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Cam Newtons Messy Breakup With The Panthers

The Lead

23:07 min | 1 year ago

Cam Newtons Messy Breakup With The Panthers

"After months and months of speculation one of the NFL's all-time Great qb's was recently. Go in a rather shocking way breaking news the Panthers Cam Newton back seek a trade. I mean his nine year run and Carolina Cam Newton Social Media and said that he did not request a trade the Carolina Panthers basically told them that it would be like this and he said this was put on him today. The athletics Jordan Rodrigue joins US TO DISCUSS. Why the Carolina Panthers Franchise quarterback was released? So unceremoniously what could be next for Superman and why he is meant so much to the Carolina community? They saw someone who played with joy someone who played with more heart than almost anybody out there on the field. Somebody who could do ingenious things from wondering on the athletic. I'm could beat the Davidson and I'm it's Wednesday April first and this is sportscenter April fools. This is the lead so bad felt like something was ocean stories of the past. I had never seen anything like this isn't a story rear view the athlete it stays with you. The lead is supported by light box. Have you heard about light box lab grown diamonds? They hacked billion year process to grow stunning lab grown diamonds in about two weeks. And they're some of the highest quality stones that exist they're always Mir colorless always. Vs clarity always a very good cut and always eight hundred dollars per carat. They come in three colors to white blush. Pink and soft blue. Go to light box. Jewelry Dot com slash lead and use code. Lead it for twenty five dollars off. That's light box. Jewelry Dot com slash lead code lead for twenty five dollars off so Jordan the news that Cam Newton and the Carolina Panthers were actually going to part ways came as a surprise to some people. But when did we I see the writing on the wall here so we at the Athletic Carolina myself and my beat partner Joe Person. We reported this after week. Two and ham had been kind of coming back. Ever so slowly from This Freak Foot Injury Carolina. Panthers think he's going to be okay. The initial x rays were negative. It is a sprained ankle right now. He wasn't a walking boot booth that we saw him leaving the stadium and they're going to give him more xrays today to make a final determination. But I can tell you that being told by various people within the organization. You're don't worry about the foot don't worry about. But and he came back and he didn't quite look himself than than against Tampa Bay in week. Two there was a really striking moment when at the very end of the game on the goal line and they did not give him the ball. They gave it to Christian. Mccaffrey instead. Direct snap faked. Toss McCaffrey depends where they put it. What a play by Hargraves hat on the edge in he did not get it todd. Bowles defense was not fooled. What a play and the play failed and they lost the game and something was super off at that point. It was well known that he had just a year left on his contract and so there was a lot of thought that if they were going to extend him this foot injury kind of threw everything off and not just the foot but a new owner and back to back shoulder surgeries. So there's a lot of things sort of stacked up against and then the freak foot injury happened so it was really difficult to know when he would be okay. That sort of started escalating into the middle of the season and then with four games left head coach. Ron Rivera was fired. It was a bad idea. I don't think they should have fired him now. I don't think they should have fired. Ron Rivera period Rivera with Cam Newton. When to the Super Bowl in two thousand fifteen? The year before that he was seven that was kind of the writing on the wall. It felt like because he and Ron Rivera had been tied since two thousand eleven. Ron was the guy who drafted him. Still know the panthers were not coming out and talking about it and they were saying giving themselves the caveat like well. We'll talk about it when he's healthy and give us till when he's healthy and when he's healthy get back to me deserves to be said how hard he's working into. Rehab into the. Panthers have an in house video production team. They released a sponsor documentary episode. That was reiterating that rules comments at the combine in Indianapolis about how much he wanted Cam Newton to be his quarterback and how much he was looking forward to working with him and having him on his football team. I'm going to go up there and say I can't wait for him to be healthy. I can't wait for a chance to work with them. I'm excited about the future with him and excited about who he is. But at the same time behind the scenes it was very much apparent that there is a trade market that they were trying to sort of manufacturer for him. Things started escalating through the spring and Cam. Newton went out on Radio Road Super Bowl and said he had had some really great and optimistic conversations with new head coach Matt rule or are you going to be back in Carolina like. Are you sure you're going to be a panther? Absolutely talked about rule is it. Yes Sir I. As a matter of fact you know the devastating to not have the coach who drafted you. Let's say you've got to turn. The page had unbelievable conversation with Mardi Harney GM David Surfer the owner as well as you know cultural the the new head coach and I left. That meeting inspired not only in talk. I'm not you won't find another person in that in that locker with more to prove not only to you poodle to myself and ultimately even though he was able to pass physical and gave them quote unquote the Healthy Cam Newton. They announced that they were going to part ways with him. The press release was so odd. The press release said we have given Cam Newton permission to seek a trade and then they went on to list all of his injuries at the bottom of the press release. I don't think I've ever seen a press. Release that says. Hey We'd like to trade this player. Also here's how her he's been and Newton got on instagram and said I never asked for this one of the videos. He says all I do is work. That's all I know. They gave up on me. Don't know more word play. Don't manipulate to narrative. You forced me into this. We reported at the athletic that just hours after releasing that best released that they had agreed to terms with Teddy Bridgewater. The former backup quarterback New Orleans saints. Get your chilling. It'll be conceived a trade the Carolina Panthers or releasing quarterback Cam Newton with no shooters coming in and having signed Teddy Bridgewater. Two or three or sixty three billion dollar deal last week. That was only a matter of time according to our NFL insiders. He was going to be there next quarterback for the next three years and so I've heard a lot of comparisons to this is like if you were dating somebody and you tell them. I'm giving you permission to see other people. Also here's my new boyfriend girlfriend. How have panthers fans reacted to all of this drama fans have not taken it while just heard and I saw over the panthers and ceremonial over Twitter Instagram? That Camden is now to seek trade on so sad. We've had since two thousand eleven has hope he goes somewhere where you can succeed. Because that's all I want from him. There has never been a player in the Carolinas. Who has drawn? I think such passionate support and really moved people in the way that he has and so for them to kind of in glamorously kind of dumped him by the wayside even though logically and people knew this was logically a very real option. And you know we had kind of talked at nauseam about this thing actually happening. It's still the way it happened was really jarring and I think something that really upset. A lot of people will in. It's worth remembering just how Cam Newton became so beloved in Carolina Jordan. Can you just remind us? What was it like when he first came onto the team? Yeah you know it's it's it's not just like oh you've got a great number one overall pick. You have one of the Best College. Football players of all time controlled as as adult. Your lives up in the backfield and Cam Camp Lou on this. You're talking about heisman. Trophy winner that has not thrown a single incomplete. Pass the opening drive this season and one that hasn't committed a turnover in the fourth quarter. The progression everywhere inbetween has been up scaling that Charlotte's a small city. It has aspirations. But it's still a small city and Cam. Newton was really the first time that they became a global brand. And you know you got just some the really ugly people coming out of the woodwork. For All of the time that he was here and there were some ugly things that people said but to the WHO really look to him and saw Cam for what he was. They saw someone who played with joy someone who played with more heart than almost anybody out there on the field. Somebody who could do ingenious things with the football bend time and space like it. It's just I still can't believe some of the things I've him do. Purchase Time Newton. Nowhere to go but he got the first down with a leap over various Butler for eleven yards. Kiss not supposed to happen this way what he has done to the game the evolution of NFL defense's had to change had to speed up just for him. His knick's Taylor. Jones setting space goes to the highway to not be the greatest. Playoff seed can long time. This is a national football league and he makes four New England patriots. Miss you had to draft different types of linebackers and defensive linemen and even corners safeties just to counter. Can you talk about what kind of figure he grew to be locally when he first got to Charlotte there? Is this this big sense that he wanted to help kids out and he wanted help the youth out and he started this thing called the Sunday giveaway? And so every time he'd score a touchdown throw a touchdown pass or he'd run one in himself. That ball would go to a kid in the end zone with His Jersey. Ready to take it home happy. You know you hear stories from these kids who are now teenagers. You hear stories from their parents on social media in emails where that still remains you know the greatest day that Kid's life and that could have been all that he did but instead he took it upon himself to create the Cam Newton Foundation which he was helped run by several really altruistic way. Great people who just wanted to help their community and he fed thousands and thousands and thousands of families on Thanksgiving and Christmas every single year. It became like the events of the year incident. I S here tonight. You know these to see this cycle or sees as right now. Hope somebody remember just for the rest of their lives This is the annual event that I will want to do for a long time for. Never turn people away. What do you think it meant for young local black kids in the Charlotte area to see Cam? Newton thrive I can't specifically obviously speak from that perspective but I can say that from the interactions that I saw with him and young black kids young black boys and girls who may be going to you know their first game. It was always just so. I mean you see a superhero. But then the superhero kind of kneels down. Always kneels down to where he's looking you right in the eyes and talking to you on your level and talking to you like you matter you can never quantify something like that. That's wild to me to think about fact that Cam Newton has been in the League for ten years already You know do we have a teddy bridgewater. Do we have a Lamar Jackson? If we don't have a Cam Newton. No we don't and you know what those guys can. We'll never say I did that. He would never say that. But those guys teddy and Lamar the Shawn Watson guys who can reach out to and speaks to and kind of has a support system for and gives advice to. They will tell you that they have said that in the past that they don't think that they could be where they are if they had not seen what. Cam Newton was doing at Auburn. You know what he was doing for the Carolina Panthers and I think again. That is so important because this league. It's so stuffy and it's so just constricted in terms of like where are the personalities. Where's the fun whereas the electricity where are where are the people who are genuinely playing with joy and I think you see that in Teddy Bridgewater you see that are Jackson? See that into Sean. And they'll tell you straight up. You Know Cam. Newton is someone who made me believe that this is possible. 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Honestly I would say and they are not rebuilding completely from the ground up. If you don't sign a guy like teddy bridgewater. Who can win you football games? It's your completely tearing everything down and rebuilding. So it's almost like a half rebuild half retool and all of it's going to happen on the fly. There's still a split opinion about whether they should tear the whole thing down and rebuild or whether they are going to try to Winston Games in two thousand twenty in and I think by bringing in Teddy Bridgewater. They've made it clear that they are going to try to win. Games in twenty twenty and in the draft. I believe they're going to start bringing in guys who are going to be core pieces and core players. Who are going to buy into Matt role but I think that there's some skepticism and some healthy skepticism. I would say that the warning or the thing to be cautious about is. Can you build something that will win on a sustainable basis if your foundation is shaky and you know throughout this whole drama Cam has actually been very clear about his desire to stay in? Carolina? Have you ever wondered if he's too loyal? Perhaps I just wanted to sometimes be like I get that you love the community here and I understand how powerful place it can be in how welcoming and it can feel so much like home but they are not set up for success for you now. At this point I think with his kind of he's he's out of the forest. A little bit in terms of the situation is settled down a little bit. He's now looking at other rosters. He's now seeking out other potential options. And if I'm him I've got a feel a little positive about that. Because there are situations that are built for someone like him to be successful. There are better. You know offensive. Line's out there. There are teams that have taken care of guys in that regard and so for him. I would think he almost. Mike feel little relief that all of this is over and this long eight months dance that they've done back and forth between these camps and all of the narratives because now what he can do is he can focus on football and and you know that's his first love and and that's what he is all about Jordan. You found yourself in the middle of some CAM controversy a few years ago when you asked him a question about running routes and he kind of scoffed at the idea of a woman reporter talking about roots this funny to hear female talk about routes. He was widely criticized at the time. He actually lost some sponsorship deals. But in reading your writing since and in talking to you since you seem to have genuinely enjoyed covering Cam Newton I think you can you can have messy moments and you can feel messy about something or someone for a moment and things can be complicated and hurtful and that does not change how you should treat people and Cam. Every single day treats people with respect Cam. Newton is apologizing understand. A word choice was extremely. They great in and disrespectful to limit. If you are a person who took offence to what I said. I sincerely apologize and so to me. It was really important to me and I will forever be grateful that despite you know a brief and messy time that never prevented us from being kind to each other anyway. So when all of a sudden done. What's next for Cam Newton well? I don't know what the charges are doing waiting so long to sign the guy but I mean clearly. Nobody in that building in Los Angeles has ever been to a Panther's game with him. Newton in his heyday. Because let me tell you that guy puts butts and seat for me. That's a franchise that could really use a little in pardon the pun but electricity in that regard and. I think that CAM is a great fit. You know. I'd like to see it personally. You know I don't cover them anymore so I don't have to be unbiased and in a biased way. I hope he goes somewhere. That sets them up for success so few people on. It's so rare to end things on your own terms in the NFL. I think they can. Newton might be that rare of a player. Could maybe have a chance at doing that. We'll Jordan thank you so much for joining us. Even if you did throw in a chargers pawn unexpectedly for having me you can read Jordan Rodrigues coverage of the Carolina Panthers at the Athletic Dot Com. Here are some other stories. We're following at the lead. It's been business mostly as usual for the NFL. During the corona virus pandemic and that continued on Tuesday when the League announced its plans for the twenty twenty regular season on a conference call. All of our focus has been on a normal traditional season starting on time playing in front of fans in her regular stadiums and going through full sixteen game regular season and the NFL also announced on Tuesday that owners have approved the new fourteen playoff format which means seven teams from each conference will make the postseason instead of six and though the League plans to start season on time the release of the season schedule has been delayed from April until may also on Tuesday New Orleans Saints Head. Coach Sean Payton who told USA. Today that he's quote one hundred percent recovered from the corona virus made an appearance on ESPN and apparently broke. Some news on behalf of Drew Brees. The unique situation with our team and with our quarterback drew brees is. He's announced he's coming back for its final season. Brees who turned forty one in January. Signed eight two year. Fifty million dollar deal with the saints a couple of weeks ago and. Dr. James Andrews has decided to temporarily stop performing Tommy John Surgeries at his facility in Florida. A spokesperson for Andrew is a statement saying quote we are not performing any non urgent or non emergent procedures including Tommy John. Surgery in compliance with the governor's executive order we are adhering to these restrictions and all such cases are suspended at this time. Tommy John Surgery. And whether it's medically necessary has been a topic of discussion recently with two Star pitchers Chris sale of the red sox and Noah syndergaard of the mets both undergoing the procedure within the last week. That's it for today. Thanks for listening from wondering on the athletic. I'm beat the Davidson and I'm under skelter see tomorrow.

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The Panthers turned into a pumpkin for Halloween

Cat Scratch Reader

45:42 min | 1 year ago

The Panthers turned into a pumpkin for Halloween

"Maybe they're GONNA win and they're gonNA fall behind the Bengals in the tank for two I didn't realize the bay was were own their own eight now weren't yet if they're aggressively bed they actually had a play where three different people had a chance to pick off an interception past Sunday and none of them did on how are you yeah sure yeah I agree wholeheartedly so if you blacked out on how fun to watch it would have been more fun if the forty niners would have scored forty nine months yeah he did not turn the ball over once if you take out those interceptions Christian McCaffrey was pre oren burner to the forty niners they lost fifty one to thirteen it was not great Sunday and didn't catch the game or didn't watch the game Lucky you really lucky you the panthers lost a sad panthers forty niners postgame recap though we will also preview the panthers against titans just for the headlines But yeah yeah not a fun game to watch the panthers really only had life about the only bright spot on this offense with a fourteen carries for one hundred seventeen yards though a lot of those came off two long runs He did score a touchdown the hello welcome to keep sounding podcasts. This is your Christian McCaffrey matched him as far as receptions go on only five targets with thirty eight yards and DJ more had nine targets for five receptions and thirty a carolina receiving was not great Curtis Samuel had eleven targets for four receptions forty six yards and AFC there's three teams that are legitimately terrible and compete for tour. I would say maybe the first couple drives on offense and then after the Bruce urban safety sack fumble or not it wasn't just safety sack This upcoming week this is Brian joined by Brad and John Brad how're you doing this evening I've been better I think we all could say that seven sacks so not great no fumbles no fumbles though he did not fumble take out the interceptions he didn't have any turnovers. Oh that's right yards so offensively. This was a really rough game for the Carolina Panthers Christian McCaffrey deserves the Panthers Kyle Alan Through Nineteen completions off of thirty seven attempts for one hundred fifty eight yards and three interceptions along with they punted it in the panthers scored of than that though for the most part the forty niners absolutely dominated this game looking how that works this year because like in the NFC there's like four teams that might go nine and seven or better and miss the playoffs and in the major props for having like the quietest one hundred and what is hundred seventeen yards no but like until two hundred fifty five yards of total offense Oh yeah time now fitzpatrick dinner reception breaking news to those of you who watched the game last night have one hundred fifty five yards of total offense and it's like not even a talking point yeah he had one hundred sixty three total scrimmage yards and Nelson offense innards were celebrating the fact that they only held them to one hundred fifty five yards which is crazy yeah I mean it didn't really matter much he didn't score except for once like we only points but I mean at least at least Christian McCaffrey was good I think that's that's a very big compliment he only scored he only got one hundred fifty five yards and one touchdown that's a win for us and that would be a massive day for anybody else everybody like that that's why he's MVP happens when you lean on running back and can't do literally they're still lost which goes to show that the whole leaning on Christian McCaffrey for literally everything is not necessarily the best way to go when you're playing against the actual never like has always been dominated by one person it's it's usually been cam this is a bad are so low actually when compared to the chances of him getting his legs snapped because he runs right into the the defensive tackle really good NFL team somebody said something in a comment section that I thought was interesting this offense since Ronald has been here but still it just ron makes some questionable choices yeah you know who else makes them questionable choices Kyle Allen I didn't see any questionable choices I fought everything he did was pretty good it just didn't work out free yeah that's the other thing why do we have Alex Armagh on the roster like why why are we wasting a roster spot on a fullback if we're not like five seconds left in the half or thirty five seconds left in the half and we have the ball in our own twentieth so we're just GONNA call one run play to see what happens when I give it to McCaffrey which I'm quarterbacks typically do but like more so with Cam with the the running in the lack of weapons in office of line around him and then when when cam starts let's just running into a wall for no reason for one extra play that accomplishes nothing I mean he there is a chance he could break one I get that but I mean the chance there's one thing that's different between this past Sunday versus the last four weeks and that's that Cam Newton was on line Kyle Allen and the offenses fault in the winning streak like really manifested themselves when they finally had play a good team oh my God yeah he was like it just doesn't make any sense yeah just is it really worth more than likely like three to four yards up is that worth another hit and then they intercepted it like it's like he was trying to throw it to the forty niners yeah well I'll tell you why I mean that made me mad to see Christian McCaffrey still in the game when it was fifty one to thirteen with like five minutes left in the game yes why are you still running him out there your MVP candidate put put Jordan scarlet out there because nobody cares if he gets hurt life list because spoiler alert I use it I don't understand it at least in his case he plays like special teams and he's a special teams guide Sean McCaffrey who is far and away leading the League touches and we already know that Reggie bonafide can run because we've seen him do it yes and Scarlett runs happened way too many times on Sunday the niners knew what was coming it's almost like we've said that before another thing we might have said before that I'm not oh I didn't expect nothing interviews expected it to be to that extent that it was but all of the things that more astute observers have been pointing out about attraction are to make accurate throws when you're looking over your shoulder the whole time right yeah exactly and he was he they showed him giving him advice looking at film he was probably telling him our to our two yeah yeah he's a decent power back and even Alex Armagh he he didn't play a whole lot of snaps either like it was mainly dominated by Christian McCaffrey first half that he could have thrown the ball away or done something else other than take a sack there was one where and the the sequence where he through like the most perceptible passive all time that was intercepted he was like let didn't work let's try it again I'm just saying things that were unfair but it's it's very evident what he's what a lot of the passing aims of of plays for for real We were not winning that game even with Cam Newton under center light display not the way the defense played I mean Vinh it's one reedmen check it down Christian McCaffrey Richard Sherman tweeted that he knew he was going to get an interception on route the panthers are going to run he says that he called this out to his teammates on Wednesday so it's pretty clear that Kyle Allen is not as much live in Os starting record let's see that come to the ground crashing down in horrifying in disastrous fashion Obviously because Christian McCaffrey is selfish and he wanted all the touches in yards to himself the other one the other one that gets me too is when it's like the key to his issues with injuries it's now will will just give every single touch to are running back even when we're down by forty points in the fourth quarter I was live tweeting the game and I was trying to be as fair as possible Kyle Allen during it because there's a lot of Kyle Allen troopers out there who are GonNa get triggered the forty niners hung fifty one honest there was there was no well and to be fair you know Kyle and gave them what not to do like he was probably telling is sabotaging him actually believe I just believe Cam Newton was there being like yo bro even if like I get it like you're trying to play down the field but in the NFL sometimes you gotta throw it away and live to play another down and I saw at least three in the issue what happened in fact Cam Newton was on the sideline on Sunday Kyle melted down and it's it's cam he's you know short fields to work with but even if cam was playing we we weren't winning the way the defense play now granted we might have lost something like the guy making the reads and making throws as it is like the the Games are plays or schemed up for what he's supposed to throw against good defenses that's not gonna work air lungs at right tackle after Dennis daily has played well as the web tackle over the last few weeks which was weird and then I I wanna say this is what I've had to deal with good luck have fun that's a fun easy is it yeah look at you and your the second series like five minutes into the game so they decided to start the game by making the offense of line play in a set they're not us three rusher it was just like he he created internal like interior pressure and of Allan took like one or two points to his left slid to his left he would have the rush you know thirty eight or forty two to twenty seven or something like that it might have been a little more respectable and it wouldn't have been an embarrassment but we were before that like after that I mean it's it's weird it's wisdom well it's it's like I don't know if it's because yeah one of one of the things that was really questionable that we've discussed in our slack chat to was a panthers decided to trot out Taylor Moton a left tackle and adventure Williams so who who's the lineup and by easiest domain who's the worst player in the lineup to move Abiam and whoever Van Roten would have had this kind of push out of the way but instead he just took off to his left and I think that's nick both had fallen over and he just ran into Nick Bosa who is was to try to I guess learn some chemistry early on which is weird like offensive lines generally play better sure not entirely sure is he's been he was hanging onto the ball a little bit too long in the pocket and there were at least three sacks he could have avoided by just throwing the ball away starting offensive line group after the one previously had been playing pretty well yeah I mean they ran all over the Jaguars they did well the we said yes or Sunday granted but he's not the reason we lost now I mean one of the reason but not the reason winning that game with the way the rest of the team played it's not completely all on Kyle Allen that that we lost he was not that good he did take off a couple of times where like maybe Cam Newton could've made a play out of it but you're not you're not cam kyle you're not like so and I think we need to be clear justify him being on the bench if he's not playing well so that that part really boggles my mind like I don't understand why they feel the need to get him out there surly or but it almost seems like the Panthers are trying to get Daryl Williams in the lineup because of how much he's being paid as if like you can't just have him be on the bench it's not a great amount six yes yeah it's not a lot it's not a lot and it's also not like they had sunk five years of their cap into this guy this is why if he's not playing well when it's not like he's making like seventeen million dollars a season he's on a one year deal I think he's making what like nine million maybe ten just like it would have been completely out of the play otherwise yeah and that was like that's his pocket presence in a nutshell it is like if I've learned anything from reading people talk about contract values if you don't get a good return on investment you might as well does not play football yeah so you only get the best way to get return on that investment it was maybe three or four series into the game panthers reverted back to Dennis daily and Taylor moton devastate left tackle it wasn't even that like it was like who is the one that we can make explain away the best I know we'll take the rookie sixth round pick yeah John You and I had a little bit of back and forth about Rebecca from his concussion issues right yeah I mean like it's been what what is three four weeks now with him make sure he plays exactly I mean we've already spent the money back it's not even if they spent a huge amount of money either live contracts or because of tenure or both but it was like all right we'll trade centers back gotta move their Williams at right guard but we can't just the audience offensive line played shit like go ahead I didn't I didn't I never really pay like really close attention leave the one that sticks around while they're Williams probably shouldn't like after yeah I'd be surprised to see a team pay him next year but yeah you're gonNA but like if any team offers him any unfashionable pants that coaches where now if you want to take college football exactly seriously as it should be taken subscribe for free on Apple podcasts or in you'd hope that he gets out of the concussion protocol hopefully in a conservative estimate the next two weeks maybe this is simple there's there's no rush you like leave them all in the same spot where they're aware of what the guys on the on their sides are doing but now Ron Rivera's choice was let's just throw it a totally 'cause as if they're going to pay him more to be on the bench lying rollason understand the sunk cost fallacy yeah you gotTa have a return on investment sort of significant amount of money and now by just like any amount of money there's no reason the panthers should try to to match that they're fine especially if little ends up getting you could argue elite so hey I'm Spencer Hall I'm Holly Anderson I'm Ryan Nanny I'm Jason Kirk and we're the hosts of the shutdown full cast yes I saw Daryl Williams get literally onto the ground we got you gotta get him on the field man yeah like the entire offense of line got offensive line and in terms of like who like the individuals and who's doing their assignments and stuff but I didn't notice him like being anymore any worse than anybody else him come out during the offensive self-destruction and when they put Daryl Williams in there to style him of a him now versus him years ago as like Oh man he's got a little hefty I don't know I mean like I saw Royd on Sunday and I think it's I think I understand where the weight issues are coming from but I feel like it's unfair to judge Turner on this game when literally back those great wide receiver they had like Devin funchess and Kaelin clay and Brenton Bersin that's years he hasn't been good since two thousand fifteen I say that all the time two thousand seventeen he got he wrote into the playoffs in year so like if you gotta guys playing better on cheaper deal what's the problem especially guys playing better on the cheaper deal is probably going to be I heard about from what I've seen with Cam Newton that's more than enough time to to in somebody's career that is true Cam Newton's career has been over since last your favorite podcast app what do you think of the The blowback on Trade Turner I think it's unwarranted I do see what people are talking about with his his weight though yeah he's a big boy but like the pictures in the scratching post today Oh years yeah not he's old well over the hill he's what thirty quarterback never play past thirty nope no Thursday's pro wrestling too unfashionable pants worn middle school we also do talk about college football every now and then like mascot fights announcers fleeing the booth early and that's true Yep so let's talk about the defense I don't to bring him back I don't think is daily played poorly as forty niners but everybody who's GonNa play poorly against forty niners their entire defensive line is really want to but I think we should so the Coleman has figured out and so two defense by bringing in smaller faster more athletic pass rushers can we agree on that at least know I've they have I didn't he really wasn't like and I don't think four weeks of being on the bench is going to doom his career either so maybe wait her recover from injuries either ever not when they have not when they have to in somewhat quick succession. That's why I think Patrick Daryl Williams either this isn't like a Matt Kalil contract I mean it's not great but it's not like you can't it's not like they're paying him so much money that you can running game and they kind of revealed what does panthers defense is which is that date they did sacrifice the rushing yeah I think the problem is that I John I know I brought these concerns up to you over the last few weeks I think it was basically a rusher kinda penetrated through the through the center guard and but he wasn't like a of vendors of college football podcast it says in the script onto riff on what that means and basically what I mean is this all spoiled every Tuesday we talk about everything from cooking disaster it since the second half last year I forgot about that is is been reminding me years since the first half of last year we have seen in years everybody sucked yeah now I don't know I don't remember him being a problem in the first game in the first three games got hurt housing getting hurt nope never once not once he was only benched on Maranon injury here's had the ability to release lean on the running game and that was what worried me for the last few weeks about this panthers team because we saw flashes of how bad the could be against the run in a lot of times they were downplayed and against the Jaguars were correct the running game didn't matter that much even though Leonard Fournette did have some plays but this was a team who was they they all had the ball in their hands at one point in time and then hit the ground and they're all just laying on the ground like oh no mike you suck the season committed to run the football and the game situation dictated that they could control the football as much as they wanted to they ran the ball they had the users. NFL disagree with that fought part I thought that was the way to go yeah no I think it's just in this particular situation the forty nine homes is done yep dislocated his kneecap I don't think this guy's ever gonna be healthy as well bring Jimmy Clausen and if you think he's GonNa be this Young Panthers Front seven has been against the run it worked against a lot of other teams but the forty niners seem to have a counter for everything they did and even Luke Kuechley seem to be and the forty niners just took that and hit a home run with it because they not only did they run the ball well but they also capitalized and how aggressive this young of the remaining schedule but those are the ones that worry me in terms of creativity getting running backs in space you cut out times for negative three yards as well so yeah they contain Matt Brita that's Nice Right yeah they did Carrie against the panthers when yeah not very many other people are doing that Brad what are your thoughts pretty much what Johnson like the fake on the misdirection and then a toss to a wide receiver or the jet sweep to Deebo Samuel like they just throw out that kind of offense mainly because Gerakan runs like a eight second forty yard dash the titans are also like Super Bonilla and the only teams that are I think will pose problems are granted that's three of the last nine games as a third I think teams can try to emulate it but Kyle Shanahan for whatever reason just has ron's number so I don't know it's just about limiting them and making plays when the teams pass I also think Kevin Coleman is a perfect fit for what Kyle Shanahan testing 'cause they were misdirecting the crap out of us it wasn't even just the misdirection it was also like the play action runs had so many different facets of their rushing offense where the panthers are already on their heels that it seemed like there was just no getting passed in this game takes a special combination of of Kyle Shanahan and Tevin Coleman to do what we saw yeah the play calling was really CBS Murray was super productive this past Sunday so yeah it's an Aaron Jones just had one hundred fifty nine yards receiving so yeah he also had two touchdowns taken away think any other team is going to have the horses to do with the forty niners did unless they can have kyle Shanahan come in and call their plays in design their run place I mean I don't know I don't think the issues are going to be correctable because they've been it's been an issue the big plays advantage you all season Ed I mean you know I don't I don't think it's a quote unquote correctable but I also think that it take to get their shit kicked in for once for once yeah yeah so maybe it'll get corrected I mean the titans are not likely to they had two hundred and thirty two yards on the ground with six point one yards per carry the you have to factor in the fact that Nick mullins kneeled the ball mark born in Andhra in high school in Alaska Wow I imagine there's like one football team in Alaska and they dislike scrimmage that what games where you're talking about backers and saints I agree agree to the Saints Have Alvin Kamara in even when they don't in fact you learn something new every time you listen to this show as we're here for your trivia facts hard out eric had eight tackles total he also had a sack that's about all you can say positive Bruce so panthers defense not great there were there were some good performances though I mean Luke equally from two that were like long ones on it's going to be a problem yeah so moving away from the Russian game because that's sad too depressing talk about so doors kid of Linemen and defensive backs at times and things of that nature but on offense we absolutely refuse to rotate anybody so I don't unless haven't Coleman Stars bouncing from team to team I don't know if that's not gonna get that bad but I do think the running the big plays will still happen of a that idea yeah I was getting a little annoyed with him in Rhonda Rhonda always hates us we know that but I would have been fine they scrimmage against polar bears yeah yeah because polar bears totally reside in Alaska Yup pass rush goes there but this is just another general coaching staff question We seem to be a big on rotating defense with if March slayeth played tight end like he would have made sense yet like you know if it was like Tony Gonzales talking about national a Christian McCaffrey there on the field every single play yet the only reason brands illustre got out there was because Jerry right was hurt ask us as up there north big cities are also up there at the big part of Alaska in near the Arctic Circle Eleven targets on the season that's ridiculous no Sir Twenty Twenty three total touches for those for the non guys talking about which combined would be just a much less from Alaska I didn't either from Alaska marshawn didn't realize people were born in Alaska I think it's the run if it's bad and it's going to stay but I think like we're not gonNA see other like how many yards foreigners ad but they ever to carry led the forty niners with six receptions for eighty six yards did not score a touchdown on national tight end by the way national titles away oh no it was yeah Ron Ron mentioned that a few years ago in twenty thirteen I wanna say when it was brand new lavelle Ted ginn Steve Smith and it was like almost always they it makes sense but March slayer was was a guard like he he wasn't a tight end so I didn't understand it I really look forward to the day where as those guys on the field and you were just like what are these other receivers here for and that's a little frustrating the so the let's see here they have Logan Ryan knock him Butler both is a lot of polar bear problems up in Canada especially big cities like Montreal bad thing is that not the same three wide receivers it's always a Greg Olsen and always seems to be Chris Manhertz and Christian McCaffrey quite underrated I think the front sevens pretty good they have giral Casey could be another game where it's tough Ian Thomas played well in his first year and they have two running backs on the roster wants a young rookie they just drafted and Reggie Jonathan Greg Olsen guests to call a game with George Kill national tight end game because I feel like tight end day because I feel like that's GonNa be great just good commentator TV is GonNa get targeted like fifteen times they play they play man coverage Colin is not going 'cause he's not going to trust what he sees damn well the good news is this Sunday even though the panthers will face wants to do with rushing offense yeah and that's that's that's why they signed a but he's averaged now that's three games reset gone abroad who like really take over a game and go over one hundred dollars receiving Brad what do you think of that I mean another plus side is the panthers would likely play Ryan Tannehill who was not great on Sunday the five the five players that we always have on the field more same on McCaffrey Olsen and right the rest of the team supposed to be like Christian McCaffrey Christian McCaffrey life but now let's just throw the same personnel out their defense is totally won't know how to handle that a heavy dose of the Derrick Henry running the ball probably after this past Sunday the panthers pretty much showed that running the ball against them could be the way to beat them let's see here there will no I know I know who I I knew that I was talking about defensive backs I know they have a so that'll be good I don't know like the titans are underrated tossed leading for the offense as those guys are pretty good and I don't know if I trust Dj more or Curtis Samuel Right now at least with Kyle Alan at quarterback ah I remember we did it a few years ago and it was just like we only ran like three wide receivers at all and it was just like that just robbed Danske so I'm going to go panthers thirty five titans ten thinking anybody else but most had the long run and just having doing what seven Coleman has been doing to the Panthers Rupaul the old patriots pages anymore a Dory Jackson may or may not play not sure yet still but according to certain titans fan I know who I may or may not be average got like eleven judges yeah I could totally see McCaffrey going over two hundred yards scrimmage again and that would be good very good for the offense it's coach so brad what do you think of the what do you think the scoring is going to be on Sunday wow thirty five point by the panthers offense led by Kyle Allen wow well of course yeah he's the future I agree yeah I I had to do with Brian Burns not really playing a whole lot with the club on his hand but it's good to see that our depth solid as far as the if on the team behind more Samuel Olson McCaffrey who has one hundred eighty touches in the next sizes forty tax for Bruce Irvin he had it he had Bruce Irvin had a safety to game in general it was just like the whenever we did something good it was like oh it's preserving again this cannot be blown out forty two three or some shit like that yeah I remember that game yeah and it wasn't like the titans were more talented than the panthers they just straight up outcoached like horribly that was also a Ron Rivera team by the way for those listening in wild believe it don't believe it for a second yep not really all that difficult to interpret just all you gotTa do put Cam Newton on the sideline yet put Cam Newton on the sideline limit cash Christian McCaffrey and let Kyle they will face Matt Patricia no excuse me that's the lions my bed that would be Mike Fable another former patron ten titans victory I think that the the I think the blueprint is out there to beat Kyle alum which is early never mentioned that it was just as well I think it's a George kill thing so that which is why March Larry was a big a big fan and I also have a little ptsd from what was that two thousand eleven where the panthers pretty good on the satellite brats it it's very difficult now to feel confident and he's worth scoring prediction because I thought like much like Brad that lasts this game is the forty niners is going to be like how did I came on one run but he also had a second big get called back because of trade turner's garbage human garbage self I think that's never seen him not once John What about you what's your scoring prediction for this game so he's going to just check it out of McCaffrey ton and then McCaffrey's for sure going to be able to win in man-to-man coverage who's covering him so and you're you're correct yes I'll tell you I'll tell you I have a thought all right Christian McCaffrey due to the the titans bowl probably throw a lot of men coverage at the panthers the titans defense is also I was so right last time when I said the panthers forty nine it was going to be one of those old time he ten nine offensive battles the offense bad for his long term health but whatever don't care about that 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Steven Ruiz joins us to talk about how the Panthers failed Cam Newton

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Steven Ruiz joins us to talk about how the Panthers failed Cam Newton

"The crazy part by boyfriend keeps going back and ordering eggs and getting into fistfights with the same cook. And she's his critics this. There's one part where she's like. I've suggested we go to a different restaurant even a different waffle house and he refuses like He. He must go to that specific waffle house fist. Fight the cook there like Peter and the chicken from family. When you think about it it is funny. Just imagine being in Waffle House and be like. Hey man these eggs are not right. I ordered over easy. And they're like well done and then he's like okay. I got you bro. And he brings you scrambled eggs. And then she's like he brings him a piece of toes with a hole cut in it and like a hard boiled egg in the Middle. Wake like it just keeps escalating. How ridiculous it is behind. It just gave a chicken like not even so funny if he did that. Just a just a chicken. Free tickets talks down food. Hello and welcome to keep sounding podcast as always this is. Brian joined by Brad and John. Brad how're you doing on this fine evening? I am doing great Brian. Thank you for asking. Yeah NO PROBLEM. It makes me feel good that you ask how I'm doing. I always want to check in especially in these times. It makes me feel special. I'm John How are you I'm doing? I'm doing wonderful Brian Good. I'm glad so for this particular episode. We have a special guest. We have Steven Rue us at these Stephen released from four the win USA Today on to talk about Cam. Newton Stephen Are you doing? I'm I'm not doing well. You're not doing just wanted to say that the balance doing wonderful realistic. We're in court scene. Guys just podcast is happy so they have this funny little bit where they decide to They just do a disingenuous. I'm doing great. That's been going on for weeks now. So don't worry it's fine. So for this special edition of the keep sounding podcast. I know there are a lot of panthers fans out there. Who after the draft and everything? Neither were finally done. We know who the panthers draft picks are for the most part. The roster's fleshed out aside from free agents. That may or may not get signed depending on how things go in the off season. They kind of just want to move on from the whole Cam. Newton drama well. Guess what we don't so I brought I love it. I should say we should clarify that. Some of US don't some of US. Don't so steven actually tweeted about something. Said it was a specific quote. Tweet said what could you talk about for thirty minutes straight with no prep it all. And he said how the Panthers Failed Cam Newton and that resonated with me so I was like. Hey come on the show and talk to us about that. So okay so Stephen. You've got thirty minutes. Let's go I the only one talking to sit here. Mike is our planes and video games. In the Ron Rivera. Press conference when he made the comment about the deems. Everyone finishing five hundred. I'll just play that God. Analytics were so looks. Good that one. Yeah I want to say before. We go further into this. I've been watching Recordings of my recordings on my DVR NFL red zone. When I have nothing else on. Tv to watch. And I don't know if it's the bitterness or the fact that Ron has gone it's like A. You can see things with more clarity because you don't have any of that. Hope for optimism or whatever types him because he coach of your team but watching some of these vendors games of the decisions and some of that stuff. It's like why did we not like? Why do we put that for so long like this is really bad? Yeah like kicking kicking a field goal just to avoid a shutout when you by like twenty. I just saw that. I was watching whatever week. That was where they're losing to the Falcons like twenty to nothing and it was the fourth quarter and kicked a field goal in like four thousand four. Because it's like all right now. We've got a point like yeah. You're still down three scores. Good job but hey we didn't get shut out but didn't get shut out. Tom Play the worst quarterback game in the history of football outsiders but stuff like that. The Cam Newton. So we're going to get into a Christian. Mccaffrey taking ninety nine. Percents of snaps as a running back. The cringing announcers calling him riverboat Ron. When he's done when he does things like punt from the thirty five yard line and then he has the audacity to say no I'm analytical Ron. I ever did neither analytical nor are you a gambler yeah but this is the show about Steven Steven. What what would you say? Is your biggest like reason. The Panthers Failed Cam Newton. I mean I didn't even put it on there. I think you gotta put up. The office. Just never really built around him. Beat correct me if I'm wrong. The only off at the players they draft in the first round while he was there was it Kelvin. Benjamin Dj more and Christian. Mccaffrey yes something like that. And he only played one year with Jay. Moore won half a year healthy first McCaffrey. I mean he's a great player but still running back in the first the top. Ten We Kelvin. Benjamin was only in the league. Basically 'cause camping carried them to relevant the right when he left him. He's I don't he's not in the league anymore so that didn't really turn out. Well either. The drafting of a running back. Does it really help your quarterback all that much you help your quarterback with receivers and pass catches in Offensive Linemen? Which the pay absolutely nothing with the offensive line. While he was here. It also did help that Christian McCaffrey. We use was used sparingly in his rookie year despite literally everybody who has ever watched football game looking at him and being like this kid is good fat but he's had a lot. Cheney's run John Stewart aren't yet we didn't see. We didn't see cam in like a good a well-designed offense until two thousand eighteen and we only got a half a year so I would also say the next thing on the list is sticking with for as long as he did when there is like so much evidence that he was not a good coach and they needed to do to move on stubborn Mike throughout his tenure and Carolina that Kinda permeated through the whole team though. It wasn't just Mike Shula just about every single coordinator or position coach. We had as someone who has close personal friends with Ron Rivera. A whether or not they they were worthy of the job or not like Richard Rogers. He has been a tight ends coach a secondary coach a special teams coordinator. He's terrible at all of those things but we kept him because he was literally because he was teammates with Ron Rivera. At cal my even Eric Eric Washington. I don't think he have been a defensive coordinator evident. How Much Sean? Mcdermott had a impact on that defense. After he left like right when he left it went downhill. It it's pretty easy to say. Now in Hindsight Sean. Mcdermott is the reason why why. Rivera even has the reputation he does as a defensive mind. Yes it's like. He was too scared to go. Hire hire new. People like Inter actually interview people for Jobs Win. Coordinators got poached from. This building is the closest to that job already. We'll just give them under role. Just I think the thing about for me because you touched on it that me most mad about the career arc of candidates so far is that he spent what six years with Mike Shula as offensive coordinator is that. How long was I thinks? Oh five or six thousand thirteen to two thousand team. So about five hundred eighty. Oh not replacing was really. I thought was the biggest mistake of his. Like in terms of hiring coaches put on him not defense. Shula over even the dogs matter on very yes in the dog's name Ski Way. Just a little fun fact one of them but yes Mike. Shula does replacing Robertson Ski. Who I think was for the most part pretty good with Mike. Shula who again? I don't know how tolerate that for as long as we did. I guess the two thousand fifteen season right in the middle of it or came just kind of carry the team really kind of softened how bad it was around that year pretty much but having Mike Shula as the majority of Cam Newton's career to this point S. his offensive coordinator is such a disservice to not just can't do it but I think everybody painters fans. Nfl FANS football fans. Just everybody go ahead. Stephen go ahead. Housing to fan bases are usually hard on their offense coordinator. Whether it's Jim it or not but like Nash. About Shoo football people on E. She wasn't just panthers fans. It was pretty much everyone that watches football football teams. Fans hate their offense coordinator. I think both Gordon's especially their offense coordinator because it's a very you know. Every result every negative result gets remembered more than the positive results. But Yeah Mike Shula. I don't think there's any defense for Shula being a good offensive coordinator. There were many games they could have won even with Cam Newton with half an arm in two thousand eighteen where bad play calls fucked them and I think norv Turner. He's an upgrade over my shoe of it. I think it was upgrading from the one of the worst office of Rangers in the League to up to a below average office coordinator. Just just because he's outdated and some of the decision making was so predictable and stubborn. I think we talked about it. A Lot. In Twenty nineteen the amount of times where we try to go heavy formation and right up the middle on short yardage situations despite the fact that it never worked it things like that and I know it was not as an internal again. was basically forced into resigning with the Vikings two years earlier. Did back then pure saying these out. It wasn't like they weren't bringing like offense. We saw the race even know in twenty news. This like Oh we're going to Christian McCaffrey. Let run a sniper out like yeah. You should have been doing that. The whole time just to Christian McCaffrey. Who got a bunch of catches and stuff so but like he was used as a check down out of the backfield and it was never really utilizes a receiver or as a weapon as much as he should have been and it was just. It was exactly what you'd expect if you take a guy that was really good at his job. Twenty five years ago and give them the same job. Now it's like you have. Your ideas are really innovative based on. You can't stale now. Yeah part of it is that Rob Sheds inskeep brought him a lot of norv Turner concepts to Carolina. When I came in so then I guess in Ron Rivera's mind it made sense to have Mike. Shula come in and continue those and then then they just brought in North Turner offer rather than rather than having new offense or try. Try something new. They were just going to continue to use those concepts which in practice might make sense right it. It just kind of proved that didn't really work long term unless Cam Newton was playing like the best player in the League which you can keep the often somewhat consistent without just hiring. Another of your old buddies. That hasn't done well at that job for decades. Yeah I mean Cam made a lot of highlights the things when they brought in Shula he didn't really have the same. Coaching background is to see like I don't know if you guys remember. But like the talk around. When he took over was that they were going to shorter passes and make things easier on Cam when they were throwing deep allow out and I think I'm pretty sure she was. Background is in the West Coast offense so it was a different system. They just it's like they brought in a different guy to coach the same often and it was predictably a mess. Yeah like Hey Mike I know. This is your specialty. But we don't want you to coach that you're just here because you're you just read. Us giving it his job. Because you're already here so it's like my trying you dad's famous because my show has also never really been successful anywhere. He's gone belly was win. At how? How hard is it to win it Alabama? And he couldn't even do it so he he was in office coordinator for the buccaneers. Guess too late night again is a massive gaps. Yeah if to hazard from one thousand nine hundred sixty nine hundred ninety nine for fifteen years later will maybe. You'll be better. But their offense under Mike Shula was in yards per game was twenty eight. Twenty Nine Twenty Second Twentieth and finished in scoring. There's no better than eighteenth and we're like this guy. I think this guy's got it now. It's pretty telling that when he wants to the giants he wasn't allowed to call plays after he left very. That was very funny decision. Yeah what's your offensive coordinator but you don't do your job The part of your job. That's most forward-facing I mean we're laughing at the Patriots team. Let him call the point. I know yes I know right thing didn't want yes but the people involved in that decision aren't here anymore and they can't hurt us anymore. So we can. We can laugh at that too but yeah letting my call the place was like could you imagine I can be around Rivera. I live in Washington. Dc near him again. I can't be me. What do you get back to the canes that I want to hear what you or your expectations are Ron Rivera in Washington? Like he'll be better than what they've had but not great. It's a low bar. I think he's the type of coach in theory that with team that's rebuilding just because he kinda didn't of course he doesn't have Cam Newton in that made his job so much easier. I would not be surprised if it's a disaster. Didn't his head coach now earnings. Weren't that inspiring like Jack Del. Rio which is kind of interesting to do in twenty twenty then the higher attorney Classroom of the panthers and I am anything I don't think he proved his worthy of an offensive coordinator job. Either thought it was so funny that Washington apparently had a you know they've had the kind of the what's it called pipeline of office of coordinators. Like Sean mcvay and Kyle Shanahan in that and apparently there was another guy who was looked at the similar way in Ron. Like get him. Outta here. I gotTA bring in Old Buddy Scott. Turner run the offense. Yeah I forgot about that would take off the back so the very it was another stubborn hired by Rivera Kit rid of they added place already and bringing his own guy who doesn't really have a track record of being offense coordinator all it was like his last two years in Carolina. Starting with when cams shoulder started to go bad on them it seemed to turn into a train wreck and then he gets hired by Washington and instead of using that as a chance to like start clean and bringing a new staff. You've just brought every body of the train wreck in Carolina and early. The working with new. I think the reason why he has his job like Washington probably looked at him and look what he did with this former first pick. He'd made him into a star at future. Mvp but that's not really what happened. If any he's he's the reason why dotting on any anymore. The lead can't play hurt. A bunch of times started in two thousand fourteen when ended up making the playoffs but cam was like beat up any. I think he took like eight sacks in Monday night game against the eagles. And you just tell that he should not be playing anymore and they kept pushing. I mean they got a playoff went out of it but I don't. I still don't think it was worth Lang Cam. Newton the rest of that season. I think that was the season he he got in a car accident two. We broke his back or no. Yeah he like Boca Brunner's back or whatever was that was this. He broke his back into the Patriots. The same season we got in the car accident. I think so yes. There was two thousand. Eighteen is the greatest season in team. History there's a lot of That's a pretty frequently recurring trend with whole leading players. Play when they shouldn't be playing 'cause there to hurt. You mean this past season when when Cam Newton literally and they still let him play against the buccaneers. He's as I do is fine. I mean yeah. He couldn't run but he said he was so we thought he was. Okay yes Stephen. There was a bit of a tangent that one of our writers went off on about but essentially boil down to that. Like Cam couldn't run but he didn't really like tell anyone. But Ron didn't go to him and say you run a forty yard dash me quick like just didn't do that before before the the the buccaneers game after suffering. At least that we knew at the time some kind of foot injury just didn't happen there was like oh well he says findings fine. No big deal trotted out there. That that's what happened in two thousand fourteen to quote gettleman and Rivera saying like cams a competitor and he's GonNa WanNa come off the field. That's exactly the bomb you're going to have to take command and tell them you're not playing. He made years later like that. Your Dad had you. Don't learn from your mistakes and I don't think Ron Rivera. Ever learned from his mistakes starts on fourth and one every once in Ohio conservative after burn of so many times early in his career. He always did that. Job was on the line when like there was no other option like when he was safe he was not going for it on fourth in one unless it was like deep in opposing territory. Spite having a quarterback ever that time remember that time when it was like fourth and inches from like the fifty maybe somewhere around midfield it was early in the game it was just. It was a low leverage situation. It's just a very easy to God. Just go for it. What he had to lose and CAM. Newton had team off the field because Ron rare. Shana pundits in the fifty on fourth and inches or quarter of a tie game. He had the offense freaking out about it. Like kicking punting unit off the field called time out so they could call play and three sure they picked it up. Like go out shocking. That with Cam Newton you can pick up a four inches from midfield that one thing that always made me mad about Ron. Not going forward is not like I could understand it. If we had like will greer quarterback. Who's awful at quarterback sneaks or whatever insert terrible quarterback here you know Mitch Trubisky or whatever Shout out all my bears fans there but he had cam. Newton like factually one of the best fourth in short quarterbacks in the history of the League and he would still not do. It was just so damn frustrating buck. You're one the the worst I ever was. I think. Two thousand twelve against the Falcons win. I think they were. It was fourth one. They could iced the game with the first down and then they ended up. I don't they punched or kicked a field goal miss and then that was the I think it was roddy white in not the more was the safety overnight. Nakimora Rookie Nakimora Aka. The next had read you. Y'All hate on Colin Jones. Bet remember he wasn't her rookie. Nakimora right just remember that. That's what I'm here for. I boost Colin Jones and I boost Brenton Bersin. That is my brand. Are you related to Jerry? Richardson on that. I am not but there is a there is a conspiracy theory out there versus. It's not a conspiracy theory. Allegedly Real Quick Stephen. Have you have you seen that? In depth it goes deeper than just. Brenton Bersin stuck around for a long time Atlanta WOFFORD. No I haven't seen my only thing is the Wofford thing I learned today. Brian Note Jerry. Richardson was neighbors with Brenton Bersin parents and then they split I think ensure and shortly afterwards she was pregnant and by shortly afterwards we need like less than a year later. Brenton Bersin was born. Well Yeah it was like. They split around the time that she would have been known she was pregnant. So yeah so people maybe they. They split because she add it was. Yeah this is. This is getting out of out of hand but yes that was. The timing was suspicious with them being neighbors and stuff. I'm guessing jeans Friday when a little too far my have that we're going to be an interesting side like Panton just put in the. I thought about a Britain Person Conspiracy Theory. I want an ESPN thirty thirty on the Britain. Bursts Injury Richardson paternity even. If it's just one of them's like fifteen minutes short series that they do I want I want. Espn TO GET JEREMY SHOP to get to the bottom of this. No you need like a Netflix. True crime type documentary on it Panther King. I mean I'm sure his brother knows and things. His brother follows me on instagram twitter. By the way just so you guys like. Brian's biggest achievement is lives it puts on his resume and everything from still trying to get. I'm still trying to get Brenton to follow me. I think he was created the me. He doesn't want to do it. You had a Brian's Lincoln page. He's got like a note followed by Britain on social media so speaking of Brenton Bersin though. That's another thing about how the panthers failed came to his his twenty seventeen season. God is wide world wide. Receiver he ever had was Steve Smith and they ran him out of town. Thirty five will but he was still better than anybody else they had. Yeah I mean before you got all tumour. Steve Smith was still playing at a top level for that one year and then he got hurt. But I mean we're talking about they provided Cam Newton with Kelvin. Benjamin Devin funchess. Ted ginn Brenton Bersin Philly Brown Jericho Koch Corpse Leggate a Jira to to who else have we had it wide receiver. Dj More doesn't really count because we drafted him two years ago jared. He didn't make the team though he doesn't go so here. We'll go this year by year. We had a keen knicks difficult. We had a keen next for you so we had the number one. Everyone got excited about US Stephen Hill. Oh my God the jets guy. The guy that was. Hi Dan I was there with. Uber's he tore his ACL. That's still one of the most nightmares things I've ever heard. Like you could hear that dude scream from like five hundred yards. Away was so bad. So the panthers had Greg Olsen for all Cam Newton's time here which is good Africa tight end but his top three wide receivers as a rookie And a lot of teams when they draft a quarterback like to surround them with weapons. Like the Bengals this year draft Joe Borough and then they drafted named T. Higgins right. Yeah so it's IT'S. It's an injury luck they'd have to Hilton in the same draft and some other stuff like that but too yeah. I think. Kobe cleaners correct as well. Sound look into the panthers in two thousand and eleven. What was their second pit? What was their second. Oh we traded away. That's right the two thousand eleven draft other than Cam. What's an absolute shot Joe? Yeah while it's going to look and see like no one other than Cam and cam isn't right now but no other player. We drafted in two thousand. Eleven is still in the league that was drafted Cam. And then we drafted defensive tackles Siani a fool and Tara Maclean and then bring up Hogan so this trade defence. Yeah after that. So that Cam. Newton comes in as a rookie with his top throughout receivers. Being Steve Smith Lega do and Brandon lavelle. He still had a Jeremy shockey as well as Jerry. Yes Jamie Shawki. We'll give a little bit of that. But the Jack. He's gone soon. Get Steve Year. Jeremy shockey it wasn't Prime Jeremy shockey. So you've got old St Smith's in it brandon. Lavelle is right Assira number two and then Louis Murphy was wide receiver number three in your to. I totally forgot Louis. Murphy I too. I forgot about him. He was like super promising to thought. I don't remember him either. He was. I'm looking at this is by targets. Let's see have desperate panthers fans word because I think he got cut by the raiders who oversees. He's Kinda Fast Steve Smith Brandon. The fell Ted Ginn in twenty thirteen when we had a really good team like all of the years. Haven't passing when you know. Steve Smith is aging out of the League and eventually going to run out of town and you never thought to like. Let's put somebody young. That's not brandon. The fell another thing about two thousand thirteen real quick to. They only used the same like five skill position players the entire season. They never had like a a wide receiver. Four or five on the field. It was always the same three guys telling us the wide receiver. Four and five Brad. I I did forget about that too and I. It didn't really get any better. I guess it got a little better with North Turner but as long as Mike Shula was here. It was it was like the top receivers like receiver number four and five only played one two or were hurt. Yeah which I understand getting your best players on the field but you would think to. Have you know various skill? Setzer fresh legs. They're just rotations. Morale of your team will know something. Brennan Ziltser had ninety yards and game of the season. You know just get some guys out there. See what they banned. The two thousand fourteen might be worse than might be up. There with. Seventeen thousand was pretty bad. That's when Britain Bersin really started getting snapped. That was when the mean started my friend because I wrote an article about how he was. I felt he was going to make team. I got flamed by a bunch of panthers fans because so and so other random wide receiver from Clemson was on the team and was an undrafted. Free agent was going. GonNa make it in Brenton. Bersin made it God. Damnit he's stuck around. He's a coach in the in the receivers room. Yes got a lot of grit. I never understood why he got so much hate. I really you know. Brian's Nima side it's not like anybody expected him to be. You know fucking Jerry Rice or anything but in Panthers Old Panthers Fans Panthers. He fumbled the punt in the cardinals. Game is the only reason the game was even relatively close. But he didn't he didn't fumble the punt he'd slid into it and didn't even hit him in the face mask. Yeah he didn't actually fumble it slick possession. He slid into the pun holding his hand. Kind of touching it. But yes I understand. You know if you draft a quarterback and especially given that. They traded their second round pick the year before for what was was that that would have been for our money Edwards. That same jeff is causing. Because you'd have to Jimmy Clausen the year before your money Edwards on the Dalai and the thing is they didn't know they were going to be that terrible and getting on tech and so that's what people they get mad about that trade because they use hindsight. We traded the first pick in the second round no didn't traded our second round pick. We did not know it would be number thirty three overall and if it makes anybody feel any better the patriots took Roz dowling with that pick. So it's not like they took Tom Brady but either way. So I understand like if you can't you know police in that first off season was a new quarterback but it took them until the twenty fourteen draft to take Kelvin. Benjamin and that's only because they completely gutted their wide receiver room because they had no cap space to resign anybody. Yeah and then you draft Kelvin. Benjamin because of the really helped Hollywood's the sound logic that Cam Newton throws high so we just give somebody taller. He'll be more accurate. Act that you cannot teach six five to forty yes. It's amazing to me that was thought to be. The solution is just like we'll give them someone taller. He'd six five to twenty either. Wasn't dropping down but why not just like what if we just got him somebody that could get open and then he would have easier throws to make like no you gotta give them the. Tall Guy and we'll guy so have tall slow guys. That can't get open. Expect candidate to be more accurate. 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Stay on top of it all by listening to pivot with garrison and Scott Gallery. Every Tuesday and Friday. Subscribe on Apple podcasts. Or wherever you listen to podcasts. Is there anything Stephen Though? We have not touched on yet. I was GONNA ask Stephen. Because he's an unbiased outside observers. Did we talk start? What was that? I was going to say we didn't bring up the tie yet tiger for times pack. But I mean this this Derek Anderson throwing interception on that one place that tie gate. I thought you were the Bena. Twenty fourteen can't do not wearing a tie. I'm not wearing a tie. And then not starting in the first place a pick six. Yeah Right Ron game. By the way was that was a very good performance by Cam Newton game. Although I don't even remember what happened at the end I remember the bengals. Kicker missed a field goal. Both KANTER's panther believes that win right. That's what it was the bengals every chance to win the game prior to The the end of the fourth quarter as well. I'm a fucked up so it was just a teams. Did like both teams tried to lose. And couldn't it was a war of a lack of attrition? Was this out. Baird twisted ankles twist in Greg Olson Ankle twists and Cam Newton's ankle my God Serano Vera Benches Cam Newton for not wearing a tie which I don't know I'm not in touch with other teams. It is it common for NFL teams to have a dress code where teams are players. Have to wear a tie on the bus to row James or whatever it was. We've heard not something I've ever heard of before or since. Yeah Yeah. I've heard people being Benjamin for bench for more egregious things than that like being late or something but we're not wearing a tie seems kind of trivial to me and especially because he was dry. I was just about to say that. It's one thing if he shows up in in like a fuck you t shirt with torn like bought like gym shorts or something like he looks like he just rolled out of bed but he was. He was dressed nice. He just didn't have on a tie and a suit jacket or support coast. He was wearing a sport coat and like a sweater vest and a collared shirt. I mean frankly. He was dressed much better than he dresses now. But you know just because he wasn't wearing a necktie it's a stupid rule especially because it was like what was the situation for not wearing a tie. But where was he not wearing the tie on the bus or the plane? Whatever they traveled he was was just somewhere in transit and transit. Yeah it was either the team bus from the hotel to the state to the stadium or on the plane to Seattle. I don't remember which it was but but it was the team travel and wasn't that a Sunday night game. Yes it was a prime night game wasting all day for Sunday night and in the first thing is that Derek Anderson throws that mother fucking interception. I will say it wasn't a pick six. I got returned to the eight. Okay okay. I wasn't even really wasn't Anderson Fall Right. I Remember Eight. Tober right in hands and landed in the hands of the D. But it's just a perfect start because yes yes yes in. Primetime and I. I can't think of a single or time. This has happened where team starting quarterback gets bench to start a game for you know an off the field reason especially because Kim to and also made a comment that nobody really talks about where he said. He thought the outfit was appropriate. Because he's worn something like that in the past. Which makes it sound. Like Ron Verges decided like you know what nothing this now. There's no tie having nonsense we're going to. We're going to send a message input Derek Anderson. Start the game on Sunday night. Football like that. That'll really make your reputation. Look good against one of the best defense is in league in one of the hardest place to play. Yeah in Seattle in Seattle comes into the game seven three and one. You're season is not going. Well they were doing it like in Cincinnati last year on thing and then you lose forty. Two seven yeah. I'll tell you teach your franchise quarterback to where I can't remember but I think that was one of the few times I've written the post game report in like the third quarter and I've just said hey this is over. Y'All have a good one. I'm going to bed because it was out of hand by that point. Yeah Trevan Boyfriend got snaps for the seahawks. Fourth quarter like. They ran for eight yards a carry. It was just. It's one of those things where you're like embarrassed to be a fan team like I can't go out in public after this cons. Ross felt that way but that game was one of those times. What is they stephen? I don't even remember watching the second half of that. I'm pretty sure I turned it off early. And I don't. I don't usually turn off Panthers Games. I don't blame you especially on a Sunday night where it's like you know what? I could just go to bed. Yeah Yeah it was total waste of time and panthers fans get mad now when we don't get Primetime Games on the schedule they're like we don't get prime-time get well because we do shit like that when we do. That's why we don't. We deserve to play at one o'clock on Sunday every week. That's where everything's safe. Yes plus I don't have to stay up till midnight. I guess the last thing I wanted to discuss so Stevens tweet just because I'm sure we'll bring more stuff up with that would you? What other thing we. We didn't talk about yet was Cam Getting blamed for the panthers losing the Super Bowl. Because he didn't dive on a fumble that the broncos are pretty much already recovered. God that gift. Just the bane of my existence. I me it every watched that roll a couple times like all twenty two of it. I still maintain a Cam Newton to not play poorly like eating it rate. He played okay but I thought he played fine. He was not alert by. You'd like he could best player on offense. Yeah couldn't help that Jonathan Stewart got hurt and couldn't help that Mike. Tolbert fumbled the ball twice and he had only fumbled it three times all year if you include the Super Bowl I mean that's not camps fall and it's also not camps fault that the referee's got Jericho Khatri's play wrong or that. The field was so horrible. Horrible net. Mike lower is literally on skates at times. Trying to block demarcus ware. Yes I'd hate. That made the argument that none of none of camps turnovers I think he ended up having three turnovers. None of them were his fault. Like the intercept and bounced off. Ted Kuenz hands which I mean. That's the thing does but that was in the red zone too and then there was the drop in the red zone by. I think it was caught on the sideline male ends up missing. Vehicle is just a frustrating game to watch. That was actually my first week writing at for the land and nobody knew I was panthers fans and they were all rooting. They're all rooting for the broncos. And I was just sitting there like quite. I was under the assumption that I was supposed to be unbiased. And I couldn't like reveal that it was the panthers fan. I was dying inside as they were on profit. If it really was a game of the panthers during the regular season went wrong but yeah the two and then you talked about the intersection. The fumbles both just completely unblocked defenders. Right yeah I was the blindside as long as yeah right after the Khatri play. Which if if the referees make the correct call and they give Khatri catch and he's down and then the next play is still the fumble. They probably don't return for a touchdown and our defense was playing so well. I genuinely think they don't score. They are they probably settle for a field goal. And it's a completely different game. I don't think about Kony ealy having a hall of fame performance net. Anything big ten for the rest of the read getting traded to the Patriots so the pants can move up eight spots in the draft and it turned that'd be a great trade for the Panthers of eight spots. Yeah I'm looking. I'm watching any of the Patriots Roster nope on the on the first fumble. Mike Rimmer is basically just access a tackling dummy for. I can't tell you it is there. Isn't it might be now's Miller. Is It von Miller? I didn't demarcus ware. Recover it but basically Mike rimmer is does almost nothing slowdown me Jackson. Michael Jackson okay. Yeah I've honestly I've drank that game away. Am I? Grammar is let's von Miller Basdeo uncontested into the backfield and he rip the ball away from from Cam Newton and he recovered for a touchdown. There's actually goes. Ted Gins hands and gets intercepted over fumbled one. He took one of them only field. Yeah those are his only two. Fumbles as a panther in his career. Yeah he played it to the right. Perfect time to do it. And in the other the other fumble was Mike Rumors got beat again and Cam just got ahead his hand as he was throwing it that was late in the game. Right it was four minutes left here. Everybody were trying to make the comeback. Yeah that pretty much sealed it and people like to show the the the Jif of him backing off of the fumble when he starts to step away demarcus. Ware has his hand completely on the ball. Yeah not like the ball is sitting there. And he's like oh no I don't don't get hurt. Don't get hurt and is it remers. That almost gets it away from him. It's one of the Lineman but that guy had way better shot of recovering the Baltin candidate. I think him of the the ball actually gave panthers the best chance of recovering the fumble down for it and then it got knocked away and hit two reps and recovered on the five yard line. Here's here's how dumb. I was after the NFC championship game. I remember being disappointed because I thought the Super Bowl is going to be a blow out. Does this is ABC cassette one and if you remember at the top of the Broncos were much like limping into the super bowl a steelers team that everyone was hurt the only reason they beat the Patriots the Patriots GonNa Block them. I just thought it was GONNA be a blow out for the panthers anti-climactic and little did I know. They still maintain to this day that if New England found a way to win the AFC championship game. It would have been a blowout. I think we would have beaten the shit out of New England without a doubt. Check does not defend Camden. Yeah and Wade Phillips seems to be the only coordinator who knows how to just completely neutralize cam and we call beat the shit out of him every chance you get strategy. We just happened to face the wrong team in in the Super Bowl if New England would have we if New England would have played instead of Denver. We would have won. We also didn't really have the coaching staff to really counter. Two weeks worth of game planning from a really good defensive coordinator. What do you mean counter? What does what does that word mean. That mean. I thought we just we tell them what we're GONNA do. We just do it game plan. Yeah we got our game plan out. There will be stick with from START TO FINISH. Because the Broncos basically just like manned up everybody and blitz every play and. I think what? You really should have done this. Try TO RUN LEE. Probably just like run CAM more. Yeah yeah think what they did was they. Would they had a linebacker watching the running back to the RHINEBECK stayed in blitz? And if they went out they'd fall out there. I don't know why they didn't adjust because that's what they were doing all year. They were keep it in a bunch of people to block along the Light Bulb. Go off in the second quarter to send those guys out and then you have only a four man. Russia don't have to worry about blocking five. Yes that's what I'm saying like this is where you you you spread them out. You know maybe go like five lie empty backfield and get everybody out in pass patterns and then that opens the field for if there are unblocked defenders Cam canal run. But we can't do that because one of the top three receivers wasn't hurt so the fifth guy couldn't play so so we have cam six carries that game which was one more than Mike Tolbert. Who for some reason consistently got carries while he was here and never did anything with them? Eight hours third ones. Don't fail on their own. It is he at five years three point. Four three point six two point one four point one three point three yards per gary fullback. Right there. Yes that's exactly what he was but we thought he was a running back. He's third down like scat back but he weighs two hundred and fifty pounds and didn't we have Fauzi Whitaker at that time or was he hurt yet. He also had four carries in that game. Yeah so why? Don't we just go to Fosse instead of Tolbert because Michael Rookie veteran ability my friend my Tober is bigger very depressing questions to be asking about. We didn't give the ball the fog instead of it's Panthers Fan. I mean Jonathan Stewart got hurt. Predictably I mean we still had cameron. Artis Payne Yeah. That would been a good time to get a look at Cameron. Artis Payne another look at them. They didn't have enough by then. That's xfl league leading. Rusher Cameron Artis. Payne. Fucking hate Ron Rivera. Yes see this is. This is what I was talking about at the beginning of the show where watching Panthers Games nat like knowing that Ronald has gone. You don't have to cling to any sort of like you justification for the bad decisions and watching them now is like. Wow My god we dealt with that for so long. It was so bad it was so much worse watching it now than I realized it was. At the time I think in October. Two Thousand Eleven October. I said AH I second month it was. I think it was game against the Saints Early Season Number at one point. Maybe I'm remembering is wrong. But he called the time out at the end of the having gave the saints time to kick a field goal otherwise got to feel the ended up winning the game by three points. He's rash. His rationale was that they have got a twelve yard penalty. Even if you are twelve men on the field penalty guess. What even if there are. The clock stops anyway. Like there's no point of taking the time out. I was done within that time management long long nine years. So do you feel good about not rule? I feel better than I did. When he was first hired because there was those quotes about him saying like when we run x amount of times with this record which is obviously something. You don't really WanNa hear because it doesn't make sense but yeah yeah right since then I I. I've liked what he said. It's like how they handled the damn noon situation. Obviously but I don't think that was all him. I mean he's one everybody's been I don't know about his. I don't know about Phil Snow. I don't know what to expect him because he's not gonNA play the same defense we saw at Baylor. That was a big twelve defense. They rushed three every down. Basically I don't think we're going to see a lot of that. I don't know that over expect. You don't know that they might three every down kind of what they do. Justice knew what I mean. I know what will happen but I WANNA see it. Say They Win Games in the big twelve. You know you never know yeah. I'll wait and wait until probably October until I give up on him to. Let's see she can make it to November and then he'll beat Ronald Reagan. I pulled up the play by play from the game. You're talking about the saints at Third and twenty and drew brees completed a twelve yard pass in inbounds and I don't think they had any timeouts and Carolina called a time out with two seconds left with eighteen seconds. Left the saints have no timeouts and they're gonNA kick a forty five yard field goal for and Carolina calls time out so that they can settle down and get everybody like you know organized so they can kick the federal and how much they lose by Nike. It was three thirty to twenty zone. There was another thing there was another thing end ended the. I remember the two thousand eleven season vividly as the game. I Ju- brees was like driving the team down. And they they were like on the twenty yard line already and there was like a mid thirty. Maybe two minutes left. And Ron Rivera did not use any of his timeouts. Even though you know the saints are GonNa Score. It's drew brees and you're not going to run out of time if the if you're on the twenty yard line two minutes left you have more than enough time like use your time. Timeouts save enough time to make a comeback. He didn't do that. And The saints ended up winning at the. I don't think the panthers really had time to launch a comeback. This is just a frustrating game all around and I came upon Ron Rivera and I've never give them since even fifteen in one. I didn't forgive him and he said he was saying game right. Yeah I believe so. Yes they They're they're they're in the red zone with to the red zone with basically a little more than two minutes left in the game and they end up they take it all the way down to fifty seconds before they score. Carolina's get a chance to they sell out at midfield. The other thing about timeouts while the saints of the ball. Yeah sign out. Number one was called by the panthers with forty two seconds left in the game when they had the ball ons me. It's it does for all of us the other thing that he did a lot. I like how the Panthers Failed Cam. Newton has turned into what Ron Rivera did wrong. As the coach of the panthers the answer to how to the panthers fail came to just be Ron Rivera at that but Stephen said several times. He thinks it's more the front office than it was. Wron- yeah I'm interested in. I think John is what he's going for. Is Stephen Wise at the front office? Then Ron I mean a lot of it was what had happened before. Cam Newton even got there with what Marty. Ernie didn't the CAP in two thousand ten when he was trying to keep together. I like seventy nine team resigned to running backs and then Dave gettleman never I mean today. Get them credit. They didn't really have cap space when he came aboard and but he never surrounded him with talent. Either like the crazy things we spent all this time talking about Ron Rivera when Marty Hernia and Dave gettleman arguably the worst GM's of the last decade or at least the most criticized GM's was the last decade. That's how poorly they cam. Newton was handled that Ron Rivera coach. I mean he ended up winning to coach the year awards was probably the worst aspect of his career in Carolina. When you have those two. Gm's lurking in the background. Yeah who's worse Dave Gala? Mary Harney or have this out of the three rank and power rankings. Mardi Harney one. Mardi hurry to Dave gettleman. I'M GONNA say I'm GonNa Mardi Harney no aren't learning one. Drafty Cam Newton and Lucci Lee. So I'M GONNA put him third. I'll forget second and I'll I think Mardi honey to you is the worst so far. You think he's been the worst afar. Wow Okay I don't I don't know like he's what is he done better than he did his first time. I think he's been a little better about the Christian. Mccaffrey contract is a million times. Better than the Deangelis Williams and Jonathan Stewart contracts were even with the relative cap rise definitely. It's definitely a better investment but we have more information. Now that tells us not to overpay running backs or pay running backs like at least in two thousand ten. It wasn't like as frowned upon as it was now and there wasn't all this evidence out there showing you that running backs aren't really worth paying. Now you can argue that Chris. Mccaffrey is a different type of running back. But I think that argument because I know you know it. Yeah that's my my justification for it is. He's not just a running back. Like I would be very upset if he pay Derrick Henry that deal for example. He's also overpaid for slot receiver. I'll say that both Yadda Yadda combine it through. You're not gonNA convince me. That was a good sign. By one get rubber also depend on his utilization really to accurately gauge whether the contract worth in my opinion because if he's still running the ball like up there with the top running backs in the league and running it up the middle the no. It's not worth it. But if he's fifty fifty catching the ball running the ball maybe can justify it but really it really depends on his production and how they use them which is entirely on Matt Rule to prove to us that it was worth signing in at this point while my my biggest problem with the contract was I didn't think they needed to sign it when they did. They still had years of leverage that they could have used usually Makalu martines at least explore those options. They don't just give into the running back like last time. This happened with Todd Gurley. They signed him two years before they needed to sign him and he was. He's at arthritic knee before his contract even started the new contract even kicked in. That's fair I'll give you. I think already to has been a little better than one just but I think here's what I think is like the big indicator of how savvy your front offices The Panthers don't trade down they only trade up and I think that's a sign of a not smart front office just like that simple. The only thing that I'm saying Mardi I'm putting Marty one last just because he drafted Cam Newton and lieu keithly like give him an and cam. Newton was a no-brainer. Picking and leuke. Klay was no brainer. Pick too so maybe I maybe I'm ranking and that's the only reason I haven't last if you take those two moves out. I put him I. Oh yeah but yeah like with Dave table just like the Hubris involved with the whole like I know who my guys are some to go get him. Not You know not playing. The game at the draft is increase. Your chances of getting good hits by getting more chances. But the fact that we're like every fan base wants their team to trade back right because it means more pigs more chances for hits so you need a team. That's dumb enough to give up assets to not really improve their odds of getting a good player. And that's always the panthers. A I met back Everett round pick. Yeah Well Marta was real bad at it at like with ever brown and our Manny Edwards in that and then Dave gentleman was just as bad and a martyr and he's been like this versus been a little less bad. They still get greg little and apparently Matt rule arbitrary down. So that's Brownie points for Matt Rule Martin and he's like no we dare Brown's better than multiple trump. Ix right analogy before. Don't remind me about that I've seen before it's like this off. Season has just been so disjointed between the coaching staff in the front office like from the outside looking in. It's like like a one net account but two people have access to World War. One documentaries on it but there's also like love is blind and like reality shows it just doesn't make any sense in conjunction. I don't know what the team is. The Franck is doing is doing this off season. I'm interested to see how it goes. Hopefully it ends up with the panthers drafting Trevor Lawrence next spring. I I am curious. 'cause YEAH. I think that's going to happen. I think we're GONNA be that bad. I think we're going to be too good to get Trevor Lawrence. I've started to come around to thinking the panthers. We pretty bad burr. Going to be bad. I'm not saying they're going to be good. I just don't think they're going to be like one in fifteen two and fourteen bad. I mean I think with Teddy Bridgewater and Joe Brady. They could win five games. And I don't think five wins is going to be bad enough to get Trevor Arts unless they it just depends on the other teams. That are bad are like the dolphins went five and eleven and got to what fourth fourth because. Yeah because the teams in front of the net quarterbacks so it just depends on. Who's worse everybody's every team always looks like they improved every all season pretty much and like Hannah with the time that's passed and seeing how much other teams like receivable improved S. I I you know I could definitely see the panthers going for foreign twelve clearly. The worst team in the in the NFC south. I think that's even debatable. I think there'll be an enjoyable for twelve as much as I think. There's a way we talked about. This is a win win. They're bad there's hope for graphics if they if they're good is just a pleasant surprise but the only other team I feel like the other teams I feel like are in competition with the band is going into season are Jacksonville in Washington. Yeah I agree. I think that week. Fifteen game against Washington is going to be the Trevor Lawrence. Both or UNISEX OUR I would not mind ending up with Justin feels by the way I think he plays Watt Light Cam so I I wouldn't mind them getting him but the reason why. I'm more skeptical about them. Is like the Job Radi higher but I think he still has a lot to prove he spent one years offense coordinator he wasn't even really office coordinator passing game coordinator and apparently lsu became the best team at stealing signals last year in the country. And that's part of the reason why they were so good on offense. The other part is they had like eight. Nfl Pros on the team. So he's going to go from having a talented advantage of not having that anymore and I think on our roster to that's frozen Nelson well the combination of bad even so. I think we all agree that the panthers defense is going to be bad. Yes most likely in Teddy Bridgewater Conservative quarterback. I don't think that's a night a good a good match so I mean down on a lot of games in bridgewater not forcing the issue which he should be doing. Just you wait. Pj PGE WALKERS GONNA come out and light on fire after. He doesn't make the team on. He's not going to be I WANNA hear about Mr Sherbert. Panthers going to draft a quarterback over here. Pj WALKERS NOT GONNA make the team. Yeah you get out of here. I WanNa hear this science dealing thing. I've ever heard that before. Yes so I mean I got this from. This is like sources. But it's not like sources in the no but they heard it from like high school coaches who are in this like a lot because of the recruiting pipeline. So apparently that's a big deal in college football. I think Bruce Feldman from the Athletic Rhoda article about how how big. It's become because college defenses. Don't use the communication devices that you signals so get good at doing signals. That's a massive advanced apparently. Lsu was the best not only in the SEC but in the nation so much so that a lot of SEC coaches started. Lobbying for helmet headset because of lsu specifically. I didn't see I never heard. That is not anything legal right easy all right. They just got good at deciphering. Everyone does it so every day. They just got very good at it. I think that just makes I don't even know who is calling really calling. It just made offense look even better than it was and obviously they have all these pros artists. I saw something it was like Joe Brady called pass play like like I don't know it was. It was split between like he was like and whoever the other guy was called the between the twenty and run plays or something like that. A weird I don't know college weird. They don't have like regular setups. It's like asking game coordinated three step passing game this darling. Downs third downs red zone and pass plays Joe. That's your call first and second down other guy that your call but for inside their own ten. This third guy says it's when he gets involved you can get second in fours. Threes pregnant is on the second four. That's yeah 'cause that's your down to be creative. That's that's an interesting little nugget that Yes that's that's also an adjustment. 'cause YOU'RE NOT GONNA be able to steal signs getting related to to linebacker helmets. Everything else suggests that. Brady's a good coach is really well designed and he fit that offense to Joe Boroughs skill set. So that's encouraging that's all. You WanNa see coaches creative. Play designs in. Does he adjust his talent in job. Radi check both of those boxes last year. Yeah Control and he's familiar familiarity with Teddy Roosevelt as well so this term. I don't know if we've talked about on the show. And then it's bad time to wrap it up. Have we talked about? The State House stereotypical the panthers. Coaching staff is no. We haven't like Matt Rule. It head coach is dislike motivator. He talks like a pastor. Like you know brings things together. The defensive coordinator is this older guy. Who's real rugged and has got this tough guy mentality and then the offensive. Coordinator is dislike young bikes. You know young whizbang wears glasses and looks like a nerd. You're saying are our. Coaching staff is a bunch of guys on the walking dead. Is that what you're getting? I don't know anything about the walking dead so as this coaching. The walking dead should've been the nickname for the coaching staff last year. Actually if this coaching staff is what was what was the previous sections to have. But I think was like an episode of like Hogan's Heroes or some other show from the seventies. It was what you would expect from the classic run the football play defied mindset and. I'm not saying I'm a edge and you win the game. Yeah the classic like nine thousand nine hundred eighty five eighty five. Coaching STAFF STEREOTYPE. All the twenty. While the twenty twenty panthers are like the two thousand twenty. Coaching staff stereotype. Yeah that's that's good call because you have linebacker at head coach that makes sense. Like no one's hiring linebackers head coaches anymore. I think the national I would hire. Yeah but I think that's what I'm talking about like these like defensive-minded guys. There is a very like brute. Force approach to football which is getting kind of phased our outpaced by more analytical approaches to football which tinted offensive minded. People and younger thinks defensive. Guys like to say we're going to be tough. We're GONNA establish the running run down people's throats and then and then one happens and they're like all the boxes. I'm scared they. Yeah now and that's can no longer beat up your dad as yes we dealt with for nine years. Yeah fucking Ron Rivera. Ernie's the only thing left and I've been okay with Mardi Ernie to point out but I there are. There are concerns and I think it might be a situation to where I'm just Blind I like a shielding myself from the negatives because he still here like with Ron Rivera. For so long. It was yet. I mean that's what you have to do. And it's funny. How he disliked. Kinda stuck around like it was never like formally announced that he was the outlasted. Give it to him. He just kinda like he was interim gm and then after a while he just kept you just kind of like. I'm GONNA call myself. Gm for short but I'm still the interim GM and then he just stopped qualifying GM. Now they even are on the payroll like Oh you just showed up like office space. They couldn't interview people for like promotions because he's the GM so they had to interview them for non GM roles. I know that Matt Rule said something about not even Matt Role. I think it was David. Everybody said something about having Mardi Harney take more of a backseat role and moving somebody else into like be more active as far as like scouting and whatnot goes. We keep having come in front of people like that. We keep hiring people that like lessen his role like we just hired that guy from the eagles to be like are pro scout the director of pro scouting or whatever so it's like he's being gradually like every aspect of his job is being replaced by somebody else. He's done everything but Fire Marty. Harney or let him go. 'cause MARDI hurting just won't leave. It's fucking Mardi. Ernie maybe maybe tapper. Thanks Marty honey is the Jerry. Richardson Statue is not allowed to get. That's probably part of the contract so that you could never fire Marty Herni. You gotTa work for you in some capacity. He's going to become a figurehead like a monarch wherever everybody else in the in the building. We'll have more power than him. But he has like the highest title and I'm fine assistant to the team president. Yeah I mean I'm fine with that you can call him. Emperor God whatever you want. As long as he's not in charge just kidding to pay him the GM salary but not having to GM stuff sounds like crepe business. Exactly I mean he's got money to burn so let them burn it so I think that about wraps it up idea. So thanks for coming Stephen Yes David. Is there anything that you didn't get a chance to talk about now? Another thing like I hit on the saints. Two thousand eleven game. That's the one I really wanted to. It's been nine years and you're still like that is under arrest on panthers twitter. We need to discuss it. I'll make sure to plug that we're going to get it out there for you sold. Stephen. Why don't you let us know what you have going on on your side of twitter? What in your world with USA Today and for the win and whatnot to new NFL podcast? It's called the counter I think it's been pretty good so far. We're still finding our footing. The logo is really good. That's what I'm proud of that. And everybody knows though good logo the most important part of here audio podcast. That's right. The discussion sucks but the London during the logo. Yeah that is nice. It's a run play. That's yeah now I have to hold on just a minute and we're still here and got a little get the little sea-going going on for the counter block under the team. And he got the going out for the for the little verbal description of logo for your podcast. That's actually what the podcast it is talking about plays you. There's no visual you just talking about the concept you be quiet. I kick my my room for the podcast so you hear that yeah you hit a high pitch whining. Sounds like a little yappy dog. It's the IT's eighty pound German shepherd. Nikki Yeah what he does. He gets real mouthy. We're on here these Mala time. That's why he burned yourself with wax on Sunday. That you know about that Brad did you did I. 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Falcons vs. Panthers: Is Atlanta for real?

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Falcons vs. Panthers: Is Atlanta for real?

"Guys welcome to the PUCK. Alex Post Game Podcast for the two thousand eighteen season week. Eleven the Atlanta Falcons Skins in Charlotte taken up division rivals the Carolina Panthers Join me always as my co host Phil Writer Colic. Evan Burchfield Evan arguing. I'm doing great how you doing. I'm good It was a great weekend. We're going to jump straight into it because for the second week in the road. The Falcons have dominated a division of obviously last week. They went into New Orleans. They pulled off the major upset for a seven seven one the Orleans team that many people thought was one of the best teams in the C.. Maybe in the NFL. They beat them in their home. And they repeated the performance on Sunday against the Carolina Panthers beating them twenty nine to three in Charlotte in the division game and it has a lot of people people wondering if this now three and seven. The Falcons team can actually finish out the season really strong and maybe even statistically make the playoffs play offs. Oh do I think the odds of that are low. Start Evan with the offense because twenty nine points is a little bit of a Misnomer Snow Mer they actually scored twenty two points offensively. There was a punt return touchdown from Kenya Barner so they they did put on twenty two points on the board not exactly a dominant performance from the offense that I felt like there are a lot of positive things so real quick Matt Brian. twenty-one for thirty three hundred eleven yards passing touchdown he broke a record that we'll talk about later. The running game was little bit underwhelming. Coming Calvin Ridley was arguably the best player of the game on offense eight receptions one hundred forty three yards touchdown. What were your what were some of your takeaways? From the offense. The Falcons offense did against this of a panthers. Defense Yeah I think the big big elephant in the room was not having Austin Hooper how the team would be affected because he's been playing this whole season at basically an elite level among tight ends Every statistic he's basically been in the top three like him and Travis Kelsey so this was going to be a big test coming into this game and the offense seemed you know for the most part fine Calvin Ridley obviously as you mentioned being the big benefactor from hooper being out A reception two hundred forty three yards a touchdown light. That's an incredible day for Calvin Ridley any look good. Julio had you know Typical Julio Day six receptions ninety one yards Russell gauge got a little more action. Looking good at the tight end spot. I mean Jaden Graham in Luke stocker where the ones stepping up luke. Stalker occur. I believe didn't even have a target Jane. Graham only had two catches for twenty three yards. So it's pretty much you know they shied away from the tight end position with superbeing out. I was looking forward to seeing Jason. Gram more in you know. Having a law is longest catch twelve yards. Like he did get us there. It's just a a weren't going through the tight end position as they were in the past So Basically Ryan had to focus on his receivers and he did that in they they offer the most part played. Well the big thing I was looking at going in this game was the running back position because obviously devante Freeman being out for probably multiple weeks. Who knows at this point but Brian Hill looked good in the action. He's received this year so is going to be interested in seeing him. Go up against the panthers who I mean looking at just overall at the year. They've been one of the worst run I think they were twenty ninth ranked against the run. which is terrible? I know you know in terms of fantasy football over the last four weeks they've allowed the most Fantasy points to opposing running back so they've been dreadful full so it seemed like a big Brian Hill game In it really wasn't a he had fifteen carries for thirty yards his longest being eleven yard. So you can pretty any much. Tell how Brian Hillsdale in obviously no touchdowns actually one he did score but it was called back to Italy holding in Quadri not all of a sudden ended up scoring had four carries for eleven yards in pretty decent. NECE I action You know I mean I was expecting becky more from Brian Hill. I think that was the biggest takeaway on like leaving. This game was like Brian Hill. Should have had a much better day on fifteen carries like if before this game you told me he had fifteen carries. I would've said he had maybe seventy yards or more I've mentioned on twitter before the game. You know as a prediction I was like I thought it was pretty much a slam dunk. Almost I was like Oh Brian Hill. He'll probably go for over one hundred. Because the last falcons running back to rush rush for one hundred yards was Brian Hill. Act Carolina I think is like we What fourteen or something? Like that. Of the twenty eighteen season he had like a hundred and fifteen yards But yeah he fell way short of that But aside from that everybody looked fine Ryan I mean he had a nice day Yeah I mean that's pretty much my offensive takeaways. Oh did you see anything else. That I didn't mention felt like to your point coming in the panthers defense was one of the best against the past they were one of the best in getting to the QB you know as far as sacks were concerned. I think they were top of the League. And and one of the worst at stopping the run so it it is somewhat funny. That the Falcons best success was through the passing game and they couldn't get the run going again. I mean you know. Division Games tend to go sideways anyways but this one definitely went off script a the the panthers did not seem seem to be able to get to Ryan consistently. He was pressured. He was sacked one or two times but for the most part for a team that has been leading the league in Saks. The Panthers did not get home to Ryan as much as I thought they would. And you know he had thirty attempts in still managed to put up three hundred yards touchdown down the interceptions so this game again did not go to script. I think that's one of the things to pay attention to is that the Falcons are sort of defying saying what the matchups look like the past couple of weeks last week against the saints Certainly you thought the saints offense could. Score insists Falcons defense and that did not go the script in. We saw that again. This week with Falcons defense holding the panthers to one measly feel they scored in the fourth quarter This falcons offense. At least right now I think is still still has some problems. Matt Ryan had his best game of the year Barnum. I think his accuracy. Accuracy was much much better in this game that has been in recent games he dropped to fantastic bombs into the hands of Julio Jones a In Calvin Ridley in this game with pressure his face. So if that continues the Falcons could be in for a really nice Finish to the season. And as you mentioned Calvin Ridley a thought was absolutely dominant in this game. He was taking advantage of some of the cover. One looks at the panthers. We're using throughout the game. He had eight targets eight receptions so everything that with his way was caught and turned into yardage fantastic from him. I will say I do think Austin Hooper was missed. Even you know we look at the points we see. Twenty nine is mentioned seven from special teams. You see twenty the two points I you know. I don't let it. Hooper was ever going to be a big factor in this game because the panthers do have some good linebackers but I feel like he is missed in. I don't I'm I WANNA make sure that fans don't write off hooper as being not essential to this offense offense after just one game because I don't think that is a fair sample size you know. Yes the Falcons succeeded but it for me. I'd I'd rather rather Matt Ryan have that reliable target in the middle in in between the seams that he's used to as opposed to not having him but overall we're all felt like the offense did what they needed to do in this game again I'll be honest. I'm still not entirely inspired by Dirk cutter or is doing offense. I think dave covered this at the alcohol. Dot Com in his recap is incredibly frustrating. To see the Falcons calkins run on first second down in gained one two yards and set up third and five thousand six long repeatedly. This is you become a trend this season in frankly. It was a trend in the dirt cutter years where we needed Matt Ryan to bail out. Even the two thousand twelve to two thousand fourteen Matt Ryan Bell from Third Long Situation's a little bit more frequently than we would like to see so I want to see this offense play better but clearly they did enough to win this game so any final thoughts no obviously with twenty twenty two points. There were several field goals that you know factored into that. There were two two touchdowns in several field goals. Anything you want to add before we move onto defense. No I mean I think we've pretty much summed it up a young way too. He's looked pretty good You know the one thing as a map Ryan lover and and Fan I've wanted to see him like further than fifty. It seems like he's he's got. I mean he missed one yesterday. which you know wasn't a good look? Look but he's looked at outside of that he's look good within like the forty range. You know which is something you WanNa see but I wanna see when he's back in the fifties range you know 'cause that's arguably where you're winning games at least the close ones But he the Falcons offense has actually been in pretty good over the last two weeks So they've been you know well enough to get him into field goal range where it's like. He's knocking down. I think he had like to to to a thirty eight yard. Field Goal attempts was missed. I think one was like Twenty Twenty Nine Yard Field Goal Twenty three yard field goal. Like those are great. I I WANNA see you know before I'm all aboard the coup train I WanNa see what he can do like in the fifty range. If that makes accents by I mean so far he's I mean he's looked better than the options. We had initially with Blair Walsh in two Vecchio. So Yeah Yeah. And so far in the Games from the by he seven for eight but as as you mentioned nothing above fifty point it remains to be seen what he can do from that distance. And as you mentioned I think it is That yardage the fifty plus yard field goals is really wear kickers. Make their money. Anything below below forty it should be. He's somewhat automatic and yet that's something where We took a lot for granted with Brian. Being the kicker Atlanta so But with that we're you know we will see young way has a i. I doubt we'll see in their kicker changed the season. I think he's GonNa be given until the end of the season. He is younger player. He's someone that I think the Falcons and moved on from just don't see them going back at this point it. It would be ridiculous if they try to anyways tempering Ryan back still unless coup comes out in completely as like taking thirty percent percent. There's no way he I mean at this point they just need to you know. Ride the ship out in you know. Then they can have that discussion in the off season. He hasn't is it done anything. I'll put it this way. He hasn't done anything to sabotage his job. It's just has he done anything to cement it as next next year going forward. Because that's how we all looked at Vecchio. We saw the field goals he was making last year. You know the team did to enough to where they were getting rid of the franchise leading scored to keep him So he's going to over the next few games in. That's not his fault. He hasn't had a fifty plus attempt. It's not like he's missing hasn't been in a position to do that in a game But I think if he does and he makes them on looks good. You know they're going to have a you. Know they might have had a bright spot here and have the kicker for the next few years or whatever so but to be determined now to be determined. Ah so before we jump into how the defense did in this dominant performance. We're GONNA take a quick break. We'll be right back. 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For for the Falcons Victory Twenty nine to three over the Carolina Panthers in week eleven two thousand eighteen season. This is Dave Walker. Joined by Evan Burchfield. Of course my Co Host for these post game. PODCAST you're talking about the Falcons defense because of all of the changes. That have happened since the bye week. I think it is it's completely non debatable. That the biggest surprise has been the turnaround in the Falcons defense. Last week in the Orleans. They held the saints to nine points no touchdowns through four quarters. They had six sacks on drew brees they a followed it up with this performance Carolina which included five sacks of Carl Allen. Four freaking interceptions. Like where is this been. The they allow three point so they have now it since the bye week. They've allowed twelve points in the past two games they have eleven sacks sacks four interceptions this arguably is even better than I think what fans hoped. The defense would be at the beginning of the season. So Evan whether some of your quick takeaways about this defense since the bye week because I feel like this is the big talking point in Atlanta right now. Yeah I I mean first off the sacks are coming out of nowhere We have a pass rush in. It's look it's very good As you mentioned the interceptions like the one one Kyle Allen through in in the end zone to to find like you're taking points off the board in that sort of thing Um which were not used to seeing because you know it just it usually? That's why we ended up losing because our defense just kind of folds in the red zone in that say they've been stepping up to the plate In you have to look like Christian McCaffrey are arguably at the running back position. He's probably the best right now in terms of what he can bring to the table also aside from running the ball you know. He's he's dangerous in the passing game. he he had fourteen so even split. He had fourteen targets in the passing game. He had fourteen carries in the Russian game. He went for seventy yards rushing which which is fine by he had eleven catches for one hundred twenty one yards. He still had a Christian. McCaffrey day if you play fantasy football. You're well aware of that. The big thing though no touchdowns allowed across the board That was something. Because I don't think the saints scored either right. They scored wet nine point. So so yeah They're not allowing allowing anybody to score. That's the biggest thing with this team in. You know you look at it. And it'd it'd be different if they were playing kyle back-back weeks but they play. Drew Brees in Collin Collin for while the panthers fans and I'm sure their attitudes change now they were Kinda like wait a second. We you know we don't eat cam new and we have Alan the future Four interceptions he threw the ball fifty times like this panthers. Thirteen was getting beat in the only put up three points. That's I mean that's amazing. Especially considering the Falcons defense you know we were ready to throw away pretty much the first half of the season. They've really stepped up to the plate. In you know if you listen to last week show. You're probably going to hear me in. Dwi basically saying Oh okay this was you know. We'll see if this was a one hit wonder sort of thing We me and you basically weren't very like Oh yeah. This is the new defense that will it. Definitely CENEX We had our concerns. But I mean like are you still concerned because they've done it backpack weeks in arguably if you look at our schedule going into regular season these two were probably our toughest opponents. It's usually that at Carolina at saints or at New Orleans that's usually losses in. They didn't only be done. They beat their ass. Basically so I mean what do you think do you think this is. We can't ignore the Elephant Room that Dan Quayle apparently like a made some staffing changes and stuff like that in right away. This defense is all of the sudden. Wanted a best out there so do you. I think there's you know like this isn't going forward. This defense has basically changed face in. You know. This is what we've got now. Or what do you think's is going on. I mean you know you mentioned the coaching changes with the Jeff. elbrick calling the defensive plays on first and second down he Morris Who I think arguably is the big name to pay attention to hear where he morris who took over the secondary after the bye in this calling the third down plays for the for the defense has has been looking at the secondary is a night and day difference from the first eight games to these last two games? Let's talk about some of the stats in secondary You've got doesn't true fought with interception Ricardo Allen with interception in three pass breakups Z.. Interception in the past break-up is Oliver no interceptions but the two pass breakups disc defensive secondary is playing at the level. We thought the capable of and they're they did it suddenly now the nowhere. I had mentioned at the bye week when I when I had done with my podcasts analyzing the PF scores for the Falcons defense that the one thing that stood out was that the entire secondary had regressed across the board. Every a single player had gotten worse all at the same time in one season and that is just not statistically likely that pointed to an issue hugh either with the scheme or with the coaches or with both. It is highly unlikely that every single player on your defensive secondary gets worse in same season. Usually that's assign again of coaching or what. You're asking to do what we have seen. The past. Two weeks is a secondary that is playing incredibly a Better than what they were in the first eight games as we mentioned True Font Allan Casey I is a all Kendall Sheffield all these guys are playing eh much better performance level than what they had in the first eight games and then on top of that the eleven sacks holy cow You know we had six against Saint Adrian clayborn had to against the Panthers Vic Beasley has back to back games with a sack. You Watch out healthy making twenty million dollars contract tack. McKinley had another sack in I WANNA point out something about tax even though the numbers don't appear to be there. I would argue that. He has been one of our most disruptive pass rushers over the past couple of weeks he is not you know he. He does have the sack he I think. He has sacked last week but he is generating pressure on a very consistent basis. Now over the past several weeks including going back to into the game against the seahawks before the bye week tack. I think has begun to turn it around around these young player. He's in your three. I'm kind of excited to see what he can do to finish off the season But yeah it just seems like everything they were wrong. They're suddenly getting right. Eleven sacks in two games coming into the the by week they had seven sacks in eight games in the last two games I have an eleven sacks so they literally have four more sacks in six less I mean that is. That's my boy right now. How much of that is Allen versus? You know again you know you mentioned that it's not like last week. They were playing the scrub. They were playing drew brees in his home home and they sacked him six times. They held him Two touchdowns this week they may kyle. Alan look like somebody who needed to be benched. Legitimately four interceptions five sacks he. What the Falcons did this weekend may single handedly make sure that Cam Newton stays and Carolina? Yeah Exterior of all the things that happened that may be one of the big takeaways and as you mentioned I mean. It's such a great point. Both with these winds have been on the road. The Falcons have I think three of their next four games are at home. And those include games against Tampa against the panthers and against the saints in. I think the next one where they go on the road to believe is the forty niners which a tough game obviously one of the best teams in see this year. We won't talk about who the head coach is there. But we're this falcons defense is concerned. I think you asked me. Am I buying in. Yeah Yeah I kind of am. I know which is always being here. Couple weeks ago I think the the a big thing is if it just came out of nowhere it will be one thing but it came after the bye. It came with as you mentioned substantial coaching. Changes with Morris Jeff sort of taking over in a combined defensive coordinator role to me the fact that they've done on the road they've done back to back weeks the fact. They've looked good for four quarters in each game it. It wasn't like they look good for two quarters. They've looked for a straight quarters in both games. That feels like more of a real turnaround than maybe a false false positives so any. I know I realize I've gone off on this defense because it's been really exciting but any last thoughts about what you've seen from from the defense the sax the coverage just the opponents doing on the road and the anything you WANNA add. No I mean you pretty much. Covered summed summed. It up there in you know as I mentioned earlier. They're just not allowing the opponents to score. You're definitely GONNA WIN Games do not allowing touchdowns in this isn't just on the defense. But I noticed over the last two games. They've been having less penalties than their opponents. So they're they're finally playing discipline football all because there was plenty games in the first half of the season where they lost games because they had so many penalties against Carolina only had three penalties which was worth at twenty yards but the panthers had eight which was sixty eight yards and you know shoot? They were basically shooting themselves in the foot multiple times the panther so their point. I mean. It's like you don't want to say here in Brag too much because next week anything can happen but the teams turned it around and you know the proof in put in basically because we talked about this you know even around the bye week. How as the Where Julio apparently had like a big speech in players they wanNA play for Dan? Quinn and Arthur blank was in the room and since that point somebody mentioned on twitter. That tack was in the room and apparently like look someone who was really affected by it. Like okay we need to do something here. and He's played the phenomenal ever. Since like I mean I don't want to you know usually we can't ignore that kind of stuff but this team is turned it around. We knew they were talented. Even while they were losing like games they shouldn't have We knew they were talented. The staffing changes all of that. Something's happened but this this team is is all of a sudden you know even people around the League or like what we're has this team been you know in the fans are definitely asking But you know we'll see going forward but I have to agree with you the defense on buying into it Next week will be an interesting test. will be at home playing the Tampa. Bay buccaneers who Jameis Winston has looked. Pretty good against Falcons in the past But you know so as drew brees. And he didn't score a touchdown against the New Orleans. So it's going to be interesting. You know if the Falcons defense is GonNa step up again Because you mentioned at the top of the show so in maybe you WanNa talk about it a little bit. But we're still not out of the playoff race somehow statistically Leeann you and I talked about this briefly in our writers chat it seems like the Falcons best path to play. Offs is to win the Division in hope that the saints fall apart in their last the six or seven games which seems unlikely because right. Now you know the Falcons best possible who records nine and seven and you've got several teams already. Have Eight wins. Like forty forty nine hundred nine wins. Seattle has eight wins. The Vikings have eight Wayne Wins the packers. Have Eight wins so they would literally need one of you. Know the the SEATTLE MINNESOTA A or the packers to literally. Just lose out for them to get a wild card and the focus would still have to win out so statistically really really really low chances can happen you know their best bet mathematically saints sort of fall apart finish the season and they win out in win and the see south. I mean I think if you were going to bet money won't take any was GONNA put money down to the Falcons win. See South this year but you know you mentioned mentioned it. I think the big thing here is a lot of fans questioning. Hey this is is the talent actually or I. I had a lot of people. Ask Me. Is this actually a talented team. Or we can have to blow up this roster get rid of these players and I think the one thing we've seen over the past couple of games is yeah if they're coached Reid if they're putting in the right position the talent is there you know you don't Hold a saints team in their home tonight points without having talent. You don't hold a panthers team with Christian McCaffrey to three points in their home job so for me. Even if they don't make the playoffs the one of the big takeaways were seeing from this. Last couple of games is that it is somewhat correa formation. That the Falcons do have the talent to be successful. Is it too little too late for two thousand eighteen more than likely but but for twenty twenty. I think does foretell a little bit. That maybe you don't have to blow up the entire roster that there are enough good pieces that you go into twenty twenty you put you know you fix some of the issues on this roster you get some guys healthy again. This could be a very very competitive team again in twenty twenty without now having to revamp from top to bottom the minus the three or four stars. You've got so for me. That's the most reassuring thing I feel like the the talent on. This team has ruined over the past couple of weeks that they deserve a chance to prove that they compete can compete and be good players players at this level so playoffs or no playoffs. The performance of the individual players is what is highly encouraging for me. Yeah certainly so with that. We're going to wrap up this week's post game podcast. Everyone wants you tell our listeners where they can find you what you've got going on you can find me Ryan at Alchoholic on twitter at Burchfield I JUST WANNA shameless plug here. I do have probably by the time. You're listening to this. It's probably probably posted but a playoff chances article Dwi basically summed up a lot of it And I don't want to give too much away because then you won't read it But basically the Falcons have read it yet go Rita. They'll have like they win out you know. There's still a pretty good chance. They could you know they need help as the governor said but go read that Let's see what else I got my tweet recap which is probably out by time. You're reading this author listening to this also And then on Fridays. I do fantasy preview for that week's game which this week it'll be Mentioned league-wide stuff in in Yeah so hopefully by time you hear me in. Dwi Voice again. It's because we beat the buccaneers. where foreign seven or knows? What else is is going to happen after that but Yeah it's good to see a team that finally wants to win games. It seems like yeah absolutely one blessing WANNA add. Because I know a lot of fans are out there frustrated. By the fact that you know arguably the Falcons are blowing their chance quote unquote at Drafting Chase Chase. Young one of the top pass rusher is coming out Arguably in the last five ten years in here's the thing Just enjoy the games you know when you get lost in the minutia of Dra- position in salary cap in it is is hard as passionate fans. We we dive into all that stuff wants to your team succeed but oftentimes I think we overdo it in myself included. Just enjoy joy. The Games yesterday's game was fun. It was fun to watch the Falcons win it was fun to watch the defense dominate. Just enjoy this game. Enjoy the game for whether it is Fans of this team. We are fans of these player. So enjoy it you know. I think we get way too wrapped up in when the minutia of the management of team and Right now you two straight wins. This is making the season fun again so for me it as a fan even though we cover the site fell colic this this has been enjoyable experience as free guys. You can find me of course here here weekly on alcohol at Podcast at the Alcoholic Dot Com and you can follow me on twitter at Gw so forever Burchfield Walker that you guys ascertaining and we'll catch up with you.

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(Convos in 5 minutes or less) The brutal tactics of Police Chief turned Mayor Frank Rizzo

The Concentrated Conversation Podcast

01:21 min | 2 years ago

(Convos in 5 minutes or less) The brutal tactics of Police Chief turned Mayor Frank Rizzo

"Racist Conflicts oversize lot of racism we had we had mayor in a city of Philadelphia by the name of Free Quiz O. and he was the only the mayor in the country at the time of actually he was police commissioner and he was the only police commissioner that have been brought up on charges of talent by the actual federal government poodle very racist berry dictator Ish airy Gestapo police type police commissioner and he was the police commissioner that was stripping Black Panthers in the middle of the night and taken close off in you know forcing them to stand up against a wall and beating them brutally attacking them in so he was the mayor at the time of the incident with us the.

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FROM THE SB NATION NFL SHOW: Panthers in the "hot spot" of the top 10

Cat Scratch Reader

04:00 min | 2 months ago

FROM THE SB NATION NFL SHOW: Panthers in the "hot spot" of the top 10

"The following segment is from monday. Football monday on the sp nation. Nfl show where we're discussing. Your favourite teeth subscribe to the sp nation nfl show. Don't miss conversations like this one a few weeks ago on march twenty ninth. That was what four weeks ago. Something like that you and is you and i on monday football monday. We did a projection of the top ten picks and the 2021 nfl draft we stipulated that there would be no trades in this particular exercise Now at the time. Sam darnold had not been traded at the carolina panthers. San francisco already traded up for the third overall pick. But could you could you kind of explain my missing anything. This was the exercise that we conduct right. I think draft season began to heat up. So we said okay. Let's do a mock draft of the top ten and now that we're here draft week is upon us. We're mocking the mock baby. You mentioned what people are saying. Nfl networks. tom pella. Sarah because let's accept it. Fine one of the receivers were right. There it's not going to be. It's going to miami Nfl networks tom. Sarah on monday morning talked about the next two picks pete picks number seven and eight belonging to detroit and carolina as the quote. Hotspot here is what tom had to say. Well they'd be hot. Spot right now is at the bottom of the top. Ten specifically the lions at seven and the panthers at eight have been fielding a lot of phone calls that makes sense because when you look at carolina at eight as well as the broncos at nine both those teams are threats to potentially take an offensive tackle or maybe even a quarterback so if you want one of those two positions you may have to get ahead of them. So who's calling the move up. I can tell you that. The eagles have made a lot of phone calls. Although that's how he roseman he calls everybody every year about every pick just to see what it would take. The vikings have been active working the phones. That would probably be one of those offensive of tackles ends up sliding and this is an interesting one. The patriots have been calling around in the top ten and teams that have gotten those calls that their target would be. Ohio state quarterback justin fields. Now it would cost the patriots a lot to move from fifteen up to seven or eight probably something in the region of a second round draft. Pick that as a small price to pay. If new england sees an opportunity to they. Potential franchise quarterback. Okay lied to digest their hotspot nonetheless. We gave the carolina. Panthers p trae lands because again they had not traded for sam darnold at the time that we did this exercise. But that's not going to happen but they are. I think because of that candidate to trade. Back but i i do feel like panthers hand be really pissed because like okay we dealt with the year one of matt rule. There's growing pains associated with it. We said goodbye. The camera like we we gave you the you know. The rope gave you the leniency for your one. Now we got a top ten pick like we expect something substantial and you just trade out of it like i think you know you can only you can only like business futures so much so i kind of think. Carolina has to sit in pick your but maybe the offer would be substantial again specifically of justice fields. Were there although i mean. Carolina was kind of the most quarterback needy team in the nfl. prior to the sam darnold trade. Not that that really moved the needle and so if they themselves are passing on just may matt rhule's comments they're all in on darnold and maybe not in the long-term past the two years but there are at least gonna give him an opportunity to have a second shot at the nfl fry. Maybe this is justin fields to new england justin fields to chicago Whatever the case may be and not obviously getting to denver. I would think it would be interesting if denver sense that and traded up to seven with detroit. Like jump to this spot. You know what. I mean For the for the purposes of securing whether it's just in fields whatever the case may be but if carolina sits you can hear the rest of this conversation by subscribing to the sp nation nfl show. Wherever you get your podcasts.

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Episode 161: Who were the Black Panthers?

WokeNFree

46:51 min | 9 months ago

Episode 161: Who were the Black Panthers?

"Hi, this is Asha and Gloom are the closest welcome free. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for tuning into 160 first episode of low-wage. If you've been tuning in every week for we open for Wednesday, you know, that will country is all about being real and honest with each other and you we talk about everything and anything important to us off you the world and nothing is off the table this week. We're discussing who were the Black Panthers. But before we dive deep into the subject, it is your favorite time of the day off monologue. So without further Ado, I'm just going to jump in if you are if you've downloaded this episode by going to welcome., and proceeding to the Pod being off you deserve Applause. That is fantastic. Why because that's how you show the ultimate support for the show. But then also that's how you join the conversation because if you've downloaded the Episodes of the Padre an app that's how you're able to put in your comments and that's how you can share your thoughts. So whatever you think about the Black Panthers whether you were a fan whether or not a fan if you had questions..... That's how you got to share it with us. So make sure you do that. Now if you're like Tosh you love you, we adore you awesome right back at you. But you first sentence for some reason can't download an app then all that we asked is make is that you make sure that you are some porting the show on whatever platform you're catching this on. So for instance if you're all about iTunes or if you're all on the edge in in or Stitcher or Google play our YouTube channel, SoundCloud iHeartRadio Spotify, whichever platform. I mentioned and many more that you'll be able to find them on the list and tab at Logan free.com. Just make sure you go there and you're subscribed and Following the show on those platforms. And of course if you can give reviews I usually talk about that at the end game. If you can give a review 90 seconds guys 90 seconds and you can give a review of the show on whichever platform or all the platforms that you catch show on that would be fantastic. Now when it comes to sharing sharing is always carrying absent covid-19 racism bigotry sexism discrimination and must I see so make sure that you are a part of woken Free Nation by doing your part by a catching the show every single Wednesday woken free Wednesday, but then also doing your part of the journey guys and sharing it whether you just share it via email or you share it on social media. However, you get the word out when we like things we share it you also, you know what to do share share share Ur own now when it comes to social media, you can always find us on Facebook Instagram Twitter Youtube Tik Tok. Yes Tik Tok and Pinterest at woken free and guys, there's some fun content on there. So make sure that you log Are checking us out and you're engaging with us there with that scene end. Each week. We like to share a little bit about us before we dive into the topic for the episode last week. We asked which famous calling. Do you prefer Donkey Kong or King Kong this week. We're asking wage to shake off that trust. How would you rather relax drinking chai tea or doing t'ai Chi you think you're funny, huh? That's about my joke. That's not mine. Yeah, you know one wants to claim that one now. No, well, I don't know who claims it. Well, my answer to that interesting question is definitely T, but I'm not going to get siteid. I'm going over Jamaican mint tea or just regular peppermint. Tea turn regular peppermint tea. That's a regular I think black tea is regular. Yeah peppermint. All right, see that's pretty good to know green tea for you. I mean not a student try like well if I'm trying to you know kind of start a party in my stomach sure. Oh, wow, right? Yeah. No. Okay. Maybe you should do like wage and probably try to learn t'ai chi I think that would get your Center in order doing that. I didn't start doing it, but it was good thing you look into. Yeah, if I learned it it would make me very centered as a being so I think I'm I need to look into that. That's what I'm going to choose. I'm going to choose Tai Chi even though right now I do drink the tea. I would like to do Chinese Tai Chi thought the chod. Gotcha. Yeah, I guess that would be my preference and I don't know what other preferences other people would have like groups. You know, what they want to be centered that themselves if they were like wage political organizations like the Black Panthers. Maybe I don't know. Would that be a group that would want to send her their holes or how about just find out more about them, huh? Well, maybe we should discuss them. Like or who were the Black Panthers clever glamour a very nice answer. So according to history.com. There's quite a bit of information out there. And so, let's get everyone on the same page. So they claim or not claim but they report that the Black Panthers also known as Black Panther Party was a political organization. It was founded in 1966 by Huey Newton and Bobby seale to challenge police brutality against African American Community. They dressed in black barrettes and black leather jackets, the Black Panthers organized and armed citizen patrols of England and other US citizen cities. And at its peak in 1968 the Black Panther Party had approximately a roughly 2000 numbers the organization later declined as a result of internal tensions deadly shootouts and FBI counterintelligence activities aimed at weakening the organization. Now the kind of the reasoning behind the fountain Foundation of this organization, but by Huey Newton and off Seal was when they met in nineteen sixty-one, they were students at Merritt College in Oakland, California. They both protested the college has pioneered a celebration which honored the Pioneers who came to California in the eighteen hundreds, but omitted the role of African Americans in settling the American West Seal and Newton formed the Negro history fat Group, which called on the schools offer classes black history. Well, then history.com goes on to say that they founded the Black Panthers in the wake of the assassination of black nationalists Malcolm X and after after, Police in San Francisco shot and killed an unarmed black teen named Matthew Johnson sounds like today's climate interesting and then originally the black party Black Panthers party for Doug the Black Panther Party for self-defense. The organization was founded then in October 1966 and there early activities primarily involved monitoring like that like earlier like history.com said earlier rather police activities in the black communities in Oakland and other cities and then they grew it wasn't just in California. They grew Across the Nation they let's see they were I think about they were in about 70 cities across the United States, which is pretty cool when they also had this thing called the ten point program which called for an immediate end to police brutality employment for African-Americans and land housing and justice for all and then what else did I thought was interesting the Black Panthers? The the article goes on to say the Black Panthers often were portrayed as a gang their leadership saw the organization as a political party whose goal was getting more African-Americans elected into political office off but by the early 1970s FBI counter-intelligence efforts and all of you know, the kind of internal unrest kind of broke the party apart. But yeah, there's more I think to to share there but that's kind of like a summary. Okay. That's very that's a that's a good summary from the institution. I mean, it's not bad thoughts on some of the good stuff. So the I think a really good book to read goes against like the mainstream as this book called black against Empire and it details the like the true history of a black panther party and some of the turmoil that they went through so people probably don't even know that the Black Panther Party was actually made up of a bunch of different parties and I dead So I don't have the names or right now offhand, but the book does mention all the parties that were going by different names and actually kind of grew into the Black Panther Party name of the book the name of the book jet black against Empire. Yes. Okay. So and then we have the you know, we'll have like the authors and are now that's an arm no free.com. Yeah, so you can see that there but this is a good book to read cuz it'll really detail. How long came to be in which parties came together to form the Black Panther Party as we like know it today and so unlike this the whole this is an excerpt from the book like a little summer. I'm like the civil rights movement that called for full set instant citizenship rights for blacks within the US the Black Panther Party rejected the legitimacy of the US government and positioned itself is kind of a global struggle against American imperialism and the face of intense repression the party flourished becoming the center of a revolutionary movement with powerful allies around the world including China wage. So that very much sound symbolic of what we saw saw in Star Wars Rebels standing against the imperialist forces off India that's going to be really similar there. It's very interesting. It's similar. Definitely what are things that people typically don't know or even change and maybe misconstrue about the Black Panther Party know the thing I never knew was that they started the first program dedicated to feeding underserved children wage, which part the government to start somewhere programs where they get started giving out the free lunches the children, but that wasn't a government initiative that came from the Black Panther Party. Nobody ever mentioned that to me while I was in school. Like I've never heard anything about that. That was crazy me. I didn't know black panthers did any social reform programs? I didn't know that I just yeah, that wasn't one of the things I knew then like I mentioned earlier. There were multiple groups that called themselves the Black Panthers, but they're actually some that weren't even affiliated with the main group. So they would go on to do things that maybe people saw that was you know, kind of like I'm going against the law but that wasn't actually the Black Panthers that was just a group that called himself the Black Panther that was like the anarchists going out and protesting are not protesting the wrong kind of making a right, right? Yeah. We're actually doing the protesting recently for the George Floyd situation. Yeah. It's interesting. Yeah a very similar thing to that and then another thing and I mean conspiracist probably knew this but the the federal government they hired people to pose as members to gain insight into the group and cause internal conflict. Well, it's you mentioned a little bit off from your article and article history.com. That's not the article you wrote. All right. I don't know. Okay. Yeah good point and then another thing I never, New Jersey. They were negotiating connections with China as you renewing a founding member of the party met with Tsao and lie as told by an article on radar. So I didn't know that they went over to China and yeah, he was for me connections. I didn't know about that and it was cuz they they both had the common kind of goal of fighting in. Lism off. It was a very bonding thing that at the time us didn't have great relations with China pretty well and I said at the time but we know how it is right now. Yeah. So similar to some of those facts are also shared you can see link on welcome free.com including a link to insider.com which has a really in-depth article kind of things people do not did not know about the Black Panther Party. So they the party opened Liberation schools where children learned black history and political science, they practice penmanship by writing letters to incarcerated members and at its height the Black Panther Party had thousands of members and nearly seventy cities, which I said before which is pretty cool and pretty impressive. Also, what was funny or interesting I thought was like kind of if you ever thought about their uniform like why did they decide the Black Beret and the black jacket on insider.com have an kind of quote from Stanley Nelson director of the Black Panthers Vanguard of the Revolution who is Huey Newton and Bobby seale chose the the Panthers look because it was something that everybody had. Their closet they said, you know, every young black man has a black leather jacket or can get one or can borrow one if they can't buy one. He told fresh Air's Terry Gross. Everybody could get a Brett everybody could get some sunglasses and get the panther. Look the uniform was also calculated to be distinct from the suit and tie look favored more traditional civil rights activists. Oh, that's nice, you know a little bit of a tidbit as to why the look of the Black Panthers came to be so that was interesting also in 1969 the Black Panther Party began serving free hot breakfast to kids in Oakland wage listening food from local Grocers and Consulting a nutritionist on healthy and filling recipes the schools and parents praised it but the police and FBI spread rumors that the party was actually using the meals to indoctrinate or even poison kids smart and then in nineteen seventy-five just as the parties breakfast program were being shut down the USDA permanent permanently authorized the Nationwide School breakfast program, which fed more than birth. 14 million children in 20. I don't know if that year is correct. That can't be. Oh, yeah that was before before that. So but nonetheless actually so what's interesting is incentives, suggesting that the Black Panther Party created a free food system similar to what you're saying. They have like they did something and then the government then indoctrinated that action or that wage initiative under their own system. And so if the party was so right like out there then why would why did they adopt the same system? That's interesting. You have no credit. Also the article goes on to talking about they created the first Nationwide testing and screening program for sickle cell anemia. The Panthers established a national screening program training volunteers to walk door-to-door and predominantly black neighborhoods and give free finger stick tests follow-up care for anyone who tested positive was arranged with local hospitals and that's super like off. Super super forward also, they mentioned article mentioned that they help migrant the Black Panther Party help migrant workers organized against Safeway. So in early 1960s Cesar Chavez United Farm Workers Union boycotted Safeway in California for selling grapes picked by non-union workers Safeway coincidentally was one of the few markets to refuse Thursday 8 to the Panthers free breakfast program seizing the opportunity the party began ferrying Shoppers to competing lucky supermarkets free of charge. The boycott was successful enough that at least one Safeway in Oakland forced to close. So that's super super interesting. They also inside our common goes on to suggest to share that the party taught self-defense classes to senior citizens, the Black Panthers launch seniors against a fearful environment safe after a group of older Oakland residents asked them to teach them self defense to fend off muggers. The seniors had originally approached the police for help, but were told Just walk close to the curb according to the and a black star and so the safe program also provided free transportation to older locals could posit their social security and pension checks out. All right. So yeah, just even more that they even talked about as well. But yeah, so, you know those were all like brand spanking new bits of information for me. So that's why I thought that would be really cool to share here with local free Nation because who knew the Black Panthers did all of that amazement. I mean, that's something yeah, they have a lot of things under their belt that we want to know how long they're not we just always see that there are some type of militant group but there's a lot more to the Black Panthers than we knew definitely what should people take away from what the Black Panthers stood for equality isn't reserved for a specific race gender Creed or age as we talked about some of the phenomenal initiatives at the party not only in English. Editing created but implemented right? Cuz it's one thing to have an idea and it's quite another to actually execute and they they actually executed and they actually helped other people's lives right whether the party was you know, nothing in life is without fault. Nothing in life is without needing of change. But yeah here I think in this conversation the focus is really thinking about some of the positive things that they did and ultimately there's a lot of negative stuff that you can find on the internet yourself. So we definitely were not looking to have a conversation to bash the group. I think having you know, generally not knowing kind of some of their own initiatives I think is great insight for not only us but anyone listening here because if you didn't know this you now know and now you can make your own judgment call about the party home and if you want to learn more, this is a good starting point to learn more. I think that's why I love our conversations because it's usually just like a really great starting point to say. Hey, I want to look into this more. I want to suck. And a little bit more so that that I think is something to take away is it like you should listen to this and say I want to know more and then you should also listen to this and say I need to have an open mind about all things that I'm educating myself on definitely that makes sense and think yeah, there's just a big misconception about the Black Panthers that they took like a hate group that promote it Supremacy over others and that's just not the case as we saw from some of our examples. They were social justice group that stood up for the disenfranchised and they believed in defending oneself against abuse and domestic Terror. They weren't people just to sit back and turn the other cheek. They said hey, you know, we have the right to bear arms. So we will wage this battle was it was definitely part of their belief, but it wasn't just the main thing. They didn't go around saying hey, we're in a threatened you with this. They just said we'll defend ourselves and people didn't like that dead. Even though they're Second Amendment is a second amendment lovers who they definitely yeah offend categorize in a way that you know, they didn't get categories like them and even even even now phone number we have people going out against the protesters armed with their rifles and shooting protestors and no one and there's no big stance against them. There's no FBI investigation into these groups and militias that we publicly know. Oh, yeah. I mean, hopefully there are but we don't publicly know about that. I mean, yeah, we don't know at least we've never witnessed that yeah, maybe years from now, we'll find out right as of now just seems like they're kind of like going about their business doing what they want. There's no public kind of like dismissal of what they're doing Behavior. Yeah. There's nothing nothing's being said publicly about that's not weird. We don't stand for that. I think people do like some our leadership is doing that not leadership other type of people in the media not everyone stands behind birth. Type of behavior. There are people who are like that's not acceptable but it's like yeah, our leadership has made that clearer shipped there. There's a lot of things that could be said. Yeah, it is a lot but I just think that's interesting. But as of now we have these people that are coming out against protesters armed and there's the leadership isn't taking a stance on that but it's an interesting thing right here compared to a black panthers that many people took stands. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they yeah FBI and all that. Yeah. Yeah. They I think they were just trying to make Society Equitable and I thought they were about empowerment for blacks that little to no support at the time. They weren't trying to hurt anybody else. They actually just wanted to help people which is a great thing to do in that a good moral standing Point actually, which I wouldn't have known when I was a kid. I didn't yeah black you're black panther and you thought who percent of people was there some just yep. You do not really tough and just do whatever they want to get their get what they want but they are more they're so much more than have. There's so much more to the Black Panthers the biggest takeaways that people don't understand that there was so much more that they yeah and and then in the open minded to hearing about them as well and like I said, there was a lot of perpetrators in the group who were made to make them out as the bad guys and young people don't want to talk about it or trade it by yeah. They were they were paid by federal government to do this. That's interesting and the US government's been caught doing this before for other groups. So it's like what's life, I mean they did it for the Black Panthers as well. We have to we have to be honest and honest with ourselves. Yeah. Our government will fund certain things that go against parties that are actually doing good things for the community. They they do that. It happens. Well, there's no there's different initiatives that are maybe more radical in nature and that Doe not necessarily stand like a dog Of us as American people are all of us in this country may or may not agree with that stance. But you know more more I think at least we should just be the problem with Pop-Pop public life around that like not just be like, oh that happened like but we should say like we should have accountability and we should we should say what actually happened though too. Right? Yeah and what actually just say that was their first job like a national issue with that. You know, there's a lot of it's it's challenging life is very sticky. Oh, yeah, but that but it's just good to know don't just have a one-sided view of these groups. I want to say that group evil know they should never exist. No, that's not what they were about let's get real people sure. You are now listening to walking free walking free walking free month free and free podcast about being real and honest. Here we go. Yo, here we go. Yo, so what so what so what's the scenario? It's scenario time guys. Scenario one Ferry and heard that the Black Panthers used to carry concealed firearms whenever they were meetings. Does this mean the Black Panthers were a pro violence militia? That's an interesting question. So especially living here in Arizona. I would say she carrying around a concealed weapon is not necessarily mean whether you're for party or not or whether you're like Pro violence or not. It just means you have an affinity for guns off. So easily forgotten. Do you have your about life at least? I guess but yeah, you'd have to and also you can't assume based on people's names if that's the type of Association affiliation you're going there you have to ask people and or if people say something some type of rhetoric that speaks to a certain party organization, then you could maybe start to ask questions or make deductions around that but one person and and just there's no tie like for me I at least that's not a clear deduction I would make but okay we have for me this this is crazy to ask just cuz you have a firearm warn you that doesn't mean you're Pro violence and you're part of your what I would go by did you use that gun? Like how often do you pull out that gun and shoot somebody if you like if you're shooting people on a daily basis then yeah, you're there's something I think your pro violence. I mean if you're okay with in writing reading laws, not necessarily what if yourself defending yourself every day. I mean, yeah, you speak with an attorney. Yeah, but you can't log But in terms of really bizarre, but I'm sure there's people that they pulled out their gun more than once though. I don't know speak with him about her. Now. I'm just saying there might be people that did that like there's public streets. You mean? Yeah, defending themselves though. Always had the best number you can well, I mean, well, yeah, that's that's a stickier situation. I mean, I don't know how it's coming about. But either way if this if this people are not pulling out the Gun and shooting people, I don't think they're Pro violence. That's all I'm I mean, that's my yeah. I think that I think a probe violence person is somebody who goes to protest and shoots the protesters that's problem Islands which has happened only recent recent times. So that's that to me is the pro violence not black panthers. They were doing that. They weren't going and shooting all these people probably thought were happened. They had very few incidents where there were few. Maybe not act in the best intention of the party and or were and maybe that was perfect. There. Were there were there were some perpetrators. Yeah, there were some perpetrators who just did stuff where it was. Like that was not a black panther affiliate. Well, you know, it's kind of like it's like let's say I'm a Democrat and then I get in a scuffle with somebody is that because I was a Democrat or is that because I'm just did ask up on my own such an interesting time now where it seems like you're going to play anybody by any Democrat you wouldn't want to but people are very tribalistic now in nature and and so for instance if you continuously see Dem like one political party in media being like really hyped up and and aggressive to another but maybe there becomes this like this song Asian and people's minds at like, oh that party does they tend towards the violence, but I don't know why people are I guess it's just that like indoctrination because certain media Outlets are more media will do that page report on party over another so then but just think of it what the media does they love to paint a picture of this person and their stories that are going to say, yes, it was this young black Democrat who was dead. Out of the Black Panthers like they would say something like that compared to this person was prone to violence, you know, hey, what would tell you focusing on the facts are like painting they've paid their own narratives and it's like, oh yeah, you know, this is part of their background maybe that's everybody and that background has the same views. No, that's not what the Black Panthers were about. No scenario to rovina is a college student that caught wind of a new group that said they were the resurrection of the true Black Panther Party. She got Shivers thinking that this group may cause civil unrest on her campus because of their probe Mantra. Is it possible to be pro-black and not racist? What an interesting great question? Yeah. So we definitely I think planned to talk about the the fact that you can love your race and not be anti other races on the show. So that's definitely to come in this scenario, you know again. And so her frame of reference here is that she she just I guess is maybe thinking on maybe some of the media or other types of narrative of what black panther Fairy Tail dead. So he's heard and it's his kind of is unnerved by that and and as thinking wow is this going to be an issue? And so it needs to be said that yeah, you can be a Warrior Race and love being a black person and love your black community and that not mean that as the antithesis and or hatred and or disdain aunt or and or attack of others to be pro-black has to be pro-black. It is not in any way have anything to do with anyone else as the same way. You would say for any other community of someone was Pro Native American. I mean they're in anyway talking about anything else or just saying I love my people you can love your people and love your culture and love your community without harming and or hurting and or wanting that intentions for anyone else. Yeah. Yep. This person needs to open up their minds to the idea that this that the the party starting could be for the empowerment of the black people present which is not to the office and or harm of any other community, but just to ensure that black people feel represented on campus at the black people feel like they have a voice and that if they are disenfranchised in any way or form that that is appropriately addressed by this community. Yeah, I mean, I think she's jumping the gun to just think that just she's going off the past things that she sort of the Black Panther Party and assuming that the same things are going to happen in today's day and age. I don't know. I mean if of a new Black Panther Party came up today, I think right now would actually not be the worst time to be honest. I think they could actually do pretty well now something about that where that they were saying that it was like a hate group. Oh, they're already trying to put well, well my truck roll party the new party might be we don't know they may just be I know I saw rhetoric saying that it is a hate group and but you know, I'd have to do more research, but that was I mean whether it is yeah cuz it's like who was saying that it was was it coming from a conservative side of the field or two? No two on it, but that's just one has information on that guys, but that in the comments, please because loved if you want to, you know, kind of talk about the new age Black Panther Party if that is a conversation people want to have put in the comments about yeah and about being pro black and I racist. Yeah, definitely agree just because you're Pro and I don't even want to think I mean races are fake. So I want to go beyond that and just say life and culture. So it's like I love my culture. That doesn't mean I hate you or it's like I can see your culture. I can bring in parts of your culture, but I don't hate yours. I just love mine a lot. Like that's fine. I'm promoting my new age. Trying to destroy you or so don't worry about that. I'm not so now if I try to do something where I said, mine is supreme. Yeah, not now now that's insane. Not the same Minds know exist know any of those words. That's that's when you get in trouble. Yeah, because now you're trying to say why you're better than one another and this is totally subjective. But yeah always subject of conversation their line of thinking with if you're pro-women, right? That means you have to be anti man. Yeah people think that too. Yeah, you can love the community that you're in with an apart separate from any of their feelings on anything else or anyone else like so you can be a feminist and not be an time an innocent man and Mystic Let's not even take ourselves seriously at all. Well, we do there's no real term for it. But that at least kind of goes hand-in-hand have everything but you know need something else wrong like a young to your yang know you gotta have like some kind of but it's a down versus Anna nothing know. Well, the universe is made for all the universe is all in everything will be good to see how that gets played out. Well, it's playing out as we speak. Well things need to change change takes time. People are impatient who you telling me. It's the real truth choir. Yeah. It's it's a hard truth. Yeah, most people they say we haven't seen enough change will do, you know, the people has not been around that long. I know people will say maybe it's years and years and years like it shouldn't be moving a bit faster this stage of the game, but maybe that is blow, you know where something that's well cuz our technology is moving faster than our social progress birth. Donna like that. Yeah. Our technology moves a lot faster is incredible technological enhancements in our society yet. Socially we're not that far off from throwing rocks at each other. So it's nice. It's just like, you know get by so like what happened? Yeah. It seems very confusing. Scenario three, but Sarah's grandfather was part of the Black Panther Party which inspired listeria to join the black lives movement a few weeks later. She was contacted by federal agents told her not to attend a political National Convention as she would be labeled a black identity extremist and possibly detained for questioning should listeria quit BLM and just focus on her day job because of these new threats. Oh, wow. That's a really profound question. So hmm. Solace Aries grandfather was a part of the Black Panthers and then that inspired licera to join the black lives matter movement. And then she was contacted with this is a real contact not like a fake person know this is definitely real federal agents not fake saying that this person is going to be identified as an extremist and probably black nationalist or something like that. Yeah off and you know, possibly her career and life consequences could be quite severe. What should lasserre do I guess at this moment unless there's going to have to have to weigh the the consequence how much juice does it matter to this person to move forward with the social justice active activity that lives there wants to do comparatively to the impact on that person's life. There's career unless there's a wife every choice you make in life has a consequence good or bad and again good and bad is our subjective terms. It's all really just contrast right so long Loser has to make that decision my decision would I I would tend to how I grew up in my lifestyle choices. I will I would choose to keep the job and identify alternative methods of activism, but that's just because I also have a Virgo and I'm a rule-follower and so you're not going to attend the National Convention might be said they told you. To do it. And you said okay, you could pick up the phone and they're like, hey, you can't attend this, you know, we're going to label like, oh, yes, I have you officers. Yes, I will not be attending now. I will he going right back to my day job you'd have yourself a fine day sir off the phone. Like yes, I am a boy not a conflict and I'm doing well, you know again do I want to deal with the I mean, it's it's a challenging situation cuz you all suck. Look into you know, did you collect the the federal agents information? And did you verify that the people speaking to you were not like you can do all that? Yeah that they were real and if they were real and this was a legitimate inquiries same to you or and or warning telling you kind of your life is about to go down a whole new brick a roads that you might not want. You have to make that decision. Not everyone's Malcolm X right not every that's true is is I you know guns blazing I I think for me I like to live between the line of wanting to pursue certain lifestyle decisions life and and and and start to build a platform for myself where if traditionalism isn't necessary at some point in my life cool, but it depends on where the Sarazen in that person's life. That's a challenging question that that's something that can be debated for hours really? Well for me this is no debate, but it's going to be something that you don't like and it's because her grandfather her grandfather was part of the Black Panthers. A party I think that obligate serve to actually continue on our movement because it's kind of like the Legacy she got to keep it going and I know you don't I know you don't cuz we're Side by that that's what it's but it's kind of know but it's kind of like I say the grandfather instilled in heard like all this knowledge. You can't just let that knowledge died. She can use that in a new party write a book know you gotta be in the trainings. She can do she's gotta be going to win it. You gotta be full in it. She can she could do quite a bit of sick. She can finalize the content. You can have a wildly successful blog. She well, you know what I would say, but I know you hated social media. Yeah, but I know I don't think you would like this but I would think that she should put this on social media that she was contacted. So it depends on what I know. He's the like a place I would want her to say. I want her to let people know what's happening to her and that she's been challenged. You know, there's You have to you really have to think about the concept actually, you know what you technically should talk with a lawyer too though, correct? I think I think that's the first step is helpful to be honest. Like I would say I would recommend taking the rights attorney. See what yeah what see what you're right, especially now identify. Like I said definitely verify the colors and get their contact information whenever someone that represents a part of the government getting their information and verify that who you think you're speaking to is what you think you're speaking to it's it's a tricky. Like I said, that's a tricky question but obligation that that part I disagree. I think I know you would disagree, you know, you you can come from a lineage of doing whatever you are your own person and you have to make your own decisions and just because you know ten Generations before you did something doesn't mean you have to just do that. Like that's I don't know not ten Generations, but a couple of generations careful about putting the type of pressure on people because it's you know, it's not fair to that person at the end of the line who's like, you know, what I don't want to do this job. But you're you're the continuation of your old Generations into the future. So you need to keep that Spirit Alive and you can do that in books and in blogs and in Social year and in trainings and you can find a way you can find a way but you don't have to make someone you don't have to obligate someone to it's the same thing. Right? I come from a family of doctors office and they don't give you a doctor. I just felt like being a street artist, you know, like that's unfair to tell someone that they can't live they can but they should draw hearts and they should draw a lungs and they should draw off human anatomy. And then that would be fine doctors patients that they are performing. I mean, well the patients are the canvases then yeah. I'm just saying they can be a street artist and just draw off me draw organs. That's fine. You're you're kind of doing medical doctor for your joint parts and but if you draw or go like realistic-looking versions, not an MD. Yeah, but at least you're home. It's in the vein same vein. I say definitely not it's not even if they draw veins on the heart come on down and you don't you don't take it as your separate. All right, you don't take us an artist that draws medical or not of them D. But something even greater. I would definitely not. Oh, yeah. Well, you know why because they're the Medical Art therapy kind of thing. You can do art therapy. Yes, but again, our therapists are not you know surgeons they're absurd but I think can they be doctors? I think they can get a doctorate in art therapy look into all that. Yeah. I'm not sure on the accreditation. Yeah same but all I'm suggesting and you're laughing so you understand that like, you know audiences laughing here. Yeah exactly. I'm hearing them right now. If you hear of the VIN your head you like I hear the I hear all the dead. Blades right now, correct. I'm ready for my anything. That's good. I know my speech will be fire. That's all I know. Oh, yeah, I you know my you've been practicing it with your monologue practice in my entire life. I've never will be fire without a single. Is that what it's all about, correct? It's challenging to make someone feel obligated to live a life just because of their history. That's all I'm going to say on that. But I'm giving you freedom in terms of not you don't have to do one space in the career, but you just gotta kind of keep true to your heritage. That's what I say. Just keep that Heritage alive. I agree to disagree. I know. Yeah, I know you want to go for but I go for people have to be free. I just think it's too much you people put so much pressure on people and it just seems so unfair and I just think there has to be another way. I think that people have a right to determine who they are before this preconceived notion of who they should be based on what where they come so you're saying or so you're saying let's say even a president's son can be become a Turfgrass major thoughts are you being so no, I'm not. I'm just saying like you just for one thing you're again if that person if that's their dream then yes, that's their drink. So that's what they decided to do. How we can improve the fields of all the you don't know what's going to happen to that for all we know that. the grass that's going to because we're going to Of grass. They're like you never know what's going to happen and what they should do is just suggest that oh, I'm my father was President. So I have to go study political science and I have to go to law school and then I need to go run for Senator and not necessarily that would be president at once what we can become a community leader or something. He wanted to be, you know, a a drag queen host or something. Like do you like live your best life always and it doesn't matter what the history dictates before you because you are you're unique person and we have to be true to ourselves even when you have a legacy, but then the trash says it's not in the trash man, if that's your legacy. You'll never disavowed that like it is what it is like but it doesn't mean that you're obligated to continue it. That's what I'm suggesting that it can stop at you. It doesn't have to continue through you cuz guess what maybe you don't want to but then you decide to have a child and that child wants it and it continues that way like dead. But you can't say that I mean in your history in your life. Do you feel you follow through on your legacies gotta know enough money? Well, technically. Yeah, I well. I mean only immediately but I don't know enough of my like super past Legacy. Yeah, I can't go back three generations and now all right. That's what they were doing. So I do this African-American. Yeah off not knowing where you come from. It's such a challenging question. Yeah, that's what makes it a little tougher. I it's hard to have that Legacy cuz then maybe I would have done the other stuff. I don't know. I might have been like a lighting expert off figure out. What's the perfect lighting for different rooms? I don't know. So you're not taking this conversation. Seriously at all might be saying that I'm just telling you about different ways. You can go I mean I could have been a political activist too long to say that I don't think that was part of my legacy, but it could have been yes. I see it now the man formerly known as K. That's what I would be Game Over song. That's what that would be my political name game over. Well not that would be my rap name. Probably a hundred percent a hundred. Thank God we are I think the universe is this page here at the time coming to the end of our hundred and sixty first episode of well M free. What was that a ritual know that was the wrong self-defense voice? Oh, yeah. See the year that that sounds kind of like tough and like you can't mess with this person. You don't shrink if you have to explain to the voice sound stuff off. Tough though. It's not I mean, I'm trying to like improve the voice acting a little bit. Okay. He said every time they know not each and every time. Why not but this was one of the times one of the few times. Yeah. I yeah I try. I mean that's pretty close though. He's got in there. Yeah. Love the ego. Nice big brother good progress pretty do you yeah from self judging off. 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Some old friends are coming into town

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Some old friends are coming into town

"So want to get this thing started or. I mean, that's why we're here, isn't it? Yeah, I thought so. Eases christ. Just there's Keithly punks. Hello, and welcome to keep sounding podcast. Your official Carolina Panthers podcast or cat scratch. Got it. Right. This time. An SP nation site. I'm joined by John John. How are you doing tonight? I'm doing well, Brian, and I'm thinking, is this utter asshole, Brad? Are you doing this mess? The nicest thing you've ever said to me? Yeah, at Ryan's. Nice to you. Yeah, our okay. Real blue blue. So we have a football game after what feels like an eternity since the last Panthers football game. The Panthers play, the New York Giants, aka Panthers kind of north since the Buffalo Bills are also vying for that title. There's less north answers less north like that. North west. Now they're in the same. That's like the least possible thing. It could be. I was trying to make a Konya West's thing, but it didn't work out. So you know they have. You're right about that. Trying to be. Yeah, that's what I get make this podcast. Great. Again, my right. So. Before we give into all that, I'm sure Brad is going to really enjoy this next bit. The Panthers signed safety, Eric, read this past week when last week I it was. It was what they signed him. Literally, like Trump nights are two days after we recorded our podcasts and Brad went on this rant about how the Panthers sign air grief. And it's funny because I, they announced the signing like an hour after I published the the show. Like they were. They heard that rant and they immediately they got read in the building right away. I know I know Brad's rant was the reason. Absolutely was I am taking full credit for it because I went, I was very passionate about that rant. And it was is probably one of the better rants I've ever had and it's no coincidence that they signed him the next day. Not at all we made in our brand on cat scratch reader to sign Eric creed after Ron Rivera, basically, it was like, oh, we like the guys we have in the building and I fully Philly attribute the siding to of Eric read to everyone at pest graduated. But specifically, Brad and us three on the keep signing podcast. I just think. It's a great feeling. It is just to be here knowing what we've -ccomplish. Yes, to to be single handedly as long as a whole responsible for a major transaction for the Panthers. It's. It's it's humbling. Is this what feeling winning and Grammy is like? I mean, I just. Debbie close. It's pretty humbling. I must say like. Imagine it's a similar feeling. Yeah, it's gotta be. It's gotta be. So, yeah, obviously, if you hadn't heard the Panthers signed, the big, the big talking point of the off season may be behind Colin Kaepernick in, you know, whatever else, Eric, read, the guy who kneeled next him for the first time are the first guy should save kneel next to him. And now they have a starting safety who's actually good the first good safety since Mike? Yeah. Well, other than Colin Jones, obviously. But the first like legit Pro Bowl safety since Mike Minter on the team for two mil for the season. It's good. It's good stuff. That's what we call hashtag pretty good. It's a bargain as bargain. Yeah, hashtag this really sad when you think about it that he's the best safety with had since Mike men are Mike Minter tired in what two thousand and two are two thousand and three or something like that. Like it's been that low. It's been a long time. Let's find out the best we had. Blooming. Fire up the oh, Google machine. He played well. He played longer and I thought he played from nineteen ninety seven to two thousand six. The best safeties the Panthers had since him were Chris Harris, Charles, Godfrey. Kurt coleman. And I guess Sharad Martin maybe. Always own well, yeah, collar obviously the goat. But you know, in the business we call that a murderer's row of safeties. Yeah, that's worldbeaters also forgot about rookie. Nakimora. How can I forget about? There's a good one. He was the next Ed read, you know, well, he played behind. Yeah. You play behind him. So I mean, he was just as good if not better because he was younger. Yeah. I mean, everybody knows whenever an under study takes over for an oversight. They always their shoes fully. Nice. Brington. Thanks like ducks. So on top of Eric Reed being signed the Panthers, come out this week really frigging healthy. I mean, really frigging healthy in regards to all the other crappy put up with a mean like, you know, the last several weeks of and we've been talking about how this guy's hurt. This guy's hurt. This guy's hurt this guy's hurt. So now they have Curtis Samuels back from his quote, unquote thickness. We have Greg Olson's practicing again. He won't play this week, but just the fact these practicing five weeks removed from breaking his foot again, is miraculous. Who else we got out there. Birds back to me your bird obviously big deal house. Bird. Hashtag house bird. Trey, Turner's back, pretty Turner is back from the concussion protocol. Just listen is no longer dealing with a groin injury. Nora seriously still in the concussion protocol. And quite frankly, he should probably just stay there. But you know. On Asia on verve. Yeah. Yeah. But in a. It's crazy looking at the practice report, the injury report for practice and seeing a point space under did not participate. Yup, in I believe that's the first time all year that that that's happened and then only one limited participant, and it was Greg who is way ahead of schedule. Which I have a thing about, Greg, everybody talk you like there's a lot of people like all over the internet saying, you know, Greg Olsen don't rush back. You know, basically people saying when he showed her shouldn't be able to play with absolutely no intimate knowledge of the situation like no MRI's is no x-rays, no discussions with Greg and how he feels just based on the fact that they are broken foot. People feel like they're, they have enough knowledge to gate when he should be ready to play. It's not how it works. With that is how it works. We all play fantasy all gone. We're experts here say. They say, Greg Olsen foot injury, and then it's like the doctors and medical professionals and grey also he feels good all say. He'll be good soon based on my information that I know. I think they're wrong. I've read my notifications on my fantasy football team for. Awesome. Thank you. I know he's not ready. I don't care what the doctor say. My impression of a broken foot says, it should take eight weeks before he blades. And if he returns before before the next four weeks, he'll be a borderline t. e to thank you expert here. Thanks for the fantasy. Yeah. That's all I want is I want to see about injuries has just the whole idea that we as fans know absolutely nothing about his injury. So if Greg feels good and he doesn't, it doesn't hurt in the doctors think he's healed enough. Trump was role within. Yeah. And someone brought up a good point on CSR or maybe it was Twitter, I forget. They were like, well, he shouldn't rush back and someone said, well, you know, he's not played the last almost two seasons basically, and he just went for a broadcasting job. So you know, this might be his last chance to play football, which I can. I can definitely level with their. Is he on that point? It's like who says, if he came back, not this coming week, but next week who says that's rushing back like, why is that rushing back? Why is that? Like who determines what's rushing in? What's taking it slow and what's appropriate. Obviously the fans who have intimate fantasy knowledge, John. Thank you. That's what I'm, that's what I've seen. So looking forward, we have a little reunion of sorts with the Dave Gettleman led New York Giants while so boasts. The formidable face of Mike Shula who isn't actually calling place for them, but it's still their offense coordinator SMH. So. I guess let's start with the offense versus defense. So obviously the giants despite their struggles boasts, quite a formidable group of players on offense with Odell Beckham junior's sterling Shepard. Obviously, obviously saquon Barkley probably the next big thing as far as a rushing and receiving back goes. So John, I'll start with you since you are usually doing the defensive preview. What's your, what? What are you looking at here? What's the biggest thing we should be watching as far as the game goes this on Sunday. Well, in general, not just for the game, but I would like to know what makes his actual job is if he doesn't call the plays or anything like that as an offense coordinator, he's supposed to look like. Runs in meetings or something. I don't know. Basically glorified quarterback coach. It it seems like. It's really all he does because Pat Shurmur calls the plays. But Shula I think it's a situation where they're using his play design because you know, he's actually decent at doing that part of it, but he's not being given the the microphone to make the call on win to run what because that's the part of his job that he really sucks at. I will say one thing about Mike Shaw because we, we've had often divine issues simulate the entire time. We have muscial as offensive coordinator. And then he is relieved of his duties in this year with talent that I don't think is vastly superior to what we've had. The last couple of years we've got. Suddenly we have like the best run blocking off until line in the NFL and camps got sacked, like what? Three times three games. In the giants for their part have one of the worst offense of lines in the NFL and I know they were already bad, but I, I just wonder if there's something to do with the play designs that make the too tough on the offensive line. We are arguing about. I think it could be. We were arguing about this here in the slack chat over the bye week about Matt Kalil. About how Chris Clark can't be that much worse than that Khalil. But. I brought this up in, you know. It's obviously up for debate, but it seems kind of like Mike Shula's offense and Carolina at least was like, that guy has to block that guy. That's just how it goes on this play. If he doesn't block them, we're screwed or like Norv Turner is like, oh. We have a problem here. Let's scheme against that. Let's throw a quick pass to Christian McCaffrey. Let's throw a quick pass to Torrey Smith because this is a bad match up for Chris Clark. Kind of what it seems like in I, I don't know. I mean, I've been watching a Mike Shula offense for a long time, so I don't really know what adjustments feel like, but you know. Yeah, I would. I would say that's probably that's probably true in in some capacity like there's, there's definitely are there someone say definitely definitely. Probably probably some more scheming for to account for witnesses on the office of line, but to go to your original question about the giants offense. They have all of the playmakers you can ever desire on offense. I think under than like they're probably behind like the Rams and like maybe the Vikings in terms of overall talent with Odell Beckham sterling shepherd and Ingram and saquon Barkley. But like we just talked about offense line real bad. I manning not great. And then you know, I mean, patron was home ablaze, but am I chill offense, actual offense. Manning is like, I think the sixth shortest average Jeff the target this year. So it's going to be a lot of take a snap, throw a crossing Beckham in as long as Keith Klay Thompson and all them are able to rally be okay. Markley will probably get one big play, but one big play won't feel matters. It shouldn't at least without inept giants offenses, tiring. So you say that, but there's one point I want to bring up. Panthers have allowed, at least over the last two games. Several plays that went for a lot further than I felt they should have between like Giovanni, Bernard and Edo and Edo Smith with the falcons for like twenty twenty five yards against those guys. You know, twenty twenty five yards. Okay, but against saquon Barkley those can be touched down. So I am a little worried about the rush defense just because they didn't seem like they were all together against the Bengals and granted, you know, you have the by week to focus on that, but that was a little concerning. Considering like the strength of this defense is supposedly the front seven, but they were letting counterpoint go ahead. The giants offense is real then like the falcons. I do like I don't. I don't think I do think like saquon we'll get a big player to Odell might get a big player too, but they are like the falcons and Bengals can have hit those big place in keep going. The giants don't do that. They like, I'll go and all you have to do to solid drive his sack Eli manning. He's been sack more than almost anybody that he's the fourth most sat quarterback in the NFL so far this year and and you really don't have to do much to sack Eli manning. All you do is just ruined towards him. Tweeted at like during the Cowboys game? I think giants Friis Cowboys says, like, I think at this point, like if a guy like yelled really loud, you get sack. That even getting touched. So he, he goes down as soon as he sees somebody that might get close to him. He's like, he's like, he's like a drew Brees on stilts like he's takes us ready to knock them over. I'm a fights though he'll shift around and. You know, he'll sheds attack was your ally manning the defensive defensive lineman can be blocked and like reach around the guy blocking. And if Eli manning feels a hand, shoulder, repet- is collapsed into a puddle. Well, that's why that's why I mean like a drew Brees on stilts because UI manning Zeo like a bit tall. So he strikes me short quarterback who might be able to make a play, but he's also on stilts where you can't like, you know, plant in a way. So that was kind of the joke goes, may just not get what you say. He's very wobbly. Yes, he's top. He's like, he's like, he's like a newborn horse like they haven't quite figured out how to walk yet. The perfect description. So he just Bambi back in the he's in the pocket, and then it's like, oh, no. Somebody like clip might hip all up. I'm falling down. Manning is it's a, it's a chance for FAA to build off. Last week's breakout performance may get another sack on the resume. We should definitely definitely get more than one sec on Sunday. In mean the Panthers defense, which means we'll get zero and the giants will score forty eight points on us. I mean, it's Fasel I wouldn't. I wouldn't say likely. So it wouldn't surprise me in the least for that game. Just reeks of that. Chicago Bears crap. Because the Johnny. Well, real quick just about when we're point on the this are the giants offense scored eighteen points against the saints at home. Mike, that's that's. That's enough. ULA how bad their offenses I, yeah, you could just better. All I know is that the Panthers are one of those prime teams were a guy can bounce back in this just reeks of like owed l. Beckham going for two hundred and fifty yards receiving. The scares me. I have posts surrounded stresses order with this team is where necessary greets for. If he plays. I mean, Colin Jones is starting over him. Allegedly college. A Collins is fast. You know what? You're right. He is fast. I forgot about that. We're saved. This is the perfect play guys. Every solid that. Know real question. How. I swear to God. If we're on Rivera, says that he solid debt, I will quit this team. I am not even kidding. How many plays do you think Eric Reid's going to see, I think we'll see at least seventy five percent of the snaps. Yeah, I think that's what I'm thinking. I'm thinking he's he's not going to start, but he's gonna come in really early and we won't see Colin Jones anymore. Wait. That's what happens when the safety is good. I didn't think it mattered. Yes. Brian, you're gonna transition us or. Oh, I thought you guys were still talking. I'm sorry. Are you listening? Terrible home this Christ? Okay, so Brad, we just talked about what Jesus Christ. Why are you still abrasive. So I asked John about what he had, what he thought about the giants offense. I don't know if you have anything else you want to add. Probably not, but I'll go ahead and ask you anyway. No, Donald John pretty much covered everything. Sorry to steal everything from love that club that Cutler and it's by Brad? Yep, Yep. Okay. So look, I mean, if you want, if you want color analysis, I'll give it to you. I mean, see what we have to have here is the Panthers need to score touchdowns instead of field goals. And if if they can come out with a way to score more points than the giants, then they'll win the game. The sounds good. I'll it. I just Troy Aikman and. Yeah, I just gave you Troy Aikman. Nothing came that. Yes. I was trying to think of the tide in play that does Monday night football. I couldn't think of his day. I couldn't think of his damn name Jason Witten, Jason Witten air we go. Yeah, there we go. Yeah, he's. You're supposed to be a football writer. My God. Play him football writer, but I covered the Panthers. Thank you very much. Part of the job is knowing the names of all the broadcast teams. It is. Yeah, tracked. So looking at the giants defense. There's obviously some decent pieces there alleviate ver- and. Landon Collins janoris Jenkins. Snacks, Harrison. If he does play, I believe he practiced limited basis today. The Panthers offense seems to be rolling so far though. I mean, like after the first week they were a little. They're a little rusty then, but against the falcons they did lose. But they still played well on offense and against the giants. They ran for one hundred and eighty yards with Christian McCaffrey. That's taking away any yards. They got with anybody else. So right now the offense seems to have some mental going. Looking at this game, Brad. Who is it on offense that you, I guess are excited to see or who who do you think is going to be a key to this game. I'm going to take the easy way out and go with Christian McCaffrey because that's that's pretty much who it is. Like if we can see a repeat performance of what we saw two weeks ago against Cincinnati, you know, I think we'll put ourselves in a position to win. That's the correct answer. Pass even. I was gonna say that that actually brings up something I wanted to mention like. This Panthers offense for the last how many years was defined by Cam Newton's performance where now kind of seems like it's defined by both him and Christian McCaffrey. Now, like McCaffrey has become arguably as much of a focal point as him in this offense where it's not just on Cam to make those plays not just on can make those throws. Now, McCaffrey is all of his place doing like everything in almost like a complimentary fashion to Cam Newton, and that's kind of refreshing. So I don't know if you disagree John or agree. No, it's it's Grisha McCaffrey's definitely the guy to watch because the giants. Actually do really well on outside Evan wide receivers. So it might be tough for candy going down the field, the bunch of Smith in the light. But, but like they've been. Yeah, Alvin Kamara Alba Kamara had. One hundred thirty four yards and three touchdowns on nineteen theories. Against the giants and then got an average nine yards a catch as well. So it's definitely a. It's probably going to be gained both. Both teams are going to kind of stay near the lines offensively. So McCaffrey is gonna. I would definitely could definitely see another late twenty carry over one hundred yards performance. Any might get a few more catches. He's only two instances Nettie. Yeah. They like twenty. Here is in like four, five, piracy sketches. Maybe it is nice to see from this offense. The fact that they can like. About-face their game plan and go from Christian McCaffrey cash fifteen passes to him. Rushing the ball twenty two times and catching the ball twice. That's got to be difficult or coordinator to deal with when they can just go from heavy passing, heavy thinkin dunk offense to pound the ball down your throat offense, all with the same personnel. Like, that's that's pretty exciting. My opinion. Just really the way you should do everything. I don't know we've had. We've had a lot of Mike Shula here, so I think we're just trying to recover from that. We we said, okay times, but it's amazing the things that were excited about as a fan base in our office coordinator should be common sense. Like, this is amazing, our office of coordinator, late changes. The plays we to week I is. This is incredible. Yeah, that's what twenty nine other off its coordinators have been doing. He lets Cam Newton run the no huddle when he wants to like Mike God revolutionary stuff. It is coach of the year opinion. And also speaking of Cam Newton. He's probably gonna run more this week to, as I said, the giants are gonna have secrets blanket. He's going to have to run the tickets yardage. So I think heavy heavy ground game and you know how much I'm saying the run game. Yup. Run the ball as much as you can don't pass it. That's John. That's John's motto. Yep. It's all about, then you probably really enjoyed what Ron Rivera said. The other day about running the ball. I saw somebody as all get glance skimmed over. Somebody said some of that, like what he say, assing stuff's cool, but you still need to be able to run to win. Yes, exactly. Has the patriots as the patriots. Have James white being their best running back right now and the colts end, the colts right now have I think, nineteen Hanes has every single back. They'll not over this game or almost who's a tiny little fellow. That's never as fast catcher more than runner. He was also a wide receiver in college. Yeah. Just twenty fair to the Coles. Aren't they without? Aren't they without TY Hilton. So they kind of had Wii Houghton, pay plays running back, adjust on the fly. No, they're having to run the ball because they, they don't have their best receiver. What was your saying? Like the guy that they're using on the ball is a is what you typically call scap BAC not like this. You know, he's he's five, nine, two hundred pounds like he's not a because he played college. He's not like everybody, not everybody, but a lot of people still think that like. Oh, you know, this guy speak. So he's workforce Leonard fournette. He doesn't hurt. Big. Funny because letter gets hurt all the time. I see. Yeah, picked it up. One of the thing I just when I was looking at Alba Kamara stats as a call back to the offense, the giants offense. Threes. Eight players are seven players called passes. Lastly, exactly. Zero of them, average ten yards a catch against the saints. Let's the saints defense is so good. It is, I guess. So. I mean. They put the clamps on Ryan Fitzpatrick the bucks in week. One. Matt Ryan, the foul content no answer for that defense. So yes, it's, it is defense. But like oil average nine yards gets shepherd average eight year to catch Morlin saints, more like New Orleans paints. 'cause they're all over everybody. Hi nickname. Yep. One thing before we get into the score prediction. So Michael Pelosi signed a three year extension over yesterday. Wednesday today's day. Actually, it was three days ago if you're listening to this podcast, whatever Michael party signed a three year extension this week, that fair. Yes. Okay. I guess so Michael was great. Is the best punter in the league so far over the first four weeks by pro football focus. And I know sometimes take their grades grain of salt, but when they're pro Panthers, I'm all for it. So that's how that's how we consume information. We agree with we, we only give merit to glens v agree with exactly. That's how you're supposed to operate. Right. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. He beat out Andy Lee for his job last year because he had higher hang time on his punts. And overall it seems like special teams in general seems to be doing pretty well this year. I think that higher hang time certainly good. But any. Usually. So, yeah, we have the three special teams guys of the NFL all locked in for the next three years. It's pretty good. Those pretty good my opinion special trailer to to get us hype for the next three years of special teams. Imagery. What did they call themselves the brand or something like that for the brand specialists, specials officials, amazing. You still Pat Mak these thing. Yeah, my favorite one was our Graham took the turtle neck off on Retha sweater for the sweater vest with nothing underneath it classy. Yes, those real classy quite quite classy. Panthers obviously at the edge in special teams game. So that's going to be a major factor. So looking at the score guys, John all start with you, what is your game prediction? As far as the score goes. Panthers are gonna win. I think it's going to be. Twenty six, ten. Interesting. Lafayette goals not feel. Anyway, might struggle a little bit in the red zone just because we might have a hard time getting like having consistent success massing all so surprise move it on the field on feels. Brad, what about safety? The giants offense so bad. This is also possible. It is Mike Shula offense by calling the place. So, yeah, Brad, what's your score prediction. I believe the Panthers are going to win the game, and I believe the score is going to be twenty nine to thirteen. Because I agree with John, I think we're gonna see quite a few field goal attempts giants are gonna win by Brian. I actually I'm getting off my pessimistic Patty's rain. Oh shit. We're losing. I'm gonna twenty four to twenty one Panthers. I think the giants, I think the giants will still manage score points because there really isn't anybody on the St. fence who can cover Odell adequately all the time in my opinion. But I still think the Panthers win. So twenty four twenty one. Defense for Beckham is that you'll, I'm ending his quarterback. Yep. Pretty much James, Brad, and really all we have to do. All we have to do is run the ball and don't give Eliah chance to be out there. That's the key to winning the game John. So what you're saying is chew up the clock, get that possession time and. Yeah, yeah. I mean, he li- can't beat you if he's not on the free. Sure. Can't lie. I don't. I can't spot. One thing about your pets ear optimistic, take your not as missing. You will use the game to be closer than giants fans do. Horned f- impulse survey, right. Yeah, fan according to fan polls. Giants fans don't even think that the giants could win the game. They predict Carolina to win by six points and their giants fans. Of course, they also only eighteen percent of our confident that their team is headed in the right direction. So my mind, it could just be that they're having a balance on other thing. The fan pulse of people that agreed to sign up to get an Email every week to share their thoughts on the team. So it's, you know, you're not going to get a lot of these are super fans like you agreed to pay time out of your day to do this to be bothered by getting an Email. This isn't just like Jimmy Fallon walking up to random people on the streets of New York, asking these questions? Yes. Oh, if she's a lot about the direction of their team, if those are the fans that used to what eighteen percent or confident the direction and they eighteen percent that it was fifty four percent last. Tweak, you know it was about fifty fifty last week, but then when they got beat by the saints that draw pretty well, they like it's skyrocketed after they beat the Texans. And then they lost again, never mind. It would strip like shape back down to before. The huge rise in huge drought. So my reasoning behind mice, I guess somewhat pessimistic take is they played the Jags close and they played the saints close and ofensive Lee speaking. Odell Beckham is we don't really have a guy who can cover him like James Bradbury is going to his darn best. He is, but he's just owed l. is a different animal than somebody like Julio Jones. And on top of that, the Panthers have been gashed by second-string running backs over the last week. So I imagine saquon Barkley is gonna hits into, so that's that's why I think it'll be closer than we expect, but I still think Maslin pull it out. So there you do point out that the saints had a physician lead from the halfway through the third quarter for the rest of the game. So the giants really hang with them all well. I mean to possessions for them is pretty good. The saints defense is bad. It was close. I expect that way. Yeah. But when you when you think about it, what was it a fourteen point lead? Is that why you said to possession, they kicked a field goal or touchdown on nineteen to seven, halfway through the third quarter and in the giants field goals. Okay. Well, and it was. So it was a nine point. It was at least nine point three, that's three possession game, Natasha. I, if we're talking about Mike Shula offense, nine point leads three possession. They had three possession lead the most of the second. But I did like I think our offense is better than the Jags cause Blake, Bortles just doesn't add like Balsam weeks. So like that was a low scoring game. And it was more just because the Jaguars. One hundred percent like matchup base offense. Like if they played bad defense, they will tear it up, but they play good defense. They're just completely incompetent. The giants have do have good defense so that that's type of game. The Jacksonville struggled with like that against Tennessee also for them. The giants against good offenses have not done so good, but I have the Panthers really an offense like the saints right now. No, but we're better than. Not quite as efficient, but they're close. Yeah, and they're better than better than Jacksonville at Houston or offense. The one that the two, the two key differences. We don't have a receiver like Micheal Thomas, and we don't have an office coordinator like Sean Payton nor Turner's. Great. I'm not saying the north Turner isn't great, but you know, and as much as I hate Sean Payton because he looks like he swallowed an asshole. I got stuck in his mouth when he tried to spit it back out. I really, I really hate that. But anyway. Paying as much as I hate Shawn Payne is a on offense of genius. Like he's one of the three best offense of minded coaches in the NFL he could win with just about anyone. I think if you put Sean Payton on any of the thirty two teams in the NFL he would win with them. We don't have. Yeah, we don't have that, but we've got potential pieces that could one day be that like we don't know what we've got with DJ more yet. He could be as good as Michael Thomas. He might also flame out. We don't know yet. But we've got the quarterback. We've got the running game. We've got the tide in. We just we don't have. We're like more like a poor man's saints. Offense. To further Sean Payton point image Obree's have to like as do have the worst, just like minor ticks that they do that. Are he most fearing things watch Sean Payton's lips that it'll faces always making and drew Brees incessantly licking his fingers in adjusting shoulder pads. Whenever he doesn't have the like. Locking around and grabs shoulder pads because shoulder pad looks. The other thing is is it's it's there to watch like completely on related. I would hate to see a microscope like microscopic look at his tongue in his fingers because there's no telling how much bacteria and disease and all kinds of shit lives. Because, like you said, he licks his fingers like every seems like every thirty seconds heated against us. He can play and he did that thing where he like leaned forward as far as he could in clapped his Hello broke. And he would look fingers like before clapping, his hands on huddled break as he stood on the sidelines and windbreaker on drew. What are you trying to do. Oh, and I also forgot. We're, we're not quite as good at the saints because we don't have tastes. I hate that, man, I don't even. I don't even hate him for who he is. Just even last week. They brought him up on like the snap where he was just in the wildcat and they brought his name up and I just wanted to rip my hair out. I was like, God, damn it. Stop talking about taste hill. We get it. He can run. He's a quarterback, we get, he's white. He's not Cam Newton, understandable. Leave it alone. Sometimes I think sometimes that Joe buck and Troy Aikman get paid by every like reference that they make taste in hill understand. We have never seen a backup quarterback. Third string quarterback that also play special teams play as an offense of skilled player. We've never seen such thing before. Yeah, no, it's never happened before. Literally, you know, Joe web didn't exist. I think I think that's what makes it more infuriating for us as fans relative. Maybe other teams that he's basically Joe Webb and Joe never got like even a passing mention as a backup quarterback link specialties. That's kind of cool. He also filled in the bills. He's he's wild them for Brett farve for the Vikings and beat the eagles on prime time, and nobody talks about him tasting hill. Yeah, like he's actually had success quarterback it. Is it just me or does. Is it just me or does it look like Joe Webb looks like he should be named, tastes hill tastes. Joe Webb. Yes, yes. Like maybe this just be, but maybe not. You're not. You're not wrong. Web is totally a white guy. Well, so Joe. Joe Webb my my autumn Akanik. Joe Webb literally sounds like your auto mechanic that gives you shitty advice on what to do about your brakes is it does. I could get you some new brake pads, but I mean, like just throw these things in here. I'm sure your new break, your old break, fallacy, fine. You know. Totally replace your engine is the bigger problem here. Just just just start stopping tutor, just hit the brakes hard before you stop. That seems like a good idea. Oh, man. Do we have anything else we wanna touch on for the good. Yes. I think you have to give some wisdom, but other than that. We can just. You're not prepared or you Brian. So. Fans. We apologize for Brian's lack. This is gonna probably be coming off the top of said, hey. Cook my auto mechanic partway that would have been a good one. Later. Football. For the touchdown. Took it in time. Second. 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Thanks and I did hear. This call is being recorded by the Nice Lady so yes I did too so if we end apps wasting a half hour we can blame John which Sir I will welcome to keep sounding podcast. This is your New Orleans Saints. Game One edition Lou following a horrific loss to the Atlanta Falcons in in the first game of that series this is Brian joined by Brad. Brad how are you doing this fine evening. I've been better better. Yeah I think I have to So as you may have noticed that did not introduce John John. Had I don't know something going on on. I WANNA say prior engagements but doesn't really seem like that come. Just seems like he didn't feel like it I think he just didn't WanNa hang out with us. I mean yeah I could see that he. He tends to be the one who's very down in bitter and angry towards everyone intends to put us all down and make us feel bad about the panthers senator few with that Brad. Ah Do you do good glad. We're on the same page. I'm glad that you and I are at least on the same page aged. Show go round the the show I think's going to go a lot smoother tonight. Yeah without John Jumping in with his calculator and his analytics in his numbers and statistics that lack context and are wrong most the time. Yeah I mean He. He acts like the Games. Played on a spreadsheet or something like. Yeah it's just weird like it's on a the football field I know right it's not nfl xl it's NFL. Football John Yeah. Momentum is a real thing John exactly and you run the ball to win the game you dictate the tempo you play defense and you run the football. That's what we've known for how many years it's been working since nineteen o three John. Yeah if it wasn't working they would quit doing it. But that you're five and smoke at John so anyway The panthers are coming off a horrific loss to the falcons which was probably absolutely should have won. It was even even been a little bit remotely competitive event. They only scored three points on offense. Against a falcons defense a has been categorically bad throughout the entire year the final score was. I'm trying to find a whole bunch. Twenty nine to three ninety nine to three and it couldn't be twenty eight to three like if we're going to lose at least they could have made it funny. Yeah we can't we can't even mean about this game. Yeah because of that Kyle Allen through fifty passes asses this game which is his career high. And one thing I do want to bring up about that is Kyle and through fifty passes through four picks fix and was not really all that great even though he set career highs in completions and yards but again he did throw fifty passes asses and the last time Cam Newton took a panthers football field he threw fifty passes in a also. Did Not turn out. Well so is it. Is it the quarterbacks axe or is it the offense rattle you elaborate on that. I think is a combination of both. I mean when your best player is you're running back. It doesn't make a lot of sense to throw the ball fifty times. I mean I know that that opposing defenses are game planning to stop Christian. McCaffrey from running the ball. But you have to run the ball You know I'm not and and I know John's not here but I'm not saying that you can't throw it at all because that's absurd but you have to have balance. You cannot throw especially with Kyle Allen a quarterback. You can't throw fifty times and expect to win as we saw So I think it's a little bit of both. I think the quarterback you know he's limited in what he can do He's not very good at throwing downfield. He's decent enough at throwing within twenty yards but everybody knows that so the defense knows that all they have to do is shut that down and make him throw deep to beat you and because they know he can't do it so I also think that it's it's north Turner's fault for not finding a way to game plan around that. Yeah here's a little fun statistic for you as well in regards to kyle during the ball fifty times times Christian. McCaffrey ran the ball fourteen times. which is actually kind of low for him going on the season but he did catch the ball eleven times so he still around his his average of twenty five touches? Yeah I mean I didn't have a problem too much with them. Throwing to Christian McCaffrey. If eleven of those fifty catches our passes to Christian McCaffrey wise targeted fourteen times targeted eighteen times. Yeah that fourteen out of fifty. That's not that's not too bad but I still think that Kyle Allen shouldn't have thrown it fifty times maybe you know take twelve of those throws and hand the ball off to Alex Armagh. Who as far as I know is still on the roster put reggie benefit in therefore I down Put Jordan scarlet in the game. I mean as far as I know he's still on the roster so there are ways to not over overload. Oh Christian McCaffrey not throw fifty times and run the ball and be a little bit more unpredictable they also just signed somebody running by Davis. Yep they signed Mike Davis. He didn't touch the ball once on Sunday. He wasn't even active yet. He didn't even have Game Day Jersey so they still fed the ball to Christian McCaffrey. But it didn't really work out for them. Because when they got into scoring distance Kyle Allen turn the ball over or got sacked. Now I will give Kyle and credit. He threw probably the best throw. He will ever make his entire career on Sunday. The only problem is he threw it right to Desmond True Font Yeah it was a beautiful throw perfect placement. He just do it right to the defender. Yeah I remember. I was watching. I was watching and I was live tweeting from the handle title by the way. Follow us at cat scratch reader without the last E. R. E. A. D. R. and. Yeah I remember seeing that that ball come out of his hands and it looked pretty. It was a pretty throw. Had A lot of velocity went really went pretty far down the field and right into desmond robots hands. It was a dark mark. A DART to Desmond Font. And that kind of summed up the game like there was some redneck exactly was that that summed up the game perfectly physically that because that is exactly what happened. Yep It looked there were times. They looked really good and they looked like they were going to. You know score and then it just happened. Happen to go in the Falcons Direction. And it wasn't like the Falcons got lucky. It was just the panthers offense executed so poorly. I mean there aren't many times where you can say. A quarterback threw the ball four and threw four interceptions in the offense executed. Great but on top of that twenty nine of his targets targets were to Christian McCaffrey. Dj More. I don't know if you knew that Brad I did. Not Yeah he just make sure I have that right real quick but he definitely targeted both of them a lot. Hold on the phone code Yeah he threw the ball. Fourteen Times to Christian McCaffrey and fifteen to DJ morning completed in nineteen of those passes. which just those? Those by themselves is not great but yet he ended up throwing uh he also targeted the Curtis Samuel Seven Times only caught four of those. And you have just all around not a great game. The offense and obviously a lot of people have been talking about the panthers defense over the course of this year but they did their best. I think based on the fact that the panthers offense didn't score or at all and they couldn't keep the ball all that much. It's it's just one of those games the way I can put it They still sack Matt Ryan Nine three times. They hit him nine times. You know like you just can't you can't always overcome when your offense playing that for early. Yeah I mean you can't expect to win when you throw four interceptions it you just. Can't you know the the panthers may be could have beaten the bengals or whoever else is terrible. I haven't really been keeping up. Maybe never jets. Maybe maybe Miami in Washington One of those bad teams. They might could've won despite four interceptions but you can't win a divisional game. No matter how bad add the other divisional opponent is because let's not let's not give the Falcons too much credit here. They were two and seven than going into this game for a reason like they were not very good and they won two games in a row against the saints and against the Panthers so weird. Football's we're especially in the AFC south when it seems like over the last few years every team no matter how bad bad or good they are. They always play each other close. I mean even I mean even when we were when we went fifteen in one one game we lost was to the Falcons Yup Matt Ryan Super Bowl. That year was a a painful memory. Gina brought up last week and we continue need. Look back at it but not as painful as Matt Ryan's Real Super Bowl was too. That's true they did. They did in fact lose after gaining meaning at twenty eight to three lead so we do have that little bit of solace so before we move onto the defense as a whole kyle on this was by football outsiders metrics and granted. This will probably change over the course of the season but by pro football by football. Outsiders metrics that they use to measure quarterbacks. This was the worst statistical statistical game by a quarterback of all time. So they're looking at now instead. After the end of the season at being one of the worst instead of V worse so Iraq has seven more games to play so yeah exactly so it's not like the way their metrics work is. I guess it goes over the course of a full game or or a full season but right now kyle allen is on the bottom of their metrics as far as starting quarterback in the NFL. So Brad what do you think a coyote hi allowing can you come back from this. Have figured him out. What do you think teams have figured him out It's really not that hard. You know he is is one of the biggest media driven quarterbacks we've seen recently I'M NOT GONNA go into the reasons why he is a media media driven quarterback because I think we all know what those reasons our own and if you can't quite figure out why then can you know. Just take a closer look at the situation. But I mean he's not he's not bad listless gift that out of the way. Now he's not. He's not a bad quarterback he's level bad yet. He's not Jimmy Clawson level bad. He's not a disaster. He's just not a franchise guy like you're not going to. At least I hope they're not not going to get rid of CAM. Newton saved the nineteen million dollars and roll with. Kyle Alan unless they want to tank. Because he's too one dimensional like I said earlier you know he's pretty decent at throwing between five and twenty five yards anything more than Matt. He's not good at all and I know one of the arguments is that he can learn how to do it. He can grow into it And no he cannot. You can either do it or you can't especially when you're in the NFL now. If he were a college freshman or a high school sophomore more than yeah he could develop a deep ball. But when you're a twenty four twenty-three-year-old however Oli is a second year player in the NFL. L. You either already have it or you don't like is not. It's not something that comes with experience. He just doesn't have the arm and and he also doesn't have very good pocket awareness. Now this is something that he could develop with time and experience but leave the best when you're in those situations where you absolutely have to throw the football. That's when you have guys we're gonNA jump routes and make plays on the defense so not fun. It's it's not fun to watch. It's fun to watch it all and it sucked. Because like when the panthers win they do look decent like their offense. Their defense generally tends to like get after the passer get some saks. Get some big plays in their offense managed to score some points but when they lose lose bad right now like every game except for maybe we the first game of the season which is always a toss up has been like horrible loss because like limit quarterback play. And I don't know how they're gonNA to get past that at this point like I don't know what they can do with Kyle and to nullify that because he's limited he can make he can make some great throws every now and again but it's not consistent Where you can put the game plan is hands and let him win the football game and that's where they're at right now? Yeah well the downside is and I'm not trying to be Debbie Downer here but I think the season's pretty much over there are six games left And we are five and five and to make the playoffs. The panthers have to win out because I don't think ten and six gets us in in the NFC because as we are all ready chasing several teams in the wild card race. I don't think we're going to catch the saints. Because they're eight and two so we're three games behind the saints. We have have to play them twice so somebody else would have to beat them to help us out we already lost to the Falcons that was one of the Games we we needed to win. And our final six games. We have the saints twice. We have the Falcons again. That's three of our final six within the division. Listen and you know how that goes. We play the colts will play the seahawks and we play Washington. So how do we win against against the Seahawks who were rolling right now. The colts who were still pretty good. Even though Andrew Luck retired the saints or the class of the NFC south and arguably the NFC. And then anything can happen. When we play the Falcons? So you know were we have five wins. We need at least is ten if not eleven. I don't see US winning out so I don't really think it matters. You know. I think they should just keep letting kyle and play and as soon as we lose two more games and we're mathematically eliminated. I think they should play. Will greer guy was renamed to see we need to see what will will greer has I know Ron Rivera has said. They're trying to develop Allen but they used a draft pick on will grier they drafted with him at one hundred over all they could have drafted Chauncey Gardiner Johnson and shored up the secondary but they chose not to so damn it. If you'RE GONNA draft a quarterback in your starter is out then played the drafted quarterback. It's not that hard especially if you're not gonNa make the playoffs else. You need to see what you have. Because will greer might be worse than Kyle Allen. There's a reason kyle in one the job and you know it could be. It's just because it's Ron and Carol Allen has been here longer It could be because will greer is. He's a garbage can we don't know and we won't know until he plays. He was not very good in the preseason. But that's preseason So I mean and I think we can steal the return. Game with the Falcons because I I fully expect us to beat them in Atlanta. Because that's the way this this shit. It usually goes we. We always the team. That should win. Doesn't between the panthers and Falcons it seems like that's the way it always works and I think we can beat Washington but I don't think we can beat the saints especially twice. I don't think we can beat the seahawks and I don't think we can beat the colts so I think we're looking at a ceiling of seven the nine or eight hundred eight and no playoffs. Yeah I agree. And we'll see them at the Ron Rivera special. Yep the Ron on Rivera. Special marginal improvement marginal improvement. And at that point. When we're sitting there against the Falcons and seahawks in we are five and seven? Why not just play will greer? Yeah I mean you. Invested draft capital and the guy is at the very least light and play series or two here and there just to see what like you don't have to like you don't have. Let's start him against the seahawks and let them play a whole game but you know put him in there. Just see what he's got. Hey I'm Spencer Hall I'm I'm Holly Anderson. I'm Ryan Nanny. I'm Jason Kirk and we're the hosts of the shutdown full cast your avengers of college football. PODCAST it says in the script to riff on what that means and basically what I mean is it's all spoiled. Every Tuesday. We talk about everything from cooking. Disasters to pro wrestling too. Fashionable pants worn middle school. We also do you talk about college. Football every now and then like mascot fights announcers fleeing the booth early. And unfashionable pants. 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He doesn't need to play football to make money a he very well could come back in two thousand twenty with the panthers. He could be one hundred percent sent healthy and Marnie or whoever the general manager is could give him a five year two hundred million dollar contract and they could trade him he could. They could cut him. They could save. You know there are four or five different. Choose your own adventure type Scenarios Barrios with Cam and we don't know which one it's going to be so we need information more than anything else. Yeah this is the time that you especially. If if it's Ron even intends to keep his job or tries to this is where you gather information on what else you have and then make an informed warmed decision next year. Ron should play will greer at least once because then he can say. I tried everything I could use everything I had ed and we couldn't win because we lost Cam. Yeah and he. I believe he's under contract till twenty. Twenty which is the same as cam. Yep Yeah isolate. They don't have to move on from Ron. I know there's a lot of panthers fans out there who want them to and I kind of do as well. But it's hard to put if you really want to commit Mitt to Cam Newton next year for his last season on his contract. It's hard to expect him to be successful. When you move out the coaching coaching staff? He has around him so I could totally see them going for one more shot for broken. See what they can do with Ron and maybe even more With Cam the healthy cam. So they're the options wide open at this point. Yeah you're still fighting for the playoffs and I know that any rational all head coach is still going to want to say. Well we need to be trying to make the playoffs but once you're done with that you need to give will greer shot to show you what he's got yeah because they might find Out The they have to draft a quarterback this year whether or not can plays not because will greer could be terrible. Yeah we'll could also be Tom. Brady I mean you know. I don't think he is. I don't think he's GonNa I don't think he's GonNa be Jimmy Clausen bad but I don't think he's going to be call Allen. I think it's going to be anything better than Kyle Allen but I mean this is what I would do personally and I know. This isn't exactly the path we thought we were going to go down we. We talked about doing the show but they should do what the Ravens did. The Ravens drafted Lamar Jackson when they still had Joe FLACCO and and we should draft someone when we still have Cam Newton for one more year whether that be Jalen hurts whether that be to Tagliabue's whether that be Justin Herbert whether that be we won't get him but just an example Joe Borough you know one of the you know any any first round quarterback draft a guy. Let Cam play in twenty twenty if he's healthy the NFL wants to play. Let the rookie sit for a year. Like Lamar Jackson did use it. Use Create special packages for him like Baltimore. Did and especially. If it's Jalen hurts to get him acclimated and then after twenty twenty let cam go. Let him go in Free Agency let somebody else pay thirty five forty million dollars a year for thirty one thirty two year old quarterback back with an injury history whose body is slowly breaking down and just start over with a younger healthier cam. Cam Newton like quarterback. Yeah 'cause Lamar Jackson is a future. MVP In this league right now and everybody who you said that he should switch to wide receiver in the Ravens. Were rafting him and putting him. A quarterback are being proved proven. How wrong they were and and I'm not an expert? I don't get paid to analyze draft prospects. I don't watch a ton of college football not as much as I used to fuck. You will must champ. Because uh-huh Jalen hurts has the potential to be the next Lamar Jackson. Type Guy He is really good he. He was good at Alabama. He just lost his starting job. Because he's Tackler Bola played well and hurts. Didn't I didn't play well and dumb to just played so they couldn't not ride the hot hand and then Jalen hurts transferred Oklahoma and he is playing playing well at Oklahoma. He is playing just as well as collar. Murray did so I I mean I think whoever drafts him is going to be glad they did and I kind of Hope Carolina does even if they waste to gear by putting him behind Cam Newton on the bench. It wouldn't hurt to hurt to go ahead and make that move. Yeah and I think that if they do do that it's because they end up moving on for Mardi Hernia. And maybe even Ron Rivera where they're building for the future and they're letting Cam Newton like see where he goes for one year so I could totally see Carolina going route but yeah I mean it gives them options because you know they could either just like cam go free agency and build around hurts or they could trade jalen hurts for a first or second rounder to someone who wants a quarterback and signed cam to an extension like they have choices as you always need to have options. No matter what they are you have to have options. You cannot be stuck doing something you don't WanNa do like we're doing right now. Yup I agree and I think that that's a great conversation. I'm to continue for another day because the panthers season isn't quite over even though it feels like it I mean anything can happen in football. They could they could win out. I mean I don't think it's going to happen but they could win out. They could win five out of six and make the playoffs. I I don't know what. The math says John's not here to tell me with his abacus but I think the odds are very low. But they're not eliminated and I don't think they'll be eliminated until they get to seven losses. Yeah and that could happen and soon I can happen in two weeks. So we'll see about that. But for the optimists out there the optimus listening to the game to this podcast. The panthers are still in it. So we'll see what happens. We'll see what kyle and slash will greer can bring At the moment we still got Kyle Allen at the helm so we'll see what he does But yeah personally. I want him to lose out. I wanted to go five and eleven. I wanted to get a top ten draft pick. I want them to fire. Mardi hearn Ron Rivera. I want them to hire someone who knows how to draft. And I want them to hire Eric. B Enemy as head coach which offensive coordinator chiefs and I want them to build around a young athletic quarterback and be a winning franchise. That's what I want. But that's what everybody wants. Yeah and I don't think that's what we're going to get. But that's what I want. Yeah I'm willing to suffer through six law six more losses to get that. Yeah and I think when I don't I when I think I'm gonNA suffer through at least four if not five losses anyway. We'll more loss doesn't matter yeah. I agree but as we know Ron Rivera is gonNA stubbornly continued to try to make the playoffs and something he should. That's that's how he stays employed. Yes it no one can fault them for that no matter how much you hate him so On the flip side of the quarterback situation before we get we'll get into the saints game briefly. Let's just let's just jump into it right now because I mean there isn't much talk about the same with the Falcons Panther's game on defense. I think we already really broke it down but yeah the only thing I would say is. Don't be mad at Luke keithly for failing to cover Julio Jones because a that's on the coaching staff for not not for putting Leuke cleon situation where he had to cover. Julio Jones A number to it was perfect coverage. There's nothing more he could have gone on Matt Ryan through the most perfect pass. He has ever thrown in his career. Yup No matter. It doesn't matter if it was leuke. Cly Shaq Thompson James. bradberry Daryl rebus Dion Sanders. It doesn't matter who was covering Julio Jones that was completed catch no matter what it Matt Ryan threw it in the one cubic centimeter of space. That he could put it so Julio could be the only one to catch it. He'll never throw that pass. Ask again. It was a nine hundred ninety nine times out of a thousand type. Play where it's incomplete. That just happened to be the one yup and and is so bad. Yeah I felt Lewke. We played a perfectly to ram. There was absolutely nothing he could have done better. Yup that's what the cover to. What is that even called Tampa sanitary? Yeah that's the way Tanta to works like your middle linebackers gotta cover over down the middle of the field. I wouldn't put any other linebacker. They're in that situation. Try and cover. Julio is just it's who Matt Ryan. Julio is nothing you can do about it when the passes perfectly urgently. So Yep made Matt Ryan's professional quarterback who gets paid to make those throws. You'll never do it again. Yeah that well anyway. So Panthers Defense facing the drew brees led saints. Offense drew. BREES will have Michael Thomas who is currently the statistically best wide receiver in the NFL. Alvin Kamara obviously has given the the panthers so many problems over the last few years. There really isn't much to say aside. Yeah say we can sum this up very quickly clearly L. O. L.. Yeah like Bradberry is having a great year Even if Ross Cockrell plays between between bradberry COCKREL JR and Dante Jackson. Michael Thomas is still have probably over one hundred yards receiving. It's just it is what it is at this point i. I am looking forward to the fact that he's on my fantasy team. Oh well maybe we have a chance because he is so yeah. We have a chance at stopping him. He might only have like forty a yards receiving and like a fumble. Because Brad's fantasy lock is really bad. That's exactly what's going to happen. He's GonNa get like two catches for thirty thirty eight yards and he's GonNa fumble the ball on the one yard line. So hey maybe maybe we have a chance Brad on our side and I'm going to lose by five points joints because it if he would have scored that touchdown I would've won he. Yeah exactly Alvin Kamara. Though he could be a huge problem. Yeah the Panthers Rush Defense has not been great they did do a little better against Alkan also against what their third string running back. Yeah we were on their third string. Running back was was playing and we sold out to stop the run and over committed to stop the run and then and Matt Ryan threw for three hundred and fifty yards. Yeah and we still lost the only real the only real reason the panthers have any chance that this game if they can and really get after drew brees sack him even more than I would say even more than the three times a sack. Macaroni Matt Ryan. They made like six at least to really have an impact on this game or they need to turn they need to force a lot of turnovers which throw some fake diamonds at him or something but yeah otherwise I mean drew. brees is going to have a field day. Because her breathing's his his one thing that he does better than arguably anybody else the league other than maybe Aaron Rodgers is that drew brees can take a play. That's going nowhere and just magically Jacques Louis make something happen out of it that gains like ten to twenty yards and he does that all the damn time like like you can have him sacked and he somehow magically find an open receiver downfield and gets a first down. And there's nothing you can do. Like he's got a horseshoe taped up in his ass or something so I mean I expect act the only way the Panthers GonNa win this Games if they can score like forty five points. Yeah and that seems like it's going to be a problem. That's a great segue into the Saints Defense so they just played the buccaneers with James Winston. And so here's what they did to Jameis Winston. They picked him off four times which is really not outside the realm of possibility. James Winstone any given game against any given team. Yeah I think a four interception game is called they James Winston but they did they sacked him twice. They hit him twelve times in that game. So that pass rush is going to be coming after. Kyle Allan on this week. And that seems to be the solution to beating Kyle on his. Just get him under pressure. And and keep Mr Christian McCaffrey from scoring. Because even if he gets like one hundred and fifty yards from scrimmage they could still score six points so yeah and all those yards are great but they don't mean shit if he doesn't score. Yeah this week is going to be all about Kyle Allen reducing those those mistakes when the panthers have the ability to score this might be a joey slide special where kicked five field goals and even if he does they might still to win. They might still not win. But regardless they gotta keep Kyle and protected and he can't get hit that many times he will throw four picks. Maybe more like the the formulas out. There you get stopped Christian. McCaffrey from being effective all the time. You stop him from running over your defense you make Kyle and have to throw the football to score to score and were moved the chains and boom. That's the problem. So unless Kyle and suddenly finds a way to navigate the pocket in a better way than he has over the last several weeks this could be a long long game for Carolina. The release of much else to say about it the saints are very hey good team. The panthers are somewhere from the scope of kind of good to really bad like they just Kinda flew to. They're mediocre. Yeah they're mediocre but they've also had those like really great performances to the season which is why they're kind of hard to get to really like pin down to one the area that seems like a different Carolina team shows up every week so and the saints are eight and two for a reason like they are one of the best teams in the NFC. The and you know who really expect to have a really good game and it's GonNa be hilarious when he does is Johnny Gardner Johnson. The guy that we could have drafted at one hundred hundred and he went to the saints and I think it will be. It's expected at this point that he's going to probably we have at least one interception on Sunday and it would be even funnier if he picks off we will greer. Yeah thanks what happens. But it's funny. Because Chances Gardner Johnson was somebody that a lot of panthers mock draft had in like the second round for the Panthers to Pick End Stadium and take a shot shot on the third round or that was surprised that they took will greer instead because we needed a safety at the time I was hammered on the table all off season. You guys all remember that for. Yeah I mean this was before we even thought about bringing trae Boston back. Yep chancy Garner Johnson guy to watch for this Sunday's game hopefully. It's not a horrible game to watch where we're sitting there in the third quarter hoping it ends soon so but not looking ideal for the panthers authors Brad why don't we go ahead and just do our scoring predictions yeah. I'm pretty sure this is going to be a nightmare I'm I'm going to say Saints Thirty One panthers ten. I agree there somewhat. I think I'M GONNA go with Saints Sir. Twenty four panthers seventeen I think they'll like rebound a little bit but it won't be enough this game. So they'll lose the scoreboard will look like they didn't lose that badly. But I think that like looking at the game from start to finish it'll the the saints will have dominated aim for the most part I'M GONNA give John Score predictions because he's not here and I'm going to do it anyway. I'm GonNa give it a panthers. Twenty the eight Saints Eighteen Score. It sounds like something John. Let's say Yay. Because John Always fix the panthers he's probably been running excel spreadsheets the whole time. Yeah profitability figure out a way too early. Yeah almost like the avengers where there's like that one in a million chance they. They actually do win somewhere. Range of brain. So that's John's prediction for everybody and he absolutely supports Statham. Know that for a fact that don't need to consult him so no not at all So yeah the panthers play the saints on Sunday and this is looking to be not great game to watch so the one good thing about it is that it's on. CBS and Stuff Fox. So we don't have to listen to Joe Buck and Troy Aikman talk about Tasting Hill. That's true that's the one good thing about it. We Tony Romo who I only Romo. Yeah I can't wait for Tony. Romo tell us how how kyle is about to throw an interception. Because the way the play lined up his his little pre-snap stuff he likes to do. Oh Look Greg Olson's lined up in the slot. Kyle's about to throw it to Chauncey Garner Johnson here. I can't wait yeah. It's going to be good grill. Good way to to inspire confidence in your offense when Tony Romo's like hey they're gonNA throw the ball here to Greg Olsen on the defense picks it off so should be a great time Yeah Saints Chiefs Panthers The grudge match every year. The game the one the one of the two games that I would that I would like to see the panthers win. I could totally we see them lose every other game. They beat the saints in quite frankly I hope the saints make the playoffs in losing the NFC championship Tragic fashion once again. That would make this season worth every goddamn painful moment. We've had to experience so I said it before the season started I would trade and Owen Sixteen in season from the panthers for the saints to make it to the NFC championship game. Commit pass interference. That would win the game. If if if the touchdown stood but commit pass interference enforce an incomplete pass the other team challenges it and wins on the pass interference challenge and then they get an extra down and they score touchdown and beat the saints. Yup I would. I would sacrifice it's an Owen sixteen season for the saints to lose the NFC championship game on this stupid ass. Challenging Pass interference bullshit that they created because they don't know how to lose with grace. Yup I would actually even be fine with the panthers having another losing season next year. If that were to have I would i. Would you know because we're already the worst we can be as five and eleven. I will take two five in eleven seasons back to back if that's what happens. Yep even with camera turning it would still even the camera turning it would be worth it because the on top of the fact that it would just be hilarious that they had that happened three times in a row having a tragic loss in the NFC championship championship but they also drew brees thirty million dollars next year whether he plays or not the NFL. I would be fine with that and quite frankly it's just the vengeful asshole in me. But that's what I'm okay with Brad anything else. You'd like to add prior to this Saints Panther's game coming up on Sunday. No I think I've pretty much covered it. Yeah to watch yeah. I hope it's I hope it'll be at least competitive but I not holding doing my breasts but I want it to either be competitive or funny care. I don't care either way if it's not going to be competitive at least be funny if we can get like a kyle allen like wacky wacky sacks or wacky sacks or whatever it's called like fumbling the ball and everybody's jumping over each other trying to get the ball stumbling backwards. It's like thirty eight yards. I'm okay with that too. Yeah that would be fine. I'm okay with that so but we'll see what happens. I mean maybe Kyle instead atop finally delivers all the promise that the kyle truth hasn't been telling Mrs there so he is one against the saints. That's true he has never lost the saints so anyway from all of us here at the keep sounding. podcasts this is. Brian joined by Brad and not John John. Hopefully we'll see next week But thanks for listening and enjoyed football game whether it's hilariously bad or good see later keeps the football tek software for the textile ordeal the dolphins behind the village and took it in for the first time in caves shouldering. Thanks for the second second touchdown. Jonathan Stewart that. He's in for Tostao. That's intercepted the more. I know it gets a road win in New England.

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A preview of Falcons vs. Panthers

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A preview of Falcons vs. Panthers

"Is Cam Newton Dunn and Carolina. Can the Falcons Defense repeat their strong showing against the panthers and Christian. McCaffrey in what is going on with that. Panthers defense offense all of this and more as G. Thomas and I are joined by Brian Beverage. Lose of cat scratch reader on this week's the alcohol ICK podcast The guys to another episode Alchoholic podcast Fisher podcast of the Atlanta Falcons on ESPN nation. PODCAST catch network. I am W and as always joined by my co host I haven't done this in a while. Let's get through this. The June putter dog stressor super named the quick draw McGraw Facebook Messenger. The Vivian Samaritan the trash talkers supreme. The one touchstone ball. She will not be bossed genome an online Thomas Gene. How are you doing? I'm I'm doing great David. Thanks how are you. I'm tongue tied but I feel like I got through that one okay joining us. Today is a a frequent guest of the podcast and a friend. He is a writer at cat scratch reader and he hosts the EAP sounding podcasts Fisher podcast of the panthers. There's on espionage and podcast network. We were talking about the one and only Brian better sluice Brian. How're you doing man? I'm I'm good I. I'm glad that we didn't talk yesterday. Today 'cause it would've been a little more pissy about the panthers than usual so well. There's always the podcast to bring that right back out of you. So Ah we're going to dive into it before we talk about the upcoming a match. Up between the Falcons and the panthers. We're GonNa talk about what happened to both of these teams this weekend. We're going to start. Obviously with the Falcons game. Because I feel like if you're looking for a sign of the apocalypse this game could have been the early warning. Sign that this guy is gonNA turn blood red and the oceans are going to boil Gina. The saints were seven one coming into this game. Falcons one and seven. I think From a prediction standpoint at the falcons. I don't know that I think Dave was the only person that predicted the Falcons to win. It was actually James. James is usually falcons in you know it is is not a coincidence. That James is also usually in the basement. As far as Jane I am this is just. That's my honest analysis. That James was the only contrarian who picked the Falcons and boy. Oh boy where the rest of US wrong. Yeah every contrarian just so you know so the the Falcon went into Nola and I just want to clarify the saints. Had A bye week at the same time we did. So there's there's no story here about the Falcons coming off a bye week. And having an advantage the saints had the same. We're playing at home. And the Falcons went on the road and beat them beat them down plenty six to nine. They couldn't even score a touchdown they couldn't even get to double digits and the Falcons who had seven sacks wchs in any games sacked drew brees six times on Sunday Gina. I want to ask skew. What was your take? What were your takeaways from? That game is an aberration. Is it a sign of the Times whether you feel that Saints Falcons Walk Ins game told us you know. I've had some time to think about it since we broke it down on the post game podcast and I basically my analysis was just to laugh uncontrollably. I'm you know. I think that it's a variety of things I talked to Kendall Sheffield in Milwaukee from yesterday and he gave me some insight but he said that you know Kendall said that the main thing was you know just basically guys getting more comfortable in the role understanding. What their job is but a lot of that has Jimmy will whether you've got some replacement players on that side of the ball because of injuries like Sheffield Ends Monte Kings Eve filling in for with Kiana knee allow It's he's That communicates than has really improved. That bringing remorse over there. You know sometimes these players just have to hear the same things that they've been hearing over and over but they you need to hear it from a different voice and so I think that part of it. I also think that it was being fresh and rested off a bye week. Also think that New Orleans might look past him a little bit you know. New New Orleans is a very good team but they are in very arrogancy and you know. I don't really have a like a problem with that. In general I mean they're good head. I think that they've earned the right to talk shit but you know they. I think that they probably look past them. A little bit. Like Sean Payton. As with the least humble coach in the national football league and Yeah I mean this is the guy who was making choking motions at devante Freeman right. Before the Falcons Sola Wind right out of their hands hands in Atlanta a couple of years ago no so I think that it was a combination of all of those things but I think that when you look at the communication side of things and that a tremendous improvement defensively where guys just kind of seem to understand a little bit better. You know how to make magic happen on the field instead of just being complete show show the entire time. I think that those are things that we might see carryover like well. We see another stick sack performance. I hope so but I doubt it but I and we said see always incremental improvement. Yeah and I think for me the it was all about the defense. The offense I thought was still a little bit disjointed. And when I thought about it you know going back in sort of also examining the game Outside of the the jubilant bidding the saints in occurred to me that the offense probably was not completely in sync because Ryan is still suffering a little bit it from that ankle injury and his accuracy was on and off throughout the game and was probably a factor of him being able to get his foot work. One hundred percent right with that with that high ankle sprain so I have to say about of that about Ryan specifically but yeah fair enough so I think you know the offense was good enough and the defense was amazing Which I never thought I would say the season so Brian your take? I mean as as an outside observer and arguably in that position wanting the falcons to win because you guys need the you know the saints to take as many losses as possible to be able to win the division. What was your perception of that game? In how IMMI- expert opinion as a guy who watches film and watches a lot of football. Does a lot of studying the saints are just trash. There is a line that you guys are right. That the the saints looks past the Falcons a little bit and it's kind of hard not to I would think as a professional team no matter how many times they go out on camera and say we're not looking passes team. This is the next. This is next week. We're only focused from this week Blah Blah Blah. They had one win going in. And you know it's it's the saints to like as as Gina said. Sean Payton is not exactly the one to be like. Oh yeah any team could beat us on any Sunday. Yeah sure uh-huh shortly the F.. I believe you when you say that I I think that the Falcons defense finally found a way to not be terrible which was good because they have the personnel to not be so shitty and I think that knowing each other is always a factor like every divisional game is very key because every team kind of builds their team around on beating everybody else in the division because ultimately you're the way that you get to the playoffs is by dominating your division unless you're the Oakland raiders that one year so yeah I think that's a lot of it I did want to comment on that. Yeah usually a foot. Injury tends tends to cause your quarterback to not be so accurate. I'm kind of surprised that I'm not hearing about the national media calling for Mashaal or whatever other backup quarterback they have replacing Matt Ryan. It's not really the norm. I guess in the NFL normally as soon as a guy has a bad game because he can't put plans foot right suddenly are calling for his head on a platter but who knows maybe. Maybe I'm just a little jaded. I think there's something to that and I would completely agree. I don't think you're unfair in making that comparison so On that note the panthers this weekend had a tough game. It was correct me if I'm wrong but it may not very snowy very cold old. The packers are a little bit of an enigma. Because the offense is supposed to be much better and I feel like the offense is not particularly. Good it's actually their defense. That is carrying them right now as a team. I don't feel like there is good. The team is the record suggests Regardless it was actually a pretty good game. I had the opportunity to watch it on The the panthers had an opportunity at the end the Game Brian. And why don't you tell us a little bit about what happened. That game what your takeaway was from That road loss well to start the panthers run. Defense has been flashing being bad all season but a lot of the analytics people out there like well running. The ball is not a big deal. It's typically more. There's more you're more. We're likely to fail on a running play than you are passing play. But the packers ran all over the panthers and that seems to be the formula for beating them this year because as they lost to the forty niners and all they did was run. Kevin Coleman all over Carolina Panthers Carolina's defense the Bucks. There's a little bit of an was a little bit weird because they had a chance to win much like the packers game In the very ending moments in just couldn't get it across the end zone in this game really. It came down to that. The packers managed to shut down Christian. McCaffrey just enough. That Kyle needs to go out there and win the football game and people look at that last drive and they say oh he made a heroic effort he was very good under pressure but the entire game. He missed misthrows that he should have made or he made bad decisions nations. Like it wasn't a great game kyle instead of himself. So the Kyle truth out there stick to that last drives a hey. He almost won the football game. Yeah well the Panthers Panthers also had a chance to get building down by seven. They ended up being down by six. Because Ron Rivera went on with a I've I just they'd just scored. They were down by fourteen point so we went forward. The analytic say should do that. I don't think I hate the decision. But in the end they put a lot of pressure on the offense to perform form and this panthers defense is not really built right now to carry them through games against good teams like the packers and uh-huh the packers ran the ball very well against the panthers. Aaron Jones was all over them and they just once again exploited the fact that Carolina took their defense and made it a lot faster and a lot more athletic but by doing that and creating the great pass rates. They have this season. They've sacrificed the run defense. Defense and teams that are devoted to running the football and are good at it are going to run on them. And that's exactly what happened. So the very last drive was is tough to watch because there were times where Kyle Allen had like a real like wide open Greg Olsen missed him then he would make a throw to Greg Olsen. I'm on third and like eight perfect. I'm Miss Christian. McCaffrey rightful for the last game. Play the game would have been easy. Touchdown didn't throw it at the dirt in front of them and then on the very last play the panthers left guard. Greg Van Roten got got beat by the packers. Defensive Lineman contact caused a stop. Stop game was over so just one of those games where the ball were a few plays here or there could have easily changed the outcome. The panthers were definitely the underdogs dogs in that game and they did. They did come out and they played pretty well despite a lot of the really bad stuff that happens so it's the season still up in the air for picking they they can come back and they can go make the playoffs. They could also lose every game for the rest of the season. I wouldn't be surprised by either one. Yeah the the packers I I think again. There are They are an enigma team. But they are typically very strong at home and Especially when you start so you get into weather like what you guys have to see this past Sunday where it is cold. It's snowing that seems to be where you know especially teams. I'm from the South and I know it's you know sort of a overplayed cliche but there is some truth to you. Know southern teams struggling in colder weather weather but honestly it looked like the panthers had an opportunity to win and it was close loss. You lose on the road to the packers. It's not the the world. They're clearly going to be a playoff team If you look at it today but a little bit little bit surprising but not entirely Gina any any thoughts on the panthers dropping that one on the road falling to five in four not making up any ground. NFC South even though the Falcons gave him some help this Oregon. Yeah I I don't really think that that's a strong indicator one way or the other about the strength of the panthers obviously it's a different season with Cam. AM sidelines It's going to have some growing pains but they still have a ton of talent Olsen is still playing very. Well he's like Benjamin Button or something like I swear. God make any sense that he is playing at the level that he has a has age. You know McCaffrey has one of the best players in the entire national football league Legitimately put together an MVP caliber season this year. So you know I think that I. I think that losing a road game in Green Bay. When it's cold outside is really not something to be ashamed of? I think that that's a pretty common occurrence for teams all over the League and especially teams or southern teams So yeah I mean. I don't think it's a strong indication of the panthers who they really are as a team. Either way I agree and I think that's why this weekend is going to be critical for them And obviously incredibly important for the Falcons. So we're going to talk about that matchup but before we dive into you the game Sunday. We're GONNA take a quick break. We'll be right back. Are you a netflix person. Are You more into Hulu. You got that. Hbo Now thinking about that Whole Apple TV plus Disney plus peacock showtime CBS. It never ends so today. Explained Fox's oxes Daily News podcast. 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This weekend We we spoke in the first. Half about the falcons trying to help out the panthers by beating the saints and the panthers unfortunately dropping one on the road to the packers Clearly if the panthers are GonNa make up ground in the division in catch up to the saints that this is a game that is critical for their playoff hopes. They're five and four dropping. A five of five is gonNA make it a little bit harder to catch up with you. Know a a seven and two saints team but if they can you know keep winning in hope that you know they've got some matchups with the saints coming up They can possibly flip the division if you know they can play these games relatively well so important matchup. Obviously for the for the Falcons. They're playing essentially for Dan Quinn's career at this point. We did a lot of polling gina this week about On twitter and at the site about what it would take for Falcons fans fans to be okay with Dan Quinn. Staying head coach in the twenty twenty and I was a little bit surprised. I thought that most fans would be like no. We're done but it seems like the majority fans think that if he can win out or win seven of the next eight Games which I still think is tall task that they would be okay with him. Staying saying is head coach so some interesting results. In obviously beating the saints will buy you a lot of grace with with this franchise but let's let's start from that angle. I e how important you think. This game is for the Falcons of Dan Quinn Before we go the Brian to talk about the importance to the panthers. I I think that In particular I think that he bought himself some goodwill last week. no matter what not just beating the saints but going into their house you know doing something that the Falcons have have struggled to do consistently like the Mike Smith in particular. It's been better under Quinn but I mean and especially in a year where they had one win going into it and the saints head end. Verse schedule Earn an inverse record. You know seven and one compared to one seven I I think he bought himself some good well without win especially the fact that he was willing to take a step back from The defensive play calling you know in I some things in change some things up to To make the team better and so. I don't think that this game is a make or break game for him but I do think that he is still. I'm trying to build a case to remain the Falcons head coach at the end and so from that perspective. I think that every minute of every game counts. Yes I think that every mistake is magnified I think every losses magnified and I think that you know we're watching the season slip away very quickly and so from in that perspective. I think that this game is undeniably important to us future. Yep so for reference the poll that was mentioning. We ran the quick one on twitter. quitter thirty seven percent of Fan said that he's gotTa go no matter what thirty six percent said if he finished his nine and seven keep him in. Fourteen percent said eight nate. Keep him in another fourteen percent. Said as long as six ten or better you wish you keep him so interesting wresting results there in you know I think if they're gonNA finish nine and seven. They have to win. Obviously the Sunday so Brian. How important and this game for the panthers with an eye towards the playoffs It's obviously hugely important It's visual game. Even if the Falcons skains might not really have realistic shot at the playoffs. It's still a big game. The panthers need to rebound they've even without Cam. They've always been very very momentum. Based I've said that many times on this podcast and ultimately they have to come back to the way they win football football games which is Christian. McCaffrey the football play. Good defense sacked. The quarterback like this is a game for them to restore their competence. It's also a game. Where Kyle Alan can rebound a little bit Pretty much every game going forward is important because this is the toughest part of the panthers schedule. Because they have the Falcons twice which regardless eldest of their schedule. The Falcons always at least get one win over the panthers are how good they are And they have Seattle they have hundred remember who else they got. They have that up real quick great journalism. You've got Washington and Indianapolis Yeah Washington. Obviously you. I think that's a winnable game. They lost that one last year. and Indianapolis is a tough team. Very well put together. So it's they need to put together a string of wins in order to really get a push for the playoffs because even if they if they don't win the division there's a chance that even if they have say a ten win record that they don't make the playoffs because because the NFC is so stacking right now so really. I think this is the game. Where IF CAROLINA IS GONNA rebound from whatever? The Hell is going on with them right now that they need to go back to their style of football. And Kyle Alan needs to rebound and I I liked Kyle Allen but I don't think think he's GonNa be like your Nick foles type guy. He's a high level backup. I don't think he'll lead them to the Super Bowl but once you get in the playoffs it's all fair game at that point. So that's the objective right now. Yeah new season starts over all right. So let's talk about some of the specific matchups. The one I think is pretty interesting. Here is the panthers defense because I I was reading about them. And you alluded to this. In the first half of PODCASTS. They are a little a bit of a `Nigma they are one of the best pass rushing teams as a matter of fact. I'm a think they lead the league in sacks they are one of the best pass the defense is in the league and they are. I think the one of the bottom three run defenses in the League when he started which is not yeah. Yeah it's it's really weird like you don't normally see that in so they're ranking puts them as like a middle of the road defense And it it's not like they're fourteenth against the pass and sixteen th against the run. It's like they're really good against the pass and really bad against the run. which is not a normal alignment? We see for defensive units. Obviously on the Falcons side of the ball the offense up until Oh this past weekend could not run the ball to save their life and now. We've Austin Hooper probably will not be playing because of a knee injury. devante Freeman is out either. Either Smith is out for the season and it just seems like this is it is the weirdest match Gotcha. I think we're GONNA see Sunday so Brian. I'll start with you here. I what is the story with the panthers. Defense is all of that true. You think some of his exaggerated you know. Are they missing guys like Cohen Short. Thomas Davis is that a factor here is it the change in the style of defense. What do you think is contributing to the sort of a `nigma? Ah That's going on and Carolina right now. I've noticed that. So they they. They allegedly switch to a three four. But it's more of a multiple defense. They run for three three or four depending on the game situation but ultimately they have lighter bodies out there who are guys. We're going to rush the passer who are a lot more athletic but in gap disciplined that becomes a problem when you have a team that is really the vote. It's running the football Brian Burns has been really good for Carolina. Bruce Irvin has been really good for Carolina. I know you guys know who know who he is yet. Gerald McCoy turned out to be a very good signing for them. But this team is basically built to rush the passer. And that's not great when you play against a team that can run the the ball in a game situation they can run the football I think they're missing K.. Want short a lot because he would have been another big body to put in the middle where now now. It's done Terry Po who has been average of defending the run. He's too and Gerald McCoy who has never really been a big run defender as their remained. Defensive Tackles in the defensive ends are a combination of Irvine Burns of Mario Addison. FAO bottle. These are all is is who are basically meant to rush the passer. Yes so I liked the fact that they devoted more of it to the late they they. They corrected the the fact that they couldn't rush the passer last year very effectively. But they're sacrificing the run game. They're honestly if you have that like low tier flex play a fan duel or anything like that. I would put the falcons starting running back there because this could be a game. Where he he ends up going for over one hundred yards on? And it's just because the panthers defense is is weird right now because Thomas Davis were both very successful because of the fact that they didn't have lineman all over them all the time time and now leuke estimate perfect reads shack. Thomson's been great but when they have linemen off all their faces all the time. They're not defensive lineman. They're not expected into be able to. You know put off tackle on his back all the time. So Yep from the standpoint of the rushing gaming it's the panthers defense we could see them totally rebound bound and figure it out. Cause that cause Ron Rivera. Has that weird ability to do that but right now they're just coaching wise. They're not in the right place where they're maintaining gap integrity and staying true the run. They're missing tackles. They've been involving. Eric read a lot and he's a very good run defender but on Sunday he was terrible. So yeah it's it's GonNa be interesting. I don't really even know what to say. Because I could see the panthers coming out. And shutting down the Falcons and I can see the falcons going for like two two hundred yards rushing altogether in Gina. To that point I in some ways. This feels like a match up that that is hard to predict because on the one hand the Falcons have have been trying to run the ball more and they obviously have more success excess against the saints than they have had all year long but there are also missing their top. Two running backs I mean. devante Freeman is going to be l.. More than likely either Smith. We lost him for the season a couple of weeks ago And now we're down to Brian Hill. WHO had a great game against the saints on Sunday but season and he's had you know moments Throughout his career where he is looked apart you know caen in feature back option long-term no but I think especially against a team with a run defense like Carolina's he could probably get some things done. I think Brian it was interesting that you mentioned the DFS angle because shoutouts brains dock one of our readers who is on twitter and he plays in my draftkings draftkings leagues on a regular basis. And so he asked me today. If Brian Hill was a smart quake anything about it. And I mean he is going to be because he's not devante Freeman. He's not you know one top-flight backs but he I think will be able to get some points And so yeah well. While the Falcons have as much success success against the panthers on the ground as like teams with an actual first string running back. WHO's healthy enough to start? Probably not but I think the Brian Hill can have a pretty okay. Whole game wants them? I guess the thing that concerns me is again. The Panthers are one of the best to get after the quarterback and this has been a year again. We're my Matt. Ryan has been pressured pretty regularly throughout the season. That's he got injured because of excessive pressure in the game Before the bye week. So it's this is this feels like a potentially bad matchup for the Falcons offense because they wanna they wanna pass and then on top of that. You're missing an Austin. Hooper who's Relief Valve so on on with the Patriots He was sweeper role. He was a super reliable option for Ryan the entire time that he was here. Calvin readily is having a very inconsistent season You know I think that Jaden Graham has potential but luke stocker is no Austin her And so again. This is a depleted offense. I don't think that fit based on what I know about high ankle sprains. I don't think that Matt Ryan is one hundred percent. I don't think that he will be for a couple of weeks. And you know if they put him on the run and on Sunday. That's going to be. It's going to be a long day and you know the offense played. Well I thought against the saints and I have to single out caleb mcgarry because I thought he really had an exceptional game against one of the better has rushers in the league and Cam Jordan and so you know I think that they're urge selling To steal a phrase from Earth to steal a word from Thomas Roth finally gelling when we had so many personnel l.. Changes because I like. It is our chemistry so I think that they're getting there. Hopefully they can be cohesive enough to keep Matt Ryan from dying it but yeah yeah honestly I just want to say this one thing in response to Gina before we move on but if Matt Ryan is tasked with throwing the ball anywhere from thirty five to fifty the times he's GonNa get killed. Yeah Yeah Yeah. I think that's pretty clear. And they don't want to do that but I think if if the panthers can slow the rundown on first and second down. I think that'd be a key. Because if if you start forcing the Falcons in the third long in in telling US offensive line to hold on for a seven step drop against pass rush. It could be a very very long afternoon. So WanNa flip the script. WanNa talk about the the panthers offense events and this sort of what the hell are. They Falcons. Defense Gina I wanNA start the Falcons defense because you know we saw something completely different Sunday from what we've seen the rest of the season you know we saw the six sacks we saw some great coverage including from a Kendall Sheffield who are. What school did he go to your State University? Dvu even if some of our friends on twitter disagree but yes it what what is your take do. Are you concerned like I am that. Maybe it was a one game. Aberration is it a sign of a turnaround. What is your read on the defense? For the Falcons. I don't think that you can be straight up trash four all of those weeks and then all of a sudden you have one game and everybody is just supposed to be like oh great now. They're just a bunch of all pros. Everything is this egg you know. Is it reasonable to expect that they ah have improved With you know more clang time for the guys who are forced into more snaps because of injuries and you know just more time to acclimate to each other and the changes with the coaching staff. Moving his actions were reasonable to expect. I think that My hope at least that they won't look as much like hot asked as they looked for every game up until the saints game. So that's my hope but yeah I mean as far as expecting them to replicate that performance. I think that that is a long long shot up for disappointment folks. If you think that. That's going to Piss Falcons defense. We see every week. I mean I think Saints Saints Game Aside. They have to continue to earn it. They have to relearn our trust. And that's going to include having to repeat that performance This weekend and Carolina to get us to buy in that they may be better than what we thought have to hold the three field goals. And you're GONNA have to land success that's war in your trash okay. That's that's a pretty high bar but hey you guys set the standard entered yourself so on the road division game. I see no differences here So Brian Panther's offense obviously Carolina's Cam Newton. I want to get your quick take on you. He is actually going to be gone or not Christian McCaffrey. He clearly legitimately one of the best offensive weapons in the NFL. This year. at I don't think that's arguable at this point and Kyle Allen is he good enough that fans shouldn't worry about potentially losing cam and then maybe one thing that I I think is being overlooked or not talked about enough is the panthers offensive line. I it feels like they have some good pieces. But maybe there's still some holes in this this unit. What is can you give Falcons fans a quick read on the panthers offense the camp situation? Just give us the update okay. So the CAM. Newton situation is being horrifically overblown by the national media because David tepper before the season even started instead he would be willing to let Cam Newton sit for the entire season if needed They have a twelve million dollar deal or fourteen million dollar deal or something like going into next year there is no reason to trade him. They're like especially now when he's GonNa be coming off and probably not having played like what trade valued valued quarterback like that half. You'RE NOT GONNA get multiple first round picks for him so he doesn't have trade value. Have Kyle locked in on his rookie deal. He has no choice but to accept except the League minimum next year. So it just doesn't make sense to part ways with Cam. Newton that that fourteen million or so. They're going to have if they cut him or trade. Him is just going to end up going towards a quarterback probably so why would you give yourself that problem. In this off season people have been pointing. The Kyle Allen's win record and like well. He used the future because he's got this many wins and now all of a sudden that win loss record is starting to teeter back to five hundred so it's being overblown loan a lot. And if you if you actually watch kyle and play you can tell he doesn't make the throws that you would want for a quarterback. Yeah he's got he's had some nice throws but he you also Mrs stuff that Cam Newton would hit with Greg Olsen routinely So I don't think that you that Falcon stands should rejoice in that Carolina's is going to let go and Cam Newton. I think he'll be back next year and quite frankly I think he'll be back better than ever no matter what happens this season because he's going to have a whole offseason recover and the whole issue right now. Is Liz Frank Injury injury and not even a shoulder. It's a totally different injury. So those freak injuries happen everybody like it's not it's you know they absolutely. It's not like the shoulder sir. The shoulder injury suddenly contributes to him hurting his foot. It just happens it sucks and you you know it is what it is. He's going to be fine as far as the panthers offense on. Sunday against the Falcons Defense Obviously the number one guide really worry about is Christian McCaffrey. I'm sure that nobody's surprised by that. But just looking at the Saints Game Alvin Kamara touch the ball. Four Times rushing the football and eight times receiving which is twelve touches. You can expect Christian McCaffrey to get double that this game. No matter how bad the panthers offenses he he somebody where you can only contain him for so long the way he's been playing recently and he's going to get the football doesn't matter the the the one thing about the saints is that they don't devote stubbornly to a certain player all the time same from maybe Michael Thomas but even then he's been having a good season No matter how bad the panthers offense is Christian McCaffrey. We'll be getting that football. And he's GonNa get and he will break one open for a touchdown I can. If the Falcons could easily win this game Christian McCaffrey. Having one. Hundred and forty yards of scrimmage is going to happen he's GonNa he's GonNa have a lot of yards. So that's the identity. The Panthers Right now is Kyle. Alan needs to play just enough just well enough for them. Not to lose and Christian. McCaffrey needs to take place. That said you're probably GONNA watch kyle out on Sunday and be like what the Hell is national media. Hyping this guy up about because he'll he'll make throw words like a dime twenty five yards on the field and the next he'll he'll make a spin move and you're like oh we're going to see him unleashed and it'll go thirteen yards down the field where no one is around to touch it. He's just he's just not he's not going to be a franchise quarterback for anybody. I think ceiling is a high level. Backup where you can win. Football Games with them. And I think he's doing that. In Carolina I think he has outstanding poise for a guy who came out as an undrafted free agent He said himself that he expected to be starting in the NFL at some point and and which is not terribly surprised because he was the top rated high school quarterback in his year so Kyle on a not going to say he's great but he is a guy you can win with. And it's GONNA come down to Carolinas offense executing giving him good situations throw in because as we saw at at the end of the packers game when the ball when they had to give the ball Kyle Allen to throw the ball. He couldn't make it happen even like a good quarterback on the last play. The football game. You WanNa give him the ball. What did they do? They give it to Chris McCaffrey. That should tell you the whole story that I think that's a very good point. And you know to that end You were mentioning earlier. How teams build their rosters sort of win within the division? I don't think it's any a coincidence. That Atlanta has gone for faster. Linebacker guys like Dion Jones. Foyer Lucon Devante Campbell. Can all a fly and I think a big part of that is they need to be able to match up with guys like McCaffrey and Alvin Kamara. And that's you know clearly clearly sort of the competition. That's going to go on Sunday now whether or not you know how that plays out I think is going to be a huge factor in this game but with that said we've broken down both sides of the ball. It is time for our predictions Gino go the first. You've heard how it's played out. You've seen these two teams This was gonNA play on Sunday. Well I was in the locker room yesterday and Brian what I regret to inform you is that for the first time. The season the falcons were it was kind of the same vibe as two thousand sixteen like when they were just on a roll nobody gets stop. Unlike they're laughing they're having fun. Ricardo Allen is apologizing to me for being too loud and Rowdy one. I'm trying to everybody's having a great any time like they're just all obviously they're in high spirits coming off a win against the saints. But I think that that I think that that's momentum that they will carry into this week and also so this team knows that if things don't turn around substantially the Dan Quinn is going to get fired and I know that we all as are as Falcons fans have our opinions opinions about Dan cleanse fate and what it should be but I can tell you with great certainty of the players. Love Him and they do not want to be. And so I think that that's another elements of motivation for them. And so you know. I think that they're gonNA come out swinging and like Bryan said even years. On the Falcons are bad. They usually tend to steal one from the panthers. So you know it could be this one. I won't be surprised if it's not but you know I am GonNa go out on the women say yes. I think the Falcons win this week. I think it's probably a close game. I think it's probably somewhere in the realm of twenty seven twenty four and that maybe they went on Young way whose leg you know he certainly had a great game against the love to see him. Get a game winner and Carolina to sorry. Brian Brian you heard it. What is your feel for how this Games go? I have a funny feeling that the panthers are going to come out and have a game. Where Kyle Allen ends up losing the football game because the game script is out there at this point like the buccaneers? I did it once. The forty niners did it. The packers did it. They eliminated they limited Christian. McCaffrey just enough that the panthers offense couldn't keep up with the other team. So Oh it's not like this is an unknown thing but there's some game film out there to show people how to do it so I think we're Christian McCaffrey. Having a good game like let's say I don't know one hundred fifty scrimmage yards and two touchdowns but I think that that's like all we see from Carolina so I predict a twenty four to seventeen. Win by the Falcons. Well I'm also ask you guys know. Ah I think the wildcard here is going to be Great Jarrett. He had to have sex against drew brees on Sunday. He has his playing an all all pro level. Frankly he's one. The best defensive tackles in the League and he is I think he is second in the league in sacks from For Defensive Tackles that tells you what kind of your he is. Having I think the Interior for the panthers offensive line is going to have a day with Jarrett Going after him. But I I still not one hundred percent. Sold on the Falcons defense. I think they're going to play better. But I think McCaffrey free is going to have a day. And I think he's GonNa be the the difference maker here. I take your point that the falcons usually still went from the panthers even when they suck in two thousand fifteen but they usually in those seasons. They win that when at home. So I'm GonNa give the panthers the slight edge here. I'M GONNA say twenty one seventeen. The Panthers Win this one and move back into the playoff race with a six four record so Brian. Won't you tell our listeners where they can. I hate to interrupt that part just real quick. I forgot I never broke down the offensive line Situation Carolina. And what you just brought up made something I bring yes please do so. The panthers have been riding with They started out with trae Turner who or country Turner Trae. Excuse me Daryl Williams who was playing left tackle Michael for them. Who is a rat? A right tackle coming off major knee surgery. He was playing left tackle. He was awful. He gave up three sacks to Shaq Barrett Then they had greg little their second round pick he played one game had a concussion then they had their sixth round pick. Dennis daily who apparently is actually decent left tackle. He's injured this game. But Greg little is back from the concussion protocol. I think of all things to look at with the Dolphins Defensive Line. It's whoever is against Greg. Little coming off a concussion anyway. And obviously jared on Greg Van Paradis trae Turner. That will be big. I don't know how huge impact is going to have as far as sacking. The quarterback goes but I think she killed generate a lot of problems for the line of attack so anyway moving onto when I have going on so I am the the host the keep sounding podcasts for Carolina NC Sr.. I'm also the social media manager. The you'll often see me going back and forth with alcohol on twitter. Are we do that throughout the season usually have really fun time I will have a key. Matchups post coming up on Saturday as well about the panthers versus the Falcons and their key. Matchup players spoiler alert Dante Jackson V. LSU Is going to have a game so watch out for him but yeah you can check me out at Brian. BCS are on twitter. I have changed my name to make it easily. Follow but honestly just follow CASS scratch reader. Because that's where I do most of my good work and thank you for the two thousand fifteen reference. I still hate that so I just I just want you falcons fans to go home with a little homework. which is I if you watch the simpsons? There is an episode called the town. The season is season twenty-eight the episode is three four this this this this video the Episode Happened Prior to the Super Bowl of that year by the way and a description is after finding bart rooting for of Boston. Football Team homer takes family to Boston to show Bart what a terrible city it is. And I'm I am there are I am not bullshitting published before that Super Bowl amazing. I'm also glad that you share that at a moment when in my Boston born say wasn't out the checkout that ever heard I think maybe it'll. It'll make you feel a little better. Just don't look at the season and compounded by God. I'm not kidding you can google it right now. It's that's yeah I'M GONNA go off myself after this podcast now. Thank you for that Bra Gina. Before I meet my inevitable demise one that you tell our listeners where they can find you what you've got going on. You can find me right here on this podcast. You can find me on twitter at Jean Thomas where I I am often tweeting photos of dog or tweeting. An all. Caps about the falcons either. Happy or sad. It doesn't matter mayhew can I may at SP nation actually writing a weekly column Ganic about our fan. Pulse Results Falcons fans. This week's is particularly relevant to your interest because I led this Lewis Column with Just a celebration of how Falcons fan confidence went up. Twenty two points and Saints Fan Confidence Plummeted after the win delight and then of course you can find me at the ALCHOHOLIC and on Fox five Atlanta on Thursday nights reading your tweets on the air. I think I think that's pretty much all I have one on germ Eddie. CSR ON AIR. I actually I think that it was last season. Yes we'll we'll send you the video buddy As for me guys you can find me Of course here. Weekly on the post game podcast regular podcast and hopefully soon. We'll be bring about the crossfire podcast and of course on twitter at W M my articles at the Falcons dot dot com so for Gina Man. Line Thomas and Brian Bevere slew of cat scratch reader. This is David Walker. Thank you guys for tuning in and we'll talk with you next time.

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2001 Week 17: Patriots at Panthers

Patriots Dynasty Podcast

1:35:52 hr | 1 year ago

2001 Week 17: Patriots at Panthers

"This is Christine Brown. And while I have to listen to this podcast as my motherly duty. You have the choice. Not My sons and of course Michael sometimes say some naughty things trying to be funny but really just being stupid. You still want to listen. Go right ahead. I am not your back to the guys apart. Gaffe week seventeen actually keeping track and we are down in North Carolina. We've decided no shock lackey right for Patriots at Panther last game in the regular season lot on the line here least the Patriots. Not so much for the panthers. She'll get into but before we do. Gentlemen how are you doing fantastic? Maybe an trey you guys. You welcome to my hometown. That's right yeah we're GONNA raise up take shared off North Carolina South Carolina for all Carolina's. No Oh North Carolina yeah PD hall on Of Carolina's get Get offended if you confuse them. Because we know North Carolina's do dude people get pissed off. If you call Raleigh Durham one thing really good. Yeah and they're like does an airport called the Raleigh Durham Airport. Consider them to separate cities. They are two separate cities. You Son Bitch literally. Yeah well. They're like fifteen twenty miles apart. That's true and then those fucking loses over and Chapel Hill. Yeah now you're live in Durham. So you're kind of the expert on what to call it. That's right so static. Call area the triangle the whole area. Just Yeah Steve Is. Greg is called the triangle. Great what are the three points of the Triangle Raleigh? Durham in. Who The hell cares. Charlotte Waco Nope Chapel Hill Day ago. In all right cities in North Carolina. They call where I live the same version they try and go the triad note the DMV way Father Great Nickname Maryland Virginia Delaware. Now no Delaware DC the district Maryland and Virginia. Yeah Restrict Colorado Live Cow Hampshire Londonderry biggess match Ghanistan. That's probably more accurate these. We couldn't afford a house. Dairy alday Move Londonderry. Well being of angry North Carolina's we actually no one so we thought we'd have on the podcast to talk about his home team. Oh bobby his brother in law bobby so enjoy that right now with us. Today we have a special guest. It is our. I'd say top three brother-in-law would you boys agree up to the top five but it is. It is art. Sister's husband Elliott husband Bobby Bridges and this is the point where Gregory says his name with the whole body there. What the Hell so? My first question leads into my next question. Which is We we didn't have a choice to be in the Brown family. But you did and you chose this why well I regret it every day but at this point of suck now you guys are great. I mean obviously La but The family is a nice icing on the cake. You're you're the icing on the cake to walk. Thanks Greg PC L. E. CAKE. So Bob for those you don't know and raised in North Carolina. I can never remember which Carolina Bob. They're not the same. Mandy but L. handled that early slight and for North Carolina. At least I gotta right and if he shot how far from Charlotte. Where you Bob? About an hour by. You're kind of in the in the woods of North Carolina. Right. That's true. Does your town have a name. Rumor had even have a post office. My friend ooh is that new a little bit all right so so you grew up in the woods of of North Carolina. And and the panthers weren't a thing until you were probably what like nine or ten hour. Thank the came in league and ninety five ninety five so I was ten th right so then. Did you get into football with the panthers or we already football fan? I would say more or less with the Panthers. I would say as I remember it now. I was like sort of a sports fan but like when I was a kid young it was all the braves. Dad loved the braves. Watch the braves all the time You know this was their heyday. This was like Maddux. Glavin those guys. I remember watching the last out of the world series. We wanted ninety five. I was all about the braves college basketball. Everybody talks about you in seek going on then honestly at this time I was born. It's Fan so I remember my dad game in one of those years in around that time period with a friend of his tickets. I'm going to see the Hornets laying Michael Jordan and the Bulls. I remember that I've still got the tickets saved In Mike. My scrap box thing anyway. So football's for off the radar like GRANDPA's a redskins fan like the redskins were kind of team with a territory. But I didn't really pay attention to it. We didn't have a team. It was like baseball and then I was personally a little bit in the Hornets yet. Up stuff going on. It's no will not on the radar off for else morning like the as gins worthy actual alike team the area. Oh yeah unofficially. But big time were they at a closest. I don't know really geographically. Yeah but like culturally that that was the thing like. They're still a little bit of friction. There there are still like hold redskins Carolina's for sure. Wow good there aren't even redskins fans. Dc anymore for right. I had a question about the Hornets. Is that the Muggsy bogues era. This memory amassed. Yeah anyway the way it played out was basically like in this a couple of years down. The road in the Hornets thing happened and then they can laugh. And everybody is Away we're allowed to curse on this podcast anyway. The owner fucking left town I got was already starting to get into the panthers have that of success in second season. They did get them as well. The man the Hornets leaving and then the Braves Dynasty. Kinda fallen apart. It was perfect. Timing for me than Gordon. High School then. All of a sudden all lived on the Panthers Football Right. Yeah because yeah like Steve. Like Bob Hussein The second year for book they both came in and ninety five and and both teams second-year randomly. They both made it to the conference. Championship of each each conference. Obviously playoff game against the Jaguars where bright eighty went out so so actually both teams lost to the obviously eventual teams on Super Bowl and that was the Patriots. Played the packers so that was kind of a strange thing. Where because there was a bit of an anomaly to they didn't have a winning season outside of that for a while. Like a Ninety Day. Started Ninety five. They had that winning season ninety six and then the next one was until two thousand three. Who is our quarterback for line? And before that Greg have no idea started with Bob do you. Do you know who the original starting quarterback the Carolina Panthers was. I don't remember Jerry Collins I was GONNA say Cassettes I pick right. Yeah I think so. Wait not we didn't pick him in the very first. Yeah Ninety Five. But he wasn't one overall he was five for some reason. There are enough. Yeah that's a whole nother story with that fucking guy. His drunken nonsense by used to there were there was a report at once about him driving around Charlotte drunk just yelling obscenities. Racial slurs out the window fifth inning. Carolina Super Annoying. Actually when he when he easy now it was annoying when he went to the giants unlike semi resuscitates career for year. Like really this fucking washout asking goodness so yes. So we're we're kind of getting into the the the panthers right now in two thousand one and this is the end of the George Siefert era. Did you have any comments about that? Because actually read about George Siefert recently randomly. Because I mean when you first pitch this like I probably would've done it no matter what the game was when you told me when it was. I was actually. I was actually kind of excited to do this. Because the yeah the instinct thing about this game is like it's kind of interesting what we just talked about and like random. That's unlike a is then. This moment was like this was the very this. This was the lowest moment the entire franchise history. This game could qualify this game truly. It was like the abstinent of the Lowest Irian so like NFC for the one in fifteen season. There was all tra- embarrassing There was like winning that first game against Minnesota. We lost fifteen straight The team totally gave up George Siefert which like Kinda subtexts of all of that like truly. They stay like literally weren't playing at right guys. Were not like schilling up. Trying hard guys were faking injuries. It was like super embarrassing. 'cause like the team had initial high and like folks in the is really excited and I remember that being like a really embarrassing low point of like are they lose fan base. I actually looked this up today. Prepped for this that game this game against the think the only sixteen thousand people who so there well. It wasn't just that they were bad. It was like it was that they openly gave up and like a talking point of like how embarrassing this team in this coach and the morale were the other thing that happened. Here is the rake. A root thing overshadowed August remember that year. No wasn't well. The incident wasn't this year. That was nine nine with this was still playing out and I remember. I looked it up today to earn this. It was in this middle of this shit. Show season that. He was actually big. And so that got all dressed up and it just like the fucking low point of the Franz Good Lord maybe we got Chris winky themself out. Oh man the team gave up but the interesting thing is then after this was is what began really like I mean in my personal life kind of experience. The Golden Age of Panther Football. Like an you know. Interestingly it put us on a crossroads meet get in that Super Bowl two years later. The Jake degrom exactly Fox comes in. He clean things up This is Dan me going right from high school in College. All those season's over member quite fondly and just to go back to see for real quick I reading and I was reading. Because it's the we're all locked out right now. But I was reading a book by Mike Lombardi who was the old GM of the Patriots and before that he was actually gm of the forty niners in his whole thing about siefert was that Because he he took over for Walsh and the forty niners when Bill Walsh. When they're winning all those walls and everything and they were that dynasty and took over from them and basically what? You're saying that he knew how to run that system but he didn't know how to create it himself so bill wash created this system. Add rennet successfully Montana forever and then see for took over and kept going and want to see Super Bowl. The first year he in like when he was the head coach of the forty niners Got The conference championship. A few times won another super bowl and then lost individual round a couple of times and then moved on and that was like moving from Montana. Young and everything like that so I think from what I remember of him coming in. There was a lot of high hopes from from Carolina. Panther Panthers fans is that that's something you remember or am. I just made that up as like an outsider. No that's right. I mean it was interesting because he like son who the owner at the time. was already known as a pretty patient owner. And so you know we started out dom capers. Who like say what you want about. The Guy was like pretty popular and pretty energetic in the into that initial success might lose. It didn't work out. And he had a bunch of like kind of mediocre to bad seasons and left alike bitterly liked and respected for like thirty in the franchise and then they they clearly at that moment had like higher hoax in. We're kind of aimed big. And we're like we're GONNA get this like pedigree I think around quickly and then it was just shit show and it was really clear. This is a guy who was used. Coaching basically ready made championship. Team IS FLASH NOTHING AIRLINE OF ANCHOR CIRCUIT Two thousand. This is true so I think outside of this backing up before I get to that as Panther Fan. How do you view the Patriots like what? What do you of the Patriots? Yeah I mean they have to hold back. This is a pro pages podcast but where we scan the the whole gamut of their cheaters. Too So yeah. I don't think there's a lot there I mean you know that Super Bowl we played. Was You know at the end of the day kind of gets forgotten in the in the whole spectrum of things it ends up being a really exciting game Clear underdog in aim in like coming within. You know the field goal and so it's not like they're were like hard feelings Ursa and then beyond that it's then. How often do we meet? You know what I mean. It's like in the AFC only other game. I really remember all stretch was like thirteen or fifteen thirteen. We have this pain. We played you guys. Oh Yeah I just remember the non call end zone to win that game. We all remember that too. Yeah yeah remember that would and Brady was yelling at the rest on the way out. This and Belichick so was it. Pass interference I mean it was definitely clearly within the boundaries of being called out when you don't get it. Yeah that's you don't get recall. It's into the game. Yeah it's GonNa like make or break the clearly the game. Like ending play your. It was home in Carolina. Yeah they're probably not calling that Shit in the Super Bowl you know. Yeah and then they review it and then they're like we're going to let it stand fuck it whatever also a super fucking legit play from Kikwete. Annuity Yeah could have been called a whole and I think he probably took a calculated risk knowing that it was Gronkowski and you may as well because there are times where he he's handled. This motherfucker is conspiring on your fucking. So I was looking up to and I feel like outside of this one game in two thousand one. The Patriots and panthers don't really play like Boring Games. There was one in two thousand nine. Apparently that I don't remember at all. The Patriots won at home twenty ten but the other ones. There's two thousand thirteen while we're talking about twenty four twenty with the Leuke Gli twenty seventeen more recently. I think that was one of Stephon Gilmore's first game. Yeah and The Panthers Disposed Jack and the panthers one that would right the end. Thirty three thirty on some dubious. Those like a defensive holding penalty called after Cam got sacked on third down or something like that kept the drive alive in the winning. Kick the field goal and then of course the super bowl so there haven't been many games where they haven't been exciting so almost what I was looking this up. Kind of want to put the panthers in that kind of low key nemesis isn't the right word but just kind of like. It is almost a bit of a rivalry. I don't play each other very often. It's true although this this game that team along dead. I mean I would now thinking back about this put panthers. History three eras in. This game is the very. This was the dead in of the first Arab football. The ball in the John. Sarah was really second era. And then the like Ron Rivera Cam Newton era which honestly maybe is. Now maybe we call it the end of the third hour right now those. Those are the eras so far and apparently the panthers have sold out every home game since two thousand two so starting in that second era. Yeah they make sense that makes sense from my perspective. From like upward trajectory of the franchise unlike. What is that about? The redskins thing earlier like that was like that was an actual conscious narrative by the friendships. They knew they were constantly under threat. Actually wins and over. There were a lot of conscious decision so calling them. Carolina Panthers was very calculated like the inch line on Charlotte's border. It was very conscious to try to grow a large fan base knowing that an up hill battle on Polish basketball with the redskins baseball An honestly it's really since two thousand and two and a that. They've actually been able to successfully like they've basically put that argument rests that they weren't going to be able to thrive as small Mark Fan. I would agree with so so is Charlotte Panthers town. Just because for sure Raleigh Raleigh. Durham not really in my because I live in and that is definitely like college basketball. Like a million to see to stay are definitely the highest priority is percent at football fans. That are local are probably. They're like. Yeah I'm a panthers fan but it's not like you get patriots fans back home or Ryder. Die You know. I think that's totally true. And I think that that part of the state will always but college sports first and foremost I think Charlotte in western North Carolina are different and honestly the thing that gets forgotten to I just said is like a huge part of their fan bases South Carolina. Which has always been more football territory anyway And like they do draw huge base of their their Particularly like the black portion of the fan base is really heavily draws on like occupation of South Carolina which part of the reason why. Am has been such a big deal so you are. You glad camps gone supercell. Good we get. It's it's a very. It's a very sad moment the franchise in for everybody at Bridgewater. I mean it's a savvy signing like you know if you look at the market or the League's right now. Sure it's like a decent contract it's like it makes sense and like you know you gotta view this through the prism of newish owner. Who wants to make his mark new coach sheriff fine but at the same time from a standpoint of we'll give accomplished like it's tough and it's really sad to see things in this way and you know. The injuries really derailed. The last few years unlike is still look back on that stupid ass. Preseason game season when they played Cam Any artist against the past. You can't help but wonder how things play out differently with everybody with Ron with Cam. The season it's hard to stomach that I've been a little on the outside of it. The last year and a half. But it's just a tough thinking about. It should have played out differently in Cam. I mean I would posit the important player in franchise history in many ways. And he doesn't get I think. In retrospect it'll be interesting to see how his narrative plays out because it's tough because he's been under constant fire the whole time that he's been our quarterback a lot of it has been undeserved. In my opinion I agree. I don't know he doesn't like doom self. That many favors with his puts his foot in his mouth season. Any of the way like his ever seen is like cryptic finally a stupid. Like I'll say if I could talk to Cam out like look I love you and let me tell you all the why fan also let me tell you three stupid asking me for this you know. Let's things Bob. Well the fucking instagram or whatever. It is the social media thing but the new. The Font is known Man Packing the fashion things interesting. I think it's more the like he didn't do himself favours early on with like the pounding payment. It's actually good for you to be fucking past. You're not taking notes on how that's accepted like Brady can be passed but like you can't you can't just came across his pouty early in his career. I think it's from a guy who like was used to being students asphalt and like honestly it the thing that the narrative that was wrong was that it impacted the teams. I really don't think it ever did. I think that the players always had act understood where he's coming from and took it. The right way of my dude really fucking wants to win But from a broader narrative standpoint just like that shit really sank him but the we could spend a whole nother. Podcast going into the away. Which all this shit was unfairly judged through your lens of race and like the way his like a Rasma and sort of science and like fashion like mostly all of that stuff is like he's really unfairly criticized for your podcast Bob. Him Able you're Hanson. All right so my last question. We may have already touched on this. What is your favorite patriots? Panther's game Favorite Patriots Panther's game Yeah we Kinda talk through them a little bit. I I mean the honorable mention that two thousand thirteen I remember well Elliot Williamsburg. I was watching. Tv and I remember you have those memories watching a football or any sports. Were like a game happens and like you win or whatever happens like you just have that fucking high like I remember i. I think it was Sunday night. Football and it was like mad funnily that was like eleven ridiculous school in Exterior. I drank like fucking eight years or something. This is stupid. I'm GonNa feel like Shit tomorrow but I had to just having go out. I like Wynton up and took a walk around the neighborhood. My head in social so backed up. I just remember that that I mean I still can't put that first place like that. Super Bowl doesn't -rageous midst so much like it really just sparked for me. Personally it sparked like a Bourbeau charged phase of I mean I would say panthers and football but honestly sports fandom in general like I don't without that I don't know if I become a espn several times everyday co sports fan. I really don't yeah I would agree with you. That probably what happened to me too in two thousand one with the Patriots. Get you absolutely. Yeah I've always thought that of like would I be huge football slash patriots fan if it wasn't for the pats it was red sox city before all this happened. Yeah Oh yeah. The Patriots is that laughingstock of now. They'll eventually fuck this up somehow. Some of how. They're GONNA do it. Which I think is probably pretty common in a lot of a lot of towns a lot of sports too. You know a lot of teams house like Bob with the Bruins. When I was little kid I have a Bruins game ticket for ninety seven when the fleet center opened how yeah right. Jesus that's a throwback. You boys have any other questions for bump call. Yeah House here Who's your favorite? Panthers player both all time in now all time. Steve Smith Course I but he. He really represented that second area of Panthers. Football in so many ways it was like the underdog status. The chip on a shoulder was the fact that like the panthers don't have a lot of swagger but Steve Smith had a fucking mountain of swagger and wasn't afraid to tell you there's just so many moments like I rose remember moment when he like destroyed. Fred smoot on the Vikings and ruined his career and told him to ice up after the game in the in the playoff run went to the super bowl to play that. I'll always remember is with the rams in additional round and went to double overtop and that was like low key. You know it's interesting. It was past the lake Racial in turf rams but it still like kind of the remnants of that with our culture and there were twelve and four that year in like April up better than us. I remember double overtime. I just remember it was. I think it was the first play of double overtime. And it was just like Steve Smith straight up. Slant route up the cut through cornerback in the safety to streaking down. The field catching the ball into the endzone. Like I was watching the play at some friends house and Things got heated right. It was a back and forth game. But I'll never forget that play and I remember my friend's mom after that we're with a bunch of guys not all of whom are actual football fans like me and my friend Daniel. A bunch of kids we hung out with and after the game like everybody gradually moved away from the room and watching the game. And you know my composure. Remember a friend's mom saying to me later after the game. She's like if the panthers the panthers lost this game. I don't think I would have let my son's hanging out with you anymore. The definitely definitely Steve Smith. He's in my mind. The most iconic player in history and finally in his first season was two thousand one season it was it was and made the pro bowl as a return man but then two thousand three was super bowl. Season was really his breakout. Sieber yeah yeah current. I mean if we're counting last season I mean while keithly is just like I'm not ready to process his retirement. So I'll put that bear but honestly like also low key like Greg Olsen. And he's one of the rare players who's come to the panthers who has a transplant wasn't drafted by. Us has become. I would argue like in the go. So far as top. Ten Pantheon in terms of like important voices for the Franchise Greg Olsen. The Bear Snow did associated with the panthers. Yeah exactly and I can't really think of another guy for the panthers who's in that level with the franchise. We didn't draft like they locate have had a lot of success with like franchise players they drafted ransom lance not so much Which is why also stands out so much in like it's also an indicator of like how sour things have gotten in the past three to four years with ownership and management that like he went out pretty vocally being like. Yeah these guys and like when Cam posted his shed about recently about like. Don't try to pretend like I asked you for the train. Like responded to that she had was like yeah. That sounds right. Olsen has enough capital to publicly fucking. Call the team out on. Shit like that but anyway sad to see both those guys go. So it's it's kind of almost feel like another parallel with the Patriots this year and then it feels like they're almost kind of cleaning houses well with with Brady leaving and everybody else seeming to be getting sign other were yep new era. Yeah so we feel your law. Who's your least Favorite Panther? Awesome Steve Smith. That's a really interesting question. Oh man there's a lot the content bob no. I'm trying to think about that for a moment of like who pissed me off. The most Jimmy Clausen Boston was not to even be considered a you know what I mean like this guy. The fuck out Least Panther man who is really frustrating over the years. I mean Greg Hardy but thousand more like what an idiot frustrating as much as like fuck that guy. What just like not good person I would say least favorite panther. I'm trying to figure out the guys. They're always the guys who you never trusted right like in the big moment. Who were always like? You know what you're just nope get off the field like a Russia guy. I would say every number two receiver in panthers history except for Moose. That's funny that's a good one. It is true and if you if you look at like that team that Cam Newton took to the Super Bowl. The fifteen in one team joke receiving core is laughable. It's truly names. It's it was I mean Ted. Ginn was basically the number one again Ten touchdowns that season funchess right. Yeah and then from there. It's dudes like you wouldn't even recognize their name. Holy Shit all right so top receiving by yards Greg Olsen led the team in receiving yards. Ted ginn Jericho Khatri. I Love Khatri. That's an NC state guy. Go homegrown boy. Devin funchess and then Corey Brown cousin familiar. They call them Billy Brown yeah a bunch of dudes. It really didn't really didn't have business starting much less on the super bowl team. Yeah you're not kidding. And after that your fullback Mike Tolbert Tolbert Tolbert. He went to the bowl year. Apparently Yeah over. Tolbert was good. People is impact was probably overstated on the field. But he was he was good people. That's fair so here's a here's just a little bit for you. You can Take the panthers parties. Steve Smith is actual name. Steve Steve on Latrell Smith. You're staying till they go. You want to need no Ray Cruz. Real name off Ray. Ray Lamar Wiggins. Wait. What Caruth. I think it was his step-dad or something like that. I mean low key. There's been a lot of contra like that stirred up in the last year to because he got released from jail. Oh yeah then. Basically decided to continue being a really awful person in the public eye like the started off with these. Like you know what I'm GonNa Apologize and then took that apology really south. A how much denote story. I read about it a bit today. The headline is he played a guy friend of his to shoot like do a drive by shooting at the car of his girlfriend who was pregnant with his eight month old unborn child and so she dies. They do emergency. C section deliver the baby the baby however had like cerebral palsy. And other things. Because it's been like seventy minutes without air oxygen during this whole process anyway. The baby is still alive. He's a he's guys named chancellor he's alive now for mother. The girls. Mom's taking care of him. This motherfucker Rake Ruth gets at a deal and has the golden as apologize and also I'd like to get custody of my son lost his fucking mind kid. Imagine why it's like. Hey Man he's been ninety years in prison quietly severe somewhere he says Christ. Jeez that's pretty bad was so that's ongoing. That's the thing why is a new leader in the clubhouse for least Favorite Panther? There's never really an argument. If you come down Kelly. Tarnished truly turned the franchise in a way that was like. I don't see anybody topping. That he was the first round pick to was was any good on the field. It was for one season and then he was like injured ship. Much all right fuck them. So Bob are the Patriots. You're number two team now. Or is it like the North Carolina Panthers and Buffalo? Steve Steve Steve. There's no such thing as a number two team that's eight hundred thirty two teams and you cheer for one and you don't cheer for the other thirty one all right. Well it's like loss of be. Let me tweak that a little bit. Are you going to root for Cam Newton? Wherever he goes this year. We've been having with Brady. I'M GONNA I'm GonNa Hope Cam does well because I really think. He deserves a shot. I think if he gets healthy I think he can be good and I won't come to the well. I'm not going to cheer for his team but okay does well and I think it's important that he does well. What if he goes to the peaches? Then will you troopers team? An Archer for his team have already that I will support Cam and I hope he does. Well move what about your wife and your two daughters. I mean they're all patriots fans. That's that's fine. I don't I don't I don't support them in map. Supportive Dad and husband. Goddamn very transitioning that to my next question is your favorite brother-in-law. Let's let's roll off of that. Who's your least favorite running? Just based on this podcast or in general do both yeah great. Yeah I'm GonNa this is GonNa be linked on the podcast start next. I'm going to do an episode on this right all right. Well we've kept you long enough away from your family. We appreciate you doing this. Bob Thanks for joining us. This has been great. The hope the game talk is what the game talk is as good as the prelude. Oh it usually is. Yes I appreciate that. Yeah we don't really talk about the game but I think we'll have have you back the next time we talk about the panthers because that will be in two thousand and three in the Super Bowl so all right love it and this time will actually have you on the whole game because that one is actually probably when you'll want to watch indeed cool all right. Thanks a lot Bob. Thanks BOB SCARY ON TALK. Teaser. Little who really? I guess her back. I don't know how to transition out of that. I don't remember how he ended itself. Thanks bobby it's week seventeen. United transitions down here. The cheese I do whenever a interviews. Because they haven't done before see good point so I guess now that Bobby is told us how much the two thousand one Carolina Panthers have sucked. We should probably start there. Don't you think I was? I was personally surprised at how little I knew about the panthers for one and also that this was kind of their lowest below moments in history and then like when Bobby said because I watch a game we did the interview and when Bobby said that there was only like what sixteen thousand people this game. Oh yeah seemed like less. Yeah I say I don't even think it was half that and of those they're saying like sixty percent were patriots fans will say that you said team and they put actually played pretty hard for one fourteen team. I thought it was like you know you see score which aren't forget what it was but as a shit load to nothing and you're like wow. This rolled over right away but it really wasn't like that. Yeah I thought that the first half I thought they competed definitely did so. The the was hot garbage. They were pro. Football reference. Says it's steady. Tenants was seventy one thousand. I was going to bring that up no way because I looked up to to get an actual number seventy one thousand nine hundred and seven maybe as a typo supposed to be one seven one. I mean maybe they sold them. He takes us but there is like they were. It was empty. You look at the lower bowl and you'd see some people say the top of the lower bowl like what are you doing? Move Down like so. It reminded me of the few games. MLS Games. I've gone to at Gillette stadium for like the revolution back in the day when you get free tickets. Because they couldn't sell how dave disrespected website time. Not I'm just I'm just equating this where they would shut down the top bowl so that it wouldn't look empty and they put on one side of the field opposite. The camera redskins did that too. They've like blocked off part of their upper bowl right. Exactly like they put like permanent. Like fencing McGregor who were sitting against that fencing. Yes it's behind us and had like it was like like chain link fence tarps over it. Jesus so like till like have. Their percentage full be higher they were they were social distancing before it was cool ten years before it was cool. So yeah a bit about these panthers and we've heard a little bit from Bob. Ready but As we discussed there they would finish one in fifteen which the commentators pointed out nicely at the end of this game that they won their first game of the season and then went onto lose the rest of them and that was the longest losing streak in an NFL season ever. Nobody had lost more than fifteen games in a row. Then the lions are like hold my beer right eventually. That would be broken a few years after this but that was for a single season right. Yes yeah grow for one season it was the most. It was the longest losing streak in one season. Who has the longest losing streak ever is it? The boxer was at the lions. I guess the box. I think it's the bucks. Yeah I agree all the browns. I don't know what there's look like those two years where they went one in thirty two. That's got to be up there. Depending on when that win came in fifteen sixteen the next year. I'M GONNA say the box because fuck the box. Yeah I think I briefly I was like twenty three straight games or something. That's not great. We talked about George SIEFERT ALREADY. Well not anymore. They got Brady now. They're going to twenty three game winning streak. What was longer the losing streak or the Patriots winning streak when they went was at oh three or four or they won ton and around one in a row right. I believe it was. They did win a shitload load in. I remember that I think it was twenty one interrupts the longest active. Nfl Win Streak. Yes or whole time. Yeah Yeah and You could say the Patriots have the most the longest singles winning streak as well because they won eighteen games in a season so I was always looking out the best. The best way to describe their season. Yeah and I don't know if you've ever been on urban thesaurus. But it's fucking awesome with those an urban thesaurus really our just gives you like equivalent words. I only knew about. Yeah I do I suggest you go to urban disorders at some point. 'cause it's funny so. I put in dumpster fire. Some of this shit is hilarious. Tragic News Hobo Salad Dead. Man's dumpster diving boy. Nacro pyro bestiality darker as you go along. Alaskan fire dragon veto sewer Hook. Read the Chevelle Day. There's like six podcast idea. Backdraft Lord side. This whole podcast has been worth it just for that one little nugget of knowledge right. I wish we knew this. So we could ask bobby. That question of describes this of these four options. What would you choose? Dumpster fire eight. Oh backdraft PYRO. Nacro beastie Elliott all right now. Getting crazy yeah So speaking of dumpster friars this. Coaching Staff We talked about Georgia for the other coaches. You may recognize. Mike McCoy Remember. Him chargers coach from twenty thirteen. Two Thousand Sixteen was wide receivers coach. And then also Greg Roman you might recognize who is currently the offensive coordinator for the Baltimore Ravens and that records all right. He's in higher mant. He really is. He wasn't back. Then if you look at this offense Because I I did my best to come up with names. You guys on his offense. There really aren't any the winky man. Yeah former heisman winner. Is that what they say? That good in college and the the Who are the commentators commentator duo of Kevin Harlan? And Craig James Our Craig James. During this game. I actually liked them because they did. All right that's come from Andy. You know there are great. They're definitely not the a team now. I will say that and I think they knew it so they were just having fun with it. Which is like when he calls out the block. Like the on the touchdown run that got called back and then recipe like what a great block in the play and on that guy. Yeah Yep yes and Blood Compton. Wearing the visor. It's like like drizzling overcast in December. They're snower North Carolina Gotten Adviser on. Yeah it was. It was like thirty six degrees in like freezing rain and you could see snow around the sideline and stuff yeah. I don't think it's no down there. Greg I'm surprised anybody. Silica the stadium once figured they would have shut down the state so Chris winky fun fact. He spent six years of the Blue Jays before going to Florida state. So he's joining us. Twenty six notion. He enrolled at Florida State so he must must've been close to thirty time. He got drifted. Remember that he was. What was the other guy that from Oklahoma state the Brown yes Brandon Weeden? He was the same guy but the guy Didn't help him much. That that Time and the on the Blue Jays. I don't think is completion percentage. I looked it up with fifty four percent on the year for the average fifty. Six doesn't sound that sounds low. V Corps is Great. It's easy completes. Just barely one of every two passes and all a lot of those are two the other team. He had eleven touchdowns in nineteen interceptions. Yeah he threw Koppel of bad pick sexism. Game a couple just got lucky. That one of them got called back for holding on the return though on the tyler so bad though not not the second one that got deflected right unless you can call it a great thrill but little lucky. The one the tyler off. It's just awful. Yes he just. I don't know if it's a flaw of his that nobody knew about but the guy couldn't throw an out pattern to save his life through was on an out pattern. And you just hit the defensive back right in the hands with nobody in front of him. Nobody I haven't no you're about Steve. Smith was a guy who's in targeting. This was rookie year and Bobby took him a couple of years figured out. I don't know Steve Smith flashing this game. Fumbled just going to say so Like Bob who is saying see Smith I for years was more of a kick returner and wants the proble for kick returns in this season but his kick returning in his game. Was God awful off like every time he I mean. There was a bunch of kickoffs. Patriots scored thirty eight points in this game. And every single one of them he ran directly into the nearest offender and got just rag doll every time it felt like a healing as a receiver. He was resulted in me at that. One big play that got called back. Yep He was. I haven't done here. He's spin the ball down thirty one. The ball way he would catch it near the sidelines. Instead of stepping out would hit the guy The defender and try to like lower shoulder and and get knocked out of bounds. Anyway because he's so small and spin the ball and start yapping. Nothing thirty one to six so as hundred percent compete one hundred percent of the time I will say there weren't many plays that I thought he was butthole naked. Interesting way to describe naked but sure that was his quote remember. He made the mistake of forty and behind a desk at a halftime show. I don't know what gives them the idea that that would go. Well but I think thousands quote was you got some Bob Dole Nagin Open. We talked about Ad Nauseam in the the the episode. Where altogether yes Steve? Come on pay attention. No kidding didn't show it all the way I like. I like him because he's like he knows a lot of like false bravado in the NFL. The Josh Norman's of the world the comapny boroughs a he strikes me as like legitimate crazy man provider where he authentically believes. He's that much better than everybody I would. I would be willing to bet that he would fight literally anyone. Yeah like just just thinking he would be able to to win every fight. The T. L. Isn't that like how do you how you put the l? Teo is a bit self aware for me. You know yeah similar but not the same. Almost yeah he knew what he was doing he was. He was playing the media to a certain degree. Oh definitely whereas Steve Smith is just like. He's out of his mind. Yeah I think Te'o is more of a showman like he was gonNA put on a show and he was telling enough to do that like he was going to pull the sharp out of his soccer. Go stand on the The star in Dallas. You know that's what that's fair. Who else is authentic crazy man bravado the closest comp to that hines? Harrison's that now he's quiet yeah he was but he was. He was fearless though. Yeah the same way that Steve Smith is actually road wrote a blog on it andy. On what on Steve Smith? It was actually on Jalen Ramsey when he was being a clown. Our website called Brown Bruce. Sports should probably know that. Apparently you've been writing recently to isn't it isn't it linked on the pages dynasty side as well maybe. Did you even read the blog? I wrote recently log recently. Yeah I have about Alex Fan Pell No. I didn't know you wrote it. Yeah it the title of the blog is Alex. Van Pelt is your wife's favorite player. It's just it's not many word pictures of him. A Stud that the last thing friends could read fifty shades of wrecks. Whatever it was. That's what started getting weird. How's IT GONNA start getting good then? You Stop Writing Kobe Bryant. He's another one was like. Yeah that's a great. Yeah what about Pedro he's also a little quiet. He was a really low but manny to yell. Yeah I'll give you that. Many put on a show speech speaking of the panthers game where the fuck off track yet again The other names. You guys recognized a list. I did not recognize was. They're running back and honey did what was his final stat line. He was crushing on though one hundred yards by like mid second quarter. Twenty one carries one hundred sixty eight rushing yards. Yeah and like a hundred of those plus came by in the first quarter and a half I is. It was a close game so just for some context he led the League in rushing with six hundred and sixty five yards. You got one hundred six hundred seventy this game. Oh my God yeah. They had the worst rushing offense in the league and they're sitting. There does gashing the Patriots over and over like we fumbled on the one yard. Line Right. Yep So there was like three angled goals got a feel out of or some shit like that. Yeah so yes the first drive. The Patriots had Like they got I go from like the four of the five And actually scored the touchdown that you talked about. But they got called back for holding my compton on the fantastic block the Craig James Man. And then they end up selling for field goal and then Like a few plays later. Winky throws his first pick six of the game. I la WHO Outrun Steve Smith. Which is pretty cool farm on the facial of that pick-6 just imagine one on the wall near the side of the field via our role. Yep that's Broza. Banner SEAVER titleist catches. Chris wasn't pressured at all and just threw a terrible past trip. And so they got the they got the ball back and literally the next play winky throws another. What should've picked six? Yeah Otis Smith. Which only wasn't because he got called back to holding on the return by whoever the defender was So the path get the ball and like on the thirty five convert a fourth and to get to fourth and goal like the to and as Antwan Smith is running into the end zone. He fumbles it on the goal line and the panthers recover and like their first quarter wedge clay from the one yard line a hand off to that date and he ran the twenty five hundred forty five and this was like. Oh my God yeah it was he. He was basically the entire. Panther's offense game really rushing yards then winky passing yards. Stop getting the ball on the second quarter to crazy denton so bad it was not great. Carolina finished with one hundred ninety three total rushing yards brutal and no touchdowns but the name of the game was turnovers. Carolina had six of them to the Patriots. Three would still and say. Yeah but I mean. I don't know how you guys felt about this. But WASHINGTON'S GAME. I didn't think I can see how the Super Bowl because like you said going into. This game is absolute drubbing. Ends thirty eight to six. And you're like Oh yeah I I feel like I remember them. Just like beating the shit out of the panthers and kind of in the passing defense. Yeah because the Patriots defense outscored the panthers offense technically because they had to pick sixes but they were getting gashed in the run and the calm days. We're talking about how you have to worry about. I think it was the steelers running game and the Ravens as well who won the super bowl year. Before you don't WanNa you don't WanNa face then right exactly. Well I mean you can if you look at it from like Bella Checks View right where complimentary football and it's not just about. The offense was not very good but there is you know the defense the they punted got him down to the one right and then the defense held them and then they punted it too. Far and Troy Brown took that to the house. Like see specialties. Craze defense special teams touchdown Blah Blah. Blah Steve I was GONNA make the same point dam. Unbelievable did unbelievable. I had written down to my notes. Bella football on who actually a very similar return to that steelers game. Yeah Very Astute. Have you steal and then try to get right up the gut? And then there's the Punter GonNa get a meal there the sewers. You guys that I wave. There wasn't somebody within like twenty yards Troy Brown in his troy round. Ever been tackled by punter kicker. Probably not never 'cause he's never really returned a kick against Terry apparently right. Yeah ooh that would be. That would be a match up by Homa drill with vinegar. Twenty twenty two like current Troy Brown incur. Now that'd be amazing money's on current Troy Brown. I don't care. Yeah Tour Brat. He's shifty man cousin you got a bad on them. I guess well speaking of Troy Brown spry guitar brings us up. He was playing Like in front of his family. They're talking about how. Yeah I think it was in the paper that he is because he's from he's from North Carolina. We keep getting ready. I also don't care about the fact that there's two Carolina's no offense Greg. You can take offence if you WANNA you. Don't care that just to I do but I don't care too if somebody tells me they're from one of them. I'm not going to remember which one they're culturally very different. Andy maybe you should read a book not about the Carolina. Get your head out your ass. It should dig out of your hand. Boy We saw troy row comes. comes home to his home state and they're talking about how he bought like hundred tickets for this game for like friends and family and I think he brought like pee wee football team the game or something like that And this is a great game to watch. If you're troy. Brown Fan said he had that sixty one year apartment for a touchdown he also eventually set the all time patriots single season reception record. Which if you remember it was. I think it's like for the half and catch that that set the record but then it got challenged and overturned. Because he didn't completely catch it and they kept like showing him the camera on and you just like laughing and smile you can tell kind of pissed off. Does want to show got that. Was that fucking record and the only did it. They didn't say Shit exactly yeah. It didn't happen much longer afterwards but no like video. Montage expect us with drew. Brees STOPPED THE FUCKING GAME. And like what the plaque there troy rounds. Black nude a crew was the worst. Did it again this year? To produce you did the touchdown record this year. Yeah not not a regular season touchdown record exactly on Monday night game and I had frigging Michael Thomas and they just pull them in the second quarter. There's like thirty eight nothing and all you. Now as we're talking about his drew brees course. I was so mad back to why this is a great troy. Brown game is that Antoine Smith running touchdown innings. I shop for the water along with Troy. Brown has his guy. The cornerback on like roller skates and neither pushing them. All the way back in the end from twenty five yards out. Oh yeah that's classic Troy Brown right. They're just blocking like a beast on the edge should get Thuan untouched heads. Yeah is also tyler game. It was a great fantastic. Okay Smith Game. He had two picks which technically return both touchdown. One guy called back broke up a ton of de passes reprise you to have like three or four picks in this game you just can't catch and I was GONNA say from my best. But there was one play where he was lined up on the far side of the field. And he he came on a corner blitz. And you got to watch the entire thing. Unfold and it felt like watching Like a national geographic thing where you can have the lion the lion hunting you like coming down on the on the prey like always going to get him. He's gotta get him he better for that. Football anchors wing. He just didn't even feel like I second. That was now. Just fantastic television yet. Gazelles Never Camera Angle and everything. Yeah so I have a note on here that Miss Tackle by winky and then the high step pick six. That's Otis's like pick six in the fourth quarter is the gift of winky's career. You think I'll get a summit up your great in the pros but then down thirty one. Six thirty one eight third pick six of the game. Yes was never any good right now no not. Nfl Britain van. Winky nicely done come. Nobody's or these early existing. Oh I wish I wish. I were an Oscar Mayer winky. You're is digging deeper these. She's up in Attleboro. It's a website the berm files you hear a name like winky and you're like there's a nickname for them all amazing websites that. I I I know right well I will have to put all these links in the in the show notes so that other people can call there was. There was one where I didn't want want to interrupt you guys on the. Yeah so the dumpster fire one purple headed Christian. Meet missile of anything to do with dumpster. Who knows did it's just. Sometimes words go well together. Give me that one. More time. Purple headed Christian meet missile Kirk cousins real name as his nickname and high school. Holy Shit who? I have one more thing thing about Troy Brown That I forgot to bring up the beginning of this and before we get sidetracked again Before this game Pro bowlers were announced Brady and Malloy both the pro bowl but troy brown. Didn't which is kind of bullshit because he had like one of the best seasons receding in the League and who was also. Yeah exactly so The Boston Globe article about it and everybody was pissed. Form apparently and This is what the the globe I say. His friends and fans were angry upon learning troy. Brown have been overlooked for the AFC pro bowl team. But Not Brad himself. No big deal said Brown. Who will officially be named an alternate to the pro later this week. The Watergate players who were selected. Hetemi is nothing. I can say about it. A lot of guys in here on the team weren't happy about it but it's out of my control important thing that I have the respect of my teammates and that we're heading into the playoffs and trying to get to the Super Bowl. I'm not upset or angry or anything like that. I've just tried to go out every week and do whatever it takes to help. Team can troy Brown man or give one hundred ten percent fucking love. That's just who he is though foul. Yeah that's okay. Always been my favorite patriots buyer forever. Yeah have you seen it? Brendan Fraser Movie. Where he's like the sweaty guy in the Locker Room Chris Brown. It's the sweaty in Brendon Frazier. Where we tiresome. They're interviewing him and he's talking to law one hundred ten percent. That sounds familiar eric. What never mind this killed it. But I'm ready to send you guys the link afternoon like Oh man. That's funny that every every time I hear a player give them a bullshit response like that. That's all I don't think of Brown is bullshit. That's just who he's always been though. That's why bell check. I mean that could have been ballot. Check like response for him right. All I care about is winning. I don't care about individual accolades. I my team. We're going to the playoffs right. Like that's Classic Bell Jack on Alpay that forum right I don't care about the roster bonus for a pro bowl you know couple extra million I just I dislike. It was just happy as playing man. Eight Craig Brown. Read his Rita's biography. I have not read that and email to me. If you have it can get you. It's I don't think it was very much kind of feel like it was so I know you had a hand in it. Scott some interesting stuff in it. I would hope had a hand. It was it was very. I think it was like ghost written for him. You know yeah but it's still it's still sounds like troy. Brown is what I'm saying. It's a good book. Greg I have a stat check note. What like what was the last coach. Other coaches are traded for a pick because a commentator talking about how Bill Jack was traded for pick he was doc rivers in. Gruden's the obvious answer right. Gruden who will say next week but as a hesitant anybody. Since then I'll accurate. Remember Doc rivers was he. Yeah Yeah I can't. They lay off top. My head really. Yeah Oh wait no. That's the groom one way. Yeah here we go. Because they're like yeah track swapped herm Edwards. Apparently what who paid a big for her knowing Kansas City was interested in hiring him to succeed the retiring Dick for meal and we're tempted to strong arm. The jets into a contract extension and include raise. His move didn't work. The two teams eventually settled on a deal which came to city sent the jets. A fourth a fourth pick is the fourth bigger round pick in exchange release Edwards from his contract Holmgren from the packers seahawks eight year contract valued at four million dollars year. Total control over football operations lured homegrown to Seattle. Ninety nine was not only coach but also executive vice president football operations and general manager. The packers received the seahawks second round pick forty seventh overall the ninety nine draft and bill. Parcells he so on was pre Bella check but post ourselves now Holmgren was homer was ninety. Nine am parcells was right around then. Right seven yeah so this is good Lullaby are Oh yes. Oh Eat Jeff's name bill belichick parcel citizens head coach and signed prosales as a consultant pages balked in and if L. Commissioner Paul Tagliabue worked deal. They gave the Patriots. The jets third and fourth round picks a ninety seven a second. Pick Ninety eight and a first round in ninety nine on top of that. The jets also donated three hundred thousand dollars to Patriots Charity. Exchange for New England RELEASING PARCELS FOR PARCELS. Got a first second third and fourth. Yes wow and three hundred thousand dollars donated to Patriots charity and then checkers just a first rounder right. I believe so. Here we go The patients were awarded. We want patients were awarded the jets fifth round. Pick in two thousand one in seventh round. Pick in two thousand two doesn't make sense okay now hearing NFL Commissioner. Paul Tagliabue awarded the jets the Patriots First Round Pick in two thousand and fourth and seventh round pick in two thousand one and the Patriots got the jets fifth round. Pick no one and seventh round. Pick not so some late. Yes I is like. You don't see coaches being traded like it does not have fifteen years. It's basically those five. Yeah and guys going back and forth between the Patriots ballot check parcells Home Grin all within for years. Yeah so maybe that was the the coach trading era of the NFL. On if that will ever come back. Probably not I think was harder to find franchise franchise coach question. I guess that goes back to question. Would you rather start a team with ballot check or Brady? This point somewhat obvious right Brady a couple years left. Donald Check has long. I meant like from the beginning Greyhound one. I probably want to coach. I would think What's his name from the chiefs? Andy Reid yeah you like? He's he's he's been able to do is elevated any team. He's been on the same bill. Parcells to parcels would always create playoff teams. You never quite as accessible without Bell Jack. But he was still took the cowboys in the playoffs. Right say the jets took them in the playoffs. So anything else you want to talk about in this game you want your best and worst review. My notes did you see. Chris laid out there. Yes I did actually see out there but he was on the list players on the team. They they call them out. A little bit did they. I I MISS. This was his. This is his kind of song after how hatred this last season in the NFL. You was actually on the team with two and a half sacks though only season without not on the Patriots I did have a note like Brady had seventeen ten I and then throws two more in this game so the year with what seventeen and twelve and that's his probable just today to think about like. Oh yeah seventeen twelve i. t's slyke Sunday even replacement level. I mean it was different. I she know he did throw a touchdown. He wanted to wiggins Like wiggins felt that check. He got an offer it. Yeah he did you. You know you're right which I have a note on here is probably important like wiggins had a couple catches in this game. And then you'll have a huge. Catch against the raiders spoiler over maybe this game or will he find our next week so he threw eighteen touchdowns season To anybody no Here's a here's a quiz for you. How many did he throw in the playoffs? This in two thousand and touchdowns Because it surprise me one who Greg Brown nailed it one dave in the rams in Super Bowl. Yeah right before the only touchdown he threw he ran for one. And so we went through one against Pittsburgh Let's US which was the same one that Brady with throw in the Super Bowl corner out a pattern in the end zone I am I. I looked into that Ray caruth thing a little more that we talked out talked about with Bob. Yeah Yeah Juicy. Well the only thing I think of note is how he got caught and arrested. Oh boy yeah. We didn't touch on that. Yeah so he. He hires the guy that shoots his eight month pregnant wife or girlfriend right she. She didn't die immediately. She like went into a coma like arraigned him. Whatever he paid the bail a three million dollar bail so he got out then she died after that. So that's when he tried to escape in the trunk of a car of a friend. They said when they arrested him he was like hold up in the trunk of a car. Thirty nine hundred dollars right the cash bottles to hold his own urine. This sounds familiar candy bars and a cell phone. Yeah I feel like this was actually on the news where they had like surround. The cops surrounded the car and they're like pulling him out of the trunk copter footage of California and then you have That former boss a Nissan. You hear about that guy. No Oh indicted in Japan for like body and stuff and he like fled the country in a violin. Case I'm going on out. There played with the Middle East. That is Scott. Freeze always like can't be extradited and it's the most Japanese thing ever. Everybody else got a cello case. He's a fucking rakers got to this did about violet. Goddamn nufemme probably Jesus. Yea actually remember that. The only other note I had was. They were talking about the fans at the stadium. The said forty forty percent where where in patriots gear on that day heard. Let's go jets. Fan Chair yeah changing its stance because you know way to give away my worst sales such on that because I we kind of almost talked about the beginning but This game did have playoff implications for the Patriots because they had to win this game. And the jets had to beat the raiders the patients who got the number two seed and a first round bye and of course our friend. Fucking Ron Gorgeous. Decided that would be a terrible idea. And so he wrote a bunch of articles in the Boston gl Forbes saying That's probably a good idea for the Patriots to lose this game so that they would play wildcard weekend. What lying three games would be better than whoever they would face? And all this extra time off would be. That's retarded ads. Ron Gorgeous epochal ron bog. And the best thing was The day after the game he had to do another article that basically said that all the players would prefer the extra week off. Yeah had to walk back later. Everything he said well when they opened the game they had a graph cop and I was like Patriots of the number two seed. There was a bunch of people like ten and five or whatever yeah and is like because I don't I don't see the scores. Were Far Watch Games? Like to be surprised. I guess there and I was like man. How do we go from number two to plan a walk our weekend and then like halfway through the second quarter they? Oh you up the jets. The jets can be Oakland today. Then the Patriots get a by and I was like fucking jets that anyways. I would root for the jets to lose and play on car weekend. Rob that call and said you know what we should plan walkout weekend because up the jets and Fuck Curtis Martin. I'll be like yes. That's what it should have stadium. Who's chanting? Let's go jets. Fuck them Steve's Bari. But this'll be good at. I'm Sad that Mike's not here for this one but The jets won it on a last second field goal. Thanks to The the Heroin seemed like a strong word for a holder on on a field goal attempt. But Tom Tuba. Got a bad snap but still managed to to pull it up and settled up for Fox kick out and John Hall so to to kick the game winning field goal so the just one twenty four twenty two in the game so Tom Tuba is the reason. The Patriots Dynasty began. That's fine. I mean they gave us. The raiders. Game was awesome. And we'll talk about that next week. All ends well but PUCCA jets. I'll give you my best all right. Best the come on so they The commentators or like Brady had a hard count and it was like third and six or something like that right and he gets a hard count and gets a offsides and they're like oh you know brees hard gallons part of his arsenal and like literally wild talking about how this this hard count as far as arsenal brady by south. The quarterback sneak the R. Occur member of Brady. Qb sneak like that during the season. Not Nothing stuck out on the line. Quick not unlike the. Yeah just like the hurry up. Get to the line and do up quick. Yup that's that's is like number one dollars. Yeah into fair Steve. Neither you nor I have watched any of the games this year. So we could. I feel like it may came up once but it may be one of the games that you guys Rogers me and Mike. May like the fucking early dolphins game but There there were. It hadn't happened often if it all so this this I year the beginning of what was a legendary run of him. Converting on digital yard housing yards doing it one yet at a time. That's great all right. You worse was the jet stuff. Yeah fuck them. That's Greg what about you all right? So my best there was a couple. Those was a couple instances where they they put in the you know. The in game highlight package where they give you the update around the league. You might be still my best. Yeah well there is two okay. I'll leave the one. I think you're going to go with you can do about. I'm tracking by the mouth. Okay well the first form was a Chris Motto Ma. Follow citing yeah. We'll we'll get to talk about him next week. Old Enough said Christopher. He's bad ma. Follow up that pronunciation on. I go to my. I followed a lot about that. Man's Day life. Hello my God. He's he's one of the best. Yeah Ma Fowler Tim. Biakabutuka and Manawanui I saw. Oh I try Boca so the other one was one. I think you thinking of was key the tractor trailer intercept return and running it like probably sixty yards. We didn't do the Patriots because I saw that and I was like I feel like I've seen that play with him in a different jersey. Maybe I'm remembering. I think it was the Ted Washington when you're remembering yeah wasn't that Washington. Yeah the thirty one nothing game. Yeah think so but no. I mean we've seen other nose tackles return. Fumbles or central invincible for doing a couple of times and it's always awesome. But I've never seen anybody who adds slow Keith. Traylor do this will end. The best part is he gets like forty yards in. Yeah he starts looking around for some pitched the ball do is you could tell he was just so somebody take this thing and it couldn't find so at the end just kind of fell over. Nobody tackled and we just kind of like went down in a heap at the five yard line. Fatman touchdowns are fatman returns at a best. Oh they're so good like the referee without running and like having a like just jog to slow down a bit I just looked at that. He has a nother. Sixty two yard return now. Sixty seven wow sixty to ninety seven. Did he score now? He hasn't scored didn't just runs out of juice. And the when Wolf work does it. He actually looks like athletic about it. He we'll we'll we'll talk about other hand he's he's thrown a stiff arm at one on one of them the transfers the ball from one arm to the other he's holding like an actual football players like a loaf of bread. I mean the all time worst Leon Lett Fatman name. Yeah he did Don Beebe Yup nice deep diabolic. What's worse than I hadn't really thought of it. The only other note I had in here was is when they Spin into a worst is when the there were talking about Brady and like you know. They have the meetings the night before and they said that he was wearing baggy blue jeans and it was hanging barely on his fanny sign times in a backwards. Baseball cap barely. Audits Fatty. Tell you the kids these days a give you that all right. Let's see what's what's my best here. A lot of worse in this game was a sloppy game saul sloppy One of my was Infographics they put up. Just the title of one of them was panthers or pussycats. No it was just showing how they ranked last in like everything and the second last and everything else. That's seventeen us. Yeah that's a week. Seventeen graphic we're like no one's watching his game right. We go to proof. Pussycats graph jokes on them is twenty twenty where watching it it. It was so good Let's see I feel like yeah. This is the best is GonNa get for stuff. We haven't talked about I think the worst was basically all of garbage time. At the end of his game there was a patriots fourth. The fourth quarter while Brady tried to hit patent deep on on third down up like I dunno to touch already Other they're up twenty four six and they go and just for the hell of it and so they punt The next play. Winky fumbled the snap. Patrick cover brace. Scores a touchdown and then Or Smith violates pick six is still in the fourth quarter and at the end like the panthers is still kind of trying to go for it but it's like fourth in really long The past jump off sides on the fourth down play and winky drops back all. He's got a free play drops back and gets blindsided drops football and it literally sits there like nobody goes to recover it becomes like a free anyway so like eventually one of the Patriots players jumps on it and And so and this is on a plate. Like doesn't fucking count. And then so the the the panthers get a do over. Now's like four thousand two hundred two four thousand seven that was a foreshadowing for Cam Newton in the Super Bowl panther-style. Now I don't Wanna I don't WanNA picked up was like watching the Boise. I'm good and then so. They have fourth to which they could of converted but then winky goes on almost rose yet another reception Ota Smith and has basically how the game was just like running out the clock. It was like much shit show. They had their chance because they're running back as gashing us who's off. It was committed a bunted dump penalties and winky was could not stop throwing fixed Coupla their honorable mentions for worse Steve Smith Fumble. On the kick return was his eighth fumble on kick returns season. Yeah had that no talking eighth. And he's still made the pro bowl different back then And that on the opening kickoff Patrick Pass returned it. tackled as he was going out of bounds and hit the plastic tarp and slid so far that he hit the the benches and injured himself is jacked up the whole game. He kept playing but tell US shoulders fucked up from like. Yeah it Net ben shot. Yeah because he made a couple of tackles on Steve Smith on KICK RETURNS. He was all like yeah he would compounding on every time. Reggie how Shame Star Wars that that foul play in the Super Bowl in the superdome. Yep Oh yeah yeah he did. He sued soup something. Been the rams old stadium as one of those domes. Oh has your cement on the outside had a cement ring before they hit the the actual like stadium wall and that's what he slid on Tour Shat that he did that. I was like that. Look like Reggie Bush because I I and then like all the sudden has a bunch of Shit. Yep He's is no way to stop. Looters like slid on his stomach. Like five ten yards at full speed into the footing of the those metal benches that they have in silence but I have have more Trivia meltdown I thought was pretty cool on winky's second interception. The one to open Smith I got called back. That was tipped the received a tip that was Donald. Hays who the year after would actually be playing for the Patriots and catching touchdowns. I wasn't he. A dolphins guy. Donal no doll. Hayes was with the panthers for one two three four years. This is the last year the panthers then year. Donald driver Steve. Yeah Yeah Probably True. Packers in for the pattern of two one of those One hit wonders that would be on. Tom Brady's list of seventy seven hundred receives so many of them. I have one note before we wrap it up. Give it to the end of the second half. They had the Hail Mary chance. The Panthers said the first half and the Patriots rushed one player. Someone blitz like literally. They rushed one they did. And then one of the linebackers blitz said like literally the other four guys like Alan eventually an e forced fumble and the commentators even better than that is that a fumble like now at the talk role was the. Tuck rule came into effect yet again. This is the second time we've seen at the season because it came into effect in the first jets game to back to. Yeah everyone remembers. Ibm You can always pointed that. First jets game like Oh yeah. This happened that once. I like anyone's really thought of this. But that was Louis the end ended. The first half was hip. It was clearly a fumble as is clear fumble actually has a very similar kind of hit to them as exactly. Yeah he he he was pulling the ball down and got hit got hit from his right side from guy. Blitzen like Free Yep and all you're saying the talk and the Patriots game. The raiders game was a fumble to then no because it was considered both called on the field. And you just said that. This clearly a fumble. Today's game yes. It is clearly fumble. Is it the heart the even see? I'm talking talk. Oh interesting even. Call the interest. If you'd watch the Game Greg now I see that part more than usual. You give you credit for that all right anything else. Anybody wanted to touch on here. I think that's all my notes now. Foreshadowing next week raiders. One of my favorite games of all time yeah. I think you're not alone in that. The snowball snowball. That's right and we will see you next week for a playoff edition of the Patriots Dynasty. Podcast thanks listen. I am dreaming of a one stop stop.

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Matt Rhule, Carolina Panthers HC

Get Up!

07:05 min | 1 year ago

Matt Rhule, Carolina Panthers HC

"Welcome to another special edition of the Adam Schefter. podcast this week. We already put out one that contain interviews with Jerry Rice. Lorenzo Alexander the former the buffalo bills linebacker who announced his retirement over the weekend and ESPN analytic. Screw Evan Kaplan but when the panthers had a press conference on Wednesday for their new head coach Matt Rule and we had the chance to sit down with him for a second time as we did in December before he began his. NFL Head coaching interviews. We we of course agreed to that. So once again for the second time within a month former Baylor and Kern Carolina Panthers Coach Matt Rules -gratulations -gratulations thank you so much longtime no. Speak happy to have you on back again. I have to ask you today. Had to be one of the most memorable significant days of your life you become an NFL. Hey coach officially what will be the most memorable part of this day. I think you'll always remember You know I I would say it would be walking out into the stadium with my my wife Julie. My son Brian and my two girls. You know You know seeing the magnitude of you know. So what what what what. We're undertaking what we're being entrusted to do You know everything else. You know you kind of run it from one interview. The next meeting people which is all great but having a minute just kind on a catch my breath and look at the stadium and look at the jumbotron which had a big picture of me and said you know. Welcome having my kids having a moment when my kids I'll I'll certainly remember that for a long time. Had you ever walked in to the Panthers Stadium Bank of America Stadium Four. Never Been I. I've been here twice My first year as an Assistant D.. Any line coach at Temple. We came here and play Clemson and that was a pretty memorable day for us. I put it on us and then I came here My Year in New York we came here and play Thursday night ah the panthers and so Had a chance to be your twice and third time carries the most meaning. And for those. Who Don't know basically you were the offensive coordinator at Temple in two thousand eleven? The giants Assistant Offensive Line Coach in two thousand twelve. The temple head coach in two thousand sixteen the Baylor head coach in two thousand nine hundred and now the panthers coach here in two thousand twenty. How do you explain a meteoric rise that takes you from the offensive coordinator Temple to the head coach of the Carolina Panthers in nine years? I'll just say a bunch of really good. The players are really good coaches that that performed at a high level for me. You know And I think that that decision to go to the giants and worked for Tom Cough rougher Kevin Gilbride those were that was a really powerful decision. I think it really changed. You know the trajectory of my career and it told me hey eventually I want to be in the national football league so took the job at temple. What kind of bet on myself and said? Hey you know what I'm GonNa give shot. It worked out. went to Baylor and kind of again ourselves there because people thought you know why would you go there at the time with the situation and Really really proud of those kids. I mean I'm not sitting here. Kids don't go from eleven losses to eleven wins in two years and so I'm I'm excited to be here. And I think this will be a great great great time time for me personally for this team. And you're talking about being there and you bring up the New York giants. There are a Lotta people who thought with you being from the New York area. They said that the giants were of your dream job. How difficult was it not to even interview with the team that many people thought you might wind up with well you know? I think when when when when when the Mr Tepper came down Monday night and when Marty came down Monday night Stephen Drama didn't sat at our house I it was just clear that that was was you know that was the right place for me. And that doesn't mean anything bad about any of the place but you know I've said it for a long time I I had a great great job at Baylor. I mean I had an eight year contract that paid me more money than I could have ever imagined and I had a beautiful house at a great team. Everything was Kinda sat and so for me to leave that security It had to be something that I felt was just really unique and I talked to Mari and talk to Mr Temper. It was clear that this was the right opportunity. And and after I left my wife my son Said Hey. That's that's where we should go and woke up the next day and you know they offered me the job and I just didn't Wanna I didn't WanNa to to to not take this opportunity. Felt like the right one and I I woke woke up this morning. Feeling really great. Knowing that I'm at peace is the right place for us right now and that at the press conference today in which you were introduced the first thing they said is. Here's what's next so so I guess I would say to you is what's next for you now that you're in the job as the Carolina Panthers head coach. I've got a lot to do. I've got to build a staff And I got a really start to evaluate and get to know this roster and and get to know The more you get to know the contract situations with Marty and at the same time you know. Get to know them as people so you know Had a chance to be Christian McCaffrey they had a chance to talk to Cam. Yesterday on the phone had a chance to See Shack this morning and a chance to see EJ anymore so just starting to try to get around and meet a bunch of people and You know really you know. Get to know the team so But I think building staff and doing getting the team the two the things I have to do right now and once we have those things done we can kinda hit it running. I guess I would ask you when you build a staff who's in the running for offensive coordinator important higher. Well I am. I've talked to a couple of different guys and the good news. Is this kind of been out there for a while so You know there's been guys who've Kinda been reaching out to me and So you know I wanna I wanNA have a coordinator who's WHO's got. NFL experience but at the same time is is is is doing things that are cutting edge new and so I'M GONNA take my time. Make sure you get the right guy. Make sure that we have some what the right amount of Right amount of experience and vision for what we want to be and There certainly but no shortage of people that are interested in which is great. You mentioned that you spoke to Cam Newton on the phone yesterday. What can you tell us about that? Conversation with. Cam Newton Just that you know he. He's all he was awesome to talk to passionate tell he's a great guy tremendous competitor and and I know he's getting healthy right now and again it. It was just conversation just to introduce myself and say how much I look forward to to get. Know Him in the future and and You know I told him until all the players I mean. I really don't know anything anything right now. I just Kinda was here today. But I'll get caught up to speed really quick on where everything's at and We can get this thing moving in the right direction. Well Matt you've also become the I guess to be on the Adam chapter podcasts in one month period but you gone from being the Baylor head coach to the Carolina Panthers head coach. Nice to talk to you equal. I appreciate the time you've given us over the last month. Congratulate you on the new job there with the panthers in the NFL. Thank you so much. And now another edition of obvious news from GEICO experts. 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Part One: The Bastards Who Killed the Black Panthers

Behind the Bastards

1:13:11 hr | 1 year ago

Part One: The Bastards Who Killed the Black Panthers

"Here's the thing saving money with. GEICO is almost better than playing pickup basketball. Because there's always that guy who joins your game. He never passes the rock. He constantly bricks threes. And who completely hack you. And then put his hands up and say no foul no foul with GEICO. It's easy to switch switch and save on car insurance no need to fake. An ankle sprain. Because you're absolutely exhausted. So switching save with GYCO. It's almost better than sports accepted that this is the best introduction Schema. I'm going to put together and I should just roll with it. My eight Robert Evans who boy that was rough. That didn't go well This is behind the bastards. A podcast about terrible people And today My guest is Rap Artists musician Propaganda say. Oh West West just how you doing man man. I'm honored to be here. You know I'm toning down my phantom. I've been listening ever since you. We started following me on twitter at listen to your music number times and I like it a lot particularly board of education. I think that's probably my favorite one that I've heard so far it's man And I thought you'd be a good a good guest for this episode especially since you have some like family history with the subject. We're talking about Before we're going to do you want to introduce introduce yourself differently than I introduced. It was great. Yeah no I Yeah hip hop artist Do a couple pods now Once called Hood Politics X. which may we'll talk about that later but and One with my wife called the red couch and I yeah do random poetry for a living L. A. Native two daughters and a cat now frustratingly. Anyway I love cats. Yeah Yeah Yeah well you can have ours. Yeah do you WanNa she. Should I call you for this episode. Should you WANNA go by propaganda. Should I call you Jason I it's mostly it's been shortened to prop that's but okay consensus. Yeah all right all right So today we're gonNA talk about The Black Panthers and specifically the bastards who killed the Black Panthers Yeah and that's is going to involve a lot of talk about what the Black Panthers did what they believed Which I is one of a subject I find really fascinating And this was a frustrating episode right in part. Because there's so much that I had to leave out just because you know this is an eleven thousand words script only you only get in so much This this is going to be one. We have a number of episodes like this where like people will hit me up after the wedding you bring up this. Why didn't you bring up that? And it's like yeah that's one of the when you cover something as complex six as the panthers. You're you're going to leave stuff out just because we have about two hours two and a half but yeah you have some some family history. Well yes and I thought it might be good to go into that first year. Yes so my father was a member of the south. La I guess they call it South daily really now we call it south central Chapter of the Black Panther Party In the sixties or at the end of the six thousand six nine hundred sixty eight. My father was Vietnam Vietnam War Vet Essentially as a matter of fact. When we say we're going to do this I like I called him to make sure I had my story line right and fact straight on it get up here embarrass myself But yeah so. He essentially landed from Vietnam back in Los Angeles and almost made a beeline alike. Forty I in central enjoying the joined the Black Panther Party and Yes so he was a part of the sort of after school tutoring Par Program he also was was like basically they all took turns as far as like the which. I'm I'M WE'RE GONNA get to like the policing the streets so he was you know standing behind as like you know. Interactions is with the police. Were there because you know police. Brutality was such a big deal so he was a part of that He was at the UCLA event that got shot up. He was a yes in the he said it was the the span of time he was by the time that like FBI got involved so his office got bombed outings. Yeah so and at that point my my grandmother was like baby. You can't do more so she she kind of pulled the card on him but you know but yeah he's he stayed involved in Yes so I've been hearing bits and pieces of stories as he like unpack trauma. You know what I'm saying And I grew up without those stories in my life you know and paintings of African princesses in kings on our. Why had no Disney in my house at a Mark Martin and Malcolm in Marcus? Garvey like aligning our walls and Geronimo Pratt. And just had that in my house. Yeah no that's that's that's fascinating perspective to have had in a fascinating getting like way to learn about this for me like obviously it's like a white kid who grew up in a pretty mic suburb but a suburb. That didn't have a very a huge black population relation I learned almost nothing about the Black Panthers. I mean it gets a lot of our listeners are kind of in that boat. Where like there's about three things you know about them Obviously there were a black taxable rights organization. They did that thing where they put their fists in the air and some of them carried guns and there's pictures of them carry us and I think when I got out of high school. That's about all I knew about the Black Black Panthers right like there wasn't really anything else I was aware of. I think I caught the name. Huey P Newton for the first time in the lyrics of some hip hop songs and didn't really. We know who he was so for the longest time I had no real understanding about the organization and I think they kind of blended into the general wallpaper of the Civil Rights Movement for me Until I started reading about them specifically and I've come to the conclusion and I say this a lot that it's like a an unforgivable failing of our education occasion system that this isn't a bigger part of standard American history man absolutely and like I know you'll get into but the importance didn't I know my father did put on and the party put on of like knowing the Constitution knowing how Bill O.. Rights like I felt like I was so well versed in American civics because my father was a panther. You know what I'm saying. It was funny because I was like. I just didn't understand that every every house was like this because it was normal for me so when you bring up I'm like well you know fourteenth amendment say Yada Yada Yada seventh graders and kids are like what you know. It's just I just knew this. Because that's how that's what you learn as a panther like you need to know your rights man you know. Yeah Yeah it's critical. Yeah Yeah So so we've we've got. I think we've introduced this. Well enough. Start get into the episode at Not V. Beginning but I guess a beginning On February February seventeenth nineteen forty two huey. P Newton was born in Monroe Louisiana the youngest child of Walter in Armenia Newton's seven children. His Dad Walter was I would say pretty bad ass guy. he worked two jobs his entire life. He served as the Minister for the BETHEL Baptist Church in Monroe on Sundays and Walter Alter was very infamous in his community for not taking any shit from white folks and there's a story about him getting into an argument with one of his employers young White Guy who yells at him that he whips colored men for arguing with him and Walter shot back that nobody would basically nobody whips me unless they're a better man than me unless they go beat me up and this sky. This guy backs down proving that he was not Yeah basically if you want to whip me like you gotta you gotta be able to kick your ask like I want to try that. Yeah that win. Now in the nineteen forties in Louisiana saying that sort of thing could get you murdered as a black guy but Walter had a stringent engines somewhat unique ability to stand up to white folks in his community without being killed and Huey later theorized that this is because his dad was mixed race. His father's father He was GRANDPA was a white man who had raped his mother and walters neighbors knew his white family and didn't WANNA shed part white blood. This was hueys theory when his dad was able to do this There there is something to be said that like unless you're in like communities of color just how color ISM does like in a Lotta ways police how we treat each other and how we see yeah. They're so yes someone that's a little more fair skin. We would say they would say passing like he passes US onto no so like see things you can get away with you know at least in the psyche of a person of color like myself. WHO's not lie skin? Ah In nineteen forty five. When he was a toddler? The Newton family moved to Oakland California. Now Walter always managed to bring a very very stable income The family was still very poor but like they weren't ever sort of starving or anything like that Their most common meal was Kush. which is I guess? A fried corn bread dish which they often eight for every meal of the day He grew up watching his father. Work Eighty hour weeks and still constantly be stressed out over bills In this was a oh really had a big impact on him growing this kind of constant economic anxiety He didn't have an easy adolescence. School was difficult for him and he seems to have had. I think we probably probably would would have today have diagnosed with a learning disability because he was incredibly intelligent he just teachers had a difficulty reaching him is how I would. It seems like what was going on by the time he was in eleventh grade. He was still illiterate and his teachers assume that he was just not intelligent and this was obviously not the case because hobby outside of school was memorizing poetry with his brother but it was not until his high school counselor told him that he was too dumb for college that he weepy. Newton decided he had to prove them all wrong so for two straight years. He studied like a madman teaching himself to read and write and eventually to graduate. High School In nineteen fifty nine he enrolled at Merritt College where he joined the Afro American Association and became well known for his debate bates skills All thought that he might not be material fell out the window as he began a meteoric path of scholastic excellence and he would eventually receive a PhD So yeah this seems to me to be a clear case of a kid that maybe just had like his teachers didn't know how to reach like he was. He was brilliant Do you know it's funny. Because it's like I thought about the my credibility putting on danger here by you saying stuff that I didn't know jobs said and be like Oh wow didn't know that you know and it's already started. It does like I didn't know you couldn't read till you till eleventh grade. 'cause I've only known him as like you said this war tour. You know that was able to articulate the feelings and the sentiment of black American time as crazy. I didn't know that well I think one of the one of the reasons. It's important that from a very early age. He gets this lesson that like the system clearly failed him because he didn't know how to treat him properly and he had to build a system for himself to element himself And obviously like. I didn't know any of this until I read a couple of weeks ago. I read a book. A really good book called Black Against Empire by Joshua Bloom and Waldo Martin That's a really fascinating history of the Black Panther Party And I it's it's very readable. I would say compulsively readable. It's really good history And it's like one of the major sources of this episode. It's very comprehensive and detailed old and I didn't know almost any of this stuff read it. So yeah I a hugely recommend that. Yeah and I'M GONNA actually I'M GONNA. I'm GonNa read a quote from it now. Discussing what set Huey. Huey P Newton apart from his academic colleagues quote. He had aside that most of the budding intellectuals around him lacked he knew the street he could understand and relate to the plight of the swelling ranks ranks of unemployed the brothers on the block in his words who lived outside the Law Newton Street knowledge helped put him through college is he covered his bills through theft and fraud but when Newton was caught he he used his book knowledge to study the Law and defend himself in court impressing the jury and defeating several misdemeanor charges so so good I mean I'm I'm on board with this yeah consciousness that w voice talk about like you just your street knowledge and your book knowledge is like you got them both rock rock and he your unfavorable thing that you brought up earlier we're like it's so important in this is like something. The Panthers always emphasized under have an understanding of the law in your rights. It's yeah yeah in one thousand nine hundred eighty two. Sorry no no no no I was gonna say I firmly believe this like in like I say we we built an entire show around it that like especially when it comes to politics specifically geopolitics odd. This like my belief is like if you came from from any sort of like neighborhood environment all care if it's like rule Oklahoma or you know inner city Detroit if you come from a city city and you had to navigate you know tribes in a city you understand geopolitics you just using the language for it. You know what I'm saying so so so being able to use your own what we would call like hood. Antennas to figure out what's happening in you know dominant culture world like if you have a grasp on both of those dude You're undo undefeatable. Yeah that that does make like I think maybe one of the major issues we have diplomatically. Unlike the international channel stage is that number one so many diplomats guys like donated money rich kids who get yeah but like also nobody who I I do feel like somebody with that sort. St Experience would do a better job for example of doing diplomacy in a place like Baghdad. Because you just have a deeper understanding of like yeah kind of the interpersonal relationships unshipped necessary to make you if you had. You had to convince a bully to not give you a swirly if you went through that you know how to you come to a negotiation table. You know what I'm saying especially especially like if you're Baghdad. You know what I'm saying and the bully is you know the g eighty six. You know what I'm saying you know what I'm saying bullies America. He's like well. I know how to deal with bullies. So here here's here's how to handle this. I mean yeah it. Now in nineteen sixty two Newton met a guy named Bobby Seale protests opposing. The US blockade of Cuba. Now Bobby had been born in nineteen thirty six about five years before Huey and while he was the youngest of Seven Bobby was the oldest child of three. He'd grown up in Oakland where both mother and father worked Bobby's dad was profoundly abusive if and Bobby grew up kind of accepting that random. Violence from authority was irregular. Fact of life. which again would have you know? Be obviously influential in his worldview. Is he grew up now. Obviously when people go through that there's a number of different ways they react to it and I think bobby sort of dealt with it in the healthiest way you can And became sort of obsessed with fighting bullies wherever he found them At one point when he was a little kid he saw another child shoved his sister out of a swing. Bobby push that kid out of the swing and declared that now everyone hang hang on. The playground had a right to use the swing justice. Yeah so bobby. Joined the Air Force as a young man both to get out of the House and so so he could learn how to use firearms. He was given a dishonorable discharge three years. In when he hunted down a man who stole from him and beat that guy very badly with a pipe. So you can read the story. In Bobby's biography sees the time the story of the Black Panther Party which is available for Free Online. I'll have a link to it Personally I think the dude that he attacked had it coming Bobby bounced around for a long time. After this getting whatever jobs he could for a few months at a time before they found out about his dishonorable discharge by nineteen sixty two. He was down and out in California and he took refuge taken by all such men in that situation he became a stand up comedian. Sheesh I did notice about his backstory yeah don't judge later wrote he later. wrote this that year I worked as a comedian in two or three clubs around Oakland Glendon private parties. I think Comedians a hell of a lot. They know a lot of things that are oppressive in wrong. Yeah Yeah I like that. That attitude the Huey and Bobby Seale met at that protest against the blockade of Cuba and they were both members of the Afro American Association together. The leader of that group Donald Warden was a confusing zing man who really liked Castro but was also a major believer in the power of black capitalism to fix societal injustice. He was a bitter critic of mainstream civil rights organizations since Huey P Newton was initially enthralled by Donald's ideology but he grew frustrated win over the course of months it became clear that this like talk was basically all that he felt donald was good for he also critical of Donald's focus on black capitalism. which he didn't think would do a very good job of liberating black people from the whole that he felt capitalism had dug for them again hueys? This guy grown up with all this economic anxiety. He's not real capitalism. Dude I mean we're still debating this yeah you know in community and During this episode. I think we're going to discuss At length a group of people who were distinctly on the fringes of the civil rights movement often very critical of the men and women in kind of the mainstream civil rights movement who worked to alleviate American racism through more traditional legal means And I feel like we should pause right now to talk a little bit about what legally acceptably really working towards equality looked like in this period because I think we get a sanitize at least I think is a white kid. got a very sanitized version of the civil rights movement you got you got a nice. MLK Warm Okay. Yeah and socialist. Mlb Couch But even more to the point where we're going to talk about now what I think. I got a sanitized version of more than anything was the sanitized version of how white people reacted to. MLK Yeah And how people like LBJ reacted MLK. And so we're GONNA talk a little about now that now so then as now. Most black people in America voted Democrat But this should not lead people to believe that the Democratic Party at the time embraced black people as like equal comrades They were just moderately less racist than the Republicans and not always always moderately less racist than the Republicans. Some state democratic parties including the one in Mississippi band black people for membership members of that State's Democratic Party regularly we beat and even murdered black people who tried to register to vote so black mississippians develop their own party. The Mississippi Freedom Democratic Party which focused on registering black people vote wrote three of the parties. Activists were kidnapped tortured and murdered in nineteen sixty four. which is the year that the Civil Rights Act get signed into law by President Johnson so Johnson at the time was the man who signs the Civil Rights Act into law Played a what I would describe as a profoundly cynical in gross game of political brinksmanship with the Mississippi Freedom Democratic Party and he kind of yielded to the civil rights movement in a couple of areas but also tried to maintain the Democratic Party southern dominance by throwing bones to the racists in the Democratic Party and in doing so he was engaging in like a proud tradition that goes back to Franklin Delano Roosevelt during the Great Depression. FDR successfully won the black vote for the first time for did the Democratic Party by involving black people in the new deal and giving them access to social programs even appointing several Blackman as advisors but he kept Southern Racist Democrats on board by refusing to take any action against segregation so LBJ was kind of engaging at that point it was a decades old tradition within the Democratic Party Yeah Yeah and and again these are still the conversations were having you know to this day like. Ah We gave them a thought here like yeah. There's the idea of like I know you're only helping me because it's expedient for you right and then you have which you'll see in the in the Black Panther party to like these two to two sides of this coin of like the like. Yeah like the Marcus. Garvey's other world that are like they're never gonNA treat US fairly. We will never shake here. It's never gonNA work. Let's just sleeve right and then you have the other side that says like no like my grandparents my ancestors like built the built the dam nascent like what I'm saying that's our blood and soil like we we picked you know why you're superpower cause you ain't pay to workers you know what I'm saying so paso so it's like I'm just as much American as you are. Are you going. Clued me in your documents. You know what I'm saying so like that that two sides and then and then and then you and then it's like I remember the the pain and hurt in my. I am a my parents. Father 'em grandmothers is when I got so disillusioned early on I was just like hey you gonna go vote today and I was like. Oh No oh you know what I'm saying. I was sitting in his traffic. You know what I'm saying. I was like I don't even. I'll know you know what I'm saying. And just like how hard they fought just for me to have the right to do it. You know what I'm saying like me be like dog. I can't but yeah just that that like the how hard they fought for me to be able to do that. You know really gave me pause but it's still yet as saying frustration. Asian wears just like I just these people don't love us and we just will never know unless it's like expedient for them you know that if you pass a civil rights laws like Oh if you really like meat. Oh Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah and it's that's that's that's where LBJ finds himself in his. He's a guy who's racist and he's willing to Kowtow to racist he's also not so racist that he's unwilling to push for progress when he thinks it advantages him electoral pragmatic exam. That's a fair way to refer to Lyndon Baines Anes Johnson and I'm GonNa read a quote from black against empire again kind of describing how this all comes to a head at the Democratic Party State Convention in Jackson Mississippi in nineteen sixty four quote the MVP held a state convention in Jackson in early August selected sixty eight delegates to attend the upcoming Democratic National Convention in Atlantic City. New Jersey President Johnson was determined to maintain white southern support and work to undermine the MVP on August twelfth. Mississippi's Democratic governor. Paul B Johnson told the all white Dixie crat delegation in that President Johnson had personally promised him not to seat the DP. The president refused to discuss the DP with civil rights leaders and instructed. FBI Director Hoover to monitor the renegade party closely and provide regular updates on its activities to the White House. This is not going to be the last time we hear about she. So yeah basically the M. FDP's goal was to try and make enough noise at this assembly that the credentials committee would have to call a vote about whether to seat the delegation from the MVP at the convention that year and they called a number of people to testify before the committee including a woman named Fannie Lou Hamer Who is a black activist with the student? Nonviolent when Coordinating Committee now. She was fired from her job and beaten in jail by black prisoners who were being ordered by probably under the threat of death from white policemen to attacker so basically she gets thrown in jail for registering people to vote and the cops tell other people who are in prison or jail with like beat the shit out of this lady or I will deal with you and this is what a Fannie Lou Hamer says at the Jackson convention quote. The first Negro began to beat and I was beat until I was exhausted. After the first Negro was exhausted the State Highway patrolman ordered the Second Negro to take the blackjack the second Negro began to beat I began to scream and one white man got up and began into beat me on my head and tell me hush one my white man. My dress had worked up I he walked over and pulled my dress down. Pulled my dress backup all of this on account we wanted to register Mr to become first class citizens and if the Freedom Democratic Party is not seated now I question America. I just this onion of pain every time and more you dig out the happened. Yeah you know what's not not an onion of pain cheese most likely the other. That's about to be advertised. Save me from running yards random things usually. It's another pod Yup or the coke brothers or let's hope it's an oil refining its finer. 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Lean special edition smart bed during the January sale. Only at a sleep number store or sleepnumber dot com slash iheart. That's sleepnumber dot com slash IHEART sleepnumber number the official sleep and wellness partner of the NFL. We're back so we just talked about. We just talked about Fannie. Hamer and her her speech at the Mississippi Democratic Conference and it caused enough of an uproar and it gained enough national sympathy because it was televised that LBJ couldn't couldn't just completely ignore the MFDC. She gets up and kind of POSAD. People's human heartstrings. Like even people most people are pretty racist back then. They're not in human and something like that makes them feel terrible and so they're like yeah maybe we should seat this delegation which. LBJ feels. He can't do because again. He's trying to Kowtow to the racist contention to the Democratic Party. So He's put in this situation where he has to deal with them but he also is not willing to actually deal with them so instead he brings in his vice president. President history's greatest monster Hubert Humphrey and Hubert. Hebrews job is to deal with this problem. which is again? The problem is black people wanting to vote without murder. The problem is the constitution. Anyway on the problem is the constitution that pesky document so Humphry meets with the MVP delegation. And he tells them that they're not going to be seated but that the president is willing to compromise by letting what he called educated professionals from the group one of whom was white sit with the Mississippi delegation at the convention. Humphrey refused to let Mrs Hamer sit with the delegation saying the president will not allow that alliterate woman to speak from the floor of the convention. She so that's yeah. Yeah now the DP to their credit refuses to compromise but that wound up not mattering mattering because this was all a scheme in the first place while they were meeting with Humphrey Lbj had the party announced that the MVP had reached a compromise with the Democratic Party. The whole thing you've been double crossed so he'd put them in that meeting so they wouldn't know that this was going on and then by the time it was announced they have to either spoil the whole convention and the election which obviously matters to them because civil rights is on the docket or like. Just let him get away with this shit So LBJ kind of wins this round Yeah and it sucks but what happened there like the double cross in nineteen sixty four was really widespread knowledge particularly in the black community and infuriated. Many people people who felt the civil rights movement had mainly achieved cosmetic Victories Malcolm X. address these people when he said quote. Now you're facing a situation where young negroes was coming up. They don't WanNa hear that. Turn the other cheek stuff. No there's a new deal coming. There's new thinking coming in there's new strategy coming in. It'll be Molotov cocktails this month. hand-grenades that's next month and something else next month. It'll be ballots or it'll be bullets. It'll be liberty or it will be death the only difference about this kind of death. It'll be reciprocal Yup. Yeah yeah very famous speech very famous quote. Yeah a ballot and bullet speech man. Yeah resonates two-deep yeah it resonates donates and if we're you know they're like obviously the story of The the the white sort of people generally referred to as the founding fathers. Yeah yeah almost. All of them were deeply racist but there is still there. Is this one thing that's really interesting there's the similarity in sort of the language Anyone fighting for what they perceive as liberty tends to us because x's ballot or the bullet speech very similar Nathan Hale's liberty or death speech. Yes really the fascinating to me. Yeah that's a good catch man. You're young man so February Louis. Six nine hundred sixty five. We're going back to Bobby Seale and he'll be pinned down now. I just wanted to give that sort of context of what kind of how frustrating and futile it would have felt to try to do this. Legally respectively by the mainstream attitudes so February sixth nineteen sixty five was a very key day for Bobby Seale and he newton That is the day that Malcolm X. was assassinated by a member of the nation of Islam. This made bobby so angry that he grabbed a bunch of bricks from his mother's garden broke them in half and started tossing them at the cars of any white people who drove by. He vowed vowed to make himself into a mother. Fucking Malcolm X.. Millions of black folks across the country were incensed by Malcolm. X's death and six months after his assassination. The Watts neighborhood out of Los Angeles was host to something. That looks very close to a civil war. The watts riots and riot might even be an unfair term like legally. That's what they were declared. Yeah it was an uprising The most direct cause of this was the mass murder of black people by the LAPD sixty five. Black men had had been murdered by Los Angeles cops from January of nineteen sixty two July of nineteen sixty five an twenty seven cases. The victim was shot in the back. Only one of these murders orders was actually ruled an unjust homicide though and this was a case where two cops were literally playing cops and robbers with real guns and accidentally murdered a Newspaperman. Yeah so on. No no no I was GONNA say I. It's crazy like today's is one of those heavy days. I just left my migrate aunt's house like my grandma. My sister and she was just now right before. I got here talking about the watts riots and like stuff that she's never said we'll 'cause I never never really asked but like you know my my family's been in Los Angeles since the fifties you know what I mean so Y- When she was describing the moment of the the riots she started dropping? These other gyms. Like Hey you know in Jim crow originally from Texas then they moved here said the that. LAPD was like recruiting from like disgruntled like southern wants. Jim Crow ended. They were recruiting these disgruntled. Southern men men that were like frustrated about Jim Crow and wanted to do something about America so they were coming to be a part of law enforcement. So you fill compton watts. La with with these men. Who are mad that Jim crow over to powder keg you? Yeah it's GonNa Explode. Yeah it's going to explode And it does in in during the watts riots the most direct cause of the riot itself. The uprising itself was the traffic. stop of Marquette and Ronald Fry Both men were pulled over by a highway patrol cop and a crowd gathered while they argued with The crowd got very angry when the police started beating. Rena fry their mother with a Black Jack back when she came in to intervene. Start beating this middle aged woman with blackjacks. Basically like a big leather beat. Stick this this is the best way to describe it. Yeah so the watts riots deserving episode of their own for now. What's worth noting is that large numbers of the police would call them rioters? I would prefer to call them. Protesters fired on police helicopters with rifles. Huge numbers of guns were stolen. The police chief compared the violence to Vietnam and so oded black activists on the street who were interviewed by journalist at the time thirty four people most of whom were black. Were killed in the violence in mostly by police. Now all of this the failures failures of conventional politics to provide an effective remedy to racism. The death of Malcolm X.. And the watts riot. All of this helps spurred a massive surge in revolutionary black activism in the United States. It's in the mid nineteen sixties now Huey p Newton and Bobby Seale were already very politically radical When this happened and flirted over the years with a series of different groups including clued in one called the Revolutionary Action Movement Ram argued that black people were a colony Had basically been colonized by American white people and that the struggle for black liberation was part of the global struggle against colonialism which was then happening. You know we're in the post World War Two period all these different colonies around the world are starting to either. Hi there fight for their freedom or protest for it and hueys brother Melvin joined Ram but he was kind of frustrated by the fact that he felt healthy organization preferred posturing intellectual discussion to direct action. He became convinced that none of these ideological organizations could reach black people on the street. Who didn't have a thorough grounding running in political theory? Basically like what you're talking about I agree with but all you're doing this talking and you're talking about theory that's such an intellectual level that you're not able to reach people who who are just like you know living and working as a street level. That aren't academics And Bobby Seale actually joined Ram for awhile but he developed basically the same frustrations that Huey did with them and he wrote about it in his autobiography quote. I've got very frustrated with those cats. I didn't think they were going to do anything. And I became very discouraged about not being able to work with them. They had a Lotta Paranoid hangups and they began to accuse me of things. They had so many bullcrap suspicions. I couldn't deal with them and I broke loose from those cats. I got mad at them. One night and busted down their door. All of them hid behind their damn bets at that point I couldn't deal with him anymore because they wouldn't defend themselves even against one little old me there were four or five of them in the pad but they ran hiding. I just just in respect them anymore. I was thinking to myself later for these dudes. I'm going to find myself a righteous partner to righteously run with see this is terrible but I as right as that is as serious as this moment is. I only hear that in like my dad's friends voices man in house looking for some righteous. Do Yeah Man. He's cats they weren't even back to have loosen. Yeah Dan like dad would say he's like man. I just needed. Look I do run with be real bad like art. Yeah my dad's still like that catch on like what does that mean. Pop Be Selling Split Jack Like what does that mean dad bad anyway. The whole his whole autobiographies written that way. And this way I really enjoy it. Because it's not something I had much exposure to And I I enjoy that that sort of like the language he uses like it a lot. Yeah there's an just do most poetic cadence to it. Yes So the partner partner. That Bobby Seale wound up finding was Huey P Newton. Now the two had known each other for a while and they'd always gotten along but they drifted politically in slightly. Different activists circles But now after the watts riots decided to create a new organization together the Sole Students Advisory Council and they were the only people who created it but they were two of the founding members. Yeah now. They organize protests against the draft for black students because they felt like without being treated equally. They shouldn't be expected to fight for the country and and without consenting to in the same way and they also worked to half black studies courses added to Merritt College curriculum in this last one they were successful he we suggested the group should next get involved in fighting police brutality but before this project could really get off the ground. He and bobby wound up running straight into some police brutality of their own on Thursday Day march seventeenth nineteen sixty six at around nine pm. Bobby and Huey and their friend weasel were hanging out in Berkeley walking to the University of California campus. Bobby was reciting being an anti war poem. He liked uncle. Sammy call me full of Lucifer. They drew a small crowd to themselves. Who urged bobby recited more loudly in a police officer arrived right as is bobby saying out these lines? You school my naive heart to sing red white and Blue Stars and stripes songs. You school my heart to sing red white and Blue Stars and stripes songs into the pledge. Eternal allegiance to all things blue true blue eyed blonde blonde haired white chalk white skin with USA tattooed all over and the officer an off. Duty Cop named George Williamson tried to arrest Bobby for this. His justification was that bobby had been blocking the street. This caused a fistfight which brought in more cops. which led to both bobby and Huey being arrested so from poetry? y'All yeah so artists right right in poems. It's it's interesting like it says a lot about the power of poetry. This scares a cop enough that he has on his off hours to get the country gone. Yeah Yeah so next. According to the book Black Against Empire quote a a few weeks later Newton and seale saw policemen pushing around a black man for no apparent reason. The officer arrested the man and took him to the station following conference example Newton and Seale went to the station bailed out it using money from their organizations treasury. The brothers started to cry and it touched bobby deeply. Bobby was fed up with armchair intellectualize and wanted to stand up against the police recalling. I was filled with with a staunch belief of the need for Brotherhood revolution and rebellion against the racist system. So it was Huey who first suggested that the SAC member should arm themselves. elves with rifles and shotguns and host an armed rally for Malcolm X's birthday the guns were explicitly to honor Malcolm XS call black people to engage in armed self defense and Bobby Seale would write in his autobiography quote. He was running down. The law says every man has the right to arm himself by the Second Amendment of the Jive ass constitution itution of the United States. He says that we are going to exhaust that. Because in the end the man will say we don't have a second amendment of the Constitution. So Huey saying that like we should arm ourselves in protest because we have the right to do that but also they're going to strip us of our right to carry guns well history. Be Rhyming Dog. It was brilliant like I know the word is so it's such a pregnant word but just like the CO opting of language that you oh you same thing Frederick. Douglass did with his fourth of July speech of like a homey. You said you built this thing for liberty and freedom and I. This ain't my celebration. I don't know what you're talking about. You know what I'm saying that he was like these are your words. You said that film this started this nation because it is like okay. Now those your words you said all men are created equal. And they're right here. Every man has a right to bear arms. Yes would you say I mean what am I a Martian like I've right arms uh-huh yeah yeah. Yeah and he. We thought that the presence of firearms would also help to draw in the people. He called the brothers on the block. more but then you know waving protest signs and placards because a lot of those guys weren't involved with like different gangs and stuff and they understood guns in they weren't political theorize irs and he was like like this is something that I think I can get him on board with the other members of the SAC. Thought this was too risky. Bobby Seale was the only person who backed hueys plan So Oh he and Huey quit the SAC formed a new organization. The Black Panther Party for self defense in October of nineteen sixty six and during his studies. We had done research into the state of California's laws and he'd learned that it was actually legal for Californians to openly carry firearms in public. Even loaded ones provided those weapons were not pointed at anyone in a threatening manner. And it's interesting when you read modern stories about this but like mainstream news sources like the Chicago Tribune the always say it was a loophole in the law. It's not a loophole. Just legally the law the law. He didn't find a loophole. This is the law says the law. This is me in my hands up as if I'm holding an actual paper that's the law. Now this was not entirely hueys idea. He'd also read read about the actions of a group called the community alert patrol or cap over in the Watts neighborhood of Los Angeles after the uprising cap had been formed to watch police in black neighborhoods and caps APPs. Efforts were incredibly important. But they're activists were often victimized and abused by the LAPD and some of them had started talking about carrying guns during their patrols. So as the Black Panthers came together plan evolved. He decided that the panthers would organize armed patrols to follow police officers around and observe them. During traffic stops the new black panthers. We started doing justice in February of nineteen sixty seven. A group of them including Newton and Seale were stopped in a car loaded down with rifles and handguns. And I'm going to quote now from great article article in the Atlantic titled the Secret History of guns quote. One officer ask to see the guns Newton refused. I don't have to give you anything but my identification name and address S.. He insisted this too he had learned in law school. Who the hell do you think you are an officer responded? Who in the hell do you think you are? Newton replied indignantly. He told the officer that he and his friends. He's had a legal right to have their firearms. Dude got out of the car still holding his rifle. What are you going to do with that gun asked one of the policemen? What are you going to do with your gun? Newton applied by this time. The scene drawn a crowd of onlookers officer told the bystanders to move on but Newton shouted at them to stay California law he yelled gave civilians a right to observe a police officer making an arrest so long as they didn't interfere. Newton played it up for the crowd in a loud voice. He told the police officers. If you try to shoot at me or if you try to take this gun I'm going to shoot back at you swine. which is ball's on him? I wonder why on everybody's t shirts rapid to modify modify God damn right because it's like he's like straight up. I mean I love that. You're painting the picture of the totality of the cultural moment. A lot of times we see history is like these like single file line events that aren't like interact all living the same moment just like now. You know what I'm saying so we put all those moments together like nothing. I mean I grew up in. I'm I'm La an eight hundred ninety. s I'm like you don't talk to police like that job saying do you feel like we. Do you know the streets. We was a gang injunctions. Like you won't talk to police right. That type alike. Is My rights like this. This is amazing. I mean Ayatollah White Guy so I have a certain degree of police shield and I would be terrified of talking like yeah so fucking incredibly he bobby and their comrades were allowed to continue on without arrest just because they hadn't broken the law the theft everyone in the car and all of the onlookers who'd gathered to watch the altercation stunned as we're stood Yes talking about it today. It's it's just hard to imagine even in twenty twenty this happening without bloodshed. Yeah so the whole event made bobby. Bobby Seale decide that Huey P Newton was in his words the baddest motherfucker in the world. It convinced Huey of something important to the gun is where it's at an about and and in yes yeah so. This spreads through the community like wildfire and young men begin joining the Black Panthers. In droves their armed patrols of the the police become a regular thing and they have a lot of strict rules about this. You never supposed to be closer than ten feet to the officer of the person being stopped. You have law books on you at the time. You're quoting quoting directly from them like they're not just like like there to intimidate the police. They're there to give information on rights to the person being stopped Yeah and so yeah. Whenever a black person was stopped by the police observing panthers would both be an armed presence there and would be providing legal advice And as their notoriety spread so too did the black panthers all across the country and firearms worry. Central Facet of their identity from the beginning new recruits were taught. The gun is the only thing thing that will free us. The group purchased rifles by selling copies of Mao. Zedong's Little Red Book to students in Berkeley. Over the years. There are some grew to include machine guns as well as tens of thousands of rounds. Sounds of ammunition new recruits receive training on Black Nationalism Socialism. And how to clean handle in use firearms. It's also worth noting during this period that we talk doc in my audiobook the war on everyone We talk a bit about how. KKK groups white supremacist. Groups are easily able to buy and smuggle machine guns. This and other military grade weaponry from the army from like racists in the army at this point and the Black Panthers do the same thing from black people in the army. Yeah like. They're getting machine guns and weaponry directly. Say I probably wouldn't share this but I'm going to all truly your followers but like I just found this out on Thanksgiving that like my uncle. Charles rose was like doing that like he was like. He's like selling first of all he was like. He said he was selling like he was selling like engine parts in like Munich. When he was hit really dislike to civilians part I just like SELA SELA goes out of San Francisco Alkyl Charles I was like what he's I? Yeah he got I discharge. Because he was selling weapons. Sorry sorry to any listening statutes over. It's it's a situation where there's a lot going on here. But both the panthers in the K. K. K. not that there's any moral equivalency between the groups but they both suspect that a massive civil war is coming either. It's going to break out or the the bombs are going to fall in the wake of the nuclear apocalypse. There's going to be fighting between You know like racists non-racist your black and white depending on your perspective and so there's there's this belief that like. We are arming ourselves for a war of survival and considering there are thousands of heavily armed racist people like Louis Beam who were specifically talking talking about war waging award extermination against America's blacks like. That's not an unreasonable thing to win. Arm Yourself against. Yeah now yeah. That's the part that like I. I really wish people could could like understand like the tone in ir of the moment that this stuff is not imaginary like this is yeah with like elected officials as you know in certain states or just people like Amer just like no our plan is to wipe y'all out. Yeah do you have said Oh. You're not you're not like not like ambiguously Isley Racist Kind Nazi light you know what I'm saying it's like now we're trying to wipe out. Yeah Yeah and you. It's like this is something. The thing I come to a lot in the modern day was like you can keep your opinions on on gun control. there's a lot of different attitudes on that. I will listen to them but I I can tell you from experience talking to a lot of people in a lot of parts of the world win someone wants to exterminate you. There's nothing you'd rather have in your hand absolutely again. Like for like the invention of the modern day I say modern with quotes as a historian of CRIP and blood like the invention of the street gang specifically growing up in Los Angeles puts such a different taste in your mouth about guns. That's what I'm saying. So it's like you know so like it's hard for me to like you have my father to have nots. You're talking about your civil right man. He's people vinegar you know what I'm saying. He legged look. Look why do you get you say and then yeah and then you got the streets with. That's like if you pull a gun out. Then that means that like y'all. I'm not a civilian like so so if somebody stops you and it's like hey where are you from saying if I had a weapon on me. It's like Oh oh you signed up for his gang life but if you don't have one it's like man look. I'm a square wave basketball practice with that sort of juxtaposition. It's sometimes it's hard for myself to rain around it. You know what I'm saying but at the same time if knowing the context of these people are living in Syria Monzo. You know what I'm saying like he's people who live in these contexts like not. This is not an option and it is also. Yeah Yeah. It's also like the difference between just individual self defense in this idea which there's a lot of flaws behind a lot of the thinking that occurs in in the United States on this this subject. You can say statistically like actually. You're more likely to be harmed if you have a gun in the home. The difference between that individual self defense and collective self-defense. Yeah eh which is yeah good too deep a subject to really delve into very yes earlier while we're trying to into the pantyhose but you know what's not to deeper subject to Delvin through right now. We go what is the which increases. I'M GONNA do. I'm GONNA do their best setup. What is that Robert uh-huh product I under service which which I think we can explain in the context of this episode off we go? Here's the thing saving money with. GEICO is almost better than playing pickup basketball. Because there's always that guy WHO joins your game? He never passes the rock. He constantly bricks threes. And who completely hack you. And then put his hands up and say no foul no foul with GEICO. It's easy to switch and save on car insurance. No need to fake. An ankle sprain because you're absolutely exhausted so switch and save with Gyco Echo. It's almost better than sports. We're back all right so as we before before we had our little discretion about Community Self Defence. We were talking about The the the Black Panthers start their civilian patrols of the police armed patrols of the police which are very popular in very revolutionary? And of course. The man is embodied by the Republican Party. And the governor of the State of California. Reagan was not in any fucking way about to let alone Blackman exercise their right to bear arms and legally observe the police. I shouldn't say black men because they were black women involved at this point to do. The last year of the Black Panther Party was really the ladies because they locked up or killed us. Yeah so yeah yeah. Yeah so oh yeah like the the the the the White Republicans particularly WHO governed state although? It's not like the White Democrats in the state provided in the opposition to this Decide that action needs to be taken And the guy to do this was should heal named Don Mulford. What's your shit? He'll I love it. I gotTa tell you is another digression. I feel like I don't know nobody cusses. More poetically than black people are old black man. No way causes more poetic Wittig the him but the most creative in innovative things to call someone come out of the mouth of middle aged white men. They don't know anyone. That's buck tarred tell you shit stick like what ask given. Yeah Yeah Shaimaa see. That's what this is. Why intersection import us? In the best way to cuss multiculturalism not coach. Elizabeth really improves the use of obscenities. Yes critical yes so yeah Don Model Don Mulford Mulford offered was the community assemblyman for Oakland in April of nineteen sixty seven. He proposed the Mulford. ACT A bill that would strip Californians of their right to carry firearms in public. The M- offered act was a pure act of legal targeting against the Black Panthers. I'm going to quote again from that. Atlantic article what Republicans California eagerly supported increased gun. Control Governor Oregan told reporters that afternoon that he saw no reason. Why on the street? Today a citizen should be carrying loaded weapons. He called guns a ridiculous way to solve problems that have to be solved among people of goodwill will you read that's Republicans. Now tell that to a cop right so funny to me. I'm just like okay yacht. Yeah Yeah no not even thirty years ago thirty years ago three or four years ago you sand literally the opposite of what you're saying. Yeah yeah in a in a later. Press Conference Reagan's Reagan says He. He doesn't know of any sportsman who leaves home with a gun to go out into the field or two hundred for target shooting who carries that gun loaded and he says the Mulford Act should work no hardship upon on the honest citizen and of course the NRA completely backs the Mulford no problem with it at all all onboard. This appreciate that appreciate you take a second to appreciate that. Somebody dropped some like some like SPA music right now to appreciate Dan. I was for gun control to make sure you can't carry a loaded weapon to find your palm. I don't know I just thought like squad. You think you know what I'm talking about. That's the best part you exactly. It'll anyway. So Huey Huey furious about this. But he's not surprised as I read that quote from an earlier heat immediately predicted. This is going to happen once we start doing this carries out a protest He organizes a group of panthers armed to the Gills to go march on the Capital Building in Sacramento Twenty. Four men and six women showed up led by Bobby Abby seal they walked up the Capitol steps guns in hand and Bobby read a speech quote. The American people in general in the black people in particular must take careful note of the racist California legislature aimed at keeping black people disarmed and powerless. Black people have begged prayed petitioned demonstrated and everything else to get the racist power structure of America Right. The wrongs owns which had been perpetrated against black people. The time has come for black people to arm themselves against this terror before it is too late after this seal and the others went inside the building bearing loaded firearms the Capitol building. And they were allowed to do this because they were abiding by the law entirely in the day proceeded peacefully and before we move on. I think it's worth worth dedicating a little bit of time to how the mainstream media covered all this and the short of it is they were not fans of the panthers. Really The New York Times is coverage of the event which I can only read in my old timey white man voice. Let's go. I'm negroes protest gun bill. Sorry in response to that. Yeah I did find some credit to the New York Times a Modern Day New York Times article that quotes Jane Rhodes which is very like admitting like we fucked up and we're very unfair in our coverage and it quotes. Jane Rhodes Professor of African American Studies. Daddy's assaying the newspaper was dubious and skeptical of them. It also gave them a tremendous amount of coverage. The media like most of white America was deeply frightened by their aggressive and assertive style of protests. And they were offended by it and that October Two Thousand Sixteen Times article I found analyzing this by Giovanni Rosenello leans into acknowledging how unfair the coverage was and and he writes about the Times is first articles on the Black Panthers what the article did not explicitly say. Though it was reported later by others was at the panthers had read a statement that afternoon calling upon the American can people in general not just African Americans to help them in their push for rights the time since its own reporter a few days later to write a profile of Mr Newton. The party's young co-founder that article. Cool was no more measured than the first. It barely mentioned police brutality instead lavishing attention on the fact the panthers had weapons political power comes through the barrel of a gun. Newton was quoted as saying being so the journalists who cover this ignore police brutality. Nor that like there's a self defense of here. What do you expect us to do when we're being shot? Yeah that's one of our rights. Our nation's founded on the idea that that human beings can arm themselves in self defense. Yeah that's what we're doing. They ignore that if they're looking at these black men carrying guns. Oh God yeah so on July Twenty sixth the racist California legislature passed the Mulford Act with the NRA's in our as enthusiastic approval and governor. Ronald Reagan signed it into law so the Black Panthers were thwarted at least in the state of California from carrying out armed patrols any longer but the organization continued to grow spreading across the country and drawing in thousands upon thousands of members. And as the group grew Huey and Bobby and the other leaders expanded the sort of things the Black Panthers I did. It was not enough to just advocate armed protests in police patrols. They needed to mobilize their community in that. They felt meant helping their community. In the early years the Black Panthers developed a concept they called revolutionary intercommunal which something I really think the modern day left needs to kitted shit together. Oh my God if you it. PBS describes this as the strategy of building community service programs or survival programs programs meant to develop positive institutions within the community to help individuals meet their needs. The panthers developed over sixty such community programs now. These communities survival programs ranged changed from the People's Free Shoe and clothing program to the free plumbing and maintenance program to the free pest control program to the sickle cell. Anemia Research Foundation and the People's free ambulance service will the news breathlessly covered. The panthers armed marches in their confrontations with police. The ignored most of these other programs. One member later a guy named Roger Smith said this yes. You don't read about the survival programs we're doing for the people the Free Children's breakfast program trying to feed some of these hungry kids before they go to school in the morning the educational programs we had going on on for these kids for the older folks as well. You don't read about that. The Shoe giveaway the clothing giveaway the Cote giveaway. We had going on back east so these people don't freeze death during the winter months. The Free Prison Bussing Program Rebuffs People from the community out to the prison the penitentiary so that people can visit their loved ones who are incarcerated. You don't read about that. You don't read about the free ambulance service that we had going on in Winston Salem North Carolina our Alina because black people in Winston Salem Carolina were denied basic emergency healthcare. You don't read about that you don't read about the free sickle cell. Anemia testing program. We tested over five hundred thousand than half a million people before the US government ever realized that sickle cell. Anemia was a threat to the wellbeing of black people in America. You don't read about that. Why because there's no sensationalism awesome there no dramatic value? It doesn't sell newspapers. It doesn't boost the television ratings. It's just some black people getting organized to help some other black people. Yeah that's that's so that's the panthers I know. Yeah you know the like which I mentioned at the top of the show. That's what my father was. Part of the after school tutoring program so like I just know them as people have fed us in the morning. I mean obviously not US cause I wasn't around then but like fed kids in the morning warning help them with their homework after school and the attitude even to this day was like you can't look out Kelly for a handout from your oppressor like these people have gone help you. You know what I'm saying like. Why would you take the money? Why would you take services because they these take your press? There's no serious you have said so. Like that was always his attitude. He was like man. Find it on your own men don't don't the UK. Oh these people. I find it only take care of your own. That was always attitude. Yup Yeah that makes a ton of sense Motoko Lake Roku. There's there's a few hundred like leftover things where just generational speaking there's like we still have a generation like like gap. Like you know when when I started doing music full time like the label. I was a part of was like one of my best friends. And you know he's White Dude Right so my dad. I still had this like I like I like that boy but you know you you gotTa Watch them white men now seriously. Okay pop okay. I mean I get it with but like I'll be the reds high school. You know what I'm saying like I think we're good you know but but still he still has a little bit of that. I mean he's definitely not the same any was we still. Has that like how you know you. GotTa you gotTa Watch them saying not really take care of you know I mean. It's it's not unfair. Yeah not unreasonable. Considering like yeah the time and place yeah experiences he had And I think like you have to open the story of the Black Panthers by talking about armed self defense the guns because that is how it really started. I do think even even a lot of people on the left who admire particularly white people enough to admire the panthers. They focus a lot on that part because it is again the Mo- and not enough on what really is the most revolutionary part of the panthers. Which is the survival program? Yeah the the. I don't know if the book got into it that Orme we'll get to a later but just the actual like provable. Success rate you know what I mean like the yeah movable results like this actually worked you know what I mean. Blood testing half a million KOMO news lack people sickle cell. Anemia for the government. Realizes it's a problem for black like. Yeah that's huge. That's an enormous effort. Yeah that's like a state level effort. Yeah that is. It's all community volunteer driven. It's now by some accounts. The most influential of the survival programs was the free breakfast for Children Program While all students were guaranteed a free lunch was part of their public education in nineteen sixty seven the US government spent only six hundred thousand dollars a year on breakfast for students. The Black Panthers saw this whole the social safety net and realized it was harming black children more than any other group in the country and so they took action to fix this now the communities in which they provided free breakfast for children. We're not all instantly. Currently on board the Black Panthers were a Revolutionary Organization famous for Confronting Police with firearms. People like minister bridges of the Saint Augustine Church in Oakland were initially suspicious when the a group asked to start meeting a distributing breakfast there but gradually the panthers won them over in. The community rallied to provide them with donations of grits eggs toast and milk to feed hungry school children much. The food was donated by local businesses from a mix of altruism and fear of social reprisals by the Black Panthers. And I'm going to vote from Black Against Empire again at times the Panthers Cajoling Bowling Blended into harassment and strong arming far. More common. Where boycotts and pickets of businesses that refused to assist the programs equally common tactic of calling out publicly shaming those who refuse to help churches and other community based organizations that refused to help notably those who refused to sponsor or allow breakfast programs on their premises face similar treatment for starters the Panther newsletter and Panther representative presentative railed against the non supportive business person or community leader as a capitalist pig other epithets included religious hypocrites lying preachers and merchants and avaricious businessmen German Dang cancer dykes since yeah? I'm back tearing. I you know. It's I think that's perfectly quickly fair because the ultimate goal here is to get kids food. And you've got you've got plenty of extra food like why are these kids starving in the morning. Yeah and then you probably complaining about them. I'm saying yeah you know. Run A yo streets. It's like well they're hungry and you can. Yes that yeah. Yeah now. The Free Breakfast program itself was a mix of pure altruism truism poor kids needing good food and also clever propaganda. The program highlighted the fact that the richest nation on earth then waging a brutal inexpensive war in Vietnam could not provide Ada simple breakfast for all of its children the leadership of the panthers who suspected or outright hoped in some cases that they might one day wind up an armed revolutionary struggle with the. US government knew there. There was a tactical benefit in winning hearts and minds this way. One of them noted while we might not need their direct assistance in waging armed revolution. We were hedging our bets that if we did they would respond more or favorably to a group of people looking at their children's welfare. Yeah Yeah In November nineteen sixty nine the Black Panthers announced that their program had spread to twenty three cities and distributed free breakfast to more than twenty thousand children that number wound up. Being more like fifty thousand minimum the law took notice in Baltimore. Police called this program affront for Indoctrinating Children Panther propaganda. She responded has only law enforcement. Kim and I'm going to quote again from Black Against Empire. Police federal agents is regularly harassed and intimidated program participants supporters and party workers and sought to scare away donors and organizations that house the programs like churches and community centers Safa Bukhari's discover that participation in one of the Harlem free breakfast programs fell off after the police spread a false rumor among black parents that the children were being fed poisoned food. Disinformation campaign pain in Richmond. California suggested the party used free breakfast for Children Program to spread racism and foment school riots student. Participation began to decline forcing local panther leaders to to combat the official disinformation. The police were not above rating breakfast program locations. Even while the children were eating in the Baltimore Panther Branch was comparatively small but as Judson L. Jeffries demonstrates the branch endured excessive amount of violent repression. And not even children were spared harassment by the police one morning. The Baltimore police disrupted the children's breakfast barging menacingly. Interestingly onto the premise a witness recalled they walked around with their guns drawn and looked real mean. The children felt terrorized by the police. The police were like gangsters and thugs. Day Yeah just getting breakfast. Homey just trying to feed his brush. I A- breakfast. Yeah while now of conventionally. The state decided that the danger of this propaganda of the deed as I think Kuhnen would've called. It was so great that the only reasonable response was to start providing American children with free breakfasts by Nineteen seventy-two the US government free. Breakfast program had reached more than one. Point eight million children. The massive upswing funding for this program proceeded directly reckless from Panther activism. Norma to make a former Panther said this in an interview with eater dot com. I really do believe that. The government expanded their program. Because of the work we were doing. I don't don't think the government wanted to be outdone by a community based organization especially the panthers. I really think we were very instrumental in school. Food Programming Joe. I'm positive positive. That's what happened. Yeah Hey man what do we as like. Hey guys or these these the poor three fifths of a human people out humanizing us like what are we doing. And it's it's remarkable the amount of fear that was generated by the Panther Breakfast program and in some cases it was more than the fear. They had as result of the armed confrontations by the pants. Yeah evidence of this put an ideas in their brains and getting ideas and the all skull. They don't need the government at all in San else. We should've never gave him no money. sorry on May Twenty Seventh Nineteen Sixty Nine J. Edgar Hoover director of the FBI and gigantic piece of Shit and wrote this memo one of our primary aims in counterintelligence as it concerns the Black Panther Party is to keep this group isolated from the moderate black and white community which may support it. This is most emphatically pointed out in their breakfast for Children Program where they're actively soliciting and receiving support from uninformed whites and moderate blacks. So yeah as crazy. I like. They immediately assume they're uninformed yeah it's like. Oh you must not know what they're doing. I know what they're doing. They're they're feeding our kids. The kids being kids. Will you know they're socialist. Will Socialist mean means. Socialism means. My Kid doesn't start. Maybe like socialism thing. I can't pay for this. y'All not helping me get it. Yeah so you caught him whatever they want. Whatever whatever you own breakfast my children yeah but you know it? It says a lot about the state of the government what about the nature of capitalism about the nature of law enforcement that the free breakfast program was one of the things that scared the FBI director the most yeah and in part heart to we're going to talk about J Edgar Hoover's plan in the nationwide law enforcement campaign to take down the Black Panthers for you guys nice to learn this stuff. Yeah so this is a behind the behind the bastards episode. We're not talking mostly about bastards in this one but you need the setup to really understand how shitty the bastards are car yeah love it so prop yes in the end of part one you WANNA drop a couple of plugs at the end and we will sail out until Thursday. Oh my God bad yeah so. Website is prop hip hop which is also all of my sort of social media handles proper pop That's for tour dates. Waits for my own podcast again. Call politics believe politics is just gang banging in Nice suits so we just kinda like explain your headlines. Justin gang terms terms to help you understand what's going on and Yeah and yeah just hit me on the website and in the SOC meets prophet up yet and I'm sure folks who are listening who are really knowledgeable of the panthers notice. There's some crucial stuff. We left out from this period We we haven't talked about Some important figures we haven't talked about like the ten point program program. We're going to get to a lot of that in part to. It's kind of impossible to like. Do this all chronologically. I just kind of had to set it up the way I was prepared to before you ask House prepared to have like mercy for you because it's such a big thing you know what I'm saying and it's like I'm pretty sure there's other episodes where there were other people that are like grossly well familiar with like whatever you WanNa talk about it. I didn't know about you know what I'm saying. So like like like the art Kelly episode. I was like grow up on Ninety Zombie. You're not going to know some not cut things is that I know anyway so I was prepared to give you a so. I'm telling I'll listen to cut some slack. Dag like you're saying Kay cover everything thicke. Yeah and we'll we'll get to. I think a lot of it In part to You know as much as possible. Eleven thousand words and two hours and change aged yes sir but That's going to be on Thursday You can find all the sources for this a behind the bastards dot com. 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[111] Carolina Panthers coaches film review

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[111] Carolina Panthers coaches film review

"Every year in the NFL it's a new team as far as goals go. We have one putting the fucker offender welcome to the buccaneers observer podcast. This is Rob Phillips. I'm Ali Bay. Today is September nineteenth two thousand nineteen we you got a game Sunday against the New York giants at Four O. Five PM week three in the NFL season count you gotTa stop that Chicago Barkley Getting New Rookie quarterback to feast on and spend sell long since we had a new game. Yes it has been seems like forever. It's almost like the a preseason or like oh by league committee by week. We've got the Tennessee Titans in jags plan tonight which initially I was like. I don't WanNa Watch that Josh but then I realized that we play both these teams this year and we'll see humphries see how he's doing. He's not doing so. He hasn't gotten any he passes thrown his way. Let me look up the stats real quick on that yes in week one against Cleveland he had five yards receiving and then against Indianapolis in week two. Oh he had to targets he caught both of them but gained negative one yard so he's been a complete non factor for Tennessee. What's record one one one yeah they'd lost Indianapolis Seventeen Nineteen. They beat the browns forty three to thirteen us so I gets you doesn't have the chemistry with markets allegheny heaven. Jameis Winston does not something well. It's GonNa be interesting to see how they're using him night. I've got Jacksonville's new new quarterback Sanca Porn Star Gardner minhsiu. Maybe that's why I like him and got. Dj Chart and my FLEX WCHS so this'll be interesting all new it is a bold move is an off year for me. Ralph's tired of winning at CNN seeing so he's trying to give the rest of us is not like if I win and he was going to quit so I think that we should just swap teams and then no one on now you control mine team. Control your team. We'll no no now because one hundred dollars. You just put it all out there. All right got the video review done of the Carolina Panthers game the video will it'll be up by the time you listen to this podcast. I wanted to have it out by like Sunday. I thought that because it was a Thursday night game they would have the all twenty two coaches film out by Saturday Saturday or so he didn't so it kind of screwed up my week and finally got it done today when they actually got it out later than they normally do and then they didn't have all the clips it was they were missing. A lot of the Carolina Panthers offensive plays so that caused a pileup anyhow it'll be out by the time he listens podcast. Go check it out on Book News Observer done. Her buccaneers observer on Youtube but with the data saying that I'm so proud of your videos I love them and I'm glad that you're putting in and out there because you've always show the games like this but then you're putting it out there for the world to see how you want to football game trying to get back the unique perspective one football. We'll thank you yeah like like I say the start of all those videos to me. It's not XS XS and os as as much as it is the Jimmy's and Joe's I like to watch the little things the guys fighting tripping falling mustard glaze heck. I would like to see who celebrates together to me. I think those are more important than the actual XS and Os. It's one of the problems I have with the game by sports. Madden it boiled the football football down to a lot of people think it's all scheme and it's also another problem. I have with fantasy football too because it's gotten fan bases to think that you can just take a a player that scores this many touchdown say wide receiver escorts as many touchdowns plug them into your team and he's GonNa score that many touchdowns. It's just not how it works. I mean we're all human players awesome team or human. There's got to be dynamics between the guys. We don't like somebody else going to mess up the whole team Bubba. This is a lot there. I think the human element limit is such an overlooked aspect of football. I believe a really do so. It's like when Ba came in and he's talking about changing the culture. He didn't say we all did but that's kind of what we're talking about hand. If you could see it you could see it in these first two games. These guys is are wanting to make plays. Everybody on the field is trying to make a play. There's no loafing. There's everybody's playing through the whistle their physical. It's totally different than anything anything. We've seen what data in the with the buccaneers since two thousand twelve two thousand thirteen those were the only two years I can think of where we had a physical team and guys has played hard through the whistle so he has changed the culture already one of the problems we had with Donovan Smith since he's been with the buccaneers is the fact looks too much and he doesn't play to the whistle but I can say this in these past two weeks. Donald Smith done neither of those. He's played to his contract which just south phenomenal because during the preseason we were complaining even more than usual about him because we were scared that we gave him all that money and he was just going to base as we give off but he hasn't. He's played very well. I think you know we've gone up against two pretty good defenses defensive lines and contain them it done well. I mean you know of course Dom Kevin Smith has made his four paws but all players are going to but he has more than he does band plays and that's what's important and also it's important context wind does in the band plays. Did you notice that play always talking about the other day where he actually finished blocking his guy and then didn't have anybody to block around. Iran look yes. They're all doing that everybody on the offensive line. I've appointed out in the video. You could see their swivelling their heads around looking to see if anybody else needs help and Donald Smith is playing through the whistle. He's not loaf and I haven't seen any loaf yet. That's amazing. That's that's actually incredible because I haven't so he's been here. I haven't seen a game where he didn't have at least what five six loafing plays yeah where he's taken off. He hasn't any he's played really good. The whole offensive of line is playing well. I like them all and in this game boy Jansen was obese man. He was just he was fight with everybody on the field. After the play he was pushing people around getting in their faces. I pointed out a couple of instances on the video with all twenty two coaches will you cut it off after the play is done sometimes you can see when they start getting in each other's faces and pushing it and everything coming from the AFC are they in the north. He was on Baltimore and they have such such an intense division rivalry with the steelers so that's kind of how he came up in the League and then he comes here so maybe it's just an automatic for him taff. Take US division games really seriously might be He's no Logan Mankins now. Mankins was the kind of guy that if if you were within arm's reach of him he was knocking you down. It didn't matter if it was after the whistle before the whistle or whatever he just he'd liked his personal space the he was fun to watch. I like to watch and make him being like that. In public like at the grocery store or taking to the Library of the the movie theater kid back the biggest guy who I think made a difference or you of course you gotTa Give Gilbert the Gameboy which he got it. I mean he played outstanding those three sacks that he got were nothing compared to all the other place he made he was just really really playing well top-notch football and he earned the NFC. I've seen defensive player of the week last week for that performance which was well-deserved oil deserved well-deserved and it wasn't just because Williams sixty on the panthers year a lot of the Panthers Panther fans or Saint Paul Williams suck now it was killed Barrett because he did it across the line when he got up on the left side or the right up against the right tackle US beaten that got to and there's quite a few who plays where you know he was in Cam Newton's phase one time he got a spin move on Williams had a straight shot Cam Newton he was going to destroy Cam Newton and Williams's reached out unhealthy ended up getting flagged for but he had to because it was gonNA destroy came there so Shaquille Barrett played very well but what the unsung hero was whitehead. I just love how men have fallen in love with this guy every game he is. He's tough. He's hard hittin. He's he's in position all the time. He makes the right choices and he's around that ball every single play and he plays safety but he's never he's not a DJ. He's usually up in the box walks. They having play in that. Would they call Buchanan money knacker. He's like a money backer. Now I mean he's made a couple of bad place but generally he's just on on point. He hit McCaffrey in the head so hard one time. I don't know how they flagged out of the penalty but the referees are idiots they had held. McCaffrey was being tackled. This is in the videos well. The McCaffrey was being tackled and whitehead comes running. He's about fifteen yards away. He comes running full speed while McCaffrey's being held up up and just hits McCaffrey so hard you could see. I mean I'm filming this at thirty frames per second and in one frame. McCaffrey's head is over here in the next frame. It's like two feet over and he just he hits McCaffrey so hard and that was a big key to the game was we were extremely physical and we beat the crap out of McCaffrey. I mean we every play. We had somebody on him. Beating the mess out of cleaning beat Alabama either time yes put his weight on him a lot in not not title. Hill Nacho did it so Nacho was in there and he got a chance to get a hold of McCaffrey. They were mall in that guy and it worked that last play the game normally late. McCaffrey would've made that but I think he was so beat up and scared that he he was like Oscar this. I'm going out of bounds so yeah gotta give Whitehead Props. He has played great past two games James. He's really been a unsung hero on our team. I think soon Adama Congress Su he he played. I mean pointed out some place in the video where he had some good moves. That's not good stuff. He got a few pressures but there was a lot of him. Get one on one kind of pushed around. I don't know if he was sick or whatever but he would just did not look like the Sui Louis normally looks like which was surprising to me because I thought this was going to be a sous versus McCoy game where both of them were going to prove their worth. You know try to beat the other guy stat stat wise or whatever it just didn't seem that interesting. He did play Babai Amy and just got us this show that McCoy cares about sue more than sue cares toying good point think about that was probably like yeah. I'm just GonNa let him have his moment which he did not get what good did not get a point out a couple of plays here for play the game cap of toss. McCoy till the ground and then capital in McCoy win at it just about the whole game I think McCoy was wave seventy two percent of the defensive snaps so he was into quite a bit. He exclusively went up against kappa. He thought he was going to be able to be kappa because because you know cap is the new guidelines now didn't happen happen one time where he be kappa and you know it was basically. McCoy's speed I. I'm not sure if McCoy the whole line was crashing right eight and it looked like Capela started to and then he realized McCloy was going to be able to get in between everybody so he tried to get McCoy wasn't able to do it but of course McCoy gets in the backfield Mrs tackle typical typical yes but that happened a couple times. I pointed that out in the video to record missed tackles in the backfield. He's just not a good tackler but then one time time Allie more pet went up against McCoy and it wasn't because choice McCoy lined up. That's not tacklers straight over the center in everybody shifted went right right and McCoy had to go up against Moore pen. He wishes he didn't because Marquette Pancakey top of like see because because that was a big thing when we first got mar- bed everybody's talking about in training camp how Marquette just abused McCoy McCoy avoided more pet all night long. He wanted to go up against Kappa Kappa Napa man handling all night long especially considering that you know McCoy is supposed to be an elite defensive tackle to let a basically a first year starter. You'll get the best of y'all all game. I have to say kappa won that match up it was interesting though when you got a chance to take on McCoy he did two main I mean he just stood him up splendid around throwing right to the ground laid on top but Jensen was shoving everybody you know McCoy got all pissy and got that flag lag because Jensen was pushing jets was doing that to everybody after almost every play and like I said the last podcast for five or six plays right after that incidents sits with Gerald McCoy where he got flag gave us a firsthand fifteen yards on our game winning drop he Jensen right after that it was like five or six plays in a row where where he got in a tussle with Carolina Panthers fans or PA- Carolina Panther players after the whistle where he he was just chopping. Him Put his hand out pushing now great. I pointed out some good some good meanness on both of our offense defensive lines in the video and back all said challenged the offensive line to be the mean s unit on the team so maybe they're shaping up to be that way. Although I gotta say they've got a high bar that defense. Those guys are mean even bull. Allah was getting into it. He was throwing out of the room. I like there was one that sue grabs a pratice sixty one the Carolina Panthers free agent signing their new center center. Yeah he just got beat okay but to grabs a Pereira's blocks him in a play goes to the other side of the field and so soon predecessor locked up up and sues looking downfield not even paying attention to sixty one sixty. One Sixty one's blocking everything a suit. Graham tow just tosses him to the ground like he's a the bag of potatoes a love that so yeah. Donald Smith been playing well no loafing. He's been keeping his head on a swivel. If anybody needs help he's going over and helping yeah I mean he's pushing guys out of the way our broad game is our run. Blocking is spectacular. It's a really really good. I mean these guys are not getting hit in the backfield at all at all. I mean are running. Back are getting to the line of scrimmage and there's generally a pretty big hole if you notice mar running backs are getting stopped by the linebackers. That's a good sign Gerald coin beat. OJ Howard on a block and tackle the I think goes peyton Barbara for a loss that was right now. Okay might have been Roja tackling. that was about one of the only ones where are running backs were getting hit behind the line of scrimmage and that was just stupid. Why would you put. OJ Howard on Jerem Coyne. I'm GONNA say this. OJ How're is not very good blocker Kurt. He's had a few good blocks any hand block on the game on the game winning touchdown Bob Barber but generally don't have man. He's got to step up his blocking doc in skills he I would say he's the blocker on the t really and then you know Donald Smith is playing through the whistle loafing plan to the whistle which is what being you talked about they they need to do in. We talked about last podcast video. Put out that you know James Winston you happy feet. He's not reading the field. He didn't have that this game. He had eh one instance where he got happy feet you could say to it was really interesting. In the one one instance he got happy feeding started running. You could see him realize what he was doing and he stopped and we sat planted his feet in the pocket getting ready to run out of the pocket really fascinate. You could see something clicked anybody would know. I'm doing this thing that I shouldn't be doing. He ended up getting and sack but it was good sack. It was one of the sax where you need to try to do some stupid and then he had another play later. I think it was in the fourth quarter where he started running around when he shouldn't having again. Both sects were his fault but I think I remember one of those inside. That's exactly where you yes. I think he was really close to the end zone own. I can't remember specifically but it takes sex that he had made a really dumb decision there well on the one play. This is in the videos well the one place he got the happy feet any realize oh. I need to stop doing this set his feet in the pocket he had both Mike Evans and Chris Cowan Wide Open down the field to Mike Evans win would have been a touchdown. That's down. There was one where he threw his hand up. He was gone. He'd beat his guy. He was but Winston get a chance to throw it to him because he get sack. I mean he at the time. I don't know why didn't do it. Curse Curse Godwin was open from GEICO did seal but other than that Winston played very well. I mean there wasn't a whole lot of him. Not Seeing open receivers down the field. They didn't get happy feet a lot so you know Kudos to help to. I've been saying this for a long time that I think his vision van. Some on twitter broke adrift of him like squinting at stuff. You never know maybe he needs to get those shields. The prescription started wearing last year. I I think you did well when he was wearing yeah. Is he still somebody in the comments that he got contacts in two thousand seventeen or something like that there was a girl in my high school who were contacts and she played soccer and got hit in the head with a ball and the contact lens went to the backer. I eyeball me yeah so I I can't imagine that it might have been totally freak accident and she had to wear the big goals for the rest of the year when she played but but it doesn't seem like if that's going to happen in soccer I can't imagine what it happen and football. I've seen a few blaze where guys have gotten hit in their context takes. Komal leave the game. You'll see him looking around the ground and then eventually they just all this stupid okay partly or they. They'll be on the sideline squirting stuff in there. I try to I had it another story time. I used to wear contacts and I had it kind of suctioned at the top of my wall. I just lost the contact that I couldn't find eh event like thirty minutes later slid down my eye and I was like oh I can see again. Thankfully I've never had to wear contacts. I did wear contacts went to dragon con convention down in Atlanta in a these contacts that were like made your is completely wider. I can't remember or maybe they thought they were going to dark. Put those in and that was tough. I actually looking really tore of that. Night fell asleep with a win the next day. I was like what is in my eyes so yeah. They're ready to wear context thankful for that. molly ended up getting lacy doesn't have to wear contacts anymore now that was interesting at Lasix Surgery Center and Watan good grief. I thought it was just you know they shoot a laser in there. The dog cut your eyeball. I can watch it and they gave us a flash drive with the surgery on it and I was like no never watching that one the largest burn this now. They had a lady there with video care where videoing in narrating explaining everything that's going on is really cool so everybody's playing well. On. Every one definitely looks like they're trying to make a play. They want to make a play. There was one. I think it was hargreaves. There was slant going and Hargreaves got beat all day on this lanes. It's something we're going to work on but I I think I want to say it was hargreaves but he he dove for the ball to try and knock it down or that goes one of the ones for eighty eight. Olson in he dove and missed it and also ended up picking up yardage plays like that. I'm like I will never get upset about that. You know he tried Friday dove for it. It's the ones where they're not even trying that are infuriating yeah where they got their head turned around and looking at the catches the ball the jump at his feet and he just runs and they love contact her head towards a blocker speaking of that there was one play. I pointed this out in the video would would Labonte David with one of the reasons why I love David because he used to be excellent at getting awful blocks he was able to unblock for first couple years as what made him in elite linebacker her in there is one play the right tackle pulls and he comes over to the left and is delete blocker for McCaffrey well. He just happens happens to pull where LEVANTE DAVID IS COMING UP L. Avantis David toxic shoulder benzes legs puts his shoulder into that guy. I know that got all the breath had to have gone out of him and he almost lifts him off his feet and then gets a piece of McCaffrey as he runs runs by it was great. I mean here. It is a big three hundred pound right tackle trying to block Levante. David wasn't having good to see Levante David back to his old for him but it's good to see you everybody wanting to make plays. Nobody's loafing or acting like they don't want to be out there out. They don't like they're scared. Tackle it. We've seen that a lot over the past years. We ain't got none of that now. He's gotten swimmer the ball they're trying to tackle especially that white him feel sorry for everybody's got the ballroom yeah. You sent me that stat today where the bucks are wet second burst from mistake all right we have the few as second best second fewest. Biz tackles in the League and the Patriots are number one at like two percent we had what eight or nine percent of the worst West Tennessee Titans with like twenty four twenty six percent. That's horrible. Every four tackles are going to be missed tackles tonight what they do have to say. This was a close game. We were dominant. We did dominate that game the we we had the lead the whole game never gave up the lead. I think they did tied at one. Point can't remember but we did dominate it. Came did throw over three hundred yards on us. Basically the altuve Greg. We did shutdown McCaffrey which was the key to winning the game but it was a close game. They came down. It was two yards away from them. Winning that game. We cannot go into these games expecting to have a quarterback like Cam Newton who just can't throw the ball. You know we get like Garoppolo who was pretty accurate. We're going to have a tough time. We gotta give me a little bit better on our coverage. Just a little bit better. I mean he's playing great. The right Terry not seen too many guys wide open whenever down then you do and it's usually because of bus to play but we're not gonna be able to depend on inaccurate quarterbacks like Cam Newton Cam Newton would have been accurate. They probably would have won that game so we can't depend on them and if you notice both games these quarterbacks are getting the ball out before three seconds normally right around two seconds. I was doing the time the throws with Cam Newton and then he was getting a ball out in one point seven seconds which is not not not at all which is why he threw what fifty fifteen uncatchable passes through forty. I mean fifty at all times completed half of them a lot of those were because we were hitting him as he was thrown own or we were in his face a lot of so. Maybe that's why our coverage isn't as great game plan focuses more on getting to the quarterback quickly so maybe he you won't have that time to throw well. It's encouraging to main coverage. You'RE GONNA get receivers are GonNa beat the guys. It's just up to the quarterback able to see it and get it to them. Fast enough and slants chance are always tough for man coverage of where it had to do something with our linebackers erred defensive ends they they did drop vita in the coverage average. This is the weirdest player yes against. You'll never guess who they dropped him in coverage sled. I was like Oh that could have been a disaster well as a result of the play play fake camp through like a twenty yard pass. It was a messed up. I don't know if it was busting coverage. Whatever but we ended up having three linebackers all within a five yard radius of each other a to open receivers. That's the party was in but we're gonNA have to do something for those slants. Don't figure something out. The slants really really worked us but the quarterback are going to have to get the ball out. I said this last year said it during the season saying it now quarterbacks cannot hold the ball for more than three seconds against us that meet in the middle the middle. I mean ensue. Push that pocket back. I mean not necessarily fast but they push that Baga back. It's going to get to the U. In three seconds and then he got shocked. They're coming around the end. NASA and usually a linebacker or somebody does screaming in on a blitz. The quarterbacks are going to have to be with us and we're not gonNA be able to count on. It'll be an inaccurate came new. I think Matt Ryan is going to have a difficult time because Matt Ryan to step up in the pocket. Kinda a guy. He's not going to have step by step up in the pocket with US and has offensive line is trash. They had to put rookies. They've had I think two guys are out yeah their offense line or we're at a feast on ill but one of the things up problems I had with McCoy was never pushed the pocket. Ford and that's what defensive tackles are supposed to do. They're supposed to push pocket pocket forward. Keep the quarterback from being able to step up and throw the past sue. They are excellent in that pocket. Immediately starts to collapse Suzanne IOS AT BALL's snapped and you've got less than three seconds to get that out of your hand and usually after a second half there is no stepping up because at pocket has moved back already so so it's GonNa be interesting. It's going to be very interesting. We do not have any idea what does quarterback in New York like how he's GonNa play what they're gonNA do with them. I think we're going to get a whole crap tonnage punish com Barkley with him. We're going to have to be able to tackle very well. It's usually GONNA take couple guys but I'm not worried about it. We're tackling good strange thing pro football focus which you know if you listen to us we do not agree with them. We don't like the way they rate. I think they're they're more of a marketing company than they are. A actual statistics they rated Vida as the highest player on our defense. I think they had him in the top three across the league this year or last week. I don't know where they got. Missiles missiles probably one of his worst performing games. I mean he did play bad by any means but not not as dominant as normally is and they didn't even have shack bear on the list. They didn't even pro football. Focus had a list of all the top defensive players for the buccaneers with their grades and they didn't even have Shaq Barrett on there. That was insane. That's it just goes to show these guys do not watch film and all I mean did not have a bad game but he just had a gay man of course he you know he had his great plays. He always gets good plays laser. They're good pressures pushing the pocket and all that but he didn't have that dominance he normally does where he just tossing is around which is funny saying that that's how that's how high the bar is for me. I mean he had a good tackles. He pushed the pocket back. He was in Cam. Newton's face a lot but that's just not enough for me I'm normally I mean. Normally he's taken all double teams thrown guys off thrown around hitting the running back so hard their mouthpieces uses come out so that's how high bar is. I guess I guess if you've never really watched survey and you watch this game. You would be well. He's pretty good but it's not the compared to how he normally replace. That's all we know. PFM They gave him like really high grades like seventy eight or something and they're like he was the best performing defensive player on our team. I was like what just goes to show they'd never for watch and stuff like they pulled out of a hat. The Shaquille bear was the best defensive player on the team with Whitehead coming in a close second how they missed that I don't know why did I think was on there and then they also had Carlton Davis on there really who called Davis but if you have a pro football focus subscription save your money give it to charity something that does some good because I think is complete garbage. I'm glad they're around because I give them something to talk about. I do believe they work hard. They tried to do a good job. I guess but they don't watch the game film all twenty two. They admit they admit as much. The only time they do that is if there's a huge controversy between scores but yeah they just watched the broadcast version and you can't even see the secondary or what the receiver to do. That's how you get so much more watching the coaches film than you do. The broadcast version and this is another game. This was just like week. One where what we saw the broadcast version in the the impressions we got from that game. We're basically the same as what you saw on all twenty two very strange. I've never had this happen especially really to two games in a row yeah with cut our last season. It just seemed like every game we were disappointed and then when you watch the coaches Salman it wasn't as bad as we thought for Donald Smith because usually worse than we thought yeah with with Norman with games when you watch them you see the broadcast version and the other long games three hours three three and a half hours in a lot of times you forget what happened in the first quarter first half and you generally only have a fuzzy ideals of what going on but you make a conclusion and you say say all we won the game because this isn't that nece nap but then when you watch the coach let me see all kinds of stuff happening all over the field that you didn't see on the broadcast version or that you forgot whenever whenever we really one because of this or we lost because of this and you know this guy played horrible. I didn't even know he was on the field during the broadcast version Baba's so kinds of stuff that goes on but with this the two best two weeks what we've seen on the broadcast version of the conclusion. We've come to have basically matched up with what we've seen on the coach's room. Although I've got to say offense of line has been we worried about me so weird because it's like night and day on the preseason the preseason there were some serious concerns and maybe it was just the depth that we saw no one really looks good on offense and wines starters in. They're doing a pretty much everything we said we wanted to do. There's not a lot of movement on the front. You know they're doing a lot of zone. Blocking the run blocking is really really good. They're playing through the whistle. They're not not loaf in the keeping their heads on the swivel helping each other out no. I'm really proud of the guys that we don't have a weakness on our team. We do not have a weakness our safety position in his good quarterbacks are good linebackers. Good Defensive Line is good tight. Ends are good offense. Atlanta's good quarterback is good. Why was he was good. Everybody's playing above average which some of them are playing elite. I'm telling you may we're going to win this division. We're going to the first time how to the playoffs. Since you've been a fan of buccaneers two weeks in Lamari say allow on the most optimistic of Tampa Bay colored wear glasses person on the planet so Louis how that's the end of the rap all coaches all twenty two film on the Carolina Panthers Lot more on the video. Go check it out. If you get a chance. It's not quite as long as the last night trying to cut. I've put a lot of stuff on the floor that the chopping four or whatever you WANNA call it. I you know there's many things I wanted. Show like whitehead all his plays. You know just how he's just flying into the ball and you know make plays but I tried to just pick out the things that I found interesting and stuff like with Whitehead. It would have been whole bunch of plays. I went ahead to stitch together. Donald Montage of whatever word it's just. It's really not what I want to do with these videos. Maybe during the offseason there's always the Oscars always there's always tomorrow all all right. Let's go through some news and we'll touch on the injury report and then we'll wrap it up because the game is going to start about twenty minutes young boy noah expense got signed with the Washington Redskins Boito more screw opportunity. Did I really did a disappointment bloodies on an enemy team now so you know screwing and wearing redskins country now forget that guy. I was actually surprised somebody picked him up and I'm surprised that nobody's what is picked up David Kenney dam. It's really surprising to me. Another former buccaneer sits magic. He is back on the bench ventoux weeks. That's the same as happened last year and he got three or four weeks good games last year we were stuck with them for the first three because Jana suspended and then I think he got the next month because he was the hot hand he would sign with Miami and that was just oh God I would sign with Miami right now for nothing. That's not true. I'd sign with them for a couple of million dollars. They want me there to call him up until the morale. Phil they got mass exodus. He'll be there with drew brees injured. Sean Payton won't say will there's going to be ties. Miller order. Yes water's the starter. How do you know they're opening a bit. Put Hill in. I know they are he's saying they'll approach. Sunday's game with two quarterbacks the backs. I think they're going to do that. You know they they did it where with him when breezes there. I think he was in for seventeen of the snaps their gradually moving in Korea more and more and more so I think this win. They're going to have both quarterbacks. you know bridgewater will start but then they're going to have he'll come in probably about about twenty five percent upwards of forty percent of the Plays Hill we'll be in. Why are you GonNa do us like that. No no he's good dude. We based on a couple of weeks all right. Let's get to the injury report up all right. Though Allen had a heat related illness he he was limited. Wednesday full participation Thursday tough WANNA get out. Shack Barent Good Lord. I sound like you shack Barron. Shaq Barrett had a groin injury. He was limited Wednesday full participation. Thursday devante bond has not practice actes. Jamal Deen has not practiced Blaine Gabbert has not practiced in Devon White has not practiced. I don't think Devon Whites GonNA play Jensen. Jensen has a shoulder injury. He's full participation. Carl NASA was limited Wednesday with a calf injury but he's back Thursday. Rookie soon as roaches have the finger injury. He's full participation. Sharp pyramid has a quadriceps injury limited both Wednesday Wednesday and Thursday and Jameis Winston has a foot injury but he's full participation so with the four guys that have not practiced white Gabar bond and dean if they're all out per Gregg allman will see Damone Harris Andrew Atoms to play okay and either Scotty Miller or tanner Hudson so I guess what those guys injured. We've got some more active roster spot. This is a a unique thing to with Bruce Arians team is. I'm totally confident of our backup. Bler yeah me too. Yes I love our guys on our debt up and I'm like this. Is the start dwell. Dina good play and we had special teams okay. Let's go through the giants players. This is GonNa be fun. Garrett Garrett dickerson. Titan has a quadriceps injury. He was limited Wednesday but Thursday he was full participation wide receiver Rabeni Fowler remember. Are we looking at the depth chart and we're like okay. He's like they're number. Two are there other starter. He suffered burn. A hamstring injury did not practice Thursday so they're wide receiver our already weak then cody lattimore another receiver fever concussion hasn't practiced all week. Sterling Shepard had the concussion that he suffered week one that was a little controversial because they sent him back in He has limited Wednesday Full Participation Thursdays. We might see him and then Daria Slayton. Another wide receiver had a hamstring injury. He's he's been limited this week. Cornerback Grant Haley has had an illness. He didn't participate Wednesday but full participation on Thursday mm-hmm guard Kevin Zeitler had a shoulder injury didn't participate Wednesday but he's a full participant on Thursday rules out definitely. We don't know definitively until Friday manning's. I wonder if they'll be the number two. Was He riding the bench or are they. GonNa inactivate them. I would imagine it'd be number. Two Jones Socks bench him. Put Eli back in did you you see Cam. Newton hasn't been practicing because he's got sore sissy boned and we heard his pride we heard it broke his pride and half a they were asking Vera about it whether he was going to be the starter dizzy and Ron variables saying but we don't know yet. I'll have more information for Friday. I want to talk about the Arizona game and they kept asking him questions. He ended the press conference. He said I'm not GonNa do this and he walked out things. Things are looking good for the panthers happening early. We call that so good. I wonder how much of our podcast spent spent patting ourselves on the Bat. When you get a win. Just take it run with it. I hope people don't get tired enough. I don't I don't either so let us know. Should we congratulate ourselves too much. Did we talk too much about our prognostications. It's fun. It's that's one of the best things about about sports. If you ask me the whole prognostication figuring out future talent you are prognosticate astronomical of do that with every damn I live too much in the future of been trying to live in the present. Have I dunno tomorrow all right. That's GONNA wrap it up for us. Begin coming up Sunday Sunday. Be Nice to get this win. We're GONNA get it. Molly in Iowa both predicted the giants are going to take a beatdown really the key to the game. Everybody knows we know that they know it just stops Barclay because that's really all they got. We're GONNA do it. We're going to be two and one still retain the division title for the moment. I would love to see the Carolina. Panthers enters get beat by the Arizona cardinals. Oh me and like instinct collapse. I think I think they are instant classic now. It's just a yeah. I think that would speed it up a little bit. I think cardinals they tied one game and then I don't know with a record as otherwise all those positive vibes out there. Everybody think think thank focus. Were beating the giants. Were winning the division. Everyone our division is gonNA lose. Everyone division is GONNA lose. All three of our division. Asian opponents are having a weight games this week. Carolina is going to Arizona to play the cardinals. Atlanta is going to Indianapolis to play the colts and the saints are going to Seattle the play the seahawks well. AM theoretically the Falcons should beat the colts in the panthers should beat the Arizona Autocar does but I don't think so. I think the cult's I mean the the cardinals are going to be Carolina. Think seahawks are going to beat the Saints Falcons a culture. I don't know if they look like a tough team except for their offense so anyhow. Let's beat the giants until in Galax.

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The Black Panthers in the Current Era - Prof. Jamal Joseph, Samaria Graham, Dr. Gin Love Thompson

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The Black Panthers in the Current Era - Prof. Jamal Joseph, Samaria Graham, Dr. Gin Love Thompson

"This is Dr Jen Love Thompson, and I welcome you to the Akron for stations series along with a special co hosts tonight, actors and activists the Mario Grants. So, Mario Start and TV and film including reoccurring roles. On NBC, series Providence and Blossom. She appeared in Martin, Lawrence's major motion down nothing to lose the CBS mini series shake rattle and roll along with numerous other guest star, appearances and she. She is also a gifted singer and featured performer on the album based on the poetry of two pox four, the rose that grew from concrete. Some you and I are honored to share with you a conversation with Professor Jamal Joseph a member of the original Black Panther, party and author of cancer baby his memoir. Jamal is a writer director producer poet, the ultimate activist and educator he serves as the professor over Columbia University's graduate. Film. program. Professor Joseph is the CO founder and Artistic Director Those impacts the Harlem based Ucla to company and executive, director of new heritage films a non for profit organization that provides training and For minorities filmmakers. There are many other accolades and awards we could name. Demain is also known as to proxy, Cores Godfather and authored the book. To pock she core legacy. Demain along with the finish your court was part of the panthers. Twenty. One. The trial eventually collapsed and all the twenty one members were, what'd of all charges and nineteen seventy-one? Legend in his own right it is an honor and a privilege to welcome Professor Jamal. Joseph, to the conversation. Welcome tomorrow. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. So Great Mario. lemieux. Force a miss you I. Love You. Dr Jenny. Thank you for all that you do, and there's a real honor and real really high pleasure to be on your soldier. Well, thank you. So here we go. I want to jump right in I want to get to I want to get to the good stuff you know I'm the one of the things that I love. That I read. Is that while you were in prison and we'll get to that in a minute and how that came about you wrote poetry and plays and use that time to get to the super three degrees during that period. Two. degrees. From University of Kansas in sociology and psychology. So where I was I'm saying that and I'm bringing that up before we speak about how you arrive there because I that is just especially vital. Aspect of the series of who you are. So, vicious panther baby that came out and twenty twelve wasn't it? And, one of my favorite stories I'm GonNa ask you to retailer to me again is a how when you first came to the panthers. The Black Panthers you were fifteen. And you were ready to get a gun. But you receive something else instead and what was bad. So the context that story and it is in my memoir antibody. Is that Dr King was assassinated. and his death radicalized a lot of young black people. Had Been. active in the end of Lacey Pe- you council. I was a church boy member of Trinity Baptist Church. Went to a community center in how and pull the menacing townhouse I was part of clubs and organizations there and I was that. You know that kid who was on track to get scholarships and Go to college and you know people want me to become a lawyer I wanted to be a lawyer. Doctor. King. Got Killed. I. Got Really Angry. And I Winter on twenty th street on my way home I lived in the Bronx. And got caught up on the fringes of the riot and you know got thrown around by some cops chased by some cops and then rescued by a group of militants man who stood between. Me and the police and made them back off and told me to go straight home because it was. It's don't give these crops in excuse to kill you 'cause that's what they're trying to do with black folk out. The next day I was in school and having lunch with my friends. My two best friends one was still who is black and the other words Paul who's the White Kid Jewish kid and I announced that I eddie. Joseph had taken the name Jamal was going to be a threat militant now wasn't fully show what the word was, but they were these militants. Who who would be on television I, still recall Michael talking about our and h rap Brown and my friend Paul said Eddie. I don't know if you could announce that you're going to be a militant like it's a career choice could be doctor or lawyer that was like, no, you don't get it. You Watch right. So the the fall as much the myself had defined the most militant group on the scene and that night I billy night was the clip about the Black Panther party patrolling the streets of Oakland California Labor code guns and berets storming the state capital Sacramento in California when they were trying to change the gun control laws and depends said that was to disarm them and other black people. So we went to the Panthers Office, I wrote out there with two friends who are older than I was and We want none of us really sure what we're getting into. We just know that we found interesting I wanted to get your fifteen point. Fifteen this time I'm on a student and so and one of my friends says man you know you're gonNA have to prove yourself to be a panther. To kill a right to and and how to my son Jose killer. White. Dude I'm sure it's quiet but I couldn't hear punk in front of my voice. You know my other friend was like now I'm getting straight you ain't gotTA kill away. Do you gotTa kill like top and you gotta bring in his badge and gun and I'm like what but again? I could be a punk in front of my boys. So my heart is pounding. We. Find the Tampa office is that cool Black Panther logo on outside. We walk into the office and Hampton brothers and sisters there looking so cool with the Afros and their leather code. I see but I wanNA. PUT IT in context they will older to me I was fifteen but they were Nineteen twenty twenty one. That's what the face of the moving look like. And the person running the meeting is explaining the Panther Trim. Point Program. and. If you look it up online, it talks about housing talks about education and talk about healthcare. It talks about a trial by jury of our peers do is point number seven about an end to police brutality? Up nothing in there about telling the white guy bringing cop's badge or gut. Yeah. But in the middle of this action up and I'm like choosing these on me I turn away you right now and he calls me up. Front. And he's Sitting at this old wooden desk and he reaches into the bottom drawer of the desk. My heart is pounding I think he's GonNa give me big gun with a Panther logo on it and he hands me a stack of books. Autobiography of Malcolm X. Sold on ice by eldridge cleaver rescued by fence tonight. And I'm confused now and so excuse me so. Army he says excuse me brother I just do. And as more of my feet and Walking back to my seat, this is. Kind of real important. he says, you know I wanna ask you a question since you came in here. So mad wife. Oh. If. All of these times that in the community. That are brutalizing people beating people up locking people up shooting people down. They were black. And, all of the people being arrested and killed were white. Of. All of these store owners. These catalysts that are ripping communities your. High prices spoil vegetables right me. They were black and everybody being ripped off and exploit. It was like all of these jobs lying fascists politician. If all of them were black and all the exploited or oppressed people were white. Would that make things Greg. I thought for a second I said, well, no. So it seems like we're still be wrong and he said that's right. Your brother. This is a PLA- s- struggle with human rights, not just the race struggle for civil rights. Those books so you know what Real Lucien is about. Okay, okay and so powerful. Yeah and how many times do you hear that story and for the people that are hearing it for the first time? How blessed are you hear it? Especially in reflection where we are now, that story gives such a clear representation of what the heart of the panthers truly were because there's so many misconceptions as to what the panthers before. I. WanNa. Ask You when you were that fifteen year old. Do You And You just found out the Dr King. Who I have to say is one of my has throughout my life been one of my greatest teachers. And to this day remain. When you were when that happened at that moment, can you express? What you were feeling With. Greece. And tremendous anger. I think you know the You, know the the heart. The heart for Black America. Were broken. and there was a sense of dismay that if the. Prince of peace. I champion suggestions could be gunned down would hope. WAS A. Hope was there for the country? especially especially at fifteen, only three years prior knock a message in a fascinating. There's a connection with the death of The death of of of Malcolm, X.. And what I was told that I ate and the Panther Office. See. The greening of the panthers were all power to the people. Remember we come out of A. Era of civil rights where people were talking about we shall overcome. and that was overcoming oppression. Poverty. Racism. and. Rome that evolved the black power movement. The leaders of the Black Power Movement. Had Been in the civil rights movement. Sophie. Card Michael was a member of snakes. The organizations that John Lewis. Who passed away a few weeks ago founded? And then became the chair snake. And change the name to from the student nonviolent Coordinating Committee. To the National Coordinating Committee and started talking about black power. And the movement started. Embracing the teachings of Malcolm. X.. and not turning the other cheek. and talking about self defense. So it evolves from, we shall overcome black power. From victimhood to debts that we're not gonNA take it anymore, which is one of the steps toward being victim is like you won't continue to victimize me. And then the panthers started saying all powers of the people. So you go to panther rally and a great pamper leader like a Fred Hampton or Bobby Seale or in New York, city of famous or call would say all power to the people. And then we would always break it down and we will say that means black pile for black people but white powerful white people round powerful Brown people. For people yellow crowds, yellow people at X. Power to. to everyone everyone else. and. You might say, well, what do you mean why people they have power? But. The majority of white people up four and struggling they're more white people than in now on welfare than black people. And the same capitalist system. Everyone's struggling. So the panthers began to talk about class struggle began understand that the oppression of black people. Wasn't just based on white people hating black people. It was an economic system that profited a small ruling class. Slavery was a business. Pulse Slavery Life People Working in service industries in working You know you know menial jobs and doing backbreaking work for no money. The continuation of slavery there were people who were. Enslaved in theory, but they became sharecroppers working the same land that they had been on for generations to no money and then just evolved into mass incarceration. which is a modern day plantation business make billions and billions of dollars begins critique capitalism. and that racism is a byproduct is in fact the ideology because if you keep poor people divided. And thinking that their problems because you know you know poor white people. Hey, brass people and there's a problem and black people and white people hating Latino People Mexican people there. The problem it's Chinese people come knowing that saying the wheel picture in the real exploitation. I want to show you how what I mean. They're just connected. Martin Luther King. led. The Civil Rights Movement for fifteen years and his fight was for social justice. The right to vote desegregation. In nineteen, sixty, seven, he gives a great speech. As great as the I have a speech at Riverside Church New York. And he shoots the he was of America. And they're connected and they functioned together and he says the Eagles are poverty, racism and militarism. Poverty Racism and war. These are the ingredients a fascism. He began to denounce the war and Vietnam War capitalist exploitation not just the war that was morally wrong when he began to talk about class struggle began to talk about linking up. The struggle of poverty with civil rights, merging these two struggles, creating these alliances that king was dead within a year of that speech. Malcolm. X. said the white man is the devil. For the when he was a leader of the nation of Islam. Leaves. The. Nation of Islam he comes back from Mecca and he says I no longer believe the white man is the devil. because I have made prayer and pilgrimage Muslim school right who Asian boost Latino. But further than that, now can begin to speak about capitalism and the capitalist system of exploitation, and he starts to talk about class struggle and he's dead within a year. When the Black Panther Party about when Black Panther Party started talking about. Socialist Revolution. Not Fixing the system because the system is not broken. Wasn't broken. It's not broken now. The system is doing exactly what is designed to do, right? Yeah. What is supposed to? We're talking about dismantling and creating a new system, and that's when the the government and the FBI in the form of of Jay who was counterintelligence program attacked and destroyed the Black Panther party because when you talk about that Kinda struggle the way spread Hampton when he created the original Rainbow Coalition in Chicago Fred Hampton. Breeds like Pampa leader in order to who was murdered in his bed is twenty one. When you talk about that, Rainbow Struggle and people understand their struggles that connected struggles of workers struggles minute struggles against police brutality. For health struggles for justice in the course, there's struggles of immigation of immigration struggles choice struggles for the Lgbtq community when people understand that they're fighting a common enemy and that these fronts battlefronts of the same fighting the same enemy and you create a united front that for strategy that can win and match when the government will come down with every force imaginable using the courts to legally lynch you using to the police to Lynch you. Whether it's GonNa you down while you're jogging ex police are racist or whether it's putting the your neck and so you and so you can't read or choking Aragona that that's what we're up against. But that's the moment we need to be it. That's what the panthers were doing when the government came after and we were building a united front against fascism and in this moment of. Black lives matter the lesson from the Black Panther Party besides the breakfast program, which is how you spent by the way your day is a panthers you've got up in the morning was serving the people in the community eating breakfast, Detroit, free breakfast program it was a free health clinic educate. The breakfast program is the model for all the fleet breakfast and lunch programs we have in the country. Free Health Clinics, other models, war community health organizations. Tennis program all the models for community. Housing. The work that we did with workers in the united front work. That was how you spent the day because we understood that yes we'll have guns for self defense that there will be struggle one day. But as you Organiz people around their needs because when you talk about freedom and liberation injustice feed into someone who stomach is growling because they have the need the meal. Justice is someone who has no place to live as a warm dry safe place to sleep. So and and and Liberation to someone who doesn't have health care is being able to get treated for sickle cell offer asthma offer lead lead poisoning. So that's how you create a united front and that's how you organize people in the community around the knee, and then you clean out the country's edition of the richest men in the world denying people their basic rights and they're basically. Know. Jamal's listening to. I have to tell you my late twenties. I'm when I learned about the the breakfast? program. That's what you Roomie to learn more about the Black Panther party because I that's not you know something I've never heard before I didn't know about it and the more I studied in more I research Black Panther Party, the more I know and understand. The integrity but it's not instilling that you and that I really had full true appreciation for the Panther Party and I wanNA. Bring this up is speaking of. All of this. You know it's not the term as a term that they loved it there around the Stugotz. That's not what they see on those. White people I feel fear most is the entity of. And they're mentally distorted consciousness, I'll say I. You know whether it be subconscious conscious they're both. What they think? Most Armed black man well armed and having control of his mind has. Educated specially educated well, armed with knowledge and wisdom. And well armed with weapons as well to protect yourself in family. So. I would really appreciate you would take a moment and some Aria I was speaking before before this call and we were discussing the fact that for people who don't know about the Black Panther Party and you don't understand what they truly stick for. They see it and I think not just like people to believe this. I. Think I think that you know I think that there's there's other folks please this as well. They see. It as in the same realm boils my blood even think about this thing said, but it said the KKK some and I were saying you know the case is a is is hunting down people and the Black Panther Party is protecting people from that and doing this community education and work and people do not people just truly don't have that information. So everything you're saying right now to educate to educate people that aware. Is Everything the biggest misconceptions of the Black Panther Party give them great information. But if you had like two minutes to say something to someone about what you still the biggest miss communication and understanding the Black Panther Party is what would you say? To that. Well, it's a it's a capsulated in the story, and that's why I like to tell the story of my first day. In the panthers. Office because within minutes in moments. The the. My to just misconceptions about depends on quality went to spell. One one one was that. The panthers were a an ultra violent group that just wanted to hurt you kill people White people. And to was that, the Black Panther party hated white people that it was a a racist hate organization. and I got books instead of a gun and I got a lesson that. If black people on top and white people were on the bottom. It would still be wrong and we would have to fight that system that no one is free until everyone is free race gender choice preference. That's what real liberation looks like everyone is is free from oppression. And that everyone. Has An alienable right and the guaranteed right to boo clothing shelter. Read them. Justice. Healthcare. And that our society has a duty to provide that. Any food civilization is sees it as its first has and I. I've predation to make sure that everyone. is is cared for is safe and has you. To live their best life you know we we like to say that is that you know living. Living best like and to that end, that's the work that she did. And the best compliment that you could get in the panthers was that Russell sister is a servant of the people if you ask anyone any pants fashion. what we were taught to believe as they foundational principle. was value we would to have. A above and beyond all the values I guarantee you they will answer the question the same way and we studied we studied the ten point program or read books and we were you know a organization. It's really believed that education political education in theory but theory matter married with practice everyone will answer it the same way. They will say we were taught to have an undying love for the people guaranteed as any panzer. They will say that or they say we were sought to love people and serve the people mind body spirit, and so when I was walking to my seat. Again this very first day in. Office, it was pictures revolutionaries along the war. As you might imagine, you newsmen Bobby Seale who would have found us as a Black Panther party bobby Hutton who was seventeen years old fifteen when he joined seventeen when the police shot him in the back and then it said Bobby Hutton I to join first and then there's a poster of Che Guevara. The Great Cuban revolutionary. Leader of the kids revolutionary whose whose Argentinian whose doctor but and there's this great quote and it was from a speech that chain as United Nations after the Big Cuban Revolution in the quote is at the risk of sounding. US. Let me say the revolutionaries the guy by great feelings of love. Ask the and I watched it and I was like is this word love I mean the pants office but I've heard this when I would go with grandma uni. To Church. About love I heard just in the ended up Lacey Pe- why this word? Well, I true liberation struggle. that. Is just struggle is motivated by love and when you've added by that then ideologically but also instinctually you do the right thing in the struggle in the right thing by and for the people you'll struggling for. Yeah. Absolutely. But I thought that was coming to me when I was speaking with. You and your naming the ages of these people who are leading. This. You know this revolutionary consciousness it's just all inducing. I was reading last night and the an familiar with the ten point plan twenty six rules and discipline a discipline that I would like be on that some. But before I ask you to I, you know because as you were saying when here, what you also have to say about the times we're in now these militia groups coming up and we have. The you know the necessity of the organization. I'm to be there and how you're how you're doing that how to Black Panther Party veterans doing that but I read last night and open letter. From original Black Panther, party members to black hip hop artists who have an interest in our community. I read the article and I just it was written with such love. So I, would just like for you to speak on. Yeah. Absolutely the letter is was written by by a group of us. You veteran panthers including Sekou Ginga through over Andrew Ben. Wahad who are members of the Panthers Twenty One, the case that went to prison for the first time a Finnish records bombers was also a member of the Panthers Twenty One. And it was to. To reach out to. Office and you know successful black men and women in the entertainment industry to get them to reflect on this moment and to see that they could use this celebrity in this success to help turn this moment into a movement. But that can't be done without some of the historical context that we were talking. We didn't get here by accident that there is a system of oppression that fascism fascism is the combination of of of not arisen capitalism and racism. that's Mussolini. Did Italy the economy got better as other people got exploited. It was about being as high in, and if you would not Italian, you were the enemy. And in fascist Italy mostly targeted other retires were communists and he said they're not true Italian. And they were interred in concentration cans and they will vilified and. And they were murdered. Hitler was a student of Mussolini. Not the other way around. And so that's what he did. Beat German economy thrive as they went to war. And it was about being area and being German the targets became the Jewish people. and. So now we have different presidents throughout history who of us. who use that fascist model Nixon, with his campaign of law and order the law and order you know to go to your point earlier. That that the the criminal element, the way to rally white people has been around fear of the black man here of the black body. Right just this. This is someone who wants to kill you. This is someone who wants to raise your women just as the one that's doing Chroma Austin. CYSTIC show that the there are more arrests. In. Black and poor communities because more concert. and. There's a number white police officers was hey, you that it was the same number of police giving the same instructions in white communities those would be equal or greater. But that is not just. You know someone trying to keep society say that is part of the ideology of fear that makes capitalism and fascism work have to have an enemy You have to justify everything that the ruling class does to make itself stronger in the name of protecting it, and then you need to use police in military to enforce your power and what better example we have a vast and Donald trump in the way that he is. In. Support of the militarization of police in the way that he has turned federal troops on citizen and ways that we have not seen since students were Murray murder can say white students protesting against the war in Vietnam and soups was saying into the inner city to well, the rebellions that happen you know across the of course, the country and the absolute hatred for anyone that is a non white American and especially non white American man and he's rallied that same kind of irrational fervor that Mussolini had with in man and that Hitler had with German. Then they would be acting that some says arm themselves drink bleach. Right, run around without masks anything that he says, that is dangerous dangerous stay for passes and. What is the way to fight it? It is a united front against fascism. We understand that it was all miseration. Do people need to be armed for the purposes of self defense they do but the true? Danger. or the weapon a revolutionary change isn't armed mind. Conscious. Mind a minded understands with through liberation is in terms of who you really fighting and what you need to do in terms of building a united front and that's like it would not by interstate alone that we're in the spicy together and that's what's so encouraging about what what's happened in this moment the way. People write brothers and sisters. Left. Their homes in the midst of a pandemic that said, you should not leave home to put their bodies on the line to cry out for justice and that's what I learned was saying is that the next step is to recognize fascism for what it is and to do with the panthers were doing do Dr King was doing to do with Malcolm X. was doing at the time that they were killed and precisely for why they would kill is to turn this into a united front against bashes does them all like you said, you receive education in the form of psychology? Is that one of the? Was Yeah yes. I. Was you sociologist? and. Tomorrow I. Know. As far as The psychology part. How did how have you? Interpreted what's going on and what was going on well. When I got is degrees smari I thought you know I was in prison I was finishing up a fairly long sentence. And I thought that I would continue to go to school. When I was released and get A. Psychology and then continue to study. You know I'm a blackout in in the martial arts and continue to study. Acupuncture, and has this holistic practice way I was dealing with trauma right that that. Just you know we you know we now recognize that PTSD exists in our community and all forms not just of you've been to war but that you know that it is the pse of. Police brutality poverty in going up in areas where gangs have being formed because the kids. Feel that we have to protect ourselves both from the released from the Games right because then you know trying to is by violence. And quite honestly what happened while I was imprisoned. is on Saturdays they bring a movie and you know we WANNA get out, get out of ourselves and we'd be in the auditorium and. They would be. You maybe three months old or six months old. But guys would be sitting there. In Iraq attention of the movie. Now, it was like Magic Johnson they'd be talking back to the screen and doing the whole thing and these guys would be ruled and funny and the whole thing. But I saw the power of still and Samaria quite frankly I said Jamal. and then some theater before it was pack part of the Black Arts. Movement right and I said Jim. Mom. You can get out and you can go to school for another you know four years and so you can. Mess one person's mind at a time or he'll one mind at a time I said, no, you can learn how to make these movies and do these places and mess with a whole bunch of people at once. And that was really. How I thought I thought that culture could be a weapon and why began to write plays informed the company and came out and really studied film and theater at always use that I wanted to be an artist and smart. You know from my days together you know at the city kids foundation I work beyond that that when you combine an art of this and an activist. And an artist, you have an artist. So what does the lesson taught me about five right? Yeah and he told me that Tom and the person. Oh. Thank you and told me their trauma and the and the pressure wants just the providence of. Middle class upper middle class people and rich people who could who could afford to pay you know a fifty dollars now seventy five dollars an hour three, hundred dollars an hour or two therapists but it was the providence of whole communities I studied from France Benign. listeners is was a black doctor say hijras. Who became a revolutionary because as he practiced psychiatry in Algeria and other parts of Africa and in Martinique and all of that he saw the trauma of oppression grading wheel mental health issues. In people directly connected to colonialism and that's the way to fully for people truly heal themselves was not just counseling certainly, not just medication, but it'd be an active participant in their own the gration. Here's a really important point I'd like to make one of the greatest lessons of organizing I learned from a pain in Chicago who was my mentor was my big sister who took me under her wing from the first day that I walked into the Black Panther office. It was this idea that we were serving the people but also teaching the people, and if any of this, she said the goal of Panther Party is not going to be to make every man woman and child lamented the Black Panther Party. Goal of Black Panther Party is to teach the people the possibilities of struggling liberation by examples and to educate them. And so that their participants in their own liberation, and if we really do our jobs as panthers and I say this all organizers, then you make yourself obsolete. Duty of an organizers put themselves out of business because the people become revolution. They become the leaders they become a liberal and you'll part of bad mass of love in the Bush mentioning a Phoenician core you re to talks Godfather, and those are the other stories and when to get into the voting as well on the issue was voting or when I want to hear from you on that and this election but can you just? You know the pasta ice I fell in. Love with was before soon. became huge. There was like underground that you would hear. His music before he was famous, but there was a poetry. And you know everyone's seen the the videos when he was seventeen and. The wisdom that he had the insight that he had I, don't know if you had an opportunity to read the email the one that I wrote in that I probably spend my book sunrises at midnight that's honoring to PA. But tell us about that too pox that you knew that you meant for and that you loved that the sides of the him and the parts of him that he's not. Known for. Your. Opponent dutiful by the way maybe you'll grace. Grace the audience with that as close because you catches him so well in their home so he was he was. Absolutely. He he was to first and Foremost Panther Cub. I've written a book about pot call to pop legacy and saying. Oh thank you and the opening line of the books to park was in prison while he was still in the womb because if any was pregnant with and then thrown back in jail on the Panthers Twenty, one case and he came out fighting and he came out a warrior and he was always. That kid who was curious schools brilliant. Who went to rallies with his mother who was by her side when she was working at south around. Legal Services just how legal who fought for women's rights who for political prisoners obtained never stopped? Struggling in to park was there to get in trouble and if any would give him a spanking, she would give him the New York Times and he'd have to read an article and write. An Essay about that. How he punishment finish it, it doesn't make any sense to me to be a to be a black fund in a society that. Black men. Right, so she wanted to use bad. Discipline. You know not to put calluses on his ass, but to strengthen his mind. Because as we've been saying throughout our conversation, this evening, that is the best weapon that you can have is an armed. Black mine arm human mind you know real consciousness. So. Always talented always that, and that's a lesson in terms of you know even if he became more famous and even as he wanted to comment on everything. So that's why you could get. a dear Mama and. Baby to you know from the same artist was doing stuff like I get around me and my girlfriend which was about you know how much she was in love with his pistols you know. And he was that he was that Europe has generation that could channel and honest way and it's why people to this day I mean I have the there. There are people who I run into who to fans who want born. When supertalk was killed? Who Know his songs relate to him, who seemed to pockets that hero because he speaks truth to power in so many ways, but he really understood the issues to popper was. Very, political very conscious and he went through his period you know it was the East Coast West Coast Lists But had to park mapping killed oriented moved away from death row. He's GonNa Create. His company histone production company had a model for you centers across the country. He had a way that artists will be involved in directly giving us. The greatest leaders we have now if he were alive. There would be no doubt about it. You know and other still respond to that. I. Think it's part of what gets us to sit down with certain people. They know that we represent that lay I wanna go back to the panther lettuce just for a second because I really WanNa. Give a shout out to to Ti and to kill my enter. Ludicrous. Who responded to the letter who mentos or working with us to implement? some of the changes and to spread some of the word that we put a put out in that letter. So it was an open letter and they stopped us we didn't have to track them down just to say, we want to save what you veterans and he was. You have to say WanNa learn in this moment, and we want to deepen our commitment to struggle from the barechested this moment I want to just say one thing I, mean, there's so many things that being in. The orbit of. Mall Joseph has blessed me with giving. Me Is just just been like I can't. Even I can't even put the words to it but One thing that happened is we we had already been working together. I met him. Oh, back it up. I met him. More for people who don't know because on my say. At, the beginning that you are an accomplished actress. Meaning TV film you are. Oh Yeah. Yeah Yeah. Yeah. I WANNA make that I'll be and everything. Like that. Yeah. So So on this. Very, consciously, by the way tomorrow I'm sorry to cut you off but people need to know. And and Talking about park. up Meinie asked me to help turn to spoken word into an album. Set to music inviting different artists. It and scenario is a key part of that album coming in helping with vocal arrangements hanging on the album reading poetry the album getting guest artists to come in she's a key key. Member of the creative team that created the rose the grew from concrete album based on two parts book of poetry. She's a bad. He's a bad. And and that is one of the things anytime that comes up my heart just 'cause I 'cause I truly love to talk and. She actually is going she before started to keep your comment a little bit more about that they just about you before I can. Read. The two poems that I had that I wrote the rose before I even had. To me, there was no one to recite that for me other than she. But before I had even had an opportunity to ask her she said I'll do it undoing it, and that was just a precious and I'm have to do it and that's a good and we're fine with that. But Nikki Great Nikki Giovanni who I've also had the opportunity you spend a couple of days listen in years past she receives credit for for that but the all of all of the local sector hearing before Nikki Giovanni reciting and that's Awesome Maria when you listen to the tracks so so now From. Want people to know that. Very well, I'll just thank you. So I just graduated from college when I'm Jamal Joseph. And I was on dishing. And that was Jamal you WanNa i WanNa hear your version of that audition. And then I'll go on with what I would tell. The. Remember when I'll just for you. Peru. For the. High. Yeah. Yeah and he told me I was too light skin. Go ahead tell Jamaa Mario. Away, with a tower I. Put you on. Nobody's to and she probably I think she's still says it's the craziest call she ever got. Director call her to say these words exactly that you were hands down the most talented actress who came in and auditioned for the role and then she killed it but you were to life for the role but I wanna work with you want to stay in touch with you because you're amazing and that was the beginning about relationship, our friendship or membership. And totally was my mother loves you from that day she was like, what time is it? He's only. Look like. Okay. So I I met him in in that way. But one of the most beautiful things that I was able to do is just sit I just remember being in your apartment with your wonderful wife Joyce. And your children were little Munchkins at the time. Listening to you sell stories and looking at the pictures of you. But when you were younger and when you were in a, you know when you were when you were panther a younger. Probably that fifteen seventeen somewhere else you know somewhere in that. and seeing that. That was amazing. Just hearing your stories that was fantastic and one of the things. Somewhere in the journey, you've taught me about. Going protests and what happened that protest And so when I went to the Rodney King participated in the Rodney King protest in New York. You had alerted me that sometimes police are the ones who start the riot and I had. kidnapped. My boyfriend at the time Harold Perrineau. Remember how To, do. Yeah I have him, and then he and I went. And the person who was in front of me went on when the light change and once we got back together the group got. Together. For some reason, the police officer, they were all on motorcycles they ran over the the the guys lakes and made him fall over. The Guy who was directly in front of me so it would have been me if the light hadn't changed what I feel. and so I thought I'd say I'm going home right now. Only. Because I I don't have the ability to fight back I didn't have any. To not fight back, I wasn't going to be the one who would be like Oh. Okay. All right and he said everything's Okay and I said, okay well, I'm GonNa, go home. And he called me back later. told me he had got hit in his head with the billy clubs. Police officer. Executor's on payroll. The fact that you gave us I don't know who it was just me I can't remember if it was one of the Times at city kids or is one of the Times while I was just absorbing everything that you were saying when I was visiting you. But you did give tools in order to be able to be part of a movement as well. And I appreciate that because some elders. Don't do that. They almost feel there's either a fear or complacency not sure which one it is. But you did empower me to be able to stand and walk and go and be present. And then also be aware and cautious at the same time and I appreciate that. So I I don't know if I've ever said that but I really needed to hear that. Thank you so much. This is received with with I. Love It. Thank you so why? The series that I'm doing the impetus of it is that we have ninety days before the election trump is already being trump. He's already pulling you know all of these stunts. To save their stunts, makes it sound less dangerous though he is once again as I've said, if four to say democracy is that. Rest is like comparing a matched to an atomic bomb he is so dangerous that there are not where it's what's even more dangerous than him are the ones that are listening to him and following him blindly. So voting, we have Angela Davis Angela Davis that is voting for Biden. And people are GonNa tell me that they're more revolutionary than Angela Davis I have a real problem that. So can you talk to us about the necessity for everyone votes and remove trump the anyone who doesn't vote? is a vote for trump. Just speak on on where we are why it's so dire now and your take on that. Yeah I I really. Think you laid it out beautifully. and. You know the the Black Panther Party was involved in voting and getting people registered to vote. Even as the height of the Black Panther, party even as we were saying that the capitalist system has to be dismantled that is corrupt that it's only GonNa do when it's still to do which is why Obama can only do so much When you're the the the engineer of a train, you can only go. Where the track Soleil maybe you can speed it up maybe you can slow without that part is true. But Donald trump is a person who Because of his own sense of survival is on viciousness his. You know his sole interest is the survival of him and his immediate family will run that train straight off of a cliff with everybody on it. So. It's real important that we not get reelected. It's also important to understand that as you're getting out and you casting your presidential vote. against trump, you also get to empower these progressive young politicians. Who are running for office or running for reelection and that that changed on a local level can be powerful in terms of your community boards in terms of your congressional difference and in terms of demanding these politicians that they represent a progressive. Agenda in Washington DC, that's the pressure comes from. So you're a great story that Harry Belafonte told me who I'm I'm lucky to count mental. And it's the story of when eighth Brando. went to the White House and and and Roosevelt was president. And ACL Randall. Was a black man and one of the greatest labor leaders in history and most famously organize all of the poelman quarters the people who worked on the trains who serve the food turn the beds. This is before the airline Industry Americans have a by train, turn them into a powerful union. And he goes to the White House and Roosevelt gets his whole cabinet and he says I want you to listen to Mr. Is a very brief man and a great man and. A brand out lays out a powerful case for Labor emphasis, right? And after it was over President Roosevelt says. Missy. Randolph, you even more brilliant than I thought she would be and everything you said makes sense. Now I need you to get into the streets and make me do it. So that, getting out into the streets combined with voting is how real change happen? Yeah. This man trump. The occupant of the White House in terms of desperation and. Ignorance has shown you what he would do. He is nothing less than a mass murderer. This man has. Thousands ask people die. From the from covert ninety changed so that he could. Hang onto that racist days that he talked about that will follow him anywhere in hopes he can expand on that. So we've seen what he will do and you're absolutely right Angela. Davis was a lifelong revolutionary and communist who does not believe in capitalists. as voting for Biden I'm voting for Biden I'm urging everyone to get out and will importantly. You live in if you have relatives and friends and stay those swing states you've got to get them out to vote. Joe Biden is no prize. I will be the first to say, Joe Biden was part of that whole group of senators that under Bill Clinton. Made mass incarceration. The law of the land generations are black people that suffer from that but he has not Donald Trump who consciously murder people and he is someone in this atmosphere in terms of what people can do. The way rose though said, get on the streets and make me do it and what can happen congressionally they can be forced to do many good things you have to get out and vote I'll survival depends on this election. And we never stopped evolving and so and you know as far as bitings those beings vice president for the first black president of the United States I I just I feel I feel that we also need to while he may not be many people's first choice. As you said, oftentimes while I do feel like he's evolved I just you know it's about it's not always about who you want in office who who don't want in office only obviously trump just has to go we're not going to survive and. That's not being overly dramatic. That's being realistic and that's being factual. Our country will forever be changed in a way that we will not be able to get back to for for decades if ever, and what can we just we can't go there. So everyone I completely agree with you how important it is if you have a encourage others to vote and especially those people in swing states absolutely absolutely you have anything to say about that somewhere my yeah. Yeah. I've been actively working with David. Wilson. Brown here in North Carolina. He's a master if you would call them progressive, but he's very close to it. He's off for district five. He is someone who I. Totally support I've seen I've known him for about three years. Now I was running for Congress, I met him when I was running, I was running as an independent who was running as a Democrat and he was just dynamic. His heart is in the right place. and. If people in North Carolina come out and vote for David Wilson Brown and then up and down the ballot. I think we'll have exactly what we need. And yes we. Like them all set and like a lot of people say writing may not be the I don't you know the one that I voted for. Elizabeth Warren after to say I wanted a woman but anyway, I'm GonNa vote for a Biden. Of course, 'cause I can't see any more time in even think we should have I think that we should figure out how to get him out of office on Friday. Like. Maybe it's twenty four. Twenty four PM removed yeah. Yeah. So yeah being active being part of and if you if you can support a candidate by just helping making phone calls or doing, you know the small the smallest things it really helps get their names out. So you know the people who are listening if there's somebody that you believe in or somebody. That, you feel that you know where their platform will. Create the changes that you need to see and your community police support them. Don't just sit back and expect them to do it. It is challenging is time consuming. It's exhausting for run for office and they need as many volunteers and many people just speaking out for them. So please just be active we have to be active just like. When Obama President Obama was elected I. Think we dropped the ball a little bit and. Right. Now you don't have that option so. Present. And activated so that we can shift this. And we have to remain diligent for the entire ninety days. We cannot no matter what polls say because we know polls are not always accurate. No matter what it looks like or feels like you just do the work until the last moment to ensure that. This goal is not. vai By try. Okay. I just had to say that. Well, that's right. That's. How `Bout Five, five, five was using tomorrow director, vibe tribe. Okay, we need to do that. We do virtually come on. We could do that virtually we we should do the. Yeah we can. But we have Maliki Oba sometimes. We had a bunch of beautiful people, very likable art after Saudi, when what is now you told me about it to know what it is. It's a Diadema. It was I. WE described herself as they've has resume and news fats. So we did spoken word a little bit of jazz vocals a little bit of hip hop. You know it was a musical mash up and and we had a five track posse and sometimes we'd get on stage and the group would be six people. Sometimes, it'd be fifteen people and you know with was using vocals and poetry and hip hop spreading progressive news you know revolutionary anthems, pipe ballots, all of that. We just spoke through power throughout music. Okay. We we we calling it up. We're going to do. We're GONNA do over you and we'll call while you call me. I'm calling it up right. Thank you. It's been a pleasure. Here's what here's what I'd like to do If it's OK in the student of really planning the by ties and getting back together again tomorrow I'm going to show up home and then whatever it it says to speak to you musically. Grabbing feel worse than that and just take us out vocally. You Ready Okay. Okay. So are you ready? Yes Here's the piece. The time has come for risks and revelations. For Way out just to inner space. Now to one truth is really ones and it must be a perspective that are fragmented. The journeys we make in search on blemish wilderness reveals that much of the rest is ally. And if love. It's to transform and to be transformed then creativity must be the child of a most perfect union. We may not have all the answers, but at least less attempt to understand the question. who troop build endeavors, the bill, large creative fires, or maybe just the plain, but nevertheless we're trying. More Pacific Union. Lease. Healthy. Because love is. Thing. And He. 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Matt Rhule, Carolina Panthers HC

NFL Live

07:05 min | 1 year ago

Matt Rhule, Carolina Panthers HC

"Welcome to another special edition of the Adam Schefter. podcast this week. We already put out one that contain interviews with Jerry Rice. Lorenzo Alexander the former the buffalo bills linebacker who announced his retirement over the weekend and ESPN analytic. Screw Evan Kaplan but when the panthers had a press conference on Wednesday for their new head coach Matt Rule and we had the chance to sit down with him for a second time as we did in December before he began his. NFL Head coaching interviews. We we of course agreed to that so once again for the second time within a month former Baylor and Kern Carolina Panthers Coach Matt Rules Regulations. -gratulations thank you so much longtime no speak happy to have you on back again. I have to ask you today. Had to be one of the most memorable significant days of your life you become an NFL. Hey coach officially what will be the most memorable part of this day. I think you'll always remember You know I I would say it would be walking out into the stadium with my my wife Julie. My son Brian and my two girls. You know You know seeing the magnitude of you know. So what what what what. We're undertaking what we're being entrusted to do You know everything else. You know you kind of run it from one interview. The next meeting people which is all great but having a minute just kind on a catch my breath and look at the stadium and look at the jumbotron which you know the big picture of me and said you know. Welcome having my kids having a moment when my kids I'll I'll certainly remember that for a long time. Had you ever walked in to the Panthers Stadium Bank of America Stadium. Four never been. I've been here twice My first year as an Assistant D.. Any line coach at Temple. We came here and play Clemson and that was a pretty memorable for us. I put it on us and then I came here My Year in New York we came here and play Thursday night ah the panthers and so Had a chance to be your twice and third time carries the most meaning. And for those. Who Don't know basically you were the offensive coordinator at Temple in two thousand eleven? The giants Assistant Offensive Line Coach in two thousand twelve. The temple head coach in two thousand sixteen the Baylor head coach in two thousand nine hundred and now the panthers coach here in two thousand twenty. How do you explain a meteoric rise that takes you from the offensive coordinator Temple to the head coach of the Carolina Panthers in nine years? I'll just say a bunch of really good. The players are really good coaches that that performed at a high level for me. You know And I think that that decision to go to the giants and worked for Tom. Cough rougher Kevin Gilbride Those were that was a really powerful decision. I think it really changed. You know the trajectory of my career and it told me hey eventually I want to be in the national football league so took the job at temple. What kind of bet on myself and said? Hey you know what I'm GonNa give shot. It worked out. went to Baylor and kind of again ourselves there because people thought you know why would you go there at the time with the situation and Really really proud of those kids. I mean I'm not sitting here. Kids don't go from eleven losses to eleven wins in two years and so I'm I'm excited to be here. And I think this will be a great great great time time for me personally for this team. And you're talking about being there and you bring up the New York giants. There are a Lotta people who thought with you being from the New York area. They said that the giants were of your dream job. How difficult was it not to even interview with the team that many people thought you might wind up with well you know? I think when when when when when the Mr Tepper came down Monday night and when Marty came down Monday night Stephen Drama didn't sat at our house I it was just clear that that was was you know that was the right place for me. And that doesn't mean anything bad about any of the place but you know I've said it for a long time I I had a great great job at Baylor. I mean I had an eight year contract that paid me more money than I could have ever imagined and I had a beautiful house at a great team. Everything was Kinda sat and so for me to leave that security It had to be something that I felt was just really unique and I talked to Mari and talk to Mr Temper. It was clear that this was the right opportunity. And and after I left my wife my son Said Hey. That's that's where we should go and woke up the next day and you know they offered me the job and I just didn't Wanna I didn't WanNa to to to not take this opportunity. Felt like the right one and I I woke woke up this morning. Feeling really great. Knowing that I'm at peace is the right place for us right now and that at the press conference today in which you were introduced the first thing they said is. Here's what's next so so I guess I would say to you is what's next for you now that you're in the job as the Carolina Panthers head coach. I've got a lot to do. I've got to build a staff And I got a really start to evaluate and get to know this roster and and get to know The more you get to know the contract situations with Marty and at the same time you know. Get to know them as people so you know Had a chance to be Christian McCaffrey they had a chance to talk to Cam. Yesterday on the phone had a chance to See Shack this morning and a chance to see EJ anymore so just starting to try to get around and meet a bunch of people and You know really you know. Get to know the team so But I think building staff and doing getting the team the two the things I have to do right now and once we have those things done we can kinda hit it running. I guess I would ask you when you build a staff who's in the running for offensive coordinator important higher. Well I am. I've talked to a couple of different guys and the good news. Is this kind of been out there for a while so You know there's been guys who've Kinda been reaching out to me and So you know I wanna I wanNA have a coordinator who's WHO's got. NFL experience but at the same time is is is is doing things that are cutting edge new and so I'M GONNA take my time. Make sure you get the right guy. Make sure that we have some what the right amount of Right amount of experience and vision for what we want to be and There certainly but no shortage of people that are interested in which is great. You mentioned that you spoke to Cam Newton on the phone yesterday. What can you tell us about that? Conversation with. Cam Newton Just that you know he. He's all he was awesome to talk to passionate tell he's a great guy tremendous competitor and and I know he's getting healthy right now and again it. It was just conversation just to introduce myself and say how much I look forward to to get. Know Him in the future and and You know I told him until all the players I mean. I really don't know anything anything right now. I just Kinda was here today. But I'll get caught up to speed really quick on where everything's at and We can get this thing moving in the right direction. Well Matt you've also become the I guess to be on the Adam chapter podcasts in one month period but you gone from being the Baylor head coach to the Carolina Panthers head coach. Nice to talk to you equal. I appreciate the time you've given us over the last month. Congratulate you on the new job there with the panthers in the NFL. Thank you so much. And now another edition of obvious news from GEICO experts. 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The best Panthers team to not win a Super Bowl

Cat Scratch Reader

39:23 min | 1 year ago

The best Panthers team to not win a Super Bowl

"I think that's what you guys this. But while emails I mailed Seth Today. Who's you know? Version of And because he emailed us about our best teams one title thing and I was like if we don't have any teams in the sixty four team bracket that you made. What do I do and he's like? Oh you'll have to do anything. I think the Hornets are the only team that I have a single team. That was good enough to even to almost win. A CHAMPIONSHIP. Took talks low sounding. Podcast as always this is. Brian joined by Brad and John. John How are you doing this? Fine evening okay go fuck myself Brad. How're you doing? I'm doing great Brian. I'm sorry it's okay I got to say I just started it off with Elga. Fuck myself so that works out. Yes that's fine. I mean I heard you try to talk but I realize now you can hear me. It's fine it seems to fit with the whole theme of the way the world's going these days I have a comment though about The intro that we just had I realized I needed to make new music. Yeah because I mean queen while I was going to keep the cat scratch fever thing but like I think every player. That's in the little like audio montage except for Christian McCaffrey has gone makes remember. It's like cams in it Greg Olsen Senate. Thomas Davis is. Maybe I think Thomas Keith Senate Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah you're right. You're Aso that needs to be fixed. That can ever find the time to do in these in these like sack Thompson Christian McCaffrey and DJBA DJ more. I was GONNA say will greer but yeah same. Maybe after the draft will have some. I got some audio snippet of whoever like the panthers draft? Brian get the play by play of Kyle Allen turning a potential fourth and one into a twenty five yard loss that would go along with the vibe of our podcast after receiving fine like the commentary from that life. Yeah so speaking of Horrible Memories So for this episode of the PODCAST. We're going to talk about what was a really great time experiencing it living through it and then turns out to be kind of a horrible memory in the two thousand fifteen. Nfl season so for espy nation steam. Week a what was the theme of the spread. It was the best teams to ever win a championship. Yup and I only have two choices because we've been to the super bowl twice and I don't think very many people would say that the two thousand three team was better than the two thousand fifteen team. Yeah in two thousand eight never really got a chance to even get close because Jake degrom. Yeah she doesn't thirteen team all four. They were good but but they were ready to go to the super bowl known now on top of that the panthers in the playoffs they had that they put a bunch of points on the seahawks and the seahawks did come back. Which if it wasn't for fucking Ron Rivera. That would have been enough. And we wouldn't have had to be sitting there in the fourth quarter wondering if they were gonNA blow this lead. But then the panthers absolutely fucking steamrolled. The cardinals team that team. That was really good in that. In that year like the panthers went into their own stadium and they blew them out. It was like they. They put up like fifty on the cardinals right. Forty nine forty nine. Yeah like a team that had been consistently almost as good as Carolina throughout the season and thirteen three in the regular season. And Yeah They. They beat a lot of teams really really convincingly so for Carolina to all of a sudden play them. I know there are a lot of people who predicted the cardinals to beat the panthers. Just because it seemed like the panthers season they had a lot of fluky winds and Carolina just destroyed them so like yeah I I can't disagree that like the this was definitely the best squad to have never won a super bowl for the panthers. Because you're just everybody going into to the fifteen and one super bowl like you just expect Carolina and win like they. The broncos barely beat the Patriots meanwhile the Panthers had put up thirty plus forty plus they put up thirty on the seahawks. And Forty on the cardinals. You just expected them to blown out like it didn't seem like it was going to be a game at all. Shame gets are good. I would say I think that if the panthers played that version of the Broncos nine times out of ten they would have won if they played ten times. Yeah I remember when the panthers way the cardinals it was like the winner of that game is the Super Bowl champion because them beating the Broncos Kinda formality because the broncos were not nearly as they told me before but like they're playing with painting Scorza quarterback of the other options Brock osweiler. And it was like. There's the panthers in the cardinals like upsets us. So there's no way they can keep up with them but they did and the defense was good enough to win that game. I mean the final score was twenty four to ten. But the broncos scored a defensive touchdown and then they also scored a touchdown because they had the ball the eight yard line yeah. Mike Tolbert fumbled the ball for the first time in his career. He fumbled twice and Jonathan Stewart. Fumble he also got injured to what Jon Stewart. Getting hurt I think is what really sealed the deal. Yeah he was the iron man for that for that group like obviously Cam. Newton was definitely the Superman of of that squad no pun intended but stop Jonathan Stewart. Was the iron man of that squad. I think it was kind of happened. Was the Hornets are the Hornets are basketball my TV? Panthers were so it they did get a lot of lucky breaks. They were really really good. It's only the luck. Throw into fifteen in one but they did get a lot of breaks over the course of the season and it was like the regression to the mean so to speak all happened all at once in the last game of the season. Yeah and ultimate in two thousand sixteen season. Yeah all mistakes. That players like that were very characteristic of players before but hadn't shown up during the regular season came back lay said like the the lack of fumbles. The turnover battle switched. Because I remember the panthers were extremely lucky with turnovers they got an interception or fumble recovery in the first quarter of every game to help jump out to leads and then all of that guy flipped for the last game of the season so it was like it was like damn burst. The dam of a bad luck burst. Yeah everything that had gone. Well for the panthers just shit on us it just shit on. Us I remember I. I'm trying to get some structure here so I want to say Let's talk about just because I was about to get into it. Our our personal experiences watching that Super Bowl After that let's get into just some of our better memories from the season and then let's talk about are like favorite players from that season or most surprising. Or just somebody you want to mention. Sp- shout out if that sounds good yeah So I remember. I watched the play offs in my parents basement or the entire on rand. Yes very on brand the not not anymore but at the time yes and I was also writing the recaps at the time which which was Super Fun because the panthers were really good so writing. The recaps was awesome I watched the play offs with at my parents. House usually in the basement and the seahawks game was stressful. But at the end the beginning I loved it because it was the Carolina beating the Shit Seattle and they almost came back then. I had a bunch of friends over for the cardinals game because now all of a sudden people are like Oh Shit Carolina might actually be good and they were like what is happening. What like who is this team. Because none of them were even knew a whole lot about the panthers. They just knew they were a good team that year. So they watched the panthers steamroll the cardinals like just and I was just sitting there like surprised I was like Holy Shit because I was fully expecting Carolina's hit the bed. Net game was the cardinals like they did it to us in two thousand eight. I haven't recovered from that still to this day and that the cardinals arguably at like the better team even though the panthers had a better record yeah they were still like like if you look at the two teams on paper. The cardinals were a better team. So then we watch the Super Bowl in the same group of friends came over. We were playing pool. We're having fun. And then it just went bad that Stewart touchdown I just remember being sad the entire time like everybody was like coming over like. Oh the pants will be fine. And I'm just sitting there like I don't know man like it. Just it was specifically after the Jericho. Khatri non catch where I was like. Fuck here we go. Classic Panthers Feeling of like well. This is my life now as a fan especially because that that team never gave us reason to believe that they come back because they were like I said earlier. They're playing from ahead like every single game that season. Yeah right they were. I wasn't teams out. Yeah Yeah so. There's no like it wasn't like the cardiac cats from two thousand three where it's like. Oh we're never out of it. These these guys have have spunk. It was just like wait. We're losing what does this? How does this work this happened? Yeah it was really the worst experience ever to be honest. Be Around my friends as their Shit Watson a dame enjoying enjoying the game and I'm just sitting there like my fucking God I have to write a recap about one of the greatest. Nfl SEASONS IN NFL history. Where the panthers didn't make honestly there's only like maybe maybe one or two teams who had a worse turn out as far as the super bowl goes based on their record like going from the regular season. I mean there was the Patriots Are you talking about like? Are you talking about like the how much how poorly they performed a relative to their regular season success? That's exactly what I'm saying. Yeah the probably the the Broncos team that got not nine later by the seahawks a couple of years before okay. Yeah like the other record was but I know they got beat like forty eight. That kind of takes the cake there but yeah Jayme over after the first drive when the on the first play of the game wasn't the first play of the game with the Center. Snap A head but yeah. I mean but you ever fifteen and one team to get manhandled on the Super Bowl is pretty unprecedented. Yeah and it's it's weird. How all that shit happened to. Because you know Wade Phillips knew how to scheme against our offense and stop it but I genuinely believe that. If Denver didn't pull off that come from behind win against the Patriots the panthers would have beaten the Patriots in the Super Bowl. They would have beaten them soundly at that. I believe I yeah. I don't think we're talking about the the best team to never win the Super Bowl if New England wins the AFC championship game. That year came elite. Three thousand three team or the two thousand thirteen team if the Patriots had played US instead of the Broncos and that's what's frustrating to me but the I knew the game was over when Khatri called it but was ruled incomplete. Like I knew that was it. You know I just had a feeling I was like. Yeah this that's it. I don't remember my like moment. I tend to like shift perspective really fast when things go poorly in sports that. I'm watching so I remember being sad but it wasn't like it was just like oh I know how this is going to go so he has hope for the best but expect the worst so in the game ended as well. Well that was fun and I know this this is GonNa make a lot of people mad. That are listening to it. But I really don't care I was mad quote unquote for about ten minutes. I got over it. I mean that's how I am with sports. I said Shit really. This is a sport. It's entertainment and caring so much where you're still bitter and still angry about it. Five years later is not healthy. If you are still mad about it and still bitter about it please get because it's not healthy to hold onto things like that anymore. I've learned that in my almost forty years of life now. Ten years ago fifteen years ago I would still be on the fuck Denver train but it's just not worth being mad. It's they get paid millions of dollars to entertain me. You know that's it. It's not life or death. It's very unhealthy to stress about things. Like it's it's commonly used to stress about things you can't control. You cannot control the performance of your favorite sports team meter when me being mad does not change one thing about that game. It doesn't bring it doesn't bring it back and have it. It doesn't it doesn't do anything except make me bitter and a better. I think the one thing that bothers me the most coming off that game was I sat down and wrote the recap even though I was sad at the time was just that. There was an overwhelming amount of optimism about the panthers because like they lost that game but they still had a really good core of people they had cam. Newton had Greg Olson to have keithly had Jonathan Stewart. They didn't have Kelvin. Benjamin that season they still made it to super bowl which we didn't know how bad government was You know there were so many talented players on that roster where it was like. We expected them to come back. After that season we were like okay. This could be better and then it just fucking blew up that following season when Josh Norman left You Know Kelvin. Benjamin came back. He wasn't nearly the player. Was We lost Michael To An injury and it all just like that show. It became a flash in the PAN rather than what should have been like a defining season to say. This is going to be a really good team for a while like it. Just that's the part that I hate the most about that. Super Bowl is that it looks like Carolina was GonNa be a contender and like potentially a dynasty and it just turned out to be one. Hit wonder apparently like yeah exactly but it happens. That is sports. That is sports. That is Sports Cam Newton. I want to also touch on this because a lot of people did not like the fact that Cam Newton was named NFL MVP in two thousand. Fifteen yeah you can kindly take that opinion and shove it. He was to ninety six four ninety five which is fifty nine point. Eight completion percentage if he would have completed one more pass he would have been an elite quarterback. It's a shame that he could not do that. He threw for thirty eight hundred yards. Thirty five touchdowns ten interceptions. He had ten rushing touchdowns as well as six hundred rushing yards so he was responsible for almost forty five hundred yards forty five touchdowns and between ten and fifteen turnovers because he had five fumbles. I don't know if all of those are considered lost. Fumbles orifice just fumbles. So and he was doing this with Philly Brown. Ted Gannon Jericho Khatri as his wide receivers and Britain Burson was his fourth wide receiver. Greg Olsen was his number one target with eleven hundred yards and seven touchdowns. How in the hell can you justify giving the MVP to literally anyone else cam? Newton won fifteen games with Ted ginn Jericho Khatri and Philly Brown as his wide receiving Grand Bremerton and Brenton Bersin I mean they scored five hundred points. That was number one in the league. They averaged thirty one point three points per game. They allow three hundred and eight. They gave up nineteen point three points per game. They had the sixth best scoring defense in the league. They I don't remember the exact number and I didn't find it and I didn't feel like looking too deep into it but I'm sure they had the number one turnover margin in the league because that's why they went fifteen and one. We've already touched on it. There turnover margin was insanity. I believe you're correct. They they they had a streak of turnovers and I think it was. What ten or eleven games or they had a turnover in every game and I mean it was nuts. Leukemia had talked back turnovers. They pay this turnover in every single game that season. Okay okay. I knew it was something crazy. Like no one. There's one game they didn't. They didn't four servings the seahawks and but like it does not look like a turnover column after that it was like four two two five three one four. That's how many turnovers a game. They're forcing. Yeah it was insane and leuke. Klay had back to back. Pick sixes in the playoffs. Yup Against Seattle and against Arizona had pick six in each game that that to get into the like what I enjoyed the most from the two thousand fifteen season that season really cemented. Luke keithly as not just a really good linebacker. It's cemented him. As one of the best players I've ever seen play like he was insane in two thousand fifteen on. Never Forget. I was watching the Dallas cowboys game. I was GonNa say this season where we beat the shit out of Tony. Romo on Thanksgiving. Yeah we we not only. That was the first time. Not the first of two different situations where a quarterback came back from injury and the panthers put him back on the injury report. But I remember watching the game and Luke. Kuechley made that pick six against the against Tony Romo which by the way. Kirk Coleman also had a pick six on the first drive the cowboys that Game Kirk Bowman. It's snacks under him. On the head. As he scored a touchdown he's straight up. Disrespected Tony Romo on the way into the end zone but I remember watching him run also holy fuck you look defensive back running right now like and then on the next drive the next throw by Tony Romo. He picked it off again like I was like Holy. Shit like that game specifically like. I've never seen a defensive player who who was like that. Who had that kind of impact throughout a season like? I think that there's probably a few in the conversation as far as like J. J. Watt and obviously players that. I didn't personally get to watch growing up. But that was the season that cemented luke equally as one of the best linebackers of all time because he just was a complete game. Changer which something you don't see from linebackers nowadays. Yeah here's a couple of Trivia questions without looking how many overtime wins did the panthers have One I was GONNA say to wrecked. They beat they. Because Ted Ted ginn dropped a touchdown at the end of the game. I forgot about that. Oh my that's that's used in the difference between completion percentage and accuracy because he put it right in his hands again alligator armed. How many Games did the panthers win? By less than a touchdown touchdown I mean the general definition of touchdown as in seven points. Not Going to seven eight nine nine nine. Both of you were wrong. Brian. You're closer. They won five games by less than a touchdown. Geez how many games. And how many games did they win by one possession by one possession? I do mean by eight points fewer nine and seven so a couple of games Bhai nine points to. That's probably why you thought nine. So I'll I'll go into what I was GONNA say. As my memory of the season was the two things. The constant like lack of credit panthers got as the seasons went on. Yeah people yeah. Yeah Big Joe Yell. At worst fourteen year old team ever worse. Thirteen not as the season went on to the point where they were underdogs teno and they were underdogs against three and seven cowboys on things. We out of them with Tony. Romo coming off an injury to whole like we're the home team. Was that either way the pay pretending. Oh they just beat Washington forty four to sixteen the week before in Dallas had lost every game or one in seven. Since Tony Romo got hurt too I don't know but The other thing which is probably why my my guess is so high because it felt like it had been every single week was the pants would get out onto the huge leads and then just like pedaling away because was like all right. It's halfway through the second quarter and by three touchdowns let's start pounding the rockaways the clock. Yes and that's part of the reason. Why like Ham could have had much better staffs if he was allowed to like? Throw the ball in the second half. Yeah yeah probably thrown for five thousand yards. If they didn't run the ball on the second hand Iran I was talking to my brother the other day and he said he was watching the giants game from that season. And that's very as infamous for like the Cam Newton head shaped the head like the nod ways. All right I got this. Wasn't that offered the Josh Norman. Oj Yeah but the panthers thirty five to seven with five and a half minutes left in the third quarter and the giants tied. The game with a minute forty-six left in the fourth quarter at thirty five. Thirty five yeah and that that that was the season to me the the panthers were blowing them out for most of the game and then that should be enough we can call it quits here and then cameras. Save them at the end and that happened a couple of times against Indianapolis in the overtime game on the Seattle in the playoffs It happened one other time too and I can't remember which game it was now but there was one other game that we had to do that. I'm pulling up the game by game right now. Palm means I think it was the saints because we beat them by three points. The panthers are on the colts. Twenty three to six with ten minutes left in the game and they were trailing overtime at one point they gave him twenty points in the fourth quarter and overtime to the to the To The saints the Pants were up. Twenty seven to sixteen in the third quarter. Which isn't terrible. But then they gave up fifteen straight points to go to fall behind. Took one of the greatest interceptions of all time from Josh Norman. To seal that win that was the first game the are up. Twenty seven to seven on the packers at halftime. That was the PAT. Yeah and How does that game in game because I feel like that game? They won't eight were. They won. Miss Davis made a major intersection. Right at the goal line was that it was at that point. I remember that play at and if it was yeah I believe house. The other game I couldn't think of it was the packers game. That season took years off my life. So Thomas Davis intercepted Aaron Rodgers in the end zone with at the two minute warning and so the panthers came out nice game by running for one yard with John. Stewart running for one yard with by Tolbert running for five yards of John Stewart. And then putting to give the packers of all back which is only six seconds left but still that was just like perfectly emblematic of the strategy for that season. Damn hate era. I the two thousand fifteen taught me because of that Kinda Shit that I can't let myself get too involved like get too invested because in the end it doesn't matter in Iran Iran. Hopefully rules not going to rule but anyway go ahead now. I'm I think that's the end of it. And then there's the seahawks game like we talked about but I think as good as the team was in that was also kind of planted the seed like in my brain like Ron avair. Maybe isn't the guy that need is. The team needs to lead them to consistent success. Because he's having the best season his team has ever had had and they are barely beating teams after they get up to like three score leads on a consistent basis like there's no way it's that hard. Oh when you're thirty thirty one to nothing to us at halftime and you can barely barely hold onto win. Does that happen? Do you guys remember when Ron Rivera made the fucking comment about? We want to twist the knife when we're up up on teams and he just never fucking did that. That was the epitome of it. Was the two thousand fifteen season when he was like. We want to twist the knife. We WanNA WE WANNA blow these teams out. Any never fucking did that. He always took him out of like he took them back like two years. Whenever they have like three touchdown lead in hindsight. It's so frustrating. And even the Games where they did go on to blow out teams like wire-to-wire. It wasn't because they kept their foot on the gas so it was just because they're usually playing bad teams because I think they might have had the weakest schedule in the League that year but they would just get in they would just get turnovers and the other team would just not be competent to put together drops. It wasn't like depends still coming out there. Like what's in quarterbacks and Colin pathways in stuff matching their opponents. Yeah it might not have been the weakest schedule but it was in the lower It was like bottom five in the league and that was where the whole. This is the worst undefeated team ever. Shit came from everybody who said well. Your strength of schedule is like thirtieth. Thirty two You should be winning all these games and all that other I will always for fifteen for a couple of things number one. Of course we go fifteen in one in the regular season. And of course the Goddamn Falcons of the team that beat US. Because why would it be any other team number two? I thoroughly enjoyed the first half against the seahawks in the playoffs. I've never enjoyed football more than I did that. Half 'cause fuck fuck them. The first play from scrimmage is a fifty eight yard run by Jonathan Stewart. Where just about any other running back in the league scores because they don't run a gas after they've run fifty yards but to be fair? Jonathan Stewart had been out for three weeks because he was hurt which he always was hurt. But you know we score the touchdown on that opening drive and then the second play the seahawks run the they they force a pick. Six and the route is on. And then obviously we've already said it turned into a damn nail biter. Thomas Davis had to recover. Fuck it onside kick. Who AFTER BEING UP THIRTY ONE TO NOTHING? It had absolutely nonsensical And then I really enjoyed the NFC championship game although I felt sorry for Carson Palmer. I don't think I've ever felt sorry for another team quarterback as much as I have felt for Carson Palmer that they could do nothing that day like they were they were out of it. By halftime. There was nothing they could do to stop that onslaught. Now that defense had no answer and their offense just continued to turn the ball over. It was not fun like they even had there was a punt return. Patrick Peterson tried to return a punt. And then he fumbled it clearly. He was clearly trying to do too much on the return. Yeah I mean that they were desperate at that point and it just everything they did. It just blew up their face thousand eight season for the two thousand eight season when we run the ball down their throat on the opening drive and then John Fox decides hey. Let's just let jake throw it around the old backyard now. Like what the Fuck Karmic justice? Brad that's what it was so I I've been doing some research pro. Football reference has a strength of schedule like metric thing and it's like zero is average in the higher the higher. The number is the hardest. The lower numbers. The easier schedule is the panthers Schedule rating in two thousand fifteen was minus three point eight. There's been nobody already goes to like negative for The I have not the The next easiest found Cincinnati is negative minus two point seven. Now there's a minus three in that same season. And it was falcons their minus three point four so we just the NFC south because he NFC's alphabet and they played year after the twenty fourteen where we went seven eight one and won the division so we had six games against a shit division. Yeah we played. Afc South who who were won by the tax into a nine and seven. And who else do we play the? Nfc East you're ten. Were were bad. Yeah the cowboys are four. And twelve giants or six and ten beagles are Saturnine in Washington. Wanted Division at nine seven so we play bad divisions but yeah basically the easiest schedule in in recent history that season. So they're very good. You can only play. Who's on your schedule? Pru like pro. Football reference else is like a metric that combines like your point your point differential with your strength of schedule in the panthers as he's mostly because they're sees their schedule so easy. Yeah but that's also that's also skewed by Ron Rivera. Taking forty point leads in making the middle ten point wins so instead of making him sixty point leads. Yeah so is that there is that so to end off the episode. I just want to take some time to highlight the players that we enjoyed the most. And the guy that actually. I'm GonNa let you guys go that way. If you want you can just change it so brat. Neither one of us are going to say. Britain Burson Brian. That's not who I was GONNA say. Why don't you? I really enjoy Greg. Olsen that year. He had eleven hundred yards receiving had seven touchdowns seventy seven catches. That doesn't even really reflect. How good he was that. No it doesn't and that's that's the amazing. You know he but he was. He was a beast that year. How could you not Cam Newton? That's my answer who's VP. Because only the best player that lets the easy choice. Yeah I'm GonNa say these choice I'm GonNa do it. We'll take it go ahead take it bigger. We would all pick somebody. That's not cam because that's the obvious I want to remember. Can because he's not here anymore. Neither is greg now. I don so fucked. Now we're back to where we started that Tell us why you love Brenton Bersin so much. So it's not Brenton Bersin though I will say I am still right to this day in two thousand fourteen. I said he was going to make the roster and he did and he stayed so fuck you Brenton Bersin Fan sir. Not Not fans haters so I really appreciate it Philly Brown in two Thousand Fifteen. Because he was a guy who shouldn't have been there but he got the opportunity because of Kelvin. Benjamin obviously being hurt and they just had nobody else I almost picked Jericho Khatri. Because he was just he was great too. But the thing that people are GonNa Forget about the two thousand fifteen season. Because the panthers didn't win the Super Bowl is philly. Brown took a key to lead to town in that Super Bowl. He he got concussed. I think on his fourth reception to lead grabbing the facemask in-intentionally no. It was after that when he felt like he caught a downfield pass. That was like it was a long pass and he hit that he hit the turf and he was out for the rest of the game but he was taking a keep to lead to school and Matt. Game White Illman caught four passes but every time he beat a keep to leave like senselessly and I was the whole time. I was like Philly Brown. Should be the MVP. If we somehow win this game he was so good and he was even better in the game before that Billy Brown had I know. Most of it was on a long touchdown but he had like two hundred hold on. We find it where I'm guessing. He had a heart in yards and four hundred thirteen yards against the against the cardinals too so like he showed up in the playoffs. So it sucks because Ilie Brown didn't do anything after leaving Carolina but he was really good for them that year so he was my on some hero of the two thousand fifteen panthers. Yeah I remember. He was beaten to keep police a bad that keep to leave got mad and news just like. I'M GONNA intentionally swim around by his face mask incidents other five anyway. Independently won't count against. Yeah that was. Absolute Bush. League hated notable scumbag. A keep to lead Yup. The breaker of chains seriously keep delayed. Yeah for real fucking those people fucking And also fuck the field by the way. Fuck the field Mr Brewer. Because there are several gifts of Michael. Oher literally on skates getting pushed back by demarcus ware. So fuck that field. Because that's part of the reason why the panthers didn't win I don't know if I want to talk about this anymore guest. It's time to someday. Yeah Yeah So. That was our breakdown of the best team in Carolina History to not win the championship and it was pleasure. It was pleasurable at times. But it sucked in the end and we're all going to have to live with it so and didn't get worse from the Super Bowl onward like we we recovered and we've we've been to the playoffs every year ever since and everything's Great Yup. They totally didn't totally sixteen didn't happen. Two thousand eighteen didn't happen. Two Thousand Nineteen didn't happen. That was really the start. The start of the long downhill road for the Ron Rivera era. Yup and Ron has gone now. They didn't capitalize on what was a pristine window to super bowl sell. Yeah things are great but hey get the future ahead so maybe things would be better. Who knows but anyway from all of us here at the keep sounding podcast. Thank you for listening. This is our breakdown of the best team to never would've super bowl and hopefully we don't have to talk about that anytime soon again. This Brian joined by Brad John. And you guys next Mandak when we need many content. Yeah and we're told to do this by munition. That's not what happened transparency. See you later bye.

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Part Two: The Bastards Who Killed the Black Panthers

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Part Two: The Bastards Who Killed the Black Panthers

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Every new podcast August watch out for years. Welcome back to behind the bastards. The only podcast passed on the Internet. That you are listening to right now. Presumably using mobile podcasts at once I'm concerned Yeah Yeah Yeah I would no way but it's not impossible no way retaining anything. You're missing a lot. Yes and this is a podcast about the worst people in in all of history. And we're doing a bit of an odd episode because we're focusing a lot On on some folks who I think are are pretty cool dudes But last episode was to build old up to the bastards who tried to destroy them so this episode about the FBI and law enforcement tried to take down the Black Panther other party My guest part two as with part one is prop propaganda a hip hop artist. In podcast. Or Yourself Yo Yo. I'm just glad to be here smiling so much to have you here. We've been really happy to have your perspective and excited to get into the rest of this so we talked about the Mulford Act in the last episode which which stopped the Black Panthers from carrying loaded weapons in the State California But did not stop the Black Panthers from loving themselves some firearms Weapons training stockpiling. It remained a big part of what they did and I found an archive of magazines published by the Black Panther community news service which was like their essentially they're media network And one issue from nineteen sixty nine included this cartoon Which Sophie can show you? Yeah and I guess I can describe it. You can describe if you'd like to describe it. Yes so this is from the the Black Panther. They take my laptop magazine that they ran. Yeah magazines so it's like it's aren't familiar with their style of animation mation but it's like thick animation style illustrations like thick like out black outlined characters like that are just kinda shaded in Grays And yellow orange letters in blue letters. It's like a black family we I think that's a child but the child looks like an adult animation style. And it's kind of like a cartoon or like a like a comic strip but the brothers brother's got a good fro. Both the brothers got a good fro. Assist is a got a nice little hair wrap on. Yeah I must say yeah. Yeah Yeah Yeah. What's what's going on in cartoon It says so. Dad's got his hand on the shoulders of Little Homey and he says son. What do you want for Christmas? I can't really make out what to read. What the son says he wants for Christmas? A machine gun a shotgun a box of hand grenades a box walks of dynamite and I think a box of handguns is the sixty nine hundred sixty nine. And then there's some stuff written around the edges of the cartoon including off the pig blow oink oink away and snipe the hawks do Yeah Yeah W. A. Right here. Yeah really intense. Yes on his way to like the after police Yeah Yeah and violence against the police. This was a constant refrain in in Black Panther periodicals and it was usually framed as necessary self defense against an oppressive and violent force in there. Is this kind of unavoidably. Would it be gleeful tone. And some of the discussions against violence against law enforcement. which I think is really uncomfortable for a lot of particularly kind of middle of the road? Centrist political people to due to to deal with To to like except but There's there's a reason for this. Yeah Yeah they're in. That's what this episode is about is like dry. There was so much paranoia and hatred of the police not justice sort of like the violence against against Blackpool by law enforcement but specifically because the panthers new the police were targeting them And as the sixties turned into seventies an increasing amount of their anti law unfortunate rhetoric focused on the Federal Bureau of Investigations. And I found a really interesting website. Black power in American history It appears to be a graduate student project from UNC. See a Chapel Hill and they analyzed piles of old Black Panther magazines and noted they would claim that if the Black Panthers did not join or follow a particular course of action. Disaster will result an example sample of this was seen in the article published on January Ninth Nineteen seventy-one when it read when a pig is caught dirty snooping and shows you his badge and begs for mercy mercy him to death with the butt of your gun towards the bottom it also reads kill the pigs before they kill you. The pigs here are referring to undercover FBI agents that were sent to infiltrate the Party and cause internal unrest and again. This is really uncomfortable. Rhetoric for a lot of folks to read but it wasn't it wasn't just spawned from bloodthirsty nece the FBI and the police were engaged in an active battle to destroy the Black Panthers into murder. Many of their leaders in this period of time and a lot of folks would have just called them. Conspiratorial would have said they were sort of making stuff up because they're paranoid All of these fears were proved valid by documentation. That later came out which we'll get to at the end of this episode. There's a a good tie into like modern time especially like you know the the the community that spawned the hip hop music that most most of US kind of consider golden age. I these were our dads are moms like so even just like you know eighty song from. NWEA the police like this is injust. It's hard it's hard if you're not here to understand that like you know ice t's cop killer it's like okay you. You think that this is a like a honorable like officer position. That job is a job of person that carries prestige and honor. It's like that is not our experience with the police your experiences this is another gang right. It's just the law protects them you know so you have this attitude towards him. There's another song by I feel like your your your taste in hip hop would know if I'd say J. Dila you know what I'm saying so like you like more of the obscure doom tree stuff. I'll be listening to listen. You know saying you know Takes J. J. diller who has also has a semiconductor police in the ideas like the backstory of that song was like there was false tip that he was engaged in some criminal activity and the police raided his mom's basement. You know destroyed with all these things. It's like destroyed hard drive stuff like this guy's like recording albums for you know Tribe called quest like he's recording albums for for BUSTA rhymes. Sounds like all these like main major like like you guys asked Hurrell Timberland produces. They're all like we got our swing from J.. Diller you know an unlike in Delhi so Dila wrote this guy like you just rated my so. He made that song that day like after the police raided his mom's basement and destroy Roy just volumes and volumes of music. That none of us will never get now. You know what I'm saying So the attitudes like you're you're bullies. You're not policing us you are bullies. You know so i. It's it's hard not to respond that way but so if you understand I was a long statement but if you understand like our relationship with law and I say this as somebody who's like my brother's a highway patrol officer you know what I'm saying like we have law enforcement in our family you you know but the institution since this day like course through our veins our grandparents our great grandparents father's others you know what I'm saying like this is our relationship with the police. Sorry that just as so triggering no I just and just as a way to kind of make that point just into the modern era because we're talking but decades ago and most of this episode I've had a two thousand fifteen article in the Washington Post About civil asset forfeitures. which is what happens when police take your stuff? Without recourse of course versus burglary doesn't fourteen Police civil asset forfeiture totaled more than five billion dollars worth of property. She took five billion dollars is worth property with no recourse really from people burglaries accounted for less than four billion dollars. Worth of theft. GATT does so like when you're making that comparison between police the burglars. There's some numbers you can throw out. That are very compelling Yeah that's that's probably enough for now. Yeah so in Nineteen fifty-six the FBI launched its co Intel pro operation Co Intel pro usually see it written in all caps is one word. It's an acronym initially aimed at targeting. Getting Communist organizers in the United States it was later expanded to strike at groups like the KKK but Thanks in large part to J. Edgar Hoover in the late nineteen sixties the F. B. I.. Cohen pro operations focused increasingly and primarily on the Black Panthers. This was a sophisticated and complex operation. Hoover himself wrote one of our primary. Mary aims and counterintelligence as it concerns the key is to keep the group isolated from the moderate black and white community which may support it. And I'm going to quote again from the Book Black Against Empire here. The federal agents sought to create factionalism among the party leaders in between the panthers and other black political organizations. FBI operatives forged documents. Paid provocateurs is to promote violent conflicts between Black Panther leaders as well as between the Party and other black nationalist organizations and congratulated themselves in these conflicts yielded the killing of panthers and Co Intel pro sought to lead the party into unsupportable actions creating opposition to the BP on the part of the majority of the residents of the ghetto areas for example agent provocateurs. Tour's on the government payroll supplied explosives to panther members and sought to incite them to blow up public buildings and they promoted kangaroo courts encouraging panther members to torture inspected informants. Yeah yes so. That's it so that's so you know illuminating because it's like you're in the room it's like you're in a room with like rational people even somebody else from the back you should just punch him in the pot you just like who said that right. And then everybody goes you there about their about punching in the but like like well who first of all who punches in the button number one. You know what I'm saying. But then but just then planting these people to push them in the places that make other people uncomfortable and then that becomes the narrative yeah is clearly so effective yeah. It was very effective in very insidious. Yeah and we'll get into the numbers a little bit later of how much they spent on this for a specific example of how this process worked and we need to turn to nineteen sixty eight when J. Edgar Hoover sent a memorandum to fourteen FBI field offices noting that a state of gang warfare existed between a group called the US organization a Black Nationalist Group and the panthers. There's now us is a complicated organization. they're founder among other things. Is that the guy who created Kwanza And we're not GONNA do them justice in this episode for today's as purposes. What's important to know? Is that US in. The Panthers had a lot of disagreements on how to achieve black liberation and they competed aggressively for new recruits Through a network of informants the the FBI learned this and hoover noted that they'd seen evidence that there had been threats of murder between some members he took notice of. This ordered what he called imaginative and hard hitting counterintelligence our intelligence measures aimed at crippling the be in order to fully capitalize in his words on the rivalry and exploit all avenues of creating further dissension the FBI ordered its informants in US To tell members when the BP planned to have events that US could also show up and both in organizations would wind up in conflict. They did whatever are they could to stoke hatred between both groups including having their paid informants spread rumors about either side to the other group rumors about like them. They're being hits planned murders Raising the temperature that was the goal And this all came to a boil At an event your father was at January seventeenth nineteen sixty nine When Apprentice Carter and John Huggins were gunned down by US members on the UCLA campus? Yeah it just just. It's like junior high all over again only with like murder. Yeah extent you know yeah. It's so sad man. Yeah POPs was at that anyway. Continue sorry the Black Panther seemed to instinctively know what was going on And their magazines declared the murders a political killing They pointed out that US received government funding and had a working relationship with the police. The also noted that seventeen panthers were arrested in the immediate wake of the murders while it took much longer for the law to get take action against the actual killers were members of us Now only some of the FBI HIS Co.. Until pro fucker has been declassified at this point so we'll never know oh the exact extent to which the bureau planned all this. There are allegations that what happened at UCLA was an ordered hit others were argue that the FBI definitely intended for there to be murdered but they weren't trying to stoke specific murders so they wanted to raise the temperature to wear murders were inevitable. But they weren't saying on this date. Kill these people. There's also allegations that they were in fact saying on this date eight kill. These people ops debate. It's my belief was like yeah. They had a list. This who supposed to die you know. Yeah Yeah Yeah. And we can verify that they absolutely specifically intended to stoke violence wrote. We want to make these people kill each other like that that that we know To to appoint of certainty whatever the truth about how specific they were about the violence. They wanted The violence like happened. It was very much stoked by the FBI on May twenty third and nine hundred sixty nine Black Panther John Savage was killed by us. Members Sylvester Bell was murdered in August. Now most of the information behind all this didn't come out until a series of court battles in the late nineteen seventies so particularly like white people. Reading about this at the time would have just said. Oh these these black liberation groups are also violent violent. Look at what they're doing to each other ignoring the fact that it was their F. B. I.. Stoking all this yeah. I found a really good at New York Times. Article From nineteen seventy eighty six. When this started to come out that goes into detail about everything here and it notes that the bureau working with the Chicago? Police Department also sought to create violent divisions between the panthers and the Blackstone Rangers which are now a much more complicated organization at that point. Were a street gang in Chicago. Yeah quote for example. A fake note was sent to the leader of the street gang. Jeff Jeff Four telling him the panthers hostility towards his group saying they're supposed to be a hit out for you in noting that that this meant there was probably a contract to kill someone the Chicago F. B. I.. Office office set in a memorandum to headquarters that the letter may intensify the degree of animosity between the two groups and occasion forced to take retaliatory action. which could disrupt the BP or lead to reprisals cels against their leadership so the sins this fake letter about a hit and specifically? We're hope we think this is going to make them angrier at each other and might stoke violence and that's go. Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah. It's just it's just like can we just like okay acknowledged that like week. You can't make this stuff up. No you can't make this stuff up you know it's one thing that's really frustrating about this is that it. It spreads so far even outside love among the entire left-wing activists community. I spent a lot of time in that community For my work and there are constant modern fears about Cohen. To- pro stuff. Union like like white activist group primarily white activist groups of FBI informants and stuff like you find this like this fear among like a lot of members of anti fascist street groups right. Now that there's agent provocateur you too and maybe there are like it's like that's thing they did it. There is precedence. Yes Yeah Yeah Yeah. There's really no limit to what you might be worried. The FBI will do Ludi your activist group because this shit happened. Yeah yeah now. I'm going to quote again from that New York Times article. The report portrays a campaign in which the bureau used a legion of Informers. Sometimes it's provocateurs close cooperation with local police. Anti radical squads to sow confusion fear and dissension among the panthers cartoons attacking them purportedly from rival groups expr- distributed to aggravate antagonisms. Stories were planted with newspaper and television outlets put the panthers and their supporters in a bad light. Bogus messages were sent to cause rifts between the party and its white leftist supporters so this was a comprehensive campaign. Imagine this in like the Internet age. Just be like yeah just trolls attacking your comments section for the the purpose of Yeah it'll be thirty years. Yeah Anyway Yeah We. It'll probably probably be a few years before the extent to which that stuff's going on out now and you know what to be entirely honest. It's possible that none of it now is the FBI that it's all for example. Government government like private corporations attracted by government agencies. Or whatever like who knows. Yeah the FBI's probe campaign seriously disrupted the Black Panthers but it did not stop them from expanding. Throughout the late sixties early nineteen seventies. The organization was under constant stress. Though in this was not helped by the fact that for some strange reason it's leaders kept getting imprisoned in assassinated why started committing crimes is just off the rails. Yeah I think we'll start on this subject subject by talking about what happened to Hugh EP Newton's yeah on October twenty seventh nineteen sixty seven. He walked down to his girlfriend's House on Telegraph Avenue in Oakland and it was a Friday night and they were going to party but she wound up feeling sick and instead linton per car to take out on the town he had a drink at the bar and then went to a church social where he danced until around two Liam then he drove to a party which left at around four. Am that early morning October. Twenty Eighth Officer John Fray of the Oakland police was sitting in his squad car he saw Huey drive drive past and recognized his plates. We don't know precisely if the bureau had local cops keeping tabs on Huey was FBI directed operation or if the Oakland cops on their own were just is wanting to fuck with huey either is entirely possible but without any apparent cause John Fray made one of the last mistakes of his life he pulled Huey p Newton over here's how SF Jeff Weekly describes. What happened next officer? Herbert C Haynes rolled up on the scene shortly after Frei had radioed for backup the officers told Newton to get out of the bug and marched him to the back of Hanes is is patrol car Newton and phrase started scuffling on the trunk of his car. A gun went off. Hanes was hitting the right forearm. Hanes fired back. Hitting Newton in the gut. More shots were fired. He's I was shot three times and survived. Newton took that bullet to the gut and fled the scene with mckinney. which is a friend he was with freight was shot? Five Times died he had been on the force for a little over a year and had a three year zero daughter. He was only twenty three but all of them involved in the melee. Were well under thirty. Now we don't know what actually happened. Newton claims to have blacked out after being shot which which totally reasonable and speculates that the COP shod each other and all of the recovered bullets came from police. Revolvers speculation on what went down raiders from Huey grabbing a COP's gun and shooting them both to him resisting when the cops started beating him and then them shooting each other in error To An attempted assassination if you buy the Oakland PD gone horribly wrong. I don't know what exactly went down but I do. Think additional context on officer. James Fray is useful here and I'M GONNA quote from Black Against Empire Fray had been implicated located in numerous incidents of racism h Bruce Bison. An English teacher who invited free to speak about. Police work to his class at Clayton Valley. High School reported that Frei had told the class that in words in the neighborhood he patrolled were a lot of bad types and the trial eventually held to adjudicate the events of that early morning. Elford dunning accountant for Prudential Life. Insurance testified that Frei had recently harassed him during a traffic accident and when dunning complained that fray was acting like a stop-go free loosened his holster put his hand on his gun and said I am the Gestapo Dapo into the police car not out best. Yeah that's the quiet Bart. Ah Yes earlier. On the evening that Huey Newton and gene mckinney drove to soul food on seventh street fray had intervened in a dispute between a black grocery clerk named Daniel King and a white man without pants on who claimed king had stolen his pants as quoting two kings Frei called him in word and held his arm so the white man could beat him. So this is the guy who winds winds up. I don't have trouble believing that it was self defense. It's entirely possible that both of them fucked up Or that both of them were trying to kill Huey and shot each other. Yeah who has any scenario works. Yeah but obviously Huey EP. Newton gets charged with murder as a result of of the shooting. Death of officer James Bright And in prison he became a living martyr to the Black Panthers. There was a rally rally on his twenty sixth birthday February Seventeenth nineteen sixty eight that brought more than six thousand people to the Oakland arena. H Rap Brown and black power activist told the crowd the the only thing that is going to free. Huey Newton is gun powder and this actually wound up being an accurate. He received his day in court which revealed among other things. Frei had a list of twenty Black Panther vehicles on the dashboard of his car. When he died he was initially convicted of voluntary manslaughter and sent to prison? But in May of nineteen eighteen seventy that conviction was reversed after the California Court of Appeals Down significant errors in the trial. He would be tried two more times. Both trials ending and jury deadlocks before he was eventually cleared cleared of all charges in nineteen. Seventy one so he has cleared by the courts but he loses two years of his life to the prison My mom used to 'cause yeah. My mom used to call me h rap brown just for. She's doing for jokes. You H rap brown whenever I was talking about black stuff anyway. Those funny now. Bobby Seale also caught serious legal trouble in nineteen sixty-nine as a result of his participation in the nineteen sixty eight Chicago riots over the Democratic Credit National Convention that years. DNC occurred in one of the most famous periods in American history and again. This is another thing that we probably should do. A whole episode about like not GonNa get into enough detail on the sixty eight riot. Yeah the short story. Is that Bobby Kennedy who was like the progressive icon. At the time had been gunned down the night. He won the California primary Hubert Humphrey. The former vice president hadn't actually participated in any of the primaries but was favored to become the candidate during the convention because he was beloved by establishment. Democrats progressives leftist hated. Him and I am sure this is a situation that has since familiar to and yes The nineteen sixty eight riots like sort of resulted out of all this and they were nightmarish. Arish caused in large part by the fact that the Mayor of Chicago Richard Daley turned the city into what Walter cronkite called a police state leading up to the event. The police turned on left-wing protesters with unspeakable violence in the city burned. The whole ugly event is among other things. A big part of what inspired Hunter Thompson to write fear and loathing in Las Vegas. He was there at the time and it it was just this big. Ugly nightmare largely instigated by state violence against protestors who were unhappy that the DNC had picked basically a conservative guy to run against fucking Nixon. Yeah Yeah Yeah and in nineteen and a for a little bit of context all of the people who know their history right now are fucking terrified fide the DNC and to me. It's going to be another sixty eight Chicago same. Yeah Yeah Yeah. I felt like watching the last eight hours like A. Ah Go again. We'll be bringing my helmet. Yeah in one thousand nine hundred. Sixty nine bobby. Seale was arrested for conspiracy to incite riots at the DNC and he was likely targeted for this because you know he was a co founder of the Black Panthers and the FBI wanted him dead or in prison. And ideally both The court refused to let seal choose. Choose his own lawyer when he spoke up and complained that his constitutional rights were being violated. The judge ordered him bound and gagged so he is bound and gagged during his own trial in terms of how. Yeah Yeah. That's another one of those like okay. Play some SPA music. Think about that second just really ruminate on ruminate on the fact that this man was not allowed to pick his own lawyer yeah and then when he complained about it. They gagged him. And you tell me so which one of us is like oppressive. Oh president violent which one of us is violent. You know now when he did. Get to speak Bobby repeatedly called the judge government attorneys racists fascists and lying pigs this. This was pretty true in my opinion. Not Eight in his defense bobby out loud just like let's play play a long game. He was sentenced to four years in prison and he served twenty one months before his conviction was reversed and he was freed in nineteen seventy-one so again he has almost almost two years. Stolen from you Now while all this was going on the panthers were taking huge sums of money The arrest of Huey p Newton in particular drew in enormous amounts of donations as thousands of men and women joined all across the country. The fundraisers grew more and more successful in as it tends to do all this money caused massive disagreements and fights between different chapters of the party. The New York chapter being the most successful fundraisers were particularly incensed that they had not been allowed to keep what they thought was their fair share of the money they'd raised for the group These were this sort of disagreement that any kind of political organization is going to have especially as they grow and start up and they could have been smoothed over but for the fact that a large chunk of the most respected Panther leadership. Your ship the men who might have been able to work these conflicts out. We're in prison. Or in the case of Fred Hampton dead. Can't we now. 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Only at a sleep number store or sleepnumber dot dot com slash iheart that sleepnumber dot com slash iheart sleep number's official sleep and wellness partner of the NFL. All right I couldn't wait to get to Fred Hampton. I feel like I've been sitting here wondering why you were getting antsy and they're different Because when you get the three it's like this is the trinity that like paints the best pitcher as to how they got destroyed. Because it's like it's like you ask ten different panthers is what the Black Panthers where you only get ten different answers you know pinning on which one of these figureheads you're appealing to you. Know what I'm saying So that's why I was like you got to have the third a person doesn't make don't make sense. Yeah Yeah Yeah and we you know I. It was one of those things I had to debate. Include Fred Hampton in part one or part two and I thought it was best to kind of lay the groundwork in one and then bring up because hacking life is so tied in with the police violence because his story I tied with like the Black Messiah stuff like it's you have to wait till they don't because he's the most like likeable if you will all of them so it's like build the narrative and then it's like Oh God now there's a guy that's likable. Yeah Yeah So. Let's let's talk. I mean I find Huey A.. And Bobby Pretty Likable too. Yeah Fred hand is the charismatic guy. Yes so fred. Hampton was born on August thirtieth nineteen forty eight and he grew up in the suburbs of Chicago He was gifted academically physically from a very young age At one point dreamed of playing for the Yankees but as he grew into young man and the injustice evident around him in America made anything that a revolutionary career impossible for Fred. And I'M GONNA quote now from twitter threat. I found on Fred Hampton by Michael. Oh Harriet who is a senior writer at the root and he knows a lot about Hampton and you know obviously. It's a twitter thread. I did do my work like double jeopardy claims and stuff. And he's very accurate here so I'm going in a quote from him like the others he's referring to the other. Black Panther leaders Hampton started out with mainstream black organizations. By the time he was a teenager he was organizing his own youth chapter of the in double ACP in his small Illinois suburb in a single year he had five hundred members of this. Sounds like hype. Consider this when Hampton attended his first Black Panther Party meeting in November nineteen eighteen sixty eight the FBI had already opened a file on him a year earlier. His phone had been tapped for nine months he'd been designated as a key leader on the FBI's agitator index checks for five months before he ever joined the party. He's just he's a g like that's did what it's like. You take all of the best attributes attributes of everybody so far and then you're like put it in a guy who has like the entertaining ability of like Michael Jackson uses like you can lose you know. So that's he gives me chills when I think about his ability electrify a room. Yeah yeah and he's a really recommend like pulling up videos some find them a Fred Hampton speaking and addressing crowds like. He's he was very good at it. and My uncle in that threat argues that the F. B. I. Recognized Hamptons exceptional nature and that they were terrified he would rise to become a national figure. And there's a lot of backing for this argument He in particular sites and memo from Herbert Hoover himself Discussing the goals of the program and it included as their number two goal. And I'm going to quote directly from the FBI. Here everybody you take a breath citation yes. Number to prevent the rise of Messiah who who could unify and electrify the militant. Black Nationalist Movement Malcolm. X. might have been such a messiah he is the martyr of the movement today. Martin Luther King Stokely Carmichael and Elijah Muhammad all aspired this position. Elisha Mohamed is less of a threat because of his age king could be a real contender for this position should he abandoned his supposed obedience to white liberal doctrines nonviolence an embrace black nationalism. Carmichael has the necessary talk about Joe. Boys is the yeah the white liberal thought dog. Yeah go yeah. Yeah if you've ever needed evidence of sort of the value of the armed revolutionary wing the civil rights movement. Yes it's the fact the FBI was like thank God. Martin Luther King's chill. Hey cool let let let king talk. Don't let that do doc. We had to shoot him a lot earlier. Yeah Right Oh man. So Hampton in his early. Well he didn't have a long career. Unfortunately but Hampton early in his career he worked to broker peace deals between various gangs and Chicago and came very close to getting the Blackstone Rangers a heavily armed organization with as many as eight thousand dozen members to join the Black Panthers now the FBI considered that possibility an enormous threat and they devoted significant resources to fomenting anger between both groups going as far as forging a death threat to the leader of the blacks donation. We talked about a little bit in part one a in early nineteen sixty nine. Fred Hampton set up the first panther free food distribution in Chicago. He got in trouble around this time due to a confusing series of events with an ice cream truck and again depending on who you listen to. He either stole a bunch of ice cream from an ice cream truck to give out the poor kids Hijack a truck and beat. It's driver or had nothing at all to do with the robbery of seventy one dollars worth of ice cream in any case an ice cream truck driver claimed. You've been beaten up by kids while Fred Stolle is from his truck And again you gotta be real fucking careful when you listen to charges against any of these guys because we know what was going on yeah yes And even even if it was true it's like yeah okay so take that same event and put it in like toad Suck Arkansas which is the city of performed in believe it or not and it's just funny. It's like you know what dude is hot out here. You know I gotTa dial you know distract the guy while we get some drumsticks. You know what I'm saying like it more like it's mischievous you know what I'm saying like I'm not trying to like why. Yes you know what I'm saying A. and minimize a crime. But it's like this. It's like it's mischievous is you. Can't get mischievous and Fred Hampton you. Yeah yeah now now. Hampton was arrested for this charged with robbery and assault while he waited for his trial. Fred organized a free breakfast for Children Program in Chicago in. Its first two weeks at Fed more than eleven eleven hundred grade school kids and earned a huge amount of community support for the panthers. Hampton was convicted of robbery and assault in April. But thanks to a good attorney he was released from jail on two thousand one dollars. Bail Fred immediately held a press conference where he declared that the Black Panther Party was acting in the interests of the people whom the government ignored oppressed quote. Our case should be taken can to the people and the people will not tolerate any oppressive system or force that attempts to jail the very people who feed their hungry children. Now Hampton Next organized realized mock trial with a group of white leftists known as the new left and he gave in that trial what would become one of his most famous speeches. SAYING WE'RE GONNA fight racism not not with racism but with solidarity not gonNA fight capitalism with black capitalism. But we're GONNA fight it with socialism. We're not GONNA fight reactionary pigs with any reaction in our part we're GONNA fight their reaction option when all of us get together and have an international proletarian revolution the most you weigh the FBI was not the most level headed sure response to be like look manage the you know in and in that sense. It's like it's show sort of. Even though there was differences in the solution there was a common thread through a lot of these thinkers of just being like look man like. I don't know if there's going straight this way is gonNA work. I don't know straight going this way. It's GonNa work but like you know you can't. You can't defeat racism racism manages. Doesn't you know although that's what that's what I want. That's what people what they wanted us to believe about the Black Black Panthers Y'all racist and he's like no you don't understand that's not gonNA that's not gonNA get us to. Our conclusion is more racism. I think that's important to notice that. But those were the words you know. And that's the guy that they're like. He's worst enemy Fred. succeeded in building a broad base of support in Chicago Including people of all races and backgrounds. This got the attention of Panther National Leadership. Bobby Seale flew down to Chicago to attend one of Fred's events he gave a speech their wherein. He said I'm so so thirsty. For Revolution I'm so crazy about the people we're going to stand together. We're going to have a black army a Mexican American army and Alliance in solidarity with progressive whites all of us. And we're GONNA in a march on this pig power structure and we're going to say. Stick them up motherfucker we come for what's ours. Love Him. Come up motherfucker. Yeah Man. Can I throw in a little history. We lesson here hell. Yeah okay. I really like 'cause I don't like it when someone steals your thunder on the show so I don't I don't want to do that could no. No no you're here too because you you know more about a lot of aspects of this than I do so yup. Yeah so like you know towards the end of like Dr King's like work especially the one that the event that ended at the I have a dream speech where he was on his way for more to talk about really was what you said. Was this idea of saying we need to build this coalition because the system itself is trying to keep us out of this then he does it. Does this whole this whole diatribe about like okay. You know talking about the Homestead Act Jaka Google but he was talking about the homestead act. Like okay okay. So to lift like poor white people out of serfdom was like the government was handing out land grants to people to come bill farms. If you know what she was doing government would train you. They pay to train you if you had no tools to work at government pay for you to had no tools. He's like these are social programs at the government has done. He's like these are the same people who look at us us and say you need to pull yourself up by your own bootstraps. And he's like you need to stop asking for government handouts. He's like the government's been handing out money to yard his whole time. So when we go oh to. DC WE GONNA get our check because well because us just trying to to to to just tell you to stop being a racist or is trying to change your mind about who you are just trying to fight you just forget it. Let's do it ourselves back as no listen. This is what you said. The country is this is what you said it was and this is what we're coming to do so for for for the government to look at or for the FBI to say we'll Fred Hampton and saying this. I'm like able to boy. Your boy king was saying the same thing family like he was he was actually. He said the same it does it. Ross Perot and it's it's interesting that the guys who were saying that same thing didn't didn't get a lot of time to say it. No yeah and I don't know enough about the The the the murder of Martin Luther King or these assignation Martin Luther King to talk about the conspiracy theories you might say around it. Yeah but I will say there's definitely reason into be suspicious about what kind of government involvement there might have been absolutely Also totally possible a racist. Might you know or I like yeah. Hey back back yeah. It's not out of anyway. So By may twenty sixth nineteen sixty nine Fred. Hampton's free breakfast program was feeding more than three thousand children. On that day. He was sentenced to two to five years in prison for his little ice cream truck escapade he appealed though was led out on an appeal bond by the Supreme Court of Illinois in July of Nineteen. Sixty nine Fred. Hampton embarked on his most ambitious plan yet He held the conference for a united front against Fascism which he billed as an attempt to build build a rainbow coalition. He brought a lot of different people together but focused on bringing in poor people of all different races particularly gang members. Hampton told them that no matter who they were the root of their oppression was the same and they would need to work together to confront issues. Like police brutality and poor public housing and teen vogue actually has a really good right up on this. That I'm GONNA quote from now Hampton the other panthers like section leader. Bobby Lee made the case that as poor people trying to survive mayor. Richard J Daley's racially segregated city. They had had more in common with each other than not the banded together to protect members from the cops fight against police brutality run healthcare clinics feed the homeless and poor kids and connect people with legal help if they were dealing with abusive abusive landlords or police. We did security for the Panthers along with other panthers seventy year. Old High Thurman a member of the Y.. Peo told Teen Vogue from his home in Alabama. Here's a bunch of hillbillies doing you know security for black people and Black Panthers Thurman said that was shocking for a lot of people out of respect for the Panthers Young Patriots which grid of a street gang called the Peacemakers. I decided to stop wearing the confederate flag. Meanwhile the Young Lords for granted issues impacting immigrants from Latin America and citizens who moved from Puerto Rico birthplace of the CO founder. Jose Jose cha-cha Gimenez the introduced the slogan Tengo. Puerto Rico in me in the fight for Puerto Rican self determination. so He's getting together. Yeah Hillbilly White Gangs Puerto Rican Hispanic gangs black gangs and being like we all have the same problems and we can all fight together to deal with them. Yeah Birdie and it's not like not like the. I mean. This isn't good like you know what I'm saying like like wait. That's not good like wouldn't you desire. I mean like I just don't understand why this is a problem New York. Well I mean it's because they prefer it if these gangs are shooting shooting at each other because they realized they all have more in common they start looking at the actual person fucking over. That's it suddenly. We got a real threat. Hey you know you kill each other. We ain't got to do the work for you. Just you know so. Listen this. Take Heed young gangsters. Yes now all of this scared the hell out of of J. Edgar Hoover. He directed his men to quote. Destroy what they stand for and a radical. It served the people programs. I gotTa say if you're talking about a radical leading eating serve the people programs. You might be the bad guy. Thank you might be reading historial role. Maybe you wrong side of this one. You know it's a real are. Are we the batteries moment. Made a minute let me right Like Oh damn yeah yeah we are. We are leaving out a lot because the story of all of the Shit That the police and the FBI did to take down. Fred Hampton. We could do a two parter just on that This guy had almost as much thrown at him. As Bobby Seale and he'll EP Newton did combined. It's remarkable for our purposes today. We're going to focus on the actions of FBI. Informant William O'Neil now as soon as Fred Hampton Forms Chicago chapter of the Black Panthers. The bureau sent O.`Neil into infiltrate it and he was good at his job. O'Neill was renowned as a hard worker. Although he worried other panthers with his obsession for violence at one point he built an electric chair for the panthers to use to torture. Informers which was disassembled. Disassembled on Fred. Hampton's orders was obviously like an F. B. I.. An attempt for them to like get the panthers to torture People's arrest them for torture sheesh. Yeah and Hamptons like what. What the fuck are you doing building an electric fucking electric chair? I'M GONNA quote now from a write up in the nation for this next bit quote not simply an informant. O.`Neil tried to provoke others into kamikaze. Type Activities Former Panther member. Louis trulock had submitted an affidavit stating that during a visit to a neal's father's home the informer showed him putty blasting caps and plastic bottles of liquid enough material to produce several bombs. He proposed that they blow up an armory later suggested robbing McDonald's Donald's restaurant true luck on the other. Her Neal's provocative proposals rejected them as useless to the cause. Although he was infatuated with weapons and trade to involve other panthers in criminal activities. O'Neill was tolerated because he was an exceptionally hard worker around the office. Ronald Doc Satchell a Black Panther leader. Who was wounded in the raid recalls? The only person who didn't want O'Neill in the panthers authors was Fred Hampton now the electric chair and the bombs were part of a series of schemes O.`Neil hats to try and trap Hampton on behalf of the FBI. None of them worked though because Hampton was very smart and eventually the police were left with exactly one option for dealing with Fred Cold blooded murder in November of nineteen sixty nine and William O'Neil provided the FBI with detailed floor plan of the Black Panther headquarters which doubled as Fred Hampton's home. The map included a red X.. Over his bed at four forty thirty. Five am Sergeant Daniel Growth of the Chicago police department knocked on the door of the Black Panther headquarters. What exactly happened next is debated but we know that for the next seven minutes the the police pumped roughly a hundred rounds into the building? Only one bullet was fired in response by a Black Panther Mark Clark Age twenty two both Clark and Fred Hampton were shot dead. Fred died in his bed from two point blank. Gunshots to the head. The vast majority of bullet holes in the house were centered around the location of his bed. Where William O'Neill had drawn the red x one officer was heard saying he's good and dead now is they traipse through the bloodstained office? And there is a photograph of the officer's carrying Fred Hampton's body from the building. It's one of the more disgusting things I've ever seen. Two of the officers are visibly gritting and we. We've got a photograph yourself you can show you. We'll put it up on the I've seen it. It's important yeah. Yeah it's important according to see these men's faces. Yeah this and that the the map with the red x or something that like sits in our psyche you know because images just it just burns in you know what I'm saying when you see and you know like that's what is that man's bed. Yeah Yeah yeah the for the listeners that the you would think that they just like left there like local bar and just like each other like that's the way they look on a slot machine. Yeah Yeah Yeah so true. Speaking of doing well on a slot machine following the raid William O'Neill was given a three hundred dollar bonus by the FBI. And now today the assassination of Fred Hampton is basically universally agreed by scholars and legal experts as well as activists to have been a political assassination. The Nation organized and orchestrated by the FBI. There is really zero disagreement about this fact between credible people who studied however in mainstream coverage of the raid. You still still run into people who will equivocate on this fact a Chicago Tribune article. I read about the assassination stated in the two years before the raid police. Panthers had engaged in eight gunbattles nationally. In which three three police officers and five panthers died four of the shootouts including one in which police officers were killed occurred in Chicago to try and make the case that like there was reason for the police to be super antsy. See about this whole thing is like when people say hey. Will you know these street gangs or these three violent too. They're shooting they're schouten so we're shooting. I'm like yeah but you know they're gangsters. Yeah Yeah Yeah. They're shooting but aren't you the police like aren't you supposed to carry yourself the level of integrity. You telling me Yo. Barb integrity is a street gang. That's what you're telling me right now. You know so even if I'm just saying like even if that was is your reasoning I'm like yeah but you're the cops though. Yeah it one thing. That's interesting to me that maybe I can leave a little bit of homework for the listener. Go sit down and in and look up Google all the people who were killed in mass shootings in the history of the United States of like the shootings but like mashes where some nut with a gun decides to murder murderer a bunch of strangers. Add that number together and then figure out how many people were shot dead by the police in two thousand nineteen alone on no figure out which of those numbers is larger John. That a homework for now The article that I found the Chicago Tribune also counts the firearms the panthers there's hat on the property. Nineteen and the number of rounds over a thousand as if any of that justifies. What was done those wrong legally owned guns and I have more firearms and ammunition in my house? Sitting being five feet from me. The Black Panthers had in their house at that point. Yeah like that's not a lot. No nineteen sizable number of guns for one person but it was multiple people's weapons thous and rounds is not a lot and those gunfights with police had no connection to Fred Hampton other than that he was a panther too And despite the murders in the FBI Fuck Korea and a counterintelligence operations by nineteen seventy the black. Panthers had offices in sixty eight cities the representatives had traveled to meet with Communist leaders in North Vietnam. North Korea and China some panthers had set up shop Algeria. And we're not gonNA have enough time really to go into all of the international divisions of this. Yeah and speaking. The of International Sophie is signaling to me that it's time for an ad break from the international corporations that sponsor this podcast all right globalism Globalist Alex Jones Voices on point. They do. Here's the thing saving money with. 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Nine hundred seventy would would prove to be the black panthers highpoint and again there's a number of reasons for this police repression disruption of the leadership and stuff had a lot to do with it I should did not. And it's very fair to note that it was not just police in state violence that we're responsible for the decline of the Black Panthers. There were other sort of factors that played into it. And I'm going to quote from Black Against Empire Empire again because it gives you an idea of some of these other factors the resilience of the Black Panthers. Politics depended heavily on support from three broad constituencies blacks opponents of the Vietnam War and revolutionary governments internationally without the support of these allies. The Black Panther Party could not withstand repressive actions against the by the state but beginning in nineteen sixty nine steadily increasing through nineteen seventy political transformations undercut the self interest. That motivated these constituencies to support the panthers. Politics as mainstream Democratic leaders opposed the war and Nixon scaled back back. The military draft blacks one broader social access and political representation and revolutionary governments entered diplomatic relations with the United States the panthers had greater difficulty sustaining staining allied support first major concessions by the political establishment and the Nixon administration on the Vietnam War eroded the basis of where opponents support for the panthers politics once it appeared the war would be ended through institutionalized political means those principally committed to ending the draft in war no longer shared a personal stake in radically transforming political institutions. Many now increasingly saw the panthers call for revolution is unnecessary from nineteen sixty nine onward increasing electoral representation as well as affirmative action programs in growing access to government. Unemployment and elite education also weakened the base of support for the Panthers Revolutionary Politics among blacks from the end of reconstruction eighteen seventy seven until nineteen sixty nine. No more than six black people had held a seat in the US House of Representatives at once but just two years later black representation more than doubled with thirteen people holding seats in the House of Representatives by Nineteen seventy-one one so a lot of why the panthers decline is because these groups who supported them because they were in like for their own self entry. Miltie got got what they wanted and stopped caring about this kind of revolutionary struggle for equality. Yeah Yeah my my father would say they like you know the government will always get they man you know whatever they want if the if the system decides they want you go and you're gonna be go right and unlike any would also say what you what you ain't go never mess with. is they money. Have you messing with they. Money GonNa stop it you know so this idea of of like you had this coalition. It was cool when it was like okay. Y- y'All WanNa sit at the same table as sorry. That's all right fine. You know what I'm saying. Okay Ah you want to beat you in the streets are I. Guess what I'm saying. Once you start messing with our money though you know and And in especially like our our international is like I said when you said this on the last episode when you first invited me on here I wanted like refresh my memory with like uh with with my father's experience I caught him and talk to him about it for a while so this was like the time he was in and he was saying he was saying that he would talk about like the multi tiered approach of like The the the sowing seeds of doubt of like you know even just the the idea of saying like hey you know You got this coalition but like now like Wolf. The war's over wire y'all here right. So he even even mentioned he mentioned what exactly what you were saying. It was like now till it. He's gone like what do we do. Then you had like the the the the what we what we in the slaying. Now we'll call street sweepers but it was essentially like the injunctions of like you're not allowed to gather. He was talking about like if there was two or more on the sidewalk. That constitutes a Black Panther anther meeting. So you'd be stopped by the police in like broken up because you just standing on a street corner together. You know what I'm saying. So like this multi tiered approach to like whether it was sowing seeds of doubt dividing the coalition mess with their money. Just like all of those things together If if the government decides his government decided they on won't you won't you. Yeah Yeah. Yeah and it's yeah. I'm glad you brought up like the The the the the cracking down on so-called meetings that again. That's that's what of those things like this. There was so much sure it was on. I think it was on my dock at some point. I didn't get written up absolutely important. I'm sure there's other stuff like that that I've left out because there's just so much to go over here. Yeah glad you did bring that up. the Black Panther Party was eventually dissolved in nineteen eighty two and the FBI and you know local. Federal State law enforcement cannot be blamed for all of that. Yeah but their efforts succeeded in draining huge amounts of energy from the organization killing at least twenty of its members and most importantly destroying or distracting. Its most influential leaders. Huey P Newton spent most of the nineteen seventies fighting a seemingly endless series of legal battles. There were accusations of violence and embezzling and even murder that are very hard for me to Parse Out It is possible. He committed these crimes possibly embezzled given what we know about the FBI's ever to take him down. I have a lot of difficulty giving too much credit to any of these charges. He was murdered in nineteen eighty nine by tyrone Johnson a member of the black guerrilla family prison gang and it's very difficult to not draw connections between that murder and the FBI motivated debated US killings. Yeah I don't know yeah can't Har impossible not to think about it. Did you come across like aside. No but did you come across the the ten demands of the Black Panther Party where we're getting into that today. Okay Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah. That's that's what I wanted to end. Did you yeah. Are you going to cover like their connection connection with the founding of the CRIBS and took Williams and stuff that we're not so if you have some yeah I would. I would love to so this this window that you talked about this. Nineteen eighty-three window. Oh of like the sort of seeing you know you got these. Three dudes like seeing the destruction of the party hardy and almost like the same sort of disillusionment like damn. That didn't work either. You know what I'm saying and then you went to introduce crack and then everything changes but like that that sort of transition from the panthers dissolving to these like you know just street gangs of just like what we know as the crypts. You know what I'm saying being like you. There's a documentary called the bastard children of the Black Panther Party and is about the founding of the crypts and Oakland that window between those two sort of like so like the dissolving of that and then the birth of this you know Being a new sort of like communal police force and then and then the crack attack and waited all goes to Shit but interesting. Yeah I I had no idea about any of that. Yeah Yeah Yeah. And the whole crack in the inner cities thing in the that that's a whole nother two or three part. I don't WanNa just spout off about that. Because even among the people who are on the right track. There's a lot of misconceptions Shinzo carried out. It's very detailed. Whatever the case may be it's understood in the inner city that like yeah crack destroyed us? It's it's what made our gang's violent. You know what I'm saying and just the the the moving of drugs is what made our gang's violent. Yeah Yeah Yeah. And that's really important in context and also important context is the to really get an idea of the sheer level of of a fuck ary perpetrated against against the Black Panther Party by the FBI during the period of quinto pro of the two hundred ninety five actions the bureau took to disrupt black groups Under co Intel pro. Two hundred thirty three were taken against the panthers. The FBI paid out more than seven point. Four million dollars in bribes to Black Panther informants which is more than tw- for for context context. That's more than twice the amount of money they spent on. Bribing informants who were organized crime and form. They spend you Weiss's much money on on the Black Panthers as they did on the fucking Bob and the mob in like the sixties and seventies when Bob is like really a big deal she will mob. Yes yeah like the hard core. fucking scorsese mob. Yeah we're Scorsese mob. Yeah Yeah that I I will speak. I think I can speak for all black people. I'm like I'M GONNA limitations. I am. We are absolutely fascinated like the Irishman Irishman. Being like all the greatest movie ever like you know honored as like this like now. I'm like young Martin murderer like okay my movies too but how could like yellow so fascinated with just these like these white like gangsters like why is it. Okay aided by white gangsters. y'All said wonder how many of the people who love those movies also think think that rap music unfairly glorified criminals point. That's my boy. I'm just like why. Why are okay with this like why is this? This type entertaining. Like why is this. Okay Yeah Yeah So Yeah we've spent this episode talking about this. The incredibly Lee sweeping campaign Disrupt destroy the Black Panthers by the FBI and by law enforcement and we might not know about any of this if it weren't for the actions of eight really fucking cool dudes Led by William C Davidson a professor of physics at Haverford College in Nineteen seventy-one they spent months casing and FBI field office in Philadelphia. Elvia during the night of a major frazier Ali fight when everyone was distracted they broke into the FBI's offices with a crowbar and made out with a Carload of FBI files. Those files included numerous memos from J. Edgar Hoover on the Black Panthers and the CO Intel pro operations now the FBI tried to stop the press from writing about any of this but the Washington Post was courageous enough to flip the bird and write about. The findings inspired a blizzard of foia requests from Panthers who suddenly had confirmation that they didn't surveilled for years years all the shit. They've been writing about on our backs. No you're paranoid no look no seriously yeah yeah. For an example of what was found one member guy named Rodney Barnette received a five hundred page file on himself quote documenting his whereabouts interviewing every employer he's ever had interviewing his schoolteacher his neighbors all of his siblings and observing him getting getting on airplanes so all of this led to an investigation in nineteen seventy six by the Senate committee on Intelligence Activities The final report they issued noted the actions carried out by the F. B. I.. Under CO INTEL PRO quote would be intolerable in a democratic society even if all the targets had been involved in violent activity but but Cohen tell pro went far beyond that the unexpressed major premise of the programs was that a law enforcement agency has the duty to do whatever is necessary to combat perceived threats is to the existing social order and political order but the report stated although the claimed purpose of the program was to prevent violence its tactics quote. Were clearly intended to foster violence and many could reasonably have been expected to cause violence. The Senate concluded that the F. B. I.. Quote itself engaged in lawless tactics and responded to deep deep seated social programs by fomenting violence and unrest and part of me wants to end on that note. But I don't think I want to give the government. The last word in this episode. Even if that last word is the government condemning the actions of Zone agents are bad so for the last word in this episode. I think we should go over the Black Panthers. Ten Point Program introduced in nineteen sixty eighty six by Huey p Newton and Bobby Seale and Bobby Seale by the way we talked about Newton he died. Obviously Hampton died. Seal is still alive today. Early recording this episode has continued to be an activist. Activist ran for office a couple of times And Yeah it's still around to this day so that's at least one bit a positive So here is the ten point program what we want now number one we want freedom. We want the power to determine the destiny of our black community number two. We want full employment for our people number three. We want an into the robbery by the white men of our black community later changed to we want an end to the robbery by. The capitalists are black and oppressed communities. I four we want these in housing fit for the shelter of human beings five. We Want Education for people that exposes the true nature of this decadent American society we want education that teaches us are true history and our role in the present day society six. We went all black men to be exempt from military service seven. You want an immediate end to police brutality and murder of black people eight we want freedom for all black men held in federal State County and city prisons and jails nine nine. We went all black people when brought to trial to be tried in a court by a jury of their peer group or people from their black communities as defined by the Constitution of the United States' intent ten we want land bread housing education clothing justice and Peace Now that list of demands also included a list of beliefs. Starting with we believe that black black people will not be free until we are able to determine our own destiny and included a reiteration of the panther belief in the importance of community self defense. We believe we can end police brutality and are black community community by organizing black self-defense. Groups that are dedicated to defending our black community from racist police oppression and brutality. The Second Amendment of the Constitution of the United States gives us the right right to bear arms. We therefore believe that all black people should arm themselves for self defense. There were also demands for the release of all black people incarcerated in American prisons since none of them could possibly have received received a fair trial. The whole thing ended with this paragraph winning the course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds which have connected did them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth the separate and equal station to which the laws and nature's God entitle them a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes compelled them to separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident and that all men are created equal that they are endowed by their creator with certain alienable rights that among these are life liberty and the pursuit unhappiness that to secure these rights governments are instituted among men deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends. It is the right of the people to alter and abolish it and to institute new government laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its power in such a form as to them shall see most likely to affect their safety the unhappiness prudence indeed will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes and accordingly. All experience has shown that mankind are more supposed to suffer while evils are suffering L- than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accused but when a long train of abuses and user patients pursuing invariably the same object of instances designed to reduce them under absolute despotism. It is their right and their duty to throw off such government and to provide new guards of their future security. You may recognize that as the beginning of the declaration of independence. Yes yeah man. What a frigging journey any in there so like again? US Ten different people with the Black Panthers. Are you get ten different answers. Even people that we're in the movement. Yeah but the end of the day man like you know wherever like point might be a problem is I mean. Is it so much to ask to be like. Yeah I just wanted housing. That's like suitable humans. How about that? Yeah Yeah Yeah and at the end of the day I think why they ended on that note. I'm just quoting the introduction to the region of independence is they're saying what we want is for this nation to make good on its promises. Just just keep your promises. Yeah Yeah like they're saying like this thing that you claim to revere this is a good document. It got some good should there. Why aren't you doing it? Yeah that's what we were about. Let's do it. Yeah Yeah so good. Yeah yeah cool cool prop. Is there anything you want to go into Before we roll out of this one man I think mentioning some of the like some of the women like to pop connections to core. You Know Nikki I mean Angela. The Davis you know what I mean her her prison reform stuff that she's doing now like some of these people You don't Nina Simone like just some of the like things that are having like a uh in Cuba right now. Why am I blanking? WHO's in Cuba right now? Oh Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah Yeah Some other like in in Cuba and and Algieria they had like a number of them wound up living. Yeah they just they just went there so yes some of some of the women you know what I'm saying that were like so so pivotal you know saying and again like A phonics a core like to pox. Mom You know what I'm saying You know going to prison hair being pregnant with to park in prison. You know what I'm saying stuff like that like ties to like now I think would be cool to kind of cover. Yeah Yeah and. That's definitely the biggest shortcoming of this. Is that like. Yeah I mean I definitely didn't go into detail enough about like the different women activists The international stuff that went on. It's there's so much to talk about I the they're always going to be imperfect and I only I but when we show that gun you you like. Angela Davis teaches at Berkeley elite. Like you could go here her right now. You could go here her lecture. You know what I'm saying like those things to me like these like living you commandments. That like like if we could gather these stories and hear the more Mike a year and why they still alive. You know what I'm saying I think he's like super even if you don't like even if you know rock with like a lot of whatever. They stood for right now like she was she was on this campaign like just in prisons period is like neons are ineffective. They don't don't work. They just make more criminals. You know what I'm saying so you go here her right now. You know what I'm saying like talk about saying like why to park was who he was again. Momma was a panther. You know what I'm saying like and was in prison pregnant with him. You know things like that I think is like these lists. It's like it's not. It's not that long ago. You know what I'm saying like some of these people are still alive and still accessible but really the the the mist I to me even in a lot like the academic work with the with the panthers harped on this a lot but like what the women did you know what I'm saying. They were doing the cooking looking for those. who like breakfast programs? That was women doing that. You know what I'm saying when they locked up on man when it was killing a man guess who carried it. Who's the women you know what I'm saying so I just think that like that legacy I would love to see more on that legacy not even not from this? I'm just anxious period like less. Yeah can we talk about what the ladies did saying. Yeah Yeah Yeah. And that's you know that's probably a good. Maybe a good subject for when we do our next hero's episode the end of the year or something. Yeah Yeah Yeah. In part. I was focusing this on. I was focusing this largely on efforts to destroy the panthers and those sort of focus more on on killing and injuring. Yeah you imprisoning some of the. Yeah but you're right that's A. It's one of those things. As soon as I started reading black against empire it was like this anxiety attack of like I'm GonNa leave so much shit out uh-huh how like that's what I was saying already ready to show you mercy because it's just so much to cover your saying yeah yeah. This was a very very focused episode. And my main hope for it is that it convinces people particularly other white kids like me Go read more about these guys and women and and this this struggle go read more about this. I think black against empires a good place to start There's a lot of other really good books. That you can look into and I tell her by like I've taken your book advice before you know. Read a few things you didn't put out there in has sent those for like I read the death of democracy. It's a good one guy that was that that was a book. Boy She was. I got to say chills. I did when he was reading. Oh this isn't good yes to familiar. Yeah anyway well you know maybe consider some of the lessons in black against empire empire as part of the antidote to the death of democracy especially survival programs that sort of thing this idea of community organizing for self defense I'm the armed stuff in the stuff. That has nothing to do with guns all very important. So that's the note on this episode of Prop One A.. Plug your collectibles before we yes outta here into the weekend. My Plug ables are prop hip hop just like. It sounds Prophet pop. That's that's twitter. That's instagram that's the website. There's merge coffee paraphernalia. I'm quite a coffee nerd Couple podcast part of like really cool. Coffee Paraphernalia Oh yeah it's really really really got to look up the poor Gami. It's GonNa blow your mind. Dj Dan all our engineer. Bought one jerk. 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Matt Rhule is head coach of the Carolina Panthers

"Google who is the coach of the Carolina Panthers Role is head coach of the Carolina. Panthers Damn writing is Google Jason Talk Soon. Hello Welcome to the inaugural twenty twenty. Keep sounding podcast coming right off. The News of the panthers finally hiring a new head coach. After how many years of Ron Rivera here we are. It's twenty twenty. It's a new year. It's a new US John. How are you doing this evening? I'm fabulous Brian rates. How're you I would say that I rule right now I was one I was thinking if there is a lady ed in there but yeah 'cause I rule Brad how are you? I'm great good good so I guess to really. There's no the real way to enter this without talking about the new head coach. We just found out about. Obviously Ron Rivera was fired. At the end of the season we are talking. Talked about that in our last podcast and we took a little hiatus. Because I think we all kind of leaders are sanity for the holidays and it wasn't like it was any different with will greer in there with instead of Kyle Allen like the panthers still suck they still there. Rush Defense still sucked. Coaching still sucked at mad. At Ron wasn't awesome here settled pick. Anybody would have listened to podcasts over the last like four weeks of the season just because it was the exact same thing every week and it was meaningless and it was extra meaningless because every knowing L. A.. Coaching Staff is going to be gone. So it's not like there's like. Oh let's see what kind of like young guys are to build off of because the main ones like yeah. I mean the only thing that we could have talked about positive would have been Christian. McCaffrey J. Mortgage and yeah. Yeah that's pretty much all we've talked about. Yeah Yeah and I know that there have been times in our in our times as the podcast where we've been a little repetitive. Headed of talking about things but it literally would have been no different from week to week because the panthers run defense suck. They couldn't do anything other than get the ball to Christian. McCaffrey their quarterbacks ex-workers and so it is to the colts because we gave up to punt return touchdowns. Yeah that was a new one. We could've bitched about that for a while but I apologize because if you did want to listen to US pitch about the panthers I I do apologize but it got to a point. Wait where we message each other and be like. Hey we want to do podcasts. And just wouldn't work out schedule wise and even that. I don't think any of US really willing to push our schedules for seeing our loved ones friends and family talk about. How much Kyle Allen Sucks each week? So we'll talk about. How much will greer sucks to different? That's true but it's it's a new year. It's a new US and the panthers went into the off season. They interviewed a ton of candidates. It was actually kind of Nice to see them be a little little reserved with how they went about things. They interviewed Mike. McCarthy several times interviewed Eric Enemy. Several Times I don't know how many times times they interviewed rule. I missed one once yet. One just life changing interview with Flo throw funny. You say that went to his house. Like that's servers Jerry Jones. Yeah Yeah I'm not GonNa make a sexual Tom So I will say that I remember. I saw reading somewhere that David tepper decided halfway through the interview that he was going to hire role yes. He told the local media that today that he in the middle of the interview it went from a job interview interview to a planning session. On how to recruit coaches and medical staff and training staff than analysts and and etcetera era and it became it was no longer a job interview. It was as he called a planning session and that he knew halfway through that that's who he wanted on it that he went from being a candidate to the candidate within however many hours they were. They're not GONNA make sex. Joke connects you. Okay I can understand why though because here in like the little snippets that popped up on twitter since this news broke. Merrill sounds exactly. Is that like what David tepper would create if you could go on a lab and create his ideal head coach. Yes he's got the he's all about toughness and he's got that old school like gritty mentality. But he's all about analytics as much as I hate that. We're all about using like height weight. Speed be athletic measurements to find prospects that might be under the radar. He's about sports science and development. And all this stuff that like it's like NBA coaches talk about a kind of use that analogy earlier today in the comments section but NFL thing. And I think one thing that encouraged me about the using measurements and stuff. It's not it's not necessarily that. They're going to say well this. This guy ran a four point three five forty and instead of four point three eight forty. We're GONNA draft him. He did one. He mentioned one thing that there was a guy when he was at Baylor that they all the other schools that were trying to recruit him wanted him to play offense Ab- line and they looked at his measurements and his his speed. And all that and they were like you know this guy would be perfect as a defensive Lineman so they recruited him and put put him on defense and he was one of their better players. So it's Kinda like at deal where you know. The combine has a guy that's slated as a a cornerback. But Matt Rule looks at him. He looks at his measurements. And says you know this guy would be much better as a safety so less draft him as a safety You know it's not necessarily just looking at like what has measurements Asia or it's looking at that. Plus what would he be better suited at playing even if it's not what he has played in the past or is supposed to play. I don't think bring that correctly but I going to say it's Kinda add onto that is like there's a difference between what like draft twitter and people do where they're like. This forty yard dash is unacceptable or acceptable or example. Yeah Yeah Yeah had one bedroom where there is. There is value in looking at athleticism as total attribute all of the drills in their totality. You just bad athlete that that's a problem. You have everything else. You can mess Roussin Golden as the easy example and and and that's where the this stuff comes in where if you have a certain measurements that profile better for different positions or whatever or to be used a certain certain way the seahawks are doing with decay metcalf yes. Three cone drill was terrible. Well then don't put him in a position to have to use that. Just take on the outside of the former on the nine routes and let him dominate corners. I mean and that's what he does you know. Throw the FE two from the twenty yard line. Fine I mean it's you don't have to excel at every drill to be draftable draft twitter. I guess to outline what Brad Johner getting into here for any of the people here who listen who aren't super keen on the draft or what goes into it essentially what it sounds like Carolina has gone after finally is someone who it takes the NFL athletes that are in in college and looks at what they could translate to in the NFL rather than what they can be right now. which is something that is an old school mindset of drafting because most of the time nowadays athletes who come out of college not nearly as ready as they would have been for the NFL back in the day not just because the NFL's more athletic not because it's not just because the NFL is more offensive driven now because there's just a lot more shit people can do these nowadays holidays so and I'm GonNa go ahead and tell you now when you're if you're listening to this when when you're in the draft process don't even think about falling in love with prospects unless there? Brian Burns you know especially after about the second or third round. We're going to draft some crazy. We asked people that you never would have thought. And at first you're going to be like But it's it's not GonNa be ah like Edmund. Could Bela like somebody you've never heard of but we're going to draft like a really fast linebacker from you know North West Illinois Illinois tech or something and you're gonNA at first you're gonNA be like who in the hell is that guy but just let it play out give it a chance and let it. Let's see what the results are before we get mad. I think a lot of the stuff he says it's tied into basketball again. Sorry don't follow basketball but the Hornets new New head coach is in the second year. James Borrego I see a lot of parallels in the things. They say not terms of like instilling a culture and and then using a certain and methodology to to grow players and like melda system around the talents of their players. And if anybody does if he has no position the Hornets majorly over achieving this year with much young players that are rapidly getting better. They can't inc right. There's there's there's good and bad in that but I I think that's kind of what. The optimistic outlook on on rule is is that guys are gonNA come in here and there's GonNa be a system and they're all going to buy because he seems to be really good getting the kids to buy an hopefully that translates to older adults and those plug into the system will be used in a way that bets vis their ability as opposed goes to having a rigid system in place and trying to plug in players there whether it fits their talent or not. Yeah the good news is is. You're not gonNA see Eric Reed covering wide receivers like Micheal Thomas deep down the field anymore. Because you know he can't really do that The Good News is that Colin Jones. We'll probably get a shot at running back after do that. You know up because I mean I'm sure he saw the fake punt. I'm sure he saw how he fought for that yards on the job. I mean come on the athletes. Exactly he wants speed. And what does Colin Jones have. He has speed that's always got but he's got aspect but you know there. There is a fear that his his tactics and his methods will not work with grown men who have millions of dollars and that it. It only works with impressionable college kids but there is also the thought that if they're winning it doesn't matter and he signed a seven year contract so he's going to get a couple of years years to rebuild from the ground up like David Tepper said he wants Matt Rule to be like Chuck Knoll was for the steelers where F even after he leaves. We continue being a winning franchise so I don't think he's GonNa get fired if the panthers go six and ten next exchanger probably why he turned down. The the Cleveland interview that allegedly offered him an interview and he turned it now so I do remember him saying that before the whole process even started that he wasn't GonNa really like jumped the to the NFL the perfect opportunity presented itself and end despite the National Media Ranking The the head coaching vacancies and being L. Carolina's like number three. I mean this is a a good place to be for a new head coach especially when we have. We have elite talent on both sides and it Cam Newton comes back healthy. We have even more elite talent. We have the number seven. Picking the draft We have we have the richest owner in the league. WHO's willing to invest? I mean he's putting in his own money where his mouth is the fact that I did before. I don't want to forget about this but when I heard that temper wanted to bring along the sports science division because of rule or like four rule to come in I was like this guy's committed to the students see eye on things which is exactly which is really refreshing and I'm sure John is over there like cream and his pants right now from the analytic side of it I like analytics to science is cool cool. I think I think we have a chance to be unique in that regard dealing with before in the Mail on our team practicing in a ballroom because it was raining. It could historically lead to a top offense with like a historically worse rush defense this year. But you know it's fine. Yeah but we could in fifty one to forty nine. That still a win. That's true and that's fun and it's Fallen Bring College College football to the NFL. I'm into that one thing about about David tepper while we're talking about him and his investment. I don't understand people who were mad about how much he's paying that I've seen that criticism online on twitter on CSSR and other play. I don't understand it because number one one. You're not paying a dime. It's not our money we don't we don't have to pay number two. It doesn't count against the salary cap. It's not not GonNa Affect Complex. It's not GonNa Affect Free Agency. It's not gonNA affect any of that. David tepper could give that rule three billion dollars if he wanted to do. There's no rules against paying coaches. You can pay them whatever you want however long you want I mean the raiders gave Jon Gruden a ten year one hundred million dollar our contract. That's perfectly fine you know. There's there's no rule against it so we didn't break a rule no pun intended there legitimately. No we got we got. We got a rule. We we don't pay for it out of pocket. I don't think he's going to raise ticket prices to cover the cost cost. He might but probably not until we're winning so he can justify it by winning. And it's David peppers money. And he spent seventy million of his nine billion dollars in reserves so all he cares about is investing in it to to to make to make this a winning program. And it's like it. It's like you spending an extra five dollars at starbucks tomorrow. I mean that's that's it's the scale we're talking about here and it's probably not even that great. It's more like you spending an extra dollar seventy five at starbucks tomorrow. So if you're only complaint is how much money involved don't worry about it because it doesn't affect us. It doesn't affect anyone and I've heard or seen the complaint complaint that will it sets a new market for head coaches who cares you know unless until coaches salaries become part of the salary cap. It doesn't don't matter. It's whatever owner is willing to pay whatever amount and if David peppers willing to pay seventy million dollars potentially seventy million dollars dollars over seven years. That doesn't mean that Jimmy has lem is willing to do that. That doesn't mean that Jeffrey Lurie is willing to do that in Philadelphia. That doesn't mean the Mars are willing to do that. That doesn't mean Robert Kraft is willing to do that. That just means that David Tepper is willing to do it. So who cares. There's no reason in as a fan to care about what the coaches salaries even if it does raise the market price of coaches like one. We have a coach. We are right. That doesn't affect US right now. And if it affects down the line again it doesn't matter because it doesn't for the same reasons it doesn't matter now. The only way the only way it matters is twofold if is if a it becomes part of the salary our cap which will never happen the owners will never let it happen or be if David tepper runs out of money like that's the only and we have to foot the bill like that's the only thing that ever could matter who cares how much money he makes. I agree. I mean it's just stupid. The stupid thing to even be angry about yeah. I'm angry about other stuff like he's never been an NFL head coach. He only won at Baylor Temple. Big Deal things like that. Fine go for it. But don't be mad about his salary. I want to get back on a couple of things about that rule in to answer something you said earlier about the criticism are the hesitancy about Dunin college work in the NFL. I think that's a lazy like complain. I guess are lazy. Knock against him. Because it's just like like a automatically can't use the same methods on. I can see that for guys like Jim. Harbaugh for Nick Types. That are really hard on their guys and a really you know run into the ground demand respect all that stuff. But if it's like the Ron Rivera for example he does works with adults and would work with college. Kids and Matt Seems to be more better. Davos yeah sorry I'm I'm Jillian. Weinberger hosted the impact podcast from. Vox about how powerful people affect the rest of us this season. We're looking at the big ideas from all the people running for president. In Two thousand twenty hip this opioid crisis head on public option. move away from fossil fuel energy efficiency and it's GonNa be a Great Wall that is going work. A lot of those ideas have actually been tried before like that. Wall trump wants to build the gallon. Arizona has had one on its border for decades breath. I don't understand why individual people have a right to have a fence and yet a country can't and Senator Warren's proposal to the OPIOID crisis it's based on what we did to fight the AIDS epidemic. 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I mean it takes a lot out of your ability to care about watching the panthers like I have not given a shit about watching the panthers play football since the Super Bowl and some of that is because of injuries and players being important players players being hurt but a lot of that is. Because it's just like I'm watching the same movie over and over again and it's a shitty movie and nobody wants. I like watching like Avatar. The last heir bender on repeat like. Nobody wants to do that. Because it's Shitty and I I feel like there's there's GonNa be a change and we may go three and thirteen this year but I feel like it'll be more entertaining of a product and I care now you know I I said this on Ceus are two yesterday and I've only been doing this for the last three or four years because I get paid to do so that's been the only motivating factor I've had I haven't been into into it so to speak but right now I am. And that's that's a positive thing you know. I reserve the right to change my mind when we lose the first preseason game you know twenty one to three or whatever but for right now you know be happy. Happy be excited. You can be cautiously optimistic or pessimistic. That's fine but there's no reason to outright hate this like there's there's no reason for that. Yeah there's boundless possibility right now this isn't this isn't the same Ron Rivera product. They've been laying out for a long time This is David. Tappers attempt to move the franchise forward healthy skepticism make sense hating it right now. I mean you might've wanted somebody else's the off as the head coach but in the end they were GonNa go in a new direction. It was going to be somebody that was they were kind of. I'M NOT GONNA say swinging for the fences for but it was gonna be somebody where you're translating forward. It's not where you're taking somebody were. They were successful in the past in the NFL and hoping they can replicate that. This is happening. I never thought like really thought we were going to hire somebody like Mike McCarthy Carthy or Marvin Lewis or I did Joe Jason Garrett. I was scared that he would actually when he interviewed Mike McCarthy twice but when David Tepper said that he wanted someone young and forward thinking. I knew that that pretty much ruled out. Guys like Mike McCarthy now I will not lie I I was afraid that he was GonNa do it but I met. Rule isn't even the guy I wanted. At least he wasn't first on my list. He was second on my list. I wanted Eric B enemy and you know I'm fine with not hiring eric the enemy but I do think he deserves to be a head coach and I hope that someone one hires him. But I'm not gonNA knock this higher too much until I have more information because like we don't even know who the coordinators are yet. He hasn't even. He hasn't even hired his staff yet. That's a good segue Brian by the way Bill Bill. Vote seems to think that it's going to be. It's very exciting staffer. He's excited about it or he's acting like he's excited about it. I have reservations about that. But yeah yeah we'll see I mean mm-hmm so looking at the staff obviously offensive coordinator while they could go in and get guy like Jason Garrett for example in the end it doesn't really matter because Jason Garrett is apparently being hard by the giants by the way busy after they just to be offensive coordinator or talk about the giants along with with Washington about when is like the pay. There's hired heard Matt rule and then it was like immediately was like. Oh yeah well. We didn't want him anyway. We wanted to this other higher. Who can we hire now? Oh the Patriots. Wide receivers coach. Come on down go ahead John Tell us about it. It was pretty much it. I bring it up the they like. It seems 'cause everybody especially in the New York media was like yes. The Wind Matt rule gets hired as the giants head coach. This is what's going to happen and this is what he's going to bring to the table not in and the best part about it is is apparently when David tepper offered him the contract he called the giants and Said Hey David tepper just offered me this contract. All you have to do is give me the exact same contract Andrei and I will work for you instead and they told him no. He didn't say you need to do better than this. This at a year at ten million dollars give me vice president of whatever no he said I want the exact same deal from you and I'll take the job with you instead. And they said No. And then they hired the Patriots Wide Receiver Slash special teams coach and allegedly Jason Garrett. My favorite thing about it is how fast like it was like. It was supposed to be the guy all along and then it took them. What like two hours after the reports came out to be like nope Joe Judge? That's a guy in our guy. Who is that Matt Rule Guy? We didn't want him and it's I don't know maybe just because I'm conditioned into root against the giants and Dave gettleman and stuff but it seemed like a panic or like a saving face like if we have to hurry up and announce guy fast fast or else it's going to make it look like we already had somebody else in mind anyway so it doesn't look like we missed out. Yeah Anyway Anyway. We're going to talk about the staff or who he has wanted on the staff. I think we should because it's important Brian I know you want a certain defensive coordinator that a lot a lot of people on CSSR and a lot of panthers fans do not want for reasons. I will never understand but I want. I Want Wade Phillips. Because he's not want Wade Phillips there apparently Phillips which it doesn't make sense to me why they wouldn't like you just hired. I heard a head coach. Who is like new to the NFL? Essentially as a head coach I know he's had experienced all over as positions coach but he is a new head head coach. The offense coordinator in all likelihood is going to be somebody else who's young without a lot of experience So why wouldn't can you bring in a guy to be or defensive coordinator who has head coaching experience. Who doesn't want anything else out of the defensive coordinator and who beat the shit out of your team for years ago in the in the Super Bowl and cost you? What would have been one of the best seasons of all time just like what come on? Now I'd be fine orient or like pounding the table for anything but if we highway Phillips I'll probably be like go. I'm excited about this. I agree with Brian Ryan. I Want Wade Phillips if we're going to stay with the three four defensive alignment and get the most out of Brian Burns that we spent a first round round draft. Pick on White Phillips is perfect for that I don't understand why you don't want Phillips. Just because he was was the defensive coordinator during the Super Bowl that we lost that sounds like bitterness and sore loser as he coached the bad game. Yeah as if he's he. He's the reason they won the game. Like if Wade Phillips were our defensive coordinator we would have won the super bowl that year. also also if anyone other than Ron Rivera Warr head coach we might have still had a shot because we could have adjusted to what he was doing. Maybe McDermott area But you know Wade. Phillips is a respected name in the NFL. He knows what he's doing he has. He's a great defensive coordinator. He's a Shitty head coach and he knows that he's the North Turner of defense like he knows he's a terrible head coach But he's a good coordinator and I think that he would be a good higher Speculation is that Matt rule is going to bring Phil Snow with him from Baylor Taylor. I wouldn't hate that either. I would not prefer it just because he's never done it in in the NFL. Yes Baylor's defense was good if you compare pair it to the rest of their conference in the big twelve and John. I think you shared this earlier today. They average what was in one thousand nine points a game yet allowed nineteen points a game which is else there. Total in which it's good for. It's very good for the big twelve and also like somewhere. It was not like elite but it was a top twenty ish twenty five and the Guy Giving up nineteen points in a game in the big twelve is like the two thousand Ravens level defense. Yeah because I mean those big twelve twelve scores are like fifty one to fifty eight like frequently and you know I. I don't think it would be the worst higher like it's not. It's not like bringing an Eric Washington or keeping Eric Washington. So I think I would prefer somebody like Wade Phillips but I wouldn't be mad if fills no. I think I could get on board with a full all snow if they brought in someone to be like a positional or assistant head coach who was a former defensive coordinator like yeah like Steve Wills can come back and coach the secondary Mary again. I mean I know I know people are going to hate. People are GonNa hate this suggestion but like if they if they kept Perry fuel on for example. I don't think they would do that because it would be awkward. No we we should do that at I hate that. Yeah but like I think. What's it's lost on people and something that the panthers actually did this past off season was they brought in guys with former head? Coaching experience now. Granted they already have Ron Rivera. So it wasn't like these guys are GonNa change their philosophies that much but when you have a younger guy who isn't experienced with this you bring in guys who who you can take some of that that Stress off of where you can you know. Move responsibilities lease around where he doesn't have to focus as much on being the the Ron Rivera of the of the entire staff where he can focus on what he's good at. It makes sense to bring in guys who are positional coaches elsewhere. Who have that experience the NFL Higher Defensive Coordinator? And you're probably gonNA laugh at this. Until until I tell you why Marvin Lewis wouldn't hate that. Marvin Lewis was the Baltimore Ravens Defensive Coordinator from nineteen eighteen. Ninety six to two thousand one. He just couldn't leave the bengals to shit but he was never. He's not a head coach coach. Yeah he was never horrible for them now. He can see north with the bengals more than once. He went to the playoffs. Like eight or nine times times. Yes he lost in the first round every time but that's the way life goes sometimes They went to the playoffs five years in a row. He did this in Cincinnati by the way Which is in the same division is Pittsburgh and Baltimore? That's an accomplishment and Cleveland. Don't forget about them. Well well they were competing for the playoffs but you know don't ever hate on Hoyer the destroyer the that is right but I think Marvin Louis be a good defensive coordinator currently a special advisor for her Arizona State and I I mean he's not working in the NFL right now so yeah I just worry that a guy like that is like it's like I have preferred to see David tepper throw like a million years ago. I would prefer to see David. tepper take the so. Do you guys remember when David was talking about Prior to firing Ron Rivera. WHO's talking about bringing in like a ton of different people and and like letting them all work together when it came to like scouting where it was like a bunch of different names in the room to talk about things and come to conclusions together? I almost kind Kinda Wanna see him bring in like a younger defensive coordinator like him be like the face like this is the order. This is the panthers defensive coordinator Google Guy but bring in like an assistant like a veteran dude. And they essentially be co defensive coordinators for a guy like Matt rule where. It's not like he's going to be coaching. The defense so filled with marvelous windows specialists exactly the defensive with regional manager or Wade Phillips or fill snow and Steve Steve Wilks or you get the point but I feel snow. Will you behind that. I can anybody for Monitor's coaching tree here anymore. We need they get all of that out here but how much. How much is I don't want to get on with this? But how much is Steve. Wilks you you know what I guess he was there with. Ron and San Diego is the bombs that doesn't it meant. Yeah you're right okay. Well Yeah I mean. I think that I am really really excited to see what they do with the defensive coordinator hunt because I liked how I liked how they did the head. Coaching and I feel like rule is going to bring that same way of going about things and I think the David temporal be involved there too so I feel like we're going to see several stories of people getting interviewed where it's not gonna be like. Oh this guy by default is coming in like you know when Ron Rivera went to Washington brought in every fucking coordinator ever had so out. Yeah we could. We talk about that. I want to talk about that thing. At the giants in the end watch Rod- Very Safran. His the failed last couple year Carolina. Coordinators what what panthers. It does matter. I don't know who it would be though. I mean I don't well it's that it's Sean Ryan. Yeah the line. Health coach lead the Lions quarterbacks coach. He was also new. New York's wide receivers coach in Odell Beckham Junior's rookie year. And he was the Texans quarterbacks coach into Shawn Watson's rookie year song resume and so strong resume and he didn't stick around longer though Well he you old he would left. mcadoo got fired. He left he leading your got fired. And then I don't know why he went from they tax ends to the lions but he might have gotten like an extra promotion or whatever. The ones do better quarterback Shawn Watson. Maybe that maybe. That's that is patently shirt. But Okay I WANNA on forty minutes into the show where it's very appropriate. But I think in general it looks like candidates resumes in their current positions when deciding whether or not they'll be good in a new position and it doesn't make any sense like people are talking about like when we were interviewing the enemy where it's like. Oh this is how much of the offense is his. It doesn't really matter matter. 'CAUSE we're not hiring us to be an offensive coordinator to be a head coach. It's a different job in Andy. Reid said he's he's ready to be a head coach. Andy Reid is is one of the probably four best head. Coach is currently employed in the league and a top ten coach. The last twenty five years he knows talking about and it hurts me. Say them because I hate Andy Reid. But he knows what he's talking about and then like with The guy from Detroit that I can't remember his name but it's like his resumes good but then it's like oh but he's at the lions lions offense wasn't good that you this year. Our backup quarterbacks weren't good and it's like but he's we're I'm not asking him to come in here and quarterbacks better asking him to come in here and like run an offense like the best way without actually having them in in that current job or anything else like that the best way to get a feel for how good they'll be their job is to sit down and talk to them and interview ask about their philosophy. We don't really guessing. Yeah exactly we're we're we're guessing based on their past production which which honestly Ryan does have the fact that Matthew Stafford was pretty fucking good this year before he got hurt so he was having a career year hurt. I mean he he. He's Kinda like like Andy. Reed's coaching tree. It seems like wherever he goes. He's successful and I think if you you can be successful in more than one place. Then you're probably successful like there's a chance that you're pretty good at what you do. That's the only unreal counterpoint. There is to John's point which is correct. I'm not going to say the wrong John but the the only thing you can look at outside of like sitting down with them and talking with them is how productive. They've been at the job. They were given where they work directly responsible or indirectly responsible for two of the greatest this rookie seasons. We've seen in the last fifteen years. Yup with O B J and into Shawn Watson. So I mean it's it wouldn't be the worst higher now certainly not an honestly an upgraded offensive coordinator is somebody who doesn't call a power trap on first and ten on the first play of the game every God damn time plus sometimes you have to remember the two that some of the best offensive coordinators. Come from places where you wouldn't expect them to. I guess like a good example. ZAMPA Byron left which for the buccaneers yet. Another good example His name is escaping me but the cowboys offense coordinator from this past season Calvin more. Yeah Kellyn more like those. Were just two guys who were really worth a whole lot like it kind of becomes your all your head coaches ability to scout talent at that point and I wouldn't be surprised for him to see him higher like I. I don't know Jimmy Clausen to be his offense coordinator like as much as everyone would probably be like what the fuck with that. Belykh a former quarterback to work with the offensive offensive coordinator or I should say a head coach. Who has an offense background? I wouldn't hate that. You Imagine Jimmy Clausen Being Cam Newton's offensive coordinator. Just imagine those two shitting shitting on the sideline thing ever Cam. Newton is ridiculous hat with Jimmy Clausen in like coaching outfit. Likes going over. Plays on a fucking tablet like my God. I would pay money to see that. That would be great. I mean a bit. It would work. They would. I mean he fits the profile of the guys. Brian's named of like washed up quarterbacks that were like not to do I mean those you can't do teach and he could not do remember sued each just because those quarterbacks were bad doesn't mean they don't understand the game is is nine thousand six hundred ten. The best coaches are the ones that were either mediocre or bad as players. Yeah because there's like an element of you had to overcome overcome like athletic limits not limitations but disadvantages compared to competition. And you could rely on story like Steve Kerr was is a three point specialist literally the only thing he can do. He's a good coach. Michael Jordan would be a terrible coach because it tell them as just go out there and dominate this. Go Be Michael Jordan. Just go do it. I have about hard fun. Random bit we can end the show with unless you wanted to discuss anything else. John Wants to talk about the Washington and giants hires because we deserve to ridicule them. Let's hired I. I know he hired today or yesterday. He's hired Scott Turner as offensive coordinator which was funniest shit. He hired John Mattes. Go and Ryan Enver million too because we did such a good job staying healthy having a god. I'm telling you I said this in our threat I'm saying the podcast to you can market down are injured quote unquote injury. Luck is going to get better. Hopefully the very least we stop having. The recurrence of injuries is that we had seemed to be plagued by. I swear I genuinely believed that Ryan for millions. Method of treating injuries was beat. The shit out of them while they in a hospital bed he also hired a gym hustler or wide receivers coach from the panthers so that actually kind of bums me out because he was seen he seemed to be getting the best out of some of our wideouts been. Jacobs is going up there as well. No Ben Jacobs. Wow Oh wow. He's on Becker coach. Steve Russ is going up there every assistant that he added. Jeff Ron's just basically being like fuck you tapper. My staff was fine. Yeah exactly what he's doing like. Yeah Probably Higher Richard Rodgers as yet. No I mean it's understood that he's going to get a job. There is just a matter the upset of of the decade if Richard Richard Rogers and my favorite thing is he's probably GonNa wait until he only has one spot left. It's going to be something random as hell like nothing offensive line assistant or some shit. I have nothing to do with what Richard Rogers is. Good at which is Tiger Rodgers. I will be the equipment specialist for the Washington reacted because Richard Rogers was was Rivera's teammate. At Tau and he i WanNa say he was tied in. That would make sense of some as a tight end. I'M GONNA look it up to be not a hundred percent on that sure. Let's see do find it funny. Though that Ron is bringing everybody over and being like we're we're going to be successful here guys. This is our new thing. Second Times the Charm Yup. We went to the playoffs. Four times and Carolina. We know what we're doing. We sure do. We're going nor that one of those times as the losing record because that makes missile sound worse. We're also going to ignore the fact that he had cam. Newton and Luke keithly for both of those years to players of which Washington does not have the caliber. Rav at all they do. Not that said they could trade for Lou quickly. So let's see that. Would that would suck real talk. They did yeah just for fun. We don't want you anymore. Older Washington has leuke. cleon Josh Norman as stalwarts in that defense brings back captain model and Julius Peppers this is Thomas Davis goes there. Kurt Coleman goes there. Oh that's a good one. I I was actually I was wrong. He played defensive offensive back at cal. Unpleasant side explains why he was the defensive backs coach but he's he's also been a special teams coordinator he's been and he was the special teams coordinator because he he handled two of the five laterals on that play. A man is out on the field. He was one of the. I think he was the lateral. Just before the touchdown and that's apparently according according to Ron Rivera. That's all he needs to know that. That Richard Rodgers is a coach for life a coaching stalwart. He's he has been with the Panthers for eight years. Damn it. I hate Richard Rogers. I'm sorry he seems seems like a nice guy but I hate him so much like he doesn't even have like Brenton Bersin or Colin Jones level of like hate for me at least like Brenton Bersin and Colin Jones had their shining moments at times but he just always had horrible unit problems happen he just got relegated to something else instead of being fired like come on now we should all be so lucky that when we fail it are just it moved to a new job yep five or fail is social media coordinator you bet your ass instead. Brad's going to move me to senior writer on Sundays. Yeah Yeah exactly. Yeah so I did have a fun little exercise that wanted to do just for shits and giggles because of the way there are conversations conversations. Went if you could pick two former. Panthers weren't really back good at their jobs to be coaches for the next regime. Who would they be? You want on offense and defense got Sean Gauldin for defensive coordinator. That's a fresh one. All right I'll take a player that was bad but then making a coach. Yeah player. That was bad. That could be a coach like as we were talking about like Jimmy Clausen being the offense coordinator for the panthers. Something like that along those lines. More Serious Colin Colin. Jones would probably be a good coach. I think he'd be an excellent special. Teams Coordinator Yeah. I mean he had a Loris Horia than West Horton you. You're not wrong. You're not wrong wrong. That's a spicy. Take though there are people who think or he's actually I mean he's got a new study right if he's hanging around without being very good player he's not terrible he's just not good five. Four fumbles the one year. He's like the fifty third guy on the roster like he's he's not terrible but there are better better players than him on the team. I have like five four. Fumbles that one year so you know he has a job for life might take. Would Be Cameron Artis Payne as running back coach. Why because he had been here for so long? Well we don't even know if he's bad or good. We never really got a good look at him. That's true that's my offensive. One Brenton Bersin wide wide receivers coach. I take the obvious one but that is correct. Correct Answer Yeah John. Anybody and said Orton on offense. Yeah I duNno Chris Manhertz Team Jacobs and immediately go from player to coaching position. You were just playing at Jericho Khatri very go. This is a good exercise. He actually is a the podcast is yes. He is But a good exercise for future show of the fifty three men on the roster who is going to not be here next year like who the you know. There's obviously the untouchables like Christian McCaffrey. Luke Kuechley Cam a probably Jones. Yeah Colin John's but like Curtis Samuel. Dj More. Brian Burns those guys. But who are the guys that probably the wrong guys like like Chris Manhertz for example or the Andrew White or Reggie Boffon a fun. Actually I think I think Reggie get something out of Reggie Bonifant. Yeah no I I said that ingested because I know we like to talk shit on Reggie Bonifant on but I actually think. He's kind of locked and loaded as McCaffrey like primary backup in what he does responsibility wise and I think there's a chance that McCaffrey won't get eight hundred carries next year. That's show lastly heartache. So my last guy was nate Sallie for defensive back coach way away. People who don't even know who in the hell let is limited to players under like Ron Rivera like recently you never know when a guy might have a second coming saw now. The exception not the rule manner me so many ponds. It's probably going to get old. It's GonNa get real old real quick. Imagine in the next month or so it probably will. There's only so much I'm going to try. and not use them as much until the season starts. But I'm I'm just GONNA call him warn you guys now. Headlines are going to be puns when we win. It's going to be all over the Vikings or whatever. I'm just GonNa go ahead and tell you now. I'm not seriously the his first win. You have to like contractually you like panthers rule the day yes or something. I am not sorry. I'm telling you now but I'm GonNa try not to Overdo overdo them me now the season because I don't want it to get old the best. I know I know that's not gonNA happen. It's it's going to happen at what because things get old on. ceus are very quickly anyway. The best thing you can do is when the Panthers Open the two thousand twenty not. NFL playoffs with first round. By when you open up that how you can watch the game. You say how you can watch the game as the panthers. Welcome up the open or open the welcome Mat against that team and very around the panthers rule the south well. I think we've done enough with this podcast. I think the sky is not falling. Nope just because we didn't hire your guy doesn't mean the world is coming to an end. It's going to be okay okay. And if it's not then David tepper will fire him. Yup and we'll start over. That's just you when you take risks. Sometimes offense what happens but scared money. Don't make money nope. We have certainly not ruled out a sudden firing the end of the year. So I I absolutely doubt unless rule comes out in like murder Sir per or some shit but I they are takes a piss on the San Mill statue or something you know. I don't think I don't think he's going to get fired. I mean even unless we go oh and sixteen and you know. I don't think Freddie Kitchens level kitchens level incompetent. I don't think draw draw to win. We played the look like a football team. Yeah I don't think you'll get fired before like year three. I I think at least get three years. Now it's fair. I think that temper will give him plenty of times his dude now. So 'cause I mean I know people don't want to admit it or talk about but this is a rebuilding project now with Cam Newton Brad. It's not as a serious of a rebuild as some teams but it is a rebuild. Yes we'll see. We didn't really get into the whole cam. Newton thing yeah. I think that's a good thing to talk about in the coming weeks once. They decided there the rest of their coaching staff. I think there's there's no reason to talk about Cam until we have more information. So but thank you for tuning in to the twenty twenty inaugural keep sounding podcasts. Where we got to talk about Matt rule becoming the head coach for the Carolina Panthers? There should be plenty more to come along. I'm not sure when the next one will be because it's the off season and the off-season kind of sucks but hopefully in the next week or two we'll have some time to talk with you guys but from all of us here at the keep sounding podcast. This is Brab. John and Brian Myself and have a good start to your year and should be a fun time watching the panthers. By their next coaches dig is keeps the football for the touchdown I took it in his tongue. CAPES in shouldering takes it for the second McCaffrey. Jonathan Stewart that. He's zoom for a touchdown that's intercepted by the US. More you know gets a road win in New England.

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