Sean, Parnell was recorded on video and it is available for you guys to watch Youtube Channel. So if you would like to watch the conversation between myself and the congressional candidate, please get over there to my youtube channel first-class fatherhood and hit me with a subscribe link is in the description of today's podcast episode and Sean kicking off what is just an outstanding lineup of dance the start off what I. Promise. We'll be a month full of phenomenal guests on the podcast here tomorrow on the show Sean Hannity will be here with. Me I don't believe anybody has interviewed president trump more or better than Sean Hannity. Show. Hannity on Fox News is just the ratings juggernaut his new book live free or die is currently sitting on top of the New York Times bestsellers list. So don't miss out on my conversation with Sean Hannity coming tomorrow Thursday show is going to feature one of the greatest NFL linebackers of all Time Hall of Famer Andre Tippett will be here. Andrea has been deeply impacted by the corona virus. He has lost both his mom and his Stepdad to the virus his. Son also contracted it. So he will be here to tell us all about that. So much more Andre Tippett, my guests on Thursdays podcasts and Friday I have got a Banger for the first frogman Friday of the new season here medal of honor recipient former navy seal, and former US senator from Nebraska Bob Carey will be here to close out the week. All right, and if you guys want to find out who else will be joining me here on the podcast this month head over to my instagram account at Alec Underscore Lace, and follow me over. there. If you are enjoying the podcast, please consider leaving me a rating or review on Apple spotify or wherever you enjoy listening to the show. So let's jump into it right now as always please help spread the word about this podcast every father in the neighborhood. When you contact list, let them know about the show to he a celebrating fatherhood and Family Life Fatherhood rocks, family values rule, and every day is father's Day. Right you me and I'm going to be right back with combat veteran congressional candidate Sean Parnell I'm allegation you're listening to I last fatherhood. All Right, dad's the barber shops are finally opened but I can tell you right now there's hair in one place they had never gonna cut and that's right around the area that made you a father in the first place and when it comes to such a delicate area, you need the right tool for the job the man scape lawnmower with three point. Oh. is a premium electric trimmer that is waterproof with skin safe technology designed to reduce nick. So at tugs in those valuables in short pants, also man's gave just released a shears two point Oh luxury for peace nail, kit. Tempered stainless steel tools and includes tip tweezers. 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They'll put a little face voice here. Let's get a little update on the kids here. What how old are they? Now what grades they had an into Ethan is eleven and he's going into sixth grade. Is Nine she's going into four and Evan is seven seven years old going in the second grade. Okay. And how they kind of I mean I know we've all been in the boat. You have the kind of manage the whole corona virus being us guys and all that. It's tough man it's a I remember back to my. Says at my older son Ethan is is eleven. And I remember trying to think back to I was eleven thinking trying to figure out ways I could fake being sick and get out of going school you know. But I see it affect all of my kids but Ethan Ethan. Especially, he's like he wants to go back to school with a C- is friends and play sports again in and have some level of normalcy in their life and you know. Kids learn a lot you know to sort of outside the classroom as part of the school experience. With. Others to have good manners. If Mirroring Hueys from other kids right now, they're not getting that and you know the home home schooling are virtual learning stop is really challenging all the kids have all different all different teachers obviously but all different curriculums. Some teachers want things submitted on class does some via email some like they want pictures taken the homework and texted some use. Some Yuzu some don't do anything I mean, it's just a nightmare and it so. I got one laptop and. Am on it. So how is it just presented some really crazy challenge man yeah. The same thing over here I got four kids and it's like you know a day all at different times. They all need different things and say it's definitely been challenging and just curious to see how it's GonNa work I got one son that's like. It's up to him. He hopes they never opened the school's back up again you know for him he's at his glory like. Once, they want to get back at it. You know yeah, I think. I. Think. All my kids like. Playing Video Games, and I sort of let them get away with a little bit more now because they got the headsets and they talk to their friends. And I want them to have some level of interaction with their friends and you know while you follow the State Guidelines WanNa make sure the kids are safe as well so. All of this has created unique challenges, but I guess the silver lining is I can spend a lot more time with them. You know and I liked that number for that I love that as well. Sean. It's been a big bonus for me the family together for so long I'm a homebody like that I love staying playing boy kids and do fun stuff so. I I got a little bit of a bone to pick with you here Sean. Last time you're on I asked you are you going to be getting into the political arena you said? You. Could help me out by a bombshell on his show here but I'm so glad to see that you're in the race. You know hopefully, next time I'll usually do she'll be as congressman, Sean for now. What has this experience been like for you? Especially, as a father man I wish so you know the story if this is not, it's not anything that's been in the cards like the last time we talked it was in September this was not on the radar and all. So so I was down in South Carolina doing charity event in October president trump came to the district. And he gave some big speech. Now I've never met or talked to the guy at that point in time so I he never met him I don't know him, but he called me out randomly. In that speech to run and I wasn't even there and I get a call from my mom and she's like she's like an Italian woman. She's shun. What? You WanNa pre-congress a Mike. No I'm not running for Congress and she's like well, the President says you're running for. Congress some. The president's bomb are you drinking today a drinking? It's eleven in the morning like he thought drink. Now. She sends me this video and sure enough. It's the president calling me out to run and so. I turned my life upside out and I got in the race and I been doing the political thing ever since and I gotTa tell you man I really. This is awesome. I mean I don't really care about politics. I'm running with an r after my name I believe what I believe and I don't necessarily seek divide the Republican solution or the Democrats solution to the problems that we face today I endeavored to find the right solutions right? Like we need more if you're politicians in Washington that much I, know for sure but the kids man, this has been an amazing experience for them like. I mean amazing. They'll come with me on the campaign trail to get an opportunity to see me speak. They didn't because I speak all over the country before any didn't really get a chance to see me to see a little bit of what dad does make it to come to events and they get to see how important is to defend freedom and get involved in the. National discourse in advocate within that, you believe in and Son Wall all my kids all my kids got to meet the vice president. The vice-president came here and gave his risk to meet the vice president a couple of times nor getting myself. He's the guy and I just think it's a once in a lifetime experience for kids and it's just a an unbelievable blessing to even have the opportunity to serve this country again and and to be a father of three young kids white y you do it, and by the way man, this is like the the center of the Political Universe is my district like. I mean there are some schools that believed like the entire presidential race comes down to this little small portion of Western. Pennsylvania and so that's why this this race has gotten so much national attention but my kids are along for the ride and it's really cool man it's really cool. I definitely think the people in your district blessed have yet. I couldn't be happier to see a guy love what you stand for. I love your values and I think it's so important today like you said I, don't think it matters so much Republican Democrat anymore. It's just what's important here and I, think we're losing sight of that and I think hopefully, this change is coming and I know that this connor lamb that you're running against their he put this thing on twitter about his death. Wish. How is it has been any of this backlash or any any kind of threats against your family or what does that experience been like for you now that you're out there in the public running I, you know I my message to people as like look. I your I can promise you one thing that we're not always gonNA. Agree you know I but why should we I reject the notion that we should always have to agree on every issue you know I don't even agree with my own family around the Thanksgiving Day. You know spot what I can guarantee you that as a leader I will always show up for the people especially in places where I know people disagree with me because that is what this job is all about but there is a line at I i. got to admit I was a little bit shocked to see you know the. Burning Hell and nonsense you know because I think our our country in the people deserve more respect. They deserve better than that but you know I. I don't believe been canceled culture. My only hope is that the lamb campaign no learn the lesson from that and tries to elevate their political rhetoric a bit. But this is what I hate about. Politics the most that know lambs latest attack on me as that of course, I'm access. Why? Because I believe that you know men want to strong women and Women WanNa, strongman that I believe that children do better in a home with strong parents who love van men I believe that men and women elevate one another I don't believe that our success. At the expense of the these aren't radical concepts but in today's hyper politicized world, they are in I just rejected I reject all that stuff. What did you see what you get with me and and you know I hope that I hope it like what I bring to the fight is just A this discarding the politics of this nonsense and I'm focused on leadership again, can't promise people will always agree but I can promise people that will always be there for them. Well said Sean and I, we need your leadership right now you've been a leader on the battlefield. You're just a you know you're everything the country's all about, and that's why I love the see running in the race and and one of the things that's big with me I try to stay away from politics as much as I can on the podcast you're one of the things that we've seen through this crazy that we've had you're like the black lives matter group that's out there now openly on their statement is that. They're out to destroy the nuclear family unit and I can't possibly can see why anybody would get behind that or how could that be good ultra history. I mean even looking at the beginning of the fall of Rome once of nuclear family unit starting to break up that was beginning of the end for them. So I I don't know how it'll be a positive thing and why are people out there that are what is the point of destroy? How can that be good for anybody? It's not well, I think I think. Part of the goal of these these sort of radical left wing groups right whether it is to you know the dissolution of the modern American. Family leads to the DEUCE the the dissolution of the foundations in tearing apart the fabric that built this country into what it is today, and if you look at the mission statement of groups, light ANTIFA, right their mission is to transform this country into what I don't know. Right Joe Biden is used the word. I will transform America when when I when I win and look I agree with you I'm not trying to make this political but my personal perspective is this nation is exceptional. It's certainly not perfect I don't care show me a nation. That is perfect. What makes this nation exceptional is that we always seek to right the ship when. Slavery was was legal in countries all around the world America gave hundreds of thousands of our sons and daughters to the righteous caused. Ended it. So while America is not perfect, we always seek the right the ship and we do it through discourse, right? Like ninety percent of the time. What makes this nation exceptional is the framework that our Constitution set sport to allow us to talk about our issues but groups like antique book, Diluting The riding the cancer Karcher. The burning be attacking people for what they believe is fundamentally anti-american and so any goal when you see a goal like the dissolution of the modern American nuclear family, it be into that greater most. Of the transformation of this country into a sort of. Marxist communist Utopia and I'm sorry look that's not hyperbole. That's what they want. Though look at their pictures read their mission statements. They're trained Marxists in Marxists are essentially communists and that's what the transformation of this country me. You know that's what they want. All. Right guys many of you have hit me up saying that you would like to start your own podcast than I am telling you right now anchor is the easiest way to get this done number one it's free. I have never paid a dime to publish any of my podcasts and their creation tools allow you to record edit right from your phone or your computer anchored those all the distribution as well. So it can be heard on spotify podcast and many more. Also, you can make money with no minimum listenership. It's everything you need to make podcast in one place. What are you waiting for download the free anchor today or go to anchor DOT FM to get started That Sean and you know what I had. I had the pleasure of having Craig's Sawyer on the podcast guests twice a former navy seal and he's he does the vets for child rescue going after human traffickers and I've had Hugh Jackson on the show that deals with these human trafficking victims and i. wish these newsgroups had that type of passion against this Human Trafficking Modern Day, slavery that's taking place all across the world but we don't see that kind of like anger and and marching all this stuff against it, and it really really bothers me because it's affecting our kids and that's taken a major toll on so many families all over the world. I think I totally agree with you and look I feel like this speaks to a leadership issue that we've had in this country for a long time you now that. It's important for America to remember who we are what we stand for. You know and I I'm running for Congress, and then again I hate even talking about this and I love when people call me a politician because I'm like off Gon na I am the opposite of that like I'm horrible at being a politician because I say exactly what I feel all the time. I'm not. I'm not good at this in that regard, but I'm running because I love this country and I'm running because. People risked everything. To to build a boat out of a pile of garbage to sale here across open seas to come to America for the promise of a better life in the freedom to pursue life liberty and happiness in by the way that's different for everybody. That's why America's great and so I'm running event in a perfect world. Tell you exactly what my mission statement is. Go to Washington shrink the size of government hit the reset button. That I can because I I firmly believe that a smaller government needs more freedom for the individual right and that that's what I want and when I'm done with that mission I'm GONNA buy a farm in western Pennsylvania and just live alight with my family and probably never run for politics again. This is not career for me man this is just A the opportunity to serve the country yeah, and it is important. I. Mean You know the future of my kid's future your kids want. Guys like you at the helm of directing where we're going here because we need it man we really do and it's a I. Love the fact President Trump endorsed you. I was incredible to see that pretty wild you know so. It is not so. I left the military ten years ago broken broken I'd no idea it was going to do with my life and now driving around in the motorcade with the vice president getting calls from the President Okay don't tell me that this nation is an exceptional I watched you in three short years. podcast and to something truly special the opportunities exist for all of us man you know a short you just for me I mean many years ago I got a lifetime ban from giant stadium, turn it around on the field interview with Tom Brady show. So everything is possible here you know. Yeah, exactly. And let let me turn it into this Eric. Steel has got a new adventure here new book out today third installments. Three Petes. One is the new hit hit the listeners you at the Synopsis Book Drops Today Here Yeah Well. So you look one true patriots is I think my story yet. AMENABAR's burst book all out wars the second those are sort of out filled to the brim with action but there's action and more. In this book there's more plot there's more character development Eric Steele is he's got his back up against the wall facing a bill and a female assassin, the likes of which she's net. He's never faced before never seen anything like this during his time in the military or is operational time a singleton operator Sparta, the opera program in the first two books and the opera. Program Eric's friends are just being decimated. He's losing everything that he ever fought to protect people that he's loved and shares his entire life. and. He doesn't know who's doing it. It's all anonymous. There's a traitor in the mess in Eric's deal is just sort of in the middle of all this chaos trying to figure it out and I just feel like this is by far my best story and I and look. As a writer as a storyteller, you try to get better with every book you know. But I feel like this is just my for my best book. I'm really excited to share it with with people. Awesome. Yeah, I. got it right year. One True Patriot is available. Now drop a link in the description descriptions pie kissed episodes of my listeners can get on over there and get a copy you may have to transition now eventually from military thrillers to well political thrillers. As we go eric still may have to take a turn for the politics here. puffery not I'm probably just going to have a probably just gonNA live out my life fantasies through. The air. But but yeah I'm I'm excited about it. What Want Patriots my best book yet Nirvana become a time in this book were you realize the book is titled That Specific Way? A lot of questions are going to be answered in this book for people but I I mean it can be read at standalone as well. So if you want to start with up three, you can't it doesn't affect anything but Yeah I'm tell you the sheriff excited to share it with people and have excited to promote it here on your podcast for my for my three. The third right, and if you ever decide to make the run at the White House, you'd better drop that me here on the show. Not Happening, but then it. Wasn't running last year. So who knows man does? Crazy Times. Has. been. Any interest options for a Netflix series or anything like that to develop the book into a show? A series of movie there has been there has been as well as. Tune but I haven't pulled the trigger on any because I wanna make sure that the creative integrity of the project is is is protected. You know so it's not really about the money to me it's about getting it right and so but there has been. So hopefully hopefully, you'll see something within you know within my lifetime with not not just the Eric Steele Saga but also without Alberton. Yeah now have you have you thought ahead now getting elected into and being a congressman? Are you still going to have time to be able to put out more books or you have to put down old? Well, right now I'm just I'm just focused on winning. I'm like one day out. You know I'm working on the fourth book now I think it's going to be really good but yeah, I haven't given. I honestly haven't given that any thought whatsoever. None. Whatsoever. and. What's IT called What is the What is the campaign game plan and no you're hitting hitting it pretty hard. We got a short run here till November. Now, what kind of Game Plan? As the campaign I mean, we're just we're just doing all the hard unsexy work of getting out there in the middle of a crazy pandemic and you know that the pandemic by the way through Renton our plans, right? Like no more big rallies no more in person events for for at least a couple of months. So you know we're getting creative we're doing a lot of. Zoom events, skype events. But now just starting to get back out there you know doing we're going door to door were knocking on doors were meeting people were doing backyard, meet and greets everything's outside. Everybody can say spread out the name of this game is to meet the people be there by in for the people in represent them. So that's what we're GONNA do we're GONNA work our? Opponent from now until election day and just continue to fundraise outraged in the second quarter. It's really difficult for challenger to outrage incumbent but we did it and that's a testament to the people that are on board with this movement contributing to my campaign ultimately. Alek I'm just a small part of this man like you know I'm very small part of a much larger movement and you know It's a blessing. It's a blessing to even have the opportunity to serve again, it really is, and so we're just going to keep working hard from now until election day give this district people definitely fun to watch I bring it back to you is a down year. What what would you say the top values that you're hoping to instill in your kids as they grow up Your Sean? You know hard work and perseverance I, try to teach them to be positive been sometimes sometimes that's not easy. Man I. Think People Forget how difficult it is to be a kid you know and all the stressors that they that we faced in school I gotta tell you bro Thank God. We not have social media grown up. I mean can you imagine I mean it's just everything right now is immensely more complicated for kids are expected to grow up far faster than we were and this pandemic. I feel bad for everything was taken away from their friends, their sports, their school. And you know the pandemic is sort of esoteric concept of virus out there could get you sick in the kids are like. WanNa play sports there's their little right and so have a difficult time understanding. So for me being positive the understanding and recognition that life throws you curve balls right and you just have to keep swinging for the fences you have to keep working hard you have to keep trying because you know staying positive That will allow you to do some truly extraordinary things in this world. If you just put your nose to the grindstone, stay focused on the mission and ultimately getting the job done, it will pay dividends in this country. Yet very well said, and and the last thing going to hit you with Sean is the third time hitting you on and you probably touch on a little bit there with your last statement. What advice do you have in the new dad or for that about to be father WHO's out there listening I'll tell you people, people ask people ask me all the time. What's what's what's more difficult one kid or two kids with the transition right one to two to three and I always say zero to one man like you know you go from no kids a complete lifestyle shift to you drive down to the hospital with two people right and two days later drive home with three. Act just happened to my like. But my advice to new dads is just enjoy it. Love it. You know because it just seems like yesterday I was hold my oldest kid he's eleven hold my oldest kids in my arm just like looking at him thinking I cannot believe him dad love every second it used to hear my parents say, Hey, while you're my grandparents well, they grow up so quickly and I? Used to laugh at that, it's so cliche but there's a reason why it's it's Cliche. It's true. Enjoy the time with your little kids. You know do everything you can to spend real quality time with them. You know because those are the moments that they're going to remember and they're going to build. They're they're going to they're going to build their life upon those memories so. Just. Take brass you now and do everything. You can to spend time with and be win truly be with your kids because that that will pay off that will pay off in the long run and you don't get that time back with them. Yeah. Very well, say one true Patriot available now is in the description of the podcast episode candidate, Sean, Parnell? Congressman Sean Parnell you DADS out there Pennsylvania going to hit the polls get Sean Parnell elected. This has been an honor for me. Show I. Love having you on the podcast. Thank you so much your first class father. Thank you so much. You give me a few minutes time here. I fathered kidding me we'll. We'll do it again. Next year I love being here with you thanks Bro. Back to wrap things up here I last fatherhood I got to give a special. Thank you once again to Sean Parnell was such an honor to have back on the podcast year. Sent me up on Instagram deem on twitter. Let me know what you thought about today's podcast episode. I always love to read your feedback, lock it in and got a lot more actually coming your way here tomorrow on the podcast Sean Hannity joins me on the show Thursday hall, of Fame, Linebacker, Andre Tippett and Friday Medal of honor recipient. Bob Carey. All right. If you enjoyed today's podcast, please go over to I tunes or spotify and hit me with a rating and review and come back. We've got a lot more coming your way. Follow me on Instagram at school to find out who else will be joining me later this month got some real bangers coming your way. That's got you guys today I'm Alex. You have been listening to first place fatherhood and please remember guys. We're not babysitters we have fathers and we're not just fathers. We are I last bothers. Sophie last. Time. I open is. No.

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"Now the lace welcome to first glass fatherhood. Welcome everybody in episode two thirty to the podcast. I am happy as always the be here with you. Thanks for stopping shopping bhai. If this is your first time listening to podcasts please get over there and bang. That's try button. You do not want to miss. All the action is coming your way right here on first glance fatherhood all right dads. I hope everybody enjoyed their summer. I can't tell you how happy i am to be back here with you to keep this conversation about fatherhood and family life going strong. I have some incredible guests us joining me this month and today i have the honour of speaking with the first dads to return to the podcast. If you've never read sean parnell's outlaw platoon than you are really missing out he was recently a guest asked on jaakko willing podcast telling his story and talking about his new book all out war which drops today online and bookstores everywhere. I couldn't think of a better way to kick off this new new season of first class fatherhood than to be joined by an american hero such as sean parnell. He'll be here with me in a few minutes so please stick around for the interview. If you guys have been following me on social media than you know i had the honour of spending a week at the white house with a full press pass it was quite an awesome experience to spend some time there with all the white house correspondents and pretty eye opening learning to say the least <hes> my goal was to ask president trump you questions about fatherhood and family life specifically about the fatherless crisis that we have in the united states and it just so happens that the day after i left the baltimore became a hot topic wants the president made a tweet about and while everyone started blaming the politicians the economy the racism poverty and everything else for baltimore's problems. Nobody seemed to mention the fact that seventy percent of the teenagers in baltimore are living without a father in the home according to the u._s. Census senses and wherever we see a community with high levels of crime drug use gang violence and all of that you will definitely see a high percentage of fatherless households downsides matter families matter so what i will do here is continue to shine the spotlight on fatherhood and bring on high profile men who have accomplished greatly in their lives and allow wow them to talk about how awesome and fulfilling it is to be a dad. 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If you would like to consider becoming a sponsor of first-class fatherhood please hit me up with an email first class fatherhood and g email dot com all right joining me. Now is a first class father. He is a new york times bestselling author. He is a former army ranger combat veteran a purple heart recipient and a true american. Hero is a big honor for me to say sean parnell. Welcome back to first-class fatherhood. Hey it's great to it'd be back second year in a row man yeah. I repeat father to join me on the podcast. You and it's quite an honor. It is quite an honor man. I have watched as you over the years like you know bost your bust your butt to make this podcast where it is and and it it really is the only game in town i feel like in terms of <hes> elevating and elevating the father all the father in the family and so you've just done an amazing drowsiness and honored repack i love being with you and i love seeing what you're doing and love watching you grow yeah thank you for that. I'm trying to get after it here and keep pushing the envelope <hes> trying to change the narrative on family life. How old are the kids now. What grades they head into two okay so eaten. My oldest is going into fifth grade and he's ten. <hes> emma is my middle. She's going into third grade and she's eight in evan. My youngest six going into first grade. Their first day of school is monday and <hes> you know how that is like lead up the scores just just chaotic and crazy and haircuts. It's and they make you gotta make sure their uniforms or sized right. It's it's chaos but it's fun. It's fun to see him. Grow and and you know it's like you know what's so crazy. <hes> you know so a crazy man. It's like i i take a picture of them with me. <hes> before every school year and you know every weekend before they start school i go back and look at those pictures and i'm just like it's amazing how fast they grow from one year to the next you hear all the time. <hes> people say oh my grandma man. Oh just you know you guys are going up so fast and it's you know it's sort of cliche but i know why she says it now because it's true. It's like just looking back even just a year. It's amazing how fast grow you know yeah yeah. That's one of the things just about being a dad and you're just a parent in general just understanding now like oh. Now i get where my mom was coming from. Where my dad was coming from. You can start to get it a little more. It makes a little bit more sense. The picture becomes more clear yet so true and i look back and i was i was i was a real pain. Hey you know i was talking to my dad. My mom and my parents tell me when i was in my early twenties like as a young army lieutenant. It's like eventually. You're going to have your own kids. Some day and you know hey karma thing you know. One of those cans is gonna be just like you is gonna hassle. You just like you and boys. That's true my my oldest is <hes> he's he's all my kids are like the best thing that ever happened to me <hes> but my order says he's a lot like me and like he's he's. He's challenging. He's challenging and a good way. You know i it just it gives me perspective on what my parents were going through trying to raise me be there for me <hes> <music> as a kid too so it's crazy sometimes how things come full circle like that yeah well said and and yeah talking about time going fast. We feel like we have all summer to get like the school. Supplies is and all that stuff and then all of a sudden. It's all jammed in wait a minute. It starts next week. You know man. You know that makes me mad like you know. This is another thing that like really really gets me going because you you know god man. It seems like summer get shorter and shorter every year. My kids are going back august twenty six to school <hes> and i think a year before that it was after for labor day you know and so that isn't the speaker something like kids probably have two hours of homework every night and again you know how old they are all under all under ten and so they're in school for eight eight hours a day then they come home and eat two hours of homework every night and if they play a sport like they've got that on their play to at what point did these kids get to dislike sorta. Let their hair down and relax a little bit kids. You know it's kinda crazy yeah. It's definitely a change your kid. Did you have any <hes> summer reading books they had to do. I know i've done from judy moody's in the maze runner with my guys. You know what <hes> first of all my kids my my daughter. She's right judy moody. She has a whole series the maze runner like i am reading the masar to her now. That's that's something i do every night so when i read to my kids every night and my daughter and i are reading the major now man. That's a really cool book. She really digs it but yeah my oldest has he's got some homework. He's got a book. He's gotta read over the summer and and he has to not just answer like multiple choice questions but he has something like twenty five questions about the book that he has has to do prior to going back to school and again. I'm i don't like that. I wish that like i feel like in the summer. These kids are so over scheduled during the school year. I just wish that in the summertime school good sir can relax because if they did that i feel like kids would be would absorb information. It'd be more motivated to learn than they are when they go back. I feel like sometimes he's kickback school. They're just utterly smoked you know yeah and and reading to the kids a lot more fun than reading with them when when when they're just learning to read it takes a heck of a lot of patience the sit there and listen to them sound out each and every syllable so the books get longer and longer when you sit down with the beginning yeah you know it's funny man like <hes> like when my kids were were young and still learning to read <hes> the one that was my big thing like you know. I want them to read me a book. You know you hear so often about parents read to their kids every night and how important important absolutely is it really is <hes> but i you know when my kids were learning to read. It was like hey you're gonna read the dad tonight you know and what's cool is that sorta became became our battle rhythm so to speak. You know we get home. They get home from school. They relaxed like go get into the bedtime routine and at first it was them reading to me until they really comfortable with reading thing and then it was that picking on a book that we read together and so <hes> you know i selfishly like you know my kids like i feel like they're not excited to go back school. I mean they might be excited to go back to their friends on a regular basis but i feel like every kid kind of <hes> you gotta go back to school but i'm excited because you know it gets us back on that raquin gene. We're reading together every night and spend quality time together. Every night like summer just as chaotic man made i feel like you're all all over the map in the summer all the time so it'll be nice to get. Thanks settle back down again for the school year. Yeah definitely yeah we we. My wife and i feel the same way here. At least it brings a little bit more structure. It's like a free for all like you said there. In the summertime anything that is for sure all right well talking about books. Today is a big day for you. As an author is the second average deal novel. It drops on us today all out war. It's the follow up to what was just really. Ah kick ass fictional debut for you man of war. Can you tell us about all out war. And where can we find it. Well i mean so you can buy all out war anywhere. Books are sold and i would greatly appreciate it if you did you know anytime i sell a book and help support my family so and that's what i do for a living <hes> but you know <hes>. This book i think is is more. It's a little bit more like everybody can pick it up and read it. It's less of a military thriller more of a mainstream stroller. <hes> my first book eric steele the book starts off with eric steel and beirut route and then he's he's in tunis all over the world this kid he he's all over the world as well <hes> but he gets he eric's deal gets attacked at home and his mother gets hurt so it's something that we can all identify with. You know you know we all have to a certain extent. We all have a mom right and and so you know. I feel like the these books me you know. We're an opportunity just <hes> reason why they're important to me. Is there an opportunity to continue to capture the legacy my soldiers at first i did it without la petite and just trying to get their story oriented page right and then <hes> over time. I just realized how americans are connected to people who serve right and there's something to those who raise the right hand and volunteer to services like about putting country before yourself. Put your family <hes> before yourself putting so many things serving something greater than yourself and so you know i just felt called to write a character a main character hero <hes> that embodied those qualities man and so you know i wanted kids to be able to read read these books and and know what it means to serve something greater than yourself understand what makes american warriors tick duty honor country selflessness loyalty integrity. All those things are so important <hes> but i also think that all those things are lacking in mainstream entertainment today you know and and so that's what you get when you get these books you get you get an awesome story. The hope is that you know action packed co-fund story but you also get hero that that you you can be comfortable that if if your kids are gonna read you know they're gonna come away learning the right things and so i i think that's important you know yeah and we definitely you're right. We definitely need need those characters right now. We need those stories in our country especially for our young men and women together here and you know i read outlaw platoon and man of war and it's in in many ways. It seems almost more unrealistic then man of war. It's just what happened there. <hes> is outlawed for tuna or is the ever steal i no. I've seen a few people ask you this on social media. <hes> is there anything in the works to turn either outlaw platoon or <hes> man of were the average deal series into a movie or tv series series. Yes yes on both accounts. You know both out level team and eric young man of war franchise eric feel franchise are being looked at by producers was out in hollywood out in l._a. But you know it's treacherous. It's that process is so long so painstaking. It's like it's one of those things man that you have like. Knock on the door until your knuckles bleeding at the door doesn't open you have to kick it in but at the same time you have to be patient and allow things develop and so i'll opportunity for six years. It's whether it's it's in good hands right now. <hes> and we're trying to see if we can make it into a mini series and i think they're still you know. That's that's better formatted. Automatic haven't got a big screen so hopefully hopefully we get some bites on that stuff sued because like i said man like i think it's important i mean if you see the same things over in over again in hollywood like you see things like regurgitate like like macgyver was when i was a kid macgyver show now you have on when i was a kid in hawaii five o on again. You're seeing draft department. I was a kid and you're seeing it. Reboot it on the big screen. It's like sometimes. I feel like you know. Hollywood is is a copycat culture. They want to regurgitate things that have already been done because these are already existing brands that people are familiar with but at the same time i think america is crazy. New content you know which is why places like netflix amazon are crushing it right and now because that's what they're doing. They're giving us new stories new characters new content so hopefully we can get you know eric's deal on the big screen with the new with the new fictional hero out there for for that our kids can watch. It'd be proud of yeah what happens here with a lot of these things sean you. She just regurgitate it. <hes> saint series with definitely better <hes> special special effects and graphics with the story lines are just not up to par the storylines were so much better years ago but the graphics kind of failed if they could just match those two things together i i think they really have something oh totally agree and he knows something that something that i think is really important as well as our kids are couldn't need to be able to clearly differentiate between what's right and what's wrong. You know everything in our culture today. The waters are so muddy k kids with the whole concept of moral relativism. It's like you know it's hard for them to know. I feel like in many ways what's right and what's wrong. You know and i feel like it's our job as parents to help them understand that but we also learned that <hes> what's going in. Whats evil fictional stories and movies. You know when we were growing up like you know when you if you watch disney movies. I'm sure you had if that's his kids. Growing up you watch disney. Movies is in you know safer jeopardy. Watch the lion king or something like that the bad guy in the lion king scar right well who who's the bad guy and finding you know there is no oh bad guy and finding nemo the bad guys like high-concept. It's the journey right. The fathers journey defined the senate and i think that's a lot of the cool story and everything but at the same time our kids are learning through that sort of mainstream entertainment good versus evil. You know it's got sick man. We were growing up. It was like what were the big cartoons back then human and <hes> <hes> thunder cats and hawke's bay cartoon as we had back then joe g._i. Joe good and evil clearly differentiated did right today we don't have that and that concerns me a little bit and so that's also you know again something that i'm trying to put into these books to clear clear if a clear line between good and evil and why it's important for kids to be on the side of good you know yeah definitely any even even the basic things for the kids like another movie coming out with. Tom hanks about about mister rogers and i was showing my kids the preview they they've never heard of mr rogers. We don't have things like that. Those kind of fun educational things where he used to talk about things like how a child could be just so anxious overwhelmed by just as simple as getting a haircut you know we're throwing them into these things that are like way over their heads sometimes yeah it's so true. Ah i watched mr rogers and mr rogers is a is a latrobe guy you know western pennsylvania and i'm from pittsburgh pennsylvania <hes> he's latrobe guy from western pennsylvania and so i used to watch him as a kid growing up all the time just small lessons about how how how living your life and putting others i is the core of living meaningful life and i feel like as parents part of our job. Our duty and responsibility is teaching our kids to be selfless and teaching our kids the always other people i you know at because again doing that leads to meeting in regard released meaning everything that you do whether you you know and what what i always talk talk to my kids especially. My oldest is like your career. Whatever your career whatever you decide it is that you wanna do is not. You're calling. It's important to figure out what's what you love. What you're passionate about about <hes> figure out what your calling is before you figure out what your career is figure out. 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Dad's seatgeek dot com promo code first class fatherhood is the best seat in the house so and this this circles back to something and that was what we've been talking about man is that i don't think that there is a moral component to mainstream entertainment today. I don't think you'd be hard pressed to find a book of fiction book that you can give your kids. They can pick up and read and you put so you. You'd feel comfortable with you know the this book is teaching my kids. You know value system that will help them be successful generous and selfless in life. You know i i i don't think i don't think that there's much out there right now. And the terms of fictional books <hes> that you can give your kids and feel comfortable if they'll do that <hes> and so i know oh. Did you know i know my books will do that. I mean i've made it a mission of mine and make sure to die. Systems are embodied by the hero <hes> but at the same time they're i think they're cool. Cool stories man. I think they're cool. Fun stories you know and so <hes> you know hey. That's the groom right. That's that's the goal is to try to get the these books into the hands of the next generation. I try to influence them to <hes> you know make the right decisions and be better than we were right and i'll tell you what i think. We see the impact in our society from this. We've just seen seen over the summer here. <hes> baltimore came into the news and everyone was trying to point the finger out why baltimore's doing so bad why some of these cities and they talk about the politics the economy all all this stuff they don't mention the the fact that in baltimore alone this seventy percent of the teenagers there have no father in their life and we're where we see this fatherless problem. We're seeing all the crime seeing the teenage pregnancies the drug use it's running rampant as the fatherless percentage goes up soda all those other things and what what really really bothers me about this is is our leadership's failure to identify that as a problem you know <hes> our leaders on both sides of the aisle. <hes> have really really haven't tackled you know. Fatherless families are really even having identified the problem but you're absolutely right. That's you know there is a direct direct correlation between crime drug use in fatherless families. The the importance of the role of the father in a family cannot be understated you know and you're seeing the fallout of father families in places like baltimore as you said that would bothers me again. Is that our politicians. Don't tackle it because it's a very complex problem the deal with yeah. I think there's a rue the way to change. This stuff is just like you're saying to have more of an influential dominance in stories in books chen in movies and in the media about celebrating the father character in the household. The character's role in this society drives me crazy. Look what pick out any sitcoms sitcom that you want to make any sitcom that you see. The father almost always be some bumbling idiot who's uninvolved right monday. Type yeah the yes yes. Yes yes great. Well said exactly that's a perfect example of what i'm talking about and it bothers me because it makes the father's role in the family seem unimportant shortened and and the truth of the matter is the exact opposite is true. <hes> you know truthfully. The father's role is important but also the father's role in conjunction with the mom is also important so happy showing showing an uninvolved father though is something that really bothers me because you you almost never see you almost never see a mom portrayed in mainstream entertainment as an album monday type. You almost never do right <hes> and so this is why i appreciate appreciate so much of what you're doing because you know it's it's it's about elevating the role as a father. It's about showing how important fathers kids and and in terms of being a good husband means father. It's it's it's really really really important. Say on the flip side of that to sean is not only. Are we not seeing that. The father portrayed traded a strong character. We're seeing a single guy as the guy that you want to change the guy who sleep multiple women the guy who's got no responsibilities. They're making that the attainment of the male yeah yeah you know it is so true man how how how they they make it seem like a man that a man that almost abandoned their their family or as the rogue operator the bad boy is is what is desirable <hes> but the fact of the matter is is you and i both know that's not true and and see this is why this is why it's so important <hes> for fiction and mainstream entertainment to tackle this problem because fathers play a critical role role in the family <hes> a stabilizing role in the family and fathers can have a profound impact on the lives of their kids and and and right now we just we just don't see that in mainstream entertainment and what's funny is is that <hes> there are some shows like you know home improvement grownup. That's wildly popular now. Tim allen and i can't remember it. I think he's gonna show called last man standing or something like that yeah where the role of the father is actually he's actually a good father is involved and it's like the number one show in the country free in that in that demographic on that network right and so the desire to see fathers and families in traditional roles is there. It's just mystic hollywood. Mainstream entertainment doesn't give it to us right so i think it desires there are people i think people want to see it but i think that i think that hollywood and the people that are the developing and designing in creating these stories aren't giving it to us yeah. Definitely there's definitely a thirst for let me let me bring it back. You know so your book here all out war your second fictional book. Do you feel more comfortable now with the process developing the characters and what was the the writing experience like the second go around as opposed to the first. Oh my gosh i if you know each story presents its own unique challenges in the first story. I just remember with man of war. I just didn't know if i could get it done. You know halfway through. I'm like oh oh my gosh. It's feels like i'm climbing mount everest here. <hes> you know but i ended up put my nose to the grindstone gets grindstone getting that story done and then it was met with some success. That's like an opportunity to write another one and so i knew that i wanted to write a simpler tighter faster story and that's what i did an all out war but man. I gotta tell you man it. Every stories stories are just so it's so hard to telugu story you know it's an art form of itself and so it was challenging but i think in many ways better than the first book you know because it's it's more i think it's more engaging i <hes> mainstream raiders bill to pick it up and identify with the main character more <hes> because you get to meet his mom and his mom court part of the story and you know we all have a mom and so and so yeah i go. I guess as a writer is to to get better every time i think that all out war is better than men of war and i think people you know the review so far all out war i mean are better in man of war and it's just like you know. I just hope that would each story that i write this gets better and better and better you know in so fingers crossed. I hope people enjoy it. I think that they okay well <hes> and like i said in the process of writing a third steel book now too which is just crazy you know so you don't get much of a break as a writer is when you're put turning any of these books out one a year <hes> so but like i said i hope it's just the hope is just you know every story. You get a little bit better. Each time yeah and i'll tell you what i can imagine me just no just from doing the podcast here while having kids and trying to do something creative <hes> and structured like writing the book he ever get to the point. Where like you're head is in a space where oh you wanna take the story and then the kids like hey dad and then you gotta go do something with them and then you use that spot. Is that happened to you as it happens all the time look. It's really it's look. It's like when you're sitting down at a computer cuter right. Your kids. Don't really know what you're doing especially when they're little you know it's not like out there cutting the grass you know <hes> where where the kids can actually see them. I'm occupied occupied with something so but absolutely you know if the kids especially during the summer if i'm home and i'm not traveling because i've traveled to probably fifty speaking engagements a year <hes> you know my kids are like hey. Let's you know that can you come do this. Can you come play. Come look at this video game. Come outside and play catch with me. I almost always put the story down and stop. The writing process has to drop what i'm doing to play with them because i think that you know looking when as they grow and they look back on their life those are going to be the things that they remember. I think kids are gonna remember. Hey my dad always made time for me. You know i came before my dad's worked so any time that i can like any time you know not on a serious deadline and i can easily just stop author writing process. Get out and play with the kids for a little bit. You know i do it. You know because the writing can always wait the the work can always wait. You know the kids though like they grow up fast. I wanna make sure that i'm there for them. When they're young and then he'd be the most you know because i want them to look back and i went into was back on their life with me and think that i always put them. I you know what decided to like. I want to be at a point later down the line where i look back and i don't feel as though i missed out on the opportunities with my kids as well you know looking at it from that point two yeah. Oh my my gosh hundred percent. You know you know my kids. They're not gonna be outside. We're not gonna be age forever. You know i mean eat my oldest ethan. I mean he's he's on his adolescence and pretty soon. He's probably not going to think i'm all that cool. The guy you know rebelling against pretty soon it's so i feel like you only get one crack at your kids like being there for them when they're young you know and showing them that you're willing to listen to them unconditionally and you have to set that tone on their little so that they feel comfortable talking to you about challenging things when they're adolescents and so <noise> hell yeah man like i don't wanna look back and think that i missed the second i can't with them <hes> and i i also want them to look back and know that i always had their backs when they needed it yeah yeah very well said and how about are we talking about them getting older what what age would be comfortable with you up and the kids to read either man of war and all out war and then even outlawed to what age do you think you'd want them to be before they read the books. Well i think you can. I think it can read out loud with tune for twelve on you know it's pretty no-holds-barred story but but it's true history you know so. There's i mean for me. It's an occasional thing it's historical. It's accurate it's real and it's not like just gratuitous violence for violence sake so you know all the tunas being assigned in school districts all all around the country for reading in history classes so i feel like kids can pick it up and read it from twelve thirteen years old man of war. You know <hes> you know. Thirteen fourteen eighteen years old easily easily like my main character like he doesn't he doesn't he didn't drop any bombs or do anything like that. You know what i mean. He's just a good example and so you know i mean those. The stories themselves can be sort of no holds bar. You know <hes> i feel like thirteen years. Old is is plenty old enough to read those books. Okay very cool and and i'll tell you what obviously the political scene we have in our country is a nightmare here about glad to see. I'm glad to see so. Many veterans are now getting involved throwing on your hands or the ring. Is there any possibility for you to ever get into that realm. That's something that way off your radar. People have asked me about it. Man you know the thing. Is that like what what i always tell people is that i don't need a title whether it's a rank in the military or a political title to serve this country. You know i'm gonna continue. Advocating advocating for what i believe is best <hes> the best best pass for this country like i took an oath to protect and defend it defend the constitution and i always will do that <hes> <hes> as far as what the future holds running for any sort of political office. I mean you try to move through life without blinders on map so <hes> if i'm not going to write off anything i mean if if i get the opportunity to run for political office and if it's the right thing for my family you know <hes> you know maybe i'll maybe i'll consider that are doing it but right now it's like i got three little kids that that i need to be involved in their lives. Every day. You know if i ran for political office and ended up becoming a congressman congressman or something someday. I'd seen him like two or three days a week. You know and that's right now. This is not acceptable to me so it's gotta be there for them. I <hes> but if i get the opportunity down the line who knows man <hes> although although i have to say the idea of like being in congress or running for the senate does make my stomach because i feel like the moment you're elected. You're almost part of the problem and so that's why that's why i always say like i can serve the country like an advocate for the things that i believe in what i believe is best for the country without a title and i will always continue to do that yeah so cool yeah and all out war drops today here what type of <hes> appearances you're going to be making anywhere. The <hes> senior you coming up soon here yeah yeah well you could probably you could probably go back and three my appearance on fox and friends and they'll probably be unmarked mccowan later in the week <hes> and you can look at me like a couple of other podcasts and and stuff you check my social media you know on twitter at a sean parnell you with a instagram official sean parnell and you can check me out on facebook and all my parents will be there okay very cool and i'm gonna include a link in the distributor of this podcast episode so my listeners can get over there ram a copy. I do see that c k dedication of because that's something special there. We're going to let the dog without a what so the dedication the dedication for all out war is to anyone that's ever gone to uniform and defense of this country <hes> our military oh -tary in first responders the book all out war is dedicated to you okay very cool all right <hes> last thing. I want to hear sean. I love to ask gonna podcast. This is your second goal around so <hes> we'll see you got here. What type of advice do you happen. I knew dad orphan father. Who's out there listening. You know just be there for your kids. You know right right now like i like your kids need you now more than ever as a father and you need to be the active <hes> and not detached involved in not detached and so you know don't be afraid to sit down and talk to their children really talk to develop a relationship with your can't talk to them about what they love what they hate. You know what what they're afraid of. <hes> what you know. It's just developing. A relationship with your children is everything you don't get a second crack at it so work just as hard hard on that work just as hard on developing a relationship as you would a new job and i feel like we do that or pay off dividends. <hes> you know ten twenty years down the lines you watch your kids. Hitch grow yeah very well said i love the message. It's been an honor to have you back on the podcast here showing part now. You're a first-class father. Thank you so much for giving me a few minutes at times personally fatherhood uh-huh yes thanks man. I appreciate being back and hopefully we'll be back for a third year yeah. I'd be honored to have you back from a three here. It's been a pleasure speaking with you today. I'll be right back with a a couple of calls and thoughts in just a second here back to wrap things up here first fatherhood. I have to give a special. Thank you once again to sean parnell for giving me a few minutes of his time here so awesome. Please make sure you grab a copy of his new new book all out war tomorrow on the podcast w._w._e. Superstar titus o'neil will be here and thursday for n._f._l. Opening day super bowl when he quarterback trent dilfer joins me on the podcast so let's go. We're just getting started here. There's a ton of great content heading your way. Please shared his podcast with every father in your neighborhood or in your contact list. Let let them know about the show that is celebrating fatherhood family life. That's all i got you guys today. Thank you so much for tuning into first place fatherhood on alec lace and please remember guys. We are not babysitters babysitters. We our fathers and we're not just fathers. We are first-class fathers. They take so down the time.

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3/3/2020 WE BACK; Thunder, Sooners, NFL CBA, Parnell Motley, and a milk shake idea

The Big Story

15:55 min | 1 year ago

3/3/2020 WE BACK; Thunder, Sooners, NFL CBA, Parnell Motley, and a milk shake idea

"Only Oklahoma City thunder are thirty seven. And Twenty three coming off a five game win streak that was independent Milwaukee Bucks on Friday night. The one thirty three eighty six losses the largest loss in okay see thunder history but does not mean this heading in the right direction but just removing that fifty point loss which is really gonNA screw up the analytics on thunder. You could actually look at their past few weeks. Notice that they've been on very positive up. Trade winds over the Pelicans nuggets the Spurs and the Kings all teams trying to make the playoffs is a great sign for Oklahoma City heading into the home stretch. Thirteen more winds and Chris Paul Descending Russell Westbrook never bags around the baby s Oklahoma. It's a big victory over Iowa state over the weekend after coming off a massive victory to speak energy rita over the Texas Tech Red Raiders. Those two wins might solidify. Ou's chances it into the tournament March and either way definitely greatness the odds between a win over Texas tonight on ESPN two or win over TCU in this coming week absolutely make sure that the sooners will see postseason play not in the nit. Oh you currently sits in fourth in the big twelve at eight and eleven on the season and long Krueger might be doing his best coaching job in recent memory. Now you miss me man Colorado. Hello baby sitting here. The big story today podcast today. We have a chocked full show for you. Obviously the thunder in. Oh you are gonNA be right after he gets off as well as Oklahoma's NFL draft prospects a guy that you've never heard of that you need to be aware of Oklahoma as well as how the NFL CBA is going to affect your favorite pro team as well as Dak Prescott. The Dallas Cowboys quarterback wild pitch is the big story of the day. Podcasts first off one of politics is I Had some computer issues at my home. That kept me from being other record. This podcast every day but hopefully those have been resolved now so I can get this back out to you on a daily basis here. On the franchise podcast network which is indeed sponsored by new balance and Edmund. Make sure you head up to new balance and get those people to take care of you. They do a great job. I actually just made a trip up to that store At fourteen thousand two South Bryant Avenue in Edmond Oklahoma Right there in the Spring Creek Plaza. And let me say the staff was awesome. They measured my foot. They made sure I was in the right size. I've actually been buying the wrong pair of shoes or wrong size if shoe for quite some time and they kind of set in the right direction got hooked up with a pair and they're the most comfortable shoes at owns a new bounce. Edmund a great sponsor here the big story today podcast I also sponsored by Lucky Casino out and Contra Oklahoma an awesome place to go hang after looking to gamble the only place that I play. Blackjack OUT NOW. They have tons of slot machines. They actually have a great selection of shows and Comedians. That come through there too. And they're big auditorium. So make sure you keep up with everything going on Lucky Star casino but this is the big story today. Podcast brought to you by the franchise PODCAST Network Oklahoma City. Currently on a one game losing streak follow to Shellacking that they received from Milwaukee I truthfully I don't feel like breaking down this game too much without digital gallon. Rem playing the best team in the NBA at least for the regular season. A loss like this is something that we probably should have come to expect on the second night of back to back. Pat Coniston scored fourteen George Hill scored fourteen Robin Lopez put a twelve and Yoenis thirty two with a plus forty four net rating at twenty seven minutes. I don't need to tell you how it standing Jaanus was. One thing I will say taking away from this ball game dino a gallon Nari actually was sitting out on the second night of a back to back as he has all season but the thing of note here was at Hamadu. Diablo got the start in his place. Now obviously did not work again. Fifty point loss. I get it. But here's what I do like billy. Donovan continues to try to be aggressive to get creative solutions. Most people assume coming into your that Chez Gilles Alexander Dish and Chris. Paul could never sit on the floor together. The exact same time for defensive reasons yet. They're the best lineup in the NBA. Lou Door a two way contract should never be starting for extended period of time yet. He started almost twenty games now in his time with Oklahoma City. Billy Donovan Time and time again is shown the affection for the creative solution and it's worked out the other thing. I would take away from this one steven Adams plates seventeen minutes. But he had by far the best plus minus of anyone on the team minus five so maybe whenever the Thunder Roll ran against Houston net may look different than Milwaukee replaces similar similar style. Stephen Adams might be able to hold his own on the floor. Something to monitor but overall Oklahoma City was coming into that game on a six game win streak and not to act like the win over the Chicago Bulls was exactly outstanding or the win over the Sacramento. Kings really added a whole lot of hope in good luck for the rest of the season wins over the Pelicans nuggets and the Spurs are all three that thunder fans should look at with positive momentum heading into the year thirteen game. Sit Between Chris Paul and this thunder team and getting to the fifty win mark. Something Russell. Westbrook never did his time alone in Oklahoma City and it actually seems plausible tonight. The thunder will be facing off against the Los Angeles Clippers. And as of right now the time of this recording truthfully have not entirely sure. Who's going to be showing up for? The Clippers is Kawhi Leonard or Paul. George be sitting out. I don't know the clippers are coming off a win against the Philadelphia. Seventy sixers a team. That's really been reeling in the Eastern Conference without Joel. Embiid Ben Simmons. So it's safe to assume that the clippers will not be at full strength which they've only been eight times this entire season so a possible winnable game here for Oklahoma City. The thunder of actually defeated the Clippers in the past this season. Espn matchup predictor. Has this game as a fifty fifty tossup I assume purely based on the fact that Oklahoma City's of their home floor and they have no idea Paul George or Kawhi Leonard Are GonNa play Games off at seven. Pm We'll be on Fox southwest. If you're looking at watching that one and the Oklahoma sooners had to win three of their final five games bracket allows you told us to make into march madness. Well with wins over Texas Tech in West Virginia. Oh you is sprinting. Towards the finish line at pleasantly surprising rate trying to finish the regular season strong headed into the big twelve tournament. Oklahoma only stands with Texas. As again they'll be played in Norman. Tonight at eight. Pm game will be broadcast. Live on the franchise seven seven in Oklahoma City and then the final game of the year on the road against Tcu Horn frogs again bracket allergy tells us that if oh you went either one of those games. They almost assuredly lock themselves into the tournament but with wins over Texas Tech in West Virginia. Back to back outings. Chance so you is already maybe finalized their spot for the big dance either way long career in a scrappy. Bunch of transfers and freshman really misfits from other programs find themselves. Exactly what you expected them to be fourth in the big twelve on the outside chance of things break right maybe make it a little bit deep of a run into the big twelve tournament as well as making March madness. Now they're not going to be a high seed and likely will be eliminated in the first or second round if they don't have to play into playing game but either way. This season should be considered a success. Oh you trying to recover. After having big time talent in their wings for the past few seasons including the likes of trae young and buddy healed now trying to find their new identity heading into next year but either way. This is absolutely a victory for Oklahoma. I don't know how much everyone on this podcast knows about the name about dimension. But there's a guy catching waves in the NBA. Right now putting up. Quite the season shake Milton. A point guard is filled in for Ben Simmons and the absence due to a back. Injury has stepped in nicely for the sixers and put up thirty nine points on Sunday night against Los Angeles Clippers on a nationally televised game now shake Milton. It's not a four year deal. Dropped out of the second round making no money. So it's a pleasant surprise for the clippers because a minimum salary guy being able to contribute the way that he has so far really adds to an offense and death for championship level team. Now why is this important for you? Shake Meltzer Oiseaux Oklahoma. Try LOCAL KID. Someone who most people. I did not know coming out of high. School is putting a big numbers. He played his college ball at Smu and only twenty three years old right now in a second season the NBA. Now in these starting roles he's put up seventeen seven twenty nine thousand nine hundred and thirty nine points and back to back to back to back games local. Oklahoma kid getting it done in the sad thing is. I assume most of you don't even know he's from Oklahoma. If you're looking for more reasons to cheer for the sixers other than Sam Hinkie the former general manager being from my hometown marlow Oklahoma shake Milton by be. That reason shake has been great this year and he showed an incredible ability to score on and off the ball in an awesome shooting ability. I have no idea if this is gonNA maintain and truthfully I was hesitant to mention it for quite a while. But now Shaka's played almost the entire year for the seventy sixers on fully guaranteed contract and after a slow start to the season where he wasn't getting playing time in recent months as close as February he's put up huge numbers inconsistent offensive outing shake a guy from Oklahoma that we all should be thankful for because he's representing Oklahoma's well so shall shake Milton by your shake Jersey and someone for the love of God at a restaurant. Come up with a shake. Milton milkshake that's just too easy. Kenneth Murray Jalen Hurts Neville Gallimore as well. Cd LAMB or all the four big names that people should be paying attention to in the NFL draft. Now I could go on a rant for a long time. Why don't think Jalen hurts going to make it as an NFL quarterback at the next level? I could also tell you. I think Kenneth Murray might struggle in his first three four seasons before my maybe finding a permanent home elsewhere after the team drafts him too high in this upcoming draft or why. Cd Land might be the best receiver to ever come out of Oklahoma when it's all said and done and I know I know the context to me saying that I'm just saying it's possible but the thing I think more sooner fan should be talking about and maybe being excited about is the concept of Porno Motley more than likely. We'll be drafted in somewhere. In the top five rounds at Parnell Motley think might make an incredible pro now be kept with Motley in his college career. You know his first few seasons as a starter were rough. Lots of pass interference penalties lots of blown assignments and a lot of bad touchdowns giving up. That wasn't a Parnell Motley problem by and large. That was an defense problem. This past season you could make the case. Parnell Motley was their best member of their secondary. He played a great job of most number one receivers all season yet didn't get an invite to the NFL combine. I think it has more to do with Oklahoma than the film. Nfl guys love their cornerbacks. Cocky arrogant but be able to back it up and Parnell Motley can do all of those things. Pardo Motley is going to be a steel nece. Nfl draft and wouldn't shock me if he's a starter by the end of his rookie season. If not his second year he's going to be a guy shows up the training camp and plays heart. He's not GonNa have the great forty. These docking agree had the great brought up his three cones going to be average but he's a football player and Parnell Motley shown that time and time again when given the opportunity he rises to the occasion. And I know he's going to do that. The next level's well so sooner fans keep an eye on Parnell Motley of where he ends up in a few months the NFL draft the NFL and the player's Association are trying to come to a new. Cba agreement those close to it have already said that the deal is not reached by the start of this upcoming season then more than likely there won't be. Nfl Season Twenty twenty one. Twenty twenty two so this is important. The other reason this is important is because March sixteenth. Nfl Free Agency begins now. Why does this affect everything? Because all the marquee free agents have already came out and said that there's no new. Cba deal they're not signing any new contract more than likely this will increase the salary cap which will increase the amount of money available to each team to spend free agency this summer. Not next year. In those quarterbacks Dak Prescott included Tom Brady included Teddy Bridgewater included one. A piece of that pie so till they had the heart vast number of exactly what the salary cap is GonNa look like for this upcoming year more than likely they're not gonna be willing to negotiate the also take exhilaration that the. Nfl originally tried at seventeenth game on this upcoming season. But that looks to have gone by the wayside as continue to negotiate adding a seventh playoff team for each conference the two parties which were reportedly very very close few days ago heading into the weekend see never miles and miles apart between them now. I don't know what's going to happen between now and then but this is a big story if you have a favorite NFL team and let's just take mine the eagles for an example every NFL team has money. They can spend a free agency and right now the big buzz around Philadelphia's that they're gonNA sign Byron Jokes but let's say new CBA it's signed. That means they could go into the offseason. Signed Byron Jones as well as possibly in got quite from the Jacksonville. Jaguars assuming that the franchise tag he got put on yesterday. Afternoon doesn't stick. That's a big difference in suddenly every team. Going from being able to sign to mildly impactful guys or one really good. One have a ton of flexibility to add a whole lot of spending do you remember the NBA Free Agency of Two Thousand Sixteen? Where the cavs spiked. We might see something similar this summer if the CBA gets done before then but again. Lots of room between now and the deadline. Hopefully we can get to see some high price spending so we have something to talk about this summer and the NFL. Thank you so much listed the Big Story Day podcast. My name is Chisholm ashes unharmed on twitter. We're sponsored by the franchise podcast network which is brought to you by new ballots in Edmond at fourteen ninety two South Bryant Avenue. Great Place to go prayer sneakers. They'll take great care of you and get you into the right size. Wells like star. Because you know Conscio- Oklahoma awesome place to play a wager or just play. Slot machines see a show listened to a comedian or even just hanging out. The resurrection gets great food. Lucky starting concert is a short thirty minute. Drive from the okay. See Metro my favorite home away from home. Every Monday was saying as on the triple m ranch but until tomorrow take it easy. Everybody begins bag.

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May 29, 2020: Jennifer Holiday

Today in True Crime

12:03 min | 1 year ago

May 29, 2020: Jennifer Holiday

"Today is Friday. May Twenty Ninth Twenty Twenty on this day in two thousand five Texas. Emt worker Jennifer Holliday was shot abducted tortured and sexually assaulted after watching her cousin. Anna Franklin get murdered in cold blood. Welcome to today in true crime. Apar- cast original due to the graphic nature of today's crimes listener. Discretion is advised extreme. Caution is advised for listeners under thirteen. Today we're covering the terrifying abduction and miraculous escape of twenty seven year old. Emt Jennifer Holliday. Let's go back to May twenty ninth two thousand five sometime around two a M Jennifer Holliday was driving in the dark down Texas highway sixty nine. She just picked up her eighteen year old cousin Anna Franklin from her babysitting job. Then out of nowhere came a bang. Anna's terrified cries erupted from the passenger seat but Jennifer was in shock not registering. What had happened? She tried calming down then. She pulled over to the side of the road to assess she assumed her. Suv had been rear ended by a drunk driver. That would explain the shattered glass but it didn't explain the blood. Anna screamed as she pointed to. Jennifer's left arm. It was hanging from her body by a thin patch of skin and it was no accident as the young women were driving. A man had pulled up a side them in his car and fired. The shotgun blast had disintegrated most of the bone in Jennifer's arm as the reality of the situation sunk in Anna started pleading for Jennifer to drive to leave but Jennifer one armed and horrified. Couldn't she was still processing. Anna pulled out her phone and dialed nine. One one neither girl noticed the man pull up behind them. Thirty one year old Eric Parnell. A complete stranger was at the driver's side window. He asked if the two women were okay but Anna just started screaming without a word. He pulled the trigger on his twenty eight gauge shotgun for the second time the bullet went through. Anna's left temple in the blink of an eye. She was dead. Parnell then dragged Jennifer from the car and threw her in his vehicle as they sped down the road. Jennifer saw that. The floor of Parnell's car was littered with guns. She also quickly realized that Eric Parnell was out of his mind. His temperament related between violent and lighthearted one second he'd be violently angry the next he'd be Giggling as he drove ninety miles per hour into the darkness of backwoods Texas. He pulled onto an unlit back road off the Highway Angelina County twenty miles away from the nearest town. There were no lights and no witnesses. Parnell then proceeded to drag Jennifer of the car strip her naked torture her and Raipur but afterward everything stopped something changed. Parnell became confused and started to cry. It was as if he'd forgotten everything that had just happened. None of this made sense but Jennifer saw an opportunity despite her own disorientation from blood loss. Jennifer started to show Parnell gratitude. She rubbed his shoulders kissed his neck. She thanked him for what just happened. She told him about her six year. Old and being a single mother asked him if he had any one that he loved she even told him she would marry him and soon they returned to the car. Parnell suddenly seemed to notice Jennifer's arm. He asked her what happened but when he did. She told him a new story. A gunman named John Shot her and left her to die. Parnell had saved her. He was her hero and he was about to take her to his house to call nine one. One parnell was sent but agreed as they drove in the direction of his house. All Jennifer could think about was what happens if his memory returns parnell lived in a trailer next to a graveyard once inside Jennifer borrowed clothes. She tied a tourniquet around her arm and asked for a phone. After some convincing Parnell read but only on one condition. No cops one ambulance. Jennifer accepted his terms in under an hour against all odds. Jennifer was being rushed to the hospital and Parnell was in handcuffs. Coming up. Parnell is sentenced to two consecutive life sentences. So I've been playing this exciting mobile puzzle game called best beans. I've been playing for almost a year now and I'm up to level three hundred thirty one. Of course I didn't do all that myself. My kids love to play best beans to I like to play because it requires strategy while the game is casual. I find the puzzles challenging and fun so I try to find time to play every day. I like the bright colors and visual design of the game and the characters are super adorable. Best fiends treats the game like a service so there are new levels challenges and events every month the best part you don't even the Internet connection to play. Don't miss out try it for yourself and see if you can beat me so engage your brain with fun puzzles and collect tons of cute characters. Trust me with over one hundred million downloads. This five star rated mobile puzzle game is a must play download best fiends free on the apple APP store or Google play. That's friends without the our best beans now. Back to the story in May of two thousand five Jennifer Holliday was able to fast talk her way out of a situation straight out of a horror film in the early hours of the morning. A complete stranger shot and killed her cousin then abducted tortured and raped her today. Jennifer has a tremendous amount of gratitude for the dispatcher. That answered her nine one. One call the to have even met the operator's name is Stephanie. Davidson when Jennifer was I connected to the emergency hotline. Parnell was standing right beside her Davidson. Following procedure. Asked what the emergency was. Jennifer responded somebody shot me and this man here helped me on the side of the road. My arm is in half right now. Please hurry. Jennifer then overheard the operator Tele Co worker about a second gunshot victim meaning. The police had found her cousins body. Jennifer quickly repeated the words. It's the same one. It's the same one. It's the same one. Thankfully Jennifer's hidden message was received in that moment. Davidson understood that the man Jennifer was with was the man that killed Anna Franklin so in addition to sending an ambulance she sent a Swat team as it turned out. Police had already been searching the woods looking for Jennifer despite. No words being exchanged. Anna's original nine one one call lead them to the original crime scene as it turned out. Anna helped save Jennifer's life Davidson stayed with Jennifer on the phone until help arrived telling her to just hold on she even spoke to Parnell to ensure there was no escalation when asked how Jennifer was. Doing Parnell responded. She acts completely okay but I know she scared out of her wits so am I. I'm the one that picked her up and I'm scared to death because I got blood from head to toe. If you listen to the recording you can hear Parnell believing his own delusions. He had mixed alcohol and the anxiety drug xanax. That night in fact he'd been kicked out of a bar right before encountering the girls to date. Parnell has had no explanation for why he did what he did but admits that there's no excuse for his actions in December of two thousand six. He pleaded guilty and was sentenced to two consecutive life. Sentences with no chance of parole one of the hardest things for Jennifer is knowing that Anna didn't need to lose her life. If that bar had called the police instead of letting parnell drive away they would have learned. There was already a warrant out for his arrest. He had a record of domestic abuse. And a history of driving under the influence. The Jennifer has been fearless about telling her story. She hopes it can be an example of what can happen when criminals are allowed to walk free unfortunately in addition to her mental trauma. She has a twenty inch scar and thirty seven shotgun pellets still lodged in her arm shoulder and chest. She's lost all fine motor skills in her left arm. Because of the injuries she suffered. Jennifer could no longer work as an EMT. She was left unemployed with only a monthly check for nine hundred dollars from social security to support herself and her son and that nine hundred dollars pushed her just over the threshold to qualify for indigent care in her county in order to receive any medical treatment at all. She needed to drive hours to account with fewer barriers to care and yet she still holds onto. Hope that things will be okay. She says God will give me peace. One day I know he will as for Parnell. Her last words to him in court were as follows. You will spend eternity in hell for what you did. I know that thanks for listening to in true crime. I'm Vanessa Richardson. If you enjoyed this episode checkout podcast original hostage where we tell electrifying true crime stories involving life or death negotiations. Today in true crime was created by Max Cutler. And his a podcast studios original executive produced by Max Cutler Sound designed by Mike Ramos with production assistance by Ron Shapiro. Carly Madden and Aaron Larson. This episode of today and true crime was written by Connor Samson with writing assistance by Nora. Patel. I'm Vanessa Richardson.

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Good Morning Niner Empire 10/14/2020

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"Are you hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes set up screener questions than zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today at indeed dot com slash podcast. That's indeed dot com slash podcast. This story of two brothers one hero and the other a monster. A serial killer in a national park is a story. But there more to this story because a serial killer whose brother had been a national celebrity seven long years ago, a youngster in California vanished today. He showed up with another boy hero Timothy white. He literally said I was not going to let that child go through what I already been through books television movies. It was absolutely incredible. The moment that Stephen Steiner's Upton is the moment that is story really is going to be a homecoming. You would imagine cheered joy that the entire family would be ecstatic. But one member is not so throw. He was cold hateful vicious vicious killer. But he's even more twisted than that. We have recovered two bodies, you could never unmatched in something so heinous happening in and around Yosemite. I mean, this is a story that decades later they're still talking about. Maybe just maybe we're going to find this girl alive. He was he was warm like a big teddy bear, his friend. It is frightening just to think what he was thinking. This is Yosemite. These things don't happen in seventy you. Somebody actually means the people who kill. Blackett tonight with me. So much terror to happen such a beautiful place. The story starts in California. It's in the middle of nowhere surrounded by almond groves and peach orchards. It's a small farming town in the central valley of California, which is in the huge shadow of Yosemite. Moore said they they call the gateway to Yosemite. We're talking nineteen seventy two American pie was on the radio. Watergate. You're the palm was introduced. The Brady bunch. The stain lived on Betty street. It was a middle class kind of a neighborhood parents were Delaware. And k and Kerry was the oldest of five children, yet younger brother, Stephen and three sisters to Dell worked as a mechanic in a peach tannery. His mother k was was always described as distant somewhat aloof woman who raised her children with sort of. Almost a coldness. Carey was a nice guy. He was kind of a quiet guy days would be just getting a bikes in the morning and go to the park hang out with friends or skateboard. Teamed loved his brother hung out with him played with them looked out for him. Stephen had walked almost all the way home. That's when it happened a man and a car offered him a ride. So the same time that the standard boys are growing up and were said two hours away and Yosemite. There's a little stooped pasty never. She guy named Ken Parnell. Kenneth Parnell was working at the semi lodge doing the books for them. He was convicted previously of molesting a child. We found a job in Yosemite because that kind of guy could find a job in Yosemite. A lot of people run to Yosemite to get away from things. And Kenneth decided that he was going to adopt a young boy, he was able to recruit co worker of his a slow witted, fella and Ervin Murphy. And finally on December fourth it was sleeting wintery day in Irvine Murphy got into kens big white, Buick and drove into Mersad. Stephen what happened that afternoon. Do you? Remember when you were walking home from school, and they saw this little boy seven year old Stephen Steiner, even had left school headed straight south from here, four blocks. And when he was on Yosemite Parkway, which leads to Yosemite national park key was approached by an urban Murphy Murphy had some religious tracts with him which he'd been using to approach of their kids. Kiosks Stephen if he thought that his mother would be willing to make a charitable donation to church at that point Parnell drove up in this old white Buick Murphy opened the rear door Stephen got in. Instead of taking a right? So he could go to his home. They continued directly eastbound. They're driving out of her said going up highway one forty. Kenneth Parnell stops the car, and it goes to a payphone. He comes back and tells Stephen your parents, I just spoke to them. They no longer want. You then told him that you're going to be my son. He was a seven year old thoroughly confused kid. I think that he has probably used to an authoritative approach by his parents. So when Parnell pulled him that parents had said that he was going to go with him. I think he probably believed it. Stevens abduction, was Sutton wrenching. Brutal. And yet he's going to be hiding in plain sight for years. The moment that Stephen Steiner's abducted is the moment that this story of two brothers, really begins and was absolutely pivotal. In terms of the monster come into life. Some report nineteen seventy-two. Stephen stay near was a -ducted on highway one forty in the city of Mercedes by individuals driving older model white Buick. And they're driving eastwards enmity. Lives most of his life in your semi at the lodge. He kept Stephen in his room for about a week after that the kept giving him this officer the sedate him. I think that Carnell out that the more confused and sedated that he could keep Stephen in for the first several weeks better chance. She stood to race is connection back to his own family. When Steven didn't make it home from school. His parents immediately were alerted. Mercedes' elite grace department, and so they really mounted a large effort to search, and they searched and there was just nothing there. It happened here at this corner. And it was such a classic situation. The kind against which parents are constantly warning children the next morning. They was an empty desk in the second grade class at Charles right school. When he was missing it rocked the Steiner family it hurt the family dynamic and it crushed del Stander. Just becomes a broken, man. Really K becomes even more distant more Loof. She sort of raising children almost robotically. Dilbert became colder to their other children. Jerry's very upset. I heard stories about him going out and wishing to start his brother would come home. Maybe he had some guilt because I believe he was supposed to have been with his brother Gilbert, kind of saw Stephen as his real son and carry kind of felt abandoned neglected. A few weeks after kidnap Stephen Parnell pulled up stakes and he started drifting around California, they moved I Santa Rosa. They would stay and fleabag motels the crappy trailer or broken down house, Stephen Steiner headed new father figure, and it was kind of part out who by day was his father and by night was his rapist. Parnell told him that his name was going to be Dennis par now, and he enrolled named school and the school they to get the records those were the days where you get a copy of a record. You know, there's no Email. In the summer of nineteen seventy six just a couple of weeks before the vice intentional. It's been four years. Since Stephen was told Ken part Alice's father, Alan Stephen ended up in a little town of comp she California, which is in Mendocino county. Contres really tiny. It had maybe a post office and general store. And he kept him on the grounds in frailer. So this is were can Parnelli is to live many years ago. It's a good place to hide it's a long ways from anywhere out here. Nobody knew what was going on behind closed doors, and this wasn't a father son at all. By this time. I'm pretty certain that Parnell fout I've got him emotionally locked in. So he knew that this kid was going nowhere. From all outward appearances he'd adjusted to that life. There's a school out there. So every day again a bus and ride for thirty minutes. This pitcher fish describes what he looked like his personality. His hairdo his flannel shirt, his smile. My name is Laurie and Stephen Steiner was my boyfriend in school. The great personality. He was spunky. You could see that he wanted to play and be with kids and be normal. Rowing up with him consisted of a lot of fishing reading price at goals. Sort of reminded me of shaggy from Scooby doo. He had the same haircut same shape face even he made his way into getting into athletics. His freshman year of high school, he had a level of maturity to them that most of the kids didn't have. And I think part of that was already smoking cigarettes a lot of kids have freedom, but not his kind of come and go as he pleased, which makes me wonder why didn't he just leave? The answer is that Stephen now has attached depar- Nell on some parental level. And that's still his dependency Dana day out for food clothing. And let's face. It sounds like Cornell, basically, let him do whatever he wanted to do as far as drugs alcohol, and so his comfort level now is set in because of the sexual abuse. I think that played into two he knew that that wasn't normal. I don't think he wanted to have other people know about it in some ways. What's his these here to go along with what was happening to him? Stephen still has a reality that he has a real family someplace else. We were walking home any starting crying. He's eight. I want to go home to my real home. We just let it go. We have been drinking some beer and Hinault kids. While Stephen is a freshman at Mendocino high school, some three hundred miles to the south. His brother Kerry was an upperclassman Knepper said high school he was carry standard the kid who had his brother kidnapped. There was a pall over him. He actually was voted most creative. Carey was very well known for his drawings. I think that he was very very good cartoonist, especially with with humor. The always or had every time you'd see him. He was wearing the hat because he was compulsively pulling his hair out emotionally carry had a tough time during his childhood. I don't remember Carrie ever having a girlfriend. I never saw him with a girl. Jerry started acting wildly inappropriately towards females exposed himself to one of his sisters friends. It seemed as though he had a compulsion with trying to get close to women or be sexual with them. But he was unable to develop any sort of interpersonal relationships with any women. There's a surreal contrast in this. You have one brother who's been subjected to just unspeakable horror for years, but by all appearances, he's a happy. Go lucky jovial kid with a girlfriend. You have the other brother who's left at home? And it wasn't that. He was just a loner. He was a bit of a creepy loner. Nineteen Seventy-nine Stevens. Now, fourteen he's been with Parnell for seven years and Parnell then moves him to a very new remote location, then he can sort of in his mind. Stay one step in front of law enforcement. Ken parr? Now, take Steven to this small little town called Manchester along the coast of northern California. Looking for another preview Bessette boy, Stephen knew what was going to happen. And Stephen knew that was wrong. Can he was gonna end that what Stephen would do? In response would make him world famous. Is it still a struggle to get that good night's sleep? Then maybe it's time to try the purple mattress. It's made out of a new material that makes it firm and soft. So it keeps everything supported while. Still feeling really comfortable. Try it now with a one hundred night risk-free trial along with free shipping and returns. And if you order one, you'll get a free purple pillow with the purchase of mattress just text twenty twenty two four seven four seven four seven the only way to get this free pillow is detects twenty twenty two four seven four seven four seven. Message and data rates may apply when it comes to hiring. You don't have time to waste you need help getting to your shortlist of qualified candidates fast. That's why you need indeed dot com. Get started today at indeed dot com slash podcast. That's indeed dot com slash podcast. Nineteen seventy nine Ken Parnell pulled up six again. And he moved with Stephen to a small cabin in Manchester, California, which is in the middle of nowhere surrounded by almost nothing. This is for Ken and for Stephen turning point, a one room shack, very old and cold. At some point Parnell and Stephen together realized that Stephen was growing, and that he was no longer going to be able to be controlled by Parnell par now wanted another kid. So in February of nineteen eighty Ken now goes back to the exact same MO that he used to get Stephen standard. He paid a local kid too with them. So little time. If you buy a California puts his high school kid out on the street to go. Find him. Oh boy. And he finds five year old Timothy white walking home from school, Stephen watch, TIMMY, supper through this separation from his family for two weeks and decided finally that he had to do something about he literally said, I was not going to let that child go through what I already been through. And if I didn't take care of it now, it would just get worse. Eventually Stephen got the courage to take TIMMY white out of that house. And when Kenneth Parnell went to work. The to hitchhike to to the town of Yukio it's dark and TIMMY can't remember where he lived. So Stephen figures the best thing to do is to take them to the police station. Keep in mind Steve stain or was known as Dennis for seven long years when he arrives at that police station. He says something that will be embedded in the public consciousness for ever. I know my first name is Steven. Title of a book, it became a television movie, and it made Stephen famous seven long years ago. Youngster in California vanished was dead at this point in rescued. Another boy Stephen today. He's holding five year old Timothy white could make this up every television network every magazine cover every movie executive that wasn't anyone not interest. Stephen was national hero. Returns to said triumphant. Stevens return has been a joyous event within days. He's on good Morning America. Good morning, Stephen, and Mr. and MRs Steiner, Stephen how's it feel be home? His great. Did you remember your parents? Well. Then change that much. I recognize them. When I got the Carr brothers and sisters changed a lot. I'd never recognize either one of Mr.. How did this affect your other four children when Steve disappeared the older two were very upset? And I think kind of became very quiet children from the experience. There's a press conference outside the Steiner house and Betty street and everyone's smiling. There's a lot of jubilation this is really some sort of a miracle. Stevens come home. But if you look in the background, there's there's something worth noting and it's carry and his baseball cap and he's not smiling at all. Carey as the older brother had a very strange relationship down with his younger brother, Stephen who was getting all of this attention, and who was a different person. In the television movie. There's a scene where he's finally reunited with his brother care. Carrie comes in on looking almost like shaggy-haired surfer. And he's jubilant these real deceased, brother. There's nothing to suggest to carry all that thrilled to see his brother. They shared a room. They didn't get along. Steven didn't understand the wolves that he was now expected to live by these years been like for you Justin getting over the seven years you will from home for seven years. I'd been supposedly an only child now I had to compete with a brother and three sisters away for seven years in a lot of people still wonder why you didn't try to escape before you finally did escape three years ago. When you look back on that. Why do you think that has to even this this reasons, I was told I was adopted? He believed is believed that came what about for you. How do you think it's been for Stephen? I think he's done fantastic. Very proud of the way us. Kind of joined right in with the rest of us. And he doesn't give us any problems. I tried to explain to her that they might consider, you know, some professional counseling, and she told me that she didn't believe that that was going to be necessary. The adults thoughts even as a hero. But none of the adults had to go to high school generally known that there was homosexual activity involved in Stevens abduction, Stephen was constantly being made fun of when he came back, which is really sad because the poor guys just into all these seven years of of you know, being molested and and everything else his sexuality was constantly under attack. There's a scene in the movie in a locker room for you. Being around. Those naked guys where Stephen leases strong enough to fight back. The bullying was just on ending. Well, Stephen already has these two sides buffeting the adults as a hero in the kids who are just picking on mercilessly. He's gotta deal with Parnell as well. There is sitting in the courtroom. And he's got a point at Ken Parnell. Ultimately, Kenneth Parnell did face charges of kidnapping and false imprisonment. But he was never tried for sexual assault. In this case in the end. There was not sufficient evidence to prove those charges. Outrageous. There was out fury of the sense angry that he will be back out on the street. I thought laws to protect the innocent children. It's not because he will be out. He possibly we'll do it again, quite probably come Parnell when back to what he'd been doing for years. He found someone else to help them find another boy only this time he was caught and he was sent to prison again where he died in two thousand eight. While Steven was kind of struggling own life after his return. Carey was at high school and having zone troubles. I think curiouser high highschool seemed a little loss like you didn't know where he was going when his life was starting to spin out of control key took refuge in Yosemite. He had this international scout pale blue, and he would just drive out. We one forty year seventy disappear up into the woods and get high. Whatever demons Claremont around in his head by being naked by smoking hot. He could find the peace that he so desperately needed. One of the things that made a huge impact on him. Was he was convinced that he saw big foot? Any opportunity that carry got he couldn't wait to tell people about driving through an area known as for rest of and Bigfoot leaping out of the woods in the dark of night. It turns out that this incredibly deep obsession with Bigfoot is ultimately going to have incredibly hatchet consequences. This sanctuary would turn out to be the very setting where carry stain murderous. Demons would be unleashed. Hundred eighty nine state of family had fallen for spotlight. The world had moved on the Berlin Wall fell. There's a big earthquake during the World Series and San Francisco, but the Stater brothers were struggling each of them both in their own ways. Stephen celebrity was pretty short lived. He did make some money for consulting on the TV film actually had a bit part is one of the police officers. Rescuing himself. He blew almost all of that money on cars and drugs and booze de work, some menial jobs. He got married they had two kids. He was very proud of who he was when he told me he was not ashamed at all. He was just very well grounded. You know for for a person that had gone through what he went through. But then at the age of twenty four he was riding a motorcycle without a license. He was riding home from work and a vineyard worker out in front of them. Hit him in flipped them. You just have to feel like this poor man was dealt such a horrific hand of cards in life and in death. Stephen really did the best that he could for seven years. He subjected, unspeakable, horrors. He did work for a living. He did fall in love. He did have two kids. I see them as being on a good path. And that's how I prefer to think of him. You know? It's as dear Lori. Hi, how's everything in comp? She good. I hope wall wall. Wa he's still he's that. It's not everybody that gets a letter from a famous person, namely me love, always Steve. So I share these letters. Ever. Stephen was gone now. But in a big sense. So was Kerry Kerry had no direction he thought his life was going nowhere Kerry never recovered from his own emotional difficulties. And then coupled with Stevens tragic death. Not long after Stephen died carries ankle was shot and killed in the home. They shared together. Carry was very close to his uncle. Stevens dead uncle Jerry's murdered. This is starting to bubble up. Kerry has a couple of nervous breakdowns. One was fairly violent stated that he felt like jumping in the truck driving through the shop and killing the boss and killing everybody in the office, and then torching the place. And that's when I told him you need to go see a doctor. They got him to a mental health center, but be left. Carey is literally crying out for help. He's literally saying, I'm losing my mind. What a lot of people didn't know at the time. Was that Kerry was having these streams these fantasies about killing women? Carey was a lost soul. And he ended up taking refuge in a place that he loved and that was you'll seventy in the fall in ninety seven and he drove is international scout to the tiny town of El Porto, which is the doorstep to Yosemite national park, but his time carries in his thirties. And he lands job as a handyman at the cedar lodge. The cedar lodge is this rustic module seven miles outside the gate of Yosemite. It is surrounded by and filled with these wonderful wooden bear sculptures, working at the cedar lives gave Kerry access to his beloved Yosemite. The his idea of serenity was to maybe smoke a little pot and to Sunday. Thank it. He was always naked. No, tan lines on him. I hung up the river with him a lot of times alone. He never hit on me. And I know he never had any of my friends. Never but uncomfortable come on never anything like that. Not even the hint of it. Not everyone at cedar lodge was was in the Devon. There's woman named Trish outs. She and her husband ran the restaurant that was attached to lodge. They had a teenage daughter Carrie spin an uncomfortable amount of time with my gotta would start freaking out. 'cause he would just stand there and stare at my child as she swimming in the pool, and I said, you go towards my daughter ever, and I will destroy you. He was closed. Hateful said I'd tell with clothing, April people Trish was in some sort of a savant. She seems to be the only one who saw the side of Kerry. By February nineteen ninety nine Kerry had been at the cedar lodge about two years and the winters were very desolate. Not a lot of tourists. Visit the park that time of year winner is a spectacle when the granite is iced in beautiful, white snow. You really get to understand. How extraordinarily walls are. Among the small group of people who did come to the cedar lodge to go see Yosemite. It was Carol Sund. Her daughter, Julie sixteen and their friend named Silvino Peluso. The three of them are on a trip to full look at colleges. And then also to enjoy you'll some. Red Pontiac that they had rented for this trip. This was an opportunity for them to show Silvino who was visiting from Argentina one of the most beautiful places on earth. And they spent the day touring the park going to a lot of the highlights. They went ice skating. That night. Most of the other guests had actually gone home and their room was about as far as you can get from the lobby and the restaurant in a dark corner of the lot. The dinner at the restaurant, then they went to the front desk. Got a movie they're going to go watch back in their room, all this rage that have been building up in carry all of these years. He find sides it's going to act upon it. Great car five hundred alight self. Curtains of concede inside. For Kerry, he's been planning this for years. There's a fantasy that he's created as mind, and this is the night. When all this rage is finally let loose. Something clicks. And at that moment carry state or knows it's time. Carey had been looking for victims at night, eventually spied Carol in girls through the window of their room and decided to knock on their door. Upstairs, Carol answers, and he says to her I need to come in to look for the leak, and she said, absolutely not girls are under pajamas. They're watching jerem Maguire on the VCR. What can I do for you? She'll meet money. They're done for the day. Persists says to move to a different room. If the league goes on. Fan actually probably with. Car. He takes Carol's daughter, Julie, and her friend, Sylvia, Peluso and herds them into the bathroom. Then he ties up Carol with duct tape and then strangles her with at length of rope. And when he was done he bundled her up and put her in the trunk of a Pontiac that she'd rented that was outside the hotel room door. Came back in and pull the girls out of the bathroom and sexually assaulted them. So vino resisted, she was hysterical. He brought her into the bathroom and strangled her. So he takes Julie puts her into the bathroom in room five ten next door. He then take Sylvia's body puts her in the trunk along with Carol sun returns to get Julie. Pretty late. Probably five clock yourself. Until. To go. The car brands are to confirm. Drove I know where I was going. To do. The next time carry Steiner's scene is one hundred miles away in Sierra village when he uses a payphone to call a cab to get back to cedar lodge. He said that he had come down from his semi with some other people. And if they left them there stranded him with no way back. As we were perching somebody valley that he would show me the cabin to where he saw big foot, and he pointed off to a ways back. She could see there was a cabin. And he said that Bigfoot came out round around the side of the cabin and into the trees. Leaving your semi the plan was for Carol Julie and Selena to meet Carol's husband yen's, son at the San Francisco airport. Well, the girls didn't show up at the airport. We started calling the sheriff of the police. I mean, we're scared. We thought that they were crashed somewhere that was snow up there. There's icy roads. As each day went by. And there was no trace of these three women it became a larger and larger story, very mysterious story. Three people have disappeared at Yosemite national park in California. I remember distinctly sitting in the newsroom when the word came that there were three women missing from Yosemite. The very last thing that you think of at first is that foul play occurred. These things don't happen semi the week of Carol Julie, and she'll Vinas disappearance from L Patel. I had been approached because I was a kidnapping coordinator in my office. Ten days of combing the outskirts of Yosemite where the trio had been visiting. There are no new leads. This is the largest search that has ever been mounted in Yosemite at anytime. It included going up and down the rows looking for places where the car could have gone off. I'm just devastated. I don't I can't imagine how three people in red car disappear when covering it you really empathizing with the families. We're now posters doing everything possible and pain that you could feel from the sun family and the Pelos owes who had come from Argentina people heading America to help. We went up to L Patel to deceit or lives. And we started doing our interviews. One of the people they interviewed was this helpful handyman name Kerry Steiner he was not at all flustered. He just didn't set off any alarm bells haven told them the story about Steven at one point. He even was opening all the rooms for the FBI together evidence. Tonight a desperately needed break in a month. Long. Search for those three missing visitors to Yosemite. About a month after the disappearance of Carroll joins Savina. There was a big break in the case because California Highway Patrol officer reported the location of the missing rented vehicle. This is about sixty seventy miles from the cedar lodge. Twenty years ago. I was a member of the evidence response team. This looked a lot different. But behind me is where the vehicle was located. This is nineteen ninety nine Pontiac grand prix. But it was so completely burn. There were no paint rubber plastic upholstery. The initial expection of vehicle we knew we had two bodies based on the remains that were still in a truck. So there's not much left. There was no way for us to identify who's in that truck. The forest where the car was found is just a short walk to Sierra village where Carey made the phone call to get the cab back to you. Seventy evidence was found throwing free from the car that didn't burn the car keys some shoes personal CD player. But most importantly, there was a camera found a crucial piece of evidence. We get the pictures back, and we have Julie and Savina doing handstands in the room. We see all their pictures that they took going through Yosemite, and this is picture of Soviet and Carol sitting in the far bed. We came to learn that this picture was taken about twenty minutes before Carey's, dander knocked on their door. So you look at these pictures of these wonderful vivacious people, and you just wanna go home and your family because it's too late for them. We have recovered two bodies from the trunk of the vehicle. No identification has been made. When the discovery of the bodies in the burned out vehicle or made. I wouldn't say it affected the community. I would say that affected the nation. Two bodies have been found. But there are still many unanswered questions. This was an enormous story a huge huge story and twenty twenty decided to do an hour on it, my producer, John Meyerson, and I was straight out to Yosemite to cover it. We had an interview with Selena's mother, and she was the picture of despair in grief. I knew from the beginning that. Might go with. How? I just felt her mother's intuition was sadly, correct. It was Selena in the trunk of that car Silvino along with Carole Sund for other feel. Feel terrible. I'm suppose that I. When they realized it was Silvino, Carol. Then the big mystery was where's Julie? What are you hoping that Julius still alive Cobra against hopes that they've got her somewhere so real there's a third victim out there that may still be alive send us into a frenzy and my mind went to oh my God. She's out there. She's being held prisoner. Something terrible's being done to her. In the middle of all this frantic searching arrives this letter two days with a Tom tting tantalizing clue with a crude map that may finally solve the mystery of what happened to Jews on. Maybe just maybe we're gonna find this girl alive. The mother and daughter were found dead after disappearing from Yosemite national park. I mean, this is a story that deputies later they're still talking about it. This was an enormous story a huge huge story. What in the heck are we dealing with here? This is an absolute tragic story of two brothers one hero and victim. The other a monster. The story of Stephen Steiner, and the story of Kerry Steiner are going to intersect again in a way, no one could event. Pated Stephen stain or as a seven year old boy who gets plucked off the streets walking home from school by a pedophile piece. How cap it for seven years miraculously escapes, but it'd be. I know my first name is. But it turns out the monsters weren't calm Kerry. Steiner was very close by all raids that have been building up and carry he finally decides it's going to act upon right there right there, curious Sanders, vicious vicious killer. He's even more twisted than that. And they're about to find out just how. So it's winter merges into spring. The entire valley just seems to come to life. Everything turns green again. It's a completely different feeling. It's March nineteen ninety nine and this spring is different because there is a hell publ fear in Yosemite park. Mysterious story. Three people have disappeared lathi near the Yosemite valley trail had been visiting in February Carol Sund and her daughter Julie in their teenage friends so Vena Pelosi had gone missing from the cedar lodge. I can't imagine how three people that car despair. This doesn't happen in the national marks. There was sense of panic originally here. Even the Milkis stopped coming in. You can't overstate the sense of fear there. Everybody was afraid. Everybody wanted to know what had happened. But there's still no sign of the bodies for about a month until a hiker stumbled across on the act recovered two bodies from the trunk and a vehicle when the FBI announced that only two bodies had been found that stumped. Everybody urge anyone with information to immediately call the FBI tip line when they realized it was Silvino, Carol. Then the big mystery was where's Julie? Investigators in California continue searching for the third of three women who disappeared from you semi national park. Two bodies have been found. But there are still many unanswered questions for about a week searchers combed the countryside. The roads the ditches the rivers everywhere near that car. But no, truly oh my God. She's out there. She's being held prisoner. Something terrible's being done to her in late March, the at the I got another big clue significant potentially viable leads. This one came in the mail. And when the letter was opened you see a line to paper. And on the top. It says we had fun with this one. Clued map and the map shows one twenty it shows vista point shows Peter reservoir, and it's about forty miles away from where the car was found. They bring up cadaver dog and within ten seconds of going to where this map points out. They find Julie's body earlier this afternoon investigators discovered the body of a homicide victims fifteen year old Julie sun was dente fide earlier in the winning saw where duly son. Took her last breath the gravity of the story, really hit home. Just to think of her being alone away from from her, mom and Silvino. And wondering what happened is terrible. Francis was also for you, the hardest part. That was the end of you know, any hope. Told the family that won't stop until we find out what happened until we've resolves. Does he move into the summer of nineteen ninety nine? Yosemite is getting back to normal. The tourists are coming back. And now five months have passed. There has been no more murder the sense around. You'll somebody was that it was safe. It was safe because the people that will responsible for this horrific crime. According to the FBI were in custody when they made the announcement that we have the Keller's they believe they have the killers in custody. Huge absolutely huge. We do not believe that there is anyone else there on the loose. Who is not in custody. These two men were half brothers. They had criminal records they were violent offenders. So there's a sense of relief that hey, we got these guys. Everything's okay with the FBI's assurance relatives sense closure is near once. They went down that road. It seemed like they just had tunnel vision. And they weren't looking at anything else. People may have thought the right people in custody certainly wanted to believe the right people in custody. Curious Janna was still working here at the lodge? He was still living here on the premises. He was still an active member of the community. He was not an unknown quantity. I'll say that people knew who it was. Not someone who hid. Didn't really see him as a suspect. He didn't raise alarm bell. Stater was free. He had gotten away with triple. On the more westerly aspect of the park is a little area called Fereshta. You can look down and see this gorgeous meadows called big meadow. For good reason and down in that meadow was an old house this called the green cabin. It's owned by the park service's leased out for dollar a year to the assembly institute which runs educational programs. The park living there in the summer of nineteen ninety nine a twenty six year old woman named Joey Armstrong. Hughes really kind. She was sensitive. She was loving. She was generous. She was smart. Joey was a naturalist at Yosemite. Her job was to take children and teach them the nature of Yosemite. I asked her if she was ever afraid she said, no, we knew they had suspects in custody. She memorialized it. In her diary at one point even wrote, the monsters are gone, meaning the FBI had gotten the people who did this and they were behind bars. But it turns out the monsters work on Kerry's Steiner was very close by. Actually a road that connects from where the cedar lodges into you'll semi at the back row that very few people know about the end of the road is where Joey Armstrong was living. And that's the road that carries Steiner took that day. Drove his international baby blues got up to arresthe. Where'd seeing Bigfoot went up there with some regularity? He had gotten out of his truck. And he was looking around. He wasn't out hunting for anybody. But an opportunity presented itself. Now, Kerry standard is down here in this area. He sees of at the green cabin this petite blonde, girl. It's almost the weekend and always very excited to Scott, a trip planned to meet some friends, she's just going in and out of her house packing per truck. Getting ready to leave her Toyota, Tacoma, his par tear. The back had is open then approaches her as she's putting things in and out of her truck just wonder if the randomness if at all what if she was in the cabinet what if she'd packed up a half hour earlier, what if she left it turned out to be they situation where evil truly meets opportunity. After notion walkout again kit. He comes closer. And has he comes closer? She is what he thinks he wants something instantly changes with Kerry Stater. And he's ready to kill again. Just like in the first murders goes back to his truck. And he gets his Mervyn King. He gets out his backpack. He's got a gun. He's God duct tape. He's got a knife. He standing somewhere in this vicinity, and he's talking to her and he's making conversation guy who big strong athletic as movie star white teeth. They would just been like a little oddity. But as he's talking to her about Bigfoot, he's trying to look behind her over shoulders even in the house and then pretty quickly. It would have gone to flat out terror. She trial down before. Inside. He uses the gun to direct her to the back of the house and into this rear bedroom. He starts finding her with the duct tape that he's brought in his kit. She fights with everything she has he barely was able to overcome her. She was very strong. And I don't mean just a strong woman in the sense of motionlessly strong that she was physically strong. This was supposed to be easy for carry. This was his fantasy was nobody's supposed to fight back. Then she did. She's totally controlled. And then he takes her and guide, sir. Here picked up and tossed with vaccine and driving away. The first line. Joey Ruth Armstrong was in trouble was when she didn't meet up with a friend in Marin county on Wednesday when Joey doesn't show up. Obviously, her friends are bewildered and they're frightened. Absolutely freaked out. Her friends called you somebody. And now the search was on for joy Armstrong. Doc received a page, and I called in and they asked if I was valuable for search. We're covering number leads that are not confined to the park. That's about all I can tell you this point. As they came in and looked they could not find her and they also found the Bree on the floor of the cabin. They found broken sunglasses. They found a red mechanics RAB. They were very concerned just looking for anything that doesn't fit and then a few feet down the stream. I noticed what I thought was an inanimate object kind of bobbing in the water. I went over and. Saw that it was a person. To their shock and dismay. They saw that her head had been removed. This was just as grisliest seen as you could possibly imagine. It was incredible and horrible. What had happened to joy Armstrong? You know in your own personal life. You have said many times before I can't imagine the pain of losing child. You don't believe it's you you don't believe it's her. Going. No, no carry Steiner left behind a load of evidence. And he knew it unlike the first three murders where he left for Charlie no evidence. He knew that he had left a very easy trail for investigators. About two hours north of Yosemite is a nudist colony which turned out to be the key to the whole thing is about to happen. And during that car ride, the story of Stephen Steiner, and the story of Kerry Steiner are going to intersect again, in a way, no one could event -ticipant it. Liberal del sole is like any other resort accept people close on there's camping, and there's some cabins, and there's some shuffleboard and volleyball. There's a restaurant a bar Dart's league. I'm tell people go to Guna del sole from all over the country. I don't think you're trying to hide if you're going to do this colony, and it's the last place that carries Steiner would be a free man, you semi park naturalist was found decapitated the twenty six year old's body was found Thursday near her Yosemite home. Joy Armstrong's martyr sent shockwaves through Yosemite valley. Here was another murder. In the Yosemite area. And this time it was actually in the park. This is the second high profile murder case connected to Yosemite. This year three tours disappeared from the L Portel area in February. And we're later found dead people. Didn't know what the where they connected were. They not connected if they work connected than what's happening. I called some of the investigators to ask do you think they're related, and it was a resounding. No, absolutely, no reason to believe no indication that there is any linkage at all you don't want to cause undue Penick. You don't want to cause undue concern. Until you know. The facts got sixty teams going out. There wasn't really much time for us to speculate on whether this was related I mean it quickly became related. Somebody had spotted a very unique vehicle blue and white international scout the same vehicle that carries stained her drove. On the same road where Joey lived around the same time that she was murdered. And that was the first thing that thirties. Followed up on. The tracks of the vehicle that drove away from Joey's house, let very clear traps near able to get very clear pictures, and then they started looking for this guy carry Steiner because he would be a natural witness to interview. Seaming having much, and so many came in and said, they're looking for Kerry Steiner, and I said, and he's really now starting to feel that noose tighten around his neck now carry Stater realizes. He has to get out. He packs up and leaves and ends up driving to that nudist colony Laguna del sole. He pitched a tent outside. When in there's a bar and restaurant, and he was socializing with people inside and struck up a conversation with a woman there things not so well now, I've decided to pack up my stuff in fact, and I'm headed north. They hit put the bolo been lookout for on the news. And so going out to people looking for Kerry Steiner authorities set off a manhunt for him yesterday. And it just so happens. The woman he struck the conversation with saw the news. I immediately picked up the phone call FBI and told him that I knew what is person was. That morning FBI agent. Jeff Ryan is call. He's supposed to meet up with a couple of other agents at Laguna del sole right away. So is driving and for seeding down near the next train of thought plays. Oh my God. We're going to a new this colony for me. I knew this colony. Means Peter Sellars shot in the dark guy walking across the screen with the tar over his genitals. Nudist colony is that a place I ever thought it would be career. The magic came out and said, Yep. He's inside sitting at the corner booth and you'll be able to find him because he's the only one wearing cleanse. God here parts, and as they walk into the restaurant area. Standard gets up and puts his hands up. Athletic. He's tall. He is pants on. It looks like a movie actor to me and he's already saw spoken cooperative. He didn't do the, hey, who are you? Why are you handcuffing me? What's going on here? Put them in the car, and he drove off and I follow. It's just the two of them standard in the front seat. Reineck has no idea the magnitude of what is happening. Nobody told him that carries Steiner is a suspected murderer. What happened during that drive between Kerry Steiner and be I agent changed the story forever. It was a very pleasant drive. We were two guys that were just stuff together. One thing that special agent reineck is really good at is getting people to open up you meet someone in your asking them questions about themselves. Jeff being Jeff had. Hey steiner. You're not paying relation to Stephen Steiner. He'd been kidnapped from a Mercedes street corner in nineteen seventy two when he was just seven years old. He goes have you ever seen that that movie? I know my first name is Steve. And that's when. Yeah, that's my brother in that moment. He's just connecting with some guy's supposed to pick up was horrible. Stephen standards brothers terrible. What happened to him? And he went onto describe it. Unlike the world expected life was not happily ever after all of a sudden carries Steiner gets upset. He gets emotional about his brother, Stephen. My brother was held captive for seven years and his doctor Kenneth Parnell only got seven years. How can that be fair? And he asked me if I thought that was just and I told them, absolutely, no. Something truly remarkable happened in that car Kerry Stater who had such trouble with relationships in intimacy in connections developed a connection with Jeff Ryan that would absolutely change this case. So after that they actually bond over something else. It's a movie it's called Billy, Jack and the very popular song associated with that movie called one tin soldier. And I said to him, you know, you look just like Billy Jack have you ever seen the movie, and he said, no, I kept asking you. Humility I haven't seen Bill Jack. There's this line in the movie that it's a classic line after they finish their long ride. They've had their little bonding moment over Stephen they're walking into the FBI field office and Kerry stops and says, I'm gonna take this right foot. And I'm going to walk you. Your face. There's not a Dan camp thing you can do about it. So weird little moment where he just finished saying he'd never seen this movie. But he knew the classic line. He's laughing omlund. That's pretty good. You know now they're walking in and they're having a good laugh together. And then things sort of taken on turn. But remember agent reineck doesn't really know what it's about or what to expect Kerry stain or on the other hand knows exactly what he has planned, and it's going to be a bombshell. Jeffrey reineck and carry stain or have been in the car for two hours from that nudist camp when they finally arrive at the FBI offices in Sacramento, neither really noon why we were there and talking to him. We didn't know what his involvement was if any three of us are settled in the room eating pizza. As a general rule when law enforcement is interrogating a suspect. They don't order pizza. It's not textbook was grasping at straws to figure out where do we start to begin? The interview Kerry starts launching off into this is going to be my last meal as a free, man. Out of the blue. He's looks at the agents and says I can give you closure. I security. What exactly do you mean closure about what he says? You know, why we're here and he told us, hey, I can answer some questions about joy in and more. We didn't know what that was. They thought Kerry Steiner was a witness to something and suddenly out of the blue. He's dangling a confession to these FBI agent. So I think we're shocked in many ways, but it is condition an absurd horrible condition who would go into an FBI office and asked to agents the child pornography, that's not your everyday request. And he said and not just a couple of three four images. I'm talking about a stack that high. Can you imagine what these FBI agents are thanking what in the heck are we dealing with here? You never say no to them you basically put them off saying we're going to get to that. I know you want that. I'd like you to have it. But you move it down. On the ladder the managed to buy some time. So in the meantime, what do you have? And then Kerry starts to talk about jelly. Okay. Start talking about her in the interview Jeff continues the bond that they had created in that car ride and want standard to continue to talk. If it hadn't been from bonding over Stephen in that car ride. This whole confession might never have happened. Seem like she's alone. Backpack. Small cream backpack. We've all he was talking about some very grisly things as if he was reading a soup label on the porch talking to turn around. It's time to read. She drought. It's very unsettling to listen to carry Steiner. He's calculating he's creepy. Back korva, douse beckon. Teacher. Are giving. The thing that Jeff does a very magical way is to not be judgmental to keep Carey talking the bottom line is nobody's going to talk to you. If they think you're disgusted by what they're say. She's a. Here. Threats and the gun to subdue were is try Duckie perhaps advantage of fighting. You wanted us to know he was not beating her or being violent or sadistic. He wants to control what we think of him becomes pretty clear to me that he's just this big emotionless monster and Joey comes across heroic because she was a fighter and he was a coward. He successfully binds her with the duct tape, and he binds her to the point where all she can pretty much do is walk. The key to everything is what carries Steiner says next. The question always has been. Why was Joey's body found where it was found in the woods? How did it get there? Why did it get there and carry stain is about to reveal exactly what happened? She's crazy. On the back truck couldn't controlled she Phil. From warren. She didn't fall out. She was fighting everywhere. She could to get out of the car, and she did, and he didn't expect it the idea that she was able to found fling herself out of the moving car in an almost superhuman way is absolutely astounding. Down. She got around service, and he'd call me got out and he ran down, and he chased her and somewhere back in there is where he he caught her. That pocket. Drove. The investigators told me that I should be very proud of her that because she fought. There was a lot of evidence. Carey stain or has lived up to his promise. He gave them the confession Joey Armstong. But remember he said, he had more the and more. Now is what's critical without him. Getting his precious. Kiddie porn. We were advised to you could not have the condition. He wanted. Now. My biggest fear was in place. We still weren't sure that he had done son Pelosi, Jeff is very emphatic. I can already see a change in you, you you seem like you're feeling better. You know, whatever this is inside you you need to get it out. There was a dramatic period of silence. That was followed by him saying, okay. Let's do it. Stairs. So now, he's giving the agents is blow by blow of every gruesome detail. For crying. Julius recall and at the same time. He's giving them a glimpse inside these strange thoughts that he was having. Deal. He constantly reminds us that she was cooperative that she did everything he wanted her to do the things he wanted to do to her that somehow she wanted him to he's painting a picture as if he has some kind of relationship with Yuli. Car. Where? You're done patriots is beautiful reservoir. And he's telling us the story about how he's going to have to let her go almost like he's doing a favor. This has nothing to do with love. It has everything to do with playing out. This violent fantasy in his head. Curator? I asked him. How did you carry her? And goes, you know, like this. And I said you mean like groom carries a bright? And he says, yeah. Like that. Knife with me. It was brutal homicide. What actually happened had no relation to in any way what he was describing to us. But he said after he killed her. He stood here any marveled out at the view of the rising. Sun was so hard to understand how someone just disassociate from what they had just done and look out and enjoy the beauty of nature. But it's not over bombshells are on the way. I loved Carey could not believe what I just heard. My name is Lana, and I grew up in small towns bright outside you, seventy national park my sister, and I met Kerry in nineteen ninety eight my mom was a waitress at the cedar lodge where here he was a maintenance man and lived above the restaurant. They were in a relationship. I must've been ten eleven years old. He was in his thirties. He was he was warm like a big teddy bear a safe person to be around. We're excited when Kerry would come over. He would buy new beanie baby. Almost every time. We saw him because that was pretty big in the nineties my sister, and I would walk into the driveway. And we'd see carries eight hundred coming up in scout and jump in the truck, and he'd give us a ride up to our house. I loved him a lot. I don't know if you knew how much I did he was a happy part of our life. Such a happy part that turned into such a dark part of our life. One of the most disturbing things stain Steiner told Jeff was that Carol Savina and Julie were not as first choice. Carey actually planned to kill a whole nother set of people and this is a complete surprise. Today from girlfriend's house. His girlfriend daughters Tiffin's. I could not believe what I just heard. I was literally trying to get my mouth going to. Hear that again to make sure I heard what he said. Massage. Seeing. For. Tended. Have we not gotten Steiner? Could've been next. The day after Valentine's Day he had intended to that would be the day that it carries out his fantasy. And the object was his then girlfriend and her two daughters while he was there. There was another person on the grounds that stopped in deflected. What he could do? So carry abandoned his initial plan to kill his girlfriend Kerr daughters. He said when he got back to cedar lodge at night. He was really ramped up. Television. So not. Down. Dirty sensible. The Walker property. He's actually stalking is looking is predatory as he's walking past the five hundred building. He sees who we now know to be Carol Joey Silvino, the FBI has been summoned to help find three missing women right under. Everyone's knows the entire time. He was right there. He's right there. I do remember him always carrying his backpack. I remember seeing it in the truck. It was always with him. Like a woman carries a purse. I later learned that he had a murder kit murder and rape kit in his backpack that he wanted to use against my mom, my sister. And I it is frightening just to think that the things that were inside of it. And what he was thinking the whole time late last night. Federal authorities arrested this man, Thirty-seven-year-old Kerry Steiner the FBI went in and spoke with my mom privately to let her know that carries Diener had confessed to initially wanting to kill my mom and rape and kill my sister. And I. That kept it quiet for twenty years. I didn't address it. My whole family fell apart. My mom was extremely shocked as a mother myself. I don't know if I would have been able to handle that. My daughter is the same age right now that I was when I met Kerry. I think it's such a young age. I learned that you couldn't trust dolts. I still have issues trusting people don't know if all ever. Feel completely safe. For survivors. But it took a really big part of our life away. It destroyed part of my childhood. I not been back to cedar lodge until last year, and it sent chills up and down my spine. I just remember he would show us out of dive perfectly. My sister. And I both wanted to be the best. It feels like it was so long ago that you forget that it even happened like a drain where a movie that you watched. And almost doesn't even feel like it was you. There's a big part of me. That's still wonders if he's still thinks of those two little girls that adored him so much because we think about him all the time. Even remember does he care. Everybody wondered what was going on in his mind. Everybody wondered why I went to ask if Kerry wanted to talk within minutes, I'm face to face with him. He just opened up. I know answers to all of our questions. Asked him if he would bring us back to these places because he was talking about evidence. He took us to all the spots. And exactly where everything was. And he pointed out in that direction. And he said he took the role of duct tape and the knife. And he threw it out there as far as he could with the recovery of the duct tape and the watch and the knife which was the murder weapon. Now, we're talking. It. With the confession and all the forensic evidence. Carry Steiner was found guilty and was sentenced to death ES spent years in San Quentin prison on death row. He's now fifty seven years old. I don't forgive him. I can't. But at the same time, I still have a hard time looking at him as a monster. Carey was the monster in the forest Bigfoot was never supposed to be real. And then he became a real thing. I went to ask if Kerry wanted to talk, and he just opened up he told me that he'd had these feelings since he was a seven year old child, and it'd been resisting these feelings for years. It was almost as if he was trying to get credit for being a good soldier. He said no wanna movie of the week. Nate about my story. There was a movie made about Stephen stained. And he wanted the same treatment. He wanted the world to take. As far as I know. He's never talked to anyone about the effect. Stephen might have had on his crimes. I'm not sure there isn't a direct cause and effect. Stephen could have grown up normal happy and healthy. And Kerry still would've been a serial killer. It's difficult to pitcher what Kerry has done because knowing Steve their personalities are completely opposite going time. Steve would kill anything like fish is. Because we gonna eat it. You know what I mean? I wouldn't think that he would think of himself as one, but he is a hero as hero a lot of people. Because of Stephen Timothy white got his second chance at a childhood, but like Steven didn't live long. He died at the age of thirty five of a lead cl- to the lung. The statue. Mer said, no, Stephen and Timothy white and they're holding hands. Yes. Terrible things happen to Steven. But his legacy is that he saved another kid from advance offer those same terrible things. That's really all. You should be remembered. We understand why the stain or brother story garnered so much global attention. But when it's all over who should we really be remembering the sun's Savina Pelos. So Joey Armstrong these are beautiful people who met their death to suit. So I get. Is this with God all mighty? And I. I will see her again. Joey's legacy carries on semi. There's something called Armstrong scholars every summer the group of girls from USA fifteen and eighteen abroad into the park to spend a week exploring learning about it. Which is why joy was in the first place. Whatever terrible things happen in the world. I think people come to beautiful places like this because they know that nature has healing power. This is the place of beauty where evil will be benched. Are you hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes set up screener questions than zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today at indeed dot com slash podcast. That's indeed dot com slash podcast.

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Steven & Cary and Madame Lalaurie

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Steven & Cary and Madame Lalaurie

"Is. Would. Baddie. The boot. Good. Hey, welcome to bat in the boondocks as always I am Stanley, and I'm drew, and we are surely glad to be here with you today. It's been a long day, but just one mention we do have our first, we are now on patriot on our patriotic page is live. There are three tiers each tier has different perks and benefits won't you tell them the tears. We have our we, we wound dockers, we have our growing boom. Doctors and we have our full grown Boone doctors, so go out, go to patriarch dot com. Search for bad in the boondocks, and it'll bring up our page you can join there. We have our first bonus patron only episode out and it's a good one. We're excited about our patriots page. And we are hoping that you will join us because we have a lot of interesting and new things that we're going to add to patrons only. All right. Yeah. We both have a story today we're going to get right on into it with you going. I all right. Let me take me a sip Morrison the throat. Okay. And I'm gonna do the interesting case and tragic case of Stephen and Kerry Steiner. The two brothers of the Steiner family are both famous both tied to the wonder of Yosemite national park and both new unspeakable horrors, that have similar national park is that like in California or some, thanks. Fund back for you. If by. By that up. Well, you keep on talking you keep talking. And then I'll come back to you. Stephen Steiner, captured the heart of a nation when he helped another child at scape from a pedophile after enduring years of abuse, and not willing to see the child experience, the same fate Kerry Steiner will forever be known for marring Yosemite. Reputation as a peaceful retreat with the brutal murders of four innocent women. And guess what, what it is in California in from the pictures, it looks really good. Yes. Very good place to visit the Steiner family made up of the two brothers there, three sisters and parents K and Dilbert lived in the secluded farming town of Mercedes, California. Tober. Surrounded by almond, groves, and peach orchards. In the shadow of Yosemite, national park Kerry looked out for Stephen according to carry Steiner, former classmate JAT bunker. He loved us, brother. Martin Purdy a friend of the brothers remembered as nice guy. Martin says he was kind of a quiet guy, our days would be just get on our bikes in the morning, and then go to the park, hang out with our friends or skateboard. The boys were still in elementary school when a man named Kenneth Parnell entered the picture. Parnell worked at the Yosemite lodge located about two hours away from the stain or home he befriended. A co worker named Ervin Murphy to assist him in abou- at that would shape the family forever. It was a sleety wintery day. He in urban Murphy got into Kin's big, white Buick, and drove into Mersad big white view. It was December the fourth of nineteen seventy two then seven year old Stephen Steiner was walking home from school on highway one, forty when Parnell in Murphy were driving towards town stain. Her was lured into the vehicle and up -ducted. Kenneth Cornell stopped his car and went to a pay fo and then he came back, and he told Stephen your parents, I just spoke to them. They no longer won't you. So, you know that probably devastated. Little Steven or. Yeah. Mercedes was the lead police department, and so they really mounted a large effort to search, and they searched and they searched and there was just nothing. Carey was very upset. When Stephen was adopted are witnessing mean on bass own this national park. It is pretty big. So it would be very difficult found somebody out in here about he wasn't in the national park. Who are you even list, then never mind? Well, it was busy looking stuff up. Okay. While Carey is the one that's going to be. The Yosemite killer. Okay. Okay. All right. You get on with it. For years. Parnell traveled around California. With stephen. Stephen Steiner had a new father figure. It was Kenneth Arnelle who by day was this father and by that night. He was his ripest. Stephen was told his new name was going to be Dennis Parnell. And he was even enrolled in school. Against the odds. He flourished there. He had a great personality said, Laurie Duke data's Stephen in high school. But new as Dennis he was spunky. She said. While Steven was a freshman at Mendocino high school some three hundred miles to the south. His older brother, Kerry wasn't upperclassmen at Mersad high school. There was a slight Paulo over on Kerry, because he was the kid who had his brother kidnapped. What does that have to just like, in the shadow, everybody knew him as the child that the brother was kidnapped? Okay. Here. Steiner was a very good cartoonist and will he was voted most creative at school. Steiner. However, he always wore had he had a horrible. He would yank his hair, so he actually wore hats cover all the ball spots. Not very good. Carey Steiner also exhibited some behaviors that made others uncomfortable including as he later, admitted, exposing himself to assist friend, one night while she spent the night. It seemed as though he had a compulsion with trying to get close to women or be sexual with them. But he was unable to develop any sort of interpersonal relationship with any woman. You had one brother who had been subjected to just unspeakable horror for years. But by all appearances everybody else he was a happy go lucky kid and had a girlfriend, then you had the other brother who was left at home, and he had no interesting girls and no interest in people. He wasn't just a loner. He was like a creepy loner who, by the time Stephen was fourteen he had been abused. Emmy manipulated by Parnell for seven years. At some point poor Nell and Steven together realize that Stephen was growing up in that he was no longer going to be controlled by Parnell Parnell wanted. Another kid that was younger that he could sexually assault in February of nineteen eighty Parnell decided to capture a new younger. Boy, he paid a local kid to ride with him to the little town of Yucai, California. And he put the high school kid out on the street to go find him a boy. And he found five year old Timothy white walking home from school to say so he paid. Lucca teenager to rob with him row fund a younger boy. Right. For him. Yes. Okay. For two weeks. Stephen watched Timothy supper suffer the separation from his family, then he took matters into his own hands. His high school girlfriend said he later told her what happened he said that he was not going to let that child go through what he had already been through. So he knew if he didn't take care of it. Now, it would just get worse on March, first of nineteen eighty Stephen waited until Parnell was at work. Then he fled with the new younger. Boy, Timothy, the to hitchhike hitch hiked to you Kaya California. It was dark in TIMMY, couldn't remember where he lived. So Stephen figure that the best thing to do was to take him to the police station. Not only was Stephen able to explain to police, what happened to him and Timothy, he was also able to tell them, his real name was Steven, not Dennis telling police. I know my first name is Steven became the most iconic moment in Stevens remarkable story later, it became the title of a book and television movie, Steven was a national hero. He returned to Merced said, try off it within days of returning home. He was on good Morning America on good Morning America in March nineteen eighty Stephen shared with former host David Hartman that it felt great to be home. He told Hartmann that his parents didn't change that much. But his brothers and sister, they changed. Lot. He never recognised either one of them. At a press conference outside the stain her house. Everyone was smiling. There was a lot of jubilation. But if you look in the background, there's something worth noting, and it's Carey in his baseball cap. And he's not smiling at all Kerry, as the older brother had a very strange relationship. Now with his youngest brother Stephen, who was getting all of this attention, and who was a different person. The brother were four years pond a shared a room, but they did not get along Steven didn't understand the rules that he was now expected to live up because he had been allowed to drink smoke. Whatever he wanted to do. Yeah. The first year was pretty hectic for seven years. Carey said that he had been supposedly an only child, but now he had to complete compete with us brother and three sisters. Stephen also struggled in high school where he was bullied for the tragic abuse. He had endured. Flynn said his sexuality was constantly under attack in addition to his fraught life at home and at school, Stephen steel, Justin ager also had to face Parnell in court Parnell was convicted on kidnapping and false imprisonment charges. He was sentenced to seven years in prison, but he only served five that was less time than he had Stephen kidnapped for. Exactly. That's pretty sad. It was outrageous. There was out and out fury over the senate's Ken Parnell went back to what he had been doing for years. He found someone else to help him find another boy, but he was called and he was sitting prison again, and he died there in two thousand eight. While Steven was grappling with life after his escape, his brother was out of high school with his own troubles. Terry after high school seemed to little loss lucky didn't know where he was going. He was known to take refuge in nearby Yosemite, where he driven up and got lost in nature. Whatever demons were clamoring around in his head by being naked by smoking pot. He could find the peace that he so desperately needed. Stephen Steiner's famous shortly up. He grew up got married. Any add to kids? He was very proud of who he was. He was just very well grounded for person that had gone through what he had gone through. However, tragically Stephen Steiner was killed in nineteen eighty nine in a motorcycle accident. He was twenty four years old. That's not very fair. It doesn't seem fair that shortly after Stephen's death. He died before his kidnapper. He's ashley. That's what I was thinking this says shortly after Stephen's death and alkyl within Carey was staying was very close with was shot and killed in a home. They shared together. By this point Kerry, stain her was suffering. He had had a couple of nervous breakdowns, and one was pretty violent. He stated that he felt like jumping in a truck driving it through the shop and killing the boss and killing everyone in the office. And then torching the place. Instead of seeking mental health treatment stained. Her ended up taking refuge in Yosemite in nineteen ninety seven Steiner got a job as a handyman at the cedar lodge, seven miles from the gate of the national park working at cedar lodge gave Kerry access to his beloved Yosemite. His idea of serenity was to maybe smoke a little pot and to sunbathed naked to of course Steiner had been at cedar lodge for two years, when Carol sun her teenage daughters. Julie sun and her friend Silvino Pelosi came to stay one night in February of nineteen ninety nine that night. He talked his way into their room under the guise of fixing a leak, because he was the handyman. But then he sexually assaulted both girls and brutally murdered all three. The search for the women was the largest ever mounted in Yosemite. At anytime after several weeks, the bodies of all three women were discovered five months, passed without another killing and the community surrounding Yosemite was loaded into a sense of calm, especially when the FBI announced that those they believed responsible for the murder for in custody. In fact, the raw men were in custody, but on July the twenty first of nineteen ninety nine when Steiner saw, Joey Armstrong, a twenty six year old naturalist at Yosemite halt children about nature in the park something instantly changed with him. He was ready to kill again, after her friends reported her missing. Police found signs of a struggle at our cabin and a half a mile away. They found her body her head, which had been removed. Moved was found several feet away in the water. There wasn't really much time for the police speculate on whether this was related. Because right now Yosemite. Fork has Val thousand population right now. The all in back, then I don't know how much it was, but only about a thousand so there couldn't be two min old less than that suspects. I guess you could say well, but you have all this. Yeah. With it would be list than the now on that. But Steiner left a substantial amount of evidence in and around Armstrong's cottage. But police initially started searching form because his vehicle had been seen near her place. And they thought he would be a natural witness to interview, thirties had already interviewed him once before about the other three murders. But at the time he hadn't raised any red flags FBI agents caught up with stain at a nudist colony where he hid fled to after Armstrong with murder. After he was brought in for questioning he can. I wonder if they gave him close. Honestly, sir. He confessed murdering Joey Armstrong, describing the brutal killing as if he was reading a soup label. Soon after he confessed to murdering Carol son. Julie sun and so-, Beena Pelosi. Now, this is quote, I went to ask if Kerry wanted to talk said, if I won't you to get a hold of some Doucet's in Los Angeles. I wanna movie of the week made about my story. That's what carries him. There was a movie made about Stephen Steiner. He wanted the same treatment. He wanted the world to take note of he also did way. Good in him. What if he had tragedy put on him xactly, it's difficult for me to picture, what Kerry has done and knowing Steve, because their personalities are completely opposite Stevens? Former girlfriend said the only time Steve would kill anything like a fish is because we were going to eat it. You know what I mean? She said I wouldn't think that he would think of himself as one but he is a hero. For the last twenty years Steiner has been on death row at San Quentin prison. He's. Eight years old. Now, of course. And that's what a gun on him. But he's never been remorseful about killing or meaning that if that even ask for some child porn. And he would tell them. Yeah. And he would convince. Okay. It's what you got, who you got what you got who you got. When you've got y you got. Okay of God. Madam low. Laurie madam. Pretty it's pretty old, but I mean a sparkler oldie but goody only good. I guess you could say that. Well, Madam will Laurie was born as Mary Dell. Fien McCarty on March nineteenth seventeen eighty seven in New Orleans, she was you are offered lid. She was the child of Louis Barthelemy her father in her mother was Mary, Jean her father immigrated from Ireland to the US in seventeen thirty her mother was French, and they lived in the white community in New Orleans. The McCord family was very wealthy and moved from for ans- to New Orleans to engage in different profitable ventures. The McCarty family was very broad ranging from rich merchants. Army officials and slavers Madame belonged as one of the five children of the family at the age of thirteen. Madam was a very pretty girl, which is not make Horford fund. A decent groom. In June of eighteen hundred at the age of thirteen she had her first marriage with a high ranking Spanish official named Don rain, Delopez e Angelo, which she got married at thirteen. That's how it was. Yeah, you've got married pretty young. You've popped out base by the time. He's exactly he was appointed general Spain shortly after the marriage which made her one of the most powerful women in the state because most of New Orleans was ruined by Spanish occupation at the time. Dome was called back. Spain in eighteen four. But on its way he passed away. Mysteriously many people at different claims for staff, but his death is still on shore. On dome don's way back to Spain. Madame had a daughter in after his death. She returned back to New Orleans the next four years. She spent her time living in her mansion in New Orleans. So they got married for the second time in eighteen o eight two gene block. He was also very wealthy, working as a merchant banker in lawyer after they got married. They bought a house in Royal street and gave birth to four children. And this marriage is will did not last long when Jean passed away. Eight years later in eighteen sixteen. One of the daughters over second marriage was deformed and have problems with their spinal cord. She was sent a doctor Lewis low Lori for treatment to fix her, but was unsuccessful the doctor was attracted to Madam and proposed to her. He was twenty years younger than her. But that didn't matter. And they married in eighteen twenty five. He's a. He'll commit may recall reporting loud noises coming from their house. Wonder what that could be house of no? Doku hockett. She became infamous for the bad treatment of the slave, she owned she, like many others own slaved, and she kept them in the slave quarters outside of the Royal street mansion. They were they were hired to do little jobs around the house. Rumors spread that the slaves were very mistreated and lived in fear one time, one of the slaves Xidan licata tangle, while brushing her owner Sayer. So Madam got a whip and try to hit her with it. But by this time, the slave ran into the attic in climbed on the roof. They are she lost her footing and fail to her death. The neighbor of Madame witness her being on the roof in slipping only to hear the Lael fall blow from this instant, she had to pay three hundred dollars and give up non for sleighs, which, of course, she bought back not long after one of the slaves was scared a punishment that would have to him. So he threw himself out of the third story, window and fail to death. There were mixed feelings about this and people said that she was sweet to them. And then more other said, she was able to them a fire broke out in madams Royal street mansion, which started in the kitchen. When police arrived, they found a seventy year old black woman Todd to the stove climbing. She started the fire because she feared the punishment Madam was going to foot on her. So these are a lot of slaves like you know, that the punishments way worse than the slaves actually killing themselves. Yeah. Torture. Yeah. The fire would not slow down. So some of the by standards, they tried to intervene. But Madame and her husband refused soy, anyone into their house. So the crowd they took it upon themselves to break down the door and enter enter the home. What they found when they entered the home was shocking. They found seven brutally torture slaves with some of their limbs to form and some of them their intestines were pulled out of their bodies in Todd around them which caused their death. Yeah. The wall mob broke hill on the mansion after finding out this news. They destroyed any positions that remain firs. That the fire did not get. This the slaves that were not brutally KIO were sent to the police station where they gave their counts of what? They went through the court Kreil was even more fury aided after they were sent for public viewing, so these slaves that were already beaten were sent to be viewed in public after it was all over. There was basically nothing left of the mansion, and it was left in ruins after the fire Madame knew not to get caught. So she fled after this. There's not too much about what she was doing. But we do know that after the fire in eighteen thirty four. She flew to pairs France, where she spent the rest of her life. What is known to this day is that she died on December seventh? Eighteen forty nine. Choosy. Looking at some of the pictures. Yeah. And on some counts say that she could have actually tortured and killed over a hundred slaves but that's not one hundred percent accurate. So I didn't that seems a little. Yes. So I didn't put that in there, but there were some accounts, it said that she could have. While even if it was, she's definitely even. Oh, yeah. All right. 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How Silicon Valley Made Work More Stressful

Knowledge@Wharton

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How Silicon Valley Made Work More Stressful

"Podcast is brought to you by knowledge award. You know, when you think about Silicon Valley, you don't necessarily think of sweatshops, but that's the image that gets conjured up in a new book by our guest, Dan Lyons. He is a longtime tech reporter who ended up working on two seasons of the HBO series. So a convex it was perhaps his reporting on the workplace culture of companies like apple and various startups that showed him the stressful lives tech workers are actually dealing with great to have Dan back on the show. We had him on prior with his book disrupted, and now he has authored the book lab rats, how Silicon Valley made work miserable for the rest of us. Dan, great to talk to you again. Oh, hi, thanks for having me on again. Thank you. Great to have you back. So I start off of the title. Why are we so miserable right now? Well, I think that in some ways a lot of unhappiness in the workplace emanates from Silicon Valley in two forms. One is the. Technology products themselves, and the other is business practices that have originated in Silicon Valley. And now are are spreading to other industries. And so in disrupted. My last book was I told the story of of of just me personally going into tech start up and trying to work and this one I've taken all sort of wire lands at a lot of other people in tackle out of other companies, and then even beyond that to industries outside of technology. I think the culture Parnell start there is really interesting because of the changes that have really occurred. And obviously you said a lot of it started with the tech field, but they have spread out. It's almost now it's it's it's part of the millennial culture, especially with millennials that are running companies as to how they want to try and form what their company looks like. Yeah. And you know, there's a strange phenomenon that crops up just in the last few years where you see sort of big old traditional companies trying to become more like startups, I guess in order to recruit people, and especially to recruit millennials, and you see them either setting up labs and incubators into combat in order to kind of absorb the culture there. And then bring it back into the bloodstream of the, you know, the the home company or bringing workers out executives out for they call silicon safaris where they ride around in a little van and meet with a lot of startups and try to you know, crack the code of what makes us start up like, unfortunately, what they often focus on the sort of superficial things like booze ball and ping pong, and you know, beer, bashes and beer pong. And. Not really I I don't think that's really what millennials want beyond. That was one of the biggest revelations. I had reporting. This book was talking to millennials who really can't stand up stuff. You know? I it's interesting because when you think of about how some of those companies have kind of played themselves out. I guess I wonder then what was it that that really drove the these kind of mindsets that if millennials are not in favor of that. What really was the turn to try and see this type of activity going on in businesses in many occasions. I think what happened in Silicon Valley with and this is a very cynical take. But it was that all of that super super fischel stuff. We we sort of lump it as culture, but you know, the sort of fun culture, kind of stuff was really this bright shiny object that they dangled in front of employees while on the side. They were kind of sweeping away a lot of the more. Fundamental stuff like job security the chance to get promotions. The chance to develop your career inside and organization at the very lowest level to have health benefits. It's amazing. How many people in their twenties? I talked to who said the one thing they really want. And they've never had is a job with health insurance. Oh my goodness. That would be the most amazing thing ever. We really don't care about the ping pong. And they're starting to figure out that. Oh, we got tricked. We got distracted by all this one kooky stuff over here. And they changed the deal on the back end for us. So a lot of them only get hired as contractors? They've never actually been a real employees. So so yet it turns out millennials. I don't think are really any different from the rest of us. And they're just starting to wake up to the sort of bait and switch that was played on them. So then do you think that we are going to see a shift away from that in the years to come? I think so and I hope so, but I think. Companies are starting to realize that you know, what you know, what young people want young workers want us to same as everybody else, and essentially it's just three treated well retreated with dignity treated with respect. And you know, I have an editor at Forbes us to say, it's not the principle. It's the money. Right. It's kind of the money like they wanna get paid and have security. So yeah, I think in fact in the last part of my book, I found, and I write about examples of companies that are sort of becoming more human Centric more employee Centric. And are they're making a bet that if we treat employees really really, well, that's how we'll stand out, and that's how we'll actually live a better service to our customer and not just being good for the sake of being nice. It's actually good business. And part of it is also the want of some of these companies to have their employees putting in sixteen eighteen hour days if they can do that by also. So, you know, having cafeterias in the in the complex, and and having all of those other kind of, you know, those those fun niche things too. So that they can have their break in the office. Not still be that far away from their desk. Not take the walk outside. You'll never leave. When I was writing on Silicon Valley one season of the show. We we came up with the storyline. But we abandoned it. But it was the idea that Hooley the big evil company in the show. We're going to announce plans to to build this enormous underground skyscraper. Like upside down. Skysurfer just went down twenty stories into the ground. And they were just how's everybody like an ant colony, you know? And then they will never have to leave everything you need is in the Hooghly black. So yeah, they're trying to get you to work work longer. And even though you know, there's an enormous research that shows beyond what sixty hours a week. Really? You know, it doesn't you don't get any productivity if you do sprints over and over and over again. Stops working people need rest time, a great example of this. Which is in the book is a company called base camp in Chicago and their offer company. They are absolutely tech company. They have a forty hour work maximum, but you can't work more than forty hours and in the summer, they make it thirty two and everybody takes Friday off and you have to do this. And if that means something doesn't get done. They say, okay, we we'll push it to the next cycle. But they are determined not to work too much. I think is amazing Iraq people in Silicon Valley. They're nuts. But they're doing really really well and how and how do they how do they make sure that those those hourly standards are are held in check. I actually don't how the enforce it. Because a lot of their workforces remote. But it from the top. I mean, the boss just comes in and leaves at five, you know, whatever and tells people leave you're not expected to stay later. In fact, you're expected to go home. So now at the same time you're expected during their eight hours a day to work not to there are no ping pong tables. There's no foosball. There's no noise. The other thing they do this radical is a lot of people work in offices, and it's library rules. They caught it's very quiet, and you come in your work you concentrate, you know, and then you go home, and they think, you know, if forty hours a week is enough for any human being to do, and we can do plenty with that you talk in the book in a couple of the chapters about several factors that you believe are important to what we have seen in this this displeasure in the workplace and I wanted to touch on a couple of. Being money, and insecurity and change and take a surf you wouldn't mind a little bit on each one of those right? And I should back them and say that what set me off on. This was seeing all this data that shows people becoming more and more unhappy at a time when I thought we should be happy than ever. And if remember the late nineties and the predictions about what the internet was going to do we were all going to be rich? We're all going to have lots of free time. We had very utopian ideas of this. Flash forward twenty years and antidepressant uses skyrocketing. Suicide rates are skyrocketing. Every survey of engagement and job satisfaction shows a decline, so I tried to unpack that and money money is just a fantastic one. If you look into the numbers, and there's other people have done this. I just cite their research. But this two trillion dollars a year that's been sucked out of the economy that used to go to ways. In other words, the entire working working in middle-class have just been robbed of that money change. You know, there's this on giving talk next week in a series of call view, the only constant is change. And we sort of herald that as wonderful thing in the in the new economy, but there's huge amounts of research that show our brains are just completely overwhelmed by constant change. We're not actually wired for that, insecurity, another one. We now live with this new compact, especially and so on Bali where there is no job security. You're gonna last a year year and a half two years. And you never know when that's going to happen. And again, there's enormous research that shows that that fear, and insecurity, actually does more harm your brain than just getting fired the fear of losing your job is actually worse for you than getting fired. So many many ways the modern workplace as its have all has become a place. It's almost set up as I collagen experiment of stressors that over on your brain. Which is why the book is called lab rats, essentially, we have an entire you know, is like a giant sociology experiment playing out in the workforce on real subjects. We're talking with Dan Lyons. Who's the author of that book lab rats Silicon Valley made work miserable for the rest of us. Your comments are welcome at eat for for Warton, eight four four nine four two seven eight six six or if you can't get your phone. You can send us a comment on Twitter app is radio one thirty two or my Twitter account, which is at downloading twenty one one. The the companies you actually spent some time at is as Ford, and I'd be interested to know what the culture is like around Ford right now. Well, I was there a year ago. So I don't and before the real trouble started. So I don't know. And I say in the book, I have a caveat from which is I love Ford. And I've I've visited them written about them over the years as journalists, and I I had tremendous respect for them. And what they do. I think the ability to build millions of cars to operate at scale to sell those cars at a reasonable price. And to still make a profit is a magic at that. We all take for granted. And we undervalue until we see somebody like tesla. The can't do it. Right. All of their, you know, Silicon Valley genius. But yeah, Ford when I visited with was right before Mark Fields got fired, and they were sort of desperately still trying. To do this thing of we're startup too. You know, and we have a self driving car too. And and we're gonna have backup on and look at us. We look like Silicon Valley guys we're not wearing suits anymore. And I kinda left thinking oh my God. This is bad that you know this. They look so afraid, and they were they were having this event to try to look, you know, proud and hip and cool, and they're talking about technology. And I thought oh, the more you talk about it, the more you look scared. You know, and I want to say to them just be Ford. No, just you're you're in Detroit. You're you're and the funny thing is Mark Fields got fired. They fired a bunch of other people. They brought in Jim Hackett. And I just saw in their this new ad campaign where they have Bryan Cranston. The breaking bad guy. Yeah. Yeah. Sort of doing that saying, you know, let the guys dream about the future. We're going to build it. You know, they sort of returning to the recognizing the value that they have, you know. And but yeah. And I wrote about them because I thought a lot of other big companies were going through that crisis. You know, like the the old handled. It's like the old guy who starts dressing too young. You know, he gets divorced. And now he starts dressing like a millennial and like don't do that on. No, it was like, and but anyway, I hope and believe that they will turn it around. Do you gone? Do you think that that we can have that shift in general, and I ask that because of how Silicon Valley has had an impact on our society over the last couple of decades. And how connected we are to our devices and are two to our technologies, and and even a company like Ford and the rest of the automakers putting more and more technology in our cars. Do you think that that we can have a a fundamental significant shift going back in times, and maybe it has to be company by company? I think that's exactly right. You hit the nail on the head and. Ford has always had to incorporate technology there a hundred and fifteen years old or something or I mean, you know, taking new technologies now, it's it's autonomous driving and electric Motors. Let's say our alternative energies. I mean, that's kind of what carmakers do they should be able to absorb that. And learn that there's no special magic. I actually think what people maybe you're going to start to recognize is that you know, we make a lot of noise about how great Silicon Valley is. But I made a spreadsheet of every tech IPO since two thousand eleven and I I which ones of those companies have ever made a profit even since going public, and there's only ten the all can find, you know, we have if you look in Silicon Valley and try to find an example of a company that operates at scale at large and makes a profit the last one is Facebook was founded in two thousand four so these guys. There have make a lot of noise about software eating the world, and we're so transformative and disruptive they aren't away, but they're they're disruptive in the way. Someone that's dumping steel onto the market below cost or dumping memory chips below cost is disruptive. You have companies just operating at massive losses for a long period of time. But nobody has really built a successful company. You know, what I would call successful? And I think people might start to wake up to that that, you know, maybe we got a little scared of these guys and we didn't need to. And maybe we had a little bit more going for us than they knew. And maybe they can actually learn from us you. Yeah. You mentioned at the top not only the practices that are going on at the products as well. Take us into your thoughts on that. Because of where we are in this kind of digital connected culture that we live in. We're only things I love is easy example. But if you've ever worked in an office with where people use lack or something like that two things that that happened that are both really no one is you have the tyranny of the slack thing on your computer all day long, and it's constantly popping up trying to work in looking at this, and you feel compelled to answer, and you get nothing done because you're constantly trying to stay on top of the slack conversation or or multiple conversation. Right. The other incredible phenomenon that I saw when I was working this startup is you'll see two people working either right beside each other or right across from each other face to face and they're talking over slack. They could just literally look up and talk to each other. And it's it's sort of Sherry terkel at MIT has his called this phenomenon of alone. Together, it actually in some ways technology that's meant to bring us together. Ends up disintermediating us and actually separating us from each other. I actually. Think people as the more we talk about a and the more. We talk about robotics the more at the same time. People are coming to realize the tremendous value of person to person connections. And those things are actually becoming worth more in a world where you know, any anybody can have the same technology. Right. So it's the quality of the people in your organization that maybe you're gonna determine the success of your organization. Yeah. I was gonna take that even a step further and just say, the the actual communication skills that that you and I have ably. We lived on going back, you know, twenty thirty forty years that's kind of been eating away at by by by a lot of standards, and obviously, you know, we're biased right because we're in the communication business right writers and journalists, and so we probably overweight that but yet I find it's not just in communication looking product. Where you see things that are hand me. Made that were are in take enormous amounts of skill and craftsmanship watches is one thing, you know, like really expensive watches are actually having the revival right now old fashioned mechanical watches plant because there is a story of people who they can't be made by machine they can only be made by a really skilled human being. So a in another example Hilton Hilton hotel chain has has come to believe that those people who do the frontline work that clean your room that work at the front desk. Bezos, how the actual value add anybody can build a hotel put rooms in it. Right. Right. Right. So yeah. There are a lot of ways in which I think the rise of AI is gonna make us value. Means right now, we're tending. Everybody's devaluing. Humans are so obsessed with AI that will why bother being good to our employees that we're just going to get rid of them. All you know. Would why why bother you know? We're drivers. Well, yeah. We don't need to give him healthcare or anything like that. Yeah. No museum end. They last less than a year. The average Uber driver. They don't and it just turn and burn burn insurance. And you know, Sunday, we're gonna have self driving cars anyway. So well, you know, that's probably a lot longer wave, and you think and actually for most of us on the ground who take a of the person driving cars embar interface to that company. And so I think maybe people are going to wake up to that you mentioned earlier the issue of the contract worker, and while people are are no doubt happy that they have the job in. And if you go back probably eight nine years, probably people didn't care because of how bad the economy was and because of the recession, but I I know that there are some companies already that have decided that they have gone away from the contract worker because they understand that the problems that it's actually preserve. Renting on the structure of the economy. Yeah. There's a company I write about in the book called managed by Q. And it's not a company I never heard of before. And that most of us have ever heard of. But they are what you would call a gig economy company. They're the Uber of janitor. So if you need crew to come clean your offices at night, you know, you can go to them, and they did something incredibly radical founders guy in twenty s Dan, Karen. And he said, we're gonna make all the cleaners w employees give them health benefits. We're gonna have four one K matches some of these people have never had a 4._0._1._K. They don't even know what it is. We're going to bring people in in groups and giving them a class. Here's how you save for the future. And the key thing is we're going to offer everybody the chance to get promoted and move up into work in an office, and this I'd never thought of this before. But the head of HR said to me, do you understand if you're someone who cleans offices, maybe you know, me college, right? The idea that you might someday have a job. Where you work at a desk with a laptop, and you don't get dirty that is, you know, an incredibly powerful incentive, and, you know, working class people people working in the field working in those jobs are as upwardly mobile ambitious and everybody else. Right. So that became this huge incentive, and their bet is that if we do this. We treat our workers really really well and make them part of the family not this surf classics over there. You know on other. We never talked to they will provide better service to our customers. Our customers will stay with us longer, and we'll make more money, and it was a really smart because everybody else in the gig economy went the other way. And then they all started getting sued and the lawsuits brought also bad, you know, attention and bad press negative. And so, yeah, you're seeing now some gig economy companies that started off with contractors? Quickly moving over and saying, let's let's make them W two or people starting from scratch. But yeah, you're right. The entire Mujber phenomenon and task grab it all benefited from the crash in two thousand eight right? Everybody's out of work. Yep. That's kind of changing now. And maybe for the better. I mean, I would definitely be better. If it happened. I don't know for example, ever change. I I don't know in the in the in the last minute that we have there's also the element. I wanted to touch on of healthcare in general and the impact that some of these things are having on the employee's and the added costs to healthcare, which is obviously a huge topic that we are seeing that companies are having to incur because of some of these problems. Yeah. Well, I don't I think they wanna just avoid having to pay for this. But the I can tell you from from talking to employees that was that is one of the highest things on the list of things they want they they value that would make them take job versus another job. Right. Oh, yeah. Dan, great talking to you again. Thanks for coming on great job with the book. And we look forward to the next one. Thanks for having me. Thank you, damn lines. The book is lab rats, how Silicon Valley made work miserable for the rest of us. The book is available in bookstores and online for your purchase right now. For more insight from knowledge at Warton, please. Visit knowledge dot Morton dot U, Penn dot EDU.

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The Pitch Drop Experiment

Everything Everywhere Daily

08:50 min | 11 months ago

The Pitch Drop Experiment

"In one, thousand, nine, hundred, Ninety, seven professor, Thomas Parnell of University of Queensland in Brisbane. Australia created an experiment to demonstrate to students the concept of viscosity and how some substances which appear to be solids are actually liquids. That experiment is still running ninety years later. Learn more about the pitch drop experiment. The world's longest continually running scientific experiment on this episode of everything everywhere daily. This episode is sponsored by flu. winton three months. Have you ever wanted to learn a foreign language and do so quickly my friend Benny Lewis. Over at fluent in three months might be able to help Benny spent over a decade language learning around the world. His techniques have helped tens of thousands of people learn the languages they want to learn quickly through both online courses and his language hacking guides. I've personally met Benny in many places all over the globe and if seen his language skills and action, he doesn't just talk the talk. He walks the walk when it comes to language learning and I'm sure he'll be able to help you to to sign up for his free speaking a week email course just go to fluent in three months, dot com or click on the link in the show notes. The concept of viscosity is one which mostly concerns physicists who are interested in fluid dynamics, but also one which can be easily comprehended from everyday experience. viscosity is simply a fluid's resistance to deformation at a given rate. Water has a very low viscosity. Olive oil has a higher viscosity. Honey has a still higher viscosity and catch up is usually higher than that. Basically, the longer take something to pour the higher viscosity. The scarcity can also get much higher than something like ketchup things like peanut butter and toothpaste are technically fluids with very high viscosity is they're very resistant to flowing but given enough time they will flow some things like silly putty don't seem like fluids at all but they actually are, for example, if you put a piece of silly putty over a surface with whole, it will eventually drain through the whole. We'll take hours to do but it will eventually go down the hole just like water in extreme slow motion. At the very top of the viscosity scale is pitch also known as bitchy and asphalt is an organic substance with an extremely high viscosity if you were to pick it up, it would look and feel like a rock. Pitches both naturally occurring and manufactured on the island of Trinidad. There's a natural lake made out of pitch. You can actually walk on the Pitch Lake and you can feel yourself sinking in extreme slow motion and I know this because I've been there and I've actually done it. It's a pretty cool experience. This brings us back to Professor Thomas, Parnell which I mentioned in the intro. Back in one, thousand, nine, hundred, Ninety, seven, he wanted to conduct an experiment to show students how certain substances that seemed like solids were actually viscous fluids. What he did was take a sample of pitch and heated it. When you heat pitch, it becomes much less viscous can pours more easily. He then filled a glass funnel. That was sealed at the bottom with the pitch and let it settle for three years. In nineteen thirty after the pitch at settled, he broke the seal at the neck of the funnel to let the pitch start flowing. The funnel filled with pitch was then placed under a glass dome and put it in a display case outside the lecture. Hall. The pitch began flowing out of the open end of the funnel very slowly. Eight years after the glass was broken and allowed the pitch to flow the first drop fell from the funnel. It took eight years for a single drop to flow out. Since one, thousand, nine, thirty, the experiment has remained intact in the funnel still sits outside the Lecture Hall with Pitch, slowly flowing out of it in ninety years exactly nine drops have fallen. The average time for the first seven drops was approximately eight years however sometime after the seventh drop in July of Nineteen Eighty, eight the time between drops increased. The eighth drop occurred in November of two thousand, twelve point three years after the previous drop and the ninth drop occurred in April two, thousand fourteen thirteen point four years later. What had happened was that air conditioning was installed in the building which lowered the average temperature the pitch was exposed to increasing the viscosity. The last drop actually occurred when the apparatus was moved to clean out the previously dropped pitch below and the current hanging drop broke off. The. Next intense drop is expected to occur sometime. Later this decade it is estimated there is enough pitch in the funnel to last about another one hundred years. In the ninety years, the experiment has been running there have been three custodians of the experiment. Professor Parnasse previously mentioned was the first professor John Mainstone took over in nineteen sixty one and he oversaw the experiment for fifty two years. The third and Current Custodian of the experiment is Professor Andrew White who took over the job in two thousand thirteen? No one has ever actually seen any of the nine drops take place they have happened in the middle of the night or at times when no one was looking. In two, thousand five, the experiment was awarded the Ignoble Prize in physics, which is a parody of the Nobel prize. The Guinness Book of World Records has also awarded the record for the world's longest continually running laboratory experiment. Today, there is a Webcam hooked up so you can actually watch the pitch drop in real time. I would say it's like watching grass grow or watching paint dry, but both of those things are actually much much faster than flowing pitch. After the eighth drop of the pitch in November two thousand, they were finally able to calculate its viscosity. The value they came up with was that it was two hundred and thirty billion times more viscous than water. It should be noted that the University of Queensland is not the only long-term pitch drop experiment in the world in October nineteen, Forty Four, a similar pitch experiment was started at Trinity College in Dublin known assure who started the experiment and it was forgotten for decades with dust accumulating on it. Known paying attention to the pitch drops in April two, thousand, thirteen, they noticed drop was forming. So they moved the apparatus and set up a Webcam and at five PM on July eleven th two, thousand, thirteen, the camera captured the first ever pitched drop. They calculated their pitch was thirty billion times more viscous than water. There are a few other long-term scientific instruments still in operation. The most notable is the Oxford Electric Bell at Oxford University, it is a battery that's connected to a clapper which alternates between two charged bells. When it touches one bell, the charge switches and it moves to the other bell. The battery was set up in eighteen forty and has been running for one hundred and seventy years straight it has been estimated that the bell has produced ten billion rings since it started. Eventually the battery will run out, but each movement into the clapper is extremely small as is the amount of charge involved. In eighteen seventy, two Lord Calvin set up an apparatus and Glasgow University to test the diffusion of liquids he created to seventeen and a half foot tall glass tubes in a lecture theatre. In one, he put a blue copper sulfate solution at the bottom and then topped off the tube with water in the other key put at the bottom and then topped it off with a red colored alcohol. The tubes have been left alone for one hundred and forty eight years. Renovations to the room have built a walled off compartment for the tubes and no one has touched it. It isn't really inactive experiment is there's no custodian and no one is taking measurements, but the liquids are still diffusing. There's one more atrop- experiment that was rediscovered at Aberystwyth University in Wales experiment actually dates back to nineteen thirteen before the Queensland experiment, but it was completely forgotten for over a century. The pitching this experiment hasn't budged over a century. It has only moved a few millimeters and hasn't even gone out of the funnel yet it's estimated it might take one thousand, three hundred years for the first drop to fall. Executive producer of everything everywhere daily is James McCulloch. Special. Thanks to everyone who supports the show over on patron. Please remember to leave a review over on apple podcasts. Even a simple review can really help the show get discovered in the Sea of other podcasts that are out there.

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Radiant Pearl Living-RPL Live Intro Ep1

Radiant Pearl Living-RPL Live with Stacy Zant

05:33 min | 1 year ago

Radiant Pearl Living-RPL Live Intro Ep1

"Welcome to the Arabian Paralympian forecast. Where you will hear fearless stories to nurture your dreams and inspire you to leave a radium lifestyle? You love now. L. Here's your host stays calm to episode one of radiant pro. Living Brady and Pearl. Living is a podcast. AST that is focused on finding and operating in your purpose and passion. It's a place where we bridge the gap between the younger generation and the woman wisdom through telling multigenerational stories that inspire this this show was birthed out of a passion to build community and bring together radiant pearls all over the world. It is my desire to see multigenerational stories that inspire be brought to the forefront of our conversations daily weekly monthly yearly and so this passion has brought forth an opportunity an opportunity opportunity for you to hear the stories starting from everyday conversations between mothers and daughters to in-depth of conversations with business owners and radiant Parnell's core able to unmask and peel the layers in their lives their experiences that show us what it means to be radiant Pearl a radiant Pearl In progress and so I'm excited to take you along on this journey as you will listen to future episodes that will bring a a variety of radiance to your life and so take that time when you have the opportunity to sit down. Listen and to take your notes to pull out your radiant Pearl Planner or your journal that you may have created and one of our lives together as we are a creative of community that is always creating developing growing striving and blossoming flourishing rushing into the radiant pearl. We've always been destined to be to live the dream and to live a radiant life. You love. Who is a radiant Pearl? Radiant Pearl is one who is always always striving progressing and moving forward passionately. She knows when to be still when to be content in the season that she's in until she hears his voice then she proceeds by carefully fleet considering her past and looking to the future. What is radiant Pearl Living? It is a place where you you will thrive where you will learn from stories that not only inspire but gives Hans all and tips to conquer your day Eh and accomplish your purpose with passion. Do you know how people lack proper planning and time management skills to make make their dreams and business success a reality. I'm here to help provide a winning solution as S. A.. Planner an artist a designer and business coach. So I implore you today to take the time to listen to our upcoming episodes that will be brought to you weekly on radiant Pearl Living. RPO Live with. Stacy see sand. I would love to have you review the episodes that you take the time to listen to let us know your thoughts so that we can share your review on future episodes connect also with me on social media from our facebook group to our facebook page stacy's create to instagram where we will share stories that you've taken the time I tag us two or utilizing hashtag radiant Pearl living or Hashtag. RPI APPEA- L live. We also would like to invite you to join text group on the flick. APP also linked the show notes that is at radiant per living dot com. The code to join if you're just driving and listening and would like to joy joy when you get the moment opportunity to do so our code is are pl network. Thank you for listening to Radio Pearl living with Stacey Sand. I look forward to connecting with you and helping you live a radiant life. You love visit us at radiant Pearl Living Dot com Tom Slash plan.

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Edward Parnell

Monocle 24: Culture with Robert Bound

29:21 min | 1 year ago

Edward Parnell

"Monocle on culture is brought to you association with the Wool Mart Company on Monocle on Culture Robert Bandini guests discuss us what is the interest in one stop shop for lively reports and in depth interviews on the newest and finest in art film books and Media at the Bouma company we are just as passionate about the curation of the perfect wardrobe fashioned from the most versatile sustainable all round fog will the potential and innovative nature of Australian Merino wool s Senate move away from the confines of traditional tailoring home knits its rise in popularity as saying the world's best design as turn the Nobu fiber into luxurious knitwear high-performance sportswear and audience that stand the test of time Gerbil naturally soft and unbreathable and resistant to odor crisis in UvA rise it's little wonder then that research find Nielsen into the wardrobes of thousand global consumers showed that woolen autumn's were among the most durable piece of clothing that people on staying in their wardrobes for longer and clothing made from other Hello and welcome to Monaco on culture I'm rebound on this program again to meet the author Edward Parnell his new book ghost land is a beguiling mix of memoir travelogue nature writing and literary journey to the life and work of writers with partial for the supernatural from the Ghost Stories of M R james to Conan Doyle's was known homes entails to Alan Garner's Cheshire wg say belt suffered the folk horror of the wicker man and the strange stories of Road Aikman and many more more a real lot more in fact that encompass myths local ghost stories film and TV and some lonely walks through churchyards but panels book he's moving the tool through a spooky literary landscape is also look at his own family's sad history both of his parents died before their time followed soon afterward by by his beloved older brother and nells diving into scary stories seems like an unlikely sort of therapy to this seems a good time to publish a book that searches for the strange not only are we just between Halloween and Guy Fawkes night that time when the spirit world it be closer to the human one than at any other but the fashion for new wave of folk horror and nature writing that looks at the readiness of nature in tooth and Claw Rav the purely pastoral is on the rise as well so to talk about ghost land here is Edward Edward thank you so much for joining us today a thoroughly enjoyed getting to grips with ghost land only to strip it right back to the the beginning for you you right so entertainingly about sort of watching public information films and I think some vhs on your TV yeah of your formative views of the spooky perhaps before the written word with TV and things like this tell us how you you got into the Spooky World I think thing I was always into it at least that's the sort of family legend on a on a holiday to Wales when I was about four I I famously asked the tour guide in Cavan Castle whether whether we might see the ghost that was the spectra lady that was said to haunt the place we didn't see it so after that I was yeah I remember I had had an US born in a W H Smith Book of horror films was full of these fantastic old stills from will all the universal pictures all those kind of things and a few more kind of way out there lurid ones as well so I wanted to see all of those films and often actually I did gets the most slightly disappointed because those still the best things in a lot of those mirrors but we didn't I remember before we had vhs my aunt and uncle had one so this would have been kind of I guess start of the eighties so I often got her to video me things she quite likes horror as well as think but she she would video stuff off TV so again this would have been kind of classic Bela Lugosi kind of staff so I watched that but gradually managed to get her to video of the stuff that I probably shouldn't shouldn't have been watching things like the weaker man and I remember getting my older cousin to get term an American Werewolf in London out of the realm screening of that at school like a private school and that was that was terrifying still still lives me to this day the scene in the woods transforms himself in the hospital bed absolutely absolutely terrifying we clearly shouldn't be watching eleven of all those false awakening bits with the Nazis on they they weren't good and I remember I watched that and I was stopping ran my aunts and uncles that evening and I couldn't get to sleep on my uncle snored quite loudly which was a little bit where wolf-like and that wasn't wasn't a great experience but I love the film and then of course went back to this sort of feeds into it this is your kind of young imaginings and awakenings the rest of it I had similar books to these when I was growing up I kind of found it quite difficult she look at these these pitches I love you went carbon also wanted to see the next you kind of do and you I don't like like I suppose that's that's the success of a lot of the material that you talk about in Ghost land is that is the is the thrill of wanting to see just enough to be scared but not enough to be absolutely petrified do you still have the same reaction to some of what we might call set texts of which will talk in a minute but do you have the same reaction into them are you the satisfaction of being frightened by these things or the air of eerie notice that surrounds them so they have the same thrill for you now as I did as a as a kid I think I think they do I think there's not that many things I read that well I suppose reading you don't get those jump out sort of scares than get whilst whilst watching something on the telly or or movie but certainly when I was researching and writing Ghoslan I reread the haunting of Hill House spy Shirley Jackson and I think that was the one thing that I really found quite uncomfortable reading and I know sort of going to sleep I was sort of the yeah not sure is that annoys two downstairs that that that got me for some particular reason the other things I kind of liked the way they're put together and I am as you were so hinting I love I love the atmosphere perhaps more I think that's the thing that now attracts me as much as anything else but certainly that did it for me again yeah and the book is such a wonderful mixture of other whether they're happy or unhappy bedfellows but you mix them two together so well a mixture of of this exposition this looker especially British spooky stories ghost stories weird fiction and nature writing and personal memoir you write very movingly about how you lost your parents your brother how did it come to pass this that you wrote the book in the way that you have that you've melded these things together so so successfully that it's difficult balancing actor too today well the book came around in quite an interesting way because I was a written one own book before a novel called the listeners which is class Gothic World War Two novel and I was I was procrastinating I guess messing around not writing another novel and just casting around for ideas I went with a friend of mine to wear 'em Jane's the Victorian Born Ghost story writer where he spent his formative years a little village called Great Liderman just outside bracing Edmunds in Suffolk and it's a it's an odd place as they strange Thamel lagoon of ruined church over the other side of it used to be a a grand hall in James's Day that sort of inspired him a little bit I think that's no longer there so I was casting around thinking for ideas and I was thinking about novel that might feature Jane's kind of bit part character in his Cambridge professorial guides but after I after I got home I wrote I just wrote a sort of a a blog piece about it basically Steve Lots of photos and editor harpercollins happened to see it's getting contact with me to ask whether it ever thought about writing a nonfiction book about the subject so of course I went obviously went down to meet him and we got on really well we bonded over a love of trashy movies things like that fairly terrible terrible although quite entertaining psycho mania is strange seventies Zombie Bicocca totes play strange part in that film some reason call so so I mean I'm not sure I can't remember now whether they're licking the toads in a sort of cane toad way yeah it's just an odd film it's not let's not go into that too much because we'd be all day trying to decode it but yes so I then went away thinking well would I like to ride a nonfiction book about it and I suppose I hadn't thought about tackling that subject before in that manner and then you have to kind of thing well how would I do it and I guess I was conscious that there's lots of academics probably knew a a lot more about the writers I'd be interesting talking about a lot more than I did so I wanted to them bringing the personal and it kind of struck me when the more I thought about it that lots the locations that happen to have an influence on some of the people that I wanted to write about that they kind of tied in with old family memories as well so there are places that we'd been on on family holidays like to the Suffolk coast which ties in with James as well as two people like see all of you in a related fashion awesome walking in Suffolk holidays through the new forest where there's lots of links to where Arthur CONAN doyle had his his holiday home which had where he he carried out various spiritual things with his Mesopotamia in spirit guided financial family holidays we re such psycho geographically dividend and so I guess I looked for those coincidences and found them but it seemed a good way to kind of also get into trying to tackle my own past I guess also in a kind of Mo James Wade sort of well it was there buried decided perhaps perhaps wisely or unwisely to it was time to go rooting around in there and you draw parallels I mean of see not just in terms of the geography you you were born and brought up and I still think you live in Norfolk Yup and the flatness of that landscape has inspired you certainly in the beginning of Ghozlan talk a lot about that and about the echo of the Mr James's landscape he lived in Suffolk Suffolk the next county down similar landscape I suppose how much is landscape affected or inspired your book and the and the books of the novelist the east side yeah I think landscapes a big factory my books I grew up in the fans at she in Lincolnshire on the Mike Grandmother lived in Norfolk so where I lived it with this kind of flat steroidal beak fields landscape which I know a lot of people I think find quite unearthing to me it's it's it's what I grew up with so I don't think do particularly but I was kind of enchanted by those slightly rolling hillsides and woodland's in West Norfolk where my grandmother some of the lived there were trees that you could go off in and there were lots of legends around the village you know there's something called the devils pit that was meant to be bottomless and all sorts of kind of little bits of folklore and things that tied in with various things so I was always kind of conscious of of landscape playing a big part and when you you look the works of Jane's and you can you can see absolutely there so when you walk round great live near where he grew up in the graveyard five yard where his father was vicar there's lots of gravestones bearing the name of mother soul who's the the terrible witch in the story the ashtray he obviously that kind of old park land landscape that would have been around there before the the big house was destroyed that's also in lots of that's really familiar thing in his stories but but then you you go to the the surf coast and there's a whistle come to you and this is kind of a warning to the curious they're also tied in with the adaptations which was how I first came to in sort of seeing those nineteen seventies made adaptations. Yeah these rich strand of British TV wasn't as play for today the reality of things that were short stories spooky stories that seems to be such a kind of sort of motherlode of Spooky S- going on there that was easily translatable or walls also there's an appetite for it to be translated onto TV much more so than there is today you look at a lot of TV and film in your bookers as much as short stories the things

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Oreo: a 100-year success story with Justin Parnell

Marketing Today with Alan Hart

48:59 min | 1 year ago

Oreo: a 100-year success story with Justin Parnell

"Marketing today is going live on Wednesday November thirteenth. I want you to join me in Durham North Carolina I interviewed two amazing Marketers Jake. Sore of men. CMO At pendo a newly minted Unicorn Company at a Billion Dollar Valuation and Jim Geeky his partner at one better ventures and has had stints at birt's bees among other consumer focused companies. So I hope you can join me. Wednesday November thirteenth live in Durham North Carolina with marketing today to register. Go to marketing today. PODCASTS DOT com slash event. Don't I can't wait to see you. In Person. Marketing today is sponsored by light matter. Have you ever wondered how fast growth companies seemed to build topnotch software applications so quickly or have you ever struggled to get your own companies you X.. And Apt to deliver the awesome customer experience. You were going for. Yeah I've been there. That's where light matter matter comes in my minor acts as a direct extension of design and development teams at some of the world's top companies. Whether your company needs a website or an APP. They can help the New York Times Bloomberg Code Academy McCann and dozens of others already. Trust them check them out at light matter DOT com. That's L. I. I G. H. T. M. A. T. T. E. R. DOT COM. Tell him say for all of us. It's it's about predicting where the consumer's going and getting cap of it right. One of the things you want to do is create ads that don't suck uh-huh embracing chains creates great possibility my Mellon Heart. This is marketing today today on the show of Got Justin Parnell. He's the head of brand for Oreo. The senior director on the Oreo Brand Monda lease and today on the show. We talk about a lot of things really the CPG survive in center store and grocery which is where oreo primarily is sold. I mean they've had it. So how how do they survive. And not only survive but thrive. They're growing coming with strong single digit growth overall Mondays and High single digit growth on the OREO brand itself. An Orioles one hundred year old cookie. Frankly so how do you maintain relevance as culture changes as your consumer base changes over time. And how do you continue to innovate so we talk a lot about a lot of different ideas campaigns that they've had how they're treating those things and we also touch on some trickier business Issues like zero based budgeting and how. Mondays is actually successful using that approach versus others. That we've heard about in the news if you will like Craft hines WHO's had huge writedowns with their brands with the acquisitions have been made. I hope you enjoy this. wide-ranging conversation with Justin Parnell. Just welcome to the show. Thanks for having me yes We've got a lot to talk about in the I'd love to start with your background and where you started your career and what what's been your path towards towards Mondays absolutely so I started my career in advertising out of college. A account executive at grey advertising where I worked on the EMINEM Mars account and while I was there I I found myself very curious about what was going on in my clients world. I'd often Pick their brains on day to day operations of a brand what makes a product innovation successful. And and so on so all that curiosity city sorta led me back to business school in an after Grad minding my graduate degree. I joined Kraft Foods in Chicago where I started as A junior brand manager on craft Pasta Salads. which I don't even know if it still exists today but It was a wonderful first brand to start on and then from there nights or work my way off my work. My way up at craft on on various brands from Jello Miracle Whip Salad Dressings and after leaving craft briefly for a stint at Kellogg's in Michigan and their cereal division I rejoined craft just before we actually split it from what we know. Today is Kraft Foods Kraft Heinz when we created mondelez global snacking company and that was about seven in years ago and It's been exciting journey. At Monday's. I've had the opportunity to lead global innovation for our crackers portfolio which includes brands like Ritz to outside of the US to leaving the Global Oreo brand. Currently I'm leading the Oreo brand in the US. US which is about one and a half billion dollar brand and my team and I are responsible for brand building innovation in the day to day commercial operations the brand just going from advertising to CPG whether were there any pivotal twist along the way whether there's different companies or different brands that you worked on. I actually I'd say in my career. My my biggest pivotal twist was actually getting into the advertising ising business which is a tough one for a Florida boy debris into and so I'd say my pivotal twist came early on I I was actually After graduating college you know I had really wanted to work in advertising and I was like I said I was in in Florida the Tampa Bay area and it was hard to sort of break into the the industry and I actually had a job job lined up to work for Pepsi Selling Beverages directly the grocery and convenience stores in about two weeks before my start date. I got a call from grey advertising in New York City about a job on on their team. It was like it was like a dream. Come true for me. So I picked up and moved from Tampa to Manhattan. And that was I think the most pivotal experience in my in my journey honestly was right from the start. I just I found my passion for marketing. I love the industry. I really felt like the luckiest guy in the world to be making thirty. Thirty thousand dollars in Manhattan at the time but it was It was a really exciting time and like I just said I. Once I got into advertising it was really early. Learning from my clients About their world in what they were experiencing on the brand management side that led me to pursue a job in it in brand management and I never had a specific necessarily interested in CPG. It was more like I just wanted to be on the brand side and kind of be challenged with not just communications but the day to day operations and how do we build sustainable long-term brands that that's what kind of let me back to to business. School and to pursue a role in brand management awesome. Awesome well you know. That's that is quite the move to get from Tampa Manhattan Manhattan and luckily. You're young enough. Where he joined the pain of the thirty thousand dollars trying to live in Manhattan? Ah at the time I did. I didn't have anything to compare it to so it was a it was a wonderful journey. That's awesome awesome. Well you know. Many big consumer packaged gives brands are struggling today. in in the Grocery Channel in particular center store is especially hard competition from private label got increasing kind of challenge retail environment from what I call her discounters on those early all deer trader. Joe's and Mondays you guys. They seem to be fairing very well. despite the headwinds. You've got strong organic growth an Oreo in particular. I think he's got high single L. digit growth of about that. We've got that right at least a little bit and To my question I guess is more questions like How does the CPG brand not just survive but grow in an environment like yeah? It's a challenge but it's one we all have to take on and I think I'd start by saying it's it's about staying relevant the brands that are winning in the J. C. P. G. Space. I think continued to evolve volve based on how consumer lifestyles are shifting. How consumer needs changing? You see that in how they're evolving their products in their portfolio. Oh you see it in how. They're changing and experimenting with new ways to connect with consumers. You know based on how the media landscape is changing so I think think dislike not being afraid of of change in actually taking it head-on in an effort to stay relevant is really what separating. Those is brands that are succeeding from those that are struggling. I think also Importantly is a part of that. I think that the brands that are doing really well. Place a premium on being the distinctive. We all consumers are being bombarded by messages in today's world and I think the brands that are providing entertaining entertaining disruptive content are standing out in in really earning the precious attention of consumers. I've actually heard the CEO at our advertising agency. The Martin Agency Kristen Cavallo's to set a couple times too that it's not a it's not enough to be right right can be ignored and I. I love that because so many brands are doing a lot of the right things but in a world where consumer indifference is at an all time high we really have after two to fight invisibility. We have to fight to get noticed. And that's so important in it. It hits home for me as it should any sort of modern day marketer that we can't just have great strategies in great insights we have to be able to execute them in a way that drives disruption can be distinctive. And that's something. We're certainly trying to do on Oreo. And then finally I mean super important is I think brands have to be evolving based on how. Oh consumers are buying products you know I think particularly in in the CPG world. We're seeing major ships in channels consumers are buying more more and more online there Turning to click and collect right. Where they're they're buying you know they're they're picking up directly from the store more on that's going to continue to evolve and change and I think the winning brands are going to be those that are really kind of on the forefront of that that change in how consumers are buying Branson products interesting interesting Couple followups potentially but before I go there you've been you know you've been leading being Oreo brand for a number of years. It's one hundred year old cookie at the end of the day right. It's a out cookie and you guys have. It's unbelievable ability to maintain your cultural relevance as a cookie. And how do you do that. How how does how does a cookie not be culturally relevant? I guess it's a good question It's been a effort from teams over. I think many decades that have of that have done made the right decisions that that have enabled us to maintain relevancy which is hard for one hundred zero brand. I start by saying we've continued to sort of our portfolio in expanded to to meet consumer needs so while that iconic you know black and white sandwich which cookie is the classic and it will continue to be our best selling product and it's really the signature of the brand. If you look at what we offer consumers. Today it's a wide array choices for different occasions life state stages Or preferences so you know take take for instance. We have oriole minis in which appeals to families with younger kids who want a convenient on the go snack something. That's easy to kind of take with you in the cars. You're running off to baseball practice or the tar lesson on the other end of the spectrum you know. One of our most successful innovations in the past decade has been Oreo thins which appeals to more to adults who love Oreo. But they're looking for sort of a lighter as we say more permissible a bit more sophisticated. Oreo if view will in so you can kinda see how our portfolio's evolved to really offer our fans like the Oreo that they they love. They desire this ir based on whatever Kinda life stage. They're at so we really we talk about. We WanNa grow with them and we need to make sure Of course we're always crazy. Hey those moments with the classic cookie that they they yearn for and they love but also kind of have the right product pack format in inexperienced that they need so. I think that that's that's super important. I would also say you know it was just talking about relevancy and the importance of you know getting noticed in Connecticut connecting with consumers humor's in a meaningful way that has also been a big priority for us if you look over just the last decade. I think we've been pretty aggressive breath about establishing a strong social presence. We were one of the pioneering brand. I'd say connecting with consumers the real time time always on marketing in in the social space. You kind of think back at our super bowl dunk in the dark post or the daily twist which we did to celebrate our hundredth uh-huh birthday back in two thousand twelve. Those are examples of I think really trying to lead the way is brands. Were figuring out social. Today we're continuing to evolve how we connect with consumers and in fact just last week we launched our first voice activated program with Amazon's Alexa so customers immerse can now ask Alexa asked directly. What's new with Oreo? And they'll they'll hear the latest news about the brand including new flavor launches or product innovations and they can actually order oreos directly from an Amazon through the voice interveiws. So it's pretty cool for us. We actually want to explore later. Alan you can ask Amazon about the mystery. Oriole flavor that we just launched and she will give you some clues so it's just a cool way to engage with our fans on an ongoing basis to keep them excited about About our products and the last thing I would say on this because I think there's an important lasts less component era bound how we've maintained. Eighteen cultural relevance is tapping into the passion points of our fans in what's happening in culture. Some of our biggest successes S.'s lately have been when we latch onto. What are fans care most about so an example earlier this year is when we launched? Game of thrones Oreo which included specially designed oreo cookies based on the houses vying for the iron throne of course. Is You know that was a really a cultural phenomenon on and we we launched the product with a recreation of the famous opening credits of game of thrones. We made out of nearly three thousand Oreo oriole cookies and it was just a massive hit among the fans of Oreo Anna. In the fans of game of thrones so I think it's That's just one example. But we've done a lot of that over the years of kind of really scouring what's happening in in culture that our fans are going to be talking about that Oriole can sort of add a playful twists to and That's been a really a key element of our strategy to keep our fans engaged in this one hundred year old brand. I love it I love it. And I'm glad you mentioned the game of thrones A and I need to go ask Alexa about this. Mystery Flavor. Apparently IAGO go go. Try it I want to hear your guess in all this talk about Oreos. I'm going to have to hit the convenience store on the way home to that. A little six pack pat. But one thing that I've always come admired Mondays for the last number of years really really is the focus or the. I don't know if it's a focus but just the ability to to have inclusion diversity at the core of some of your campaigns pains. Oreo is known from the you know the Rainbow Cookie from years ago to honey made maybe a little bit more recently. But how do you think about incorporating diversity inclusion into your brand's story in it could go so badly and we've seen the in other brands in the marketplace. But you guys always seem to pull it off So I'm just curious how you think of You know it inclusivity. The it's a core part of who we are. You know I think Were America's favorite cookie. And you know I think with that you know we. We have a responsibility to be representative of the audience that we serve. You know. We're a brand that is for everyone beloved by by most and I think it's really recognizing that we serve an incredibly diverse population and we know it will continue to be more and more diverse. I was actually just in a A trends needing last week in a stat was shared that over half of generations e R rational racial or ethnic minorities so you just see the shifts in our our demographic that are happening and like I said it's so important that that brands are representative and that we as a brand new representative of that population moving forward. We actually talk a lot on Oreo about families as you as you might Imagine and it's it's so fascinating to hear consumers talk talk about we ask them like what is a family today and the whole idea of sort of a typical like nuclear family. It's not even so relevant event to people they can't even relate to it. The modern family is it comes in all different forms and from the predominance of single families to same sex parents for instance. You're seeing more and more grandparents playing an active role in parenting. So even like as we think about the types of moments that Oreo is consumed in and what is actually defines family. It has evolved so much over the last mummy the last decade plus. It's going to continue to it ball. So it's I I think for us You know it's it's about really continuing to recognize that that we have to you really understand this audience and Be True to this audience and serve them in the right way and you know I think for us. It's like one thing that really I believe that we as marketers have can make an impact on the world and setting getting a tone for greater inclusivity representation an example. I think we're sharing with you is earlier this year. You might be familiar. We launched our new campaign instate playful and we did it with hip hop artist wiz Khalifa and his five-year-old son Sebastian and I was actually surprised by all the praise attention we received for featuring a black father and his son in the kind of moment that we were portraying and I think it was most proud when Sean combs uh-huh or P. Diddy as he's otherwise known as tweeted out and he actually saluted oreo forgetting the narrative right and showing the love between black fathers and their sons and he went on to. It's so important needed in this world and and it was interesting because we didn't actually set out to make that point. We were just telling genuine story of a father and his son on that happens to be representative of a segment of our audience but it reinforced to me. How important it is to not like fall into stereotypes in really be true to the audience that that we serve and and so my advice to my team in any other marketers that we have to continue to embrace diversity? Understand this consumer base you know be representative and I'd say not only in how we market but also in D. representative in the teams that we built not in our companies and in our brands in the partners we seek out you know we need to ensure that were being representative across the board. And so I think you know to neither. It's it's certainly a passion point for me and I think it's something that we will continue to do on Oreo and I would encourage you know peers in the industry to do and I think we're making strides as an industry and find the other thing I would say. Is You know it's interesting. I think we've evolved quite a bit our thinking around multicultural marketing getting. I'm doing air quotes that you can't see but but I think you know we used to think about multicultural. Marketing as a certain part of our media marketing plants right. It's sort of thing that you do. In addition to your general market plan and I think that is such an outdated idea. We are marketing to a multicultural world. The the general market is multicultural. And we have to shift our mindset accordingly. So everything that we're doing is with the lens of this very diverse and you know and diverse varied market that we serve so right. I think it probably at the heart of what makes you successful. What you just said? which is you know reflecting back if you will modern day society Putting it through some sort of filter lens so to speak in my world Reflecting who people are so I applaud you for your efforts hurts because it it comes off great even when you like you described even when you. You're not really setting out to make a point just by inclusion year you're able to to benefit from that right and In other people are as well from seeing themselves reflected in your campaigns. So that's awesome so one. I know digital marketing. Obviously is I almost hate using the word digital marketing these days because it's it's just marketing it's another form. It's another factor. They get so much airtime lately and I know you guys are doing a lot in the area so just curious what. What's the latest uh-huh that you're working on and You know any any thoughts about how marketers should be thinking about using those tools. Yeah I think that the biggest change change that we've made in the last twelve months. We recognize that we had to make a big shift in our Capability or ways of working to do like really great always on digital marketing for lack of a better word and so we Set up a dedicated team. mm-hmm in in East Hanover. Our headquarters of social strategist and content creators to be. Eli scouring the social landscape for trending topics that may be relevant to our brand to understand how consumers or chatting about us how influences winces or chatting about us an actively responding to consumers. And it's something. It's not to say that we weren't doing this. I mean we had been doing it for for years but I think gets the the level of the scale that which we're doing it now and the intention that we have to really be more you know engage in what's happening minute by minute and have the right resources team in place to respond has been a big shift Russ in in the last twelve months and the results have been outstanding. I mean we've seen our earned impressions engagement skyrocket and I think I'd say from a very strong base as you know we weren't. We weren't starting off in our infancy by any by any means but I think being able to be more responsive to respond respond to more consumers on a bigger scale has been pretty game changing for us in it's something we're continuing to learn and refine as we move forward so I think that that's been sort of a big ship to Russ. I'd also like I gave the example of voice activation. I think we're continuing to challenge ourselves and our partners on how will consumers continue to how they continue to evolve even changed in terms of how they connect with with brands. And what are the things that we need to be experienced experimenting with in placing bets on the so that were were on kind of forefront of those changes in in how consumers will engage in the futures that doesn't always on that's kind of a mindset that we adopt that. We're we're always kind of curious and we're always asking questions about how the the markets can evolve I think learning about what are the new platforms platforms or companies out there that are leading the way and how consumers will engage in the future. And like I said the word experiment. That's really important for us that we're continuing to try new things and some will fail but some will pay dividends as we move into the future. It's awesome awesome and to be twenty four seven like you said earlier at. That's not that's a hard thing for big companies to do Just because of the you know the natural inclinations of approvals and things like that that happened inside any tips on how you're able to do that. Yes I think the probably the biggest unlock has been working with our corporate affairs in legal teams to divine sort of a rules of the road like what type of topics or responses require a more rigorous approval process verses what we can just give our social strategists and content creators liberty to react in real time so there are gonna be those those issues that come up where we need to be much much more comprehensive in our in our thoughts and our approaches to how we respond to ensure that we're reacting in the most appropriate way but there's most of the most of the opportunities out there in the social world. We can respond really quickly on and we don't need to kind of have all the the red tape so to speak. So I think it's been putting in in place protocols within our organization in with our agency partners that enable speed and there's really clear ways of working and I think that has probably been one of the biggest enablers to increasing our kind of volume of of social engagement. Interaction out there. All right okay. Good will your. We've talked about this but you're a hundred year old cookie brand You're constantly trying to. I'm sure reinvigorate. The new consumer humor if you will the younger groups that are coming in Like most most companies are chasing that demographic and seems to be doing it really well so it curious like what's working for you to track those younger younger demographics. Yeah we're super proud of the stat. I have to share it that we're the number one food and beverage ever spread among generations the According to why pulse in Google survey that came out. So that's something we're super proud of and and it's because we're we are. You're a hundred plus year old brand and you know we have this wide array of appeal from you. Know boomers all the way to to to Gen Z.. As we think thank you know particularly about what's what's really working with Gen Z.. I I would say it starts from this place. They crave experiences like they want they. They they want to try the new thing and share it on social media and talk about it. They've Kinda thrive on variety in news and so We've we've lived literally given them. You know new experiences through our product so so we turn out limited edition Oreos throughout the year and they are particularly. Well I think they're they're hit across our our audience but particularly among Gen z's and we have a high bar. We WanNA make sure that every product that we put out is delivering either in on trend flavor or some kind of unexpected surprising experience Some examples include One of my favorites is fireworks. Oreo where we actually put up rocks candy in a in the oreo cream. So we said you know like we've done the whole July fourth you know summer celebration kind of flavors. What can we really do to kind of up the bar and make it more exciting like pop rocks in the cream so we just launched moon landing Oreo to celebrate the innovator history of the Apollo landing on the moon and for that we we had a marshmallow cream in our first glow in the dark packaging? Of course I talked talked earlier about partnerships. Were will do things. Like game of thrones oreos that kind of taps into a big entertainment property or cultural moment. That's happening so so. Those are the types of things that we continue to do to engage our product. We always say we're playful brand and we're playful with the world. Alden courage the world to be playful with US I think important part of that is actually being playful with our product. And so so I think you know Jen's ears in particular. They just love when we do this I think. Also it's being active like we were just talking about social media like creating the right process internally in resource structure structure internally that enables us to be active always in social media. They expect France to be authentic to be responsive they want content that is unique and engaging so. We're working hard to to continue to do that. And I think you know we have to be cool. The end of the day like our creative than like what we put out in the market. It has they have to. They've got A. They've got a strong filter for what is like cool and genuine. And what's not and so so we. We spent a lot of time thinking about. Are we making the right decisions. In terms of the products that we're delivering the types of communications that were putting out in the market the types of properties that were partnering with or celebrities that we're using we've really Kinda WanNa make sure that it has kind of cool will crackhead among this audience that is going to build and and sort of our brand equity. I mean There's probably been I'd say at least fifteen or twenty ideas that you've thrown out that you've executed. Where are you eating all of these ideas? They're from all over. We've had ideas come from fans we've had ideas come from our retail partners. Of course agency partners we have great agency partners that bring us a lot of ideas but I would say it's really developed kind of culture that embraces ideas and creativity and I think that's super important. Wouldn't that people no matter where you are functionally or what level. You're you feel that you can share ideas openly in something that we really pride ourselves on on I mentioned flavors because I think that's a very I think specific we do Oreo flavors or limited editions. That is we have a very specific perfect. I think model in place there because we always have to be churning out new flavors. It's really a big part of our commercial and sales plans so in that case we've dedicated a fully resource team. Whose job is just a gen up exciting new flavors idea idea so it's a team of marketers? Here's a product developers researchers and they're closely monitoring trends in the culinary world from kind of what are the emerging new dessert flavors vers- Interesting combinations that are happening in this team will prototype in screen over fifty ideas per year and then after pretty rigorous testing though land in about a dozen that will hit the market in a given year and some of those will be permanent flavors. Some of them will be Kinda Limited editions that are in the market for four to six weeks but in that case we needed to ensure that we had like a very defined kind of model team in place that could be able to continue to develop new new ideas year on year in that were exciting to our retailers and consumers but I would say across the board were always kind of we're we're always challenging ourselves for interesting idea and I would say our our our issue is not ideas cut. My issue is more like oh my gosh. There's so many ideas like you know. How do we prioritize the right ones and go chase that and not lose focus? I think that's probably more of the conversations that we have on a day-to-day basis. Let's say it's a good place to be a good place to be well. You know you met. You've mentioned a couple of times and I know that you mentioned a couple times the Changing the product itself as well Whether the packaging change or whether it's a new flavor or new imprint cookie itself you know that can be really tough especially in manufacturing for. You've got lines that have to be changed when you WANNA make a big change So but you've been able to capitalize on this stuff really quickly. So like game of thrones think I may have this wrong but I wanna say it was like a three month window that you had that you could epilogues on that. So how do you do this so fast. Yeah I think you're right. On game of thrones that was probably our our our fastest speed to market in all time and we were able to commercialize it in about three months which is sort of unheard up. We try not to do that. I would say we we we we try to plan for the best we. Can we try to plan out and but we WANNA be reacted when a great idea comes to us that we that we really can't say no to. We Wanna be able to have the ability to react in the most impactful way and and so we have sort of set up a process that enables us to be more agile and we kind of have the fast track lane on the highway that we can put projects Exxon where we actually defined. Okay if we want to effect the product itself here the timelines like the the the minimum timelines if we WANNA on a change the cookie or develop new cream or developing package innovation. So we've gotten actually very specific about from like a toolkit standpoint around what what types of changes we can make based on the time. Line that we're looking at and we. We really challenged ourselves to take out barriers in in the process of developing new new new items to say like how can we speed things up. You know with our suppliers internally and it that's been important for us because sometimes legacy companies most people can relate to this right like over time. You just kind of have a way that you've done things for years and years and years and a lot of times incidentally because we've had an opportunity we've had to challenge all of those norms and now we're trying to say okay we know these opportunities muser content GonNa continue to come so let's go ahead and challenge them now and have fast track processes in place that will enable us to be faster than than our competitors and ultimately deliver things that consumers will love. And so I I really give a hand to our teams that have have continued to kind of push ourselves on. How do we evolve kind of our commercialization timelines and processes to get to market even faster a little bit? I WanNa ask you one. More question came up earlier in my mind. A want to circle back to Talking about business in changing business processes and things like that And Zero based budgeting has gotten a lot of play especially with Kraft Heinz. And I don't want you to have to comment on that but I believe Mondays. At least starkly has used zero based budgeting approaches in. Just curious like you guys are so successful right and then you see other are examples that maybe are less successful is. Is there a way in which you the philosophy that you're taking to approach that that's different in in your mind than what you see everyone talking about in the murder yes. At the end of the day we're focused on our ally and that really is is the objective that we talk about right is that we want to your on your be increasing our return on marketing investment and the Halloween do that is Is is is sort of a canvas right so we don't. We don't necessarily say that it's every year we have to be driving out x amount in nonworking costs or this amount in media efficiency. Of course those are levers but we're really pushing ourselves to say if we develop a more impactful awful social media response model if we develop a stronger campaign for better limited edition model that can be your building black black to increase return on investment as a brand in so it hasn't just been about slashing costs it's really been about driving impact in certain areas. There might be fat. You know in our budgets that we can challenge but overall it's really about creating greater impact it's GonNa increase sales build our brand equity and that's really the focus I think with companies that have. I won't name them but I think where where it hasn't worked out so well is when it's it's a pure efficiency productivity play and that's been a challenge I would say for the industry right. We all kind of been pushed in that direction. And the it's not to say there wasn't some this is just my perspective is that there wasn't some value from that because it didn't make us challenge. Where maybe we had you know? Sort of lost sight of some some diligence around cost kind of challenge us to tighten our budgets but it helped in many cases to improve gross margins that help us go spend back in innovation in advertising but overall I think you know it's it's really about what are we gonna do to drive impact and and that's going to continue it to be the focus for us ongoing Willem Elim. I've got a few questions. I love to get to know the person behind all the business stuff we cover and so my first question I love asking is is there inexperience of your past. The fines are makes up. Who you are today? Yeah I I was a competitive gymnast. Growing up in. That was a really think. Formidable experience for me at gymnastics You could argue is a team sport. It's it's I'd say it's more of individuals for where it requires. Choirs will certainly. I learned a lot of the value of persistence and hard work. It's it it. I was training. You know twenty five hours a week Acre more you know In the gym I had a bunch of injuries that I had to work through. In my journey I was competing at a high level and it just constantly. We challenged me to stay diligent and focused on my goals and objectives. And I think that that has sort of stuck with me in my in my career life. It's you know I. I often lean back onto learnt the lessons. I learned while I was a gymnast. It really helped just for me to stay focused on being better day in and day out and help me work through adversity that I face. Yeah I can imagine i. It's a lot of grit to to to get through the days of long trainings and things like that for sure. Those lessons Feels you what keeps you going these days. I'm definitely my family fuels. May I have a wife a ten year old son and an eight year old daughter and so I love spending time with them actually my son and I just this past summer we joined a water skiing competition team in our in our town which is kind of unique. I would say never the water skiing competition team. But he was really passionate about it and He joined the team and halfway through the summer. They convince me to kind of get out there as well and it's something that we really have found a passion for and enjoy together in so I love getting out there with him and obviously we're in the fall now. So so that's that's coming to an end but that's been super fun. I just love watching my daughter. You know whether it be in dance or music or you know not taking taking my son out to the ball field all the stuff that really drives me and keeps me keeps me going day in and day out count. It will marketers. I in the beginning of students of what's going on around them in the world we've talked about cultural relevancy in one question earlier Are there any brands or companies or causes. The you follow or you think other people should be taking notice. A I think there's there's so much Happening sitting right now in the in the food world right and I think it's I can't I can't speak to a specific brand but I would say there. Some rand's friends happening that I certainly have my my eye on and I mean one of those is really how consumers it's been happening for a while but they're shifting getting from sort of the the old kind of paradigm of weight management to to health management so they have this broader definition of of wellbeing and that includes mental emotional spiritual wellbeing. And that's having a pretty big implications I would say for for for the food food industry And I I'm continuing. I'm very curious and continued. It's going to have my My pulse on what how that's going to evolve and I think people you know they're looking for new ways to sort of manage their diets to be more mindful in their lives and I think that's GonNa That's going to be a pretty big shift that we in the industry have to have to stay tuned into I'd also mentioned this earlier. I think the way people are buying is continuing to evolve. And I think you're of course. There's the giants like Amazon. That are are leading the way in that shift but also smaller players popping up that are providing new solutions for consumers Whether it be getting products in a more sustainable way through e commerce channels that seems that I think could have promise in the future that will certainly really make a change. I think food tech. Is You know. It's kind of a buzzword but I think there's a lot of innovation and new companies popping up around around food tech that could be could be very interesting. I think and Could could could be change agents in our industry. I think there's just a lot. I think just happening from a trend standpoint standpoint where you have smaller companies of experimenting based on those trends got it cool will have one idea for. Are you a and you can take it or leave it and I. I won't take any royalties. I promise in the mail saying that but you should you should partner with another guest. That's been on the show from my moti ice cream and come up with an Oriole MUCCI I always up for making a new connection action. So you'll have to get me I'll get you connected with Russell. Yeah he's a he's a great and I I I WANNA I wanNA oreo multi. So yes have to figure that out but last question for you serious no What do you feel? The Future of marketing is GONNA look like. That's a good question The the We're GONNA continue to see at the pacing. Today are not not faster. Kind of the media landscape evolve. I think we're GONNA see Channels of sales channels continue to evolve. I think it's going to happen. Dramatically dramatically and so. I think that's GonNa Change. We're going to have certainly advances and things like machine learning and and talk a lot about advances in programmatic and what that means for the TV moving forward. And I think those those are all going to be really big shifts for US I at the the end of the day. I think they're it. You just can't replace the importance of big ideas ideas in marketing. And I think were always going to be faced with New Ways to connect and engage our consumers but we always have to come back to you really brilliant marketing ideas. I mentioned earlier about the importance of being being disruptive and I think that comes out comes always comes back. Do you have an idea that is distinctive that consumers are GonNa find engaging and that there will be implications on how you deliver that message or engage interact with consumers but I think we always have to kind of keep our eye on You know we have great insights that lead to great ideas and that kind of gets back to the fundamentals of marketing. That I think are are tried and true and I think I mentioned it because I think sometimes we often talk about a huge changes ages that are going to happen and we can get really hammered by data and machine learning in all these different things those are those are those can can be means is to which we do our jobs really well but we. We can't lose sight on the importance of having great strategy in big ideas to drive. Drive our brands so I think as I think about the future of marketing brands that win will continue to be those brands that place importance on those and do it. You know a world-class way I feel like I should say amen. Thank you. Thank you It's been it's been enlightening to have you on and I I totally agree with you on You know not losing sight of the core fundamentals of marketing as we move forward in the future so thank you so much for coming on the show Justin. Thanks a lot Alan. I enjoyed it. I it's Alan again. Marketing today was created produced. By if you're new to marketing today ED please feel free to write us a review eighteen or your favorite listening platform. Don't forget to subscribe to tell your friends and colleagues about the show. I love to hear from listeners listeners. And you can contact me at marketing. Today PODCASTS DOT com there. You'll

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Drunken Responsibility (The Edge)

Velvet's Edge

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Drunken Responsibility (The Edge)

"Emerged twenty twenty one. Gd signature virtual event series starts april sixth with digital modernization explore the it services automation and managed services that power it enterprises here from top leaders in government and industry register at gd dot com slash emerge. Sometimes you need a good cry and we know just the podcast for that crying in public. A weekly podcast hosted by four twentysomething college women living in new york city follow along while they discuss growing up in a time where there's no distinction between what's public and private when you're hooking up with a guy what are your takes on keeping your socks off. It's funny it's enlightening. It's the crying in public podcast. Listen on the iheartradio app apple podcasts. Or wherever you got your podcasts. We need harm. Try it we. We work with artists artists. And when anyone says. Are you sure you're not a singer. I'm just going to reference this podcast love. What do you watching the the door today. And you go. Oh why are people so annoying. I mean like how the word today. It's three thirty. We're recording at three thirty and it feels like it should be eight thirty pm already. It's only wednesday t. We had to record early this because you're going out of town. Where are you going bring breaking. Oh meets you next week but not on a boat or it would break. We're going to the beat to my boyfriend. Boyfriend's mom has a house down there so on thirty april going down with traffic. I knew that yeah with the yeah. You did when we were there last summer. Not that anyone cares about this. I don't know why we're referencing really giving you guys back story. We're playing catch up. Yes we did have a scheduled catch up for this episode of the edge. Him registered trademark. Explaining tell me what your catch up moment like. What was your big moment. This week that she wanted to share with people. I mean it's by the way. I know we're trying to move away from casual but i have really had to act like i don't wanna just. We're not a band. So i feel like that's like abandoning small child baby. Yeah so i My doctor moved during the pandemic. So i i don't currently have. I didn't currently have my primary care physician to and i needed to go in this week for something actually yesterday for something i had to get like a new doctor and i go to the first medical center so th there's plenty of great doctors to choose from so i just picked a random girl. It's a guy. Parnell parnell the beginning of slow police. Oh no no. He's married God that would be amazing. Just like meet a doctor and fall in love with no. He's a straight man. But it was funny like i really liked to my old doctor. He was great. It was like really cool. But like i've been going to him for five years. I had never taken off my clothes ever going. Well he's taking me off guard. I mean they're all straight until they're just like he always like he asked questions and tact vitals and but he. I never had a real physical so age for a physical these. I mean you would think every her like this one was like once you hit forty. I mean an la had felt like i had physical. You did can. I sue for that or maybe that was fun for that. So this one. Like i mean. He came in hot with questions. Like tell us about the Actually i it was his assistant like he's like have you ever got a call. Oscar feels like. Where are we going with. This just came in for a very specific reason and that had nothing to do with my but just for the of the age thing so but then it became very clear that like this doctor is probably just a little bit more thorough than my last one so he might be a better doctor. I'm not gonna. I mean i. I think mother doctor was great. He's just like noninvasive. So but i mean you kind of leave. The doctor's office being like. I mean he wanted to be invaded like squat and cough. So anyway i went to jail. That's a story for another time. Medication called prep. Which is an anti itch told us that. Tell you the story about my mom. Finding out that i was on that. So he's going through my list of medications that i'm on. Its asthma medicine. I take assert every day because of my allergies my allergies and then prep and he was like you know. I'm gonna ask you some really personal questions. And i'm like okay. Find them on. You know your doctor and he was like who do you have sex. Men are men. And i was like but i mean that's like historical fact at this point because i've been sitting at home for the last year myself. That's myself myself anyway. So because of that and because i take that drug they have to do tests every like they like to do it. Like every four months is what he said just to make sure that my body is like reacting. Find it and then it was also like we're going to test you for Media and syphilis gonorrhea gonorrhea pill does not protect you from getting those and a lot of people do not have protected sex. Because they're on it because the only thing that they're scared of getting his aides you know a a lot of those of prep is now so prevalent and so many people are on it. Some of these diseases are like infections. Whatever they are a race like grow. What do you say they're. They're infecting more people because people are being more careless because sense you know. No one's scared of getting those some dumb reason. I don't want any of them but like those won't kill you so there's less of a fear so i had. He was saying he had to do a swab of my butt. And it was like nice to me like my other guy who never even saw me naked. I literally not clear this first. He he didn't an oral swab to like working to have to do a swab of your bottom to. He kept saying oh he was like. It's just the edge. We're not going in that. It is just the test tagline. Just just the us the edge. Oh my god. Let's pray about but that also reminds me of a story. My friend blaine lives in l. a. Once went to the doctor for something and the doctor had to stick his finger in planes but Lane blaine was like the doctor. Newborn was gay and the blame was like. Is it going to hurt. Is it big. Is it going to hurt. And the guy was like no more than dick you had in it last night. It was like a straight dog was so disarming. Go ahead do whatever you got. I saw a mean today speaking of that topic. That said the only time a man tries to give vince. A woman on his dick is small isn't when he's trying to put an interest. Yeah right you can do it. You can yes. That was my sort of moment this week where it's like. How did it feel. I mean it was like a mutt owner. Now no but it's like that'd be awkward. He was like my medical systems. Gonna come in. I'm like great. Let's on nice to meet you. Dr parnell you're like anyone else want to join us. But the thing is is like as embarrassing as it is like. It's also terrible for him to have to do it soon. That's what he wants to do with swamped. also the word swab in reference to butthole is absolutely disgusting. I'm having a hard time swallowing one. I mean swallow led to save swallow. And then i really questioned it the second q. Minimum amount came out of my mouth. There's so many things throwing out there right now. I'm not even drinking drinking water. We're drinking the thing about this week. As i've actually not been on the bottle at all. I had one martini last night which they kind of broke it. But we're going to the beach. Next like i mean a detox i I had a work dinner. I had like three cocktails. I think nothing exorbitant. An average is exorbitant exorbitant. Why okay that's right. There wasn't wasn't drinking a lot. And i mean and the dinner was three and a half hours drinking our and i woke up this morning with a hangover and the last couple of times. I've had drinks that that. I've had a hangover. I didn't drink that much. And i'm like is my body changing to wear like. Yeah when you stop drinking you realize how good you feel and then you have like one drink and you feel it but when you're drinking consistently you're like drink to feel normal totally which is probably the worst thing to say but yeah oh my god is my body shifting into where like it doesn't like alcohol anymore and having no it's the truth is i should drink less. We all should. Yeah well speaking of test also had a test this week. I've had three now pregnancy test. Oh but i'm not doug excited i know it's still okay so i'm not trying to get pregnant by any means also like not not trying to get pregnant but if anyone has followed velvets edge for a while you know i've had fertility issues. I tried to freeze my eggs twice and have a super low egg count. Unfortunately so wasn't even able to finish that process. So i don't think it's going to be a thing where i just like get pregnant like if i decide that i'm really dedicated to the process like my boyfriend and i get there then it would be a situation probably where i have to ask like. It's not going to magically happen. Actually it could. It would be like the immaculate conception. Maybe but whatever but i literally have had had a weird period last month and then i haven't started. I'm late right now. And so i was like. Oh my god like it started it because on my pietas has been so out of control like legit insane psychopath. Like you're feeling physical pain or you're just in a terrible mood right. I wanna murder everyone. I could cry at the drop of a hat out of. Let's make you cry today. At all i cried on the podcast that went out today with marv is telling me about pisces. More like i literally could not keep it together. I should i should run the whole zoom. Just that people can see how much of a fucking wreck. I am like. It's just like very since i'm sensitive anyway but i'm just like very emotionally sensitive right now just with feeling everything. And all the stuff and but physically like i've had cramps. My boobs are killing my fucking nipples. Feel like they could like fall off my body. They hurt so bad. And i was like pregnant so i go to kroger yesterday because i took one test and i was like well. I just need to be sure because this is like killing me and that was just like an old test ahead house. I went to the store. And i'm literally walking around the grocery store and i was waiting bump into someone that i knew because cart at epsom salts like three bags of epsom salts because i was like this is the only thing that helps me when i have. These cramps is to sit in a tub for hours and just soak had three different tease. One was like stress. Relief one was calm. When was god. What a tumor to help with inflammation had this anxiety. Oil thing found look like a sack about a pregnancy. it says kroger at kroger. What was the other day. Oh all these like junk food thing like organic junk but like yeah just like shit like that. And i was like can i. Of course. I know this is going to be the time that i run into someone know. Luckily i did not gonna be like dirks walks. And then turks comes around. The corner actually wouldn't care if it was him. It'd be worse if it was like a person that i work with that much. You know what mean it's like riley green walking around the corner. And i'm like oh. Hey i never met you twice anyway. So got out of there. Unscathed took the pregnancies has got hamas negative. Then someone told me take another one this morning because the i p is the way to go. Negative was oddly disappointed. Didn't was not. Like i was like trying but oddly disappointing. Yesterday i was like. I can't tell my boyfriend this though because you know he has two kids. He's like no in a place where he really is dreaming about having another kid. He's forty seven. he's kind of like you. Know ship has sailed but we first started dating. I ha i was going through the egg freezing process so we had to talk about it and He was like look. I'm not saying no he's like i'm open and especially like if you feel like that's the right thing for us and but we had so many things to get through. I i to integrate with his kids. And we're there so it's like brought this whole thing back up again. And so but i'm like i can't tell them we're just like finding a good strike. So what am i going to do like one baby. So we're sitting at dinner last night. And i had the martini that told you. I just cannot keep a fucking secret and i go. I took a pregnancy test today. Just like that sitting there. And he's like why we literally had a drink in his mouth and he was like. I can't make the right noise but he just like couldn't even respond. Yeah and he was like really tell me more about that. I mean so. This is going on and i don't know what's happening to my body. Probably something's wrong with me but instead of seat says and yeah i was just like it's negative. Don't worry but then we kind of had to start that conversation again and ios weird tomorrow double bagging moving forward literally. Because i wanna have sex with you again. So he was like well he was like that. That is something to think about. I would think to like some of the disappointment. Is like you want to just solve it to okay. Thank can get any answer exactly. And i'll tell you today i've been sitting with the disappointment and i've been like my disappointed. I'm not pregnant. Because i want a baby or am i disappointed. I'm not pregnant because it feels again like a failure. I can't do and i don't like that feeling so i'm really grappling with that. Like what is the disappointment about. Because if i really realistically think about my life right now like we're so overwhelmed already with the two kids that are here you know. And so and just like managing life and getting back to like the world opening up and work and just coming out of such a haze of insanity the last two years that it doesn't feel like a great time necessarily to invite more chaos in. But then i always like well. There's never a good time and blah blah blah blah. So it's like of course if it happened i wouldn't be like sat. It'd be like okay. We'll figure this out. And i'll be happy but there's this part of me that there's something in me that's like. Is it a keep questioning my own self in the part of like is it about not being able to do something feeling like not a full woman or something. Like there's this weird thing that comes up and i'd never expected But then again have also been around his girls in a different capacity now. Where if i love them that much. You know i'm just like oh my god it just as open about my world and like actually no now like i would be a good mom and a trust that about myself and like i feel like i have all this love to give and so i don't know it's it's interesting thing. I just sort of this answer. If you will never have kids or you could. Maybe like. I hate living in this place of like. If i don't do it now is it going to. Is it my own fault. That i don't have them or you know there's a lot of pressure that you just that comes with that so anyway. That was my moment of the week tomorrow to see what's going on with me so hopefully you're pregnant. That's our report back next week. You're going to have a baby in a month. You're like what i'm like this whole time. I've been pregnant. have you seen. How fucked up or those. There's been like shows that where they're like. And then i was peeing and then this baby just popped out. I worked in high school. I worked at a subway sandwich artists. I was really good at it too. I could see eating and there was a girl that worked with me who i loved. Her name was tammy and she grew up in really rural. Virginia she was cheering. She was a senior in high school. She was on the. She was cheering for the football team in a pyramid and fell off and feinted okay and was rushed to the hospital because they weren't sure it was up and she was seven months pregnant. Had no idea. Are you not like. Where's my period. I mean think it's different. But was she a little overweight but she wasn't like big ya just notice like a thicker girl. Yeah like when. I'm bloated for my period. I'm like oh my god. I feel it so bad when i'm bloated because i eat too much gluten unless i feel like i look like i'm pregnant and so i just can't process like not noticing that changes. She was like she wasn't like a dummy. Either she was going to william and mary which is a school and she ended up having the kid and she sort of changed. She was working at subway at night and driving an hour. Each way to go to school at salisbury state university and yes was awesome but yes i believe her she was like i had no idea why aol idea. Yeah i don't think that's going on with the actually think i have a sister. I have a history of that. So i think that's going on unfortunately. Do you think your body thinks it's a marie or something. I don't think so. I think sometimes like in the past. I've had them. It's like you cramp bad. And there's this stuff i didn't i actually didn't know i had this even if i would call it a condition. I think it's pretty common with women. But when i went to go have my egg fertility. Check them very cavalieri. She couldn't even see my over. Because i had assist. And so then it's like bene- things roy sit we'll I don't know. I don't know the answer to that. They usually just go away on their own but if they don't have to have a procedure and so i'm wondering if i had one because my last period was so weird and had it just hasn't gone away so it's like blocking my periods. Somehow this is like so much information for random people listening never met me and now they know everything about my ovaries flow checkout cart or whatever yeah anyway hopefully for my boyfriend's sake and all those around me on a normal basis as periods nothing but lovely to meet we before we move on. I promise that i would tell the story about my mom. Finding out i was on prep. I was home for christmas and thanksgiving christmas. Yeah i get. I get that through Like a ship it to me farmer online pharmacy and I knew i was going to run out. So i had some shipped and then at i was because i was home for a month. I got another order ship to me while i was there and my parents have like my dad like he doesn't recycle paper. He doesn't burns it like on the burn pile with all the sticks and up in the art so i just you know it comes with like all this paperwork. I just put the paper in the recycling bin and my mom called me a few days. After i left like she was like very dramatic. She was like. Do you have a medical condition that we need to talk about hiv hiv. Yeah because she'd read through all the paperwork first of all those are private documents. The opening seconds preventive drug. Just take daily and i was like. Yeah so you don't have anything to worry about so that was really cute because you know she doesn't really talk and like i you know i could imagine the panic that were well. I'm glad you don't have a medical condition in range good health as far as we know good afternoon. Would you like to try a free. Sample of our double fudge brownie. Oh sure that's very good. I'll just take one more just to be sure yup still very good. Some things never change like never being able to take just one free sample and geico saving money on their car insurance that macadamia nut. I taste you. Take one more sir. I thought so fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percents or more. Okay so i do want to get to our topic the seat. Because i love this topic and i think everyone can relate either. They are this person or they have a friend who does this but you have had an instance recently where it was a day drinking thing as far as i know right like it was you can tell the whole story in a second but i'm gonna set it up so you were doing a day drinking thing that turned into a drinking thing. I think we all know how those things in the of and some things happened and you then switched into responsible mode and i want to hear the full story for the people because i find it hilarious but i totally relate to where you went because i do that as well. I'm really happy. I wasn't there because you and i would have just been putting the active plan together. Walk but yeah. Set us up. Tell us what happened so yeah it started. I met up with some folks for like a happy hour. Like four and it wasn't a full day but like the sun still up at this point four and we had a few drinks. And then you're lightweight sounds like well and it was. The plan was that it was only going to be that afternoon. We were just gonna do happy hour. That was in. Yeah but we have this place that we love called Mother's ruin here in nashville and it has been opened through the pandemic. And it's the one place that like has didn't feel like you were going to some crowded bar like they had it very distant very distant and so we've gotten another the bartenders in the servers and stuff there and they're really great people and they always bring tequila shots and it's usually more than one special shot of the day. So are happy hour turned into. Where are we going next. And we were kind of into do karaoke and i remember that there was this new place by my house called sids gold room and live karaoke with like a piano player song. And you got to sing turns out. It's just a guy playing piano and singing along and so that was kind of annoying and the room was like it was two rooms the bars in the front room and then the pianos in the back room and we couldn't there were so many there were like eight of us and so yeah. We couldn't even get a table and there so we were just like being these like annoying drunk people in the front room and like the service wasn't that great and Reagan our friend. Reagan was donald ago and she just screams out shack. Plays like they could not have gotten us out of there fast. Mutual thing they did not break up and then we ended up. Hey we can't hear you and you know that's why we ended up in my shoe is ripping. It's very depressing. I we ended up at this karaoke bar. And it's it is not a lesbian bar which the bartender was very sure to tell me when she heard me describe it as such that. It was called the lipstick lounge and is owned by lesbians. And when i tell you when i walked in it was packed and i was one of three males. One of the males worked there. One of them was in turks. His band was readily their fees. Be was there something. He's friends with one of the bartender and then myself and so most of the women there like women so it's it might not be a lesbian barbara do going. They're not going to turn you away if you're not it's i mean it's actually a really really fun bar so calling it. A lesbian bar is not factual. But there's a lot of lesbians so and it's called a lipstick lounge sub ken anyway. We have a great time we carry. Okay yeah although they wouldn't let people do it at the same time like was he endemic. crazy crazy people there. It's fun i saying. Oh my goodness. I can't even remember what i did. I did poisoned by belva devel- class and then i did the friends in low places naturally put poison is like one of those songs that like when you ride in the car. You think you know the words and then you get to sing karaoke. And you're like. I never knew the words of these songs and it's too fast and i literally had parts of the chorus so anyway the knights winding down the bars clearing out they call last call. Yeah and along the way we at when when we were on our way to sids gold room here we picked up a friend. Like i had left to take my car home and i didn't want to be driving to feed my dogs and then i was like i'm gonna meet everybody there when i got to gold room. There was another our friend. Shelly had joined us. And i was like. Where'd she come from. Yeah and so. She was with us on the rest of the journey and So the the knights winding down they call last call. Our friend turns out. We literally had a table next to the bar. Our friend turns to the bar to pair tab and turns around and her purses gone. her phone has gone and the bars essentially kind of empty at that point. And she's like. Where did my stuff go. And i was like i. Literally just saw your. I asked his phone. It was yeah. So i had a very like clear visual memory of the time like i remember seeing her. Her purse fringe. It was black. Oh the birds had fringe on it. I saw it sitting. There and julie's like she crossed her arm. she's like. I'm not leaving this bar. I find out where my stuff went and like digs or heels in so and she is also at this very alpha three she. We're three sheets to the wind. And she's very alpha about it and they're like not having it they're all they're trying to do is clean up and get out like they've been serving drunk people on night and they just want to go and she's like i'm not leaving like this is crazy. My stuff just walked out. And they're like happens all the time so they were taking no responsibility for it. And finally she convinces. She's like do you have cameras. And they're like fine. You can come these cameras so she disappears into the bar. They say it's in the basement and literally felt like she was gone for thirty minutes. And meanwhile i figured out how to like sign in to find my iphone remote least needed her log in so i try and find her foam and the the the doorman sitting there talking with me and like it had been really cordial and then find that asked him. I'm like hey can you go. Can you help me find my friends. So i can like assists. And he's like no. She's fine where she is. And i was like. Yeah but it's taking forever. He's like it was a long night of tape. And i was like except for the moment is five minutes long and we know the window when this disappeared and he just started getting like rude with me. Okay well timeout. You like your like shocked got the first of all this guy is probably like i wanna go. I wanna go home these idiots. I'm running through. Hey of what happened. Because he's drunk can't keep up with their shits year like him well. I wasn't really talking to. I just was like the longer we wait. The furthest phone gets away like can you just like you. Don't have to take mature. Can you like y'all down the stairs and ask her to log in and he was just refusing. Yeah and then. Then i will. He like i was actually starting to worry because she had been gone for so long and i had no idea. We're getting murdered at the last time he was like. She's she's where she wants to be. Oh my god nasty. And i was like what do you have a sister. I was like women go places. They want to be all the time and bad things happen. And i'm starting to worry about my friend. And i'm about to call the cops. Yeah and then here comes julie. And she's like shelley has fucking shit. Ceasar's fred yes. She saw it on the tape. She saw our friend walk out of the like and none of us had even really notice it just like she had just left without saying by grabbed. She ghosted and she grabbed julie's bag and laughed. We didn't know if the phone was in it. All you could see in. The camera was Was that the question had. Nobody tried to call julia. Then we had but was going straight to voice so it was ringing but going to voicemail so then the fucking door guy looks at me. 'cause you apology and i was like i didn't blame you for anything other than not letting me go find my friend. He's like get the fuck outta here. Any got really acura with me. And i was like i like up and i was like it was like fuck you. I'll happily leave this fucking place on my own accord who started to walk out and then he tried to like put his hands on me anti us all you try to tell me and julia had to get between us. I was like if you don't if you touch me one more fucking time. We're gonna like she was like i've never seen i've never seen you. I mean that's something i would do. And then i was out front. Likes doing like i'm calling the cops. I'm calling the cops. Because it was like there was something about their attitude toward it. Felt like one of them might have it. You know it was like they say you. You're getting like being noise by people but like most people's lives are in their person. I mean she didn't have keys to our house. Yeah oh that was like thank. God she has a keypad but like a normal person. Doesn't have that. So i just felt really annoying. Because they didn't seem to care. Yeah and they even said well maybe they just went out that back door and we were like. Is there a camera on the back door. Nope i just like. There's so many things i have to say and actually Say something in second. But so i just like imagine after a long day of work. Just can't get rid of this. Like if i was onset all fucking day and i'm also like i have to be onset sometimes with drunk people and it's annoying as hell and you're trying to work and like i know they work in a bars of this is like par for the course. May you guys were at fault. Losing the person obsolete the fact that they even let you guys look at. The tape is hilarious to me. Like y'all like lettuce guys have cameras and here lettuce like what are you. The fucking cops like running. He wasn't leaving. I mean that's hilarious. We were kind of just waiting for julie. And i was chitchatting with escalated. Well before it escalated. You know a friend of ours. Mary sent me a voice that she has a few voice. No i kinda wanna play this for the people so they have a right levin before you play it. That voice now was recorded at julie's house and this is after this is after this after. This is a nice shirt. And i'm certain of it because it was after we had gotten home and we still like the ucla had yeah. That's why i thought it was stupid. Okay let's let's roldan explainer okay. Google one eight hundred number credit card. You say to them my my friend have it but it might have been stolen. Have you at least block it. That's forty eight hours and thought figured out that rather than answering because you will literally have to give a new credit card to everything of your phone company every over there. So you're saying that you were telling her to cancel her credit card. I think you're on what i know. Remember remember. I asked you where you got the recording. That recording is a voicemail. That i left on shelly's phone shelly senate to mary. So we were calling shelly incessantly. Trying to wake her up. She woke up to forty five minutes calls. And it's three a m you know it's late and we knew that shelley the bag. What we didn't know was whether or not she had julie's phone so but then julie's like i've gotta cancel everything and i was like no you don't like then you're not making sense right now. Are you drunk right now. I'm sure that's yes. Because she got a lipstick lound no never again they will never let me know who we are. They literally have you on a band this jacket or safe now. That recording is like julie's like trying to cancel her cards and she's like i don't even know how to call them. I'm like what kind of bank card do you have. And she's like us bank. I'm like then google one eight hundred number for. Us bank like walking you through it. But i'm like why would you do that. You're going to cancel that card. And then find out shelly. How's it in the morning and you're gonna have to go on amazon and your phone bill. Change all believe it right. At five hours. Shelly will be up at eight. Am yard didn't have your new. Shelly had walked out with a purse. Which you didn't have confirmation right right. Wow we also didn't know was if shelly outer fringe bag because we saw shelley holding a yard just making assumptions and then julie's china cancel shelley. Hasn't maybe she doesn't and that's when you were telling her how to okay. So this is what the whole point of all of that story is to say that like. They're it's so funny to me whenever you go out and too much you've been over served and all of a sudden something happens. I mean we have all been here where someone has to go into mom mode or like damage control. Or what's when i become the godmother. That's not the godfather. I said to you earlier. It's like we need to come up with a name. That's like the olympia. Pope of being drunk. Like you're like the fixer of that. I fill that role pretty well. I think well you do is but when we were just trying to backtrack through what happened. This story wasn't fully making sense. And so like. I was wondering if your logic in your head it makes so much sense and your guys in like no one can get it but are you actually making that much sense. I think i made sense. And it might be just because i can. When i'm telling the story i'm visualizing what happened. You know who we should have had on as a guest. Today is corny. Because courtney was aaron and witnessed at all any from that night actually remember it accurately. So i think i have a pretty clear memory of it. I think julia was the one who was like the most heightened because she she had panic on top of it all just gotten her phone the week before so she had set it up on fine always gals always like something. I definitely like said like dumb drunk things to them. But i was also like they were being unreasonable. Like i was just trying to be like history lesbian. You know totally were mad at. But i was trying to get to like put themselves in her shoes right. You wanted some empathy right and not only that but i do you want to be the bar that like blasted on the edge. Exactly review is though. You're telling this story and i guarantee you people listening are like here's like i was gonna say. Do you wanna be the bar. That has the attitude of like. Well it happens all the time. I mean it probably does have all the keep run tape. You know cameras that keep people safe beautiful being. It's she is. She was at fault. Like i i would be. I would never leave my phone laying on a table. A woman that carried a purse. I would have. It would be one of those girls always. Has it between my boobs. You know stereotype about like a crossbody jonah. Demonstrate that's how you guys couldn't hear him. I get just tried to demonstrate what a cross body looks like one of those girls who wears the purse between her big. I gotta say. I think it's the worst. Look i hate do it every day. Sorry that you feel that way. Well it's because my boobs are small. Listen i mean. I hear you but i will say especially if you're at a karaoke bar. I mean i'm only saying this because i'm notorious for leaving my phone like if i got caught up to the stage and i'm like ready to go. I read the bull like i used to do. You know like. I'm just leaving my shit like i'm like i know my friends are there too and so then it's like you go back. Maybe you're having another drink. Maybe you're like dancing around in just kind of lose track in this. Shelly picked it up. So it's like a multiple offense here. Well but i think tend to not have pockets as i'm always wearing jeans or something. We talk is but like the bulk doesn't look it doesn't look as cute. Yeah so well. You're the fairy. Godmother fairy godmother fa- g not shared alert. I just think it's funny. 'cause like literally you know everyone listening right now is either that person or they have that friend. I want to hear you guys stories email. Is that act casual. Change the at casual at bellvizge dot com for the time being. But i want to hear the stories of being out. Drunk takes charge damage. Control like is it you. Is it your friend. Or they're funny stories of that. And what were the scenarios where you guys at fault because probably so as be myself and i love that you're taking it to the grave you're like that was our fault. They were dick's drove by there. The other day and that door guy was sitting other and i was like harsh. I can throw an egg right at him because his son wasn't even down. It was still early than night. I was like i just wanted to ruin his night. His pegged got cameras on the front of the building that maybe watching him when he's leaving the back door. You know where their cameras are. You just announced to the world. Well i'm hey. They should have been more cooperative. We got a camera above the bar. That doesn't work tossed here. He said that they should have been more cooperative. Shame because i actually liked doing karaoke there. Well i guess you'll have to find a new hot. We already have some other spots. Heroes lever there. Why is that not the lesbian bar. Why are we never talked about. That's actually the wild beaver. One hundred percent should be a lesbian hundred percent. God that's how my start describing myself the wild beaver when i go to the garden where she really how are you. I'm really well though. I'll beavers hurt a little bit. She this drug act. Oh my god well. Thanks for sharing that story Send us your story is to act casual at velvets edge dot com and we'll read them next week at hold onto your phones people. I mean ladies. Let's get a little more responsible muscle first year. Okay so for the listener question this week to give you the update because billy go billy girl re weeks in a row. She's making an appearance. But like i got sum this up for you guys. Because i got an ending and i needed to share so this is from billy. If new to this podcast or you didn't listen the last two weeks. You should go back and listen to her story. But billy has been in a relationship with a man who has two children with an ex wife and then he has a baby's mama and he has one child that baby mama. I must say that right. It feels so wrong somehow. I mean it's baby mama okay so anyway. The baby mama baby's mama. Technically is the baby's volvo but it's also the the grammatical like you're talking about it in reference to her relationship with him or her relationship to the baby. Oh 'cause it's the baby's mama baby mama. Yeah okay well you guys get the gist of who this person. The guys life anyway. She's the jealous one right like the ex wife is apparently fine with billy. They have a relationship. And billy's been with this guy a while so much so that they were engaged for a minute he had proposed december. Twenty nineteen wait a minute ex wife. There's baby mama. And there's billy so anyway baby mama was so pissed about him being with billy that he didn't want to tell her that he proposed to her and so much so that she even i think tried to break them up or threatened him seeing his own child if they didn't break up and moved to a different state. So there's all this drama. Billy was like i'm feeling like there's something more to this story. But he swears there's not and he swears he just doesn't want to rock the boat. And it's about the child's so you and i've been back and forth a couple of weeks and postal was in december two thousand nineteen right and there's been no movement as far as him telling her so. I started once. I found out the date. I was like Something right and you're like Let's give him the benefit of the doubt. Let see if he maybe. If billy contacts the baby mom are lays some like rules out with her like. We're moving on you know you. Kinda were like encouraging her to stand by her man. Like tammy wynette song and i was like that guy. Something ain't right. So this is what billy said this week. Update at took chips advice and just told him it was time to get it done or we needed to figure out where to go from here. Apparently he decided months ago. Quote unquote when i took my off my ring that we weren't engaged anymore so he didn't need to tell her anymore. Thanks for fucking letting me know that. Now i gave up. My house sold most of my stuff and put the rest in storage. He said i changed since. I'm not okay with him. Dragging all this bullshit out for however long he sees necessary. It's all good. I literally had nothing when i divorced. After twenty one years of marriage. I will get through this to thanks to you. Both for your advice ripping that band aid off. So she got over. I'm so proud of herself. Correct and this guy again. I think i said this last week. Sounds like adduce well. I mean he. Quick to judge just assumed that they were engaged anymore. What does that mean first of all. I think he's gonna be like wait. What does you taking the ring off. Signify like what does that mean. Where do we stand exactly like communicate and also like she held onto that for why we get drawn to what we get drunk. That could be childhood wounds. You know. that's another podcast. That's the velvet side of things. I mean i've been relationships where i'm like. What the fuck with. Like a look back and i'm like what was the hold on me and it was something i had to sort out it myself. It wasn't like the guy was like some catch. Everyone was like god. He got out of that one. Isn't that like how most pass relationship. It's very rare that it's like you're like oh my god. That was the one who got away. Yeah right. I've had a guy told me that one time i had a guy told me not to the guy that told me that though i look at him and i'm like going to that guy for me it's like it actually feels good because actually really liked the guy i mean now it's always flattering stolley flattering and it makes you feel a little bit like it took too long but at least you saw it because he treated me like shed so used bag hard i mean literal or most. That's exhaling for this week. Just so hard thing he feels like i'm we're in quarantine and i haven't had to deal with like any relationship. Yeah i just can't wait to get back on. Track are austrian. Y'all i'm almost vaccinated asked me this week. I did like a question answer on my instagram. Velvets its edge in. Someone said one of the questions was is chip. Actually gonna do police. I was like a dear god. I hope so. Because if i talk about it this much and you don't go be slutty for pressure is on now. I mean we fucking one person would be sled from you. That's true we have one story. We'll be like success success. We did it go team but the pro- the you know what makes it hard for me to is that I kinda wanna fall in love with everybody. You know what. I mean a hard time leaving them. You know it sounds like a song probably is Anyway you guys keep the messages coming. I think we all had a lot of sex and dating questions. We were talking about this before so those are still the things that resonate with. Y'all bring them on like we love talking about relationships. This podcast is supposed to be edgy. The edge if you will and so we're gonna talk about anything. There's nothing that's anything and everything and more all this week. I talked about my vagina. Ovaries i mean. I think we all have them. We got tested. We got all sorts of things happening this week. So you guys join us please. We still don't have a tagline for the the. What did i say early and always remember. We're still acting letellier. You just the zest Just we you guys help us with that too. You haven't used to say to me all the time for velvets as you go live in bed but we can't do that because that's actually it's a. It's it's a copyrighted kind. It's like living on the edge by aerosmith leaving only edge linen on a veg trying to harmonize lit on events. So pain could see us. We're like are is. Are we going to nail this. It literally an auditing t kane of like a slide. We've lost that we have to go. We went to an arts today. I'm gonna post about that on my instagram easy. You got this art looking out for the house okay. That was very vague and absolutely had no context of what we need to drink. Okay see that lie worried about mom or dad. Following the symphony medical alert system from cvs health helps make their home safer. 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