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Pablo Escobar

Killer Knowledge

06:44 min | 3 months ago

Pablo Escobar

"Throughout the nineteen eighties Pablo Escobar the fame drug lord and founder of the Medellin cartel controlled nearly the entire cocaine making him one of the richest people in the world but also one of the most ruthless. Do you know how many people Escobar is accused of killing welcome to killer knowledge daily? True Crime Trivia? Show I'm Carter Roy. It's time to play along with your friends family or fellow. True crime fans. You'll have the chance to answer five Trivia questions with six seconds to make your guests. Let's play killer knowledge from a young age. Pablo Escobar wanted more than the modest life is family was living in Rio Negro Columbia one way to get that which through crime and Escobar turned all his attention to the drug smuggling trade. In the mid nineteen seventies escobar founded the Medellin cartel and business began to surge by the mid nineteen eighties. He had a fortune around twenty five billion dollars and had a lavish lifestyle with an incredible estate question number one how many acres was Pablo Escobar's estate in Columbia. A one thousand acres be four thousand acres C seven thousand acres. The correct answer is c seven thousand acres. In fact. He even created his own zoo with hundreds of animals on the property. He was so rich he earned a spot on the Forbes billionaires list of richest people in the world seven years running but in an attempt to be viewed positively by the Colombians Escobar. Gave back to his community in productive ways. He helped build hospitals and housing for the poor question number two. What legendary folk hero did some people can? Compare Escobar to a Zorro Be Robin Hood. See Paul Revere. The correct answer is B. Robin Hood. In fact Escobar was so well liked by the people he was elected to Colombia's Chamber of Representatives with the demand of cocaine so high escobar had to figure out different methods of shipping. His product in one instance. He took over an entire island with his co founder Carlos later that was used as a central hub of transportation for their shipments to the US. Question number three in what country did Escobar's cartel own an island? A The Bahamas be Puerto Rico see Causa Mel. The correct answer is a the Bahamas during that time. It's reported that eighty percent of the world's cocaine came from Escobar's cartel of course with that much control of the cocaine market a substantial amount of money came into the organization on a regular basis question number four. How much was it estimated? The cartel was making per week. A two hundred twenty million dollars be three hundred and twenty million dollars C. Four hundred and twenty million dollars. The estimated amount per week was C. Four hundred twenty million dollars but that didn't come without violence over the course of his reign. Pablo Escobar became one of the most violent criminals in history. He is reportedly responsible for thousands of deaths including police officers government officials and every day citizens question number five to end this episode about how many people did. Escobar reportedly kill a four thousand B. Six thousand see ten thousand. Four thousand people is the correct answer so it comes as no surprise that he eventually ended up in prison but after escaping custody Pablo Escobar died in a shootout second nineteen ninety-three despite being a ruthless killer and over twenty five thousand. People turned up to pay their respects at his funeral to everyone listening. Thank you for playing killer knowledge with us. Don't forget to check us out on facebook and Instagram. At par cast and on twitter at podcast network. And you can also listen to more episodes of killer. Knowledge and other par- cast originals on spotify or wherever? You SNIP podcasts. I'm Carter Roy. Join US again to find out if you can call yourself true. Crime expert killer knowledge was created by Max Cutler and his par studios original it is executive produced by Max Cutler produced by Kristin Vado John Cohen. Key to mirror and Jonathan ratliff sound design by Kristen Otto. Vado killer knowledge. Stars Carter Roy.

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Pablo Escobar - Escape from La Catedral

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1:08:44 hr | 11 months ago

Pablo Escobar - Escape from La Catedral

"In July nineteen ninety-two long shadows formed as the sunset type of medigene the Colombian city nestled in the Abar Valley perched against one of the steep hills overlooking the city set the La catedral prison. Although the wood prison was hardly a good description morlock luxurious estate the facility boasts it up private football pitch Jacuzzi and expensive sales more accurately described as hotel suites. All of this was built especially for Columbia's public enemy number one Pablo Escobar the drug smuggler who at the heart of his power was responsible support for eighty percent of cocaine that flooded into the United States. The kingpin continued to run his empire while he served his time protected did from both the government and rival cartels but it's not full credit close up. Columbian military had begun surrounding LAKOTA drawl Escobar's. Tom. There was up he had to get out DOC PABLO. Emilio Escobar Gaviria was was born on December first nineteen forty nine in Rio Negro Columbia. He's father able to zoos was a farmer and his mother her meal Hilda de Las Dolores had been schoolteacher before marrying able after which she resigned to a teaching post as per the cultural norms the couple couple had seven children including Pablo and well her meal. Thus died harm to take care of the family. It quickly became a parish that the farm was not productive enough to Mike leaving able sort work and was hard to manage the estate of local political leader. You're keen Vallejo Arbelaez but the family's financial hardships persisted Pablo's mother requested to be reinstated as a teacher after being reinstated she she was assigned to a school in the southwestern village of t t Rabi and the family moved to be close by the School Pablo's father Abel tried his he's best to fawn manual work either as a farmhand a painter or a gardener but each time was knocked back. The family survived with her meal does his teaching job the only source of income for several years but by nineteen fifty two there was a far more serious problem since the assassination shirow liberal leader and presidential candidate whole hi alexia gotten in Buggy ta in nineteen forty eight political violence had erupted at first it was categorized by massive riots in Bug Atar over ten hours which had left much of the capital's downtown destroyed but the assassination assassination had a ripple effect that extended through the country and plunged Colombia into a ten years civil war none as Levine Lancia the violence uh Pablo and the rest of his family will force to hide several times when bandits brandishing machetes came looking to kill them. The family moved several several times to flee the danger before settling near Rio Negro familiar to work at the Y. A. B. Taylor's school an old building with two classrooms and a bathroom author room adjoining it was one lodge room that the Escobar's leading together Pablo and his elder brother Roberto were enrolled at they among school before having to transfer to a larger school in nearby Rio Negro a two hour walk h way her MILTA- saved enough money hey to by Roberto then Pablo push box to ride the brewers were always competitive challenging. Hov to Rice's which Pablo usually one in nineteen sixty two age twelve Pablo and his family moved again when her mill managed to get herself transferred to a school in medigene they I moved to the Francisco Antonio Zea neighborhood in the home of Pablo Grandmother Pablo's grandmother Ernest Successful Dr Factory and the home was comfortable and spacious over the next two years. The Escobar's moved several more times before finally settling in Envy Gatto moving into the newly built. Lopez neighborhood envy Gado was a roux area on the outskirts of measuring Asian and at the time was on the joint of his city by a long narrow unpaved road. The new home was a single story house with a grey a roof without electricity or running water. The House had three bedrooms a bathroom. A combined living and dining room and kitchen outside was a small yard with brightly colored flowers. The family with their seven children's died in the first two bedrooms while the third like hated at the front of the house was used as shop by Pablo's father older. The shop closed a few months lighter Escobar spent. He's he's teenage years in bustling Meta Jane after the spread of political violence through rural Columbia hundreds of other families had also fled to Visconti's cities relative safety the valley slopes surrounding medigene begin filling with slum communities and the population grew quickly during the nineteen fifties industrialists traders and local government created the plan Pelota the medigene Mazda plan or amen pay the plan outlined expansion of the city into the poor valley to create the first metropolitan area in Columbia in Nineteen nineteen fifty one the city population was three hundred and fifty eight thousand but twenty years later it had exploded to more than one million during during the wild population growth the city expanded and in village a number of small towns in the Bura valley including Envigado the tough blue collar district the street where the Escobar's had moved to the expansion and modernization period cratered employment opportunities for workers but the pace of population growth growth meant that many new residents had to move to areas which lacked access to city services consequently violence and petty crime within the it also rose during the mid nineteen sixties the young ambitious Pablo Escobar took full advantage. Hey in some of his close friends earned money organizing dances. Oh cutting lawns they spend evenings at the lie Guana AAs cream shop coming up with with new ideas and jotting them down notebook. He's first foray into crime was alleged to have been stealing gravestones. They removed the gravestones from local cemeteries before Sam blasting the name an inscription from them then selling the blank starnes to Panamanian smugglers. He's older brother. Roberto denies the story claiming that the gravestones instead came from symmetry earners whose clients had stopped paying facade K. another alleged early criminals game was the forgery and sale of Counterfeit Husky deployments along with the answers to upcoming exams the Pablo and his friends had managed to steal the group's boldness grew with each of their successes and one day they stole the Bishop of midday jeans this Cadillac one of the boys hotwired the car and once running the group took off joy riding through nearby villages before dumping get on the road between Lopez Eldorado as Pablo and his friends reach the mid to late teens. They began to take more and more interest stint young women in Lopez public grew angry when other missing boys from outside the area would turn up to dances in Lopez in their fancy fancy clothes and NAS 'cause trying on with the young girls and as Pablo sort stepping on their territory one not at a party is it Pablo and his friends were at a young man named Julio Gaviria had shown up drunk too much and was making a fuss over a girl refusing to dance with with him without warning Pablo drew a small five chamber revolver and shot the man in the foot. The incident was reported to the police release and Pablo was arrested and sent to jail although he was released soon after when Julio Gaviria dropped the charges it was Pablo's first brush with the law since his early childhood Pablo was driven and ambitious. He told his friends and family the one day he would be the President of Columbia and his goal was to have one million Colombian pesos in the bank. Bobby Tom. He was thirty now. In the late. Nineteen sixties Pablo was determined to earn his fortune as fast as he could. Hey and his friends indulge in various petty streets scams selling contraband cigarettes and fight lottery tickets. They rubbed a delivery truck making off with deodorant and sites which they sold to shops for half price by the nineteen seventies. The group began stealing new cars from dealerships then replacing the Lawson's plights with those is that they had removed from Rick vehicles before selling the stolen cars on in February nineteen seventy-three age twenty three Pablo orphaned. He's first savings account at the Banco Industrial Colombiana making an initial deposit of one thousand one hundred and sixty Colombian pies is in November of the same year he deposited a further one hundred fourteen thousand and sixty two pesos he was living up to his declaration and was fast becoming a wealthy young man in December that year he met and began saying Victoria Eugenia Genia Hanadova Yoho Victoria Neo was on the thirteen eleven years Pablo junior the Hannah's would the wealthiest theus family in Lopez and owned a successful store sailing fabrics electronics school supplies and expensive lotions among other things although Victoria's parents disapproved the relationship between the two deepened over the next six months in mid nineteen seventy-four full Pablo was stopped while driving a stolen Reynaud and was sent to Ladera prison in medigene he was placed in his cell with Alberto tow Prieto a man known as the Godfather who had made a fortune smuggling whiskey cigarettes and Elektronik into Columbia to sell in measuring Prieto also had ties with powerful Colombian figures including politicians and judges after the pay became friends Pablo listened to prieto intently learning valuable information about the godfathers business model after two months in la La Ladera prison Pablo was released after Prieto made arrangements for evidence from the stolen Renault disappeared a few weeks later prieto offered his former CEO might job guarding the caravans and trucks dip brought the contraband goods from the port of Turbo located on the Caribbean coast based. Pablo insisted that he's cousin Gustavo Caveat area be brought on with him and after Prieto agreed Pablo and his is cousin began. Making show of smuggling vehicles arrived safely from turbo. The two apprentices learned fast quickly earning a reputation tation for being shrewd feel as operators on one occasion. The police stopped five trucks loaded with Marlboro Cigarettes Pablo and Gustavo managed to get the trucks back within twenty four hours likely through persuasion and bribery pleased with their work. The A godfather placed them in charge of thirty five vehicles loaded with goods. The pairing shored H in every vehicle made it through the checkpoints and arrived arrive safely in managing this skills Pablo learned and husband while working for the Godfather readied him for a move into his next business venture. Yeah the cocaine business while working for PRIETA PABLO had observed some of the estates in nearby villages will using small facilities not to process a paste that have been brought from Ecuador Peru and Bolivia once processed the pace was transformed into a white powder outta cocaine curious about this venture. Pablo got in touch with an associate of the Godfather attilio Gonzalez who ran and one of the processing facilities known as a kitchen Pablo learned that Gonzalez and the other two owners if the kitchens would sell the cocaine that process to buys who'd flown in from the US now that he understood the Business Pablo and his cousin Dr Almost one thousand miles south us to work you a port city in southern Ecuador he they purchased their first five causes five kilograms of coca paste they hit the package spice above the petrol tank of Pablo's Renna then drove back to medigene when they returned Atilio Gonzalez process the five kilos paste to produce one kilogram two point two pounds of pure cocaine soon soon afterward the pair sold it to a by V six thousand. US dollars about one hundred and forty thousand Colombian pesos Pablo Escobar Kabbah and Gustavo Gaviria resigned from the job. Guarding the smuggling runs entered the world of narcotics. The two wasted no talk setting up they earn kitchen on a nearby farm and finding a supply for the required precursor chemicals used to process the coca paste they made frequent trips south to the LOA in Ecuador on the border with Peru and soon formed a partnership with coca pice distributor named Hor Hake Eliana Eliana who was also just getting started in the NOCCO business as the weeks and months past Pablo and Gustavo began bringing lodger and logic coca paste shipments back to Colombia for processing by Light Nineteen seventy-five Pablo's fledgling cocaine business was growing quickly and so were the prophets when he was twenty six he and several friends visited the bank how Industrial Colombiana and deposited Roseta check not for one million but one hundred million Colombian pesos more than three million. US Dollars Escobar had fulfilled would he's ambition one hundred fold and a full four years early as he's cocaine business grew steadily escobar continued to see Victoria despite her family's disapproval in March nineteen seventy-six Escobar was preparing to leave for a long trip to coordinate Jordan several large shipments coca paste and made a date with Victoria to say goodbye at the ice cream shop Nia hon when Victoria ask her mother's permission. Her mother forbade her from going so instead Victoria snuck out anxious to see Escobar when he I heard the story Escobar was furious. Victoria's mother wouldn't let her see him. Even though he'd be gone several months he told Victoria Toria that this couldn't go on telling her they should run away to the southern. Colombian city of pesto ticket married Victoria agreed and the two went to his cousin gustavus harm to spend the night together before they would travel to pastor the knicks die but after learning Victoria's brother brother Mario was looking for ESCA so he could kill him for corrupting the families Little Girl Escobar Victoria lift immediately flying to Kelly. We're they intended to get a connecting flight to passed as soon as they could within days of reaching pasta the COPPA were married in a low key ceremony era mony and after a week long honeymoon they returned to Lopez Envigado the newlyweds lived happily in a small house in Lopez but they happiness was short lived on June seventh nineteen seventy six one of the men working for Escobar cold toward him that Columbia's he is department of security the DAS had found a shipment of coca paste being brought from Ecuador by truck but the employees assured Escobar Escobar that the agents would accept a bribe in exchange for letting the shipment through however early the next morning as he prepared to pay off the agents. Eh prearrange meeting Escobar was arrested. The meeting had been a setup to nab as many people as possible while at the same time confiscating escaping the eight and a half kilos coca paste around nineteen pounds the next day Escobar and his accomplices were transferred to Bella L. A. Vista prison where they were booked and photographed the moment his immortalized with Escobar's Mugshot in which he grins from ear probably assuming he stint in jail would be brief while visiting her husband in prison. Victoria learned she was pregnant which spurred Escobar to do whatever was necessary to get out of jail to be with her. His lawyer pooh-poohed strings to get his client transferred to gyro meter a prison and although conditions were substantially better escobar hated being a prisoner still during a football match one day he made his I escape running to retrieve the bowl but then taking off but things in Columbia were different back then and the war in contacted Escobar's vase mother her MELDA and advise the if her son returned to prison immediately they would be no repercussions after Pablo had arrived at her house us. Hamilton managed to convince her son to turn himself in Escobar remained imprisoned until November nineteen seventy six when when he was released following his five-month incarceration but he was now a nun criminal with a record and people knew who he was so there was no turning back now and once back on the street he wasted no time within days he in Kostava travelled south up to Ecuador again by land to purchase coca paste immediately after his arrest Escobar had used. He's brief Tom in past a prison productively meeting and befriending traffickers who they now met with again the traffic has helped Escobar and Gustavo fond pet ED providers and safest mugging routes to bring the coca paste into Columbia over the next several months the to shift bigger and bigger loads of coca capacity. They hired a colonel in the Ecuadorian army to help move more product and the colonel range for Ecuadorian libraries to smuggle Okocha pice inside holid- out wooden blocks the libraries would track fifteen to twenty hours through the jungle until they reached the San Miguel Gail River on the Ecuador Colombia Boorda where Escobar and he's men were whiting the pace was then loaded onto small trucks and driven the almost six hundred miles north to the processing kitchen that Escobar had set up in villages outside medigene. The pay is cocaine empire had stoled while the two were imprisoned but was now booming again. Escobar bought several houses in measuring for family members to move into in the Provincia estadio El Poblano neighborhoods as well as the entire laugh fourth floor of an office in the Tora Vega building in L. Pablo but Escobar Gustavo's business plans were only just beginning the two plan to pasta buys from the US and set top they own smuggling routes into the lucrative American Market Escobar in Gustavo purchased a twin engine Porpoise Sinica plane to be the US for a test run they planned to fly one hundred kilos about two hundred and twenty pounds of pure cocaine to OPA Locka a private airport he miami used exclusively bar rich Americans this attempt carried much less risk than than it would today in the nineteen seventies they were no strict drug trafficking laws and US authorities were naive when it came to cocaine and the insatiable demand for for it the shipment arrived safely without incident when they began flying multiple shipments to the US the total cost for them to produce and ship a kilo of cocaine with security fact that he was six thousand dollars when it's arrived arrive in the US they sold it for twenty thousand dollars a Kilo in Florida or up to thirty thousand dollars in New York. They knew that the straight great deal is with selling the product for even more especially since a kilo of pure cocaine was caught multiple times and so turned into several kilos but they didn't care they were sitting on a goldmine. The medigene cartel was born. The business began again to expand even faster instead of libraries carrying coca paste through the jungle. Escobar hard experienced pilots to fly the pies from providers in the Upper Huallaga Valley in Peru up to Columbia secret runways were constructed in Peru's Monzon and Campania regions and through Magdalena Media Antioquia in Colombia. The operations began to attract the attention of author. Ah Drug traffickers one of these traffic kin groups was that to fill CASTAGNA and he's younger Bravo Kalos who showed up to Escobar Gustavo's Estevez's medigene offices one day with a business proposition the cost on your Bravo's had contacts at the coca leaf plantations in Santa Cruz Cruz de la Sierra Bolivia where huge quantities of coca paste were being produced. A deal was quickly agreed upon and it wasn't long long before planeloads of coca paste. Were arriving at an airstrip. You know Bondo a small town about a hundred and sixty miles two hundred and sixty kilometers south south of medigene. This shipments up to five hundred kilos had taught were picked up by truck and take into the kitchens. The business was now booming because the US government still had almost no idea about cocaine. The Colombian cartels fanned out distribution across America. The medigene cartel run by Pablo Escobar took control of southern Florida and some of the neighbouring sites nights while the Cali cartel headed up by the Rodriguez brothers controlled New York. Since there was more money to go round then they could have possibly conceived the two cartels enjoyed a cooperative relationship. Escobar continued to expand the trafficking routes not only was he now flying executive jets that carried up to four hundred kilos of cocaine on board he was sending an increasing amount of product by C. Ships were now leaving the Caribbean port towns of Turbo and to its North Nicoli light in with Kogyo's of fresh bananas when they arrived in Miami. They were given little more than a cursory glance since the bananas wouldn't neatly packed as they should be. No one suspected that they were fast whites. If cocaine up to eight hundred kilos or almost eighteen hundred pounds stashed in the ship's hold under the fruit. There's trafficking passage became known as the banana route flush with cash escobar boy. He's I two aircraft a white red and yellow five hundred helicopter and a twin engine. Seven Saito Error Command applied he expanded the smuggling routes. It's to include Mexico sending shipments in airplanes that took off from sacred Colombian airstrips shipments were also sent by land hidden in tractor trailers beneath bushels of onions. H truck contained between eight hundred and one thousand kilos twenty. Two hundred pounds sounds of cocaine. The contacting Mexico was Amada. Correa flinches Elson Your Dylan's yellows. The Lord of the skies is who would also work with El Chapo Guzman the trafficking route in Mexico became known as the onion route by nineteen eighty the name Pablo Escobar was now being whispered throughout medigene including among wealthy elites every day. Hey dozens of people would white at the offices in L. Pablo hyping to arrange an appointment with Don Pablo to discuss a business proposition mm-hmm others knowing that escobar controlled the most reliable trafficking routes into the US would ask if they could include a few kilos of their own product liked to be smuggled alongside the cartels. Escobar usually maintained an affable character around them willing to help close friends. Although although he's employees knew he could be ruthless when he deemed it necessary one day two hundred million pesos hidden at the office had disappeared did and suspicions quickly fell on the God who had been on duty the previous day a former soldier and friend that Escobar had rescued from a prison years Alia after a search of the fullness soldiers house revealed the stolen money the man was taken to the office and on Escobar's order Tyke Teich into the pool after all of his employees had been cold to join him at the poolside. The soldier was taught up then thrown in after they wash as the men drowned Escobar announced coldly. I'll kill anyone who steals a pie from me. In Nineteen ninety-one Escobar and Gustavo expanded their fleet of aircraft further purchasing three more error commanders a twin otter an alleged along with two more helicopters lighter he purchased seven point seven square miles of land roughly twenty square kilometers in Puerto Tree on for approximately ninety three miles east of medigene after spending almost two point five million. US dollars is to purchase the land ESCA oversaw the building of Hassi end nap police the Naples estate the wild luxurious estate right included a Spanish colonial house a Sculpture Park and zoo containing a menagerie of exotic animals from around the world that included elephants Vince Giraffes Hippos ostriches and exotic birds Hassi Indianapolis also boasted a private airport with a thousand in Yod a strip and two heliports a buring an amusement park a go kart track and a large collection of classic cars and motorbikes despite the opulence of the Napoli's estate Escobar also garnered a reputation for generosity among the Colombian citizens after he had decided zoo contained a sufficient number of exotic animals for around the globe Escobar opened it to the public and entry was free three when people asked him why he didn't charge an entry fee he told them that the zoo belong to the people that as long as he was alive they would be no entrance fee and that he locked poor people could come to see such marvels of Nitra Escobar would also make a point of giving generously XLII to those less fortunate at Christmas he would by thousands of toys drive them to nearby poor villages and hand. Hr All two you were three presence another time he flew four helicopters full of medicine and presence for the indigenous communities living in the jungle in the charcoal Erica region on Columbia's west coast they were numerous football fields basketball and volleyball courts and health clinics that Escobar had fawn finance and constructed and he had planted thousands of trees in the poor areas of Medigene Envigado and communities in the Bura Valley Napalese. Although a popular destination for Colombian families to visit also became Escobar Center of operations the drug trafficker constructed harding places and weapons caches to be used in case of attack the case is contained hundreds of Ar Fifteen Dana and star Raffles pistols and submachine guns along with thousands of rounds of ammunition. An anti aircraft battery was installed nixed the swimming pool deep in the jungle he built safe houses at the end of winding roads full of dead ends along the way to confuse anyone anyone attempting to follow the jungle was so dense that the house had to be fumigated regularly snakes by the end of Nineteen ninety-one Pablo Escobar had solidified his position as the number-one cocaine trafficker in the world but for him this was only the the first step and he wanted more one day in late nineteen ninety one Gustavo reported to Escobar that three planes filled with their cocaine had made it safely to destination in the US excellent so we have economic power Escobar applaud now now. We're going to go after political power. Escobar longed for political power largely because of his fear of the possibility of extradition into the United States on drug trafficking charges as he's notoriety grew so did the risk the US government would come off to him. He figured that if elected to office he couldn't show he would never end up rotting in a US prison. He's family members were upset and anxious about the planned move into politics Pablo. Have you forgotten who you are and what you do. He's mother-in-law asked him during a family meeting. If you get involved in politics they won't be a sewage in the world where you can hide. You're going to put us all in danger. You'll hurt all of our laws think about I bet your son Abacha family but Escobar was exceedingly confident. He was certain that he would be elected to the Colombian Congress. Given how well L. known he was in the neighborhoods of Jane particularly among the pool saw him as a modern day robin hood hit also pie this secret police the lace the to to make the police records that mentioned him disappear. Escobar entered politics as an alternative candidate on the Liberal Renewal Newell Movements List of delegates for the Chamber of Representatives. The Liberal Renewal Movement was backing the presidential campaign of Luis Carlos Galon Escobar respected Gallon and he's populist ideals and began his campaign immediately holding rallies and he's home neighborhood of the Pat's promising that if elected he would work to help those living in poverty. It is alleged that had drunken Hekla began ranting at politicians nations who didn't keep their promises pointing his finger at Escobar. The heckler was forcefully removed by local policemen who drove him to the La Agua Katelyn neighborhood and handed him over to Escobar's men who promptly riddled the heckler with bullets. The campaign was halted abruptly after presidential candidate. Galon ordered the MRL's envy got campaign office to be closed and Escobar and Philip Candidate Jairo Ortega Ramirez to be kicked out of the Campaign Gallon sent a handwritten note to Oh tiga explaining the actions we cannot tolerate links to people whose activities go against a tenant of restoring Columbia's moral fiber and politics the note read. If you do not accept these conditions conditions I cannot allow your candidate lists to have any ties to my presidential campaign outraged being marginalized by Galon Escobar Kabbah met with politician Alberta Santa Female Botero and soon after joined the small movement known as Liberal Alternative on March fourteenth nineteen eighty two after a long exhausting campaign Pablo Escobar was elected as a representative to Congress at the election held in May nineteen eighty two the conservative candidate Bailey sorry I've been Tanka was elected to the Colombian presidency and tanker's inauguration speech in August Escobar and the other drug kingpins collectively breath. This saw have relief when he didn't mention any plans around extradition. Shen Escobar embrace these new political life he traveled to Spain as part of the Chamber of Representatives to witness the nineteen eighty two general election in April nineteen ninety-three the publication Samana wrote an article on Pablo Escobar describing scrubbing his name as one that produces a mix of reactions explosive hope or tape right aberration oh cautious contempt escobar revelled in the notoriety sitting down for interviews and furthering his reputation as an enigmatic politician and friend of the little man a nineteen eighty-three survey revealed that along with Pope John Paul the second and US President Ronald Reagan Pablo Escobar was the most recognized voice figure in the world. He was supremely confident that he could rub elbows with the elite political clause while continuing to run he's vast cocaine trafficking empire but on August Twenty Eighth Nineteen ninety-three the El espectador newspaper published a front page article reporting thing that Pablo Escobar and for associates have been caught with nineteen pounds of coca paste in March nineteen seventy-six Escobar had arranged inch. DAS agents who had investigated him at the time to be assassinated and had paid off the police to make incriminating information disappear but he had forgotten to do the same for the newspaper. I 'cause he's situation. Deteriorated quickly the Tenth Superior Judges Committed Gene Gustavo's laga reopened the investigation into the deaths of the two. DAS agents who arrested Escobar in nineteen seventy six the US embassy cancelled his visa and in October nineteen ninety-three the Chamber of Representatives revived his parliamentary immunity unity with these reputation now shredded Escobar resigned from his political position on January Twentieth Nineteen eighty-four Escobar also Feis another major problem the US Drug Enforcement Agency the DA was stepping up the fight against organized as crime and the flood of cocaine into the US the Reagan administration had also begun an aggressive push against illicit drug use champion in by Nancy Reagan in the just say no campaign the result was strong collaboration between the Colombian government and the DA who raided injured in destroyed coca paste processing centers and reported that the facilities were owned by the medigene cartel the media continued to report condemnations end of nations of Pablo Escobar. The Colombian administration led by the Justice Minister Rodrigo Lara angered by being continually slanted sounded by the Minister Escobar organize for a team of Sakaria assassins to work out the logistics for Lara to be mode. The whole world is going to come down on us but let's do it. Escobar said I'm not gonNA allow that guy to get away with it. On April thirtieth not at nine thousand nine hundred four to Sakaria is on a motorbike road up along saw Laura's what Mercedes then straight to come. We'll meet newsy a forty five caliber. The gunman Ivan Daria Grew Sada was killed by the minister's bodyguards while the Rawda Barn Velasquez was arrested the assassination sent shockwaves through Colombia and almost immediately afterward the tanker government announced a war against organized crime and approval Colombian traffickers to be extradited to the end not dies Escobar was forced to go on the run along with his he's watt who was eight months pregnant and he's now seven year old son they travel between properties through Colombia Panama and Nicaragua while in Nicaragua Escobar survey new McCain trafficking routes into the US meeting with an American pilot named Barry Seal on June twenty-fifth Nineteen eighty-four Escobar oversaw the first shipment of six hundred kilos of cocaine packed in lodge duffle bags loaded it onto the plane to be flown to southern Florida by CEO himself but by mid July Escobar was given a harsh reality check of how bigamous Gamma stike this had been several US newspapers published a series of photos of him standing by the cocaine shipment in Nicaragua Barry Seal had been a d informant and had been covertly snapping pitches as the shipment was being loaded. Escobar returned to medigene gene and immediately went into hiding. He's legal troubles. Were mounting. A Florida judge issued an arrest warrant while the first superior the judge of Bogota brought charges against him relating to the assassination of Justice Minister Rodrigo Lara on January fifth nineteen ninety-five five Escobar was jolted by news of Full Colombian nationals being extra daughter to the US that morning more than anything he feed need extra edition but the drug kingpin was not going to roll over easily in mid nineteen ninety-five he agreed to finance a plot for the M Nineteen Marxist guerrilla group to occupy the Palace of Justice and stage at trial of President Patankar. He paid the guerilla guerilla group one million dollars. US In cash with a bonus offer if I destroyed the extradition falls for drug traffickers that were being stored there on November sixth nineteen ninety five thirty five m nineteen guerrillas stormed the Palace of Justice through the basement and according to a witness shot at everyone they saw with machine guns the group then Sikua building taking three hundred hostages in the process including twenty four the justice and twenty of judges when President Patenga refuse to attend a trial as the grill is demanded the Columbian military discomfort torn the siege was over more than one hundred people were killed including twelve magistrates and more than six thousand doesn't documents were destroyed Escobar. Watch the story unfold on television from his heart. APP Delighted Early Nineteen Eighteen eighty-six brought Escobar a period of relative calm at the Taw it was not nine that he had fought the siege and with the falls on him at the Palace Allison justice destroyed extradition was off the table for him at least for now in February that year he arranged for Sicario to murder American pilot Barry Seal avenging the DIA informants but trial along with zeal Escobar ordered the murder of a magistrate right who had ruled in favor of extraditions. He's message was clear for any judge who attended two extra dot cocaine traffickers. They would beat eight nine mercy. Despite the warning the new conservative president for Helium Baca was not intimidated and using in an old treaty with the United States announced that the administration were able to extradite individuals without judicial approval once again escobar responded violently ordering the assassination of a journalist working for L. S. Tato who had written an editorial praising the president's resolve in supporting extradition years later the lawyer investigating Escobar's role in the journalist's murder was also assassinated in Bogota violence was not the only method Escobar relied upon he also focuses efforts in the courts fighting against the extradition Asian Tracy legitimately on June twenty fifth nineteen ninety-seven he succeeded when the Supreme Court nullified the rule that allowed extradition without judicial process once again any arrest warrants for Pablo Escobar that had been issued for extradition purposes were lifted like the previous periods of relative calm for Escobar. This one also abruptly ended when a former presidential candidate and leader of the left-leaning patriotic triage union was murdered in Tub nineteen eighty-seven the assassination triggered another man hunt for the drug kingpins and Escobar was again forced back into hiding in late nineteen eighty-seven a war erupted between the mid Jane and Cowley cocktails prompted by Cali Cartel Emba having a fling with the girlfriend of amid aging cocktail Alon drug trafficker while he was in prison when the Cali cartel refused Escobar's demont among to hand the men over a bloody conflict between the cartels ensued the severity of the threat to Escobar was highlighted on January the Thirteenth Nineteen eighty-eight when a Cobb bomb was detonated that saw the Monaco apartment building where Escobar's family was sleeping as he's wife and ten year old son slipped on the bed in a guest room. The explosion caused the roof to collapse sending concrete slab down on top of the only way they survived was that a corner of the slap was caught on a small sculpture sitting on the nightstand. The car bomb was a declaration of war the Cali cartel the Kelly managing war Sola to cocktails engage in a series of kidnappings assassinations and bombings over the next four years. Meanwhile Escobar continued to whites war against these enemies at sort of the Cali cartel in January anywhere in nineteen eighty eight he arranged for the kidnapping of Carlos Mora Hoyas Columbia's inspector general who was murdered by the Sakaria shot eleven living times the murder of such a high profile political figure saw the man hunt for Pablo Escobar escalate dramatically early early in the morning of March Fifth Nineteen Ninety eight Escobar's hot at was righted but two thousand Colombian soldiers along with several tanks and helicopter gunships on chips the drug lord managed to escape into the nearby mountains alerted just before the soldiers arrived but peasants acting as lookouts who watched the Colombian army approaching as they've been making their way across the mountain on the white to another hideout a soldier had stopped them the F. to wherever to Escobar had yelled at Soja. Let me do my work man. I've got some prisoners here. Get Out of my way food food by the cover story. The soldier moved Assad and Escobar led the bodyguards in associates he had with him down the mountain then vanished in mid. June nineteen eighty-nine former presidential candidate Luiz Carlos Galan a Nancy had decided to rejoin the Liberal Party with with the intention of running in the mind nineteen ninety presidential election during the same speech he stated that extradition was the iron the effective tool taught drug trafficking as long as I'm alive. You will never be President Escobar reportedly said as he watched the speech on television they did man can't be president. Galon was scheduled to speak at a rally on August Eighteenth Nineteen eighty-nine and Escobar arranged arranged for several men to infiltrate Galon Security Team Escobar had also green lit the mode of Colonel Valderrama Franklin Quintero. Uh the commander of the Antea Kia police on the same day August eighteenth the colonel was shot in his vehicle as it was stopped at a traffic kicked lighting medigene reportedly hit one hundred fifty times as armed men stood in front of the car and pepper it with boots until they magazines were empty. Not every media outlet reported that Luis Carlos Galan had been gunned down at the rally again. Escobar Escobar was delighted with the news. The manhunt escalated. I even further and Escobar moved from hot too hot at never staying mov twelve in a few days in the same place. One of his lawyers begged him to call off the violent campaign but Escobar refused the United States brought Japan to it's knees in the Second World War by bombing it. He said I am going to sign to this country. He made good on the statement giving the go-ahead to dozens of shootings bombings and kidnappings across Columbia on November twenty seventh a terminally ill young man from a poor family board Avianca flight eighteen o three with a suitcase of explosives believing the new presidential candidate seasick Vieria would be on board Escobar had ordered the terminally. Ill Man detonate the suitcase and in exchange. He's family. Would I'd be paid a substantial amount of money. The plane blew up as it flew over so Aha the same town that Gallen had been assassinated in but Cesar Gaviria wasn't on board more than one hundred innocent. People were murdered in nineteen ninety. Gaviria was elected the new president of Colombia still holding substantial power through fear and intimidation Pablo Escobar intended intended to pressure the new president into taking a different approach towards the previous hotline extradition policy and negotiate a potential deal in preparation he arranged for a number of high profile Colombians to be kidnapped Davis several months to be used as leverage the hostages ages included journalists Diana Bay Marina Montoya Sister of the former Secretary General Francisco Santos editor-in-cheif and Chafe at the El Tiempo newspaper Meru Hop Sean Castro the widow of Louis Costra gallon and her sister-in-law beaches villas through his lawyers Escobar began negotiating with the government about possible terms of surrendering to authorities in exchange for leniency the government had previously issued decree twenty forty seven which offered reduced sentences and no extradition for drug traffickers but Escobar and his lawyers had concluded the decree would not apply to him unless he's name was explicitly included would kind that the government into a willing to modify decree twenty forty seven in the interest of bringing peace to Colombia on December Fifteenth Nineteen Ninety. They issued a new decree number thirty thirty but again. Escobar and his lawyers objected to several aspects and sent suggested amendments publicly through the media intending to pressure the government escanaba stated he rejected decree thirty thirty and considered it a declaration of war by early Nineteen ninety-one when the government had still not responded to the proposed amendments. Escobar ordered that hostage Marina Montoya OY UPBEAT MURDERED UNDER PRESSURE. The government attempted to rescue the remaining hostages. The attempt failed and two more hostages postage is were killed Diana to obey and one of the camera crew Richard Serra two weeks later after an informant told him there it was a secret police unit parked truck and preparing to arrest him nearby Escobar arrange for a car bomb to be detonated killing three non-commissioned offices offices six agents and non civilians. He's wife and son begged him to stop. The indiscriminate violence war is war war and some people are going to die. Escobar replied a person's fight is already written where the FA- joy office suffering four months later major events happened in quick succession Escobar Release the two remaining hostages Meru Hop Sean and and Francisco Toss on May twentieth two days later the government issued decree thirteen three that included all of Escobar's his previous demands. The administration had also great that the drug lord would be allowed to serve in prison that he himself would build on June. Nineteenth Escobar turned himself into the authorities as agreed he was confined in the prison he had built especially Lakota Lakota drawl to serve maximum sentence of five years with the promise he would not be extradited to the US Lakota. Draw was nothing like a traditional prison set on a steep mountain saw. I've looking medigene. The facility was more akin to a hotel with long what balconies sprawling above football pitch. Bah Jacuzzi and water full inside will rooms containing pool tables and a ping pong table. Hypol- along with the dining room and kitchen three shafts have been high to prepare meals ordered and delivered to the cells which were really sweet are over an Intercom System Escobar sill boasted two hundred and fifty square foot living room attached to a bedroom. If the same size and a lodge bathroom part of Escobar's agreement he'd might to turn himself in was that he could choose most of the men who would God him and as a result surrounded Aranda himself with these most trusted men. The five God's us on trombone guitar had been brought in exchange to this island. Nobody he is anything Osaze anything here. Escobar told them watch what you say and don't cause trouble. These gods spent their shoes in a separate area area the low cut it row out of contact with Escobar and he's trusted associates. The football field was used regularly competitive matches his with Escobar Organizing Fajar Profile medigene pliers to be brought into ply Escobar himself would often join team and the referee Ferreri made sure that the bosses team always one in mid nineteen ninety-one prosecute kind to question ESCA about the true true origins of his wealth and he's drug trafficking crimes Escobar and his lawyers planned to deny all accusations and on the admit eventually valise serious of the drug trafficking crimes so as to fulfill the legal obligation to the government when the prosecutor asked Escobar to confirm infirmities name and occupation the drug lords stated his name and that he was a cattle farmer. If you're a cattle farmer the prosecutor asked can you you please tell me the approximate prize of a head of cattle at the market this week. I must request that we postpone these proceedings for another time is Kebob. Uh replied I have terrible headache and won't be able to continue. He then got up abruptly and left without another word before recanting counting the story to his men who rode with LOFTA for entertainment private music concerts were held at the prison and Escobar also shed your dies when beauty queens would visit La catedral to mingle with the prisoners. The women stay would be brief but they will will pied for the visits even while confined to Lakota draw escobar continued his criminal activities. He expanded new kind smuggling routes and continue to order an oversee kidnapping and extortion to generate reliable income to communicate with the outside world security. A private private single lawn was installed at the prison which connected underground to a tavern a little further down the hill. The tavern was built on a property owned by Escobar and run by Escobar's henchmen visitors to the prison. Would I meet at the tavern and then be transported by truck up to the prison isn't anyone who wasn't a visita couldn't enter the tavern. This meant that the fine line in the prison was essentially an uninterruptible completely secure communication lawn at Lucca draw one of Escobar's men built a massive pigeon coop and use it to rise and try Ryan Carrier Pigeons Vitton of visas to the prison could take the pigeons of Wi with him and then release them and hours later the pigeons would return to the prison. The carrier pigeons were immune from any. US surveillance efforts that may have been listening in his seemingly perfect arrangement can fond at La Casa drawl while overseeing cocaine smuggling operations continued into nineteen ninety-two but things would dramatically change range in July of that year two of Escobar's lieutenants Harada Kiko Moncada and Fernanda Galiana were in charge of the cartels tells day to day affairs while Escobar was imprisoned. They had a falling out between Escobar and the two lieutenants and lieutenants have been murdered according to the story that he had told he sung escobar fanned out Kiko and Galliani had been picked up by the Cali cartel then release in exchange for them cutting off financial support of Escobar and informing on here when Escobar had asked Galliano's for money Galiana told with him he was brought but when one of Escobar's associates went to check on this he found one of Galliano's catious with twenty three million dollars stashed inside and saw it when Kiko Galiana had arrived at Alcatel Drought Escobar accused them of stealing and double crossing him the two were tortured murdered and their bodies dismembered and burned for more than twelve months the Colombian government had been willing to turn a blind eye to escobar continuing to operate criminal enterprises from inside La Cottage row they public image had been strengthened by having the notorious traffic behind bars but they would not turn a blind eye to torture and murder on Tuesday July twenty first nineteen ninety-two as not fail on managing the Colombian army arrived at the prison gates by truck while several army helicopters circled above the orders were to arrest Escobar and take him into military custody as they watched the soldiers mass at saw the prison guide Escobar order the Gods who in reality where he's meant to check their weapons and barricade themselves in strategic positions ready for a far fought escobar and several of his closes men might they white to the perimeter defense and on he's order a God shut off the power plunging the cottage row into darkness while overseeing the construction of the cottage row Escobar had ordered that an escape route be built a section. If the brick perimeter will oh have been mortared using a week mix of concrete to anyone interested the section would look identical to the rest of the wool but it took aren't they too so it kicks for the bricks to give way creating a hall quickly and quietly Escobar and non fellow fugitive squeezed through who escaping into the thick scrub build the wall as they disappear into the darkness they could hit gunfire and explosions back the cut to draw aw as soldiers stormed the prison. It took a full twelve hours before US soldiers realized that Escobar had escaped once again Escobar on the run moving from hot at to hide out the news media was lit up we stories at the kingpin skype an enormous show of force was needed from the government who ordered the deployment of a specialist police use the search block search book agents right aided dozens of properties across machine ransacking the houses of known or suspected gene cartel associates instead of lying low. Escobar Escobar step top. He's intimidation tactics convinced that he's best chance of drawing the government back into a negotiation for a new deal was to Weijia campaign of violence silence at least a dozen Cobb homes were detonated in Medigene by the end of nineteen ninety two which killed at least sixty agents and countless civilians silence as the calendar. Tick dove into nineteen ninety-three there was no indication from the Colombian government that they were willing to negotiate Escobar sent a message to attorney general degreef to announce the establishment of the armed group rebel Antea Kia and that given race into wrists and rides at his lawyer's office. He had no alternative but to abandon. He's legal battle anti-cop. An organized armed struggle but what is the war hated up throughout missing the deadly Kabo Metaxas would lead to the formation of another group loss peppis. Los Pappas was a group of anonymous vigilantes claiming to have been persecuted by Pablo Escobar and we reportedly financed by the Cali cartel on January thirty first nineteen ninety-three lost pepe set of Kabul in abdul-aziz and Akos buildings where a significant number of the escobar-gaviria uh-huh Vieria and Escobar Nair families resided the group also blew up Escobar's mauvaise country house in L. Panel a month later. The News reported that the vigilantes had located in mud several of Escobar's close associates when Escobar's children dron tried to escape to the United States lost peppers vigilantes were whiting at the Bug Guitar Airport to struck with search book agents appearing to be in cahoots combined stirring. The Escobar children missed their flight. It was only thanks to the media presence that had been arranged at the airport that the children managed to escape on harmed by helicopter back diminishing Escobar responded in kind detonating another Kabo in Buggy ta that killed several people apple. He was still certain that the violence would bring the government to its knees. All it did was inspire las peppers to redouble their offensive receive efforts continuing to hunt and kill anyone close to Escobar on June third nineteen ninety-three lost peppis murdered Carlos Arturo Autour Hannay Escobar's brother-in-law who had no involvement in the drug business and had made he's leaving sailing mumps in Cartagena he'd been shot at the Rio Negro airport intending to travel to managing to visit he's wife and children in September ninety-three Escobar arrange for his family to be placed in secure protection and resettled that sought of Columbia. He made the deal with Attorney General degreef in in exchange for a promise to turn himself in once. He's family was safely at Columbia in the meantime however search book agent and lost pep is vigilantes alanthea's continued hunting him while in a heart out near Belen Agua free. US Escobar had a narrow escape search bloc agents had trying delighted. I radio telephone conversation. He'd had with his son pinpointing his location. As an Army of agents descended upon on the hot at Escobar has spotted them on approach and fled into the mountains traversing the top so several precarious cliffs after spending the naught in freezing cold and rain he fondly emerged in Belen neighborhood covered in mud with people gawking at him. Thanks to he's bid Indicia vote appearance. Not One person realised I was staring at Columbia's most infamous criminal by November nineteen ninety-three lost papers were closing in on Escobar the vigilantes kidnapped and tortured Alba Leah Landowner up professor and private teacher to Escobar's Schudrich it and Nubia Jim in is he's youngest child's. Nanny both had previously taught to ask about children while the family was on the run and had also also help facilitate communications between Escobar and his family after the groups separated the two presumed murdered but their bodies were never found on December second nineteen ninety-three Escobar made several phone calls to his son. The two were discussing seeing the details of a statement they plan to issue to the media and Escobar was dictating the proposed answers while he son scribbled them down in an effort to avoid he's location being trist. Escobar periodically hung up and cold back a few minutes later after he told he son he'd hang up. I've been called back. He son answered the phone as it rang after a few minutes but instead of his father voice introduced herself as Gloria Kgosi audie from. Qa P. Con Goaty told Escobar son that he's filed the head. Just been taken down at midday. Jeans Odorless go shopping center over the following days. The details trickled in on December thickens nineteen ninety-three search bloc agents once it's again triangulate Escobar's location from Radio Fund signals as he spoke to his son after agents surrounded the house he was hiding Escobar Scuba got wind of the operation and fled with one of his bodyguards through a window and onto the roof planning to dash across terra cotta tiles and over the roofs of neighboring building seeing the area was surrounded. He tried to rush back in through the window but was struck by two bullets I in the shoulder and then the left thigh the third fatal bullet entered through he's wrought year an exit in front of he's lefty towards face killing him instantly much speculation reminds around who fought the fight or bullet ex paramilitary later Diego Marinho Parreno climbs it was his brother Rodolfo who was responsible. Dea Agents and the Colombian government state unequivocally that it was the the Columbia National Police but both Escobar's son and he's older brother Roberta absolutely certain it was Escobar himself who you fought the fight will bullet both have told the media and have written that Escobar always said in the event he was about to be captured. He would shoot himself both in his rot. Ian He son one alleges that he wants a statement from his father that he never forgot years later. He heard the statement again. In recording that search bloc agents had made those bosses will never fucking take me alive

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Kingpins Daily: Pablo Escobar

Kingpins

05:23 min | 3 months ago

Kingpins Daily: Pablo Escobar

"This kingpins apar- cost original. I'm honest there and I'm kate. Every day in May were featuring the quote by an iconic crime figure teaching us in their own words what it takes to survive in the underworld today. We're recalling an odd moment in the life of Colombia's King of cocaine Pablo Escobar. According to his son Juan Pablo when the family was once holed up in one of Escobar's hideouts in the mountains of Medein. His father resorted to drastic measures to keep the family warm. The hideout was unheeded and without resources to start a fire soon. Escobar's daughter Manuela became so chilled as to fall into hypothermia so Pablo senior wasted little time in dragging up the only fuel available a stack of over two million dollars and lit the cash on fire. Though burning money seemed unfathomable Escobar once allegedly said. I can replace things but I could never replace my wife and kids for someone who had killed dozens of men in cold blood. Escobar was acutely aware of certain aspects of the sanctity of family. He and his wife had met when she was just a teenager of thirteen. Their choice to elope two years later defied her family's wishes but proved she wanted to make their fairytale marriage a reality and in the coming years. She gave birth to their two children. Juan Pablo and Manuela who became the cherished prizes of Escobar's I at least when he wasn't making plush smuggling deals Escobar saw himself as the king of his family in addition to the head of his business however his alleged belief that incinerating his own spoils was worth keeping the family. Warm must be taken with a grain of salt in truth Escobar's loved ones were sequestered away in the rural enclave. Because of his nefarious drug-smuggling empire in the late nineteen eighty s through the early ninety s. Escobar was wanted by Colombian police and a bounty was out for anyone close to him including his family. Such dire circumstances meant that the Paradise Pablo had once built for the family at Hacienda Annapolis. Complete with zoo animals like elephants. Giraffes was but a distant memory now. They had to live like outlaws shadows so as not to be captured or worse killed not to mention two million dollars was more money than hundreds of Colombian families could ever dream of seeing for Escobar to set it aflame as he fled. Law Enforcement was an act of blatant extravagance. Still it wasn't completely out of the ordinary for Pablo to simply shrug off losing this kind of money. According to his brother Roberto who served as one of the Cartels Accountants Pablo was earning? So much that year he would write-off ten percent of the money because the rats would eat it in storage or it would be damaged by water or lost that sunk in ten percent. Roberto was estimating amounted to a staggering figure according to the UK's independent it probably around two point one billion dollars so while Escobar was at times a Robin Hood father to his kids the very methods by which he provided for them would eventually cripple the family's freedom and livelihood this proved true as the end edged near Escobar in nineteen ninety one. He briefly made a truce with law enforcement by agreeing to turn himself in as long as he could construct his own prison. He spent a while living it up in the extravagant compound which was dubbed leconte drawl for its amenities but he tried to flee when the Colombian government ordered his transfer to a conventional prison after an exhausting sixteen months on the run S. Kabbah was shot dead in a firefight with police in the neighborhood. In medine in Nineteen ninety-three his wife Maria and their children attempted to flee Columbia immediately after briefly struggling to find a country that would allow them in Argentina. Granted them permission to live within. Its BORDERS UNDER PSEUDONYMS. Escobar's wife Maria and the children would face years of persecution even after his death the poignant moment from the freezing hideout would stay with them. Judging by one Pablo's recollection of its as an adult perhaps to him and his family. The mystifying gesture was just another demonstration of love from their king. Thanks for listening. We'll be back tomorrow. With another quote you can find more episodes of kingpins for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts.

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December 2, 2019: Pablo Escobar Killed

Today in True Crime

12:20 min | 9 months ago

December 2, 2019: Pablo Escobar Killed

"Today is Monday December. Second two thousand nineteen on this day in nineteen she ninety three notorious drug lord Pablo Escobar died in a shootout with Colombian police. You're welcome to today and true crime. Apar- cast original due to the graphic nature of today's crimes listener. Discretion is advised extreme. Caution is advised for listeners under thirteen. Today we're covering the death of kingpin. Pablo Escobar. Let's go back to a chilly afternoon. On December second nineteen ninety three in midday yien Columbia Pablo lifted the phone receiver to make a call. It had been sixteen sixteen months since he'd last seen his son. Juan Pablo long months marked by the stress of life on the run always looking over his shoulder. Sir Watching for the enemies who wanted him dead his bodyguard Albaro Day Hissou Saga Delo or L. Eamonn on lingered a few feet away but his presence provided little comfort after all elleman couldn't anticipate every Korea threat which meant the Pablo couldn't risk staying on the phone for too long. He had only a few minutes to talk to his son on the phone before where he'd risk the call being intercepted and tracked. It was dangerous but worth it. He picked up the phone. Dial and listened for for Juan Pablo to pick up. Finally his sons warm voice echoed over the line. A wave of emotion surged through Pablo. It it always did when he spoke to his children for a few seconds. They exchanged pleasantries asking about each other's lives but then Pablo scanned the street from his room above. He saw few men acting far too casual closing in on his building holding. He hung up not even bothering with a goodbye. If he survived this encounter he'd have plenty of time to chat with his son later. Pablo and El Leeman scrambled out of the apartment. Police footsteps pounded right after them. They couldn't turn to the streets too crowded too many witnesses to easy to block an escape route. He had no car no oh allies nowhere to go but up. Pablo scrambled onto a houses rooftop. Elian a step behind him as SC got his feet under him. He gasped for breath. Bullets flew through the air shattering. The quiet stillness with no cover Pablo Ram. When he reached the end of the rooftop he jumped for a panicked monument sailing twenty feet above a city street? Pablo thought he wasn't going to make it right up until he landed atop the next house but Pablo had no time to celebrate his success S. L. Lemond pointed back down the block where police officers started popping up on the rooftops chasing after them and they weren't orange shy about shooting while Ellie Mon returned covering fire Pablo continued to run fishing for his own gun but he knew his efforts were futile. He was already panting out of breath. There were only so many rooftops in Medellin only so so far he could go. He confirmed that the chamber was loaded and spared a thought for his son. One Juan Pablo. He wished he'd said more of a good bye but it was too late for regret as Pablo skidded across a tiled roof. He he accepted that he wouldn't survive this chase but at least he wouldn't go down without a fight up next we'll explore the life of Pablo Escobar and what led to the fatal shootout on the rooftops of Medellin Today in true crime is supported by better help online counseling people often portray their happiest. Be a self to others. Whether it's at work or on social media we often make it appear that we have everything figured out but a lot of times. We don't I know that. Why don't and if you're like me? It's not always easy to ask for help and find counseling. This is where better help can help you. Better help offers licensed counselors this who specialize in a variety of issues including depression and anxiety as well as trauma anger family relationships and so many others and finding a counselor that lives close to you has been an issue better. Help allows you to connect privately with your counselor through text chat phone and video calls. You can get help at your own pace and on your own time and best of all you can get help. At an affordable rate today in true crime listeners will get ten percent off their first month with Discount Code today in true crime. That's better help dot com slash today in true crime. Why why not get help better help dot com slash today in true crime now back to the story? On December second nineteen ninety three. The police chased notorious Colombian drug lord. Pablo Escobar across the rooftops of Medellin the encounter ultimately ended in forty four year old. Pablo's death breath. It was a fittingly violent end to a violent life. Pablo Escobar was the founder of the Miyun Cartel. One one of the world's largest cocaine suppliers his empire was responsible for roughly eighty percent of the United States cocaine market. He ruled ruled his domain with an iron fist. He had no qualms killing his rivals or the police to protect his own fortunes he. He became famous for the so-called silver or lead policy. He adopted toward politicians. They could choose between accepting a bribe or taking a bullet. He was responsible for tens of thousands of deaths. Thanks to raging turf wars murders. He ordered and and countless drug overdoses his crimes seemingly caught up with him on June nineteenth nineteen ninety-one forty one year old Pablo all blow negotiated a generous plea deal with Colombian authorities. Then he turned himself in per the terms of his surrender. Pablo Oblong designed his own luxurious holding facility. He had personal soccer field and gymnasium and was even able to continue running the cartel. Thanks to unrestricted phone and computer access. He seemed content to serve his five year sentence in his palatial prison but on July twenty second nineteen ninety two after thirteen months of incarceration Pablo Escobar escaped during an arranged arranged prison. Transfer Pablo's final year and a half on. The run was marked by paranoia. He had a target on his back. Thanks to the police rival drug dealers and vengeful friends and family members of the people he'd murdered in in nineteen ninety two and nineteen ninety-three several of his top enforcers and lawyers. Fell to assassinations. Pablo's wife in children attempted to flee the country but the Colombian government extradited them back home there. The Escobar families served as Bait on December second nineteen ninety three when Pablo called his son Juan Pablo from his hideout police closed-in within around him but the always vigilant Pablo somehow spotted them and tried to flee across the local rooftops after drew. A twenty minute chase. Pablo was fatally shot in the leg shoulder and head. Officially officially Pablo was killed by the search block. A task force committed to taking down the notorious Crime Lord however some of Pablo's friends and family family members have their doubts about the state's narrative Pablo son. Juan Pablo revealed that the kingpin often claimed that he'd rather kill himself. Then give the police the satisfaction of taking him down. Juan Pablo has long maintained that Pablo died of suicide and and the police took credit for the death for propaganda purposes. Other conspiracy theories suggest that the United States. Da took Pablo down to to diminish the threat his cocaine empire posed but killing Pablo didn't slow the drug trade instead it created a martyr her even after a decade of brutal violence and bloodshed Pablo Escobar became a Colombian folk hero. More than twenty eighty thousand. People attended his funeral today. Pablo's former home in safe houses are museums and tourist destinations Columbia Lumbini officials try to stem attempts to glorify the drug lord to no avail. Thanks to his charitable initiatives during his lifetime many we see Pablo Escobar as a Robin Hood. Figure we may not know who killed Pablo Escobar. But for the people of Medellin. His his legend lives on. Thanks for listening today in true crime. I'm Vanessa Richardson for more information on the life and death of Pablo Escobar. Checkout podcast original. Oh kingpins today. True crime is a podcast original. You can find more episodes of today and true crime and all other podcast originals for free on spotify modify not only does spotify already. Have all of your favorite music but now spotify is making it easy for you to enjoy all of your favorite podcast originals. Like liked today and true crime for free from your phone desktop or smart speaker to stream today in true crime on spotify. Just open the APP and type today in true crime in the search bar at par cast. We're grateful for you our listeners. You allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out out on facebook and instagram at par cast and twitter at podcast network. We'll be back with a brand new episode tomorrow in True Crime. Today in true crime was created by Max Cutler and is a podcast studios original it is executive produced by Max Cutler Cutler sound designed by Kerry Murphy With Production Assistance by Ron Shapiro and Carl Madden this episode today. True crime was written by Angela. Jorgensen then with writing assistance by Abigail Cannon and Maggie Admire. I'm Vanessa Richardson.

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The King of Cocaine Pt. 3: Pablo Escobar

Kingpins

45:27 min | 10 months ago

The King of Cocaine Pt. 3: Pablo Escobar

"Due to the graphic nature of this kingpins crimes listener discretion is advised this episode includes discussions of murder and torture that some people may find offense sieve we advise extreme caution for children under thirteen it was fall of nineteen fine Pablo Escobar control with the only weapons he knows best coercion bribery end violence series on Colombian drug Lord Pablo Escobar last week we witnessed Pablo's fall from multimillionaire Colombian congressman tradition to the United States he was on top of the world but everything unravelled when Pablo was exposed as a drug trafficker by his politic ndo mentally reviewing the cases on his docket while his driver navigated the heavy city traffic suddenly a motorcycle slipped between the Lane Bob blow and for Columbia over the next ten years hundreds of people by some estimates even thousands would die for defense to political pariah when his criminal history was exposed this week Pablo let's his facade of legitimacy drop away and takes is crime rings from street gangs to mafiosos to understand how a kingpin or Queen Pin rises to the top of the underworld laments the passenger lifted an AK47 and sprayed bullets into the back seat the assassins sped and why they fall as we followed the lives of infamous crime bosses will explore how money and power change them and how it changed the community kingpins for free on spotify just open the APP and type kingpins in the search bar at podcast we are grateful for you our listeners Pablo was thirty two years old in March nineteen eighty two when he won a seat in the Colombian Congress he was raking in millions of dollars. You allow us to do what we love let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network around them you can find episodes of kingpins and all other par- cast originals for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts to St Today's episode the best way to help us to leave a five star review wherever you're listening it really does help us this is the third episode in our four part ars every week from his cocaine empire and his congressional seat granted immunity from prosecution for he is a legal drug trade including protection from it Kohl rival Minister of Justice Rodrigo Lara in August nineteen eighty-three Laura supported the national newspaper El espectador Pablo Escobar the judge earned his death sentence by issuing a warrant for Pablo's arrest his assassination marked the beginning of a new era for way leaving the judge rapidly bleeding to death in the backseat his execution had been ordered by L. Petron cocaine kingpin means of gridlock vehicles and stopped right next to the judges window there were two people on the motorcycle their faces obscured behind tented when they published a damning article about Pablo's arrest for trafficking back in one thousand nine hundred seventy six the article destroyed Pablo's political rear end spawned new warrants for his arrest Pablo's political future imploded Laura called Congress to strip Pablo's congressional immune and I'm Kate Leonard and this is kingpins apart cast original every Friday we journey inside the ranks of Oregon urges against him El Tiempo the biggest National Colombian newspaper contextualized the gravity of Pablo's political position by asking how is democracy going to continue in Columbia if it is managed and manipulated by criminals but even in the face of national pressure Pablo refused to vacate his seat and give up his congressional immunity Pablo's fall was still swift less than a month after his first congressional already even a former ally of Pablo's Senator Alberto some to fee meal issued a public statement asking Pablo to quit politics and face the appearance Pablo was public enemy number one in Columbia his life and livelihood were endanger like they'd never been before and not just from Colombian authorities Columbia had signed an extradition treaty with the United States in one thousand nine hundred seventy nine it was is designed to allow the US to prosecute and imprison the Colombian drug traffickers or narcos responsible for the nonstop flow of cocaine and other drugs Breen Court with analyzing the legality of the extradition treaty while they deliberated extradition remained in limbo Pablo's nemesis eggs into the country but Colombian President Bilas Reo Beta couture was reluctant to act on the treaty he along with many officials didn't want the Minister of Justice Rodrigo Lara was ready to push that issue he told the press the more I learn the more I know of the damage that the other countries imposing their laws Columbia so instead of signing extradition orders President Bayton cour chose to filibuster he tasked the I wanNA traffickers including some members of the Medellin cartel and Pablo himself Pablo flexed back with his own lawyers narcos are causing the country I will never again refuse the extradition of one of these dogs after Lara exposed Pablo's trafficking activity as and demonstrated how Pablo's drug profits allowed him to buy his way out of jail public support for extradition increased and in October nine eighteen eighty three the Colombian supreme court ruled extradition legal extradition warrants were issued for several Colombian cocaine his life Pablo was running scared the possibility of a lifetime inside a US jail cell became more real with each passing day by February nineteen eighty-four he managed to get his extradition warrant withdrawn but it did little to ease his mind for the first time in strike first strike Pablo ordered the assassinations of the investigations leaders like the judge who issued his arrest warrant Laura many people remember him declaring. I would rather have a grave in Colombia than a jail cell in the United States men issued death threats to Laura's family over the phone Laura published more news stories about Pablo's history stealing cars but in March nineteen blow wasn't going down without a fight but Laura was up to the challenge into the spring of Nineteen eighty-four the two men matched in eighty four Laura and his partners in the DA got a big break and they used it to hit Pablo where it would hurt most his business approve da sponsored testing of new herbicides on coca feels destroying the plants and disrupting Pablo's pipeline Pablo had his hit name roughly translates to quiet land many people both in the cocaine trade and in law enforcement had heard something about Qalandia it was a legend for its fastness it's impressive manufacturing volume it significance as a symbol of Narko cooperation all city than a lab among the numerous facilities there was a school living bathing and dining facilities for several hundred workers and of course the lush green canopy the nearest road was over two hundred fifty miles away the impressive group of structures was called Frankie Land Lia the US or Caribbean islands in March nineteen eighty-four a crucial shipment of ether arrived from the lab supplier Chen but almost no one knew where to find it in the thousands of miles of untamed jungle trunkey Lonzo was one of the largest cocaine I ate busy airstrips planes were constantly landing with the raw materials needed to make cocaine including coca paste either in the southeast corner of the remote Colombian jungle near the Peruvian border was a vast compound hidden beneath and other chemicals the same planes would take off with loads of white powder cocaine bound for larger airports other labs for further Synthesis Phillipsburg New Jersey workers unloaded ninety five heavy metal drums off the plane rolling them directly into the lab they didn't know that labs in Columbia it was officially owned by Jose Gonzalo Rodriguez Gotcha a member of the median cartel but all the members contributed to Steve in just two Years Trang Alania had produced over twelve billion dollars worth of cocaine the enormous complex functioned more like a small Alania had finally been revealed the DA had been cunning to use ether as their entree in one thousand nine hundred eighty four for only seven companies in the world producing ether each of those companies was targeted with wiretaps and undercover agents until the cartels plyer was revealed once the guilty company was facing criminal charges they were more than happy to slip a few transponders into their product thick jungle once the invading officers realized that trank Alania offered little by way of security they put down their guns and picked up a few days later on March Tenth Nineteen eighty-four Several helicopters descended on Tranquilli India heavily armed officers find everything left behind was burned the entire compound smoldered the belongings of hundreds of workers one of the sons of cocaine worth approximately one point two billion dollars it was the largest cocaine seizure ever completed the bus work available was hard labor that paid about a dollar per week an assassination like Laura's looked like the doorway to a new life not only kind specially designed chemical equipment several airplanes twelve thousand drums of chemicals and over fifteen defected the world's supply so severely that up in Miami addicts had to spend a little more to get their coq fix after the machine gun fire on the ground it was chaos some of the workers quickly submitted to arrest others fled directly into the five hundred thousand dollars for his murder the barrios of medicine were full of young men who hunger to work for L. Petron when most her for another high profile motorcycle murder that method of assassination had become so common it had its own name Pari Gyro and Columbia his legend as the hero of the underdogs was stronger than ever Pablo had no problem finding someone to fulfil his order Colombian national police left from the helicopters before they even landed one of the helicopters remained airborne spraying Cranky Alania with Yup cameras the DA and Colombian authorities wanted evidence that could be used in court to sentence drug traffickers like Pablo to life and but it sat beside him on the seat he knew if Pablo Sakarov came for him it wouldn't do him any good he was right the in the morning strategizing with his cabinet the public assassination of the Minister of Justice made Columbia look lawless right now up next Pablo Escobar goes to war with the Colombian government if they drove the four hundred and eighteen kilometers to Bogota overnight then spent the next day searching the city for Lara in the up ahead and traffic they finally sought a gleaming white limo the windows were heavily tinted but they knew who was inside Laura sat in the air conditioned back seat there had been so many threats on his life the US State Department had supplied him with a bulletproof vest the inside two of the drums tiny transponders related their location all the way back to the DA the secret location of traffic bullies masterminds mustache twirler 's for every hero there is a villain the new podcast Orgin Urgen Mary into his underwear the other tucked a Mac ten into his jacket at seven pm they climbed onto a Yamaha motorbike and sped off in all villains explores the psychological political and emotional factors that spawned both real and fictional villains every Friday Laura was shot seven times he died instantly that night Colombian President Baytown Cour stayed up until three eight villains focuses on a different real or fictional evil doer for fictional villains you'll delve into the social influences that led to that character completely ease the workers were arrested and sent back to Bogota for processing the DA Colombian officials collected all the paperwork they could turn noon they heard Laura was traveling in a white Mercedes Benz limousine that evening the sicario sped through the streets of Bogota isn or even death they photographed and videotaped state of the art facilities in airplane hangars right alongside the primitive living conditions of the overweight is the work profitable but there was honor and working for L. Patrol on now Pablo was openly battling with two hostile governments the United States now back to the story in April of nineteen eighty four thirty four years Richard Kuklinski and the coed killer Ed Kemper some are fictional some are real all our villains oh which roughly translates to barbecue on April twenty ninth nineteen eighty-four two young men on a mission hello villains for free on spotify or wherever you get your podcasts or visit podcast dot com slash villains to listen now the creation for real villains you'll learn the true story of their dark deeds and we'll explain what drove them to evil you'll hear Lumbia no choice if they wanted to maintain law and order they had to eliminate the man who so openly defied their authority L. Petron obstruction of trunk Yolanda the medein cartel didn't waste any more time in striking back they put out a hit on Rodrigo. Lara offering Pablo began a systematic attack approaching every bureaucrat he could reach with the same message plotter ope Lomo in the summer of military but he wasn't going to take a hit to his freedom and business lying down he knew that the Colombian justice system was live to dismiss Pablo's charges the judge was told asked for whatever you want and they'll put it wherever you want it in Colombia or outside the money and cooperate or you're dead but the judge didn't bite he refused the bribe the plaza that meant he would be getting almo- lead of you days later five men opened fire on that same judge as he was entering a taxi he was eighteen eighty four the judge who indicted Pablo for Laura's murder was leaving his courthouse a well dressed man approached him he offered the judge recycle stopped in front of a shrine to Santa Maria Auxiliary Dora near Medina they both said a prayer for luck one tucked a prayer card of the on the radio for an emergency broadcast he identified drugs as the most serious problem Columbia has had in its history moving forward is now being pursued by his own government US Customs the DA the coastguard federal police state police and the United States ready to prosecute and imprison the Colombian narcos funneling drugs north and Pablo was on top of their hit list Pablo just one of many some judges were presented with photographs of their children or wives during their daily routine some received death threats in the mail Pablo Escobar now not only was the Colombian government hell bent on taking down traffickers but the United States finally had the authority notable to corruption if he had all the judges in his pocket none of them would be willing to serve indictments against him or is close allies so episodes on characters like Don Vito Corleone and no country for old man's Anton sugar as well as real life villains like the ice man let's to show that they weren't an assassin trying to hide their face in the fall of Nineteen eighty-four an empty car board President Baytown Cooler would speed up extraditions to the United States Pablo's government was no longer protecting him oh Pablo Escobar held more power in the public eye than the president and that would not be tolerated president beaten courier Arken citizens journalist Mark Bodin Rights Pablo's policy of Plateau Palomo became so notoriously effective that it roll toward the US embassy in the middle of the afternoon it hit a curb and exploded blocks away windows rattled and bill rolled Pablo Escobar ordered the assassination of his Nemesis Minister of Justice Rodrigo Lara Laura's murder left the government of color l. many were murdered then Pablo's reign of terror expanded from law enforcement two informants to Amir voice telling him he was going to die the sounds of motorcycle engines became sources of sudden fear innocent writers stopped wearing help embassy staff was stripped down to a skeleton crew their children traveled to school in a caravan of jeeps mounted with machineguns diplomats moved the country then you can relax neither your life nor the lives of your family members will be in danger this subtext was clear take on the country in Armored Vehicles Pablo contracted a team of hit men to kidnap key DEA agents running the investigation against him would automatically threatened to undermine Colombia's democracy when President Beta uncork picked up his private telephone he often heard a low gravelly his most trusted allies it was where he felt most in control and most at home Pablo was far from giving up polity ran out Pablo got word that Noriega was in talks with the United States government and using Pablo surrender as a bargaining chip nine on his neck red killed for being a DA informant while Columbia existed in a state of Ancia one informants body was found with pins sticking out from under each of his fingernails and a bullet hole in his head. General Manuel Noriega Pablo slept in late and played soccer on the golf course in the afternoons he still ran his business from the lecture the honeymoon was over at the beginning of Nineteen eighty-five Pablo returned to Columbia even though his enemies were there so were soon after that the DA shut down their office in Medellin Colombia working with the DEA were punished in the brutal tradition of Laviola of his mansion by the end of Nineteen eighty-four it looked like Pablo had the upper hand but then general Noriega's hospital things shook flames shot three hundred feet into the air six people were injured and one person was killed after the car bomb terror Pablo and his family were hiding out in a borrowed mansion in Panama next to a golf resort they were the guests of Panama's dictator the three in Bogota the capital city of Columbia a finely dressed judge road in the back seat of a dusty sedan he gazed out the Boden Pablo saw his fate and Columbia's as the same and as notorious as he became he never in many ways returning to his home country demonstrated a renewed dedication to the fight his mindset is well summed up by journalists Mark uh-huh for free on spotify and anywhere you listen to podcasts them although he was defending his own freedom he also couldn't stand that another country was imposing its laws on Columbia it made even with everyone on edge Pablo still commanded respect when he stood up to speak the crowd went silent early extradited six traffickers and nine others were being held in Colombian jails awaiting transport the same fate awaited anyone aide Hacienda Annapolis this time the group assembled on a rural farm called the circle no amenities just business at the meeting there were over two hundred bodyguards who came with all the toys meaning guns lots of guns but was clear take my ideal or come and get me go ahead try it the Colombian government declined Pablo's offer in the fall of ninety bodyguard's though of course anyone who stood up to him was a dead man walking Pablo was flexing the message to Colombian authorities Lumbia look weak and it made the United States into some kind of moral savior he fired up the crowd and they all adopted his own mantra problem limited attendance to just VIP's No small-time smugglers he only wanted people he knew he could trust people of back and forth on whether Pablo actually did offer to pay off the national debt however the fact that many believed he made this offer and that he could he would dismantle his trafficking organization and turn over the bulk of his money to help pay down the national debt which at the time was probably around intend billion dollars he would even consider a brief prison sentence but only in Columbia we should note here that there's a lot couldn't accidentally stop the bullet the group called themselves the extraditables many of the leaders pledged money and their own SICARIO is oh had brought them together to discuss an issue that affected them all extradition by September nineteen eighty five the United States said success a friend than the last time he summoned them together after Martha Ocho is kidnapping in Nineteen eighty-one instead of gathering everyone at his luxurious estate toward the 'cause once again Pablo had created his own army that night in September of nineteen eighty five Pablo called another meeting of all the medicine cartel leaders the tone was a little bit Laghouat as much to lose as he did even so the atmosphere was understandably tents for the seventy cartel member better a grave in Colombia than a jail cell in the United States Pablo proposed a blood pact everyone pledged to commit suicide and throwing a massive Christening party for his daughter Manuela who was born in Panama on May Twenty Fifth Nineteen eighty-four he's still traveled with an entourage of armed Ford to back it up is telling enough of the kind of reputation Pablo enjoyed at the time Pablo was living freely in Michigan attending bullfights for now two weeks later Pablo found out what ignited the raid on the circle a member of the Mercedes Roberto was rattled no one delivered flowers after midnight especially not in a Mercedes but he shrugged it off as he told Roberto about his plans for the extraditables he drank coffee and a cake. Pablo and Roberto startled at the no one can now back to the story Pablo Escobar was at a new low in September of Ninety Z. Pablo could always be depended upon to keep a cool head a few minutes after they were done dodging bullets he could get everyone but even that couldn't save him up next Pablo ratchets up the violence if he can't be safe in eighty five it was extradition or nothing Pablo dug in his heels time to take this war up a notch arrival Cali cartel had been present during the gathering the Cali cartel member had alerted the government to Pablo's position hoping the brothers continued talking and eating for a few hours until a terrible sound made them freeze gunshots right before allowing themselves to be captured by Americans they agreed on a preferred method a gun shot right behind the year where the skull door he told the gorgeous woman that she had the wrong address there was no Dr Hernandez here she apologized and drove off in her pristine gunfire faded behind them many people kept running but Pablo slowed to a walk telling them you guys are going to kill yourselves running where you can't against it the United States would have to cease extradition Pablo's set the extraditables to the task of swinging the judges opinions laughing after walking all night the group came upon another of Pablo's bodyguards who had managed to escape by car they were safe one of the bullets grazed Roberto some of the body guards in farmworkers took off to running barefoot in their pajamas or underwear even as the to secure their own immunity from extradition by giving up Pablo Pablo sense of security was shattered in a group of men he thought we're all his guests left Kabo relaxed at the circle with his brother Roberto Pablo was feeling secure and powerful invincible even we are capable of anything absolutely everything one judge with a heart condition received a tiny coffin person the other end said we know where she is the pressure increased every day but despite the threats the justices remain have supposed we know exactly where they are we will do away with your entire family we have no compassion whatsoever precedings in just a few minutes they would rule on extradition suddenly the courtroom doors opened and guerrillas we're friends all it took was one trader to almost ruin him the rest of his life would be spent in a state of high paranoia for to turn himself in it was time for the extraditables to show their teeth. Although the Colombian Supreme Court had ruled extradition legal aimed steadfast all the Intel coming out of the court was that the judges plan to uphold the treaty extraordinary measures were called analyzed with his name when another judge's daughter was about to undergo an operation the hospital phone rang the throaty voice gallery rush down to the floor pulling guns from under their clothes in fact they weren't civilians they were guerrillas in disguise the judges all received threatening letters we declare war against you we declare war against the members of your family as you may have lawyers and staff hostage the security guards were already dead the guerrillas blocked all of the exits with furniture disassembled in the Protocol Salon of the National Palace the Colombian National Anthem was playing to signal the start of judicial eighteen eighty five he had been run off his own farm in the middle of the night escaping by the skin of his teeth the Colombian government had refused his Kabila when Roberto didn't wait to find out who was firing they just ran blindly into the pitch black wilderness behind the circle the shots continued Atlanta Ctober nineteen eighty-three the issue was being brought before the Supreme Court again in the fall of nineteen eighty five if the court ruled m nineteen after that affair had been completed now working under contract for Pablo M nineteen took three hundred supreme court judges sound of someone at the door it was after midnight there was no reason for anyone to be on the property a bodyguard reported that there was a beautiful well dressed woman at the door she arrived in a Mercedes and claimed she was there to deliver flowers to Dr Hernandez Roberto went to the the records that could put him in prison in the United States were burning of course so was a building full of exhausted hysterical dressed in green army fatigues stormed in they were armed to the teeth with machineguns rifles and grenades civilians in the were destroyed he couldn't be extradited by the second day of the siege all attempts at hostage negotiation had failed at one back the day ended with guerrillas in control of the building the entire nation including Pablo watched the situation live on television extradition and in the next breath wanted President Bayton core prosecuted for reneging on his promise to achieve peace takers a tank smashed through a wall of the building finally allowing the troops access to the inside the guerrillas used live hostile his primary goal was actually much more simple the destruction of the evidence supporting his own personal extradition if the records Asian he was waiting for one thing fire although Pablo hope the occupation of the building would change the ruling on extradition there's rocket launchers and snipers the military launched rockets into the historic judicial building blasting holes into the wall live smoke started to billow out from the upper levels of the building watching at home Pablo made a rare show of emotion he smiled ostriches and guerrillas everyone crammed into a bathroom on the first floor a shelter from the flames Pablo's reign of terror head had the desired effect yet again Pablo maintain the upper hand with pure violence you're on November sixth nineteen thousand five the twenty four Supreme Court just over a hundred people died in about a dozen were missing and never found eleven supreme court justices were among the dead the Colombian police and military responded to the hostage situation hundreds of troops arrived in tanks and helicopters with grenade launcher and mounted their machine guns on top of the piles they made demands ranging from the predictable to the absurd they demanded the prohibition of surviving judges criticized President Bayton cores lack of effort to negotiate and the final ruling on extradition was delayed indefinitely so they snuck into the building the day before and slept there overnight to be optimally placed for the occupation in the morning Pablo had enlisted the next morning President Bayton cour still refused to negotiate instead he authorized a full military assault on the hostile US lawyers and judges were reported daily Guillermo Kono Isaza wrote in the national newspaper El espectador the help of m nineteen the same guerrilla group that kidnapped Martha show up back in one thousand nine hundred eighty one he had built up a good relationship with ca intercepted there were five more that went through at this point he was smuggling about twenty million dollars worth of cocaine in throughout nineteen eighty-six he used the same plateau aplomb oh tactics to keep the justice system in line the murder of rebellious journals Dr dropped troops onto the roof only to be hit with guerrillas sniper fire through the skylights the fighting was fierce but police were ultimately the indictment including El espectador the papers director Guillermo Cano Isaza had remained an outspoken critic of the cartel they went public with an indictment of all the leaders of the Midi gain cartel including Pablo newspapers all over Colombia covered being more drug shipments during nineteen eighty six than they ever had before they were barely making a dent in Pablo's business for every shipment the multiple residences always surrounded by a tight group of bodyguards Pablo owned about twenty taxis and medicine which us tells thousands attended the slain journalists funeral the day after his death the newspaper ran the headline Sigi Mos just as human shields as they tried to escape soon the building was overrun by the military the siege was over all told point there was a working phone line but all the gunfire and explosions made communication impossible at seven PM on November sixth nineteen eighty-four but something was changing in the beginning of nineteen eighty seven more and more people were beginning to openly speak against the cartel it had become a death sentence in Columbia Konno's blood sprayed all over his family's Christmas Ruari fourth nineteen eighty seven Medellin cartel leader Carlos later was arrested near Rio Negro Columbia some sort Allante we go on although Pablo and Colombian and US authorities continued to strike at each other tit for tat since anyone might expect this much death to wear down the people of Colombia into a numb state of inaction in the back seat of his station Wagon Christmas presents he bought for his family on his lunch break he was waiting to make a left turn when he heard the sound on swell of public opposition to the cartel made the fight feel different it finally looked like the tides might be turning against the narcos on during nineteen eighty-six Pablo kept living it up and met with his family he went out to clubs and hosted parties fifth nineteen eighty-seven the Colombian Supreme Court ruled that extradition law had been ratified unconstitutionally. It was a win on this is say that Pablo gave up later in order to curry favor with authorities whether that's true or not the arrest did not look good for Pablo realized what was happening they fired back and killed one of the SICARIO does not only had Pablo's mission failed but it had been foiled and things got even better for Pablo due to lack of evidence an improperly obtained evidence his indictments for the murders of journal each shipment but the government dealt Pablo a severe blow on November seventeenth one thousand nine hundred eighty six about two weeks before his thirty seventh birthday used for transportation since all vehicles were identical it was difficult track Pablo's movements around the city although the DA was bust dating back to the nineteen seventies and all the pertinent witnesses had been killed for the first time in four years it really the People Pablo claimed he was serving on New Year's Eve nineteen eighty seven Pablo should have been celebrating his victories he was welcome on Pablo's orders they were there to take Martinez hostage to use as leverage in negotiations with the government but when Martinez neighbors old Manuela and eleven year old Juan Pablo to sleep in a steel reinforced multistorey complex called Monaco hobble referred you're it seems we have decided to live with crime and declare ourselves defeated the drug cartel has taken over Columbia he was fighting for the people of Colombia that gave him purpose power and authority but now his nation's love for him he looked like he was going to be off the hook but even though his legal troubles were fading away Pablo had lost something he always seem to be draining away if felt like the very

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The King of Cocaine Pt. 1: Pablo Escobar

Kingpins

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The King of Cocaine Pt. 1: Pablo Escobar

"Due to the graphic nature of this kingpins crimes listener discretion is advised this episode includes discussions of murder torture and drug abuse that some mm people may find offensive we advise extreme caution for children under thirteen is cocaine trafficker the world has ever seen Pablo seventy million dollars a day during this episode will get to know Pablo at his most powerful and then take a look at his childhood and to cutting off appendages to gouging out eyeballs with hot spoons a SICARIO answered the phone it was on legendary cocaine trafficker Pablo Escobar throughout the nineteen eighties Pablo headed up the Medellin cartel overseeing the Pablo's signal to his sicario 's much better Pablo told his wife he loved her beside him the Pablo Escobar was performing routine maintenance on his cocaine empire by torturing a traitor Pablo's personal team of early criminal career sussing out all the details that set him on a path toward his destiny becoming the most powerful rich and dangerous and this is kingpins apar- cast original every Friday we journey inside the ranks of Organized Crime Rings From Street gangs slipped beneath a photo of the Virgin Mary he was a multimillionaire but he always wore a t shirt and sneakers and preferred fast food too fancy meals Kabar life is defined by dramatic contradictions he made his fortune illegally transporting a highly addictive and destructive substance but he the lives of infamous crime bosses will explore how money and power changed them and how it changed the community around them you can find episodes of kingpins hit-men his SICARIO 's tortured at his command they had many methods to deal with traders from drilling holes in these or fingers muddling of eighty tons of cocaine into the United States every month by some estimates the Medellin cartel was making more than me was expecting Pablo had gotten word that a fire was tearing through a dump nearby called more Beata the dump was home to the all other podcast originals for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts to stream kingpins for free on spotify just open we love let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter at par cast network and if you enjoyed today's episode rain trafficker I'm how old and I'm Kate Leonard Orest people in Medellin they lived in shanties cobbled together from whatever they could salvage Pablo made his entire entourage leave the found but the traitor wooden shut up Pablo couldn't have proper conversation with his wife with someone shrieking in the background sicario is dragged away the traders corpse just another day in the office for the world's most powerful and dangerous cocaine the APP tap browse and type kingpins in the search bar at podcast we're grateful for you. Our listeners you allow us to do is the poor had been living in it was a chaotic horrifying scene Pablo was heartbroken but he was also invigorated he had is to mafiosos to understand how a kingpin or Queen Pin Rises to the top of the underworld and why they fall is we food the best way to help us is to leave a five star review wherever you're listening it really does help us this is our first in a four episode series as much as Pablo was feared for mandating torture and executions he was also beloved for his charitable work and Columbia Hi may as usual Pablo had made sure they could enjoy the game from the best field level seats it was a great game so it came as found a location to build homes for everyone who had lost theirs in the fire they formed a budget for construction and Pablo financed it the resources to help these people Pablo immediately appointed his cousin High May to head a committee for the recovery effort the committee Bob Lowe's wife Maria Victoria Henao Pablo's demeanor shifted immediately as he took the call he murmured sweetly into the so children could play soccer safely at night is also responsible for hundreds maybe even thousands of assassinations his unimagined uh-huh Pablo's kindness toward the people of Colombia was just a ploy to ensure votes even if that's true he's still beloved for it hips at any given moment Pablo do whatever he wanted sometimes he wanted to fund medical treatment for eighty Colombians and sometimes he and allowed needy families to move in free of charge the new neighborhood he constructed became known as borrow Pablo Escobar a few months a shock when Pablo insisted that they leave in the middle of the Action Pablo hustled everyone out of the stands for an emergency but it wasn't what anyone uh-huh manufacturing volume every year but there seemed to be no limit to the world's appetite for cocaine and that meant there was no limit to Pablo's wealth name so they could check on the status of the fire and its victims when they arrived Morabito was mostly gone up in flames along with all the shacks Pablo's brother Roberto Escobar acted as his lead accountant overseeing a team of ten the team budgeted twenty five hundred Real Estate Holdings Roberto would simply store massive sums in colitis hiding places built into the walls floors and even in early nineteen eighty two when Pablo was thirty two years old he was at a soccer game in many Yien with some friends including his cousin he likes to quip that he was a few inches taller than Al Capone the legendary American gangster in fact capone stood a couple of inches taller than seventy five thousand dollars at his height some estimates put Pablo's personal prophets at fifty million dollars a week after the fire Pablo's goodwill paid off he was elected to a seat in the Chamber of Representatives of the Colombian Congress some double riches don't explain the why behind the paradoxes but they do explain the how with millions of dollars in cash at his finger blow but by almost every other measurement Pablo was bigger in one thousand nine hundred eighty one he was manufacturing and delivering eccentric and frivolous but occasionally it was also ingenious one night Pablo was watching James Bond her and a thick moustache across his entire upper lip he was paunchy and at five feet six inches he was a little touchy about his diminutive height one of Pablo's multibillion dollar cocaine empire was at its height he was only thirty one years old he had a full head of dark way the hair dollars a month for rubber bands to keep track of the cash there was so much money coming in it couldn't all be laundered through banks and Pablos vast to this day some Colombian still honor Pablo by hanging photographs of him in their homes and businesses those tendencies rolling unseen just beneath the plaster floorboards Roberto would store five million dollars sometimes more inside one Kalita two submarines because why have one submarine when you can have to Roberto was an engineer so he designed the electrical system tord paradox makes him a perplexing figure it can be hard to believe that the same man who built soccer fields with stadium lighting all over Colombia four out of every five lines of cocaine snorted in the United States and he had just put roots down in Europe Pablo increased is organization the hideaways would be lined with bags of coffee because it absorbed the unpleasant smell cash took on when it became damp Roberto would pay wanted to plant a bomb in a government building his money made both possible with a snap of his fingers in one thousand nine hundred is preposterous but of course no one said so they agreed that smuggling in a submarine was inspired but now they had to figure out how to charity he spent in one of two ways on his business and on his family as you can imagine his spending and both these areas was often today in July of two thousand nineteen the DA busted a submarine carrying seventeen thousand pounds of cocaine residents of the Kaleida homes handsomely for the inconvenience of having their walls stuffed with illegal cash but even though Roberto too great pain is when he wasn't busy keeping track of Pablo's cash the submarines were constructed for efficiency no-frills just plenty of space for cargo worth thousands of dollars to smuggle it into the United States there it would sell for about eighty thousand dollars every kilo netted a profit of get their hands on one purchasing submarine outright would blow their cover so a Russian engineer and a British engineer were brought to Colombia to construct states that in the nineteen eighties it cost about one thousand dollars to manufacture one kilogram of cocaine in Colombia it cost about four movie with Roberto when some friends it was probably the nineteen seventy seven film the spy who loved me since the film features a submarine modeled after a loaded project was called midein seen to Orios or median without shantytowns Pablo paid for the construction of over four hundred homes once they were operational the submarines could carry up to twelve hundred kilograms of cocaine to the coast of the United States every few weeks divers on the bills or simply forgetting where the money was stored Pablo had so much money he literally couldn't spend it fast enough what he didn't give me is to protect the store bills he still had to write off about ten percent of their cash holdings every year millions were lost due to water damage rats nibbling in the Colombian jungle each complex was more like a village than a lab Pablo provided living accommodations schools dining areas and he was already the wealthiest man in Columbia in one thousand nine hundred eighty two and well on his way to becoming the wealthiest man in the world the DAS Tori workers lived and slept when a plane approached the workers had three minutes to exit their homes and pushed them off the runway the directly from the source unfortunately the runways made the laboratory easy to spot from overhead which made them a sitting target for law enforced Pablo also invested a lot of money in the manufacturing arm of his business the bulk of his cocaine was produced an enormous laboratories hidden deepen is a spree as one sports car during the viewing Pablo commented that they should try smuggling cocaine in submarines everyone thought this idea fueled and was loaded with cargo it would take off and the homes would be rolled back into place once again obscuring the landing strip wing pools of houses all over met a yen Kalita translates literally to creek these were like little hidden rivers full of money houses were so small they could be pushed by one person. The plane would immediately taxing under the tree canopy hidden from view after it re medical treatment facilities for the hundreds of workers who live there one of Pablo's most ingenious labs was near the Venezuelan border in an isolate Mrs rhinoceroses giraffes ostriches elephants zebras monkeys and Kangaroos to fill out his vibe Pablo rarely drank and never used cocaine he preferred to smoke marijuana Pablo mounted his very first plane needed area called Luciano's Orientale lays this particular lab had its own set of runways so the smuggling planes could pick up the drugs what's motorcycles and even a hovercraft but what really made Hacienda Napoli's famous was the zoo Pablo imported a piper cub single propeller above the entrance to his private paradise it was a small plane designed to fly low when avoid radar detection for his family Pablo built an incredible paradise called Hacienda Napoli's it was a few hours drive swim out and manually transport their loads to the floor of the shore Roberto claims that Pablo was the first smuggler to use this method and it remains popular coming up will explore how Pablo's devotion to both charity and violence originated in his childhood gene pools a private cinema several fully outfitted kitchens with private chefs a few runways and an airplane hangar he had both Asian for himself and his family several houses to host guests garages to store his car collection basketball courts soccer fields swimming Pablo considered it a reminder to his guests all the things they were about to enjoy started with that little plane now back to the story Pablo Escobar's contradictory legacies as a humanitarian and and would split among his guests reciting poetry or singing tango music from Argentina but as much as Pablo encouraged his guests to or visit podcast dot com slash mythical monsters to listen now you want but that problem was solved with a literal fleet of homes on wheels most of the time the runway would be full of small houses where the Pablo's birth coincided with the beginning of a decade long war between Liberals and Conservatives in Columbia that left hundreds of thousands chance demons these are the monsters that must be slain by any great hero in myths but these monsters aren't merely adversaries murderer were both fueled by his humongous fortune now will explore the childhood that built the foundation for such a dynamic of our fear of the deep was the Nemean lion just one more monster for Hercules to slay or was it a symbol of man's dominance over nature passage the animals sent if he could illegally transport a rhinoceros cocaine snap Hacienda anomalies was known for epic parties that last there are a reflection of the darkest fears man once had every Monday the podcast original mythical monsters tells the stories of these beasts a childhood he almost didn't survive dragons sea serpents John Come along on a journey to uncover the beasts of the past follow mythical monsters for free on spotify an anywhere you listen to podcasts kingpin Pablo Emilio Escobar Gaviria was born on December first nineteen forty nine during Laviola now infamous machete mutilation techniques were born one is known as the flower vase the victim would be decapitated and their limbs cut off then their limbs would be stuffed into their neck turning their torso into a vase do he smuggled all the animals into Columbia skirting international laws about transporting wild animals he enjoyed the subliminal me and asks what they represent to mankind was the crack in just a giant sea monster or was it the physical manifestation of seven-year-old Pablo woke up in the room he shared with his brother and sister outside he could hear shouting gunshots and screams live outside the city of Medellin on a little under eight square miles of land with a river running through it on the property Pablo built a massive man he knew what this meant the moment Pablo and his family had been dreading was finally here Los Choose Marrow's had come for them listed over a week Pablo it entertain everyone from celebrities to politicians to his own employees who needed to blow off steam he paid top down but Roberto Remembers Little Pablo crying in fear he gave his brother a baby bottle to soothe him from their hiding place Pablo could he la Valencia defined Pablo's early childhood and gave him one of his earliest memories in the middle of the night in nineteen fifty seven their preferred weapon was the machete along sharp knife with a sturdy handle it was prevalent as a farming tool before it became a murder weapon Dari Escobar Etcheverry a rancher and farmer and Hey Muda Dalos delores Gaviria Berio a primary school teacher Allard bring the most popular performers from all over South America to come perform at his party's Pablo loved being the center of attention the St Pablo could hear his neighbors being dragged from their homes his family barred the door. Pablo's mother Hilda instructed the children hasn't guerrilla armies known as Los Choose Marrow's the mobs roamed the nation killing innocent people they thought were part of the Liberal Party Don Pablo and his family nearly perished inside the Burning House if they had perhaps Colombia's democracy would be silence it was part of our heritage Pablo's childhood normalized bloodshed and built up his tolerance for it he would witness and command brutal dozens dead the prolonged conflict became known simply as Laviola from nineteen forty eight to around nineteen fifty eight violence unflinchingly for the rest of his life that night when Laviola Zia came to Pablo zone home he learned that violence it was the mid nineteen eighties somewhere in the jungles outside Medellin Colombia multimillionaire narcotics trafficker toward the schoolhouse where survivors were gathering Pablo's brother Roberto carried him through the streets the only light came from marrow's did their best to break down the door but it held strong for a moment there was a reprieve perhaps they would simply wing buildings bodies were everywhere laying in the gutter hanging from the street lights and piled in the fields lit on fire to get under the bed then covered them with the mattress and blankets Pablo and his siblings tried to be quiet any noise could mean death on a ranch in Rio Negro Columbia about thirty five kilometers from medicine he was the third of seven children born to his parents Abell his mother crying and Parang Roberto remembers their father saying they're going to kill us but we can save the kids lost you the smell of burning flesh would stay with Pablo for the rest of his life Roberto later wrote Columbia has always been a country move onto the next house but that's when they heard the flames if they couldn't break in Los Cheuse Marrow's would burn the house for a gruesome bouquet the most notorious is the Colombian necktie where the victim's throat is slit and their tongue is pulled out through the cut stronger today certainly more people would be alive but that night the Colombian army came through Rio Negro offering the topic Tusa Distiller Competitive Wholesale Price then smuggling the liquor to his customers inside a coffin he hired men into carry the coffin through town and women to walk alongside at weeping then he would sell the liquor at a markdown from what the government charged Toca Vieria Pablo's brothers namesake give area made his fortune smuggling a popular Colombian liquor called topic Tusa be a catalyst for change and Pablo wanted to see big changes in Columbia crime was interwoven into the folklore of blows family history so much so that is kingpin journeys seems almost predestined Pablo grew up with the stories of his grandfather Roberto it was distilled by native Colombians but the government applied a heavy tax before it was sold to the Public Gaviria sidestep the government by Oh to fight Los Cheuse marrows and they pulled Pablo's entire family from the burning house the shell-shocked family through what was left of Rio Negro informed on him too authorities but he was released a few days later presumably because he paid someone off this might be the most important lesson though he added just enough of his own tax to rake in a small profit on every sale Gaviria was arrested after a neighbor in on spotify and anywhere you listen to podcasts authorities defined Pablo's to childhood dreams he wanted to be a millionaire and he wanted to be President of Columbia as a young team country he returned to Rio Negro despite the still prevalent danger of La Valencia at first the lights and bustle of the city were eight this ruined the game but none of the other kids ever considered confronting the Palese Pablo was different the next time the police took their ball good for unionization and fair land distribution his assassination led to Laviola Zia which almost killed Pablo's entire Pablo and Roberto's grandmother was a stern industrious woman she organized part of her home into a mini factory to cook and bottle sauces blow one of the smallest among them stepped forward he politely told the policemen that they were tired of the police taking their ball and is she would sell to markets the transformation of her kitchen into an assembly line provided Pablo with a blueprint for his first cocaine manufacturing Pablo told the boys to throw rocks at the patrol car they got a couple of good shots in perhaps too good they cracked the wind cities and define their future careers Roberto wrote we no longer belong to the country Medellin had become our city and shift ball made out of clothes stuffed inside a plastic bag and tied with a rope occasionally local police would confiscate their ball to get them out of the street you play important roles in the median cartel like whore Hayatullah and their cousin Gustavo they played with a maid actually we would know every street every alley the brothers often played soccer in the street with other children some of their playmates would family whether that conspiracy theory was true or not it's undisputed that the US involvement in South America typically serves the US was commonplace in Columbia all the rules were for sale growing up around violence poverty and oppression from corrupt facilities eventually Hilda Joint Pablo and Roberto in Medina their father a bell tried city life but found he preferred the quiet of the offered to pay them to give it back even at his young age Pablo understood the lesson his grandfather's criminal career taught him something that I want to have them on your side when Pablo was eight years old his mother Imelda had had enough of the raids in real name are well-maintained Pablo and Roberto after growing up in the remote countryside but once they settled in median would become baked into Roberto and PABLOS is at the expense of the most poverty stricken Pablo remained a dedicated anti imperialist for the rest of his life vowing to change the society build of one of the patrol cars and then they didn't run away fast enough Roberto Pablo and a few other members of their group were apprehended and brought to the police station the police captain trying to intimidate them threatening to lock them up all of the other children were too afraid to speak but gene Pablo latched onto rumors that US meddling had resulted in the death of whore hey Elliot Sair guy ton a presidential candidate who's agro she sent Pablo when Roberto to live in relative safety with their grandmother Inez Berio in medicine in nineteen fifty eight structure that resulted in the majority of the people living in poverty while a few controlled most of the property and money in nineteen seventy four when Paul blow was twenty four he studied political science at the University Dodd Day Antioquia planning to become a criminal lawyer Bertaud remembers Pablo speaking to crowds whenever they would listen talking about what he planned to do. As President of Columbia quote I'll take ten percent of the earnings of the richest people to help the poor Pablo also pledged to create relationships with more developed countries if he and his own role in it developed early Pablo was forced to drop out of college after only two years he didn't have the me gravitating toward a criminal career college stimulated his intellect but it was all talk crime was all action the money to pay for his tuition but college wasn't the only place he had been getting an education while Pablo was attending university he was already in Thais them to move manufacturing centers to Columbia more jobs would be available to unskilled workers Pablo's ability to see the big picture story Pablo Escobar's childhood was saturated in poverty violence and corruption it paid up next Pablo Escobar leans into a life of crime where he'll learn the skills that built his cocaine empire gathering allies smuggling illegal commodities and of course his favorite tool murder now back to the blow always felt more at home among the street gangs than at school where his teachers often found his passion for Overhauling Their Society Idealistic Seventy four the twenty four year old Pablo needed to find a job and nothing paid like crime as a teenager in the late sixties vity was justified even called for by Colombia's oppressive society acting outside the law was a form of resistance problems in that challenging upbringing primed him for the criminal life when he ran out of money for tuition after only two years of college in Nineteen were fabricated by his enemies other sources claim that Pablo never held a legitimate job or pursued education he simply joined a streak first forays into the crime world are not well documented his brother Roberto claims that many of the stories about Pablo especially early in his career Byu took place in the fall of Nineteen seventy-one when he was only twenty one years old whether it's true or not this story is woven into pob again shortsighted on the street Pablo could put his Robin Hood ideals into practice instead of just arguing about them for Pablo Criminal Act charitable causes like building schools and hospitals hoping to build a reputation as a philanthropist although his upper-crust peers response those legend as a hero to the peasants of Columbia it was the first time he used murder to bring justice to the People Diego Ivorians his family mourned but the poor rejoiced it's not clear whether Pablo actually committed the kidnapping and murder himself was that Pablo needed money to that end one of his earliest alleged criminal ventures was robbing banks Pablo kept his methods acted in praised his charitable efforts the lower class despised him as far as the poor were concerned no philanthropic gesture could make workers even worse diego expanded his landholdings by intimidating local communities and forcing them off their land when hang is a teenager and never looked back the truth is probably somewhere in the middle one of the earliest stories about Pablo's criminal quickly but six weeks passed with no word on his whereabouts then on September nineteenth nineteen seventy-one his body was discovered in bringing justice to the poor whether

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Javier Pea the former DEA agent who helped take down Pablo Escobar

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Javier Pea the former DEA agent who helped take down Pablo Escobar

"Today's interview is also recorded as a video interview. So if you like those go check out Youtube Find Eric Hundley and you will find the Hobby Air Pina interview. Also if you're interested Steve. Murphy is already on Youtube. If you'd like to cheat and get to hear that one early otherwise the second narcos interview with. Steve Murphy will be released later this week but for now I present to you. Havi Air PINNA. My name is Eric Harley and this is unstructured or we have dynamic informal conversations with some amazing people today. I'm fortunate enough. I get the opportunity to interview both of the real. Da Narcos seen in the Netflix series. Narcos I'm going to start off with hobby opinion and later on we'll be joined by Steve Murphy. I'm pretty excited about this. And these guys are just amazing. How are you doing today heavier Gary doing good appreciate it? I really appreciate having you on and I definitely want to if we can obviously talk about Pablo Escobar because you guys are famous for this and you have a book out but there's a whole lot in the book that I believe what you have a thirty eight year career is that correct. That is correct. I did a about Eight with a sheriff's office in Laredo in did about thirty oil did thirty years with the DA and Pablo Escobar. That the whole time he worked. That was what maybe seven years. That is correct. Yeah I get to Columbia. Nineteen eighty eight and obviously He got killed ninety three so I did a good six plus years looking for him. So there's a whole lot of career besides that there is a very a lot of one of the things that I thought was fascinating. Your book that you intern for a minute at Huntsville. Yes that was an experience Texas Department of Corrections in the Collagen turn out of I was at a in kings woods now in a andbranch but the anyway interesting. I learned a lot but my first assignment was working famous death row. Which if people do not know death row is were incarcerated until they get the executed so Got A are executed. Es they are lethal Yeah now what are these people like in general and I I ask this because obviously we have like mind hunter and all this mystique about you know the creepy scary criminal or this normal people who took a really bad turn in a what it to me that I don't know they're not normal. I mean I got to need the while. They call him the candyman. And this guy Holloway poisoned his kids Candy you know to collect insurance on him and I just like how. Kill your kids. 'cause you you wanted to collect the insurance money on They you know when you talk to them. They seem normal. They're there but again in the back of your mind is like how can this guy have killed his kids Met Another guy who was involved in the famous And he's famous. Aaron to San Antonio Texas area name was Fred Goldman's corrupts he's the one who tried to escape from Huntsville with hostages at the librarian appraise the movie made about that Chalkboards and put the hostages on the outside again firefight Guy One guy survived They killed some of the hostages again. This era they're they're mean people when they're behind bars. They seem normal. But on the outside like you said what they've done is something that is just a you know unflappable. I tend to have a lot of guests who read body language and do negotiation and even interrogation. And I wanted to ask you. Because you've been around some Dr Criminals and things like that are there any tells. Are there any way for any tips that this is somebody? You should stay away from or not will eat. And what? When you're interviewing people depends are they had been arrested had. Are they free right now? Where you're trying to establish probable cause you're trying to establish their information it. I'm always looking for that That Dad lied that That it doesn't make sense in. You can catch you know people that are that are lying you can catch you know the the body language. There's a lot of great People out there that are professional in reading body language and I believe in that But with me. And we talk a lot with informants. You know that's that's In a ruin it in four months and the there are a lot of people that are trying to lie to you. There's people that are trying to do. See they can make some money off of you in the you gotta be careful So I won't always once corroborated something from the informant. You know once. I checked it out that he was telling the truth. And you know then you can relate good but like I used to tell people at the embassy in both outgoing after Pablo Escobar out of ten Informers that would come in. It'd be only one or two that were really telling you the truth that were really worth it. There are some mixed loyalties to right. I think you had an informant who helped you take down the top of the Medellin right before Escobar and he actually was also paid by the Cali cartel is correct. You know what Thank you for bringing up that. No one has ever brought that up. You're the first one so it. I thought that was GONNA be a big to do. This is the first time you bring it up. So yes while Thank you for bringing that up yet. It was just a weird situation. We mentioned in the book where he helped us. He's the one who really took down. Will Seguin Salvo Rigas. Gotcha they call him when he. Gano this Pablo Escobar's partner in note for the history with history. Bugs out there Gotcha. We call them. Had more money in public Gotcha was the one who invented the cocaine labs you know. He's the one who body paramilitaries. He's the one who brought in this rally mercenaries you know what I'm saying. He was Richard the next year. He was more violent than pobably at. Yeah Sounds like a villain power. Once he got killed it was at that informant. Who led him to us and HE I. It was The money was not being paid on time. We had like is it gives about a million dollars were paying school with very powerful and the money was coming in. It was GONNA come in. You know how it is the checks in the mail. Hobart other red tape and he just got mad at us. One day. Find Keep your money. That was working for the Cali cartel and it just like. I couldn't believe what you know. And we corroborate. He told us he said. I already been paid by the Cali cartel. Kelly hated. Pablo Pablo tally anyway. So in essence you know I hate to say it you know we all say. We will work in with a rival. The Dark Convicts Group A terrorist organization in bringing down Pablo's oiseaux obviously He did not get paid that task to be a little disconcerting. Because I mean everybody seems to have mixed loyalties. Is that a fair statement. That is a very fair statement. You know who the full rose at are really liked. Were the was out for revenge. Caught by husband cheating on him so screw him. He's been divvied plead that that's a different type of eighty four. But I like those I also wanted to ask because I I feel like it was a shadow going over this. What about FARC was FARC doing this whole time? Weren't they there for fifty years? The Farkas had belonged the civil war. I guess Latin American country. The was there to FARC at the beginning. I'm glad you asked that to the FARC at the beginning was They were guarding the labs. They were guarding cocaine. Labs for traffickers. You know Right now we see a lot in the news with Venezuela right in Venezuela was protecting the far winds will at that time under Chavis was Giving THEM WEAPONS PROTECTING THEM IN VENEZUELA SAFER HAVENS THERE. And you know we bring that up because obviously a couple of weeks ago the US indicted Maduro for drug trafficking and Venezuelan the top leadership of Been involved with the FARC. The FARC was there. They were starting to guard the labs and then later on. If you fast forward you know a ten years. The FARC became drug traffickers When I was there I went back to Colombia late nineties. Now when you talk to people there was like there was no ideology you know the the beginning of the far that Communism ideology towards your. Yeah yeah it was all about making money and drug trafficking kidnapping people? There was ever mixed up with him or is he Strictly in Bolivia and down. Yeah check Evora will see down yet. Bolivia we never He he helped out. Of course he was a part of that family but We we never got to really see him there. Okay so now I have to ask the other end because obviously there's governmental strife and things like that what were the CIA. Doing down there because I know. Cia was really rampant in that area. Yeah we we. There was a lot of people. I I laugh. Because you know what In the show portrays as Not Getting along those very accurate. I'll be through. They didn't like me and I'd like them and and it was all about jealousy type. You know we weren't the drug experts in there. Were the FARC expert. The communists of the experts rafter guerrillas were after narcotics traffickers. It they would Pablo Escobar when we started you know looking for him you know we had some CIA hell but it was more from the technology side but we knew how to go after traffic and they try to come in and tell us what to do. Obviously that did not work so Ada Go back to the series where we hate each other. That is true nowadays. Nowadays we have a great working relationship. Bright take back there and IT WAS. Just you know Ego Jealousy and there's any law enforcement people out there they they know what? I'm talking about the jealousy in a in all of this man so I remember they used to have this. Great intelligence books are but you can't read them 'cause you you know what good is intelligence if you can use right anyway. It's changed nowadays so I'm a yeah we. We got good relationship with them. Well and that was you. Were there. We centrally bridging Reagan through Bush. Right right right yes. I can't help but think about the whole Drugs and arms and Iran and there was some really murky things and I don't know if this is true or not you would probably have better information but the CIA has been accused for helping to shall we say escalate. The crack epidemic in I've seen reports I've seen the the information on especially those Angeles area remember. There's a lot of stuff back there. I I'll be honest. I never got to see any of that. I mean I've heard the rumors but I could not say whether that happened or not. I hope it didn't happen But again you know. Cia was doing allows They don't tell people right And it's They're very secretive Dino they got great technology help out there But I never got to see any of that so okay and Dal after Escobar. Where did you go in? I'm curious about because you can probably help me understand epidemics like I remember. The cocaine for recall was Kinda big in the eighty s and sliding into crack. Heroin seemed to be on the downswing at that point but then nowadays it seems like cocaine is almost passe and crystal meth and heroin and Fenton all is really the demon out there. Can you give me sort of time? Line the drug yet. Oh Oh yes During the Eighties. We started seeing the cocaine. Come into the South Florida area in. He few lived in that area. You know what I tell people In most everybody has seen the movie scarface. Right you've scarface. I've seen Dido area. That was pretty accurate description. It was a little you know a little lower done but that was the basics in in Miami. It was Cowboy you don't Colombians killing Colombians in the Middle Day. The kilo of cocaine. I remember when we when I start. I got Columbia. One thousand nine hundred ninety eight That kilo at one point was going anywhere from eighty to a hundred thousand dollars so by Ami was was being built on cocaine money. You know the the break. All the banking system in the banking system was very lax at that time so Africa were you know. It wasn't a problem. Launder launder the money. So pressure started committed on on on the cocaine right Pablo Escobar eighty percent of it was was his a you know And then you know we started. We had never seen a escobar before so we started seeing. How does it trafficker get his to be this big that empire than we saw obviously the violence the bombing of Commercial Airlines killing presidential candidate? The killing of judges. The killing of police officers have done they. Discriminate car bombs in the car to me are like the worst I had ever seen. I had never seen the car. Bob But then policy was placed in a model or Bota medicine. Anyway so go back to the to the question cocaine was out of control. We try to Put a stop to it we down PABLO ESCOBAR LIMITING CARTEL. The what happened there then. Alison the cartel right to get over North Valley history. Then you're right. I mean heroin was always during the eighties. I remember started in ninety four in Austin Texas in the man. I was buying undercover heroin. You know from Mexico coming in The you know. We started concentrating again than we saw. Remember the prescription drug right now epidemic where we had the rogue doctors rolled pharmacists. The pain Still Right. That's leading into the heroine of now right that people can't get their prescription so they heroin while you're bad you're yeah that's it yeah. They went to the Herald because we started putting pressure Then we had the the methamphetamine crazy. No where we started seeing all this The methamphetamine been manufactured California. We had a lot in Texas than all the states Missouri. You know with the benefit methamphetamine epidemic. And we saw the the meth people. Because I've always talked to the people we arrest for months the addicts F W DAVID. Tell me these VR. He says all I did was one one Hit of method you know. I'M POKED IT A. It was a terrible drug question about that. Is I remember the eighties. There was coke and then there's something called crank is meth crank. Yes yes either what we used to call crank. It is a different Name it was the way you manufactured in Austin Texas. I was buying a lot of crank. It was just a slang for for methamphetamine. Cooking process was different. We have crank is. You're right you're going back. The history hand heard that word in a while but yet crank Nathen it's all sorts of names but then the process to manufacture. It was always getting better different. You know In the first time yet crack was made with two panel with bid to call a p two P which was legal. You could buy the chemical on. You know on a chemical stores So like you said heroin math Prescription drugs going back to heroin than we started You know Seeing the the phantom all right now the Nal in in math laced phantom all fake prescription pills now that eat out. You know how what they tell us. There's if there's only like a grain of like assault of great assault. That's all it takes to kill someone and so it's very dangerous Drug there in kitchens. I guess where officers opened a box and because it the dust hit the area it's killed them literally. Stop right right in just for the shock there. Be careful we you know. There's a lot of examples as we get the with another organization that we help out but it's the fake Fake Sanit Right. That's manufacturing the black market. The relationship with dollars law of examples. Where a neighbor of you know trying to be helpful here. Try this pill and it's within. They bought it from the black market. The other person didn't know about it. You know what I'm saying so it is. Just you know the moral of the story. Is You know rely on your prescription medication from doctors that I'm going to go in and you had a funny story and I believe it was a meth bust. But it was about a tejano singer and you're in the car with them. Could you really that? Because I just thought it was so funny in many different elements including. I hate to say but sort of the trap of celebrity. Yes that's great story and you know what we I. I had the person's name in the book and then our other legal department of the books that are here. Don't put his name. You know for legal advice and is like why the guy went to prison but the I was funny. Man My buddy you dome we It's you know how it is in undercover. We bought a couple of ounces of crank. It was Meth Then we're always going for that bigger bus right. You know So I think he was going to deliver about bought a pound of meth which was big at that time in Austin Texas and We're dealing with a lower wor lower lower scumbag right. So you know. Our purposes tried to get to the bigger guy so The guy says I got I got the we had already been a couple of hours buys and then he's got the. I got the power leaders at this restaurant than me and my partner show up. It's a big lincoln continental you ever had. The tire will remember lubec. The trunks and angle chopped off anyway so The guy were getting the backseat Orders from the Basel. You'd do not trip own. Don't get out of the parking lot Anyway so we get the. I think the guy does put bird. We're going for a ride at our. You know our surveillance is gonNA stop us. Luckily they did stop so. We're in the backseat. That go the pound has been buddy. Hey Alright hey here's the go back to the parking lot. We have our money. It's right next to my car so we're driving back in In in the back seat had a whole bunch of CD's just thrown all over the place and this guy was pretty famous. You know and So once we once we park obviously you know we. We arrested Inam like looking at the CDs. Once we have says man years such and such but I listened to your music view the he he sort of laugh. So Hey can you autograph it? He has got to see for me. But you don't want nice guy but you know and I think he ended up doing about four years in prison but the the our publisher are entered. Didn't want to put it in his name. He's an older to Hanno. But in your to handle fan you would know who the guy is. I just love that though and the Still getting a signature out there. You cited a CD. He he worked really hard to get that celebrity. And but that makes me really want to ask you. You may hate the question. I'm not sure but war on drugs. It's about to turn or. Da is going to be turning fifty pretty soon. Is this a pyrrhic victory? I mean is the war actually being one. Nah You know what it is not and I'm GonNa let my partner. Steve Got Hold. Ask You about that. Yeah the war on drugs like I said. It's it's a misnomer as we know e- gotTa go after the traffickers. I'm always you know I mean those guys and you know where it would when I hate it when I was starting to work with the you don't hit. I hated that that rich guy. That didn't work that we all know what we're talking about traffic. We all know somebody living that lifestyle it. I'm like. Hey here at work to make ends meet right back livid and you see this rich guy that he does God his wealth by by illegal type a means anyway the moral story. You've got to go after them but it's not working. We need to get better. You know what I always liked. The education type program starting off with the kids at school to tell them they. You know this stuff is is hurting. People is killing people beyond with with the kids to get better with that. He don't want in remember. You should remember the dare program remember that. No you know I I do too People loved the dare program. I talked to people's that. Yeah I went to school. I used to love my dare class you know. And then Certain administration came in and Cut The funding. So there are there but it's a at more of a private funding now. I don't know it. We need more education drug traffickers. The war on drugs are gonNA continue songs. There's money to be made looked at right down. The you know what we're going through with with the virus right. They're still thinking they just caught that. Tunnel that tunnel in San Diego to three thousand pounds of of COQ They don't care who dies. Who gets killed as long as there's money to be made you know we're the ones that are using the dope We need to get better if somebody had a solution in. I'm not into the legalisation. Any in we bring up you know marijuana and you know Steve Failings different than mine. You know we were never going after the marijuana user. Everything's who cares you? I tell people you got them smoking. You know There's people out there that are. We don't have a problem with that. The problem I have with marijuana right now is the THC hydroponics. And I work San Francisco. I was at the height of all that experimentation of the grow houses and all the chemicals. So you know you talk to people the THC you're GonNa see about twenty twenty five percent it the what makes height your mom and dad's we'd any ads when we're in high school was what one or two percent remember ahead of me on. Everybody knows this week. Eight hundred like. Oh Wow. That's bills terrible. But Dow you have a young kids smoking join in man they are out of control. You know It's it's that stuff that makes it but anyway Getting away from that like I said we were never after the marijuana users of this eighth got them. Smoke them But just be careful with what you're doing and then that synthetic stuff hit the streets. Remember the Scooby Doo packages. The colorful packages was dedic marijuana. That was even one. You must be sold kids. Were buying 'em supposed to be for legal. It was legal But IT WAS BARLEY INDIANA. They Mix Chemical Brigand from China. They mix it in cement mixers and then the stores would sell them. Lot of kits died with that one because of the concentration in one package deal package just in a mess but anyway so bottom line is we need to get better with our education system in a dealing with drugs. It's going to be out there you know. Us is the biggest user of all right Columbus used to tell we got the producers but the author of the weather using all this stuff so anyway and Columbus. What it was though right. I mean I thought that really the big problem spot has been shifted to Mexico in the Colombians. Cleaned up quite a bit am. I did a good job in cleaning going after traffickers now Mexico. That's a different subject. Mexico is out of control There's no You know we saw the arrest of chapel right. The extradition what happens other traffickers took his place than the violence that is going on in Mexico. A lot of it has been reported. The shootout it's just it's a mess. The intimidation the problem with Mexico is corruption. You know they get to everybody out there and Then all of a sudden is just everybody's taking money Attorney away and if you don't take the money then you get killed so I mean how how do you. I mean you got to combat this but you also see that other side of the coin silver len right all Escobar. You're there wow. That's a good thought bubble to wrap things up. I'm curious because I feel like you had a lot of praise for your original chief and Columbia. Who was Joe Toft Right? Was He kind of a template for your leadership later on as your career went. Yeah Eric How you're you're hitting the park good today. Ha Yeah nobody brings him up but yes he was a template he was. I learned a lot from him in being a good leader. He was tough. He was straight he. He expected you to work but did he had that compassion side about him. Which that's what you look for in a leader. That's what you're You follow it boss. He was out there He was helping you in. He was pushing you in. He was there supporting you so We have we have a lot of accolades. Glad you brought him up but he deserves a lot helped us out and I don't I think if it wasn't for him we wouldn't have been able to do our art our jobs because he was so like said you had that leadership that he Waldman Quality about it when the very last question. I'm guessing that you don't WanNa be served any watermelon. Johar eight WATERVILLE. It's a good good food but I worked Water battlefields started. I think about fifteen years old in south Texas at man talking about the sun specially soft taxes over one hundred degrees and rattlesnakes. I hate roused aches to pick up another to throw onto the truck. You'll be a rattlesnake underneath. Oh Yeah thank you. I do not eat watermelons book. They leave me but I have something that just triggers in my mind of all that hard work. I did picking watermelons. Yeah my father could not eat watermelons. He picked watermelons as a child in California gorged. So much of it going up that he literally could not keep it down. It was almost an allergy. So when I read that I could relate so because you're right it is yeah it is over time. You're hungry thirsty Crack Open water. Build eat it. Yeah but yeah I it just what I see what it just something. Triggers remember is related to that obvious. Thank you so much for coming on. It's been into like we appreciate it. Thanks for the colonists. Wasn't heavier fantastic. I really appreciate having the opportunity to speak to such legends. As Heavy Opinion Steve Murphy and there are other great folks coming on down the line. Now if you don't know already I also have a live stream on youtube where previous unstructured guests will come on. You have an opportunity to speak to them there. Several live streams already up there with the likes of Chase Hughes Mark Bodin Scott Rouse Sheila. Why sake the great private investigator? Dana Ridenour of the FBI. All kinds of folks are up there plus their video interviews. I hope you get a chance to check it out. Please subscribe you can seem more now. I also wanted to give a shoutout to a couple of great podcasters and people. I consider friends mind. And these are Allen of the open Mike podcast and Tyson Franklin of. It's no secret. These guys have a really good shows and if you get an opportunity go look them up and check them out. Thanks again for listening and I'll see you in the future.

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10th Anniversary: 'The Two Escobars' Revisited

30 For 30 Podcasts

25:36 min | 1 year ago

10th Anniversary: 'The Two Escobars' Revisited

"Thirty for thirty podcasts is brought to you by delta. Airlines delta flies to three hundred cities around the world. That's three hundred cities where everyone does the same the things you do. That's three hundred cities where the people in those three hundred cities think. They're the only ones who know about that. One place three hundred cities where people miss someone in one of the other two hundred ninety nine cities three hundred cities where people sing in the car in the shower or both poorly delta isn't flying to three hundred cities is merely to bring us together but to show us. We're not that far apart in the first place delta climbing hello and welcome to the thirty for thirty podcast. My name is jody arrogant. Our special summer series is back marking the tenth anniversary of the thirty for thirty film series. We're going to do five more episodes all leading to a big announcement of our next season of audio documentaries. Were very excited about that but now let's focus on this anniversary series. We've been having lots of fun so we're going to get into it today with talk about one of my personal favorites a film that definitely comes up when you ask anyone about the most memorable thirty for thirty's. It's the the story of two men one of drug lord the other iconic athletes and the sport they both loved and columbia soccer was a religious that was sacred trail. The two escobar's follows the intersecting lives of pablo and undress about who were not related but did come from the same sitting. Eh there on the rest became soccer star who would one day be the captain of colombia's national soccer team and pablo pablo escobar needs little introduction as the head of the medellin cartel his cocaine empire made him one of the world's most notorious criminals and also one of its richest men pablo and his fellow norcal billionaires funneled loads of money into columbia soccer teams in the late eighties and early nineties all while the effects of the drug trade cast a dark shadow over the country fear is a a very powerful motivator people knock on your door and say a lot though eib luma you wanna take the silver a you want to take the lead every time you take the silver by risk while i was more powerful because he was more bloody but going into the nineteen ninety four world cup players here's like chris saw the tournament as a chance to proudly represent their country and they were really good team but it all came crashing down with a devastating two to one loss to the united added states columbia defender andres escobar accidently kicked the ball into his own net columbia. One of the favorites going in was limited in the first round. The team returned tragically. Invest verse escobar was shot and killed back in columbia just ten days after that own-goal sources allege. His murder was an act of retribution as drug lords. The guy owned brothers faced faced heavy gambling losses after that columbia defeat pablo escobar continue to leave a big impact on their country even twenty five years after their deaths to talk about the film. We've invited director jeff and mike zimbalist zimbalist brothers to chat welcome to the thirty for thirty podcast. Thank you for doing this. As part of our anniversary series. Thanks for errands on our pleasure. Look i'll tell you i give myself a quota of asking about the title of something. Maybe like once or twice a year questions about titles but i will ask about this one. Was there ever a chance that the story was going to be called anything other than the two escobar's when you're two main characters have the same last name. We actually didn't know it was a dual protagonist film home at first we i think we hoped that there was going to be enough. Connective tissue between the two escobar's on race and pablo but more so in the in the initial stages this was an investigation into a look into the circumstances around the murder of andreas escobar and we knew at the time that you couldn't really understand <hes> an incident that horrific without understanding how a society or culture would allow for an athlete to be murdered based on mistake that he made on a playing field so inherent to the to the premise was that we're going to have to look at the society of columbia at the time i'm in order to understand the culture and society at that time you had to understand this phenomena of narco footballer narcos soccer <hes> which is the <hes> serve serve adulterous marriage of cocaine billionaires and drug traffickers on the one hand and the teams that they loved on the other and in order to understand narko culture darko football you you had to understand the impact that pablo escobar had at the time so pablo and the narcos era really dropped a bomb both proverbial l. end literal on the society escobar was agreement machine. I mean he was able to do things that when the from today's perspective are and think of while the bombs went off at the government conquered seventy five hundred any cartel on al believed responsible for over five thousand deaths in columbia including airline today killing all don't be neighborhood passengers aboard. It's agung bin laden those times you were reporting this out <hes> almost twenty years after the story but was still hard to get people to talk about this given the subject matter yeah we were down on living meeting aimed for i think the better part of a year before we actually started filming <hes> and <hes> part of that was just because we wanted to dig in and get roots and start to do some journalism about the story <hes> part of it was you know starting to form some relationships with some of the key figures in the film and sort of establish trust and talk a little bit about what we were hoping to do so that was a really helpful part of the process yeah the there's deep wounds wins in the society in deep divisions either your <hes> in the camp of being a beneficiary of pablo's generosity the the working working class or the <hes> the working poor as it were who got schools and health insurance and soccer fields or you had lost family family members to <hes> acts of violence that were initiated by pablo and <hes> were terrorized during that time period so it was a very divided did <hes> society even decades later when we were there and a lot of those wounds and a lot of that trauma hadn't been discussed because it wasn't safe to due to discuss it. You never know who you're talking to and what side of that divide they were on and so <hes> lotta the emotion was fresh and there was a lot of fear with our interviewees as when we sat down with them <hes> we shot thirty seven interviews we only ended up using around fifteen of those in the film a lot of the decisions we made not to use interviews was to you make sure that we weren't incriminating or <hes> in any way affecting the safety of interviewee that wouldn't have been the safest thing to reveal you do include included an interview with one of pablo's hitmen who says that he's killed two hundred fifty people. He admits that on tape cooler chemical-free amount of his heck with our i a._s._u. Nobody does but only a sociopath keeps county only sociopathic psychopath he set the cycle understood co-pathetic la quinta so why include that information and leave some other information out in his case <hes> john hydro bill aska's bascus is you you know is imprisoned for his role in the medium cartel and so you know it was something that he was able to speak about <hes> in other cases there there were <hes> whether it was crimes or jeff said just anything that would really jeopardize the safety of one of the subjects or crew for that matter because you know for all intents and purposes <hes> jeff and i were not likely to be the targets of any type of retributive action from the film it would be the subjects it would be the crew. That's living in columbia <hes> so the concern was really is there anything that is either incriminating <hes> which has already been processed and hurting the court of law <hes> or jeopardizing the safety of somebody <hes> and part of what we were trying to do with the film was <hes> changed the perception of columbia during those years it was very superficial tarnished image that the not only united states but the rest of the world <hes> saw columbia through this lens of you know hotbed of violence and just these rogue lawless barbarians and of course the the vast majority of the population are peace loving thing <hes> hardworking people with with universal desires that are easily relatable across the world and sweden r. position to create <hes> take sides and that it was much more important <hes> that we offer persuasive access to everybody in the story and to their psychology and their emotional motivations and then let the audience <hes> get involved in that tug o war well. I mean you see that tug of war and that that psychology even within the colombian team itself when they're competing in the world cup in the u._s. They talk very openly about wanting to be a source of pride and hope for the country and be embassador of the country to change the perception of the country so can became natural cry aw there is no greater honor than wearing the national colors to not getting into america it when dirty so much blades you need to sell people hope but at the same meantime you can't really ignore the fact that there was corruption and drug money sir through and through and colombian soccer so like what did you learn and how can you characterize the sort of corruption corruption in latin america and its connection to soccer throughout the seventies and eighties into the nineties you know soccer in particular to the the story of colombian those years and then you can find this in other parts of the world today. <hes> it also was a great vehicle for money laundering. You had the possibility of an particularly in a stadium where uh-huh chen's actions are cash transactions. If you take in a million dollars cash but declare you took in two million dollars cash at that game name you've just successfully launched a million dollars in the same can be done with player trades and so forth so it has certain advantages in the world of criminality <hes> but moreover it's also the most loved sport in the world in that is an exclusive to people on one side of the law and so you we have a lot of people like in the case of pablo escobar and then the rodriguez orejuela brothers and they all had their teams during this era of narko football where <hes> it wasn't just about money laundering. It was also a way of squaring off against their rivals. A point of pride that can only be had arena like a little guy has a car with a remote control that was there on the money they spent that was betty cash and in the drug enforcement administration we tracked traffickers all over the world to soccer championships but we were the only people that were connecting the dot's everybody else is too caught up winning to notice you get your toy right but then you want you to be the best and so with pablo escobar himself i mean there's times when you get the sense that people talk about you know he would buy teams or support teams because he thought of them as sort of vanity project within there was other times when he was really kind of doing hearts and minds kind of thing and building <hes> stadiums but then of course you know oh he would turn around at any moment in order to kill another player. Just go out with kiel anybody to win so curbing. Where do you ultimately stand on. What roll soccer played for bob lasker himself so we never goes out saying we never interviewed pablo escobar and everything that that i'm i'm about to say is built upon the research and the reporting that we did <hes> the conversations we had with others but you know the argument that pablo <hes> used soccer as a play thing or as a as a hobby <hes> you know that one holds a lot of weight and a lot of people would agree with that. There's also a more psychological lens to see this through where pablo was deeply wounded by the neglect in the discrimination that he experienced growing up poor poor in columbia and that his deeper motivation is sort of internal <hes> over the course of his life and it just strengthened <hes> the more he got pushback. Push back from the state was to create an alternative society was to create the world that that he wished columbia was and essentially by by offering health insurance appearance and schools and food and soccer fields to the the working poor of columbia he was saying this is a second state. This is the way i would do things he owns interesting this question because it's it's really kind of up for interpretation and you'll find people that will have different answers about pablo in different parts of his his life all over and i think there were elements of his fight with the war with the state that had a lot to do with this alternate universe sychev is talking about but i think it could it equally be seen as motivated by political campaign for him to get on the house of representatives which he succeeded in doing and i think quite honestly my personal opinion union is that for him soccer was <hes> the two things we talked about vanity project and a vehicle for money laundering and a sport that frankly <hes> well he loved after the break will consider or why pablo escobar has remained such an enduring cultural figure thirty for thirty podcasts are brought to you by state farm these days everyone is busy and may not know where to start when it comes to insurance state farm has over nineteen thousand agents across the country who are here to help life go right. 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'cause you know we're we're now living in a moment of narcos and a lot of stuff about pablo escobar and i will say that i think you had a role in first introducing an american audience or certainly in the mechanize of a certain generation relation to that and so why do you think he continues to be such an enduring cultural figure. Well you know it's it's it's sort of like asking why al capone continues to be enduring and <hes>. I think there's a scarface even though he wasn't a real person you know and it's kind of interesting like in the cases remember reading about <hes> you know the filmmakers intention to sort of have a message that says don't you know crime doesn't pay don't go down this throat and then of course scarface has become sort of the celebrated icon of criminality throughout the world <hes> and that's something that we really grappled with when we set out to make the two escobar's because more than any <hes> culture we've encountered in columbia having lived through the eighties nineties and pablos war <hes> you know it's hard to be a colombian even today <hes> yes in space the other day in somebody said oh <hes> from columbia and somebody else cocaine and somebody yelled out publico bar you you know in those are just the tags scarlet letters as it were. They get thrown on colombians worldwide and it's actually quite painful. <hes> you know to to have have that be the first thing that people identify <hes> and so when we sort of were down in columbia and starring to look into this story that really affected us because <hes> having worked in columbia even prior to the two escobar's we really feel a kinship with the culture there and didn't wanna <hes> propagate in you know a negative image image and so is a big part of our journey was how do we get away from that <hes> and bring to light what has been our experience of colombian culture yeah yeah and i mean sort of thing to think about we watching this film that when you're when you have these two characters who are obviously tied together but also just need to be sort of compelling compelling characters and one of them is pablo escobar dislike massively compelling interesting character but on this kind of holds what's his own just as a as a compelling person i mean he is so beloved. He's so yeah. He played his own kind of role in the popular culture. He wasn't just you don't random player x. I don't know when you started to realize that but like oh we have two great characters to to counterbalance and we've actually found someone one who can set serve as a counterbalance to someone as dynamic as pablo. I mean that's just a credit to the actual <hes> story what really happened to this day i mean you'll see <hes> you know posters and flags graffiti of andres escobar. He was the captain of the national team he was his nickname was okabe. Jeter they like the gentlemen of the field and he was really kinda held up as the poster boy of everything that pablo wasn't can at the same time he's getting getting called to visit pablo escobar in the lead up to the ninety four world cup so man talk about internal conflict. I think that the to add into it. Mike saying that there's a moral complexity immoral gray area with both of them that that as a viewer we can identify with andres his case he's gotta turn a blind eye to the very thing that's behind the ruin of his people and his culture <hes> in order to pursue this greater goal right to serve sacrifice the means in order to achieve a greater end <hes> an impossible those case <hes>. There's a boldness that that we wanna root for in fighting in for the underdog and yet it's in the context of him by many accounts being responsible for over five thousand five hundred homicides homicides <hes> so <hes> in in both cases i think internally there the as characters they're choosing between two very difficult coulter options neither of which is black or white neither of which is clearly right or wrong and <hes> hopefully that makes them compelling <hes> regardless of whether other pablo created massive spectacles at a scale that andres never could reach i can i can offer one more thought about andreessen pablo that you know one of them. One of the things that i think is very interesting about the comparison of the two escobar's that we don't we don't really we don't have space to explore in the film. Is that andres came. I'm from an upper class. Family pablo was of course born in the lower class and <hes> andreessen family would would probably correctly be characterized characterizes belonging to what's called that rosca or <hes> which is a actually a pastry that sort of like a dunkin donuts munchkin. It's the inside of a donut and and used figuratively in columbia to mean the inner circle <hes> the fact that you had these two guys that grew up on opposite sides of the proverbial train train tracks in the same city with the same last name <hes> and you even in their deaths <hes> so much can be said about the future direction of the country and there's a number of people who <hes> in the film and outside of it who really believe that without you know andrea escobar's death <hes> the changes that we saw happen in the last <hes> you know what is it <hes> twenty-five years <hes> wouldn't have happened that that it was sort of the the ground shaking event that needed to happen in order to take down the whole edifice and then have the phoenix rise from the ashes. It was it three three a._m. Twenty-seven-year-old andre escobar got into his car. He was surrounded hidden shot and killed allegedly. One of the assailants yelled. Thanks for the thoroughly saturday morning at the drug traffickers may do march bets on the colombian team in may have killed escobar out of the search for two suspects. We should make it clear that pablo bob blow had was dead by the time that addresses gobert was was murdered. <hes> is there still controversy at all about kind of the details of investments goulart murder. Has there been any further information. <hes> since you guys you know tried to report this out or nine years ago interestingly enough so right when we we were leaving <hes> columbia to sort of entered post production which we did up here in the states <hes> we got news that <hes> <hes> one of the guy john brothers who were really kind of pointed at by number of subjects in the film as the ultimate <hes> sort of orders behind and the shooting of andrea escobar that fateful night midein it was their driver who pulled the trigger and serve time <hes> but <hes> the accusation he's asian is that the brothers had given the order and one of them was actually arrested during the time that <hes> we were filming <hes> and then <hes> extradite yesterday the united states a few months later whether or not that had to do with the fact that we were making the film we'll never know <hes> and then just last year in two thousand eighteen <hes> another one of the brothers was arrested and extradited to the united states and there was <hes> a number of articles in columbia via. They came out pointing to his role in the murder of andres escobar inciting the film and of course from a filmmaking perspective. You hope that perhaps you could have played some small part in in some justice their volume. You know what's protein media race scholley jeff and mike zimbalist are the directors of the two escobar's they also directed the youngstown boys and in general have done a ton of great sports stocks music dachshund lots more look them up on i._m._d._b. Watch everything they've done that. You haven't already seen but if you wanna watch to escobar's the place to do that as on our streaming service service e._s._p._n. Plus you can subscribe through the e._s._p._n. App it's cheap. It's worth it. Get on it tomorrow. In our anniversary series chris herren who has done to film film projects looking at his troubled life and the lessons that can be learned from it. I remember getting called to assemblies like this to listen to some thirty five year old man talk to me about substance abuse and i remember saying to myself. Why am i here. I'll never be that guy. Chris is a really remarkable person. I was honored. I get a chance to talk with him so take a listen when that shows up in your feed thanks for listening. My name is jody. Avirgan will be back soon with more thirty for thirty mm-hmm uh.

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141  The Real DEA Narcos Javier Pea & Steve Murphy Part 1

Christopher Lochhead Follow Your Different™

1:00:35 hr | 5 months ago

141 The Real DEA Narcos Javier Pea & Steve Murphy Part 1

"Thanks for pressing play. This is Christopher lockhead. Follow your different and we are an award-winning chart-topping podcast for people who value real different dialogues. In on this part one of our super special series with the real. Da Narcos Steve Murphy and heavy opinion. These are American heroes who partnered with Colombian law enforcement to take down Pablo Escobar. The world's first narcoterrorists and their story is the basis for the Netflix series. Narcos and as you know it's become one of the top. Most popular shows ever on Netflix. And if you're a fan of the show this episodes going to knock you over and even if you're not you're going to love it because heavy air and Merv take us behind the scenes on how they worked together for about six years not just to Get Escobar himself but really to dismantle his gang and put him in a radically weakened position and ultimately bring him to justice. You'll learn what it feels like to have a three hundred thousand dollar bounty on your head. How they work together With multiple law enforcement agencies and dealt with the emotional ups and downs of this long often lonely and of course extraordinarily dangerous mission and how Murph and heavier had to bend and in some cases break the rules to make sure that this happen and why they think the courage of the Colombian people and their partners in Columbia law enforcement are the real heroes here and you're also going to hear in their voices the powerful bond of friendship that was developed between the two of them having spent a couple of days with them. Here they flew out to Santa Cruz to be with me which was awesome. Thank you guys. I got to got to know them and got to see their special bond. Now this is part one in part to you'll hear the traumatic conclusion of how they ultimately Escobar to justice and then in addition we dig into their life and leadership lessons. 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Technology companies in history because spunk brings data to every question every decision and every action visit spunk dot com slash. D To e to learn how to turn data into doing that's spunk dot com slash. D To e as in data to everything. I also want to thank my buddy Morgan right. He's a law enforcement and security expert. He's been a multi time guest on this podcast and he was instrumental in setting up my time with Javier and with Murph. Thanks thanks Morgan. I deeply appreciate it all right now. Hey Ho let's go having us out here. We appreciate it looking forward. Not just on the phone but in your studio. I know so so mazing to have you guys here than in your home. You got a beautiful home. Thank you lovely wife. Yes. I'm definitely blessed very very blessed to the good Lord. I must have done something right in a prior life. This is exciting to be an actor though. Well I'm glad that I'm still you know the weather worked out. And it's winter on the east coast way winner right. Yeah it's not so wintry here right now. It's very nice yeah. I'm glad we had an opportunity to break some bread together. Not Yes I think. We could probably help you out along the way here. Are I need as much help as I get accelerate around versa versa? So I mean what? What an incredible life that you guys have led and let me just say off the top. You know I'm a huge fan and I really WanNa thank you for your service and commitment not only to our country to to Columbia but really as Corny as it might sound. I think you guys are treasures to humanity. Thank you for saying that. So he's appreciate it again called a lot of names and that's not usually one of them. Well I think you guys. Are you know absolute heroes in real treasures? I'm so excited to have this time. We are to where we're excited to be here. So why don't we get right to it? Tell me about PABLO ESCOBAR IN K. You know Pablo Escobar. We had heard of his name but we really didn't know much about him. You know until we get to Colombian I get their nineteen ninety eight. He was serving in the in the Mid Eighties. The low eighties. But no one really knew much about him and They news trafficker but once we started actually going after him we notice that public bar was Had his own empire built on a terrorism Pablo. Escobar was one of the richest traffickers in the world and he built his empire on terrorism on violence. And it's something we had never seen before so this is why we weren't really ready when we started going after esque Barcus. We had never seen this type of tactics before leaving by weren't ready. Like what were you expecting? And what you find. I mean I you know I mean I came in from Austin Texas special agent there for four years at the time I was. What twenty eight years old in? I was working street stuff Street buys undercover surveillance. This what a normal agent does. When he's learning the job. I was learning. I call it from the street. The sense of the word in other words buying ounces a going after heroin dealer. You know But low level type trafficker in Boston at this time in mid eighties. I mean it's a great town. I mean the music industry was in full blast. I mean I was GonNa go our worst seeing George Strait play for free. Believe it or not it was. The the industry was the music industry in a college town. You know Texas You're young guy guys singles house any bars. I do it all you know in you know Hispanic Mexican of a Grew up in the border so I was doing a lot of undercover work but a smaller level then after four years with. Da You can put into go to a foreign assignment and putting for Mexico and my bosses heavier did you put in for Columbia Columbia. It basically steak sir. Superiors didn't know the difference between Mexico and somebody so I do not know even where Columbia so you wanNA fight it as it now go to Columbia to go look in the map as it were Columbia but anyway so I always want to see the other side of the trafficker the the major leaguge like we call it the major legal traffic and so I said you know what Columbia learned. You know how the top people already know how the bottom people weren't the street people so that was one of my Incentives of of going to Colombian again getting back to Pablo Escobar. Once we started actually interrupted. But did you go down there for him? You know that's of another misnomer. I went to Columbia and basically I was a couple of months before my boss. Dab NAMED JOE. Talk to the boss. Said Hey how are you going to be assigned the Medellin cartel the Pablo Escobar investigation? So I said okay. let me go look at how the case files. I did not know much about esquire at hurt his name but not really that much. You didn't know what you're getting. Down of course not did not know. What else is it safe to say? At that time he'd be considered the number one terrorist. Neural we did not know that you did not know that we did not know that. Not until like sit in the mid in the late eighties and we got there just in the heart of it is when he actually declared war on Columbia in war. We did see you know like we will not use two car bombs famous car bombs that killed a lot of innocent people. I heard this right of. I heard like as many as fifty car bombs a day. At a certain point we will counting. I mean there was a lot of car bombs basically we would come about ten or fifteen on a daily basis. Couple of days it'd be forty to fifty But he was put in a match shopping centers at Registering random people at random terrorism. Yes he wanted to kill as many innocent people as it could because this was his fight against Colombian in we try to explain it in in that he challenged his country and actually read and we like to say that he actually won when he and we'll talk about this later when he self surrendered but into the conditions that he had a request which the government allowed him to do it so the terrorism was new to us. Like the the car-bomb Assassinations the bounties on police officers killing of presidential candidate. Abominable Commercial Airline. I mean I go on and on but this is why we call populist while the inventor of Narko terrorists yeah we had never seen this type of war before am I remembering right. That he had bounties on the heads of police officers and public officials wipers at is one of the most pathetic things we had ever seen boundaries. You're correct he had bounties but I like to say a bounty on a human being a police officer and you know how much she was paying. I even hate mention the amount one hundred dollars ahead for the killing of any police officer killed thousands of police officers for the boundaries of one hundred dollars ahead. I arrested one of those. Chicago's fifteen-year-olds Hikari. I never will forget years old. In years old he was at a club. The informant Commie. Lot of cops were not. It was on Saturday night. Were not there so as the former only wanted to tell me where he was so I had to go meeting for Manila's like at a bar so when we arrested him we bought him back to the base. Obviously he fought at the Dassler. Forget pulled out a gun but this time I backup showed up so we do him. We took him back and he was one of the we knew him he was a deadly. Chicago for Pablo Escobar and When we took him back to the bay fifty years old fifteen years old one of the most incredible interviews incredible confessions that I had ever heard. He says you know what and he told us. He's done fifteen years old but I've already killed ten police officers hundred dollars ahead is this. I will die and I will kill for public lar- why is giving me money? I was able to take my family out of poverty. My mom has shelter has food I can you know afford to feed her. She's happy in then he says you know what my life expectancy. I'll be dead by twenty one twenty two years old so my life belongs to Pablo Escobar. And I've already killed ten police officers he says I shoot 'em behind when they're walking the beat though behind him shoot him back with their head at the end of the day. I go collect if I killed three police officers. Get three hundred dollars. That was at mentality. Which again is we. Were not used to that type of mentality. I mean nobody is used to that type so this was a different type of war in going after a criminal in going after terrorist narcotrafficker. Because we were not used to this. We had never seen it. We how do you fight someone any of this nature that is killing innocent people I know this might make be sound naive. But how can people be? Trained like that to devalue human life like that what circumstance do you need to be in where doing that as a fifteen year old seems like the right thing or a good thing or the smart thing like what is it? That convinces a fifteen year old to do that. You know different parts of the world you know. It's they're not raised like we are here in the United States. We we as Americans. We a high value on human life. Law-abiding citizens do the criminals. Don't it surprised me when I went down to part with heavier that We had a bunch of police officers. Were killed that. Were Friends of ours. We went to the funeral home. The police have their own funeral. Home down there they have so many deaths and it was an I'm in. I'm watching the Columbia police officers and they were. They were almost the ethical and crying and wailing and You know getting down the casket and hugging the casket and and you know in our culture here in the United States. It's not like that in law enforcement typically right but then afterwards we die we all go out to little bar and and you know what we would do in the US as we would be toast. The person that was killed and reminisce maybe tell stories. We sat down and I told Sergeant. Hey this I'm really sorry for the loss of your friends here. And there and his response was CAIPIRINHA. And that's like a it's over. What's done is done. And they were done with it. They moved on. They were over that quick the same evening where one hour earlier they were just crying their eyes out and really I mean just your heart breaks for them an hour later. Were sitting having a beer in like in nothing happened. It is it because death and murder was just so much a part of the culture or what. What was it that people were like? There was a lot of kill us at that. Were going on. It was just a way of life. I hate to say it. It's it was a way of life like Steve said that killed them. They buried him of course family suffering but then life goes on because there's another operation there are some more. Chicago's there's another terrorism. Act that is going on so you have to adapt you have to adjust in in the search would keep on going on. Of course you're hurting. But the world goes on because They're still Pablo Escobar will still killing a lot of other people. What was the sort of the reason for the mission when you originally hover went down there? Why is the American government sending DA special agents into foreign country to deal with a foreign terrorist at a great question? And I'm glad you brought it up. A lot of people think we just went there on her own and said Hey. We're going to be here now we DA. We have offices in probably all over the world right now. We have A and we do a lot of lays on we do training and the main thing is we doing teleconference exchange intelligence sharing so win. Pablo Escobar. I like you said got on the on the Ray on the radar when he started killing people when You know there was a famous general in Columbia Tabula Sylvan. I call them. The architect. Never got the credit that he deserved. That's why I bring him up. He's the one who had that foresight who at that leadership quality in him and said that you know what Pablo Juarez Outta control. We need to establish sort of an hate to use the word task force because it really wasn't a task force but it was a Basically what the Colombian government said. We're going to go after one person and we'll put it in all our assets in our only mention is to capture in or kill Pablo Escobar So it was at a situation where the Colombian government actually asked help from the United States. You have you there at their invitation to help after Pablo Escobar escape. Steve's already You know came in from Miami and Are the Colombian government in. I'm not sure if it was a president or it was the general recall our bosses at one. Aaron Steve There 'cause we were working PABLO ESCOBAR. Before we knew him in the the cops had picked so we. Because you didn't Columbia for a while at that point right right so they ask for us by name in our boss on nurse's aid Pablo Escobar and. We heard the news at night when they tried to go and get him out of his so-called Bring him to a real prison bow tie. That's when the famous firefighters when the famous escape happened so Stephen. I arrived the very next day at the so-called prison but we were invited by the Colombian government's by the Kalim. They felt like they couldn't handle him on their own sacred handling but they needed help. The we had and we have offices all over the world and at that time we had a lot of informants in the United States. We had a lot of people that will working for Pablo Escobar so in. Da Did something that was really never done before they categorized it was called. It was a basically a Tko program in that the US Office had to go after anybody that was working for public while in the states which was a great help for us so our offices especially the Florida offices or concentrating on Pablo Escobar associates. A lot of information was bringing. It was coming in from Miami because those guys would saying when you call them. Yeah they'd say hey I know we're escobar is or I know where his WANNA so we're getting great information? What better way Stephen I being there on site with a Colombian police that was a specialized unit called the worst search block that we were there on a timely basis. Hey guys there's an associate working for Pablo Escobar Tame here's this number then the task I mean the the search blog would do an operation heavier. Steve We defined this ledger man. I remember one of the first ledgers. It was all the Miami people pilots were had in. Miami's cell numbers phone numbers locations so it was a gold mine so it was so so coordinated entries. Were doing at the same time I you know I was. This was being done more nowadays. It's been done but back then. We had more of a purpose. We had more of a mission helping each other out. Which is I like to say. That's what really helped us in bringing down Escobar towards the end is to this no shave before with some kind of a covert operation or a CIA cloak and dagger thing. I mean you were there. Working shoulder to shoulder with the Colombians. This was overt. It was it was completely out in the open. There were no secrets you know. I mean we're doing wiretaps we've been climbing. National are doing wiretaps on Pablo and his henchmen phones. When you hear reference to two gringos that's Tavener Murphy? And you hear him say the names Pinon Murphy and guys go bar. You could hear that in. The conversation has voices. You know you think of this evil person you think he's got this blow booming commanding voice and you listen to him on the radio. It's it's this. High pitched squeaky voice at just kinda comical to be honest with you is a little bit like Mike Tyson. Our I don't mean any disrespect but the first time you here Mike Tyson talk. You're like what is it a little bit like that very very somber. But you know we joke about it. When we're doing our shows on stage we joke about it that you know this is not like that. Tv show cheers where everybody knows your name. This is not somebody you want to know your name so that was not a comfortable feeling at all and at that point once he knew who you were new you by name was the bounty on your heads at that point well though it was before that but You know to be fair. It was on every. Dha It just so happened that hobby and our the the two guys assigned work in Medellin. So this is the late eighty. Eat right this was early nineties. Ninety one one so June of ninety one when he escaped or when he surrendered to his prison and he had three hundred thousand dollars on the head for any the agent or you guys specifically or it was for every. Da It wasn't yeah. Yeah we like since we were on the base in the base. The search lock was located at an old police Columbia National Police Training Barracks so it was in the middle of neighborhood in the neighborhood. People all new loose and at nighttime there was one little bar call Person you know to get away from the said just go relieve your mind would go to slow bar have a couple of burgers couple. Bearish people knew us. They come up to US and They knew exactly what you were doing there. Of course you know we were the DEA agents and and maybe you could fit in little bit because you're Mexican heritage. But I'm English Irish. I don't fit in Hispanic country well and and how tall you murph six to have used to have light colored hair. I have light. Colored Eyes like coach Skim. Shit as am I going so it's like Who these dudes here like. They knew who you were and what you were doing you that they all knew who we were. 'cause the word got out and I said we used to have a couple of beers. I mean you have to after a hard day's work you'd go relax and it just be. I don't know about a couple hundred yards from the base. Had offense and then there were like you said right outside where the neighborhood people houses in so yes yes they knew who we were and every new thereon methane Who we were so there was so then. Another right across the the the barracks little coffee place yesterday. Everybody knew but that was our relaxation. My wife and I used to go shopping at the mall and Blah people and hallways would stop and stare at me as I'm walking buying them. Thinking was my flop. And you know to add booger hanging on those Rondo. What's going on? But you get used to it you know. They're just looking at the tall white guy and his wife on. Who the heck are you Given that you're in the community everybody knows who you are and given his famous expression you can either take the bullets of the money or the money of the bullets There were a lot of and given the three hundred thousand dollars on your head and I'm sure it was on your wife said as well right. He didn't want no. You were worried about her safety or was worried about her but he didn't put a price tag getting it. We knew of but my my point being in car bombs going off all the time and add like. How do you deal with that level of personal risk while just keep in mind? They didn't send us down there. 'cause we really smart people you know. How do you deal with that? It's this is gonNa Sound Osman people in military. We understand what I'm getting ready to say as well. All first responders is excitement. So if if you're in your line of work as a as chief marketing officer didn't you want to be the go to the highest levels. Which accomplished you know we. We've read up on you accomplishing goals. Yeah so if you're going to be drug idea just WANNA bus street level people all the time which really doesn't have any effect on the drug Activities at all. Would you like to go for the highest level? And that's what I'm talking about. When he transferred to Columbia from Austin you know he wanted to see how that upper echelon work and that was the cool thing about this entire investigation is. It's the first time that an entire organization from top to bottom. We just didn't cut the head off the snake. We chopped up body up on this thing. After after Pablo was dead and all said and done to our knowledge there was only one surviving member of the median cartel. That was Ghani. Popeye who just died last week. That in jail. He was a freeman for a couple years. He did his time in Colombia. Came out and you know He. He was He had his own movie and book and Netflix Show and he just couldn't stay away from the life of crime. He went back to jail and he died of stomach cancer just last week. I'm so terribly sorry to hear about that right. I might raise the beer to that. You know but the point being here that was believe it or not. That's the first time we took out an entire organization. Top to bottom literally right right right and so then what happens. Is We all know out? Did that stop cocaine trafficking. Of course not right people say well. Did you really have a positive effect on the Trafton cocaine? By taking up populist burners relation we did have a positive effect it lasted for probably two weeks because then the Cali cartel steps up and took over cover goes back down in the late nineties and they take out the Cali cartel then the north valley cartel steps up. We'll take them out. And then the guy named Dan Bern steps up to just first of all there's so many evil people in the world who are waiting to take advantage of people like you and me and your listeners that you know when somebody gets arrested. Hellers one hundred people that are ready to take that spot so a little bit off track but you know people say well why can get way off track with say why are we even having a war on drugs. Well first of all the war on drugs. That's one of the biggest misnomers it's ever been. You know. I mean think about this so we're going after the world's first narko terraced the world's most wanted criminal a guy who can who controls eighty percent of the cocaine market. I mean you preach in your book you know you can be different. You can be better right. He was different. He was running. He controlled eighty percent of his market. We call it a monopoly right. Yeah we'll in our books. We call out a Category Queen or category King Right. So if if that's what you're going after we declare war and get our allies lined up. We have our personnel radio. We have the materials that they need the resources the resupply lines and everything that goes along with that we're going after the world's biggest cocaine trafficker in what they do they send Javier in me up committee. They sent two guys twenty eight years old. And how? How old were you when you got. There was probably about thirty four. Yeah so you know so. That's just my point about the and you guys were it. I mean obviously the Colombians. You're working with but in terms of Da Right. There was only Stephen I but we had a specialized in one of the things that likes to throw a lot of I that were done another I that was done by the Columbia. National Police was a handpicked through. Geiss to the special team that was going at risk while because we learned a lesson in the beginning we had guys that were working with us. But there were from the nineteen eighty. Never forget we got a couple of lieutenants But they were on the payroll for Escobar. But what Escobar did it and you know what when you talk about Escobar. We stuttered him. We worked in. This guy was just on top of way ahead of other traffickers in in that vision that terrorism is about. It was a bad vision. But he had a vision. You know in in that he was The people that were at the search block. He found out who they were so he went to their families. I mean obviously sent to see cars. Eight your son's working at the search block so Wanting to do the right thing there's information they're coming after me. He needs to give you a call in. That's another example of that you know a plateau or Palomo. If done then I'm GonNa kill you. Kill him kill all your family so you can make some money off of this or you can die. So that was whoever thinks of that mischievous that That vision that he had so at the beginning people were calling A. They're coming after you. You need to get away so they were. They would make a phone call so once we learned that then we pretty much also you know what next time only people that are not from the will be assigned to the search lock which is he had met in wired he had many wired you know obviously cardio we put the number at about five hundred so anytime somebody would come in and five hundred SAS ready Guy Vibert assassin probably more but you know he had everything wired they would tell him so. Hey the lieutenant would make a phone call in. We arrest a couple of our guys for doing that. So then that new procedure we put in place which is brought in guys that were from Bala in Stephen. I knew there and there were friends awash so they trusted us. We trusted them. Which made it a something. It was kind of a unique. I mean this is great. This is moving material really. I mean the folks that Netflix agreed with they dated. I do not believe that thanks well. That's another story but But it was just something you know that the in when when Pablo Escobar escaped. You know going back to the people that we trust it. You got to remember that. This was based on revenge on public by Khazal. The police officers. Pablo kill all the innocent people for being at the wrong place at the wrong time so we tell it now we. We didn't tell back but you know what our orders the police were telling us how were not ear disease money. We're not here to seize dope. I'M GONNA say we're here to kill Pablo Escobar. Why because of all the police officers all the INNOCENT PEOPLE PABLO ESCOBAR KILLED? All the innocent families you know. I talk about the famous of Janka bombing where he put a bomb on a commercial airline one hundred twenty innocent people for being for flying from volatile Kelly or kill under the orders of Pablo Escobar. How do how does a person do this? I was a personal put a bomb at the DASA building the was like the Colombian FBI Office. Whereabout Hundred. People's ability puts a bomb packed with dynamite. Blows up in the morning. The whole building is demolished. How do you do that? How do you kill parents in their kids? There's a famous car bomb at a mall. We're so bookstore where kids and the parents were getting ready to buy. The book supplies to go back to school puts a bomb in front of that killed. Kids women children so what what type of person so? Pablo Escobar was not a person He was just a mass murderer killer. Yeah I mean it was just something. That's why we say we had never seen before Murphy. He called him a demon. Absolutely this guy had no remorse. He had no conscience People say will you know if Pablo had applied his business acumen to legitimate business? He could have been just as wealthy. That's not true. His business model was different than what use is by business model was Chris. I wanted to do this if you don't do it. I'll kill you and when you didn't do it he followed through and not only killed you. He killed your wife yielded children. Your mother your father that sends out a message. That's not a business model. Just a deem. That's an evil. Priest person. Were walking on the face of the Earth with you and me this may be tangential. But how does it make you think about if you will the human spirit or human beings like as you look back on this and you're dealing with this pure evil well for me it was? It was our job but and I was. I was going on this while ago when I went sideways. Got Another topic. Their first responders military off horsemen. They'll understand this that you know you get down there and it's it's very concerning when you first start out find out the guys put three hundred thousand dollar price tag on your head just because you're A. DA agent will. Then you start working with the cops you face a lot of the dangers but you know we get used to things don't and it was exciting experience of an adrenaline rush it unrequir- alcohol. It doesn't require smokin weeds. Or are you guys the same guy? Are you guys like the biggest risks? Risk takers in the sports world of those guys that fly in those wing suits. Those squirrel suits you know. I think that's crazy but like you guys are like this is like bungee jumping time. Two million right in terms of the adrenaline rush. And even if you're in your late. Twenties early thirties where you guys adrenalin junkies. I wasn't it was me. Have here. You know what it was like she said. Of course it's exciting but I mean you you had a target. You had a person that you needed to go. After in the risks that were involved. You didn't think about it at the time like you know. Steve says a best we were jumping out of. Helicopters will never trained to jump out of chopper show Addressed used to dress just civilian clothes. Do not let us put any sort of official attire. You know what were you wearing like bulletproof vast novellas? Nothing just never shirt bluejeans you know what in for line force winds this out there Great little less than you know what I came close to being shot one day and I. It was not an operation where jeans and a shirt after the operation came through one of the soldiers. I think he was like a captain. Comes up to me Sir. You've not know how close I came to pull in that trade or so what he says. I know who you are. You had assured on jeans knowing when Shit hits the fan in a in a firefight blonde blue. Everybody's knows that about that. One friendly fire for fire. He says I know who? You're I had my sign. I was just GonNa pull the trigger to shoot you when the colonel walks up to you that I said all I better stop you know and I learned a valuable lesson that day. That's why when I became a A. Da boss I preached on guys. You GotTa have your dear. Da You're Rajak has sent me your badge hanging some identification. 'cause WE'VE LOST NOT WE'VE lost people in friendly fire and I think military also what I'm talking about but put on stunt into a dentist by. Us A good guy when shit hits the fan or we start shooting and if you don't have a white hat on we don't know you're one of the white hat exactly. So I learned the lesson the head Blount so they say it was beneficial at. I'm so white. Although being so tall you a little bit of an easier target. Tolerance is almost everybody in that country except Colonel Martinez Ptolemaic. There was that one lieutenant that young Lou Taller Colonel Martinez she said was the leader of the search walk and Colonel Ogle Martinez Great Guy. Great Hero in Columbia. He's the one who organized the search and After Pablo Escobar Surrenders Colonel Martinez. Remind me what year he surrenders. It was nineteen ninety-one the surrender of Pablo Escobar. Which is another. What what what. Forces him to surrender at that point. Wow remember what? We talked about the challenges country who also declared war on terrorism. The people innocent people getting killed every day. civilians innocent people. Police officers we saw there was a person who is running for President Columbia. His name was Louis Cardinals. Gallon in he was going to be the next personal. Colombian he hated. Pablo Escobar in Pablo hated Galon. Because Galon was part of his campaign platform was if I'm elected I'm bringing back extradition Pablo Escobar hated extradition and. Where is he going to extradite him to to? The United States probably was wanted. Yeah United States but under the Constitution of Columbia. It was unconstitutional. That there is no extraditions but when Pablo Escobar killed. The next upcoming President Columbia. Galon is when Y'all Preston for the history people out there. Guy Named Barco Vargas basically call the ambassador using imbalances? I don't care about our constitution. I am authorized in extradition. Wow that was great for us when we catch him he's GonNa the United America face justice there in Escobar hated extradition matter of fact Escobar formed a committee or a club called the extraditables in his model was the letterhead on the on. The form was I prefer a tomb in Colombia than a jail cell in the United States. And then he would drop the sleep. That's at the car bomb sites saying I'm Pablo Escobar it. I'm going to kill as many people as I can. That's what factors into Columbia. Accepted his surrender. So what the president did. And the Attorney General had a lot to do this. They created what they call self surrender program so you come in and agreed to plead guilty to any crime of your choosy. So you know here. Pablo we're talking about a man who's responsible for thousands and thousands of so in exchange for pleading guilty that one crime whatever you decide you want to plead guilty to be a felony. Quit what we call felony here in the United States Exchange for. They absolve you of every other crime you ever committed in your life to include murders include mass murderers Pablo. Well that's all great. He said Yeah. I want to surrender. And they said well just static you know. Please thank you Mr Escobar. And he so wait a minute. I've got conditions. He's the first of all I want to build a home prison. You know because I needed to be safe But you know what I don't want to the citizens to Columbia to suffer the tax burdens. How pay for that. That's a real magnanimous gesture in it. Second listen the guards are going to be there. I want to hand pick those because I have to know that I can trust them. You know because I'm afraid that some infiltrated my to get in there and try to assassinate me and my prison and by the way I'll pay their salaries as well so the taxpayers and Columbia. Don't have to bear that burden as well. Kite wonder where their loyalty laterite to wherever that paycheck was coming from third? The good guys mean the Colombian National Police the Columbian military and the gringos were not allowed to come within two miles of the perimeter that prison so he had he had that that buffer zone at safety buffer zone that like a DMZ around his prison four is he said. I'll plead guilty but no more than five years to all of those things. The government of Colombia said okay. Thank you and I've heard you guys talk about his prison. Air quotes Isn't anything that I might identify as looking like a prison. Yes though the prison was a country club said when we get there there's one set of bars but it was just if you would go to the front. You could see some Bart. It was just one side. You're bars the rest. Were it was a? He called it a they call it. The Cathedral. There was a country club steady. He had his own apartment luxurious apartment. He had offices all the prisoners had their own apartments built into the there were at the prison. There was no no no railings. No bars nothing. The Colombian government accepts this well but dating not know. I'll be honest. We do not know in the government. You know what we also like to tell people. Think about if you're the president there's two sides right to every coin. Yup what was the other side? You're seeing all others innocent. People Women Children get killed on a daily basis assassinations in methane. Were three to four hundred on a weekend in all escobar relent. What would the population of any been have been at the time that timers about three million two million so in a city of two three million? How many how? Many murders in a week out to three hundred to three hundred that we could account and then there was a lot of bodies that were being found dollars place. Yeah so if you're the president and you have a chance to win the violence to end the killings. I'm not saying he did the right thing. We did not like the What when he did the surrender. We hated that. We didn't agree with a collision govern. But you know what they did it. In the bombings stopped the killing stopped. Admitting because they're all escobar related so people were map perspective Escobar Held up his end of the bargain. Which if you let me build this compound all stop killing one. He did he did. He did but like you said. Once you don't end you know the famous escape when basically We find out that. Pablo ball was doing everything inside the prison. He killed two of his best friends site and he was running basically he was. He had declared another war in many. He was killing there too. Far from the pro prison from prison with the Colombian armed decided to get him to transfer him. Basically the Colombian government knew that Pablo Escobar was not in a prison who was a country club setting that he at kill to his best friends and he was starting to kill a la while the people in medicine because of revenge it was a dope deal. Basically over some money That public bar thoughts his two top ten attached older and they had not stolen. So how? How long did he sort of. Behave inside this quote unquote while he was there wanting. Kill anybody best. We know for a year right there were behaving until his eagle that He found out that two of his lieutenants had stolen some money from him which was not correct so he brought him into the prison Pablo. Escobar HIMSELF KILL. One of them does he. Cars Kill the other one and then he tells all the cars marine was too big families. Go out and wipe them out. You know I mean. Hundreds of people kill everybody steal. Whatever they own businesses ranch's cattle that saw mine and that's when the Gomer Columbia said enough is enough. We gotta move him so they sent in column Altera guys to move him the bringing back to a real person in Bala. That's when he fought his guard sicario. He walks out of their prison. And the next day Stephen I show up at the so called person and we you know what we this is United. Ninety two now. Yeah you do not expect what we found you know. And other things I didn't mention is There were no stipulations in his agreement. Take ANY OF HIS ASSETS. So you know. Pablo is reportedly worth at between eight and thirty billion dollars. And that's not a statistic made up by the United States that came from Forbes magazine and this is in the early nineties correct. Yeah so you know. I saw an article Internet here on six months ago and of course it's on the Internet. You know it's true right and it was rating. The richest way smiled about so I don't know I spent a lot of time on the Internet looking for SASQUATCH. Trying trying to trying to figure out which aliens help build some of the Pyramids Shit but Anyway this article was rating the the fifteen richest criminals of all time. Bob Low still number one at thirty billion dollars you know who's number two GEL Chapo Chapo Guzman. Wow and you know what his net worth was one billion. So nobody's ever built a criminal empire. He's the category as the man. Eighty percent of the of the business and off the top of your head. Murph. Do you know what Bin. Laden was worth at his peak. As you know the bin Laden family was was very wealthy coming from Saudi Arabia. Did I think he was worth the price of a bullet in my opinion? Yeah well I agree with you. But my my point is he wouldn't have been close in terms of financial resources and assets that I'm aware of by honestly don't know I don't know and so does that. Make the cocaine business. The most lucrative business of all time or a criminal business certainly seems like financially. Doesn't it yeah it and You know what the other question we could ask us. You know Howdy The the money what type of money was involved in the mid eighties and you know what I know people in most of them all agree when our racer hands when I asked him who has seen scarface and is like ninety percent of the people raise their hands right. It's it's an epic movies but are caught warriors right it but the money that was involved in that Business in that time of in Miami was actually accurate. There was tons of money that kilo of cocaine Was going for about eighty thousand dollars in Miami for one kilo. So you're doing. Pablo is estimated at doing twenty five hundred kilos for one For you know once you get to Miami Year Looking at Eighty Thousand Times twenty five hundred if you're doing this on a daily basis. I I mean your profit margin was in the billions and he had to make that kilo in the jungles around Mylene Columbia was about but one thousand dollars to make one kilo of cocaine transported three to four so your digital investment is five thousand so you money people out there who work in your initial investment was five thousand dollars a year return was going to be about seventy five to eighty thousand dollars. Even I can do that. Math okay called healthy. Those are called healthy gross margins right there close barges. Eddie was cash being brought back. He wanted cash on the barrel in Columbia. So it. That's why you know if you look at that. That the business that cocaine basis in the mid eighties people were getting Ridge and one of the things that blows me away is is sort of the distribution capability how you get it from Colombia to the United States to Europe And then of course how you get the cash back. And I've heard you know you guys talk and in your book. And so forth the level of innovation around the distribution the movement of the product. And the cash. He he in. That sense was very innovative. Yes he was an and that's one of the things we show. Our presentations is just to give people an idea. And before we show the pictures and explain it to him with the I tell everybody there's only one limitation when it comes to smuggling anything and it's simply right up here in your brain. It's your imagination. You know the first time we ever saw Columbia produced heroin. The the cops call zero. We went to their office and the cocaine the heroine so it was a car a corrugated cardboard box and if you know corrugated cardboard you got two pieces of paper and in between you got those exact thing right so they would take these little minute. Straws and film full of heroin and slammed down into those little bitty hole. Wow I mean they. They developed a method of liquefying cocaine cinemas liquid. That's you know you just don't expect to see that they would impregnate chlorine would they um I remembering this right? They put it in coke bottles or cans. It my remembering this right. They will they will. They would drain the liquid coke out but they put powder cocaine back in their Silva candidateship. Why there's something poetic about that right? Things go better with coke in in in Miami remembering the. What was it the late eighties people about three or four died drinking the soldiers that were laced with cocaine sodas got into the grocery stores. It had a little bit of Liquid Anyway Dragon. What the head about two or three deaths was us. Yeah it's it's so concentrated and then you got people who are willing to take condoms and swallow those full cocaine. And and how many condoms would people swallow up to eight hundred grams? Which would be a little two or Three Cup condoms foregone? How much they're they're a small they would only whole maybe not even an ounce per so you had to swallow a lot of those as the X. Ray machine always gives it up because it looks like a little honeycomb on the x Ray Romano condoms in there and they they would have to shit them out. Assault away comes out and like to have a job talk about Shitty Shitty job and my understanding. Is that if one of those breaks. You're gone right. Mildest son has is an orthopedic surgeon in Atlanta. And and I asked him. You know because you're always trying to educate yourself so you can do a better presentation. I said all right son. Here's the here's the scenario. You have a swallow. Our on the table and a condom of cocaine has burst open in his stomach. Had you saving is responses? Dad You could be at the best trauma center at surrounded by the trauma surgeons in the world. That's a dead man laid on the table. You can deform and how many Mules I. If I could call them that would be operating at any one point in time. Sort of at at worst peak ignored. We see them may not on airplane. There could be as many as five to ten meals on a when it first started because no one was really checking into like what. What did they do now? That's not possible swallowing something you so you know. Some people died because of the exploded inside their system of people die because they WANNA pay they get to Miami take him to the Bullshit Hotel. They Kill Him. Cut Him Open. You Save yourself ten thousand dollars because that was about the going rate One of the best example side was Lady walking through the airport in both. This is funny because young police officer Rookie type. Guys. What would happen to you and you know. She had a one-way ticket to Miami. You have cash when you get to Miami. They're going to pick me up no cash. What's going on? Why are you limping? She says all well you know what I'm embarrassed but I got a butt lift operation the rugged blow saucer lady. You're broke and you have a butt lift operation there. Something not right. What happened is a headstone about a pound O'hare one in each bud chic? The cuts had already been infected gangrene. I just WanNa make sure Anderson. How do you so cocaine? In someone's ass that. How does that work a bullshit doctor cut him open? They had plastic bags. The bags were bigger. Basically to a form the the shape of the but you know so in each week in implant yeah just like an implant but like should I think that young police officers saved her life. You think we're going to take her to a hospital. Doctor they're gonNA kill or cut. It Open. Dumped the buddy you know somewhere. We saw the video of the of the of a medical facility. Removing the bags co came from her butt cheeks and it was infection just poured out when they when they slid open it just little the plus poured out of her cheeks. I just WANNA grossest things I've ever seen and in terms of the the condoms followers. They would pay them. The the promise was they. Were GonNA pay him ten grand but they would often kill them to save ten Grand Prix. Cheap yeah I mean some got paid some righteous but some of them. Hey you know what we're not paying you know. Kill Them WHO's GonNa Complain Exactly There's there's no honor among thieves. And how long did he rain like? How long was he sort of in his? If you will prime well you know what He. He started an because we have folded over him visiting. You know the White House Eighty one eighty two in early to mid eighties. There's a famous picture of him. Any Sun at the fence or the White House. He had a property. Humongous Reagan's president at the time While have not sure about that was at the end of the Carter Administration. Nah I think Reagan. Yeah there's a famous house in Miami Public Barb bought in the low nineteen eighties and he signed the property with his proper name and insists signature. Stephen I have checked it out and so he was. He was knowingly visibly openly Visited the United States. In Miami Miami was his forte. That was his headquarters. Lot of people were for him. Stephen I went to this house in Yemen from the Miami area. You want to describe it. Yeah it was. It's a beautiful piece of property. Right on Miami Bay at said the actually the properties for sale right now ten million dollars just the piece of property. That's how nice it is. Got A when you go out on the dock out there you can see to the left. You can see downtown Miami Skyline to the right. You can see South Beach in south Miami. Over nattery it really is beautiful piece of property. He had bought this house in Nineteen. Eighty eventually Da Built a case and sees the house in the late eighties and it went up for auction. `nother family lived there and then and then the current owners purchased it and tore the house down so it was These living right there are knows we got pictures of him. In the FAMILY HANGING OUT DISNEY WORLD IN ORLANDO. We talked to some of the neighbors back then and some of the older neighbors remember that. Yeah we thought he was a diplomatic Ambassador type because you always have bodyguards. We thought he was under Bazzar. It the funny thing you know what who was hollowing. Everybody in the neighborhood used to go because he used to give cash instead of candy grades story trick or treat would but now why wouldn't the? Us Government just arrest him then in there because he was not known they didn't know what he was what he missile hanging out in Miami. I know exactly once the pressure was put in about the mid eighties public bar. Once we file charges on him in Miami Pablo knew that you know he was wanted Yeah he he and that's why he never wanted extradition. You know he always wanted to stay in Medellin 'cause he knew if he came to the United States. It was not going to be able to bribe anybody so it was that was his main. And you know what I'm proud of the fact that Pablo Escobar. The only thing that he was afraid of well he was a lot of things. But what really was you know? Extradition ever wanted to come to the United States because he knew what he was going to face here right right well there. It is part one and listen. I had the conversation and I can't wait for part to hope. That's true for you to if you're if you're loving this episode. WanNa share it with somebody that you love right now. Most most Podcast APPS have a share feature. Right there you can send it to them and make no mistake. 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141 The Real DEA Narcos Javier Pea & Steve Murphy Part 2

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141 The Real DEA Narcos Javier Pea & Steve Murphy Part 2

"Thanks for pressing play. This is Christopher lockhead failure different and we are an award-winning chart-topping podcast. For people who value real different dialogues about how to build a legendary business and a legendary life and this is part two of our special dialogue with the real. Da Narcos have your opinion. And Steve Murphy these two real American heroes partnered with Colombian law enforcement to take down the world's number one narcoterrorists Pablo Escobar. And as you probably know their story is the basis for the smash hit from net flicks Narcos and if you loved. Narcos YOU'RE GONNA love this podcast series. If you haven't heard episode one. I would highly encourage you to start there and come back to this episode. Because on this second episode you'll hear the conclusion of how Murphy and heavier partnered with Colombian law enforcement to bring Escobar Justice. And Not only. Do we get that conclusion. The real story of what happened. 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He's a good boy for about a year so he starts behaving badly and then sort of take me through the next bill and all that Steve Bishop yet. The escape was great for us. We were happy we were excited. You didn't want him in that quote unquote jail. Not once you escape is like we have another chance at getting him and you got to remember it. Not like what Colonel Martinez said. This was revenge. kill couple of good friends of ours. One of the first time we anyway killed a lot of good friends of ours so it was. It was personal you personally I mean. Obviously he was killing thousands thousands but we knew some people personally had search block and that personal connection to your friends. Yes that can help but yeah keep going and you know and we talked about it earlier is did we ever want to give up? Of course we want to give up a lot of times when you would see the car. Bombs innocent people get killed. I mean I used to go back. Says you know what that's just leading surrender that y'all go home but then that personal side of it you know what we can't let it surrender. We can give up this guy look at all. The people killed is going to be some justice in all of this so we were happy we escaped and we moved in and he took US eighteen months to You know when that Fino last last day but that eighteen months at the beginning we should have had him. We were very close. We had great We had some Delta guys with a seal team six guys with US best guys in the world however the orders from the Pentagon they could not leave the base so the also how we without a little bit first of all. There's only two of you so if I'm in your shoes shit about law enforcement or any of this stuff but the fact that there's two of you are you're going. Hey we can have some friends down here And then when you do have Delta Force and the seals with you but yet they're they're literally tethered to the base as as now. The rules of engagement were that we were not to leave the base either and to give you perspective. Police base in Colombia's is very similar to a US military base here at home. Okay so you've got your outta parameters your inner parameters to Serpentine driveways guard posts. The pillbox the concrete pill boxes with machine guns and all that stuff las madres it like the little city is it's a it's a it's a base you know. There's a front entrance and You know there's police guards There that are you know a assigned to it but you know when when we moved in. We headquarters insight. We lived it off. We shared one room with about ten other guys. And you're essentially doing surveillance. Yes we're helping out in anything that we could Intelligence from the United States. Money foreign four months. Money for operations you're paying informants yet. Where where an India? What one of the best things that we ever did is came up with a a eight hundred number were we were offering a reward for Pablo Escobar. Got Up to five million dollars. In the second time people started calling us but they wanted to talk to the two agents two gringos so Stephen. I were while we took a lot of chances and that you know we were. It was a setup against us that we would get killed so somebody would claim to know. Arias wandering up for us to get a shot and we experienced us. Oh the police used to take care of us. We'd meet him outside the base at a bus station million. We'd all right what you were earn you know. We want disguise ourselves but eventually wore out there. Lots of times and The police were maybe if they hadn't seen tall white guy that is true anyways. How do you in that situation? No with some level of certainty that you're not going to get killed by this person. Who seeking the reward. You're off the base. You're right that's why we have police officers go with US undercover. They go check out the area. I make sure. Hey there's no guns involved. There's mostly cardinals involve once. They cleared the area. We used to tell him for him. All right. What are you. GonNa be wearing you above all right yellow shirt so we go but we'd always have about three or four guys around US maistre. That used to scare the shit out of me back. Zito we not know but but Arnot about three hundred. Ten of those informants paid off as they headed that you don't know where he is right. We had a lot of close calls at the beginning. No getting back to Colonel Martinez in. There's a great Back when When the Delta guys have him located technically you know a young Steve here he is in then. We had a weak W. Aka colonel running the base he did not want to go after. Pablo Escobar. He always excuses or got to the point. Where we just the ambassador would call me accusing me away. How come you're not doing your job? So we finally told them and then we put the band back together again brought back Martinez from out of the country that the original guys because they hated public and that made a difference and so at that point. You're getting better intelligence great intelligence and Pablo Escobar. Then it like. We talked a little bit but we came close many times but the people would protect Pablo Escobar. The here the choppers coming in. He'd be hiding this mountainous area so he knew we were always always made cooking for him. A young girl with him at the site he would hide up and they used to tell us yet. A maiden it why. Why was that for his meals? In a young girl for play obvious reason recent so the coffee would be he heard the choppers come into off the back door so that was the problem. That was the only way of going after using of course he's not an idiot. He has pre-planned escape route hideouts than would help a mild so they were hiding him. But you know I mean. In towards the end He was pretty much Weakening towards the end he wasn't established it was unorganized. He was we had done such a great job that he could not get money. He could not have his assets. You're shutting down. His supply lines were arrested. Killing in when I talked about killing I'm talking. This guys would come. After he was gone so weren't winning. He was very disorganized. And obviously towards the end. He's trying to get his family out of Columbia and Let's see walk you through the last days. He wanted to take his family to Frankfurt Germany. Now we don't know where they're gonNA go from there but we of course we found out that the family was going so we got together with Columbia National Police and then they bastard got involved and we put undercover agents both Colombian American on the flight. to to go to Frankfurt and during the public flight public was and it was kind of a spectacle when the when they were going to the flight because word had gotten out to the public so the press showed up of course having her there at the Airport Mel. Dorado it at airport doing surveillance and we've got great because I had a camera fit him with all the Tigers. You know I could. We had our long lands. And we're taking pictures of family and and just seeing who the associates. This is not undercover of the night or in public commercial flight. Everybody knows what's going on the families getting out of dodge. This is a Lufthansa flight. You know public airline Star guys got right first. Class all the way to Frankfort and but what during that flight? What we wanted as we knew if he got his his family to a place of safety. Then he's got nothing to distract him. He can focus on declaring the third war against the country of Colombia. Now think about it. And that's what you thought. He was getting ready to do or get his family out and then get down to business big time again. He said he was going to declare war on the country. Like they'd never seen and would this be. That helped me lose a county. Or is this a second or third declaration of war this would have been the third. Yes we've been third so anyway our ambassador in conjunction with the President of Colombia talking to the President United States and State Department putting pressure on the government and Germany. You know we didn't. We wanted them to expel the family. Back to Columbia. It was a big battle the Germans you know there was a faction said yes. There's a faction said No. We've learned a lot since then from agents who are assigned there at the time who are actually at the airport when the family landed at it went on into the night. I mean it was undecided. So they put the family in quarantine and finally. The Germans decided to expel the family so the next day. Shift THEM RIGHT BACK TO COLOMBIA. So they make it to Germany where they don't actually get into the country so to speak right back on a plane right. There even cleared customs over there so now in the family. Excuse my ignorance. But wouldn't the United States government maybe have wanted to hold the family there or states have jurisdiction in Germany in Hobo? I mean we have other states. Didn't want the family 'cause really know because we were using them as we hate to say bait back in Colombia because he was communicating with family. And by this time we started intercept in his calls to the family. We always better for you guys to have him communicating with the family and the country. That's why we wanted the family in that sense. The German government was helpful. Yeah but I don't think they knew that they just didn't want anything to do with it. Yeah Yeah it's like. Hey let's get rid of this. Get it off our plate. You know we don't WanNa get involved in this. Yeah so when he comes back they Sequestered the family into this five Star Hotel Downtown. Bogota in the in the rooms they have these apartments tweets you know and the Attorney General's office was providing security inside the hotel. Funny thing is when they Escobar family moved in all the other residents moved out because we were afraid groups. We're going to bomb the hotel and that starts to get scary right. That's legitimate concerned. So now the telephone technology and this is what a lot of people find a little bit amazing is. We didn't have three G four G PHONES. Five g phones like we have now is now. What Ninety two ninety three ninety three in December ninety three where in November early December the basically the telephones that he was using radio telephones? They operated off radio frequencies. Yeah so if you know if he wants to Ford. Our efforts to listen to him he's got to do is change. The frequency right because there's thousands of essentially sophisticated walkie talkies right advocates. Say Jeff Radio says basically what it is and if you only thing about the radio spectrum there's thousands of frequencies he can choose from but here's the challenge the people that he wants to talk to he has to get them the new frequency so they can communicate right. And how do you tell them? Which frequency is you've got to use the old frequency to get to the new frequency? Exactly right so you gotTa Send Messengers just so happened that we didn't know his new frequency. Pablo is used to call the President Columbia the members of Congress the press. They would all talk to him now. No by we'll talk to. Nobody wants to touch the sky with a ten foot pole. So just think about who would talk to him his family right right so now. Here's a son Pablo. This kid's probably about seventeen years older in this time. And he's got his father calling him and he's telling me you call the pros in Columbia given this message. You call the members of Congress especially from our district and you tell them I said this and this is what I want and you call the members of the press. You tell them if they don't print what I say. I'm going to declare war on this country like you've never seen before which would bend number three right now. This guy here heavier my partner is he is and this is in all sincerity. Is THE BEST COP. Ever met my life when it comes to recruiting informants. Is that a lot of killed. So it's an occupation working for him right. I mean he really is so he happens to have an informant. That's on the security detail at the hotel where the families located this form. It's welcome by one day when Juan Pablo talking to daddy he looks. You know the informant looks down. He sees the frequency on the phone. That's being used memorize. It caused severe. Pass it to him. We passed it to the CIA who had had the capability of listening to the devices like that. We passed it to the Columbia. National Police got one hundred percent confirmation. That's Pablo we got his new frequency. So you cultivate this informant. Yes he was part of the math. I'm not going to mention because I mean this guy will eventually kill anyway yet. We call waited. This informed gave us a frequency. Like Steve said yes and you had in order to do that. You had to build a personal relationship relationship of trust Motivate this Guida. Be Willing to do this. And and risk is life and ultimately I authorize lot of ADM and obviously knowing that he may eventually get killed her which likes it later on after they find out they killed him. Yes so maybe we'll get to this a little bit later but that's an incredible skill. You have to get to do that. But we'll get to there so let's go back to those those final days. So now you've got the radio frequency right so great that we know what frequency is but what we wanna know is where is him whereas you know. Now there's The technology that was that existed back then was co Use Radio Direction finding equipment. The government of France donated a bunch of these vans that can they contained all this already effing equipment in it and in hopes of helping to capture Pablo. The theory of the equipment was called triangulation. Triangulation tells you come from three points or those three lines intersect. That's where you're signals emanating from right but the margin of error was very large back then. There's a there was lieutenant with the Columbia National Police Lieutenant Google Martinez. Who happens to be the son of Colonel Ugo Martinez our boss in Medina? He's the head of the search block right while so the lieutenant teaches himself how to use is in very intelligent young man great personality which one of our best friends. He's dead now also. He was killed about ten years ago or ten years after Pablo was but he teaches himself how to use. Rdf equipment now because the margin of error was so large the way you refined that margin of error as you go in using a hand held antenna with a meter in the way us at hand. Element ANTENNAS YOU. Ride down the street holding out the window. We'll there's nothing obvious about that. Is there sent me see every day? Right no you know so. These swear to me jam radio. Cicero knows these kids today. You Know Anyway Lieutenant. Martinez is driving down the street and his first attempt he sent. He sent this elite unit that we work with Dean Unit. He sent him to a warehouse. I was in empty warehouse. It was a bogus hit so but at the time you guys thought maybe this is why we're going to get them. We thought that was it. And you show up. It's an empty warehouse. Well they do. I'm back at the base hovers up in Miami because embassador meeting the chain chase a bullshit Linden. Tell you about that later so The now can you imagine the ribbing lieutenant got from his his partners. I thought you sitting in here. You guys captured an empty warehouse. Congratulations you bastards. Yeah so what the lieutenant did is he? He realized there's about there was a body of water. There and and water will cause radio waves to bounce. Yes so he recalibrated as equipment took that into consideration and his next finding. He's driving down the street in his little maters telling them to look to the left in his own words he looks up and he says he sees Pablo Escobar on the phone looking out the window and he's on the street well. Pablo's in an apartment in a two looks up and lieutenants in a car driving down the street with a driver remember. He's got to say it. Yeah like and he says it. Pablo looks at him as driving down the street. Now we've this lieutenant friend of ours and afterwards we had a lot of conversations about if he saw you want he react. When did he run immediately because the truth for an imposition than to do the salt? And the only thing we've ever come up with is you know when you're talking on the phone and you're really engrossed in your conversation. You're looking things that you're not seeing them because you're in your mind thinking about your conversation right and only thing we can think of is that that was what happened that he's he's looking at the lieutenant but not realizing what he's seeing so just didn't he was may be engrossed in a conversation and it just didn't register and PABLOS mind how unusual this scene was on the street below him and he just kept talking and that was that right and he now he's talking to some because he's giving the Sun Instructions on what to tell president the member of Congress and the press you know so he's distracted so his guard was down because he's distracted in a conversation right if he had seen that he would have gotten out of dodge again. If he had moved at that moment he would have gotten away because lieutenant had called troops in and that took a few minutes out. There is about eight is. You're not going to try and take down Pablo by yourself. That's not really safe thing right and so now here's the other thing at one point. Pablo had as many as five hundred SICARIO protecting him. He's got a small army. That's what we expected that day. You expected a major firefight against. Pablo all the Sakari as he had. So now this this eight to ten men unit the Dominion of the guys that we work with they were close by they came and they they put people in the front the back and as they're doing that lieutenants called his dad back at the base and saying hey he's on radio says Hey. I just saw Pablo I. It's one hundred percent confirmation. It's him so we're loading up to six hundred troops back at the base to come out and offer support. We don't load six hundred guys at two minutes right. You gotta get the trucks out the jeep. She got an issue weapons and AMMO. You GotTa make sure. Everyone's accounted for ever give assignments. It takes a little bit to load that many people get him on the road. So in the meantime the the Carlton blew his son. He's to listen. You know. Secure the site. Try Not engage. But if you have to. Don't let him get away with these guys had been trained by by the Delta guys in the seals how to use debt core to blow the Colombians hundred Colombians. Well now this this elite unit this eight to ten men unit yes but the but the US guys train the Colombians to take him down. They've been preparing for this for a long time. Correct absolute frontier months. Yeah so they. They wired debt core to the front door. This row house now. This is a three story row house. And of course row. Houses touch each other. And the roadhouse behind this three story was a two story house okay so and that will come into here in a second so they blow the front door that leads into a garage and a kitchen combination and strange. I mean you're the there was a car parked right there at the kitchen counter. That's where I like to park my car. You must be part Columbia on for many so anyway. They do a quick search in that first floor and PABLOS on the second floor. They start making their way up and so he starts making his way up to the third floor because he realizes they're coming for him now. How how many guys are br break into place at this point? It's about US. Six man team six to eight guys and then there's a couple of guys on the backside on the on the back side of the house. Yeah okay now. This is where really surprised us. He only had one bodyguard with him that day. This is a guy used to have five hundred bodyguards. Right until what? Why do you think that was the case Murph? Because we had whittled his organization down to where he didn't have the resources that week he was down to that point. Livre so you know he. The bodyguard runs up to the third floor. I know there's a window at the top of the stairwell there and that leads up to the roof of the second story row house behind the building. The Pablo got so the. The bodyguard jumps out that window down to the second roof. A second floor roof makes us way crossed roof thinking he's GonNa jump off and escape when the cops on the back side of the House ordering to stop. He shoots at them. They blowing right off the fee lands on the ground dead. It's an Paulos all by himself. He's all alone and he's on the third story at this point up to third story. One of the officers that was on the assault team told us that As he was starting to send the steps to go up to the third floor published shot at him and he tripped on the steps which saved his life. The bullet went over his head. So no good guys. Were hurt that day not him. None of them even injured so there was not one good guy her day Pablo Escobar. Went down correct so now. Pablo jumps out that same third story window onto the second on the two story behind it. He knows his bodyguards already. Engaged in firefights. Pretty cognizant that there's going to be another firefight because there's cops down there. He's trying to make his way allies. He's got a rifle he's got to hang on to nine millimeter pistols the shit. He's got a double shoulder holster rig but that's it that's it doesn't have a machine gun shoot ak he's got jeans t-shirt is what he's wearing air foot yup and now he's on the roof barefoot and he's got to nine millimeters. Yeah now he knows if he stays up against the building of the three story next to the two story he saved from the guys on the ground but he also knows the color. Come to that third story window. And he's he's GonNa be dead you know he'll be dead so he tries to make a break across the guys get to the third floor window the guys on the ground. Save couch in a crossfire. He struck three times that day. He struck once in the back of the leg once in the butt cheek and once through the year now the leg and the butt cheek shots were not kill. Shots that were not shots. You know he may have eventually led out but it didn't hit an an artery or anything significant like that. The kill shot was in the ear. There's a lot of speculation. How that happened was from the water. They guys on the roof. I assume from the COPS. Yeah no that that partner Sam. But there's guys above them guys below he just. He got shot. It was just. Do we know who who who which which group. Agai shot him. Yeah as one of the guys that came on the third floor up. Yeah but you know. There's speculation that because we had dealt and seal team six that they had a sniper up there could. They have made a shot like that absolutely. I have no doubt my mind at those guys are phenomenal. You have your mentioned to you. While we think they're the studs the world fact we tell the world forever kid that that's who we want to come and get 'cause we've seen what they can do seal team six Delta Force. Yeah I mean just super get and we stay in contact with several of them over the years and and still super people but we know it wasn't now people say how. How can you make that claim that you know it wasn't a US special operator after took that shot because if you watched the show Narcos it shows that I was on the roof when Pablo was killed? That's not true Hollywood. I was back at the base. There was no money out there but Columbia National Police officers. You were not there and obviously have. You're still in Miami and I wrote out to the scene with Colonel Martinez after the fact. That's how I got to the scene. And how do I know that? The operators were not out there because when it all started going down I was standing in the room talking to. We got to be close friends with these guys. We've been living together for eighteen months. You know it's nice to talk to somebody from your own country every once in a while right just because it's like a little taste of home sure so and I'm not taking anything away from his guys like I say they are the studs of the world but I know where they were so you know and that's a big. The Colombian police took him down. And that's you know it for a fact no question in my mind and it was one of those police officers a up top on the third floor. That must've taken down with that. Shot to the ears that would you telling me? That's what we believe. Now that's one of the big points we make an every interview we do every roadshow we do in our book. We give the Colombian National Police. The credit people tell heavier now. You guys are American. Heroes man you help bring down Pablo Escobar. Well we did but we're not heroes. We're just doing our job. The real heroes of the Colombian national police because they took the country back from this piece of crap. That's the truth now. His son is trying to promote this theory out there now you know from Europe. Wherever he is that his father committed suicide. You know you and I were both local cops before we became federal agents. I'm trained I've been trained in murderer. Suicide Investigations I've worked both when there's a suicide by gun you know when you when you fire a bullet. There are little bits of gunpowder that follow the bullet out the barrel and the travels a certain distance until they lose velocity. Fall the ground if you shoot yourself in the ear. I mean even if you could do it at arm's length first of all that'd be miraculous shot but more likely. If you're going to do it you put the gun up close. Hit yourself in ear. Go Look at the pictures. They're all over the Internet. There's not a single powder burn on on the side of Pablo's head because there's Burnham pieces of gunpowder would struck skin and left. Little little black marks go examined the photographs yourself if you and if you do call me. 'cause show is taken at distances. What you're saying exactly exactly you don't have to be a ballistics investigative guru to know that well you know and there's there's a company we did an interview with in. London wasn't ended several months ago and they said and their theory is that what the sun is saying is true and I explained to them exactly just explained to you. They said well what if he held the gun against his skin and against his ear with that prevent the powder burns and quite Austat. Never thought about that. I thought well maybe maybe that's true but I don't know if you've ever seen gunshot wounds. The entry wound is usually the size of the caliber of the bullets of his nine millimeter. It's a little bitty hole but the exit wound is always massacre. Now think about this if you had the barrel of the gun against your ear and fired that shot the compression from the explosion of that bullet would have blown out the left side of his head. And that's not what you've found what you find is the exit wounds just slightly bigger than the entrance. So that's not true either. All this is the other thing I would think is. It'd be a nine millimeter. Pistol lying next to his body while they were too because they shot dead he still has guns but Yeah I mean you can look at one of the slides. Lock back which shooting a semiautomatic around bullets the Latte automatically slide automatically lock back so this is just a song trying to change the legacy of his father so you're convinced clearly that it was one of those Colombian police officers that that ultimately got this done without a doubt right and we've talked to lament. We pretty much know who he claims. He's the one who shot him but he was part of the search flock of Colombian police officer. And you knew that officer. Yes yes yes this guy every day. Yeah so no. And so the courage these guys exhibited in those moments. Because like you were saying maybe they didn't expect five hundred but they sure as hell didn't expect one bodyguard and and and to nine millimeter guns on. Pablo to firefighter. Course but with more people of and they were concerned about being outgunned. That's why the cavalry was coming behind him. Right and I think Right I mean the colonel told his son wait for the backup to get it in the words. The colonel in the sunset. Screw this. We're going in and that's what actually was able to get Pablo Escobar by the sun. Making that decision to go in. Is there anything else about sort of the end of Pablo Escobar in those moments that you wanNA share well You know I was on the roof when the military showed up and then the the press start showing up and where reside had our bright Red Polo shirt that day with my jeans so being white sticking out enough now got a red shirt And so the we decided that I needed to get back to the base. That must let the Columbia's have the glory. We don't want anybody to think that the United States is the one that took out Abu Escobar so they assigned a security detail and they S. You know escort back to the Blake. Based now that night we went into total walk down because we were expecting retaliation attacks because of the death of Pablo Right. You thought maybe World War Three was going to rain down on you guys. Right quite nine. I respect Medein. I mean there was nothing it was quiet the next day. Harriers back in country they fly him up on. Pick him up a gunship that come over. There's a big celebration because now you gotta remember. I've been there three years. He's been there six years with these guys. I mean this very those are long years right so we we did all half having and everything and then they flew back out on a gun ship over the airport. We flew back to Boga. Got Back on a five or six. Pm Friday evening normally. The embassies closed by this time. We're going back to the office. Because my wife's working in the embassy there Turns out her and another wife. Dea Agents wife had planned this big party. They got her office decorated with streamers and balloons and posters and how several cases of beer pizzas and the party started about six thirty and we all got home about ten. Am The next morning. It was an all nighter and to quote prints were you partying like it was nineteen ninety nine of cars. It took us at feel like when it's you know six years for you in three years for you and it's it's it's not what anybody in civilian life would recognize as you know if you said. Hey I'm going to spend six years working on a startup or working on doing I mean obviously was salon of of justice had been served in in on the personal level. Of course. We're all happy. But you gotta remember is all innocent people. Why just being at the wrong place at the wrong time? The police officers we were at a funeral. We had eight bodies at the church killed by Pablo Escobar eight police officers so it was personal. We learned a lot. We I said the end. The public bar meant that this was revenge. Obviously you know saw the people that he killed and We tell people you know the real heroes for the Colombian National Police Colonel Martinez assists on Lieutenant. Martinez all those guys. But it was a great feeling is a feeling of justice. Feeling for the other innocent people That he killed. So it's one of those on one of those cases one of those life lessons that we learned this house a person become this massive monster this massive part of evil in the you know if we would have given up Pablo Escobar would've won you said we we never give up. Yeah you know for me. My wife had been by herself in Bogota for eighteen months. That I'm in Medine. Wow so you know I mean I got a tough wife. She's she's tough. Girl Been Married thirty five years now. She's still drive a motorcycle. So let me ask you hockey level woman. Any woman who rides a motorcycle is a Gal that I'm happy to meet. Okay my book. She's just just a tough lady. She didn't let any get down. You know she. She stayed working in the embassy until we adopted her first daughter and she became a stay home. Mom But and that was in October of ninety three and he wasn't killed until December. So now we've got this new baby girl. I'm not even getting to visit with because we're still up there. Jason Pablo so you can imagine. Once he was done we took A two week vacation for Christmas came home. Your family's got to meet our new daughter. I have two sons from prior marriages. And so we get to visit with them as well. They were teenagers at that time. to You know it shows in Arca. I mentioned this one thing. I'm really proud of her. She's she's a just a one of a kind and so in season two episode one. I think it is. They show that she and I get in a fight and they're showing that we've already adopted the baby and Narcos and we hadn't but we did eventually a lot of creative license with the show. Is that what you're telling me everything except harvey our sex life? That was true but that's a different story. Every single one of those ladies entertained all of those ladies out there all through very well. You are very very handsome. As we like to say Swab and do Boehner Kinda Guy. Please don't tell me. Please tell the wrist. I was I'll tell the whole world agree. Expecting Hobby are to be very very handsome and he was even more handsome than I thought he was getting much today but anyway it shows that the she and I get in a fight and that she takes baby goes to Miami. That's not true. I mean she stayed. Call me the entire time. I was there except our normal trips. Back to the United States and the funny part of that is as net flicks would right as the writers would write an episode. They melt to heavier. Now we'd read through it and pick out little things to try to make it a little bit more accurate on screen and so because her character is portrayed in Narcos they used her real name and everything. She got to read scripts as well So series I'm reading it. I'm like Oh crap I'm going to hear about this one so I gave it to her. You know I'm often. Something else in. The House are not hear her yelling. Did you read this? Did you read this bullshit? Did you read this? I've never left you down here and I'm looking at what baby. I didn't write the stupid thing. Why did they want to write it that way? As opposed to the railway that had happened because everything in Hollywood. Tv and make more dramatic conflict. Showed me and hug your fighting pushing each other around we've never even had a disagreement You know I mean I'm just getting to know you guys of course but we spent almost twenty four hours together and Alan like you guys seem like brothers who love each other to me. That's my experience it's like I told you I'll kill them. Do the same for me. Yeah no doubt no doubt and took licenses. Yeah Yeah and so may maybe. Let's go there a little bit How how do you like the Netflix series? You know what I I love the series you know and I told St when I came out of no one's going to watch. This is going to be a flop going to be. The worst flopped started. What I'll be honest I haven't seen all of it. You know I've seen two or three I'll watch it in its entirety. When I'm ready but I said this is a lot of the literary artistic licenses but then all of a sudden we started getting calls from people I mean I know when it came Mara. Got A couple of calls from guys you know here. That's a great series justice. What all we love it. We're hooked on it. Then all of a Sun. The world audience the the Europeans Australians. It was like yeah in many Latin Americans. Right yes yeah it was like in high demand back there now. Mike. Wow maybe people are GonNa Watch remind me what year it started the season one. Fifteen thousand teens fifteenth. Yeah and you know the the creative. Narcos zirk Newman. And one of his executive producer Chris Brancaccio and the Writers Zach K-league and polyps seen I mean all those writers are phenomenal. They're extremely intelligent. You know when he got to the writer's room at Hollywood work with them. They had a library books that I thought we knew everything about Escobar Numidian. Curtail had books that I'd never even heard of and they were conversant but they also have a little bit of a six item because some of the things they came up with like you know hanging my cat from my door and Bogota when my wife and I I arrive there. That was pretty heinous. You know we did have a cat and the cat did. Die Columbia but is nice. Puff puff was old at heart attack. You know it wasn't. Sakaria broke in sacrifice him on our front door but would they that they thought little things like that would make attention. More exciting for the viewer is at what you think was going on or yes. I mean that. And that's what I in you know. We can't mention any names but a higher up with a net flicks Told us he said guys. I saw one one episode in. I ordered another serious. Just seeing one. That compelling compelling right now. We'RE GOING INTO SEASON. Five is going to be released released later this month. Wow and have to go anywhere. You don't WanNa go. I respect your feelings in your experience. Tremendously But I do want to ask you. You're not ready to watch. All of them started watching. It like like Zhao. I'm always thinking of some of the guys who got killed. You always think you know what what credit did they get. What what what. What are their families doing? Now I had one of the majors in fact the we talked about eight bodies being at the search yeah His daughter about five years ago. I was still job. And she's a police officer now with the Columbia National. Police called me up. Cicis MR Penny. I WanNa talk to you. I never knew my dad. I was a baby when he got killed in. Can you talk to me? And she even visited me out stationed in Puerto Rico. Not told her about her dad. But it's stuff like this the first captain and we mentioned him in the book you know we sent him on a mission after Escobar. He dismembered you know So it stuff like that that I just said you know what when I'm radio. Yeah makes all the cities in the world and feel. I know you know. There's a lot of talk in the military about PTSD and so forth. Do you relate to those sorts of feelings and That that we hear about with people who've been in the military or had other traumatic. I think about the second time I went back. It's one really excels getting hammered. The press about being with the As and he got to the point where you know the you do two years in all supposed to stay for another two years. I said go because I I wake up at night. Choking couldn't breathe. I was getting those panic attacks and you know I mean I'm obviously went to the doctor But it wasn't worth it wasn't worth so I left after two years. Yeah Dom fine now. Maybe that's why I drink pretty much every day. You and me both south bottles. I don't know if he really said it. But that that Benjamin Franklin quote you know beers proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy with that and other sort of area. I'd love to sort of explore with both of you. You you are guys who have learned a tremendous amount in a forty year career. And you now have this new life as as educators You're now celebrities at some level. And you've got this hit show and this this this Narcos on Netflix. Plus you guys are travelling around doing your thing. And so you have this whole other Phase of your life and it seems to me. Is Somebody getting to know you guys is somewhat if not completely unexpected? But but how does your life feel today? You know. This is the last thing I ever thought we'd be doing in retirement. You know when when they first called us what most people don't know is we talked to producers and turn them down and when Eric Newman called us about narcos initial conversation. I turned down a phone. So we just out so help that net flicks calls you and at the time Netflix is. We didn't know it was that for. You didn't know I was just Eric. And he didn't have an agreement with net flicks yet. I'll ICBM negotiate. But I mean he's had sign nondisclosure agreement so he couldn't reveal that kind of information but You know when he flew to Washington with two riders and I met him for dinner and and hovering. I did research on them. And you know Eric's father's Randy Newman. Who wrote all the jingles for the older movies so he grew up in Hollywood? Yeah and and L. A. Treasurer Music Treasury absolutely. And they're you know they're well educated they're successful writers and when we met I mean you. Utah like the bus chops a little bit so I just like to have fun and and I walked right up to the Taiwan as a copy. Just pick out people. You're looking for Kia and I walked up and just attack them verbally and you can see I wanna get this like deer in the headlights. Look and then I realized who I am and they started smiling and there was no tension our personalities. Click from that point forward. Just you know. They told us everything we wanted to hear. And so you're not discussed it. We agreed to move forward. And that's you know we signed contracts. A met them and talk to him in February of thirteen and March. We had dinner in. May We signed contracts. In June. I retired in July. Were sitting in Hollywood and the Writers Room. Wow I was and so when I told my family I'm retiring. I was a cop for thirty eight years. I don't know how to do much else right so when I told my family that was going to retire from. Da Everything that. I've got two sons two daughters my wife everybody. My family was shocked. My oldest son. Call me and he's like dad you are. Da what the heck are you going to do next? You know and saw told me what we're working on and we were supremely surprised that it was as successful as it was That lead into our speaking business. Which have your started this back on the job on a very small scale and I got involved with him and and we were speaking to mostly law enforcement groups and it was what maybe once or twice a year twice a year yet and then. When you're little busier now are you guys. It averaged about seventy five shows a year right and we're just start our fifth year doing this son. Our how do you like being on stage? it's great at the beginning. I get nervous but now but it's you know we know the topic and we like to talk about it and you know part of history. Lot of lessons learned a lot of Things that we could have done better in is just You know what we want people to know the real history. Yosano people think this is all made up. You know what I wish I would have been made up. It's not it happened. It was even worse in real life. The show didn't depict the violence that actually happened. It was like she had worst in real life. So like you said part of you. Don't we study history to learn right and But IT'S A. We could have done a lot better. We earned a lot less than send. Let's talk about some of those some of those lessons and you know obviously have great lessons for for people in law enforcement But getting to know you guys a little bit. You have some life lessons in some some business and management leadership lessons because you performed incredibly under massive pressure for many many years in the face of great personal risk to yourselves and potentially your families and so what are some of the key learnings maybe about life about leadership and management. I'll I'LL GO I. I mean I was a house agent. Charge San Francisco. Da area where we had a four five years four years. We had Iran about three hundred people in all of the agent charge for the Caribbean which is a hybrid. It's part domestic and part of Caribbean countries about three hundred night. Finish my career in. Houston where I had six hundred people in the head. The southwest border so be named a leader. I've you know when we first started off. You know what when I had a boss that I liked. I wanted him to look good so I would work extra hard to make my boss look good but now as being leaders in those in St was You know he had a different type with a Washington with a Washington bureaucracy but with with the field people you learn that you know what And you can equate it to any type of business when you see your your young. Gaijin working his butt off out there in you bring him up on us is one of the lessons. I learned you bring him up. You're the boss you're the CEO. Right you bring him up. You WanNa you WANNA briefing. What happens I ever to get involved? His manager his middle manager in my rosewall they can be there but I do. Not One of them say a word. I WanNa hear it from the guy who's on the street and you know what when you see his face open up like what. The big boss wants to me to brief him. On this case that in the case could be the biggest bullshit gate. But it's just leading him. Tell you about it he is is you know. I mean I it. It's great and then you know there's a lot of leadership lessons going out there You know to the field As a big boss and not you know after I retired. One of the guys gives it boss. You know we we respected because you came up with us even the background nugget involved right but but it's so interesting you say that because you know as a former CMO The marketing job in a corporation is one where you don't necessarily have to be in the field you know in the sales job. Typically sales leadership sales management is expected to be in the field marketing management. At least the tech world. Some maybe some now but I spent forty fifty percent of my time in the field because I felt a and maybe was leading to a question. I felt if you weren't out in the field with sales people with customers. You didn't really know what was going on the business. And so what was it about you as you got to be kind of a very senior executive as a senior executive in you learn from being out there with like set the sales people you learn what their problems are you learn what solutions are available in. They're the ones who know what's going on. You're seeing up there on top. You don't know what this person in the perfect example. I uses in medicine Young analyst you know and I remember walking into the room. And he's an opinion. We had just hired him. I think one Escobar SICARIO is in the United States in New York in the kernel that was with him left ear. Don't believe in this guy's not there so I go back at night in sure. Enough his information you had a phone number and we located this Ikaria but if I hadn't gone in talk to that low person 'cause remember eight. Oh what's going on? I don't I'm sitting on top over here at at this office. So that's that's one of the lessons of always learn those those guys at the bottom are going to be the ones that are year. No you know tell you. What's right and wrong? Yeah what what pops to mind for you more well different level so we're in Columbia we. We weren't really assigned to leadership roles. Were there to assist the Colombian National Police. But so you're kind of an advisor or Matt. Sense or a consultant. Yes right and so you know our rules engagement said we were not allowed to leave the base will. We decided that beginning. We can't do our job doing that. So we continue to go outside the base on operations and everything and that's how you broke the rules. Every time you left the base every single time you left the base a lot every single day. Because there's so many things going on bad guys aren't in the base right. Exactly all the might have been a couple of us. Another story at a Bar So anyway that's how you earned the trust and respect of your counterparts. And you know you don't look at his leadership robot you're actually demonstrating leadership techniques at that point because you're out there with them now take it later on in life. Iran the actually got to develop what's called the Atlanta strikeforce in Atlanta. This kind of surprised me. I try to come in with a positive attitude and I'm an. I'm an executive in an executive position at this time but I'm not at the top executive position in the field. I'm like a second level and we're off site you know and I've got I've just got some kick ass. Investigators these guys are just kicking butt and taking names or season thousands of kilos coke thousands of pounds of meth thousands and thousands of pounds a millions and millions of dollars in cash and assets. You don't have any of that we'd around to you. We're GONNA talk to you back to the center. Thank you but So I always try to come in with an upbeat attitude and that could be as simple as walking in the door to smile and speak to people and I made a habit of every day at least once walking entire office and there were at this time. There's probably one hundred fifteen people in this particular office and just stop and say hey has weekend you know has your family has a new baby. Just make a small talk but showing an interest in your people. When I realized how significant that was one day I came back from a an intensive meeting that at the headquarters and and there were some issues going on with other people and I had a lot of things on my mind and I walked in the door and I didn't smile I didn't speak to the soul. I went straight in office and got busy on what I needed to get done. It was fifteen minutes one of my supervisors come to the Noor Knocks. His boss anything. Okay my yeah. Everything's Okay just got a lot to do are you? Okay Yeah I'm fine. Why do you ask well? Everybody saw you coming in the door. And you didn't speak to sewn you're smiling and everybody's just worried something wrong with you and and so that told me how through you know your leadership style you've developed the trust of the people that work for you to the point that they're concerned simply because you didn't speak smiled anybody when you walked in so that was that was a learning lesson for me and then you get to the top level and always looked at it that as higher you move in the ranks and Hungary and I were promoted to what we call the senior executive service in the federal government we had to be approved by the Attorney General The next step would have been a presidential appointments. You're at the highest levels. You can go and I'm not saying as as bragging point is just fact the way I look at it a ragged. If it's the truth that's true under thought it if that's true so simply because you've been elevated to higher position doesn't make you smarter than everybody else and it doesn't make you any more important is just that you now have dif- responsibilities and your responsibilities when you're at the top in my opinion is to provide the resources and the work environment for the people that are under you and give them the opportunity to do. Their job was what I found in federal law enforcement special. Da are people as you can imagine a ton of Taipei personalities out there And corral them can be a town hall in itself but The vast vast majority of eighty plus percent want to do their job. If you'll let them do the job you know I used to also tell mass supervisors who reported directly to me when you think you know everything. There is about this job. Let me know because I want it. I don't want you working from anymore. If you're not willing to learn something new how are something every day? I'm learning things we're at here with you and Santa Cruz. But it's hard to believe you're learning anything. It's amazing what goes on if you keep an open mind and you're willing to learn and with type as you know how we know at all so in law enforcement I would. I told my players. You know it all you're either GONNA get yourself killed or one of your people killed. I don't want you so you know we had that open attitude that. How do you think that translates Murph into business that that sort of mindset that you're you're not a know? It alls matter factor the opposite of Neuro. Well and and business. I mean we see. There are changes every day in the way things are doing getting done. You know the cloud I you know I thought cloud was white things up in the air. Exactly the rain allowing look pretty. It's got a lot to do with that storage and so forth the marketplace regardless of what your job is changes not maybe not daily but regularly and if you're not willing to learn and keep up with what's with with what technologies coming down the road with what's making it easier to do your job. Maybe it's not better. Mavis a different way but it might coincide with your business. You just got to keep that open mind and be won't learn new things. Just 'cause you're the boss doesn't mean you know it all that's probably the biggest leadership lessons. I've had you know in my experience so far and then maybe you know maybe so. That's great I think for an executive maybe if I was a younger person in the beginning of my career and I look up to you guys. I mean there's no question about it. You guys are incredible American heroes and patriots. If I said you know I I aspired to make a difference whether it was in business career or law enforcement or whatever domain. It be like your son. Who's a doctor? Whatever it is and I want to learn from you how to have a career of service and results like you guys have had what coaching would you give me in that circumstance well It's basically you don't learn. I should tell the young kids would get hired. Learn everything you can't about your job learn. Ask questions get involved? Take a chance do whatever it takes iffy to be out there day and night Do it but learn all aspects of your job. 'cause I used to see some of the young people coming in and You know Baas we can. I can do it. I gotta go home early. It's like wow you know that's just like he he can't do that. If you WANNA advanced. Learn everything about the job. Ask questions get involved? There's a great example. I think we're this young kid. I gotTA throw it out there. I think. Save some people's lives Brian. You OUTTA the academy do not operation. He says hey boss I just saw there so we'll get into this operation at this site. So yeah there's a bank building like two blocks a block away. Do you mind if I go. Maybe get a talk to the bank. Get a vantage point gain on top of that building brand new agent. We had been doing operations at this site for a long time. Nothing ever happened wrong in. I was like wow great idea. Gojira signed another agent. Go out there to any goes out there. We're going to be doing the operation. We were getting ready. Roll out the young kid cosby all excited off. Baas Baas what why. You're not going to believe what I saw. Aw Car come in their loading up automatic weapons in this car by him and it was gonna be in other words. It's going to be a rip off on us. There are GonNa fat rob us if he had had that initiative new agent. You know a new employee saying you know what I'm going to try something different perspective. Yeah fresh perspective. I think I would have got people killed. So that's why I you know. Everybody comes on learned. The job that to me was most important quality. Ask questions it also leads me to something else and I get criticized sometimes for being overly laudatory but I don't give a shit. You guys are amazing and one of the things that you're clearly amazing at is the ability to read people in working with these informants and Murphy. I mean having to decide. Are these people that are protecting us? Trust-worthy or have they checked this car out so that doesn't blow up or whatever so whether you guys realize it or not. In my opinion you both have fourth Dan. Black Belts in human dynamics in in reading people's character in figuring out there are people trustworthy. Are they lying or not? So what would you teach me about your for lack of better phrase human dynamics and figuring out who you can trust and who is a good person and who's lying and WHO's not lying well here in the US. Don't worry about that as much. Do we have ages ago bad? Yeah but it's extremely small is not even one percent of the agents that are out there and DA. I mean we have an extremely professional organization and I'm talking like I'm still with. Da of retired over six years now. But I always yeah so approach everybody with the attitude that hey starting off clean slate here. You know. I'll be straight up and honest with you and I expect the same and if it goes downhill. It's because you've done something it's I will bend over backwards to help you do your job so you don't start off. I've talked to some cops who they start off with a distrust and you have to earn the trust. Not Not so much for you when you're in the public that's the other way. Okay I see in department how I got it. Yeah so now when you're dealing with the public you just assume everybody's GonNa lie to you. Yes you know especially today's were over. We'RE STARTING TO LEGAL. Certain medicines and narcotics. You know around the United States people just laugh. They don't WanNA get in trouble. Although you know now if it's legal like here in California People Find Your. They like to tell you that it's legal here. Tell I know that you know so? And that's a whole different topic but if you believe what you hear on the street you'll get taken in a heartbeat. You set yourself up where you're going to get hurt. You'RE GONNA get killed or somebody else's going get killed. You know you mentioned with the Human Dynamics. That's a very important part. You know with me. I dealing with informers because I always get asked that you know what once I corroborated that information. That's what made it. Good night like exit. Three out of ten. That would walk in seven. Were GonNA be Bullshit guys? They're trying to make some money off of you trying to get some payment So you have to pay niche aspect in business. Wants you corroborate. You're dealing with somebody wants he's telling you the truth in this guy trustworthy you know how how many Like said Bullshit guys are out there? We know we know they're out there trying to take your money. And if you don't do the background on you don't check them out. You need to likes it co-operation. Once you know. They're they're they're good guys then then deal with them. But you know like you said you know. We've all had her experiences People calling you on the phone selling you. I'll all sorts of products right So it's just you you gotta like you said just. Make sure you know corroborate. Dweeb need to make sure you know with human dynamics also We were both blast with extremely strong work ethics Which you know in Ireland work in our culture is extremely important. If you're going after a target because you know the things that we do save lives. Yeah it's not great new product. It's you know it's not found a better way to do things although it could be but it there is human life involved so if you're demonstrating that strong work ethic the dedication to your mission and and reaching the conclusion reaching your goals especially if you're in a supervisory position to Maine if you're an executive level especially in your subordinates. See that you know. That's one of the things that if you earn their respect it's like. I said he wanted to keep his boss happy. When you earn respect they want to keep you happy. They want you to be proud of what they did. So that you know we had a the ability back when we were Columbia to Under fire you know handle death Be Involved in things that nobody should ever be involved with and in you know quite Osceola Christian I give all glory to God for that. Because I certainly don't have that. I'm not Superman. I'm small town country boys would I But you know that just carries the day right there in as a boss you gotta be able to make that decision one of the some of the worst bosses I've had in. We've all had them right. Someone who cannot make decisions. I learned a lesson in. It's just you know what Garang but people want to know all right. We're going here. We'RE NOT. We're make that decision people are waiting for it. I've seen just too many people that cannot cannot do that in just a a disturbance and then it's a decision making if it's going to involve danger to a person is different than just making a decision on an everyday thing you know. He's talking about people that just it's an everyday thing. There's no life involved. It just can't make vision. Well I in your case in and there's a big thing I want to touch on with you guys Sort of the seam of fear and courage right decisions that you're making a heavier to your point in many cases certainly on Escobar and I know you guys even forty year career. You worked a couple other cases there's life and death many times at stake trying to capture somebody who's WHO's a killer or they're the agents and other black people involved with the mission whose lives may be in danger and so whether it's the public or whether it's federal law enforcement their lives at stake in many of those decisions and so as as an executive how do you make those decisions when life hangs in the balance you don't you look at all circumstances and in some of our decisions are being made less than a you know whereas that decision is going to be pounded on by courts for many years to mom. You gotta be ready. That's why we train. That's why we have specialized training and It's it's it's it's a hard decision but you know in the rare circumstances if the decision is life or death. You're going to have to make you know you know. I remember when this young age and wanted to be a D. agent. I talked to her. She was all excited on putting If you had to and I hope it never happens. Can you take a human life? And she said no. Of course not wild. Okay then we we gotta re rethink this. But maybe you need to stay behind asking me. I gotTa Rethink Yeah. Exactly there's position you don't carry but in a life and death situation you're GonNa make that decision and sometimes you just gotTa look at all the totality of the circumstances in this longest. What I tell people. You're acting in good faith and in any job. As long as you're acting in good faith you made that decision in. Go the right way but you did not mean it to go the wrong way so this is where like shut. Your your training is gonNA coming to play in. But it's like I said life or death you gotta you gotTa do it. What you want me to know as a civilian about People who served particularly in in federal law enforcement that maybe I I wouldn't know or wouldn't maybe seem obvious to me well extreme there's an NDA. There's an extremely strong work ethic these men and women the agents in analysts and the diversion investigators and support personnel are dedicated to the mission. Now the mission any job that you have as a public employee Europe public servant. Some people look at that as as a derogatory term. You know. Oh you're just a public servant. Well I wore that as a badge of honor and I say the same thing to every other person. That's out there serving the public right. Now be proud of what you are because you have been entrusted with helping to protect your fellow man. You know even the Bible says there's no greater love than a man would lay down his life for another. That's what these people are willing to do. So just like I said you gotta understand what you're getting into though when we when I first went to the academy have been a cop for almost twelve years and and we go in that first week and we've got discount class. It's he's a scientist by education and profession and have no idea where he wanted to be agent but there he is. He's top physical conditioning. He's he's Ace. And every tests were taking and then we go the pistol range and he stopped. He's like why do I need to know how to shoot a gun? He didn't know we carry guns. So you know. It wasn't the next day he just disappeared from academy packed up left. So you gotTa know what you're getting into but you don't be proud to serve you. Your fellow man. Are you GonNa get wealthy absolutely not? Are You GonNa Starve? Probably not you know you're going to each got to use your brain and not be a spendthrift. I know what you're getting into I. I'm reminded of religious philosophers words. Bob Dylan it may be the devil or it may be the Lord but you're GonNa have to serve. Somebody is right. That's right. Oh Yeah No. He said that gentleman. Is there anything else you guys would like to touch on before we wrap? Just WanNa thank y'all and I studied. It's it's been a been a great career. I've enjoyed it. Were enjoying the fruits of it right now but the very surprising way right I said. Yeah but and there's another say I don't know what the Mexican philosophers but you know what you gotta suffer to appreciate If you've never suffered you will never appreciate an information. E Yeah there. There is an old saying out there that says if you find a job you like you'll never work a day in your life. We found the jobs and it. Yeah we were both agents for both in law enforcement for thirty eight years each there wanted to retire from. Da Who knew this would come along down the road having said all that. Thank you very much for having us on. 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The King of Cocaine Pt. 2: Pablo Escobar

Kingpins

49:37 min | 10 months ago

The King of Cocaine Pt. 2: Pablo Escobar

"People may find offensive we advise extreme caution for children under thirteen. Due to the graphic nature of this kingpins crimes listener discretion is advised this episode includes discussions of murder torture and drug abuse that some we discussed in our last episode how Pablo Spent Three Years News I'm Howell heart and I'm Caitlyn he learned three important skills that would be key to his success smuggling bribery and murder this week will on legendary cocaine trafficker Pablo Escobar last week we heard about how Pablo's violent childhood informed his anti imperial witnessed the beginnings of Pablo's cocaine empire and how we expanded exponentially by joining forces with other Colombian drug traffickers heard and this is kingpins apar- cast original every Friday we journey inside the ranks of Organized Crime Rings From Street Gangs Oh boxy hatchback he was only about twenty six but he was already building his empire Pablo rolled forward for inspection Oh car and it's impatient driver but Pablo didn't mind his impatience at the checkpoint wasn't about the fear of being caught he was racing his cousin Gustavo to see who could get back to medigene with coca paste the fastest and Pablo hated to lose list ideals and attracted him to a criminal lifestyle during Pablo's early career between nineteen seventy one and nineteen seventy five listen border officials examined his Renault Pablo fidgeted impatiently he had good reason to be nervous is on the window frame as a border officials searched the interior of the car it felt like the official was moving as slowly as possible the moment the inspection was complete Pablo stepped on the gas forcing the officials to spring back they wouldn't forget this yet pins and all other podcast originals for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts to stream kingpins for free on spotify just open the APP and type kingpins in the search bar at podcast we're grateful for you our listeners you allow us to do what we love nineteen seventy-five Pablo knew he had to go into business for himself. If Pablo was running his own operation he would be able to call. I've let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram at par cast and twitter at podcast network and if you enjoyed today's episode the best all of the lives of infamous crime bosses will explore how money and power change them and how it changed the community around them you can find episodes of key years working as a fixer for Rafael Puente a contraband smuggler but after a bust almost got him arrested in around nineteen seventy four it's too mafia Osos to understand how a kingpin or Queen Pin Rises to the top of the underworld and why they fall as we there were a few kilograms of coca paste the raw material of cocaine stashed in the passenger side wheel Pablo tapped his finger has to help us is to leave a five star review. Wherever you're listening it really does help us? This is our second episode in a four episode series shots without directly handling illegal goods more power and money less risk he'd made enough money working for Rafael that he could other people to do the dirty work so he invested in an emerging market cocaine in nineteen seventy the United States government undesignated cocaine a controlled substance the new government rules made cocaine riskier to produce and distribute the higher risk meant the price ace skyrocketed for Pablo a single truck load of cocaine could make him as much money as an entire convoy of trucks full of other contraband he used the money he'd made smuggling as the seed investment to set up his own cocaine manufacturing infrastructure pulverized coca leaves and other chemicals including kerosene sulfuric acid and sodium bicarbonate combined these the first Pablo in his cousin Gustavo Galleria made plans to travel to Peru with a man who called himself hookah Raja the cockroach into their coca paste supplier further I order Pablo and Gustavo negotiated a price of sixty dollars per kilo the only wants the coca paste was safely stowed Pablo Gustavo headed for the Ecuadorian border but a few miles before the border crossing they pulled over substances form the active ingredient in white powder cocaine deep in the Peruvian jungle the cockroach introduced Pablo and Gustavo the cockroach new the best place to find the substance that would get his cocaine business off the ground coca paste coca paste is a mixture of had a small compartment in the front right fender of their yellow Renault four to smuggle the paced back to medicine so they only purchased a few kilos they drove into the jungle up ahead partially obscured in the jungle foliage was an identical yellow Renault for hatchbacks well identical except for a single detail the license plate Pablo Gustavo transferred the package out of the car with the order they repeated the same process with another car they'd predicted that driving with a native license plate would always raise less suspicion and Peruvian license plate into the car with an Ecuadorian licensed played they sailed through the Ecuadorian border when they approached the Colombian armed into a single giant industrial lab space to cook the coca paste into cocaine the second floor served as a live in apartment for the Workers Ngel neighborhood there and remodeled it to suit his specific illegal needs the entire first floor had been transformed forty kilos the tires were loaded inside a small single propeller airplane a Piper Cub Pablo had gotten the plane stripped down and once the cocaine was packaged it was packed inside scrapped airplane tires each tire could hold twenty two four at the airport workers would package the cocaine and label it with brand names of Pablo's choice usually gems like emerald and diamond means a week as Pablo's organization grew he expanded his fleet of cars so both he and Gustavo could drive at the same time they offer already see that this house wasn't sustainable long term he was already thinking bigger once Pablo's first batch of cocaine was synthesis runt they drove the coca paste into the small town of Belan on the western outskirts of Medellin Pablo had purchased a house in a resident so that the interior was basically just a pilot seat and console he also added an extra compartment for additional fuel the setup maximum cain quote is no more difficult than baking a cake all the windows in the house were covered to avoid alerting the neighbors but who Pablo referred to as the cooks Pablo had the kitchen outfitted with several old refrigerators re purposed as ovens so the loyd radar detection after landing the tires would be offloaded and taken to a dump unknown to the garbage truck driver a Miami net Pablo over two million dollars and the American market was hungry within months Pablo was sending two or three there's nothing Pablo could do about the intense chemical smell that wafted from the house even though Pablo was only making his first batch of cocaine he could hokey paste could be cooked in large batches according to Pablo's brother Roberto the several step chemical process of transforming the paste into powdered cocoa fifteen-year-old he'd been pursuing since she was thirteen Maria Victoria Henao Pablo moved his wife into a fine stucco house the employees of Pablo's would follow the truck to the dump collect the tires and bringing the drugs to distributors and just like that is he had to get it to the United States Pablo organized a system of trucks to transport the drugs from the laboratory and Belan to the airport James but Pablo wouldn't even consider it he had tasted the money and the power cocaine trafficking could provide and he would be hooked on it the shots Pablo stop driving and focused on expansion he replaced himself with several drivers who could smuggle coca paste intimate again by the truckload blows cocaine was being sold in the United States and money was headed back to Columbia Pablo use to make about to her hundred and fifty thousand dollars a month running the contraband caravans for Rafael Puente now a single airplane load of cocaine I stopped vulture on his route they told him to call his boss and vulture complied assuming they were expecting a bribe Pablo wasn't the wealthy neighborhood in Medellin he hired armed guards to protect him and his family he ate at the best restaurants and encouraged Maria to prize to receive vultures call this was business as usual in Columbia but when Pablo arrived he was arrested by to DAS agents shot that expensive boutiques Pablo's brother Roberto still handled Pablo's finances Roberto suggested Pablo toned down his lifestyle and and by nineteen seventy six Pablo was twenty six years old and living large in March he married the out of the drug business quickly he was making so much money you could stop working after a few months and their entire family could live comfortably for the rest of their lives the cried for hours that was how she learned that Pablo was a drug trafficker Pablo spent two months in jail waiting for trial he'd never anticipated a situation he couldn't buy his way out of love pleading frayed nerves and insomnia Pablo convinced Louis Vasko and he'll Berto Hernandez Pablo's mugshot after that arrest has become an infamous image he's grinning back prison but that wasn't the end of the story Louise Vasco and he'll Berto Hernandez the to DAS agents who originally the camera looking unsettling Lee pleased with himself that haunting photograph was published in the paper and his mother hey mills is the load the plane could carry without having to stop to refuel a single pilot would fly the plane all the way to Miami at a low altitude so he and his mother came up with a compromise they return to the jail a few days later with the x rays of a very sick person and vultures extravagant purchases did not go unnoticed the DAS opened an investigation and one day on which means vulture vulture was well paid and he spent his earnings on ostentatious clothes and an expensive car Pablo claimed they were his the judge took pity on Pablo and he was able to strike a deal no trial and Pablo stayed out of he had a relative who worked for Departamento Administrative Oh disagree dodd or das the Colombian equivalent to the FBI blows escape she insisted that Pablo returned to jail but Pablo wasn't about to play by the rules and risk a long prison sentence for the rest of his life things wouldn't stay rosy for Pablo forever in late nineteen seventy six he great the unnecessary humiliation a few days later the same DAS agents tried to kidnap another one of Pablo's workers but in Ted the agents were the ones who ended up kidnapped stories vary but Pablo's brother Roberto heard that the agents were brought to a strain bob they forced Pablo down on his knees they beat him Pablo was sure he was going to die so he began bargaining for us into an empire up next Pablo's diplomacy and leadership in crisis give birth to the we're used to sparingly and right now early in his career he needed partners cooperative allies could expand his business feared among Colombian traffickers and law enforcement alike Pablo's business mantra plotter aplomb oh silver or lead STA jailguard to let him take a stroll outside at night he disappeared off the grounds Pablo would have been content to simply return to work but is soccer field Pablo assumed he would be able to pay off the judge overseeing his case to assure an acquittal but his trial ended up schedule it was a relatively cushy situation the jail director allowed he mildew to deliver Pablo's meals and Pablo was allowed recreation on an outdoors about how many times they were shot but we do know they did not survive their abduction from then on Pablo's name was known and old in a military court military judges were notoriously difficult to corrupt now Pablo panicked throughout the late seventies Pablo Escobar built a cocaine pipeline from Colombia to the United States by early nineteen get caught up on kingpins for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts now back to the story arrested Pablo stopped him again a few months later but this time they didn't arrest him they kidnapped him and brought him to a remote garbage too mother he mildew wouldn't hear of it the director of the jail had bent the rules for both of them and she couldn't stand the thought that the kind director would be punished for eighty one when Pablo was thirty one he was among the biggest cocaine traffickers in Columbia but Pablo wasn't the biggest there when raced each other back to Medina on their supply runs from Peru but soon after that Pablo remembered why he'd started his own operation so he could call two hundred fifty people or the grizzly reign of terror of Lama Drina Griselda Blanco the cocaine godmother funneled cocaine for the mets Medellin cartel. Hi It's Kate and I have some great news for you as a thank you to our wonderful fans he had his first serious run in with law enforcement one of his drivers who ferried coca paste from Peru Colombia went by the name Garvey in house and forced to their knees we don't know for certain what happened to agents Louis Bosco and he'll Berto Hernandez there's not even a consensus Ian cartel into Miami and left a trail of blood for those who got in her way whether you're reliving these classic episodes of kingpins for several other traffickers moving the same product Pablo wise through a variety of methods the US market was big there was plenty of room for all of them but Pablo still considered these other traffickers his competition a fight over territory would have been inevitable until something unexpected about Martha's kidnapping he called everyone he knew in the cocaine trade to attend an open meeting at his luxury getaway Hacienda Napoli's his life the DAS agents ended up accepting an offer of a million pesos to let him live Pablo was a proud man he couldn't abide the disrespect of being put on his knees and beaten he accepted kidnapping for ransom as a regular part of business but he couldn't toller was the youngest sister in the Ocho of family her three brothers whore hey wanda feed and fabrio had inherited several businesses from there hearing these stories for the first time these seventeen episodes are available right now and don't worry we'll still be back every Friday with new stories of money defame and murder as we explore the rise and fall of the infamous kingpins and Queen Bins who run the criminal underworld in the meantime a couple of hours outside of Medellin the night of the meeting the massive compound was packed over two hundred people from humble Pie Martha surrendered and got into the car. It's zoomed off into the night Martha turnout because Martha's kidnapping was relevant to all of them the guerilla group who had taken Martha m nineteen had been kidnapping Pablo told the crowd that it was time to fight back he proposed that all the traffickers band together to form an army called for 'em nineteen they had the money to pay high ransoms and they were not likely to go to the police for help Pabo stood was a way of life for everyone who came in contact with him but Pablo never started with violence he knew that business was better when bullets university the University of Antioquia in Medellin it was a quiet evening she heard the sound of a car accelerating nearby Volta Listen to right now be sure to check out some of my favorite episodes like the ice man Richard Kuklinski who is said to have killed between one hundred and ninety them on the evening of November Twelfth Nineteen eighty-one Martha Ocho was walking across the campus of her McCain traffickers their families and key members of trafficking organizations for years kidnapping drug dealers was lucrative and low risk seen as children or he was quiet committed to his family and staunchly sober Pablo respected him when Pablo heard did looking at them Pablo didn't feel nervous he filled powerful he was always at his best in front of a captive audience beating car quickly overtook her the door opened and all she could see was the muzzle of an AK47 terrified ah yes retribution will fall on their comrades in jail and on their closest family members M A S was as we've released our entire back catalogue of kingpins episodes and you don't even need to do anything they're already in your feed that seventeen kingpins episodes that are available Tayo Sequester Doris abbreviated m a s the name translates to death to kidnappers all the traffickers hunt 'em nineteen the way M nineteen had been hunting them the first step was getting the word out copies of the MIS manifesto why when she turned around she could see the vehicle it was speeding right adder Martha ran for the safety of a building nearby but the Father Fabio senior including horse breeding restaurants and cocaine trafficking Pablo new Jorges from their soccer games on the streets of many good as their word within six weeks of that meeting at Hacienda Annapolis over one hundred members of m nineteen were dead Dan the hatch of the plane opened the leaflets fell from the sky covering the soccer pitch the announcement introduced the me as Lorde the enormous crowd he'd assembled which included all the important players in the industry their presence was proof of the influence and respect he command and their basic objective the public and immediate execution of all those involved in kidnappings beginning from the date of this incoming cocaine kingpin Pablo Escobar was waiting to cross the border between Peru and Ecuador in a yellow Renault four a small traffickers had another recourse beyond paying the ransom but the formation of mis had another unintended concept their deaths were public and gruesome reminiscent of the massacres committed during Laviola Zia the war ravaging Columbia when Pablo with the flower vase cut on December Thirtieth Nineteen eighty-one a hysterical woman was discovered chain to an iron gate with a sign around her neck or shot and marked with a sign of our group M. A. S. The missive urged the public to participate promising a reward of were loaded onto a plane it flew over a soccer field in Medellin where thousands of spectators were gathered to watch a game just as the match began eighteen had finally seen enough of its members mauled and dismembered they surrendered releasing Martha to her family in good listen small-time smugglers to powerful drug lords on par with Pablo arrived to take part in the proceedings Pablo received such a good eighty million pesos for any information that resulted in the capture of a kidnapper if finding the kidnappers themselves was not possible then according to the Russian statement forbade the killing of innocence and children the violence continued until February seventeenth nineteen eighty two when m night was born m nineteen members were slashed with machetes and left on display with a Colombian necktie or refashioned entirely condition Pablo's goal had been achieved m nineteen would think twice before kidnapping anyone else and if a kidnapping was perpetrated a communique they even went so far as to describe their methods promising that kidnappers will be hung from the trees in public parks gentrifying her as the wife of an m nineteen member who had kidnapped Martha Firsthand but the woman enter child were both spared the Ama as was present agreed to put two million pesos and ten SICARIO 's hit-men toward the cause together this newly formed army with years actively cooperated with each other according to Pablo's brother Roberto Escobar the term Medellin cartel was created many years later silence cocaine traffickers had realized that they were stronger when they worked together for the rest of the nineteen eighties the big medicine with new episodes get caught up on kingpins for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts it loaded onto big expensive speedboats and rushed to Florida another option was L. Bombard ao the bombardment the product moving because now he was flying product for all the cocaine manufacturers in Medellin Pablo might personally have four hundred kilos voted out with were relatively easy to land unnoticed they didn't require a long landing strip and their engines were pretty quiet DC3's to put on a plane but since he invested in larger planes he had plenty of space to carry additional product from his partners of course Bob blow demanded absolute loyalty if he had any reason to question that loyalty he would torture I ask questions later the US of course landing the planes was easier said than done the tiny prop planes that Pablo star ever not all members of the median cartel were exactly equal a medicine based pilot who went by Rubin started smuggling we're another story Pablo had a variety of solutions one of them was landing his planes Jamaica where he'd been able to pay off you're in simple everybody right from the start was afraid of him even later when they considered themselves friends everybody was afraid of him they could carry up to six thousand pounds of cargo Pablo went from two or three flights a week to keeping all the planes in his fleet constantly ears never considered themselves a formal organization they simply adhered to an understanding to cooperate and protect each other whenever possible supportive partner or a terror to his fellow traffickers business improved for everyone when they started working with Pablo by the early nineteen eighties best most efficient option was to land the planes directly in Florida Pablo's brother Roberto had a favorite landing strip hidden away in the everglades Coca Cola yen or USA the pilot would be supplied with the manifest and would deliver the proper brands to the proper distributors after landing in the but for the most part people stuck around because working with Pablo was extremely profitable whether Pablo could be packed inside sturdy military Duffel bags fitted with parachutes and dropped over designated sites like beaches or firms but the best Pablo had upgraded his fleet of prop planes to several DC3's passenger planes from the nineteen thirties and forties with a ninety five foot wingspan blow took thirty five percent of the profits from any cargo he transported suppliers product was marked with a different brand name Cain for Hayatullah in the mid seventies and ended up working more directly with Pablo in the early eighties he said that Pablo was a gangster enough bureaucrats and airport employees that the planes could land and unload at commercial airports with no interference from there the cocaine would way out in the swamp far from other residential areas there was a half built housing development called Golden glades the streets were paved before environmentalists won their fight and the project scrapped at night the empty streets became a private airport for Pablo's plan into normal products for this he hired the best chemical engineers from all over the world and brought them to specially designed labs in the Colombian the jungle these world class scientists developed a method to reverse ably liquefy cocaine once it was liquefied the code uh-huh Pablo also diversified into ships to sneak cocaine onto a cargo ship he had to disguise it by embedding gain could be added to Chilean wine chemically mixed with flowers or even soaked into bluejeans after the products arrived at their desks like washing process to draw out the cocaine from there the liquid cocaine would be processed into powder when there was less time for process nation they would be received by a front company that ostensibly had ordered a large shipment of blue jeans the jeans would be put through a specific zing Pablo had a more straightforward approach his engineers created an apparatus of PVC pipes that could hold about fifty kilos Florida would carry along a few extra kilos of cocaine the magnets holding the PVC pipes to the hall were remote controlled electro magnets piece the pipes would attach to the halls of the cargo ships with magnets without realizing it ships headed from the South American coast to is finally time to conquer his oldest dream it was time to run for public office Pablo Escobar was going to be apology at a designated location not too far from the shore but well before the ship docked the magnets would be deactivated the pipes therre sunken treasure with business booming like it never had before and emboldened by the backing from his peers Pablo decided it was would drop down to the ocean floor divers outside the shipping lane would wait for the ship to pass and then swim to the bottom to retrieve now back to the story in late nineteen eighty one Pablo Escobar was thirty two years old and at the p nations at best at worst total destruction but Pablo dismissed their concerns he viewed his political aspirations as there's his brother Roberto and his cousin Gustavo weren't supportive of his political aspirations they were proud of the cocaine trafficking operation uh of his power his cocaine empire was making him millions of dollars a week he had partners helping him expand across the US and even into Western Europe Pablo knew it was time to revisit his earliest dream politics he was sure he had the chops to become the president the primary representative if they're unable to appear in Congress Pablo ran alongside the primary candidate Jairo Ortega Pablo filled and more importantly Colombian law stipulated that members of Congress were immune from extradition so in late nineteen eighty-one of Columbia after all couldn't be harder than running a successful multimillion dollar cocaine business right Pablo's closest business partner the US was ready to capitalize on the extradition treaty they'd signed with Columbia in one thousand nine hundred seventy nine the extradition treaty meant that Colombian Traffic Pablo dove headfirst into his political campaign he was running as an alternate to the Congressional representative in the municipality of Indigo Doc for thousands of people mostly peasants who had no other means of survival but if he could secure a position in the government perhaps he could oh I want to help people the legal way and I'm going to stay away from drug trafficking in Pablo's is his cocaine operation provided they'd helped build and they knew their continued success depended on keeping a low profile the scrutiny of political campaign would bring complex occurs could be tried and sentenced in the US for their international drug sales when Reagan invoked national security he designated drug crimes but there was a loophole if Pablo was elected to the Colombian Congress he could advocate for Columbia to withdraw from the extradition treaty no matter where he was Pablo was always the center of attention for many generations Columbia had been governed by the same ruling class Russian alternates had a lower profile and weren't the public focus either during the campaign or during the term it was a good compromise POB confident that he could have won the primary seat himself but his choice to run for alternate indicates that he had internalized some of his brother Roberto's pleased for bigger and more important than his drug empire if he was successful as a politician maybe he wouldn't need the drug trade at all he told her Berto God would cause less damage Pablo always held his rallies in the poorest neighborhoods of his district thousands of people without shantytowns which constructed housing for poor people whose homes had been destroyed in a fire Pablo it also taking care of a myriad of individual these wealthy elites were known among the poor as men of always new leaders would be elected but they were always from the same bridge families provide for the poor in a legitimate way but his political aspirations may also have been driven by another more self serving factor a suburb outside Medellin in Columbia each representative is elected alongside running mate this alternate fills in for Pablo was already well known as a philanthropist responsible for meaningful projects like midein seemed to Gurus Medellin Hong two small children Pablo's young niece and nephew appeared on stage they were so tiny people in the back of the crowd couldn't even see them together the children sang a campaign song written by Pablo's mother Hey Melda and finally the man himself appeared on and their policies never supported Colombia's most vulnerable Pablo fashioned his campaign around differentiating himself from the usual suspects as on par with terrorism so of US law enforcement got their hands on Pablo he would be facing a lifetime in a US prison he presented himself like he could be just another man in the crowd many years ago he was in these moments before a cheering crowd of supporters honor with his slogan Pablo Escobar a man of the people a man of action a man of his word after the banners were show up next Pablo takes his first step toward becoming President of Columbia would gather hours ahead of time so they could get a coveted spot close to the stage before Pablo came on stage his campaign staff unfurled a banner there was pushing and shoving for position Pablo's bodyguards handed cashed everyone close in Pablo's orders they always gave extra stage in the same outfit he always wore tennis shoes jeans and a t-shirt his appearance was always spotless but casual thing Pablo always made sure there was shelter and food for the victims he even paid for engineers to advise on the reconstruction effort so that future in one thousand nine hundred eighty two president Ronald Reagan declared drug trafficking a threat to United States national security the urge others were big like lobbying to pull Columbia out of the extradition treaty with the US crowd ate it up like candy businessman generous philanthropist and passionate Columbia nationalist in April nineteen eighty three the magazine Simona label two young people and the elderly in March of nineteen eighty two Pablo was elected a deputy and to fit in among the wealthy ruling class his history as a drug trafficker would have to stay buried to pave the way for his congressional got to make a move into politics but hopefully without blowing the lid off his cocaine empire Roberto should have known better awful people running this country this is a fight between those powerful people and the poor and the weak people we have to start with that Charles who came to him for help he paid for tuition medical care for AIDS and cancer patients and whenever Medellin suffered a disaster like flood accepted drug money during their campaigns behind closed doors Laura was more forthright he knew Pablo was a drug trafficker and Benia was thirty-five handsome and already had a full term in the Senate under his belt he was another rising political star newly he was the one to bring the change in his speeches Pablo would tell the crowd about the future he saw I'm tired of the power favorable profiles of him he even founded a newspaper called Meddein's Sivy car and used to paint a portrait of himself as a clever Pablo the country's Robin Hood those who didn't already know Pablo as drug trafficker now new him as an up and coming politicals pointed to President Belisario Bayton Coors Cabinet as Minister of Justice and he had his sights set squarely on Pablo Escobar before then Pablo wore a cream suit his shirt open at the collar he looked downright flamboyant among the more conservative dark suits of his compatriots he was already a legend but that didn't translate to support nationwide congressman in Bogota Colombia's capital and as in all his business he didn't allow his emotions to play on the surface but everyone watching could see that he was a foreigner in a strange land after Pablo finished speaking his bodyguards would come on stage with suitcases full of money the crowd surged to closer to the stage Dr but there was one very important member of the government that saw right through Pablo's propaganda Rodrigo Lara Ortega his bodyguards crowding around him the observation deck was packed with press and spectators Pablo felt they were here to see newly elected Congress returned to session in the summer of Nineteen eighty-three Laura hinted in the press that the new congressman from Envigado headed he needed to wear a tie this kind of formality was exactly what Pablo wanted to eradicate from government but the doorman wouldn't budge there's Pablo had never felt more optimistic about his future and the future of Columbia he saw different world laid out before him her intended to make an example out of him word of Laura's accusations made their way to Pablo and his primary representative Jairo Ortega coached the door to the congressional chamber the Doorman stopped him from entering he hadn't adhered to the dress code if he wanted to enter none of the other congressmen and certainly not their alternates entered the building with bodyguards things got worse when Pablo finally Pablo borrowed a lively floral tie from one of his bodyguards and he was admitted to the Chamber Pablo took his place alongside hirer supercilious neighbor's home nerves started to get to him he chewed on his fingers then he pulled off the mandatory tie isn't going to change that when the sessions started Pablo's primary representative Jairo Ortega had the floor I in powerful doesn't mean you can abuse the poor some of Pablo's campaign promises were small like buying books for the local schools and painting the right as well have been a different planet from Pablo's Home Pablo knew that if he was going to change the system he would I have to learn to operate within it immediately he felt better Pablo knew who he was and why he was here of fancy congressional floor or a power hungry doorman up his claims about Pablo's actions as drug trafficker or he'd face a lawsuit he asked for evidence and he received it the photograph of a grinning self-satisfied criminal undid the entire narrative Pablo had spent nearly a year creating published a familiar photograph on their front page it was Pablo's nineteen seventy-six Mugshot from his very first cocaine arrest Ortega knew that Laura had made certain accusations about unsavory donations to his own campaign and he just wanted to set the record straight Laura Girl Ortega explained to his fellow congressman that the check was a campaign donation to Laura from a convicted drug trafficker back down from a fight Pablo would never admit it but he was rattled he pushed his way out of the building through thick crowd of reporters Ternate representative to the Colombian Congress it was an easy win Pablo knew he could depend on the support of the poor in Michigan where they made their own plans to strike back on August sixteenth one thousand nine hundred eighty three Pablo made his first congressional appear the ruinous story the story triggered another investigation into the deaths of the DAS agents that had gone after Pablo article described how Pablo had paid off judges to assure an acquittal and questioned why many of his criminal records were now missing Pablo's employees S. and his political enemies to perform a deep examination of his morality he had nothing to hide the subtext was clear he was not going was guilty of the same sin when order returned to the congressional floor Laura made a very polite and brief retort welcoming the press division interview he claimed his fortune came from construction but trying to avoid becoming like the political hypocrites he so desperately hated debut in the summer of Nineteen eighty-three Pablo initiated a major publicity campaign he hired PR experts and paid off journalists to write humiliation all the animals that populated Pablo Zoo at Hacienda Annapolis were repossessed by the Colombian government. Oh a new warrant was issued for Pablo's arrest and Lara requested that Congress revoked Pablo's immunity from extradition to add more aged in a battle to the death until it was too late Dan usually he loved an audience but he had never been in a situation where he didn't control all the variables he felt like an unwanted guest awar- Laura was fighting for the integrity of his country but Pablo was fighting for his life Laura wouldn't realize he was in on August twenty fifth nineteen eighty three nine days after Pablo's notorious Congressional debut the National Colombian newspaper El espectador blow had lost all public support his political career was over and he was a much more visible target for arrest and extradition favorite podcast originals like kingpins for free from your phone desktop or smart speaker to stream kingpins on spotify just open the APP everything Roberto and Gustavo had feared was coming true there is no backing down now Laura and Pablo were faced off and he'd come prepared at every seat there was a photocopy of a check for a million pesos written out to Pablo's nemesis Rodrigo Lara kingpins was created by Max Cutler is a production of cutler media

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Before the Medelln Cartel Pt. 4: Jung & Rivas

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Before the Medelln Cartel Pt. 4: Jung & Rivas

"On a Beautiful Bahamian Day and nineteen seventy eight. Carlos later was dressed as sharply as ever. He leaned back and smiled across the table at his business partner as he delivered the news George was out. Carlos was taking over upon hearing this George. Young's blood boiled. After all the being through the betrayal was unfathomable. He jumped up and flip the table over ignoring shocked. Gasps and stares from the other patrons Carlos couldn't do this he screened. They had built this business together. They were supposed to be brothers but Carlos just kept smiling. He chastised George. Don't make such a seen. This only made George Angrier. Suddenly to menacing bodyguards appeared on either side of him. Ready to haul him out back. Carlos smiled again and invited George to meet his new friends. As the men tightened their grips on his elbows. George realized for the first time he was out of his depth. Wilkin kingpins upon podcast original. I'm Alison Myrddin. And I'm Kate Leonard. Every Friday we journey inside the ranks of Organized Crime Rings From Street gangs to mafiosos to understand how a kingpin or Queen Pin Rises to the top of the underworld and why they fool as we follow the lives of infamous crime bosses. We'll explore. How money and power changed them. And how it's changed the community around them. You can find episodes of kingpins and all other park asked originals for free on spotify or wherever. You LISTEN TO PODCASTS. To stream kingpins for free on spotify. Just open the APP and type kingpins in the search bar. We're grateful for you listeners. You allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we doing reach out on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter at parts network. This is our final episode in a four part series about George Young and Carlos later us last week we learned how the to ambitious young smugglers became the most sought after a cocaine traffickers between Colombia and the US but this rapid escalation came at a cost straining both their mental health and their partnership. This week. We'll find out how greed and ambition got the better of both George and Carlos turning them from brothers into enemies and ultimately we'll learn how their riflery brought them down despite their perceived invincibility a by autumn of nineteen seventy seven. Thirty five year old. George Young and twenty eight year old Carlos later were millionaires and powerful junior partners in the Colombian cocaine business that would become known as the Medellin cartel. George had spent most of the summer ferrying cocaine from Miami to Los Angeles several times. A week. He'd return each trip with millions of dollars in cash for himself. Carlos and they Colombian suppliers including Pablo Escobar. Meanwhile Carlos had been expanding their network of suppliers and buying a Caribbean island. They could use as their base of operations though. They were raking in money. By nineteen seventy seven. Neither man was satisfied. In fact George was teetering on. Burn out he wanted to transition to a less risky managerial role hoping to cash out. Soon Carlos though had endless energy he was planning to build a cocaine empire on the Bahamian of Norman's Cay. Not only would it be a trafficking base but it would also be a springboard to finally kick start. His political ambitions long dreamed of becoming a mythical leader like Adolf Hitler Shea Guevarra Newman's key would be his first kingdom allowing him to launch a revolution that would take over Columbia and eventually install him as dictator all his years of half planning were giving way his unbridled ambition. The only problem for Carlos was George. His partner wasn't on board with the NORMANS key. Plan after he'd visited the island in the summer of nineteen seventy seven. It was clear that Georgia's vision of their future was a bit limited. It didn't help that. Carlos says new fugitive friend Robert VESCO piled onto Carlos's concerns insisting that George would hold him back Carlos knew he had a point but still the thought of confronting. George was uncomfortable. There was no way he wouldn't take it personally. So con- loose route that felt far easier and safer consolidate his empire to cut out his business partner. Then informed George a little insurance policy I Carlos got in touch with Richard Ba- relay their distributor in Los Angeles calls told Richard that from now on he was going to be supplying the pure cocaine using some other smugglers. George would still continue his runs because warned that he couldn't guarantee the quality of the product anymore. Richard had been in drug trafficking long enough to see through the lie but also knew better than to say anything. Carlos direct access to the best cocaine took precedence so richards loyalty to George took second place. This was business after all. It wasn't long before I could tell something was off. Richard began complaining that the quality of the cocaine George brought to him wasn't as good as it used to be. It had already been cut by the time it got to La. Certainly not the pure stuff they will used to. George was shocked with each run. Richards distaste for the lesser product grew. In fact. Sometimes he didn't even want the cocaine was offering. This odd behavior Causes George to Cool Carlos. Someone was messing with him. He worried either Richard or Pablo Escobar or someone else in many geen even worse. If Richard felt he could walk away from their supply that meant he was getting high quality cocaine from someone else but Carlos dismissed Georgia's concerns. Let Richard Complain. He wouldn't matter for much longer. Thanks to Norman's Cay. There operation would soon be moving a thousand kilos a week into the US easily. They'd have a lock on most of the cocaine supply in the country. George wasn't reassured. He had less faith in the normans key. Scheme and a nasty feeling that Carlos was being strict with him. Carlos is frequent visits to the island. Meant he was more removed from the day to day. Operation seemed increasingly less invested in it. Their business worked if they were both committed. And George just wasn't sure Carlos was anymore over the fall and winter of nineteen seventy seven Georgia's fears were born out. Carlos slowly pulled back on his regular responsibilities his attention instead to Norman's cay and vague promises for the future. The businesses upward climb suddenly evaporated before long Carlos had stopped arranging the cocaine deliveries and George couldn't get power players like Richard to buy from him anymore. Only able to sell ten all twenty kilos. At a time. Georgia's income took a nosedive. Fortunately George still had one key. Columbian contact his girlfriend. Merita was the sister-in-law of Umberto oils one of Pablo Escobar's close associates in the US. Thankfully George got along well with Umberto and when he and MIRTA ELOPE that fall. The two men became family. It was one small guaranteed that at least George would have a steady supply of cocaine to traffic but being married into an important cartel family also meant George had new reasons to doubt colonists reassurances about the future George heard stories through the grapevine and the more he heard about Carlos the angrier he got after Carlos had made his deal with Richard in A. He was pretty much free to do and build whatever he wanted. He had millions in cash the trust of Pablo Escobar relationships with plenty of greedy smugglers and an island in the Bahamas. He didn't have to answer to George anymore or anyone else for that matter with his men tool Roberts help Carlos poured money into no-man's key. He dredged marina turning it into a harbor for freighters and port dramatic seafront mansion that he called the volcano he was a king or at least he thought so and soon found himself surrounded by sycophants needless to say plenty of them encouraged his harebrained schemes. In one case when the islands few remaining neighbors began to complain about the increased Air Traffic Carlos concocted a plan to scare them off. A few days later of freshly blood-stained yacht was found floating just offshore. The neighbors took the Q and decided to spend time elsewhere colleagues. His antics went only exacerbated by the fact that almost all of his employees cocaine uses hiring on their newfound wealth and every drug they could get their hands. On the residents of Norman's Cay turned Carlos his property into a pleasure playground and for the first time Carlos lead himself enjoy it for most of his smuggling career. Carlos hadn't had much interest in the party culture that went with drugs. His mind had to stay shop for deals. But now on Newman's key he'd already made most of the big deals to ensure a thousand kilos a week moved from Columbia to the US. It was time to enjoy the fruits of his Labor. What started with a few lines of cocaine quickly became an addiction to Basuco a Colombian version of crack cocaine. The party's underlings through morphed into orgies before long it dawned on Carlos that he and he alone was the law on Norman's Cay but as collins was settling into his new role as a debaucherous dictator. George was back in the. Us hearing stories of his supposed partners astronomical success and in early one thousand nine hundred. Seventy eight George finally decided to do something about it. Coming up George and Carlos takeout hits on each other high listeners. Have you heard my new? Podcast series daily quote. It's a quick to three minute daily. Podcast aim to brighten your days and renew your outlook on life. Now more than ever self love and self care take top priority. Well we couldn't agree more. Every day on daily quote you'll be given a quote meant to motivate an uplift you'll also dive deeper into the context surrounding the quote learning more about its origin and the meaning behind it. It's impossible for me to choose a favorite quote so far perhaps because I'm just a little biased but we've already featured some incredibly inspirational quotes from a range of thoughtful people people like Nelson Mandela Truman capote Betty Smith Julia Child. And more whether you're jumpstarting the morning searching for that midday pick me up or trying to finish the evening off. Strong daily quote. Offer some of history's most inspirational quotes whenever you need them. The hundred sixty five days a year. Follow daily quote free on spotify or wherever. You get your podcasts now. Back to the story in early. Nineteen seventy eight thirty five year old. George Young decided to confront his duplicitous business partner. Twenty eight year old Carlos later George knew he'd been cut out of the cocaine trafficking operation they'd built together which George felt. He'd actually done the bulk of the work to create without Carlos even having the guts to tell him so george called his former sworn brother and told Carlos to meet him in Nassau. The two men met at the Holiday Inn vine the Bahamian capital the fanciest hotel in town and Carlos favorite sport before he even ordered a drink. Carlos knew what he tells George Sure. His soon to be ex partner wouldn't be happy but collars held all the power. Carlos laid out what he'd been up to for the last few months and how everything was set up for him to move on. George was appalled to find Carlos so blase about the whole thing. He didn't even seem sorry for lying leaving his partner. High and dry. The final Straw was college. His comment that Norman's Cay was his empire and there wasn't room for anyone else to help. Run it George. Lost it. He swore that Carlos would pay Carlos's ego and political ambitions. Made him think he was invincible. And George wanted to quash that he might have even swung at him if Carlos is to hulking. German bodyguards hadn't suddenly appeared as George was ushered out. Carlos just smiled. He wouldn't get his hands. Dirty bosses really do after that incident. Carlos figured he was done with George and turned his attention back to Norman's cay his trafficking business had become indispensable to both Pablo Escobar and his partners in the powerful or a family cocaine was pouring into the. Us and Carlos was taking home millions of dollars a week. But George who had a long road ahead to rebuild his own trafficking business. The constant praise for Carlos only stoked his resentment every time the Colombians introduced him as the guy who got Carlos into business. George felt he was losing their respect and his place in the industry. The only thing he could do was to prove that he too was indispensable to Pablo Escobar. It would require some sort of grand gesture something that would show. He wasn't afraid of the gossip or Carlos is growing power and so in late. One thousand nine hundred seventy eight. George got on a plane to medigene. George had seen his share fancy homes over the years but Pablo seven thousand Acre estate. Hacienda Napoli's was something else. It was armed to the teeth with machine gun. Toting men and the grounds were practically zoo with elephants and hippos wandering around. If the goal was to intimidate visitors hob blow had succeeded yet. Pablo was warm and welcoming. He wanted to meet George for a long time. It took guts for an American who only spoke basic Spanish to visit medicine and he was sympathetic. To Georgia's situation Pablo felt Carlos had wronged his former partner. That didn't mean he'd get involved in. The personal feud Pablo may not have liked Carlos. But he's still needed his services for the time being heat staying neutral still. The journey itself was enough to cement their relationship and show the industry that George still had. Pablo's blessing when George got back to Miami. He was pleased to find that. His stunt in Medellin jolted his business back to life. He contracted with new pilots new distributors and before long he was bringing in nearly as much as in the good old days but Kalos was still doing better. He was moving exponentially more cocaine and making exponentially more money and he was becoming a legend making a name for himself beyond just the Colombian circles. The general public started his stories about the crazy cocaine kingpin. Who owned the Lola's party island in the Bahamas and taunted the DA from afar all? The fanfare drove George Crazy. It just felt so unfair that all the work he done and all the messes he'd had to clean up. Carlos was the one who is a brilliant entrepreneur by nine thousand. Nine hundred seventy nine. George was still doing far. More than the estimated lethal amount of cocaine on a daily basis and his judgment was starting to become questionable at parties. He began boasting to his and meters friends which included associates of and Pablos that he was going to take a hit out on Carlos he was the reason for college is success and he promised that he could take it all away to as ensconced as he was in his. Norman's Cay Empire Carlos eventually heard about Georgia's threats at first. He dismissed them knowing that George was a veritable. Nobody now but when George kept talking smack Carlos started to get angry his ego which was getting bigger by the day couldn't stand someone else. Taking credit for his success. He was going to have to shut George up one afternoon. The Miami George got into his car only to realize heaping blocked in on three signs immediately. He knew something was wrong. He was a sitting duck for a gunman he reversed planning to plow through the small car behind him but then changed his mind. If that took too long it would still leave him exposed. He decided to make a break for it and jumped out of the car. He barely made it down the block when the car exploded had George stuck around any longer he would have died. Everyone agreed that Carlos must have been behind the car bombing. No one else had a reason to want George dead but instead of scaring George into submission the attempted murder only made him doubled down in fact it was the tipping point for him to finally follow through on his threats. George headed back to Boston. And early nineteen seventy nine and reconnected with a few mall. Guys he'd known from his Danbury days. They helped him put together. A team of military veterans to accompany him to Norman's cay where he wanted to carry out the hit in person. He wasn't sure if he actually wanted to kill Carlos but striking Carlos on his own territory would at least prove that George wouldn't be pushed around George gave them up team a one hundred and twenty five thousand dollar down payment to stuck up on grenades and bazookas to distract the guards while George took Carlos out himself but that was as far as the plot went when Umberto heard about the plans he scolded George for letting his emotions get the better of him. If he attacked Carlos it would start a war amongst the cartel in Colombia. That would get all of them and Umberto's family killed. George realized Burto was right. He was letting Carlos get in his head. His grudge had drawn him away from what he was best at smuggling drugs and making money let Carlos have his intrigue and Grand Schemes. George was done with that by nineteen eighty. George had refocused on his business and was doing well. He Mirta and their two daughters lived in a sprawling Mansion Cape Cod while his operation brought in millions of dollars a month but justice success had made Carlos Overconfident. It may george callous lavish lifestyle started to attract the attention of law enforcement in October. One Thousand Nine Hundred Eighty Cape. Cod police busted one of his party's and charged him with possession of eleven ounces of cocaine uninterested in doing ten years in prison George skipped bail and headed down to Florida with his family but life on the run wasn't as easy as it had been a decade earlier a year. Later in October eighty-one George was arrested in a traffic stop and sent back to Massachusetts to serve his time. Sure George was annoyed but he wasn't too worried he could afford a good lawyer and figured he'd be able to charm apologize his way out of a long sentence to be easy to jump back into business. Once he got out Carlos is luck was starting to change to right around the same time in. Nineteen eighty-one the corrupt Bahamian government including the prime minister. Who'd been on Carlos's payroll for years was starting to buckle under pressure from the? Us Government Bahamian. Prime Minister had held out and protected. It's drug traffickers for as long as possible but when the US started to publicize the extent of corruption in the Bahamas government. The prime minister caved soon. The Bahamas were cracking down on drug trafficking specifically focusing on Norman's Cay and the DA had one loss dimond to arrest and extradite Carlos. The Prime Minister reassured him. It wasn't personal which Carlos understood of course but it reminded him that his own success wasn't always the priority as one last favor the prime minister won't Carlos of the upcoming raids. Carlos had enough time to escape back to Colombia before law enforcement caught up with him as his airplane lifted off from his now empty island empire. Carlos tried to look on the bright side. Norman's Cay had been a nice distraction but it was time to get back to what mattered his political ambitions. Perhaps going back to Columbia was an opportunity in disguise. He had money and reputation. He could start laying the groundwork for the revolution he'd always wanted taking over. Columbia was the only way to prove he didn't have to bow to the DA. Once his country rallied behind him he would become an international figurehead. Unable to be pushed around. Coming up we'll find out how Carlos is Hubris ultimately brought him down and how George got the last laugh now back to the story at the end of Nineteen eighty-one thirty nine year old. George young and thirty two year old Carlos later had both fallen from their pedestals atop the cocaine trafficking industry while George spent the next few years in and out of prison. Kao's started building his next kingdom leading a successful revolution in war-torn Columbia was a tall order. The biggest problem was his main for Public. Support was also one of his closest business partners. Pablo ESCOBAR PABLO was popular powerful and successful and far less interested in the spotlight. Then in the success of his business he had worked hard to keep both his wealth and his cocaine operation from attracting attention instead cultivating a reputation as a self made Robin Hood. Who helped the poor? Carlos would have to work hard to match that reputation. His first step was create a home base a sprawling German style. Alpine resort called Persada Allamanah. Carlos poured three million dollars into Posada Mono- worth more than nine million dollars today. Having it constructed practically overnight if he couldn't have his island he wanted his ranch to be as impressive as Pablo's it also needed to serve as an effective base for trafficking operations which Were Still Humming a well oiled machine but Carlos also wanted Persona Allamanah to be an image to his idols. Hitler shake of Ara and now John Lennon Carlos had a garish life-sized naked statue of the recently murdered fetal built for the entrance to the estate. It was complete with a Nazi helmet. A bullet hole in the back and the Spanish word for peace on Lennon's hand to Carlos this all made perfect sense justice Carlos's profile was on the rise. Pablo Escobar announced a run for parliament. And then one Carlos decided. It was time to enact the next step of his plan. Carlos founded a Nazi inspired Nationalist Party the National Latin Movement. He began to hold grandiose rallies at which gave passionate speeches that parroted. Hitler's rhetoric Carlos focused on getting as much press as possible railing against the US and spouting every classic Nazi conspiracy theory. However he couldn't understand why his message about not extraditing drug criminals to the US wasn't getting wide support as Carlos was rallying the public US law enforcement hustled to build the case against him which had been open since Norman's Cay and what Carlos hadn't considered was how his showmanship might also embarrassed and annoy the Colombian government on September second nineteen eighty three. The Colombian Justice Minister signed the warrant for Carlos's arrest and extradition to the. Us barely two years. After his flight from Norman's Cay Carlos was once again forced to go into hiding this time in the haunt police Colombian furious at his own government's betrayal. Carlos had little to do except throw himself back into his cocaine trafficking operation. He knew how to bide his time. He would rebuild his empire under the radar and wait for the moment to reemerge but it had been years since Carlos had to manage the actual logistics of cocaine smuggling. It was a harsh wake-up call to realize he no longer had a monopoly on the market. He in George had pioneered now. Everyone was using private planes to smuggle cocaine to the US. Carlos is only advantages were his loyal relationships with Pablo and the Ocho. Us just twin. Carlos didn't think things could get worse. The Colombian justice minister was assassinated in April. One thousand nine hundred eighty four Pablo Escobar. Had the hit worried. That upstanding minister was becoming a threat. What Pablo hadn't considered was that he was declaring all out war on the Colombian government and that the government was going to retaliate. Suddenly Carlos. Pablo the OCHO. `As and all the rest of the cartel power players had targets on their backs. The government poured resources into the manhunt forcing all the kingpins to flee the country. Carlos thoughts escaping to Nicaragua might be better than hiding out in Columbia. He struck a deal with the Nicaraguan. Revolutionary guerillas known as the Sandinistas and got his smuggling flights going again from Nicaragua in base. But he still had his contacts in Colombia the Bahamas and the US as well as his reputation as one of the most reliable and effective traffickers in the game but being on the run proved hard for a narcissist like Carlos. He couldn't stand just disappear so instead of lying low he started his old preaching saying that Latin American countries shouldn't extradite to the US. He regularly contacted journalists published missives and went on the radio threatening Colombian and American officials alike. Kao's convinced himself that maintaining a high profile would help his business. It always had before but what he didn't realise was that it was now making him a liability to his partners as Carlos hopped around between Nicaragua Colombia and any country in the region who's dictator could be bought off. He found that his income was starting to struggle even though Pablo and all the others swore they were equal partners in the organization. Carlos couldn't shake the feeling that his stock was falling around the same time in one thousand nine hundred eighty five George was building his comeback. Yet again he escaped from prison and started planning one final trafficking job after several years behind bars. George had decided that he was ready to cash out of the drug industry for good all he needed was to get enough money to make it to Panama where his millions of dollars were stored in offshore accounts. Umberto promised him a three hundred kilo deal that would net him neely a million dollars. George contacted an acquaintance in Florida. A former keen to tap into drug money. He knew a couple of transport guys even better. The pilots hired had flown marijuana for George back in the late. Sixty s everything seems to be lining up and George had a good feeling in a couple months. He'd be basking on his own yacht in the Mediterranean but Georgia's luck had already run out the to transport. Guys were in fact undercover. Dea agents at first. They actually had no idea what George had been building over the past two decades and wouldn't have known had his old pilot buddy not told them as soon as the agents realize. George was one of the most well connected men in the cocaine trafficking world. They knew they'd hit the Jackpot that may on the day. Georgia's hoping to secure his escape. Money the a busted the whole operation. There was no talking his way onto the charges. This time George was sentenced to fifteen years in prison. There would be no payday in Panama and no quiet luxurious life on the Mediterranean. Just months into his sentence though. George heard through the prison grapevine that the FBI was hot on Carlos his tail and Mike cut a deal if someone could give them information. Naturally Georgia's old resentment bubbled up. He never been able to get back at Carlos for his betrayal. George had nothing left to lose so he contacted the FBI. The agents on the case were thrilled over the course of nearly two weeks. George told them everything he knew about his former friend and then he gave them an ace. He offered to personally help them catch Carlos. I the agents were wary of the offer. They've been chasing collars for years to no avail. It seemed unlikely George would do any better. But George countered. That Carlos was a man driven by his whims. He would come out into the open if he wanted to. And George knew exactly how to Bayton. The plan came together quickly the FBI would help. George set up a ruse that he'd been living lavishly in. The Caribbean word would get out to Carlos. Who'd have no reason to believe? George was involved with the feds George with then contact Carlos himself saying he had a hookup for a new business idea arms trading. He knew collars wouldn't be able to turn down such a lucrative opportunity which certainly appealed to his political delusions then when Carlos came to the meeting the FBI would arrest him. All the agents had to do was get the sign off from Washington. It would be a hard sell but if they wanted to get Carlos they were going to have to commit unbeknownst to the FBI. They weren't the only ones out to get Carlos in late. Nineteen eighty six. Carlos made a fatal mistake one day while hanging around at publicist estate townside medigene. He let his ego and machismo get the better of him. He shot one of Pablo's guys over meaningless argument to Pablo in the other cartel partners. It proved what they'd feared for a while. Carlos was an out of control liability by murdering one of Pablo's employees. He had just made himself. Expendable are on the morning of February. Fourth Nineteen eighty-seven while George in the FBI. Agents was still waiting for approval on their plan. Colombia law enforcement stormed Carlos. This estate outside many eating the Colombians wasted. No time in extraditing him and by that evening he was in. Da Custody in the US. Carlos was sure Pablo was the one who had given up his location although Pablo later wrote a public letter denying it. Caller swore up and down. He being framed but the DA wasn't interested. They had finally gotten their hands on one of the most wanted men in the world and they weren't letting him go. Carlos didn't stop trying to make a deal after all. That was always what he'd been best at that Spring before his trial. He wrote a letter to us. Vice President. George H W Bush. Who was leading Reagan so called war on drugs? Carlos offered to turn on the entire cocaine industry giving the US his full cooperation to bring in the other major players. Unfortunately Carlos the letter ended up in the newspaper which George obviously read though. He initially refused to testify against Carlos. There were still some honor amongst thieves after this. All questions of honor will off the table. Carlos certainly didn't have any so george reached out to Pablo before agreeing to testify against Carlos. He wanted to make sure he wasn't betraying the man who'd come to be known as the boss. Pablo immediately gave his blessing. George George went on to be one of the star witnesses in the trial against Carlos. His testimony was partially responsible for Carlos. His sentence of life without parole plus another one hundred and thirty five years. It took Carlos several years to find a loophole in order to strike deal and when he did it was by helping in the capture and conviction of Panamanian dictator Manuel Noriega Carlos was then moved into witness protection and his whereabouts are currently unknown Georgia's cooperation. Meanwhile got him out of prison in nineteen thousand nine but as much as he swore to himself that he was going to live a nice quiet life. He can never quite give up on the adrenaline of drug smuggling. He got back into the cannabis business and ended up back in jail Massachusetts. Less than five years later. Perhaps if George in Carlos's partnership hadn't fallen apart they could have ridden the wave of their success for longer if they're early astronomical profits hadn't gone to their heads. They might have allowed their differing philosophies to complement each other rather than drive them apart but then people who is satisfied with the status quo. Don't become the most innovative entrepreneurial duo in the history of cocaine trafficking Georgian. Carlos always wanted more from their lives and were willing to gamble everything. In order to achieve their ambitions the truth that Georgia and Carlos discovered is that more often than not the gambler loses. It was a wild ride while it lasted but in the end the life that gave them ultimately took it all away. Thanks again for listening to kingpins for more information on George Young and college later. Rivas among the many sources we used we found Bruce Portas book blow extremely helpful to our research. You can find more episodes of kingpins. And all other podcast originals. For Free on spotify not only does spotify already. Have all of your favorite music but now spotify is making it easy for you to enjoy all of your favorite podcast originals. Like kingpins for free from your phone. Desktop or smart speaker to stream kingpins on spotify just opening up and tied kingpins in the search bar and don't forget to follow us on facebook and Instagram at park cast and twitter at podcast network. We'll see you next time. Kingpins was created by Max Cutler and a podcast studios original executive produces include maxine Ron Cutler sound designed by Nick Johnson with production assistance by Ron Shapiro Carly Madden and Travis Clark. This episode of kingpins was written by Kate. Stolman with writing assistance by Kate. Gallagher and starts cake Leonard and Alistair Murdoch.

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E463 Land Cruisers, Leases, and Lindsay!

15 Minutes to Freedom: A Warrior’s Daily Focus on Journals and Meditations

35:38 min | 7 months ago

E463 Land Cruisers, Leases, and Lindsay!

"This is fifteen minutes of freedom. I'm Um your host Ryan idol and today a blast from the past back. My wife is here. Hello was up woman nothing. I'm back my game strong now because I have my own podcast so I know how this goes now and it's funny. I also also know that it's going to be the exact same because as we sit down here today and I'm like yeah. What are we doing today? Baby what are we talking about. He's like you never know. Don't worry about it I got it so the new me same version of fifty minutes to freedom where I never know what's going on and we just wing. It would be new meaning when we started when you we were like. Hey I want you to hop on the podcast. We're GonNa do this couples thing together. I was a little timid right. I'm not timid person to begin with but I I was not as confident with the Mike Is. I am now from putting in my own reps on my own podcast. We're suppose that make sense. I mean when you listen to your first fifteen minutes to freedom episode and then the the ones that you do now vastly different right new. I don't know listen that that's nonsense. I will tell you that if I listened to our first Spike House we did together like the first six months of our relationship right. We did that one way. Different than how we flow now fair. Mom excited to be back. This is nice kind of energetically is you're listening in Lindsay. When did I been going back and forth by cars and just random things right? I mean she's married to me We changed cars about as frequently as most people I think by new shoes one hundred percent I I I love cars. I can't get rid of that hobby or habit now. Granted we like my most. Recent acquisition is a nineteen ninety-three Toyota land. Cruiser you guys. It is atrocious and amazing at the same time and I say atrocious because aesthetically like the bones of it are great and and I get it but it's an nineteen ninety-four so like you get in it and it's like takes me back to high school right because I graduated a high school in two thousand however when you got a car like in my group of friends you gotTa used one so we started high school in Nineteen ninety-six so the things that people were driving by the time they got to sixteen where ninety four ninety five like. Nobody got a new car so it it takes me back. You just crossed. They're part of my soul. Why well well number one? It's a ninety three. It's not a ninety four. They'll give it an extra year right like that. That's where it starts. Secondly your friends were wealthy enough. They were driving landcruisers in ninety six. Well no not landcruisers but like the whole inside right like the dial radio and there's no like they had to have a CD player put what in it because it wasn't original and like the the slide for the temperature control. Get Out of here. Everything I've had recently of the last decade has been and digital or some kind of dial where you actually see what it is. This one is like no you gotta sliding the left. You're freezing too much of the right. You're dying fire. I know baby I know you love it but why don't you tell me why you love it now. Why even more so now so I bought it originally because as I wanted to flip it right I still have access to see what cards go through the auction for and have access to dealers license and things like that? And so being able to acquire this car for a whopping Ping right thirty five hundred four grand somewhere in there and looking at the auction seeing man these golden between sixty five hundred eighty five hundred bucks with two hundred twenty thousand thousand miles. And here's his version with one hundred thirty five thousand like this is a stone cold winner right. And so Dr we pick get up. It's raining out Lindsey John on the car we just gotten back from Atlanta. They've they're tired of being in the car. They don't give a shit about this car. They think it's ridiculous. Listen I'm like you don't understand so excited and I've I've never liked. Toyotas are not my thing. It's just like I'm I'm seeing it as a great in my mind at that point of money making opportunity and we go to pick up the car and it's actually all places Mansfield my hometown About forty five minutes. Maybe an hour from our house now and social driving a back Lynn. John are earn in her car and go ahead like. I don't know how quick this car is going to be like. Yeah he's telling me he's like so. We just wrote this check for this car. But I don't know if it's GonNa hit sixty on the highway. I'm corner you serious. 'cause we went to we went to lunch and of course I'm driving Jonah in front of him and he gets out as we go to little. The little train restaurant is where we went. And he's like man. This is little rougher than I thought is little rougher okay. What does that mean? I mean cars like that I expect to need a little. TLC right it. Just how how they work but I drive it home and I'm on the highway and I call you and you're already home Mike. This is amazing. It's quiet he's so excited comfortable. I'm driving eighty miles an hour and I fall in love with a car but Lindsay's original car that we still have a lease and we figured out that she drives more miles than we originally had thought. Yeah or calculation poor planning additional mile. She drives her not really giving a shit I like to. I like to run around and do things but also like you come to the office and the gym and home in their all in the same path breath. I've got the gym. The dogs the kid the office the groceries the stuff so like I just do a lot more running around then you do and while there's some truth to that like a lot of truth to that we also must admit that your ability to plan. Yeah I like to just wing it. Which is ironic? Because anytime I wanted to swing it in anything in life it makes you incredibly uncomfortable and you have A. You're you're winging it is not like. Yeah I WANNA go to whole foods today. You're winging is like like let's drive an hour to Mansfield and pick up a car that I've never seen and drive it home. It'd be like sure I can flip it. That's your winging it first day and so right. Her car is something I've been driving. We have another six months left on the lease. It's red. I drive a whopping ten miles a day now with the most I literally just like you just said I drive from the House to the gym and the gym to the office and then back home. I don't go anywhere. I don't really care as on the same strip. It's all on the same strip and so like you don't drive the Land Cruiser. Sir I'm GonNa save some miles on what we deem to be Lindy's really Lindsey has two cars now all the car. She's got her original sedan that she drives and it right it's a Mercedes Benz C. Class. That doesn't really matter and then we bought a Mercedes G. L. Diesel for her right for the secondary car. I got rid of my pick-up up truck bought the diesel. Look drive the C. Class to keep the milestone that just the way it works and in driving this beautiful Toyota. Lindsey enjoys and I have started to enjoy more having some sort of mindless show to watch in short periods periods of time for when Jonah goes to bed we WANNA unwind and all the things I fully know that blue light exposures bad for me at night I know I should have on my red red glasses. The block the blue light but right. It's it's like something that Linden. I've enjoyed doing together so I throw all caution. The wind and just live in the moment rebels here without are blue blue light glasses and just watch. TV until we're out of shows like it. She wants to watch dumb shit that I don't care about. He wants to watch dumb shit that I don't care care about. And so I- commandeer the remote as any good red blooded American male does and say look narcos. Looks like it's hot and grant not burqas been out for a long time I started. Your head is tilted until two because I feel like we we. We had some suggestions from some friends. And I'm like what about Narcos and we watched the preview view and you didn't say Shit and I'm like fuck it and put the remote down you're like I got us and then you started narcos eventually yes so watching in the first season has to do with Pablo Escobar which I knew nothing about him right a new high level or drug lord in Kingpin and all these things I didn't know him and granted it's a TV show so keep please give a mind. I realize the fact that some of it is fabricated for entertainment value. But the thing that's not fabricated is. The man was driving around or being driven around in Toyota land cruisers all the time all the time. That was the car and the funny thing is is. Is that the show. If you haven't watched narcos it puts in some of the real life photographs and interviews and newscasts of that time of Pablo Escobar. So they're legitimately driving around the same car that you're driving around close now close because fortunately or on at for me monetarily. Unfortunately a ninety three was a newer body style in the body saw. Change in ninety ninety. Two so ninety one before is what Pablo would have driven in those shows the classic Pablo and man. Do I love those but it I I also love what would we now have. And so now I want to get a license plate for that say the Pablo one or Escobar one. Somebody help me you. Please intervene because oddly enough to the car is white. Right as it's cocaine white in color the dumb Macedonia before me painted the front bumper white back act bumper white like there's some things for car enthusiasts out there press pause Google nineteen ninety-three Toyota land. Cruiser you'll see the front bumper back back in those days was black and the running. Boards were black and the tire wheel well. moldings were color matched right. They were white in a back rear bumper. And I get what someone was trying and do they painted it. But it was a a a mildly decent paying job and then they also took the dash off like the part of the dashes plastic not leather and painted it white as well right so this is just a straight a straight cocaine white landcruiser and of course the same time you. You may be familiar tuna listening in with our people's right since last time you've heard speed together. We have required a second pit. Bulls died which you know about? And we acquired Athena. We're sticking with the Greek theme and our families. She's our third pit bull. We've never had a female. I've never owned a female dog from like a puppy. Stage right my adopted a a female dog that came into the hospital once. It's part time that now lives with my ex husband but I was never really attached. She was always my ex-husband's dog. I was never really attach word. So Athena has joined the ranks of our Greek week theme and she has a little tank. Yeah she's going to be. I mean she's got a weird beautifully weird bill to her. Yes you're going to being long long and low riding big head. She's probably eighty five or ninety pounds. American bully style. Yeah if you happen to fall linzer social media whether facebook or instagram you'll see and she's she's a seven month old puppy is she's she's about seven or eight months old as as best as we can guess and she probably High Sixties Low oh seventies as far as the way goes girls pushing seventy for sure she solid. Our other dog is Roman who is Brown and he's STOIC. He the emperor is like a call for a long story. But the emperor is it's like the classic pit bull style right. He's a little taller. He's leaner he's still got that really sharp precision type ahead. I mean he just looks like Ahmad killer all the time and so we call him the emperor because for up until very recently right it seemed like he would sit on the couch and lean back and it was like he's a human but he's an elitist right. He just seemed like he's entitled Asshole inside cat. He's got some some royal blood or something in there. But after completing the the first season of Narcos and the second season of Narcos and then there's a third season of Narcos we've of course completed. All of them can't do anything half ass with the way that we know partially pregnant with us I get to thinking and write. It definitely need to hop on Netflix and watch season one of narcos just because because the character the plays Pablo Escobar. has this quiet no emotion kind of after you know yes escape and do some things the the second half the season. He's all alone all the time. More maybe season two. It doesn't matter he's alone and so I started looking at the emperor and I'm like his not the Emperor Escobar quietly. Robin quietly lurks around the corners of our home and he peaks in and he's pensive plans things and it's all internal and he's like this dog is Pablo Escobar incarnate link. Oh Jesus but he's super like ours and your Escobar is very very loyal to us. He is he he's loving. He's affection he still quiet. But the minute you cross him you die he is. He dies on lunches at your neck like he rips apart our front door the would around the door frame if somebody rings the doorbell. This dog is trying to kill you. Yeah about his his family if he would never hurt one of us. But if if this person you might leave with one less finger or toe for sure but we also found as we got tired of really Lindsey got tired of patching the front doors. Would we realized I realized I'm taking a full credit for this. Yes we will come back from the Grocery Store the Emperor Roman Aka Senor in your escobar is very very nervous apprehensive about these plastic grocery bags. Yes we are the ones that are killing the planet with plastic grocery bags but I use them for dog poop. You've I know it sucks because then I can't recycle them but we have them and so he will see that we're coming in and then take off and hide until the plastic. It's on making annoys. Yes so I have a great idea like when we leave the house. Why don't we put a plastic bag on the door handle to to keep them off the door? It's awesome the dog will not get by. He gives that door a wide berth. Now he barely goes on the carpet. That's in the foyer at. I have a feeling right with the a number of people that it showed on T. on narcos Pablo. Escobar was was great at suffocating. People's well he had a number of different ways of killing people. That's a stretch but I'll take it right and I think you know senior Escobar in our household the four legged tanned Senor Escobar has says old all members plastic bags wants to stay away. I love this because I know that we are not the only people that have nicknames and songs and like whole dialogues us of personalities for our pets and I think it's great like obviously Athena now is shark tank or the tank be baby shark. Short new shark NATO little dog and she got the shark thing because she snaps at her brother's feet all the time and she doesn't leave Malone Roman just wants to chill and of course Athena's like played with me play with me because she's a puppy and she snaps. You can hear her teeth at him to get his attention and so we call her baby shirk and of course she has the song right right. Everybody knows the baby shark song and it has turned into shark NATO because she gets outside and she just runs laps continuously until you call her in. We've got some interesting characters for pets we have. We have a large house right now. It feels like at large household of animals and this has been the most random ass long winded story. I don't even remember where we're really taking it. You kind of started with the car. Because righty you get the cars you get the fact of Tang it into narcos get the fact. WanNa flip the car. The fact of you know Lindsey not giving a damn about how many miles are on a lease and driving all over the place on our life right and then right we take so the G. L. ride the diesel the big SUV has check engine. Light comes on and it's due for service and some and things so we take it in and it needs seven or eight grand worth of stuff. They sent me that text messages and I was like Oh get out. And there's there's normal things right when when the diesels Zell's hit a certain mileage you have to replace the Ad Blue Tank you got. There's just things on a German automobile. That are out of warranty that you just have to expect as you buy one like I'm used to it from I'm being in that world but still seeing that services like man. Let's let me thank you for diagnosing it through the scheduled service but I'm GonNa take it somewhere else and have them do it without factory mercedes-benz he's been parts right. It's out of warranty so it's no big deal and so I've been trying to sell the Pablo Escobar car the Escobar one mobile and people will come and look at it because apparently these toyotas have a cult following. They have a really weird. Yeah Right. It's weird people that come in look at him like they haven't seen any of these people yet. Well it's not that they're strange in their appearance or who they are. But it's like they're a Namur by the car. They asked him really unique questions they show up they drive and they say yeah. Thank you like I'll let you know and I've been in car sales before I know that means you're not going to buy it and right okay right. It's it's like you think it's GonNa be something different when you show up or I don't know what these people stories are because it's a fucking nineteen ninety. Three Toyota Land Cruiser. Expect with one hundred thirty thirty nine thousand miles. Now one hundred forty. Because I've been driving it and there's pictures of everything like you. It's just an old car and I'm pricing and accordance of that right. I take picture the auction. What they go through the auction for and Blue Book and it doesn't matter all these people show up and they're not buying it? That's fine because it's given me an opportunity especially on the backside of narcos like I'm going to clean this up on the new back bumper from bumper running boards. It's actually the local Toyota dealership getting completely gone through slash taken apart slash repaired and made as new as possible. I'm probably GONNA go as far as putting new carpet in it and so now are thirty. Five hundred dollar purchase is turning into ten grand. I'm probably helped wrapped into to make it like I wanna but right now as I'm recording this if you hop on Ebay right now and type in nineteen ninety-three Toyota modeling cruiser. There's a white landcruiser with factory hundred. Forty six thousand miles three owner car that has had ten people a bit on and the biddings up to thirteen thousand five hundred dollars. That's crazy emmy at these things have such a weird following. And that's what I saw originally when I Public Co. paraffins I mean they could be. They've they very well could be. But that's a store. I don't even have like a Kuwait. A wrap this up like the we have and we're back. Yeah we have cars coming out of our rear end. None of them are what I want to drive. You've been listening around. Wanted Damn nine eleven. Turbo one of Rolls Royce Ghost. That's so I WANNA drive neither of which I care about. I just want you to have them so that they make you happy. I don't really care much what I drive. I'd like an SUV right. Because we've got two big pit bulls. I'm carrying Horsh it back and forth to the barn all the time our kids and only which absolutely means that every time we go somewhere we have a minimum of two. Oh friends typically like. Today I had the dogs the saddle both totes and three kids in the car will. There's some unique irony about this entire situation. The irony of this is you might not know as a avid listener to fifteen minutes of freedom but a nineteen ninety three no actually has a third row of seats does that attaches to the sides. Like it folds. It was strange looking. It was the very first time that a car Some early Land Rover discoveries. Did this but the seats actually split down the middle and fold up against ends the walls and you attach him so like hanging in there but if you were full downright the backseat fits two or three people yet. So the Land Cruiser Right Lindsay keep saying over and over and I don't care what driving don't care what it Dr. Mike Awesome like this Land Cruiser. I wear a situation for my. You know very piss poor decision with money a long time ago that we only pay cash Ashqar cars rally. I'll never alone car again. It's just not the way that I'm wired. I truly look at life now but if we can't afford to write a check for we just can't afford it which has been a brilliant way forcibly right. I mean this wasn't by choice originally but it's made me have a completely different relationship with money like when I look at cars. God's only twenty grand it's like e got the twenty grand check check for that. Yeah no if I want to come off twenty grand right now or whatever. The number is but Lindsey. Of course it's not one drive even getting it fixed. It has leather. It's Got Bluetooth. It's Got Bluetooth Stereo now. Yeah it's going to be by the time I get it back. It will drive as close to new as landcruiser can drive from nineteen ninety-three. Yeah I mean it's GonNa be awesome. It's just not something that I want to drive. So she does in fact care what she drives lives and she wants it to be more than just any SUV. Because I just solve both problems. realtime that's true and she's telling me no I don't I mean I. Yeah it's all good I get he what you want to drive a duly for awhile. I Still WanNa get a duly I would love and F. Three fifty diesel title platinum duly. So we're going to get a horse trailer with that because that's really like when you get a duly either on a cattle ranch or a bunch of horses and a big trailer and while that might be true literally for how I want to live life. What our family will eventually have and Somewhat spoiled by the nature of what I got to experience as a younger man working for the man that I work for he had something comparable and whether that inspires this or it just became accustomed to it. It's kind of all the same. I believe every household should have a luxury sedan for long cruising. I believe every every household should have a car that the wife drives whatever it is of her choosing within reason. I believe there should be sports car in the garage for the night. Saturday sunny days as you need a large UV with ample seating towing capability case. Right you WANNA take a long trip towboat. That's different than the than the suburban type of car. It could be a suburban. Okay and then I believe you need to have a pickup truck because we gotTA truck sedan an SUV and a sports car and probably a car car that you drive right it really makes no century drive an SUV. It just a story you tell yourself because like ninety percent of the time it is just you and John in that car and maybe shark NATO radio but shark NATO does not sit in the rear hatch anymore. She's too big she's to entitled. She jumps over the seat and she's trying to sit in the front she says John Lewis lap lap which is quickly getting ridiculous because she's seventy pounds at the rate in which Princess Athena there is growing. She's going to outweigh Jonah by Ed March. Yeah she's she's really packing on the LB's which I love. I want her. I want to get a pit bull sled. I want her to tow a sled around to talk to bulk up her shoulders. What have you have you? Should Google pit bulls pit bull exercises. I have and this is the same thing where you were like. He was buying her bully. Max food with protein powder and some vitamins end just all this stuff and that dog is seven months old and seventy andy pounds fully Max long time which I need to switch her food anyway so back to Blue Max because works. Yeah and the vitamin TABS. Yeah and the protein powder on top. I don't not much loves it. She comes in the morning jumps on my face with her. She's got like we call it. Mush like all the jowls and the the squishy face. She's such a block headed pit bull that she's got like she drools shoestring lasers like she's that Pitt Bull and so. She comes in the morning with her protein powder lips and she sets them on. My face always good when a lady comes and sets her lips on your lives. Lift on your face riding to take that for what it could mean to you. So right here here. We have this car conundrum. We have new animals. We have just things in the car can undermine it really that right. We're one happening is will get rid of couple cars. We'll get Lindsey what she wants. I'll drive Escobar one. And because at a big old for myself that I have to achieve some certain financial goals on on revenue and the upside of that is when I hit those numbers. All all by myself. I I from being the car world. I don't have any interest in buying a new car. Because the depreciation. I don't know how long I'll keep anything for but I'm a very specific silver on black nine eleven turbo that I want succeed manual red brake calipers right. Oh seven Oh eight oh nine even though yes. You're listening those the problematic years. I still love him because it was the the first nine eleven turbo that I got to drive as demo right. I remember very very clearly stout car-free yeah so that has to be a certain certain revenue by the end of March coach. And I so I get to suck it up and drive Escobar one. Pablo one reverend comment until the end of March. And then I probably won't ever want to get rid of it really really full owner for who knows roundup said that about like twelve cars. Assume you guys wouldn't believe and I might have done a rundown of your car's once upon a time on on this show but in in the six years that we've been together it has to be close to thirty cars. Oh Yeah Yeah Yeah for sure it. Just it's constant one for those of you that might have worked the car dealership world before and been fortunate to have a demo. I was really spoiled because I had right multiple seven-figure checkbook that allowed me to buy and sell whatever I wanted to drive whenever I got bored or something I would switch and and so that just became so much life and then I was you know blowing money like water always have two or three carson around right at one. Point had a a hummer a pickup truck. Shit AM FIVE PM W yeah couple motorcycles. Right to stuff like whatever I wanted to help on it. Yeah I mean whatever lessons learnt yeah for sure for sure. So that's it's basically it's one on the catch up with some more soft read on it. Were breaking away from the specific cadence in which these shows come out so as you're looking to write winner wins and accepts are gonNA come out. It's going to be like you used to be. There was always on Saturdays. And no all right like when Lindsay can make it in and when it fits our schedule and we have some stuff talk about where incidental reports about besides or an episode. Maybe it's once a week nick. Maybe it's twice a month. Who knows what will come of it? But I realized the air in my ways in breaking up fifteen minutes of freedom and and it wasn't so much that I needed to do that to learn things about myself and business and just life but I really felt like create a system in which I had to be slave to like. It wasn't fun anymore Am I come out. We ought to record episodes. We got her episodes needs to be something here on Saturday. Then I had to find guess all the time and it was like then I had two extra staff members helping create content for social media stuff up and while that's great and why love and Wa brought me to the right here. It's also not the premise for the show. Right the the daily shows for me are I share everybody the same format what. Why Lesson Learner? Apply the reason why you have enjoyed listen to this because I tell you what I'm going to talk about. I'll tell you the lesson I learned about it. Why tell you why it's GonNa matter to you the lesson that I learned about how you can apply to your life That formula works to keep people's attention it works in copyrighting works in sales. It works in podcasting. It works offer creation in like. That's just how our psyches work and the data shows have been more of just bring you a step closer to our lives. You can see right now. It's good but there's times where we've argued and you've been called grow paramus on the on the show with me and our relationship has always been good but right it's just That's normal couple of everybody else. So yeah what's interesting is speaking to Dalton one of my good friends and clients a day. He's like man. Urine Lindsay's relationship is like the ground work like the foundation like it inspired me to want something different than I had. I've honestly although I've heard that from a lot of people and say like both Linden I've obviously been in relationships before some of us were assholes and like doubled tripled up on them. Right just is to make sure when you're learning all the lessons are good but like our relationship as It's interesting home. Lindsay says like we have issues like everybody else. I don't think we do you. I don't I don't know I mean I. I know that my experience being married to you has been in vastly different and one hundred percent. Exactly what I thought marriage was going to be the first time I was married. Rod like this. This is our relationship. Is the relationship that I always had in my head right and I hate expectations because they always set you up. For disappointment it was what I would have preferred my relationship and marriage to be in my life and I'm actually grateful for having a failed marriage because it's allowed me to appreciate more of the type of relationship and openness honesty communications connection like pick fucking something that we have and so. It's nice to be aware of that because I think that a lot of people get stuck in comparing their relationship to others and then they forget. What's so great about the one that they're in? Yeah agree so I don't know I mean I think yeah we have little arguments and little disagreements in little tips and stuff but it's not it's very few and far between it's not that big of a deal and we have enough groundwork of communication and openness with each other that it goes away pretty quickly because we don't let it fester we just talk. I don't really even know what those tips are. No but I mean but they're like it's just grim pods singer right. You're crabby. You're being a bitch while you're being a Dick Dick I'm like fuck you. Whatever for like five minutes and we talk about it and it's done? Oh yeah that makes sense right. I mean this is not like over oversimplifying defying or making a relationship more grandiose just real like when someone says like well what do you guys fight about. Say nothing right after manufacturer like when I leave dishes in the sink. The we don't fight about it's conversations like hey you dumb ass like you almost expect it now. You know like the last week I sent you a picture and said like after the day before or head said sweetheart every single day I am putting away your stuff. You're Shaker Cups. You take out of your gym bag just put in the sink when you can put them in the dishwasher trade next there and every day. I'm putting away the blender from your brain fuel coffee. I am putting and cleaning out the coffee coffee pot and the things and washing it out like stop. I'm not your maid. I don't want to clean this up every day. You're capable of taking the thirty seconds. It it takes to put it in the dishwasher and wash out your shit and put the blender way that's it and so the next day it was all left out again and I took a picture of it and I'm like like other fucker. It's every goddamn day and I really sick of it so those are the things that like. Just deal with it. I'm kidding right. I've I've done. I've been more conscious of that on a daily basis. Certainly not perfect with it because I admittedly where I said I put so little value and then like it's like I think we should have a house person that comes and cleans up and the honesty the realness of that situation as you want somebody to come and do your half of the work. No I want someone to come and do one hundred percents were just period. And that's going to start with my half because I don't WanNa fucking yes so right. I just WanNa clue you in as you're listening for what's to come what to expect because Right I think as this season of life exists at least for me. It's breaking down those false pretenses of what has to be done and doing a hell of a lot more of what I want to do. Because there's this thing of like always pushing always working so hard always putting an hour's always grinding and hustling and I'll tell you I'm living. I'm the happiest I've lived not feeling obligated to work nearly as hard as I have felt in the past and I'm generating revenue. Oh and making an impact at a higher level I had before And so I like who knows. Stop this episode and literally pause and we're GONNA record a the second one right now because I have something else I want to talk about. It doesn't fit with the show so show of random shit that we've covered today. Yeah we're we're going to bid YOU ADIEU as you're listening to this this show and pause for second get a drink of water and I encourage you whenever the next show airs to tune in because there's an exciting announcement at least I'm excited about it and you're gonna WanNa probably hear about it. I like it. I don't know what it is. I mean I'm sure all right I know what it is but I'm not GonNa know what it is until we start recording the next episode. Look like bitch. You don't know I'm trying to episode by everyone.

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Warriors: Wa Shi

Encyclopedia Womannica

05:02 min | 6 months ago

Warriors: Wa Shi

"Hello from Wonder Media Network. I'm Jenny Kaplan and this is encyclopedia will Manteca in case. You're just tuning in. Here's the deal every weekday. We're telling the stories of women from throughout history and around the world. You may not know about the definitely should each month is being and this month you can talking about warriors women who stood up to fight for what they believed in for some that meant literally taking up arms for others that meant marching writing speaking up for the cause today. We're talking about a warrior who defended countless cities against a pirate scourge but the help of a legendary of Italian meet the noblewoman and General Washy Washy was born in fourteen ninety into southern China's minority Zhang People. Her father was a powerful nobleman of those wings. Send clam which had a long military tradition. Washy is noble. Blood kept her safe from going to war while she was growing up but she eagerly studied military tactics. There's Wong traditionally trained. They're women as warriors wash. She married nobleman named And together they have a son in the mid fifteen twenties. Send men rebelled against Chinese government endangering all along clans and the process to maintain stability wash. She's father had seven men killed. This left a power vacuum that washy filled. She took her late husband's place a local ruler and eventually became one of the most powerful drug lords over time washy grew more involved with the broader Chinese government in fifteen fifty three a band of pirates called the Wuku intensified raids along the country's southern coast. China had been struggling with these particular pirates. For centuries. The ruling dynasty was well aware of Bossi's military prowess and appointed her to help. Defeat the raiders. Washy let an army thousands of miles to defend the city of Jinchon way or Modern Day. Shanghai in the process. She rescued a key government official from an ambush. Why she went on to have several key victories because of the Jong's unique culture law. She's infantry was one of the most skilled in the country they were able to forage for Food and conditions that would have caused other talion star. It became known across land as both soldiers while she was able to deal the pirates their first major defeat she personally joined the fray despite the fact that she was nearly sixty years old at the time as the battle against the pirates continued another war waged within China's ruling class. A power quarrel ended with the death of the general who had recruited washy to fight while she then asked for permission to return home she lived for another year or passing away in fifteen sixty without someone skilled as washy to keep them in check. The pirates remained a regular threat for another twenty years after her death. A local temple was built or washy spirit. It was maintained for centuries while she is among the most famous. There's wrong women for her military genius for the countless lives. She saved tune in tomorrow to hear about another incredible warrior. Special THANKS TO LOSE. Kaplan my favorite sister and co-creator tomorrow before you go I wanNa tell you about a campaign that we're really excited about studies. Show that women and men are labeled differently in the workplace for the scene behavior due to unconscious gender bias and because biases are so ingrained in society even the most progressive among us are guilty of perpetuating the issue become a catalyst for change this international women's Day by joining the bias correct campaign catalyst dot org slash bias correct and by using the Hashtag biased. Correct I wanNA tell you about another show. I think you might like history is brutal beautiful and often ridiculous what do Pablo Escobar and hippos having comment. What's the deal with British lawyers and those weird wigs did a rainmaking super villain really almost drowns? San Diego join then Bolan and Noel Browne as they explore some of humanity's strangest silliest and most fascinating stories ridiculous history. Listen subscribed to ridiculous history wherever you listen to podcasts.

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Ep. 119 - The Guys Who Got Escobar

Heartland Radio 2.0

1:18:30 hr | 9 months ago

Ep. 119 - The Guys Who Got Escobar

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And it's Vegan Paleo and Kito friendly if it's time to focus on your health and fill your best athletic. Greens takes the guesswork out of everyday good health in does it without compromising taste or quality. That's very important to me. Why wouldn't you try it? JUMP OVER TO ATHLETIC GREENS DOT com slash slash heartland and claim our special offer today. Twenty free travel packs valued at seventy nine dollars with your first purchase that's athletic Greens dot com slash heartland start. Start Your Day right in good things follow. Let's go radio eighty. Oh here. We go welcome to heartland radio two point. Oh it's Wednesday for you it's Tuesday for US leisurely afternoon around the office half the crews on their way somewhere on a trip to ooh Pittsburgh to the Burgh that's right for the pit game going to be an exciting time for them as for us. We have an incredible interview setup. Today the two agents took down Pablo Escobar. Going to be talking to us on the phone. Let's go probably the majority of this episode everything we ever wanted to know about the cartel. Pablo Escobar these too bad asses that were portrayed in Narcos all that stuff on today's episode like an excited about it and I'm excited sided with the fact that my kill count on mices up to seven. Oh seven mice. Let's go hungry. It might be heard. I don't know eleven. I believe hundreds I bought a four more. I think so I think four more in your free. HFS initially initially. I thought well this is GonNa be plenty usually see one. There's about fifty in the wall so every time I've ever come my kids to three whatever and there's done and then Marnie I think we have like two hundred mice. I have seen so many. Yeah you're seeing the same one over and over true right so no way. We have termites mice. We might have two hundred mice at the Ray. I'm catching them. I literally will set them out in the two honey spots. I got that are hot right now but one the garage one in the corner behind the dryer launch around who within fifteen minutes. I have a mouse that fast full-fledged in filtration all traces it sounds like you're infestation Senator Levin Two Five T. You've got the taste of blood now. It's just a it's a sport I might get to the point point. Where why are you staying up a CAIRN to kill cam wildlife camps and set up like the put John Deere trails? Whatever you WANNA go shirtless and face paint and just go with the sharpened wooden spear and start digging the that's Shitty shitty movie? We watched Zombie to to shot double shot. John Double Double Tap tap tap how they have like zombies killed a week or whatever. Yeah I mean I think you should at this point that seven traps is enough traps. Let's get a little creative with your draft longest time. Todd criticized me and his father other because we're kind of like those way more so his father than me but people that are like let's protect the home that and he has a joke about his dad setting up his own private the jungle like Vietnam to protect his home. Todd's turning into that human now. My Dad was under attack. My Dad was showing off a shotgun in order to the hide. It in the kitchen. That's a little overbooked. I think whenever you wealth mouse you're probably going to be at that point. Maybe talking about putting face face paint on the sharp side. You don't have a shotgun attached to a string that is attached to the trap Louis at least just blowing through the wall. I think it's time I snake. We talked about this. You laughed it off. These are these are snake levels of mice. I would rather have a mice infestation. Would want snake in my house. It's the problem. Rob have a problem with stink right. Now I'm catching them in the laundry room. Okay so need us more in the laundry in the ground if you just keep the snake in London but accuser stay there. Yeah yes naked. If you see if you can strict it'll pull out if you if you get some call King walking strong and you call the bottom of your door so the state takin underneath refine do laundry just glaucous Parka. Snake just talk to the wait. No you have your laundry in the in the backyard on a in Washington in a hangar on a straight line no no no. He's got that Laundry Room this dog shows. Yeah so it's a it's a four investors. It's going to be interesting to say. I'm going to eight more traps on my way home today. If I go through them it might be time to call on a professional now. You gotta you gotTa under control. The snake is so you call snake like the professional. Here's probably though snakes. They act on on how hungry they are like. They're done for this going to be done for like a week. I don't know I think it'd the seasonal They're lazy they've keep that she called snakes. Lazy Su Let's see the video of the rat in the BOA constrictor in the cage. Like an eight one when they put another one in there and it lived in there for like two weeks ago so comfortable with the BOA constrictor. It's like literally sleeping on top of it until a one day course the snake. It's hungry again. No more rat. But that's how we see some less you get the Snake from Anaconda. That guy was a big snake. Michael Phelps snakes snake also amphibious like it was awesome in the river yes a lot. Lot of snakes the next What kind was that? Not a boa the founder of its navy. What was the the name of the movie so they they swim to watermark snakes? Do yes also. You're talking about what constricting snakes you don't want those. They a crush their prey. You want was actually doesn't swim. is a rattlesnake rattle fills with water and become cinderblock tied to their feet. Got When I was a kid. We're swimming in Lake Munro offer. My uncle's house built up there. And WE I. I came up from the water to cotton mouth right in front of me. Cotton Mouth Watermark is like the bad cotton mouth. Because that's it's tough to know I wouldn't see that I would feel I saw this. What did you do with a mouthful of cotton? I fucking screamed like a little girl and swam my ass off as fast. That's a kid with my life jacket which you'll get anywhere when you're trying to see so you turn away from the snake and swim. Oh yeah see I I probably would have done it back so I could at please keep keep is on it so I know where it's at maybe you know does not Jesus. My Dad killed my death. He grabbed this black like piece of PVC pipe or SABA was selena against the wall of the house about swimming. He was like Oh it was movie. So Gee it's coming after me. I swim into the back. And then my uncle pulls me up real fast and then writing me pulls me up my dad smacks this one. This is real. This was coming actually goes down and then came back up and just floated cook it. Now what do you mean nothing to eat a snake respect fucking snake no respect. Then then you take the skin off and it's like a trophy skin okay. How about a fake snake? act like a scarecrow scare the mice. Keep them more there. That's that's the floor you think it'll work like a warning snake at the very least scare morning with it. It'll be hilarious. I would think all the mouse blood would scare them off. There's literally a pool mouse web in that corner at this point switched on different room or something. Yeah Pretty Smart. Tricky smarter than you. I mean what are we. It's relatives saying the mice that we had in the pub exactly but Zito thinking thinking them being very fast for smart. It doesn't move quickly. What if you set up? What if you went to Walmart or something and you actually got the game mousetrap? The kid work. I've I've thought about making my own verbiage. The cage at the end is very finicky. And sometimes we'll fall down on its own uh-huh Gusta because the the the guy who jumps into the pool water uh-huh it gets a little antsy sometimes but still fucking so. Oh this spawn from like your dog. UGH Food being all over the garage. Think right I'm assuming that it was like. Hey this place. Got Lots of food laying around the floor. So why don't you just sacrifice that tub of dog food. Put it in the middle of laundry room and have all them trapped poison dog thirty of them in there. You should poison like the Japanese Bait. That's not a bad idea. What do you mean the Jeff Somehow thirty days that put it low enough to where they can't crawl out? Yeah because I don't know how they got in their bill ramp in uh-huh they must have been jumping off. That little bits sets is their whole jumping down in that thought about how they got in their build. The mirant in they can't get out because deep fall like you do with those ducks the ducks shut when you try ducks neighborhood bird. Those droning S. dot com. I think the rent I like this idea of best. I might try it. I tried doing that with water and put dog food in the floating bowl of water. You're big you're being. What if you can shave invite on your own pit of death? It was like a big been. Yeah with nails. In the the bottom we had various types of meat and cheese jumped talking about Co taught to get drunk one night and going there for some sausage. Fuck up his pat cheese. Yeah I don't know like I mean let's say I get. I mean I love it but if you come in the next show with that type of story I mean if you come in with like a keychain full of mouse skulls that would be awesome boys I which Dr her yeah. This is what I'll do. I'll get a little bucket. Put some dog food in their build. A little ran on a big bucket. Yeah Yeah like a five gallon one. They can't can't get out more more wide than his tall. Yeah I guess some metal those beer buckets to my work if I just put enough on the bottom. They could probably jump out of a beer but they can't jump. I forgot about that jumped out of the Big Walmart Stores Container. Yeah it does have to be else bleach. What have you been doing with the bodies set of bleach trapped in there and there's just all have is bunch of white mice now at least twice the bodies the chop chopsticks throughout the you? Just take the whole trap that they're still in it. You know all in the discharge it into a little plastic Walmart bag. Wrap it up though the church on the garage bodies in the backyard guard. Send a message. keep coming. See what's GonNa Happen. I should just put it on it. Like a cut off the heads and put them on stakes. Yeah telling you put them around the Oh perimeter of the House came around on your belt little jangle around when you need to instill fear into these because right now they own you I mean right now. They just think like their friends are leaving town. Yeah they're eating your food towns like spring break for these mice. They come in there banging everywhere. Todd's house yet. No what do what do you think they think. What about the other mice that don't come by at least some of the stories tragic stories? These kids tell their dad went to go get a pack of cigarettes never came back. This is the equivalent of that. I think nobody ever thinks about that. Just forget about what if your dad got murdered. Maybe maybe meant to go get the pack of cigarettes way back to be an awesome dad the rest of your life and he got out of -ducted murder are some really artistic mouse inside of your wall or whatever lose like making a horror film about this about the mice that leave and never come back. Yeah sending them one by one. Yeah you're right maybe you're it's like the Truman show mice at your house is probably one guy mouse who's is telling the other guy mouse Hey there's there's like a buffet over there you got this little dryer vent our side along. There's a little buff eighties. India Sisley food out on his plate. It's awesome and then he's going to get it down just him in a Harem of female might sit down across bass. Oh Oh I'm digging it though. It's I'm getting bored with the KILL YA I. I was against the killing but there's so many I can't keep track. You gotTA taste for it. Yeah now I've got the taste of blood. You got the bug. Get more creative yoga. I do have a Brad. NEALER IS GONNA go John. Shoot out far to get close but it makes even harder I know no. BB Gun real guns that thing. That's too much no probably cops would probably call it a mace. Like the night the knights used at the at the handle and the chain and spike take one zito sorts. Mike get the job done to. You should put used to build a maze and at the end. It's a trap. They do love me man. I could collect like a maze wall runner some of those hamster cages with the the maze inside and the little tunnels and stuff tubes. Wonder if those are like one way in situations because I could build you could be that way so they get in there and then I have like forty album trapped in the little quail. Then you start selling them to who people who are there. Yeah you can rank them to have a leaderboard probably have facebook Market Page from ice cream facility. Mice people's takes probably more like a back page thing. Yeah well yeah. Let's other snakes though underground myself. I think think we've got a business plan. Hear endless supply of free mice. One hundred percent profit outside the cost of building are trapping mechanism. That's also part of the fun here. I think I think we'll do it. 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We talk just briefly before you came on. Here's you know I'm a retired copper and Therefore I have a lot of questions. These guys big fans of the show. Nakos big we talk a lot about organized crime. Mostly I think because of the two Italian guy from Pittsburgh Russell cartel wise and other things so this is something we're very interested in just so you know so I can't thank you enough for coming on the show our players honestly honestly it is to get started. I want to know what each of you were doing with the DA. Like each one of you. What reassigned to to? What was your day to day before being tasked with this assignment? y'All are My my first before public or got to Columbia Lumbia nine thousand nine hundred eighty eight. I mean I was just doing regular type investigations. I've been there about two months and When my boss pretty much said Oh your your we're assigning the Pablo Invest Public Investigation. You know and I had heard of it Bob. I really wasn't you know into it so I've got Colds and Let's just started Going up to visit our We have a special task force and started just learning who I was. You know all the star member of the family the friends the societas just just learning just Just doing it. Twenty four hours which helped got me in the long run so basically just doing regular type investigation side until like data scientist case awesome. What about you see We were local cops before the federal agents and I've spent Miami In the late nineteen eighties. Quick Joint. You got baptized by fire and cocaine. Well you know what the as the local cow before I got the my most coke I've ever seen was two houses. Most coke at one time the first case like I work undercover on and Miami. We picked four hundred kilograms to eighty pounds so You know and I knew Pablo was active. Is it because he controlled south Florida at the time but I never had a case that directly directly impacting news cartel but we can get to that level and you know. Here's the funny thing when Hungary and I went to Columbia. You don't know what cases you're going to be assigned you get there and you you make people and you see who you kind of connect with and You know who you click with and how I got assigned was I I'm GonNa Guy Gary Sheridan and I was just fortunate enough to be teamed up with them. Okay so basically you're just you're kind of transferred or put at the the the field office there. It wasn't necessarily you weren't sent dare specifically to work on public I. It's a voluntary signed yet volunteer overseas. It gotcha now. Is it like you remember. It's I don't think it's like this now but it was ever a time where it's like Can like the military you you've got to do One tour out of country. At least when you first get started you gotta get done under your belt within a certain timeframe This is Basically you gotta you have to do for years domestic Anywhere in the stage. I did buy time in Austin Texas and after four years. You volunteer your side. You don't Get forced to go. Oh you have two long tear for it so I said everybody starts off. You GotTA learn the basics undercover how to make a case basically how to put the cuffs. It's on a guy then you You can put in for the foreign a real okay. So you you you put the work in domestically and develop your skills before you go to the big leagues eggs which would be a place like Columbia. Exactly what. And that's not why I wanted to do. The I learned the small stuff the small traffic. There's then I wants to see the major leagues work okay. It's funny it's funny. You say that because some guys that wanted to go overseas went home and told their wives. I'm I'm sorry Siamese there yeah. I bet you'll see in a year you know. I tried to fight against it but the job for our listeners. Some of them very young Here's a little education. This is what I gathered quickly. A quick synopsis of WHO Pablo Escobar was in the world during the eighties and nineties. He was responsible for eighty percents. Dance of the world's cocaine drug trafficking during that time eighty percent Forbes actually released an article in the ninety s at announced he was worth thirty billion dollars which I guess is son immediately said that's way too low. Don't insult us. He's worth way more than that He smuggled fifteen tons of cocaine a day traffic fifteen tons of cocaine a day during his his peak. I I don't know if this is true. Maybe you can tell me if it's true. He spent twenty five hundred dollars a month buying rubber bands to wrap his cash. Yeah we don't know if it's true that might be a Hollywood thankfully. Okay that might be a little Google flair for me. He offered to pay off the country of Colombia's national national debt. At one point I from what I understand right that is very true. We and Actually he wants to be president but he offered to pay their debt. Okay so so I want to dig deep into this investigation. Can you tell us overall like in the timeframe we're looking at how long this whole thing that you're about to describe to US took place. Yes yeah basically started really in the mid eighties and You had heard of Escobar but not that much touch then towards the the ladies when he really became a big when the the start of terrorism the narcoterrorism which he you know he started so then all of a sudden is who is this guy and like you mentioned you know responsible for eighty percent of the cocaine that was reaching the world's then like I said what what got everybody's attention was the terrorism The killing of politicians judges putting a bomb on commercial. They're lying in killing the next president of Columbia Just whoever got in his way that basically no one had ever seen a trafficker operate Like the way populist why did so that's what got everybody's attention to like this guy's controlled. There'd be daily occurrences where like that didn't happen. Yep Pablo score you know just put with a bomb on a commercial airline. You know people were just getting killed. And then those car bombs the famous car bombs and I tell people something I'll never forget because we had never seen the car bomb for so this guy was facing the mall where many bowl so that's what really set Pablo Escobar as being just a mass asked murderer in the kingdom cocaine X.. Rotation Okay I'm glad you mentioned the the term narcoterrorism because I think when a lot of people like it gets thrown around a lot in the news or whatever and I think that regular people associate that term with. Oh that's where yeah. The cartel helps fund terrorism them in the other side of the world. You know. He's hoping there helping Isis. And all that stuff where it actually refers to this new tactic. I guess you're saying he kinda developed where you kind of rule by fear or accomplish agenda and strengthen your your foothold within the area that you operate by committing terroristic acts against public look officials and then innocent people so that everybody's scared to death even mess with you right absolutely and you know what we give credit credit being the world's first Marco terrorist and even at the mountain ahead you know people say what's an Ark of terrorist it's just a narcotics trafficker the employee's terroristic activities in his business number. One did did anyone in his group. I wonder if some of these tactics are kind. Nine of military like but more like like rebels and guerrilla fighters us were. Were here anybody else in his group. trained leaned in that way. Were they ever part of a rebel force or anything in that area. Yep You know what you have a great question and a lot of people do not. Yeah no the at the original Trainers for how to place bombs came from Spain the terrorist group the ETA. Yea they're the ones who came to many. They taught us a car IOS or put Do the car bombs and then then we had also Israeli mercenaries and that's a proven Crew in fact they came into Magazine Day I should've training camp through narcotraffickers in the first ones were set a biased watch partner gather name was Gustav Rubio's got so they called him he They brought in about twelve guys in man. We you know. I mean They had training camps and it was just unbelievable. What they ah you like? You said ETA Spain Israeli mercenaries came into to teach them how to kill how to shoot how to place a lot Karenni to push. I had no idea. That's I mean that's a sophisticated network. That's almost probably rivaled. Columbia's own military. I am with might I would assume. That's that's like a sizable force. Reckon with Ya. This were top delete forces are like they said and I remember Like I said this Radio Mercer we really got into it. We had people who participated in this training and the jungles and so we knew exactly What they were doing? A lot of this guy's got indicted Remember there was colonel by name year Klein But nothing never happened. They never brought him back to a Columbia but Yeah this guy's an money was no problem. You know in Gotcha really asked what I Barnard was credited credited with he was the military arm of of the cartel so a lot of that that trading did take place. It's fascinating fascinating. Aw I absolutely pity the full full in this case is me and anyone else with with tremendous credit card debt. Oh because that's a game that you cannot wind nope nowadays they include a little break down and show you how only paying the minimum payments means. You'll be paying off for decades. 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Steve where are you from originally from Tennessee. But I went to high school and college in West Virginia some kind of across between between a redneck and hillbilly well. That's what I thought what. What kind of culture shock takes place when you get shipped to Columbia? And you're thrown into basically leave the father of narco-terrorism your scientists to dwelling in that world and take this person down and have to work with these local authorities and military people in order to accomplish it. You know. That's a really good question because here I go from being a small town cop. I was a uniform cop for for almost twelve years before I joined the EA. And I go to Miami and the senior agents we go grab lunch together and they would take me to these restaurants where nobody Sukey Lewis. The Menus are in Spanish. And I'm thinking what the hell do we. We cross the Bridgeton go to Cuba and just perfect example. How naive I was when? Oh I got down here about the cultures You know I was being redneck about everything you're in my country. You need to learn to speak my language but through you know through experience awesome and living there and becoming accustomed to it and e mail me out a little bit quit being such a jerk about everything My wife and I we ended up having a blast in south Florida Florida and then that just kind of lead us into To Columbia a few years later so it all worked out but I tell you I was. It was talking about fish out of water. That was me yeah. I can't even imagine it'd be the same for me. This born and raised Indiana. You had a semi over there. I'd I'd probably lose my mind. I had trouble enough dealing like like I knew like the people I worked against here. I grew up with math people. Half my family's in prison for math. I'm like Oh yeah these people along with these people almost awesome some level but to go out and have to do that. And then here's the other thing for both of you and I'll let you answer the your your portion. I first this really wasn't there was really no template. I assume for this type of investigation I assume traditionally it was. You worked through Miami or another hub city and then you you worked through a wiretap or whatever and then tied in source maybe to the cartel over the phones. Pick them up when they came to visit in the state or something like that. Wasn't this the first time that you actually took the fight to them. Yeah Great Yeah wow this is yeah. This is the first time of of many things that occurred. First of all we were embedded with our with specialized group. We lived with them. We stayed there. He did everything with them. which is what helped us because we were there for firsthand information Then like sit Miami Miami was Escobar's playground. So he had a lot of people so everybody Miami was concentrating on on his organization. So that made a big difference in like you said hid in living with that specialized group COPS. I mean that that was Really what did it for us because you were there first. Hand Information you've got to a witness you got to see we've not an operations we tell people we weren't awesome would you How else are you going to gain the cops respect? So I said I'll I'm GONNA stay behind. Yeah so we. We broke policies rules. Who'd never broke the law but less it? That's one of the first that that helped us in in eventually You know getting this carry so that was very bored by just being there with a cop working with okay well speaking of having been a roles and be somewhat lot flexible in order to get your job. No you never broken you but I want people to understand like you guys were were fighting in a real monster who obviously had no rules who really operated with impunity in this part of the world where corruption exists within law enforcement within the military so what. What's the mindset going into that and tell me how horrific this guy really was? I mean the brutality represented in the TV series Netflix. And everything that you read about outing is one thing but you guys were actually there to see what was going on so tell us a little bit about what you're seeing on that end of things. Well Yeah for many times get down there. There were Africa been there for a while the mindset at at various times was what the hell on here. You know. You're the only have your might be back in. Either he'd been met with me or he'd been voted and you know you're the only two guys in the world at like that and and it was exciting. I mean it's you know there's nothing heroic about what we did. It's just we did our job just like you did just like every other comparable does wait. Steve Stop Stop before second. There is a difference. I know my job had its problems and it. It was dangerous at times or whatever but please understand you guys over little extra credit there to be the only two representatives of our country as law enforcement officials in Colombia and in the eighties nineties. With all that was going on there and fighting the world's worst monster of the time I mean you deserve a little a little credit a a little pat on the back for yourselves for that and I assume you witnessed like these. These murders happened in public just to make doc examples like the car bombings. You were talking about all these things are going on. He put bounties on the local police officers right. It was having them not owned by one hundred dollars a head for the killing of any police officer which you know it's it's obviously it's pathetic but you know thousands of police officers. I died at the bounties My my biggest fear or whatever I I remember being the worst. We're just two car bombs because Oh you never knew where he was placed him. I mean he was putting them right outside our police base. We where we live when you take off on convoys you know I had a couple of my buddies is kill by Escobar But it was just then all of a sudden the innocent people. What what are they have to do with this? Nothing right but that was going to think you you mentioned that earlier this WanNa people scared of him in basically. That's what we attribute the first Time he won when he surrendered that people were just scared of him. And you know what but then if you look at the other side of the coin also it's like you know there were times where I would just say you know what this guy surrender. That's all go home. People will live you get tired. You get scared you get you know. Sometimes he loses at that bigger but again you would always always would always come back. I assume Yeah Steve Did public are known. And you tour. Yeah no no he wasn t you know we were listening to conversations and we hardly make reference this is a two gringos. We heard mentioned the names opinion Murphy and you know we joke around with people. This isn't like that TV show tears where you WANNA go into bar and everybody by knows your name. This is the guy you don't want but s pathetic is what you just told you about one hundred dollars price tag on a police officer He. He put price tags on our heads as well and it was three hundred thousand dollars each. Wow so I don't know what that we equate to in today's terms but at the same token I just want to clarify that probably the biggest threat faced that that three hundred thousand dollar bounty. Is it my wife would kill much sleep because I was once more dead than alive. Yeah yeah well. My first two wives each one of them was dumbfounded. Yeah for sure were there any actual attempts made on your lives. Well Yeah your first one right. Apartments twice The first kind of weird. Yeah I gotTa compromise vases are you at the at the apartments that you need to get out of there right away. I took Gov right away. So he's all they did move me to another department and then the second threat moving in unlucky you know what because at that time they would Force you to leave Columbia's our flocking not get transferred I didn't WanNa leave Columbia but Yeah it was scary at times and you know the SICARIO the mindset was car you is. They're they're in love with Pablo while they'll take orders they don't care they you know on this I call them the fifteen sixteen seventeen. That was his You know his heart of his Makarios wore this young thugs who were brainwashed by Pablo in you know. I talked to one woman and I'll never forget. You know what he told me. Just you know what I love. Well you know he has taken me give me money take my family out of the Slums magazine. So my allegiance. I'M GONNA dive Pablo Squash so when you guys were I sent there. You said you. Obviously you didn't know that much about him you go and you learn you see all these terrible things he's doing and then and He becomes familiar with you guys as well He obviously puts a bounty on you attempts on your life. Did it ever become personal at some point. Where like all right now? We got to catch this guy. A couple of my buddies pass away like you said it did it become personal Very much so it was in there. Used to be a saying in the the end it was like you know what we're not here to seize money. WE'RE NOT HERE TO CEASE OAK we're here to kill Pablo Escobar. And that was that that personal revenge Gave Him. Yeah I it it was person like I lost a couple of good buddies and And Stephen. I went to a funeral and we had never seen got eight confidence in the church. The major with a good friend of mine. I mean how you never like. Wow you just would just off things that is just that will stay with us. The rest of the lines. I can't imagine so when they moved you out of the apartments when they had a hit on your on your wives was because they heard your name over a phone tap Zapper or a over a tape or something like that. That's how they got tipped off that you need to leave the apartment. Yeah that was the first one came from a phone a phone intercept. Yeah you know what. That's kind of scary. 'cause I like I tell people use type signatures life phones. Do not absolutely. Yeah I mean you guys. I'm I'm still trying to wrap my head around this and I've seen the series and I read about this before the both of you but the mindset. He said after a while. I guess you get so like you're so invested you've got friends who've been murdered at his hand or by Biz Beck and call and he arranges his own surrender. The first time you guys are deep. You've been working this investigation longtime like you said you're very tired. And then the the country of Colombia and I guess also probably United States had to sign off on that but just allow him to build his own prison was that represented correctly in the TV. Yeah yeah that that that was correct if I was there When that happened and everybody was like what what is Columbia? Doing then and Tim Surrender. And I'll never forget it. Basically it. Was You know we had lost at public warhead one. Nobody's like that deal will of The US was very much against it. but you know what if you look at the other side of the coin where the Gummer Columbia. You're saying we are. Just you know just tired while your trousers were tired of Pablo Escobar. While there's people getting killed so I you know I said I'm I'm not saying that was the right thing for them to do what I can see their point being that you know the bombing is going to stop and it did stop. He surrendered bombs. One no way killing saloon away traffic and continue but in some people were were being saved. But then you're right. We did not like that deal. US did not like it. But obviously the Colombians That was their Their agreement and it was all because of the terrorism. And I think you said it earlier earlier making people afraid until they say you know what. Let him do whatever he wants to Yeah I got an answer for you. I don't know how to do this Ad. Read it's supposed to be an ad read but they're not really not not really selling anything. Well you know how like Zito was having to jumpstart its car every day we gotta work jump started in order to get home and he ed witched embarrassed lead to get the video of pushing. These carts drive basically had the The paddles that you put on your chest. I car that every single day. Everything the day. The the fine people advance auto parts and now it's twenty degrees out. Yes saw this. They went to get a new battery. They found out what was going on somebody. There saw video and because of that. They're like listen. We Love Zito. 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Well yeah talking about his surrender I got to Colombia's publish. So what I like to tell people is he heard Murphy was in town. We might as well just give it up and so this was And I have a book out. It's this may be in the book even real quickly like let me. You mentioned the book because I I need people to hear this a couple of times but it's called manhunter how we took down Pablo Escobar an oath available on Amazon Google Books Audubon everywhere or you can download books or any store Barnes and noble. All of them where you can buy book physically. Obviously this is a mystery. Yes people can already tell. We're hooked already. I didn't mean to interrupt you but I should've said at the beginning we'll get to it a couple more times because when I first became a cop. People were like veterans that were on there were startled journal because you your career is going to be worth the amount of stories you have to tell after if you don't. You're not going to get rich. You're not gonNA be able to retire wealthy but you're gonNA have a bunch of cool stories if you if you were to kind of career that you should and and you guys trump them off. I mean this. This case is incredible. So you're there and you're you're kind of like make peace with the fact that He's not getting what he deserves. But at least the killings have stopped in the terroristic acts the his his cartel was committing have stopped and and then comes to a point. Where back in business right right he was he? So he surrenders there you know I also mentioned is that when that first week I was in the embassy and admit Havi when when publisher read it right. The world's biggest cocaine just surrendered but what I saw disappointment. You know Higher His partner Gary were dejected. About everything the cops weren't happy and then that's when I really started learning about what had gone on and found out about at this ridiculous deal and Ham being allowed to this so when he gets in there you know have you told you. The murders did stop the bombings. Murders and stuff but the bombing stopped at least so innocent people were not being targeted like before but and think about this guy the deal he only has to do five years in a custom built prison. Resin which we've proven to the world was not a prison was a country club he had had it. I mean he gets to keep everything comes. He's a free man. He's absolve every other crime you ever committed committed in his life including thousands of murders there were no stipulations. Take any of the assets he gets to keep the thirty billion dollars TS. We all know his his ego. Got The best of He'd liked that power that control over people and you know Before is up. That's when he brought them uncommon Gagliano brothers Dan because he was pissed off at them about some money that was found ends up murdering them in the prison. And then that's what led to the United States dates on the government of Colombia. Hey you gotta get this guy to that joke of a prison real prison. Of course we all know. That's what led to the escape so he was really only in prison for one year. Wow and then. He's on the Lam but how it was really the lamb. I mean he was so powerful at the time they still pretty comfortably right. Yeah the the second time was when Stephen. I moved into the Mediterranean and work with the Cops full-time the first time. It was I there for a day or two days and then I leave because it was dangerous The second time is really what What did it where we we? We live with our group we have specialized group of guys their mission and we stayed there with You know Day In day out which is What really helped us? But you know I'll be honest. When he escaped? Everybody was happy. Happy wild it was a great feeling and it was like a we see and either we gotta get him this time so it was just a renewed. Our everybody was excited excited It was just one of those where we have another shot. Basically now did he become worse. Was He more even more violent this time or because he was kind of having to to stay hidden. Was it a little better around great question. Oh okay great You've got some good research. That's the beginning man we. We should've had it. We had it located many times He was running. He really was trying to get established Alba's in but he he like you said and I think by US really putting that full court press on him where going after everybody either in the. US I it was baking. Make a difference and then also you know we you know we talk about. Did you mentioned that in the book. the other factor. And you can't deny it as part of history but it's a group called peppis That came into being gene. Also which had a very negative effect on on Escobar was Basically traffickers at work for like Steve mentioned won't count on two of his top aides when this war got mad at him he kills so their traffickers who work for all got together and decided the two after a squad dirty. They're trying to kill him. His family Anybody associated with populist which also made a difference so now I wasn't just just running from you guys and having the hide from you guys he was having the to basically keep from getting murdered by this other right so when this is this is the meat of. I assume what most of the book is about is the second phase the investigation. was there these people people you worked with the the special group that was that was formed. That you guys a task force or whatever that you worked with there was like I. I don't mean to to offend the people of Colombia. From that time I mean obviously there was corruption and things going on but also there were these countless number of officers. That were making enough money that you would even scoff at the fact that you know. They didn't take a bribe. Like you probably should good if you didn't make enough money. But yet they fought every day some of them lost their lives and they stayed committed to ridding the world of Pablo Escobar. How does that happen is that just like faction of Columbia? Just you know we're like hey we don't want cocaine. We don't like what these these traffickers are doing to our country They just from that moulder. What's going on there? It is the and this was kind of our opening for me. When I got to Columbia you only Colombians? I've ever met were the ones that put jail in south Florida. You know and and is wrong isn't this. Is You tend to stigmatize or an entire country because you met a few bad apples. So what my wife Hyphen. I found when we got to Colombia's that if you go down with an open attitude and try to get along you try to understand the year in their culture not your own culture you know and you try try to speak and the and you just want to be part of their community. There are some of the most accepting nicest people world you know. There's just it's just that ED little small faction of a percentage of the drug traffickers and of course they've got the they got the terrorist groups insurgent groups down there park and the L. A. and on and maintain all those groups as well but real Colombians are nice people. They're hardworking people. They're proud I tell you what if you go down there and act like the only American. They'll tell you real quick where to get off if you if you go down there with an open attitude try to get along. We were just shocked at just pleasantly shocked at how nice it was down there. And what about heroes from there like Kiki Camarena mice. Amy's name correctly. Yeah Kiki Station. The station in Mexico there was kidnapped torture and murder. You WanNa talk about a hero now. That's a hero. That's heroic story. This is a guy when the the Sequoia all kidnapped him they murdered him and then they had a doctrinal standby who would inject Adrenalin into his heart to lie so they could kill him again. That killed him multiple all times. That's how that's how bad these people are. You know that. Yeah I mean. That's incredible. He fought he fought against them for very long time right. It was Kinda was not considered the before you guys showed up the arch enemy of Pablo Escobar kick was stationed in Mexico and Pablo Escobar at that time. I mean he he was doing with another faction of Mexican traffickers and Kiki with space while Ohira But it was notorious Mexican drug traffickers railcar opin Terrel Tobias Taros. It was the first original Mexican traffickers in this guys. Were were just as violence. PROBABILISTIC BAR again. They're they're they're violence was based on if you get involved with us. We're going to kill you so let us do do what we need to do. And it was based on money you know. They paid off as many politicians. And I'm talking about the Mexican guys as possible to get get their adult across but key come come around is considered our first real. I mean it's well known because of what the torture a Hideous stuff they get what he's like when you talk about the obvious everybody knows who agent Cameron wasn't like seems just a real hero early and And there's a lot of respect for Kikuyu and And it's the first time that we also that wouldn't he was killed Of the United States put Khansa pressure on Mexico. There's a famous story where it happened. where the precedent closed on the border between the United States and Mexico. Because we were not getting the cooperation it was close. I remember for about twenty minutes and all of a sudden the Mexicans so we know where the body is so that up in it was just an all out effort by the. US go now did you. Did you watch his season of narcos. narcos CBS Mexico. And how did you feel about that. And then also how did you guys feel about how they represented you guys in the in the first narcos great question I'll l.. Let's diva answer. The how about us but with with come around I watched it. And you know what I was also an especially because I was involved in the search so brand new agent had about a year on and I got sent to Mexico. Because I was Spanish speaker. They needed Spanish speaker. So it was personal for me. And I got to I was stationed. They send me the mosque. Which is where the the trafficker who killed him was located Korokin tear in and I think net flicks the series on on major? Come on I mean they did a good job it's it's it's it's horrific and brings back memories And I think they portrayed it accurately. Obviously there's Hollywood in a lot of them but I think The story was portrayed act of the United Think. They're doing the another season on the investigation. which is going to be Unique so but again it's I think I think it was done well and I think now a lot of people and you know what people have told me of your. I couldn't watch it. It was just too violent. And you WANNA watch. What they they did to come around him but you know I mean? That's you know it happens part of history. So you know that Steve with the NARC those yeah so for me. I've I've watched season four up to the point where they kidnapped Kiki and I just haven't been able to watch it yet. I'll get to it eventually Just not something. I'm looking forward to but as far as far as the actors of those guys. It was a boyd. Holbrook played me and paid off his scalp. Played Heavier You know and patriots. Probably it'll be a little bit more. Well known. Because of his role and game of thrones I'm he's somewhat like a man slut like heavier took part is so you know a lot of narcos is made up. That one part is true. How did have girlfriends? Oh friends just. They weren't informed Communist hookers but every woman Columbia was fair game. You know what and if I can interrupt I'll just go to say that you know what the main quest and this is the main question when I when I talked to people. That's their main question list. The fairs stuff. You're saying you're saying a lot of the show was made up though. Yeah I you know. We weren't running across the tops by ourselves in people and you know the the everything we did was conjunction with Columbia National Police. We had no authority down there. You know we're there as their guest there invitation and if you remember the scene where Murphy and pain when they chased us a car he doesn't come back and that little babies laying there at Murphy's aw she's cute. I think I'm going to take her home. Well you know what even Columbia that's called kidnapping to a Lotta Lotta Hollywood involved in it And that's why we say we're not heroes rose. It's the Columbia National Police that are real heroes of this whole thing because they took their country back from this piece of Shit. Yeah that's a great point and I apologize for a second. I started. They're confused Kiki with Colonel Martinez was representing the TV series. As well it was a real hero. guy sure I would about out. I think I mean I consider myself a fairly tough individual but man he he went through it. You're kidding. Getting he played soccer by Colonel Martinez. And let me just add With Kerr Martinez says the real hero and you know what Pablo Escobar was trying to kill his family. I mean I used to see the letters. Escobar were ride Martinez Letters. Say Their family's GonNa be dead by morning. 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Did you guys so like you just said about Pablo. There's a piece of shit. Did you guys upset. Set that because it seemed like the the show Kinda glorified glorified Pablo. It's a great point you know when we first met when when he's the executive producer he's the creator of Narcos. It was all his idea Super Guy I mean we love the guy's death when he first called us about Doing a story we you told him no on the phone and he said he was Kinda you know he was. He was astounded that we said no without knowing everything he said. LISTEN IF I come to Washington we just have dinner with me and let me explain to you what the idea is and you know I wanNA bring a couple of writers. He said give us two or three hours one the meaning. If you say it's no it's no and you know how we are as cost. I'm thinking well if these guys fly all the way over here and take me to dinner. It's going to be a really good dinner. It's free her so I tell you on how we are talking on the phone about it and and we did our research on these guys and they're well educated they're successful Air Newman's father is randy newman. Who wrote a lot of the songs for some of the older movies and Hollywood you you know just turned out? Their personalities clicked with the hours. And that's how we got with them so it was kind of amazing how it all came about because house originally we were just GonNa stay on the job for three more years and and you know just go from there and see what happened. I really thought I was going to be one of the court. Security officers down there at the federal the building killing young whippersnappers gun in the safe over there. You can't take in the courthouse. You guys all do that. y'All be security guys live in the good Ernie Radio Little Red Blazer. Yeah Yeah so when this comes to an end kind of when he he's he's on the Lam you guys keep you have these near misses but you keep the pressure on the other. The other element Competing for a place in the market. It's is trying to take him out When it finally comes down to an end we you guys kind of walk us through that all the way? Up to the point that His demise happens on that rooftop became for one thing you know in the show. They show that he was hiding out with his father for a while. He was in the country so is any. Yeah that true. What was happening there at the the last little bit before it came to an end I go I and all that Steve Because he was I I was not in basically in the show. They got me. I think I'm being disciplined in real life. The ambassador Commun- up. I was in the interests. Your you need to go to Miami. I mean 'cause there's a new format who knows who probably Escobar is and you know ambassador are like presence of countries. Yeah and I said Mr investor all the respect Serb we have been located. We're real close upset. He's basically you go to Miami or not kicking you out of the country so I gotta play. Go to Miami. Go either you. There's a floor moment when we wanted to talk to be an either the irony of all this is what the informants on the fall In I see him he puts the phone up here. They just kill public aboard the flight that I know I know exactly. Let Steve Go to here. Yeah so so that they and you know just before I tell you the story my one big regret about this whole thing is that wasn't there that day because he was there three years before I ever got there. Somebody deserved there on that. Final Day was him. But you know it's It's just sometimes the way things work out. I don't believe in coincidence incidence but it's just the way things worked out anybody they You got up that morning just going to be another normal day. They're getting ready for operations and so forth and I went over and was talking to the other Americans that were there at the base with you. I mean it's that we had the army's Delta Force and we have the navy seal team six WCHS guys with us their freight team months. Let me tell you what those are. The studs of the world I mean those guys are phenomenal. Both have the utmost respect for them. And would we tell the world if I'm ever kidnap. That's who I want to come to say because they that good they just phenomenal though. But you know there's theories out there that they killed Pablo and it's not true and the reason I know that is because I was standing in the room pocket on that day when all this started going down in an area and I was standing doorway talking to the guys and I saw the colonels executive staff kind of running over towards his office and that obviously it's an indication something on so I and I told them they tried that with having your we'll our relationship with Colonel Martinez was not good enough that we could walk in and you know he wait for me to come on in the office. Some listening what was going on and that's when the operation was going down to kill Pablo. If you watch narcos it shows I was on the roof. That's absolutely not true. There were no Americans out there. Ah I know where we were. That was the Colombian National Police after. Taking care of business. Okay so you know the carnal. Tell the guys on the operations and he knew that he said Hey Standby Kin were mounting up. The troops were on the way to help you. But if you have to you know if you have to do what you gotta do weather weather six hundred troops we got amount up you know and it takes. It's not something you do in five minutes. It takes quite a while to get six hundred guys geared up. You've got issue weapons you gotTA get trucks out you've got to have everybody accounted for and you know how that goes so while that's taking place the next thing you know. The radio gets quiet for a couple of minutes. And then the next thing you know this major comes up on the radio and he says Viva Columbia Pablo's dead so that part is true that really happened That's when you know I. I took off running over to the to where the telephone bank west so I can call the embassy report that in I I called the embassy trying to get a hold of our boss but at the time I got him on the phone he already knew that Pablo had been killed. And I'm thinking how do that. But that was the relationship he had. We had with Colombian National Police. The head of the Colombian National Police. The person I mercy call was our boss so anyway you know my boss says listen. I want you to get out there and confirmed this is Pablo Escobar. That's your mission. So I run over to my barracks and You know my wife and I give 'em cameras and all that stuff come running back out. And every every Colombian police officer in the patrol unit is gone. All six hundred of them are GonNa get the heck they don't get out to you. And so you start thinking about rental cars and taxis and I mean how stuff just you know pledge your mind real quick and blowing behold here comes curl Cortina's coming back in and his cheap with his driver. His bodyguard st get his and he looked at me. He says hey go get jumped in the jeep. So that's how I got out there so and the reason I'm going through this whole story is taught the world to know there were no Americans out there okay. This was in national police. Taking care of business screwed up in gays personal police that day in a firefight and he lost. It's as simple as that. He I know he fired upon them but when they set out that day when they moved toward where they knew he was was there any doubt in anybody's mind that were involved that they were going to do anything other than kill him that day. None none whatsoever. Oh Yeah I like it. I like it right. And and also you know You know when Steve talked about Colonel Martinez it was his son Colonel Martinez Junior who actually found Pablo Escobar. So that's another great story itself. It's a bother saw so good team against the father and son Batty because populist water was talking to his son so I it's it's just a great ending a it's a great story and You Know Lieutenant Martinez the young kid. I mean good friend Steven I always talking to we were. He would train a lot on this deif equipment. He was never officially trained. Learned it Just practicing and practicing and that's the Baltimore Lee. You know to public death you know when they located him on the wow I tell you I am. I know you guys has are known for this case. I'm sure that you were involved. With many many many other significant cases you should be very proud of but I'm very thankful that you took time to call in and know that you guys are busy. I do want to remind everybody to either download or physically. Go buy a copy of man hunters how we took down Pablo Escobar written by these two gentlemen you co authored. The book is that correct. We did and If I can just mention here quickly if you go on our website. WWW DOT d. a.. NARCOS IN OUR C. O. S. DOT COM. You can actually or the book of our website now and the benefit of that is we'll we'll even personalise it for you if you like. Oh Oh okay so that one more time the website it's www dot d. e. a.. narcos DOT COM Click on the book the icon of the book on the screen. It'll take you to the order screen and we're more than happy to autograph and personalize the book for you. Wow that's a hell of a deal right there Get Your own autograph. Copy of man hunters how we took down Pablo Escobar by the two guys that did it. you guys are incredibly incredible careers. And I'm I'm happy that they sent you. Sounds like you did it right and I consider you like a year to pioneers. I figure I you know I what little part I had in the drug. Game and wiretaps and whatever we always consider you guys Pioneers in that field as far as dismantling drug trafficking organization so on behalf of myself and everybody else here and everybody that listens we. Thank you for your service and We're so glad that you're you. You lived to be able to share your story. Wow thank you re depreciate absolutely if ever you come through Indianapolis get a hold of us. Well we'll we'll buy beers mowing out. We'll have a good time so Make make sure you do that. I'll send us in my contact from MMA booker to your publicist. It's all if you're okay. Awesome Hey guys. Put together to combat asses asses. Minnows really cool. You Cross really bugging. Cools lived lived legends. He's taken off how they were at the time. Pray pray your guys age. Probably when they went down there maybe this a little bit older. Say off the Columbia fight the cartel I burkan ever do it so big deal narco. Terrorism never really heard of that till now. Yeah he invented this. I wanted to asset like every like after I watch it's a show I loved Pablo and it's like the same way with like the best way to make a movie though. Right gotta give that person some appeal thing with American American gangster Frank Lucas. But I'm sure to. I mean he led a lot of people so we should ask that had to be some appeal to him because a lot of times the people to follow you. What's his he was in the streets? It was kind of like Frank Louis. How Regular Guitar? He was handing out Turkeys into Pablo's in the streets throwing money around in places impoverished coverage not money see built hospitals and stuff like money. And so that that's how we got people tomorrow. And that's what he was going to run for president. Yeah then then he Scott too greedy once you get that million dollars that when you kill other your politicians competition in jail I mean if I make thirty billion dollars I'm like right guys that lit up for sure. Go Away for a while. Probably build my own count pounds similar to his jail just to live in it not because I had if he would've stopped. Yeah you would just stop the murdering and stuff like that when you had thirty billion we at that point is obviously not about the money anymore. Right it's just the game exactly. Yeah you don't thank you can be stopped and it's just the probably the thrill in the power associated with as well because I some point it's like I am like fifteen jimmer say's right now I can have a really good fucking time. I can find other ways to get the journal in a row. They were having a good time. Pablo Escobar the Miami Dolphins back in the day also should have he. He could've probably some point. Just say listen guys. I'll stop selling cocaine. Stop murdering people. Just go away. If you just drop everything. And they probably will sign-off Seattle. They would have definitely signed off. Yeah he don't think he would become so power hungry and it's crazy but that was a great interview he can't deal with competition coming in and trying to do it you do. Yeah everybody nobody make sure you check out their website. Www Dot D. A. narcos dot com. If you haven't watched it is yeah I love it and I'm doing it. I'm jumping into it. I'm jealous of anyone that hasn't seen Arcos. Mexico came out last year so I assume there's a lot more people who haven't seen that and and that was the one about Kiki Camarena which was actually was very good to do. I watch Mexico I or not down at a go right into regular narcos yes. What's the very first one perfect? Because I believe Michael Pena is one in narcos Mexico Did a very good job. Yeah very good. I can't remember who played heavier opinion. Pascal go pascal. Yes that's the guy from. Yes I knew he was. He is so funny that he was like. Yeah he was a bit of a Cox Ninety rooftops I was getting around. 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Episode 9: The Last Straw

The Sicario Effect

29:27 min | 1 year ago

Episode 9: The Last Straw

"A listener. Note, this story contains adult content and language. If you're listening to this podcast, you might wanna go back and started up sewed one. This is story being told in chronological order. Therefore, if you come in and episode two, you might miss them details or context that are pretty important of the story from exclave media. This is the Sicario effect. I lack. Means that the Heidel. Alaska's guy. Colombian hired killer known as Papa has been released from prison. Abadie pay. Episode nine the last straw. Well, Franklin, Conteh rose. Death was an epic blowed Colombian law enforcement as well as the country. It was mostly overshadowed by an event that took place the same day just several hours later, your goes to the minority and touching on August eighteenth nineteen Eighty-nine keel. The belief karnal Franklin, king Tero out six, four in the morning on the same day at seven, twenty five of night in so article in America. We kill. But, but you didn't personally kill him. Louis Golomb Nolanda does the Julie's of in our kind Maggie wasn't a temp of nation against on hearing gene, but he was unharmed. Then he went back to where we organize. He's nation. For example, I again on everything was nice by literally got aka enemy. He knew who was an important player in the merging cartel seven, forty, five pm, three car motorcade with ten motorcycles, leading and flanking. The procession speeds along the Topeka, sewer highway. Their destination is the Colombian city of wacho a relatively small city. So watch is considered to be a borough Bogota can like Staten Island or Queens New York city. But officially it's a municipality of the department of Kundun Marco, it's a working class town with a population of around half a million writing inside the middle car is the hope for Columbia. Luiz Carlos Galan the John f. Kennedy of Columbia long. Graduated from Hungary on a university in nineteen sixty five, the doctorate in law and economics after college, he worked as a reporter for the national newspaper, El Tiempo. He began to distinguish himself as a journalist, writing articles about the numerous problems facing Columbia. He. He wrote considerably about the shortcomings in Columbia's schools as a reporter. He interviewed, the president is l. Pastrana the father of under spur strana during the interview Galon displayed a deep understanding of the crisis facing the education system in Colombia. Strana was so impressed with the lawn. Shortly afterwards. He pointed Galon to be as minister of education, marking his entrance into national politics in nineteen seventy two. He was appointed ambassador to Italy for years later, he returned to Columbia and went back to journalism. He published more than three hundred articles. Many articles address the disturbing rise of narcotrafficking and the dangerous consequences that would have on all aspects of Colombian life. Extensively, but the threat of narco-money influencing the political system. In nineteen seventy nine Galon re entered politics and was successfully elected as the Senator for his native state of Santander. A member of the liberal party delone grew frustrated at the party's inability to find consensus on a myriad of issues. He felt the party needed to be reformed and invigorated. He wasn't alone. Another young politician read Rigo Lada Baena shared his sentiments together. They took a hard look at the challenges Columbia faced and decided that the liberal party in its current form wouldn't be affective enough and decided to form a new party on November. Thirtieth nineteen Seventy-nine. Luiz Carlos Galon and Rigo Laura in two other colleagues announced the formation of the new wave. Oh, Liebe Elise party. The new liberal party, a faction of the liberal party by nineteen eighty eighty-two. The Lon ran for president and one, seven hundred forty, five thousand votes. He was defeated by the conservative candidate audio Bettencourt despite being defeated in. Presidential race. It was an undeniable show of strength for the new liberal party in Colombian politics. The message was clear. These guys would be taken seriously. The party was gaining support across the nation. Dhillon was reelected as a Senator new liberal party co-founder Rodriguez Laura was appointed minister of Justice. Numerous other liberal party candidates were winning seats throughout Colombia of all the liberal party candidates that were elected one in particular stood out and until those. A couple induced you couple area candidate from anti Yokio running as a member of the newly formed liberal alternative party. Pablo Escobar was elected as an alternate member of congress. Escobar had originally wanted to be part of the new liberal party. However, after investigating the source of Pablo's money Luis Carlos Galan and Rodrigo Lara took the position that the new liberal party would have nothing to do with the man for medicine. Thus beginning Pablo Escobar antagonism towards two of Colombia's rising political stars. A few months later on April, thirtieth nineteen Eighty-four. Red Rigo. Lara was assassinated by publis Kabar Sicario 's by the middle of the eighties, the deep divisions within the liberal party were taking its toll. As a result, the lawn turned down the opportunity to run in the nineteen Ninety-six presidential election. Instead, he decided to take a break from politics and accepted a position teaching at Oxford University. Galon was enjoying teaching and traveling throughout Europe. The group of ruthless. Men were making big advances in constructing Narco syndicate. That was slowly infiltrating all aspects of Columbia. By nineteen Eighty-eight. The violence in Colombia was beginning to rise. Narco-traffickers had amassed a great deal of power and influence disturbed from the escalating violence in the increasing grip of narcotraffickers Luis Carlos Galon didn't wanna sit on the sidelines. He returned to Columbia in nineteen eighty eight and appeared at the liberal party convention in Cartagena up in data money, haughtily style. Now, the last United style kissy for going on. Several months. He garnered support within the party on July sixth nineteen nine. The new liberal party announced Luiz Carlos Galon has their candidate for president along with his running mate. Cesar Gaviria one of gallons, key platforms endorsed a treaty with the United States for the extradition of Narco kingpins and their accomplices. Colombiano kobo. The moment he announced his candidacy for president. He picked up a groundswell of support his popularity surged Colombians begin to pin onto Galon their hope for change. Real change to put this in context. It's closer to home. One can imagine the same energy and excitement America felt during Robert Kennedy's campaign for president by August. I all of lawns public rallies had ballooned in size, his speeches electrified. The crowds young people were invigorated by his call to action. It was a real moment and Colombian politics. It also made him the most threatened man in the country. Keenly aware of the increasing threats on his life on general, Miguel Masa Marcus director of the dos that's Colombians version of the FBI to review his security detail in protocols precaution it was a prudent requests for a candidate loved to engage with crowds. At the end of July, the dos changed gallons head of security veteran agent, Victor Julio Cruz Dylan's chief security agent during the presidential campaigns of nineteen eighty two and eighty six was unexpectedly reassigned to the security detail of another politician agent Huckabee a Gozo was appointed head of gallons security detail. The move surprised both Galon and cruise, an air of confusion and suspicion took root amongst the security team responsible for on safety on August fourth nineteen. Eighty nine Galon was scheduled to speak at the university of Antioquia accompanied by some members of his campaign staff. The presidential candidate had come to Midi despite receiving. Number of anonymous death threats Colonel Franklin Conteh was well aware of these threats extremely concerned about Cologne safety. He insisted on investigating anything big or small having to do with gallons route. The Colonel instructed all radio dispatch calls to be channelled. His command post later that morning, an elderly woman called complaining about some suspicious looking men hanging out at truck. It was close to the university concerto dispatched his men. A few minutes later, his radio squawked l.. L. is a rocket launcher in the truck. While his men secured the area. The Colonel was immediately brought to gallons location and Medine where he insisted on personally escorting the candidate to Eliah Harare airport where he'd be flown immediately out of marine talking on the way to the airport. They both agreed that the country cannot afford to give into the demands of narco-terrorists. Two days after the failed attack in mitigation Gilan went to Venezuela. He was accompanied by his running mate. Cesar Gaviria their reception in Venezuela resembled something that would be given to a head of state when asked by the press about his safety Dylan replied, men can be killed, but ideas cannot. And on the contrary, when they kill men, ideas become stronger. I just hope that Columbia is aware of changing before it's too late. We've worked hard to change the system to create a new space, and if my death manages to achieve that change in my mission will be fulfilled. Eight. Oh five PM August eighteenth nineteen Eighty-nine. The motorcade carrying Luis Carlos Galan makes its way through swatch inside his vehicle agent. Tori goes, handsome, bulletproof vest on normally didn't like to wear it, but didn't argue the evening. He put the vest on as they entered the neighborhood of lettuce. Spencer Tony goes to remind him of the entrance plans. We will get out of the cars here. You will get onto the back of the truck, which will take you right into the town square, then we can get you out right by the stage. His security team consisted of twenty bodyguards all armed when the motorcade came to a stop gallons. Personal aide looked out the window. It appeared that there were a lot more people from what they were originally told. Another thing is eight noticed. There were no checkpoints leading into the square, and nobody was being searched stepping out of his armored vehicle, rush of security personnel and enthusiastic fans and circle on his bodyguards moving towards a large. Flatbed truck that appears bold and somewhat wobbly. The agents are focused on Galon and don't seem to notice several onlookers hoping to get a glimpse of the candidate are now trying to climb onto the truck receiving assistance from his bodyguards go on has helped up onto the truck. Once all the members of his staffer aboard, the truck slips back and then jolts forward into gear jarring everyone on board slowly. The Trump begins to move leaving the armored cars and motorcycle escorts behind from above. It resembles a sea of red and white. The colors of glunz party. A lot of them drinking cheap, brandy and identity. Radiant. The square is packed wall to wall people, large signs, flags and banners carried by individuals. The truck stops in his overcome with people. Lack of police is clearly evident is throngs Gulf truck Novisti barriers. Keeping people away. His security jumps down to push people back as Galon tries to step down for a moment. It appears he's about to be carried off on the shoulders of his supporters. After a few seconds security helps them get back on the ground, his bodyguards from a ring around him, push their way through the swarm of people reports. The stage waves is used pushed along the way to the stage weeds Herrmann Vargas and Pathy, Osama bear to friends who came to accompany five to ten seconds. Later gets stage quickly moves forward at the foot of the stage is a large banner. Unlike other banners, this one is upside down the detail that lawns security doesn't take notice. The chanting the lawn amigo Pueblo stock Latigo lawn Amiga town with u. louder by the second. Lawn steps forward. He raises both his arms to wave to the crowd. His best rises up leaving his abdomen exposed suddenly amidst the chaos, three loud submachine gun bursts erupt from the bottom of the state near the down. Banner belong falls back. One of his bodyguards, Santiago Cuervo directly in front of him struck by bullets. Another security agent, Pedro Nel. Anglo rushes to Galon side also hit by gunfire standing on the stage just a few feet from Galon. So watch a city councilman Julio Cesar pedalos turns to run for cover the shot twice to the ground shots continue to be heard over, screams pandemonium breaks out in the square over the bursts of gunfire. Four of gallons security agents have managed to lift him up by his legs and arms and carry his body. Off the stage. He remains conscious throughout with weapons drawn several other agents look to return fire, but are unable to find the assailants amongst the masses. Moments later, a dark sedan pulls up and within seconds. The lawns bodyguards begin to move inside of the car agent hotel on his shoulders, entering the car backwards to lay him on the back seat of the vehicle speeds off the bullets entered just below his vest and rip through his belly. The swatch a hospital is situated, roughly two hundred meters right around the corner from the public square worried over the possibility of a second wave attack from the assassins. They decide to take the lawn to the Connell hospital located in the CNN or national administrative center of Bogota thirteen miles away. Noticing gallons deteriorating condition. The agents realize they don't have a lot of time and change course to the Bosa hospital, a small medical clinic in the nearby town of Bosa. One of the agents looks like Alon and pleads. Hold on. Hold on boss, please don't die. Former Galon head of security. Victor Julio Cruz is on his day off at home in nearby San Mateo when he receives a call. From daas colleague who informs him of what just happened crews immediately leaves his house and heads out to Bosa hospital eight fifty, five pm. The car arrives at Bosa hospital Galon is diagnosed with multiple internal injuries from gunshot wounds and severe blood loss agent crews. Now, at the hospital stands with the other bodyguards, talking to the doctor in charge who informs them because of gallons, internal bleeding, he requires specialized surgery. But unfortunately, the hospital doesn't have the equipment to treat him. Cruise makes the decision to transfer him to the Kennedy hospital, roughly three miles away over the radio lead agent tour Gaza informs the other members of the security detail. He's gone to get a secure ambulance frustrated, not wanting aways precious time agent crews orders the men to use whatever ambulances available. Nine twenty five pm. Galon arrives at Kennedy hospital at Kennedy is taken directly in the surgery team of specialists because of his dire condition. Once inside the OR doctors extraordinary measures and cut his chest surgeon, administers direct cardiac massage in an effort to keep them alive simultaneously. The trauma surgeon treats is Donal wounds allowed single flatlined. EKG tone is heard throughout the OR after seven more minutes of attempting to resuscitate him to get no response. Finally, the surgeon calls it time of death, ten twelve pm. Luis Carlos Galan Sarmiento presidential candidate, the leader of the new liberal party. The man who is believed to change politics in Colombia. The country's great hope for a better future was dead. He was forty six years old. Columbia was paralyzed. Its future had been struck by wrecking ball. The police arrested, thirteen suspects gallons murder was ordered and carried out by the Medine cartel masterminded by Pablo Escobar Medellin cartel boss Gonzalo Rodriguez. Gotcha. Aka. And may he personally oversaw and coordinated the operation public bars, chief Sicario. John Jairo Velazquez Vasquez alias. Popeye was in charge of procuring the machine guns that would be used by the assassins. Over the next several years. A government panel investigating gallons assassination would expose vast conspiracy Popeye's testimony. In the case, shed light on several co conspirators and led to the indictment of several government officials Luis Carlos Galan posed an imminent threat to the narcotraffickers, the paramilitary groups and a handful of corrupt government officials who all conspired together to snuff out the hope of a nation for his role in the killing of presidential candidate Luis Carlos Galon Popeye pled guilty to murder and along with the other charges of terrorism Narco trafficking and kidnapping. He received a sentence of forty years, the maximum under Colombian law. However, his sentence was reduced thirty years as part of a deal made with the prosecutor in exchange for his testimony. In the case. Say. That it perform, Jonathan kill Columbia will be Kuchar on organization. Thumper you will never have another organization, so powerful the million cartel. I'm still fascinated by how were you ever scared wherever even in the very first time you had to kill somebody where you scared? No, four k. Yoji powerless go on? No, he was gored men. So he had the stomach for it on from the very first time he killed. He wasn't riskier. And he, no, he knew this a professional hitman. He helped to shut someone into head to times. Have you ever been scared get to LA Vida. Wake on the Madonna by Romulus Korea. So no, the only time he felt scare was went, Bobby, let's go war was taken down because he was in jail on he listened to everyone in jealous yell in. Going down, give EMMY also million up by LA CARA. He, you know, he went to his his sale, his Leppings himself like because he was that care who was panicking. And he said, no, I can't lose control of myself. I have to. I'm almost man. I have to take control of the surgeon. I mean, what a power this person had over you another another's as well. It's. It's it's frankly, it's remarkable because I, I mean, they say it was like for them. Yeah, he was a gut it when it was like a cult. He was like a DVD and I suppose that would take away the fear, I guess, of any I if if you had and at that point it's just doing your job, completing a mission. And I'm curious because I also heard you say something in an interview where you talked about. Killing people and an assassin. Is different than a psychopath. Where's the psychopath wants to kill people an assassin. It's just a job. I have to go. I have to kill these people. It's I, this is, you know, and. Like a construction worker, a guy who you know a carpenter he has to, you know, but when he's not doing it, he's not thinking about wanting to do carpentry. He's just, you know, that's his job and he does it. Interesting mindset. I'm curious how you did you always have this mindset. In contrast the but the personnel. Yeah. One, those throws out onto damaging Noman is council. They have never found any traces of psychopathy in his personality in as personality, but yet the empathy increase here, Notre dear the memo pad, thrown out. The end of the one of those. Brigadier you question he's back then for them, there was no race. They were either scaping or killing. So there was no time to someone thinking of something else they were. They were escaping, yes. Like when they were running away from the lead the for them when they weren't running. Law before they were in the in in Jalen out before they were on the s Cup. Cup under is Capanna though there's a principle policy on joint tic- compiler squads persecution. When he started nine hundred, they were already being. Thank goodness. You're not Horma. So he's gonna. Describe what an assess is like, what has all this? We to deals. North American ideal scenario and assessing a professional assassin here for I mean. The way he describes him is of report person will say, good morning to everyone other respectful person. Very good neighbor actually see torrential castle out peer per Don t set the lamenting. No Rita e for example, he will be involving can actually them with you. He will pay for them. It's just he will excuse himself awarded happen. Do will be no yelling, no show. We know showing oval began, for example, weapons. Nor reckless driving, for instance, respectful, very spectral of of of norms. The only thing that they will do gains roles would be killing or moment when up. Northfield. There's essential causa no lows parties home, for example, for necess- in. I mean, we're in be any prostitutes coming in and out of their homes, no fancy cars. They will leave in the morning, like everybody else do their job on the comeback of night to rest. Just a job is just a job. Exactly. This pedicle seniors. You must be thinking of your neighbors, he'd been. Yeah. He's very quiet respectfully. So. Okay. So now let me go to where. What. Not local. See. So now we go back to where it's. You're in prison with public in the. It's time to run. It's time to leave prison. Did you ever in your mind I understand your loyalty. I have not questioning, but did you ever question this the strategy? Did you ever think that maybe the boss was wrong, mid Neum, ca settle. I'm the os Joe then yes, you have. Yes, you have thrown with Boras quad decided. Ky-ko has to be killed inside prison. Joe. Hi, who was very close quarter. He actually questions. Why don't we kill them outside prison, but bubbas go our seas since with him until seem like part of the process. Like he makes him see the the mistake with that which is lying on ESPN like like I feel like. I feel like on the convenience having these people, let's being kidnapped outside of prison will mean that their families will pay the rent. Some a hundred million dollars on the will leave to the state and the will have a bigger problem than the only have because, for example, they needed these guys to get back some property, even our word that they have actually belong to core. So according to go on, what explained to your hydro. Mistake, having them killed outside prison in how to be inside because the people they trust was inside prison. Normal site. The and they couldn't kill him outside. No emit occasionally. The go-to minus. I mean, no matter how much money the reward was for Public Co. ours have none of them will think of having them to the police to the government. He was just, I mean, does the level of loyalty they have. It could be older amount of morning as they were. I mean, there was no question about even thinking about it. Well. Did you ever think? Did you ever want to become an narcotraffic onto yourself? Meet up, ethical Chima, swear thing, but combating, but who still. On? No, he was very good. I will hit it, which was shooting. I got was very, very good that. But he he has no luck for traffic in no luck for traffic in business itself. Here he tried it. He wants, but he failed. He tried it once really. We've been, how did it fail? MBA. MBA. Okay. Sand shipment to Holland. Whole coordination and everything fail. Not your new era hound up where they've been killing. It would have been a different story. He will. He would have come through everything really. Wow. And did you lose money? But these studies owners say, now we when you try this where you working for just Justa. Russkoe are already that. From here. Wow, you I mean, okay, just from, I don't know enough about Colombian prisons, but from prison, you were doing a deal with Holland. How does something like that even happens? Meet up on this. Let's put money how models producers before it was basically inmates who run everything. They have control over prison with them. For example, very easy to something like this. 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Steve Murphy the former DEA agent who helped take down the worlds most notorious narcoterrorist

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Steve Murphy the former DEA agent who helped take down the worlds most notorious narcoterrorist

"Today's episode is with the second of the DEA agents who are represented in net flicks. Ceres narcos today. It is Steve Murphy and this was all along with hobby. Opinia A video interview so check out of your opinion. If you haven't yet you can listen to it on your feet or you can go to youtube. Look for Eric Hanley. And you can watch both interviews with hobby. Air and Steve Murphy. Don't forget I also have a livestream available where you get to ask questions of previous guests yourself next up. We will have Robin Drake. Who was a spy master in the FBI? And now I bring you Steve Murphy. My name is Eric. And this is unstructured. Or we have dynamic informal conversations with some amazing people and the second half of this episode with Steve Murphy. The other half of the D. agents made famous by net flicks narcos. How're you doing today? Steve Thank you very much for having me on the show. I'm really thrilled to have you and I understand. You actually spend a little bit of time in my neck of the woods I did. I started police officer uniformed officer and Bluefield West. Virginia nineteen seventy five but in nineteen eighty. One I was picked up as a special agent with Norfolk Western railroad company. Which is now Norfolk. Southern Railroad and I moved to Lived Johnson Beach but actually worked two years on the on. Lambert's point the coal piers down their Norfolk to love. That area has really cool. And how is it different though? Because I've never really investigate. What exactly a railroad police officer did or does. Yeah they you know. They have the responsibility of investigating any crimes committed against the railroad. The railroad years ago had a lot of power. Even retirement system was that federal railroad retirement system But anyway a replacement investigates all crimes committed against the railroad except capital crimes. And then you call the local investigators on that and like when I I spent two years in Norfolk transferred back to West Virginia and still maintain jurisdiction in West Virginia and Virginia so it was It's more than a security guard because they're investigative functions but behind honestly. It just wasn't really what I wanted to do. Law Enforcement Enforcement so not taking anything away from the railroad cops that are out there now. I guess break France in there some outstanding investigators. I learned a lot from but this wasn't what I wanted to do. Okay and I think you had applied for different Federal positions was. Did you happen to apply for the FBI or Treasury or any of the other agencies? Yeah I applied to be an FBI. Agent and I'd like to jokingly say the best thing that ever happened to me is they didn't take me But that's that's kind of law enforcement. Humor talked about and actually applied to be a customs agent through the Department of Treasury and the first notice got from them was to come in and take the test to be an RS agent. Well I didn't want to be an. Irs agent not that smart to be honest with you but You know went took the test and arrest never called me so I must have really screwed up that test what I've had actually nine F. B. I. Agents on and I'm always curious about were these jurisdictions are and where the overlap because to me there has to be a lot of overlap between DA FBI. You both handled drug cases right. Yeah and and here's the big difference so. Da is a single mission agency. That's their own responsibilities investigating narcotics narcotics traffickers. Okay we have no other crimes that we investigate maybe money laundering associated with that and then there are some crimes peripheral crimes such as Human trafficking involved in that type of business. And you know extortion. But it's all related to the drug business so it's one crime that he is responsible for investigating. If you look at the bureau. They have over four hundred. Different crime categories. They're responsible for investigating. I mean talking about being overwhelmed. And we like to give our time. And it's just friendly competition between agencies They've even got one. Ground are one law that says if there's a crime committed that doesn't fall in one of the other categories. They're still responsible for it. So you know God blesses those guys. They've got their hands full with everything they're responsible. We're trying to keep up with so a homicide is involved with drawn case than with the FBI. Come in and work with you on it. Or how does that break down now? A homicide we would call the local investigators so like I was stationed in North Carolina. At one point depending on what jurisdiction? You're in if you're in a bigger city where they have experienced homicide investigators. You'd Probably Call Them. But if you're out maybe in a more rural area you might call the state like North Carolina Might Call Us North Carolina State Bureau of Investigation In South Carolina State Law Enforcement Division on Florida's the Just forgot Florida Law Enforcement Division. So there's it it really depends on where you're at when the crime happens as to whether you call them in. We do not have the authority to investigate a crime murder nor do most of our people have that experience. And that's that's something you don't WanNa mess up. Cramping I believe in the book. You talked about a particular incident where you didn't know if it was bad guys who were casing you when you're casing a place or observing it and it wound up being cops. Can you talk about that a little bit? Yeah we call that blue blue situation so what happened. I was still relatively new agent. I no longer had a senior part of the answer. But you know what if you've got a brain you always maintain those connections because the guy worked with at that. Time was G Franken. He's probably the smartest human beings I've ever met my life and still as you know was newer gas coming up making case. Even though you've got all these years of law enforcement experience you know you're still going back and seeking advice. Because he just he really knew what he was doing. So we had informed the gave a center information at this time Another agent Kevin Stevenson. I have become partners and he was a little bit younger than I was. As far as time on the job. We were smart enough to run everything by gene so gene he said Yeah. Go with it but these are the things you need to be careful out. Well we went out and set up our pre surveillance of the meetings Spot and it was. It was actually a Denny's restaurant Miami International Airport. So I'm you know all of our cars have blacked out windows and apple into this parking lot across from the Danny's where I can see the front door and you know cops are notorious for backing in even unmarked cars backing into parking place. So you you always pull into park place. 'cause at less obvious and the criminals recognized that as well so anyway. I'm watching the front door and after about twenty minutes at Park next picked up pickup truck and it had blacked out windows. But everybody's got that winds us in Florida so Anyway after about twenty thirty minutes I hear the motor start. Look didn't realize anybody sitting because I hadn't seen any movement any pulls out and then he pulls on the other side of me now blocks my view and I think for for our crap. Now can't see the front door so It only took a few seconds to realize something's not right here so I I learned all the other agents on the radio and I pulled out the lot. We went to a different meaning site. And we all you know we. We knew that was either bad guys. It's either the bad guy setting us up or doing surveillance on us or it might be other cops. So we open Progress on and so forth but our gun rigs on and we came back and has pulled in the parking lot. We had guys come from behind. We have three cars coming from the front. We turned our blue lights on. They do we cops and got out sure enough. It was undercover narcotics detectives from Highly Police Department. Also our informant was talking to one of their informants. And you know what? I'm glad you brought that up because that's one of the dangers associated when you're working undercover law enforcement can be extremely law enforcement agencies and and personnel can be extremely competitive. You know they say we're all Taipei personalities. I don't think my but my wife's that's what makes me a tight papers now. Oh you're very protective of your investigations. Which is extremely dangerous. In this case you thank the good Lord. It worked out for us but I mean that could have ended up in a gun battle right there and we really got the case started. Is that relatively common? I want asset because that to me is a such a frightening scenario where you have a mix up and potentially it'll be all good guys killing each other. It happens more than you want. Admit to it I know there was a case. Where years prior to this than South Florida where yeah happily Highly police officer shot another undercover. Because they didn't know that each were in the same situation. But now deconfliction centers have been set up across the country Especially in major major city so that agencies. If you'RE GONNA go out do a deal you contact the deconfliction owner and I don't WanNa give up too much information. They were but The mechanisms are in place. Now so that you can prevent blue blue situations okay. So there's a bit more communication cooperation between agencies. I'm praying absolutely thank. God now you were in Miami which years again early eighties. I got there in one thousand nine hundred eighty seven. Ninety one okay. That's right because you've got to Columbia after Heavier right correct. Okay so were you. During the thick of the quote kkob cocaine cowboys period. It was it was still very active down there in nineteen eighty seven. I think it was starting to slowly calmed down a little bit but it was still very common to find you know. Murder bodies anywhere proxy cars or houses or wherever you just never knew. It was still extremely violet. Down there during the time Everybody carried guns. Cellphones were just starting to come out and believe it or not In the late nineteen eighties. You know quite honestly one of the you don't profile but you know one of the first indicators if you saw if you saw people that you might be Colombian or Cuban carrying cell phones. You know because they were so new is relatively a good option that that could be someone involved in narcotics business now that a real estate agent exactly but and the people that list this please don't come back and and badmouthed me for profile because you just had to do which had to do to stay alive and one of the things that keeps you alive. Is your observation skills. I actually lived in Fort Lauderdale in like eight eight time period and that was right when cops came out. I don't know if you remember the show cops. Oh yeah well that first SEASON COPS. I thought was very interesting because every episode seem to take place within one mile of the apartment I was living in. What kind of points where you living? In kind of a dump eighteen years old. I was going to be a travel agent type of person. Working Alamo rent a car. But anyway that's a side note. It wasn't only Miami. That was problematic right. Fort Lauderdale had issues to if I recall. Oh all the way up to West Palm actually. The St Lucie Port Saint Lucie was at one point is very active with smugglers. Coming into the The different bays and in the different docs that were associated there. And then you had it all the way down to the keys and then even on the West Side. Fort Myers over in that area South Flor- just eat up with the door. You know we. We had a format that would fly loads force out of Columbia and would land on a deserted road at the Middle Everglades Lot of places you can hide out there if you coming in by boat especially around the keys again those mangroves boy you can had all day long there nobody ever find you. It was almost like a like the song says smokers paradise. That's interesting. You brought up the informant. Who was flying for you. I mean was he literally practically working for you. Did you have an arrangement where he wasn't going to go to prison because he kept flying? I mean how. How does that work it does you? You Excuse me we run everything through the US attorneys office so we have various assistant. Us attorneys that we work with and and it's just like any other business. There's guys that you get along very well with that are recive and you know that you become friends with and so you call them say okay. This is what we'd like to do. And we won't use this particular individual as informant Here's his background. Here's his qualifications. Here's what we think he can do now. Everything that you do with an informed has to be documented so Any of others even times when we follow our informed. Make sure they're not land to us because once they land to your now you've got an integrity issue and you can't put him on the witness stand. You know you have to disclose to the defense attorney That they have been caught in in not telling the truth. All the time doesn't Informat tell you the truth all the time absolutely not. You never trust them. I mean it's it's amazing They are taking a lot of risk and a lot of danger. They're being paid very well for the risks that they take but there snitching on people and if they're snitching on you today if they can snitch on me tomorrow to get out of trouble lately will. Is it kind of a free pass? I want to ask. He's like obviously. They're being paid by whomever their bosses are. And it's I don't know it seems problematic. Do you ever get caught into entrapment issues or questions of that kind. No now a good defense attorney will always accuse you of that but we don't do that you know they are informat so your case aren't format. Offered a form of transportation for anything you want to transport it anywhere in the world. I contacted the word got out. He was contacted by this narcotics group. Who wanted to move cocaine from the Guajira Peninsula? Gallery and to South Florida and he was just offering a service. Now if you inform it doesn't tell you beforehand that he's going to do something and you. Authorized is handling agent. Then it's illegal. He cannot and a lot of former. Try that 'cause they'll they WANNA make government money from the government with. They also want to run deals on the side and every time they get caught the first thing they say he's all working for so as for this agency and so the arresting officers call us and if I don't know anything about it's like put him in jail. I had no knowledge of this whatsoever. So and they. They are told that at the very beginning. They just think they're smarter than US and they might be but we use a catch up with him. Well time I'm sure factors into that. You can only get lucky so many times. Okay now from Miami. Obviously you went into Colombia and I know you were on our mutual friend. Chris lockets show. And you didn't exactly fit in or resemble everybody around you. How was that? I'm not sure it was trying to say there now. You can see Riyadh. I just got back from Florida last night so I actually do have a little bit of color but I am. My background is English and Irish. My Mother's mother immigrated from Essex England to the United States when she was a little girl. My father's family's all from We believe worked for Cork Ireland so about as white skinned as you get right Hispanic country. I don't blend in up six foot to have light colored eyes they used to have before my hair fell out what's left turned white light colored hair. I mean you hear you can hear my country accent so when I speak Spanish I speak Spanish so and it was when my wife and I got the Bogota. We'd go shopping. And there's a mall in northern part of. Boko talk called. When he sent throw we would walk through there and people would just stop and steered us. And I'm my wife has some Indian blood in her some American Indian blood and her so her skin just a little bit darker than my. But I mean they're looking at you. You're very self conscious about it. Because you're thinking not only Colombians. I met with the ones that put in jail so I went to Columbia thanking everybody. Down here is a drug trafficker which is really stupid. Naive on my part but that's no story And so you wonder. What was my Zipper Open? I have some food moment. Someone knows her. Yeah I mean everything goes through your mind but it continually happens and it is just that you know. You're kind of an anomaly. Some of these people would never seen an American before and they might not have known outs American they just knew that I was non Colombian so eventually you kind of get used to it. I'm you still keep your eyes open but You learn to live with that okay and you had mentioned country Spanish and in the book you talked about how you refuse to lose. Learn Spanish for a long time and I can relate to that person linked because I grew up in Tucson Arizona and I was not going to take Spanish because I was in Spanish all the time so I did. Something really brilliant. I took French. It's just like really nutty. And then I wound up in one. Tahoe Bay Cuba taking care of Cuban migrants and the late nineties under Clinton and my biggest regret of all time is that I never took Spanish when I was younger because everyone who had high school Spanish one a pin almost halfway fluent by the time they were done right so you ultimately did take Spanish. Then I'm guessing well right when I was selected to go and I put in volunteer to go to Columbia. I'm not sure five-year mentioned it. But in the send you overseas you have to volunteer to go. So I knew I'll get to language school and and the backup just a little bit. I mean I was extremely naive. I grew up in Middle Tennessee and southern West Virginia. And I like to joke around. And I'm a cross between a redneck and Hillbilly and I'm okay with that. I know what I am and when I got to Miami I mean I wanted to be there because you mentioned cops will. I've been watching Miami Vice. That's what I WANNA do. 'cause that's exciting and you're GONNA have the fancy cars and the flashy boats and all the Bikini clad women you know none of that ever came about after you got Denison. That's exactly what I was made it to the top tier did when I got down there. You know the other agents in the group two senior agents. We'd all go watch together and they'd take you to a restaurant where the menus were in Spanish. The waitress speaking and and in my name you know. I'm looking at the other gate agents. What the Hell did we cross a bridge going to Cuba me? Why hasn't he by speaking Spanish and English here? I'm an American you know I'm I was being really stupid. I mean just being his redneck as I could be and eventually my wife and I we learned through living down there that a lot of people. The circumstances that they came into South Florida is they were trying to escape. Communist regime. Cuba The they're trying to find a better life for themselves in the United States is where the world wants to come to. That's why we have immigration problems now. Everybody wants to come here right in and through I guess a little bit of maturity and living in a different environment instead of this little country. Boy I'm a big city. Now you develop a better understanding of compassion for your fellow man and I probably the good Lord and ask for forgiveness. Rabin an idiot. I still do that on regular basis but when I went to language school win afterwards Lang School. Now we're stationed Columbia when my wife and I would fly home. We've slapped for Christmas or whatever to visit our parents. And we'd have to fly into run-up Virginia. Well stay longer than I would not come back. And and there would be Hispanics at roanoke airport and they didn't speak English and they're trying to talk to the lady at the counter and of course they didn't speak Spanish and I was able to step up and say hey. Let me help you translate here a little bit and I'll tell you what that such a The sounds Kinda stupider Whatever to say but you know it makes it actually might do feel proud of the fact that you can help your fellow man. Something simple as she wants to know. Do you want to check your bag? Do you WANNA change your seat. You know this is your gate number. Just simple everyday things but it made me feel good at that point that. I could step up and help somebody with that and even today in Spanish is much more prevalent in the United States now than it was back then but if we get the opportunity especially having a trial all around the world and and you'll see a lot of Spanish speakers that are having a hard time getting along in whatever country and either have our step up and and we'll translate for them and it's still a good feeling so Go Into A and living in Miami for forty years. It was a real out but her but it was also a great grumbling experience from both on sure when I was taking care of the migrants that that taught me a lot because literally. They washed their relatives. Die Getting my sharks and everything else coming over and meeting some of them. It was quite literally. Oh my God the only difference between you and me is where I was born exactly exactly. It could have been us as rather than them and and that that is very eye opening. Because it's like well that's just a circumstance you can't blame anybody for their birth right. That's exactly right now. Pick better parents. No I'm just kidding. All right so now you volunteered to go to Columbia itself or just volunteer for an overseas assignment. Well actually volunteered to go to Barron Kia. Which is up on the coast. Did that is some of the agents. There had been working to join case with them We'd sees couple million dollars. Based on information they were sending us and it just really seemed exciting and my wife came to A. We'd been in Miami over three years and she said she's a registered nurse and she likes working in the exciting parts of the hospital trauma units and the things that I think are just really grotesque. She really likes cow stuff and she said you know our life's been really exciting here. What's next most exciting thing we can do? I so we could go to Columbia. We can transfer any like I had three heads and like I'm an idiot. And she thought about it for a while she came back she said you know what you still want to go down there. And I said down. She said frontal do it. Let's do it while Rian so I applied for bearing Qian was accepted Had the paperwork and everything you know in in our culture when you get transferred to a nice office laughing at overseas office you pay for the Party so out already taken group my group out when we had a good evening and then I found out that they took the transfer away from me because they need by spoke. Spanish there quickly So again headquarters e call and I just cannot remember. His name honestly can't remember his name. I wish I could say thank you but he called me and says hey you know you just got screwed right and I said well I figured that. And he said we've got three openings coming in Bogota. Would you be interested in going there? And I said yes and so When openings came out I applied for him. And and that's how we ended up in Bogota. But it's you have to volunteer to go do that okay. You know. I don't know if you've probably been asked every question but when you were there obviously Pablo Escobar's the big celebrity criminal. I don't know how to even describe him because he's famous for being a monster. Not necessarily great thing. Did you did either of you ever meet him now? You know what the only time I ever saw. Pablo Escobar was bad and that was after he was dead. We did surveillance on his wife. We've done survive. We've seen as children. They were doing so. We weren't doing surveillance on the kids but we were on on Pablo's wife Totta and the kids were usually with her but now never saw Pablo If we see him there would have been an encounter. Would okay well. I didn't know if you might have seen him during the time when he was quote unquote in jail. Now you know that was part of his deal. We we as the good guys. The green goes the clock. Police call military could not come within two miles of the that prison. Oh Okay I did not realize that he had a really nice deal. Then oh my gosh. I'll just tell you he so. He negotiated this deal where he was called. Self surrender program that the Attorney General of Colombia started and the president went along with a so. He was allowed to plead guilty to one felony that he got to put got to pick and in return. He was absolved of every other crime. He committed in his life including murders including thousands and thousands of murders so when the when the army general says this is great we accept your plea and I was like wait a minute. I've got conditions he said one is. I'm going to bill my prison. You're not gonNA put me in a Colombian prison because I gotTa have a place of safety and they said okay second of all. I'm going to hand pick my fellow prisoners because again people here want to kill me so. I don't know if you knew this. There's only fourteen prisoners in that prison. Pablo and he handpicked. All at one was his brother. Then that the third condition was all the guards that are here. I'm going to hand pick them and I'm GONNA pay him because I don't want the government of Colombia. The citizens Columbia bird suffer through the burden of paying for that gun in the government said Okay and then got a five year prison sentence and on top everything else. They didn't even take any of his assets all he had to do with five years in this country club prison that he built himself and he paid for and he would have been a free man but man aves is ego his pride he just couldn't control and we know we know what happened to him which is almost good except for so many people got injured. Speaking of him pain for things. I did have a question. I think this is covered in the show a little bit too. Was there a point that the dollar as in? Us dollar in Columbia would be problematic because it wouldn't have the value since there was so much of it. Not that I'm aware of I mean. He did Pablo loved. Haven't bulk cash. He liked having those. Us dollars. I think he'd probably felt like he was snubbed. His nose at the United States. And you know when he was. He was the world's first Marco Terrace. He's at a man who developed a business model of drug trafficking that eventually made him responsible for eighty percent of the cocaine in the world. Holy Cow Chris Lock it. We talked category creation. Exactly and that's exactly what he preaches. Pablo was doing it years before Chris Cable but he had a problem in that you know the banks. They wouldn't take that much cash he could pay off and they can take a certain amount but he was bringing it so much. You know they couldn't do it so he had to figure out what to do with that money. He was burying it. He was trying different investments. He built Over eight hundred multimillion dollar homes through Colombia He had fleet of aircrafts. That was three or four times what we had A. Da that would have considered entire worldwide fleet. He had three or four times. That many aircraft just in Columbia for itself while his son even talks about that if he wanted to go somewhere he had a couple helicopter seeking call under. Bring come over and pick him up taking where everyone to go. It's just ridiculous it seems completely obscene and crazy and I would think if you have so much cash. It's problematic to spend it and I've had. Fbi agent on. Believe is an Eugene. Casey and he talked about one of the laundering mechanisms because he worked out money laundering. And I'm guessing you guys had to look into that too because that might be another way to find these people but he said that what would happen is like a business and Columbia. Let's say hardware store would order all their parts from the US as an example and they would go to the hardware store and say okay. We're going to pay your debt. You give us the money here in pesos. Or whatever and then they would pay the currency through a wire to the United States and that was one of the methods to launder. Did you run into any of that? Well the big thing for us was believe it or not primarily both cash being transferred back in the was the biggest means but now the you know they had the black marketplace exchange which is very similar to what you're talking about they were They buy products throughout other parts legitimately byproducts throughout the world and bring those into Colombian Salam. And now you've got your cashback. So that's part of the black market peso exchange They develop thing that has gotten very popular through other countries called trade based money laundering schemes. Where they they buy goods and other places like truckloads of clothing and ship. Those down there are some extremely sophisticated money laundering schemes. That I have no idea how they operate alley work. There's If you ever saw the movie the infiltrator the agent this portrayed in that the DA guys actually irs and customs as He ended up bringing down one of the largest banking systems in the world based out of Saudi Arabia. I've read his book. I've seen his movie and he's a friend adding try to explain. Thanks to me. And I still can't tell you how that money laundering scheme works at that he was working on. He's he's only intelligence level. He's way up period but he did a hell of a job. But that's the thing and work in these organizations. Why are they a business? Their business to make money and to have personal power. What if he rector if you take stuff from there assess whether it's houses are are cash airplanes? Whatever it is you really hurt when you take their things from them in the laws are set up in the United States so that you can do that as well. As other countries share the assets with the other countries. Isn't there a problem with some of that though? I know that there's actually controversy now about. I believe there was a police department. I don't remember the state so I'm not gonNA throw it out there. I think in a southern state where the sheriff's department was busted because they were using these Seizure laws to essentially get a bunch of booty themselves. Yeah that still happens not. It's not prevalent throughout the United States especially counties there along. The primary transportation corridors Here on the East Coast. I'm outside of Washington DC area. You got a ninety five running up and down the east coast So some sheriffs. Partial smaller agencies will put units on the interstates I drove home for Florida yesterday and one county that I'm very familiar with and one of the southern states had five units sitting out there watching cars go back now. You can't call it profiling. Because that's been determined to be improper. The truth is that's what they're doing. They're looking for indicators. That would suggest that a car either. Traveling South is carrying money or car travelling north carrying drugs. They're more focused on the cars. Going south that will be carrying the money. And then you know this this. Take Your County talk about is I know very well work in that county before and It's it's one of the poorer counties in that state. And you know this is how they fun. Some of the other things in their in their law enforcement agency is through the asset sharing that goes along with. That isn't right. I I'll be honest with you. I don't have a problem with it. The fact that they're taking drug traffickers money. You've gotta follow the rules and we're a country of laws you gotta follow the ball okay. And that leads into and I guess it's my last question which is probably an aggravating question. I'm not sure but the DA's turned fifty cents. And I'd say the quote war on drugs is almost fifty years old. Are we winning you know? I'm not offended by that question at all. And I'm GonNa tell you the truth. This is Steve. Murphy's Opinion Da. Travel all around the world. We're in our fifth year now of when our agents off speaking bureau ages call our world tour. You know this is the last thing either. One of US expected to be doing retirement. But you know thank the good lords workout. I'm loving it but at the end of every show that we do. We have a question and answer session and the audience can ask US anything. It can be about the investigation. It could be about the show. Narcos on Netflix William Talk About Personal Apps of certain degree. So it's a very common question about the war on drugs. And here's here's my opinion. When you're going to fight a war you get your allies together. You get your personnel lined up all your materials your your rockets missiles you clean. Jank's everything and you don't go into lose nego into win. We'll hear we're fighting the war on drugs we're going after the world's first narcoterrorists Marco terraced was we're going after a man who's responsible for eighty percent of the world's cocaine a man who's responsible for tens of thousands of murders one of his own. Sicario is one of his own assassins who just died about month or two ago. Popeye right says the number is over. Fifty thousand murders that Pablo Escobar's is responsible for. So I mean if we're doing a war on drugs were going after the number one guy the cocaine business Pablo Escobar. Would they send two guys sent me an obvious down there? That's not a war. It's a my opinion. The world drugs is one of the biggest misnomers. There's ever banned from the United States. Government now employees. Don't cut this out when you hit. But I'm certainly not taking anything away from all the men and women out there who are sacrificing their last putting themselves in harm's way on a daily basis recognize the diversion investigators intelligence analyst of support staff. Everybody's involved in that. Because they are. They are doing their best to to serve the public. That's what a police officer is a public service so all these people are out there trying to serve the public. But when you send people down there after Bob Low Escobar at the sound like a war sounds more like a joke Dick Eight. It really does. And that does lead into briefly the legalization question whether I is it worth it. Is there more people who die because it's illegal and highly profitable? Then let's say if it was not I'm not sure where do you stand? You can probably guess roster legalization right. It's it's down. And if it was air he would jump on I to talk because he knows this is a hot button. Issue for me. And I'll give you the reader's digest version. I will not A favorite legalisation. I've heard the same arguments Hey it'll get us out of some of the states out of the tax problems. Well that hasn't happened well into the violence associated with marijuana marijuana's trafficking that hasn't happened. We Still Got Mexican gangs working here in the United States grow and I caught skunk weed but you know illegally growing marijuana out the forest and the heels and where they are and they still have booby traps set up and they still have. Aren't people out there? And they're still gunbattles they're still murders the Legal marijuana shops they know. That's a cash cow for them so they go rob them. That's not the violence much last. I read a report here long ago. News article that I think it was a Colorado a forty two or forty seven percent of all traffic accidents involved impaired driving from smoking weed. So there's another problem that nobody thought about. We look at countries around the world where they've tried legalization. It hasn't been successful in a single country. Yet I mean yeah we were the greatest of the United States. We think we can do it better than everybody else But not this. It's just people say well you got. Alcohol is legal. That is I don't drink. I don't drink alcohol anymore. Quit drinking years ago over twenty years ago. But that's not in my book. It's not an argument as just another way for people to kill themselves so that kind of translates down into our young people as well. You know it's been proven if you do. Your studies have been proven that the human brain doesn't fully mature until you're mid-twenties true and it's also been proven that smoking we inhibits the growth of the young people's brains so even if they wait till eighteen to start smoking weed when you know. It's legal and these legal shops. Their brains aren't finished developing. So Now. If if let's say that the smoke the weed on a regular basis causes your brain to not fully developed will now. Who's going to be responsible for taking care of these people because they can't reach their full potential or who's going to be responsible for taking the people that have respiratory problems because when you smoke weed you inhaled in you. Knock just like cigarette right now. May Not have the same carcinogens that cigarettes do. But here's the bottom line just like you just like every other working person in country. I'm working my butt off for years. I've taken risks at most people. Don't take I did it because I love doing. I felt like I was helping my fellow man but here I am in my retirement. Years are coming into my retirement years. Why should you or I? The hardworking taxpaying honest citizens be responsible for taking people taking care of people who made bad decisions who now have health problems from smoking. Waiter are using whatever drug The drug of choice Why should we have to do that? Why should we have to bear that burden financial as well as moral obligation? We're going to do it because the United States. You know we do take care of each other but it's just not fair when you've you know. I was a convert thirty eight years. I can't tell you how many times been shot at and thank the good Lord I survived but I think everybody has responsibility to take care of themselves. Make sound decisions trying to teach my children for every decision you make. There's a consequence could be good or bad in my opinion legalization results in bad consequences. Perfect I actually asked hobby air that as well so I did get to explore both sides not both sides of it. Just both your opinions on Brian necessarily opposite sides and Steve. This has been just outstanding. Thank you so much for coming on. People can find you A. Da narcos Dot com right. Absolutely I really appreciate the opportunity this. I love this interview. Because it's a little bit off will usually ask us and most people want to hear my opinion legalization ever asked me that question. I have to ask. It's crazy not to yeah and it's Going to put a little self commercial out. Here that we are book man hunters which. I'm pretty sure you're probably GONNA mention but I wanNA mention it as well and we're all Kinda stuck at home now with a corona virus. You know self isolating and herself quarantine whatever you WANNA call it and my wife and I are done the same thing so We're trying to think of ways that we could maybe help people and my wife and I are actually experience and couple of things to help local law enforcement here and hospital because she's a nurse but anyway for the month of April were offering a fifteen percent discount. Our Book GONNA website. You can order it. It's twenty nine ninety five it will be autographed with our actual signatures and you can even put a little personal message on there that we're happy to write to you that cleared the price conclude shipping and handling We market this book as sheer cure for insomnia. So if you're having trouble sleeping light this is the cure. It's a good book. I have the audio book. So you can't sign that but I still am enjoying that and I did want to reach out. If you are looking for things to do I would love to have you both. If you're interested I do a live stream and with the livestream it allows people in my audience and your audience to be able to ask questions of you directly in the chat. And if you guys are interested in doing that I'd love to have you come on in the next couple of weeks and we could put it out. People could ask questions and give a great opportunity for them to ask things directly because I do a lot of research but I don't always get the great questions now. That would be exciting. We haven't done yet yet and we're all stuck home for now. You know what I need something else to do because my wife's going to get ready to work me to death around the house all right well. We'll set that up and Steven. Thank you so much for coming thank you. What's the Steve? I mean he and Javier. A real heroes. I mean to be the only two guys down there. Literally taking on a general over an army of Narcoterrorists. Wow what a staggering story. Now be sure to not forget to check out the live streams other video interviews on Youtube Channel again. Look for Eric Harley and before I go couple shoutouts show you may want to check out. That's a little bit. Different is for my friend Andy Wong. It's called inspired money. And what's great about? This show is not just a finance podcast. He actually talks about where money goes how people spend it and and good things that they're doing in the world. It could be charities. It could be raising. Money can be allied to different things and I also want to shout out former guests of the show in upcoming guest combined Scott Rouse who has been on the show and also had a livestream with me has an event coming up next Wednesday where he goes over. Carol Baskin of Tiger King. Now to make things interesting. It's not only Scott rows it's Scott Rouse chased Hughes Mark Bodin and Greg Hartley. So you have four major heavyweights in the body language world. Who are deciphering. Hey Carol Baskin do it. Didn't she do it? Who knows but check him out on Youtube under Scott Rouse so YouTube. Dot Com slash. Scott are oh you se. I think you'll really enjoy it and once again. Thank you so much for check out the show. I can't do it without you.

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The King of Cocaine Pt. 4: Pablo Escobar

Kingpins

44:39 min | 10 months ago

The King of Cocaine Pt. 4: Pablo Escobar

"Due to the graphic nature of this kingpins crimes listener discretion is advised eighteen on January thirteenth his wife and two children were inside while Pablo frantically the family lived in there were priceless original works by Vincent Van Bulletproof Mercedes Limo an entire room was dedicated to Manuela from underneath pieces of the collapsed ceiling the family was badly Pablo was staying to relay the good news now that he knew his family was I'm how old heart and I'm Kate Leonard the Osos to understand how a kingpin or Queen Pin Rises to the top immunity around them. You can find episodes of kingpins all other podcast originals in the search bar at podcast we are grateful for you our listeners today's episode the best way to help us to leave a five star review wherever you're listening last week we talked about Pablo's war with his own government over the threat of extradition politicians and judges who spoke out against the Narcos this week is with the government but after so many years of violence this piece couldn't Russian as the beleaguered kingpin ordered the assassinations of journalists no one dared go out after dark young men who were merely suspected delays all over Colombia both men had ten million dollar bounties on their heads told Roberto no drug dealer ever died of old age he was you worry thirteenth nine thousand nine hundred eighty eight he knew he was facing a new the rival Cali cartel he'll Berto feigned concern telling Cernan hung up already considering his next move hits with guns and knives but now he was ready to blow some stuff up is the detonated under his home Pablo had a friend who had spent some time I'm in Gal Pablo invited that very same technician to Hacienda Annapolis same kind of work for the Cali cartel recently it was only then that founded by armed bodyguards he was sure he was about to die voice before Pablo could launch his counterattack however Kelly struck and marina at four am a car parked outside the home exploded detonations center into Labor she was rushed to the hospital and gave birth weeks August eighteenth nineteen eighty-eight he dispatched a team of arsonists to AH was his first business and the origin of his wealth as though only the beginning through the end of nineteen eighty-eight Pablo sicario often strategically set off at night when fatalities were less likely the people to know that he was on their side he wasn't looking to kill them only to reach a peace settlement Pablo's offer was simple he would serve some jail as the war dragged on and the fatalities piled up piece was looking more appealing the presidential election in Columbia and the front runner was Louis Galon just eighteenth nineteen eighty-nine gallon appeared before a massive crowd of so you out of his Jacket Galon was shot several times ahead for narcos even worse President Barco shutdown all negotiations national security directive eighteen that directive allocated President Barco wasn't going to let them have all the glory with American money and assistance walk their sole purpose was to find Pablo and bring him in dead or interest act on November twenty seventh nineteen eighty nine a young arrive the man had been given an important mission his briefcase the young man excitedly reached for his briefcase he flipped the switch and seven people on board died while three civilians were killed on the ground by falling debris decided to avoid all commercial flights in the interest of safety people of note they were frothing at the mouth now the country I love to travel and my carbonate that allows it to survive anything your trip throws at you the inside it comes with a removable laundry bag so I can keep my dirty collectible battery that allows me to keep my phone charged I no longer need to glacier bag if it ever gets damaged you've got nothing to lose slash king and Promo Code King during checkout for twenty dollars off a mustache twirler for every hero there is a villain the new podcast every Friday villains focuses on a different real or fictional evil doer story of their dark deeds and will explain what drove them to evil the ice man Richard Kuklinski and the Co ed killer Ed Kemper or visit podcast dot com slash villains to listen now end of nineteen eighty nine he was being actively hunted by Colombian and American to do was catch him Pablo had already been on the run for years circumstances Pablo kept fighting. Aw The government agency abbreviated. DAS is at seven thirty a M Pablo's men detonated a five a twenty foot deep crater into the street the entire front of the DAS rise of the injured fill the air those who could free themselves from the rubble target General Miguel Alfredo Maza Marquez the head of Dan Pablo had failed General Maza was still alive lovie authorities closing in on him though he constantly varied his methods of communication line meant he usually used very clean Spanish free of vulgarity once they caught a conversation between Pablo and his cousin Gustavo this is warped brain the only way to achieve peace was through more killing men had to capitulate to the cries of their people but the government was upping the ante on they killed John Arias a ride or die sicario in June in July doc officially claims Gustavo was killed during a shootout but Pablo tells journalist Mark Bodin writes the expression killed in a shootout his resolve he knew the only way he could stay alive and Columbia Party candidate and intended target of the flight to Oh three bomb he believed the only reason he was still breathing was because Pablo Escobar

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Pablo Escobar's Hippos Could Endanger Colombian Ecology

60-Second Science

02:51 min | 6 months ago

Pablo Escobar's Hippos Could Endanger Colombian Ecology

"This is scientific Americans six second science. I'm Jason Goldman around one hundred and fifteen miles east of medicine in Colombia since the enormous Hacienda built by the drug Lord Pablo Escobar. Who had his own personal zoo? Which included hippos when Escobar's empire fell most of the exotic animals were safely relocated except for the hippos who eventually escaped to eat right four from as you in the US to Columbia and they lived at his ranch and they've grown slowly but steadily Jonathan suren ecologists from the University of California in San Diego. The original population of four in nineteen eighty one is estimated to be at least eighty. Now Hippos have tremendous influence on their native ecosystems in Africa so sure and wanted to see how they might be affecting their new ecosystem in Columbia. Shouldn't surprise anybody hippos poop in the water South America Africa Hippos on both Continents Wallow in ponds and lakes where their droppings release a tremendous amount of nutrients into the water that imported materials stimulates photosynthesis of algae and aquatic plants and also microbial battery production of bacteria. That are living off your Ganic matter. That's imported have mass. The hippos can cause ecological trouble if there is too much photosynthesis occurring in the water becomes full of oxygen during the daytime but at night when the sun goes down and the plants and algae stop releasing oxygen into the water a phenomenon called eutrophication occurs all the creatures that consume oxygen keep consuming it and the overall amount of oxygen dissolved in the water becomes critically low dropping. Low enough you can help. All the fish SORTA croaking going belly up. The researchers also say the situation provides a unique glimpse into the way that massive mammals like mammoths and mastodons. Long extinct in the new world may have influenced their habitats prior to their extinction but they also know that unless we can somehow curtail their population growth. The hippo population could explode in the next couple decades at which point they will disrupt larger and wild river systems. The study is in the Journal. Ecology lethal control isn't the popular management strategy among people who love hippos or see them as valuable tourism attraction but the question is when not if the hippos become detrimental to Colombian ecology which means that folks should be thinking about the best way to solve the problem now when there are fewer than a hundred hippos to manage and not thousands. Thanks for listening. For Scientific Americans sixty seconds science. I'm Jason Goldman.

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