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Laura Prepon, Mussels

Your Last Meal With Rachel Belle

28:53 min | 7 months ago

Laura Prepon, Mussels

"Bairo Seattle I'm Rachel Bell and this is your last meal. I show about famous people and the stories behind the foods. They love boasts today in the program actor. Laura Pre pon. Laura's big break was playing Donna on that seventy show she started an orange is the new black and she has a brand new book out just in time for Mother's Day called you and I as mother's a feel-good live. Well stay connected guide for MOMS now. Laura has a new baby and a toddler. But we're going to talk a lot about her mom who was obsessed with cooking and sometimes called her kids down to dinner in the middle of the night often we would wake up around midnight or one in the morning and we would stop well into the kitchen. Larry I'd have this beautiful spread out for us and in honor of Laura's role in the TV show orange is the new black. I revisit. My 2016 interview with the late rapper prodigy who wrote a cookbook featuring recipes that you learn to make while he was in prison still like packets of salt and pepper in Batas child and we will use it and you actually make Pattana food. I my conversation with Laura Predawn. Let's start wearing always has to start with childhood. I understand that you had the life that people dream of no rules wild childhood. Yes my siblings and I often refer to it as wild kingdom are. Mother isn't very unconventional and eccentric. So we definitely had a very interesting upbringing especially when it came to food because she was very eccentric gourmet chef and make all sorts of things till the wee hours of the morning like peeking doc and her own Sushi in perfecting cooking frog Wa. You know I remember. When she was in her phase of caviar we lived in Jersey so she would drive into this really high end. Russian Deli called Petrosian earned of. It's still there. And she would get caviar Beluga and SAROKA and bring it back to Jersey and make these homemade Leonese and do this whole caviar thing. I was like nine years old at the time so it was kind of lost on me but I wish I was a little older when she was going through those because I totally didn't get the art of when she was totally into Sushi and would get all of her own fresh fish from like a Sushi market. That was an hour and a half away that she would drive to get her fresh fish everyday but I was so young. I was like eight nine years old when she was in those phases. And then as I got older she would go into other places that I could understand. This was in the eighties and the early nineties before the food network when making Sushi or Peking Duck. At home was very exotic. She would stay up all hours of the night and you didn't have a bedtime so you guys would eat sometimes really late right. Yes we would go to sleep for school You know around ten o'clock or whatever and then we would often we would wake up around midnight or one in the morning and we would all stumble into the kitchen bleary eyed and she would have this beautiful spread out for us. She basically make three meals. She would make Jennifer us which she would put in these casserole dishes on hot trays and she would make a little buffet for the kids with amazing food and then she would make something separate for my father. He was like a steak and potatoes. Kind of guy so if it was something with fish or whatever he wouldn't want it so then it would make him want his dinner if he didn't like what the children were saying. Even though it was like amazing like chicken cordon Bleu from SCR everything from scratch. Always she never like never in my life because she dumped out a box of Mac and cheese and made it for kids. That's not her thing. And then she would go into her peaking doc or Sushi or frog wa or souffle. Or whatever thing that she was perfecting after that until the wee hours of the morning and sometimes. I'd leave for school and she's still be in the kitchen in the morning and then she would sleep. During the day Laura is the youngest of five children and when she was fifteen years old her sister. Stephanie worked at a magazine in New York. She suggested that Tall Pretty Laura. Try out modeling so not something that I wanted to do. Only because it never crossed my mind I was GONNA know. My whole thing was going to be a doctor like my father. He was a very successful surgeon. I'd always been fascinated with you. Know the body and how it works and health and wellness and everything like that since I was a kid when she mentioned that it was like hearing a foreign language but I'm always down to experience it and try it so I'm like sure why not and my mother drove into this open casting in New York to this modeling agency when I was fifteen and they told me to lose twenty five pounds and if I did that they would sign me so I lost twenty five pounds in two months and they signed her. Laura said it's easier to break into modeling and make a portfolio if you're in Europe so at fifteen years old. She moved to Milan all by herself and lived in a flat with other models. So my mom said Go. I packed my bags and I got on a plane and I moved them on when I was fifteen and I lived there for about a year and I lived in Paris and London. I did a little stint in Brazil and then my first commercial I ever got was in Milan. It was in Italian. Ben'S RICE COMMERCIAL. No Way Too intends stomach thins and then called my mother in. Jersey and I said I want to try this acting thing and she said what do you need to do and I said I need to learn how to act. So she's like okay great. Let's do it so then I came home from Italy and then I started acting and then within a year book that seventy show and I moved to Los Angeles. And that's Kinda history after Laura. I mentioned earlier that she had to lose twenty five pounds to be accepted into the modeling agency and her mom got very involved in helping her do that. Inner Book reveals that her mother a woman who is obsessed with cooking delicious food taught her how to be believed. It's I it's complicated by the way when I lost twenty five pounds. That was not because of the eating disorder. That was because of hard work. My mother would cook my food and way out and portion it out and and batch cook all of my meals for me put myself on a workout regimen. I ate only what she put in in my little containers for me like she would weigh and measure me every day like we had a full. It was like a a training camp. It became this thing we did together. And she's not a maternal person. So for me to have this bonding experience with her was really really special. While I was modeling and I dropped down to a hundred and five pounds not from the eating disorder. That was from me just eating the right way and working out a lot but I tend to be extremists and I kind of took it to extreme and yes I drop down to one hundred and five pounds and it was a size zero at five ten and it was too hard for me to keep weight off because my body like my period was gone. I didn't get my period for like a year when it became really really hard to keep my weight down. That's when she taught me how to be a believer and how to do it correctly. You know different tricks to do so that people won't know that I'm doing it how to make it easier specific foods to eat. It was like a whole learning thing and I- resisted at first but then it became this kind of shared secret that she and I had and we would do it together and it was how we would bond. We've been hang out and eat together and talk and and then go to our separate bathrooms you know. It was like a bonding thing we did and I craved it. I crave this time with her because I love her. She's my mother and then unfortunately it took me years to get out of it. I INTERESTING IS I. Don't blame her like I know that. She equates being thin with success. That's just how her mind works so I know that she was teaching me this as a way to be successful but yes as a mother. Now I look back and I'm like how the Hell did you teach me that so damaging to be years to unravel that but again like there's days where I struggle with. How did you teach me that? And then there's other days where I I wouldn't be where I am. Without her teaching me to not conform to a status quo and without her teaching me to speak up for myself and really be who I am. You know and not try to conform some preconceived idea. That was all stuff I learned from her. So it's a really interesting relations. I write all about it in my book because I feel like we can all relate in some way to how we us you know. You can't get them out of you know you can't you can whether you have a relationship or not. It affects you. You know what I'm saying therapy. You have to do to kind of ease that up a little bit home. Happy Mother's Day unraveled. Those mom issues with your therapist and then pick up some plumbers for her this weekend. Your Mom's not the therapist even though I don't know we should we all give our therapists flowers. That would probably be nice still. It is time to take a quick break but when we return or a pre pond reveals her last meal. Oh Hi guys. It's me again this time with my shoulder pads on and I got my briefcase here because I am Business Rachel and business. Rachel is here to tell you that. There is a rare opportunity to advertise on your last meal for the first time in more than two years. We have space for new advertisers. So if you own a business or you have a friend that owns a business and you're interested in advertising on your last meal. Get in touch. We'll tell you all the details. You can message me are bell are B. L. l. e. At Bonneville DOT COM that's B. O. N. E. V. I L. L. E. DOT COM. So our BELL AT BONNEVILLE DOT COM or even to. Send me a message through my instagram. Your last meal podcast. And I'll get it over to the sales staff and hopefully we can wear shoulder pads together. Laura would your last meal be my last meal. That's always such itself question. You know I thank you would probably have to be muscles like a Bouillabaisse like the you know the muscles in the beautiful tomato broth. Yes that with some fresh bread. Fresh toasted bread with butter. It's probably that like when you get the grilled bread that is just like the smoky grill marks on it. Yes that is what I'm saying. That is what would be my last meal. I absolutely love that. And that's on the menu. I get it I get it I ordered I have to. I just love that also because growing up my family property in Maine and right on the water and you could go muscling on our property and get fresh muscles and my mother would make a Bouillabaisse that was just. I'm not kidding like you feel like you're eating at French laundry like it's just incredible and then there's this restaurant in Budapest as a really amazing and I I was asking my husband to. We cannot remember the name of it. Also 'cause we've newborn. We're totally sleep deprived right now but that would probably be my last meal because I just love that meal so much and I have a lot of fond memories around it. Laura Pre pon wants muscles for her last meal preferably in a Bouillabaisse a very hard to spell and she might even like the version that she had any nameless restaurant in Budapest. Base is a classic French stew from Marseilles. Ma R S. OKAY. I don't know Frenchie stuff gun. I Dunno Frenchie stuff. Real good base is a classic French Fish Stew from Marseilles ridgely created by fishermen to use up the bony rock fish that they couldn't sell in the markets. The broth has tomatoes garlic onions fennel and herbs and spices like Saffron Time Bay. It's traditionally made with two kinds of fish something white and firm and then a shellfish like clams or muscles and if you like muscles and you've never cooked them before you should. They are so affordable and so easy to cook and Super Versatile. I really liked to do a version of muscles where you saute garlic ginger and onions and then you just throw in coconut milk curry paste lemongrass and you just wait for them. To open right up takes like eight minutes and the dishes done or you can go with a French muscle dish and throw them in a pot once again with garlic and onions fennel throw in some white wine and herbs and then the same thing they just pop right open and ten minutes and when the muscles open just like clams and other bivalves. They released their briny juices into the sauce. And that's what you get to sop up with the Nice crusty bread right really easy to cook with. So do you ever make it at home? You know. I don't really because I basically been pregnant for the last like my daughter is only two and a half years old. I was pregnant again after that which was a pregnancy that we lost and then I just had another baby so I've been so pregnant or breastfeeding for the last three years. I don't eat mussels when I'm pregnant when recipe day and then the little time that I had in between the time of being pregnant I didn't make it. Actually I didn't which is I should. I should though so obviously you were on. Orange is the new black and one of the things that I was fascinated with when I read. The book originally was all of the different hacks that they did in prison for making meals like using coffee creamer and sugar packets and things like that to make a cheesecake for someone's birthday Yeah did you learn any those things by being on the show? The only thing I really remember from Orange is the new black that we would take kool aid packets and they would make blush out of them like rouge lipstick out of the packets. But I don't remember specifically because a lot of the scenes that they would do in the kitchen it was usually like red and Gloria and Nikki and Laura character was never really in the kitchen scenes. We would just have to eat this horrible food but the trick was whenever we had to do eating scenes we add a little trick on all the girls caught onto it and we were all eating oranges. They give US ORANGES. And we would just to make chewing. We would always just chew oranges so we didn't have to eat any of the other so that was our trick trick. It's so on the nose to give you or oranges. I seriously Laura Plead Alex on orange. Is the new black an inmate in federal prison? And like you just heard her say even the food she had to eat while filming a TV show is bad. So you can only imagine how bad actual prison food is in December. Two Thousand Sixteen. I had the rapper prodigy on your last meal. He had just written a book called Commissary Kitchen. My infamous prison cookbook featuring recipes that he made while incarcerated in various New York state jails prodigy was born with sickle cell anemia a hereditary blood disorder and. He said that eating lots of green vegetables kept him from feeling pain and getting sick but as you can imagine the food in prison is not very healthy. He said they only served maybe a vegetable a week. It was always green beans but luckily at the prison. He was out. They allowed people to mail and packages of food and he was shipped cases and cases of canned vegetables sadly about a year and a half after our interview in two thousand seventeen prodigy passed away from complications from sickle cell anemia. So here's a portion of our interview talking about what he cooked and ate during the time he spent behind bars. Is The bad food enough to make you behave yourself so you never go back again. Oh was show definitely definitely definitely. I'll never want to see that food ever again again. Prodigy said they weren't limited to eating at mealtimes you could buy food in the commissary kitchen you could have food shipped to you from the outside and inmates would pocket things like butter packets creamer and little salt and pepper packets from the cafeteria which he called the Chow. But I wasn't in prison so I feel like it's like a little bit inside for me to call the show every day. They would get a few hours out of their cells to watch. Tv or play cards. Use The phone or to cook during those times in Gaza hung out way. We always cook we working out a lot in when you were when you want a real workout regimen. You have to eat. So that's two we dude. I was on things work out. Eat good on a lot of water one winning with his plan to better myself improve myself like in worked out for me but I learned that image. They don't have family and they don't have money you not afford food on commissary so we know. They were forced to eat the prison shower every day. And that's the only DNA I'd eat and is disgusting. You hear horror stories about people finding things food. I had no idea that you could cook your own meals in prison. I didn't know that this existed All that he had was a toaster microwave but he share it with fifty other inmates so he and his little buddies. That's what they like to be called in prison. I'm safe out here. No one can beat me up. He and his little buddies in prison. They would cook together a lot of tension like everybody's upset the imprisoning Noah got attitudes so when it comes down to cooking you know usually will people shed food like like. I might go in the rice. You don't WanNa send somebody else's during the beans in there will make the food and then we all eat together. Whoever chipped in you know what I mean and sometimes we might share with somebody if we feel like being nice whatever but cooking takes our to to prepare a meal. You sit down and eat takes your mind. Will you ask for the while you know because you said preparing mail? There's almost kind of peaceful not for the moment. No forget what you got for a little while and you get to talk to Albany mates and it just helped bring people together and it comes a lot attention so it's a good thing. What is the recipe that you are really surprised that you could make in prison? I mean I've heard about you. Know using like the little bream packets to make a cheesecake. What is something that you you made out of nothing? Just probably like pot stickers. The dumplings data so weird recipe you. Can you talk more about that? What do you use to make the dumplings skin? Those two different ways we would do. We would take pasta. We'll get like spaghetti or elbow news. A boil it you know you get off and then he just it together like dough and do you just make into a shape you know. I mean if a dumpling and you could fill it with like chicken. Anna tuna whatever and closed up in put it in total unanimity got dumplings. Used to do the same thing with bread like if you take a loaf of bread and he puts award on it in turn into dull solved own. Just make the dumplings Don't sit around all day thinking like what can I make where you get food network chopped in your brain? We would definitely like experiment. Find Things need that? Honey honey glazed chicken. That was like an experiment. One day in the home. Who's been trying different things? So that came out pretty goes put mad honey on the fried chicken and it them something new. Wow this is good all right. I want to talk about the meal that you think is the most disgusting which is something that I actually made. There's some cookbook that somebody gave me Prison just present cuisine and that is the prison surprise Can you talk about what's in prison surprise because I made this and I ate this and I thought it was disgusting and then I was strangely kind of into it because of the MSG. I think weirdly addictive as big on rag is Downing Man. Because that's what offers headed. That's basically Rama noodles with really finely crushed up the re like almost like a powder you crush the doritos and We also use Jack Mac which is macro microfiche doritos cheese sauce. When you add the hot water to trust the Riedel's become like a cheese sauce on the news and fish and they just mix it up and I said charisma surprise. You know what I mean. What does it taste like Man? He's like cheesy fishing. I love how at the end you to say. Good luck. Yo at the end of the recipe. Got Your first name Raga Zelen. I had somebody man for me and he showed me how to make it know. I actually like got sick. I got food poisoning from officials bad or something like that and I started like throwing up. Be Sweating Bullets Dan descending to the infirmary and I had a bad experience with that first day in jail. Yes it sounds disgusting. It looks disgusting smells disgusting. It's salty is hell and very addictive. I could not stop eating it. It was the most delicious disgusting thing I've ever put into my mouth. Have you made any of these recipe? Since you've been out definitely definitely. I make a lot of salmon. Macaroni Salad apples are making a lot on Sam. Spaghetti Roster Parsley. What does your family think about you? Making present food at home man. They love it because you know the book is doing gradients that were available to us in prison so I do. I'll just take the same recipes now. Use fresh food. I'll go to the fresh fish and get fresh sliced. I mean I I use better ingredients instead of a lot of values in olive oil and I'll just use the same recipes with fresh and it tastes great. You grew restaurants down on cooking my quarantine friends. If you are looking for more podcasts to listen to I encourage you to go way back and listen to this prodigy episode Info from December. Two thousand. Sixteen I also interviewed Brian Price. Who's a former Texas inmates? He cooked two hundred eighteen last meals for people on death. Row between one thousand nine hundred one and two thousand one. Brian is an amazing storyteller. And history goes way beyond food all right time to take a break but when we come back or a talks about meatloaf now you might be wondering. Are we talking about the food or are we talking about the man? The only way to find out is to stick around a I read something deep in the Internet. That says that you go back to New Jersey every year for Thanksgiving and that your family has a tradition that you sing a particular song together every year. Not Okay not only. Is it thanksgiving? It's at every wedding. You have to sing like a really big family event. Were all there because we. We're a big Irish Catholic family. We're also were half Irish Catholic half Russian Jewish but and we're all together you know we're having drinks always ends up that weren't we end up singing meat loaf. It's our family anthem. Which Song Paradise by the Dashboard Light? I don't know how that goes. I don't WanNa put you on the spot but like could you sing a little baby part of it okay. So it's little things happened all yesterday and then Something something's not another car and say and I was like ooh shop shop shop shop shop and then he says and I never met a girl. Lookin' innovative than you did. And all the kids at school they will wish they want me that I i. I know the beginning was a little information but then I can the rest of it. I know pretty well. So is this something that just comes up naturally. Every time you're altogether like someone will kick it off or is it organized fully know someone random will kick it off. I mean we go so far as at a family wedding. There's a woman that sings with MEATLOAF. She is wonderful. You know the whole thing is about him getting laid so he's basically telling her I love you so that he can sleep with our and then she's like a sleep together when you love me forever you know what I mean. So she has his whole part where she's singing. So all the girls Lineup all the guys lineup and we sing it to each other like a show. It's amazing I want to be in your family. It sounds Sir my gosh. It's so much fun it's lake deal has it's been since you were a kid. Oh yeah fully. I remember when my sister married a guy from Germany and his family was visiting and this broke out one night where it was like the girls on the guys and we all sang and and my cousins get really into it and his family. Who's pretty conservative? Didn't know if they were seriously fighting or yelling at each other because they get so into the different parts of it was so funny we just tend to take the piss out of staff and just have a good time all right. So here's a fun fact. Meatloaf is now a Vegan. And here's an interview. He did with Oprah where they now about how he got his name. Okay I got it when I was four days old not the low part just because I was born bright red so the doctor suggested that they should keep me in the hospital for few days. My Dad actually spoke like this so I want you to name my son there because he looks like nine and a half pounds of ground shook I. I won't to put a name tag on the front of the plastic create in same meet on May stuck renting car. Send me and that was it. And the low came about in the eighth grade. I stepped coaches foot. Any screened at off my foot you hunk of meat loaf. And that was Laura refunds last meal. She is such a genuine down to earth person. I absolutely love talking to her. Make sure an order her book. It's called his mother's a feel-good live. Well stay connected guide for Moms just in time for day weekend. This episode was produced more Scott recorded with Aaron Mason and theme music. Fi Prom Queens. I encourage you to go to doom. Wop Dot Com D. O. M. W. O. P. to buy her music and support an artist who can't work right now and while. I'm Boston you around. Please follow along on instagram. Your last meal. Podcast I've been doing something called the quarantine cooking club every week. We all cook a dish together. It's always one of the last neal's from a past guest on Tuesdays. We've votes in my instagram stories. And on Thursdays I announced the winner. You can use any recipe make any version of the dish you wants and then post your pictures instagram and tag neon them. You can find more on my instagram page. I'm Rachel Bell and this is your last meal. Have you heard that Paris? Whittles joke about Laura Prawn now Harris whittles genius comedy writer. He's no longer with us but he wrote. Did you guys hear about that? New Deal that you can go in on with a cast member from that seventy show and you get a discount on mustard and or salad toppings. It's a Laura. Pre Pond Grey poupon croutons group. I love a little word play and every time I your name I think of Grey poupon only brain is so tired. Oh okay all right. So here's a fun fact. Meatloaf is now a Vegan. Isn't that ironic? Don't you think please don't put that in real dumb a little. Too Ironic Real. Yeah it's like flies in your Chardonnay. She's a Jersey girl by the way. Just like you your Jersey girl. I'm Jersey Jersey girl.

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This Week @NASA, June 14, 2019

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00:00 sec | 1 year ago

This Week @NASA, June 14, 2019

"The latest about our Artemis program and astronaut shares her story with students and another record breaking maneuver by one of our spacecraft. A few of the stories to tell you about this week at NASA. Administrator Brian Stein, spoke about our Artemis program during a June tenth townhall at our Glenn research center in Cleveland Ohio, artists missions will land the first American woman, and the next American man on the moon by twenty twenty four by using innovative new technologies and systems some of which are being developed at Glen. Glenn is going to be very instrumental and helping us achieve these goals for a sustainable lunar return, and an eventual mission to Mars our Serena on chancellor, stopped by excel academy, public, charter school on June tenth as part of her post flight, visit to the Washington DC area on chancellor, spent one hundred ninety seven days in space, as a member of the international space station's expedition, fifty-six Fifty-seven crew contributing to hundreds of experiments in biology, biotechnology physical science and earth science, she returned to earth in this Semper twenty eighteen. Science continues to flow from Arcus Seaney mission to Saturn, which wrapped up in 2017, a new paper published June thirteenth in science describes findings from the spacecraft's closest ever operations of the planet's main rings, the findings include fine. Details of features textures and patterns sculpted by tiny moons, or masses, embedded within the rings that interact with the particles around them this raises questions about the interactions that shaped the planet's rings. On June twelve hour Cyrus Rex spacecraft performed another significant navigation maneuver. Breaking its own world record for a spacecraft making the closest orbit of a planetary body. The maneuver began the missions new phase known as orbital be and placed the spacecraft six hundred eighty meters less than half a mile above the surface of. Asteroid banou. A newly installed webcam affectionately called seeing twenty twenty offers the public alive, bird's eye view of construction and testing of our Mars twenty twenty Rover at our jet. Propulsion laboratory in Pasadena, California checkout, go dot NASA dot gov slash seeing twenty twenty four. Continuous live video of the Rover taking shape before it launches next year on one of the most technologically challenging interplanetary missions ever designed. On June twelfth administrative Breitenstein Stein was joined by US Senator, Ted Cruz DC council chairman, Phil Mendelson and author Margo Lee shedder Lee at a ceremony to rename the street in front of our headquarters in Washington e-street, southwest, to Hidden Figures. The event honored Katherine Johnson Dorothy pon and Mary Jackson, who were featured shedder, Leigh's book, and subsequent movie, Hidden Figures, as well as other women who have dedicated their lives to honorably serving our country advancing equality, and contributing to the United States space program. That's what's up this week at NASA for more on these and other stories, follow us on the web at NASA dot gov slash Thuan.

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Sometimes It's Not You, Or The Math | With Laura Prepon

Modern Love

21:50 min | 7 months ago

Sometimes It's Not You, Or The Math | With Laura Prepon

"Modern love the podcast supported by policy. Gene yes we never really know what's going to happen in the future. Being unpredictable can be fun. But YOU WANNA make sure you can predict a secure future for your family and one way to worry less to get the right life insurance. That's where policy genius can help be prepared for anything with life insurance in just a few minutes. You can find your best price and apply at policy. Genius DOT COM policy. Genius will always get the future wrong. Better get life insurance right produced by the island at WBZ. You are Boston own from the New York Times and WBU ARE BOSTON. This is modern law stories of love loss and redemption. I'm your host Meghna Chakrabarti If you're dating right now you know it's a whole new world you might be trying to figure out which of your APP matches is worth of virtual dates what the most flattering lighting is for zoom. Call what small talk you can make. When you haven't left your apartment for a month it might even be enough to make you know sell gic for what dating used to be but this week's essay is a reminder that even when you could date in person finding the right person to be with has always been a challenge. Sarah Echo writes about that in her essay. Sometimes it's not you or the math. Sarah's essay is read by Laura Pre Pon Laura's best known for her work in that seventies show and orange is the new black. Now she's out with a new book. It's called you and I as mothers on my first date with mark. He asked how long it had been. Since my last relationship I looked at the table coming my hand around my beer. I always hated this question. It seems so brazenly evaluative and Employment Cow Star enquiring about a gap in your resume a dental hygienist asking how often you lost. I knew he wasn't appraising me. We had worked together for two months and in this crowded bar. We spoke with the easiness and candor. Good Friends. He told me about the pain of his divorce. The financial strain the loneliness he had been hanging around my office sending flirty emails in most adorable to me in mortifying to him blushing whenever I spoke to him he was kind of in the bag. But I still didn't answer. I didn't want them to know the truth that I was thirty. Nine hadn't had a serious boyfriend in eight years. I had seen men bulk at this information before even when the numbers were lower they would look at me in a cool and curious way as if I were a restaurant with too few customers. A House that had been listed for too long one man actually set it. What's wrong with you? I don't know I had answered. But you're attractive. He said as if he wasn't sure anymore. I don't know what to Tell You. I said I don't know I now face with marks innocent question. I had used a long time. I said quickly. Markson seem to notice the evasion. He said his beer and we moved on to. Other topics are co workers. Douglas Copland novels Seattle and then on a street corner outside the bar to our first kiss. I knew I would eventually have to tell him but not yet when my long ago date asked that question. What's wrong with you? I was of course outraged. I finished my drink said I had to get up early. But honestly his question was no worse than the one. I've asked myself nearly every day. It wasn't full blown soft loathing more a hollowness that hit me in the chest at certain times along subway ride home from a mediocre date a phone conversation with a married friend who suddenly said she had to go. Her husband just took the roast out of the oven. My solace came from a place where single women usually find it. My other single friends we would gather on weekend nights swapping funny and tragic stories of dismal dating lives reassuring one another are collect beauty intelligence and kindness marveling at the idiocy of men who fail to see this in our friends. Mostly we would try to make sense of it. All are married friends really so much more desirable than we were once in a while someone will declare that married women were actually miserable that it was they who NBC us but this theory never got too far. We knew are married. Friends wouldn't switch places with us no matter how much they complain about their husbands. Of course there were many popular books. Television shows that detail the lives of such women but in those stories doorman constantly approached the heroines in parks bus stops and ask them to dinner. The sitcoms single woman is never alone for long. She skips from one man to the next changing boyfriends as frequently as she changes purses my friends and I had various states and many relationships but mostly we were alone while many of us Washington. Enjoy these shows and didn't entirely mind when people remarked that our lives were just like the protagonist the stereotype. They created the over thirty man. Hunting singleton cast a shadow over us being an unattached woman. Who would rather not be somehow meant that? You were a nitwit. A bubble head who had few concerns beyond shopping pedicures. Will he call my friends and I had no interest in shopping her pedicures. But that's an an stopped us from feeling wildly embarrassed that we longed for love. Admitting that you wanted a husband much less that you were distraught. You didn't have one seemed like a betrayal of feminism. We were supposed to be better than this not that any actual feminine said. It was so awful to WANNA relationship the emails we received from now and planned parenthood focused on reproductive rights and equal pay. Not dating and marriage. Professing a need for love could also be taken as evidence that you weren't ready for it. One December night I was having drinks with a married male friend. He grew exasperated with my imminently annoying complaints about having to spend yet another holiday season without a partner. Sarah in almost every way you have it together. He said but on this one topic you turn into this ridiculous girl like single women everywhere. I had bought into the idea that the problem must be me that there was some essential flaw arrogance low self esteem fear of commitment that needed to be fixed. I needed to be fixed as a freelance writer. I couldn't afford a therapist but my job did give me access to some of the country's best mental health professionals as I wrote articles on first dates and breakup I interviewed psychology professors therapists shamelessly peppering the conversations with anecdotes from my own life. I was trying to get. At the root of the problem for the benefit of womankind and for myself I also talked to a lot of self help authors. There was the tough love. Married lady who declared the key to finding soulmate was to grow up. Quit whining and do something about your hair. There was the magical soulmate finder. Who Prescribes keeping a journal? Long Hikes. Candelight it bubble bath another hocus pocus and then there was the man. I E A moderately. Cute Guy who wrote a book who gave insider tips on how to hook up with them which involves not being critical and having long hair so I grew my hair out I took bubble baths and of course I started examining my issues was my failure results of my Layton Commitment Phobia cleverly masked as really wants and commitment as one helmet. Herod expert implied. Did I feel inherently unworthy and broadcast that low self assessment? To every man I met another gentle suggestion. Did my failure to love myself mean I was unable to love another or one are positive enough. The experts agree that a positive attitude was very important to attracting man. I could see it sure but this is not my strength. I believe global warming is real and having a fantasy I believe people who think everything happens for a reason must have never opened a newspaper. Some I call it negative. I call it realistic. A lot of good things happen during my period of constructing Sarah two point oh I went to artists. Colonies taught storytelling to young people from disadvantaged backgrounds adopted. A rescue dog learned to do a handstand. All under the banner of learning to love my single life and I made sure that everybody knew my life was super-duper awesome with or without a man. My adorable -partment my fulfilling career. My amazing friends. But I also knew I couldn't play the car too often. Less THE GREEK CHORUS CONCLUDE. The My well oiled life left. No Room for love as a male friend once told me sometimes see a woman who has our act together so well that you think what does she need me for. My efforts yielded many friends and filled my calendar with fulfilling activities. I went on Internet dates speed dates and blind dates. I had great hair and a confident smile but I was still alone in the dark of Saturday night. I still asked myself. What's wrong with me? Mark Nine dated for a month before I revealed my shoddy relationship resume and when I did he shrugged lucky for me. He said all those other guys idiots and that was it to mark. I was not a problem to solve a puzzle that needed working out. I was the girl. He was falling in love with just as I was falling in love with him. Six years later this past June he and I celebrated our first wedding anniversary. My close friends. The ones with whom I shared my impromptu therapy sessions had come to the wedding and a small Brooklyn Park and so had their husbands. Did we find love because we grew up? Got Real and work through our issues. No we just found the right guys. We found men who love us even. We're still cranky and neurotic. Haven't got her careers together and sometimes talk to loudly drink too much and swear television news we have grey hairs unfathomable close and bad attitudes. They love US anyway. What's wrong with me? Plenty but that was never the point. That's Laura Pre pollen readings Sarah eccles essay. Sometimes it's not you or the math. We'll catch up with Sarah after the break. Modern love is sponsored by policy genius. If there's one thing humans aren't great at its predicting the future just take a look around no amount of crystal balls fortune. Cookies or tea leaves could predict the world. We're living in right now but unpredictability is also what keeps life interesting. The trick is to enjoy the ride without worrying about what's around the corner and one way to worry less is to get the right life insurance. That's where policy genius can help policy genius makes finding the right life insurance a breeze. In minutes you can compare quotes from the top insurers to find your best price you could save fifteen hundred dollars or more a year by using policy genius to compare life insurance policies. Once you apply the policy genius team will handle all the paperwork and red tape for free. They can also help with home or auto. So if you haven't found a play by play breakdown of your future inside a crystal ball or a cookie. That's okay be prepared for anything with life insurance in just a few minutes. You can find your best price and apply at policy. Genius DOT COM policy. Genius will always get the future wrong that our Life Insurance Right Sarah Echoes. Essay was published in two thousand eleven. The response to it was huge. You know that morning that first morning that it was published. I just woke up to a huge email inbox of people from all over the world. I think I remember the first email that I opened which was from a young gay man in Brazil. Who said you're describing exactly the feeling that I've had in the question that I've asked myself? Which is what's wrong with me. It was quite overwhelming and and really fascinating to me that so many people around the world. This question that I had felt was so personal to me. What's wrong with me? Why can't I make this happen? That question was so widespread so many people were struggling with the same response. Sarah and mark have been married for nearly ten years. Now they live upstate. New with their cat. They bought a house and Sarah says mark reminds her step away from all the things she should be doing every once in a while. It's become a thing where we're Saturday. We always just do something that where we accomplish absolutely nothing. That's really just for the fun of it so That might mean driving to Albany and seeing a movie and going to dinosaur barbecue or going hiking and he's really taught me that every day. I would always make sure I was accomplishing something. And now there's a one day a week that nothing really gets accomplished and Sarah says she hopes listeners here one central message of her piece. The world is telling you that you're not okay but I'm here to tell you that you are okay. The world is wrong and deep down. You already know this you just need a reminder. It's not that you have to be perfect. It's just realizing that despite whatever your insecurities or anxieties are. You are fundamentally lovable. And you deserve to be loved. We First Book to Sarah Echo in February since then the world has changed so much that we wanted to check in again so Sarah Santos a short audio post card that she recorded at home. I'm just so aware of how much more difficult this is for. So many other people so I think it's it's just giving me a renewed appreciation for mark and and for the fact that we had already had a very gentle relationship and a commitment to really being kind to each other and of course. That's that's made a difference throughout all of this. We asked Sarah as someone who's thought a lot about the single life. Does she have any advice for single people right now? I think it's really important that both single people and people who are not single respect this experience that single people are having. No one has really experienced anything like this before. And if you are somebody who is sheltering in place with a spouse or family or friends and people that you love and basically get along with. I think it's really important to recognize that. What you are experiencing is profoundly different than the person who has to stay especially to stay in a New York City apartment by themselves for a month and and who knows how long and Sarah adds that. It's okay to be lonely. Especially right now. Loneliness is not a pathology. It is a normal human reaction like hunger or thirst. It isn't an indication that there's anything wrong with you. So that was the other thing I learned to do is say okay right now. I feel lonely. That's okay because that's a normal feeling that everyone feels sometimes and so now. I'm just going to investigate. What is this feeling of loneliness? It really kind of seems like crap advice like just sit in the corner and feel pain. Yea It just sounds like the worst advice but it's such a difficult situation but perhaps there is an opportunity to strengthen your own kind of emotional resilience Sarah Echo. She's a freelance writer and her book is it's not U Twenty-seven wrong reasons. You're single more after the break. We know there's a lot of bad stuff in the news these days but the reality is there's also a lot of good news out there. Compassionate people doing amazing things for others every day in the new season of kind world. You'll hear stories of people. Transforming their communities helping others adding positively to the world kind world wants to be your twenty twenty news counter programming a podcast that promises to restore your faith in humanity. In trying times kind world will help you see the good that surrounds us. All subscribe to the new season of kind world now on apple podcasts. Or wherever you listen. Here's Daniel Jones editor of the modern love column for The New York Times every once in a while but pretty rarely a writer tackle something so commonplace but makes it so new and fresh that you kind of gas and that was the case with Sarah's essay which explores this incredibly common phenomenon of of not finding love and assuming that it's because you have some sorta profound character flaw that is keeping that from happening and coming around to eventually find someone that you're a good match with and realizing that you just hadn't found the right person yet there's really nothing new about that story arc but the way that she presents it in the way that she in the end comes to the conclusion that of course. There's plenty wrong with me but that was never the point. There's someone for everyone and Dick cliche aspect of that and is the chew aspect of that. And here's Laura Pre pond. I remember the days of being single and looking for my partner and asking myself what is wrong with me. Where is he and just searching and then finally? I found him. I do believe in happy endings. And that's why I chose this essay and especial thanks to Laura for recording herself in her Home Office with a new baby at home. She's author of a new book called you and I as Mother's modern love is a production of the New York Times and Wbz you are Boston's NPR station. It's produced directed and edited by Caitlyn O'Keefe original scoring and sound design by Matt Reed. Iris Adler is our executive producer edited by Catherine Brewer. Daniel Jones is the editor of modern. Love for the New York Times and adviser to the show. The idea for the modern PODCAST was conceived by Lisa. Tobin additional thanks to me Lee Julius Simon and Anya in at the New York Times and Paul Kahlo at Wbz you are additional music courtesy of a PM. I magnin Chakrabarti. We'll see you next week.

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Gear | Picking The Brain of Phil's Personal Club Builder

GOLF.com Podcast

20:16 min | 1 year ago

Gear | Picking The Brain of Phil's Personal Club Builder

"It meant that, you know, all major players who make Phil Mickelson's team. But there's one guy, you likely don't know. That'd be Calloway senior club performance anal scare pon Garrett. Thanks shop on the Pali to be with you. How's it going going good? Hey, so senior club forms analyst, that's title. That makes me think you spend your tastes, crunching numbers about or formats. But I know there's a lot more to your job than that. An important part, which is you are the, the personal club builder for thir-. Phil mickelson. How in the world did that come about? Yeah. So Bennett Calloway now for about eleven years and working down here at our test center for a little over eight almost nine years now. And when I came down here, I got the job with, with the understanding that I was going to be a fitter like I had been for a few years, but also a club builder and I didn't actually have really any club building experience. And I knew that I was going to be building clubs for for two or players, and in particularly was going to become Phil Mickelson's club builder. A lot of the guys out there on tour seem to like having one person have their hands on their clubs. You kind of build a relationship with, with the builder that way in an understanding on how they build how they measure, a lot of guys are, are like that. And Phil being the, the local, you know, San Diego guy likes to get all his stuff done here tests center. So as as the old builder left the company I got hired as the new one. So I had to go through a, a decent amount of training before they released to the fire and start building for two or players that rolled through the test center. So there was a little bit of learning curve. But I still learn a little bit all the time actually about. You know building clubs but it's been a good experience, working with Phil and had the opportunity to work for numerous other players build building clubs for for them. Other down here testing. The fun time. Do you remember the first time you met fill in the first time I met him? I was actually not working at Callaway was working at the bridges in Rancho Santa Fe, which is a high end country club. He's a member there and I met him there while I was working in college. And we used to talk about the chargers, mostly when when we'd kinda briefly run into each other in at the club there. Big big football fan. And then I can remember the very first time I had to modify a driver for him. I got his driver in my hands and at the time, we did not have adjustable Haase's so to, to, to change the law to change the Lionel we'd have to put the drivers into a big mold that would stick the hustle out of the top of it, and you'd literally bend it with a crowbar sort of like you've been the Lofton lie on an iron and added in the device, and he's literally right over my shoulder going, did you do it? Did you do it? I'm trying to bend this thing in and at the time those are kind of easy to break, because you're trying to bend a piece of titanium, which is a little not quite as flexible or pliable at as steel as so maybe a little bit nervous doing that. But we got it done. Most nerve wracking exp. I would imagine having Phil Mickelson over your shoulder as you're as you're trying to, to modify golf club. Yeah. And that's, that's a club that he's expected to take to a tournament in a couple of days too. So you never wanna break a guys gamer right before an event. So a little nerve wracking. How long do the take for you to to build up a trust level with Phil, where if you had a suggestion or you just knew that filled enough to worry about what you were doing anymore. And he'd kind of trusted you to just get the job done. I think he trusts me pretty well now but I would say it took a little bit of time before. You know, that was the case at least a year two. What's the one thing about Phil's clubs? If you told somebody that was a total gear nerd that it would surprise him. Probably the most surprising thing is that his dri- driver's historically have more draw bias than than than pretty much any other player. Not always the case. Not not in his current drivers. I don't think but that would be historically true in just just because he's trying to kinda hit like a like a sling draw is probably the reason why. Well, his tendency on hit location, trans little bit more into the heel. So we put the center gravity, a little bit more in the hill, so that the center of gravity offset at impact isn't his great so that he would hit the ball a little bit straighter in almost ten years that you've been working with Phil on his clubs. What's the what's changed the most about his build setup not a whole lot. You know, he's always had a fairly similar set makeup pretty strong lofted three would that he can hit a long way off the tee drivers. Typically set up for for maximum ball speed. Sixty four degree law beds. Smaller headed irons in his shorter irons and typically some, some type of more of an oversized or or better distance type iron for the for the longer irons. I'm glad you brought up the sixty four degree wedge because that kind of ties into my next question which fills obviously a magician with his wedges, but what's the process like building a sixty or sixty four is it pretty standard or, or anything about Phil's, wedges that, that makes his different than than your standard build. Nowadays, his current PM grind short for Phil Mickelson. Obviously, that's his that's his wedge that we've designed with him. And it's it's pretty much as simple as taking his shaft length grip and, and gluing that onto that head. There's no need for special customisation other than that. That's not that wasn't always the case. The first PM grind wedge. We took what we thought we wanted in the wedge, and over some trial and error started to incorporate some of the things that are in the new pm grind through grinding on the soul and bending of offset, and, and changing the lion goals, and so forth. So it used to be a lot more kind of artisan work trying to get his wedges exactly the way he, he wanted them whereas now he seems to be. Happy, the way they are right off the shelf kinda nice because he's going to get the same thing every single time. How often are you guys talking about trying different builds because I heard that Phil kind of pops into the performance enter on, on a fairly regular basis he come comes by a lot. He doesn't do as much testing here because it's pretty easy for him to pop by pick up a club. He can do some testing at home or on the course courses Eddie plays here in town. And he seems to get the best feedback on how the clubs perform when he's out on the course rather than than on a range. But he, he definitely is always thinking about trying to get better. I can remember times several years back like over the holidays, where there's not a turnament for weeks. And he'll he's called me. You know eight or nine o'clock at night, saying he's got some, some pretty cool ideas for fairway wood for next year. So he's always thinking about trying to get better. And I think that's one of the things that, that makes them great as his drive to be great. Who else do you get phone calls from eight or nine o'clock at night? When it comes to cla builds since you do work with the other players just some Gulf nerd friends. That's about it. Well, I actually perfect way to to go into my next question, which was just, you know, everyone thinks fill is a mad scientists whose constantly trying to come up with new club ideas to, to get better is, is the persona bit overblown, or or is or is he kind of guy who is just constantly trying to come up with the most outlandish ideas for? Hey, what about this? What about that? Yeah. I think I think that's a fairly accurate. Representation. He's always. Trying to be creative on ways to get better with obviously the use open appel beach being on tap. The, the first seen that always comes to mind, when you mentioned, Phil Mickelson is golf clubs is just all the different setups. He's used over the years. Franken would to drivers know driver five wedges, if, if you all are kind of starting a dialogue, about maybe trying different club or tweaking something for a major how early before the major do you start that dialogue, probably not more than than the season prior? And it's usually either something specific for the setup. They hit out of the rough or something specific for the setup hit off the tee or something specific to us around the greens. Those are kind of the three key areas that he'll sort of focus a certain club for a major. There was one time. However, were I remember, I think one of the years he, he. Put an extra wedge in at a Gusta and I said, what, what club are you gonna take out? I think he said it was a five hundred ninety was taken out, and I said, that's not you don't think you're gonna need any fires. It goes numb, man. There's no five irons at Augusta. And he, he took me through every single hole and told me that the clubs that he hits off the tee and into the greens from the various tea boxes and pin locations, wind conditions. She said there's no fires. And I thought that was really interesting to know, course into know your own game as well as he knows both of those things to know that who with, you know, certainty he's not gonna hit that one specific club at all. So he can take it out of the bag. How many times has film club changed since you've been working with them where you're a lot where you said. Wow. I didn't see that coming. Or it's maybe something we worked on, you know, months, maybe prior it kinda resurfaces and it just maybe. Prize. You a little bit that happens quite a bit. It doesn't seem like I'm surprised by the stuff he does now because he's, he's so much type of guy where you never know what he's gonna do, but a lot of times I'll make up clubs for for him pretty much everything that we make that might have a chance of working. Okay. Forum. I'll make it for them. And then all kind of leave it up to him when he's in the mood to test certain things or a liked to have some things for him if he feels like he wants to tinker a little bit all have some things ready for them, and then he might take him and hit him, or he might take them and not hit them. He might leave him here at the test center, and then it could be weeks months. Years later, all of a sudden he's he's playing with them right now. He's using some of our epic irons, which is a good example of that. I thought that would be a good iron. For him and his long iron a long time ago. I think in the four iron and then studying I better make them some of these other irons, just in case in and he's used almost a whole set of those at times the season. Even. So that's an iron that is not typical for tour player but working really good for him right now. So that's a pretty good example of, you know, him putting something in his bag this kinda surprising win. Did you all start kind of working on adding different irons, the bag because, you know, for a while during Phil's career used pretty much just the same version throughout his entire set? And then he re looked like you really started to get. Serious about trying other other irons, as you mentioned, just kind of maybe throw thrown a single version of, of one model in the bag. Yeah. He's been doing that. At least for the last few seasons. It it's usually something for the four iron to either be able to hit a certain distance off the tee. That he can't get out of out of the four iron that might he might be using shorter clubs. So I think that kinda just progressed to maybe investigating, you know. You know, some of the other losses. Well right now is using the epic irons really likes the spin rates. He gets with, with those versus some of the other irons, we make and in particular the consistency of spin at he gets whether he's from the rough or from the from the fairway he feels like the yardage that the ball flies is more, similar from the fairway in from the rough with that club than any of our other irons, that he's sitting right now. So let's talk Franken would here for second, because that's one of the clubs I think a lot of a lot of gear heads always wanted to Scott's, mainly, because it was a club at Phil wanted to use it agus and it was a complete one off. What are your member about being a part of that whole process? What, what sticks out to you about being there when Franken was being created? Well, I didn't have as much to do with the creation of that project. That was some of the engineers that, that kind of really. Tested their abilities to put something together as quickly as, as they did. They didn't have the, the typical lead time to try and get that club ready and kind of tested are prototyping abilities here in Carlsbad. But I just remember what his goal was his goal was to have driver that allowed him to swing the same as his three would and hit it farther than his three would. So typically, if you swing your driver, the exact same as you hit three would hitting down on the ball, a little bit, which at the time was away that he felt like he hit the ball really, really straight. But if you take a typical driver and he hit down on it. You don't launch the ball up with his lowest spin. So he wanted a driver. He said, just build me a driver just like this three would so that's essentially what we did we made. We made a driver construct. The same way as a three would the same material. You know, it wasn't all titanium or titanium in carbon was a steel driver with the, the same technology, the Cup faced design, which is how we're trying to achieve more ball speed lowering the center of gravity. We put all those things into this into this driver and, you know, give it driver, loft instead of fairway wood, loft. So I just remember going to be in their here in what, what is goal was swing. Swing driver, the same way as three would and hit it as straight as three would but farther was Irving point because I know that it was a pretty quick turnaround on my club where we're and I know you're the guy who's building the club that you thought man. I don't know if they can get this all done in time. No, not really. I was pretty pretty impressed with their ability to take a concept, prototype it. And then. Get it in his hands and reproduce it a few times too, where they could get one fine tuned for him. What is the wildest Chretien that you feel disgust that has never seen the light today, because I'm sure there's got to be a few that, that you kicked around realized. Yeah, I it's it sounds great. But there's no way, you know, we tend to. Do what we can for Phil. So most of the stuff that he's been serious enough to, to wanna pursue. Will do Franken woods, a good example of that. So the wedge that he's using right now the PM grind a totally different looking wedge compared to most of the clubs that are out there in the marketplace. You know, we, we made that for him, and it actually got to be so popular that that's one of our better selling wedges out there right now. It's popular to the point where some of the other manufacturers have come out with a similar product. So if it's a cra- sounds kind of like a crazy idea. It's, it's there's pretty good chance that it, it's at least been made for him. Would you say that Frank woods probably the wildest creation that, that fills ever put in the back? Yeah. That's probably safe to say. I can't think of anything, you know, less out there than that, you know, a fairway wood driver. That's different, especially this day and age where all the drivers are, are, you know double the size. So I remember bones used to veto when, when there was that was, there was a shot that Phil. Absolutely. You did not want him to hit. I have you ever at one point had not maybe not a veto? But but said, hey, Phil, I'm not quite sure about this. I mean you mentioned the fact that kind of everything goes, but as ever been a moment where you've, you've kind of been like Edano about that. No. Not. Really? I mean he he's not, he's not gonna ask me as far as the club building goes to do anything. That's too early. She hasn't yet to out out of the realm of what makes sense if you weren't a club builder. We're gonna Callaway. What, what would you be doing? Or what do you think you would be doing the switching gears quite a bit? Probably always wanted to follow in my family's footsteps and run a real estate. Office, which is why I ended up down here in San Diego in the first place for to go to college. I went through the real estate finance program at San Diego State, and right. When I was graduating, I, graduated college in two thousand six it was a pretty bad time to try and get involved with real estate, and I had a golf background and met, the current CEO of, of Calloway, right? As I graduated. And he kinda opened some doors for me here at Callaway and the rest is history. I've had it had a great time being here. You mentioned the fact that when you came to Callaway, you didn't really have any, any building experience. How, how long did it take for you to, to get comfortable building golf clubs to get fairly comfortable? I would say took, you know, a couple of months safe to say anti to get to where I felt like I am. An expert at it probably took a couple of years doing it every day. You learn a lot, you know, every time you do it, what, what works well what, what you can do what things effect. Other things in the golf club. What, what one change causes a change to another part of the club, things like that? So takes a while to learn all those things. But the basics of it, it's not it's not as complicated as I guess, I wish it could be great. No problem Jones.

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What to do when your self-improvement creates fears and conflict in others

The Overwhelmed Brain

53:08 min | 1 year ago

What to do when your self-improvement creates fears and conflict in others

"He want freedom and ease from anxiety. Get the powerful safe system for anxiety at quiet begins dot com life presents the toughest challenges every day. Hey you are faced with decisions that test your ability to express who you really WanNa be in this world. We're told to keep saying affirmations and keep thinking positively but what are you doing. That stuff doesn't work. Welcome to the overwhelmed brain where you'll learn to make decisions that are right for you so that you can create the life you want now in hello and welcome to the show. My name is Paul Colajanni and I'm here to help you. Increase your emotional intelligence so that you can avoid dysfunction handle toxic situations with grace and ease in show up as your authentic self especially around Thanksgiving and Christmas and all the other holidays. That are coming coming up. I just want to let you know that everything I talk about on the show is. My personal opinion is meant for informational. Educational purposes only always consult a medical or psychological professional before making any the changes that could affect your physical or mental help. And like I said you know the holidays are coming up. And how do you show up for family. How do you show up for the people that have known you all of your life? How about the ones that know you so well they know you better than you know yourself? I should put the whole lining quotes. I know you better than you know yourself. There are some people that you know. They may see through us. They may see our weaknesses. Are Vulnerability is our strengths. are inner everything. They might Z.. Everything about us that we may not see and then there are those that think they know us. Those are the ones that I expect us to show up in a certain way and when we don't they aren't happy about it and I'm referring to those that don't like when we make improvements in our life because if we make improvements that means they have to try to figure out how to show up for us because how they're showing up now may not it be compatible with how we show up and what I mean by that is you go out into the world and you improve yourself you maybe find work make an income make a family get into relationships get out of relationships and move again. And then you're you're doing everything on your own learning life experiencing life and making a life for yourself so when you you come back to family and you've had all of these experiences in you've done a lot of work on yourself you've done a lot of healing you've done a lot of growing. Maybe some forgiving. Maybe some growing hatred toward people that you grew up with or just a reminder of people in your life some toxic people that you don't WanNa see anymore but you have to because maybe their family online you come back with all these life experiences and now people people expect you to be exactly who you were when you left and hopefully that's not you. Maybe that's not you but if it is you this is is who I'm talking to. I'm talking to the people that come back to their family and suddenly when you WANNA show up in your new and improved emotionally evolved way. They aren't ready for it and they don't like it and they want you to be who you were and it's hard to be who you were when you're so oh proud of who you've become or at least you're proud of becoming the person that you wanted to come in. Every step forward feels like a step into a better self a better you in so when you take this better self back home or where you grew up or your family is. Are you accepted as this new person argue. Welcome with open arms in open hearts and warm smiles and People that say wow you have changed so much and you look so happy. Are you welcome like that. That are you may to feel like you are loved and that is the important part when you come back to people have known own you all your life where they know you better or not or maybe they don't know you would. All in the have expectations are not. Are you still welcome if you're not. This is where the challenge comes in right. This is where we have to deal with these people from our new self health or old self and that is the choice that we make when we run into people that have known us a way before we started any type type of self-improvement self-help journey. And so we come back to these people. We have been on a self help journey and they say something or do something that is Old School it is old to us. It is toxic to us or it is draining emotionally draining energetically jetty draining to us. And how do we respond. And I you know. I grew into a teacher of of emotional intelligence. I have grown into being a coach for others. I've grown into creating the blog creating the podcast. And so I've had to you not only figure this stuff out myself You know the growing in the healing in the moving toward being something bigger and better and more improved than I was always always on that process But when you do that in you invest your life into it and you become the teacher to others or at least the best teacher for yourself allowing life to teach you along the way as well you will get people that challenge what you've been taught what you've learned in what you're teaching so for my perspective as the coach as that a guy on that podcast as that author of that blog as the person out there doing what he can to try to give you some good information for life fin for relationships. I have to be aware that what I put out there. This can sounds spiritual comes back to me it. Ah Literally comes back to me if I start teaching you about boundaries. Just what's GonNa Happen to me. It comes back and suddenly I'm faced faced with a challenge of boundaries and this has happened many times especially since I started teaching especially since I Russian say it that way especially since I started this podcast. I started teaching long before that but when I started the podcast and put it out into the world suddenly on challenged challenged even more and I think part of it is because you are my accountability partner. Everyone listening I have an audience of probably as of this recording fifty thousand or more fifty thousand. People are my accountability partners. You are one of them and when you are listening to this and I tell you a story of my life it is because I have faced the challenge and either passed the test or failed in want to share with you. What happened so I create the accountability ability? I need to make sure I figure out how to pass the test and so it's not like I figured everything out. I mean when people write to me there are still challenges that I have not learned about yet because I haven't faced them myself. I can get people through a lot of things that happen but maybe not everything that happens if someone writes to me and says I have no job I have no income. I'm about to get kicked out tomorrow and I have no no friends. I live in a town. That's a thousand miles away from anyone I know and I don't know what to do. I don't think I'm going to have an immediate answer. I don't all I can say is I've been there. I've faced that challenge and the answer. I might come up with is. You're GONNA have a hard time. It's not GonNa be easy and as long as you realize that the other side exists and you'll make it there eventually. Eventually it may not be tomorrow it may not be in six months it may take awhile that means you have to rely on resilience and tolerance Lawrence and looking into the future having faith. It's there and that it's waiting for you and that you will be there eventually but also knowing that you're GonNa have some hard times it's like the email I just read regarding This person being single for a long time. I've been single forever. How long does it take AAC? How do I go out and make friends? How do I go out? Go Out and meet the love of my life. What do I do you talk about relationships a lot but you hardly ever talk about a single people? How do I love myself? I get it when we are with someone else Bajada. Why have a great relationship with myself? Hopefully everything I talk about on the show us contributing to your life as an individual. Hopefully you are nurturing yourself. I Have talked about self love and self compassion and self care in many episodes but there's also the social aspect of being human. I want to get out there and meet meet other people. I want to be with other people. I went to have a romantic relationship with other people. All of these things exist inside of us in you know I would say most of us there. There's some people who say that. No I don't need a relationship. Maybe they've been through relationships maybe they never had an interest in relationships world different but the majority of us want relationships Asian ships we at least want connection with someone we at least want someone that can listen to us every now and then and talk to us every now and then and maybe even even physically touch us every now and then and so there's the the aspect of our lives that we need to connect with other people so when I get emails where the person explains to me that the most normal aspect of being human they're not experiencing. There's no easy answer. Answer there's no easy solution but there is always a first step. There is always a first step. I think the first step for a lot of people is to move and that's a generic first step but move because there are some people that just wait for something to happen while they don't move and maybe the second generic first step is to get out of the house so not only. Do you move away from your computer off the couch. You get out of the House if you can some people. Oh can't and some people might find hard aleve. Some people have social anxiety. You know talk about the safest. Some people have disabilities and so these challenges come along that feel l.. Almost impossible to get through and get by and what I like to encourage you to do his when you have a challenge that comes along that that you believe is impossible. You might have to become the teacher. You might have to be the person that challenges yourself to to get through it no matter what that is something that I like to do it in in myself and it's funny. I'm talking about this right now because I have. It's something in my life. That scares the Heck Outta me in. It's a challenge and I WANNA say no to it. That's the first place I go. I want to say no to it but but here I am when I'm teaching about the challenge. The challenges coming my way and when you become the teacher you have an opportunity to learn learn and grow and heal and evolve through whatever it is. You're working on so I like to look at my life as one of those experimental mobile whole laboratories that is a testing ground for new challenges new opportunities and understandings in discoveries stories that I learn along the way in the path of life so that when I get it under my belt I can take it back to family so all this comes back to what I brought up earlier. He is when you meet your family as the new. Do you continue being the new you you or the person that you used to be that they're more comfortable with and you're not there's a boundaries issue right there do you show up yourself self in honor yourself and be yourself with these new people and some of them are going to agree with your life decision. Some of them are going to agree with your political decisions. Some of them aren't going to think that you're on the right path at all. You're not with the right person and how you handle. That will be the challenge. It will be something that you either apply as the new you or deny as the new you and what I mean by that is you can do what you've learned as this new person or you can reach back into those old coping mechanisms and dysfunctions and other behaviors. That probably aren't helpful now. But we're helpful at the time you had to get through some old family stuff but you still have those tools also available to you. But which ones are you going to use. Are you going to become the younger you that they're comfortable with or stay the new and improved you the your comfortable with. That's the challenge. Right bats aware of the sometimes impossible. Step arrives in front of you and win that step is there. Do you take it or not in my goal when it comes to challenges is to assess what I'm going to gain and what I'm going to lose for for example. The challenge in my mind right now is something that I have a lot to gain in very little to lose yet. I'm scared to do it. I have a fear about it. It and I can tell you what it is. I'm still working on. I'm still processing it but I have a fear about it in. This fear is something that I can either choose to overcome and put it in my tool belt for a future tool or allow fear to override the opportunity opportunity to get past the challenge. And so you know I'm Kinda talking myself into it right now but at the same time do I really want to pursue it and on and on and I I have a lot of things to think about just like when you're in front of family or people that have known you all your life you might have a lot of things to think about am going to ruin this relationship with this family member or old friend or whatever because I want to be myself because I want to honor myself because I have boundaries because I I am an alignment with my values. Now I am going in a path that I appreciate that I respect about me and increases my self esteem. It increases my self worth and feel really good being this new person yet. Here's this other person in front of me that is trying to relegate me back back to that old person that I don't miss at all. Maybe you miss some things about that old person or not. But you certainly don't want to behave like I used to behave that enabled any dysfunctional or toxic behavior. Because by doing that. If feels like you're taking a big step backwards again. I've been there. I've been in that situation where a family member put me on the spot and I had an opportunity to show up as this new person. The one I teach. Check out our people about or show up as the old person just to keep the peace and when those decision come. They're scary. They're hard and and they will define your path from that point on and I've noticed that and that's why it's scary because this defines your path. I mean this could be one of the reasons that scary but when when you have the opportunity to show up as the old person or show up as the new person then make your decision carefully. You know my disclaimer as always if the person is violent or aggressive. Maybe it's better just to placate them and get away from them. That's fine but if it's just a irrational fear that you're still carrying around or you believe as rational because Xyz will happen and you don't want that to happen yet. You still feel like if you made the decision to on yourself being alignment with your values keep your boundaries intact. Then maybe the best bet would be for you to honor yourself and go forward as this new a person and when you do that your life will be defined from that point on and you'll have that new tool in your tool belt so that anyone you face from that point on is a lot Saudi easier because when it's not faced we carry around old tools when the challenge isn't addressed in confronted confronted and overcome we keep the old tolls and we don't want the old tools I mean. Some of them are useful. Like I used to be a people pleaser and that can come in handy sometimes. Sometimes sometimes it's easier to say you know what I'll do whatever it takes just to get through this moment. That's fine. I can access that old tool. It's a good resource every now and then but I'm not gonNA use it to drain myself. I'm not going to use it to dishonor myself. I'm just GONNA use it as a tool when I needed however we have these new tools else now. One of these new tools might be. I'm not going to allow people to disrespect me. Imagine caring that around. I hope I hope you do. I hope you don't have to imagine that. I hope you do carry that around. I'm not gonNA allow people to disrespect me if you're carrying that around and then someone you used to know who knew you as that other person suddenly says something. That is disrespectful. And maybe you really notice how disrespectful it is now because back then you were maybe a little bit more of a pushover or maybe you didn't recognize the disrespect by now you recognize it now. You have an opportunity to say something or or do something in stepping into that fear without thinking about the consequences burst and just thinking about. I could redefine this relationship now now. I can redefine my path into the future with other meetings with this person that other people right now one of my going to do. I think the goal should should be to improve yourself. I think the goal should be to remember your boundaries and your values and what you really like about yourself and what direction you appreciate. She ate going in. And then make that decision. And I hear people out there right now saying but all these other variables. I won't be able to see so-and-so so-and-so anymore I won't be able to see my grandkids I won't I won't be able to see my sister or my brother. If I say this to that person my friends will leave me. And they'll l.. Tell all their friends and I won't have any friends left absolutely this could happen. This is a real possibility and this is where are the most personal growth the most difficult and most powerful leaps of faith that you can possibly take are and what what I mean by. That is when you show up as the person that you want to be in that you have become after all these months years you are taking a leap of faith that the other a person is GonNa want that for you. You hope that they want your happiness. You hope that they want you to care about yourself to love yourself all to honor and respect yourself. You hope that they feel that way about you because you want them to feel that way about you not only because you would like to keep the relationship or improve their relationship but you would hope that they actually cared about you enough for you to care about yourself you would hope that they would actually actually honor you honoring yourself. You would hope that they would actually be happy for you because you're happy and if you aren't getting getting that response you soon learn who doesn't want you to be happy. And who wants you to keep them comfortable while you stay uncomfortable and I looked at my past with two specific relatives that I honored myself stayed in alignment with my values and I. I did lose them as anyone that might want to connect with me in the future at least for now knows may change in ten years. I don't know but I do know that when I show up as myself in front of people I get to find out if they really care about me if they really love me if they really support courtney if they really want me to be happy because if they don't what I find out is that all they want is other people to conform to what makes them comfortable. And when I find out that I was just upon. WHO's GonNa sound a little harsh a little pond in their game of making making them feel more comfortable making them happy? It doesn't feel very good inside of me to have this person in my life and then I have to make the choice Whether to keep them in my life anymore because if it was never a give and take where I give and they give back and it was always just taking from on me. I don't like being used. They may not see as using other people may not see it as using but it feels used it feels like they only used me to satisfy their own needs and never gave back to me now maybe in small ways I could find ways they actually this relatives. I can't find ways of actually given back with any meaning. It does seem like an always served them in some way but you you might find some people that yes share. They've given back in some ways but then you know it's important to consider. Are they doing that as part of the game. So I don't WanNa make anyone in your life sound like they might be playing a game with you and you're just a pawn in their game. I don't WanNa make it sound like that. I just want you to be aware that when you you decide that you're going to show up is this new and improved you and you like who you are or even love who you are which I think is a great place to be and you don't get get supported in this good positive happy feeling that you have about yourself. Then it's important to remember that. Perhaps they're not ready. See for you to evolve and they are only more comfortable around people. Who Don't they are only more comfortable around people that stay the same so that they you don't have to change and if you're around people that don't want to change and don't accept you changing you? You might call that toxic. You might call that dysfunctional. You may not. I mean you may think people right now that aren't toxic aren't dysfunctional but just don't like your changes and they don't want to be around your with you and that's perfectly fine. You're gonNA find people like that too. I don't like what what you're going through. I don't like all these changes. I'm seeing you. I need to get away from you because that makes me uncomfortable and I can't connect with you anymore. There are some people that won't be able to relate to you anymore more. I used to be able to relate to you. Used to be able to talk about this and this and this and now you're not even interested in that so I don't really want anything to do with you. They may not say that to you. But they'll start ghosting. You start disappearing from your life and when they disappear that's one of the consequences of going through the Self self-improvement processes that you might find that you don't have the same interests anymore. You have the same values and you don't have the same ideas on what makes you you happy in so their ideas are different than yours. And that's when you have to accept that it's okay to let these people go and that's not saying that you're better than them or they're better than you. It just means. Sometimes this happens sometimes. You just don't have enough in common anymore more and you have to be okay with this process of knowing that as you keep moving in an ideal direction for you do that. Some people can't follow it doesn't mean they're necessarily bad people some of them just don't understand and some of them have old ways. Some of them are old school. Like I said and they don't want changes they just WanNa live there live and hopefully everyone else lives their lives the way they've always lived their allies around that person so they don't have to worry about anything changing ever and bill just get old and die and they'll be a happy that everything was the same and in this world is very hard to keep things the same because things are always changing and we hear it over and over over again. Change is inevitable. It's just GonNa Happen and when it happens to people that we know in love when either support their changes where we reject Jack and don't want anything to do with them. I don't like the way you're changing. But is that a fear in us if we don't like someone else's changes is that something that we think think we're going to lose. Is that something that we are so focused on ourselves that we don't understand that what they're going through is a positive thing and what we're going through is our fear of the steps. They're taking because if they take those steps what happens to me. That's the fear that comes up and that's a fear that might be coming up for people in your life if you go through these changes. What about me sows a little selfish sounds narcissistic? It could could be that. People are afraid that if things around them or people around them change that. Something's going to happen to me and this is where my my final point about this. Is that we comfort people by honoring ourselves and loving them at the same time I call it honoring yourself with love for others when you honor yourself and show that you still love and you still support. What they're doing with their life even if you disagree you just know that they're on a path that works for them or maybe it doesn't work for them in their miserable but you know they're doing doing the best they can and when you do that shows them that you are open to their changes or not and hopefully that rubs off on them so they can look back at you and say you know it seems like you're changing but you still show me the same amount of support maybe even more so because of that? Because has I still see that your deep down inside really caring loving compassionate person Toward me and my thoughts and feelings matter to you then I think I can support you back. How often does that happen? Probably not as often as it should but hopefully it happens. Hopefully when you honor honor yourself with love for them. They'll see that you're doing it that way. And they'll get it and bill catch on and they'll say wow. That's that's really cool what you're going through. I love that you're going through that and thank you so much for not pushing that on me. Thank you so much for not thinking that I need to take take the same steps that you take. That really feels good. I don't feel any threats. I don't feel like you're pushing your values onto me not feels really good so I honor you you and I support you as well and that's a good feeling again. It may not happen like that but when it does that is ideal. That's like the most ideal that's when you know that people even though they might have fears they still support your path. You know my definition of supporting the other person's path to happiness. Even if you disagree with it and boy when you can give that and get that back you've got a bond you've got something that is almost indestructible so in relation to my last point here about honoring yourself with love for others. Let me give you an example. Something I've talked about on the show before is when a relative of mine wanted to borrow money and this relative borrowed money a lot from certain family members and certain family members would always give in. Sometimes they they would get back. Sometimes they wouldn't and this person never actually asked me for money but one day I was home and this relative was over and this this person asked me for money and all these thoughts went through my head. I know that if I say yes it's going to be like opening the door so that this person can ask me Over and over again. I don't like that feeling. I don't want that feeling plus if I give this person money now I'm always thinking what am I gonNa get back. Maybe I should just give this person money and treat treated as something that I'll never see again or maybe I should just nip it right here and give this person my truth and that's what I decided to do. I said you know I'm not going to give view money and I am telling you this because I don't want our relationship to turn into something where I'm always thinking about the money. You owe me or worried that you're going to ask me about the money I mean I just want to let you know that I love you and I wanna Keep what we have and I want to continue moving forward but I just don't WanNa make our relationship about money and so so I don't want to offer that to you and I could tell this person was not happy and said something they will find or something like that and pretty much. That was the end of the conversation and from that point on I never saw this person again and this person is sort of a close relative and it's sad because I really wanted to keep a loving connection with this person but I couldn't I tried honored myself by not wanting to get into that game of okay. I'll give you some money now. Anelka I'll give you some money so again some other time. I didn't WANNA play that game and so I decided to just not be part of that honor myself and show love for this other person. And that's what I did and I was honest. I genuinely wanted to the have a loving caring kind and money free relationship with this person and they didn't. They didn't want that they wanted the relationship to be about about the money and I didn't want to include that in our relationship. It doesn't mean that if an emergency came up that I wouldn't pop in see what I could do to help. But that wasn't this person's pattern and I didn't WanNa get sucked into that pattern because it made other people uncomfortable. It made me uncomfortable and I just didn't unlike it so honored myself. I heard values and I made sure that I I still show this person love and I still wanNA relationship and I wasn't going to make it about the money and wants. The money. Discussion was over. I was hoping to continue making our relationship. Great wonderful in it wasn't and it made me sad because I lost someone that I really thought I would have a connection with for the rest of my life and it doesn't seem to be that way and it's sad because I really thought that they would support my decision as well as another important aspect of this. Is that if you have a decision to make and the other person doesn't support that decision decision. You have to wonder why you have to wonder if they really care about you being happy if they really honor your boundaries if they really value all your values but if that's not there like you give that to them but they don't give it back to you then what kind of relationship is it are you that Pon on. I mean I hate to paint that picture but it does feel that way it does feel like so the only reason you wanted me around is when you needed money and that's what this relationship based on. I don't want to be a part of that. I hope you're not a part of any type of scheme or game even if it's unconscious even if they don't realize what it's about and I want you to be sucked into that pattern at the same time. It may not be a game it may just be fears that maybe maybe something that neither one of you has learned yet and you need to learn by you. Never learn it because no one ever speaks up. No one ever tells the truth. There's there's always some other thing that you say or do they get you out of the conversation or get you out of the dilemma and the choice to address. The dilemma addressed the challenge. Instead of avoid it is going to like I said define who you are and define the relationship from that point on. I realize that's a huge scary step most of the time because if it wasn't a wouldn't be a lesson that you could put in your tool belt and grow from. It would just be another Dan the park it would be a lot easier. But that's what tools are made of tools are made of the the hard challenges that we decide to except and figure out how to grow through even though there is the possibility of loss and challenges can come with loss a can be a loss of your fear it can be a loss of a friend it can be a loss of your insecurities it can be a loss of your draining energy or it could be a loss of someone. I'm on important to you. Sometimes the law says good. Sometimes it doesn't feel good but either way I believe getting through the challenge puts you on an elevated level so that the negative he doesn't feel your life doesn't mean you have to accept every challenge and always on yourself with every single person that comes along because sometimes those those people are connected to other people and you have relationships that you're trying to keep alive or keep around and sometimes if you say this one thing to this one person than this other part of your entire life changes in. Maybe you're not ready for such big changes. Not everyone is ready to climb the mountain and make the sacrifices prices and be the wise one that isn't afraid of any type of loss for the greater good of the self. Not everyone's ready to do that. I I tried to do it when I can. And sometimes I choose not to. Sometimes it's just not conducive to living my life in a normal way because sometimes you can only take so much loss and sometimes you just have to bite the bullet with some people and realized that those people will never change. That's really my final point. Sometimes people won't change change and you have to decide if you're going to accept them as who they are because they want except you as who you want to be and if you can do that and you can be fine with it in realize that they're not gonNA show up in a way that will be mutually beneficial but at least you'll be okay with it then. Perhaps you will be okay at all the a family reunions that you go to from this point on and you'll understand that the new reality that you get used to isn't really personally about you at all is just about everyone. That's not necessarily ready for the new and may never be and when you're okay with that that's another step into self-improvement into an emotional evolution that helps you get through the challenges deep stuff hard stuff sometimes sometimes impossible stuff but you do your best and you try to take the opportunities when you can to help redefine who you are with other people in redefined you define your future so that life gets better for you as you move forward. We'll be right back and you know one of the things about about revisiting family. Is that sometimes. You're going to have to ground yourself before visiting family and what I mean by that is Sometimes you just have to chill meditate relax and realize that it may not go well. It's not just family. It's a big crowds or People you've never met or or maybe you're about to give that speech whatever it is it sometimes. You just need to relax inside yourself in. It would be nice if someone was there with you. You saying all right just relax. Just be calm and I want you to think of that. Wonderful place inside the Go-to that wonderful place. Not exactly that but you get what I mean. It'd be nice to have someone holding her hand before the things that usually usually make you anxious make you anxious and hopefully that person holding your hand helps you not be anxious at all. And that's why I created the safe system for anxiety ninety it's Social anxiety freedom. Ease it was designed for social situations but has evolved into more of any type of situation that makes you anxious and it is like someone holding your hand or at least proverbially while walking you through some really calming grounding exercises to help you feel more connected in in yourself and less fear less insecure because anxiety is one of those things that we really amplify inside ourselves when we don't really need to. There's not not too much to be anxious about when it comes to certain people starting events but we amplify it we think. Oh this is going to kill us. This is going to feel painful when win. Maybe it won't be physically painful but it's just scary and so that's what the safe systems all about is to help you understand that these fears that you have they can be addressed. They can be processed and they can be released. And that's what the system is designed to do is to help you release the fears. Years and evenings itself so he before you head over to family for the holidays or if you're listening to this that in it's not the holidays before you go. Oh anywhere. Put your headphones on and listen to the SAFE system. It's got quite a few modules on how to help you alleviate your anxiety so that you feel that freedom them in ease that would be a lot better than the anxiety that is usually in. Its place at quiet. BEGINS DOT COM. Check out the safe system them. See if it's right for you. 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If you need that to the mean workbook tells you all about manipulation emotional abuse and that gives you an assessment to help you figure out what's going on in your relationship uh-huh and finally I'd like to thank Ken. MACLEOD OF INCOMPETENT DOT COM for some of the music transitions in the overwhelmed brain. While I had a different idea for the show today I was GonNa talk about something else entirely and then I realized wait. The holidays are coming up at least in the US and other parts of the world and it might be a good time to talk about dysfunctional and toxic relationships especially when it comes to reunions and gatherings with with family. And you know you might be dealing with this whether it's a holiday or not in so it's good to have some resources good to have some tools under your belt and maybe you did. Maybe you didn't get any from today's episode. I hope he did. But if you didn't I have created a few episodes and even articles on dealing with toxic family members communicating with family as the new And you can find those over at the overwhelmed brain dot com. One of the articles I wrote is called. Is it ever okay to release toxic family. Another one is is how family drama can teach you a lot about personal boundaries. That's a good one. The other one is accepting or denying toxic family members. That's part of a three part episode. you know I used to have three titles in one episode and that one's third segment is accepting or denying toxic family members. You can use the search field at the overwhelmed brain dot com look for these and other ones called hanging up on family and that's finding the best way to handle continuously criticizing family member and almost every family has has one of those Almost and that might be helpful for you and another article. I wrote reconnecting with families. The new you. It's right in alignment with what we talked about. Oh today and more and more so just type in the word family in the search field at the overwhelmed brain dot com. And you'll find all these more. I've talked about this subject over born over again over the years and every time I talk about trying to add new thoughts new tools and new ideas for you. Because sometimes you'll hear a show and you'll go. That's that's not gonNA work. I'm not GONNA do that. That's ridiculous I can't do that she's going to yell at me. He's going to run off. And you have all these thoughts about what might happen and a lot of those might be true and you might think that what I'm talking about won't work so that's why sometimes you'll hear me talk about certain certain subjects again and again until you find the one gold nugget. That's GonNa work so every now and then you'll hear me talk about something that you've already heard but it depends on how long you've been listening. Sometimes you'll tune in you won't hear any of this until you hear for the first time if I create a new episode on it and of course not everyone has time to listen to for the last three hundred fifty four hundred episodes so this is why we sometimes talk about it but let me stop wasting time on how much you have listened to the show or not doc. I want to conclude the show by talking about how tiring it can be to not be yourself. I think that's one one of the most important lessons I've learned you know. I grew up as a people pleaser. I never honoured my boundaries. I didn't even know what values were and in being authentic wasn't even on the radar because I really believed I already was being authentic and when I say that I mean and when I look back at how I showed up in life and how people saw me. I really thought that I was being genuine but about one I was hiding underneath. Were my true thoughts and feelings and what I showed people on. The outside was what I wanted them to see. And when can you do that over and over and over again in every interaction with the same people in different people in different circumstances huge. Just get drained it burns you out. You'll burn relationships out you'll burn yourself out of jobs. He'll burn yourself out of almost anything because you're not being in yourself. You cannot wear this energy draining mask over and over and over again. And that's how I gauge things nowadays. If if I really don't think I'm being authentic I listen and feel to my body. While I listened to my thoughts I feel my body and if my I stopped starts acting up when I just said something that I maybe don't agree with I rethink it and maybe re say it and I might even say I didn't even know why I said that I don't mean that what I mean is this or I just said that and it didn't feel right so I don't think it's true. I think that's a good gauge. It takes a while to get there if you're not used to this especially if you're a people pleaser or your chameleon you adapt to all these situations it takes a while to get there to actually listen to yourself because it feels selfish. You think you're not being compassionate enough toward others by focusing on yourself. I mean depending on where you are with this for for me. It was always thinking about other people. What will they think of me? How can I serve them and on and on about them but never about what do I think of this and I especially never thought that I'm going to honor myself in the situation by disagreeing with what they're saying and going in the direction that I need to go for me me? That was way off the radar. I would never think to do that before I started honoring my boundaries and when I started honoring my boundaries and really showing up authentically telling people more of what was on my mind disagreeing with people saying no I meant no saying yes when I meant yes I found clown that I gained more energy. I'll have gained is the right word. I might have just kept my energy. That's what it is. I kept all my energy instead of giving it away. I call that power personal power. Whatever you WANNA call it personal empowerment when you live authentically you get to keep your power you get to keep your energy energy? It doesn't fizzle away. It doesn't drain because what you're saying. And what you're doing is in alignment with how you feel and your intentions and what you want to do inside your desires. You are fulfilling your own wants and needs and because you're very congruent with your thoughts intentions and then your behavior viewer. There's no energy drain it's like the buffer that used to be there you know the Universal translator that took your real thoughts and translated them in a way that came out nice to other people or different to other people. It took energy to run so my a universal translator that would take the thought of that guy's a jerk. I WANNA say no I will never do business with him again. That was was translated into. Oh No thank you. I appreciate the offer but no thank you and I took a lot of energy to translate into something kind. I didn't I wanNA be kind now. What happens and you may have heard me talk about this on the show before I remember the last time this happened was in the store and the guy overcharged urged me by adding on an extended warranty and he threw it on there without even asking me and that really ticked me off? Because he's done similar things to Jimmy in the past and I never really thought about it and I just thought he was being like overly friendly and said Oh you need this and this is what you need and this is what you need but really I could see the pattern. When he was always upping his own commission always trying to sell me the highest price thing not the best most appropriate thing in so I finally decided you know what I've had enough? This is not right. I'm thinking in my head. This is not right. He should not have thrown that on there without even telling me Or trying to sneak it in there so I said what is this extra charge. I didn't ask for that. That's very sneaky. You shouldn't put that in there. That's out of integrity. That's not honest. Then use those exact words. But that's the kind of energy when I was feeling and that's the kind of energy that came out of me and I set it very diplomatically. It wasn't like hey you jerk what's going on. I just said it in a way. That really made him face his behavior and that felt so good to me. It was a little scary but it felt good because it was so congruent with what that was feeling what I was thinking and what I wanted to do. And my universal translator didn't have to work overtime trying to find a way to say it nicely I just said it directly assertively and it feels so good to do that and I learned to do that more and more in my life whenever I can and I've noticed over the years as I do that as I practice authenticity. I get to keep my power to walk away from every interaction. Feeling good about myself if nothing else feeling good about yourself helps you keep your power so I want you to think about the things that would help help you feel good about yourself because being in that space probably means certain things to you for me. It's being in alignment with how I feel inside. It's being in alignment with my values it's honoring my boundaries. It's speaking up for me. It's letting the world know who I am. It's is being authentic as much as I can be not feels pretty good and I want you to feel good so just do me a favor and keep an open mind so that you can in step into that power this will help you be firm in all your decisions and actions so that you can create the life you want always take steps to grow and evolve love you are powerful beyond measure and above all and this is something. I absolutely not true about you. You are Yeah uh-huh

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Featured Interview with Carlee Myers

Breakfast Leadership

29:59 min | 5 months ago

Featured Interview with Carlee Myers

"This is the breakfast leadership podcast powdery burn outed. You make the choice. Here's your host eleven. Welcome back. I've got curly. Myers off the stress less company. I carly. How are you? Hey, I'm great. Thanks for having me. Thanks for being here. Stress less than I know. We talked about this in the pre show you. Why in the world do you think we need to stress? Less I say that tongue in cheek, but what what made you decide to launch an organization to help? People literally do what the name of the company's us. I'm going well I mean we could start with the simple answer which is. If we've heard like all of the side effects that stress causes rightly aired ability anxiety depression. It could be A. All the physical symptoms, heart attacks, strokes cardiovascular disease, but you know that's one reason, but for me personally I actually got into this line of work because of a childhood trauma something that happened to me when I was a kid and. For about ten years I struggled. I struggled with The symptoms of PTSD with jumpiness with overwhelm I. Mean You name it and I started this company because I was going through that I kept hearing the same. Mainstream approaches stress management over and over again we hear therapy. We hear meditation, we hear. Yoga we here working out, and there are a few other ones that are that are in there and what I found for me. was that while some of these things worked a little bit or they worked? They may even work a lot more. They never got me over the Hump and so I felt like I was stuck for about ten years until I found the thing that worked for me, and so on Pon, realizing that there was no one-size-fits-all I was I. I spent I. GotTa be honest. I spent a few years being quite angry as like. Why isn't anybody talking about this? And then I realized that I'm the one that has to be talking about it, and so the stress less company came about. I can relate when it comes to the. Why isn't anybody doing anything about this? And that's why launched my business to talk about burnout many years ago, because a seeing all these people walking around like zombies burned out, not enjoying life I had owned burnout journey back in two, thousand, nine and ten, and after recovering from that and coming out of that experience better than what I was before. I knew that people could actually be better. Than they are, and no one was really doing anything about it, so so okay. I got to bring awareness to this. And now we're starting to see. It talked about a little bit more, but. It's still talk. Because we're not I'm you know I? Of course? I look at and I'm sure you do, too. You know look at all the news articles and posts that are on the variety of. News sources whether it's anchor Forbes or thrive global, or you name it. You know it's being talked about which is good. The awareness helps when people are talking about it, but. You know it's been a few years now and we're still talking about it. We're not making any headway. Even with the World Health Organization you. IDENTIFYING THE BURN OUT IS A. A forget what the something phenomenon I always forget what they called it, but basically it didn't classified as a disease yet, but it's getting closer to that and. Having worked in healthcare for a long time, I would agree that you may be classifying it as a disease may not be exactly what they need to do, but there needs to be a lot more awareness when it comes to dealing with stress and as you, you said there's. So many direct and indirect issues with that the fun address. It can really create huge huge problems for people. Yeah, absolutely, and you know it makes me think about. I've spoken to hundreds and hundreds of people about their experiences with stress and right now what what a lot of healthcare professionals are finding that an even individuals were finding that? We're checking ourselves into the hospital. We're going to urgent care revisiting our doctors. Because maybe we can't breeze. Maybe we feel like we're having a heart attack only to be told by the nurse by the doctor by whoever that maybe we should take more bubble baths, or maybe we should relax. Maybe we should take that metaphorical. Chill pill, because we're actually just having panic attacks or actually just feeling anxiety. And I think that we need to. You know that's one of the reasons I started. This company is because again. It is all talk, it's it's almost like A. There's a great team that says like never in the history of calming down. Has someone calmed down from being told to calm down like a, but that's what's happening in our in our healthcare system in our. Even our close relationships were saying just take a chill pill I'll just calm down, but we're all on the other side of that saying. Okay great! But how or on the other side of hearing yoga exercise all these mainstream approaches and feeling like Oh, I tried these things, and they don't work for me and again. How how do I? How do calm down? How do I get out of burnout? How do I stress less I don't know and so feel stuck. Yeah all the tips. Oh, getting better sleep, taking care of themselves, taking vacations and all of those things. Yeah. They're great, but again jumping on the healthcare thing it's a band aid approach. It does an address. You know why. You ended up burned out the first place. Okay, why aren't you sleeping well? Why aren't you well? Why were you stressing out over situations that? From another point of view didn't seem like as big of a situation as that person made it out to be. There's all these things in a wheels down too often of. Whether, it's behavioral choices or past experience or unhealed trauma or Different things that make it happen and I think that's. Why it can be frustrating to to try to address it because you know it is addressing things that are going on in our heads and. A broken bone in your hand or your foot or your leg, and he can put a cast out it or you know cut or You, you're going to dress it, 'cause those are things that are seeing can physically be treated where you know things that are going inside of our brains. Were still trying to figure out how that thing works. It's it's it's. It's fairly an I know from my own personal story. mine works sometimes not all the time, but it does you know I can navigate life basically, but sometimes it doesn't work as well as I would like it to, but I'm still figuring out my own brain much less anybody else's. But so, we talk about this and and people are struggling with the house so. What are some things see you do to help? These people figure out that how. Yes I. Do want to say just like a little note about getting enough. Sleep eating right exercising all of that like. We already know that we don't need anybody to tell us to do that. At this point lives like we made it to adulthood. Don't need anybody to tell us, but you know in terms of how. The how and how to how to reduce stress, I do WANNA just back a couple of it and share more specifically. My story because I think it's I think it's really important. To understand where I come from so when I mentioned a childhood trauma earlier so when I was about twelve years old a man was murdered in my home, and my mom was shot three times. Now, my mom is she was shot point blank in the head through her arm in her L. Five in her spine. She was not supposed to survive. She was in the hospital. She was putting medically induced coma. And? My family was in turmoil as you can probably imagine so. Going through that I struggled for a really long time again with PTSD with straps with overwhelm you name it and. I kept getting those those mainstream approaches, and so I got really frustrated and I spent about ten years of my life first of all struggling, but also ten years of my life exploring the how trying to figure out because for me. One of the biggest symptoms that I had. After experiencing the level of stress and trauma and whatnot would was night terrors. And I remember waking up one day. Crying shaking just completely overwhelmed and I think and I had a great boyfriend in Highschool I. Call Him up and I. Just tell him I need i. need you here in need you here now. And the knight in shining armor that he was he. He rushes over to my house and I remember sitting in the stairwell. And looking at him, crying and shaking. And saying this is what sleep is. I never WANNA sleep again. So this is the kind of desperation that I was feeling when I was exploring like I needed a solution and none of these other mainstream approaches were working for me, so one of the first things that I recommend is to explore now what I'm not going to recommend is that you spend ten years of your life struggling with burnout with stress with overwhelm even PTSD or other mental health concerns without. Like just exploring, don't waste our time, but I figured out a simplified solution to get US started on the right track. So the first thing that I recommend in terms of exploring is to just get out your notebook and write a list of at least one hundred things that you love doing being having seeing people that you love spending time with. and this list can be anything like lick. It could be drinking that glass of wine. It can be going on a walk. It can be playing with your dog. It can be formatting excel spreadsheet. If that's what you're into, literally can be anything. And then once you have that list. You'RE GONNA ask yourself two questions. The first question is. If I. DID THIS ITEM on this list? If I did this item? Every single time I was stressed out. Would it be healthy? So, if I drink a glass of wine, every single time I was stressed out. would be healthy. No Now if I ate cookie dough cookie those my favorite dessert snack. Thing that you're not supposed to eat right I. IT cookie dough. Every single time stressed out. Would it be healthy non end up in the hospital probably with food poisoning. You just broke my heart. They're eating cookie. Dough is and healthy This is not. that. That's a spoiler alert people. You GotTa warn me on that because I'm part of team cookie dough as well so. You know I I have to tell you. Though the the prepackaged the kind with no eggs that is safe to eat. have saved my life, but. I. Don't eat that every time. I'm stressed out because I know that too much sugar is not going to serve my body I'm GonNa. End Up with a crash. The second question that I'm GonNa, ask myself when I'm going through this list is. Does this item bit within my resources? Does it to my financial reasons resources? Does it fit into my time resources? Does it fit into the overall structure of my life rate, so we might have Hawaii as a great strength like a great thing to explore on our list, but if we're broke that trip to Hawaii isn't happening, it's not going to help us reduce stress. Now. Going through, and if it doesn't fit into your resources, Cross that out from your list and then from there. What you have left are healthy ways in which to cope with your stress again this is. This is the first step that I would recommend. Start exploring. Start taking action on the things on that list that I left. That are most exciting to you now. Here's what I call this thing. The the items on this list I call this creative stress reduction. Now creative stress reduction is anything that gets us out of fighter flight mode, and into a state of play anything that gets us out of fighter, flight or flip fight or flight mode, or into a state of flow, a state of play, and the purpose of this of doing one of these items of playing with your dog going on that hike doing whatever that thing is. Is for you to be able to get out of that fighter flight, but think clearly and strategically when you're not in fighter flight about what you need to do to get to the root of your stress, so for instance let's say. I lose my job. or I lose important client, and I am overwhelmed I. AM stressed out and I am spiraling. I have that list I go to that list I. Find The thing that that really brings the most joy helps me get into a state of play. I do that thing I come out I'm in rest and digest mode I am able to think clear. Now. I'm able to go back to that problem. Not Stress Trigger and I'm able to say okay. I lost my job. What am I going to do about it? And we'RE GONNA. Think clearly so if we don't do that, creative stress reduction if we don't reduce stress it. We don't step out of fighter flight. What happens is as we go in the spiral. The Stress Viral is I'm sure you've you've heard of this are experienced this as well you know. The brain just goes out of control. You lose your. What am I gonNA? Do about the money. What are my parents going to think? What does my husband or wife to think? What are they going to? What is going to have edited? And you just keep going and you spiral out of control. But, what happens when we take that moment we do that creative stress reduction we step out of fighter flight, and into a state of play into state of of calm. Whatever? That beautiful state of mind as for you, you're able to sit and say okay I experienced the trigger. How am I GONNA? Make that money. Answer the question. What are my parents going to think? Does it really matter? What is my husband or wife? GonNa think they've been here for ten fifteen years. It's all good rate, and you're able to start answering those questions and creating a strategy to address that stress trigger more efficiently rather than from a place of fear. Love that list and I think. is similar size with people I work with and basically I I have them. Things that they really enjoy doing and then i. have them write down the last time they did it. 'cause I find the people that are burned out. Stop doing things that they enjoy. And I have them. pull out their calendar whatever paper or electron electric and pick a couple things on the list that they can do and the next couple of weeks, and I tell them book an appointment to do it and treat it as if it's a meeting with your boss. 'cause we often just kicked to the curb. Things that are preserving in self care for our own self because we're quote unquote too busy doing everything else and I I I love your This creative stress reduction tool because. Again what does get it realistic? Yes, the Hawaiian vacation may not be in the cards for you right now especially, if you are unemployed at S-. Although I, mean I say this tongue-in-cheek, but if you're GONNA lose, everything Kinda like I did my life. A decade ago why probably would have been a good place to get to before you lose? Everything is inside well I've lost everything, but at least I'm GonNa warm place. You know I say that tongue in cheek and I'm not making light of people that are in that situation. I came. Really close to being in that kind of boat end thankfully I didn't but. But one of the things that helped me I didn't have obviously this exercise, but something similar to going okay. What can I do today? And what can I focus on now and have that clarity because you know when people are stressed, clarity is miles and miles away. They they can't. They can't even make simple decisions because. All of the you know the fears or Traumas, or just their their mind is so clouded that they can't even decide what they want to eat much less anything else. So this is a wonderful, wonderful exercise and and sharing your your journey to i. think is crucial because. It gives people an understanding of. Why you chose to go down this road in launch this organization and do the work that you do because. You know that's some tough stuff. Go through. You know something you wouldn't want anybody. After experience and I'll be slim thankful that. Your mom was able to survive that and the were able to recover from that. Because unfortunately, a lot of people see things like that. Can't breakthrough and and and get past those things in it. it impacts their lives forever and unfortunately in many ways a negative way. Yeah you know it's funny I. I sometimes I go around. The US speaking, and oftentimes I'll get you know every once in a while get one person that comes up to me at the end of his speaking engagement and they'll say to me. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry that that happened to you and I. I have to chuckle a little bit and look them. Look I looked. indebting the is and I say to them I'm not. I am not sorry for one minute, yes. Someone died and that is horrific and horrible, and yes, there was trauma, but I have to tell you that. My mother is better for it that I'm better for it that my family is better for it and if it weren't for that, I would not be. Around speaking sharing this message and there would be so many more people who are struggling. Who feel like they WANNA, give up that don't get. That aren't able to receive this message so when I hear that I'm like I'm I'm sorry I'm not like it if that wouldn't have happened to me, I would not be here and I wouldn't have able. When been able to learn one of the biggest spiritual lessons I needed to learn in my life. so I wanted to share that and I I really. Thank you for giving me the platform to share. This different way or this different approach to managing stress so that when you know some of your listeners, they feel like. They have tried everything that the reality is that we haven't. It's there is no one size fits all, and and at the end of the day were not alone. You're not alone. That's important for people to understand and whenever I encounter anybody that's gone through any type of trauma or loss or experienced. It's impacting them in a way that you. They're not overly happy about. The encouragement in in and listening to them and letting them know that the aren't alone. in this there even though everyone's situation is different. There are some commonalities that come into play with people that have experienced certain types of trauma or loss, and why share my story in Hawaii share yours. Again is there's similarities when it comes to being thankful for it happening and I think that really throws people off when we say something like that. They're crazy. Yeah, they do the you know the. If you have a dog, the dog cut tilt sits, had a little bit and confusion grew, and it's the same same thing. It's like what you what you're thankful as I. AM because I. I would not be who I am today. I certainly wouldn't be on stage I certainly wouldn't have a podcast show. I certainly have published books or anything else that I've done I'm thankful for all those experiences I would've done any of those because it wasn't in my wheelhouse to even have a desire to do any of those things you know a decade ago. Now write a book for what you know it's like. Unless assignment for university or something okay, but now I don't have time to do that I'm working and doing all these other things but. Sometimes, life has other plans the okay well now we're going to. You do this and here we are and. So I'm? Thrilled that you're out there doing these things at talking so. You know that's obviously when experiencing year. Encounters people coming up to you occasionally and being so remorseful for your loss which you know, it's coming from a place exactly exactly, but you. What are some other common things that people approach you about when it comes to a stressing lesson things like that? What what some common things you're saying when you're dealing with these people you know I've been finding that. We are reliving in a society where busy as the new status symbol you know? Know you go up, somebody comes up to you and they ask you how you are. And most of us say busy, and then we pause, and there was a bit but good right busy, but good and so what I've been encountering a lot lately. Is that busy? Because busy is the new status symbol? We've gotten to a place where we suppress our emotions. We have to pick ourselves up by the bootstraps, and we just go through life. Experiencing So I will go and I'll speak and educate about how stress shows up. You know talking about eared ability snapping our partners missing important details at work you know three o'clock rolling around and having no motivation latte hitting snooze five times every morning. 'cause you don't WanNa get up to work. Talking about how stress really manifests and I found that. A lot of us don't know that were stressed. A lot of don't even know that were burnt out. We're so deep into fighter. Flight were so deep into pick ourselves up by the bootstraps. I got appointments to make things to do I got people to meet that. We don't even know that we're stressed out and so oftentimes. When people come up to me, they'll share like holy crap. I'm stressed. That I had no idea that's terrifying. And so one of one of the exercises that I I would recommend in this context is if we feel like we're, we don't. Even we've kind of disconnected with our emotions is to go to a mirror in your home in to Amir, safe space and look yourself dead in the eyes and I always I. Always Chuckle at this exercise, 'cause it is unconventional. But look yourself in the mirror. Look yourself directly in the eyes. Say something not so nice about yourself. Something that triggers us something that doesn't feel good, so let's say I have issues about my financial situation at bothers me I might go to that mirror and I'm gonNA. Look myself in the eyes and say. You're horrible at money. You don't know what you're doing and you're. You're never gonNa have it is never going to be there for you. And the point of this exercise is not to beat ourselves up at the point of the exercise is to get very clear on how stress and emotions like negative emotions shows up in the body so when I personally do an exercise where I say something. Not Nice about myself. I feel stress in my body in like a behind. My Eyes I'm not crying, but I feel as if I as as if if this continues I. Might I feel clenching in my gut and I might even feel something in my throat. This is my body signaling me that. I! AM stressed that I'm overwhelmed. I'm feeling a negative emotion, but. I may not psychologically be feeling it. That's one of the one of the most common things that I'm hearing is that we don't know when we're feeling stress. We don't know until we have blow up or a breakdown so getting an tune with how your body is communicating with you that your stress is going to be really really important. A really great tool free to catch it before it becomes something bigger before you're you end up. Burn out where you're in the ending up with the doctor's office before you're ending up having to take off work whatever? Really staying on top of that. You know after my cardiac event that I had. About eleven years ago now in my doctor told me see you're going to be more in tune with your body than you've ever been in your life. And he was completely true and I took. It steps further and. You know he journaling is something that I love doing and you know things that I do is keep track of my energy levels on how I'm feeling even if it's like I have tension in my shoulder or something like that I'm like okay, we'll. DIG Deeper. No, why would I have tension on my shoulder? Stretch something that I pick up something that was heavier than I normally lift at. They reach for something awkward was not sitting at an Ergonomic friendly station. Typing too much. What try to dig backs? You can see one seeking. Get ahead of it, but to just. See if there's patterns and rhythms because I'm looking at a journal or diary, which is what they more or less kind of our When you look back over a period of time, you can notice themes and trends especially if you keep track of your energy levels, your moods and things like that because you can. Pinpoint okay, this is a tough period. Okay? Why is the last couple months rough or you know? Why was January so difficult for people? What in what was going on that? You know created all of these things and and from there? You can do the work and say okay. What can I do myself? An how I? React those things how I feel them. Joining, to look in the mirror and start. Saying the things like you gave an example to. Stir feeling where this bothers me so when I have that sensation again is something else happening? That's external. That I'm not saying to me, but somebody else's experience that I can be in tune with it and go. Okay I'm feeling tightness in my chest. After dealing with this particular boss or the client or friends family member whatever in what you know that you can go, okay, what do I need to do myself? So that doesn't happen, and the answers are in the work to figure out well. What do I need to do in the situation? But if you're not aware of that than you just going to be breezing by it, and it'll just continue and you're like. Why am I stressed all the time when I'm feeling with the people? Exactly, that's when it becomes chronic when we aren't aware. That stresses affecting us a hundred percent exactly so if he had one bit of advice and others eighteen thousand a pieces of advice, you can give, but for someone that stress right now. What is one piece of advice that you give them to like? Start down the journey of. Not being stressed and living that stress, free or reduced stress life, there's always stress in life comes up, but you know that reduce stress life. What's what's one piece of advice? You'd like share. I would say absolutely get that journal out. Make that list do that process of elimination and start exploring ways to get yourself out of fighter flight because that is the that's going to be the difference between you. Getting to the root of your stress triggers and clear state of mind, and you create and chronic stress so. figure out creative stress reduction techniques that work for you would be my most important takeaway from today. That's awesome I'll definitely mentioned that in the show notes and again appreciate your time today and you know working people find out more about you in this awesome that you're doing. Okay Yeah so you can find us at. These stress less co DOT com. And everywhere on social at the stress, less co, and for those of you who are interested, we just launched a brand spanking new online course that can help you work through almost all of the things that we talked about on the podcast today and take it a step further. So if you're interested in finding out more about that online, course called the stress less masterclass. You can go to these stress. lesko DOT teachable DOT COM. Awesome, and I'll definitely have that in the show notes because I think everybody can benefit from learning some stress, reduction techniques and even. You know if it reduces their stress by ten percent of the the ripple effect that will have in a positive way on their life is just amazing, so thank you so much for for being ill and for this work that you're doing. It said it's crucial that. You're out there doing this stuff, because so many people need it. Yeah! Thank you so much for having me. Hey. It's Michael again. Thank you for listening to the podcast I. Really appreciate it. Sure like many people you're dealing with some significant stress and possibly approaching. Burn Out I. Know How you feel. In two thousand nine. My burn out led to a year of worst case scenarios. Do, not want that to happen to you. 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CNN10 - 5/19/20

CNN 10 (video)

10:00 min | 7 months ago

CNN10 - 5/19/20

"This is CNN. Ten coral loose on the heels of yesterday's report about a tropical storm off the US East Coast. We have a bigger more dangerous storm. Tell you about today. This was in the Bay of Bengal in the northern Indian Ocean and it could cause catastrophic problems for northeastern India and the nation of Bangladesh. It's named cyclone on Pon it's been hovering near the strongest classification of hurricane strength. The good news is it's expected to lose some of that strength as it approaches land so that could make it less destructive than it is now. The bad news is upon is expected to make landfall in part of the World. That is not well equipped to deal with it. The storm is headed toward poor areas with a lot of people and not a lot of good infrastructure like transportation and communications networks. It's expected to make landfall near the Ganges River Delta where the Ganges Brahmaputra rivers empty into the Bay of Bengal and that could bring major storm surges arise in seawater levels blown ashore by a cyclone natural disasters are common in this part of the world but this could be the first time a powerful storm hits indian-bangladesh during a disease pandemic both countries are seeing increasing cases and deaths from Kovic nineteen despite extending their lockdowns until the end of this month so first responders could be called on to both rescue people and help protect them from corona virus. Which will be a concern. Especially in crowded evacuation centers meteorologist. Jim Carey for CNN weather in a menacing tropical cyclone on Pon now equivalent to a category five hurricane if it were into the Atlantic Ocean but of course they have been goal very vulnerable region two hundred sixty kilometers per hour sustained winds gusting to three hundred fifteen kilometers per hours. And certainly very slow moving system and notice the track West Bengal Bangladesh. We're talking to you especially Wednesday into Thursday. This storm system is poised to weaken on approach towards land. But even if it does such a tremendously large system and such a strong system that we do know the impacts at even category two or category three equivalent could be significant now look at the population of Bangladesh. One hundred seventy million people compare that to the United States about three hundred twenty eight million people except Bangladesh. Roughly the size of an average state like the state of Iowa but again with half the population of the US packed into that region. So that really makes it that much more susceptible here too causing a lot of damage a lot of lives lost potentially and of course notice some seven hundred rivers and tributaries across this region. Twenty four thousand kilometers of waterways landfall at this point looks to be somewhere on the coast there. Near Calcutta that would begin Wednesday afternoon or Wednesday evening but certainly a story will follow here on CNN or the next several days Another way Spain is easing those measures. Its government is allowing professional sports teams to get back to practice. Even if they're in a region that still shut down they have to train in groups of ten people or fewer though there are signs of this opening backup in the US. Well live Gulf. Return to American television's on Sunday with a charity. That took place. Another is planned for next Sunday. Though you won't see any spectators yet president donald trump says sports are good for the nation psyche. That they're missed wanted and needed. And that's something being echoed at the youth levels too but when they get going again across the country and this won't happen all at once. They'll likely look a lot different than they did. Before the Koran virus pandemic struck summer and kids playing baseball they go together that was until the pandemic shut. Nearly all you sports but in Missouri. It was game on but there were changes. It's layered yeah definitely doesn't feel normal. Take the baseball's wiped down with bleach water every half inning in the dugouts spray down after each game and teammates to stand six feet apart. These yellow flag that marks their spots parents and fans they have to social distances well and expect to see similar precautions in different use sports. Here's how USA. Swimming is telling its twenty eight hundred teams to set up for meats and still maintain social distancing high fives fist-bump and post game handshakes all a thing of the past. That's according to Skip Gilbert. He's the CEO for us. Youth soccer which has almost three million registered players who the social distancing is key. He says most of their seasons will star backup in June. So he's ordered coaches and organizers to create new Cova oriented safety checklists when you get home. You're cleaning your boots. You Wash your hands. You're washing your uniform. You're doing all of the things just to ensure that if there was any contaminant that got onto anything that you would brought to that. Fueled the play that you're making sure that you remove it even with all that plenty of parents are telling us. They're not letting their kids play team sports right now. But then third those like Jill daily on her twelve year old son. Peyton he supposed to attend a pricey soccer academy the summer. Why are you so comfortable letting peyton place? I think we're okay. We're doing our you know washing our hands and keeping our hands away from our face. Maybe if we even if we came into contact with someone and we have to quarantine ourselves for fourteen days up something we can do. Ten Second Trivia Salt Marsh Atlas and Indian meal all types of what vultures moths herbs or beat. These are all types of God's insects that often fly by nights. Those are just three of the one hundred. Sixty thousand species of bonds and new research suggests they may play an important role in pollination. How do scientists know this a few years ago in Norfolk England? Researchers swabbed more than eight hundred moths and then studied the pollen on them. It wasn't a direct study of pollination process that fertilizes plants and produce seeds but instead it look at how pollen is transported. That's an important early part of the pollination process. Scientists found that more than forty five percent of the mosques they studied had visited dozens of different plant species during the night including some that. Bees and butterflies didn't visit during the day and researchers say this adds to the importance of conserving the insects because like bee populations moth populations are decreasing worldwide scientists. Say to address that people should reduce the use of pesticides when possible and make sure that. Moths have a food source an undisturbed place to live. Their research was published in the Journal. Biology letters less story today is about a dog named Moose who despite a possible identity crisis has just received an honorary doctorate during a virtual. Commencement Ceremony Virginia. Tech Moose has been working there as a therapy animals twenty fourteen. He's one of four dogs that had participated in more than seventy five hundred counseling sessions with students. His owner also works at Virginia Tech as a counselor. But it's Moose who just got his degree in veterinary medicine. Course he'd never tell the undergrads moose over the Labra doctor who just got his dog. Paloma is an excellent. Who's on Pod to help? Students. Take on whatever's dogging them to retriever a sense of bona fide well barking. I'm coralline Moose. I mean Zeus for CNN. Ten that dog might have been a labrador. But it's the HUSKIES. We've got today watching from Elgin. Highschool in Elgin Oregon. We'll see tomorrow don't.

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#889: The Pay-What-You-Want Experiment

Planet Money

19:19 min | 2 years ago

#889: The Pay-What-You-Want Experiment

"He's a big deal. Now, the founder of Panera bread. But back when he was in college, he was just Ron shake some teen getting kicked out of stores was tossed out of a local convenience or wait. You got kicked out of a convenience store in college. Yes. What did you do the accused of shoplifting? I did nothing. I share. I am positive. Okay. Ron shake vowed to never go back to the store. And I said why don't we open our own nonprofit convenience store if they don't appreciate our business. Let's let's do our own Ron was nineteen years old when he opened the store on his college campus. What did you sell we sold everything you might want on a college campus, crackers and snacks beverages cleaning supplies? Run was good at opening stories. He went on to build this little cafe called Obam pon into a big chain. And out of that came another big chain called Panera bread. There are more than two thousand Pinera's now. Now, and you know, runs a good guys kind of guy takes his kids to volunteer at food banks on the weekend. And while they're all volunteering. He starts thinking that food pantries are actually really inefficient. He might as well just write a check he thought. And then one night. He's watching the news. It was actually a rerun of the NBC nightly news. He said, and they had this story about this cafe in Denver called same short for. So all may eat that allows customers to pay what they want. There's the menu with no prices and the customers those with and those without at same. Cafe it didn't matter if you had money to pay for your meal and runs thinking, the sounds great. I can do something like this. I said we open a cafe every two days, we have more equipment more resources more capabilities. This is this is something we could do he thinks Pinera can do this faster, bigger and better private sector efficiency. And this is the moment, he deci. Sides. He'll open nonprofit versions of Pinera's. They look in taste like any other. But customers can decide what they want to pay. I fundamentally believe that there were enough. Good people in the world that they would do the right thing. But I particularly loved torturing the cynics who were arguing, you know, no way. No way, this would work everybody. You know, it would be lunch on okel. Ron Ron was making a big bet not just on the business, but on human nature that wealthy people and poor people would want to sit side by side for lunch. And that people would be so generous that these restaurants would break even and a professor who really knows consumers was watching all this with a lot of interest. What was your first impression of the idea? My first impression of the idea was this will never work. Hello and welcome to planet money. I'm Sarah Gonzalez Bobkov, Dan is with us from the podcast. Household name. They tell stories about how brands affect our lives today on the show, an experiment in charity that goes right to the heart of human nature, the relationship between what we believe in and what we will actually spend money on. It's a story about homelessness broccoli, cheddar soup and the war between good and evil that rages within every consumer. Support for NPR and the following message. Come from ZipRecruiter. You know, what smart kicking twenty nineteen off by determining which rolls your business needs the higher for? And when you're ready to hire ZipRecruiter can help their technology finds the right people for you. And actively invites them to apply. That's why ZipRecruiter is rated number one by employers in the US based on hiring sites with over a thousand reviews on trust pilot NPR listeners can try ZipRecruiter for free at ZipRecruiter dot com slash planet. Money. Human behaviour doesn't always make a ton of sense at least on the surface. I said, would you mind if I give the dogs a little piece of cracker with some hot sauce on it? And without and see what they choose hidden brain, a spicy podcast about science psychology. And why people do what they do. Pinera's are kinda like fancier fast food there little healthier and a little pricier. And when Ron said he was going to let customers pay whatever they wanted for Panara food. He decided these special cafes needed to be an areas where there were enough poor people who could benefit from the generosity of enough. Wealthier people are whole idea here was not simply to create a nother homeless shelter or another soup kitchen. It was actually to have a real meal and a real meal with dignity. So he creates a nonprofit arm called Pinera cares instead of cash registers. The cares cafes have donation bins. All the prices on the menu are just suggested prices to give customers some idea of how much food actually costs and the whole idea and hope here is that enough wealthier customers will pay more than the suggested price. So the needy can eat for less the first location. Opens in Clayton, Missouri near Saint Louis in two thousand and ten Ron actually stepped down as CEO to get it off the ground. I can remember that first day we opened a cafe I waited on customers. I waited behind the counter I worked one hundred hours that next week in the cafe Ron then opens more a nonprofit Pinera's in Chicago, Boston, Portland, Oregon and Dearborn Michigan right outside Detroit. I was a reporter in the area than I remember thinking hunger. Such a big problem. Maybe this could actually help no big restaurant corporation had ever tried this. And there was one professor who studies consumer behavior and consumer ethics who was thinking what Ronnie's proposing goes against everything I know about how consumers behave what is the most depressing thing you've learned in steadying consumer ethics. Oh my gosh. That's wow, there's a deep well to to to pull from now. Jonah Eckhart is a professor of marketing at Royal Holloway university of London. Well, I'll answer that by telling you the title of my most recent book on this topic, which is called the myth of the ethical consumer. Yep. There are no ethical consumers. Genus says help people feel about a social issue like hunger, and how they behave in the marketplace are two totally different things. Meaning like, I can hate sweatshops. But I might still buy a pair of tennis shoes that from a brand that uses sweatshop labor. Exactly. So she's like I have to follow Ron's experiment. She actually observes these cafes for years, these Pinera cares cafes. Got going quick soon. They were serving four thousand people a week. And of course, there were a few early problems like Ron had designed these big signs that explain the model the menu the mission we put so much energy into building these signs to tell people to do the right thing. Thing pay what you want pay what you can pay it forward. But apparently people don't read signs. Everyone was confused. Like, what do you mean suggested prices? So now, they had to spend money to hire someone who could stand at the door and explain how this whole thing works, but whatever like they were serving the needy. This is what Ron wanted. And you know, there's a certain kind of person who's going to show up when you do something like this like this kids who take the whole bowl of Halloween candy. Yeah, they showed up. I can literally remember couple of kids local Ohka kits walked into our store in in Clayton, Missouri, and they walked up to counter kind of laughing, and they said I'll have three smoothies, and and and to roast beef sandwiches, and here's my dad's credit card put three bucks on it. I just wanted to jump over that counter. And I wanted to grab the kid around the neck and Lacombe, and I just wanted to say don't you get it? Right. So. Somebody else's gotta pay Ron had to keep battling people's bad impulses. Even his own staff. They started judging people profiling them people would walk in. And we would assume we knew who they're a based on how they looked based on how they were dressed, you know, potentially dr- based on the color of their skin what they were going to do the staff would be like, wait, how much did you put in the Ben you look like you could give a bit more. He ended up putting the staff through sensitivity training, but he's really happy with the experiment at this point about six months and Ron says more than half of the customers were paying the suggested price about twenty percent, pay extra and the other twenty percent paid less. Sometimes they paid nothing at all. Hey, free soup, which overall sounds pretty great. But what Jonah is seeing sitting there on all her viz? Sits looks a little different at the beginning. People who were homeless were bringing in every possession that they owned into the Pinera which was typically in like a shopping cart. That's how they would keep their possessions. And so you would see all of these shopping carts around which also smelled in addition to the people themselves, so the managers had to. Yeah, come up with rules about the size of bags that you could bring in and things like that to to manage that situation. It fell on employees in these cafes to deal with issues that they weren't really qualified for like mental health and drug issues. Sharon Davis worked at the Portland store. I was probably one of the oldest people there. So it was kind of like grandma sharing type of thing grandma. Sharon, saw the best and worst of people. There was a customer sitting there and she comes up. Oh my God. These people stink. I can't stand eating like this. And they will I'm really sorry, but they are entitled to meal. Will you try to be very very dignified graceful about it and the bathrooms in particular were a big draw customers were doing things in there that grandma Sharon should not have seen. It'd be quite a few of them that were shooting up in there when they come out the door, you they were loaded, and we hope in the door, and look, and there's blood everywhere. So then we'd have to close that bathroom. Sharon says they're trying to do their best. They would refer customers to rehab and shelters and jobs and things like that. But this experiment was really about food and employees like Sharon told us, the real problem was that these cafes worrying attracting enough generous people who wanted to pay more so pretty early on pioneers. Cafes started telling customers that if they didn't have money to pay. They could volunteer for an hour in exchange for a meal, you know, clean under the counters the first door was in business for eight years, but then it closed so to the ones in Dearborn shock. Kogo in Portland Pinera says it did not make financial sense to continue to operate. Panera cares. They're no longer trying to be food banks at their own game. Panara is back to donating to them writing checks. Sharon says she had a month's notice that her store would close. We poured our last coffees together out of the coffee machine. And then we close the door, and we all just stood there and looked Noel gave each other hugs. And so we'll be in touch, and we left the parking lot for the last time and Gina. Our consumer expert says Ron was just kind of naive about the whole thing. He didn't understand how those with and those without would behave next to each other. What ended up happening is the people who were not food insecure did not want to eat lunch with people who were food insecure and Janna says those who were food insecure didn't necessarily feel comfortable sitting next to those with more means. Either. But Ron is a believer. Even today, he says the cafes closed because their leases were up in the rent was skyrocketing. Not because his idea didn't work way, you say to people who say, maybe you didn't understand like human nature when you started this. What is your response excuse me? Right. This thing worked you served millions of people over many many years. And so the fact that at the end of five years or seven or eight we closed the store by no means means that this wasn't a success Jonah says there are other models that could have worked better like Panara could make people feel like they're getting a gift Gibbs make us feel guilty. They make us feel like we have to give back there pizza shops and coffee shops in the US that do this already a lot of the ones that have been more successful than Panera cares. Tend to be a pay it forward model rather than a pay what you can model so say it's like a coffee shop. For example, you're told someone who came here before you has paid for your coffee and your handed a free coffee. Oh, that's a good one. Yeah. And then you're asked would you like to pay for someone else's coffee, of course. And because this is framed as a gift it tends to be quite powerful. So you think oh I've received a gift from someone that I don't even know, and this I should repay that gift is a very, yeah. A very strong instinct inside people, I think another thing that would work better. Take those suggested prices off the menu. If you see a price Jonah says, you think that's the amount you should pay with no price people actually give more that cafe in Denver, the one that inspired Ron that's what they do know prices, yet soup salad and pizza. That's what we serve every day. Brad. Ruben del Ren same cafe. And it turns out they're actually pretty different from Panera cares. They never wanted to completely rely on the Generoso. City of people. They don't want to be self sustaining. They fundraise they have a big gala every year. And Brad says that if more than half of their customers are paying they're doing something wrong. It becomes a place where wealthy white people feel good about eating, but it doesn't actually serve the mission. Brad says it's actually a terrible business model if you're trying to break, even this was designed to be a charity. It runs like a nonprofit, and it was actually designed to help the people it serves like there are Cubbies so homes people have a place to leave their stuff. There are what they call introvert table. So people can sit there and peace for hours. You know? I'm a I'm a middle class white guy. And so if I ever want to be left alone, I go pay five dollars for an overpriced coffee, and no one's going to bother me. But many of our guests. They are carrying all of their belongings that they own are made to feel uncomfortable in those places, even if they pay for a coffee, I haven't thought about it like that. But white men do love sitting by themselves at coffee shops. But. But there is one Pinera Harris left after the break, we go, and we pay what we want support for this NPR podcast and the following message. Come from Microsoft technology is accelerating faster than ever and things that once felt far off are making a real impact in our lives today. See how a I is empowering business innovators at Microsoft dot com slash AI. We take most things for granted. Like our morning coffee. But there are a lot of people behind that Cup of coffee and AJ Jacobs set out to thank all of them. It doesn't take a village to make a Cup of coffee and takes the world ideas around appreciation on the Ted radio hour from NPR. Dan. And I are in the one remaining pay what you want Panara cares. It's in Boston. And they take their bathroom security very seriously here they change their bathroom codes multiple times a day. What's the code right now codes eight zero five three two nine nine two one seven fif- ladies room. How do you? Remember that? I may come in. I'm kind of a numbers guy. This is Barry combs, the manager of Panera cares. Looks pretty much like any Pinera with a few little differences. Like, there's this wall of day old bread. When you walk in this bread walls for anybody else. That's in need. You can come in. We have been here. You can add what you can grab a loaf of bread. Bring it to the cashiers and we'd slice it for you to add your donation. Right into the win. Here. There's not a lot in there right now is at four bucks. It's it's not for profit everything is suggested amounts and actually never been to Pinera. So what should I order broccoli cheddar soup and sounds like the gateway drug to Pinera? Okay. Let's go order something. We see those clear donation bins? Plexiglas plastic, but you have to look really closely to see the tiny type at the top of the menu. That says the prices are just suggested donations. Okay. I'm gonna do the broccoli cheddar. Sue you like to make your nation today. Meaning like, I can donate nine to a need. I cannot donate nine twenty deputy just place your value in the been over much. You wish to donate. I got a twenty. So I'll do that. Kim. Thanks so much really hate them to them. Which would you how much did you pay ten dollars? She told me that I donated thirty what is that thirty two cents to next person? Then I felt like a cheapskate like I should put more money in there. Yeah. That is a little cheaper, Dan, come on. But I just how you like hold a water bills into the bin. And just hold it there for like a minute. And was like, no, I wasn't like conflicted about it. I was just trying to fit it in the little slot because there were so many bills because you're so generous. Right now. This store loses money. Berry says they cover about eighty five percent of their costs. Panara makes up the rest to think this place will be here in a year. Yes. I know it will be here in a year. What makes you so share because we run it? Right. And we treat people with respect, and it was actually really nice to see like there were customers on laptop sitting next to you and talking to people in need people eating free loaves of unslinging spread out of the bag. There were people volunteering in exchange for food, and I have to say in the end I felt guilty about the thirty two cents. I donated good. I dropped a few more bucks into the ban on the way out. If you have a story idea, send us an Email planet money at NPR dot org and checkout household name for more surprising stories about famous brands. Our second season starts right now. Today's show was produced by dairy in woods with Sarah Wyman, Amy Padilla and John Palmer and household name special. Thanks, also, the Susan dob show Ryan or stat edits our show, and Alex Goldmark is our supervising producer. I'm Sarah Gonzalez, and I'm dim Bob cough. Thanks for listening.

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AMRAP MENTALITY: How to Get Optimal Results In Everything You Do ft. Jason Khalipa, with Andy Frisella - MFCEO298

The MFCEO Project

1:17:27 hr | 1 year ago

AMRAP MENTALITY: How to Get Optimal Results In Everything You Do ft. Jason Khalipa, with Andy Frisella - MFCEO298

"Soon. To the launch. I'll be my family wouldn't have food. Anybody going? Loons? Is up guys. You listen to the NFC. Oh project. I'm andy. I'm your host. And I am the motherfucking CEO guys today. We have an awesome show full length podcast today. I know we haven't put out full length podcasts and a few weeks. Actually, that's a lie. We did that really cool. And Joel what you'll Marion that was a great podcast, but I feel like we're overdue. I got the crew here. I got Vaughan. The pastor of disaster here to rain us in. He speaking before I tell him to speak. That's a check Mark on the board, brother. Go stand in the corner, they do that anymore. Do they put it back in? We also have a couple other guests here. One of them is a huge stud and the other one is Sal. So. Guys before intro, our special guest Vaughn. What do you got to say for yourself? I gotta say that one of these days I'm gonna come in with like serious high energy. I'm normally chill in the show. But I'm gonna come in one day like big Vaughn is in let the fun begin Longview practicing that always saying that in the shower. From a movie from the eighties only. It's big John. Then I'm just saying I know about that for my practice, this months and months, and you finally how does it feel to break it out if feels real good, and I figure we'll like with the two for celebrators. This is about my only chance of talking at this point. He's getting fitter scary. I'll take that take. I know I was reading up on our guests. So I'm excited. He he is. He is a real, man. Yes. Why don't you info? Well, okay. I'll do that. Yeah. Fuck it up. No, I can do it. But I mean, like I like I like it when the guests interest themselves, you know, because I got the little I got the summary from your from your website. But I'm not I'm not gonna do just tell you guys this guy super accomplished in all areas of life has an incredible story has has not only accomplished amazing top level feats in the fitness world. But also is a tremendous entrepreneur someone who I have known very long, but just from the little bit that I know is somebody that you guys can learn a lot from welcome to the show man got Jason Khalifa here who is pretty much one of the studies dudes on earth. Boy, I don't know about that. But yeah. We'll say this. And when Emily, Texas, and I and I read Jason Khalifa. I was like is that the is that man? You know, what you know what I'm talking about? Like Jason momoa. I think is his name. So I got nothing. He doesn't let's be real like superman Jason memo is I know him. Why I'm still to be here? I'm glad I was able to make it out. I'm glad you guys allow me to be here. I'm honored and stoke to talk about whatever you guys want dive into. Yeah. Well, let's talk about a little bit. Like just bring everybody up to speed on who you are. And. What you what you've done in basically. I mean because you've done a lot of stuff like, dude. He's been a tremendous athlete in the cross world. You've won the cross big games. Yeah. That's huge, obviously. But I mean, dude, that's that's what most people know. But I think what most people don't really know is you're what you're doing in business that you're an author. You have a really cool book called the Amraam mentality. And that I think I really wanna talk about on the show because the mentality is very important, especially in this day and age when we're constantly distracted. And we really don't know how to balance putting everything we have into everything we have a lot of people are one dimensional. You know, they wanna put everything they have into their fitness or into their career into this, and that becomes their excuse for why all the other areas aren't where they should be. And that's all I see it. I see as an excuse. But I'm interested to talk about all that man. Do it. So I mean, yeah. A little bit about my background. I I introduced to the fitness space at a really young age. I started working at the front desk when I was fifteen years old like a health club, and then throughout high school and college I kept working at the gym. And I didn't make it into the four year university. I was looking for kind of slack in the class pon high school, and I woke up I went to junior college gone my stuff together end up going to afford university graduate from there opened up a business. So at that point I had been introduced across early on in two thousand six when I graduated college in two thousand and eight I decided to open up a across Jim I also happen to win the cross games that year, which kind of just all catapulted. And a lot of things ended up marrying my high school sweetheart the next year and just kind of Bouma boom fast forward a little bit compete at the cross games. Eight times was able to see quite a bit of success there. And we now have a business. That's not. Only open the public cross locations. We've also expanded into corporate sites that bring us all over Asia. We also location Mexico see expanded twenty sites of our gyms, which is has been remarkable. We have a great team there. And we have a digital footprint of other stuff that we do as as the kind of businesses flown. We've need to be kinda involved with it. And so we went digital and my wife, and I have two kids. One of them got sick a couple years ago leukaemia, and that's really defined a lot of things that I've been doing the last couple years, and we're really really blessed that she's doing well now, but through that trial, we learned a lot. And now that's a lot of things that I take in my life on daily basis. So to summarize me, I guess on a cross Bank games competitor for long time business owner and husband father. Let's talk about. I mean, we're gonna talk about all this, but like due to do cross fit, you know, on the level. I mean you cross. At all, it's tough. It's a hard. It's a hard sport to get into. It's scalable, you know, average people in start and beginners can start, but to compete at the level that you're at in your home will do, but you gotta be pretty much one of the baddest motherfuckers on earth period and. That means you got something special in your mentality that most people just don't have. Whether you want to admit it or not. How do you think that that word that mentality come from or how to develop only for longtime? I never reached my potential in high school. You know, you look at some guys right now who are going through high school, and maybe they're getting by. And you have these teachers kinda like you're almost like a system, and you almost have to try to not succeed. Right. Like, but used it as be okay. I got CS. And they get degrees. Right. You graduate from college and all of a sudden Alenia seized to get through but in life. There's no ABCD are you reaching your potential is no pass fail. Like are you getting where you want to get to? And so it was it was when I went to junior college. And that was the first time that compared to my peers, I wasn't on the same track anymore, and I go woken up. And I realized that no one knows me anything. And then if I wanna go out there and do something special. I need take that on my self. And so I started educating myself is sort of putting the hard work in that translate and other things and I found cross fit, and though the work that I put. Through cross it really translate. And the rest of the things I do in my life, and it's a blessing to find those type of workouts because when you push yourself, mentally and physically in the gym it translate. So well outside the gym. I think that anybody who's not exercising right now. At least in some way, even ten minute walk or your seventy five heart, whatever they're they're missing out on arguably the greatest thing ever because of stress relief motivation internal discipline. It's yeah. So anyways, I I don't know where it is actually came from. But one day I was sitting in a junior college class. And that's when I woke up everybody was introducing themselves. So I'm John I've been here. Five years. Hey, I'm Susie. I've been here one year. And then it was a girl next to me. She's like, my name's Mary, and I've been here seven years and our members sin there in that share saying man, I don't wanna be a junior college for seven years, I need to get my shit together and get going. No one's going to do is for me. And that was really the up moment from a philosophical perspective. Out now. I know they answered this. But I want to hear what you think I know the answer for me how how much is that helped you in your business life. Oh, remarkably in, and I wouldn't even say business life. I'd say in just life in general. And I'll give you a give you a great example. I used to think that competing the cross games like helped me get sponsorship deals, and money and fame and whatever right. But when our back was really up against the wall, and my wife, and I heard about our daughter's diagnosis when it was really up against the wall. And it wasn't a game. Any more? This is real life, those experiences played huge huge in my wife, and I be able to mentally overcome this big obstacle. Because when it came. We had all this background to to kind of built the foundations that we use things like positive self talk understand what's in our control. And all the things you could develop through exercise that then translated to that hard challenge. The night that we my daughter was diagnosed I'll never forget my wife. Took out in the hallway, and she gave me like this. 'cause I was crying most of us would be. So I don't I don't mind saying it about crying when I heard the news and I'll never forget. My wife is comes up to me. Like you. Listen to me. Okay. Okay. I'm listening. She goes Utah or family that Avis sick. But when they walk in that room, there's nothing, but smiles on their faces, and there's no tears shed in front of our daughter from this day for and she just like, we're gonna crushes thing. She's turn around with my band. No words after that. Nowhere spoken. And I'll just like man, and it gives me like chills because I just think like all those years that I was competing. She was also developing a set of skills because she had learned to overcome when I would, you know fail or or whatever it wasn't always rainbows right direct tough times. And she learned how to overcome it in. So she took that energy right into that day and from that day forward, she meant what she said. And so I think you ask the question about how it translates into business, and I shared kind of like more of a personal story. But in business, you don't know I think that's a better answer than what the question. But in business there's tough decisions need to be there. Every day. There's tough conversations there's tough path. Right. And by learning how to have tough like for example, cold showers. Yeah, they suck. But if you could develop the mindset to do a cold shower cold plunge, then you might be more willing to walk into the office and say to someone hey, I don't believe you're doing your job affectively. And if you could do that sooner than later, you're helping not to allow this to fostering, grow and you're hoping then you're totally helping that. I mean, that's how I look at all. I mean, this could go off on a whole 'nother tangent. It might end up. Yeah. I look I look at correcting someone as a service to them not me, you know, a lot of people. Call your such dick Nolan. Not a dick didn't say anything. Yeah. You know? I look at you know, for me personally, this is why I relate so much. Why fan out? Like we were talking about earlier. You know, I find Eram. Yeah. No shit Iran's. They good. I mean when I was here, Sal had a little Boehner the whole. Never thought one hundred fucking years at Alex Rodriguez. It'd be sitting in my office asking me businesses vice versa. Let's get some right. He was asking me. That's what you think you're over there. Rubbing your or to them. Alex Rodriguez was holding a south or sell a bat. I mean irony in that. I was like dude for a week after fucking a-rod left. Sal roped off the chair that you said it. Vodka tonic. This take a picture take a picture? Alex Rodriguez is chair for five bucks. Did you gotta think this guy's? I mean, he was the phone. I mean, totally. Totally. Real weirdo. Give two shits. It was awesome. One thing about me is it's all implants. No. But I mean one thing that I respect so much about you in from following for the last couple years is watching how you transitioned your fitness mentality into businessmen tally in the success that you've had both not ironic. Right. It's disciplined skill set. That you've created an understanding that through tough times, you you condition your brain to get better you condition. Your your your mindset to be tougher to be stronger. And so to watch you daft and change has been very impressive from the sidelines. Thank you. It is it's cool man because the feet what I love most. And I tell her guys what we're blessed to do in fitness the principles in in losing weight, or overcoming that challenge are the those to be successful in that in that actual arena or the exact same map or game plan that you need to be successful in life. And why we have to fat guys who run a supplement companies because who's other one you, and I mean you and who else. You in Chris. I'm not fat. Well, we are the new less fat to less fat guys than we were. But you know, to be able to speak to those people souls because we've been there and gone through and gone through the struggle is a very relatable piece, but what's cool about what we do specifically for business for for work is it's so translatable to life success in life. Like you have to be able to to exercise discipline. You have to be able to put the work in day in and day out. You have to have big goals you have to accomplish goes you have to have a plan on how to get there. And what's cool about weight Loss's? It's very similar being successful in life. And the plan is not always easiest path. You know, something I was talking about their days, we actually closed one of our locations because for number of reasons we had to close it because our zoning was off. There was a number of factors and some people from the sidelines like, oh, they're closing location while we're expanding are the ones don't worry. But that was all part of the plan to begin the year. And when we sat down to begin the year we create our business goals. We said, hey, we need consultant here when you do this. When you do that. Expand here smart business. It's smart business people from the outside on get that. No, they don't they think. Like, dude, you're in trouble. It's like, no you're supposed to trim the fucking fat. You're supposed to do that. But but I guess what I'm trying to go is that as we are executing on this plan. It was tough. And part of me is like doing the right thing. You know, how many times have you gotten into a workout a gun in a situation, and you create a plan your head. But then all of a sudden when you actually start like forget L go this route. But it's because we kind of error towards the the path of lease resistance when in business right in business. It's not always the path of least resistance, that's the best path. It's right. It's usually not it's usually not. And that's something I've really had to learn through fitnesses that if I create a plan for a workout oftentimes the plan that I'm setting out for this many reps. This may whatever is oftentimes I'm going to be the easiest plan. But it's gonna be the plan that I know is going to put in the best position to quote win in business. It's a beautiful translation, right? You create these business schools, and there's going to be hurdles and speed bumps. Right. Just goes. You know, I've found that literally anytime I ever find myself going down the easier path and business, I automatically redirect into the harder path. Like, it's just what I've trained myself to do because I know I've never won going the easier path. I've always lost. I've lost money. I've lost employee's. Things haven't worked out the way that that it was supposed to like saw. Now, it's to the point where it's like I intentionally look at things and make them harder. Because I think that's where it's going to produce the best result. We always talk about an interest really good about this, especially in early days values in the inefficiencies. And a lot of our business growth has come from the inefficient plays that we make handwritten. Thank you cards handwritten notes on every single order that goes out the door the first every single time a consultant comes in his building. I says, well, you could pick impact these, and that's why year consultant and not run a three hundred million dollar company fucker, and that's the different like understanding that we've created a personal connection to our customer base through inefficiencies. Yeah. We don't need fifty five guys packing boxes. However, this this tool that we've used that we've used handwritten thank you cards are handwritten notes has created loyalty through our customer base know, so no working like a really chill, dude, man. Like an a good, dude. That's the vibe. I get off a you. We don't know each other very well yet. But let me ask you this. This is something that's interesting to me. Sure. So. I find that the harder and more calloused. I get mentally and more disciplined. I get mentally the more contempt. I have for people that don't have it. Yes. Yeah. Do you feel that way? Yeah. The more how do you deal with that? Because like for me. It's very fucking frustrating. Yeah. You're just saying that for people who easily just kind of seek the comfort. I can't stand. It. It's hard. It's hard for me to tolerate it. Well, I mean, you know, I would just say you gotta meet people where they're at. And you know, I think one of the reasons why you know, because I own gyms, I've met with thousands and thousands of people, and for example, my family what I liked them exercise. Yes. Of course. I think it's the great thing is of a free gift. You could give yourself just to do some burpee in the morning. Yeah. But I can only say it so much and then their search to build resentment from them to me because I'm overbearing, and I need to meet them when they're ready and often times when they're ready. They'll come and so for me when I meet people who having quite figured out, their deepest internal wire drive yet. It just takes time for them to get there. And I hope that they'll find that. But I also have to reflect and realize there. Still people who don't desire to push those limits as much as I do and they're not warrant, and that's okay. You know, like, yeah. That's all we need. We need we roll players to. I we do. I think it's really important. I didn't know if you struggle with that. Of course, I struggled because I see guys I want it so bad for them. And also, bro you have so much potential, and they do they have so much potential. But but but potential I it's not going to put in the work for them. And I think that's something. Everybody needs to think about is that regardless of what they're pursuing their lives. I think it's really important. I was strong kind of central cornerstone of why they're doing it is it money for fortunate fame or whatever. And I think for me after he got sick. It was really important like I've never looked at money. The same way is that when she got sick. I used to nice watches cars, whatever. But what I did was by having this hedge. So I incorporated the single the mentality which we dive into. Yeah. For a lot of years. And when she got sick the night. She got sick. I sent an Email to our staff and just said, hey, look affective immediately. My focus is going to one area in one area only this one right here. But it's because of everything I had done leading upset that allowed me to send that Email. And that's my passion to put up this book now or to show this message that we never know when life's gonna throw Sokurov ball. Right. And so we could build up a financial hedge of fitness hedge, a relationship hedge, right? Where you have a good relationship with your spouse. And even other this way, if something does go wrong, you're in the best position to crush it. Right. And I just think money is just changed where I want to become a non factor for me. Right. Just like finish should be a non factor like icefield get up off the toilet. I play with my kids should be a non factor. I should do whatever they want money should be the same thing. If my daughter needed some type of unique treatment, I should be able to handle I saw a lot of things break families in the hospital, and we spent months in the hospital, right? Yeah. Dude. I see that too man like people people miss judge. Why it's so important to make. Money. You know, they automatically go towards, and I'm even the little guilty of it showing it the way that I do like, they think like cars or money shits fight like, but you know, they don't realize that. There's so many other reasons why it's important. Yeah. It's easy to discount things like greed or this or that. But who are you call him whenever fucking you need a check written of for four hundred thousand dollars for your kid and hospital. You're gonna call the doodoo as money, right? You know what I'm saying? And you'd rather be that guy. So you kind of already answer this a little bit. But I going back to the trial that you had with your daughter. And you you mentioned passion, and I'm always fascinated. But that the English passion comes from the Latin word pasta, which means suffering. Right. So there's a real connection between suffering and having passion. And I think anybody who's done anything in life knows a life of comfort and ease. Basically kills enthusiasm. Right. You. It takes struggle takes challenge to really draw that that real heart in somebody. So my question is could you could you elaborate a little bit on after you experience all this suffering with your with your daughter in this challenge. How is your fundamental passion for life different a mentally? I'm a different guy. And I knew that the night. That she was diagnosed, right? Is that I knew my life was changed. I didn't know. It'd be changed. Like, I don't wish what we went through on. My worst enemy. I really don't. However, I also feel confident that I grew in my family grew in positive direction because of it, right? So I don't ever want to have it again. But I'm glad now that look back on it. And a couple of things I learned was that, you know, you have a group of friends and your goal is a group of friends should be to raise each other up when they need support. Right. And I think having close family and close friends in always being there for them. I never show me the importance of until you know, every day in the hospital I wake up and in that waiting room just filled with friends and family, right? And that kind of support how important it is. And I know that anytime any of our friends in that type of situation I need to be there to support them. Because it was that important for me. And you know, it also changed way looked at things leave the hospital. And there was one stint we in the hospital like five weeks, right and straight, and I stayed every night at the hospital. I just remember I'd leave there, and I wouldn't leave. I'd stay there. But then after the five weeks I'd be like on the road. Right. And I'd be at a stop light. And just someone would just be like riding my ass or he's honking. I just look at me. Like, dude Spiezio like good. You know? And I think what it really is shift in my perspective. If you spent three hours in pediatrics at a hospital, it will totally shift the way you look at your day. Because what you think is a big deal really isn't a big deal. And I don't judge anybody because everybody has their worst solicit you lost a job maybe for USA worse than it's ever happened. Will maybe for me my daughter getting six happen. It's all relative. But the plan which makes it through this experience is transformed the way I look at my day as I'm going through. If I see something it's like, it's all good. Like a look at my daughter now compared to when she was bald in the ICU like, dude crushing. So that's the big difference. Is that this is something my wife actually wants to tattoo. She have any that just is like perspective on her wrist because for her night shifted the way, we observe the world, and as you get older, I think your perspective shifts. This was one example that we were we had at a relatively young age. So that's a big difference. These things through that lens. You see the world is a better place now than you did before. I think I think that the world I think there's a lot of people that need to find their happiness. They need to find what drives them and they need to take a step back for a second. And recognize that what they think is a big deal might not be as big of a deal as it is. And so, yeah, I think the world is a better place after going through this because I have more compassion for others, which I didn't have before. Good. No. I was gonna to say it's funny that. That I was talking to a friend who's actually been on this show on. I'm not gonna say his name because I don't think this is public information. But he had a huge brain injury like ten months ago. I hadn't heard from in a long time. So I text some last night just randomly saying. Hey, bro. What's up haven't talked to you? And he's like well long story, but I had this injury. And I'm still not recovered, and I'm not gonna take another year for me to recover, and he started telling me all this stuff. And dude at the end he was like. Due to probably won't make any sense to you. He's like, but it was the best thing that ever happened to me because my perspective is changed now. And made me a better person this way, this way, this way this way, and I'm like, actually, bro, I understand perfectly because it reminded me of when I got stabbed in the face and almost died, and like, dude, I tell people I'm like that was the best thing that were happening me if you haven't listened that it's on episode once the first episode that we ever did this show because it's that important. But do you know, I tell people that. I'm like, dude. Yeah. Getting stabbed in the face having one hundred sixty stitches in my fucking face permit, nerve damage can't smile anymore. So you guys are liberal. Warning. You fuck it smiles because my smiles fucked up mother fuckers. Okay. I don't I I'm self conscious about it. It is what it is. You would be to if you're happier. Face was fucking paralyzed. But like, dude, you know, what it was still the best thing ever happened to me by far by far because it gave me mental resilience about fuck and everything and it taught me how to take the worst possible shit that could happen and make it into an asset. And you know, what I mean? But if you're a different type of person might let that define could've bro dead, and you could have. And that's where this is a really tricky situation here the story about how how change for me too. So I went through. Literally like a year of severe depression, dude. Like like kill yourself. I was gonna kill myself for sure and. I mean, my face was swelled up the size of a grapefruit for year like on the side of my head had a huge fucking tumor and. Dude. I was walking through the store. The I g across from where my first retail store was. And I was you know, when you're like that when you're when you have a deformity. People either do wanna two things they either look right at it. And they're like dude in this. What they would do to me, dude. What the fuck up in your face? And I used to always tell people as a car wreck because I didn't wanna get judged like for being some kind of fucking tough guy or some shit. You know what I mean? But. The other person they just won't even look at you like they're just looking at the ground. Right. Okay. So that happened a lot both ways and very few people wouldn't have a reaction because it was just it was bad. And I was walking through this grocery store, and there was a lady who had been well, I was walking down the aisle, and we came to the T at the end of the aisle, and she bumped into my car, and I've been looking at the ground, and I've just figured I wasn't paying attention. But after I examined situation later it was because I was just down. And I was just looked at the ground all the time. And I didn't want anybody see my face and. So I hit this lady's car, I didn't know it was a lady because when I looked up I couldn't tell if it was a man or woman because her face had been completely burned off like like, you know, how people are burnt so bad all the house like two holes in their nose like that. And. She's wearing like a little a little bucket hat, like, I don't know where to the beach or whatever, you know. And so I looked up and I'm like oh sorry. And I looked at her and she looked at me. I couldn't tell if it was a manner woman. I swear out couldn't tell and she goes, dude what the fuck happened your. Dude. Like, I knew in that moment. Like, she knew what had been like what I was dealing with like, she could see it and. And dude, we had like a fifteen minute conversation turns out her family her. She was the only survivor of a plane crash a small plane crash that killed entire family. And she was she got burned. She she was missing one leg, which I couldn't tell but she told me about. And. And do you know that as I walked out of the store, it instantly changed my perspective from like, bro? You're. You know, my life is over that to like fuck, dude. You're a bitch. You know, like you're being a bitch and due to change my life in like, five fifteen minute conversation and. I started realizing all these crazy benefits like like, Chris. And I my business partner we would go to these trade shows, and nobody knew who we were 'cause we weren't doing any business. We weren't we weren't like we are. Now where people, you know, recognize nobody knew we were. But they would always they would always remember me because of my scars they were a lot worse back then as fifteen sec seventeen year fifteen sixteen years ago now. Right. Yeah. Two thousand three whatever that is. I'm bad at math unless it's money count money. But. The what would happen is people? Be like, oh, dude. You know, Andy like, you know, maybe like, no, we don't we don't know. You're talking about the guy that the scarves, right, dude. You know that dude because stab in the face, and it started working in my benefit like, it started working like people people remember me, and they. It's funny because now people will do and do you have you have enough money to get your your face fixed? If you want it because I have the money then to fix it. And I'm glad I didn't. But they're like, why don't you just get a fix? I'm like, dude, I would never fucking fix that. Like, it's part of who. I am now. Like, it's part of my character. It's part of what I am. It's part of my life at taught me everything I need to know. But you're you're lucky or fortunate or perhaps you're open enough to have that situation happening in the in the grocery store. Right. You're you're maybe searching for eating realized and then it happened. And I can't even explain that. I never saw her again. I never. Like it almost. It sounds weird dude. I know. But it almost like almost sometimes wonder if it was if it was even real if it really happened. You know, what I mean like our did like was that like a fucking ghost? Or sounds weird. Like, I know it sounds crazy or an angel or some shit. You know, what I mean that ain't is going through a tough something finds that. Yeah. Whatever that is right finds that thing and helps them propel them forward 'cause you could use these trials these challenges, we talk about workouts. That's a good example. But this is an extreme example of what you're talking about be gotta be open in got to be looking. And then yet to be ready to learn from it and move forward. Right. But it's not as easy to sounds. No, no. It was. It wasn't like I was immediately cured like I never struggle with shit. But I mean do to just took it from like a negative one thousand two fuck and positive. You know, Jason's perspective. Right. Exactly precision, dude. It's the session for me. I mean, I I mean, I have one. I mean, it's it's no different right, broke my leg. We'll do it. It's all the. You know, we all have that. Right. Like, you choose to fighter quit. That's right. I think that used to fight mentality is the Amrop mentality in that sense. Right. Yeah. Sure. You're back up and understand. Let's do. Let's talk about that. Because I think it's so important to to really dive into this this concept because I think. It's unique. I think it's something people need, and I think it's something that that everybody can relate to seeing why there will be a benefit for them to have it. So tell me how you came up with it. I mean, what is it and how come I mean, it kind of found me? Right. So I was at this point. I had I had my daughter my wife, so I married my wife, and I got together at fifteen and so we had known each other for longtime obviously before got married, and so I'm with my high school sweetheart got my what my daughter campaigned at the highest level in cross fit. And then our business had just turned global and some sitting there, and I remember one day, you know, I'm a walking down the street with my wife, and my daughter, I'm strolling, my wife, and my wife asked me a question. She's like, hey, what do you think about that Jason? And as look at her, and I was like I looked like they I'm really sorry. I was like I wasn't listening to thing. You were saying I was thinking about walking on my hands across the games. Right. As I said and just the. Look disappointment on her face. I'm like if I don't make a change in my life. I'm not gonna have this daughter, or I'm going to have you know, I'm not gonna have this wife for this relationship anymore. Right. I'm I'm my body was one where my mind was somewhere else. And and so I sorta reflecting that night. And I started thinking man, I gotta change something up. I wanna be good business. I want to be good. As husband. I want to be good father and a want to win the cross games at that point two thousand eleven in. So I said to myself, how do these things, and I remember when I was first introduced across it. I used to be at the conventional Jim for couple of hours a day. And I do a rep a couple sets. You know, check at that point. Really was no cell phones by walk around bullshit people. Do another set walk around bullshit. Some people doing their set next thing. You know, it two hours later, you know, some action happen, but not that much then I was introduced to the Amrop program as many reps as possible. And as we were talking about before even got on air was like if I. Asked someone right now too many push as he could in one minute. That's all he would do. They wouldn't answer their phone. They wouldn't play with their whatever they would just be all in on one minute of ups because it's them against the clock a quantifiable data point that they're fighting against so as I was sitting there, and I get back from the walk. I said to myself man when I was first introduced the Amer up and working against the clock. I became so efficient. I work. I got more work done in less time. And that's why I need you. Now, I need to be focused, and you get more work done in less time. Because I have the same time in the day to my businesses growing, my family's growing in the competition's getting harder. So what could I do? I could Amrop the hell at each focus. This I told myself, so I started kind of putting pen to paper this concept, and it took me a while to do this. But you censor the AMR mentality is based off a few key points. Number one is identify your focus and have a strong y for like, so so for example, like riding a bike if you're riding a bike, and you're not present. And focused. You're gonna tip over. So the first step is you got to be focused on whatever you're doing. And you need to own a wire doing in the first place. You know, if you're if you're not if you don't really care about it when shit gets hard in business, or whatever you're just going to be low next one. I mean, how many times everybody does it when it gets tough. It's easy to kind of go away. So the first step is like riding a bike, focus. The next step is work hard at and legit heart like riding, a bike you pedal. Right. And you got to work hard. And when I talk about hard work when I'm talking about is roll up your sleeves old school, hard work. It's work, and it's hard and what I think about on a daily basis idea of earning my confidence. So every day. No matter what I'm doing. If it's going into a business meeting or going to work out. I need to earn the right to feel comfortable talking about a certain thing talking about the business growing the business, or you know, for example, the cross games an event came up. I could walk in earn convicts. I put in decades of hard work to get there. Right. Where? Has perceived confidence. Which is also talk about is completely different. It's like me walk into the ring with Floyd Mayweather slap myself in the face times on knock this guy out. No, that's not gonna happen. Yeah. And he's gonna walk in. He's in the earn confidence because he spent more time punching a bag and other people than I have being alive. Right. And so when we talk about hard work and pedaling we're earned confidence. Right. Then we transition that in switching years and just like riding a bike. You'll be folks. And what you're doing what we're doing right now, we work hard at it. Like, we're am wrapping right now. And then throughout the day. I switch gears like I do on a bike and what they do in a car. Right. You're in first year second year, third year swabs, I'm transitioning into my day. Maybe in the morning, I work out. That's my first year. Then I see the kids. That's my second year. But wants my first year is done. I'm no longer thinking about first year on second year. Right. And then after that go into business and wants them in the third year. That's so gear I'm in for X amount of time. And then I shift back to your. One as an example. But when I'm in I'm in when I'm out, and I no longer think about the business media just head that was the point of the business meetings to be present on that. And then when I'm in my workout, I'm thinking about my workout, and when I'm doing my workout. I it was done. Right. Right. And so I didn't focus work hard at switch gears in the final step is reevaluate. So when big milestones happen your life? Maybe get married. Maybe you lose a job gain a job. Whatever you need to reevaluate. What your focus is are. And for me. I choose three focuses everybody generally like three things that make some money some type of significant other family, hope whatever. And then like a third would be like a hobby or for me. It's my fitness, maybe for others, golf or whatever. And so as time goes on, you might need a reevaluate your focuses because maybe, you know, something happened. So for example, for me the business kept growing the family kept growing I needed a reevaluate and go team instead of individual or then when my daughter got sick. I was an easy example of reevaluate. Eating my focus and going all in away from competing. So that's basically I'm mentality. Some of it. I love it, man. First of all, I love the fact he talked about earning the confidence I feel like I'm the only person on earth until now that understands that concept. I'm so fucking sick of hearing all these stupid, FOX on Instagram post shit about oh feel good. Oh, tell yourself your special. Well, if you're not fucking specially not gonna believe it you have less confidence. Because you will. I knew yourself, you know, and so do thank you for understanding that and putting that message out there because there needs to be more of it. Well, another example of that just to is like you to right. So if I want to learn a new skill on YouTube, right? The other day, I wanna take my son fishing. And so I wanted to find new ways to basically, gut a fish. Okay. It's random example. Yeah. Finally, get a fish. And I go there to gut it, and I look dumb ass. Right. I'm sitting there and I'm trying to do like the technique. I'm trying to remind myself on YouTube look at the video, and then some dude comes up, and I'm like, I just humbly. Said, hey, man. I would really appreciate you show. My son I had to use this technique. He comes in. He takes me through it. And there's no substitute for that confidence. He had from so many years of fishing bright. And then he now taught me and that I learned and you can't just watch YouTube using spec to translate completely into real life. I learned from getting start a start. Yeah. Ty. I'll go Comey fucking tie your ass is on YouTube. Every sure. Thai guy because like I know how to tie, but I wanted to be perfect that perfect double Windsor shit. So like, I'm on the your life because you do too a guilty as charged. But I mean, I was gonna I did a story on the other day confidence. The only gift you can give yourself, but you have nobody can play. It's not you can't even give it you've got to earn. It. You gotta earn it. But I mean, you have confidence when you walk in a room because you're comfortable with the skills that you possess. Nobody can tap you on the head a difference between like what you're saying perceived confidence at actual confidence. You know, most people operate their entire lives on the perceived confidence. They will go the whole. And then they wonder like why do I feel confident 'cause you're fucking fake it. Yeah. I mean, I used to wear a wristband on my on. My wrist had said earned on it. It's because when I got into the depths of the competition, I'm talking for him on a bus about go throw down with some dudes that are that are ready to throw down. Yeah. I would look at my wrist and said earn and that told me like no one gave me anything earned the right on that bus. Just like every other man that buzz did or N woman, and no one gave us anything. And so to me it's a level playing field. And and you know, what as a humble person? So this is cool because it all ties together because due to be good anything you inherently have to be humble because you have to be able to learn. All right. So you could take like Floyd. Mayweather who is the cockiest fucker on earth. That dude is still humble when it comes time to put in the work. Yeah. Period. He's wanting to learn he's wanting to get better. He's an and dude people don't grasp that concept. So the cool thing about what we're talking about is like when you have earned that place because you're so used to question yourself and being self aware and saying am I really good enough? Did I really put in the work? Do I belong here. Because dude, I feel that way all the time. I know like, I know anybody who's a high achiever like do when I go speak. And and, you know, this is bragging or whatever go fuck. I'm one of the best fucking speakers in the world, it's widely known. That's I'm I'm known for that when I still go to fucking event, and I'm I'm like, everybody else's chilling. And like, they're relaxed and shit, dude. I'm nervous. Fuck. You know what I'm saying? Because. Good product you want? Don't think like fuck, dude. Am I really as good as what people say I am. I really good is what I think I am. And I've got to remind myself. Yeah. I am because I fucking earned it. It's exact same conversation. I don't wear a wristband, but I have that same conversation. Yeah. People think that though toback that up it is speaking event. Yes. Shane vegas. And when I finished I always ask myself, did I reach my potential in that conversation, right? That I reach my potential, and so for me I during the right to be there because someone was willing to have me there. Right. Someone thought. Right. But it still never gets easy because you know, this is a blessing occurs in semi. I'm working on in my life is like I set up these pillars these milestones and business in whatever. And then you get there. And sometimes I don't celebrate them enough. Right. I'm just onto the next one. And I'm just keep us in the Ellie. Ali Emma, reach my potential enrichment Tuchel on their forget like we trying to lock down this deal for corporate account, and we worked so hard on this deal. And I remember just tell my wife when we land deal when I sign it. We're going to pop bottle or whatever like I said, we're going to do and then it happened and like all right next one student, but I need to get better at that. Right. Because that's something that's hard for me to celebrate the wins. Because otherwise, I feel like it's gonna make me fucking week because I see so many people who could get complacent because they won one fucking thing. And then they celebrate a half victory or like right now, we're doing seventy five heart, and I see people being like twenty days in and I'm like fuck you, man. You got a long way to go, bro. Like, but I understand like there's some validity them saying that like recognize that, you know, keep moving you know, what I mean 'cause I've seen so many people. And so of you build amazing companies or do amazing things and then they start believing their own their own head. Lines. You know what I'm saying? And what happens they lose? Yeah, happens. And I'm so terrified of losing that I will never let myself enjoy it. It used the phrase the other day that I thought was really good acknowledging enjoy it. But don't over. But I don't even fucking knowledge. That's like. You know, what Jason say is what he just said really means a lot to me because I do need to get better about that. Like, I know I need to get better about it. Because it's important. Not just first of all, I think it's much more. It's much more important for other people to be recognized in this for me personally. But dude, I need to have a good fucking time. When I'm kicking all this ass you saying like, I'm honestly most of the time. I'm so on that it's just it's just nine Joyal. But this I mean, you see this cross all winning platforms right winters mentality. Like you wanna go on and continue to win. This is where I, you know, for me personally, as a professional father, fitness enthusiasts professional what I'm a professional everything. Okay. That's why I thought to clarify. The you know, when you look at because I get asked a question most regular about balance, you know, how do you balance your life? I have three kids under fourteen months manage pretty good crew of guys. How do I fit fitness in? What do you do it? Now, he's you know, putting my phone down. When I go home to be a dad is like my thing. Right. But I want to be the best data can be I want to be the best business person. That could be wanna be the best fitness that I can be what what I've learned is it really fucking hard. He Amrop mentality is when you have a winners mindset, yet conceptually it's easy to say, go home set your phone down. But they're still work to be done. Job at it, though. I struggle with a good job. But I like it sounds fucked up. But like when I text shoot and height, and you don't text back and actually makes me proud because I'm like, no seriously. Yeah. Because I'm like, I know that he's doing what is right? And I'm I'm being you know, like I want him to do that. But, you know, this is the thing though, the competitive nature, and you, you know, I'm highly competitive, so when you look at the competitive nature inside of you. I knew it takes to get us here. And what it took for us to get. Here was twenty hours a day. You know, what I mean always being involved in that phone always on the phone always calling. And so I feel like you know, when I'm business unfailing being a dad when I'm at home, I'm failing being business in somewhere in there. I'm trying to listen fit. Yeah. Listen, I get that. That's probably struggle for you. But there's you should never feel bad about that. 'cause I don't see anybody doing any better. You know? But I mean, I struggle with that. But you got to take in consideration. I struggle with the two, and I'm sure a lot of people listening you. Struggle with they have to struggle with the dude with the way, you're fucking wired to win like, it's gotta be. Yeah. You gotta find that balance between you being like, I said selfish trying to pursue your thing that you make you finding your happiness and also being there, and I just think these regular check ins are super important, which we talked about, you know, I figure if I'm regularly checking myself and just saying, hey, you know, m I doing okay on a regular basis of being x y z with. I'm not gonna have these huge Piff news when I turned fifty and be like, oh, dude. I was really terrible at this. But these small check ins, but you know, I just wanted to share one is like something I we did really well as a family and I'm looking for businesses create memories that will last a lifetime. Meaning I think something that we think about businesses like you launch a big deal, and you go ahead and you go buy yourself a new McLaren, right? Well, okay. That's cool. But what if instead you created some type of thing where you and your key guys go out and go do something with their families? That's everybody will remember forever. The milestone when you hit X. And when my daughter got sick, we told her we. He couldn't travel for long time outside the country. And so one of the ways that I motivated her myself was hey, baby. When when we're done with this whole thing, I'm gonna take you anywhere. You wanna go in the world for as long as you want to go and the whole time that whole three years. Hey, get excited where do you wanna go? We would take a map we spin it and hit our hand that was gonna go here talking about all these different places. That's all. And so we ended up going for like five weeks to Europe. We went way over the top. Yeah. But looking back on I'm like do. That's exactly what I I need to learn how to do for business is set up a milestone and create memories surrounding where it's not just this monetary thing comes and goes, plus it's great for culture, it's great for culture too. But that's something that I'm thinking about now is like how do we take that for our team to k we hit this milestone? Let's go to Hawaii as a group and whatever. Love it relates back to what I was saying with the whole family, and I will say get a new car is pretty awesome experience and driving them every fucking place. You go is pretty awesome to let's be. But as I get older, I will say there's less value on that than there is like like Saturday when we were out the farm with everybody that was way more valuable to me, then fucking any car. Yeah. Yeah. Mashing on some dirt bag. Yeah. And the thing is good barbecue that, you know, like, you know, but I mean, you look at what makes our culture, strong, you know, French fries. Yeah. So I believe that that culture fuck of French fries everybody. So don't be fucking shit on me. He might know. I know I won't. But I believe that that trust is created through. Physical torture. Basically the bond is foiled, dude. The fucking the camaraderie aspect is through that. Like, if you think about like, you know, I use this example, all the time when I'm talking about culture like like, dude, it's funny because like. We talk about what builds real culture will think about what really how much you respect the guys that competed with you and your cross but games tons. That's why I think every closest fucking friends. Yeah. That's why I think every company needs to have program that like hard functional train, dude. Sal this morning if I don't own your acids in town. So we have a gym at my house, and and I live on this massive hill. We call death. Hell I would love to see that. So that you would draw that's fine intervals well. Yeah. That's why we do. So my thing is funny that you do I my train Eames imams have great bang who don't know what that every minute on the minute training, which is exceptional. But I think every company like what we do with different companies worldwide is we bring a coach which facilitates community, and you know, bonds, I think every company has its funny, you said that so like, I was giving a talk on culture recently. To a bunch of multimillionaire entrepreneurs. I mean, everybody in the room own a business and made an excess personally of five hundred thousand dollars a year. Okay. You had to have that even get in the room. And they're like, what is the best thing we could do to culture, and I said by some by fuck and tank by sled by some workout shit, go out in the parking lot every day at four o'clock and do a fucking workout team grab some dumbbells. That's right. And do their everybody was like they're like. Yeah. But what what is it really? I'm like, I'm telling you what it really is you go out, and sweat and bleed struggle together and throw up together and respect is formed cultures built, you know, if you think about the best team, the best culture we've ever had in our lives being athletes. It was whenever you're playing sports in high school, and everybody's out there in summertime before they you know. Fuck in started really being to fucking push affi- for a better lack of a better term today's now it's like, you know, you can only work for thirty minutes outside in the heat. Get the fuck out of here. Do we were out there from three hours twice fucking day and a hundred ten degree heat summertime, and I don't know if you know about summertime Saint Louis, but it's fuck, okay? And humid, and humid, it sucks, but like, dude. Those people that I did two days with still have my respect today. Still what it does it breaks down the corporate veil. And that will we've seen. We'll have the president of a major company next intern. And and his throwing up if the president's doing burpee, and the interns burpee is I don't care who you are. It's hard for both of you guys. Yeah. And there's something to be said about that where that shared suffering. And I think that's something that we really bring to the corporate wellness environment. That I think is unique. It's not just gonna the days of just a treadmill elliptical with headphones in we need creating culture around this time a great way to do this by having a coach. Absolutely. I think you're right in identifying trust though, because it's when you do all that stuff like when you're really pushing yourself and your and your suffering. You're vulnerable those areas will be the best thing. I mean, I do the best workouts? I had here was when Mark Bell is here. Remember Mark was here. Yeah. We fucking got after do that day that was a hard workout push more times than he wouldn't let there's no fucking way. I was gonna live push. Shit as many I didn't push away. We'll give them this because I'm not like that sort of an athlete. So I was really fucking struggling like I I don't do that shit. But I'm like, dude, I'm not gonna fucking say. No, you know, what? I mean. Dude. He ended up coming. I ended up falling on the ground. Remember, I thought on the ground, dude. In like, I was dying and he came over. And he's like, dude. He's like you're getting the fuck up, and we're doing at least three more of this. And I'm like fuck. Yeah. We did it. But that's a small thing. Like, this is my core, man. That's what I love to do. I love to get my guys. And I love it. It was good for the team to see that. Yeah. You gotta break them see where they break. And you trust is built like what's cool about is do like, I know like physical toughness like when we're talking about pushing yourself physically like, I know that a lot of the dudes here in this office are way tougher than me. So it's cool for them to see. And I don't have a problem with them seeing that because I want them to feel good about how they are. Yeah. It's cool for them to see. The guy who comes in and kind of directs them in their careers to fuck in where they can beat me at that shit. You know, what I mean the other day we took our head managers to the ocean. And now we live in California's a little different we took our managers from there. And we all just went to the ocean. Right. And I just wanted to get a little bit uncomfortable now in workouts? They work all the time. So of course, they're comfortable in a hard workout. But I had to take outside that a little bit. You know, five percent and take him into the cold ocean. Santa Cruz was a really great learning experience. Not because of the coldness, but because we all did it together we all walked into gather, and you found little groups where maybe someone was a little bit more intimidated someone else came up and kinda like rose. And then afterwards, the Bonnie experience that shared suffering the critical, and you could find so many different ways to do that as an organization, but generally physical. I it seems to be the easiest thing happens with the lease amount of time and effort. Yeah. Let's be real it gets the job done quick. Yeah. I mean, I think that a lot with my kids like with my kids. They can't see me work. In hard flying. Saint Louis come meet with you guys or being like, they can't see that. And they don't care about the answering emails dad's grinding. Right. It's hardest thing you do. But the when my kids come into the garage, and they see me busting my ass. Like, they must something must trigger in them to be like. Okay. Like, I get it. That's hard work hard work. Yeah. So that's important for me to instill that work ethic through just like organic ways with them. I love that to me for from professional side of it. Like, I love watching who breaks and watching who steps up, and I love watching that you're watching like watching I like watching due to break and still get up having today. So what has a thirty minute imam by rocking hill. It's three miles run. They go out they fucking puke. They're dying having today. Two minutes later. They're back in and we're gonna hire that kid watch him do it. Yeah. This was cool kid can have gym came puke. Into my yard time. Go run the hill gives us up gets on that hill book, and he was struggling he's labor in seven hundred eighty feet of climbing three miles. How does that translate? Right. Like, you see this guy. Gets her early in the morning. So now, he's he shows a commitment to get there. Right. He's put himself an uncomfortable -sition. 'cause now he's with the boss. He probably doesn't just kind of stuff that often. But yeah, he's willing to do that. And how does that translate into him pack bags? He probably translates. Really? Well, he didn't back down character. Yeah. He's got hurt her you. He's going to be able to you know, that is going to be able to take direction because you mentally tough. You know what I'm saying? I mean, look if he's conversations thing with employees, get new employees, you try to coach him now, and they're fucking feelings hurt. And you're like, oh, this isn't for me. What the fuck is for you. Then you go to McDonald's fucking for is real. Because a fuck about you. I'd like put ashes on some conversation of for some people have been listening to this. And they're gonna all fired up on fitness. 'cause obviously the three we could talk about this all day. I think it's really important to recognize that, and I'm not working out with you clear. Let's be fit for today. Tomorrow the next day one be fit for life. So if you could start off like just by ten minutes a day, it is walking and then transition from their phone some functional movements, and you know, hit me up. We'll find ways we we have a ton of programs available. But I think is really important to recognize that if your Senator right now going out for a walk or doing five burpee is better than nothing. I mean, it's really important because we're about throwing up hill sprints like hell. Yes. Year quick telling I was telling people we did a YouTube video on this do when I was three hundred fifty fucking pounds. And when I lost eighty pounds. I put eighty pounds vast on and try to do the walking. I was doing before barely do it. Yeah. You're like Tyler sitting over here. Like, dude, I was dying. I couldn't believe that was able to do that. When I was three fifty. You know what I mean? But it gets easier. Quick. I mean, this is the thing about complacency your comfort, right? Like you can in order to be at least. Opinion. Order be successful in life. You have to push your boundaries a little bit further everyday day. Don't have to set, you know, I'm gonna do fifty iron man's and fifty days. Right. It's a little bit more and a little bit more, and I can tell you an honest little bit more Cressey because a lot of people say that. But then when it comes time to pay the fucking toll. They won't push that little bit more on for me personally. Like one of the greatest things I did. And, you know, everybody stories pretty well known around here is you know, I signed up for an iron man for me half firemen in for me. Like it scared. The shit outta me and held me accountable, but I had to push a little bit further everyday like just a little bit more evident had a plan and had to do it. And I remember how to get in the water in water ended up scaring me, and I got uncomfortable. I thought I was gonna drown and die. Like all these things happen. When I crossed that finish line, dude. I got emotional because of the the connection and a had with myself knowing that I put in the work knowing that I've overcome these challenges in these fears and these things and so now non like passionate about going out and having people stretched their limits, and we got eight. Eighty people going to do Chattanooga this year because of my personal what it did for me, mentally professionally personally, dude you pass your test. Yes. Because what myself to it? You know, what I mean took my program and a lot of people are afraid of that. Right. Like the guy made it like I did a half marathon last weekend because I had made a commitment to do it. And I did it did I wanna do it. No, no. I don't want to run thirty miles. Dude, Maratha I did last Sunday to we've got a lot in common that we're going to build Kuta Mexico. But but I think what's what's what's really important for people recognize that by setting up these pillars. Milestones. It gives you a chance, and you can't be afraid of that failure. And I think what happens is when you set these bogeys. I think a lot of people. They don't want to set the bogies because they're afraid of not reaching their whatever and be judged by other people. But to me, it's like, you know, what every single person who signs up for something. I got a lot of respect for them because they're putting their shit on the line. And they're going out there. They might win. They might lose. But you know, what if their bed in the person doesn't do anything at all? And I think that's really important is like not to be afraid of just putting yourself out there. Like, I'm competing a month in a van called the legends event for rogue, fitness, and they're bringing all the G cross-fitters out there. And you know, like, am I nervous better? Yeah. I haven't competed awhile. But you know, what? I'm okay with that. Like, it gives me something to train for and more. Importantly, it allows me to one way or another. I'm gonna learn something from that experience because I'm putting myself out there, and people could judge me all they want my performances, but guess what you're not out there on the Hugh. That's right. And I think that's really important is is anybody could do that in any way. They can just go sign up for a local five K who knows? Yeah. That's how I started to crazy. Well, no, I mean, you know, it's cool about what's funny about like doing a half, ironman. I it's one of the biggest accomplishments for me for me professionally. Okay, or excuse me, athletically, played professional baseball high level, you know athlete. I don't give shit about baseball. I put myself out of concord this challenge. And we, you know, I always thought ours thought everybody asked me, my nobody ask you what your time is just ask if you fucking did it. He's like. Like that. Cool. Don't be afraid don't be afraid to fail. It's okay. Yeah. You're going to try to sports like I'm a big fan, ju jitsu. I'm a huge advocate for it. Because it's just so you get so comfortable with the uncomfortable. So that's life. Are you you roll? Do you really have a big a big big fan? That'd be a fun thing to do. Yeah. I've been wanting to do that. I mean, that's another thing. If you know, you want get your ass kicked. Navan nantong. The office champ. Yeah. We do. Go ask everybody. Yes. You find a good sense for doing greenbelt? Groti your grill. Wasn't. I wasn't sixth grade. I took credit for two years, I'm greenbelt. So the kids built are different from the adult built, right? Greenville agree built the adult category. It was still wasn't huge issues. Awesome. Your picture. Go to the fuck karate store. Tyler haymaking, Photoshop the green belts. Yes. They're they're thirteen inches long one in man-size. One for you. Oh, man. Yeah. I love the AMR mentality. It's such a good concept. It it aligns with a lot of the stuff that I believe is. Well, a lot of the concepts that we talk about seventy five heart as well. But. You know, I think the most important thing that people have to understand that your characters your character. And yes, build that. And you have to build your character in your character reflecting all areas of your life. You know, a lot of people will discount one area for another area. Like I was saying in the beginning. You know, they'll say, oh, yeah. Making millions of dollars. Yeah. But you're fucking fat piece of shit. What I'm saying? That's not success. You know, success is giving your character and your values and applying them in every area of your life. And that's why I love what you talk about with this. Because. I think it's highly needed. Yeah. I'm excited to dive in. I brought Andy I didn't realize we can have. Where's available by the way? So the book you can go to Jason Cleveland dot com. That's my website. You gotta Jason clear hints Graham, I'm it's also on Amazon. Right. So it's Amazon audible it's on e book. Where would you rather people buy it from? I mean director Jason Cleveland on the be awesome of you. I don't really care because they're going to buy it. I mean, did you gonna sell some fucking books? Hey, just saying and guys you should because I think after you've listened to this man, speak, your understanding why he has been so successful in all these different areas as family his business, and physically he's got a bulletproof mindset. I think it's. I think it's something that people need to start cautiously working to develop you know, there's programs out there for how to get fit. There's programs out. There you go see a counselor for your relationship or a Brita book about how to be a good example for your kids or read a book on how to make more money and all this other shit. But when nobody's fucking teaching is how do we build the building blocks that all that other shit will be built upon organically? If you just had them, you know, what I mean? Yeah. In the day, effectively what I think about how many people do you know that are super busy and never get anything accomplished most of them. Yeah. And so for me, it's like they're getting eighty percent there. And it's a great example, you know, you're answering. They're working they're working to be officiant instead of working to be effective. Yeah. It's a completely different concept, you're answering emails and all of a sudden you distracted by something. And by the time you come back, your brain needs five ten minutes, whatever to get back in his own said to start time or get after it. And then switch it up. That's why a lot of people like. I'm never more productive when I'm on an airplane with no wife would nothing. I mean, you're just focus the magic you take that airplane focus in each thing. You're doing in your life. Right. And that's that's something. I think about a lot. Yeah. I do too man. I do too. And I'm working how old are you thirty three. Yeah. Fuck you figured out on a lot. Do the thing about me at thirty three is like I started competing profession crossfield twenty one twenty two. And then, you know, with with my daughter getting sick when I was like thirty twenty nine. I mean, do those are like certain life situations like that kind of. Get up. A long time to figure out or to come up with the idea of of actually I did it or Ganic -ly without knowing I was doing it on accident. If that makes sense it took me a long time to put my finger on what it was that. I was doing that other people should also be doing does that make sense. Yeah. And and dude, that's you know, this message. I I'm start reading this book tonight because I'm excited to dive into a man. And you know, I, you know, I get the whole idea at the book is like it started off as being like anti hack book. 'cause like I traveled a lot for a long time before my daughter was born I would travel couple hundred as year 'cause we are open locations all over Asia right from Singapore. Thailand, China whatever and every time I went to the bookstore. I'd get all fired up to go. Find new book, and I would be let down because oftentimes it'd be like work less paid more or just filled with or just be filled with useful or be Philip pages for the for the. Author to try and put more pages to try and make more money. Yeah. So when I sit up this book, I was like I'm going to put out the what I see which is when you roll up your sleeves get to work and the results. Come and then after my daughter got sick kind transform the book a little bit. But I mean, the intention is book is to be short effective read that I didn't want to add words just to try and make money like we know the MO the most successful author out there right now. Besides like J K Rowling Seth Godin. Seth Godin writes books, just like this one hundred pages long, but they're fucking. They're worth a thousand pages of regular book. Yeah. And I I I'm excited. I love books like that guys. We will throw up a link to Jason's book on the Andy for cell dot com website and just for. Your information because people sometimes ask this his last name is spelled K H A L. I P A is that your social just? Yeah. Right. I'm those active on on Instagram. Great. What's next for you, bro? Well, my wife, and I are hugely inspired by raising awareness and money for pediatric cancer. I'm gonna use this opportunity. Plug be the match if you have not swabbed for bone marrow. Look, you could really change them as life. And while you do she's going to be the match dot org dot com, whatever and have them send you this kit. You simply swab your mouth, and if you match somebody the problem with bone marrow transplants is especially if you're ethnically diverse. It's really hard to find a match. So the bigger we make this net. The more you can impact people, and it's not hard to donate your bone marrow, and it could really change somebody's life. So I'm I'm motivated on on building awareness for pediatric cancer. I'm using my platform and raising money to support families. And and so moving four though, you don't want to get back to, you know, building a business and reach our potentially, you know, like right now, we've quite a bit employees. How do we grow that? But but do more with less do more with the same people optimize the business, and you don't. Opportunity, come stay flowing, right glove. Man. Love you having fun, dude. Yeah. I'm having fun. I feel it. I can feel that you have on pretty fired up on I'm fired up in general. Right. And you know, I like I like what I do for a living. You know, I got into this thing. You know the day. I chose open up a gym I graduate from San cleaner Versi, which like a four year university where I live and the the common path would have been get a finance job, get whatever job. But I, but I went to this one interview in the woman. I'll never forget, I really liked you. But I'm gonna move you. But before I move onto the next round and need you to go ahead and wear a nicer suit, right because I'd been wearing a kinda like a sport jacket, but I wasn't rich enough to like a suit. Now, never forget. Those last words she said, it's looked at. It is not in my head. I'm like fuck what? And so I left I call my dad's. Okay. Look I need to do. I need a fall my passion. You know, do something. I have a lot of experience in I've earned the confidence to know what I'm getting into frankly, I probably could have done more to learn before in the business, but back then I was able to do it. And it was after that interview. I said Hannah dude I love for living. Let's get after it. And I'm still doing that today. So to me, it's a blessing and the fact that my family's healthy like, dude. What else like what the hell am I gonna Brian? How are you going to be winning exactly especially after going through what you guys have been through man's? I don't have any kids. So it's hard to imagine. But I think of it like with one of your kids, you know, it's one south kids. You had lots of kids. I do. But but it's different. I guess, you know, it would be different if it was one of your kids. Yeah. I couldn't even imagine. Like, I you talk about like when you figure figured out though. Yeah. Well, we talked about you got emotional outside of thing. Like, I'm getting chills because I just couldn't imagine a conversation. And you know, what though you step up to the plate? You gotta do do, and we could and we could all develop a set of skills outside of that just by, you know, choosing to walk outside and go exercise a little bit. You know that will help us one day when someone gives you some really shitty news. Yeah. To learn how to overcome it. Right. Right. So do first off thanks for making the trip out here. Dude. This is this is awesome. We could seriously talk for hours and hours and hours. Jason's got a plane to catch here in a little bit. I'd like to have you back out whenever you can come out. And we'll do we'll do another show. I also wanna talk about the seventy five hard on a show. Yeah. 'cause I have a podcast too. And I think it's super interesting said align, so well, the fitness item on noon, right? Yeah. I'd love to come back. Great. Yeah. Seventy five hearts cool. Dude. It's, you know, the whole idea being see people there's a problem with people's especially there the way most programs are designed in my opinion. You know, most programs are designed specifically talking about eating pro portion of this. Right now. But like, you know, the design with six days and then arrestee. Well, the problem is is that most people are so addicted to food and addicted eating habits that all they do on a traditional program is go the sick. They're waiting for that six seven days. So they can just do whatever cheat and have their cheat day or whatever and dude. Yes, people can get in shape like that. But the problem is is that you're not ever curing yourself of the habit. Because all you're doing is building a bridge in between it you see what I'm saying. So the idea of seventy five hard is to take all the take simple tasks and create a situation where there cannot be any compromise. So that you could truly change your habits, and who you are over the course of seventy five days. Now a lot of people right now doing it. They think oh, dude, I'm doing a fitness program, or I'm going to substitute this for that that you're missing the fucking point of the program. The port of the program is to. Build the mental toughness all the skills that you need in order to do everything that we're talking about build a business. Take care of your family be fit forever. Don't struggle with bullshit. Like, oh my God. I can't wait till I can have fuck of pizza again. Fuck pizza, dude. You know what I'm saying? Is it your life the quality of your goals and all the shit? You wanna dream worth more than the fucking pizza? You know? So like, it's training. And do you know, we're foretaste day forty four for me. But. Which is the longest I've ever gone without cheating on a diet. But like dude you couldn't fucking put anything in front of me that I would eat right now. You know, what I mean, unless it was all my program because that's what it's it. Just changes you mentally. And then, of course, some of the other things I do automatically. Sure you guys do as well. You know, one of them's returned pages of day drink gallon of water shit. I do that anyway. But everybody has their thing in this program that they really struggle with. So it's it's really cool to see how different people are growing in different ways. Depending on what skills they had or habits? They had in the beginning versus the end. You know what? I mean. I love it. Yeah. It's really really fun. I'm really enjoying it. It's gonna change a lot of lives. So it's I think it'll be the biggest thing I've ever done. Yeah. And goes really in line with this Amarante mentality and the book and whatnot. So I'm curious lime exciting. Feedback on that. Absolutely, brother. I'm excited to read it just because I'm in the zone right now doing the name me too. So I'm ready to go. Yeah. So do thank you so much for coming out brother guys police report Jason he is really a tremendous guy. Very very good, dude. If you got a chance to talk to him person, you would love this guy immediately. He's doing some mazing things. He's heart's in the right place. He's a complete stud, and you guys can learn a lot of a lot about life from following him. So make sure you're following them on Instagram. And then also give his book some support, man. You know, you guys know I don't bring a lot of guests on when I bring him on. There's there's a reason for it. This is a book that you got already yet. But I can tell you just from speaking with you. This is going to be a book that everybody needs to read. So guys check it out. Go to Jason Khalifa dot com or check it out an Amazon, and let's give this man. Some some some social love from from the one hundred zero nation to fuck. It's called. Whatever the fuck you guys want to call it. So guys that's the show for the day. Do you have anything say now man is fantastic. You want apologize for line about greenbelt? Now, man. Hey, okay. You're gonna you're gonna hang onto rear. Rear end in four karate moves me. What were you going to say one? Oh, Sal office champ video to prove it. The office champ won't get the fuck out to kick your ass right now. Last time you tried it ended up badly for, you know, ended up badly for you. I just had to get a new cell phone. I was. Yeah. Well. Anything? By me, a cell phone. I would like to know who could win an arm wrestle. We don't talk about arm-wrestling. That's for bitches. DM stood on professional or Russia. I'm out. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. I did break a guys arm. Wrestling one time though at pops at like four in the morning was this next Vons greenbelt story or no this is. Oh, this is I got a witness holes. He was with me four o'clock in the morning pops. Yeah. Swear guy Cup over. He goes. Pops is fucking bar here Saint Louis like you just don't fucking go there. Yeah. And I don't even know why we were there. Well, I do. It's right next to the strip club out of the way to pops afterwards. So you go to the strip club, you barbecue chicken sandwich because they're great. All right. And then that's how it works. So we're in pops it serves canned beer k- kind of place. We're talking about basically, my kind of place. So we're in there in this fucking guy comes over. He's got like a mullet. He's like, bro. Your arms are arm wrestle. You have like no, dude. It's all good. Like, we're just hanging. No, bro. What do you? What do you to push arm? Wrestle me. You think you think I'll beat you? And I'm like, no, bro. It's all good. Like fuck caused back. Ten minutes later. He's like, dude. I'm not leaving here without you arm-wrestling me. All right, dude. So to ended up our Russell in this, dude. And like, I guess, I don't know. Like, I thought he was like a pro arm wrestler or some shit. So I like it serious. I'm like, all right. I'm gonna have to fuck. Try real hard. Broke this mother fuckers. I mean appearance like, you know, who's it positive four o'clock in the morning. Let's not let's not forget. So were you. As long as you're mullet. No, I never had a mullet. It was all one length, but this was post mullet days if you want to call it, but I'm just saying like, Missouri mullets always. Yeah. But like dude this guy like he gave me this look afterwards. He's like pro you why are you have to be so serious? To tell you like four times alcohol. Yeah. Do drug. Anyway. All right, guys. Thanks for listening. I love you guys. Hey, make sure you're participating in the the one hundred zero power play. We're giving some cool shit. Definitely gonna get together. A trip for people out here on that soon. So make sure tipping that guys. Go to your thing. Let's kick mass.

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NAB Show BuZZ LIVE 2019  Show 2 (April 9, 11am)

Digital Production Buzz

39:57 min | 1 year ago

NAB Show BuZZ LIVE 2019 Show 2 (April 9, 11am)

"The digital production buys it NABC is sponsored by Maxine. And by simply a global distribution brand. Right now, we are talking with palm Marshall electronics noun logic hand signal corporation of America this day to the two thousand nineteen and AB show. And this is the digital production volumes. Law from the two thousand nineteen AB show in Las date. Technology technology problems. Nude connecting media professionals around the globe with the latest in technology. The NABC show by starts now. And welcome back. This is data to the two thousand nineteen thousand ABC show and businesses busier than ever we're going to be talking with Jeffrey Wilkes. He is the chief revenue officer for pon five. Hello, Jeffrey, welcome very nice to be here. Thank you for having me. That's a delight. I love pon five. You guys have some great stuff going on. I'm looking forward to hearing. What the new news is. But for people that have heard of pond five, but doesn't know what you guys do. How would you describe the company? Sure punt five is is the world's leading video first marketplace for content of all types of bit of media. But primarily were there source for video we have the world's largest market and up to fifteen million clips now available online twenty four hours a day. Fifteen million clips is impossible to search through. I mean, I definitely don't want to catalog all those things. How do you find stuff? Yeah. So search is one of the things that we spend a lot of time in technology team. We've built some tools to make searching quite a bit easier. One of the announcements were made at. Nebi? This year was an improvement to our visual search tool, which we recently, patented visual search tool allows people who perhaps aren't good at text based search to actually which is an easy. I'm pleaded guilty. Yes. To find to us Representative clips or images to find things that look like that a social me a picture that looks like this. Yes. And then show me a video that looks like this, and the changes that we made this year to the video search tool are threefold first you can search by composition. So what does it look like in the picture itself? Caller, if you want things that look like you're wearing a maroon shirt if he wanted maroon items, and then this year, we also put a scrubber. So if you drop a video into our search engine, you can move the scrubber to any specific frame, and when it's on that frame it will show you that look like that frame specifically. So it makes the process of finding license clips a ton easier for that is so cool. Yeah. That is not simple programming to do. No, no, no super complicated. And we have some really tremendous people who are much smarter than I do in that kind of work. So you've announced improvements to the search tool. What other news do you have? Yeah, we've got three really important partnerships that are that are burgeoning and becoming more important for us. The first is we've had a year long partnership with DJ I but we've expanded to a global partnership this year. Now what that means? So that means we are taking in DJ certified artists people shooting aerial or drone footage or certified as legal flyers. We're making that footage varies specifically available to our customers so filter bubble on the on our site. You can go to five hit the aerial engine and you'll get certified aerial footage. Now is the certification important because it's shot by a piece of equipment or a certification because it's legally ice licensed pilot. So it's about a licensed pilot. It's it's not about the equipment per se. What we want to make sure is that people know that the people flying these drones are flying them with the appropriate certifications. So that's what we're saying. Cool. Okay. So certification was second one. The second one is with red cameras. So we built a partnership with red. And we recognize that people were looking for specific output from red cameras when they're shooting with red. They wanted red camera footage as well. And so we've built a marketplace for red. So you again go to our site hit click the red button, and you just clips that are shot with red cameras. Very cool third. One third one is with apple in pro reservoir. So we've started the process of building a marketplace for that output at footage. The pros raw footage itself right in its infancy. So right now, we're we're launching is really a call to artists. So if you're shooting and you're out putting in progress row, we want your footage will build a marketplace for you. So people can find that type of footage tip. No, pro Rochon is a gigantic format and not all of us have huge pipes to the internet. How you could taking submissions. Yep. So are ingested ends going to get as special. You're going to get into the technology and technological challenge here. But I'll I'll describe it, isn't it. The best the best way to describe it. As it were. We're figuring I way to compress it when it comes in. No, that's a different question because the files are so large is there a way to send you say a ten gigabyte file on a hard disk or on the thumb drive in have you ingest it because if I had to upload ten gig file, it would kill me. Yeah. Absolutely. We're very capable of doing that. People people submit to us in a variety of ways and and often through through hard drives. Oh, really, I did not know that cool. Okay. So we've got a relationship with pawn. We've got a relationship with and certified pilots and progress raw and third one. Again, was what? Third one was progress DJ and red cameras and also improve the search engine. And we search visual search tool that I described anything else that's new I don't want to cut you off your now. Those those are the new items that we're talking about today, and it's really been a great experience for so far. We're seeing a lot of traction for all of those all those programs I described and in particular, I would encourage people to go to check out this search tool because again, nobody else can do what we're doing. It's and we've also built browser extension. So if few are in crow or you're in fire, FOX or your. Searching on any kind of site using one of those browsers. We can have an immediate tool for you to download the content that you're looking at into our search engine that is very cool been a minute of time, we've got left or so what's a feature of pon five that you think people don't know about that's kind of cool from your perspective. I think the most important thing for for people to know about pond five is that. We're incredibly artist friendly, and we were built on the notion of created sustainability for artists. So what people probably don't know as we have the industry leading revenue share for our artists to contribute on our site. How show so we're we're paying artists. Fifty percent ref share and our competitors are not doing that. So they're paying much lower rates, and that gives artists the ability to make more money in earnest sustainable, living, creating the content. They that they are inspired to create every day. Now, I could be confused and goodness knows that happens frequently at an AB, but I think you announced a different kind of revenue share for people who want to be exclusive on pong five is true. We recently did and those artists can you earn even more on our side. So we're going to take that industry leaving share and move it up to sixty percent sixty percent if you're materialists exclusively on that's correct. And fifty percent of it is not now, we'll drop down to forty. So when is it fifty percent? It's fifty percent. Now the program hasn't launched yet. Burgum is inches away from launching very cool. So right now fifty percent and in a bit whenever the program launches. And you get the details time, then it goes to sixty or forty correct how many artists you representing Jeff a sense right now video artists, there's at least thirty thousand onset, and are any of them making money tons of them are making money, obviously, you've got a sort of classic pro role where you've got an eighty twenty where the twenty there's some twenty percent who are making a lot of money or particularly good at understanding what cells in the in the stock video marketplace. But that for that long tail has got lots of people who are making their living, quite quite well. Well, the people you're talking to are the guys to shoot stock footage right now. What tips do you have for them to create stock? In other words, what should they shoot? What subjects do you need said lots of subject sell? And that's one of the reasons why we're so serious about building the marketplace that we have increasing our advantage in. Total clip count because every day somebody comes with a new search for us every day company. Somebody comes with something else that they need that they've never seen before. But to help artists do what what you've just asked is. We've built a contributor portal on our website artists. Go to that contributor portal Incan download shoot briefs which are the most important things to be shooting at this time. And we update those shoot Shukri son almost a monthly basis. So you they can go to your website and say this is what we need yet. Then go to our website, go to the computer portal, which is sort of their home on our website. And they can see exactly exactly what selling today and for people who wanted to track down everything the pond five is doing work in that go on the web, please come to pon five dot com. They make it simple as only five letters p and d and the number five on five dot com and Jeffrey Wilkes is the chief revenue officer for pon five Jeffrey, this has been a fun. Visit thanks for joining us today. Appreciate have yourself a wonderful show. A great launch take care. Every year at the NFC show. You'll find more than a few attendees camping out at the Maxon cinema four D booth all day why because Maxon hosts presentations by the most respected three d artists and visual effects, motion graphics and design this year. There will be twenty eight unique presentations from twenty one different artists, even if you're not attending, and you can watch all the cinema. Four D presentation streaming live at C four d live dot com. And if you register you'll be entered into a raffle to win from over twenty thousand dollars in prizes. Can't watch live. No worries all presentations will be made available on demand on a on YouTube channel a few weeks after the show mack-san's cinema four D stopped by mack-san's booth at any be and south lower sixty three twenty four or tune into the livestream at C four G live dot com. That's C the number four D live dot com. And welcome back to the annual tooth AB show. This is Larry Jordan talking with Todd musk grave. He is the director of cameras for Marshall Electric's Todd good to have you with us out. Thank you very much. So tell me what Marshall electronics does. So we've been in the broadcast industry for about thirty years. Now, actually, I started the camera division. There was a need for something in a small footprint full b and c broadcast frame rate and resolution, so I launched the camera division. Well, when you say small footprint, how swallow these cameras we're talking about a less than two inches, less flare. Two inches, right? I will confess three years ago after chatting with you. I went out the week after an AP and bought a a martial electrons Campbell he parked in the Rafter VAR studio and just use it for generic white shot. And did a one of job. We get a lot of video for raid. Jio applications as was sports now, so worship and other things. But I'm sorry to tell you that we have a new version coming out at a month. So. Maybe we'll we'll provide a upgrade. What's the new one about? So the new one is the five oh three essentially told me that in English. I can't. They only depart numbers only live in my head. But it is a mini HD. Sti camera. We increase the size a little bit in the sensor still HD still HD Tenny. The I in P and seven twenty p at fifty nine point nine four. We had twenty three point nine seven. We have a lot of cinematic James Cameron owns a small production house in Manhattan beach near facilities, and he's been begging for that frame rate for a long time. So we've added more frame rates more adjustability has one of the benefits where cameras remote adjustability where he can match your cameras up to with other cameras in the production. Plus, no pin a picture because there's these cameras are really useful in unusual situations. It's a replacement for studio Campbell shoes we're used to these cameras used. So we see them quite a bit in international racing. Circuits for curb cameras for pit cameras in basketball. You saw the game big game. Last night for backboard cameras or. NFL incidental. A they'll use them in the coaches booth for another perspective or attached to the pylons or built in the pylons or touch the goalposts. So I go to a lot of SVG events. And they always discuss are there too many cameras in production. I know I always say there's never enough. Obviously southwick. But but different perspectives ads in an immersive experience for sports. And that's what we're doing or sports. Production is doing is to add production value with different perspectives. One of the things we're hearing a lot about it to show his video overripe e they're currently connecting cameras via SDI. Yes. What's thought on moving into IP? So we have we have Indiana situations we have IP cameras, but the little POV size. It's mostly STI HDMI actually do quite a bit in pro V as well. So it's we offer HDMI version small format. But so we've always. Shot for broadcast quality video. And that's what would continue to do. I now we're using the newest in sensor in processing technology in refining, low noise and and good ipad patterns because the people that we deal with. It's funny that they don't look at the video quality. I plugged into a fabrics. And look at the signal vers and see how. And see how perfect drive had an is. Right. But I always say, well, you know, the great let's plug it in and see what the colors look like and other stuff, but they do that first. And then they do to the colors talking to the wrong kind of people. So I've been this industry. I've been into long the company that I worked for has been in for thirty years. So I've been in for about seven years, but it's been exciting ride with the POV cameras. Tell you about wireless, especially with cameras your size, which are like the size of a lipstick case to really all ended any chance for expanding into the small wireless. We look at that a little bit. But put our thing is we want want you to plug into a workflow. Right. So we're right next to visiting and we were viz link, and I am t for microwave wireless solutions. But we do collaborate with a lot of companies and broadcasts. So I could take your cameras use me for because I just had a flash is that I don't need to have the wireless from you. I can get the wireless from anybody takes the your camera feed. It into anybody's wireless at us you for generated image in somebody else to send it back to me. Correct. And we also worked with a battery solution. So so we're we're twelve volt in Oliver mini cameras that we plug into a wall war or to we get a lot of on car type stuff. For a grand juries mo-. World rally championship uses microwave virus, they use four of our lipstick cameras in each vehicle, and you can select your favorite racer online. And see it linked sinked four quad that vehicle. So there's a video feed of the guy shifting the gears the map guy in the bad guys. He's just holding on for dear life it left. Right left. Right. But a picture of him. You know, sweating and it in front and back, but I'm always surprised at the usage of our cameras. And and I love to hear the applications because it really grows and grows and grows and now in front of the drummer or muse live, concerts, we're using on their Mike stand just for a shot of his face and projecting it up. But so people say, you know, we to saturated with points of view. Now, I think you don't have enough points of view, and we more and more is very immersive experience. I think your your partner was to see five. Oh, three as the new camera. That right. Are there? Other new announcements. I don't mean to cut you off India run out of time. Indeed, we have a four K and you camera at sixty France for second and thirty frames per second. But we've added HDR so as a free downloadable firmware. You can bring that down off our website load. The new cameras new features and have each DR our ability, and we're going to support p q h l g so so not only a refresher. Where POV cameras would. We're also adding features all the time with the four K stuff. So all new small form factor cameras. Indeed. Who who does how do you get hang on who censor using as it wasn't you developed so for the four K stuff, it's a Sony sensor for the small stuff. It's panasonic. I'm not too proud to announce that, but we're using the latest and the greatest of whoever has the right size and shows the right performance will we'll take it and we'll refer. Find it and make it small and and and release so very very cool. What trends you keep him lie on what I'm not asking for product non-swiss, but what you lifting about from future. Well, she said stuff is moving the IP. So we are Z cameras have heaven Indiana capability, we're looking at raw Indiana for some of our larger format, and well, it it lack of a better term probably. But h word n d I h x is a little bit different than than some of the other solutions have but. But I and small format we've a lot of quest quest for a little vs with IP direct out. So. As we expand and make resolutions larger obviously, the you have to go to compression or you have to make it palatable for workflow. So we're always interested in doing that interesting stuff for people who want more information about the cameras that Marshall Electric's mix available where can they go on the well Marshall dash USA and do a search or look through our cameras selection. Those two words separated by a dash that's M A R S H A L L Marshall dash U S a Marshall dash USA dot com. And Todd must grave is the director of cameras for Marshall Electric's Todd. I wish you a great show and successful launches throw the and we'll get shit. New motto camera lick look forward to seeing a Todd. Thanks for joining us today. Thank you. Welcome back. We're talking with Roger may bond. He is the CEO of 'em logic. Roger it's always fun to talk with you comeback. Hi, Larry, great to see. Thanks. So for people that haven't touched base with 'em logic. What you guys do in these days? So we specialize in the design manufacture of LTO tape archiving solutions. So now you've been involved in storage before I met you about 'em lodge? Sorry, what was it about LTO the Kaci interested? Well, like you mentioned been in the storage industry for quite a while. I started a company called g technology firm that we've heard about relations on now a WD company, but nonetheless, so I've sold an enormous amount of hard drives and raid systems in my in my past and. It was great. Because when I when I sold G tech, I was able to take some time off and hang out with a kid in the family. But I realized that there was a place in the market to for very easy to use archiving solutions to protect all that content residing on all those spinning drives that I had sold back in the day. So that's where the idea kind of came from and LTO's been around for a long time. But what we did would choose unique is at a thunderbolt connection to these devices tape Rives, which made it incredibly easy to hook them up to you know, any any connection to it. Why is it because I've one I've had the pleasure of working with with 'em logic tape drives them several occasions. You sent me some review units, which I'm very grateful for. But why is it that that that LTO is still SAS based when so few devices have SAS built in versus other protocols. Yeah. I mean, that's just these these L tapes are now exclusively made by IBM. And the majority of these tape drives do have a native SAS connection. That's just what IBM is doing. It makes it difficult to connect them to a MAC because you would have to have a board which you can't do with the MAC, hence, the reason why we engineered this Thunderball connection to native SAS drive. So that's basically what we've done to make make it into a beautiful package thunderbolt in the back in at were very simple. Very nice, except I've learned that you've got wonderful hardware, which is the drive. But then you need software to be able to drive the drive and to be able to back up your files. How do you throw that problem? Yeah. So when you buy one of our LTO devices, it does come with our own app that we've developed it's based on this technology called L T F S, which I think you've heard at linear tape file system. And what else does which is also an IBM technology is mount the tape as if it were like a hard drive, which isn't able in this drag and drop. Analogy to the tape. So our application, you just choose the volume or files that you want to archive and literally just click a few buttons. And it'll it'll archive from your source whatever it might be to the actual tape. So that little application just comes with our products, very very simplistic application that said we do work with many, many third party companies that offer bit more robust L to archiving solutions, big databases and meta data and all that stuff. So it's easy to get your assets back when you want to restore those companies are Yata imagine products storage DNA ARCHE where there's numerous partners that we use. And we bundled software which gets me to the fact the word aby. What have you got? That's new. Yes. So our new product that we're showing is a it's a hybrid solution. So it's basically a raid and LTO so. We have high speed thunderbolt three raid with eleven drives in it to get super fast performance or online where eleven drives. Correct. Little excessive alike. The speed. Yeah, it's super super fast. And so you can put eleven drives either spinning or SSD drives in it or a combination of both. So some people had a little SSD for super fast, and then a big bucket of spinning dries. But anyway, the unique thing is that also has an integrated LTO tape in it. So. Integrated lt. Oh, yeah. So basically once you propose show up essentially, those are two different devices, but they come in on the same under Bill. Correct. So there's one under bowl pre connection to the host. So very simple. Very simple. So once you wrap your project, you know, you take the content does migrated to the tape and then start over the new project. So then you have you know, the whole thing here is L te'o is safest medium on the planet to store digital content. And that's the whole idea. You don't wanna have the content residing on spinning drives because that's a recipe for disaster. You will lose data if that's your plan of tack for for our Carpi. Thinking of that before we talk about more new features. What do you advise for archiving shy? Just make one tape. Well, it's certainly better to make one tape in keeping on a hard drive sitting on a shelf hundred percent. A lot of people do make to tapes and aim to be of the same footage that way you can have one vault somewhere. So you can have wanted to vault and to locations, basically, the the b- copy. So and we had devices that are lying to simultaneous copying to tape. So then the copy so for the ultimate security to to tapes at the same content. There's been a problem with getting LTO eight tapes, which is something that you're not in any way responsible for. But where do we stand with that? Yeah. You know, it's interesting. I just by the way, just got this for my HP frontier. That's a little Cousy that says L T O tape rocks. So I thought that was kind of funny, but I was speaking to him about it. But what's going on is there's a lawsuit between Fuji film, and Sony, and I don't know actually the details of what they're fighting over. But it's intellectual property of some sort, and that's been going on for months and months and months LTO, eight media, the tape media is simply not available, and it will not be until this lawsuit is settled I'm hearing rumors that it's getting close. But. I've heard that before. So I'm not holding my breath. But it's unfortunate because. Yeah. LTO media eight media simply not available here. Well, if I buy the latest LTO eight drive is there any tape. I can run on. Yeah. Yeah. So we have this protocol the tape which is the one that you know, you've reviewed. Thank you many times. So what we're seeing is that customers are purchasing the LTO hardware and using LTO seven tape media and end up. Absolutely he'll read and write LT of seven eight hardware, and what's the status of LTO nine so LTO nine I don't have a real firm date. But I'm thinking it's a couple years out still yet so interesting the thing I love about archiving is it's deadly boring until you need your files. And then all of a sudden, it's just the most critical thing you've ever run into. Absolutely. And and you do a really nice job providing simple easy to use gear that allows us to backup. Our files and get it back again, which is about as boring as watching paint dry of till you need the files. Very much. I would agree with that. It's not the sexiest thing, but it's a critical part of the workflow. And that's one thing. I see I travel around and go to post houses, and I ask people, whereas all your media, you know, in the lock meal. You know in the lock me over to a cabinet full of hard drives. And I'm like, oh, wow. Okay. Man, you need to try to talk to. So that's that's our mission at this point trying to educate people that you simply cannot keep the stuff on on hard drives. It's got to get backed up. It's to get backed up and the company that doesn't m logic for people to want to be able to get information about your products on the web where can they go? He can go to 'em logic dot com. That's all one word the letter M logic elegy, I see that's M logic dot com. And Roger may is the CEO of logic. Roger wishes successful show at happy launch. Thank you Bye-bye. I want to introduce you to simply workspace powered by store next six. This new storage technology is the answer to how smaller post and in-house creatives can work simultaneously on high resolution content without the hassle of big facility infrastructure. All your content is stored in one place, there's no moving and no copying files. Just plug in your max PC's, Lennox workstations using thunderbolt cable and yet to work. Simply workspace is a professional grade storage network. Starting at ten nine ninety five for a twenty four terabyte rape system. Supporting four simultaneous MAC users. You can grow capacity and users as you need up to two hundred eighty terabytes and eight simultaneous users. No, rack storage Fibre Channel just the speed. And ease you need. It's called simply workspace. That's S Y M hea L Y simply workspace. Learn more at go simply dot com. Hi, this is Larry Jordan. Thank you. For listening to our coverage of the two thousand nineteen eighty show. Now, I want to invite you to continue listening to the digital production buzz after and ABN's for almost twenty years. The buzz has covered the media industry for creative storytellers, we look at new technology new techniques and the people who turn them into programs from production to post marketing and distribution, we focus every show every week on helping you grow your creative business we webcast on new show live every Thursday evening at six pm, Los Angeles time, then make it available for download on itunes Spotify Lipson and the digital production buzz dot com. Join the buzz family and discover what the future of media Holt while you still have time to plan for it. I look forward to chatting with you each week. And welcome back today to the show. This is Larry Jordan talking with Jared Ivy. He's the senior technical Representative of sigma corporation of America. Welcome jared. Thanks for being here. Thanks. Thanks for having me sitting on my table are some of the most spectacularly beautiful black, aluminum and glass objects have ever seen. They are works of art, and they are sigma lenses. What are these Jarrett? They are gorgeous. I so I have two of our most popular lines are art series of still lenses, and I think the ones that you're commenting about are sending lenses the cine lenses are just beautiful. They have little picket fences around them. So I can't touch them with barb wire across the top. Because you wanna make sure that only qualified people are able to the are lovely tell me about the cine lenses. I'm so the city. Wins. Really have to start kind of go back a little bit and history music has been making optics for almost sixty years all in this still side in two thousand twelve sigma decided that they wanted to kind of reengineer their entire line of lenses and come out with being able to produce the highest quality optics that they could but still keep them at a reasonable price for many years sigma made some some very nice lenses, but we're always kind of known more of a value brand than quality brand. So do they wanted to to change that and they did? So very, very successfully. You know, we we came out with a new line of lenses called the global vision nine of lenses, there were three categories contemporary sports in art and the art series really kind of became a brand all on its own. What's the difference between the three contemporary sports in our contemporary our lenses made more with? Saizen weight is taken into consideration. This the art lands on the other hand, they put as much glass in there that they need to be able to hit all the check boxes of of what a high-performance Lind's would be. So extremely sharp sharp being resolve, you know, fifty plus mega pixels. Very limited. If no chromatic aberration, nor does not distortion, you know, minimal ghosting and flaring in the sport line is again, very high optics. But those are more built very rugged with all male chassis and whether ceiling she the art series. What it sounds like filmmaker should be most interested in. That's what we found. Yeah. Know the art series where we're outperforming pretty much any other lens and its category at the time, and a lot of filmmakers were using them and actually paying a lot of money to have them modified to the IRS to be able to have a longer throw for the zoom and focus and have the geared rings. So sigma did did some research and saw that there definitely wasn't market there. And after a few years of of doing consulting getting feedback out what they what? But the cinema lenses should really have as far as mechanics go because they already had the optical design set from the from the art series. So was really just are. They had to do for the mechanics of lens. Do sixteen segment outs. They were coming out with cinema lenses. Since then we have released three more Linda so now where we're sitting at ten prime lenses threes. Zooms all of them are full frame cameras with the exception of just two zooms or super thirty five. One thing I learned when I was doing the show several years ago is the differences in class lenses use what a sigma us for glass. I'm so like most optics manufacturers, you know, they do get their raw chunks of glass. There's they get them from another manufacturer. And there's there's a few major optics manufacturers in the world companies it just specialize in creating glass. Correct Grech dinners. You know, the reference book for these things it's just it's very very thick. You know, what the optical designers? Do is. They look in the see. You know that they want certain specifications for for lenses. You know, they go through this huge huge huge catalog of lenses, and we want we want use this when he's that. So what's interesting is a lot of Lind's manufacturers may be using the similar types of glass, but it's how each of them, you know, it's the order in which they put them in. But r- really makes the difference when they get those Roger glass how they grind them and polish them the coatings that they put on a match. What makes them unique to each to each lens? Sigma does make a few of their other lens elements. You know, a lot of our spherical lenses. We manufacture ourselves that is show cool before run out of time. I've been having so much fun learning about lenses. I forgot desk. You've talked about the fact that you release the cinema lenses, which new for the show for you guys. So at the show, it's nice that these are the first time that people actually able to test out the. The first time ever to test. These help it at a trade show at this level to be able to test out the newest folk links, which of the twenty eight t to t one point five forty forty millimeter T one point five and the one five t one point five, but the the most recent news from sigma is we just announced that we were going to have eleven lenses for L mount to measure of you're familiar with L mount like know, the communicate with mount I last year photo kina like Sigmund Panasonic got together and create an element to lions into now all three manufacturers are going to be making lenses and cameras the will support each other. So it's going to be a. Very this. Eliza simply change as you change. The mount system out make difference in how the lenses simple, or is it just the back into the lens the mechanics of the lends itself both both if you take diesel our lens. Remove the mirror box from DSL. Our camera, you know, and bring the sensor closer to the to the mount you're the distance needs to be compensated for so with if you take the lenses that already designed to to have a element of very close to the rim out of the lens. You basically just need to spacer. That's that's what we've done to kind of meet the need for Maryland cameras. That's come you know, very very quickly in the last couple of years. She don't have to reengineer the lens itself the positions classes, what I'm struggling to say, whatever that technical term is just how the back of the lens mounts to the camera. Correct. Correct. And the way that the industry is going as far as that those size cameras from it cameras. More manufacturers are actually designing in from the ground up new lenses where the amount is is a little bit closer. And it just the way that the the light comes out of the the rear the rare the lens image circle on his little bit different than DSL ours. I think in the. Future. We'll start seeing Moreland re-engineered that are going to better suit that on what would you say to reassure filmmakers that they should consider sigma lenses because you are new to the film making industry unit. Really? It's it's coming testing out when we are third AB the first one everybody was asking what's been done on these. It's been done on now that they've been out a little while a lot of people have either shot with them or know somebody that with them, and they they're getting excellent reviews. The end of the the one thing about this and cygnus business model has been high quality lenses at a reasonable price. The price point that we're at has kind of put us in a category where people consider budget Lind's but win for owner operators. We were hit immediately by the larger productions and some of the bigger rental houses. Were testing out. The white are white England's when the DP saw what they could do. They want to see the entire line. That's very exciting for people who wanna learn more about the lenses at sigma provides. Where can they go on the web, WW dot sigma semi dot com. That's all one word S G M A C N E sigma cine dot com and Jared IV the senior technical Representative of Cigna corporation of America. Jared this has been very informative. Thank you very much for your time. Thank you. It's been pleasure. Take care have a good show. I wanna thank our guests today. Jeffrey Wilkes with pond five Todd muskrat with Marshall Electric's Roger may bond with them logic Jarrett via sigma corporation of America. Our senior producer is Debbie price. Our show producer Paulina per sq transcripts provided by Simon says my name is Larry Jordan and thanks for listening to the digital production buzz at the two thousand nineteen and AB show. The digital production buys it N A B was sponsored by Maxine. And by simply a global distribution brand, the digital production bows. And maybe is copyright two thousand nineteen by Thilo LLC.

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Camino de Santiago. Pilgrimage of sounds.

Health Hats, the Podcast

16:36 min | 1 year ago

Camino de Santiago. Pilgrimage of sounds.

"So, like I dropped off. And I confess to feeling a little sorry for myself that I got left. They walked. And I didn't. Goodness. Welcome to health, hats empowering people as they travelled together toward best health. I'm Danny van Lewin. A two legged SIS gender old white man of privilege living in a food away sus who could afford many hats and knows a little bit about a lot of health care and a lot about very little most people wear hats wanted a time, but I wear them all at once we will listen and learn about what it takes to adjust to lice realities and Healthcare's tower babble. Let's make some sense of all of this. I find myself on a pilgrimage. I thought I was tagging along with my wife's hiking group through rural northern Spain, as a disabled person. But one of our companions Mary has been talking about the pope pilgrimage that the Camino dishonesty I go has been for centuries and is for her. I didn't take that in it. I really since I can't hike. I thought I'd focus on recording and podcasting. The experience I was especially drawn to environmental. Sounds in my preparation for the adventure. Myers have become much more sensitive as I walk or more motor around my hometown. More Chirps more barks more chatter more wind David born from North Carolina has been educating me on recording. Those sounds around me headphones and shotgun. Mike amplifying. Those sounds wool listen to the range of sounds. I've recorded I hear urban sounds from a balcony outside the town square in Villafranca del beers. Oh. Now, listen to the rural sounds of a field with cows and their cow bells along a creek and Harare's. Now, the sounds of my wheelchair as I drive on paved street, and trauma, Zillow you can hear the word of the chairs electric motor. Finally listen to the sounds of my wheelchair driving on cobblestones in Saria. I've missed many sounds I wanted to record. I heard a rooster. Crowing took me ten minutes to open the equipment bag. Go outside set up the equipment and start to record, I thought at least a rooster keeps crowing, I'll get it. But no, it stopped I recorded for ten minutes. No crowing but I heard my foot tapping the elevator humming dogs barking the wind through the leaves. We kept chickens when he lived in West Virginia. My wife loved them. They were messy stupid animals to me, not like bees. I loved keeping bees. But then I was the one that slaughtered, the chickens, I was an amateur butcher. At best. Somebody had to do it. You can't keep chickens and let them die of old age Roosters are who, though there Papas full of themselves useless, except for procreation in the morning alarm yet. See even know sound has a story. See the show notes are my website, WWW dot health. Dash hats dot com for more information or to subscribe, or contribute if you like it. Sharon, thanks. In case you think I'm not actually traveling. Here's some clips of my travelogue. I feel so shy and hesitant just standing there, speaking into my lapel I should pretend I'm on the subway talking than my cell phone. I know way more personal details about some people's lives than I care to, they won on the Camino dishonest. Jago. Was our flight from Boston to Madrid on IBM area. I had any Connie premium seat. And my wife had an economy seat, I sprung for the more space and she didn't. The more space is actually very nice, usually I gate, check my electric wheelchair at I retrieve it outside the plane. But today we got to Madrid no chair. Turns out they baggage checked it. So I had to go to baggage, claim and be taken by an attendant in a wheelchair and it was six AM, and there really wasn't enough staff, and I ended up in a holding room with about eight other people in wheelchairs that were sort of dropped off in this holding room and we couldn't we couldn't go to baggage claim because you had to have an attendant to lead this holding holding room I was in the in the holding room for about an hour. And finally, somebody came who spoke English can I was quite handicapped without being able to speak Spanish, I got my canes out and was able to walk unassisted to baggage, claim where my wife had found my chair in. A special area, I would rather have lost my luggage than my chair. And then we drove by taxi five hours to via Franken Dell. The heirs we spent two nights. There we were seriously jetlagged. It's sex, six hours, later here in Spain than in Boston on day two. We took a taxi to pon Ferrada to see the castle there. This was a to Kane day no chair day three we went to trauma, Delo, a fabulous bears run by Dutch ex patriot from autumn, who came to Spain with a fellow and settled in trouble and runs a gastro pub and hostile amazing food. Sakina blue cheese soup, delicious. And curry not standard Spanish, fair. Day four was Harare's, and this time I rode my electric wheelchair seven miles, I was able to go about ninety eight percent of it on my electric wheelchair was. Growed 's. There was one this really is the only section of the hundred and twenty mile walk that is suitable for a wheelchair. We had you know that ninety eight percent. Meant that there were two percent that, that was a stretch that was down a steep slope of. Grail. Underneath a highway, which I couldn't. Do my wheelchair. And a very nice man from Berlin helped us carry my wheelchair down this steep rocky path. But otherwise, we did very well. Walked the guy from Montenegro. We met people from North Carolina. You walked the several small towns population, two hundred to six hundred people. I love that. I can join my wife and friends, but frankly, I'm bummed out that I couldn't couldn't walk. I had to get out of my real chair several times to push it for hundred meters or so to work out. The Cranston sitting. Glad I'm not totally restricted to my chair, everyone else's hot from walking, and I'm cold and sitting. Between fifty and sixty degrees here few of the places so far, that we've been to are really wheelchair accessible, but it's no less than the United States. There are many sidewalk cutouts, but not everywhere, the bathrooms are by far the hardest then doorways than space in rooms for the wheelchairs berry tight to good thing, I can get out of my wheelchair and walk some carry my canes at that pet which is up to that wheelchair. But really mobility is not my biggest handed. It's actually the inability to speak Spanish. Jose. Luis my driver. He speaks no English, I speak. No Spanish, but we've been communicating quite well using the I translate, I enter something, he reads it he after something. I read it or he's driving, and we speak into into the app, and then listen or use a combination of boat. We've talked about our families the route, and our schedule really works mazing Lee. Well. Why don't we have I translate for healthcare, doctors who can't speak to nurses, who can't speak, the patients who can't speak to caregivers? This would be great use of artificial intelligence. I think it's less about the inability to speak, and it's about the willingness to take the time and have the goodwill and the patients to try to communicate with each other to look for something like I translate to use it to laugh with the foibles of poor communication, or poor translation. We have so much. Do much of the region. We're end looks like West Virginia used to live in West Virginia it has steep hills with creek in the middle. There are cows sheep and the occasional donkey, there's lots of dogs. There's lumber mills hostels and auberges costing five to fifteen year olds per night with breakfast bunk. Beds. We're staying in very nice ins with individual bathrooms. I'm not that rustic anymore. I hitchhiked through Europe in the early seventies, I spent a night in an old school in the Amsterdam with all the non load bearing walls, taken out, they had, what looked like painted parking spaces to unroll, your sleeping bag and sleep with hundreds of other hikers tourists. Vagabonds. Stay five on the Camino adventure. I met the CASA rural Koroma in also Brera. It's on the top on the top. It's the stone village. It's not a town. It's not a city. Seems like it's mostly. A beautiful rustic village. Everything's downhill from here. Spewed official. So I got dropped off. And I confess doing a little sorry for myself that I got left. They walked. And I didn't. Goodness. So, you know, my mom. Often worried about being left out. She wanted to do everything and really bombed her out that she couldn't do everything. I remember having this conversation with her. I don't know. Maybe I was in my forties, or so, mom. You're always going to be left on something. You can only do one thing there's hundreds of things you could do. And so you're left out of those ninety nine things that you decided not to do. But, you know, my mom was a holocaust survivor, and she spent five years in a German, Jew. She spent five years and other lands in hiding. So what did that mean that meant that she was? Hidden in addicts basements, sometimes can tables chests, and there was all this activity happening around her that she could here. But she couldn't partake in often. She couldn't see what was going on. But she could hear the sounds of people and the sounds of the street and the traffic. But she couldn't. Partake. So she felt left out. So I think that's. That's really a different kind of left out here. I was in my ear again forties. Telling her she would always be left out of something, my God. How insensitive. A travelogue Anna pilgrimage my fear of travel with handicaps turned out completely unexpected language. Not mobility or my handicap's my own arrogance led to my language handicap, while goodwill patience and humor manage that. Yikes. I didn't expect to feel so left out. Thanks to my mom for her perspective to better took me all these years to feel compassion for. I'm looking forward to the next leg of my pilgrimage of sound. Stay tuned. You know, I lied. I did finally get the sounds of the rooster crowing life is good. Follow my blog podcasts in resources through my website. See around the block. On headed down the road hoping to. Meet my compatriots. Black top road. Birds. Can hear the home of my chair. Logging countries. More like West Virginia all the time.

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Manhunt

Beam Me Up: A Star Trek Podcast

1:29:10 hr | 10 months ago

Manhunt

"Final frontier this is about saving the few humanitarian. This give a huge victory for the Times graduate not emotion. He was up. Welcome to another episode of Beam me up a star Trek. Podcast I am Brent Allen and I've seen every episode of Star Trek Multiple Times and I met Sonnenburg and this is my first time this year and this is the show where Matt is watching certain episodes of Star Trek all for the very first time and then attempt to figure out why star. Trek is such a great television show. Even when it's not Matt's yes today. We watched an episode called man-heights This is a jarring shift from the last episode we watch Q. Who where we were introduced into the Borg Buddy as we get into this I. I'm really excited. This is the final episode of season. Two that we're going to be watching. This is what I'm sure that a lot especially especially tragedies like okay. Wait you only have so many episodes and this is one you've put in there. I'm curious you had the. This is the one Matt where you are meeting for the very first time. The lovely the loquacious the flamboyant the seductive and the Larry locks on a troy even know that I care what you thought of this particular episode. I WanNa know what you thought about Luxottica. She's a character that's for sure they. Yeah I I mean. I don't know if that's exactly why you include this episode. Just so he could meet her. But yeah would you. Would you hate me? If that is why included this episode was just so we can meet her. I guess it would explain it okay. I don't I will I will spoil the ending. That is exactly why I put this episode in here was just so you can meet her now. I don't know off the top of my head if we're GONNA do any other episodes where locks on comes up. Because she's in about nine episodes over the course star Trek like she is very much a recurring character. I'm not intentionally putting any in there to go. Here's a lot a lot walk. Saana Troy story because locks on. Detroit's stories are notoriously bad like some people love them but notoriously. The shows are bad but such a character and when we talk about a part of this is is you know why star. Trek so important. And what does it say about US and holding up a mirror to who we are and then some of? It's just building out the world of the Star Trek Universe. And you know I I are none of the Litmus test questions I always ask is if Matt goes to a convention. What is he going to see that he needs a heat at least needs a base to understand what's going on in locks on his one of those like you'll find people. I'm sure that are dressed up like Wattana at people will mention need that reference. I believe yes that I fully believe that this would be 'cause play this would this is gonNA come out in the fan base But yes and it would be a lot easier for you to show me this one episode rather than try to explain well. She's Dan's mom and she has some issues. She's a little over the top but she's amazing and we love him all at the same time. What Matt Okay Okay. Now I guess I'll actually ask the question. What did you think of the episode? I was starting to question your judgment. I understand I understand that I really do. I really really well before we get too much further into the day. I just want to remind everybody out there. They can now visit us on the web. Beam me up. Pod Dot com website is live it is active also things to browse through over there including how to contact us here at the show and then if you'd like to support the show as some already are doing that which is so awesome. You can head over to patron dot com slash beaming pod. That's where we're GONNA post up all of our extra content or extra viewings. I'm get your pin ready because over the course of today's show. I'm going to give you lots of episodes for extra viewings skip a bunch. I'm probably going to get some emails about it but that's okay But also one of the things that you can get over as you can get access to. I don't know what the the right phrases matt a discord chat chat room discord just a discordant channel. Yeah people people off. It's like discord as a service but yeah so many times you hear you know you can get access to the dischord. Yeah that that's how people reference it Ryo so you can. You can get that. Where Matt Niobe of their new actually talk with us Which is which will be very fun. So all of that's like I said. Patriotic Dot com slash beaming pod. Like we said this. Is this the name of this episode is Mannheim? It's the final episode of season. Two that we're going to be running into Matt Let's talk about our our character. Spotlights I think our last episode didn't have any but we have actually quite a few for today's episode as we get into it interesting. I know Rick I know right like I've started doing this in a went really really because there was like locks on it and that was it. No actually there's a few more you remember when Captain Picard. If you're going to tell me their famous people playing I. I don't know if I care okay. Well that being said okay. Fine what are the ingredients is played by a guy named Mick fleetwood Wade seriously seriously downland member of fleetwood Mac one of the reasons. How did they tell that you you nailed that one? Matt I because I I kind of have a problem with their their their plotline. Same time like why would you hire someone famous to play a that stands there for ninety five percent of me zoning? Well I think this is another example where we have famous trekkies trek fans. Who are leveraging their flame their fame to get a cameo in one way to do it and like no one's GonNa know that Stephen. You of right but it was him. Mix Mick fleetwood once again founding member of FLEETWOOD MAC. And if you're listening to this and you have no idea what we're talking about. Search Google Search fleetwood Mac. Because you probably need to get some musical education. You've probably heard something to music even if you don't know that's probably true that that is probably true. I- oddly enough fleetwood Mac Mickley what I'm sorry. He had a few other roles in various films and television shows. There was A. I think this was a movie called the running man that he was in and he had a line that again. I think this goes back to his trekkie dumb. That said you have the con- Mr Spock like. That was his line from another movie right. Okay so I don't know what the context of that is. I didn't go watch a clip. I didn't pull it up I have no idea. All I know is That that was there in that that connects back all right So that's yes. That is what in fact I will. I will tell you this when I was trying to find production notes because you know how normally have like stories and stuff about the show or you know little little sides. There's nothing out there matt like. There's nothing about this episode. The only thing that you hear about is like Wil Wheaton some of the other cast members like fawning over the fact that Mick fleetwood onset for the week I could see that. Yeah I I in other than that. Yeah there's nothing I can really think of. That's super special about the steps. And I think part of the reason why like I started questioning why you chose this one. Yeah you have while he can make reasonable over on Like her introduction. And then you have these antiguans that I mean do nothing but I yeah. It's it's just a basic were on the ship. We don't really visit any planets now on the way to a planet don't encounter other ships or other races. Yeah and I. It's it's pretty simple episode. Actually well I mean this episode And I know we're in the middle of character spotlight but to be honest. This is the trouble with troubles episode for me for Next Generation. It's the take a pause out of the shining fiction. Catch the funny okay and and I would encourage go back. 'cause I kinda see like you sort of you sort of have like this detest for this episode right now. I hope by the end of this episode and I could be wrong about that but I hope by the end of this episode. We get back. You'll go back and give this episode another shot and you'll see the humor of this episode because this is one of one of the funniest episodes of all of generation and and I think it was ranked number three in like funniest episodes throughout all track. Or something like that. Most of the funny though and I'll I'll pointed out when we get through the show most the funny though is what's happening in the background like this show is so well directed by whoever directed at Bo. I think Rob Bowman I think was his name. But it's all the all the little background stuff that's happening is just amazing so anyway. Hey let's get back to some of the casting There's a guy named Robert O'Reilly who plays one of the gangsters and the holiday. In fact he was the second one who came up he had the low scarface on. He is a guy that I just want to point out his the the name of the Actors Robert O. Reilly a we're going to see him again in another. Yeah Robert O'Reilly. We're going to see him again in another role on Star Trek and the name of that role and trekkies will know this Matt. You won't but later on when I when we get to him. I'll point back to this and you'll catch him. It's a roll call named Geron. That is Gal this guy. It's his first appearance on track and he plays Geron later on so When we get there you'll we'll have that and that's again part of this. Kind of trackers on these guys go art carol striking. I think I'm pronouncing that correctly. Carol strike in plays Mr Home. Oh they're really really tall guy. Really Tall Grey Guy. He registered in even seven foot tall. He's still living. He's seventy one years old. He's from the Netherlands and in nineteen seventy eight he was quote unquote discovered as an actor. Okay when he was at the corner of Hollywood and vine in Los Angeles and a woman stopped her car in the middle of the street. Got Out of her car came running after him and said we need you for a movie. We need you for a movie. And that movie was a little film called Sergeant Pepper's lonely hearts club band. I know of the movie. I have never actually seen little Beatles Little Beatles reference but he's also been in. Twin peaks was in men in black. He's been in a couple of movies as 'cause like given his his frame and his stature like that like he seemed kind of familiar and not. You mentioned it men in black. That's that's probably what I was thinking of. Or you might have been thinking of this because this may or may not come. As a complete shock to you he also played lurch in the addams family movies that appeared through the ninety S. That would make sense as I didn't really see many of those but yes I've yep familiar there. There's two that I know of. I feel like there was three though but anyway So he did that okay And then onto the big one for the show walks on a troy. There is another reason but we just need to meet the character. Because I've been talking about this person for a while. Did you happen to recognize locks on all the name? Did you catch the name in the credits? No Wazzan Troy is played by Major Barrett. Roddenberry actually I think maybe did see her name and wondered what she was just like assumed as the computer again or something closely right so that is that is the first lady of Star Trek. That is the wife of the great bird of the sky is Mrs Roddenberry. And that's her. This is this character. I I don't know what that does to our thanks. You wonder a little bit more right now. I gotTa Tell You You know as I have said this star Trek era so to speak this rick. Berman ESQUE ERA. This next generation through voyager is my star Trek. You know this is where I came to track so even though major also played number one and nurse Chapel in the original series the role that I think of her when I think of major roddenberry Middle Roddenbury is locks on a troy. That's who she is to me. Chair so And and you just mentioned it. Just reminder she also does the voice of the computer and the twenty four th century series series. I series is serious. It's plural the plural of series. A series yes awesome. Okay well anyway so I get a personal laugh whenever I C locks on talking to the computer. Just makes me chuckle. Yeah Yeah at least once in here here volk conversation anyway So that's the casting matt so this is where I'm going to kind of turn the core of the content over to you. I'm just GonNa read us through and then you stop and pull in will spend as much time in this episode as you want or as little as we run through it because this episode man. This is really all about you but I I would not say. I love this episode. I definitely liked the substance. Oh I should also mention one of the Extra episodes I gave. You was an episode called Haven which was actually the for those back in season one. That was actually the first time we ever met walks on a troy okay. I think there's something in this episode. Yeah They. They mentioned that she was a guest on the enterprise again right. Right Mike. Okay that that's another one of those. Are you just reading that in a story or do we actually see her earlier? And I just didn't see her. Yeah so yeah. We did And there's there's a lot of jokes in this episode that kind of hearkens back to that episode but one of the reasons why we skipped that episode was one. It's a really boring episode okay And two I find it boring but it had the gas on. I know because because this lock sauna is a little bit different from that walks on like that looks was was a lot more bitter and just kind of like old snarky sniping kind of kind of woman you know like like upper class. You know my daughter's phase right exactly. This is where they've taken her in in turn her into a bit of a buffoon I don't have. That's not the right word. That's a bad word. They've they've this comedy. They've turned into a comedic character. Okay and just everything with her is so over the top. There's this flirtation stuff with her and Picard. All of that is really coming back to all of that makes her different than what we really saw in that first episode which is why which is a big reason why. I didn't WANNA WATCH THAT EPISODE. Like to give you an introduction into who locks on it is. This is a perfect episode for me. And out of all the locks on episodes. This is the one to get to know who she is. Because she's she's just she's hilarious. I I love locks on a on a on a hilarity level but I. I understand where people think her episodes into not be great. Because I can I can definitely see that but She is a character so anyway. Why don't we get into this to all right prologue? An enterprise is beaming aboard a pair of an tedium dignitaries and will soon be escorting them to a conference on the planet. Pacifica so they can join the Federation but card in full dress. Uniform along with WARF- Wesley Doctor. Pulaski meet them in the transporter room as they be men. A pair of rather looking fish like race weren't a self induced catatonic state which is how they preferred to take in space travel. O'brien will store them in the transporter room for awhile. And Wesley has look has has a look at the gross stuff in the barrel that has next to them while wharf marvels at their handsomeness. Hasa not a lot of things going on here right off the bat and obviously I didn't know where this this episode is going yet. So I naturally focus on these ingredients in this new race. Very very fishy but yes a way for way for. I'm sorry okay gotta be gotta be on top of those yes. He was weird though. Because I mentioned they're they're sending two of them over and then as soon as they beam over we get the third thing which I just did. I didn't think about until now that that shouldn't of like I guess they must have told them ahead of time. We need you to beam this long as well. I think I mean think. That's the assumption. Dr Polaski knows exactly what it is and what it's therefore because it just seemed weird. He said they're coming in. We get these three beams of light coming in. And it's like okay just little stumping thing down here. Oh Tub of I mean I'm just kind of look like anchovies but yeah for Mikula Bermuda so there's a There is apparently somebody out there or some group of people out there who have created A. I don't know if it's a website or an actual cookbook over. They Create Star Trek recipes in that they have a recipe for this Vermont stuff. Which is just Yeah it's just a tub of anchovies. Yeah but it's already wants that. The the where was. I don't have the note with me But it's it's stuff like like chicken broth and onions at like it. Sounds like a really good soup and then what finishes office what they call Whitefish. Okay which is basically fish any fish you catch that you can use as fish bait itself. Yeah White Fish like they just finished it off of that. Apparently it's really good. It's just like a you know somebody made it. Really good yeah. I don't know what they eating was really good but yeah anyway they they're they're they're catatonic we. It seemed kind of cold and callous the way that the crew treated them right. 'cause like yeah they. They're they're not moving. They did fiscal treated him like they can't hear us. We'll just store them over here. That was can you store them late? Living beings man. Yeah I like the they they actually referred to as you know to dignitaries are coming over. We're GONNA take down to the planet for this conference or whatever and it's like you're just going to store them ensure that makes sense but it seems we don't really know most of the crew didn't really know much about these creatures either because like Wesley was kind of Namur by them and even war flakier saying was kind of impressed by them and sure he he kind of had this alway throughout the episode every time we saw him like he was just there on security duty but like he just kind of was fawning over them. I it was weird when such the I mean that was that was part of the comedy right like we're all going. That is ugliest sin so handsome. But he's like I was trying to figure that out. I I'm assuming yes it's just for the comedy's sake but at the same time like why warf just because it's like they have things sticking out of their head as well okay. So I don't have. We seen this yet. We skip. It might have probably. They're they're sort of this running joke with warf and it POPs it in my running joke. I mean it pops up a handful of times throughout all track where the things that that like all the humans in the room thinker Disgusting Morph loves like whether it's it's can relax eggs and works like this is delicious. This is the best thing I've ever read in my life. You know And I'm thinking specifically there's a scene where Reicher is in his quarters cooking eggs for everybody that morning and ward one of them and it's like they just got these eggs off whatever planet they just happened to be at and cooking it and then they they all taste these eggs and they're like oh this is gross and warf is like shoveling it in if there was doors. It's a character trait. I've really run across before in next generation here so no. I appreciate that I. I'm totally on board with that. And one of the worst things. Sure so cool all right well on the bridge. The crew were discussing the merits of judging race on the basis of their physical appearance when suddenly Deanna since as a familiar presence. What's she doing here? Onscreen it's Diana's mother walks on a troy daughter of the fifth house holder of the sacred challenge of reeks heir to the holy rings of Betas. Ed She's been granted. Ambassadorial status in will represent Betas at at the conference ozone Luke such nutty thoughts and we go to credits She was the episode. Obviously it's Network TV. The knock can give us any any detail. Our minds won't run wild with that but I see right off. The Bat is just in your face and I didn't know what to think of her. It was just a lot to take it. I'm like okay. You are going to take charge here. And Yeah Kind of like you could tell. It was GONNA be a handful for card and it's it's one of those things. I think one of the reasons why I like it so much is because we're talking about. Captain Picard here. He is the consummate leader. He is the consummate professional. He is the guy who knows what to do in every situation. Can he can make decisions in every situation. He is so what I don't even know what's the word like like this laverick asked right like like. He doesn't know what to do with her like she throws him off his game. So hard core You know I like watching. Captain Picard squirm. I gotTa tell you I just do and like the worst part is okay so okay. What one with no before gets that before I forget? Deanna 's uniform almost fits with the rest of the crew. Does it today? What what is she she she? She is wearing red with a little black collar on. Oh she got that costume now. Okay Cool Yeah. Like like like yeah. I know we've seen her in like twelve. Different costumes already like episode. But yeah she's like looks like it's made from the same cloth as everybody else's uniform now so anyway you're going to have to be a little bit here with some character background. So Deanna did did we determine. She's like half she's half Betas that her father was he said yeah human. His name was IAN member. She named her son after him. Yeah Okay and so. Is that why? Her mother seems to have more telepathic powers than she does like can she said yes she she seems to not just be able to like sense feelings and such like she can read people's thoughts right and yet she can well then she can have conversations with her daughter. Which maybe I mean I guess. Deanna can talk back to her. So that's something we knew. It's just that's just between Betas so it's well no 'cause if you remember it was all the way back in the very first episode encounter afar point when Anna and Reicher I met. They had a mental conversation where she liked the first question. She asked her she asked Reicher like mentally telepathically was. Do you remember how I taught you to talk this way. And they had like a little conversation mentally so apparently humans can they can learn Sherao too. But that's GONNA be one hundred percent on the Betas ed making that communication happened back and forth. Obviously with it comes on it. Yeah Yeah and I think you know for as much as the ANA- keep saying or as much as we know she's half Betas head like it's kind of like spock is only half Vulcan. Everything about him is still vulcan though right and it's like everything about the Anna still just Betas at like all of her traits and all of her little things are still supposed to be. Betas it. You're not gonNA notice You know what what human the human part isn't going to stand out to us right right right. So but yes so. That's that's a little bit of Diana's background with with Fair enough all right act. One walks beams onto the ship in a crouching position and help. I can't find my legs the right below your mother. Deanna says a little bit exasperated perturbed Lassana seemingly oblivious to her daughter's feelings continues to flirt with card as Valet Mr home beams aboard. He's a giant Lurch looking character new toys. I get But Walk Sauna. Once John Luke to have the honor of carrying her things cards sidesteps this task by the way. This is a throwback to the first episode. This is. This is very much if you watch that first episode. And you're right into this one it's actually. It's a much more hilarious exchanged. Probably what you're getting on a cold watch that I believe card sidesteps this task but a peacocking Reicher struts up and takes cards place of course the space suitcases incredibly heavy on the way to locks on his troy to lock saunas quarters. We are reminded that Reicher Indiana used to be a thing or are they still are. We're not really sure which. Yeah I and it seemed interesting to me just the way that they talked about it though. 'cause deanna like she. She asked DNA. If breaker is still hers. Like humans no longer own each other that way right. That's that's a really like it. Seemed like a very star trek thing to say But it's still seemed like a very weird thing to say no matter how how how I thought about it like I mean are they just referencing. Like marriage tape of owning or like slavery type of owning. I'm not sure what what's going on here to see weird. Yeah there's a there's a weird I don't know if we're just missing something in Betas a culture that might be a bit more matriarchal than than you know what what we're used to I mean certainly humanity human history at least to the point that you and I live is very patriarchal for the most part. It may be it may be. I don't know by like you go. Wait are you talking about marriage here? Yeah it's just weird because I didn't know someone was trying to make a statement with that. Yeah I don't I don't think they're really trying to make a statement there but it is one of those things that that as a married guy For me personally just me. I'm very pro marriage. I like being married at like I. I'm probably due to life. In fact my like my wedding ring on the inside of it is inscribed I am. My beloved is mine. Okay okay it was something between me and my wife. And that's that's literally inscribed on my wedding ring so I don't care what locks honest says or what Diana says you know I. I don't know that I would say that. I owned my wife or that. She owns me. Yeah but I'm perfect but I'm hers and she is mine check however you interpret that. That's fine because we're cool with that you know so that's just us though I don't know how other people feel about it but Yeah it's always a weird one that makes me 'cause just happened to be the opposite like I I enjoy it. So let's see here back on the bridge right women. I'm sorry I lost my spot. There we go in her quarters. Mr Home picks up the suitcase like it's a styrofoam rock. Did you notice that? Yep that's see that's what it's all the background stuff. That is hilarious like rikers. Like pulling this thing and he can barely move. He's got a crooked back after carrying this thing and Mr Holmes walks over and picks it up like it's nothing like he's I see all the time on TV shows and stuff and sometimes bothers me. It really depends how the actors play Reicher. Did a fantastic job with us because wouldn't surprise me if it if that was a a a styrofoam ball Just so you know they could lift it because if you watch on any TV show If they're like moving or something and they have to lift all these boxes. Those boxes are always empty right and it bothers me when like the the the actors like grant from the top and just pick them up like they way nothing like that boxes labeled books your act what they're paying you for or episode. Come on man. I just saw a show. The other day that there were there were milk cartons. You know like the the little ones get out at school lunch. And the the the actress picked went up opened it and set it back down on the tray And you could hear. It was hollow because she had just opened and she said it down. Yeah that that should nap. And I know they're trying to just avoid accidents and stuff and making as easy as possible but there are some things like couldn't you fill it halfway. They're not going to spill it. Fill it with water. What whatever you not doing some but it just I notice these things. I don't know if other people just let them. The privilege slept inside but I notice these things and they bother me so that's why I love. I I appreciate it very much. Reicher did a very good job of making it look difficult to lift something. That probably was not very heavy at all Because I mean I I have to think it was very heavy because you know Mr Home. Didn't look like any sort of bodybuilder. No so right but he has. I think it's probably we get these little clues that for whatever is going on with his race and whatever he is Oh yea. I totally got that. That's the way it was written lake. Yeah his race. He's he's super strong. He can just lifted in rikers. Go tell time with it. I I understood that fully but yeah. I'm just saying as far as acting goes I like records are Yo- walks on informs picard that she's going to be serving a traditional. Betas at dinner of greeding ambassadorial function. Lassana is on the hunt for Zhong Luke. Deanna Deanna thinks that she sizing him up like livestock and walks on admits doing so. But it's alright. After all Diana's father was absolutely smitten with her right of course back on the bridge. Reicher data and Wesley are cutting up about luck sauna. Coming onto the captain even speaking out about the part about captains legs picard catches the tail end of that conversation. It gives them all a dressing down to which reiger turns around and says yeah guys. Don't you be talking about. She's an ambassador and you'll be treated as such well on board by the way dinner tonight as a dress uniform dinner but no one else on the bridge seems to know what the heck is talking about it. See I at this point. I'm like well would they? Will you heard her talking to Picard? So do do they get dinner announcements every day. It's like meteor for dinner where this like. I mean yes. Someone's GonNa tell him so. He was telling them dress up for dinner tonight. Okay cool. That's yeah obviously. Once again well well-directed well acted whatever you kinda get the hint at that point already. It's like case is going on here I did. I did love the part though. Would like you've got reiger dated. Wesley who are just. I mean they're full on cutting up about this whole and picard walks in and starts dressing down like reicher takes like three steps over closer to picard and then turns around and glares at data and Wesley as if they're like in the wrong for yeah guys don't you you respect. Her reicher was one of the boys until captain came out. I'm supposed to be doing my job here all right. Let's see here later that night. Back in locks on his Quarters a fully decked out captain Carter arrives bearing a gift a bottle of what I believe. Is Romulus Ale for the dinner party toward I assume blue juice juice Rodney? Mr Hall graciously accepts it and immediately now the entire bottle once again showing. The superiority of his race is a drink and race. Isn't he drinks a lot. Which maybe maybe that's just what he has to do to put up locks on throw anyway. Slowly Ricard starts to realize that he and a luscious Walk Saana. Are The Dinner Party Aka. He's on a date. Oh he got a card. Listen there are worse things that can happen to going out a few hours. I suppose but I mean even he he he's not even going to put up with for that long. No but I mean like you really get like the idea like he would almost rather be an any life and death situation on some perilous planet than be sitting here with locks on for the next. Yes all right. Act To looks on. It is laying it on thick with card. She's practically throwing herself. Adam taking their first bite of what looks to be like a space fruit salad with cool looking space forks. Mr Home rings the Gong behind them. It's a Betas ed tradition. A way of giving thanks for the food suddenly. Picard sees his way out of the awkwardness. He calls for a very eager commander data to come and discuss cultural food traditions among the universe after all it's a wonderful after dinner conversation first of all. I'm glad you mentioned the forks. Does some pretty cool forks. They were. I don't know how like I like the way they look but at the same time. I don't know if they would actually be nice to eat with because I like I. Just they're very straight away for one side like I don't know if they would really make a good four cannot but but they go on. Tv didn't they. Yes yes as far as the the the tradition. Mandel get annoying. Yeah I'm all for giving thanks but there's a reason why you know we say a prayer at the beginning meal deal as well but after every bite right. Gong like Oh boy your ego. But I've said before I think I'll say it again. The card treats data like like computer seriously. Like he's sitting there and he he hits little buttons like data. Tell me about this. And he just spews it off like we would with any of our little toys nowadays If you had a friend who was capable of just automatic recall like that not not same thing. Yeah especially when it doesn't seem to mind except he enjoys it. I mean I do that. Some extent like obviously a friend who knows everything but when I I'm in the same room with someone and I know they know a lot about a certain topic that we were just discussing or they know the answer. There are no the answer to this question. Yeah like hey what is or the other week we were talking about this and you said it was. Yeah you totally do that. But it's just weird because he has this living breathing Alexa. I know is data breathing when you told me. He has all these organs like he can eat so like he. That's an Oregon. I think chamber where the food can go until he has to dispose of it somewhere. I don't know there might be some sort of function I mean like I I would think just like Qassim before. Like he doesn't need oxygen to live but I would bet that he does breathe interesting. I mean he. I mean we probably is what I I don't know if they ever explains her. Use It in a plot or something. But I'm totally do this. He should constantly be sucking in the air and testing it. They do send like when when there are places where the The other crew can't go. Yeah like data goes he was like I can go over there. Yeah I'm literally the only one who can go or something of that nature so totally makes sense. And that's what that's kind of what I'm saying. It's like so he should be like a constant function built into him. He does breathe like the rest in and out like the rest of us but he he has a different purpose. He's testing the air as opposed to. I need action Interesting well with that much locks on his pleasure or displeasure. I should say card is doing everything he can to keep data just going on and on and on about something anything please. Just keep talking data out in the hallway. Deanna tells us what's really going on. I'm sorry she tells doctor. Pulaski was really going on. Walks on is going through the phase a sort of equivalent to admit applause and human females. Except for for Betas women. This is when they reach their full sexual maturity so not really at all like menopause. I guess I'd say it's more like closer to the Vulcan Pon Farr Matt that's-that's my thought actually sure sure what gets me though is like it's this is she. She had a husband she hand children. And it's well after that like her child has grown up and now she reaches sexual maturity. Weird I mean but think about it like Deanna. She's still really young right like she get married. She could have children and then later hits this. You know That's that's where locks on it is now so But I gotTa tell you Dr Polaski. She's taking a little too much pleasure and allowing walks on it to continue her pursuit of the captain very much. So this is this is where view drilling into me. That Polaski is bones character. Yeah yeah bones would be doing these thing to Carrick Esley. He you know it's not too often. I can sit back and let the captain take the brunt things so I'm just going to sit back do so if you're expected like come up in various scenes with like box popcorn pretty much pretty much. Yeah I love it. I love it. Dna interrupts data in the midst of another compelling anecdote which uses a moment to make his escape and he has ever so grateful to data. The Anna wants to know why lock? Sauna would come aboard at a time like this. You know a woman in her condition and all. Don't worry locks on it. Has It all under control? She's going to do the only honorable thing there is to do and Picard. He knows what's up. Yeah so first of all the fact that they just called the phase lazy writing like they come up with names for so many other things you tell me couldn't come up with one more name. That sounds at least little bit foreign as opposed to just the fate as someone this is. Someone wrote down in the script the phase and forgot to make the note. Come up for a better name for this later. It just stuck in the script as the phase. Okay sure okay anyway. Well you know what they call menopause here on earth. Though the euphemism we give for that the change she's going through the change. Have you ever heard that we say that I saw? I don't know if they say that a move from. I don't know if I've really heard that as much. Maybe it's just my generation. I don't know if you and I are like shortly separate generations. Come on Manhattan. I'm kind of on that bubble so anyway I keep losing my son in the captain's ready room she wants. Kappa card. Wants to know Dan. Reicher are relying to capture card. Exactly what the phase is and how it can actually quadruple their sex drive or more. Sometimes more DNA had warned Reicher about it when they first started dating but turns out she might have undersold it to Reicher. Just exactly how much this affects the Betas women as implications of this news lands on Reicher? Man It's my favorite moment of the show. It's IT'S I. Did you catch the smile on the came across rags face? Yeah Okay it literally makes me laugh more than anything else in this episode and. I don't know that I've ever actually noticed it before. Viewing for this particular show but for anybody out there who didn't watch this episode. If you didn't I fully understand there's this moment an Reicher is kind of like e- like he's trying to explain to capture card like he knows all about us you know he's an he's dated her. He knows all about her culture. He's trying to explain. Because I from what I've gathered. Deanna has explained to him quite a bit sure she has. Yeah I mean they legitimately you know we're together for quite a while. Hey you should know. This is coming down the pipe. You know it quadruples their sex drive and she goes more he turns goes more. She's like why didn't I didn't want to worry you. And she turned around and starts talking to picard and he's just staring at her and there's just this good beat like two or three beats and all of a sudden he just smiles as because he knows exactly what that means and then he just looks. Carney's like right back into it's so great and it's it's probably it's the closest I've ever personally felt to Reicher was because if that was me I'd be doing the exact same thing. Nah wait a minute that means in about thirty years. You'RE GONNA. I'm staying with you as exactly what I would be thinking anyway Deanna spills the beans to picard that. The phase messes with her telepathic abilities. So she's a little off on all this thing that she really thinks about and she is going to try to marry Picard to which provides answers to simply make themselves scarce card retreats to the Holodeck to pass the time as Dixon Hill Private Dick of the nineteen twenties. Yeah actually the holiday Matt for putting this holiday to get use apparently but I. I'm not sure I if you just jumped over if he skipped it a little bit but if you missed it when you're watching it but like I I pretty sure if I look. I didn't go back because I was kind of laughing at it but I forget who said if Deanna or card started to say like well. There's only one thing we can do this. You know doing the situation and I thought it was Reicher that says isolation rights like I. It was one of those moments. You know when you think everybody's on same page you're all going to say the same thing and then you blurt out different things since like. Oh Yeah we'll go with your answer. That's not what you're GONNA say. Okay I the the the the weird part about this to me is they make such big deal of like. Is it going to focus all her energy on one man and eventually to eventually become her husband so it makes it sound like this? Is their time in life when this usually happens. Kinda like you're saying like what on fire and stuff like that kind of when it's expected to happen like I was saying she's already had husband she's already had a child and my so he hadn't he's dead right that. Yes Yeah He. He's yeah so if he hadn't died and going through at like it looked like the that's where I don't get why they make such a big deal about blake becoming her husband. I'm like I guess it's because they even say like it will eventually become salt lake. Oh it's so strong is going to happen right now in you know. No it's like this is GonNa be a progression over time and it's not just all of the sudden things are happening in changelings. It's that's why I guess I'm a little bit confused with why this happens. Dead this point in their life I mean I guess it's kind of the equivalent maybe of like a sixteen year old getting pregnant. It's just in their culture that timeframe shift gate a few years apparently or flip flops. Them at what? If it's actually flip-flop you know you get pregnant. You have your babies earlier in life. If her husband was still alive. This wouldn't be an issue right. All of her energy would just be focused on her husband. You would think so. And so she's gotta find a new one. She's been single for all this time. She's been fine but now she's going through the fades cash. She's got a you know it's weird. I guess it's one of those things. It's okay can I make up for you? I'm gonNA completely wrecked ships. I if if if I'm trying to figure out okay. So what did you know like like in in in human female menopause? What they're comparing it to. That's when that's when human females Stop being like their reproductive systems. Shut down for lack of a better word. Chirp like they're they're done. Maybe this is like the precursor to whatever that is in Betas at women so this is the. Hey if you haven't gotten married yet if you haven't had children yet here's your last chance because it's all about to shutdown. Maybe that's it. Maybe maybe possible explanation. Yeah like I think it's just one of these things that it's different from our culture which they are definitely trying to do you know. Try and be different from the human culture and give us these differing viewpoints of things. And so I just have that much harder time fearing it out understanding it because it's not what I'm used to right right and I don't know if it occurs to me right now is we're trying to have this conversation about how female bodies work. We're too you know what I mean like. We're clueless. I don't know I don't know why does that. I mean and you know the writers made it up that way because just say honestly it was probably a bunch of guys wrote the ship so probably all right. Hey what did you think of the whole and we'll get into it here in just a minute but the whole Dixon health thing that a part of the. It's the first time you're seeing Dixon Hill. Yes I so Question you may or may not know is was Dixon Hill a real thing like they referenced when he was trying to reprogram stuff. It's like I can only go as far as the Dixon Hill novels after. Stay within this frame like not something I've ever heard of. I don't think you know not like we've had sherlock Holmes for like. I can't say I've heard of Dixon. Hillside and off. That's just something he made up for the show and I believe it either way but I do believe that it is something that is made up four star Trek. I don't I don't think that it is a normal thing but I mean you say something like Hey Dixon Hill private detective of the nineteen twenties. I mean you can imagine what controversy I I totally got what they're going for and later off just very stereotypically type of stuff in there and I thought it was weird that they were jumping to this in the middle of the episode. I checked the time and I think it was almost exactly in the middle of the episode because it got me thinking like by this time I had forgotten about the tedious. I was on on this walks on a train and trying to figure out what's going on with her and then he's like okay. Now we're jumping to the last time we went to holiday that was like the main plot right and so. I like okay. So maybe this is the real plot now like. I don't know what kind of late to be doing that. And it's like okay. Okay eventually figured out. It's his escape and this is his and I thought about this but I think we'll let you continue all right There there is one little joke that happens by the way just so you know. This is the second time I believe. It's the second time that we have seen Dixon. Hill and Captain Picard. Trying to get into this character. I'm not surprised because of the way he he had some trouble recalling. Madeleine's name right right and there's just there's just there's a little joke right here at the very beginning of act three as they come back in. It was about this at this point in the first season when we met Dixon. Hell and we haven't really seen him sense. Okay so there's this little joke when he walks in and he's like you. Madeleine right and she looks. She Goes G. Dick's it's like you haven't seen me in a year because he hasn't got okay anyway. Three back in the holiday but card walks into a to his I mean meaning Dix hills office and his secretary Madeleine forms. Landlord wants the rent by the way she wouldn't mind getting paid to. Well time to get a case occurred checks out as period digs kicking up his feet on the desk. While let's get away from it all plays on the radio I didn't even catch didn't even catch I. It's it is so go red light to me every time I see it like this is what he's doing. Here's what he's doing. Let's get away from it. All right as they go to to commercial backing locks on his quarters she can't believe that. Picard is taken up with ships business quote unquote. Well no worries. She has an alternative plan. Back in the Hollick. A Mr Bender comes looking for Dixon Hill. Things quickly escalate and Mr Pimples gone up a card card reconfigures the program for more ambience less substance but after a few more failed tries the computers like dude. What do you want these? Are Dixon Hill novels? This is what happens. This is all the information have. It's I I. It's kind of like the problem we had with with data and the Ol- Sherlock Holmes saying it's like I You told me to keep it within the parameters of the Sherlock Holmes novels. So that's all the information I can use. And Hey what. You're referencing right now. Matt is an extra viewing episode. That wasn't just listening to the main feed. Do Not know that you actually watch but you did watch elementary dear data and you guys. If you're interested in finding out Matt's thoughts on that episode head over to Patriots Dot com slash beaming pod where you can get access to that episode very shortly. Actually so yeah. It's interesting to see how they're going to treat the Hollick. 'cause 'cause obviously like I keep putting all these things in my current frame of mind technology. We have today because Asif said so an entire so much of the technology that they're making up back in the eighties here right like we have much of it today or at least very close or like we. It may not be mainstream. But it's something that if I had enough money I could probably build the holiday deck. It'd be you know one of a kind of thing but you get really close did you. Did you go back because I texted you? Abouts okay so as we record this now Disney. If you bake across all time everybody knows who desserts now forever Disney has just released their streaming service called Disney plus yet on Disney plus. They have a series called the imagineering story. And I said go to this episode and this time stamp and go look at it and you're like I've already seen it all. I'm like yeah. Go look at this time stamp. Did you ever do that? I did I did. I JUST WANNA put plug out there. Anyone who has Disney plus go and watch the imagineering story. I don't care if you don't like documentaries. If you like Disney you will enjoy this dish. Oh yeah so by the way if you like Disney plus our friends. Josh and Jason are doing a new podcast called the castle vault where they're going through. The Disney Vault is now available on Disney plus. And you guys go check out their podcast as well go ahead. I guess but yeah that you had me go back and watch and sure enough. They have a holiday. They created a holiday like really. Yeah they made this room. That has the lines going. Yeah and and it's they even reference it as like. They have like an acronym for a- and they're like some people say stand for this or it might stand for Disney Holiday a Disney holiday. Yeah and I'm like okay. You're not shying away from the you know what you built right definitely know what you built and you know where they got the idea from. It's absolutely yeah. So yes matt. If you had enough money Disney Money Disney. Hasn't Yep exactly I've actually. I've seen several articles out there where they say. The holiday is not far away now. Giving sniping able to. Tuck it. Yeah it's just and yes. You can't physically touch things like the Disney one is i. It's it's full room so they can do basically what you see in the holiday here. But it's all vr right and so you still need goggles. He's still need controllers to do things in there but it's a lot closer than they actually were in the eighties. Exactly we'll get there. We'll get there so but yeah so and I'll say this about the holiday. The holiday is one of those things you mentioned like the last time we saw Holiday Cup so it was the main plot and yet there are. There are several episodes throughout the course star Trek where the holiday is the plot. There are also times when the holiday is just sort of a b plot device that that is just there to move something else along in the plot and so it's used as both I mean you you are you in this one. I think that it is part of the plot. Because they're a kind of gets split because a plot is walks on and card right and then when they go off on different paths. It's like well which ape law now right so I mean you could say both of them or follow you know as Kardze plot. So how do the transporter room wharf is still admiring the fish people jamming out to good fleetwood Mac now? Wesley just doesn't get it and he nearly offends warf in the process. Walks on Inter's though sizing up Wesley as a potential mate. Now he's too young and warf while very interesting He's also not gonNA work. She's grown accustomed to human men. Aren't Mr Home. Let's keep hunting. And they're off to find Georgie. Who by the way wasn't actually in this episode? It's it's true but everybody knew who he was talking about. He never says a word. Say a word this entire episode but yeah like also does he have some kind of ability is he is. He obeyed his now. He is something else altogether and I don't know what it is but like He. He was kind of cool like she is. She was taking guidance from him. And like you he I guess for lack of a better word seemed to be sensing other males on the ship or he knows I guess but like it was kind of weird. It's like other than for comedic purposes. Which I think we're deciding. This entire episode was Why would they have come down to visit WARF N? And Wesley like right the they they would know better he. He should have known what she likes kind of thing. The only reason I can think she'd pop back into that room is if she's literally just going room to room to see who's in there and try to what man is available e but she leaves searching for someone specifically exactly. I I would have been okay with that if they hadn't said Oh no. Hey Look I'm doing the visor thing over my face. We're going to see Georgie. This guy you know so. It was very much like said. She was taking guidance from him. Which made me think that he had some extra knowledge extra ability to to sense who they should fine next just for comedy back on the Holodeck Picard is heading out of the Office for the evening and he invites Madeline to come along to REX's bar so she straps them up. They had out. He's going to need that gun. If they're going to rexes Dunton and things get interesting lose for card which is find funny because he spent like that whole thing of going. No no no more ambience less substance. I'm not trying to kill anybody. And then like she hands him this gun like you're going to need this if we're going to REX's and he gives her this look like that's what I'm talking about. Let's go like let's you know what I mean like. I just never got. I thought the initial look was more of. Are you serious I? I can't get away from these. But then when he like checks the Chamber and spins the Chamber and Mike. He's enjoying this young man all right Yeah I don't know act. Four and REX's Bar Picard is relying the positive side of America getting into World War. Two to madeline and rex but rex has something else he wants to talk about. Jimmy Kudo a guy. That Dixon Hill sent up the river as out. And he's looking for him and rex want some protection even if it means killing the Guy Holiday Program for card. Kill the guy on the bridge. It's time for the tedious to thaw out in. Sick Bay enter lock sauna who still on the hunt Picard. Isn't there Reicher has an even though? Deanna doesn't own him. She still more than a little put off by the fact that her mother is setting her sights on him. Reiger is off to give the message about the tedious but walks on. It has a message for him as well. She announces to the entire bridge. That they're are on the Western shores of PACIFICA. Her and William in a traditional Betas Ceremony will be bound in matrimony till death. Us do part. Okay I no no no you can't. It's an appropriate on so many levels. Yes I like. You can't just like at a minimum at least tell the guy that you're going to marry him before you tell everybody else you but like the fact that she's just choosing it's like no we're GONNA get married like okay like I mean even if it was this little moment like telepathically telling raker. Hey we're gonNA get married her. I chose you or something. But no like he's he's finding out at same time as everybody else rights and that I mean like said wrong on so many levels but so funny that it's also funny. Yeah it's it's I I love locks on I I really do. I know she annoys a whole lot of trekkies out there but she is. She's just one of my favorites because she's so in your face and over the top. What stuff you know. It's it's one of those things you really have to go into this episode or at least going. Go into this episode with the right frame of mind. I I don't know how you feel. Are you familiar with Monty Python? Sure absolutely all right so monty. Python's gets in general but specifically where I was introduced to Monty Python and the holy grail chair and. That's something I feel that type of comedy in particular. I mean it doesn't help that it's British humor but I feel that to really enjoy that you have to be in the right from remind you have to be in the right company. Sure exactly. Yeah I was actually thinking about this for you while we're in the middle of recording this and so I think that's kind of what what can happen with this episode as well because when I was introduced to my founded the Holy Grail is with my two best friends in grade school and it was hilarious. I still remember that night. We have watched it so many times since we quoted all the time and I. I've just been in love with Monty Python since that night but at the same time I I've I know other people who who don't really care for money python and I it's. It's just a difference in kind of how they're introduced to it. In that first impression will stick with you for a while and and maybe you can get past if you watch an offer if you know someone who you watch what someone who does enjoy it. I don't know but I I think I can see that happening with this episode in particular too because you kind of Said I. It's it's not necessarily what we're used to a star Trek. It is a different type of episode. And you kind of warned me coming off our last episode with the Borg like it is vastly different from that. I tried to yeah and I mean not even so like you. I mean unless you gave me this monty python analogy which would have no knowledge of because. I've never talked to you about monty python before right like you wouldn't have known to do that you. I don't think you could have really got me in the frame of mind. Yeah now I know exactly what you're talking about because I've had that experience There's movie called. Catch me if you can with Leonardo di Caprio and Tom sheriffs I. I saw that movie by myself for whatever reason for the first time I saw. I was bored to tears like the movie. I've gone so long. So whatever the next time I went with a friend of mine or I saw a friend of mine who he had a little help being. Happy accent extra Which is not my thing. But it was his thing so cool whatever But he he cracked up the entire movie and because of him. I was able to then see the humor in the movie. And ever since then I've loved the movie and it just it really does and I was thinking about that earlier while you were probably. I don't know somewhere around when we were talking about two or three one. I wonder what this would be like if Matt and I watched it together. And just in just hooted through it 'cause I absolutely do think it would be a different experience. Sure sure so with that. Why don't we finish out this particular experience and We'll see how it goes for you. Act Five Luxonen is often make preparations for the wedding. Oh No I'm sorry. I got it back up because we got to talk about this traditional Betas at ceremony. This is not something you know about. But I'm GonNa tell you about yeah soon. I don't think they explain the hair because we learned about it in the first locks on a episode which the the the plotline for that first episode haven was Deanna was meeting this boy that she's been betrothed to since she was a little kid in an arranged marriage type situation But he was. I think he's an earthling and that's where we meet the parents. Okay right so the two key to are going to get married. And of course rikers all like put out. You know what I mean but like this is a girl who's been set up and so they're going off and There there was a big argument about whether or not it would be an earth wedding or a Betas at wedding and a Beta said wedding. Everyone's naked. Oh that's that's the Hubert that's the yes everyone's naked that you see and having that background like said they they pulled from a lot of this episode is significantly significantly better. I think if you have been watching the entire series that could be fair that that certainly could be fair but like his. See to to just catch those couple of pieces. Would you watch? Haven does not make that worth watching in a limited run. No no me just skipping over that episode. Yeah but I'm just saying it's interesting to know that that's how the writers are thinking that they are thinking they're not completely thinking. Even though this is still very episodic and not serialize yet they they are very much starting to to get that mindset. Hey we can draw from not only lay character traits like you met Klingons before. So this is how Klingon acts but like things lines that were specifically said in previous episodes They are kind of drawing on and and saying you know. Hey if you remember what we said. Last time we met than this is going to be extra funny. Yep that's that's that's definitely. I am a little sad that they didn't explain somewhere in the course of this episode. What traditional Betas Ed Her you know wedding would be like Because I think it would be. It'd be significantly more funny If they would have said that just prior knowledge yeah But like I said there's there's there's a lot of little things in this that really hearken back to that first episode even though the first episode was not a comedic episode. Lana was not this choose. She was much more. Emily Gilmore. If that makes sense to me I don't know that that makes anything. The U I understand that completely she was much more. Emily Gilmore than she was. I don't even know what this is walks on our anyway. Act Five locks on his off to make final preparations for the wedding and Reicher gets it from Deanna. He's a coward. I like Indiana. Get Jealous I gotta be honest. I really do like it again. I go back to you. You've got to remember that. For whatever you watch out there. There is always underpinning relationship between Diana and Reicher. Oh yeah they get the looks that they give each other conversations that they engage in in this episode alone Tell me a lot more than than what I have seen previously and I think a lot of that honestly matt is a part of so. We're getting towards the end of season two right. The riders have had enough time to sort of develop what this current iteration of the DNR. Reicher relationship is or isn't the actress have kind of figured it out a little bit versus you know what they did in the very first season even the beginning part of this season So you know we're we're you know I think it's it's just a byproduct of why by the way you should never cancel the show within the first two seasons for people who do shows like you've got to let it pass those first couple of seasons because it just takes time anyway. Data wants to head to the holiday with Reicher but he has to run and grab something. I back in REX's bar a Reicher and data who's all decked out show up there on the holiday tells picard that the tedious are waking up. But REX doesn't want them to go just yet. Jimmy coups hasn't arrived yet. A card makes the introductions. This is rex madeline. That's nails from Chicago and Carlos from South America. Why I appreciate that. He he just names. Reicher right off the bat. He gives him a name but then he pauses and waits and looks at data is like what's your name today because I mean you could tell like high knew right away when data ass can can. I have five minutes. I knew exactly what he was doing. 'cause I forgot when I watched this I was like going. I forget I had one hundred. I mean I think it's partly because I hate to bring it up again but elementary dear data at that we just recently as extra viewing that is still kind of fresh in my mind fresh in my mind and so yeah like data. I did this feeling like He. He he very much enjoys the holiday and he very much enjoys kind of taking on different roles because I think he uses them kind of as like learning experiences. Okay all right fair enough. Well now he's Carlos from South America a little Bartok and Reicher also tells picard that a certain woman with beauty and wealth thinks. She's going to marry me. Walks on it shows up on the deck all build up in a purple Loofah. That's what it looks like. It's locked Sada. Her is bigger and blacker than ever is confused by wreck by REX. He's so interesting. She can't Rita's thoughts at all. She doesn't have any she can't figure them out. But it's such a turn on for her so rikers out. Rex Zen back in Sick Bay. The tedious awake hungry. Pulaski calls down to Picard. It's showtime Katzen. Alright everyone outta holiday back by the way locks on. Rex isn't real. Having your go ahead. I part of me wanted this. To be the captain's plan all along. It was not. It was not the plan. It was not the cards plan. It was not the writers plan but I I sat there thinking like that would have been enchanted. He would have been so smart if he'd pulled that out exactly but I mean I kept thinking okay. Yeah maybe he. He knew that he they would track. Track him down no matter what. And so you know. He'd follower in and that's why he went to this location. This program and cool we got wrecks in here and yeah. It's it's it's a PR. I I was Kinda surprised that they grow to at least that she has no idea what holiday is also has no idea that these are real. Yeah well I actually had a note about that of of just remember that. I think what this shows is hollow deck technology within the twenty four. Th Century is still a new technology and it's not as widespread yet and I think this just sort of reminds us there. I think that's kind of why it always surprises me that they have multiple Hollywood. That's on their ship because even if it is a new technology it's like you're not going to build ten of them right away right. Yeah you can cost and time and and make sure they all work ensure get all the kinks worked out is GONNA say 'cause that's not true we're going to send out our best ship with ten experimental holiday excited Works what could possibly go wrong. Yeah Yeah are having arrived at the planet. Pacifica the tedium and locks on are all said to being down together on the way to the transporter room. Walks WANNA is embarrassed and perturbed? Jean-luc would allow her to carry on with a Hologram like that. She so perturbed in fact that when she comes face to face with indeed she could read their minds with no problem. Turns out the ingredients are not delegates but assassins with plans to blow up. The entire conference. Didn't should know that anyway. Guys worth taking them to the Brig. Well go ahead. No I heard show on. Why exactly what is going on here? I kind of had to double take again. 'cause I for some reason I had recently checked the the actual timing on this episode. I mean we the tedious deal with. It's like wait. There's thirty seconds left you. You didn't seriously what no no that can't be their only point of no I because his like once again. It's it's almost like a. The writers. Did one eighty in the middle of the episode. It's like okay. We're GONNA write ups about the tedious. Actually no I'm having more fun writing about this chick so we're going to keep storyline going here. Oh shoot. We forgot to write that. Out of the script We need to close storyline. The teens are still here. They're bad guys take like there was no fight like they like it was basically like she doesn't have can't control their minds. As far as I know We we get this year's Asan's GonNa blow everything up. Yep take me I mean. Let's say it was like the easiest interrogation ever? I mean they didn't put up a fight they didn't do anything didn't try to run away. I obviously didn't really have any word run but I kept thinking. They said like they had explosives built into their suits or whatever and they're just going to blow up the entire conference. I'm sitting there thinking you got caught. Why why are you blowing up the ship right? Yeah we're going to have conference you'll do right now. Yeah let's blow up something that's exactly my thought. Disarm them and I'm like they've got the arms on them right now to Goeke. I mean to do it like if you're going to do something do it right but there? There are quite honestly. I think the worst bad guys ever all right there. You go that that will have to remember that when we do the social media stuff for this. It's the worst bad guys ever. I like it. I like it all right. Well now that the out of the way matt walks on gets on the transporter pad she may not have found a mate but she saved the conference and the reputations picard thanks Mrs Troy as she beams out but not to let him have the last word she gives him. One final flirtatious admonition. John Luke. I know what you're thinking and that's the episode Matt Seen Credit. I honestly think that last one at that point. I don't think he's thinking anything I think. She's poking him a little bit and everybody else 'cause I mean obviously she. She can read his mind so she must be telling the truth right. Yeah Well Matt. That's that's that's that's law. Yeah that's that's that's I did pull this out like I said there really are no production notes that I could find out about this episode. There's I didn't find anything on the blue razor the DVD's I didn't find anything star. Trek companion compendium. I didn't find anything on Memory Alpha. Nothing on wikipedia. Nothing interviews that I could find. There's it's just mick. Fleetwood is onset. That's the only thing that we got. why reviewer thought you might appreciate this one reviewer said manhunt has got to be the most padded out pointless filler episode in the entire series. Run I I mean obviously I haven't seen all of them But even with what I've seen hi I'm confer kit which episode. It was now that one that we talked about that they had to. You know really stretch to fifty minutes. I you WanNa talk about padded. Yeah I didn't have geek though great website by the way. I don't know if you're familiar with it or read it. They said they said this particular episode a little bit earlier walks on troy. Episodes are famed for being off. But this one is genuinely funny as long as you appreciate the attempts to make it a screwball comedy rather than a traditional star trek episode carrying out. And that's and that's really yet so matt like I said I said at the beginning if I could get to the end of the episode and kind of make you want to go back and watch the episode again and just laugh at it rather than try to take it serious that I'll have considered this success do you. Do you have any desire to go? Watch this episode again. I don't think I'd do it alone but I kinda WanNa Watch with you now. Okay Fair enough. Well we'll we'll have to make sure we do that. We hit up that I Star Trek Convention or just their next time we were together. We should help turns out. We're not in the same spot hardly Anyway so with that. We've covered that but Matt ultimately. I have to ask the question. Do you understand. Why chose this episode for you now kind of kind of paranoid well like? I said I can't promise that we're never going to see any other walks. A Troy episode. But I'm not going to do one just for the sake of her story right like I I understand. I'm getting pretty used to. Yeah your your selection process here all right. So how about our next episode? That'd be good thing. All right I will tell you this. The next episode get to Matt is probably in my top three favorite episodes of next generation. Car It really is and I don't mean to oversell it this. This is my personal opinion. However this is like a this episode twenty-something of season two. We're going all the way to episode fifteen of season three outsource skipping quite a few and I know a lot of people were going. What so get out your pen Matt. Here's a here's a bunch of extra viewing episodes case. You got a bunch of time are you can tell me. What the real episode is I. Oh Yeah it's called yesterday's enterprise thanks. That's the episode. We'RE GONNA go to his yesterday's enterprise and I'm not gonNa tell you anything else about it. Yep that's terrific. I'm going to get off off with you here and I'm GonNa go watch that episode just because it's a good episode in fact the well we'll talk about that actually Viewing Yeah Extra. Viewing all right. Here's here's the extra viewing all right Season two episode called the emissary. It's actually the episode right after this one right after manhunt. That's an extra episode. Four of season three called. Who Watches the watchers? Which is it's a that's a cool. I'll give you a little preview of that one. It's the enterprise is on a planet where they're surveying a Proto Volkan type culture that has no idea about space travel and they they have what they call the prime directive. Which is they're not allowed to interact or influence any culture that doesn't have warp capable travel yet right and they get caught and one of them winds up seeing Captain Picard and they think Captain Picard is God so they turn up card into a god. It's IT'S A. It's a great show. It's a really good episode. It's a good episode of discussion of religion and the Prime Directive. We're going to ask me why we're not watching this episode. Because it's really good. I will tell people out there. We're not watching because we will have other episodes where we talked both about the prime directive and about religion. And so. That's what we're doing that. Yeah go ahead. Are you at all familiar with the series firefly somewhat? I have not watched yet okay. I've watched like one episode. And I. I need to go watch because it's only like what fourteen episodes total or something like thirteen years earlier when you were talking about people who need to learn to give shows at least two two years to figure things out Prime example share fly sure. But you're talking about here as you're going into describing this episode makes me think of an episode called Jamestown a firefly yes of firefly. It's an episode called Jamestown and I anybody who knows firefly knows exactly what I'm talking about is one of the best episodes out there. I mean I honestly I have a hard time saying. There's a bad episode in thirteen episode. Run I don't. I really don't know why I canceled at all like I. I think what they were able to put out was phenomenal so but still Jamestown. It's very kind of by connick episode within those thirteen episode. So well WHO KNOWS MATT? Maybe four extra viewing over and patriot. We can share is a little bit and that might be one of the ones we do. I don't know we'll talk about that offline. But now you've got me intrigued. I WANNA watch that one. So there's there's that there's an episode called the enemy and then there's an episode which follows that one right up called the factor a defector. I'm sorry those are both Romulo unbased episodes again. We're GONNA get to all that kind of stuff and there's an episode. I bet you're not gonNA know who this one is a bow or what it's about called Deja q which I really thought about getting into because that one actually spores a little bit about the q Continuum Shera but again. We're going to catch that on a future episode. So you know not worth it and then there's one more episode. I'm GonNa give you as extra thing I told you that. There's a list of them because they're good episodes. Matt these are. These are and this is the problem with this show. No no he's the. These are the good episode episode into your formula and by the way I'm not even talking about these are all the good episodes. There are other good. These are just ones that. Stand out to me. That say hey. These are ones that I struggled with by the way. That's basically like if I said. Who should we put this one in there? That's kind of how it went. There's there's an episode called a matter of perspective. You know I talk about. There's there's that that the matic show that like every sci fi show has to do this is one of those and basically. It's the Somebody out there died and somebody's accusing one of our crew of having to do it and they have to go back in memories and stuff and figure it out. I personally like this episode. I don't know where it ranks on people's lists but I just I happen to like this episode anyway. Then we get upset to yesterday's enterprise and I'll tell you actually do several episodes of season three just in the back half a season three and I'm really really looking forward to our discussion simply because of the subject matter of yesterday's enterprise And I'll detail out some of those reasons next week one note or actually two notes real quick. You should know before we go into season three K. We have a casting change L. Boy. This is not. This is not like going into season to where we're going to devote an episode two. Here's all the changes Okay here's the deal. Dr Pulaski as time has done on the enterprise semi Dr crushers back and doctor crusher has left her post as head of starfleet medical and she is now back aboard. The pressure is back on the enterprise. Selassie was just there for season two for season two. And actually if you notice in in credits. She's only ever listed as special appearance by Diana older. He's never listed in the main credits because and we can talk about. Why later but So she she really liked. This was always kind of a temporary thing even for her as an actress. You know like like it. Whatever just to get a full season on any show is quite a feat though. Sure sure but it ultimately. I think what happened on a on a fan level as fans didn't really like Dr Polaski. It she just didn't connect with Dr Pulaski and they really liked doctor crusher and they like doctor crusher and what she brought to the table especially the way she bounced off. Picard cause remember doctor. Doctor Pulaski was brought in to be that bones. Two cards into kind of bounce off of that quite a bit. And they didn't like it. They like the chemistry that that Gates McFadden who plays doctor crusher had so so she is back other vessel. Another costume changes a uniform. Change play the crew gets the the main crew gets an updated look to their uniform cat. Okay and it's good okay. Next question for I know it's it's really good okay And I won't say it's the last update they do. Tweak it a very smidge here and there usually with just seem lines and stuff like that but this is kind of the like if you go. 'cause play next generation uniforms This is the new. This is the uniform people will cost play okay and if they if they're playing the other when it's like Oh that's the season one costume thank you know so. There is a little a little things I'll I'll I'll throw out to us. Just take a look at beard. Yeah but I will tell you on a Like one of the things. Zippers now on the back for the main cast but it's it's one of those things like inner production world like the main cast the important characters get the new uniform that extra over there that we just have to put in a uniform logo was other ones off the rack and put him in that one should still counts. Why and they're not going to waste anything so you'll still see both onscreen so don't let that bug you. I think it's really just A. He's not an important character so throw him in that old one but anyway so so you have that So that's Dr Polaski. She is gone so long. I actually really enjoy doctor. Pulaski I was. She kind of really kind of wish. You could've stayed and we could have maybe had doctor crusher at the same time like as I would like to see more doctor. Pulaski could've gone But I particularly like you're so all of that said Matt yesterday's enterprise we're skipping time You guys can email me and let me know if you think I'm dumb and who knows I might come back in and add something that in. It's been done before but for right now. That's where we're going to yesterday's enterprise again jarring step. Okay okay. This is another during stepping back. Mean Yeah I think anything off in this one would be Let's start wrapping up this episode. Watch the folks out there where they can find you on the Internet. You can always find me personally over on twitter at as a matter of math. And if you WANNA get in touch with me you can find me at Brent Allen live across all the social medias and if want to contact the show for whatever reason head over to our website beam me up. Pod Dot Com. That'll give you all the information you need to get in touch with us over there or guys. That's going to do it for this week. So until next. Time live long and prosper.

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258 Chris from Podfest!

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258 Chris from Podfest!

"Hi This is Jessica Kupperman. Thank you for joining us. When she podcast today I am here instead of with Elsie Escobar. My business partner and my good friend and my event planning partner and mentor of Chris. Permits does how're you Chris? Doing good just excellent super happy. You're happy always we have the new New Pop up producer. John Jim Ingo pop-up Jim. Ingo today. Congratulations thank you. My daughter told us last night that she's expecting congrats. Sean thank you so excited for you. Yes grandparents sits the all the fun? None of the work that is so true. You know I just wanted to say to those of you. Who are listening like yes. It's true my co-host or two men today but even though this is the podcast that is supposed to be podcasting for a woman's point of view. Sometimes a woman's point of view means working with men. So we're not going to disparage that. In fact Chris Quiz has been probably except for my husband. The most supportive male. Well John. Actually you've been. I can't even say that. Because Johnson editing our show and being a good friend for years and years and years but Chris and I have been friends for years and years as well and he's the one that sort of believed in me when I didn't know whether or not it could do an event and pushed me over the edge. And now he and. I are helping now. I'm helping him with Pon Fest. Which is next week so before I get into talking with him. I just want to let you guys know if you are in the super squad Saturday. Three seven we are having a lunch. Podcast so be on the lookout for that. Elsie and I are going to host a lunch for the Super Squad If you're not in the super squad yet you can join for five dollars a month igt. Is She podcast dot com forward slash patriots? Join the five dollar level and you will be at the super spy which gives you A. What's the word exclusive thank you exclusive access to Elsie and we do a weekly culinary? Answer all your questions. Okeydoke back to you Chris so I wanted to have croissant today just because elsie is traveling but also because when I have to pick a co host and I started thinking about like who i WanNa have on like. I'm usually so deep in to the thing that I'm working on that I can't pull myself out it enough to talk about something else and it's not necessarily that. I'm obsessed with maybe a little obsessed with the thing that I'm doing but also it's that you know I want to expose what I'm doing with the help of another person to the audience. So that's why I'm having Chris on today. I WanNa talk about pod fast and a little bit of the history behind it and why you think well first. Let's talk about like you're a little bit of your background because I know it but I don't know if everyone else knows like how long you've been into events and how you got into it so I wouldn't call myself an event planner But more of someone that loves to facilitate really great people coming together Having a community come together and then we do that from events but we also continue it online so I think it started by growing up in a big fat Greek family and everybody yelling at each other but there's a lot of love their dinner table so my background. Though is I've done over two thousand events literally. There was five years in my life where our member after five years. I went home one day because it was like one of those holidays. You don't know about and it was. I had an event so the event got cancelled or whatever and I got home at five o'clock and I remember seeing all these people walking outside their house and I thought there was something wrong with them. I'm like the heck who walks outside their house in broad daylight. I didn't realize for five years. I haven't been home before nine PM at an event. That's how you get to two thousand events literally you don't go but I was also single. I was having a great time and it was what I did like. I didn't have kids or anything so I spent my time literally. I would you name it. We did it the only event. I didn't do event because I'm not a Golfer but cruisers fishing tournaments sending someone to the world series of poker business stuff. Absolutely like that's like normal. You know meet ups and stuff and we had Christmas in July with a taste of Tequila. That was a fun one so this was all three. You being Having the group Timothy Business Owners Right. Yeah it was a group of business owners and we would do hundreds of a year to facilitate that community and one of the events six years ago like people don't realize this but we started with thirteen people at a meet up in at a Mimi's cafe and that was August. I don't know the exact but it was like August. Twenty thirteen and Steve Cherubino. Who at the time had pod nuts and nuts at night that was his? Podcast spoke at our local group and he when he was done. I said to him think about this. I promoted all month. Thirteen people in this Mimi's cafe and I said to him how many people will see a podcast about his podcast was about android APPS. He goes about four thousand goes at yearly monthly. He goes no every week. I go like I go. You mean you mean you go home and you're sitting in your underwear and you got four thousand people listening. He goes well. I'm not in my underwear I go. I know what you're saying. But do you metaphorically understand what I'm saying? He goes yeah he goes and I was like stunned. I lost like I looked at them like clueless and he said to me he goes. I know I know I'm trying to get my numbers up. Go No dude this whole month getting thirteen people in a in a Mimi's cafe you go home in your underwear got four thousand people. Listen to what apps you nuts. There's something there and anyways I went home. Funny Mean Tow Katie. I'm starting a podcast. This is this ties you in just because Katie and I had our first podcast fighter. Who WOULD START A PODCAST? I and and she am. I involved in this exactly because you had lady business radio and I said to her. Let's do some research and see if there's any women doing shows for women you're the only one in the business realm right. I'm pretty sure you're the only one that was active. I certainly not and I said this can't be right. I go. There's something wrong with itunes. They're just can't be one person in the country at three hundred million supporting women. This is just not even possible and it was a lot of people stop but you were the only one actively doing it and I said reach out to Jessica and my wife. She's like at the time you don't really. I don't know if she'll get back to me. She's really big. She Has Lady Business Radio. I remember this now isn't it. I mean you don't know when you're starting out like she's so big it. Meanwhile she didn't notion and everybody's support you guys. Listen she podcasts. Amazing Group you guys all support each other in your journeys so she reached out to you and that's when Katie started Biz Women Rock and then Natalie Act. All started his chicks within like a month all of a sudden there was three business for women. Podcast I figured I'll just take the support role because I love everything all things so I didn't know what to talk about and as a marketer I knew like you have to have a niche like I don't want to be talking about whatever and I was her support for marketing manager like the Pied Piper. I'd go around town and talk about podcasting. And we did two workshops in two thousand fourteen and I said to Katie. We really should organize this. We did we create podcast in two thousand fifteen in between all this podcast movement launched. So we were like. Let's go out and support our community. We love this. And then pod fast when from one hundred people in Twenty fifteen you showed up in the two thousand sixteen one. We had one hundred and eighty-one we crowd funded. The messengers the official documentary about podcasting. Twenty seventeen twenty sixteen. You hit me up because you would tell everybody. I love coming to Tampa. But why is this hotel next to a strip club and I realized that was a branding issue right there? I mean it was an well. It was honestly thinking back to it now. It was not as bad as I made it out to be but I just found it. Hilarious comedian you found a hook and you kept digging but people learning so no. It didn't hurt my feelings. Here's what I didn't understand. Here's the right answer. What in Tampa is not next to a strip club like that. That's the but I didn't come up with that in the beginning now. I thought about it like everything's next district club there's no zoning in Tampa and also the Strip club was outside like the inside was very nice and cozy actually was really cold that year in Tampa like it was like I was totally unprepared as far as what I packed but it was actually great. I mean it was so great that I called Elsie from the first day and I was like. I don't care what you're doing next year. You have got to come to this. You have to well. And Dave Jackson was there so I remember that a lot of people were saying that and that was great and then we moved it to Orlando for a lot of different reasons but one was Neil Galante one of our attendees like hey man you got to move this Orlando Evil. International is a conference a lot of people from all over. And it's a family friendly city and I said to me I said Neil. I don't have a quarter million dollars to guarantee to go to a Convention Center Hotel and he said well my sister runs. She's the service manager ten or twenty years at this place. She opened it go to her. Was it the. Wyndham or was it. That was carried. That was a career so I went there such a shame. That wasn't big enough for the next. I know gorgeous at that was a gorgeous hotel and the sales lady started negotiating with herself which. I've never had that happen before. Or since so she goes. What about we do this for ten thousand food beverage and we give you all this stuff and whatever two hundred hotel nights okay? And every time I would think what about thirty. Five hundred dollars food and beverages. She kept going down which I've never had before I said as every time about to answer she kept going down so then it's to the point where I feel bad for her which I've never I will since then that has never happened and I signed the contract and I went home and I said to what the heck did your sister say to the Sales Lady. She kept negotiating against yourself. She goes well. My sister services all the sales people's events and she said to the Sales Lady. If that kid doesn't come away with the deal that he tells me he's excited about I will never service another one of your vents. Moving forward to kneel. Why would your sister say that? He said well when I moved to Tampa. You helped me start my business and they're very proud. Venezuelan family said my sister says our family owes you on so this is saying. Thank you for helping us. I was like it's a lot of pop festivals like that like those stories run throughout the whole conference so long story Short House. We're six years in last year. We had nine hundred seventy five people as you know. 'C Jessica your help them me this year. We're over almost double double. We'll be around eighteen hundred by the time we're done but what an amazing blessing so now it's it's I think this is the year I always tell. People is always been in underground best kept secret amongst podcasters. They refer their friends. They bring everybody in. This is the year I would say. We're officially wearing our big boy pants where people are going to start. Seeing us very differently as a conference half attendees are women. Have for men. So we're always well-balanced there and I think that's because from the very beginning whether it was Katie are you. We had a very strong female presence at podcast from the start and it wasn't done intentionally just I surround myself with a lot of powerful women. So yeah it's hard not to have a strong women's presence when you're married to Katie Credit Suisse because she is a strong women's presents although yourself. I love that about podcasts. And you know we we. We're very unique in that. Our conference closes out with gratitude. Ceremony the closing keynote is the audience itself. We put to Mike's up there. We'll have the largest influence or meet and greet which is a facilitator meet and greet amongst probably twelve. To fourteen. Hundred people will be there Friday night. So it's so and so forth. It's an amazing experience. I will say this podcast wouldn't be where it is this year for wasn't for your help so I really appreciate that I didn't know. Hopefully you know I mean it. I didn't know helping you with she. Podcast the greatest gift. I would get out of that as you helping me where I'm deficient. Which is systems and all the back end stuff I really genuine processes in General Jessica techique which I had no clue to what level? But you're really. She knows tools like nobody's business. So thank you for the help. John knows he's been calling me back girl of the digital world for years. I've met people. I know tools but not like Jessica. She finds out tools before they're like they're even available or something. Funny Thing About Jessica's she can organize everybody else herself not so much. Well I'm pretty well in some way. Well that's why you need some support just like we all need support. Sometimes we can't see our own blind spots now. I've seen mine just you know I can only do what I'm like. I can't walk into you can only do so. Yeah I can only do one thing at a time. And if it's not the podcast people just have to pick up the slack which is not this show but also this show so yeah. That's fine so you've implemented some really interesting stuff in pod over the years. Well first of all the for you. The first conference I saw that had a VIP room. And I think as soon as other conferences heard about the they've started implementing it and that's because it was the first conference I went to where if you were speaker rather than have to hang out in the hallways. I mean not that this is going to sound a little bit elitist but once you've gotten to a certain point in podcasting it can be exhausting to constantly socialize with people who are not as far along as you because then you spend your entire social time answering questions which is not. It's fine when you're teaching and it's fine when you're you know meant to be answering questions like we do on the show but after you've just spoken you need to wind down for a second and it was very nice to go into a room. Where there was just Steve Jackson. Or just Daryl Dr now or just you know Katie where it's nice to be able to talk with your peers as far as how everyone is so. You're the first person to implement that I really appreciated it. And it was one of the biggest reasons why I wanted to come back was just because I was able to easily socialize with people who were in the same places. Me podcasting wise. I always love that. So what inspired you to have that at the conference and other conferences? 'cause I never had of course it at other conferences but we we. We have a masseuse that we have now. Misuse cheesecake. Yeah Yeah Liens cheesecake They put them in Mason Jars. Could Friends of ours giving out samples so it just makes it for a nice experience for people wanted upgraded thing and then we actually have a higher level ticket for people want lunch and stuff and listen. It just creates what I didn't realize is our conferences so intense because people wanna meet each other. I had a friend yesterday. Gabe went on the WHO'VE APP he goes holy crap. You have over five thousand comments in this APP. He goes how impossible I know. It's Amazing John. You we have someone that's coming for the first time at podcast doing zoom calls in our group. At first I thought it was like what are they doing right? Like just like you're thinking like. Why are they doing that? And they're actually having in Greece for the introverts to get to know each other on zoom before they show up at the conference. I've never had that before with the culture hits the attendee before they show up. Yeah that's crazy so it's exciting but VIP is definitely on the Masseuse CA. Kenya's been with us from the beginning and what's interesting is her. Business has grown now so now she has someone else and we bring to masseuses. You could get a massage and the networking amazing. The inner circle pass this year. We're actually given those people behind the scenes tour of Disneyworld so they could see how Disney operates behind the Epcot and then they come back for lunch pretty cool. It is awesome. I wanted to ask you another question so from helping she pocket. This is not an attempt to pat my back. So don't think of this as a compliment fish. But you've been doing your show for about five years and I know that when you and I started working on she podcasts. I was a little bit stubborn about doing things in a very specific and different way than other conferences. And I'm just curious how if at all you think that's affected the way that you do your conference like. Is there anything that you took from our community that you apply deposits for this year? Yeah actually you did a couple of things that I would never have tried so it's always good to help other people and see how they think you did the introvert extrovert social. And I didn't think I was like all right. We'll see where it goes but people loved it. Even though the music blasting even outside the doors. They're still an area for introverts but I think you identified individuals and they could identify and they felt hurt. So I love that you're buttons. Were really great because could identify. You know certain things that they thought pronouns. Which will be doing. You just did a great job of making sure people were heard and then she. Podcast is the only other countries I've been to. The has a similar feel as a conference. That podcast does the speaker. There's no delineation between ten to your speaker. Meaning they're all treated equally a special. I love that so that was cool and then we did a dessert bar which I thought was really cool and that was because we had a certain budget. We're trying to get created. The desert are went over even better than if we were to serve food. Which would cost ten times more money so I love the desert. I thought that was really cool. And lipson provided the was it the Halos the the Neon Halos. Yes flowered crowns. That blinked. John. Our Av crew was inspired by podcast. To the point where they were putting in You remember those light up sticks for the Karaoke night. They were doing stuff just because they had in their truck charging extra which I've never seen before so it's really cool to see like the culture impact your your visual crew who just sees events all the time. Having a good time I listen. You had me eaten cheesecake cake and getting a massage. So desserts are good. Yeah prothesis pretty fun. So what do you think is the main thing that differentiates you from she podcasts and podcasts movement and all the other ones like audio whatever there's like third coast festival and well? I wouldn't say we differentiate she guest differentiates for obvious reason. Women power you diff- obviously but like culturally. I would say we're very similar to she. Podcast I would say that. As far as differentiating the influence remain. Greet what we do on Friday night. We're the only conference. I know that connects a whole room in real time in round table format where you wind up meeting thirty five people you would never meet before We also have a lot of niche content. So on Friday we have military Creator Con Women in podcasting business podcasting audio drama con for the storytellers. We have podcast editor Kahn. Which is for the editors? That's put on by Steve Stewart and mark Deal linked up for women for Lincoln. So we have a lot of niche conferences on Friday and then Friday night we all get together and then Saturday Sunday. We're all together for the rest of the conference. So just say we have a lot of unique verticals you could visit and take a lot in and then our trade show. We've gamified our trade show. I would say better than any trade. I've seen not just in our space. In general we're giving away a sub zero flight as the Grand Prize for our trade show. That's a five thousand five hundred sending someone up to space back. They go up to the horizon the plane and then it dips and you actually experience what it's like to be in a zero gravity environment that that's that's our grand prize winner. Most people will give away like a Mac book pro which is easy but we're we always want to think like what's something everybody would like for the most part. Everybody would enjoy winning if you don't WanNa win that. We have two hundred other prizes from beat headsets. Everything else. So you're pretty much. If you visit our exhibitors will reward you fifty percent time. One out of two people will win something and because you have to be present usually everybody. That's there Sunday. Three PM win something. That's pretty exciting. That zero gravity is going to be so cool. Someone that gives away prizes. Moi's like man. I'd like to be on my own prizes half the time but you can't. It's true but you guys giveaway prices and I actually love the way that you do the The treasure map and the Exhibitor Hall Because It Really Make sure that both your ten dis and your sponsors get out of it what they need to get out of like. If they're there to discover tools they haven't seen before the attendees and the exhibitors get to meet people. They would not have met if the person was busy. Not Trying to treasure map so well and this year we're starting at ten. Am for a couple reasons. We want the exhibitors breakfast and be like well rested. Because we know they're going to get bombed they're not gonna be able to handle the traffic at this is that we're at this year and the way we the challenge we have in John. You'll appreciate Jessica you know this already. We gave five the exhibit hall so much that we try and keep people in the educational tracks too so it's a fine balance because people are just excited to go visit the exhibitors. So I'm in the education's top notch as well one of the things I love about podcast. Movement was the the vendors getting to see all the stuff all the toys Christmas podcasters. I liked the idea and I liked the idea keeping everybody in the same area. When when you come out of a beach then you can go right session. Thank you if when you come out of session. You're right there and you can. It's actually like a big giant podcast reunion year. This is the sixth year. You've I've known people that have been there six years. Yeah I mean it has been really special special special event so we're almost there. It's next week. Is there anything that you're the most? What are you the most excited about Chris? And what are you the most nervous about this is gonNA sound like a true person getting ready for their event. I'm most excited for the name badges today and everything that we need ordered such a parts send. My brain can relax. Just be excited about everything else. I mean we also have a youtube track. We have fast so excited for what's going to be happening in that track. I'm excited for show. Hamilton actually proposed this panel that I love and it's three podcasters are in the same niche. My wife who has women's meditation Shell Hamilton. Who has meditation Minis Andrew Akron? Who has sleep with me? All of them have meditation podcast. And it's a monetization panel showing you how three people in the same space could monetize differently. Even though they're in the same exact space so that's a really creative panel then we have dynamic duos that we matched up. We take the best of the best every year and we ask them. Hey would you like to match up and be like a dynamic duo and create something new and fresh so? There's a lot of a lot of unique things. I'm looking forward to your interview with the Highly Fray from yeah interviewing the women from stuff you should know a bunch of them actually not just not just stuff. You're on the main stage history chicks and stuff. Yeah I'm interviewing A lot of the IHEART women on the main stage and I'm really excited about it. Super excited about influence or meet and greets probably one of my most favorite things. And then we're doing the marketplace this year where business people that are just people that. WanNa hire out. Services could actually literally higher on editors on the on the spot. So I know that's going to be a cluster in different ways if you know what I mean but I also know. We'll learn from that experience in IRA- now for next year. So people could literally transact business in real time so we're going to take our editors audio editors video editors as well as our voice over people and we're GonNa give them an opportunity to meet people that are looking to hire services and intentionally match them up and what we're calling the marketplace and that's a ninety minute session. I'm excited about that. I'm nervous but I'm really excited about that. Because I get asked all the time like who should I hire an John you know? That's that's a personal question. There's personalities some people like doing certain kinds of podcast and the editors really collaborative about referring back and forth. But let's get it while attack. People are at pod look into higher. Let them interview people in real time and create those relationships there. Yeah one of the things I like about working with you. The most is is that exact attitude that you're like. Well you live you. I mean and that's true that you wrote the book start ugly so like I should already expect that. You're you know that you know that it's going to be ugly on some level but it really does come through in the way. You're just like yeah. It's going to be a cluster. Fuck should be great like like. I have the confidence to know that my events going to be great by the people attending it but for me internally. I'm going to look at the areas that what could we have fixed? What could we have done better? But if I'm not constantly starting ugly in some area then what's the challenge? You just doing the same thing over and over again with nothing being. Reinvented nothing new. So it's exciting for me. That will have something that we're going to learn from and we say okay. Great we we had too many audio editors in there. We should have staggered at times but at the same time they know that I care enough to create that environment for them to get business. So it's a win win for everybody. It's just you got to figure it out and I always tell people. Listen to the feedback of your audience like our gratitude ceremony. Started organically in your too because we didn't want to leave. It was like we bonded. I had one guy that was like a truck driver that was in tears. I don't WanNA leave. I feel like I'm leaving. My family put a mic in front of the stage. And I said if anyone has anything that they're grateful for come on up and half. The group went up there and that started our closing keynote that gratitude ceremony our community is bigger than any one speaker. So I actually don't like when people are. Who's your big speaker? No such thing ipod vest. They're all big everybody's big everybody is equally as important the attendees have sometimes John. You know this look at John John Not only does John. No comedy like. He's great with one liners and he knows comedy. He's an editor who knows what I can learn from John. You know you never know who you're gonNA bounce into so it's not such as speakers. That community has a lot of value. I think people miss that a lot with events so let's get to celebrity is a celebrity going to hang out with. Everybody know they're probably going to get do a photo op and then leave. I'd rather have people I want to create value trade value and stay with each other and hang out creates a whole different experience. Totally just realized the last. I didn't just realized that I just wanted to ask you about the last two years you've done a roast and this year you don't have one. Tell John Actually has been very at least through me. He's been very active in writing jokes for those rows. Because I mean he's like my joke writing partner mostly so we did Dave Jackson and then we generally do this and then I guess we tapped out right. You was it. You couldn't find anyone to roast or you just want to take a break. I think we're going to do it. Just like comedy central and they do it. We gotta find the right characters at the right time. And every couple years we'll do a roast when the stars align you the more I think about it Jessica you would be a great person to roast and maybe a year or so. Maybe we'll see. I don't think she can handle it. If you could take the hits but it was. It was really fun. I think they've Jackson was my favorite because it was it was just so much love in the room for him and he laughed his ass off. He understood what we're doing. So you know when I think those are special opportunities. We'll find the right people and like John said you also got to find someone that could handle it because you are going after all. They're vulnerable spots. And it's a roast. You gotta be able to laugh. I would love to be roasted by wait a year or two years little Aaron easy target. I'm an easy target. There's a lot of people that are but it's also people that are huge audio influencers which I'm not a big audience lunch. So we'll find the right. People generally do miss was a great target. Really good sense of humor about herself. Elsie yes she does okay she really does. I wrote on a daily basis. You know the Rob Watson. Todd Cochran would be great like the twins together you know that would be an you like Jon said you also have to have someone willing to take the hats. And that's that's half the battle of. I put two on now to find someone that wants to be. Roasted is hard. It's not easy since they know what's coming out too many ways. Let me close out with a question Because I know you only have a few minutes left with us so the question is tell us about the worst event. You've planned what happened. Well just down in. History is like the biggest cluster. Fuck that ever happened or like close show or I have a lot. That's what I'm I'm not like. I'm not trying to find one. I've done so many events. The first ever event was at an American Legion. I was doing live. Tv show. So I had no idea about events so Mr was a fan of one of my shows. He said Hey. Why don't you do it at the legion? Pay Me Three hundred bucks and you can have it okay. Great prices right three hundred bucks. I invite one hundred people. Tell them to where business professional in June Florida. Air Conditioners broken. We go in there legionnaires the night before smoke cigars so it smells it. Smells terrible and now I got these business people arriving and there's nothing I can do about it and it's literally. It's like a hot Florida Summer Day. Not even like a forgiving one. It's it's the ones that just punish you and that's probably a that's how I launched my community back then. I thought I failed miserably. With twenty people saw through. They like me. They saw bright eyed bushy tailed. They're like let's give them a shot now. The craziest speaker thing I've ever had to I had one whereas working with someone else and they forgot to put the speakers profile up on the website and I kept asking kept asking but I didn't have control of the web speaker literally. Run Up to me in the back of the room are running a show come face to face like Umpire Manager Baseball yelling at me. Nose to nose had to take them outside fall on the sword. Like what are you gonNa tell my teams all fucked up right now? I'm so sorry I didn't I took you have to take responsibility. Which at the end of the day it is my responsibility but it's very uncomfortable and I just want people to preface. I've done two thousand events of this happens like every couple of hundred events is always something and then the last one was we did one with the crews and and there was this one guy. He had just done some motivational stuff about. I don't know about self awareness and he decided not to give as marketing talk that we had booked him for. He decided to challenge. Everybody's thinking on how we judge things and he started off by telling us that he's a swinger and him and his wife sleep with other people that was not the hardcore part. Okay that was just the prelude it gets worse. I really really bad. He was also Spanish. You the thick Spanish accent so the language it sounded. I don't know why but it sounded seedier with with the accent the way he was saying because he was saying it so strongly and then he said two guys that they gotta grab their balls and reclaim their it was really bad and then he said other things he meant. I will tell you this. He meant well. The ladies on the cruise took him said. Hey but here. Here's John. Here's where the F- funny so then he goes. I'M GOING TO GO BACK. To my marketing. Talk and I'm like thank after he goes on this ten minute tirade. We could his time down from thirty minutes to fifteen now. I have a protocol. You just pull the plug and you yank them up. I've never had this happened before. And we're on a cruise by the way like out in the middle of the guy. Well then he goes. I'm going to give you guys the best marketing tip. You'll never hear anywhere else. I'm like all right. Great thank God. He's going back to marketing. He goes advertise on porn hub. Because you could get really cheap clicks. He goes and he goes. I don't even want to say what he says is so bad. I turn red. It was the only time as a promoter. I had an instance sweat from my head down to my toes. My socks literally sealed onto my feet. We pulled the plug fifteen minutes in but what was interesting because it was such an extreme presentation it bonded us all on the cruise and the next. We weren't Cosimo next next the last day at sea every powerpoint referenced him and had a joke so it was amazing that we can make light of it. There was only one guy that was like I don't want to be associated with you or any came up to me. I don't know what I got. I didn't know that was going to happen. I hope you understand. Everybody else understood that that was not what we plan for but he was like. I don't want my name associated with you all right whatever. Do you could disassociate. I don't care I didn't intentionally bring this guy on to talk about being a swing and all that other stuff anyways anyway. Yeah you gotTA call. 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Keeping It All The Way 100 With Social Scientist Dr. Sam Han, PhD

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Keeping It All The Way 100 With Social Scientist Dr. Sam Han, PhD

"In town young. Welcome to another episode of six ninety nine per pound podcast where we usually talk about careers but we have shifted our focus to the very impact of Koba. Nineteen on Asians. I'd only in this country but in the entire diaspora die. Yes Gora that I said I read Jo-jo you could fix me later in post I did. I co- perfect perfect so all we are going to bring you. Perspectives of Asians and asian-americans in different professions. And places to give you a personal look at how does virus became more than a symptom of the body. But it's everywhere man you know like you know rest in peace to prodigy of my deep but like you said you know there's a war going on outside no man is safe from you know what I'm saying so I hope everybody is staying home if you can. You know if you got a job in you got to take care of your financial duties you know. I'm not GonNa Fault you for that but yo if you assured he just WanNa go outside and smoke joints with your own these in the park where play five on five basketball. Go to fuck home. Beat the fuck. You don't want outside right now. Mentioned Israel man but with that said man thank you to all the fans and listeners out there continue to support us. Please subscribe to follow our future. Cove in nineteen related episode. Make sure you let your zoom call all about six ninety nine. I know you one of those company meetings men that dumb no about six ninety nine you know the truth and that said you could also cops Joanne myself and three dollar coffee now. Virtually social distant way on coffee dot com slash ninety nine per pound and you could also make a monthly donation be anchor Anchor Dot FM slash ninety nine per pound slash support Google. This should if you can't find that you are. Oh you know what I mean. So with that said Joe Joe. Do you want to introduce our very special guest today. Yeah we'd love to okay so this episode. We're talking to SAM Pon a Return Guest Demand Myth alleged fun back. You guys. He was on our podcast Away longtime ago but he's actually cited from our listeners Most often as being their favorite episode. This is not being paid to say this totally true. I'll be totally that survey everything so I'm so excited to happen back. Just refresh on who he is. He's a senior lecturer in anthropology and sociology department at the University of Western Australia in Perth. This is where he is that now but then he had a string of awesome gigs in the past. But you can get into We're international right here at nine nine per pound. Were braving. The twelve hour difference. Sam is still in Australia. We're still in New York. The war zone as Jackie. Call that But we really rushed into starting this reporting because so many gems were being dropped already anytime anyone talks to Sam. So let's just get into a welcome to the podcast. Yes thanks thanks for having me back up or man for schol out everything over there. How's everything over there in Australia? Right now you know relatively speaking Okay I mean it's pretty little bit. Yeah just see the past few month. Yeah for sure for sure but you know all things are sort of pointed towards New York right now in. My heart is with New York. Because I see so many things happening on the news and you know you feel a sense of powerlessness etc. So my thought is my thoughts are with you guys gear appreciate that man. I mean we we survive and you know we try to spend our days in the apartments and try to be fruitful as much as we can But I mean Austrailia just I know you're based over there and then you know our hope you're not travelling anywhere at the moment but you guys just kind of dealt with arguably one of the biggest national crisis or the continental crisis because Australia's a continent as well you know like Dad. Dad Dad. This whole chunk of land has ever experienced. You know what I mean like one of the biggest wildfires ever You know what what was it like when you were experiencing that you know what I mean. Yeah it's been. It's been a rough summer so it's still summer here technically because we're the opposite of the Northern Hemisphere right. So yeah we're we're coming off. The were coming off. Unprecedented Bushfire season which started way earlier than it usually does and it lasts for ages and then obviously global pandemic has hit as well again as I was just saying we're spared because were fairly isolated and we don't have the density as other places do but still. I mean there are massive sort of hot points when it comes to the pandemic here in Australia in particular New South Wales where Sydney is so. Yeah I mean it's just one thing after another one thing after another right now but yeah just like everywhere else in the world. I mean I think I just read the New York Times half. The world is on lockdown. So yeah we are also on a on a partial lockdown as well. Yeah and I think the last episode we did. We actually interviewed a student Grad student. Who talked about his experience of like transitioning everything into virtually. But you're a professor so you're kind of on the other side of that right complete. Have you guys gone completely online and everything? And how has that been for you? Yeah so maybe I can provide a little bit of context when answering that question. So the school. The academic year in Australia starts in February so we almost moore the school year the university school year that Korea and Japan have Where the academic year starts at the top of the year. You know what I'm saying so our semester first semester starts in February and why that's important is because by then we had already kind of been keeping tabs with what was happening in China. I'm not sure if people know this but Australia's number three export and it's called an export for reasons that kind of have to do with how economists have classified this but the number three export in the entire country is higher education so that means that the university sector generates a lot of revenue and a lot of that revenue comes off the backs of international students and the majority of international students in Australian Universities. Come from mainland China so because of Cova Nineteen. Australia had pretty early on imposed a travel restriction for inbound travelers from mainland China. So that meant that. The university's already hacked assorted do things in the in the in cases where students cannot leave mainland. China so we had to do stuff online so called the colleagues of mine had to kind of have stuff ready for students and mainland China. Who couldn't participate in person so that already been happening from the beginning of the school year? You know what I mean by the time it ramped up and it was obviously just getting way serious probably at the end of February. You know we were getting hints Hey we got all these tutorials about how to use your learning management system how to use zoom etc. But they weren't telling us we had to go to those workshops do like hey might be useful for you to do this and then finally when there were like hey. Y'All need to move everything online. We weren't prepared but but you know sort of Hints have been dropped early on so yeah within a matter of like I would say three days. We had to move everything online. Which in my case was okay. You know which in my case was okay because I had a little bit of an online element to my thing anyway. But you know you basically had to do a lot of work. It was wild so yeah I mean even if the students are you know. Is there the time differences if they're still in different regions or they're still you know not in the same distances you it must be such a big transition for all of them? Yeah so one of the things one of the concerns with with not just teaching but as grading like how do you great participation when you folks who aren't at the same time zone and maybe just as an example? I had quite a few students in my classes who were on exchange so who are on study abroad from Canada. I had like maybe five or six students from McGill University Montreal and they all got recalled by their home governments. So when that happens they have to bounce immediately once so sorry I have literally been travelling for thirty five hours and you know so we were basically like Whoa okay. That's wild first of all. I hope you're okay. And then now we need to figure out how to like grade participation when they need to be logged in twelve hours behind you know what I mean so like. I'll give you an example. I have a class that meets at four. Pm My time. That's four am Montreal time you know what I mean. So how can we? How can we how can they? How can we expect them to kind of show? So there's been a lot of discussions internally within the university about how do we just Kinda modify our grading schemes? We just kind of forget it like. There's a lot of things a lot of things to consider beyond the simple technical things of moving everything online. But you know the larger questions about what's fair and also you know we can't just act like everything is normal that we're like in the state of emergency so all these things are sort of up in the air but we're all sort of trying our best now this this. This almost feels like a new world order or something. You know what I'm saying so like yeah like it's Yo The whole concept of transitioning things into online has always been a new agenda. A new approach for every company every institution. But because of just what happened with this particular pandemic everything just kind of felt like a got expedited you nominee and You as a social scientists like you know I'm I'm a I'm already I'm already Already assuming data there's so many conversations that are happening on how this is going to change just societal behavior as a whole can you kind of share some of your thoughts about that. Yeah I mean it's hard to gauge right now because everything seems to be sort of like the horizon is like something like six months. And that's very strange. I think because I think most of US generally don't think of the future as simply six months right so for me. I don't know what the world is going to be like in six months. I don't even know because we don't know what the state of the state of the pandemics going to be like. We don't know what healthcare systems are going to be like. We don't know what university is going to be like so because of all that it's so hard to sort of figure out from my own life. What six months ahead is gonNA look like right but right? Now we're all sorts of people are talking about the new normal. I think we're not in a normal yet. You know what I mean. A new normal entails that we don't we don't comment on it. It's sort of ingrained but right now everything sort of awkward. Everyone sort of like. Oh yeah I gotta remember to make sure that when I go outside? I take these precautions etc. Everyone sort of trying to find their rhythm right now so I feel like you know. It's a little bit too early to to make prognostications about behavioral change and things like that but you can see hints of it. You know what I mean but again we're in a state of emergency right now so I I don't want to sort of say. Hey how people are acting right now is how people are going to be acting after. This is all over because I actually have no idea when that's going to be one thing. I was curious about was if you were minorities articles kinda come out about like different countries dealing with this pandemic differently. You know why one country might have a faster spread than others like. Does this. How the sociology? Come in in terms of that because I think maybe one thing I can think of is like In East Asian Societies. Like we would not necessarily shake hands or we might like bow to each other and like we kind of respect. Each Other's space universe may be other countries they may not and in Italy. Some people were saying because it's such a unit like everyone is a family So you know maybe bought more people are in the household like living alone is not as common like were certain things like kind of triggering in your head of just like Maybe if I could connect the dots this might be. Why and has it been interesting for you? And and before Sam answered out. I mean one of Mafia reason Sam. You could correct me if I'm wrong. Italians love to fuck in kiss whenever they say a mean. It's like A. It's a beautiful thing but if they got this virus that circulates in. I don't know like kissing on. She can really read right manner to go about things like I got love for all the Italians. You know like you know like shit like that's just my theory. Veto you know what I mean. Yeah but I mean there's so many things I mean Jacob can't I can't correct you because there's no way for me to know but I think just from a broader perspective. I think one of the things that we can't consider is not necessarily those kinds of factors because there's so many other factors that may override those factors. I'll give you an example when it comes to just pure density. That's a major issue so we can't just look at population. America's what over three hundred and fifty million people but as we know the hot spots are dense urban areas right and I think sometimes there's nothing it doesn't matter if people are shaking hands or bowing that may have something to do with it but on the other hand you know. There are major metropolitan areas in Asia. That are extremely dense. Have not had the problem. That New York has had as well right so there are many things but for me. I can't the only thing I could really. Judge is governmental response. You know what I mean right. Right Shaw response. Yeah exactly because quite honestly You know it's very difficult for me to say. Well I'll give you an example like Georgia just brought up. You know that family a lot of people living in the same space is an issue for a lot of Asia. You know what I mean right. Now I'm worried. I'm concerned about India. You know in terms of density you know what I mean so to me. It's about governmental response and also about how quickly people got out ahead of this thing and I think one of the things that sort of been circulating is that Asia was quicker to to kind of respond. That's that may or may not be true I think one of the things that people don't realize is many Asian nations have already had to go through Murs and SARS so there was a sort of preparation right that occurred prior to so when this happened you can sorta roll out a plan that already come into formation when people were dealing with SARS emerge you know what I mean and it also has to do with like. We're quickly finding out leadership right if you look at the way in which various countries leaders and heads of state have kind of responded to this. It's not simply how quickly or how slowly you do it. It's also about whether you're able to relate a sense of urgency without causing panic and whether people are able to sort of feel that the institution that you're steering is legitimate and that you know what you're doing these things are all sort of disparate across all these different nations so I think it's an important thing to consider its governmental response. I think there obviously certain preconditions obviously with the case of Italy. Italy's very kind of top heavy population in terms of age. And as we know with anything like this that affects the lungs. The elderly are far more susceptible but also they're going to have a tougher time recovering rant. So that's also a factor these off very complicated right now for sure. I mean I like to point out the fact that you mentioned leadership because unlike the president of the United States like that was just kinda like bypassing does is just not something as relevant because the news reports are now coming out that the first person who was reported to be infected the time mind of the first person I got infected was like South Korea and the. Us was the same time it all both happened in January but the way that the two countries reacted to this was completely different. And I'll give you another example. You know where Myrtle Boss Lady. The Dawn of Europe Aka Germany unanimity like. When she came through she just straight upset. Ijaw seventy five percents is going to get this shit you know saying like just like straight up down under the Germans. You know just being germs. They're like okay. Cool like we get it. You know saying we'll go about our business but there's a sense of I felt like yeah but at that kind of goes on to your other point that you said there's like Preconditions that exist in different societies. But I think you know since you lived in Singapore. You lived in New York City and now you live in Australia. All these countries have had major. I mean you know New York were you as obviously a western dominant western nations. But you like Australia. Singapore obviously has huge European Western influences. But they're completely different countries. I mean and you know just for you to be living there where you have lived there and you know look at New York from a fall like how. How would you compare and contrast the differences in terms of the governmental policy and the way that the citizens are reacting to it and maybe even like the healthcare a system that kind of Provides the photo for its citizens. Yeah now I think you know. I'll start with Australia because that's where I'm at right now. I live in Perth. Which is which is the capital of Western Australia Western Australia. The largest state in terms of land mass. It's basically a third of the country but most of the population is concentrated in and around Perth Metropolitan area. Which is around two and a half million people so obviously people know how big Australia is. But if a third of Australia has one city were two and a half million people live in it and that's the majority of the population the state. Obviously you have a difference in terms of density but beyond the physical attributes. I would say one of the most important things in terms of different differentiating responses to the virus here in Singapore and in the states you have universal healthcare in Singapore and in Australia. That's number one. And that just that just lays the fear and the concern that people have about catching virus. You know what I mean because if you get it then you know you're not going to go bankrupt. You see what I mean. And that I think automatically builds a certain level of say trust but a certain kind of luxury that I call it luxury. Because I'm still used to not having health insurance. You know what I'm saying. So it's it's it's a sense of okay like this can get bad but we're going to be taken care of in terms of our health and we're not going to give bankrupt as a result of getting sick. You know what I mean. We may bankrupt because our jobs are going to disappear because everyone has to stay at home. But that's a separate issue. You know what I mean. So what's what's occurred in Australia is. There's basically been like an like in the states. It's a federal assistance for their state governments. And then there's what's called the Commonwealth government which is the national government and they all meet basically to sort of craft a response to this. Some things are left to the states. But some things are federally mandated and one of the things that I think has been very interesting. Here is that there's basically been a series of rollouts of both economic rollouts to deal with the The lockdown 'cause there's major consequences to basically telling people to stay at home but there's also been rollouts in terms of testing and also in terms of contact tracing and making sure that the healthcare systems are prepared. And that's sort of been communicated very I would say clearly and why that's important is because I remember maybe even a month ago they started. What's maybe a month and a half ago? They started opening up what are called fever clinics around Perth so basically they basically designated to hospitals. Where if people came from abroad or they were in direct contact with someone who is known to have the virus they can go and get tested right and then gradually as this thing has spread. They've relaxed the restrictions on. Who can get tested right so just this week. They said if you have a fever and you're having trouble breathing you can walk into a clinic and get a test. You know what I mean. And the reason they did that was though so that early on there wasn't an over flooding of the system right. Yeah they gradually open it up so that you can actually do testing. I just read yesterday that there are some parts of the United States where they've received samples but there are seven thousand. That are waiting to get tested. Yeah that's ridiculous what I'm saying. Thousand percent at one thousand people. Yeah yeah no like. I just heard accounts from like friends of friends who are like doctors and they're working these shifts there like the people in the waiting areas in like the panic and the lack of resources. If you didn't have before you definitely have it now so much for less than ten people because these off they can't handle it at all. Yeah so I mean just to put the bow on Australia. That sort of gradual approach has also been mirrored in the rollout of kind of economic help. You know there's been a series of stimuli that the government has talked about now. They just talked about yesterday. There's basically going to be universal. Free Health Child Care for people for kids until June is basically a stop on vacations. There's now going to be a tendency. Sort of mediation program where commercial tenants are able to kind of workout with their landlords and rework their leases. So it's been a gradual approach again. That's because there hasn't been a huge spike in fact what's actually been sort of unusual. Is that in in Western Australian W. A. We we've we haven't had a. We had a spike like you see all the graphs right and then now it's been sort of coming down and that's sort of a very encouraging but then people are worried they're going to be a second spike So again the kind of social distancing measures have also been gradual right. So it's been sort of like okay. These businesses can stay open. Nope now these are closed. So they've been sort of gradually moving us away like for me personally. It was. Okay move everything online but then you can still come into work if you need and then more recently. They're like if you can stay at home. Don't come in. All the buildings are going to be locked unless you have card access. You know what I mean. So they've been sort of ramping it up gradually whereas obviously in a place like Singapore. They had cases very early on. They had a super spreading event. Hotel I believe in January right so they had to do contact tracing immediately. And they they they were able to sort of kind of stem kinda nip it at the bud. However they've they've just experienced kind of resurgence of cases probably because people have returned from abroad and Singapore is one of the most kind of like is a major thoroughfare right so anyone who's traveling to Asia more than likely you're flying through Singapore right so what they've basically now at to do is close schools so I believe by next Tuesday. Elementary schools high schools universities. They're all doing it from home. Right and basically eighty or ninety percent of the workforce working from home as well so they moved very quickly because they figured okay. We see a spike happening. We gotta do it quickly whereas in the states. Obviously it's more complicated. It's a much larger situation. I mean listen. The population of Australia's something like twenty something million upper twenties the population of Singapore's five plus million Americans. Three hundred and fifty million. You know what I'm saying so it's obviously difficult. We also have trump in office. All these things are sort of complicated and they make the responses sort of uneven but I think one of the again to me. The biggest issue is universal. Healthcare when you have to you know what I mean when people don't have to worry about that there's less panic. Nah I think I think the way you phrased it Elaine. The fear I think that's such a good way to put it. I mean I. I've been an advocate of Universal healthcare for a long time because I work in a top of field where I either have to pay for my own shit or I just have to like under report for me to get on Medicaid were signed. You know what I'm saying so like if you're somewhere in the middle class you're basically fucked in the ASS. You know what I mean with no protection like just straight raw dog into situation. You know what I mean like but I mean I like to but I but I'd like to ask this question because you know you're your your your esteemed professor who knows history well like so. Australia is a country. Made of British criminelles. You know what I mean. Kind of like how outcast build America you know what I mean. And they both speak English and they're both like bastardisation of the UK in a way right. So what is it about `Szralia that allows for a universal healthcare system? I mean even Canada Canada's is also like a bastard child of the UK when all these countries that are essentially former British colonies. Configure shut out and create universal healthcare. What is it about the American system that doesn't allow Shit happen and I know you could go into the indepth history about how Capitalistic Society Privatization Lobbyist all that? But if you could just kind of give a simple thought about that if you can you know please let us know what's up now. I think Jackie the last point you made is the right one. It's not it's not. What's unusual about Australia or Canada or the UK or any other kind of former members or the current members of the British Commonwealth? But I think what's wrong with America? There's a there's a phrase called American exceptionalism and the idea is that America's special and specialist opposed to mean superior. But I think we can think about American exceptionalism as exceptional as in completely inferior when it comes to a lot of things. Obviously there historical reasons and we can go into that. I think number one. The most kind of glaring thing to me is distrust. So one of the you know you mentioned Australia's history as being a penal colony now. You know Australia's actually quite diverse. Now if you look at the Demographics Joe. Joe Has Been Australia's so she it's not. It's not it's not what you would think. Obviously there's an urban rural divide but you can make that argument with America's well You know so the point I would raise is a is trusted institutions. I think one of the things that's unique about. America IS POLITICIANS RUN FOR OFFICE SAYING THAT? They're not politicians. Politicians want to gain elected office in Washington. Dc by saying that they're not from DC. The appeal of running for office in America is that you are not a politician. That is very unusual. Just globally speaking although actually. That's now changing with the rise of populism but for the most part most of the world wants people in office who they feel can do the job right and there isn't a baked in distrust of government. I think what's unique about American? Political history is that somehow American political history reveals a distrust in government government at all right so not just big government but people are afraid of government they think government is the enemy whereas I think in places like Australia and Canada. You can be critical of politicians. You know we have the same thing here. Politicians are you know spineless. You know they're stupid. Yada Yada Yada. But no one distrusts the institution. Yeah and no one thinks that the government's entire orientation is to victimize them and I'm not. I can't say that's the case for Canada but I'm pretty sure that that kind of unique distrust in government in the United States right is that route here because then it becomes very difficult to lead and it becomes very difficult to follow. Because if I'm if I think that the government is not exactly a my side why am I going to listen to them when they tell me to stay at home? Why why am I gonNA listen to them when they told me not to panic you know? They got under control. So I think that kind of institutional trust is the main difference here here. People again make fun of politicians all that stuff but there isn't kind of skepticism about the entire structure of the government. It's not there. People actually looked to the government for leadership and for help crazy. I think you know as Jackie mentioned before like you guys went through the bushfires which is crazy and I know people were critical of the way. The government handled that like the prime minister to Hawaii or something like Hawaii during this whole thing and then he had to rush back because he knew he was a PR nightmare. Yeah but even the missile that like I guess like. It's so hard for me to conceptualize it because most of my life have been spent in the US. So I can't imagine like what it would be like in other places and to have that You know distrust seem so normal to us. I guess Yeah Yeah and on top of that. Oh sorry go ahead finish your thought. Go ahead thinking not so I was like I was just about to add on. The distrust is Is just like is ingrained in the The founding amendments of this country right like the First Amendment says like. Y'All got freedom of speech. Yo you get to say whatever go Bob Wow but a second amendment says Yo just in case you could you could pack your own. He you know what I'm saying. Just in case shit goes down. You know who's doing to pop in and you know what I mean I. It's it's it's pretty crazy like I mean. Is there like what? What's The gun law? And then what kind of freedom. Australians have compared to the US if you like just so suggest so people contextualized because one other thing that I wanted. We wanted to ask as you know what's happening with the State of Asian America right now. You know what I'm saying and like you know the first time gun purchasers everywhere in the United States you know what I mean like a lot the old G K town dudes are packing heat again. You know because. They think she's about to go down like it was nineteen like was in the early nineties when the riots happened you know what I mean. So it's it's IT'S I. I'm curious to know. Is there like an anti aging cinnamon happened in Australia off? Is there a gun laws over there that allows people to pack heat? You know what? I'm saying like obviously a lot of rural areas in Australia's well you know like if you could just comment on that. That'd be that'd be great. Yeah I mean just to talk about the gun. Laws specifically Australia's kind of I would say a shining example of the importance of gun. Reform used to have used to be a gun culture and then there was a major incident which occurred decades ago. A mass shooting which seems so mundane in the in in America such an everyday affair in America that Australia basically kind of changed overnight and said we can't. We can't live like this so there are very strict on laws here. There was a major buy back program in the wake of that mass shooting so basically yes there are gun owners but it's very difficult to to own a gun and has to be under locking key. Their spot checks. I believe there are either annual or bi annual sort of renewals that you have to sort of pass. It's very regulated and gun. Ownership is not very high in Australia. Because it's so difficult to pass the regulations to to be a gun owner and that wasn't always the case that changed and that changed because of a a very traumatic event. Obviously that hasn't yet happened in America. Even though the kind of trauma in America is quite is much greater. I would say when it comes to kind of mass shootings etc thinking of Sandy Hook and among other things I mean Vegas Dayton Ohio goes on and on and on I met You Sandy Hook because it's kids you know what I'm saying. We're but for me. See that's the thing again. What we're talking about. And Jackie mentioned this the kind of orientation of citizens towards their government. About what freedoms can you see? This is the funny thing. The whole idea of the right to bear arms begins with the notion of rights. Rights are only rights. Because there's someone who can ensure those rights and the person or entity that can guarantee those rights is a state is a government so the idea that you can be a gun. Owner and be against a government is to me funny right because noon right to bear. Arms are moronic almost paradoxical in a way and the thing is I would say in the states. You're right there's a certain kind of ideology around freedom which sometimes butts up against the idea of being a citizen because of course being a citizen means that you are a member of a state and what that means is that there are certain kinds of entitlements by birth that the state is going to guarantee for you now for a lot of Americans. They don't want that for the rest of the world. They UNDERSTAND CITIZENSHIP CITIZENSHIP TO BE. I'm a number of an entity that means that I have to give up something to get something you see what I'm saying contract. Yeah that's right and that's that's not something that you often have to convince. People is good or is legitimate especially in Australian case so to me Australia. Sort of notion of freedom. Yes that exists. Obviously but it's not the same as in the states right. I'll give you an example. America is one of the few places that has the same kind of First Amendment freedom of speech kind of enshrinement because other countries regulate hate speech. Right so there's this idea that no you shouldn't be able to say what you want because what you want maybe offensive and not only offensive but it may be hateful and it may in fact. Boorda criminality so in Germany. If you are a Holocaust Denier. That is against the law. I do be right so I find that to be very reasonable right but from the American context. It's not and I. I'm not trying to get into a debate about free speech after I get the free speech. And also Jackie mentioned the Second Amendment as well those are indicators or those are kind of interesting places to look at how people understand their position as citizens and their relationship to governments and what governments are supposed to do and what citizens are supposed to do during periods of crisis. Yeah you know what I really wanted to ask you about. What's needed the all we can tie. All of this together is the concept of like civic duty right you know how first of all if you can define civic duty for us and how with these different lenses America Australia and you know some of the key countries how that might manifest differently because you know New York? I'm getting texts everyday the says New Yorker stay home do your part you know and it's like as I think that sending a message to me that my civic duty is to stay home to isolate myself from other people You know it's one thing to give me that message and this another thing as you know citizens like how we respond to that message. Maybe Americans would do it more defiantly than other countries. But could you get into that? Also in terms of you know the definition of Maybe what it means to be a citizen. How varies and all that jazz? Yeah Joe Joe. I mean you mentioned it earlier. It's it stems back to the kind of classic notion of the social contract right and of course you know it's it's it's it's abstract right because we never signed these contracts when we become members of states when we attain you know. I was born in Korea so I had to become nationalized. And naturalized rather sorry and that that there's a certain kind of oath we take and those are all sort of secular rituals to enshrine our relationship to government but those are usually abstract ideas because the idea of civic duty for most people this sort of like airy-fairy sorta like a concept. It's not really something you feel like. We don't wake up every day. Feeling being like Oh. I'm an American citizen. You know what I'm saying right exactly so I think what's uniquely kind of complicated in the states is our attachment to something. That's bigger than us is not necessarily to the federal government to the nation. You don't wake up thinking I am an American you wake up thinking I am me and then further down the line you think of yourself maybe as a New Yorker you see what I'm saying so for yeah same with me. I never thought like. Oh Yeah I'm so proud to be American. Are you kidding like no? But I'm very proud to be a New Yorker. You know what I'm saying. So in a sense we have varying kinds of scales in terms of how we attached to something larger than us right so that kind of collectively may not be the nation because of course nations in the in the history of the world are very recent phenomena. There's a very famous book by the Political Anthropologists Benedict Anderson. And I'm sure many of you read it during college. It's called imagined communities and nations are imagined communities. We have to imagine that were part of it. You see what I mean. And when he says imagined he means that it's in our minds that it has to be constructed but it's also about images you see what I mean. That is to say that we have to see the nation for us to understand that we're a part of it and the thing is when we see the nation where we're seeing jared Kushner. We're seeing trump received pence and those are not things that I personally feel like. I'm a part of or rather I'm not proud to be a part of you. See what I'm saying. So that then has a knock on effect right because if that's supposed to be the thing I'm apart of well then there may not be legitimacy that is to say. I don't feel that I need to listen to them because they obviously don't know what they're talking about is what I mean to me. It's about the institutions and the relationship at those institutions and the trust and credibility those institutions. Have and it's not because Americans are more likely to do that more likely do this other thing. All nations are imagined and they work because institutions are able to convince citizenry that they are doing the job of being nations or being states or being governments. If they can't do it then of course people are going to not not because they obviously see that their nations are not doing the jobs that other nations are doing. You know what I mean like. I'll give you an example in the Australian context after the prime minister. Basically said Yo don't don't gather in large groups. There are a bunch of people on Bond Beach hanging out and he was. I gave you a chance now. I'M GONNA shut it down and it's so interesting here. They were like okay. I'll give you a chance to act right on your own. If you're not going to do it I'm shutting down the next day so it's not like a marrying right there. Yeah so it's so it's not like you know. Americans are more like are going to listen to their governments less than Australians and listen to their governments more. It's more like well have these respective governments. Done the work of gaining legitimacy and procuring credibility so that citizens follow. You know what I mean. Yo what's happening? I know you WANNA BE J. You wanted to record your own podcast and be a man of moral and understanding up so you is not easy to make a podcast like six ninety nine per pound. It takes years of practice. Relationship-building his knowledge on how to start your own and make money while you're at it. 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You'll offer to me as a citizen like what kind of fucking civic duty do I have that our old for this society you know what I mean so I think that sentiment if anything like you know you kind of have a right to be passed out. Linda's top avant on social structure. You know what I'm saying and I mean May- maybe how sorry to cut you off. Not Maybe hostility is one way of putting it. But even those who are not hostile may just be disaffected disenchanted. The you know what I mean. So it's not so hostility to me implies like I'm actively against the government but disenchantment like man like what am I going to go off of? You know what I mean. That's right it's fatigue. Well put yeah I mean it mean we also. I think this is very timely topic in as we talk about the relationship between the government and the citizens but also within the citizenry there is a divide right like we were just talking about Andrea op. Ed and it really kind of created a very divisive reaction from asian-americans guys. Let me kind of say that quote that keeping triggered it so Andrea was writing an op Ed for the Washington Post you know being in the context of Jeff Rachel for big. I'll go one no problem So the headline of this is Andrew Yang. We Asian Americans are not the virus but we can be part of the cure and the the phrase that really triggered people was. This is Andrew Yang speaking. We Asian Americans need to embrace and show our American this in ways we have never before we need to step up help. Our neighbors donate gear. Vote where Red White and blue volunteer fund aid organizations and do everything in our power to accelerate the end of this crisis. We should show without a shadow of doubt that we are Americans who will do our part of foreign country in this time of need demonstrate. We are part of the solution. We are not the virus but we can be part of the cure so a lot there grow for ru is like as if like Iota Chinese uncle coconut with the wok serve in Irvine General. Taus chicken couldn't hold for twenty years was not being American. You know what I'm saying like. Oh I mean being an American is just like Yo you come in here you don't mean in a capitalistic society. Trying to create a future for yourself. Send your kids to an expensive college. Put a down payment on a house. Paid A fucking mortgage for thirty years and then retire. You know made us the American life that we all know what the Fuck Z. Mean you got to be more of an American. I'm saying but yeah not take on thank you. Yeah I mean those. Those comments are there rich. I guess is one way of putting it. Yeah I mean again. He's responding to this backlash that that sort of global right. I mean even in Australia. There has been there haven't been reports of like physical violence but there have been reports of social intimidation et Cetera. But I must say. Even the prime minister in his daily remarks giving updates about the pandemic has basically insisted upon. There's there's no room for that you know what I mean and I think that's. That's a stark contrast for to the president of the United States crossing out his remarks to call it the Chinese virus and the doubling down on it When he speaks then when he to say hey you know we need to not blame Asian Americans. He refers Asian Americans as they. So this is of course kind of sparked by this kind of the concern about the backlash and I don. I want to kind of acknowledge that there is and you know this is like made up. Andrew. I can't I can't read his mind. Obviously he's sort of thinking that this is the best way of helping the situation but I think he's. He's not he's not thinking through the implications of what he's saying because based on shop floor he's asking for us to perform Americanise without the acknowledgement. That are very being is American. You see what I'm saying. That that that that to me is reflective of an idea of a racialist understanding of what it means to be American. You see so. Basically more focused tone deaf. You know what I'm saying like. He's yes he's tone deaf but I actually think he believes this and this might be more troubling. Which is that I think for him. There are certain kinds of cultural performances. That are part of being an American. And he's asking Asian Americans to sacrifice to give up their own sort of cultural identities to take on other cultural identities. And I think this is the thing a cultural minorities. Racial minorities in America are always asked to dis- kind of dilute right and I think that's for whom is the question. For whom right? Whose fears are we allaying. Whose concerns are we worried about right. It's almost the most Asian thing for Andrew Yanked to say which is please be worried about how other people see you right now and I mean Asian quote Unquote Asian. You know what I mean stereotypically Asian. That to me is is just troubling. Because he's he's he's probably the most prominent asian-american in the public sphere right now and for him to say something like that. is very strange as if to say there aren't Asian American doctors nurses nurses and other healthcare workers on the front line across hospitals in the United States. I mean that to me is completely yeah. Jt as you said tone-deaf matters it's one thousand percent on top of that. It's almost feels. I mean you know we could go back. We we could go into deep conversations about what his intentions all. And you know we. We can't lie. I don't WanNa be over here like you know playing a guessing game but You're right like basically our existence as who we are living in America is our way of performing are Americanise. You know what I'm saying like meat picking up the trash me. Swipe into Metro card without like jumping over the terrorist out. Making sure that you know like I agree my neighbors. You know what I'm saying like I'm paying my taxes like being American. You know what I'm saying. I'll have to fucking eat burgers. We're fucking go. You know what I mean. Try to save people's lives and do all that. I pay my taxes do that. You know what I'm saying like me want to donate a few masto Almar Hospital. That is because of my goodwill as an individual as a me perform extra duties to be American. You know what I'm like. This is my thought I think. Sorry Joe go ahead no I guess it really relates again to the civic duty part for me and that feels like we're again being held to a higher standard. We can't just as we need to get an a plus it feels like even just like affirmative action. Sometimes it's like oh it's if you could be like the most perfect you know. Have the perfect report card. How perfect everything. But you know if your last name is Li Yang Blah Blah Blah. You know you're going to be held to another standard and I just can't help but feel that this is happening again like we are always held to a different standard and the standard isn't decided by us. Yes exactly I think. That's exactly the point is he's basically saying yes. There's a different standard for us. And that's fine and I think that's very troubling Joe. It is just like Just like somewhat of black friends of mine saying like Yo you gotTa do double what you're able to do to please the white man you know where the white women you know what. I'm saying like why would have like water fog out of do shit. You know what I'm saying. I gotTa Wear Izod and fucking tried to talk Hillary Clinton you know what I'm saying like why you know I I mean I mean I don't know what you gotTa is odd but I guess what I'm saying is yes that's it's one thing to say like. Yeah that's how the world is. It's another thing to say. Yes and let's completely except that you know what I'm saying and that's sort of you know again. Yang's kind of positioning as a very prominent figure right now in America and for him to be saying that this moment. I'M NOT GONNA say disappointing because like I never really was a fan of injury but is sort of bizarre the for to give him a little bit. You know benefit of the doubt. I think you know being in media and you know having studied journalism like this writer probably knew you know the things that he the little sound bites that were going to be like the most controversial. I mean isn't op ED. So he wrote it but it's like you know he was about to say interview like it was true but you know the Washington Post has a certain demographic right and it's going in. Maybe his article would've translated differently if it was written on another publication that was predominantly predominantly. Black like who knows I kind of hoped Andrew would have had a better media training now that he is a correspondent. Cnn He's amazing he's he's a great media training. You know what I'm saying. He's the most articulate when he's on the on the debate stage what I'm saying yes but I think just. I feel like it happened enough times. You know even just like our fellow Homey Kimmy Yom who writes you know for NBC Asian America and have gotten backlashes from like quote unquote his Yang Yang and like have talked about How he plays to the Asian American audience. And everything like that. I would have thought maybe he would have been more Careful or just a little bit. More empathetic 'cause I think when I read this I I I was like is he addressing like my mom not really me because I think the younger asian-americans I think kind of do most of these things he's telling us to do you know and I'm just like maybe was he not even addressing me was he addressing like my mom for example who definitely just kinda hangs with the Korean ends on urges kind of isolates herself because she doesn't really Feel accepted even though she you know was naturalized citizens. She gave up her legions to like her mother. Lan To be here rightfully so in. She still doesn't feel fully accepted and will not go to jury duty as long as you can and I wonder if he was addressing them because Asian Americans aren't a monolith right so I just can't help but feel like if he had a different person than his mind and was kind of not Acknowledging everybody else not but I I get that point now go ahead Sam go ahead. I was going to say this conversation. What you guys were just talking about. Made me think that maybe it's not a bad thing that someone like Andrew Yang exists. Because I think it does demonstrate as you said Gioja the kind of non Monolithic Quality of Asian American voices Earlier when you said Andrew. Yang's comments were divisive. I thought men. I don't know if I've encountered anyone who thought what he had to say was great. He's a great unifier inadvertently. But but yeah I know I mean listen I mean. I think there's a that that is a that is a very sort of a that is a perspective that you know has precedent in other communities as well right so you know I. It's a completely legitimate. One is just one that I happen to disagree with you. Know and and I think there's a cer- as you were not as you were noting this kind of maybe think of my dad who you know probably skirted jury duty like for thirty something years. It's it's it's that that's a question also of how we are supposed to understand. Loyalty is like this goes back to the citizenship question and duty is it beyond the human imagination currently to think of people as being kind of bound to various tease. You know what I mean. We're living in an era where you can potentially have three passports. Yeah so then you know what it becomes complicated because we don't know how we're supposed to kind of perform citizenship right. And that's why for me. I think the reason why I don't agree with Yang's comments is because it makes it seem like we have we have we have something to prove because we're somehow responsible for the virus known. I mean ridiculous like I said we have a duty because we're Americans right to do all these other things and that's it's like it's like good of you to do that. It's one thing but the what you just read Joe Joe except made it seem like you know like it's it's it's we have an extra part to play. Yeah you know what I mean and I'm like why do we have an extra? Yeah born this way Right right right. Yeah so on speaking of Andrew Yang and about This attribution of 'cause toward Asian people and especially the Chinese people What are your? What are your thoughts about that like? It feels like it's kind of an ongoing thing in American history. Like whenever there's a problem not the PROB is not because of the community as a whole but is usually like because of one particular minority group we normally like. So there's always like the Chinese exclusion act it odors yellow payroll. And you know. Obviously this happened. This has happened with other ethnic minority groups like they blamed the Jews for certain things they blame the blacks for certain things so on and so forth but if feels like cyclical that this happens every few decades is like I was the agency again. We gotta go after them. This time with this shit it. What were your initial thoughts about that Sam? Yes it to me is weird because I view it as both you know that kind of yellow peril discourse but also a very very very bizarre fascination with China and I think there are two sides of the same coin because on the one hand you have a lot of reports being like yeah. They're under reporting. They've been sort of not great about being forthcoming with information. Yada Yada Yada. That's probably true and there's no doubt that you know. China is a party state and has a history of kind of massaging the numbers. Not Having full blown investigations when I when I spoke to you both last about my about my book. I explained that I wrote a chapter on highway and the artist. I Way Way and one of the projects that I kind of Spearheaded was the citizens investigation project about an earthquake in Sichuan that resulted in the death of many school children because of poorly built schools and he basically was jailed for trying to figure out what the actual number of deaths were. You know what I mean so I don't want to. I want to acknowledge that there is some kind of foul stuff that has happened. But what's interesting about? Not just American media but Western media is this which is oh see. China's responsible for this. But wow look at their response you know what I mean. So it's The New York Times. This is all the time and when I said it's the same it's the same. It's two sides of the same coin. It's the orientalist coin which is A. Wow look at them. They're so they're so sort of backwards quote unquote that they created this. But then they're so authoritarian that they can sort of like you stem this tide. You know what I mean. And I'm sure you all saw the coverage of all these huge bulldozers that somehow immobilized by the military in who bay and creating like hospitals overnight. Yeah Yeah exactly. And you can see the coverage of Asian countries like Korea. Singapore Anti Juan have been sort of mixed with this like fascination of how quickly their responses were. But then also sort of like. Yeah but we can't do that in Europe and North America because you know we have democracy and I think that that to me is funny is funny because it's basically at once. I wish we could do that. You know what I mean. It's like oh I wish we could basically say everyone stay home. I don't care what's happening. We could just lock it. All down quickly That sort of mobilization is again a source of kind of like envy but also a source of like disdain and classic. It's Classic Oriental Ism. It's not exactly hatred. It's actually fascination. Yeah for sure and it does seem kind of weird like who are we also to kind of judge the way they do things you know. I think it's interesting to you because when I talked to my mom she is very proud. That like Oh my gosh. Everyone's praising South Korea for how he handled the virus and it's like the inversely of you know how Western media views you know Eastern way of doing things they think east still kind of be grudgingly enjoys praise or acknowledgment from the West Even if you know they might say they don't care or doesn't matter. They're doing such a bad job like they secretly love it when their pride is being stroke a little bit of just like. Oh Yeah you should do it the way like we do. That's Good Matt. Funky is flunky ISM Koreans low flunky isn't the they love validated by America. You'd saying yeah that is true. You know what I'm saying is I'm glad you all brought this up because it's so cheap you know what I'm saying is cheap is cheap. Because you're not you're you should be proud of saving lives. You know what I'm saying and the fact that you then sort of be like an Australia's than the same thing yesterday. The chief medical officer of the entire country basically said Australia has done more testing per capita than any other country. Like who cares. You know what I'm saying like. What does that got to do with anything you know I mean in some ways? Is the demonstration that the state is doing. Its job but I think on the other hand it's also about this sort of like pissing contest about who's better you know and this is. This is not exactly a time to be like you know keeping a scoreboard about. Who's better at this? You know but again. That's part of. It's part of that kind of almost colonial mindset of yeah. Those people have praised us so we need to the global stage thing. I mean I hate to bring this up randomly. But it's like the parasites situation as well. You know what I'm saying. It's like okay great but like it's little bit too much you know it's like any time because let's be let's be let's keep it all the way one hundred you know what. I mean like if we keep it if we keep it. Funky A lot. The Art House Directors in Korea had more cachet outside of Korea because they were big on the festival circuit at home. It's not that hot you know. What mean in terms of box office? And that's all that you know that that's and if that's any indication it's almost like you need to make it big outside to make it back inside. You know what I'm doing now for room like demonstrates a twisted sort of value system. You know what I'm saying. It's like I think I think it's very upsetting settings too hard but I feel like cheap. Cheap cheap is cheap but then again like you know we you know South Korea. It's a country that essentially has had tremendous influence about a United States as a nation as a modern nation. You know what I'm saying so I think I think it's almost inevitable. But then again you know this whole sense of Flunky Ism. It really annoys me because it's just like I'll just be cool with who you are but then again. This country is unlike the middle fucking China Japan North Korea Russia and A. US. You know saying so. They're like they're like fuck in their legs. They're they're they're basically gander ass kicked and all angles right now. You know. But I don't know Jackie our push back on that because think about it. I mean the relationship that America has had with Korea has inevitably created investment for a career to be a global player. I mean how often do you think about Nigeria Nigeria's he knows one of the largest deposits of natural grass of the world? What I'm saying and we are still living in a fossil world fossil fuel world right so so to me. Korea has benefited as well. You know. So it's it's not as easy as oh look because there's a narrative there's a historical narrative of Korea overcoming all these sort of historical hurdles and that's inevitably true but if we keep it all the way hundred you know. There are many nations across the world that will love to swap positions with thousand five hundred. Eighty one one thousand like. Let's keep it in perspective. You know what I mean like you know. There's a lot to be proud of but there but there are many sort of factors that go into success. You know what I mean politics heavily on this now one thousand percent. I mean listen man you know having a dirt poor country from going like make no money to fucking becoming one of the most. You know like wealthy affluent nations always. Cd nations within sixty fifty nine. Maybe even fifty fifty five is less than six years as incredible. You know what I mean not corrode they definitely has benefited from major American support. You know what I mean. Even our Kazini. We'd love to sit. Centrifuges leftover meat from the US NBC. Maybe maybe I'm weird. I always thought it was not that great but anyway so salty saying man but but with all asset though man like you know there's just so much that's going on this world right now and luckily you're unluckily we're all social distance in where like in our house in our homes just just fucking going about our days you know what. I'm sayin' and I think me and these are some great times for us to catch up on some Kumaon. Do the knowledge read some books. And you know we know that you're one of the most well read you know individuals that I've ever graced our podcast Is there are there like some books for that? You recommend for us so we can understand. His situation happening not only on on a surface level. Like literally about the virus. I mean Shit like I. I'm fucking reading news reports about the virus every day. But I KINDA WANNA conceptualize in the bigger picture. I mean you mentioned a very great a book imagination. You know what I'm saying like I think I think that's that's a that's a good place to start but are there other books that you would wanNA recommend for us to check out. Yeah there I mean. There's so many but just in terms of like that's very specific to this sort of context. I would say the first. The first thing that comes to mind is there was. There was a sociologist named Eric Klein. Enberg who wrote an Ed for the New York Times about the importance of maintaining social solidarity? In Times of social distancing Kleinberg is someone who wrote a lot about sort of new ways of living and his first big project was I believe on the heat wave in Chicago in the nineties and I think I forget the name of that Book Line Enberg is a is a good kind of Berg. Yeah so Klinberg's and interesting one. Just because I think he he asserts the importance of keeping connected. While we're part you know what I mean and I think that's very important just in terms of other books to kind of figure out like the current situation. You know there's A. There's there's a lot but I would say I hesitate to give this suggestion because I've might be SORTA SCARY BUT MICHELLE. Fuko has a book called discipline and punish and it's about kind of imprisonment and incarceration but he has a large chunk of it that deals with the bubonic plague. People were forced to stay home. And the sort of the mechanisms that States enact in order to keep track of people and sort of you know maintain people's sort of separation from another but also kind of keep account of them. It may give. You may sort of. I don't know have a negative effect on the reader but I think that might be an interesting one as well but yeah I mean those are the two that come to mind but quite honestly like I haven't had a chance to do any sort of reading or Kumaon because I've been so busy moving all my classes online. And could I want to say this? I feel like you shouldn't feel bad. If you don't develop new hobbies or skills or read more like this is not normal. You know what I'm saying and we should all sort of cut ourselves some slack and also I feel like if you are an employer and you have employees like this is not normal you know what I mean and I think one of the things about working from home is that you actually work a lot more and you have less kind of separation. Psychologically so I think You know if people just need to like be okay with like not doing stuff as well. You know what I mean. Yeah. I'm so glad you said that Sam because I've been going stir crazy and feeling like I'm not productive enough I'm constantly thinking like. Oh my gosh am I going to gain that Corentin fifteen But I think there's been several people that I love. Pulled me out of that to say you are being productive by staying home like you're helping by staying home like just as a baseline acknowledging that because it is really crazy especially for extroverts especially for people who know operate in a way where they want to take a break with people In less than five hundred square feet apartment in New York City driving that yeah so everyone just like pat themselves on the back. This is not normal at all It's okay it's okay you don't junk just don't be watching porn all day and just play an animal cross day man to go outside a little bit. Social Distance Yourself. Are you going outside? Maybe do a few push. Ups In between your porn in animal crossing sexually sessions. But with that said I'm GONNA just run down the list of intellectual public. You know the the the books that you've recommended Eric. Kleinberg Social Solidarity. I'm saying and Surprisingly actually I'm actually had a book called going Solo. What a coincidence you know what I'm saying like he made. He wrote a book called going Solo and he also wrote a book with Z's on sorry even you know I'm sure he's not happy that that comes up on Google Da. Nah I for Year of his show and on top of that. You know he Book Discipline and punish you know what I'm saying and last but not least imagination by Benedict Anderson Magic communities by Benedict Anderson. I'm saying so. These are all like probably a little heavy heavier topics than just reading your Harry Potter novels. But it always some good books. You know some Some Brain food for your so. I think we definitely should check them out. All right awesome. Well thank you so much for joining us. Yuri answered are too personal questions of you. Famously cited a book as your significant other. That was the first and the last. But yeah and I thank you so much for joining us And just four people who have just been enlightened to your presence. Where can people find you and connect with you? I could find links to all of them on my website. Which is Sam Dash Han dot org and on the upper right hand corner all I have linked to my social. I just threw that they're not bots or like you know people don't want following or another way. What are some of your books or your projects articles? Yeah so thanks for letting me. Pr Person. Sam Sam Actually wrote a lot of himself. You know what I mean. I'm surprised they needed a plug. Plug one in himself. But you know that's Hambo years you know what I'm saying. Yes I don't know about humble. Maybe more shame. Yeah so my my. Most recent project is called interfacing death and global uncertainty and. I think there's a lot there that actually has to do with what we're talking about. Just in terms of how often we're seeing death was written in pre pandemic sort of world but I think yeah. It's about the way that we are viewing death at how often we see death. And how that changes our approach to death. So yeah it's called interfacing. Death Life and global uncertainty from ratledge. That came out earlier this year. You make sure you check that out and everywhere else. Yeah available on Amazon and everywhere else. I mean to cover. Looks like a nineties a Jamiroquai album cover. Almost you know what I'm saying that photo. Actually I appreciate your yeah. Yeah for sure for sure definitely has like that nineties UK garage album vibe. A little bit I mean Jamiroquai is different from that. But you get the vibes. You know what I'm saying so but with that said though man Sam is always always a pleasure speaking with you Mayo. Always dropped so many gems for us to really think about and you really contextualized everything that I feel like we think about. But it's hard for us to communicate in a in a concise in a very yom logical manner. You know what I'm saying. Is We appreciate you always joining us to share your insight and You know we hope you stay safe over there. Man on a stroller. We hope all your students and your loved ones are good now but you know really appreciate you brother. Thank you. Thank you to six ninety nine per pound. Y'ALL STAY SAFE. Stay well and yeah just keep keep keep keep keep it moving non for sure definitely man. I hope a whole next time you come back to New York. Everything is You know it's an we're we're probably going to be living in a different world. You know what I'm saying. We probably not going to be giving each other dabs but just shoulder bumps but you know much love to that and hopefully that they come soon so with all the listeners out there we thank y'all for tournament but yeah. I want to give a very special shout out to our producer Michael. Ken Store within the past three weeks. 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Hot Topics w/ Justin Sylvester + Chases Stokes Interview

Chicks in the Office

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Hot Topics w/ Justin Sylvester + Chases Stokes Interview

"What's up, everyone? It's chicks in the office with Rian Fran. Give you that Friday energy on Thursday. This podcast is presented to you by Francia. Our favorite wine to drink this summer where drinking at all summer long they have all different types of wine, and if you get a box, it is six and a half bottles in that box, so you know what you're never going to. To have to run back to the story, the bottle you gotta do is Cara box around whether you're going to the beach whether staying inside whatever it is Francia is the wine to go to. My personal faith is a peanut gratiot. Of course friend. You've been talked about those rows. Say Juice boxes that you've been drinking from Francia. They are fantastic. The sunset blush also amazing. So many options, rich and buttery Chardonnay Sunset Blush Rosy Pink Must Scotto Pinot grease like little savvy. They got it all Sabi. A love Asami be. Exactly. There's really so many amazing types of wine and on top of that. 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If you tag, we will re post it one hundred percent of the time. I literally riposte every time somebody tags me and if you're drinking France, yeah, tag us as well because we'd love to re post you as well if you tag Francia sometimes, it just makes me think like wow here. We are influencing. You Know Yeah, Oh man! We really needed US influence. Influencing So so proud of US Francesca. We have a fantastic episode today. Really just a fun fun episode been on a roll. Of course always on the back, but some good stuff it's summer and like Noah said the other day, the dog days of summer were still grind. We're still doing our thing, and this episode is really fun. Because we have Justin Sylvester from E. Aka, the lady said her who is so much fun and fucking hilarious. You guys are GonNa Laugh Throughout love episode. Even though there are some serious topics, you're still gonNA laugh. You're still going to have a good time I'm really really excited for this one. Excited for you guys to hear it, but before we get into all of that, we need to talk about something extremely important. That is happening today. Is. Ten Years Since one direction ten years. Yeah, it's ten ten years. That's makes me feel. Extremely old and I'm not old at all. It just made us a glimpse into the past. That's all it. It makes you. It doesn't make me feel as much old as it does. Make me feel like and these are basically the same thing. Makes me feel like more far removed from being. Like fifth child like I said. You know like some old timers still think that I'm fifteen. The things I do and watch in say on our Disney channel tastes are. Fifteen. Ask like Yes, and I have never really gotten rid of that part of myself, so hearing ten years is crazy. Really really because of that and also you know all these boys. They've been through a lot been a crazy ten years for them, so I'm really excited. Eh, to see what it all is. Unfortunately, where more recording this Wednesday so all of this? will be out in I. Believe you'll be able to go the website. There's videos and and. I think possibly. They're re releasing like a bunch of old music and stuff like that. There's a whole list of documentary. Give US A. Google play I know. They said that there is supposed to be some kind of video, which is going to touch on the past one that which felt a little documentary. Ask I. Don't think it would be like dat lengthy. Maybe it's you know ten minutes I. Don't know where I'm speculating here. Everyone listening is going to be like friend. You're wrong because I just watched. Whatever it is, so we haven't outing this on on Wednesday. The episode wouldn't be allowed to be put out on Thursday if we recorded it. Exactly Whatever they put out. We're watching it whatever it is whatever it is, we will support and I saw some rumors and I'm not sure you know how. True these are, or if they have any stability to them, but I did see people saying that there might be a fine line documentary in the works with our styles once again, not sure if that's true whatsoever, but I would like to believe it for myself and I'd like to get other people excited about it. Unless Harry styles, breaks our heart and doesn't release it, and then everyone's mad at me. Then ps forget I ever said bad, but if it does come out, just know you heard it here first. Yeah, and just you know for all those. People out who listen to us in loved one direction you were all. Directions I'm sure we have a lot of them. It stays for you I'm happy for you guys. Feel like it's kind of like a holiday so I'm just like best wishes to all. You guys hope you really enjoy. I feel like I'm going to be listened to a lot of one d all Day Long. Just basket guys like I. said the status for you. It's time to get into the rest of the show like I said. We have Justin Sylvester on the episode where we're GONNA. Be Talking about the pop culture topics with him. We're GONNA. Be Talking about G. K and Megan Fox. Things have really been heating up and you guys need to hear about it. We're also going to be touching on Kanye. West is tweets and Kim Kardashian everything. That's going on in that family right now, and we also have a really fun conversation with since that an hour long I can't really remember every single thing. We talked about it because the the conversation when in so many? Many different directions and I really think people enjoy it, and we also have a very very quick update from chase stokes. He couldn't join us for a longer amount of time, so he just went popped on to tell us about something fun. He's doing, but confirmed we did talk to him afterwards, and he said he will come on with Mattie and they will talk to us. US about their relationship and all the T-. They have about that, so stay tuned for that. That's probably GONNA. Come sometime soon sometime. This summer will get them both on here confirmed, we did confirm it with them, so don't be sad about the little glimpse you got because it's just a little teaser. Right and I do think it was. We might have been slightly confusing because we. We had talked to chase and Camille on the same day. And Camille came out on Monday where we had talked about chasing matty doing the cargo music video, but you didn't hear that from chase yet, so you're going to hear now. Yeah, we. We actually spoiled his news for him. So you're going to hear from his mouth in this episode exactly so let's get into it. So I'm sure you guys have heard of Roman. And you know Roman targeted towards men well. Great News guys now we have. Rory Rory is sister brand of Roman and it's a digital health clinic for women. Obviously, we try our hardest to take care of our skin. If you're dealing with problems like dullness, redness, fine lines acne all of. 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Also he is the host of just the SIP, also in e podcast as well which is out on Wednesdays. We are huge. Fans of you were huge. Fans of E and we're super excited. Have you so thanks for coming up? Big You guys say look. I didn't realize that you guys get all gussied up. If I would've known that. We were coming with beads and hairstyles and. I would have like stepped my game. Listen sometimes, it just has to happen to make yourself feel like you're doing something for the day like yesterday. I had a day where I wore glasses a sweater. I put on no-make-up whatsoever and I just hopped on snapchat. Show up like I. Really don't give a crap when I look like right now, but then today I was like. I'm I'm going to look presentable. A game amas comment. I just wanted to make sure everything was on point I didn't WanNa. Disappoint you. Re, you look great. I did not put in a lot of effort. Today. But, sometimes when you just throw on like a couple necklaces, that's that's all you have to do. You grow you. Girls have it easy. Actually men have it pretty easy to, but if I was a girl, I would be like the simplest thing I'd be. Claire Danes with just like a diamond necklace, and then my confidence, and that would be done. That's all you need or some hoop earrings. Sometimes, that's all I. I need about myself so very candid on what mood you're in a whole hoop is always the way to go exactly absolutely, Justin. We're super excited. Have you'RE GONNA get into today's topics, but I i. just want to ask you. What is your favorite topic usually to talk about obviously this pop world covering different stuff every single day for what's something that gets, you pumped up when you're going to talk about it. It's crazy, you know my favorite topics are ones that deal with probably relationships you know because I think a lot of times whenever we talk about celebrity relationships, we think about them in cut and dry ways like it's like Oh. She must achieve our. Oh, she must be done with him because he did this and I. Think a lot of times. We forget that celebrity relationships just like our own are complex. And there are other things that go into a celebrity relationship in a gist alternately. What I like to do is Kinda Sorta Hyun Humanize celebrities because we forget that they are people, too, and they go through the same challenges that we go through an on a much larger scale, because millions of people are watching them. so for me. It's breaking it down and taking relationships and really making people realize that they're just like us. Absolutely. We feel the same way about those things we talk about it all the time. We just try to remind everyone that celebrities are human. Just like me you if if somebody was talking about our relationship, what would we want them to be saying about it so when? And I'm excited because we will be talking about celebrity relationship, good socks and mgk was just like a really hot relationship right now. We might as well just jump into that one right away since we're on the topic As no Megan, Fox and Brian also very no longer together. Because Megan Fox is dating machine gun Kelly after they met on the set of a movie, and she spoke on Lalla podcasts gift of La. La this week with empty Megan Fox had an astrologer on and then Randall Donald Away and don't Oh sorry I can't? please. Don't forget, don't we? Don't want to disrespect him like that I'm Dr Randall, yes. And they had an astrologer on and Meghan. Fox talked about how she the first time she met education look in his eyes, and said this is my twin flame, which she described as being even higher than a soulmate. It's went to souls ascend so high up that they split. into two bodies, and she thinks other hats G. Yes so hold on wait, she found that. Had that realization and then went home to Brian. Austin Green for a few more months I think it was and had to pretend like she did meet her twin flame for three months right? Isn't that crazy? It seems like it seemed like an and she did sound the pockets because I listen to a lot of it. I was so I was so intrigued because I really don't know anything about astrology like I know enough to be like I'm virgo and I know like what that kind of. Talking about your different moons and Planets, everything is crazy and I. Guess Meghan is really really into it because when she even when you just heard that machine, Kelly was going to be cast in the movie like she was cast first and then machine gun Kelly came after, and she was like a lake. She before Stephen Heavy new. Yeah, before you knew she was like Oh boy like this could be. Roosevelt Susan Miller is like the share of astrology. She's like a living legend I follow Oliver Shit She's on astrology zone for people who have not seen her are met her, or no, she is, she is literally the Jaylo. Astrology, okay, you just can't mess for. The thing with Megan Kelly in Brian Austin Green is we've seen this couple? have ups and downs before you know what I mean like. They've been together. They have broken up. They'd gotten back together had a kid. There was always these rocky moments and I. Think sometimes when you're in a bad relationship, you both don't know how to let each other go because you're so co dependent on one another. And sometimes it takes someone to come into your light and ignites something in you that you haven't felt in a long time and I think machine gun Kelly ignited as we now yeah, On a physical and a spiritual level, and it sucks that like. After three kids, and after being married to somebody for that long that you do have to part ways, but I would rather take the brunt of going through a divorce in splitting up and being in a relationship that didn't make me happy. Because what happens when you stay in a relationship that doesn't make you happy. It trickles down and the kids aren't happy. Right and I. also think about the fact that like you said she saw. Kate looked in his eyes and was like. This is my twin flame, and then you think about Brian. Austin Green, and you're like. Oh! She went home to him and she was still with him, but at the same time. Even though I feel bad for him in that sense, I'm like so excited for. For Megan. Fox because that's one of the best feelings ever. It's like super exciting. Just from within you that you know some you, you're like this is forbidden love. We shouldn't be together, but we are so attracted to each other like I was listening to Megan Fox talk about Mgk Inaba. Getting slightly turned on. I was like wow I'm thinking I'm feeling what you're feeling right now. One hundred percent. But how many times have we s people as girls? Because you know, I'm just one of the girls. How many times have we met a dude and we're like Oh. My God this is the one isolated guy he. Never. Like. The after having like if you're having boring sex with your man for a very long time, and then all of a sudden someone lights at Gas Chamber Down Under and you have this hot crazy sex with them. You have to hold those things for ninety days. If you still feel the same way three months down the road that you'll on week to let's go with it. Right. You know what I mean like I. Don't WanNa I. Don't want her to jump the gun and say all these things. And then all of a sudden. She goes back to Brian Greene. Are All of a sudden indicate has moved on to the next conquest. Right, and that's what I'm thinking about with Megan Fox in and Brian Greene especially because Brian. I I don't know about now, but he was saying when they separated, he was like. Yeah, you know we might. We might get back together and it's like what. Holding onto this yet. He said something about butterflies. They gotta fly away sometimes, and sometimes they come back, which is yeah I feel like he knows Meghan Spirit like Meghan is clearly very free spirit, and he is aware of that, and she clearly I took away from that like she has come and gone before like she has. She has come back. Many times are sure we'll do that. Article. That came out in two thousand fifteen. He had undiagnosed. Brain is where he was bed at for a very long for almost a year a few months, and she left, and while he was on his bed rest because she needed to go ahead and fly allegedly. Yes, I think for Brian Austin Green. He's holding out hope because. Anybody wants back on David seen at forty something. I mean like right and this is the problem with men who marry younger women. It's a at some point you're going to turn into that old Yeti. You're going to have to get a Celsius bugger. WAKEUP and keep this flame alive because. Like I took on the responsibility to marry somebody who was a tiny bit older. You did the same being married somebody younger so I'm a need you to put in a little bit of effort. And if you know, your girl is a wild blamed and likes you know to explore and experiment. Don't sit at home. They make macaroni and cheese doodle for you know the whole time you're married. Get out there. Bring it onto Linda. Take too God. Damn Coachella even though you're old as the here. Matter all and go. Do something fine I I don't understand when I think for Brian Austin Green he's holding out hope because he didn't want to really have to move on right and especially someone like Megan, Fox, you would think Oh, this is Megan. Fox with like I need to live up to this expectations. I need to be this. This amazing man I need to do crazy shit because it's making thoughts but I feel like when you spend so much time with. With somebody after a while the Oh she's Meghan, Fox probably wore off for him, and he probably felt like he didn't need to put in the work anymore. Well, it was Angelina Jolie. You know what I mean like. Oh my gosh, she's so fiery. She's so steamy then all of a sudden jars, telling you bit Mediterranean and wants to be on eight o'clock every night, and you're like wait. What happened to the loud sex in the blood miles in the Limo Fund. Everything kind of goes out the window when you grow up, but. I. Just hope because remember how like back in the cut. Everybody would day John Mayer, and it'd be like he's the deepest person I've ever met. Business a connection, and all these incredible, sexy, beautiful, smart and talented women would one after the other fall for his shit because Mary was Timpson, Jessica. Jess I know I read. A after reading Justin's book I was like this woman unbelievable that she was stuck with John Mayer for so long Katy Perry Jennifer Aniston talking about becoming godparents to their children because they made a friend they had they had a support group for women. Who Fell Bridge on mayorship and I'm just like making come on making box like M G K is a musician. This is his thing. He's a poet. He's post to bring people and with those words. I just don't want it to happen to her, but you know what bucket if it's a while. Having a good time, why not? You're? So funny to like like go back and forth with it, 'cause you're like. Oh, I want Megan Fox to find love and just be happy, but then you're like you know what she seems like a wild child, so if it's a few months of like really steamy sex, they're just totally into each other, and then it dies out. It's like all right. That's Kinda what we were expecting anyway because it is so strong right now and someone like mg K., who by the way we never really talked about the fact that Pete Davidson and mgk who are best friends, both were banging Kate Beck and sale within months of each other. Came back in sound undervalued that house. You should not be renting that house out to anybody Bichir. Kate back, but you know what, but that actually came back and south went through a divorce sexy as hell. You know what you should be banging best friends. It's almost in. It's just impressive on their part that they're like back in sale. Megan Fox like just all of these iconic women. Problem, but this is the problem when your K-, Beck. Excel, you gotta be banging. dudes who aren't going to go and tell other people that you're being induced you what I mean like. Yeah, are like you are bad bitch so I if somebody like a Hollywood starlets here that have had some very amazing sexual conquest, and we don't know about them, because everybody keeps the sacred, they keep it inside the bubble. They keep it inside. Inside the box trust and believe once these women are married retired already to write that book. They're going to talk about all those conquest. I just don't want people to have the audacity are feel like they can run around and be like. Yeah. We came back and sell like no. She's a legend telling people. You should've felt lucky that you even got to walk inside that house. Much less park your shit inside of their. I completely agree, but I also. Put myself in the shoes like Pete Davidson or machine gun, Kelly and being like. Robbing my mind around being with some of the hottest women on planet Earth, and just like and just like having to let it out like and you know Pete. Davidson is documented so many times I like we're just like. Being in shock that he has actually been with some of these women and you know wishing on Kelly is in that same place right now. Being like Holy Shit this Meghan Fox next three. Really. How did I? Get here I'm not GonNa Complain I'm just GonNa like she says on her twin flame I. Don't know what the fuck that means, but I'm just getting rolling. It's like when Tom Green was taken. Everyone my y'all really sleepy where Tom Green. Really Tom Green? It's crazy because I'm not attracted to be Davidson at all, but if I were a girl. And I had heard that Ariana Grande Bei Kai Gruber an K beckon, sell kept on going back for something, and I saw the great sweatpants video where he was just flopping it around I would probably try to test it out. Oh, I would be let up in Costco, just trying to eat the sample. I would say I wouldn't dated. Sample! No, there's no. There's no dating Davidson I think that we've all learned that from seeing his past relationships with their something to add that maybe cate. Beckon sale wanted people to know that she was with Pete Davidson. Because of the status. He was getting from Arianna Guerande. Maybe she was like. The game the game she's she's a celebrity and she has been celebrity for two decades for a reason. They know how to play the game, so yeah came back and saw probably sixty percent of her was I yeah I. WanNa be young in nimble and show these boys. What's up know that thirty percent of her was a my ex. Husband has his hot young model. I'm going to show. And then the other ten percent of her was I. What I have a movie coming out. This is going to be great save. You need to tell people that we smashed it out I'm because I'm on the cover of shape magazine we got. Yup Yup totally so I'm curious as to what your opinion is Justice on M G K M Megan Fox long-term. Do you think this this twin flame Burns Burns out quickly? I think she's going to leave him hydride. I think once the world gets back. This is the problem we're in two thousand twenty right now. You are in the six game of Jumanji of your life okay. Everybody's at home. Everybody's lonely at everybody's scattered getting colder, so what you're. GonNa do is you're going to lockdown with the first person who you are seemingly attracted to not even intensely attracted. These. People have great sexual chemistry. They probably have a great connection, but what happens when the world opens up and machine gun. Kelly is going on tour and his meeting. All these other people and making Kelly has to stay home because their seven year old son has soccer tournament cracking up that you keep calling her Megan Kelly yeah. I'm like yes, Meghan Kelly. It's been a long day. I've been. Very confusing though I almost the same thing before. It's like the machine Kelly Meghan Fox. It's all name, yes, I I guess Megan Fox and Machine Gun Kelly I'm GonNa. Call Them Megan Kelly. Right. Yeah, I just think what an unfortunate couple of you're right. I think she's going to get bored. I think she's going to get bored with Bebe. knob being on the same page, but I also think that Megan Fox dates men who she can kind of control I be like she can kind of Control Shyla when they dated. Troll Ryan Austin Green because she was I'll Megan Fox but machine gun Kelly has big energy as well so. She'll be able to control him as much as she would like. Right and he is her twin flame, so if she saying he has the same energy that she has, he might be running off and by the way. When was the last time you dated somebody who had the same energy as you were like? Yeah, this is a great idea. I Now, you need holidays, it's. Opposites, I would never date a Scorpio I would never even tell someone to date me. Same whenever I'm a Leo when I see people. Talk About Leo's on like yeah, you're right like we really loved. The attention and dislike love ourselves. I don't really know. I just loved that there a couple of names Megan Kelly. So good, we should just make sure that that trends so that Megan Kelly Real Meghan Kelly as like what's going on. She would love it Megan. Kelly would love any kind of trend right now. Okay, right right. You just sitting at home in join that payoff, okay? Exactly exactly all right, we're going to move into the next topic. Which is Kanye West? There is a long going on with Connie right now. You said that you were up. Because he was back on twitter again. Honestly, this is just an unfortunate circumstance for everybody. The KARDASHIAN family the generous Conde West because we're dealing with somebody who has bipolar disorder, it's a mental health issue, and everyone's just like making jokes about it and nobody really knows how to react because. The tweets are right and jarring when you first read them, and it's so public and when you're reading it, you forget that this is actually a human being that is dealing with real life issues rather than somebody who is like sort entertainment for you, because Kanye has been a source of entertainment for so long. One hundred percent and it's. Really interesting to me is. If you've never dealt with somebody who is manic or bipolar, you don't understand. When people say they're down a rabbit hole. Are there in a space right now? You don't understand what that means, and you might find it funny, or you might laugh, because it's uncomfortable, or you might get a kick out of it because you think that the crash are sweating and what's going to happen next and. You're really into this whole narrative and what's crazy is is that kingdom have been through this before with him? So. They understand what happens if he doesn't get out of this and what happens when he hits rock bottom and what they're trying to do is they're just trying to stay quiet and calm in order to get him the help that he needs and. It's funny because everybody keeps on saying. You think she's pissed. She thinks she's pissed. You think they're gonNA like disown him. I'm like you guys didn't watch keeping up with the Kardashians and see what they did with Lamar. who wasn't married to Khloe at the time who had sold her out in a book and in tweets and sold stories about her cheated on her, and was terrible to her. Don't see how that family came together for a guy. That wasn't even a part of their family anymore, and you're just going to think that they're sitting there and disowning Conrad this point. No, they're worried about him. They don't care about what he's saying. Things, that are coming out of their mouths, they're more concerned with the fact that is he gonNa live, and is he going to get out of this enough to raise his kids and be a father and a husband? That's what they're worried about. Yeah, that definitely makes me mad as well when I see people bringing up the Kardashians in like a really negative way when it comes to this stuff, because say that they like destroyed that the strong lives yeah, so they're like Oak. The KARDASHIANS ruined Cognac. Can you believe what they did and I'm like you do realize when conde interrupted. Interrupted Taylor Swift. He wasn't with Kim Kardashian at the time like he was still doing these antics whatever it was so I'm just like why everything the Kardashians are the worst, and they're making conde miserable. It's like he has bipolar disorder like it's not all about the Kardashians. This is about somebody's mental health that he would have had whether or not. He was with the Kardashians one hundred percent, and the other thing is you have to remember because everyone's like? Oh, the pressure of the show in the pressure of this mall all these sayings that make these men break and it's A. And I see this both ways I save this for canonized. Say this for Kanye. You Know Connie knew who his wife was walking into this marriage. He knew the pressures, and you know how much and what her job entailed and he was fine with an e supported it and. Kim Knew Who Kanye was and knew what he was going through. They had been friends for years she knew. that he had episodes and you know being with him. She realized that. Is Manic bipolar? It's just I. Don't think there's anyone to blame here and it just makes me so sick that women get blamed when men go awry. You know what I mean right like a man cheap. What did you? Why did you not figure it out? If a man loses money because he was buying a lot of things you, the woman wanted a lifestyle. He was just try to keep up with it. You know what I mean like it's. It's all those simple things where we always want to blame on the women of the situation. Yeah, and it's hard, because obviously like you. You can't blame Connie for what he's saying during during these moments, but it's gotta be hard for Kim to see that you know. The way that he is portraying this to the public is that. She and her family. Are you know? The cause of of a lot of this which is and you know. And she said a report of what you said because she put out a statement on her instagram today. Saying as many as many of you know Connie has bipolar disorder. Anyone who has this or has a loved one in their life who does knows how incredibly complicated in painful it is to understand I've never spoken publicly about how this has affected us at home because I am very protective of our children. Children in Kenya's right to privacy when it comes to health, but today I feel like I should comment on it because of the stigma and misconceptions about mental health, those who understand mental illness or even pulsa behavior know that the family is powerless, unless the member is a minor people who are unaware or far removed from this experience can be judgmental and not understand that the individual themselves have to engage in the process of getting help no matter how hard family and friends. I thought that was such a huge. Like that that end paragraph is so important for people to realize like. This family. Is Right now. We are powerless in handling. What's going on unless Khania comes to US and wants to move forward, and what did you? What's the last the last line of that that statement? I went she had said with love and gratitude. or In Kim Kardashian west of us. Yes, she. Yes. Yup Yup and and I think it's it's very strong of her. Because she has never really commented on it before, but it's so sad because feel like Kanye is mentioning North and is mentioning Kim. End is mentioned Chris that now. She has to speak on it. But it's interesting because the Chris of it all. Have you ever met. Jenner before. No Same same room at the people of course awards. That's about it, we. Wish Kris Jenner is one of these opens people I've ever met in my life. She is the kindest she will. If you say something her mind, go even if you're just a friend of a friend and her mind is well many I know somebody. Let me just let me get that for you. You know what I mean like. It's Berry. She's very sweet. She's very caring. She's very generous, and you can tell that by her because her daughters are the same way a Khloe crashing as the person. She is because she was raised by Kris Jenner. And it's funny because a person my conway. In control of everything, and who likes to be who likes it? His way you know is not used of Kim relying on Chris for a of guidance, but Chris has been there since Kim's. Debut into this celebrity world and she's never steered her wrong in her life. Her career flourished. She's never had a had a odd point or bump in the road that she couldn't get over. Because Chris was there and I. Feel like Procon. Yeah in his manic state. Because what happens when you're in a manic moment, you give paranoid and you you dramatize things in your head, and make them bigger, and I think he thinks Chris is orchestrating this whole thing and Chris is running the show. You know Kim probably went their mom and was like Yo. I don't know what to do, and she probably goes to Chris to figure out things about business, and in life and motherhood, and being a wife like what do I do. Because Chris dealt with some of the same stuff. Not The bipolar are the May, but she held her head high when her husband became wife. You know her ex wife and she held her head high. When you know her husband, her ex husband was dying of cancer and was there for him so. I just think that Kanye thinks that Chris Meddling. You know mother-in-law and she's not. She's the voice of reason and the leader in the guide for these women. Absolutely and I, also think there's something about Kanye being on twitter also correlating with the fact that he must be reading. A lot of what people are saying about him in the Kardashian family and or I. Don't know if you guys think that, and and that's why he saying You know the movie. Get Out is about me. Da Stuff people have said about him. And about Kris Jenner and the crash in controlling his life like these are all jokes that people make all the time or yet jokes, but they're not that funny on the Internet so it's like maybe this is also getting into his brain a little bit, and like you said the paranoia is setting in, and he's starting to believe these thanks one hundred percent. I just ultimately wish. And I know nobody's asking for my advice. You know you know I hate that. The team that's around him. Don't understand the situation that he's in. You know if I knew that my you know when I worked for cow Richards for five years as Ladies Center inside Gig. If Kyle was going through something on this level, and she wanted to put on a campaign rally in South Carolina I would be like we can't do it. We can't get the permits. Sorry I would lie. With live, but it seems like the people that he has around him. Don't feel the power are don't feel like they have the energy to just sit him down and say okay. We've gone too far. You know what I mean or just help him. Not Do what he did in South Carolina, because that all could have been with Kobe. Going on with permits with you know the Wifi could have been done in south. Carolina. I don't know they could have made up some excuse of. How I don't know how they didn't come up with something like literally yeah. Just Corona, being an example like hey. Kinda. We can't like covert we. It can't happen and one hundred percent, but because he's Konya wants to tell him. No which is is probably a very hard place to be in because it's. So, you're like, do I? Say No to this person. I'm Greg I'm afraid. Afraid of fired or anything heard crazy stories about why. Kanye has fired people so. They could be afraid of anything. One hundred percent and I feel bad because I've was friends with a celebrity on that magnitude and I think person like me around for the short time that we were friends, because I was a no fucker. You can to see that to be. But you get do that. The. There's no way you can get away with that and everyone in his camp would be like. Like it was like a side like that, somebody actually told him no, he was super. Rich, was super, famous, and very well known and very well liked. But I was not afraid to say you can't do that. You're not like you can't talk to people like that and I saw the people around them who? Felt like they were silent and I'm like. Wow, I forget when you're that big of a celebrity. There's fear that you're going to be. Let out of the or you're going to be kicked out of the light. And once you're kicked out of the light. It's hard to come back in. Yeah Yeah. It's it's. Youth I also think of Lake with the with the people? It's just you can. With the power being a celebrity, you just find other. Yes, people like you're never gonNA hit of. Riley, you're never gonna hit the pert like you're going to run out of people who are going to be like. Shit like Kanye West wants me to help him run a presidential campaign like I'm the noted that like your he's he will find enough people who will say yes. Who will give him the answer that he wants So that's why it's even Scarier Reich's. It could just be kind of an endless cycle, and if there are any truth to his tweets of. Kim's trying to trying to send a doctor. Kim's trying to show up and and he seems like he doesn't want that to happen. But Dave published showing up and he's okay with Dave Chapelle showing up. Will Dave Chapelle if you guys don't remember this, because you guys look pretty young, are you? Yes, we are young Audi five I'm twenty. We'll fight after the show. Hell has struggled with mental health. As. You know to remind you guys out there. He had one of the most successful shows on TV Chanel show, and after two seasons are sorry, three seasons Just up and left and went to Africa. I, don't know where up left went. Africa couldn't deal with it, so I think what happens is congregate. Day Chapelle is one of those people that can say. I've been through something like this right? Let me come here and be here for you because if you haven't been in those shoes. If you haven't walked a mile in where Khan years, he probably won't respect you, Dave. How's egg Yo Bro? I'm here for you. We've talked about this before Avis. Not Threatening dangerous just wants to go there and make sure you're alive. Totally. And he's the person that you do see that. When when Connie had posted that video of them together, it was. For me, personally, it was kind of like who okay he at least is letting. People come to see him. He's at least letting people come to see him that are that know him and are familiar with with his life, and can connect with him and that he's not because you see the tweets in. You're like okay, can can we make sure like we have a check? Where is he okay? was you know people as the alone? He's in Wyoming team, so he's not incurred as-as behind the gates. Yeah you what I mean, but you know we all have that one friend like look. I might not be the friend who is going to tell you to leave your husband I might not be the be the friend who's telling you that you know you made the wrong life decision but I'm going to be the friend who's going to go there with that bottle wine and be like when you're ready to talk about it, we can talk about it if you WANNA. Just sit here and gossip and drink this wine smoked. You know a few cigarettes like I'm down. I'm down to be their friend and I think day. Chapelle is not going there with doctors. He's not trying to go then or is Kanye back to Los Angeles. He's just there with the olive branch saying Yarbrough I. Am here for you? You haven't ally. Let's figure this out when you're ready. Right, now and you know that's what needs right now. And I think like getting him slowly to realize that people are there for him, and not everyone's against him as the best way to go at this point, and we're always rooting for the Kardashian family were ruining for conde like we just are hoping for the best for everybody, because it's a sad situation, all around just remind ourselves that they are human beings, and this is like say your family. Your family sheds got blown up on twitter and the entire world was talking about it you alone. Alone extremely upset so I feel. I own a just a reminder that this is not a TV show or watching. It's like even though it's recorded for one very real people were hoping for the best for them While we're on the subject, we can talk about Jamie Lynn. Spheres who stepped in because she had quoted Nina Parker is actually her her tweet about Conway, who we love, Nina and was absolutely love her, and we also Jamie was just talking about mental health in general that you can't speak about somebody's mental health and then somebody. Added talking about Britney Spears saying well. You haven't spoke about Brittany's mental health and Jamie than said what I'm talking about like. It's not my place. That's why I haven't talked about it and then went on to say that Britney is amazing. She's a boss and we know that about her so it's Kinda goes along with it as well as the Free Brittany Movement. That's been happening right now and I I'm just feeling bad all around for some of these celebrities who are clearly going through a really hard time and are navigating. It is really what it's. twenty any y'all I. Swear to go. When I count my birthdays like twenty twenty is not happening. I'm skipping that year. We are not moving up a letter or a number. I'm chilling at thirty two everyone no right now. Twenty twenty is a hot mess. It's if someone said a dumpster on fire and threw it in a public bathroom it just it's all literally. And I feel so terrible. That when my family are when I have an issue, I am blessed that I can deal with it in the privacy of my own home in my own time, and on my own recourse, these celebrities. Can't do that. They're not only thinking about the issues that they have to deal with, but now they're thinking about public opinion on top of that. So. We do need to give them a grace period, and we do need to say. We're going to back up for six months and let this person get back. You know on the trolley like we can't keep on hammering them because we're GONNA have a two thousand seven two thousand situation that we have we me and that was scary. I thought he was going to die I'm just. y'All were not even born yet probably. I remember I do. Let me. Remind you we those of you. Who are over twenty nine. We almost lost Britney and it was our fault because nobody would let this woman bigger out her life in peace. We were stocking her. We were riding behind her cars in seven cars. We were bombarding her. We were bringing her pink pigs weekday were driving her car for her. Don Samuelson that the Paparazzi like it was the most insane being in the world and I'm like you guys. We almost lost a national treasure. Are you can do the same thing with on us? Let's not use this. LOSE NATIONAL TREASURE BECAUSE WE WANNA story. Absolutely! Franko he'll henry year. Sorry I'm Cecily Zoom. Go ahead Maria I. Think it's just a one hundred percent. Agree with what you said but I also just confused on how to act about Britney Spears. because. Of course you see the Free Brittany stuff and you're like. Oh, my Gosh, and you read all these things about how? She doesn't have control of her life. And it's it's all of these stories and things that are not one hundred percent confirmed to be true, so it feels a little confusing to whether or not to believe free. Brittany, issue being lockdown it. Does she have no say or is that rude to say that? She has no say because we have no idea. But We live in a time where. Kanye West tweet from Wyoming Cody Wyoming in the middle of nowhere. Everyone has a cell phone. If Britney, really wanted. Help and to get out. I feel like Britney Spears between Britney her sister, her mother, who wants to help her her. Two children who are electronically advanced and can use social media and snapchat would put out a tweet. Mother needs your help. Please help my mother. She wants out. If Britney can record a dance video our work video with her twenty five year old boyfriend. She can sneak him a letter that says please call this person and tell them I need to get out. I not jumping to a free Britney moment until Britney tells me she's ready to be free and I will fight for birthday. Right that doesn't yes, absolutely it does make the most sense because everybody just speculates about her when. She has not has not said anything but I think it's you know I don't people for for worrying the she mentioned you mentioned her sons. That are tech savvy. We've we've seen them. Go on on. You know, live on social media and talk about hating his grandfather, so it's just there. Did he say he? Was An asshole right or a day. Yes? He was a Dick. So it's just like you worry because you're like what? You Hope Renews Okay, because clearly she has some. Toxic people in her life not to make a terrible Brittany Pon by saying she has. That was. Good. But I feel like she like you, said the support of her mom and her sister are amazing and Jamie Lynn is so sweet. We have had her on her show. Into is such delight, and she will like have Brittany's back for forever like no matter what. She has report she has that support system you know. I go back and forth with this. Because at one point, I would like her conservative ship to give Britney a little bit more leeway and led her Kinda SORTA. Try to walk on her own a little bit, but I've also heard. The horror stories of what can happen when. Boundaries are put down right and you know I have friends who have been hairstylists who have been dancers who have been on stage crews. That talk about some of these things, but they also talk about how she is aware in house she is commands a room and how she knows what she wants and knows what she wants on her tour in what she wants on this, so if you can choreograph dance and teach twenty dancers a dance, then you can again, you can slip a note that says I'm being held hostage. Khalid's call Harper's bazaar. Right! Yep Yep I. Yeah, I definitely agree it's in. Like like anyways with social media now any kind of conspiracy like that get so much fire underneath it and people become so passionate about it that it's it takes over, and everybody's been there where they've. They've read about something for days on the Internet, and then you finish your lake i. what do I believe like? I spent days reading all this information. All I. Think I just brainwashed myself? Like your brainwashing our own bodies. Great I. I work in the media and I always tell people I work news, I always tell people you have to learn how to read. The news I know that sounds dumb, but even with the political climate that will go that. We're in right now. I have friends who are very smart. who quote beings, and unlike please tell me you not just quote. Fox News in a conversation like. PICK UP THE LA Times. Pick up the new. York Times pick up the Wall Street. Journal understand that everybody is biased on some level. Learn about how their bias and then take the information and make an opinion for yourself. Stop making opinions based on other people's thoughts. Absolutely, Yep, I agree one hundred, and also just like reading. Some people won't even click an article. They'll just read a headline and then all of a sudden from that headlined. The story! Yeah, that's life. headlined. Can't even click the tweet like. Can even click the Lincoln tweet. Can't even click the land rings. Am I, you guys. If you didn't have the nerve to read the article. Why are you here? Why are you having this conversation? no-one invited you to fight with the over Shit. You don't even know you're talking about. Me Like. Oh my God and that's the problem with social media me can't decipher. What is real and what is fake? There was a time. Where I did this experiment because I t was part of the people who just believe what they read and I started realizing that. I would read articles and they would say. Twitter was outraged at bitter DA backlash. people outraged sparks outrage in this may about Boa. And I to the HASHTAG and. There was ten people that bitched about something that the celebrity had did. So from those ten tweets, this publication said outrage. Cancel this person M I wait. Ten tweets is outrage. This, this happens all the time on all. Drives me fucking crazy that when you go to the trending Hashtags, it's like Harry styles is over Party and Chris. Evans is over party to men that I love very much, and then I go when I click them and I know like okay listen. We don't know these people personally, but from what I see on the outside. I think they are two magnificent people. I think that they do great things and I love them. And then you click the Hashtag and it's just a bunch of people saying. Why is this Hashtag? Trendy and you can't even figure out why it's trending. People making it up. Swear to God, I swear to you like I. Literally in my bones I almost got cancelled a month ago. I got off the twitter off twitter. Yeah, I let me tell you like. I was reading this morning to my boyfriend, said to me, he was looking at himself, and he just goes Jack. Dorsey needs to unplug twitter. Just we just end it. It's over. It's a hateful, horrible place now just terrible, moral place and I'm sorry for the people out there because. Part of why I love. My job is I. Get to talk to the fans who tweet into the show and join the conversation, and of course that to me is sixty percent of my job I. enjoy it. I look forward with I. Get validation from it. All of the above you know, but what I find is that one person who gets attention from you for something that they said negative Hewison, coming back from war and it encourages. To, get your attention that way. Because nine times out of ten of you call somebody out for something nasty. They said they want to apologize and want you to follow them and I'm so sorry and I can't believe. I did every time every time you know for myself. I got a lot of backlash recently not a lot. said a lot because twitter set a lot. Yeah. Read about some you know the Vanda pump rules bullshit. Everybody you know was saying. Cancel them, fire them. Throw them off. The show and I'm like. Why would you do that? Like keep them on the show. Show their lives. You know losing endorsements losing brands having their podcast taken away from them. Why don't you show the repercussions of what it means? You know what I mean. Like it's. It's a good point that you bring up because I feel like I mean Fran. Get caught up in this, too. It's like. You know we don't agree with anything. They said so. We're like yeah, of course should be off the show, but then when you put it like that where it's like well, people can learn from watching them. Yeah, then it's a whole you point. I'm sorry sixteen pregnant. Was Not a show that we were like. Yeah, let's Yell my God. This doubt true, so is your what sixteen and pregnant did was it put these kids on the show to show the hardships of being pregnant as a teenager, and then to roll into teen mom yet they make money, and they're on a show, but guess what this still dealing with the same shit that most teen moms are dealing with it. You know what I mean and I just don't believe in cancelling people in firing people because they are racist. No I want to see them. Get punished on national TV I. WanNa see them having to talk to their bosses in their coworkers about the negative things they said about other people at other races I want to see them go through lawsuits, and all the other things that come from you know brands dropping them and going through all those hardships. Why can't we have this teachable moment? Because if you're telling me, all that happens is. Canceled and I get fired, and it gets a walk out Scot, free. That's no fun. That's like going to court for committing a crime and someone saying you're guilty. Okay, go home! Right. Right like okay now just go to your house, and and you can continue to live your life. As you did before. Yeah. Yeah yeah that's. A totally different way to think about it, and it's and it's so true because it's just like it would be really interesting to see. An, even just to see like important conversations. Maybe they get talked to some of the people that they that they. Clearly wronged, and and if it says Hus, fuck, you guys than we get then then that's it. We get to like yes. Faith team fades right when people get to see it, we. But like listen look at the Banda. POMPEU IS CAST. The Vanderbilt rules cast is diverse ish. Ish. It's. You know I'm sure if they come back. They're going to be more diverse than they were but I'm sure the point I was trying to make is. Just! Probably you know someone in there. That was Jewish. Are had someone in their family that that is Jewish. That was hurt by what style put on in on that costuming on that an instagram story. There was probably somebody who knows are dated are has a family member who is black. who was offended by what they did to fate? Let been confront those people. You know what I mean I. We forget bad and I hate to say this because. I hate to point out anybody you know. What I'm going to say is. We are so quick to cancel because we WANNA. Make the public happy with beings, and we've forget where things are rooted from reality. TV started basically with the real world. You took five motherfuckers. You put a gay person in there. You put a homophobic there. You put a racism there. You put a black lesbian and yet put a Asian lady in a house and you wanted them. To work out their differences on TV, you wanted the world to see what happens. When five strangers from five different walks of life were put in a house and May to go at it and talk about the issues that we were afraid to talk about. Why in twenty twenty have we come so far in life yet? We're too afraid to let. People have those same conversations that we were loving in nineteen, ninety, five and ninety seven. You know what I mean, right and I feel like. We about this before. Like reality, TV was never supposed to be the voice of reason like we watch reality TV shows for trash, and for like drama, and for Shit that we don't agree with, but it's entertaining so i. I think that's important to remember, and we remind people all the time like they're not your superheroes. They're not the people you should be looking up to, but yeah they're entertaining. Fuck, Mama June is smoking crack on. Yeah. Literally and no one is like Oh. My God Mama June smoking crack. Cancel her doing illegal drugs on television. And say they're like. No, no, we're GONNA. Show this this real light. These are Mrs affecting people around the world. We watched people with opioid addictions. Go through reality television. Let's watch. A racist are somebody WHO's racially insensitive. have to deal with the consequences of what they did. Let's come on. Let's let somebody else learn this. Let's let a hard conversation happened in someone else's home with a kid me and Mike Wives. Everyone Matt her and a mom BMI. 'cause crazy and she's races. Yeah Well Justin. Thank you for bringing up that point because even opened up my eyes to that a little bit more because I feel like we all fall into the like. Wow, this person, even though like Ma, Ma Been. canceled. Like Ocean. Maybe canceled, really agree with the cancellation thing, either because it's like you make one mistake, and I think that you should be able to learn from that and become a better person routes. What's the point of becoming a better person if you can never? Know, what you did or show it like it's a little confusing, so yeah, the the twitter thing. I think that's where a lot of it stems from is just twitter in general, and it goes back to what we saying is. It's just a crazy place. a ton of hate and canceling. Chris Evans in Harry Styles for no reason I mean. Canceling, seventeen year old kids I don't know how any of these poor TIKTOK stars like our go on with their lives, they're they're seventeen years old, and they have like hundreds of thousands of other fifteen year. Olds on twitter being like you're over like teen. Meanwhile the same fifteen year olds probably done the same shit they have, and they would be so upset if they were gonNA, go about for and once again there seventeen years old. Why anybody thinks any seven year old, fifteen or six year old has figured out and let me just let you know something I'm so lucky. This is where I'm happy that older than you hoes. I didn't have to go through life with Dick Todd in with social media, and my place came out by junior in high school. That's how old. Black as Nearly Sophomore, year but back then no one had laptops it literally I had a razor phone. That stage charged for four days. Four days. Four days that bricks they charge afford as there was. No Am was the closest thing we had to anything and you were cool. If you had a blackberry, okay? Jerry. So I didn't grow up with technology in my face, and feeling the constant pressure to perform and be liked and get followers, and you know we mentally compare ourselves. Sarah friends when I wrote my friend Scott cars. It hurt my feelings. You know the normal things. My friends boobs and I didn't get them. I was hurt as a like those things really. Bucked us when we were kids. If I had to go through life. Wondering and seeing how many people follow my peers? My peers, you know, be ninety being not being invited to a slumber party was hard. Imagine when kids don't follow you. Don't run on or don't give you the same attention that that that to me adds a whole layer of. Something that the kids are going to have to deal with for the rest of their lives. That's hard. War It definitely was something that I grew up with in high school where it was like Oh. You don't follow me on instagram. You didn't like my picture. That person doesn't follow me a warlike. My boyfriend like Oh, you like to not person's picture, and it was just way more present in which like. I don't know if I had half the fights I did if it wasn't for like Oh I saw your snapchat story and I wasn't invited. One hundred percent, and I bet you now, and I see this out of the kind of smart, because we all had different things to deal with I, bet you, it's shaped you if you go back and you look at your life now and see how you interact or people in the things that you need from other people like I had to validate and I had to soothe myself and I had to give myself confidence. The generation that you guys are are growing up in is unique dilation from other people. That's just who you guys are as a generation. Because you grew up with the likes and the comments and all of these things like. It's Gnarly to think about as much as I hate growing up. It I couldn't imagine growing up the way you guys will. magically taken a DICK PIC at. All like I hear about these kids who are taking. Photos in Bikini photos and sending them around. y'All. Go in. I remember when we were in sixth grade. This came out that somebody in my some a girl in my grade sent a guy nude pictures, and we were mine blown like I could not believe the story I was hearing. It was the most dramatic day of my life I. Remember saying to my sister was like. Can you believe? Do you think she's older like? Would you ever do that? Just laughed in my face. Because at the time I was like just a sixth grader like figuring out, and I was like what the hell is happening. This is insane, crazy, but the magic question. How did she send me photo? Be a phone bff own on. An iphone at the time so in six grade. If I had to send a nude photo, I would have to take it with a polaroid. Grow into the. Yeah. Go to the place. Get developed and pay the extra three bucks for them to put it on a Kodak CD then I would have to get this. That's my house. Loaded into the cd-rom download setup auto and then send votto via email. If that doesn't take you out of the mood out of nowhere. Just too much work. By, the the climax over after that point, it's like we're way. Past is taking much one hundred percent and ladies. I'm telling you this right now because I know you guys are at the age where men's are asking you to send nasty photos, honey, go on Tumbler. There are millions of other women who have shared their nasty photos as a profession who? knows. Do not put you on the Internet. No. Our big on the. Forever, Time, we're like we don't know what Macleod has. That cloud. Cloud literally like. You. Think you deleted from the cloud now? The cloud still has it. Also has it we have to. Really it's crazy. We have to really check ourselves. And sometimes I getting off. Twitter was such a relief to me and now what I do, my instagram is if I post something I leave it there for a few out. There and I'm GONNA check back at five o'clock. I'm not going to go in to see where it is, and where it ranks, and I had to get myself out of that whole situation, especially working on TV like you have to really honestly just be comfortable with yourself, and you have to work really hard to not need that validation. In this community this climb it. Just can't right and I feel like that's a great lesson to take away from this whole conversation, even going back to Kanye and the tweets and just everything in general is like worry about yourself and people's opinions on the Internet. They don't matter if you WanNa, think something about something for yourself. Don't let somebody else influence which we all have done before. We've all let other people's. Our own. Make your own opinions. Don't worry about other people. Just. We kept you well over your time, so. Thank you so much. This add so much with you. Guys in you know just. US to. Way will love it. Have you anytime? I was GonNa say I was going to say that we. I've listened to so many times on Con- comments by slabs because we absolutely adore Emma Julia. Girls we've loved them and we were like you know what I'm like every time like. Three then have so much fun. We got up just on our show, so we'll. We'll definitely have you back. We'll definitely back. Maybe we'll do something with comments by slabs as well. Girls No we should I love those I ride hard. I like you know what I like young women who? have taken a pastime and made it a bit like a business. You know what I mean. You guys have done it. And I respect you and when I found out, you were twenty, five and twenty two I was little. Know these these are the women who are shaping the world behind them and more young women need to know that you could be independent and strong and make world for yourself, and you guys are doing that and I will support it at any moment I will ramble I will rambler, but I'm coming aboard it. I love it. Thank you so so so much, Justin and we. We had a blast like we said. We're definitely going to have you back on everyone. Check out the daily pop, which is on Weekdays at twelve thirty eastern time, also check out justice SIP. You can download it anywhere that you got a podcast episodes on Wednesdays, and thank you so much for joining us. Thank you, guys. That was so much fun. Yeah, thank you just saying. At a great time, not my Cova test. As, you guys know. We absolutely love Monster Energy. I was GONNA. Say Fuck loved Monster Energy I. Don't know if I'm allowed to curse during mess but I. Will I'm going to do it anyway just to emphasize how much we truly love. Monster Energy, especially Monster Energy Ultra. You guys know that we were talking about them for a long time. Specifically, the purple the Violet can which tasted like purple Pixie. Stick in my opinion, now they. They are back with two new flavors as well that also take tastes absolutely amazing. We have the ultra Arosa and the ultra fiesta, the ultra Rosa tastes like a pink starbursts, and it just has these really surprising and sweet flavor like I said it tastes like a Ping starburst. It tastes like candy in your mouth, but it's also free of sugar, which means there is zero sugar in these drinks, but they taste amazing it tastes. Tastes like it has sugar in it. which is the perfect balance because you know that you want to don't want to be taking in too much sugar, but you want that sweet taste tastes like candy to fill those cravings. These drinks are perfect for you. There's also the ultra fiesta, which is a smooth, a mango flavor, and it's so good and so refreshing especially for a summer day, and like we said we also love the ultraviolet. Ultraviolet take appropriate pixie segments, my personal favorite and the ultra paradise, which is also amazing, so guys just reminder to keep drinking those monster energy ultra drinks. Try Out the new flavors. Try out the old ones all the different flavors. They have to have the zero. which white can't sunrise red blue? Whatever it is get that Monster Energy Ultra in your system for your Friday energy, and for that zero. Shut drink in your life. We are here with special guest and recurring guest. Now Chase stokes welcome back. I feel like I need an honorary position on chicks office now by this this I need. A friend of the program now I think it needs a stronger title if if we can do that like I, just tune in and be like. Thanks ladies. Yes perfect I used to always talk about the weather, and we made fun of me so if we had a new person to do the weather, that would be fantastic. Can you give us an update right now? Supersonic, superhuman here and I. Feel like I might melt so back and. Where are you right now? So I'm currently North Carolina. we broke quarantine kind of come back to the South I was visiting some family down Florida in now working on a project up here so Actually Matt is up there somewhere, but. doing something cool and you guys elect. Nice, and since you brought up Mattie right away. We're going to ask you because well. First of all I'll say I'll say this last night. I had a dream about this interview before it happened and I called you like a snake gas. HOW IN MY DREAM ASK? Everybody like everybody was so mad like all of your people were like. Why would you do that? And I was like it was a joke so I'm not really like now. Just repeated all. But it out. So I was like I can't believe you didn't tell us. You guys were both on at the same time, but I completely understand because you know you guys wanted to keep it private. It's it's your relationship and I totally respect and understand that, but then you guys went public with it, and we were over the moon, the relatives we actually had just recorded. Listen episode, ask by. How do you and I were on the phone? 'cause I was in Orlando and she was back at home in Charleston it and she was like. Oh, the girls are mad at us. Like. Oh. Job The ball on. You know it was you know it was one of those things kind of tossed around for a little bit like we do it now, and do we not and you know we just kind of wanted to take our time with it and make sure that everything's sort of laid out properly, and then obviously I'm going to tell the story about my mom night, capacity, wine and She's like you won't do it and as I. Watch this cold. Okay so I, it's. It's so funny, because like Ria said like, and it's not even as less of us, it's US personally we anytime. We record something and then like thirty seconds later. Something happens. We're like. We're like we're like. Oh, we gotta go back in and fix it. So is so funny. We recorded the whole thing and then and then I just went back in and was like a PSA. Everyone twenty minutes after we recorded this. They said they're dating, so please listen to that with this. You guys had it all figured out like okay. First of all, we have done a pretty horrible job of keeping it a secret I think there's like a a an instagram account that's specific just like Mattie wearing faces close and so You know. We really kind of dropped the ball on that. But. Yeah, it was It was pretty interesting. Yeah I I. DON'T GIVE US too much credit. For detective work I feel like. It was. Laid out? Right totally yeah, I mean i. feel like everyone else figured it out for us, but it's fine. Because I actually do remember sorry. There's sirens going off but I. do remember right after we interviewed you. Both everyone was hitting us up like. Do you think they're dating from their chemistry with you guys like? Do you think that they have something like? Is there something going on? And Fran and I like honestly they might just really good friends. We were so deliver. Yeah. You guys where you as a great job. Cheese you are in front of a whole situation over there looks amazing Iraq and sweet. Shirt, can you tell us? What exactly sweet earth is and what you are doing with them. Yeah, so sweeter is a plant based company, and they're launching some new projects products. My projects products right now, being the mindful chicken and the awesome, Burger, which are my personal favorites. They have like a crazy variety of products that they have on their website. sweet sweet earth foods dot com in for me as you guys. Guys know my schedule's pretty crazy. So I have a sensitive stomach so for me. It's about finding something that kind of works at my Diet I'm not completely planned based, but I do like to kind of dabble into it. I'm living in La as you guys in New York. Like you know there's speaking places and not necessarily being Vegan you're gonNA. Try it out. Check it out in this is one of those things that I got my hands on it and it was super easy time protein to keep with my diet for obviously whatnot I'm just fell in love with the products that they they're actually really good, and that's kind of the most important thing for me is to have access to easy good tasting food That's good for my body that I can. Can consistently eat so I'm super obsessed that they right now. It is also a fun part of working with a you know. A company is actually enjoying the product a lot so literally. We've been doing this this music video. Spoil it. We're working with Google. Doing something super cool. might be new music video. Maybe you not in my God. You guys I'm I could cry because. Kyko first of all time who is a genus number, one love, cargo and number two. He's done such a good job with his music videos like really tying in real life. People like the last one when last ones he did was with Camille, caustic and GRONK. That was amazing. So, wow, wow, that's huge I'm so excited. Miss so we're doing that, but no, we got together and because of the quarantine that we have to do like fictions and regulations. I can't leave the location. I'm at so to have sweeter. Send me a bunch of stuff and the partner with them, especially during the been awesome, because I'm getting healthy meals that I need that. I wouldn't be able to access to because of the quarantine and it's just consistent, and it tastes good so I'm Kinda like hitting all the second all the boxes. Love it and I feel like this is really good for people to know about right now because i. feel like everyone's in the same boat where they're like. Listen I've been eating like Shit, all of quarantine and I really got to get my body in check and just gotTa start eating the right things. That's actually where I was yesterday I was like. Where do I start and maybe I'll start, it's. All everything aside like I even if I wasn't partnering with them, the products are are really really good, and the burgers taste like burgers. The chicken tastes like chicken like I definitely for the first two times I tried the chicken like am I getting like spoof to this actually chicken and I'm just limousine with me. so for me like to have a plant based product. That's easy ICAN toss microwave. You can throw a so you can toss it on a grill whatever you have available like it all works at all really good and I feel better like I've lost. justify. Lost Nine pounds since nineteen started like eating a lot of these products so I'm. It's been cool to kind of watch. Transformation it as well. Damn I love that and guys. If you're listening and you WANNA try sweet earth, what is the website they could go to? It's it's sweeter. FOODS DOT COM available in stores nationwide, and it's more than just the stuff you see behind me. They've done of different options. All plant based all super tasty, all actually high protein so. Check it out. Check it out and if you do tag chase tag, let everyone know you're trying it out and before we let you go. Can we just get a little update on Outer Banks Season to? You guys know as much as me. I'm literally panicking like waiting to hear more. As you guys know and it's been in the media. We've been writing scripts. I haven't had access to it yet. So I am poking the bear, so netflix's. If you want to, you know. Get the ball rolling that'd be super cool, but obviously you know safe and in a good environment because fo vid thing. We don't want to take any chances in south. Carolina's steadily rising in cases, so think that's the most important thing for us is just to do it safe securely, and hopefully fingers crossed. Nobody gets sick. Kazakov be super, Super Bad. Yeah, absolutely and a season two is happening. We can assume at this point. I would like to say yes, but until Netflix's me the email. Right sort of sitting here. I think. Right that they it would be crazy I if it wasn't like you said I think everybody realistically knows that a lot of their favorite shows. It is going to take a while for things to pick back up. Obviously so hopefully, people are respectful of that. We just been crazy chase like we talked to you. kind of I guess a really was ready to be kind of the beginning of everything blowing up, and it's because we you know you and Mattie even said. We haven't even been outside like. We haven't even really interact with people. People have encinas they the. Fame element hasn't kicked in yet I. Mean it just instagram follower. Wise guys have. been raised. No, it is, it is definitely completely changed our lives. We've had you know quite a few experiences out in about like. Obviously since the regulations have dropped a little bit in certain areas we've been privacy is a thing of the best people know my car. They found my parents house they drive by locations that we've been at screaming at us I'm trying to think of some of that. We hotel for a little bit in a group of kids as waiting in the lobby for us. so it's very different than where it was last time we connected so How do you guys handling all? It's cool. You Know I. Think it's one of those things where like ads and artists, and as you guys know the podcast like you put something out, and you are incredibly vulnerable, and just let the world sort of taken in right and more times than not the world is just Kinda like. so to have a project that is doing what Outer Banks. Stan is super super heartwarming. Super Thankful for it, so it's been awesome, but he is for usual. Thank you so much for hanging out with me today. Let's do it again. Maybe a pocket us. Miami matty can come on and finally spills tea and talk about. -solutely, or we need that to happen will set it up soon. Thank you for joining us again. Thanks chase good. All right that wraps up today's episode of chicks in the office. We hope you enjoyed it. We hope you had a fun time and just reminder tag us in those post. We will riposte you, and if you're drinking Francia tag us in that as well. We hope you have an amazing weekend and we'll talk to guys on Monday your insecure. Pets when you walk through the. Don't make up. Cub. That? Is. Oh. Me! You? You. Your. Concern ME. LYDA. Nobody, as The to flip. Your hair gets me. and smile at the grounded in Heart. Pop.

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A global pandemic. A scattered response.

POLITICO's Pulse Check

17:56 min | Last month

A global pandemic. A scattered response.

"Hello pulse check listeners. This is Dan diamond. Welcome to our special pulse check series on the corona virus outbreak. Today I'm in conversation with my colleagues Carmen Pon who authors our new global pulse newsletter Jeremy Siegel from our daily dispatch podcast we're looking at the state of the pandemic globally and how the US response compares to other countries from across the world. Here's. that. Conversation. Carmen Pawn Dan Diamond can I ask you a question? Yes. Go for it. If you had to wait out the pandemic anywhere in the world, where would you? The first thing that comes to mind is Maldives for a few years ago but then looking back, you know like it was beautiful but it was a small island and I think we got bored towards the fourth day safe. I would have to stay there for two years that would not be the best one. That would be pretty. I got it. I would be I would be in Bali. Ideally, it's it's bigger more things to do and. Still an island. So hopefully, it can still keep away the curves. All Right Dan, what do you got? Is this supposed to be hard? I mean New Zealand. They're the one place in the world that you can walk around safely for months now. With only the mildest of Colonel Virus. Outbreaks. Not just for. Sanity. But for safety I I'm surprised. I was about ninety percent. Sure. You were going to say the set of the Bachelorette. Paul just below I'll apologize if I wasted your time all her to you. But I'm not gonNA Apologize. Ever. I May I may not be able to live that down they do have a set there, but it's the set for the Hobbit Oh yeah which I've wandered around. Laws in my dining room. Some. Heads idea of a chuck. E. Say. Nine, which is, which is another. Another show of people being forced to live together and perhaps. Unusual comfortable. When I'm guessing your answer to this question, we'll probably explain why you're not going to wait out the pandemic here but what is the current corona virus situation in the US Dan? It's bad. Jeremy cases are spiking again nationally, the rise and the infection rate is rapidly filling hospitals in eight states. The exceptions being Hawaii, California, Arizona Idaho. Wyoming north. Dakota Georgia and Vermont, we weren't. Able as a country to bring the threshold of new cases below about forty thousand cases per day and at times. Recently, it's up over seventy thousand new cases per day. So we are heading into looks like a potentially bad winter of more cases spreading as people are indoors as we can't do life outside the same way. I'm in Minnesota right now where it's been snowing. The year always brings some excitement maybe kind of Oh. My Gosh moment snowflake spell across the twin cities from Bloomington to Maple Grove Minneapolis and Saint Paul and Midwestern states have been really hard hit in the past couple of weeks. They're hitting their highs of new Cases University of Michigan this week effectively threw in the towel on in person students structure emergency stay at home order has been issued for all undergraduate students. County health officials say students must to stay in their homes and residents halls with few exceptions in meanwhile in states like New York and New Jersey, which already hard hit infections are starting to creep back up. So from a volume perspective were not in a great place, I will say the silver lining such as it is, is that mortality death rates from Cova have? Fallen as it appears, physicians are getting better at treating the disease and there is some hope on the horizon to that therapeutics will continue to be rolled out. That will help treat the disease and vaccines will soon arrive. That could really contain the spread of the virus Carmen what our case is like in other countries across the world are we seeing similar spikes to? What we're seeing in the US yes. The worst affected region of the world right now seems to be Europe countries across Europe are imposing tighter restrictions in the hope of slowing the spread of the coronavirus. As cases continue to rise they are almost every day. Now, new restrictions announced in different countries. France has recorded a new high of thirty, two thousand cases in. A single day authorities there have brought in a curfew in major cities requiring all public spaces to be shot by nine. PM Ireland imposed the countrywide log down again Czech Republic is doing something similar So things are getting pretty bad again in Europe having been in Europe, when this whole started and and seeing every day that there were new measures and new restrictions. Hitting around I feel like it's a driveway and to be fair would you and honest I'm happy that I'm not there anymore because I think we all have a bit of A. Traumatic stress related to long bounds and everything being closed overnight and and different measures being put in place other regions seem to be doing a better. There have been decreases in Africa in the Western Pacific but overall, the number of cases globally bream as high. It's interesting what you're saying you know you said cases are rising, but then also when you're talking about Europe. Their new lockdown restrictions that's not something I feel like we've been seeing in the US despite the reason spikes in cases how would you say other countries responses right now compare to what's happening in the US and is there anything that you think America can learn here I? Think it really depends because it has to be really related to the situation on the ground if. It's a cluster in a certain area that you can address without you know locking down the whole city over the whole state. That's probably the way to go Europe I remember in in May I was writing already about experts looking at the second wave and they were actually hoping for example in Belgium that they would be able to see where it cost there is happening. And try to decrease transmission there without having to log down the whole country again, and it looks like unfortunately, they weren't really able to So I would say that they're probably similarities between between Europe and the United. States. Obviously. Overall looks like the United States has been more reluctant to impose log bounds because of all the economic and social hardships that it brings a lockdown. Are doing tremendous damage to these Democrat run stage where they're locked out sealed up suicide rates, drug rates, alcoholism death by so many different forms. You can't do that but in terms of being able to test track cases, quarantine people that have been in contact with someone that was confirmed infected. It looks to me like Europe and the United States have similar issues I was listening to a brief from the world health. Organization earlier this week. Halo every body. This is further shape speaking to you from WHO headquarters in Geneva and coming you to our covid nineteen press conference today Monday nineteen October. They're actually comparing North America and Europe would. Advantage in Asia and again I think communities in Asia. Do. have higher levels of trust and compliance in government, and they've tended to be able to implement furlong or some of the measures that have been required of them in terms of their own behavior and there are saying that why many countries in Asia have been successful like? South Korea or if you also consider New Zealand is because they did. Early on tried to look at this clusters and tried to decrease transmission before it was hard to control before it had already spread to you know the whole city or in a whole country in Japan, they've really focused on cluster investigation focused on really breaking clusters and learning from those clusters. What's driving super spreading events in Japan and they also did the WHO officials were saying is that once they decrease transmission then just relax they actually kept their facilities open and every time they'll be a new case they would. Do a lot of tests and tracing of the context and trying to isolate them to make sure it doesn't again spread out of control. So the WHO says there's definitely stuff we can learn from other countries when it comes to controlling the spread I mean Dan Right. Now, even though there is a significant rise in cases in the US, we're not really seeing new restrictions at all in the country's still struggling with things like contact tracing and getting people on board with the public safety measures we do have in place. What do you think the difference between what's happening here and happening elsewhere tells us about how the country is treating the pandemic Jeremy I think it tells us that we're having a very different conversation than the conversation countries that have more successfully combated it. I was watching the prime minister debate between the two leading candidates in New Zealand a few weeks ago, and this debate actually aired the same night as the first presidential debate between Joe Biden, and president trump, and in this New Zealand debate the moderator asked both candidates who I should say we're both women. Asked what they would do if there was a corona virus outbreak at Christmas time in one of the nation's big cities, Judy Collins what would you do if you were prime minister in that situation? Well, in that case, if there's a community outbreak, some Christ should have to lockdown Christ church and both candidates agreed we have to lock down we have to interrupt people's Christmas time because it's more. Important to protect the country to impose these restrictions to keep people alive but I think you do have hefty put people's health. I in fact, one of the candidates just send ardor and even said I would do what I already did which has moved to lockdown. Do exactly what I did in the real life scenario we already hit a resurgence plan and we activated it and to split screen that. Joe Biden Donald Trump being asked about shutdowns and Biden's answer being more in line with that approach and Donald Trump. Meanwhile arguing that shutdowns our political attack on him he wants to shut down the country more people will be hurt by continuing. If you look at Pennsylvania if you look at certain states that have been shut down, they have Democrat governors all one of the reasons this shutdown is because they want to keep it shut down until after the election November. Is have gone to another. State Democratic Governors trying to hurt their economies in an effort to weaken his reelection bid I. mean we're just literally a world apart and I do think there's some element of fatigue as Carmen gets to. We are months into this outbreak. It is a dangerous and deadly and very sneaky virus that is incredibly hard to contain and anyone would be wearing down in months of efforts and of diligence and trying to fight it but will republican governors in the states have had to deal with is not just their own challenge of trying to tamp down a public health problem but. The messaging very much on the right from conservatives from people like Donald Trump that locking down is anti-american that its against freedom. So we've seen a lot of republican governors in boxes where they might want to do more, but they're constrained by the rhetoric around Corona virus at the same time that these stark differences and how the US and other world leaders are handling the pandemic of emerged. There's also been a pretty big shift in America's role on the global stage particularly at the W. H. O., the World Health Organization which President Trump recently announced the US was withdrawing from. Carmen. In your reporting on how the pandemic is being handled and affecting countries across the world. What sort of power gap have you seen emerge as a result of trump's actions here with the WHO and who is filling it? It is indeed Apollo Gab. Usually the US would be the leader. There was send their experts in the country having an outbreak and they would try to you know help them wash their before it spreads out and that hasn't happened here obviously it. was also because early in the pandemic, as much as the US and other countries wanted to send their experts into China they weren't really received with open arms until a bit later So we've seen we've seen the Europeans trying to step in the European. Commission has organized fundraisers with the world, Health Organization to be able to develop vaccines and medicines and diagnostics The UK actually announced that they will increase the funding to the WHO by a third. In, the next four years and Germany is trying to take a leadership role by saying, we need to be more involved into WHO and we need to take the rest of the European Union countries with us at the same time China's also stepping in There's this global program called Kovacs trying to get access to vaccines to all countries at the same time once they become available and the WHO and other international organisations running it are trying to get all countries rich and poor to be part of it and China as part of it has four vaccines in very late stage trials. Out of the Lovin that are in phase three right now. But the US which so far to our knowledge has put the most money into developing vaccines has stayed out. So there's definitely a lack of leadership that Europe Europe and potentially China are trying to fill but we'll see how that plays out in the months to come. There is an election in the US in less than two weeks president trump in Joe. Biden obviously have major differences in how they plan to fight the pandemic and how they plan to coordinate with other countries and organizations like the WHO Dan would you say the US's global standing and its role as a health leader. is on the line in this election absolutely I moderated a virtual panel last week for the Milken, institute that included Peggy Hamburg the former FDA chief under President Barack Obama as well as John McCain song the head of the Africa CDC. So Africa's version of the the US CDC and this topic came up in our planning calls it came up on the panel and Peggy who again to be clear worked for President Obama she made the point that you could trace the rise and fall of global engagement to who was in the Oval Office and the amount of global work that needs to be done to detect and combat are merging diseases. The US historically has played Carmen said played a major role in leading that effort and being A. Global Support System we are playing less of that. Now, we have pulled out of these international organizations and that has a signaling effect well beyond what we do on Cova nineteen and Jonah Kanga Song, the head of the Africa CDC he used to work for the US CDC and I, asked him what did he make of the trump administration's efforts to meddle with the did? That hurt his work his ability to trust what the US was putting out, and he said absolutely that this, this is a problem that resonates beyond the states. So between our engagement with global health organizations, as well as the stewardship of US health groups under the president booth of those will play a major role and how the world perceives the United States on healthcare moving forward. All right that is our show for this week I'm Dan Diamond and my thanks to my colleagues, carbon pond and Jeremy Siegel for joining me on this episode. Jenny amount is our senior producer and Irene Noguchi is our executive producer. To. 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Mondays with Mo- March 2, 2020

Scoops with Danny Mac

07:53 min | 9 months ago

Mondays with Mo- March 2, 2020

"Hit a home run and get pre-approved for your next refinance or home purchase at the home loan expert Dot Com. Enjoy the PODCAST. It's a Monday and a chance to visit with the president of baseball operations. John Mosaic in. Mo- will jump right into it. Camp is often run in the Games are off and running your impressions of this camp so far. Well I feel like the the overall camp pace and what we're getting accomplished has been great. I mean obviously one of the themes are always gonNA hear about spring. Training is can we minimize the injuries? Can we minimize those those small things that keep players out of games and so you know? I think that's GonNa be really the big task for us is. It is just getting through this as you know three weeks from today we're playing an exhibition game in Dallas and then Three weeks from Thursday we open in Cincinnati. So it's coming quick and and You know definitely WANNA see guys getting back on that field like Matt Carpenter hopefully Miller's injury isn't isn't something that's GonNa Linger too long but you know as we start getting closer to that opening day the most important thing is is making sure the right people are getting the right work and right amount of work and that's obviously something that we're very focused on at this point. Gyro Muno Sin. How is Miles Michael? Speaking of those injuries so moon Osa situation's a little bit Greier at the moment We'll learn more about that Hopefully in the next couple days to have a better sense of of how long you know my my my fingers are crossed that It it's not something that's GonNa Derail him for a long period of time but we need more information and in terms of Michalis. Yeah you asked about miles and Actually spoke with him this morning. And you know. He's told me he's feeling better. But obviously is Somewhat Limited in baseball activity. So I think Sometime next week. We'll start putting him through some tests and see like where he is from a from a healing standpoint before we decide on what the next baseball stuff looks like. Paul de Young Mo is off to a great start in this camp and other homerun yesterday. He's up to three. What adjustments have you seen with Paul coming into this camp to get him to a different level in the spring training at the plate? We know Paul. He's been someone that's been down here in Jupiter I think since December he's been working on a swing Obviously a strike zone he Is doing some experimental stuff with some some new technologies and? I just think his confidence of of how he's approaching. 'cause at bath is something that's very high and and so that's great to see and it's also positive to to make sure that that he is utilizing some of these new tools we have in camp and so. I'm pleased about that and Hopefully he can continue to have success but most importantly it's taking a good spring into the season. How much fun is this? Been for you to watch your young outfielder Dylan Carlson. He's off to a great start in this camp. You know really. I think from an outfield standpoint. A lot of our our young outfielders are doing well. But you know Dylan is someone that I think. A lot of people got to lay eyes on last year. So I don't think it's really a surprise to people that have been around what he's potentially capable of doing but you know it's nice to see him doing what he's doing and I think people will realize why we're excited about. What are you most impressed with from your seat as you evaluate Dylan? What is most impressed you in this campaign watching him play? It's not so much just camp. I I mean I think when you make judgments based on solely camp. It's it might not be in everyone's best interest but I would say to you that when when you get to watch dylan play. I've been lucky enough to see him at double edge Last year and also are majorly camp last year as well. But he's a young man. That really just understands the game very high baseball like you. You can tell. He grew up around the game. So I just think from an instinctive standpoint. He's he's really on top of it. And so you know I think when you look at him and you see how he interacts with major league players. You can see why it's very natural fit. Because he is someone that the learning curve is is is is something that he's picking up quicker than maybe others. What is is his best position or is there one we. We've seen them all over and camp in left center right does does he have a position. That best suits him. You know I think right now. Giving himself the flexibility to play all three positions is probably in best interest and the organization's best interest but if you're asking me long-term because of of his arm strength. I could see him and his power. You can actually see them profile into the right field position. Long-term sure Keith. Law just came out with and I'm sure you get a kick out of all the rankings. But he he put the cardinals minor league system in in the top ten. That's the one thing that everybody's talking about down here from my perspective is just the young young talent that you have coming. I'm sure that's it's gotta be funding gratifying to see these guys perform and perform at a high level. These young players in the depth that you've been able to create you know I did not read. Keith's ranking yet. But I had someone mentioned it to me this morning and you know that's great. I mean obviously our goal is to have a strong and robust minor league system and I think people like yourself who are down here and and and you get to to watch some of these younger players and what they're doing you see why we internally are very excited about them so you know I I really feel like are are minor. League system is is clearly one of our strengths but more importantly Given sort of the the the the difficulties we've had over the last couple of years on on losing some draft picks and so forth. It's nice to see that that that we're still able to have success. In drafting players developing players not only from domestic market but also internationally wrap it up with this. There's a couple of pitchers that have really caught my eye. I'm sure they've caught years too and they've had success in the big leagues before. And that's Austin Gombar and Daniel. Pon steely owned. What have you seen from those two in this camp? Just generally speaking well as you can imagine. I mean they're both guys that are looking to be on the on the big league roster and I think for. They came into this camp knowing that that they have a chance to to to earn a spot here and so I think they're confidence of knowing that they're that chance of something that's coming out. You're seeing it in their performance and that's great to see so you know. I think both guys have you know unique skills one from the left side. One from the right but Certainly glad that they've gotten off to a good start early on mo thanks. We'll catch up next Monday. Always appreciate it sounds great. Thank you lean. Mclaughlin here to tell you about the hometown automotive family. I trust the most the loop Hughes Automotive Network and you know they are saying Louis loop us has been a part of Saint Louis for over seven decades. They're proud to support Saint Louis in the surrounding areas with cars youth. Sports and charitable efforts. 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'Profitability in the back half of next year': BuzzFeed CEO Jonah Peretti (and Verizon Media CEO Guru Gowrappan) on their big merger

The Digiday Podcast

1:13:23 hr | Last week

'Profitability in the back half of next year': BuzzFeed CEO Jonah Peretti (and Verizon Media CEO Guru Gowrappan) on their big merger

"Hello and welcome to a special episode of the digital podcast. I'm kelly barbara senior reporter with today. Last thursday we had a big piece of merger news. Come down the pike feet announced. It was acquiring huffpost in all-stock deal. That would also give verizon media a minority stake in buzzfeed. We wanted to hear from both sides of the transaction. So are bringing you to interviews in one episode. i. I'll be interviewing buzzfeed. Ceo jonah peretti. Who had actually co-founded huffpost before founding buzzfeed and after that my podcast go host. Tim peterson will interview huffpost seller bryson media group. Ceo guru guru pon the first high jona. Welcome to the show. Thanks for joining us. So i think what's largely different about the two brands is that buzzfeed will be profitable this year Thanks to a really strong third and fourth quarter But huffpost has been losing money over the past few years And i know it took a while before buzzfeed was able to get out of the red and get into the black itself but i was curious like well this acquisition end up dragging buzzfeed back into the red at all. I think it's clear that huffpost brand and audience is bigger than its business. And that's a huge opportunity for us. It gives us the ability to start to layer in the things that have made buzzfeed profitable this year. You layer that across across the huffpost business So our commerce business is really taken off our licensing business we are deal with lionsgate and some of the other studio work doing is very promising for the future. I think there's a lot of that that to benefit huffpost business and so by taking huffpost into the buzzfeed ecosystem and by applying all the things we've learned over the last few years to as we've diversified and growing business is going to help us make huffpost into a a profitable acquisition. Got it okay. So you're optimistic van that you can turn huffpost around the same way that buzzfeed has been able to achieve profitability The past couple years then You know i. I'm curious like where some of the first investments than that you're looking to make into huffpost You're a couple of licensing deals that you have going on at buzzfeed is. Is that an area that you're optimistic about as well. We're going to spend a lot of time talking to the team. They are getting a sense of how they do what they do. The different parts of their business. But it's clear that For example our affiliate commerce is one area where where buzzfeed has grown a lot in the last few years. And it's something that huffpost is just starting and so i think we celebrate accelerate that business considerably So that's one one area. I think that This do businesses potentially interesting. I mean a lot of cases. It's things that we're already doing at buzzfeed on the business side and now having another brand and having a bigger audience is going to is going to be you know a big opportunity for us. Also just having more distribution you know having we. We already had a lot of success. selling natives ad products video ads. display programmatic. We've seen growth in creator program. Swear our our talent is making media for for advertisers and brands. So all of that type of work we've done would naturally flow into the ad inventory and distribution on. Got it i guess. Do you have a time line at all in mind of when you're hoping to get huffington post huffpost profitable or is that kind of like a way and see once. The teams are fully integrated and whatnot. I think it'll be break. Even next year for the full year could even be profitable next year. And and certainly. There's a strong possibility of profitability in the back after next year. It'll take a little. It'll take a little while for the first. Six months of of integration will probably kosta some some revenue as were switching over to the front from the bryson media advertising stack and admin support and all of that and and adjusting. But i think once we once you've done that and we've completed the integration. We should see immediate results. Oh wow that's awesome. And i know you've said this before that this wasn't like the long connor like a long term goal of coming back and owning huffpost. You know fifteen late fifteen years later But i'm curious about how much of buzzfeed's model was i. Guess based on what you learned while building huffington post And you know what you did differently to buzzfeed Kind of helped differentiate the two in the beginning of things. One thing i learned over the years is that the way brands are built has really changed on the internet. It used to be that you would try to build a brand that everyone spire too and that would people would look up to the brand and say i wish i wish i could have that product and aspire to the two that elevated brand and on the internet. It's less about serving brands and more about the brand serving people it's flipped. And so you look at some of the greatest. Internet brands like amazon. They did very little traditional brand marketing early on and just focused on serving the customer and giving them faster shipping and giving them more packing more things into prime and over time that resulted in a really strong brand. But they weren't. They didn't have the traditional brand builder types. Who were trying to elevate the brand so when you look at buzzfeed and huffpost they both had. They both are the most iconic brands on the digital internet brands Buzzfeed huffpost hasty. All three of those brands were built the same way which is instead of asking people to be loyal to the brands. The brands were loyal to the people and we continually serve. Our audience looked at data. About what matter to our audience combined. Creativity with with a data analysis to to discontinue surprise and serve the people who were consuming reading engaging with buzzfeed with huffpost tasty. And if you look at brand metrics that ended up resulting in creating the strongest. you know internet media brands Even though we weren't taking this brand. I approach with like. What's this brand that we want everyone to follow and aspire to And so to me. That's that's one thread that goes through. You know these these Really four big brands. Buzzfeed news buzzfeed huffpost and tasty. They all have just been obsessed with the with the readers obsessed with the viewers obsessed with the audience and making sure that their what's most important and that we serve them and that that's really the north star for all four of those brands. Yeah absolutely I guess kind of going off of that. I know huff post has really strong Like seo position and they have a lot of Know good strategy when it comes to search buzzfeed definitely more rooted in like social in in that kind of amplification. there Is are you gonna be at all. I guess looking take strategy that huffington post or huffpost has with That seo side of things in in moving that over to the other three brands that are in the buzzfeed portfolio. So you know. In the early days huffpost was really a lot about search and social had matured a enough to actually build a brand or build a media property off of social. And that's also one of the reasons that we got a slow start. We were so focused on social but facebook and twitter. We're still small. And you know we had to wait till the social web matured before buzzfeed could really gets get scale and huffpost was had a big front page and a lot of search traffic and so huffpost gal got bigger earlier because it was it was playing in the spaces but today really post is great at social. They have huge social handles. They get a lot of traffic across in a facebook and twitter and other social platforms. So i don't think they're the companies. Are that different right now. In terms of of of of and social and by the way bus it's gotten better at at search as well in a lot of people search search buzzfeed and we even see a lot of people put the buzzfeed branded with searches because they want to get us buzzfeed in about a certain topic which to me is a much stronger signal than than search. Traffic just happens to find your site when people are actually putting your brand into google because they want your version of something. That's a great a great sign and we see a lot of that busby now. Yeah for sure That's awesome and i wanted to go back. You kind of highlighted these four core brands now buzzfeed buzzfeed news tasty in huffpost. And so i mean it seems like you have Identified these like really strong standings in the portfolio. And you also have a bunch of other verticals as well. There's bring me there's Cocoa butter and upcoming have your sex and love vertical. So you've created these very strong presences in these different topic areas i guess. Do you feel like the buzzfeed portfolio was ultimately satisfied. Now that you have this acquisition. Or i guess. Is there still room to grow from here. Well i definitely gordo strong position with these big pop brands that can be umbrella. Brands that really reach everyone on the internet and their babies few areas where we could add more but for those those kinds of brands. But but we're in a good position. In terms of broad pop brands that reach a wide audience but still have voice and still have means something and still stand for something. And that's that's hard to do and it takes a long time to build brands like that. Which is one of the reasons that you know. I'm excited about a post. Because you know. Fifteen years is a long time and that brand has been built over over a decade and it's hard to just build something like that overnight but i also think there's opportunity for more niche brands and the ones you just mentioned are are examples of buzzfeed and And good fall and you know there's a bunch of other smaller brands that really targeted niche audience. And i think there's opportunities to add more of those both by creating them you know we. We started a lot of a lot of these brands started ourselves we built. We didn't buy tasty. We bill tasty same with with cocoa butter or paralegal. Org good fall or nifty. So there's a lot. I think we can do to create and build new branson convert neat verticals Or or maybe not even niche in some cases but just focused on a particular Passion point or or identity group and then having these big umbrella brand allows us to promote an amplify the smaller brands and so one of the reasons that that advertisers would love to partner with us that they could do a deal with us and partner with a creator or a smaller brand but then the full benefit of the bus network. and soon they'll get full benefit of the huffpost network as well. So if you do a good partnership with us and about sort of healthy living you can also amplify that across the tasty you know network and so you're you're getting of the best boat. You're getting a brand that focuses on a on an area that you are passionate about and has a passionate audience and then also getting the benefit of our larger scale and distribution and so i think there maybe opportunity to both build and by smaller brands that that would naturally fit into our portfolio. That can be amplified by the of mega brands. That we have. Okay got it. So it's this mega brand and then smaller vertical brands versus like i guess when nifty ever be considered a mega-brand Within the buzzfeed portfolio. Or is that you know something that you like to keep in its own. I guess category underneath buzzfeed to again amplify it Like is there any opportunity for those brands to eventually grow up to the level of the mega brands. Or it's definitely possible. I would say that sometimes when people talk about building brands they think. Oh if you invest in a brand. You can build it into huge brand. Generally the things have become mega brands have to catch fire his very particular way. And it's very hard to do and it's not about someone who's an expert in branding or hiring agency and then making something into a mega brand You know so you know. We didn't initially plan for tasty to be. You know a mega brand. That it is now where you know. It's it's the majority of people know tasty and the favorability of tasty is so high people love tasty but it started as a small little niece brand and and it just caught fire and got bigger and bigger a bigger now has one hundred million likes on this main page on facebook and and tens of millions on other sub pages and is spread across the world. We have tasty japan. We have tasty and lots of other other markets and so tasty is at you. Know became a mega brand because the consumer loved it and the consumers engaged with it and it crossed different boundaries and people from different walks of life in different interests all started to gravitate towards it so when we saw that we expanded built a tasty out the tasty website now have every recipe shop bowl was walmart and the tasty app and so when we see that signal in that energy in the brand is really building. We connect we connected to a bunch of different areas now. There's a line of cookware. Because we we sense that real excitement from a broader group or broader audience other brands. They don't cross over like that they might. They might develop a really passionate loyal audience. That loved the brand. But it's for them. It's not for everyone else. And it doesn't cross over to become part of pop culture in the same way or part of mass culture in the same way so we try to. We try to build brands with a real strong awareness of the consumer and what matters to them and some brands get that escape velocity and become something that is just broadly. Relevant across a big swath of culture and other brands are really but ended up becoming more about loyalty and closeness of connection. And so we we try to manage them. Appropriately got it. Yeah that makes sense I guess going off of that and this is a question that a few people like my colleagues. And i have been talking about a little bit. But i guess within the lake mega brand scope buzzfeed news and huffpost. Have i guess a competitive set within them within those areas. I guess have you thought about at all possibly merging those to To create one core group or is like the huffpost brand on its own like enough to. I guessed keep standing out. Yeah is are merging those two on the horizon at all. I mean the way. I communicated this the team as i said i wanted. How post to be more huffpost and buzzfeed news to be more bus newsy. There's a huge need for trusted news brands. That are not behind pay walls. That can be can distribute quality information across all platforms. And i think huffpost and buzzfeed news are both iconic brands. That deserve to be standalone brands. And we will focus without postal be growth a host friend and not to try to merge it with with buzzfeed. We i think if they'd smashing them together into into some kind of merge news brand would weaken both of them and so some cases there may be competition for scoops or stories or things like that but the way that they serve their audiences is pretty different and will continue to evolve Buzzfeed news has been very very scooped driven over the years Huffpost has has a bigger front page has been away that a lot of people orient themselves in the world Reading the front of post is a way to say. You know what's going on what matters how does affect me. How does it affect my life. this sort of narrative flow of of what's happening in the world is has been you know bigger part of have posted the splashes of the front page things like that even even a lot of the individual articles have have have a little more of that point of view And also you know it's changed and evolved over time but but You know tough post has been more of a of a left-wing brand over the years and buzzfeed news has been more of a millennial brand over the news and there's obviously a lot of of Overlap in those two things. Because millennials tend to be more they vote democratic at a higher rate like that But they're not the same thing you know and the sort of millennial values that have animated buzzfeed buzzfeed news Are not perfect. Overlap with some of the more progressive values that have animated have post So anyway. I don't want to overstate any of this. Because part of you know we don't we don't We own huffpost yet. The deal is should close in a couple of weeks a few weeks. And we're looking for a new editor in chief and a new header way. I've always run. Things is to really empower the people who work for me to help define vision. So it's not you know the the vision for this is not going to be coming from me as much as it's going to be coming from the current team at huffing post plus the new editor chief wherever wherever they come from. Yeah absolutely so you had mentioned that there is this need for Or having options for digital news. That's not pay walled And i know that both Buzzfeed news and havington's post are huffpost. Has this support us. Contribution options And buzzfeed news as more so in the You know donate to us recurring somewhat. But it's usually just like a support. The journalism huffpost plus Offers some things like ad free experiences on the app in other discounts. Here and there. But i was curious. how are you thinking about reader revenue and how it fits into the revenue mix Going forward and i guess. Do you plan to keep the huffpost plus alive or maybe add onto what buzzfeed newses contribution model is at all. It's still too early to say. I think experiment we. We've been experimenting a little bit and membership models. But it's still. It's still really early. I think that at some point in the future. There's going to be interesting members models where instead of paying for content. You're paying for community connection in social interaction. And so there's already a lot of precedent for that with with things like dating apps and certain certain kinds of community apps where you're paying to meet other people or connect with other people instead of instead of paying for content and so there may be some interesting things there that would allow content to be freely available so the broadest possible public across all platforms. I think which is super important role brought role for the news media that has been really lacking where the low quality content is spreading for free and then other more high quality journalism is increasingly becoming locked behind pay walls and subscription models. and so. i think there's a big role for processing half post to reach diverse millennial gen z generation across all platforms without requiring people to log in. I mean when you see a article from buzzfeed news in your social feed or you see something from huffpost you know. I can click that read that. I'm not going to be told that. I've reached my limit on articles. And i think you can build a good business that way as well so you know. Are there other add ons or other ways of generating revenue where people potentially pay because they want a enhanced experience or they want to have more opportunity to connect with with our team or each other. I think there's something pretty pretty interesting there and so were experimenting with it. But it's still it's still early. I would treat it more as are indeed project than as a business got it. Yeah but i did want to get back into the advertising side of things You mentioned that there's The amplification of taking like nifty. And any kind of branded content or advertising and they're able to get amplified across the portfolio And i am curious about how you're picturing huffpost to kind of come into the mix with all of that and How that will impact the ad business because Buzzfeed historically native was like a really big part of the revenue model Sense it's diversified. So there's know more of the display kind of added in there And i i saw that. Direct sales had like double digit growth this year and Display ads the have also increased quite a bit But how complementary are the revenue breakdowns for huffington. Post or huffpost to buzzfeed And i guess is the sales team. They're focused on direct sold advertising as much as your team might be yeah. They haven't focused on direct because there have been part of rising media murray's media. Is you know this massive network that includes y'all oneal and so there's a lot of programmatic advertising and things like that. That's been more their focus and then bundled sales across across all of their their properties. I think a more brand driven direct pitch is going to be something that we'll be able to add for for posts should help that business. You know it's it's a small. Sorry if you hear dogs barking in the background for this is this is the The work from home experiment that we're all we're all doing. It's all just keep rolling with it. We're all used to it by now. It's totally fine. Yeah so. I think we'll be able to. You know to give huffpost a lot more attention. And we able to layer in some of the business lines that buzzfeed has has really started to perfect. That are not yet on part of part of a post okay so To that end like is the sales team For huffpost going to be kind of still dedicated then to huff post and focusing on selling that brand specifically versus I don't know maybe trying to do a centralized model that touches into each of the brands. Our strategy is to be decentralized for editorial so that every editorial brand could have a strong voice and can serve their audience and not Not necessarily worry about is consistent. With what other editorial brands within the company doing i think. That's that's really important. You don't want to have one set of editorial policies and editorial for every brand or else the brand start to lose their swagger and they're vital urgency so we want to make sure that that the huffpost edit team and huffpost brand is very independent and can push their own mission and their own agenda but on the business side. we want centralisation. We're doing a partnership with walmart or we're doing a partnership with another average. Cpg company we want them to get the full benefit of the audience that is on huffpost and on buzzfeed tasty and be able to do whatever makes sense for that advertiser to get the most the most value and so we've seen some of our insurance. Advertisers for example doing audience based advertising will want a older wealthier segment and huffpost out a lot in that in that capacity and so being able to extend what we're doing without a current advertiser onto a new property. That has different. Audience is something that should help us expand our business and benefit and benefit the post business unit. also post team only has three sales people. Yeah associate you know right now. So it's pretty small and so having having a more coordinated business approach. I think is going to help for sure. Yeah that makes that makes sense. And then yeah. I guess the last topic that i really wanted to hit was Like looking at the commerce operations buzzfeed has been doing a ton in that area. Recently recently covered The licensing deals that you did with like a sex toy company and then you're affiliate business has been booming as well I guess on that end of things like do you see and i think you mentioned this a little bit but if you could talk more about like the opportunities and commerce around huffpost and I think right now. They have a pretty large Affiliate offering as well As poking around their site and they have that lake Shopping tab but You know do you see any opportunities for licensing there Whether that's like product lacing licensing or You know other other areas as well. Yeah i mean. I think there's a lot of opportunities. I think there's licensing affiliate. I think we'll be a big opportunity because their audience is really engaged and and there's a big segment of their audiences is affluent and has more spending power so that i think will will open up new types of licensing and product partnerships that may be higher ticket items are higher priced items And overall i think there's just a lot of opportunity. The biggest thing is going to be. How do we prioritize all in all of these opportunities you know so the. There's a bunch of innovative things we wanna do. That will probably be six months six months nine months from now before we get started on them. Because we i have to do all the stuff you know do all the all the basic stuff and get our get our tech and you know saying than getting the teams aligned and getting figuring out all the all the ways that we Know all all gotta do i as some of the basic stuff and and then i think there'll be a lot of interesting opportunities after that to invent new products or new ways of new products. New deals things like that. Yeah got it. And sorry. I did think of one other question My former colleague. Laura o'reilly who's now over at business insider She posted a story today about Staffers concerns about layoffs. Naturally i feel like with any kind of merger acquisition anything like that. There's going to be that concern At this time do you foresee having to do any amount of layoffs for any duplications on my occur especially the centralized kinds of business roles. Or are you hoping at this point to kind of hang onto everyone if you can. Also the way the way that bus got the profitability. Was you know. A combination of more financial rigour and discipline in managing our costs more carefully with Growing our revenue and particularly growing new revenue lines and finding new ways that that we could take this audience. We have this massive super engaged audience and say. Oh you're viewing ads. But maybe you want to actually buy a product or extending into licensing as you've written about and as we were talking about earlier or if we make show using our network to promote that show using ip from from our from our network to to figure out how to cast movie or put up you know or pick a topic to to address in a documentary. You know there's all of the all these these ways that we've expanded our business and so we want to take that same approach with huffington post and saying it's going to be a combination of of having financial rigor with new business lines new revenue opportunities and upside and of course the preference and the best way to to get to profitability is growing revenue and finding new revenue lines. That's always what we look at first and we always take the approach of of trying to save as many jobs and protect jobs as as as much as we possibly can with huffington post. We don't own the business yet. It's closing in a few weeks. We have to talk to a lot of people that we weren't able to talk to when we were when we were contemplating the deal. We have to understand their business where the different drivers are on their business and figure out. How do we do whatever we can to make business a successful and sustainable as possible for the long term. How do we run the business with a lot. More attention and focus than say verizon was able to do it as part of this you know. It was a subsidiary subsidiary of city area. So we can. We can give it a lot more attention a lot more focus and justify doing that. And so that's the that's the next up is to really really get in there and try to understand what's the right way for this business to be successful and thrive in the future And so i certainly would not promised that we would never have you know staff reductions or or things like that Because in this industry is sometimes a reality that that is what it takes to get a business to profitability sustainability on the other hand. I always have a strong preference for finding ways to grow revenue finding new revenue lines focusing on innovation. And and i think there's a lot of upside in huffpost business that that will be able to unlock absolutely. I think that's more than fair. Well that's it for my questions. Thanks again jonah. This is really great. thank you. we're gonna take a quick break here from our sponsor and then my co host. Tim peterson will be onto interview verizon media group. Ceo guru ghorban so stay with us as more and more big tech companies vying to collect your data. 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Today i'm talking with guru guru pon ceo verizon group which owns yahoo will tech crunch and gadget a collection of ad tech tools and the huffington post though not for much longer. We're recording this. On friday november twentieth. After resin media announced that is selling the huffington post to buzzfeed and taking an investment stake in buzzfeed. So lots to talk about. let's get started welcome guru. Thanks for taking the time to talk to us. Hey tim thanks for having me here. So obviously yesterday was a big announcement. Buzzfeed jonah of preti said on the recode media podcast. Yesterday that he had asked for as in media over a year ago if huffpost was for sale and was told no. So what changed. So you know he he. He's right about that. And you know jordan of of would save become friends. Now we've been. We've been talking for a while. I know the change. I would say comes back to both us me and john. I think what is in media and buzzfeed very long-term purpose and mission to and company and one of the things you think about verizon media our core mission is to connect people their passions and part of that strategy is to have trusted content and creative ecosystem of content essentially. And when you think of am then the pillars. That i've talked about many many times has been around trusted. Content connections and transactions which is mainly commerce when look for joan is built and building the buzzfeed ecosystem the way that going deep into journalism and the content creation a lot of that really map to us pretty well and lot of the map. The brand level have post and for us. Our strategy as just laid out was logan. You know in terms of creating an ecosystem and while jonas ginga on what changes. I wanna make sure i. I mentioned this yesterday. Is today when i think about news and our content categories or all. We are growing well and they're investing in them. But i want to see there are certain brands that can grow you better and get that application. And that's where john. I actually in january at c. s. in wegas where we started talking about a broader partnership with buzzfeed. That was the original intention to start off post. You know Became part of the overall not team. Prompt strategy to him and thing that changes one is us being a having taken buzzfeed to is creating a broader strategic partnership where we can bring in you know the cross promote content across both our ecosystems the app platform intuition from our side commerce collaboration a and b our media on five g. bigger strategic partnership with the buzzfeed ecosystem and the third pillars opposed. Where we felt you know the strategy and mission that beulah laid off for huffpost airbus food is headed his so much together It just creates a much bigger ecosystem network change in outages always wall. And when you find the right teams and write alignment you try to do the right deal there. And that's what ended up happening in this case to with all of that. Then why sell the huffington post as opposed to by buzzfeed. Think look as a sad there. Is you know we are If you think about a game where is a media strategy which i just walked through tons of our mission. And you're going to see pillars. I talked about many times. What ends up happening. Is you have a brand like huffpost. Many think about it. You don't put all the energy behind it. You put some energy and what buzzfeed can do is really proteomics energy behind it. So that makes a big difference in the growth trajectory. I love phoned lead companies because you can create so much momentum and also joan. I was one of the co founders of huffpost so we would rather partake in the gold from outside and help them in water form. That's why we created the strategic partnership so the wavier participating is more like. Hey you should have independence. You should keep growing loose in any way farm and it's created because strategic partner where we are with you in the journey either we are taking your content putting our ecosystem or you were taking our continent putting in your ecosystem our units tack. Which is we are. One of the largest independent ads tech are partnered with commerce creating new experiences to a are so that is a much better long-term view rather than saying okay. Let's make it part of it because you know we have enough product. Right now focused on to drive gould within our ecosystem okay. So let's talk about those other components of the deal because as you said this isn't a straight sale. There's more of a relationship established here. There's contents indication component and an advertising arrangement. Let's start on the content syndication. Does that just mean buzzfeed articles and videos will appear on yahoo. Aol in gadget tech crunch and vice versa. Other very simple level. Yes when you think about content from buzzfeed tasty buzzfeed news in huffpost swell will be syndicated across our ecosystem in touch today. About nine hundred million monthly active users and vice versa wages buzzfeed also syndicate or content. Take the ecosystem tech cruncher. All the other brands have be have content across in science. Based on where the relevance and the one other sub part of that is all to you might in the next gen experiences which is a separate item but really tight to content distribution is partner on this. Aor formats where we will co create so of these exponential content leveraging our that is a va marceau platform and gave them access to get a small okay on the content syndication sites. How will browsing media group and the buzzfeed be making money from that contents indication so tight. That is the Two aspects of revenue right one is the advertising on model and the other is commerce so think about buzzfeed Putting its content in there in. You know it's almost like a of classic qualities. Apply dealer is apply. Partnership dealer publisher. Deal where we have a rev share on the ads that go on that particular page or whatever traffic. We send out the publisher and publish publish a relationship and then same on the commerce brunt Where v have you know. Buzzfeed does quite a bit of commerce. Been on the journey now for two years as well on condom commerce defeated commerce laundry were being also and are logged in nail Email ecosystem commerce as well. So there's going to be lavished in their commerces more. Take depending on. What kind of deals we have so we have share since it's a ruptured deal Essentially dan any traffic be sent to them in a what. Ads running off granada. There's a rupture belong. Got you control ad sales. When contents appearing on your properties they control it on. There's that's correct. And for their property. As i mentioned we are one of the largest independent ad stack full full omni channel ads. Tackle anything kabar. Dsp espn all the different formats cider connected tv. And all of that would actually also going to power some of the buzzfeed ads and arguing. Our scale and depth on the demand side that we bring to the government today. Our fox Apple if you think about several other publishers. We are the ones powering a lot of the ads them. So this is gonna be where we are also going to help buzzfeed ecosystem powering ads tech us. Wall okay yeah. I wanted to get into that. Because i imagine there's an ad tech components of the advertising arrangement. 'cause you'll even this may be outdated information but i'm pretty sure buzzfeed has been a google shop they've been on google s s p. So how does resins at tech. Now work into this deal with buzzfeed. Think at a high level think about at least the Indicating content those pieces. We are going to be powering. The ads those pages so it doesn't it doesn't have to go. And i don't have all the details on his to your buzzfeed's relationship with google and then also huffpost has an example right now. Vivid powering adds enough. We'll have those today part of our ecosystem that will continue and it goes into the buzzfeed ecosystem as well so lot of that or with it. And then when you think about our sales team on the demand side as an example will be also able to sell buzzfeed huffpost as part of any of the premium publisher kind of packaging as well so it will always offered in parallel right now And and we will be doing multiple passes well or we can start testing on more. Traffic will and see however we perform taking more but the cutting payments take on big system. Traffic of your syndicating. That's when we'll start powering including huffpost on them. Will bill from okay. Got it and in agency executive. It's spoke to. You mentioned that one of the things that huffpost had brought to the table for advertisers was presence data so like with this arrangement will razan status. Still be able to be used for ads that are sold on huffpost and the broader buzzfeed. No look i mean. I think we we follow very So think about two things. I think verizon data as one bucket america media date has the other bucket so when is a meter outrider within compliance and user consent. The media out of the data will be applying. You know when you think of our targeting way flav. Somebody's coming into buzzfeed as a consumer Huffpost page why. Don't we do on our ad side using data which doesn't include the but is in kannada. Cut us on a user level which we don't use today either. Use aggregate level eventing so on the horizon media side. If you think about the nine hundred million on the active that i can get data on our products to be have to first party. Data have ws for ad tech today. S while so battle chancellor or if you're doing any of the ad integration for buzzfeed or anything they're being targeting not the carriers out of it doesn't rule so demonizing media side that we do today will continue our still where bus will have the access like of first party being a good publisher partner with us as i said. We do that with a lot of other publishers as well so that leveraged inhabiting the garage media ecosystem. Why is it that the carrier data it doesn't transfer over 'cause it seemed like with telecom giants building up their ad tech stacks acquiring media companies. It seemed like the whole picture was the wireless customer data the media properties and then the ad tech in the middle. That fuse them all together. And you have something that can compete with google and facebook. Yeah look a we as verizon made of very very thoughtful and early call on the sooner. At least i know since i've been here two and a half years or so. Where burglary clear that. If you think about verizon's core pillars of be top level as we operate as a brand is trusted and part of the trust creation. The behalf with our consumers today is your data and what we do is we. We approached of utmost privacy on the carrier side so it's not about taking that a nodding ads. They're coming in for different expedients. Their subscription model their bank for it and there was an expectation. They have on privacy in what we do with that and most of that is not the add model. So that's a call be made up front saying that's not something we want to put an indoor ad tech and what. Bmg has this first party data so does a very conscious choice taught food choice for reset. You're not going to bring in your you know you're right. There's a lot of tears and talk. About how much did they can help in in all of that but be the good news for us because we have a strong first party if you think about the ecosystem the aol ecosystem. Lot of uses similar level of In a rich data think about you know as we think about matching retargeting again with users consent that's sufficient for us as we offered in this world and they're isan rightly so for us at the top level. We need to make sure we maintain our brand under the brand into the brand promise which is on trusted integration. So that's been declare is generally following has been working well for us. Okay i want to get back to the strategy for verizon media especially in light of this deal and especially like looking at the content side your content portfolio because you still have hail and yahoo but you also still have tech gadgets. Could you help me better. Understand like the distinction. You're making here and selling huffpost to buzzfeed but then keane tech crunch and gadget or are you planning to keep those two. Yeah look they are very core part of the ecosystem so when he started thinking about this. You almost wanna look at. Where do we have within our core system. where can the operate do have unique arts and unique content safe. I think about that karan's and in gadget as an example. That's where you need. We don't make any other property within the system doesn't create the same content we tested audience. We created that Decades is a great example. That on yahoo finance go hand in hand together in terms of the category of consumers Touchy you think about people looking for start up. And a lot of the technology news at the same time. People looking at stock and following the stock market companies. That kind of abroad segman. They're all fairly aligned. But it's two different. We don't overlap much. I think what he started thinking about our ecosystem. We focused on colored. Few big categories starting news sports financing of entertainment. And most of these things. That many have lifestyle. I would say kind of the bigger ones updates on the content condensate. All of this fits into that world huffpost also squarely fit into that world. I think for us when you think about buzzfeed and why this made sense The the idea was busted gets Again it's universally known brand with significant scale and audience complementary to it so many think about what buzzfeed brings to table. We have this model gives us an access to much bigger audience when you think about buzzfeed and be. Can we also have yahoo news as an example so one way to think about as we have uniqueness in our strategy and our content that view own and then we create on top of network of ecosystem partnership we have today partnership with new york times business insider how you name it right we all of these indicating karmic though are ecosystem so we think about. How can we create the best. Most doerr said of ecosystem in those key. Category condom categories. And where do we have uniqueness or where do strength today you wanna maintain back in terms of audience uniqueness and we can be multiplies. How does not of uniqueness tears but what buzzfeed gave cooperation to actually accelerate that unique s you and more and the good news here as we still have access to off stride still be content is still syndicated that bettendorf ecosystems who are not losing that i think what it does tink tink more from a framework of just help them grow faster and achieve that goal because buzzfeed huffpost have similar kind of growth trajectory vision we upload for broader we would rather operate as an ecosystem and some of the ones that we have. Today they're more unique to us because there is nothing else creating something like that. Okay so but i mean. There's yahoo news. That's pretty general. Interest finance relatively interest yahoo sports. I guess swear. I'm not being denser. Hopefully but i'm just not understanding. No so if you think about a game you take who uses an example yahoo news is you know we produce say ten percent of the content is ours. Ninety percent of consciousness syndicated When you think about finance and technology and that bucket take y'all fines check crunch and engaged in that bucket again. In aggregate produce actually less percent of conduct we actually syndicate a lot of content. That comes into us so in that world tech runs for us in many ways is more unique at feeds into it and we don't we can't find that kind of conduct anywhere else. Executor leader. That's one point. Second point is also on the premiums. So one of the things you've gone deeper into at least last eighteen months into subscription model premium. We lost yahoo finance premium. Which has been doing really really well. This year Be lol to launch tech contracts crunch which is a premium version of texas. While so a lot of that is. I gained frigging to our strategy. Moving into premium products and premium offering different category. That's why comparing huffpost with little bit. Apples oranges in a way and comparing huffpost buzzfeed. There is a much stronger alignment still get access to it. So i would say. Strategies are on aggregating and owning some niche content. And that's what you're looking at. When you think of our tech gadget that really enhances our subscription offerings. And where we can't have that scale in a way where we can partner to give you a bigger scale in this case buzzfeed at how posted ecosystem. We wanna go and do okay. Is there a part of that that you don't wanna be owning the content creation you'd rather be in the content syndication game. I think you have to look at us. As a sad were. Part of that is. We will never be in a position to create ninety percent of our content. Because if you think about yahoo other state. Yahoo is an example yahoo today on early on from when her you know twenty five years now Its core has been about allegation right. If you think about yahu owned some core content but a lot of it aggregation differentiation for us comes from what kong create. So that's where it's a mix of both so you will own a good amount of premium subscription. Let our high quality content. So that's going to be part of the strategy but a lot of big part of our strategy is also syndication are aggregation which we do as a set behalf from time to name it less feed and huffpost all's as a partner so i don't think it's one of the other The way i think is you need the breadth of content for sure and asserted meters. You wanna have debt. That's what so that's where by their own in those cases of ugandan de performance. You gotta with huffpost though also subscription business right. Yes we had we. We tested it out. I would say late last year Most of the subscription there with ended up being you have a free subscriber. You're pretty much logging in talking about what you like and you know. Becoming a follower paid model was not really promoted a lot within that because there's no conduct differentiation been paid The only difference was you are a member of a more deeper exclusive club. And he gave you more parks rather than more exclusive content even think about our other subscription model where we've been focused on creating lot of premium content tech crunch extra conscious. Same way you think about Yahoo finance premium. Use your lot of content much deeper for retail investor. Why couldn't that be applied to huffington post. Though we never we never started. That journey huffpost strategy was not that at all for us to do that. In terms of going and building the audience base was not that either. The artist base in half boats were more about. Let's give access to all the condom. There is no differentiation. There was little yards target. If you look at buzzfeed is also similar When you think about it that's part of the reason is narrow applied to it. Okay i guess on part. I'm not understanding stand up. The subscription business doesn't work off the bat why not make a attempts to adjust it or was it. By that time you had the meeting with jonet already looking to offload huffpost doesn't make sense to invest in it. No i again again. I think meeting meeting joinaaa was lottery. Interest bus speed and we could do together with buzzfeed in that was evil intent hunting huffpost kinda made it even bigger if you will What i would say. Yoda understand migrating into a subscription model. Anything about a consumer journey. Those are not easy journeys There are certain categories which are easy to easier. I wouldn't say he's he's easy. But when we talk about yahoo finance and the finance premium that is enough utilities that he can think about him in of deep content that he can think about that. Automatic air consumers already wanted and we saw that when we talk to them and when we do user studies and manure testing few things we saw that natural journey when you take news a product you either. The extreme end of you have to think about new york times or in a wall street journal. Some of that bucket away on the business side and going that deep which we are. Not if you think about us more in that more broad-market market news and for us. We tested it and to go more deeper in that when you start thinking about that. That's a much more a bigger for us. Our right and we said okay. We want to create a membership within half falls. But that's going to be more about you. Having that brian affinity creating the natural huffpost less abbad konkan differentiation For you by want. Every member doesn't matter your free or paid have access to the same content and that has been always the core strategy in on huffpost which is democrat ising conduct. Make sure everybody has access to it so we were not going to that strategy. Big way rather find scale in this case what we find is to buzzfeed because their strategy buzzfeed strategists. Similar thing. okay. You can keep growing this. Make it from two extra acts. We still have access to. So that's why it is a little bit different. Depends on category. What he can do on tech crunch in what he can out finance slightly different than what you can do on. Apple's has got it huffington post wasn't profitable. Why was it so hard to bake a profit to turn a profit with huffington post pain. I'm not gonna comment on the financial seeming of you've never disclosed zone huffpost or yahoo finance anywhere to go to be very honest right. I would say the biggest thing. Let's go back two and a half years and i'm gonna talk at an aggregate level Because via as i said we don't disclose anything hotpots by itself or any other brand la de betak crunch me of that one of the things that the media business or all was media business really being dependent on the add model. And then if you didn't have scale it's hard to garner the yield that you can think about scannon quality of audience than you think about the yield. It's always hot right. You need to have a minimum amount of team as think about creating quality content or syndicating and maintaining a property right. There's minimum you can't do it a sudden level below otherwise you're not going to have good quality audience in that model one is companies had the wall in terms of business model. That's why for us. These two and a half years back. We started on the journey saying we'll Content which is our top of the funnel and what consumers comp was forced to engage with us and get inspired a lot of this content. And then we wanna could come in communities or connections in some of these key eagles. How post was one of them. Right tech crunch yahoo finance yahoo mail young sports anything go. Fantasy wanted to clear that brand affinity end connections are people can create their kind of small group led people playing fantasy football or any of that and then you have loosened that that was going through transactions. So if you come in. You're reading a lifestyle article or travel article and then the next evolution of that is okay. I want to go buy a packet summer or reading a particular Either an address from something on celebrities wearing outweigh tons act. And by that. Or i'm in yahoo. Mail allow grocery shopping. Grocery shop with them walmart so really converting that inspiration transaction so part of it is you're moving from nar distant ad model you're moving into also transaction which is commerce and then the other solution is going into much deeper premium condoms subscription. So for us. How do you convert a company in the profitable model for us as be took pap which we need to Go into new. Growth factors charges being ads have subscriptions and have commerce engines action. That's what you've done size at ecosystem you've done well. In view data tell you categories that out mention huffpost in news and all the same categories where be publicly disclosed like as an example. You take a single. You've grown like our news. Category by five percent on your this is during co that now the revenue rights so that talks to a category. What is done well. And i think that's been our focus again as i said i will tell you. Have posed by itself is But at an aggregate level we are seeing that growth and momentum because we have gone invested in you. Go to the actors a hassle strategy for media compensated. I think when. I think about huffpost and buzzfeed. Now they also have similar strategy bit more deep on the news awarded and also younger younger demo. Anything about buzzfeed in the target audience. They have which is great. We love that. That's a gap. We have us. And i think buzzfeed bring staff to our table. Think about content syndication and what we can do that as raw Does commerce strategy workflow for a news publication. If you have it comes down to how you're part of experience right because if you are coming in all of this comes to water business user experience at personalization. If i am reading an article as i mentioned in let me i am reading. Something about bali and people are traveling today or codification something you know whatever you in two percent of users who are reading the next thing they're doing is going on searching about the destination or going into one of the travel sites and buying a ticket but guess what happened ten days window. You actually created inspiration now. In many ways i can create a deeply integrated. Click model that i can help. You can work that right there. It works to be down knob. You've done zero to one that you've seen quite a bit of our commerce do really well as relevant. We started about two years back It works it really works the content. But i think the keys comes back to how best opening experience you knew. If it's clunky where people are click through ten different ways and go to multiple sites. You know you lose. The user at some point appeared so much friction and that but if you implement from a product standpoint and take care of their experience yes it does work. why couldn't at work with huffpost with huffpost. We actually with policy. Did i mean we actually huffpost. Was you know we started enough e commerce. A bit actually was one of the leading brands. Which is doing that You know yet been scaled level yet. Because you know we had just started a huffpost if you think about. One of the biggest categories for huffpost is their lifestyle catty. How does did quite a bit of work on parenting and think about how us you mental health. Lot of the vented dewitt's there is quite a bit of a as i think about it. There's a new in a first time mom our first time parents in a how do you. What do you need to buy for your baby. As an example there's lots of deep integration of commerce. You've done that again. You've done morrison an affiliate model which does have communist there. So i wouldn't say did work. I think buzzfeed is done a great job in that category if you think about what. june is. Done homage commerce a big element of their revenue. Right now. that's also what excites me. That huffpost will be much faster track of doing that which we were not able to do yet in terms of scale got it. But now you'll be able to do together with those help us as well. right you can scale. We can leverage or junan demore building swelled for us too. Because we've been much slower on that our side does this crater risks. Though that at some point jonas say okay thanks. You helped us get two point vote. We're going to move on and work with someone else or take this. We'll take it from here. That's the that's the good news. Is you know owning a stake. In buzzfeed ride that gives you being shareholder. I think it creates that much deeper relationship. It was purely commercial only. Then you can always say there is a risk in our buddy you and commercial. What we've done is the multi year partnership so And both of us have debates touch women if he worked together and be to scam each other. If you don't if you don't that so i think we've got enough structure in place to enable us to grow and win and look about this. Altered comes down to relationship and in a partnership that you're creating. That's why i think relationship with john is important or been chatting since january many and at least you seriously about what we do with buzzfeed. That's only gotten stronger. And that's why getting more excited. You know going a working with the founder lead company with. They're going to put everything they can to make sure the successful in same for us the baby so so i think i think icy less less to you know really minimal risk on that. There's always a risk and seeing jordan team on the other side. I'm you and more Confident than proud of what we've struck together. How much of the stick does will is a media heaven buzzfeed. We didn't disclose that not disclosing that but but yes we do have state with that so you have a stake in them which means for you to get something out of that. There needs to be some sort of exit for buzzfeed. What's your vision for a timeline. And when you get a return on your investment again. I think i'll come back to what i started. The started our chadwick which is long-term. You right we reading nod. Yes when you have a stake in it you always think about what value creation will do if you think about rise as an ecosystem way. Take stake in more strategically right. it's less about. Can i in our less avar. it's not about. Can i make ten x money. Because i put today this much dollar. I wanna make more tomorrow. It's more about. Can i grow our ecosystem to our strategies aligned. Do we have a joint vision. And if that if you know hey it's gonna take whatever two years five years. What are the timeframes. That should drive the so. We have not to be very honest. And we've not sat there and said we want to see a return next year now I think what i've till june is. Now it's your time to take this grow and we wanna make sure we are indicating and we're working with you on attitude working with commerce growing our ecosystem bathtub. You measure success. I think if you had to talk again in a year or mets eighteen months. I think the way we should be measuring success as have we both grown sons. Our business engagement the beyond revenue level. What are we doing. Transactions huffpost done in that world has grown classroom. That's all be cut. Speaking of the revenue resumes revenue dropped by seven percent and the most recent corner but that was an improvement over the prior quarter at verizon. Cfo at ellis said that ad revenue actually grew in the court. That's what spurred the lot of that. Is you know the few things one there are if you think about the ad categories for us. Now i'll talk about two sides have declined on the supply side are the key categories that have been doing well to news and finance for us been doing really well as county resort owned and operated on mail as well to a certain extent. Un people have been spending more time online digital growth has been going well the second on the demand side because you also have a big third party business As said you've signed up many new partners and now buzzfeed has also a new partner in that world but the big thing we did on the ad stack on our demand side platform. We went a lot of you in order to format so think about what. We're doing with connected. Tv dish lot of home though. There's a lot of home is now lower than there but it will be going eventually when cohen normalcy returns. So we've been investing in that with future minds but connected. Tv being a great example off the focus you had as well and detroit element to that. A lot of new categories that you focused on take gaming as an example. Entertainment has done pretty well. So that's been going fairly well at least on the site of course travel and some of the retail took ahead early on. They've started coming back up not travel not to that level but he would say retail and commerce has come back fairly well for us to lot of those warden at the garden to it and for us to show a growth on the ad side. And i mean again ad. Revenue grew in the quarter but overall revenue dropped for resume. What we're the shortfalls. We've talked about a little coming back. To shortfall is also in many ways some of the categories when you think about travel travel is generally a big spender. We already had ads of use growing when you think about our forecast and what we were thinking about doing there but we should have had more in a wave traveling some of the key categories but doing well and there was an industry-wide nargess tasks so that impacted us so that's that's not of the tax code related so any segment that was impacted by cohen. That did take so. That's what impacted us and Advertising to believe like the biggest revenue stream right now for resin media. But you have this goal where i believe. It's in the next five years. You want to get to a point where advertising subscriptions and commerce transactions i is a account for equal revenue so like each third What's the current breakdown in what needs to happen to get to that goal of parody. Sure we don't. We don't disclose the segment level today when you think about commerce ads and subscription redo talk about ads the way i would say is we started. We're still early on the journey From the time of these be laid out the vision we've started heavily on subscriptions. You've seen that. We had us established Businessmen became into a while and then be rented the new subscription business think about Yahoo finance premium crunch extra crunch and many other things that we're doing on the subscription model. That's been scanning pretty well. They've all been growing and we're seeing good results there The other bucket onions action side is mainly what commerce so inbox. Commerce has been a big one content commerce content commerce has been the other big categories and then also transaction be entered sports betting Importantly twenty nineteen. you know. now you're in four states with our betting partner mgm. so that's another aspect of it. So what i would say is be focused. Big part of twenty nineteen also twenty twenty investing in these vectors across the urine within ads. Think about connected. Tv and some of the new formats new supply diva's unique for us in that something will investing and as you start thinking about the five year horizon is really getting there so the measure we have today what needs to be too is am my seeing zero to one on these subscription models be launched on the transaction morals relaunch launch. We are seeing today. Watergate's vape paseo one. A lot of these takes Is really continuing to scale that in many ways across our ecosystem and i think what buzzfeed does to be honest ecosystem on commerce. And what do you add formats. It's going to help us. Accelerate some of that too and our approach is going to be all of these two approaches. What is owned and operated or we do within our ecosystem and second is partnership. Because we've always been it's been that makes you always have this working across all media industries in something of a cost cutting phase. We've seen a lot of it at warnermedia. Nbc universal disney buzzfeed had cost this year as well unfortunately fries and has the school to cut you know. Ten billion dollars in cost by the end of next year and again residency. Afo matt ellis said. During last month's earnings call companies not stopping there. We'll get we'll get to the ten billion dollars and then we'll just keep on going. What cost seems like huffpost. You cut costs there. Are there more cost of rising. Media will need to make so look. Commodore matt said in detail. I know you know the teams we are. We have lots of plans ahead of lot. Hobby opt all operate One of the things. I would say think about horizon media in a you've seen had been done a lot of that upfront oats in twenty eighteen. Some maybe twenty nineteen kind of getting to the right level and we've got that right baseline you. The full story for us was mortar rounds. We want to go. The top line with someone. Like buzzfeed in the strategic partnership. That's more important for us in a grand scheme of things. Those are all Cost if you think about. It are a sizable organization on. Think about raisa media And derived new bring in sowed at this point is a great baseline. We've been very very careful about how we hire and how we manage our teams this year. So that discipline has been very important for us because you always do the wrong thing about hiring building big teams ready quickly and then guess what you're managing sometimes the wrong way so we've been very capital way in terms of scaling right no scaling business so we want to what we have today. We wanna be making short. Our top of the funnel lead abuser. Engagement are on the outside. That's going with the base behalf today so in many ways mad talks about this as well is more arounds be producing more in many ways with the teams. We have today. That means you have more partnership can grow. And that's why i keep bringing bus. As a context buzzfeed saddam league just having huffpost within our ecosystem. Suddenly we increased that multiply by buzzfeed because of the partnership. We have right that yes do. We have invested partnership yes for sure went on our side on the product side or on the ads or content of that. But the scale we're gonna see is multiple accident. What would have seen with. Just you know one entity so so i would say it's more about how do we now focus on immigration. How do you focus with the people on girled and which is what you started seeing what he not s well good like oxygen showing some of the key categories like finance abuse. Or have you done this reallocated what we have people to focus on balloons okay. I think that's a good place to any girth much for taking some really enjoyed speaking with you. Thank you so much and thank you. Everyone for tuning in hope. You have a great and safe thanksgiving and we'll talk to y'all soon take a.

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Herstory 365

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Herstory 365

"Hey everyone I'm Kendra and this is Ashley and we are real todd over reasoning. Welcome to episode number four. So how you doing girl. Tell me a little bit. What's going on with you? What we're GONNA people healthy. Yes okay die in the corona virus at this very moment is ravaging the world's ravaging not literally but it's truly taking over though like literally thank you for that and I will take thank you. Everyone and I feel like theories. Sense of. There's a scare going on. Everybody geared an interest in buying up everything stores have no paper products. There's no damn wipes. I gave my groceries delivered and the lady literally was like sorry they are out of toilet paper and I said well anyone papers find and she said no honey. They're out of their nine. There's nothing so I had her by me. Five rounds of paper towel. Whatever works got Napkins in the worst comes to west. I didn't stack on my Dunkin. Donuts Burger King. Mcdonald's Napkins you gotTa Wipe Your Ass. At least I have baby wipes. Oh yes I have to. I have a plethora of those. Why didn't you ask for those? I wasn't thinking I definitely mom you. Where were you? I know it was? It was not there. The mom and me was thinking about my. Td's Yes oh about those. I've just recently got some very good news that I'm dating is getting new titties. Y'All and so you know in a few episodes you're GONNA get to meet the girls and we're going to have a little teddy release party onto fuck. Am I GONNA do? What really excited about that? Honey I love yours there. Her muscle words bras her. I love her pictorial. But I thank you. I'm super excited about them. I cannot wait to release them to the world. I can't wait to go to your city. Release Party Way to release my titties. That's why I'm having a party for them. Yeah I'm having a whole Party we're doing we're doing. All of it are very very exciting news and so today for episode four. We are actually culminating women's history month soon and so we wanted to talk about her story today and we really WanNa talk about all of the women who are historic. WanNa talk about our own historic moments about the women in our family and we want to talk about. It'd be woman me so we're really excited about taking away okay. She was getting a little carried away there. And so because today the celebratory moment we are going to be having Sean Pon. Yes what is called that Japan Ni Sipping Japan? Whatever you we and this is celebratory drink. Tell us about it absolutely so a lot of people don't know that champagne is actually wine. It's a it's a type of wine. The oldest thing. What's the difference between wine and Champagne? Is that champagne comes from the champagne region of France and obviously it is made. Thank you very. Well it's also made in a specific way but we're not going to talk about that because that's all very detailed and here in the. Us We use champagne to basically describe any type of sparkling wine but in some countries in Europe. It's actually illegal to call anything champagne. That doesn't come from the Champagne region of France. Like it's only one kind of one place that champagne can come from? What is it so it's illegal lake? I yeah because it's false advertising. You can't call it champagne of champagne and so we brought Paul some real bubbly from actual champagne France because we love you and so this is the jv champagne and because we're celebrating women's history month. This champagne is actually made by a woman. Winemaker and so- Natalie is a six generation winemaker and she is the first person in her family to be the head winemaker for their company. That's huge so we're we're celebrating. Women's history month were drinking historic Champagne. And we brought you some real bubbly so champagnes a little sweet and so the cheeses pair really well with it are kind of like the blue me smelly cheeses kind of like a. Brie and the cheese that we have here today is from is the Deif honest. Because I'm not French so I'm not even from this country so bear with me but this right here is like it's like Brie. But it's like breeze ratchet cousin okay you know what I'm saying. It's like. It's like breeze ratchet cousin it's like it's like if I was. Kate Middleton this cheese would be Megan markle. Okay I'm saying it's like it's like smooth but a little rustic that'll flavor to. I should be prepared for this. I feel about my stinky cheese. Exactly and so. It's not like a little thing and then we also have a smoke. Gouda that pairs really well with it. And so this smoked. Gouda goes really well with Mommy flavors. So we're also going to have some per shoot. Oh I'm super excited about it. I cannot wait diving. It looks amazing. Go let's have our moment of true. I'M GONNA try. I'm dropping everything else that happened now. Which was that one the SMOKE GOUDA? I appreciate this. I have no problem with them. Thought I wouldn't mazing it's strong. Yeah it's like. It's a real solid cheese. I like this. It's like a cheesy cheese like that cheesy cheese while cheers before because we cannot drink champagne without choosing to all the women out there celebrating month all year all year. You're gonNA notice that the name of episode is sixty five and the reason why we did in women's history month at the end of the month is because bitch we'd just start in okay literally so uncork your bottle. Pull up a chair and poorer glass because we get into it. We've got to get started. And so Ashley. Tell me a little bit about. What is your favorite part about being a woman grow? Honestly I feel like I have like a lot of different things about like a lot of different favorites about being a woman number wine. We birth babies. That's really your favorite thing going on procreating. Since I became a mother like I feel amazing. Yea didn't feel amazing. After but I feel amazing. I feel amazing. I'm like I can do shit like not everybody else can do. Yep so that is definitely one of the things I think I love most about being a woman and then my second probably is the element of surprise. I feel like women are made to seem inferior a lot of times so when we come out and we're kicking as a handed out. What is the hand? Now what and then I what it's like a saying. I don't know when we're doing that. Shit okay I take numbers names. Tell you when I'm doing that. Really do I feel amazing when I'm really accomplishing? What many things that you cannot do? It brings me a special sense of proved you wrong. And by many she means men. Ho who we've recently found out don't wipe their asses so you know there's any better. I didn't want to say it but she said it for me. I'll tell me what your favorite do you think you take anything that anybody anyways Miss Andry. He might've everything about being. A woman is our ability to be literally ten different things at one time. That's like my thing like women can literally be everything like you can be seven different people at one time. You can be like a college girl you can be like a you can be like a mom. Amelia can work at an office. You can literally do anywhere like especially particularly black women. Oh God like there's like a level of code switching that you have to learn to survive and so you know what I'm saying and to me this is how I feel about just like Oh you do this. And then they're like oh you also do then. Yes the book also do that. You have everything yes I really love our ability to kind of just like be seven different things. Yeah and still feel like we're being ourselves and like we're like acting like all of these people that are like that we're able to hold all of these multitudes. Yeah I really really loved that. That's really one of my favorite parts of being a woman and also like care care. Is I feel like the women. The Feminine Folks in our communities just are the people who take care of yolks and caretaker. Yes I'm a people pleaser and so I love that. It's one of my favorite favorite things to do. But you know that a lot of the conversation. We're talking about women's history. Is that when we talk about? Women's history people usually think about famous people. They do. They think that is what are the. What are the women who have achieved the most at the highest level based on what society like whatever somebody has painted at success and so? That's that's really hard for me because I'm always just like you know women's history month and it's like this woman scientists who did this and and what about you know. I feel like we are sort absolutely historic and I feel like everybody that is seen. As a notable woman in history started justice. We did China. Find their niche pave their way pave their way for others and how our historic absolutely and I was like everybody. I'm like girl if you're working at McDonald's everybody and you are getting up every day and you are going home and maybe you do some more stuff. And maybe even resting like everybody's on a path to being historic literally and when I think about black women in particular I'm just like surviving every day more now. I don't know how I make it through this. I don't know how I manage my time in literally at the end of the day. I'm like wow like you did it absolutely. You don't know how you did it. You know how to all those meetings all those calls. You made it to work on time. You drop your son off. You know what I mean but we accomplished so much and I feel like it's kind of expected of us and I think that we we deserve a lot more credit. Absolute are the things that we do. Because it's IT'S CRAZY. We couldn't even begin to explain some of our days from start to finish honestly You're doing twelve out. You're doing twelve hour days. It's crazy and then you have to like put everyone to sleep. And then that's when you get your quiet time to eight because you know that the day all over again you have to be all of these different people the next day so you are historic for black women who. I'm just like who we were. Who weren't supposed to survive? Oh where's opposes vibe? Where mentors arrive waking up every morning and living is historic. And you're doing your thing and I think that we should honor all of the regular historic women. Need to which I think Ashley and I are and so big deal actually can you? I want to know because I want to hear and and the People WanNa know. What are some of your historic accomplishments in your life? Honestly I feel like in it. It's sad to say but how'd you had known me from two thousand and six to two thousand and twelve? It was questionable. You weren't really sure I mean in in school and everything. I always did well but I I definitely was a troublemaker. A little bit You know and not a troublemaker. I just feel like I was just kind of always in some shit and I'm like Oh my God like I really never knew Like my path. I didn't really know what I was going to do. I always had a job you know. I always did something productive but I just didn't feel like I'd really like go on to do anything. Amazing so you know two thousand twelve probably was my wind down and I think that where I am now. Honestly is something to be noted. Because I'm a mom I'm a woman you know. What an amazing amazing careered do. I WANNA stay in it. I don't know but I feel like I have something about myself. I respect myself. I have integrity about myself and Years ago like I said during that questionable time period. I didn't really know you know I was just Kinda just it was just happening. And it's always funny about the questionable period. Because you know other I feel like other people are allowed to have that moment right right reckless year. They're allowed to have those moments grow up and it's just seen as like regular yes kids growing up totally but black women. Don't get that you don't know your age then you're automatically assuming that amount to any. Yes yes me fighting and clubs during that year you weren't entirely sure. Oh yes is it was bad but I'm very glad that I can and you know I've I've gotten accustomed to like mentoring younger women about their what they're going through what they're experiencing and how they're living and how they can honestly outgrow that stage to begin walking in their purpose and finding something because. I'm not ashamed about the things that I've done are the things that I've gone through. It's really shaped me honestly. Yeah so I'm glad about that but that that's a historical. That's an achievement achievement. I'm here like he's got the Ghetto Allen. Well I have. I have a similar story. Yes for the people who are watching me. My people who I've known my entire life they're gonNA they're they're probably listening to you and they're going to be like oh girl but you didn't even know what was going on so I also doing the most. When I was growing up I I got kicked out of school when I was in high school. Had to fight to get back into school and so I had kind of like a similar was on the street kind of like involved with the wrong crowd. I mean I was the wrong crowd fully on. That runs like whose parents didn't want them to hang out with me because I would bet influence and similar. I had that background where people didn't really know particularly my family was a little like What's going to happen? Where Yeah we're GONNA be way. Which is this GONNA go at? So I'm really different that everybody in my family in the sense that I'm first generation. I grew up in the Dominican Republic. I was born in the United States on the first family to be born in the United States and be an American citizen. My mom raised me in the Dominican. Republic siblings have a lot of different value. But to me I'm kind of just like fucked this place like I feel like they had a belief in the American dream or your by immigrants goes like this is not the jury it's all fake and so I'm very different than everybody my family so I know that probably they were just kind of like the hell is going on here but I later found out from grandmother before my grandmother passed away that she used to have to build my mom out of jail and I was like. Oh just not fall too far from the tree. Nobody was going to tell me that. Actually you know like I'm just like my mom. Oh I know I'm just like my mom was the biggest troublemaker. Everybody will tell you about her. I'm not even Bagley so there you know it was. It was treated like it was really out of the norm and it was kind of curious about which I was. GonNa go but for me. I think I I have grown a lot. Yeah since those times and one of my historic moments that I feel is really amazing that I'm an artist. I've been an artist since I was probably sixteen. I started doing art. And if you're in Boston and you ever go to the Jackson Square train station. There's two murals on the pillars. There and I was a part of the team of young people who we won't. We will have to show those photos we're gonNA take them And and so I basically have been an artist not trained classically trained but all but in practice and last year I created a product called the project ten part installation series and it was honoring ten black women the fortieth anniversary of the roxbury murders. We pretend black women who I read it. Well I saw you. Yeah my head. Yes and so my historic moment is that there is a magazine called the Boston Art Review. Shout out to the Boston Review also ran by rat ass women And they did like a six page is the only contemporary art magazine and the entire city and they did like a six page story on my art and on my installation. That is something to be noted a huge accomplishment. Absolutely we over here making history X. And for somebody who didn't consider themselves to be an artist right. I know I do that all the time. But we downplay ourselves in the worst ways. Because you can't do that you never know where you're gonNA come from tap into something you try you could excel at it absolutely can never shoot ourselves down before we get started and we tend to do that a lot especially women you know. You'll see men go out and start. Endeavor try all types is shipping goddamn. We're just GONNA try that. He's actually but women we are so let's think about it. Is this a smart thing to do? Are we going to be good at it to us? And I think that we've been we've been raised. Be More careful where saying thoughtful and men are raised to take more risks? They'd say why. Why did he take more is why because they always have a woman behind them? There's a safety net. There's always a senior the mom this is family. There's always fifty net from. Yeah so we don't have one. I have a safety net one. We personally have a sixty nine. My husband Oh man. Well that's good. As long as I mean we have our family. We have our at the end of the day. We always put more thought. Of course I think generally I think that I am very blessed and my husband has only my husband and I have only been married for five years and so I've only had for the last five years of my life and I'm thirty and before that you're just doing it. He was just doing it figuring it on your own getting done. It is and so I think that you know how do we? I'm I'm like curious about. How do you really support women and taking more risk and being like bitch? Don't know what they're doing. I don't care if you don't think that you can do. X Y and Z. Do Anyway try anyway. Learn like a modern. He'll learn and try and do it again. Because ultimately is like if you're on your path to make a history says yes failure and you know what there's no blueprint for that when you finally learn your lane and you decide to travel in this leaning you decide that you're going to shoot for the stars then if you're doing something that no one has ever done before. How are you supposed to mirror success? Absolutely you created for yourself so we don't have. Oh this is what I'm supposed to do. It's not there's no rulebook to happen to any of this shit because the stuff that people tell us that we're supposed to be doing who the fuck wants to do that? Like no one. Who wants to like? It's like who wants to grow. I mean some people do I suppose and I also feel like. There's a part of like if people provided more possibilities. Yes and what you could do with your life but a lot less people would do a graduate. High School go to college get initiative on a day right like get up refreshing that like crazy money like a lot less. Pbs A lot. Less people would do that if we were presented with more possibilities for what we could do and I think as black women were often presented with we need more examples we need more examples and you know what I appreciate. our peers. I appreciate women who are like us that are looking to be those examples because with that being said you know we can save that girl. That's unsure just like we were that's getting into fights and getting kicked out of school and doesn't really know what she wants to do but she knows that she's special Is She knows that she has something. She hasn't figured it out yet absolutely so I think like you like you ask a huge thing that we can start doing is being examples for people major ship. That's period soaring other generations. Mentoring younger women getting more involved in actually giving a fuck. How am curious? And I'm sorry to interrupt but how has your experience been with finding women mentors and I had to pause and think about because you WanNa know what now don't bitch. I'm GonNa be honest now that I am older. Okay in right now. My groove is being an advocate for other black moms than in creating community for other black MOMS. My son's only two so obviously. I haven't been at it for too long but I think since I've started doing that. Blogging and talking about being a mom my experiences and being open about it more women have reached out to me so. I think there's there's a community for that but prior to that my experience wasn't good at all I didn't have These-these community of black women. You know saying you're GONNA it's GonNa work out you know you gotTA. I didn't have that I didn't have that at all. Yeah is really hard. I think the reason why I ask that is because on both ends for me. I have mentorship from the moment that I was sixteen years old and I have had mentors amazing five different mentor. That's amazing we're five different things that's amazing every single one of my mentors man. Oh Wow right. Every single one of my mentors is everything and I love them and they're like Beautiful Matt. How's it that happened? Walk US through. Like not obviously. Yeah but how did that come to be like? How did you meet them? What happened so I mean this is the story that I like to tell about my mentors that I chose each one of okay and so One of my mentors was a youth worker and the youth program that I was at and another mentor was doing trauma response work when I was doing trauma trauma. I was a a street worker for years and for people who don't know what a St worker is is A person who works with young people who are getting involved to do direct intervention and so I was a street worker for four years and I was doing trauma response work and I met this person and literally. He walked into the room and when he walked into the room. I was like that. That's my best for me and I was GONNA say. Was there a method behind your madness? Do you feel like you saw something in these men that you didn't see and these women because I'm curious because obviously we want to change that narrative we wanna be people who the younger women into a room. They say she's for me versus absolutely absolutely hundred percent and I think I don't think that it was versus women. I don't think that it was like I picked them instead on the woman but I will say that one of the things that I have found is because I've also have women who want me to mentor and I have not taken it on. Why so I'm like okay. So this is. This is my theory. My theory is that women take on so much. Oh but they do everything for everybody that there's not a lot of capacity to take on mentors or to be mentors because they're just doing a hundred hundred and I are literally talking to each other and we're just like oh my gosh like we're busy all the time. We'll be texting and it's like we just got out of a meeting. I girl I just seen your Texas like three hours later like literally that is life and it's not anything that's out of the norm and it's not anything that's out of the norm for people that are watching experience the same rush sense of like. I can't get anything done but I'm getting so much done of course kid like me. Yeah in those moments like I mentioned who was like a troublemaker. I had a stint where I was like homeless getting kicked out of school like I need. I needed mentorship but I also needed like support. Like a hands on support and so for women who are carrying everything and their families and their community. There is probably not the ability to do that. Level of work like how men have the open time and space to kind of like so. You're right. That is a good point. Obviously with those trying to be more available we need to maybe carve our time to better fit our goals absolutely. I think it's just like how do you. How do you make the time into space? And how are the? How are you letting go some of that before you let go some of that things that take up your time so you know I think a big takeaway from from all of this discussion is making time for what you WANNA do? And where you WanNa go absolutely because you need to be there to support the women who are on their path to being historic. Because then you don't. They're going to end up in the streets. Like how seriously reminds you usually learn how to be bad ass women from the women who are the closest absolutely which are usually the women in our family and so who are the women who is the woman the women in your family who have influenced you the most so I feel like Not I feel like I know. My my family is huge number one yet and a lot of My family is made up predominantly of women. My Grandmother First and foremost I tell her all the time she ruined us. Oh Shit I do. I tell my grandmother Lake not used men but she always had the mentality like. I don't need you and that's a that's a great way of thinking but I feel like it's kind of harden the woman of my family so my grandmother was a very strong women as you can tell. She went on to have six kids in five of them. Were girls and one of my mother was one of five girls so we definitely have a huge family made up of a lot of women a lot of strong. Maybe too strong women. They are very strong willed But my mom is awesome. She does a lot of nonprofit work in the HIV and AIDS community up so she advocates for them a lot. And it's shaped me. She's been doing it forever. Since I was younger like literally. My mom had condoms in the bathroom. Like when I was twelve and eleven and like listen man. You're forcing it. But I appreciate that about her. You know because she's just she's been about education from the beginning. She has those hard conversations. She makes them just easy to have some like wild. Like I WANNA be like that for people. I want people to be able to like open up and communicate with me and see me as somebody easy to talk to and confide in so she has been huge for me. I'm like I just WanNa live up to you and crowd. Yeah you're awesome. Yes me. Ooh Okay cheesy. I also picked my mom. 'cause I'm like them? This is yeah. You Really Love Your Job. You know that is A. That's a real feeling knowing really is Aaron is almost just like Oh shit am I going to be? I better be right. I'm just like when you're trying to live up to that of like like Ludi huge feet to choose. Yeah like I'm like Oh my God look like I'm thirty and I'm talking about my mom and I'm like it's GonNa be like this as talking about. That's a me like I think it's amazing. Don't you like being able to say someone and of course you know I. I don't think we saw them misstep. So that's why we're able to put them on such a pedestal. But of course they struggle just as we're struggling things but I feel like they have done it with so much grace and obviously. I don't know your mom but for you to pick her. Yeah no she didn't do it with grace. Okay okay okay. Great Way but I learned a lot of my Ratatouille. Yes I mean. Come on my mother was born in her public. I also come from a similar family of women. Yes my family my my my I great. Great Great Grandmother came to the Dominican Republic and basically like kept her last name when she was married And so all of the women in my family kept bless all this had sean started if we were married or whatever the kept their last name when when the kids though like me and my cousins we all got like our our. Dad Names but my the women in my family like best the name and they were buried like my mom dealer named to. What Is Everything. I I mean first of all. I don't care if that's the way it's a it's a little a little paternal to say like. Oh you're going to keep your dad's name. Yeah but I. I took my husband's name. Yes for for different reasons. His last name is very important to him because of his mother's lineage and her background and so it was really important. He's the only person that has his one of the only people who have MOM's last name. Yup and he wanted to make sure that it moved on and so it had sentimental value. So I said okay cool. We're GONNA take the last name but ultimately otherwise I was just like you know what is the matter you're under your came last night. I don't understand or no it doesn't it doesn't mean anything to me at least but I come from a family of women that were similarly like that just like you know our our last name his body this Yup and by this means walls in Spanish and so literally. The joke is like the women in my family is art as walls lake. They'd be like she has no walls. Heart is like just just we get the appropriate women. Yes kind of women's superstrong kind of women and so. My mom is like one of thirteen or something like that mad. I have met ONS magazines but she grew up in the Dominican Republic. She was born in the Dominican Republic and at an early age already told the story Bosch. And we'RE GOING TO JAIL. Beat people up in the neighborhood and my grandma was telling stories about how you have to go out for a quarter when she was going out to bail her out because I was neighborhood. So she you know. She decided that she wanted to come to the US And so she basically like just busted. Her ass worked her ass off cleaning people's houses washing dishes to do. You need to do to come here and so not even my dad like my mom went left my dad with the kids in the Dominican Republic which I feel is also part of the way my dad is is she left on her own and so in between the time that I was born or between the time that between the time that I was born in the mother mother had crossed the border three different times she got a boat from the Dominican Republic went up through South Central America and cross the Mexican border three different times. I do like she came back on coming back and then she left but our power honestly of a woman though hundred percent we get shit done and I don't even like say it like like we get shaped done widow without somebody get. If YOU'RE NOT IN MY corner no problem your father saying Yup and did what she needed to do like that is a big deal and just like trying to do everything here you are. You're in this country unfamiliar country you're undocumented and the reason why she went back to the first one was because my older brother was struggling with mental health. And she was like. Oh I'm leaving again Back again and then you know when she was legal. I thought about the outer border. No big deal. I didn't those moments. She was like a young woman. You know maybe my the last time that she came she was fifty five. Wow and my sister was getting married and she was living in the Dominican Republic and. She said that she was not going to miss her daughter's wedding and she did it all over again. At fifty five did the same exact thing came across. The Mexican border came into this country undocumented because she said it was going to miss my sister's wedding and so my mom is like you know like that's I feel like that's a part of my lineage. Right you cannot be about now. You gotta be about something. Exactly which is why I'm about magic and that's and that's I think like you said. Examples have examples unfortunately much to be able to look onto people that they look up to really hear their stories. Like you're telling your story is amazing. Yes you're like. Damn wow if Kendrick can do it. So can I one hundred per se the willpower as that? It's possible it's right. It's like you can't use your imagination. People aren't showing you know like I'm standing proof. Yeah it shouldn't be doing all this shit that I'm doing but I'm here. I had done absolutely all my gosh. Yup this is. This is one of the amazing things now. Having this conversation particularly are you said earlier. You were like you know. We maybe didn't see them like stumbled. Yes and I think that that is something that I saw. My mom do a lot right like when I was eleven. My oldest brother was murdered and my mother lost her shit like her own shit our shit like she was just. Kinda like everywhere. It's lot obsessed with finding the tumor to my brother which she did she him down from country to country might be another show book. We need a book. We need a book and found him and got him arrested and got him locked up again. She Too Young. She's like no. I'm getting it done for me. As I saw her stumbling we struggled a lot and I think that's also why I chose. That fueled the resilience. Yes no matter away when she got herself. -Absolutely San Crazy. That's how that's what I'm a fucking bad ass. I don't give a fuck and you know what you're saying you're talking about you talk about your grandmother used as a savage. That's exactly how my mom was crying over somebody or anything. Like don't talk to her about it because she doesn't care she'll tell you. I don't know what you crying about you like. Your heart is broken. You could be like my grandmother's she's like you got money in your bank account like that's all. My mother does not care about any anything she feels. Like if you have money if you have family and if you have a home then there is no reason. You should be heartbroken over anybody. And she's never said over shit girl. Listen I'm like that's the way to fucking be? I remember when listen one time the next door neighbor was mother and I remember my mother in our house being like that. Lady's not her husband he trying to get over here like legit. Like I'm GonNa take a man. He took the neighbor's. Oh Ma a whole. Oh my God we have to. We have to have another. We need a spin off show on her we need. We need to be homage to your mom. And I'm not even kidding around because I wanNA hear her lifestyle. I one hundred percents continued. And I'm not kidding. No absolutely to be continued. I do WanNa talk about who are because you know. I feel like we're historic women and the the historic woman in our lives who have made history and done fucking bad ass. You have the influence those who are some of the other bad ass black women that are either already historic are on their path to make history. That are really like influencing you and like really giving you life right. Yeah so I did not take any historical women to know you. WanNa know why because I said there are? There truly are so many women that I could name. I don't want to take away. There's not anybody that kind of fills me a little more than the other person. And that's the truth. I think I literally racked my brain like who could I talk about? And then my girl this list goes on and on. Lake Black Women. Women in general are really starting to pave the way in and they're starting to but we have to understand. They have been doing that absolutely. You know what I mean like. This isn't anything new. We're sitting here. We're talking about our grandmothers. Our great great great great grandma this shipping going. You know what I mean. I don't know why all of a sudden it's like a big ass deal. Maybe because of technology we have instagram. We have all these ways mortality Mars story but the story hasn't changed okay so as far as historical. I don't have any but I feel like currently there are many women that my peers wise. You know that I'm like wow like a are something I'm like. Oh my God I aspire to be like them but while they're doing it and I wanna be able to do it my own way like them so I again have said I'm big into the mom blogging right now. I feel like that is like my calling for whatever reason or another So I have been literally just in love with Shinichi Boswell. She is the founder of black. Moms blog So she created that platform for black women. And I think that's so important. We don't really have resources. Yeah period and we don't have resources to as mom you know like community amongst black women in who take pride in their parenting and that's not like a big deal that that's something new so I love her I absolutely love Nikki. Ac- Barrett I love Simona Noce right there. The founders of District Mother Hugh there in DC and they started something similar a community for Black Women. They give events all the time. Yeah bring the kids like all types of things. Autism Awareness Mom's giving they give things for MOMS to gather get the hell out the house and really enjoy themselves. It's kind of like the conversation that we were having about how. You're not supposed to raise your kids alone. I'm so jealous because I'm here and I see them and it's tons of them and they all got their kids and other people got their kids in other people. You know what what how so? I'm jealous and we have Sonya Ritchie. Ri- Richie Ross and she started Mommy nation and I'm thankful to be a part of that community and she's reached out to me to really pour into them and they've been pouring into me so those are a couple of my peers that I realized are starting but I know that you have history. I'd ever since I have okay. I have two people store figures already. That are already historic laughing at me because I mean I don't WanNa cough because they'll think corona thank you break. I will not playing around here. Okay so the Mitral people who are like my historic figures that I'm like I really felt similarly I was like how do you zoom in there are so many women who are just like thing but I was like okay? Who are the ones that I embody like when you think about when I think about women who have made his people who? I'm like me as I came up with two people every time in my gosh and Cardi B. Right you would think. Oh No. Don't write me I explain yourself because you would think you would think that Cardi B. Enrolls apart and Rosa Parks Harriet. Tubman are two different people. You would think get. Tell us more wearing no they are. They are different people. I'm kidding. They're definitely different people. But there's two reasons for that one. Poor Harry Harriet Tubman. Listen Harriet Tubman for me. Is You just turn of all? She's a Goddamn military woman hardcore but the thing about Harriet. Tubman that I really feel like I want to embody and what Harry has a historic woman. That has influenced me a lot. Is Her imagination. Harriet Tubman in the midst of slavery. Yes when everybody was heads down living in the treacherous conditions that they were living in. She imagined possibility. Yup and she imagined that there was a way out and there was a way to change the conditions that they were in right. You have to have like a level of hope and a level of vision and I love to be in the middle of those conditions. Everything and just imagine that. There's a different. There's a possibility for a different world. Harry Tubman me. Harriet Tubman. Okay no no. No Joe like for seriously because can you imagine like the perseverance behind that to want more. So just imagine something that. You can't possibly point to know that I'm going to get there. I don't know how and I'm taking people with taking people with me. Harriet Tubman me. That is going to be my new slogan. I'm not kidding around Harry Period Tag. Harriet Tubman me as one of the things. That's one of the things that I aspire to with. Our and with my work is that I want people to one. He'll from trauma so that they can start thinking about possibility. I feel like a lot of our own trauma and the thing that we experience in our lives stops us from imagining that different and better that a new worlds can look different than it is right now and so. I'm really because she has a rat's ass fuck imagination. Yaqoob nobody like. Oh we're in the middle of fucking spend stop average person. Actually I have a fucking. We're getting out and we. This is how we're going to do it. And it wasn't just that it wasn't just vision. It was implementation. Yeah she created a fucking plans. You made fucking happen and so for me. That's really what I WANNA in body and the reason why I said Cardi B. First of all I grew up here but I'm a bronx girl. Okay put an offer the Bronx that I love that bitch and there's some there's something for me about being authentic. There's all being being authentic and authenticity that I really enjoy and really been. I also see a lot of myself in her being a black Dominican woman and showing up unapologetically into in the world however imperfect right like however imperfectly border legally and so I really love her and I really value her because I have because of my background and because I'm in a lot of these places that are maybe like a little Buji or like just not creative for people like me. I'm constantly being like. Oh I have to code switch into this thing I see myself in card you. I'm just like that's who I am. I'm the hood girl and there's not necessarily space for us and Cardi was like bitch. You'RE GONNA make you may as you appreciate us. You're gonNA hear the girls you're GonNa talk to the around the girls and you're GonNa hear that we not only have things to say but that our experiences matter and so I just see a lot of myself in her. No one thing I was going to touch on with you is that I think a Lotta Times. People are quick to down because they don't feel like they can communicate theirselves effective manner in a manner. That's going to get hurt. Cardi FIRST OFF. You see you only hear her. She's a you're gonNA hear my voice play in and she's yelling already. She's like buys the ball Bernie Sanders that that is something to be noted like you said. It's no socialist queen. We don't matter how you're communicating but the point is to communicate and say that you have an opinion and you have a point and all of this like you know like. Oh you have to speak the. That's the point. Is You want respect right. And everybody wants her to communicate a certain way which what they're really saying is that they want. They want her to speak like white people. They don't want her to speak. Like how how people in the acting. Like a poor ratchet girl you need to act like a refined you know what I mean like. It's just like I don't ascribe to any of those things and so I know that's out there. No one no one. Should you say what you gotTa stay? Say People are either? GonNa understand or you're GONNA have to explain yourself a little bit and that's okay too. That is okay. Well you don't have to do that. There's authenticity so I think the imagination of authenticity for me are really the two big things in this opposite but you know what the explanation behind it perfect so when I was like fucking heavier. Terminent Cardi B. Harriet. Tubman is turning in her goddamn grave thinking about when she says that nauseous. Not because you know we're going to be might be party wildest dreams you know this and that's exactly how I feel and just like Harriet. Tubman was fighting for a world where people had freedom to be whoever they wanted to be an Cardi B. as living into that as disparate as people like to look at this. I'm just like Harry did what she did. And all of the women that came after Tubman did what they did. Yeah so that women have the freedom to just be whoever they want it to be without living under the thumb of the world's expectation point of freedom sly expire spires. Stand we stand. We've Harriet Ian Cardi B. Absolutely and so. I think that we've talked about a lot of women a lot of women who are doing like a lot of things and so my question and I want to end on this note is how can we support women who are on their path to becoming historic into to show up showing up like like you said you have had mentors. And they've been men you know and that hasn't been. It's just been by chance that does happen that way but that is the fact. I have not had many mentors now that I'm starting to advocate for myself. A little more and create my own community of women. I'm finally reaching out to people that know a little more than me but it's very important. I think to start getting involved with other women who are doing things similar to what you WANNA do or who might not be doing things similar. You don't know what anybody brings to the table. You know the point is reaching out some more women creating a community of women you know. I feel like I always say this. Everybody serves a purpose. We don't know what that purposes but reaching out and being willing to meet people and get together and gather how. You could have something in mind that you want to start. You might not know where to start with this person. Has this tool to be able to bring it here after this person has this too. I just I like fear needs to exit our minds. Everybody's so scared to start yes and to and to ask for. That's it asks for help. The worst thing somebody can say is no It's it's literally not a big deal. Absolutely no the Yes elsewhere. One door being closed is always another door opening elsewhere. One hundred percent. That's IT YEAH. I think for me what we need to start realizing. And my hope that how we can support women who are on their historic right now is that we need to start realizing that. Every woman and girl is on a path to becoming history everyone regardless of where they are. It doesn't matter. I was working at McDonnell girl. Who's doing nails are how every check? That's breeding your hair and even the PhD. Who has three or four degrees? All of these women across the spectrum are on a path to becoming historic and we need to support all of them. We Need I. I think you know we talk a lot about black excellence and we need to expand what black excellence looks like that. It's not just go in college and and be somebody because I feel like there's a lot of support for that. Yeah there's a lot of support from women were going to college and who are doing yup things professionally and traditionally but there's not a lot of support for the working woman. There's not a lot of support for the woman who was running the daycare. There's not a Lotta support. I mean and even less than not. There's not support bears ridicule. Oh absolutely the woman who's writing the nerve of them to be doing it to be that way right you house. How dare you go to Your W Donald Job yes? You didn't go to school for this. How dare you can be supportive of every woman? When they're on their path to being historic is being supported to every woman everyone and not just the ones that we deem to be successful. Because you and I talked about where we were we were. Can you imagine in? You know you imagine if we didn't believe in ourselves or other people didn't see something in us. Yeah not everybody. Has that support and like you said it's huge having family really ties into it but when people don't have family having mentors and having friends at the next best thing I think we need to start showing up the way people showed up for us one hundred percent. Yeah we gotta do it. I know we'll choose to us. I feel like we are amazing. We are historic. That's right changes the behind a weird girl. Her story three sixty five honey. Honey episode is actually starting the rest of the year so make sure they come in historic women. Thank you so much for watching. This was amazing. I this conversation when she really did. And as always keep it real by?

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