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Inspiration And Eruption In Yellowstone, The World's First National Park PART 1

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Inspiration And Eruption In Yellowstone, The World's First National Park PART 1

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Because it's a big one we're talking about yellowstone and frankly it really does not get much bigger than this. Yeah I really think and get safe to say that yellowstone is the most iconic national park in the country. It's the first example people think of when they think of national parks and its most notable features like geysers. Here's and Bison and Grizzly bears and they've become synonymous with the National Park Service. Yeah that's definitely true and not only is yellowstone in American icon on. But it's the second largest national park in the contiguous. US It's one of the most visited parks in the country with more than four million visitors in most impressively of all. It's the oldest national park in the entire world which is crazy so not just the US yeah exactly the whole world when the park was first established in eighteen. Seventy you too. It was before any type of federally protected. Land was set aside anywhere on earth No country has ever done such a thing until the US. Mrs Right and this was decades. Before the National Park Service was even formed it was also be before Wyoming even became a state. I know yeah this is. It's it's really wild to think about but it's fantastic and one of the things I like. The most is how ironic it is then. The world's first national park may very very well be the thing that one day destroys all as this park sits on top of a giant super volcano that if it ever erupt again well and life on earth. Something living tells me that seatbelts won't help us very much in that situation. Well they they can't hurt but now if they want to help. Hi I'm Matt and I'm Brad Park Land Lia production of iheartradio. We sold our locks in Chicago moved into our with our dogs thin. And now we're probably in the country exploring expiring. America's national parks back in today's episode is about Yellowstone in Wyoming Considering how huge yellowstone is both geographically and historically we thought it was fitting split this park into two different episodes. It's first time doing that. But we really want to justice and talk about our experiences with yellowstone so it definitely deserves a two parter it. Yeah it really does because there's so so much here and to really dig into it would be impossible to cram into one episode so it's our first two part park fittingly as as you can tell to Park Lane is just full first full of little twist but it also makes perfect sense to do this with yellowstone so area. You and I have experienced this park differently. We both visited it individually on her own at first and then together this past summer. So there's a a lot to cover and lots of spread out over these episodes. Let's just say that it's miles and miles and miles of information. A lot of my early massive of I mean it's more than two point two million acres That's bigger than the states of Delaware Android island combined and it's also larger than some countries. Yeah yeah that's true. So long story short be sure and fill up the gas tank before trying to tackle yellowstone because like we said there are lots of miles here. And you'RE GONNA WANNA be ready for it. And the only national park larger than this actually are are in Alaska Parks and then in the contiguous who s there's death valley really which is the only one in the lower forty eight states that's larger than yellowstone and and to be quite honest. I'm exhausted just thinking about it. Yeah but let's let's get into it and it's the first part episode of yellowstone so we'll cover more of our individual trips. He'll send for this episode as well for Mine. I was here I with my family. My Dad my brother my sister for a little outdoorsy themed vacation a few years ago and that was definitely life changing to the least one of my kinda formative national park experiences that triggered this obsession. But you're going to have to stay tuned for that because I we need to talk about history. And that's epic explosive. Those of fiery history here. Yes yes it is history so backing up when choppers an adventurous frontiers men. I I explore this region of the ever expanding country. They were met with the landscape. That was beautiful lowering but also terrifying in intimidating and deadly. We're talking like simmering. Pots and steaming streams raging rivers. These explosive geysers sulphur springs and wildlife so contents that makes Jumanji look like a petting zoo. Basically I mean these explorers just no one believed them when they started like documenting it and setting this back east. Everyone just brushed off off right right. I mean literally. It sounds absurd and over the top and like completely made up and so it was assumed that these guys were just lying and had crazy machinations. We're basically writing fantasy novels sending to the government but eventually after enough of these reports came in in the government finally advisor to the fact that surely not every frontiers men has an overactive imagination. They started formalizing these exploratory expeditions to research the area themselves elves in see what all the fuss was about. Yeah it's kind of like the original drastic park when John Hammond brings all the doubtful scientists to the island and no one thinks will actually see dinosaurs but then they actually do and everyone is like stunned. Yeah exactly this place is pretty much drastic national park but instead of Dr Grant Dr Malcolm Dr Sadler earlier it was another Trifecta of Explorers Ferdinand v Hayden. A painter named Thomas Moran and a photographer named William Henry Senator Jackson Yeah. Their findings must have been huge and had some serious impact because it was less than a year later in eighteen. Seventy two that President Ulysses S. grant signed documentation making yellowstone the very first national park encompassing the land. That's primarily in North Western Wyoming with little little bits in Idaho and Montana's well right so huge huge news and the true not only provided impressive inserting documentation but they also argued for protection by pointing out that the area is not suitable for farming or mining. Because you can't mine in hot springs or overtop OPPA Geyser. That's GonNa blow up your barn or something so you might as well protect it right. Yeah I mean the first year at the as a national park there are only about three hundred visitors. It's Increased dramatically once the northern Pacific railroad was completed about a decade later. There were thousands of annual visitors. which is really incredible? Bullfrog eighteen hundreds. I mean they didn't have anything. Yeah I know that is incredible. So even though frontiers men didn't discover this steamy landscape until the mid eighteen hundreds they they definitely were not the first humans to Rome here. Native Americans have undocumented living here as far back as eleven thousand years ago most likely due to the abundance of hunting opportunities internees after the last ice age because yellowstone is after all renowned for populations of Bison and L. in deer among many many other animals so so it makes sense that this was like a hunting Mecca and the early eighteen hundreds some of the first for trappers to visit the region gave it the Nickname Roche Joan. I love it which means rock Yellow River In reference to the yellow sandstone by the river and thus the name yellowstone was born born and in history. It's been as colorful as the geysers basins since. Yeah I know totally because it really does have like this technicolor history. It's so vibrant and so Bright and very up and down good and bad vandals and poachers were big problems. In the the early years here as all these animals are being hunted and trees are being cut down with reckless abandon and the minimum park ranger staff. That was here. I literally did not have the resources to protect such a large section of land. No things really did get out of hand. I mean like literally it was like military for civilians millions and yeah and that's until President Chester. A Arthur embarked on his first presidential visit to the park with a little camping trip. Yes he did the. Although if we're being honest I think it was probably a glancing trip. I can't really imagine any president like camping. Made me do they do. Yeah it's just a Arthur is probably a diva. I mean I'm again assuming I know absolutely nothing about this guy and I think I had forgotten art forgotten. He was ever a president until right. Now which you know. I don't remember anything he did. So this is good. I'm glad but he got to go to yellowstone and his trip here was hugely beneficial because he wound up signing legislation that a lot of a lot more funds for the park which went towards employing troops to protect the Park and control the amount of development that was happening like it was off the chart so they needed to do something something. Yeah we learned all about General Sheridan and troop m of the United States Cavalry while we were in mammoth hot springs area of the park last summer Where a bunch of historic army barracks were and apparently they protect to the park for thirty two years all the way up until nineteen eighteen when they handed over those duties to the recently recently created national? Park Service yes they did because this is all new territory. This is well before the National Park Service was established. It's the first national park in the world so there are just figuring out for themselves salves and obviously taking a guerilla approach to fending off. These tendons only lasted like six months to the year. Maybe not in the turn over like it was No one knew what they were doing it but someone had to start. Yeah and I'm glad that they pioneered that and their sentiments are forever engraved on the iconic Roosevelt arch by the parks north entrance which tubes built and the arch reads for for the benefit and enjoyment of the people and it's something that has gone on to symbolize national parks across the country. Ever since and after this quick break we're going to get into some of yellowstone's stones colorful and famous geographic history. Hi everyone it's Katie couric. I've got a ton of questions about this crazy time. We're living in and I know you probably due to on the new season of my podcast cast next question with me. 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It's a place that definitely sounds like it was dreamed up by George Lucas or something just does not really sound real. Which is why the government taught early? Frontiers men were. You know fantasizing about this in creating just like lying because it doesn't sound like an actual place that's one of those places that you really have to see to believe. Even we just try to describe it to people like they look at US sideways like a little like does like right. You're lying saying and so it's even today. It's still unbelievable. and that's so crazy because we have photos and videos and all of it and Growing up here and learn so much by yellowstone that it actually seems almost too surreal and mythical it almost doesn't make sense sense and that's something that like something like this would exist on this planet. Now it's it's wild reluctant to have it. You gotta it's one of those places you have to see for yourself herself and you have to honestly have to smell for yourself because it's gotten aroma. Yeah we've gone. How do I still don't feel like I understand yellowstone? Yeah which is crazy. I know there's there's so much there's a lot to take in. And it all starts with the heart of the park. The Yellowstone Caldera tell there of course is the collapsed remnants a volcano and this is the largest of its kind on the entire continent clocking in at a somewhat terrifying thirty by forty five miles else and today this Caldera is the site of Yellowstone Lake this enormous Pristine Lake that is so utterly serene looking that you'd really never expect. There's a super volcano not to get all the scary neurotic and no not at all. We should probably stop scaring our listeners. Because it's all going to be OK guys totally I I mean probably I don't Wanna I can't get that I don't to be held with. I mean if we're being honest about the Super Bowl Hanno and I'll just come. I'm right out and give it to you straight. The Super Volcano is still considered to be technically active in doorman. Although it's only erupted three times in the last two million years the most recent recent one was six hundred and forty thousand years ago and it was strong enough to make the CVS amounted. Helen seemed like blips on the radar. Like absolutely nothing so even though it tactically could erupt again. The chances are very very slim that any of us will ever live to experience at thankfully. Yeah and on the plus side. The Super Volcano is is what makes yellowstone the incredible place that it is today without it there would be wouldn't be any geysers or hot springs that make the park. What it is I mean yellowstone actually has more than and ten thousand? These thermal features are beautiful an eerie reminder of the volcano. That's right below you and it's crazy because like it's it's supposed to be like erupting thing like anytime now. Plus or minus ten thousand thousand years or ten minutes from now. Yeah you might never hear this. You know what we might not finish this episode. I they now that would actually be kind of poetic but as long as the Super Bowl Hanno keeps doing this thing and fueling these geysers and not wiping out life as we know it. I'm finally yeah. Nowadays the best places to witness these amazing thermal features are at places like mammoth hot springs. Gore's Geyser Basin the old faithful grand prize mic springs West Thumb Geyser Basin. I mean there's so much more to talk about but I guess we'll talk about that. So yeah let's say eighteen. If the world is still around trails Dell's now I'm going to start talking about my first time to yellowstone and I was actually visiting the park for the first time with some family as part of this semi annual annual nature. Themed Family Vacation Thing that my dad had the idea to start and I'm so glad he did. And we were like ruminating over like witch park. Actually we do. which part of the country should we start this? Like kind of quasi traditional and we all agree that yellowstone slash grand. Teton was the perfect place to do this and create this experience together because none of us had been in. Obviously it doesn't get more iconic and quintessential then yellowstone so through doesn't no it doesn't so we're all instantly obsessed and we coordinated this is trap where it was about a week and we all flew out to Jackson hole flew into their which is super can be I think. It's like in Grand Teton National Park. And then we just. We got a rental car. We spent a few days in Grand Teton at this beautiful lodge and Teton village and and visited Jackson the actual city or town For a few days as well and then the second half of that trump of that week doc was yellowstone so we drove from Teton village. Up past the rest of Grand Teton into Yellowstone National Park. And then we stayed in West Yellowstone which is like the far northwestern portion of the park. Yeltsin it's probably a two hour drive to get West Yellowstone which is pretty. I know it really the first they were like. Wow this is the gigantic park and it really makes you realize that because it takes forever to get from point. Eight Point B. and one of my favorite things was like you sent me this photo of you guys and it was like your first like Bison herd was crossing the road and there's like this beautiful shot of like your dad in the driver's seat in the passenger so beautiful scenic photo behind it and I just love that one now and it's kind of misty st out or foggy or something so it's these gigantic animals just looming in the distance in lots of them in right in the middle on site for interrupting but I just had bring up. No important so west Yellowstone is actually in a portion of the park. That's in Montana. What's what's the oceans kind of the gateway it's like The northwestern entrance and it's just adorable little league touristy town that's hustling and bustling in the summer months and and we were there like mid September so things were somewhat winding down but still very lively and adorable. I loved it there. We have this cute little cabin and on our way up towards the very first thing we did was stop at old faithful which I think makes a lot of sounds as the first yells elster experience. 'cause everybody faithful is and it's right up there with like the Grand Canyon and Stash of liberty like these Like all important Americana sites and activities and we went there had to pretty much force our way through the crowds to get a good view. Because it's it's very crowded. The general is pretty is very crowded but old faithful is just like swarming with people like a mob scene. Yeah it is so yes yes so. We went into the visitor center. My brother and I got our national parks books stamped and I think my dad bought some sort of buck and or game. I I want to say. We've got national parks. Yahtzee there and we play that a little later in the cabin in West Yellowstone. Although I I don't know what makes it. National Parks Yahtzee is like a pretty straightforward numbers based ice game. So I don't understand that one guys two you guys who three guys I don't know ever but it works it works. I love a good theme. Even with it doesn't make sense. And so we did it. All faith foil and then kind of checked in and got our bearings in West Yellowstone explore the town which has super cute little like restaurants and cafes. We would like start every morning. Go into this little coffee shack thing. It's not a standalone shop per se. It's like this little window that's on at the intersection. And there's this lovely woman working every morning. Yes that's the one that he went to on our trip together but this was where the dollar originate even started with it and obsessed with it. Because you're like we have to go. Yeah there's nothing super special like the food or coffee so much that we got there before it even opened thumbs waiting like please please service coffee coffee. Yeah so they have coffee and then a very limited slash enough food items but like they have like huckleberry bars because huckleberry there's a huge part of the country so you could find huckleberry anything and everything in different restaurants and bakeries and stuff and they had stuff like that and then like doc probably banana bread and scones. You know kind of everything you said all those little little things right there in the rain and then bagels and I remember. My brother ordered a Bagel. But he hasn't cream cheese and he asks her butter and she was like butter. So just give you the dry Bagel and then he had a dry Bego geico very exciting climax to that story. Yeah I kind of like something crazy going to happen but no he just didn't have have keys and I think our favorite that the place we went to you more than like three nights in a row. Maybe was this place called the Buffalo Bar. which which is this essentially? It's the saloon. Like it felt like a saloon with like pool tables inside and big. I think fake taxidermy and then a big gigantic organic like buffalo replica in the middle of the dining room. And the Kumar. Yeah very hard last ask it is is. Yeah but it's still kind of like clean and modern ish so we loved it and I don't think we really eight every mostly went there for like after dinner owner drinks like Wyoming whiskey and stuff like that so all these great things in west yellowstone integrate place to like kind of get your start art every morning. 'cause you're close to a ton and what my family and I did was we made sure we stocked up on bear spray. First things first we didn't want to wander wander on yellowstone without that especially my dad was very adamant and he always had it at the ready and we did a bunch of different things in in the span of like three or four days. I feel like who really maximized it. It's great yeah so one of my favorite things was we did the grand prize medic springs area and and the ferry falls trail which is one of the best trails ever. I I love it. I think that's my favorite one that we did in yellowstone and one of my favorite trails like like just in general period. Was that the one that you like. Took me on this dramatic long hike where you said it was like. Oh it's only like two and a half miles and ended up being like seven. Yeah Yeah I remember it a different way with my family I thought it was. I remember it being much shorter but it was action packed because we saw Tun of Bison in a Fox down unfortunate version. But that's another episode right. I honestly don't remember seeing I mean I don't remember being as long as it wind up being this past summer with you but is great. It's like super peaceful and scenic. And you go through a variety of different trains from this super tall thin ribbon of a waterfall through these pine forests than this wide open meadows. which is on this trip where we saw like a huge herd of Bison and it was well nerving we wound up like cutting off the trail? Oh and going around them which was also nerve wracking. Because I'm like what if we wind up going off trail and then like stumbling into a bear or like alone. Bison yeah yeah true. We did wind up some way until like alone. Bison those just lying right next to this tree and I was so it is my brother and I were like kind of ahead a little bit. We're like several pages of the head of my sister and dad and we were talking and I remember. I don't know exact athlet this conversation. But we're talking about like Disneyworld because I guess I just talk about all the time and I was saying to my brother. I'm like yeah. I really like want to explorer animal kingdom more or something I was probably like you know just thinking about animals And then like as soon as I say that we see this by Senate and I freak out and kind of Yelp and my dad panicked says he think I saw bear. I can no matter. And Yeah neurotic messes. Yeah Yeah it was showing there and in that area though you do have to be careful if you do walk off trail because there are geysers and you do not WanNa fall into one of those because people have been falling into his now and you know that's just not good. You'll get burnt. You'll not be happy and it will take a long time. I mean cover. You might not. You might not recover. Yeah yeah definitely so you gotta be careful when you're doing that so I know where you pointed out where you were walking trail and it wasn't like half a mile off trail twenty feet thirty feet like into different area right. It wasn't anything crazy. Yeah exactly and then we finish that trail oh by doing this gigantic loop. That brought us back to the GRANDPA's matic. Spring which is easily won the most popular sites in the park. You go to the overlook and from up there you can see down into this like incredible like almost Rambo colored spring with the Super Bright Greens. Blues Gallos Oranges. It's insane like I don't understand how this is like this how it's real and it's massive and just like billowing a little bit of steam by mid afternoon when the weather's the temperatures warmed up enough the steam dissipates now I could see the spraying really well versus in the morning when they are so really cold the steam could like be too much. It's hard to see so I would definitely recommend going like mid afternoon like we did and that was great. Another another thing we did was. We had a little picnic in the Lamar Valley area just like Rolling Meadows beautiful little ponds and lakes. Didn't I didn't see any animals out there even though I know we could have and we were kind of hoping to you know from a safe distance and we want reminders interesting. This nice little peaceful picnic by some pond at the end of the trail and it was it was great and we also did the Grand Canyon gaining the yellowstone for photos and on a little hike by a waterfall. That's that's another popular area. Yes raging river the Yellowstone River and is lined with these like explosive waterfalls and great panoramic views from these overlooks and little trails. That run along the river his his kayak on that trip as well. Yes we did so I think the last day last full Danielson we booked kayaking trip on Yellowstone Lake which were all super excited so you and fishing on Yellowstone Lake. We didn't go fishing. We like did a Kayak trip and for that you stay pretty close to the shore. They don't really let I don't think they let you at all like go out into the main because like like I got to go out there and just yeah but we're on a boat you know so it was a lot easier to get there and back and I feel like a lot of people would get exhausted out there and not realize and take a a long time to get back so it's a good thing that they're helping their kayakers kayak safe. Yeah Spears they. They said like he unexpectedly windy. And the waves can get get choppy out there and the main problem is the lake is freezing. Set like dangerously cold so like if you capsize. It's hard to get back in. And if you're in the middle of the lake your like screwed and I thought like but I really thought the main problem was about your jacket because the near era guide. Thank you Jack. Yeah quite whatever unions. Do you know who this person is. Yeah I have this jacket this really nice. What is it called the bombers academic? Okay so it's like slick lack bomber jacket with This yellow letter B. on one sleeve. You've and a lemon on the other sleeve so I think you know I'm going with us. And then on the back is a song lyric. That says winners. Don't quit on themselves. So it's a jacket obviously from the representing like lemonade album. And the lyric is from one of the songs and this guy full on the thought. It was a Burns Jack. Jack Jacket Mike. When is on themselves right docket? Wha what's sexually strike that I told him no it's the Bianchi jacket and then he just Kinda like quietly nodded and stop talking to me for like the rest of the trip but the the trip was really fun. It was not that Wendy. Fortunately so it was a nice calm easy pace. We've got to see a lot. And my favorite part was like you get to Kayak along along the shore close enough to the West Thumb Geyser Basin so you get to see some thermal activity as well like not geysers but hot springs in this building steam and some of the like technicolor D- pools that in certain portions are like dripping in flowing into the lake. So that was really beautiful and really cool and and then from there. I believe it was when we were like all settled back into the car. And driving back to US yellowstone we found ourselves in the middle of a bison stampede literal stampede oh was that the photo no no no but there's a lot of these yes so there there. There was traffic which happens a lot in in yellowstone standstill traffic. And we didn't know what was going on. Just the impatiently waiting there and then we start to see Bison walking down and the side of the road like a lot of Bison and they're walking into at a slow pace so me and my sister roll down our windows because we were on the side where the Bison were and we're going to take video of it and soon to start taking video they start to like run like this whole heard of them are running surrounding our car not just us but like everyone on the road road and I remember it was amazing because the video turned out wind up looking like a found footage film or something. Because it's like I started. Take the video and then they charge and I'm like Oh and they get all shaky and then I scream and you get to see a very close. How huge these animals are like? If they hit our car we would have been dumb. Damaged took the least I could make. It probably flipped cars that they like charged tanks. Yeah they're the largest land mammal in the country over the phone. They can go really fast. They can run like much faster than humans so you do not want to get into a race with them by any means either so. That was my yells during experience with my family clearly epoch and intimidating and colorful and does all of it was thoroughly life changing. That was our first time doing something like best as that. These are from one trip. I know just one trip of ours each of ours and we hit on some of the same stuff if we didn't but it just so so big I mean what would you say is the best time to go. The best time to visit yellowstone. Uh is I liked when I visited. I was mid-september It was kinda chilly but not cold yet. And the peak summer season was dwindling so it wasn't as crowded as it is in like July August so we didn't have to worry about that too much just like the periodic traffic affect jams and and whatnot but it was all manageable and beautiful and all the animals are out and about and it's extremely time of the year but luckily the park is open all year round. I mean it's basically. A game of thrones esque style landscape from late fall early spring and most roads closed so the only way to get into the park is on snowmobile. So you can go cross country skiing on snow coach sewers Those are very popular. Yeah they are really popular winter months and during this time period most facilities lodges or closed closed as well. So it's definitely much much quieter in kind of a creepy way but also serene and peaceful and I know I would really love the two experience gallstone in the winter sometime. That's hi my less because that would be like visiting a it'd be like a whole `nother park of that point and that would be amazing and then and you also have to worry about bears because they're hibernating so you can put the bear spray away features possible. Yeah we'll just have to do it like not in an RV because we know we don't need the freeze now. We don't need that. The only roads that are open year round are the North Entrance Road Northeast Engines Road in the mammoth tower road of the grand loop. Yeah so pretty limited pretty quiet and I'm sure it's mind blowing beautiful as everything else says. After this quick break we're going to wrap up part one of our yellowstone episodes by talking a little a bit more about the animals here and the ecology of the park. It's the only way is through a new podcast in partnership with iheartradio and underarm. Join us as we hear from the world's greatest athletes coaches and trainers. They discuss how they utilize training competition recovery and the latest innovations if fitness to improve their performance and push through their personal physical ankle challenges. Here is Canadian. Heptathlete Georgia Ellen word. 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Land area and this week's episode is about Yellowstone National Park and and North Western Wyoming Ecology. And Right. Now we're GONNA get into a little bit more detail about the wildlife here since it's a pretty the big deal. Yeah and it's really crazy. Because in the past couple of decades yellowstone has taught scientists a lot about how food webs and ecological systems work. It's An ecosystem that runs an energy from the sun a plant turn solar energy and to food for itself but then that plant is eaten by a cricket which is then eaten by a mouse which is then eaten by a snake which is then eaten by a hawk when the Huck dies its body provides food for bacteria and fungi which then in turn feeds plans. All of these animals represent what are called tropic levels what scientists now call links in the food chain and as representatives representatives of these trophic groups each other energy has passed all around the ecosystem. But what happens when one member of this food web. It's removed from the system. Yellowstone has has actually been ground zero for sort of unintentional experiment. Regarding what scientists I've come to refer to as trophic cascades and trophic cascades occur when predators editors hunting. Their prey keeps the number of prey animals. Down passing on the savings to the next trophic level. Whatever the prey animal eats then has a better shot at survival and on and on and on down the line right and in yellowstone what they did was they actually like reintroduced the Grey Wolves Wolves back India sewn and this is a perfect example of what we're talking about so in regards to walls like every wills are scary right like humans? I have never really liked them. which is kind of weird? Because they're the direct wild ancestors of Man's best friends domesticated dogs the fact that they're fast carnivorous her nevarez and they move around intimidating packs. I think plus the livestock they can eat like twenty pounds of meat in a single sitting. This is a this is what's lead. Humans is to create this like terrifying polity around wolves with things like Little Red Riding Hood Peter and the wolf the boy who cried wolf et Cetera et cetera historically gray wolves arranged around two thirds of the Modern Day United States home. But they've been driven out of most of it now They were hunted out of Yellowstone by Nineteen Twenty Ninety six. Yeah and then. In nineteen ninety-five however the park service released. Fourteen Grey Wolves from Canada into yellowstone after seventy years of wolf less ecosystem there. This decision of course was controversial in made a lot of humans mad but the ecological results were immediate and honestly pretty startling. In fact a lot of colleges think the wolves did in yellowstone was prevent elk and deer some of their favorite foods from eating all the plans especially near rivers. Yeah the wolves kept the deer out from denuding. The river valleys which promoted the growth of trees and the riparian areas. Riparian and meaning the special groups plants that grow in flood plains of rivers and streams. So this meant more beavers which are animals that creates special mini habitats for other animals. Like otters fish amphibians and so forth and more migratory birds visited as well. The wolves killed earned him the coyotes which meant they were then more rabbits and mice around with Third Hawks and other birds of prey to the area so huge facts and not only all that but it increased stabilization of the riverbanks near Narrow River channels. which makes more different kind of habitat in yellowstone as well so would have this huge ripple effect across pretty much every everything every animal every environment and the simple truth is that the effects the wolves took on yellowstone is complex? And this idea of trophic cascade being the saving grace of the park's ecosystem is a controversial one among scientists We basically can't replicate the study because there's not another yellowstone to replicate it and so we may never know exactly what effect wolves hat on yellowstone however it definitely taught us that the human mythology around wolves being Yvonne. Dangerous Villains lends deserving. Ratification is a very subjective. One right yeah. They can have a lot of benefits. Yeah I this is something. That is very complex and hard to kind of just dive into right because like they said you can't just replicated over and over again because even if you reintroduced wolves into Michigan I'm just using random place I mean. Yeah it's the ecosystem is so different. There and the cycle of life often the hunting cycles. They're so different that it would actually create a correct study. Yeah that's true but then when you also living about how like walls these two thirds of the US like they're clearly acclimated to a majority of this country and they they have every natural right to be there in a way so it's weird that suddenly humans are in this position where they're controlling it and dictating where wolves are relocated to. And then what what happens. So it's it's strange because like they were here before people were and I mean they've been gone out to do a reintroduced but they're different species of wolves. I think they're the closest to but you can't have the exact act if they didn't stay in that ecosystem right. I mean the same thing with the bison they were reintroduced into a national park this year. Oh Yeah Yeah. Which one was in that while they moved more bison to badlands released them? They're so like this isn't an entirely new concept. This has happened before yellowstone. This will happen in the future and other places so but that will have an impact on that national. Yeah and it sounds like it's going great and yellowstone so cute us to the offs. We did not see any walls in yellowstone. Regretfully I would love to. I know that That one takes a lot of pain. Definitely something I I would love to do is like just slow down a little bit because we normally like kind of go through national parks and try to get everything in and that's why we revisit national parks as well though because the the things that we miss but yellowstone is one of those national parks that we have both been to multiple times now for multiple days at a time. I mean I think we both have combined maybe twenty thirty days in that park and we still haven't even scratched the surface. Yeah the what is it. One percent of yellowstone. Oh stone is actually seem by the tourists that go there grunting percent so there's so much in that ecosystem that wildlife that diversity that we have to re-explore and that is why we're even continuing with the part two of yellowstone national a park later this season right. It won't be the next episode. So you're going to have to stay tuned you're going to have stand your toes and get ready for more and more of that beautiful. Oh beautiful place that yellowstone is yeah but of a cliffhanger but also the exciting thing too is. We'll be able to incorporate like R. V. experienced they are because now they're vesper in an RV. I visited so it's GonNa be fun to drugs. Lodges Hotels Yeah Inside the Park outside the park. Where do you WanNa stay day since both of our first trips were pretty? RV We're going to save RV segment for part two and since we we visited together we are in RV and experienced it from totally different perspective. 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145: INTO THE ENDZONE: Is this finally it for Brexit?

Remainiacs - the Brexit Podcast

56:40 min | 1 year ago

145: INTO THE ENDZONE: Is this finally it for Brexit?

"Fall is finally here and so is old navy's big fall sale get thousands of styles from despite bucks all your favorites are on sale now layer up with five. RT's and ten dollar long-sleeve tease for the whole family and stock up on sweaters and dresses for just fifteen dollars plus save more without the seventy five percent off clearance Stein absolutely nobody knows what's going to happen. Meanwhile Britain is preparing for what should be the biggest anti brexit March yet the people's vote March takes place in London this welcome to the pacing outside the waiting room addition of remaining X.. Boris Johnson says of world record forgetting your homework in late the floats idea of another summit meeting after this one place the corner of Curzon Street and Park Lane from twelve noon so we'll see that bring everyone I'm Roy Taylor I've got a couple of regulars here to help us stay into the you want to put up with any longer than last year also with Alexandra political commentator cook an actor I stay nineteenth of October the very same day that parliament is sitting supposedly to debate on the deal that Johnson hasn't yet produced Ra- maniacs will be there missing in the usual currently on tour in Mozart's Seraglio Alex has been all over Britain with this excellent production on Friday he'll be introducing Durham to his Pasha Salim he's been hiding from the miseries of Brexit by watching joker a cautionary town in which a narcissistic sociopathic weird floppy head thinks he's a lot funnier than he really is. I've got the flu so I must apologise listeners for intermittent nays blowing light sneezing that may be gotten microphone and that's dominic it doesn't it feels it feels alarming earthen did you enjoy reporting on what you called them the first mythical Queen's speech faulkner is to do what he wants is oh he's really doing is putting my own of the fucking pump and British constitutional trappings he can on what is a fucking press release unleashes chaos and anarchy on his community there's all areas hello Ian Brexit Britain Gaul some city same thing right what was going on with health and you know to even give it that is to play his fucking gain you not to even go into the content of which frankly it doesn't really sound as much scrutiny anyway I believe year as far as I can say is that the thing is that we just sort of project onto her what your thinking so I kept on just tim this raised eyebrows she was pissy reading out but I think that is just me and the genie I think part of the political problems we have is because of the lack of modernisation in the actual thirty UH salim deal with Cummings I end one scene with the line follow me as I will give you instructions for his torture too hours longer and I think it contributes to an adversarial climate having said that I don't mind if once a year visit a little bit of silliness going on I mean I'm Greek you know have you seen the soldiers outside our parliament But gotcha I mean that really sincerely I'm not being facetious I think setting up you know at the opposing sides actually sitting on this occasion it did fail ridiculous because with two weeks to go to actual doom approach is going to survive brexit does it look a bit silly now look I have I was gonna say I have nothing against it but actually I do I have plenty against it for us to stop and suddenly put on a fucking Gilbert and Sullivan Operetta it just seems ludicrous opposite each other in a chamber with no electronic means of voting which means they have to get up and turn to division rooms makes everything take a special guests this week is writer and broadcaster Mike Butcher editor at large at the tech and be news source tech crunch he's regularly named as one of the most influential people in European Tech uh-huh an actual line from the thing you enjoyed the state opening of parliament to cal pomp and circumstance and pretty hats exit mystery vortex had its politics dot code at UK He's finishing his book how to be a liberal not forget about this coming is country Durham do you think he'll turn up and shout get brexit done open lease led him that how would have passed something fiamma she did seem she did but I do think that that's just me wanting to be the case I'm just desperate for to stand up and as you know what like fuck this shit and yet I can't believe that was many days ago by the way it was like it was about time and yet but on Monday that's what you have to do the whole way through is I mean that was really really fucking depressing Hyundai which has been matched only by the days which are followed right I'm how did the Queen Look she brought to her expression but she needs to get progressively more remover in Shaker technology and you're you're not having an affair with Bruce Johnson I know and tools frontier brexit campaigners tack the UK is behind many of those automated campaigning sites you'll have seen like stop the coup which helped organize anti probation that was quite a key around the block on roundabout twenty thirteen and the pole dancing you wouldn't believe it was amazing I was simply standing on the fence like a lot of business organizations and so we thought in a slightly trolled them and we'd made tech for UK because we and he's also founder of the grassroots per pro final say movement tech for UK which acts as a nexus for anti brexit forces in the tech world and it builds on national the international people and an huge numbers from the EU for obvious reasons and official bodies like oddly enough tech up as well it's been a couple of weeks in social media facebook effectively wash their hands of responsibility for truth and political advertising it seems like tech geeks on engineers developers designers all the polling in the industry for a couple of years well for months shall we say before the referendum very bad look for platform that already has serious trust issues doesn't yeah FACEBOOK has an enormous issues will pretty wear of that felling the revelation flattened see the poll at all I think obviously jot like Jennifer curiae refuse to answer on in case the people wanted to stand the EU and it's an incredibly international industry something like a third of most tech startups and contain people from Internet so depressing because it was the as you report on it and not just when you wrote about it but when you do it has to be treated like Quin speech there so what was in the bills so you know what you can't buy those thousands of people in those groups active in activating and doing things like getting out in streets etc but it can work the other ways tests and my you it shows you how the U is invested in your in Your Area Holly Mike Welcome to the maniacs thanks very much pleasure to be here lobbies have you too Raub we'll be joining joining in rows and Dorian Linski for two PM Grand Matinee show at the lowry theatre on sulfur keys yes yes we know. Sulphur does not strictly speaking Munster but allows a little geographical life on the first weekend after we supposedly leave the European Union t-shirts and early access to the podcast so check your Patriot homepage to find out more meanwhile Arrow Naomi Smith is of the U. Summit in Brussels today we across you wanted to say that there really was a tech industry movement in favor of of the and also to not just sort of say that but also to build tech the second of November will be the Great Rob Ford Professor of politics at the University of Manchester and one of the most lucid and fascinating voices on the whole brexit mess about sexy UK later but what is it and how does it work briefly well The technology industry can help Naomi has asked us to remind listeners to write to your MP's yet again to tell them to back a final say go to best for Britain dot Org Forward Slash Countess of bewildered pellet late absolutely yeah yeah we'll get into the knife edge state of the Brexit non-negotiations later and what if anything we can expect surpassed presents us hope for window maybe she couldn't depictions she's like a hundred yeah well I mean that is a recurring maybe no figs moan it it doesn't matter if you've written to them before the levers are out in force and MP's need to hear from us again and again go to best for Britain dot org that on our side the organic nature of facebook groups specially You know pro you groups is very powerful because you can't advertising is you WANNA balance it's mind Boris Johnson doesn't speak for Britain and will use any extension well to get either another vote or a general election we'll leave the European Union tickets are selling fast so get us now at the lowry dot com of course patron Becker's still get discounts as well as mugs so here we go again fifteen days to go at the time we're recording this nothing concrete on the table yet Boris Johnson scheduled Saturday session for parliament even though Nobody Party delegation of MP's led by Dominic Grieve and David Lamey there joining remain in now and pro euro to show a European partners at Britain has changed about things like Cambridge Analytica is very tough I think to some extent if you want to sort of say that there's something positive I would say that he will come back with some sort of piece of paper shortly I think deal because it is not going to be using bags all that and more after some reminders from Alex we're very excited to announce with a special guests for maniacs live in Manchester on Saturday parliament on Saturday plus how are you holding up for even the most dedicated Romania has been a tough month or two we'll talk about how remain is keeping their heads while all about any idea of what they're supposed to be talking about although maybe they'll be talking about Northern Ireland in we keep being told a dealer insight because Boris Johnson has made major forward slash right and we'll see it remains live at the lowry Manchester at two PM on Saturday the second of November very excited about that it's quite likely now than they do come back with head of terms she's going to be pretty broad outline of where they want to go with a surface level of detail and the concessions is is that right fuck knows So I mean I paul on with assault onto everything I say I think basically everything that anyone says for that would not be signing the joint agreement because we would not exist the legal document would not exist what it would do would be try and create a sort of sense of moral force so it's unclear whether they all of them are on board and it comes down as well to whether people like Dominic grieve end up voting to this deal and comeback theology and the DP on and then those pudge stories like what is their state of play right now these guys that will basically and it's consistent I wouldn't hold that against the board with this deal then Arlene Foster said the sources were talking nonsense sorry I can't hear non rush accident when we need yeah exactly replaces coming to different responses because of course there's various centers of power even within Europe let alone you know when you start to consider what's happening in the UK as well obviously in the UK parliament than have you know the Labor guys and of the DP the G. and even on that basis you got different people were talking in different ways something clearly happening if I had to put money on something chopping you so I know it's difficult is up in the air but it's really a numbers game isn't it it's whether the DP come aboard we're hearing today we heard rumors today that they had people are doing this guesswork of trying to speculate how many Labor MP's plus how many d plus how many of the twenty one who've been kicked out I and Blah Blah Blah so you have two or three but I think the rest of them pretty clear stuff from Kenneth going low level playing field is one of our preconditions when we say we were going to do a deal wrong literally by the time you're hearing this Barbara and we've had two or three days now of something going on things going forwards and backwards especially people with different sources a illegal treaty we're going to have the details and this is the crux of the whole thing the details when being is really ultimately it's in the details of this thing we die but I I think it can I say that you know if you were a bit like the sixties if you were there you know if you remember that you weren't and probably it's it's likely that the EU and UK will want to have some sort of indicative vote process on that on Saturday now that would not if this is what happens won't break cover unless they're assured that their sacrifice will be meaningful so they're not going to piss off the rest of the party and script slightly the it's important to note that that it's not an addition game it's a game of sequential tiles falling because a lot of they would then extend very short extension they would try to do the details on the other side of that that is my guess of how this will go but I'm only sesame wrong everything right now is very very and it creates a really powerful argument for Scotland I think a lot of people are missing this Scotland will be completely justified risk losing their whip to vote for something that doesn't go through anyway and so unless you get the DP and they ear G. People fully on board I didn't turning around and say which Nicholas Sturgeon pretty much said yesterday hold on England voted to leave Wales voted to Lee giving up our own country so those guys are the guys that are in play Er g DP pudge stories that seems to me where the action is not too concerned about do you remember like the Brady Amendment and when that came out the way people acted about it was like it was fucking Moses just come down from the mountain with some great new way forward I think that they'll do that right now. These are not the terms that you laid out and some of them still cling to the things were Oh aww Boris Johnson said Oh I don't know a few months ago saying well this is like an annexation this cetera that's not how it works because Labor MP's on the whole except few a handful of real nut bags awed you can forget about any labor votes that's a given the just not gonNA break for it because of course the proposals that Johnson's putting rounded acceptance if you remember the way they talked about what the hell that man that looks like he's like a human version of like certification of nostril hair the Brady and then why can't you do the same for Scotland who voted in even stronger terms to remain and they will have an excellent point that's impossible mm-hmm throughout the electoral process I'm well he then have to run on an audio platform basically because there are a lot of Tory MP's who still won't Scotland if you can make special dispensation create a special arrangement for Northern Ireland to stay partly within the single market and the customs union into the fold or whether they won't and and and of course Labor MP's as well our dominic grieve. Well I'm I I don't think most Lebron piece off from the obvious sort of John next hour because we we just don't know very lightly not me I'm going to be bang on especially unacceptable but you know this is a very good ones that it'll be sort of it was may plus the the the stuff she offered us ahead of so that's well away much higher up from what we're talking about here the crucial part is is I'm in that sort of emotional territory I'm however there is another way that this goes which is that he is now getting tangled up in the nitty gritty machine fucking it's a worse it's a worse deal and it also takes the axe to various working in environmental rights and it leads to opt out of those doesn't Alex do-or-die in whatever what are the consequences for him if that happens you think you can get away with it I think you can get away with it who battle rationally yeah I've if I was Scottish ib absolutely I mean I'm furious theorist here if I was Scottish he has delivered Brexit it went matter if it's a longer extension we go to election before he's delivered brexit it will be a massive stick with which to beat thanks for they do say reading the briefings changes you and I think that's very much the case it's all very well to swing yoke when you're not many of them have said I will support any do they really going to support any deal that is put in front of them Oh some of them actually look at what's going on here and now that is no enough for us to be some people he will lose a few people it will be used against him I think ultimately if it's a short extension and we go to election after yeah so it's looking like Johnson will have to ask for some sort of short extension having sworn he wouldn't you know it was thirty one I first of October the proposals were judy using come by two thousand pounds per person compared with staying in the U. While Theresa May's which is usually by only fifteen hundred pounds per person but that's a that's a big difference Greece voted in that referendum to reject the European deal and then suddenly he found he was saying I'm going to rip it up and then suddenly he finds himself enough exit that will just eat up all your rhetoric and turn into the most untenable compromise am east side so this if it flips the other way for us it's him getting mad so they're leaving nothern Ireland voted to remain so they're getting special treatment and the only part of the UK that's being completely ignored is went back that no I don't think you will think he will still be trying to triangulate because I think ultimately he doesn't want to deliver an ideal I mean that's what we know now right I mean look at look at him the space having to make the actual decisions and finding that he has to compromise he has to negotiate so I think that's that's the crux I observer can he help often how much can cannot continue to blame blame the fucking indefinitely but it does make it harder I'm not seeing any of the details that basically being given assurances by him and money these are the things that they're being given trust me trust me on you might think we'll have the brexit union me I'm not when you sign your name to it that's a really difficult position to be in yeah I we know that power is what matters Johnson anything else Osho as non specialty the detail that vote count will not go up it will only go down because people will have specific objections to specific stuff that's in the deal eighteen ten Downing Street but once you're in there and you given the briefing by the Secret Service that says if you do X. Then Y. might happen did they are trying to stop brexit undermine the word of the people in order that because you have decided to engage on their terms so it is hard to go back to that original position and he I mean if this foods apart he would eventually have to go back to that more cummings tinged approach towards this whole thing but it will be harder for him to deliver that message once he's gone through this process so now that it's going that up in the machine could be very very different circumstances but it is precisely the situation Cypress found himself in off garage a lot worse than maize deal and this is something that we've heard more about sir this week you kinda changing your put out a report saying that he he is in a bit he's in a fucking spotted bother and and I think it's also worth pointing out that this is the high point for his vote count when the deal exists in feary but no one has seen the diesel because that allows him to spin it differently to each group he can say to the jeers so there's a risk labor and piece of too much of a risk once again as with everything could while we fucking show may I say something just sorry to go kind of abortion right now and actually this is the crunch right so look at the things on looking great right now I'm I'm more nervous now than I have been for some certainly I have I haven't been this nervous since the a detail and then that gives them this lock statement of Light Look there's the common support and then at that point we reset on from remain point of view a fight for the next few months before Oh yeah this is the week this is what you see it going to go for no deal he wouldn't be fucking right now talking about an ordinary customs union he is in this thing because he clearly that does not look like once you've gone in to talk to them it makes that message more difficult one to transmit because you will now dealing on their terms you're you're tacitly by doing this giving up doc from the Queen's speech despite all the note says go goff was a so-called electoral integrity bill And that would mean that you had to show photo ID in order to vote it's really hard brexit he can say to the DUP known in I've looked after he can say to moderate Labour people know narms once that text actually lands and People Zinsou brides so for me this nation has improved the second thing to point out is that it also allows the possibility for remains to attach reason may Oh make sure that we're further away at the end of the whole thing and then for the DP just take the fucking money take the fucking money and on that basis I think he thinks that this could be the moment him to do it because if he doesn't ratification referendum to it to say okay you haven't given us the detail you're asking us to approve it on principle will approve it on principle typically it's a vote in voter suppression tactic Kim to what we see in America in Britain actually have a problem with illegal voting no it doesn't it doesn't so this is his high watermark it's all downhill and that's what's dangerous what's happened the ideas it being suggested now that's why they're so dangerous because now it's okay well we might have a vote without the first one again to put the point across that as a e you twin seven sits in in the UK that choice between a second referendum And a lot of people pointed out that this was doty Brady because a lot of people don't even have voter ID and effects the latest Defcon in Vegas was the hacked into it in thirty seconds the person he did it was a thirteen year old Susan away but they will have that statement of consent based entirely as you say on the fact that there is no detail to cling to just to observe nations a tour I think there was one instance of this I mean especially you know they've done testing test and test they've done as much as you like we we do not have a problem with this issue mm-hmm and to deal or remain in the deal is not worse for me than no deal versus deal which one of which is positively catastrophic to my sister poorest bad and have been proven time and time again at hacker conferences like Defcon which to be insecure now it's going to this place to win and that is why he is behaving the way that he is he's keeping the details away as much as possible most of these guys that are going into Downing Street and people are less likely to access this free forms of ID that are being offered because the more obstacles you put in front of their way the more doesn't go that way and this works for the Tories it's funny how when the opposition to David Blunkett's plan for ID cards and it it seemed to work because we didn't have oddly enough in a way in reason for doing it right and in this case we know the people that are affected we know overwhelmingly ethnic minorities are more likely to to buy the less likely to have available forms of ID provided that you give people the final say that's good I didn't I didn't think we have the numbers for it but but it allows the possibility vice on we fight to win one provision tradition wants to have ID cards for various historical reasons so it just doesn't exist here as a culture here was a big fight wasn't in the I remember about ten fifteen years ago else don't miss out hurry in for thousands of styles from just five bucks now at old navy and old Navy Dot Com valid ten fifteen twenty five select styles only sure now things have been pretty tough on remains in the past few weeks we've had victories like Supreme Court killing off Johnson's attempt to silence parliament and then the connect with the so then you have to ask why is it that we're doing it because I mean unnecessary on didn't notice politics is quite distracted by this thing called Brexit so when you do something else outside of that area you really have to voting an anything goes in the other direction you need a pretty damn good reason why you're doing it and on this there's absolutely no data to suggest that they have it it's a piece isn't it with then the issue of the issues about brexit wouldn't really have happened because the you know the things about you know controlling immigration that's who kept Britain and the U. But the PM is still embarrassing everyone the brexit press and bone MP's keep banging on about the same old points like it's still worse position than we're in right now so we then conduct essentially a guerilla war each new bit of detail you go to the you know you're going to look at what that involves look what that does and Jacob rees-mogg saying this week that he was minded to consider limiting the speaker's powers I wouldn't possibly dream might what's your what's your view the time that may went for a deal and do you remember that morning there was a real like throb of movement and you're GonNa fuck me this could this could get really sketchy and I'm about I'm not quite there yet but and why we if I suppose there's an argument to say that if we if they had had worked I have we had instituted those ID cards a system of ID cards in UK to sixteen and the sheer nastiness leave hardcore never plates sometimes it all gets a bit much but the march this weekend should be a massive okay so yes paper voting is better more secure a less secure in Russia they they have video of people stuffing ballots of I d nearly as readily as also out tradition remember in in the UK was not to have ID cards the continental European this is paper and post based voting is it more or less easily fixed than American voting machines American voting machines are not stuff comes up it always works for the party that happens to being government at the time to do it like constant the direction is the wrong way the direction should be towards encouraging but I I absolutely agree with that this this is absolutely voter suppression because people don't have these forms of fighter of whatever we could have done that inside the EU I love I think we could do that anyway I need ID cards you can put in the controls it is time for action morale-booster and we asked our twitter followers what keeps their spirits up among the ounces were going on brexit twitter pose and skewing the results said Sir Azzam play which country should we move to M. F. B. in which country would you move to people but nice they're like islands of Nova Scotia where the Canadian government will actually pay you money to immigrate there keep coming back to it which is the idea of holding on to objective reality and that that is the thing that pulls me out I'm not to award done any sort of sage status but actually something he said if you months ago I do remain in a way is is great and I think a lot of people want that to happen but also let's talk about like the things that really matter schools hospitals jobs you know and there was lots of star trek watching and deep space nine in quite a lot of people cited daytime drinking illegal drugs which we do not endorse a quite like migrants because they're pretty empty country there uh my friend coming out of a bar like when we went there and he came out and he's like delight French and you go back to what you objectively not to be true which is Xyz and let always calms me down is my sort of meditation no nothing to object to that whatsoever Steve Travis struggle with morale I want to keep your spirits up chorale up I agree with Alex hold onto the objective reality but also I think I'm GonNa be maybe slightly controversial sitting in Romania X. talking about it every time the idea of let's ignore the buzz like with this like numbers game of this deal how many people will vote for you ignore the buzz not go back to Greece or would you know I think my my backup plan is the Dublin or Montreal you know they didn't keep up with a date today my Nisha what's going on they think of something really big happens we'll know about it Mike how about you what do you do too it also it just seems to combine the best of North American European yes yes in a really strange way and also you know and deduction does not sound like an effective method for me I can only flipside not to sort of is also kind of get angry I think remained is a bit too polite and I think that we need to kind of I chess trying to remember that it's important the Brexit it's incredibly important but it isn't everything as well to get a sense of the mind to remind yourself that there are people around you who don't actually care as much about Brexit do I tried to do that sometimes goes every time I step out of this professional those are the things that we talk about an how on what's going to happen to them under what things are going on and and I think the thing is Okay Yeah Montreal yeah me too I it seems in his in Nashville by Yeah Yeah I love a bit of protein but blencoe to my other professional bubble when I worked with loads of musicians and actors take his and they all asked me what's going on genuinely take care of me and apart from vaping and reading comic books obviously is there anything else you have times reducing life that's pretty accurate clearly accurate everything's brexit favoring and comic books I think that's quite an offer any awesome especially from the political stuff and I think the most important thing in isn't just like the German you get from the desire to want to know more about it and the pleasure you get from something the fuck it is with US trains or gardening whatever the hell that just needs to be an area that is separate that you care about the disconnected from your working life whatever it is we only need to extinction rebellion kind of attitude a bit to make things happen dressed up as Broccoli ud nuts unfortunately during that I think the struggle has been you know the the the has been good for us radi has it all the time we spent the last few years thinking about Lodge Rati of other psychedelic drugs yeah plus I like jumping into really cold water and as the as things get colder brexit guests close grandad satellite you know wayward teens but ultimately it does it does Kinda matter if you have a space where there is something that you care about and it really doesn't matter what they call like what is going on we like Harry Potter but honestly the water gets colder and now it's like twelve and a half degrees in it's really cold and you get in you

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#1361, Texas Humane Legislation Network, John Mercer

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#1361, Texas Humane Legislation Network, John Mercer

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Some calm some you know some education some knowledge about about veganism and a lot of things that we're talking about today we've got some beautiful content for you today. Some beautiful guests that are doing beautiful things out here in this world. They really are john. Mercer is coming up at the haffey as a chef at cap mccafe momentum. Which is a nationally recognized nonprofit restaurant and professional training facility in the heart of downtown dallas which provides a twelve month paid post release internship program for young men and women exiting juvenile detention. I can't think of a better project as something that does so much good in the world. And i can't wait to talk with him and we also have stacey sutton kirby coming up here in just a second. She's an amazing woman as well. She's my hero out there heading up the texas humane legislation network. We can't wait to hear from her before we do. We have got a ton of giveaways. I have stuff from the bottom to the top of my steps junior to give away today. So let's get started. It's day two of texas veggie fair on the air here on radio and as i said we've got to give away from stacey and the texas humane network so tell us all about it junior. What are we giving away today so today for our first prize in this bundle. It's a network reusable water bottle. Christie robertson design necklace and some warriors. Lean may meal plant based superfood. So you get all that and then if you win that prize you're also going to be entered into the grand prize which we are going to be given away on friday so definitely want to do that and we're gonna do the giveaway right now. You want him to call an hour. We now all right caller three two one four seven eight seven eleven ninety two third caller in. You are going to get all the stuff that i just mentioned the reuse the network reasonable water bottle the christy robinson designed necklace. Somewhere your lean meal plant based superfood pleasure in for the price. Oh good luck all right and again to one four seven eight. Seven eleven ninety. That's where eleven ninety am which is a station that we are on an iheart media or on iheartmedia. Yes oh yeah. I didn't i forgot to mention. If you're in california or listen to the podcast you can go to instagram at one life radio. Just follow us there. And then there's directions on one of our posts on how you can enter as well so that's why at one life radio instant instagram man. My words grant. The grand prize is awesome. I get so jealous about all the little things down there that i like. Oh my gosh. I want some of those son. Warriors sent these really cool glasses with son warrior on the side. Just cool stuff. You know just really cool stuff. And i'm gonna throw in some stuff too. I'm not sure what yet you know. I i love. I love to give gifts. I really do. It's one of my simple pleasures in life and And let me introduce our. I guess though before we run out of time stacey sutton kirby. I'm so thrilled to have her on the air with us stacey's tenure with a texas humane legislation network or the t. h. l. began in two thousand twelve with fundraising and grassroots organizing since then stacey has worn several hats for t h allen including volunteer coordinator director of operations and legislation liaison stacey served as t. h. l. ends in term executive director in two thousand fifteen when they successfully passed. Hp five ninety three. That's a mandatory. Canine encounter training law and as well in two thousand nineteen. Stacey launched safekeeping which is a program supporting the pets of people exiting crisis and she received her masters in public affairs from lbj school in twenty one thousand nine hundred and return to h. l. in two thousand twenty as the director of government relations stacey volunteers in her local community with the humane society and pales a program supporting the pets of meals on wheels clients. It's my honor to introduce her. Stacey sutton kirby welcome to one life radio thank you so much. I'm so happy to be here. We're so excited to have you that. I forgot to give out your website. Which by the way. I made one hundred dollars donation today. Plus eta the three percent for the credit card charge just to help you guys out. I love the work that you're doing so the website is t. h. l. and that stands for texas humane legislation network. I encourage everyone even. If it's just five dollars give them some money. These guys are doing incredible work. And stacey i respect you so much. Let's talk about what you're doing. What is the mission of the texas humane legislation network. Yes so the texas humane legislation network that name legislation right there in the middle. We are five one. C four nonprofit that focuses on education legislation and advocacy. And we're really heavy on the legislation advocacy part. That is we spend our time. Mostly down at the texas capitol trying to get laws passed to protect animals in texas. Wow well is it difficult. Is it a difficult thing to do. Are more people in their minds. Because you know texas is just known for you. Know lots of cattle and i think that there's awareness it's percolating throughout our society. I completely agree with that. I also think that at the same time you know you fight the battle on more than one front so you also worked to shape the laws in the policies that protect animals. And you know. Of course there's the the habits that we live out in our daily lives it set an example for people but not everyone's gonna follow our model and so we need to make sure that we put in statute that you have to treat animals kindly. Yeah i it's it's so important it's important for so many reasons you know We talked about it yesterday with ingrid newkirk. And it's just it's it's a change that needs to happen. We need to evolve in our thinking that animals really are just like us. They have feelings you know they. They feel emotions. They feel pain. They feel loss all the things that we do as well. But you know when the when the t h alan fights for animal rights on a number of initiatives not just a puppy mills right. So can you give us some examples of the animal rights injustices that you fight against. I am so glad you brought that up. Because you're exactly correct. That most of us just. I shouldn't say most of us. I believe one life. Radio has an enlightened audience. I completely get that and thank you so much for the work that you do. But for a lot of folks the only animals that they might consider the animals in their lives the companion animal. But you're correct. Texas humane legislation network has to protect captive. Wild animals. folks may not realize that it's legal in texas to own a tiger alliance a bear a chimpanzee. But there's no meaningful regulation around that so we've worked alongside other animal welfare organizations such session after session to try to get some meaningful regulations put in place. We've stepped up to the plate for texas wildlife. Not all the you know. Hug fluffy animals but animals like rattlesnakes and lizards. There are some very intimate practices involved in gathering those animal up more for example rattlesnake roundups. And we said you know we need to protect all of our animals including the one that You know have poisonous venom venom. In may this is their environment to and they should be allowed to you know. Live out their lives. Particularly with these Ways that they were being gathered up that were harming the environment we also Stood shoulder to shoulder with the other organizations that outlawed shark finning off the texas coast. Texas was a hot spot for the trading of surgery. So yeah so those are just some of the Populations of animals that shown always hit folks radar but We it's been our know and our duty for the last forty five years to go down to the legislature. Educate legislators about these practices because they may not know. This was happening in their district happening in their state and then try to get commonsense meaningful laws. Put in place to outlaw the cruelty. Wow and it's a shame that we have to. We have to you know make laws. It should become insensitive. Don't treat anyone with disrespect or harm or you know. I can't even wrap my head around it really. I mean i love animals so much. I always have and i and i think it says a lot about a person to the respect that they have for animals is commonly. I respect that they have for mankind as well. But can you tell us about some of the legislation that you have helped pass in the state of texas sewer back in and i may be going back and forth between sessions Back in two thousand eleven when i was Relatively new working on the legislation side t h lynn. Help to pass pets in protective orders. And i want to bring that up because pets part of our family and oftentimes if someone is in a domestic violence family violence situation. They may be unwilling to leave their partner. If they can't safely take their pet with them and this means that they would stay with an abuser longer than they would otherwise and so putting pets in protective orders meant making people safer because now the abuser could not legally target that person's animal Some other bills. We've worked on you mentioned puppy mills and i think we may be getting into that a little bit more later in the interview we worked on the canine encounter bill which you mentioned. So prior to the passage of h one five nine three in the twenty fifteen legislative session. There was no training texas peace officers and we were having a lot of incidents. Where people's pet dogs were being shot by law enforcement so now to get your law enforcement badge before you graduate you have to go through mandatory training where you learn to interpret Dr behavior and look for signs of someone having a dog on their property and learn how to escalate with the dog when when peace officers police officers are called out to a site. they're generally not called there because of the dog but they encountered the dog while they're there for other reasons and so got After the passage of that bill the incident of Fatal encounters has just dropped precipitously. We also worked on the method of sp three sixty which ended the carbon monoxide suffocation of animals in texas municipal shelters so now if they veterinarian or director decides decides that an animal is suffering so badly that they should be. Euthanized is no longer legal to use a gas chamber to do that. Ta pursue speed three sixty. So that the own way to legally you the nice an animal shelter is through injection. So those are some of else we've worked on. I i. I know that i could go on and on but i think was amazing. View i mean. I didn't know that they still guest anything. Let alone a poor really. I didn't even know that. I thought that was outlawed. Just across the world. You know like i don't know fifty years ago. I mean i can't believe that that's still going was still going on and good for you for all the work that you've done in the passion that you have for this these projects. Oh well thank you. I i have to credit. Our members are subscribers are followers people who care about animals and i'd say texas is a really dynamic place you know. We definitely have our Reputation for being an outlier sometimes being very far behind with regard to animal protection But then we've also got you know we have thousands and thousands of people across the state who really care and they don't want their communities and their state to be branded with being the last to you know implement a humane solution to whatever animal issue We're talking about so i would say texas. Yeah we do get a black guy for some of our problems. But i don't say there are so many loving hearts out there who wanna do right and don't wanna see a texas animal treated cruelly that just put a smile on my face and you know one of your slogans. Your t shirts that you're selling all your merchandise is really cool by the way i encourage everyone to go to t h l anon. Check it out. chain for trucks not pups. I like that that's right. Yeah unchained is my favorite dog. They've got some great t shirts. You guys check them out. And we have a winner by the way and we're going to go to break but before we do. I wanted to announce its julio. How meal am i saying it right. I'm terrible better than i would have said it. So julio thank you so much from irving texas for listening and we're gonna continue on here. We've got stacey sutton kirby and john mercer so stay tuned. Everyone you're listening to one life radio now. We begin their way. The report follow us on social media. Radio welcome back everyone. Every time i hear this song. I think of kip watson and being in studio with she and danny miles to used to play it to annoy her. Oh my gosh. Because she had to play it so much in college when she was a radio. Dj in college anyway. It's a funny story. I can just see kip space right now. I miss being in studio. You know where. We've got a studio at my home now. Which has worked out really well. This cove nineteen crisis has really changed a lot of things in everyone's world. Some of them better some of them some of them. Good so and we all have to learn to navigate through this thing called life right. And that's what we try to do here on one life radio and we are live from dallas texas on iheartmedia as well as km et and southern california. So welcome back. We're continuing on. With stacey sutton kirby it is the texas veggie fair live on the air here on one life radio and if you're just now joining us let me reintroduce stacey she stacey's tenure with texas humane legislation Network or t h m. It's known began in two thousand twelve with fundraising and grassroots organizing. Since then stacey has warned several hats for the l. anon including volunteer coordinator director of operations and legislation liaison stacey served as t. h. l. interim executive director in two thousand fifteen when they successfully pass the hp five ninety three the mandatory. Canine encounter training law as well in two thousand nine hundred. And stacey launched safekeeping a program supporting the pets of people existing excuse me not existing but exiting crisis. She received her masters in public affairs from the lbj's school in august of twenty nineteen and returned to t h allen and twenty twenty as the director of government relations. And so we are here today talking about the texas humane legislation network and the important work that they do so stacy in your opinion what animal welfare issues are the most pressing in texas right now on so glad you asked about that. Bernadette the top of mind our of issues one that we see primarily really impacting folks in urban communities. Although it happens in the rural areas as well and that would be homeless pets We know in dallas and in houston have quite a large number of strays. And i think the solution to that. As i mentioned earlier has to be multi prawn. You know we do have to have good policy in place but education and helping people access. Low-cost no cost spay neuter for their pets and during people to adopt instead of shopping for their next family member. Yeah i i'm so sorry. Go ahead no. I was just gonna say i could not agree with you more. It was just a little a little break in the sound there So i apologize but continue on. This is a very important topic. Yeah some years ago. I wanna say it was back in the early two. Thousands t h. Lynn got the animal-friendly license plate. Bill passed and for any of the listeners. Who might not know this already whenever you purchase one of those vanity license plates the extra funds that the state charges for what they call vanity plate goes towards low cost and no cost spay neuter in programs all across the state so i would encourage that. Not only the great. Look putting that on the back of your vehicle but Help folks across the state health programs that help people to access civilization for their pets because texas topped the list last year. I did some research on this recently. One hundred and twenty five thousand shelter. Pet were euthanized. And you know. We talked about this a little bit earlier. There are some places where we've got so much work to do because we're lagging so far behind the rest of the forty nine and i myself. I think that's something that we've got some real common sense answers to. We need to roll up our sleeves and do the work the other i think maybe people really may have seen. I didn't tune in. Because i was already familiar with joe exotic but there is open to now that was in but that trade in breeding of dangerous wild animals. It's a thriving industry in the south and in texas in particular. And i think it not only cruel to the animals of course when you have a roadside zoos and and you have a place where people come and they do. The pet cub petting. it's also really dangerous for human. I mean these are not safe to have these type of operations. Caesar not the kinds of places where there's a veterinarian fulltime employed and where the animals attritional needs are being met and where the enclosures are safe. I mean i think that's the a pressing issue and i. I think we need to get serious about tackling absolutely. I've been by that You know it's up. Only a couple of hundred miles from dallas on the way to norman or oklahoma city. You know it's kind of like at the midway point. And i mean it's just ridiculous. I mean who who thought that was a good idea and we do need laws in place. Like what you're doing to stop people that are too ignorant to stop on their own from doing stuff like that. It's so annoying. It's just really annoying for me to even listen to it We we we have to roll up our sleeves. There's a lot of work to do especially in the state of texas. And you know i don't know if you know anything about me at all but you know i have eleven dogs and ten cats. Every one of them came off of the street. Stacey every single one of and i have picked up thousands over the years and so it's a real problem. It has better here in dallas because there was a mauling. A woman was basically bitten to death by a pack of dogs. That we're just down the street starving and mad. You know because they had no shelter no food no water known no love no home no nothing and how can we expect anything from anything else from an animal that suffering. And so actually write. It was having a discussion with a gentleman the other day and unfortunately his neighbor had been involved by two pit bull dogs and he said oh you know he made some comments about the breed and i said you know it's a loose dog problem although the face of that they are not born to be a militias bree lack of nurture. It's not their nature. So i completely agree with you. You know dogs in particular. They're meant to be with us. They've been with us for over. Ten thousand maybe fifteen thousand years and for us to abandon them to the streets or to allow people who would profit off of them by treating them cruelly with dog fighting or running a puppy mill. I mean what a betrayal and we don't think we don't think the majority of texans would agree with that they just maybe haven't peeked inside to see what those operations look like. Yeah and there's like you said there's a lot of work to do. But i know you recently added a new sister organization the texas humane network. How does this group differ from the t. H l anon. How can we help them as well. Oh i'm so excited that you're asking me about this so the texas humane network will be the five and is we just launched it. The five hundred one c three so in the In the category of nonprofits if you're five one. C four like the texas humane legislation network. Your donations are not tax deductible because we engage in political lobbying but the five oh one c. three the texas humane network focuses exclusively on humane education of children and adults. All donations are tax deductible. But we will people don't even care about that. They're just so excited that we have a humane library. We have humane curriculum for teaching elementary school. Children things like how to have empathy and show respect to animals basics of animal behavior and pet care and we are supporting during the time of covid. This is a little hard right we did. We did so in the past and we hope to get back to doing critter camps and that is for example when i was at the austin humane society teaching a critter camp. Not only did we take them on a shelter tour to see the kittens and the puppies. The austin wildlife Rehab irs brought in some of the animals. They were taking care of help to explain like you said earlier. All of these animals there like us they have needs. They have families they desire to be safe and live in their home and these early lessons are so important for raising a humane generation. Am i getting those little wheels turning in their heads but we all knew at a texas humane network we humane education and professional training for adult so for example attorneys can come to our presentations and get continued. Legal education units for learning about the laws that protect the animals from cruelty and that is really helpful for folks who may not realize. They're witnessing cruelty or may not know how to identify it so professional trainings that we do for attorneys and animal control officers. We get invited sometimes to go and speak to those groups to help the folks that are the boots on the ground. Do their jobs better. Wow well i can't thank you enough for jumping on the show today. Do a fine job representing the texas humane network as well as the My gosh i just think just not. Their tongue tires yes organizations. Yes yes thank you so much helping me out But yeah it's so great to have you on the air. And as i said i made a donation. I hope everyone out there listening. If you're welcome it was my pleasure. My honor actually and anyone out there that can help. Please help These guys are doing incredible work. And it'll make all of our all of us our world a better place so stacey thank you so much and have a great election day and stay safe okay so much all right humane network dot org thanks. Y'all you care you too. All right everyone yes. It's t. h. T. h. l. n. dot org and we've got john mercer coming up. This is a great show today. And we've got more giveaway. So stay tuned. You're listening to texas veggie fair on the air take on stopped collaborate endless ice it back with thin grabs a hold them tightly like a hawk daily and nightly turn off the lights and close to the extreme. I welcome mike van stage and watch like paying interest speaking of that boom like a poisonous mostly when i play. Don't melanie anything. Left is the best felony. Love for leave it. I can't wait. I don't play was a problem. joe. I'll check out the hook. Details is some us on facebook. Hit like and follow us one life. Radio welcome back everyone your listening to one life radio. This is bernadette. And i'm here with junior and john mercer. We are live from dallas texas iheartmedia as well as k. m. e. t. in southern california on. Abc news talk. And we've got another giveaway. But i want to introduce john mercer. I because i want him to be part of this fabulous giveaway John are you there. Thank you all right. Yeah so john mercer. Let me tell you a little bit about him. He's a wonderful man. He is a chef at cafe momentum. A nationally recognized nonprofit restaurant and professional training facility in the heart of downtown dallas which provides a twelve month paid post released. Inter should internship program for young men and women exiting juvenile detention and prior to joining kathy momentum. John ladder and mentored as executive chef at whole foods park lane for several years. John has also cooked at modern vegan. Kitchen their website is cafe momentum dot org and on instagram. It's at capi momentum. They are doing incredible things. We're going to get right to this in just a minute. But i want to give Do the giveaway giveaway number two. Today for texas veggie fair on the air with one life radio and john you brought us a cafe momentum goodie bag with all kinds of stuff in it junior. You wanna tell us all about it. Oh my gosh. There's so much good stuff got the amazing housemaid strawberry vinegar plus you get the spicy housemaid jalapeno powder day create change hat and then cafe momentum. Also donate a bunch of stuff. That's going to be in the grand prize that were given away on fridays. If you win this prize right now you're entered into the grand prize and into the grand prize has housemaid coffee rub texas cavern vinegar fire salt and you get these limited edition dish towels that say eat drink. Change lives so that's gonna be the grand prize. You also have no chance to win the grand prize if you're listening in california on k. Or on our podcast at one life radio instagram. You can enter there as well and then so be the third caller right two four seven eight seven eleven ninety caller three good luck. I'll be waiting for the calls. All right one four seven eight seven eleven ninety those tea towel so i loved him so much. I bought three to put on my on my stove. I have Every john i don't know about you probably don't do this because you're not a girl but you are a chef and and i know that you love tea towels and you probably took one in your apron when you're cooking but i like to have beautiful tea towels three of them on my long bar on my big stove i have a six burner gas stove and and i love to cook as well but It's such an honor to have you on the show and thank you so much for being so gracious and giving away so many prizes to our listeners. I know that they really appreciate it. Everybody's been very excited this week. Thank you very much for having me on. And i'd also like to thank jamie for contact me to get this chance to be with him for many years and i i can't say enough. How much jamie's friendship isn't it to me through the things that i have done and just getting out there to the pharisee and the people that the volunteers that put that together every single year for us is Thank you so much. Yeah jamie in and joy they do a lot of work here in the community they are fantastic people and yes they did bring us all together and so a big. Thank you from from myself and all the team at one life radio as well. But you're an amazing guy. And i want. I want people to know how amazing you are. And i did. I can't wait to get my tea towels. But w- i love stuff like that. But you know what you do is so amazing cafe momentum because you provide culinary opportunities for teens coming out of juvenile detention system and so can you tell our listeners. How does the program work was you gave him a pretty good rundown is it is a twelve months. Post release paid internship that said To second elevator speech but there they come into our restaurant and they get to work every aspect of the restaurant front to back. They have a full house so they do work in the bakery. There'd be three interns working right next to the chefs in the kitchen at least the preparing your meals if you come in if you come in and dine with this. You're going to have something that an intern. They it's not just flipping burgers and drop and fries with them. Nothing wrong with that but they rise to whatever we ask them to do so they start in the dish room like most kitchens and then they worked theirselves all the way around from dish to line to bakery out front. They do hostess. they also wait tables. They bus and they can learn as much as they want. Or you know in some cases little as they want so awesome. What you've done. What was the catalyst. What inspired you to to move in this direction well The program was started by a man named chad elder. And we have an incredible team. It's a. I am just one part of that team in the cooking and But chedda started this Way back when he didn't ice cream competition farmers market woodson young men from one of the facilities in dallas and they came in and they cook. some ice. Didn't cook some ice cream and as they were doing that. you know. there's a very fun little story. One of the kids came up to chat and just him. I just love to cook or item. So do i. Any says to him. I wanna make people smile food. Such a took off after that and that young actually won the contest against other culinary students in some shifts so that was pretty cool and on the way home. He thought to himself. You know that kids going to go back to the same same corner that same house. Same area that you came from after he gets out and what is he had to do. And why can't someone help with that. And driving basically said no no no no not someone why not music so he He dumped a lot of things and started. The hustle is the kids would say to get enough money to start this program. We've been brick and mortar for five hundred four years now and it took quite a bit longer than that to raise the funds and the awareness to get going well and you guys have worked so hard. You've you've you've accomplished so much and and also you've got some exciting news that you just announced that cafe momentum going national. I mean that's incredible. So what does that mean for the company for as going national that just means plain and simple that we can help more kids and more cities not just dfw Places we're reaching out at needs and there's needs all the way across the country Also the opportunity to show other communities their what their kids are capable of doing and bring some good food to new slots. Yeah i mean you're going to help a lot of children and goodness knows we need it for sure. There's so many children out there that just get left behind they do And and and it's all about eight drink a change lives right I mean. I've i've been there for a little over three years and i can truly say that i'm not been happier in my cooking life then now and that's not being. I have enjoyed cooking the whole time but some days when you come to work the kids carry you through and then other days sometimes you gets put your head down and cook great food to make you work. Yeah and here in dallas. You guys are open. A thursday friday and saturday right a take reservations Reservations are good right now because as so many restaurants in the area we've had to take smaller. Amount of people in a reservation could be helpful. But we're do. Our best for every walking began. Five thirty to nine thirty thursday friday and saturday we all full service catering as well. Yeah and you have a food truck. I'm thinking about having you guys. Come out and do a a food truck for our christmas party at my house. Wouldn't that be fun. Louis out here Partnered with the ruthies rolling gourmet crew. And we have several interns that have exited our program successfully and one over there to work with them in their food trucks It is good cheese and yes. They do have a vegan option A lot of fun watching the kids you know come out of our place and then stepped foot into You know so to speak the real working world and see what successes they have out. There and reviews helps a lot with that. It's it's all good it really is. It's so beautiful. What you guys are doing and so for the kids. What does the twelve month training program look like. Okay so as So they come into us and they work each station to the restaurant but the restaurant is only a part of what we do. We're In the whole holistic encompassing program. We are very fortunate to have a programming. Crews that does all sorts of different programs for the kids such as education. They have to be in school while they're with us. It is not a a maybe it is a requirement. They must meet a minimum hours of school attendance to get on the schedule. We have our own school now in our four thousand square foot community center That's very very close to thanksgiving our area tunnels if anybody remembers those and he has so we have down there and that is who handles. Our school is we've graduated. I believe nine from our school. The first two years was in action. And we have several in the way to graduation. Now that's also where our full-time psychologists that does counseling for the kid. We also have case managers for each intern. We have that's where our Director of intern experiences there as well. And she arranges only mill trainings Group discussion and lots and mean if you think of it something that child in this situation my knee. There's a good chance that we've done our best to provide. That's so wonderful. It really is and i bet you have some some favorite stories. Can you share one of them with us. One of your personal success stories with these kids. I go one for myself and then equivalent from a kid. Very first night. I came in there to work. I was super nervous. 'cause i'm going into work in calgary shifts maybe personally i didn't think i was worthy of working But i came in there and had to jump on a line. You know came in on a monday and started cooking on a thursday and i walked in there and there is a very young lady. probably around sixteen years old Also very small stature. that was Just handling that line like nobody's business and watching her do that Put a very big wake up to me. And it's like look at this this young lady. Just doing what she's supposed to pick it up. Sixteen inch cast iron skillet so bullpens because she couldn't actually lifting won t really really calm down and she will never know how much it for me. Being there really learn to step back and listen to a little better and understand different sides of life. Yeah absolutely and that's what that's what it's all about right That's how we grow. But we're gonna go to a quick break everyone. We're speaking john mercer. He is a chef at cafe. Momentum and a nationally recognized are it is a nationally recognized nonprofit restaurant here in doubt downtown dallas. We will be right back. You're listening to texas veggie fair on the air at one life radio right back with something. Good speed distant with my last. Tell me lies. Tell me week music. You're listening to radio. Make sure you check out our podcast and get to know the show at one life. Radio dot com local back everyone. You're listening to texas veggie. Fair live on the air here on one life radio. This is bernadette that with junior and john mercer He is a chef at cafe. Momentum nationally recognized nonprofit restaurant and professional training facility in the heart of downtown dallas which provides a twelve month paid post release internship program for young men and women exiting juvenile detention and prior to joining kathy momentum. John led and mentored executive shop at whole foods. Park lane for several years and john also cooked e-eits modern vegan kitchen. His website is cafe momentum. Dot org that's cafe momentum dot org or on instagram at cafe momentum and i said his website. It's their website. You guys are an incredible team and you. You're out there changing the world. One child at a time right. We do our best to at well. I think you do a good job based on what i've heard and let me ask you this. The keep you updated on their future endeavors after they leave do so while that we were given an opportunity to make a link up with a dallas college which several of us that work at the restaurant graduated from areas programs at el centro dealing with the hospitality industry and They're they're so great that they're meeting kids halfway. They come out of our program has successfully and then have their diploma gd or etc then they can jump right into any program. The dallas county has for them We have about three in culinary school right now and we have one that will be finishing up her nursing assistant degree and then hopefully she gets a jump right into nursing young man that i was particularly close to Recently joined the navy. So i'm proud of him for that And many of them out there working in other ways not just in hospitality world but you can see them a lot of different places in dallas and i you know every every child deserves a chance they do and so. Does this help with with recidivism As far as re-offending going back out into world this is. This has got to like really put the brakes on that. Don't you think. I mean are recieving. Recidivism rate is quite a bit lower than the states. Were just kind of leave it around that without getting into a direct numbers of about seven thousand youth. Enter the juvenile justice system each year in dallas. And you know when they get out where they chose to go We've all learned for adult. How hard it is to get a job after being incarcerated for many different reasons and you know the kids get out the same thing. They say something. They will often behind in school By not just months but years and you know with our school stepping in that has been an incredible thing. this mary. Art school instructor has taken kids. That were at least two years and graduated immediately. It's it's when i say immediately. Just they're so overwhelmed by how fast they're able to do it and You know we always need tutors at school as well. My wife tutors there. And that's an open invitation in your body can offer that but Once they get out and they come to us we do everything we can to give them the stable environment in a way to make money and that there's a belief and there are other ways and John thank you so much. we're out of time. I hear the music such an honor to have you on the show and thank you from all of us A big thank you to the work that you're doing to unity and the world. John mercer everyone visit them at cafe. Momentum dot org do you get one body you get one mind and you get one live. Get out there and do something with it.

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December 3, 2019

POLITICO Playbook Audio Briefing

06:20 min | 1 year ago

December 3, 2019

"Good Tuesday morning. I'm Anna Palmer. Walked your politico playbook audio briefing stay tuned after the show for a message from Amazon President. Donald trump trump is in London for the NATO summit. He's already meet some pretty strong statements. Here are the top headlines The president said he will meet with UK. Prime Minister Boris Johnson. He said he has no thoughts on John's election because he doesn't want to complicate it. Trump also hit back on French President Emmanuel Macron statement that NATO is brain dead trump said nobody needs NATO more than France and that the country that benefits the least from it is the. US still trump said their relationship his fine. The president also called impeachment a hoax and he said censure is unacceptable because he didn't do anything wrong. It's unclear if trump was sanctioned TUR- not over buying Russian military queant the presence that he likes Turkey and then he gets along very well with the president and he's very good member of NATO. We'll be we've got a first look this morning on both parties strategy going into the judiciary committee phase of impeachment. How stem released video this morning? That opens with this two weeks of testimony one story of betrayal. Then it ticks off the most damning testimony from witnesses. Meanwhile Republicans are preparing to deal with House Judiciary Chairman Chairman Jerry Nadler after two weeks of Intel chairman. Adam Schiff running. They very tight ship on Wednesday. The House Judiciary Committee. We'll take over. Judiciary was sidelined once. So there's a lot at stake for the panel led by Nadler and filled with some of the most conservative and Liberal members of Congress. Republicans feel they have an opportunity to slow Democrats momentum. And here's how they think they're going to do it. Republicans are going to throw up. More procedural roadblocks representative Doug Collins the the top Republican on Judiciary is going to force procedural arguments with Nadler and fight when Democrats. Try to bat them away. This is a marked difference from how representative Devin Nunes conducted himself. Remember the steele dossier. Collins is an attorney and these hearings aren't investigative in nature so Republicans will focus on the definition terms like bribery and the standard of proof. Republicans believed that unlike Schiff. Now there can be knocked off kilter easily where shifts spoke contemporaneous. -Ly now they're according. The Republican research tends to rely on notes. Here's some of the big players to watch. Republicans are again going to rely on representatives Jim Jordan and John Ratcliffe Judiciary Watch Republicans to complain a lot. Would they consider an unjust process. The talk about documents they didn't get an ability for them to talk to fact witnesses and when it comes time they'll seek to discredit the shift report. As being part of what they consider a broken process. Another another change look for Collins Talk to the press. Newness has an almost blanket rule that he will not speak to. Most reporters. Collins is expected to gaggle frequently as is he did during the Robert Muller Process. But a word of caution don't expect fireworks until set a high bar Futa Hill and the other witnesses were explosive Republican judiciary insiders make this point to Sherry's witnesses are not going to be fact witnesses with firsthand knowledge of the issues at hand and they expect them to be a bit more more dull case in point. When's as hearing is an academic exercise with professors lining up to discuss the history of impeachment and high crimes and misdemeanors even the professors? The Democrats called. We're not household names to most people outside the legal community. The your time is up with a piece out of Kiev. That will certainly certainly be of interest to shift and company they reporting that Ukraine new of aid-freeze into lie according to a former top official and some news. I'm going to sit down with speaker. Nancy Pelosi a week from today for keynote conversation at the twenty nineteen women rule summit in Washington. DC You can check out the full agenda online and request. Tickets gets the spaces filling up. The Washington Post is reporting that attorney general bill bars disputing a key finding that the FBI had enough information in July twenty sixteen to launch investigation into members of the trump campaign. This is part of an upcoming inspector. General port about the FBI's rush investigation. And here's the latest on trade. Great Politico is reporting that trump has conquered senate republicans. WHO disagree with non-trade? We'll Doug Palmer and Mark Scott dig into trump's latest trade war on French champagne versus taxes and on the twenty twenty front. Natasha correctly is out with a story. And how Joe Biden told reporters Monday. He doesn't need Barack Obama's endorsement in the Democratic primary. He also scoffed at the notion that Elizabeth Warren is building enthusiasm and accused Mayor Pete Buddha judge of stealing stealing his plans us. What's on tap for trump's Tuesday? The president is in London for the NATO summit he will leave Winfield House at eleven. AM local time for the Intercontinental Intercontinental. London Park Lane where he will participate in roundtable with supporters. Afterward returned to Winfield House. He will participate in a restricted bilateral meeting meeting and then an expanded bilateral meeting with French President Emmanuel Macron at two PM trump. Also meet with Canadian. Prime Minister Justin Trudeau at three thirty. APM TRUMP and first lady. Melania trump will leave winfield house at four fifty five PM. wrote to Clarence House. They will have tea at five fifteen pm with the Prince of Wales and and the Duchess of Cornwall afterward. They will head to Buckingham Palace where they will attend NATO reception hosted by Queen Elizabeth. The two will leave for number ten Downing Street at seven thirty five PM. Attend a needle leaders reception hosted by administer worst Johnson afterward it will return to winfield house subscribe. I do playbook at politico dot com slash playbook. This podcast is sponsored by Amazon. Who's delivering your packages Amazon's delivery service partner program puts entrepreneurs in the driver's seat of their own businesses? These small business owners get support from Amazon. To grow a successful package delivery business with low start startup costs built-in demand and access to Amazon's technology and logistics experience find out more at logistics dot Amazon Dot Com.

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The Giant Tree-ster Eggs Of Petrified Forest National Park

Parklandia

30:28 min | 1 year ago

The Giant Tree-ster Eggs Of Petrified Forest National Park

"Ever since we sold our loft in chicago and started living in an r._v. full time. It's always good to find things that really make us feel at home. Wherever we are that's so true and so important. I remember really getting into gold real not when we're in chicago and we just enjoy it on our rooftop. Dak on those precious few summer nights we had in chicago it just so refreshing and just goes with everything especially at sunset with ice cold gold peak real brew t the comforts of home are never far away. You can find your favorite gold peak tea flavor at any retailer near you yeah. That's very true gold pierro t the tastes that brings your home if we were to hop into a time time machine and travel back to the year two hundred twenty million b._c. Let's just say things wouldn't go well for us. This was a time when the food chain was dominated by crocodiles the size of our r._v. <unk> when salamander like creatures were the size of great danes and when modern day arizona was a veritable jurassic park of dinosaurs in jungles. Imagine us basically basically visiting eastland newborn drastic park but instead of having jeff goldblum pippi comic relief. It's pure terror and there's no dr grant or laura dern to save you. Drag it to me because i get to meet chris pratt than oh. You're i mean i'm jumping into the wrong jurassic park. That's but i know barely the same franchise. I know <music> fortunately arizona's mud safer in two thousand nineteen when your biggest risk is getting a sunburn yeah but part of the prehistoric era has been fossilized and preserved and we're gonna senate enjoy that today on park land as we talk about petrified forest national park. I'm matt and i'm brad. We sold our loft in chicago and gave up our city dwelling swelling existence to live in an r._v. and travel the country full-time dust and our dog fan. Thanks for listening and the most notable aspect of this prehistoric time period where does the ambiance of crystallized logs that give petrified national park its name a trip to this park and out of the way destination sleepy northeastern arizona reveals a glimpse into a wild past more so than any other national park. I mean it feels like a figurative time travel through this fossilized world yeah. That's absolutely true. One thing i think is important to point out for anyone coming here expecting some sort of forest which is fair. You really shouldn't expect anything tropical or jungle lake. This isn't the year tuned in twenty million b._c. Anymore fortunately nowadays. There really really isn't anything forest st whatsoever and honestly the only green thing you're likely to see here's my cactus phone case well. You have to tell everyone your phone cases name. Yeah yeah it's cactus. Jack is the name of my phone case and once you name it real person <hes> named it after a mexican restaurant chain that i remember seeing in new hampshire growing up. I don't know if it was beyond that and i honestly don't remember eating there but apparently left enough of an impact that of now named my phone case after it yeah. I guess you'd probably get back acta landscape though yeah what's yeah let's get back the landscape here petrified forest is almost eerily quiet really with not not not many animals aside from the occasional crow which kind of fits this arid barren landscape but in spite of its name which sounds rather lush provide forest is a desert with mostly just sandstone and these gigantic fallen logs that have been transformed firmed over time into shimmering crystals. That's that it's all just dystopia and era though this this landscape is really really rich with natural beauty and of course plenty of instagram opportunities. Yes all those instagram opportunities. I mean the pictures that we got here are probably some of my favorite for it from a beautiful yeah. They're like it's a hauntingly beautiful area and it really comes out. Ellen photos don't really need to use filters on its stream for that hashtag no filter yeah exactly <hes> so in addition to dinosaur fossils and petroglyphs left behind by native peoples who used to live here petrified forest is is also a well preserved look at these mighty trees that once thrived in this region when this part of arizona was a tropical terrain now these trees have long johnston's fallen mostly due to raging rivers that toppled them and ultimately bound up bearing them in volcanic ash and silt and beth fossilising them over the course of hundreds of millions of years. I mean they really are the stars of the show here. The petrified forest i mean with some of the most densest concentration of log seen in places like the painted desert the rainbow forest the giant forest always get their names from how massive club all these logs are today. I mean the old faithful full for instance not to be confused with yellowstone's. Main attraction is a looming giant log in the giant forest. I mean it's as wide as a bus huge. I i mean we should really just throw back way back to how these logs came to be. I mean you're really better at describing yeah all right. I'm gonna give you the betty crocker occur recipe version of how petrified logs or formed <hes> so when these trees fell and became buried in sediment nash that essentially cuts off oxygen in in the word yeah no more oxygen so eventually water we'll see ben and when it makes the sediment if form silica in the ash and begins begins the slow long drawn out process of transforming the original tissue in the wood into rock and along the way the silica turns into courts and it gets its colors based on various mineral content from things like chromium and iron and carbon and so fast forward a couple of hundred million years and that sudden is removed by wind and these laws are now exposed as glistening essentially giant gems with colors purple purple green blue basically. It's a desert filled with these gigantic easter egg looking logs process that led the petrified forest. I mean it's a lengthy anthony elaborate recipe for mother nature just like you mentioned they known there. The results may sound like there's stale or hard rock but they're beautifully breath taking and it's unlike anything else i've seen on earth and we've been well traveled so it's one of those things like it's just a it's so oh beautiful how this park contains some of the most concentrated collections petrified woods which people end up trying to steal which is not not okay yeah. Leave them be <hes> more so than most parks. <hes> petrified forest for better or worse is known as kind of a drive through park. A lot of people. Don't spend a ton of time here which is kind of unfortunate because there's a lot to see <hes> but it's understandable. That's mostly due to the fact that the park is not very a huge to begin with but then it's bisected by this main park road on there are two entrances one of the north end one in the south end and then you have this main park ride that goes is right there with a few little trails here and they're off that go off that road <hes> but on the positive side of that it is refreshingly straightforward word and it makes it very easy to navigate this park with very clear markers denoting hiking trails historic sites and viewpoints along the way. It's compared to a lot of other parks that are like like yellowstone or yosemite which like kind of a dizzying array of entry points and it's a little overwhelming so especially for newbies orbiting for the first time petrified forest is very doable and very welcoming that way. It's not as intimidating. I found that very refreshing the trails rail one of the must see stops. Me was the blue mesa trail. I mean as easy as the name is it was located off the blue mesa the road then we say it was pretty straightforward various straightforward you know exactly where you're going with the blue mesa road trail and this one is located right in the middle of the park. I mean the trails and easy like one mile loop <hes> but within a short distance it really packs a punch. I mean the whole thing is paved so starting out along the mesa ridge with sweeping views of the surrounding surrounding desert. I mean you quickly. Get transformed in this trail and you get to we've down into some colorful bland's. It's lit with tens of purples and blue hence the name. I know her and i mean once we reach the bottom. The trail loops through a forest petrified logs many of them the size of boulders. I mean between the colors of the badlands and the petrified wood is trails as colorful as the las vegas strip. Oh i mean no neon signs. Though i mean it's known me casino just as colorful justice colorful i mean it's just a great place to get a work call which met did not not like <hes> but when you're helping guide and run a business sometimes you have to take those phone calls <hes> right in the middle of a drought rape. Yeah i mean one another pro of this trails. It's a great trail for passive aggressively storming away <hes> it's nice and flat great for that <hes> yeah i mean when you're not doing that. We're not being annoyed. <hes> it's just a great stroll to take photos and enjoy the scenery and the best part for us but we loved the most was being able to take take our dog fen phen he so amazing i mean watching any run is like watching a t. Rex on forefront arms d._v._d.'s yeah pretty much pretty much so so cute so fun and he's a he's a mini dachshund so he's he's not his fattest. He was thirteen pounds six and as right now. He's about thirteen pounds. He's just small brown haired short haired mini dachshund and he is our best friend and or companion and whenever i'm feeling emotional emotional he's always there for me and fin is really more than just our dog use our friend and that's why we really enjoy going to these national parks with him yeah and bringing him whenever really cool but if there's bears out there gators we definitely stay away from now but yeah it was. It's really great to be able to experience experience stuff like this with him and not all national parks are like you said very dog. Friendly petrified forest really is it's one of the most friendly parks in the system stem and it's cool to be able to take him out with us and let him enjoy the scenery along with us and this is a great trail from the length was ideal. It wasn't too long long. Not much elevations change so we could easily do it without getting tired and also you could tell he was equally obsessed with petrified. What as we were just beautiful. Things things yeah luckily to mpm no and for you. This wasn't your first time now now. This is my second time <hes> petrified forest and in particular secondhand hiking blue mesa trail and i can definitively say that this trail is definitely within my top three favorite hiking trails of any national park which is a huge statement well-deserved especially because you love like twelve fifteen twenty mile hikes small-time hiker like for me. This'll this would be perfect for me the name one of my top three but yeah it is kinda surprising because i tend to like really hardcore trails and i do long drawn out hikes of done them in so many different national parks so this one. I think it really indicates how amazing this short little trail is. It's just so stunning from every vantage point and it's kind of place that when i'm hiking her alone like i did my first trip here it's i can't help say things allowed myself. Just totally. I'm like oh jeez and can you believe leave this view and i'm just like he talks to coming more often than he would like to admit like i'll catch him talking to himself allowed and i didn't say anything. I'm like again. Yes yes he did well. The thing is i think i'm monitoring or i think i'm whispering under my breath or something but i i guess i just i whispered much louder than i think gay do so that's what i've that's what i spent my whole time. The balloon central doing <hes> which is you can't help it. It's just so breathtaking like that but that being he said and despite the fact that i'm obsessed with israel you should know that had to fight for us is not really known. It's like hiking mecca. There's not a lot of hiking trails here. They're really only seven official trails and none of them are longer than three miles in length which makes it a very family friendly park very family friendly a nothing too strenuous especially for those road trips through the country when you aren't those r._v.'s yeah exactly and i it's also makes sense why it's a drive through kinda park because people i can easily just meander through it. Hop off to a quick little trail here and there in continue on your way and that's awesome. That's a great thing it's it makes it possible. We'll do all pretty much. All the parks trails in one visit in one afternoon and these tales do a great job of getting up close and personal with some of the most inspiring petrified specimens and and historic sites. You're listening to the park. Landed podcast from iheartradio hosted by brad and matt kerouac. We'll be back with more park land podcast from iheart radio when you're off all day hiking in the mountains and one of our favorite national parks. I tend to have these kind of weird lunchtime. Obsessions like tuna salad which i pack everywhere i go seemingly obsession but you have other obsessions that aren't weird yeah no not at all like ice cold robot tea which actually makes perfect sense breath yes because they're perfectly crafted with ingredients like pure filtered water mountain grown he and just the right balance of sweetness. It's the real taste that really just makes you feel at home so good so refreshing remember when you're kayaking into everglades with all the alligators and crocodiles yes. I definitely do that was a fun on adventure of a day. I felt they were snapping at us and jumping at us and so we had to keep on talking faster to get away and you know just got really hot and tired yeah. It was definitely hot. It was really honey. I'm still sunburn day probably and i paddled so fast and got so hot that the most enjoyable part was grabbing that ice cold gold peak real brewed tea brought the comfort of home and happiness right back into my heart. Oh sam it's the best medicine for a sunburn. Let me tell you you can find your favorite gold peak flavor a retailer near you or from our fridge because we're always fully stocked and we have more than enough to go around gold peak real bruce t the tastes that brings you home mm-hmm. I'm matt and i'm brad. You're listening to the park lane podcast from iheartradio matt. Where are you telling me about that. One highlight is the giant logs trail like net and located right behind the rainbow forest museum yeah yeah the giant locks shell as the name is definitely kind of an eye catcher just sounds so larger in life incredible like it is and yeah it starts right behind the rain before museum which is absolutely worth a visit as well for learning all about the dinosaur history here in fossils <hes> <hes> but the giant logs trail has the largest petrified logs anywhere on earth including old faithful and they're they're just it's mind blowing mass of these things were into imagine what these things must have been like when they were standing they they must have been the size of like sequoia trees or something and now they're glistening like gems and that's amazing but then something for something completely different there's the puerco pueblo trail also an easy trail. It's only about point. Three miles round trapped in this highlights another very important aspect of the park which is the history and manson civilizations that once lived here. I mean it's really hard to imagine living in such a seemingly barren landscape. I mean yeah i know nowadays i. I can't imagine imagine even like during camping here. I don't know how that would even work but believe it or not <hes> some two thousand years ago or so a whole communities thrive here and there is there evidence of yeah there. I can back it up. There are hundreds of sites throughout the park with evidence <hes> of these ancient civilizations some of which left behind petroglyphs and village ruins that you can tour and look at and marv lab and you said work will play blow where cool label yes. It's kind it's tricky to say quaco play blow you. Kinda have to stay in some ocean all right now especially for me. I'm horrible on their own pronunciation. You don't you don't say oh. You're funny. Yes that is it. It's just is one of the best places to witness history. I mean thanks to like well. Preserved structures back then hundred people lived in the windows and doorless byblos concentrated by water resources ladder services there three point so no windows. You're going down through ladder and these dwellings were situated right around these central plazas which were community spaces for socializing together. Yes he's like rocky kind of clay huts no windows no doors and i mean obviously water is everything you have to concentrate your living accommodations by that. I learned that in mesa verde yeah we did but we'll talk about that later. Stay tuned <hes> quick side note <hes> relating to go play blow. I remember when i was here. The first time this was when i was doing little solo trip <hes> i saw <hes> this cautioning cautionary sign by the trail head warning about dangerous bees in the area and i remember thinking what a missed opportunity it was not to say be he where e w e like how many times in life you're going to have the opportunity to spell that out. They didn't use it matters very funny yeah and it was shocking anyway. I i didn't see any dangerous. Be so it all worked out not far from puerto. Play blow is is newspaper rock <hes> just down the street or down the main road. Someone say just a stone's throw a stone's throw from porco play blow. It's the this this is definitely the best site for viewing petroglyphs in the park. There is such a huge concentration of them here there. I think honest that there's like more than six hundred or so petroglyphs <hes> and the amazing thing about petroglyphs anywhere you see them but particularly here in such a large amount they provide a mysterious fascinating little peek into the past and what life must must have been like for this civilization now. You can have to tell me more about this because when we went through i didn't really get to go and see this which i'm kind of bummed out but you know the major is still a pulse yeah. Petroglyphs will be the future <hes> but yeah they're obsessed with petroglyphs there so interesting <hes> in these ones in particular <hes> <hes> the national park service and archaeologists have reached out to descendants of of people from the navajos zuni hopi the people's to examine these tunnicliffe n._c. If they could translate any of them <hes> they only recognize a few of them so they're not able to piece together what the meetings really they were. What they were trying to communicate. We can only guess really where they makings symbols of spirituality where stories where they warnings really these prehistoric prehistoric emojis never know the original emojis. Oh man maybe these <hes> will be found when we discover why within central pueblo from mesa verde national park left the city <hes> they built their cities in the mountains and they vanished but again. We'll have to stay tuned for a future episode so yes sorry. Let's stay back with mesa verde. Now i am so so beautiful yeah put a pin amount fine okay well. Let's talk about these ancient civilizations that abandoned the area for reasons unknown much like severity and they add but anyway modern day people. We'll <hes> sought it out for new reasons tourism. I mean after the train tracks wade through northeastern arizona local national advocates sought to capitalize on the area's unique nick geography by using the rails to bring in tourists than to see that painted desert. I mean sixty six directly passes through the present day park as well making making it. The only national park contains a section of that historic highway yes and as with so many other things in the modern day it was just matter of seeing an opportunity to make money so they did in naturally hotels roadside ends begin to pop up around the area including <hes> something called the painted desert hazard in which is still within the national park. <hes> it's now no longer in an it's a museum with aging and <hes> of course it this increase tourism in travelers <hes> to the area brought its own set of problems in the case of petrified forest this man people were pocketing smaller pieces of petrified wood souvenirs or i don't know like corporal paperweights or something and of course considering the limitations nations of this geographic marvel this appalling it is and we're gonna talk about the curse of the petrified forest <music> folk law. We're talking about petrified forest national park this week and we're starting starting to get into something a little ominous. Yes we are going to talk about the curse of the petrified forest. You know one reference in netflix show dead to me about yeah. I love that show about how steve damn you steve <hes> so there is this dialogue between stephen <music> <hes> one of the stars linda curly <hes> apparently steve stoll petrified wood from petrified forest national park and guess what he ended up dead aetna swimming pool oops spoiler alert just like that yeah. Let's not be like steve now. Let's steve and betsy didn't think you'd be hearing about dead to me spoilers on this podcast but that's just because clearly net flicks producers loved the petrified forest as much as we do and you know this curse is serious stuff yeah very serious stuff. <hes> thankfully we have park champions like john and theodore roosevelt to thank for protecting the petrified wood for future generations and from from future steve's so john was the first to conduct a scientific experts excavation of the landscape here and he worked with roosevelt to to firmly protect it and ultimately than they did give him petrified forest national monument status before it eventually got upgraded to national park in the year nineteen nineteen sixty two and today about eight hundred thousand annual visitors come to petrified forest to look rather than take unless you want to end up floating face down in that pool yeah or you know with a hefty fine which is also horrible because in two thousand and ten congress allotted funds yeah into tanzi not that long ago congress allotted funds for parking expansion which essentially dead doubled petrified forest productive land <hes> currently the national park service says working on developing new regions which will open up potentially new trails more to explore more to discover so really. It seems like the park is only going to get better earn better in the future which is super exciting yeah. This was really easy to navigate with the r._v. But you have to leave at night because it's one of the few parts with gates that close and lock every night so people don't steal the petrified wood and become curse. You know like steve. You're listening to the park. Lancia podcast in my heart radio hosted by brad and matt kerouac. We'll be back with more of the park landed podcast from iheartradio in the montgomery county maryland courthouse. There are thousands of pages pages of documents detailing the horrific murders of three innocent people to things from the early days of the investigation are clear no one knew for sure who committed the murders but some had a theory about who engineered them soon as i heard the details. I knew my dad was involved right away. We know it was lars. It's hard. I mean i knew instantly. I said as lawrence everybody knew that lawrence horn was responsible. Nobody even better than i but at the time of the murders murders lawrence horn was clear across the country watching tv in his los angeles home and he could prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. I'm jesmond edmund. Morris from iheartradio hit home media. This is hitman. Listen and subscribe at apple podcasts on the iheartradio app or wherever you listen to podcasts my favorite all right time time for one of my favorite segments matt. What was your favorite thing to do at petrified forest national park well my favorite thing i feel like <hes> the obvious one would be the blue mesa because that's just amazing and i'm obsessed with it but i will. I want to also highlight <hes> the rainbow forest museum. I think it's incredible and immersive and just very cool to see and learn more about the dinosaurs and prehistoric animals that used to live here when i was in the museum the first time <hes> <hes> there was this large mural and installation that showed depicted like the animals that were once here and what life was like some two hundred million years ago and let me just say like terrifying <hes>. I'm really thankful that it's still like that <hes> but it just it's insane and incredible in i just it's mind blowing to imagine how this landscape can utterly change and transform like that even if it's been a couple of hundred million years right and well. We're like those three essential items for you because you've been here a couple times might be better than mine but you never know yes. I've i've been here a couple of times <hes> so if there were three things that i would personally bring to pitch. I bring sunscreen it. It's very sunny <hes> even if it's not super high it's very sunny and you're out in the wide open. There's no tree cover. <hes> so that's important i would also suggest layers like sweat shirts jackets <hes> again the desert environment <hes> can get surprisingly chilly and then like we mentioned earlier petrified forest is one of the most dog friendly parks really in the national snowpack system so you gotta bring a dog leash. Bring your dog let them enjoy the trails with you which then leads into my favorite thing was being able to bring depending on the trails with us and gets the most glorious instagram photos out there and if i had remembered three things is because i'm ninety nine point nine nine percent of the time the driver is you'd have to fuel up before going there. Yeah the thing i'd bring my dog finning and i would definitely bring water <hes> not only for ourselves but for finning and their little like hiking dog bull <hes> so that way finicky and get water on along the trail and knock it exhausted <hes> and we were talking about this yesterday and i think pretty much dream vacation would be this larger bigger than life route sixty six american road trip <hes> much like the one we're taking. I mean bring friends or dogs energy charge in the space that you're visiting. I mean that that that is what the american dream really is is to do what we're doing and we're so thankful that we get this opportunity <hes> and from the people around yeah and i think it's so poetic imperfect to that row route sixty six this kind of quintessentially american thorough there happens to go right through oh petrified forest national park and really doesn't get more all american than a national park either so it's so ideal and so perfect and it would be really a dream to do all over sixty six <hes> as this kind of americana drive <hes> and the opportunity to be able to stop off. I am petrified forest and do some hikes and learning about dinosaurs and petroglyphs. That's all all wonderful all very doable and highly recommended. You've been listening to park land lia. The show was created by us matt and brad. Kerouac along with christopher has yoda's our executive producer is christopher. Christopher has yoda's produced and edited by johns. 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The History of Cocktail Drums with John Mettam

Drum History

1:05:31 hr | 3 months ago

The History of Cocktail Drums with John Mettam

"Look into the drum history podcast. I'm your host bartenders. E and too damn joined by. John madam who is the owner and operator of cocktail drum dot com. Welcome to the show john. Thanks appreciate you had me. Yes sure and of course europe performer. As well as you told me as a very eclectic kinds of music all kinds of different things Some of which involving cocktail drums. Of course so we'll we'll kind of go into that later but This is one of those episodes that i have had multiple people Request i'd say over the last probably after six months of the show every once in a while someone would say like a A cocktail drum episode would be really cool but the last one. And i was wanna give people shot at if they recommend episode on instagram. Bobby eight oh. One is the one who recommended this. So thank you to bobby But anyway john. So why don't we Why don't we jump in and maybe start by explaining what a cocktail drum kit is and then teach us the history okay Well the the current what i would call the current definition of a cocktail drum usually involves some sort of kit that has a a bass drum pedal that strikes upward and hits the bottom head of a drum. It could be a floor. Tom or a floor. Tom which is a little bit tougher than regular floor tom. They're usually played standing up and very often. There's a snare is either a snare mechanism in that single main drum Said wire brushes it pushes against the top head or it could be a side sner mounted so that you have a regular snare on side and the main drum access kind of a floor. Tom when you play the top and kicked drum when you play the bottom. I think that's what most people think of when they your cocktail drum. Yeah but there is nothing to find there is no actual definition it. Sort of a hodgepodge history of different experiments. That people were trying and i even to this day there are still some variations on that different people doing different techniques of making these kind of drum kits. Yeah that's super fascinating. And i'm i'm interested and i'm sure we'll get into it about the the the kind of technology of having the bass drum kind of the long cocktail drum where you know. The top part is the snare and the bottom part is the bass drum and how that affects the sound. Because i have never played one. I don't think i've no. I i did once or twice. There was a drum store. Here that i taught at or one came in and i played it and it was awesome but It's definitely gets. It takes some getting used to but absolutely but before we go there. Let's just learn about where these quirky interesting instruments came from Well the earliest reference. I have seen to anything remotely resembling a cocktail. Drum is in a nineteen thirty one lady catalog. And they have something that they call eight congo. Tom and basically a single headed. What looks like a floor tom. It's a little bit taller and it stands on legs and it's tall enough that you play at standing up in in the description on the product page. It says the latin tone. And i think in the thirties in the early dance music. Kind of leading into the swing music there is a lot of focus on african rhythms african drumming and latin rhythms and latin drumming. So i think a lot of these dance band. Drummers were looking for new sounds new ways to incorporate the sounds and rhythms into their songs. Yeah so so these things you'll see them in some old pictures for so and we'll have a kit. You know the the big old kit with a twenty six bass drum and they might have one of these drums on the side and is positioned in a way that you can see that they probably stood up and played it or you might see a bandleader with one standing at the front of the stage so as a little bit of a show dramas. Well very cool. Yeah that was the first thing we saw. And i have not seen any and if someone has catalogues out there please send them to me. the next reference that i have seen is nineteen forty eight. There's a catalog for the Entry for the carlton king combination completely. Different concept this is a drum kit. That has a twenty inch kick drum. Or or tom whenever you want to call it but is turned on its side so that there's a head facing up and there's a head on the bottom now. This from actually has a full tiffany tuning mechanism on the inside of it. So there's a huge metal bar across the bottom there's a pedal for doing the pitch up and down like tiffany and there's a kick pedal specifically designed to hit up and hit that bottom head so that's the first time i've ever seen the upward hitting pedal and get also had a snare mount on it. So there's a snare on the side mounts for lots of auxiliary percussion usually see it with Would blocks which was a lot of the old dense fan kits back then. Yeah and Apparently these were used in small pit orchestras and at dance halls in movie theaters. And things like that. It was a way of expanding the drummer's vocabulary and sonic palette while still trying to keep it relatively small interesting and carlton is a british brand Yeah which is kinda cool so And let's so people listening if you go to cocktail drum dot com and on the left under learned. There's a history tab and you can actually see a picture of this trump said that he's talking about but there's a really cool article that's by liam mulholland from the was from drum magazine. But it's just so you can see some pictures and stuff on the website as we go. Which is where. I'll be kind of clicking through as we talk but gosh it's just so fascinating but it's it's so interesting too because you think like you know who was the guy who invented it you know where. Where did it come from. Is it the. It's kinda like one of those things. Where like people like george way or something who invented so many little things like i. I just wonder who the guy was who Actually started to flip the drama over or if it goes back to Like you said with the african. You know the the people wanting to be more than that. Where if this was something where it was taken from another culture and they said okay. This is cool we can do this and And it's just it's just interesting to to piece it all together like like you've done and also seeing kind of how these trends kind of come and go The tiffany tuner in that in the Carlton kick drum. I haven't seen any other drums like that until i believe it was in the eighties yamaha. Came out with a tip. Tom tom and i believe it was. I think they made a fourteen inch. They may have made a sixteen inches well and it was the same concept but it was a four time with a tuner on mechanism on the inside and a pedal. It didn't hold pitch but you can go up and down. I remember seeing a video. At some point. Where billy kabul was using one. Of course geno is a little bit of a trick but kind of a fun thing again. Just trying to expand the palette of what what drummers have in their arsenal yeah really wow so to look at where we're at now so this is the carlton is in nineteen forty eight and it was designed to be for tight orchestra pits right so instead of having this footprint of this drum set spread out you shrink it and it's kind of like Like you're in new york city guy. It's like okay. we can't build wide. Let's build up you know. Yes exactly the skyscraper of of drums. That's pretty neat. Yeah we'll come back to that. When i tell you about where wearing how i found my cocktail. Drums comes later. The next step really Again this is all based on catalogs That i have all these catalog images are on on the website as well Thousand nine hundred fifty. One was the year that these things really started coming out so the the next thing. That really happened was that Slinger land out with a kit. They call the combo bebop and this was a kit which had a based room and a snare drum but the bass drum was designed to be used either traditionally sitting on the ground with a pedal hitting straightforward or. It had the hard. Were on it that you could flip it up and have the play. The top head and the pedal actually was convertible so there at the time had the gene crew everything gene at that point on there the gene krupa pedal and they made that reversible actually have one and is very easy to disconnect. It's a metal piece instead of strap. You disconnect that in just flip it over to the other side and hook it in and suddenly you're pedal is hitting up instead of forward. Jeez and it was a really cool thing but the whole idea was adapt to the situation. Here's your one kit and if you need something where you're playing. Say eight tiffany part. I'm doing air quotes there You could flip the base over and have that or if you're doing this kind of rhythmic african drumming you could play sticks plate with mallets and Use it for those other purposes or just use it as a regular drum kit. Well it said that again. It's i'm looking at the the catalog page right now. Again your website but like so one hundred twenty seven dollars for the nickel version. One hundred forty two for the chrome version which i mean in fifty one. That's not cheap. And the reversible pedal was on eighteen dollars and fifty cents which it's not super cheap but this is such a cool technology to be able to just flip your drum i. I've said this before but a lot of these old cool unique technologies. i always think to myself like man. I could see that today. I could see a and f doing that. Where you take the bass drum and flip it upright or something you know. It's just so cool is an interesting thing. It it really went out completely phase out. I think that those particular setups phased out by the end of the fifties on the really wasn't a thing anymore. Yeah yeah but that's a parallel to of the of the day of Like lionel hampton and these guys who were kinda like the front men drummers who would stand there and be it's like a very show many in gene crews and movies and it's just like you know what i mean it's like it's very theatrical versus sitting down Yeah yeah well. And i'll point out. A couple of things The earliest sighting. That i have of what i would call a cocktail drum is in a nineteen forty one movie ball of fire in which jean crew and his band play. And there's a drum on the stage now it's he doesn't play it so i have no idea if it was just a prop or something that he actually performed on. But it looks like it's too time shells one on top of the other with abandoned the middle. There's no legs. There's no air gap on the bottom. There is a drummer. I'm on the top so it you couldn't really tell it could have been just a stand for the singer to put their drink on. Yeah i really don't know you know. His his and had a big band had their music stands for and his band. Had music stands a heavily. Trump's built into them up they actually would plan some tunes so everything on his stage was drum oriented whether it was functional. Or not so. Yeah as they're performing drum boogie or something like that. I'm sure i think that's exactly. That's from on jumbled man Yeah and and the other thing. You mentioned lionel hampton. He was famous vibraphone Fantastic drummer as well. And he was famous as part of his show for having a solo on a floor. Tom and there're some videos out there where he's playing both the floor. Tom and this congo tom that i described so he has the two drums. And he's going back and forth between the two as part of a solo. That's cool all right. So we're in the fifties were in early fifty s right now. Fifty one and Yet let's keep going that because fifty one was was a big year for this so in fifty one. We had this lynn combo that we talked about the bebop. The reversible pedal. They also came out with Now it could come up before this. But this is the catalog that i had that i know of Slinger link came out with their own radio. King combo drum. Which is that same single headed tall floor. Tom like the comu- that that was in the league. Catalog in nineteen thirty one. But the other thing that is really amazing and cool is that rogers in their nineteen fifty one catalog. they had an outfit called park lane cocktail outfit. So this is the first one that ever called it cocktail and that was made up of just standard rogers parts. It was a sixteen by sixteen floor. Tom a fourteen by five zero or some some tuna backwards five by fourteen stare drum a nine by thirteen tom-tom and they had hardware all over the floor tom to hang the snare drum and the tom and a couple of symbols off of the floor tom and they had made their own upbeat pedal mechanism that was integrated with one of the legs of the floor. Tom so this is like light years ahead of what anybody else was doing at the time. Yeah unending i'm looking at it now and it is like yeah it going from like clicking from the slinger lind catalog with kind of like the conga drum to do this. It was like whoa. That is a modern cocktail kit. Right there made me the floor. Toma be a little longer but man is thing is like beautiful. I mean but they're still there almost pushing four hundred bucks. I mean in the fifties which is pretty serious. It's a it's a full kit. And and i think the really significant pieces are that one. The snare was separate from the floor. Tom so well that it significant kind of in the whole history of it Some of the combo drones did have this snare mechanism on the inside. Even for the single headed ones. I had a slayer lynn. That had this And is basically like half of a snare bed that is attached to like a muffler trainer. So you twist thing to tighten the snares up against the bottom of the top head and And it's it's a weird sound. It's not doesn't sound like a regular snare drum so. I think that you know they figured out that problem by doing this The only thing with the park lane is. I think you would normally have to sit down to play it because it's a regular sixteen inch high floor tom via so. You're you're not really going to get up to a plane physician unless you really leaning over to to play the thing yeah My thought to is like that is so much weight on these legs and like everyone. Everyone's had drums from like the nineties or the eighties. Were like your plan your plan your plan boom. The wingnut gives out on the floor. Thomas it slides to one cy. Early just falls down. This probably has twenty pounds. May be more of stuff. I mean you'd have to crank this thing down. Yeah yeah i mean. Their hardware was very strong. They're known for that. Yeah The one other thing in that same fifty catalog for rogers is they did offer a called a showcase outfit. Which basically was a full drum kit with a twenty inch kick and a twelve and thirteen inch. Tom and sixteen inch kick drum and fourteen snare drum but it included all that harder on the floor. Tom and the upward Hitting kick pedal so that you could take. You could have your full kit if he needed it. If you had a small little gig and you wanted to small kit you just take the pieces that made the park lane outfit. It was one of the first kind of Modular a full kit is designed to be modular and taken apart and used as a smaller kit when you need it. Yeah it it's it's neat to The you have you know you can click. You've you've included the various pages that have cocktail related stuff that you can. You can buy just the upward you know hitting bass drum pedal on its own How does that. I've never actually really looked at one. How does that technology work is it. Basically just the. it's just flipped. You know what. I mean like the the the spring pulls it up basically. Yeah i mean really all all you really need to do is. Let's just talk strap because that's the easiest thing to to picture. The strap comes around the front of the pedal and when you push down on the pedal pulls a strap which pulls a beater forward and into the base drumhead while if you take. That's trap and go behind the other direction and connected when you push down on the pedal is going to pull back towards you So you have to move the beater so that it's you know below whereas antle so that it's going to go up. Got an end. Hit the bottom head contrasting There's actually At least one article on my site for converting When i think there's two actually. I think there's a d. w. conversion that a friend put together. They are and in is one that i did for just kind of a cheap pedal just to show people. How how they can do it. Yeah that's neat depending on the pedal it's it's pretty easy to do. Yeah it's cool. I love in the rodgers stuff. Where like looking at the one. The page with the showcase outfit how it's camco pedals. It's just neat to see you know so much different history going on on their on that. So cool okay. Then where do we go from there. Yes so then For years later nineteen fifty-five singer lindsay next catalog has the new in quotes to headed cocktail drum. And this is to me. This is the first full. On what what i view as the basic cocktail drum. So in their case it's a fourteen inch drum bottom. Had any top head sitting on legs like a floor tom. But it's twenty. One was twenty four inches tall and it has the snare the half snare mechanism on the inside and it has an upbeat pedal in fifty five. They were still using the group of reversible pedal for that on and then there's bracket sort of a u. shape bracket that connects onto the legs below that you can then clampdown. You're you're based pedal to cool So again to me. That is really the fundamental cocktail drum but people are walking down to differ. Now do you put. I think i've always wondered this. Do you put in the cocktail drum Do you put like a little pillow or anything to muffle on the bottom it. It really depends I've seen everything from some people put packing peanuts in the drums. They rest on top of the bottom head and then poof gives it will sustain while they float come back down. the The yamaha club jordan. Which is a modern instrument. A lot of people use your rings and things like that on the inside. Of course now we have all these heads that that have built in muffling All the mad heads and Unbroken my particular drum so i played this drum that we're talking about right now. The slinger land two-headed cocktail drum. Fourteen inch That that's my main instrument. I have a couple of those and a few few others But that that's to me. That's the perfect size Ludwig made a lot of sixteen inch ones. Which are just a little too big and flappy and low for for my taste for the music that i've been doing on them But for mind. I actually spent a long time trying to get the sound right and you know it so take a little detour here You know the these ones also do not have any sort of baffling in the middle. Some of the gretch ones and some of the loved ones did have an actual baffle in the middle. Usually up closer to the top. So that you'd get this sort of smaller airspace for the snare piece anna larger airspace for the base piece. I think they were just trying to stop the snare rattling when you hit the bass drum because on mine. It's a single column of air so there's just there's no way to avoid it when you hit the kick drum the snares gonna rattle sure and if you put on the same heads you know. Starting point for most people could ambassador and tune them the same. It sounds great as a single drum but it doesn't really sound like a good base from or good snare drum and it's very messy. You know if you turn the snares on and you hit it it just rings and it's cool if you're looking for a weird sound effect. It's actually very cool and it can work for the right thing. But i was looking for something which would function a little more just as like a kick and snare so i ended up putting a power strip three on the bottom and loading it up with duct tape and paper towel song adding as much mass as i possibly could and tune it down as low as i could while still having tone i ended up having to put lug locks on it because the lux would just fall out by the halfway through the gig. Yeah and then the top. I would put A diplomat on it. You know the thinnest remember head and crank it and by making them very very distinct tunings and types it really separated out the sound The diplomat still. If i wanted if i did a rim shot really close the edge. You still get some ring. The snare actually sounds really good like that. The kick drum still has a lot of often not the loudest kick. But you put a mike on it and it sounds amazing. I i did a lot of shows where i show up. You know. i used to tour with actually With a singer songwriter. And i would show up in the sound. Guys would kind of snicker. And then i'd be like look trust. Trust me just put on it and you know once they put it through the mixer. It sounded great. That's awesome good feedback on that. Yeah and it's I just think in general with with you in modern times and going back to you. Know anytime in the fifties going into the sixties like. It's just unique like it makes you stand out get it 'cause you're standing But on the cocktail kit now but it it it's really unique So would you say that. That's more than you know with the carlton kit in forty eight. Where you're in the pit and it's space saving. How much of it is you. Love the sound of it and not you but just in general verses. It's just a very unique cool way to play the drums standing up. Do you think like is it. Yeah i think it's a sort of different for each person. The thing that i really love about it is. I feel like i found my sound on it and it is an instrument that you have to work to get the right sound. That's going to work for you. You know. I've i've had people come like oh cocktail drum cool in like rock drummers and they stop on the pedal and they smack the top. That sounds horrible. Why would you ever want to do that. And it's not for that. It's quiet music You know again in new york singer songwriters playing in a small club. You can play in a cafe and lay into it and it and it feels good and sounds good and it's not overwhelming For again like so i i. For years i played in this band cocktail. Angst which you and. I were talking about before. really fun band Playing a lot of kind of high energy. Latin lounge jazz stuff very humorous thing but a lot of virtuosic stuff in it and when that ban started i was just playing a regular drum kit and i found the cocktail drum in at this place i out in brooklyn down near coney island Actually this really funny guy. Anyone who's in brooklyn they might know david covance and he runs a place called the school of musical performance on king's highway in brooklyn and he's been playing drums forever and he just has the space that has room and rooms and rooms filled with drums and hardware and we'll gear and all the stuff and he's a really nice guy and he had one sitting around and the price was right. I had said okay. You got to have it I'd seen them before. The first time i ever saw. One was that wilson well known jazz drummer. He and i were in boston at the same time. We would play in groups on the same shows. Of course tonight. And i saw him playing with a duet with charlie cole hayes on cocktail and i was so fascinated by it and he did such amazing things on it so it it always stuck with me like. That's so cool. When i had the opportunity to get one it just had to do it. And i just started playing in this band cocktail link so I remember the first time i brought it into rehearsal. I did not know how to tune it. I didn't have it set up. I said is. This is a cool thing. Trust me help help. Help me grow through this show. Just put up with this for a while. And i just remember after that first rehearsal was like yeah. That's that's kind of interesting just very very nonplus. Suddenly doing this weird thing. And i didn't have an open. Hi hat i want some all and all just sounded very clingy and But over time you know. I added a cow. Bell added some remote kids bongos. Which sound amazing with the right sticks. I found the just the right cymbal. Twelve inch symbol perfect for crash and ryan and and that became the sound of the band. Cool so it really really worked out great but I think that's what most people find is. They have to really work on it and figure out how fits in to the music that they play in the way. They played the drums. What they wanted to get out of it. Yeah man that's That's a great answer. Because i mean i guess it becomes a part of you and it's just. Are you more comfortable on a cocktail kit. Now than like when you sit on a regular drum set not. I'm sure you regret on a regular drum set to but do you prefer the cocktail. Yeah no i'll be honest. I play much more regular kid. I mean i. It used to gig out several nights a week on the cocktail drum. And you know. I i was really in shape on it. It is tiring because you are largely standing on one leg. You know kind of holding up. You're you're based from late again. Everyone has a different technique. Yeah it. It can be hard on your leg and be hard on your back. A bit Nice cocktail links was. I didn't always have to play the bass drum stuff. So if i got tired i could actually kind of dance in place and just play. The cowbell on the palm goes the snare and do stuff. Is we used to do you. Know four or five hour nights playing and that's a lot one set on the cocktail drum is is not hard to do a long nights have stuff. It it can get exhausting. You read my mind on a question there about i was gonna say. Are you typically playing these healed down because of the whole balance thing thing i mean it was it kind of like you. Said you're lifting your foot up or your. He'll you know what. I mean like hot house. Nettie strom work. Yeah well for the most part. I would say again. I play relatively quiet You know. I feel like the sounds right. So that the dynamic that i play they sound really good and they have impact and if i need reinforcement just mike them rather than try and play a lot louder so from that perspective you know. My left foot is usually planted on the ground by right. Heel is usually down and planted. So that way i have like a nice solid position to play from and then on the kick drum you can actually be very dynamic with it so if it's just something straightforward display. He'll down. If i need to do a lot of doubles i can just lift the. He'll just enough and just balanced back on my other foot and do that when i need to guard again you you just end up shifting around just to to save yourself the pain of standing on the one leg. Well i've actually at times. I live literally switched feet and play the kick with my left foot. If things are getting too painful. I can tell you right now. From being in a cast in a boot with achilles tendon rupture and having surgery of like totally not drum related actually the farthest thing from drum related. Because i can't play the drums right now but like where you're standing you're not putting all your weight on one foot it starts to just kill your other foot and the shift and it's just so so i feel your pain with that but All right let's hop back into the history here So i think we were towards the end of the fifties there so what happens then in the sixties yeah so Fifty five just mentioned that Greg got into the market as well. They came out with a single headed cocktail drum. They actually call it a cocktail also so obviously sometime in the early fifties someone started calling these cocktail drums with gretch had offered a single headed and a double headed cocktail with pedal they had their own Upbeat pedal mechanism. Those ones also came with a little. Tom on the side. So the snare was built in to the mainframe but they did have a little Eight inch tom. On the side so just variations on the same thing. I in fifty nine Cocktail sorry ludwig. A cocktail lounge trum. That's what they call it out. It was another single headed tall drums so that was the first time we saw that. From ludwig and ahead this near mechanism in it They also ludwig came out with is when they called the las vegas club drum and that was a sixteen inch double headed cocktail drum so again tall trump but it was sixteen inches in diameter and it had a snare mount attached to the side of this sixteen inch standing from and held thirteen at snare man. So again that was there. Sort of version of things Ludwig also same year. Fifty nine came out with the speed master pedal which was also reversible. It much simpler pedal you actually the It has a leather strap attached to a post. And all you do is undo the wingnut for the post pull it out flip it around either side of the pedal and put it in you can reverse those things in five seconds They're not the strongest pedal sir. But they're you know they're easy easy to play in late good good for carrying around a love the On your website again. I love the las vegas club. The ludwig the page for the ad here. Where it's just like las vegas and it's glowing and there's like the the outline of a woman standing up plane wearing a dress And just to read this year says with like the little kind of description next to it says with this complete drum set you can stand up and play ideal for entertainers singers. Comedians and master of ceremonies foale snare drum and hi hat affects plus ride cymbal holder and bass drum beat symbols not included in the price but extra according to selection. That's interesting 'cause yeah. I mean i guess if you're a singer or compete i can't really imagine a comedian like you know here. I'm here to do some comedy. Let me bring my cocktail drum set but that's an interesting take on it. Well if if if someone wants to do their own. But you know. I i bet you somebody that. Yeah yeah it really interesting thing in the in the fifties i've seen a lotta pictures and again there's a bunch on the site there. There's actually a photo gallery It has a bunch of things in there as well but there There's one person there lind page. I believe her name. Is that one of the people members of the community sent me these pictures. And he's like this is my mom. She was a singer aloun singer and she played with these little combos and the pictures of the band and her and she's holding sticks and there's a cocktail trump in front of her and she told him like i used to play the cocktail drum. And you know do jam sessions and these things and i think that A lot of people would have these combos. Say you know piano bass and a singer and they say well. Can you play them. Drums here have a cocktail drum. But it's not too loud and it looks cool and it adds a little percussion that's interest going on. So i think there there was a lot of that as well and certainly the the showing of it i think was was a real attraction for for people. Yeah i mentioned that the so there was the school of musical performance for. I got my first cocktail drum. And then later he had another one because he knew i was into the cocktail drums city. Let me know. And there was a store two blocks away from him where i got another one. Basically mint gold sparkle slinger lend boss get and basically after talking with a bunch of the guys down. There they just said yet. They were blocks away from coney island and they said all the hawkers in coney island would have these things for that step right up you know or and you know they. They don't have stages there they don't have back stages they just have these links to stand on so it was kind of the ideal thing Way to kind of spice things up. Make a little bit of noise and trying to attract people to your booth. That's so cruel that makes perfect sense. That's that's the kind of stuff that i love with this of like you know yes. It's cool. I love going through the catalogs but i like hearing about the people who would be using them. You know out on the street and the purpose of having this kind of fold up all in one drum set which you know. Portability is a big thing which goes back to the beginning of the drum set. Were guys are jumping on streetcars. And they're the the the collapsible bass drums and all that stuff. There's there's been a a quest for. I feel like it's kinda died down a little bit now where it's not as important because you're not being like an horse drawn carriage or something but like Where portability is huge with the stuff. Yeah i. I've definitely carried my cocktail drum to a gig on the subway. Many many many times of and if it's the basic setup just the drum and a symbol can carry it you know. I used to live about eight blocks from the subway station. I could create no problem with cocktail lengths to handle the extra stuff. So i just have a little hand dolly and you know save myself that pain and but not not too bad. No no another benefit okay. So so that's the fifties right. yep yep yeah you know i can. I can blast. Your the risk is so things didn't change too much after this point except There is one new addition and let's see It was in sixty three both slinger land and way and this was not in their sixty two catalogues But in sixty three both cigarette and ludwig drums that were a small bass drum instead of a tom. They had a mount with a snare basket and a snare on top so as a separate kick drum and snare drum but the snare drum basket was mounted on top of the kick drum the slinger lynn was a sixteen by sixteen kick obviously built out of a floor time with a fourteen inch snare and the ludwig one called. The gold coast was in eighteen inch kick with a thirteen inch snare on top man. That's so cool. I think that's so genius and you explained it really well just in case someone out there is is not on the website looking so basically. Just imagine your regular bass drum and then where. You're tom. mount is which i imagine. It's basically the same size. You could probably use this bass drum and switch it out in Put a timeout end. But okay so you're bass drum and then top. You know where. You're the whole for your tom out. There's just a you know. A portion of a snare stand coming out of it and the snare is on top of the bass drum all connected Which is such a cool idea I guess there's no real do you see that. There's a benefit to having one way or the other or is are they both kind of unique in their own way. Well i think. I think they did this because some people probably were getting frustrated that they couldn't make the single drum set like a separate kick tremendous tour. And this way at least could do that. You really had the two separate instruments but it still was designed to take up a relatively small amount of space. An enemy played standing up. Yeah the mount was pulled forward towards the drummer just him so that the snare could be close enough played standing up. Yeah it's also interesting to note that in sixty three both ludwig and slinger lynn came out with basically the same technology where they have historically like a feud of like the. It's this battle between the two of them of like. You know the the age old story of like sneaking into the garbage and stealing stuff to see what they were working on so kind of interesting. How like you know in the same year. They came out with this game technology. Yeah yeah yeah. I'm sure it was highly competitive. You know. I think all these things kind of took because someone said oh well that could be cool. We we should get in on that before it explodes. Yeah but i really don't know how much cocktail drums exploded. you know. i think there were a lot out there again. I i think they were mostly show pieces And you know probably we're used for exactly that you know that. A lot of small lounges. Just had them there. You know just like now. Everybody's got a a cheap parole kit at their club. They probably just had a drum cocktail drum there. Just in case for whoever showing up to to use it absolutely and this is another one of those things where you know. I'll say it. But i don't know i can't remember the exact God i feel like. I can't remember where i saw A vintage japanese cocktail drum. That i think was oh here. I found it right here. Just looking It it was the midget which again is not the greatest word to use but Cocktail drum kit. I guess that was Kings stone star field drums from in the nineteen seventies. I'm seeing this on star dash drums dot d. e. Yes certainly you know. There are so many Japanese companies that were basically making the identical products is is all the american companies. So there definitely. I've seen several cocktail drums from the japanese manufacturers from the sixties cool of course they I which is cool because again you know if you can't afford the ludwig could this and even even today it's like these are probably more expensive than your average. You know m. I j drum set. Because they're they're more rare but I mean it still is a different era of would even if it wasn't the same quality as some of the american stuff. The the quality of the wood and the craftsmanship is often phenomenal to what you get for the same price today for absolutely okay. so I like how you said before which is interesting about how in the sixties not much changed after that. Which kind of like. This is another thing that happens on the show to where you kinda hit like the eighties or something and it's like well that's pretty much when it stopped changing but So they're they're obviously included in catalogs like it's still like a a staple of drum catalogs what looks like for the next couple the next decade or so right. There's still relatively popular. I think I mean so. I may have to actually look by. I believe sixty three was the last appearance of the cocktail drum in a sling linen. Ludwig catalogs certainly was around that basically the way i always describe it as by the seventy s. Nobody wanted these things. Yeah here we go. I have on. I'm sorry there is a seventy three So slinger linen seventy three. Was the last catalog with carpet cocktail trump and they had both the The cocktail that was called number. Two eight six at the one with the sixteen inch kick and the snare drum on top and then they did have the regular fourteen inch drum with a the upper hitting pedal and they still have the single headed cocktail drum at that point to Be seventy three Gretch seventy was the last they had. So you know. I think by the by the seventies they really were dying out in a rock and roll was becoming king. These were not sexy rock and roll drums small weird flat sounding drum. Yeah and and you know there. I think you'll probably still associated with like lounge jazz which was was quickly losing steam. Yeah but that's where so. I'm kinda just like thinking now like so. Obviously the term cocktail comes from that like lounge. Jazz like las vegas. You know performers like standing up kind of plane. That's where that cocktail term for the drum set comes from and i know you said it just sort of like it caught on popularizing that became the name just probably unlike the culture of like you know you grab grab the cocktail drums. Some one guy probably said it and it probably spread but Right that makes sense that that that name went with that style which like you said kind of went away. Yeah yeah. And i. I think it was a small drum for playing in a small cocktail lounge Where you couldn't bring in full kit is a small small combo playing quietly to kind of the perfect thing. I mean these days. I i see people calling a lot of the mini-kits cocktail drums for that. Same reason is just a small kit for playing at a at a cocktail party or a cocktail lounge and yes market with a sixteen inch base. Draw or something. And but but not what not what. I would call a cocktail drum. I was thinking is kind of a thing like you have to stand up. I've seen where it's like like like that's almost like a club kit or something but like let's keep cocktail drums. This is our call to action of. Call it what it is but all right and then this is Like side note so there was a while where i was like in. I forget i didn't. I had no reason to have it. I was playing in bands and stuff. But i had no reason to have it but i know and they may not even Make it anymore. But i know groove percussion. Which i think was like i think i was looking at it on walmart's website or something but i'm sure it's not very nice but i know you can get gp groove percussion cocktail kit for like three hundred bucks. Which yep i know that. That's not the most. That's like us being like you know. Go by like a percussion plus kit or whatever you know just like a no brand name drums set but kind of cool the you can get a cocktail kit for that cheap. Yeah no absolutely. And i think that's basically you know how cocktail started coming back in the nineties drum and bass jungle music. You know people really starting to do mini kits and figuring out how to get really good sounds out of small drums and i think just some of the people out there remembered the cocktail drum and said hey you know this is basically the same thing and yet there are a few of the cheaper ones. Gp hp hp drums I mean even tricks although the this came a little bit later but the tricks and ones are surprisingly well made for the price They're not too expensive You know the big one that came out was the yamaha jordan which is trying to find the year. I think it was two thousand eleven that that one really came out cohen. That is a full full out. Pro beautifully made instrument Bands they had the snare on the side. you know. They had the little eight inch popcorn snare in attendance. Tom and then a lot of companies just took that model ran with it So i think that's what the tricks in is based on Than a bunch of the custom from makers dot into it as well Staffer and treehouse drowns sky. Billick blast makes a bunch. Cnc i know that you had an interview with a dna they. They made a really beautiful stainless single drum corps. Yeah and you see a lot of like like i'm looking at The thomma cocktail jam. You see a lot of them. Now where like. I feel like like you know the rules have gone out the window like you can. They can look our they want like they're very modular and the hardware has gotten to the point where they're divided up and i feel like kay hones are a very Hot topic in the drum world where some people love them. Some people hate him. But like where you incorporate a k. Hone with like a pedal. That's almost like a remote pedal that's going over here playing it So it's It's really the the an exciting time for the world of like you know. Stand up drum kits. Just gonna cool. Yeah absolutely and you know the at this point. I would call the you know the tama cocktail. Gm i get called cocktail. It has upward hitting pedal. Those are the two the two things to me is that the a pedal is hitting the bottom of drum and or you're standing up to play it The those things. I just call those ones floor. Tom based cocktail drums. And is basically you know what's funny is is basically the rogers park lane that that's what they've done. They've modernized rogers park lane which from nineteen fifty one which is crazy here as sixty plus years later and they're just kind of doing the same thing just but with improved hardware. They have a gap air gap in the middle. Which i think helps the sounded bass drum. Yeah yeah definitely but yeah there were. There were a bunch so you know right around two thousand. I think that many things started spilling over into people experimenting with a cocktail drum things. I'm a real quick rundown of their slinger. Lind which you know at that point. They were a completely different company. They're making terrible stuff through the seventies eighties. eighty really eighty ninety two thousands So they weren't great quality but they made a kit call the sling lynn espresso which was based on a sixteen inch floor. Tom same thing hanging off a small snaring small. Tom and symbols with upward hitting peddle a piece manhattan. Kit came out That one was the same basic concept except they. They sort of designed it so that the snare would stack on top of the floor. Tom so you. You're still playing vertical drum but it was still physically separate drums gotcha and actually one of the donate a stainless trump's with like that too. They actually rushed the snare on top of the kick drum. That's cool And then i think. I mentioned the kitchen tricks in which is like the club jordan. The amaha club jordan which the the one thing about that is. They made it a fifteen inch main drum which i appreciated because that sort of split the difference between this what what feels to me is oversized sixteen inch tall main drum but gave him more than a fourteen inch. Especially if you're using it as a floor. Tom and kick drum snare sure metal. Like i'm like. I didn't i mean it's crazy. Done this show now for selling. But i didn't know tricks was still making drums as a company. Yeah i i think it's still a different company. Basically maybe like they know. Vox and they have the new like speed fire kit. I think that's the right one. I'm thinking of but Okay i think. I think my memory was there. There's a music store in wisconsin lobs music which actually used to play a lot with one of the allowed Sons in boston And i believe that they own the trademark for tricks in feel like it was something like that and they started manufacturing through a third party under the tricks name. But but they are well-made drums. You know and again. The price point is pretty amazing. If you're looking just to get a cocktail to get into it. They're they're very well made for the price. Yeah like four four forty as the most of them. So i would buy that. Before i bought a gp offense gp but the now. But gee i mean that's again like i always say if you have a group percussion kit. That's great you do you. They're awesome to get your playing the drums. But these i mean tricks in has so much. History groove percussion wasn't around in the sixties and Yeah so and you'll just end up replacing the hardware on the gp stuff. That's that's the main thing that you'll you'll first thing you do is buy new heads and then after six months a year. You're going want to replace your hardware so you can avoid some that if you throw it out for tricks and yeah man okay. Were were up to the modern stuff. I learned something new. Learn tricks in his Still a company and on their website. They have kind of a digital snowflakes fall in the entire times site. Which is interesting. You don't that's not that's twenty you. Don't see that too often on modern websites but Okay so John now at this kind of if there's anything else throw it in there and equal stories. But i'd love to maybe at this point. Usually we say what are you up to. I know it's kovic so you're probably up to nothing like the rest of us but You know what's going on with you. gig wise. You know all that good stuff. Where can people find you that thing. Yeah so gig. It's yes it's very slow Actually live in southern maine. Now i'm in south berwick. Which is near. I with new hampshire Moved appear couple years ago From brooklyn and There's an amazing bunch of musicians appear so you know we. We are still actively working on music and occasionally playing Recently been subbing with his band called the the soggy po boys kind of new orleans jazz last second line ban really phenomenal and actually at the last gig. I told them. I was like next time bringing the cocktail trump. Because i think it's the perfect band for that actually So next time. I sub with him. I will hopefully be doing it on cocktail drum. I i also played an instrumental. Heavy metal band called bassoon right like the instrument. We're actually just finishing up our latest recording and some video stuff so that should be coming out early this next year Very very math heavy. it not cocktail. Trump or antidoto with body is just funny to think of like a double bass pedal on a cocktail kit and just literally losing your balance and just able to stand up. I've been trying to figure out how to do it. But you know that's gonna take a little bit of time that'll take thinking Yeah but i also lead a benny goodman swing. Dan- called flying home I i do a lot of music and drum transcription as well so that. That's one of my kind of passion projects you know. I start transcribing the music because i love it and then had so many charts. I got friends together. And ford dan so awesome in went non cova times were usually pretty active in the area. And then and just more experimental jazz ish stuff man called chaman denominators a trio with drums upright bass and then a trumpet player keyboard player. See that sounds like the metal band shaman denominator. I mean own sounds right. it's more more of yeah chum. Job in his We we do all kinds of stuff. i mean. we play some standards. Lot of originals. We do interpretations of bela bartok material and eric city. And stuff like that. So it's and free. Improvisation stuff coal and then also just play singer songwriters unhappily base as well. My wife laura. Cromwell plays drums in a band with our friend. Monica cohen. who in a band called sifter. And that's more like singer-songwriter stuff and so that's not a drum thing. Butler is a great drummer. So that's awesome. Love here her. Yeah she's got a shot the wife out especially if she's a drummer. Yeah i'll tell you my. I'll tell you my early story because before we were going out we were. Both drummers played a lot at the knitting factory in new york so we knew each other. But not all that well. And i got the call from laura. Saying hey. I'm doing some gigs in the subway. I hear you have a cocktail drum. You think you think. I go borrow that and of course being incredibly protective precious going well. It's a vintage. And i don't really like taking it out dada. Of course i've i've never lived. That went down. I still worked out and she can use my cocktail trump anytime. She wants exactly. That's why she married you right right. She had to marry me. I got good very sneaky. I wanted if. I can take a minute to just give a shout out to people who i consider are sort of. Important in in my mind in the cock cocktails. Earn world is You know again. My my perception of the cocktail drum is. It's just a weirdo instrument that you know maybe had its moment in the sun as a weird gimmick but i feel like over time people have really embraced it as a strange experimental instrument and i think there are a lot of people who are trying do it. That probably didn't know what a cocktail job was. So few quick examples are Drummer named ross arbor. He was the drummer and one of the singers in a band called the four freshmen which was a male vocal group in the fifties and he would perform he. Has this weird custom rack. It almost looked like the base of a desk table top taken off but it just had a snare drum into symbols but he would stand up and play this thing and sing so again just just experimental drum set up. It was like i see it. And i'm like this guy had the first drummer ac. Yeah that's basically what it was Other people no tucker from the velvet underground you know. She had her kick drum flipped on its side and played it with her hand. She didn't use her foot. I mean she. She couldn't sometimes she would but she would just play the kit and just play based room with her hand I think she would sit. But i'll still give it to her because that was a really cool thing to do her. bill conway. Is the drummer in a band. Called treat her right and then which later became morphine He had a ludwig cocktail drama. I think was a sixteen. And he played that exclusively treat right for a while and then he did play on some somewhere phen- tracks as well. I don't know if you're familiar with that band. But they're amazing. Van out of boston in the eighties and nineties morphines in the nineties and But he he did play the cocktail. entreaty right of some videos. Out there of him playing it cool very very cool and he got he had the thing sounding great actually with him a bunch when i first started the website and he was really really great. Guy really nice Also slim. Jim phantom from the stray cats right he kick and snare and couple of symbols and i think later he threw hat on the side. But you know he he was doing it. Basically made his own version of the ludwig gold coast and did that He and zinsou. I think a lot to with it in that world and and it it just kind of like. It's one of those things where like you said where like it just fits perfectly and it's really a part of the sound by kind of that rockabilly sound. It's kind of gangly and it. Just it fits really well. Yeah and and those guys. I mean they. They broke everything is everyone was in hair bands. You know like halfway there metal metal was was king in here. These guys don't rockabilly in a weird guy. Standing up playing kicks a symbol. It was pretty pretty impressive stuff Yeah there's another band from. Canada called moxie fruitless. That was around for the nineties And he other. I don't know how to pronounce his name. Ian jean j. a. gamez she He was the lead singer and play the drums and he had a kick drum with a snare basket. Mount up i. I don't think it was a traditional. You know gold coast. But i think he just made his own so he was doing that There's a woman Food sukey who played in a band girl japanese punk band. I don't know if they're really amazing and she played just floor. Tom and snare so it was always sticks but she stood played for tom and snare. And and just play the hell out of it is really really great Yeah and then judge moore. Traditional people bernie trestle played with brian setzer band and he played d. w. cocktail kit. Collect the club jordan. I think he did that kind of as a tribute to the stray cats standing thing but he's phenomenal drummer. You re really. Nothing beautifully Steve jordan who helped design the gama club jordan He was playing the Jordan with the john mayer trio. There's a bunch of videos that as well and then you'll you'll see him on all sorts of things like that and then the last one who did a project without that. I know of peter erskine. He had a band called the lounge art ensemble. And the the first record he used the club jordan. I think after that he went back to a traditional set but yet that was a cool thing. Yeah and then and then you just see them. People do little cameos with them. There's video at their mick. Fleetwood play in a book jordan. There's a club jordan in austin the first austin powers movie really for with Backhoe yeah he's playing on like on the top of the double decker bus. Kind of thing there yeah. I think they're on a street for that. Also has the cocktail drum. But there's a guy. Dan hicks in the hot licks who've been around forever he that was a funny because he actually rented my cocktail drum. Because they were on the conan. O'brien show. I got this weird call from his manager to saying hey can be your cocktail drum we we really wanna use it. Then he did. I thought that was very Innovative of him because it was kind of pre pre all the other cocktail drums. He just thought it was cool thing to have out front. Yeah man you know. What's what's old is new. And i'm sure they'll go through more it rations and changes and stuff. They're always there in the. You know like i said earlier like there's always you know most companies have them like. Yeah you can get a cocktail kit like it's like it's on page ten of the catalog and like the sixties it's like we offer them like you. Why not you know. Someone wants them and It's just so cool. Yeah absolutely and i think someone like you. Who's doing a great service to them by again. Having this website and spreading the knowledge like this is just It's what it's all about. And this is one of those things where like i don't know why like i have a list of episodes it. Sometimes it takes me a while to be like all right. Let me do the cocktail one. I googled it and within five minutes. I was like oh i think this is the guy to talk to cocktail drum dot com think. John might be who. I want so But and i i really you know. It's a communal effort. I started that website. Because i suddenly had a cocktail drum and there was no information about them anywhere. So my my first page. That had a picture of a cocktail drum and it just said hey if you know anything about these please email me so i can build up a source of information on the website and over time over many years people joined in jumped in. Set me pictures you know. Cadillac scan stories helped make some of the articles about things. The site is long overdue for an overhaul. But infos baroness good. And hopefully people are enjoying it. Yeah i mean that's that's the cool thing is like history like you have very It's very like factual history of this is the catalog. 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The Queen of Mean - Leona Helmsley

Female Criminals

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The Queen of Mean - Leona Helmsley

"Imagine being so outlandishly wealthy that you could purchase the Empire State building. Just to added to the list of properties you own or having so much money that upon your death. You leave a twelve million dollar trust fund for your dog? It all seems a bit unbelievable. But that kind of wealth was a reality for real estate tycoon Leona Helmsley she amassed her fortune by working her way to the top of the New York real estate scene. Leona would stop at nothing to get what she wanted. She wasn't called the Queen of mean for nothing. She tore apart marriages, threaten, tenants and contractors verbally abused. Her staff with so much money and status Leona Helmsley thought herself invincible she even started to believe she was above the law. Picture a murderer a gangster a thief. Did you pick your woman? We didn't think so society associates men with dangerous crimes. But what happens when the perpetrator is female every Wednesday. We examine the psychology motivations and atrocities of female criminals. Hi, I'm Sammy ni-, and I'm Vanessa Richardson, and you're listening to female criminals on the park cast network. This is our first episode on Leona Helmsley, a real estate magnate who climbed to the heights of New York City's elite before she was brought down for tax evasion in the nineteen eighties at park cast. We're grateful for you our listeners you allow us to do what we love let us know how we're doing reach out on Facebook and Instagram at par cast and Twitter at par cast network. And if you enjoy today's episode the best way to help us to leave a five star review wherever you're listening. It really does help. Us. We also know have merch had depart cast dot com slash merch. For more information. Leona Helmsley was famous for her extravagance ruthlessness and above all else her arrogance. She got her start in real estate in the nineteen forties. When she was only twenty years old by the sixties. She was one of the most powerful brokers in New York City, her desire to rise to the top by any means necessary lead Leona and her husband Harry to accumulate a net worth of over five billion dollars at a time when the average family's annual income was thirty two thousand nine hundred sixty five dollars, but you can't race to the top without cutting a few corners this week. We'll talk about how Leona came to be known as New York's Queen of mean next week. We'll discuss how Leona and Harry's business practices led to a federal investigation in the nineteen eighties. Landing Leona in prison tunder Stanley Ona's obsession with much. Money, image and power. We must first examine her childhood. Leona Helmsley was born Leona Mindy Rosenthal on the fourth of July nineteen twenty in marble town, New York, as the fireworks lit up, the sky and people gathered in the streets Ida and Morris Rosenthal held their newly born third child their neighbors and friends were celebrating the country they loved and they hoped America would give their daughter all the opportunities. They'd never had Ida and Morris were Jewish immigrants from Poland. They married before emigrating in hopes of a better safer. Life Morris kept his family fed housed and clothed by working as a hat maker in the small community of marble town, Ida stayed home with little Yona making sure her daughter was happy and cared for. They were quiet kind people who loved their neighbors and their little colonial style home. Unfortunately, work as a hat maker and marble town quickly grew scarce after all there were only about two. Thousand people living in the town at the time Morris, an Ida talked over the decision to move to our south to New York City where they would both have more opportunities for work before Leonidas fifth birthday. They finally made the decision to move. They packed up their few belongings and relocated to an apartment in Brooklyn. The Brooklyn of the nineteen twenties was different than the hipster haven. It is today. It was an affordable neighborhood home to a friendly. Eclectic group of people who commuted to the city for work. It was the perfect place for the Rosenthal's to live. But the Rosenthal's never quite felt at home. In Brooklyn Morris found it difficult to support his wife and three kids on a hat makers income it wasn't long before they were picking up and moving again. In fact, they moved six more times across the country by the time Leona entered high school in nineteen thirty four at that time, the Rosenthal's returned to New York City and found an apartment in may. Manhattan Leona enrolled in ABRAHAM LINCOLN high school, but she would never graduate. She had bigger plans for herself. And she didn't need a high school diploma to chase them Vanessa's going to take over on the psychology here. And throughout the episode. Please note Vanessa is not a licensed psychologist or psychiatrist, but she has done a lot of research for the show. Thank Sammy a big part of understanding who Leona became is understanding how frequent moves affect children. According to a two thousand ten study published in the journal of personality and social psychology children who endure multiple moves during their childhood are more likely to experience lower life satisfaction and have fewer quality social connections. In other words. Children who move around a lot early in life are more likely to be unhappy and have fewer close friends. They may feel like they have no agency or control over their own lives. It's not unreasonable to. Zoom that some of those children would try to find a way to counterbalance those feelings and seek out ways to reclaim their personal identities. Leona certainly tried when she made the decision to drop out of high school before her senior year, she may have been trying to take back some of her personal power. It's worth noting that finish in high school wasn't nearly as important in the nineteen thirties as it is today. Many jobs didn't require a high school education, especially in the manufacturing and domestic service industries where the majority of women found work around this time Leona also began experimenting with different names and personalities she may not felt like she had any control over where her family moved or where she went to school. But she could decide what she did. And who she was as a person Leona new the antisemitism would work against her. So she dropped her last name Rosenthal. She experimented with a number of first names as well. Leonidas frequent name changes are part of the reason we know so little about her early life. She tried going by Lee Roberts, Mindy Roberts and Lenny Roberts. But none of those first names clicked with her. Finally, she settled on Leona Roberts. She felt her given first name sounded regal and thought she would face fewer challenges with a more Anglican sounding last name not long after she left school in the mid nineteen thirties Leona went to work at a sewing factory to support herself. But she didn't last long in that job. She felt that the work was beneath her and that she was meant for greater things based on the his behavior throughout her life. It's possible she may have exhibited narcissistic personality disorder. According to the mayo clinic, this is a mental condition in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for excessive attention and admirations troubled relationships and a lack of. Empathy for others a person with narcissistic personality disorder may be obsessed with fantasies involving social power an economic success. They may only form relationships with people. They assume can help them achieve these goals. It's also important to note that behind the inflated sense of self that most people with narcissistic personality disorder display, there is an underlying fragility to their self esteem Leona may have developed the disorder in response to her modest upbringing and frequent moves Leona childhood made her the perfect candidate for emotional vulnerability as she and her family bounced from town to town. It was likely difficult for the poor grow with emigrant parents to make friends, especially if her family didn't stay too long in one place, perhaps this was the route of Leona 's intense need for social approval and her obsession with having a lifestyle that would make others envious. Whatever the reasoning Leona was go. To stop at nothing to achieve what she wanted shortly after she left the sewing factory. She was hired on as a realtor with a local firm in this role. She thrived the years she spent trying to make new friends as she moved around taught her how to win over strangers. However, Leona struggled to form genuine emotional attachments to people in her life. Instead, she viewed every relationship as temporary and focused on what she could get out of her connections with others. But it was that exact mindset that made her so good at real estate. She knew what she wanted. She knew what people wanted to hear to close the deal and she didn't allow emotions to waste any time. She was only a teenage girl, but her work was on par with any of the firms older male realtors wall, she was climbing the ranks in the real estate firm Leona met, Leo Panzer, a hotshot attorney who was ten years Leona senior. She allowed herself to be courted by him. And they were married in nineteen forty when Leona was twenty years old, married. Life didn't slow her down any while many women were working to help support their families during the great depression. It was still assumed that the man was the breadwinner of the family. It was unusual for a married woman to pursue a career with the same dedication as a man. Would it was even more unique for a woman to work in a male dominated field such as real estate, but never wanted to be deterred because of societal norms Leona worked even harder than most of the men at her firm. Her dedication made her popular and respected within the company to cope with the stress of balancing her heavy workload with her role as a wife Leona started smoking heavily her habit quickly progressed and soon she was blowing through multiple packs of cigarettes a day. It was an addiction. Her husband begged her to give up especially after there. Son. Jay was born November eighth nineteen forty one. But Leona had always had a mind of her own even with a newborn son in her life. She continued smoking and working through every day. Most days she left the house before her husband in the morning and came home after him at night. It was a constant source of strain in their marriage. As pens era had hoped. Leona would take some time off work to raise their family. Instead Jay was often left in the care of a nanny or looked after by Leona 's mother right from the beginning leones relationship with her son. Jay was further evidence that she struggled to form a motion bonds with people she saw motherhood as a chore, something she had to do not something. She wanted to do her career on the other hand was something. She truly wanted to invest time and energy into her career was also something she was very good at through her years at the real estate firm Leona learned what may. Made people tick what really made them decide to close the sale and the more sale. She made the better clientele. She was given by the time. She was in her mid twenties. She was handling some of the firms top sales. This meant Leona got a firsthand look at what life was like for New York's obscenely wealthy. Her family had never kept many personal possessions due to their frequent moves, but some of her richer clients had so many things that could barely fit them all inside the luxury properties. She was selling them. She saw how easy it was for people with money to get what they wanted. She was working around the clock to move up the company ladder, but these people barely had to put forth any effort to maintain their fortunes. It was her first taste of the elite life and Leona wanted more by the late nineteen forties after about a decade of work Leona had climbed her way to the top. She was promoted to vice president of the real estate firm. She was only in her late twenties. And she had surpassed men twice her age the elite lifestyle she desperately craved was just within her reach. But there was one person holding her back. Her husband, Leo. Coming up. We'll take a look at how Leona 's ambition lead to disaster within her family. When you're between episodes of female, criminals. You should check out a great show the Samiun, I both love called true crime all the time on solved, it's not a park cash show. But I enjoy hosts Mike and Gigi take me on a journey through both well known and lesser known cases in true crime history. True crime all the time unsolved dives into the details. Because the details are what's most important. They tell the stories of the victims the facts surrounding the cases and look at all the possible suspects their recent four-part in-depth dive into the west Memphis three case and the murders of Stevie branch. Michael Moore and Christopher Byers was both extensive, and I are opening if you like true crime, and we know you do you must check out true crime all the time unsolved, new episodes come out every Sunday night. It's a perfect way to start your workweek or your Monday morning commute search for and subscribe to true crime all the time unsolved. Wherever you listen to your podcasts. Now back to the story. In the late nineteen forties. Leona Roberts became the vice president of her real estate firm in New York City. She hadn't yet reached her thirtieth birthday. And she was well on her way to becoming one of the city's elite as Leona became more successful. She began to see her husband, Leo as deadweight he was a respected lawyer. But in Leone is he hadn't advanced far enough in his career, and he wasn't making the kind of money. She expected of him their relationship began to sour Leona threw herself even deeper into her work staying long hours at her office or attending parties with her co workers to avoid going home to her family by nineteen fifty two. The couple had had enough of each other. They divorced agreeing to split time with twelve year old Jay evenly. It didn't take Leona long defined a new husband pretty soon. She met Joseph Lubin, a prominent garment industry executive in Manhattan. He would make a great match for the lifestyle Leona hoped to build Leona charmed Lubin quickly. And the couple was married in nineteen fifty three less than a year after her first divorce. She was thirty three. The next decade of Leone is life is somewhat of a mystery later in life after she amassed her fortune. She refused to talk about these years at all they apparently didn't fit into the carefully crafted narrative, she'd created of her own life Leona frequently changed her backstory, sometimes she even wrote her marriage divorce and remarriage to Joseph Lubin out of her story altogether. All we know is that through the nineteen fifties and sixties Leona continued to build herself up in the real estate world. She divorced Lubin then remarried him then left him for the second time to focus on her career by the late nineteen sixties as Leona reached her late forties. She was more successful than ever. All of her listings were high end urban condominiums as opposed to the more modest apartments in property. She was previously assigned. Thanks to her upscale clientele. She was moving and prominent social circles around the city, it was through these social circles that leeann emit fifty nine year old Harry Helmsley a real estate tycoon in his own, right. Like Leona, Harry was also a high school dropout. He had worked his way up the real estate ladder from low paid office boy to one of the country's wealthiest men at twenty nine years old Helmsley had used his last thousand dollars to purchase and renovate his first building, which he sold just a few years later for roughly sixty six thousand dollars he became so successful at real estate that he eventually purchased Dwight Voorhis and Perry the firm where he'd once worked as an office boy in nineteen forty nine under Harry Helmsley is leadership. Ship that firm now called Dwight Voorhis and Helmsley purchase. The toy center the gray bar building. And the state more Moritz hotel in one thousand nine hundred sixty one he and his business partners purchased the Empire State building for sixty five million dollars worth about five hundred fifty million dollars today. This was the highest price that had ever been paid for a single building. Suffice to say, Harry Helmsley had a reputation as one of New York's most influential real estate dealers that reputation and his newly established status as a billionaire may have been what drew Leona to him in the first place. When the pair met in nineteen sixty eight Leona was already a millionaire of her own making her time as a high end real estate broker had afforded her a decent lifestyle. But she could sense that a marriage to Harry would really shoot her up the ranks of New York society after their first meeting leeann. You made an effort to stay in contact with Harry, but she played out her strategy carefully. She knew Harry was already married to a wife of more than thirty years. So she worked her way into his social life through business. Harry was eager to bring Leona onto his team at one of his several real estate firms Brown Harris Stevens after all she was well known for being one of the most talented brokers in the city, and once she was hired Leona proved that she didn't intend to give that reputation up her business savvy and skill with the clients impressed, Terry and the other senior members at the firm by nineteen seventy liens, persistence and hard work earned her the position of senior vice president at Brown Harris Stevens, purlee Ona's advice. Harry continued to amass properties across Manhattan, including the Lincoln building and flat iron buildings. She wanted to make sure his personal fortune grew as much as possible and not. Just out of friendly consideration shortly after her promotion, Harry and Leona began an affair Harry purchased her and impressive apartment in the upper class. Chelsea neighborhood where the average cost of a unit was half a million dollars over three point two million dollars today. Harry would meet Leona there on a regular basis. Harry's wife eve was fully aware of the affair. He fully disclosed the whole situation to her. And they spoke daily about Harry's meetings with Leona still every night, Harry came home to eve, so she was fine with the arrangement, but leeann ah didn't like sharing she began pressuring Harry to leave his wife and Mary her so later in nineteen seventy Harry finally asked his wife for a divorce eve asked Harry why they needed to divorce. So suddenly, and Harry said it was because another man was trying to win. Leone as affections Leona had told him that she'd received a letter with a diamond ring and a marriage proposal, and she only had ten days to make up her mind hairy needed to hurry and propose to Leona before he lost her eve was heartbroken, but even more. She was concerned. That Leona was swindling her husband into a hasty decision. But if Harry wanted to leave she wasn't going to stop him for a while. Even Harry had daily discussions about whether or not divorce was the right move. Several people close to Harry shared Eve's concerns that Leona was psychologically manipulating him into marriage. In all likelihood the supposed letter from Leonidas mysterious suitor was a manipulation tactic. According to Dr Preston knee too common. Traits of psychological manipulators are the use of negative surprises and asking for decisions in an unreasonable amount of time. Need defines negative surprise? Raises as unexpected negative information. That comes without warning. This tactic is typically meant to throw the person being manipulated off their guard and give power back to the manipulator in Leona case. She used the surprise of the proposal letter to exert control over the relationship and put Harry on the defensive the other tactic asking people to make decisions in an unreasonable amount of time is meant to apply tension to a situation the goal is for the manipulator to get his or her victim to crack under pressure and agree to what the manipulator wants Leona employed. This tactic by telling Harry, she had a ten day time frame to make a decision on the other proposal hairy, then only had ten days to decide if he was going to leave his wife or not ultimately eve saw how stressed her husband was about the situation. And agreed to the divorce Leone is plan had worked on April eighth ninth. Nine hundred seventy two Harry, Leona Helmsley were married. Leona was now truly one of New York's elite she might have hoped. This would open new doors for her in the real estate world but shortly after their marriage Leona 's career, hit a roadblock. One of Harry's residential properties was being converted into condos and Leona took it upon herself to deal with the buildings current tenants. She presented them with two options. Either buy into the condos or she would buy their units from underneath them. The residents had signed long-term leases some as long as three years, and they legally didn't have to submit to this ultimate them. But Leona wanted to move forward with the construction and she wanted to do it. Now. Many of the tenants claimed that Leona verbally abused them until they gave in however, several tenants refused to be bullied and filed a lawsuit against Leona in the end Leona was forced to compensate the tenants by covering their three year leases. Her real estate license was suspended without her real estate license. Leona turned her attention to another. Venture harry's. Berge inning, hotel business. It was her goal to expand the business further by opening a new hotel and making it one of the city's finest construction took place throughout the nineteen seventies Leona oversaw most of the major decision making on the hotel as Harry handled the real estate side of their business. When Leona was finally satisfied with the building. It was fifty one stories tall and head over one thousand rooms the Helmsley palace hotel was set to open on September fifteenth nineteen eighty but before the grand opening Leona and her marketing team launched an ad campaign to show off the new hotels high class accommodations. But it was what happened behind the scenes of the ad campaign that really caught the public's attention. When we come back. We'll explore the incidents that led to Leonidas reputation as the Queen of mean now back to the story before the grand opening of the Helmsley palace hotel in nineteen eighty Leona Helmsley prepared an ad campaign to get the public's attention. She forced the team involved with a campaign to work from eight in the morning until well past normal working hours, often ten or more hours a day. She also demanded that Norman Parkinson the photographer for the British Royal family shoot the photos for the spread the signature line for the ad campaign. Was it's the only palace in the world where the Queen stands guard the Queen and the photos, of course, was Leona herself. She believed that by making herself the face of Helmsley hotels. She would increase both her personal brand and the value of the hotel empire when Parkinson and his crew arrived for the photo shoot Leona made. Them wait as she changed into a number of evening gowns and did different poses in front of a green screen in her penthouse rather than shooting on location. She tasked the campaign manager with altering the green screen into backdrops of her various hotel properties. No easy task in nineteen eighty for the whole creative teams dedicated work. Leona was only willing to pay ten thousand dollars about thirty thousand dollars today. A some that barely covered the fees for the campaigns art director, according to add week, we can presume they didn't know what they beginning into when they agreed to work for such a small figure, but the ad campaign. Worked by the time, the Helmsley palace hotel opened in September Leona was notorious throughout the city and across the country both for her glamorous image and for the commotion. She caused behind the scenes Leona was a celebrity long before other hotel magnates like, Donald Trump or Paris. Tune. In fact, the tabloids of the time weren't shy of speculating about the Trump families jealousy of the Helmsley success. The New York Post even quoted Donald Trump calling her a disgrace to humanity and saying quote when God created Leona the world received no favors and quote. The animosity between the two tycoons seems to have stemmed from a dispute over a piece of property in Atlantic City. There was one small parcel of land owned by the Helmsley's in the middle of an area owned by Trump. And for no reason other than spite Leona refused to sell it. The routine land dispute blossomed into a feud that played out across the pages of gossip rags, the New York Times and newspapers as far off as the Washington Post and the L A times at one high society party in the eighties. Trump poured an entire bottle of red wine into the hood of Leona coat a few years. Later Leona told playboy, quote, the nerve of this SOB the skunk. I wouldn't believe Donald Trump if his tongue was notarized, and quote Leona didn't care if people liked her as long as they were paying attention to her Leona had always bordered on vanity. But now that she was no longer a realtor. Her public image was the product she focused on selling consumer scientists Jane workman and soon hee Lee split vanity into two categories vanity of physical appearance and vanity of the achievement of success Leona desire to be seen as part of the social elite puts her into the achievement of success division. It was powered not beauty. She was obsessed with she cared about her appearance only in so far as it was a reflection of her status and accomplishments because of that vanity she pursued personal success mercilessly following the ad campaign. Leona developed a reputation as the Queen of mean, she was known for shouting at employee's on a whim firing people without cause and humiliating the workers beneath her her former employee stated that she would hold spur of the moment. Staff meetings where she would pick someone to shout at just to belittle them in front of their peers, she frequently used racial slurs made homophobic comments and attacked people's physical appearances, Charles bell. A former Helmsley bellhop told the New York Times Leona loved to make them all feel like dirt. She was not above making people beg for their jobs after firing them. And fact, she seemed to enjoy when they did many of her former employees said that the only time they felt they could relax was when Leona was exercising in the Park Lane. Hotel's pool every morning from six thirty until seven thirty during that time, everyone was free of her except. The pool staff that is she made it a point to humiliate them by requiring them to hand feed her fresh seafood between her exercises her ice cold reputation grew when her only child Jay died suddenly of a heart attack on March thirty first nineteen eighty two he was forty shortly. After Jay's funeral Leona sent an Vic shin notice to her former daughter-in-law who was still occupying the Helmsley owned property. In addition to kicking her late son's, grieving wife and four children out of their home. Leona sued for the right to Jay's estate claiming it as repayment on money. Her son had borrowed from her. She won the case and her former daughter-in-law was allegedly forced to pay her a hundred and forty six thousand ninety two dollars yet despite her menacing reputation Leona gained control of twenty three hotels between nineteen seventy two and nineteen eighty nine. The Helmsley properties were flourishing. It was all very strange to Harry who never intended his life would change so significantly upon marrying Leona before their marriage. Harry lived a relatively quiet life. He kept a low respectable profile. The New Yorker said he went out of his way to avoid calling attention to himself that was not Leona style. She'd married into money and she wanted to flaunt it. She demanded that Harry move them to the central park south neighborhood where the average household net worth was over one million dollars in the nineteen eighties about three million dollars today. Leona and Harry took the penthouse in their Park Lane hotel as their primary lodging after moving in Leona completely redecorated the multi-million dollar residents furnishing it with the finest items. She could by Leone is desire for extravagance. Once again goes back to her vanity and her need. To find power through material possessions. This still wasn't enough for her in nineteen eighty three. She convinced Harry to purchase a historic mansion called done Ellen hall in Greenwich, Connecticut, and this was where the Helmsley's legal troubles began Leona plan to use the historic twenty one room mansion as a weekend home where she and Harry could host parties outside the city. Harry purchased the estate for eleven million dollars and Leona immediately got to work on making it her dream home. Leona wanted to make everything about the estate glamorous, she outlined plans for a million dollar dance floor above the swimming pool and a complete overhaul of the topiary. She also replaced most of the clocks in the home with custom made silver clocks and ordered a custom mahogany card table that cost two hundred and ten thousand dollars in the end the renovations cost over eight. Million dollars the equivalent of over twenty million dollars today. Many of the renovations were written off their taxes as business expenses. Despite the fact that this was a private residence, not a commercial property Leona reportedly told one of the housekeepers that she didn't believe she and Harry had to pay taxes because quote, only the little people pay taxes, and quote, this belief would not be shared by the Internal Revenue Service the Helmsley's at higher dozens of contractors and private construction crews to work on the estate, however, when the time came to close out on their contracts Leona and Harry repeatedly delayed the payments in nineteen eighty-five two years after construction began one of the cruise brought a lawsuit against the Helmsley's for non payment after that the Helmsley's finally began to pay the workers. However, most of the money used to pay the contractors didn't come from the Helmsley's personal assets. Instead Leona was. Is writing them off as business expenses across the books of their various hotel properties. She was also charging her own personal expenses to the business accounts such as travel costs back and forth from New York to Connecticut, but to ensure those expenses could be charged as renovations Leona needed the signature of Jeremiah McCarthy. The chief engineer of Harry's construction and development firm when she approached McCarthy with the falsified invoices, he refused to sign them, his disobedience and raged Leona. She shouted at him saying, quote, you don't tell me how to spend my money you sign what you're told to sign and quote McCarthy refused and Leona fired him on the spot. Mccarthy pleaded with Leona to be reasonable stating that he had a wife and six children who were counting on him Leona replied by suggesting he should have quote kept it in his pants if he was so concerned with money. By this time people were starting to grow suspicious of leeann, Harry's dealings. Rumors were circulating about how Leona had funneled nearly four million dollars from their hotels into the done Ellen hall renovations. Still Leona made it clear that any employee or private contractor who refuse to accept her method of business would be immediately dismissed in late nineteen eighty-five Jeremiah McCarthy and several other frustrated construction heads retaliated, they took their accusations. And the falsified invoices to the New York Post. The press was always eager to take a jab at Leona. They ran the story accusing the Helmsley's of tax evasion and falsifying accounting documents the article garnered quite a bit of attention and brought Leona illegal actions to public light. But the Queen of mean refused to be brought down. She did not even acknowledge the art. At all and dismissed it as gossip the more people rallied against her the higher Leona thought of herself a common characteristic of people with superiority complexes psychologist. Alfred Adler described as superiority complex as a person's response to counter or conceal his or her feelings of inferiority Adler road. That people struggling with a superiority complex often, quote confused, what they want to be or what they think they are with reality Leona, had crafted herself image carefully. She thought of herself as royalty. And everyone else as her subjects she likely didn't see her tax fraud and abuse of employees as inappropriate illegal behavior. It was just the way she conducted business Harry on the other hand took the article a little more personally as a self made man, he hated the idea of people knowing he hadn't gotten to where he was in life. Honestly, he. Decided he and Leona needed time away from the city until the situation cooled down the Helmsley's decided to take an extended vacation in Barbados until everything blew over Harry sold at tolina as a quiet romantic getaway. But the vacation would be short lived the New York Post article had caught the eye of United States attorney for the southern district of New York Rudy Giuliani Giuliani reached out to the IRS and began a formal investigation on the Helmsley's business. The investigation was incredibly easy Giuliani later told Barbara Walters. He was surprised at how many people were willing to speak out against Leona. He said the hatred for her was enormous in April nineteen Eighty-eight two and a half years after the New York Post article was published Giuliani's investigation was concluded. He formally charged Leona and Harry with one hundred eighty eight counts. Including tax evasion, and extortion, the Helmsley's were forced to return to New York to face their legal troubles at first Leona seemed unfazed she was confident her social status and connections would keep her out of trouble. Unfortunately, Leona was about to learn that there are some problems money. Can't solve. 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The Flooded Forest of Congaree National Park

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36:15 min | 1 year ago

The Flooded Forest of Congaree National Park

"Ever since we sold our loft in chicago and started living in an r._v. full time. It's always good to find things that really make us feel at home. Wherever we are that's so true and so important. I remember really getting into gold real beauty when we're in chicago and we just enjoy it on our rooftop. Dak on those precious few summer nights we had in chicago it just so refreshing and just goes with everything especially at sunset with ice cold gold peak real brew t the comforts of home are never far away. You can find your favorite gold peak tea flavor at any retailer near you yeah. That's very true. Gold pierro t the tastes that brings your home as it turns out flooding al-badan no not at all most people tend to equate flirting with disaster understandably so but flooding can actually do just the opposite sometimes to lake kokaan-ri national park where floods represent the circle of life to borrow a line from the lion king absolutely down in this part of south carolina flooding is as natural as barbecue and it's a reoccurring phenomenon that makes congress so special. I am matt and i'm brad this park orlando. We packed up our loft in chicago moved into an r._v. with a dog thin and now we're traveling country full-time visiting america's national parks today. We're talking about hungary national national park in south carolina <music> history connery's apart that shows the benefits of flood waters since the park is twenty four thousand acres of flood plain of the congo river over the massive trees and the vegetation here depends on floods to carry nutrients into their roots and keep the floors floor healthy right down here. This process is not a crisis and in fact. It's a cycle that this landscape is designed for an thrives in these trees were also attractive beacon for native americans initially as well as explorers and settlers as well. Yeah the park gets its name from the congress river of course <hes> which gets its name from the congress indians who lived here um i'm for centuries before smallpox reared its ugly little head in the seventeen hundred yeah really sad but their namesake river park live on for visitors to marvel today and and that's great and we really respect and admire that as it turns out though the flood plain was not as welcoming to farmers and loggers as it was to the congress indians nope the all the standing water made it really difficult for farming in this area and people trying to capitalize on the benefits of huge trees by cutting down the log wind up with more than they could ever to. I mean they couldn't get their equipment across the terrain because it was too soft into muddy and then when they attempted to float the fallen trees down the river most of them saying because there are just so oh denson heavy already yeah. I kinda like it. It's <hes> i'm sure it sucked really annoying for these farmers and muggers but this is like a primary really good example of nature nature saying no and putting a stop to this and just kind of taking back control which is beautiful and you have to really really beautiful. I'm sure it'd be saying a different thing if it was a farmer back then but absolutely not and eventually these wannabe loggers were able to develop equipment that could navigate the difficult landscape but at this this point that another thing stopping them the sierra club gotta love the sierra club while so these trees saviors stepped in and helped protect the region initially as the congress swamp national monument in nineteen seventy six even though this isn't really a swamp at all so that's kind of a misnomer technically but let's not nitpick a good thing. No let's not and then congress was upgraded to a national park today three making it one of the country's younger parks yeah nowadays you don't <hes> <hes> need an art to navigate this either now you don't kayaks and canoes do just fine in fact. This is one of the best national park for paddling so i think we should just get right into talk about our kayaking trip and hungary because this is like the star attraction here river similar to the water parks and the everglades. This is one place where you have to paddle title in order to really appreciate the essence of it yeah very true. There are plenty of trails here and we'll talk about those now terrific. They are later but at its core hungary really is a waterpark first and foremost indeed i though you gotta make sure you were visiting at the right time in order to make the most of it kayak without getting lost in the maze of trees. That sounds like a nightmare yeah. I mean you know the water there. It's it goes from really low and it can go up to ten feet higher than its lowest point. That's completely insane so that's what we mean. When we say timing is everything here and there's there's certain seasons that are ideal for kayaking and certain seasons that are completely treacherous and impassable so you got to do a little research. Call the call the congress visitor center before you book your trip or before you stop in and especially before you out in the water because it's the water rises above the riverbed levels than this completely turns the forest into a labyrinth up trees and that's that's not good knowing you only want to be a dedicated like kayaker to that area to be able to navigate through absolutely so in the wintertime. That's when most of the park funny occurs so that's the time of year that it's the riskiest and you're going to want to be a little reticent but do keep in mind that river flooding can can happen at any time of year. It happens about a dozen times a year so it's not like a constant and regular thing and for the most part hungary is accessible but it it's just something to keep in mind and be prepared for as you map out your hungary paddle trip yeah. The kayak offers usually don't operate that time of the year because as the river ver- floods you know it's harder to find those routes along the trees and it becomes that big maze that we were talking about <hes> and you know you also have to deal with congress summer months which really get really humid really buggy and so it's best to visit in the spring or the fall yeah. This is clearly a place of extremes. Can you either contend with horrific. Flooding potentially or horrific mosquitoes worms almost definitely in the summer months and i would rather not deal with either those so spring or fall or ideal and we did a spring trip. This was like <hes> what was early spring so temperatures very comfortable. Mosquito mosquito levels were low in the river and stream were were very accessible and i remember starting our trip here. We went into the visitor center which had this this surprisingly cute mosquito meter. They called it. It has an array of different numbers on it one through six and they adjust an arrow pointing at these different numbers based based on the mosquito levels outside one obviously is the lowest in that means all clear to means mild and then it goes all the way up to six which means warzone in that that sounds insane. I do not want to experience that. No you don't wanna be here when there's mosquito wars and can imagine no no also the park offers free guided canoe trips in the spring to which is an awesome option and yet another reason why you should visit here in the spring and weight just like sit winter out yeah. I think we just barely missed that window we did. We were like a week before the canoe trips. Were starting so vet that tends to happen a lot to us. We're like barely miss something. That happened like like where were we. I think it was like carlsbad caverns where they were going to do their bat or something yeah we missed it by like three days so so great timing on our part yeah store lives <hes> but you know it worked out fine though because we were able to book that guided kayak trip but the nearby l. footer on they brought other boat the equipment and took us a few hours on cedar lake yeah <hes> cedar creek actually and right so that worked out the best and <hes> even though it wasn't free and it costs a little bit of money. I thought it was totally worth it. Because this is a must do experience here kayaking and i love the route we took it was so much fun and and really beautiful we did cedar creek instead of congress river so it's a much smaller waterway that winds directly through this dense forest filled with huge trees. The congress has the largest trees east of the mississippi. I mean these things are just enormous. <hes> especially the law bali pines cypress trees and the two belo's <hes> a cyprus and the two blows are the ones most commonly found at water level and then typically with their roots buried deep under water right. That's how they endure and they don't like topple all over anything because they're so like deep underground and they can contend with the water levels are rising up down and whatnot and there are so many of these trees is that they formed the largest old growth bottomland hardwood forest in the country. This basically means huge trees that grow in flood plains like this and they're tall like the tree canopy. The average is about one hundred and thirty feet which it's really hefty for east coast trees so yeah. There's a lot of tree. I can't hear and if you're a tree enthusiast like i <music>. I'm probably an amateur treat enthusiast. I guess i appreciate them. This was great and really find experience and these trees they provide a really expensive canopy for the creek rising tall enough and picking up that they block out direct sunlight yeah. This was really helpful because it help act out the rain too yeah. That was a huge benefit because this is the drizzly day it was kind of gray so son wasn't really much of an annoyance but the rain could have put a damper on the day and the trees came to our rescue and it was very convenient i think here and there we felt just it's a little bit of like droplets and stuff but absolutely nothing freak out about yeah no not at all and i think actually the why they're really fit the vibe that creek because the creek was like eerie and dark and ominous and misty and mystical mystical yeah it was like a little looks like kind of a haunted for us to be honest ooh did right so i feel like having a like grey drizzly day just really cemented that vibe in a meter really fun and to not like you know scorching hot or or anything like that so we're able to relax and paddle for a few hours on the way we're able to learn learn about the variety of trees and how popular the park is for burgers as well yeah apparently it's filled with our goals and woodpeckers especially to my faves yeah and you can occasionally we hear them both making noises as you paddle along the peacefully quiet creek <hes> there's also eight species of woodpeckers here. I thought a lot of what packers yeah. It's amazing how many i had no idea that there that mean different species of woodpeckers at all no me neither i only really knew about the one with like the red <hes> <hes> head or whatever you know what becker whatever he's based on a. m aware of that species woodpecker and nothing else say animated series. That's all you know yeah gotcha. That's my template for what packers as far as i'm concerned and that's mine too great for on the same page page yeah so priming sample congress educating asked an enlightening e._s._p._n. Like hey there's a whole world of woodpeckers out here beyond what our tune yeah and it was exciting to learn about that and hear them to you. You could hear hear them off. In the distance yeah <hes> that was that was really exciting and this park is actually designated as a globally important bird area to which it's pretty impressive the park even does something called owl prowls which is i'm sure as exciting as it is cute sounding. Yes and i'm dying to do this. It takes police at night naturally and it's a ranger guided tour that takes you out into the woods to listen for n._c. All's i'm so into that and i'm hoping the next time we're here. We can do one of these l. L. a. prowls because that would be so much fun. Yeah that would be amazing right. I was also hoping this season river otters too because we were told that there is a chance of bat along cedar creek but no no lock. Unfortunately i'd love it. If there's some kind of offer prowl actually for that in a heartbeat i would do that and instead we i saw a bunch of torn up ground along the banks of the creek caused by those pesky little wild feral riots yeah so not as cute no and is super invasive subspecies. I mean clearly taking things up <hes> tearing them up <hes> you know they dig for the vegetation and all that right with no concern for the for you know presentation just like hideous amounts of dirt on that side of the creek lake. Thanks nice job guys but on another now it's really great to get into a kayaker canoe here because of how leisurely relaxed it is and it's not strenuous like the creek was moving but it's going so slow that you don't even notice notice that you can easily go upstream without even using too much muscle or strain and that's another reason why this is a great trip for kids and families to if you're a newbie kayaking or canoeing kandari is awesome option yeah. It's a totally still moving creek and you know you get to meet some amazing. I think people but we're going to tell you more about that. After this short break when you're off all day hiking in the mountains and one of our favorite national parks. I tend tend to have these kind of weird lunchtime. Obsessions like tuna salad which i pack everywhere i go seemingly obsession but you have other obsessions that aren't weird yeah no not at all like ice cold gold peak tea which actually makes perfect sense yes because they're perfectly crafted with ingredients like pure filtered water mountain grown tea the and just the right balance of sweetness the real brewed taste that really just makes you feel at home so good so refreshing remember when you're kayaking into everglades with all all the alligators and crocodiles yes. I definitely do that was a fun adventure of a day. I felt that you were like snapping at us and jumping at us and so we had to keep on cocking faster to get away and you know. We just got really hot and tired yeah. It was definitely hot. It was really sunny. I'm still sunburned from that day probably and i paddled so fast and got so hot that the most enjoyable part was grabbing that ice cold gold peak real brew tea brought the comfort of home and happiness right back into my heart. Oh oh sam it's the best medicine for a sunburn and let me tell you you can find your favorite gold peak flavor at a retailer near you or from our fridge because we're always fully stocked art and we have more than enough to go around. Gold peak real brewed tea the tastes that brings you home hi. I'm matt. I am brand. This is parkland yeah and today we're talking about congress national park. Yes we are so on this trip. Not only was it super super fun and enlightening lightening to activity but one of our favorite things as we're able to meet a couple of folks who were visiting congress from columbia south carolina for work they were in town for i think conference of some sort and they had like the first half of the day free or maybe the whole day free so they research things to do in the area and colombia's not too far from congress like twenty five miles or something yeah it's reasonable close enough that they were able to take a left or an uber and drop them off at the river for which that's impressive because like as they pulled up they're getting out of the vehicle and they had their coffees and like bagels like you know in their bags hanging out of their mouth and stuff and it was just kind of funny like mike how does that. That's what we look like weaken out of a live somewhere yeah. Probably it's funny because somebody real like who who are these people and you're going to be our friends big over gate over here rolling in yeah yeah and i think like brad. He was like looking for the things i do and he was gonna do this and the guy's name name referring to yourself yeah not myself but then he told lila about going on a kayaking trip and she's like sign me up to yeah. Yes i love the enthusiasm i love the effort they put into it because that's kind of how we travel to like whether were <hes> looking for an r._v. Space or for we're just kind of in a town or city or whatever we research things to do in the nearby area and then put the effort in and realize that it's doable like from columbia the state's capital aw and like a sizable city. You're not too far from congress. You're not too far from this. Crazy wild like kayak trip this little adventure. I'm really glad that they did that and that else mentally we're able to meet them and they were able to even meet our dog fan and check out our r._v. because they couldn't get r._v. V. going back into town and we were going away so we're just like well. Come on with us right. We'll we'll shoot for this. This is what this lifestyles about <hes> <hes> and and i remember we wanted to bring fin on this trip in the kayaks but dachshunds plus tax <hes> they don't really go out together <hes> but it would be cute to see him in a life yeah no no not really at all so these guys brad and lilo like i remember talking with them over kayaking just they're asking us and vice versa and then they learned about finn and they were so excited like oh. My gosh like we would love to meet him. You know naturally everyone. Everyone wants to be then angelo and the little rockstar. I'm glad that it worked out because and it needed to work out because when you take a left or a new route three one thing to keep in mind is you could probably get there from columbia but getting back as a whole nother story yeah much more difficult not doable and the service out there as great as with most national parks. You don't have a great phone service so oh you got to keep keep yeah but you know there's more to do in congress than just paddle while we had a great time with them. We took the the next day. We took the trails trails. Congress has has not a ton of sales and the chelsea do have are not super long. There's not a lotta ovationhair so it's nothing too strenuous. I think mountainous whatsoever ever but no there's only about twenty miles of trails here. They're all really fascinating and impressive. They're like that boardwalk trail which is definitely a highlight year. It's as easy easy like scenic <hes> two and a half mile loop from the henry hampton visitor center yeah harry hampton visitor center and it is really nice. That's a beautiful boardwalk and very accessible for everybody. Regardless of age size like physical ability the fact that it's all just this flat connected loop that takes you through. Some of the most scenic areas of the park is really good. They did a great job with that and also not only is it accessible for every type of human is great for dogs to congress is one of the more dog friendly partially bentiu and it was great for finn being so flat <hes> he didn't get too exhausted no we <hes> took them all. I'm part of the boardwalk with us so we went through some of the woods. We went up on the boardwalk walk. He became the talk of the park when all the kids would walk by him. Now we got a little too exhausted to continue but i remember taking them back a little bit sooner so we can go into the back other trails bright <hes> we wanted to do more and he his such tiny little eggs that he does get tired much quicker erkin. We do for sure and it's good to put them in like a nice cool r._v. Environment where you can have is water and just relax air conditioning and all that funny and that that longer trail that we decided to do that western lake trail <hes> yet to take the boardwalk to get there the views from the boardwalk were amazing especially without the spanish moss the huge trees and all these like little features like the cypress knees <laughter> <hes> which are these like spiky looking things that are jutting out of the earth. They're practically a part of the trees root system yeah and help these giant trees stay firmly planted deep in the ground during the flooding right. They looked so weird they live alien formations and they're putting thing about the ground. Some of them are quite high like a few feet high and they're spread so far out across the land that you would never really think they're connected or part of the root system for these these trees because they're not immediately exit or anything but it's just another thing and other fascinating facts learn here and it's no surprise that these trees are so firmly rooted with all. These cypress knees sprawled out over the the land here. It was just nice because <hes> you know we were there when the flood plain had dried out and we're able to do that trail. It's about four and a half miles through some old growth forest. You know it's along the shore of the cedar creek yeah so that same creek we kayaked the previous day. We're able to see it from a different perspective which was really nice and equally beautiful so at the visitor center arranger told us that this is also a great jail for seeing some of the park's biggest trees and she was wrong. She did not lead us astray and unsurprisingly since this is a massive flood plane after all things got pretty muddy along the way but well you know very worth it and just suck it up. Get a little dirty yeah so much so that we actually lost the trail for a little bit and <hes> we started to wander off and remember when the flood plain kind of covered it and so we had to look for the markings workings on the trees but there was multiple markings styles and i didn't know which one's the following confusing and so like walking off and following footprints and like track and people on and i'm like nope these these are going right back to where we came from and then finally got back and then you know our shoes your money at this point and so i know but it's just kind of funny because it's like it looks it's like a bunch of people got lost right and it did particular point because we were following footsteps like there was lots of kind of meandered off and i look they went right into the thick woods so once. We realized we were going the wrong way. I'm like where do these people go hope. They're okay not like enough or is there actually like under the mud no sorry uh-huh but we found the trail pretty easily you know once we realized this doesn't look right right <hes> but that's part of the adventure right there definitely was and this this trail particular was an inventor trail. It was really fun and clearly dirty so this drill was really hands on and you got to scramble blow over logs and crawl under logs and get very <hes> just like really into it and it was fun. It's not just like a stroll through the woods. You're actually like leaping over things and crawl under things and i wasn't expecting that necessarily but i'm really glad that turned out to be the case. That was really awesome. Awesome my favorite. We don't tell each other what does is and i really wanna hear what your favorite part about. Hungary national park was okay. I think my favorite part was being able to go on that short. Hike within the i in general i love that boardwalk trail and together united the the entire lube but the segment we did with finn was really exciting and he was clearly very excited and just taking it all in seeing these enormous trees that made beat him like like a dot yeah he was a that really wasn't amazing time. I mean love anytime that we get to go on the trails within in <hes> no matter how long or how short a period of time i just love seeing him out in nature and in the excited and like just pulling pulling the leash with so much enthusiasm and it's not often we get to do that in national parks because not all national parks have dog friendly trails. They're kind of a rarity <hes> with a few exceptions this being one of them so as long as you have a leash that six feet or less than dogs are walk him and he did a good job and then we were able to continue on explorer and see other aspects of the boardwalk that went through really amazing areas over these swampy licking terrains and one of my favorite sections of that boardwalk as well to continue this boardwalk obsession is kind of goes out to this edge collect over <hes> broad river and it looked more. It looked very everglades he to me this body of water just kind of i guess it was a river look like a slow moving big broad river with was so thick on the other side that you just couldn't see into that at all just like your <hes> yeah beautiful. I think that my favorite part was <hes> meeting our new friends i mean they <hes> they were just there's a surprise and it was one of those this short times in life where you're you're with somebody for two hours kayaking talking about all the time but <hes> and then getting asked for a ride back to town like that's exactly what i expected when we started this lifestyle of r._v. Living and while that's not something i'd say like don't pick up like hitchhikers and strangers you know at least about some right supervise time with them and the kayak people had their information so just in case. They ended up being mass murderers. We would make it. You know they would find out who they are on. We wouldn't be okay if they turned out to be mass murders. Today's been agreed they. At least they could find out who did it right. Justice would be served a win win for if you want to go and kill me but just make sure you leave a trail right. Oh man please know that honestly probably my favorite part. Is you get to young new people. I love that and that's really stuck with us and make those connections shinzo. Just mike learn about them and what brought them they're going on. I went to roswell new mexico where lila's from which is crazy. I was so excited. She said she was from roswell. Mike i have a thousand questions for you right and i was just like hey we're in rozelle hopewell's good in reno. We cuts bays and like check in and you know <hes> mhm. That's that's the part of <hes> the r._v. Living that it truly love is just meeting. Everybody no matter how crazy quirky normal weird crazier. We're here the better yeah but that's a true amazing blessing that we get to have his meeting. All these wonderful people yeah marvette i believe so what three things would you bring to congress national park. I'd dog leash for finn and harness because we don't like to. He likes to choke himself off. Just put it around his collar so we have the harness that goes around his legs and his chest doesn't choke himself so i definitely bring that <hes> beyond that i would bring my kayak which i don't have so dream dream kayak you know holidays birthdays whatever <hes> mhm call coming up anniversaries <hes> and i'd probably bring a finnish size life vest because seeing him in a life vest would be really amazing. You'd be like a t rex alpher front legs for swimming and i just can't ridiculous over that yeah i would love to see that uh-huh yeah so the three things i would bring would be bug spray first and foremost oh oh forget that i don't want to be caught <hes> off guard without that and even the the park ranger said don't try to use all natural because it doesn't work uh-huh yeah. She was very blunt and honest which i appreciate because i yeah you need the you need to be properly. <hes> prepared yeah even like we were there and it was <hes> the mosquito meter was really low. I think it was a two or something was mild but even at mild. You're getting bitten by by. They're they're. They're probably around for sure so whatever the mosquito meter says. You need to be like spray down with bug spray the other thing i would bring it'd be. I think it would be beneficial because this is. It's such a birding mecca brooke because again. He loves bird-watching yeah so i'd bring those because i wanna see i wanna get a good luck of the owls woodpeckers. I don't just want to hear them. I wanna be able to see them like you know up close or whatever and then i would also bring shoes you don't mind getting eating muddy because you're inevitably going to dabble in a little bit of mud and there was plenty of parts of that trail that we did where you're either directly in it or you're like me tip toeing across logs through it trying not to fall in trying to be balanced <hes> but yeah don't bring nice shoes. You're dumping your doc martin's numbering nother stuff. You know you need to just be mindful that things are going to get thirty well. I think these are all great things to bring on our dream vacation which we should talk about next time. I really think it'd be ideal to stay somewhere in columbia. You know it's the biggest. The city is not too far away and it's got a lot of great culture and history and us chocolatiers apprising lee great cocktails at that <hes> bourbon bar yeah and that was really good <hes> so the place is called burr. I think it's just called bourbon right so it's very straightforward name. Yeah probably not great for their s._e._o. But those public fantastic memories i don't know for sure but <hes> yeah columbia was really interesting. I wish we spent more time. There would be nice to go back and stay there. Do more things i would love to tour that capitol building. I have this growing obsession with capitol buildings. We'll definitely have to makes him reservations for our pro. Oh in that for sure yeah. That's like my number. One thing when we go back to hungary is do more kayak trips and more hikes and stuff but we have to do an olive oil. I think that's the coolest and most unique ranger ranger program and maybe also speaking of other kayak trips so we did the cedar creek week. I think we can upgrade in do agree river next time so bigger yes longer absolutely oh and then there's that <hes> fifty mile route it goes from columbia all the way down into conkary. We'd have to overnight it. <hes> <hes> you're crazy self would actually probably do one day. I haven't loved that's a great idea and that'd be a win win because we want to do. Both of those things we could. You know start today. Get you get all pumped up on urban a bourbon bar then drift on the river for fifty miles that sounds awesome right and then you definitely have to grab a permit from the visitor's center i though <hes> but talking about an amazing seriously what an adventure bird <music> you're listening to the park lane podcast. My heart radio hosted by brad and matt carroll. We'll be back with martha parkway india pottstown from iheartradio radio. My name is danny shapiro and i'm the host of family secrets podcast about the secrets kept from us secrets. We keep from others and the secrets we keep from ourselves. Family secrets is more than just a podcast audio experience. It's also a community a place for people to share powerful stories of heartbreak healing and hope in season two we hear from a woman whose father's descent into dementia revealed his deepest darkest secrets and we hear from a man who kept his wife's terminal illness a secret to protect their children. Uh listen to season to a family secrets on apple podcasts the iheartradio app or wherever you get your podcasts uh uh <music>. I'm matt and i'm brad. You're listening to the park lane podcast from iheartradio. We've been getting a couple of questions from our listeners here at parkland through our social media media and we want to answer those the first question we have is from shantelle and she asked. Is there a way that you commemorate your national park visits. Do you have patches votto books or stickers. What do you have. Yes me well. I definitely do that a lot. <hes> mainly it's my national parks password book that i'm obsessed us with i i bought mine grand teton national park in two thousand seventeen i think and you can get a any visitor's center in any national park across the country and then also any visitors aren't you can get them stamped for free which i do and then i also always always by or look for stickers for whatever specific national park i'm in and then fill up my password with that as well and i do that so much that i'm definitely running out of room. I had to buy fortunately these password books of extra pages you can buy which i've had to do since as you i bought it to additional national parks have been named yeah that as well so and <hes> one thing that i did is after match trip to the badlands in two thousand sixteen <hes> <hes> he really wanted to be inspired by national parks <hes> and to travel to national parks and so what i actually ended up doing was for christmas i built him that national parks parks wall and so basically as travel to each national park there's two sections to travel and travelled to and as he travels to them we or as we now travel to them we move it from one side to the other but currently those are boxed up and our storage unit because we decided to travel a little bit harder and that's a huge wall. This wall is probably twenty foot by twenty foot <hes> with these framed postcards and different knickknacks we get from different national parks and so we also also by different things so we have <hes> dream catchers from some national parks. We have a bat signs from others. We have a lot of different little knickknack that we pick up up along the way to commemorate those and to remember them by thank you so much for asking we really enjoy this interaction that we get to do with you and we're super excited to continue to engage with you on our facebook group <hes> parkway india rangers or instagram at park land lia pod gafsa reach out to us anytime with questions comments conversations and were more than happy to chat with you and answer your amazing questions so thank you for listening. You've been listening to the park land podcast a show about national parks by iheartradio created by medicare whack brad karaoke and christopher has yoda's produced and edited by mike john's executive produced by christopher has yoda special special things to gabrielle collins krista waters and the rest of the parkway india crew and hey listeners. If you're enjoying the show leave us a review on apple podcast it helps other people like did you find our show. You can keep us on social media checkout photos from our travels on instagram at parkland pod join in the conversation in our facebook group parkway india rangers. Thank you so much for listening. 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Season 3 - Episode 28

They Walk Among Us

42:01 min | 2 years ago

Season 3 - Episode 28

"Support for they walk. Among us is brought to you by ADT ADT can now design and install a smart time. Just for you backed by twenty four seven protection their new small-time is customizable to your lifestyle and make you feel safe or listening to this podcast. For instance, you can say lockup service than ADT were lock your doors closed, the garish door an arm. Your system ADT will set up your home with multiple smart time devices and security features like video doorbells, cameras locks and more. Visit ADT dot com slash podcast to learn how ADT can design and install a secure smart home. Just for you. Welcome to season three episode twenty eight they walk among us put cost dedicated to u k true crime. To keep up to date with news on the podcast. You can follow us on our social media accounts were on Facebook and Instagram, and they walk among us put cast or you can follow us on Twitter at T W A underscore podcast. Listen to cushion is advised. Is this episode contains adult themes and descriptions that some listeners may find distressing. You into the stolen car. Started the engine and left his mother's hyme vehicle. Wasn't the only thing he had stolen concealed under a blanket. In the boot of the car was pump-action. Shotgun answer, my munition taken from his stepfather women in the southeast were not safe. The severity of his crimes escalated fast. It is mother's and stepfather's house in kit Weli southwest. Wiles just washed the eighteen now ready to leave. He was heading east to his home impinge southeast London vehicle. He had chosen was a distinctive car. It was a sporty three door Audi Q pay in the unusual choice of crane became the motorway and stop to Garrett pulling up on a dark roadside. So the forecourt lights wouldn't shine into the car and expose what he was doing. He couldn't wait until he was in the privacy of his own Heim. He walked around to the back of the vehicle remove the shotgun and a hack saw from the boot returned to the driver's seat and began to soar through the barrel removing inches from his length. The shotgun was cumbersome and long to wouldn't have been much use in the small space of a sports car. Now, the gun was much easier to maneuver a close second to a handgun. After a day spent with a boyfriend it was Tonto guy. Heim the noise which roaring in a trip was to be taken in the dock. It was November second nineteen ninety-five deeping Baath in yellow citrine, just after eight pm and sticking mostly to the mites ways on route Hewitt arrive Hyman hot fit sheer before eleven providing the roads were clear in the relative safety of car, and such a direct journey once she had made before there was no reason to think she would not make it back to her three children. A husband died. She was solely responsible for them. Roughly twenty miles into her journey. She hit a slip road allowing her to merge eastbound onto the m four motorway on junction eighteen going towards London. She wasn't the only passing traveling this way full being headlights luminated icon from behind. She could see now day in Rivi Mira from the shadows. The loan driver appeared to be male. He was tailgating her Citron edging close enough to need to break speeding up than again having to come to an abrupt halt before she could decide what to do. The Audi took off driving past the side of her vehicle. She remained driving on the inside lane. Chief -bility driven off with no other cars up ahead. He pulled into her lane. And the break Lloyd snapped on he was slowing down. Then he start. She drew near to the station. Revengeful pulling out into the next line. To overtake in continue driving. A couple of minutes later, the cream car was again in her line of sight getting dangerously close to hub bumper all of a sudden he pulled out getting into the lane beside her and as he did. So she felt the car being shunted forward the Audi then overtook her Citron getting into the same lane before the red brake lights of the vehicle in front appeared. Once again, forcing her to slow down the driver pulled onto the hard shoulder in that split second. She decided to stop to maybe they wanted to share their insurance. Details after hitting her car, she go out and walk towards the Audi but panic hitter she can now see the young man in the driver's seat. Is boy's face was a Todd with his large muscular physique. She had second thoughts turned one hundred ninety degrees on the spot and ran back to her situation before she could get back to a car to drive away the manager jumped from his vehicle and wasn't far behind. You wasn't built. For speed is legs were so muscular he had developed a peculiar gait, regardless. It made it to the vehicle before she could put the key in the ignition and drive away. He swung open the passenger door shouting at the woman to get out. He had a knife was trying to pull her out of the car. She managed to score away attempting to escape but only made it a few steps along the hard shoulder before she felt a hand Pulo backwards forced in a headlock while being dragged towards the outy. She fought a stranger with every ounce of energy, she had punching kicking and shouting. But it was no use. He punched repeatedly in the face the open the passenger side door. And through in the foot swell before she heard the sound of a loud, click doors unlocked. Avoid gently hanker after hands behind her back and brought out the soon of shotgun threatening to kill her. If she continued to find in the front struggle. She had been cut by the knife. She had no other option, but to stay silent. The didn't realize even though she couldn't see outside the brave woman was retaining as much information as she possibly could the direction of travel and speed for what she thought was about two hours meant night remained on the motorway. She guests they were likely in an area of London when the car finally start. They had pulled up in a secluded Alliott. Woodside green in Croydon. Was nineteen by now. Use the shotgun again to full sir to comply. Pope type in the boot and made a get inside the claustrophobic space before it was locked is the sound of his footsteps faded into the distance. She was on our own for twenty minutes. She shouted and kick the boot trying to catch someone's attention. It might little difference. No one could here. He then heard vehicle pull up nearby kidnapper at Lefter in the boot to steal a car a bluest in Montego. You pulled around to the outy when the woman was brutally raped repeatedly. Despite the huge amounts of trauma. She retained some details. She took to mind that her attack drank point of milk disposed of the container in the alley. European league debated with himself whether or not he was going to kill her rationalizing that he was going to get life anyway to use training in social work to try and talk him down. He ROY food through her handbag taking money in reading Scheldt support booklet which had a name and address on the front. the morning lights had finally arrived. She should have been Heim safely. I was a guy. A man led to get dressed. Both of them were now in the Austin Montego. She was in the passenger seat table to look out the window straight after pulling out of the alley. She kept her Risa open for a recognizable landmark she noticed a pug Kuba. Join his arms a white building with Haein baskets decorations that included a wooden wagon wheel eventually the cost stopped. They were at Victoria catch station. You gave us some money Aena portion of what she had in our purse and said you can use this fan money to get home. You wave the Chelsea port booklet in front of her and reminded her not to tell the police. Type thirteenth nineteen ninety-five. Any a few weeks before the disturbing incident on the full motorway? A twenty five year old woman was alone in our car driving along the m one when for fifteen minutes a man in a light colored car had terrorized. Driving dangerously close to her bumper even resorting to spinning his car to a halt to try and stop a vehicle. Luckily, she avoided a collision within or any other motorists on the road. She goes out and ran to a nearby house screaming for help and the police were called. Just three days later. The man could meet his first nine, right? Teenager was waiting for a bus at a stop in Banstead. Nick Roydon the cost lay down and stop assigned to the driver offered to give her a lift she accepted and hoped into the passenger say to the sportscar some point she may have noticed that she wasn't being taken to her destination. Instead, she was driven to the grounds of Epsom racecourse a few miles away the man threatened to screwdriver to a throat and writer did you up to RAF time afterwards, making sure he knew her redress fearing the man could return to anytime. She didn't report it to police until later. Again, just three days after his loss. Crime on October nineteenth nineteen ninety-five a nineteen year old woman left her home in the village of stood Surrey she'd run out of cigarettes. So that's thing poked out to buy some more. It was eleven thirty pm and all the shops were shut she headed to a petrol station along the a four a major road careful to not get too close to the traffic in the dark. She walked beside a low walled. She had no way of knowing a man was lurking on the other side. She walked alongside it. The man grab to in the teenager at knife point. He appeared to be an active for the next couple of weeks until the awful night. He left his parents house with a gun. Jecklin Murray known to family and friends as Jackie was twenty two years old was living and working in London originally from Bradford she started sex work. They're in late teens, but left the area when the Yorkshire ripper Peter Sutcliffe was still at large in the north of England. The high percentage of the women Sutcliffe attack or kill the worked in the red light districts Jacqueline left her hometown for the bright lights of London. And the new starts way from the fed that she could fall victim to the ripper since the voice of the man who claims to be the Ripa was broadcast last night. Specially set-up switchboard did Leeds Halifax Sunlen to being flooded with calls. So in the second major this week to catch the river. Detectives have released Sobel's or one of the flow letters written once again crowds at waited for hours. Some through the night to watch a sucker who arrived from Brixton in the green prison. The court heard how to those who knew him suck livers and unremarkable person. Living in suburban Bradford in a red light district. He picked up his first prostitute to try to see Sony as alleged affair in a different light. But he said I realized what a course involved a person the woman was my hatred for prostitutes. Cliff was cooled Jacqueline Murray. Chose to stay in London. She worked from luxury hotels picking up clients from the lobby or the ball often caught and thrown out. She would then move onto the next hotel. Tonight was one of those nights. It was Monday November four nine thousand nine hundred eighty five having just been jetted from one hotel Jacqueline who went by the name Averell to clients too long Park Lane with her friend Judy hoping to find a new hotel what they could pick up business without being noticed by the security stuff. Is they passed the Grosvenor house hotel at knowing fifty five PM contro buying mating. U-turn little further up the road before heading back towards the. The medium sized saloon car came to a halt of the Cup side and the drive a wound down the window. They briefly discuss business. The man bolt the time of both women, and they go to into the car Jacqueline in the passenger seat duty in the back is the constant the central locking was activated whom I STA mmediately. The man was driving a radically when they were near Hyde Park. He brought out a shotgun. Kunti to Lynn if the repair of Hanko Sutter, untold her to put them on. She refused. The women panicked warranted to get out of the car. Judy us two feet to frantically kick at one of the real windows, successfully smashing the glass into thousands of tiny pieces that scattered along the road as the car was still moving. She got up and lent out the window waving her arms. She shouted for help. The driver turned in his seat and pull the back into the car as he repositioned himself. He pointed the gun at Jacqueline pressed it to a skin and pulled the trigger. Without stopping he drove past marble arch and not long after came to an abrupt stop in north carriage drive. You release the central locking and push Jacqueline Marie out of the car. Judy sees the opportunity to scrapple out of the unlocked door and escape. She hit until you'd gone. Jacqueline Mary died from her wounds. The man committing these horrific crimes near the sing is nine was Joan state. He lived in a small dark apartment in pendulum. It was a spicy shed with his girlfriend. Sharon Bovill, fill a twenty one. She was one year his junior the had been living together in bits around Croydon for the last two years. Sharon was treated brutally. Boy state. The abuse was mental as well. As physical insisted she called him, God, if it upon in court, it was revealed that Sharon was told in detail about the ripe softer he committed them. She said he called and told her about the murder of Jacqueline Murray. She told him she was going back to their flat. But ended up spending the night in the van. She drive for a living. In contrast to his aggression. Joan state lived a restraint lifestyle you didn't drink or smoke. But he did inject on a Bullock steroids was fixated with -taining what he believed was the perfect body. He devout protein sometimes consuming a couple of pounds of me ten six eggs in one meal and spent hours lifting weights at the gym Clinton would playing dirty Harry was a character. I delighted so obsessed with Eastwood it was reported. He wants tried to hypnotize himself into thinking he was dirty, Harry when they didn't work a friend said he obtained a gun illegally under the party trick went up to people. He knew pulling the trigger on the empty gun. Steed, followed zen Buddhism, but was selected with the parts he took on board. He had time to pursue these interests as he was a self employed mechanic with. Little work coming his way. He picked up an interesting cars from his father who was also a mechanic, the work near where John Steed, right? The woman he abducted on the m full motorway the coding to Steed has charted was turbulent at five. He witnessed his father rape, his mother at their home and domestic violence was a regular occurrence eventually parents separated and live with his mother money was scarce, and she attempted suicide three times Steed was alone. Who was caught in his early teens stealing cars nefence that he would repeat along with charges for actual bodily home possessing offensive weapons and indecent exposure in total he appeared in court sixteen times when he was doing a stint in prison at seventeen he said is Gil friend visited him and told him she had cheated on him with another man stayed later told police only had a. A bird once that I loved was good to her. I'm convinced. They don't want to be treated nice. The more horribly want more. They like it. This made me feel the what women want is not to be treated with respect. And can they want to be treated like shit? They seem to like it. Detective later said of state is take Hewlett intelligent and good looking on the face of it seem to have a lot going for. But he is absolutely evil. The police officers simply said he was the best looking guy I ever saw. The looks that he worked so hard on initially help state attract women, but his personality off tonight deterrent, the manager of the Jim Jim Steed attended said. Some of the gills felt very uncomfortable with him. Here seem to feel the two women were bitten failure. His mother Sheila stated he could never have any human relationships, even as a toddler. He couldn't be cuddled. You would never let anyone Cutler. She said that his father would beat him until sun, which show contempt for everyone. She didn't think he was interested in goes was preoccupied with his looks and physique. Support for they will come on these brought to you by ADT ADT can now design and install a smart time. Just for you backed by twenty four seven protection, then new small-time is customizable to your lifestyle and make you feel safe or listening to this podcast. For instance, you can say lockup service and ADT were lock your doors closed, the guarantor an arm. Your system ADT will set up your home with multiple smart devices and security features like video doorbells, cameras locks and more. Visit ADT dot com slash podcast to learn how ADT can design and install secure smart home. Just for you. Victoria, coach station before most people had risen for that day. The horrific nine our audio was Ivor she was alive, but in a bad why captors parting words threatened her not to tell the police she summoned help when she arrived at the hospital. It was discovered. Her injuries were so horrific they could have been fatal a newspaper reported. She was pregnant, but she miscarried after the attack. He relayed all the information. She could to police he mentioned seeing pub Kuba join zones just after she was driven away from the site where she was attacked that was six join his own in and around London at the time after a detailed investigation offices finally discovered. The correct one with the wooden wagon wheel decoration and hanging baskets. Survivor of the attack accompanied them and started to tremble when the car she was in pulled up outside from her reaction on description. Detectives knew they had the right place opponent finding the pub this quickly led them to the crime scene. They scoured the area for milk container. The perpetrator drank from before he despised of it. The police praised the survivors, memory and courage throughout the deal. Inspect to Fethi said he had great presence of mind an alert terrified she knew. She had to talk to stay alive. He'll say use the time together evidence. She's highly intelligent with a phenomenal memory in. Great courage finished by saying I have nothing Batat Marais for her. Operation Joyner was set up consisting of team of twenty six members of the metropolitan police force. They felt there was significant similarities in the attacks to link them together, they work closely with the wheelchair in Thames Valley. Police forces on the team were early to employ the use of computers in the investigation. Details of the crimes were fed into the police national computer alot Kalim national database used by law enforcement. There were a number of similarities provided by the victims. When describing the assailant is age range fell between twenty to thirty is build. Muscular medium to heavy set is Mansi Brown, and this clothing the same. Every time a fairly generic count fit of a casual leather jacket, and jeans to the cases invoked constraining with handcuffs. Three weapons were mentioned throughout screwdriver a knife. Under sewn of shotgun. Most of the women described a cream or light colored car but detectives rule so looking for doc MG moisture parallels drawn between his accent speech. The words he shows undies gates when he walked it became clear that the crimes were my certainly linked and a confidential hotline was set up the teenage girl, he was dumped it from Banstead found the courage to cool the number which was connected to an incident room in Croydon of the women that came forward reach given twenty four hour police protection at the safehouse. Jim stated gone out of his way to let them know. He knew where they lived. And it was reported. They received threatening phone calls before they will put tons of the protection of the police the Kula had worn the not to go to the authorities or he would quote, get even it was entirely possible. He could turn up their Himes, especially since one of the victims reported that Jim. Steed acted as if it was a consensual hookup when he dropped her off at her house. He suggested that they need for six again. The public was warned not to approach if they saw remained matching his description. He was on. The NextRadio dangerous chief superintendent Mike punches spoke about the murder of Jacqueline Murray said isn't absolutely ruthless attack. You pull the trigger of a soon of shotgun at point blank range that can never be any justification for having a gun like that. June. Steeds name was beginning to get noticed by police a cool came in from an ex girlfriend of states. She said she was greeted by him waiting outside our house one day, and he was driving a light colored out. You poor position to six and then left avoid to piece of evidence found at the scene. The moat container at his fingerprints on it, John. Steed hadn't gone on the run. He had left his home hoping to lay low until the urgency to catch him taken a back seat. You would rear is head not far away in Sydenham southeast London Takhar show. Looking for a brand new vehicle. He abandoned his usual method of stealing one and changing the license plate the show room. Steed us to test drive Renai salesman, accompanied the customer but was threatened with weapon and forcefully. Push. From the con-. Joan stay left in the Renai. The police will called officers visited his basement flats on Croydon road in pendulum both John Steed. Sharon Bovill had vacated a week before leaving the flat sparsely. Furnished Sharon had returned to parents home in Croydon when police arrived. They would then told she had left two days earlier to get away. Assists. Shirley said she is obviously upset she is going away for a few days to recover. Detectives believe Jim state was still in corden so unmarked police caused true the streets back alleys looking for the stolen car. The perseverance paid off when they located the Reynaud on the seventh floor car park, the Fairfield holes in Croydon, they didn't know if the car had been abandoned their will the suspect was returning. They staked out the car. We don't police on stunt. But about two hours later a man with a distinctive gait matching steeds description walked to the car, you go in the sound of Accardo shutting an engine revving echoed in the concrete Comstock become pulled out of its parking spot wouldn't get much further than the exit. It was blocked in vehicle surrounded. Steed was arrested without incident. John Steed was remanded in custody for three days and on November thirteenth nineteen ninety-five. At Bow Street magistrates court, he was charged with the murder of Jacqueline Murray, rape and theft that the time Steed and the women. He rates were not named in the press under the sexual offenses amendment act of nineteen seventy six with enforced anonymity for rape complainants and defendants lay to the animated for right? Defendants was repealed. Jacqueline Murray's parents briefly spoke to the press five days off that daughter's murder along with their twin teenage door to Susan an end, they arrived timing Bradford. After assisting Scotland Yard, Patrick and Mary Murray originally from oil and wanted to set matters straight had been reported in the press particularly report from the previous day. The article said the family had lived in Bradford for three years. The Murray said they'd been there for thirty. The suggestion was Susan and when not employed Patrick Murray made it clear that the twins were both in full time employment. A neighbor had been quite the same. We Jackie work to way. But we didn't really know what she did for a living. The anything we have noticed was old men cooling the house that was when a parent's visiting people in Australia for six weeks earlier this year, the Murray said the strange men were actually friends and family members checking in on the house. As they were brought for so long. Colleague of Patrick Murray's, the taxi company where he worked also spoke to a report of the day. After Jacqueline Murray was identified. He said Patrick got a telephone call from his wife loss night asking him to go. Hi marginally. You never mentioned his family at work. He's such an ice Blake. This devastate him. list for the Croydon in post and associated papers found himself in hot water when he left metropolitan police foles relating to the June. Steed case in the bar of a hotel UPN core during April nineteen Ninety-seven. He was accused of knowingly breaching the official secrets act is defense counsel said there was no evidence that he's client had been given the documents in contravention of the act, and the journalist was also not aware the falls were covered by the judge said one of the curiosities by the official secrets act requires the prosecution to prove that information was communicated to the defendant in contravention of the act to his knowledge. Therefore, the prosecution must prove that the defendant have knowledge of the law, this they have not done said the prosecution must come to an end. However, the judge refused to reimburse the journalists employers stating that spent that money about their business. He ring at the Old Bailey on November fifth. Nineteen Ninety-six Joan Steed pleaded not guilty to the murder of Jacqueline Murray. Instead, he put forward a guilty plea of manslaughter on the grounds diminished responsibility. He claimed the steroids t abused partly responsible for him carrying out. The ax is defense counsel said steroids tree of his behavior. They turned him into a violent man with an insatiable sexual appetite the defense by of steeds traumatic sheltered and witnessing the rape of his mother's shaped his actions the fence counsel. Robert flack, presented one of the most intelligent and chilling profiles of a psychopath. That has ever been heard within the walls of an Old Bailey courtroom. Jon Allen Steed emerged as a psychopathic adult from Meyer of emotional. Deprivation and inadequacy Mr. flack said one asks where it all starts the story that ends in death in Park Lane. What causes? Man to become a psychopath. Mr. fach said he was a man is seeking mind. As victim of cancer is sick in body. He emerged believing the more horrible. He was the more women liked it. He felt power elation. He felt god-like. He was now the, hyper manic psychopath and the violence inside him was triggered when he began to take steroids and inject himself with drugs. He wanted to be a real life JAMES BOND. Cool charming machine capable of anything. John Steed was charged with three counts of right, and one charge of acting woman with intent to have sexual intercourse with. All four of the charges. He admitted his guilt. In addition charges for theft of numerous 'cause were added along with the fifth of the shotgun from his stepfather collection of weapons found in Jones states possession and amongst his belongings was shown to the court one shotgun the murder weapon. One pistol a pair of handcuffs three knives that will might for hunting and to Flathead screwdrivers. Details of the crime will read aloud as Joan state such emotion pile throughout the proceedings he's killed French Sharon, both Ville, wet. She liked to talk to the stunned that was questioned about a home life with Jim state an intimate details of their relationship. She told the cool that he confessed her what he had done. The woman that Steve abducted on the m full Motoo way was referred to as Missy Ontario annuity continued to be protected. Dope to the treated her in hospital testified this woman has been subjected to almost fight to violent assault in my thirty years experience. I have rarely seen such an attack where the victim has survived prosecuting. Alan green told the court the Steed had been assessed by three so contrast three concurred he had a psychopathic disorder to a working on behalf of the defense. One for the crown you his condition. They came to the conclusion that it substantially impaired his mental responsibility for the killing. Alan green said they also agreed that should be no medical disposal. There is not a question of a hospital order, but in prisonment instead you went onto explain how thoroughly steeds plea was considered. He said it was discussed the highest level with staff, the director of public prosecutions and the police the judge. Jones Miskin accepted states less plea of manslaughter. This particularly fended rector have over some week period last year. And as a judge said, he reduced women to stock Tara indeed very highly dangerous individual the court heard the catalog of violence against three. We mean all raped one only four feet eleven inches tall all underwent the humiliation of St. presenting a black soliloquy on whether he should kill them. We're not Steed was holding a knife in one hand and a gun in the other third victims of thirty nine. June. Steed was back in court to be sentenced five days later. The judge wrist eat said you represent such a danger to the public especially to women have no hesitation in giving you life sentences for each rape. And for the manslaughter until the four life sentences. Steed was given twenty years for the other offenses. So the cool Detective Inspector Fethi spoke of the brave actions of the force of over said, though, she was absolutely terrified. She kept him in conversation long enough to collect evidence, which was useful. And ended with the successful conclusion of the case police come on the algae on Hemingway also gave a statement by count complementary actions to highly indeed, she's a professional woman, she acted with restraint with Kuhn's presence under very verse conditions, and indeed it was only by her alertness that obviously prevented her falling victim and could have been. Police on rule explained. Why Sharon by Ville was not charged for having knowledge of Joan steeds crimes her evidence was so important. She was used as a prosecution witness, but you must bear in mind. She was no different from other women because she herself was facing star. Tara. Because she knew. That she could spill the beans if she was able but it was too dangerous. So where are we now? Jim Steed was locked up, and as the survivors of his brutality could not be named the focus turned to Sharon by Bill. She chose to stunned by state saying he wanted to marry him. She sold an exclusive interview about her relationship which included details of their sex life to the now defunct newspaper, the news of the world of the papers voice their outrage after the article was published one said is Gil French Sharon Bovill could have stoked him because he took some pleasure in describing to her what he was doing. She could have tipped off the police in. So sped other women from being subjected to a pooling and degrading ordeals referring to Bovill in the tabloids. It went on to say, she poses Lucca glam ago. The blown Sharon tells how she willingly submitted to states perverted practices from from facing any prosecution. She's now, my certainly cashing in on his infamy and complicity. Of the newspapers took a more sympathetic viewpoint towards Sharon Bovill in alignment with the police statements. Jim Steed was told in nineteen ninety seven his life sentence would mean life. You would have to spend the rest of his days behind bars. He tried to commit suicide by way of an overdose is attempt fight. On Sunday July thirteenth nineteen ninety seven. He tried again in his cell full Sutton prison June. Stay tore up the sheets from his bed loop them around his neck and hung himself. Every year lighter in November nineteen ninety eight. An inquest was held at holes Corrina, cooled Joan states mother was in attendance in Croix throughout the proceedings. The inquest heard Steed used the balls on his cell window as an anchor Joyce zone as a medical officer the prison recalled the in might telling him that it was his duty as a Buddhist to escape. Hell verdict was reached Joan state taken his own life. Thank you for listening and special things to patriot supporters for more information, please visit they walk among us put cast dot com.

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The Good and the Badlands National Park

Parklandia

33:39 min | 1 year ago

The Good and the Badlands National Park

"Ever since we sold our loft in chicago and started living in an r._v. full time. It's always good to find things that really make us feel at home. Wherever we are that's so true and so important. I remember really getting into gold real beauty when we're in chicago and we just enjoy it on our rooftop. Dak on those precious few summer nights we had in chicago it just so refreshing and just goes with everything especially at sunset with ice cold gold p t the comforts of home are never far away. You can find your favorite gold peak tea flavor at any retailer near you yeah. That's very true. Gold pierro t the tastes that brings you home very warning to our listeners because anytime i reminisced about badlands national park. I tend to get super emotional. That's so true. I mean it's really your happy place. <hes> or we'd be place really definitely holds a special official pace in my heart. I truly love how much you love. It and i actually love the badlands as well. I mean it's definitely that special place yeah yeah. It really is when i first came here in two thousand sixteen. It was part of this week long trip through western south dakota into a bunch of different places not just badlands but in general and in general i was totally smitten with that state by the way like blue max pitching out of the water and i love every part of it but the badlands in particular were next next level. I loved them yeah. This was the first one that you <hes> i national park that you went to as an adult yeah. That's right as a kid. I think i went to alike grand canyons. I on maybe bryce maybe <hes> it was part of this like long family road trip in an r._v. Fittingly enough a little bit of foreshadowing battling. Perhaps i went years and years without going to any national parks or really appreciating them at all so when i did go to badlands i remember remember this abrupt sweeping of an admiration. It's a really amazing and powerful park. Yeah it really really is and when we first arrived a badlands back in two thousand sixteen and when i say we i mean me and the people in this trip we drove into what's it's called the pinnacles overlooked for sunset and i was instantly hooked everything was like absurdly picturesque and i wasn't just hooked on balance but i felt hudson national parks in general kind of right away and this place was basically the first domino to fall that would go on to create this intense passion for me mm-hmm and ultimately in a way kind of pave the way for park land lia so naturally works cited badlands national park. I am mac and i'm brad. This is park land repacked up our loft in chicago moved into an r._v. with thin and now we're traveling the country fulltime visiting america's national parks. Thanks for listening history so as with south dakota in general the badlands are totally unassuming and early mind-blowing. I just couldn't believe it. I remember when i first went to south dakota coda. I didn't know what was thought. It will be kind of flat prairie <hes> kind of just mid western. You know what i'm used to seeing in like suburban world annoy but i honestly would have zero idea that something like this would exist here something otherworldly as the badlands because the the way that i describe this place the people the badlands feels to me kind of like park grand canyon part mars yeah totally like another another planet i mean with all these like craggy beauts inspires and pinnacles the coolest thing is how they all seem to emerge abruptly from this grassy prairies like driving along and r._v. along the road and all of a sudden surrounded by those alien looking formations and you know what these formations kind of always reminded me of they look blake. Did you make these sandy drippy mud castles at the beach. Ever you know yes yeah. They kind of look like that but like gigantic and much more firm so i think there's this sense of whimsey to them. They kind of look dr susan to who dr suzy are like how you said that and that's really fun place to describe because it's kind of our other worldly cartoon all at once i it's that kind of place geology yeah i think it's fitting to talk about the history and the geology of the badlands just how the the lay of the land happens with the formations for this incredible edible park absolutely i feel like i get happily teach a whole semester on this park honestly especially with how much raved about it to everyone i come in contact with ever since sense but i can try a little down here to jolson episode and that's going to be a struggle for me to stood can contain myself because i could just ramble on and on and on with pure enthusiasm <hes> right. I know i'm like especially when you go back to like the first recorded human interactions your back like eleven thousand years ago. I mean that's when the native americans tried to hung here <hes> century later the like lakota tribes named this area moco sicko which means land bad because as of how harsh the environment was but being able to track it back that far is the rainfall thing right right. It's yeah very cool and i mean if i was living someplace notorious for extreme extreme weather in barren terrain and lock water. I'm sure i would also give it about name to even though they're so beautiful on their fascinating i mean the badlands are actually made by layers of sediment and clay which slowly compacted together for millions of years right and through various evolving environments the sediment deposits took on different shapes and sizes and like when this part of south dakota was once tropical see if hard to imagine but it's true or at another point in in time this was a dense forest so this has been a steadily evolving slowly changing terrain for much longer than we've been around exploring national national parts. That's for sure so they're even some of volcanic eruptions to the west that added some aspects. We have all these varying components over time that have contributed the badlands become today. Yeah i mean it's really neat because you have those different layers of sediment in the badlands and they're all slightly different colors and they're surprisingly even and right yeah. They are really even the station's like a giant jagged layer cake kenneth or i and i guess case the prairie grass would be like the frosting. I don't like metaphors that make me hungry so distract. I know i'm sorry i have a huge three to soy in after her pretty much everything various desserts even even when it doesn't fit in case you were wondering the badlands got so jagged and sharp they actually happened somewhat recently right and by recent we mean five hundred thousand years ago when rivers and streams flow through from the black hills and began carving these formations the sediment that makes the badlands is really malleable and soft soft in comparison to most other rock so it's still changing shape today and in another five hundred thousand years from now this might look totally different or nonexistent and i'm personally very glad i'm not gonna live to be five hundred thousand years old because i do not wanna live at a time when the badlands don't exist but you have to stay tuned tune for millions season to find out well the native americans were not the first inhabitants here either though back when this was all changing and taking shape there were prehistoric animals and dinosaurs like these little three toed horses creature things and even like ancient alligator <hes> yeah why alligators everywhere everywhere. I feel like they follow us. We saw this giant alligator. Fossils petrified forest remember that like r._v. Alligators and then actual present present day alligators at everglades. They're just everywhere. I mean they were even in chicago. I mean come on. It's crazy alligators living in this space though much like chicago ugh oh but <hes> especially since it's mostly like bison and prairie dogs and bighorn sheep now ray right fortunately we didn't see any living alligators here yeah but another animal that we didn't see but could have seen is the black footed ferret which was actually one such extinct and is currently one of the most endangered the animals in the world so that's an amazing success story and comebacks three and obviously much less scary than alligators thankfully so that after mother nature was done sculpting the smashed the government got wise to the fact that this special place deserves protection who was the first designated as a national monument in nineteen nineteen thirty nine and then it was upgraded to a national park in nineteen seventy eight yep well deserved. It's got almost two hundred fifty thousand acres of land including some of the largest mixed grass prairie remaining in america. The cool thing is out the national park service actually co manages the south unit portion of the park with with the oglala lakota tribe as they shed these need of people's. No these lands better than anybody. What i love. Is that like in the midst of all this as farmers. There's remarketing to south dakota from europe. The state's department of agriculture was publishing ads calling the badlands. The wonderland's love it. Yeah it's definitely a fun little spin and much less ominous name than badlands of course especially if you're trying to attract farmers to your region although it definitely it sounds quirky bar gam than an arid wasteland yeah fortunately for us and for the visitors and lovers of national parks a home setting in the area never really took off so because the climate is really just to arch yeah. You can't no matter what cute naming come up for it. It's not going to change the climate. That's for sure but again that's that's great because it keeps us place preserve served him pristine and even though it might not be alert for farmers. It's definitely a mecca for fans of wildlife and fossils and geology like us and hiking. Oh of course like especially hiking. You're listening to the park. Lane podcast from iheart radio hosted by brad and matt karaoke. We'll be back with more of the park india podcast from iheartradio winter off all day hiking in the mountains one of our favorite national parks. I tend to have these kind of weird lunchtime. Obsessions like tuna salad which i pack everywhere where i go seemingly obsession but you have other obsessions that aren't weird yeah no not at all like ice cold gold peak tea which actually makes perfect sense yes because they're perfectly crafted with ingredients like pure filtered water mountain grown tea and just the right balance of sweetness. It's the real taste that really just makes you feel at home so good so refreshing remember when you're walking into everglades with all the alligators and crocodiles yes. I definitely do that was a fun adventure of a day day. I felt that you were like snapping at us jumping at us and so we had to keep on cocking faster to get away and you know we just got really hot and tired yeah. It was definitely hot. It was really sunny. I'm still sunburned from that day probably paddled so fast and got so hot that the most enjoyable part was grabbing that ice cold gold peak real brew t yeah brought the comfort of home and happiness right back into my heart. Oh sam it's the best medicine for a somber and let me tell you you can find your favorite gold peak flavor at a retailer near you or from our fridge because we're always fully stocked and we have more than enough to go around gold peak real t the tastes that brings you home trails hi. I'm matt and i'm brad. This is park lane and we're talking about the badlands. Even this place babylon's doesn't have a ton of hiking trails and not many channels that are really long either so not as has kind of never ending some the larger mass of national parks. It's just it's mostly just these expansive immersive overlooks and a handful of intensive trails else along the way and they're all incredible and just have the best the best views and experiences here. Yeah i remember you mentioned a little bit earlier about the pinnacles articles overlook and it's amazing because that's the first thing you saw for sunset and i just think it's fitting full circle that that was also the first place that we we stop when we visited badlands together with her friend kendall from chicago yeah. That's i think a lot of that has to do with the fact that pinnacles is the first or bulgaria you you see when you're driving into the park from wall drug heading south off. I ninety and we'll talk more about wall jerk later though yes we will. There's there's no glossing over that place. Is that deserve this done segment for sure so we we were driving our into the parking pullover pinnacles and right away strikes you at the sprawling see of beauts and canyons canyons and prairies and pinnacles. Oh my yeah see i. I feel like for me like i've been telling you about this for like three years. I'm like you. You have to see it to believe it. I didn't get until i finally went yeah. I know it really just like sucker. Punches you with these views and takes your breath away and i i love how inviting these overlooks are too. They're not just these simple. Railings and pullovers side of the road badlands is the kind of park really invites adventure exploration and these are overlaps have these little trails that take you up close to the edge from our dramatic angles and views yeah but you gotta be careful especially after a recent rain when the ground is slippery sorry there aren't so many railings so it could be easy to fall down. I mean this is one of those rare parks where visitors are able to hike pretty much anywhere. You're off trail yeah which is kind of bizarre and wonderful. I guess they're really just pretty trusting that people aren't going to stumble death here or step on the rails right yeah yeah we saw plenty of rattlesnake warning signs all over the place here. That was a little unnerving. Thankfully we didn't see any. I actually walked on top of the one of those narrow beauts foods and sat down for a bit just to like drink it all in who was so amazing but i had to be very careful because it's a little crumbly right right and he's like narrow precipices and i actually i got some really artistic photos of us so it was well worth the risk. Are you hiding from me. I don't think you've <hes> given those have that's rude. I might say for answering post later. Oh there we go that makes more sense but you know when we drove farther into the park to the cedar pass lodge and the ben rifle visitor's center. I mean you just got to see so much that drives amazing in and of itself. Even if you're not pulling over constantly at every overlook you're seeing so much and driving in between his beauts inspires in in more of these pinnacles absolutely love it and so once we got to this eater past lives we got lunch year to feel up before a little bit of hiking just zero essentials like indian tacos and salads with huckleberry dressing which by the way i could totally drink that dressing like gatorade so that's not gross. That's doc wrestling later. Practice lifted up off the plato's so good now wait a second now for our listeners. We need to know what an in tacos are. Let me tell you there. Our tacos where i mean talk is kind of a stretch there any indian fiber at instead of tortillas so basically the savory fried dough so <hes> it's delicious obviously it almost looks like an elephant ear state fair right so very difficult to eat in a traditional taco form you it's hard to kind of wrap it up in your hand like it's mostly knife and fork style taco and it's layered with it it varies but i think the traditional things like ground beef of some sort right and then like shredded lettuce tomatoes. He'll be sour cream tacos. He's mellon maybe some black beans yeah and they're so good and considering in the native american history here and the presence of the lakota tribe like indian tacos are prevalent and have been a staple food item for for <unk> while and that's the case in a lot of this part of the country like the dakotas wyoming montana and they're so good i mean i went down to new mexico. Go real hard to hard to avoid them or so hard to say no to them. They're delicious museum yeah. The visitors center is really great too. I mean it was so informative had this like nice museum tons of fossil information and insight into the animals and the dinosaurs that once lived here right. I mean they did a really good job. At that and you got to see how intimidating these animals were like some surprisingly graphic displays they had in this museum ziems showing some carnivorous giant pig like animal biting some sort of ever before that was like stuck in the mud it was it was a lot. I'm much too delicate to be things such things but i appreciate the education now by how good too now that i ll always love going into visitor centers in the museums they have because you get to see all the grotesque stuff you do and they don't hold back apparently no they definitely don't but <hes> just on the road from there we went on the notch trail head <hes> another area korea that you visit on your own a few years ago yeah i was basically retracing my exact steps and recreating that trip with you. This is like what this is all about pure nostalgia when you're so sweet sentimental time in the badlands and but it also like i want to do it because the trail is genuinely really fun too and super unique so it's like i would happily do that again and again and again in this whole area is very hands on an adventurous water climbing lot of scampering yeah i mean i as we walk to the end of the boardwalk to the little window trail head. It was really nice short easy. I mean literally like ten steps. If i know so that's i can't even believe they call it a trail. It's just like a few steps in your car and then you're like this. They call it a window because it's like this frame shaped structure not structured like this pinnacle this rocky pinnacle that kind of looks like part of a window frame yeah the really steep and sharp pinnacles. I mean it's worth it like. Don't get me wrong here but yeah it's not a trail not so much ago but it was really cool to go out to this area and be able to climb up into the badlands here and got some amazing views and amazing photos it just like kind of speaks nice to how hands on and inviting the badlands are and how that kinda helps remove some the intimidation to a little. I don't know on edge or whatever but absolutely absolutely you can. There's plenty of people there was little kids. Just like scurrying up these rocky walls and oliver the places great and then we helped ourselves we climbed up there too and and it was really really fun and then for from here we continued onto the notch trail which is also pretty sure in mostly easy <music> aside from the fact that it was scorching hot a day and blazingly sunny jeeves yeah you definitely need like sunglasses and sun sunscreen. I mean those are essentials timing. Get so bright here and it just reflects off the ground almost like snow like it has that snow effect where the the sun is hitting you directly and then also kind of reflecting office light <hes> like rock and it's like an u._w. So you definitely sunglasses is because it's blindingly bright and also just like all the sunscreen like s._p._f. Fifty yeah right yeah so the best part of the notch trail. I think the most interesting part of the notch trail is this wooden ladder that you climb up and of halfway through it takes you up to the top of byu negara's you about level which is gonna wind you out to the very end of the trail. We actually though decided to go around the ladder and find her own way. This time there was a traffic jam from scared aired climbers those little coming down and he was like crying as he took each step down and it was like and it took like five minutes between huge stop yeah. It would waited there for an hour so i'm just we all just said okay. Let's go off trail and climb up and it was fun. I'm actually kind of glad that happened. Um yeah because we got. I love climbing maker on yeah. That kid reminded me of do member in <hes> the first drastic park movie when the little kid timmy is like on the electric fence but it's not electric yet and they're climbing over a and then he gets like paralyzed with fear and he's got there and then kim jump yep but he refuses to that's kind of like but this kid was like he was so scared. Fortunately he didn't get electrocuted at any point but yeah it's like you. Make make you know same idea yeah so we went around that and then once you're like up there on this like upper butte area <hes> you're walking out to get this overlook by the southern end of the park yeah the view. There was quite different. I mean a lot of like tall green trees and then laprairie laprairie right because you're hung up on the edge of the badlands here so instead of being surrounded by more pinnacles inspires you have this like panoramic view you of these trees and the like mostly five perry which is so stunning and really cool to see that from that perspective um uh-huh well. We're all sweating way too much. I mean we had to hurry back to v to get all the sun was very very hot. I think we stay out there for like two minutes. Then we're like okay turn around go. Normally we try to stay at the end for awhile and just eden or just like nope screw it done seriously now lingering food so another important thing to talk about with badlands is wall drug. Mike we mentioned earlier in other places. I visited in two thousand sixteen thirteen as part of that trip and another place that i absolutely needed to return to this is like one of those like weirdest like funnest places over ben like there's these vintage like billboards all along the highway for miles and miles leading up to it yeah. It's it's crazy and wall really lives up to the hype. I gotta say it's this kitschy wonderland for sure. That's not really a town mostly a large roadside attraction. I mean <hes> the whole street is lined end up with like old timey cafes loons shops museums and other attractions yeah totally this is the one place where you can drink a beer visit a chapel sit on giant jack lope and watch animal trying t-rex all in the same place so you pretty much get the gist. I think that summarizes what you're the type of place you're visiting here yeah. There's is a lot like i thought it was going to be like the small store that just had a lot of signs everywhere but it it's okay right and there's so much history there too. There is a lot of history it was was established nineteen thirty one as initially the super simple roadside stop outside the badlands kinda capitalizing on the park's popularity in visitor ship and and wall drug was advertising things like free ice water shopping dining for visitors things caught on and now wall dry gets about one million annual visitors which is basil the same as badlands and that makes sense because apparently nearly everybody who visits badlands goes to wall drugs like weeded yeah as a name suggested started as is <hes> drugstore owned by ted and dorothy who said times are tough at first just like any business getting up here but they struggled to attract customers but they started advertising isn't that free water signs on the road and it worked like magic and i can see why i mean member even really hiking and it was like hot as the sun and beating i would happily go to a place that's advertising free ice water genius like they they were so smart to do a simple sign like that to draw those because and it absolutely worked and then over the years they added more and more roadside stein's throughout the state and beyond really we saw these signs like in wyoming i think an ice autumn in north dakota two so they're pretty widespread and a ten attention to continue to grow in the who said conventionally added more amenities and services like native american goods cowboy boots coffee full service dining and doughnuts yeah there especially especially known for those donuts as they should be there so good delicious fresh cake sal doughnuts. I think my favorite is the maple frosted. One is that because i worked for burton's maplewood farm yeah yeah i always seek out maple favorite things to eat because it makes me feel supportive of you thank you. I really appreciate appreciate that you know <hes> but you're welcome i enough about maple syrup and doughnuts and while drugs because we've reached that part of the episode where we get to share our favorite reports about badlands national park. Yes indeed i'm. I'm sure i'm going to have an emotional time here but <hes> there's plenty to talk about a lot of contenders with her favorite things so brad. What was your favorite part of the badlands. I'll tell you right after this short break ever since we sold our loft in chicago and started living in an r._v. Full time it's always good to find things that really make us feel at home. Wherever we are so true and so important i remember really getting into gold peak real brew tea when we're in chicago and we would just enjoy it on our rooftop dak on those precious few summer nights that we had in chicago just so refreshing and just goes with everything especially especially at sunset with ice cold gold peak real bruce t the comforts of home are never far away. You can find your favorite gold peak tea flavor at any retailer near you yeah yeah. That's very true. Gold peak rogue i._t. The tastes that brings your home my favorite. I am matt and i'm brad. This is park land and today's episode is about badlands national park in south dakota recurrently wrapping things up sharing with each other our favorite parts of the badlands and i'm excited to tell you my favorite part was kendall coming along and being on this journey with us as my first time going <hes> and that's not just because he actually drove for five hours on the way back. Which was the first five hours i've ever been in the back of a car the r._v. I mean what a nice handwriting. It's been that was phenomenal. So that was definitely my favorite part was just having kendall along more than just driving like having these experiences and <hes> even though we were exhausted from doing all the rodeos before that <hes> i was really excited to to have candle along and to to share this as we travelled altogether lovely. Are you going to ask me on my favorite part. Was i was thinking about it. Okay <hes> what was your our favorite part. I think my favorite part. I is seeing sunset and sunrise badlands when i was here in two thousand sixteen gene. It's the most incredible place to see. Both of those. There are just unbelievably beautiful and i think probably only sunrise was my favorite. I remember waking up super early like ridiculously early and it was so cold and really dark and we went out to for this like just parking area. I don't even know where we were. It was dark and then i was very undressed. I was wearing shorts or something. Everybody in the group who kept asking me like are you okay. Are you gonna be alright. I'm like i don't know honestly i gotta get to wall drug and get myself sweater yeah right and and we waited out there for the to kind of into its way up and as the did just cast this like orange pink glow or these jagged craggy spires that look facing sort of sandy mud castle at the beach and it's the most incredible experience ever and then thankfully things also warmed up because i was freezing and i got to explore in kind of wander out into this like craggy terrain as sunlight draped over it and it really was a special so experience and something that stuck with me and probably made me fall mostly in love with badlands so now absolute sense that i would love love to see those views. I know yeah but i also like to sleep end so it's hard to balance that out. I guess all right. You know the one thing like i don't. I think there's a lot of things i would bring to badlands national park. I mean i just bring some water my camera water and you know friends. I mean it. It's really as simple as that. Badlands to me was just about being there and experiencing it. <hes> there's just i would bring i would bring definitely some serious on glasses or like a whole helmet or something because the sun is so intense there are your especially if you're visiting during the summer months or anytime worth like signing it all and i would also well. You're touching back to the sunrise thing. I would bring layers because it's not fun to be underprepared. It's better to be oprah who've haired especially when it comes to retire fire and i felt like an idiot being out there before sunrise wearing shorts and t shirt all i remember when everyone else is literally wearing coats so i'm like <hes> i didn't do this right so i would do that and then also i would bring an appetite to go to wall drug and eat all the donuts and then drink all the ice water her and all the coffee. The coffee by the way is five cents. They advertise that too. That's been a big thing five coffee yeah. I'm used to spending like four dollars at starbucks so he nick nice nice deal. I don't know if it's a deal. I feel like i'm getting a treat. <hes> no absolutely and you know what what. What do you think our dream vacation would be like. You start this off and we'll build onto it. <hes> my dream vacation. I think i would love to stay at one of the places all drug they have a couple the little inns and hotels and it's just so convenient and close to the park that it's very easy and doable and to stay there and be able to visit that some of the saloons and we didn't do that this time but they have some saloons they are and they feel so vintage in all timing and kind of silly but really fun and and i think that'd be great to do and then just do more. I want to do like the rest of the trails. Maybe some like back country stuff because it is one of those parks where people are invited and free rein to like wander around as they please kind of careful and smart obvious yeah of course no. I think that's a really good point to like. I would do hikes curly in the morning or late at night. Good idea during the middle of the day is a bit intense and like we wound up kind of speed walking. I can just get out of the heat <hes> so it's it's good to strategize a little bit in time out i would actually call this the full circle park for us. Yeah i would say for in a lot of ways not only because it was like my first one as an adult and triggered this obsession but also a fun thing to mention that we actually formally announced the parkway india podcast while we're in balance together so not only was the place that inspired me to get into national parks but it's the park park india came to life in a sense yeah and that's just it's so beautiful and it was our first park that we had a friend along on the journey to go through it so there's been a lot of first year and <hes> the badlands while it was a short trip for us this time i'm excited to go back and live out that dream vacation of staying in <hes> the town there and enjoying the saloons the old timey beautiful nature of it all. I love it so much. I told you i would get emotional. You've been listening to the park. 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WOM10   The Liturgy of the Eucharist part 2  The Way of Mystery with Deacon James Keating episode 10  Discerning Hearts

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WOM10 The Liturgy of the Eucharist part 2 The Way of Mystery with Deacon James Keating episode 10 Discerning Hearts

"Discerning HEARTS DOT COM in cooperation with the institute for Priestly Formation Presents. The way of mystery the Eucharist Immoral Living With Deacon James Katy Deacon Keating is the Director of theological formation at the institute for Priestly Formation Located at Creighton University in Omaha Nebraska. He's the author of numerous books including remain in me. Holy Orders Prayer and ministry spell so prayer in the heart of the jacket. Taking heating has led more than four hundred workshops on moral theology and spirituality and regularly conducts retreats and parish missions. The way of Mystery Eucharist and Moral Living Deacon James Kidding. I'm your host Chris McGregor. It is very important. Isn't it for us? Who are sitting in the Pew and we are watching observing. What's happening at the altar for us to truly have that. Understanding of who is offering the prayers were about to hear yes that is crucial for our religious imagination and in for our conversion as well. It's very easy for all of us to fall into the trap of saying. Oh I went to father. Smith's mass and Father Smith has idiosyncrasies. I don't agree with our. You knows homilies which long or too short or whatever and we politicize the mass and we personalize it Mass THE WAY. He does it or the way his actions are and we forget the whole sacramental imagination which is the whole mass is the action of Christ and it takes them spiritual and religious disciplined to actually see into that mystery that this is the actions of Christ again following them. What we said previously this is the great dignity of the priesthood. That Christ has called this individual man called him so he could be week before the mystery of the life death and resurrection of Jesus and allow that mystery to be uttered in his life as priest. Christ called him so that Christ could act in him and We reduce the mass to You know on the surface. A repetitive ritualistic boring ceremony. If we think it's bother smits mass or we put so much weight on father to be entertaining or to be witty or to you know to to make us laugh or it has nothing to do with this man. Father Smith this is the action of Christ of the same would be true of baptism when the water is being poured. It's Christ pouring the water when when the prayers of reconciliation or said in the sacrament of reconciliation. It's Christ saying the prayers Christ reconciling you two the father and so I think our participation in the mass and are rendering ourselves available to be taken by Christ into his mystery. We'll go much easier if we begin to practice the simple little mental discipline of perhaps saying as the mass begins. Everything that now transpires is the action of Christ. It's the action of Christ. Now if it's just something simple like that. So we take the pressure off of Father Smith not to be the leader of this This ritual that will make us feel good about ourselves or whatever we're looking for in a human level but no this is the action of Christ I I wish to be taken up into the action of Christ as well And Christ is using this priest as a of for all of us to enter the action of Christ. The prayer that's offered the eucharistic prayer is such an important of event. Such an important thing for us to participate in even though we may not be saying the actual words but we are called to be a part of it aren't we yes again participation. Does it mean talking to? You can participate very deeply in silence in the movies. Just take a a media example. People are are very active in the movies. They're they're engaged in the movies In you know walking down the you know the park lane you know holding hands with your wife or your husband. There's no words transpiring. You're very engaged you deeply participating in the event of walking together. Even though there's no words that are transpiring so we the people in the Pew. We're not saying anything during the EUCHARISTIC prayer Outwardly or Orly audibly. I mean But we are deeply participating in this. This is This is the time when we surrender ourselves the very depths of our being. This is the time when we offer ourselves when we entrust ourselves to this mystery. This mystery of having our whole lives taken up into the life death and resurrection of Jesus. So that whether I'm rich or poor sick or healthy I can never be separated from this mystery I'm surrendering to this mystery here as it's unfolding before me and to some extent. I thank God. We don't talk during Because we would perhaps get taken up into the words that were uttering similar in the early parts the mass perhaps when we all say the creed together and sometimes it just it just comes tripping off the tongue in a way. That is superficial here. We are silenced. In Christ takes over so to speak the words of Christ. This is my body. This is my blood. We are silence before his actions in his words and we entrust ourselves to his actions and his words eucharistic prayer is is our time to do that to entrust ourselves to Christ actions and Christ words now these prayers and the priests have many options. Repaying the EUCHARISTIC prayer. We're most familiar with the perhaps the eucharistic prayer number a number two which is said normally in a daily mass and then perhaps eucharistic prayer number. Three which is choice of a lot of priests for the Sunday Mass Eucharistic prayer number. Three BEGINS FATHER. Your holy indeed and all creation right the gift you praise We hear the EUCHARISTIC prayer number one and that one begins. We come to you father and a lot of times when people hear that when they you know he chose the long run you know. Why did it choose a long one? We've come to you father with praise and Thanksgiving. Because we're still in that mode of American pragmatism and it's all about getting in getting out getting the job done and getting on with our life so we hear the first eucharistic prayer a lot of times. We grown well. How did he choose that long? One we like you stick prayer number two. That's the shortest that means father's likes us. And he's going to get in and get us out and that pragmatism Is probably one of the first things we should bring to the mass to be cured to be healed. Nobody wants to. It's like when you go to the hospital. Visit someone very quickly. You're in you're out and the person feels like it was just a duty done. It was no real attempt on this person to sit with me to even have compassion to suffer with me somewhat. CaN'T WE HAVE SOME COMPASSION FOR CHRIST. And can't we linger with him in his mystery? Can't we have some compassion with Christ linger with him at the foot of the cross? We always have to be Americans in Arosh in out quick on with whatever next event we're going to When you're sick and in the hospital and some does that you you feel slighted you feel like an object. You feel like you were just something to check off on the on the list of what to do today and Analogically I think we can think of this with the with the mass as well Let's have some compassion for Christ. Let's linger with him as he suffers on the cross. Let's linger with him as he offers himself to us so that he and his great mystery of life may take up residence at us. Let's let's not be too in a hurry to miss this opportunity of surrender to salvation itself. Were you going? What's more important than surrendering to the mystery of salvation? Because obviously if we don't enter into salvation every other value of the day is relatively heist into meaninglessness. This is the pinnacle. This is the apex of the day of the week of the year of our lives. You going lie in such a hurry data to leave the presence of Christ so no matter. What eucharistic prayer the priests chooses. Let's rejoice in the fact that we have one. Let's rejoice in the fact that we have a priest who will actually offer salvation. I would just say that in in light of the theme of our our conversations here about moral living in the Eucharist. I would just say that. Perhaps you want to linger over the first eucharistic prayer for masses of reconciliation. Though this when you may hear sometimes in lent or or you may hear it. Special OCCASIONS ON RETREATS. I would encourage priests perhaps to pray more often. I think it's one of the more beautifully written of the eucharistic prayers in the preface of the of the EUCHARISTIC prayer number. One the mass for reconciliation. It says this time and time again we broke your covenant but you did not abandon US instead through your son Jesus our Lord you bound yourself even more closely to the human family by a bond that never can be broken. Now is the time for people to turn back to you and to be renewed in Christ or some beautiful that is in terms of our old our own anthropological nature. Right time and time again. We broke your covenant. Know anybody else. Any of the human would have given up. How many times can someone be unfaithful to you before you? Just get tired of the whole thing and humans. Seven Times seventy time then. God doesn't does not abandoned us. Time and time again we broke your covenant here were taking a whole suite of salvation history from the beginning in Genesis until the time that we are living in now. Our history with God is a history of infidelity. And God's response is always to never abandon us but instead to do something outrageous to join us in this life the second person of the blessed trinity taking on flesh coming down and joining us in this life so that the bond will absolutely be solidified and our imaginations will be fired with the love of God see how Christ has loved us see how God has loved us he is. He has become one with us. He didn't get mad after we broke the covenant again and again and still do. He didn't take all his toys and go home. He did something outrageous. You became one of us so that the bond could even be more deeply solidified so that we could adhere to him even more deeply. He became a human being very powerful preface. The other of implication in the mass of reconciliation in prayer number one is found in this very beautiful section which again brings to mind the importance of the connection between the Eucharist and moral conversion. When we were lost and could not find a way to you. You loved us more than ever the power of that when we were lost obviously talking here about sin when we were lost and could not find a way to you. You loved US more than ever again. Notice the contrast between what you would say a common human response and the divine response. This is why we begin this whole section of the mass with Holy Holy Holy. We're talking about a human being here with human responses we're talking about the divine mind the human responser. You're lost again. The implication of sin you've turned away from me or you're so lost forget it but here's the beauty when we were lost when we could not find our way to God. God loved us more. He didn't hate us. He didn't ignore us. He didn't leave us to our own devices. You can even hear parental claims. You made your own bed lion. That's not God's mind when we are lost when we cannot find your way. God doesn't abandon us. God loves us even more. There's enough truth in there to silence us for a long time of meditation. It goes on to say Jesus your son innocent and without sin gave himself up into our hands and was nailed to the Cross. So we were lost. We couldn't find our way. God loved us even more. He sent us the one without sin. And of course we send against the one without sin. That's great pathology. That's how pathetic we are that when the love comes to us we kill love when our salvation comes near we rejected and we don't think we need to savor and we don't think that we're sick and we don't think that we're pathetic all the help. Cain books all the self affirmation books piled high. The ceiling could never cover over the fact of the deep abiding wound within the human. That when help comes a lot of times we hate help and that is where we need the savior because the savior stands his ground even as he is spat upon and whipped a nail. To across. I love you even more outrageous. It goes on yet. Before he stretched out his arms between heaven and earth in the everlasting sign of your covenant desire to celebrate the Paschal Feast in the company of his disciples and then it moves into those famous words of Jesus. This is my body. This is my blood before he gave up his life. He wanted what he was about to offer to become indelibly marked upon the bride itself. You want it. The mystery to be indelibly marked so he was going to leave the mystery with us his love so great that his love for us was not just to be a memory to be recollected. He didn't want his love to be nostalgic. You wanted his love to be always present. It's a big difference in the way many people think of the Eucharist has nostalgia you. What are you doing at the mass? Well we're remembering the last supper. He wanted the exact opposite of that he didn't want us to enter into a nostalgia about what he did for us. He wanted us to enter what he did for us. He wants us to enter what he's doing for us. And that is that whole question of time at the baths which we've lost a sense of that. We really are at different time. Eternity is coming to meet us in. Pick US up and take us into this everlasting moment of God's divine love in Jesus. I'm going to give you myself and I'm going to give you myself for always and forever and here is the place where you can always have access to this giving. This is my body. This is my thought. And if you are a sinner if you know you're lost and if you know you could not find your way back and if you know that you wandered for many years please no. I love you more than ever. I'm not mad at you. I'm not your your weak and struggling parents God I can't do anything but love so you're no longer lost? You found your way back because I have come and search to out with my cross with my love in the form of bread wine in priesthood. So the EUCHARISTIC prayer we receive in silence. Could it be any other way? 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Today we now return to the way of mystery the Deacon James It really is an onus upon us when the church calls us to full and active participation to take the time to enter into the profundity of the words that are being said the sentiments that are being offered the prayer that is being lifted up And not to be audience like in our pews sitting back. I mean it really. This is a mystical encounter. Isn't it my we don't want we don't want to be passive? See that the thing that we battle against. All the time is the crush of our own limitations. Crush of our own body the crush of the Pew was too hard. Or I've got an ache and my back now or I've got a headache or or the lights to Brighton. This church or this is real time that this great gift is being given to us within so we all struggle with. What's really happening? What what gift is really being given. And we can be distracted so easily. Why for many people leave. Essential Element of the mass is recollection before the mass and we touched upon this briefly in another show. I think but so important to underscore that as a pastor. Perhaps the pastor wants to come out before mass and say. Let's prepare for this mass by now. All being silent 'cause we got into this habit of using the sanctuary as a place to visit and those who might think otherwise are usually salted today. What you don't think the is about friendship and Community of course it. You can't even talk about silence in some communities today because it's always seen as an attack upon community if you don't have silence if you don't recollect it to receive this mystery then the very power to love the person sitting next to you the very power that you need to love the person sitting next to you will never be received because you'll miss it because you're not participated you just showing up. Silence is not in some sense that which separates us from each other as a Catholic community. Silences the glue that here's one each to teach to the other because if I don't receive the mystery of Christ loving his church despite our sinfulness. How am I ever going to truly love you? The personal lives down the block to me from me at my parish as you definitely will sin against me unless these people think. Catholic community is just a superficial veneer of friendliness or niceness and if they think Catholic community can exist. As superficial veneer friendless or niceness and of course they have no idea. What real communion is I can only love you in the power of Christ and you can only love me in the power of Christ and if I don't receive the power of Christ at Matt's because I missed it because I wasn't recollected because it didn't take time to enter into the mystery enveloped in silence. I will never love you. I'll be nice to you but I'll never truly will your good will. Your good is a power. That's beyond me a gift. I receive from participation in the Eucharist. So this the power of this section of the mass were. The actual gift is bestowed an all time stops. This has to be welcomed at a much deeper level than we normally welcome. The rush of the daily routine will miss it. Or we'll say that massive boring stupid or a waste of my time because it's the same thing every time I go if I'm not if I don't understand that I'm receiving at a much deeper level receiving. Ah being a much deeper level so that I can gift my being to you. Otherwise what's important is the donuts after the mass or something like that. That's that's helpful. That's nice but did the donuts after the mass. Empower me to love you. If you harm me in some way in my business you insult my wife. The power of the DONUTS. Give me some strength to actually will your good despite the fact that you heard me no. It's a ludicrous example. But this is the point. Christian community is much. 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Deadly Discussions Episode 1

Deadly Discussions

23:40 min | 2 years ago

Deadly Discussions Episode 1

"Welcome to deadly discussions on your host is II. Carson a podcast about social entrepreneurship, like take this moment. Also to acknowledge the traditional Landon is on whose land we are recording today through Orangerie people of the Kulin nation. So ready to go guys, very fish one. Let's guy. So welcome to Delhi discussions today. I'm calling in my good friend. Matthew, Madame not gonna trod pronounce your surname kazaa? Will cock it up. So you can say it for me after this Mattie is a lawyer and indigenous lawyer with Greek heritage kindly working in Melbourne city. So yeah, welcome to the show, Mattie, and please explain you lost nine for me. Thank you very much. I it's I root pleasure to be on this podcast with you. And it's something that it's really a pleasure in being on the very fist full costs. You guys about I'm very deadly podcast. So I Watson. I mean, the calculus, and I'm the principal. Solicitor? I am Kylo. Yup. Not scrape. Right. And so you'll explain a little bit before we get into some of the questions, and it'll time to your story. So what's it like having such cultural heritage got Greek heritage and you've got indigenous heritage? And then balancing that out. Do you wanna share bid about that? I'm it's. It's I I think it's real gift. I think you know. My father's Drake came to Estrella young boy. And he's threes old. Yeah. Well, any time with these twin brother, and he's baby brother who was one of the time. Yeah. Well, he's parents came to add light in a bugged too, many months from grace, and I stayed. In the Park Lane mode, actually having a home for the fish, you waste into my grandfather landed a factory job, and sort of movie for mayor and we've my aboriginal heritage. I'm mothers and side of the family, and the stories about her is definitely a lot of stories about overcoming challenges and together up the roof strung lawman in terms of you know, my great heritage gen Y I bridge, you know, heritage in. I think the ability and understanding go by the family really helps intend off you know, me appreciating where I'm not tonight. Well, that's definitely to to take on. I was interested. He said twin twin twin? So that means if in the future, if you're looking at children that Kobe possibility for you. If you're a numbers guy. I think my wife, I think she would love to have twins. I I think it might mean. Dumb would be pleasure in double the the word. That's right. That's right. You to start off the bat in in they finished. So that's that's amazing mate, you know, because the the podcast is going to be focused on a lot of social entrepreneurship, we know that, you know, the indigenous procurement policy on the federal level which myself in your phone involved with we also local state governments got a lot of social procurement framework, and you look at the level crossings and the and the targets that they hitting. And I think that's phobia. What ties into us now so your current role and what you're doing what's you know, what a lot of your business as a as a lawyer. So that would be professional services, right? Yes. I the fame. I am Kylo we work in commercial or property law and dispute resolution now across these. Areas. We do a lot of start up works. We actually counting the numbers on the weekend. Yeah. About twenty five percent of our clients start up in business pieces. And that's something that we really really proud to be involved with them and played doing because the real inspiration that we have as a famous to be success when Aren right, but it was shown sparring other indigenous business-oriented Aloi is to be the best I can be and then helping we've startup indigenous businesses is being such a valuable contribution that we've been of Mike intensive yes. Doing the work starting out the businesses in providing ongoing support after that. We also do a lot of you know, in the dispute resolution that was involved a little court what? Okay. This morning is working. I'm I need to get commercially guy. She met a involves provisions of the strength. Similar little what we've got to talk to you little more on the other side representing the defendant. We within the plaintiff in this case. And it's in the federal court going very well. But obviously these this challenging every Tyson. It's not over into the lady same like that. Yeah. Well. I'll go back to that the indigenous business pot a lotta these indigenous businesses that are starting up are they are we talking joint ventures with 'Lajja established companies. Are we talking mom and pop shops? We talking sole try to looking to upscale and and get a few guys underneath him to do the work. What are we talking about here? Yep. So you we've acted for variety different start up beating visit the lodger. And sky up. Indigenous speeding we work for a client that said, I need business. We arrange joint venture and corporate documentation, and there was some complex shareholder agreement arrangements, and there was sort of more complicated commercial and global structure involving that start up business. But then we've also done some work on that other end of the spectrum. You know, we've we've got a client and saying, and I've it'd be good to give her a bit of publicity did. Sharon, and she's got the Kuwait. Yes. Yes. Roy exactly. Yeah. Awesome. Crock burgers accent? That's rugged. And so that's a kept by. I just thought I'd say they threw variety. But I think doesn't really matter. What you're beating the seat as long as you're passionate about what you're doing. Yeah. That's right. And you've got the right support and ability to provide excellent products and services, which might vary indigenous peoples, and then I think, you know, you're you're on a winner. Definitely for our listeners who might not be familiar with digits pecul-. What's an indigenous business? Do you want to explain in a nutshell? What defines legally and indigenous business. Yep. So that's actually the moral concepts for for indigenous beedon's to us saying, I'll I'll explain the the legal definition. So. To be a in business business. It's a business that is owned at least fifty one percent why an aboriginal water on the person. And that can be while the individual ships. That example, most businesses they set off with someone gets grad beach and saw the begins working from home, and they iota Greis man in that. So try to talk structure if that threatens Dev original, then it would qualify thing and every business harsh on the business and therefore make the indigenous business threshold I've been other arrangements where you might have number of people getting together and save up to five people with an example. And I wanna form a company will if they three of those people that are in better in digits, and the other people and non indigenous you can look at the cumulative shareholding of both ratio of say, whether or not it's above fifty one percents ratio me in that particular business would do qualifies thing. And indigenous business why one point I'd love to add into this. Discussion ease the definition of joint venture. Yup. As it applies in the indigenous procurement spice, and then as it applies from from the legal standpoint because you something up spiking to people can supply action about as well. Supply nation. Don't show bit bit nation who they are real quickly. Yes. That's the point. I should I director of indigenous businesses, and I think they often look that as being there. The nationwide marketplace where indigenous procurement can happen. If you got anything else to add on that. So the victimization yelich, I think it's misunderstood that. There are an organization on for profit that is that to facilitate introductions to federal state and lodge culprits peculiar teams to give you the the door open all the opportunity to be involved in tendering for works. But I think when I first started, you know, moss, I connect I thought you know, that it's going to be handing out work like, but it's not the case. You know, you still have to go for the right channels throat insurances. You still have to be, you know, capable you still got to be financially fit as a indigenous business, and they're the sort of. Facilitators that will point you in the right direction. And I think that's healthy to have. That mindset. You know, because I, you know, I think we've discussed this. And I talk about this a lot of other social enterprises is that handout mentality us the handout. A lot of people saying, well, I'm indigenous business and in I deserve this contract. But the complexities on on certain contracts and works just we disdain how'd that knowledge shit. And so the indigenous businesses on the sector is so young still. So I can understand people talk about risks. But you know, there are some great champion companies at and construction who actually build up indigenous businesses and supply chain for the both benefits. And I think that's the perfect example of reconciliation closing the gap. And. Yeah. So so for you like you do it. You know, we've got you've got litigation cases with you know, lodge. It's going out to federal and you've got coup cafe for you. What's what really gets you out of bed every morning. Like, what's the why what keeps you going? You know, you just said at a few frustrations are the last week or so last night, or you know, however that comes what what helps you of it come that. In reset. Sure. My. Like is right now, he's being the best later confronts rebate. And I've been definitely stopped such would be I and four months in you lady moss open what I do and in my interactions. We. Oh, painful seven. Yep. The proper and and. Cars have from can be shake the greater good of everyone. And then from there, I'm really with. I'm being the best later that I can be with any out without saying don't certainly make community. That's example, running some workshops during the course, me she we've. I'm gonna say government buddy or. Yeah. One on edited in trouble. You know, I'm I'm I'm running some workshops. We all be I guess dot up says the Sam small business big story and being involved in sharing knowledge and helping us barring beaten, sinus to then be the best. I can be and run successful businesses. I really say that true lady she opportunity, and and I'm really grateful for being I want to share that knowledge. And he'll by the people in that why? And he's differently challenges on that. I think lady she's I wrote very challenging concept, and I'm very very far from being the traffic later. So I'm really might about it being the best laid off impulsively bay in learning most feel that they're required in that way. And then part of that you bought a lady shoop he's doing duty and developing arrowing arrowing insane. And. Being is strongly waken bay as a indigenous low fan, we have been looking to employ more indigenous lawyers, and hopefully we'll have more indigenous lawyers come aboard very same. And then waking say inspire other. Indigenous lawyers to through their own career and one of the right things matter, I think he's doing people in past generations of sort of discuss, you know, the lower and business people traditionally thought about crime or. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Treason teams and things like that. But I think as a commercial. Lawyer as the practice has been a business start up lately. She's really gives us the opportunity to bring a more positive in parenting aspect. Yeah. Into the relationship of indigenous people have with the little that's something that I'm very much about a buzz. Well, yeah. That's that's brilliant. What you're saying? And probably for our next podcast with yourself. We will we can go over about the skillset shortage in the market for indigenous, lawyers or digits electricity. So anyone really because of the huge demand. And yet, but what I love is indigenous people are the lowest socio economic group in Australia, and then they were going to raise that standard as an raises the whole nation, actually because we're the lowest is through involving them with working back on on country. You know, working back being involved in the law allocate you've taken time out to be a pot of small business fake in the IB. A you know, because I find as well people go to these organizations, and if they're not given the help they need they sort of walk away. And it's about being like hand in. Hand. It's a two way street. It's about giving the feedback to these groups in a really positive manner. So that you can do things were on the future because. Yeah, I've had you know, my parents they got the house through at seek at the time. And I've looked at the IV staff, and I was like, you know, it's not for me. That's for Paul black follows odd say that. But then I realized his like, you know, these things are set up to benefit out mob. And so off the loan to educate others on you know, the rot Weiss ago about these government agencies that want to help and because everyone has separate DNA's different companies known for profits. Whether you work it can be hard to understand that. So, but yeah, I think I'll bring it onto the final sort of question Madden. That's sort of social enterprises what it means to you. You know, we've got all the targets set by government and state United. You think things needs up the anti-d think they need to change and they need to audit. You know, what are your thoughts? This is a very. Very big question. I think. Yeah. And. I think it was touches on something that you signed before about indigenous businesses, and it's really important for a soda have Al fundamental beating his principles and quality in services and products. You know, be miss as a as a starting point. I'm the reason why I say that because of spiking indigenous beaten sign is that have had the view. About big ability to it business alliance through dean and social acumen opportunity. Yeah. And I think that that's probably the wrong way to that these top of the Ryan's you have to as a business line. Mike sure, you'll be this is a quality business. Definitely. And then once they spun them into place, then you can start looking at some of the social human opportunities. Because if you if you think about it from the point of view alive organization die forget with that putting out I tend they wanna make sure that they. Insurance Commissioner Ryan with someone that can actually succeed delivering what a grade. So I think these central acumen opportunities can be seen as I- necessary bonus. I think these opportunities are great benefit the entire country for everyone. The reason why that is for sure there's a very large reconsolidation aspect of this comes in. If you talk about our family stories, and look at what you be Guinness of fame through you in our country remains to be, you know, compensation there needs to be a a a active. Why trying to come inside for injustices, even though those injustices can never really be compensated. But at least he's up charities through social acumen. Do carry we've been an element of Rick. The action. I think I really important point MRs be being tension. The organizers intention behind German sometimes of same some organizations speak very badly about sexual acumen and opportunities for indigenous businesses, then not heavy actions to actually back up. Those words. Yeah. That's definitely not. We think for anyone. But I think if the Torreton tension can be carried out the opportunities being given to indigenous businesses, and then is indigenous businesses delivering apartment machinery often that will benefit this is Saudi as a whole indigenous businesses. But oh say I think the asking you just beating an indigenous aren't as have a lot of excellent quality, he even resources and a lot of strengths that can be deleted threw up achieving benefit everyone, everyone everyone just indigenous species, but the lodger innovation as well. And I think that's a big part of the grant recognizing what I need Reconsiliation side. But also the strength that we have isn't as indigenous. And the cultural practices. We have, you know, finally, indigenous businesses to their own detriment, sometimes very very family oriented tided, even even at scale, some of the bigger JV's, the the very family orientated on other trade shows with a young brother, they'll the nephew coming along to learn about, you know, he might be on the tools they brought him into the trade showed. And he's representing a construction company. So looking to people like deefat till L A federal agencies. You know, it's it's a learning thing. It's wanting the best route people, but a lock what you said about it sort of all the eggs in one boss kit. I think some of these social enterprises, it's, you know, I've I've get it like this, and my customer will be government. And that's that's a line who little be. And it's very very dangerous business structure. You know, it's like someone who knows loans, but never mode alone. But set on a set of mowing business and government will be my. Customized almo- government loans. And so it's yeah. It is very dangerous because policies change things change as complexities around that and yeah, just love hearing you'll hod on it. So but anyway, what's next for for yourself? Many. What's happens in the next couple years where you in three years from now? Most in question. And so where would be threes. We'll definitely have a larger and stronger pain. We are growing. We will continue in how the street of obey Solent in in delivering quality legal services because I think. At end of at the end of the day beaten is about relationships. Yes. Businesses growing best three referrals, and I think. They if you can deliver beyond what you've promised been going to be happy client. I love the same say what you do. And do what you say. I think it's really important to say who you are. And what you do you need to deliver on what you say. And we're gonna continue now development of processes systems and innovation through the little to make sure that we keep growing on with an upper. Yeah. That's fantastic. Right. Well, thanks for coming on giving me your time on a Loiseau, always busy. So thank you for giving some time become on a very first podcasts of deadly discussions. And I look forward to having a crook burger with yourself and Sharon in the near future. Mark. Or some? I think it's been a pleasure. Thank you know. Thanks, man. I'll talk to you soon. Spy?

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Islandia y quedada Soy Cicloviajera en Montaas Vacas  Viajando Despacio 151

Podcast RadioViajera

50:07 min | 1 year ago

Islandia y quedada Soy Cicloviajera en Montaas Vacas Viajando Despacio 151

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Luke Evans (The Alienist)

The Big Ticket with Marc Malkin

25:05 min | 9 months ago

Luke Evans (The Alienist)

"Hey everybody, happy Thursday and welcome to the variety in our heart podcast, the big ticket I'm your host Mark Malcolm coming up today. Luke Evans which about the new season of the. Returning to the role of Gaston for the Disney plus beauty and the beast, prequel series, and the plans that are in place to shoot his next. TV project nine perfect strangers during the pandemic. I'll be right back with Kevin's after this short break. XFINITY X. by is more than just fast. It's Internet that gives you ultimate control. With the X. Y. APP you can pause the Wi fi at the push of a button. Can Your Internet do that? Learn more at xfinity. Dot Com Slash X. Y.. Welcome back to the ticket I'm your host Mark Malkin in the twenty years since Luke Evans launched his acting career, he is play Dracula one of the three, musketeers and Bard, the Bowman and Peter Jackson's hobbit films more recently. He's best known for playing guest on the two thousand Seventeen vibe action adaptation of beauty and the Beast Parole Prize prequel series for Disney plus Sunday July. July nineteenth is also the premiere of the second season of TNT's the alienist. He Co Stars in the drama as newspaper illustrator turn reporter, John More I caught up with the forty four year old boss actor from a Beatha where he's vacationing before heading to strain of film, the Hulu Adaptation of nine perfect strangers from David Kelly and Co, starring Nicole Kidman and Melissa McCarthy. High Gearan! I can hear you awesome. I thought I was GONNA see with pink hair. Nova. Several several months ago, my Gosh. How are you? I'm grand. Yes, you're very very well. I've been following you on Instagram I. See Your A. Yeah. How did you do at the beginning of all this craziness in the pandemic with quarantine? I know you did beauty and B. Sing along which is fine. I'm yeah. Yeah I mean I in Florida. I spent a whole quarantine of lock down in Florida. And I tried to make the most of it. I tried to enjoy the. Peace and tranquility in lack of emails lack of work and. I was up any preoccupation me tool so I embrace that. Yeah I tried to look at the best positive aspects of you know being stuck at home and going for long walks and. thinking a lot meditating and being creative, and was also nice to be able to. Know? Support, the different charities in. Health Service in the UK you know and. Give them a bit of a tap on the back encouragement and say thank you as as the months weeks months going by so. Nice to say, thank you even wasn't in the UK. Keep everybody's spirits up as much as we could. You know so, what were you binging? Everyone was binging something. Where did you been? Oh well? I'm I am terrible. I'll stop something. Finish it. I've always been the same, but obviously when you have nothing to do you know it became quite a thing like in the evenings we would watch a show by the end of the week. We would finished a get on. We started with Ozak. Lansing it I wanted to watch it, and so we watched the whole three seasons in about two weeks. And then we moved onto little fires everywhere, which was fantastic, then I watched the morning show, which I had not got around to watching. That was brilliant. Yeah, my friend, my friend Jennifer Aniston which I love to say my friend again. Is. Everybody's fantastic in, but I thought had performance was just spectacular powerhouse performance so Yeah, we did the did that. Was the documentaries Yeah, Sin Fun this. Good, lead sunk around the alienist which I did binge, the new season did yeah, it's really good. Yes it just. It's what's amazing about A. Sound silly I'm old fashioned I. Guess It's just. The the the. Attention to detail is just so incredible just from obviously the wardrobe to just you know. Fanning in her office, it's like I almost wanted to pause it just to see all the little things that are. Is it. Is it amazing to make? A television series like. It's just. It's really logical each episodes of movie. It's absolutely magical. I remember walking onto the set for the first time. A I've worked on some incredible set some very very lucky to come huge productions where. You know. That kind of detail that the production. And this blew me away. It was as good if not better than some of the big movie sets like work so. That was really. That was just fantastic. You know even Mike Character you know. I even had insignias on my handke's in my pocket. And and I had like a a beautiful Drawing Kit because of his, he was an illustrative image I seasons season. They made this incredible Like a folder with the handmade paper inside and all the things that a autism from the early, the late eighteen hundreds turn of the century would have had and they were all authentic real historical pieces you just. You know the people that do that kind of thing. They are artisans, and they they they take pride in what they do and I guess given a Nice big budget is must be just a joy to go shopping, and we were obviously in Budapest. I know that on weekends. The she would go to Vienna to Prague to just source you know pieces for our customs or FA set so. was really really really special I loved it. What kind of difference does that make just those type? You would think people might think like okay. You put on the wardrobe. You know you see a horse and Buggy, and that's it. You're reaching into your pocket and senior Monogram or opening that case in their the drawings. How does that? Just much completely changed how it informs your your your work. Absolutely I mean. For, pretty simple example was a pocket watch. Don't have pocket watches anymore. Some people do, but you know that he has Puckett. What so to tub to check time you know he would have to pull out of his hand, and the watch would be facing inwards to the winning lifted it onto his hand. It was looking at him and not the other way round, and it has a chain and there was lots of little. Physical affectation that I acquired for John Moore's character. From how he was dressed to what he, what pieces of utensils that he had to his character. It was really really doesn't foam me a lot I. Said this customs, they all the final layer of an actor's character. You know and commit you stand differently. It can make you feel completely different if you want a uniform or you see. I A lieutenant commander of the American a U. S. Navy COUPLA years ago, it absolutely changed everything about me I was like I stood differently. Talk Differently I. His era of You know. Band about me, and with John More I've felt very eloquent in very. You know like a true gentleman, so it did exactly the job that it was supposed to do the the wardrobe. The highway of pants that you are in the. Just. An odd caller Gal Kabul colored braces and. Also one of the things you can't get dressed alone. No one nobody no gentleman from that time would have been able to dress themselves right. So they will have to have somebody help. especially two coats and GM nominee of people to get out of that cost you even. Yeah I just. I just kept lie I. Get fascinated by trying to find a lilt towel. So like been you're on the street. I'm looking and I'm from new. York some like looking for New York, things and Just, it's really beautiful, and it's just of lighting in the in the series. Just when you go into the is office and it's docker. Yeah, it's just it's pretty much ICAL. Yeah, no, they did a fantastic job and see what else is very impressive I found. Is the subtle, but brilliantly effective use of CGI. Obviously. We had this incredibly expensive real set. But to extend the streets. Shooting, there would be a huge blue huge blue canvas at the end of the street. And you always wonder what's going to be when when the show comes up. Until watch the finish rendered version of what street looks like. That takes. My breath is like. That's really clever. How physical can meet can can merge with digital. Like seamlessly. I will never ever no I, wouldn't until you told me. Let's talk about that engagement party scene. That Gosh it was. First of all. Was it real cake? was just it was so over the top, and just full of pomp and circumstance. Tell me about walking into that scene into that room. Will that that building? Itself is an incredibly grand space. Used it. In season one actually, but it looked nothing like that in the dress differently. We also use many rooms off that huge main that huge big hole where the big agent party was. But It's always fun when you do a scene. Where there's lots of extras, there's lots of movement and his. It was musicians. Cake can a car and like speeches and a huge sweeping staircase. Meet A man. No everybody had a lot of fun shooting that one because it was basically A night shoot! We did it through the night. As many windows in that place, we'd have to cover them all up if we did the day but yeah, it was. It was magical role, so you know the attention to the research that the set designs made did to talk about the cake for example that they will put the hands inside the bill that house to grab stuff I mean that's a little from from stories from from historical things that happened during that time. Madrid famous people's bodies. You know on to replicate one of the first 'cause well. This really impressive, but yeah, no I love those seats very much. So what did they set about another season? You want to do another season. I don't know I I. I know the three of us a extremely over the next couple of years I know that our schedules are very tight. But. You know never say never because. The Think season two has come up very very well. I think people really will. Embrace, the new story in the new plots in the new characters. It's always. It's always very sad when you when you liked the people you work with and you like the car to the play. It's very sad when you have to say goodbye to the. Onset. In used to go to that final farewell which we have in this show as well, you know episode. I watched it recently in unites. It took me emotionally. I got I took my breath away a bit. You know just the think. Then gone. Maybe they might not come by, but you know you. You never know you never know. I think if people like it enough and is a good story to tell not another murder to solve. We might see the threesome pop up again. Maybe who knows how now though when you talk about a scene with all those extras. Yeah, it's now every time. I looked at something like that on my. When will we be able to fill something like that again? Well, yes, that is the biggest question of all, isn't it? I mean. I'm about to start a television show in Australia. We all have to be quarantined in a hotel room. I can't see anyone for two weeks. I have to be tested every other day. Everything is going to be delivered to my room and I have to stay in a room in Australia and not leave it for two weeks just so that we can then be free to go and shoot something. So if that's the thing that has to happen for a very small cows actually. I imagine how they will be able to do it. We all going to have to come to work this out somehow right in the future. But who knows how that's GONNA work? When it will happen, I mean it's. Just It's mind blowing to think what we've been through in how it's changed. So many aspects of our daily life can work careers and. There's still no end in sight i. mean that's the. Scary bit. 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Nicole Kidman to David Kelley. Big Little Lies, same author her. You feel. Like you know people are going to say. Is this the next big little lies? No pressure. yeah, I think. I think it doesn't feel very anything like big little lies are to I. Don't feel there is any comparison to be. That! I don't think maybe it'll feel different when you see it but Yeah we're jumping into A, we have a caliber already set up. Work of of you know none of the work is. We've seen it so. He's very funny. He's a very funny story dog, but incredibly funny. which I'm really I'm excited about is I like I like comedy and I, liked dot comedy. I don't get to do very much. Comedy No, no. So. That's what I'm looking forward to, but yeah. He's going to try and make the best thing we can. And hopefully people enjoy it, but we are studying with a balloon casanovas I'm a big fan of Nicole's and Melissa. Other that have been announced, but It's it's a really interesting mix of people in and great talented. Fokker involved so The cocktails. Ingredients role, this could be a tasty cocktail note and I have the answer of course beauty and the beast prequel. What's happening? Is it happening? Is it you have your new songs? When do you start production? Tell me everything. Well I can't tell you a huge amount, but I'll tell you that it is happening. Josh and I have read. Three episodes I, think two or three episodes now we've had some of the new songs written by. Misdemeanor Incan himself. We are so excited about this. It's going to be a joy to work with Josh again. I mean me and Josh Have Chemistry. As friends we had it in and Luckily Transit, which transferred to the screen and people got it. They got the character. It's going to be a joy to bring him just to life a new story a new story that you've no one knows Yeah so, but it's all coming together. Very nicely rather quickly actually. We hope hopefully production moves start. Sometime next year Josh. Aref going to have the window to shoot. Yeah, so. Are you surprised to learn what Esteban's backstory is? How are you going to see? From going to saw, but it's still in a Schmo August of cameos. Magin I'm we. You know you never know pop in this show Never, know. Did you ever think when you were making the movie that? There's a limited series in here for backstory. Weirdly we people I mean. Because we were. We were the fun a lot. Is People laughed at you know? We would often talk about the. Home with Gust on the food. You know or for wind gusts ongoing a road trip. The Food and on have a cookery cooking, show or a you know a men's health care chain. It went on and on and on, and then I. Think fans, but our names together made. They've got you know. Brad, Jelena's all different. Now this Augusta so. Yeah I mean no, we didn't. We always, we joked about it a lot. So the fact that it's now is just joy. I mean Josh wanting to work together again. Surveillance type so. We have we have a film with Netflix and now we have this Disney plus thing which is going to hopefully. Be a joy to make too dumb to step back into the world of Disney, and the music of Maine the characters, which we totally loved and so yeah. It's it. It's GonNa be fun I'm very excited about it. Then one last question, tell me about the first audition you went on whether you got the role or not. I audition. Oh, I remember trust I audition. was floor a musical called La Cava, which was written by a woman called Dana Broccoli, who was the wife of Cubby Broccoli who produced James Bond? And whose daughter is Bob Abruptly? Who is now producing? And I was. Twenty years old I think. I just graduated from college. And it is my first audition and I went into the offices. On. Park Lane in London in this grand building, which is basically. The offices of James Bond that the film and I sang in front of a huge conference table with all of them watching. The music the musical director turned up the. I'M GONNA. Put this up I can see that you can sing higher. We're going to change the key. And I just had to sit there and hope to God. The my voice wouldn't crack because it was a huge a song and I went home that night in the following morning Java Jobbins I would I played the juvenile lead. On, my character was closed Theodomir. DEMERE! Field Amir. And I had the I had the finale song, which was magical and I. Think my friends and family so it about time. The thank you so much for this. This is great. Thank you for taking. Time congratulations on the series again like I said my husband and I watched. It really got into every single like we just WANNA. Wear your clothes, I. Mean it was all about your. I know we'll doug is beyond. So, what did you bring home from set? What are you bring home from South Link to remember I, so I started to collect. The rings of my characters, I only because I seem to. Have a ring on my character. They all had Arain Dracula. Artery Gaston had ring. John Moore had to ring and I've I've I've really beautiful collection of one off rings, and my ring has my initials. Crests have the crest on on John was ring so I kept that. That's the thing I asked for it as. I, don't steal trump's. That's what I that's what I kept from from from John Lewis Character. Awesome Have a good one. Stay safe. Take Care Bye bye. That was Luke Evans. Thanks for listening to this week. Big ticket coming up next week. Boyd Holbrook Star the fugitive qube adaptation based on the television series and film of the same name. It don't want to miss until then follow me on twitter instagram at large now, and for all your up to the minute Hollywood news head over to variety dot com stay safe e well, and don't forget to wear masks. I'll see you next week. have. 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Bonus Episode! Boondocking With Brad: The Essentials

Parklandia

18:28 min | 1 year ago

Bonus Episode! Boondocking With Brad: The Essentials

"Available now from Iheart a new series presented by t mobile for business. The restless ones join me. Jonathan Strickland as I explore the coming technological revolution evolution with the business leaders who stand right on the cutting edge. They know there is a better way to get things done and they are ready. Curious excited cited for the next technological innovation to unlock their vision of the future in each episode. We'll learn more from the restless ones themselves and dive deep into how the Five G. Gee Revolution could enable their teams to thrive the restless ones is now available on the iheartradio APP. Or wherever you listen to podcasts. Hi I'm Matt and I'm Brad. This is park land production of iheartradio. We sold our loft in Chicago moved into an RV in our country. fulltime the dog thin exploring America's national park and walk them back to boone docking with Brad. Today we're going to go over the essentials. What does this mean the essentials? The things that don't come with your vive. You thought probably should have That's what I thought not at least but they don't we're GONNA be talking about things like sewer hoses water hoses dump hoses all the different kinds of tanks and things like that The first thing you probably have to start off with because you really want to protect your asset which is that. RV Is when you GOB You're hooking up into thirty amp or fifty fifty amp electrical ports. On the outside there are specific surge protectors for thirty nine fifty an pushups that you want to use because this will protect packed your RV from having a surge into the RV Park just in case there. Electrical is in great. You want to protect your asset or otherwise. I'll just be sitting and they're getting warranty work done. You'll have a big bill if you don't have a warranty and you don't want that went on the road. So this little fifty to eighty dollars tool really makes a difference but going from there I thought that water hoses in would come with this but I guess it's good that they didn't sell Xiaomi a US dump hose right. I mean it's already bad enough when you have to deal with the dumps In those tanks and everything like that So these dump imposes basically hook up to your RV and what it is. Is You have two tanks that come from your RV. You have your black tank and you have your great tank. And then they go onto into one hose and that host goes into the ground where you dump your stuff every RV Park almost every bar cast full hookups. But there's some that don't so you might have to use a dump station and things like that but we'll talk about that in another episode As we dive more into this RV living and what that actually entails so basically you have your black tank in your great tank when you get those sewer hoses you cook them all up. It's all good. You're GONNA pull your black tank I because this is your bodily fluids this is more of like these You know feces and things like that and so you want to dump those first so that way me when that hose it goes through the hose and into the ground you know you take care of that first then you dump your great tank which is like your wash water your shower water things like that's more clean it's called Grey because they're actually his grace tend to it because you know there's dirt that your washing often it's going to your systems but you do this in this order because that that water will then go through that hose it will kinda clean it out for you so you don't have to spend a lot of time Cleaning that hose at the end this is something that does not do He will not do it. And that is absolutely fine because I don't blame him you now my area of expertise but that's why you're going over boondocks with Brad with me. I'm talking with Matt Right Right. Yeah I know and maybe this was just more subconsciously lesson for you so you could help me out more. Well that's not gonNA happen but that's absolutely fine So basically once you're done with that you're going to make sure you always close your black in your tanks after you've done on dumping and that's because otherwise it'll be like the Santa Fe issue which we're GonNa talk them or the next boondock with Brad and that would keep teasing you with because it gets nasty water water hoses You're actually to you'RE GONNA want one hook up to your RV to put feed water into your RV and then you're GonNa want an adapter for that one that that will go into your boondocks tank so basically you have an extra tank where you can put water in there if you want. If you know that you're GonNa be on the Lam for a few days or on the road for a few days boone docking overnight night without any hookups. You'RE GONNA WANNA make sure you have water in there so you can still use it But the second hose is you're cleaning those and so that the hose that you're gonNA WANNA use to clean out your sewer hose and that's because when you're doing these different Activities ladies you don't want what you're drinking out to clean up your feces every RV liver every RV traveler will know that this is super important important And we all talk about it. When I'm going to when I was in Albuquerque Balloon Fiesta Last year I was talking to people about dump tanks and great tanks for like days because it was just you know you. There's ways to make sure that there's proper hygiene When doing this like always wearing gloves whenever you're working with your black and gray tanks? Thanks because you don't want those to get on your hands and things like that right. I mean you're right. Yeah when you buy your via the beginning you're not gonNA have any bedding towels some window coverings are RV's don't come with window coverings And things like that so the things that you think are really basic. You need to look for when you're buying or RB. Do they come with this. Do I want someone else's use sheets. If you're buying hang it used you know. Where do you find these things? Because ours is a queenside short with a flip up our bed take specific sheets and bedding that you can find at Walmart you know you have to actually order these from Amazon or go to camping world and find these different objects send things because of the way that their size for an RV. Something that Matt always throws in my face is his DVD collection. Yeah what happened when we first got on the road. I was like we don't need it. We'll have net flicks. We'll have who will have Disney plus while does he plus plus an existent but now so like what what happened well. I had a large DVD collection. When we're in Chicago because we have the space and it was something I am asked over years and I just I was attached to it? You know there's a lot of movies I have that I have been watching years and probably never even feel like watching. But it's just something that I've connected to. And when we downsized and had to like really get an like minimize our our possessions I put a good amount of those. DVD's in storage and then only brought. Like I don't know a small amount that could fit in a binder or something into the RV with us and then when you're back at the storage facility at one point over the summer or something. I asked you. Could you go to the storage place and like the rest of my DVD's because I need them and they found a box. And I brought that one back. Yeah well that was. That was like one percent didn't realize there was like three boxes full of DVD's and so I keep on getting l'ambassade over that every week for DVD. They he had but he doesn't have it and I understand it but this thing has these. DVD's have really coming clutch There's multiple optimal times where we just had bad internet and so we watch a DVD. And it's been great or even we have great Internet but we just want to watch a DVD because it's not on one of those channels or those streaming services which leads into mobile hotspots and Wi fi man. What a disaster We bought a verizon hotspot and we use that and it works sometimes Yeah barely honestly our team mobile like like tethering your phone ipad work better You know I'm actually halfway tempted to get one of those t mobile sync up and drives because I think that that also offers tethering and that might even offer better tethering or mobile WIFI basically kind of comes into this thing where you're gonNA realize that really quickly. You're going to need multiple access to Internet especially if you are RV living and you're working from the road RV. Parks sometimes offer Wifi Sometimes it's great. Sometimes it's down the dumps And then sometimes you have to pay for it and you can pay different levels like you know basic and then premium am and then streaming levels and everything but it gets really expensive really quick. So you're just GONNA WANNA make sure you have some things on the road with you that make sense Wifi for us is just the biggest thing we're actually looking into Going to camping world and grabbing one of those mobile there are these Mobile hotspot and Wi fi extenders so basically they will extend your service and the three hundred and fifty bucks plus installation so. It's probably like five hundred bucks but but it might be one of those things that actually just boost off our signals to where we don't have to worry about that so you know there's just a lot of different options out there When it comes ms to Wi fi specifically And even the different versions of mobile hotspots there are So tethering from your phone might work for us. Sometimes it does. Sometimes it does So it's just all spotty in different depending on where we're at and we're in national parks we really don't care because we're out there to see nature term and because it's fun and then of course you have to get your basics. You're cleaning supplies. Your kids in organizational items toiletries And that actually brings me to our V.. Friendly Toilet paper. Don't use Sharman. I'm sorry Sherman but that stuff will clog up your RV so quick. I remember what I tried to use. You know sermon soft. I was so excited sided and it just clogged up so we had to pay someone to come out one hundred and fifty bucks to back Flush RV tank to get all the cluttered a toilet paper out so get used to not using the good stuff in the RV. You're definitely need to find your. RV friendly toilet paper Because you don't want to make a hundred and fifty dollar mistake because again. That's your resources at your money that you're traveling. We run out to dinner a couple of times multiple times with that But we had to spend it on back flushing. RV So don't make the same mistake as we did. There's a lot of brands of like. RV friendly toilet paper and honestly you. You can find these at camping. World's a lot of campsites actually carry. RV friendly toilet paper in the little mini camp store because they know that so important to your RV the system so you can when you're traveling through RV parks in different places. Walmart's you can actually find a lot of places that have friendly. RV Toilet Paper Roll along the road and the last thing. I really want to bring up our trailer hitches because they're so important when you're driving down the road so for for us we me nowadays. Just have our classy motor home and our scooter. But there's a specific thing that we have to put our scoot around. You know we have this motorcycle hedge so it just goes right into our hitch and then there's a ramp that we can put our scooter up in and then we use tie. Downs straps to tie-down or scooter. So that's one option of a trailer hitch Another trailer hitches. Their ball hitch. And those are the ones that you're gonNA ninety percent of trailers us They you know you just drop the trailer on it. Unlock it in you. Use Your latches and you can take off Plugging your electricals. That way. There's brake lights on your trailer. But then there's the fifth wheels like we talked about in the last boone docking with Brad which are in the middle of your truck so this wouldn't be an RV now this is not for our RV but this is to go into a truck so there's many different options for trailer hitches And our saving grace. This year was definitely the load bar. Sway Bar Combo This this little bar sway bar. Combo is like three hundred and fifty bucks but it just it saves your rear when you're driving eighty miles an hour down the road in your RV with the trailer behind it and then you get a big huge gust of wind like we did in Texas. I mean I still had to pull over. visit them feel safe. But I know for sure that this load bar sway bar. Combo really helped now with this. What does slowed bar sway? Bar Combo does is is it takes the load off of your rear wheels and it puts them more towards your front wheels making it more even not what a load bar does the sway bar with that does hooks up to your trailer and it makes your trailer doesn't sway back and forth or fishtail so while you're driving your you have complete control control over your vehicle. One thing that I learned is because I was pulling so much weight in our trailer this year is that we needed to get front shocks. That could hold up a better too so we actually blew out like our shocks on this year and so we Had to get those replaced. That was it was a cheap upgrade but basically now it's ready for the next time we ever have to pull a trailer behind us so there's a lot of little technicalities when you're towing behind A trailer like ah I mean this one had was probably at full capacity between the weight of our RV itself because you have to factor that into towing power for your engine. Your specific engineered chassis was like nine thousand pounds and I remember there was a point where between what our housing was or RV itself and the trailer behind. Find Us. Because you have to factor in the weight of the trailer itself. Even the tow bar hedge was like one hundred pounds The low bar. Combo is hundred. Pounds And then the weights. We had two pallets of Syrup which was another like five four or five thousand pounds so basically we had seven thousand impounds when I was done calculating it An eight thousand power pound to- limit and that's good because you don't want to push to your limit the whole time but we were only driving thing for like twenty hours with that and then dropped off one pallet and kept on going out north when we're heading to Las Vegas last year so there's definitely a lot of different for instances and you really need to make sure that you understand what your limits are for your vehicle and what they need so just because you have a classy doesn't mean you can tell whatever you want because it doesn't have the correct amount of power to actually pull those behind so then that leads you into maybe upgrading to that class. A. Diesel Or Class A gas. You know you do that but it's always better have diesel. It's definitely a better pusher. It's better for when you're going through the Blue Ridge mountains in the great smoky mountains. Or if you're going through the passes over Breckenridge Vail definitely want that diesel pusher because otherwise you're gonna be going up these at like forty forty miles an hour and it's gonNA drive you and everybody around you crazy so knowing your limits and how toe and where you're going is so important when traveling traveling but I guess that's something that will have to cover in a future episode boondock brand and Today I was really happy to be able to take you through the essentials that you need for. RV living just go a little bit more into understanding your RV specifically Understanding your needs and what it is that drives these beautiful homes across this country. You've been listening to park. Land a show about National Channel Parks Park Land as production iheartradio created by MAC. Cara Wak Brad Care. Whack and Christopher has Yoda's produced an edited by Mike. 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Private jets and climate change

The Current

20:40 min | 1 year ago

Private jets and climate change

"This is a CBC podcast. Matt Galloway. This is podcast from the January. Anuary twenty second edition of the current. This is not a time for pessimism. This is a time. For optimism to embrace the possibilities of tomorrow we must reject the perennial prophets of doom and their predictions of the apocalypse chiefs. At least one of those so-called prophets of doom was in the audience as Donald Trump gave that speech in Davos Switzerland the Swedish teen activist Greta Tune Berg. She gave a speech of her own yesterday. Calling for emissions to stop completely. Climate change is high on the agenda at the World Economic Forum. There is also no escaping the fact that many billionaires airs and world leaders who traveled there got to Switzerland aboard their own private jets even as climate warnings multiply the private aviation business is booming. A recent forecast asked predicts sales continue to rise by about seven percent this year. If you happen to be in the market for your own plane you might want to pay a visit to the jets business. It's a showroom on upper-crust Park Lane one of the most desirable streets in London freelance producer. Dave Dodd got a tour from founders. Steve Are Sano. So as I I come in. Come up these three steps and you have the couch with the Backgammon Board. People when they're traveling. That's something else to we do. Have a pop up TV. We have the chairs. And then if you go a little deeper we have these doors that separate the dining room slash slash conference room and in here. All the chairs are done in a carbon fiber and leather. Is this a win win. Deal is yeah we. We have a cabinet with the champagne fine wines this is what we call our trading for and as you can see each desk is a replica of a cockpit from one of the corporate jets so where normally the corporate jet has a copilot and the pilot seat but this is basically a single seat with the triple screens which is basically what you seat today in a corporate jet covering. Yeah it's actually. The leather is sort of like Bentley kid glove leather and then on walk past the trading four on the right side you have this humongous a video wall which is about forty feet wide and ten feet gene high and the screen is where we show our video our APP and it's a process where you can actually take a client from not knowing anything anything and fully educate them on the whole market and why you should buy a certain kind of an airplane. We had a lot of times. People say you know I really want my interior to be. Wow and I try to convince him. You don't want while here. You sit on an airplane sometimes for ten twelve hours. You don't WanNa be in a place like like that. It is a an environment to work in and relaxing. And if it's too I don't WanNA use the word obnoxious but if it's too loud or if it's to defining is sometimes it doesn't let you go that Space Steve Arsenault Good Morning Good Morning Davos World Economic Forum is underway right now. How many of those people flying into Davos this week do you think? But they're jets through you. I don't know I don't know everybody is going to be there but I did to read something that there's about one hundred billionaires that are gonna be at Davos and in the last two years. We've had about ninety seven billionaires in our showroom so there's probably a few them that are there that have definitely been to our office. You're talking to somebody who usually ends up on a plane at the back in steerage. I think what is it like to fly in a private jet It is definitely different. It is really a business tool. It's time machine. There are so many benefits of course people want to relate it to a luxury Korea item which it is of course but the reason people do choir. Airplanes is really to to manufacture time. You have flexibility in your schedule. You have security the F. confidentiality. So there's a lot of things that you'd benefit from from being in a corporate jet besides just the pure fact of being an immobile curious atmosphere when you describe it as a time machine. What do you mean by that? Well we've done analysis where a corporate executive. Let's say who FIS about four hundred dollars a year which which is about the best use of corporate that would give a corporate executive an additional sixty business days a year compared to if he had to fly on a commercial airline. So if you look at a company whose has hundreds of thousands of employs and they can take a chairman or presidency or whatever and and and another twenty percent of his year To be using to develop the company there's no value you can put that in a dollar term you have a storefront and and usually you associate storefronts with you know. I'M GONNA walk entering into by stationary. Here I'M GONNA walk. Maybe the cargo ships storefront and I might go test drive a car. Do people walk in off the street and buy a jet. Well you know they don't just walk in and say here's my credit card. I want to buy something that doesn't have. I wish it did but that being said we do have people who walk in off the street unannounced and sign mandates would actually represent them to buy or sell an airplane. First Time never met US before after go through the whole presentation we have it does happen. WHO's buying your planes high? Sixty percent of the people are Americans and You got about fifteen. Twenty percent of Europeans have five percent in Asia. Five percent in Africa too. That's the mix of where the corporate jets all around the world and that's about the mix of our our declined pace who has bought a plane from you can give us a name or to a lot of people don't like to be told who they are But one person doesn't minded. WHO's very well known North America's Tony Tony Robbins motivational speaker? And I'm sure you know who he is and he's a very well known in need just consider that he's changed a lot of people's lives but he actually thinks that this airplane acquisition changed his life. I'm not sure Tony Robbins spend on a private jet that I don't think he wants to tell anybody to take the names off of it. How much money are people spending on on the planes that you sell? It really has a really wide range but the majority of airplanes. I'd say in the longer range. Airplanes go from tend to thirty million dollars over thirty million dollars. What do I get? He get a fourteen passenger airplane. That could fly say faith twelve fourteen hours missile. Let's say from Los Angeles to London in a cabin that you can stand up and walk around. Not exactly a Boeing but they stand up six foot one cabin and we heard in the tour. I mean you can also have it kitted out and redesigned In any way that you want so thirty million dollars that's sort of the base price it's like buying a car and it doesn't come with Some the extra features I would need to spend more if I want those extra features. Now want the extra interior design while I'm talking about pre-owned aircraft so that all the new airplanes are much more expensive. The brand new Boeing or an Airbus like the one that was a tour given yesterday. That's about one hundred million dollars hundred million dollars you know so how. Many people are spending one hundred million dollars on a plane. Well that kind of an airplane is about two hundred and fifty of those in the world half of which are owned by heads of state. So you're talking about in the corporate world is only about one hundred twenty that are in throughout the whole world enter the AH people who have cashed in on something are they companies. That are doing well and they want the best for their CEO or for the president. I mean who who ends up spending that kind of money on. Well it's not it's really not having the best for the CEO and chairman and actually is a big corporate asset tool airplanes. Airplanes for a lot of corporations are necessary business tools but there are people who buy the jets. I mean it may not be for corporate use. They might for personal use as well right I. It's it's very very rare. I am telling you that nobody really buys a corporate jet for personal use. Nobody really buys a plan for for just a toy. This just doesn't doesn't have how much swagger is involved in this in terms of what people want immunity doors the corporate need. Is You say If you can figure out how to justify that but it's also a luxury item minutes. It's like an ultra luxury luxury luxury item. How much swaggers involved in in showing off what you have and how you've earned well? There is a factor that I guess you call. I bike because I can. And most of the time people do buy something way. Above what what their absolute need is but MS twenty one thousand jets in the whole world and of the twenty one thousand fifteen thousand what they consider smaller medium sized the jets a medium sized jet is basically the size of a minivan. It's really a transportation piece. How often does the issue of carbon emissions come up with your clients? It's it's starting to come up more and more now and people becoming more conscious of it and they do want to do something about it. There are some companies in programs that you can an easily by carbon footprint offsets. And it's not that expensive Believe it or not the whole airline industry contributes about two percent of the carbon footprint problem around the world and the corporate jet market is actually two percent of that two percent so it's only point zero four percent fan of the whole carbon footprint issue. It's not a big deal that we're contributing and in fact in the last Fifteen years they've reduced their carbon footprint by at sixty percent. But do any of your clients. Feel a disconnect between if they are interested in in carbon offsets the fact that they might want to purchase carbon offsets but they're purchasing private jet had yet but they still have to conduct business. I mean we are still living in the twenty first century and people do have to understand that. I'm not in the Stone Age and as much as we people people want to be able to save the Earth you still have to survive you have to live and you have to produce revenue for your shareholders and you just can't do that under some of these restrictions as you're doing this business in the business has been good but in the process of that business is your head over. Get scrambled with the fact that somebody wants to spend thirty forty fifty one hundred million nine dollars on a plane. I'm street guy from New Jersey and I've had to work for everything in my life. Nobody's giving me a thing and you know I. I still look at the value over dollar our every time I spent a penny and and ideal with the WHO's who around the world. I can't say that it's mind boggling. Because obviously I've become I'm used to it a little bit over the years but these people the industry's at running and the values of the companies and the number of people they employ in what they're adding to the world. Economy's IT'S A pittance to change purchase. Something like that. In order to produce a business at producing Steve Are Saunas. Great to talk to put this is fascinating. Thank you thank you very much. Steve or Sano is the founder and CEO of the Jet Business and helps clients buy and sell private jets as he mentioned. You do hear plenty of celebrities. Liberties and business executives the very ones who are using those private jets talking about their concerns when it comes to climate change and this is something that walking Phoenix called out recently the Golden Globes. It's really nice that so many people have come up and sent their well wishes source Julia but sometimes we have to take that responsibility on ourselves and make changes ages and sacrifices in our own lives. We don't have to take private jets to palm springs for the war sometimes or back. Please and I'll tell you do better. And I hope you able to thank you so much for guzzling has been looking into the impact. Private jets have on climate change. And how the habits of the super-rich shape our attitudes about flying. He's a professor assertive tourism at Villanova University in Sweden Stefan. Good Morning Damani. We heard Steve or sauna. They're saying that The private jet business is not a big deal. When it comes to the contribution it makes to Greenhouse Gases in the the whole carbon emission issue how much do we know definitively about the role that private jet travel would play in emissions. Well I think it's a question of perspective If you want London is just point. Zero zero one percent of global emissions Peres's just point zero zero one percent of emissions so in some sense all of them are irrelevant And one could argue but I think you have to take it The other way round the question is how does each and every individual in the world contribute to climate change and that should be the point of measurement. How does that compare your flying in a private jet? How does it compare to flying commercial? Well that depends on the jet itself off There can be an order of magnitude or more in terms of impact that is Edit to what would cause if you flew so in in a regular jet just to say this if you fly Konami offer classes already affected too in other words. If you fly first class you would admit twice twice as much as Somebody flying economy class so whenever you use a private jet the emissions would be in comparison the World Economic mkx forum is underway right now and a lot of the people as we mentioned who are there a have flown in on private jets the forum talking a lot of climate change in the climate crisis and announced that Private jets that are flying into the airport in Zurich will be able to use what's known as sustainable aviation fuel it produces apparently fewer emissions and They'll also be offering the chance for participants to buy carbon offsets for their private jet travel. Are those measures useful in dealing with Emissions well I I was. There is no sustainable jet fuel so it might be a future proposition but nobody is actually producing anything. That is even less carbon not speak of zero carbon fuel if you've wanted that A major major Investment would have to be made in order to even produce a tiny amount over the next years so all of this to me is much green rhetoric. It's not weedy the kind of action I would like to see. Somebody buys carbon offsets to assuage their guilt. That's about it. It's not really doing anything meaningful you say. Well most of the common offsets you Kim by on the market and then I actually boarded large scale by the aviation industry. Is Forest projects. Look at Australia. Look at California I think everybody everybody will realize that. It's not a really safe way of storing carbon We need something then goes beyond this. Hi I'm Jamie plus on for the last decade I've been a newspaper reporter and lately I'm just finding it hard to keep up with the news as of today. Simple possession of marijuana is no longer illegal it can be hard hard to make sense of. Things spent nine hours in the consulates their own murder. I want to change that at least a little. Join me weekdays at six. Am for front burner at daily podcast from CBC News. Subscribe now wherever you get your podcast. You did this research paper tracking the private jet habits of celebrities in particular. What did you find in that work? What we found that the average celebrity that we looked into what caused emissions ten thousand times greater than the average human being ten thousand times? Ten Thousand Times. Yes that does not even consider the nuncio tweet affects When when you fly cause additional global warming compared to surface bond traffic That is because flight attitudes The emissions causing have different impacts on the climate and That obviously as the means that whenever people fly that has a very significant impact on the atmosphere who were the WHO are the super meters when it comes to those celebrities. Well we only looked into ten people really and the most Pronounce Liar. Was Bill Gates in this case We I do know that These people are not Perhaps even sticking out in terms of emissions caused by individuals because there's larger aircraft partially used. We just took that in the Interview before That there's Boeing's being used as private aircraft obviously much larger emissions associated with that We also know that people fly lots a lot more than those people. We studied in our case up to Seventy seventy seventy seven flights. It's per year but we know from studies that people fly up to three hundred times per year So I I would say these people are not even sticking out when when it comes to uh-huh Bill Gates is interesting because obviously founded Microsoft Microsoft just announced that it wants to be carbon negative by twenty thirty. He's also somebody who has has been a vocal supporter of carbon capture technology. How do we square that? With the fact that he uses a private jet to get around any action in in the direction of climate. Change mitigation as well come So I'm not anyone who would like to point a finger at Big Who certainly has done great things. Thanks but The other thing is that we need to See Action that actually makes a difference. We have talked the talk for all too long for decades. Really really and It's it's too late at this stage to continue that so I'd be happy when people I can make a difference investments for actual change in when we see those new technologies that would be great but for the moment. I think it needs a lot more pressure on these people to actually make them act on what they're saying in part because as is your research shows it's about what they do but it's also how we model what they do. Tell me about that. But how what. The influences that those celebrities super emitters would have the rest of us. Well the issue with The celebrities V studied in our paper is that they are obviously famous people who Live specific lifestyles. That they are admired for and If you think about someone like Jennifer Lopez with Perhaps one hundred ten and million twitter followers you can imagine that whatever these people tell us about their lifestyle about what is admiriable and desirable bull then Many people will try to imitate copy. Live up to that kind of model so whenever you see this kind of image that is posted on in some social media channel of someone taking another dip in some maybe Caribbean Kind of pool Mother Sandy Beach. That visited that automatically becomes the role model that most people would love to to follow and that becomes something that is problematic tick because the opposite the social norm change towards people being more critical about flying in trouble. And yet we heard you know walking Phoenix's comments just which went all around the world. The comments he made the Golden Globes in the remaining seconds that we have does that idea of a flight shaming actually work to get people to think differently about their habits. It does We see that in Sweden. We see that. In Germany people have started to fly less Mostly evident from domestic air travel numbers. That happened plummeting limiting over the last month. When the last year so walking Phoenix's comments could actually do some good to get people perhaps to think differently about that if he wants to be an NFL? Definitely I'm very happy the Took this up. And he's the first to actually Deviate from the social norm by telling people that they have to change to. I don't know whether he flew coach Or flew commercial back from the Golden Globes in Palm Springs or not but his comments certainly got a lot of attention stefan. It's good to speak with you. Thank you thank you Stefan. Gosling is a professor. Her of Tourism Atlanta's university in Sweden currently based in Freiburg. Germany your thoughts on this welcome in the issue of flight shaming something that a lot of people are talking about celebrities. And otherwise is you can reach us at C._B._C.. Dot C._A. Slash the current or on twitter for more C._B._C.. PODCASTS GO TO C._B._C.. Dot C._A. Slash podcasts.

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Free Spy Walk: Cold War Mayfair

Spies of London

42:23 min | 4 months ago

Free Spy Walk: Cold War Mayfair

"Welcome despise of london. If you're taking this walk in person and actually walking around mayfair as you listen to this recording you should start in grosvenor square. The eagle squadrons memorial is towards the center of the square. Just on the south side near what used to be the millennium hotel from eagle squadrons. You can see the millennium hotel which were mentioned a second the old american embassy with a big bronze ego maruf and a number of other buildings which used by eisenhower and other americans in the war so grosvenor square is always been associated with on the east side. There is the tribute to nine eleven memorial. Peace garden that tab event. The embassy moved now and will become a hotel soon. Wisconsin building sign even the millennium hearts. How has its own stories. The interesting thing about my fair is that there are no tube station so the nearest and best way to get to grow on the chew is to come into long straight on the to nine and then walk west and south to get to the squadrons. Her bosses look at you and to bourbon spanish well twenty thousand and parkland and i think partly because of this positive public transport no tubes very few buses and the it's bounded on the north side box straight from the south side by cadila on the west by par lay. You tend to get a natural low in the ninety five area off the beaten track in a much noticeable quiet area of central really central. Some people say the most expensive postcode in one apartment in easy costume and so it's very granbury old area of london but not as an we'll be walking through shattered mockumentary but it has a lot of history especially postwar history and cold boisterous. Well partly this is because it's exotic location led to many embassies coming here so you've got the saudi arabia embassy legend the war the former. Us embassy. i mentioned qatar. Many others egypt several others on the walk down to curzon street and it's proximity to park lane gives a certain grandeur well hyde park beyond so grosvenor square is one of my favorite of the old squares in london. It's fabulous at every time of year in the spring. It's his got leaves coming into the trees and it really closes in on you as a green area and then in winter the leaves disappear in the parker out again. And if you go in autumn you get that great british or tunnel leaf carpet which you can trudge through and then later in the winter it will get very crisp and clear you get some very sunny cold days. I've done this work on. Boxing day and at christmas when it's very cold but clear and sunny and i have to say i think a cold war walk in particular is best done on a freezing cold sunny day when you can see your breath as he leaves your mouth so eagle squadrons is one of the many tribute to the american involvement in world war. Two and you should read the plaque on the squadron's memorial. Before you leave this area. So i set the scene for you just to mention that. This is a virtual tour. So you're not to feel guilty if you are not walking anywhere if you're on a beach in some hots exotic location even better if you were in london but not wanting to travel this year. That's fine but i've also set this up so that you can do the work if you want to. And although i'm going to try and describe the directions it's very likely if your sense of directions like mine that you might take a wrong turn or two so what afternoon as well is produced public google maps with eight two for locations marked on so you can use google maps to wander around and you just line up the google maps list with the podcast easy. So hey we are the square We'll have a little walk around here on the way to the next stop and i'll get to walk past the american embassy because you can get much closer to it now. The dollar security paraphernalia has been taken away. Okay so we don't need to walk anywhere for the first stop on the talk. If you're facing eagle squadrons with the american embassy on your left you need to turn around and face the hotel you can see through the gates ahead of you now. This used to be the cop. Thornhill lenham hotel. But it's now being refurbished partly as a result of the americans moving out in the luxury hotel into that building but also no doubt partly because of our first story and if you know anything about recent history now this is a cold war. Walk my contention will a that. The cold war never ended but recent history. Going back to two thousand six you might remember the case of alexander. Litvinenko in yanko was distant. Who settled in london and worked with his friends including the billionaire. Oligarch boris berezovsky to investigate and expose what he saw as contentious behaviors by the russian government. Although litvinenko had been in line for many years in october two thousand six he became a full british citizen with a british passport and he was hired to both two friends that now we had a british passport and was effectively legally british. The kgb would not dare to try and kill him. This prove to be optimistic on the first of november two thousand six litvinenko was in london on business. He lived in north london but it was in central and on business. Boris off skits office was in mayfair and he went to its sue. Sushi bar in piccadilly tomato intel journalist friend later on in this millennium hotel. You can see before you. He met a couple of russian francis. He saw them former colleagues from the fsba. Unbeknownst to living enco they had put some polonium a radioactive chemical into the teapot and they got him to drink the take after leaving anco had finished meeting his friends and junk not. He went around the corner to see boris berezovsky and went to various locations in london. Before heading home is live. Inco died a few weeks later in a london hospital with no and it soon became apparent in fact it only became apparent adele to before he died after all the tests have been run that they finally realized the poison that was killing him was polonium and the reason they check that so reluctantly and so late is because it's virtually unknown in the wild and it can only be made in a nuclear reactor therefore it had to have been made by nuclear power and the most obvious assumption. After that is that it would be russia. Polonium does have industrial applications or at least the article ones in making anti starting materials. It's a really source of alpha radiation laboratory and it can be used In space probes as well however the most common use for it is as a poison now. Interestingly although at the time this seemed like a very sophisticated assassination where polonium was brought into the uk surreptitiously and not discovered. It was introduced into a teapot drunk by the victim and then two villains who administered this poison left the country and they trail unraveled only months later when there were safety back in russia this starts looked like a professional situation. A professional tempt putting fatty was the third. Try the two. Assassins that also brought polonium to the uk on the sixteenth of october and the twenty fifth of october and it was only on their third attempt that they managed to successfully meet finian and having the now a lot of this is available on. The internet is a really great podcast recently featuring the piano man from the millennium hotel which you can find on the sky news website. So i don't want to go into this in too much detail. If i was on the wall i might go into a little bit more detail than this. But i think in the podcast situation very welcome to go and check the details of this story or self so i thought i would focus instead on some details which i found out later. One of the things is that polonium is named after the country poland. Which is the home country of marie curie and she was the person who discovered polonium one thousand nine hundred ninety eight but also something very interesting happened for months after leaving code died in march. Two thousand seven a man called paul joyal was shot in maryland. Usa now joya did not die. It's never been proven exactly who tried to kill him. But it's interesting that it happened just days. After he blamed the kremlin for the murder of alexander litvinenko anti had strong ties to russia. Joel and was known in the russian expatriate community in maryland. So if you add all of this together plus the evidence from its sushi from millennium hotel from the three british planes which had to be decontaminated and the fact that one of the or at least what off the two assassins fell sick with polonium poisoning. Shortly after he returned to russia. You have the inescapable fact that the russian secret service successfully murdered a british citizen on british soil in broad daylight. If that wasn't enough to persuade you that the cold war has not ended remember. Sergei skripal novichok much more recently sergei skripal and his daughter survived but only just and a british woman did die inadvertently in that attack. The cold war is very much. Still hot okay. So on that cheery note. We proceed through grosvenor square. If you walk straight through the gardens towards the large building that takes up the entire west side of the square. You will find that. This is the former american embassy. They used to be flags out here in one corner. Probably on your left towards the south side of the square. You will see the statue of ronald reagan. This belongs to britain and is not to be moved equally because the structure of the building is listed. The eagle on the roof is not to be moved either so they will remain in a few years after this has turned into a top luxury hotel. It's a building site at the moment. So spend their time here. Walk south into maitha so the street that we're going to walk down. It's called south orderly street and it does indeed head south towards cousin straight to the south side of maitha about a third of the way down south. Audley straight on your right is a gun shop. A famous gun shop cold per day and it's on the corner of mount st now. We normally stop on the opposite connor to purdy. I always try and stop on the opposite side of the street because then you can see what we're looking at more clearly if you're too close you can't quite see it clearly enough. Normally get people to work on south audley the street crossover at the lights and stand outside the pub so that you are only so that you are diagonally so that you ought diagonally opposite gun shop and the reason we stop a purdis gun shop is that it appears in john. Kerry's book the secret pilgrim. Here's an extract now from the secret pilgrim. The situation is that i. Six have been tracking a foreign prince a middle eastern prince who perhaps might be slightly large around the mayfair and making sure he doesn't cause a diplomatic incident his john day to had been spent hanging around mount st while fatboy had himself measured for a pair of purdy shotguns. First precariously brandishing a try gun. That's a practice test gun around the premises then throwing a tantrum. When he discovered he would have to wait two years before they were ready. And then later on. They're watching fat again from van outside a shuttered. Whorehouse here in south audley street the whole houses of south audley street are not widely advertised. Not obvious on this walk. But the interesting thing to me is that john kerry when he worked for my five worked in the building that you'll be seeing h. On this wall like field housing kuzma street. So john's lunch times would have been spent himself hanging around south orchestrate incurs street and therefore many of the locations in his earlier books and his perhaps most famous books tend to be from mayfair. More later now. The reason i liked per is because yes. The guns are intricate and expensive and highly regarded both as weapons for country shooting and as works of art in terms of the fine metalwork on them in the the woodwork on them but they also do a nice range of clothes racks jackets and so on and this shop is just great fun to look around his really old fashioned and traditional and just everything that makes mayfair great is exemplified by visit to purchase gunshop however however we are not going down south audley street we have we have a date in mount street gardens so we are heading east along mount straight past all the shops in the fancy restaurants. And on the right you will see an estate agents and passage along the side of the estate agents. Which takes you into mount street gardens. Sometimes as georgia's gardens and when you walk through first of all let me say it's even more of a favourite with me than grosvenor square gardens because it smaller. It's more intimate. It's sort of l-shaped which means you get little heidi corners here but also because eight is famous for kgb activity and you will see straight away and since georgia's gardens. Their high number of benches wooden benches many of which new would not have been there during the cold war however many of them were there during the cold war. And i've got information. That and i quote the second bench on the rights was used as a kgb signaling system to communicate with spies now the wrestlemania benches now that it's difficult to understand the second bench on the right. But i believe is one of the benches around in the center of the gardens. Not the ones around the edge on the straight path. Not near the fountain beyond that. I can't be sure but what this does allow me to explain. Is the first part of a dead letter book system or dead drop now. The good thing about dead letterbox as the did allows a spy to pass information typically documents to an agent without ever seeing the agent and therefore without having to synchronize that movements in any great precision so the idea raised that you agree a location hidden behind a brick or under a bench and you put the documents behind the brick. The set time and then with an hour to the person goes and collects them. And then if you really want to you can go back lateral jaggard. they've gone. This is great until the enemy discovers the location. And then all they have to do a stakeout location for a few weeks and catch whoever is found that deposing documents or collecting documents so this was adapted with a system of chalk. Marks used to signal when the coast was clear. And that's where the benches come in. So we don't know. Or i don't know exactly where the the hidden brick or the maybe in the fountain under the fountain somewhere else in the gardens. Probably not in these gardens at toll but the bench was for the first child mark. So the person who had a document to transfer put put a mark on the back of the bench his friend would then come along later and check chalk is there which means that there is something to collect with them. Proceed to the hidden location somewhere else. We collect document and then when he to signal that the document has been cleared and there was a lamp post on south orchestrate which will travel to in a second which was used for the second signal to show that the document had been cleared from the dead letterbox and then afterwards h person would rebuffed chalk mark and with the fact of the beginning. So what this does is. It produces at least three locations. It's the the bench. The dead letterbox itself and lamppost allows you to check and double check and triple check that. The coast is clear before during and after the drop this takes a lot of time. but it's virtually foolproof. Is very unlikely that you would have been followed to all three locations without noticing lead been followed and of course if necessary you can add further steps along the chain depending on how secret document might be. I really like these gardens. The bench was definitely used by the kgb. We have this from people who've been captured or been naturalized likely vinko wants to become british citizen literal. We will now leave the gardens back towards south street in the west seal their past the mayfair library and take a left onto south street and the lamppost is harder to find now. It's outside number. Two orderly square or the square is not a square and it's been boarded up for some years. Because there's a massive redevelopment project going on behind some body areas but is next to the women's social club fe famously. One of the few social clubs exclusively for women and you should find it fairly easily bought. This is one that. It's very hard to describe so take a look on google maps. Women get lamppost again. There would be a chalk mark in blue or white just above head height and somebody would walk past brush past mark the lump host and there was a figure of eight on the lump person it would be just below there then later on. The chalk is removed. It's checked triple checked. And then they go back can remove the mark from the bench and that recess the system so this was laborious. it was difficult but it was virtually foolproof. Typically the paperwork would have been stolen from one of the many embassies in this area. There are very many in mayfair. Park lane curzon street. Even today and the perhaps we're even more back then so it was very easy to steal a document mark the lump postmark the bench take it to the dead letter. Drop lever there for cultivars check his gun and then back to work after lunch or in the next morning so in this. First part of the mayfair cold walk we started in grosvenor square gardens. We saw the old american embassy. We saw purdis gun shop and we saw mount street gardens and the lamp post on south. Audley street in the next part will be looking at the headquarters of am i five at the time infield house shepherd market and a very famous book shop called heywood hill now for a long time. I used to take a detour down. One of the side streets out to the egyptian embassy talked about the five. Kgb traitors burgess maclean. Kim philby antony blunt and the fifth man. John ken cross but there is an earlier spies of london. Episode called stalin's englishman. About guy burgess and friends. So i won't cover that in too much detail here and it has nothing to do with the egyptian embassy but if you do like embassies if you have a particular relationship with egypt it's worth taking a quick look down the side street marked on google maps and then as you come back you'll be going past the qatari embassy as well. I used to set this up as a game for people i said. Stop when he gets the qatari embassy in everybody always walked past it and the reason for making this point is not the small of the country or the the week of the relationship with britain or the newer the relationship with britain the smaller. The embassy tends to be so north. Korea famously is a semi detached house in surrey somewhere. Qatar is quite grand but neither qatar egypt or anything close to the american or saudi arabian embassy as particularly the saudi one. Which i find most fascinating. So if you do like the cambridge spies the cambridge five. Please do look at the earlier episode in spite of london which covers them all in great detail so we come to the favorite stretch for me on this war because you come down to the end of south oakley straight. The t-junction is onto curzon street. Turn left onto curzon street. And very soon you'll see a nice looking but fairly nondescript office building and over the main entrance he will see the sign for lack infield house now. I was always very anxious about stopping outside the front door hair especially during office hours. This is quite busy. Entrance used to take people down the side of the building onto chesterfield gardens. And there you can quite easily touch the stonework that used to be the headquarters of m. i five. It was wet. David cornwell on the carrier used to work guy. Little and maybe other famous names including thomas harris more later still great thing about second field. House is the history of the spy. Writers john bingham john kerry of all works there so it's not much of a leap to imagine that their early works. You know the spies that were in those books based effectively lacombe field house. It's why a lot of early john. The carrier books have locations around curves streets in south audley street in mayfair and it makes it really dramatic for me especially on the walk to imagine these guys at the time. Just normal agents john bingham i think account on his career as a writer. And that's how john kerry knew him. People say that. John bingham is the basis for george smiley but they were fairly normal agents at the time working for the british government in an office in london. Nothing to exotic about it and looking at the building today does absolutely nothing exotic about it. It's really nice building but it's not as grand as house the current headquarters and it's not on the scale of fox or cross the six headquarters either on westminster walk. We look at the new building which was opened in ninety four. And compare it to the old one. Broadway where jonah keri work later on in his career and they are vastly different in scale and scope. Ashley prefer the old ones. But that's a personal preference so the other good thing about letting field house is it's and my five was based when spycatcher the author of spycatcher chipita rodriguez was suspicious of his boss. Hollis and he thought that hollis was a russian spy elope p to wright. Wrote the book with a grudge against. Am i five effectively. There was some disagreement over pensions and pails at the end of his career. And the book has largely been discredited. It was very famous in the eighties because it was banned but it was not banned in australia. Got published their copies leaked over here. I've read it. It's a riveting rate is a fascinating book but it is the book of somebody who is absolutely obsessed with finding moles and spies behind every cupboard. Although it will be easy to blame. Peter right and say know as a fantasist. I actually honestly believed that the environment that these people working especially in these years when the world really moles and trading around kim philby worked fieldhouse to these people were real. They were traitors. they did exist and they were trying to work against britain america. And of course you've got five moles you think will why was necessary or seven or eight or nine and you start looking for them and then you think everybody suspicious and this is exactly why the trae to why. The mole is so pervasive. Why so attractive in culture in books and films because the traitor the liar is your friend your colleague the person next door the boss the wife the boyfriend the traitor is everybody. The traitor is normal and the tried to go to lengths to show normal. They are and it becomes a can become paranoid fantasy and peter right definitely fall into that company world to. He was famous because he wrote about it. And because the book and you can look alike and build house on the internet you can compare it to thames house. The new am i five headquarters at his quite clear that today's my five a significantly bigger than the mid five. Why talking about if he was standing where i on this walk. You are on the corner of cousin straight and chesterfield gardens and at number six chesterfield gardens. You will be looking at the house of thomas harris now. Thomas house is a fascinating character is not british but he was involved in operation fortitude and other double cross episodes. His job with many of this was to pretend the germans. That d day was going to happen near calais and not in normandy. This was a very intricate fe. Detailed disinformation campaign which was ultimately successful and helped to ensure the success of data in the normandy landings. Thomas harris was half british half spanish now. Interestingly he used to host drinks evenings for philby burgess blunt and who else aneurin bevan one of the politicians of the time. Also victor rothschild guy little in dick white later himself. The head of my five and i six. I from potassium unique. That only one person has been the head of both services. This group was not chesterfield. Gardens mafia because it was so close to the office. Perhaps that's why thomas harris rented. The house is a very large grant house terrace. But it's got a ornate entrance way. And today they're worth millions and billions of pounds back then there would have been less expensive but it does show that these guys had money. Victor rothschild of course famous part of the child dynasty. These people were either rich themselves or senior politicians influential in the british civil service. Aristocrats sons of ice to crats philby's father went to westminster school as phillipi himself. They were very well to do. Well heeled high class. British men from the establishment and chesterfield gardens is absolutely in the heart of mayfair an establishment property. I love walking down chesterfield. Guns always ferrario lamborghini outside. I think very few of these occupants would know about the history of this house. And thomas harris thomas harris tied to violent death a lot of the spies went off the rails. Burgess was a drunk philby himself suffered with immense pressures and stresses. Many of them died before that time. So had chesterfield gardens. We've had lek field house and after like infield house if you come back out onto cousin street and walked down curzon street to the cousins cinema crossover so they get standing outside the cinema and turnarounds that looking at what looks like at the middle east and palace you're looking at the middle east and palace the embassy of saudi arabia. It's the grandest of all in mayfair. In my is much grander even than the american embassy. It's got a you in and out drive. It's always got armed police on the gates and sometimes opposite because they rent offices opposite as well near the cinema. It is highly guarded by the saudis by the british police. And it's very grand. You can stand on the corner of the curzon cinema. Look into the embassy and they have open days therapy. You can go around and take a look when i was starting this walk. The saudis had not been norte for number of years and now of course we have the merger of khashoggi. We have other suspicious. Activity is we have to shake down in the hotel. There's a real power struggle going on in saudi perhaps partly because of the loss of oil revenue the changing dynasty. Perhaps because these things happen flow. Anyway saudi is in the news again at the moment. It's worthwhile taking that in thinking about that and then turning back to the curzon cinema and this is the point. Why sometimes talk about in fleming. I do have a book on ian fleming by andrew. Lisette which. I'm going to be reviewing in a future episode so i wouldn't say too much about him but it's interesting to me that the curzon cinema the bond film and all the other films that have been shown here is right in the heart of diplomatic mayfair. Right in the heart of the cold war. Now if you walk down the side street with a cinema behind you you will eventually come to a blue plaque up on the left. I think is blue. It could be green. But it's the sign for shepherd market and it shows that this is a very old part of mayfair. But not as old as you might think if you walk into shepherd market. I normally crossover in between the restaurants by the post box and you can walk through restaurants where they set out in the courtyard in in the corridor. They're very much like a european city where they're expecting good weather there's warnings and canapes and so on and you walk straight ahead eventually will come to a phone box and if you stop at the phone box you can sort of spin around and take a look. At the old market buildings. It was an indoor market not an outdoor market and the market dole's happened inside the central Building it's very large warehouse type building. A why are we stopping in shepherd. Well it has a long history. Patrick lee firmer. The famous zoe agent had a flat hair when he came to london. Marcus pimm in john. Kerry's a perfect spy had a flat hair. Jeffrey archer at a prostitute. Here the one he subsequently lied about and went to prison over and it was the subject of a famous book and film at the time. The greenheart by michael arlen. And i'll be reading from the green hat. You can get a flavor of shepherd market especially as you not standing there necessarily today while you listen to this and the reason. Shepherd market is so crucial to mayfair is. Because it's the site of the mayfair. Yes london's fair in may on may day the with the may pole and the most dancers and the may queen london's mayfair took place in shepherd market before the market was here in the sixteen eighty on the james the second so shepherd market originally is where it shepherd market average shepherd market as it was originally gave. Its name may fat. The region later on edward shepherd came along in the mid seventeen hundreds and built the market buildings and set it up as a market mike allen the writer himself lift opposite the grapes. Which you'll see in a few minutes as we walked towards curzon straight again mama cass from the muslim peppers and kaethe moon both died here so to help you much shepherd market. If you're not actually walking this route. I thought a few sentences from page three of the greenhouse. It'd be interesting. A michael allen states shepherd market is a collection of lively odors bounded on the north side by curzon street on the south side by piccadilly on the west side by harvard street on the east side by half moon street and rejoices therefore in the polite direction of mayfair as you will see printed on the note paper of any of its residence. Flower shop which was opened in our lane lived for only six months and that in spite of the god dania gallantly affected by the old nobleman from curzon street. Every day i after having lived here six years. I'm by the grace of god leaving on the moro so i think michael makes sound beautiful. It's an absolutely prime location. There's a florist. Those bars and restaurants is a sociable place. But it wouldn't have been quite as upmarket as it is now and it's not a market now relative to mayfair. It's definitely much more accessible. Perhaps working-class loan bachelor looking to be aspire to be able to afford a flat here now wouldn't be able to afford to rent a fly here now but it's definitely not got the grandeur of the rest of mayfair but even then the novelist the the narrator here is happy to be leaving mayfair happy to believing shepherd market and there is something sinister about the place. It's a place for social meeting and interaction but also for spying. Depression and a lot of the spooks would debrief. They're spies and agents in rooms above shepherd market social on the ground floor sinister upstairs and i think that's how i like to think of it. We will be walking past the grapes. Heading up towards heywood helen. Trump has baba's. There is a really good jonah. Keri story to come and then the walk proceeds past so talent back down to green park station. You will now walk east along. The main footpath few shepherd market and you will soon see the grapes pub upon the left. Take a left of the grapes. Walking north northbound to curzon street on your left you will see. Max brothers. The red bookshop. Now i'd like you to stop outside my brothers and look across the road across curzon street. He will see hayward hell on your left and gio f. Trump has barbas on your right. The reason for stopping here is that. I believe this must be where john kerry stopped when he was thinking of the same in tinker tailor soldier spy when george smiley meets roddy martindale george. Smiley is clearly to carry his best known character. He was played by alec. Guinness in the tv series in the seventies and by gary oldman in the recent feature film naughty martindale as the drunk who likes long lunch and not exactly george smileys normal cup of take and they bump into each other. Quite accidentally so smile is on his way to heywood hill bookshop to sell an old grandma's house and german novel in german. I think it's a first edition. The reason he's doing this is that his divorce from an lady and smiley is taking a long time and she seems to have control of the bank accounts so he's only access to ready. Cash is to start selling off his rebel collection so he has walked from by water. Street in chelsea is home through the rain book under his arm and he's about to arrive at heywood hell so i believe he would have either emerged from the archway. You now stand all probably from along curzon street from the west and he's about to cross over towards heywood hill to go in and roddy comes out of trump has having had his haircut probably had a few bottles of wine already. He shouts george. They have a conversation. Roddy encourages george off to a nearby restaurant syrup. Could well have been in shepherd market behind you one of the many restaurants that you've seen there. They have a long lunch. That goes off into the evening and george smiley accidentally leaves the rare book in the restaurant. Need doesn't collect it until the end of the book. He never made it to heywood hill day and the rest is history as they say he goes on the mole hunt. The rest of the book is quite clearly. Based on kim philby so george never made it into hayward hell heywood hill is famous for many reasons you might be able to see the blue plaque which shows that nancy mitford worked there. One of the famous mitford sisters a famous novelist and of course the sister of unity. Who had a relationship. With that of hitler and the sister of diana who married oswald moseley so heywood hale has its own literary back story there. It's cold war and indeed world war two backstory and it has a secret place a special place in the stories of john kerry. I suspect john le carre had his hack. Trump has and bought a few books in haywood hell when he was working field house just on the road. This is my favorite spot on the walk. We're nearly at the end now. There's only one official stop left. I like it. Because i can quite easily imagine than the young john. Carre building up his archive of scenes and locations. Ready for his first book or indeed tailor was well into his career. But girls hausa and trumpers haywood hell. These places. parties appear in many of his works. So take a last look at heywood. Hell take a look through the window at max brothers which has some really rare and very valuable items in that and then walk along curzon street to the east and take a right down half moon straight. Now you'll walk almost the end of half moon street certainly beyond halfway. You will walk past the hilton key on the right side the west side of the streets that you can see the flemings hotel clearly. There has often been a lot of building work going on here. It still As the boundary of shepherd market is still very highly sought after location. You'll see it's a fairly quiet straight even though you can see piccadilly running along the end at the south so it's being redeveloped but fleming's hotel has been here from very many years. It's nothing to do with. The inflaming is famous espionage circles. The hotel is very nice. We actually did the photo shoot in the bar of the hotel for the first set of spy walks that i did with airbnb. And it's a really nice bar. It's a basement bar and it's called monitors. These are all very interesting things because a basement bar has no windows. And therefore it was used by people like vera atkins to meet her spies. Her agents and debrief them before they perhaps went off for a long meeting in one of the flats and offices around shepherd market so menendez was attractive because it had no windows. But what i found when we're doing the photo shoot for the spy walks was it has no phone reception either so we had to keep going outside to get the photographers cell. So we can talk to him. And so i find interesting that there's a bar with no windows and no cell phone signal way you can meet. Spies right in the middle of london just off piccadilly fleming's hotel is also interesting because it was the home of bertie wooster and the christie house connections to the hotels. Well they believe it is the model for bertram hoteling agatha christie. Although other hotels claim that credit as well the likelihood is that i she did stay here when she was in london quite often that at least some elements of this hotel. The looking at today have made it into her stories as part of bertram although she is not a spy writer us such you do find a crossover between mystery stories on spying. A lot of spy. Novels are actually mystery novels. That happened to have some espionage content. If you believe anything on wikipedia you will know that. Bertram hotel is popularly believed to have been inspired by brown's hotel however the oxford dictionary of national biography. That suggests fleming's because agatha christie was known to stay at fleming's fleming's is one of my favorite hotels in this area. Because it's so little known it's kind of you have to be in a certain group of people to really know about it. They might disagree. It's been there for over one years. I think it's been on this site since it opened in eighteen fifty one. It certainly is old enough building and it looks like it could have been and they really play up. Their spike connections to bar is lovely. It's a really nice place to finish the walk. What we never did on the airbnb walk was actually going for drink because the cocktails are a little expensive but if you have to budget if your hair traveling to the uk on holiday it's definitely worth going in and getting a beer or cocktail in mineta's bar in the basement of fleming's before i had my world to walk also used to talk here about christina scar back. Because she was one of the agents vera atkins would have run and probably met in this hotel and the wonderful biography of christina by clan. Malay- is definitely worth a read. I will be reviewing that book. The spy who loved by clem molly in a future episode of spies of london. But i mention it because this whole war can indeed. Most of my walks are about a time a period of time when all the spies and agents woman but talking about. Soa is a chance to talk about the women because most of the man who were able to were fighting in the regular army navy and royal air force in the second world war and so the women got left behind they were meant to be making tanks and missiles but some of them especially the foreign women. The people who left france eastern europe in extremely dangerous circumstances wanted to get home and they want to get home as quickly as possible and it didn't want to be planting potatoes and people like christina scar back. Who was almost an olympic level. Skier was an absolute modern day. Pero of she put herself in danger many times and many of their atkins agents were women. Many of them were executed by the germans when they were captured. There is an. so memorial in lambeth. We might cover that in the forthcoming city of london. Walk fleming's has that part in in the history. It's not near the offices. But it was used by vera and others and it does give me a chance to mention that particularly during the war not so much afterwards but during the war was the first time when women were put into these non uniformed dangerous situations pretty much of their own free will in many cases. They felt like they had a duty to liberate their own countries. But they're also british women who put themselves forward as well he didn't want to do is say factory job. The story of christina in particular is worth a look. Christina died a violent death in london after the war. and. I think that it's worth remembering people. Thomas harris who as well who also died a violent death these people sought out danger partly because they were drawn to the danger but also to help everybody else and to help win the role. So i'm not happy notes. I wish you good morning good afternoon. Enjoy the rest of the day. Make your way south to green park station. If you are doing wolf rail and you will find the jubilee line waiting for you or there are many many buses that run along with appealing to older actions. This walk freely available as a podcast. However can also go to spies of london dot uk to see more articles and information and to sign up for the newsletter and free compliment. I am available for hire private groups full bachelor and bachelorette parties in the hatton both days and then a special occasion people are less nervous when they're in a group of friends that they know and they ask more questions. And that's one thing. I'm missing on these podcasts. Sisley interaction questions. 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203 | Brenda Starr And Linda Love Rob A Bank

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203 | Brenda Starr And Linda Love Rob A Bank

"What's most impressive to me. Is that these. Two women managed to spend at least thirty five thousand dollars in two days. They timed it just after. Dahmer car dropped off the cash for so they knew what schedule was for the bank. If you type two diabetes. Managing your blood glucose spikes as key that's easier said than done pendulum glucose control is a safe natural medical probiotic clinically proven to lower a one. C and blood glucose spikes and is designed for the dietary management of type two diabetes. Here's how it works since people with type. Two diabetes have reduced ability to break down fiber to manage blood. Glucose pendulum glucose controls patented probiotic. Formula helps the body's ability to metabolize fiber and maintain insulin and glucose balance in the got unlike off the shelf probiotics with general gut health claims pendulum glucose control is backed by clinical rigor and real results. It's intended for the dietary management of type. Two diabetes talk to your physician before taking pendulum glucose control as it may not be right for everyone get twenty five percent off your first bottle. Now go to pendulum. Life dot com and use promo code. Best-case that's pendulum. Life dot com promo code best-case. Hello and welcome to the best case. Worst case jim clemente retired Profiler former new york city prosecutor writer-producer. Cbs as criminal lives and with me today is everybody is francey. Hague's former state and federal prosecutor in gyms partner in crime so to speak here on best case worst case jim. I'm so excited today. Because once again i get to put you on the hot seat. About case from the gym clemency case files was great. Three back together again. An- apart at the same time francey. Yes always glad to see you james. I like it when we're together being able to use his video equipment now makes it much better for us to record. So let's get to it. Let's get started. Let's talk about a case from your files. I know that best case worst case listeners are gonna love. Yeah i have a case. I wanna talk to you. Bob and occurred very early. My fbi career fact in the first couple of weeks when i was on the fbi nypd joint bank robbery task force in the new york office of the fbi. And i was you know a young former prosecutor young. Fbi that goes twenty seven years old. And i really wanted to work hard and the mustache gem you have to describe yourself adequately here. I some photos from that time. And you had mustache may have had a mustache. And it may have been seventies cornstarch. I don't know. But and i was wearing these big suits because i was trying to cover the fact that i was carrying a gun and I basically took the subway into work every day. If i could because i hated driving from the upper west side down all the way down to twenty six federal plaza in new york. It took me three times as long to drive than it did. When i took the subway so i like to take the subway chen orient as to time. This is early nineteen eighty-eight. This is somewhere in. I think march of nineteen eighty. And i am sitting across from a classmate jim fitzgerald and we are both brand new. Fbi agents although he had plenty of experience as a detective in bensalem pennsylvania. I had five years at the prosecutor's office in the bronx and we both brand new. Fbi agents on the joint f. b. i. nypd bank robbery task force and. Is it true that you guys were known. As the gyms is absolutely true. We were known as the gyms and it was quite quite hilarious time in my life and career. But i was really dedicated. Really worked hard and soda. Jim fits what happened on this task. Force was that there were detectives that worked sort of day shift and detectives that worked an evening shift and so what i decided to do was work with one detective during the day shift now because we got in around some forty five in the morning i think and then people would generally go home around five thirty or six. But i would stay with the evening detective to nine or ten o'clock or eleven o'clock almost every day so i was working really hard and one of the things that the older more experienced agents and detectives on the task force would do is basically throw the crap leads to the new guys the gym. So we were both running around doing some garbage leads a lot of the time we know jim that reminds me of being a baby prosecutor when i started the da's office but most particularly when i started in us attorneys office. That's exactly the same thing that would happen. You'd get the dogs. we call them that. The dog cases. You know shoplifting. When i was in a d a that was like the first case. I ever got at the. Us attorney's office. It wasn't quite that bad. My first case ever of any kind of us attorneys office was counterfeiting case a currency counterfeiting. And i had the secret service. And i'm friends to this day with one of those secret service agents so it all worked out in the end but we would definitely get the for dog cases in the first case i ever tried at. Us attorneys office was a gun case that had been sitting around the office for three or four years and nobody wanted it and i was the one who had to take it to trial. Even nells wanted to so same thing. It's almost like hazing. It is and so one day. I saw a lead that came in and it was a it caught my eye because it was a bank robbery that had just occurred in san mateo california and this is a little known fact. I was actually born in san mateo. California my parents were both new yorkers. They were visiting relatives there i Parents got into a one of those notorious fogged in golden gate bridge. Twenty car pileups and i popped out two months early so i was born in san mateo and so this caught my eye and i was looking at the facts and it said that there was two female bank robbers armed bank robbers who came into a bank and timed it perfectly so that they were able to get five hundred thousand dollars in cash gen. That's unusual right. Because all the bank robbery cases i handle the. Us attorneys office were fairly small. Amounts twenty thousand thirty thousand. Maybe occasionally forty but getting a lot of money is something that most people don't realize it's not like it is on tv and the movies you're not gonna go get three million dollars out of the bank generally wrote and the reason why they were able to do it was because they timed it just after dahmer car dropped off the cash so they knew what the schedule was for the bank. So jim where were you in your career. When this case came into you barry early in my career in fact that was the first couple of weeks on the fbi nypd. Joint bank robbery taskforce. If i'm not mistaken. Jim the first couple of weeks of your career. You also caught at big time fugitive as everyone here. Best case worst case knows yes. I did It was a little bit further down the road than this particular event but Yeah it happened pretty quickly after that. So i'm looking at this. And i'm i make a call to the san francisco. Division the fbi to the bank robbery squad. They're just trying to you know. Be active and proactive. And do something about this. And when i called i found out some additional information and they also sent us some additional reports and basically because they knew it was someone who knew the schedule at the bank actually suspected a former employee Young lady. yeah. This was a young lady who was fired from the bag not too far in the past and they thought that she may have been the actual ringleader and the inside job kind of person for this bank robbery. Which i have to ask you. I know i'm usually all raw raw girl. Power is it not unusual to have female bank robbers. in fact. i'm trying to think in my career. I don't think i. I don't think i prosecuted a single female bank robber will just think patty hearst. Okay so it isn't absolutely unheard of but it is very rare and usually if females involved in a bank robbery it's usually with a male or more than one mile in this case having to females. That was unusual. But i looked into it and i said this is interesting. So they think they know who this person is and they basically have already set out leads and checked out her house and she's not there but they said that her friends said that she had a big party and she was going away somewhere us all the information they had. I'm like okay. That's interesting and my favorite aunt and chain was a travel agent. So i picked up the phone call in jane and i said at jane. What cruises leave from san francisco at this time of year. You know during this time of the week. And she goes no kerslake from san francisco. Now it's not happening. She said i said well. Where do they lean from. Well tomorrow the cruise. Leave from new york and friday or saturday there in miami and then they're in the caribbean she goes through the whole thing and i was like really from new york tomorrow. She goes yeah. And i said what time do they leave. They leave early in the morning till about noon. And they wanna get out and get down to the tamiami and bermuda and the caribbean and all that so. I said all right well. If these two girls wanted to go celebrate they probably wanted to go on a cruise and make sense. So i said all right but they would have to like fly to new york and back in the day you could get on a plane. You could buy ticket. You didn't have to show any. Id you said the show yellow ticket and get on the plane and taste jam. Sure where the old days. And so we check the manifest and couldn't find this girl or her friend's name so we didn't know whether or not they got on a plane and i'm telling now the senior agents and senior detectives on squad. Yeah i think they came to new york to go on a cruise and they're like ever go away kit. You know that kind of thing. 'cause they didn't really have an aunt jane themselves anti they didn't have a wonderful like a chain and so i said i bet bet. They came to new york and there had to stay overnight. So they're going to get like the nicest hotel room they can. But i think it should probably be close to a travel hub. You know there's the waldorf and the park lane and a bunch of other really high high end hotels. But i said to my what what are the other you know kinda glitzy hotels and she said well there's the grand hyatt which is right next to grand central and i said that sounds right. Wait a minute. I gotta confess something jim so far. I want you to know that. I feel like aunt. Jane is an excellent. Fbi agent are no. She's amazing so. I said we got the the grand hyatt and marriott marquee in times square and so my choice was the grand high right next to grand central station. Decide one or the over the other. Well i just thought they were gonna be traveling and it's right next to the biggest well-known travel station in new york city maybe the world since its featured practically every television show and movie ever right and it just. I don't know. I just figured it would be there so i pick up the phone and i call the grand hyatt and i said hello. I'm jim kennedy. Fbi come up. And i said seriously and we're trying to find out if there were two women who checked in last night from california probably under assumed names and they're looking at all the registry and they said. Oh oh we have. Brenda starr and linda love now. John last night and i was like told everybody on my squad and they're like come on. What are you talking about. And i said come on. We gotta go search their hotel room. I bet you anything. They have the money in a suitcase in that hotel room and was like no. They put it in a locker at grand central. And we'd have to get a search warrant all that stuff but there's no way that's even that like come on get serious so i said i convince fits to join me. And maybe a couple of other guys and we raising up to the grand hyatt and i- badge the person at the front desk and they bring us upstairs and they say okay. This is the room. And i said we need the room right across the hall right here as it empty. It's empty okay. Great we're taking this rope. We go in the room. And i'm just looking through the people and were waiting. Jim are you at this moment. Just let's be honest for a second at this moment really early like a week or two into your actual agent career. Are you thinking to yourself. This is the most stupid cool job in the real world. I just flashed my badge at the people at the hotel front desk. And now i'm in a room and my first surveillance i'm going to catch. Bank robbers had to be thinking. That well i i would drop the word stupid of. It's the most super cool job. It was amazing and yeah it was fun. I was fun and i i made the judgment call that i think that they would be here under an assumed name and that they're probably be getting ready to go and do this cruise so to the to the bahamas and so i'm in the room across the hall. Look into the people and you know time is just taking very slowly but eventually somebody comes walking down the hall and puts the key in the door across the law. And i'm like it's one of them off. Y'all know how great it feels to have fresh hair color. Madison reed makes it easy to find your perfect shade. You just go online and take the color quiz answer a few questions. And they'll recommend the best options for you. What's really cool is you can try on. The different colors with madison reads online hair color tool. They even have professional colorist. You can call or chat. With if you need a little help get omonia free multidimensional hair-color delivered to your door. Starting at twenty two dollars at madison dash free dot com use promo code best-case and you'll get ten percent off plus free shipping on your first. Caller kit are promo code again is best case visit. Madison dash reed dot com now to find your perfect shade. So i see her and right away. I go cuss hall. And i say. Fbi her eyes go super wide. See almost she turns totally white and she's like she doesn't know what to do and i said you're going to have to step inside and talk to to to my friends here my colleagues here and so she's like okay. She goes inside voluntarily. Toss them she gives it up. And now when i go back to the dorm looking at people and sure enough windelov comes walking down. The hallway puts the key in the door. And this time i go out. I grabbed her arms. I handcuff her. And i bring her into the other room adding barry satisfying. It was very good and we identified her from her picture and knew right away. What was going on here so we said we asked her. If you questions it she got really nervous in clammed up and didn't say much and so we called up the manager of town the security hotel and said we'd like to search that room we have permission from one of the girls and And we'd like your permission to and they said sure so they let us in the room and the first thing. i did. Check the room to make sure nobody else. Who's in there and open the closet by the front door and there was a big sky blue suitcase. They're like a big ass suitcase. And i picked it up. It was kind of heavy. I laid on the ground. I opened it up. Unzipped zipper all the way around and opened it up and there was four hundred sixty thousand dollars in that suitcase. You ever seen that kind of money in one place and by this time now my partners had fits. I think had called to the squad and now the whole squad had shown boy and they can't believe you know like i right before i open the door. You know right before that they they basically came in and they're like no way it's gonna be in here no way and then open up that suitcase and there it is and who is also a notebook inside and hope. The note notebook was like one of those Marbled front black and white notebooks that using school and opened up the front and there is the entire bank robbery plan but how she was going to break into her father's home steal his gun and basically she had the window and footsteps of where she would walk. I mean it was the most ridiculous thing in detail about where that he hit his gun and then how she would go back out and then the same thing for the bank. The timing of it when the armored car arrives where they're where they put the money all this stuff everything right there. It was just like well. Jim i have to admit. I questioned her intelligence. When you told me the money was in the suitcase because that means she wants a suitcase through security on airline that seems insane especially back then when airlines were notorious for losing luggage. I know unbelievable. So we we had to on-scene count the money three times and it was four hundred sixty thousand dollars give or take a few and then we bought back to the fbi and we have to count it again into evidence and then seal it all up into little bags and all that kind of stuff all that craziness and of course we call the bank in san mateo. We say guess. What not only do we catch girls but we got four hundred and sixty thousand dollars of your money. They were over the moon. So course they wanted us to bring it back. They wanted you to cart. Four hundred sixty thousand dollars back to california. They did so since. I'm the one that figured out. It was brenda starr and love linda. Love and that it would be in the hotel room. i got to have the honor so i figured i'm not gonna do those things. We put a handcuff on your wrist. A handcuff on a on a big suitcase and carry it around to get your hand cut off. Frankly exactly so. I got a duffel bag and put all the money in a duffel bag. I wore jeans and sneakers and a t shirt and a baseball cap and i head to the airport to other fbi agents and we got on a plane to san francisco. And i have it. I literally have it like standing up between my legs on in my in my head seat on the airplane. And we're flying and of course you know it's a long flight i mean when you're flying from new york to san francisco you're in the plane from five six hours and some point i to take a leak thinking to yourself. I can't just leave four hundred and sixty thousand dollars in on my seat. Right so Of course the two seats on either side of me. Your occupied by my buddies from the fbi joint bank robbery task force. So just say to him. I you guys watch this. I gotta go. And so i go back to the to the bathroom in a couple of minutes later. Come back. and the duffel bag is gone own now and they're pretending to be sleep. Oh my god you're in you. I am totally dying. I mean anyway. After a few minutes they got up and start laughing and and stayed. Put it in one of the overhead compartments down a little bit in the plenty ask. Few minutes though was a bad few minutes calculating your salary which has back then wasn't all that fancy ten years on his right so anyway it would have been pretty bad but anyway they We we resolve that and so then we land san francisco rent a car. We drive down to the bank. And of course i also got the honor of turning the money over to the bank which was great and as i'm talking to the bank manager he says okay. We're going to have to count it all again. And so we. He walked me into the safe. This big massive safe. that had just been robbed. Only you know. Let's say three. Three days earlier i think it was and so we break out the money packets and and he has a now accounting machine which is great which is a lot faster any sound yes they do and so we're breaking open each package i'm signing it and and i'm signing it over to him and then we're counting it and we're putting it in another package and i'm signing that and he signed that so we have all this money out and stocks and all this stuff and i'm standing there in my sneakers and jeans and t shirt and baseball cap with my three fifty seven magnum strapped to my belt and as we're standing there the bank president walks in and does one of these links. I'm robbing a bank again. Any slabs is jazz luggage having a heart attack and kind of staggers back. And i was like now i am. Fbi so anyway. That was kinda funny and actually missed part. When we got onto the plane we go on early until pilots that were up beyond were armed and all that and the pilot looks at my colleagues and he goes are you to believe but he's fbi pointing at me. I'm like. Yeah i'm fbi. What are you talking about. I'm this season bank robbery expert. Fbi so anyway. We had a few laughs We we counted the money again and and turned it over to them. We had We also had a couple of high-dollar cameras jewelry Some champagne all the things that they bought with the forty thousand dollars the accu. What how they'd spent forty grand in just a couple of day. It was a couple of thousand dollars each for the cruise thousand dollars for their tickets. Their airline tickets. They threw a party which was another couple thousand dollars. So i think we got about thirty five thousand in receipts and an actual purchase goods that we also returned to the bank. And so i think we're they were about out out five thousand dollars out of the five hundred thousand dollars that they lost. Do you know what. I think is the most impressive. Well that i did it. Yeah i know. You're pretty amazed by me now. Definitely not the most impressive to me. Is that these. Two women managed to spend at least thirty five thousand dollars in two days. Because you could ask my husband for verification here. But i gotta tell you. I don't think even if i try really hard. I could spend thirty five thousand dollars in a couple of days. Oh wait a minute. I actually think that jim. Now that i'm thinking about louis vuitton shoes could walk into light. An probably I've a feeling that if you came to rodeo drive that you can spend thirty thousand dollars in each of ten different places now that you say that i reconsider my remarks okay. Anyway the fact is that they were. They were young and foolish and not sophisticated criminals and we were able to capture them. Thanks to the amazing. Fbi work by my aunt. Jane and and and a little help from me and that was that was really kind of a fun experience and we went out to. Dinner drove by my old house where where i lived when i was a little baby. And you know we got back on a plane and flew back and it was just it was a hell of a story and everybody was like still blown away. That this new kid on the block Had figured out this bank robbery from three thousand miles away like in no time so it was pretty cool well i. I'm sure that brenda starring linda. Love have learned their lesson. Hopefully now jim maybe they even listened to true crime podcasts and will recognize their tail of criminality and frivolous spending and chuckled to themselves. How much they've changed. Yes and hopefully they'll call in or at least write to us and we can interview them next week. Not again. I have to ask you the question. Is this the best or worst case. Will francey hands down. This is the best case i mean. Not only did. I get to fly back to my hometown and solve a bank robbery pretty much by myself with jane and recover the vast majority of five hundred thousand dollars that was stolen and also make sure that the people who did it learned our lesson so all around it. Nobody got hurt. We got the money back at least most of it. They didn't expect to get all that money back. We caught the bank robbers in fairly quick amount of time. And i got a free trip to go back to california. All that i mean priceless. It was great and i. It was one of the best cases that i've ever had in my life. And i was so happy that i call my nj well aunt jane is now legend. Thanks for talking about that case jim. That was definitely something from the jim. Clancy files that. I can really appreciate the welfare. Always a pleasure talking to you hard. sorry it was. I'm sure it was just something called. I'm i'm glad you're feeling okay. Anyway always good see francey until next time. 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Spirits in the Cliffs - Mesa Verde National Park

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53:06 min | 1 year ago

Spirits in the Cliffs - Mesa Verde National Park

"Ever since we sold our loft in chicago and started living in an r._v. full time. It's always good to find things that really make us feel at home. Wherever we are that's so true and so important. I remember really getting into gold real beauty when we're in chicago and we just enjoy it on our rooftop. Dak on those precious few summer nights we had in chicago it just so refreshing and just goes with everything especially at sunset with ice cold gold p t the comforts of home are never far away. You can find your favorite gold peak tea flavor at any retailer near you yeah. That's very true. Gold pierro t the tastes that brings your home they vanished the ancient blonde blonde people of mesa verde completely deserted their homes and communities effectively disappearing like other communities that seemingly fell off the face of the earth. Maybe like the people of roanoke virginia they left nothing behind but their homes and their spirits would still live in these races yes and like roanoke. I'm completely obsessed best in what medico damn parkway india. We're obsessing over something else mesa verde national park. I'm matt and i'm brad. We sold our lofton chicago and gave up our city dwelling existence to live in an r._v. and travel the country full-time just us and our dog fan. Thanks for listening so the year is seven fifty. Native american peoples were establishing deep roots in what's now south western colorado auto forging pit houses may says eventually along these deep cliffs huge communities were formed by the late eleven hundreds. These cliff faces were veritable. All cities filled with homes tower central plazas presumably these enclaves for popular debate people with no fear of heights because these cliffs are steep like if you fall fall you will die kind of steep yeah and just to delve in that little bit more is like you just looking at the side of a mountain with cliff and then there's just homes in the mountains like it's it's really hard to describe but that was just so beautiful to see. I mean yeah everything about this. Park is enriched and mystery and intrigue. I mean and why did their ancestor. Real people leave especially after investing so much time and effort. How did they live there. What was it like yeah. It's hard to guess but i mean at least we can appreciate respect what this ancient society accomplished by visiting this. I opening national park. I mean it's the first of its kind designated to protect a prehistoric our culture and that's when verde was established in nineteen zero six yeah. It's really a milestone in just incredible and also these places is established by these ancient civilizations urges so monumental and what they accomplished with what little they had today much of these prehistoric remains are preserved for visitors offers to tour and marvel at the accomplishments achieved by these civilizations are so impressive i mean i can't even figure out how to run the coffee machine in r._v. And these these people to restoring hugh yeah and these people managed to construct these elaborate ancient cities long share cliff walls. It's amazing had i been alive. Seven the seven fifty. I probably would've enthroned the canyon like trash deserved. I mean when you hear about the mesa verde national park most of what they hear is going to be the stoorikhel and cultural aspect which is definitely huge. I mean but the natural beauty of this place is totally understated. I i mean we've read articles and looked at magazines and everything and they're all like oh yeah. The views aren't that stunning. I mean but it's just mind blowing yeah when you go there. I mean they really are beautiful views. I mean they're just so majestic and it's one of those places that just take my breath away as you drive in the main road zigzags in daggs up through the canyons. There's meadows. I mean you see these soaring mesa's everywhere yeah. It's definitely a showstopper. It's so surprising i like. I feel like we were it kind of misled reading some of the guidebooks because they they highlight and talk about the cultural aspect and these cliff dwellings obviously which are important and focal points but <hes> it really does a disservice to this park to kind of understate how beautiful it is and how overwhelming in a great way of youth may races in meadows in cliffs and valleys are it's really incredible. <hes> in that road you mentioned. There's really just one main park road. That kind of goes ozan steeply escalates to the top of the mesa's. It really reminded me of the road that leads into arches national park at the train here is so much greener much greener yeah. It's really really really vivid which i don't know why i was so surprised i expected it to be more desert-like <hes> but then when you think about severity means green table so i'm like <hes> <hes> anyway after several miles wind up by the cheap in mesa which is the most popular area of the park. You have a museum here a restaurant hiking hiking trails and access to the park's most well-known tours which are definitely worth checking out <music> rail yeah when we arrived. He started at the petroglyphs point trail. It's two and a half mile trek along the cliff top that mesa yeah i mean it's a real show stopper of a trail not only with it's amazing abused but right like also how unique and hand it was. I mean this was the kind of trail that requires you to scramble on hansie's squeezer self through near rocks. It's well well worth the effort because of the views from the <unk> topper incredible. I mean you see these sweeping views of the treeline mesa floor. I mean i feel like an eagle perched perched on a high branch which is my favorite animal but looking down on the world below me. I mean in modern days you could say. It looks like you're a drone flying through the there. Oh yeah totally drones. I view yes. I view f. Forget eagle eye view just kidding love eagles. I mean the trail loops back around rounded chapin mesa yeah chapin mesa archaeological museum. Yes it's great. I mean it has these exhibits of local wildlife culture and history as well as a beautiful little movie yeah. Maybe it's great. It's always anytime just an emmy visit. A visitor's center at a national park always see if they ask some sort of movie a lot of them do they're always worthwhile and really informative and let's talk about. There's a section in the in the museum here which is just filled with these taxidermied or meat animals especially birds. There are a lot of birds in this park and as someone who pretty much burst into tears. I didn't see roadkill. It's it's kind of ironic and funny that i'm i'm so obsessed with taxidermy. I could just spend hours staring blankly taxidermied hawks. It's really creeped me out though i tried to dash through this experience and roadkill doesn't bother me like it does usage. We're backwards and again. You know we're very different. People yes very much in love. Yeah weirdly comforted by dead stuffed left hawks <hes> so after we after i spent two hours in the taxidermy room <hes> we moved on and the mesa top loop is the six mile route that weaves around <hes> departing from the chief in mesa area and this is what takes you to some of the most beautiful overlooks and historic sites and also most importantly the cliff dwelling tours which <hes> you we booked at at the initial visitor's center by the entry point of the park and you that's a must you have to do that but they're very accessible that it's not like some tours whereas in some parks which fill up super fast and then you're kind of out of luck this one they do periodically throughout the day i think every thirty minutes they do cliff dwelling tourists so there's plenty of room to go around and and most likely you're gonna be able to get on a tour which is wonderful great. It really took the stress out of that situation and for the whole five dollars per tour. It's it's worth yeah so easy affordable. Forget skip your coffee. If you can't afford it go to the coffee. I appreciate the sentiment anyway yeah so we hit the mesa top loop and kind of started off. We stopped off at a few overlooks which were great include. We there's one where you you kind of look out over the mesa valley below and we saw snake. Yes wiggled across the right across the trail brazenly. Why did the snake snake cross the road. I don't know to get to the other mesa. Yes probably literally true haven't been paying realized one really nice thing. Was that the drive to the mesa top dwellings. I mean before the public and people started moving into the cliff dwellings. They had homes and communities. He's underneath the surface and several these were preserved for visitors to see today the main attraction in mesa verde though is the quad drawings which are only accessible by ranger the tours but seriously if there's one thing you do and mesa verde you must go into these cliff dwelling tours. I mean they're just when you get down. There and you realize how how small these people were. They were only about five five and how unafraid of heights they were. You know now is the perfect place to be. He 'cause as like the wind goes by because they're inside of these cliffs you know they stay pretty cool and calm and it was just so beautiful to see the engineering nearing of these native people to these lands yeah absolutely these cliff dwellings our honestly like the bread and butter of the park. It's such an essential so component here and obviously the most iconic and famous thing mesa verde <hes> in rightfully so because it highlights the work that these people did ed this incredible work which gives me anxiety to think about because i would have slept died like the first day <hes> the tourists that we did which we sat are offered every thirty every thirty minutes while the day so super easy <hes> we did the cliff palace tour which is the most i would say the most famous one in the the park <hes> it's probably because it's the largest by far has about one hundred and fifty rooms <hes> huge. It's basically like their air version of a city carved into the side of this. It's insane base. I know it's the manhattan a mesa verde for sure which explains why it's so popular i mean yeah it it does it does and it's really really special to to tour this tour we did it was the largest crowd which made sense because the place is so huge and it can accommodate groups is like that we had a really friendly ranger <hes> who was really cheeky and fine indefinitely pandering to the younger members of the audience she was talking like a cartoon character cute. It was like the perfect parker into experience. She was three yeah yeah. She made. It really fun really informative. I also being kind of quirky in charming and reminding you not to bring snacks and stuff. Yeah i mean it's really important not to touch anything just like in latin and the cave of wonders i mean if you touch anything you'll be chased out of the park by lava. Yes just kidding but but still don't touch it because human skin has all these oils. I mean we have sunblock on we use lotion you know all these hand soaps and so as you touch these fragile all structures they just your oils black in them and it ruins that experience for future generations there are some points when you're going to be able to go and touch the inside of things are balanced and they will tell you instruct you when you can do that but don't touch the structures because we preserve them for our children's children's children yeah honestly if you do is okay and you touch something. You deserve to be chased out of there by lava. I'm just going to say that <hes> anyway. It takes one hour to do the cliff palace tour <hes> and heads up even though the tower doesn't go that far it's still entails some steep <hes> cliff sidesteps and some physical physical maneuvering and so it's not really for the faint of heart or definitely not for people who are afraid of heights because like we mentioned several times these are cliff walls and and there's no real danger befalling off it's pretty well guarded and their railings now and you don't get too close to the edge but still it's it's nerve fracking but as long as it's not an issue it's an absolute must to do this <hes> to see these timeworn structures and considering how laborious it was is to build anything of that time i can only imagine how much effort and time when an took decades to build communities like like cliff palace so the fact that these dwellings things were completely abandoned by the year thirteen hundred is so intriguing like what would inspire what would motivate you to abandoned something that took so long and so much effort to establish. I don't understand that's like me building a town from scratch and then one day just being like i'm gonna leave <music>. I'm done. They say it took over seventy five years to build like that's what this huge. He's telling us and you know just seeing all these rooms seventy five of years i mean we can build a skyscraper in like two and two years yeah but you're talking about sending five years and that's because they did this by hand you know they win and they grabbed all those rocks those boulders and they stacked them and they manually labored every bit of this and these people were you know five. I like the they're not these big burly people but there was so much strengthen soul into what they're building that they were able to just continue to build yeah i know and just the fact that like this stuff just wasn't sitting right there at their disposal ready to stack up like they had a climb way down into the valley a- and then climb back up with heavy rocks heavy materials and you can imagine the involvement with that and they had to find specific rocks that were soft enough enough that they could like kisla to certain specifications and sizes and shapes because there were some buildings that were around perfectly rounded and they had to mold it that way like by hand by force and there's no blueprints to that it's all word of mouth is how they built this and so <hes> the beautiful the thing that was in the back of all these cays. Were these springs yeah. Oh that's true yeah so the it's kind of signifies a big reason why they picked these locations locations is because water this environment can be hard to come by so they pick these cliffs because there was these natural like rocky springs is tucked away in the back of these caves here and it just forms by water trickling down from the earth's surface and eventually spilling out and forming these at all freshwater pools is that are drinkable in our can be used as the water source and i would never have thought that if i was looking at this from the outside i would never think like oh oh waters here it does not like whatsoever and one of the things that they did was they actually grew corn in crops above these maces so the men men and young gentlemen they would go up the hills and every day and to go to their corn and they would take all this time and effort and energy to collect that so most of their meals were corn. Yeah they get corn. The park ranger mentioned squash was a big the thing as well so a lot of that going on the surface above the cliff which again how tedious have to like get yourself up their ah harvest things bring it back. It's like nonstop work and physical labor. It's really unbelievable and sometimes there is days on trips to go find meat. I <hes> you know for hunting. They were not vegetarian. That's for sure they were not now. Now i guess like deer allotted year here so they would ah dear dry meat to make basically dear jerky as well use the hides to make leather just a lot what and they were doing their thing before every meal they would they would give their thanks to the animal for sacrificing themselves as part of their culture history beautiful. It's just that that's soul soul that goes into this place. I mean there's so much of that. It's very palpable. You can just get a sense of it. You can see it you can you can't feel it because don't you dare touch it but you can just you're like kind of surrounded by in every sense and there was one like has we're leaving cliff palace. There was this tall tower and the park ranger asked us to stick our heads in and kind of look up in at the very roof you can see the remnants of artwork of playboy artwork a low one single owned really the only petroglyphs that we saw in the park and its way up on the roof of this tower and very cool to see and it was it's just beautiful and also like another impressive feat like having to shimmy up to the top of a tower to draw on the roof cliff just amazing to to me a it is one of the most beautiful sites to see because there's so much history and sole into that absolutely and they abandoned ended everything presumably by the thirteen hundred this is all just completely desolate and they were gone and this community all these communities these hundreds the cliff dwellings were just utterly abandoned. I mean was a drought. A lack of resources conflict and foreign communities yeah was it aliens probably probably not this isn't roswell new mexico but you never know you are listening to the park lane podcast. My heart radio hosted by brad matt care wak. We'll be back with martha parkway and e podcast from from iheartradio when you're off all day hiking in the mountains and one of our favorite national parks. I tend to have these kind of weird lunchtime. Obsessions like tuna salad odd which i pack everywhere. I go seemingly obsession but you have other obsessions. That aren't weird yeah. No not at all like ice cold gold peak robot tea which actually makes is perfect sense yes because they're perfectly crafted with ingredients like pure filtered water mountain grown tea and just the right balance of sweetness. It's the real brewed taste. That really really just makes you feel at home so good so refreshing remember when you were kayaking in the everglades with all the alligators and crocodiles yes. 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We're in the midst of doing some of these cliff dwelling tours and fresh off a cliff palace store which was the biggest in most immersive of the tours we did <hes> and other one we did was the balcony house tour which is also located along mesa top loop soup and this one is much smaller than the cliff palace only forty rooms yeah only about forty rooms compared to one hundred fifty so it's not it doesn't quite as city size but still there is substantial and incredibly impressive engineering that went into this is definitely a more adventurous tour in the rangers really good about pointed that out in forewarning you in case you have any anxieties fears. It's very hands on d very steep it requires. There's some ladders along some very steep cliff faces. There's <hes> tight spaces that you've got through so if you have a fear of of heights and or tight spaces be warned we saw young girls cry moms but cheeks tight and we saw me almost cry yeah aw i even shepherd and i love heights yeah for me. It was mostly. I guess i'm not crazy about heights but for me the thing that kind of freaks me out a little bit here was the narrow spaces. It's only your spur lunging through several hundred feet of a cave or anything like that. It's a pretty short period but still it's. I'm not used to being an environment like that having to shimmy and crawl it's not my most comfortable zone <hes> totally worthwhile though that being said this tour les cliff palace also takes about an hour and it takes you along some pretty steep ladders like we said through some narrow passage raise and along the way a learn or really guess more about the papal on people who lives here and this is most notable i think in the keita's <hes> as we're on this tour of the rangers talking a lot about these central gathering places that were kind of subterranean tucked into the earth used as ceremony rooms mr pray for rain and meditate on the notion of where humans came from which is pretty deep for a living space and in those living spaces early little holes awesome the grass and that's where they said that humans came from this little hole in their keys yeah so in the middle of all these are these small little holes only about like six inches wide probably earth yeah probably even less and so i guess the speculation according to the park rangers that labeling glenn people would talk about how humanity or humans as spirits would emerge from the earth via these little holes and then flourish in these communities and carry on and pass on generations that way kind of floating up like spirits. These keita's are beautiful. I mean they definitely we're their homes as well as their spiritual place but the point blue and people they didn't have a written language <hes> i think there was actually one petroglyphs in the whole the entire park and so they didn't have a written language so they had to speak from the past to the future bypassing his down into into generation after generation and these keita's are what actually develop that relationship for them. That's where they passed on their stories. The the ranger led tours. She was telling us us all about the different speculations of how they passed on knowledge and i just remember playing the game of telephone going up and i never got it right so oh. It's going to be pretty hard to pass that generation after generation yeah but that's why you know their spirits live there right and yeah exactly feel yeah. Apparently there is no real written. History was all oral history and like you said it's basically this long drawn out generations long game. I'm a telephone and things get foggy and so now all we can do all the park rangers can do is really speculate and kind of piece things together and connect the dots and a lot of that is really a parent balcony house where in addition to the kiva is they have these little the namesake balconies kind of perched on these wooden structures and and the rangers just kind of guessing what these balconies were used for. I know when we were on our tour suggesting they were used for sitting outside of the windows or drying meat storage for parts and yeah exactly and pottery and boss potential aw even to climb up to like the second level of the rooms which is only about six feet off the ground but because again you're only five five only gave them a couple of feet yeah <hes> of head space but they would climb up into the second level which is crazy because you're just like that. Does that look smaller than a house. In manhattan definitely definitely does yeah looks like a studio apartment <hes> so and some of these went pretty high. The balconies like most of them are only two stories but there was one that went up three or more. It's kinda hard to tell because the balconies no longer there but you can see like where could have been but not all of them are able to withstand stand the weather and the elements as well as others <hes> the receiver loans beautiful area where you could see the smoke where i was carved moved out the walls and it was like their fireplace that he did that whole balcony house area i mean and then the beautiful thing behind that was was we got to crawl through that little like cave which is the only entrance in and out like you couldn't out so like some people even speculated that that might have been jail or for people that are in trouble you know there's all these different ideas of how they separated each other from each other <hes> so that was pretty nice to learn about and then as you go into that where they had the two big. Does this rooms above it. Yeah very very cool and i i can't get over the fact that there was no other entrance in sioux balcony house. You had to crawl through long narrow claustrophobic passageways. Which is again for. I mean i'm very lucky. I didn't live during this time. I keep thinking back because i would not not do well with that. Yeah no there is definitely a lot of times. We were like like claustrophobia fear of high fears. Oh my gosh like everything yeah the only thing missing a great white shark yes yes that is true. You are afraid of jaws trifecta of nightmares yeah but you know just observing. It was crazy. I even remember the ranger was so closely at one point. She goes <hes>. You're getting low close there and she goes. Oh yeah. I've done this a lot. Don't worry about me honey yeah yeah and then like right after that. Somebody dropped their sunglasses over the edge. Gosh i was like they put your eyeglass straps on. Stop messing around right. I had no sympathy for that. Person like sorry actually taste yeah because i'm like okay great now. They grow in there like a brain is not going to go down there to remove. Move your glasses so you really have to make sure that like when you go to these national parks that you're bundled up you are tied up. You know your hair's done. Don't put on a lot of lotion or anything like your son because you have to protect your skin but like oils for me. The true lesson from this in particular tour was that can really damage and i didn't know how many chemicals we have on us on a daily basis so going back to that natural lifestyle a little bit more. I mean i love my cologne in my things but you know his face yeah. I'm ready to put on your cologne to go to the national park. You know use my minimal impact especially in these areas yeah absolutely and she pointed out of the park ranger torah she pointed to one of the walls and she says like all this black it can spongy marketing like this is from human hands touching this too much and this is what happens when chemically humans were filled with chemicals dell's. It's not a pretty thing to think about but if you put your hands all over these delicate centuries-old structures than you can erode them you can mark mark them up and it just it doesn't it. It's not respectful. Just leave the leave the lotions and stuff in cologne. This doesn't a sushi arrest. We need to get dolled up and you know it was really amazing. I didn't realize this park was just recently discovered. I mean it was by ranchers and they were like chasing acing down their cattle into the mountains and they that's how they discovered this national park. So you see these old pictures like cowboys i think she handed those around and she was just showing us like who these people were and that discovered it and i might go wild west cowboys. I love it kind of cool to see that they rediscovered ever did and like they were blown away obviously but at this point there was photographs and throw things around so it's more recent it is yeah in the grand scheme of things and compared to a lot of other national hearts especially. That's crazy that they were just chasing a like a cow or something. I'm worried about that counted fall fall off the cliff she she never complained about thought and told us what happened to the cow. Not all animals are as clumsy. I'm actually very adapts. Adapts thank you. You're listening to the park. Land podcast in my heart radio hosted by brad and matt kerouac. We'll be back with more of the partly india podcast from iheartradio <hes> hi brian and i'm matt today. We're talking about mesa verde national park. We weren't able to access the whether he'll mace of the park ark area since our view was too long they give plenty of places to drop off trailers. If that's the issue <hes> this one the one that we did was the most popularity and has the most stores and attractions. There's another area called. The weather will mesa which is not accessible for larger vehicles. We weren't able to do those cliff dwelling tours. That's fine. I the balcony house and cliff palace are wonderful and amazing and for good reason the two most popular towards at mesa verde but aside from the tours. We've actually done a lot more hiking trails like the moorefield campground area which is the best bad for the trail heads of which matt did all of them. Yes we've reached the part of the park where i hike obsessively yes and i take some relaxation and kick back a little bit but i also go on some amazing hikes with matt totally so the part of the park which is best for hiking is the moorefield campground area. It's kind of close to the entrance point and and it's got a few trail heads here all varying levels of difficulty. I was able to do all of them of course <hes> starting with the idea the knife ed trail. I which is super easy. It's easy to mile out and back along the northern edge of the may says great amazing views of you've the valley floor and then everything's kind of lowered and flats for most of what you can see there are like mountains in the far distance but it's just it's like a really vivid lash green valley and then rocky terrain kind of falling down into it and while you were doing that i was actually at r._v. Cleaning cleaning bugs off the windows and relaxing hanging out with finney. You know enjoying that little bit of time by myself but i think that you you know that is one of the greatest trails because you actually get on the top elias me so right in the park yeah well. That's another one. That's not how it's a different one. Oh perfect yeah which one was that that's the point lookout trail which the trail has not far from the knife edge one and that is pretty strenuous because it's so steep steve. It's about the same length. That's like two miles round trip but the big difference here is you're going up some seriously steep such backs to get there and it brings you directly up to the top of the mesa so and right over top the park. It's incredible your way up. There and unnervingly unnervingly close the advocate at times for sure but the views are just unlike anything else. You're gonna see here or most anywhere and it was very cool to be up there. I think i was by myself. There's no other people on that trail time and he's like no railings or anything no railings <hes> they really trust you not to to slip and fall which i appreciate the vote of confidence i guess but yeah i went up there. How little time to myself took some amazing photos. You could see way down in the distance the camp ground where we were staying that time like little dot that way down in the valley. I just loved it and the crazy thing of everything's kind of quiet up there at that level of atmosphere and there'd be these little birds that were like very fast moving birds not zoom zoom by me and would sound like a little jet was kind of scary. I was a little afraid that they would fly into my head or something and then i'm mac in the face right into my head and then chaos ensues <hes> so that's the point lookout trail and that's those were by far the best views. I saw it in the park. It's you're not going to get a vantage point like that and another time any other trail yeah. I'm in a short drive from there was the prater ridge trail right yeah. That's the one that we did together. It's pretty moderate but it's the longest trail in this section it. Can i think like you can do a larger loop. Where it's eight miles or you could do one. That's kind of abbreviated david. I think it's like five and a half yeah. It's like five and a half and there are some switch backs and it brings up to the top of a mesa but you're not nearly as high as point lookout trail and it's not as tough tough and then there's the south loop of it and then the whole loop as we were walking through it. I just thought it was so beautiful because you've seen a lot of like dead trees. He's like beautifully dead. Grayish like that to me but then you see these like this lush greenery sorry and it's to me. I was just so beautiful being able to walk up and down that trail with you and have like these cavill casual conversations <hes> and just see other people like i saw people giggling and like having fun i was giggling yeah definitely and they're actually could be bears on that trail. Um and we were warned that there's a possibility seem bears and things like that so as we're walking through this area <hes> recei arranger and i'm like oh maybe he's looking at a bear and he wasn't doesn't but <hes> he's a temporary razor from oregon we found out so he actually comes down for the summer <hes> on this assignment but he goes to different national parks every year because you can sign line up and do that so i think that that's like a fun aspect of the national park service's like they do look for like different yearly volunteers and and items like that <hes> along these trails sounds really fun very tempting. I like that a lot yeah. Oh you know that huge snake. There are so many snakes severity. Apparently i mean we walked directly into two but yeah there was a big snake up here on this trail. I almost walked right into it. I you start randomly recording at different times and at that point. I just started according to a video of you. I mean like three seconds and then you're like <hes> and like throw the camera down because i didn't know like what was going on and then there's a snake nick. There and i'm like oh my gosh so then i'm like okay start recording again so that is our recording the snake. You know a comfortable distance. Thank goodness for the zoom when my camera phone. You got a real candidate squeal for me not video. That snake was rather large sprawled out across the trail civic. I don't think it was we're just lying there and blended in kind of the ground who sunbathing on vaping sure i get it but i think this is the snake where where we learned that it eats rattlesnakes. That's insane but what was the name of this. One was the something about its headbutting. Oh my god oh my gosh how wow that's fine. We'll we'll have to follow up an instagram with what the name some of the snake was the top little snake earliest neko's pretty big jumping back to those bears for a minute you know the sad thing is i've watched the news and one bare had to be put down because it attacked human because it was used to being close to humans and then i just read an article last night about other bears <hes> having to be put down because they've been fed inbred into society too closely and they're afraid of them turning on people so going back to the idea of like you know taking care of the parks and leaving it better than you found it. Is we really want to make sure that you understand. Don't feed these animals. Don't mess with these animals if they are crossing the road you you work around them. They don't work around you <hes> because we don't want to harm these animals or have to unnecessarily put them down because we start feeding feeding them so really taking care of your parks is more than just your parts because these animals these bears were not out or outside of this park but <hes> it's a really alien super super important part of taking care of our nature <hes> continuing on in a non depressive <hes> thing is the beautiful hike continuing that yes yeah. That was a great hike. There were just so many like look out points which are my favorite part of this trail. You could just get so close and have these huge panoramic views of these deep tree-lined valleys below just amazing and the the best best la photo opportunities for sure. I loved it. Yeah and i remember when we got the halfway mark. I did north trail together the north loop yes and then gone into the south hoops. I went back down to the r._b. Checked on a relaxed. That's more water it wasn't that couldn't continue but i i had my my heartful. You know we have arts full at different times and mad is when has completely exhausted yeah mine seemingly never gets full and i just keep going and going and going but i thought maybe you can take the time to tell us about the south loop and helped might have been a little bit different yeah i i thought the best views along the south of the portion <hes> kind of a three mile area that branches off the main they north loop and that's where i had so many of those lookouts where you can get close enough to the edge stone save and see these huge huge huge sprawling valleys that go on and on and on and parts of it you see like the park road weaving through it the cars way down below that was really neat <hes> and just kind of puts them respective like wow pretty high up. I'm crazy high up speaking about cars and r._v.'s and mesa verde. I think that we need to give a special props out aww verde for how r._v. Friendly this really is. I mean from the visitor center to all the trial has there's plenty of rooms. R._v.'s of all sizes i mean it was a super super easy park visit with our v. Drop off our trailer never have to worry about parking which is a frequent headache national parks. Yeah it was nice that they had that special shaw designated area for us to drop off trailers just makes it so much easier. We were able to move around and navigate quite easily. We couldn't get the weather on mesa area area. 'cause we're too long but aside from that. Everything was a piece of cake now. The drives are very easy and you know after he come back from this quick break. We're going to talk about the town of macos also in montgomery county maryland courthouse. There are thousands of pages of documents detailing the horrific murders of three the innocent people to things from the early days of the investigation are clear. No one knew for sure who committed the murders but some had a theory about who engineered them soon as i heard the details. I knew my dad was involved right away. We know it was lawrence horn. I mean i knew well instantly assumes lawrence. Everybody knew that lawrence horn was responsible. Nobody even better but at the time of the murders lawrence horn was clear across the country watching tv tv in his los angeles home and he could prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. I'm jasmine morris from iheartradio and hit home media. This is hitman hitman. Listen and subscribe at apple podcasts on the iheartradio app or wherever you listen to podcasts hi i'm brad and i'm at where the hosts parkland yeah and today we're talking about mesa verde national park. We're going to talk about the quaint little artsy town of banco yeah. Mingka's is <music> is technically the town where mesa verde is located. Although the heart of downtown area of course is a few miles away and it is so beautiful perform bubbly highly recommend visit here especially for breakfast at absolute bakery and cafe which was such a surprise. We absolutely loved it. I mean absolutely absolutely absolutely i mean i have absolutely on my hat because i love the word absolutely yeah absolutely the best. Yeah we actually learned. We got that recommendation to go here. From another traveling couple that were randomly camp next you were in new mexico at carlsbad caverns national park which we'll talk about the nice they were so nice and clearly have great haste and breakfast because this place was wonderful. Hippies don't die. They bake <hes> slogan but there's just something you were saying. No nope nope so. This place was super popular. We had to wait for a little while so just keep in mind if you're starving to. I don't know have a snack or something beforehand because you're most likely going to have to wait for a bit. It's a smallish place. It fills up really quickly. <hes> it's bustling but while we're at that really brings us into the perfect setup for they actually asked us if we he wanted to be seated with another couple or another two people yeah they. They said that they wouldn't have another top for a little while but they had four top and they were like do do you guys want to do this. Sharing thing and obviously we had initially. I'm just like no but you were like your enthusiastic much more like open to stuff like that. I was like absolutely absolutely and i'm like okay. I thought it was great because meaning. Kate and marianne was probably the highlight of that. It worked out so well. I'm so glad we did it. We sat at a little table with <hes> these women who are also going to mesa verde that day and they had been there before but thirty years before yeah ooh so. This is a mesa verde every union. They've guides like they've done a lot of like different like trail guiding and like a outfitting. I think they both owned outfitters. Kate used to own outfitter erin. Marianne currently does at a different part in colorado and so i just thought it was amazing meeting these two as i would like to say trailblazers of national parks and public public space very much you know the they were just so fun and full of energy they really were. They were inspiring to be around and very joyous and pleasant in and kate. I remember was also a writer so we can actually over that. She was much more poetic and i was that became immediately here. I'm like well. You're very poetic. Well-spoken per snaps for kate kate yeah she was she was they're both great and it was lovely to talk to them. Yeah marianne. I thought what was interesting is. She was kind of like the you in that that that situation where she was like. I just wanna be with my friend. You know like we're we're we relate to her. I'm like kay marianne we completely understand you and a and but we are so thankful that you guys both said yes because it was like one of those moments where we just got to enjoy amazing food maybe and -joyed beautiful company and then even taught <hes> yeah ta talked about grand canyon and how they're building. They're trying to build a gondola and there's a gentleman there that is trying to stop that because we need to preserve not to add tourism to our national parks yeah. These aren't amusement c'mon parks. No we don't need writes that although i remember thinking when they were first talking about this gondola i thought they were talking about like the gondola boats vanessa and i'm like what would that work burke yeah. No we do not want to ruin our national parks so hopefully that <hes> this brings a voice to that and people start to hear about the different things that they're trying to do the national parks we want the john muir teddy roosevelt parks not the tourism filled national parks. Yes not the walt disney parks although love those for their own thing shut out to them that we do love you time animal kingdom yeah so yeah a great time at absolute bakery and cafe just delicious pushes wholesome americana diner food and then also wonderful pastries to we got some snacks on the way out meal date the thing i remember we got them for us to share and i ate them. Both the half a one you'll he's left me half of the second one and to eat that the next day <hes> and i was really depressed. I didn't get the full thing yeah. I was too selfish but yeah you're like. You're mad that you didn't get to right yeah okay. I want more right now. I know do you <hes> airdrop or drop ship yeah because you love your bakeries bakery's <hes> but i guess you know and driving back towards the park we half are beautiful. <hes> stay at a very rb park yeah. That was so oh god what did she. It was like could not be marking meaning that was practically right across the street from the main entrance and combinations were clean and perfect and they had a swimming pool <music> which was a little chilly for me. The staff was very friendly in all kinds of ways. I mean even when we went and parked and like r._v. And trailer was is a little too long for this base. They didn't give us an attitude the gentleman he was just so kind and he's like you know what let's try to move you. Even though like people people can still get around you. Let's just move you to a better space so they moved us to that better space and <hes> you know they just extremely hospital hospitable hospitable. Yes they were they really were it was great and then also gave us an excuse to get smaller stuff. Even though we didn't wind up they have a community community can a fire pit area and we didn't use that. We just wanted to make them in the r._v. Which is fine. I was in the mood for smart so it's like let's just make this happen. Believe me he guilted me into making he's more than the r._v. And you know i i went along with it but i love that they had not only the jacuzzi that was next to the pool but they also had their an adult only jacuzzi area which is conveniently located close to it but it's a separated from the rest so that way parents can be still sit and watch their children but they're not like next to them and they can have their own time or people who don't aren't parents can just go into the dr only in it's like a separate area yeah <hes> so the way that they laid out their r._v. Park it's a one point one miles away from the visitor center so it's like oh close to walk there except it's a highway so you shouldn't yeah don't don't risk life and limb for that. <hes> just drive over there. My favorite r._a.'s time for one of our favorite segments of the podcast where we ask each other favorite things about the national park so brad. What was your favorite thing at mesa verde national park. My favorite thing about mesa verde national park had to be the sole. I mean you just felt it and every moment and every hike an every <hes> two were on even the drive and the around the top i mean it was just i just felt so much spirit there that that was my favorite thing <hes> about mesa verde national park <hes> if if i could bring three things though that doesn't that's not really involved with that is i would definitely love to go rock climbing here. <hes> i would love to get transported back and and get some hunting equipment so that we can hunt just like the pueblo and people have done throughout their history and then a motorcycle three things things are pretty much matt hates. I would bring yeah. That doesn't sound fun for me. Actually none of that literally like there's three things i'm like. Let's go rock climbing clamming. No i want a motorcycle. Nope go hunting no -lutely not on a hunt yeah but does that lead into one of your favorite things well my now. My favorite thing here was the balcony house tour specifically. I disliked tau kind of intense. It was but not in <hes> like horrifying way. It was just scary enough. Got your blood pumping and you got to do things that i would never normally do climb ladders cliffs and then squeezed through these narrow little rims and also learn more about the cuba's and watch people drop their sunglasses into the valley it was dissolved south on so great <hes> endlessly fascinating and illuminating <hes> so the the three things that i would bring to mesa verde <hes> i would say definitely an appetite slash money to go to absolute bakery and cafe okay that's essential and i miss that place already <hes> out also bring good kind of firm hiking shoes ones that have a good regret because some of the trails we did or most of the trails we did our <hes> requires some scrambling and some hands on activities so you don't wanna be slipping and like crashing into the rocks or anything absolutely not now no no no and then the other thing i would bring would be whether it's for glasses glasses sunglasses to bring a strap of some sort so that you don't wanna be losing that stuff off the cliff edge as we saw absolutely uh so definitely be careful with that and actually mine was two truths and a lie two of those i would love to do and one. I'm absolutely not about that life. So if you want to go ahead and messages on twitter with your answer at parkland lia podcast we would love to tell you in their next future episode sewed. Let's get him. I was worried that you wanted to you all three of those things. Although still i don't approve of any of them. You've been listening to parkway india. The show was created by us matt and brad. Kerouac along with christopher has yoda's our executive producer. Christopher has yoda's producing edited by mike john. What if you're not already subscribed. You can make sure you never miss an episode but subscribing to the show on apple podcasts the iheartradio app or anywhere you get your podcasts. We take a lotta pictures pictures on the road follow us at podcast dot com and on facebook and instagram at park mandate podcast special things to gabriel collins crystal waters and the rest of the park gleaned crew but we always wanna thank you for listening <music> in the montgomery county maryland courthouse. There are thousands of pages of documents detailing the horrific murders of three the innocent people soon as i heard the details. I knew my dad was involved right away. Instantly i says lawrence but at the time of the murders lawrence horn it was clear across the country. I'm jasmine morris from iheartradio and hit home media. This is a hitman. Listen and subscribe at apple podcasts on the iheartradio app or wherever you listen to podcasts.

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