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Microsoft plans big Windows 10 UI refresh in 2021
"Microsoft, apparently wants to do a shakeup to the windows ten UI, which has been pretty static for a while. Now, sources are telling window central that Microsoft is planning an extensive windows update for twenty twenty one with design refreshes for many top level. You is including start and file explorer quote. This you I project is code named Sun Valley internally and is expected to ship as part of the windows ten cobalt release scheduled for the holiday twenty twenty, one season internal documentation describes the project as reinvigorating and modernizing the. Windows desktop experience to keep up with customer expectation and a world driven by other modern and lightweight platforms when those ten has remained much the same these last few years with little to no changes in its design or feature set many other platforms on the market have gone through entire redesigns or are you I- refreshes in the last five years, and while windows ten has gone through minor design innovations with the introduction of fluent design. We've not seen a significant refresh or rethinking of its you I the Sun. Valley. Project appears to be spearheaded by the windows devices and experiences team led by chief product officer Panos Panay who took charge of Said Division back in February Microsoft announced in May that the company would be reinvesting in windows ten in the two, thousand, twenty, one timeframe and my sources say that Sun Valley is the result of that reinvestment. It's still too early to nail down exactly what will be updated with Sun. Valley. But sources have said to expect new start menu an action center experiences likely based on those same. Experiences found on windows tax, but tailored for desktop. Microsoft is also working on an updated task bar built with modern code and an improved you I, for the legacy file explorer for tablet users told that better animations and a more fluid experiences on the cards. We already know that Microsoft is redesigning the touch keyboard and emoji picker as those changes are already live in the windows insider deb channel Microsoft will also continue its escapade of rounding off corners throughout the UI, including APP windows and other Shell areas and quote.
Taking a closer look at the Surface Duo
"You have reviewed the surface duo, the Microsoft surface duo, and before we really get into it like this hardware season in particular I feel like we've gone from like Oh, we've got weird experimental form factors to we've got foreign factors that people are trying to make real. What do you think of this idea that we're finally moving away from just flat glass slabs I think it's an interesting dichotomy because on the one hand, we've got Samsung and Microsoft trying late duo screen and folding screens and with the wing. Holy. Is Getting Weird and then love the weird I welcome it. But on the other hand, we've also got the candy. Bar. That traditional smartphone look is really just gone to a point where it's so almost boring, but it's good. That and it's so the formulas or find that Google was able to pixel for a and actually that's what I liked more. But the place for like a surface duo something like that, right? It's not like people haven't tried to make dual screens. Happen is just like the excitement now is palpable. It's people want something like this now where they might not have as much before. Yeah, I think that's like the people want and whether or not there's a market for it is a big question. So the thing that I struggle with is, are they doing this because they can you know the terrific park quote scientists? Or they doing it because they have a genuine vision they're just doing it to like have something that feels new because the the the market is stagnating a little bit and there's like a you know just everything is a candy bar. Now actually we have a clip we'd had Panos Panay service up on the verge cast a while ago when they were first like trotting around showing everybody I'm Andrew can you play that clip from pantry talks about the category of this thing I feel like phone is such a limiting word you know, and then you say well smartphone I don't even know what that. Means and then fablet I'm not sure what that is but everything hasn't identifying factor to it. Even when we started surface people are like so it's a tablet on my tablet just not tablet to surface. I, don't know what to say and you want to categorize it and put it there I. Think if you're going to create a new category, you're going to try and change things push push things forward. The minute you put you put in a box I think you're law so I've been pretty resistant to that just to not end up there I I'm pretty sure pence knows what a fab line is. I don't think he's too lost. When someone says, it's a tablet no I in my review to like I immediately was like what is the surface duo? It's not a phone. It's just not good as a phone, not a phone. It's also not really a tablet in fact, that's a tablet I. think it Kinda Sucks. It's just something trying to be a lot of things and hearing that Panos description of it now makes a lot of sense. This duo seems to be something that doesn't really know what it is and doesn't know what it wants to be, but it's still trying to be a lot of things anyway
How Microsoft built its folding Android phone
"You want to get more done, and you want to get more done with the product that that's in your pocket. This is it. Microsoft chief product officer Panos Panay talking about the new surface duel. Ah folding phone That gives you a pair of screens that it's not running windows. The first product we've ever really shift on Android. That's kind of a thing today says it took five years to figure out how to put two screens side by side that color the light the way the two screens reflect off each other. All that's calculated. And then the hinge itself brings these things together perfectly. There's no room for errors and going for super thin men. Tough choices like including just 1 11 megapixel camera these air hard tradeoffs. Don't get me wrong like you Sit down and go. Do we need how important is it? Are we going to add four millimeters of thickness to this product? We're going to add a massive bump. What happened when you fold it back and it wedges in the pride, so it really doesn't fit in your pocket anymore. It's really kind of thick. The surface duo starts at $1400 with Tech trends. I'm Jim Ryan,
"panos panay" Discussed on Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast
"Your first month plus free shipping on any crate line with code way form at KIKO DOT com. That's thirty percent off your first month at K. I. W.. C. O. DOTCOM PROMO CODE WAY FOR HIM. All right welcome back that was a that was a fun conversation. I always like talking to people like that like specifically because you know you can imagine asking someone in pr why does this device not have a great camera and you can you can imagine an answer from a PR person of like. Well, we thought really hard about this and we decided that it. You know it would be better for us this book and I like that Pineau skin straight up admit like, yeah, we wanted to. Put a good camera but like we really had a focus here on the hinge and now he folded over backwards we thought it was more important and Mike. We can acknowledge both sides of which you would want and not only just acknowledging it. But like he talked about it I, you didn't even get to bring it up again he was just like I know you're GonNa say something about the camera, and this is like a regular pr person would just be sitting there crossing their fingers by dommage. Mentioned the camera and he's just he's open about everything. So I think it's also something we found out after when we were reviewing it, we had We had the debris skin on the back of it just them Pastel blue one for a little bit and not only was it like you know when he had a camera bump on the back of his, it didn't fold flat. It was kind of a wedge and he didn't want to put it in his pocket that way even when I put the Debrecen skin on the back that just those two sheets of sticker basically worked to thick. To folded completely flat on the back. Yeah. Like really close but it wouldn't technically be all. That's how precise it is. It will be three, hundred, fifty, nine degree hinge, which is good enough not good enough for Microsoft you wanted to full totally flat and I think that's a big thing that I wish I'd done more often as folded over open and leave it open pocket. He he mentioned that's how we mostly carries the phone around and yeah at first you're like, oh, one of the reasons this folds because it protects the all the time and I don't really need to worry about it but. We we put screen out a screen is always out in our regular phone. So why is it and gorilla glass? Yeah it'll survive. So I think that's something I would do more if I were to use it even more but I don't know I like I said I'm really looking forward to the second generation of this this duo because it's it's still pretty Rough around the edges with this He. So he mentioned that he doesn't WanNa go too deep into the roadmap for very very obvious reasons. But he let you explain your prediction your prediction was in like five years. You thought it might come to the point of having a foldable screen, right? If I were to be a betting man for almost anybody who's a large A large entity at a tech company they. would. I would assume the answer would say. We're we're totally fine with two screens at focuses on productivity. We like our hinge more that is our focus and just completely skip the question of folding screen and instead he was out bet on you, right? Yes. That's another not pr answer like it seems very much like. Yes. They're interested in a folding screen. It doesn't work to the specifications they have right now doesn't fit in that form factor, but it's something they're looking into. So I I. I, honestly thought going into that. He would mentioned something about like maybe another Microsoft product in the future that would have a folding screen, but duo is always going to be this yet two very distinct screen thing and But we might see. I cannot imagine how sick do would be with a folding screen seems impossible right? It does I mean really with the with the tech and folding screens not only does it not fold out very well because you stretch it in the middle but the one folding phone that did fold like that had like a big side basil like a real big side vessel to fit all those drivers in it. The way may x is what it's called I think now it's been so long we I still haven't got. Off to one of those, Vince is not even real. I WANNA try one, but even just think about right now think about the full or the duo form factor not being able to three hundred sixty degrees but being able to fold open flat. And still have a folding screen even just thinking about that is pretty wild. Yeah. especially. If some out there and have any puzzles either or like much much smaller puzzles be fascinated but I just I think it just proves that how that's how great and how good. The form factor feels on the do you know what? Though you know what the number one thing I got out of that conversation was we gotta get back to that Aniko chamber. Jokes. GotTa go seriously like the. We've described it probably twice now on this podcast but the little visit we had to Microsoft labs when we first got that preview of the duo when we first saw panos his matte black version with the camera on the back when we were I like getting a look at this idea and he mentioned we he was considering having us in even earlier but. All of that was also alongside like check out this lab where we do material finishes and here's how we do the leather and here's how we do the architecture finish on the surface laptops. Yeah. Three D. Printing and stuff, and also some some audio testing and Aniko. Chamber and the people involved in that are all awesome. So I I would love to bring I. Don't know if here's what I think would happen if we brought all of this podcast equipment into the Aniko Chamber, I think you would start to hear more of the coils and the things happening in the equipment itself before you even hear voices or body noise. Yeah, I like that's what I. Want I want to know how much different it would be just by where we face the microphones like if I. If it were facing too close to the mixers are GonNa, start picking up stuff on the mixer. Faces too close to my chest. Is it going to pick up my heartbeat? I won't. Be In a podcast. But yes, so it would be it's so direct because I think the thing you don't realize is when you're sitting in a room and talk or someone around you talks the reason that you can tell where they are in the room is because their voice echoes and bounces around the room in a different way. So it's bouncing off the wall to the right of you in the left of you and behind you and you can hear how big the room is and you can hear where they are in the room. And when you go in this this super super dent dark like how soft whatever the the Aniko Chamber you get in there and so on. Twelve feet away from you talks there is absolutely no indication whatsoever of how big room is it is just their voice and you can't even really tell where they are relative to you. They're either right in front of you next to you or behind you. But. You couldn't tell how far away they are. It's just their voice and so that's the weirdest thing I think if we brought this equipment in there, you would it would just sound like a normal podcast but even less reverb because it would just be. So Directional if I pointed this at my chest, you would just be hearing whatever's in my chest I. Think you'll be awfully wild. It sounds. Like a dream and nightmare to edit in terms of adjusting sound because I'm so picky with any little type of noise or which is like why we run a podcast next to a truck yard is beyond me but also like. I think you're GonNa hear some really weird stuff and I think we also need to get co Paul was at his name. Yeah, he was. Arguably one of the most fascinating people I've ever met in tech and I would love to just do a bunch of tests in there with him and talk to him about tests that he does as well and I think it would. I think it would be fascinating and so much fun of. And I think he would love it too because he just seemed like the type of guy who genuinely genuinely loves his job seemed like he spends a lot of time in there too like he's been there often. Wonder. If that's locked himself for quarantine. Totally, cool. With speaking of Corentin everyone please where your masks because they'll get us over to Seattle quicker and maybe.
Microsoft releases Surface Duo
"Wasn't a surprise to anybody who was seeing the writing on the wall but I somebody who wasn't aware that Microsoft was preparing to release a phone or a surface duo that isn't quite a phone. The announcement happened. It happened on Tuesday. It was a pretty big deal for people who? have been looking forward to this product. It was announced alongside the surface neo, which was a is a windows ten x product that has been since delayed before we get into the actual product was this launch sped up at all like we were under the impression that it would come out later in twenty twenty perhaps in the fall or or or even the holiday season but now it's launching in September. What what happened to push up that launch if if anything? Yes. So chat out to Zach Boden, our senior editor who's been. Covering a lot of this and he's the one that's been a lot of the sourcing on this information. So important to talk with this device has been in development literally for five years at least conceptually up until now in a lot has changed since then you know the chemo. was interested in this idea of round two, thousand, fifteen apparently, and he started putting together how how they do stuff at that. One reason you don't get leaks for Microsoft, is they build stuff internally in this one building on campus they three d print everything. So it always stays internal, but he started printing up like basically two smaller screens and tach dumb start carrying them in his pocket. Investigating what was the ideal size here. and. Then we start hearing about around two thousand seventeen. She's started hearing around two thousand seventeen and back then it was GONNA be like windows mobile or maybe kind of windows ten device we weren't really sure and then windows quarrel West started coming out with information air, which is basically abstractions of way from the with the fundamental understanding of windows ten is. And then. Stuff basically change right? They made a decision some time I believe in two thousand, nineteen early on that they weren't going put windows ten on this or windows ten acts or windows quarter wes. For the simple fact that they needed mobile APPS. So they made this like pretty last minute change to go to android and because of that. You know. It was announced with the android a last year as you mentioned, and then it was gonna be holiday season for this year but the specs of the device haven't changed much mostly because they've been so focused on core aspects of the design and function -ality which we'll talk about later that you know it's running a snapdragon e fifty five we all know does have she does doesn't have certain features that people expect in their phones and the F. Samsung coming out with the full to, and we only have the flip and LG. So the market is already starting to move towards this. So they did speed up the release and it's not so much a sped it up cutting corners it just it's done. The hardware was already done for a while it was more about getting android onto this device and as you know and you can speak to a little bit. It's didn't just slap android on this they worked with Google what really makes us device interesting is just how good android To work on dual screens but because of that. They sped it up. And they want to get it out as soon as possible because we already know internally do oh to is in developments like you know calm people expect companies now to do yearly updates on phones yearly yearly releases I should say and that's pretty much can be the case here we're expecting and you can't. You don't want to release a phone in December or November and then released next ball you know knowing how like six or seven months eight months ago I mean some people would only buy with four months upgrade right you. You try to avoid that as much as possible. So yeah, they're trying to get if you're one plus which you do twice a year up. Yes. Right, they're crazy. Yeah. So but yeah so that that's concept long. It's been pushed up ahead of time, but it's basically finished. So it's good. Okay. So before we get into the android side of things, I, still want I wanNA linger on hardware a little bit because it is so important to talk about what you're getting. Panos Panay. So you mentioned Panos, this is the chief product officer of. Microsoft he's the person who stands on stage introducing all the surface products and over the last few years that's run the gamut from surface laptop to the surface book. To the surface pro, we have that massive surface screening. What's that thing called the studio studio which is beautiful. So. There's clearly a cohere cohesion in the hardware division right now that I it finds. Microsoft. Sort of at the peak of its game and I've been really impressed with it as somebody who does not really. Spend a lot of time in that world not nearly as much somebody like you. Tell me about the surface. Design as it relates to other surface products and what the intent is given that it is an android phone, ultimately how it plans to fit into that surface narrative if you will share I I just wanted to talk about a little bit about who this is four because this is such A. You know we're we're so used to win a phone comes out funding like some something from Samsung, for instance. It's a mass release consumer device Arabize by everybody wants it. Surfaces typically aren't like that you need to think of surface devices one as harass perations devices. So they're always a little bit more expensive. They're also things that other companies are supposed to look at like that's a good idea we should do that. Encourages companies to. Not necessarily copied design one for one but a to rip off of it basically to get inspired by do their own take And that sort of the role of surface duo it's not meant to compete with Samsung and apple at this level of like grandma's GonNa go by Jimmy down the streets going to go by my neighbor Bob. Want want it's it's not that you may look at it. It'd be like that's a cool idea. Someday I may want something like that. That is exactly It's built for Panos Panay. Send us like publicly it's built for fans of surface people who live in Microsoft ecosystem. That's a very small group of people admittedly, and that's their expectations here for a sales. You know it's and so when people complaining what type of price later on all this kind of stuff, I get it but at the same time. They see this as sort of just a foot in the door for this new category of devices they're hoping in a couple of years as they go through rations, other companies get evolved that prices come down that. Then it becomes that mass consumer device no different than how surface pro did the same thing whichever's pro came out years ago two, thousand twelve. People laughed at it. It got bad battery life had problems. It didn't. You'll people complain about lap ability like there's all this kind of stuff going on with that and he stuck with it now served pros a well established sort of concept in terms of two and once. So. Of. Markets for and terms of design. You know some people will point to courier, which goes back to two thousand nine. This is a Microsoft project that was internal. It's a hassle dating story about development they were supposed to. They basically came to Bill Gates and was like we can do like windows phone and mobile, or we can do this courier thing and they decided against her. Because it was too proprietary. It didn't actually run any version of windows everything in it was custom built firmware. So you couldn't run like out what God was all this custom. Stuff but you couldn't stall things. And there's some DNA there. Right. But you know four Panos is idea comes down to a digital mole skin. He's been obsessed with this idea I don't even know what it most until years ago, which is a fancy journal, right? It's a bound fancy journal that people in artists and creative people like to carry around and he loves his idea of like a small digital version of that March has always done this idea. That's why other displays are three two aspect ratio. They liked to base things off of what we already know magazines, books, things that work right you. You can criticise whether books you know analog books today are relevant, but the fact is there's something about. Books Right. Like we all have kindles we all love kindles but we also all love the idea sometimes if growing up with a nice book, just opening it up and dog eared the the pages that's where to concept of duo comes from his his idea of a dual screen. Digital Journal kind of device could also work on with two displays.
E Ink demos a folding e-reader that can also take notes
"The windows team with the core development going to the cloud and a team Aka Azure and the front end of the team. Now under Panos Panay Micras. Now, moving the fundamentals and developer exterior team back underpants as leadership. The windows core engineering team will
Surface Neo won’t be out until 2021, and neither will any Windows 10X dual-screen device, rumor claims
"Mary Jo. Foley reports that according to sources Microsoft Chief Product Officer Panos. Panay informed his team that the dual screen surface neo device won't ship in twenty twenty as originally announced. The delay will also see Microsoft not enabling third party dual screen windows ten x devices in this year as well and sources say that the android based surface duo has not been delayed. As part of these internal discussions.
Google opens up Glass Enterprise Edition 2 for direct purchases
"Remember after Google got rid of Google class. Then they were like well. Actually we've made another Google Glass So there's Google glass enterprise edition to and it. It's a few tweaks. It is pretty much like the original Google glasses. And apparently it's been it's been hot with Semitic Semitic prizes and now they're just gonNA sell directly to you. Don't have to be part of like you had to be sort of special organization somehow to get your hands hands on Google Glass Enterprise Edition to and now you could just be a pledge and give Google L. dollars for one of the greatest flops in human history. I just love it I just love this little guy keeps on going poor. Google I mean I will never forget wearing google. Glass the indy. Five hundred and just a thousand drunk through closed. That was just like no. But that's what that's what everyone wants. It's from Mt a camera to your face. That's the level of value that you need to look this dumb. Well I'm GonNa buy one good now. You're what
"panos panay" Discussed on The Vergecast
"USA Salt Lake City branch so some actual news and Consumer Tech Land. Tom Warren tweeted it. this Mike Shop News. This way he just said it's Microsoft Were York Day implies it happens on the frequency of like a patch Tuesday like for sure at least annually. Right in stuff happened but it's been days since last up so so our our boy play now in charge of the windows in addition to Hardware D. Do you WANNA YOU WANNA walk us through it. He's in charge of windows clients as I hate this term which intelligent edge do you want to try to explain? The difference between azure windows and windows client windows client why it is a software that Iran on your computer. It's really does is grant is Microsoft has decided that windows ndo is a good brand and so therefore everything that they do in some way is windows no so their brand uh-huh does is still around. Does like technically there was a minute where they like. xbox runs windows and Kinda yeah and then Hololens runs windows. Well L. SORTA and there's like all these different versions of the shell that is also the client and it gets very complicated very quickly. The point is the the thing that you think of as windows has now been moved under the auspices of Panos Panay. Who until now is doing all the hardware stuff? So he's making all the surface yes and the you know the PR was like the the whole thing that you expect everybody to say which is tightly tie hardware and software together and it'll make the whole thing better The true it's also to me shows that whereas del GonNa go oh like how. What kind of advantages could Microsoft give surface devices are under this unified thing? Maybe you could think of something. It might be something small. Might be something big. Who knows but no matter what whether they are completely neutral and give no advantages to surface hardware because of the hardware software immigration given nice little or something huge? Where's Dogo go whereas HP GONNA go what are they gonNA do gotten idea? Is it Lennox. They should by no why not. So this is there's only a few comparisons Persson's here right And I said this a lot. I've talked to Panos about this a lot Over the years Microsoft is the only company that has ever had had a successful hardware business at the same time licenses the operating system to its competitors. There's there's not another one yeah. Low cyst is Google android and they do not have a successful hardware business fair. Yep right like the Pixel is always sort of just like around the edges doesn't sell very well Samsung is the winner. And and then everyone else gets to play. What about Tom? Licensing Palm Louis fighter diener still has. PTSD I mean it gave us the Sony clear. That was nice. I had I had a hand Darah phone. The word I was using was successful because this company still exists there. For example did any of those executives look happy at the time right I mean that is like that is the singular example of. Here's what seems like a good idea but it is actually a disaster that ruins the company. Right we're GONNA make the hardware we're GONNA. They spun it out. It's called Palm source worse. There's a whole thing palm this. They spun it back in. Leo showed up everything that was much later but yes so the the only other comparison is Google and for the longest time the way the handled it was basically the same right. So Google will tell you that the Pixel team and the ANDROID team. Don't get to talk right. Do you truly believe this. But they will tell you this and are like generally sincere here bunch. But they're like the Pixel team licenses android just like Samsung does. Yeah they will also tell you that the reason that the nexus existed before the Pixel was was We want to create like a halo flagship device. Tells the rest of the industry where to go which is another thing that Microsoft has said many times with the surface and in both cases for a while. This was definitely true. The main reason to sing existed was to convince the rest of the industry that it was possible to make something that wasn't a piece of crap. Yes they could they they could make a nice thing. It turns out that it would sell. Yes so the flip side was for the longest time Panos on our show would say we we love our ecosystem. We you know. The world needs windows laptops. Our job was to push the hardware forward. I don't have special access to Windows. He said it to us a thousand times and it is true that when they started surface. You know the story he is he is told. Is You'd like go to the store you'd go to best buy into Renault windows laptop over seven hundred dollars and apple is destroying them on the high end so they they wanted it to make a laptop that competed at the high. End the premium stuff. None of the vendors wanted to do it because they didn't see the opportunity they didn't want to sink the cost. Microsoft has all the money they spent all the they spent all the the money they built the fancy hardware. Let that propagate through biko system right so like hinge design a custom thermals. All that Seth like Microsoft actually shares pretty freely freely with its ecosystem. Great so Microsoft eats the upfront heartfelt cost. They don't get special access to Windows. But they don't need to bloat wear Blah Blah Blah. Turns is actually successful right. It's not just like pie in the Sky Pixel next thing. It's a very successful business line. They make great products and now they're going to remove the barrier between the operating system team and the hardware team and that that. I think there's more there than you know it's like how much do you believe that barrier exists like they say it is important to say so partners believe you or is it like it was never really there and we're just going to drop the fiction I lean towards the latter but the fact that the neo is coming right the the windows ten x folding thing. Yeah if there was if that fiction was actually in some sort of Chart Joe Bellevue aures over there. And he's got to set up a meeting into figure the thing with the software to do the other thing. Bob La La that adds some time and friction at least organizationally to making sure that windows connects actually works on a dual screen device. or You know another thing like Holland's or whatever right we know teams are thinking about windows and windows client and like all Dell and HP and whether you do next and how they being happy and you know dotted out And this the hardware team is over here thinking about hardware and then it turns out that Oh wait. We need the software to do a thing to make our hardware work. They have a meeting and now the meeting can just be and they'll have a team. Of course yes. But they'll be able to turn the the wheel faster on the new stuff they WANNA try and they'll be able to get stuff done especially for this very very important launch of the duo. I think a little more quickly. Do you think this has any impact on Microsoft's thick thinking that the way to monetize windows this client is office. Three sixty five and I don't know skype credit one drive. Yeah I mean when does is basically free I mean you know. It's it's not hard to get a copy. Those they want to make all the money off of all those subscriptions for sure. Well I feel like as someone. Let's say I am the future. I'm going to buy Dell Laptop. I'd feel better about that purchase. That windows is something that Microsoft works on passionately to make it work great on surface surface and also works well enough with its now competitor's and the laptop space to make sure that all the drivers work and stuff like that versus is a Microsoft is like hey we made this free to play operating system with a bunch of up sell opportunities and we also you know we also put it on our hardware and we offer for free to all all the you know I I just feel like I would like Microsoft to be passionate about windows and I haven't gotten that vibe in the past few years that's fair I mean I I just saw Adela and he we put up like look there's a lot of android IOS phones in the world. We're going to address them. We're GONNA make an android phone of our own. There's a lot of windows devices. There's and there's a Lotta Mex- like we're out there doing it. And then he was like pivoted to like windows for Iot like that's how he's thinking. All of these. Things are endpoint for Microsoft Microsoft software and services and all those end points talk to Azure which is where they make the money quote. Sometimes I say quote. Hey look doc should I call windows as your edge on quote unquote so I was watching a bunch of very fancy journalists when he said that and and like Ben Smith from Buzzfeed Andrew Sorkin from the Times. And I'm the NERD who was like what's so so just to bring this all the way back around. I think the answer to panic now runs hardware. He runs windows client which which is windows in Dell all is a Microsoft clearly sees its future and delivering this kind of big service experience. Yeah it is better for that business. If the dells of the world are successful right there are more points and I think you see that from the della like it's just to him. It's a series of points that he can put Microsoft Services on other people services are on that rely on Azure. That's his version of the business That's very compelling. He's pulled it off right. Yeah they're making tons of money making tons of money Developer seem very happy with them knowing thanks to them as evil anymore like there there are much happier healthier company. Cincinnati Bell has taken over right there. So so there's no confusion about what they are what they're doing. There's no hand wringing about the future of Windows is a business right. Like they're just making their move there. It's going over there. So if you're Dell L. or your Lenovo or whatever I think the answer is oh we still have an operating system to make hardware against and we can come in just under the surface line which is mostly what they do right. They they crib a lot of design. It's true But then they do on the high end they do different things. There's no surface gaming NBC. Right that's where all the action is right now in the PC market that's where the growth is gaming. PC's high performance feces so they can win those spaces and then I don't think Microsoft off really wants to sell like fleets of five hundred dollar laptops to ups drivers and that's just a huge market for all these companies still be in and I as long as windows is still relatively relatively good or its capabilities. Keep going forward. I think it's good for this companies and I think again I I think panels a good executive. I think he understands that challenge. And we've talked about it with him so many times if he's pushing windows for because he wants to make cool hardware for surface I don't think he's GonNa like do the bad thing and hold it back from everybody else I I think that is the enormous temptation for him. So we're going to have to check but Y- like if he wants to make folding windows devices in two years. Everyone of access that capability ability windows now he. That's pretty good actually just to wrap it up. That is a contrast to what Google's doing they are holding back they're very good Pixel camera camera software algorithms from everybody else could you know but that that's special for the pixel an android everybody else gets android with bad cameras. Yeah like I think. There's a difference between like the capability in the software that enables your hardware if that makes any sense like the pixel cameras. There's a reason you should by the Pixel right exactly but there's not that much software that enables the hardware on surface quite yet not really. There's like basic like battery controller. Turn the camera cameron stuff but the real question will be when windows ten x comes out. Will there be cool windows stuff. That is only available on the surface. Do Oh yeah or was it the NEO which given that. I've sat around with the cats. Don't ask me we'll see I mean it's it's You know Panos is making the surface duo to. That's his that's his baby so he's in charge of windows and he's making an android phone. Historically those those have not been the same groups of people. But I guess we're we're we're GONNA find out all right we'll take a break. We come speaking Google Google earnings this week. We're GONNA talk about it and they're rumors when.
"panos panay" Discussed on Gadget Lab Podcast
"Sense of if you're a mobile professional you want to move and you. WanNa fool. PC with you at all times so pro x was meant to do for you but it also has this chip in it called the Microsoft S Excu one chip. I think I got that right. Is that right okay rescue. What is this all chip so we partner with qualcomm about. I don't I don't know the timeframes actually a two to three years ago. We started building a chip that where we knew we wanted to build a product from the inside out in the sense of if we're gonNA push leading edge if we were going to get to that five point two millimeters of thinness but with the full to if you will teraflops of GP and full capability with full speed we had to redesign rethink the processor altogether so we sat and we designed it together. We created it. We there's an AI block basically on the device where you can offload basically machine learning or any I work that wanted to be done. I think you saw some collapsed today and then the fundamental. GPO was exactly what we wanted to push for that allowed it to be passively cooled allowed the product to become as thin as it needed and wanted to be but it also probably it. There's nothing like in its class that has its performance and a PC architecturally this. How important is it to control the silicon in today's world of hardware. It's important to build the silicon in the device together for sure and with all our partners right now were and very deep like we partner with Andy we in very deep. We have a new chipset. That's in the laptop. Fifteen inch we part with Intel were building from the ground up if view sauce surface neo today because this is the truth of the product from the inside out has to be fully custom and clear and you see Microsoft s q one which is the beginning of kind of a shipping a product with qualcomm and putting market where you're getting the full performance of a piece with the benefits of the mobile architecture and arm prequel. What are you most excited about this year. It's not fair to ask this question really and I knew you would I could feel it coming feeling like in feelings. Wrap up feelings a big thing. I think it's totally unfair. It's like asking asking who your favorite child is honestly and I have four kids and one time I said in a keynote which who my favorite was and I'm still feeling the pain from from it. Just see you know to this day. I can't even repeat what I said but I was like you. All have a favorite you'd know it and this one's mind and it was a joke but holy kill myself feeling that pain so I don't think I'm an answer your question. I'll tell you this the current surface product line as it stands collectively. It feels like this symphony of choice for customers. I don't think there's a there isn't a product that can't serve somebody to get to their most creative a point and I'm passionate about it like it's it's got the it's full. It's it's come such a long way from what you just asked seven years ago like that question like at some point have to let the Arteaga should ask it every single time because I love answering it every single time but I'm pretty proud of the product but most proud of the team so he said what's your favorite thing. I think my favorite everything if I were to step back at a product permanent is how much loved team puts into these products and when I say team this is Microsoft I mean really across the board and I have my favorite teams too but I won't tell you when you talk about these though is suites of products. I see what you're saying because you're you really are starting to fill in the gaps but then I think about something like let's look at your competitor apple and and the way that their software works from mobile to laptop right so right now if I were to buy one of the new surface laptop so that's GonNa be running windows ten. Let's say I buy the super cool new duo. Oh which is a phone because that's my that's my mobile. you know how how are those two operating systems actually went together. They will we're well. That's where we're building this. This is are we have. We have a good year head start but the fundamental the seamlessness of the your phone APP. That's out there right now. It's built focused on our product where surface pro x surface laptop surface book surface pro. All of them are going to have a pure integration with surface duo hundred percent. It'll feel seamless. Were pretty excited about that. That's a big reason why I like the customers at work in the store all the time and say no. Can I get a can. I get a product to put in my pocket. Some people say phone and they were pretty excited about that part. I look forward to trying it out. Thank you so much for your time. It's a lot of fun a lot of fun cinemas always if you're running your own a business stop for a moment and think about all the hours you spend moving information from one service to another or from your desktop to the cloud and back again all that software doesn't work together seamlessly seamlessly so you have to do a lot of manual work to get the different APPS and services sharing data..
"panos panay" Discussed on Gadget Lab Podcast
"New surface laptop to surface pro seven to totally wire free surface ear buds but there were a couple of new products in particular that stood out mainly because one of them signals Microsoft's move back into mobile. It's it's a dual screened pocket device that runs on Android but Microsoft chief product officer. Panos panay insisted it wasn't a quote unquote phone and of course I had to ask him about this. Why Microsoft has decided now to get back into the game. We also talked about the surface pro x a tablet debts running windows ten. Eh powered by a mobile chipset so without any further build up. Here's Panos Panos. Thanks so much for joining us on the Gadget lab today. Thanks for coming over to see US pretty exciting day. Actually it's been a really interesting day here at Microsoft and we are taping this from Microsoft Conference Room so if the audio is a little bit different than what you're normally used to on the the gadget lab that is why but hopefully you'll forgive because I think this is going to be a really interesting conversation and I want to start off by quoting you from almost exactly a year ago the last time we met here on this campus you were showing me the surface go back then and I asked you towards the end never conversation which ran on the gadget lab. Are you working on a phone. I don't know if I put it as bluntly as that but we we got there and you said that your plans for the future. It doesn't include a surface phone but includes the way to think about what it is. People want to accomplish and how will they accomplish it and what are those form factors and the thing is this is. I'm seeing something today that it looks a lot like a phone. I think what you're seeing is a surface. You are it in it looks and it and it is exactly those things I mean. This is is about a product we built that can help people accomplish more but actually more so than just accomplish feel good about it and so we look at new foreign factors all the time. We've been working on this one for some time when you asking that question. I remember my heart sinking a little bit like how do I answer and truth is we don't. I don't look at it as a phone I look at it as a surface so I can justify the answer at some level but at the same time it's a pretty cool form factor. It's small. It's like a phone and it just extends the capabilities of everything you can do on your phone today so you can just do so much more so let's quickly co through what we're seeing today there first there's the surface neo and that is a dual screen device but it's got a thirteen point one inch diagonal. Don't WanNA extended then. We're looking at the duo which has an eight inch diagonal when it's extended when it's closed each individual's screen has it's a five point six inch display okay. Jim Pretty good so far but and so it's not a foldable which is big word right now because the Samsung's foldable displays this is something that's a dual screen foam. You talk about why you decided to do that. It was just about how much can be accomplished in the in two screens coming together for people and accomplished again and take that into how much more creative you can be more productive. You can be where you don't have to context which out of a single screen it's also the ability that there's a three hundred sixty degree hinge that allows these these two screens to go back to back and then use it in a phone like you you can't imagine the benefits of being able to let this device software and hardware together adapt up to you and that's a big thing there's limitations with foldable that you will not find here with our two screens coming together and then ultimately the elegance of how thin it is and how light it is now how it fits in your pocket and you know you put those two screens together and you put it up next to the phone you're holding towards me and they're the same exact thickness for the most part and you so. It's bringing those elements of beauty. There are so important when you pull something to your backfield good and then it's extending you into being more creative and productive and that's I think that's the inspiration of surface all up when you look at the whole new surface line. That's what drives US productivity. How do we how do we help. People be everything they want to be when they're creating. How do we help them produce what they want to produce create. Crete their dreams right off of that canvas. That's an instrument that we call surface and just to be clear. It makes phone calls. Absolutely it makes phone calls but I don't you know how many people actually make phone calls anymore. That's what my Jealous I. We look at the data over like God. There's not a lot of phone calls compared to text and video calls and everything else but you absolutely Lulu does make phone calls like that. Can I have no speech for that so this. I mean this is a big deal. You used to be in the mobile phone. Business Microsoft exited the mobile phone business. You know that people people are going to see this and they're gonNA think Microsoft's getting back into the phone business. You're working with Google on this which we're going to get to but let's talk about why now because to me. It seems like there are a couple big companies out there. Microsoft Amazon comes to mind where there's really the you make a lot of really good products but the phone has been this this glaring omission right and but now we're at a point where the market's getting a little bit more mature and sales are slowing the smartphone so what made you think it but we should still be. We should still be working on a phone. We should still be making that thing that pocket thing. I think we it was pretty simple. There is an era of mobile. You've talked about internal anyway. This era of mobile creativity is happening. Like how much can you get down on your the devices in your pocket your phone and I think it's limited today and we always always looked at it and said if we can bring surface productivity or surface creation to the smaller form factor the one that would would expand kind of create or complete the symphony of devices that we have today the different instrument that somebody might use and we have huge fans and surface. You know we have a pretty large business. That's growing. We have fans that ask a lot. Hey are you ever GonNa make a phone and while we didn't look at it as a foam we built it. We looked into the surface. It felt like the right time because in the extension of this modern era you're doing more and more your sharing sharing more content right off that screen and while people we know they love our current product line and we hope we we are going to have a you know a great holiday today with the products that we're announcing today but we also know that extending into the pocket makes a massive difference but it was only relevant truly truly only relevant if we knew we do know that you can be more productive more creative on it otherwise it's just a phone that wasn't it and that's why it's surface and that's what we're going after we this is bringing all of Microsoft together on one product again but it's on the West that's right for the product and why is the Google android o s right for the product and it's just a first off. It's androids and incredible. Os It's the largest in the world fundamentally when it comes was to mobile devices and you know the applications that you can get from android. That's just real. That's what people need and that's what we're here for. Socio talks about people centered design the way we think about people people I as a matter of fact all the technology that we build today it should and must fade to the background. It shouldn't matter what the says it shouldn't matter alternately at all it what should matter is what you WanNa do and so this is the right of West for what people want to do in this form factor but it's also the best Microsoft on it. I mean it is and so that's what we're doing. We're bringing surface to that mobile form factor and we're you know we're partnered with Google to do it. Did you consider at any point reviving or rebuilding a Microsoft mobile operating system no not at all no why is that because at the end of the day where the application sit today like the opportunity that people already have lean into that developers over to take advantage of is right there and there there's a there's a reality you too that I think is you know to ignore. That would be a bit silly like it would be very silly. Did you consider at any point making a single screen device that would have been google but with great Microsoft software. I consider a lot of things this team thinks about a lot of things and like I told you last when it makes sense for the form factor to be different to make people more productive we might make it. I think in the case of a single screen phone now we didn't think about it but we will always think about new form factors but ultimately this was about dual screen with a three hundred sixty degree hinge with software that was gonNA adapt both on Neil and duo. That was gonna make you more productive. I don't think you know that product exists. It's actually the antithesis of a single screen phone in many ways for me. Explain in that a little bit more because ultimately get to stay in context more and with your phone. You're switching INCON- switching context all the time I know there's application layers and and people are saying no you can do two things at the same you don't people don't like no the end of the day with the structured space that we're creating and then windows on. Neil especially like you're just watching this flow in in between two applications or one extending your mind. It's magical I. I can't wait for people to use it because it really is magical. Your mind turns on. You're actually thinking less than getting more done. which is a very powerful state the state we see that I call that we talked about his flow? It's like the time when you not thinking your best idea comes up. You're actually thinking you're just not trying to and mystifies puts you. They're both of them do.
"panos panay" Discussed on Gadget Lab Podcast
"Senior writer Lauren good hello our most loyal listeners might have just noticed that that inter sounded a little different and that's because Arielle has just been promoted to senior writer here wired relations and her areas of coverage will be changing being a little bit and we're excited not only four her but also because you're still going to be joining us in the podcast when you can rate that's right. That's right so tell us a little about your areas of coverage now and and what kinds of bits of gossip and tips and juicy information people can send your way. I am interested in all the gossip tech related or not. I'm very easy to find on twitter quitter and email so if you wanna gossip I'm always here but my new role will be focusing a little bit more on the weird intersections between different parts of our tech quarreled so I'll still be covering gadgets when I can but I also had a story run in our business section today. I have a story running in our science section in a couple of days so I'll be doing a little bit more more cross desk explorations excellent well. That's all the news that we have time for the news. That's the big news. I'm just kidding actually actually later on in the show. We're going to have an interview with Microsoft Chief Product Officer Panos Panay that Lauren conducted this past week and you are not going to want WanNa miss that law Roman up to Seattle to see the brand new surface neo and service duo ahead of their big reveal and well. Microsoft is getting back into the phone business even though they don't want you to call it a phone we had a chance to ask Panos all kinds of questions and you'll hear Lauren deliver those questions with pointed tongue later later but first. There's some news to get through. I that's right. I think I encourage all of you to do a shot. Every time you hear me say the word phone and every time you oh say the word surface in response people to die. You know I mean drink responsibly but get your shock last ready. Okay so you know that we can't let this podcast go by without updating you on facebook a little bit earlier this week the verge published transcripts from two hours of leaked audio from facebook facebook meetings that occurred this past July. Now the fact that the audio leaked was noteworthy in itself since facebook hosts regular employee meetings in generally we don't hear anything about them but but was more noteworthy where some of the things Mark Zuckerberg had to say about facebook competitors the threat of government regulation and how his own personal conduct impacts the way people look at the company so there wasn't any one big bombshell remark that stands out to me anyway from these meetings and I did read through the transcript but Zuckerberg did. I'd say that if Elizabeth Warren gets elected president in twenty twenty he anticipates legal challenge because she of course has called for huge structural changes to the tech sector and he said he would fight that basically sucker. Berg also said that tick tock is doing well and indicated. It's a Chinese company. He's keeping a close eye on talked about how facebook has launched a competitive product uncalled. Lasso and Mexico sort of test the waters in a market that doesn't have a big presence he talked about people's perceptions facebook including the press and how people people need to people at facebook need to back trust and he downplayed some of the reports about contractors who work content moderators for the company calling them over for dramatic so like I said it wasn't really one thing I think that necessarily jumped out but the summation of remarks that gave people a window into what Zuckerberg is thinking right now so is facebook finds. Its way through these murky waters. What did you guys think of this. I I kind of wonder if you guys got the sense that he's downplaying some of the major existential threats threats to facebook right now or or if maybe I'm over playing the existential threats because as I see it like it's not just Elizabeth Warren that's a threat in this antitrust stuff afraid like there are multiple antitrust probes against facebook that are already happening so the idea that the company is monopoly might get broken up is a is a very real threat as far as I can tell but there's also this public perception issue right like people are not super keen on facebook as a company they're not super keen on Zuckerberg as a person and and that seems like an existential threat as well and what I sort of found reading through this is that he seemed to kind of brush a lot of that away like tick tock whatever over it's bigger keeping an eye on it dealing with Elizabeth Warren whatever she might pose a legal threat but we're GONNA fight it. Do you think that's a valid response. That was those are also his remarks to his employees right so he's probably holding a little bit back right and some level you probably want to offer reassurances reassurances to your employees because you have to make sure they keep working and stay motivated and are at least relatively happy about the place that they're working working adding contributing most of their waking life too so you have to you know sort of mollify people if you will in your employee workforce in order to. Oh make them feel better about what they're they're working for you on a day to day basis but I agree with you in the sense that the way that he especially talked about the press he basically basically said we got away with a lot the first years existence and then sometime around twenty sixteen which was a big election year. people started to pay more attention to these issues. Once it comes back to this is the way we're being perceived. People are paying attention. People are looking people are criticizing and scrutinizing rather other than Oh and finally all the things we were doing several years earlier that were questionable are now coming to light so yeah. I don't know facebook as because of this because perception problems facebook has real problems right well speaking of facebook which is definitely not a monopoly despite the fact that it owns facebook instagram WHATSAPP MESSENGER and now a brand new messaging. Adam has a brand new messaging APP. It's called threads. This is something it's been launched as a spin off of instagram so it's a standalone APP but it works as a complement to your instagram experience you have to download threads separately but then he log in with your instagram credentials and it's basically meant to extend the experience of your close friends list so that's a feature that launched last year on instagram. I'm it lets you pick a couple. People who see privileged content on your instagram's stories. I'm threads is meant to be just for those people so your close friends. Last are the only only people who show up in threads. Now the APP kind of works like snapchat. I hate to make that comparison but it's the easiest way to explain it. it opens to the camera and then there's inbox where you can chat with your friends but because it's only for your close friends you can basically customize the experience so you're only getting notifications from the people you really care about and then you can check their messages and look at their photos without having to wade into the vortex of the main instagram app to me it seems kind of absurd for facebook to launch yet another messaging. APP especially one that is sort of like an extension of instagram. DM experience but at the same time I'm kind of secretly into to it I love the idea that you can have a space. That's just for the people who've decided you want to be bothered by and turn off notifications for absolutely everything else. Only check your instagram feed when you're ready to waste an hour scrolling people's fotos and really prioritize those connections that are meaningful to you and that's what instagram's product product team said when I interviewed them about this they said like what would it look like to have a messaging experience that was just for the people you care about and no one else could infiltrate that and I thought it was kind of Nice. But what do you guys think do you. Do you use the close friends future. I don't but I noticed a lot of people do and I think that threads launching is sort of evidence. What's that a lot of people are using close friends and it's also evidence at a lot of people are using instagram as their primary method of communicating with people or maybe their secondary or tertiary method of communicating with people which is still a big deal because you have eight hundred ways to sensibly a note right so like I you know I'm still at that phase in my life is in Middle Age wjr where when I open instagram. I'm sort of surprised to see that I have a message. That's come in and I'm like Ooh who got in touch with me. You know it's a novelty to me but I'm sure or to a lot of people. It's just everyday life because they're they're just on it all the time so for me. If I just WANNA see messages it makes sense to have something like threads because if I open instagram lost in the feed or in stories more likely I spent so much time. Stories actually just set a timer on my phone that only allows let me use instagram for one hour a day. I set the timer on Sunday today is Thursday. I've hit that timer every single day I've run without. I've spent exactly one hour on instagram everyday this week and it doesn't feel like I'm spending enough time in it. What time of the day do you usually watch your stories first thing in the morning and at the very end of the day when I'm laying down in bed yeah on weekends I'll make myself breakfast and then I'll open stories and I'll just like brought my phone up and I'll eat as I watched stories on my phone phone. Do you ever use TV. only for music stuff like you for band posted a new video or something is anybody using IGT to be known this. I don't know I posted I post videos to you. Do Okay how interesting yeah. This is all about facebook trying to get into every corner of your life possible possible and it's also probably a part of its grand plan to unify its messaging systems at some point at least on the back end so orioles point like you don't have to have instagram you just have to have an instagram log in credentials of some sort and same with instagram right. I don't think you have to have instagram log and you can use facebook if that's correct. Maybe I don't know. It just seems like they're. They're you Ito. They're trying to be everywhere at some point. You're just GONNA use one sort of federated I D. That's like your facebook. Federated idea that works across all of these things and messages are going to be flying everywhere but but facebook powering all of them not if Elizabeth Warren has right curious to see if close friends hops around from apt tap what's up eventually Would we be your close friends. Yeah of course you're the only people in that group okay well. I have not quite self driving car news. Tell you about Tesla pushed out a software update last week that gives the owner of has has led the ability to summon their car automatically so how it works is if you're in a parking lot or the other end of your crazy long driveway instead of walking your car you just. Plod your phone opened the Tesla App and then tap a button that says come to me the car then hopefully drives itself to where you're standing so as you can imagine. Tesla published a a number of caveats along with this update as in you should only use the new feature it's called smart summoned on private property so a private parking lot or your own driveway and and since it in Beta you should keep your eyes on your car at all times just in case things go awry not surprisingly. Tesla owners eager to show off their newly driverless cars are recruiting videos of smart summit in action.
"panos panay" Discussed on The Vergecast
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You Got Windows which is for the NEO which changes yeah the dual screen version two different form factors exclusively for dual screen no like right now. We're talking about yeah think of it this way right now. It's four dual screen. I think it's hard to use the word exclusive for anything right now so early we're learning. I think that's part of the growth mindset of the company. We have that filter. I definitely have in Pete. Does we were GONNA listen. We've got some time some time. We're listening to developers pretty close. We've been looking at the product for three years. Both of them and it's been a while so casino the timeframe. I gotta get these timeframes. Somebody's gotTA help. People got to figure out the timeframe because I can't just randomly answer this one but I think it's about three years. is a blur but yeah you'll learn through this process and that's that's a big part of product making and I'm not saying learn like by making mistakes. We're going to take our time and get it right. I would say the form factor you're looking at is is interesting as you just. Hold it just a few it. Just feel the hinge. I think the form factor is a third generation form factor. This is not like hey it's first. Janet might work as not the case we literally on the third gender that hinge their genetic screen. Our partners are incredible. How we integrate the gorilla glass. That's all been failed through now. How we get that interaction Tim Model Perfect and get connected with developers. That's why we came out today. That was important. How soon can developers get their hands on. These things you know it depends we're working on the stability of the product the builds and so forth and the way hardware works We got a probably a couple more months. They'RE GONNA have their hands on it and be running full speed yeah matter of shoring up the API's and making sure radio what's pricing on. I think it'd be like tell him. Not GonNa tell you. Am I going to be happy or unhappy. Super describe my feelings might teach you you will be elated. I like yeah. I think you'll be pretty pumped about it. I am and so I think you know when you say you're on the third generation of hardware you kind of pushing the boundaries already on the silicon. You're pushing your boundary on how the the thing lays out how the antennas are coming together. When I say happy I think the value of the product you get for how much you're paying their and that's what matters customers so last question Russian interest a just a big thing about sort of form factor sizes operating systems. You have one big competitor apple. It's pretty phones. Yeah pretty tablets laptops. Yeah I'd say great at all. Those things goes pretty good phones. Yep Pretty Okay laptops. Okay horrible tablets okay. You guys are really laptops really good at surface devices. The often look like tablets to me yeah. It's historically not great fun. I think when you build a product you just don't think that way but you. It's you identify identified the way you want yeah. There's a gap that you're bridging services for sure but I don't think services ever you know. Does this just fill a hole for both of us. What I'm saying is do they get better tablet experiences and do you you got Vincent and I went into mobile yeah. No I don't think so. I don't think it's that complex. Actually I mean it's good theoretical point. I I but I'm not sure it I would. I've thought about it that way. Because ah I could just see you know you you put this out next year as well after all start actually thinking about larger screens and android devices and then you build a larger one right slightly the one that runs right up against the neo. I don't see that like I can see my roadmap but I know I hope so I can see it three years out and I'm not like some ah I've had visions of visions and that's not what I mean by see quite literally physically see the road about like this is not a we have every iteration Eurasian of these products out there I don't. I think what you're saying is not where I'm seeing things at. The end of the day windows is doing its job well. It's incredible ooh literally for anything bigger than this device. Now anything bigger in between NEO and do I think is stuck so when I say bigger I I don't see anything smaller than to nine inches and I don't the anything bigger than this when we when we pick these we pick this product. We we literally looked. I can't tell you for years at screen sizes. What's the right thing to I do but then we wanted to just be like a phone. Maybe it should be like you know identify different products. It's got to be like this when people and eventually we got to know what people are going to do and what's the right size. Listen what's the biggest we can make it but still make it a small as it can be and I know that sounds like common orchestra more oxymoron but that was the push we found the design point of where I think. The largest product can be in the mobile space. That's what I believe and so I I say that I could be wrong but I also say it in that I look at my roadmap roadmap and we're not looking at anything bigger than this. I never share my roadmap. You know that you keep trying yeah. We've tried and your reporting spying whatever it is identify. Some Shit sometimes drives me nuts but I was really frustrated with the League two days ago. You guys have no idea Taymor. Leak came through and what happened would have basically the laptop lead the surface pro league service pro actually like those three products addicks leaked and is proud of the team proud way. Everyone handled it on probably reacted settled. You've I've seen leaks to but I got one more. Yeah Yeah you know I I was talking to us if our basically our CMO of surface and he was like don't do don't do it okay but we had a good time thinking about that so the actual last question. I'm getting the wrap up signal over here. What's the thing you want people to think about you. We've got a year of people think about this product. Actual question is at that point. We had a last question Russian now. You have an actual journalism pretty. It's it's how you do it all right ear. What's the thing you want people to focus on this year because you're going to. They're going to be competitive yeah. You'RE GONNA hit the second generation of some of your competitors when you can. How do you want people to think about this device for the next year your time. I do yeah okay because I really want people to think about the holiday lineup is the surface. PC's basically that we ship pretty proud of those but and we want people to buy them that is true then. Do you know I think like anything. Look at the product that you think is interesting most interesting to you and where you think you can be more creative. That's what I would push. I think this product's going to be there next year. If you're not in a hurry you know hang out and see what happens and what's happening but I I look at it and go to hang out. It's GONNA be alright. Take photos or do whatever it is you do on your phone today for a little longer and then we'll see if we can convince you that you can be more creative on this product. This is a great in the context of like the last round of views wherever it was like. Maybe keep your phone for like twenty years. I haven't read phone reviews. I don't really look at other your phone. I know that I take photos with my phone like I take a lot of pictures but I want to extend that like I told the story today was real story where you know how many Times Start Mail on my phone and I moved to my my surface like it's it's. It's almost an important like I'm I'm not confused like simple males or short males or something I need to get out or reply okay all right sure but I use my phone as much as anybody but when it gets to something I gotTa be thinking through and editing and so forth I think I think the worlds maybe ready especially like we're in this era of mobile creativity so many people creating on the fly. It's pretty inspiring millennials. If you will Gen Z. My kids watching my kids blows my mind but even them they have to move to their surface. one of them has a pc you know but they do. They move and they have to work there and I just think why don't we when we get to that next spot. This product does that. I'm very interested to see a form factor changed calm because I think waiting. We're waiting for a little bit. You know and I think we've been saying for a long time. When the foreign factors ready to change we'll be there and it's probably think this is the time pass. Thank you so much fun so it was good talking. Sorry journalism at you journalism. I wasn't judging. I wasn't judging averge. I love you. You're right up the middle and journalism do it right. I'm really proud that I love that. I appreciate it and get a great group here all right. Thanks a lot panos panay chief product officer at Microsoft. It's going to be a wild go ahead as we learn more about the surface now and do the folding devices for Microsoft special episode. Thanks for hanging with us. We got a regular chat. Show tomorrow and there's plenty more to talk about so check that..
"panos panay" Discussed on The Vergecast
"Exist. That's what one does you can push to four K. displays at sixty hertz at the same time off of a mobile not possible that you can on it s q one and so the idea that all the work that surface connect works like you say that we can push what people come to expect from surface surface. That's what that part is when you put the mobile processing in here that's what you need like you know. Just that's what it is so you said I think very directly. It's not a phone own. He said to our friend. Lauren good at wired Saana phone you yeah okay. It seems like a I. I think I said it yeah. It will come. I'm not making phone. It's not it's not that's not. That's not what anybody not a phone. Okay I feel like phone is such a limiting word you know and then you say we'll smartphone. I don't even know what that means and fablet. I'm not sure what that is but everything hasn't identifying factor to it even when we started surface so it's a tablet on my tablet just not a tablet surface. I don't know what to say and you want to categorize it and put it there. I think if you're going to create a new category you're GonNa try and change things. Push push things forward the minute. You put you put it in a box. I think your loss so I've been pretty resistant to that just to not end up. They're not it doesn't act like a great phone. I mean once products market. It's not coming out for a year holiday holiday twenty two thousand eight yeah. You've got a year if you're gonNA use the right now but for for everyone listening proactive is coming out right now so that's there's a Delta there just to make sure right and then which is the larger. They're both holiday. Twenty twenty dual screen is holiday twenty. Yeah I think this category kind of lights up twenty twenty now. It's waste it well. It's funny I the last time I talked to you. I remember remember we had a very spirited discussion with the Galaxy poll than you thought. That was a fairly silly design decision. Use a plastic screen. I don't remember seeing that. I don't think I said that I I may have but I can't remember yeah. I do plausible deniability so it turned out to have been a fairly silly design decision at that time they're doing but that's like a first generation foldable in a different way. You're doing two screens with a hinge. Yeah you think a year from now. It's actually in the start taking off. I absolutely think so. I think we've seen what you know. Dual screen use brinks awesome and you know we test thousands and thousands of scenario thousands of people we measure so many different things we do you know we measure we measure the brain activity vity we measure how people feel we we ask thousands of questions and incredible user research team human factors team both from an inclusive design standpoint just thinking about how hello everyone would use this device no matter who you are and all the way through and yeah. I'm a hundred percent sure at this point like I'm both saving but I really do believe in this category can go. I hope I'm pretty sure people see it pretty quick so just like history of Technology Wise Right Mike Dominant operating system vendor dominant platform vendor. There is a form factor shaft to mobile. You Ain't holiday. Twenty twenty is a form factor your shift to dual screen. That's Microsoft fast now. I don't think it happens fast. I think yeah I think it starts. I think you start to understand how much how much more productive and creative you can be on both windows and android. I think that consistency of whichever operating system you're on it still can be productive with two screens. I think people are going to buy this as a replacement for their phones substitute. I think some people like other people will just want it because it's cool yeah and then you you you know there's something about it that that is that's attractive for sure and I do. I think people were replaced our phone. I think people will buy it as a second device and I think it works pretty. Well both ways to talk a bit about android. What's it like working with Google. What's that relationship like. Is this a play store device. Absolutely yeah play store. You know Google search also being searched. It's pretty cool. There's some great concepts between the companies but will end well because those are the apps you want. It's that simple I don't know how to answer it differently currently for you yeah like you because there's hundreds of thousands of APPS and you want them and talk about it and it's about mini our customers where they are where where they're gonna be and I don't think the you know the mobile application platforms going anywhere anytime soon and it's pretty simply. I'm not trying to be smart about it either like literally Thomas. It's you need the APPS now. How do we get developers to you know look at the API's that are going to be across the platforms and how you can think about a three hundred sixty degree hinge and what a posture does is how we can white up ex cloud on the product device on one side control on the other game on one side control on the way to screens interrupt with each other when you open to apps like just something as simple as you can kind of see the power of it pretty quick I'm. I don't know if I'm connected. He's taunting us by showing us the device right so you can just see it right you see your in mail and what if he needed to copy something over and drag it over to your Alaska like these sort of things that are complex tasks where you have to context which all the time in this product come to life quick. There's a lot going on in the sense that if if are just open open calendar for you so there's calendar just spend it between the two screens see there and then you'll see like you watch the calendar snap on the same which we love it. I mean I celebrate the same. It's huge because it really does put apps in layers for you or structures it these structured thoughts happen and watch the brain light up and things are easier. There's pretty cool. The things that can happen and you're you're now in kind of this place where when you're in when you're in a product like this and use it becomes a little bit limitless in what you do if you're a developer and that's what we're hoping for so the reason we came out with the products today which was not won't say so. It was not a fun decision. I'm mm-hmm. We haven't done that. I don't know how to so we're learning. You know humbly. I'll tell you we're learning. I don't know if we did the right thing or wrong thing but we do want inspire developers how much she thinks that prodigal the change to now and holidays. It'll the harbor won't change it. Also we've been designing this hardware for how long Pete Three years my partner in Crime Pete Pete KS he's here. He's amazing. We've been about three and a half time now. I don't WanNa be on the record but some It's been a long time. I think you know that you've unpacked it on me couple of times with your unbelievable spice skills or whatever it's hard. It's it's we're told her she's. I missed that cast it okay well. Let's see here. It almost got me there so historically. There's been a lot of companies knees that have tried to take android. Google play android build software experiences on top of that yeah. I would say historically. Those companies have not been good at software is Microsoft. Yeah as good at design is Microsoft. What in Google has pulled them. Back is Google wedding. You build your own android experience leading conversation at all. I think this is a partner in conversation. I think the conversations we've been having the work. We've done together pretty cool like you can see it. If I go coliseum minus one screen slide over here. Check it out your Google search. You got the entire. Microsoft feed here on the left. Screen is much on the right skiing. Well you still have the Microsoft APPs underneath but you're the idea is here's the way we talked about it when we when we sat with Google her ocean I sat down. We had this conversation and it was look. Here's here's the vision we want to make the best of Microsoft on the android that people know so so the idea. Wasn't I mean if you look here. You'll see the APP launcher. Come up just like you would have on android phone and if you have pulled from the top you'll see the settings like we're not trying to be but that settings looks a little bit different than a standard design work. Of course there's design work but it's what you know. I'm not a surface extension mugs of Lucia so the launcher team. MM is a huge part of this program. They're amazing and yeah you think of it that way a little bit I mean it's not we're not putting a launch on top. That's not but the laundry team. He's doing a ton of work bringing together. This connected experience through the cloud. It's very cool very cool. I won't share too much because I can't give too much away but yeah so we'll the gives and takes between the marks within Google. Venus Google search integrated. We're probably not going to talk about that today Tom but I think there is a good not to be rude but I think it's just there's a lot lot. There is nothing gives them takes us on what I mean but in the sense of you know our relationship is it's building. It's pretty deep rooted and we're partnering. It's the best this way to think about it. I don't think it's about give and take it's about what's the right product to build for people. That's how I feel. I think that's how my counterparts over goofy and that's what we're going to go do so in terms of thanks for that reason because that's the ethos the you know the windows. The operating system is the whole point anymore. It's obviously absent. Services Microsoft has moved this entire business. They're our you thinking about android. You make a whole line of windows devices. How are you thinking about them as compliments. How are they going to tell you. Yeah you want these android the future for you. No no no no no. No you want to give customers what they want in the form factor that they're using like if it'd be silly to be like let's let's shove. We learned this. We've learned this you know let's put the wrong operating system the right operating system on the wrong product or the other way round pick your words but what's the right operating system for the form factor and in this case in in mobile devices androids the obvious choice but anything above that windows is there any superior for me in my product is on in the product is on. I should say that I'm not trying to sound arrogant. I promise you I I it comes from a humble place but my belief in windows is so strong and what you can accomplish with it now to such as point you know how all the West disappears in the background. I think you know Microsoft has an incredible job of that like you know enabling people to be more productive and achieve and all the great words. It's but we do a pretty good job..
"panos panay" Discussed on The Vergecast
"I got Tom Warren with me. Tom Warren is you now. Ace Microsoft reporter the verge. That's me apparently big day for Microsoft Tom. They not so much stuff they announced surface pre service produce seven service It's of course the neo in the folding folding service devices the neo run Joel Screen near runs windows connects which is basically exclusive Joel scream windows devices and the doer runs android. It's a big deal. You believe it so we did we had to do Panos Panay Chief Product Officer Microsoft sat down me and Tom and we went through all I will tell you. We focused mostly in the duo. Yeah you'll hear the beginning of this interview. It's pretty funny. I asked him say one sentence about every product in he was perfect perfect. It was perfect. He had one sentence ready. Pure marketing speak each product. I've never seen anything like it was resin then. We talked about to do what we talked about. Why Microsoft is is using android. We talked about relationship between Microsoft and Google there. We talked about dual screen form factors coming out and how to shift things. Panos is one of the most interesting in one of the most honest senior product people that we encounter. Yep and he made fun of time a little bit. Yes one all right. Check it out Spanish fan chest Panos panay EH product officer Microsoft's welcome. Thanks man. It's great to be here. Thank you for coming on your big day. Today with a Funday team had a big day yeah so you I'm GonNa uh I really WanNa talk about service. Do Okay you answer a whole bunch of other stuff yeah so here's here's my early plan because we got to mention it all. I'M GONNA say the names of some products units and you're going to me one sentence about them. Surface pro seven super powerful product. Everybody loves surface laptop thirteen. It's the most beautiful things hit your eye on relative to a laptop surface laptop fifteen it competes with the thirteen for beauty but it's a super beast and performance. This is great. You like you like prepared for this. It's amazing I live it was it was really not expecting you to be Chris to be clear. I don't prepare for anything I have to show up and tell you what I'm not sure what else I suppose that service buds killer audio incredible audio and then translation this. It's sick when you're in powerpoint translating on those things I is a blast. It is amazing that you announced truly wireless headphones and like the killer use case the powerpoint. I'll kick yeah man. That's Microsoft thing. I've ever heard it was so oh good though I can say whatever you Microsoft thing. Everybody has headphones. Everybody has ear buds. Come on okay. Yeah we'll get into it. Asked asked me whatever you want about the ear buds. They're awesome. They really are awesome. No it's the pro x in the neo and the duo that okay so this is really interesting thing yeah. That's what I wanted to make sure you mention the core of our product line. That's what that's what people use today. Yeah we talk about where people are today and meeting them in their let me talk about how is team how we how we get people to where they're going and then we land making sure we have products for when they get there and I think you're talking about neo undo or the where products are going to be I think pro x is the one that moves people. You know tech forward a little bit and the other products of the things you need right. Now I mean they seem in obviously obviously the buzzer new but the other ones seem like these are very careful refinements of things that people they are and there's a lot in there like the laptop is now repairable but it's the same beautiful product product. You know no no screws trapdoors anything like that. That's a big deal for commercial customers or even want to replace your keyboard or whatever we can do a pretty easy and so I think you know when we talk about making these objects objects of desire. If you will and press something precious you're GonNa you know by and take care of but in general we've been pretty diligent diligent about not letting anybody cracking open or repair them. Not We try to do that. It was just how the design came together and now we've been very diligent in our history and learning and just getting a little bit more mature as an organization at team how we build products that are a little more accessible to get into a lot more inclusive and so you start to see see that in the laptop so they're refinements yeah but they're also holy re-engineered so we talk about this every time. Someone asks one question about the pro seven. I bet you can guess what it is. It's now it has. USCC you did yeah. I don't even know why we WANNA talk about love talking about because of the surface connector disconnect you get everything out everything you need out of the product through surface connect especially are the powerhouse customer like the power user and we see that and so you know there's just trade offs in in anything when you're designing something and what you're doing with performance battery how you think about thickness so just they're all settled trade-offs the end of the day. I thought if I didn't do it I'd come to this verge cast and you do nothing but complain and so then then we did it. Facts matter still complaining this role in the market. You do a credible job you so you guys are really good all right. Let's talk about the PROVEX. Okay it's arm. You're making your service gunship. Yup You do in partnership with Qualcomm the first question I got when I said what do people on twitter is about APP support. How should people expect to work with windows arm not yeah. It's a great question so you know now. The window seems under phenomenal job specifically because of this product driving forward we talk a lot about how we're gonNA create create silicon or creative product where we can pull the whole ecosystem and through and making sure we're making the right investments across the board is Microsoft and in this one the windows team holy. It's incredible the work. They're doing to basically use emulating technology to run. All apps everything you pretty much. Get everything I mean. There's going to be a few things that you don't get. I think if you're a user that wants to go into that sort of the product or the APP. You can't get or the softer you can't get. You don't want pro x anyway. That's not your product so for the user. That's can use that product. You get everything I mean. Chrome chrome runs on it crumbs one of the biggest things where when you put the product out there first feedback if it's not it doesn't cromer's immediate reaction. ITUNES is another one get chrome. I can't say I I understand that. You've said two times. I'm surprising actually true. I'm just looking at the data and those are good. Those are both good products in many ways but great product really and so we want to make sure that our customers one of the the product though says hey where customers at the expense android where they at and how do we support him. Let's make sure we're doing what we can. Who Do you think the customer through the process access you know we have a bunch of fancy words to talk about that but ultimately when we designed it was for tech forward mobile professional what it is and so you know if you're leaning into tech and you want want something a little bit cutting edge. This is a great product. It's crazy cool and if you want something if your mobile mobile's of funny term so let me see if I can qualify for you if if you work on a train a bus a plane if you are in a you read your ridesharing car you like working at the Parker at starbucks you know Oh. That's a mobile user to me they. They used their. They used their products. Everywhere is perfect. It's perfect. It's it's perfect for that so with obviously with the qualcomm processor you built on you. Get always on you get built in connectivity. You get a bunch of stuff that the platform can do yeah is that what drove you to do arm here or was it other stuff with eighty six. No it was yeah. There's a lot of stuff so it's not one variable like how do you take this one variable and check off that a box and say now. We've got it John at works. No it's not that although it's a factor and there's a lot of variables I think one of the things is how do you push the form factor forward. So how are we manage. You know the teepee or How would I say just the power perf heat profile of device that then dictates how thin you can push it and Dan how much battery you have to put in battery is basically a function of size and so the bigger it is more battery life. You have the bigger it is the heavier devices the bigger it is the thicker it is and so how can we optimize is the entire product line and then give you the best screen possible because there's where the trade offs starts to fall in play. You're the bigger screen is the more pixels pushed. The brighter. Screen is the more damage to your battery. We live in theory and more battery life. You need to take your battery has to be now. You're in the Strait of weight and thickness and I think in the two in one category and what we're doing is pushing. That category Ford means this making products products thinner lighter faster with more battery life. It's not like a complex equation. It is hard to solve for but it's not hard understand that that's what that's what people need or want want and this this chip does all that the think you'll get to a similar design and that sort of trade off on the for sure for sure. I mean until doing some incredible incredible work incredible work and you know what I think about all these products a little bit differently but yeah what Intel does They're incredible partners to us. They've been phenomenal on on partnering and Designing Chipsets Together. yeah for sure easy to understand that. I think it's just their diversity's a great thing I think in the silicon world for sure in in general like let customers have a choice. That's all right at the end of the day though I really want people to buy surface so it's the right product. Let's build it and what's the right chip to build it from and I think think s q one is a phenomenal step forward for a lot of reasons and why build your own because we wanted designed from the inside out from the beginning and so when we had the steps like here's the products can be here's what we want to deliver. Here's what we think we're going to go after you had a design couple of design points who wanted to hit and so said with the leaders over qualcomm great conversations and got to the point point of saying let's do it. What was the biggest thing that you asked her that they would. They then have on the shelf yeah. It's it's a combination of so many things but two point three millimetres of thickness with all that performances it was virtually impossible before we started this program so this leads me to the duo which there's you're sitting jump. It's got incredible job because so I feel like you just literally made up a segue no but hey I really I just wanted to say I want to get the news in front of me. It's taunting me. It's not my fault. It's eight fifty five. Why does it have ask you that. That's my segue because you don't need to push that much wattage through the product so now the design point for s q one. It's not a mobile processor. Yeah I gotTa let me clarify that for you. More processors GONNA push two to three watts. Maybe two and a half something like that. If you're going to get to the S Q one. We're pushing it seven seven and a half you're. They were pushing power through that thing. It's now a PC architecture part so the mobile architecture hasn't really moved to the PC. There's been a mobile architecture. PC's the PA architecture based products coming from mobile that doesn't.
"panos panay" Discussed on Windows Weekly
"Yeah. I wonder also I, I mean I can't ask him because he won't answer this. But Penn would Panos Panay wanna do this. Oh, he's shown a great ambivalence to things that were not coming from within his team. Windows. The guys will in on windows. Pumped about windows. Yeah. I would say he's Panos has always pumped when it comes to windows. But people like PANA's okay, don't I don't take this the wrong way. Can get pumped about other things too. That's kind of if he's toll too. I bet he could find characteristic is pumped not about two two years from now. When he's working at Facebook, he'll be pumped about privacy. Any? You know what I'm saying? I mean his job is to be an enthusiast about whatever he's doing this. He now, so Panos is in charge of hardware. Right. Like all so if if there were to be a device like this, it would have to be approved by him or come through 'em. You would assume. He worked for right does does. He not work for Joe. L Fiori in the windows, experienced group. Yeah. But also just jaw at the highest level rate. It's that part of the company, right? So they know that we just talked to Jeff cheaper last week or two weeks ago, you know, that part of the company is talking with the software. The windows part of the company is talking to the hardware. Guys in surface are talking to the officers sixty five guys in there kind of co designing you is at work across all those products. I mean, do we really want to do sleep? Like just the notion of Android app pop on. It's likely the little head up in like a it's like a game duck hunt. You know, it's like, what the heck is look at thing in the middle of the screen. You know. No Android app. Here. It's, it's intriguing to talk about. I don't see it. I don't see Microsoft doing another windows phone, or even if it's the printing on Android. And all I'm saying is there are people in dot com..
"panos panay" Discussed on Windows Weekly
"I won't say what I won't tell you a Panos Panay said when I was sitting in the audience. He was like, why are you running that? And bleep bleep bleep. Yeah. Well, it would have worked better if they hadn't put y'all in couches without desks. You needed to laugh. Yeah. At the surface event, we were at New York. We were all sitting on these couches and so there were no deaths, so it's separated the laughable people from the non laughable pretty quickly. So he was going to take yours and talk about the computer, and then he start was HP. And then he's like, no. And they insert my laptop and I was literally in the middle of writing a story. And I'm like, I'm writing something. Yeah, you got it back right. Yeah, I'm a little dubious about what he did to it. Never let your laptop out of your control. It's acting a little weird, but did you get the Matt black version. I will be getting it yet. People seem to like that a lot. I think think it it looks looks good. good. And I'm sad. Yeah, I was gonna say they didn't introduce the pink in in in the US. So there there's two interesting differences with that computer one is it can come in blush, right? So it's like a pink pink. You know, I got their version of rose, go not rose gold. It also has a less powerful p. PM chip in it which allows the Chinese government to. Yeah. So there's a back door in it. Well, it's more of a front door. Yeah, yeah. Oh, that's disappointing. Yeah, so that's why they made it pink. So he would forget about that part of it. Wow. Well, you know the Schuylkill pixel three that just came out has a not pink color, which is apps prank. What is it? Okay. It's quite beautiful. I could not. I could not bring myself to order it. I had really. Yeah, actually, I ordered one of those Leo. I'm sure in your your is than I am. Yeah. Because I, I couldn't bring myself to to do that. But I, the black is very manly, especially because it is the notch. Yes, it hides wonder if you get a pink notch, will you let us know. The pink. One I got was a small one, so there's no. Oh, okay. You got the notch Lewis, the button orange on it. It's a different color pink, coral, the one of the black and white ones. Shimmer I love it. That's the the Creole. When you're having a stroke. What is Microsoft call? It's pink surface. Blood blush, like Roseanne. Yes. That would have been a better name Rosa. Yeah. Well, but remember Chinese market, they maybe blush. You know, has frozen condensation frozen blush. I had the interesting opportunity to play with the magic leap on Friday of last week. Yeah. And. It's an interesting. It's it's not. I don't think all of the game changer. Yeah, it's hard to say. I mean, I now I haven't played with the hollow lens so I don't know how it compares the jalen's. I think really the big difference is the applications that are intended for you, which is. More gamey. If you will. Lenses going all kind of industrial now. Vertical. In fact, speaking of vertical. A new hololens was spotted in outer space. Yes. So no, it wasn't also wasn't out of space. So. So. How did this come? How did this come up. There was a photo that was published on the NASA website. It was a video of an astronaut wearing a ends. It does not look like all. Yeah. So everyone assumed it was like the b. two Holland's and obviously they had seen it to NASA. But they didn't. This was an old photo of an old hull ends pre released version because NASA was one of the first organizations they had talked to and all that excitement was for nothing. So all of the idiot bloggers, including myself, wrote something about it. Actually, I didn't write it was like it's bad. He wrote that one, but we publish a story about it and then had to come back later and be like, just kidding. Everyone got pretty excited over nothing. But we know we think the next hollow lens is next year as far as far as we've heard running the AI processor and the new Azer connect for as your sensor. So we none of us have seen this still..
"panos panay" Discussed on MacBreak Weekly
"Com. Slash MAC break, just checking Paul threats Twitter, because as you know, Microsoft is having an event right now so far enough. Nothing to report. Wait a minute. Three new tweets of just come in. No, he was pro. That sucks. Okay. That's it. However windows ten version. Ten eighty s. eighteen o nine is coming out today oboe oh ably so we'll have to find out more. It has a lightning port. I'd very confused. Oh, it has that could surface connect. Yeah, because he. Oh, does he oval? Panos Panay took away throughout surface and it's getting weird now. Oh, it's the surface. The rose. Oh, all right. Let's get our picks of the week, and I'll keep keep you posted on this starting with Rene Ritchie. So my pick if you're familiar with Linnea which is a great ipad art application. I mean, you can take notes with it. You can do art with it. You can do brain boggling with almost anything that you can use an apple pencil for on the ipad pro. You can use linear. It's by the icon factory who been making phenomenal time immemorial at finally gave out of the Twitter business. I guess I think quitters getting them out at Twitter, so we the, they've got they've with the advent of the iphone ten s and especially, I guess the iphone ten s max. They've made a version for the iphone. It's called Linea, go, sorta like titans go go. And it's, it's just great. Of course. The first thing I did was draw Batman because that's the first thing that I do with any test. That's my test. I wish I really wish there was apple pencil support for the iphone ten s max of course that's not. The icon factories fault. That's Apple's fault, but what you can do even with your finger or regular stylist is still miraculous has got they've taken the same sort of really good minimal, but discoverable tools, and they've made them all available to you and I've always loved. It's one of the things I like about the galaxy note. I've always loved the idea of a small like digital field notes are drawing book in in my pocket and Linnea really delivers with that. It's just it's real good for artists is really good for notes. They're all a bunch of artists. So when you look at what get or what, you know, some of the other people are doing or. I'm gonna blank on his name. Rob who does all the Star Trek storyboards. He's been putting up some of his pictures. He's been doing on it and he is just so good. So I, if you have any artistic tendencies and you wanna take advantage of that gorgeous Jain Norma's almost tiny tablets, Gail iphone tennis max, green Linnea. Go is an amazing apt to do it with two ninety nine in American dollars in the apps such a strong recommendation to have a good art app.
"panos panay" Discussed on As It Happens from CBC Radio
"I followed the lure i fled that like a bird till the startled hollows awoken to heard a spinning whisper a civil and twain as the stroke of the steel and the tense ice rang and the wandering wind was left behind as faster faster i followed my mind till the blood sanghyon my eager brain and the joy of my flight was almost pain then i stayed the rush of my eager speed and silently went as a drifting seed slowly furtively till my eyes group big with the all of a dims for my eyes and the hair of my neck began to creep adhering the wilderness talk in sleep shapes in the fergana m drifted near in the deep of my heart i heard my fear and i turned and fled like a soul pursued from the white inviolate solitude michael host jeff douglas reading the skater written by the late canadian poet charles gd roberts it was first published in nineteen oon phil perry panos panay those termed peres pair of the house paint panos panay the plan the down bowler bear swimmers are a hearty laut how else could they endured jumping into freezing waters every january 1st however an extreme cold snap forced several clubs across the country to cancelled their charity dips today but the cold did not keep them out of the water in herring cove nova scotia neither did the frozen c robert maclellan is an organizer of their annual swim we reached him in herring cove mr mcclellin how is the water today well the official figure was three degrees but like it was so we'll bit cooler than that i would say how cool i mean when you jumped in what was the temperature three degrees but it felt like there's a bunch so little intakes would little of sharp knives digging their you you know is that normal and you've done this before you you jump in the water i would expect it would hurt arm like you you hit it with your feet that's iffy jump in and we encourage every.
"panos panay" Discussed on Windows Weekly
"Got an email from microsoft pr would you like to hear about the news to our we you cannot will you respect the idea of of asia so they sent me the press release or the blog post that was going to go up live as panos panay was taking the stage and it was going to go live it's six am our time and i read it i was like a hawk are you kidding me i'm like i'm going to bed a mudcovered so i got up at six to write this hour i opened my laptop i went to the livestream that i watched panos panay what the time was talking about surface ob speaking on stage at future decoded and i'm like okay eventually he's going to get to the news the if you do not count the promo video which is the same promo video they showed in may or whenever they launch this product for the first time you talked about surface pro for about a minute twenty eight seconds it was the shorter this well done and then he goes now i'd like to go to a dollar like to talk on them about surface book too and i was like i i will off to watch i you know that was his nothing tag nabet yep maybe because you know lately when they're introducing new surfaced products like they did with us when they take about surfaced but team they don't talk about the stuff that we care about lake's and pray saying and availability when they announced instock about anything i area act the document ovation you had to go look at the uh the foot bones it's tough to really figure out what's going on then they finally released a video.
"panos panay" Discussed on 103.5 KISS FM
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"panos panay" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM
"Goes how did you feel about it i know you don't even know what i went through about it he's like wait a minute what are you talking about and then i said i almost died before the match he was like what yeah we started joining him my wrists he's like what cuss underneath the what happened to you and you know what we got to talk about it in and then we just have dimming braced each other he said car many new you went through all this stuff just for a championship match i said it wasn't for a championship match it was for my opportunity to come to show off and thank you because because of that match i know in i believe that my career took a high in his spin the most beautiful thing panos panay thank you casandra for sharing or story with us on the snap now cassandras got a lot of exciting things in the works nablus has got a book coming out a documentary in all of this goodness all things for sandro visit us at snap judgment that orgy the sound is us that peace was done by leon morimoto it was produced by allies of smith what's the at returns we take it all off all of it and dacia apell's other half in the performance episode continues stay tuned perry on the next fresh air hillary clinton she has a new campaign memoir we'll talk about candidate and president trump chance of lock her up russian interference colmey in the emails i'll start by sharing with her my take away from the part of our previous interview that went viral the part about how she came to support federal marriage equality my take kuwait probably not what you think it is join us tomorrow it too on 939 fm them nyc wnyc is supported by ifc films presenting rebel in the ride kevin spacey nicklaus halton sarah paulsen star in a true story of the events that shaped j d salinger author of the catcher and the ride directed by danny strong now playing wnyc is a media partner the food networking cooking.
"panos panay" Discussed on Pocket Now Weekly
"Yeah and what am i sorry jul's please go ahead of been talking yet i was just going to ask you about your opinions of how panos panay has taken his reproached to these disparate s product lines because when you consider you go back to windows mobile and you had a a yearslong base and it was you know they'll fairly popular up until the snegur smarter competition aided up and then you have pcs which were in a death spiral everyone kept saying you now maybe this new foreign factor is taking things up a notch again so i mean wearing insertive afflicts situation end uh you know we've seen you know death spiral turn around and a hot market's at least back in you know so six of 709 that was rushing up in building up ends they failed to write a aligning in sunday with how long has he has he been there so here's the problem on in that meeting than i and i i really can't talk about what happened in the microsoft meaning that i went to um all nsa's this it was really funny when i you know they showed me a product and i was like well this is really cool the problem is that this product you know i'm at and i looked at it from a practical practicality standpoint and by the way this has nothing to do with smartphones or tablets or anything it's actually a software product and i saw it and i'm like okay this is really cool but is there is there a possibility for you to do this and you know the response was that is actually a very cool idea but could you tell me how we could market that to the enterprise sector and so i looked at the end up like yuguy still don't get it to you.
"panos panay" Discussed on The Vergecast
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